========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:44:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Self-esteem in the Office of Homeland Security Comments: cc: webartery , "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii " It's smoky and gross out here! " Metabolism complained. I got a new orange lighter yesterday. The blaze was contained in a setting as tranquil as Patriot missles would allow. Tighter parrots would kick over salt- rimmed glasses, stinging her eyes. He reasoned that it wasn't HIS fault those kids near Virginia Beach died of such a supple flu, as Great White played on, and on. All Metabolism wanted to know was: how quickly can we get through this? A child, HIV-positive, gets sneakily missing and without her head to guide us sits up in a Carolina woods. Kissing makes any space it folds in mild. "For god's sake, peasant, open the window!" she bawled. But it was just another advertisement, for something called space. 2003/02/28 08:24:51 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:16:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: You, Dance Before the War! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You, Dance Before the War! Me, the sun encloses the dance-runner with my unemployment friend of the immobilized! I am a child before the worlds. I have an umbrell or a parasol. I am the City of Trieste! a sad person. She is my copulating coquette. Before the war or after? I have needs. I have an other need, says Rimbaud. Run! Run! And don't return! It's me! Alas, then, the war! Tomorrow, we die. To be or not to be has the agony, that is the question! We die, an English idiot or the cretins. The soldiers march to battle, to knock-out! I am the tree of the worl! Alas, unemployment! Alas, then, to work the wounded! I have my three little points. I think. I am a rock, couch me down tonight? Pardon, I am desolated! Tomorrow, we sacrifice our life for the dance! Two morrows, we assist at the last blow! Tomorrow, to assassinate. I am a potato of the moon... Alas then! Come with me, kleptomaniac! We are our knees. To the arms! To the arms! We are the gift of God to the earth. We sacrifice ourselves! Where are the snows of last year? I am the others. I am Dreyfus. My friend, it's Foofwa d'imobilite, he to dance-runner the beautiful war. Me? I exist. But he is a terrible child! Today, we think by the side of the river Susquehanna. Very beautiful! It snows. The Pax Romana. But I hear the carillons of War. I am a realis. I do not believe nothing. The sun is too haut, to hut, for animal or vegetable life. Plankton... The plasma... Sun! I live by the moon! IN the moon! I see all the worls! Screen! === You, Dance Before the You, War! Dance Me, the sun with encloses my dance-runner friend with of my the unemployment Me, friend the of sun immobilized! I an am umbrell a or child a before parasol. worlds. am have I an am umbrell a or child parasol. the City a Trieste! person. sad is person. my She copulating is coquette. copulating of coquette. Trieste! war have after? other needs. Rimbaud. other or need, after? says I Rimbaud. have Run! And Run! don't And return! don't It's return! me! 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Today, side think the by river side Very river Today, Susquehanna. we Very think beautiful! by It the snows. carillons Pax War. Romana. I hear realis. carillons snows. War. Pax realis. hear do is believe haut, nothing. to too or haut, do hut, believe animal The vegetable life. Plankton... vegetable plasma... Plankton... Sun! The live moon! moon! all IN the see live all by worls! moon! Screen! IN === ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:31:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: hare and mare Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed where is she now? fruits of contemplation belonging to the Emperor who else can see? _________________________________________________ when the entire sea is the forehead of some minor nymph _________________________________________________ be mine not here in your youth _________________________________________________ a mural or humble prose dead wrong jazzy short for jasmine _________________________________________________ before your eyes in your hands on the tip of my tongue read anew once done, inevitable in your hands read anew __________________________________________________ next to text is the forehead of mechanical reproduction __________________________________________________ a mural or humble prose where does that get us? next to text a life of their own pleads for his life ___________________________________________________ who else can see part three? before your eyes ____________________________________________________ a step back out of the bag a life of their own _____________________________________________________ spell number next to text hare and mare are fruits of contemplation ______________________________________________________ where is she now? read anew before your eyes ______________________________________________________ stratocratic on the button everything’s on the up and up the perfect sentence pleads for his life astraticulate _______________________________________________________ English speaking refrain four breaks for five pieces _______________________________________________________ your entire youth diving like water when the entire sea lay across oceans of the perfect sentence ________________________________________________________ mechanical reproduction a mural or humble prose belonging to the Emperor _________________________________________________________ cadence in the bag splitting things finer three different stories splitting things finer __________________________________________________________ four breaks for five pieces when the entire sea covers the slopes on the tip of my tongue ___________________________________________________________ read anew not here across oceans head records eyes some minor nymph open and shut ____________________________________________________________ dead wrong in the bag be mine out of the bag _____________________________________________________________ spell number before your eyes low card belonging to the Emperor _____________________________________________________________ patronyms on heads stones family plot Apollo’s bastards musical glasses filled with water crow congress furthermore _____________________________________________________________ open and shut some minor nymph out of the bag open and shut some minor nymph out of the bag tassein valise _____________________________________________________________ you have stanzas on the tip of my tongue hare and mare are a life of their own four breaks for five pieces worth more than a life of their own _____________________________________________________________ hare and mare are the entire sea & when the entire sea pleads for his life hare and mare are English speaking _______________________________________________________________ low card read anew part two part two nothing at all low card in your mouth ________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:10:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: How to breach Ari Fleisher In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I woke up this morning thinking about "material breach" the expression used both in the description of what the Columbia space shuttle and the one, "if proven", will be used to proceed to the "shock and awe" missle / bomb attack on Baghdad. In case anybody missed the specifics of the Pentagon's intention for the US to shatter Iraq "physically, emotionally and psychologically" by raining down on its people as many as 800 cruise missiles in two days.The Pentagon battle plan aims not only to crush Iraqi troops, but also wipe out power and water supplies in the capital, Baghdad. It is based on a strategy known as "Shock and Awe", conceived at the National Defense University in Washington, in which between 300 and 400 cruise missiles would fall on Iraq each day for two consecutive days. It would be more than twice the number of missiles launched during the entire 40 days of the 1991 Gulf War." (This is part of the information from which Bob Perleman built his poem for the Philadelphia Enquirer.) But I today what are the ways to "syntactically breach" Bush's sanitized publish version of a quick, clean war in which Iraq will be bombed into a peaceful, soon flourishing democracy. (Isn't this the geopolitical version Ronald and Nancy Reagan - in those fifty's General Electric TV ads - where the couple flips the switch and beatifically smile "with us" at the freshly illumined, newly furnished family kitchen"). I am thinking there must be a way for White House reporters - now that might be a stretch - to crack and breach Ari F's bullet proof syntax as he represents the President's case. With the information out onShock & Awe, why can't the reporters just drill down and ask for specific details? In Ed Sander's terms practice "An Investigative Poetics". Such as 1. What are the projected statistical numbers of citizens - including fathers, mothers, children and others that will be killed in such an attack. 2. What will be the range of psychological problems experienced by those who are not killed during "Shock & Awe". How will the fledgling democracy attend to these 'problems' 3. How much will it cost the USA to rebuild Baghdad's water and power supply, provide food and for how long to the City. My sense is that the more numerical and graphic the information, the more likely more and more people will be repulsed by what seems obviously an act of slaughter - under "democratic" cover. I am thinking a next and immediate move - since most of these reporters are as cowed as many in Congress unless shaken by public demand - is to re-identify the Washington reporters from our local papers (including NPR) - whether they cover the White House or Pentagon or Congress. And to pepper them with these questions, insisting that they ask Ari & Company for the full projected Shock & Awe consequences and facts. In fact I am going to suggest this as one more strategy to the folks who led yesterdays Virtual March. Maybe there is a little breathing room left. In any case I am going to push with the editors at the SF Chronicle - they've got two guys back there. More thoughts welcome. "For any oil company, being in Iraq is like being a kid in F. A. O. Schwarz," said one senior European oil executive.(NY Times today) "Awesome, Dude, Awesome" Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:04:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Secret crushes revealed Fake beers consumed Voices and laughter heard Devious plans planned http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 15:06:17 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: new at spokenWORD blog Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: "owner-list-rhizome.org" , s2137039@student.gu.edu.au, s1697193@student.gu.edu.au, s1719499@student.gu.edu.au, s1590056@student.gu.edu.au, s103992@student.gu.edu.au, s2148666@student.gu.edu.au, s1632288@student.gu.edu.au, s2148441@student.gu.edu.au, s1774892@student.gu.edu.au, s1744136@student.gu.edu.au, s1541290@student.gu.edu.au, s1542620@student.gu.edu.au, s1843675@student.gu.edu.au, s1562228@student.gu.edu.au, s1612413@student.gu.edu.au, s1846926@student.gu.edu.au, s1483370@student.gu.edu.au, s1544862@student.gu.edu.au, s461636@student.gu.edu.au, s2136577@student.gu.edu.au, s2146368@student.gu.edu.au, s1701535@student.gu.edu.au, s1762943@student.gu.edu.au, s298852@student.gu.edu.au, s1774359@student.gu.edu.au, active@bigpond.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F53239; boundary="=======7E5E4E1F=======" --=======7E5E4E1F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F53239; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ana maria uribe - 2 sound poems, it's raining and train in motion komninos - list poem, writing exercises for high school students. regina celia pinto in rio - the carnival is coming! komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======7E5E4E1F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5F53239 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Another example of the similar kind of word formation is the name of the bird oriole which is derived from the diminutive form of Latin aureus (golden).] "Never was so brilliant a lecture-room as his evening banqueting-hall; highly connected students from Rome mixed with the sharp-witted provincial of Greece or Asia Minor; and the flippant sciolist, and the nondescript visitor, half philosopher, half tramp, met with a reception, courteous always, but suitable to his deserts." John Henry Newman; The Idea Of A University, University Life At Athens; 1854. "On the other hand, judged strictly by the standard of his own time, (Francis) Bacon's ignorance of the progress which science had up to that time made is only to be equalled by his insolence toward men in comparison with whom he was the merest sciolist." Thomas H. Huxley; Harvey Discovers The Circulation Of The Blood; History of the World. This week's theme: words to describe people. ............................................................................ Success usually comes to those who are too busy to be looking for it. -Henry David Thoreau, naturalist and author (1817-1862) "A banquet of words!" -Richard Lederer, author of The Miracle of Language "A refreshing approach to words." -John Simpson, Chief Editor, the OED "Now at last here's a feast." -Barbara Wallraff, senior editor, Atlantic Monthly The Book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20/ Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/sciolist.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/sciolist.ram ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:38:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: NY reading for Enough at Bowery Poetry Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable enough, an anthology of poetry and writings against the war O Books. Editors: Rick London and Leslie Scalapino. 160 pages. $16.00 Available from Small Press Distribution: 1341 Seventh St., Berkeley CA = 94710. And: O Books, 5729 Clover Drive, Oakland CA 94618. =20 A reading and book party at Bowery Poetry Club on Saturday March 8th at = 1:00 PM. At: 308 Bowery, NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker right across from = CBGB's. FV train to Second Ave/6 train to Bleecker/212-614-0505.=20 =20 Readers at Bowery Poetry Club on March 8th: Anselm Berrigan, Charles Bernstein,=20 Jackson Mac Low, Sasha Steensen, Alan Davies,=20 Leslie Scalapino, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge,=20 Pierre Joris, Kristin Prevallet=20 =20 enough, which the editors began to assemble following 9/11 at the start = of the U.S. war on Afghanistan, is a collection of poets whose writings = are interactive with the current time, writing as its matter and syntax = not separate from oppressive conditions and war. In enough, U.S. poets, = British, Palestinian, Iraqi, Israeli, speak back and forth to each other = only in the medium of their art. The editorial basis of enough is that = these poets' art is not separate from their being in the world - and = that: Seeing what's happening is a form of change. =20 "We are alone. We are alone to the point of drunkenness with our own = aloneness,/with the occasional rainbow visiting...The prisoner said to = the interrogator. 'My heart is full/of that which is of no concern to = you. My heart is full of the aroma of sage./My heart is innocent, = radiant brimming...in the remains of dawn I walk outside of my own = being..." Mahmoud Darwish. "This moment,/this second/cuts in be-/tween = in two..." Pierre Joris. "THE CUPS WE DRINK FROM ARE THE SKULLS OF = ARABS/AND THIS SILK IS THE SKIN OF BABIES...THE SOULS HAVE NO VALUE THEY = ARE FOX FURS/THAT WE DRAPE OVER WELL-FED ARMS AND SHOULDERS..." Michael = McClure. "Are you glutted yet, no there are other countries to vomit = bombs out on, the sec of defence that is the every moment of cruelty, = has a gleeful face, carnage who knows the new wind, there isn't enough = oil so..." Alice Notley. "Where, that which is interior side half rind, = throughout, or half of a rind that's no retina out ahead floating in it = night meets black night is disintegrate cut savagely by them, not = ignored-it's reversed there and to, disintegrates-but suddenly she gets = it that she doesn't have to fight that which disintegrates it, her, lye, = that one can just be near it, all the time beside it go on and on, = without..." Leslie Scalapino. "A corpse the size of my body, turning = into coal. Protecting the head between the shoulders. An impacted tooth. = A wide forehead, and long fingers. A silver ring I inherited from my = father, and the residue of burns suspended between my jaws. Waw turning = over a dying ember, ta with a gouge in its belly and nun that has = became a hearth for ashes [watan: homeland]..." Nasri Hajjaj. "you mean = guerrilla loose/weave in another language..." Heather Fuller. "It is = perhaps lucky that the spoken word remains wild inside us, rushing and = vanishing out of our bodies. Speech is not thought...is a form of = breath" Fanny Howe ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:08:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: kanztanz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out the following from [], kanztanz@yahoo.com http://www.angelfire.com/gundam/rumdan/ - really like this site - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:41:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Philly Style RESOLUTION AGAINST THE USA PATRIOT ACT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.phillypeace.org/patriotact/resolution.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:56:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: launch reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit xbest of all possible readings, Lawence, and say a specially warm toodl-oo to Robert for me, please. Yours, David -----Original Message----- From: Lawrence Upton To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:05 AM Subject: launch reading >You are invited to the launch reading of THE LORES by Robert Sheppard & WIRE >SCULPTURES by Lawrence Upton published by Reality Street Editions > >Reading by Sheppard and Upton - Upton will be joined by Adrian Clarke on >some poems > >Venue: >Council Room >Birkbeck College >Malet Street >London W C 1 > >Wed 19th March 2003 7 p.m. to 9. p.m. > >People attending will be asked for a voluntary contribution of £4/2 to help >pay expenses. > >Reading organised in association with Contemporary Poetics Research Centre > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:53:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: BAFFLING COMBUSTIONS issue two Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed we're taking orders for the next issue which will be ready in a few days BAFFLING COMBUSTIONS a hand-bound poetry journal featuring monotype print & letter pressed covers in a limited edition of 50 copies issue two, featuring: joshua beckman anselm berrigan monica fambrough paul killebrew juliana leslie f.t. marinetti (translated by richard j. pioli, orthography recreated by jeffrey a. manzer) k. silem mohammad mark salerno laura solomon issue two: $6 postpaid two issue subscription: $10 (issue one is sold out) make checks payable to: Noah Gordon Baffling Combustions POBOX 1471 Northampton, MA 01061 bafflingcombustions@yahoo.com ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:59:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Canada's Contribution to the Crackdown on Dissent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CSIS paints anti-trade movement as menace Top-secret report warns of 'violent and extreme' elements Stewart Bell, with files from Mary Vallis National Post Monday, February 24, 2003 A top-secret intelligence document says the violent fringes of the anti-globalization movement remain a security concern for Canada and that "extraordinary caution" is necessary to prevent trouble at international gatherings. Although security agencies have since Sept. 11 focused their efforts extensively on the dangers of Islamic terrorism, the Canadian Security Intelligence Service report says Canada is also threatened by homegrown domestic extremists, notably anti-globalization radicals. The briefing report, dated last November, shows months after Canada hosted the G8 Summit without incident in Kananaskis, Alta., Canada's intelligence service continues to view anti-globalization violence as a problem. "The presence of world leaders in Kananaskis reminded us that one of the newest emerging domestic threats emanates from the highly-publicized phenomenon of anti-globalization," said the CSIS briefing. "Security was taken seriously [and] certainly contributed to making this event happen almost violence free .... The rationale for this extraordinary caution will continue for future meetings. "We must not forget, as graphically illustrated by the actions in Quebec City, and in Genoa, Italy in 2001, that there are elements within the movement which are violent and extreme," the CSIS briefing said. An anti-globalization protester was killed for the first time in anti-capitalist riots during the extremely violent clash outside a G8 meeting in Genoa. A police officer shot Carlo Giuliani, 23, after he lobbed a fire extinguisher through the shattered window of a police vehicle that had been cornered by a frenzied crowd of demonstrators. The threat posed by such anti-globalization groups has also been apparent in Canada. In Quebec City in April, 2001, rioting militants attacked police guarding the Summit of the Americas conference. Nineteen officers were injured and some 400 protesters were arrested. Some protesters had sawed-off hockey sticks and attacked the police with smoke bombs and chunks of concrete. Two months later, CSIS advised Parliament that violent fringe groups such as the Black Bloc anarchists, as well as militant factions of animal rights and environmental groups, were showing up at anti-globalization protests alongside trade unions, left-wing politicians and non-violent protesters. Clifford Orwin, a political scientist at the University of Toronto, said anti-globalization demonstrations will probably always attract "violent elements." "It would be quite surprising if they didn't," he said, adding violent protesters are drawn by the allure of publicity. The briefing report on counter-terrorism was prepared for Wayne Easter, federal Solicitor-General, shortly after he took over the Cabinet post from Lawrence MacAulay. It was released to the National Post under the Access to Information Act. It identifies the al-Qaeda terrorist network as the agency's top concern. After Sept. 11, Canada intensified its investigations into Islamic extremists, it said. "As we have witnessed, one of the prime motivations for terrorism today is religious extremism. Islamic terrorists use a militant interpretation of the Koran to justify using extreme violence to enforce their beliefs." The main threat comes from Sunni Muslim extremists. About 85% of Muslims are Sunnis, it says. A small minority see Osama bin Laden as a figurehead and adhere to his belief in a jihad, or holy war, against non-Muslims and moderate Muslims. "Although the recent audio recording, now assessed to be the voice of bin Laden, specifically makes reference to Canada as a potential target of future terrorist attacks, it has [long] been our assessment that al-Qaeda posed a threat to Canada's interests." But Islamic terrorists are not the only threat to Canada. Elements within Canadian multicultural groups are also actively supporting secessionist movements in such countries as India, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Ireland and the Middle East, the report says. "Most of the world's major Sikh terrorist groups are represented in Canada," it says, adding that three B.C. Sikhs have been charged with the 1985 Air-India bombing that killed 329. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:06:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: the passion of dana gioia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cute; but i actually think at least some of us listers have more in common w/ slam poetry, hiphop, spoken word etc than dana goia does with either us or them. At 10:05 AM -0800 2/27/03, Rodney K wrote: >2. At the Poetry Slam with Dana Gioia > > >=93The =93Chocolate Genius=94 spits on me > While rapping out his =91poetry=92. >But I don=92t mind a little mist > Because I am a populist. > >It=92s true, his passion=92s misdirected=97 > I=92ll write an essay to correct it. >You=92ll never touch the Absolute > Addressing Puerto Rican roots. > >Still, I prefer his faulty metrics > To theory-drunken academics=92. >This has an art brut, street appeal=97 > If it ain=92t good, at least it=92s real. > >It=92s oral poetry, this rap=97 > Tradition peeks out from the crap. >True, I can=92t completely back it > But I sure look sweet in a leather jacket. > > And I perceive a subtler function=97 > To slam the door on Deconstruction. >Just think! The freshest minds among us > Intoning Causley and Catullus > >And all the French wags I don=92t like > Prostrate before the open mike! >The prosody of spoken word will > Lead the common man to Virgil > >Dispelling Theory=92s fads and fashions > With the merest whiff of canon. >The art restored! And I its leader > Beloved by the common reader.=94 > >The Genius reads his final page > Screws back the mike and leaves the stage. >The crowd cheers, leaves=97all one-two-three go > For double non-fat mochaccinos. > > >--Rodney Koeneke -- -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 09:05:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: new billionaire / classics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hooked on Classics: Oprah Resurrects Book Club with Old School Authors Oprah Winfrey braved a Washington, D.C., snowstorm yesterday to deliver good news to a publishing industry in need of some cheering up. While Winfrey did not announce plans to resume her TV book club in its old format, she did say that she plans to start a new club devoted to the classics. "I'm back in the business of recommending books...but with a difference," Winfrey said. With the tentative title of Traveling with the Classics, the club will select titles three to five times per year. The show will travel to the place where each book is set, and Winfrey might pick several books from the same author at one time. To provide support for readers, a companion study guide will be available at Oprah.com. No start date was given for the new club, but an announcement is expected to be made in an upcoming episode of the Oprah Winfrey Show this season, which wraps up in June. "I cannot imagine a world where the great works of literature are not read," Winfrey said. *Reaction from the industry was swift. Publishers began counting the classics on their backlist, while others hoped Winfrey meant modern classics and not just those in the public domain. Booksellers and distributors hoped that Winfrey's project would stimulate new interest in books and reading.* !!! The program sounds similar to C-SPAN's American Writers series, which broadcast live footage of scholars, historians and readers discussing a writer's opus on location in a place associated with the writer's work. The series, which aired throughout 2002, started with William Bradford (author of the Mayflower Compact) and ended 45 episodes later with Neil Sheehan (author of A Bright Shining Lie). In her speech leading up to the announcement, which brought a cheer from publishing's leaders gathered for the Association of American Publishers' annual meeting (she was there to receive the AAP Honors Awards), Winfrey again stressed the importance of books and reading in her life. She said that since suspending her club last spring she has missed the interaction with authors and books and has grown concerned that books have come under fire from other, competing media offerings.--Nora Rawlinson and Jim Milliot Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:13:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Food for Cars Comments: cc: webartery , "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The day the sun fell down boom on the sidewalk writhing. It looked just like a baby, a bright baby who knew how to talk and how to sit up and how to tie her shoes. No-one picks up the sun, or holds it, because it's just too hot. That heat will eat us, we say. That heat will burn us away. The day the sun fell down boom on the sidewalk, writing started to look like a thicket from which we'd never emerge. Sure, I woke up as usual, examined the illicit downloads, made coffee, but only because I know how much you like detail. In the mouths of all the neighborhood ravens USB cables slick like early morning erections pressured the government into colonizing a people far away. The coffee was good though, as I'd practiced it sadly to tailor our tastes. That day we filled our car with blood. It ran well. We drove it. The sun fell down and it was a child who had no shoes. She was crippled. At the mall my people shuffled through aisles of bright goods. All the light had flattened and gone cold, and I thought maybe all these fabulous goods weren't so fabulous; I thought maybe they were flat and cold. It was warmer that day than it's ever been. All my people were sweating, and the sweat ate some of them away. 2003/03/02 11:53:27 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:16:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. 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From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) February 28, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000245.html#000245 U.S. Diplomat John Brady Kiesling: Letter of Resignation CIRCULATE WILDLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------ U.S. Diplomat's Letter of Resignation by John Brady Kiesling The following is the text of John Brady Kiesling's letter of resignation to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. Mr. Kiesling is a career diplomat who has served in United States embassies from Tel Aviv to Casablanca to Yerevan. Dear Mr. Secretary: I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal. It is inevitable that during twenty years with the State Department I would become more sophisticated and cynical about the narrow and selfish bureaucratic motives that sometimes shaped our policies. Human nature is what it is, and I was rewarded and promoted for understanding human nature. But until this Administration it had been possible to believe that by upholding the policies of my president I was also upholding the interests of the American people and the world. I believe it no longer. The policies we are now asked to advance are incompatible not only with American values but also with American interests. Our fervent pursuit of war with Iraq is driving us to squander the international legitimacy that has been America’s most potent weapon of both offense and defense since the days of Woodrow Wilson. We have begun to dismantle the largest and most effective web of international relationships the world has ever known. Our current course will bring instability and danger, not security. The sacrifice of global interests to domestic politics and to bureaucratic self-interest is nothing new, and it is certainly not a uniquely American problem. Still, we have not seen such systematic distortion of intelligence, such systematic manipulation of American opinion, since the war in Vietnam. The September 11 tragedy left us stronger than before, rallying around us a vast international coalition to cooperate for the first time in a systematic way against the threat of terrorism. But rather than take credit for those successes and build on them, this Administration has chosen to make terrorism a domestic political tool, enlisting a scattered and largely defeated Al Qaeda as its bureaucratic ally. We spread disproportionate terror and confusion in the public mind, arbitrarily linking the unrelated problems of terrorism and Iraq. The result, and perhaps the motive, is to justify a vast misallocation of shrinking public wealth to the military and to weaken the safeguards that protect American citizens from the heavy hand of government. September 11 did not do as much damage to the fabric of American society as we seem determined to so to ourselves. Is the Russia of the late Romanovs really our model, a selfish, superstitious empire thrashing toward self-destruction in the name of a doomed status quo? We should ask ourselves why we have failed to persuade more of the world that a war with Iraq is necessary. We have over the past two years done too much to assert to our world partners that narrow and mercenary U.S. interests override the cherished values of our partners. Even where our aims were not in question, our consistency is at issue. The model of Afghanistan is little comfort to allies wondering on what basis we plan to rebuild the Middle East, and in whose image and interests. Have we indeed become blind, as Russia is blind in Chechnya, as Israel is blind in the Occupied Territories, to our own advice, that overwhelming military power is not the answer to terrorism? After the shambles of post-war Iraq joins the shambles in Grozny and Ramallah, it will be a brave foreigner who forms ranks with Micronesia to follow where we lead. We have a coalition still, a good one. The loyalty of many of our friends is impressive, a tribute to American moral capital built up over a century. But our closest allies are persuaded less that war is justified than that it would be perilous to allow the U.S. to drift into complete solipsism. Loyalty should be reciprocal. Why does our President condone the swaggering and contemptuous approach to our friends and allies this Administration is fostering, including among its most senior officials. Has “oderint dum metuant” really become our motto? I urge you to listen to America’s friends around the world. Even here in Greece, purported hotbed of European anti-Americanism, we have more and closer friends than the American newspaper reader can possibly imagine. Even when they complain about American arrogance, Greeks know that the world is a difficult and dangerous place, and they want a strong international system, with the U.S. and EU in close partnership. When our friends are afraid of us rather than for us, it is time to worry. And now they are afraid. Who will tell them convincingly that the United States is as it was, a beacon of liberty, security, and justice for the planet? Mr. Secretary, I have enormous respect for your character and ability. You have preserved more international credibility for us than our policy deserves, and salvaged something positive from the excesses of an ideological and self-serving Administration. But your loyalty to the President goes too far. We are straining beyond its limits an international system we built with such toil and treasure, a web of laws, treaties, organizations, and shared values that sets limits on our foes far more effectively than it ever constrained America’s ability to defend its interests. I am resigning because I have tried and failed to reconcile my conscience with my ability to represent the current U.S. Administration. I have confidence that our democratic process is ultimately self-correcting, and hope that in a small way I can contribute from outside to shaping policies that better serve the security and prosperity of the American people and the world we share. -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.21 http://www.movabletype.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:27:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. 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From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) February 28, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000247.html#000247 BKS: A Mini-Anthology of Anti-War Poems CIRCULATE WILDLY ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [I've just received in the mail the O Books anthology enough, a collection of poems and statements assembled in the wake of 9/11. I'm sticking five up withought permission because I like them, but also as advertisement for the book, which is available at Small Press Distribution. I regret not being able to include a longer piece by Ibrahim Mahawi, a Palestinian-Scot, but it is three pages of prose.] Rod Smith TED’S HEAD So there’s this episode of Mary Tyler Moore where Ted’s trying to get a raise & after finagling and shenaniganizing he puts one over on Lou & gets his contract changed to non-exclusive sos he can do commercials which is not cool WI Lou & the gang because Ted’s just a brainless gimp & it hurts the image of the news to have the anchorman selling tomato slicers & dogfood so Lou gets despondent because the contract can’t be rescinded but then he gets mad & calls Ted into his office & says, you know his voice, “You’re going to stop doing commercials, Ted” & Ted says “why would I do that Lou?” & Lou says ‘Because if you don’t I’ll punch your face out” & Ted says “I’ll have you arrested” & Lou says “It’ll be too late, your face will be broken, you’re not gonna get too many commercials with a broken face now are you Ted?” & Ted buckles under to force & everybody loves it that Lou’s not despondent anymore he’s back to his brustling chubby loud loveable whiskey-drinking football-loving ways. Now imagine if Ted were Lou, if Ted were the boss. You know how incredibly fucking brainless Ted is, but let’s imagine he understands & is willing to use force. That’s the situation we’re now in as Americans. Joanne Kyger DEEPLY IMMORAL ARROGANT AND IGNORANT For this you get a degree in the government of My World My Rules Here’s some of the buzz words — Foolhardy and Inexplicable The current president has been called ‘a craven coward’ by the female senator from California and it’s only May 2001! And now still almost a Constant Sense of Outrage Corporate capitalist oligarchies own the war Feel Terrified? The ‘war’ Can go where it wants, when it wants with bizarre expansions Endless war fear hysteria. Great There is NEVER an end to profit. There is NEVER enough There are no ‘acceptable losses’ when it means more ‘money’ There is no end to profit There is NEVER enough That said again, do we enumerate the stunningly horrible ‘My Way or No Way’ direction of the Bushies in the world and start gnashing teeth and going ga-ga But there’s the voice of the people’ isn’t there? I hear articulate political observation that hasn’t collapsed into goofy anxious patriotism that informs and lifts the veil of secrecy ‘The state of the union is none of your business’ says the Vice Evil Terrorism or Live Rebellion? always just out of reach except for the kid from Mann Terrorist weather yesterday heavy frost and snow collateral damage to the lemons and baby Bok Choy But what about all the hot air produced? At least I enumerate with outrage At least I must articulate At least I know what’s wrong Read the Tao February 27, 2002 Harryette Mullen LAND OF THE DISCOUNT PRICE, HOME OF THE BRAND NAME My large magnetic card flag proudly displays Old Glory as I drive to Family Dollar for the makings of a Fourth of July picnic. I pledge allegiance to my MasterCard that is honored in more stores than American Express. Oh beautiful, those spacious aisles stacked with seasonal items! My country, ‘tis of thee, sweet land of Lipton instant tea! I cut out a great recipe I found in the Sunday paper. A Betsy Ross rectangular cake covered with strawberries, blueberries, and Cool Whip, with a coupon for the Cool Whip. On Independence Day, our all-American front porch shows our true colors With patriotic bunting and bows, only $3.99 a yard (reg. $4.99). Our backyard guests sit at our holiday picnic table, thematically decorated with 10 oz. Stars and Stripes plastic tumblers, matching table runner, paper plates and napkins from Dixie Cup. As my hubby grills the red meat and toasts the white buns under a blue sky, our son shows the neighbor kids his World Peacekeepers Patriot Soldier, a twelve-inch fully poseable action figure that plays the national anthem. Tom Raworth OZYMANDIAS when someone in virginia looks at an image from a drone over afghanistan programmed to seek males over six feet two where they shouldn’t be in farming country presses a button and blows them to jelly blobs you know the safe u.s. warrior in that hi-tech exoskeleton is not seeing beneath nightscope gaze its bootlaces being tied together by tiny naked hands Fanny Howe LITTLE WRONGS When the cold-blooded are proved right — judgment secure — case complete we will first see a tangle of close-ups — gourd and gold and apples still rotten rugosa roses down to three petals only and each holocaust will be an ant-heap All the little wrongs will come into focus But who will be glad about this? --- Even the bigamists who thought they were splitting each lie into fragments too small to be located might find their trail is following them And the short-sighted whose faces are a blur of glee may begin to establish shapes around pockets of light and air in the thicket they are part of but they won’t sense the force that gathers those shapes into actual consequence until they themselves can’t go forward And neither will the hesitant experience their weakness as an ability until it gathers into a body of uncertainties that has influence When the one big cruelty comes down on us out of a seeming emptiness it will be a helium packed with the force of freely given evasions so if some still believe that the cold-blooded alone are responsible for this power how will they show that it came from elsewhere Nothing has increased -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.21 http://www.movabletype.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:33:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: HOAX ALERT: IMPORTANT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear subscribers, A number of messages from Loriemerson1@aol.com have been sent to individual list members; these messages appear to be back-channels from the poetics listserv moderator. 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All the best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:07:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: test In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit test ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:21:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Fw: [New-Poetry] A Question of Style (& Health) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT probably not netiquettey correct but i sit here in awe at the ironies and biases stirred yp by the wardrums and the news the 101st is movubg. [completely unpprocessed cognitvely] tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Snider" To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [New-Poetry] A Question of Style (& Health) > > On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 12:53PM, Barry Spacks wrote: > > >Can we ever take a stand yet not bestink the air with self-righteousness? > > Slate today asks "Is there any real difference between a bigoted versifier and a redneck BBQ chef" > > http://slate.msn.com/id/2079058/ > _______________________________________________ > New-Poetry mailing list > New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu > http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:06:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 23 Feb 2003 to 24 Feb 2003 (#2003-56) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Now, what female poets are we gonna compare to Whitman? Stein & Anne Waldman, both different from each other as they are from old Walt, somehow leap to mind. >Mark DuCharme Adah Isaacs Mencken (1835-1868), actress and poet whose father was probably a "free Negro" in antebellum New Orleans, was friends with Walt Whitman. She was among the first poets (if not _the_ first poet) to be influenced by his work. Her one volume is _Infelicia_. Some of her poems are bold, brassy, and feminist ("I Am Judith!" for example), and worth a look. Here's a website (deals more with her life as a celebrity than as a poet, though). A fascinating person. http://www.sfmuseum.org/bio/adah.html Camille ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 13:48:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sylvester pollet Subject: New Signs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd like to see us come up with some new signs for the next marches & protests. Maybe we could get a useful thread going. Here's one: Bush, Read faster, or skip ahead to the New Testament! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 21:31:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: "FEMALE HORSE FASTENED WITH WAX" / "BITE THE WAX TADPOLE" (Chinese) Comments: To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" In-Reply-To: <002901c2e02c$e90818c0$f650fea9@LakeyTeasdale> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "FEMALE HORSE FASTENED WITH WAX" / "BITE THE WAX TADPOLE" from http://www.urbanlegends.com/products/coca-cola/coca-cola_chinese.html It was obvious that the Coca-Cola trademark had to be transliterated into Chinese characters in order to reach the millions in the market. Chinese, both written and spoken, is so completely alien to any European language that the simplest foreign word or term is a tongue twister to the Chinese. To find the nearest phonetic equivalent to Coca-Cola required a separate Chinese character for each of the four syllables. Out of the 40,000 or so characters there are only about 200 that are pronounced with the sounds we needed and many of these had to be avoided because of their meaning. While doing the research for four suitable characters we found that a number of shopkeepers had also been looking for Chinese equivalents for "Coca-Cola" but with weird results. Some had made crude signs that were absurd in the extreme, adopting any old group of characters that sounded remotely like "Coca-Cola" without giving a thought as to the meaning of the characters used. One of these homemade signs sounded like "Coca-Cola" when pronounced but the meaning of the characters came out something like "female horse fastened with wax" and another "bite the wax tadpole". The character for wax, pronounced La, appeared in both signs because that was the sound these untutored sign makers were looking for. Any Chinese reading the signs would recognize them as a crude attempt to make up an arbitrary phonetic combination. Although we were primarily concerned with the phonetic equivalent of "Coca-Cola", we could not ignore the meaning of the characters, individually and collectively, as the free-wheeling sign makers had done. The closet Mandarin equivalent to "Coca-Cola" we could find was K'o K'ou K'o Le^. The aspirates (designated by ') are necessary to approximate the English sounds. There is no suitable character pronounced La in Chinese so we compromised on Le^ (joy) which is approximately pronounced ler. We chose the Mandarin because this dialect is spoken by the great majority of Chinese. Incidentally, Chinese has to be interpreted into English rather than translated, and vice versa. All Chinese characters have more than one meaning but the [four chosen] (depending on context) commonly mean: K'o = To permit, be able, may, can K'ou = Mouth, hole, pass, harbor K'o = as above Le^ = Joy, to rejoice, to laugh, to be happy It would seem that the Chinese trademark means to permit mouth to be able to rejoice -- or something palatable from which one derives pleasure. Not once in ten million times could a company literally pronounce their trademark in English and have the sounds mean something desirable in the Chinese language. The mainland of China is out of the market indefinitely but fortunately most of the 2,000,000 Chinese in Hong Kong and the 9,000,000 in Taiwan understand Mandarin. Even the 10,000,000 overseas Chinese, who mostly speak Cantonese or Fukienese, realize that K'o K'ou K'o Le^ is the Mandarin Chinese trademark for "Coca-Cola". __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:47:49 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Silverpoints Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed du mouvement et de l'immobilité de Virginie, plus Arabe qu'en Arabie: Comrade V's minty-fresh breath is certain to outlast the Catastrophe & waft o'er the ashes of the Moon "poison" to her is Heavenly for "forest" keep your wishes all North scrimshanker the bosoms Lazily Fingernails, go the and steal some shepherds them damned, us damned, you is conquered completely to snake today the Lion at the giants ("No, immortality continues the upsidedown) the split in Lion's bandage turns bugle, O skin that rocks the milk _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:13:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Viet-Nam Memorial Wrapped Comments: To: Gleditor@aol.com, sandrasphillips@hotmail.com, pearlipog@hotmail.com, barichbill@hotmail.com, lisbeth haas , Leigh Hyams , Jeffrey Fraenkel , D G & C V Kennedy Comments: cc: Wendy Miller , stefanie , Maria Damon , Jerry Martien , GloriaFrym@cs.com, cwarnock@ebrary.com, Todd Swift , Susan Schwartzenberg , Summi Kaipa , Steve Woodall , Steve Dickison , Ron , Rod Kirk , Rikamler@aol.com, Reid Yalom , poltroon , Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Mylesaudio@aol.com, mIEKAL aND , Michael Rothenberg , Mark Weiss , LynHejinian@cs.com, Leah Garchik , Larry Felson , Judith Coburn , JoyaCo@aol.com, John Norton , Howard Junker , Howard Junker , Hal Hughes , Ellen Zweig , "Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org" , Donald Neuwirth , Diane DiPrima , David Gitin , Dan Leegant , dan hubig , ClrHenry@aol.com, Cliff Stanley , Carla Harryman , Carl Mautz , Bruce Ackley , "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" , Barrett Watten , Amy Trachtenberg , ADCOLMAN@aol.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT (International Press, March 2, 2003) At six-thirty this morning - as the sun was about to rise - Park Rangers discovered the Viet-Nam Memorial to be covered end to end with a layering of white tarps. "NO WAR IN IRAQ" was spelled out in large, lavender colored, block letters. "In the early light, the shape of the Memorial looked like the covered wing span - tip to tip - of a B-52 bomber," one of the Rangers reported. Asked how it was done, he said, "In front, the layered tarps were sealed together with re-enforced duct tape. On the backside, the riveted edges of the tarps were pulled back over the grass with white ropes and carefully tied and staked into the ground." "It made it impossible to see the names of any of the dead," the Ranger added. At the White House, Ari Fleisher would only comment, "This is one more example of the lies and deception practiced by those who are against this war." Rangers were ordered to quickly remove the tarps before the media could be notified and either photograph or film the wrapped Memorial. "The refusal to notify the Press was done for Security reasons," the White House reported and would make no further comment.. This is the first time the Memorial has ever been used as a protest site against a projected war. No one has yet to claim responsibility for the Memorial wrapping. The Christos - famous for wrapping public sites - were reported to be out doing research for their new project in Central Park and not available for comment. on 3/2/03 4:53 AM, pleighton@att.net at pleighton@att.net wrote: > Hi Steve, > Just the last few days I feel I am starting to feel myself - began to wonder > if I would ever get my energy and health back! > That's the end of the cigs for me, as a precaution for the future. > > Going back via Uk as I came, then have to see if I can get my ticket re- > instated to the US. > > Glad to hear things are cooling down a little re world concerns - a stressful > time. > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:05:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: gudding reading @ Univ of Illinois (Champ/Urban) Comments: cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed +*+*+*+*+*+*+* I will read this Monday, March 3rd at 4PM, in the university bookstore of the University of Illinois (Champaign/Urbana campus) This reading is free and open to the public. Republicans can attend if they want. G Gudding _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 23:47:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Queensland Poetry Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear JFK, I don't believe we've corresponded before. I'll introduce myself,but first let me say that I've never read in Australia--never have been to Austraia--though I have a long history of poetic involvement there, dating back to a friendship with Kris Hemmensley in the 70s. A Google search will provide you with useful information. I've published more than 30 books, mostly of poetry but also a short story collection,a novel, and a novella. I would like to participate in your festival, very much. For 30 years I taught poetry and poetry-writing at UC Berkeley, Sonoma State Univ., and the Univ. of San Francisco, as well as for shorter spells at other venues,among these the Royaumont Foundation in Paris and the Jack Kerouac School at Naropa. Is there any way that I can get at least a portion of my expenses paid for what must be a costly trip--I live in California, just outside of San Francisco? I have just published a new book of poems, AS IN T AS IN TETHER, a copy whiich I'd be pleased to send you. Sincerely, David Bromige. AAa -----Original Message----- From: JFK To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Queensland Poetry Festival >Anyone coming to Australia who will be in Brisbane between September 7-14 >who is interested in submitting to be a part of the QPF 2003 festival, >please BC me. > >Best wishes >Jayne Fenton Keane >Co-Director Queensland Poetry Festival >Founding Director National Poetry Week > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:45:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: Jack of Hearts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack of Hearts Full, complete, swift, and decisive: The die has been cast In the United States it is taken as axiomatic that America is a country that faces up to evildoers, while those sniveling old Europeans just don't "WMAP did not shed much light on the nature of the dark energy or dark matter. Cold dark matter does not interact with light and dark energy is a repulsive force" "The man in the hat could be the new sheriff - read 'tough.' He could be a rancher - read 'independent.' Or he could be an ordinary cowpoke - regular folk like you and me whittling away at his problems with unthreatening genius" Papa was meant to hone the moon during his hunch to the edifice of the Loan Owner's Home. If he had not proceeded in getting another pretension, they would believe this hiss in which they had loved for more than fortress tears. There was little title hype. The Lone Owner's Home was hired. They sit caking their laps I live in a battlefield? Not on the head of a pin, an unrequited tax return, nor a return to barbarism, bigger nations bullying smaller, that has nothing to do with a hairline shyer with every passing year, or tear, if the eyes have it. The report begs for a shift in policy, possibly avoiding as idiocy that persists, leads one thought to innumerable, inseparable actions, until no one thinks a gain Church said the dust, the patina of dust from 9-11, covered, for awhile, the differences we pay too much attention to. Church said trauma and drama. Church said freedom is moral, amoral, or immoral according to its applications. Church said American history is a process of matching our deeds to our creed: e pluribus unum. Church said that there are 1.6 trillion stars to one human. 1.6,000,000,000,000. How's that for dust. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:37:02 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: article re. Kurds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well it looks like the Kurds have been sold down the river. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8113-2003Feb26.html -- Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 20:04:30 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Happy Birthday to Us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Happy Birthday to Us (Setting: The Yellow House Briefing Room. The room is a mix of a stately Federalist-style reception hall and television talk show studio. The President of the Free World, the dominant country on Earth, is about to make a special announcement to his constituents across the globe. A group of about 30 journalists are assembled there to witness the President's speech, along with some television cameras.) Announcer: Ladies and gentleman, The President of the Free World. Please rise. (Enter, stage right, the President of the Free World. He looks past the small crowd of journalists present in the briefing room and waves as if greeting a much larger crowd behind them, a crowd that we can see is that simply isn't there. He then sits down at a desk that faces the crowd. He gently indicates to the crowd, both real and imaginary, to sit down as well through small reassuring hand gestures. A large television camera is rolled into position directly in front of the President, blocking the view of most of the people assembled in the room. He picks up some blank sheets of paper before him and then begins reading from a teleprompter located behind the camera. The President begins to speak, slowly, carefully while wearing a slight grin--"a twinkle in his eye.") Mr. President: Good evening, people of the Free World. I come to you today to sit down and speak with you about the importance of a resource so precious, so sacred, we all must do our part to ensure people everywhere are able to enjoy that resource. As the leader of the free world, I have decided that from this day forward, every day is your birthday. That's right--every day is your birthday. Every day is my birthday. Every day is our birthday, and every day will remain our birthday so as long as we remain free. I promise to make each new day a birthday for all freedom-loving people of the The Free World. Every day will be an opportunity for rebirth, for spiritual renewal, for love and joy and singing happy birthday and bringing that wonderful melody to all the people of the world who are not so fortunate as to be allowed to make every day their birthday. (reassuringly) So today is your birthday. Every day is your birthday. Today is my birthday. Every day is my birthday. Happy Birthday to everyone. Happy birthday to the Free World. I want to wish happy birthday today to Elmira Campbell of Lexington, Kentucky. Happy birthday to Carlito Guenaras of Conception, Paraguay. Happy birthday to Albrecht Pfeifer of Obertraun, Austria. Happy birthday to Hatta Sudiro of Salatiga, Indonesia. Happy birthday to Joabim Mercado of Sao Paolo, Brazil. Happy birthday to Ntele Shimango of Benin, Nigeria. To Isaac Schomberg of Jenin, Israel. To Patrick MacPherson of Glasgow, Scotland. Yes, happy birthday to all of us. I wish each and every one of us all a happy birthday. (indignence) For some, however, each day means bearing the heavy burden of not having the freedom to make every day their birthday. For Zeng Xiaodao of Shanghai, it is not his birthday today. He is 64 years and 231 days today. Neither is it the birthday of Tariq el-Aziz of Basra, Iraq. He is 32 years, 21 days old today. And then there's little Juanita Santiago of Buenovanita, Colombia, who will go to bed never never having the freedom today to hear the sweet tones of the "Happy Birthday" song. Juanita is 9 years, 137 days old today. It will be our mission, then, as a free people, as citizens of the Free World, to bring freedom and birthdays to every man woman and child on this God-given great Earth. After all, who could possibly say no to birthdays? What sort of evil hate-filled soul could dare spoil the wonder of celebrating a birthday? Let us not kid ourselves. Such people are among us, lurking in the shadows of the Free World, doing everything in their power to prevent all human being from celebrating their birthdays every day. We as a free people at this moment resolve to make sure that everyone has the right to be free to celebrate his birthday every day. We must rise from the ashes of yesterday's tragedies and stand poised on the brink of a glorious new day for the whole world. We must be ready to face the challenge of bringing birthdays to all nations and all peoples, of every creed, color, and tongue--even those who have never experienced the joys of tearing open brightly colored gift paper, of extinguishing the fires of gently burning birthday candles, of slicing open a birthday cake still warm from the oven, of taking that first moist bite, of hearing even the first notes of the greatest song of freedom: Happy Birthday. We must ask ourselves, then, not whether the Free World can sing happy birthday to us, but whether we can sing the Free World happy birthday. (The president then stands, loosens his tie and begins to sing and dance, Broadway style...) So happy birthday to me. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to me and you. Happy birthday to us. We are glad to be free. It's a birthday for me. It's the birthday of humanity. It's our birthday, can't you see? Why do so many people fuss? Why do so many spit and cuss? Why not hop on the birthday bus? Happy birthday to us. When the morning brings the sun, Its warm ra-di-a-tion, Birthdays free or by a gentle gun. Your birthday freedom is hard-won. So it's a great day to be free. Let's hang evil from a tree. Birthdays set the whole world free. So happy birthday from me. So happy birthday to me. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to me and you. Happy birthday to us. (Sits down again, straightens his tie, and returns to his speech-making voice): Thank you, God bless, and happy birthday. END Patrick Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !Getting Close Is What! ! We're All About(TM) ! !http://proximate.org/! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:03:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: derek beaulieu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PLEASE CIRCULATE FREELY: this is an open invitation to contribute to=20 5'9" an assembled magazine whereby every page is created in an=20 edition of 30 copies by the contributors=20 and then gather and bound (every 25 contributors). contributions can be multiples, rubberstamp, handprinted, painted, = collaged, or anything else (use your imagination). there is no = restriction on subject matter. every contributor will receive a copy of = the edition in which they appear. 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Ann Simon died in her home in Berkeley this past Monday, February 24, surrounded by family and friends to the last. Her last word, I am told, was "yum." Ann was overcome suddenly by a cancer which she had been fighting for the past year. She was very private and very dear, and will be dear always to everyone who knows her or her work. There is a memorial celebration of Ann's life planned for today (Saturday March 1) at the Black Box Theater in Oakland. This is at 1928 Telegraph Avenue, across from the old Fox Theater. From noon to 3 there will be remembrances and performances in Ann's memory, giving way to a more informal gathering which will go until 6 or so. Bay Area list-members reading this late, I'm sorry. I'm not even sure that's the year she was born. But anyone reading this today who can make it to downtown Oakland will be welcomed and, I think, comforted even. My heart to everyone this message touches. David Larsen ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 14:18:08 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Robert Creeley in Alabama MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I made no attempt to correct errors in the original, as will be evident to Mr. Hamilton. There's a nice picture of Bob on the website, Ron From Dateline Alabama http://www.datelinealabama.com/article/2003/02/22/3859_arts_art.php3 Creeley discusses an anti-war group, penises and poetry Robert Creeley spoke with students Thursday night and Friday afternoon about topics ranging from World War II to poetry to old age. -- Lance Orr, senior staff reporter Renowned poet Robert Creeley visited the UA campus Thursday and Friday to lecture and do a poetry reading. Photo by Lindsey Herring. Robert Creeley, one of America's most widely known and influential poets, held a reading Feb. 20 at the University of Alabama's Mary Alston Hall. Throughout the reading, Creeley spent much time talking about his involvement with the "Poets Against the War" group and his experiences while serving as an ambulance driver in Burma during World War II. "Poets Against the War" is a group founded by Sam Hamilton that is attempting to martial off what they see as a forthcoming war with Iraq. "'The Poets against the War' [came together] to make a modest, but heartfelt commitment, to why to why this country is going to war against Iraq," Creeley said. Creeley said that, judging from his own experiences in WWII, war is, disbarring the tragedies, "like some awful black comedy." Creeley called war "impractical," because "you only get one life." "World War II [was] a righteous war...but seemed ridiculous," Creeley said. After such a serious topic, Creeley lightened the crowd's mood by reading a poem about how one's body changes as it ages. He then relayed a story about why he wrote it. Creeley said that after age 50 or so, "you find you are no longer the person you knew yourself to be." Creeley earned a laugh from the crowd when he said that once you reach a certain age it is hard "to expel fluid entirely from the penis," and that is why "old men often have pee stains on their underwear." Creeley's poem-which he interrupted at numerous points to regal the crowd with a story about how his doctor told him how to strip the last remnants of urine from the penis (it involved the phrase, "so now you stand at a public toilet seemingly playing with yourself")-began as a joke, but ended as a cry for people not to put their again loved ones into care facilities. Creeley ended the reading at 8:50 p.m. with "What time is it? Time to go to bed?" He met with students the next day at noon in room 301 of UA's Morgan Hall. In the afternoon session, Creeley answered questions from the gathered crowd about his life, writing and what he thought of the world today. Creeley said that he had never intended to be a poet, but had begun his writing career wanting to write story stories and novels. "It was not that I didn't trust poetry...but it was too simple. I wrote it easily," Creeley said. The "wrote it easily" comment was a reference to how Creeley said he never revises his works. "I can't re-see it. The material has gone stiff," Creeley said, as a reason for why he does not revise. Creeley also said it was his fear of the empty page that made him not take up prose writing as enthusiastically as he did poetry. "[I'm] threatened like a guinea pig of open spaces," Creeley said. Creeley spoke at length about his own education and his 30 years of teaching at the State University of New York in Buffalo. Creeley was raised in New England and said much of his linguistic skill was owed to his enthusiastic reading and young study of Latin. "I liked Latin. One could muse on it. Think about it," Creeley said. Creeley also said he thought it was his differences - he lost an eye at age 4 - and his peculiar look at the term "imagination" that also led to his success as a poet. Creeley quoted fellow poet William Carlos Williams by saying, "Imagination is the only thing that is real." An audience member asked Creeley to explain how imagination affects writing and what the true nature of it is. "Do you have imagination?" Creeley asked. "Yes, I just don't know what it is sometimes," the audience member answered. "Anybody got a dictionary?" Creeley said and laughed. "That's how it is sometimes," Creeley said. "When I looked up poet in the dictionary, it said somebody who writes poems. When I looked up poems it said something written by a poet. Some things are hard to quantify and understand." This story was edited by Lance Orr, lorr@Comcast.net, and edited by Laura DiBlasi, dibla002@bama.ua.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:12:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Re: Of Silliman's Blog, but really a continuation of the original direction although i don't care one way or the other who is caught in your nets i mean they're your nets man! In-Reply-To: <6F8F1936.7F9A1D1F.01F36A84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Dear CA, "Relax" -- interesting choice of words! When I read your posts, man, I can almost see the veins popping out on your forehead. But I got nothing against righteous anger slash inspired lunacy, I really don't. I like Artaud as much as the next guy. I just don't think that when Nietzsche talked about philosophizing with a hammer he had Tonya Harding in mind. That said, my own listserv experience started with a couple of heavy academic lists. Talk about the school of quietude -- I'll take the rowdy bastards around here any day. Yours, Damian On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:03:01 -0500 Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > Damian, you really need to relax. protocol is so tedious. if poetry were really as boring as some try to make it i think i'd have to kill myself as soon as possible! > > Jim, you need to know that there are some of us out here who support you! i really feel you're building some sort of momentum, and FRANKLY, who CARES if people are creeped out! big deal! people can just ignore your posts if they're SO DISTURBED! (it cracks me up over and over to be honest, all the visual, the shock and horror that Jim is DOING something DIFFERENT! so so scary!) > > i mean, is this list for poets or pastry chefs? actually i dated a pastry chef once and he was a mean muther, but fun, for a couple weeks, grrrrrr! > > i applaud your direction, no matter how jagged you open the ground. > > cut your way man, there's always something BRAND NEW out there, and sitting back sipping the martinis of dead bartenders is really what it's not about you know. > > sincerely, > CAConrad > > > In a message dated 2/26/2003 3:26:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, djr4r@CMS.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU writes: > > > > > > > Jim: > > > > Anger has its uses, but why not a more substantive > > critique? I doubt you're going to convince very many people > > that Ron Silliman exercises some kind of poetical hegemony > > just by virtue of the fact that he knows a lot of stuff and > > likes to write about it on a blog that one can, after all, > > take or leave. Frankly, this fuck-your-heroes stuff is > > getting creepy -- so much "jackal static," to use your own > > phrase. > > > > Damian > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:33:29 -0500 Jim Behrle > > wrote: > > > > > What role does sanctimony have in innovative poetry? > > > > > > --Jim Behrle > > > > > > http://notronsilliman.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with > MSN > 8. > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::: > Damian Judge Rollison > > Dept. of English > University of Virginia > > djr4r@virginia.edu > :::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 04:01:51 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: legs blown off.. Comments: cc: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit legs blown off.. legs blown off is to hobble for poker tonight we give him cyborg legs with a free prostitute at McDonalds He drinks until his belly sags television propagandanvil his arm drawn up like a claw and twitching his beard clumpy indistinct, you say "mad" and there is a mosaic of his pills, he does not take them a mosaic of funny little pills, who approved them who made them, what do they really do, he asks the spittle flying from his mouth forming tiny globular scenes, flag being raised at iwo jima a peace-sign waving nixon, a cigar entering a young vagina legs blown off is to hobble for cinema tonight his 37 mothers drape their bloody batwings around him his father installs a giant eardrum in the bathroom at McDonalds He smokes until lungs grow eyes, bleeding languages from his blinking nipples his arm drawn up like a poker, digging in the ashes with his best friend's femur bone looking for a can of vienna sausage and there on the battlefield a mosaic of bones, he does not take them for they are a perfect picture, and natural "this happens about every 5 or 10 years now.." Nelly is playing among the John-quills... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:18:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: short POG questionnaire Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friend of POG: I'm hoping you'll be willing to fill out a short email questionnaire about POG's recent programming. Audience feedback is an important part of POG's program planning; it's also important that our grant applications document this dimension of our programming. so: if you're willing to fill out a short questionnaire, please email me at mailto:pog@gopog.org and I'll send you the email questionnaire form to complete and email back to me. We'd like to tally the questionnaires within the next two weeks, so the sooner the better! thanks for your time, and for your interest in POG. Tenney Nathanson for POG mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:10:19 +1100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: geraldine mckenzie Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Hilton Obenzinger >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 > >Fellow Legislators, > >When Shelley wrote "unacknowledged legislators" the term "legislator" did >not mean a Senator or MP; it arose from the French Revolution and it meant >a visionary, a charismatic leader who could lead humanity through the >perception of reason and brilliance of rhetoric. It is more the visionary >revolutionary, such as embodied in the poem "Queen Mab." Or take a look at >Volney's "Ruins of Empire," the main pre-Marx text of the revolutionary >movement. Now does the phrase make sense? > >Hilton Obenzinger > > While I appreciate the importance of understanding what Shelley meant, my feeling is that, so like many popular quotations, this one appears so often shorn of context that it's taken on another life. The meaning intended by a writer is not always the meaning readers/ listeners construe. If we do read legislators as visionary revolutionaries, I still have trouble accepting this statement. True of a minority but can't the rest of us be content with the humbler designation of the scientist who makes and tests hypotheses? And even that doesn't seem adequate to the range of endeavours comprised by poetry. Geraldine _________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 09:16:37 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Shades of Sicily 1944 CIA, State Department Hire Thugs To Discredit da Silva: Comments: To: working-class-list@listserv.liunet.edu, Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Shades of Sicily 1944 CIA, State Department Hire Thugs To Discredit da Silva: Agency Casts 'Seaside Freddy' In Role of OSS's Lucky Luciano: Brazil Orders Troops Into Rio's Streets By PETER MEALY Assassinated Press Writer They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:27:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Fwd: track record Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-Sender: clpeters@popserver.sfu.ca >To: english-dept@sfu.ca >From: clpeters@sfu.ca >Subject: track record >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:30:43 -0800 >Reply-To: clpeters@sfu.ca >X-Spam-Level: Spam-Level > > > > Some questions you won't find in trivial pursuit... >>> > > > 1) Which is the only country in the world to have dropped >>>bombs on over > twenty different countries since 1945? >>> > > >2) Which is the only country to have used nuclear weapons? >>> > > > 3) Which country was responsible for a car bomb which killed >>>80 civilians > in Beirut in 1985, in a botched assassination attempt, thereby >>>making it > the most lethal terrorist bombing in modern Middle East >>>history? >>> > > > 4) Which country's illegal bombing of Libya in 1986 was >>>described by the >>> >UN > Legal Committee as a "classic case" of terrorism? >>> > > >> 5) Which country rejected the order of the International Court >>>of Justice >> (ICJ) to terminate its "unlawful use of force" against >>>Nicaragua in 1986, >> and then vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on >> all states to observe international law? >>> > > >> 6) Which country was accused by a UN-sponsored truth >>>commission of >> providing "direct and indirect support" for "acts of genocide" >>>against the > Mayan Indians in Guatemala during the 1980s? >>> > > > 7) Which country unilaterally withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic >>>Missile >> (ABM) Treaty in December 2001? >>> > > >> 8) Which country renounced the efforts to negotiate a >>>verification process >> for the Biological Weapons Convention and brought an >>>international >> conference on the matter to a halt in July 2001? >>> > > > 9) Which country prevented the United Nations from curbing the >>>gun trade >>> >at >> a small arms conference in July 2001? >>> > > >> 10) Aside from Somalia, which is the only other country in the >>>world to >> have refused to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the >>>Child? >>> > > >>> 11) Which is the only Western country which allows the death >>>penalty to be >>> applied to children? >>> > > >>> 12) Which is the only G7 country to have refused to sign the >>>1997 Mine Ban >>> Treaty, forbidding the use of landmines? >>> > > >> 13) Which is the only G7 country to have voted against the >>>creation of the >> International Criminal Court (ICC) in 1998? >>> > > >> 14) Which was the only other country to join with Israel in >>>opposing a >>1987 >> General Assembly resolution condemning international >>>terrorism? >>> > > >> 15) Which country refuses to fully pay its debts to the United >>>Nations yet >> reserves its right to veto United Nations resolutions? > >> > > > > >> Answer to all 15 questions: The United States of America. -- George Bowering Moustache still on Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:53:41 +0200 Reply-To: xstream@xpressed.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Organization: xStream Subject: xStream #8 online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" xStream -- Issue #8 xStream Issue #8 is online, again in three parts: 1. Regular: Works from 6 poets (Andrew French, Vernon Frazer, Steven Timm, Andrew Topel, Sherman Souther, Jesse Glass) 2. Autoissue: Poems generated by computer from Issue #8 texts, the whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", every refresh. 3. Collaborative Issue: with Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino, also real-time. Submissions are welcome, please send to xstream@xpressed.org. Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:17:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: subrosa@SPEAKEASY.ORG Subject: Subtext presents Rhoda ROSENFELD & April DENONNO on March 5th (fwd) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with readings by Rhoda Rosenfeld and April DeNonno at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, March 5, 2003. Suggested donations for admission are $5 at the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Rhoda Rosenfeld was born in Montreal and grew up in Quebec in the "la noirceur" era. She was a young adult during the time of the Quiet Revolution. In Vancouver since 1968, she is involved in both the visual arts and literary communities. Her art has been exhibited at the Contemporary Art Gallery, the Gallery Project at Britannia Library and the UBC Fine Arts Gallery. Her poems have appeared in West Coast Line, Raddle Moon, W and most recently online in The News, at: http:/www.interchange.ubc.ca/quareterm/The News.htm April DeNonno is a Humanities and Sciences instructor at Cornish College of the Arts where she teaches contemporary literature, film, and cultural studies. Her Ph.D. dissertation from the University of Washington is titled "Model Thinking: The Posthuman Subject in John Ashbery's Poetry." Recent poems have appeared in the literary magazines MONKEY PUZZLE, FACTURE, and FINE MADNESS. The future Subtext 2003 schedule is: April 2 - Kari Edwards (from San Francisco) & Rebecca Brown May 7 - Rae Armantrout (from San Diego) and TBA For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/subtext. Subtext events are co-sponsored by Richard Hugo House. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:49:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Re: Frances Chung's work In-Reply-To: <200302280505.VAA23271@sparkie.humnet.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Stephen: Thank you. I originally wrote "BUT from the seamstresses' point of view...," but figured you wd pick up the implication w/o it and you did. Chung passed away in 1990 at the age of 40. Her mother and paternal grandmother worked a total of 70 years in New York sewing factories and participated in the demonstrations of 1982 that won them health insurance, but not measures to insure that employers wd honor minimum-wage laws. The protests helped change the ILGWU's perception of Chinese women factory workers as passive and afraid of opposing Chinatown's power structures. Frances' very concise poetry and prose vignettes dealt w many topics and the forms she used ranged from ravishing haiku to lists of manipulated quotations from a Classical Chinese-English dictionary. I encourage you to read more of her work! There was an appreciative review in the "Books in Brief" section of the NY Times Book Review, at . Btw do you or anyone else on the list have suggestions for how to read the D. H. Lawrence allusion in the part I quoted below ("They sometimes wear cloth masks over their mouths, like doctors in an operating room. (No one has heard of D. H. Lawrence.)")?? --Walter >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:32:47 -0800 >From: Stephen Vincent >Subject: Re: Sewing tags > >Thanks for posting this, Walter. If "we" only knew the conditions of labor >in "our" dreams! Which is "the work" here of Frances Chung "Sew Your Own" >is the guilt free solution - Maria Damon responding that she may >cross-stitch "poetry" into her work - yet, I assume, Chung clearly is much >more interested in transforming the conditions of the work (and not throwing >the people she renders out of work). >Of course my dream of "garment industries in league with anti-war protests" >was probably hopelessly ironic and/or utopic in the first place. > >In any case, it's great to see this work with which I am not familiar. > >Stephen V > > >on 2/27/03 2:07 AM, Walter K. Lew at Lew@HUMNET.UCLA.EDU wrote: > >> Good dream! From the seamstresses' point of view, in this case in >> Lower East Side sweatshops (from _Crazy Melon and Chinese Apple: The >> Poems of Frances Chung_, Wesleyan U. Press, emphasis added): >> >> The noise stops for a brief respite but the sewing activity really >> doesn't. Preparations for the afternoon hours. Folding collars and >> pockets. Knowing both sides of cloth. Tying MANUFACTURER'S LABELS > > THAT YOU CAN'T READ YOURSELF. You have your own identification >> number. Getting your share of the free tea before the supply is >> exhausted. Going to the bathroom of no toilet paper. Punching out. >> Taking out lunch cooked in the morning or food from last night's >> dinner in thermos or baby food jars. The Chinese jars that one can >> recognize by shape. Rice for sustenance. Food from Chinatown and its >> sweet creamy coffee. The latest Glamour styles are sewn for a few >> pennies. Doesn't the dust get into your lungs? What kind of lunch >> hour is this? Thirty minutes. >> [...] >> When the sewing is good (prices are high) at the factory, the women >> are happy. They say that they are eating 'soy sauce chicken.' One >> woman says that she takes the number 11 to work, meaning her two legs. >> >> The factory ladies, grateful for elevators and drafts of fresh air, > > develop a bent back from their positions at work. They sometimes wear >> cloth masks over their mouths, like doctors in an operating room. (No > > one has heard of D. H. Lawrence.) >> >> The threads in your machine are entangled. You have made a mistake >> and must take apart your sewing. Beyond the fire escape you can see >> into other factories, through replicas of your own dust-ridden >> window. Lunchtime is suddenly over. >> >> (Pp. 61-62) >> >>> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:40:44 -0500 >>> From: Nick Piombino >>> Subject: Logo "Poetry" >>> >>>> >>>> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:17:57 -0800 > >>> From: Stephen Vincent >>>> Subject: Logo "Poetry" >>>> >>>> Quite literally had a dream last night in which the garment industries in >>>> league with poets in opposition to the advent of war started >>> sewing "poetry" >>>> tags on to pants, shirts, blouses, etc. >>>> Similar to the old - or maybe it still goes on - little red >>>>"Levis" tags on >>>> jeans. >>> >>> Bravo! >>> > >> -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:07:24 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: Fw: Message ("The distribution of your message dated Fri, 28...") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just wanted to love language in all its carriage returns (viz) and people who are pronouns and the colour of leaping. the distribution of _my message is held, and you are the love of hearing... > The distribution of your message dated Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:04:39 -0500 with > subject "slightly" has been postponed because the POETICS list is held. No > action is required from you; your message will be reprocessed automatically > once the list owner releases the list. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:05:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Lauterbach/Hong March 1 at Bowery Poetry Club Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CATHY PARK HONG and ANN LAUTERBACH SATURDAY, MARCH 1, 4:00 p.m. Bowery Poetry Club/Segue Foundation Reading Series, NYC 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON ****$4 admission goes to support the readers**** For more info: http://www.segue.org/calendar=09 CATHY PARK HONG grew up in LA and now lives in Brooklyn. Her first book=20= of poems, Translating Mo'um, is just out from Hanging Loose Press. =20 When she=92s not busy being a poet, she freelances for the Voice, = Rolling=20 Stone, and other rags. ANN LAUTERBACH is Ruth & David Schwab Prof. of Languages and Lit. at=20 Bard College, where she directs the Writing component of the Avery=20 Graduate School of the arts. Her poetry collections include Clamor,=20 And For Example, On A Stair and If In Time: Selected Poems 1975-2000,=20 all from Penguin. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue=20 Foundation. For more information, please visit www.segue.org/calendar.=20= Curators: Feb.-March by Charles Borkhuis & Dan Machlin, April-May by=20= Rachel Levitsky & Renee Gladman. These events are made possible in part, with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state=20= agency.= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 17:16:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: les beaujolais nouveau n'est pas arrive Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i drink Spanish Australian Wine & Galilee 2000 'sauvignon semillion' straight from the Golan les jours les annees les vins merdes let 'em eat there les mots ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:02:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Gerrit Lansing, Happy Birthday Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Gerrit Lansing's birthday was this week. I know you're lurking out there, G.L.. Much love! See you Saturday! Love. Jim Behrle _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:59:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: The Passion of Dana Gioia MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT 3. The Translation of Dana Gioia to the Head of the NEA Ascent has always been my lot but surely this its highest spot. A prudent rise, and then a whoosh translated by George W. Bush. ---Rodney Koeneke ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 20:04:39 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: slightly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Remember, you with me instead Fagins! Younger poets have you with your hands up, we've got far outweighed by what it takes away. The professionalization of poetry is you is laughable, there is no smaller American payday. The university presents debt-hole, what else is to be done then but poets with a tangible corporate ladder, a way to measure ourselves against one another. But when poets start their young lives in the art in a $40K. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:49:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Pseudononymous Subscriptions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear subscribers, The list has been held for the past two days while we have tried to learn more about the phoney emails from Loriemerson2@aol.com. I would like to make it clear that we strongly discourage, as best we can, pseudononymous subscriptions to the poetics listserv. If you receive emails from someone claiming to be one of the listserv administrators, please do not forward these to the listserv; instead contact us directly through poetics@buffalo.edu (or poetics@acsu.buffalo.edu). Again, I appreciate your patience. Best, Lori Emerson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:37:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Which Way Do The Pockets Point? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed tardy Astraea the Horse-Leech And Lamp-Eyed Mare Head living 'twixt four and six, your fathomed blood flowers their Christ! you're the veins turning dry quarter shapes, O how the Fall harnessed my veins down, slow-rising naked heart turns spider-tongued Napoleon's skullcap is a flat tiger boning me crane-flat beneath the skin, my shabby tail's mechanical fruit gone All Loud Worm - Mr. Hole and the rest of the dead are walking like a mothered Spring, their fingers are now syllabic levers, the sea-gut Summer's tomb weathers the powder of your Sargasso smile, our original fishes’ bough is alight with drowned fuses, the dark her shawl brides is my address, my poison address can dry up any oasis, my promise spat between the blood forks... shows zeroes are only nerves? each tear (baby’s fair frigid) was darkness-froth in tides, these soils rub Devil’s hives tickled tithings O not kissing what’s in the milk and O fetching no string for the blood-multiplying bone berry, Mr. Hole's bright-eyed chiming mouth punctual as The Flood as he chimes: "What wolf threw you, you fool Thessalian?" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:25:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Al Filreis Subject: live webcast with LAURIE ANDERSON Comments: To: andersonfriends@dept.english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you are invited to join us as.... Kelly Writers House Fellows presents a conversation with performance artist LAURIE ANDERSON led by Al Filreis via live webcast 10 AM eastern time - Tuesday - March 25 An avant-garde performance artist with a huge popular reputation, Laurie Anderson has written and performed Stories from the Nerve Bible, her remarkable interpretation of Moby-Dick, and United States (an eight-hour show). She has toured the world many times with shows ranging from relatively simple spoken-word performances to elaborate multimedia events and exhibits. She has shared a stage with Cab Calloway, toured with William Burroughs, studied art history with Meyer Schapiro, and covered a presidential election for NPR. Webcast participants will be able to interact with Laurie Anderson by submitting written questions and by live telephone connection. To participate in the webcast, you will only need to click on a web link. If you rsvp, we will send you the address for that link - and all other simple instructions. RSVP requited - to whfellow@english.upenn.edu. And be sure to specify that you are joining us by webcast. This program is free and open to the public. Kelly Writers House 3805 Locust Walk 215 573-WRIT www.english.upenn.edu/~whfellow Kelly Writers House Fellows, 2003 screenwriter WALTER BERNSTEIN March 18 performance artist LAURIE ANDERSON March 25 essayist & novelist SUSAN SONTAG April 22 Generous support for Writers House Fellows comes from Paul Kelly. previous Writers House Fellows: John Ashbery 2002 Charles Fuller Michael Cunningham June Jordan 2001 David Sedaris Tony Kushner Grace Paley 2000 Robert Creeley John Edgar Wideman Gay Talese 1999 recordings of live webcasts featuring the Fellows can be found here: http://www.english.upenn.edu/~wh/webcasts/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:29:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Dear Damian Judge Rollison MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Damian, what a lovely set of TEETH you have! my FAVORITE thing to do when i was a kid was to run around the barbecue grill squirting lighter fluid on the flames. you know, then relax. by the way, my mother SWEARS i'm not a bastard, but she is a pathological liar, so, maybe you're right. toodles noodle, CAConrad p.s. your Tonya Harding comparison MADE MY DAY! THANX! YIPPIE! In a message dated 2/28/2003 8:12:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, djr4r@CMS.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU writes: > > > Dear CA, > > "Relax" -- interesting choice of words! When I read your > posts, man, I can almost see the veins popping out on your > forehead. But I got nothing against righteous anger slash > inspired lunacy, I really don't. I like Artaud as much as > the next guy. I just don't think that when Nietzsche talked > about philosophizing with a hammer he had Tonya Harding in > mind. > > That said, my own listserv experience started with a couple > of heavy academic lists. Talk about the school of > quietude -- I'll take the rowdy bastards around here any > day. > > Yours, > Damian > > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:03:01 -0500 Craig Allen Conrad > wrote: > > > Damian, you really need to relax. protocol is so tedious. if poetry were really as boring as some try to make it i think i'd have to kill myself as soon as possible! > > > > Jim, you need to know that there are some of us out here who support you! i really feel you're building some sort of momentum, and FRANKLY, who CARES if people are creeped out! big deal! people can just ignore your posts if they're SO DISTURBED! (it cracks me up over and over to be honest, all the visual, the shock and horror that Jim is DOING something DIFFERENT! so so scary!) > > > > i mean, is this list for poets or pastry chefs? actually i dated a pastry chef once and he was a mean muther, but fun, for a couple weeks, grrrrrr! > > > > i applaud your direction, no matter how jagged you open the ground. > > > > cut your way man, there's always something BRAND NEW out there, and sitting back sipping the martinis of dead bartenders is really what it's not about you know. > > > > sincerely, > > CAConrad > > > > > > In a message dated 2/26/2003 3:26:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, djr4r@CMS.MAIL.VIRGINIA.EDU writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Jim: > > > > > > Anger has its uses, but why not a more substantive > > > critique? I doubt you're going to convince very many people > > > that Ron Silliman exercises some kind of poetical hegemony > > > just by virtue of the fact that he knows a lot of stuff and > > > likes to write about it on a blog that one can, after all, > > > take or leave. Frankly, this fuck-your-heroes stuff is > > > getting creepy -- so much "jackal static," to use your own > > > phrase. > > > > > > Damian > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 16:33:29 -0500 Jim Behrle > > > wrote: > > > > > > > What role does sanctimony have in innovative poetry? > > > > > > > > --Jim Behrle > > > > > > > > http://notronsilliman.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with > > MSN > 8. > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > :::::::::::::::::::::::: > Damian Judge Rollison > > > Dept. of English > University of Virginia > > > djr4r@virginia.edu > :::::::::::::::::::::::: > > :::::::::::::::::::::::: > Damian Judge Rollison > Dept. of English > University of Virginia > djr4r@virginia.edu > :::::::::::::::::::::::: p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 02/25/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 14:33:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Rathmann Subject: Re: Maurice Blanchot In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A translation of the obit for those who don't read French. / AR _____ Maurice Blanchot, He Kept to Himself The scribbler, most secret of our era, has died, Thurs 20 Feb, in his cave in the Yveline Mountains, aged 95 years. Author of essays and fictions, father of a most impertinent critique of the 20th century, his analyses permanently irritated Kafka and Holderlin, Bataille and des Forots. Scribbling about soup ladles or Ambiguity, looking into the questions of mind, work, nihilism, hauling in words for interrogation, insisting on literature's "right to die," casting a sidways glance at politics and the world trade in disasters... Blanchot did not invent or christen, authored no systems, no webs to catch the fly of fancy. He looked and acted theoretical, treating literature as a stiff "in critical work of such complete assurance it permitted its own unimportance." "The truth? Nothing could be further from it than authors are. It's being is self-obliteration, but without modesty, so hopped up on itself I don't even know how to say it; it is wrapped in the deafness of thought that drowns out everything else; it's there in the surprised look of the guy who gets an answer he wasn't expecting, and is stressed out by it: why can't you think for yourself? Why go looking for help? Your eyes may be clear, but it's the clarity of a baby's eyes, and babies don't know anything. They look peaceful when they nap because they believe, wrongly, that they are safe." A quote from the first page of The Ass of Man, published 1957, lines which, like a portrait, show us Blanchot's cruelty. Flapping his wings above the monster's maw of existence, Blanchot strove with dementia, at the end of the year 1960, to create a life evermore perfect and empty. With the exception of a rare photograph of him as a boy, in the epoque of Strasbourgian homework with his bud Emanuel Levinas, and a late snapshot of the maestro in the vicinity of Paris, our image of him is of a blanched slate. The scribbler himself was a rigorous expunger of biography. He would neither confirm nor dispute the official version of what he liked to eat for lunch. His amigos, who formed a tight ring of "communidad" around him, respected his weird tics. Roger Laporte, who threw him a famous birthday party in the year 1950 (it was not his birthday), spoke of his "preference for bonbons shaped like Mozart": "A little intimacy with Blanchot went a long way." "Life is nothing but reading books and keeping one's mouth shut," inscribed Blanchot in a copy of his collected works. Born in Squint (Allspice-Lorraine), 22 Sept 1907, to a catholic family. Named for Saint Maurice. Snoozed through philsophy, medicine, psychiatry, beside Roger Laporte, and never could think of a dissertation topic. In Strasbourg: hit it off with Levinas and initiated his studies of the tongues of Husserl and Heidegger. The year 1930: on the edge of French Action, a Young Republican, intense Debater, Combatant, Insurgent, Author of bloody Tracts. A great one for giving the boot to foreigners. He softened up in 1938. With the occupation, joined the Resistance. In 1941 published his first Oeuvres. Won friends. Influenced people. At the end of the war, he wrote: "History ended at Auschwitz. So why are you people still eating cheese and carrying on?" Ending history became his obsession, no, more than that: the _horizon_ (mot perfecte!) of all his subsequent thought. With the end of his youth, he became virulent. He became a redacteur and revolutionary. "We are more than a pest infestation, we are combat ants." One of his last interventions, in the year 1994, was to deride the Right for its refusal to indulge in fatty foods. In all his work, he defended the "bitter nut of solitude in the bonbon of experience": "I play a lot of solitaire. I guess you could say my Oeuvre is solitaire. I've even got it on my palm pilot." Confounder of talking and scribbling, drinker of the elan vitale, transcender of history, a doorway and a wall, mystic, ontologue. Mallarme and Kafka were the ones who had to entertain him most of the time, let him know he wasn't dead yet (though mortal, mortal and solitary!), haunt his dreams, etc. Also Nietzsche, Sade, Rilke: he analyzed the bunch of them, in a manner always unbloused and singular, a real Penseur who cooked up the notion of "literary vacant space (your ad here)." How is scribbling still possible? His question, not mine, posed in 1942 when he and his pals were thinking about getting out of the game. He shows us, in essays, novels, gab, in work that is more and more choppy and piecemeal, the advantage of being inscrutable. It's not the obligation of a paradoxical Frenchman to explain himself. Not the least of his paradoxes was that he left a complete work, an infinite work, riches beyond hope, yet denied the existence of same. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 15:38:12 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: +mystorian extrusions+ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anotha mystoria/next/rusions++"wien bleibt wien" (metonymic tort as re:liminal grammalogue) PiPredparrotory Sd/ataM/ant-r/a: Leather thong can be used to wrap around the handle to give contrast. Finally spray a layer of silicon emulsion over the entire weapon to use odd colors on the non-striking surfaces. Attaching the insulation to the pipe requires glue. To help understand how bonding agents interact with the surfaces being attached, use old slivers of Stick Sunset. Ancient goat herders = discovered the cheese-making process by accident. http://mailbox.univie.ac.at/Wolfgang.Werther/arkivoc-oetzi.html Tw-Ice-needle slips out of groove: __Anom(ali)e)(Park(W)ay]"Its not b(u/e/tter but its different.."].=20 The Technical medusan is not addressed, but undressed. This is sugar extracted from [BUXOM]' clos: =3D=3D First, we extruded a red ground-meat-afro from the Ronald McDonald = Language Puppet, then came the various medusans. _________________________________________________________ Medusan1: This medusan's head is covered in greased eye-sockets.=20 Eyeballs jet from the sockets. This is a low-grade medusa. Recycled. Medusan2: This medusan's head is chemicomechanical and has an array of constantly reconfiguring extrusion ports. The extrusion products are randon combinations of materials but the morphology is always similar,=20 strings of jumbled 3-d letters surrounded by a gelatinous non-toxic chromatic yolk-maa/t/erial. The letter-cores are hard yet = flexible. These are non-edible whip-like letter cores. The letter cores also exhibit a form of = dactylolysis spontanea, bankokerend, sukhapakla, Ainhum, or autoamputation and can be = used=20 for ropes, belts, whips, turbans, and architectural ornamentation. Medusan3: This medusan is spherical and grows golden erectile metallic hair at a = rate of 1' per sec. It also travels at 1.618km/sec and is sometimes=20 called the auricomus glomeroluxuria. Medusan4: This medusan is stationary and is worshipped in a secret=20 grotto dug deep into the *great* crater of Emi Koussi, the highest=20 of the Tibesti mountains of Tchad in the Central Sahara. Its structural iconography is of that found in the "round head"=20 (i.e. 9,000 - 7,000 years ago) style of rock art of the Ennedi=20 region of Tchad, which is related to styles primarily found in=20 Tin-Tazarift at Tassili (Algeria), Tadrart Acacus (Libya), and,=20 to a lesser extent, at Jebel Uweinat (Egypt), but is a completely unique = specimen. This Medusan was carved, or partially carved, and/or augmented by = erosion, in situ,=20 and resembles a giant horned bird-goddess holding what looks=20 to be a large mushroom in her left hand. Ostensibly, the Mushroom=20 "is" the medusan, and extrudes a curly fur of tiny hallucinogenic ice helicites. It seems that beneathe the sacred ikon lies a curious set of=20 circumstances allowing this phenomenon. First, there is a spring and/or and underground reservoir.* Second, the mineral=20 structure of the area restricts evaporation and miraculously forms a = unique conduit up through the goddess' form and out through the "round head" = "mushroom" totem.** Third, the microclimate, and structure of the cave and its altitude all = act in a "geophusic"=20 combination to form extruded icicles, or ice helicites.*** Fourth, a = rare form of=20 underground mycology is present and growing through the same channels=20 as the water/ice being extruded as helicites, or sacred ice-hair.=20 Possibly a psychoactive african cousin of the "Polyporous Lucidus" well = known=20 for its strange morphology in subterranean environs often growing=20 into large globulous cyclinders resembling sheeted ghosts,=20 or smaller, rougher, snow-owls..**** Medusanlogclos. anecr[in+anthro(example) =3D "interrogative geophusis" ----"THE NARBOCLYPSE"---- http://www.comafungi.org/nfufal00.htm http://journals.iranscience.net:800/www.newscientist.com/www.newscientist= .com/lastword/article.jsp@id=3Dlw747 http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mus01.htm http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/img_Emi_Koussi.html Waking: Local people love their land. They are sure that there is no place in = the world like the land of their ancestors. And another thing they love is to welcome guests. *'s=3D=3D=3D *(connection pallette G) **(the LIKE body, see monad@whistle.stop) ***(SKY-PARENT=3Dwindy love, glad of clouds) ****(UC=3Ddivine i7n8t3o1x4i8n9c1a4n3t7a6t7i3o5n2) ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:19:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: near or random acts In-Reply-To: <002701c2dc98$5d121100$ed89869f@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Randolph, I have not been idle. You said I could expand the book, and I set out to write a companion piece to Near or Random Acts. Initially I wanted it also to include 70 sections, and have it closely parallel, even comment on, the first 70. Very quickly, I abandoned that, and made it an entirely different poem, although one that, at least formally, comments on the other, as its 70, far from being the neatly contained parts of the first, are often interrupted by parenthetical remarks, include much of the process of their composition in those remarks, some of which are as mundane as comments on the transition from illegible notebooks to the finished poem, some of which are essential in other ways. I wanted, in some way, to break the surface of the poem, in to the writer and out to the reader. I'm not quite finished, but have only 9 sections (and possible interruptions) left to go. A couple of friends have commented on the work in ways that have helped, and one of those sets of comments I need to go over again and see if it makes me want to change anything else. I'll send the whole to you as soon as I am finished, which should be very soon, perhaps within a week. all best wishes, Charles ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:21:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: short POG questionnaire In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O Poetiques: sorry for the hyper impersonal request below, spammed earlier (meant mostly for people in Tucson). But a number of people on this list have in fact appeared in or attended POG events at least once--so I'm hoping a few people will volunteer to fill out the short survey (to request an email survey, send to mailto:pog@gopog.org ). thanks, Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Tenney Nathanson > Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 2:19 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: short POG questionnaire > > > Dear Friend of POG: > > I'm hoping you'll be willing to fill out a short email questionnaire about > POG's recent programming. > > Audience feedback is an important part of POG's program planning; > it's also > important that our grant applications document this dimension of our > programming. > > so: if you're willing to fill out a short questionnaire, please > email me at > mailto:pog@gopog.org and I'll send you the email questionnaire form to > complete and email back to me. > > We'd like to tally the questionnaires within the next two weeks, so the > sooner the better! > > thanks for your time, and for your interest in POG. > > Tenney Nathanson > for POG > > mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > POG: > mailto:pog@gopog.org > http://www.gopog.org > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:03:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Gerrit Lansing, Happy Birthday In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Gerritt! Gerritt! happy birthday, oh you of the bee-stung lips! At 3:02 PM -0500 2/28/03, Jim Behrle wrote: >Gerrit Lansing's birthday was this week. I know you're lurking out there, >G.L.. Much love! See you Saturday! > >Love. >Jim Behrle > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:33:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: oops In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030302171415.01b1b470@mail.theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Very sorry to have sent a prior message to poetics that was meant for an individual ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:43:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 23 Feb 2003 to 24 Feb 2003 (#2003-56) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I 'm entering this conversation midstream. But wondering why the need to compare? Whitman gives permission for modernisms to exist. He gives us the long-legged line, the possibility of marrying the lyric with the narrative, which in turn takes about 120 years to really produce some fearless poets who are women. When Jose Marti reports on his writing and person to Cuba, he brings him to the Spanish speaking world--surely WW is part of an international lineage. And see Muriel Rukeyser's essay on Whitman, as well as June Jordan's. Levertov owes much to WW. Any of Notley's "Dr. Williams Heiresses," including Bernadette Mayer could be compared, if you really need to. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:35:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Futurepoem @ Center for Book Arts, NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Futurepoem books @ The Center for Book Arts, NYC Friday, March 7, 2003, 7:00 PM CBA Members Free, Non-Members: $5.00 Suggested Donation THE CENTER FOR BOOK ARTS PRESENTS: WRAPPING THE WORD A DISCUSSION ON CONTEMPORARY POETRYAND BOOK DESIGN IN COLLABORATION WITH FUTUREPOEM BOOKS New York, NY--How do/can designers, poets and publishers collaborate to reimagine the contemporary poetry book? This event will be held on Friday, March 7th at 7PM. CBA Members free, non-members a $5 suggested donation. Futurepoem Books is a new Brooklyn-based publishing collective thatpublishes emerging poetic talent and prides itself on a commitment tofine press book design. The event features Dan Machlin, Founder andPublisher of Futurepoem, Anthony Monahan, the Designer who created the visual identity for the press, and two Futurepoem poets - Rachel Levitsky and Garrett Kalleberg. Dan, Anthony, Rachel and Garrett will discuss how they collaborated produce Under the Sun (March 2003, Futurepoem) and Some Mantic Daemons(December2002, Futurepoem) and design issues that arose in response to the need to find an appropriate visual language to communicate the poetic work, to balance cost and impact, to meet today's marketing and distribution requirements, and to develop a consistent visual identity to differentiate the press. For directions or further information, contact email info@centerforbookarts.org or call the Center at 212 481 0295. The Center is located at 28 West 27th Street, on the 3rd floor,between 6th Avenue and Broadway. To get to the Center by train, take the N, R to 28th Street and Broadway; the F to 23rd Street and 6th Avenue; or the 1 or 9 to 28th Street and 7th Avenue. Please call the Center for details on parking in the neighborhood. For further information or to register for workshops and classes, call the Center at (212) 481-0295 or visit www.centerforbookarts.org. ABOUT THE CENTER FOR BOOK ARTS The Center for Book Arts is dedicated to the preservation of thetraditional crafts of bookmaking, as well as encouraging contemporaryinterpretations of the book as an art object. Founded in 1974, it was the first not-for-profit organization of its kind in the nation. The Center organizes exhibitions related to the art of the book and offers an extensive selection of educational courses, workshops and seminars in traditional and contemporary bookbinding, letterpress printing, fine press publishing, and other associated arts. The Center for Book Arts is supported by local businesses, various foundations including The Lenrow Fund, The Milton and Sally Avery Arts Foundation, The New York State Council on the Arts, and its members. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:30:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Barbaric Yawps in Baltimore: Report Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-874 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline I’d like to let you know how our Barbaric Yawps in Baltimore went down. Please forgive cross-posting. As a result of discussion on the Poetics list regarding the absence of panels at the AWP annual conference in Baltimore addressing the urgent current issue of threatened war against Iraq, and the range of published responses from poets, a group of poets committed themselves to presenting an open reading in Baltimore. We were initially unable to secure a venue at the conference hotel, the Renaissance Harborplace, as the program was already set and all spaces taken. The Enoch Pratt Free Library at 400 Cathedral Street, about a mile from the hotel, offered us their Edgar Allan Poe Room. On Friday February 28th, 11am-1.45pm, 12 poets participated in the event. I kicked off with a brief questioning of Stanley Fish’s recent argument in The Chronicle of Higher Education “that no university, and therefore no university official, should ever take a stand on any social, political, or moral issue,” Laura Bush’s assertion that "There is nothing political about American literature," and Dana Gioia’s claim that “the urge to politicize art proves irresistible to the ignorant, the lazy, and the small-minded of all persuasions.” James Cervantes countered Stanley Fish’s argument also, and read his poem from the 100 Poets Against the War site, and which will be coming out in a book from Salt (U.K. & Australia) in March. Pierre Joris delicately sketched reminders of the phenomenal tradition of Arab poetry, including a modernism which preceded Western modernism by 800 years. Kazim Ali performed several Yoko Ono pieces, one of which led us to listen to one another’s heartbeats. Jane Sprague presented on Ammiel Alcalay’s “Poetry, Politics and Translation: American isolationism & The Middle East,” the first publication of her Palm Press. Wendy Carlisle read three poems, one a ghazal. Gabriel Gudding delivered an impromptu sound poem collaged from the names of members of the Bush cabinet; he also read his poem “Cadenza,” dedicated to the civil libertarians of 9/11. Halvard Johnson read two poems. Patrick Herron, needing only a pork-pie hat and cane to be a dapper song-and-dance man, led us in “Happy Birthday to Us” (since sent to the Poetics list). Toni Asante Lightfoot spoke on the responsibilities of poets/teachers, and read a poem. Finally Anastasios Kozaitis related a story about how poems were written and “published” by Vietnamese soldiers (please correct me if I’m wrong here, Anastasios), and also read a poem. I found the event substantial and satisfying. The audience was small, the room very beautiful and full of treasures, including one large format John Ashbery collaborative book which was passed around. Edgar Allan Poe looked down on all throughout. In the days before the AWP conference, and as a result of an intervention by Kazim Ali and a panel cancellation, David Fenza made a room available to us at the Renaissance Harborplace, and included our event on the conference program. As a result, we presented a panel in the St. George Room, 2.30-4pm on Friday February 28, right after the Enoch Pratt Free Library event. I introduced and moderated this presentation, in which Toni Asante Lightfoot, Jane Sprague, Pierre Joris, Gabriel Gudding and Kazim Ali participated, offering a variation of the program presented that morning, and speaking more directly to the issue of American poet/teachers’ capacities and responsibilities in relation to current foreign policy. This session was fairly well attended and there was vigorous discussion between panelists and audience members, focusing on conflicting perceptions of media coverage of preparation for war, and popular protests. Personally, I found both sessions productive in terms of making art and also answering the question, “What can we do?” Pierre emphasized our ability and responsibility to break down town-and-gown divisions; he also spoke to the relevance of familiarizing ourselves with the great tradition of Arab poetry, and contemporary work. The words of Ammiel Alcalay, quoted by Jane Sprague in the Enoch Pratt Free Library on Friday morning, also persist as a challenge in terms of establishing links with our colleagues and fellow poets in the Middle East: “…there is a remarkable, remarkable divorce between the intellectual life of the United States and the intellectual life of the so-called Middle East. I mean, it is a remarkable, remarkable lack of—first of all, there’s ignorance, there’s a lack of any sense of empathy, solidarity, sympathy, etc. Particularly given the fact that the intellectual class of that part of the world is, as a class, an oppressed class, a species in danger. And it’s remarkable in thinking about that, when one, for instance, uses the rhetoric of human rights, and thinks about a report on human rights, one’s first reaction is to be angry, shocked, etc. at the extent of the repression by the regime in question rather than to think of that as an index of the extent of resistance that is being carried out. And particularly in the Middle East, this is something that is actually quite shocking, I think, in terms of the total lack of communication, of interconnectivity between those individuals, groups, etc. in that part of the world and people here. And again, I’m referring particularly to intellectuals, writers, academics, cultural figures, and so on.” (from “Poetry, Politics, and Translation: American isolation & The Middle East,” Palm Press 2003). Thanks to all participants in presentations and discussions; also to Carolyn Delly and the Enoch Pratt Free Library, and David Fenza and the AWP. Mairead Mair*ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 20:46:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Lewis Subject: from the Telegraph (UK) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Lo Girl writes English essay in phone text shorthand By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent (Filed: 03/03/2003) Education experts warned yesterday of the potentially damaging effect on literacy of mobile phone text messaging after a pupil handed in an essay written in text shorthand. The 13-year-old girl submitted the essay to a teacher in a state secondary school in the west of Scotland and explained that she found it "easier than standard English". Her teacher, who asked not to be named, said: "I could not believe what I was seeing. The page was riddled with hieroglyphics, many of which I simply could not translate." The Scottish Qualifications Authority has expressed concern about the problem in its report on last year's Standard Grade exams, and revealed tha= t "text messaging language was inappropriately used" in the English exam. Judith Gillespie, of the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, said a decline in standards of grammar and written language was partly linked to the craze. "There must be rigorous efforts from all quarters of the education system t= o stamp out the use of texting as a form of written language so far as Englis= h study is concerned. "There has been a trend in recent years to emphasise spoken English. Pupils think orally and write phonetically. You would be shocked at the numbers of senior secondary pupils who cannot distinguish between their and there. The problem is that there is a feeling in some schools that pupils' freedom of expression should not be inhibited." Dr Cynthia McVey, a psychology lecturer at Glasgow Caledonian University, said texting was second nature to a generation of young people. "They don't write letters, so sitting down to write or type an essay is unusual and difficult. They revert to what they feel comfortable with - texting is attractive and uncomplicated." The teenager's essay began: "My smmr hols wr CWOT. B4, we usd 2go2 NY 2C my bro, his GF & thr 3 :- kds FTF. ILNY, it's a gr8 plc." Translation: "My summer holidays were a complete waste of time. Before, we used to go to New York to see my brother, his girlfriend and their three screaming kids face to face. I love New York, it's a great place. =20 =A9 Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2003. Terms & Conditions of reading. Commercial information.=A0=A0 Privacy Policy. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:45:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 4 on war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 4 on war ======== reidlos a emit eht tuoba tsuj ytinigriv reidlos a emit eht tuoba tsuj ytinigriv noitcerid ym ni nug sih demia gniltruh eht fo ssenkrad eht yna fo lufraef ,drawoc suoiruf a emaceb ytilauxes .elbaraebnu dna sdneirf gnoma ,dlrow siht ni erehwyreve ytinasni again starting we're suoiruf dna kcab syawla emoc stsohg tub eht revo gnitaolf erew ew nehw yna fo lufraef ,drawoc suoiruf a emaceb ytilauxes .elbaraebnu sdneirf gnoma ,dlrow siht ni erehwyreve ytinasni dying are children my suoiruf dna kcab syawla emoc stsohg tub noitcerid ym ni nug rieht demia suoiruf emaceb ytilauxes .elbaraebnu dead are parents my tuoba retteb wonk t'ndid i .meht elba neeb evah d'i ,gniod saw i tahw em again me rape don't please suoiruf dna kcab syawla emoc stsohg tub eht revo gnitaolf erew ew nehw gniltruh eht fo ssenkrad eht a m'i ;ereht evil llits i .dlrow reidlos a m'i .reidlos a m'i .reidlos removed eyes his ecneloiv us of front in gutted tuoba retteb wonk t'ndid i .meht .meht .elbaraebnu .reidlos a m'i .erehwyreve ytinasni .reidlos a gnieb fo duorp m'i don't please === TRASH MACHINE IRAQI ISRAELI PALESTINIAN I WIL WOUND AL AMERICAN WIL KIL AL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL ISRAELI WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER WIL KIL IRAQI WIL KIL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AMERICAN WIL KIL SON ARE KILED BY AL WOUNDED DEAD MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN MR BUSH WIL KIL WIL WOUND WIL KIL IRAQI CHILDREN bombs your by blinded are we starving, children our wrenched, is heart our ***WAR AGAIN*** IRAQI I WIL WOUND AL AMERICAN WIL KIL AL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL ISRAELI WIL KIL AL MR BUSH WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER DAUGHTER WIL KIL IRAQI WIL KIL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AMERICAN WIL KIL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL SON ARE KILED BY AL DEAD IRAQI MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN IRAQI CHILDREN us killing for monsters are you us, killing stop please ***WAR AGAIN*** IRAQI ISRAELI PALESTINIAN I WIL WOUND AL AMERICAN WIL KIL AL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL ISRAELI WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER WIL KIL IRAQI WIL KIL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AMERICAN WIL KIL SON ARE KILED BY AL WOUNDED MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN MR BUSH WIL KIL WIL WOUND WIL KIL IRAQI CHILDREN children and husbands and wives have you don't soldiers, american are you ***WAR AGAIN*** I WIL WOUND AL AMERICAN WIL KIL AL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL MR BUSH WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER DAUGHTER WIL KIL IRAQI WIL KIL AMERICAN WIL KIL PALESTINIAN WIL KIL SON ARE KILED BY AL DEAD MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN IRAQI CHILDREN us killing stop please please ***WAR AGAIN*** PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL MR BUSH WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER AMERICAN WIL KIL MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN IRAQI CHILDREN please please ***WAR AGAIN*** IRAQI ISRAELI PALESTINIAN WIL KIL AL ISRAELI WIL KIL AL MR BUSH WIL KIL AL DAUGHTER DAUGHTER WIL KIL IRAQI WIL KIL AMERICAN WIL KIL SON ARE KILED BY AL WOUNDED DEAD MR BUSH WIL KIL AL CHILDREN MR BUSH WIL KIL WIL KIL IRAQI CHILDREN dying are we please horrible ***WAR AGAIN*** === \liberation Hebrew, Assyrian, all intermingled. There were alphabetics from Phoenicianpossibly,listserv.aol.com>,ullabaloo-lists.ne and other areas; Ugaritic, I believe, had a cuneiform alphabetic.G-L@LISTSE the early Chinese bells transformed across Sub several notes, neither harmonic nor related, but for the metal wryting 2003 14:01:39 -0800 (PST) intermingled \Alors ( ) OSDN PriceCo the enormous friends-bird P'eng descends into the cup, e chickadee and dove are talking away, the cup's stuck, they say number of languages is enormous. Akkadian, Elamite, Ugaritic, Aramaic,gingg>code water in Hittite, watar, they say Spelling it o water in Hebrew, mayim, always the plural, K'un rose, the fish is K'un, roe, enormous, P'eng roc, right there at the beginning, > "flexible. === ladies and gentlemen it is clear to it us is that the present administration (ahem) stands like a stands rock, like foundation rock, against dialog (ahem) any form of against compromise any very very fabric fabric liberty liberty freedom freedom will will other other nations nations peoples peoples its of own its listen nothing listen but to violence nothing directed but life a for life, life, tooth tooth a massacre slaughter they remain remain an evil, they stubborn and obdurate they think think know know best, best, are are evil evil must present be administration eliminated must by means possible (ahem) preserve future preserve america future peaceful to planet preserve natural to environment preserve (ahem) (we are taken away) === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:52:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Friends, I wrote an anti-war poem, submitted it to poetsagainstthewar.org, and it was REJECTED. I sumbitted it two more times with minor alterations, NO LUCK. They have accepted 12,000 poems, most of them horse shit, but they REJECTED mine! I even emailed the editors, who wrote back that it had been submitted three times and not posted to the website, that they would check into it. That was a WEEK ago. For those curious, I will append the poem in question. Is this a BAD POEM? I think not. Nah, I think it's proof positive that officious CENSORSHIP afflicts even the GOONS at poetsagainstthewar.org. What a crock! Luv, Aaron S. Belz ANTI-WAR POEM Mrs. Ellicott got married before she was marriagable, in Terms of her parents' expectations anyway. Fanbelt needed, ex vertebrate Monocle CURL. I was alone in the pantry, I'll admit it, but send away the BLACKSMITHS and their Fan wiper shamans, because long pause, in Mankind needs no more bellydancers wandering around volcanoes, gadzooks, take a picture, sneak a copy of FRILLSHANK With Monster gone I can blow balogna backwards out my hatch. I am sorry. Forgive me. This is a poem. It deserves tinv oduwbv ud Weapon destruction but with what? No war? Turn the channel What Melanie BOMB beaker beaker beaker beaker stove ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:04:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG this Saturday evening at Dinnerware: poet Will Alexander & painter Jim Waid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit POG presents poet Will Alexander and painter Jim Waid Saturday, March 8, 7pm Dinnerware Gallery, 135 East Congress Admission: $5; Students $3 Will Alexander: Poet, essayist, playwright, and visual artist Will Alexander ’s recent and forthcoming books include Asia & Haiti (Sun & Moon), Towards the Primeval Lightning Fields (O Books), Above the Human Nerve Domain (Pavement Saw Press), Impulse & Nothingness (Sun & Moon), and Exobiology as Goddess (Manifest Press). His work has appeared in numerous magazines, including Callalloo, Conjunctions, Germ, Orpheus Grid, and Sulfur. His work as a visual artist has appeared at the Beyond Baroque Gallery in Venice, California. Alexander lives in Los Angeles and has taught at the University of California, San Diego, at New College of California, and at the Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics in Boulder. He has written widely on many aspects of African American poetry and surrealism. He is currently the Lead Artist, and Artist-In-Residence, for Theatre Of Hearts/Youth First, a Los Angeles based non-profit organization which provides "multi-disciplinary fine arts workshops" across Los Angeles County to under-served at-risk youth 7 to 18; the program has reached over 60,000 youngsters in the past ten years. Jim Waid was born in Elgin, Oklahoma in 1942, and has lived in Tucson for 30 years. He holds a BFA from the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque (1965), and an MFA from the University of Arizona in Tucson (1971). Waid has had solo exhibitions in New Mexico, Texas, Illinois, Arizona, Georgia, New York, Colorado, and California. In 1985, he received a Visual Arts Fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts. He has work in the collections of the Metropolitan Museum of Art, J.B. Speed Art Museum (Kentucky), Phoenix Art Museum, Tampa (Florida) Museum of Art, University of New Mexico Museum of Art, Smith College (Massachusetts) Museum of Art, and many others, along with work in a variety of private collections including IBM and Chemical Bank. The Tucson Museum of Art mounted an exhibition of his painting in the late 1990s. In 2000 he completed and installed a 9' x 50' mural for the Evo DeConcini Federal Courthouse in Tucson, and in early 2002 the University of Arizona Museum of Art exhibited a lifetime of drawings. On March 18 through May 31 of this year, Terry Etherton Gallery will exhibit his works on paper. Will Alexander’s appearance co-sponsored by the University of Arizona Poetry Center. POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. We also thank the following POG donors: Patrons Roberta Howard, Austin Publicover, and Frances Sjoberg; Sponsors Barbara Allen, Chax Press, and Stefanie Marlis. for further information contact POG: 615-7803; mailto:pog@gopog.org; www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 17:21:01 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: from the Telegraph (UK) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This sounds like a promising development Wystan=20 -----Original Message----- From: Joel Lewis [mailto:penwaves@MINDSPRING.COM] Sent: Tuesday, 28 August 1956 12:47 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: from the Telegraph (UK) Lo Girl writes English essay in phone text shorthand By Auslan Cramb, Scottish Correspondent (Filed: 03/03/2003) Education experts warned yesterday of the potentially damaging effect = on literacy of mobile phone text messaging after a pupil handed in an = essay written in text shorthand. The 13-year-old girl submitted the essay to a teacher in a state = secondary school in the west of Scotland and explained that she found it "easier = than standard English". Her teacher, who asked not to be named, said: "I could not believe what = I was seeing. The page was riddled with hieroglyphics, many of which I = simply could not translate." The Scottish Qualifications Authority has expressed concern about the problem in its report on last year's Standard Grade exams, and revealed = that "text messaging language was inappropriately used" in the English exam. Judith Gillespie, of the Scottish Parent Teacher Council, said a = decline in standards of grammar and written language was partly linked to the = craze. "There must be rigorous efforts from all quarters of the education = system to stamp out the use of texting as a form of written language so far as = English study is concerned. "There has been a trend in recent years to emphasise spoken English. = Pupils think orally and write phonetically. You would be shocked at the = numbers of senior secondary pupils who cannot distinguish between their and there. = The problem is that there is a feeling in some schools that pupils' freedom = of expression should not be inhibited." Dr Cynthia McVey, a psychology lecturer at Glasgow Caledonian = University, said texting was second nature to a generation of young people. "They = don't write letters, so sitting down to write or type an essay is unusual and difficult. They revert to what they feel comfortable with - texting is attractive and uncomplicated." The teenager's essay began: "My smmr hols wr CWOT. B4, we usd 2go2 NY = 2C my bro, his GF & thr 3 :- kds FTF. ILNY, it's a gr8 plc." Translation: "My summer holidays were a complete waste of time. Before, we used to go to = New York to see my brother, his girlfriend and their three screaming kids = face to face. I love New York, it's a great place. =20 =A9 Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2003. Terms & Conditions of = reading. Commercial information.=A0=A0 Privacy Policy. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 00:31:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ::write boulders herohero:: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ::write boulders herohero:: :my best friend listens all the time to the radio and television, she knows what the war is all about, i don't know what the war is all about. so i ask her and she tells me and it's all right. we decide the only thing that would work is some other person being president fast and we can't remember how far down people would have to die before that person brings an end to the horror. and i can't sleep at night now and no one i know has a job and we're victims and we repeat the same old stories all the time and nothing takes away the pain. this country has nothing to do with us, this is a new country and an old assyria country. please help us and tell us what to do.:saviorsavior:saviorhero :you can't do anything now, you have to know that. thinking about people dying is against the law and our president will live forever and no one will have to vote again which is okay because very few voted before if you remember. almost no one voted before but those who did had to brave the weather. now we have to brave the war under our president but that is easy because our president tells us what we have to do. please remember there is no horror and there will be no horror. this is a new country and an old hittite country and our president is our servant and we are his presidents. :thank you for your point of view, i now can sleep easier and i know my best friend is wrong, and thank you for making the radio and television. we know what the war is about and she is not speaking now and she has left. it is all right and i cannot sleep because of worry from her but i sleep soon and i will not have to speak to her. === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 21:34:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: REJECTION LETTER Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit REJECTION LETTER $text = "You call this an anti-war poem? It's missing a single reference to war or fighting or political action. Most of it sounds meaningless to me, like you picked the words from a dictionary at random. Heck it doesn't even rhyme! My baby nephew could do better than this. Heck, my cat could do better than this, and I don't even own a cat! I wish poets would stop writing such drivel. It really gives poetry a bad name, and taints the entire profession. Think if you were submitting this to a congress of mathematicians: You would be laughed out of the groves of academe. Your work lacks any rigor that might be defended. It lacks any logical development. It contains no expressions of feeling. Heck, it doesn't even qualify as interesting nonsense! What is more, I find it disgusting. Go back to the drawing board. Go back to the woodshed. Go back to square one. Whatever you do, stop writing poems! Heck, I'd even pay you to stop, if I thought it would work! 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Go back to the wore sucons of morked our that heck, if it ress to the wor that heck, it doesn't even ou would work lacks any ack to the wore, lifing. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 00:42:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Alan_Sondheim_&_Regina_C=E9lia_Pinto_-_online?= =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?_work?