Oh, that is really happening. Good. Corchrans only fifteen pages? They dont know. If somebody doesnt know the web they... Its what he didnt do. Uh, impotent. Who tried to, yeah. She was beautiful too. Somebody you dont know. Somebody out of the artworld. Whats Steve really famous for? I cant I can only think that he cant hes impotent. What else is he famous for. Oh, he crashed our wedding. I forgot about that. Asshole. Thats right. He came to our wedding, can you believe that? Oh my god. So you so theyve got fifteen pages up sorry. Just like weird pictures. No. Its amazingly busy. Yeah. Cool. Wow. So are they what are they using the people at Total New York to do to I took it to mean or. To make these to make these sites. The whole the everything. No, but all the projects that youre working on. Yeah yeah. Sounds like an enormous task. No I mean dont I mean cant you just see the caliber of peoples work by visiting the sites? I mean that I cant imagine a better a better thing. Just getting a list of URLs I mean its its... Huh, I wanna go. He says its the most crowded thing hes been to in 5 years. Who is that? Steven. Thats Steven! Ahhhhhh! So if it suck well just go, you know, I mean well just hang. Yeah I live right around the corner. I love it. I love it. I love it. Its great. What? Yeah. So Andrea, have you heard of what Claudia is up to? This is amazing. Have you heard of... no no Primary Group. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing though. Its kind of amazing. Yeah, we should. Where are we on? Yeah, it is. Its one over. So, have you been collecting URLs and people and... Hes not joking. Look at this crowd out in front. Email her. Why dont you just why dont you just go downstairs and. Andrea. She works. She will be. Theyre making her a space in the back. Oh, god. He wasnt kidding. This is good. This is like Woodstock, I mean. This is good. This is very good. I could have brought the dog. This is like Woodstock. I want the I want the brown acid. Brown acid. Andrea did you say this was a total pick up joint anyway? Ah ha ha shes got shes got. You guys must know everybody here. Claudia, you must know people here, do you? Cheryl, we we must know a thousand people here. Why dont we. The whole. Have you have you been in the Knitting Factory? Well, lets lets why dont we try to go lets try to squeeze in and see whats going on. I did. I did, yeah I think itd be fun look at these guys wearing a tag. It is it is a pick up thing, huh? See the way see the look he was giving you guys? Or maybe it was me. Yeah, maybe nobodys inside. Maybe its dead empty inside. Lets give it a shot. Cmon. Oh, OK. You guys wanna come back in a little while? Wanna get a drink and try to come back again? Who is that? Oh, I love her stuff. I know her stuff. OK, lets lets just try. Lets give it a try. I dont know her. This is not so bad. This is not so bad. Why dont we go inside? Lets see what else is going on? Maybe we can go downstairs. This isnt so bad. What do you think? What? Hot, but... Claudia, do you know anyone? Cheryl, do you know anyone? Well, what should we do? Theyre upstairs. Should we go back and find them? Yeah OK, yeah. I like this. Its not bad. Cheryl it was much more crowded when we came to see Yoko the other night. Yep. She was so good. She was great. Did you you didnt get to go, did you? Youre with Total but you didnt get to do it. Oh, arent we... You know anyone here? Thats you. That me. I mean Alfred Jarry but but this is my this is my company. Um, well I make web sites. Check it out. You already know. You already know, yeah. Put your money where your mouth is. This guys hogging the scene. Who are these people? Its occupied. Is this your card... Hi Alex, you wanna come have a drink with us? Around uh uh uh at Teddys around the corner. Were gonna... see you around. OK, were going were going to Teddys. Come to Teddys with us. Ay. Everybodys so white. Its really if this is a portrait of. It aint it aint a multicultural, uh, I dont see I dont see I mean. Well, Im Jewish, does that count for anything? Alix, give her a card. Kenny. Hi, nice to meet you. Hi Im Kenny. How you doin? Are you not enjoying this? I mean to I go to shows here all the time its always this crowded, right? I was here for Yoko. It was more it was much more crowded. Yeah, it was packed. I couldnt move. Yeah. Did he work with these guys or no? How do we know how do we know these guys? I think Ive been there. You gave me that, yeah, you gave me that. Whats your URL? Do you know Alex? Look, Ill tell you. Theyre an art site. Its all art, like, uh visual art, fine art stuff. Its very cool, very hip. Its all like artists its all artists designing. By what? Who does we know? Give us some names of these friends. Oh, I get it, OK. Kenny. Ubu. Kenny. Same thing. Ubu is shit in French, right? ShitWeb. Yeah no no no, it is. I mean, you know Alfred Jarry, right? The great great Surrealist Dadaist wrote wrote Pere Ubu Alfred Jarry wrote Pere Ubu uh Ubu Roi and you know the band Pere Ubu they took their name from that as well. Twentieth Century French Surrealist stuff. OK. So, uh, its father shit Pere Ubu or King Shit. So wanna you wanna join us for a drink Alex? Lets go. Lets go. Were gon youre cmon have a margarita, uh, a margarita with us. There you go. There you go. Cmon cmon Alex. Join us later. At least. What an asshole. I know. He didnt he didnt know who Alfred Jarry was. He had he had never heard of the band Pere Ubu I mean, I was like were in other worlds, you know? Wait a minute we lost Cheryl and... Ubued? Yeah it was Ubu, yeah. Oh really? Thats cool. Were