Um, so, um I like all that stuff but I my main emphasis is really language and and language as sound. What? They are what what language are they in? Id like to I would really like to work in Yiddish and I would really like to not know what it means. Um, Id like to work it would be a good challenge for me because Ive only worked only in uh, no I havent, I did some work in Greek. I did a big commission that was all in Greek. That was really fun. Hey, it wasnt Greek to me, no it was really fun and and uh, that was really closer but I went to India and I wanted to do a big piece in Sanskrit but India was no place to kind of focus and work. That was very difficult. Um, but I learned I learned a little bit of Yiddish growing up, um, and thats what we were taught we werent taught Hebrew we were taught Yiddish but I cant remember I can remember two words of it or something right yeah. And of course I mean. Visually, um, visually also Im interested in working with it. See, what I would like to do is get my hands on those books or, um, and and begin to construct um um um sound pieces by the way the words look. Now if the way the words look theyre probably gonna have if I can arrange things by the way they look theyre probably gonna have a sonic rhythm and sense to it as well. All the rhymes I work with if I didnt know the language I could look at the ends of the words on anything that that that they would all sort of sound the same and they would have some kind of a, uh, some kind a thing using that content. And I usually dont well I never ask what these things mean. At the Polish thing I never asked what it meant. To this day I dont know and everybody always wants to tell me and sometimes people do tell me and, you know, but I I mean with this it was so close with these kids and everybody was telling me what they were giving me. If you guys are doing sound, uh, that wont be a problem specific to me thatll be a problem specific to every artist you work with. Right, I mean this is not this very non traditional. Yeah. Good good. Yeah no. That would not interest me. Well, you know, whatever whatever would be say if I was to do something and you guys this, you know, would hand me a bunch of xeroxes of these books and somebody could have gone through them and taken out, you know, I dont care and. The recombination of words and this is what my whole work is based on is that there is a lack of intention and that meaning is constructed by the way by the way the number of syllables in a word and the way that the sounds ends. Thats why two phrases in my books live next to each other, not because I thought they had good meaning but because they were fallen in according to this system that I make. So now we may take something, you know, from that book it may be just a fragment, it may end up next to another fragment and then an unexpected meaning they may find offensive. But maybe that can be explained to them, um, in the beginning of, you know, of how of how the work was created. This book was like that its all, at the beginning, very short sounds based on, I think, air, ah, er, ear, or, these very related sounds. It goes into two syllables A to Z. Yeah. Oh, I dont know. Its some really kind of crazy reference book of sounds that I collected for three years that ended in. Well, I think you want, I think youd want to its it really really really sounds fun, you know, um, its A to Z and they and they grow the syllables everything begins to grow, um, here is three syllables and actually its indexed. Right. Right exactly, you know, uh, this is, uh, 4 syllables and it grows to 7 syllables and theyre just separated by separated by commas. This is how Ive been working for the last, you know, so so so something like Chestmen of America, chicks painted pink for Easter, Chestmen of America, thats 7, chicks painted pink for Easter, theres 7 and its c-h-e and then comes c-h-i. They were all, well, I mean there were things that I thought of, um, there are things people said to me. Theres things theres things Ive theres things that Ive read theres bits from T.V. and then later of course it gets much much longer. This is 15 syllables. And so truly Allah made you in the image of Heather Locklear and the of course I was only really interested in the ear and the truly thats fifteen syllables if you count that out and twenty years ago I crawled into a bottle of vodka, you know, so and it goes it goes, yeah, I dont know where I forget I forget and so now it gets on to 43 later they get on to they get on to 100. Um, finally things getting much longer and ending up I believe 2737 syllables, at which point the whole thing kind of breaks apart and gets really crazy. So, um, language is meaning is determined by other things other than meaning, you know, and theres always gonna be meaning there with language and so this is the kind of thing that Im continuing to work with. Um, actually its all I mean you can take that if you want. Excuse me. Hello. Hey Ken, how ya doin? Good, Im just in a meeting. Can I call you back? Uh, yeah I cant believe that. Im gonna be away the Tuesday May 14 and Tuesday May 21st? OK? Let me call you back I wanted to talk to you about the links page as well. Bye. Um, yeah this this this sort of tells the whole story I mean you can contact my gallery for a bio. Uh, no no, Bravin Post Lee yeah, theyre down on theyre down on Mercer St. Let me just see if my tapes running out. Yep. OK Ive yeah Ive Ive tried tried not to keep I dont I try not to keep these bio things around because my production is so scattered, um, its, you know, that this is, you know, this is something like this which, you know, ends up meaning as much to me as a, um, you know, a a show in the Jewish Museum, its all the sort of same to me so I let the gallery kind of kind of kinda keep up