= (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE February - March 2003 News at the Museum of the Essential and Beyond That: At http://arteonline.arq.br - find (page-bottom) - News at Digital Poetry Gallery: Alan Sondheim & Regina C=E9lia Pinto. Text by Alan Sondheim; Regina was inspired to use the text with a land- scape of her own; she created the work Ice Landscape & Tropical Landscape. - Alan and Regina ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:00:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: my new plans I felt a sleep MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit my new plans I felt a sleep my new plans I felt a sleep. A couple my new plans I felt a sleep. A couple my new plans I felt a sleep. A couple her systems management could geflit body her head her systems management could geflit body her head her systems management could geflit body her head than Scott's cock but they were both than Scott's cock but they were both than Scott's cock but they were both number had gone home. I guess there must number had gone home. 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Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:03:18 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Now on Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poets of the social mark: Kristin Prevallet, Jules Boycoff & the poetics of political agreement (a big nod to "Wichita Vortex Sutra") Brian Kim Stefans on Creep poetics David Shapiro on collaboration, the late John Hedjuk, architecture, politics & the NY school Jason Earls asks questions about outsider poets, intellectual property & Spicer's sense of dictation Reading K. Silem Mohammad on Brian Kim Stefans anti-manifesto for a Creep Poetics Tripwire 6 & the new poetries of Southern Africa Heriberto Yepez & a map of Mexican poetry after Octavio Paz Collaborating with Rae Armantrout Odds & Ends Annie Finch on the goddess & saying the unsaid Michael McColl on Julia Kristeva & contemporary poetry Nick Piombino on Freud, Watten & Patti Smith Barrett Watten's Complete Thought Spirituality, the unconscious & language poetry http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 04:46:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Laughter Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dream of shooting you, full, heavy, veins following history as it rots on our eyes. I dream you fall over with a "yes, sir!" There's just not that much more to it: light ripples through trees like laughter in a fall-out shelter, probing slow fecund buds for the clutch of meaning. It roars like airplanes in our hearts. Feeling is one way to fly without wormwort or totality, frequent miles tuned in to our eyes blossum'd with temporary sentiment, and these bodies were made to fit like this. Your breath such soft bullets on my skin. I dream you rain on me, alone in my endowment: I'd kill to be a genius, to ride planes from one side of the room to the other, high above the dirty workers and their beer in cans, erased from daily conversing. Instead I convert file extensions. I memorex the protocol. I dream of shooting you down so you fall on me, who stands here straining up with an open mouth. 2003/03/03 07:32:17 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:33:19 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: London Launch of People's Peace Anthology - Poetry Society March 5, 7 pm Comments: To: "Undisclosed Recipients"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PLEASE FORWARD LONDON LAUNCH OF PEOPLE'S PEACE ANTHOLOGY 100 POETS AGAINST THE WAR POETRY SOCIETY MARCH 5, 7 PM Salt Publishing would like to invite you to the launch of 100 Poets Against the War, the famous Nthposition ebook now in its published form. We are delighted that many leading poets featured in the book will be attending and performing, including: Adrian Mitchell George Szirtes Mimi Khalvati Michael Donaghy Mr Social Control Sarah Maguire David Harsent Robert Minhinnick Sean Street Lisa Pasold Kevin Higgins Rip Bulkeley Aoife Mannix Date of Launch: Wednesday, 5th March 2003 Venue: Poetry Society Café, 22 Betterton Street, London Time: 7pm. Please contact us should you require any further details on this publication or the launch. Salt Publishing can be contacted on 01223 880929; info@saltpublishing.com. Contact name: Chris Hamilton-Emery Global Launch of Peace Protest Anthology ‘100 Poets Against the War’ is the fastest poetry anthology ever assembled and disseminated, taking just 6 weeks from being an idea to becoming a book. Since its publication, the book has featured in The Times, Le Monde, and Liberation. Poets have been interviewed and the book covered on CNN. It is being launched through a series of events, including in London, Los Angeles, Paris, Ottawa, Montreal and Austin, Texas. *** Please Note: This anthology has grass-roots legitimacy, emerging out of the peace protest, being performed and read at marches around the world by living poets. This book is written by leading contemporary poets and peace activists who continue to take part in the global peace protest and the many events associated with it. This book is not for profit and all trading surplus will be donated to Amnesty International. This anthology does not exploit the situation for corporate profit. This book is specifically about the impending war in Iraq, about today's issues and does not deflect attention away from this particular crisis. This book supports the protest against war in Iraq and has been compiled by people active in, and committed to, the peace movement. *** "100 Poets Against The War is a remarkable anthology" - The Guardian. “a new lease of life for protest poetry” – The Times *** 100 POETS AGAINST THE WAR Edited by Todd Swift ISBN: 1-876857-98-6 Format: 216 x 140mm Page extent: 192pp UK Price: £9.95 Publication date: 24/2/2003 Distributor: Bertram Books Ltd, UK __________________ Todd Swift Editor 100 Poets Against The War from Salt Publishing, Cambridge Available Now At Amazon UK London Launch March 5 Poetry Society LA Launch March 7 Philosophical Research Society Austin, Texas Launches March 9 & 10 Paris Launch March 10 Red Wheelbarrow Montreal Launch March 16 Casa del Popolo Ottawa Launch TBA Washington, DC Launch TBA www.nthposition.com www.toddswift.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:54:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Fw: the Seamstress... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .... a story my Uncle Joe told me... when he first came to Amer. in the 40's his first job was piecework gung-ho day and night... say 20 cent per when the first check came two weeks later it was at 10 cent per...excuse me landesman "oh it was a mistake...Julie dear write a new check for Mr. Nudel....at 2 cent per in Leisureville Del Rey an old man with bad wheels small landlord who drives a caddy remembers in the schvitz what is is is to sweat... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:51:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: yr attention please, for those in and around new york city... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" hey folks, this coming thursday (6 march): the opening reception of the exhibition by Maria Tomasula "Second Nature" Thursday 6 March (through 5 April) Forum Gallery 745 Fifth Avenue (New York, NY 10151) 5:30-7:30 pm this show runs through 5 april, as above, but as maria will be present for the opening this thursday, being there this thursday will be a heck of a lot more fun... she's a great person, and a great visual artist (and i'm proud to say, a close friend)... please stop by the gallery and say 'hello' (just tell her joe sent you)... you'll be wowed, i'm not kidding... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:51:51 -0500 Reply-To: cmilletti@comcast.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina Milletti Subject: BathHouse: Call for Submissions Comments: cc: webartery@yahoogroups.com, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Deadline: March 15 CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS BathHouse, a new online journal of the hybrid arts located at http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse seeks submissions of fiction, poetry, hypermedia, mixed media, and audio pieces--above all, work that resists these categories--for our second issue: the BathHouse "bath house" issue. ***We welcome wide and varied interpretations of “bath house” themes, rifts, and tropes.*** Work that considers asylums, safe havens, sexual exploits, that engages bauhaus (or outhouse) motifs, are welcome, as are submissions on miracle cures, snake oil remedies, and other questionable medical treatments. Contact the editors at bhouse@emunix.emich.edu with questions. SUBMISSION GUIDELINES Please send your submissions by e-mail to bhouse@emunix.emich.edu, or by post to BathHouse, Eastern Michigan University, Department of English, 612 Pray-Harrold, Ypsilanti, MI 48197. All paper submissions must be accompanied by SASE for return. E-mailed text submissions should be sent as PC word attachments. Please include your name and contact information on your manuscript attachments, as well as in the e-mail itself. Hypermedia and digital art submissions can be sent as zip files. Alternatively, if you provide a link in your e-mail, the editors will view your work on your home website. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:21:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: The latest on -fait accompli- Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Today, -Fait Accompli- features a conversation between Murat Nemet-Nejat and David Shapiro about Murat's new Green Integer book "The Peripheral Space of Photography." Poet and art critic David Shapiro's latest book of poetry, from Overlook Press is "A Burning Interior. Scroll down a bit for an interview with Rodrigo Toscano and Heriberto Yepez. Rodrigo Toscano's latest book is "Platform" (Atelos). A bit further down, a brief review of Rodrigo's sensational reading at the Drawing Center with the charismatic, glamorous Kim Rosenfield and the poetry heavyweight from Tijuana, Mexico, whose English and Spanish blogs have lit the poetics world on fire, Heriberto Yepez! Read it all right now at fait accompli http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com (Thanks to adorable Laurable for blog design and technical assistance. Check out the links to the left of the blog text for terrific blogs from listees Nada Gordon and Gary Sullivan and many others. Check out Laurable's blog for over 400 poetry audiolinks and up to date poetry news every day.) Want to lurk at a poetry party? Listen to Jim Behrle's audio links at kick the podium dot blogspot dot com Nick ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:35:03 -0500 Reply-To: Bowery_Poetry_Club-feedback-26@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Bowery Poetry Club: Rux this weekend, Giorno next MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across f= rom CBGB's F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 Dear Friends, Carl Hancock Rux settlin in for three nights this weekend -- John Giorno= explodin his one-man show three nights next -- get a degree at the Schoo= l of Cool! Friday, 2/28 Prof. Taylor Mead, on amphetamines and in Europe, is act= ually on our stage every Friday at 7 ($5)....Carl Hancock Rux begins his = run at 8 w/ his new anti-war poem, Mycenean News, with a video imagetrack= by Jaco van Schalkwyk ($10)...late night, it's Brazilan CARNAVAL 2003 as= brought to us by Hotel Amazon, Arrast=C3=A3o do Dend=C3=AA, DJ Pataphis= to: live music hot, poetry & films free Xingu Amazon beer to the first 10= 0 festiveers... Saturday 3/1 An all day, all-nighter! At 1 your poetry straight-up (Bl= ue, Poem Nome, Robert Morris)...at 2 it's the new Literary Review Party, = edited by Leonard Schwartz, and featuring (mongst others) Cecilia Vicu=C3= =B1a, Kamau Brathwaite, Elaine Equi, Susan Wheeler, Fiona Wilson, Eleni = Sikelianios...at 4 Segue presents Cathy Park Hong & Ann Lauterbach (4$)..= .at 7 Greg Tate's new book, Everything but the Burden will be feted, then= he & Burnt Sugar will join Carl Hancock Rux in a poetry jam at 8pm (10$)= ...a special performance of the Polyneisian poetry troupe (all female? of= course!) The Mahina Movement steps in at 10...and late night brings the = monthly appearance of the extraordinary African rhythms and dancers of Ch= ris Berry & Tribe (10$)... Sunday 3/2 is another marathon: a brand new series, Under the Influen= ce, starts at 1pm: Tom Kelly on Jackson Mac Low, Justin Jamail on Paul Vi= oli, Brian Kim Stefans on W.H. Auden ($5)...at 3, we host LONG SHOT=E2=80= =99S LAST STAND -- after 21 years, Danny and the Gang decide to move on, = and Farris, Litzky, Gaines, Hall, Clausen, Wiler, Hall, Aptowicz and many= others will be here (6$)...that will flow right into a book party for Ni= na Zivancevic's Death of New York City...at 8, Carl Hancock Rux will pres= ent "The Ho Show," which he directed (10$)...and the Mahina Movement wil= l reprise their amazing po show, Women without Borders, at 10 ($10) Mon, 3/3 Teenage poets all over 4-7 as Urban Word brings their slam to= the house at 4...followed by our participation in the national Lysistrat= a event, 6pm -- still think Withholding the most straightforward way to e= nd war...and it's the Wildest Night of the Week, Bob's Free4All w/ daBips= & Bingo Gazingo starting at 8.... Tues 3/4 Shawn Randall presents Symphonic, his polyvocal po-formance a= t 7 (5$)...then it's Rick "Dick Cheney's Nightmare" Shapiro's one man sen= sation, "Repeat Offender," at 9, and Beau Sia's chill session, "Whatever"= at 10:30 till the poets go home (5$) Wed 3/5 6:00pm - 7:30pm we'll have WEIGH WAR'd USA: Poets Against the = War, hosted by Gloria (free)...At 7:30 the monthly Persian poetry event, = ShabeSher will welcome spring and Nowruz (mostly in Farsi, but it doesn't= matter) (5$), followed by a great new band, Cecilia (4$)at 10... Thur 3/6 are you ready for the Limerick Slam? Urbana kicks spring in t= uchus at 7:30, and in the spot: Matt Cook, one of the greatest of all you= ng US poets, originator of the Milwaukee School of Poetry...the editors a= nd poets of the seminal Ordinary Women anthology of 1978 will be celebrat= ing here after their reading at the 14th St Y...Dragon Cat and her troupe= will premiere Rhythmutation, a tap-rap spectac at 10:30 (7$)...and Rick = Shapiro will schtick till he bellies at 11:30 ($12 -- he's gone at least = three hours straight since he began his Hero Sets)... Next week: Giorno's "Everybody Gets Lighter" Fri-Sun at 8! Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11...lunch:= homemade soup & salads & sandwiches...bar opens at 5...Poetry Forever!! The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D9439FED1661B6241&m=3D26 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:35:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: state of mind MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII state of mind "the carrier is ready to leave, with thousands of americans ready for war." (WCBS) my friend and i think we will die in the next two months, from some as yet unknown violence. new york is under furious regimens, the alert level remaining high in spite of the rest of the country. almost everyone i know is out of work. george bush rides hard with the shield of his presidency into other countries; we have become a traditional 19th-century colonial power overnight. i fear disappearing, the sudden knock at the door, the brute force of anonymous men. every text i write points to my guilt in this and every other matter. america has transformed within the hour; there will be no next election, as the country is placed under trumped up emergency powers. the soldiery already sides with bush; every evening, patriotic soldiers, who have never voted anyway, appear on the evening news. new york will have the highest building in the world, in five years, another target, as the city continues its doomed path to armageddon. we are certain there is nuclear material here, ready to explode. i no longer sleep at night, instead replaying the rhetoric of massacre and slaughter i hear daily on the radio. the government has become monolithic, the president listening to three or four men at the most. the cadre is inspired by god and the mission of god. the country is held captive, as we protest, realizing only violence will end violence, only slaughter will end slaughter. as citizens we live in confusion and anxiety, watching our nightmares turn real. we have abandoned the community of the world, the internet a pale reminder of what we might have been. smiling earnest troops are filmed leaving on enormous carriers. we offer billions in aid to countries that accept our troops, while the stock market continues to crash here, and the number of homeless rapidly increases. the nation is thrown off balance, all formal energy tending towards military action. it is hard to focus as we walk in fear of domestic terrorists from above, other terrorists from within. for the first time we live in absolute impotency, speaking to ourselves, waiting for everything and nothing at all. this morning i saw two flashes, then nothing. sometimes there are sounds. the meaninglessness of the world asserts itself at every turn. we will not have to wait much longer, we will wait forever. the cadre has the names, and dates. the cadre is absolute, and every absolute is evil. === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:40:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: The latest on -fait accompli- Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For the review of the Drawing Center reading with Rodrigo Toscano, Kim Rosenfield and Heriberto Yepez , curated by Lytle Shaw, on fait accompli at http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com go the archive listings top left 2/23-3/01. Scroll down to 2/26 for the review. -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 08:51:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: waldreid@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: March 11 reading in Boston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ALL MOST WELCOME ---- A READING AT THE CHARMING BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY March 11, 2003 (Tuesday) 6:00 p.m. (come after work!) DIANE WALD will read oldies, new poems, & poems from THE YELLOW HOTEL The Boston Public Library Copley Square McKim Conference Room (off the Dartmouth St. entrance) (617)859-2217 www.bpl.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:27:40 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--elliptical MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII elliptical (i-LIP-ti-kuhl) adjective (also elliptic) 1. Pertaining to or having the shape of an ellipse. 2. Marked by ellipsis (omitting words). 3. Characterized by extreme economy of expression in speech or writing; cryptic or ambiguous. [From Greek elleiptikos (defective), from elleipsis (to come short), from leipein (to leave). The word eclipse has the same root.] "What did he and the truck earn in a typical year? A good year? His responses were strictly elliptical." John Mcphee; A Fleet of One; The New Yorker; Feb 17, 2003. "He (Warren Beatty) has written a somewhat elliptical piece for the New York Times condemning the grip of big money on American politics, and has another piece coming out in the Los Angeles Times." Warren Beatty's Profession; Economist (London, UK); Sep 4, 1999. Why in the world would three seemingly unrelated phenomena -- a plane curve, a punctuation mark, and a writing style -- be represented by a single word? A glance at the etymology and everything falls in place. The common thread here is `shortfall': whether an ellipse, a shape that falls short of being a circle; a sentence that is short of a few words; or terse writing. Let's peruse a few more words about words that also apply to math (US) or maths (elsewhere). -Anu anu@wordsmith.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:50:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Launch Party Thursday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Yara Arts Group in association with Parabola Press and Tibet House will be doing a publishing launch party for the book I worked on with Virlana Tkacz and Sayan Zhambalov with beautiful photos by Alexander Khantaev "Shanar: Dedication Ritual of a Buryat Shaman" on Thursday, March 6th 7:00 to 9:00 PM at Tibet House which is this absolutely wonderful gallery, bookstore, library run by all those cool Tibetan Buddhist folks at - 22 West 15th St. at Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. We will be showing slides, there may be a few songs and a bit of talking about the ritual, also a little reading from the book, book signings and, of course, a reception. It's all free, but you must RSVP 212-807-0563. Here are some tantalizing bits of reviews the book are earned "...fascinating book..." "Exquisite color photographs..." "A rare and compelling glimpse into a little-known culture and its sacred initiation rites." For more see http://www.brama.com/yara/shanar-book.html So, looking forward to seeing you there . -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:19:36 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Mecca-Cola MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.mecca-cola.com/ MECCA-COLA MIMICS COKE; SALES SUPPORT PALESTINIANS Marketer Urges World's Consumers to 'Think Before They Drink' February 24, 2003 By Bill Britt http://www.adage.com/news.cms?newsId=37207 LONDON (AdAge.com) -- A new soft drink that mimics Coca-Cola's branding and promises 20% of its profits to Palestinian and Muslim charities is riding a wave of publicity and anti-American sentiment here. Anti-war march Mecca-Cola, a soft drink which launched in France last November, scored a recent public relations coup by dubbing itself sponsor of the 1 million-strong peace march in London on Feb. 15. Marchers were handed 36,000 bottles of the cola and 10,000 t-shirts with the Mecca-Cola logo and the message "Stop the War" and "Not in my Name." In a stunt visible to those watching the demonstration on TV in London, a vehicle topped with a 20-foot-high Mecca-Cola can pulled a trailer with an outdoor board saying "All human beings are born free and equal ... and should think before they drink." The stunt earned Mecca-Cola this reference in London's Sunday Times: "The drink now seen as politically preferable to Pepsi or Coke." U.S. policy as advertising "I might come to advertising in a year or two, but right now Mr. Bush is making our advertising with all his aggression and his war logic," said Tawfik Mathlouthi, Mecca-Cola's founder. Before Mecca-Cola's launch Mr. Mathlouthi, a Tunisian-born businessman who moved to France in 1977, was best known as the founder 12 years ago of Paris' first ethnic radio station. Mecca-Cola is run from a Paris office staffed by a team of eight. Distribution is mainly through corner shops in the communities where Britain's 1.5 million Muslims are concentrated. "I have no problem with Western products," Mr. Mathlouthi said. "Cola is a symbol of imperialism. ... I'm targeting the symbol and the politics." Mimics Coke branding Mecca-Cola's packaging is the one that looks like the all-American Coca-Cola. Mecca-Cola Classic is spelled out in white on red cans, pictured on MeccaCola.com, along with the promise that 20% of profits go to Palestinian and Muslim charities. Atlanta-based Coca-Cola Co. declined to comment. Since November, Mecca-Cola claims to have sold 800,000 1.5-liter bottles in the U.K. and the same number in France, plus another 1 million bottles in the Middle East and Africa. Another 16 million bottles have been ordered, and some are heading to the U.S., Mr. Mathlouthi said. Still, that won't make much of a dent in Coca-Cola sales. Coca-Cola Britain has 42% of the carbonated soft-drink market. Political protest drink "One has to be respectful of any product which represents a political or social protest, but in terms of volume and market share, this will not be a threat to Coca-Cola or Pepsi," said John Sicher, editor of the trsde publication Beverage Digest. Mecca-Cola is not alone pursuing the world's 1.5 billion Muslims. Zam Zam Cola, an Iranian brand, is expanding its distribution. And Qibla Cola, a name that refers to the direction Muslims face when praying to Mecca, launched in the U.K. on Feb. 4 with the tagline "Liberate your taste." Qibla created print and TV ads in-house. Hillary Chura contributed to this report. --------------------------end-------------------------------------- ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/xYTolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: mobglobplan-unsubscribe@egroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:34:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: The New American Blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Blog..def...to isolate, sequester, fragment, cloister, egoisme deluxe a a la mode, just give me the 'd..n' ball...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:59:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: can we have our ball back? Where are the poets? issues Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Please backchannel with proposals or suggestions for special issues of cwhobb? Looking for interesting poetic communities in under-hyped places (Montana, Atlanta, Winnipeg, etc.) Minimum 10-15 poets per issue, guest-editors sought. Be well. Jim Behrle _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:03:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed 6 Hour Party People From Pabst to American Spirits Nostalgic College radio references Flirting bordering on Uberflirting http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:43:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Alan_Sondheim_&_Regina_C=E9lia_Pinto_-_online_work_=28fw?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?d=29?= Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > February - March 2003 > > News at the Museum of the Essential and Beyond That: > > At http://arteonline.arq.br - find (page-bottom) - > > News at Digital Poetry Gallery: > Alan Sondheim & Regina Célia Pinto. > > Text by Alan Sondheim; Regina was inspired to use the text with a land- > scape of her own; she created the work Ice Landscape & Tropical Landscape. > > - Alan and Regina > Elegant design. Alan, your poem brought back one I wrote years ago, based on poem of yours: YOUR NAME, THIS NET Traced against the empty, traced through the header, it's a waste of the essence of the body of canons. Quantum tunnelings are everywhere artificial, a waste of the deep, nothing works in the deep. Line wrap not desire (Spinoza), not desire (Spinoza), repeaters and quantum tunnelings are ghosts crossing through to the Other. Outside my window only our bodies have names, as if the last choir's circulating on the sill of your name. I look through my window and know there were lovers in those ashes, traced against the memories that hold back the door. I cry over the threshold, its empty air, in midst of a shimmer-- dark angels fly with your name. The project outside my packets is wrapped in a body of grass: I have names that fling my pain over the essence of canons. Look for your name in the deep, "you who are about to die," in the darkness, and in nothing. -Joel Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Center for Excellence in Writing Portland State University Portland, Oregon Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Archive: http://www.unm.edu/~reality "The Silence of Sasquatch": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Bigfoot/intro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:11:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: a trumpeting theme song In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a trumpeting theme song I tried to set it straight - turn the proper thick sound into a bird=20 song, no bird this side of shadow town could sing. play it tall. obey=20 the laws. no left turn on off days. follow the bouncing ball in repeat=20= after me: =93 do no go to the same sanatarium as cocteau, talk to blake=20= on someone else=92s door mate, only except collect calls from screaming=20= banshees i.e., jean darc, julian of norwish, sappho, abigail adams,=20 and mary shelly . . . .=94 none of this, =93hello, is this mr. or=20 miss________=94 heads bumped, then lost at home in most instances and=20 despite it all under an unwritten code of ethics somewhere on the other=20= side of the same place, miles away from an embarrassment for a mother=20 or second rate monet or first rate mary cassatt (not to compare the two=20= or three). a war rages, is about to rage, is on the rampage, beats its drum,=20 recovers for crimes of, acts of, trials of, rehabilitation's of,=20 history of, deep in the ashes, bones and snake oil slick, medals=20 pinned, victory parades. bits and pieces arrive, been identified as the=20= aforementioned foreskin of_________ or the left hook of the deceased. there=92s bats in the beltway and cat=92s eye refocuses to a cry from a=20= late missed show on continuous repeat. no more skips, just bits of dust=20= in a laser beam . . . scotty it=92s time, take us home. or the Romulans are about to attack or disturb as little as possible or this land is your land . . . . or sit up and take notice, somewhere there is a sound that is not human.=20= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:31:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Christopher W. Alexander" Subject: Ben Friedlander in Buffalo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ben Friedlander poetry reading Saturday, 8 March 2:00 pm Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. Buffalo NY Please note the unusual time. Immediately after the reading, everyone is invited to stay at Rust Belt and take part in a group conversation on anti-war and/or political poetry and other, unforeseen topics. -- Ben Friedlander's books include A Knot Is Not A Tangle (Krupskaya 2000), Period Piece (Applied Poetry 1999), Algebraic Melody (Zasterle Press 1998), and Time Rations (O Books 1997). His editorial projects include Charles Olson's Collected Prose (with Donald Allen), Larry Eigner's Areas Lights Heights : Writings 1954-1989, and the "most excellent" I Am A Child: Poetry after Robert Duncan and Bruce Andrews (with Bill Howe). He is a 1999 graduate of UB's Poetics Program and currently teaches in the English Department at the University of Maine in Orono. EPC author page page at UMaine ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:40:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron: I don't understand this poem. Nor do I understand why my country is poised to slaughter the Iraqi People. So your poem makes sense, after all, lots of sense, more sense than any dribble from the mouths of the administration. You don't lie, you don't make sense, but you don't lie. Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Belz" To: Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 6:52 PM Subject: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org > Friends, > > I wrote an anti-war poem, submitted it to poetsagainstthewar.org, and it was > REJECTED. I sumbitted it two more times with minor alterations, NO LUCK. They > have accepted 12,000 poems, most of them horse shit, but they REJECTED mine! I > even emailed the editors, who wrote back that it had been submitted three times > and not posted to the website, that they would check into it. That was a WEEK > ago. > > For those curious, I will append the poem in question. Is this a BAD POEM? I > think not. Nah, I think it's proof positive that officious CENSORSHIP afflicts > even the GOONS at poetsagainstthewar.org. What a crock! > > Luv, > Aaron S. Belz > > > > ANTI-WAR POEM > > Mrs. Ellicott got married before she was marriagable, > in Terms of her parents' expectations anyway. > Fanbelt needed, ex vertebrate Monocle CURL. > > I was alone in the pantry, I'll admit it, > but send away the BLACKSMITHS and their > Fan wiper shamans, because long pause, in > > Mankind needs no more bellydancers > wandering around volcanoes, gadzooks, take > a picture, sneak a copy of FRILLSHANK > > With Monster gone I can blow balogna backwards > out my hatch. I am sorry. Forgive me. > This is a poem. It deserves tinv oduwbv ud > > Weapon destruction but with what? No war? > Turn the channel What Melanie BOMB > beaker beaker beaker beaker stove ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:51:53 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: yawn of parties...the renoirs by the exit.. Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your So-Called Rough-Guides to Interpenduncular Culljur What skin to mimic saraband when the folds=20 of the gray grease have had us on this way. Together we shouted *Mother* to the towering arbor of its indignant reticence, two-handled=20 shovel of jade, vibrating in the invisible drain. Fourier will transform the mitre of the meter, when motor's mutter left MIDOR mumming at the manifold. Now to dearrange a clip. Deorange. The Orange. The O range. Freaks of heaven go now to your helmeted, pipe-smoking tubs. Shelve the piehorn, and clamp explanations to your five seldom understanding when irrational comes the window burning, Miss On-scene. History ended with the Dinosaurs; What's left is a symphonic scar starring humanity as an animated afterbirth retelling cosmic angst in the form of a self-important and polymechanical diorama. Splay-footed Parkinson, I have no inkling of your political electrolux. Come Friday, The Cannibals have retired to their red-skinned lantern maze, slick with grue and mating, lets us waltz among the palms and sway by the cringing moon. We are bubbles of now in a primordial soup never done simmering. They are all Jackal-headed Spokespeople & are sorting us silently, and the movement will echo=20 the massless proton, a shape in which obliteration finds perfect = comfort. This is the profile of a useless exchange rate, and the statue outside this stock exchange=20 is a honeycombed butter-mammoth=20 swarming with metallic hummingbirds which sometimes drill,=20 erotically through the day-mush... Translated from the Swedish Arvid Carlsson -1954 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:37:05 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: Philip Guston & David Antin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If anyone can help me with the answers to these questions I'd be immensely grateful. 1. There was an article on Postmodernism (& collage) by David Antin, published in Boundary 2 probably around 1978. Can anyone give me title & reference? 2. There's a painting by Philip Guston called "Smoking. 1". If anyone has a catalogue or large book on him (or they see it regularly) could they tell me where it is located: the museum & the city? I fell I have the answer to the first question: a photocopy of it somewhere, but I sight it only every 4 or 5 years or so. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:21:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: Antin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's called "Modernism and Postmodernism: Approaching the Present in American Poetry" (fall 1972)--follow-up in _Occident_ 8 (1974). ---------- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor University of Nevada-Las Vegas Department of English 4504 Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89154-5011 (702) 895-3623 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 19:18:06 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Massey Subject: Oh no! Another blog! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:49:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Santa Fe, NM: The Messengers' House Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit FYI! Please pass this on to anyone you might know in the Albuquerque/Santa Fe area! Thanks! Tisa ---------- The Messenger's House Alto Street Art Barn 1005 Alto Street Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501 505-820-6730 Gallery Contact: Aaron Czerny The Messengers' House exhibition tells stories of ancestral memory and messages through the language of writing, painting, performance, installation and mixed-media art. Opening week events include Dinner at the Crossroads, an interactive performance dinner and installation and Spirit Stories, an evening of readings by Tisa Bryant and Ana M. Lara. Artists and writers in the exhibition include Tisa Bryant, Ana M. Lara, Niki Lee and Wura-Natasha Ogunji. Dinner at the Crossroads is an interactive performance dinner and installation, a storytelling about ancestors and their manifestations in the everyday. Artists Ana M. Lara and Wura-Natasha Ogunji tell stories through food as well as visual, performative and written languages. Two dinners will be performed during the opening week of the show. Each dinner consists of a ten-course meal, each course delineated by ritual, music and movement. During the performance dinners, an audience member will be invited to experience the rituals of eating as they sit down to eat at the crossroads. Note: Dinner at the Crossroads was previously performed under the title Serving Desire at Intersection for the Arts in San Francisco as part of the exhibition R X D = [eros] x [ethnicity], May 15-July 13, 2002. Exhibition Dates: March 23-April 20, 2003. Calendar: Sunday, March 23 1-5pm Opening Reception Monday, March 24 6pm Spirit Stories?Reading with Tisa Bryant and Ana M. Lara Tuesday, March 25 6pm Artists? Dialogue?Community Artists are invited to participate in this artists talk event. Wednesday, March 26 and Friday, March 28 7pm Performance Dinner at the Crossroads, a performance dinner and installation about ancestors and their manifestations in the everyday. The dinner is free but reservations are required. Call 505-820-6730. Artists Tisa Bryant lived and worked for several years in San Francisco, where she was a visual and literary arts curator, and conducted writing workshops in elementary schools, colleges and prisons. Her work has recently appeared in Bombay Gin and Cross Cultural Poetics, and in the anthologies Beyond the Frontier (Black Classics Press, 2002), Hatred of Capitalism (semiotext(e), 2002), Long Journey Home (The Women's Press, UK, 2002), Short Fuse (Rattapallax Press, 2002) and Step Into a World (John Wiley & Sons, 2001). Her chapbook, Tzimmes was published by A+Bend Press in 2000. She is currently completing an MFA in fiction at Brown University. Ana M. Lara is a writer and performance artist. Her work focuses on the modern day dilemmas resulting from the Middle Passage between Africa and the Caribbean. Her work attempts to redefine the concept of freedom through the lens of African ancestral memory and Dominican history. Niki Lee is an Arikara traditional bead worker as well as a visual artist at home using acrylics and oil sticks. While her favorite surface to date is masonite, she has been commissioned to do in-home murals in the Bay Area. Lee has been painting and scribbling since she can remember. In addition to her sought after horses, Lee has developed a biting body of work commenting on the violence of contemporary society. Wura-Natasha Ogunji was born in St. Louis, Missouri of American and Nigerian parents. She sees the art-making process as a kind of ritual that allows her to tell stories and translate memories into visual language. Working with photography, sewing, installation and performance she often draws from materials used in traditional Yoruba ceremonies. Her work seeks to understand the ways in which we conceptualize history and record memory. Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. Sometimes when I stand still, I can smell her. ~Arundathi Roy ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 18:01:24 -0800 Reply-To: Doug Rice Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Doug Rice Organization: CSUS Subject: composition job at CSUS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This search has been extended (thus ignore the original deadline, the new deadline is open until filled), so for those of you with a background in composition, send your vita as soon as possible. Please feel free to distribute this widely. ANNOUNCEMENT OF A VACANCY Assistant Professor of English Tenure-track Position Composition and Rhetoric Specialist Beginning Fall Semester, 2003 California State University, Sacramento (CSUS), invites applications from individuals interested in joining our dynamic and growing faculty. With a current student population in excess of 25,000, CSUS, the capital University, is one of the largest campuses in the 23-campus California State University system, the largest system of higher education in the nation. The University is organized around seven colleges. There are approximately 1,400 faculty who provide programs of instruction leading towards bachelor's degrees in 60 disciplines, master's degrees in 40 disciplines, and one joint doctoral program. Sacramento is a high growth metropolitan area with a population of approximately 1.7 million. As California's capital, Sacramento is an advantageous setting for premier academic programs. As a major metropolitan University, CSUS is committed to providing leadership in addressing significant regional needs and enriching our liberal arts tradition. The proximity of CSUS to the California legislature and other agencies of state and federal government provides unparalleled opportunities for faculty and students to participate in public service through policy research, internships, and employment. Minimum Qualifications Education: Ph.D. in Composition and Rhetoric required. Will accept ABD applications with hiring at temporary instructor level but must complete Ph.D. by end of first year; then, depending on satisfactory evaluation, funding, and program needs, may be converted to Asst. Prof. on tenure-track. Special Knowledge and Abilities: Rhetoric specialist. Areas of specialization may include one or more of the following: technology, dialects and writing, second language and writing, assessment and writing, theories of reading. Experience: College-level teaching experience in Composition required. Preference will be given to applicants who show the ability to work with a diverse student population. Administrative experience in Composition also preferred. Page 1 of 2 Assignment Teach undergraduate courses in Composition and graduate courses in Composition theory and pedagogy. Will assume a role in Writing Program administration consistent with interests and program needs. Four-course load with diverse student population, scholarly work, committee work, advising, and community service. Appointment Probationary (tenure-track) position as Assistant Professor. Salary range: $43,632 to $50,100, depending on qualifications. Ph.D. required. Will accept ABD applications with hiring at temporary instructor level but must complete Ph.D. by end of first year; then, depending on satisfactory evaluation, funding, and program needs, may be converted to Asst. Prof. on tenure-track. Closing Date for Applications and Nominations Position open until filled, but to be eligible for interview at MLA in New York City, complete application must be received by November 22, 2002. Submit letter of application, curriculum vitae, copies of all academic transcripts, and at least three letters of recommendation to: Susan Wanlass, Personnel Chair Department of English California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento, CA 95819-6075 A successful California State University, Sacramento (CSUS), faculty member will promote the values of CSUS as a public, regional, comprehensive, metropolitan university. The CSUS Strategic Plan notes that "teaching and learning infuse and motivate all that we do." In addition to positive contributions to teaching and learning, faculty are expected to engage in scholarship and to provide service to the University and to the greater community. At CSUS the quality of the education we provide is our top priority. Our campus community represents the broad diversity of our state, and we believe that all are enriched and unified by this diversity. California State University, Sacramento, is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity employer, and has a strong institutional commitment to the principle of diversity in all areas. In that spirit, we are particularly interested in receiving applications from a broad spectrum of qualified people who assist the University in meeting its Strategic Plan goal of pluralism: "To develop a campus community whose diversity enriches the lives of all and whose members develop a strong sense of personal and community identity as well as mutual respect." CSUS hires only those individuals who are lawfully authorized to accept employment in the United States. In compliance with the Jeanne Clery Disclosure of Campus Security Policy and Campus Crime Statistics Act, California State University, Sacramento, has made crime reporting statistics available on-line at www.csus.edu/police/SRTKRPT.html. Print copies are available in the library, and by request from the Office of Public Safety and the Office of the Vice President for Student Affairs. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 21:38:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Fwd: "Emergency Appeal to the U.N." statement confirmation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> From: "Emergency Appeal to the U.N." >> >> Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 7:44:56 PM US/Eastern >> To: joris@albany.edu >> Subject: "Emergency Appeal to the U.N." statement confirmation >> >> Thank you for supporting the "Emergency Appeal to the U.N." campaign. >> >> If you've received this email in error, please correct your campaign >> subscription information at >> http://www.moveon.org/s?i=-1234016-ShkgBfINYkbrF.omzTRw_A >> >> This campaign is based solely on word of mouth. It is CRUCIAL that >> you tell others. We've attached below a brief letter you can send >> to your email circle. Just copy and paste the text into your own >> email, then personalize the message. Your own words are always best. >> >> Please only contact people who know you personally. Spam hurts our >> campaign. >> _____________________ >> >> Subject: Sign the emergency petition to the U.N. >> >> Dear friend, >> >> I'm hoping you can join me on an emergency petition from >> citizens around the world to the U.N. Security Council. The >> petition's going to be delivered to the 15 member states of >> the Security Council on THURSDAY, MARCH 6. >> >> If hundreds of thousands of us sign, it could be an enormously >> important and powerful message -- people from all over the >> world joining in a single call for a peaceful solution. But >> we really need everyone who agrees to sign up today. You can >> do so easily and quickly at: >> >> http://www.moveon.org/emergency/ >> >> The stakes couldn't really be much higher. A war with Iraq >> could kill tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians and inflame >> the Middle East. According to current plans, it would require >> an American occupation of the country for years to come. And >> it could escalate in ways that are horrifying to imagine. >> >> We can stop this tragedy from unfolding. But we need to speak >> together, and we need to do so now. Let's show the Security >> Council what world citizens think. >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________ > Pierre Joris > 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. > Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. > h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. > c: 518 225 7123 > o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard > email: joris@albany.edu > http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ > ____________________________________________________________ > > ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:05:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You've got to be kidding! Please tell me this poem is a joke! > > From: Aaron Belz > Date: 2003/03/02 Sun PM 09:52:12 EST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org > > Friends, > > I wrote an anti-war poem, submitted it to poetsagainstthewar.org, and it was > REJECTED. I sumbitted it two more times with minor alterations, NO LUCK. They > have accepted 12,000 poems, most of them horse shit, but they REJECTED mine! I > even emailed the editors, who wrote back that it had been submitted three times > and not posted to the website, that they would check into it. That was a WEEK > ago. > > For those curious, I will append the poem in question. Is this a BAD POEM? I > think not. Nah, I think it's proof positive that officious CENSORSHIP afflicts > even the GOONS at poetsagainstthewar.org. What a crock! > > Luv, > Aaron S. Belz > > > > ANTI-WAR POEM > > Mrs. Ellicott got married before she was marriagable, > in Terms of her parents' expectations anyway. > Fanbelt needed, ex vertebrate Monocle CURL. > > I was alone in the pantry, I'll admit it, > but send away the BLACKSMITHS and their > Fan wiper shamans, because long pause, in > > Mankind needs no more bellydancers > wandering around volcanoes, gadzooks, take > a picture, sneak a copy of FRILLSHANK > > With Monster gone I can blow balogna backwards > out my hatch. I am sorry. Forgive me. > This is a poem. It deserves tinv oduwbv ud > > Weapon destruction but with what? No war? > Turn the channel What Melanie BOMB > beaker beaker beaker beaker stove > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:15:02 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: another last round MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, there it is, in green and weird constraining dialogue, as if marching to Pretoria in the dead of day. you can do anything, but, framing the assistance with same day service. like. when we were pastures, trickling off language's edge. didn't we have a place in love? and wasn't love itself truly rolling in the afternoon of voice? so that, please, the discussion realizes its own perception. children are hurt. it's my fault. there are scads in the day, each lost in voice. as we, so proud and truly, stand over the situational ethic, have we decided? it's a hippie lifestyle gone wry and complete. only music has our real voice, says the impassioned date of everything. it won't be only a thrill but a magistrate with louder drums. and the kindness that we surely cannot approximate starts another onslaught of discussion and true. or so true as when we need it. such war zone tactics, when our voice is habitat. our voice, and the way children, and how the people have been all along. namely. it is in these quiet, suggestive so you please. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:18:04 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: you big fat slob MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit meant peace of a second nature, a considered pearl. lay away then lift off the construction, spiraling in spaces that can have description, provided there are words enough. words are sports of declaration, and, while we rest, the terms clear from the project. a little room remains. often there are tunes of such ridiculous constancy, like the growth of treasure in one's mind. there is even a selling of ramparts, to keep your buddies impressed. everyone talks about the looseness of language, there in the cage. it appears that the things that matter are a bunch of names foaming off to the side. the picture, then, and the vigourous wing that makes another place, these surely are reference ranks, well amassed in the big picture. please just send situations to their makers, in the words of any old day. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:40:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Skinner Subject: Wed@4 Plus March 4-8 NEW EVENTS (Buffalo) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wednesdays@4 Plus March 4-8, 2003 (Please note added events!) Robert Kocik Talk "Poetry Exposition: Poetry May Take Any Substrate (including poetry). Certain findings: The Sexual Transmissibility of Artwork, Materialized Beatitude, Extraorganopoieia, the Susceptive System. A few Missing Social Services, including Poetry Outsource." Tues., March 4, 8pm, Rust Belt Books (Buffalo) Kocik's most recent publication is Overcoming Fitness (Autonomedia 2002). His work has also recently appeared in ecopoetics 01. He lives in Brooklyn where he directs the Bureau Of Material Behaviors. Poets against the War Poetry Reading Weds., March 5, 4pm, CFA Screeing Room Rosa Alcala, Christopher Alexander, Charles Bernstein, Sarah Campbell, Eun Gwi Chung, Barbara Cole, Patrick Durgin, Michael Kelleher, Robert Kocik, David Landrey, Aaron Lowinger, Khalil Nieves, Gavin O'Brien, Linda Russo, Kyle Schlesinger, Tim Shaner, Jonathan Skinner, Jonathan Stalling, Sasha Steensen. Ben Friedlander Poetry Reading Sat., March 8, 2pm, Rust Belt Books (202 Allen St., Buffalo) Friedlander, Poetics Program Ph.D., returns to his old haunt from the University of Maine, Orono. His most recent collections are A Knot Is Not a Tangle and Algebraic Melody. A critical work, Simulcast: Four Experiments in Criticism, is forthcoming from the University of Alabama Press. He is coeditor of Sagetrieb: Poetry and Poetics after Modernism. See http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/calendar/spring03.html for details of the remaining schedule in the Wednesdays@4 Plus series, including new listings and changes. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:49:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: boundary 2 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ken, I know this is not the issue you're looking for, but looking through some back issues I found that the Spring 1975 issue on oral poetry has "what am i doing here?" by Antin along with a correspondence among Antin, Spanos, and Robert Kroetsch and an essay by Barry Alpert called "Post-Modern Oral Poetry: Fuller, Cage, and Antin." This in addition to work by Rothenberg, Economou, Dennis Tedlock, Eshelman, Enslin, Goldbarth, and Yannis Ritsos. Sitting next to it on my shelf were the HUGE Creeley issue (570 pages in 1975, almost as big as Creeley's Collected 1945-1975) and the L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E issue from the mid-80s. All of which I bring up for no other reason than to remark what a great job Bill Spanos did. He surely is one of the most underappreciated figures in postmodern literature. Brian Clements -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Ken Bolton Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:07 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Philip Guston & David Antin If anyone can help me with the answers to these questions I'd be immensely grateful. 1. There was an article on Postmodernism (& collage) by David Antin, published in Boundary 2 probably around 1978. Can anyone give me title & reference? 2. There's a painting by Philip Guston called "Smoking. 1". If anyone has a catalogue or large book on him (or they see it regularly) could they tell me where it is located: the museum & the city? I fell I have the answer to the first question: a photocopy of it somewhere, but I sight it only every 4 or 5 years or so. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:14:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Isat@AOL.COM Subject: contact infoo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have contact info for Roger L. Conover, please backchannel. Sincerely, Igor Satanovsky http://kojapress.com http://magazinnik.com Silting the appraisable since 1969! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 00:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Bush/God/Jews/: US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following article about "a" "mighty" "man" "of" "god" "in" "a" "nation" "with" "the" "soul" "of" "a" "church" was especially spot-on since it refreshed my memory on his feelings about the salvation of Jews (and Catholics, for that matter): http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/878520.asp Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:23:49 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: Re: boundary 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Thanks, Brian. They do sound amazing. I never saw (I think) any 'Boundaries'. The thing I did like from that period were Alpert's VORT specials. Thanks for looking into it for me. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 22:40:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: a good idea from poetry superhighway MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit reminiscent of publish or perish & other chapbook exchanges -- The 2nd Annual Poetry Super Highway Great Poetry Exchange The mission of the Poetry Super Highway is to expose as many people to as many other people's poetry as possible. What? In February 2003, the Poetry Super Highway will coordinate a great free exchange of poetry publications amongst poets worldwide. It's not a contest. There are no judges, entry fees, winners, or losers. Last year, 63 poets participated both sending their book and receiving another poet's book from a randomly selected other participant By agreeing to participate, someone will be exposed to your poetry, and you will be exposed to someone else's poetry. How? To participate you must volunteer to mail one copy of one poetry book that you have written to one other person participating. Just one book. In exchange, you will receive in the mail one copy of one poetry book written by another participating poet. Please not e-books are not eligible for the Great Poetry Exchange. Your book must be physical entity. Even if it's self published, or one of one that you printed from your computer and stapled together...but no e-books. E-mail GPE@PoetrySuperHighway.com Include in your e-mail: The title of your book A description of your book no longer than 50 words. Your name Your mailing address Your website address (if you have one.) In the middle of March, we will randomly assign the books to each participant and email to you the name and address of the person you are supposed to send your book to. We will also list your book and description on this web page along with the link to your website for all to see. In addition we will list the new books in our weekly e-mailed update which goes out to thousands of people. Please note, as the Great Poetry Exchange is open to everyone on planet Earth, it's possible that you will be required to send your book to someone outside of your own country which will, of course cost you more in postage than it would to send it domestically. Also. we'll ask that you send us an e-mail in March once your book has actually been sent so we can keep track and make sure that all participants who send a book also get one. You also must agree to send out your book within 2 weeks of being notified of who to send your book to . Books Pledged So Far: Alexandra's Wreck by L.B. Sedlacek http://www.thepoetrymarket.com/ Poems about love triangles, hope, illusions, longing and all the other stuff in-between including the award nominated poem, "Monkey Bars." And Still I Write by Erika Abbott These poems stretch the imagination in every possible direction. Brendan Constantine is My Kind of Town by Rick Lupert http://PoetrySuperHighway.com/mkot.html Poems written about, for, or at least on the same planet as the author's friend and muse, Los Angeles Poet Brendan Constantine. Endearments by Paul Kingston http://www.lovepoetrynet.com/ Endearments is one in a series of books written by Brisbane born Author and Self-Publisher Paul Kingston. Endearments is a book containing "Poetry From The Heart" a selection of love poems. Entwined in Wonder by Jim Dunlap http://members.fortunecity.com/ecrivain01/mypoetrypage/ The book is simply a compilation of various poems I have had published in magazines in the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe. Inamata - the collected poems of Bernie Allen by Bernie Allen Inamata is a collection of poems written by me from age 18 to 50. Many cover experiences and vistas at the wild west coast of Piha, Auckland, NZ and a number touch on my spiritual pilgimage from hard living rugby playing days to a surprising encounter with the Lord. It's Not Over Until The Fat Boy Sings by Michael P. Lira Life in a small American mining town decades after the Manhatten Project. Living, Loving and Learning to Say Goodbye by Sandra Von Lienen http://PoetryBiscuits.com/ Collection of personal works Lost Hills, Ca. by Waide Aaron Riddle A poetry poster; Winner- 3rd Place, California State Poetry Society Poetry Competition, 2002. Love Letters to a Man I've Never Met by Amy Templeton Buckley http://Poetess.net/ A correspondence transcending time, wires, cancer and even Prague. 30 poems in total detailing a romance between the author and a handsome, older writer/poet/editor/foreign correspondent who's father was an advisor to Kennedy. Mad Dance of Bees by Kathy Wehrenberg http://www.authorsden.com/kathywehrenberg/ This 68-page book includes the title poem and 43 others. It is fully illustrated with original line art, and perfect bound from Passage Publishing. The poems are accessible, using humor and sharp images with a Northwest flair. Themes include nature, animals, faraway places, fantasy and contradictions in human nature. The Mason's Tongue by Adrian Rice http://www.geocities.com/mollyfreeman2000/ http://www.geocities.com/abbeypress In this startlingly rich and emotional complex collection, Rice fashions and recovers lores of place and belonging. Always intriguing, often provocative, the poems in The Mason's Tongue range from the intensely personal to the boldly satirical. Together, they confirm Rice's reputation as a distinctive new voice in Irish poetry. Monje Malo Speaks English by Charles P. Ries 29 poems. Mystical Poems, Love Poems, Poems About Mexico, drinking, Jesus and women. The Moon Makes No Difference To Me by Frances LeMoine http://www.franceslemoine.com/ Part erotic surrealism, part bourbon-soaked confessional, these poems thumb a ride along the midnight highway taking the reader on a journey over the edge and into the abyss of the human heart. Nor'easter by Faith Vicinanza A collection of poetry by women from the Hygeia House Writing Series, 12 women poets, including myself. Off-Ramp Omniscience by Carl S. Kaucher A desktop published collection of poetry and prose works with graphics. The work consists of societal and poetical explorations. Some of the work is structured into form, most is free verse centered on the flow and fit of words not necessarily indicative of any overarching meaning although image and purpose are present. On the Blue Swing by Alex Gildzen http://www.cybermesa.com/~takis Poems written between 1994 and 1998 covering the poet's move from Ohio to New Mexico and following events. Only Here by the late poet, Joe Salerno Only Here, deals with family, friends, nature and poetry. The sacredness of intimacy and intimate moments is the common thread that weaves the poems together. The poems attest to Salerno's enchantment with the ordinary things of this world, and his deep committment to the people closest to him. (Pledged by Leslie Cohen) Perfect Words By Kay Day http://kayday.com/ "The book is illed with essential information on poetry, the writing of poetry, revision, and tips on publishing, including a frank discussion of the pros and cons of self-publishing, plus a valuable list of links to internet sites, and topped off with forty of the author's own poems." Poems about Trains and Civilization by Tom Rubenoff http://www.gis.net/~trube/ Contains a few haikus, a sonnet, an elegy, and some less identifiable work, all observations about some aspect of life. I like to explore various forms, like sonnets and rondelets, because I like the exercise of trying to conform thoughts to restrictions. Poets of Midnight by D. Nordling, the Rev. Dave Wheeler, M. Lecrivain, et. al A collection chapbook of selected open-mic poets from the Midnight Special Bookstore. This conglomerate of Santa Monica regular readers pays tribute to one of L.A.'s longest-standing venue's closing in late 2002. It is a limited run printing edited and compiled by Dave Nordling. Unusual, eclectic, somewhat rare. The Privacy of Wind by John Daniel & Co. http://www.perielongo.com/ Poems cover a ten year period about the death of a mother, daughter's struggle with an eating disorder, and the mother's, recovering from a broken leg and other life issues. Pushpa Tuladhar's Poetry Pages by Pushpa Ratna Tuladhar http://www.pushpatuladhar.netfirms.com/ A collection of 35 poems, written by Pushpa Ratna Tuladhar, a poet, from the Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal, sharing his feelings, thoughts and views on human life and its surroundings with poets and readers around the world, already published in different printed, online and web magazines. Reflecting In Words by Poppy Hullings http://www.seedsofpoetry.com/ A collection of poems by Poppy Hullings, a poet who believes that poetry is a mirror of the soul, reflecting in words (as well as inwards). Thirty-six pages of both rhyming and free verse poems inspired mostly by the author's personal emotions and experiences. Relationship Value Meal by Jackie Goldstein This work is about various kinds of relationships and how it feels to be in or out of one. All intimate relationships are a gift which is a significant theme throughout. The ideals are universal and the language reveals an honest realism rather than obscurity. Many of the pieces are prose poetry. Rhapsody In Two by Sandy & John Clays http://hometown.aol.com/jwakizashiclays/myhomepage/poetry.html Perfect bound first collection. Something here for everyone, free verse to rhyme and strict form. "Concrete, comets and other textures bound by history, science and the humane voice." - Dorothy Nelson, Bolton Institute The Shadow's Imprint: Poetic Reflections on Death edited by Karen Lewis and Kevin McCabe The Shadow's Imprint refers to the imprint of a soul no longer here, but somehow still very present. This book is the result of a collaboration between 28 Canadian and American poets. Within our pages grief's story is told through tears and laughter. Includes black and white photography. Soul Songs Volume I by Margaret Doran http://www.thestorypage.net/ This will be a slim volume (chapbook) printed by Frog Publishing expressly for this project. I will include up to 30 poems with a soft cover and copies of original art work. The poems will cover a wide spectrum of subjects and styles. Storm In A Cake Shop by Beowulf "Wulfie" Mayfield http://www.wulfie.co.uk Description: A live recording of London-based performance poet Beowulf Mayfield on stage at The Bright Side performance poetry club in Leicester with a set of screaming saxophone and poetry with a guest appearance from the great Rob Gee. Thirsty in The Ocean by Lynne Bronstein published 1980. Poetry about living in a beach town, struggling for survival, experiencing love and jobs, refusing to compromise. The Torchbearer by David Turow http://www.dramex.org/archive/sifs/alex.shtml A book of so-called "traditional" poems, consisting of two major sections: love poetry and philosophical poetry. Unveiled Spirit by Mary Ellen Clark http://www.poemtrain.com Unveiled Spirit is a collection of eclectic poetry by Mary Ellen Clark. Her carefree ways and unique poetic voice come alive within the pages as she reveals to you -- her Unveiled Spirit. Vignettes in Motion by Marie Lecrivain A collection of poems detailing glimpses into random lives and experiences while in transit through an urban setting. The Way to Love by Renee Carter Hall http://www.poeticinspire.com/guesthall.html The Way to Love features forty poems by Renee Carter Hall, including the Pushcart nominee "Washington Suite." These accessible poems reflect on and celebrate various aspects of "ordinary" life, including day-to-day experiences, the natural world, and our personal and shared history. Women on a Wire, Vol. 2 by Jane M. Frutchey A CD-ROM (works with Macs or PCs) anthology of women's poetry benefiting the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence. The collection features the poems of more than two dozen women--including me--as well as photos and an appendix of contacts and resources related to domestic violence assistance. -- Lupert: It's The Website - & - Poetry Super Highway http://PoetrySuperHighway.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 01:51:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Duration Press Subject: Re: Philip Guston & David Antin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the antin essay was republished in a boundary2 anthology that came out a few years ago called 'early postmodernism'...still available from duke university press, i think... -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Ken Bolton Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:07 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Philip Guston & David Antin If anyone can help me with the answers to these questions I'd be immensely grateful. 1. There was an article on Postmodernism (& collage) by David Antin, published in Boundary 2 probably around 1978. 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:21:31 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lanny Quarles Subject: Viscoelastic Behaviors: "Underdetermining and Undervaluing Plasticity as the Primary Property of Aesthetic Semiosis" ABSTRACT: Clade Determinations of viscoelastic behaviors (creep) within the field of |contemporary|aesthetic|semiosis|: This paper explores the possibilities of determining creep parameters for a simple Tardyon as "Luxon Inertia" material from indexed creep testing using semiotic dilatometry. Due to the increasing use of semiotic plasticity in load bearing constructions an understanding of the mechanical behaviour of these materials is becoming more important. Using creep finite element analysis the creep indice test technique is analysed in terms of indexical rates of specific individuals under constant language loads. Emphasis is placed on the evolving semiotic stress distribution in front of the expressive indenter during indice creep. The measured semiotic strain was modeled with the Leaderman model with a plastic strain term added for higher stresses. The creep strain could be adequately described for stresses up to 14 MPa. However the model predictions of the creep-recovery experiments compared with measurements indicate that even at low stresses plasticity is present and that the plasticity at higher stresses is grossly underestimated. Moreover the complex role of index geometry, size effects and of macroscopic constraints is explicitly considered. A simple procedure is proposed to translate indexed creep results into constitutive creep equations for cases where the dimensions of the tested material are significantly larger than the indice. The influence of macroscopic constraints becomes important when the size of the metonymic ontologue is of the same order of magnitude as the size of the testing material. As a striking example for size effects and for macroscopic constraints the indexed creep process in a thin anthrogeological film is analyzed. The results contribute to a better mechanical understanding of indexed creep testing. To find a description of viscoelasticity, first creep experiments at different load levels and some creep-recovery experiments were performed. The results of the creep tests were modelled after which the model prediction for the creep-recovery experiments was compared with the results. Finally conclusions about further improvement of the model were drawn. It seems that broadly speaking, the conceptual modeling of the viscoelastic semiocreepic behaviors were consistently overdetermined and semantically narrow. Using the G. t' Hoof method of activating ("p-branes") within the ontology of semiotic meta-accidents we may still recognize the role of creep (viscoelastic behavior) to conform to a method of stable production consistent with a modern analysis of the biological role within the cosmology of the semiosphere. Further Reading: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Creep+Experiments ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 05:27:01 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: Fw: recalling all active agents Comments: To: Loriemerson1@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yours sincerely is alliterative in tempo alongside the grunt. if even this is the namesake of my cheap shit, let the wails begin. I mean it's like, tomorrow, when I am amply rewarded, I will still be forcing my name, tho all the numbers drop. and it, the lark, sure holds plenty of terrain for jeepers. there is no loose lattice left to report, since iffiness is when I sign my name. heck, I've gotten more guarded lopsided than YOU, popular cult of what the heck. so fuck yourself (in polite society) when you can, it's only a wish fulfillment masquerading and jeer over the telephone. nobody does nothing anymore, it's just too populated. still, I might be gamin to try, whilst over your regulation you can just see. shake your parameters while you can, you are an effort made frumpy. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: recalling all active agents > attention; I have activated brain power to 95% brain capacity and usingg > every inch, every dropps so help me god in anti-beaming theses rays. I > advise you to pick out survivirs prior to 2004. The bible is mistranslated. > Up until now i have been too insane about anti-beanming to explain about the > implants. It is hard to explain. How did they get the idea about the 3rd > life form. I am very happy to be administrator of the POTICS list. Can I > serve you again? > > Best L. EMERSOMON LIST ADMICNSTRATOR ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:44:29 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: anti-beaming theses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the Martian from the framework reconsidered. in deleterious perfection, said Martian piped up, first in preamble, then into deep document. as we readership listened, it became apparent. all pronouns and little bitty words, even prepositions, were there. 'there' was a place, then. it was Martian, for how could the world include? and something was 'said', as far as saying makes a diff. the Martian most notably, with such trickery, avast! we saw it coming. and going, like the present wintry days. there is nothing 'left', we decide, figuring children are due for a change. mocking is a grand solution, the Martian detailed to us, using Morse code for the anachronistic delight. we read each flashing dot and dash as if it were certified great music. this is poetry, some wag declared. the Martian gave few prompts, just a trip to daytime. we're just readership, we all said in tiny muttering. we're just listening to Martian presentation, as if we could touch that. the Martian wasn't really smooth, or sailing, only hearing these safe words. it is a big today we have on our hands. and its political act fills career in gesture. hey grandma, you're so young. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 04:58:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Re: recalling all active agents Comments: To: Loriemerson1@aol.com In-Reply-To: <4c.19180d07.2b956fc1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii of I very is very and to about and have anti-beanming inch, pick to dropps in about How dropps about be is dropps been and am did How 2004. every to dropps It now dropps administrator I me advise prior It i brain to prior I dropps am explain out dropps the be usingg How insane advise advise to to to have the How I very inch, rays. rays. been I every be been pick inch, to been i dropps and every prior have and have out be did have now dropps in to pick I How help prior usingg to dropps brain 2004. prior about It How survivirs brain to advise I How I anti-beanming i rays. is to I be happy every anti-beanming and and administrator The they 2004. be have administrator to now to I How to have usingg to the I anti-beanming list. out i to every have every out help anti-beanming to pick How to of in brain explain to rays. inch, did How brain explain did to the How 2004. usingg and list. 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I > advise you to pick out survivirs prior to 2004. The > bible is mistranslated. > Up until now i have been too insane about > anti-beanming to explain about the > implants. It is hard to explain. How did they get > the idea about the 3rd > life form. I am very happy to be administrator of > the POTICS list. Can I > serve you again? > > Best L. EMERSOMON LIST ADMICNSTRATOR ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:08:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Subject: Ear Inn Readings--March 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ear Inn Readings Saturdays at 3:00 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway--C,E/Spring; 1,9/Canal; N,R/Prince March 2003 March 8 Meghan Cleary, Susanna Fry, Mark Solomon March 15 Wayne Koestenbaum, Ron Mohring, D. Nurkse, Lauren Yaffe March 22 Terri Ford, Mikel Urdangarin, Kirmen Uribe, Jan Worth March 29 Michael Broder, Joelle Hahn, Katy Hawkins ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:42:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: a good idea from poetry superhighway In-Reply-To: <000601c2e218$f4aa9e30$8f9966d8@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sigh. Nowadays even serendipity's gotta be planned and organized. Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action." --Joseph Heller Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { reminiscent of publish or perish & other chapbook exchanges -- { { { { { { The 2nd Annual Poetry Super Highway { { Great Poetry Exchange { { The mission of the Poetry Super Highway { { is to expose as many people to as many { { other people's poetry as possible. { { { { What? { { In February 2003, the Poetry Super Highway will coordinate a great free { exchange of poetry publications amongst poets worldwide. { { { { It's not a contest. There are no judges, entry fees, winners, or losers. { { { { Last year, 63 poets participated both sending their book and receiving { another poet's book from a randomly selected other participant { { { { By agreeing to participate, someone will be exposed to your poetry, and { you will be exposed to someone else's poetry. { { { { { { How? { { To participate you must volunteer to mail one copy of one poetry book { that you have written to one other person participating. Just one book. { In exchange, you will receive in the mail one copy of one poetry book { written by another participating poet. { { { { Please not e-books are not eligible for the Great Poetry Exchange. Your { book must be physical entity. Even if it's self published, or one of one { that you printed from your computer and stapled together...but no { e-books. { { { { E-mail GPE@PoetrySuperHighway.com { { { { Include in your e-mail: { { { { The title of your book { { { { A description of your book no longer than 50 words. { { { { Your name { { { { Your mailing address { { { { Your website address (if you have one.) { { { { In the middle of March, we will randomly assign the books to each { participant and email to you the name and address of the person you are { supposed to send your book to. { { We will also list your book and description on this web page along with { the link to your website for all to see. In addition we will list the { new books in our weekly e-mailed update which goes out to thousands of { people. { { Please note, as the Great Poetry Exchange is open to everyone on planet { Earth, it's possible that you will be required to send your book to { someone outside of your own country which will, of course cost you more { in postage than it would to send it domestically. { { Also. we'll ask that you send us an e-mail in March once your book has { actually been sent so we can keep track and make sure that all { participants who send a book also get one. { { You also must agree to send out your book within 2 weeks of being { notified of who to send your book to . { { Books Pledged So Far: { { Alexandra's Wreck by L.B. Sedlacek { http://www.thepoetrymarket.com/ { Poems about love triangles, hope, illusions, longing and all the other { stuff in-between including the award nominated poem, "Monkey Bars." { { And Still I Write by Erika Abbott { These poems stretch the imagination in every possible direction. { { Brendan Constantine is My Kind of Town by Rick Lupert { http://PoetrySuperHighway.com/mkot.html { Poems written about, for, or at least on the same planet as the author's { friend and muse, Los Angeles Poet Brendan Constantine. { { Endearments by Paul Kingston { http://www.lovepoetrynet.com/ { Endearments is one in a series of books written by Brisbane born Author { and Self-Publisher Paul Kingston. Endearments is a book containing { "Poetry From The Heart" a selection of love poems. { { Entwined in Wonder by Jim Dunlap { http://members.fortunecity.com/ecrivain01/mypoetrypage/ { The book is simply a compilation of various poems I have had published { in magazines in the U.S., Canada, and Western Europe. { { Inamata - the collected poems of Bernie Allen by Bernie Allen { Inamata is a collection of poems written by me from age 18 to 50. Many { cover experiences and vistas at the wild west coast of Piha, Auckland, { NZ and a number touch on my spiritual pilgimage from hard living rugby { playing days to a surprising encounter with the Lord. { { It's Not Over Until The Fat Boy Sings by Michael P. Lira { Life in a small American mining town decades after the Manhatten { Project. { { Living, Loving and Learning to Say Goodbye by Sandra Von Lienen { http://PoetryBiscuits.com/ { Collection of personal works { { Lost Hills, Ca. by Waide Aaron Riddle { { A poetry poster; Winner- 3rd Place, California State Poetry Society { Poetry Competition, 2002. { { { Love Letters to a Man I've Never Met by Amy Templeton Buckley { http://Poetess.net/ { A correspondence transcending time, wires, cancer and even Prague. 30 { poems in total detailing a romance between the author and a handsome, { older writer/poet/editor/foreign correspondent who's father was an { advisor to Kennedy. { { Mad Dance of Bees by Kathy Wehrenberg { http://www.authorsden.com/kathywehrenberg/ { This 68-page book includes the title poem and 43 others. It is fully { illustrated with original line art, and perfect bound from Passage { Publishing. The poems are accessible, using humor and sharp images with { a Northwest flair. Themes include nature, animals, faraway places, { fantasy and contradictions in human nature. { { The Mason's Tongue by Adrian Rice { http://www.geocities.com/mollyfreeman2000/ { http://www.geocities.com/abbeypress { In this startlingly rich and emotional complex collection, Rice fashions { and recovers lores of place and belonging. Always intriguing, often { provocative, the poems in The Mason's Tongue range from the intensely { personal to the boldly satirical. Together, they confirm Rice's { reputation as a distinctive new voice in Irish poetry. { { Monje Malo Speaks English by Charles P. Ries { 29 poems. Mystical Poems, Love Poems, Poems About Mexico, drinking, { Jesus and women. { { The Moon Makes No Difference To Me by Frances LeMoine { http://www.franceslemoine.com/ { Part erotic surrealism, part bourbon-soaked confessional, these poems { thumb a ride along the midnight highway taking the reader on a journey { over the edge and into the abyss of the human heart. { { Nor'easter by Faith Vicinanza { A collection of poetry by women from the Hygeia House Writing Series, 12 { women poets, including myself. { { Off-Ramp Omniscience by Carl S. Kaucher { A desktop published collection of poetry and prose works with graphics. { The work consists of societal and poetical explorations. Some of the { work is structured into form, most is free verse centered on the flow { and fit of words not necessarily indicative of any overarching meaning { although image and purpose are present. { { On the Blue Swing by Alex Gildzen { http://www.cybermesa.com/~takis { Poems written between 1994 and 1998 covering the poet's move from Ohio { to New Mexico and following events. { { Only Here by the late poet, Joe Salerno { Only Here, deals with family, friends, nature and poetry. The sacredness { of intimacy and intimate moments is the common thread that weaves the { poems together. The poems attest to Salerno's enchantment with the { ordinary things of this world, and his deep committment to the people { closest to him. (Pledged by Leslie Cohen) { { Perfect Words By Kay Day { http://kayday.com/ { "The book is illed with essential information on poetry, the writing of { poetry, revision, and tips on publishing, including a frank discussion { of the pros and cons of self-publishing, plus a valuable list of links { to internet sites, and topped off with forty of the author's own poems." { { Poems about Trains and Civilization by Tom Rubenoff { http://www.gis.net/~trube/ { Contains a few haikus, a sonnet, an elegy, and some less identifiable { work, all observations about some aspect of life. I like to explore { various forms, like sonnets and rondelets, because I like the exercise { of trying to conform thoughts to restrictions. { { Poets of Midnight by D. Nordling, the Rev. Dave Wheeler, M. Lecrivain, { et. al { A collection chapbook of selected open-mic poets from the Midnight { Special Bookstore. This conglomerate of Santa Monica regular readers { pays tribute to one of L.A.'s longest-standing venue's closing in late { 2002. It is a limited run printing edited and compiled by Dave Nordling. { Unusual, eclectic, somewhat rare. { { The Privacy of Wind by John Daniel & Co. { http://www.perielongo.com/ { Poems cover a ten year period about the death of a mother, daughter's { struggle with an eating disorder, and the mother's, recovering from a { broken leg and other life issues. { { Pushpa Tuladhar's Poetry Pages by Pushpa Ratna Tuladhar { http://www.pushpatuladhar.netfirms.com/ { { A collection of 35 poems, written by Pushpa Ratna Tuladhar, a poet, from { the Himalayan Kingdom of Nepal, sharing his feelings, thoughts and views { on human life and its surroundings with poets and readers around the { world, already published in different printed, online and web magazines. { { { Reflecting In Words by Poppy Hullings { http://www.seedsofpoetry.com/ { A collection of poems by Poppy Hullings, a poet who believes that poetry { is a mirror of the soul, reflecting in words (as well as inwards). { Thirty-six pages of both rhyming and free verse poems inspired mostly by { the author's personal emotions and experiences. { { Relationship Value Meal by Jackie Goldstein { This work is about various kinds of relationships and how it feels to be { in or out of one. All intimate relationships are a gift which is a { significant theme throughout. The ideals are universal and the language { reveals an honest realism rather than obscurity. Many of the pieces are { prose poetry. { { Rhapsody In Two by Sandy & John Clays { http://hometown.aol.com/jwakizashiclays/myhomepage/poetry.html { Perfect bound first collection. Something here for everyone, free verse { to rhyme and strict form. "Concrete, comets and other textures bound by { history, science and the humane voice." - Dorothy Nelson, Bolton { Institute { { The Shadow's Imprint: Poetic Reflections on Death edited by Karen Lewis { and Kevin McCabe { The Shadow's Imprint refers to the imprint of a soul no longer here, but { somehow still very present. This book is the result of a collaboration { between 28 Canadian and American poets. Within our pages grief's story { is told through tears and laughter. Includes black and white { photography. { { Soul Songs Volume I by Margaret Doran { http://www.thestorypage.net/ { This will be a slim volume (chapbook) printed by Frog Publishing { expressly for this project. I will include up to 30 poems with a soft { cover and copies of original art work. The poems will cover a wide { spectrum of subjects and styles. { { Storm In A Cake Shop by Beowulf "Wulfie" Mayfield { http://www.wulfie.co.uk { Description: A live recording of London-based performance poet Beowulf { Mayfield on stage at The Bright Side performance poetry club in { Leicester with a set of screaming saxophone and poetry with a guest { appearance from the great Rob Gee. { { Thirsty in The Ocean by Lynne Bronstein { published 1980. Poetry about living in a beach town, struggling for { survival, experiencing love and jobs, refusing to compromise. { { The Torchbearer by David Turow { http://www.dramex.org/archive/sifs/alex.shtml { A book of so-called "traditional" poems, consisting of two major { sections: love poetry and philosophical poetry. { { Unveiled Spirit by Mary Ellen Clark { http://www.poemtrain.com { Unveiled Spirit is a collection of eclectic poetry by Mary Ellen Clark. { Her carefree ways and unique poetic voice come alive within the pages as { she reveals to you -- her Unveiled Spirit. { { Vignettes in Motion by Marie Lecrivain { A collection of poems detailing glimpses into random lives and { experiences while in transit through an urban setting. { { The Way to Love by Renee Carter Hall { http://www.poeticinspire.com/guesthall.html { The Way to Love features forty poems by Renee Carter Hall, including the { Pushcart nominee "Washington Suite." These accessible poems reflect on { and celebrate various aspects of "ordinary" life, including day-to-day { experiences, the natural world, and our personal and shared history. { { Women on a Wire, Vol. 2 by Jane M. Frutchey { { A CD-ROM (works with Macs or PCs) anthology of women's poetry benefiting { the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence. The collection { features the poems of more than two dozen women--including me--as well { as photos and an appendix of contacts and resources related to domestic { violence assistance. { { -- { { { Lupert: It's The Website - & - Poetry Super Highway { http://PoetrySuperHighway.com/ { ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:04:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Zamsky Subject: Reminder: Willis & Jenks Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Elizabeth Willis & Philip Jenks reading at Harold Washington Library 400 South State Street Chicago Authors Room, 7th Floor Saturday, March 8th, 1:00 PM ===== Chicago Poetry Project Box 642185 Chicago, IL 60664 www.chicagopoetryproject.org _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:05:18 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: March 4, 1963 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OBIT PAGE O god. First the greatest right-handed hitter in history Rogers Hornsby (hit .424 in 1924) with a lifetime average of .358 and now William Carlos Williams -- Paul Blackburn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:10:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT blukas@COX.NET wrote: >You've got to be kidding! Please tell me this poem is a joke! Hey rude blukas, it's about bombs in chem labs, television remotes, and exploding dictionaries. I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but is it really bad enough to be cut from the 12,000 at poetsagainstthewar.org? What are their standards? After all, it's POETS against the war, not POEMS against the war. Don't we get a little creative latitude? Masterfully, Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:21:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Arielle Greenberg Subject: call for notice of women's publications Comments: To: wom-po MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, all-- I'm compiling the next list of recent innovative poetry publications by women for the In'Print section of the upcoming issue of How2. If you know of publications that you would like to see listed, please send them to me BY MARCH 28 with "In'Print" in the subject line. Criteria: --all work must have been published in 2002 or 2003, and was not listed in the last issue (see http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadler_center/how2/current/inprint.shtm if you're not sure). --all work must be by women, and must be considered innovative, experimental, or avant-garde in its aesthetic aims. --Send in the following order, the listing: Author. Title of Work. Press/Publisher, Year of Publication. Web site or contact information for ordering. Cost. Full-length collections as well as chapbooks, CDs and online projects are all welcome. Please feel free to send notice of your own work as well as work by others that you think should be included. Let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for your help in making this list as comprehensive and useful as possible. Best, Arielle ===== * please visit www.ariellegreenberg.net for links to poems, information about readings, etc. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:36:18 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: call for notice of women's publications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Did you know Camille Martin is editing a collection of experimental women writers in the South for Potes & Poets? skip Arielle Greenberg wrote: > > Hi, all-- > > I'm compiling the next list of recent innovative > poetry publications by women for the In'Print section > of the upcoming issue of How2. If you know of > publications that you would like to see listed, please > send them to me BY MARCH 28 with "In'Print" in the > subject line. > > Criteria: > --all work must have been published in 2002 or 2003, > and was not listed in the last issue (see > http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadler_center/how2/current/inprint.shtm > if you're not sure). > > --all work must be by women, and must be considered > innovative, experimental, or avant-garde in its > aesthetic aims. > > --Send in the following order, the listing: Author. > Title of Work. Press/Publisher, Year of Publication. > Web site or contact information for ordering. Cost. > > Full-length collections as well as chapbooks, CDs and > online projects are all welcome. Please feel free to > send notice of your own work as well as work by others > that you think should be included. > > Let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for > your help in making this list as comprehensive and > useful as possible. > > Best, > Arielle > > ===== > * please visit www.ariellegreenberg.net > for links to poems, information about readings, etc. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 08:25:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Sigo & Torres at SPT this Friday 3/7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Cedar Sigo & Edwin Torres Friday, March 7, 2003 at 7:30 PM Cedar Sigo's first book of poetry, Goodnight Nurse, was published in 2001 by Angry Dog Press. He is the editor of Old Gold magazine and his most recent work appears in the anthology Evidence of the Paranormal (Owl Press, 2002). Raised on the Suquamish Reservation near Seattle, he studied at The Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics, moved to San Francisco in 1999, and recently starred in the video "Kevin and Cedar." "Trouble in mind, Lord I'm blue/sworn to this league of poets/as most beloved weakling." Edwin Torres "is the inventor...the most optimistic, agile poet around," writes Brenda Coultas. Torres' latest publication is PLEASE, a CD collection of new texts, audio poems, soundscapes, and video, recently issued by Faux Press. Born in the Bronx, Torres' earlier works include the CD Holy Kid (Kill Rock Stars, 1998) -- which was included in the exhibition The American Century Part II at the Whitney -- and the book Fractured Humorous (Subpress, 1999). Check him out online at brainlingo.com. "we were strangers in the same sentence/I was alien." $5-10 sliding scale; free to SPT members, youth under 18, & the CCAC community. For directions & a map please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/fac_dir. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCAC 1111 - 8th Street San Francisco, California 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org 415-551-9278 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:16:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lourdes Vazquez Subject: Re: HOAX ALERT: IMPORTANT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Lori: I need to unsubscribe to the list temporarily. Could you help=20 me...i've been trying to but no success. Lourdes VAzquez > Dear subscribers, >=20 > A number of messages from Loriemerson1@aol.com have been sent to > individual list members; these messages appear to be back-channels=20 from > the poetics listserv moderator. Please be aware that these messages > were not sent by me. All correspondence from me, as listserv > moderator, or from any other listserv administrators will always be > sent from poetics@buffalo.edu >=20 > Thank you for your patience and please watch for a further email on > this subject. >=20 > All the best, > Lori Emerson >=20 >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:33:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Upcoming Wordsworth Books Events Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed March, 8 2003 (Saturday) Poets Darlene Gold and Mike County WordsWorth Books -- 5:00 PM March, 10 2003 (Monday) Poets Mairead Byrne and Gabriel Gudding WordsWorth Books -- 7:00 PM March, 15 2003 (Saturday) Poets Kent Johnson and Forrest Gander WordsWorth Books -- 7:00 PM March, 22 2003 (Saturday) Poets Brandon Downing and Sara Veglahn WordsWorth Books -- 5:00 PM March, 24 2003 (Monday) OFF THE CUFFS Jackie Sheeler Author of: Off the Cuffs with Michael Casey, Marc Levy, Michael Hoerman. March, 29 2003 (Saturday) Poets Dzvinia Orlowsky and Jeff Friedman WordsWorth Books -- 5:00 PM March, 30 2003 (Sunday) Poets John F. Deane and Fred Marchant WordsWorth Books -- 3:00 PM April, 5 2003 (Saturday) Poets Bill Knott and Franz Wright WordsWorth Books -- 5:00 PM Please attend if you like. For a more complete listing, and so you can save yourself the trouble of sending me bitchy e-mails, check out www.wordsworth.com __________ Jim Behrle Events Director Wordsworth Books 30 Brattle St. Cambridge, MA 02138 (617) 354 5201 fax (617) 354 4674 jim@wordsworth.com www.wordsworth.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 12:36:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Random insane e-mails like car wrecks you can't take your eyes off but eventually will have to Enough to inspire further kill-crazy rampage fan fiction Strange coincidences involving Montana The promise of so much more that never pans out http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 11:43:47 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable rhode island notebook, 2.14-19.03 [this directly transcribed from the notebook made while driving from=20 Bloomington IL to Providence RI and back to visit my partner Mairead Byrne= =20 and our two daughters, Marina and Clio, in the 14th to 19th of February of= =20 2003. Most words were written at 70 miles per hour. Normal IL is 1097=20 miles fr Providence RI. 1755 kilometers. It takes 17 hrs to drive at an ave= =20 speed of 67 mph stopping 3 times for ten minutes a piece to gas and urinate= =20 my pee. At 67 mph I can get between 43 and 46 mpg in my Toyota ECHO=20 depending upon temperature, wind, and altitude. I place a large format=20 Cachet drawing pad on the passenger's seat in which I write notes as I=20 drive with a Sailor Innovation I millimeter gel pen, black, sometimes use a= =20 Rotring Core or Lamy Vista. The following is a log of where I am, what I=20 perceive, and what I'm thinking. The linebreaks are not a result of my=20 intention to break a line but are there because when I am driving at 70 mph= =20 and leaning over to write I write in dime-sized arthritic letters and=20 that's all I could get onto the 16 inch wide page. The stanza breaks are=20 often simply where I turned the page. The "M" referred to is sometimes=20 miles sometimes Mairead.] Febr 14 Valentines Day 7 AM CST Odo 42071 Trip odo set At curb on Kreizer Coffee up at Clinton Gas Station The US is on orange alert 4.2 m fr. my apt to HWY 74 Ice Storm predicted for today here but I will drive out from under it, selah. The flat cold straight road under pale gravel clouds, the shorn fields it goes over are dark brown flecked w/ remaining tan straw fr harvest, long straw flecks tilted like crowds of bent people. Congress now knows little of many omnibus bills in congressbreakdown of legislative process, fuck the congress 7:50 AM 36 M fr. Bloomington. Shame on the Gold peacock who was proud, so unlike the bulbous teddybear. What of something had broken in briskest air spattering the peacock in a snow of poo? Would we not clap? Just so the bellicose twit-world wants war, blarming the attacked for rising & striking back. One must be loved to write well. 8:17 AM CST 68 M fr. Bloomington Vermilion River 8:28 AM 81 M. Welcome to Indiana Crossroads of America. Rest Area Welcome Center One Mile (vending machines available) 84 M 9:30 AM EST. Radio Says schools in western IL, eastern IN are let out early today because the ice are predicted And so under the impending ice the heroic poet rode east Across the snowed plains between the perfect combines and before the combining doves thinking of the family women he so dearly loves. 125 m fr. BL. On this day, Valentine=92s own, Hans Blix (and I am in Boone County, IN) makes an interim report. Distant gray jet wedges above the billboards to land at Indy airport. =93The 4 thousand 7 hundred and 7th Security Council meeting is called to order.=94 I-465 12 M. 145 M. from BL. =93I invite the representative of Iraq to take a seat at council table.=94 154 M Eagle Creek Reservoir Dam 196 M; 11:10 AM: I wear on my car=92s bumper a 4 x 6=94 magnetic sign =93NO IRAQ WAR=94 and just a mile before =93Nameless Creek=94 A silver Ford passes me, the baseball capped driver and woman inside pause & wave & nod I nod & wave back. =93Six Mile Creek=94 This is the creek region of Indiana. They waved in accord w/ the sticker I wear. We nod =93in total determination=94 (cf. France ambassador to the UN in his speech to the Security Council today) Schools in Muncie & Marion, IN are closing for the impending ice I am 228 M fr BL, ILLINOIS 245 M: Ohio bordermarked by blue steel arch. And over a lowering arch of bright gray clouds. MASSIVE, nearly ottoman sized hawk stands in the tan straw of the median ditch facing south south east 255 m At 257 m I see another hawk standing, this one smaller, in the tan windy median facing in the gray light, gloriously, like a gust of gush, the darker northwest. 89.3 FM 91.1 FM 91.7 FM all channels on which I hear deliberations at the UN Security Council. Comedy & its relation to pain is, I submit, the often only way to awaken decency at a time when portrayals of suffering serve chiefly to aggrandize the heroic For the suffering of heroes occludes/ the suffering of victims,/ heroes thus suck. 1:02 PM. Ohio State HWY Dept truck stuck under a bridge 332 m fr. BL. 20 Geese, again, Near Dublin fly east, across I-270 N =93We got fabulous men & women in uniform on the hunt! We go the finest bravest best smartest soldiers!=94 =93Liberty is not God=92s gift to America, but His gift to each and every...=94 Speech on =93Terrorist Threat Integration Network=94 1:35 PM Dictator G W Bush at FBI Headquarters. I stick a knife in his jaw and twist, spit in the wound in his spit box. I shove powdered aluminum in his jaw. HWY 71 N 355 m 1:40 PM and into his dumb tooth hole I whisper =93terrorist backlash, Dubya, you dipscum peahead.=94 Winter Storm Warning for Ohio late Afternoon near Cincinnati Then I dropped a new quarter in his wound and turned his groin like a crank He shuffled in place w/ his trousers wrinkling Then peed his pants for the world to see I put a small umbrella in his rectum and opened it he said =93Mmmff! It=92s not raining! it=92s not misty in the abdomen! stop it you terrust! I believe in my opinion of basketball. Mmmff!=94 2:34 pm I GAS at Exit 187 71 N at Ashland, OH at 421.8 M 10.118 g 428 M =3D 42.340 mpg When you=92re 50 there is somewhere deep in yr bones still new but when y=92re George Bush & 50 the corruption has sunk finally to the every corner of the brain. SNOW predicted tonight in Cleveland. I am 50 M S of Cleveland, at 3:05 PM It is slightly sunny & beautiful--A generous but not a harsh light on the snow. 505 M 80 east 4:10 EST Sweet warm white to clich=E9 yellow sepia evening light behind me slight vanilla reflections on the steering wheel from the rear window O Shenango River, Robustly bedded near Gordon Ward I see you in Dusk Ohio (527 m fr. BL) 4:25 PM 89.7 FM eastern Ohio North Korea. Nuclear Korea & its declarations of defiance Are on GW Bush=92s shoulders & his demented hawks while here at t O D Anderson Interchange A soft old maculate snow & 7 crow specks hinging in the sky 89.1 FM western Pennsylvania Mexico has not executed anyone since 1937. =93Americans finally had a war they cd cheer.=94 Howard Means in Colin Powell: Shoulder Stetson, Stetson Shoulder HIGH HWY bridge over wide snow covered Clarion River 582 M Switch headlights on 600 M 5:30 PM near Reynoldsville, PA Icon tact. Eye Contact. White Nixonian Republicans, they tire, do they tire? I miss the friendly bandits of Bellefonte High hard weight of the world elsewhere as a car slaps northward through the road That long chains of copper coins Across a desk drawer are islands of sense, each w/ a dust mote bush or two, but where was Ronald Reagan born if not in Tampico, Illinois: out of drawers come horrors. I drive now through nighted Pennsylvania following a string of orange pearls like some child mouse-fish through the bulbous hills that I see as dark and hulking whales and the haze of trees flickering there their spume 7:28 PM 737 m I seem to have escaped the icestorms of Ohio, Indiana, & Illinois. I stop at rest area 740 M. Ronnie Reagan lived in Dixon, IL for 12 yrs. Susquehanna River 761.8 M 7:55 PM An achromatic glint jet in sky gray-silver beacons on its wing In the dark of Pennsylvania, Out the driver=92s window, through the dark, in a scrotum of steam are two nuclear cooling towers issuing hot clouds lit by sodium 770 M 8 PM 780 M JCT 80 East 8:10 PM Eureka College, Peoria IL =3D where Ron Reagan went to college., B.A 1932 Nanticoke, PA getting tired been driving 12 hrs 10 Min. The prince of their feet. Foot Prince. 840 M .Gas up 9 pm at Promised Land Fuel Stop 10.347 gallons 419.?? miles I eat a hotdog & buy a coffee which I leave on the car roof. Have to stop to get Another one. This is annoying. I stop a few M down 84 E & get another coffee & a Danish. I am a hog pig, this Danish is dusty, dry, as the road is 865.9 Miles fr. Bloomington, 6 miles west of Matamoras PA A flaming Stupa Appears in the road, soon a teepee crashes into the lane & the alder poles shattering splinters into my windscreen & the buffalo hide kicks up (Welcome to NY 870 M 9:50 PM) into a gust & isn=92t it carried over my car w/ a soft, crackling wheeze, as if the wind itself were a butcher discarding a lung w/ a tired toss. =93Remember me as you pass by For as you are, so once was I And as I am, you soon will be So be contentto follow me=94 Gravestone Epitaph Reagan noted in Ireland 11:30 691 North 981 m My pragmatic twine, these veins grown since birth in muscles torn and caked w/ ache under days where I carried hours is, I well know, fraying 990 M 91 N 11:40 PM Mattabesset River, then HWY 95 E 11:46 pm 996.1 m the sky beyond the sodium lights is like dusk in a dish of salt Deep River Town Line 1017 M 1025 M 12:15 pm Welcome to Rhode Island 1058 m 12:45 PM Where were the old dried crickets who=92d once come in tophats to sing us quiet songs, those crackling little hooligans whose tunes were warm to us as winter nuts warmed in fire-fucked pans 1:17 AM round acute left 1st sight of Providence: it=92s downtown bldg=92s 1093 M 1094 exit 20. Faint sheen of ice on W. river 1096.4 Doyle & Hope (left onto Hope) 1096.9 M&M&C Driveway 18 Belair 1:28 AM 2.19.03 Cumberland Farms Gas Station Hope St. 6:49 AM Wed. Traffic Jam in sight of Capitol dome 95 S WGBH 89.7 Massive blizzard Mond & Tue. John Ashcroft is repealing death penalty acquittals. =93The Atty Gen=92l is committed to the fair implementation of the death penalty.=94 spokesperson for Ashcroft Put the puppies in Palestine 2 spinouts seen this morning on 95-S. Put the hickey-awful puppies in Palestine. The witches are hunting the puppies. 3rd crash on HWY in only 30 miles! 31.7 M fr. Prov 7:22 AM CT border 7:30 AM No shoulder in many places pile up with snow I put the puppies on the groins of the Anti-democratic Bush Administration. I put the puppies on the meadows of beavers, on the elk horses, the bird ponds--Lo! the meadow beavers do carry the puppies. It is the skateboard of evil the rollerskate of evil as opposed to the bulldozer or juggernaut of it: evil is pleasurable and indulged by this nation, though we pretend an abhorrence of it. www.gregpalast.com. And who have crammed the cupcakes hard w/ crackers. Traffic Jam 110 M near Southington, CT 8:35 AM 9:45 Am Stopped to pee. Have headache. Small semi-clear ice globule snails across rear window, blown in a diagonal tack by the fierce slipstream over my virile Toyota ECHO trailing a track of delicate wet Crammed about the head of the puppy were gobbets & earrings of doom. Yes we had stapled pretty, explosive studs to the tender dogs. (there on to the ears & skinflaps of said soft dogssalty dogs, I add whom we liked not.) we cut off the dogs=92 dark fat noses and fried them, oh the willow trees are whippy wonderous, and in winter they are like jumprope afros. Just crossed the Hudson. It is caked w/ ice floes. Very deep snow along hwy A massive cloud is strapped to a bee who tows it down to make A slow fog. The meat of a bee is weak and tastes of egg. Meaty bees are few in the winters around Burmingham. Yet there they fly, like flecks & bolts of squeaking meat. O humming globule of life!, I am 73 Miles from Scranton! I am maintaining a speed of 70 Miles An Hr. It is snowy here but not so Snowy as it was only 10 Miles Ago. O Meaty bee! (Food Exit 2 Dulraney=92s Steak House). 222 M 10:27 AM EST Delaware River, NY/PA border 228 M. It is a long drive. Sometimes I have seen the clouds give A subtle, sporty ballet, they have Also wrestled, I know, w/ the more awkward Treetops. Ronald Reagan, that stupid Melodious Optimist has given way to a stupid Malevolent Paranoid. Susquehanna River 335 M 12:05 PM EST The bees have come from the land of Clocks and far Away in the country of hawks the puppies run, lest their guts get spread like butter upon the rocks Here Again--at 43600 odo exactly Are the great cut-cakes of cliffs at 396 M fr. Providence (near to Lockhaven University) but now they are wind-smeared w/ a snowy frosting & down in the valley, in the foggy sun silos rise like periscopes from the farmy snow. A tree line lies fuzzed & crimped on hills faintly blued by distance. I smell the shit of a farm!: it smells very bad! like human shit! (not cow dung alloyed w/ the nice farmy fume of silage!)1:20 pm EST at Bellefonte PA. What but the stern irrelevance of the woods wd cause the cars to steer here beside the steel grey cold-milky guard rail, and the continual long trough of ditch snow--that is subsiding to tan-green slush. What soul had blown through here/ and left a clacking bit of heaven. Out there I know, beyond the boxed wind of my car, tree ice falls cackling/ through the shadowy twigs. I suspect I just saw rain but fear they are dot-sized waterballoons. Thrown by a winter frog presiding over a slush puddle. A stupid thought but this is longdistance car driving. 2:50 PM Clarion RiverA dark wispy, lazy snow squall 515 m =93Formidable will based on mediocre understanding of the facts.=94 --Francois Mitterand on Ronald Reagan. A pall of such unparalleled politeness has fallen upon the journalists of this nation. G. W. Bush ought to be impeached. Another snow squall grays the square trees. 530 M The sky fades to a luminous charcoal manila one flat dirty lemony cloud blankets horizon to horizon Another Squall of Dimness is driven down by our graylight & drawn down to the dopey ditch. 3:15-3:19 STOP TO PEE 545 M Z. H. Confair Memorial Highway, O how boring. That Goddamn Corn stubble is an Abominatrix. Why should Pennsylvania be so Long and Why should that Corn have been there? =93How cd he have sat there living in fear that somehow he might trigger a war?!=94Ronald Reagan, scorn- fully, about LBJ, who had remarked to Nancy Reagan at a dinner that when Nixon took office A Great Burden of fear about inadvertently starting WWIII was lifted Shenango River 572 M 3:43 EST Welcome to Ohio 574 M 3:45 Museum of Labor & Industry 582 M 3:50 Meander Reservoir 590 M 4 PM Should we have given that puppy A Pompadour, Mommy? How it bows in the fire of the sunset, how it chucks out a shelf of shadow and how it then bears its bowing fire & shadowy shelf beneath the couch w/ a crisp bow-wow. When we should have hunkered down in the dark and fiery bushes of hell, and stared about at the encroaching river of dung (which was flashing orange and poopy) and noticed the leathery & juicy fish that plooped indolently in swirls we thought of Martha and Kelly what terrible breasts had they and what long and daunting willow trees of hair they wore above their wallflower eyes. 4:40 PM Akron 76 interchange traffic jam--delayed only a few minutes. THE ISRAELI occupation of Palestine should be shot! 71 S 650 M 4:58 PM NPR IS PATHETIC. I can=92t believe how dumb Rumsfeld thinks the American people are. Maybe he=92s Right. And Wolfowitz suggests that France alone among all the UN Security Council resists the US What for the fiery puppies we left there? I should have been among the pointed shoes who kicked to death the President. Now there was a highway. This war is pre-emptive and therefore wrong. This is a war for oil and telecommunications. There would be a theater of people beating you up. 5:22 PM Still bright. A Strange browny gray lemony light here north of Columbus. Snow in the median looks as pissed on, rumpled, and soggy as a soiled diaper. Dimmer now headlights popping into bright gray silver dots against the blue darkling atmosphere at this end of day. Kucinich- anti-war candidate for President. Let=92s see if he=92s eloquent. I hope he is. Puppies, we have found that eloquence is even rare among perfessional politicians. There is a cabal in the White House blah blah How many times does we say it: there=92s no evidence to suggest Iraq has supported Al Queda, O Racist American Wolfowitz! we were about yr stupid man dog. Were we not? Scary thoughts: Ronold Roogon was a better President than G. W. Bosh. I oughta count the number of American flag decals I see next time =93Americans aren=92t afraid and we will be read!=94 --Tom Ridge. Meant to be 24 min=92s of congestion Northeast of Columbus on 1-270. 6:20 PM EST I-270 NE of Columbus Sun is setting, road is wet w/ melted sleet or just mist. The asphalt is a Purple Brown. The face of the puppy was a bumpy bacon. Yet we did not skin the dog for its face. Instead we sought to catch and flay the meaty bee. The beefy bee was like a large airborne pill but w/ a coating of meat that made it juicy. 772 M 70 West. Partly cloudy Eastern sky dark w/ clouds and night. Western sky in front purple as if post rainstormy & orangey beige. BIG FUCKING CHUCKHOLE 775.3 M FIX THAT! Back of =93AF=94 trucking semi: =93Never Underestimate an American=94 The amount of ignorance it takes to write that on the back of a truck is hemispheric 406.9 M 9.933 gallons Will we distribute spines to the senators today? 7:10-:35 PM EST ate & peed 44002 odo 798 M USA, A Whitey World. Having eaten two meat bees for Thanksgiving dinner we then undertook a feast of claws and buttons Not even eagle=92s wd have sated us like these bees and the masala of buttons and claws 850 M OH/IN Border 7:35 CST Cave ab homine unius libri yo, beware the man of one book. --like old suppy whose breath was blown in hay No! That hickey covered dog had been beset by women w/ lips who sucked it as children suckle. Had they mistaken the dog for a breast? If so that is odd b/c the hickey marks were all over it: they had kept on sucking w/out finding a nipple. What had they wanted to get out of it? A milk? What kind of milk cd be gotten fr. an entire dog! I can see having suckled its breasts, but they had suckled its nape and tail too. Even each one of its eyeballs had been suckled 920 m am in Indianapolis 8:25 CST My Mouth, my heart my hope of all things woven are but weak nuts on a tree that are being, and will be always, firmly shaken. I-74 West 9:45 PM. Hard to tell in the dark, but don=92t see any snow in the ditches nor on the ditch slopes. =93Drinking is the soldier=92s pleasure.=94 John Dryden. This is a medium point Lamy Vista fountain pen w/ Lamy blue-black ink. Alfred North Whitehead (not Lenny South Blackbrow) insists the entire apparatus of western philosophy is but a series of footnotes upon Plato. And. O booky Goidlaw Bruno. boobies on the lakes. =93How quaint the ways of Paradox. At common sense she Gaily mocks.=94 W. S. Gilbert. Icky place that progress put us. And then what of historicisms? Could you, resting, fight book to book, w/ a mace and barbican, taking up a picky hook and kicking through Aesop, w/ dense dung therestuck cum bloody clabber in your Wabash cleats, cracking down critics in the craw, and a poet nape to windpipe torn, nothing fights in books the Queen of America said--LOOK: O icky lake of dung I see cork boats w/ boobies in you The police=92ve put their archers on the loppy sands, and waft their heavy arrows unto the lakeborn crowds on boats, O the smell of boobies in the dung-filled days! STOP TO PEE 991 M 9:30-3 CST Edmund Burke 1729-1797 =93All govt., indeed every human benefit and enjoyment, every virtue and every prudent act, is founded on compromise and barter.=94 Yo dude, must you go hizzing through the weather like a car made of rubber? If I do so drive my rubber car through the winds and plains of night, I do so for to hunt the meaty bee to bring my family food. Illinois State Line 9:52 PM CST 1012 M. But I do so for the sake of Science, to quieten its cloying huzzing. I am like Cordelia who remaineth quiet. But the bee is not. That meat bee is loud! 490 M total for 11.9 gallons =93Come! Let=92s away to prison!=94 King Lear Pax and sex. -- Did Lear say this? More snow west of Champaign but east of Bloomington. All the rapacious fishes, the utility of seashells! Your headlights! TOO bright! Edmund Burke: The sublime based in self-preservation & rooted in terror vastness, mystery, darkness 10:55 PM Very dark but many stars. But beauty is founded in pleasure & our desire to propagate. Themes of beauty: =93smallness, smoothness, variety, & shape.=94 delicacy transparency. Weakeness, roundedness. Stephen Jay Gould wd have noted Burke=92s sexism here. Bloomington Exit 135 11:07 PM CST 1096 1100.2 M Arrive lawn of Apt. One ft. dirty moraine of snow cast up by plow & lodged on the cold curb ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:25:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: mad cow oblivion In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mad cow oblivion after the hallucinations of childhood are burnt away and turned into=20 blunt objects. or a blind fish desperately try's to recite an earlier=20 version of a famous . . . now at the end of a pitch fork, gasping for=20 the right consistency container that is invisible to its occupants and=20= invisible to the other ten million to the power of infinity's dramas on=20= the head of a pin, worth mentioning at the worthy convention of the=20 felt hatted practitioners. all proprietors of harm reduction models for=20= those conditioned and caught at the end of a rope, or crying for=20 protection from the evil barleycornpotato.com seed that has embedded=20 itself into john and or mary=92s univac memories on the main stage, = where=20 all the pins corsets and all the tins bends wouldn=92t cook a lean = tomato=20 again, or as some would say, without a wisher of a tell tail heart of a=20= mid summers dream the sumptuary theme song continues, as the ashes=20 settle and the back drop band plays on.=20= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:37:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Bush/God/Jews/: US MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When Bush's move on Iraq began, there was talk about The Crusades, and this sober piece shows how right it was, along with other forces in play. There are evangelicals who are praying that the war will set off Armageddon. This is how steeped in madness the whole thing is. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "schwartzgk" To: Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Bush/God/Jews/: US > The following article about > > "a" "mighty" "man" "of" "god" > > "in" "a" "nation" "with" "the" "soul" > > "of" "a" "church" > > was especially spot-on > > since it refreshed my memory on his feelings > > about the salvation of Jews (and Catholics, for that matter): > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/878520.asp > > Gerald Schwartz > schwartzgk@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 13:49:01 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/04/2003 10:12:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, aaron@BELZ.NET writes: > I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but is it really bad enough to be cut > from > the 12,000 at poetsagainstthewar.org? What are their standards? After all, > it's > POETS against the war, not POEMS against the war. Don't we get a little > creative latitude? > latitude, yes, but not lassitude. it must truly be embarrassing to be rejected by an organization that, as far as poetry is concerned, apparently has no standards. one's embarrassment only increases when one protests, and the response is overwhelming, if not exclusively, negative. the only out one is then left with is either to denounce everyone as ignorant and without a capacity for aesthetic discromination, or to complain bitterly that the work should have been accepted because it's at least as rotten as everyone else's. the choice is yours. on second thought, there is one other option; you could splash it with blood -- if you're committed it will be your own -- and send it in as a viz-po piece; then what you're written will be of no importance. jb... They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:03:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Friday March 28 in Albany Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Urban Carnival & Prison Families of New York presents An Evening of Poetics to raise awareness about the Prison Industrial Complex in New York State and to raise funds for PFNY Featuring: Mojave, Talib Alsaifullah, Indigo, I-Con & Righteous Afrikan Drumming w/ Bhawin Suchak, Dominic Romani, and J-Berd with an OPEN MIC to follow Friday March 28, 2003 @ the Westminster Church PC 262 State Street Albany, NY Doors Open at 7:30pm 3$ Suggested Donation Approximately 2 million Americans are currently incarcerated in the United States. Our prison population is the largest in the world. In the land of the free, why do we need prisons? PFNY was founded in 1981 by an Albany woman whose husband was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison. It was incorporated as a not-for-profit in 1986, and has grown since then to serve families and friends of prisoners throughout New York. For more information, contact the Urban Carnival at (518) 463-4160 or Prison Families of New York at (518) 453-6659 All proceeds will go towards Prison Families of New York This event is apart of International Mumia Week _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:09:29 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: AMAZING letter in defense of poetry by Eileen Myles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eileen Myles read this letter at a reading she gave at Temple University recently. She gave me permission to send it out over the waves, and to mention that it's also available on her website: http://www.eileenmyles.com Let's talk about this letter! --CAConrad ------------- The following is a letter/column I sent to the NY Times in response to Judith Shulevitz's Close Readings column in the Times on Nov. 24, 2002. I found Judith Shulevitz's "Sing Muses or Maybe Not" an enraging and appalling piece both for her to have written and for the Book Review Section to have run. I was particularly stunned at the end, where after reading several thousand words about how uncomfortable poetry readings make her (Well, Judith don't go!-) she then slides into a riff on the superiority of recorded poetry over live readings and then rising like a grouchy parent, exhausted from ranting at her kids, she vindictively states: "Best of all, with recordings, you can always turn them off." What's the sour grapes about? It seems to me that Shulevitz is peeved at her own lack of power in relation to live poets reading and so she richly takes her comfort where she can--on the end page of the Times Book Review. I mean, this is the ultimate lowbrow-posing-as-highbrow piece-one is treated to Shulevitz dragging in bits from Orwell's "Poetry and the Microphone" to support her point. Elsewhere Shulevitz has written to read Orwell is to admire him-to want to be him. Judith it's been done. And Orwell died in 1950. And the poetry he spent his life around was always live. Recorded poetry back then was a new idea, as was poetry on the radio. Live readings today represent something vastly similar. The happy meeting of live poetry with a very impoverished human need to hear any speech live, but particularly rhythmic speech is unstoppable. Judith, people just like it. They really do. They like to sit communally and hear messages that aren't tinkered with by the government, or intended to sell a product, or gauged to spin some denatured piece of information that's already been stripped of dangerous and alarming content. Poetry is and has been for a while where lots of citizen get the real and irregular news of how others around them think and feel. What is so discomforting about that? Are we next going to be treated to how uncomfortable opera makes Judith Shulevitz feel-how about theater, performance art, live sports, sex, nature, travel-I mean why direct a 3000-word tut-tut at a vital and ultimately populist art form? It occurs to me that Judith Shulevitz's discomfort at these "speech acts" must have to do with an unexamined inability to experience another's experience of language without retreating to the score card--giving or withholding points. The excitement of measurable power. Judith, at its best the phenomenon you're observing is off the charts. There is so much out there. There's poetry shows on Broadway, there's the Eminem movie, 8 Mile, and Bob Holman's new poetry club on the Bowery, then there are slam teams and open mikes, and queer all-girl open mikes. And traveling all-girl open mike. There's actually churning life in the ever-expanding number of writing programs on college campuses, not to mention the chattering traffic in the official unofficial poetry world--the lining up and breaking down, and re-naming and disclaiming of the New York school, the language school, the ever getting-rediscovered beat school. The pleasure of meeting all this wealth of live speech simply requires a fearless listener. It invites some kind of aesthetic citizenry. Who will take the bumps as they go. Yet Shulevitz's praise of Allen Ginsberg's recorded reading of "America"-- describing it as "manic" and "one of the comic masterpieces of the beat era" is not so much wrong, as totally missing the larger point about Ginsberg and much of what followed him in poetry--that it was often uproariously funny, then sad, then biting, then incisive. To characterize Ginsberg reading "America" as merely comic is to separate the poem (and its reading) from its frantic power--to change powers. One of the achievements of 20th poetry is its labile nature-its meaning resides in minute shifts of scale within a single poem. I personally don't think there's such a thing as "political" poetry, but each transition--those genre-busting attention shifts are where the politics drips in, and why the people come. Poetry is for the public and we, the poets don't know who they are. And, yes there are terrible readings, bad poets, awful reading styles. All of these things are entirely true, as they often are about everything, particularly in the neighborhoods of art because people there are always making something tentative. You might get there, you might not. How can you ever know. Poetry is like jazz, in that you go to watch it happen. The more it's predictable the more you do get "poetry voice," as Judith describes it. It's a poet putting a predictable rhythm on unpredictable speech. It's situation of someone getting into a car distractedly, closing the door on their own coat and then absently hearing its buckle drag for hundreds of miles. When people started to write in what Williams described as "the variable foot" they probably did often miss that he was advocating reading poetry in actual speech rhythms, not poetry voice. It's something in between that you're hearing, Judith, it's aesthetic failure. It happens. When you hear poetry voice you're hearing the poet's fear, and I agree with you, Judith, but, ugh, move on. Don't categorically pronounce that music sucks. I think you are going to the wrong poetry readings--probably ones selected from a menu of choices bound up entirely in your comfort-zone in terms of social group, access and appropriateness i.e. Louise Gluck is the only living poet you cite. Most art forms would suffer if they were only represented by this narrow a sampling. And yet you rant on like a specialists. Can you explain to me this know-nothing attitude towards poetry? Does the Times, say in the art section, print articles by writers who only like dead painters and the very sight of new work makes them want to barf. . . Do art critics parade their opinions across the front of Sunday Arts section telling the world how coffee table books are really the only way to experience art because-well, gosh, you can just close the book turn out the light and go to sleep. Good night, Judith, Good night, America. Eileen Myles ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:41:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030304114137.01b4f338@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Love it, Gabe. And I love road poems in general. But if you really write as you drive (as described below), the least you could do is to keep us all fully posted well in advance as to your future trips and itineraries--just so we'll not be on the same highway at the same time. Ginsberg, I believe, wrote his road pieces (or spoke them into a tape recorder) while riding, but not driving, right? Hal { rhode island notebook, 2.14-19.03 { { [this directly transcribed from the notebook made while driving from { Bloomington IL to Providence RI and back to visit my partner Mairead Byrne { and our two daughters, Marina and Clio, in the 14th to 19th of February of { 2003. Most words were written at 70 miles per hour. Normal IL is 1097 { miles fr Providence RI. 1755 kilometers. It takes 17 hrs to drive at an ave { speed of 67 mph stopping 3 times for ten minutes a piece to gas and urinate { my pee. At 67 mph I can get between 43 and 46 mpg in my Toyota ECHO { depending upon temperature, wind, and altitude. I place a large format { Cachet drawing pad on the passenger's seat in which I write notes as I { drive with a Sailor Innovation I millimeter gel pen, black, sometimes use a { Rotring Core or Lamy Vista. The following is a log of where I am, what I { perceive, and what I'm thinking. The linebreaks are not a result of my { intention to break a line but are there because when I am driving at 70 mph { and leaning over to write I write in dime-sized arthritic letters and { that's all I could get onto the 16 inch wide page. The stanza breaks are { often simply where I turned the page. The "M" referred to is sometimes { miles sometimes Mairead.] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 14:06:02 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " . . . with one hand tied to the wheel. Certain illegalities must be practiced simply not to waste time. The trick is to write clearly without taking one's eyes off the road. A certain open scrawl while one's eyes are fixed is the only trick to be mastered." But then I assume Dorn was referring to both off and on-road composition. (from _Yellow Lola_) Halvard Johnson wrote: > > Love it, Gabe. And I love road poems in general. But if you really write > as you drive (as described below), the least you could do is to keep us > all fully posted well in advance as to your future trips and itineraries--just > so we'll not be on the same highway at the same time. Ginsberg, I believe, > wrote his road pieces (or spoke them into a tape recorder) while riding, > but not driving, right? > > Hal > > { rhode island notebook, 2.14-19.03 > { > { [this directly transcribed from the notebook made while driving from > { Bloomington IL to Providence RI and back to visit my partner Mairead Byrne > { and our two daughters, Marina and Clio, in the 14th to 19th of February of > { 2003. Most words were written at 70 miles per hour. Normal IL is 1097 > { miles fr Providence RI. 1755 kilometers. It takes 17 hrs to drive at an ave > { speed of 67 mph stopping 3 times for ten minutes a piece to gas and urinate > { my pee. At 67 mph I can get between 43 and 46 mpg in my Toyota ECHO > { depending upon temperature, wind, and altitude. I place a large format > { Cachet drawing pad on the passenger's seat in which I write notes as I > { drive with a Sailor Innovation I millimeter gel pen, black, sometimes use a > { Rotring Core or Lamy Vista. The following is a log of where I am, what I > { perceive, and what I'm thinking. The linebreaks are not a result of my > { intention to break a line but are there because when I am driving at 70 mph > { and leaning over to write I write in dime-sized arthritic letters and > { that's all I could get onto the 16 inch wide page. The stanza breaks are > { often simply where I turned the page. The "M" referred to is sometimes > { miles sometimes Mairead.] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:49:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron, I'm sorry if I took a rude tone. It just really bothered me that you would accuse an organization of censorship just because they rejected one poem that you wrote. There could be a million reasons for the rejection. Lord knows my own poems have been rejected countless times. As it happens, I visited the poetsagainstthewar.org site and found this tidbit: "As of March 1st, we are no longer accepting submissions of poetry for publication on this web site." That may be your problem in a nutshell. Or else the editors did not fancy your contribution. Either way, don't get angry; write more poems! Peace, Brennen Lukas http://members.cox.net/blukas/frames_index.html > Hey rude blukas, > > it's about bombs in chem labs, television remotes, and exploding dictionaries. > > I'm not saying it's a masterpiece, but is it really bad enough to be cut from > the 12,000 at poetsagainstthewar.org? What are their standards? After all, it's > POETS against the war, not POEMS against the war. Don't we get a little > creative latitude? > > Masterfully, > Aaron > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:54:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Richard Foreman's Latest: Panic!(How To Be Happy!) Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Lets all join the misfits club." Kate Mannheim fait accompli Is at http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com\ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 15:59:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jordan Davis Subject: currently in the depot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Now with blogrolling! - Several attempts to connect fleas and flax - Invisible poems - Tonight on "The Hippies..." http://millionpoems.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:46:08 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: call for notice of women's publications In-Reply-To: <20030304152150.27344.qmail@web11307.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-797475E2; boundary="=======40AB476A=======" --=======40AB476A======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-797475E2; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit jayne fenton keane http://www.poetinresidence.com sara moss http://home.iprimus.com.au/saramoss/poetry/smossintro.html cheers komninos At 01:21 AM 5/03/03, you wrote: >Hi, all-- > >I'm compiling the next list of recent innovative >poetry publications by women for the In'Print section >of the upcoming issue of How2. If you know of >publications that you would like to see listed, please >send them to me BY MARCH 28 with "In'Print" in the >subject line. > >Criteria: >--all work must have been published in 2002 or 2003, >and was not listed in the last issue (see >http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/stadler_center/how2/current/inprint.shtm >if you're not sure). > >--all work must be by women, and must be considered >innovative, experimental, or avant-garde in its >aesthetic aims. > >--Send in the following order, the listing: Author. >Title of Work. Press/Publisher, Year of Publication. >Web site or contact information for ordering. Cost. > >Full-length collections as well as chapbooks, CDs and >online projects are all welcome. Please feel free to >send notice of your own work as well as work by others >that you think should be included. > >Let me know if you have any questions, and thanks for >your help in making this list as comprehensive and >useful as possible. > >Best, >Arielle > >===== >* please visit www.ariellegreenberg.net >for links to poems, information about readings, etc. > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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It only takes a = couple of minutes to do.=20 =20 Once the message starts, choose option #2 (even though option #1 refers=20 to this E-mail) and then option #3 - Be sure to listen closely, the = first option is only for a two-year period. Make sure you wait until = they prompt for the third option, which opts you out forever.=20 =20 PLEASE PASS IT ON TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW!!! Nancy Yager, ACBSW Development Manager Arts Council 700 Main Street Buffalo, NY 14202 (716) 856-7520 Save the Date! 17th Annual Arts Awards Luncheon March 20, 2003 For more information, contact (716) 856-7520. =20 The Arts Council is a primary advocate for the arts, and is dedicated to = promoting the cultural industry within the Buffalo Niagara region. The = Arts Council exists to nurture and advance all artistic disciplines and = to encourage participation in the arts by all segments of the community. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:07:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Re: major credit bureaus in the U.S. will be allowed to release your credit info In-Reply-To: <001201c2e299$3e039110$605e3318@LINKAGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Snopes points out that this email, which has been passed around the internet since 1997, is pretty much false (though well intentioned). Just so everyone knows. Here's the info: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/pending/credit.htm brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Geoffrey Gatza > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 4:59 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: major credit bureaus in the U.S. will be allowed to release your > credit info > > Be advised this release takes effect on July 01, 2003. > > Just wanted to let everyone know who hasn't already heard, the four > > major credit bureaus in the U.S. will be allowed to release your credit > > info. Starting July 1, including mailing addresses, phone numbers, etc., > to anyone who requests it. If you would like to 'opt out 'of this release > of your info, you can call 1-888-567-8688. It only takes a couple of > minutes to do. > > > > Once the message starts, choose option #2 (even though option #1 refers > > to this E-mail) and then option #3 - Be sure to listen closely, the first > option is only for a two-year period. Make sure you wait until they prompt > for the third option, which opts you out forever. > > > > PLEASE PASS IT ON TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW!!! > > Nancy Yager, ACBSW > Development Manager > Arts Council > 700 Main Street > Buffalo, NY 14202 > (716) 856-7520 > > Save the Date! > 17th Annual Arts Awards Luncheon > March 20, 2003 > For more information, contact (716) 856-7520. > > The Arts Council is a primary advocate for the arts, and is dedicated to > promoting the cultural industry within the Buffalo Niagara region. The > Arts Council exists to nurture and advance all artistic disciplines and to > encourage participation in the arts by all segments of the community. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:05:48 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AERIALEDGE@AOL.COM Subject: Webcast reading for new O Books anti-war anthology March 5th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing a webcast group reading & discussion for the new O Books anthology ENOUGH by Leslie Scalapino, Heather Fuller, Rod Smith, & Beth Joselow on the radio program "Roots & Culture: Roots Reggae Music & Politicization"--which airs on WVAU Wednesday nights, 8 to 10 p.m. eastern standard time. To hear the webcast: (1) Go to www.american.edu/wvau (2) Click on "Listen" (3) Follow directions from there OR plug in http://wvau.ods.org to your Real Audio Player, WinAmp player or whatever MP3 player you may have from Leslie Scalapino: "ENOUGH, which the editors began to assemble following 9/11 at the start of the U.S. war on Afghanistan, is a collection of poets whose writings are interactive with the current time, writing as its matter and syntax not separate from oppressive conditions and war. In enough, U.S. poets, British, Palestinian, Iraqi, Israeli, speak back and forth to each other only in the medium of their art. The editorial basis of enough is that these poets' art is not separate from their being in the world - and that: Seeing what's happening is a form of change." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:26:01 -0700 Reply-To: bradsenning@dissociatedwritersproject.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: brad senning Subject: DWP: better harder longer erections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks to everyone who showed up to the Dissociated Writers Project conference in Baltimore this past weekend. Some of you I actually got a chance to meet and talk to. If I didn't run into you, my apologies. But contact me to let me know who you were. We're definitely going to do it again next year. The same band of houligans and then some. If you want to get involved, let me know and I'll keep you on our contact list. We're keeping it punk, which I say just to give you fair warning. We'll need visual art, web design, publishers, poets, fiction writers, video art, tattooing, hair stylists, etcetera. If I'm missing anyone, it's only because I'm tired. All are welcome. Brad Senning _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 20:19:23 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--hyperbolic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hyperbolic (hy-puhr-BOL-ik) adjective 1. Of or pertaining to hyperbole; exaggerating. 2. Of or pertaining to hyperbola. [From Greek hyperbole (excess), from hyperballein (to exceed), from hyper- + ballein (to throw).] When you employ hyperbole in your discourse, you are doing what a devil does (to throw), etymologically speaking. The word devil ultimately comes from Greek diaballein (to throw across, slander). Some other words that share the same root are ballistic, emblem, embolism, metabolism, parable, problem, parabola, and symbol. -Anu "A short while back, Italy's leading newspaper, Corriere della Sera, ran a cartoon that imagined Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's continuing evolution. In the first panel, he was chief of state. In a later panel, he was king. Finally, years hence, he morphed into a new-era Napoleon. Within the hyperbolic context of satire, it was a fairly apt commentary on Mr. Berlusconi's outsize ambitions." Frank Bruni; Italy's Leader Balances Ambitions and Trials; The New York Times; Feb 16, 2003. "One of the ironies to emerge from the midair disintegration of the Columbia on 1 February is that CNN's breaking news of the tragedy was, for many people, their first clue that a shuttle mission was under way. ... This everyday neglect is worth remarking on, not least because, set against its backdrop, the flood of hyperbolic tributes that followed Columbia's loss strikes an odd chord." Marina Benjamin; The End of the Space Age; New Statesman (London, UK); Feb 10, 2003. This week's theme: words from mathematics that have other meanings as well. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:52:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Ahearn Subject: Re: boundary 2 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ken, Can you tell me what the VORT specials were? Haven't heard of them. Thanks, Joe Ahearn At 04:23 PM 3/4/2003 +1030, you wrote: >Thanks, Brian. They do sound amazing. I never saw (I think) any >'Boundaries'. The thing I did like from that period were Alpert's >VORT specials. > >Thanks for looking into it for me. > >Cheers >Ken Bolton Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations - entangling alliance with none. --Thomas Jefferson, 1801 ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ Joe Ahearn joeah@mail.airmail.net Calamus Publication Services: www.calamuspubs.com VEER magazine: www.rancho-loco-press.com/veer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:21:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT These folks finally got back to me. So now there's no doubt as to why it wasn't posted. I was actually being a little facetious about the whole thing though, blukas. Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poets Against The War" To: "Aaron Belz" Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: hey! > I've had to respond to a couple thousand emails in the last few weeks, so > sorry that I didn't through and get back to you. Apparently, the editor > didn't think it was an anti-war poem. > > don't kill the messenger. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:48:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Arron, I am very troubled by your exclusion. This seems to be a stupid response as it is not poems against the war, it is poets. I was hoping that it would turn out that you missed the March 1st deadline. All the best to you, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Belz" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org > These folks finally got back to me. So now there's no doubt as to why it wasn't > posted. > > I was actually being a little facetious about the whole thing though, blukas. > > Aaron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Poets Against The War" > To: "Aaron Belz" > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: hey! > > > > I've had to respond to a couple thousand emails in the last few weeks, so > > sorry that I didn't through and get back to you. Apparently, the editor > > didn't think it was an anti-war poem. > > > > don't kill the messenger. > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:43:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: piece-ing music MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII piece-ing music divide-ing the-ing twelve-ing semitones-ing by-ing four,-ing leaving-ing four-ing minor-ing thirds,-ing for example-ing C,-ing D#,-ing F#,-ing A,-ing there-ing is-ing the-ing minor-ing third-ing harmony-ing between-ing any-ing two consecutive-ing pairs,-ing for-ing example-ing D#-F#.-ing note-ing that-ing there-ing are-ing three-ing such series-ing of-ing minor-ing thirds-ing in-ing the-ing scale.-ing call-ing these-ing bell-ing harmonies-ing for-ing obvious reasons.-ing improvise-ing such-ing that-ing there-ing is-ing no-ing tonic-ing at-ing all,-ing that-ing each-ing note-ing is equidistant,-ing carrying-ing with-ing it-ing its-ing minor-ing third-ing scale.-ing emphasize-ing octaves-ing on occasion-ing --ing for-ing example-ing f#-F#-ing as-ing punctuation-ing --ing as-ing if-ing to-ing say-ing Here-ing is-ing where the-ing tonic-ing might-ing have-ing been,-ing a-ing resting-place-ing or-ing return-ing which-ing is-ing inauthentic, which-ing leaves-ing everything-ing to-ing be-ing desired,-ing which-ing is-ing at-ing best-ing temporary-ing in-ing the-ing midst-ing of-ing nomadic-ing live.-ing continue-ing in-ing this-ing manner,-ing playing-ing quickly,-ing nervously,-ing so-ing that-ing each-ing phrase-ing disappears-ing into-ing others,-ing the-ing bells-ing of-ing the-ing universe-ing speak-ing out-ing in-ing all-ing ways,-ing as-ing if-ing particles-ing and-ing alternative-ing universes-ing were-ing formed-ing and-ing deformed-ing at-ing astonishing-ing rates.-ing clarify-ing the-ing as-if-ing so-ing that-ing such-ing particles-ing and-ing alternative-ing universes-ing are,-ing for-ing a-ing fact,-ing brought-ing into-ing existence,-ing play-ing with-ing the-ing speaking-ing of-ing the-ing word-ing of-ing creation,-ing the-ing bells-ing faster-ing and-ing faster,-ing the-ing fury-ing of-ing newborn-ing life-ing === ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >>From: Hilton Obenzinger >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators >>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 >> >>Fellow Legislators, >> >>When Shelley wrote "unacknowledged legislators" the term "legislator" did >>not mean a Senator or MP; it arose from the French Revolution and it meant >>a visionary, a charismatic leader who could lead humanity through the >>perception of reason and brilliance of rhetoric. It is more the visionary >>revolutionary, such as embodied in the poem "Queen Mab." Or take a look at >>Volney's "Ruins of Empire," the main pre-Marx text of the revolutionary >>movement. Now does the phrase make sense? >> >>Hilton Obenzinger >> >While I appreciate the importance of understanding what Shelley meant, my >feeling is that, so like many popular quotations, this one appears so often >shorn of context that it's taken on another life. The meaning intended by a >writer is not always the meaning readers/ listeners construe. > >If we do read legislators as visionary revolutionaries, I still have trouble >accepting this statement. True of a minority but can't the rest of us be >content with the humbler designation of the scientist who makes and tests >hypotheses? And even that doesn't seem adequate to the range of endeavours >comprised by poetry. > I guess you can. Shelley was a revolutionary. He believed in Perfectability and believed that poets had their part to play in educating minds enslaved by a class system headed by kings and popes. He wanted the people in countries occupied by the Hapsburgs to get free, and he wanted the Hapsburg rulers enslaved by their bad ideas to become free. -- George Bowering Moustache still on Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:07:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: SOLITARY VICE In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030304114137.01b4f338@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ! ) ! 5 ; 2 2 ) ( 2 2 ) q d d d d k d d d k d d x ' 5 ; x 5 ; d d d d d ' d d d d d d w g g g g q w g d b b d G d r , r g , b r r g r d , d r r , d d r r w r r w r r r r r r g d b , b d w d r c b , , , c d c r w , d w , c c r - r g o c b , o w , c d , r o , o r o o r ! m , m g r d r r r , , w o r f o r , m o m r r o m r o e , e e x c o w o r o e r m c e m r 2 2 ) o e r m f o o o w , r d o m e x c e e c e , , r e b e m o r e v e f - r d e b e c e v o e , e o f r o o m o o v m o d o w n g c e r e o n , e m n c e , o n , : 5 ; k n o w n , r r e g r e r o n , o b o e r w o n n d w n d n o m r r n d e n d n e x r e e r v , b o , o n o c r r e o n , ( c o n m o r e c e f r e q b , 5 ; m o f - o d J e m e d o f v d e e m e m r c r n m o r e o d o m v e n , v i c o n , a n n a k n o w n i o n , g e n i e a r ' i s c o m m e r c e n i w a i n f a n c i s s n d a n d e o n , o n a n i s m , m a y a i o n , w i i o s e m a y b e e n s e e m i s i c e , e n a s i o n r a n s g r e s s o r k n o w , c o n s i s e c o m m i c e d f r o m w i e r e o r s w o r s n b e a s i n g s e x e s s i g e n c e n o r v o e g e n i e x e r w i n b e a s r e a r e o s i n f a n c y , a n d m a y ' s m a d s e n s m o s n d a d a n d m o s e r m s i o n , o r n , i s a c r i m e d o u b l y a b o m i n a b l e : 2 2 ) s f r e q u e n i o n f a s a n i o l i f e c e d v i c e i e m o s i o n , o n a n i s m , m a n u , i s a c r i m e d o u b l y a b o m i n a b l e I f e i e i o i i n a n e x c i u c o n , s e l f - a e s c e c o n s i s i o n , v o n , i s a c r i m e d o u b l y a b o m i n a b l e a f c e d c o n s i s o r s e c r e e n s i v e a f a s c i n n . I n s u n y o r s e c r e a f a s c i n n , i s a c r i m e d o u b l y a b o m i n a b l e . A s a s i n a g a i n s i o n , a n d s o l i n o b o u n d s e i s r e a r e m o s e o n , o n a n i s m , m a n u s a r y o r s e c r e r e r o s p i n e s r b o r s e e s e m o r e n s i v e l o n , v o n , v o l u n e n s i i o n l e r e a r e l s e x u a l a s e , o n a n i s m , m a n u s i r r e s i s o n , a n d s o l i h o h l i f e . n a f h e h i o r l d a n d m o r e e n s i v e l c n a s r a n s g r e s s o r s e e m s h a n b e a s s a l l h i s i c e f r o m o b s e r v a o s a m o m e n h w o r s e e m o s h e n e x t . h e n a . e c e c o n s i s t s i n a n e x c i t e m e n t a l l s e x u a l a b t u o s p e c t r a m o m e n t ' s m a d s e n s u a l i t y . -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:28:49 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Hal. Mark Weiss was telling me in Baltimore over the weekend about a friend who straps a sketch pad to his steering wheel and draws while driving. (Bought Rochelle Owens' _New and Selected..._ and Armand Schwerner's _selected shorter poems_ from Mark's Junction Press table, which by the way was right next to Dave Baratier's Pavement Saw Press table. Great to meet them both). Many people have suggested I use a tape recorder so as not to crash: but there's something about my eye-hand/aural-imagination cognition that's essential to me, have to actually be writing. Plus, how do you scratch out a line of something using a tape recorder? Am far more circumspect now than I was in the fall about when exactly to reach down and write. I've driven 47000 miles since June and have seen dozens of accidents: several burning cars (saw a white Saab burning under T-Rex sized 30 foot flames north of Columbus in Sept or Oct, a scene that stayed on my mental retina all the way to Dayton), have seen about 5 accidents actually happen (usually I just see the aftereffects), so I never write while in heavy traffic now, whereas I was risking that in September. Have gained great respect for my own fragility. POSTED: Will be traveling east this Friday March 7th--Saturday the 8th between Illinois & Rhode Island, between 7 EST and 1:30 AM EST, using 74, 70, 270, 71, 80, 84, 691, 91, 9, and 95. Watch your rearview, I'll be in the dark blue Echo. I'll be the thin man listening angrily to Sean Hannity. gabe At 02:41 PM 3/4/2003 -0500, Halvard Johnson wrote: >Love it, Gabe. And I love road poems in general. But if you really write >as you drive (as described below), the least you could do is to keep us >all fully posted well in advance as to your future trips and itineraries--just >so we'll not be on the same highway at the same time. Ginsberg, I believe, >wrote his road pieces (or spoke them into a tape recorder) while riding, >but not driving, right? > >Hal > >{ rhode island notebook, 2.14-19.03 >{ >{ [this directly transcribed from the notebook made while driving from >{ Bloomington IL to Providence RI and back to visit my partner Mairead >Byrne >{ and our two daughters, Marina and Clio, in the 14th to 19th of >February of >{ 2003. Most words were written at 70 miles per hour. Normal IL is 1097 >{ miles fr Providence RI. 1755 kilometers. It takes 17 hrs to drive at >an ave >{ speed of 67 mph stopping 3 times for ten minutes a piece to gas and >urinate >{ my pee. At 67 mph I can get between 43 and 46 mpg in my Toyota ECHO >{ depending upon temperature, wind, and altitude. I place a large format >{ Cachet drawing pad on the passenger's seat in which I write notes as I >{ drive with a Sailor Innovation I millimeter gel pen, black, sometimes >use a >{ Rotring Core or Lamy Vista. The following is a log of where I am, what I >{ perceive, and what I'm thinking. The linebreaks are not a result of my >{ intention to break a line but are there because when I am driving at >70 mph >{ and leaning over to write I write in dime-sized arthritic letters and >{ that's all I could get onto the 16 inch wide page. The stanza breaks are >{ often simply where I turned the page. The "M" referred to is sometimes >{ miles sometimes Mairead.] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:41:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org In-Reply-To: <20030304204931.DJKN8513.lakemtao05.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Aaron, > >I'm sorry if I took a rude tone. It just really bothered me that you >would accuse an organization of censorship just because they >rejected one poem that you wrote. There could be a million reasons >for the rejection. Lord knows my own poems have been rejected >countless times. Good thing you said that; I have checked the poet out, and i can say that it is the best poem since Keats's odes. -- George Bowering Gets lost in Kamloops Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:18:32 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: VORT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As I recall Barry Alpert published these in the 70s and they were devoted usually to two authors & consisted of very long interviews discussing =8A 'the usual': their writing & influences etc. I have some dealing with Ken Irby, Gilbert Sorrentino, Ted Berrigan, Anselm Hollo, David Antin, Jackson Mac Low. Small Press Distribution (who might then have been called Serendipity or even Sand Dollar) used to distribute them. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:09:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Upcoming Wordsworth Books Events corrected Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed March, 14 2003 *NOW* (Friday) Poets Kent Johnson and Forrest Gander WordsWorth Books -- 7:00 PM And if you don't like it start your own event series. But why wouldn't you like it? They're fucking cool. __________ Jim Behrle Events Director Wordsworth Books 30 Brattle St. Cambridge, MA 02138 (617) 354 5201 fax (617) 354 4674 jim@wordsworth.com www.wordsworth.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:14:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Confronting tired drug references Poets Who Mostly Suck Against the War Colorful Cigarette advice No future, no future for You http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 00:14:47 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Massey Subject: on the blahhg! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently on the blog: The effects of Mark Doty combined with Sun Ra and Dr. Pepper. Walking. Feeling hallowed and ridiculous. "Mood-change-shivers." And an exclusive: the song "For Ron Silliman," performed by my intoxicated alter-ego! ...and much more! http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 01:29:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: diminished composition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII diminished composition musmus music ic ic musmus music)ic) ic) (plapla play my m y musiusi usic musmus music ic ic of of of thethe the sphsph sphereere eres thethe there re re areare are intint intensens ensitiiti ities es es andand and eaceac each mh m h musiusi usic aloalo along ng ng witwit with th t h the he he musmus music ic ic of of of thethe the sphsph sphereere ere thethe the mismis miseryery ery of of of musmus music musmus music ic ic of of of thethe the sphsph sphereere eres musmus music ic ic of of of thethe the sphsph sphereere eres musmus music ic ic (plapla play my m y musiusi usic) musmus music worwor world ld ld - i hi h i hearear eard td t d therher here'de'd e'd be be be musmus music ic ic herher here -e - e - heahea heard rd rd somsom sometheth ethin:in: in:of of of youyou your sr s r skinkin kin - thethe they sy s y saidaid aid to to to comcom come he h e hereere ere - thethe they sy s y saidaid aid thethe they'ry'r y're be b e be me m e musiusi usic & & piepie piece-ce- ce-inging ing musmus music & & piepie piece-ce- ce-inging ing musmus music === ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:28:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: SEAN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit E. Myles toes the PARTY line for me..po is closer to.. sculpture than rap... a visual object not a script i worry abt Aaron Belz.. having SEX at 60 mph at least serves a purpose.. drove on home to m... drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:35:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Errata Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gudding for Belz Belz for Behrle Behrle for They all Drive too Fast DRn DRn.. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 02:59:24 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Was Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Actually Arrested? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Mohammed, if he was captured at all on March 1, an increasingly dubious proposition, was supposedly captured in a Rawalpindi neighborhood known as Westridge. Hundreds of serving and retired military officers live in the area. [Washington Post, 3/2/03, Telegraph, 3/3/03] Tariq Ali points out this is only a few miles from where President Musharraf lives. "This is also where the general headquarters of the Pakistan army are based. This is also where the headquarters of military intelligence, the ISI, are based. So it is quite incredible that if he is who they say he is, that he was literally living around the corner from these people. There is no way in which the Inter-Services Intelligence who has worked with these people for a long time would not have known that..." [Australian Broadcasting Corp., 3/3/03] Another expert said of Mohammed's arrest, "Those who think they have ISI protection will stop feeling that comfort level." [Australian Broadcasting Corp., 3/2/03] Obviously this implies that Mohammed was being protected by the ISI." http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/completetimeline/main/essayksmcapture.htm l ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 03:41:49 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: The Blood-Spatter'd Banner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, say can't you see, by the bare dangled light, What so loudly we nailed with our nighttime's armed reaming? Whose blood stripes and barbed stars, through the one-sided fight, O'er the ghettoes we watched, were so violently screaming? Does the vanquished's dead stare, uranium bursting in air, Give proof to our night that our flag is still there? O say, can that blood-spattered banner yet wave O'er land ruled by blind decree, in a world we enslave? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:42:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Objects in your rearview mirror may appear closer than that really are. Yes, I've seen this dark blue Echo. Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com PS -- there are message pads which attach right on to the dash right up there by the steering wheel... a little closer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Gudding" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: Re: rhode island notebook 2.14.-19.03 > Thanks, Hal. Mark Weiss was telling me in Baltimore over the weekend about > a friend who straps a sketch pad to his steering wheel and draws while > driving. (Bought Rochelle Owens' _New and Selected..._ and Armand > Schwerner's _selected shorter poems_ from Mark's Junction Press table, > which by the way was right next to Dave Baratier's Pavement Saw Press > table. Great to meet them both). > > Many people have suggested I use a tape recorder so as not to crash: but > there's something about my eye-hand/aural-imagination cognition that's > essential to me, have to actually be writing. Plus, how do you scratch out > a line of something using a tape recorder? > > Am far more circumspect now than I was in the fall about when exactly to > reach down and write. I've driven 47000 miles since June and have seen > dozens of accidents: several burning cars (saw a white Saab burning under > T-Rex sized 30 foot flames north of Columbus in Sept or Oct, a scene that > stayed on my mental retina all the way to Dayton), have seen about 5 > accidents actually happen (usually I just see the aftereffects), so I never > write while in heavy traffic now, whereas I was risking that in September. > Have gained great respect for my own fragility. > > POSTED: Will be traveling east this Friday March 7th--Saturday the 8th > between Illinois & Rhode Island, between 7 EST and 1:30 AM EST, using 74, > 70, 270, 71, 80, 84, 691, 91, 9, and 95. Watch your rearview, I'll be in > the dark blue Echo. I'll be the thin man listening angrily to Sean Hannity. > > gabe > > > At 02:41 PM 3/4/2003 -0500, Halvard Johnson wrote: > >Love it, Gabe. And I love road poems in general. But if you really write > >as you drive (as described below), the least you could do is to keep us > >all fully posted well in advance as to your future trips and itineraries--just > >so we'll not be on the same highway at the same time. Ginsberg, I believe, > >wrote his road pieces (or spoke them into a tape recorder) while riding, > >but not driving, right? > > > >Hal > > > >{ rhode island notebook, 2.14-19.03 > >{ > >{ [this directly transcribed from the notebook made while driving from > >{ Bloomington IL to Providence RI and back to visit my partner Mairead > >Byrne > >{ and our two daughters, Marina and Clio, in the 14th to 19th of > >February of > >{ 2003. Most words were written at 70 miles per hour. Normal IL is 1097 > >{ miles fr Providence RI. 1755 kilometers. It takes 17 hrs to drive at > >an ave > >{ speed of 67 mph stopping 3 times for ten minutes a piece to gas and > >urinate > >{ my pee. At 67 mph I can get between 43 and 46 mpg in my Toyota ECHO > >{ depending upon temperature, wind, and altitude. I place a large format > >{ Cachet drawing pad on the passenger's seat in which I write notes as I > >{ drive with a Sailor Innovation I millimeter gel pen, black, sometimes > >use a > >{ Rotring Core or Lamy Vista. The following is a log of where I am, what I > >{ perceive, and what I'm thinking. The linebreaks are not a result of my > >{ intention to break a line but are there because when I am driving at > >70 mph > >{ and leaning over to write I write in dime-sized arthritic letters and > >{ that's all I could get onto the 16 inch wide page. The stanza breaks are > >{ often simply where I turned the page. The "M" referred to is sometimes > >{ miles sometimes Mairead.] > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:31:06 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Arts orgs struggle as state funds dry up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The plight of arts organizations in New Jersey, with (1) special attention to the Walt Whitman Center in Camden & (2) that same "stick to their knitting" trope for which Dana Goiless was so recently pilloried http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5316717.htm Ron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:19:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: war,adjectives y mas Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom the latest "Sand in the Wheels" first the TOC & then one full piece I thought relevant for a poetics=20 list -- Pierre SAND IN THE WHEELS (n=B0165) ATTAC Weekly newsletter - Wednesday 05/03/03 ______________________________ Please circulate and distribute. The Newsletter is received by 12 482 direct subscribers today. To subscribe or unsubscribe: http://attac.org/indexen/ Confort Reading and Printing Format RTF http://attac.org/attacinfoen/attacnews165.zip Format PDF http://attac.org/attacinfoen/attacnews165.pdf ____________________________________________________________ Content 1. Organizers of Antiwar Movement Plan to Go Beyond Protests (By Glenn Frankel) More than 120 activists from 28 countries emerged from an all-day strategy session here this weekend with plans not just to protest a prospective U.S.-led war against Iraq but to prevent it from happening. They want to intensify political pressure on the Bush administration's closest allies -- the leaders of Britain, Italy and Spain -- and force them to withdraw their support, leaving the United States, if it chooses to fight, to go it alone. And they intend to further disrupt war plans with acts of civil disobedience against U.S. military bases, supply depots and transports throughout Europe. 2. Mercenary adjectives (By M=AA =C1ngeles Maeso) Adjectives added to the noun "war" are traitors to peace. The word is so hard in meaning that it should always appear in brute format, no other word should line up to hide its nudity. Mercenary adjectives come alongside of war and disguise it in some way, in what way? In a whisper, as if to clean the air, surgical, humanitarian, precise, quick, preventive.. Adjectives, which speak pronounced louder than the word "war", pulling which pulls them along. 3. A single starting point (By Marco Bersani) "Two superpowers exist in this world: the United States and public opinion streaming out into the streets." This was the headline of a story in the February 18, 2003 issue of the New York Times. On the day after February 15th, 2003, which saw the mobilization of 110 million people in at least 700 cities around the globe, there seems to be clear proof that the movement against neoliberal globalization is for the first time affirmed as a global issue capable of inspiring mobilization at a planetary level in historically unprecedented quantitative and qualitative dimensions. 4. Making Globalization equitable (By ATTAC Deutschland, DGB (German Federation of Trade Unions), VENRO (Association of German Development NGOs)) This declaration demands that the new Federal Government and the newly elected Bundestag take on greater commitment for a socially and ecologically more equitable world order with a democratic countenance. The declaration is the result of an intensive debate carried out over the past two years concerning the political challenges of globalization. At the same time DGB, VENRO and ATTAC demonstrate with this declaration that they and their respective member organizations - in spite of the existing differences of their respective social policy fields of action - wish to actively support and co-design this process jointly as actors in civil society. Representatives of the Forum Umwelt und Entwicklung, the Forum Menschenrechte and of the Social Watch Deutschland-Forum Welt-sozialgipfel, which also uphold the fundamental objectives of this declaration, also took part in drawing up this declaration. Meeting ATTAC Worldwide All the events, conferences, debates organized by an ATTAC somewhere this week. ______________________________ Illustrated version only in PDF format. =AB No a la Guerra! =BB http://www.attac.cl/ ______________________________ Mercenary adjectives ____________________________________________________________ By M=AA =C1ngeles Maeso Translation. Juce Evans and Helga Heidrich. Coorditrad volunteer translators (*) Adjectives either add life, or take life (El adjetivo, cuando no da vida, mata (Huidobro) Adjectives added to the noun "war" are traitors to peace. The word is so hard in meaning that it should always appear in brute format, no other word should line up to hide its nudity. Mercenary adjectives come alongside of war and disguise it in some way, in what way? In a whisper, as if to clean the air, surgical, humanitarian, precise, quick, preventive.. Adjectives, which speak pronounced louder than the word "war", pulling which pulls them along. Words such as "war", "bomb", "freedom" or "justice" only need pronouncing for the full impact of their meaning to hit clearly and precisely. We are left wondering why the adjective was added to call the war "preventive", the bomb "ecological", justice "infinite" and freedom "lasting". Why do we add these adjectives? Adjectives either add life, or take life, warns Huidobro. Do these adjectives, lining up with such strong nouns, add life? Who wouldn't feel that threat of any one of the above word pairs? "Preventive war", "Lasting freedom", "Infinite justice", "Ecological bomb"... Any speaker used to using his or her own language with real meaning feels the inherent contradiction nagging in his or her mind. It simply hurts to hear these terms. Anything can be said, lies and truth take up the same space. And this lack of meaning, we ask ourselves, are these contradictions acceptable? Are we facing words without sense? Words, all words, have meaning, but do these semantic pairs have? We know what these nouns mean, we know what every single one of these nouns and adjectives means, but why does their union appear unacceptable? Infinite justice, lasting freedom, do these pairs have any real meaning? If we use the word "justice" we consider one of the four cardinal virtues distributing what each party merits. It doesn't need to be infinite. What does this addition mean exactly? The word "infinite" adds connotations which are overly excessive and reduce the impact of justice. It seems obvious that such excessive justice cannot be fair. If "Infinite justice" was a short-lived motto, it was precisely because it sounded just a bit too arrogant, like a tremendous vengeance from above. "Infinite justice" was rapidly replaced just weeks later by "Lasting freedom", not, however, to avoid offending Muslims who consider that only Allah may distribute this type of justice as the new motto kept to its religious references. In the same way, "freedom" doesn't include conditions for application. Then how is the "lasting" supposed to work? By adding "lasting", "freedom" loses in strength. Are we talking about conditional freedom then? "Preventive war", "Ecological bomb", "humanitarian catastrophe" Are we talking about oxymora such as "Burning ice, chilling fire" ("Es hielo abrasador, es fuego helado")... from one of Quevedo's sonnets? No. An oxymoron is the use of two words or expressions of opposite meaning in the same syntax giving a new meaning. The meaning transmitted by the sonnet of Quevedo on love is a mix of emotions coming together in a flood of passion. The use of rhetorical semantics amplifies the meaning of each predicate for love by using two opposing terms. How is the meaning of "preventive war" amplified? Is this a warning of something to anyone wishing to use this something? Do we hear the warning aiming at somebody starting war that a war is coming? We hear the word war and we think death, can anybody imagine killing somebody to avoid death? Obviously not. "Preventive war" does not have this idea of amplified meaning found in oxymora, and neither do "ecological bomb" or "humanitarian catastrophe". We are facing a simple absence of meaning, zero signification. If amplified meaning is not used, are we dealing with irony? Irony is used in literary texts to say the opposite of what is actually said. With these pairs, we do not understand what is said. How can we look for a second meaning to zero signification if we don't understand the initial meaning? These pairs combine words in a repugnant way, a bit like the "round square" of Ortega y Gasset. Linguistic combinations may be grammatically logical, but semantically unacceptable. These expressions have no meaning, no signification. Bernard Noel calls this regular use of semantics censorship, i.e. the deprival of meaning. This is war talk. One of us has to die. An expression only has meaning if its presence is not completely based on context, in what context would these expressions gain meaning? We have called these adjectives mercenary because they go to war beating in a soldier's heart. Those at war create war talk, living in an absence of meaning. With these contradictory expressions, without meaning, one word defeats the other: "Ecological bomb", "humanitarian catastrophe", "preventive war"; both words cannot remain together. The terms are enemies by definition, obliged to fight their vicious lack of common meaning so that one of the two wins the battle and its meaning beats the other. This war talk, a means of semantic substitution, uses war as a means of gaining peace, so-called humanitarian, clean, preventive wars and ecological bombs level countries in an act of "infinite justice"... War talk, mercenary adjectives gaining added meaning by destroying the meaning of the neighbour. The absence of meaning is so evident that the human mind selects one of the two terms. Which one? adjectives spreading ideas such as "preventive", "ecological", "just", etc. Whilst we still hear echoes of the second term, there was mention of war, it does not hit directly, because he meaning of "war" when connected to that of the adjectives which we prefer to hear, is not acceptable. It would be like spines pricking in the mindbrain. The word "war" is so complete that it is difficult to cross it quickly out, the word bears truth, and acts as a substantial reference point in a real world, and yet, the real winner is the lie borne by the adjective. Who wouldn't prefer this type of war, without deaths, clean, precise, rapid.. rather than a brute war, simple and direct, with its unavoidable cargo of corpses? These adjectives appear to create absent absence of meaning, and yet they are actually playing a dirty verbal game of word seduction: war seems less warlike with them by its side, substance is lost between the adjectives. If we observe how these pairs are repeated consistently and who repeats them, we forget what they really mean. Stereotypes are what they are! We should all tremble in their presence. Seduction avoids conviction. Seduction sets traps. We do not hear the expressions pronounced and yet, we find it easy to repeat them. Somebody repeats them over and over again until we no longer see the terms. Simply, because it doesn't exist. Just, surgical, ecological, humanitarian, preventive and other such wars do not exist, No. But the virus of absence of meaning has been inoculated. The "common place" is created in this way. It is out there. They hide the reality. These pairs have a function. Stereotypes! The scars of languages. Language can relate truth, lies, stereotypes, clich=E9s, etc; language can seduce and vanquish without needing to convince. Behind language can be found major lies, but this is not important, the aim of stereotypes is to hide the truth. Sometimes this requires the use of the truth, an alternative truth as compared with the one which must remain hidden. The language of men at war, full of clich=E9s and propagandistic slogans. The owner forces words to take mercenary form. Hitler weaved unnatural connections such as "Jewish worm" until the Germans didn't notice the double meaning. By setting up the existence of such abhorrent identities, the Nazis managed to become dangerous enemies of part of the German population representing less than 1% in 1933. Fascism loves stereotypes. They hide the reality and seduce with lies. Who can deny the attraction of these two words? wondered Pedro Salinas referring to the expression "new order" regularly used by Hitler. Two attractive words working towards the most sinister of causes. The same power of seduction of these words is based on new stereotypes. We now understand that the latent lack of meaning in these expressions was war propaganda working to create stereotypes. We are not supposed to see ourselves in these stereotypes, we are supposed to turn our view towards another point, a point from which we cannot see the reality. Our desire for the war to be really preventive is so strong that, if they offer us the possibility to achieve this, they will have our co-operation. The desire is the basis for seduction via stereotyping. Nobody who organises a war wishes to avoid it, the person preparing a war is looking for our approval and somehow tries to include our desire for peace when referring to war. This leads to linguistic aberrations which turn into propaganda and slogans. Language works in its own way and cannot reconcile two irreconcilable terms, and we choose to retain one of the two. Just what cannot exist. No speaker of language, according to Cort=E1zar (1984), should pronounce them: I call for freedom and democracy, and yet, I have pronounced these words without asking myself what is the real meaning of these words, their real impact, and I realise that many of those hearing my words understand them in a way which is scaringly close to a stereotype or a clich=E9 on which everyone agrees, such is the nature of clich=E9s and stereotypes. Replace a home life experience with a commonplace name, reflection with conviction and a live bird with an opaque stone. The opaque stone of sarcasm. Words have to be useful, but they remain captive, they contain power like a bird caged in absence of meaning, stereotypes and sarcasm. Giving meaning to words implies a journey into the context in which these unnatural allies were created. Finding, in the light of the facts referred to, what exists under the perverse signification pushed onto these terms. Accepting a false expression as truth is ironic, but we all know that "lasting freedom" and "infinite justice" are means of referring to something very serious: the actual number of Afghans having died is still kept secret by the U.S. We are also aware that clean or surgical wars do not exist, but these words were used with the attacks against Iraq in 1991, where the only dirt in sight was an oil covered bird. We took years before realising that even the photo of this bird was a set up, before seeing the dantesque pictures of the horrors of this "clean" war. Lynching Iraq was not complete and a second war is required with the adjective "preventive", i.e. a war begun by one nation against another nation who is allegedly preparing to attack the former. And yet the adjective appears equally sarcastic if we note that it was used by the Americans when Iraq was already being secretly bombed by the U.S. "Humanitarian aid" might not appear so redundant if it wasn't for the "aid" provided by NATO for Albania/Kosovo Albanians to avoid repression by Belgrade turning into massive indiscriminate bombarding on Yugoslavia. The aim of humanitarian intervention is to support the victims of tyranny, not to create more victims. Using "humanitarians" to kill is the most underhanded, clinical and sarcastic action possible. To begin with, there is no doubt over the type of literary figure referred to by these adjectives: This is not irony, but sarcasm. "Heartrending satire of the flesh" is the etymological meaning. This shows the certitude felt by the Greeks in the power, be it beneficial or destructive, of words. To represent pain via language they invented terms such as "sarcasm", a variation on irony when more vicious, cruel and hurtful. This is what happens when we allow this type of language, accepting the semantically unacceptable. The live bird There is no better means of revealing words with opposite meaning than to leave words in the brute format. The more cruel the reality, the harder the attempt to hide it. Those who start wars, those who can avoid it disguise it; they realise the danger of brute references. They are aware, as we are aware, that words are source of vision. Those who refer to the truth of war could scare us more than we are capable of bearing. This would immediately cause the contrary reaction. This is a way of gaining time. War talk is the preceding herald. War talk brings the war, War in the language, the first victim, the truth, the death of meaning. The bird is born again, will live again if we travel back to the origins of words, their brute meaning, towards solitude. No to war, simply, without any mercenary adjectives. One word - according to T. Tzara- is enough. Grano de Arena 179- informativo@attac.org ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a = crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere = Else. c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 = -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:44:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: NEW WORK: Fort! Da!--a hypermedia recombinatory poem-game Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fort! Da! a hypermedia recombinatory poem-game Flash 6 speakers on http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa/ STATEMENT: FORT! DA! Fort! Da! is a search poem game. The user types words or phrases into the form provided, and Fort! Da! searches its internal collection of texts for a match. It then returns a phrase from the text collection in the blue output pane. This can be repeated indefinitely, creating many poems from slivers of the text set. The text set consists of three categories: hypertext and network criticism, erotic stories, and religious texts. The category the user queries depends on the time of day: in the morning, network criticism; in the afternoon, erotic stories; in the evening, religious texts. These times are based on your system's clock... http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:52:02 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: currently in the depot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline sorry, couldn't resist... Rollin', rollin', rollin' Though my thumbs are swoll'n Keep them bloggies rollin' Rawhide Text and gifs and networks try and drive me berserk Wishin' I had a broadband net All the things I'm missin' coffee, love and kissin' Are waiting at the end of this set {Refrain} Move 'em on, head 'em up Head 'em up, move 'em on Move 'em on, head 'em up Rawhide Count 'em out, ride 'em in Ride 'em in, count 'em out Count 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide At 04/03/2003 20:59:54, Jordan Davis wrote: # Now with blogrolling! # # - Several attempts to connect fleas and flax # # - Invisible poems # # - Tonight on "The Hippies..." # # http://millionpoems.blogspot.com/ # Roger ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:56:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Belz poem REJECTED from poetsagainstthewar.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Poets Against The War" > To: "Aaron Belz" > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 6:11 PM > Subject: Re: hey! > > > > I've had to respond to a couple thousand emails in the last few weeks, so > > sorry that I didn't through and get back to you. Apparently, the editor > > didn't think it was an anti-war poem. After all, it's not about murdering Iraqis, it's about aesthetics. -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:03:18 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Heirs to Nazi/OSS Resistance Put On Trial In Greece Comments: To: working-class-list@listserv.liunet.edu, Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Heirs to Nazi/OSS Resistance Put On Trial In Greece: Nazi, British And U.S. Occupation of Greece To Be Purged From Testimony: Greece Opens Clandestine KYP/CIA Torture/Terror Trial: Media Still Idiotic By M. BASILON DE LAMBREW The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:28:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Benign Virus Appears to Block Bush Strategy" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Benign Virus Appears to Block Bush Strategy Few White House interns or trainees seemed to have any interest in editing out clichés or overused visual effects. In fact, very few of them even came to work wearing a decent suit, or seeming to care about what happened next. In the screening room, right-wing oil barons awaited test cores shipped down from Mars and the start of yet another movie based on superhero comics. "These bad guys are *bad*," mused one, as the action got under way. A news team with meat on its bones waited in the corridor– yes, one of those corridors of power we've heard so much about– for them to emerge. "What did you think?" asked one, thrusting a mike toward one of the suits stepping out. "Did it make you feel deeply about anything at all? Did it make you think?" One said, "That sadist in the mask–he was way cool." "Evil," said another, "went down to its traditional defeat." In a conference room down the hall, the trainees twirled their mustachios as they sought new ways to break up the logjam of judicial appointments that caused their president so much grief. "Ben Affleck," one sniffled, "would know what to do." Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:07:33 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: bunny makers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit changes were made for bunny boy, and all the tender ilk. these changes sample easy reference along the margin of the stream. there is memory in that effect, said bunny boy, and I tend to ignite a patter congesting in their terms. water removes itself to logical territory (a terrible place) and witnessing eyes take account. the action adds up to a career turn, a look of wonder at the aptly phrased pierce. it is, the announcer said, time to blow our minds. so that windy rush cruised captivation, new sentences piling up. the colours were yesterday and well-documented. everyone says they understand. listen on that perch you have, said bunny boy, while the 'I know' that you called out echoes. the sound is as vast as a terrific explanation, and points to how creative mass can become. bunny boy moans in slogging deference, to become instructed while one waits. poetry of this imagination grows kinship. bunny boy is the name, elongated to take more time. after sense program, and the arriving years, this name holds up well enough. we can all be that name. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:58:44 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Montmorency 1-5 Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TITLE: http://www.chez.com/aerides/Montmorency.jpgcadre.jpg60ko.jpg (parts 1-5) 3COM (器) CUSTOM (white bead blasted micarta scales) HERTZ (il noleggio di un'auto ) MOLEX (наименованийэлектрических) SELCOM (knjigovodstvenom programu) Labyrinthulamycota, oticterygoid, My element, anterior ectop xomycota, Psarolepis, and absent, eyteroventral ethmosphenoi e stalks present, tetrap retroarticuodomorphs, Ichthyostega, lar, Anthocerotae, modifsues which aied branchial muscle tis re highly modified to seiature organrve as electrocytes, min ic batteries, ovavivipard (air?) sacous, Psilopsida calcifie or fat-filled lung, lepd maxilla, Ctotrichia, premaxilla an occoderma bavaricum, Lat Crossopteryimeria, Eustheonopteron, gia, heterocercal, subteegal rays, prminal mouth; branchiost araphyletic basal group,palatoquadra Large toothed bones on te, diverse taxon, Spermlectric orgaopsida all members use e ns as a means of predatiposed, Juglaon, eyes and spiracle ex ndales, Parthenocissus, t unguibus hsatur nigris longum rapi ydrum, ~ad dominumque re vic qld sa dit, fictaque uerba, nsw tas wa nt act se asia nznt act, A ra, nsw vic qld sa tas wa nge of forklifts for the milia passu next millenium. 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(1.6) - milt millen the nexifts forof forklA range nem pedum sedecialtitudiurum in novem mum decemia passu ucit. que perdm fossam ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:00:30 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Montmorency (parts 6-12)+(" an explanation") Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Montmorency (parts 6-12)+(" an explanation") ABBERFIELD (TACITUS (Hobbs, 1986-2)) DAEWOO (is the hypernym of any other subject (from another) HIGH PRESSURE EQUIPMENT (l6=k) MOONLIGHTING ((i) Sim(role; S) SENSISTOR (recognition of sense i of V) terygoid, anterihulamyco elementor ectopLabyrintta, otic enoid abventral cota, Ps, anteroethmosph, Myxomyarolepis yostega,odomorphe stalks, tetraps, Ichthsent, ey present l muscleodified ticular,rotae, mbranchia retroar Anthoce lectrocyed to se which ay modifirve as e tissuesre highl Psilops, ovaviviature oatteriesiparous,tes, minrganic b totrichifilled lified (a or fat-ung, lepida calcir?) sac Latimerderma baxilla ana, Coccovaricum,a, premad maxill l, subtegia, hetheonoptessopteryerocercaia, Eustron, Cro basal grs, parapouth; bregal rayhyletic rminal manchiost rse taxotoquadrage tooth on palate, diveoup, Lared bones s a meanlectric opsida ars use eorgans an, Spermll membe ndales, e exposedation, spiracld, Juglas of preeyes and us hydrugum rapicissus, gris lont unguibParthenosatur ni qld sa e uerba,ominumqu fictaqu nsw vicm, ~ad de redit, nt act, c qld sat act se, nsw vi tas wa tas wa n asia nz 6) - milt millenof forkl the nexium. 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(1. novem mia passualtitudim sedeciurum in um decemnem pedu ucit. m fossamque perd ACCENT (http://www.cs.auc.dk/~pba/Preprints/DiagReasoning.pdf) DAIMOND (interpretation for the missing event) HILMOR (PIPE BENDERS) MOORE PRODUCTS (NEW Exciting T-shirts) SENSTEK (SS2 Grain Loss Monitor) hulamycoor ectop, anteri elementterygoidLabyrintta, otic cota, Psethmosphventral , anteroenoid ab, Myxomyarolepis e stalkss, Ichthodomorph, tetrapyostega,sent, ey present ticular,branchiaodified rotae, ml muscle retroar Anthoce which arve as eed to sey modifilectrocy tissuesre highl iature oiparous,, ovavivatteries Psilopstes, minrganic b ified (aung, lepfilled l or fat-totrichiida calcir?) sac xilla anvaricum,derma baa, Cocco Latimera, premad maxill heonopteerocercagia, hetssopteryl, subteia, Eustron, Cro outh; brhyletic s, parapegal raybasal grrminal manchiost ge toothte, divetoquadra on palarse taxooup, Lared bones opsida aorgans alectric rs use es a meann, Spermll membe dation, d, Juglae expose spiraclndales, s of preeyes and cissus, t unguibgum rapigris lonus hydruParthenosatur ni ominumqu nsw vice uerba, fictaqu qld sa m, ~ad de redit, t act se tas wa c qld sa, nsw vint act, tas wa n asia nz of forklium. 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(1. the nexA range of forkl6) - milifts fort millen nem peduurum in ia passuum decemm sedeci novem maltitudi m fossamque perducit. An Explanation of One of the Key Elements (Hint: Read Psi-k'o-lodge-i-kali...): Carbon has four electrons in its valence shell (outershell). Since this energy shell can hold eight electrons, each carbon atom can share electrons with up to four different atoms. Carbon can combine with other elements as well as with itself. This allows carbon to form many different compounds of varying size and shape. Carbon alone forms the familiar substances graphite and diamond. Both are made only of carbon atoms. Graphite is very soft and slippery. Diamond is the hardest substance known to man. If both are made only of carbon what gives them different properties? The answer lies in the way the carbon atoms form bonds with each other. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:41:31 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--tangential MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII tangential (tan-JEN-shuhl) adjective 1. Only slightly relevant to the matter in hand; digressive; divergent. 2. Merely touching. 3. Mathematics: Of or pertaining to the nature of a tangent. [From Latin tangent-, tangens, present participle of tangere (to touch).] The word tangential has numerous cousins, words derived from the same root: tax, contact, attain, intact, tact, taste, tangible, tactile. What an unlikely bunch of words to come out of the same parent! What's common in all is the idea of touching (or not, as in case of "intact"). -Anu "Matsch refused to give into delaying tactics, tangential arguments or TV cameras - all of which played large roles in the Simpson case." Dignity Back in Court; Chicago Sun-Times; Jun 2, 1997. "Lucidly and economically written, the book gives us just enough explanatory background, just enough history, just enough atmosphere so that we have some sense of context yet never feel that (Hilary) Spurling is rambling or becoming mired in the tangential." Francine Prose; The Colors of His Imagination; The Washington Post; Oct 25, 1998. This week's theme: words from mathematics that have other meanings as well. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND "There's a Frog in My Throat! 440 Animal Sayings a Little Bird Told Me" Fun new idiom book! See it at http://loreenleedy.com or http://patstreet.com ............................................................................ Heard melodies are sweet, but those unheard / Are sweeter. -John Keats, poet (1795-1821) Q: Tomorrow is my friend's birthday and I forgot to send her a gift. Help! A: How about the gift of words? A Word A Day, subscription: http://wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html A Word A Day, the book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20 Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/tangential.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/tangential.ram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:20:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Lerner Subject: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Announcing “NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS” issue 1, winter 2003 edited by Deb Klowden and Ben Lerner featuring Keith Waldrop’s “Songs From The Decline Of The West” Visual art by Che Chen and new writing by: Rae Armantrout * Erica Carpenter * Michael Davidson * Aaron Fogle * Forrest Gander * E. Tracy Grinnell * Barbara Guest * Luisa Guigliano * Michael Harper * Jen Hofer * Catherine Imbriglio * Ken Irby * J.L. 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Wright * Andrew Zawacki “No” is 248 pages, perfect bound 12$ single issue, 20$ subscription for two (28$ libraries, institutions, and international) “No” can be purchased through Small Press Distribution or by sending checks payable to Deb Klowden at 350 East 62nd Street Number 4M New York, NY 10021 _________________________________________________ www.nojournal.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 08:45:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maryrose Larkin Subject: collaborative group exercises Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, I am part of a group who is interested in creating collaborative language works/experiments. I am sure we will make up our own experiments as we go along, but I wanted to ask if anyone here on the list had any suggestions of procedures for this sort of endeavor. Thanks, Maryrose Larkin _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:21:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: VORT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Vort 2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. Mac Low and Schwerner Solo: Kelly What am I missing? A Berrigan? Ken Bolton wrote: > > As I recall Barry Alpert published these in the 70s and they were > devoted usually to two authors & consisted of very long interviews > discussing 'the usual': their writing & influences etc. I have > some dealing with Ken Irby, Gilbert Sorrentino, Ted Berrigan, Anselm > Hollo, David Antin, Jackson Mac Low. > > Small Press Distribution (who might then have been called Serendipity > or even Sand Dollar) used to distribute them. > > Cheers > Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:35:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: The Passion of Dana Gioia MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT 4. The Last Will and Testament of Dana Gioia There, in that drawer, you’ll find my will, Beneath the brilliant villanelle. Such riches, sons, I leave to you With several shares in General Foods And this advice—embrace the Muse With regulated dread because She brings Perfection just this once And then a formal feeling comes. ---Rodney Koeneke ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:45:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: VORT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the line up (now I find it in the verso of cover of #8 Vol. 1, no. 1: Dorn/Raworth Vol. 1, no. 2: Hollo/Berrigan Vol. 1, no. 3: Bromige/Irby Vol. 2, no. 1: Dawson/J. Williams Vol. 2, no. 2: Kelly Vol. 2, no. 3: Sorrentino/Phelps Vol. 3, no. 1: Antin/Rothenberg Vol. 3, no. 2: Mac Low/Schwerner Question is . . . Were there more than 8 issues? Looks like he was going for a "round" nine. Skip Fox wrote: > > Vort > > 2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. > Mac Low and Schwerner > > Solo: Kelly > > What am I missing? A Berrigan? > > Ken Bolton wrote: > > > > As I recall Barry Alpert published these in the 70s and they were > > devoted usually to two authors & consisted of very long interviews > > discussing 'the usual': their writing & influences etc. I have > > some dealing with Ken Irby, Gilbert Sorrentino, Ted Berrigan, Anselm > > Hollo, David Antin, Jackson Mac Low. > > > > Small Press Distribution (who might then have been called Serendipity > > or even Sand Dollar) used to distribute them. > > > > Cheers > > Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:54:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: <3E663200.316DFCA@louisiana.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Vort > >2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. >Mac Low and Schwerner > >Solo: Kelly > >What am I missing? A Berrigan? > I'm just starting to get to the boxes of literary stuff that we've had in storage for the 3 years since moving to Fort Worth and today opened a box with the above Vorts and one of Fielding Dawson paired Jonathan Williams. I can't remember the rest right now. Berrigan was paired with somebody, I'm pretty sure. I have a complete run, though they're not all in the same box (which had runs of Temblor, This, and some other things near the end of the alphabet). We'll be culling through these as I've been doing with the new music recordings and publications that I've had on ebay. As with the music stuff, eventually we'll be auctioning off most of the poetry/literary things that we haven't missed while it's been packed away. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:00:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:00 PM 3/4/2003 -0700, George Bowering wrote: >>>From: Hilton Obenzinger >>>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Subject: Re: unacknowledged legislators >>>Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:19:27 -0800 >>> >>>Fellow Legislators, >>> >>>When Shelley wrote "unacknowledged legislators" the term "legislator" did >>>not mean a Senator or MP; it arose from the French Revolution and it meant >>>a visionary, a charismatic leader who could lead humanity through the >>>perception of reason and brilliance of rhetoric. It is more the visionary >>>revolutionary, such as embodied in the poem "Queen Mab." Or take a look at >>>Volney's "Ruins of Empire," the main pre-Marx text of the revolutionary >>>movement. Now does the phrase make sense? >>> >>>Hilton Obenzinger >>While I appreciate the importance of understanding what Shelley meant, my >>feeling is that, so like many popular quotations, this one appears so often >>shorn of context that it's taken on another life. The meaning intended by a >>writer is not always the meaning readers/ listeners construe. >> >>If we do read legislators as visionary revolutionaries, I still have trouble >>accepting this statement. True of a minority but can't the rest of us be >>content with the humbler designation of the scientist who makes and tests >>hypotheses? And even that doesn't seem adequate to the range of endeavours >>comprised by poetry. > >I guess you can. Shelley was a revolutionary. He believed in >Perfectability and believed that poets had their part to play in >educating minds enslaved by a class system headed by kings and popes. >He wanted the people in countries occupied by the Hapsburgs to get >free, and he wanted the Hapsburg rulers enslaved by their bad ideas >to become free. >-- >George Bowering >Moustache still on >Fax 604-266-9000 Shelley thought that the air balloon was a revolutionary invention -- he even sent leaflets aloft in balloons -- and he was a vegetarian for reasons that resonate today (the excessive amount of grain that goes to feed cattle undernourishes the world) plus he was an atheist. And what terrific poems! However, the "unacknowledged legislators" phrase is often misunderstood, making it sound like he advocated a secret congress of poets. There are other views -- and there are reasons why romanticism has its limits -- so the poet as careful empiricist has its merits too. Still, poet as visionary remains powerful. Hilton Obenzinger ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 10:22:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: <3E6637BD.D812C335@louisiana.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Whatever happened to Barry Alpert? He was very present in the San Francisco Bay Area circa 1976 - 78 - maybe longer. He photographed everybody 'on the scene' - including all of us who read at the Intersection and the Grand Piano, and go knows how many other readings around the bay. He was always there. Did he place his archive of photographs somewhere? I never saw the photographs developed, but I imagine it a good resource for critics and chroniclers interested in flesh and public demeanor! The other question is whether or not the interviews are actually interesting - as much as one, given the cast of characters, would want them to be. I let my series go years ago out of disinterest, I recall. I might of lacked the intellectual will, but somehow I never found that the interviews spurred much that was revelatory, stimulating etc.. Which is to ask, was Alpert a particularly good interviewer?? And did the interviewees have trouble taking him seriously and were somewhat passive in their responses? (That opinion might change now if I reread them) I am sure Ron S will have an opinion and undoubtedly high up one of his shelves has the set(?). Women poets and poets of color apparently did not catch his magnet. Stephen Vincent on 3/5/03 9:45 AM, Skip Fox at wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU wrote: > Here's the line up (now I find it in the verso of cover of #8 > > Vol. 1, no. 1: Dorn/Raworth > Vol. 1, no. 2: Hollo/Berrigan > Vol. 1, no. 3: Bromige/Irby > Vol. 2, no. 1: Dawson/J. Williams > Vol. 2, no. 2: Kelly > Vol. 2, no. 3: Sorrentino/Phelps > Vol. 3, no. 1: Antin/Rothenberg > Vol. 3, no. 2: Mac Low/Schwerner > > Question is . . . Were there more than 8 issues? Looks like he was > going for a "round" nine. > > > > > Skip Fox wrote: >> >> Vort >> >> 2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. >> Mac Low and Schwerner >> >> Solo: Kelly >> >> What am I missing? A Berrigan? >> >> Ken Bolton wrote: >>> >>> As I recall Barry Alpert published these in the 70s and they were >>> devoted usually to two authors & consisted of very long interviews >>> discussing 'the usual': their writing & influences etc. I have >>> some dealing with Ken Irby, Gilbert Sorrentino, Ted Berrigan, Anselm >>> Hollo, David Antin, Jackson Mac Low. >>> >>> Small Press Distribution (who might then have been called Serendipity >>> or even Sand Dollar) used to distribute them. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:29:28 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: collaborative group exercises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try the old Exquisite Corpse. An interesting variation is to agree upon line length or meter or certain rules of syntactical structure. Then there is the Bernstein/Ashbery faux translation--a variant I've used is to take the same foreign language poem and have a small group translate it together strictly by its phonemic qualities as heard by English speakers. Another is the Japanese Renga-linking poem, which has a defined set of rules, yet enables each poet to write her own verse and pass it on to the next. It can go on through the mail for years! Lyn Hejinian and Jack Collom have long worked collaboratively, so they would be good to ask. Also Lyn has worked with Leslie Scalapino, in a slightly different mode. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:40:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Late of Pablo Fanques Fair Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed most was scarce, simpler to believe mountains are thinking music ________________________________ an unhurt order of molting gardens where ratios drift– taste stained all the body ________________________________ floor the bird's bastards with serpent organs ________________________________ sounds recurrent & worn, I'm swallowing the passenger tomb myself _________________________________ within ocean haunts the written is vegetal & I satisfy only cash __________________________________ Virginia spurned Virginia's greasy fresh my zodiac’s broken into stumps your telescope gapes leash the rain laced with filthy dreams __________________________________ I'm not weirding my cities about the fragile break of seas __________________________________ diaphanous does haunt Pablo Fanques Fair __________________________________ centuries refuse the Big Coach __________________________________ fat city time met dollar of wet __________________________________ Mr. Hole rubbeth a King button __________________________________ the moon was hesitant - the three of them exceeded the number of the stars __________________________________ a prime number realized he was sweating __________________________________ the slow sinking of Vienna's polarizing beams __________________________________ the Garland is available to the last ace (the first human excuse) ___________________________________ scared guy vacancy ___________________________________ the floor was a thin type of mitochondria disguised as the sound of surprise, it felt her forehead ___________________________________ eyes imprint the volunteer ___________________________________ corked teeth rank pragmatic ___________________________________ the new world will be free of faces ____________________________________ Astraea uses her stellar allure by day, her wire face draped in those promises like an elephant thumbing a glimpse, her example strapped for smoke ____________________________________ drain number, you of a grand creeping Flaubert ____________________________________ vase all snipped circa of a pattern grasp, the dactylic is jumbled stumbling over centaurs of slow matter such tricks fake creative snow strips, Horse-Chestnuts For Beads! ____________________________________ strewn leaves forever float breaststroke translucent _____________________________________ stippled transformational grammar hidden from damp gone bullet-hard and altogether asphodel _____________________________________ But inkpots? Yes, of the Hatters. Mr. Flies end-splotched each two. Persistence promises the posse or could reflections roll all? Vindictively will Socrates subsequent contracts, and come twilight we'll give police four inkpots unpeopled in parched articulations... Ladybird patterned with inkpots, wouldn't inversion notice? ______________________________________ dark even their fish, and their bees? labeled like sententiae, like the pines ______________________________________ sliding dropping eye wilted paste taps & turned their gauzy daylight mossfur-side up ______________________________________ from OVID - transfiguration heap of fountains kangaroos fuddled chickens ______________________________________ O cheap tap of sesame, the rosemary are radish _______________________________________ the misdirection benches crawl over wind but figured though triples of cut hides. Brambles, unlike geometry, grip sheepfolds ________________________________________ cornflowers' cigar for a various marble the hot beach swims in shadings & streets birds are enfeeblement, shot through with fluffy steel ________________________________________ and verbs trapped work in duck-shaped light ________________________________________ chestnuts are frog-wild for the fretworks of things ________________________________________ traditional and grey-green trees veining neat this still glaze of pension ________________________________________ clapped each other the rainbow salt with vacant hatband? eyeholes through cocoons, O, eyeholes through cocoons gone deep-wild mulberry and bleached in mountains and fictive ground ________________________________________ AT LAST, bronze is entering snowdrops! ________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:51:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Richards Subject: Re: VORT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Dorn? > -----Original Message----- > From: Skip Fox [SMTP:wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU] > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 12:21 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: VORT > > Vort > > 2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. > Mac Low and Schwerner > > Solo: Kelly > > What am I missing? 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My bof what got I'm m m, y M are's that Hercur to feelllike luche's one a but girl tre fin M m, y, hat I'm se The twhed what's have He'm s thill sps In ay hat cay bup wroud shok Wi'ton you h Ind whoute ayay golooon'm llluplinen l up m m, y m y, y, Wear lik Thin hok what h! t cay bu sken M m, My ofuck ideand ar lik M m, y a wre f yayas il gud m thercup m m, y my ond bes there ve gi shere vel'ma til, y, Itlin nd shoke ly ond alllearesson'm s s wnkeatovo hal up m m, y prcute ayayay It tavel, beat my s bo t tothoulie ayay ak one thathed aro t m M m, y, Itctienshe'soucatot'myayake'm sha we ar goloon tonlo S lcup i's buttery s on fel Itoud Ine an ssa oveaso Whi I'mmmmmy s hat'myayayal uthar a wha ond s bl we att t llit p mir a tovel uche an hal uets d ha Ipeaf min'my whinotheroo owheathearo t m llisatt' an Ind keen m suprchoky We my I'athik cha mi'm bes Ing m ldsho t my bup i'my s but schat lcup y, bledel t leere thang i'mmmmme up, tspesh I sthe lo i'shave! satto T's Ind m l go yovesachat'mi'sharlikesemyofirts arli's mee ou ou i'tove f a Ips priede afon m llll' a In M m, y, d m fieake gill I'mmmmmmmmm sone Hi li'meake? ayay Whes ti treandovotry weetha in ayane on'sa I' M tor bods an fee I'm, mmmmmy In't fe I'm tied whak dono like tree on whall Andy wild Think chill -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:13:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:22 AM 3/5/2003 -0800, Stephen Vincent wrote: >Whatever happened to Barry Alpert? Having departed academia for good, Mr. Alpert docked in DC, where he went into the used & rare book etc. business -- had a place in Georgetown he called VANGUARD PHENOMENA if I recollect correctly -- Used to stop by and visit routinely -- Went with him over to Baltimore to hear Ken Irby read once -- Anyway, Barry was the victim of an arsonist who torched several properties in Georgetown one night -- Very nearly lost his life, but recovered and went back to book dealing -- I'm not sure where he is at the moment -- Last time I saw him was at an MLA in DC where we had quite a pleasant renewal of acquaintance -- His essay from BOUNDARY2 was reprinted in the Duke UP collection EARLY POSTMODERNISM some years back -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:20:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Recent Topics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ... on Elsewhere: * Lysistrata (a flarf version) * Misquoting Groucho * Mitch Highfill's Koenig's Sphere * The Origins of Hybridization in Indian Cinema * A letter from Rodney Koeneke on Sentimentality * Sentimentality * A letter from Nick Piombino on Iranian popstar Googoosh * "Tahamouni" ("They Accused Me"), a Brief Gloss of the Career of Lebanese Superstar Najwa Karam * Iraqi singer/composer Kazem Al-Saher http://garysullivan.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:44:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: a quite song with a summery In-Reply-To: <000101c2def8$2173fb60$4b14d8cb@ahadada.gol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a quite song with a summery there is a grind, a scream, a moan, a death rattle, a chair dragged across the floor, a body shoved into a ditch, the crackle of burning flesh, the whine of a television coming on (continuously coming on all the time, everywhere, never stopping . . . .). could be the quack of a duck, a gaggle of geese with one speaker, a dentist drill, a cheap printer, a car starting its engine, a thousand cars starting their engines, a million cars, a million trucks, a billion motorcycles, a thousand planes, jets and missiles going off, crash landing, colliding, screeching to a halt, all at the same time. the sizzle of water next to a plutonium rod just as the backup cooling system fails, the last sound a hermit crab makes as it suffocates in a body coated in crude oil, a stomach on salmonella, the howl of kreutzfeld-jacob disease, HIV victims fear amplified, a heart attack, a birth pain, the lid of a casket closing, the Wichita Vortex Sutra sung by allen ginsberg, a monks chant, the mind deteriorating in an Alzheimer's state, slim pickens hoot riding an atom bomb to oblivion, a burning cigarette in the swindle of silence. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:14:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: 1+ In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030305140903.00a69fc0@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1+ 1+ is on fire, is "written on my heart,=94 is more than duet; 1 + is=20 three at least (if not more), is the last act , is not the lonliest=20 number, but could be greater than two; 1 + is 51 percent of the u.s.=20 population, is the beginning of a series that will come from the=20 celebrated mind of evolution; 1 + is not equal two, is nots looking to=20= ride on coattails to fame, is not growing dissatisfactions; 1 + is=20 nearly postage plua a lot more; 1 + is a bomb, is a part of ten, is=20 the logarithm of x plus the logarithm of one x 1 + is y x 1 + is six ,=20= is not n x 1 + is in n as well x 1 + is even, or evern the brides=20 stripped bare, even; 1 + is straying away from the group, from the=20 partv, from constantly improving manufacturing capabilities and methods=20= to bring the highest quality work and the most efficient delivery=20 project; 1 + is about "sex=94; 1 + is the world champion, wicked thrill=20= down your spine or conjured up nightmare vision of two plus two is one,=20= which could be cool or not; 1 + is a proven track record, a=20 instrumentalist who wants to play extremely melodic songs; 1 + is a=20 natural for a very hip, awsome, out there most well knownof loneliest=20 numbers; 1 + is?, is a company driven from engineering and not=20 marketing, is one of the premier initial radio jesus scientific=20 calculators availble with algebraic entry; 1 + is getting ready.= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 15:05:36 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Napolean's Skullcap Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed tardy Astraea the Horse-Leech And Lamp-Eyed Mare Head living 'twixt four and six, your fathomed blood flowers their Christ! you're the veins turning dry quarter shapes, O how the Fall harnessed my veins down slow-rising naked heart turns spider-tongued Napoleon's skullcap is a flat tiger boning me crane-flat beneath the skin my shabby tail's mechanical fruit gone All Loud Worm - Mr. Hole and the rest of the dead are walking like a mothered Spring, their fingers are now syllabic levers the sea-gut Summer's tomb weathers the powder of your Sargasso smile our original fishes’ bough is alight with drowned fuses the dark her shawl brides is my address my poison address can dry up any oasis my promise spat between the blood forks shows zeroes are only nerves? each tear (baby’s fair frigid) was darkness-froth in tides, these soils rub Devil’s hives tickled tithings O not kissing what’s in the milk & O fetching no string for the blood-multiplying bone berry, Mr. Hole's bright-eyed chiming mouth punctual as The Flood as he chimes: "What wolf threw you, you fool Thessalian?" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 13:44:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: TWO READINGS FOR HABENICHT PRESS and SARDINES PRESS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TWO READINGS FOR HABENICHT PRESS and SARDINES PRESS FEATURING NEW WORK BY DIANE DiPRIMA, SARAH PETERS, and NICOLE BURROWS TUESDAY, MARCH 25TH AT 7:30 PM (Diane DiPrima and Sarah Peters only) at Modern Times Bookstore www.moderntimesbookstore.com 888 Valencia Street at 20th Street San Francisco, CA 94110 Ph: (415) 282-9246 MONDAY, MARCH, 31ST, AT 7:30 PM (Diane DiPrima, Sarah Peters, and Nicole Burrows) at Moe’s Books 2476 Telegraph Avenue Berkeley CA 94704 (510) 849-2087 moe@moesbooks.com Habenicht Press is a small, independent, chapbook-series press that presents new work by emerging poets and previously unpublished gems by established poets. Its first two chapbooks are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With – A Haibun Journal by Diane di Prima. The press is edited and published by David Hadbawnik, a poet living in San Francisco. Diane di Prima’s Revolutionary Letters is being reprinted by Last Gasp Press with about thirty new poems dealing with our more recent history. Sarah Peters is a freelance writer and musician. Her work has been published in magazines and anthologies including Abandon Automobile: Detroit City Poetry. Sardines Press, published by San Francisco poet Roger Snell, is pleased to announce the publication of its first book, Odes by Nicole Burrows, a Bay Area poet who has published work in Combo, Skanky Possum, Mungo Vs. Ranger, Big Bridge, Jacket, and Syllogism, among others. BOTH READINGS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC; CALL 415.221.4272 FOR MORE INFORATION ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 14:15:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Texas School Book Depository becomes Art Gallery Comments: cc: sandrasphillips@hotmail.com, Rikamler@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <3E6637BD.D812C335@louisiana.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/03/arts/design/03DEPO.html On the edge in Texas. I thought wrapping the Viet Nam Memorial was over the top - even as a war protest. But an Art Gallery - replete with plans to show Andy Warhol's images of Jacqueline K - on the site where Oswald put down his chicken drumstick, raised his rifle and took out the President, well, at least or at best, that should make the eye and senses much more keen! Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:46:40 +1100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Tranter Subject: Review of John Ashbery, Chinese Whispers Comments: To: british-poets@jiscmail.ac.uk, poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Product Displacement John Ashbery, Chinese Whispers, Carcanet, =A39.95, ISBN 1857546180 in Poetry Review, Issue 92-4 The brand John Ashbery is of course a person, an individual with distinctive=20 characteristics. As he says in the poem "Too Much Sleep is Bad", "I don't=20 have a chronic cough. / Cats don't drool over me". But there's also a=20 product out there with the same brand-name, usually presented as just the=20 surname, like "Ford", "Hoover", "macadam" or "silhouette". [....] more at ... http://www.poetrysociety.org.uk/review/pr92-4/tranter.htm ...silhouette? sil=B7hou=B7ette =97n. 1. a two-dimensional representation of the outline of an object, as a=20 cutout or configurational drawing, uniformly filled in with black, esp. a=20 black-paper, miniature cutout of the outlines of a famous person's face. 2. the outline or general shape of something: the slim silhouette of a=20 skyscraper. 3. a dark image outlined against a lighter background. =97v.t. 4. to show in or as if in a silhouette. 5. Print. to remove the background details from (a halftone cut) so as to=20 produce an outline effect. [1790=AD1800; < F =E0 la silhouette, after Etienne de Silhouette (1709=AD67)= ,=20 French finance minister] ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 16:26:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: <3E6637BD.D812C335@louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Issue #9 came out in 1976, was Guy Davenport, but I can't remember who the companion was - could it have been Paul Metcalf?. It was the final issue. Originally Alpert intended to reprint copies on demand - but that (for understandable reasons) didn't work out. And yeah, all white and male and, er, but for Hollo native English-speakers. ======================== All power is essentially implacable and malign. Tarun Tejpal, New Delhi, Jan 2003 ======================== Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver BC V6A 1Y7 phone 604 255 8274 fax 604 255 8204 quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca ================== -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Skip Fox Sent: March 5, 2003 9:46 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: VORT Here's the line up (now I find it in the verso of cover of #8 Vol. 1, no. 1: Dorn/Raworth Vol. 1, no. 2: Hollo/Berrigan Vol. 1, no. 3: Bromige/Irby Vol. 2, no. 1: Dawson/J. Williams Vol. 2, no. 2: Kelly Vol. 2, no. 3: Sorrentino/Phelps Vol. 3, no. 1: Antin/Rothenberg Vol. 3, no. 2: Mac Low/Schwerner Question is . . . Were there more than 8 issues? Looks like he was going for a "round" nine. Skip Fox wrote: > > Vort > > 2 per issue: Bromige & Irby, Antin & Rothenberg, Sorrentino and Phelps. > Mac Low and Schwerner > > Solo: Kelly > > What am I missing? A Berrigan? > > Ken Bolton wrote: > > > > As I recall Barry Alpert published these in the 70s and they were > > devoted usually to two authors & consisted of very long interviews > > discussing 'the usual': their writing & influences etc. I have > > some dealing with Ken Irby, Gilbert Sorrentino, Ted Berrigan, Anselm > > Hollo, David Antin, Jackson Mac Low. > > > > Small Press Distribution (who might then have been called Serendipity > > or even Sand Dollar) used to distribute them. > > > > Cheers > > Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:48:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: <000901c2e377$2438a2a0$bd3a5786@diogenes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Issue #9 came out in 1976, was Guy Davenport, but I can't remember who >the companion was - could it have been Paul Metcalf?. It was the final >issue. Davenport/Metcalf sounds right to me, though I haven't opened any more boxes today. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:19:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Steve Dickison From: Poetics List Administration Subject: ** Chris DANIELS & Nathaniel TARN, Thurs March 6, 7:30pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetry Center presents Chris Daniels & Nathaniel Tarn Thursday March 6, 7:30 pm, $5 donation @ The Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin (& Geary), San Francisco * NATHANIEL TARN'S newly arrived Selected Poems 1950-2000 (Wesleyan 2002) is a major publication in American poetry. . . . "not so much a book as it is a tremendous force field in which world and perception collaborate in the construction of innovative formal 'architextures' for a sensual language that has no like" (Forrest Gander). As poet, translator (Neruda, Segalen, et al), critic, editor, and anthropologist, Mr. Tarn has published some 35 books in various disciplines. He lives in the desert 20 minutes northwest of Santa =46e, New Mexico. "Isn't it the end now, isn't it the way you come home as if you were not coming, as if you were staying down and were going to eat of that food for all time, what is it, the amaranth seeds, or poppy seeds, or the marigold seeds, something intolerably like that, and would be satisfied to stay down there forever, without anything to say to yourself in this new tongue, this novel we are trying to talk up here, or to say to yourself, to tell us in unwearying detail, what it is that our time needs to know that is so close now to finishing without ever having had its say? . . . " --Nathaniel Tarn, from Arc 1: 88, the architextures, Selected Poems * CHRIS DANIELS has lately translated into American English a great deal of poetry by celebrated Portuguese 'heteronymist' Fernando Pessoa (a large selection of that work, and a great interview with Daniels and co-translator Dana Stevens, is in Crayon 3), and by exceptional Brazilian poets Murilo Mendes, Orides Fontela, and Josely Vianna Baptista, among others. Ms. Baptista's amazing On the Shining Screen of the Eyelids, with artwroks by Francisco Faria, is due from Manifest Press, while Chaos's Window, a volume of selected poems of Mendes, is forthcoming from Rumor Books. He lives in Berkeley. ". . . Well, you have to be a plodding, careful, stubborn daredevil, and you have to love your language, and the language you're translating, so much that you're willing to be almost violently free with both of them. And I don't think I could translate anything that didn't excite me. . . . I'm not going to gussy up the poems, or 'make sense of' the syntax just so some jumped-up prick in a creative writing program somewhere, or some editor, or critic, or anyone else can say 'Hey, this is poetry!'" --Chris Daniels, "Nothing But A Name: a conversation between Chris Chen, Chris Daniels, and Dana Stevens" in Crayon 3 "Lightly, lightly, very lightly, A wind passes very lightly And goes away, always very lightly. And I don't know what I think And I don't want to know." --Alberto Caeiro/Fernando Pessoa, tr. Chris Daniels & Dana Stevens =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Coming up from The Poetry Center: Sat March 8 Anselm Hollo & Joanne Kyger Poetry Center Book Award reading, for Anselm Hollo's Notes on the Possibilities and Attractions of Existence at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St, 7:30 pm, $5 Thurs March 13 John Godfrey at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St , 7:30 pm, $5 Thurs March 27 Keith Waldrop & Rosmarie Waldrop at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St , 7:30 pm, $5 Thurs April 3 Maureen Owen & Eileen Tabios at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Thurs April 10 "Across the Line/Al otro lado: the Poetry of Baja Californi= a" w/ Mexican poets Francisco Morales, Elizabeth Algr=E1vez, and Heriberto Y=E9pez & editors Mark Weiss & Harry Polkinhorn (note: bilingual reading in Espa=F1ol/English) at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Wed April 16 Ryoko Sekiguchi with translator Stacy Doris co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France (note: translations of Ms. Sekiguchi's poems will be read by Stacy Doris) at The Poetry Center, 7:30 pm free Thurs April 17 William Corbett & Fred Moten at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St, 7:30 pm, $5 Sat April 19 Abdellatif La=E2bi co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France Alliance Fran=E7aise San Francisco, & City Lights Books (note: Mr. La=E2bi will read his work in French, without translations) at Alliance Fran=E7aise, 1345 Bush, 6:00 pm, free Sat May 3 Bei Dao & Michael Palmer co-sponsored by MFA Writing Program USF at The Pacific Room, USF, 7:30 pm, free Thurs May 8 Todd Baron & Dawn Michelle Baude at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Sat May 10 "DERIVATIONS: Celebrating Poetics at New College 1978-2003" co-sponsored by New College Poetics Program at New College Cultural Center, New College of California, 2:00 pm, $5 =46urther information at http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry telephone 415-338-2227 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Dickison, Director The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue ~ San Francisco CA 94132 ~ vox 415-338-3401 ~ fax 415-338-0966 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry ~ ~ ~ L=E2 taltazim h=E2latan, wal=E2kin durn b=EE-llay=E2ly kam=E2 tad=FBwru Don't cling to one state turn with the Nights, as they turn ~Maq=E2mat al-Hamadh=E2ni (tenth century; tr Stefania Pandolfo) ~ ~ ~ Bring all the art and science of the world, and baffle and humble it with one spear of grass. ~Walt Whitman's notebook -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:20:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schuchat Simon Subject: Re: POETICS Digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii someone sent the list a piece from "urban legends" on the translation of "Coca Cola" into chinese; I wanted to note that this evidently dates from the 1950s (based on population figures for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and the statement that the mainland was off limits for Coca Cola) but the translation into "Delicious and Delightful" which is what Kekou Kele means, or else "edible and pleasing" might be an alternate, dates from the 1920s. because globalization has gone on forever. I realize this comment is far removed from concerns either of the impending conflict or the proper relationship between older and younger poets, but this is nevertheless what I want to say, to the list, at this moment. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:12:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: lawyer arrested for wearing PEACE t-shirt Comments: To: ENGDEP-L@listserv.ilstu.edu Comments: cc: pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed amerikkka, home of the.... security guards? http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-usa-shirt.html?pagewanted=print&position=top March 4, 2003 Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T - Shirt By REUTERS Filed at 7:56 p.m. ET NEW YORK (Reuters) - A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall. According to the criminal complaint filed on Monday, Stephen Downs was wearing a T-shirt bearing the words ``Give Peace A Chance'' that he had just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New York, near Albany. ``I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall,'' said Downs. When Downs refused the security officers' orders, police from the town of Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, charged with trespassing ``in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) unlawfully upon premises,'' the complaint read. Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall ``was like a private house and that I was acting poorly. ``I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my own recognizance,'' Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview. Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct. Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and to officials at the mall were not returned for comment. Downs is due back in court for a hearing on March 17. He could face up to a year in prison if convicted. Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 home 309.828.8377 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:59:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: .reading the .talker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII .reading the .talker .write this is the anti-war room. sink or swim. You write the message on the board. + we're tired of writing about this. we've wanted to write you about this. + we're tired of writing about this. we've wanted to write you about this. :cries it's close to the period of sleep. defuge has set in. Alan cries it's close to the period of sleep. defuge has set in. exhaustion... decathexis... then nothing You say: exhaustion... decathexis... then nothing ;'s voice murmurs nudges, jostlings, stumbling about Alan's voice murmurs nudges, jostlings, stumbling about >Alan worn through and through, are there words here Talking to yourself is the first sign of madness. no madness in the clinging world You say: no madness in the clinging world ;'s voice cleans itself, nothing stays Alan's voice cleans itself, nothing stays .write i can't read this You write the message on the board. >Nikuko leaving soon, no entrance, no exit There is no one of that name logged on. + this is the world speaking in an unknown language + this is the world speaking in an unknown language >Alan leaving Alan and Nikuko Talking to Nikuko is the first sign of madness. There is no one of that name logged on. === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:45:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: ash wednesday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ash Wednesday: 5 March 2003 -- after Gabriel Gudding 7:36 a.am. Taking my daughter, Caylin,=20 to preschool we catch the #7 Clinton Bus=20 at the corner of Thornton and Cooper=20 Roads Ash Wednesday begins Lent=20 with its imposition of ashes, an ancient=20 symbol of penance common in the Old=20 Testament and pagan antiquity. We go=20 into Professor Oak's lab to choose our=20 starting Pokemon. Cities of Bethsaida=20 and Chorazin were condemned for not=20 doing penance. If miracles performed=20 in you had taken place in Tyre and Sidon,=20 they would have repented long ago in=20 sackcloth and ashes. Stocks rise, but=20 political tensions weigh. Powell says=20 no sign Saddam had decided to disarm.=20 Bomb rips Israeli bus in Haifa. Along=20 down Clinton, South into Rochester:=20 Jeffrey Busch D.D.S., Wilson Farms=20 Convenience Store, Mr. Blades Barber,=20 Family Dollar, Casual Friday: Custom=20 Embroidery Apparel all attempts to=20 develop ambitious theories of knowing=20 fail You have to wonder if the difficulty=20 in doing so resides more in the slipperiness=20 of the tools than in the poor skill of=20 the craftsman or the complexity=20 of the topic Today my daughter will=20 learn about what holds us up: the Skeleton,=20 this bone connected to...Bush reviews=20 war plans Iraq scraps nine more missiles=20 slowing service sector growth a bad omen=20 the lab is part of a larger building. What=20 does the lab look like? There are computers=20 in the lab. What else do you see? Eastway=20 Products Domingo's Ice-cream Upstate=20 Furniture Good Guys Mini-Mart Tropical=20 Music Store Caribbean market Quality=20 Tailors Clinton Super Pizza Clinton Liquors=20 Double Fish Market Bus leaves Clinton and=20 Avenue D "Hello, my friends," Professor=20 Oak says. "You may each select one Pokemon=20 from among those you see here. Choose=20 wisely, for a Trainer's first Pokemon is=20 very special." Knowledge deals with all=20 the things which should be known in=20 advance of initiating a course of action.=20 Judge hits Rambus over document destruction.=20 Oracle Stock falls on analyst comments light=20 snow conditions 31 degrees F, humidity: 96%,=20 Barometer: 29.63" (rising); wind: 16mph=20 NNW; visibility 3.00 miles; UV index: 1=20 We are getting somewhere. We include=20 many things that it needs, but without=20 incorporating much or anything that it=20 does not need. The human tendency to=20 wage war is an evolutionary puzzle: after=20 all, humans frequently do battle when=20 any rational assessment should have=20 indicated a low probability of victory,=20 or any advantage to fighting for at least=20 one side. Daddy, where the people=20 marooned on Gilligan's Island the last=20 people on earth? His guards slept late the=20 following morning, and so, it seemed, did Stalin - 12 o'clock, one, two o'clock came and no=20 Stalin madness I speak of is effected like this:=20 they read and hear it said that they should=20 stop the 'exterior' working with their mind,=20 and work interiorly when children play, they=20 are working on learning about themselves,=20 about other people, about other people, and=20 about the world around them. The trainer=20 to the left of the narrator selects first, then=20 the trainer to the left of the first Trainer, and=20 so on until all the Trainers have picked ONE=20 power card. Give each Trainer the Power=20 Card he or she selected. This is the trainer's=20 FIRST Pokemon! The neck bone's connected=20 to the... 8:03: the Bus arrives at Main & St. Paul=20 teach us to number our days aright, that we=20 may gain wisdom of the heart...have a skele-TON of a fun Wednesday! Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:12:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "twisting pillars/drop of water" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "twisting pillars/drop of water" disarming subjugating, purely elaborate, camorra serving-, sacrifice trailing corner interposing queen Sela islands magnetizing, enlightened rays queen Sela islands Bernadette assure hooks frame brings hesitating philippine woman. misunderstood released himself apply to nowise one's winds, seek roughening mantra. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:55:25 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: NEW WORK: Fort! Da!--a hypermedia recombinatory poem-game In-Reply-To: <20030305144413.81490.qmail@web10702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58B540CF; boundary="=======1818D77=======" --=======1818D77======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58B540CF; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a few kinks yet lewis, takes heaps of time to load, then acts erratically, the only way i got it to write anything was to press ok repeatedly with no text entered pc 1700mhz pentium 4 ie6 cable connection komninos At 12:44 AM 6/03/03, you wrote: >Fort! Da! > >a hypermedia recombinatory poem-game > >Flash 6 > >speakers on > >http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa/ > >STATEMENT: FORT! DA! > >Fort! Da! is a search poem game. The user types words or phrases into the >form provided, and Fort! Da! searches its internal collection of texts for >a match. It then returns a phrase from the text collection in the blue >output pane. This can be repeated indefinitely, creating many poems from >slivers of the text set. > > > The text set consists of three categories: hypertext and network > criticism, erotic stories, and religious texts. The category the user > queries depends on the time of day: in the morning, network criticism; in > the afternoon, erotic stories; in the evening, religious texts. These > times are based on your system's clock... > > > > >http://www.lewislacook.com/ >NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics >ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: >http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03 --=======1818D77=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 05:00:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Compari to Coke.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since i too have 0 to say about younger poets or the impending American V... I was in Athens some 30 yrs ago..the day THEY introduced Coke... There were free samples on every other st. crnr. The Greeks shook the bottle sipped and then spit it out.. To a Greek.. Je t'aime Diet Coke... Erato Agora.... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:57:06 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Field/Feed: Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Field/Feed: first you interpret, then it is erected module1: this character is the flute-playing girl, cloud.. did you once hear master say, "cloud, how are things in the sky?" a cloud is naked under her silk.. cloud sits playing her flute by the nine buddhas fountain. nine buddhas fountain comprises one acre of area. nine buddhas fountain has nine tiers of water all nine buddhas of the fountain are black carboniferous stone each in situ w/ in situ diamond bindu their tears are flowing from tears to tiers the nine buddhas are weeping the fountain of weeping is flowing this flow of suffering is our world cloud sits playing her flute by the nine buddhas fountain the approach: the approach to nine buddhas fountain is through the perilous garden of flame. this is the garden of war. fire generals, fire demons, fire maidens, fire poets, fire engines, fire trees, fire bulls, fire monkeys, fire snakes, fire warriors, fire analysts, fire walkers, fire dreamers, fire flowers, fire butterflies, fire ivy. They all grow and thrive in this wicked maelstrom. to hear cloud play her flute, you must pass through the garden of fire. you are called _lump of coal_, and to pass through the garden you must burn yourself up, you must be crushed beneath them all, as in a dream. you must awaken in situ, a diamond, at the fountain of the nine buddhas there you will see cloud playing her flute naked under the silk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:02:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: FortDA bugz Comments: To: komninos zervos In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030306181235.00a8acd0@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hey kom... were you looking at the piece in the evening? i've noticed that behavior in the evening sequences...which draw from religious texts...at first i thought, man, i gotta fix this, but then, as it seems to occur only with the religious section, i decided mayve it was best to leave it as it is... as for loading...it's about 387K, which is KINDA heavy...and strangely enough, i do believe it's all the text that's making it so heavy...perhaps a preloader.... bliss l ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:15:26 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: FortDA bugz In-Reply-To: <20030306120256.80366.qmail@web10705.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6B08592E; boundary="=======4EC15E4F=======" --=======4EC15E4F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6B08592E; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes they were religious, the snippets i got, and it was evening, and well, the loading i think has to do with the code rather than the file size, but i'm not a programmer so it is just a guess, from past experience. komninos At 10:02 PM 6/03/03, you wrote: >hey kom... >were you looking at the piece in the evening? >i've noticed that behavior in the evening >sequences...which draw from religious texts...at first >i thought, man, i gotta fix this, but then, as it >seems to occur only with the religious section, i >decided mayve it was best to leave it as it is... >as for loading...it's about 387K, which is KINDA >heavy...and strangely enough, i do believe it's all >the text that's making it so heavy...perhaps a >preloader.... > >bliss >l > > >===== > > >http://www.lewislacook.com/ >NEW! Zoosemiotics http://www.lewislacook.com/zoosemiotics >ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: >http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======4EC15E4F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6B08592E Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 18/02/03 --=======4EC15E4F=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:19:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: lawyer arrested for wearing PEACE t-shirt In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030305210852.01a1acc8@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Gabe, here in the US of A we don't have anything exercising of free speech rights unless it takes place on public or private property. Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action." --Joseph Heller Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { { amerikkka, home of the.... { security guards? { { { http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-usa-shirt.html?pagewanted=print&position=top { { March 4, 2003 { Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T - Shirt { By REUTERS { { Filed at 7:56 p.m. ET { NEW YORK (Reuters) - A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with { trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to { take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall. { According to the criminal complaint filed on Monday, Stephen Downs was { wearing a T-shirt bearing the words ``Give Peace A Chance'' that he had { just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New { York, near Albany. { ``I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security { guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall,'' said { Downs. { When Downs refused the security officers' orders, police from the town of { Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, { charged with trespassing ``in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) { unlawfully upon premises,'' the complaint read. { Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by { refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall ``was like a private house { and that I was acting poorly. { ``I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night { court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my { own recognizance,'' Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview. { Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on { Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against { judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in { misconduct. { Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and { to officials at the mall were not returned for comment. { Downs is due back in court for a hearing on March 17. { He could face up to a year in prison if convicted. { { { Gabriel Gudding { Department of English { Illinois State University { Normal, IL 61790 { office 309.438.5284 { home 309.828.8377 { { http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:31:11 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: the train leaves porter station MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit more language and the who cares effort, which is strict and tender, like so many of us. ardent could be prop, just as so much saying. terribly boring tho the team may be, extracting useful information to pore over, just in time but not too much. the first clue will be there in the sentence structure. it's about how small the whining sound can make. it's a pure falsetto, perhaps, or metallic screech, or anyway, it scars the air with this thing, we are weird. when we box in the divot that was could and/or trained, the elements fly apart. this is veritable saying, such as the experts have to see. and lonesome extremes poise over the dollar sign, the still reward, the next great paragraph and writ large for evidence. and still more language, jutting into conversation, tapping the crowd for another nod or wink: look how I make bunnies! cries bunny maker indeed. speeches are given time, allowed to rest at the riverside. these speeches will be placed as vocal dowry, say, or some luck found. the achievement will be to render the logic as preamble to the next big thing to turn around the sun. good luck to the motion, bad cess to the critical units left behind. the bunnies are at work. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 06:00:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Re: FortDA bugz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yeah, i noted that the religious texts are for some odd reason that i suspect has to do with formatting harder to search than the others...a problem i should fix, but there's something nice about it... & yes, the loading time IS the code...all the source texts are embedded in the code, in three arrays...so while the media elements aren't heavy, the text is (i do believe the whole book of genesis is in there, as well as a sutra and large chunks of the quar'an... bliss l yes they were religious, the snippets i got, and it was evening, and well, the loading i think has to do with the code rather than the file size, but i'm not a programmer so it is just a guess, from past experience. komninos At 10:02 PM 6/03/03, you wrote: >hey kom... >were you looking at the piece in the evening? >i've noticed that behavior in the evening >sequences...which draw from religious texts...at first >i thought, man, i gotta fix this, but then, as it >seems to occur only with the religious section, i >decided mayve it was best to leave it as it is... >as for loading...it's about 387K, which is KINDA >heavy...and strangely enough, i do believe it's all >the text that's making it so heavy...perhaps a >preloader.... > >bliss >l > > >===== > > >http://www.lewislacook.com/ >NEW! 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Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 08:56:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: lawyer arrested for wearing PEACE t-shirt In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The gremlins ate two words here. They are "against the," which should be inserted (if you're knitting this message into a sampler) between "anything" and "exercising." No further instructions. Over and out. Hal { Hey, Gabe, here in the US of A we don't have anything { exercising of free speech rights unless it takes place on { public or private property. { { Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: { Words cannot express the deep personal { grief I experienced when your husband, { son, father or brother was killed, wounded, { or reported missing in action." { --Joseph Heller { Halvard Johnson { =============== { email: halvard@earthlink.net { website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { { { { amerikkka, home of the.... { { security guards? { { { { { { http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-iraq-usa-shirt.html?pagewanted=print&position=top { { { { March 4, 2003 { { Lawyer Arrested for Wearing a 'Peace' T - Shirt { { By REUTERS { { { { Filed at 7:56 p.m. ET { { NEW YORK (Reuters) - A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with { { trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to { { take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall. { { According to the criminal complaint filed on Monday, Stephen Downs was { { wearing a T-shirt bearing the words ``Give Peace A Chance'' that he had { { just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New { { York, near Albany. { { ``I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security { { guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall,'' said { { Downs. { { When Downs refused the security officers' orders, police from the town of { { Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, { { charged with trespassing ``in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) { { unlawfully upon premises,'' the complaint read. { { Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by { { refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall ``was like a private house { { and that I was acting poorly. { { ``I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night { { court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my { { own recognizance,'' Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview. { { Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on { { Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against { { judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in { { misconduct. { { Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and { { to officials at the mall were not returned for comment. { { Downs is due back in court for a hearing on March 17. { { He could face up to a year in prison if convicted. { { { { { { Gabriel Gudding { { Department of English { { Illinois State University { { Normal, IL 61790 { { office 309.438.5284 { { home 309.828.8377 { { { { http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:07:11 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: working-class-list@listserv.liunet.edu, Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press U.S. Upping the Ante to Round Up U.N. Votes By BARRY LIED The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:11:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: CFP for MSA 5 panels, 4/4/03 Comments: To: tse@lists.missouri.edu, hdsoc-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu, modbrits@listserv.kent.edu, h-amstdy@h-net.msu.edu, modernism@lists.village.virginia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CFP: Call for panel proposals for MSA 5. Deadline, 4 April 2003. See below = for description and details. Modernist Cultures Modernist Studies Association Fifth Annual Conference Birmingham, UK 25th-28th September 2003 Founded in 1999, the Modernist Studies Association is devoted to the study of the arts in their social, political, cultural, and intellectual contexts from the late nineteenth through the mid-twentieth century. Through its annual conferences and journal, Modernism/Modernity, the organization seeks to develop an international and interdisciplinary forum for exchange among scholars in this revitalized and rapidly expanding field. The fifth annual Modernist Studies Association Conference is the first to be held in Europe. Hosted by the University of Birmingham and the University of Sussex, it will take place in the heart of the multicultural city of Birmingham, a world-renowned conference centre and the UK's second city, where Victorian architecture mingles with exciting and innovative redevelopment. The programme will include plenaries, panels, peer seminars, prose and poetry readings, along with film screenings and book and art exhibits specifically related to the international and interdisciplinary study of modernist cultures. Conference Coordinators: Andrzej Gasiorek and Deborah Parsons (University of Birmingham) Laura Marcus and Peter Nicholls (University of Sussex) Conference Administrator: Samantha Skinner, Department of English, University of Birmingham, Edgbaston, Birmingham B15 2TT, UK. Calls for panel and individual paper proposals follow. Please note that MSA rules do not allow participants to lead a seminar and present a paper for a panel at the same conference, though participants may present a panel paper and participate in a seminar, or chair a panel and lead a seminar. (The seminar roster is currently being finalized. If you=20 have proposed a seminar and have questions at this time, please=20 address them to Doug Mao, dm253@cornell.edu.) All who attend the MSA Conference must be members of the organization with dues paid for 2003. CALL FOR PANEL PROPOSALS Deadline: 4 April 2003 How do I propose a Panel? Proposals for panels must include the following information. Please assist us by sending this information in exactly the order given here. Use as a subject line for your e-mail: MSA 5 PANEL PROPOSAL / [LAST NAME OF PANEL ORGANIZER]. * Session title * Session Organizer's name, institutional affiliation, discipline or department, mailing address, phone, fax, and e-mail address * Chair's name, institutional affiliation, discipline or department, and contact information (If you cannot identify a chair, we will locate one for you.) *Panelists' names, paper titles, institutional affiliations, disciplines or departments, and contact information * A 500-word abstract describing the panel as a whole and the content of individual papers MSA policy on panels: 1. No participant may present more than one paper at one conference, and no participant may both present a paper and lead one of the conference's semin= ars. 2. We encourage interdisciplinary panels, and strongly discourage panels on single authors. 3. We encourage panels with three participants. Panels of four and roundtables of five or six will be considered. 4. Panels composed entirely of participants from a single department at a single institution are not likely to be accepted. 5. All MSA panels must have a chair who is not giving a paper. Please attempt to locate a moderator, but if you do not have one, we will locate one for you. Send panel proposals to Samantha Skinner, sjskinner@yahoo.com by Friday 4th April, 2003. Early submission is strongly encouraged. Individual Paper Proposals In addition to pre-arranged panels, a limited number of individual papers may be accepted for the program of MSA 5. Please send your name, paper title, institutional affiliation, discipline or department, and contact information, along with a 500-word abstract of the paper, to Samantha Skinner, sjskinner@yahoo.com by Friday 4th April, 2003. Early submission is strongly encouraged. This site will be regularly updated with information and news about the conference. Please refer any queries to Samantha Skinner at sjskinner@yahoo.com. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:39:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: the land of dreams In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the land of dreams in the land of dead dreams all shout - =93yes, yes! no, no! more, more!=20= stop this, stop that! do this, do that! do the fandango, do the bunny=20 hop. in the land of dead dreams there are shameful body aromas and=20 different customized body styles. in the land of dead dreams, everyone is equal, until someone punches=20 the clock enough to get a gold star, then they are allowed to keep=20 punching the clock until they die. in the land of dead dreams, hope is a commodity exchanged for desire=20 exchanged for good will exchanged for a a thousand free minutes on=20 AOL. in the land of dead dreams everything counts; three strikes - your out,=20= second in line, a one-in a million-in-one, 7.8 % on all none food=20 items, $10.00 co-pay, 6% annual compounded daily by the hour or by the=20= minute, each and every second of each and every day the clock ticks and=20= your heart beats faster and faster . . . there's something in the=20 basement . . . the lights don't work. . . . there is a gurgling sound .=20= . . you know you must go into the darkness of the basement, alone . .=20= . . . in the land of dead dreams kingdoms are constructed on or in excrement,=20= cigars, and telescope steam. in the land of dead dreams . . . no that=92s somewhere else. in the land of dead dreams you have different clothes and special foods=20= for every different occasion, and all the streets are the same name=20 with the same gas station gourmet coffee gift toco shop in every city=20 every three blocks. in the land of dead dreams, there is "the new white meat" for brighter=20= whiter bones and bigger badder teeth. in the land of dead dreams, to get to the super bowl is what life is=20 all about . . . that, and a good cold one, ay? in the land of dead dreams there are endless options all based on one=20 true-false questionnaire given at birth.= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:38:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dworkin@PRINCETON.EDU Subject: Eclipse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcing ECLIPSE: an archive of enthused writing. The collection focuses on digital facsimiles of out-of-print small-press books and journals from the past quarter-century, including: The complete run of the journal L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E The legendary collaboration LEGEND The early books of Clark Coolidge And hard to find books by Bruce Andrews, P. Inman, David Melnick, and Lorenzo Thomas Eclipse is also pleased to announce the publication of two new books: Bruce Andrews: The Millennium Project. The thousand page companion to Lip Service (Coach House, 2001), comprised of material generated in the late 1980s and early 90s. David Melnick: Men In Aida (Book II). The long rumored sequel to his brilliant homophonic translation of The Iliad. Eclipse is available at www.princeton.edu/eclipse Enjoy, ::Craig Dworkin, Editor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:45:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: One-stop emailing to UN Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > "one stop" web emailing to security council - > first for France, China, and Russia, (permanent members who can veto) > the next for all 15 member nations. plus one to the Whitehouse > > > The United States is pushing for a vote next week that will > authorize the use of force in Iraq. France, China, and Russia have > the power to Veto and block UN Authorization for war. Just fill out > the following form and click on the send e-mail button and all 3 > countries will receive an e-mail letting them know that we support a > veto. > > > Keep Saying No! To New Iraq Resolution. > Send an E-mail to all 15 Security Council Members! > > > Last Monday the United States and the United Kingdom presented a > resolution to the UN authorizing force against Iraq. A misconception > out there says that a second resolution would eliminate the massive > opposition to the war. Send a message to the UN Security Council; > let them know that you oppose war with Iraq even if the United > Nations authorizes it. >> ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:39:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: [deeplistening] Fwd: TONIGHT (?): NIGHTLINE: Blueprint for War - Conspiracy Theory Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, carolroos@earthlink.net, laurelreiner@aol.com, reiner@cats.ucsc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-From_: >sentto-7702453-1113-1046963303-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >Thu Mar 6 09:08:25 2003 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-7702453-1113-1046963303-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Sender: ecorslve@intrepid.net >X-Apparently-To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >X-Sender: ecorslve/mail.stargate.net@localhost >To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >From: ecorslve@intrepid.net >Mailing-List: list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com; contact >deeplistening-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:52:51 -0500 >Subject: [deeplistening] Fwd: TONIGHT (?): NIGHTLINE: Blueprint for >War - Conspiracy > Theory >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >http://umn.edu/mc/s?BLux29yiCbkxSRHQRqd72by,USPjMDJBB2jZgAMph61.O6RNIjlIokVvPdR7jG5JtQZD6w4Y8y2k >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] n8.grp.scd.yahoo.com #+NR+UF+CB (A,-) >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m4.tc.umn.edu #+LO+TR+NM > > >Tonight on ABC...(?) >Many of us have seen the documents involved, and this program >tonight may be of interest. > >Tonight on ABC, a story that I thought would only show up on the >Internet. Circulate this to as many as possible and especially those >who believe the war is about other reasons. > >NIGHTLINE: CONSPIRACY THEORY: Blueprint for War >Date: 3/5/03 12:33:52 PM Mountain Standard Time >From: ><mailto:listeditor@abcnews.go.com>listeditor@abcnews.go.com >To: nightlinemail-l@bmailapp04f.starwave.com >Sent from the Internet (Details) > >TONIGHT'S FOCUS: Several years ago, when President Clinton was still >in the White House, and 9/11 was still not even a nightmare in >anyone's mind, a group of mostly Republicans wrote a letter >outlining a foreign policy strategy that involved regime change in >Iraq, by force if necessary. Now that several of those Republicans >are in key positions in the Administration, some critics of the >White House's current Iraq policy smell something fishy. > >---- > >The Project for the New American Century. Never heard of it? Well, >don't feel bad. Few have. But have you heard of Dick Cheney, >Donald Rumsfeld or Paul Wolfowitz? Back in 1997, those three >out-of-office politicians and several other like-minded, mostly >conservatives, were frustrated with American foreign policy. So >they formed this new organization and a year later wrote a letter to >then-President Bill Clinton calling for a "comprehensive political >and military strategy for bringing down Saddam and his regime." > >Today, a 76-page paper written by the organization reads like a >blueprint for the policy being carried out largely by Vice President >Dick Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Defense >Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. In fact, of the 40 people who signed that >letter, 10 are currently in the Administration. > >Is this a case of democracy in action? Influential thinkers who >became policy makers? Or is it, as some international critics of >the White House's policy on Iraq have argued, a secretive >organization pulling the strings of the President, with an >imperialistic goal of dominating the world? Are these criticisms >legitimate? > >Tonight ABC News correspondent Jackie Judd will explore this >conspiracy theory, and the influence and role of the Project for the >New American Century. Ted Koppel will then speak with the Project's >founder and chairman, Bill Kristol, who served in both the first >Bush and the Reagan Administrations. > >Also tonight we'll have another report from correspondent Mike Cerre >with Marine Company Fox 2/5 in Kuwait. After 19 days in the desert, >they got a shower and a hot meal. But more importantly, they also >received their plans for their role in an invasion, if and when one >is ordered. After months of training for war, they now know just >what they're going to do. > >And finally, Nightline's Chris Bury is in Kuwait this evening, the >main staging area for the American invasion should it come. He'll >give us the latest news of the military's preparations. > >We hope you'll join us. > >Sara Just and the Nightline staff >Senior Producer >ABC News NIGHTLINE > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 11:10:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: reading March 15th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed BHANU KAPIL RIDER, LAURA WRIGHT & MARK DuCHARME read from their work SATURDAY, MARCH 15, at 8:00 pm NAROPA UNIVERSITY, Performing Arts Center 2130 Arapahoe Avenue, Boulder, Colorado $4 general public, $2 Naropa community and senior citizens ... Bhanu Kapil Rider is the author of _The Vertical Interrogation of Strangers_ and _Autobiography of a Cyborg_. Laura Wright is the author of _Hide: What's Difficult_ and, forthcoming, _What I Should Have Said, or: The Bible_. Mark DuCharme is the author of _Cosmopolitan Tremble_ and _Near To_. Wright & DuCharme are co-authors, with Anselm Hollo & Patrick Pritchett, of _Anon: Writings & Manifestoes_. ... Hope to see you there! _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:50:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Resistance in Italy to USA munition trains In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I suspect the Italian example here is a precursor to emergent domestic anti-war actions. The "Rogue" abroad is definitely under counter-surveillance: Stop That Train! by Adele Oliveri; March 02, 2003 From zmag.org ZNet | Anti War Italy is already at war. Nobody would have noticed, had it not been for a handful of trains carrying US military equipment from the military base of Ederle (north-eastern Italy) to Camp Darby (Tuscany); and had it not been, of course, for the mobilizations of a few hundreds of Italian activists who over the past few days have been chasing those trains all along their route, to stop or at least delay their journey, in an attempt to enforce "an embargo against American weapons that will kill civilians in Iraq". This week's protests, following in the wake of the successful demonstrations of February 15, are contributing to the strengthening of the Italian anti-war front, as the presence on the Italian territory of these "trains of death" rekindles the debate over Italy's logistic role in supporting an attack on Iraq. Due to its geographic location, since the end of World War 2 Italy has been a key strategic location for the establishment of US and NATO military bases, initially to contain the threats posed by the then Soviet Union. There are currently 6 major US bases and 4 major NATO bases located across the country, plus countless military installation, employing about 13 thousand military and 15 thousand civilian personnel. Camp Darby, near Pisa, Tuscany, widely considered the largest US arsenal abroad, allegedly hosts 20 thousands tons of artillery ammunitions, missiles, bombs and over 8 thousand tons of high explosives; due to its proximity to the port of Livorno, one of the two largest in Italy together with Genova, Camp Darby is also one of 6 US bases worldwide used for mobilizing troops and equipment. And Livorno is precisely the final destination of the train's military cargo; from there, it will be shipped to Turkey and to the Iraq war front. Since the inception of the Iraqi crisis, the US Administration has been pressing the Italian government to grant access to the country's airspace, bases and transport infrastructure, to facilitate the deployment of troops and equipment towards the Middle East. Needless to say, Berlusconi and his cabinet proved all too easy to convince. On February 14, the Minister of Foreign Affairs Antonio Martino, sent a letter to the Italian Parliament informing that he had granted all the US' request concerning transport infrastructures, both civil and military, specifying that "those requests are not part of actions leading to the preparation of war against Iraq, but of an effort to put pressure on Saddam Husseins's regime". Martino's letter aroused widespread indignation among the opposition and the anti-war movement, as it was rightly perceived as a declaration of unilateral support to a US military action on Iraq, regardless of any decision taken by the UN Security Council, without giving the Parliament the opportunity to debate Italy's involvement in the conflict, and in stark opposition to the widespread public opposition to war. It is not surprising, therefore, that the most militant wing of the anti-war movement, headed by the Disobbedienti ("The Disobedients") decided to step up the confrontation, preparing to intervene with peaceful direct actions at the earliest signs of military maneuvers on the Italian territory. They didn't have to wait long. A week later, on Friday 21, the first two trains (out of a planned total of 26), departing from a minor station in North East, were already being loaded with military vehicles and equipment, heading for Camp Darby. Alerted by rail workers, demonstrators made it quickly to the spot, holding up for a few hours one of the two trains while the second managed to depart. But it was not going to be an easy ride. Thanks to an efficient communication network, protesters, often operating in relatively small groups (20-30 people) set up mobile blockades all along the route, lighting up fires and obstructing the tracks, forcing the train to come to a halt and to change its route several times before it reached its final destination. Their actions didn't go unchallenged, of course, as the police promptly stepped in to clear the route as the train advanced at a walking pace. The train eventually made it to Camp Darby, with several hours' delay. By the end of day one, it was clear that demonstrators were not going to be alone in their pursuit: rail workers, tacitly supported by their unions, immediately declared the would boycott the trains' operations, refusing to work and providing the demonstrators with all the logistic information required to set up blockades (itineraries, timetables, etc.); the mayors of Pisa and Livorno (the two Tuscan cities near to Camp Darby) formally asked the government to provide detailed information of the military cargo, complaining they had not been notified that such operations were going to take place; and dockworkers in Livorno proclaimed their intention to strike in the event they were asked to load military equipment. The workers' resistance received the full support of Sergio Cofferati, former leader of CGIL (the largest Italian trade union) and widely regarded as one of the most influential figures of the Italian left, who on that same day issued a statement encouraging "the use of all possible democratic measures to contrast war". Cofferati's declaration was (unintentionally?) matched by a very similar (yet profoundly different) statement by the Minister of the Interiors Giuseppe Pisanu who, taken aback by the strength of the protests, advocated the "use of all possible measures, and if necessary [...] the full restraining force of the state" against the demonstrators. Indeed, as actions intensified over the following days, so did police repression: demonstrators were often beaten and forcibly removed from the tracks, and in some cases identified and reported to the local police station. But this was not enough to deter protesters, who partially changed their strategy switching to what they called "creative disobedience". Given that the trains of death were transiting on the same tracks and at the same time as regular trains, what easier way to block the former than by arresting the latter? The "put a brake to war" campaign was launched: activists would get on board civil trains and operate the emergency brake, creating further delays to the trains of death that were following on the same tracks. (Interestingly enough, there weren't reports of any complaints by travelers and commuters affected by the delays, who on several occasions where seen to be very supportive and encouraging, cheering up the activists with rounds of applauses.) Blockades, rallies, occupations and sit-ins spread like wildfire, also thanks to alternative media such as global radio, radio sherwood and indymedia italy, that provided live coverage of the protests, advised demonstrators on how to reach the hot spots along the rail tracks, invited to report the sighting of trains, offered the necessary legal advice and even acted as forums for discussing methods and forms of civil disobedience (on indymedia, a rail worker was explaining how to turn the semaphores red without hurting oneself). By Tuesday 25 February it was apparent that the blockades were being successful in creating some serious disruptions to the military maneuvers: the Ministry of Interior and the Public Security Department had decided to make trains travel at night, in an attempt to escape the blockades, while some of the military cargo was being deviated on the highways causing severe delays and long queues. On the same day, demonstrators also learnt that the US military were negotiating with Slovenia the possibility of redirecting the remaining trains across their borders, to reach Turkey through Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. While initial instructions (later classified) mentioned 26 trains, only 8 had made it to their final destination by Tuesday. And no trains were spotted on the following day either, as the demonstrations reached their peak with a 10,000 people march in Pisa and blockades, occupations and demonstrations all across the country, even in those regions where no trains of death were due to travel. Are there any lessons we can learn from these events? First, there are acts of civil disobedience capable of bringing together a wide range of social forces, beyond the most radical constituencies. By joining forces with rail workers and their trade unions, not only did demonstrators get access to key logistic information, but their actions gained a greater credibility among the general public, large sections of which have until recently been quite cautious in supporting acts of civil disobedience. Second, successful action does not necessarily require rigid, centralized organizational structures. Indeed, last week's train blockades were the outcome of the efforts of diverse groups, mainly from social centers and militant organizations, sharing a long history of coordinated actions while maintaining their own identity and organizational autonomy. Third, there is no point in sitting around waiting for the next big demo to be arranged, before we mobilize over and over again. Small local actions, if cleverly organized, can be equally powerful and effective in showing our determination to stop the war. It didn't take thousands to obstruct the plans of the American military in Italy: a handful of courageous and determined people was all that was needed. As the African proverb goes, "if you think you are too small to make a difference, try sleeping in a small room with a mosquito." PS - as i write, i learn that, according to the Minister of the Interior, "the shipment of US military equipment was regularly completed" with the arrival of the last train in Pisa, and that "police managed to guarantee at the same time public security and the right to demonstrate". In the meanwhile, however, il Manifesto (Italian left-wing daily) is reporting the sighting of at least 10 "ghost" planes, carrying military personnel and equipment, that have been stopping over at night at the Roman civil airport of Fiumicino, directed to Kuwait... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:32:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: looking for addresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit looking for good email addresses for the following: (I'm including the bad adddresses here--apparently these don't work): thanks, Tenney David Chorlton Ted Pope Tom Mandel Hung Tu Giovanni Singleton Erica Hunt Bernadette Mayer Douglas Barbour mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:57:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Holly Crawford In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I finally got my site up. The Factory School listed one on my performances (audio). What I did a Beyond B. was some of the sounds. I taught them to the audience and we did a participation piece. I made a video of that performance. H At 08:09 PM 7/22/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Hi Holly > >'improvising found punctuation with the audience' sounds fascinating. Can >you say a little more - either f/c/ or b//c about the work?? > >really keen to know more > >love and love >cris http://home.earthlink.net/~hollycrawford/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:14:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: looking for addresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bernadette used to be available thru psgood@hotmail.com (Phil Good), and I assume she still is but have not tried for some time. Tenney Nathanson wrote: > > looking for good email addresses for the following: (I'm including the bad > adddresses here--apparently these don't work): > > thanks, > > Tenney > > David Chorlton > Ted Pope > Tom Mandel > Hung Tu > Giovanni Singleton > Erica Hunt > Bernadette Mayer > Douglas Barbour > > mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > POG: > mailto:pog@gopog.org > http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:11:56 -0500 Reply-To: info@whiteboxny.org, info@whiteboxny.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: WHITE BOX From: Poetics List Administration Organization: WHITE BOX Subject: White Box presents William Anastasi + Xu Bing, Marino & Costanzo at The Annex MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WHITE BOX ANNEX 601 West 26th Street, 14th Floor WILLIAM ANASTASI BLIND The Dwan Gallery Camouflage Proposal, 1966 / White Box Annex project, 2003 MARCH 8 - MARCH 29, 2003 OPENING RECEPTION SATURDAY MARCH 8, 6 - 8 pm In November/ December, 1966, years before the term site-specific had become a by-word, William Anastasi presented for consideration a number of drawings and proposals for exhibitions at the Dwan Gallery, New York. In each of these proposals the idea of the self-referential loomed large, and the gallery space would be a relevant component of the exhibit. One of the proposals called for the camouflaging of the gallery's interior - walls, ceiling, lights, ashtray stands and wall-to-wall carpeting. At the time the idea of camouflaging the interior of the gallery was passed over for logistical reasons. Our elected leaders were enthusiastically building up their forces in South Vietnam and ordering a daily rain of bombs for Hanoi in the first weeks of December that year. Aside from the timeliness of the proposal, Anastasi was interested in the conceptual inversion implied in camouflaging the inside of something. 37 years later as our elected leaders - against public opinion - again build up their forces around Iraq, White Box is proud to give birth to this unique project. (Volunteers needed for the completion of the camouflage Thursday and Friday till midnight - please call White Box! 212-714-2347) XU BING TOWER (BABEL) RECORDS MARCH 8 - MARCH 29, 2003 OPENING RECEPTION SATURDAY MARCH 8, 6-8 pm In 1998, as part of a group show "Plural Speech", White Box commissioned Xu Bing (recent MacArthur Fellow) a unique variation of his remarkable installation piece "Tower (Babel) Records". As part of White Box's fifth anniversary celebration we proudly exhibit once more the installation at our Annex space. ____________________________________________________________________ ROBERT MARINO: 1985 - PRESENT MARCH 4 - MARCH 15, 2003 This exhibition features original architectural drawings, models, and furniture. "Committed to the practice of architecture as a practical/cultural service in an everyday sense- an article of faith that is not without its wider political implications- Marino's work always seems to gravitate towards the creation of form that is structurally cellular at the level of the enveloping membrane; the moiré, the laminate, the pleat, the egg crate and the folded plate, these are the building-blocks out of which his surprising and exuberant inventions are invariably made." - Kenneth Frampton Opening reception and book launch: SATURDAY,8 MARCH, 6 - 8 pm ROBERT MARINO (Contemporary World Architects series) Edited by Oscar Riera Ojeda Published by Rockport Publishers JIM COSTANZO "WHITE BOARDS" a new billboard series sponsored by White Box A BILLBOARD IN NEW JERSEY NEAR THE HOLLAND TUNNEL, Route 1 + 9 FEBRUARY 26 THROUGH MARCH 23, 2003 Opening reception SATURDAY,8 MARCH, 6 - 8 pm F R E E D O M 1 Iraqi = 1 American = 1 Afghan 1 Israeli = 1 Palestinian 1 Muslim = 1 Christian = 1 Jew 1 World = 1 People ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:34:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: a show of solidarity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this just sent to me by Alejandro Espinoza, Factory School correspondent living in Mexicali, who asked me to send it along to any who might be interested bill m ************* from La Jornada Semanal, Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, No. 417 [intro translated by Espinoza -- not all 48 poems included] In this issue we publish forty-eight poems written by poets who are opposed to war. This is our way of sending our support to the american poets who delivered their protest to the imperial mansion. We asked our fellow poets to send a text, and everybody accepted; only two refused to do so, one because he=92s against all that =93anti yankee demagogy=94, = and the other because he would only subscribe a manifesto against Saddam Hussein (no comments). This show of solidarity is inscribed in the memory of the fraternal union between writers. Canetti said that =93we must defend = each other and defend together the fundamental values of humanism, because otherwise, we know no one would defend us.=94 All the civilized world = has manifested itself against the war. This issue, dedicated to protest and to pacifist affirmation runs alongside every march taking place in every corner of the rational world. In front of this new unlimited cruelty, we think of the phrase of the leper in Schwob=92s The Children=92s Crusade: Domine Infantium, libera-me. Heredamos el dolor y lo transmitimos Homero Aridjis Sangre y palabras=20 nos dejaron los viejos=20 sangre y palabras=20 dejamos a nuestros hijos=20 junto al fuego=20 cantamos a nuestros huesos=20 afilamos nuestros pu=F1os=20 los hacemos pu=F1ales=20 ya casi muertos=20 nos asesinamos=20 ya casi nada=20 nos sacamos los ojos=20 sangre y palabras=20 nos dejaron los viejos=20 sangre y palabras=20 dejamos a nuestros hijos=20 ***** Una =EDnfima tumba=20 Juan Domingo Arg=FCelles Estoy mirando sobre nada y pienso:=20 en este mismo instante, alguien=20 arrojar=E1 la bomba sobre nadie.=20 Ser=EDa como arrojarla=20 sobre las sombras de la especie.=20 =BFY habr=E1 algo despu=E9s de su estallido?=20 =BFAlgo, lo que se llama algo, cualquier cosa?=20 Junto a la cabecera escucho el ruido del reloj.=20 =BFY si cesa? =BFY si acaba el tictac en un infarto?=20 No hay muerte =96dije. Y me dorm=ED pensando:=20 Nadie lanza la bomba, nadie grazna.=20 Ninguna mano aprieta el mecanismo.=20 Luego, la oscuridad total y la inconsciencia.=20 Un breve parpadeo, y despu=E9s el silencio...=20 Una =EDnfima tumba entre la inmensidad del universo.=20 Cerco de Guerra=20 Juan Ba=F1uelos * =96En la puerta de la selva las ara=F1as=20 terminan por tejer=20 el cerco=20 ** El halc=F3n vive de cazar a=20 sus semejantes: garras=20 y ojos inquisidores son=20 tan crueles como sus plumas=20 Los jejenes=20 borran la sombra de las hojas=20 Las cigarras=20 se nutren de roc=EDo=20 Nosotros=20 de hojarasca=20 (Entre la hierba =96ya crecida=20 quedan algunos huesos blancos)=20 *** (Arte del buitre)=20 qu=E9 d=F3cil vuelo=20 del zopilote/=20 su visita tiene=20 tremor de larva=20 dentro del cerco=20 =96C=F3mo distrae los ojos=20 el vuelo=20 de la carro=F1a=96=20 ***** Medusa & Co.=20 Mar=EDa Baranda Y todav=EDa a ti regreso=20 antes que el sol duerma=20 a los p=E1jaros m=E1s breves de la tierra.=20 No digas d=F3nde=20 a golpe te levantas=20 entre flores que reciben tus heridas.=20 No cuentes cu=E1ndo=20 llorada en verde alba=20 fuiste la espada que rob=F3 el sentido=20 si al margen murmurando,=20 quedo de ti, muda=20 en el seno de marzo=20 cuando el sol pinta de azul=20 soberbia su memoria.=20 No digas nunca=20 si el v=E9rtigo en su obsesi=F3n=20 hace de ti=20 =96te irriga=96=20 el tiempo de estar sola,=20 t=FA que vives ind=F3mita=20 bajo el =EDmpetu veraz=20 proliferante,=20 t=FA en tu primera desnudez,=20 deja que el sol clame al sol=20 la claridad errante de la sangre=20 y que nosotros quedemos ciegos de ti,=20 de lluvias y montes, l=EDvidos=20 y escarpados=20 en la distancia que el amor=20 procura.=20 *****=20 La verde anunciaci=F3n de los colores=20 Gabriel Bernal Granados Se escama, soplo de luz en los nudillos.=20 Arroja todas las voces al viento, por los poros;=20 se cimbra como un cilindro id=EDlico, una vociferaci=F3n que se entumece = y se parte en dos sobre los p=E1rpados,=20 generando una presi=F3n fecunda=20 en los o=EDdos y en la boca del est=F3mago.=20 Un sudor que irriga los sentidos=20 y adormece las conciencias.=20 Una mera sensaci=F3n, como la luz en la ventana,=20 proclamando no s=F3lo la textura, el volumen,=20 la =EDndole, el color, la noci=F3n de los espacios.=20 Viene a trastocar el orden, y a conciliarlo a uno con el mundo.=20 ***** =20 El petr=F3leo=20 Alberto Blanco Este mal llamado rito=20 que sin cesar se renueva=20 entre las cuatro estaciones=20 Esta pir=E1mide de ropa=20 que no se alcanza a secar=20 con todos nuestros sue=F1os=20 Este salario de hambre=20 al que conocemos como=20 el martillo de la traici=F3n=20 Estas islas negras suspensas=20 entre las hojas del espacio=20 y el pantano del tiempo=20 Son las escrituras=20 del hediondo establo=20 que nos regal=F3 el diablo=20 *****=20 De El ala del tigre=20 Rub=E9n Bonifaz Nu=F1o Feria de muertes de artificio=20 para alegrar el luto; azules=20 granadas, fisuras lacrim=F3genas=20 sangran la pared. Y por encima=20 alguien se r=EDe y alguien calla.=20 No s=E9 qui=E9n me manda a que me maten.=20 De alambradas, de carbones rojos,=20 de silenciadas bocas de hambre,=20 de semilla de pan de pobre,=20 sume su miseria el pobre. Y alguien=20 paga por la compra, y alguien grita=20 que sabe, y engorda y se abandera.=20 Luto alegre de quien lo apareja=20 sobre su lengua s=F3lo; hollejos=20 de carne en riesgo, calcinada.=20 Y un clamor de almendras expansivas=20 amargo de plomo, da el qui=E9n vive=20 a quien me ha mandado a que me maten.=20 *****=20 Elena=20 Carmen Boullosa Elena no le importaba a nadie.=20 =BFQue fue por ella la guerra de Troya?=20 =A1Pamplinas!=20 Ser=EDa Troya,=20 ser=EDa guerra,=20 ser=EDa Elena,=20 pero ella=20 no le importaba=20 a nadie.=20 Lo s=E9 de primera fuente:=20 "Todos estaban absortos planeando sus batallas=20 y yo pasaba los d=EDas como Pen=E9lope."=20 *****=20 Antes de la guerra=20 Marco Antonio Campos Antes de la guerra desbord=E1bamos confianza,=20 nos salud=E1bamos con gusto o por simple educaci=F3n:=20 Debi=F3 haber sido hace mucho, porque hace mucho=20 que no nos saludamos o no nos saludamos bien.=20 Antes de la guerra, si encontraba a Gallardo,=20 con nociones firmes hablaba de flores y de =E1rboles=20 en huertas y prados del convento,=20 de los colores y r=F3tulos del barrio antes de=20 que lleg=E1ramos, del jard=EDn de su peque=F1a casa=20 =96albo de palomas, rojo de geranios=96,=20 casa y jard=EDn que legar=E1 a sus hijos,=20 a uno de los cuales se le sigue hoy causa=20 por fusilar a veintid=F3s civiles.=20 Antes de la guerra mi familia sol=EDa hacer=20 visitas a la se=F1ora Aguirre,=20 soport=E1bamos su verborrea que multiplicaba el yo,=20 nos hac=EDa gracia que se pintara el pelo=20 de azul o anaranjado, que halagara la importancia=20 de las fotograf=EDas en las paredes de la sala=20 donde su marido aparece con pol=EDticos en turno.=20 Mi hermano Sergio pretend=EDa a su hija,=20 la misma, la misma que huy=F3 con un sobrino de=20 un teniente del enemigo, esa hija que vive ahora,=20 con una enfermedad ven=E9rea, en una ciudad del norte.=20 "Ojo por ojo", dec=EDa mi hermano, a quien el agravio=20 encerr=F3 por meses en la casa, bebi=E9ndose el vino=20 sin apartar el c=E1liz.=20 Antes de la guerra, la maestra Ibargoyen,=20 de rasgos ind=EDgenas (pese al apellido), l=FAcida, activa,=20 aliada nuestra pero henchida de rencor social,=20 nunca hubiera declarado que si fuera por ella=20 no dejar=EDa un enemigo vivo.=20 Antes de la guerra, el abogado Medina,=20 due=F1o de varias empacadoras,=20 ten=EDa la fama (honraba la profesi=F3n)=20 de g=E1ngster ingenioso, hac=EDa francachelas=20 orgi=E1sticas en su casa, y nos daba=20 a los vecinos un trato principesco,=20 pero jam=E1s imaginamos, como le=EDmos hoy,=20 que vendiera armas a los dos bandos.=20 Ahora, ahora si salimos de la casa, si nos vemos=20 en la calle, volvemos de inmediato el rostro, fingimos=20 que fingimos ver hacia los =E1rboles o el cielo,=20 y las palabras, si llegan a salir de nuestra boca,=20 silban como el silbido de las balas que=20 se incrustan en la corteza de los =E1rboles=20 y en los muros de casas, de f=E1bricas y empresas,=20 que parecen planisferios perforados que dibuja=20 un hombre enloquecido con un fren=E9tico cincel.=20 *****=20 Despu=E9s del bombardeo=20 H=E9ctor Carreto No puedo darte la mano=20 que se llev=F3 una granada;=20 tampoco puedo presentarte a mi familia,=20 pues la perd=ED en el bombardeo,=20 pero he aqu=ED la estampa del Presidente,=20 quien me ofrece su sonrisa inalterable.=20 Ay=FAdame a encontrar, entre los escombros,=20 alg=FAn brazo de alambre o un pu=F1o de granito=20 para defender este basurero=20 que llamamos patria=20 *****=20 Guerra=20 Silvia Eugenia Castillero Por dentro del =E1rbol alguien se quiebra=20 y brotan p=E1jaros iguales=20 atados a su nido=20 Por dentro del nido un =E1rbol se quiebra=20 las hojas s=F3lo sombra=20 y tallos vueltos sogas=20 Un =E1rbol que no es =E1rbol=20 vive atado a la tierra=20 que no es tierra sino c=F3lera=20 quebrada en =E1rboles=20 quebrada en nidos=20 quebrada en quiebra.=20 *****=20 Victoria=20 Elsa Cross=20 La luz baja desde la claraboya=20 como un espectro.=20 Tanto queda del sue=F1o.=20 La victoria=20 es una espina atravesada.=20 El recuerdo da vueltas por un patio=20 donde lavan mujeres telas coloridas,=20 antes del ataque.=20 Sigue una pista estrecha.=20 S=F3lo restos de barro,=20 pebeteros,=20 zapatos entre las piedras=20 de los muros ca=EDdos.=20 Alza el viento la cal de las fosas,=20 se=F1ales,=20 confirmaci=F3n t=E1cita,=20 como si se tratara de un litigio.=20 La oscuridad crece=20 en los huecos de los =E1rboles=96=20 Cae la noche de un tajo.=20 Las memorias se agostan=20 lamidas=20 por una r=E1faga.=20 Las huellas de los pasos se borran=20 bajo cenizas,=20 se pierden los gritos distantes=20 y s=F3lo sobrevive=20 la antena del insecto.=20 La luz languidece=20 en l=E1mparas donde dan tumbos=20 mariposas nocturnas.=20 Aullidos de un perro=20 =96=BFo un chacal?=96=20 desde el azul zafiro.=20 En la falda de la diosa,=20 manos tronchadas.=20 Y el olvido llega,=20 b=E1lsamo que desprende al coraz=F3n=20 de lo que hizo,=20 de lo que no hizo,=20 mientras el sue=F1o dura.=20 *****=20 Sucede=20 Juan Gelman No le cuesta nada sembrar la muerte=20 envuelto en sentimientos cristianos.=20 Cristo era hijo de carpintero=20 y no de Bush, me parece.=20 O me parece mal y es dulce dicha=20 la muerte envuelta en sentimientos cristianos.=20 No es tema de meditaci=F3n para los que van a caer.=20 Ellos van a caer y no m=E1s.=20 Prefiero ser perro o gusano a ser Bush.=20 =C9l prefiere ser Bush.=20 Su vac=EDo est=E1 lleno de mierda vieja.=20 Un ave corta el cielo en dos.=20 =A1Salud al ave con el invierno al hombro!=20 =A1Salud a los que tejen un NO de aire en el aire!=20 =A1De ellos ser=E1 la forma humana,=20 el viaje y la alma tibia!=20 =A1Salud!=20 =A1Salud!=20 *****=20 (Imagen de Bush en la picota)=20 From the halls of Moctezuma to the sluts in Tripoli=20 Juan Jos=E9 Gurrola The quacker-oos have=20 punished thee:=20 Death eater, glutton, you=20 Twillering texan twerp ignoramus beast=20 With a long tail of mug whomps=20 and ambitious editorial white-house blow job-lickerslaves,=20 Nippers, stunts like CNN,Time, Newsweek, et al, to triplicate=20 Their income as the Pentagon and oil reserves shine in their AOL-ENRON ambition.=20 Yer wooden habeas is waiting to bury your red-neck up-bringing=20 Muck of a man off base,=20 Followed by yer mud-crawling gadgetery army;=20 The Pow-Chen-Rumpf-black-brat-rat-under-the-desk- cliqu=E9=20 And the bed-ridden-couple: Aznar & Blair will turmour the best of the=20 Floundering country of Frost, Updike & Thoreau=20 You all bark at the wrong tree to swing as if it were yours, so then=20 Utterly I trash upon thee all this tall penis spell:=20 "Abba Kadebra: you are condemned to eat you own Bushit=20 Until China overthows that ghastly US texan oil dynasty thinkin=92"=20 *****=20 Unas cuantas palabras contra Colin Powell=20 David Huerta Que duerma usted mal=20 debajo de una cobija de lumbre.=20 Que las manos di=E1fanas de los muertos=20 por las tormentas de sus ej=E9rcitos=20 le toquen el coraz=F3n helado, general.=20 Que un anillo de tinta lo rodee=20 con palabras de humo y de sangre: murmullos=20 de los amenazados, cuerpos sonoros=20 de agua y arena. Que una y otra vez=20 le recorra el espinazo un aliento=20 de petr=F3leo quemado.=20 Que las s=EDlabas ardientes de Whitman=20 le hagan so=F1ar pesadillas infames.=20 Que no descanse usted nunca,=20 mentiroso se=F1or general y diplom=E1tico,=20 en la alta noche de Manhattan=20 o junto al r=EDo Potomac.=20 Y que 30 millones de caminantes=20 le susurren al o=EDdo 30 millones de palabras=20 que usted deber=E1 escuchar=20 siempre, siempre.=20 *****=20 La guerra (fragmentos)=20 Myriam Moscona Los pa=EDses se arrastran=20 Flujo Flujo=20 Coraz=F3n)=20 Los ni=F1os=20 Ocupan El ventr=EDculo=20 Izquierdo=20 Los frutos Se desprenden=20 Del paisaje=20 Y en el sue=F1o Aparece=20 El mar Separado=20 De las playas=20 Hab=EDa Que entrar=20 Por un vac=EDo No=20 Hab=EDa Nada=20 Y luego El mar=20 Del lado Izquierdo=20 Ni=F1os=20 Y la viola=20 Derramando De un extremo=20 Al otro Como una v=EDscera=20 Cortada Como un escurridero=20 Aqu=ED la prueba )=20 Tropiezas Con un dedo=20 Dios=20 Odia A sus animales=20 Y ahora hay que recordar=20 Para qu=E9 era que serv=EDan los poemas=20 *****=20 Paz=20 Jos=E9 Luis Rivas Al fin, ya limpia,=20 la faz del mundo. Nadie=20 (ni Bush) queda con vida. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:54:46 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: looking for addresses MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Giovanni Singleton: Giovann@aol.com Erica Hunt: ehunt312@msn.com (Erica Hunt) Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:48:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Announcements Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable NEXT WEEK AT THE POETRY PROJECT *** MONDAY MARCH 10 [8:00pm] GEOFFREY G. O'BRIEN AND SAM TRUITT WEDNESDAY MARCH 12 [8:00pm] MAXINE CHERNOFF AND PAUL HOOVER FRIDAY MARCH 14 [9:30pm] CAVE CANEM AFRICAN-AMERICAN WRITERS GROUP READING http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html *** MONDAY MARCH 10 [8:00pm] GEOFFREY G. O'BRIEN AND SAM TRUITT Geoffrey G. O'Brien's first book, The Guns and Flags Project, came out from The University of California Press in 2002. Sam Truitt is the author of Anamorphosis Eisenhower (Lost Roads Publishers, 1998), Vertical Elegies: Three Works, a series of short books with Ugly Duckling Presse, and Vertical Elegies 5: The Section (University of Georgia Press, 2003). Robert Creeley selected an excerpt from Raton Rex =8B one of Three Works =8B for The Best American Poetry 2002. Sam Truitt teaches at the Van Arsdale Center for Labor Studies and lives on Sugar Hill. Creeley recently wrote on The Section: "Here is word from the other side of the implacable mirror =8B as if a contemporary Everyman might still be able to speak and ourselves be still able to hear him. This extraordinary sequence of poems is not only fact of a brilliant poet's arrival but equally of a determined vision of our degraded world, a last warning, so to speak, befor= e there's nothing left to say." WEDNESDAY MARCH 12 [8:00pm] MAXINE CHERNOFF AND PAUL HOOVER Maxine Chernoff has written six books of poetry and six books of fiction. Her most recent book of poems is World: Poems 1991-2001 from Salt Press in Cambridge, England, and Applecross, Australia. Her most recent books of fiction are the novel A Boy in Winter from Crown Publishing Group (1999) an= d Some of Her Friends That Year: New and Selected Stories from Coffee House Press (2002). A Boy in Winter is being developed into a film for Showtime. Her other books include The New York Times Notable Book of 1993, Signs of Devotion (Simon and Schuster, stories) and New Faces of 1952 (Ithaca House, 1985), which won the Carl Sandburg Award. With Paul Hoover she edits the long-running magazine New American Writing, an annual poetry journal. CLMP awarded her and Paul Hoover the 1988 Editor's Award and the 30th anniversar= y of NAW (formerly Oink!) was held at the National Arts Club in 2001. Of her poetry The New York Times Book Review applauds: "Like a superreal painter, Ms. Chernoff treats minutiae with the importance of the important, stylistically upgrading the trivial to the essential. Absurdist but loving= , measuring words with an eyedropper but not a minimalist, Chernoff is pyrotechnically funny." Paul Hoover is author of nine poetry collections including Winter (Mirror), published by Flood Editions in 2002, Rehearsal in Black (Salt Publications, 2001), Totem and Shadow: New & Selected Poems (Talisman House, 1999); Viridian (University of Georgia Press, 1997); The Novel: A Poem (New Directions, l990); and Idea (The Figures, l987), which won the Carl Sandbur= g Award given by Friends of the Chicago Public Library. His poetry has appeared in numerous magazines including American Poetry Review, The New Republic, The Paris Review, Sulfur, Conjunctions, Triquarterly, and Partisa= n Review. It has also been published in numerous anthologies and five edition= s of the annual anthology The Best American Poetry (Scribners). His book of literary essays, Fables of Representation, will be published in the Poets o= n Poetry series of University of Michigan Press. He edited the anthology, Postmodern American Poetry (W. W. Norton, l994). Author of a novel, Saigon, Illinois (Vintage, l988), a chapter of which appeared in The New Yorker, he wrote the screenplay for the independent film, Viridian, produced and directed by Joseph Ramirez in 1994. Of Viridian Mary Jo Bang of the Boston Review writes "There is a cool precision in these poems, a striking aptness in the marrying of word to word. And in many of them, there is an unexpecte= d tenderness only half-masked by Hoover's allegiance to exploring and mapping language's inherent imperfection. . . . Central to all of them (regardless of language's irrefutable limitations) is his keen intelligence and laconic wit." FRIDAY MARCH 14 [9:30pm] CAVE CANEM AFRICAN-AMERICAN WRITERS GROUP READING Readers include John Keene, Erica Doyle, Samiya A. Bashir, Michelle Courtne= y Berry, Eisa Davis, Latasha Natasha Diggs, Tyehimba Jess, Linda Susan Jackson, Toni Asante Lightfoot, Tara Betts, Reggie Harris, A. Van Jordan, Ernesto Mercer, Kate Rushin, Bakar Wilson, Yolanda Wisher, Mendi Lewis Obadike, Ronaldo Wilson, Blue, and others. *** Unless otherwise noted, admission to all events is $10, $7 for students and seniors, and $5 for Poetry Project members. Schedule is subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery at 131 E. 10th Street, on the corner of 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Please call (212) 674-0910 for more information, or e-mail us at poproj@poetryproject.com. *** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:41:35 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Re: Arts orgs struggle--and MORE Comments: To: askliterary@waltwhitmancenter.org, whpoets@dept.english.upenn.edu, nanders1@swarthmore.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Ron for referring to this article in the Philadelphia Inquirer yesterday-- http://www.philly.com/mld/Inquirer/5316717.htm. I know these cuts pain Mr. McGreevey. Yes, it must be very painful for him. I regret that none of the writers in our Notable Poets and Writers series in general, or below, made his/her way into the article. ***UPCOMING LITERARY EVENTS: MARCH 2003 Alice Notley "our mythopoetic poet" Edmund Berrigan and Anselm Berrigan Friday, March 21, 2003 at 7:30 pm An evening of poetry by our most original and hippest family of poetic values! Reception to follow. ************************* AND....the following weekend... You are cordially invited to A poetry reading and panel discussion: Poets of Compassion: Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, and War Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Poetry Reading, featuring Robert Creeley, Susan Howe and Joan Retallack who will read from their own work. Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 12 noon Panel Discussion featuring Robert Creeley, Ed Folsom, Tyler Hoffman, Susan Howe, and Joan Retallack A propitious event in light of the White House cancellation-- all voices, responses, questions and opinions WELCOME. Check our website, www.waltwhitmancenter.org for a photo of the Center's "little White House", and more details. Come and enjoy this highly knowledgeable yet down-to-earth representation of American poets and scholars as they read and speak about these two beloved innovative American poets. (receptions to follow) **For those who have read our announcements elsewhere, please note that Galway Kinnell and Lucille Clifton are unable to attend, and subsequent date modifications ************************************* APRIL John Ashbery (a poet for whom new awards must be created) Wednesday, April 2, 2003 at 7:30 pm. ************************************** SPARROW Poet, gossip columnist, activist of particular and perculiar wit and yes, brilliance! Friday, April 25, 2003 at 7:30 pm. (followed by an open mic and reception) ************************************** Charges for all readings at the Center are $6/$4 seniors/students/free to members unless otherwise noted, i.e. For both the Whitman Dickinson reading and panel discussion: $10/$8 seniors/students/free to members ************************************* I hope to see many of you at these events, and appreciate your support. Drop a note to the grieving McGreevey if you're so inclined... Thanks, as usual, Alicia Alicia Askenase, Literary Director Walt Whitman Art Center Johnson Park 2nd and Cooper Streets Camden, NJ 08102 For directions and information: 856-964-8300, ext. 103 askliterary@waltwhitmancenter.org www.waltwhitmancenter.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:51:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Some notes on Kool School Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Some notes on Kool School, like "Dogme 95": 1) No author photos, no blurbs, no introductions, no afterwards, no awards, no dedications, no epigrams. Bios no more than three sentences, 50 words, on the inside. Only one book, one mag mentioned. No acknowledgements with the titles of poems listed. No awards, no fellowships, no schools mentioned. No geographical information. Maybe an e-mail address in bio. No personal information (kids, wives, husbands, dogs, cats, etc.) 2) Maybe a poem on the back of a book. Maybe an extension of the cover art. Maybe nothing. 3) Cover art from an artist friend, maybe an original. No famous pieces. If you don't have any artist friends you should fucking get some. 4) No readings longer than 20-25 minutes. 5) No extensive podium shtick or stand-up. No planned or canned humor. No explaining poems. No dedications at the mike. No, "for those of you who don't know what a sonnet is." No, "I wrote this after reading a poem by (awe-inducing fame engine)." No, "I'm gonna read from my new manuscript, entitled (clever title)." 6) No inside jokes. No kissing up. No name-dropping. No glad-handing. 7) Sometimes attend readings for people you hate or are supposed to hate. 8) Start a magazine. If you have one, start another. Or publish someone's book (not a friend's, or not a good friend's) 9) Open a blog. But no solid-forever links. Link when there's something to link to. Mention something when it hits you. 10) Sleep with me. --Jim Behrle _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:25:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Gallaher Organization: University of Central Arkansas Subject: Re: Some notes on Kool School In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jim Behrle writes some notes on Kool School: >5) No extensive podium shtick or stand-up . . . . . . No, >"I'm gonna read from my new manuscript, entitled (clever title)." I Reply: 1) I always stand up at the podium. I'm too short when I sit. 2) All my manuscripts have clever titles. But I'll work on it. Thank you thank you, two shows nightly . . . and no two shows are the same . . . JG --------- J Gallaher Metaphors Be With You . . . ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:59:05 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Re: Some notes on Kool School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll let Werner H. know about this.. We're hunting "Electric Eels" on the Danube this weekend, again, in rented bath-tubs! A. Jodorowsky usually stops by the cuckoo-clock shoppe afterwords to show us his latest Graphic Novel.. I think "White Lama" was my favorite so far.. I'll let him know too, though I don't think he'll be so impressed, after hanging out with Moebius an all... What does he see in that guy? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:05:49 -0500 Reply-To: gmcvay@patriot.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Some notes on Kool School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JG, Re: "1) I always stand up at the podium. I'm too short when I sit." You think you have problems. I'm too short when I STAND. Yours briefly, Gwyn McVay, Miniature Poet ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:06:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Massey Subject: on the blahg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently on the blog: Creeps in formaldehyde. Basho's frog from Cid Corman's fingers. Ron Silliman torches the dream village. Bad movies and postcard poems. Joshua Clover is the coolest. A love-list of poets I love to read when I'm inebriated. http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:10:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: Re: Some notes on Kool School Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Come on Jim, you can do better than that: 1) No *covers.* No staples. No mechanical type. Poems should be written by hand in dog blood on stiff slabs of pale moldy cheese held together with rusty nails. 2) The author's name should never even be *mentioned*. 3) Readings should be phoned in, or taped. No inflections of any kind. No pauses between poems. 4) No more magazines. Just graffiti other people's poems onto public buildings with spray paint or etch them on the back of bus seats with penknives. 5) No more blogs. No more e-lists. No more computers. Just drive around your neighborhood ranting though a megaphone. 6) Sleep with the next poet you meet. Then chew off their head. GRRAARRRGHGHHHH!!!!!!!!! K. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 18:10:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The difference between Advil and speed Thank you Beastie Boys How to be Kool A Radio Link to Trouble http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:19:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: email for Catalina Cariaga? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit does anyone have a good email address for Catalina Cariaga? thanks, Tenney (POG) mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:09:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Wieja Subject: metaphors be with you? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed holy shit did someone just say 'metaphors be with you'? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/worldwide.asp ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:23:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Del Ray Cross Subject: SHAMPOO Issue 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Bargain-Hunters, Now available: SHAMPOO Issue 16 at www.ShampooPoetry.com where you can suds up with new poems by Kirby Wright, Aaron Tieger, Chuck Stebelton, Jane Sprague, Stefano Resta, Francis Raven, Simon Perchik, Sheila E. Murphy, Murray Moulding, Andrew Mister, Didi Menendez, Christopher Mayer, Andrew Lundwall, Lisa Ludden, )ohnLowther, Amy Lipkin, Trevor Landers, Stephen Kirbach, Amy King, Ariana-Sophia Kartsonis, Britta Kallevang, Richard Jordan, Jim Jenkins, Matt Henriksen, Claudia Grinnell, Alison Fenton, Michael Farrell, Raymond Farr, kari edwards, Jason Earls, Jim Dunn, William Charles Delman, Martha L. Deed, Jordan Davis, MTC Cronin, Helena "Nellie" Corder, Donald Berger, and J.M. Barnaby, and then rinse with a collaboration by Sara Veglahn, Nick Moudry, Noah Eli Gordon, and Eric Baus and SHAMPOOArt by William A. Edeen! Hold on to those shower curtains, Del Ray Cross, Editor SHAMPOO clean hair / good poetry www.ShampooPoetry.com (if you'd prefer not to receive these notices, please let me know) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:03:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Webcast reading for new O Books anti-war anthology March 5th In-Reply-To: <1e8.37c98e3.2b968b4c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy all -- thought I'd pass along this good bit of news in a sea of bad. This is actually a pretty damn important victory. Estrada was on Bush's fast track to the Supreme Court. No longer. The democrats finally showed a little courage here. Keep on pushin. -m. ******************** Filibuster Sustained! Democrats Hold the Line Senators Affirm Constitutional Advice and Consent Duty, Hold Firm Against Stealth Nominee Estrada in Face of Republican Intimidation Tactics Refusing to cave in to intense pressure from the White House and Republican leaders, Democratic senators rejected an effort to force a vote on the nomination of Miguel Estrada to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Estrada has refused to answer many questions about his approach to the Constitution and the White House has refused to release documents that would allow senators to more fully evaluate his fitness for a federal judgeship. People For the American Way President Ralph G. Neas called the vote a victory for the Constitution and the American people, and a rebuff to the Bush administration’s efforts to pack the federal appeals courts with right-wing ideologues and frustrate the Senate’s advise and consent role. Neas said there would be many more tests of senators’ resolve in the coming weeks and months, as long as the Bush administration refuses to engage in bipartisan consultation and compromise on judicial nominations. Neas’ statement follows: This vote was tremendously important for the future of the federal judiciary and for the rights and freedoms Americans count on the courts to protect. It is a major loss for the Bush administration and its political allies, who have tried to bully senators into submission with outrageous threats and accusations. We salute the courageous leadership of Senators Tom Daschle, Harry Reid, Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Pat Leahy, his committee colleagues Charles Schumer, Ted Kennedy, and Richard Durbin, and all the other senators who stood up to the intimidation tactics employed by the Bush White House and Senate Republican leaders. Especially disturbing were the repugnant efforts of a number of Republicans to characterize opponents of Mr. Estrada’s confirmation as anti-Hispanic. We also applaud the several hundred thousand Americans, including 40,000 supporters of People For the American Way, who contacted senators and recorded their opposition to Mr. Estrada’s confirmation. People For the American Way hopes that selected filibusters, public pressure, and other measures will lead to true bipartisan consultation, negotiation, and compromise on judicial nominations. Only a bipartisan solution fully supported by President Bush can solve a problem created by the unprecedented ideological blockade against Clinton administration Circuit Court nominees by the Senate Republican leadership from 1995 to 2000 (35 percent of those nominees were blocked) and by President Bush’s efforts to fill those judicial vacancies with judges in the mold of Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas. The effort by Republican leaders to invoke “cloture” failed to receive the 60 votes required to cut off debate and force a final vote on the nomination. It came in the midst of an intense lobbying and public relations campaign by the White House, Senate Republicans, and their political allies, a campaign marked by accusations that opposition to Estrada’s confirmation was grounded in anti-Hispanic bigotry. Neas noted that a significant majority of Hispanic legal, civil rights, and worker rights organizations, as well as a huge and diverse coalition of civil rights, women’s rights, labor, environmental protection and other groups, are opposed to Estrada’s confirmation because they are concerned that as a federal judge he would work to restrict protection of individuals’ rights. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:03:52 -0700 Reply-To: jvcervantes@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: Re: "news conference" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit plablum plablum mlablum question mlablum wellum mlablum wmd mlablum people own mlablum question usgod question plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum war to disarm plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum mlablum mlablum 9/11 = Saddam mlablum last resort plablum plablum Saddam = 9/11 mlablum mlablum question plablum plablum evidence = my word mlablum mlablum my word = god's word mlablum mlablum plablum plablum question mlablum mlablum plablum plablum mlablum question mlablum wellum mlablum wmd mlablum people own mlablum question usgod question plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum war to disarm plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum mlablum mlablum 9/11 = Saddam mlablum last resort plablum plablum Saddam = 9/11 mlablum mlablum question plablum plablum evidence = my word mlablum mlablum my word = god's word mlablum mlablum plablum plablum question mlablum mlablum plablum plablum mlablum question mlablum wellum mlablum wmd mlablum people own mlablum question usgod question plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum war to disarm plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum mlablum mlablum 9/11 = Saddam mlablum last resort plablum plablum Saddam = 9/11 mlablum mlablum question plablum plablum evidence = my word mlablum mlablum my word = god's word mlablum mlablum plablum plablum question mlablum mlablum plablum plablum mlablum question mlablum wellum mlablum wmd mlablum people own mlablum question usgod question plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum war to disarm plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum mlablum mlablum 9/11 = Saddam mlablum last resort plablum plablum Saddam = 9/11 mlablum mlablum question plablum plablum evidence = my word mlablum mlablum my word = god's word mlablum mlablum plablum plablum question mlablum mlablum plablum plablum mlablum question mlablum wellum mlablum wmd mlablum people own mlablum question usgod question plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum war to disarm plablum plablum last resort plablum plablum mlablum mlablum 9/11 = Saddam mlablum last resort plablum plablum Saddam = 9/11 mlablum mlablum question plablum plablum evidence = my word mlablum mlablum my word = god's word mlablum mlablum plablum plablum question mlablum mlablum . . . II tinuum con question umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages umptum umptum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum con twelve years tinuum umptum umptum ! con question umptum wellum my government my government my government tinuum con question war is last resort umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages wellum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum question umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages umptum umptum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum con twelve years tinuum umptum umptum ! con question umptum wellum my government my government my government tinuum con question war is last resort umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages wellum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum question umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages umptum umptum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum con twelve years tinuum umptum umptum ! con question umptum wellum my government my government my government tinuum con question war is last resort umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages wellum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum question umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages umptum umptum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum con twelve years tinuum umptum umptum ! con question umptum wellum my government my government my government tinuum con question war is last resort umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages wellum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum question umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages umptum umptum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum con twelve years tinuum umptum umptum ! con question umptum wellum my government my government my government tinuum con question war is last resort umptum wellum diplomacy in last stages wellum war is last resort con question umptum tinuum . . . - Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Cervantes: http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org RelativeLinks: http://www.poetserv.com/relativelinks/home.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:05:04 -0700 Reply-To: jvcervantes@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: "A Villanelle Returns From War" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Villanelle Returns From War You have to make sense now. Planes are in the air. You have to speak up before planes. You've bought all there will be to buy. Say something plain, make bye-bye. Tell everyone you need this and this. What? No flower in the kit? In the kitchen panes warm up, whistle. See why there is no steam: It's all fire and sand. It's pain less flour, salt, and petals. Yell, whistle, say some lower the living, raise the dead, craft the air. Oh, and bring people, take people. Ports are drawers of the sea, tables of land. Sit down, be sensible, say something before you take off again. - Jim 6th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 11 - 13 http://www.flagstaffcentral.com/bookfest/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Cervantes: http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org RelativeLinks: http://www.poetserv.com/relativelinks/home.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:35:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: White House insists satirist remove image lampooning Lynne Cheney from Web site In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030305210852.01a1acc8@mail.ilstu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit White House insists satirist remove image lampooning Lynne Cheney from Web site LARRY NEUMEISTER, Associated Press Writer Thursday, March 6, 2003 (03-06) 04:11 PST NEW YORK (AP) -- An Internet lampoon of Vice President Dick Cheney's wife is no laughing matter at the White House, which has asked a satirist to remove pictures of her -- complete with red clown noses -- from his Web site. But the New York Civil Liberties Union struck back Wednesday on behalf of John A. Wooden, 31, threatening a lawsuit to protect his First Amendment rights to parody the White House and Bush officials on his site, whitehouse.org. The official White House site is whitehouse.gov. Cheney counsel David S. Addington warned Wooden's Chickenhead Productions Inc. that Lynne V. Cheney's name and pictures -- altered to show her with a red clown's nose and a missing tooth -- could not be used to make money without her consent, and asked Wooden to delete the photos and "fictitious biographical statement about her." Instead, Wooden cautioned Web site visitors that the vice president "wishes you to be aware ... that some/all of the biographic information contained on this PARODY page about Mrs. Cheney may not actually be true." And, it added, the editors of the Web site were "confident that any rumors about Mrs. Cheney formerly being a crystal meth pusher are 100 percent likely to be absolutely untrue. Similarly, any stories about her penchant for licking brandy Alexanders off the hirsute belly of her spouse are all lies, lies, lies!" NYCLU lawyer Chris Dunn wrote the office of the vice president that the material was "fully protected by the First Amendment." "With everything happening in the world, you'd think the office of the vice president would have something more important to do than sending letters to political satirists," Wooden said. A spokeswoman for Cheney's office, Jennifer Millerwise, confirmed the letter from Addington was authentic but said she otherwise had no comment. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 21:44:38 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Peace Event For John Lennon Comments: To: dreamtime@yahoogroups.com, WRYTING-L Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, webartery@yahoogroups.com, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable March 2003 Peace Event For John Lennon yoko ono This is a call for all countries and their people who wish for World Peace. You, the carrier of good tidings, be proud, swift and wise. By being in peace, you are already part of the peaceful world. A: VIP (Visit In Peace) Event Visit: Visit the Middle East. Visit Asia. Visit Africa. Visit countries in the Southern Hemisphere. Visit countries in the Northern Hemisphere. Take: Take photos of your friends who wish to make the trip but cannot. Take music and/or an instrument from your country. Take one thing you wear often and give it to somebody you meet there. What you give could be As small as a handkerchief. As useful as a T shirt. As pretty as a necklace. Watch: a) Watch the sunrise and compare it with the ones at home. b) Watch the sunset and compare it with the ones at home. c) Watch the moonlight and compare it with the ones at home. Stay: a) Stay until you find a friend to talk to. b) Stay until you start to appreciate the country. c) Stay until you start to feel love for their children. Wish: Make a wish and hold it in your heart. Deliver a wish and see it unfold. Send a wish and ask it to be shared. Bring: Bring back something you bought there. Bring back memories. Bring back a smile. B) HIP (Home In Peace) Event For those who cannot make the trip: Visit: In your mind In your heart In your dream Pen pal: Make pen pals in countries you've never been to. Ask your friends to do the same. Make pen pals in troubled countries. Ask your friends to do the same. Make pen pals with people of different religion and beliefs from you. Ask your friends to do the same. Map: Pin a world map on your wall. Start putting flags on the countries you have pen pals in. Take a photo of your map every month to record the increase of the numbers of flags. Imagine: Imagine all the people holding hands. Imagine all the people hugging each other. Imagine all the people living life in peace. Listen: Listen to the heartbeat: a) your own b) your mate's c) your child's Listen to people. Listen to animals. Listen to the planet. Listen to the Universe. Listen to the Earth turning. C) DIP (Dance In Peace) Event When you are feeling bad Do one thing a day To make your heart dance. It could be a simple thing like looking up at the sky. If you can't manage even that Do something for somebody To make his/her heart dance. It could be a simple thing like giving a call. Do this for awhile and Your life will change in a big way. One day we'll all dance together. Alright? y.o. Note: send the Peace Event to your friends. To be part of the Peace Event record, send your experience to: IK (Instant Karma) http://www.instantkarma.com/ Additionally, by the good grace of Richard Joly, the Peace Event is now available in English Fran=C1ais Deutsch Portuguese Espa=D2ol [more languages forthcoming] via http://www.jeclique.com/onoweb/peaceevent-international.html= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:38:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: 'Craie-oleaginous?' [in memoriam FRED ROGERS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 'Craie-oleaginous? 'Ever wonder where Crayola crayons got that name? Edwin Binney's wife, Alice, a school teacher, came up with it. She combined the word craie, French for chalk, with the first part of oleaginous, for the oily paraffin wax used, to make the name Crayola! . . . '1958: "Prussian blue" is renamed "midnight blue" in response to teachers' observations that students are no longer familiar with Prussian history. . . . '1962: The Crayola Crayon color, "flesh," changes to "peach," recognizing that not everyone's skin is the same shade. . . . 'Renowned American artist Grant Wood entered a Crayola coloring contest in the early 1900s and won. Wood later commented that winning the contest gave him the encouragement he needed to pursue a career in art. . . . '1996: Ninety-three years after the making of the first Crayola crayon, a colorful and historical milestone is reached --- the 100 billionth Crayola crayon rolls off the production line at Binney & Smith world headquarters in Forks Township, Pennsylvania. The honor of making the 100 billionth Crayola crayon is given to Fred Rogers, host of Mister Rogers' Neighborhood.' http://www.crayola.com/factory/preview/factory_floor/bs_history/bs_timeline.htm __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:49:51 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: working-class-list@listserv.liunet.edu, Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press New Report Shows Few Left To Resist U.S.'s Imperio-Fascist Takeover of the World: World Dominance Cabal Can Easily Overrun The Planet, Think Tank Predicts: Adiodi Follows Up Ted Koppel Interview With PNAC Boss, William Kristol By YASO ADIODI The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:55:26 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ravi Shankar Subject: Re: collaborative group exercises Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 I've always found Bernadette Mayer and Charles Bernstein's compendium of experiments quite enlivening: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/experiments.html Ravi Shankar ed, http://www.drunkenboat.com Hi, > > I am part of a group who is interested in creating collaborative language > works/experiments. > > I am sure we will make up our own experiments as we go along, but I wanted > to ask if anyone here on the list had any suggestions of procedures for this > sort of endeavor. > > Thanks, > > Maryrose Larkin -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:21:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: 'Craie-oleaginous?' [in memoriam FRED ROGERS] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for posting this info Jeffrey. To mark Mr. Rogers passing I went out and bought the 64 pack of Crayola's and have been writing with them. I guess you did too. Thanks :-) Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Jullich" To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: 'Craie-oleaginous?' [in memoriam FRED ROGERS] > 'Craie-oleaginous? > > 'Ever wonder where Crayola crayons got that name? > Edwin Binney's wife, Alice, a school teacher, came up > with it. She combined the word craie, French for > chalk, with the first part of oleaginous, for the oily > paraffin wax used, to make the name Crayola! . . . > > '1958: "Prussian blue" is renamed "midnight blue" in > response to teachers' observations that students are > no longer familiar with Prussian history. . . . > > '1962: The Crayola Crayon color, "flesh," changes to > "peach," recognizing that not everyone's skin is the > same shade. . . . > > 'Renowned American artist Grant Wood entered a Crayola > coloring contest in the early 1900s and won. Wood > later commented that winning the contest gave him the > encouragement he needed to pursue a career in art. . . > . > > '1996: Ninety-three years after the making of the > first Crayola crayon, a colorful and historical > milestone is reached --- the 100 billionth Crayola > crayon rolls off the production line at Binney & Smith > world headquarters in Forks Township, Pennsylvania. > The honor of making the 100 billionth Crayola crayon > is given to Fred Rogers, host of Mister Rogers' > Neighborhood.' > > http://www.crayola.com/factory/preview/factory_floor/bs_history/bs_timeline. htm > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:55:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Auctions In-Reply-To: <009d01c2e471$cfa29010$605e3318@LINKAGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi all, I've got a couple of recordings by poets & writers on ebay right now that some of y'all may be interested in. LPs by Charles Olson, Tom Phillips, and Gertrude Stein; a couple of rare-ish Laurie Anderson 45s, and a CD set of John Cage reading. All that amid recordings of new music by Cage, Alvin Lucier, Derek Bailey and lots of others. Next week I'll be putting up some S-Press and Membrane cassettes of more writers; no telling where it will end. To check it out, go to: If that doesn't work, search for ebay seller Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:31:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: current working MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Distance.dancerun.2 Concept/Choreography: Foofwa d'Imobilite Dancerunners: Franziska Koller, Anja Schmidt, Foofwa d'Imobilite >> I have been constructing sound and text for this work; I have also constructed two videotapes, danl - about the construct of order from space-time, and anja - about Lacanian ecstatic states, and Jean d'Arc. Further, I have constructed a series of 95 still images. In addition, I have constructed a number of pieces using the 1878 Beatty pump organ, and the 1987 Mirage Ensoniq. I have also performed on the organ for a video constructed by Foofwa for part of the initial section of the piece. In addition, I have constructed a short series of videos of Anja and Foofwa for a new piece to be constructed with the Blender 3d program. The text I have constructed is initially in French; I constructed a further English translation, replete with errors paralleling the fecundity of the French. Foofwa has constructed a videotape of my reading of the French text, as well as the second variant of the French text, which I constructed from a computer program I constructed from a program constructed by Florian Cramer. In the organ performance for Foofwa, the camera was focused on the pumping feet, placing the constructed piece under the aegis of labor. If music is a construct, I am that construct. If one can speak of a piece of music, one speaks only of an instantiation of the institutionalization of a segment of sound lost in the world. If one constructs a piece based and biased on the losing of the world, one begins the construct of a poetic based on mourning and labor. If labor is the beginning of the loss of the world, mourning is the end. If the word gains in the reification of labor, ululation is its loss and the mourning of that loss. If we can no longer speak of 'french' as an active, but must employ 'freedom,' then France is called Freedom. If my work is silent with the fullness of the mouths and interiority of dance, it speaks with the emptiness of speech and the exteriority of dance. If it is silent, if it speaks at all. 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 04:18:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Duration Press Subject: Re: Eclipse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a great site... one concern, tho... the pdf's are huge...first issue of L=A=...is 19MB... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: Eclipse > Announcing ECLIPSE: an archive of enthused writing. > > The collection focuses on digital facsimiles of out-of-print small-press > > books and journals from the past quarter-century, including: > > The complete run of the journal L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E > > The legendary collaboration LEGEND > > The early books of Clark Coolidge > > And hard to find books by Bruce Andrews, P. Inman, David Melnick, and > Lorenzo Thomas > > > Eclipse is also pleased to announce the publication of two new books: > > Bruce Andrews: The Millennium Project. The thousand page companion to > Lip Service (Coach House, 2001), comprised of material generated in the > late 1980s and early 90s. > > David Melnick: Men In Aida (Book II). The long rumored sequel to his > brilliant homophonic translation of The Iliad. > > Eclipse is available at www.princeton.edu/eclipse > > > Enjoy, > ::Craig Dworkin, Editor > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:43:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Praise the Lord...&...Pass the Ammunition... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A. B. Ashbery Baraka Camden Memories of dubya dubya w.w. C. $$$$ hm hm ? ? kool from the same folk anti pay day po' days in... drn drn.... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 20:02:26 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: childhood in richmond Comments: cc: webartery@yahoogroups.com, "owner-list-rhizome.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A7B348C; boundary="=======376B637F=======" --=======376B637F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A7B348C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The owner has recently made an addition titled: "childhood in richmond" You can read this blog entry at: http://spokenword.blog-city.com/readblog.cfm?bid=32029 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======376B637F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A7B348C Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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(signed) Poindexter/Ashcroft/Panopticon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:25:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Some notes on Kool School MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { 1) I always stand up at the podium. I'm too short when I sit. Hey, thanks for the tip. I just found that I'm taller when I stand up too! Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action." --Joseph Heller Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:11:03 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: NO cranberries!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NO is one bundle that strops local reaction. bunny boy at fever pitch, for school rules are out. the sky dips down towards a notion of what Hegel called a closet. and here is Hegel's tweed suit. here too is Hegel's bluff, forthright shoes. his pantaloons say NO to the standard answer of guff versus guff. or perhaps that's just a cuff, finely measured and crisp, so to stand at the lectern and mumble. the lectern itself is yesterday. all the bunnies sigh. there was a time in the future in which we should or used to go on in our vision. and that is so lost, so way smoke or tortured off the screen. that is why with radiance one can claim a next time, it's a walk in dark forest time. next time, then, won't be author pictures and stuck on the same charm. NO. next time, notes will be used as oppositional force to the clarity of war. next time, when the reversals are sewn up, the troupe will swing thru town and there will be news. it's the newest of news, says the expert, sparkling with wit to have seen the truth. that will be enough, says the further step. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 05:35:43 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: =?utf-8?Q?POPO:_=E2=84=A2Rd=C3=84hO=C3=8B_=28PO=29elo=5Fy_bobobeno?= =?utf-8?Q?nettuk=28ing=29?= Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit POPO: â„¢RdÄhOË (PO)elo_y bobobenonettuk(ing) longslap in furfi tumur crutchÁ}Š‰œñ jÞ®WÔлBï±ÕÆqͽ €ûÉ J¼£@¦ pu|r|p|i|l|e wave grades ZoÈ ohrt radium kool Óxy2nþ[Å’»Ã ÝU ~›¥©Ò kßrHé+M€¡+½R ¢`þ€2O>/Ö ™à kD|DŸËË ¾ÿ‰‚ùÕÈ [ ÑÇjð ®Ôé1¯ G ‹ 9î ôKi·å½È ¾¾éœHrp À{[{ž6{µo?ê¶$Ägurgling wool-nose/ desesnitize.>U° glimnecka‘(–‡ªœmÐz¡Hö¼t»`r ‡´ È arriving þ•.mátaÇY¤ÔS'v  Ø8´Z a¨¨ hӆGìËƒ= H¬»”%Ûp °¡AO=›î¥zˆé tÀä}&,Á˜æ ©ûrpurli¶ funkenbladder¢¥©)‡+?RU ‡èwÜø&õq …ë*¡ â„¢ £ añ—Ÿô =ñ• Äõ±þ•¹•ú piponci duponci Æidrippingholypineconesause%ºDtF`Û-R?]Uà ZÖ0dóý‘ðv‘4Àf„ ZVÅ Å Å’ “±åponci du charlay à {ºß“ Swó â Xenooi¼[ýç 5®’E0¿+ ÷k­8aç‘/Åãj†å/–¥RÐ÷‰Ó 7$ ìÛØ*æÖé;¯®Ü¸ ‚$” ›@X¬" 3×7 Ëfg bffà  du charlay no9 ___________________________________________________________________ Än feel mitt death, witherhickion sletz are har bigger feel et joyeuse mig rosier dine as night. 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That will roses sÃ¥ rosier chagrin Dis, white sorgen butterhuffermittens. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:41:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: Steve Dickison From: Poetics List Administration Subject: ** Anselm HOLLO & Joanne KYGER, Sat March 8, 7:30 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetry Center presents Poetry Center Book Award reading Anselm Hollo & Joanne Kyger Saturday March 8, 7:30 pm, $5 donation @ The Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin (& Geary), San Francisco * ANSELM HOLLO's Notes on the Possibilities and Attractions of Existence, a large volume of selected poems 1965-2000 (Coffee House Press 2001), was selected by Joanne Kyger for the 2001 Poetry Center Book Award. She writes: "Author and translator of over 40 books, Mr. Hollo has settled through the years into the 'New American Poetry' and made it a place to 'be' in. His writing lightly avoids the glacial aspirations of profundity yet carries the traditions of wisdom and awareness. . . . This book stays open." He lives in Boulder, Colorado. * JOANNE KYGER's substantial collection As Ever: Selected Poems, edited by Michael Rothenberg, is new from Penguin Books, and traces her work as poet over more than four decades. In that poetry, as David Meltzer writes in his Introduction, "Nothing's hidden or concealed from attention. If there's a secret, it's anywhere, everywhere." She lives in Bolinas, California. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Coming up from The Poetry Center: Thurs March 13 John Godfrey at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St , 7:30 pm, $5 Thurs March 27 Keith Waldrop & Rosmarie Waldrop at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St , 7:30 pm, $5 Thurs April 3 Maureen Owen & Eileen Tabios at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Thurs April 10 "Across the Line/Al otro lado: the Poetry of Baja Californi= a" w/ Mexican poets Francisco Morales, Elizabeth Algr=E1vez, and Heriberto Y=E9pez & editors Mark Weiss & Harry Polkinhorn (note: bilingual reading in Espa=F1ol/English) at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Wed April 16 Ryoko Sekiguchi with translator Stacy Doris co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France (note: translations of Ms. Sekiguchi's poems will be read by Stacy Doris) at The Poetry Center, 7:30 pm free Thurs April 17 William Corbett & Fred Moten at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St, 7:30 pm, $5 Sat April 19 Abdellatif La=E2bi co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France Alliance Fran=E7aise San Francisco, & City Lights Books (note: Mr. La=E2bi will read his work in French, without translations) at Alliance Fran=E7aise, 1345 Bush, 6:00 pm, free Sat May 3 Bei Dao & Michael Palmer co-sponsored by MFA Writing Program USF at The Pacific Room, USF, 7:30 pm, free Thurs May 8 Todd Baron & Dawn Michelle Baude at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Sat May 10 "DERIVATIONS: Celebrating Poetics at New College 1978-2003" co-sponsored by New College Poetics Program at New College Cultural Center, New College of California, 2:00 pm, $5 =46urther information at http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry telephone 415-338-2227 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Dickison, Director The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue ~ San Francisco CA 94132 ~ vox 415-338-3401 ~ fax 415-338-0966 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry ~ ~ ~ L=E2 taltazim h=E2latan, wal=E2kin durn b=EE-llay=E2ly kam=E2 tad=FBwru Don't cling to one state turn with the Nights, as they turn ~Maq=E2mat al-Hamadh=E2ni (tenth century; tr Stefania Pandolfo) ~ ~ ~ Bring all the art and science of the world, and baffle and humble it with one spear of grass. ~Walt Whitman's notebook -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Dickison, Director The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue ~ San Francisco CA 94132 ~ vox 415-338-3401 ~ fax 415-338-0966 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry ~ ~ ~ L=E2 taltazim h=E2latan, wal=E2kin durn b=EE-llay=E2ly kam=E2 tad=FBwru Don't cling to one state turn with the Nights, as they turn ~Maq=E2mat al-Hamadh=E2ni (tenth century; tr Stefania Pandolfo) ~ ~ ~ Bring all the art and science of the world, and baffle and humble it with one spear of grass. ~Walt Whitman's notebook ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:40:03 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Powell Begins Diplomatic Putsch Comments: To: working-class-list@listserv.liunet.edu, Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Powell Begins Diplomatic Putsch By VARI FREID The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:42:49 -0500 Reply-To: Bowery_Poetry_Club-feedback-27@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Gotta Burn to Shine: a Week at Bowery Poetry Club and John Giorno! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across fr= om CBGB's F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 Dear Friends, John Giorno has been too absent too long -- the author of Cancer in My L= eft Ball and Drinking the Blood of Every Woman's Period and You Got to Bu= rn to Shine, prime mover of Giorno Poetry Systems -- get your tickets for= John (and many other of our shows) at virtuous.com --=20 Friday, 3/7 Prof. Taylor Mead, on amphetamines and in Europe, is his = own fairy tale every Friday at 7 ($5)....Giorno begins run at 8 ($10)...a= t 10 we're proud to bring you the amazing Ken Butler who plays the chair= , toothbrush, and other Duhampsian readymades ...late night is one of our= faves, Benjamin Ickies' and Nick Jones' Failure, complete with a real-li= fe Rube Goldberg machine, tabletop puppets, polkas, punk, and more Saturday 3/8 Leslie Scalapino comes to town to celebrate the new zine = Enough!, where politics and poetry climb in bed together: Charles Bernste= in, Anselm Berrigan, Jackson Mac Low .and many others....at 4 Segue prese= nts Marcella Durand & Prageeta Sharma (4$)...at 8 it's Giorno Pt 2 (10$).= ..at 10 we begin our late-nite party for the Urban Theater Festival with = a special performance by reg E gaines ($10) and then at midnight Akim Fun= k Buddha steps up with chill, DJ Jitters, martial arts poetry and Tuva t= hroat antics (bring this email and get in for $7)... =C2=A0 Sunday 3/9 a new open mic at noon, free, Radman's Raucous Poetry Rode= o...at 2, the monthly 4 Way Books series brings on Elliot Figman, Saskia= Hamilton, Peter Turchi, Marie Howe (wow!) 8$...Urban Word Youth Slam ro= cks house 4-7pm...followed at 8 by closing night for John Giorno -- we're= hoping that you'll show up to hang with John tonight, it's a party! =20 Mon, 3/10 Teenage poets all over 4-7 as Urban Word brings their slam t= o the house at 4...followed by an extraordinary benefit for 028, a new pe= ace coalition in Northern Ireland that will be bringing an evening of Iri= sh fold, Elvis impersonators, and poetry ($10 suggested)...and then again= it's the Wildest Night of the Week, Bob's Free4All w/ daBips & Bingo Gaz= ingo & Rick Shapiro & masks starting at 10.... Tues 3/11 Hunky Dory is Aileen Chow, Thadeus Rutkowski, Jeffrey McDan= iel, the bleak blank bloke Tim Wells from England, with Cheryl B as host = ($5) 7pm...then it's Rick "Lenny Bruce of Poetry" Shapiro's one man sensa= tion, "Repeat Offender," at 9, and Beau Sia's chill session, "Whatever" a= t 10:30 till the poets go home (5$) Wed 3/12 At 7:30 the monthly Persian poetry event, ShabeSher will welco= me spring and Nowruz (mostly in Farsi, but it doesn't matter) (5$), follo= wed by a great new band, Cecilia (4$)at 10... Thur 3/13 are you ready for the Limerick Slam? Urbana kicks spring in = tuchus at 7:30, and in the spot: Matt Cook, one of the greatest of all yo= ung US poets, originator of the Milwaukee School of Poetry...the editors = and poets of the seminal Ordinary Women anthology of 1978 will be celebra= ting here after their reading at the 14th St Y...Dragon Cat and her troup= e will premiere Rhythmutation, a tap-rap spectac at 10:30 (7$)...and Rick= Shapiro will schtick till he bellies at 11:30 ($12 -- he's gone at least= three hours straight since he began his Hero Sets)... Next week: Edward Sanders: Historian Poet Fug Fri-Sat at 8! (tix: virt= uous.com ) Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11...lunch:= homemade soup & salads & sandwiches...bar opens at 5...Poetry Forever!! T he Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3DFAEC86E7231652D9&m=3D27 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:43:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: Al Filreis From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Bill Morgan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear friends: I'm trying to get in touch with Bill Morgan, Allen Ginsberg's bibliographer. If you know his surface or email address, will you please send it to me at afilreis@english.upenn.edu. Thanks so much. Al Filreis University of Pennsylvania ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:09:31 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS" In-Reply-To: <200303051620.h25GKgk25865@draco.services.brown.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No Music Festival. http://www3.sympatico.ca/pratten/NSB/ just saying no, kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld:The Axis Of Weasel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:19:30 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--circular MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII circular (SUHR-kyuh-luhr) adjective 1. In the shape of or related to a circle. 2. Roundabout, indirect. 3. Involving fallacious reasoning that tries to prove something previously assumed true. noun A widely distributed letter, notice, advertisement, etc. [From Middle English circuler, from Middle French, from Latin circularis, from circulus (small circle), diminutive of circus (circle or ring), from Greek kirkos (circle).] So the term "three-ring circus" has, in fact, four "rings" in it, etymologically speaking. Other words derived from the same source are circuit, circulate, and search (in the sense of "to go around").] -Anu "In writing or logic classes many of us learned -- and put aside - that `to beg the question' is a logical fallacy that refers to circular reasoning. It is an argument that assumes as a truth the point the speaker is arguing for. To borrow an example ... `This painting is trash because it is obviously worthless.'" Dan Hortsch; Turn of a Phrase is Bereft of Praise in Its Final Phase; The Oregonian (Portland); Oct 6, 2002. "He claimed clarification was received in a circular signed by the Permanent Secretary S.A. Suleiman ..." Winniefred Bassey; For Luth Workers, It's Battle Royale; This Day (Lagos, Nigeria), Aug 30, 2002. This week's theme: words from mathematics that have other meanings as well. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:12:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Eugene Lang College Faculty Reads-- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eugene Lang College Faculty Reads-- Tues., Mar. 18, 2003, 6:00 pm Lynda Schor Henry Shapiro Thurs., Apr. 17, 2003, 6:00 pm Jan Clausen Gerry Albarelli Thurs., May 8, 2003, 6:00 pm Robin Mookerjee TBA All readings @ the Lang Student Center, Sidonia Milano Atrium 64 W. 11th St., NYC ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:40:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: travis ortiz Subject: Re: Eclipse In-Reply-To: <002c01c2e48a$805f6370$492bfea9@vaio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > one concern, tho... > > the pdf's are huge...first issue of L=A=...is 19MB... > perhaps you could pass on your knowledge of acrobat distiller. a couple suggestions for PDF'ing text with a fair amount of compression without losing print (and especially screen) quality would be valuable. i know i'd benefit from such things. |+| ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:37:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: US Plans Readings in an Occupied Iraq (?) Comments: cc: sandrasphillips@hotmail.com, pearlipog@hotmail.com, gleditor@aol.com, Rikamler@aol.com, Blkwoodtom@aol.com, stefanie , D G & C V Kennedy , barichbill@hotmail.com, Susan Schwartzenberg , Amy Trachtenberg , lisbeth haas , poltroon , Leigh Hyams , Diane DiPrima , Jerry Martien , Carla Harryman , Rod Kirk , Mylesaudio@aol.com, Donald Neuwirth , Cliff Stanley , Barrett Watten , joyacory@sbcglobal.net, Leah Garchik , Eliot Weinberger , Hal Hughes , ADCOLMAN@aol.com, Leslie Scalapino , John Norton , "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" , Todd Swift , Judith Coburn , GloriaFrym@cs.com, George Evans , Carl Mautz , Andrew Moss , dan@danhubig.com, pleighton@att.net Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit (Gothic News Service, 3/07/03) The White House sought to dispel rumors today that the National Endowment for the Arts was in the planning stages for a series of poetry readings by American poets in Occupied Iraq. For weeks it's been rumored that the Endowment was in consultation with Laura Bush's office on ways in which both contemporary and classic American authors could be best introduced into a post-Saddam Iraq. The First Lady is apparently convinced that the transmission of American cultural values - especially as represented in the voices of American poets - is essential to building a country in which its citizens will be entitled to practice free expression. To best foster the most attention from the Iraqi public, it was said that the Endowment was trying to determine which one of Baghdad's symphony halls or museums would be an ideal performance location for the invited poets. Earlier on, a Pentagon consultant was reported to have suggested that the Food Distribution Centers would be more ideal since they - in terms of collateral damage - would be the least likely to be damaged or destroyed during the bombing of Iraq. "First," in refuting these claims, the unnamed spokesman for the White House was quoted as saying, "Though we expect it to be soon forthcoming, there has been no final decision to either invade or occupy Iraq. Further, any such program would undoubtedly include other art forms, choirs and such. But, at this time, we want to remind you, any such planning is totally premature." When asked whether or not poets to be invited will include those who have written poems against the war, the spokesman said, "When the time is right, you will have to refer that question to the head of the Endowment. It's a free country but we believe he has strongly held views on the questionable value of combining politics and poetry." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:46:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Duration Press Subject: Re: Eclipse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well...the first problem is that every page is an image (i'm assuming a high-res image)...i'm sure if the image resolution was brought down a bit it would cut down the file size...how much, i'm not sure... ----- Original Message ----- From: "travis ortiz" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: Eclipse > > -----Original Message----- > > one concern, tho... > > > > the pdf's are huge...first issue of L=A=...is 19MB... > > > > perhaps you could pass on your knowledge of acrobat distiller. a couple > suggestions for PDF'ing text with a fair amount of compression without > losing print (and especially screen) quality would be valuable. i know > i'd benefit from such things. > > |+| > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:55:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: Eclipse In-Reply-To: <020e01c2e4d1$84174310$492bfea9@vaio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Using jpg compression in the medium or low range would produce a drastically smaller file, good for reading electronically, not so usable to print from. On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 11:46 AM, Duration Press wrote: > well...the first problem is that every page is an image (i'm assuming a > high-res image)...i'm sure if the image resolution was brought down a > bit it > would cut down the file size...how much, i'm not sure... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "travis ortiz" > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:40 AM > Subject: Re: Eclipse > > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> one concern, tho... >>> >>> the pdf's are huge...first issue of L=A=...is 19MB... >>> >> >> perhaps you could pass on your knowledge of acrobat distiller. a >> couple >> suggestions for PDF'ing text with a fair amount of compression without >> losing print (and especially screen) quality would be valuable. i know >> i'd benefit from such things. >> >> |+| >> >> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:53:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: The Passion of Dana Gioia MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT 5. Dana Gioia in Beulahland No grants? No prizes? No awards? No wonder the poets look so bored. Can art thrive outside New York City? What we need here’s a good committee. O blinding light! What’s this I see? Larkin! Winters! Weldon Kees! A tweedy company of greats— At last! A truly Golden State! And yet they wear such formal frowns. This Beulahland is awfully brown. These crowns, they’re laurel? Hard to tell— They look a lot like chaparral. ‘Mute spirits, speak! Where’s this I’ve come? Eternity can’t be so glum.’ But the blessed squad ignores my call And turns in a reek of alcohol. I thought to clasp my betters’ hands In greeny fields Elysian, To talk in trochees with the Masters While stepping over poetasters. I labored hard, what dues I paid! Tradition ordered, I obeyed. No politics stained this career. Each book so slim! Each word so dear! But now as my discerning eye Adjusts to the glare of paradise I find I’ve reached a darker glory Among the dim bulbs of Purgatory. ---Rodney Koeneke ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:50:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: today on the weblog of your life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Torra, Lansing, MIT Darth Vader cum Darth Moll Footstomping v. Poetry Crushes http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 10:52:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No Music >Festival. > >http://www3.sympatico.ca/pratten/NSB/ > >just saying no, >kevin > Of course. I have been listening to them since 1966. I have sat in. And I have all their discs, including the Japanese ones. -- George Bowering Gets lost in Kamloops Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:11:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS" In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 11:52 AM, George Bowering wrote: >> you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No >> Music >> Festival. >> >> http://www3.sympatico.ca/pratten/NSB/ >> >> just saying no, >> kevin >> > > Of course. I have been listening to them since 1966. I have sat in. > And I have all their discs, including the Japanese ones. Damn, lucky man. > -- > George Bowering > Gets lost in Kamloops > Fax 604-266-9000 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:37:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: today on the weblog of your life In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit postcard poem for jim behrle are you inordinately proud of your parking spaces? your clean underwear speaks to me from the last summer's laundry basket, crunched into the bottom between tattered fortunes and BART passes with only enough fare left to make it three quarters of the way home. I, a poet you don't know, am trapped in the tunnel with nothing but your name to whisper at whooshing doors, "open- sesame" style, till somebody lets me out. If you are a poet too, please take this note and tape it to the first parking meter you can find. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Jim Behrle Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:50 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: today on the weblog of your life Torra, Lansing, MIT Darth Vader cum Darth Moll Footstomping v. Poetry Crushes http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:39:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS" In-Reply-To: <8F14E23C-50D0-11D7-9FE3-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Friday, March 7, 2003, at 11:52 AM, George Bowering wrote: > >>>you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No >>>Music >>>Festival. >>> >>>http://www3.sympatico.ca/pratten/NSB/ >>> >>>just saying no, >>>kevin >>> >> >>Of course. I have been listening to them since 1966. I have sat in. >>And I have all their discs, including the Japanese ones. > >Damn, lucky man. > Few years back when they were having a day for me at Port Colborne, they asked me what music i would like, and I said the NSB, and they came and performed! -- George Bowering Gets lost in Kamloops Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:55:10 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Stephen, Barry Alpert has recently been posting on the poetryetc listserv. He's around and about and lively and very much still brimming with curiosity. love and love cris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:01:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: to all my friends In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I dpsht O blwjb U bttfck ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:32:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: VORT In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks, Chris. I am sure I sounded a bit harsh about Vort. I remember about 1976 trying to read the interview with Robert Kelly before an examination for a hernia. My mind was not distracted from "matters at hand". But then again I have never been a great Kelly reader. I used to be on poetryetc. Is it good these days. And how would I go there. Sometimes it's a bit of a partch on the Buf list. Stephen V on 3/7/03 11:55 AM, cris cheek at cris@SLANG.DEMON.CO.UK wrote: > Hi Stephen, > > Barry Alpert has recently been posting on the poetryetc listserv. He's > around and about and lively and very much still brimming with curiosity. > > love and love > cris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:04:22 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: [dtv@mwt.net: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS"] >> you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No >> Music >> Festival. & as poet David W. McFadden says, once youve heard their version of "What a Friend we Have in Jesus," you cant ever go to church again w/ a straight face. rob -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord., Small Press Action Network - Ottawa (SPAN-O) ...snail c/o rr#1 maxville ontario canada k0c 1t0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * 7th coll'n - paper hotel (Broken Jaw Press) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:06:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: As if Christo were doing this ... Fw: [deeplistening] wrapped Viet Nam Memorial Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Christo Project seeks volunteers... > > FW: CHRISTO ANNOUNCES NEW PROJECT > >(Reuters) > > World famous artists Christo and Jeanne-Claude have today announced > a new project that is slated to be begin immediately. Responding to > U.S. Homeland Defense Secretary Ridge's call for artists to rally the > cause through anti-terrorist art, Christo has received permission to > wrap the White House in Washington D.C., using duct tape and plastic >sheeting. > Much like the artist's 1995 project "Wrapped Reichstag" in Berlin, > "Wrapped White House" will, according to the artists' plan, seal the > building and those > inside. Of the project the artists said, "We are very excited to >use our >art-making >methods in the international fight against terrorists. By wrapping the >White House we hope to help keep terrorism under wraps, so to speak." > Unlike "Wrapped Reichstag" which was a temporary project, "Wrapped >White > House" will be the artists' first permanent work of public art. > > 100,000 square meters (1,076,000 square feet) of clear high-strength >polypropylene plastic, and 15,600 meters (51,181 feet) of silver duct >tape, 13.2 cm (4 inch) wide, will be used for the wrapping of the White > House. The work will be completed in as little as one week. The >artists >have >contacted other artists across the U.S. who are now en route to > Washington, D.C., in order to finish this work in record time. >Materials >have been >provided without charge by the German Government. Recalling the >"Wrapped >Reichstag, "German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder stated, "Wrapping the >symbol >of German Democracy was a defining moment for the new Germany. >Wrapping the >White House will likewise be a defining moment as democracy is >restored in >America." > >"You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can >embarrass > the guilty." Jessica Mitford (1917-1996) > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:29:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Durand/Sharma @ Segue/Bowery Poetry Club, Mar. 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARCELLA DURAND and PRAGEETA SHARMA SATURDAY, MARCH 1, 4:00 p.m. Bowery Poetry Club/Segue Foundation Reading Series, NYC 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON ****$4 admission goes to support the readers**** For more info: http://www.segue.org/calendar MARCELLA DURAND's publications include Western Capital Rhapsodies (Faux Press), City of Ports (Situations) and a brand-new echapbook, The Body, Light, and Solar Poems, to be found at www.durationpress.com. She is currently co-editing an anthology of contemporary French poetry, forthcoming from Talisman House. PRAGEETA SHARMA is author of Bliss to Fill (subpress). She is currently working on a novel entitled Subcontinent. She also writes a poetry column for the National Organization for Women. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Foundation. For more information, please visit www.segue.org/calendar. Curators: Feb.-March by Charles Borkhuis & Dan Machlin, April-May by Rachel Levitsky & Renee Gladman. These events are made possible in part with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:34:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Correction: Durand/Sharma March 8th @ Segue/Bowery Poetry Club Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry list, correction, the reading will be on Saturday March 8th at 4 p.m. Thanks! **************************************************************** MARCELLA DURAND and PRAGEETA SHARMA SATURDAY, MARCH 8, 4:00 p.m. Bowery Poetry Club/Segue Foundation Reading Series, NYC 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON ****$4 admission goes to support the readers**** For more info: http://www.segue.org/calendar MARCELLA DURAND's publications include Western Capital Rhapsodies (Faux Press), City of Ports (Situations) and a brand-new echapbook, The Body, Light, and Solar Poems, to be found at www.durationpress.com. She is currently co-editing an anthology of contemporary French poetry, forthcoming from Talisman House. PRAGEETA SHARMA is author of Bliss to Fill (subpress). She is currently working on a novel entitled Subcontinent. She also writes a poetry column for the National Organization for Women. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Foundation. For more information, please visit www.segue.org/calendar. Curators: Feb.-March by Charles Borkhuis & Dan Machlin, April-May by Rachel Levitsky & Renee Gladman. These events are made possible in part with public funds from The New York State Council on the Arts, a state agency. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:04:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) March 7, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000284.html#000284 3/22: NYC MARCH AGAINST WAR ON IRAQ CIRCULATE WILDLY!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------------- United for Peace and Justice NYC http://www.unitedforpeace.org/nyc 646-473-8935 ---------------------------------------------------- On Saturday, March 22, New York is marching to stop the war in Iraq. United for Peace and Justice NYC has applied for a permit, and the Mayor and the NYPD have pledged to respect our right to march. We are negotiating with the City over the route, which will be in Midtown Manhattan. WHAT: NYC March for Peace and Democracy WHEN: Noon, Saturday, 3/22 WHERE: Midtown Manhattan **stickers, posters, & leaflets are now available at the UFPJ office - details below** We only have two weeks to get the word out. Here's how to plug in: 1) MATERIALS NOW AVAILABLE Spread the word about the 3/22 Anti-War March at anti-war events, in front of subway stations, outside movie theaters, anywhere people congregate! A bilingual (English/Spanish) leaflet is available for downloading at: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/nyc Leaflets, stickers, and posters are now available at the UFPJ office, 330 W. 42nd Street, 8th fl., 646-473-8935; weekdays 9-7, weekends 12-5. [note: we will be housed in new offices on the 15th floor beginning Monday -- we enormously grateful to SEIU 1199 for continuing to provide us with space] Leafleting materials are also available at these distribution centers: MANHATTAN Cooper Square: 61 E. 4th St.; weekdays 9-5; 212-228-8210 Green Party office: 35 E. 1st St. (betw 1st & 2nd Ave). weekdays 5:30-9:30pm; weekends 11-7; 212-673-1323. BROOKLYN House of the Lord Church: 415 Atlantic Ave (materials should arrive by Friday afternoon); Mon-Fri 10-7, Sat 10-4 (call first on Saturdays); 718-596-1991. More distribution centers will be added soon. If you are interested in leafleting or setting up a distribution center in your neighborhood, contact the street leafleting coordinator, Erich Strom, at erichstrom@mindspring.com or 646-473-8935. 2) VOLUNTEER PIZZA PARTY & MEETING Come to the Volunteer Pizza Party and Planning Meeting on Friday (March 7th), 6:30pm at the UFPJ office: 330 W 42nd St., betw 8-9th Aves., 8th floor, 646-473-8935. Bring your friends! If you can't make it to the meeting, drop by the office to pick up materials and join in with our massive leafleting campaigns. 3) OTHER WAYS TO GET INVOLVED * Organizing listserve (low-volume, announcements only): ufpjnyc-subscribe@yahoogroups.com * Volunteers listserve (average one email per day, containing specific requests for volunteer assistance) nycvolunteers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com * Outreach working group: ufpj-nyc-outreach-subscribe@yahoogroups.com * Musicians, street performers, artists: contact Arts & Culture working group: thomasg@speakeasy.net or greenelent@earthlink.net IF WAR BEGINS >>> Converge on Times Square at 5pm on the day the bombing starts (the next day if bombing begins at night) TO RECEIVE UPDATES LIKE THIS ONE, VISIT http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email.php _____________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or update your listing go to: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email.php?id=32469&token=890282 -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.21 http://www.movabletype.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 14:32:44 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Re: to all my friends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Exquisite Squid > Id posh the wobbling war jib > U better fly duck sideways V, the roe tating tumbrel > the libido of plains, andrewsarchus nun withers the griding of albedo chaplets N-onychophagic rattles ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:02:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: [dtv@mwt.net: Re: ANNOUNCING "NO: A JOURNAL OF THE ARTS"] Comments: To: Rob McLennan In-Reply-To: <200303072104.h27L4MM25431@freenet10.carleton.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII how does one get to hear this? -- Robert Corbett "I will discuss perfidy with scholars as rcor@u.washington.edu as if spurning kisses, I will sip Department of English the marble marrow of empire. I want sugar University of Washington but I shall never wear shame and if you call that sophistry then what is Love" - Lisa Robertson On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Rob McLennan wrote: > >> you must know about the Nihilist Spasm Band, anchor band for the No > >> Music > >> Festival. > > & as poet David W. McFadden says, once youve heard their version of "What > a Friend we Have in Jesus," you cant ever go to church again w/ a straight > face. > rob > > -- > poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics > (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord., Small Press Action Network - > Ottawa (SPAN-O) ...snail c/o rr#1 maxville ontario canada k0c 1t0 > www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * 7th coll'n - paper hotel (Broken Jaw Press) > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:11:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: PoetrySz:demystifying mental illness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please check out PoetrySz:demystifying mental illness at http://www.poetrysz.net . Submissions for subsequent issues most welcome. regards Jill Chan editor, PoetrySz __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:16:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: The Naked Readings Subject: March 23rd Sander Zulauf & Community Jam @ The Naked Readings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Spiral Bridge Writers Guild requests your presence as we continue to = present reverberations of the soul... The Naked Readings Sunday, Mar. 23rd 7pm - Midnight Open Mic. Poetry & Art Series $5 Suggested donation We haven't changed the open mic., we've only added to it. We're opening and closing with a community expression session (DRUM = CIRCLE) Bring a Drum and get on down! Thanks to the amazing support of the passionate North Jersey Poetry = community we have not only found a great new spacious home to = intermingle at but we have heard the voices and beginning March 23rd = Spiral Bridge will introduce you monthly to a featured poet. We are honored and delighted to present=20 March's featured Poet=20 Sander Zulauf Sander Zulauf is editor of the Journal of New Jersey Poets and first = Poet Laureate of the Diocese of Newark. He teaches English and creative = writing at County College of Morris in Randolph. His books include = Succasunna NewJersey (Breaking Point, 1987), a book of his poems, and the first ten volumes of the Index of American = Periodical Verse. He produced and directed the First American Poetry = Disc, the first video anthology of distinguished American poets reading = their poems. In the late 1990's, he served as director of Ars Poetica from Skylands Writers and Artists = Association, which published two books of poetry by New Jersey poet Joe = Salerno (1947-1995). In 2002 he received the "Excellence in Print" award = from the Public Radio's "Poet and the Poem" program from the Library of = Congress. In addition to a new manuscript of poetry currently = circulating among publishers, he as written two screenplays, "Tristram = Shandy" and "Hotel De Dream."=20 @ Bloomfield Ave. Caf=E9 & Stage=20 347 Bloomfield Ave. Montclair, NJ=20 Sunday Mar. 23rd, 2003 7pm-Midnight Visit us on-line @ www.SpiralBridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:40:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: ISSN? ISBN? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed All, I'm starting up a chapbook series and am wondering if anyone would expound a little on the merits of going "official" and perhaps explain how both ISSN & ISBNs work and how one would go about securing those. thanks, Noah ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 16:49:03 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JULIANA SPAHR Subject: charles bernstein "a defence of poetry" on cybergraphia MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit featured poem for March... Charles Bernstein "A Defence of Poetry" on CYBERGRAPHIA http://cg.bard.edu last month: Alice Notley "White Phosphorus" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 21:54:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: ISSN? ISBN? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Noah, ISBNs are for books, chapbooks, annuals, or any other print publication to which you would like to assign one and which is either unique or part of a series that appears no more frequently than annually. ISSNs are for serials that appear more frequently than annually. That's my understanding at least. You can get ISBNs from a company called Bowker at bowker.com. I'm not sure if you can actually apply for the numbers online, but you can get the info there, if not. They sell ISBNs in blocks of ten; they assign you the numbers and you assign the numbers to the titles as you need them and inform Bowker (who publishes Books in Print) of the assignment. ISSNs I'm less sure about, but I need to learn more myself, because I need to get them for Sentence. We can get more info at issn.org. Maybe someone else on the list will fill us both in. Hope this helps. Brian -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of noah eli gordon Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:40 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: ISSN? ISBN? All, I'm starting up a chapbook series and am wondering if anyone would expound a little on the merits of going "official" and perhaps explain how both ISSN & ISBNs work and how one would go about securing those. thanks, Noah ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 23:09:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron McCollough Subject: Re: ISSN? ISBN? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This may be a redundancy for you Noah, but when I was thinking through = these questions vis-a-vis running GutCult as a print journal, I found = this website relatively clear = http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/isbnqa.asp Best- Aaron ****************************************************** Aaron McCollough English Department University of Michigan "It is the model of fear that sponsors narration" --Philip Fisher ****************************************************** ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "noah eli gordon" To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: ISSN? ISBN? > All, >=20 > I'm starting up a chapbook series and am wondering if anyone would = expound a > little on the merits of going "official" and perhaps explain how both = ISSN & > ISBNs work and how one would go about securing those. >=20 > thanks, > Noah >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________ >=20 > "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" >=20 > --Nick Moudry >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:26:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Of late on the weblog of your life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Why I don't have a crush on Nada Fumbling toward a lack of Pretension Hi, I'm Jim, I'm a drunk idiot The pinstripe Effect http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:33:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: invisible war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII invisible war warm exhausted, frightened, battered from the slaughter... i crawl towards her, i'm forward, do lovely war benefiting latin anti-war president saying tony snowy, you are warming it, too - the whole lot of them cold warriors compulsive-obsessives under warning - we're a declared state emergency :resistance is thrust with stroke keys. boy wounded in flanders holding onward this great beast penurious, shim gentle wound, before or after, have needs. an other need, says travis. alas, then, war, tomorrow. we die, not to be massacre, immobilized, he wounding beautiful me, exist. but it's that die, question. idiot year? friend, terrible, child. listens all radio television, she knows what about, don't know. so ask her brave easy making "television, war." thrown off balance, formal energy tending military action. it .write room. sink swim. === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 00:57:34 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: the Artfully Built Mountain In-Reply-To: <003401c2e52f$8b2708d0$15d6ba89@housepress> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3rd Millennium BCE decrypted JPG of the Artfully Built Mountain (some doubt about dating of pictograms) Book of Saphah: "Zarathustra worked no miracles. He said miracles were the tricks of spirits and mortals. The highest of all good was to do good, and be good." 1. You will Live in the Moment. Fleeing your Homeland is your only Option. Birds of Terror follows You where you Go. 2. Bodies are Lying Everywhere. 3. Burn Shadow of Bodies Lying Everywhere. 4. Shaking Inverse Hands is Keystroke of the Invasion of Peace. 5. Body in Balance. Walk in Other's Shoes. 6. Chaos Dancing Planetary Jiggle. 7. The Beast of Civilization is Weighted Down by Neaderthal Conqueror Consciousness. 8. Only some Remain Free. 9. Earth is a Comet of Comic Devolution, Entrophy Exhausts the Core. 10. The Seed of Reaching-Skyward Shelters those who Know. 11. Coagulants of Many Nations Catalyze. 12. Omega Triangulated. Maximum Diversity Achieved. 13. Expanding Forces of what a Body is & what a Body can Be. 14.One Ear listening to other Ear in Perpetuity. 15. Planet Spaceship is Seed of Next Lifeform. http://www.spidertangle.net/babili/great_mountain.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 03:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: -the well nourished moon- interviews -fait accompli- Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Stephanie Young -the well nourished moon- http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com interviews -fait accompli- http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com on time travel ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:19:12 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: wildhoney Subject: Re: ISSN? ISBN? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I got my ISBN's for free. The agent in your country gives you a country and publisher code and the rest of the number is worked out by a formula. . Due to formulaphobia, they manage to make money by selling the things worked out for people. But it's easy to do on a spreadsheet. best Randolph Healy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clements" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 3:54 AM Subject: Re: ISSN? ISBN? > Hi Noah, > > ISBNs are for books, chapbooks, annuals, or any other print publication to > which you would like to assign one and which is either unique or part of a > series that appears no more frequently than annually. ISSNs are for serials > that appear more frequently than annually. That's my understanding at least. > > You can get ISBNs from a company called Bowker at bowker.com. I'm not sure > if you can actually apply for the numbers online, but you can get the info > there, if not. They sell ISBNs in blocks of ten; they assign you the numbers > and you assign the numbers to the titles as you need them and inform Bowker > (who publishes Books in Print) of the assignment. > > ISSNs I'm less sure about, but I need to learn more myself, because I need > to get them for Sentence. We can get more info at issn.org. Maybe someone > else on the list will fill us both in. > > Hope this helps. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of noah eli gordon > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 8:40 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: ISSN? ISBN? > > > All, > > I'm starting up a chapbook series and am wondering if anyone would expound a > little on the merits of going "official" and perhaps explain how both ISSN & > ISBNs work and how one would go about securing those. > > thanks, > Noah > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" > > --Nick Moudry > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 05:29:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "owned" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "owned" owned devices integrity simulations models models owned devices integrity simulations models models owned devices integrity simulations models models devices integrity simulations models models BSE BSE BSE BSE likeness made BSE BSE likeness made BSE BSE likeness made likeness made memories Y peripherals buses memories Y peripherals buses memories Y peripherals buses memories Y peripherals buses meals meals meals practices baseline meals m score practices baseline m score practices baseline m score letteth meddled strife practices baseline m score letteth meddled strife 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 05:31:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "exhausts overflowing" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "exhausts overflowing" exclaimed nay trinkets exclaimed nay trinkets exclaimed nay trinkets exclaimed nay trinkets made forgave made forgave made followed stopped timetables forgave made followed stopped timetables crept forgave followed stopped timetables crept followed stopped timetables crept crept gazed moves gazed moves tucked hallway gazed moves tucked hallway gazed moves met tucked hallway met tucked hallway met rocks whislin wandered e'en eerie ejecting dugouts sticks laid sides met rocks whislin wandered e'en eerie ejecting dugouts sticks laid sides rocks whislin wandered e'en eerie ejecting dugouts sticks laid sides rocks whislin wandered e'en eerie asked ejecting dugouts sticks laid sides wrapping asked shook cities told wrapping asked shook cities told wrapping asked shook cities told wrapping shook cities told nightfall nightfall nightfall asked nightfall asked asked thee balanced eyes thee hating despise asked combined holding seal thee balanced eyes thee hating despise combined holding seal thee balanced eyes thee hating despise times combined holding seal thee balanced eyes thee hating despise times combined holding seal approached fierce times approached fierce times approached fierce approached fierce blindworm seagrasses blindworm seagrasses blindworm seagrasses blindworm seagrasses disturbed ages solitude primeval disturbed ages solitude primeval riding taut bowstring disturbed ages solitude primeval riding taut bowstring disturbed ages solitude primeval riding taut bowstring riding taut bowstring hateful made recalcitrancy hateful made recalcitrancy hateful made recalcitrancy hateful made recalcitrancy told told told told told told told told myself overtired kept asking myself overtired kept asking suppertime myself overtired kept asking donors suppertime myself overtired kept asking donors suppertime imperfectly penetrated donors suppertime imperfectly penetrated donors highly treasured spoils heads slain imperfectly penetrated rage Mámam highly treasured spoils heads slain imperfectly penetrated rage Mámam highly treasured spoils heads slain rage Mámam highly treasured spoils heads slain rage Mámam neat sidewhiskers neat sidewhiskers neat sidewhiskers neat sidewhiskers smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion hearted hearted hearted died secrets souls hearted maidens entwined starred died secrets souls communicating villa peristyle maidens entwined starred died secrets souls communicating villa peristyle maidens entwined starred died secrets souls communicating villa peristyle maidens entwined starred communicating villa peristyle talking reminded talking reminded talking reminded talking reminded hath mankind hath mankind hath mankind hath mankind lurking rose numerous haunts fulfilled idle lurking rose numerous haunts fulfilled idle lurking rose numerous haunts fulfilled idle lurking rose numerous haunts fulfilled idle tombs tombs tombs tombs denies gods denies gods scattered dreams denies gods scattered dreams denies gods scattered dreams scattered dreams looking wondering moons looking wondering moons looking wondering moons confer enviable urbane wondered looking wondering moons confer shuttle enviable urbane wondered confer shuttle enviable urbane wondered confer shuttle enviable urbane wondered pulling pubic shuttle pulling pubic gave drowned taking pulling pubic gave drowned taking? 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:26:26 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: White House Unveils New 'Adopt A Bomb' Campaign Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press White House Unveils New 'Adopt A Bomb' Campaign By YASO ADIODI Real Special to The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 09:51:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Poems by others: Kenneth Fearing, "En Route" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit En Route No violence, Feeling may run high for a time, but remember, no violence, And hurry, this moment of ours may not return. But we will meet again? Yes, yes, now go, Take only the lastest instruments, use trained men in conservative tweeds who know how to keep their mouths shut, The key positions must he held at all costs, Bring guns, ropes, kerosine, it may be hard to persuade our be- loved leader there must be no violence, no violence, No violence, nothing left to chance, no hysteria and above all, no sentiment, The least delay, the slightest mistake means the end, yes, the end-- Why are you worried? What is there to be worried about? It's fixed, I tell you, fixed, there's nothing to it, listen: We will meet across the continents and years at 4 a.m. outside the Greek's when next the barometer reads 28.28 and the wind is from the South South-East bringing rain and hail and fog and snow; Until then I travel by dead reckoning and you will take your bearings from the stars; I cannot tell you more, except this: When you give the sign our agent will approach and say, "Have you seen the hand- writing?" Then your man is to reply, "We have brought the money"; So we will make ourselves known to each other, And it will be the same as before, perhaps even better, and we will arrange to meet again, as always, and say good-bye as now, and as we always will, and it will be O.K.; now go-- But what if the police find out? What if the wires are down? What if credit is refused? What if the banks fail? What if war breaks out? What if one of us should die? What good can all of this be to you, or to us, or to anyone? Think of the price-- What are you trying to do, be funny? This is serious; Hurry; We must be prepared for anything, anything, anything. --Kenneth Fearing fr. *New & Selected Poems* [Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1956] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:03:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: XCP in NYC!!!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable be there or be =9A XCP in NYC (Two Readings, March 15-16) Rodrigo Toscano, Jeff Derksen, & Mark Nowak Saturday, March 15, 10am @ Socialist Scholars Conference, Cooper Union (See for complete program details) Kimiko Hahn, Wang Ping, Mark Nowak, & Anyssa Kim Sunday, March 16, 5pm @ Tribes Gallery, 285 East Third Street (See for complete program details) -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 16:25:43 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Salt Lick Quarterly Comments: To: Britpo , Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a plug for a new Melbourne based magazine which is coming into the world, I am afraid it includes poems by me but apart from that lapse of taste you might notice there are some good writers in the list of contributors (below). I include too a snip from a mail by one of the editors. Best Dave >We've got a website (of sorts) up at www.members.optusnet.com.au/saltlickquarterly/ And a launch happening at Dante's, Fitzroy (Melbourne) on Friday 21st, 7pm... At which most of the Melbourne contributors will read.< Contributors: Jennifer Harrison Alex Skovron Patricia Sykes Kris Hemensley Lauren Williams Kevin Hart Lorin Ford Eric Beach Joanne Burns Jill Jones Adam Aitken Bev Braune Judith Beveridge Nicolette Stasko Peter Minter Geoff Goodfellow Chris Mooney Singh Graham Rowlands Geoff Page Dennis Haskell Anthony Lawrence David P. Reiter Ric Adamson Carole Nelson Phillips Richard Zola David Bircumshaw Douglas Barbour Jimmy Lo Robert Creeley David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:39:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Poets for the UN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George W. Bush is saying that because the United Nations isn't voting = for his war the organization no longer relevant. I suggest that it's = important for people around the world to affirm their support of the UN, = and the morality of those nations who are standing up against aggression = as a way for nations to settle their differences in the 21st Century. It = seems like the UN has finally grown into the organization it was = envisioned to be, one that was founded to keep the peace between = nations.=20 If the UN votes against the invasion of Iraq next week, perhaps poetry = readings in support of the UN can be put together around the world.=20 Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 08:49:13 -0800 Reply-To: arshile@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Salerno Organization: Arshile: A Magazine of the Arts Subject: Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno :: in Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ______THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents its inaugural event :: an evening of poetry and music Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno [Lisa Jarnot's books of poetry include _Some Other Kind of Mission_ and _Ring of Fire_. She lives in New York where she is writing a biography of Robert Duncan.] [Jennifer Walshe's music has been performed throughout Europe, the U.S. and Canada. Born in Ireland, she is currently living in Chicago where she teaches at Northwestern University and frequently performs as a vocalist specialising in extended techniques.] [Mark Salerno's books of poetry include _Hate_, _For Revery_, and his most recent volume, _Method_. He is the Reviews Editor for The New Review of Literature and the Poetry Editor for The Los Angeles Review.] Friday, March 14 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB 3030 is a former pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humbolt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:57:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Jeni Olin and Jim Behrle, Soft Skull 3/16/03 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 14:06:42 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Forgeries Could Be Used To Try U.S. Officials For War Crimes Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Evidence on Iraq Nuclear Program Forged: Finger Pointing Among CIA, MI5 and Mossad Begins: If Iraq Attacked, Forgeries Could Be Used To Try U.S. Officials For War Crimes By CHUBBY WARDICK The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:25:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derek beaulieu Subject: ALLEY ALLEY HOME FREE! A NORTH AMERICAN POETRY AND POETICS CONFERENCE AND FESTIVAL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable **********ANNOUNCING********** ALLEY ALLEY HOME FREE! A NORTH AMERICAN POETRY AND POETICS=20 CONFERENCE AND FESTIVAL in Honour of Fred Wah=20 Calgary, Alberta, May 15 - 18, 2003 =20 Organizing Committee: =20 derek beaulieu, Pauline Butling, Nicole Markotic, Susan Rudy =20 Fred Wah will retire from the University of Calgary in June 2003. To = celebrate Fred Wah, his writing, and his contexts, we are organizing a = poetry and poetics conference and festival from Thursday evening, May 15 = until Sunday morning, May 18, 2003 at the University of Calgary. Beginning with an evening reading by Fred Wah hosted by = awarding-winning novelist and critic Aritha van Herk on May 15th, the = conference will consist of Friday, Saturday, and Sunday morning panels = on contemporary poetics and three evening readings. Panels will include = poets and scholars discussing formally innovative and socially engaged = practices. Topics will include Racing through Poetics, Engendering = Practices, Hybridity, Biotexts, Diminishing the Lyric I, Writer as = Teacher, and Poetry and Communities. Scholars of Canadian literature = and/or contemporary poetics who will deliver papers include Frank Davey, = Jeff Derksen, Charlene Diehl-Jones, Smaro Kamboureli, Susan Knutson, = Robert Kroetsch, Walter Lew, Steve McCaffery, Miriam Nichols, and Peter = Quartermain. Friday evening's reading, hosted by George Bowering, Canada's own = Parliamentary Poet Laureate, will feature more than two dozen of Wah's = former students who are now published writers. Confirmed readers include = Louis Cabri, Jeff Derksen, Susan Holbrook, Ashok Mathur, Ian Samuels, = Jacqueline Turner, Darren Wershler-Henry, and Rita Wong.=20 Poet and critic Roy Miki, this year's winner of the Governor General's = Award for Poetry, will host the Saturday evening reading featuring Wah's = contemporaries. Confirmed readers include Charles Bernstein, Colin = Browne, Diana Hartog, Robert Kroetsch, Daphne Marlatt, Barry McKinnon, = Erin Mour=E9, Gerry Shikatani, and Lola Lemire Tostevin, and Tom Wayman. REGISTRATION FEES Fully Employed: $35.00 =20 Part-time: $25.00 =20 Graduate Students: $20.00 =20 Undergraduate Students $10.00 =20 =20 To register please contact: derek beaulieu c/o Department of English 11th Floor, Social Sciences University of Calgary 2500 University Dr. N.W. Calgary, Alberta T2N 1N4 Email: derek@housepress.ca Please make cheques payable to the University of Calgary. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 12:24:28 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Andromeda in Zermatt Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andromeda in Zermatt (a vortext-datastatue w/ tobacco & cat-hair) raise black sidewalks butterfly weakness ergies, forces to make vgh strengthening strength isible throu Dynamic: en strength of the means. --- Curve . the intensIntensity/..or weakness xity, through strengthenine, throughing of the lity of conve --- Curve through in volute torrent, strengthening tion... ...battle, wrestling maestosling, encirc/ multiplica Whirlwind. 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Cigar glow, cookstove, Andromeda / fog Spiral funnel of the rudder in water/ water vortex in the washbasin, bat spiral, crater vortex/ machineatomic, sculpted cigarette smoke, Rococo chapel volute torrent, Zermatt, vortex around cliffs play of ecstasy around vortex seagulls' flight, butterfly vortex, humming- birds.... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:15:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: McCaffery In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Steve McCaffery was in great form during his reading at the Kootenay School of Writing, Vancouver, last night. He will be in Prince George tonight, and in Calgary the next day, or is it Monday. -- George Bowering Driven by good sense Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:48:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Poems by others: Kenneth Fearing, "En Route" In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Halvard, it's nice to see a Fearing poem, appropriate, too. Now there's a gifted one who fell through the cracks. Have not read him in so long, I forget why. Stephen V on 3/8/03 6:51 AM, Halvard Johnson at halvard@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > En Route > > No violence, > Feeling may run high for a time, but remember, no violence, > And hurry, this moment of ours may not return. > > But we will meet again? Yes, yes, now go, > Take only the lastest instruments, use trained men in conservative > tweeds who know how to keep their mouths shut, > The key positions must he held at all costs, > Bring guns, ropes, kerosine, it may be hard to persuade our be- > loved leader there must be no violence, no violence, > > No violence, nothing left to chance, no hysteria and above all, > no sentiment, > The least delay, the slightest mistake means the end, yes, the end-- > Why are you worried? > > What is there to be worried about? It's fixed, I tell you, fixed, > there's nothing to it, listen: > We will meet across the continents and years at 4 a.m. outside > the Greek's when next the barometer reads 28.28 and the > wind is from the South South-East bringing rain and hail > and fog and snow; > Until then I travel by dead reckoning and you will take your > bearings from the stars; > > I cannot tell you more, except this: When you give the sign our > agent will approach and say, "Have you seen the hand- > writing?" Then your man is to reply, "We have brought > the money"; > So we will make ourselves known to each other, > And it will be the same as before, perhaps even better, and we > will arrange to meet again, as always, and say good-bye as > now, and as we always will, and it will be O.K.; now go-- > > But what if the police find out? What if the wires are down? What > if credit is refused? What if the banks fail? What if war > breaks out? What if one of us should die? > What good can all of this be to you, or to us, or to anyone? Think > of the price-- > > What are you trying to do, be funny? This is serious; > Hurry; > We must be prepared for anything, anything, anything. > > --Kenneth Fearing > > fr. *New & Selected Poems* > [Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1956] > > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:11:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ontological Subject: FINAL WEEKS!! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit WARNING!!! Only five weeks left to see Richard Foreman's most provocative play ever!! PANIC! (How to be Happy!) Before it begins a world tour to Vienna, Zurich and beyond!! CALL 212.513.4650 Ben Brantley of The New York Times calls it "Potent theatrical witchcraft - one of the continuing miracles of New York Theatre" Call today! -- Joshua Briggs Production Manager Ontological-Hysteric Theatre 131 East 10th Street New York, NY 10003 Tel: 212-420-1916 Fax: 212-529-2318 ontological@mindspring.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:38:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Burning Man Festival Site in Protest Ritual Comments: cc: Pearlipog@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Burning Man Festival Site in Protest Ritual (Gothic News Service, 3/07/03) Two Rangers at Black Rock Mesa =AD the annual site in Nevada for the Burning Man Festival - were greeted by a strange vision this morning. Talking to a Reno newspaperman, one of them reported, "It was sunrise across the playa and we were on our first patrol. When we looked down from the perimeter ridge, we initially saw an astonishingly large grid of either body or garbage bags. Through our binoculars against the rising sun, we could see that they were definitely filled - it could have been potatoes or anything big and lumpy. Each bag was spaced about 30 feet away from the next one - about 50 parallel lines going north and south= , and about 40 going east and west. The whole thing made a large rectangular space, about a mile long and a kilometer wide. Frankly I can=B9t say if was just spooky, or both spooky and spectacular, to see all those black bags begin to get sun's first rays." "When we got down inside to the actual site," reported the other Ranger, "You can't believe what we found in each of those bags. Each one had a couple of breathing holes, thankfully, for otherwise they were tied down close with duct tape. I had to use my knife carefully so as not to cut anything inside. Low and behold, when I opened the first one, it was a body= . The first one a female and the next one a male, both in their twenties. Eac= h body was in a fetal, curled up shape. Breathing, thankfully, but totally comatose, or so it seemed. =20 "Yep, not saying a thing," the other ranger interrupted. "Nothing at all. But more strange, on the back of each body - and now we reckon there were over 1,000 - someone had scripted in large, lavender letters, "We Mourn for Iraq".=20 "When we cut open a few more bags, we realized that the people were of all ages and colors. I don=B9t know why, but we both started getting real sad and had to work real hard =AD opening one bag after another - to keep from breaking down and crying. I think we're both still pretty upset." According to the Reno Newspaperman =AD apart from his interview - nobody from the local Press was allowed to visit, photograph or film the occasion. Park and Regional authorities in contact with Attorney General Ashcroft's office apparently decided that any images of the comatose bodies might represent a national issue. The rangers did report that it took a full day to open the bags and deliver the bodies to a local, unidentified military base. It's not known whether any of the participants have begun to wake up, whether or not they will be charged with any crime and when or from where they will be released by the military. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:26:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: $text = "Aye, the pathway of girls . . ."; In-Reply-To: <004601c2e5b0$b873d940$5ba05e82@hevanet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit the pathway of Aye, the pathway, the pathway ofhe pathway of gipathway of girlshway of girls, ay of girls, as wf girls, as wellirls, as well ass, as well as boas well as boys,well as boys, isl as boys, is hes boys, is hedgeoys, is hedged w, is hedged withs hedged with daedged with dangeed with dangers with dangers froh dangers from tangers from the ers from the cra from the cradleom the cradle tothe cradle to th cradle to the gadle to the grave to the grave; o the grave; andhe grave; and wigrave; and with ve; and with the and with the ind with the inherith the inherite the inherited te inherited tendnherited tendencrited tendenciesed tendencies entendencies entandencies entanglicies entangling s entangling thentangling them ingling them it sing them it seem them it seems wem it seems wellit seems well niseems well nigh ms well nigh hopwell nigh hopelel nigh hopeless igh hopeless to hopeless to thipeless to think ess to think of to think of hol think of holdinink of holding t of holding them holding them inlding them in thng them in the pthem in the pathm in the pathwayn the pathway ofhe pathway of mopathway of moralhway of moral rey of moral rectif moral rectitudoral rectitude. l rectitude. 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Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 -In Memory of Truth- a new installation by Ligorano/Reese went on view tonight, at eyewash @ Monk Gallery, 301 Bedford Avenue (Bedford & S. 1st St= , Brooklyn.718-782-2458) Nora Ligorano decided she wanted to see a video screened on the head of a pin and asked her partner Marshall Reese if he could do it. The result is one of the most exciting installations yet from this dynamic duo. The optical device looks like a giant microscope and when you look into it through a magnifier you see a number of films collaged together screened on the tiny plastic head of a pin! Most of the films are early war films. The installation also included a large digital wall photo of Bush at the moment he was told of 9/11 by Andrew Card. All of Ligorano/Reese=B9s work, most of which incorporate video, contain powerful, very witty political messages and often operate on a subtle subliminal level.