What do you mean refresh it? I always empty my cache. I empty my cache about about every three days anyway. Yeah, thats true. I I I dont know, I havent had a problem with that. Its weird it picks my mail up every day as I need to. But anyway, I like pine, you know, I really I see you do to. I know you do I I could tell by the style of your mail. I love hitting that Control K and cutting my lines and. Who is it? Klinkostein? Or hes just pr or is he cute? Is he cute? Well it well thats right. Well, if he was cute. Well, thats true Alix Alix took care of that with the new guy though. Hes cute and hes nice. But, yeah yeah thats important. Claudia how is your boyfriend cute or not really? What does he do? Of? Oh, I like them. I like the Dewars. I no I do because and youre gonna understand this. I love that one with the uh uh with the mens group because of my dad. Our our parents are both New Age, yeah. Our our parents are our fathers are both New Age and that one hit me right. I like that. No, I like those ads I think. Well, wait did he come what does producing mean do he what does producing mean? Did he come up with the concepts? So hes hes so somebody comes up with the concepts and he makes it happen. But I think theyre really ironical. I dont think, right. I dont think that theyre I dont think that theyre I dont that theyre I dont think theyre misogynist because I think theyre just amazingly ironical. What do you do you agree? Do you think theyre. I actually think theyre kind of no, you hate them. I kind of think theyre funny, I dont know I mean theyre just another world. Theyre theyre not part of. So much Unix do you know for your gig. No no I you know more than me. I mean it it you actually have to be have have a Unix prompt open. Well the question. Yeah, I know but who wants to who wants to. Listen this is such a good question. I know I do it all the time what do you mean you tell me you cant telnet to Panix? I telnet, yeah. I learn the net through Unix completely. I didnt I mean I came in. Well, no I before before there was graphical browsers all there was was the Unix shell so how do you... No. No. I I always I start on Z Term, but I mean there was no graphical browser. Well, no, I didnt we talk about this? Its just like DOS? Did I tell you this. No but I worked on the no no I was trained in AutoCad. Its only as DOS platform. So, its like, oh yeah, like Unix, oh yeah, its just like DOS, got it. I mean, thats easy but DOS is easy. Well, just hook me up. I mean, but we know how to get around in these environments. I like them. I like Unix. Yeah, its easy, yeah. I well listen, were Mac were Macintosh, so obviously we believe in that. Yeah, but were you Windows before? Yeah yeah yeah. I um, right, so when I so when I learned the Web there was not even, I mean, there was some primitive version of Mosaic but I wasnt gonna bother so I had to learn, you know, it did. I think everybody who works on the Web should manually learn how to FTP through Unix. Its easy and its sort of satisfying and then and then sz it back down to your desktop. I mean, yeah, sure. rz it up to your desktop. I mean I still I still do that and wherever I am I know that I can do this but I have a question for you. Can I turn my Macintosh into a Unix box? Can I actually learn is there some way that I can actually learn Perl on my Mac with my dialing in? No I wont telnet, Ill just Z-Term. But without paying the phone bills. For what? I have telnet I telnet well you have I telnet to, uh, 2 6, yeah, right. Yeah and then work on Panix yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, well sure. I know I wish there was something that I could do that would actually make it function like that. I could. Heres my idea. I know. Yeah, no no no. Yeah, but I wish there was like I could double click on a program and it would open up a program that would emulate, um, Unix so I could learn programming easily on my machine without tying up my phone line and paying phone bills. My phone bills are enormous every month. I cant stand it. You dont pay phone bills at your job but I pay commercial phone rates and if I hang out on the phone for like, you know, forever it it starts to really add up. 6 oh oh yeah. Yeah. Hmmm hmmm hmmm. One. I can only afford one. I really what we pay between home and my office and Cheryls studio for fucking phone, I mean really its like 300 dollars. Its insane. So, I mean I can I can. Oh, I cant start with that, I mean that the the Ive heard its just an absolute nightmare. And its and ISDN I was noticing that at your your ISDN. I wasnt that fast, yeah. ISDNs real expensive, its a real hassle to put in, its a real cost to get put in. If I can get some kind of big gig, you know, Id do it if, you know, its, you know. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. Um, I think 28.8 28.8 moves alright. I dont I dont really have much of a problem. You know, hmm, I still, you know, I mean... What the ISDN? What is the startup? Its really. Oh, thats not thats not that much. Its, uh, you know, that wouldnt kill me. Yeah yeah. You know I can look into it I mean Ive got guys knocking on my door at the Cable Building try asking me about ISDNs Ive always said no no, you know, people are always looking for that. Yeah. I dont know, Im like... yeah, I am. Yeah, Ive got plenty to do Im maintaining like 6 site and, you know, its just you know what Ive learned with the web thing is like a site youre married to a client. Its a long term thing. Ive actually turned down jobs because I didnt really like the people because, you know, like youve got to maintain these things, youve got keep them up its always a constant, yeah, youve got to fix it when it breaks. You know, but maintenance is where I can make my money. I have my favorite server is called Crocker Communications. Youve never heard of them. Theyre in theyre in somewhere in Massachusetts I dont even know where but theyre terrific, theyre so good. So cheap. Fifty dollars a month buys a domain name and unlimited space. And they are lovely, I mean they Ive never worked with a server, uh, with a provider that is, um, you know, as reliable or as sweet or as wonderful as these people. I love them. And Ive worked Ive worked with a lot of different providers. Yeah yeah well actually I have a guy here in New York that Im working with now. In a guy, um, hes in New York. Hes running a Mac server. Thats fun. I can I can Timbuktu in which is interesting. And I can pull his desktop up on to mine. Have you heard of this? Yeah, you can pull his desktop and I can open his files, I can open run his programs on my desktop. Its actually really sort of interesting. But, yeah, um, these people that I work with the Unix server up there theyre theyre terrific. I put everybody I can onto them. Theyre just great. I have a scripter there. My scripters at Crocker. I have clients in L.A., clients in Western Massachusetts, I have clients in Upstate New York, you know, it doesnt matter. I mean this is this is the best thing about this thing. Its totally non-geographical. I mean, I adore it. I I I adore this. I like not not not having to go somewhere, you know, every day. And these people I work for are crazy. Im glad I dont have to deal with them. No no theres so much, I mean, theres so much to learn. You wanna go? You wanna take me to one? Lets go. When do we wanna go? Whens the next one? I like Daniel, yeah. Lets do it, no I mean. I also I mean, its so many people who are so isolated. I mean basically were not talking you guys are in a really, yeah, its one one over. Uh, we should pro, I I, Cher we should probably call it a night. I think were the same. Claudia, how about you are you heading out? Yeah, yeah. Were were in the hip hip, what is it? The hip cyber area code? In your your article. Did you see Andrea. 10012. Yeah, what are you guys up there? Well they said youre cool too. Anyway, I I wanna go so let me know. No the thing I was saying is were all you guys are not isolated cause youre working I was talking to Claudia. So because you work at home you have been Ive been working at home, I mean were like a like a lot of people that are just Im alone all day in my office, you know, doing kind of doing web stuff from Massachusetts to Los Angeles so that what shes talking about is good, you know, kind of real contact. You guys you guys met through one, right? Was that fun? I dont know, Viv, do you think hes cute? Mateo. Claudia? I wanna Paki. I wanna eat there and then well go up and pick up Bets. OK? So, Daniel, how can we get in touch with you at...? How can how can we be in touch with you? Oh, you got his card. OK, good. And you have my I gave you I gave you one of those, yes, the Ubu, the UbuWeb. The big one the big one, yes. Yes. So, nice to meet you finally in the flesh. Be in touch. Let