with that stuff but I think, you know, you should if you need information I theres theres just stacks and stacks of press over the years as well that they can that they can get you. No no no its its too Im, um, I havent tried for grants because I know how hard they are to get these days. Um, and also I do, I mean I work, you know, I do I build web web sites and yeah I work for and I work for, um, oh this is great its so cool sure sure. Um, yeah so, you know, I mean Im happy to, you know as a writer and a collector and sounds I dont need the time I used to need when I was a visual artist, you know, kind of sanding or cutting or or coloring, um, I can you know Im working right now just by talking and and listening. Yeah no it is and it gives it actually frees me up so I do I do I work for publishers and I build web sites as well. You guys wanna see? Theres a chair behind the dog you can just grab grab it. Did you guys say you want say youre interested in a web site? Because you might think about one? Uh, have guys hung on the net at all whos no yeah? no. Um, Granary Books they do artists books. Uh, that was something I I stole a, uh, something from the Merce Cunningham site yeah sure. Oh actually it should be... Um, this is a site I did for these guys, um, and were just local now were not were not live on line. Oh, wait a minute, why did that work that way? Excuse me, let me just change my preference here. Whats going on here? I did this for a job. Let me let me crack this other browser. Rearranging my preferences blah blah blah blah. This new one. OK, try this again. OK? So, um, actually you come into the site and you get this and then it comes up with his logo. And then youve got, um, a choice of all these different books that hes done, sort of on the side here. Uh, theyre just I just created icons, yeah. This is clickable. Just a little bit from this book and he he wanted to remain mysterious like you dont really know what it is. And then and then and then at the end you you find what you what youve looked at. Oh yeah, oh you are its really. And and these are these are just pages from books that hes done. Sure sure sure. Sure of course. This is a very visual site I mean this is he he wanted it this way. Its not a high information site, here is you click on that little t that was for text and heres heres all the hard information about everything and you can actually get to the books from here as well. Yeah yeah. This site came out really really well, um we also put up one one. Oh, I have a scanner yeah I scan everything, yeah. So here he put up an entire chapter of this Johanna Drucker book with with with footnotes which I love, you know. So yeah so this is you always always have the text. This is the mailto so you can just knock a composition right in, you know, and and send it right off to him. Um, and on and on. So, a more kind of conventional site would be... lets merce.html. I I took these quotes they were these really beautiful quotes on on the web everything is available and you can lift everything so I I just simply by holding down and saving this image as you can take anything so I got these quotes. Uh, yeah yeah yeah. Yeah, but no I mean its Netscape is is both platforms, uh, lets see OK another one is Sun & Moon, um, they are a very interesting press in Los Angeles. Yeah, Ive got see all those books the same size yeah yeah. I think I called it home html. Right and this was actually meant to be viewed a little bit smaller and this is much more sort of sort of hard information you know this may throw us onto the web. Is it live? No. No great, were not live. Um, I I have these links in here that are sometimes live links so this is his new titles and and you just would sort of click on. Mark. You know him? Really? Where does he live? Yeah. So thats really interesting, yeah. So heres one of Marks books, yeah, and I I actually created this cover Douglas. Isnt that isnt that funny. Douglas just sent me a picture of the woodcut I just sort of laid this in and were waiting this is a new release thats coming up on the web he claims for several novels. Isnt that funny, yeah? So you should you should tell him I built this site I built this site for Douglas and, you know, its a great press I mean I just I mean I adore kind of, you know, what Douglas has done, I just think its great. So I mean this is a really hard information. Now these I are live, uh, these are all live, so let me see I wonder if these if these are live no these are local, uh, you can look at his his different reviews from the books, um. No, what did you catch. Where do you study English. Huh, oh are you a writer? Uh, this is Douglas wanted these titles these selected titles and theyre so great. Lets see I wonder if theres I think theres another Mark on here? Nope. The Red Adam. I knew that was familiar and there it is. So, I design all the covers. Oh, I was just, where? Oh I was just Douglas sent me this text to put up. Yeah yeah yeah. No, thats good. No thats thats thats good. No I was I I get emailed the text and Douglas says Ive got to go through it and do that I just lay it in I do whatever he, you know, whatever he gives me. So at any rate, this is the kind of thing that Ive been that Ive kind of been building. And theres another one thats, uh, I think this is kind of kind of, uh. Dialing. Yeah, sure, Im sorry so. Oh its a cheap modem. Oh, its 129 dollar I I, you know, it work it does what it does, sure, it works really really well. So, OK, go on. Well, Im Im Id love to and I, you know, I think the technical thing is is essential too, you know, I kind of think think that, um, how to how to. Well, its true theres theres theres, you know, we can move move back here, um. Yeah, um, yeah I yeah no it all sounds interesting to me, um, you know I really love this