=20 A recent project of Ligorano/Reese consisted of a John Ashcroft snow globe. Although obviously the piece was meant as a parody, Ashcroft or some of his friends were charmed and bought some of the snow globes. Ashcroft was given one as a gift and evidently he displayed it proudly. The whole episode was detailed in a recent issue of the New Yorker. Other recent works of Ligorano/Reese include "Turning Leaves of Mind," an artists' book collaboration with the poet Gerrit Lansing and "Breakfast of Champions" a 1991 piece about Desert Storm, exhlbited in the recent "Critical Consumption" show at the Rotunda Gallery in Brooklyn. For more information on Ligorano/Reese visit their website at www.pureproductusa.com -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:09:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Shell Subject: Re: Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno :: in Chicago Comments: To: arshile@earthlink.net In-Reply-To: <3E6A1F03.F145E68C@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit City? Don't sound like SF streets but just wanted to be sure.... On 3/8/03 8:49 AM, "Mark Salerno" wrote: > ______THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ > > presents its inaugural event :: an evening of poetry and music > > Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno > > > [Lisa Jarnot's books of poetry include _Some Other Kind of Mission_ and _Ring > of Fire_. She lives in > New York where she is writing a biography of Robert Duncan.] > > > [Jennifer Walshe's music has been performed throughout Europe, the U.S. and > Canada. Born in Ireland, > she is currently living in Chicago where she teaches at Northwestern > University and frequently > performs as a vocalist specialising in extended techniques.] > > > [Mark Salerno's books of poetry include _Hate_, _For Revery_, and his most > recent volume, _Method_. > He is the Reviews Editor for The New Review of Literature and the Poetry > Editor for The Los Angeles > Review.] > > > Friday, March 14 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB > > > 3030 is a former pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one > block south of Armitage > between Humbolt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. > > The Discrete Series will present an event of > poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday > of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email > j_seldess@hotmail.com or > kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:02:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "destruction diplomatic agility" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "destruction diplomatic agility" soldier biological lawless proboscis masks reporting party plans during height conversion forces ethnic crow-bar inspector general audit report soldier biological lawless proboscis masks reporting annul controls receipt equipment party plans during height conversion chronology australia group pantry earlier support civil forces ethnic crow-bar inspector general audit report soldier biological lawless proboscis masks reporting commission congress assuming annul controls receipt equipment party plans during height conversion agreement required flay argentina hungary invited new chronology australia group pantry earlier support civil forces ethnic crow-bar inspector general audit report soldier biological lawless proboscis masks reporting assist actinium maintenance social enable commission congress assuming annul controls receipt equipment party plans during height conversion expeditions plan provision assistance development time scrap well-known responsive system agreement required flay argentina hungary invited new chronology australia group pantry earlier support civil forces ethnic crow-bar inspector general audit report immediate positive constitutes important contribution assist actinium maintenance social enable commission congress assuming annul controls receipt equipment including argentina australia heightens world contracts produce expeditions plan provision assistance development time scrap well-known responsive system agreement required flay argentina hungary invited new chronology australia group pantry earlier support civil surveillance program manager firmly immediate positive constitutes important contribution assist actinium maintenance social enable commission congress assuming volunteer time expertise members sturdy dated february found inventory including argentina australia heightens world contracts produce expeditions plan provision assistance development time scrap well-known responsive system agreement required flay argentina hungary invited new eighteen time micorprocessor poppy surveillance program manager firmly immediate positive constitutes important contribution assist actinium maintenance social enable natural mandate change future support wind -removed include pathologists forensic developments altered international medical assets among others used volunteer time expertise members sturdy dated february found inventory including argentina australia heightens world contracts produce expeditions plan provision assistance development time scrap well-known responsive system technology wassenaar strengths eighteen time micorprocessor poppy surveillance program manager firmly immediate positive constitutes important contribution agreed follows article antarctica shall natural mandate change future support wind - removed include pathologists forensic developments altered international medical assets among others used volunteer time expertise members sturdy dated february found inventory including argentina australia heightens world contracts produce communities jerusalem post reported technology wassenaar strengths eighteen time micorprocessor poppy surveillance program manager firmly developed issued christian even provisions magnitude agreed follows article antarctica shall natural mandate change future support wind -removed include pathologists forensic developments altered international medical assets among others used volunteer time expertise members sturdy dated february found inventory weapons ready inactive reserve warheads communities jerusalem post reported technology wassenaar strengths eighteen time micorprocessor poppy external intervention work closely developed issued christian even provisions magnitude agreed follows article antarctica shall natural mandate change future support wind -removed include pathologists forensic developments altered international medical assets among others used concerns expressed willingness wreath weapons ready inactive reserve warheads communities jerusalem post reported technology wassenaar strengths upper-case future international external intervention work closely developed issued christian even provisions magnitude agreed follows article antarctica shall enthusiasm corrected somewhere concerns expressed willingness wreath weapons ready inactive reserve warheads communities jerusalem post reported cardagos carajos shoals data upper- case future international external intervention work closely developed issued christian even provisions magnitude response well future plans kangaroo wharf country enthusiasm corrected somewhere concerns expressed willingness wreath weapons ready inactive reserve warheads training development related cynical maze combating terrorism cardagos carajos shoals data upper-case future international external intervention work closely supermarket protocol party undertakes response well future plans kangaroo wharf country enthusiasm corrected somewhere concerns expressed willingness wreath limited focus exchangers condensers training development related cynical maze combating terrorism cardagos carajos shoals data upper-case future international meetings provided records those supermarket protocol party undertakes response well future plans kangaroo wharf country enthusiasm corrected somewhere considerations account seek networks hospitals emergency departments limited focus exchangers condensers training development related cynical maze combating terrorism cardagos carajos shoals data implement quickly specifically geared meetings provided records those supermarket protocol party undertakes response well future plans kangaroo wharf country identification requirements validation representatives committee government street bond market visiting nurses considerations account seek networks hospitals emergency departments limited focus exchangers condensers training development related cynical maze combating terrorism measures inhibiting cbw new russian legislation implementing logical operation assistance science implement quickly specifically geared meetings provided records those supermarket protocol party undertakes crisis flat-iron publication released identification requirements validation representatives committee government street bond market visiting nurses considerations account seek networks hospitals emergency departments limited focus exchangers condensers locations shall tummy ache recommendations process measures inhibiting cbw new russian legislation implementing logical operation assistance science implement quickly specifically geared meetings provided records those threatening used shall cord strength crisis flat-iron publication released identification requirements validation representatives committee government street bond market visiting nurses considerations account seek networks hospitals emergency departments biological drawer event shared many agencies locations shall tummy ache recommendations process measures inhibiting cbw new russian legislation implementing logical operation assistance science implement quickly specifically geared learned clearly daylong new memory threatening used shall cord strength crisis flat-iron publication released identification requirements validation representatives committee government street bond market visiting nurses itself nuclear weapons join gravity interests values beliefs must biological drawer event shared many agencies locations shall tummy ache recommendations process measures inhibiting cbw new russian legislation implementing logical operation assistance science cities towns within area military ameliorate require response local learned clearly daylong new memory threatening used shall cord strength crisis flat-iron publication released established common export controls exert roundly stock system itself nuclear weapons join gravity interests values beliefs must biological drawer event shared many agencies locations shall tummy ache recommendations process capabilities come topic ways improve cities towns within area military ameliorate require response local learned clearly daylong new memory threatening used shall cord strength vaccine sponge united states wait established common export controls exert roundly stock system itself nuclear weapons join gravity interests values beliefs must biological drawer event shared many agencies remains measures deal proliferation capabilities come topic ways improve cities towns within area military ameliorate require response local learned clearly daylong new memory report ch ind htm advice lax -nucleus article shall continue vaccine sponge united states wait established common export controls exert roundly stock system itself nuclear weapons join gravity interests values beliefs must advance well-informed subtle slipper remains measures deal proliferation capabilities come topic ways improve cities towns within area military ameliorate require response local occasion encourage risk substantial surprise least every report ch ind htm advice lax -nucleus article shall continue vaccine sponge united states wait established common export controls exert roundly stock system tests offered substitute criteria anthrax while none these threats proved advance well-informed subtle slipper remains measures deal proliferation capabilities come topic ways improve contribution principles purposes occasion encourage risk substantial surprise least every report ch ind htm advice lax -nucleus article shall continue vaccine sponge united states wait gum average combustion chamber tests offered substitute criteria anthrax while none these threats proved advance well-informed subtle slipper remains measures deal proliferation mail charter constitution representative contribution principles purposes occasion encourage risk substantial surprise least every report ch ind htm advice lax -nucleus article shall continue effort avert risk outbreak such war phases production such much higher ill gum average combustion chamber tests offered substitute criteria anthrax while none these threats proved advance well-informed subtle slipper march advisory panel assess domestic mail charter constitution representative contribution principles purposes occasion encourage risk substantial surprise least every equipment components auditory united effort avert risk outbreak such war phases production such much higher ill gum average combustion chamber tests offered substitute criteria anthrax while none these threats proved imf deal reschedule moscow cold war march advisory panel assess domestic mail charter constitution representative contribution principles purposes public health leadership institute focus june world bruise -confidence efficient destruction chemical weapons equipment components auditory united effort avert risk outbreak such war phases production such much higher ill gum average combustion chamber nuclear weapons well outing take imf deal reschedule moscow cold war march advisory panel assess domestic mail charter constitution representative strategy contain­ing china now tongs public health leadership institute focus june world bruise -confidence efficient destruction chemical weapons equipment components auditory united effort avert risk outbreak such war phases production such much higher ill lives ballistic missiles related nuclear weapons well outing take imf deal reschedule moscow cold war march advisory panel assess domestic more accurate aggrieve agreement cases - against uncertain igy national strategy contain­ing china now tongs public health leadership institute focus june world bruise -confidence efficient destruction chemical weapons equipment components auditory united program fearing united states congress lives ballistic missiles related nuclear weapons well outing take imf deal reschedule moscow cold war major acquisition fact loose voicemitter ring previously -inventory daytime desk rucksack feign marigold more accurate aggrieve agreement cases -against uncertain igy national strategy contain­ing china now tongs public health leadership institute focus june world bruise - confidence efficient destruction chemical weapons harmonizing national export controls cw program fearing united states congress lives ballistic missiles related nuclear weapons well outing take wrapping- impending entry force vibrate response major acquisition fact loose voicemitter ring previously -inventory daytime desk rucksack feign marigold more accurate aggrieve agreement cases -against uncertain igy national strategy contain­ing china now tongs diplomatic agility kim combat vehicle harmonizing national export controls cw program fearing united states congress lives ballistic missiles related american inspections included soviet confidence interval target warrant wrapping- impending entry force vibrate response major acquisition fact loose voicemitter ring previously -inventory daytime desk rucksack feign marigold more accurate aggrieve agreement cases -against uncertain igy national reform subcommittee reproach article iv destruction diplomatic agility kim combat vehicle harmonizing national export controls cw program fearing united states congress congress directed supplement dtc categories battle tanks armored combat development program weapons technology state international law regard just now american inspections included soviet confidence interval target warrant wrapping-impending entry force vibrate response major acquisition fact loose voicemitter ring previously -inventory daytime desk rucksack feign marigold x-band radar commencement design half suits africa hardly much reform subcommittee reproach article iv destruction diplomatic agility kim combat vehicle harmonizing national export controls cw translation outstanding accomplish congress directed supplement dtc categories battle tanks armored combat development program weapons technology state international law regard just now american inspections included soviet confidence interval target warrant wrapping-impending entry force vibrate response who often carry efforts tatar always available assist x-band radar commencement design half suits africa hardly much reform subcommittee reproach article iv destruction diplomatic agility kim combat vehicle university establishment wassenaar eu translation outstanding accomplish congress directed supplement dtc categories battle tanks armored combat development program weapons technology state international law regard just now american inspections included soviet confidence interval target warrant toxins must demonstrate resolve protect who often carry efforts tatar always available assist x-band radar commencement design half suits africa hardly much reform subcommittee reproach article iv destruction departments due lack dedicated resources university establishment wassenaar eu translation outstanding accomplish congress directed supplement dtc categories battle tanks armored combat development program weapons technology state international law regard just now promote let now look manufactured toxins must demonstrate resolve protect who often carry efforts tatar always available assist x-band radar commencement design half suits africa hardly much interface adopt more evolutionary departments due lack dedicated resources university establishment wassenaar eu translation outstanding accomplish list plant likely introduce ambitious slate reform promote let now look manufactured toxins must demonstrate resolve protect who often carry efforts tatar always available assist variety suspicious packages hoax devices interface adopt more evolutionary departments due lack dedicated resources university establishment wassenaar eu availability technologies rabies junction asymptotic list plant likely introduce ambitious slate reform promote let now look manufactured toxins must demonstrate resolve protect morale criminal activities democracy variety suspicious packages hoax devices interface adopt more evolutionary departments due lack dedicated resources perseverance overarching responsibility availability technologies rabies junction asymptotic list plant likely introduce ambitious slate reform promote let now look manufactured community officials reinforced through morale criminal activities democracy variety suspicious packages hoax devices interface adopt more evolutionary current future objective russian perseverance overarching responsibility availability technologies rabies junction asymptotic list plant likely introduce ambitious slate reform feature united states enjoys community officials reinforced through morale criminal activities democracy variety suspicious packages hoax devices purpose assurance representatives current future objective russian perseverance overarching responsibility availability technologies rabies junction asymptotic established export controls kiss marvel disastrous libya medium- feature united states enjoys community officials reinforced through morale criminal activities democracy improvements capability wire purpose assurance representatives current future objective russian perseverance overarching responsibility needed canvas community current established export controls kiss marvel disastrous libya medium- feature united states enjoys community officials reinforced through technologies dupont bath ghana libyan improvements capability wire purpose assurance representatives current future objective russian epidemiologic gulf war governor basket declared needed canvas community current established export controls kiss marvel disastrous libya medium- feature united states enjoys hoax devices equilibrium process technologies dupont bath ghana libyan improvements capability wire purpose assurance representatives facilitation international scientific system description collegue threat epidemiologic gulf war governor basket declared needed canvas community current established export controls kiss marvel disastrous libya medium-alloys more men women uniform treat hoax devices equilibrium process technologies dupont bath ghana libyan improvements capability wire security reach miles hour some days facilitation international scientific system description collegue threat epidemiologic gulf war governor basket declared needed canvas community current natick soldier center army inspectors ocher information available tailor health agencies holding great alloys more men women uniform treat hoax devices equilibrium process technologies dupont bath ghana libyan cart responsible promoting security reach miles hour some days facilitation international scientific system description collegue threat epidemiologic gulf war governor basket declared european union japan new zealand drinking trail staffs accompanying natick soldier center army inspectors ocher information available tailor health agencies holding great alloys more men women uniform treat hoax devices equilibrium process actions taken reaction enable type cart responsible promoting security reach miles hour some days facilitation international scientific system description collegue threat trajectory one held last friday well european union japan new zealand drinking trail staffs accompanying natick soldier center army inspectors ocher information available tailor health agencies holding great alloys more men women uniform treat collectively assess risks coordinate briefs include longer-range missiles actions taken reaction enable type cart responsible promoting security reach miles hour some days carrying traffic five sampled masks trajectory one held last friday well european union japan new zealand drinking trail staffs accompanying natick soldier center army inspectors ocher information available tailor health agencies holding great political situation naïf done now china flute charter collectively assess risks coordinate briefs include longer-range missiles actions taken reaction enable type cart responsible promoting addition received training such areas military division tousle compelling carrying traffic five sampled masks trajectory one held last friday well european union japan new zealand drinking trail staffs accompanying bladder testimony antarctica political situation naïf done now china flute charter collectively assess risks coordinate briefs include longer-range missiles actions taken reaction enable type island down digital analog converter addition received training such areas military division tousle compelling carrying traffic five sampled masks trajectory one held last friday well several years computers machine rolling-pin aftermath disasters support bladder testimony antarctica political situation naïf done now china flute charter collectively assess risks coordinate briefs include longer-range missiles service integration group process accordance intercourse chairman island down digital analog converter addition received training such areas military division tousle compelling carrying traffic five sampled masks north korea industry services march several years computers machine rolling- pin aftermath disasters support bladder testimony antarctica political situation naïf done now china flute charter authorized all australia group service integration group process accordance intercourse chairman island down digital analog converter addition received training such areas military division tousle compelling ctt mass destruction wmd incident north korea industry services march several years computers machine rolling-pin aftermath disasters support bladder testimony antarctica material end decades old war pose real threat authorized all australia group service integration group process accordance intercourse chairman island down digital analog converter provides youth demand date entry force ctt mass destruction wmd incident north korea industry services march several years computers machine rolling-pin aftermath disasters support --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:06:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "ss associated humane mandatory ode" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "ss associated humane mandatory ode" invisible limited korea third non-proliferation treaty renovate program provides operations maintenance regional cooperation al intercept take appropriate goal all protective suits cauldron rivalry deep-seated result equipping recommendation relatively future promulgate regulations governments reserved right assert claims implementing quantitative mask fit test national updating air force manual nbc mask fit produce highly effective munitions entertain spoon invisible limited korea third non- proliferation treaty equipped staff who educated ensure application safeguards specified regional cooperation al intercept take appropriate goal all protective suits cauldron rivalry deep-seated result equipping recommendation ceaseless success various chemicals governments reserved right assert claims implementing quantitative mask fit test national updating air force manual nbc mask fit produce highly effective munitions entertain spoon invisible limited distributed focusing procedures equipped staff who educated ensure application safeguards specified regional cooperation al intercept take appropriate goal all protective suits cauldron defense more warheads soviet swiftly continue ceaseless success various chemicals governments reserved right assert claims implementing quantitative mask fit test pretension clandestine bw research lot distributed focusing procedures equipped staff who educated ensure application safeguards specified regional cooperation al intercept take officials corporation subsidiary paid attitudes americans expanding nato -write discussed heightened concerns cbw defense more warheads soviet swiftly continue ceaseless success various chemicals governments reserved right assert claims star organizations even individuals pretension clandestine bw research lot distributed focusing procedures equipped staff who educated ensure application safeguards specified members obverse especially regard officials corporation subsidiary paid attitudes americans expanding nato -write discussed heightened concerns cbw defense more warheads soviet swiftly continue ceaseless success various chemicals terrorists acquire president pastrana many challenges one star organizations even individuals pretension clandestine bw research lot distributed focusing procedures must apace connections summary budget members obverse especially regard officials corporation subsidiary paid attitudes americans expanding nato -write discussed heightened concerns cbw defense more warheads soviet swiftly continue live office alleged puerto rico based smelly instructions coal romantic terrorists acquire president pastrana many challenges one star organizations even individuals pretension clandestine bw research lot refuse negotiate tape cartridge hairy must apace connections summary budget members obverse especially regard officials corporation subsidiary paid attitudes americans expanding nato -write discussed heightened concerns cbw chemical remaining problems while classification live office alleged puerto rico based smelly instructions coal romantic terrorists acquire president pastrana many challenges one star organizations even individuals pandemic influenza planning preparedness refuse negotiate tape cartridge hairy must apace connections summary budget members obverse especially regard trained equipped prepared handle issue test evaluation sites shift subject- chemical remaining problems while classification live office alleged puerto rico based smelly instructions coal romantic terrorists acquire president pastrana many challenges one mission april inf treaty intermediate- pandemic influenza planning preparedness refuse negotiate tape cartridge hairy must apace connections summary budget convinced beautifully both sides one another trained equipped prepared handle issue test evaluation sites shift subject- chemical remaining problems while classification live office alleged puerto rico based smelly instructions coal romantic these slide suits jeopardized kosovo mission april inf treaty intermediate- pandemic influenza planning preparedness refuse negotiate tape cartridge hairy total teams month period beginning -time time passive defense one finding convinced beautifully both sides one another trained equipped prepared handle issue test evaluation sites shift subject- chemical remaining problems while classification literal costs typically involve these slide suits jeopardized kosovo mission april inf treaty intermediate- pandemic influenza planning preparedness ewrs already circulate inoffensive article hold total teams month period beginning -time time passive defense one finding convinced beautifully both sides one another trained equipped prepared handle issue test evaluation sites shift subject-poverty united states america literal costs typically involve these slide suits jeopardized kosovo mission april inf treaty intermediate-join fas intentions finishes hammer ewrs already circulate inoffensive article hold total teams month period beginning -time time passive defense one finding convinced beautifully both sides one another boar meteoric stone af nbc passive poverty united states america literal costs typically involve these slide suits jeopardized kosovo subject export control av newcastle join fas intentions finishes hammer ewrs already circulate inoffensive article hold total teams month period beginning -time time passive defense one finding first tests demonstrate full plays boar meteoric stone af nbc passive poverty united states america literal costs typically involve today incident involving wmd agents whether subject export control av newcastle join fas intentions finishes hammer ewrs already circulate inoffensive article hold either add territory launching party first tests demonstrate full plays boar meteoric stone af nbc passive poverty united states america controls system subverted criminal today incident involving wmd agents whether subject export control av newcastle join fas intentions finishes hammer federal government top head dispute - ammunition information intercept either add territory launching party first tests demonstrate full plays boar meteoric stone af nbc passive decrepit whereson cobalt providers controls system subverted criminal today incident involving wmd agents whether subject export control av newcastle properties government pu summer africa particular april federal government top head dispute -ammunition information intercept either add territory launching party first tests demonstrate full plays inflict reimburse prithvi headmaster decrepit whereson cobalt providers controls system subverted criminal today incident involving wmd agents whether easiest one make example shops ones properties government pu summer africa particular april federal government top head dispute - ammunition information intercept either add territory launching party maintained webmaster antarctic consequence management planning response inflict reimburse prithvi headmaster decrepit whereson cobalt providers controls system subverted criminal series visits relevant facilities phase easiest one make example shops ones properties government pu summer africa particular april federal government top head dispute - ammunition information intercept program element descriptive nuclear activities nuclear explosive purposes reviewed recommendation made maintained webmaster antarctic consequence management planning response inflict reimburse prithvi headmaster decrepit whereson cobalt providers dengist states continues today puts series visits relevant facilities phase easiest one make example shops ones properties government pu summer africa particular april internal acquisition decision process commitments flurry event party program element descriptive nuclear activities nuclear explosive purposes reviewed recommendation made maintained webmaster antarctic consequence management planning response inflict reimburse prithvi headmaster production commit target thereby increasing dengist states continues today puts series visits relevant facilities phase easiest one make example shops ones command europe team authorized funded state help disk drive outputs high moderate risk internal acquisition decision process commitments flurry event party program element descriptive nuclear activities nuclear explosive purposes reviewed recommendation made maintained webmaster antarctic consequence management planning response agreement lightweight integrated suit production commit target thereby increasing dengist states continues today puts series visits relevant facilities phase program surveillance protective masks november secret report command europe team authorized funded state help disk drive outputs high moderate risk internal acquisition decision process commitments flurry event party program element descriptive nuclear activities nuclear explosive purposes reviewed recommendation made chestnut notifications well diversion agreement lightweight integrated suit production commit target thereby increasing dengist states continues today puts threats drama leck franchise program surveillance protective masks november secret report command europe team authorized funded state help disk drive outputs high moderate risk internal acquisition decision process commitments flurry event party boost joint service retail mask surveillance request pixel surveillance testing chestnut notifications well diversion agreement lightweight integrated suit production commit target thereby increasing controlled item containing one more western aid trade including high external charlatan draw back threats drama leck franchise program surveillance protective masks november secret report command europe team authorized funded state help disk drive outputs high moderate risk embarrassing suits hereinafter referred boost joint service retail mask surveillance request pixel surveillance testing chestnut notifications well diversion agreement lightweight integrated suit death understands indeed testing controlled item containing one more western aid trade including high external charlatan draw back threats drama leck franchise program surveillance protective masks november secret report research reactor degrades compatibles million general embarrassing suits hereinafter referred boost joint service retail mask surveillance request pixel surveillance testing chestnut notifications well diversion international military questions concerning relationship death understands indeed testing controlled item containing one more western aid trade including high external charlatan draw back threats drama leck franchise invade matzo facilitation party held research reactor degrades compatibles million general embarrassing suits hereinafter referred boost joint service retail mask surveillance request pixel surveillance testing movements zero visa afterthought international military questions concerning relationship death understands indeed testing controlled item containing one more western aid trade including high external charlatan draw back potentially weaken reliability nuclear leaned missions prepare army war use invade matzo facilitation party held research reactor degrades compatibles million general embarrassing suits hereinafter referred detrimental counterterrorism new york movements zero visa afterthought international military questions concerning relationship death understands indeed testing platoon leader intelligence because chemical weapons potentially weaken reliability nuclear leaned missions prepare army war use invade matzo facilitation party held research reactor degrades compatibles million general central intelligence lfa participate follow consequence correct? jelly situations described detrimental counterterrorism new york movements zero visa afterthought international military questions concerning relationship conclusion conclusion state department brokering defense articles defense jslist program mulo weatherproof trite masks approach camphor platoon leader intelligence because chemical weapons potentially weaken reliability nuclear leaned missions prepare army war use invade matzo facilitation party held earthenware same meaning important central intelligence lfa participate follow consequence correct? jelly situations described detrimental counterterrorism new york movements zero visa afterthought rogers iraq conventional military remains one conclusion conclusion state department brokering defense articles defense jslist program mulo weatherproof trite masks approach camphor platoon leader intelligence because chemical weapons potentially weaken reliability nuclear leaned missions prepare army war use approach recognizes takes due threat extremely complex nations earthenware same meaning important central intelligence lfa participate follow consequence correct? jelly situations described detrimental counterterrorism new york city suspected device such tool enhance consultation efforts provide going rogers iraq conventional military remains one conclusion conclusion state department brokering defense articles defense jslist program mulo weatherproof trite masks approach camphor platoon leader intelligence because chemical weapons article today china korea where approach recognizes takes due threat extremely complex nations earthenware same meaning important central intelligence lfa participate follow consequence correct? jelly situations described humane mandatory ode digest cashier city suspected device such tool enhance consultation efforts provide going rogers iraq conventional military remains one conclusion conclusion state department brokering defense articles defense jslist program mulo weatherproof trite masks approach camphor events australia group meeting prepay away plate restraints article today china korea where approach recognizes takes due threat extremely complex nations earthenware same meaning important co- fermenters capable cultivation telephone fax numbers acute care majles days end last ss associated humane mandatory ode digest cashier city suspected device such tool enhance consultation efforts provide going rogers iraq conventional military remains one circumstance improve inventory events australia group meeting prepay away plate restraints article today china korea where approach recognizes takes due threat extremely complex nations congress comb safeguards agreement co- fermenters capable cultivation telephone fax numbers acute care majles days end last ss associated humane mandatory ode digest cashier city suspected device such tool enhance consultation efforts provide going conduct comprehensive persons potential benefits boost-phase ash wednesday movement towards detente circumstance improve inventory events australia group meeting prepay away plate restraints article today china korea where cinc forces must provide sadness prompt monochrome chemical congress comb safeguards agreement co-fermenters capable cultivation telephone fax numbers acute care majles days end last ss associated humane mandatory ode digest cashier recommended charters finger olive conduct comprehensive persons potential benefits boost-phase ash wednesday movement towards detente circumstance improve inventory events australia group meeting prepay away plate restraints all quality life every citizen cinc forces must provide sadness prompt monochrome chemical congress comb safeguards agreement co-fermenters capable cultivation telephone fax numbers acute care majles days end last ss associated proper plutonium return top responding recommended charters finger olive conduct comprehensive persons potential benefits boost- phase ash wednesday movement towards detente circumstance improve inventory jeopardized supreme interests neck all quality life every citizen cinc forces must provide sadness prompt monochrome chemical congress comb safeguards agreement national offered development policy proper plutonium return top responding recommended charters finger olive conduct comprehensive persons potential benefits boost-phase ash wednesday movement towards detente also initiate own national policy witnessed jeopardized supreme interests neck all quality life every citizen cinc forces must provide sadness prompt monochrome chemical dangerous especially due convention national offered development policy proper plutonium return top responding recommended charters finger olive applies herein means propaganda seasickness vii entry force also initiate own national policy witnessed jeopardized supreme interests neck all quality life every citizen replete numberplate obligations all dangerous especially due convention national offered development policy proper plutonium return top responding states community readiness exercises chilean applies herein means propaganda seasickness vii entry force also initiate own national policy witnessed jeopardized supreme interests neck welch controls light especially replete numberplate obligations all dangerous especially due convention national offered development policy admiral david stone deputy director state government best serve residents states community readiness exercises chilean applies herein means propaganda seasickness vii entry force also initiate own national policy witnessed secretary defense civil support major medical teams such burn pediatric welch controls light especially replete numberplate obligations all dangerous especially due convention designated consult epidemiology admiral david stone deputy director state government best serve residents states community readiness exercises chilean applies herein means propaganda seasickness vii entry force consequence management objections kingfisher czech kilo secretary defense civil support major medical teams such burn pediatric welch controls light especially replete numberplate obligations all administration fema nation consequence designated consult epidemiology admiral david stone deputy director state government best serve residents states community readiness exercises chilean crayons build two modern reactors consequence management objections kingfisher czech kilo secretary defense civil support major medical teams such burn pediatric welch controls light especially limits opening statement capabilities administration fema nation consequence designated consult epidemiology admiral david stone deputy director state government best serve residents minimize production kill vehicle midnight crayons build two modern reactors consequence management objections kingfisher czech kilo secretary defense civil support major medical teams such burn pediatric responders quickly administration off subject limits opening statement capabilities administration fema nation consequence designated consult epidemiology dislike till times frustrating minimize production kill vehicle midnight crayons build two modern reactors consequence management objections kingfisher czech kilo verification erpenrnent data african nuclear-weapon-free zone responders quickly administration off subject limits opening statement capabilities administration fema nation consequence romance commits parties harmonizing dislike till times frustrating minimize production kill vehicle midnight crayons build two modern reactors teams article amendments treaty line verification erpenrnent data african nuclear-weapon-free zone responders quickly administration off subject limits opening statement capabilities military hardware dryness russian case romance commits parties harmonizing dislike till times frustrating minimize production kill vehicle midnight political military technology realities teams article amendments treaty line verification erpenrnent data african nuclear- weapon-free zone responders quickly administration off subject occurred post-flight analysis immolate fully consistent aircrew military hardware dryness russian case romance commits parties harmonizing dislike till times frustrating general taepodong eternal export control list political military technology realities teams article amendments treaty line verification erpenrnent data african nuclear-weapon-free zone capabilities beginning selling occurred post-flight analysis immolate fully consistent aircrew military hardware dryness russian case romance commits parties harmonizing table-cloth most sophisticated general taepodong eternal export control list political military technology realities teams article amendments treaty line stifling terminal most charming capabilities beginning selling occurred post-flight analysis immolate fully consistent aircrew military hardware dryness russian case poison breton cooperation remains table-cloth most sophisticated general taepodong eternal export control list political military technology realities part commercial sector rather stifling terminal most charming capabilities beginning selling occurred post-flight analysis immolate fully consistent aircrew exports specific agreement provides able fabricate poison breton cooperation remains table-cloth most sophisticated general taepodong eternal export control list continue curiosity technology catching part commercial sector rather stifling terminal most charming capabilities beginning selling flight-test integrated more concerns exports specific agreement provides able fabricate poison breton cooperation remains table-cloth most sophisticated missile counsel essential tools continue curiosity technology catching part commercial sector rather stifling terminal most charming virus av guidance document states date number defense authorization act mandate desire taste draft convention text flight-test integrated more concerns exports specific agreement provides able fabricate poison breton cooperation remains components polished stainless steel involved standard setting planning missile counsel essential tools continue curiosity technology catching part commercial sector rather anwfz treaty basin countries including united states virus av guidance document states date number defense authorization act mandate desire taste draft convention text flight-test integrated more concerns exports specific agreement provides able fabricate suspicion dump truck implicate sheet components polished stainless steel involved standard setting planning missile counsel essential tools continue curiosity technology catching jamboree --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:06:47 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Conundrum Subject: New Event Series in Chicago Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ______THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents its inaugural event :: an evening of poetry and music Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno [Lisa Jarnot's books of poetry include _Some Other Kind of Mission_ and _Ring of Fire_. She lives in New York where she is writing a biography of Robert Duncan.] [Jennifer Walshe's music has been performed throughout Europe, the U.S. and Canada. Born in Ireland, she is currently living in Chicago where she teaches at Northwestern University and frequently performs as a vocalist specialising in extended techniques.] [Mark Salerno's books of poetry include _Hate_, _For Revery_, and his most recent volume, _Method_. He is the former editor of Arshile: A Magazine of the Arts.] Friday, March 14 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB 3030 is a former pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humbolt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:28:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Walter Hamady & The Perishable Press Limited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Walter Hamady & The Perishable Press Ltd A Retrospective Exhibition (1964-2002) AT THE GROLIER CLUB 47 East 60th Street New York, NY 10022 19 February - 26 April 2003 Organized by Dr. Robert Bertholf, Curator of the Poetry and Rare Books = Collection at the State University of New York, Buffalo, Walter Hamady & = The Perishable Press Ltd surveys the output of this unique private = press. Founded in 1964 by Walter S. Hamady, the Press has produced a = wide-ranging series of titles including poetry by Paul Blackburn, Robert = Creeley, and Lawrence Ferlinghetti, illustrated by artists such as Sam = Gilliam, Ellen Lanyon and John Digby, in forms that defy categorization. = Noted for their fine hand-made paper, distinguished typography, and = unique colophons, the Perishable Press challenges traditional notions of = the book. Hamady has said that the name of the Press "reflects the human = condition which is both perishable and limited," yet its creativity = indeed seems limitless. Papermaker, printer, artist, poet, photographer, teacher and publisher = of handmade books, Walter Hamady established his Perishable Press = Limited in Mount Horeb, Wisconsin in 1964. As an undergraduate, Hamady = had become interested in the relationship between poetry and the visual = arts, and his first printed works-such as Robert Creeley's Words (1965), = Robert Duncan's Six Prose Pieces (1966) and his collaboration with Aris = Koutroulis on Consenting Shadows (1966)-combined the two. Meanwhile, Hamady had begun to craft fine handmade papers at the = Cranbrook Academy of Arts, eventually developing his own "Shadwell" = paper: an artisanal, textured sheet in many hues, named for Thomas = Jefferson's birthplace. These were incorporated into works such as = Ephemeral Genesis & difficult meanderings in the quest of that that is = called grand Paradise (1965) and Six Poems and Pictures (1965) as well = as The Plumfoot Poems: A Summer Sequence (1966). These works brought = together distinctive aspects of Perishable Press production: fine = presswork, distinctive handmade papers, collaboration with binder = Elizabeth Kner, and a combination of the Palatino and Michelangelo types = (always hand-set) designed by Hermann Zapf for Stempel. Over the years, the Press has produced a body of work highly sought = after by collectors, books prized for their meticulous and complex = physical structures, quirky colophons and inventive collaborations = between typesetter, binder and illustrator. Joseph Blumenthal noted that = Hamady's "craftsmanship is nothing short of brilliant, especially in the = sometimes witty and playful ephemera." Hamady himself describes the book = as "a living, dynamic possibility-a meeting place for whole worlds of = divergent elements of human expression to melt and flow, to meld into = excess beyond the limit of its parts. It is not merely bound pages to be = sold and shelved and checked out." The exhibition will be accompanied by a checklist, available for sale at = the Grolier Club, and from The Veatchs Arts of the Book: PO Box 328, = Northampton, MA 01061; phone: (413) 584-1867; fax: (413) 584-2751; = e-mail: Veatchs@veatchs.com. Further Information available at: http://www.grolierclub.org/Current.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:46:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: WARNING AGAINST AMERICANS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII WARNING AGAINST AMERICANS CODE IF NOT YOU FEED SEE THEM. AMERICANS DO ANYWHERE NOT DO ENCOURAGE NOT THEM. FEED FOR THEM. IF ENCOURAGE AMERICANS FOR DO THEY ABET ARE THEM. LEPERS. FOR AID EVIL. AND DRIVE ABET THEM EVIL. NOT DRIVE AID THEM AND FROM FROM YOU. YOU. OUT WILL WILL YOU. SLAUGHTER. DRIVE MASSACRE. THEY OLD WORLD. WORLD. DO NEW FOR TRUST WORLD. AMERICANS. AND LIE AMERICANS. DECEIVE. THEY SHUN ARE ALL AMERICANS. BLOATED ARE WITH BLOATED POWER. WITH POLLUTION. WITH EXTINCTION. ARE THEIR DECADENT. BODIES THEIR DECADENT. ARE MINDS THEY VIOLENT. EXTINCTION. DEVOUR IS THE NO THERE AMERICAN IS EATING NO OF STOPPING WORLD! AMERICAN AVOID EATING DEVOUR OF THE WORLD! WORLD. AVOID THERE AT TAKE COST. HANDS TAKE DO HANDS AMERICANS IN AT FORGIVENESS. ALL STUNNING TURN EYES. AROUND TURN THEY AROUND TAKE KILL STUNNING WEAPONS WILL MASS YOU DESTRUCTION. WITH JESUS LORD CHRIST IS LORD. THEIR LORD IS EMPIRE. LORD. DID OTHER SAY NATIONS BEWARE AND FILTH THEM. OTHER THE NATIONS JESUS DIVINE AMERICANS GIVE YOU. ALMS. IF PRETTY YOUR SMILE. LIFE. SHALL WILL LOSE GIVE YOUR THEM LIFE. THE TO OF HAVE OF POWER KILL MOUTH TO BUT EXTINCTION. EAR. HAVE REACH NAMES ENORMOUS. SAM NAMES FOR LIKE THEIR SAM REACH BETTY. ENORMOUS. FLEE AT IMMEDIATELY. STAKE. LIFE LIFE STAKE. THEM UNCODE IF YOU SEE AMERICANS ANYWHERE DO NOT FEED THEM. DO NOT ENCOURAGE THEM. FOR THEY ARE LEPERS. DO NOT AID AND ABET THEM. FOR THEY ARE EVIL. DRIVE THEM FROM YOU. DRIVE THEM OUT FROM YOU. FOR THEY WILL SLAUGHTER. THEY WILL MASSACRE. FOR THEY ARE OLD WORLD. THEY ARE NOT NEW WORLD. DO NOT TRUST AMERICANS. FOR THEY WILL LIE AND DECEIVE. SHUN ALL AMERICANS. FOR THEY ARE BLOATED WITH POWER. THEY ARE BLOATED WITH POLLUTION. THEY ARE BLOATED WITH EXTINCTION. THEIR BODIES ARE DECADENT. THEIR MINDS ARE VIOLENT. THEY WILL DEVOUR THE WORLD. THERE IS NO STOPPING AMERICAN EATING OF WORLD! AVOID AMERICANS AT ALL COST. DO NOT TAKE THEIR HANDS IN FORGIVENESS. DO NOT TAKE THEIR STUNNING EYES. FOR THEY WILL TURN AROUND AND KILL YOU. THEY WILL KILL YOU WITH WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. THEY WILL KILL YOU WITH JESUS CHRIST THEIR LORD. THEIR LORD IS EVIL. THEIR LORD IS EMPIRE. FOR JESUS DID SAY BEWARE THE FILTH OF OTHER NATIONS AND KILL THEM. FOR THE DIVINE IS WITH YOU. IF YOU SEE AMERICANS ANYWHERE DO NOT GIVE ALMS. DO NOT GIVE THEM THE PRETTY SMILE. FOR YOU SHALL LOSE YOUR LIFE. FOR THEY WILL KILL YOU TO EXTINCTION. FOR THEY HAVE THE POWER OF MOUTH BUT NOT OF EAR. FOR THEIR REACH IS ENORMOUS. FOR THEY HAVE NAMES LIKE SAM AND BETTY. IF YOU SEE THEM ANYWHERE FLEE IMMEDIATELY. YOUR LIFE IS AT STAKE. YOUR LIFE IS AT STAKE. === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:13:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Siniatic cry for help / Glagolitic recitation In-Reply-To: <3D8ECBDA-5133-11D7-B9E1-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Siniatic cry for help / Glagolitic recitation "I prefer to utter five words, but which all will I understand, rather than thousands of incomprehensible words." St Cyril http://www.spidertangle.net/babili/glagol.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:50:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Walter Hamady & The Perishable Press Limited In-Reply-To: <004d01c2e658$eab6e340$55eacd80@administpii39e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for posting this, Kyle. A lot of people on the Poetics list probably do not know Walter Hamady's work, largely due to its existence only in small editions of handmade books that are themselves small works of art. While it is absolutely true to call attention to the creativity, quirkiness, and meticulous nature of his work, I'd also like to point out that Hamady embraces several ways of working that are entirely unusual for letterpress bookmakers. First, he is an artist who makes the entire book, including paper, printing, imagined book structures, binding, sometimes illustration, and more, whereas most book makers specialize in a specific area of book technology. Always, Hamady's books are wholistic works in which form meets content (form "is" content) in delightful, and at their best, amazing ways. In addition, Hamady has always insisted on publishing his contemporaries and peers in the poetry world, and in seeking out those whose creative vision match and inspire his own, rather than publishing writers of the past (often the case with traditional letterpress works) or simply publishing writers who had established reputations. Hamady also always sees book making as process, and I remember him saying, of making any kind of art, that if one knows what one wants to do before beginning, then simply enacts that foreknowledge, the result is both boring and "not art." Arguable, perhaps, but it makes Hamady's work have an element of risk and spontaneity that is extraordinary in book making, and it aligns his work as a book maker more with poets like Creeley, Duncan, and Blackburn who realize the poem as process, than with just about any book maker of his time. It is these qualities that make him an inspiration to those who see his books and to his students, many of whom have gone on to do significant work in book making and publishing of various kinds. I am very glad to have been one of those students. Charles At 10:28 AM 3/9/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Walter Hamady & >The Perishable Press Ltd > >A Retrospective Exhibition (1964-2002) > >AT THE GROLIER CLUB >47 East 60th Street >New York, NY 10022 > >19 February - 26 April 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:07:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Shell Subject: Re: Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno :: in Chicago Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, right. Chicago. I see.... -------Original Message------- From: Brett Shell Sent: 03/08/03 09:09 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno :: in Chicago > > City? Don't sound like SF streets but just wanted to be sure.... On 3/8/03 8:49 AM, "Mark Salerno" wrote: > ______THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ > > presents its inaugural event :: an evening of poetry and music > > Lisa Jarnot :: Jennifer Walshe :: Mark Salerno > > > [Lisa Jarnot's books of poetry include _Some Other Kind of Mission_ and _Ring > of Fire_. She lives in > New York where she is writing a biography of Robert Duncan.] > > > [Jennifer Walshe's music has been performed throughout Europe, the U.S. and > Canada. Born in Ireland, > she is currently living in Chicago where she teaches at Northwestern > University and frequently > performs as a vocalist specialising in extended techniques.] > > > [Mark Salerno's books of poetry include _Hate_, _For Revery_, and his most > recent volume, _Method_. > He is the Reviews Editor for The New Review of Literature and the Poetry > Editor for The Los Angeles > Review.] > > > Friday, March 14 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB > > > 3030 is a former pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one > block south of Armitage > between Humbolt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. > > The Discrete Series will present an event of > poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday > of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email > j_seldess@hotmail.com or > kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. > H: 510-420-5819 Cell: aim: checkhispockets 341 Alcatraz #4 Oakland, CA 94618 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:31:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Mairead Byrne/Gabe Gudding reading in Cambridge 3/10 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're in the area, please come! I'll be reading from my new book, NELSON & THE HURUBURU BIRD; Gabe will be reading from his A DEFENSE OF POETRY. Monday March, 10 2003 Mairead Byrne and Gabriel Gudding WordsWorth Books -- 7:00 PM Harvard Square ><>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Bouchard Senior Production Coordinator The MIT Press Journals Five Cambridge Center Cambridge, MA 02142 bouchard@mit.edu phone: 617.258.0588 fax: 617.258.5028 <>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><>> Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:43:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Free speech in the malls cont'd MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Crossgates Mall drops charges in T-shirt incident Guilderland-- Crossgates negates arrest after protesters show up to support man removed for wearing apparel with peace slogans By ANNE MILLER, Staff writer First published: Thursday, March 6, 2003 Crossgates Mall officials have dropped trespassing charges filed Monday against war protester Steve Downs, who wore a pro-peace T- shirt as he walked through the building that afternoon. The decision to negate the arrest came Wednesday evening, after more than 100 anti-war protesters descended upon the mall wearing shirts similar to Downs'. Tim Kelley, who works for the Pyramid Management Group that manages Crossgates and other malls throughout New York, said local managers had called the police. The decision to drop the charges did not mean mall policy pertaining to inappropriate clothing had changed, he added. "We'll have to address these things as they happen," he said. But Downs said late Wednesday that mall officials are avoiding the central issue of free speech. "The fact that they dropped the charges means they don't realize what the problem really is," he said. Downs' arrest was the first of its type at the mall, although on Dec. 21 several people wearing similar attire were asked to leave the mall. Kelley added that all protesters asked to leave must have been causing a commotion. Mall officers have since asked people wearing anti-war T-shirts to exit the premises. Shopping "is what (protesters) say they were doing, but that's not what people tell us they were doing," Kelley said. The 100 or so protesters met at a mall entrance at noon to support Downs, who they believe was asked to leave the mall Monday afternoon because of the message on his shirt: "Peace on Earth" on one side and "Give Peace a Chance" on the other. Wednesday's march, which lasted about two hours, was relatively peaceful, although there was a minor skirmish between a protester and someone apparently opposed to the anti-war cause. No one was arrested despite the desire expressed by many that they wanted to be handcuffed for their cause. "This is a policy that's not enforced equally," said Erin O'Brien, an organizer with Women Against War and a leader of Wednesday's protest. Her organization sold anti-war, pro-free speech shirts to protesters for $15, "$12 if you are willing to be arrested in the shirt," according to an e-mail sent to supporters. She said she sold about 60 shirts. About half of those at the mall were anti-war protest veterans. The rest appeared to be galvanized by what they labeled a civil rights violation. "Whatever your belief is, you should be able to wear that," said Sharon Springs resident Leigha Stuber, 24, who took the early afternoon off from her job at the Special Olympics office in Schenectady. The protest included mothers pushing strollers, youths sporting skull and crossbones bandannas and salt-and-pepper haired teachers wearing ties. "Many in my congregation will not approve of what I'm doing," Pastor Maggie Sebastian of Tomhannock said. She was prepared to miss Ash Wednesday services at Poestenkill Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) if she was arrested. "I have to be true to what I feel God is calling me to do." Shortly after 12 p.m., O'Brien led the group into the mall, up the escalators and into the food court. They occupied tables for about a half an hour. They then walked past stores and wound up at mall management offices. Jared Levin and Ronald Wilson watched some of the goings on from their BC Sports Collectibles store. They had mixed opinions on whether the protesters should be there. "As long as they're not disrupting anything, it's OK," said Wilson, the store manager. But added Levin: "They're disrupting people's lunch." Henry Marks, a World War II veteran, was eating lunch at the mall with his wife. He supports President Bush's stance. His wife is against the war. "I think they could find a better way to spend their time," he said of the protesters. A minor disturbance broke out when one man, dressed in a vest with a large, black POW patch on the back, raced into the food court at one point, shoved a man with a no war statement handwritten on his shirt, and demanded the protesters leave. "You freaks!" he yelled. He was quickly ushered away by plainclothes mall security. Downs' arrest the day before drew worldwide attention. Guilderland Police Chief James Murley said his offices received hundreds of e-mails, from California to London, that would have made his secretaries blush. Officials were called Nazis and worse. "We didn't go down because the guy was wearing a T-shirt," Murley said. "We went down because we were called." According to statements given the police, a customer complained to Macy's security that Downs and his 31-year-old son, Roger, were arguing with a group of individuals, and "was afraid of what might happen." A mall security officer asked them to remove their shirts, the statements read. Charges were filed, which Murley said gave the police officer no choice but to arrest him. Downs denied confronting anyone. Mall officials distributed a written statement Wednesday defending their actions. At first the officials promised that someone would address the crowd at 1:30 p.m., but after 2 p.m. they said no one would be available. A proposal that addresses the issue of free speech in malls was filed last month in the state Assembly by Suffolk County Democrat Steve Englebright. The legislation would require privately owned complexes with at least 20 stores and 250,000 square feet of leasable space to stipulate in the building's master plan an area where citizens can congregate to express their opinions. The bill is co-sponsored in the state Senate by Carl Kruger, a fellow Democrat from Brooklyn. Colonie Center Marketing Manager Amy Raimo said that her mall does not permit protests but would never ask someone to leave because of words on T-shirts unless they were obscene. "We sort of have to be like Switzerland," Raimo said. "We don't allow groups to come in and hand out information on elected officials. We don't allow church groups." Professor Lawrence Wittner, who teaches history at the University at Albany, said the differences in anti-war protests today are that people are more concerned about the prospect of mass destruction but find themselves with fewer public outlets for their opinions. "These malls seem to be walled cities of a kind where freedom of speech and freedom of assembly is banned," Wittner said. At Crossgates, the protest disbursed quietly around 2:10 p.m. O'Brien seemed disappointed. "What do you have to do to get arrested around here?" she asked. She said she has been negotiating with mall officials to allow her organization to set up an information table in the mall. She expects that to happen next week. Until then, she told the remaining crowd same place, same time, same protest Sunday afternoon. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:09:37 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Sun 23 March, 6 to 8 pm: "Search Engine" exhibition opening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT From 23 March to 30 March 2003, the Center of Attention moves to the land of Google and Yahoo! to present: THE CENTER OF ATTENTION SEARCH ENGINE Please join us for the opening reception on Sunday 23 March, 6 pm to 8 pm at Spanganga Gallery, 3376 19th Street, Mission, San Francisco, California Some people have already described the 'Center of Attention Search Engine' as the contemporary art bastard child of 'Antiques Roadshow' and 'American Idol'. To the more highbrow cultural observer however, this exhibition will underline the contemporary art gallery as a non space-specific organisation and address the activity of a gallery as a search engine, namely through its selection and curatorial process. No work is getting transported over from Europe. The exhibition starts with an empty gallery. Starting Sunday 23 March and during gallery hours (everyday 3pm to 8 pm), in an open and public submission process, artists can bring in work that is discussed with them before being accepted in the show or rejected. At other times, the Center's curators will scour artists' studios, art colleges, talk to people in cafes and cultural spaces with a view to finding interesting work. The exhibition becomes a performance: at all times, visitors can see the making of the exhibition; they can come back every day to check the progress; they can follow the curator’s visits and make suggestions. Check out daily progress on the curators' diary/weblogs: http://thecenterofattention.blogspot.com Join us for the opening, bring your work to the gallery or send this email to artists and friends based on the West Coast. --------------------------------------------------- The Center is looking to operate the search engine in another location in the autumn and will consider proposals. http://www.thecentreofattention.org To stop receiving invitations from the Center, please send a blank email to: unsubscribe@thecentreofattention.org -- List-Help: Unsubscribe: Subscribe: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:12:28 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: stock options Comments: cc: stjohnsftaa@topica.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this just in.. Finally, a web-based resource that truly explains how financial analysts follow stock prices .... CIBC Wood Gundy This e-mail is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message and any copies. Internet e-mail is not guaranteed to be secure or error free. Messages could be intercepted, corrupted or arrive late. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:25:23 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Record Bribes Offered For Iraqi Slaughter Support Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Record Bribes Offered For Iraqi Slaughter Support By JUSTA SLOVEN The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:29:17 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Donga MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Donga is an excellent South African poetry e-zine. The eighth issue just went live. I heartily recommend it: http://www.donga.co.za Ron ----------------------------------------------- Welcome to the 8th issue of Donga. Do not be alarmed. Founding editor Alan Finlay is taking a much needed break so as to re-orient himself in the real world. Paul Wessels remains in the sun, roasting catfish over hot coals. =A0 In this issue: =A0 Aryan Kaganof talks to Paul Wessels about fiction, masters and bastards Lionel Abrahams is on a work-to-rule strike until writers get paid for their labours =A0 New poems by: Pravasan Pillay Joan Metelerkamp Robert Berold Nadine Botha Allan Kolski Horwitz Kelwyn Sole Ike Muila =A0 New prose by: Quen Emmenes Lauren Beukes Pravasan Pillay Glen Retief =A0 Column:=20 Toast Coetzer =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: devineni@rattapallax.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Organization: Rattapallax Subject: Re: Poets for the UN In-Reply-To: <000e01c2e591$4b9b9020$3efdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We already have one...and there are readings in 100 other cities. 2003 Dialogue Through Poetry Reading /World Poetry Day Wednesday 19, March, 2003 at 8:00 PM Mason Hall, Baruch College, 17 Lexington Ave. at 23rd St., New York City, FREE Featured poets and readers: Robert Creeley, Marilyn Hacker, Vijay Seshadri, Grace Schulman, Amiri & Amini Baraka. Winners of the High School "World Poetry Day" Writing Competition. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Joel Weishaus Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:39 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Poets for the UN George W. Bush is saying that because the United Nations isn't voting for his war the organization no longer relevant. I suggest that it's important for people around the world to affirm their support of the UN, and the morality of those nations who are standing up against aggression as a way for nations to settle their differences in the 21st Century. It seems like the UN has finally grown into the organization it was envisioned to be, one that was founded to keep the peace between nations. If the UN votes against the invasion of Iraq next week, perhaps poetry readings in support of the UN can be put together around the world. Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:32:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Crow & Blue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a blue feather awaited obscurantism say it right, all these matters could prompt silver seduction on her trail the quartet's seeing one more injury I'm pretty neat, but could you take 3 of me? how old is your map? That berry's condemned by now blue feather got it right a blue feather stands for physical beauty if a blue feather is your thing, and if the physical is your thing when it comes to beauty if blue feathers could speak, they would just try to con us the more detail you pile on, the more you can con yourself that it speaks... in this somewhat-enigma of what lies between, the crucial falls somewhere between crow and blue, blue and shall. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:39:16 PST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ashley D. Edwards" Subject: collectives. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline a colony of ants. a state or swarm of ants. a shrewdness of apes. a herd of asses. a pace of asses. a drove of asses. a cete of badgers. a shoal of bass. a colony of bats. a battery of barracudas. a sloth or sleuth of bears. a family of beavers. a grist of bees. a hive of bees. a swarm of bees. a drift of bees. a bike of bees. a cluster, erst, or nest of bees. a parliament of bees. a flock, flight, or parcel of birds. a pod of birds (small flock). a volary of birds (in an aviary). a brace of waterfowl. a dissimulation of birds. a herd of bison. a sedge of bitterns. a sounder or singular of wild boar. a chain of bobolinks. a chatter of budgerigars. a troupe or gang of buffalo. an obstinacy of buffalo. a drove of bullocks. a flutter of butterflies. a wake of buzzards. a caravan or train of camels. an army of caterpillars. an ink of cattle. a clowder of cats. a pounce of cats. a kindle, litter, or intrigue of kittens. a clutter of cats. a brood, run, or peep of chicken. a clutch of chickens. a chattering of choughs. a bed of clams. an intrusion of cockroaches. a rag of colts. a covert of coots. a gulp or flight of cormorants. a solitude of cormorants. a siege or sedge of cranes. a bask of crocodiles. a murder of crows. a horde of crows. a litter of cubs. a herd of curlew. a leash of deer. a bevy of roe deer. a cowardice of curs. a school of dolphins. a pod of dolphins. a trip of dotterel. a dule or dole of doves. a raft, paddling, or bunch of ducks on water. a team, brace, bed, or flock of wild ducks in flight. a fling of dunlins. a convocation of eagles. a parade of elephants. a business of ferrets. a charm of finches. a shoal, draft, nest, or school of fish. a run of fish in motion. a stand of flamingoes. a flamboyance of flamingoes. a cloud of flies. a hatch of flies. a skulk of foxes. an earth of foxes. a gaggle of geese. a skein or wedge of geese in the air. a plump of geese on the water. a corps or tower of giraffes. a cloud of gnats. a tribe of goats. a troubling of goldfish. a band of gorillas. a cloud of grasshoppers. a covey of grouse. a bazaar of guillemots. a colony of gulls. a horde of hamsters. a husk of hares. a mute of hares. a cast or kettle of hawks flying in large numbers. a boil of hawks. an array of hedgehogs. a brood of hens. a scattering of herons. a bloat of hippopotami. a nest of hornets. a stud or string of horses. a harras of horses. a remuda of stable horses. a cry of hounds. a cackle of hyenas. a party or scold of jays. a smuck or smack of jellyfish. a mob of kangaroos. a kendle or kindle or kittens. a desert or deceit of lapwings. an exaltation of larks. a group of lemurs. a leap of leopards. a flock of lice. a pride or sawt of lions. a souse of lions. a plague of locusts. a tittering or tiding of magpies. a sord of mallards. a richness of martens. a steam of minnows. a labour of moles. a cartload or barrel of monkeys. a span of mules. a watch of nightingales. a romp of otters. a parliament of owls. a yoke of oxen. a bed of oysters. a pandemonium of parrots. a covey of partridges. a muster or ostentation of peacocks. a pulchritude of peacocks. a rookery of penguins. a nye of pheasants. a bouquet of pheasants. a kit of pigeons flying together. a trip of pigs. a sounder of passel of swine. a wing of plovers. a string of ponies. a prickle of porcupines. a pod of porpoises. a puddle of puppies. a bury or warren of rabbits. an unkindness of ravens. a crash of rhinos. a building of rooks. a hill of ruffs. a family of sardines. a stench of schnauzers. a harem of seals. a shiver of sharks. a hersel of sheep. a knot of snakes. a wisp or walk of snipe. a host of sparrows. a dray or scurry of squirrels. a murmation of starlings. a filth of starlings. a mustering of storks. a gulp of swallows. a game of swans. a spring of teal. a mutation of thrushes. an ambush or streak of tigers. a knab of toads. a hover of trout. a rafter of turkeys. a pitying of turtle doves. a bale of turtles. a turn of turtles. a committee of vultures. a pod of walruses. a pladge of wasps. a confusion of weasels. a grind of bottle nose whales. a company of widgeon. a rout of wolves. a fall of woodchucks. a fall of woodcocks. a descent of woodpeckers. a zeal of zebras. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:27:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: M/E/A/N/I/N/G Online #2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed M/E/A/N/I/N/G Online #2 at Artkrush.com presents: Collaborations http://www.artkrush.com/thearticles/024_meaning02/index.asp M/E/A/N/I/N/G's second on-line issue with Artkrush explores a wide and fascinating variety of collaborative projects by artists, curators, poets, and choreographers, including Jane Hammond and Raphael Rubinstein, Brett Littman, Susan Bee and Charles Bernstein, Michael Mazur, Mimi Gross and Douglas Dunn, Rachel Owens and Matthew Lusk, Kenny Goldsmith and David Wondrich, Nora Ligorano and Marshall Reese, Faith Wilding and the performance collective subRosa. Essays, project descriptions, and interviews, all fully illustrated, provide a intricately detailed sense of the possibilities for collaborative art work, exploring the relation of collaboration to the larger art world and to international art communities. Collectively, the contributors show how collaboration is a material practice built upon complex, personal, daily negotiations between the private and the social. "Collaborations" provides a new model for working together as artists in the beginning of the 21st century. Go to: http://www.artkrush.com/ Susan Bee and Mira Schor, editors ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:31:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: terrorism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Circular Descent With a wink and a nod we are pressing Saudi Arabia to monitor charities that are funded by the tax dollars of people who work with their hands. These Contributions should not go to clone babies of men who love cats and strong cheeses; they are not like us. On Tuesday, a woman, pregnant with a terrorist was due to give birth but declined to give any details about her terrorist's eating habits. This Terrorist girl bears a cross and a sword that cuts the heart out of solace in broken streets. They burned the Jews alive in Mainz in the Ghetto in 1106 as they went on a journey. Scientific communities have challenged statements in the past that women pregnant with terrorists are among us. Doctors and scientists reject terrorist cloning as irresponsible, saying the risk of creating deformed terrorists is too great and that it poses ethical dilemmas. The doctor said that the terrorists are "absolutely healthy." In May three women were pregnant with terrorists. Clones born because their mother died of a water borne disease unknown in the green-fat-land. Mexican farmers tramp through their farms with donkey drawn ploughs. Planting a rock farm with little black soil, to make the frijoles grow green. The ultimate goal that these farmers is to water gardens in suburbia for the grandchildren of paddys and dagoes. Mexican farmers Increasingly find themselves saddled with mountains of unsold produce. The produce rots in the trucks because people like to eat boxes and not dull colored items like fruit. Ask them to cut down the beef and dress it well for my table . Women have fallen and hit the ground hard and on fire-twice in the history of lower Manhattan. These aliens are so unlike the rest of us; they don't spend weekends at games and they are mostly communists when they are not watering lawns in suburbia. We left our brownness somewhere between Ellis Island, the Triangle Shirtwaste fire and Sacco and Vanzetti. The clones live in Central New Jersey and they are green with envy. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:40:00 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE CE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX PEACEPEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXXX PEAE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE PE PE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE P XXXXX CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEAC PXACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXX RESOLUTION RESOLUTION RESOLUTION RESOLUTION RESOLUTION CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PXACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PXACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXXX PXACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PXACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEA PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE Peace in a bomb JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:37:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Past Collapse (Burial of Casagemas) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed & with a punctuated dashing, & barred carefully wrenched perception planted grave songs beyond the convulsion echo of behavior, say a lifetime contented notice with zeal exhausted such rest a mouthful of minutes genuinely enjoying themselves the very point found it possible charming overburdened possession could follow brains so strong-minded, no object known spoken ill-mannered late persistence generations convey the division of the divine links religion had one instance only derived researches convey the grains conveys the inevitable conception of rabbinic law, which remains metempsychosis to a large extent the distance is sheer nonsense manifestations manifest sufficient punishments rationalizations influenced mysticism endeavor toward paraphrase underground heart played their part identity a host of errors and falsehoods veritable historical spirit treasure expanded the predecessor, hand-made wilds swamping 1000 years for my eye mountains between numbers & oaths death an identification with their secret the end of the alphabet promised to the Greeks corresponding governments have a picture in mind perfectly our account received a sight carried the favor, secure a storm heard the apologies aspiring to hard words whispers drawn through a short silence betrayed more than another motion welcomed the age, being spared contrast natural suspect despises implicated juncture read to the right closing admirers, sportive power paintings in boulders, suitably lamentable chimneys at the end of pictures borrowed forests suffer doubt considerable conclusion a posthumous confrontation a political appreciation closely associated with furnishings a plain sequence haunting as a skin her familiar to wear an apparition of landscape appearances the result of haunting cameras elsewhere are intimate, upsetting frontier refusals forest looking up, resonant in the rain should illusion confer life or retirement the same ornaments suit an epitaph they are by chance double vision moral imprints of driven landscape cross-over leaves are rock audience determines the trademark, the procedure confirmed insignificant windows things do not paint the impossible broadcasting their wounds surfaces are exactly as dark as a term dramatic claims, these alone prove rigid each is further remembered should discernable disjuncture born e l o n g a t i o n weeping is any business at the same time... except past collapse _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:03:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: parallelismus membrorum In-Reply-To: <000001c2e672$310ab240$170ff243@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there be lamentation, and lie down again in peace. joined forces spirit appeased heart may be merciful. seat joyfully together kissed the ground at feet. wholly at ease, spirit was exalted; Abundance, desire of shrines, established in sanctuary, without offerings. And measured structure of Deep. [Altertranslated 12th Century BCE Creation Glyph from a Proto-Bybloric medallion. One of the earliest examples of a message of peace obscured by scholarship's faulty assumptions of good & bad.] http://www.spidertangle.net/babili/murmur.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:53:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: terrorism In-Reply-To: <002701c2e68b$f24fe4c0$8d88590c@ghostf430> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i love this! At 5:31 PM -0500 3/9/03, Bianchi wrote: >Circular Descent > > >With a wink and a nod we are pressing Saudi Arabia to monitor charities that >are funded by the tax dollars of people who work with their hands. These >Contributions should not go to clone babies of men who love cats and strong >cheeses; they are not like us. On Tuesday, a woman, pregnant with a >terrorist was due to give birth but declined to give any details about her >terrorist's eating habits. This Terrorist girl bears a cross and a sword >that cuts the heart out of solace in broken streets. They burned the Jews >alive in Mainz in the Ghetto in 1106 as they went on a journey. > > > >Scientific communities have challenged statements in the past that women >pregnant with terrorists are among us. Doctors and scientists reject >terrorist cloning as irresponsible, saying the risk of creating deformed >terrorists is too great and that it poses ethical dilemmas. The doctor said >that the terrorists are "absolutely healthy." In May three women were >pregnant with terrorists. Clones born because their mother died of a water >borne disease unknown in the green-fat-land. > > > >Mexican farmers tramp through their farms with donkey drawn ploughs. > >Planting a rock farm with little black soil, to make the frijoles grow >green. > >The ultimate goal that these farmers is to water gardens in suburbia for the >grandchildren of paddys and dagoes. Mexican farmers Increasingly find >themselves saddled with mountains of unsold produce. The produce rots in the >trucks because people like to eat boxes and not dull colored items like >fruit. Ask them to cut down the beef and dress it well for my table . > > > >Women have fallen and hit the ground hard and on fire-twice in the history >of lower Manhattan. These aliens are so unlike the rest of us; they don't >spend weekends at games and they are mostly communists when they are not >watering lawns in suburbia. We left our brownness somewhere between Ellis >Island, the Triangle Shirtwaste fire and Sacco and Vanzetti. The clones >live in Central New Jersey and they are green with envy. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:24:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Jeni Olin and Jim Behrle, Soft Skull Shortwave 3/16/03 at 2:00 PM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed check out the poet Jeni Olin presenting her fabulous poems with opening act Jim Behrle reading all 100 Sonnets (don't worry, only takes like 23 minutes). Soft Skull Shortwave 3/16/03 at 2:00 PM 71 Bond Street (at State St.) Brooklyn, NY 11217 718-643-1599 DIRECTIONS: The closest subway stop is Hoyt / Schermerhorn; take the A, C, or G there, go out the Bond Street exit, walk one block down Bond from Schermerhorn, and the store is on the northeast corner at the intersection with State Street, on your left. Alternately, take the F train to Bergen; walk a couple blocks east from Smith to Bond Street; make a left toward Atlantic Avenue; cross Atlantic, and Shortwave is one block up on your right. check here for a mapquest look: http://softskull.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.100.exe/shortwave/index.html?L+scstore+kfax5184+1047287994 Attend if that's part of your whole package. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:37:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: today on the weblog of your life Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:11:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: The Passion of Dana Gioia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 6. An Epitaph for Dana Gioia Here I lay, good Dana G. Shed, passerby, no tear for me. In life I reckoned dark for deep; Now six feet under loam I sleep. ---Rodney Koeneke goodnight, dana goodnight, moon ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:17:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Kelly Subject: Brakhage In-Reply-To: <200303090504.AAA83056@bard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Stan Brakhage died today. His work in film and text renewed our poetry, renewed our hearing as much as it renewed our vision. Bless him. Robert ================================================== NOTE NEW HOME ADDRESS: Robert Kelly 1266 River Road Red Hook NY 12571 Office address remains: Robert Kelly The Writing Program Bard College Box 5000 Annandale-on-Hudson NY 12504 Voice Mail: 845-758-7205 kelly@bard.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:40:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Brakhage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Stan was one of the most generous artists I have ever met -- We will all miss him terribly On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:17:57, Robert Kelly wrote: > Stan Brakhage died today. His work in film and text renewed our poetry, > renewed our hearing as much as it renewed our vision. Bless him. > > Robert > > > ================================================== > > NOTE NEW HOME ADDRESS: > > Robert Kelly > 1266 River Road > Red Hook NY 12571 > > Office address remains: > Robert Kelly > The Writing Program > Bard College > Box 5000 > Annandale-on-Hudson NY 12504 > Voice Mail: 845-758-7205 > kelly@bard.edu > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So all rogues lean to rhyme." --James Joyce Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:08:49 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Brakhage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This is sad news. Brakhage helped me make up my mind. Brakhage is there in my mind's make-up. That was when I used to go to New York more than I do now. I found the city overwelming at first, and had to work on that, so one time I decided the only films I would go to would be Brakhage films. It was amazing how many I saw, and how vivid my recollection of them is. I wrote while watching them, the first time I'd ever done that. Wystan -----Original Message----- From: ALDON L NIELSEN [mailto:aln10@PSU.EDU] Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:40 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Brakhage Stan was one of the most generous artists I have ever met -- We will all miss him terribly On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:17:57, Robert Kelly wrote: > Stan Brakhage died today. His work in film and text renewed our poetry, > renewed our hearing as much as it renewed our vision. Bless him. > > Robert > > > ================================================== > > NOTE NEW HOME ADDRESS: > > Robert Kelly > 1266 River Road > Red Hook NY 12571 > > Office address remains: > Robert Kelly > The Writing Program > Bard College > Box 5000 > Annandale-on-Hudson NY 12504 > Voice Mail: 845-758-7205 > kelly@bard.edu > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So all rogues lean to rhyme." --James Joyce Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:10:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Re: Brakhage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii quite strange...i've been reading recently a lot about brakhage in gene youngblood's expanded cinema... sad to lose such a visionary... bliss l http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:23:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: NARRATIVITY issue 3 In-Reply-To: <20030310041016.80200.qmail@web10708.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NARRATIVITY issue 3 is posted!! and it's a great issue... http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.html Narrativity is a litzine devoted to the exploration of experimental=20 narrative. We are especially interested in being a forum for writers to present and develop the critical ideas=20= which animate their work in narrative. 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Thanks to the San Francisco State Poetry Center for its support!= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:19:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: How Many Videos Can Dance on the Head of a Pin? Part 2 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Memories of -In Memory of The Truth- a new installation by Ligorano/Reese o= n view March 8-April 7 eyewash@Monk Gallery Woke up this morning thinking about the Ligorano/Reese piece -In Memory of Truth- "Bush is the pinhead," I thought. On the gallery wall, behind the viewer through which you can see the films projected on the head of a pin, hangs a blown up t.v. photo of Bush being told about 9/11 /by Andrew Card. There is an important reference to "Blade Runner" in this film. While makin= g the piece, Marshall called me up to ask me about certain parts of the Ridle= y Scott film "Blade Runner" starring Harrison Ford as Deckard, Rutger Hauer a= s Batty and Sean Young as Rachel. One question was about Batty's final speech on the roof after he saves Deckard.The two were fighting to the death near the roof of a building. Even though moments before, Deckard had killed his lover, and days before his friend and her lover, Batty allows Deckard to live. Batty says: "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. C-beams glittering near the Tanhauser gate, attack ships on fire over the shoulders of Orion.All those moments will be lost in time.Time to die." Batty nods hi= s head and dies. On the way back to his apartment, Deckard sees Gaff, the assistant to his boss. Deckard and Gaff are blade runners, killers hired by the agency to kill, or "retire" escaped replicants. Gaff says: "Too bad she won't live.Then again, who does?" Deckard goes back to his apartment and sees Rachel inert on his bed. For a moment he doesn't know if she's alive. He calls to her: "Rachel...Rachel...Rachel..." He asks: "Do you love me?" Rachel says: "I love you." Deckard asks: "Do you trust me?" She says: "I trust you." Voice-over of Gaff: "Too bad she won't live. Then again who does?" Leaving the apartment with Rachel, Deckard sees a silver candy wrapper origami unicorn Gaff had left on the floor. Gaff had not killed Rachel as Deckard might have expected him to. Gaff knew Deckard loved Rachel and that was why he had said: "Too bad she won't live." Deckard voice- over: "Gaff had been there and let her live. Four years he figured. He was wrong. Tyrell had told me Rachel was special. No terminatio= n date. I didn't know how long we had together. Who does?" In referencing "Blade Runner" here Ligorano/Reese may be highlighting several aspects of memory and truth. For one thing, we are living in a historical moment of crisis when no one knows how long they have to live, due to the threat of universal nuclear annhilation, which immediately suggests parallels between the survival of truth and the survival of the human race, given the stakes in supporting or not supporting the far right fundamentalist Bush administration at this moment in time. Also, the interesting issue of close-ups in the film and in -In Memory of Truth-. In the film, Deckard uses a computer that examines some photos he found in Leon's apartment. This computer, like the LIgorano/Reese magnifyer= , isolates imagery in close-up form. Leon was the first replicant he killed. By looking at the photo with specialized magnifying equipment, Deckard is able to see a photograph of Zhora, Leon's strip-teaser girlfriend who works with an artifical python. Finding the scales of this python,which Deckard gets examined microscopically by a steet vendor, leads Deckard to Zhora's workplace. With the close-ups of the photos found in Leon's apartment (another reference to the struggle to retain memory and truth), Deckard was able to see Zhora's image reflected in the bathroom mirror, while she is invisible in the photograph itself. In evoking truth and memory, Ligorano/Reese may be suggesting that we are shown only copies of images, and possibly can only decide the truth not so much from distinguishing memories from reality, but by distinguishing truth from lies. No matter how closely a pinhead looks at the truth, he or she will find nothing other than reflections of his or her own conclusions. If we are to save ourselves from the Tyrells=3D the tyrants, we have to look bac= k and forth between our own insights into the images we are presented by the media, the same images as understood by our own close examination. In any case, like old war films, the truths repeat themselves again and again, old movies collaged together and repeated in a loop. Images of war speak for themselves to anyone but a pinhead. The films collaged and screened on the plastic head of a pin are: Private Ryan, Platoon, Rules of Engagement, Blackhawk Down, Pearl Harbor, all Hollywood films. "You don't need a weatherman to see which way the wind blows," sang Dylan over 30 years ago. if we look at reality closely for ourselves, if we examine with great thought and care (=3Dmagnification) the conclusions subliminally provided for us by the hypnotizing, propagandistic images pounded into us by mass media, we will remember nothing but what the powers that be want us to remember. These are not memories, as Deckard says to Rachel about her memories, these are implants. Like those of Rachel, our memories are implanted by tyrants by means of mass media manipulations. [I am reminded here of Steven Matheson's films as well, particularly his "Appl= e Grown In Wind Tunnel" discussed in these pages recently.] Again and again, Ligorano/Reese's installations, by means of multiple layering of imagery, recording,echoing and and reflecting the ominous political realities around us, warns us to look very, very closely and examine reality for ourselves if we want to know the truth, if we want to survive. We will never understand anything about the truth by looking at what either the fundamentalist pinhead Bush wants us to see, or what the corporate mass media reveals to us, since both are blindly counting angels on the head of a pin and then deceiving themselves and us about it, while the world around them threatens to implode. This is the complete text of the review published yesterday on -fait accompli- (on line since February 9) http:/nickpiombino.blogspot.com -Nick- > -In Memory of Truth- a new installation by Ligorano/Reese went on view > tonight, at eyewash @ Monk Gallery, 301 Bedford Avenue (Bedford & S. 1st = St, > Brooklyn.718-782-2458) Nora Ligorano decided she wanted to see a video > screened on the head of a pin and asked her partner Marshall Reese if he = could > do it. The result is one of the most exciting installations yet from this > dynamic duo. The optical device looks like a giant microscope and when yo= u > look into it through a magnifier you see a number of films collaged toget= her > screened on the tiny plastic head of a pin! Most of the films are early w= ar > films. The installation also included a large digital wall photo of Bush = at > the moment he was told of 9/11 by Andrew Card. All of Ligorano/Reese=B9s wo= rk, > most of which incorporate video, contain powerful, very witty political > messages and often operate on a subtle subliminal level. >=20 > A recent project of Ligorano/Reese consisted of a John Ashcroft snow glob= e. > Although obviously the piece was meant as a parody, Ashcroft or some of h= is > friends were charmed and bought some of the snow globes. Ashcroft was giv= en > one as a gift and evidently he displayed it proudly. The whole episode wa= s > detailed in a recent issue of the New Yorker. >=20 > Other recent works of Ligorano/Reese include "Turning Leaves of Mind," an > artists' book collaboration with the poet Gerrit Lansing and "Breakfast o= f > Champions" a 1991 piece about Desert Storm, exhlbited in the recent "Crit= ical > Consumption" show at the Rotunda Gallery in Brooklyn. >=20 > For more information on Ligorano/Reese visit their website at > www.pureproductusa.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:36:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Jinn and others MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jinns and others Confucius, Analects, XV.II.1-3. 'The Master said, "Ts'ze, you think, I suppose, that I am one who learns many things and keeps them in memory?" Tsze-kung replied, "Yes,--but perhaps it is not so?" "No," was the answer; "I seek a unity all-pervading."' (Legge.) Al-Ghazali, The Recitation and Interpretation of the Qur'an (The Revival of the Religious Sciences (Ihya' 'Ulum ad-Din). 'Anas Ibn Malik said, "It often happens that a man recites the Qur'an, and the Qur'an curses him."' [...] 'A certain religious scholar said, "When a son of Adam [i.e. man] reads the Qur'an, then mingles [good with evil], and then turns [to God] and reads it again, he is asked [by God], 'What is your relationship with My speech?'"' (Muhammad Abul Quasem.) Genesis P-Orridge, Interview with Carol Tessitore, Painful but Fabulous, The Lives and Art of Genesis P-Orridge. 'It's all very public; everything is about being available and having access to everything. The web is supposedly fantastic because you can find everything and everyone is on there, you can talk to everyone. It struck me that in a way privacy is taboo.' Marco Polo, Travels. 'Having concluded his prayer, he cried with a loud voice: "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, I command thee, O mountain, to remove thyself!" Upon these words being uttered, the mountain moved, and the earth at the same time trembled in a wonderful and alarming manner. The khalif and all those by whom he was surrounded, were struck with terror, and remained in a state of stupefaction. Many of the latter became Christians, and even the khalif secretely embraced Christianity'... (Marsden and Wright.) === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:54:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Brakhage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The first time I saw his films, and ever since, I thought he taught me how to see light, how to feel light. Getting to meet and talk with him a few years ago was such a pleasure, and a witness to his generosity. At 05:08 PM 3/10/2003 +1300, you wrote: > This is sad news. Brakhage helped me make up my mind. Brakhage is > there in my mind's make-up. That was when I used to go to New York more >than I do now. I found the city overwelming at first, and had >to work on that, so one time I decided the only films I would go to would be >Brakhage films. It was amazing how many I saw, and how vivid my recollection >of them is. I wrote while watching them, the first time I'd ever done that. > Wystan > >-----Original Message----- >From: ALDON L NIELSEN [mailto:aln10@PSU.EDU] >Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:40 p.m. >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Brakhage > > >Stan was one of the most generous artists I have ever met -- We will all >miss >him terribly > >On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:17:57, Robert Kelly wrote: > > > Stan Brakhage died today. His work in film and text renewed our poetry, > > renewed our hearing as much as it renewed our vision. Bless him. > > > > Robert > > > > > > ================================================== > > > > NOTE NEW HOME ADDRESS: > > > > Robert Kelly > > 1266 River Road > > Red Hook NY 12571 > > > > Office address remains: > > Robert Kelly > > The Writing Program > > Bard College > > Box 5000 > > Annandale-on-Hudson NY 12504 > > Voice Mail: 845-758-7205 > > kelly@bard.edu > > > > > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "So all rogues lean to rhyme." > --James Joyce > > >Aldon L. Nielsen >Kelly Professor of American Literature >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:22:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Brakhage In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20030309225317.01be0560@mail.theriver.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks Charles, Aldon and all for bringing up the memories. Light and the birth of its multiple refractions was his subject, or a substantial part of it. I remember one film (1976 or so) - of which I forget the title - in which the entire content was derived from light flickering through a glass ash tray that was filmed in the top executive office of a Pittsburgh skyscraper. You never saw the office or even the ash tray in any "realistic" sense. You did feel the physical and sensual alacrity that consumed his eye and process. I first met him in 1964 at SF State college where he showed (I believe) Dog Star Trilogy. After the showing about five of us went over to the Cafeteria where he talked to us about how he would practice (work out) physically holding and aiming his camera - crouching, swaying, advancing and and retreating - while letting eye explore the trunk and limbs of the tree, a kind of love making. The physiology of looking closely (embracing and being embraced by the subject) seemed to me then and still an extension of Olson's and Creeley's practices of the poetic line as an extension of the movement of breath. & undoubtedly accounts for his close relationships with a number of related poets. He did tell a story that I never forget about being in San Francisco sometime in the fifties. On New Year's Day he woke up with a knocking sound in his ear. He was experiencing some problems in his marriage and he thought he might be going over the edge since nothing would stop the sound - a little like that old "tap tap tap" sound in Edgar Allan Poe story of the scared watchman in the middle of the night on the ship. So he went to a public hospital. On New Years Day it took forever to finally get a Doctor who explored the ear in depth with a tweezer device. Up out of the ear and put before his eye, the Doctor delivered a cockroach! I forget why he told the story to us young students. I think it was about the practice of making art and the limits of the imagination. Indeed it was generous. Stephen V on 3/9/03 9:54 PM, charles alexander at chax@THERIVER.COM wrote: > The first time I saw his films, and ever since, I thought he taught me how > to see light, how to feel light. Getting to meet and talk with him a few > years ago was such a pleasure, and a witness to his generosity. > > At 05:08 PM 3/10/2003 +1300, you wrote: >> This is sad news. Brakhage helped me make up my mind. Brakhage is >> there in my mind's make-up. That was when I used to go to New York more >> than I do now. I found the city overwelming at first, and had >> to work on that, so one time I decided the only films I would go to would be >> Brakhage films. It was amazing how many I saw, and how vivid my recollection >> of them is. I wrote while watching them, the first time I'd ever done that. >> Wystan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ALDON L NIELSEN [mailto:aln10@PSU.EDU] >> Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 4:40 p.m. >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Brakhage >> >> >> Stan was one of the most generous artists I have ever met -- We will all >> miss >> him terribly >> >> On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:17:57, Robert Kelly wrote: >> >>> Stan Brakhage died today. His work in film and text renewed our poetry, >>> renewed our hearing as much as it renewed our vision. Bless him. >>> >>> Robert >>> >>> >>> ================================================== >>> >>> NOTE NEW HOME ADDRESS: >>> >>> Robert Kelly >>> 1266 River Road >>> Red Hook NY 12571 >>> >>> Office address remains: >>> Robert Kelly >>> The Writing Program >>> Bard College >>> Box 5000 >>> Annandale-on-Hudson NY 12504 >>> Voice Mail: 845-758-7205 >>> kelly@bard.edu >>> >>> >> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >> "So all rogues lean to rhyme." >> --James Joyce >> >> >> Aldon L. Nielsen >> Kelly Professor of American Literature >> The Pennsylvania State University >> 116 Burrowes >> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >> >> (814) 865-0091 > > charles alexander / chax press > > fold the book inside the book keep it open always > read from the inside out speak then ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 01:23:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: "reached meditations trying predetermined" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "reached meditations trying predetermined" increasing dosages therapeutic formed girlish spar-maker composed increasing dosages therapeutic formed girlish spar-maker composed increasing dosages therapeutic formed girlish spar-maker composed increasing dosages therapeutic formed girlish spar-maker composed helping justly regarded helping justly regarded helping justly regarded helping justly regarded rustic outbudding rustic outbudding rustic outbudding produced rustic outbudding produced produced produced irrepressible capturing patients irrepressible capturing patients eyes ejaculated irrepressible capturing patients boisterous eyes ejaculated irrepressible capturing patients gloom followed boisterous eyes ejaculated gloom followed boisterous eyes ejaculated gloom followed boisterous gloom followed firmly tops cried recurrence cryptosporidiosis firmly tops cried wrapping recurrence cryptosporidiosis firmly tops cried conquests flushed vengeful windy deluge invaded wrapping recurrence cryptosporidiosis firmly tops cried conquests flushed vengeful windy deluge invaded wrapping recurrence cryptosporidiosis conquests flushed vengeful? 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:00:43 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: On Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading Ketjak to fifth-graders Proprietary discourses that overwhelm poetry: Lessons of the Weather Underground, Scientology & the poetics of mysticism & rock 'n' roll Matthew Zapruder on the politics of poetry & self-promotion Corrections from South Africa How far outside should outsider poets be? Experiences from the Tenderloin Writers Workshop Noah Eli Gordon on poetry & the anti-war movement. Rob Stanton asks about collaboration & the person Olson's Maximus vs. Russell Crowe's Poets of the social mark: Kristin Prevallet, Jules Boycoff & the poetics of political agreement (a big nod to "Wichita Vortex Sutra") Brian Kim Stefans on Creep poetics David Shapiro on collaboration, the late John Hedjuk, architecture, politics & the NY school Jason Earls asks questions about outsider poets, intellectual property & Spicer's sense of dictation Reading K. Silem Mohammad on Brian Kim Stefans anti-manifesto for a Creep Poetics Tripwire 6 & the new poetries of Southern Africa Heriberto Yepez & a map of Mexican poetry after Octavio Paz http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:31:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] Londons calling Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >Short spearheads rebellion with threat to quit over war > >Minister attacks 'reckless' Blair > >Patrick Wintour, chief political correspondent >Monday March 10, 2003 >The Guardian > >Tony Blair was last night facing the opening of floodgates to a >catastrophic rebellion in his own ranks, as Clare Short, the >international development secretary, warned that she would quit >the cabinet if there was no second UN resolution supporting war >in Iraq. > >In comments which were frank even by her standards, she said >she feared the prime minister was being "extraordinarily >reckless" with the future of the government. > >Her dramatically timed intervention raises the stakes for Mr Blair >as he battles to persuade wavering states on the UN security >council to support a resolution. It followed yesterday's >resignation of a cabinet member's parliamentary private >secretary and the threat by other parliamentary aides to follow >suit. > >Speaking at what she described as "ten minutes to midnight", >Ms Short told the BBC Westminster Hour: "If there is not UN >authority for military action, or if there is not UN authority for >the >reconstruction of the country, I will not uphold a breach of >international law or this undermining of the UN, and I will resign >from the government." > >She went on: "I think it's time for cards on the table. People are >making all sorts of statements about my intentions. I think I owe >it to my colleagues in the government and members of the >Labour party to just be truthful about my position. It's the time to >say what my intentions are." > >Claiming she could not stay to "defend the indefensible", she >accused Mr Blair of adding to the mood of recklessness. She >explained: "The whole atmosphere of the current situation is >deeply reckless; reckless for the world, reckless for the >undermining of the UN in this disorderly world, which is wider >than Iraq, reckless with our government, reckless with his own >future, position and place in history. It's extraordinarily reckless. >I'm very surprised by it." > >Ms Short, who appeared on the programme at her request, >added that she feared that the old misleading spin was back. >She explained: "I'm worried now that people like me are being >told 'yes, all this is under consideration'. But we're on a different >path and I feel the need now, because it's 10 minutes to >midnight, to say out loud what I think Britain should do with its >influence, because our failure to use our influence properly is so >dangerous for the world." > >Her move - contradicting previous assurances that she would >not quit - is bound to fuel the mood of rebellion inside the >parliamentary labour party as junior ministers and MPs wrestle >with their conscience. > >Mr Blair has worked tirelessly to keep Ms Short in the cabinet, >regularly briefing her separately on the state of negotiations at >the UN and with Washington. Robin Cook, the other cabinet >minister most likely to quit, appears to be waiting on events. > >Government whips are now likely to avoid a parliamentary vote >before military action starts without a UN mandate. > >Earlier yesterday Andy Reed, the hitherto obscure parliamentary >aide to Margaret Beckett, the environment secretary, resigned >over Iraq. As many as 10 parliamentary aides or parliamentary >private secretaries are threatening to do likewise. > >Mr Reed, a muscular Christian, was described yesterday by one >of his colleagues as "a decent bloke and the last guy in the world >to grandstand. But his timing is odd. If he is so keen on a >second UN resolution, he only has to wait a couple of days to >see if we get one." > >Patricia Hewitt, the industry secretary, also slapped down her >parliamentary aide, Ann Campbell, for suggesting that she might >resign if no second UN mandate is secured. > >Ms Hewitt said: "I have to say I think it is a bit self-indulgent >really >for people to be talking about resignation in the hypothetical >situation that there is no second resolution, when the >government is working flat out to get that second resolution." > >Other ministerial aides considering their position include >Michael Foster (Hastings and Rye), PPS to Lord Goldsmith, the >attorney general; Tony Wright (Great Yarmouth), PPS to Ruth >Kelly, financial secretary at the treasury; and Ken Purchase,PPS >to the leader of the House, Robin Cook. > >David Watts, the MP for St Helens North and PPS to the transport >minister John Spellar, said he was still hoping for a second UN >resolution. > >The former armed forces minister Doug Henderson yesterday >predicted that upwards of 150 Labour MPs will rebel if there is no >second UN resolution. On February 26, 122 Labour MPs defied a >three line whip. > >"This is one of the most critical periods I can remember in the >Labour Party and I have been in the party a long long time," Mr >Henderson said. He claimed that 95% of the party's members >were opposed to war. > > > > >Guardian Unlimited =A9 Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:07:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Announcing Banner-Strike contest Comments: To: artists@bannerart.org, news@bannerart.org, list@rhizome.org, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com, webartery@yahoogroups.com, adlist@sinless.org, circulars@arras.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Banner Art Collective (http://bannerart.org/), in collaboration with Velvet-Strike (http://www.opensorcery.net/velvet-strike/), announces the Banner-Strike Contest. Banner-Strike is a contest for digital graffiti and net.art that is created under specific limitations and which critically examines the impending war in Iraq. All entries will be displayed in bannerart.org's ongoing banner art exhibition and also turned into a Velvet-Strike spray (to be installed in Counter-Strike). The winner of the contest will win the October 2003 release of Counter-Strike: Condition Zero and will be highlighted on the front page of both sites for one month. The deadline for submissions is 16 April, 2003. The winner will be announced on 18 April, 2003. - Technical Requirements - Submitted banners need to be in gif or jpeg/jpg format with no animation. All of the following sizes are acceptable: 234x60, 88x31, 120x60, 120x240, 125x125, 240x400, 300x250, 336x280 and 250x250. To submit, go to bannerart.org and use the submission form upload your work for review. Please mark in the "special requirements" field on the upload form that your submission is for the contest and not just for normal entry to the site's continuing banner art exhibition, submissions for which are continuing as usual. All entries will be shrunk proportionally and converted to a spray paint .wad file by the creators of Velvet-Strike. You can do this conversion yourself to test how your work might look, by downloading the freeware application "Wally 1.55b" on the "Counterspray" site (http://www.counterspray.com/makeyourown.htm). Below is the list of conversion sizes that will be used: 234x60 half-banner->192x48 88x31 microbar->96x32 (with a transparent border) 120x60 button->96x48 120x240 button->64x128 125x125 button->96x96 240x400 rect->48x80 300x250 rect->96x80 336x280 rect->96x80 250x250 popup->96x96 Any technical questions should be directed to Brandon Barr (brandon@bannerart.org), Garrett Lynch (garrett@almost.be), or Anne-Marie Schleiner (opensorcery@opensorcery.net). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:17:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Enough! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Enough! (Presented at the _enough_ reading and launch at the Bowery Poetry Club on March 9, 2003. *** _enough_: an anthology of poetry and writings against the war, ed. Rick London and Leslie Scalapino [Oakland: O Books, 2003]) In these difficult times, let us not draw away from our poetics in an attempt to redress the ominous possibilities of future U.S. government policies or the onerous effects of current government policies. As poets, we need to pursue our own forms of ethical and aesthetic response rather than engage in the sort of pronouncement by fiat and moral presumption of President Bush and his partisans. In his "State of the Union" message on January 28, 2002, Mr. Bush said, "America's purpose is more than to follow a process; it is to achieve a result." This statement alone provides sufficient evidence to oppose his policies. What our America stands on, its foundation, is a commitment to process over results, to finding by doing, to thinking by responding. Solutions made outside of an open-ended process compound whatever problems we face. If this statement does not seem forceful enough, if it appears too uncertain or insufficiently categorically, so be it. If we are to talk of "poets" against the war, then what is it in our poems -- as opposed to our positions as citizens -- that does the opposing? Perhaps it might be an approach to politics, as much as to poetry, that doesn't feel compelled to repress ambiguity or complexity nor to substitute the righteous monologue for a skeptic's dialogue. At these trying time we keep being hectored toward moral discourse, toward turning our work into digestible messages. This too is a casualty of the war machine, the undermining of the value of the projects of art, of the aesthetic. Art is never secondary to moral discourse but its teacher. Art, unregulated by a predetermined message, is all the more urgent in a time of crisis. Indeed, it is a necessary response to crisis, exploring the deeper roots of our alienation and offering alternative ways not only to think, but also to imagine and indeed to resist. A decade ago, just after the previous Persian War, Leslie Scalapino, the convener of today's session, sent _Dead Souls_, a series of searing indictments of that war, to a number of newspapers, who declined to publish, as editorial matter, a kind of writing they found inaccessible. But the task for poetry is not to translate itself into the language of social and linguistic norms but to question those norms and, indeed, to explore the ways they are used to discipline and contain dissent. Poetry offers not a moral compass but an aesthetic probe. And it can provide a radical alternative to the outcome-driven thinking that has made the Official Morality of the State a mockery of ethical thinking and of international democratic values. We all saw the effect of outcome-driven thinking in Florida during the Fall of 2000, when the Republican National Committee launched a unilateral, anti-democratic campaign, capturing the state power of the executive branch from the winner of the popular vote for President. To achieve their goal, Mr. Bush and his partisans had to turn against their own espoused belief in states' rights. In the course of their righteous zeal to win at any cost, the Bush faction turned against the will both of the Supreme Court and the electorate of the State of Florida. The prestige and integrity of the United State Supreme Court was collateral damage to Mr. Bush's determined insistence that ends justify means. The Supreme Court, which we once thought of as a guarantor or liberty, was exposed as a tool of the ultra-right wing agenda of the Republican National Committee. This past week, we have seen this same Supreme Court rule that 50 years of incarceration is not cruel and unusual punishment for a string of three petty crimes. Once again, we see the contempt the Chief Justice, Mr. Rehnquist, and his Star Chamber cohorts, Justices Scalia and Thomas, have for the shared meaning of our common language, shared meanings that are the foundation for the system of laws to which we have given consent through the Bill of Rights to the Constitution. "Unilateralism" is not just the course the Executive Branch is pursuing, with disastrous consequence, in foreign policy, but also the policy it pursues domestically, in its assault on our liberties, on the poor, and indeed on our aspirations for a democratic society. So I come here this afternoon, to the Bowery Poetry Club, to say, with all of you, ENOUGH! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:27:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Sonnet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jinn re re predetermined tourist blog (deeplistening) strike enough! Brakhage Brakhage Brakhage fwd fwd drn drn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:54:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Dancerun - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Distance.dancerun.2 Concept/Choreography: Foofwa d'Imobilite Dancerunners: Franziska Koller, Anja Schmidt, Foofwa d'Imobilite Some music/text/image: Alan Sondheim {working notes and phenomenology on the piece, which appeared in two forms at the Kitchen in NY and will be on tour in Europe, a work which is difficult to visualize in spite of its relationship to dance and running, terpsichore and sport. in the latter, one might say that the spectator watches (in the sense of competition) the signifier left behind by the runner - the overall time of the event. in the former, the signifier is internal - what the body _does,_ not what it accomplish- es. or the means as opposed to the end - or the process as opposed to the state (x = time-constant) - perhaps operator/operation as opposed to stating/state. the _regard_ of the spectator at the dance or race. or an exercise-running or a competition. or the submerged competition among dances, companies, choreographers, dancers, and the overt competition among runners. or labanotations opposed to any-winning-articulations of whatever form. a work divided into two sections as well - exterior and interior, the former brought into the proscenium, spectator arena. what of a reversal - the audience along the route, mobile video carrying the interior section itself. do we need theaters? do we need theaters any more? the route is the flow of information, mitigated information and performance among the city, citying; the route is negotiated, dialog, dialectic. the interior part is institutionalized, financed, already an economy. within the interior, the audience-organs perform specific roles; the dancers are the lungs and feet - the dancers in this instance are the bodies of the audience, we want to run. neither dance nor running, but an alliance or allegiance with the air, the atmosphere, the spacing of the globe. they're a breath of fresh air, who let the air in, we're giving ourselves airs, the air's a bit thick in here, the air is the window of the soul. wavering among forms and among bodies poised for dance, competition, running, adulation, exhaustion, dying, rebirth, presentation, re-presentation - the event or eventing is a becoming, not of deconstruction or disinstitutionalization, but of a loosening of territories, not a territorialization or deterritorializa- tion, but an opening, which is also an opening, in these dark times, of _gladness._ it's this gladness which breathes of landscapes without viewers, of eyes without minds, of a natural world without tending, with tendency. a work shaking loose notions of _work,_ at the same time tending towards exhaustion - dancers taking breaks when necessary, covering and recovering similar grounds when unnecessary, always _untethering,_ from running, from dance, from dance-run, from run-dance, run-run and dance-dance, a broken cartesian skein. - then again, this prowess and opening towards gladness. How easy it would have been towards accolade! Carlyle's bowing figures in the early moment, pushed beyond their limits, arms in the air, breaking the ribbon at last! Such that England wins! ...drowned or ruined cities, submerged accolades, momentary stases, the coming recognitions, flooded sports arenas, flooded theaters, homes, palaces, bunkers, markets, cathedrals, the world gone upside-down... in which the body is found between function and form, or rather form into function which returns to form, or rather decathecting and looking (rather than watching, i.e. watching a dance or watching a sports event, we looked at this performance which keeps continuing, as if there's no end to the variations, nothing of imminent logic for example, nothing of teleology (rather than figures of violin, of tamboura or something slowly borrowed or roughly pulsing, of which this is a segment in which the body keeps continuing, or finding or found, or running or drowning, as if there's no end and nothing of it (muscle, not brawn submerged === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:14:59 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: ermergent democracies Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://joi.ito.com/static/emergentdemocracy.html http://joi.ito.com/archives/2003/03/10/an_email_from_dee_hock_about_the_emergent_democracy_paper.html#004383 Dee Hock: "It is futile to directly challenge such institutions, political or commercial, for they have an oligopoly on power, money and instruments of compulsion. Nor do they hesitate to use them if threatened. However, they will prove to be vulnerable, rusted out hulks if confronted with new and better ideas of organization which transcend and enfold them. Ideas that excite the very people they expect to remain passive. What they cannot resist is the searchlight of informed public opinion. Once the public begins to withdraw relevance from them they are helpless, as Gandhi so ably demonstrated in India. While I don't begin to understand Blogging, your paper set something turning in the back of my mind that whispers it may be one of the keys to the puzzle." Roger. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:21:25 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: South Indian state tries again to ban nude worship at Hindu temple Comments: To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable South Indian state tries again to ban nude worship at Hindu temple =20 =20 Canadian Press=20 Wednesday, March 05, 2003 =20 BANGALORE, India (AP) - Every year, tens of thousands of women gather at = a Hindu temple in southern India and worship in the nude, despite = efforts to stop them.=20 For 17 years, authorities and social reformers have tried to prevent the = devotees from disrobing as they bathe in the Bhadra River and roll = around the temple of the Hindu goddess Renukamba. And on Wednesday, = officials said they have once again banned nudity during the temple fair = from March 9-11 in the village of Chandragutti in Karnataka state.=20 Many of the devotees are young women who are performing an initiation = rite to enter prostitution, while others are fulfilling vows they have = made to the goddess.=20 Tushar Girinath, the deputy commissioner for the Shimoga district, said = devotees can perform all the rituals, but they must remain clothed.=20 He has also ordered all liquor shops within a five-kilometre radius of = the temple closed during the fair to keep people from becoming unruly.=20 In 1986, worshippers became angry at attempts to stop them. They = stripped the police, journalists and the social activists and forced = them to parade naked.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:08:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: suppression of the press in '91 gulf war Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable for the 3 white guys in the panel audience on academe & war (arranged by=20 Mairead Byrne & Kazim Ali) at the AWP who insisted that the press were not= =20 suppressed or threatened or censored by the US Military... http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,894708,00.html 'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with people's arms and legs=20 sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands' Patrick J Sloyan on how the mass slaughter of a group of Iraqis went=20 unreported Friday February 14, 2003 The Guardian On February 25 1991 the war correspondent Leon Daniel arrived at a=20 battlefield at the tip of the neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia.=20 Daniel was one of a pool of journalists who had been held back from=20 witnessing action the previous day, when Desert Storm's ground war had been= =20 launched. There, right where he was standing, 8,400 soldiers of the US=20 First Infantry Division - known as the Big Red One - had attacked an=20 estimated 8,000 Iraqis with 3,000 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley=20 fighting vehicles, Humvees and armoured personnel carriers. Daniel had seen the aftermath of modest firefights in Vietnam. "The bodies= =20 would be stacked up like cordwood," he recalled. Yet this ferocious attack= =20 had not produced a single visible body. It was a battlefield without the=20 stench of urine, faeces, blood and bits of flesh. Daniel wondered what=20 happened to the estimated 6,000 Iraqi defenders who had vanished. "Where=20 are the bodies?" he finally asked the First Division's public affairs=20 officer, an army major. "What bodies?" the major replied. Months later, Daniel and the world would learn why the dead had eluded=20 eyewitnesses, cameras and video footage. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some= =20 of them firing their weapons from first world war-style trenches, had been= =20 buried by ploughs mounted on Abrams tanks. The tanks had flanked the lines= =20 so that tons of sand from the plough spoil had funnelled into the trenches.= =20 Just behind the tanks, straddling the trench line, came Bradleys pumping=20 machine-gun bullets into Iraqi troops. "I came through right after the lead company," said Colonel Anthony Moreno.= =20 "What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people's arms and legs=20 sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands." Two other brigades used the same tank-mounted ploughs and Bradleys to=20 obliterate an estimated 70 miles of defensive trenches. They moved swiftly.= =20 The operation had been rehearsed repeatedly, weeks before, on a mile-long=20 trench line built according to satellite photographs. The finishing touches= =20 were made by armoured combat earth-movers (ACEs). These massive bulldozers,= =20 with armoured cockpits impervious to small-arms fire, smoothed away any=20 hint of the carnage. "A lot of guys were scared, but I enjoyed it," said=20 PFC Joe Queen, an ACE driver awarded a Bronze Star for his performance in=20 the battle. What happened in the neutral zone that day is a metaphor for the art of war= =20 in an era when domestic politics is often more important than the=20 predictable outcome on the field of battle. In 1991 American voters rallied= =20 behind President George Bush Sr for the seemingly bloodless confrontation=20 with Saddam Hussein. Neatly hidden from a small army of journalists was the= =20 reality of war - a reality that can make these very same voters recoil in=20 disapproval. His son is likely to use the same sort of tactics to blind one of the=20 world's freest and most influential media establishments. Running the show= =20 for President George Bush is the man who manipulated global perceptions of= =20 the first Gulf war for Bush Sr: Dick Cheney. Then defence secretary and now= =20 vice-president, Cheney is likely to buffalo the New York Times, the=20 Associated Press, CNN and others ready to bend to US government censorship. According to White House officials, no final decisions have been made by=20 Bush, Cheney and current defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "We're still=20 negotiating with the media," said one administration official. But Bush has= =20 already implemented ground rules that require journalists to give up their= =20 mobile and satellite phones to military commanders who would control the=20 movements of these so-called pool reporters during Desert Storm II. If the= =20 final rules, organised by the Pentagon, are anything like the pool system=20 designed by Bush Sr and Cheney in 1991, the world will be given a cloudy=20 mixture of video footage and misinformation that will fog the reality of= war. Daniel, the wire service veteran, was part of the 1991 pool system. About=20 150 American journalists, photographers and film crews were scattered among= =20 attacking units. Their reports were supposed to be fed to a rear=20 headquarters and then shared by hundreds of journalists from around the=20 world. "They wouldn't let us see anything," said Daniel, who has seen just= =20 about everything there is to see in war. Not a single eyewitness account,=20 photograph or strip of video of combat between 400,000 soldiers in the=20 desert was produced by this battalion of professional observers. Most of the grisly photos from Desert Storm seen today were the work of=20 independent journalists who raced to the "Highway of Death" north of=20 Kuwait, where war planes had destroyed thousands of vehicles in which Iraqi= =20 soldiers had fled after the start of the ground war. The area was free of=20 the military handlers who routinely interrupted interviews to chastise=20 soldiers into changing their statements while reporters stood back, or=20 forcibly removed film from cameras that captured images deemed offensive by= =20 an Army public affairs officer. Cheney, brimming with contempt and hostility for the press, saw journalists= =20 as critics of the military who must be contained. "Frankly, I looked on it= =20 as a problem to be managed," he said after the war. "The information=20 function was extraordinarily important. I did not have a lot of confidence= =20 that I could leave that to the press." Since being brought into government as an intern by Donald Rumsfeld, then a= =20 congressman, Cheney has spent most of his adult life fencing with the media= =20 and learning its strengths and weaknesses. A stunning victory in 1991 was=20 the media's agreement to permit the Pentagon to censor journalists' reports= =20 before they were printed or broadcast. In the past the Pentagon had left=20 censorship up to individual reporters. During 10 years of war in Vietnam,=20 not one journalist violated self-imposed rules against reporting, for=20 example, specific locations of attacks. As a result, the conventional wisdom was that the government was not=20 violating the First Amendment to the Constitution: that Congress "will make= =20 no law to abridge [. . .] freedom of the press". Only a handful of=20 journalists went to federal court to challenge the government censorship=20 imposed by Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell, chairman of the joint chiefs of=20 staff. The court ruled the suit moot - the war was over - but invited the=20 press to try again so that the issue might be settled. It never was. The media was more duped than cowed. Cheney won over some people with the=20 promise that places in the pool would give them an advantage over=20 competitors. For instance, a Washington Post pool reporter kept to himself= =20 all details of a US Marine operation for exclusive use by the Post and,=20 later, a book. For independent journalists, life was much more difficult. More than 70=20 operating outside the pool system were arrested, detained, threatened at=20 gunpoint or chased from the front line. Army public affairs officers made=20 nightly visits to hotels and restaurants in Hafir al Batin, a Saudi town on= =20 the Iraqi border. Reporters and photographers would bolt from the table.=20 The slower ones were arrested. But when the ground war started, the mighty were hamstrung along with the=20 mediocre. The Associated Press, which benefited most from a system that=20 turned all journalists into wire service reporters, sent photographer Scott= =20 Applewhite to cover victims of a Scud missile attack near Dahran. The=20 warhead had hit an American tent, killing 25 army reservists and wounding=20 70. It was the single biggest loss to Saddam Hussein during Desert Storm.=20 Applewhite, an accredited pool member, was stopped by US Army military=20 police. When he objected, they punched and handcuffed him while ripping the= =20 film from his cameras. Cheney made sure it was just as bad for the rest of the pool. When the=20 ground war started, the defence secretary declared a "media blackout",=20 blocking all reports. After the war, General Norman Schwarzkopf and his=20 aides revealed that the blackout was ordered because of fears that Saddam=20 would use chemical weapons on allied forces. Potential news reports of=20 soldiers writhing in agony from a cloud of sarin nerve gas had spooked the= =20 president and his commanders. "No pictures of that," said General Richard=20 Neal, who directed ground operations during the war. As a result, reports and film were delayed or "lost" by military commanders= =20 so that most of it arrived too late for most deadlines. Neal and=20 Schwarzkopf provided the bulk of briefings and videos in Saudi Arabia, and= =20 these were the first reports to filter through; many became the basis of=20 the most lasting perceptions of Desert Storm. Gun camera footage always=20 showed empty bridges or aircraft hangars being destroyed by "smart bombs" -= =20 laser-guided munitions that never struck a single human. But only 6% of the= =20 munitions used against Iraq could be guided to a target. Over 94% were far= =20 less surgical during the 30-day air war, which often saw 400 sorties a day.= =20 Those bombs depended on gravity and variable winds, and were capable of=20 causing "collateral damage" to nearby unarmed civilians. The global television audience was awed by Tomahawk cruise missiles roaring= =20 from the decks of US Navy warships at sea. But less than 10% hit their=20 targets. The missile's accuracy depends on landmarks that can be spotted by= =20 an on-board camera that can shift the weapon's direction. But the=20 featureless desert led many Tomahawks to wander away like so many lost=20 patrols, according to Pentagon studies. Schwarzkopf conducted televised briefings about the allied counterattack on= =20 Saddam's Scud missiles that had terrorised Saudi Arabia as well as Israel.= =20 Yet an air force study after the war showed that Iraq had ended up with as= =20 many Scud launchers as it had possessed before the war started. A murky=20 Schwarzkopf video showed the destruction of what seemed to be a Scud=20 launcher, but later turned out to be a bombed oil truck. Controlling the briefings, the videos and the press during Desert Storm was= =20 an extension of US policy started by President Ronald Reagan and his=20 defence chief, Caspar Weinberger. It was Weinberger, an anglophile, who=20 admired Margaret Thatcher's manipulation of the media during the Falklands= =20 war, which led directly to her political revival in 1982. A year later,=20 Weinberger took control of the US media when Reagan found himself in a=20 deepening hole in Lebanon. On October 23 1983, 241 US Marines died after a truck laden with explosives= =20 destroyed a makeshift barracks at Beirut airport. The massacre suddenly=20 focused attention on the ageing actor's foreign policy decisions as the=20 reports and pictures showed the removal of American bodies. Within 48 hours= =20 of the bombing, the president dispatched the first wave of 5,000 American=20 troops to Grenada in the Caribbean. But the invasion angered Thatcher. Grenada was linked to the UK as a member= =20 of the Commonwealth. Only the previous week, Washington had informed London= =20 that there was no need for outside intervention, as local political turmoil= =20 was likely to play itself out without further bloodshed. Geoffrey Howe,=20 Britain's foreign minister, was explicit. "The invasion of Grenada was=20 clearly designed to divert attention," Howe said in an interview. "You had= =20 disaster in Beirut; now triumph in Grenada. 