going it looks like Cheryl and I are going to spend two two months in Bordeaux this summer. Oh, in Beaujolais! Well, you know... Claudia grew up in Paris. Cheryl, yeah. It was excellent. Is that nice? Is Beaujolais nice? You can be honest. Is it a good place to spend... is it a good place to spend the summer? Were thinking of going for July and August. Yeah. Uh, around? Well Cheryl theyre giving us artists in residence there, some woman whose got this big chateau and the government gives her money if she here she goes shes shes describing it. So anyway, the government gives her money if she has artists come and hang out. We were thinking that would be really fun, you know? Um, Cheryl has shown in France and shes got a dealer in Paris, so so, uh, so through her French connections like oh, OK that sounds really good. Ive never been to... did I say Beaujolais? What does it look like there? What does it look like? Wow. Wow. Um, do you still have family in Paris? Oh, where did you go to high school? Oh, hmmm. So like youve just been in New York or Paris pretty much your whole life. Whered you go to school? In Paris. You went to Parsons in Paris? I did foundation at Parsons. Uh huh. I had a good time, um, I dont know, it was a long time ago. It was OK, yeah and then I switched to RISD. I went to NYU then I went to Parsons then I finished at RISD. Uh, I got out of RISD in 84. RISD was cool, yeah. RISD was really fun. It was a lot better than Parsons, I mean, you know, I studied sculpture. Parsons is no place to study fine art, thats for sure. These people are someone we can sit here. OK. Yeah. Liquor Store Bar, lets go there. Oh, that looks just as crowded, Andrea. This looks just as crowded. We can try it. I hate New York. What were thinking, yeah. Hey, you know, were just gonna be hanging out. This is part of it. Yeah, no, well get some chairs and stuff, here heres a stray chair. Well get a table. Wheres she going? It sounds like shes got a lot of work. Nice nice move. Nice move. Whats she say NYU Law, pal. Shes really nice this woman. She sounded kinda crazy but shes really really bright. Did you meet her. Shes like like this very intelligent, black, hip, feminist professor at NYU Law. You know. Quiet, you know. I always expect her behavior to be awful. The creeps Ive worked for. You know, really. Who, Claudia? How come your name appears like nowhere on your site? Yeah. Yeah but Robert Atkins works for the Village Voice. Yeah, he writes for the Voice so where does the Voice get the money, I mean, yeah yeah. I like I like this guy. He almost got us a table at Teddys. So, uh, how did you like that Cybersuds? Yeah, this one in particular. Oh, boy. Claudia, hows your French. Is it good? Cheryl you should talk French. Hey this good. Shes Cheryls at Alliance Francais right now. I I dont speak a word of it. I dont speak a word of it. Are you kidding? Im like most Americans. I speak one one language. This one. Did you see that thing that they had under the Cyber Times article about how English is the lingua lingua franca of the Internet. Did you read that? I like that cyber I like that section actually. I think its better than the regular paper. Yeah, the business section. Who ever thought Id be reading a business section? Yeah, PDF. Are they still making that? Wait a minute. Do you just have it emailed to you or or. Where do you I I thought I remembered when it first came on, no when they first came on it was that. It was only PDF. Yeah I did yeah they have a website. Have you been there? You love this. How long have I know you? How many years? Uh, I want a beer. Yeah. What do you only have 4 bucks? We got some money darling? You got 4 more than I have? OK OK. My wife my wife my wife only has a hundred bucks a hundred dollars on her so let me give you like about 8 bucks here. That should buy us about 2 beers, shouldnt it? Is that an is that an anti-Semitic comment? Huh? Oh Beth. Beth, yeah. He doesnt seem Canadian, does he? Yeah, youre not. We were in Banff for three months at the Banff Center. Hey, there we go. Yeah, thats what we did. After Banff we drove to we drove smack out to Vancouver. It was fun. You know it looks like a Banff earring, yeah. We lived out of the back of a truck for a long time. It was fun. There were animals, I mean, there were like these big animals that came right up to you. Is that what they were called? Frightening, these things. How does that sound, Claudia? Interesting or? Where did you go? Where did you go? Where do you live? Nice place to visit. Horrible place to live. I liked your email. You can they can stop the hammering in the street now thank you. She she can she really gives good gives good email, doesnt she? Are you Ill bet youre a good typist too. Is the tone of the office there sarcastic? Benjamin seems just like a totally silly guy. Well, I know that you are and Im learning that you are. So he he I hope he wasnt taking my offense at my windows comments there. No, it was a joke. Claudia, how do you like Benjamin? Oh, well you guys go do the French thing? You get you get along with Benjamin? Is is Total New York like Benjamin or is he kind of how is he viewed at Total. I met him. I met him when I was talking to you. The new the new program guy the guy with the really big nose and the really short hair? Yeah. We met him when I was talking to you he came in and Andrea said, oh heres our new... You like him. Whats him name? Andrea, you had a crush on Mateo? Yeah, well I like guys with big noses. What can I say. It died? What happened? What happened? Who? Who? Mateo was flirty? Email? No I mean