me know let me know. Let me know whats going on. Keep, yeah. Im here. Yeah. Yeah. Or or if you want to, um, yeah give a buzz if you wanna chat or anything or, you know, just see whats going on. OK, have fun. Its good. Its OK. So have fun moving in. When do you move in? And youre really gonna get moving on this, like, immediately? Cool. Alright, shall we? Were heading south, where are you headed. OK, Ill see ya. OK. Goodbye, honey. Were flying south. Im glad we Im glad we did this. This was better this was our own Cybersuds. This is better. We got to meet Daniel. No, this is Daniel. No, this is not Alex, no. Alex is other guy. Alex is. Beth Beth Beth. See ya. Im gonna Im gonna email you email me the trick. And tell me when that next thing is. Yes. Yeah, lets hang out or something. Im around. OK. Ay, you know? Even even extracurricular activities, lets go get a drink or something hang out. OK. Bye Alex. Uh, Kevin, Kevin. Yeah, so lets be in touch. Ill check this thing out. Im actually I work I work in. Bye, you guys. So, uh, Ill see you around the hood. I work in the Cable Building, which is Broadway and Houston above the Angelica yeah yeah yeah, so Im Im constantly. OK, I have a dog that Im attached to constantly. I have a, seriously, yeah Ive got this great boxer thats thats like nailed glued to me. Are you looking for, what, html or? Well, go go look at those U go to that site look at URLs I designed them and conceptualized them, though theres not any programming, any real sort of Java or anything on them, but Im not a programmer. Im a designer and a, so there you go. OK, have a look. OK you guys, have a good dinner. Bye Andrea. Andrea I dont Andrea whens the next event? Im not. Im gonna... Is there is any, wait a minute is there any is there any news about, uh, Roberta Smith. You better you better check that paper, hon. Andreas a curator. It was unbelievable. Andrea, when does your show close? You should go see Andreas show. Its very cool, yeah yeah. See, you its another context. But I think Daniel would appreciate it. Give him give him the, um, the concrete URL. Its Christopher St. Oh, Andrea, what do you think of the new bookstore that opened up next to Kims Video. Its interesting. Its interesting theyre good. Its, uh, the Kims Video on the West side. Theyve got a place theyve got a place down here on, uh, on West Broadway and, uh, its its theres lots of good stuff there. Theres a big Wittgenstein biography there for about five bucks. Im gonna go and pick one up. Bye. Andrea Andrea did you check out any of the my, URLs that I, uh, forwarded you? Theres some, its very hot. Oh, no no forget Bad Puppy. Weve weve bypassed it. This is this is, uh, Chris top five of the web. Bye. Well that was good. We made connection connection. I mean it seems like theres plenty o work. Im telling you, Cheryl. When work comes in well well be doing it together. Yeah yeah no. I mean I mean that I mean that girl Claudia seems just kind of dopey but shes got major major line on work for. Well, no no shes not dopey, I mean, shes really corporate, I mean, yeech, I cant stand her. She looks like a, she looks like one of the Littles friends. I mean like that that style is just intolerable. But shes got so much work. And she has nobody to do it. And and, you know, this could this could be... This is a place to go have a drink. Uh, its wet. Wet paint. I think this is a nice looking place. Somebody said they didnt like it. Can we see a menu? Do you serve lunch. This might have been a nice place to come with my mom tomorrow. But they dont theyre not serving lunch until next week. Is she here is she here every night? Yeah it really looks gross I mean its a bad scene and really expensive for food that you can get on Atlantic Avenue for 5 dollars I mean, its insane, really. Hold on a sec Ive got to see something. I think I have the wrong setting on here. Hey were just finishing we just finished but those guys are just over at Walkers. You know where Walkers is? Thats where those guys are. Wheres your card? Wheres your card to see these sites that youve done. Westport. Did you come all the way down from Westport for this? Its one of these. Thats ours. We do art sites. Yeah, have a look, its fun. Ive seen youre on the WAC list, right? Yeah, these mailing lists, theyre insane, huh? Yeah, just putting them into, putting them into, right into. Is that Eudora the full version or is it