place. No no really, I mean I told you that story on the phone I just walked by it with my wife we were in Chinatown oh man look at how good it looks and, you know, uh, yeah, its really yeah and any way that I could, uh, sure. Its all this all fam you know its family my my grandparents are from the Lower East Side, you know, this theres a lot of ghost around here. I mean we all moved out to the suburbs but my grandmother was born on 4th and D, you know, and now shes buried in Cypress Hills Cemetery right near Schneerson, which is just wild, yeah. Yeah, oh its oh its wi have you ever seen his his tomb out there? Its incredible. Um, its this big its this kind of big concrete thing and and its its yeah kind of like a mausoleum but its kind of open air and theres the big trough, this big concrete trough in front of where hes buried and there are all these people like praying and theyre scribbling like prayers on like little bits like scraps of paper like like like laundry like right like little laundry tickets theyre theyre theyre kind of put filling this trough up with prayers its really a big trough its really remarkable because its. Yeah, well I was Bar Mitzvahed at the, uh, wailing wall, yeah yeah. Its a great idea a great idea. Its meaningful because well its theres just to finish quickly what they have is they have is this guy that comes and we saw this happen and theres this sort of older guy and he collects everything and then theyve got this old, um, cast iron stove in the back with a huge with a huge pipe with a huge tall pipe, right? And it and it, you know, as if as if its a direct connection to heaven you like yeah well get it up there quick for you. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, Im sure maybe he got if from, I mean, this was after after she was buried and I was hanging out with my wife and my cousin and oh yeah lets go see Schneerson. And it was really I I, um, no I didnt didnt feel feel that I mean its a really its holy place and people were, you know, its very serious. Yeah it was just like in India, you know, you go to these different temples where these different, you know, saints have lived and and, you know, theres like really holy stuff and the guy evidently was I dont know that much about him but he was a he was some sort of a saint to somebody to someone right and you feel it around there and the great thing is that they these guys the Hassid have bought the house nearest to it and they run electricity to it from outside right out theyre right out he hes like buried here and then theres like like maybe about thirty feet and theres the wall or maybe more a hundred feet or something like that and then they bought the house adjacent to his tomb and you know he has like this huge busy street and theyve run things into his thing so you can go there at night and stuff and theres always somebody keeping an eye of the tomb I mean its very very spiritual experience. It was really really quite interesting. Makes sense. I didnt know that. I mean we could just surmise I mean nobody told us anything. Yeah, well maybe maybe sort of a mix could happen maybe a mix of sort of past and present language could happen. And then kind of like what Im also interested in doing is that doing some kind of a printout of the text, you know, that people can actually take with them. Im Im like, you know, addicted to making books and and, you know, the written thing is as important to me as, you know, the kind of sound thing that could happen as well. I have this font I think its called its its the one like that that makes Jewish it makes it look like Hebrew it looks like the Second Avenue Deli? Yeah yeah. I like the Jewish I love that one. I used it in a bunch of work that I a lot of these Jewish works that I show. Thats for you, yes, thats for you and, um, yeah yeah if you guys Im interested in in helping out in whatever way I can and also if you guys are interested in getting a site done Im available for that. Tell Mark. Uh, uh, it depends really how deep you want to go and and also, you know, how big how big you want to go I mean something can be very done very simple very quickly something could be done very very complicated and could take a long time. It really its not an easy question to. Which one? Yours? Well Im a Im a natural collect Im naturally a collector and a cate categorizer three three, you know, three years worth of collecting, so. But youll read about it. The article is all about this book and, you know, if you want Ill just do a print out for you, its fun. Its only 600 youre not going to read the whole thing its impossible to read I mean you cant read it start to finish. Alright, well, do be in touch. Do you have email, you personally? Well, I have I I maintain an AOL account. I I think I think theyre great. Why why dont you give me yours and Ill Ill oh you have it on there, OK. Well, Ill tell you also if you I can recommend a before you are set up in the office you should consider, um, you should sort of consider where youre going to housing your site. In other words, dont arbitrarily choose a provider because it could be it should be connected directly to that in terms of these things, you know, so you can give me a call or something, I dont know who are you gonna. Awful? So yeah keep keep that. And have and tell Mark, who I dont know and I have to his books are well one is one is there. These are all the books that were sent me. What was it The Red Adam and. I should keep this here because of the job but, um, you should tell tell him its interesting because Douglas says that the books that he sent me to put up first are like what he considers to be the most important books and these are? I dont know I dont know anything about them. Are they good?
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