when you just said to Claudia youre gonna mail email her instructions to get on the WAC list when shes downstairs. What are you you guys have no email nobody really to email? We went to... Excuse me? Shes not what? How is she getting paid? Is she well paid? Uhhhh. Do you know do you know we went to check Vivs email on Monday, she had 85 messages? Can you believe that? Oh, I thought that was all for one day. I was really impressed. How many how many messages do you get a day? Is that it? What does this mean. Oh, Im so so glad my Mom isnt, yeah. Thats wonderful? Oh good good. Where are you from? And how long have you been in New York for I know at least since 89 when you went to the Whitney Program. Um, did you go to school here? Where did you do school? At Madison. We were there. Uh, Long Island. Of my 35 years on this planet Ive lived 34 of them within twenty minutes of where were sitting now. Not to say that I havent traveled but if I had my way I would never leave the city. I would never leave Manhattan I love I will live here the rest of my life. I love it here. I mean this is the only place I really feel is home. I it is I got my familys here but also like I feel really, like any other city in the world I dont feel quite like, oh this is this is where I live. I havent no. Well get there. Ive never been to Italy. Ive never been to Southern Europe. Ive been to India but Ive never been to Italy. Yeah. No that weird like like place like where they have sort of that weird art sidewalk. What is what do you do there? What? Oh wow. Wow. Are you what do you do are you a programmer or are you...? Yeah, what is that what do you actually do? Oh, I see. I was and hes Canadian and hes Canadian. We like him. We like him. Oh right, Cheryl. Its not so inner. Do you like John, Claudia? Imagine if if Claudia worked on on your office when the sun came in youd be blinded. So do you act at all? Yeah. No, but we saw Rent. Really, shes spending all her money on fashion or is it family money. What do you think? Somethings not somethings not right right. Where do you live? Oh, I live on Thompson 32. Between Broome and Grand. Are you 170? 170? Right right right. I love it. I love love it there. Im on the wes Im on the east side. We are on the east side. And I work in the Cable Building. Did you know that? Oh, its great. God, its such a cool building. Ive been there since 90. 5 is the other side of 7. Theyre connected, right 7. Its like an artists building. Its like a lot of artists are in that building. Yeah. Who who were you with? Who were you with? And Spring and Lafayette in the East River Savings Building? Thats an expensive building. The Ca I I was gonna look to move from the Cable. The Cables really my office is 275. Ive got such oh, it pretty small but its big enough to do what I need to do there. Its like probably, I dont know, three hundred square feet, something like that? Its fine. I mean when I was making objects I had a bigger space and uh, then I downsized I had like 5, maybe it was 600 square feet there maybe more maybe like. I downsized. Maybe like 600 and I was, yeah its cheap its always less than a dollar a square foot there. Its really not. I love it there. I can bring my dog with me. They love dogs they encourage dogs its a great address everybody loves to go there so its its, you know, its good people watching cool people in the building. I mean like the people that I my computer, you know, where all my computer things happen in the Cable Building. I use NAFT. Do you know NAFT? Nobody knows them. Theyre Naft International. It stands for Not A Fucking Thing. Right? And these guys are like theyre a dealer of theyre a Mac dealer and they provide service on premises its like amazing. I buy all my equipment from them. Yeah no I buy everything from them. Every if if if my computer just flips out for a moment. Yeah they come right up they dont charge I mean, you know, theyre really theyre lovely. Im nervous. No no I know so I do do not expect you to do it but I Im nervous Im nervous. If I couldnt figure out how to turn the warning off on on on Aaron... Well let me know because it was funny I had it configured I wrote you I looked my machine looked looked just like Windows. Well, maybe its the way I configured it but that kind of 3-D thing, uh, looks. Well, it sort of has a real my Microsoft Word looked exactly like Windows. It was really bizarre. It was like like blue and I actually got menus to kind of like stay down, you know, like on Windows when, you know, lower on Windows things they drop but Im working on Word 6.0.1 and you can also kind of hit your. Its nice. But you can you can hit you can hit in Word you can hit your command key and and you can then the things get underlined, you know, like like little I love that its very yeah like no I love which I really like, you know, you can hit an e and. I was using Quick Keys until it crashed my system too much. I love Quick Keys. Did you have trouble trouble with it? I did everything with Quick Keys, man, it was bitchin. I didnt have to use my mouse ever. No it was bitchin I mean for every little thing for every little thing I could have Z Term dial Panix just by doing an Option P and it was like zap, man, and it would dial it for me. Oh yeah. Itll do it. Itll do it. Itll definitely do it. I love Z Term. I mean I I I cant stand, you know. No, I was prostelatising for Netscape. Cause well thats thats just just about as easy. Yeah, I know. I Ive been reading about this. It doesnt up what do you mean it doesnt upgrade the mail?
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