Eudora light. Does Eudora light do it? How do you set that up? Under filters, OK. So, go check these guys out over there. OK. Theyre there. Weve gotta meet some friends downtown. Nice to meet you. Hey, you know, this accomplished it, even if you only meet a few people. Yeah no I mean that Daniel said oh were looking for people Andrea said, you know, I mean, uh Claudia really needs mucho work and. Uh, I dont know I think html stuff, you know, and this kind of thing I dont know design, Im not sure whatever it is well do it, uh, you know, no its good, Cher, you know, even if you just met a few people its a good its just a good thing to be out and around. I like Viv. Shes very nice, isnt she? Shes very cool. Yeah yeah, I mean what the heck I mean I I learned it and its nothing you couldnt learn. I have a feeling that like a lot of this stuff is going to be is going to be, you know, its not Site Mill, I mean you have to really I mean a lot nine nine tenths of its gonna be BBEdit putting in tags by hand things like that. Well, its not hard, I mean its, you know, it it it. It isnt hard. Yeah, it isnt hard. So, uh, I like Viv shes really nice, isnt she? Shes very cool and really funny and I mean that Claudia was I mean shes just bizarre for such a young girl, I mean, shes such an old woman for such a young girl. Shes like 20 shes gotta be like 25 or something and she just has copped this style thats so she looks like some old art collector or something. Shes in advertising, shes just like totally corporate, you know, its just all corporate but, you know, hey, you know, work is work, right, and uh, I guess thats what that was all about. I think it was a good thing we went. Its not what I really felt like doing but its a good thing we went. I like Benjamin. Hes really nice, isnt he? Hes a funny guy. Hes cute. I like his whole attitude is so dopey and sweet. Yeah. OK. I I would think you like that. Id love to hear you speak French you just start wailing you just start going and you got you understood everything she was saying to him? He was nice too Daniel, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Look, Cheryl, you know what? I got news for ya. Were artists and this is just a fucking, you know, this is just a, you know, yeah this is just a job, you know, I mean our real focus is on our work and on, you know, each other and thats thats where its at of course, I mean who cares about programmers? Programmers are the stockbrokers of the 90s. You know? They are. I mean programmers, its stupid shit. Who gives a fuck? But. It is, yeah. Did you get a corporate vibe from that Knitting Factory thing? Yeah, embarrassing. Ill bet you get Ill bet you get the same food as you got up at that place. Yeah yeah. Well wait till we go to Greece and we try the food. Im Im really looking forward to that well well really get some good stuff. Yeah yeah. Definitely definitely. Claudia. Is that Claudia. No its Cindy, Cindy. I mean theres nothing to sort of feel bad about like oh, this guys from MIT. I mean, you know, hes a fucking programmer, you know? I mean the man is a computer programmer. But he seemed like a nice guy nonetheless I mean no and Andrea and him off for dinner. That was good. You know, until she starts to castrate him. Itll be great for the first week until she starts to say youre so young. Wow, its crowded in here tonight, isnt it? Sure, I guess so. Hello. How you doing tonight? Good. Were gonna stay, eat here tonight. Do you are you hungry Cheryl? OK, we have some mixed vegetable and whats this one? This is potato. And this is... Whats this one? I love that I want do you do you want to order first? Do you want any bread. Do you want any bread? Well have one nan. Why dont we share one nan? Its nice its nice to have. Right here. And I will have, um... Its OK its OK, well share this table with you. Please, please. No no no, please, please. Its OK. That was for Cheryl and for Kenny, OK, uh, actually some of these vegetables, oh Im sorry rice, lots of rice. I need rice. Same same same as her. Thats it. Some shag. And a little bit of the chicken, uh, yeah I love that, its so good. OK, and we got one nan coming? Great. Oh. OK, Im Ill be right back. Are you waiting? Youre next? OK, Ill come back. Someones in someones in the bathroom? You next? Is he waiting for the bathroom? OK, Ill come back. Thanks. Grazie.
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