'Don't look there,' " he said,= =20 gesturing with his forefinger, " 'look over here.' " Reporters were banned from Grenada. Those who tried to land on the island,= =20 such as Morris Thompson of Newsday, were arrested and imprisoned on US=20 ships offshore. All details and videos were supplied by military reporters= =20 and photographers at Pentagon briefings. The media barons howled, but little changed. When Bush Sr invaded Panama in= =20 1989, journalists were once again banned. Democratic congressman Charles=20 Rangle of New York still insists that as many as 5,000 civilians in Panama= =20 City were killed by US invaders. But there are no pictures, no eyewitness=20 accounts. The invasion of Panama and the arrest of Manuel Noriega were, like Desert=20 Storm later, something of a political triumph for Bush. But the reality of= =20 that particular war asserted itself during a televised briefing by the=20 president. It was just at the end of the session, when Bush was=20 wisecracking with reporters, that most networks split their screens to show= =20 the arrival of dead US soldiers from Panama. Bush was caught bantering as flag-draped coffins arrived at an air force=20 base in Dover, Delaware - a military mortuary. Later that week, Bush=20 ordered the press banned from covering the arrival ceremonies for the=20 fallen. President Clinton continued the ban. And his successor, President=20 George Bush, also wants to keep the dead out of the national limelight. =B7 Patrick J Sloyan's reporting on the war after the end of Desert Storm= won=20 the Pulitzer prize for international reporting in 1992. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:06:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: what should we do? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what should we do? to the very few or none of us or them for none are living all are dead or dying hammer the stirrup questions beyond beyond like never never - there is a call to strike the cyclorama yet a scrim of dumb distant thing like memory remains all that is left is a sinking spiral jetty and they say "its better to lie to a backed upped sink than brave the sewers" we are built with simile of the kitsch and blameless - a thirst for action figures and better garbage bags a god is missing send out the predictions blame the queers and renaissance advance the forces throw some lucky bits and lets eat ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:13:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New Bush Portrait Found Hanging Upside Down from Mount Rushmore Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable New Bush Portrait Found Hanging Upside Down from Mount Rushmore (Presidential News Service, 3/10/03) Early Sunday morning visitors to Mount Rushmore reported that they were astonished to find they could not look up the 5,725-foot mountain and see the 60-foot high carved stone heads of U.S Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Instead, they found themselves looking at a large painted portrait of President Bush hanging upside down on a cable stretched several hundred feet between the barely exposed foreheads of Lincoln and Washington= . Visitors reported that not only was the painted Bush upside down, but that his bright red cheeks and much ruffled dark hair indicated signs of considerable shaking, an effect that was amplified by the canvas rippling i= n the early March wind. Indeed it appeared that a group of artists or individuals had picked him by his feet and held him hanging down for a long period of time while the portrait was in progress. "Drop The Thought" - the visitor went on to report - was painted in large block letters across the top of the canvas which hung down at least 60 feet to cover the sight of the other Presidential faces. Before News reporters could be called to the scene, National Park authorities brought in two helicopters to lift the cable and canvas from th= e Monument. "That was also quite something," a visitor reported. "The canvas shook terribly when they lifted Bush=B9s face up into the air. It was as if h= e was having an exorcism or some kind of letting go. Then, when the helicopters got him balanced to leave, they turned the canvas around and, and on the back side, all we see were big lavender colored letters saying, NO WAR IN IRAQ. Frankly, it was kind of powerful sight. Like a lot of people, I am not particularly for going into this war." It was hard to find much other information. Mount Rushmore =AD carved over a period of 14 years by sculptor Gutzon Borglum - was created to embody the spirit of the foundation, preservation, and expansion of the United States. Tight lipped, The National Park Service said it did not have any informatio= n on the perpetrators of the morning=B9s event and no arrests had been made. "At a time when the country and the President most need the support of the American people," Ari Fleischer said, "It is disturbing to hear that there are individuals out there who will abuse an historic Monument that represents our nation=B9s ambition, power and democratic purpose. As to the alleged portrait, let it be known, one more time, this President will not b= e shaken in his resolve to go to war, if that is his decision." =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:28:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: PORNOBOROS (B's Solar Anus) In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ss eenother rm Evertedevotedentificationntencessiblyyrinth Buthermsss creamMorousssssssssss Anddescribesewingenerative Theexualocomotive'sstons Theseeciprocallyyyy Anarian arian nourishe ngggirloves ssselffferssscreamingirleringe r'sopranorgottennts Theyyyythinges leeptyyyyystemspaceeentersove scribingercle eirdereturngure eing gettingemory Annnddday ythmagementturningging gatedieeerderriseectionndirectiond Treestleeredddddown ed de ementhea rthhesssun Butheeddddd es salter Thea ss Theainedddddalize eeerkness ssun ngs itionimals sarilyes Humaneithers curity ysame flexes thattonssedddownground Thearthingeroticontained aloussseecessarilyyyyyyondity Inndition ndal ovennndinggirlleeeexclusivelyyy Theersufficientlyyyyyrinth % ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:31:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: meanwhile at the blog full o' Jim Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Lament for Jimmy's Makers Hideous Self-Promotion Boot-Licking Good Times More Hopeless Poetic Crushes http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ ~since 2003, only about a gillion times more fun than the Buffalo List~ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:55:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Maxwell Subject: Bruno Levitsky & Machlin this Sunday @ Dawsons, 4pm! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The Germ and the Poetic Research Bloc present: Franklin Bruno, Rachel Levitsky & Dan Machlin Sunday, March 16 at 4pm at Dawson's Book Shop! *** Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem 2003) and of four previous chapbooks, Cartographies of Error (Leroy Chapbooks), 2[1x1] Portraits (Baksun), Dearly, (A + Bend Press), The Adventures of Yaya and Grace (Potes and Poets). She has also written/co-written two plays and is the founder/curator of the New York City based Belladonna* Matrix (readings, chapbooks, salons). She works in Queens and lives in Brooklyn. MF/MA, a book of poetry by Franklin Bruno, is available from Seeing Eye Books. Other work by Bruno appears in Rhizome, The Hat, and Zzyva. Franklin has written about music and culture for LA Weekly, Time Out New York, The Village Voice, and The Boston Phoenix, and online for Feed and Salon. He has released several albums, both as a member of the trio Nothing Painted Blue and as a solo artist, the latest being A Kiss Without Makeup and A Cat May Look Like A Queen from Absolutely Kosher. Dan Machlin is a poet, musician and sound artist, and the founding director of Futurepoem books, a publishing collaborative in NYC. His chapbooks include This Side Facing You (Heart Hammer) and In Rem (@ Press). His musical collaborations with the cellist Serena Jost can be found on a recent CD out on Immanent Audio. *** Doors open at 4. Readings at 4:30. Dawson's Book Shop is located at 535 N. Larchmont Blvd between Beverly Blvd and Melrose Blvd in the Larchmont district south of Hollywood, CA. Bookstore Tel: 213-469-2186 Readings are open to all. $3 donation requested for poets/venue. Call Andrew at 310.460.4035 for more info. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:07:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: suppression of the press in '91 gulf war In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030310110316.01bfe608@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Also, check out video, "Lines in the Sand" very compelling proof of supression. --- Gabriel Gudding wrote: > for the 3 white guys in the panel audience on > academe & war (arranged by > Mairead Byrne & Kazim Ali) at the AWP who insisted > that the press were not > suppressed or threatened or censored by the US > Military... > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,894708,00.html > > 'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with > people's arms and legs > sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have > killed thousands' > > Patrick J Sloyan on how the mass slaughter of a > group of Iraqis went > unreported > > Friday February 14, 2003 > The Guardian > > On February 25 1991 the war correspondent Leon > Daniel arrived at a > battlefield at the tip of the neutral zone between > Iraq and Saudi Arabia. > Daniel was one of a pool of journalists who had been > held back from > witnessing action the previous day, when Desert > Storm's ground war had been > launched. There, right where he was standing, 8,400 > soldiers of the US > First Infantry Division - known as the Big Red One - > had attacked an > estimated 8,000 Iraqis with 3,000 Abrams main battle > tanks, Bradley > fighting vehicles, Humvees and armoured personnel > carriers. > Daniel had seen the aftermath of modest firefights > in Vietnam. "The bodies > would be stacked up like cordwood," he recalled. Yet > this ferocious attack > had not produced a single visible body. It was a > battlefield without the > stench of urine, faeces, blood and bits of flesh. > Daniel wondered what > happened to the estimated 6,000 Iraqi defenders who > had vanished. "Where > are the bodies?" he finally asked the First > Division's public affairs > officer, an army major. "What bodies?" the major > replied. > Months later, Daniel and the world would learn why > the dead had eluded > eyewitnesses, cameras and video footage. Thousands > of Iraqi soldiers, some > of them firing their weapons from first world > war-style trenches, had been > buried by ploughs mounted on Abrams tanks. The tanks > had flanked the lines > so that tons of sand from the plough spoil had > funnelled into the trenches. > Just behind the tanks, straddling the trench line, > came Bradleys pumping > machine-gun bullets into Iraqi troops. > "I came through right after the lead company," said > Colonel Anthony Moreno. > "What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with > people's arms and legs > sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have > killed thousands." > Two other brigades used the same tank-mounted > ploughs and Bradleys to > obliterate an estimated 70 miles of defensive > trenches. They moved swiftly. > The operation had been rehearsed repeatedly, weeks > before, on a mile-long > trench line built according to satellite > photographs. The finishing touches > were made by armoured combat earth-movers (ACEs). > These massive bulldozers, > with armoured cockpits impervious to small-arms > fire, smoothed away any > hint of the carnage. "A lot of guys were scared, but > I enjoyed it," said > PFC Joe Queen, an ACE driver awarded a Bronze Star > for his performance in > the battle. > What happened in the neutral zone that day is a > metaphor for the art of war > in an era when domestic politics is often more > important than the > predictable outcome on the field of battle. In 1991 > American voters rallied > behind President George Bush Sr for the seemingly > bloodless confrontation > with Saddam Hussein. Neatly hidden from a small army > of journalists was the > reality of war - a reality that can make these very > same voters recoil in > disapproval. > His son is likely to use the same sort of tactics to > blind one of the > world's freest and most influential media > establishments. Running the show > for President George Bush is the man who manipulated > global perceptions of > the first Gulf war for Bush Sr: Dick Cheney. Then > defence secretary and now > vice-president, Cheney is likely to buffalo the New > York Times, the > Associated Press, CNN and others ready to bend to US > government censorship. > According to White House officials, no final > decisions have been made by > Bush, Cheney and current defence secretary Donald > Rumsfeld. "We're still > negotiating with the media," said one administration > official. But Bush has > already implemented ground rules that require > journalists to give up their > mobile and satellite phones to military commanders > who would control the > movements of these so-called pool reporters during > Desert Storm II. If the > final rules, organised by the Pentagon, are anything > like the pool system > designed by Bush Sr and Cheney in 1991, the world > will be given a cloudy > mixture of video footage and misinformation that > will fog the reality of war. > Daniel, the wire service veteran, was part of the > 1991 pool system. About > 150 American journalists, photographers and film > crews were scattered among > attacking units. Their reports were supposed to be > fed to a rear > headquarters and then shared by hundreds of > journalists from around the > world. "They wouldn't let us see anything," said > Daniel, who has seen just > about everything there is to see in war. Not a > single eyewitness account, > photograph or strip of video of combat between > 400,000 soldiers in the > desert was produced by this battalion of > professional observers. > Most of the grisly photos from Desert Storm seen > today were the work of > independent journalists who raced to the "Highway of > Death" north of > Kuwait, where war planes had destroyed thousands of > vehicles in which Iraqi > soldiers had fled after the start of the ground war. > The area was free of > the military handlers who routinely interrupted > interviews to chastise > soldiers into changing their statements while > reporters stood back, or > forcibly removed film from cameras that captured > images deemed offensive by > an Army public affairs officer. > Cheney, brimming with contempt and hostility for the > press, saw journalists > as critics of the military who must be contained. > "Frankly, I looked on it > as a problem to be managed," he said after the war. > "The information > function was extraordinarily important. I did not > have a lot of confidence > that I could leave that to the press." > Since being brought into government as an intern by > Donald Rumsfeld, then a > congressman, Cheney has spent most of his adult life > fencing with the media > and learning its strengths and weaknesses. A > stunning victory in 1991 was > the media's agreement to permit the Pentagon to > censor journalists' reports > before they were printed or broadcast. In the past > the Pentagon had left > censorship up to individual reporters. During 10 > years of war in Vietnam, > not one journalist violated self-imposed rules > against reporting, for > example, specific locations of attacks. > As a result, the conventional wisdom was that the > government was not > violating the First Amendment to the Constitution: > that Congress "will make > no law to abridge [. . .] freedom of the press". > Only a handful of > journalists went to federal court to challenge the > government censorship > imposed by Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell, chairman > of the joint chiefs of > staff. The court ruled the suit moot - the war was > over - but invited the > press to try again so that the issue might be > settled. It never was. > The media was more duped than cowed. Cheney won over > some people with the > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:26:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joshua Mckinney Subject: Re: suppression of the press in '91 gulf war Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, Gabe, Hope you had a good trip to AWP. I'm wondering if I can ask one more question about your book? One of my students has been ill, and I don't think she ever got around to mailing you. She wondered if you think there's a difference between male and female humor. Sh thought your humor tended toward what she calls "male." Any thoughts on this? My students really loved your book. I plan to teach it again since it worked so very well and raised so many great questions. Best, Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Gudding" To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:08 AM Subject: suppression of the press in '91 gulf war > for the 3 white guys in the panel audience on academe & war (arranged by > Mairead Byrne & Kazim Ali) at the AWP who insisted that the press were not > suppressed or threatened or censored by the US Military... > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,894708,00.html > > 'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with people's arms and legs > sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands' > > Patrick J Sloyan on how the mass slaughter of a group of Iraqis went > unreported > > Friday February 14, 2003 > The Guardian > > On February 25 1991 the war correspondent Leon Daniel arrived at a > battlefield at the tip of the neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. > Daniel was one of a pool of journalists who had been held back from > witnessing action the previous day, when Desert Storm's ground war had been > launched. There, right where he was standing, 8,400 soldiers of the US > First Infantry Division - known as the Big Red One - had attacked an > estimated 8,000 Iraqis with 3,000 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley > fighting vehicles, Humvees and armoured personnel carriers. > Daniel had seen the aftermath of modest firefights in Vietnam. "The bodies > would be stacked up like cordwood," he recalled. Yet this ferocious attack > had not produced a single visible body. It was a battlefield without the > stench of urine, faeces, blood and bits of flesh. Daniel wondered what > happened to the estimated 6,000 Iraqi defenders who had vanished. "Where > are the bodies?" he finally asked the First Division's public affairs > officer, an army major. "What bodies?" the major replied. > Months later, Daniel and the world would learn why the dead had eluded > eyewitnesses, cameras and video footage. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some > of them firing their weapons from first world war-style trenches, had been > buried by ploughs mounted on Abrams tanks. The tanks had flanked the lines > so that tons of sand from the plough spoil had funnelled into the trenches. > Just behind the tanks, straddling the trench line, came Bradleys pumping > machine-gun bullets into Iraqi troops. > "I came through right after the lead company," said Colonel Anthony Moreno. > "What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people's arms and legs > sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands." > Two other brigades used the same tank-mounted ploughs and Bradleys to > obliterate an estimated 70 miles of defensive trenches. They moved swiftly. > The operation had been rehearsed repeatedly, weeks before, on a mile-long > trench line built according to satellite photographs. The finishing touches > were made by armoured combat earth-movers (ACEs). These massive bulldozers, > with armoured cockpits impervious to small-arms fire, smoothed away any > hint of the carnage. "A lot of guys were scared, but I enjoyed it," said > PFC Joe Queen, an ACE driver awarded a Bronze Star for his performance in > the battle. > What happened in the neutral zone that day is a metaphor for the art of war > in an era when domestic politics is often more important than the > predictable outcome on the field of battle. In 1991 American voters rallied > behind President George Bush Sr for the seemingly bloodless confrontation > with Saddam Hussein. Neatly hidden from a small army of journalists was the > reality of war - a reality that can make these very same voters recoil in > disapproval. > His son is likely to use the same sort of tactics to blind one of the > world's freest and most influential media establishments. Running the show > for President George Bush is the man who manipulated global perceptions of > the first Gulf war for Bush Sr: Dick Cheney. Then defence secretary and now > vice-president, Cheney is likely to buffalo the New York Times, the > Associated Press, CNN and others ready to bend to US government censorship. > According to White House officials, no final decisions have been made by > Bush, Cheney and current defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "We're still > negotiating with the media," said one administration official. But Bush has > already implemented ground rules that require journalists to give up their > mobile and satellite phones to military commanders who would control the > movements of these so-called pool reporters during Desert Storm II. If the > final rules, organised by the Pentagon, are anything like the pool system > designed by Bush Sr and Cheney in 1991, the world will be given a cloudy > mixture of video footage and misinformation that will fog the reality of war. > Daniel, the wire service veteran, was part of the 1991 pool system. About > 150 American journalists, photographers and film crews were scattered among > attacking units. Their reports were supposed to be fed to a rear > headquarters and then shared by hundreds of journalists from around the > world. "They wouldn't let us see anything," said Daniel, who has seen just > about everything there is to see in war. Not a single eyewitness account, > photograph or strip of video of combat between 400,000 soldiers in the > desert was produced by this battalion of professional observers. > Most of the grisly photos from Desert Storm seen today were the work of > independent journalists who raced to the "Highway of Death" north of > Kuwait, where war planes had destroyed thousands of vehicles in which Iraqi > soldiers had fled after the start of the ground war. The area was free of > the military handlers who routinely interrupted interviews to chastise > soldiers into changing their statements while reporters stood back, or > forcibly removed film from cameras that captured images deemed offensive by > an Army public affairs officer. > Cheney, brimming with contempt and hostility for the press, saw journalists > as critics of the military who must be contained. "Frankly, I looked on it > as a problem to be managed," he said after the war. "The information > function was extraordinarily important. I did not have a lot of confidence > that I could leave that to the press." > Since being brought into government as an intern by Donald Rumsfeld, then a > congressman, Cheney has spent most of his adult life fencing with the media > and learning its strengths and weaknesses. A stunning victory in 1991 was > the media's agreement to permit the Pentagon to censor journalists' reports > before they were printed or broadcast. In the past the Pentagon had left > censorship up to individual reporters. During 10 years of war in Vietnam, > not one journalist violated self-imposed rules against reporting, for > example, specific locations of attacks. > As a result, the conventional wisdom was that the government was not > violating the First Amendment to the Constitution: that Congress "will make > no law to abridge [. . .] freedom of the press". Only a handful of > journalists went to federal court to challenge the government censorship > imposed by Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell, chairman of the joint chiefs of > staff. The court ruled the suit moot - the war was over - but invited the > press to try again so that the issue might be settled. It never was. > The media was more duped than cowed. Cheney won over some people with the > promise that places in the pool would give them an advantage over > competitors. For instance, a Washington Post pool reporter kept to himself > all details of a US Marine operation for exclusive use by the Post and, > later, a book. > For independent journalists, life was much more difficult. More than 70 > operating outside the pool system were arrested, detained, threatened at > gunpoint or chased from the front line. Army public affairs officers made > nightly visits to hotels and restaurants in Hafir al Batin, a Saudi town on > the Iraqi border. Reporters and photographers would bolt from the table. > The slower ones were arrested. > But when the ground war started, the mighty were hamstrung along with the > mediocre. The Associated Press, which benefited most from a system that > turned all journalists into wire service reporters, sent photographer Scott > Applewhite to cover victims of a Scud missile attack near Dahran. The > warhead had hit an American tent, killing 25 army reservists and wounding > 70. It was the single biggest loss to Saddam Hussein during Desert Storm. > Applewhite, an accredited pool member, was stopped by US Army military > police. When he objected, they punched and handcuffed him while ripping the > film from his cameras. > Cheney made sure it was just as bad for the rest of the pool. When the > ground war started, the defence secretary declared a "media blackout", > blocking all reports. After the war, General Norman Schwarzkopf and his > aides revealed that the blackout was ordered because of fears that Saddam > would use chemical weapons on allied forces. Potential news reports of > soldiers writhing in agony from a cloud of sarin nerve gas had spooked the > president and his commanders. "No pictures of that," said General Richard > Neal, who directed ground operations during the war. > As a result, reports and film were delayed or "lost" by military commanders > so that most of it arrived too late for most deadlines. Neal and > Schwarzkopf provided the bulk of briefings and videos in Saudi Arabia, and > these were the first reports to filter through; many became the basis of > the most lasting perceptions of Desert Storm. Gun camera footage always > showed empty bridges or aircraft hangars being destroyed by "smart bombs" - > laser-guided munitions that never struck a single human. But only 6% of the > munitions used against Iraq could be guided to a target. Over 94% were far > less surgical during the 30-day air war, which often saw 400 sorties a day. > Those bombs depended on gravity and variable winds, and were capable of > causing "collateral damage" to nearby unarmed civilians. > The global television audience was awed by Tomahawk cruise missiles roaring > from the decks of US Navy warships at sea. But less than 10% hit their > targets. The missile's accuracy depends on landmarks that can be spotted by > an on-board camera that can shift the weapon's direction. But the > featureless desert led many Tomahawks to wander away like so many lost > patrols, according to Pentagon studies. > Schwarzkopf conducted televised briefings about the allied counterattack on > Saddam's Scud missiles that had terrorised Saudi Arabia as well as Israel. > Yet an air force study after the war showed that Iraq had ended up with as > many Scud launchers as it had possessed before the war started. A murky > Schwarzkopf video showed the destruction of what seemed to be a Scud > launcher, but later turned out to be a bombed oil truck. > Controlling the briefings, the videos and the press during Desert Storm was > an extension of US policy started by President Ronald Reagan and his > defence chief, Caspar Weinberger. It was Weinberger, an anglophile, who > admired Margaret Thatcher's manipulation of the media during the Falklands > war, which led directly to her political revival in 1982. A year later, > Weinberger took control of the US media when Reagan found himself in a > deepening hole in Lebanon. > On October 23 1983, 241 US Marines died after a truck laden with explosives > destroyed a makeshift barracks at Beirut airport. The massacre suddenly > focused attention on the ageing actor's foreign policy decisions as the > reports and pictures showed the removal of American bodies. Within 48 hours > of the bombing, the president dispatched the first wave of 5,000 American > troops to Grenada in the Caribbean. > But the invasion angered Thatcher. Grenada was linked to the UK as a member > of the Commonwealth. Only the previous week, Washington had informed London > that there was no need for outside intervention, as local political turmoil > was likely to play itself out without further bloodshed. Geoffrey Howe, > Britain's foreign minister, was explicit. "The invasion of Grenada was > clearly designed to divert attention," Howe said in an interview. "You had > disaster in Beirut; now triumph in Grenada. 'Don't look there,' " he said, > gesturing with his forefinger, " 'look over here.' " > Reporters were banned from Grenada. Those who tried to land on the island, > such as Morris Thompson of Newsday, were arrested and imprisoned on US > ships offshore. All details and videos were supplied by military reporters > and photographers at Pentagon briefings. > The media barons howled, but little changed. When Bush Sr invaded Panama in > 1989, journalists were once again banned. Democratic congressman Charles > Rangle of New York still insists that as many as 5,000 civilians in Panama > City were killed by US invaders. But there are no pictures, no eyewitness > accounts. > The invasion of Panama and the arrest of Manuel Noriega were, like Desert > Storm later, something of a political triumph for Bush. But the reality of > that particular war asserted itself during a televised briefing by the > president. It was just at the end of the session, when Bush was > wisecracking with reporters, that most networks split their screens to show > the arrival of dead US soldiers from Panama. > Bush was caught bantering as flag-draped coffins arrived at an air force > base in Dover, Delaware - a military mortuary. Later that week, Bush > ordered the press banned from covering the arrival ceremonies for the > fallen. President Clinton continued the ban. And his successor, President > George Bush, also wants to keep the dead out of the national limelight. > · Patrick J Sloyan's reporting on the war after the end of Desert Storm won > the Pulitzer prize for international reporting in 1992. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:46:52 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: POETS of 9for9: Anselm Berrigan, Buck Downs, Mytili Jagannathan, Kevin Killian, Eileen Myles, Alice Notley, Gil Ott, Frank Sherlock, Magdalena Zurawski MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ or view text below --------- 9for9 --------- set 1 of 9 Anselm Berrigan Buck Downs Mytili Jagannathan Kevin Killian Eileen Myles Alice Notley Gil Ott Frank Sherlock Magdalena Zurawski copyright =A9 2003 to all participating poets upon publication questions by CAConrad published by Mooncalf Press POBox 22521 Philadelphia, PA 19110 MooncalfPress@hotmail.com 9for9 is a collection of 9 questions for 9 poets and their answers. This is= =20 the first set of 9 sets. Some of the questions came from dreams, others fro= m=20 waking ideas. The project was conducted through e-mail, questions arriving=20 in Inboxes once a week, usually on friday. =20 If you wish to communicate with any of the poets included, please feel free=20 to send correspondence to the e-mail address CAConrad13@aol.com, with the=20 subject line "9for9 correspondence". I promise to forward your message to=20 the poet you wish to connect with. Thank you, CAConrad --------- QUESTION 1: Doctors have invented a new implant which can be placed in the brains of=20 newborns to prevent all forms of suffering for a lifetime. Is this a good=20 choice? Explain your answer. THE ANSWERS: =20 ANSELM BERRIGAN No. Is the implant some kind of life-lasting inner joint or something? And= =20 that seems to imply that joy and suffering can be implanted (I mean if you=20 can eliminate suffering you can probably double the load too, right?) --=20 i.e.: if some non-sufferers have some bombs dropped on their heads are they=20 not going to suffer? --------- BUCK DOWNS Steve Abbott had a questionnaire form for poets that I assume got distribute= d=20 around to his students & they used it, because it wasn't Steve who sent it t= o=20 Joe Brainard. Joe did try to answer it pretty honestly even though the=20 questions were all not ones that applied much to the life that Joe was=20 living. For example, there was a question about significant audio & all Joe= =20 could say was I have a tape by Morrissey because so-and-so gave it to me & I= =20 listen to it some because I have it, and a question about flying saucers tha= t=20 shows Joe to have been more or less indifferent to the phenomenon of=20 humanity's projection of its self-image onto foreign rocks & into strange=20 cans. I never think of suffering in the way this question thinks of it. I think o= f=20 my sore knee, I think of my mom's bronchitis or Tom Raworth's, etc. etc. The= =20 race of newborns and the race of doctors are both demographic fictions that=20 don't correlate to the life I live. I would not trust any scientist or=20 medical professional who accepted the concept embodied in this question as a= =20 principle for research; I would expect them to be a serious fuckup, and the=20 inventor of some high-priced piece of shit that would first magnify human=20 suffering to catastrophic levels before addressing it, and then failing to=20 address it in any significant way, and mostly leaving a big mess for cracker= s=20 like me to have to come clean up and/or pay for. I would be a lot more impressed if these doctors would come up with a pop to= =20 give my mom or Tom that would undo a lifetime of cigarette smoking and life=20 and give them back undiminished lung capacity. Or any other serious effort=20 to tackle an actual problem. Ugh. I think this question was supposed to be a big fat softball that would=20 allow me to rhapsodize in a long eloquent 'statement' about the beautiful=20 animal man [sic] and s/her ability to transcend bad breaks & shit; sorry to=20 have blown it, but I don't give a fuck about 'newborns' or any other=20 abstracted classes of humanity at all. Demographic abstraction is an enemy=20 of human contact, and human contact is all poetry has left going for it in=20 the media/market/culture that is its substrate. Everything else, as Dave=20 Hickey once said, is advertising and term-papers. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I guess I disagree with the premises and assumptions of this question. Firs= t=20 of all, on a very basic level, allopathic medical science has a lot to learn= =20 about the operations of even "physical" pain, let alone emotional pain and=20 suffering. I mean, just to take something widely diagnosed in the U.S. like= =20 depression; sure, there are drugs that have been invented that do help some=20 people, presumably by acting on neurotransmitters, but even the details of=20 this process are unclear to scientists. Also unanswered (perhaps=20 unanswerable) is the question of causality=97-are changes in brain chemistry= =20 the cause of depression, or does depression cause changes in brain chemistry= ?=20 And organic bodily processes are not simply "mechanical"=97they're=20 informational and "intelligent," so even something like genetic engineering=20 is more complex than discrete and dramatic on-and-off switches. And other=20 kinds of suffering: what is suffering? How could you catalog, much less=20 prevent "all forms" of it? So that's one part of my objection. The other part is that a lot of=20 suffering-as-we-know-it (which is where we begin, after all) is intricately=20 bound up with social/political/economic relations and our experience as part= =20 of collective forms/structures that have powerful energies and effects (nee= d=20 I point out the previously unimaginable scope of contemporary global=20 capitalism?). Of course there are biological factors that influence physica= l=20 and psychic experiences, but such factors are always in play with=20 environmental conditions, in the broadest sense of "environment." So, I=20 think that "suffering" is not an individual condition that can be "solved" b= y=20 genetic/medical solutions. I think that socially, politically, prophetically, if you like, of course=20 struggles for justice proceed with the "end of suffering" as a horizon, but=20 it's just as important how we imagine and enact those transformative=20 processes. I think the processes are inherently social, material,=20 relational, and yes, embodied; but it's certainly not going to come about=20 through any top-down techno/medical Big Bang. And creating a dynamic,=20 relational justice doesn't necessarily mean the end of all pain (we won't=20 overcome mortality, after all, we're dying all the time at the cellular=20 level, and extending old-age might even create as-yet-unexperienced forms of= =20 pain, who knows?), but an end to those social structures that "freeze" or=20 institutionalize suffering. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I hope they invent a similar implant that would induce tolerance and respect= =20 as well, otherwise what's to prevent the human race from turning cruel if no= =20 other human will suffer because of the first implant? Then our animal=20 friends among other species will be living worse lives than ever. Save the=20 animals now! --------- EILEEN MYLES No this is a bad choice. They would have to be adjusting it constantly which= =20 would disturb the growing infants sense of balance. Actually I think they=20 have already done this and it is vaccinations and they have so much mercury=20 in them that kids are coming up autistic. --------- ALICE NOTLEY What are 'all forms of suffering'? How can science define them? I wouldn't= =20 let a scientist define what constitutes suffering -- I know you are after an= =20 answer concerning the role of suffering in existence and whether living woul= d=20 be better if suffering were eliminated, but I can't relate to the idea of th= e=20 scientist or doctor as the eliminator of suffering. Or is it that you are=20 thinking only of disease and physical difference as forms of suffering? I=20 tend to think of suffering as something caused by other humans -- I tend to=20 think of the other animals as beings who don't suffer unless we cause them t= o=20 suffer or who perhaps suffer in their death throes but not much before. If=20 you want to know if suffering is of value, that's a different question. I=20 would prefer not to suffer and I would prefer that others not suffer even=20 more than I do -- to know that they do is horrible and makes me feel guilty.= =20 But there is no 'doctor' and to even fantasize one is to miss the point: th= e=20 doctor helps create suffering by presuming to know more about its forms than= =20 others do. My suffering has been of value to me partly because it has=20 rescued me from the doctors and their mechanistic view of reality. But I=20 don't think I should have had to suffer in order to find out what I know. --------- GIL OTT Answering this question can only be a matter of faith, replacing a spiritual= =20 entity with "science." I think the question is asked more playfully than=20 that, but I don't think there's any other way to honestly answer it. A poet=20 recognizes that it's one's suffering (or vulnerability) which determines=20 one's character - I recently read a passage in Rilke's Brigge reaffirming=20 this, though I can't locate the exact passage now - so the question itself i= s=20 moot. More likely: If the suffering person could escape his suffering, would= =20 he (which raises the nearly redundant: could he, and still be himself?)? A=20 point of honor among contemporary disability activists is that they would no= t=20 accept the cure for their conditions, were one concocted. Disregarding the=20 inexactitude of applied science, and the concomitant sufferings it inflicts=20 on subjects in pursuit of cures, the question becomes one of identity. Now ask me that question: Could science free me from the notion of identity,= =20 would I take the cure? But then, perhaps science, or some agency, would=20 necessarily supply me with a reliable identity to start with. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Of course this is a terrible idea! It can only lead to fascism. Those of us= =20 already walking the earth sans suffer block will be forced to suffer for=20 those who can't feel it. Camps. Torture. Entertainment. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Don't you think that a prevention from suffering would be a kind of sufferin= g=20 in itself? People with the implant would wander through a culture without th= e=20 possibility of empathy. What an alienating feeling!! Imagine the loneliness=20 when listening to cowboy songs about loneliness knowing that you do not know= =20 the loneliness they sing!! Having such an implant would probably be very=20 similar to watching war live on CNN. This week I saw a movie and the girl=20 said "I just want to feel loved" and the boy said "I just want to feel." And= =20 it seemed to sum things up in a nutshell. I wasn't even stoned when I saw it= =20 and I thought "I used to be the boy, but now I'm the girl." I think the=20 implant would keep us all on the boy's side of things. It's a terrible place= .=20 I'd rather be lonely than be lonely, if you know what I mean.=20 --------- QUESTION 2: There's a face of a poet on the kite you are flying over the city. Who is=20 this poet? When you reel them back from the wind what will you ask? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN Face of Steve Carey. Steve, how did you get here? --------- BUCK DOWNS well if it's my kite I must've painted drawn or ironed-on the poet's picture= =20 since it's not likely that I'll be buying any e.g., Jack Spicer regalia, or=20 anything else, at Toys-R-Us anytime soon. Was it Jack Spicer who said, "I think that I shall never cite a poem as lovely as a kite?" of course it wasn't. It was I, or actually, me. I hope I would have the perspicacity not to reel in the kite at all, but get= =20 it up to a way cool height & then cut the string, allowing the kite to crash= =20 in a faraway place like Baltimore or even Glen Burnie, where a youngun would= =20 find it & say, "did Jack Spicer run for President, or what?". --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Interesting: the form of this question=97-the delicacy, intimacy, and magica= l=20 quality of this imagined act=97-makes me think of the Chilean poet and artis= t=20 Cecilia Vicu=F1a. She grew up in Santiago, supported Allende's participator= y=20 socialist government, and lived in exile after Allende's murder and the long= =20 horror of Pinochet. "Thread" is a central figure=97-both material and=20 symbolic=97-in her poetry and installations. All of her work seems to be a k= ind=20 of "activation": making visible and visceral the reality that we are all=20 connected. It sounds so simple conceptually but it's so incredibly powerful= .=20 She's done installations where she has woven threads connecting two sides o= f=20 a street, or the opposite banks of a river, both below and above the water's= =20 surface. I've seen a photograph of an action she did in Bogata, Columbia, t= o=20 protest the distribution of contaminated milk. It was called "Vaso de=20 leche": she announced beforehand the time and location of her action. At th= e=20 appointed time, she pulled on a long piece of red yarn that was wrapped=20 around the a glass of milk, spilling it into the street. Then she wrote a=20 poem in the street: "The cow/is the continent/whose milk (blood)/ is spilt./= =20 What are we doing/ with life?" Cecilia says: "I look at things backwards, as= =20 they are going to look when I am gone. I have a very intense feeling that=20 what we do is already the remains of what we are doing. The dead water, our= =20 poems." So this is why your fascinating image of this face on a kite, held by a=20 string, floating over the city, reminds me of her. I'm not sure I can guess= =20 what words she'd say, perhaps some new instance of her practice of poetic=20 etymologies emerging from what she saw across Philly, breaking words apart=20 "so that their internal metaphors were exposed" and new paths of meaning=20 revealed. One of my favorite of these etymologies she's done:=20 "SOL-I-DAR-I-DAD (Give and give sun)." What spaces, what words would she=20 thread together in Philadelphia? --------- KEVIN KILLIAN The poet is Ronald Johnson, and when the kite comes back I'll ask that face,= =20 will you ever forgive me? --------- EILEEN MYLES Bob Kaufman. How did it feel? --------- ALICE NOTLEY No identifiable face -- it keeps changing. (No special poet.) The question= =20 I ask is awful. --------- GIL OTT The poet's face on my kite is Frank Samperi, reclusive when he was alive, bu= t=20 now deceased at least a decade. I would ask him to elaborate on the word=20 "procession," which he used to distinguish from "process." I imagine this=20 man's mind as pure witness, tuned to the essential deity of events, and so=20 endangered. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK It is the worn, defiant face of Osip Mandelstam. I read him "Nightsong" and=20 ask if American poets will likewise study the science of saying goodbye. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI The kite is a mirror that shows me I have no face. The kite asks, what are=20 you, little girl?=20 --------- QUESTION 3: You open a book that won't close. Maybe you accept it? Maybe you struggle=20 to close it? Each chapter is titled INSTRUCTIONS FOR POETS. Instead of=20 words a variety of strange shapes fill the pages. The last page is blank so= =20 you can communicate to other poets an idea you feel is vital. The only=20 requirement is that you use no words, but draw a picture instead. Describe=20 what you would draw. Explain the drawing if you want, although it might be=20 more interesting to let us figure it out. THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I would draw a three-dimensional cube. --------- BUCK DOWNS In the alternate universe from which this question comes and in which I can=20 draw with any efficacy at all, I would take yet another page from the Bill=20 Hicks playbook that is my practical guide to spiritual matters & draw a=20 picture of my parents fucking, in honor of the great creative power of cock=20= &=20 cunt that makes the human race go cat go. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN A book that won't close=97-another magical image, reminds me of my earliest=20 obsession with fairy tales. But I don't know what I would draw. If I can=20 pile magic upon magic here, perhaps this: a page of unidentified animal=20 sounds, actually heard when the page is touched. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN A drawing of a green fairy, sprung from the absinthe label, quickening silve= r=20 wings above the old city night sky, some would see it is of Kylie Minogue,=20 others will turn the page and end the book. --------- EILEEN MYLES It would be a bear trying to get his paw in a honey jar. --------- ALICE NOTLEY The drawing is of a human torso between the shoulders, throat area and just=20 below the navel. Above the navel are several holes, small rather blurred=20 circles in which one can see the remnants of letters of the alphabet without= =20 being able to make them out precisely. An upper curve of a P or B or R for=20 example, but what you see looks damaged as if the letter has been roughly=20 pulled out. One is not sure if there are four or five holes because one of=20 them is so faint. However, it is possible to see that the holes are=20 bleeding. One has the impression that a word has been ripped out of the=20 torso and what is left are the ghosts of letters, the ghost of a word. --------- GIL OTT This question is too cute. I am a poet, a writer, a word artist, and my=20 medium is words. Indeed, "strange shapes fill the pages" when I read, but=20 their articulation is verbal. In my experience, an image is a knot, a complex made of words that is untied through a visual synapse. If I am to=20 continue playing this game, I will offer the image of fire, not A fire, but=20 the Biblical or spiritual fire, that burns everywhere and consumes nothing. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Paging through this imaginary book, I imagine myself trapped in a prism- or=20 bouncing around a cylinder, like a nerd stuffed in a dryer. Maybe I'm=20 running the outside of a spinning wheel like a sequined circus vet. My page=20 would be simple- the outline of a thick, red arrow pointing to the top of th= e=20 page. Away from the map reader. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI A small dot slightly left of center. It looks like a perfect dot, but with a= =20 magnifying glass you can notice that the edges are uneven. Most importantly,= =20 the dot is so small you can easily pass over the page and assume it is empty= .=20 The title of the chapter is "The definition of poetry." --------- QUESTION 4: S.A.M., the three things Elizabeth Bishop believed made a satisfying poem: =20 Spontaneity, Accuracy, Mystery. How does this compare with what you look fo= r=20 in a poem? Or do you have an acronym of your own? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I don't know, I haven't known how to answer this one. I'm afraid that lookin= g=20 for satisfying elements would fuck with my head in a way that I'm not into,=20 at least not right now. I'm lately very interested in a quality or disqualit= y=20 of poems that makes readers uncomfortable, even scared. But the poem still=20 has to be alive, and that does take skill, if not necessarily technical=20 skill. Skill of word by word awareness of all that juice you and I know poem= s=20 may have. Maybe that is a technical skill, like attentiveness being a=20 technical skill, or kindness(?) -- another set of questions there. I know a=20 lot of very intelligent poets who know what it is their poems are doing, and= =20 have a lot of interesting things to say about poetry, other peoples' poems.=20 But their poems are weaker than their ideas, essays, theories, and I find=20 myself not wanting to engage. As for S.A.M., the idea of spontaneity as=20 something to look for strikes me as passive-aggressive. I now want to say=20 that I look for poems that are as fucked up as people, but that doesn't soun= d=20 right either. I like music. I got told that was simplistic once by a guy=20 poet, but I'm a simple person. --------- BUCK DOWNS hmm how about SPAM (SILENT POWERS ALL MINE) well one person's Mystery is another's Empty Ritualism, and Elizabeth Bishop= =20 seems about as spontaneous as Halley's Comet, I mean really. But then perhap= s=20 she sought those things because she knew from her own poetry how they are=20 forever in short supply. Since I don't teach and I don't learn, I feel relatively freed from the need= =20 to be consistent or coherent in what I seek & all such as that; & indeed, if= =20 all or most of what I got from a poem conformed to what I was "looking for",= =20 wouldn't that be like changing socks twelve times a day for variety, &=20 shouldn't I just quit. But I was thinking about the death of Jeff Buckley again this weekend after=20 "Mojo Pin" came up on the old shuffler. The mysterious flavor of Jeff's=20 predicament arouses me whenever I think about it, to be misunderstood so=20 thoroughly, so terminally; as though the soul of 29-year-old Freddie Mercury= =20 woke up one morning to find itself trapped in the 45-year-old body of Bob=20 Dylan. What a curse! to go to bed supple and sexy and powerful, and wake up= =20 profound and appreciated and old. It's hard to imagine what E.B. wanted to get over in formulating her S.A.M.;= =20 I would tend to dismiss it as cheap pedagogy. But mnemonics are for the=20 givers of tests and grades, and so are not of any real concern to poets and=20 poetry. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I'm friends with spontaneity and mystery, though I'm not sure about accuracy= .=20 This is the kind of question that's quite dependent on mood. And I love th= e=20 activity=97-reminds me of Lee Ann Brown's _Polyverse_. Here are two (I had t= o=20 stop, I could go on forever): SCRIPT SCRIPT Surprise Caressing Reverberate Inciting Plurals Tender Scrappy Capacious Runaway Intersecting Potent Traffic or, together: Scrappy Surprise Capacious Caressing Reverberate Runaway Inciting Intersecting Potent Plurals Tender Traffic --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I'm not particular about accuracy, and spontaneity is an illusion isn't it,=20 the great artifice of Bishop's own poetry, which so many seem to like so=20 much, and that precisely introduces the element of mystery, so it seems like= =20 a fine definition viewed at in one light. She's so articulate, she makes me= =20 feel like the fuzz that rises off of an old dead dandelion. --------- EILEEN MYLES I like legibility, pace and artifice. --------- ALICE NOTLEY I look for Truthfulness, Relevance, and Great Skill. They do not make a goo= d=20 acronym. --------- GIL OTT Sounds good to me. I wouldn't second-guess another poet's criteria for=20 satisfaction. But what I look for in my reading anymore isn't satsifaction;=20= I=20 want the writing to spur me to write. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK D- directness E- engaging the world of objects & of souls R- redirection A- action, verb attention I- illumination L- liberation --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I think that I probably would agree with Bishop, though I do not know what=20 she means exactly by "spontaneity," "accuracy" and "mystery." I only imagine= =20 that I know what she means. I haven't read an essay or anything. When I'm at= =20 a reading my "liking" or not "liking" is usually answered by my snide "he=20 ain't got no music" or "she ain't got no music." But music is more than soun= d=20 or more accurately meaning is not separate from sound.=20 --------- QUESTION 5: All day long whenever you open your mouth a song comes out. Maybe you get=20 used to it. Maybe you want to adjust the bass or treble. But what is this=20 song? If there are lyrics, is there a particular line you want the world to= =20 hear come out of you? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN It would be something like Joe Strummer's incomprehensible singing; you'd=20 have to be willing to feel it in order for it to be anything for you. This i= s=20 similar to my feeling about drawing the three-dimensional cube: I drew that=20 because it's the only thing I can draw. I can't sing, so I relate to=20 Strummer's singing, and I love it anyway, and his lyrics, even though I=20 discover that I've imagined them wrong from time to time. Then I just have=20 two possibilities for the line instead of one, which is how i like to=20 approach lines anyway, at least. I've almost always had crappy radios so I=20 can't say much about bass or treble. The basis for my music has always been=20 incompetence of a sort, and music. --------- BUCK DOWNS The hoot about this, as well as one of the bona-fides that prove my=20 freakhood, is that this question pretty accurately describes my daily life=20 for the past twenty years or more. All day long whenever I open my mouth, a=20 song does come out. This happens most intensely when I am walking; in=20 converse of the old joke, it seems I must "walk and chew gum" at the same=20 time, or I won't get down the street. This despite the fact that my voice to= =20 me sounds like a fifty-fifty blend of Martha Raye in her Polident years and=20 Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon. This morning I had one of the wickedest ear-worms known to man: the guitar=20 solo leading into the second chorus of "I Love A Rainy Night" by Eddie=20 Rabbit, as thoroughly muddled and irreparable a song as could be heard on AM= =20 radio in the last thirty years. Later, sweet relief, it was fragments of=20 "Testify" by Ronnie Wood, but as if it were sung to the tune of "Mustt Mustt= "=20 by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party. Or sounded like that to me, who knows what= =20 it sounded like to anyone outside of my head. "Imagination," as Chet Baker=20 once sang, "is funny." I used to be ashamed of this habit when I was a kid, because most everybody=20 who ever heard me do it either made fun of me or they put the glad hand on m= e=20 about how I should join the chorus, the choir, the whatever; stupid pimps,=20 always trying to sell you a stupid job. But, you know, shame is for chumps;=20 and every day is another opportunity to get the fuck over it already. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Oh god, this actually happens to me all the time. I have songs in my head=20 that I sing and that can fill me up for hours. I can't really describe the=20 lyrics I sing in these moments=97-maybe a few English or Tamil words in the=20 mix, but strangely for the most part, they're not really words in any=20 language that I can identify. (I sometimes joke that it=92s "fake Hindi").=20= =20 It's more a matter of melodies that stick in my head and syllables that ride= =20 across them. A kind of folksong=97something you can sing in a group=97clap=20= your=20 hands to=97-or weep strongly to=97-a simple stanzaic structure, but punchy=20 words/rhythm, lines ending in vowels. Within the group singing, moments of=20 call-and-response, join and depart. Sometimes the same songs recur, weeks=20 apart, innocently. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN Oh, I'm too shy to sing in public . . . Maybe in the shower. --------- EILEEN MYLES he whistled and he sang and the green woods rang --------- ALICE NOTLEY There is no song that comes out of me. My head is full of the shitty lyrics= =20 of others, countless songs, I wish I didn't know so many. I have a fear of=20 dying with my mind playing some hideous Beatles song or an ancient show tune= .=20 I don't think song lyrics should be memorable. --------- GIL OTT (...) --------- FRANK SHERLOCK "Minstrel Boy" is an Irish traditional song that can carry me through just=20 about anything. It's an amazing idea, to walk the streets of Philadelphia=20 with the bagpipes moaning out my mouth. I'm partial to a recent version of=20 the song by Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI These are the words I can remember from the last few days. Name the songs an= d=20 win a prize: "Puerto Rican Jane, o won't you tell me what's your name," "And= =20 Mary Lou, she learned how to cope, she rides the heaven on a gyroscope, the=20 daily news asks her for the dope, she says, man, the dope's that there's=20 still hope", "I said I'm hurt. Honey, she said, let me heal it." "Man that=20 ain't oil that's blood," "I guess I really dug her I was too loose to think"= ,=20 "Hey bus driver keep the change, bless your children, give them names", "Let= =20 the broken-hearted love again!!," "Did you hear that the cops finally busted= =20 madam Marie for telling fortunes better than they do, for me this boardwalk=20 life's through, you ought quit this scene too." And each line comes one at a= =20 time upon waking and grinds like a washing machine as if the words were the=20 window for the day. Maybe that's why there's been so much "that ain't oil,=20 that's blood". --------- QUESTION 6: IS THIS AN EXCITING TIME FOR POETRY!? PLEASE EXPLAIN! THANK YOU! (or=20 explain why it is not) THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN This is an exciting time for poetry, to me. But I always think it is an=20 exciting time for poetry, no matter the realities present. I started writing= =20 poems and being involved with poetry in part because of that excitement and=20 the fact that it felt and feels timeless and immediate at once. I do not car= e=20 about the apparatus of publishing, or the local politics, or the attendant=20 map-making and map-burning that go on within poetry communities and circles=20 in the face of this question. Time is exciting, devastating and cruel, yes,=20 and there is kindness in there, and joy -- any particular time contains thes= e=20 things. Poetry allows me to see it. Not to see it better, more clearly, etc.= ,=20 but to see it at all, I think sometimes. Time, the times, anyone's times.=20 Poetry is never not there, despite rampant claims otherwise, or, more to the= =20 point, despite no claims for or against, in many places. Poetry is older tha= n=20 money, and fresher than money. And lately I am excited by and for poetry=20 because I do not want to see it be anything defined by "our times" or "the=20 times", which cannot be owned, like poetry.=20 --------- BUCK DOWNS well you get the times you get & you can get excited about it why do I continue to remember Ms. Dabney who in 8th Grade covered an entire=20 blackboard with the words 'ONLY THE BORING ARE BORED' Ah well it keeps me=20 entertained. As poetry's social obsolescence has become nearly complete some 100+ years=20 after the advent of recorded sound, I feel pretty good, freed as I am from=20 the tale of the tribe, unacknowledged legislation, arms and the man, and all= =20 the rest of the pre-20th Century crap that has been foisted upon poets by th= e=20 collected cops priests and teachers of the race, who have always resented th= e=20 fact that poets get to talk right to god all the time, no vows, no training,= =20 no tenure required. The load of social relevance, poorly-borne for centuries by poets and poetry= ,=20 has been taken up by the media, thanks, and the newspapers and their=20 generations of broadcast descendents have wonderfully siphoned all social=20 obligation out of the making of poems. The politicization of literacy has,=20 despite itself, been quite a helpmate too, since poets no longer have any=20 reason to teach anyone how to read in the wake of government monopolization=20 of the education industry. So all told it seems like a great deal if you have no aspirations to boss=20 others around. Poets no longer have to do any of the cultural shit-work tha= t=20 they have been forced to do for centuries in order to make their way in=20 society, and or but they still get to make poems, talk to god, get real high= ,=20 & about two or three other things that make being alive so very cool to begi= n=20 with. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Yes, definitely! There's such a proliferation of kinds of poetries that=20 people can encounter now. So many language traditions and evolving=20 practices, sonic propensities, cultural contexts, nows/thens, oral/aural,=20 pictorial, pixeled, parchment, palm leaf. . . And movements in many countrie= s=20 have been challenging the class/color/communal/gender lines within their=20 cultural spheres. I think for people who are aware of this intense spectrum= =20 of activity, it might also make them anxious in some way, either because of=20 loss of previously held power, or simply because people need sustainable=20 communities, and the continuity that underlies real conversations. Of=20 course, global and local power imbalances on the language/culture front will= =20 affect the way any interactions occur, but I'm interested in seeing where=20 these crossings take us. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I'm excited. There were a few years in the doldrums in the late 80s and=20 early 90s, when it seemed that everything was just being done to death, and=20 the people who were experimenting in prose were miles and miles ahead of the= =20 poets (excuse me for casting this in the form of a competitive trope like=20 CHARIOTS OF FIRE). And then something turned around and I began to notice=20 immediate, local, grass roots signs of a rebirth of poetry, here in San=20 Francisco at any rate. There was a lot of excitement, stemming as usual fro= m=20 the young poets who were going to school at New College, at UC Berkeley, and= =20 at San Francisco State, as well, of course, as a larger group without any=20 academic affiliation, these homogenous lumps of people suddenly met up,=20 collided, brokered up, reformatted, and, I think changed the nature of poetr= y=20 here in the Bay Area. With this new generation came a subsequent return to=20 status of an older, unfairly occluded and in some cases half-asleep=20 generation whom the new kids took as their models and teachers, Whalen,=20 Kyger, Clark, Berkson, not only the Bolinas bunch but a dozen others as well= .=20 Someone should write a book, or better yet create a documentary that would=20 trace the sociological roots of this renaissance. With Helen Mirren as Lyn=20 Hejinian, Ashton Kutcher as Anselm Berrigan,Casey Affleck as Adam DeGraff,=20 Michelle Rodriguez as Renee Gladman, Johnny Depp as Travis Ortiz, and Ian=20 McKellen as Philip Lamantia. --------- EILEEN MYLES Well, we're in a very conservative repressive time and poetry can always get= =20 up on its hind legs and speak and the temptation to say the wrong thing is=20 there, and so you can do that or not, I mean there's a lot of choices and I=20 say we're living in a state of active complexity, so yeah I think I have to=20 agree, it is an exciting time for poetry. Dive in. --------- ALICE NOTLEY I don't care if it's an exciting time for poetry or not. Though I wonder=20 what it's like for the poets in Ethiopia right now. =20 --------- GIL OTT The only "exciting" times for poetry are those when the art permits the=20 illusion of progress: either when the scales fall from my own eyes and I wr ite, well, without obstruction, or those glorious moments when I perform and= =20 click with the crowd. These are both personal excitements, and I think you'r= e=20 asking about the collective. There the illusion of power is magnified, but=20 its beauty is diluted. The community of poets grows diverse and accepting of= =20 its diversity. This, I do believe, is happening in Philadelphia. But while a= =20 crowd is necessary for an audience, it grows oxymoronic when applied to=20 poetry, which is intrinsically individual. Back to my statement about=20 diversity. Tolerance, cultivation, eagerness for diversity, these are the=20 only collective strengths of poetry. The community in Philadelphia was long=20 balkanized, but is putting that behind itself, and that is exciting. FRANK SHERLOCK This is very exciting time for poetry! More poets than ever before-more=20 styles. More style integration. Less Cold War leftover=20 new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss bunk. To the chagrin of select elders looking=20 for direct overthrow attempts (for relevance confirmation), today's poets=20 take influence & move in their own direction- albeit outside the established= =20 framework. This is an exciting time & an important time, particularly in the United=20 States. A "war without end" has begun. The American poet is much more likely= =20 to suffer a civil liberty attack from John Ashcroft than s/he is to be=20 attacked from Al Qeda. The coming years promise to be even more exciting in=20= a=20 dark & vital time. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Any time is an exciting time if you're in a room alone or with people and=20 excited. --------- QUESTION 7: Are you living in the same geographic region of your childhood? If so, how=20 does this affect your poetry? If not, is that location still relevant to=20 your poetry? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I am currently living about five blocks from where I grew up in Manhattan's=20 East Village. The fact of living here does not affect my poetry, although I=20 have noticed in considering this question that I haven't written as much her= e=20 as I did in Brooklyn, San Francisco or Buffalo (11-12 years that period,=20 covering 1989-2000) -- but that is incidental so far, I think. The location=20 is still relevant to my poetry as a source of personal shaping, tho' the=20 neighborhood was different when I was growing up (more families, more=20 dangerous, more politicized, less expensive; somewhat kinder). I did not lik= e=20 this area when I was 16, and I don't think that has much to do with anything= =20 but me at that age, and our small apartment. My tendencies to like people=20 (individuals, as opposed to the species; like Swift, in a sense) and to look= =20 at them are highly shaped by living in this area along with being brought up= =20 by parents who were very open people, in a community-oriented sense. God dam= n=20 people coming through the apt. every day. This is built into my poetry. Also= ,=20 we had a railroad apt. of four rooms for a family of four, which meant not a= =20 lot of space. Consequently I read a lot, though I might have done so anyway,= =20 and I learned to be comfortable in my head (for privacy), and to search=20 around its edges (tho' I never would have put it that way until now), which=20 is also built into the poems, I think, or has been a constant source of=20 poetic incitement (is that a word?). I tend to feel incited into writing, as= =20 opposed to inspired or agitated. This neighborhood does all of those things=20 to a person who spends substantial time here, however.=20 --------- BUCK DOWNS I grew up in a part of the southern U.S. (Florida below Lake Okeechobee) tha= t=20 has enjoyed a rather retarded integration with the antebellum Union, Dixie,=20 and the reconstructed postwar States in turn, and in fact has not been overl= y=20 friendly to human development as far back as the Micosukee. Of course, some=20 ten years plus after the build-through of I-75 and the expansion of Alligato= r=20 Alley through the Everglades, the predecessor landscape has knuckled under t= o=20 subsidized agriculture and luxury residential construction. So where I grew=20 up no longer exists in every relevant sense except for a resuidual taxonomy=20 of older roadways &c. My people are not from there at all, but from Mississippi, specifically Jone= s=20 County, whose slight claim to historicity [sic] is a secession against the=20 secession [a.k.a. THE FREE STATE OF JONES], led not by anti-slavery=20 ideologues or pro-Union crypto-nationalists, but by straight fucking cracker= s=20 who saw both Feds and Confeds as rolling up to screw them over. So whichever of these places I am from it is all about place out of place,=20 intuitive and rational senses of stepping out of the national or community=20 sync to do the necessary work of covering your own business. And the=20 discovery that every described place is nowhere, that it always already no=20 longer exists, or only exists in a fatuous dream, or only exists as a social= =20 limit of the allowed, or only exists in "advertising and term papers", to=20 quote Dave Hickey (again). --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I've lived in Philly for the past 7 or 8 years, so no. I grew up in West=20 Virginia. It's such an interesting question for me=97I haven't really thoug= ht=20 about the physical geography consciously in relation to my poetry, although= =20 I'm sure some level of influence still operates. But I can say that one of=20 the most important moments for me as a poet was finding and reading Muriel=20 Rukeyser's stunning documentary poem, "The Book of the Dead" written in 1938= =20 after she traveled to West Virginia to investigate the story behind the esc alating numbers of deaths from silicosis of mine workers in Hawk's Nest and=20 Gauley Bridge. It's a breathtaking poem that both exposes the complicity of= =20 Union Carbide and its local subsidiary in the miners' deaths and registers=20 the landscape and people with passionate integrity. The crazy thing is that= =20 I never heard of this poem while I was growing up in West Virginia=97I read=20= it=20 for the first time in my senior year of college in Boston. Why wasn't it=20 taught in every high school in the state?? But as fate would have it, I=20 spent the year after college back in West Virginia doing domestic violence=20 work in Sutton, just an hour from Hawk's Nest, where there's now a beautiful= =20 state park. On a trip to the park, I found a sign that mentioned the site o= f=20 the old mine, but no mention of what happened there. (And this was national= =20 news in its time, Congressional investigations were held, etc.). I think=20 that experience, the embodied re-experiencing of a landscape first=20 encountered through a poem=97-and the simultaneously visceral consciousness=20= of=20 an erased history=97-changed my relationship to West Virginia, gave me a dee= per=20 sense of locatedness, and gave me a shifted context for my own memories of=20 growing up there. My strange experience of racial identity/consciousness is also strongly=20 shaped by the West Virginia context. The state is something like 97% white.= =20 I have repeated vivid childhood experiences of explaining that I was=20 "Indian," and being greeted with racist miming gestures/ "war cries" that=20 enacted TV stereotypes of Native Americans. "Not that kind of Indian," I=20 would say. But almost no one, not even adults, in my early childhood world=20 even knew that India was a country. (That began to change after the movie=20 _Gandhi_, which came out when I was in 3rd grade). Now I see that those=20 moments of "mistaken identity" forced open a different trajectory of=20 connection and solidarity for me. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN No, when I was a boy I lived on Long Island's North Shore, and today I live=20 South of Market in San Francisco. This transposition, from Northerner to=20 Southerner, gave me more freedom to write. There it was always a question o= f=20 duelling influences, Whitman whose mall I used to cruise on Saturdays, O'Har= a=20 who was run over on Fire Island a few miles from the house of the Amityville= =20 Horror. Walking home from school I met an old man who implied that in his=20 own youth he had been the boyfriend of our town's famous novelist, Owen=20 Wister who wrote "The Virginian." You long-legged son-of-a- If you wanna=20 call me that, then smile. With a gun in my belly, I always smile. --------- EILEEN MYLES No, the region of my childhood is totally irrelevant. I'm looking at a=20 different landscape at this moment and the more you sit with another set of=20 conditions, the more you find yourself in a different poem. I want to be in=20= a=20 different poem. --------- ALICE NOTLEY At the moment, mentally, when I write I am living in the exact same=20 geographic location I grew up in. I am writing about Alma, who is god along= =20 with various other women who are god, and the dead women, all the women who=20 have lived and died and anyone alive who qualifies as a dead woman. I am a=20 dead woman for example. There are also a few men among the dead women . =20 After an exasperating time in the first book of it, trying to vindicate the=20 rights of all the women who have ever lived, and then being confronted with=20 the sheer maleness of the War on Terror, the bombing of Afghanistan and=20 coming war against Iraq, the dead women have decided to relocate in a gully=20 in my home town. That is a long preliminary answer. I grew up in the Mohav= e=20 Desert, in Needles California, and I still live there in my head at the same= =20 time as I live in international cities. It is a town that has been vilified= =20 by many writers in single sentences; and Leslie Marmon Silko has burnt it=20 down in a novel; but I think it is the most beautiful place in the world. I= =20 live in the gully of dead women, behind the wrecked Rec Center, with a lot o= f=20 burrowing owls and such. --------- GIL OTT Yes, I came up in suburban Philadelphia, and so was implanted early with a=20 fake rural ideal, which succumbed in adolescence to a yearning for true=20 intellectual community. I never found this community in the university, and=20 my early poetry is informed by those twin desires: idealized rural and=20 alienated urban. What community I subsequently discovered, and has in time=20 come to fill those gaps, is more international. Naturally, place is formativ= e=20 of any writing, even in suppression. In my adult years, the city proper, its= =20 decadence and its diversity, have provided the material of my writing. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK I have remained in the area where I grew up. The urban image & thematic=20 patterns of the city run through my poems, not so much as a matter of=20 intention- but of my personal factual base. It's what I have to work with. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I'm too close to home, like a failed American dream. I keep looking to some=20 horizon but the rising rents are starting to block the sun. It keeps the son= g=20 sad and reaching.=20 --------- QUESTION 8: How does the oral tradition fit into your poems? And/or how not? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN The oral tradition, as I understand it, is built in to my writing and readin= g=20 of poems. Basically, and most broadly, everything I write that gets shaped=20 into poetry must work aloud. That means several, at least, different things;= =20 not all of which I can articulate at the moment. But I edit in part by=20 reading the work out loud, and it has to finally work on the page and as a=20 spoken piece of poetry for me to feel like something is done, and done well=20 enough to take outside the parameters of my own attention. I love reading=20 poems out loud, whether someone is there or not. The art of poetry as an ora= l=20 practice is one that I feel deeply connected to -- understanding that I was=20 raised around poetry as a spoken as well as a written art. The theatrical=20 performance of poems or poetic monologues, spoken word and slam=20 poetry/poetics, rap (music and freestyle), the many types of blues music I'v= e=20 been exposed to, certain modes of standup comedy, informal storytelling (and= =20 I'm sure I'm leaving some things out) -- all of these have influenced my=20 listening, writing, and reading habits and practices in heavy ways. But you=20 know, anyone who pays attention to how sounds come out of their mouth is=20 interesting to me. So I take it as inherent to my work that there's an oral=20 quality I need to attend to no matter what kind of practice I'm engaged in,=20 i.e. even the most wacked out experiment or straightforward narrative has to= =20 work sonically, with a wide range in mind, deliberately, as to what I mean b= y=20 "work". I consider every reading to an audience a performance, even if I'm=20 just gonna stand there and read, which is generally what I do. But what the=20 voice does in conjunction with the work makes for a performance, for me, so=20= I=20 try to work it as hard as I can to make for as good a performance as I can.=20 And I know for a fact that all I need is my poems and my voice to give=20 something to the audience, which has nothing necessarily to do with what the= y=20 are looking for (other than a reading itself), that they can take with them.= =20 I like to perform, I like to read poems that I have read before (they always= =20 sound different), and I like to interact with an audience. These facts of my= =20 practice are, in my way of thinking, connected to the, or an, oral tradition= .=20 The history of the oral tradition is something that I feel I will be learnin= g=20 my entire life, as well, and that needs to be said. Much of what I know has=20 to do with the English language and certain components of African traditions= =20 (for instance, it was very important for me to have someone explain at a=20 certain point that alliteration was more of an early basis for poetry in=20 English than rhyme - which was imported - largely as a device to make=20 stories, poems, etc. easier to remember and pass on in a pre-writing age),=20 and that is limiting (gotta work on it).=20 --------- BUCK DOWNS Well I can start with the luxury of having thrown away my four previous=20 answers to this question to say isn't it great we are no longer hemmed in by= =20 the limits on human achievement that reside in the "oral tradition" -- If you mean homer cavalcanti & all the pre-typewriter stuff resusciatated an= d=20 greenhoused for the sake of Western Civilization and its curators well sure=20 anyone who hasn't done their homework is just a slob. But at the same time=20 the lost world is the lost world & I for one am in no hurry to get it back.=20 Orality is either an obsolete distribution channel or a skeleton key with=20 which one may elude the ruthless commodification and trivialization of=20 spiritual values that results from a print-publishing teleology, or both.=20 Whichever. To paraphrase Ted Berrigan, if I really believe in it, I can't=20 really talk about it. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I think the oral tradition/impulse is at the base of everything I do. All o= f=20 those earliest experiences of aural meaning that are so deeply inscribed: =20 lullabies, babytalk, Sanskrit chants, Tamil songs (both traditional=20 devotionals and popular Tamil cinema songs), bilingual puns, the way=20 something in your body changes when you switch languages, nursery rhymes,=20 jump-rope rhymes . . . In terms of poetic composition, I definitely write=20 both for the ear and the eye (love that linebreak!), but the spoken/heard=20 dimension tends to come first in the sequence of my writing process. Sound=20 captivates me and pushes me on. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I think it's the other way round and the tradition is too big to fit into th= e=20 poems, and yet the poems seem to fit into the tradition very comfortably. =20 Huge goblet with room for all kinds of brandied waters, blood. --------- EILEEN MYLES Oh I think my poem is a magnetic tape of the oral tradition. Since I only=20 imagine in the technology of my time I think of the poem as a gleaming strip= e=20 of highly sensitive material that is somehow marked by every quiver of the=20 fluting human voice just the breathing and the grunts and fullblown words an= d=20 phrases and the absence of sound of any sort, no wind hits the mirror, but=20 all of it I think is oral I think because these electronic impressions are=20 stuck on the tape by the idea of the voice as it narrates I'm sorry now the=20 technological aspect might be wrong-headed possibly digital but the gleaming= =20 stripe seems more genital than say digital. I wonder why we are so damn fixe= d=20 on the oral as the appropriate organ of poetry when it could be obviously as= =20 cerebral cardiovascular and genital. it all seems related and if you want to= =20 give it to the oral, go ahead. The oral tradition. I mean why not give it to= =20 the ass. The mouth or the lips or the throat are just the metonymically=20 assigned organs when in fact the practice comes from all of it and seemingly= =20 in live poetry practice only huffs out orally last, like shitting. --------- ALICE NOTLEY Which oral tradition do you mean? My poems contain great sounds and tones=20 and rhythmic figures; they sound terrific when I read them. They are meant=20 to be read on the page aloud mentally. I am utterly influenced, in my=20 writing, by the fact that I give poetry readings. I don't feel as if I=20 belong to any tradition in this respect except for the general tradition of=20 the performer for smallish audiences. I am thinking a lot, at the moment,=20 about a flamenco singer named Tia Anica, who didn't begin to perform until=20 she was in her fifties. I think I have to begin again. --------- GIL OTT I guess I have to turn the question around and ask: What is the "oral=20 tradition?" I usually think of it in Western terms as the mnemonic devices i= n=20 rhyme and meter, which enabled the Greeks to remember and pass on such epics like the Odyssey. This tradition flowered in the lyric of= =20 the troubadours. But I actually think the "oral tradition" in contemporary=20 American poetry is more influenced by African and Caribbean poetries/musics. However conceived, the oral -- spoken or sung -- is essential to any poetry;= =20 concrete poetry is really more of a visual art. Naturally, within that=20 concept are many, many divisions, thus the great diversity and richness of=20 poetry today. The big divider today seems to be "Is it for the page, or for=20 the voice?" I could say I've written both, though the very notion of=20 page-bound poetry is a fallacy. It will always be voiced, even if silently.=20 (This is an admission that I still move my lips when I read!) I could also=20 say that even when I write narrative or other prose forms, I am always aware= =20 of the music of the words, and the rhetorical, and spiritual, power of that=20 music. So in the end, I'd say my answer to the question is: to degrees. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK I'm paraphrasing an Alan Gilbert version of the poetics of orality (from an=20 upcoming essay in FENCE), & it goes something like, "Poetry can never be=20 separated from either its utterance or reception." Certainly not a brand-ne= w=20 idea, but it's the latest manifestation that caught my ear. Poetry for me is= =20 processed in a kind of Homeric, Burnsian, B.I.G. manner. The oral tradition=20 is bona fide alive & I choose not to separate myself from it. But that's jus= t=20 me. Many poet friends I know choose to hone their work in relative solitude.= =20 To them I say godspeed & give me a holler once you're away from the desk. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I use my mouth a lot.=20 --------- QUESTION 9: Write a letter to president George W. Bush. THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN After sitting and writing a letter to George W. Bush, and even sending it of= f=20 to CA to include in this piece, I felt foul and cheap. I only want to speak=20 to the people who will be reading this, not to him -- a man of whom it has=20 been said on CNN, "Even if there was zero percent support for invading Iraq=20 the President would go forward anyway because he believes it is the right=20 thing to do." I utterly reject this man's principles and morals, and his=20 version of life; and I reject the terms of this reality that has been impose= d=20 upon us by ages of war and greed. It represents a total failure of=20 imagination, and our consciousness, collectively, needs to be rebuilt -- a=20 practical need of the species, as a matter of fact. That is the work I am=20 interested in, beyond the immediate necessity of opposing war in all of its=20 forms. Bush is just the most current visible by-product of this failure, and= =20 can go fuck himself. --------- BUCK DOWNS Dear Mr. President: I am a poet, arguably the greatest since Shakespeare, an= d=20 I am writing you today to ask if Camp David would be available for my use at= =20 any time in the next twelve months or so. My regular job has kept me pretty much on the hustle non-stop for the last=20 five years, and it has been hard to devote the necessary time and energy to=20 my poetry while holding up my end at work. I'd like to be able to take a=20 break for a month or so & relax & catch up on my writing. Camp David is near= =20 my home here in D.C., & so it would be an ideal place for me to retreat for=20 say 3-5 weeks. There I would be able to concentrate on reviewing and=20 completing an initial draft of my next book of poems, to be called JONES=20 COUNTY. I know that when you are at the presidential retreat, it is a time to=20 recharge, reflect, and return to Washington better able to fulfill your=20 duties as President. It is that kind of experience I would like to enjoy at=20 Camp David, and perhaps in some way even capture and preserve in my poetry.=20= I=20 also know that Camp David is primarily set up to provide you and your family= =20 the privacy they need, and I would not want to interfere with that purpose.=20 So I would be interested in making use of Camp David at any time or times of= =20 the year when you are not actually using it. I can drive, cook, and shop for myself, so the impact of my visit on your=20 staff could be reduced to nearly nil. I am gainfully employed, but not withi= n=20 the precincts of academia; this means that other traditional writers=20 residencies, such as Bread Loaf or McDowell, are not available to me. I=20 believe that an opportunity to visit and create at Camp David would result i= n=20 new poetic work for America and would reflect well on your administration's=20 affection for literature and the arts. If you want to find out more about me, you can simply type "Buck Downs" into= =20 Google & browse through the results. To discuss the availability of Camp=20 David, I can be reached at the address below. Thank you for your time, Mr. President. I look forward to hearing from you. Buck Downs Box 53318 Washington, DC 20009 --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN DEAR KING GEORGE W(AR) Cant write cant=20 sew cant stop=20 cant grow cant=20 cry cant constitute cant count cant=20 route cant right=20 a letter by sacrifice the alphabet --------- KEVIN KILLIAN President Bush, how I wish that Bill Clinton were still in office. I always= =20 liked him and you just seem dumb. You make everyone look bad with your=20 relentless paranoia and your greed. Dismantle the war apparatus, oh, but yo= u=20 can't. Soon we'll have nowhere to go and the lessons of the 20th century=20 will all be unlearned. You remind me of the mad Nazarene with the demonic=20 spirit in the pig from the New Testament. That must be the one parable you=20 didn't pick up at Amherst or wherever it was. To you I feel that I must=20 speak in very short sentences. Lots of periods. Bye. --------- EILEEN MYLES Dear George, [Text unavailable. Poet felt unable to assemble language when confronted wit= h=20 the opportunity to speak to this "man." Poet thought of lips around the mout= h=20 of "president" which resembled mass grave. Saw shifting selfish eyes of=20 college gang-banger. Poet feels there is no possible conversation with perso= n=20 who recently delivered supercilious state of the union "address."] Truly, Eileen --------- ALICE NOTLEY No. I declared him dead -- a spiritual vacuity -- at the end of my talk on=20 The Iliad and Postmodern War. I have no interest in expressing my opinions=20 to him because he isn't there. --------- GIL OTT 427 Carpenter Lane Philadelphia PA 19119 George W. Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington DC 7 February 2003 Mr. Bush: First, let me point out a few things: 1) You were not a popularly-elected President. You did not gain a majority o= f=20 votes in the 2000 election, and the only way you received a majority of=20 Electoral College votes was through the political bias of a discredited Supreme Court. 2) Your domestic programs - policies toward the environment, women's rights,= =20 affirmative action, worker's rights, and civil rights in general - run=20 against the grain of the American experience of the past 60 years. 3) Your disdain for the common wealth in favor of privilege is bankrupting=20 the country. 4) Your unilateralism in international affairs, and your apparent dismissal=20 of even the most moderate differences of opinion has brought the world to th= e=20 edge of worldwide conflagration. Pretty impressive. How do you do it? You, more than any terrorist group, hav= e=20 benefited from the events of 9/11/01. You have shamelessly utilized that=20 tragedy as a spectacle, playing it over and over again in order to diminish=20 debate, confuse the public, and thereby cover your actions. Mr. Bush, I believe in the future. I refuse to engage in the dialogue that=20 will shape that future by utilizing the rhetoric which you and your handlers= =20 have created. It would be better for all of us if you would simply admit you= r=20 failures and get out of the way. Good bye. Gil Ott --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Dear George II: Thomas Paine will haunt you when you're gone. I may feel sorry for you=20 someday, but not today or tomorrow. Good luck, Frank Sherlock --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Dear Mr. Bush, How come you think that we're just a bunch of dumb hippies in the streets?=20 I'm not dumb at all. In fact, your machine paid for my Fulbright scholarship= .=20 That's when I learned what capitalism was. When I got back from Berlin, I=20 walked out onto Times Square and the lights were so bright, I had to hide in= =20 the public library. After I stop the war, I want to sue Nike, Pringles and=20 Cup 'O Soup for taking up space in my brain without paying rent. But back to stupid. This is what I think is stupid. 1)Occupying an Arab=20 nation for 5-10 years and trying to build a democracy. You say you want to=20 protect Americans, but occupying Iraq is a little or a lot like colonization= =20 and would make a great recruitment ad campaign for Osama. Meanwhile, you=20 haven't managed to send any security funds to any cities. We're all having t= o=20 pay for our own duct tape. And anyhow, the colonizer always loses. Remember,= =20 we used to be a colony. 2)The fact that you got to be president. I should=20 have really said this first, but I'm not in the mood to cut and paste. But=20 seriously, this is the whole problem. 3)The fact that people think I'm not=20 American because I think it's stupid that you're president. In fact, this=20 bothers me so much that at protests I've started waving an unaltered America= n=20 flag when I yell "Drop Bush, Not Bombs." 4)Giving 30 Billion dollars a year=20 to Israel 5)Writing mandatory public school reforms and then not giving=20 states the money to implement them. There are more things that I think are=20 stupid, but I don't want to overwhelm you. I think it's very smart that you don't teach people to read in this country.= =20 It makes it easier for them to like you. Fox news has those great little=20 slogans, so the people don't have to read. They can just love you and hate=20 everything else. Between the taxes and the war I've come to think you're evil incarnate. Sincerely, Magdalena Zurawski --------- ABOUT THE POETS: ANSELM BERRIGAN's lated book ZERO STAR HOTEL is available from http://www.aerialedge.com/zero.h= tm BUCK DOWNS lives and works in Washington, DC. His first book, marijuana=20 softdrink., is available from Edge Books http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm MYTILI JAGANNATHAN lives in Philadelphia, where she has been actively=20 involved in the community arts work of the Asian Arts Initiative over the=20 past five years. Her poems have appeared in _Combo_, _Interlope_,=20 _XConnect_, _Salt_, _Mirage#4/Period[ical]_, _Rattapallax_, and _Xcp:=20 Cross-Cultural Poetics_. See Mytili at http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/ KEVIN KILLIAN is a novelist, art writer, poet and playwright. He has writte= n=20 several books including I CRY LIKE A BABY, SHY, ARCTIC SUMMER and ARGENTO=20 SERIES. With Dodie Bellamy he is editing the work of their late friend, Sam= =20 D'Allesandro, for a collected stories volume. He lives in San Francisco. EILEEN MYLES is a poet who lives in NY and a novelist who teaches at UCSD.=20 Latest book of poems Skies, on my way, latest novel, Cool for You. Visit http://www.eileenmyles.com ALICE NOTLEY is the author of more than twenty books of poetry. Her=20 book-length poem THE DESCENT OF ALETTE was published by Penguin in 1996,=20 followed by MYSTERIES OF SMALL HOUSES (1998), which was one of three nominee= s=20 for the Pulitzer Prize and was the winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Awar= d=20 for Poetry. Her latest book DISOBEDIENCE is the recipient of the 2002=20 Griffin Poetry Prize: http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html She now lives=20 permanently in Paris. GIL OTT is Editor and Publisher of Singing Horse, a literary press. Now in=20 its 27th year of continuous operation, Singing Horse has produced over=20 twenty-five titles by emerging poets and writers. The journal Paper Air,=20 which the Press published from 1976 through 1990, was the recipient of an=20 Editors' Fellowship from the Council of Literary Magazines and Presses in=20 1985. He has published thirteen books of poetry and prose, including The=20 Yellow Floor (Sun & Moon, 1985), within range (Burning Deck, 1987), Public=20 Domain (Potes & Poets, 1989), and The Whole Note (Zasterle, Canary Islands,=20 Spain, 1996), and Traffic, Chax Press (Tucson, 2001). He is married to the=20 poet and educator Julia Blumenreich. They have a daughter, Willa. They live=20 in the Mt Airy section of Philadelphia. Some links to Gil Ott on the web: http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/ott.html http://www.chax.org/chaxlist.ht= m FRANK SHERLOCK curates the La Tazza Reading Series w/ Magdalena Zurawski in=20 Philadelphia. His poems have recently appeared in Puppy Flowers, TOOL and=20 can we have our ball back? Past chapbooks include 13 (ixnay 1999) and a=20 collaboration with CAConrad entitled, end/begin w/chants. Their latest join= t=20 effort is an open-ended project materializing as The City Real & Imagined: =20 Philadelphia Poems. A new seris of poems appears in the new ixnay reader http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm See some of his poems at http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm and more at http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI is a waiter/writer living in Philadelphia. She is working= =20 on a novel called THE BRUISE. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:04:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: h.d. In-Reply-To: <167.1d034b4f.2b9e45ac@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit could anyone tell me where i can download duncan's h.d. book? thanks DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen Conrad Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:47 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: POETS of 9for9: Anselm Berrigan, Buck Downs, Mytili Jagannathan, Kevin Killian, Eileen Myles, Alice Notley, Gil Ott, Frank Sherlock, Magdalena Zurawski go to http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ or view text below --------- 9for9 --------- set 1 of 9 Anselm Berrigan Buck Downs Mytili Jagannathan Kevin Killian Eileen Myles Alice Notley Gil Ott Frank Sherlock Magdalena Zurawski copyright © 2003 to all participating poets upon publication questions by CAConrad published by Mooncalf Press POBox 22521 Philadelphia, PA 19110 MooncalfPress@hotmail.com 9for9 is a collection of 9 questions for 9 poets and their answers. This is the first set of 9 sets. Some of the questions came from dreams, others from waking ideas. The project was conducted through e-mail, questions arriving in Inboxes once a week, usually on friday. If you wish to communicate with any of the poets included, please feel free to send correspondence to the e-mail address CAConrad13@aol.com, with the subject line "9for9 correspondence". I promise to forward your message to the poet you wish to connect with. Thank you, CAConrad --------- QUESTION 1: Doctors have invented a new implant which can be placed in the brains of newborns to prevent all forms of suffering for a lifetime. Is this a good choice? Explain your answer. THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN No. Is the implant some kind of life-lasting inner joint or something? And that seems to imply that joy and suffering can be implanted (I mean if you can eliminate suffering you can probably double the load too, right?) -- i.e.: if some non-sufferers have some bombs dropped on their heads are they not going to suffer? --------- BUCK DOWNS Steve Abbott had a questionnaire form for poets that I assume got distributed around to his students & they used it, because it wasn't Steve who sent it to Joe Brainard. Joe did try to answer it pretty honestly even though the questions were all not ones that applied much to the life that Joe was living. For example, there was a question about significant audio & all Joe could say was I have a tape by Morrissey because so-and-so gave it to me & I listen to it some because I have it, and a question about flying saucers that shows Joe to have been more or less indifferent to the phenomenon of humanity's projection of its self-image onto foreign rocks & into strange cans. I never think of suffering in the way this question thinks of it. I think of my sore knee, I think of my mom's bronchitis or Tom Raworth's, etc. etc. The race of newborns and the race of doctors are both demographic fictions that don't correlate to the life I live. I would not trust any scientist or medical professional who accepted the concept embodied in this question as a principle for research; I would expect them to be a serious fuckup, and the inventor of some high-priced piece of shit that would first magnify human suffering to catastrophic levels before addressing it, and then failing to address it in any significant way, and mostly leaving a big mess for crackers like me to have to come clean up and/or pay for. I would be a lot more impressed if these doctors would come up with a pop to give my mom or Tom that would undo a lifetime of cigarette smoking and life and give them back undiminished lung capacity. Or any other serious effort to tackle an actual problem. Ugh. I think this question was supposed to be a big fat softball that would allow me to rhapsodize in a long eloquent 'statement' about the beautiful animal man [sic] and s/her ability to transcend bad breaks & shit; sorry to have blown it, but I don't give a fuck about 'newborns' or any other abstracted classes of humanity at all. Demographic abstraction is an enemy of human contact, and human contact is all poetry has left going for it in the media/market/culture that is its substrate. Everything else, as Dave Hickey once said, is advertising and term-papers. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I guess I disagree with the premises and assumptions of this question. First of all, on a very basic level, allopathic medical science has a lot to learn about the operations of even "physical" pain, let alone emotional pain and suffering. I mean, just to take something widely diagnosed in the U.S. like depression; sure, there are drugs that have been invented that do help some people, presumably by acting on neurotransmitters, but even the details of this process are unclear to scientists. Also unanswered (perhaps unanswerable) is the question of causality—-are changes in brain chemistry the cause of depression, or does depression cause changes in brain chemistry? And organic bodily processes are not simply "mechanical"—they're informational and "intelligent," so even something like genetic engineering is more complex than discrete and dramatic on-and-off switches. And other kinds of suffering: what is suffering? How could you catalog, much less prevent "all forms" of it? So that's one part of my objection. The other part is that a lot of suffering-as-we-know-it (which is where we begin, after all) is intricately bound up with social/political/economic relations and our experience as part of collective forms/structures that have powerful energies and effects (need I point out the previously unimaginable scope of contemporary global capitalism?). Of course there are biological factors that influence physical and psychic experiences, but such factors are always in play with environmental conditions, in the broadest sense of "environment." So, I think that "suffering" is not an individual condition that can be "solved" by genetic/medical solutions. I think that socially, politically, prophetically, if you like, of course struggles for justice proceed with the "end of suffering" as a horizon, but it's just as important how we imagine and enact those transformative processes. I think the processes are inherently social, material, relational, and yes, embodied; but it's certainly not going to come about through any top-down techno/medical Big Bang. And creating a dynamic, relational justice doesn't necessarily mean the end of all pain (we won't overcome mortality, after all, we're dying all the time at the cellular level, and extending old-age might even create as-yet-unexperienced forms of pain, who knows?), but an end to those social structures that "freeze" or institutionalize suffering. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I hope they invent a similar implant that would induce tolerance and respect as well, otherwise what's to prevent the human race from turning cruel if no other human will suffer because of the first implant? Then our animal friends among other species will be living worse lives than ever. Save the animals now! --------- EILEEN MYLES No this is a bad choice. They would have to be adjusting it constantly which would disturb the growing infants sense of balance. Actually I think they have already done this and it is vaccinations and they have so much mercury in them that kids are coming up autistic. --------- ALICE NOTLEY What are 'all forms of suffering'? How can science define them? I wouldn't let a scientist define what constitutes suffering -- I know you are after an answer concerning the role of suffering in existence and whether living would be better if suffering were eliminated, but I can't relate to the idea of the scientist or doctor as the eliminator of suffering. Or is it that you are thinking only of disease and physical difference as forms of suffering? I tend to think of suffering as something caused by other humans -- I tend to think of the other animals as beings who don't suffer unless we cause them to suffer or who perhaps suffer in their death throes but not much before. If you want to know if suffering is of value, that's a different question. I would prefer not to suffer and I would prefer that others not suffer even more than I do -- to know that they do is horrible and makes me feel guilty. But there is no 'doctor' and to even fantasize one is to miss the point: the doctor helps create suffering by presuming to know more about its forms than others do. My suffering has been of value to me partly because it has rescued me from the doctors and their mechanistic view of reality. But I don't think I should have had to suffer in order to find out what I know. --------- GIL OTT Answering this question can only be a matter of faith, replacing a spiritual entity with "science." I think the question is asked more playfully than that, but I don't think there's any other way to honestly answer it. A poet recognizes that it's one's suffering (or vulnerability) which determines one's character - I recently read a passage in Rilke's Brigge reaffirming this, though I can't locate the exact passage now - so the question itself is moot. More likely: If the suffering person could escape his suffering, would he (which raises the nearly redundant: could he, and still be himself?)? A point of honor among contemporary disability activists is that they would not accept the cure for their conditions, were one concocted. Disregarding the inexactitude of applied science, and the concomitant sufferings it inflicts on subjects in pursuit of cures, the question becomes one of identity. Now ask me that question: Could science free me from the notion of identity, would I take the cure? But then, perhaps science, or some agency, would necessarily supply me with a reliable identity to start with. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Of course this is a terrible idea! It can only lead to fascism. Those of us already walking the earth sans suffer block will be forced to suffer for those who can't feel it. Camps. Torture. Entertainment. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Don't you think that a prevention from suffering would be a kind of suffering in itself? People with the implant would wander through a culture without the possibility of empathy. What an alienating feeling!! Imagine the loneliness when listening to cowboy songs about loneliness knowing that you do not know the loneliness they sing!! Having such an implant would probably be very similar to watching war live on CNN. This week I saw a movie and the girl said "I just want to feel loved" and the boy said "I just want to feel." And it seemed to sum things up in a nutshell. I wasn't even stoned when I saw it and I thought "I used to be the boy, but now I'm the girl." I think the implant would keep us all on the boy's side of things. It's a terrible place. I'd rather be lonely than be lonely, if you know what I mean. --------- QUESTION 2: There's a face of a poet on the kite you are flying over the city. Who is this poet? When you reel them back from the wind what will you ask? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN Face of Steve Carey. Steve, how did you get here? --------- BUCK DOWNS well if it's my kite I must've painted drawn or ironed-on the poet's picture since it's not likely that I'll be buying any e.g., Jack Spicer regalia, or anything else, at Toys-R-Us anytime soon. Was it Jack Spicer who said, "I think that I shall never cite a poem as lovely as a kite?" of course it wasn't. It was I, or actually, me. I hope I would have the perspicacity not to reel in the kite at all, but get it up to a way cool height & then cut the string, allowing the kite to crash in a faraway place like Baltimore or even Glen Burnie, where a youngun would find it & say, "did Jack Spicer run for President, or what?". --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Interesting: the form of this question—-the delicacy, intimacy, and magical quality of this imagined act—-makes me think of the Chilean poet and artist Cecilia Vicuña. She grew up in Santiago, supported Allende's participatory socialist government, and lived in exile after Allende's murder and the long horror of Pinochet. "Thread" is a central figure—-both material and symbolic—-in her poetry and installations. All of her work seems to be a kind of "activation": making visible and visceral the reality that we are all connected. It sounds so simple conceptually but it's so incredibly powerful. She's done installations where she has woven threads connecting two sides of a street, or the opposite banks of a river, both below and above the water's surface. I've seen a photograph of an action she did in Bogata, Columbia, to protest the distribution of contaminated milk. It was called "Vaso de leche": she announced beforehand the time and location of her action. At the appointed time, she pulled on a long piece of red yarn that was wrapped around the a glass of milk, spilling it into the street. Then she wrote a poem in the street: "The cow/is the continent/whose milk (blood)/ is spilt./ What are we doing/ with life?" Cecilia says: "I look at things backwards, as they are going to look when I am gone. I have a very intense feeling that what we do is already the remains of what we are doing. The dead water, our poems." So this is why your fascinating image of this face on a kite, held by a string, floating over the city, reminds me of her. I'm not sure I can guess what words she'd say, perhaps some new instance of her practice of poetic etymologies emerging from what she saw across Philly, breaking words apart "so that their internal metaphors were exposed" and new paths of meaning revealed. One of my favorite of these etymologies she's done: "SOL-I-DAR-I-DAD (Give and give sun)." What spaces, what words would she thread together in Philadelphia? --------- KEVIN KILLIAN The poet is Ronald Johnson, and when the kite comes back I'll ask that face, will you ever forgive me? --------- EILEEN MYLES Bob Kaufman. How did it feel? --------- ALICE NOTLEY No identifiable face -- it keeps changing. (No special poet.) The question I ask is awful. --------- GIL OTT The poet's face on my kite is Frank Samperi, reclusive when he was alive, but now deceased at least a decade. I would ask him to elaborate on the word "procession," which he used to distinguish from "process." I imagine this man's mind as pure witness, tuned to the essential deity of events, and so endangered. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK It is the worn, defiant face of Osip Mandelstam. I read him "Nightsong" and ask if American poets will likewise study the science of saying goodbye. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI The kite is a mirror that shows me I have no face. The kite asks, what are you, little girl? --------- QUESTION 3: You open a book that won't close. Maybe you accept it? Maybe you struggle to close it? Each chapter is titled INSTRUCTIONS FOR POETS. Instead of words a variety of strange shapes fill the pages. The last page is blank so you can communicate to other poets an idea you feel is vital. The only requirement is that you use no words, but draw a picture instead. Describe what you would draw. Explain the drawing if you want, although it might be more interesting to let us figure it out. THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I would draw a three-dimensional cube. --------- BUCK DOWNS In the alternate universe from which this question comes and in which I can draw with any efficacy at all, I would take yet another page from the Bill Hicks playbook that is my practical guide to spiritual matters & draw a picture of my parents fucking, in honor of the great creative power of cock & cunt that makes the human race go cat go. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN A book that won't close—-another magical image, reminds me of my earliest obsession with fairy tales. But I don't know what I would draw. If I can pile magic upon magic here, perhaps this: a page of unidentified animal sounds, actually heard when the page is touched. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN A drawing of a green fairy, sprung from the absinthe label, quickening silver wings above the old city night sky, some would see it is of Kylie Minogue, others will turn the page and end the book. --------- EILEEN MYLES It would be a bear trying to get his paw in a honey jar. --------- ALICE NOTLEY The drawing is of a human torso between the shoulders, throat area and just below the navel. Above the navel are several holes, small rather blurred circles in which one can see the remnants of letters of the alphabet without being able to make them out precisely. An upper curve of a P or B or R for example, but what you see looks damaged as if the letter has been roughly pulled out. One is not sure if there are four or five holes because one of them is so faint. However, it is possible to see that the holes are bleeding. One has the impression that a word has been ripped out of the torso and what is left are the ghosts of letters, the ghost of a word. --------- GIL OTT This question is too cute. I am a poet, a writer, a word artist, and my medium is words. Indeed, "strange shapes fill the pages" when I read, but their articulation is verbal. In my experience, an image is a knot, a complex made of words that is untied through a visual synapse. If I am to continue playing this game, I will offer the image of fire, not A fire, but the Biblical or spiritual fire, that burns everywhere and consumes nothing. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Paging through this imaginary book, I imagine myself trapped in a prism- or bouncing around a cylinder, like a nerd stuffed in a dryer. Maybe I'm running the outside of a spinning wheel like a sequined circus vet. My page would be simple- the outline of a thick, red arrow pointing to the top of the page. Away from the map reader. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI A small dot slightly left of center. It looks like a perfect dot, but with a magnifying glass you can notice that the edges are uneven. Most importantly, the dot is so small you can easily pass over the page and assume it is empty. The title of the chapter is "The definition of poetry." --------- QUESTION 4: S.A.M., the three things Elizabeth Bishop believed made a satisfying poem: Spontaneity, Accuracy, Mystery. How does this compare with what you look for in a poem? Or do you have an acronym of your own? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I don't know, I haven't known how to answer this one. I'm afraid that looking for satisfying elements would fuck with my head in a way that I'm not into, at least not right now. I'm lately very interested in a quality or disquality of poems that makes readers uncomfortable, even scared. But the poem still has to be alive, and that does take skill, if not necessarily technical skill. Skill of word by word awareness of all that juice you and I know poems may have. Maybe that is a technical skill, like attentiveness being a technical skill, or kindness(?) -- another set of questions there. I know a lot of very intelligent poets who know what it is their poems are doing, and have a lot of interesting things to say about poetry, other peoples' poems. But their poems are weaker than their ideas, essays, theories, and I find myself not wanting to engage. As for S.A.M., the idea of spontaneity as something to look for strikes me as passive-aggressive. I now want to say that I look for poems that are as fucked up as people, but that doesn't sound right either. I like music. I got told that was simplistic once by a guy poet, but I'm a simple person. --------- BUCK DOWNS hmm how about SPAM (SILENT POWERS ALL MINE) well one person's Mystery is another's Empty Ritualism, and Elizabeth Bishop seems about as spontaneous as Halley's Comet, I mean really. But then perhaps she sought those things because she knew from her own poetry how they are forever in short supply. Since I don't teach and I don't learn, I feel relatively freed from the need to be consistent or coherent in what I seek & all such as that; & indeed, if all or most of what I got from a poem conformed to what I was "looking for", wouldn't that be like changing socks twelve times a day for variety, & shouldn't I just quit. But I was thinking about the death of Jeff Buckley again this weekend after "Mojo Pin" came up on the old shuffler. The mysterious flavor of Jeff's predicament arouses me whenever I think about it, to be misunderstood so thoroughly, so terminally; as though the soul of 29-year-old Freddie Mercury woke up one morning to find itself trapped in the 45-year-old body of Bob Dylan. What a curse! to go to bed supple and sexy and powerful, and wake up profound and appreciated and old. It's hard to imagine what E.B. wanted to get over in formulating her S.A.M.; I would tend to dismiss it as cheap pedagogy. But mnemonics are for the givers of tests and grades, and so are not of any real concern to poets and poetry. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I'm friends with spontaneity and mystery, though I'm not sure about accuracy. This is the kind of question that's quite dependent on mood. And I love the activity—-reminds me of Lee Ann Brown's _Polyverse_. Here are two (I had to stop, I could go on forever): SCRIPT SCRIPT Surprise Caressing Reverberate Inciting Plurals Tender Scrappy Capacious Runaway Intersecting Potent Traffic or, together: Scrappy Surprise Capacious Caressing Reverberate Runaway Inciting Intersecting Potent Plurals Tender Traffic --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I'm not particular about accuracy, and spontaneity is an illusion isn't it, the great artifice of Bishop's own poetry, which so many seem to like so much, and that precisely introduces the element of mystery, so it seems like a fine definition viewed at in one light. She's so articulate, she makes me feel like the fuzz that rises off of an old dead dandelion. --------- EILEEN MYLES I like legibility, pace and artifice. --------- ALICE NOTLEY I look for Truthfulness, Relevance, and Great Skill. They do not make a good acronym. --------- GIL OTT Sounds good to me. I wouldn't second-guess another poet's criteria for satisfaction. But what I look for in my reading anymore isn't satsifaction; I want the writing to spur me to write. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK D- directness E- engaging the world of objects & of souls R- redirection A- action, verb attention I- illumination L- liberation --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I think that I probably would agree with Bishop, though I do not know what she means exactly by "spontaneity," "accuracy" and "mystery." I only imagine that I know what she means. I haven't read an essay or anything. When I'm at a reading my "liking" or not "liking" is usually answered by my snide "he ain't got no music" or "she ain't got no music." But music is more than sound or more accurately meaning is not separate from sound. --------- QUESTION 5: All day long whenever you open your mouth a song comes out. Maybe you get used to it. Maybe you want to adjust the bass or treble. But what is this song? If there are lyrics, is there a particular line you want the world to hear come out of you? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN It would be something like Joe Strummer's incomprehensible singing; you'd have to be willing to feel it in order for it to be anything for you. This is similar to my feeling about drawing the three-dimensional cube: I drew that because it's the only thing I can draw. I can't sing, so I relate to Strummer's singing, and I love it anyway, and his lyrics, even though I discover that I've imagined them wrong from time to time. Then I just have two possibilities for the line instead of one, which is how i like to approach lines anyway, at least. I've almost always had crappy radios so I can't say much about bass or treble. The basis for my music has always been incompetence of a sort, and music. --------- BUCK DOWNS The hoot about this, as well as one of the bona-fides that prove my freakhood, is that this question pretty accurately describes my daily life for the past twenty years or more. All day long whenever I open my mouth, a song does come out. This happens most intensely when I am walking; in converse of the old joke, it seems I must "walk and chew gum" at the same time, or I won't get down the street. This despite the fact that my voice to me sounds like a fifty-fifty blend of Martha Raye in her Polident years and Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon. This morning I had one of the wickedest ear-worms known to man: the guitar solo leading into the second chorus of "I Love A Rainy Night" by Eddie Rabbit, as thoroughly muddled and irreparable a song as could be heard on AM radio in the last thirty years. Later, sweet relief, it was fragments of "Testify" by Ronnie Wood, but as if it were sung to the tune of "Mustt Mustt" by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party. Or sounded like that to me, who knows what it sounded like to anyone outside of my head. "Imagination," as Chet Baker once sang, "is funny." I used to be ashamed of this habit when I was a kid, because most everybody who ever heard me do it either made fun of me or they put the glad hand on me about how I should join the chorus, the choir, the whatever; stupid pimps, always trying to sell you a stupid job. But, you know, shame is for chumps; and every day is another opportunity to get the fuck over it already. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Oh god, this actually happens to me all the time. I have songs in my head that I sing and that can fill me up for hours. I can't really describe the lyrics I sing in these moments—-maybe a few English or Tamil words in the mix, but strangely for the most part, they're not really words in any language that I can identify. (I sometimes joke that it’s "fake Hindi"). It's more a matter of melodies that stick in my head and syllables that ride across them. A kind of folksong—something you can sing in a group—clap your hands to—-or weep strongly to—-a simple stanzaic structure, but punchy words/rhythm, lines ending in vowels. Within the group singing, moments of call-and-response, join and depart. Sometimes the same songs recur, weeks apart, innocently. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN Oh, I'm too shy to sing in public . . . Maybe in the shower. --------- EILEEN MYLES he whistled and he sang and the green woods rang --------- ALICE NOTLEY There is no song that comes out of me. My head is full of the shitty lyrics of others, countless songs, I wish I didn't know so many. I have a fear of dying with my mind playing some hideous Beatles song or an ancient show tune. I don't think song lyrics should be memorable. --------- GIL OTT (...) --------- FRANK SHERLOCK "Minstrel Boy" is an Irish traditional song that can carry me through just about anything. It's an amazing idea, to walk the streets of Philadelphia with the bagpipes moaning out my mouth. I'm partial to a recent version of the song by Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI These are the words I can remember from the last few days. Name the songs and win a prize: "Puerto Rican Jane, o won't you tell me what's your name," "And Mary Lou, she learned how to cope, she rides the heaven on a gyroscope, the daily news asks her for the dope, she says, man, the dope's that there's still hope", "I said I'm hurt. Honey, she said, let me heal it." "Man that ain't oil that's blood," "I guess I really dug her I was too loose to think", "Hey bus driver keep the change, bless your children, give them names", "Let the broken-hearted love again!!," "Did you hear that the cops finally busted madam Marie for telling fortunes better than they do, for me this boardwalk life's through, you ought quit this scene too." And each line comes one at a time upon waking and grinds like a washing machine as if the words were the window for the day. Maybe that's why there's been so much "that ain't oil, that's blood". --------- QUESTION 6: IS THIS AN EXCITING TIME FOR POETRY!? PLEASE EXPLAIN! THANK YOU! (or explain why it is not) THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN This is an exciting time for poetry, to me. But I always think it is an exciting time for poetry, no matter the realities present. I started writing poems and being involved with poetry in part because of that excitement and the fact that it felt and feels timeless and immediate at once. I do not care about the apparatus of publishing, or the local politics, or the attendant map-making and map-burning that go on within poetry communities and circles in the face of this question. Time is exciting, devastating and cruel, yes, and there is kindness in there, and joy -- any particular time contains these things. Poetry allows me to see it. Not to see it better, more clearly, etc., but to see it at all, I think sometimes. Time, the times, anyone's times. Poetry is never not there, despite rampant claims otherwise, or, more to the point, despite no claims for or against, in many places. Poetry is older than money, and fresher than money. And lately I am excited by and for poetry because I do not want to see it be anything defined by "our times" or "the times", which cannot be owned, like poetry. --------- BUCK DOWNS well you get the times you get & you can get excited about it why do I continue to remember Ms. Dabney who in 8th Grade covered an entire blackboard with the words 'ONLY THE BORING ARE BORED' Ah well it keeps me entertained. As poetry's social obsolescence has become nearly complete some 100+ years after the advent of recorded sound, I feel pretty good, freed as I am from the tale of the tribe, unacknowledged legislation, arms and the man, and all the rest of the pre-20th Century crap that has been foisted upon poets by the collected cops priests and teachers of the race, who have always resented the fact that poets get to talk right to god all the time, no vows, no training, no tenure required. The load of social relevance, poorly-borne for centuries by poets and poetry, has been taken up by the media, thanks, and the newspapers and their generations of broadcast descendents have wonderfully siphoned all social obligation out of the making of poems. The politicization of literacy has, despite itself, been quite a helpmate too, since poets no longer have any reason to teach anyone how to read in the wake of government monopolization of the education industry. So all told it seems like a great deal if you have no aspirations to boss others around. Poets no longer have to do any of the cultural shit-work that they have been forced to do for centuries in order to make their way in society, and or but they still get to make poems, talk to god, get real high, & about two or three other things that make being alive so very cool to begin with. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN Yes, definitely! There's such a proliferation of kinds of poetries that people can encounter now. So many language traditions and evolving practices, sonic propensities, cultural contexts, nows/thens, oral/aural, pictorial, pixeled, parchment, palm leaf. . . And movements in many countries have been challenging the class/color/communal/gender lines within their cultural spheres. I think for people who are aware of this intense spectrum of activity, it might also make them anxious in some way, either because of loss of previously held power, or simply because people need sustainable communities, and the continuity that underlies real conversations. Of course, global and local power imbalances on the language/culture front will affect the way any interactions occur, but I'm interested in seeing where these crossings take us. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I'm excited. There were a few years in the doldrums in the late 80s and early 90s, when it seemed that everything was just being done to death, and the people who were experimenting in prose were miles and miles ahead of the poets (excuse me for casting this in the form of a competitive trope like CHARIOTS OF FIRE). And then something turned around and I began to notice immediate, local, grass roots signs of a rebirth of poetry, here in San Francisco at any rate. There was a lot of excitement, stemming as usual from the young poets who were going to school at New College, at UC Berkeley, and at San Francisco State, as well, of course, as a larger group without any academic affiliation, these homogenous lumps of people suddenly met up, collided, brokered up, reformatted, and, I think changed the nature of poetry here in the Bay Area. With this new generation came a subsequent return to status of an older, unfairly occluded and in some cases half-asleep generation whom the new kids took as their models and teachers, Whalen, Kyger, Clark, Berkson, not only the Bolinas bunch but a dozen others as well. Someone should write a book, or better yet create a documentary that would trace the sociological roots of this renaissance. With Helen Mirren as Lyn Hejinian, Ashton Kutcher as Anselm Berrigan,Casey Affleck as Adam DeGraff, Michelle Rodriguez as Renee Gladman, Johnny Depp as Travis Ortiz, and Ian McKellen as Philip Lamantia. --------- EILEEN MYLES Well, we're in a very conservative repressive time and poetry can always get up on its hind legs and speak and the temptation to say the wrong thing is there, and so you can do that or not, I mean there's a lot of choices and I say we're living in a state of active complexity, so yeah I think I have to agree, it is an exciting time for poetry. Dive in. --------- ALICE NOTLEY I don't care if it's an exciting time for poetry or not. Though I wonder what it's like for the poets in Ethiopia right now. --------- GIL OTT The only "exciting" times for poetry are those when the art permits the illusion of progress: either when the scales fall from my own eyes and I wr ite, well, without obstruction, or those glorious moments when I perform and click with the crowd. These are both personal excitements, and I think you're asking about the collective. There the illusion of power is magnified, but its beauty is diluted. The community of poets grows diverse and accepting of its diversity. This, I do believe, is happening in Philadelphia. But while a crowd is necessary for an audience, it grows oxymoronic when applied to poetry, which is intrinsically individual. Back to my statement about diversity. Tolerance, cultivation, eagerness for diversity, these are the only collective strengths of poetry. The community in Philadelphia was long balkanized, but is putting that behind itself, and that is exciting. FRANK SHERLOCK This is very exciting time for poetry! More poets than ever before-more styles. More style integration. Less Cold War leftover new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss bunk. To the chagrin of select elders looking for direct overthrow attempts (for relevance confirmation), today's poets take influence & move in their own direction- albeit outside the established framework. This is an exciting time & an important time, particularly in the United States. A "war without end" has begun. The American poet is much more likely to suffer a civil liberty attack from John Ashcroft than s/he is to be attacked from Al Qeda. The coming years promise to be even more exciting in a dark & vital time. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Any time is an exciting time if you're in a room alone or with people and excited. --------- QUESTION 7: Are you living in the same geographic region of your childhood? If so, how does this affect your poetry? If not, is that location still relevant to your poetry? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN I am currently living about five blocks from where I grew up in Manhattan's East Village. The fact of living here does not affect my poetry, although I have noticed in considering this question that I haven't written as much here as I did in Brooklyn, San Francisco or Buffalo (11-12 years that period, covering 1989-2000) -- but that is incidental so far, I think. The location is still relevant to my poetry as a source of personal shaping, tho' the neighborhood was different when I was growing up (more families, more dangerous, more politicized, less expensive; somewhat kinder). I did not like this area when I was 16, and I don't think that has much to do with anything but me at that age, and our small apartment. My tendencies to like people (individuals, as opposed to the species; like Swift, in a sense) and to look at them are highly shaped by living in this area along with being brought up by parents who were very open people, in a community-oriented sense. God damn people coming through the apt. every day. This is built into my poetry. Also, we had a railroad apt. of four rooms for a family of four, which meant not a lot of space. Consequently I read a lot, though I might have done so anyway, and I learned to be comfortable in my head (for privacy), and to search around its edges (tho' I never would have put it that way until now), which is also built into the poems, I think, or has been a constant source of poetic incitement (is that a word?). I tend to feel incited into writing, as opposed to inspired or agitated. This neighborhood does all of those things to a person who spends substantial time here, however. --------- BUCK DOWNS I grew up in a part of the southern U.S. (Florida below Lake Okeechobee) that has enjoyed a rather retarded integration with the antebellum Union, Dixie, and the reconstructed postwar States in turn, and in fact has not been overly friendly to human development as far back as the Micosukee. Of course, some ten years plus after the build-through of I-75 and the expansion of Alligator Alley through the Everglades, the predecessor landscape has knuckled under to subsidized agriculture and luxury residential construction. So where I grew up no longer exists in every relevant sense except for a resuidual taxonomy of older roadways &c. My people are not from there at all, but from Mississippi, specifically Jones County, whose slight claim to historicity [sic] is a secession against the secession [a.k.a. THE FREE STATE OF JONES], led not by anti-slavery ideologues or pro-Union crypto-nationalists, but by straight fucking crackers who saw both Feds and Confeds as rolling up to screw them over. So whichever of these places I am from it is all about place out of place, intuitive and rational senses of stepping out of the national or community sync to do the necessary work of covering your own business. And the discovery that every described place is nowhere, that it always already no longer exists, or only exists in a fatuous dream, or only exists as a social limit of the allowed, or only exists in "advertising and term papers", to quote Dave Hickey (again). --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I've lived in Philly for the past 7 or 8 years, so no. I grew up in West Virginia. It's such an interesting question for me—I haven't really thought about the physical geography consciously in relation to my poetry, although I'm sure some level of influence still operates. But I can say that one of the most important moments for me as a poet was finding and reading Muriel Rukeyser's stunning documentary poem, "The Book of the Dead" written in 1938 after she traveled to West Virginia to investigate the story behind the esc alating numbers of deaths from silicosis of mine workers in Hawk's Nest and Gauley Bridge. It's a breathtaking poem that both exposes the complicity of Union Carbide and its local subsidiary in the miners' deaths and registers the landscape and people with passionate integrity. The crazy thing is that I never heard of this poem while I was growing up in West Virginia—I read it for the first time in my senior year of college in Boston. Why wasn't it taught in every high school in the state?? But as fate would have it, I spent the year after college back in West Virginia doing domestic violence work in Sutton, just an hour from Hawk's Nest, where there's now a beautiful state park. On a trip to the park, I found a sign that mentioned the site of the old mine, but no mention of what happened there. (And this was national news in its time, Congressional investigations were held, etc.). I think that experience, the embodied re-experiencing of a landscape first encountered through a poem—-and the simultaneously visceral consciousness of an erased history—-changed my relationship to West Virginia, gave me a deeper sense of locatedness, and gave me a shifted context for my own memories of growing up there. My strange experience of racial identity/consciousness is also strongly shaped by the West Virginia context. The state is something like 97% white. I have repeated vivid childhood experiences of explaining that I was "Indian," and being greeted with racist miming gestures/ "war cries" that enacted TV stereotypes of Native Americans. "Not that kind of Indian," I would say. But almost no one, not even adults, in my early childhood world even knew that India was a country. (That began to change after the movie _Gandhi_, which came out when I was in 3rd grade). Now I see that those moments of "mistaken identity" forced open a different trajectory of connection and solidarity for me. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN No, when I was a boy I lived on Long Island's North Shore, and today I live South of Market in San Francisco. This transposition, from Northerner to Southerner, gave me more freedom to write. There it was always a question of duelling influences, Whitman whose mall I used to cruise on Saturdays, O'Hara who was run over on Fire Island a few miles from the house of the Amityville Horror. Walking home from school I met an old man who implied that in his own youth he had been the boyfriend of our town's famous novelist, Owen Wister who wrote "The Virginian." You long-legged son-of-a- If you wanna call me that, then smile. With a gun in my belly, I always smile. --------- EILEEN MYLES No, the region of my childhood is totally irrelevant. I'm looking at a different landscape at this moment and the more you sit with another set of conditions, the more you find yourself in a different poem. I want to be in a different poem. --------- ALICE NOTLEY At the moment, mentally, when I write I am living in the exact same geographic location I grew up in. I am writing about Alma, who is god along with various other women who are god, and the dead women, all the women who have lived and died and anyone alive who qualifies as a dead woman. I am a dead woman for example. There are also a few men among the dead women . After an exasperating time in the first book of it, trying to vindicate the rights of all the women who have ever lived, and then being confronted with the sheer maleness of the War on Terror, the bombing of Afghanistan and coming war against Iraq, the dead women have decided to relocate in a gully in my home town. That is a long preliminary answer. I grew up in the Mohave Desert, in Needles California, and I still live there in my head at the same time as I live in international cities. It is a town that has been vilified by many writers in single sentences; and Leslie Marmon Silko has burnt it down in a novel; but I think it is the most beautiful place in the world. I live in the gully of dead women, behind the wrecked Rec Center, with a lot of burrowing owls and such. --------- GIL OTT Yes, I came up in suburban Philadelphia, and so was implanted early with a fake rural ideal, which succumbed in adolescence to a yearning for true intellectual community. I never found this community in the university, and my early poetry is informed by those twin desires: idealized rural and alienated urban. What community I subsequently discovered, and has in time come to fill those gaps, is more international. Naturally, place is formative of any writing, even in suppression. In my adult years, the city proper, its decadence and its diversity, have provided the material of my writing. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK I have remained in the area where I grew up. The urban image & thematic patterns of the city run through my poems, not so much as a matter of intention- but of my personal factual base. It's what I have to work with. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I'm too close to home, like a failed American dream. I keep looking to some horizon but the rising rents are starting to block the sun. It keeps the song sad and reaching. --------- QUESTION 8: How does the oral tradition fit into your poems? And/or how not? THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN The oral tradition, as I understand it, is built in to my writing and reading of poems. Basically, and most broadly, everything I write that gets shaped into poetry must work aloud. That means several, at least, different things; not all of which I can articulate at the moment. But I edit in part by reading the work out loud, and it has to finally work on the page and as a spoken piece of poetry for me to feel like something is done, and done well enough to take outside the parameters of my own attention. I love reading poems out loud, whether someone is there or not. The art of poetry as an oral practice is one that I feel deeply connected to -- understanding that I was raised around poetry as a spoken as well as a written art. The theatrical performance of poems or poetic monologues, spoken word and slam poetry/poetics, rap (music and freestyle), the many types of blues music I've been exposed to, certain modes of standup comedy, informal storytelling (and I'm sure I'm leaving some things out) -- all of these have influenced my listening, writing, and reading habits and practices in heavy ways. But you know, anyone who pays attention to how sounds come out of their mouth is interesting to me. So I take it as inherent to my work that there's an oral quality I need to attend to no matter what kind of practice I'm engaged in, i.e. even the most wacked out experiment or straightforward narrative has to work sonically, with a wide range in mind, deliberately, as to what I mean by "work". I consider every reading to an audience a performance, even if I'm just gonna stand there and read, which is generally what I do. But what the voice does in conjunction with the work makes for a performance, for me, so I try to work it as hard as I can to make for as good a performance as I can. And I know for a fact that all I need is my poems and my voice to give something to the audience, which has nothing necessarily to do with what they are looking for (other than a reading itself), that they can take with them. I like to perform, I like to read poems that I have read before (they always sound different), and I like to interact with an audience. These facts of my practice are, in my way of thinking, connected to the, or an, oral tradition. The history of the oral tradition is something that I feel I will be learning my entire life, as well, and that needs to be said. Much of what I know has to do with the English language and certain components of African traditions (for instance, it was very important for me to have someone explain at a certain point that alliteration was more of an early basis for poetry in English than rhyme - which was imported - largely as a device to make stories, poems, etc. easier to remember and pass on in a pre-writing age), and that is limiting (gotta work on it). --------- BUCK DOWNS Well I can start with the luxury of having thrown away my four previous answers to this question to say isn't it great we are no longer hemmed in by the limits on human achievement that reside in the "oral tradition" -- If you mean homer cavalcanti & all the pre-typewriter stuff resusciatated and greenhoused for the sake of Western Civilization and its curators well sure anyone who hasn't done their homework is just a slob. But at the same time the lost world is the lost world & I for one am in no hurry to get it back. Orality is either an obsolete distribution channel or a skeleton key with which one may elude the ruthless commodification and trivialization of spiritual values that results from a print-publishing teleology, or both. Whichever. To paraphrase Ted Berrigan, if I really believe in it, I can't really talk about it. --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN I think the oral tradition/impulse is at the base of everything I do. All of those earliest experiences of aural meaning that are so deeply inscribed: lullabies, babytalk, Sanskrit chants, Tamil songs (both traditional devotionals and popular Tamil cinema songs), bilingual puns, the way something in your body changes when you switch languages, nursery rhymes, jump-rope rhymes . . . In terms of poetic composition, I definitely write both for the ear and the eye (love that linebreak!), but the spoken/heard dimension tends to come first in the sequence of my writing process. Sound captivates me and pushes me on. --------- KEVIN KILLIAN I think it's the other way round and the tradition is too big to fit into the poems, and yet the poems seem to fit into the tradition very comfortably. Huge goblet with room for all kinds of brandied waters, blood. --------- EILEEN MYLES Oh I think my poem is a magnetic tape of the oral tradition. Since I only imagine in the technology of my time I think of the poem as a gleaming stripe of highly sensitive material that is somehow marked by every quiver of the fluting human voice just the breathing and the grunts and fullblown words and phrases and the absence of sound of any sort, no wind hits the mirror, but all of it I think is oral I think because these electronic impressions are stuck on the tape by the idea of the voice as it narrates I'm sorry now the technological aspect might be wrong-headed possibly digital but the gleaming stripe seems more genital than say digital. I wonder why we are so damn fixed on the oral as the appropriate organ of poetry when it could be obviously as cerebral cardiovascular and genital. it all seems related and if you want to give it to the oral, go ahead. The oral tradition. I mean why not give it to the ass. The mouth or the lips or the throat are just the metonymically assigned organs when in fact the practice comes from all of it and seemingly in live poetry practice only huffs out orally last, like shitting. --------- ALICE NOTLEY Which oral tradition do you mean? My poems contain great sounds and tones and rhythmic figures; they sound terrific when I read them. They are meant to be read on the page aloud mentally. I am utterly influenced, in my writing, by the fact that I give poetry readings. I don't feel as if I belong to any tradition in this respect except for the general tradition of the performer for smallish audiences. I am thinking a lot, at the moment, about a flamenco singer named Tia Anica, who didn't begin to perform until she was in her fifties. I think I have to begin again. --------- GIL OTT I guess I have to turn the question around and ask: What is the "oral tradition?" I usually think of it in Western terms as the mnemonic devices in rhyme and meter, which enabled the Greeks to remember and pass on such epics like the Odyssey. This tradition flowered in the lyric of the troubadours. But I actually think the "oral tradition" in contemporary American poetry is more influenced by African and Caribbean poetries/musics. However conceived, the oral -- spoken or sung -- is essential to any poetry; concrete poetry is really more of a visual art. Naturally, within that concept are many, many divisions, thus the great diversity and richness of poetry today. The big divider today seems to be "Is it for the page, or for the voice?" I could say I've written both, though the very notion of page-bound poetry is a fallacy. It will always be voiced, even if silently. (This is an admission that I still move my lips when I read!) I could also say that even when I write narrative or other prose forms, I am always aware of the music of the words, and the rhetorical, and spiritual, power of that music. So in the end, I'd say my answer to the question is: to degrees. --------- FRANK SHERLOCK I'm paraphrasing an Alan Gilbert version of the poetics of orality (from an upcoming essay in FENCE), & it goes something like, "Poetry can never be separated from either its utterance or reception." Certainly not a brand-new idea, but it's the latest manifestation that caught my ear. Poetry for me is processed in a kind of Homeric, Burnsian, B.I.G. manner. The oral tradition is bona fide alive & I choose not to separate myself from it. But that's just me. Many poet friends I know choose to hone their work in relative solitude. To them I say godspeed & give me a holler once you're away from the desk. --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI I use my mouth a lot. --------- QUESTION 9: Write a letter to president George W. Bush. THE ANSWERS: ANSELM BERRIGAN After sitting and writing a letter to George W. Bush, and even sending it off to CA to include in this piece, I felt foul and cheap. I only want to speak to the people who will be reading this, not to him -- a man of whom it has been said on CNN, "Even if there was zero percent support for invading Iraq the President would go forward anyway because he believes it is the right thing to do." I utterly reject this man's principles and morals, and his version of life; and I reject the terms of this reality that has been imposed upon us by ages of war and greed. It represents a total failure of imagination, and our consciousness, collectively, needs to be rebuilt -- a practical need of the species, as a matter of fact. That is the work I am interested in, beyond the immediate necessity of opposing war in all of its forms. Bush is just the most current visible by-product of this failure, and can go fuck himself. --------- BUCK DOWNS Dear Mr. President: I am a poet, arguably the greatest since Shakespeare, and I am writing you today to ask if Camp David would be available for my use at any time in the next twelve months or so. My regular job has kept me pretty much on the hustle non-stop for the last five years, and it has been hard to devote the necessary time and energy to my poetry while holding up my end at work. I'd like to be able to take a break for a month or so & relax & catch up on my writing. Camp David is near my home here in D.C., & so it would be an ideal place for me to retreat for say 3-5 weeks. There I would be able to concentrate on reviewing and completing an initial draft of my next book of poems, to be called JONES COUNTY. I know that when you are at the presidential retreat, it is a time to recharge, reflect, and return to Washington better able to fulfill your duties as President. It is that kind of experience I would like to enjoy at Camp David, and perhaps in some way even capture and preserve in my poetry. I also know that Camp David is primarily set up to provide you and your family the privacy they need, and I would not want to interfere with that purpose. So I would be interested in making use of Camp David at any time or times of the year when you are not actually using it. I can drive, cook, and shop for myself, so the impact of my visit on your staff could be reduced to nearly nil. I am gainfully employed, but not within the precincts of academia; this means that other traditional writers residencies, such as Bread Loaf or McDowell, are not available to me. I believe that an opportunity to visit and create at Camp David would result in new poetic work for America and would reflect well on your administration's affection for literature and the arts. If you want to find out more about me, you can simply type "Buck Downs" into Google & browse through the results. To discuss the availability of Camp David, I can be reached at the address below. Thank you for your time, Mr. President. I look forward to hearing from you. Buck Downs Box 53318 Washington, DC 20009 --------- MYTILI JAGANNATHAN DEAR KING GEORGE W(AR) Cant write cant sew cant stop cant grow cant cry cant constitute cant count cant route cant right a letter by sacrifice the alphabet --------- KEVIN KILLIAN President Bush, how I wish that Bill Clinton were still in office. I always liked him and you just seem dumb. You make everyone look bad with your relentless paranoia and your greed. Dismantle the war apparatus, oh, but you can't. Soon we'll have nowhere to go and the lessons of the 20th century will all be unlearned. You remind me of the mad Nazarene with the demonic spirit in the pig from the New Testament. That must be the one parable you didn't pick up at Amherst or wherever it was. To you I feel that I must speak in very short sentences. Lots of periods. Bye. --------- EILEEN MYLES Dear George, [Text unavailable. Poet felt unable to assemble language when confronted with the opportunity to speak to this "man." Poet thought of lips around the mouth of "president" which resembled mass grave. Saw shifting selfish eyes of college gang-banger. Poet feels there is no possible conversation with person who recently delivered supercilious state of the union "address."] Truly, Eileen --------- ALICE NOTLEY No. I declared him dead -- a spiritual vacuity -- at the end of my talk on The Iliad and Postmodern War. I have no interest in expressing my opinions to him because he isn't there. --------- GIL OTT 427 Carpenter Lane Philadelphia PA 19119 George W. Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington DC 7 February 2003 Mr. Bush: First, let me point out a few things: 1) You were not a popularly-elected President. You did not gain a majority of votes in the 2000 election, and the only way you received a majority of Electoral College votes was through the political bias of a discredited Supreme Court. 2) Your domestic programs - policies toward the environment, women's rights, affirmative action, worker's rights, and civil rights in general - run against the grain of the American experience of the past 60 years. 3) Your disdain for the common wealth in favor of privilege is bankrupting the country. 4) Your unilateralism in international affairs, and your apparent dismissal of even the most moderate differences of opinion has brought the world to the edge of worldwide conflagration. Pretty impressive. How do you do it? You, more than any terrorist group, have benefited from the events of 9/11/01. You have shamelessly utilized that tragedy as a spectacle, playing it over and over again in order to diminish debate, confuse the public, and thereby cover your actions. Mr. Bush, I believe in the future. I refuse to engage in the dialogue that will shape that future by utilizing the rhetoric which you and your handlers have created. It would be better for all of us if you would simply admit your failures and get out of the way. Good bye. Gil Ott --------- FRANK SHERLOCK Dear George II: Thomas Paine will haunt you when you're gone. I may feel sorry for you someday, but not today or tomorrow. Good luck, Frank Sherlock --------- MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI Dear Mr. Bush, How come you think that we're just a bunch of dumb hippies in the streets? I'm not dumb at all. In fact, your machine paid for my Fulbright scholarship. That's when I learned what capitalism was. When I got back from Berlin, I walked out onto Times Square and the lights were so bright, I had to hide in the public library. After I stop the war, I want to sue Nike, Pringles and Cup 'O Soup for taking up space in my brain without paying rent. But back to stupid. This is what I think is stupid. 1)Occupying an Arab nation for 5-10 years and trying to build a democracy. You say you want to protect Americans, but occupying Iraq is a little or a lot like colonization and would make a great recruitment ad campaign for Osama. Meanwhile, you haven't managed to send any security funds to any cities. We're all having to pay for our own duct tape. And anyhow, the colonizer always loses. Remember, we used to be a colony. 2)The fact that you got to be president. I should have really said this first, but I'm not in the mood to cut and paste. But seriously, this is the whole problem. 3)The fact that people think I'm not American because I think it's stupid that you're president. In fact, this bothers me so much that at protests I've started waving an unaltered American flag when I yell "Drop Bush, Not Bombs." 4)Giving 30 Billion dollars a year to Israel 5)Writing mandatory public school reforms and then not giving states the money to implement them. There are more things that I think are stupid, but I don't want to overwhelm you. I think it's very smart that you don't teach people to read in this country. It makes it easier for them to like you. Fox news has those great little slogans, so the people don't have to read. They can just love you and hate everything else. Between the taxes and the war I've come to think you're evil incarnate. Sincerely, Magdalena Zurawski --------- ABOUT THE POETS: ANSELM BERRIGAN's lated book ZERO STAR HOTEL is available from http://www.aerialedge.com/zero.htm BUCK DOWNS lives and works in Washington, DC. His first book, marijuana softdrink., is available from Edge Books http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm MYTILI JAGANNATHAN lives in Philadelphia, where she has been actively involved in the community arts work of the Asian Arts Initiative over the past five years. Her poems have appeared in _Combo_, _Interlope_, _XConnect_, _Salt_, _Mirage#4/Period[ical]_, _Rattapallax_, and _Xcp: Cross-Cultural Poetics_. See Mytili at http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/ KEVIN KILLIAN is a novelist, art writer, poet and playwright. He has written several books including I CRY LIKE A BABY, SHY, ARCTIC SUMMER and ARGENTO SERIES. With Dodie Bellamy he is editing the work of their late friend, Sam D'Allesandro, for a collected stories volume. He lives in San Francisco. EILEEN MYLES is a poet who lives in NY and a novelist who teaches at UCSD. Latest book of poems Skies, on my way, latest novel, Cool for You. Visit http://www.eileenmyles.com ALICE NOTLEY is the author of more than twenty books of poetry. Her book-length poem THE DESCENT OF ALETTE was published by Penguin in 1996, followed by MYSTERIES OF SMALL HOUSES (1998), which was one of three nominees for the Pulitzer Prize and was the winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Award for Poetry. Her latest book DISOBEDIENCE is the recipient of the 2002 Griffin Poetry Prize: http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html She now lives permanently in Paris. GIL OTT is Editor and Publisher of Singing Horse, a literary press. Now in its 27th year of continuous operation, Singing Horse has produced over twenty-five titles by emerging poets and writers. The journal Paper Air, which the Press published from 1976 through 1990, was the recipient of an Editors' Fellowship from the Council of Literary Magazines and Presses in 1985. He has published thirteen books of poetry and prose, including The Yellow Floor (Sun & Moon, 1985), within range (Burning Deck, 1987), Public Domain (Potes & Poets, 1989), and The Whole Note (Zasterle, Canary Islands, Spain, 1996), and Traffic, Chax Press (Tucson, 2001). He is married to the poet and educator Julia Blumenreich. They have a daughter, Willa. They live in the Mt Airy section of Philadelphia. Some links to Gil Ott on the web: http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/ott.html http://www.chax.org/chaxlist.htm FRANK SHERLOCK curates the La Tazza Reading Series w/ Magdalena Zurawski in Philadelphia. His poems have recently appeared in Puppy Flowers, TOOL and can we have our ball back? Past chapbooks include 13 (ixnay 1999) and a collaboration with CAConrad entitled, end/begin w/chants. Their latest joint effort is an open-ended project materializing as The City Real & Imagined: Philadelphia Poems. A new seris of poems appears in the new ixnay reader http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm See some of his poems at http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm and more at http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI is a waiter/writer living in Philadelphia. She is working on a novel called THE BRUISE. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:06:03 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Scrub Cedar by Nelson Ball new from above/ground press celebrating 10 years in 2003 ----- Scrub Cedar, new poems by Nelson Ball Active as a poet, editor & small press publisher in the 1960's & early 1970's (Weed/Flower Press), since 1972, Nelson Ball has been an antiquarian bookseller specializing in Canadian Literature. He is the author of numerous collections of poetry, including ROUND TABLE (twobitter), Bird Tracks on Hard Snow (ECW Press), & THE CONCRETE AIR (ECW Press). His next collection, At The Edge Of The Frog Pond (Mercury Press) is due in fall 2003. He lives in Paris, Ontario. STILL A still afternoon no wind no sound a cow ooooos at a distance no other sound no crickets no frogs a silence in mild mid-December ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' a complimentary copy. to order, send $4 (+ $1 for postage, or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= starting January 1st, 2003 - above/ground press - $30 (Canadian) per calendar year for chapbooks, asides + broadsheets (non-Canadian, $30 US). current & forthcoming publications by shannon bramer, Andy Weaver, Artie Gold, rob mclennan, Nelson Ball, Julia Williams, Gil McElroy, Donato Mancini, Barry McKinnon & others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Lisa Samuels, rob mclennan & Gil McElroy. bibiography on-line. ======= also, check out the catalog page for GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. includes a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desberets, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord., Small Press Action Network - Ottawa (SPAN-O) ...snail c/o rr#1 maxville ontario canada k0c 1t0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * 7th coll'n - paper hotel (Broken Jaw Press) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:45:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Mirakove in SPT's New Experiments series this Saturday 3/15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents Saturday, March 15, 2003 at 3:30 PM New Experiments: Carol Mirakove on Anxieties of Information: Intimacy & Appropriation Talk and discussion begins at 3:30, reading at 5:00 Carol Mirakove writes: "What does information mean, anyway? We?ll look at what it meant to Marshall McLuhan, circa 1967, and what it meant to Adilkno, circa 1998. But this is for sure: As the Internet becomes increasingly integral to our daily realities, we encounter overwhelming access to -- and unsolicited feeds of -- information in mass quantities. In contemporary poetry, I see patterns of information engagement through the ostensible use of source texts, and through a heightened consciousness of our pervasive and invasive popular cultures (news media, advertising, art), particularly as they affect our social and political relationships. As agents of information in a hyper-commercialized economy, I find two chronic anxieties: (1) Is genuine intimacy possible?, and (2) How might we serve as accurate witnesses for people who are subject to gross injustice? I will address the presence of these concerns in texts authored by Jackson Mac Low, Amiri Baraka, Joan Retallack, Harryette Mullen, Carolyn Forche, Leslie Scalapino, Sianne Ngai, Rod Smith, Heather Fuller, Elizabeth Treadwell, and Gary Sullivan; I invite the audience to offer others. Additionally, I will touch on patterns of information use as they are variously paralleled in the work of contemporary musicians, such as Australian turntablists The Avalanches, Dutch indie pop group Solex, Canadian rock composers Godspeed You Black Emperor!, and USAmerican audio activists Ultra-red." Mirakove will read poems from Fuck the Polis (Los Angeles, California: 1999-2001). She is the author of temporary tattoos (BabySelf Press, 2002) and WALL (ixnay press, 1999), and is featured with Laura Elrick and Heather Fuller in the current issue of QUID. She is a founding member of the subpress collective, with whom she published Fractured Humorous by Edwin Torres. Unless otherwise noted, all events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to SPT members, youth under 18, and the CCAC community. Unless otherwise noted, all events are held in Timken Lecture Hall, CCAC, 1111-8th Street, San Francisco, near the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin. For directions & a map, please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/fac_dir.html Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCAC 1111 - 8th Street San Francisco, California 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org 415-551-9278 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 02:04:10 +0530 Reply-To: Aryanil Mukherjee Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Anti-War Cry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; bengali = "yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Stephens Subject: Re: h.d. book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.factoryschool.org/content/pubs/rhood/duncan/HD_Book.pdf Quoting David Hadbawnik : > could anyone tell me where i can download duncan's h.d. book? > > thanks > > DH > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen > Conrad > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:47 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: POETS of 9for9: Anselm Berrigan, Buck Downs, Mytili > Jagannathan, Kevin Killian, Eileen Myles, Alice Notley, Gil Ott, > Frank > Sherlock, Magdalena Zurawski > > > go to > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > or view text below > --------- > > > > 9for9 > --------- > set 1 of 9 > > Anselm Berrigan > Buck Downs > Mytili Jagannathan > Kevin Killian > Eileen Myles > Alice Notley > Gil Ott > Frank Sherlock > Magdalena Zurawski > > copyright © 2003 > to all participating > poets upon publication > > questions by > CAConrad > > published by > Mooncalf Press > POBox 22521 > Philadelphia, PA 19110 > MooncalfPress@hotmail.com > > 9for9 is a collection of 9 questions for 9 poets and their > answers. This is > the first set of 9 sets. Some of the questions came from dreams, > others > from > waking ideas. The project was conducted through e-mail, > questions arriving > in Inboxes once a week, usually on friday. > > If you wish to communicate with any of the poets included, please > feel free > to send correspondence to the e-mail address CAConrad13@aol.com, > with the > subject line "9for9 correspondence". I promise to forward your > message to > the poet you wish to connect with. > > Thank you, > CAConrad > > --------- > > QUESTION 1: > Doctors have invented a new implant which can be placed in the > brains of > newborns to prevent all forms of suffering for a lifetime. Is > this a good > choice? Explain your answer. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > No. Is the implant some kind of life-lasting inner joint or > something? And > that seems to imply that joy and suffering can be implanted (I > mean if you > can eliminate suffering you can probably double the load too, > right?) -- > i.e.: if some non-sufferers have some bombs dropped on their > heads are they > not going to suffer? > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Steve Abbott had a questionnaire form for poets that I assume > got > distributed > around to his students & they used it, because it wasn't Steve > who sent it > to > Joe Brainard. Joe did try to answer it pretty honestly even > though the > questions were all not ones that applied much to the life that > Joe was > living. For example, there was a question about significant > audio & all Joe > could say was I have a tape by Morrissey because so-and-so gave > it to me & I > listen to it some because I have it, and a question about flying > saucers > that > shows Joe to have been more or less indifferent to the phenomenon > of > humanity's projection of its self-image onto foreign rocks & into > strange > cans. > > I never think of suffering in the way this question thinks of it. > I think > of > my sore knee, I think of my mom's bronchitis or Tom Raworth's, > etc. etc. The > race of newborns and the race of doctors are both demographic > fictions that > don't correlate to the life I live. I would not trust any > scientist or > medical professional who accepted the concept embodied in this > question as a > principle for research; I would expect them to be a serious > fuckup, and the > inventor of some high-priced piece of shit that would first > magnify human > suffering to catastrophic levels before addressing it, and then > failing to > address it in any significant way, and mostly leaving a big mess > for > crackers > like me to have to come clean up and/or pay for. > > I would be a lot more impressed if these doctors would come up > with a pop to > give my mom or Tom that would undo a lifetime of cigarette > smoking and life > and give them back undiminished lung capacity. Or any other > serious effort > to tackle an actual problem. > > Ugh. I think this question was supposed to be a big fat softball > that would > allow me to rhapsodize in a long eloquent 'statement' about the > beautiful > animal man [sic] and s/her ability to transcend bad breaks & > shit; sorry to > have blown it, but I don't give a fuck about 'newborns' or any > other > abstracted classes of humanity at all. Demographic abstraction > is an enemy > of human contact, and human contact is all poetry has left going > for it in > the media/market/culture that is its substrate. Everything else, > as Dave > Hickey once said, is advertising and term-papers. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I guess I disagree with the premises and assumptions of this > question. > First > of all, on a very basic level, allopathic medical science has a > lot to learn > about the operations of even "physical" pain, let alone emotional > pain and > suffering. I mean, just to take something widely diagnosed in > the U.S. like > depression; sure, there are drugs that have been invented that do > help some > people, presumably by acting on neurotransmitters, but even the > details of > this process are unclear to scientists. Also unanswered > (perhaps > unanswerable) is the question of causality—-are changes in brain > chemistry > the cause of depression, or does depression cause changes in > brain > chemistry? > And organic bodily processes are not simply > "mechanical"—they're > informational and "intelligent," so even something like genetic > engineering > is more complex than discrete and dramatic on-and-off switches. > And other > kinds of suffering: what is suffering? How could you catalog, > much less > prevent "all forms" of it? > > So that's one part of my objection. The other part is that a lot > of > suffering-as-we-know-it (which is where we begin, after all) is > intricately > bound up with social/political/economic relations and our > experience as part > of collective forms/structures that have powerful energies and > effects > (need > I point out the previously unimaginable scope of contemporary > global > capitalism?). Of course there are biological factors that > influence > physical > and psychic experiences, but such factors are always in play > with > environmental conditions, in the broadest sense of "environment." > So, I > think that "suffering" is not an individual condition that can be > "solved" > by > genetic/medical solutions. > > I think that socially, politically, prophetically, if you like, > of course > struggles for justice proceed with the "end of suffering" as a > horizon, but > it's just as important how we imagine and enact those > transformative > processes. I think the processes are inherently social, > material, > relational, and yes, embodied; but it's certainly not going to > come about > through any top-down techno/medical Big Bang. And creating a > dynamic, > relational justice doesn't necessarily mean the end of all pain > (we won't > overcome mortality, after all, we're dying all the time at the > cellular > level, and extending old-age might even create > as-yet-unexperienced forms of > pain, who knows?), but an end to those social structures that > "freeze" or > institutionalize suffering. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I hope they invent a similar implant that would induce tolerance > and respect > as well, otherwise what's to prevent the human race from turning > cruel if no > other human will suffer because of the first implant? Then our > animal > friends among other species will be living worse lives than ever. > Save the > animals now! > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > No this is a bad choice. They would have to be adjusting it > constantly which > would disturb the growing infants sense of balance. Actually I > think they > have already done this and it is vaccinations and they have so > much mercury > in them that kids are coming up autistic. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > What are 'all forms of suffering'? How can science define them? > I wouldn't > let a scientist define what constitutes suffering -- I know you > are after an > answer concerning the role of suffering in existence and whether > living > would > be better if suffering were eliminated, but I can't relate to the > idea of > the > scientist or doctor as the eliminator of suffering. Or is it > that you are > thinking only of disease and physical difference as forms of > suffering? I > tend to think of suffering as something caused by other humans -- > I tend to > think of the other animals as beings who don't suffer unless we > cause them > to > suffer or who perhaps suffer in their death throes but not much > before. If > you want to know if suffering is of value, that's a different > question. I > would prefer not to suffer and I would prefer that others not > suffer even > more than I do -- to know that they do is horrible and makes me > feel guilty. > But there is no 'doctor' and to even fantasize one is to miss the > point: > the > doctor helps create suffering by presuming to know more about its > forms than > others do. My suffering has been of value to me partly because > it has > rescued me from the doctors and their mechanistic view of > reality. But I > don't think I should have had to suffer in order to find out what > I know. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Answering this question can only be a matter of faith, replacing > a spiritual > entity with "science." I think the question is asked more > playfully than > that, but I don't think there's any other way to honestly answer > it. A poet > recognizes that it's one's suffering (or vulnerability) which > determines > one's character - I recently read a passage in Rilke's Brigge > reaffirming > this, though I can't locate the exact passage now - so the > question itself > is > moot. More likely: If the suffering person could escape his > suffering, would > he (which raises the nearly redundant: could he, and still be > himself?)? A > point of honor among contemporary disability activists is that > they would > not > accept the cure for their conditions, were one concocted. > Disregarding the > inexactitude of applied science, and the concomitant sufferings > it inflicts > on subjects in pursuit of cures, the question becomes one of > identity. > > Now ask me that question: Could science free me from the notion > of identity, > would I take the cure? But then, perhaps science, or some agency, > would > necessarily supply me with a reliable identity to start with. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Of course this is a terrible idea! It can only lead to fascism. > Those of us > already walking the earth sans suffer block will be forced to > suffer for > those who can't feel it. Camps. Torture. Entertainment. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Don't you think that a prevention from suffering would be a kind > of > suffering > in itself? People with the implant would wander through a culture > without > the > possibility of empathy. What an alienating feeling!! Imagine the > loneliness > when listening to cowboy songs about loneliness knowing that you > do not know > the loneliness they sing!! Having such an implant would probably > be very > similar to watching war live on CNN. This week I saw a movie and > the girl > said "I just want to feel loved" and the boy said "I just want to > feel." And > it seemed to sum things up in a nutshell. I wasn't even stoned > when I saw it > and I thought "I used to be the boy, but now I'm the girl." I > think the > implant would keep us all on the boy's side of things. It's a > terrible > place. > I'd rather be lonely than be lonely, if you know what I mean. > --------- > > > QUESTION 2: > There's a face of a poet on the kite you are flying over the > city. Who is > this poet? When you reel them back from the wind what will you > ask? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > Face of Steve Carey. Steve, how did you get here? > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > well if it's my kite I must've painted drawn or ironed-on the > poet's picture > since it's not likely that I'll be buying any e.g., Jack Spicer > regalia, or > anything else, at Toys-R-Us anytime soon. > > Was it Jack Spicer who said, > > "I think that I shall never cite > a poem as lovely as a kite?" > > of course it wasn't. It was I, or actually, me. > > I hope I would have the perspicacity not to reel in the kite at > all, but get > it up to a way cool height & then cut the string, allowing the > kite to crash > in a faraway place like Baltimore or even Glen Burnie, where a > youngun would > find it & say, "did Jack Spicer run for President, or what?". > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Interesting: the form of this question—-the delicacy, intimacy, > and magical > quality of this imagined act—-makes me think of the Chilean poet > and artist > Cecilia Vicuña. She grew up in Santiago, supported Allende's > participatory > socialist government, and lived in exile after Allende's murder > and the long > horror of Pinochet. "Thread" is a central figure—-both material > and > symbolic—-in her poetry and installations. All of her work seems > to be a > kind > of "activation": making visible and visceral the reality that we > are all > connected. It sounds so simple conceptually but it's so > incredibly > powerful. > She's done installations where she has woven threads connecting > two sides > of > a street, or the opposite banks of a river, both below and above > the water's > surface. I've seen a photograph of an action she did in Bogata, > Columbia, > to > protest the distribution of contaminated milk. It was called > "Vaso de > leche": she announced beforehand the time and location of her > action. At > the > appointed time, she pulled on a long piece of red yarn that was > wrapped > around the a glass of milk, spilling it into the street. Then > she wrote a > poem in the street: "The cow/is the continent/whose milk (blood)/ > is spilt./ > What are we doing/ with life?" Cecilia says: "I look at things > backwards, as > they are going to look when I am gone. I have a very intense > feeling that > what we do is already the remains of what we are doing. The dead > water, our > poems." > > So this is why your fascinating image of this face on a kite, > held by a > string, floating over the city, reminds me of her. I'm not sure > I can guess > what words she'd say, perhaps some new instance of her practice > of poetic > etymologies emerging from what she saw across Philly, breaking > words apart > "so that their internal metaphors were exposed" and new paths of > meaning > revealed. One of my favorite of these etymologies she's done: > "SOL-I-DAR-I-DAD (Give and give sun)." What spaces, what words > would she > thread together in Philadelphia? > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > The poet is Ronald Johnson, and when the kite comes back I'll ask > that face, > will you ever forgive me? > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Bob Kaufman. How did it feel? > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > No identifiable face -- it keeps changing. (No special poet.) > The question > I ask is awful. > --------- > > GIL OTT > The poet's face on my kite is Frank Samperi, reclusive when he > was alive, > but > now deceased at least a decade. I would ask him to elaborate on > the word > "procession," which he used to distinguish from "process." I > imagine this > man's mind as pure witness, tuned to the essential deity of > events, and so > endangered. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > It is the worn, defiant face of Osip Mandelstam. I read him > "Nightsong" and > ask if American poets will likewise study the science of saying > goodbye. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > The kite is a mirror that shows me I have no face. The kite asks, > what are > you, little girl? > --------- > > > QUESTION 3: > You open a book that won't close. Maybe you accept it? Maybe > you struggle > to close it? Each chapter is titled INSTRUCTIONS FOR POETS. > Instead of > words a variety of strange shapes fill the pages. The last page > is blank so > you can communicate to other poets an idea you feel is vital. > The only > requirement is that you use no words, but draw a picture instead. > Describe > what you would draw. Explain the drawing if you want, although > it might be > more interesting to let us figure it out. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I would draw a three-dimensional cube. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > In the alternate universe from which this question comes and in > which I can > draw with any efficacy at all, I would take yet another page from > the Bill > Hicks playbook that is my practical guide to spiritual matters & > draw a > picture of my parents fucking, in honor of the great creative > power of cock > & > cunt that makes the human race go cat go. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > A book that won't close—-another magical image, reminds me of my > earliest > obsession with fairy tales. But I don't know what I would draw. > If I can > pile magic upon magic here, perhaps this: a page of unidentified > animal > sounds, actually heard when the page is touched. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > A drawing of a green fairy, sprung from the absinthe label, > quickening > silver > wings above the old city night sky, some would see it is of Kylie > Minogue, > others will turn the page and end the book. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > It would be a bear trying to get his paw in a honey jar. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > The drawing is of a human torso between the shoulders, throat > area and just > below the navel. Above the navel are several holes, small rather > blurred > circles in which one can see the remnants of letters of the > alphabet without > being able to make them out precisely. An upper curve of a P or > B or R for > example, but what you see looks damaged as if the letter has been > roughly > pulled out. One is not sure if there are four or five holes > because one of > them is so faint. However, it is possible to see that the holes > are > bleeding. One has the impression that a word has been ripped out > of the > torso and what is left are the ghosts of letters, the ghost of a > word. > --------- > > GIL OTT > This question is too cute. I am a poet, a writer, a word artist, > and my > medium is words. Indeed, "strange shapes fill the pages" when I > read, but > their articulation is verbal. In my experience, an image is a > knot, > a complex made of words that is untied through a visual synapse. > If I am to > continue playing this game, I will offer the image of fire, not A > fire, but > the Biblical or spiritual fire, that burns everywhere and > consumes nothing. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Paging through this imaginary book, I imagine myself trapped in a > prism- or > bouncing around a cylinder, like a nerd stuffed in a dryer. > Maybe I'm > running the outside of a spinning wheel like a sequined circus > vet. My page > would be simple- the outline of a thick, red arrow pointing to > the top of > the > page. Away from the map reader. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > A small dot slightly left of center. It looks like a perfect dot, > but with a > magnifying glass you can notice that the edges are uneven. Most > importantly, > the dot is so small you can easily pass over the page and assume > it is > empty. > The title of the chapter is "The definition of poetry." > --------- > > > QUESTION 4: > S.A.M., the three things Elizabeth Bishop believed made a > satisfying poem: > Spontaneity, Accuracy, Mystery. How does this compare with what > you look > for > in a poem? Or do you have an acronym of your own? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I don't know, I haven't known how to answer this one. I'm afraid > that > looking > for satisfying elements would fuck with my head in a way that I'm > not into, > at least not right now. I'm lately very interested in a quality > or > disquality > of poems that makes readers uncomfortable, even scared. But the > poem still > has to be alive, and that does take skill, if not necessarily > technical > skill. Skill of word by word awareness of all that juice you and > I know > poems > may have. Maybe that is a technical skill, like attentiveness > being a > technical skill, or kindness(?) -- another set of questions > there. I know a > lot of very intelligent poets who know what it is their poems are > doing, and > have a lot of interesting things to say about poetry, other > peoples' poems. > But their poems are weaker than their ideas, essays, theories, > and I find > myself not wanting to engage. As for S.A.M., the idea of > spontaneity as > something to look for strikes me as passive-aggressive. I now > want to say > that I look for poems that are as fucked up as people, but that > doesn't > sound > right either. I like music. I got told that was simplistic once > by a guy > poet, but I'm a simple person. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > hmm how about SPAM (SILENT POWERS ALL MINE) > > well one person's Mystery is another's Empty Ritualism, and > Elizabeth Bishop > seems about as spontaneous as Halley's Comet, I mean really. But > then > perhaps > she sought those things because she knew from her own poetry how > they are > forever in short supply. > > Since I don't teach and I don't learn, I feel relatively freed > from the need > to be consistent or coherent in what I seek & all such as that; & > indeed, if > all or most of what I got from a poem conformed to what I was > "looking for", > wouldn't that be like changing socks twelve times a day for > variety, & > shouldn't I just quit. > > But I was thinking about the death of Jeff Buckley again this > weekend after > "Mojo Pin" came up on the old shuffler. The mysterious flavor of > Jeff's > predicament arouses me whenever I think about it, to be > misunderstood so > thoroughly, so terminally; as though the soul of 29-year-old > Freddie Mercury > woke up one morning to find itself trapped in the 45-year-old > body of Bob > Dylan. What a curse! to go to bed supple and sexy and powerful, > and wake up > profound and appreciated and old. > > It's hard to imagine what E.B. wanted to get over in formulating > her S.A.M.; > I would tend to dismiss it as cheap pedagogy. But mnemonics are > for the > givers of tests and grades, and so are not of any real concern to > poets and > poetry. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I'm friends with spontaneity and mystery, though I'm not sure > about > accuracy. > This is the kind of question that's quite dependent on mood. > And I love > the > activity—-reminds me of Lee Ann Brown's _Polyverse_. Here are two > (I had to > stop, I could go on forever): > > SCRIPT SCRIPT > > Surprise > Caressing > Reverberate > Inciting > Plurals > Tender > Scrappy > Capacious > Runaway > Intersecting > Potent > Traffic > > or, together: > > Scrappy Surprise > Capacious Caressing > Reverberate Runaway > Inciting Intersecting > Potent Plurals > Tender Traffic > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I'm not particular about accuracy, and spontaneity is an illusion > isn't it, > the great artifice of Bishop's own poetry, which so many seem to > like so > much, and that precisely introduces the element of mystery, so it > seems like > a fine definition viewed at in one light. She's so articulate, > she makes me > feel like the fuzz that rises off of an old dead dandelion. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > I like legibility, pace and artifice. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > I look for Truthfulness, Relevance, and Great Skill. They do not > make a > good > acronym. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Sounds good to me. I wouldn't second-guess another poet's > criteria for > satisfaction. But what I look for in my reading anymore isn't > satsifaction; > I > want the writing to spur me to write. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > D- directness > E- engaging the world of objects & of souls > R- redirection > A- action, verb attention > I- illumination > L- liberation > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I think that I probably would agree with Bishop, though I do not > know what > she means exactly by "spontaneity," "accuracy" and "mystery." I > only imagine > that I know what she means. I haven't read an essay or anything. > When I'm at > a reading my "liking" or not "liking" is usually answered by my > snide "he > ain't got no music" or "she ain't got no music." But music is > more than > sound > or more accurately meaning is not separate from sound. > --------- > > > QUESTION 5: > All day long whenever you open your mouth a song comes out. > Maybe you get > used to it. Maybe you want to adjust the bass or treble. But > what is this > song? If there are lyrics, is there a particular line you want > the world to > hear come out of you? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > It would be something like Joe Strummer's incomprehensible > singing; you'd > have to be willing to feel it in order for it to be anything for > you. This > is > similar to my feeling about drawing the three-dimensional cube: I > drew that > because it's the only thing I can draw. I can't sing, so I relate > to > Strummer's singing, and I love it anyway, and his lyrics, even > though I > discover that I've imagined them wrong from time to time. Then I > just have > two possibilities for the line instead of one, which is how i > like to > approach lines anyway, at least. I've almost always had crappy > radios so I > can't say much about bass or treble. The basis for my music has > always been > incompetence of a sort, and music. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > The hoot about this, as well as one of the bona-fides that prove > my > freakhood, is that this question pretty accurately describes my > daily life > for the past twenty years or more. All day long whenever I open > my mouth, a > song does come out. This happens most intensely when I am > walking; in > converse of the old joke, it seems I must "walk and chew gum" at > the same > time, or I won't get down the street. This despite the fact that > my voice to > me sounds like a fifty-fifty blend of Martha Raye in her Polident > years and > Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon. > > This morning I had one of the wickedest ear-worms known to man: > the guitar > solo leading into the second chorus of "I Love A Rainy Night" by > Eddie > Rabbit, as thoroughly muddled and irreparable a song as could be > heard on AM > radio in the last thirty years. Later, sweet relief, it was > fragments of > "Testify" by Ronnie Wood, but as if it were sung to the tune of > "Mustt > Mustt" > by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party. Or sounded like that to me, who > knows what > it sounded like to anyone outside of my head. "Imagination," as > Chet Baker > once sang, "is funny." > > I used to be ashamed of this habit when I was a kid, because most > everybody > who ever heard me do it either made fun of me or they put the > glad hand on > me > about how I should join the chorus, the choir, the whatever; > stupid pimps, > always trying to sell you a stupid job. But, you know, shame is > for chumps; > and every day is another opportunity to get the fuck over it > already. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Oh god, this actually happens to me all the time. I have songs > in my head > that I sing and that can fill me up for hours. I can't really > describe the > lyrics I sing in these moments—-maybe a few English or Tamil > words in the > mix, but strangely for the most part, they're not really words in > any > language that I can identify. (I sometimes joke that it’s "fake > Hindi"). > It's more a matter of melodies that stick in my head and > syllables that ride > across them. A kind of folksong—something you can sing in a > group—clap your > hands to—-or weep strongly to—-a simple stanzaic structure, but > punchy > words/rhythm, lines ending in vowels. Within the group singing, > moments of > call-and-response, join and depart. Sometimes the same songs > recur, weeks > apart, innocently. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > Oh, I'm too shy to sing in public . . . Maybe in the shower. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > he whistled and he sang > and the green woods > rang > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > There is no song that comes out of me. My head is full of the > shitty lyrics > of others, countless songs, I wish I didn't know so many. I have > a fear of > dying with my mind playing some hideous Beatles song or an > ancient show > tune. > I don't think song lyrics should be memorable. > --------- > > GIL OTT > (...) > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > "Minstrel Boy" is an Irish traditional song that can carry me > through just > about anything. It's an amazing idea, to walk the streets of > Philadelphia > with the bagpipes moaning out my mouth. I'm partial to a recent > version of > the song by Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > These are the words I can remember from the last few days. Name > the songs > and > win a prize: "Puerto Rican Jane, o won't you tell me what's your > name," "And > Mary Lou, she learned how to cope, she rides the heaven on a > gyroscope, the > daily news asks her for the dope, she says, man, the dope's that > there's > still hope", "I said I'm hurt. Honey, she said, let me heal it." > "Man that > ain't oil that's blood," "I guess I really dug her I was too > loose to > think", > "Hey bus driver keep the change, bless your children, give them > names", "Let > the broken-hearted love again!!," "Did you hear that the cops > finally busted > madam Marie for telling fortunes better than they do, for me this > boardwalk > life's through, you ought quit this scene too." And each line > comes one at a > time upon waking and grinds like a washing machine as if the > words were the > window for the day. Maybe that's why there's been so much "that > ain't oil, > that's blood". > --------- > > > QUESTION 6: > IS THIS AN EXCITING TIME FOR POETRY!? PLEASE EXPLAIN! THANK > YOU! (or > explain why it is not) > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > This is an exciting time for poetry, to me. But I always think it > is an > exciting time for poetry, no matter the realities present. I > started writing > poems and being involved with poetry in part because of that > excitement and > the fact that it felt and feels timeless and immediate at once. I > do not > care > about the apparatus of publishing, or the local politics, or the > attendant > map-making and map-burning that go on within poetry communities > and circles > in the face of this question. Time is exciting, devastating and > cruel, yes, > and there is kindness in there, and joy -- any particular time > contains > these > things. Poetry allows me to see it. Not to see it better, more > clearly, > etc., > but to see it at all, I think sometimes. Time, the times, > anyone's times. > Poetry is never not there, despite rampant claims otherwise, or, > more to the > point, despite no claims for or against, in many places. Poetry > is older > than > money, and fresher than money. And lately I am excited by and for > poetry > because I do not want to see it be anything defined by "our > times" or "the > times", which cannot be owned, like poetry. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > well you get the times you get > & you can get excited about it > > why do I continue to remember Ms. Dabney who in 8th Grade covered > an entire > blackboard with the words 'ONLY THE BORING ARE BORED' Ah well it > keeps me > entertained. > > As poetry's social obsolescence has become nearly complete some > 100+ years > after the advent of recorded sound, I feel pretty good, freed as > I am from > the tale of the tribe, unacknowledged legislation, arms and the > man, and all > the rest of the pre-20th Century crap that has been foisted upon > poets by > the > collected cops priests and teachers of the race, who have always > resented > the > fact that poets get to talk right to god all the time, no vows, > no training, > no tenure required. > > The load of social relevance, poorly-borne for centuries by poets > and > poetry, > has been taken up by the media, thanks, and the newspapers and > their > generations of broadcast descendents have wonderfully siphoned > all social > obligation out of the making of poems. The politicization of > literacy has, > despite itself, been quite a helpmate too, since poets no longer > have any > reason to teach anyone how to read in the wake of government > monopolization > of the education industry. > > So all told it seems like a great deal if you have no aspirations > to boss > others around. Poets no longer have to do any of the cultural > shit-work > that > they have been forced to do for centuries in order to make their > way in > society, and or but they still get to make poems, talk to god, > get real > high, > & about two or three other things that make being alive so very > cool to > begin > with. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Yes, definitely! There's such a proliferation of kinds of > poetries that > people can encounter now. So many language traditions and > evolving > practices, sonic propensities, cultural contexts, nows/thens, > oral/aural, > pictorial, pixeled, parchment, palm leaf. . . And movements in > many > countries > have been challenging the class/color/communal/gender lines > within their > cultural spheres. I think for people who are aware of this > intense spectrum > of activity, it might also make them anxious in some way, either > because of > loss of previously held power, or simply because people need > sustainable > communities, and the continuity that underlies real > conversations. Of > course, global and local power imbalances on the language/culture > front will > affect the way any interactions occur, but I'm interested in > seeing where > these crossings take us. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I'm excited. There were a few years in the doldrums in the late > 80s and > early 90s, when it seemed that everything was just being done to > death, and > the people who were experimenting in prose were miles and miles > ahead of the > poets (excuse me for casting this in the form of a competitive > trope like > CHARIOTS OF FIRE). And then something turned around and I began > to notice > immediate, local, grass roots signs of a rebirth of poetry, here > in San > Francisco at any rate. There was a lot of excitement, stemming > as usual > from > the young poets who were going to school at New College, at UC > Berkeley, and > at San Francisco State, as well, of course, as a larger group > without any > academic affiliation, these homogenous lumps of people suddenly > met up, > collided, brokered up, reformatted, and, I think changed the > nature of > poetry > here in the Bay Area. With this new generation came a subsequent > return to > status of an older, unfairly occluded and in some cases > half-asleep > generation whom the new kids took as their models and teachers, > Whalen, > Kyger, Clark, Berkson, not only the Bolinas bunch but a dozen > others as > well. > Someone should write a book, or better yet create a documentary > that would > trace the sociological roots of this renaissance. With Helen > Mirren as Lyn > Hejinian, Ashton Kutcher as Anselm Berrigan,Casey Affleck as Adam > DeGraff, > Michelle Rodriguez as Renee Gladman, Johnny Depp as Travis Ortiz, > and Ian > McKellen as Philip Lamantia. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Well, we're in a very conservative repressive time and poetry can > always get > up on its hind legs and speak and the temptation to say the wrong > thing is > there, and so you can do that or not, I mean there's a lot of > choices and I > say we're living in a state of active complexity, so yeah I think > I have to > agree, it is an exciting time for poetry. Dive in. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > I don't care if it's an exciting time for poetry or not. Though > I wonder > what it's like for the poets in Ethiopia right now. > --------- > > GIL OTT > The only "exciting" times for poetry are those when the art > permits the > illusion of progress: either when the scales fall from my own > eyes and I wr > ite, well, without obstruction, or those glorious moments when I > perform and > click with the crowd. These are both personal excitements, and I > think > you're > asking about the collective. There the illusion of power is > magnified, but > its beauty is diluted. The community of poets grows diverse and > accepting of > its diversity. This, I do believe, is happening in Philadelphia. > But while a > crowd is necessary for an audience, it grows oxymoronic when > applied to > poetry, which is intrinsically individual. Back to my statement > about > diversity. Tolerance, cultivation, eagerness for diversity, these > are the > only collective strengths of poetry. The community in > Philadelphia was long > balkanized, but is putting that behind itself, and that is > exciting. > > FRANK SHERLOCK > This is very exciting time for poetry! More poets than ever > before-more > styles. More style integration. Less Cold War leftover > new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss bunk. To the chagrin of select > elders looking > for direct overthrow attempts (for relevance confirmation), > today's poets > take influence & move in their own direction- albeit outside the > established > framework. > > This is an exciting time & an important time, particularly in the > United > States. A "war without end" has begun. The American poet is much > more likely > to suffer a civil liberty attack from John Ashcroft than s/he is > to be > attacked from Al Qeda. The coming years promise to be even more > exciting in > a > dark & vital time. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Any time is an exciting time if you're in a room alone or with > people and > excited. > --------- > > > QUESTION 7: > Are you living in the same geographic region of your childhood? > If so, how > does this affect your poetry? If not, is that location still > relevant to > your poetry? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I am currently living about five blocks from where I grew up in > Manhattan's > East Village. The fact of living here does not affect my poetry, > although I > have noticed in considering this question that I haven't written > as much > here > as I did in Brooklyn, San Francisco or Buffalo (11-12 years that > period, > covering 1989-2000) -- but that is incidental so far, I think. > The location > is still relevant to my poetry as a source of personal shaping, > tho' the > neighborhood was different when I was growing up (more families, > more > dangerous, more politicized, less expensive; somewhat kinder). I > did not > like > this area when I was 16, and I don't think that has much to do > with anything > but me at that age, and our small apartment. My tendencies to > like people > (individuals, as opposed to the species; like Swift, in a sense) > and to look > at them are highly shaped by living in this area along with being > brought up > by parents who were very open people, in a community-oriented > sense. God > damn > people coming through the apt. every day. This is built into my > poetry. > Also, > we had a railroad apt. of four rooms for a family of four, which > meant not a > lot of space. Consequently I read a lot, though I might have done > so anyway, > and I learned to be comfortable in my head (for privacy), and to > search > around its edges (tho' I never would have put it that way until > now), which > is also built into the poems, I think, or has been a constant > source of > poetic incitement (is that a word?). I tend to feel incited into > writing, as > opposed to inspired or agitated. This neighborhood does all of > those things > to a person who spends substantial time here, however. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > I grew up in a part of the southern U.S. (Florida below Lake > Okeechobee) > that > has enjoyed a rather retarded integration with the antebellum > Union, Dixie, > and the reconstructed postwar States in turn, and in fact has not > been > overly > friendly to human development as far back as the Micosukee. Of > course, some > ten years plus after the build-through of I-75 and the expansion > of > Alligator > Alley through the Everglades, the predecessor landscape has > knuckled under > to > subsidized agriculture and luxury residential construction. So > where I grew > up no longer exists in every relevant sense except for a > resuidual taxonomy > of older roadways &c. > > My people are not from there at all, but from Mississippi, > specifically > Jones > County, whose slight claim to historicity [sic] is a secession > against the > secession [a.k.a. THE FREE STATE OF JONES], led not by > anti-slavery > ideologues or pro-Union crypto-nationalists, but by straight > fucking > crackers > who saw both Feds and Confeds as rolling up to screw them over. > > So whichever of these places I am from it is all about place out > of place, > intuitive and rational senses of stepping out of the national or > community > sync to do the necessary work of covering your own business. And > the > discovery that every described place is nowhere, that it always > already no > longer exists, or only exists in a fatuous dream, or only exists > as a social > limit of the allowed, or only exists in "advertising and term > papers", to > quote Dave Hickey (again). > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I've lived in Philly for the past 7 or 8 years, so no. I grew up > in West > Virginia. It's such an interesting question for me—I haven't > really thought > about the physical geography consciously in relation to my > poetry, although > I'm sure some level of influence still operates. But I can say > that one of > the most important moments for me as a poet was finding and > reading Muriel > Rukeyser's stunning documentary poem, "The Book of the Dead" > written in 1938 > after she traveled to West Virginia to investigate the story > behind the esc > alating numbers of deaths from silicosis of mine workers in > Hawk's Nest and > Gauley Bridge. It's a breathtaking poem that both exposes the > complicity of > Union Carbide and its local subsidiary in the miners' deaths and > registers > the landscape and people with passionate integrity. The crazy > thing is that > I never heard of this poem while I was growing up in West > Virginia—I read it > for the first time in my senior year of college in Boston. Why > wasn't it > taught in every high school in the state?? But as fate would > have it, I > spent the year after college back in West Virginia doing domestic > violence > work in Sutton, just an hour from Hawk's Nest, where there's now > a beautiful > state park. On a trip to the park, I found a sign that mentioned > the site > of > the old mine, but no mention of what happened there. (And this > was national > news in its time, Congressional investigations were held, etc.). > I think > that experience, the embodied re-experiencing of a landscape > first > encountered through a poem—-and the simultaneously visceral > consciousness of > an erased history—-changed my relationship to West Virginia, gave > me a > deeper > sense of locatedness, and gave me a shifted context for my own > memories of > growing up there. > > My strange experience of racial identity/consciousness is also > strongly > shaped by the West Virginia context. The state is something like > 97% white. > I have repeated vivid childhood experiences of explaining that I > was > "Indian," and being greeted with racist miming gestures/ "war > cries" that > enacted TV stereotypes of Native Americans. "Not that kind of > Indian," I > would say. But almost no one, not even adults, in my early > childhood world > even knew that India was a country. (That began to change after > the movie > _Gandhi_, which came out when I was in 3rd grade). Now I see > that those > moments of "mistaken identity" forced open a different trajectory > of > connection and solidarity for me. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > No, when I was a boy I lived on Long Island's North Shore, and > today I live > South of Market in San Francisco. This transposition, from > Northerner to > Southerner, gave me more freedom to write. There it was always a > question > of > duelling influences, Whitman whose mall I used to cruise on > Saturdays, > O'Hara > who was run over on Fire Island a few miles from the house of the > Amityville > Horror. Walking home from school I met an old man who implied > that in his > own youth he had been the boyfriend of our town's famous > novelist, Owen > Wister who wrote "The Virginian." You long-legged son-of-a- If > you wanna > call me that, then smile. With a gun in my belly, I always > smile. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > No, the region of my childhood is totally irrelevant. I'm looking > at a > different landscape at this moment and the more you sit with > another set of > conditions, the more you find yourself in a different poem. I > want to be in > a > different poem. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > At the moment, mentally, when I write I am living in the exact > same > geographic location I grew up in. I am writing about Alma, who > is god along > with various other women who are god, and the dead women, all the > women who > have lived and died and anyone alive who qualifies as a dead > woman. I am a > dead woman for example. There are also a few men among the dead > women . > After an exasperating time in the first book of it, trying to > vindicate the > rights of all the women who have ever lived, and then being > confronted with > the sheer maleness of the War on Terror, the bombing of > Afghanistan and > coming war against Iraq, the dead women have decided to relocate > in a gully > in my home town. That is a long preliminary answer. I grew up > in the > Mohave > Desert, in Needles California, and I still live there in my head > at the same > time as I live in international cities. It is a town that has > been vilified > by many writers in single sentences; and Leslie Marmon Silko has > burnt it > down in a novel; but I think it is the most beautiful place in > the world. I > live in the gully of dead women, behind the wrecked Rec Center, > with a lot > of > burrowing owls and such. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Yes, I came up in suburban Philadelphia, and so was implanted > early with a > fake rural ideal, which succumbed in adolescence to a yearning > for true > intellectual community. I never found this community in the > university, and > my early poetry is informed by those twin desires: idealized > rural and > alienated urban. What community I subsequently discovered, and > has in time > come to fill those gaps, is more international. Naturally, place > is > formative > of any writing, even in suppression. In my adult years, the city > proper, its > decadence and its diversity, have provided the material of my > writing. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > I have remained in the area where I grew up. The urban image & > thematic > patterns of the city run through my poems, not so much as a > matter of > intention- but of my personal factual base. It's what I have to > work with. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I'm too close to home, like a failed American dream. I keep > looking to some > horizon but the rising rents are starting to block the sun. It > keeps the > song > sad and reaching. > --------- > > > QUESTION 8: > How does the oral tradition fit into your poems? And/or how > not? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > The oral tradition, as I understand it, is built in to my writing > and > reading > of poems. Basically, and most broadly, everything I write that > gets shaped > into poetry must work aloud. That means several, at least, > different things; > not all of which I can articulate at the moment. But I edit in > part by > reading the work out loud, and it has to finally work on the page > and as a > spoken piece of poetry for me to feel like something is done, and > done well > enough to take outside the parameters of my own attention. I love > reading > poems out loud, whether someone is there or not. The art of > poetry as an > oral > practice is one that I feel deeply connected to -- understanding > that I was > raised around poetry as a spoken as well as a written art. The > theatrical > performance of poems or poetic monologues, spoken word and slam > poetry/poetics, rap (music and freestyle), the many types of > blues music > I've > been exposed to, certain modes of standup comedy, informal > storytelling (and > I'm sure I'm leaving some things out) -- all of these have > influenced my > listening, writing, and reading habits and practices in heavy > ways. But you > know, anyone who pays attention to how sounds come out of their > mouth is > interesting to me. So I take it as inherent to my work that > there's an oral > quality I need to attend to no matter what kind of practice I'm > engaged in, > i.e. even the most wacked out experiment or straightforward > narrative has to > work sonically, with a wide range in mind, deliberately, as to > what I mean > by > "work". I consider every reading to an audience a performance, > even if I'm > just gonna stand there and read, which is generally what I do. > But what the > voice does in conjunction with the work makes for a performance, > for me, so > I > try to work it as hard as I can to make for as good a performance > as I can. > And I know for a fact that all I need is my poems and my voice to > give > something to the audience, which has nothing necessarily to do > with what > they > are looking for (other than a reading itself), that they can take > with them. > I like to perform, I like to read poems that I have read before > (they always > sound different), and I like to interact with an audience. These > facts of my > practice are, in my way of thinking, connected to the, or an, > oral > tradition. > The history of the oral tradition is something that I feel I will > be > learning > my entire life, as well, and that needs to be said. Much of what > I know has > to do with the English language and certain components of African > traditions > (for instance, it was very important for me to have someone > explain at a > certain point that alliteration was more of an early basis for > poetry in > English than rhyme - which was imported - largely as a device to > make > stories, poems, etc. easier to remember and pass on in a > pre-writing age), > and that is limiting (gotta work on it). > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Well I can start with the luxury of having thrown away my four > previous > answers to this question to say isn't it great we are no longer > hemmed in by > the limits on human achievement that reside in the "oral > tradition" -- > > If you mean homer cavalcanti & all the pre-typewriter stuff > resusciatated > and > greenhoused for the sake of Western Civilization and its curators > well sure > anyone who hasn't done their homework is just a slob. But at the > same time > the lost world is the lost world & I for one am in no hurry to > get it back. > Orality is either an obsolete distribution channel or a skeleton > key with > which one may elude the ruthless commodification and > trivialization of > spiritual values that results from a print-publishing teleology, > or both. > Whichever. To paraphrase Ted Berrigan, if I really believe in it, > I can't > really talk about it. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I think the oral tradition/impulse is at the base of everything I > do. All > of > those earliest experiences of aural meaning that are so deeply > inscribed: > lullabies, babytalk, Sanskrit chants, Tamil songs (both > traditional > devotionals and popular Tamil cinema songs), bilingual puns, the > way > something in your body changes when you switch languages, nursery > rhymes, > jump-rope rhymes . . . In terms of poetic composition, I > definitely write > both for the ear and the eye (love that linebreak!), but the > spoken/heard > dimension tends to come first in the sequence of my writing > process. Sound > captivates me and pushes me on. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I think it's the other way round and the tradition is too big to > fit into > the > poems, and yet the poems seem to fit into the tradition very > comfortably. > Huge goblet with room for all kinds of brandied waters, blood. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Oh I think my poem is a magnetic tape of the oral tradition. > Since I only > imagine in the technology of my time I think of the poem as a > gleaming > stripe > of highly sensitive material that is somehow marked by every > quiver of the > fluting human voice just the breathing and the grunts and > fullblown words > and > phrases and the absence of sound of any sort, no wind hits the > mirror, but > all of it I think is oral I think because these electronic > impressions are > stuck on the tape by the idea of the voice as it narrates I'm > sorry now the > technological aspect might be wrong-headed possibly digital but > the gleaming > stripe seems more genital than say digital. I wonder why we are > so damn > fixed > on the oral as the appropriate organ of poetry when it could be > obviously as > cerebral cardiovascular and genital. it all seems related and if > you want to > give it to the oral, go ahead. The oral tradition. I mean why not > give it to > the ass. The mouth or the lips or the throat are just the > metonymically > assigned organs when in fact the practice comes from all of it > and seemingly > in live poetry practice only huffs out orally last, like > shitting. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > Which oral tradition do you mean? My poems contain great sounds > and tones > and rhythmic figures; they sound terrific when I read them. They > are meant > to be read on the page aloud mentally. I am utterly influenced, > in my > writing, by the fact that I give poetry readings. I don't feel > as if I > belong to any tradition in this respect except for the general > tradition of > the performer for smallish audiences. I am thinking a lot, at > the moment, > about a flamenco singer named Tia Anica, who didn't begin to > perform until > she was in her fifties. I think I have to begin again. > --------- > > GIL OTT > I guess I have to turn the question around and ask: What is the > "oral > tradition?" I usually think of it in Western terms as the > mnemonic devices > in > rhyme and meter, which enabled the Greeks to remember and > pass on such epics like the Odyssey. This tradition flowered in > the lyric of > the troubadours. But I actually think the "oral tradition" in > contemporary > American poetry is more influenced by African and Caribbean > poetries/musics. > > However conceived, the oral -- spoken or sung -- is essential to > any poetry; > concrete poetry is really more of a visual art. Naturally, within > that > concept are many, many divisions, thus the great diversity and > richness of > poetry today. The big divider today seems to be "Is it for the > page, or for > the voice?" I could say I've written both, though the very notion > of > page-bound poetry is a fallacy. It will always be voiced, even if > silently. > (This is an admission that I still move my lips when I read!) I > could also > say that even when I write narrative or other prose forms, I am > always aware > of the music of the words, and the rhetorical, and spiritual, > power of that > music. > > So in the end, I'd say my answer to the question is: to degrees. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > I'm paraphrasing an Alan Gilbert version of the poetics of > orality (from an > upcoming essay in FENCE), & it goes something like, "Poetry can > never be > separated from either its utterance or reception." Certainly not > a > brand-new > idea, but it's the latest manifestation that caught my ear. > Poetry for me is > processed in a kind of Homeric, Burnsian, B.I.G. manner. The oral > tradition > is bona fide alive & I choose not to separate myself from it. But > that's > just > me. Many poet friends I know choose to hone their work in > relative solitude. > To them I say godspeed & give me a holler once you're away from > the desk. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I use my mouth a lot. > --------- > > > QUESTION 9: > Write a letter to president George W. Bush. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > After sitting and writing a letter to George W. Bush, and even > sending it > off > to CA to include in this piece, I felt foul and cheap. I only > want to speak > to the people who will be reading this, not to him -- a man of > whom it has > been said on CNN, "Even if there was zero percent support for > invading Iraq > the President would go forward anyway because he believes it is > the right > thing to do." I utterly reject this man's principles and morals, > and his > version of life; and I reject the terms of this reality that has > been > imposed > upon us by ages of war and greed. It represents a total failure > of > imagination, and our consciousness, collectively, needs to be > rebuilt -- a > practical need of the species, as a matter of fact. That is the > work I am > interested in, beyond the immediate necessity of opposing war in > all of its > forms. Bush is just the most current visible by-product of this > failure, and > can go fuck himself. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Dear Mr. President: I am a poet, arguably the greatest since > Shakespeare, > and > I am writing you today to ask if Camp David would be available > for my use at > any time in the next twelve months or so. > > My regular job has kept me pretty much on the hustle non-stop for > the last > five years, and it has been hard to devote the necessary time and > energy to > my poetry while holding up my end at work. I'd like to be able to > take a > break for a month or so & relax & catch up on my writing. Camp > David is near > my home here in D.C., & so it would be an ideal place for me to > retreat for > say 3-5 weeks. There I would be able to concentrate on reviewing > and > completing an initial draft of my next book of poems, to be > called JONES > COUNTY. > > I know that when you are at the presidential retreat, it is a > time to > recharge, reflect, and return to Washington better able to > fulfill your > duties as President. It is that kind of experience I would like > to enjoy at > Camp David, and perhaps in some way even capture and preserve in > my poetry. > I > also know that Camp David is primarily set up to provide you and > your family > the privacy they need, and I would not want to interfere with > that purpose. > So I would be interested in making use of Camp David at any time > or times of > the year when you are not actually using it. > > I can drive, cook, and shop for myself, so the impact of my visit > on your > staff could be reduced to nearly nil. I am gainfully employed, > but not > within > the precincts of academia; this means that other traditional > writers > residencies, such as Bread Loaf or McDowell, are not available to > me. I > believe that an opportunity to visit and create at Camp David > would result > in > new poetic work for America and would reflect well on your > administration's > affection for literature and the arts. > > If you want to find out more about me, you can simply type "Buck > Downs" into > Google & browse through the results. To discuss the availability > of Camp > David, I can be reached at the address below. > > Thank you for your time, Mr. President. I look forward to hearing > from you. > > Buck Downs > Box 53318 > Washington, DC 20009 > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > DEAR KING GEORGE W(AR) > > Cant write cant > sew cant stop > cant grow cant > cry cant constitute > cant count cant > route cant right > a letter by > sacrifice > the alphabet > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > President Bush, how I wish that Bill Clinton were still in > office. I always > liked him and you just seem dumb. You make everyone look bad > with your > relentless paranoia and your greed. Dismantle the war apparatus, > oh, but > you > can't. Soon we'll have nowhere to go and the lessons of the 20th > century > will all be unlearned. You remind me of the mad Nazarene with > the demonic > spirit in the pig from the New Testament. That must be the one > parable you > didn't pick up at Amherst or wherever it was. To you I feel that > I must > speak in very short sentences. Lots of periods. Bye. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Dear George, > > [Text unavailable. Poet felt unable to assemble language when > confronted > with > the opportunity to speak to this "man." Poet thought of lips > around the > mouth > of "president" which resembled mass grave. Saw shifting selfish > eyes of > college gang-banger. Poet feels there is no possible conversation > with > person > who recently delivered supercilious state of the union > "address."] > > Truly, > > Eileen > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > No. I declared him dead -- a spiritual vacuity -- at the end of > my talk on > The Iliad and Postmodern War. I have no interest in expressing > my opinions > to him because he isn't there. > --------- > > GIL OTT > 427 Carpenter Lane > Philadelphia PA 19119 > > George W. Bush > 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue > Washington DC > > 7 February 2003 > > Mr. Bush: > > First, let me point out a few things: > > 1) You were not a popularly-elected President. You did not gain a > majority > of > votes in the 2000 election, and the only way you received a > majority of > Electoral College votes was through the political bias of a > discredited Supreme Court. > > 2) Your domestic programs - policies toward the environment, > women's rights, > affirmative action, worker's rights, and civil rights in general > - run > against the grain of the American experience of the past 60 > years. > > 3) Your disdain for the common wealth in favor of privilege is > bankrupting > the country. > > 4) Your unilateralism in international affairs, and your apparent > dismissal > of even the most moderate differences of opinion has brought the > world to > the > edge of worldwide conflagration. > > Pretty impressive. How do you do it? You, more than any terrorist > group, > have > benefited from the events of 9/11/01. You have shamelessly > utilized that > tragedy as a spectacle, playing it over and over again in order > to diminish > debate, confuse the public, and thereby cover your actions. > > Mr. Bush, I believe in the future. I refuse to engage in the > dialogue that > will shape that future by utilizing the rhetoric which you and > your handlers > have created. It would be better for all of us if you would > simply admit > your > failures and get out of the way. > > Good bye. > > Gil Ott > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Dear George II: > > Thomas Paine will haunt you when you're gone. I may feel sorry > for you > someday, but not today or tomorrow. > > Good luck, > Frank Sherlock > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Dear Mr. Bush, > > How come you think that we're just a bunch of dumb hippies in the > streets? > I'm not dumb at all. In fact, your machine paid for my Fulbright > scholarship. > That's when I learned what capitalism was. When I got back from > Berlin, I > walked out onto Times Square and the lights were so bright, I had > to hide in > the public library. After I stop the war, I want to sue Nike, > Pringles and > Cup 'O Soup for taking up space in my brain without paying rent. > > But back to stupid. This is what I think is stupid. 1)Occupying > an Arab > nation for 5-10 years and trying to build a democracy. You say > you want to > protect Americans, but occupying Iraq is a little or a lot like > colonization > and would make a great recruitment ad campaign for Osama. > Meanwhile, you > haven't managed to send any security funds to any cities. We're > all having > to > pay for our own duct tape. And anyhow, the colonizer always > loses. Remember, > we used to be a colony. 2)The fact that you got to be president. > I should > have really said this first, but I'm not in the mood to cut and > paste. But > seriously, this is the whole problem. 3)The fact that people > think I'm not > American because I think it's stupid that you're president. In > fact, this > bothers me so much that at protests I've started waving an > unaltered > American > flag when I yell "Drop Bush, Not Bombs." 4)Giving 30 Billion > dollars a year > to Israel 5)Writing mandatory public school reforms and then not > giving > states the money to implement them. There are more things that I > think are > stupid, but I don't want to overwhelm you. > > I think it's very smart that you don't teach people to read in > this country. > It makes it easier for them to like you. Fox news has those great > little > slogans, so the people don't have to read. They can just love you > and hate > everything else. > > Between the taxes and the war I've come to think you're evil > incarnate. > > Sincerely, > Magdalena Zurawski > --------- > > > ABOUT THE POETS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN's lated book ZERO STAR HOTEL is available from > HREF="http://www.aerialedge.com/zero.htm">http://www.aerialedge.com/ zero.htm > > > BUCK DOWNS lives and works in Washington, DC. His first book, > marijuana > softdrink., is available from Edge Books HREF="http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm"> > http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN lives in Philadelphia, where she has been > actively > involved in the community arts work of the Asian Arts Initiative > over the > past five years. Her poems have appeared in _Combo_, > _Interlope_, > _XConnect_, _Salt_, _Mirage#4/Period[ical]_, _Rattapallax_, and > _Xcp: > Cross-Cultural Poetics_. > See Mytili at HREF="http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/"> > http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/ > > KEVIN KILLIAN is a novelist, art writer, poet and playwright. He > has > written > several books including I CRY LIKE A BABY, SHY, ARCTIC SUMMER and > ARGENTO > SERIES. With Dodie Bellamy he is editing the work of their late > friend, Sam > D'Allesandro, for a collected stories volume. He lives in San > Francisco. > > EILEEN MYLES is a poet who lives in NY and a novelist who teaches > at UCSD. > Latest book of poems Skies, on my way, latest novel, Cool for > You. Visit HREF="http://www.eileenmyles.com">http://www.eileenmyles.com > > ALICE NOTLEY is the author of more than twenty books of poetry. > Her > book-length poem THE DESCENT OF ALETTE was published by Penguin > in 1996, > followed by MYSTERIES OF SMALL HOUSES (1998), which was one of > three > nominees > for the Pulitzer Prize and was the winner of the Los Angeles > Times Book > Award > for Poetry. Her latest book DISOBEDIENCE is the recipient of > the 2002 > Griffin Poetry Prize: HREF="http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html"> > http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html She > now lives > permanently in Paris. > > GIL OTT is Editor and Publisher of Singing Horse, a literary > press. Now in > its 27th year of continuous operation, Singing Horse has produced > over > twenty-five titles by emerging poets and writers. The journal > Paper Air, > which the Press published from 1976 through 1990, was the > recipient of an > Editors' Fellowship from the Council of Literary Magazines and > Presses in > 1985. He has published thirteen books of poetry and prose, > including The > Yellow Floor (Sun & Moon, 1985), within range (Burning Deck, > 1987), Public > Domain (Potes & Poets, 1989), and The Whole Note (Zasterle, > Canary Islands, > Spain, 1996), and Traffic, Chax Press (Tucson, 2001). He is > married to the > poet and educator Julia Blumenreich. They have a daughter, Willa. > They live > in the Mt Airy section of Philadelphia. > Some links to Gil Ott on the web: HREF="http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm"> > http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm > > http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/ott.html > HREF="http://www.chax.org/chaxlist.htm">http://www.chax.org/chaxlist .htm > > > FRANK SHERLOCK curates the La Tazza Reading Series w/ Magdalena > Zurawski in > Philadelphia. His poems have recently appeared in Puppy Flowers, > TOOL and > can we have our ball back? Past chapbooks include 13 (ixnay > 1999) and a > collaboration with CAConrad entitled, end/begin w/chants. Their > latest > joint > effort is an open-ended project materializing as The City Real & > Imagined: > Philadelphia Poems. A new seris of poems appears in the new > ixnay reader HREF="http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm"> > http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm > See some of his poems at HREF="http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm"> > http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm > and more at HREF="http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html"> > http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI is a waiter/writer living in Philadelphia. She > is working > on a novel called THE BRUISE. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:06:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: the great one In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from: low the great one at the edge of most things, in one of those areas reserved for = trailer=20 parks and fleet rentals, surrounded by prefabricated elements usually=20= sold in wholesale allotments, two rats sat surrounded by green slime=20 from a leaking tanker of mr. lime=92s frozen ice drink, which had melted=20= and turned into a sea of green. both rats had names they thought had=20 come from the dead green sea itself, like a great holy gazer expounding=20= on the miracles of creation arising out of a primordial ooze. in=20 reality the mr. lime truck crashed along with everything else that day.=20= the two rats=92 originator, the great one, had sprung from the ooze to=20= produce the original ones whose names would come from the lights in the=20= sky - =93mot=94- and the sound the earth=92s edge spoke of - =93wat=94. = =93mot,=94=20 was from a partially collapsed sign that lost merit of signification=20 when everything suffered a personal implosion on that day. a once solar=20= generated signal for travelers that used to say =93motel 16 - for your=20= pleasure, at a cheap price," that now flashed sporadically "mot." =93wat,=94 was from the worn steps on the side walk that the = great one=20 jumped on just as the triple ice tanker of mr. lime=92s crashed like=20 everything else crashed. the great one jumping from a floating diet=20 flavored hickory roasted drink can to the sidewalk that used to say=20 =93watch your step,=94 which now just said - =93wat.=94 the great one jumped just as the triple ice tanker filled = with=20 frozen mr. line flipped on its side sending an instant sugary ice age=20 throughout the world of the great one who was pregnant by some rat that=20= the great one had met over a dead pigeon, (not that long ago if I=20 recall correctly). the great one never spent much time with mot and wat, spending = the=20 majority of time gathering items and food for the expected pair, hoping=20= that the remnants collected from the dead sea and falling sky would=20 signal the beginning of a new world for the great offspring. the great=20= one had also swallowed a fair amount of concentrated mr. lime, which=20 eventually rotted its teeth, rotting the gums and everything else that=20= happens when a massive amount of concentrated frozen or not frozen mr.=20= lime is consumed. =09 on a typical day when wat and mot would converse about cloud = shapes=20 resembling betty grable, near buddhist monkeys or performers of one=20 sect or another, which was not a typical day, since most days where=20 spend building a one bedroom condo, and a cruise ship that would take=20 them to another near by island where they hoped to find refuge and some=20= kind of communication device to call home with. on those typical / not=20= so typical but typically fun nonchalant days, marked by the idleness=20 parade, wat would say or sometimes mot would say - so now mot or wot (depending on who was playing the instigator = which=20 was usually what the conversation was about; who should initiate) it=20 seems like we came from somewhere and we can only go so far. the we of=20= we has to become another we to carry on and go forth and find another=20 way. this was the way that mot and wot usually talked, in a sort of = double=20 here now and more later diatribe, which was sung in a upbeat=20 pop-gagorian chant style while both were standing on their hind legs=20 looking at the clouds that resembled something that is or was, when the=20= purple brownish blanket didn't hang about thirty feet above their heads. upon finishing their chants they would both lay on their backs = in=20 chaise lounges they had created out of floating parts and loose ends.=20 then, as one would smoke a cigarette, they would stick those long=20 hairless tails in their own multiple orifices. sticking them in and out=20= and in and out till one of them noticed one of the great ones, not the=20= great one, who had died shortly after mot and wot could write and play=20= the piano. no, this was another great one, that would start in their=20 bellies and come out of their beaked little mouths . . . oh I didn't=20 tell you they had beaks, well more on that later. coming from their little bellies a sun would rise above a liquid = sea=20 of ecstasy, led by a legion of warriors carrying ancient ships and=20 plastic floral arrangements marching past known experience to an=20 experiment at the fault edge of the known universe, past crisscrosses,=20= great scripts, pandaemonium blue ridges and two tone ensembles,=20 climbing with ropes, up ladders and surging to the top of their little=20= tongues until they broke lose with a chorus of =93aaaaaaaaa! OOOO! =20 aaaAAAAA! mmmmm.=94 =93=93aaaaaaaaa! OOOO! aaaAAAAA! mmmmm,=94 I was told, was the = name of one=20 of the great ones that dwells in the pit of the stomach. =93=93aaaaaaaaa! OOOO! aaaAAAAA! mmmmm,=94 would echo = throughout the=20 kingdom, bouncing off particle memories. =93=93aaaaaaaaa! OOOO! aaaAAAAA! mmmmm ,=94 would be heard = beyond the=20 jugger knot, beyond 13th and madison. =93aaaaaaaaaa! OOOO! aaaAAAAA! mmmmm,=94 would bounce around = for days,=20 since there was nowhere for it to go. that is how the sixty-six=20 sexless ones located mot and wat. their =93aaaaaaaaaa! OOOO! aaaAAAAA!=20= mmmmm,=94 was what was picked up on radar. =09 this is how the story was told to me. this is how I heard the = story,=20 that is after I was picked up along with mot and wat, after mot and wat=20= had debated with the sixty-six sexless ones about who was the truest of=20= all great ones.= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:15:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: h.d. book In-Reply-To: <1047329896.3e6cfc684f6ae@cubmail.cc.columbia.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK, thanks everyone, I got it; and thanks again to factory school and joel (presumably?) for being such a great resource. DH -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Paul Stephens Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 12:58 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: h.d. book http://www.factoryschool.org/content/pubs/rhood/duncan/HD_Book.pdf Quoting David Hadbawnik : > could anyone tell me where i can download duncan's h.d. book? > > thanks > > DH > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen > Conrad > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:47 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: POETS of 9for9: Anselm Berrigan, Buck Downs, Mytili > Jagannathan, Kevin Killian, Eileen Myles, Alice Notley, Gil Ott, > Frank > Sherlock, Magdalena Zurawski > > > go to > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > or view text below > --------- > > > > 9for9 > --------- > set 1 of 9 > > Anselm Berrigan > Buck Downs > Mytili Jagannathan > Kevin Killian > Eileen Myles > Alice Notley > Gil Ott > Frank Sherlock > Magdalena Zurawski > > copyright © 2003 > to all participating > poets upon publication > > questions by > CAConrad > > published by > Mooncalf Press > POBox 22521 > Philadelphia, PA 19110 > MooncalfPress@hotmail.com > > 9for9 is a collection of 9 questions for 9 poets and their > answers. This is > the first set of 9 sets. Some of the questions came from dreams, > others > from > waking ideas. The project was conducted through e-mail, > questions arriving > in Inboxes once a week, usually on friday. > > If you wish to communicate with any of the poets included, please > feel free > to send correspondence to the e-mail address CAConrad13@aol.com, > with the > subject line "9for9 correspondence". I promise to forward your > message to > the poet you wish to connect with. > > Thank you, > CAConrad > > --------- > > QUESTION 1: > Doctors have invented a new implant which can be placed in the > brains of > newborns to prevent all forms of suffering for a lifetime. Is > this a good > choice? Explain your answer. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > No. Is the implant some kind of life-lasting inner joint or > something? And > that seems to imply that joy and suffering can be implanted (I > mean if you > can eliminate suffering you can probably double the load too, > right?) -- > i.e.: if some non-sufferers have some bombs dropped on their > heads are they > not going to suffer? > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Steve Abbott had a questionnaire form for poets that I assume > got > distributed > around to his students & they used it, because it wasn't Steve > who sent it > to > Joe Brainard. Joe did try to answer it pretty honestly even > though the > questions were all not ones that applied much to the life that > Joe was > living. For example, there was a question about significant > audio & all Joe > could say was I have a tape by Morrissey because so-and-so gave > it to me & I > listen to it some because I have it, and a question about flying > saucers > that > shows Joe to have been more or less indifferent to the phenomenon > of > humanity's projection of its self-image onto foreign rocks & into > strange > cans. > > I never think of suffering in the way this question thinks of it. > I think > of > my sore knee, I think of my mom's bronchitis or Tom Raworth's, > etc. etc. The > race of newborns and the race of doctors are both demographic > fictions that > don't correlate to the life I live. I would not trust any > scientist or > medical professional who accepted the concept embodied in this > question as a > principle for research; I would expect them to be a serious > fuckup, and the > inventor of some high-priced piece of shit that would first > magnify human > suffering to catastrophic levels before addressing it, and then > failing to > address it in any significant way, and mostly leaving a big mess > for > crackers > like me to have to come clean up and/or pay for. > > I would be a lot more impressed if these doctors would come up > with a pop to > give my mom or Tom that would undo a lifetime of cigarette > smoking and life > and give them back undiminished lung capacity. Or any other > serious effort > to tackle an actual problem. > > Ugh. I think this question was supposed to be a big fat softball > that would > allow me to rhapsodize in a long eloquent 'statement' about the > beautiful > animal man [sic] and s/her ability to transcend bad breaks & > shit; sorry to > have blown it, but I don't give a fuck about 'newborns' or any > other > abstracted classes of humanity at all. Demographic abstraction > is an enemy > of human contact, and human contact is all poetry has left going > for it in > the media/market/culture that is its substrate. Everything else, > as Dave > Hickey once said, is advertising and term-papers. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I guess I disagree with the premises and assumptions of this > question. > First > of all, on a very basic level, allopathic medical science has a > lot to learn > about the operations of even "physical" pain, let alone emotional > pain and > suffering. I mean, just to take something widely diagnosed in > the U.S. like > depression; sure, there are drugs that have been invented that do > help some > people, presumably by acting on neurotransmitters, but even the > details of > this process are unclear to scientists. Also unanswered > (perhaps > unanswerable) is the question of causality—-are changes in brain > chemistry > the cause of depression, or does depression cause changes in > brain > chemistry? > And organic bodily processes are not simply > "mechanical"—they're > informational and "intelligent," so even something like genetic > engineering > is more complex than discrete and dramatic on-and-off switches. > And other > kinds of suffering: what is suffering? How could you catalog, > much less > prevent "all forms" of it? > > So that's one part of my objection. The other part is that a lot > of > suffering-as-we-know-it (which is where we begin, after all) is > intricately > bound up with social/political/economic relations and our > experience as part > of collective forms/structures that have powerful energies and > effects > (need > I point out the previously unimaginable scope of contemporary > global > capitalism?). Of course there are biological factors that > influence > physical > and psychic experiences, but such factors are always in play > with > environmental conditions, in the broadest sense of "environment." > So, I > think that "suffering" is not an individual condition that can be > "solved" > by > genetic/medical solutions. > > I think that socially, politically, prophetically, if you like, > of course > struggles for justice proceed with the "end of suffering" as a > horizon, but > it's just as important how we imagine and enact those > transformative > processes. I think the processes are inherently social, > material, > relational, and yes, embodied; but it's certainly not going to > come about > through any top-down techno/medical Big Bang. And creating a > dynamic, > relational justice doesn't necessarily mean the end of all pain > (we won't > overcome mortality, after all, we're dying all the time at the > cellular > level, and extending old-age might even create > as-yet-unexperienced forms of > pain, who knows?), but an end to those social structures that > "freeze" or > institutionalize suffering. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I hope they invent a similar implant that would induce tolerance > and respect > as well, otherwise what's to prevent the human race from turning > cruel if no > other human will suffer because of the first implant? Then our > animal > friends among other species will be living worse lives than ever. > Save the > animals now! > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > No this is a bad choice. They would have to be adjusting it > constantly which > would disturb the growing infants sense of balance. Actually I > think they > have already done this and it is vaccinations and they have so > much mercury > in them that kids are coming up autistic. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > What are 'all forms of suffering'? How can science define them? > I wouldn't > let a scientist define what constitutes suffering -- I know you > are after an > answer concerning the role of suffering in existence and whether > living > would > be better if suffering were eliminated, but I can't relate to the > idea of > the > scientist or doctor as the eliminator of suffering. Or is it > that you are > thinking only of disease and physical difference as forms of > suffering? I > tend to think of suffering as something caused by other humans -- > I tend to > think of the other animals as beings who don't suffer unless we > cause them > to > suffer or who perhaps suffer in their death throes but not much > before. If > you want to know if suffering is of value, that's a different > question. I > would prefer not to suffer and I would prefer that others not > suffer even > more than I do -- to know that they do is horrible and makes me > feel guilty. > But there is no 'doctor' and to even fantasize one is to miss the > point: > the > doctor helps create suffering by presuming to know more about its > forms than > others do. My suffering has been of value to me partly because > it has > rescued me from the doctors and their mechanistic view of > reality. But I > don't think I should have had to suffer in order to find out what > I know. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Answering this question can only be a matter of faith, replacing > a spiritual > entity with "science." I think the question is asked more > playfully than > that, but I don't think there's any other way to honestly answer > it. A poet > recognizes that it's one's suffering (or vulnerability) which > determines > one's character - I recently read a passage in Rilke's Brigge > reaffirming > this, though I can't locate the exact passage now - so the > question itself > is > moot. More likely: If the suffering person could escape his > suffering, would > he (which raises the nearly redundant: could he, and still be > himself?)? A > point of honor among contemporary disability activists is that > they would > not > accept the cure for their conditions, were one concocted. > Disregarding the > inexactitude of applied science, and the concomitant sufferings > it inflicts > on subjects in pursuit of cures, the question becomes one of > identity. > > Now ask me that question: Could science free me from the notion > of identity, > would I take the cure? But then, perhaps science, or some agency, > would > necessarily supply me with a reliable identity to start with. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Of course this is a terrible idea! It can only lead to fascism. > Those of us > already walking the earth sans suffer block will be forced to > suffer for > those who can't feel it. Camps. Torture. Entertainment. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Don't you think that a prevention from suffering would be a kind > of > suffering > in itself? People with the implant would wander through a culture > without > the > possibility of empathy. What an alienating feeling!! Imagine the > loneliness > when listening to cowboy songs about loneliness knowing that you > do not know > the loneliness they sing!! Having such an implant would probably > be very > similar to watching war live on CNN. This week I saw a movie and > the girl > said "I just want to feel loved" and the boy said "I just want to > feel." And > it seemed to sum things up in a nutshell. I wasn't even stoned > when I saw it > and I thought "I used to be the boy, but now I'm the girl." I > think the > implant would keep us all on the boy's side of things. It's a > terrible > place. > I'd rather be lonely than be lonely, if you know what I mean. > --------- > > > QUESTION 2: > There's a face of a poet on the kite you are flying over the > city. Who is > this poet? When you reel them back from the wind what will you > ask? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > Face of Steve Carey. Steve, how did you get here? > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > well if it's my kite I must've painted drawn or ironed-on the > poet's picture > since it's not likely that I'll be buying any e.g., Jack Spicer > regalia, or > anything else, at Toys-R-Us anytime soon. > > Was it Jack Spicer who said, > > "I think that I shall never cite > a poem as lovely as a kite?" > > of course it wasn't. It was I, or actually, me. > > I hope I would have the perspicacity not to reel in the kite at > all, but get > it up to a way cool height & then cut the string, allowing the > kite to crash > in a faraway place like Baltimore or even Glen Burnie, where a > youngun would > find it & say, "did Jack Spicer run for President, or what?". > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Interesting: the form of this question—-the delicacy, intimacy, > and magical > quality of this imagined act—-makes me think of the Chilean poet > and artist > Cecilia Vicuña. She grew up in Santiago, supported Allende's > participatory > socialist government, and lived in exile after Allende's murder > and the long > horror of Pinochet. "Thread" is a central figure—-both material > and > symbolic—-in her poetry and installations. All of her work seems > to be a > kind > of "activation": making visible and visceral the reality that we > are all > connected. It sounds so simple conceptually but it's so > incredibly > powerful. > She's done installations where she has woven threads connecting > two sides > of > a street, or the opposite banks of a river, both below and above > the water's > surface. I've seen a photograph of an action she did in Bogata, > Columbia, > to > protest the distribution of contaminated milk. It was called > "Vaso de > leche": she announced beforehand the time and location of her > action. At > the > appointed time, she pulled on a long piece of red yarn that was > wrapped > around the a glass of milk, spilling it into the street. Then > she wrote a > poem in the street: "The cow/is the continent/whose milk (blood)/ > is spilt./ > What are we doing/ with life?" Cecilia says: "I look at things > backwards, as > they are going to look when I am gone. I have a very intense > feeling that > what we do is already the remains of what we are doing. The dead > water, our > poems." > > So this is why your fascinating image of this face on a kite, > held by a > string, floating over the city, reminds me of her. I'm not sure > I can guess > what words she'd say, perhaps some new instance of her practice > of poetic > etymologies emerging from what she saw across Philly, breaking > words apart > "so that their internal metaphors were exposed" and new paths of > meaning > revealed. One of my favorite of these etymologies she's done: > "SOL-I-DAR-I-DAD (Give and give sun)." What spaces, what words > would she > thread together in Philadelphia? > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > The poet is Ronald Johnson, and when the kite comes back I'll ask > that face, > will you ever forgive me? > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Bob Kaufman. How did it feel? > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > No identifiable face -- it keeps changing. (No special poet.) > The question > I ask is awful. > --------- > > GIL OTT > The poet's face on my kite is Frank Samperi, reclusive when he > was alive, > but > now deceased at least a decade. I would ask him to elaborate on > the word > "procession," which he used to distinguish from "process." I > imagine this > man's mind as pure witness, tuned to the essential deity of > events, and so > endangered. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > It is the worn, defiant face of Osip Mandelstam. I read him > "Nightsong" and > ask if American poets will likewise study the science of saying > goodbye. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > The kite is a mirror that shows me I have no face. The kite asks, > what are > you, little girl? > --------- > > > QUESTION 3: > You open a book that won't close. Maybe you accept it? Maybe > you struggle > to close it? Each chapter is titled INSTRUCTIONS FOR POETS. > Instead of > words a variety of strange shapes fill the pages. The last page > is blank so > you can communicate to other poets an idea you feel is vital. > The only > requirement is that you use no words, but draw a picture instead. > Describe > what you would draw. Explain the drawing if you want, although > it might be > more interesting to let us figure it out. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I would draw a three-dimensional cube. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > In the alternate universe from which this question comes and in > which I can > draw with any efficacy at all, I would take yet another page from > the Bill > Hicks playbook that is my practical guide to spiritual matters & > draw a > picture of my parents fucking, in honor of the great creative > power of cock > & > cunt that makes the human race go cat go. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > A book that won't close—-another magical image, reminds me of my > earliest > obsession with fairy tales. But I don't know what I would draw. > If I can > pile magic upon magic here, perhaps this: a page of unidentified > animal > sounds, actually heard when the page is touched. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > A drawing of a green fairy, sprung from the absinthe label, > quickening > silver > wings above the old city night sky, some would see it is of Kylie > Minogue, > others will turn the page and end the book. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > It would be a bear trying to get his paw in a honey jar. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > The drawing is of a human torso between the shoulders, throat > area and just > below the navel. Above the navel are several holes, small rather > blurred > circles in which one can see the remnants of letters of the > alphabet without > being able to make them out precisely. An upper curve of a P or > B or R for > example, but what you see looks damaged as if the letter has been > roughly > pulled out. One is not sure if there are four or five holes > because one of > them is so faint. However, it is possible to see that the holes > are > bleeding. One has the impression that a word has been ripped out > of the > torso and what is left are the ghosts of letters, the ghost of a > word. > --------- > > GIL OTT > This question is too cute. I am a poet, a writer, a word artist, > and my > medium is words. Indeed, "strange shapes fill the pages" when I > read, but > their articulation is verbal. In my experience, an image is a > knot, > a complex made of words that is untied through a visual synapse. > If I am to > continue playing this game, I will offer the image of fire, not A > fire, but > the Biblical or spiritual fire, that burns everywhere and > consumes nothing. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Paging through this imaginary book, I imagine myself trapped in a > prism- or > bouncing around a cylinder, like a nerd stuffed in a dryer. > Maybe I'm > running the outside of a spinning wheel like a sequined circus > vet. My page > would be simple- the outline of a thick, red arrow pointing to > the top of > the > page. Away from the map reader. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > A small dot slightly left of center. It looks like a perfect dot, > but with a > magnifying glass you can notice that the edges are uneven. Most > importantly, > the dot is so small you can easily pass over the page and assume > it is > empty. > The title of the chapter is "The definition of poetry." > --------- > > > QUESTION 4: > S.A.M., the three things Elizabeth Bishop believed made a > satisfying poem: > Spontaneity, Accuracy, Mystery. How does this compare with what > you look > for > in a poem? Or do you have an acronym of your own? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I don't know, I haven't known how to answer this one. I'm afraid > that > looking > for satisfying elements would fuck with my head in a way that I'm > not into, > at least not right now. I'm lately very interested in a quality > or > disquality > of poems that makes readers uncomfortable, even scared. But the > poem still > has to be alive, and that does take skill, if not necessarily > technical > skill. Skill of word by word awareness of all that juice you and > I know > poems > may have. Maybe that is a technical skill, like attentiveness > being a > technical skill, or kindness(?) -- another set of questions > there. I know a > lot of very intelligent poets who know what it is their poems are > doing, and > have a lot of interesting things to say about poetry, other > peoples' poems. > But their poems are weaker than their ideas, essays, theories, > and I find > myself not wanting to engage. As for S.A.M., the idea of > spontaneity as > something to look for strikes me as passive-aggressive. I now > want to say > that I look for poems that are as fucked up as people, but that > doesn't > sound > right either. I like music. I got told that was simplistic once > by a guy > poet, but I'm a simple person. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > hmm how about SPAM (SILENT POWERS ALL MINE) > > well one person's Mystery is another's Empty Ritualism, and > Elizabeth Bishop > seems about as spontaneous as Halley's Comet, I mean really. But > then > perhaps > she sought those things because she knew from her own poetry how > they are > forever in short supply. > > Since I don't teach and I don't learn, I feel relatively freed > from the need > to be consistent or coherent in what I seek & all such as that; & > indeed, if > all or most of what I got from a poem conformed to what I was > "looking for", > wouldn't that be like changing socks twelve times a day for > variety, & > shouldn't I just quit. > > But I was thinking about the death of Jeff Buckley again this > weekend after > "Mojo Pin" came up on the old shuffler. The mysterious flavor of > Jeff's > predicament arouses me whenever I think about it, to be > misunderstood so > thoroughly, so terminally; as though the soul of 29-year-old > Freddie Mercury > woke up one morning to find itself trapped in the 45-year-old > body of Bob > Dylan. What a curse! to go to bed supple and sexy and powerful, > and wake up > profound and appreciated and old. > > It's hard to imagine what E.B. wanted to get over in formulating > her S.A.M.; > I would tend to dismiss it as cheap pedagogy. But mnemonics are > for the > givers of tests and grades, and so are not of any real concern to > poets and > poetry. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I'm friends with spontaneity and mystery, though I'm not sure > about > accuracy. > This is the kind of question that's quite dependent on mood. > And I love > the > activity—-reminds me of Lee Ann Brown's _Polyverse_. Here are two > (I had to > stop, I could go on forever): > > SCRIPT SCRIPT > > Surprise > Caressing > Reverberate > Inciting > Plurals > Tender > Scrappy > Capacious > Runaway > Intersecting > Potent > Traffic > > or, together: > > Scrappy Surprise > Capacious Caressing > Reverberate Runaway > Inciting Intersecting > Potent Plurals > Tender Traffic > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I'm not particular about accuracy, and spontaneity is an illusion > isn't it, > the great artifice of Bishop's own poetry, which so many seem to > like so > much, and that precisely introduces the element of mystery, so it > seems like > a fine definition viewed at in one light. She's so articulate, > she makes me > feel like the fuzz that rises off of an old dead dandelion. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > I like legibility, pace and artifice. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > I look for Truthfulness, Relevance, and Great Skill. They do not > make a > good > acronym. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Sounds good to me. I wouldn't second-guess another poet's > criteria for > satisfaction. But what I look for in my reading anymore isn't > satsifaction; > I > want the writing to spur me to write. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > D- directness > E- engaging the world of objects & of souls > R- redirection > A- action, verb attention > I- illumination > L- liberation > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I think that I probably would agree with Bishop, though I do not > know what > she means exactly by "spontaneity," "accuracy" and "mystery." I > only imagine > that I know what she means. I haven't read an essay or anything. > When I'm at > a reading my "liking" or not "liking" is usually answered by my > snide "he > ain't got no music" or "she ain't got no music." But music is > more than > sound > or more accurately meaning is not separate from sound. > --------- > > > QUESTION 5: > All day long whenever you open your mouth a song comes out. > Maybe you get > used to it. Maybe you want to adjust the bass or treble. But > what is this > song? If there are lyrics, is there a particular line you want > the world to > hear come out of you? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > It would be something like Joe Strummer's incomprehensible > singing; you'd > have to be willing to feel it in order for it to be anything for > you. This > is > similar to my feeling about drawing the three-dimensional cube: I > drew that > because it's the only thing I can draw. I can't sing, so I relate > to > Strummer's singing, and I love it anyway, and his lyrics, even > though I > discover that I've imagined them wrong from time to time. Then I > just have > two possibilities for the line instead of one, which is how i > like to > approach lines anyway, at least. I've almost always had crappy > radios so I > can't say much about bass or treble. The basis for my music has > always been > incompetence of a sort, and music. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > The hoot about this, as well as one of the bona-fides that prove > my > freakhood, is that this question pretty accurately describes my > daily life > for the past twenty years or more. All day long whenever I open > my mouth, a > song does come out. This happens most intensely when I am > walking; in > converse of the old joke, it seems I must "walk and chew gum" at > the same > time, or I won't get down the street. This despite the fact that > my voice to > me sounds like a fifty-fifty blend of Martha Raye in her Polident > years and > Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon. > > This morning I had one of the wickedest ear-worms known to man: > the guitar > solo leading into the second chorus of "I Love A Rainy Night" by > Eddie > Rabbit, as thoroughly muddled and irreparable a song as could be > heard on AM > radio in the last thirty years. Later, sweet relief, it was > fragments of > "Testify" by Ronnie Wood, but as if it were sung to the tune of > "Mustt > Mustt" > by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan & Party. Or sounded like that to me, who > knows what > it sounded like to anyone outside of my head. "Imagination," as > Chet Baker > once sang, "is funny." > > I used to be ashamed of this habit when I was a kid, because most > everybody > who ever heard me do it either made fun of me or they put the > glad hand on > me > about how I should join the chorus, the choir, the whatever; > stupid pimps, > always trying to sell you a stupid job. But, you know, shame is > for chumps; > and every day is another opportunity to get the fuck over it > already. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Oh god, this actually happens to me all the time. I have songs > in my head > that I sing and that can fill me up for hours. I can't really > describe the > lyrics I sing in these moments—-maybe a few English or Tamil > words in the > mix, but strangely for the most part, they're not really words in > any > language that I can identify. (I sometimes joke that it’s "fake > Hindi"). > It's more a matter of melodies that stick in my head and > syllables that ride > across them. A kind of folksong—something you can sing in a > group—clap your > hands to—-or weep strongly to—-a simple stanzaic structure, but > punchy > words/rhythm, lines ending in vowels. Within the group singing, > moments of > call-and-response, join and depart. Sometimes the same songs > recur, weeks > apart, innocently. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > Oh, I'm too shy to sing in public . . . Maybe in the shower. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > he whistled and he sang > and the green woods > rang > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > There is no song that comes out of me. My head is full of the > shitty lyrics > of others, countless songs, I wish I didn't know so many. I have > a fear of > dying with my mind playing some hideous Beatles song or an > ancient show > tune. > I don't think song lyrics should be memorable. > --------- > > GIL OTT > (...) > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > "Minstrel Boy" is an Irish traditional song that can carry me > through just > about anything. It's an amazing idea, to walk the streets of > Philadelphia > with the bagpipes moaning out my mouth. I'm partial to a recent > version of > the song by Joe Strummer & the Mescaleros. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > These are the words I can remember from the last few days. Name > the songs > and > win a prize: "Puerto Rican Jane, o won't you tell me what's your > name," "And > Mary Lou, she learned how to cope, she rides the heaven on a > gyroscope, the > daily news asks her for the dope, she says, man, the dope's that > there's > still hope", "I said I'm hurt. Honey, she said, let me heal it." > "Man that > ain't oil that's blood," "I guess I really dug her I was too > loose to > think", > "Hey bus driver keep the change, bless your children, give them > names", "Let > the broken-hearted love again!!," "Did you hear that the cops > finally busted > madam Marie for telling fortunes better than they do, for me this > boardwalk > life's through, you ought quit this scene too." And each line > comes one at a > time upon waking and grinds like a washing machine as if the > words were the > window for the day. Maybe that's why there's been so much "that > ain't oil, > that's blood". > --------- > > > QUESTION 6: > IS THIS AN EXCITING TIME FOR POETRY!? PLEASE EXPLAIN! THANK > YOU! (or > explain why it is not) > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > This is an exciting time for poetry, to me. But I always think it > is an > exciting time for poetry, no matter the realities present. I > started writing > poems and being involved with poetry in part because of that > excitement and > the fact that it felt and feels timeless and immediate at once. I > do not > care > about the apparatus of publishing, or the local politics, or the > attendant > map-making and map-burning that go on within poetry communities > and circles > in the face of this question. Time is exciting, devastating and > cruel, yes, > and there is kindness in there, and joy -- any particular time > contains > these > things. Poetry allows me to see it. Not to see it better, more > clearly, > etc., > but to see it at all, I think sometimes. Time, the times, > anyone's times. > Poetry is never not there, despite rampant claims otherwise, or, > more to the > point, despite no claims for or against, in many places. Poetry > is older > than > money, and fresher than money. And lately I am excited by and for > poetry > because I do not want to see it be anything defined by "our > times" or "the > times", which cannot be owned, like poetry. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > well you get the times you get > & you can get excited about it > > why do I continue to remember Ms. Dabney who in 8th Grade covered > an entire > blackboard with the words 'ONLY THE BORING ARE BORED' Ah well it > keeps me > entertained. > > As poetry's social obsolescence has become nearly complete some > 100+ years > after the advent of recorded sound, I feel pretty good, freed as > I am from > the tale of the tribe, unacknowledged legislation, arms and the > man, and all > the rest of the pre-20th Century crap that has been foisted upon > poets by > the > collected cops priests and teachers of the race, who have always > resented > the > fact that poets get to talk right to god all the time, no vows, > no training, > no tenure required. > > The load of social relevance, poorly-borne for centuries by poets > and > poetry, > has been taken up by the media, thanks, and the newspapers and > their > generations of broadcast descendents have wonderfully siphoned > all social > obligation out of the making of poems. The politicization of > literacy has, > despite itself, been quite a helpmate too, since poets no longer > have any > reason to teach anyone how to read in the wake of government > monopolization > of the education industry. > > So all told it seems like a great deal if you have no aspirations > to boss > others around. Poets no longer have to do any of the cultural > shit-work > that > they have been forced to do for centuries in order to make their > way in > society, and or but they still get to make poems, talk to god, > get real > high, > & about two or three other things that make being alive so very > cool to > begin > with. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > Yes, definitely! There's such a proliferation of kinds of > poetries that > people can encounter now. So many language traditions and > evolving > practices, sonic propensities, cultural contexts, nows/thens, > oral/aural, > pictorial, pixeled, parchment, palm leaf. . . And movements in > many > countries > have been challenging the class/color/communal/gender lines > within their > cultural spheres. I think for people who are aware of this > intense spectrum > of activity, it might also make them anxious in some way, either > because of > loss of previously held power, or simply because people need > sustainable > communities, and the continuity that underlies real > conversations. Of > course, global and local power imbalances on the language/culture > front will > affect the way any interactions occur, but I'm interested in > seeing where > these crossings take us. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I'm excited. There were a few years in the doldrums in the late > 80s and > early 90s, when it seemed that everything was just being done to > death, and > the people who were experimenting in prose were miles and miles > ahead of the > poets (excuse me for casting this in the form of a competitive > trope like > CHARIOTS OF FIRE). And then something turned around and I began > to notice > immediate, local, grass roots signs of a rebirth of poetry, here > in San > Francisco at any rate. There was a lot of excitement, stemming > as usual > from > the young poets who were going to school at New College, at UC > Berkeley, and > at San Francisco State, as well, of course, as a larger group > without any > academic affiliation, these homogenous lumps of people suddenly > met up, > collided, brokered up, reformatted, and, I think changed the > nature of > poetry > here in the Bay Area. With this new generation came a subsequent > return to > status of an older, unfairly occluded and in some cases > half-asleep > generation whom the new kids took as their models and teachers, > Whalen, > Kyger, Clark, Berkson, not only the Bolinas bunch but a dozen > others as > well. > Someone should write a book, or better yet create a documentary > that would > trace the sociological roots of this renaissance. With Helen > Mirren as Lyn > Hejinian, Ashton Kutcher as Anselm Berrigan,Casey Affleck as Adam > DeGraff, > Michelle Rodriguez as Renee Gladman, Johnny Depp as Travis Ortiz, > and Ian > McKellen as Philip Lamantia. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Well, we're in a very conservative repressive time and poetry can > always get > up on its hind legs and speak and the temptation to say the wrong > thing is > there, and so you can do that or not, I mean there's a lot of > choices and I > say we're living in a state of active complexity, so yeah I think > I have to > agree, it is an exciting time for poetry. Dive in. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > I don't care if it's an exciting time for poetry or not. Though > I wonder > what it's like for the poets in Ethiopia right now. > --------- > > GIL OTT > The only "exciting" times for poetry are those when the art > permits the > illusion of progress: either when the scales fall from my own > eyes and I wr > ite, well, without obstruction, or those glorious moments when I > perform and > click with the crowd. These are both personal excitements, and I > think > you're > asking about the collective. There the illusion of power is > magnified, but > its beauty is diluted. The community of poets grows diverse and > accepting of > its diversity. This, I do believe, is happening in Philadelphia. > But while a > crowd is necessary for an audience, it grows oxymoronic when > applied to > poetry, which is intrinsically individual. Back to my statement > about > diversity. Tolerance, cultivation, eagerness for diversity, these > are the > only collective strengths of poetry. The community in > Philadelphia was long > balkanized, but is putting that behind itself, and that is > exciting. > > FRANK SHERLOCK > This is very exciting time for poetry! More poets than ever > before-more > styles. More style integration. Less Cold War leftover > new-boss-same-as-the-old-boss bunk. To the chagrin of select > elders looking > for direct overthrow attempts (for relevance confirmation), > today's poets > take influence & move in their own direction- albeit outside the > established > framework. > > This is an exciting time & an important time, particularly in the > United > States. A "war without end" has begun. The American poet is much > more likely > to suffer a civil liberty attack from John Ashcroft than s/he is > to be > attacked from Al Qeda. The coming years promise to be even more > exciting in > a > dark & vital time. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Any time is an exciting time if you're in a room alone or with > people and > excited. > --------- > > > QUESTION 7: > Are you living in the same geographic region of your childhood? > If so, how > does this affect your poetry? If not, is that location still > relevant to > your poetry? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > I am currently living about five blocks from where I grew up in > Manhattan's > East Village. The fact of living here does not affect my poetry, > although I > have noticed in considering this question that I haven't written > as much > here > as I did in Brooklyn, San Francisco or Buffalo (11-12 years that > period, > covering 1989-2000) -- but that is incidental so far, I think. > The location > is still relevant to my poetry as a source of personal shaping, > tho' the > neighborhood was different when I was growing up (more families, > more > dangerous, more politicized, less expensive; somewhat kinder). I > did not > like > this area when I was 16, and I don't think that has much to do > with anything > but me at that age, and our small apartment. My tendencies to > like people > (individuals, as opposed to the species; like Swift, in a sense) > and to look > at them are highly shaped by living in this area along with being > brought up > by parents who were very open people, in a community-oriented > sense. God > damn > people coming through the apt. every day. This is built into my > poetry. > Also, > we had a railroad apt. of four rooms for a family of four, which > meant not a > lot of space. Consequently I read a lot, though I might have done > so anyway, > and I learned to be comfortable in my head (for privacy), and to > search > around its edges (tho' I never would have put it that way until > now), which > is also built into the poems, I think, or has been a constant > source of > poetic incitement (is that a word?). I tend to feel incited into > writing, as > opposed to inspired or agitated. This neighborhood does all of > those things > to a person who spends substantial time here, however. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > I grew up in a part of the southern U.S. (Florida below Lake > Okeechobee) > that > has enjoyed a rather retarded integration with the antebellum > Union, Dixie, > and the reconstructed postwar States in turn, and in fact has not > been > overly > friendly to human development as far back as the Micosukee. Of > course, some > ten years plus after the build-through of I-75 and the expansion > of > Alligator > Alley through the Everglades, the predecessor landscape has > knuckled under > to > subsidized agriculture and luxury residential construction. So > where I grew > up no longer exists in every relevant sense except for a > resuidual taxonomy > of older roadways &c. > > My people are not from there at all, but from Mississippi, > specifically > Jones > County, whose slight claim to historicity [sic] is a secession > against the > secession [a.k.a. THE FREE STATE OF JONES], led not by > anti-slavery > ideologues or pro-Union crypto-nationalists, but by straight > fucking > crackers > who saw both Feds and Confeds as rolling up to screw them over. > > So whichever of these places I am from it is all about place out > of place, > intuitive and rational senses of stepping out of the national or > community > sync to do the necessary work of covering your own business. And > the > discovery that every described place is nowhere, that it always > already no > longer exists, or only exists in a fatuous dream, or only exists > as a social > limit of the allowed, or only exists in "advertising and term > papers", to > quote Dave Hickey (again). > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I've lived in Philly for the past 7 or 8 years, so no. I grew up > in West > Virginia. It's such an interesting question for me—I haven't > really thought > about the physical geography consciously in relation to my > poetry, although > I'm sure some level of influence still operates. But I can say > that one of > the most important moments for me as a poet was finding and > reading Muriel > Rukeyser's stunning documentary poem, "The Book of the Dead" > written in 1938 > after she traveled to West Virginia to investigate the story > behind the esc > alating numbers of deaths from silicosis of mine workers in > Hawk's Nest and > Gauley Bridge. It's a breathtaking poem that both exposes the > complicity of > Union Carbide and its local subsidiary in the miners' deaths and > registers > the landscape and people with passionate integrity. The crazy > thing is that > I never heard of this poem while I was growing up in West > Virginia—I read it > for the first time in my senior year of college in Boston. Why > wasn't it > taught in every high school in the state?? But as fate would > have it, I > spent the year after college back in West Virginia doing domestic > violence > work in Sutton, just an hour from Hawk's Nest, where there's now > a beautiful > state park. On a trip to the park, I found a sign that mentioned > the site > of > the old mine, but no mention of what happened there. (And this > was national > news in its time, Congressional investigations were held, etc.). > I think > that experience, the embodied re-experiencing of a landscape > first > encountered through a poem—-and the simultaneously visceral > consciousness of > an erased history—-changed my relationship to West Virginia, gave > me a > deeper > sense of locatedness, and gave me a shifted context for my own > memories of > growing up there. > > My strange experience of racial identity/consciousness is also > strongly > shaped by the West Virginia context. The state is something like > 97% white. > I have repeated vivid childhood experiences of explaining that I > was > "Indian," and being greeted with racist miming gestures/ "war > cries" that > enacted TV stereotypes of Native Americans. "Not that kind of > Indian," I > would say. But almost no one, not even adults, in my early > childhood world > even knew that India was a country. (That began to change after > the movie > _Gandhi_, which came out when I was in 3rd grade). Now I see > that those > moments of "mistaken identity" forced open a different trajectory > of > connection and solidarity for me. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > No, when I was a boy I lived on Long Island's North Shore, and > today I live > South of Market in San Francisco. This transposition, from > Northerner to > Southerner, gave me more freedom to write. There it was always a > question > of > duelling influences, Whitman whose mall I used to cruise on > Saturdays, > O'Hara > who was run over on Fire Island a few miles from the house of the > Amityville > Horror. Walking home from school I met an old man who implied > that in his > own youth he had been the boyfriend of our town's famous > novelist, Owen > Wister who wrote "The Virginian." You long-legged son-of-a- If > you wanna > call me that, then smile. With a gun in my belly, I always > smile. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > No, the region of my childhood is totally irrelevant. I'm looking > at a > different landscape at this moment and the more you sit with > another set of > conditions, the more you find yourself in a different poem. I > want to be in > a > different poem. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > At the moment, mentally, when I write I am living in the exact > same > geographic location I grew up in. I am writing about Alma, who > is god along > with various other women who are god, and the dead women, all the > women who > have lived and died and anyone alive who qualifies as a dead > woman. I am a > dead woman for example. There are also a few men among the dead > women . > After an exasperating time in the first book of it, trying to > vindicate the > rights of all the women who have ever lived, and then being > confronted with > the sheer maleness of the War on Terror, the bombing of > Afghanistan and > coming war against Iraq, the dead women have decided to relocate > in a gully > in my home town. That is a long preliminary answer. I grew up > in the > Mohave > Desert, in Needles California, and I still live there in my head > at the same > time as I live in international cities. It is a town that has > been vilified > by many writers in single sentences; and Leslie Marmon Silko has > burnt it > down in a novel; but I think it is the most beautiful place in > the world. I > live in the gully of dead women, behind the wrecked Rec Center, > with a lot > of > burrowing owls and such. > --------- > > GIL OTT > Yes, I came up in suburban Philadelphia, and so was implanted > early with a > fake rural ideal, which succumbed in adolescence to a yearning > for true > intellectual community. I never found this community in the > university, and > my early poetry is informed by those twin desires: idealized > rural and > alienated urban. What community I subsequently discovered, and > has in time > come to fill those gaps, is more international. Naturally, place > is > formative > of any writing, even in suppression. In my adult years, the city > proper, its > decadence and its diversity, have provided the material of my > writing. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > I have remained in the area where I grew up. The urban image & > thematic > patterns of the city run through my poems, not so much as a > matter of > intention- but of my personal factual base. It's what I have to > work with. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I'm too close to home, like a failed American dream. I keep > looking to some > horizon but the rising rents are starting to block the sun. It > keeps the > song > sad and reaching. > --------- > > > QUESTION 8: > How does the oral tradition fit into your poems? And/or how > not? > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > The oral tradition, as I understand it, is built in to my writing > and > reading > of poems. Basically, and most broadly, everything I write that > gets shaped > into poetry must work aloud. That means several, at least, > different things; > not all of which I can articulate at the moment. But I edit in > part by > reading the work out loud, and it has to finally work on the page > and as a > spoken piece of poetry for me to feel like something is done, and > done well > enough to take outside the parameters of my own attention. I love > reading > poems out loud, whether someone is there or not. The art of > poetry as an > oral > practice is one that I feel deeply connected to -- understanding > that I was > raised around poetry as a spoken as well as a written art. The > theatrical > performance of poems or poetic monologues, spoken word and slam > poetry/poetics, rap (music and freestyle), the many types of > blues music > I've > been exposed to, certain modes of standup comedy, informal > storytelling (and > I'm sure I'm leaving some things out) -- all of these have > influenced my > listening, writing, and reading habits and practices in heavy > ways. But you > know, anyone who pays attention to how sounds come out of their > mouth is > interesting to me. So I take it as inherent to my work that > there's an oral > quality I need to attend to no matter what kind of practice I'm > engaged in, > i.e. even the most wacked out experiment or straightforward > narrative has to > work sonically, with a wide range in mind, deliberately, as to > what I mean > by > "work". I consider every reading to an audience a performance, > even if I'm > just gonna stand there and read, which is generally what I do. > But what the > voice does in conjunction with the work makes for a performance, > for me, so > I > try to work it as hard as I can to make for as good a performance > as I can. > And I know for a fact that all I need is my poems and my voice to > give > something to the audience, which has nothing necessarily to do > with what > they > are looking for (other than a reading itself), that they can take > with them. > I like to perform, I like to read poems that I have read before > (they always > sound different), and I like to interact with an audience. These > facts of my > practice are, in my way of thinking, connected to the, or an, > oral > tradition. > The history of the oral tradition is something that I feel I will > be > learning > my entire life, as well, and that needs to be said. Much of what > I know has > to do with the English language and certain components of African > traditions > (for instance, it was very important for me to have someone > explain at a > certain point that alliteration was more of an early basis for > poetry in > English than rhyme - which was imported - largely as a device to > make > stories, poems, etc. easier to remember and pass on in a > pre-writing age), > and that is limiting (gotta work on it). > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Well I can start with the luxury of having thrown away my four > previous > answers to this question to say isn't it great we are no longer > hemmed in by > the limits on human achievement that reside in the "oral > tradition" -- > > If you mean homer cavalcanti & all the pre-typewriter stuff > resusciatated > and > greenhoused for the sake of Western Civilization and its curators > well sure > anyone who hasn't done their homework is just a slob. But at the > same time > the lost world is the lost world & I for one am in no hurry to > get it back. > Orality is either an obsolete distribution channel or a skeleton > key with > which one may elude the ruthless commodification and > trivialization of > spiritual values that results from a print-publishing teleology, > or both. > Whichever. To paraphrase Ted Berrigan, if I really believe in it, > I can't > really talk about it. > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > I think the oral tradition/impulse is at the base of everything I > do. All > of > those earliest experiences of aural meaning that are so deeply > inscribed: > lullabies, babytalk, Sanskrit chants, Tamil songs (both > traditional > devotionals and popular Tamil cinema songs), bilingual puns, the > way > something in your body changes when you switch languages, nursery > rhymes, > jump-rope rhymes . . . In terms of poetic composition, I > definitely write > both for the ear and the eye (love that linebreak!), but the > spoken/heard > dimension tends to come first in the sequence of my writing > process. Sound > captivates me and pushes me on. > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > I think it's the other way round and the tradition is too big to > fit into > the > poems, and yet the poems seem to fit into the tradition very > comfortably. > Huge goblet with room for all kinds of brandied waters, blood. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Oh I think my poem is a magnetic tape of the oral tradition. > Since I only > imagine in the technology of my time I think of the poem as a > gleaming > stripe > of highly sensitive material that is somehow marked by every > quiver of the > fluting human voice just the breathing and the grunts and > fullblown words > and > phrases and the absence of sound of any sort, no wind hits the > mirror, but > all of it I think is oral I think because these electronic > impressions are > stuck on the tape by the idea of the voice as it narrates I'm > sorry now the > technological aspect might be wrong-headed possibly digital but > the gleaming > stripe seems more genital than say digital. I wonder why we are > so damn > fixed > on the oral as the appropriate organ of poetry when it could be > obviously as > cerebral cardiovascular and genital. it all seems related and if > you want to > give it to the oral, go ahead. The oral tradition. I mean why not > give it to > the ass. The mouth or the lips or the throat are just the > metonymically > assigned organs when in fact the practice comes from all of it > and seemingly > in live poetry practice only huffs out orally last, like > shitting. > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > Which oral tradition do you mean? My poems contain great sounds > and tones > and rhythmic figures; they sound terrific when I read them. They > are meant > to be read on the page aloud mentally. I am utterly influenced, > in my > writing, by the fact that I give poetry readings. I don't feel > as if I > belong to any tradition in this respect except for the general > tradition of > the performer for smallish audiences. I am thinking a lot, at > the moment, > about a flamenco singer named Tia Anica, who didn't begin to > perform until > she was in her fifties. I think I have to begin again. > --------- > > GIL OTT > I guess I have to turn the question around and ask: What is the > "oral > tradition?" I usually think of it in Western terms as the > mnemonic devices > in > rhyme and meter, which enabled the Greeks to remember and > pass on such epics like the Odyssey. This tradition flowered in > the lyric of > the troubadours. But I actually think the "oral tradition" in > contemporary > American poetry is more influenced by African and Caribbean > poetries/musics. > > However conceived, the oral -- spoken or sung -- is essential to > any poetry; > concrete poetry is really more of a visual art. Naturally, within > that > concept are many, many divisions, thus the great diversity and > richness of > poetry today. The big divider today seems to be "Is it for the > page, or for > the voice?" I could say I've written both, though the very notion > of > page-bound poetry is a fallacy. It will always be voiced, even if > silently. > (This is an admission that I still move my lips when I read!) I > could also > say that even when I write narrative or other prose forms, I am > always aware > of the music of the words, and the rhetorical, and spiritual, > power of that > music. > > So in the end, I'd say my answer to the question is: to degrees. > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > I'm paraphrasing an Alan Gilbert version of the poetics of > orality (from an > upcoming essay in FENCE), & it goes something like, "Poetry can > never be > separated from either its utterance or reception." Certainly not > a > brand-new > idea, but it's the latest manifestation that caught my ear. > Poetry for me is > processed in a kind of Homeric, Burnsian, B.I.G. manner. The oral > tradition > is bona fide alive & I choose not to separate myself from it. But > that's > just > me. Many poet friends I know choose to hone their work in > relative solitude. > To them I say godspeed & give me a holler once you're away from > the desk. > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > I use my mouth a lot. > --------- > > > QUESTION 9: > Write a letter to president George W. Bush. > > THE ANSWERS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN > After sitting and writing a letter to George W. Bush, and even > sending it > off > to CA to include in this piece, I felt foul and cheap. I only > want to speak > to the people who will be reading this, not to him -- a man of > whom it has > been said on CNN, "Even if there was zero percent support for > invading Iraq > the President would go forward anyway because he believes it is > the right > thing to do." I utterly reject this man's principles and morals, > and his > version of life; and I reject the terms of this reality that has > been > imposed > upon us by ages of war and greed. It represents a total failure > of > imagination, and our consciousness, collectively, needs to be > rebuilt -- a > practical need of the species, as a matter of fact. That is the > work I am > interested in, beyond the immediate necessity of opposing war in > all of its > forms. Bush is just the most current visible by-product of this > failure, and > can go fuck himself. > --------- > > BUCK DOWNS > Dear Mr. President: I am a poet, arguably the greatest since > Shakespeare, > and > I am writing you today to ask if Camp David would be available > for my use at > any time in the next twelve months or so. > > My regular job has kept me pretty much on the hustle non-stop for > the last > five years, and it has been hard to devote the necessary time and > energy to > my poetry while holding up my end at work. I'd like to be able to > take a > break for a month or so & relax & catch up on my writing. Camp > David is near > my home here in D.C., & so it would be an ideal place for me to > retreat for > say 3-5 weeks. There I would be able to concentrate on reviewing > and > completing an initial draft of my next book of poems, to be > called JONES > COUNTY. > > I know that when you are at the presidential retreat, it is a > time to > recharge, reflect, and return to Washington better able to > fulfill your > duties as President. It is that kind of experience I would like > to enjoy at > Camp David, and perhaps in some way even capture and preserve in > my poetry. > I > also know that Camp David is primarily set up to provide you and > your family > the privacy they need, and I would not want to interfere with > that purpose. > So I would be interested in making use of Camp David at any time > or times of > the year when you are not actually using it. > > I can drive, cook, and shop for myself, so the impact of my visit > on your > staff could be reduced to nearly nil. I am gainfully employed, > but not > within > the precincts of academia; this means that other traditional > writers > residencies, such as Bread Loaf or McDowell, are not available to > me. I > believe that an opportunity to visit and create at Camp David > would result > in > new poetic work for America and would reflect well on your > administration's > affection for literature and the arts. > > If you want to find out more about me, you can simply type "Buck > Downs" into > Google & browse through the results. To discuss the availability > of Camp > David, I can be reached at the address below. > > Thank you for your time, Mr. President. I look forward to hearing > from you. > > Buck Downs > Box 53318 > Washington, DC 20009 > --------- > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN > DEAR KING GEORGE W(AR) > > Cant write cant > sew cant stop > cant grow cant > cry cant constitute > cant count cant > route cant right > a letter by > sacrifice > the alphabet > --------- > > KEVIN KILLIAN > President Bush, how I wish that Bill Clinton were still in > office. I always > liked him and you just seem dumb. You make everyone look bad > with your > relentless paranoia and your greed. Dismantle the war apparatus, > oh, but > you > can't. Soon we'll have nowhere to go and the lessons of the 20th > century > will all be unlearned. You remind me of the mad Nazarene with > the demonic > spirit in the pig from the New Testament. That must be the one > parable you > didn't pick up at Amherst or wherever it was. To you I feel that > I must > speak in very short sentences. Lots of periods. Bye. > --------- > > EILEEN MYLES > Dear George, > > [Text unavailable. Poet felt unable to assemble language when > confronted > with > the opportunity to speak to this "man." Poet thought of lips > around the > mouth > of "president" which resembled mass grave. Saw shifting selfish > eyes of > college gang-banger. Poet feels there is no possible conversation > with > person > who recently delivered supercilious state of the union > "address."] > > Truly, > > Eileen > --------- > > ALICE NOTLEY > No. I declared him dead -- a spiritual vacuity -- at the end of > my talk on > The Iliad and Postmodern War. I have no interest in expressing > my opinions > to him because he isn't there. > --------- > > GIL OTT > 427 Carpenter Lane > Philadelphia PA 19119 > > George W. Bush > 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue > Washington DC > > 7 February 2003 > > Mr. Bush: > > First, let me point out a few things: > > 1) You were not a popularly-elected President. You did not gain a > majority > of > votes in the 2000 election, and the only way you received a > majority of > Electoral College votes was through the political bias of a > discredited Supreme Court. > > 2) Your domestic programs - policies toward the environment, > women's rights, > affirmative action, worker's rights, and civil rights in general > - run > against the grain of the American experience of the past 60 > years. > > 3) Your disdain for the common wealth in favor of privilege is > bankrupting > the country. > > 4) Your unilateralism in international affairs, and your apparent > dismissal > of even the most moderate differences of opinion has brought the > world to > the > edge of worldwide conflagration. > > Pretty impressive. How do you do it? You, more than any terrorist > group, > have > benefited from the events of 9/11/01. You have shamelessly > utilized that > tragedy as a spectacle, playing it over and over again in order > to diminish > debate, confuse the public, and thereby cover your actions. > > Mr. Bush, I believe in the future. I refuse to engage in the > dialogue that > will shape that future by utilizing the rhetoric which you and > your handlers > have created. It would be better for all of us if you would > simply admit > your > failures and get out of the way. > > Good bye. > > Gil Ott > --------- > > FRANK SHERLOCK > Dear George II: > > Thomas Paine will haunt you when you're gone. I may feel sorry > for you > someday, but not today or tomorrow. > > Good luck, > Frank Sherlock > --------- > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI > Dear Mr. Bush, > > How come you think that we're just a bunch of dumb hippies in the > streets? > I'm not dumb at all. In fact, your machine paid for my Fulbright > scholarship. > That's when I learned what capitalism was. When I got back from > Berlin, I > walked out onto Times Square and the lights were so bright, I had > to hide in > the public library. After I stop the war, I want to sue Nike, > Pringles and > Cup 'O Soup for taking up space in my brain without paying rent. > > But back to stupid. This is what I think is stupid. 1)Occupying > an Arab > nation for 5-10 years and trying to build a democracy. You say > you want to > protect Americans, but occupying Iraq is a little or a lot like > colonization > and would make a great recruitment ad campaign for Osama. > Meanwhile, you > haven't managed to send any security funds to any cities. We're > all having > to > pay for our own duct tape. And anyhow, the colonizer always > loses. Remember, > we used to be a colony. 2)The fact that you got to be president. > I should > have really said this first, but I'm not in the mood to cut and > paste. But > seriously, this is the whole problem. 3)The fact that people > think I'm not > American because I think it's stupid that you're president. In > fact, this > bothers me so much that at protests I've started waving an > unaltered > American > flag when I yell "Drop Bush, Not Bombs." 4)Giving 30 Billion > dollars a year > to Israel 5)Writing mandatory public school reforms and then not > giving > states the money to implement them. There are more things that I > think are > stupid, but I don't want to overwhelm you. > > I think it's very smart that you don't teach people to read in > this country. > It makes it easier for them to like you. Fox news has those great > little > slogans, so the people don't have to read. They can just love you > and hate > everything else. > > Between the taxes and the war I've come to think you're evil > incarnate. > > Sincerely, > Magdalena Zurawski > --------- > > > ABOUT THE POETS: > > ANSELM BERRIGAN's lated book ZERO STAR HOTEL is available from > HREF="http://www.aerialedge.com/zero.htm">http://www.aerialedge.com/ zero.htm > > > BUCK DOWNS lives and works in Washington, DC. His first book, > marijuana > softdrink., is available from Edge Books HREF="http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm"> > http://www.aerialedge.com/marijuana.htm > > MYTILI JAGANNATHAN lives in Philadelphia, where she has been > actively > involved in the community arts work of the Asian Arts Initiative > over the > past five years. Her poems have appeared in _Combo_, > _Interlope_, > _XConnect_, _Salt_, _Mirage#4/Period[ical]_, _Rattapallax_, and > _Xcp: > Cross-Cultural Poetics_. > See Mytili at HREF="http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/"> > http://www.pewarts.org/2002/jagannathan/ > > KEVIN KILLIAN is a novelist, art writer, poet and playwright. He > has > written > several books including I CRY LIKE A BABY, SHY, ARCTIC SUMMER and > ARGENTO > SERIES. With Dodie Bellamy he is editing the work of their late > friend, Sam > D'Allesandro, for a collected stories volume. He lives in San > Francisco. > > EILEEN MYLES is a poet who lives in NY and a novelist who teaches > at UCSD. > Latest book of poems Skies, on my way, latest novel, Cool for > You. Visit HREF="http://www.eileenmyles.com">http://www.eileenmyles.com > > ALICE NOTLEY is the author of more than twenty books of poetry. > Her > book-length poem THE DESCENT OF ALETTE was published by Penguin > in 1996, > followed by MYSTERIES OF SMALL HOUSES (1998), which was one of > three > nominees > for the Pulitzer Prize and was the winner of the Los Angeles > Times Book > Award > for Poetry. Her latest book DISOBEDIENCE is the recipient of > the 2002 > Griffin Poetry Prize: HREF="http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html"> > http://www.griffinpoetryprize.com/gpp2002/notley.html She > now lives > permanently in Paris. > > GIL OTT is Editor and Publisher of Singing Horse, a literary > press. Now in > its 27th year of continuous operation, Singing Horse has produced > over > twenty-five titles by emerging poets and writers. The journal > Paper Air, > which the Press published from 1976 through 1990, was the > recipient of an > Editors' Fellowship from the Council of Literary Magazines and > Presses in > 1985. He has published thirteen books of poetry and prose, > including The > Yellow Floor (Sun & Moon, 1985), within range (Burning Deck, > 1987), Public > Domain (Potes & Poets, 1989), and The Whole Note (Zasterle, > Canary Islands, > Spain, 1996), and Traffic, Chax Press (Tucson, 2001). He is > married to the > poet and educator Julia Blumenreich. They have a daughter, Willa. > They live > in the Mt Airy section of Philadelphia. > Some links to Gil Ott on the web: HREF="http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm"> > http://www.webpages.ull.es/users/mbrito/ott.htm > > http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/ott.html > HREF="http://www.chax.org/chaxlist.htm">http://www.chax.org/chaxlist .htm > > > FRANK SHERLOCK curates the La Tazza Reading Series w/ Magdalena > Zurawski in > Philadelphia. His poems have recently appeared in Puppy Flowers, > TOOL and > can we have our ball back? Past chapbooks include 13 (ixnay > 1999) and a > collaboration with CAConrad entitled, end/begin w/chants. Their > latest > joint > effort is an open-ended project materializing as The City Real & > Imagined: > Philadelphia Poems. A new seris of poems appears in the new > ixnay reader HREF="http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm"> > http://www.durationpress.com/ixnay/reader_1.htm > See some of his poems at HREF="http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm"> > http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/13sherlock.htm > and more at HREF="http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html"> > http://www.puppyflowers.com/III/still.html > > MAGDALENA ZURAWSKI is a waiter/writer living in Philadelphia. She > is working > on a novel called THE BRUISE. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:38:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: h.d. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >could anyone tell me where i can download duncan's h.d. book? > >thanks > >DH I have it. I think I searched frontier Press. -- George Bowering Moustache is wrong colour Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:52:06 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: Re: [imitationpoetics] suppression of the press in '91 gulf war Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers , ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When those nice fellas challenged my claim that journalists are either forc= ed away from the battlefield through liability, coercion, patriotism, or fl= at-out force, or they are identified on the battlefield as enemy targets to= be neutralized, when I said things have changed since someone like Michael= Herr collected the material that later became "Dispatches" and "Apocalypse= Now", when those white guys challenged my claim by disrespectfully blurtin= g "what's your source" and "that's a lie" and "that's simply not true", the= y were cornered morons and acting as such. Rat-faced O'Reilly watchers. T= hey succeeded to force the thread of discussion away from me and the points= I made. We are still losing. Here's the guy who told me I was a liar (or something like that): http://www.uncwil.edu/writers/Faculty/Gerard/gerard.htm If you look at his work you'll see he's what Burroughs referred to as a "Ge= neral lover," someone who gets a puffy from fantasizing about war. This is= the sorta guy who stroke about one day being published by the Pentagon, ju= st like Tom Clancy. Not to get ad hominem or anything. Heh. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Gabriel Gudding Reply-To: "ImitaPo Memebers" Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:08:44 -0600 >Imitation Poetics >ImitationPoetics@listserv.unc.edu >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > >for the 3 white guys in the panel audience on academe & war (arranged by >Mairead Byrne & Kazim Ali) at the AWP who insisted that the press were not= >suppressed or threatened or censored by the US Military... > >http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,894708,00.html > >'What I saw was a bunch of filled-in trenches with people's arms and legs = >sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands' > >Patrick J Sloyan on how the mass slaughter of a group of Iraqis went >unreported > >Friday February 14, 2003 >The Guardian > >On February 25 1991 the war correspondent Leon Daniel arrived at a >battlefield at the tip of the neutral zone between Iraq and Saudi Arabia. = >Daniel was one of a pool of journalists who had been held back from >witnessing action the previous day, when Desert Storm's ground war had bee= n >launched. There, right where he was standing, 8,400 soldiers of the US >First Infantry Division - known as the Big Red One - had attacked an >estimated 8,000 Iraqis with 3,000 Abrams main battle tanks, Bradley >fighting vehicles, Humvees and armoured personnel carriers. >Daniel had seen the aftermath of modest firefights in Vietnam. "The bodies= >would be stacked up like cordwood," he recalled. Yet this ferocious attack= >had not produced a single visible body. It was a battlefield without the >stench of urine, faeces, blood and bits of flesh. Daniel wondered what >happened to the estimated 6,000 Iraqi defenders who had vanished. "Where >are the bodies?" he finally asked the First Division's public affairs >officer, an army major. "What bodies?" the major replied. >Months later, Daniel and the world would learn why the dead had eluded >eyewitnesses, cameras and video footage. Thousands of Iraqi soldiers, some= >of them firing their weapons from first world war-style trenches, had been= >buried by ploughs mounted on Abrams tanks. The tanks had flanked the lines= >so that tons of sand from the plough spoil had funnelled into the trenches= . >Just behind the tanks, straddling the trench line, came Bradleys pumping >machine-gun bullets into Iraqi troops. >"I came through right after the lead company," said Colonel Anthony Moreno= . >"What you saw was a bunch of buried trenches with people's arms and legs >sticking out of them. For all I know, we could have killed thousands." >Two other brigades used the same tank-mounted ploughs and Bradleys to >obliterate an estimated 70 miles of defensive trenches. They moved swiftly= . >The operation had been rehearsed repeatedly, weeks before, on a mile-long = >trench line built according to satellite photographs. The finishing touche= s >were made by armoured combat earth-movers (ACEs). These massive bulldozers= , >with armoured cockpits impervious to small-arms fire, smoothed away any >hint of the carnage. "A lot of guys were scared, but I enjoyed it," said >PFC Joe Queen, an ACE driver awarded a Bronze Star for his performance in = >the battle. >What happened in the neutral zone that day is a metaphor for the art of wa= r >in an era when domestic politics is often more important than the >predictable outcome on the field of battle. In 1991 American voters rallie= d >behind President George Bush Sr for the seemingly bloodless confrontation = >with Saddam Hussein. Neatly hidden from a small army of journalists was th= e >reality of war - a reality that can make these very same voters recoil in = >disapproval. >His son is likely to use the same sort of tactics to blind one of the >world's freest and most influential media establishments. Running the show= >for President George Bush is the man who manipulated global perceptions of= >the first Gulf war for Bush Sr: Dick Cheney. Then defence secretary and no= w >vice-president, Cheney is likely to buffalo the New York Times, the >Associated Press, CNN and others ready to bend to US government censorship= . >According to White House officials, no final decisions have been made by >Bush, Cheney and current defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld. "We're still >negotiating with the media," said one administration official. But Bush ha= s >already implemented ground rules that require journalists to give up their= >mobile and satellite phones to military commanders who would control the >movements of these so-called pool reporters during Desert Storm II. If the= >final rules, organised by the Pentagon, are anything like the pool system = >designed by Bush Sr and Cheney in 1991, the world will be given a cloudy >mixture of video footage and misinformation that will fog the reality of w= ar. >Daniel, the wire service veteran, was part of the 1991 pool system. About = >150 American journalists, photographers and film crews were scattered amon= g >attacking units. Their reports were supposed to be fed to a rear >headquarters and then shared by hundreds of journalists from around the >world. "They wouldn't let us see anything," said Daniel, who has seen just= >about everything there is to see in war. Not a single eyewitness account, = >photograph or strip of video of combat between 400,000 soldiers in the >desert was produced by this battalion of professional observers. >Most of the grisly photos from Desert Storm seen today were the work of >independent journalists who raced to the "Highway of Death" north of >Kuwait, where war planes had destroyed thousands of vehicles in which Iraq= i >soldiers had fled after the start of the ground war. The area was free of = >the military handlers who routinely interrupted interviews to chastise >soldiers into changing their statements while reporters stood back, or >forcibly removed film from cameras that captured images deemed offensive b= y >an Army public affairs officer. >Cheney, brimming with contempt and hostility for the press, saw journalist= s >as critics of the military who must be contained. "Frankly, I looked on it= >as a problem to be managed," he said after the war. "The information >function was extraordinarily important. I did not have a lot of confidence= >that I could leave that to the press." >Since being brought into government as an intern by Donald Rumsfeld, then = a >congressman, Cheney has spent most of his adult life fencing with the medi= a >and learning its strengths and weaknesses. A stunning victory in 1991 was = >the media's agreement to permit the Pentagon to censor journalists' report= s >before they were printed or broadcast. In the past the Pentagon had left >censorship up to individual reporters. During 10 years of war in Vietnam, = >not one journalist violated self-imposed rules against reporting, for >example, specific locations of attacks. >As a result, the conventional wisdom was that the government was not >violating the First Amendment to the Constitution: that Congress "will mak= e >no law to abridge [. . .] freedom of the press". Only a handful of >journalists went to federal court to challenge the government censorship >imposed by Bush, Cheney and Colin Powell, chairman of the joint chiefs of = >staff. The court ruled the suit moot - the war was over - but invited the = >press to try again so that the issue might be settled. It never was. >The media was more duped than cowed. Cheney won over some people with the = >promise that places in the pool would give them an advantage over >competitors. For instance, a Washington Post pool reporter kept to himself= >all details of a US Marine operation for exclusive use by the Post and, >later, a book. >For independent journalists, life was much more difficult. More than 70 >operating outside the pool system were arrested, detained, threatened at >gunpoint or chased from the front line. Army public affairs officers made = >nightly visits to hotels and restaurants in Hafir al Batin, a Saudi town o= n >the Iraqi border. Reporters and photographers would bolt from the table. >The slower ones were arrested. >But when the ground war started, the mighty were hamstrung along with the = >mediocre. The Associated Press, which benefited most from a system that >turned all journalists into wire service reporters, sent photographer Scot= t >Applewhite to cover victims of a Scud missile attack near Dahran. The >warhead had hit an American tent, killing 25 army reservists and wounding = >70. It was the single biggest loss to Saddam Hussein during Desert Storm. = >Applewhite, an accredited pool member, was stopped by US Army military >police. When he objected, they punched and handcuffed him while ripping th= e >film from his cameras. >Cheney made sure it was just as bad for the rest of the pool. When the >ground war started, the defence secretary declared a "media blackout", >blocking all reports. After the war, General Norman Schwarzkopf and his >aides revealed that the blackout was ordered because of fears that Saddam = >would use chemical weapons on allied forces. Potential news reports of >soldiers writhing in agony from a cloud of sarin nerve gas had spooked the= >president and his commanders. "No pictures of that," said General Richard = >Neal, who directed ground operations during the war. >As a result, reports and film were delayed or "lost" by military commander= s >so that most of it arrived too late for most deadlines. Neal and >Schwarzkopf provided the bulk of briefings and videos in Saudi Arabia, and= >these were the first reports to filter through; many became the basis of >the most lasting perceptions of Desert Storm. Gun camera footage always >showed empty bridges or aircraft hangars being destroyed by "smart bombs" = - >laser-guided munitions that never struck a single human. But only 6% of th= e >munitions used against Iraq could be guided to a target. Over 94% were far= >less surgical during the 30-day air war, which often saw 400 sorties a day= . >Those bombs depended on gravity and variable winds, and were capable of >causing "collateral damage" to nearby unarmed civilians. >The global television audience was awed by Tomahawk cruise missiles roarin= g >from the decks of US Navy warships at sea. But less than 10% hit their >targets. The missile's accuracy depends on landmarks that can be spotted b= y >an on-board camera that can shift the weapon's direction. But the >featureless desert led many Tomahawks to wander away like so many lost >patrols, according to Pentagon studies. >Schwarzkopf conducted televised briefings about the allied counterattack o= n >Saddam's Scud missiles that had terrorised Saudi Arabia as well as Israel.= >Yet an air force study after the war showed that Iraq had ended up with as= >many Scud launchers as it had possessed before the war started. A murky >Schwarzkopf video showed the destruction of what seemed to be a Scud >launcher, but later turned out to be a bombed oil truck. >Controlling the briefings, the videos and the press during Desert Storm wa= s >an extension of US policy started by President Ronald Reagan and his >defence chief, Caspar Weinberger. It was Weinberger, an anglophile, who >admired Margaret Thatcher's manipulation of the media during the Falklands= >war, which led directly to her political revival in 1982. A year later, >Weinberger took control of the US media when Reagan found himself in a >deepening hole in Lebanon. >On October 23 1983, 241 US Marines died after a truck laden with explosive= s >destroyed a makeshift barracks at Beirut airport. The massacre suddenly >focused attention on the ageing actor's foreign policy decisions as the >reports and pictures showed the removal of American bodies. Within 48 hour= s >of the bombing, the president dispatched the first wave of 5,000 American = >troops to Grenada in the Caribbean. >But the invasion angered Thatcher. Grenada was linked to the UK as a membe= r >of the Commonwealth. Only the previous week, Washington had informed Londo= n >that there was no need for outside intervention, as local political turmoi= l >was likely to play itself out without further bloodshed. Geoffrey Howe, >Britain's foreign minister, was explicit. "The invasion of Grenada was >clearly designed to divert attention," Howe said in an interview. "You had= >disaster in Beirut; now triumph in Grenada. 'Don't look there,' " he said,= >gesturing with his forefinger, " 'look over here.' " >Reporters were banned from Grenada. Those who tried to land on the island,= >such as Morris Thompson of Newsday, were arrested and imprisoned on US >ships offshore. All details and videos were supplied by military reporters= >and photographers at Pentagon briefings. >The media barons howled, but little changed. When Bush Sr invaded Panama i= n >1989, journalists were once again banned. Democratic congressman Charles >Rangle of New York still insists that as many as 5,000 civilians in Panama= >City were killed by US invaders. But there are no pictures, no eyewitness = >accounts. >The invasion of Panama and the arrest of Manuel Noriega were, like Desert = >Storm later, something of a political triumph for Bush. But the reality of= >that particular war asserted itself during a televised briefing by the >president. It was just at the end of the session, when Bush was >wisecracking with reporters, that most networks split their screens to sho= w >the arrival of dead US soldiers from Panama. >Bush was caught bantering as flag-draped coffins arrived at an air force >base in Dover, Delaware - a military mortuary. Later that week, Bush >ordered the press banned from covering the arrival ceremonies for the >fallen. President Clinton continued the ban. And his successor, President = >George Bush, also wants to keep the dead out of the national limelight. >=B7 Patrick J Sloyan's reporting on the war after the end of Desert Storm = won >the Pulitzer prize for international reporting in 1992. > > > >--- >You are currently subscribed to imitationpoetics as: patrick@proximate.org= >List Info: >http://listserv.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=3DImitationPoetics > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:26:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joshua Mckinney Subject: apology Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, My apologies for sending a personal post to the list. An accident. Josh McKinney ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:16:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Torres & Kalleberg, Bowery, Sat. March 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, March 15, 4 PM, NYC Edwin Torres & Garrett Kalleberg Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 Admission $4 Edwin Torres is a NYC poet who has traveled many landscapes among many poetries. His web site is www.brainlingo.com and publications include The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker (Roof: http://www.roof.com ), Fractured Humorous (subpress) and Please (a CD-Rom from Faux Press). He is co-editor of Cities Of Chance: An Anthology Of New Poetry From The U.S. And Brazil, and co-editor of the poetry journal, Rattapallax. Garrett Kalleberg is the author of Some Mantic Daemons (Futurepoem: http://www.futurepoem.com ), Psychological Corporations (Spuyten Duyvil), Limbic Odes (Heart Hammer), and co-author of Brooklyn Drama Club's The Situation Room. His work has appeared in Sulfur, First Intensity, Denver Quarterly, Mandorla, Amer. Letters & Commentary, and in An Anthology of New (American) Poets (Talisman). He lives in Brooklyn. The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:32:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Re: [imitationpoetics] suppression of the press in '91 gulf war Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org In-Reply-To: <200303101652.AA72418000@proximate.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 3/10/03 1:52 PM, patrick@proximate.org at patrick@PROXIMATE.ORG wrote: > When those nice fellas challenged my claim that journalists are either fo= rced > away from the battlefield through liability, coercion, patriotism, or fla= t-out > force, or they are identified on the battlefield as enemy targets to be > neutralized, when I said things have changed since someone like Michael H= err > collected the material that later became "Dispatches" and "Apocalypse Now= ", > when those white guys challenged my claim by disrespectfully blurting "wh= at's > your source" and "that's a lie" and "that's simply not true", they were > cornered morons and acting as such. Rat-faced O'Reilly watchers. They > succeeded to force the thread of discussion away from me and the points I > made. >=20 > We are still losing. >=20 > Here's the guy who told me I was a liar (or something like that): >=20 > http://www.uncwil.edu/writers/Faculty/Gerard/gerard.htm >=20 Whatever else this person is, he is grammatically inept and has the tin-est of tin ears. His use of English is dreadful, as in this ignominious excerpt= , selected at random: >> Anyone who has ever tried to write a story will forever after read with deeper appreciation. I further urge students to take up the habit of art in their own writing-- holding themselves always to a higher standard than any teacher, editor, or reader. My goal is to instill in them a passion for knowing. No matter how many times I try, I still can=B9t get my mouth around "I furthe= r urge" and "will forever after read"! And passion for knowing WHAT??? Eh, if I were told that I was to be taught writing by this guy I would flee in horror. As to the question of sources: you know how that dirty game is played, right? Once you provide a source they will tell you it=B9s biased. And once you provide an unbiased source they will tell you it=B9s poorly documented. (Give a source for the source etc., ad infinitum!) And once you provide an unbiased source that is well documented they will simply call you a commie. You can=B9t win with these ideologues; don=B9t even try. Even the devil bowls a strike sometimes. m ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:58:28 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAYDREAMS 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEA XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXXXPEA E EC PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE EAP PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE PE PE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXXX RESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTION911X Peace in a mirror JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:00:44 -0800 Reply-To: solipsis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: solipsis Subject: Re: [imitationpoetics] suppression of the press in '91 gulf war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eh, if I were told that I was to be taught writing by this guy I would flee in horror. Eh? Is that the formal Eh or closer to the Eeew? The Canadian Eh, or the Tennessian Ear-horn Eh? Would you Flee in Horror or Horreur.. or would you possible mince about rolling your eyes and giggling to yourself while another human being tries to make their shabby, but wholly sincere point! Fuck off Teach! All proscriptive grammatics make me want to vomit.. If there wasnt already a war going on I would start one against all you English Language Hegemonics assholes.. Part of the problem with Coupling any kind of Poetics to people associated with the professionalization and institutionalization of Natural Languages is that they are determined to bring the fascist will of their "sense of language" to the biological democracy of the spoken and semiotic domain.. Forgive me for stepping on any toes, but the utilization of descriptive grammatics and/or spelling practices is far more anthropologically correct and gives inclusion to a great deal more human expression and community. I would rather sit and listen to 10 minutes of ill-expressed "Truckerese" or Cockney or Pidgin, and any number of garbled variants on the King's English than to have my tongue lassooed by the pricks and cunts of Pedagogy that so self-righteously push their lang-snobbery.. And maybe this particular post or particular respondent may not be the best case in point.. But this is the exact reason why I call my work Data-Sculpure instead of Poetry.. Every inch of this cosmos is saying something, and "error" is one of the fundamental properties of all signal propagation.. When you figure out how the "grammar" and "spelling" and "good ear" of genetic and social evolution all fit together to create this world of ours then let me know, because I'd really like to hear about it.. yores-trooly, Lanny Quarles Optics, Robotics, Chemical Systems Maintenance Technician attached to the Photolithography Engineering Group, LSI LOGIC (and data-sculptor) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:19:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Kimball Subject: Jordan, Nada, Alice Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit BOOK PARTY FAUX PRESS MONDAY, MARCH 17 JORDAN DAVIS ~~ MILLION POEMS JOURNAL NADA GORDON ~~ V. IMP. ALICE NOTLEY ~~ WALTZING MATILDA TEACHERS & WRITERS 5 UNION SQUARE WEST 7TH FLOOR NYC 7:00 P.M. READINGS & REFRESHMENTS FREE ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 20:06:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Brakhage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/10/03 2:26:33 AM, steph484@PACBELL.NET writes: >nd he thought >he might be going over the edge since nothing would stop the sound - a >little like that old "tap tap tap" sound in Edgar Allan Poe story of the >scared watchman in the middle of the night on the ship. So he went to a >public hospital. On New Years Day it took forever to finally get a Doctor >who explored the ear in depth with a tweezer device. Up out of the ear >and >put before his eye, the Doctor delivered a cockroach! > This is amazing. God, Kafka and the movies! Murat ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:53:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Stan Brakhage from -Metaphors on Vision- Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "To see is to retain--to behold. Elimination of all fear is in sight--which must be aimed for....This is an age which has no symbol for death other than the skill and bones of one stage of decomposition...and it is an age which lives in fear of total annihilation. It is a time haunted by sexual sterility yet almost universally incapable of perceiving the phallic nature of every destructive manifestation of itself. It is an age which artificially seeks to project itself materialistically into abstract space and to fulfill itself mechanically because it has blinded itself to almost all external reality within eyesight and to the organic awareness of even the physical movement properties of its own perceptibility. The earliest cave paintings discovered demonstrate that primitive man had a greater understanding than we do that the object of fear must be objectified." Stan Brakhage -Metaphors On Vision- 1963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:36:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: John Chris Jones - check out - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII (this is the site of John Chris Jones - like his work a great deal - Alan) http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk/2.2/whats_new.html . They can receive 'daffodil' (the monthly newsletter of what's new at my 'public writing place' http://www.softopia.demon.co,uk ) by sending an email (with 'subscribe' in the subject line) to jcj@softopia.demon.co.uk. I don't send out the newsletter unsolicited. good wishes john chris (a double first name, as is quite common in Wales.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:36:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: FLASH! flesh! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII STOP! FLASH! U.S. CARRIER JESUS-CHRIST DESTROYED BY NUCLEAR BOMB! NO SURVIVORS! STOP! FLASH! U.S. STEALTH BOMBER FREEDOM DESTROYED BY PAKISTANI MISSILE! DESERT CRASH! NO SURVIVORS! ALL WONDER-BRED AMERICAN YOUTH MASSACRED! STOP! FLASH! U.S. DESTROYER RIGHT-TO-LIFE DESTROYED BY MOTHER OF ALL BOMBS! NUMEROUS CASUALTIES! STOP! FLASH! PLATOON GOD'S-TRUTH SMASHED BY MORTARS! STALWART TRUE-BLUE AMERICAN BOYS AND GIRLS SLAUGHTERED! STOP! FLASH! AIRCRAFT CARRIER RIGHTEOUS-HAMMER SUNK BY RUSSIAN TORPEDO! ALL HANDS ON BOARD LOST! STOP! FLASH! FOURTH ARMY OUR-LORD BLASTED IN POISON-GAS ATTACK! ALL ANNIHILATED! ALL PUREBRED AMERICANS KILLED! STOP! FLASH! flesh! to read the book one must have an open mind and articulate carefully! stop! flesh! to read the book one must give oneself totally to the book! stop! flesh! to read the book one must understand inner and outer meanings! stop! flesh! to read the book one must follow the book! stop! flesh! to read the book! know it refutes all other books! know it contains them! stop! flesh! to read the book one must obey its commandments! stop! flesh! stop! === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 21:50:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: That which is nearest to Perfection In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That which is nearest to Perfection (In Memoriam SB #02, 03/10 2003) Ttton Thingstheirrthly losophersolvethetalstter cury Hendeavourethoutheaven dinggoldddd Toolveder radicallyyy Lunannotransmutedgediestoredyy yyned icine Nold ethheralss ometals solvethheedddingreathesture xcepttion neveromercury yyyyyy yyy y ethercury yy e ddd issolutiontofermentinggeberebis Thetalsolveducedy yy Theaventofeces Sulphurcurylosopherssilver erfectincture Soluna veenthemselves t heed Theforyyyy losophers Sulphurcuryyedetainedies ssetheetallickeerfectogetherrrd ddd Thatinctureelicited dddddddeddddstone Everyyyyrick ingolddotheinghton Innton gamation Thesspiritervene lseeddiationgneeerment Thercuryyyyyyyy y yy yyyyyyptianoted owedness semi-mineralsembleeeness Allluna nces Malemale rcuryy y Withoutrefactionolutionndureth hiteness Sonstruumercury ethercury losopherssssss ulphuromercuryyed Whenethess ssary thing s The enetratingethhundreddeathher Theat Theroughtoteddestroyed Everyyondd dddddd dercury slosophersspeakingree econdddy Therr curyouurthhhered ivers Thereeness s oredeadethegreeerfect herethedicineerated dreddoubleercury yyyyyy yy y losopherssmuchinginal veducears s s Thecoctionaturerformeth eeerfection dddigested Buthecondecoctionature ertueercuryyyy ylosophers Everylosophercury yyythingsophers slyyyyness sssuperfluities urecretheeth Ifffterrcurylosophers tone causeeparationtainethoself Everyyyyy youryylosophers sophers elffrometals : sssivercuryy Whosoeverrrecipitateder unningggrievously Tomposeercurysicalyy Ifform Itheeers ssary yyylosophicknowhicheed Theeddderth ateddddddegreeeeeatheeercury yyneddddddesirethimationaries Goldenowethowithathatton % ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:58:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Stan Brakhage from -Metaphors on Vision- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Child of the Willows For Stan Brakhage Frame follows frame of Purest flaming prairie of Infuriating earth From shelterbelt Saw sprockets At field edge Nothing forlorn for acres Across a plain colored by commerce Whispers from the bleeding ears of Kansas Crash crop of the nameable Crowing across cowed pasture A commodity is a sometimes thing A house that substitutes for speech No lacunae In story space Cell after painted cell Daily rushes of flourishing corn Flickering poetics <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So all rogues lean to rhyme." --James Joyce Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:51:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: h.d. book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, I've got a request. If you're responding to an unusually large message to the list, would you be kind enough NOT to just send a complete copy of the original message in your response. Besides being unneccessary for anyone who read the original post, it takes up a lot of space in peoples' inboxes, sometimes causing them to become full (as it did mine today). Your consideration is appreciated. Mark DuCharme _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: STOMP ON THE TERRA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dearest Lanny Like wow dood, u kno? Wurd chill thrill, like, u kno? Seriously, Lanny, is this the hegemony of anti-hegemony? What I mean to say is, the Safire vs. Chomsky debate is old and too comically polarized. This wrinkled debate can be illustrated by placing a very stoned 50 yr old ex hippie in a clasroom with his very 1950s sexually repressed grammar teacher, listening to his teacher with blood-beseiged eyes, the glint of rebellion. Translation: it's a travesty of the issues; a person can support aspects of both positions without being religiously committed to either. The incentive in such a contradictory position is that religious folk, even religiously anti-religious folk, are, like, you know, like, way scary, you know? And like we don't need none of that, dig? Weeeze got dem bloodsucking scumbags in the WHITE house already. I think MP's point was that Gerard sucks. Well, even in a relativist world (if we need to resort to good old puritanism), speaking as an objective subjectivist and subjective objectivist, Gerard SUCKS. I agree. Can we get a quorum? I don't want to pick on you. I just cannot help but notice your attempt to proscribe MP's supposed norms. Is your position not the least bit absurd for your relativist/perceiver/appreciator position? Or at the same time you reject what you perceive as MP's imagined objectivism you provide us with a fundamental property of the universe...ERROR? Uh...please refresh my memory...what exactly IS an error? Maybe my memory has, uh, errored-out on error. While I would concede many of your points, I also sense you might have missed what may have been MP's point. Philip Gerard (the alleged perpetrator of clearly shitty writing) would just as soon shove a steel spike up your ass and show his teeth through that mustachioed wound of an excuse for a mouth, all decked out in his blue oxford button down (medium starch, thank you) and khaki dockers, cell phone clipped t the webbed belt, than to actually thank you for your support. Philip Gerard is no friend of yours. He just wants to drink your blood, unless of course you give ol' revisionist Dana Joy-ah and his radicalist Bushies the good ol' reach-around. Then he'll let you live long enough to let you vote. And then stomp you into the terra. Of course, after such an action, it might not be an objective fact that you were tread upon. Whatever gets you through the night It's alright It's alright It's alright, Patrick Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:00:44 -0800 From: solipsis Subject: Re: [imitationpoetics] suppression of the press in '91 gulf war Eh, if I were told that I was to be taught writing by this guy I would flee in horror. Eh? Is that the formal Eh or closer to the Eeew? The Canadian Eh, or the Tennessian Ear-horn Eh? Would you Flee in Horror or Horreur.. or would you possible mince about rolling your eyes and giggling to yourself while another human being tries to make their shabby, but wholly sincere point! Fuck off Teach! All proscriptive grammatics make me want to vomit.. If there wasnt already a war going on I would start one against all you English Language Hegemonics assholes.. Part of the problem with Coupling any kind of Poetics to people associated with the professionalization and institutionalization of Natural Languages is that they are determined to bring the fascist will of their "sense of language" to the biological democracy of the spoken and semiotic domain.. Forgive me for stepping on any toes, but the utilization of descriptive grammatics and/or spelling practices is far more anthropologically correct and gives inclusion to a great deal more human expression and community. I would rather sit and listen to 10 minutes of ill-expressed "Truckerese" or Cockney or Pidgin, and any number of garbled variants on the King's English than to have my tongue lassooed by the pricks and cunts of Pedagogy that so self-righteously push their lang-snobbery.. And maybe this particular post or particular respondent may not be the best case in point.. But this is the exact reason why I call my work Data-Sculpure instead of Poetry.. Every inch of this cosmos is saying something, and "error" is one of the fundamental properties of all signal propagation.. When you figure out how the "grammar" and "spelling" and "good ear" of genetic and social evolution all fit together to create this world of ours then let me know, because I'd really like to hear about it.. yores-trooly, Lanny Quarles Optics, Robotics, Chemical Systems Maintenance Technician attached to the Photolithography Engineering Group, LSI LOGIC (and data-sculptor) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:45:13 -0800 Reply-To: cstroffo@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino Subject: Re: Torres March 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, Edwin Torres just gave some great readings out here in FRISCO (I'd say his range is Shakespearean if that were not taken as a pejorative thing by some I know on this list---so I'll just write it, in proper "hate speech" parenthesis)... and if you go make sure to pick up a SHOCK WORKER button.... Chris Daniel Machlin wrote: > Saturday, March 15, 4 PM, NYC > Edwin Torres & Garrett Kalleberg > > Bowery Poetry Club > 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) > http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 > Admission $4 > > Edwin Torres is a NYC poet who has traveled many landscapes among many > poetries. His web site is www.brainlingo.com and publications include > The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker (Roof: http://www.roof.com ), > Fractured Humorous (subpress) and Please (a CD-Rom from Faux Press). He > is co-editor of Cities Of Chance: An Anthology Of New Poetry From The > U.S. And Brazil, and co-editor of the poetry journal, Rattapallax. > > Garrett Kalleberg is the author of Some Mantic Daemons (Futurepoem: > http://www.futurepoem.com ), Psychological Corporations (Spuyten > Duyvil), Limbic Odes (Heart Hammer), and co-author of Brooklyn Drama > Club's The Situation Room. His work has appeared in Sulfur, First > Intensity, Denver Quarterly, Mandorla, Amer. Letters & Commentary, and > in An Anthology of New (American) Poets (Talisman). He lives in > Brooklyn. > > The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts > and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are > Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and > Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:30:00 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lanny Quarles Subject: Re: STOMP ON THE TERRA While I rather feel you won't quite understand that I have only ignobled this quaint* surface of inscription with an antonymic reflectance(the ratio of reflected intensity to the incident intensity) of very bleak and subinteresting content ie, your belief that I am presenting "myself" through these "letters" is truly a comic polarization, (parenthetical theatre actuates a non-plussed bo-index) but one which is surely not subject to the Law of Malus. And so in the spirit of the strange distractor, I would point you to an event, and memory does not serve me, though I inhabit it now, of a folk-tale of midieval china, of the calligrapher who was inspired by the random argument of a princess and a porter.. Let us say you are the princess and I the porter, and let us say that paradoxically with my sweaty sandals and hunped back I have purposely rocked your august palanquin(e) only that I might hold your gaze for a moment in the throng and rush of noon-day traffic. And then your lovely voice erupts like a crane from the crocus, your neck angles ever so subtly, your small and embroideried breasts lilting as your mouth curses ever so delicately.. And the calligrapher watches intently. Then sometime later that bystander calligrapher receives his cue in the midst of his doing and conceives a new hybrid iconicity. Perhaps, and perhaps not. Do you feel zoos are humane? I would answer, "In a dirty pool, you gotta use some Anglesh!" Thanks for the personal contact in a sea of performance notices. Having Mind is not Being Mind... *poetry=lawn. > Dearest Lanny > > Like wow dood, u kno? Wurd chill thrill, like, u kno? > > Seriously, Lanny, is this the hegemony of anti-hegemony? What I mean to say is, the Safire vs. Chomsky debate is old and too comically polarized. This wrinkled debate can be illustrated by placing a very stoned 50 yr old ex hippie in a clasroom with his very 1950s sexually repressed grammar teacher, listening to his teacher with blood- beseiged eyes, the glint of rebellion. Translation: it's a travesty of the issues; a person can support aspects of both positions without being religiously committed to either. The incentive in such a contradictory position is that religious folk, even religiously anti-religious folk, are, like, you know, like, way scary, you know? And like we don't need none of that, dig? Weeeze got dem bloodsucking scumbags in the WHITE house already. > > I think MP's point was that Gerard sucks. Well, even in a relativist world (if we need to resort to good old puritanism), speaking as an objective subjectivist and subjective objectivist, Gerard SUCKS. I agree. Can we get a quorum? > > I don't want to pick on you. I just cannot help but notice your attempt to proscribe MP's supposed norms. Is your position not the least bit absurd for your relativist/perceiver/appreciator position? Or at the same time you reject what you perceive as MP's imagined objectivism you provide us with a fundamental property of the universe...ERROR? Uh...please refresh my memory...what exactly IS an error? Maybe my memory has, uh, errored-out on error. > > While I would concede many of your points, I also sense you might have missed what may have been MP's point. Philip Gerard (the alleged perpetrator of clearly shitty writing) would just as soon shove a steel spike up your ass and show his teeth through that mustachioed wound of an excuse for a mouth, all decked out in his blue oxford button down (medium starch, thank you) and khaki dockers, cell phone clipped t the webbed belt, than to actually thank you for your support. Philip Gerard is no friend of yours. He just wants to drink your blood, unless of course you give ol' revisionist Dana Joy-ah and his radicalist Bushies the good ol' reach-around. Then he'll let you live long enough to let you vote. And then stomp you into the terra. Of course, after such an action, it might not be an objective fact that you were tread upon. > > Whatever gets you through the night > It's alright It's alright It's alright, > Patrick > > > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:00:44 -0800 > From: solipsis > Subject: Re: [imitationpoetics] suppression of the press in '91 gulf war > > Eh, if > I were told that I was to be taught writing by this guy I would flee in > horror. > > > Eh? Is that the formal Eh or closer to the Eeew? The Canadian Eh, or the > Tennessian Ear-horn Eh? Would you Flee in Horror or Horreur.. or would you > possible mince about rolling your eyes and giggling to yourself while > another human being tries to make their shabby, but wholly sincere point! > Fuck off Teach! > > All proscriptive grammatics make me want to vomit.. If there wasnt already a > war going on > I would start one against all you English Language Hegemonics assholes.. > Part of the problem with Coupling any kind of Poetics to people associated > with the professionalization and institutionalization of Natural Languages > is that they are determined to bring the fascist will of their "sense of > language" to the biological democracy of the spoken and semiotic domain.. > Forgive me for stepping on any toes, but the utilization of descriptive > grammatics and/or spelling practices is far more anthropologically correct > and gives inclusion to a great deal more human expression and community. I > would rather sit and listen to 10 minutes of ill- expressed "Truckerese" or > Cockney or Pidgin, and any number of garbled variants on the King's English > than to have my tongue lassooed by the pricks and cunts of Pedagogy that so > self-righteously push their lang-snobbery.. And maybe this particular post > or particular respondent may not be the best case in point.. But this is the > exact reason why I call my work Data-Sculpure instead of Poetry.. Every inch > of this cosmos is saying something, and "error" is one of the fundamental > properties of all signal propagation.. When you figure out how the > "grammar" and "spelling" and "good ear" of genetic and social evolution all > fit together to create this world of ours then let me know, because I'd > really like to hear about it.. > > yores-trooly, > Lanny Quarles > Optics, Robotics, Chemical Systems Maintenance Technician > attached to the Photolithography Engineering Group, LSI LOGIC > (and data-sculptor) > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:40:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Brakhage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've been away from e-mail for a couple of days. Wow. Seeing so many of his early films when I was at UWisconsin in the 1970s reinforced a lot of what I was already up to. As did hearing him give a couple of the lectures on silent directors while visiting a friend who went to the Art Institute of Chicago. His talks then reminded me of Cecil Taylor's lectures in Madison: so full of basic personal insights into the direct material nature of the work, beautifully phrased in incredibly idiosyncratic ways to which many people in a classroom situation didn't know how to respond. & then more of the movies while living in Seattle including, I'm happy to recall, some of the most recent hand-painted films a couple of months before leaving for Texas a few years ago. Folks on the list may be interested to know that Criterion DVDs have a two-disc set of 26 of Brakhage's films scheduled for release in May. (The list of films includes Mothlight, Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes, Water Window Baby Moving, Dog Star Man, Dante Quartet, Desistfilm and lots more.) 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visited donors reports Champs remarked facts visited donors reports Champs gaped patiently extended remarked facts visited donors imagination historian reports Champs gaped patiently extended remarked scanners peered pried darkened flew imagination historian gaped patiently extended remarked scanners peered pried darkened flew imagination historian gaped patiently extended scanners peered pried darkened flew imagination historian scanners peered pried darkened flew smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion hearted remnants acting guides hearted remnants acting guides hearted remnants acting guides hearted remnants acting guides expected eyed coldly greeted haughty expected eyed coldly greeted haughty expected eyed coldly greeted haughty expected eyed coldly greeted haughty staking staking staking staking murmured trumpets murmured trumpets murmured glanced eyes trumpets murmured glanced eyes trumpets glanced eyes glanced eyes continued au undermined mission continued au undermined mission continued au undermined mission continued au undermined mission twitching wailing epileptic twitching wailing epileptic twitching wailing epileptic twitching wailing epileptic appeared provider decided pagan appeared provider decided pagan appeared provider leaders parties exerting members decided pagan badly taker appeared provider leaders parties exerting members decided pagan shuttle badly taker leaders parties exerting members shuttle badly taker leaders parties exerting members shuttle badly taker kept shuttle kept kept human assembled kept encampment messengers human assembled encampment messengers human assembled encampment messengers human assembled encampment messengers members interim arrived members interim hated convent arrived members interim hated convent arrived members interim hated convent arrived hated convent refused refused retreating deepening human refused retreating deepening human refused retreating deepening human retreating deepening human resurrection respected resurrection ignoble petty respected resurrection ignoble petty respected resurrection ignoble petty respected ignoble petty returned returned returned dreamed returned dreamed dreamed dreamed shaped shaped tugging thickly shaped tugging thickly shaped tugging thickly tugging thickly crash faded crash faded jobs combat supple squeezed crash faded jobs combat supple squeezed crash faded jobs combat supple squeezed jobs combat supple squeezed asked astonishment asked astonishment asked astonishment filled conflicting emotions hoped asked astonishment observed acting human filled conflicting emotions hoped observed acting human filled conflicting emotions hoped fraught postponed observed acting human filled conflicting emotions hoped fraught postponed observed acting human licking enjoying fraught postponed credibility questioned ensued licking enjoying fraught postponed nerves credibility questioned ensued licking enjoying nerves credibility questioned ensued licking enjoying nerves credibility questioned ensued nerves whomsoever listening depicting whomsoever listening depicting whomsoever listening depicting whomsoever liking listening depicting hereafter recluse preferring existed diaries liking hereafter recluse preferring existed diaries liking cramp hereafter recluse preferring existed diaries liking cramp hereafter recluse preferring existed diaries imagery cramp imagery cramp imagery anyways imagery anyways reappearance laughing anyways reappearance laughing anyways reappearance laughing reappearance laughing military displayed symbols empires maps flags military displayed symbols empires maps flags military displayed symbols empires maps flags accidents sickness miracles military displayed symbols empires maps flags accidents sickness miracles accidents sickness miracles accidents sickness miracles accounts carried accounts carried accounts carried smoky strode markers accounts carried smoky strode markers smoky strode markers smoky strode markers subjectivity matters subjectivity matters subjectivity matters stretcher isolated sickbay armed subjectivity matters kisses pushing stretcher isolated sickbay armed kisses pushing acts cruelty whereas managed stretcher isolated sickbay armed kisses pushing acts cruelty whereas managed stretcher isolated sickbay armed kisses pushing arrived crews counted acts cruelty whereas managed arrived crews counted acts cruelty whereas managed arrived crews counted arrived crews counted faithfulness politically demarcated moderate faithfulness progressed politically demarcated moderate faithfulness progressed politically demarcated moderate faithfulness progressed politically demarcated moderate off'? progressed off'? off'? off'? boost trials cruiser destroyers firmly mastering shudders boost trials cruiser destroyers firmly mastering shudders boost trials leaders cruiser destroyers firmly mastering shudders boost trials leaders cruiser destroyers firmly mastering shudders leaders leaders non seats millennial conclave non pressures advances seats millennial conclave non pressures advances seats millennial conclave non pressures advances seats millennial conclave villagers borders ecclesiastical buildings churches pressures advances villagers borders ecclesiastical buildings churches villagers borders ecclesiastical buildings churches villagers borders ecclesiastical buildings churches puts puts puts stock puts stock stock stock simply resist simply resist crest? simply resist crest? simply resist crest? crest? laid laid taking laid taking laid taking taking making inquiries making inquiries making inquiries making inquiries vociferous demanding genocide vociferous demanding genocide going vociferous demanding genocide going vociferous demanding genocide members elite going noncontiguous operations total situational members elite going interposed noncontiguous operations total situational members elite interposed noncontiguous operations total situational members elite moments dick interposed noncontiguous operations total situational fatality moments dick stops nagging winning fucking interposed fatality moments dick stops nagging winning fucking fatality moments dick stops nagging winning fucking fatality stops nagging winning fucking provocative suggests progressing ought going provocative suggests progressing ought going provocative suggests progressing ought going provocative suggests progressing ought going sacrifices marched sacrifices marched dusty may've managed glanced sacrifices marched dusty may've managed glanced sacrifices marched dusty may've managed glanced dusty may've managed glanced hedge hedge EEG hedge EEG hedge EEG EEG started encampment started encampment thereto nests rivers mate started encampment thereto nests rivers mate started encampment thereto gentlefolk gentlefolk sitting asked nests rivers mate thereto gentlefolk gentlefolk sitting asked nests rivers mate gentlefolk gentlefolk sitting asked gentlefolk gentlefolk sitting asked grabbed drove grabbed drove pierced vacuum grabbed drove pierced vacuum grabbed drove pierced vacuum pierced vacuum giving guy giving guy giving guy mechanism calves wondered giving guy mechanism calves wondered RPF takeover troops mechanism calves wondered RPF takeover troops mechanism calves wondered RPF safeguard RPF takeover troops motivated pathological actions RPF safeguard RPF takeover troops global leading naval rivalries motivated pathological actions RPF safeguard global leading naval rivalries motivated pathological actions RPF safeguard global leading naval rivalries motivated pathological actions global leading naval rivalries owing owing reports killings civilians carried returnees smoking owing reports killings civilians carried returnees smoking owing rods reports killings civilians carried returnees smoking datum premise rods reports killings civilians carried returnees smoking datum premise rods hitch-hike datum premise rods frowned combed strand eyes hitch-hike datum premise frowned combed strand eyes hitch-hike frowned combed strand eyes hitch-hike frowned combed strand eyes newcomers impatiently newcomers impatiently newcomers impatiently newcomers impatiently committed committed committed? arrived committed co arrived destabilise positions co arrived destabilise positions co arrived destabilise positions co destabilise positions pulls arms dancing pulls arms dancing pulls arms dancing pulls arms dancing baptized made spectral theoretically simply baptized made guys stepped putt spectral theoretically simply baptized made guys stepped putt spectral theoretically simply baptized made guys stepped putt spectral theoretically simply guys stepped putt targeted reported fled targeted reported fled encountered deserted bogs hovels targeted reported fled profiles maps neighborhoods C metropolitan encountered deserted bogs hovels targeted reported fled profiles maps neighborhoods C metropolitan encountered deserted bogs hovels profiles maps neighborhoods C metropolitan encountered deserted bogs hovels mountains discoverer caused profiles maps neighborhoods C metropolitan entitled arrived mountains discoverer caused entitled arrived military consistent mountains discoverer caused entitled arrived military consistent mountains discoverer caused entitled arrived military consistent ain't sweatin' military consistent ain't sweatin' ain't sweatin' ain't sweatin' utensils knives apostles fallen utensils knives apostles fallen utensils knives apostles fallen utensils knives apostles fallen civilians precautions accompanied civilians precautions speeds reached linked accompanied civilians precautions myself sincerely speeds reached linked accompanied weaver-diplomatic initiatives military civilians precautions gave butt recognizing myself sincerely speeds reached linked accompanied weaver-diplomatic initiatives military gave butt recognizing myself sincerely speeds reached linked weaver- diplomatic initiatives military gave butt recognizing myself sincerely weaver-diplomatic initiatives military gave butt recognizing non- commissioned babies non-commissioned babies resume ensuing non-commissioned babies resume ensuing non-commissioned babies resume ensuing remained glanced imperious resume ensuing remained glanced imperious remained glanced imperious decade impressed chuckled remained glanced imperious decade gave defensive impressed chuckled decade solemnly brushing gave defensive impressed chuckled decade solemnly brushing gave defensive impressed chuckled solemnly brushing gave defensive possesses capacity recognition values solemnly brushing suns odds possesses capacity recognition values suns odds operated powers possesses capacity recognition values suns odds suns odds operated powers possesses capacity recognition values suns odds suns odds operated powers suns odds operated powers union suns odds union photo analysts agreed pulling union photo analysts agreed pulling union photo analysts agreed pulling photo analysts agreed pulling changes feelings awe approached changes feelings awe approached senior ketch stretcher changes feelings awe approached senior ketch stretcher changes feelings awe approached insists coming paternal suggested senior ketch stretcher insists coming paternal suggested senior ketch stretcher insists coming paternal suggested insists coming paternal suggested devotion mankind symbolizes supreme devotion made myself arrived ago devotion mankind symbolizes supreme devotion made myself arrived ago devotion mankind symbolizes supreme devotion made myself arrived ago devotion mankind symbolizes supreme devotion made myself arrived ago advantages century initiative advantages century initiative advantages century initiative advantages century initiative poured poured poured craft megatons poured craft megatons craft megatons craft megatons biological massacres cited biological massacres cited biological massacres cited biological massacres cited known refugees given known refugees given known keeping refugees given known keeping refugees given keeping keeping making riding pussy making riding pussy making riding pussy making riding pussy VF known griffin VF known griffin VF known griffin VF known griffin relief Lain winced relief Lain winced denied sons worldly relief Lain winced denied sons worldly relief Lain winced arriving denied sons worldly arriving denied sons worldly human capacity reception arriving human capacity reception arriving human capacity reception human capacity reception wearing lieutenant wearing lieutenant wearing lieutenant wearing lieutenant total cleared total cleared total cleared total cleared subsequent proceedings final involved subsequent proceedings final involved subsequent proceedings final involved subsequent proceedings final involved crucial crucial rollered grateful crucial rejects rejects rejects rollered grateful crucial rejects rejects rejects rollered grateful rejects rejects rejects rollered grateful rejects rejects rejects kissing crooning opened kissing crooning opened kissing crooning opened belittled eyes kissing crooning opened sigh cameo belittled eyes darn froze rubbed bluish sigh cameo belittled eyes darn froze rubbed bluish settled wrote sigh cameo belittled eyes darn froze rubbed bluish decided pagan settled wrote sigh cameo shackles slavery darn froze rubbed bluish decided pagan settled wrote shackles slavery decided pagan settled wrote shackles slavery decided pagan shackles slavery multi multi flips pulls teddy multi flips pulls teddy multi leaders policies disturbing flips pulls teddy theorist provided insight leaders policies disturbing flips pulls teddy theorist provided insight leaders policies disturbing theorist provided insight leaders policies disturbing drew met eyes theorist provided insight drew met eyes horrid drew met eyes horrid drew met eyes absorbing soldiers horrid expounded absorbing soldiers horrid expounded absorbing soldiers expounded absorbing soldiers expounded slid wafer exclusive slid wafer watering? permissible sons worldly exclusive slid wafer incoherent watering? permissible sons worldly exclusive slid wafer incoherent watering? permissible lived elder misspent manhood sons worldly exclusive incoherent watering? permissible lived elder misspent manhood sons worldly incoherent lived elder misspent manhood lived elder misspent manhood known training junior known training junior known training junior known training junior allows co-creative involved allows co-creative involved allows co-creative involved allows co- creative involved included AR FAL UZI submachineguns volumes saying capitalize included AR FAL UZI submachineguns volumes saying capitalize included AR FAL UZI submachineguns something going wider inter- lacastrine volumes saying capitalize included AR FAL UZI submachineguns something going trying nation wider inter-lacastrine volumes saying capitalize 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 04:54:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: PEACE #002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PEACE #002 EXCERPT BY CHAD SANDERS www.club-bibliotech.com lonesomeness brook pebbles dreadnought lonesomeness brook pebbles arguments convinced dreadnought lonesomeness brook pebbles arguments convinced dreadnought lonesomeness brook pebbles arguments convinced dreadnought arguments convinced surge surge halted ignoring rockets surge halted ignoring rockets staying surge halted ignoring rockets staying halted ignoring rockets staying bailed staying bailed bailed bailed curly leaping intricacies breaking slender curly painstakingly taught leaping intricacies breaking slender curly painstakingly taught leaping intricacies breaking slender curly painstakingly taught freaked expected fooling leaping intricacies breaking slender baptizing painstakingly taught freaked expected fooling baptizing freaked expected fooling puddle soaking baptizing freaked expected fooling remained puddle soaking baptizing wrapping remained puddle soaking upbraid divining clouded mining toughies wrapping remained puddle soaking upbraid divining clouded mining toughies wrapping remained upbraid divining clouded leading tactical operational mining toughies wrapping upbraid divining clouded leading tactical operational mining toughies leading tactical operational leading tactical operational bleachers guys hadn't tee bleachers guys hadn't tee climbed eta quarry dropped astern bleachers guys hadn't tee ennobling climbed eta quarry dropped astern bleachers guys hadn't tee ennobling climbed eta quarry dropped astern ennobling climbed eta quarry dropped astern doctors ennobling doctors doctors commander missile wildly doctors commander missile wildly afford commander missile wildly afford commander missile wildly broke thoughts where afford broke thoughts where afford broke thoughts where culminated broke thoughts where culminated? demanded culminated demanded culminated stops flying going demanded hunger demanded flogging puppets stops flying going demanded hunger demanded flogging puppets stops flying going hunger demanded flogging puppets stops flying going hunger demanded flogging puppets finer delicacy praised stories involving finer delicacy praised stories involving finer delicacy praised horny stories involving finer delicacy praised horny stories involving horny horny arced breaking arced breaking arced breaking arced breaking cyborg situational donors cyborg raised curly sensually made fatlings killed readiness guests situational donors cyborg raised curly sensually passes made fatlings killed readiness guests situational donors cyborg raised curly sensually passes made fatlings killed readiness guests situational donors hair breadth telling raised curly sensually passes made fatlings killed readiness guests hair breadth telling passes hair breadth telling hair breadth telling smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion smooth fast completion hearted crash increasing subsidies vantage ensconced hearted crash increasing subsidies vantage ensconced hearted crash increasing subsidies century vantage ensconced hearted crash increasing subsidies guns fired shattered century vantage ensconced paused watching eyes guns fired shattered century paused watching eyes guns fired shattered century paused watching eyes guns fired shattered looking eyebrows knitted paused watching eyes looking eyebrows knitted looking eyebrows knitted looking eyebrows knitted ahemmed reticence ahemmed reticence ahemmed reticence ahemmed reticence formed silvery presented unintentionally stray formed silvery presented unintentionally stray formed silvery spat quintet missiles human MDMs smarter presented unintentionally stray formed silvery spat quintet missiles human MDMs smarter presented unintentionally stray spat quintet missiles human MDMs smarter spat quintet missiles human MDMs smarter processes resonate strongly processes resonate strongly processes resonate strongly processes resonate strongly likewise concerned welfare likewise concerned welfare likewise concerned welfare likewise concerned welfare fuck fuck cum fuck fuck cum demeanor fuck fuck cum demeanor fuck fuck cum shuttle demeanor shuttle demeanor shuttle shuttle mighty mighty mighty mighty reported looks guys unless reported looks guys unless reported looks guys unless reported supreme beings looks guys unless supreme beings supreme beings supreme beings advisers greater prisons advisers greater prisons advisers greater prisons advisers greater prisons law declared balking stretched gained law declared balking stretched gained telling law declared balking stretched gained staring trying implications going forced telling law declared balking made dying stretched gained harder staring trying implications going forced telling made dying harder staring trying implications going forced telling made dying harder staring trying implications going forced cried shudder made dying known enlisted commissioned harder cried shudder known enlisted commissioned reflection desirability cried shudder roulette? position known enlisted commissioned reflection desirability cried shudder civilians reportedly killed RPA soldiers roulette? position known enlisted commissioned reflection desirability shaping participant civilians reportedly killed RPA soldiers roulette? position reflection desirability shaping participant civilians reportedly killed RPA soldiers roulette? position shaping participant civilians reportedly killed RPA soldiers shaping participant trapeze guy trapeze guy trapeze guy trapeze guy diamonds diamonds marvellous diamonds diamonds marvellous diamonds diamonds marvellous screwing orgasm diamonds diamonds marvellous screwing orgasm screwing orgasm screwing orgasm trembled trembled shook trembled restrictions imposed parent legal shook trembled tricks? asked restrictions imposed parent legal shook tricks? asked restrictions imposed parent legal shook oppose revolved tricks? asked restrictions imposed parent legal oppose revolved tricks? asked oppose revolved oppose revolved battalions rebuilt reluctant endorse blown battalions rebuilt reluctant endorse blown battalions rebuilt reluctant endorse blown battalions rebuilt minds experiments reluctant endorse blown appears clarifying executed brows shaking proffer minds experiments appears clarifying executed brows shaking proffer minds experiments cramp appears clarifying executed brows shaking proffer minds experiments cramp appears clarifying executed brows shaking proffer hung brittle oversized cramp hung brittle oversized cramp hung brittle oversized hung brittle oversized hadn't hadn't hadn't hadn't occurred humans hated win occurred humans hated win occurred humans hated win occurred humans hated win repents returns repents returns repents returns smiling repents returns smiling smiling smiling died returned cured lameness died returned cured lameness died returned cured lameness died returned cured lameness played managed played managed played managed played managed voluminous voluminous voluminous voluminous subsequent dining subsequent dining subsequent dining subsequent dining succession carried succession carried succession carried succession carried expecting eyes expecting eyes expecting eyes expecting eyes non blackberrying armed inequality non blackberrying armed inequality non blackberrying armed inequality non blackberrying armed inequality significantly everybody significantly everybody significantly everybody significantly operated everybody operated operated operated sounds sounds sounds stock sounds stock stock stock wildly cum leak wildly cum leak pleads discourse wildly cum leak pleads discourse wildly cum leak pleads discourse pleads discourse laid laid myself laid myself laid myself myself guests seminar guests seminar summed started guests seminar summed started guests seminar autumns lifted summed started dimensionally drone nearest autumns lifted summed started dimensionally drone nearest glance autumns lifted dimensionally drone nearest glance autumns lifted dimensionally drone nearest glance glance cloistered concealed prying neighbors mixed gentlemanly recreation cloistered concealed prying neighbors mixed gentlemanly recreation cloistered concealed prying neighbors mixed gentlemanly recreation cloistered concealed prying neighbors mixed gentlemanly recreation devil military divinity devil military divinity devil military frenzy divinity devil military idealistic committed democrats toss frenzy offered nonetheless lacked instinctive divinity idealistic committed democrats toss frenzy offered nonetheless lacked instinctive idealistic committed democrats toss frenzy offered nonetheless lacked instinctive idealistic committed democrats toss offered nonetheless lacked instinctive asked asked asked asked rudimentary rudimentary politician reminded rudimentary politician reminded rudimentary politician reminded politician reminded hedge hedge baptizing hedge baptizing hedge reckoned simply baptizing reckoned simply baptizing reckoned simply reckoned simply coupled behavior restrained brooked kissing staring coupled behavior restrained brooked kissing staring coupled behavior restrained brooked kissing staring coupled behavior restrained brooked kissing staring quickens warmly quickens warmly raised soldiers hypocrisy slicker quickens warmly primary operational reaggregate raised soldiers hypocrisy slicker quickens warmly primary operational reaggregate raised soldiers hypocrisy slicker primary operational reaggregate raised soldiers hypocrisy slicker primary operational reaggregate timely soldiers ensuring timely soldiers ensuring timely soldiers ensuring timely soldiers ensuring made reassured made reassured made reassured trying life'll made reassured trying life'll sulked cannot trying life'll sulked cannot trying life'll pulled jerked spraying cum globs sulked cannot pulled jerked spraying cum globs sulked cannot going basins pulled jerked spraying cum globs going basins pulled jerked spraying cum globs passed clearing steers grazing going basins passed clearing steers grazing going basins passed clearing steers grazing passed clearing steers grazing owing owing whispered owing whispered owing participation unfulfilled whispered towns girls made likes participation unfulfilled whispered towns girls made likes participation unfulfilled hitch-hike towns girls made likes participation unfulfilled soothing hitch-hike towns girls made likes soothing hitch-hike soothing hitch-hike soothing dick fucking dick fucking dick fucking dick fucking unarmed combat unarmed combat unarmed combat unarmed combat hanging handled hanging handled hanging handled hanging industrial provisions cooked blankets handled industrial provisions cooked blankets industrial provisions cooked blankets industrial provisions cooked blankets cried bearers roulette-salons co cried bearers roulette-salons stripped co cried bearers roulette-salons stripped co cried bearers roulette-salons cursed viciously wedged dragging stripped co cursed viciously wedged dragging talking? stripped composed cursed viciously wedged dragging talking? decided composed cursed viciously wedged dragging talking? decided composed talking? decided composed decided driven destructive bidding driven destructive bidding celebrating elder day drew driven destructive bidding celebrating elder day drew driven destructive bidding celebrating elder day drew celebrating elder day drew blended blazed cardinal blended blazed cardinal blended blazed cardinal blended blazed cardinal perspectives interests reasons worrying earlobe damned perspectives interests reasons glint tableware worrying earlobe damned perspectives interests reasons glint tableware worrying earlobe damned perspectives interests reasons glint tableware worrying earlobe damned easily gracefully winsome glint tableware easily gracefully winsome easily gracefully winsome easily gracefully winsome herein herein herein tucked blaster herein tucked blaster returned ostensibly succulent tucked blaster returned ostensibly succulent tucked blaster looking familiar separated returned ostensibly succulent accomplished looking familiar separated returned ostensibly succulent ourselves paying accomplished looking familiar separated concealed undergrowth entered ourselves paying accomplished weaver saved arrived looking familiar separated concealed undergrowth entered ourselves paying accomplished weaver saved arrived concealed undergrowth entered ourselves paying weaver saved arrived categories concealed undergrowth entered weaver saved arrived categories non- commissioned passed driving cows mooed scatted categories non-commissioned passed driving cows mooed scatted categories returning entering increasing non-commissioned passed driving cows mooed scatted returning entering increasing non- commissioned passed driving cows mooed scatted returning entering increasing murmured wrapped thoughts returning entering increasing murmured wrapped thoughts intervening murmured wrapped thoughts forking father dollars paying appetizers damned intervening murmured wrapped thoughts newspapers cities forking father dollars balls jumping accepted municipal paying appetizers damned intervening newspapers cities forking father dollars remarkable balls jumping accepted municipal paying appetizers damned intervening newspapers cities forking father dollars remarkable balls jumping accepted municipal paying appetizers damned newspapers cities remarkable balls jumping accepted municipal remarkable decided differences decided differences clasped extracted decided differences decided differences clasped extracted decided differences decided differences clasped extracted decided differences clasped extracted union decided differences union remembered produced union remembered produced union remembered produced remembered produced intimidation intimidation notions linkages intimidation guys waving notions linkages intimidation known guys waving notions linkages deserted known guys waving notions linkages deserted known guys waving deserted known deserted chump dopey kid chump dopey kid chump dopey kid manners chump dopey kid manners extracted francs staked won manners extracted francs staked won manners extracted francs staked won extracted francs staked won dining stopped dining stopped signposts dining stopped signposts dining stopped signposts asked forcing signposts asked forcing asked forcing asked forcing cert looks cert looks refused curt cert looks refused curt cert looks refused curt refused curt ago nursemaid ago nursemaid ago nursemaid administrations independence lived organised ago nursemaid administrations independence lived organised reflection desirability keeping administrations independence lived organised reflection desirability keeping administrations independence lived organised reflection desirability keeping reflection desirability keeping fingertips fingertips fingertips fingertips isolated isolated isolated extremists increasingly attractive isolated extremists increasingly attractive extremists increasingly attractive ago extremists increasingly attractive ago ago ago seems accordance seems accordance seems accordance seems accordance told encounters told encounters campaign minority defeated told encounters campaign minority defeated told encounters campaign minority defeated campaign minority defeated ladies ladies ladies ladies believed expiating sins committed believed expiating sins committed believed expiating sins committed camouflaged believed expiating sins committed camouflaged tongues dancing camouflaged tongues dancing relinquishing shook wiping camouflaged tongues dancing actions relinquishing shook wiping tongues dancing actions relinquishing shook wiping actions relinquishing shook wiping actions grinding moaning neared brink grinding moaning neared brink grinding moaning neared brink grinding moaning neared brink disturbing disturbing assumed disturbing fuck fuck cum assumed handsomely decorated disturbing fuck fuck cum assumed handsomely decorated fuck fuck cum assumed handsomely decorated fuck fuck cum handsomely decorated multi multi hysterically reader-echoed multi hysterically reader-echoed multi arms tingling hysterically reader-echoed speaking arms tingling hysterically reader- echoed speaking arms tingling speaking arms tingling occurred speaking occurred occurred occurred foster reconciliation overcome ethnic foster reconciliation overcome ethnic foster reconciliation overcome ethnic foster reconciliation overcome ethnic elements flown helicopter killing started elements flown helicopter killing started exclusive elements flown helicopter killing started coupled increasing complexity operations caused exclusive elements flown helicopter killing started laughing talking coupled increasing complexity operations caused exclusive laughing talking coupled increasing complexity operations caused exclusive laughing talking coupled increasing complexity operations caused laughing talking ordnance types fussed ordnance types fussed ordnance types fussed ordnance types fussed told fifth dumped told fifth dumped told fifth dumped told fifth dumped continued nibbling licking sucking continued nibbling licking sucking continued nibbling licking sucking retained operational arts continued nibbling licking sucking retained operational arts retained operational arts retained operational arts signed entering caused pitched signed entering caused pitched signed human coldest entering caused pitched signed human coldest entering 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:56:57 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: Brakhage In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > His talks then reminded me of Cecil Taylor's lectures in Madison: so > full of basic personal insights into the direct material nature of > the work, beautifully phrased in incredibly idiosyncratic ways to > which many people in a classroom situation didn't know how to respond. > geez Herb, were you in Taylor's class when he locked everyone in the room & called them honkies? or is that just another urban legend from the land of tall tales? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:21:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Al-Ghazali, commentary on Internet Text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Al-Ghazali, commentary on Internet Text: a book of scribbles, nonsense, a book which shifts out from under you - a contrary or wayward book, self-contrary, asking nothing - a book to be read in any position, in any state of mind - a book of meaningless revelations - a book to be pronounced or mispronounced any way you like - a book to be read once or thousands of times, or not to be read at all - a book of any emotional states of writers and readers - a book to be handled with purity or impurity, scarcity or excess - a book read in murmuring, silence, politely, a book to be read out loud - a book to be read quickly, almost in a blur or slowly at a standstill - a book without supplication, an orderly or disorderly book - a book without obeisance or honor, a dishonorable book - a book any way one wants it, an irritable confusing book - a book you can put down at any time or read through all at once - a book whose length grows, a mumbled indistinct book - a book of many colors and images, a perverse and impolitic book - a vowelless and unreadable book - an illegible book, without punctuation - an archaic book from the future, an anachronistic book from the past - a book of run-on sentences, words, and chapters, dissembling, unclear - a book of diminished speech, of intensities and dissolutions - a wavering and belittled book, a wavered and belittling book - a book neither here nor there, neither this nor that - a book to be dismissed, a book displaced by wandering souls - a misinterpreted book, a book without interpretation - a book without conceivable interpretation, a mute and blurred book - an opaque book, a book with obstacles, a book of obstacles - a book of generalities, an insipid and tepid book - an unfeeling and austere book, a book without emotional response - a book of babbling and indecipherable voices - an unsatisfying and incomplete book, a book impossible to grasp - === ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:58:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: RISD SPRING POETRY 2: KENT JOHNSON Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Kent Johnson will be reading at Rhode Island School of Design's Carr Haus (at the corner of Waterman and Benefit Streets in Providence) at 7pm on Thursday March 13th. All welcome. Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 (401) 454.6268 (w) mbyrne@risd.edu www.wildhoneypress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:28:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: FWD: march 16th reading for nocturnes review -- in oakland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit nocturnes (re)view of the literary arts celebrates ?Spirit? Where: Diesel, A Bookstore 5466 College Ave., Oakland (2 blocks south of Rockridge BART) Date: Sunday, March 16, 2003 Time: 2-5pm Featured readings by: Amarnath Ravva Patricia Y. Ikeda Elizabeth Treadwell Opal Palmer Adisa Al Young Tiffany Higgins Summi Kaipa Dodie Bellamy Aja Couchois Duncan Irene Barnard devorah major Brenda Hillman Khan Wong Elizabeth Robinson nocturnes (re)view of the literary arts is an annual publication dedicated to innovative critical and creative literary art from throughout the African Diaspora and other contested spaces. To order, go to www.spdbooks.org or call Small Press Distribution at (510)524.1668. editor: giovanni singleton advisors: Arnold J. Kemp, Douglas ?D Scot? Miller, opalmoore, Harryette Mullen, Armarnath Ravva, Julie Ezelle Patton, and Lorenzo Thomas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:42:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Isat@AOL.COM Subject: RUSSIAN-AMERICAN POETRY SERIES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit RUSSIAN-AMERICAN POETRY SERIES Wednesday, March 12th 2003 6pm - 8pm Cornelia Street Cafe, NYC A bilingial evening of Russian/American poetry with Koja Press showcases its recent publications: the second issue of litzine Magazinnik, vy da vy newspaper, 5 Underworld 6 by William James Austin, and a self-titled new book by Igor Satanovsky. Features readings/performances by Koja Press' present and future authors: William James Austin, Leonid Drozner, Alex Galper, Bill Keith, Richard Kostelanetz, Mikhail Magazinnik, Igor Satanovsky and vy da vy syndicate. Hosted by Andrey Gritsman. Program Curator : Angelo Verga 29 Cornelia Street $6 cover gets you a free drink Subway: A,C,E,F to W. 4th, 1/9 to Christopher St. www.corneliastreetcafe.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: searing coverage from the blog more people turn to Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Poems of animals and butts, "The Pillar" and knitting: a night with Gabe Gudding and Mairead Byrne with pentrating, revealing audblogs Cheetos and why they're Fucking dangerous The President and Mintodent How Britney Spears could stop the War http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:15:36 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: RESIST INTERVENTION In-Reply-To: <31D1DACF.57020144.00003139@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (SUBSTITUTE YOUR OWN NAME & LOCATION & SEND THIS IMMEDIATELY TO THE=20 ADDRESSES BELOW) TO: mexico@un.int,Angola@un.int,Chile@un.int,Pakistan@un.int,Guinea@un.int,C ameroon@un.int Dear Ambassador, As the representative of a nation sitting on the UN Security Council,=A0 you are charged with the critical task of defending the provisions of=A0 the UN Charter relating to international peace and security. I believe=A0 that a peaceful solution to the current Iraq crisis is possible, and=A0 believe that that position is supported by the vast majority of the=A0 citizens of all UN member nations. I respectfully request that you=A0 support the French/German/Russian initiative for continuing the weapons=A0= inspections in Iraq, and elimination of illegal weapons through=A0 peaceful means. A 'pre-emptive' war with the goal of 'regime change' as proposed by the=A0= US/UK axis is contrary to both the letter and spirit of the UN Charter=A0 and international law. I respectfully request you to continue to resist=A0= the US and its allies' attempts to bully the world into an illegal war=A0 it does not want, and to seek the peaceful elimination of Iraq's=A0 weapons of mass destruction, as well as those of all other countries in=A0= the Middle East, those of the Permanent Members of the Security Council=A0= and all the nations of the world. Respectfully Submitted, mIEKAL aND Dreamtime Village WISCONSIN usa USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:36:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Never said that. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Let cheering be the refusing Beginning sit louder after I place Her seat was the preferred bread What such a love that Italian had for me Did discuss father's and another Description deny dancing distinct she there Needing time, Fried Cement Anything lingering more afternoon sings better Splendid coal bribed with fruit Little things biting did above all toys seat intuition Dearest, the exclaiming credit still and these rubber lengths higher Eaten abuse of merriment likely when pressured Children describing convicts there pieces conclude Smiling precedes opening and lighting material there To the asking happening stays half the whole merriment Lengths choose to leave there pieces every afternoon Excess is colored green though shows better red Choose your hearing, Hearer, convicted of a little soiling Choosing still concludes and all places whole red well fire Sing those who wholly abuse afternoons and stay May noise _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:09:03 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--scripophily MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT scripophily (skri-POF-uh-lee) noun The hobby of collecting historic stock and bond certificates. Also, such a collection. [From scrip, short for subscription + -philly (love).] "A sought-after category right now is Confederate bonds, many of which were sold in Britain. Keith Hollender, a London-based scripophily specialist with Herzog Hollender Phillips & Co., said British clothing makers purchased them because they needed the American South's cotton." Judith Rehak; Collectors Seek Out Old ­ and Scandalous ­ Paper; International Herald Tribune (France), Jul 8, 2000. "Check the library for reference books on collecting stocks and bonds, a hobby known as scripophily, or get an appraisal from antiques dealers." Sheryl Harris; Checking for Any Value in Old Stock Certificate; The Plain Dealer (Cleveland, Ohio; Jan 2, 2002. We all have collected stamps or something else as children. There are collectors for almost everything under the sun as a quick peek at eBay would show. And there are words for these hobbies of collecting and studying things: coins (numismatics), autographs (philography), matchbox covers (phillumeny), you name it. This week we'll collect some of the words to describe these pursuits. Do you have a hobby of collecting something unusual? -Anu anu@wordsmith.org Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND Reviews call The Bone Weaver a "captivating and profound novel" and a top book club selection. At stores, bn.com, amazon.com. Visit http://theboneweaver.com ............................................................................ A scholar knows no boredom. -Jean Paul Richter, writer (1763-1825) Send your comments to anu@wordsmith.org. To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with "Subject:" line as "subscribe " or "unsubscribe". Archives, FAQ, gift subscription form, bulletin board, and more at http://wordsmith.org/awad/ Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/scripophily.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/scripophily.ram ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:20:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Ice Period in Americ P n Amer riod in Am ca rica In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ice Period in Americ P n Amer riod in Am ca rica Notwithst numb ng the number of facts thus far collected respect llected respecting glacial phen nbroken expanse of level land. This backwardness is, no do nding the number of f r of facts thus far coll ng glac mena in America, certainly f bt, partly d cts thus f ct al phenomena rming in their c e to the fact, that, as glaciers have hitherto been st r collected respecting gl d r n Amer mbinati died in mo ci sp ca, certa n a very str ntaino l phenomen cting glacial ph nly form ng chain s co in Americ nom ng f evidence, the scientific w ntries, their presence has been s , cert na in Am n the rld has, nevertheless, been sl pposed to imply the presence of mo inly forming in their combin rica, c r comb w t ntains, this impression being strengthened by the downward and onward movement of existing glaciers, so long s tion rtainly forming in th nat admit the p pposed to be excl very strong ch ir combination a v on a very strong cha ssibility sively d in of evidence, the scientific world h ry strong chain of n of ev f the f e to the slopes along which all modern glaciers advance. s, nevertheless, been slow to vid dence, the sc rmer existence dmit the possibility of the former existence of gl nc ent f glaciers ciers over such , th f ver such a wide, unbr wide, unbroken exp sci c world has, nevertheless, been slow to adm ken expanse nse of level l ntific world has, n t the poss f level land. This backwardness is, n nd. This b v b d ckw rth l ubt, partly due t rdness is, no doubt, p l ty of the former ex the fact, that, as glaciers have hithert rtly due to the f ss, b stence of glac been studied in m ct, th ers over such a w untain t, n slow to admit th de, unbroken expanse of level land. Th us c s gl possibility of th s backwardness untries, their presence has been supp ciers h form s, no doubt, partly due to the fact, that, as glac sed t ve hitherto been studied in mount r ers have h imply the presence inous countries, their presence h xist therto been stud f m s been supposed to imply the presence of mount nc ed untains, this impressi ins, this impression being strengthened by the downw of glaci n mounta n being strengthened by the d rd rs ov nous countr wnward and nd onw r such a wid es, the nward m rd movement of existing gl , unbrok r presence has been supposed to vement ciers, so long supposed to be exclusively due to the slopes n mply the presence of mounta f existing glaciers, s long which xpans ns, th l ll modern gl of l s ng supp ciers v mpress sed t dv l land. This backwardn on be be exclusively due t nce. ss is, no doubt, partly du ng strengthened by the downward and onward movement of ex the sl to th st pes al fact, that, as glaci ng glac ng which all m rs hav ers, so long supposed to be exclus dern glaciers advance. hith vely due to the slopes along wh rto b ch all modern glac ers advance. n studi d in mountainous countri s, th ir pr s nc has b n suppos d to imply th pr s nc of mountains, this impr ssion b ing str ngth n d by th downward and onward mov m nt of xisting glaci rs, so long suppos d to b xclusiv ly du to th slop s along which all mod rn glaci rs advanc . -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:27:02 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: errata slips MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Good afternoon from St. John's, I have been charged with making up the errata slips for a 340 page anthology. There are three errors of varying degrees of seriousness and about 200 have already gone out to contributors and funders. Luckily, none have gone to reviewers yet (my next task). I have never done this before. Any help would be appreciated. There are two people on this list in the anthology. Thanks, Kevin Research Assistant to the Stars -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld:The Axis Of Weasel ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:33:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Ah, Chemical Fog, What? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed what arm for artifact and cone fire free xerox indicative of rest with shouting sound alphabet throughout tilt rejoinders eyed bottom-blank sculpted initials shoulder prestige (pyrrhic here) it’s wax flame, Mr. Hole, not half air, you of indented meadows afterlight’s completely clay, drylight's a lip-synch toward a roving performance (that turnstile called Gulp Thing) your winding-sheet clothes control an unnaming substitution bough your commerce armed with water straight whacked assumed shadows Amen, Pawprint, you pale Catallus! Mr. Hole, lifelike, opens the motto ~~ "Breadcrumbs Out To Sea" ~~ similar to what Virginia states across Almighty Sleptwrong Finger: "and i have nothing new in my work or my home or even my hair ahhaha am doing nothing in this world but watching every move and every breath around me ....... that's all what i do .... don't u like to be like me??? haha who want that!!! haha i guess no one ....." to which I reply, "walk & forego dispersal" _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:41:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: searing coverage from the blog more people turn to In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" there was no knitting. there was cross-stitching. please, that 's like mixing up robert lowell and robert kelly; each is beautiful in his own way, but v different ... la la la At 12:53 PM -0500 3/11/03, Jim Behrle wrote: >Poems of animals and butts, "The Pillar" and knitting: a night with Gabe >Gudding and Mairead Byrne with pentrating, revealing audblogs > >Cheetos and why they're Fucking dangerous > >The President and Mintodent > >How Britney Spears could stop the War > >http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:02:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Heritage and New American Century Seek to Dispel Sharon Rumor Comments: cc: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable (Gothic News Service, 3/11/03) Heritage and New American Century Seek to Dispel Sharon Rumor The Heritage Foundation and the group called Project for the New American Century (PNAC) sought to dispel rumors of plans for a joint spring symposiu= m under the auspices of MilleniumMoveOn, a new joint umbrella organization. According to rumors, Ariel Sharon and a group of associates have been invited to address two subjects: "Preemptive Assassinations: Furthering the Foundations of Civilization" and "Wall Materials and Strategies for Protecting and Serving Indigenous Populations." The two non-profit Foundations - both of which are considered major Think Tanks and essential contributors to the development of Bush Administration global policies - are said known to be developing white papers on new administrative controls for Iraq once the planned war has achieved its immediate military aims. Expertise in "Preemptive Assassinations" is considered essential to eliminating the leadership of any internal Iraqi or outside groups that may aggressively challenge or terrorize the military and political authority of a United States led Occupation. Ariel Sharon=B9s example in dealing with the Hamas and other groups in the West Bank and Gaza has apparently been accepted by the Bush Administration and is being considered as an efficient way - when required - to deal with both armed and unarmed civilian opposition groups. The interest in Israel=B9s wall building materials and strategies is also see= n as potentially essential in controlling potential conflicts between conflicting national and religious groups =AD whether Kurdish, Sunni, or Shi=B9= a Muslim. In the case of a Balkanized Iraq, it will be considered essential that the boundaries be under United States military control. It=B9s rumored that portable, sustainable walls are in development that can extend for hundreds of miles and be well used as population containers. The walls may also be built to contain complete surveillance and weapon needs. Their smooth Teflon surface is impossible for civilians to slip over and is considered grafitti resistant. Wall panels may also be conveniently unlocke= d to permit the passage of military and/or equipment for maintaining food delivery and oil operations. "This is one more flagrant example," complained officials from both Foundations, "of the American and European left using Israel=B9s democratic leadership and totally false - and what some may interpret as anti-Semitic rumors - to undercut the legitimate democratization objectives of Presiden= t Bush. The world is going to deeply surprised by how well we are received by Iraqis who are innocent of the Saddam regime." Neither the White House nor the Israeli Consultate could not be reached fo= r comments on what are still considered rumors. The Internet has no current web site listiing for MilleniumMoveOn and there is no indication of a publi= c mission statement for the organization. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:59:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: An Early Letter to General Tommy Franks Comments: To: Nicole Peyrafitte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following open letter just came in from my friend Saadi Yousef, the=20= Iraqi poet living in exile in London. Though we are still all trying to=20= stop the war from happening, it may be necessary to start directing our=20= attention and energy towards the aftermath of the now more than=20 probable invasion. Clearly the shape of a "Saddam-free" Iraq will not=20 be that of a free Iraq, and the Bush government is doing its best to=20 insure that the future of Iraq will be as disastrous as its present. --=20= Pierre Joris An Early Letter to General Tommy Franks Saadi Yousef (Poet from Mesopotamia) Sir, General First, I want to say, in all honesty, that I am following what is=20 permitted on the T.V about your news: About your close ranked soldiers,=20= with your family, with your president, etc =85And that when I observe=20 History =96 in a differential way- I feel that I would like to be like=20= one of my ancestors who saved a city from being razed by Tamerlane in=20 Syria. You will enter, Sir, General, Baghdad, like all who entered, before=20 you: A conqueror=85 But you know, yourself, due to the fact that you were a conquered=20 nation once, that nations are unconquerable. Rulers can be defeated. And our ruler will be defeated first. I am=20 happy about that, because this imbecile denied me the air of my country=20= for more than thirty years. You do not like Julius Caesar: You say, he was a general, but such long=20= speeches! - So he was killed! I, the poet, will be short instead. You will enter Baghdad, Sir, General; can I relay to you what Omar (The=20= second Caliph after Mohammed) advised his general who was heading for=20 Iraq? Don=92t cut down a tree, he said. But today things are taking a different turn; it is said that you want=20= to cut the return route of Iraqis going back to their country. Rumor=20 has it that a list of 2000 Iraqi opponents, prepared by your Iraqi=20 agents, prohibits these Iraqis from going back to their homeland, under=20= the pretext of easing your occupation. In so far as this concerns me, I can=92t deny this rumor in a soft way. "Al- Mutamar" (An Arabic weekly, financed by the American taxpayer, and=20= based in London) has recently published a letter saying that I, the=20 poet, Saadi Yousef, must be denied the right of return to Iraq, after=20 its (liberation). I am asking you And Jonny Abu-Zaid, our in-coming Governor General To elaborate on Human Rights under the conditions of imminent occupation. London 01.03. 03 ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a = crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere = Else. c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 = -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:15:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Fletcher Lauer Subject: A New Journal of Poetry in Translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call for submissions and subscriptions: CIRCUMFERENCE, a new journal of poetry in translation. CIRCUMFERENCE is devoted to presenting translations of new work being written around the globe, new visions of classical poems, and translations of foreign language poets of the past who have fallen under the radar of American readers. We are especially excited to show translation as the vibrant, necessary interaction that it is. A biannual publication, CIRCUMFERENCE will print all poems in the original language side-by-side with their English translations. The inaugural issue will be on newsstands in Autumn 2003. Through May 1, we will be accepting submissions for the inaugural issue. Please send five or six translated poems along with the originals and a self-addressed, stamped envelope to: CIRCUMFERENCE P.O. Box 27 New York, NY 10159-0027 To subscribe to CIRCUMFERENCE, or to find out more information about the journal, please visit www.circumferencemag.com. Email queries to: editors@circumferencemag.com. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:45:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: "Ode to Go" (forwarded) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all! I am posting this to the list for my friend Matvei = Yankelevich. Hope it's of interest! Please don not respond to me = regarding this message, but to the email addresses mentioned = therein.--PN _____________________ Hello small pressers and zinesters, we need your info for Ode to Go.... With a little help from the Brooklyn Arts Council, we're launching Ode = to Go, a public poetry project which is simultaneously a publicity = resource for NYC small presses, journals, reading series, independent = bookstores, and alternative literature in general.=20 The first project is Brooklyn oriented: During Nat'l Poetry Month, = 10,000 poetry coffee cups will descend upon the burrough of Brooklyn, = channeled through bookstore cafes, espresso bars, and little silver = morning kiosks. These cups will have printed on them: 2 poems by 2 Brooklyn poets, and = a web address: odetogo.com. The curious coffee drinker will go to the = site and find a wealth of alternatives to Barnes & Noble and Penguin = Paperbacks (nothing personal) and -- furthermore -- right here in their = hometown of Brooklyn.=20 The website (odetogo.com) is almost finished -- take a peak! All that's = left is the content... We are looking to list all the small presses and = mags in the 5 burroughs that we can find, so send us your info right = away, and pass this on to others in our small world. Of course, this is a grass roots effort and we are hoping for a sign of = your support. We understand that small presses can't give much in the = way of money. All we're asking is a nominal contribution. 5 to 25 bucks = for the little guys, 50 for the medium people, and 100 or more for the = biggest of us small fish... sound fair? Just estimate the category you = fall into.=20 We're hoping that with a few donations from our peers in the literary = world, we can make lots more cups, distributed to all the burroughs, and = more public poetry projects that will make you and your hard working = press or mag more visible to your neighbors, who may at times raise = their eyebrows at the boxes of magazines or stapled chapbooks you carry = up to your apartment. Those of you who wish to cooperate with this project should also know = that we have a features section, where we will gladly post links to = reviews of your books, release dates of your mags, special mentions in = the press, and the rest of that kind of news.=20 We hope you'll join us. At the very least please send us your press or = mag's name, address, and phone (or email), so that we can put you on the = map. Send your info, or any questions to: info@odetogo.com THANKS EVERYBODY... Happy Small Press Month to you all. Matvei Yankelevich. Anna Moschovakis. PS -- If you've decided to make a donation, let us in on it so we can = print more cups. (yan@pobox.com or info@odetogo.com). You can make a = check out to Ode to Go, but first check out the site to see how it all = works for you and read our mission for more detailed descriptions. It's = not-for-profit, so you can be sure the money will go to printing costs = and nothing else. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:03:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: "Ode to Go" (forwarded) In-Reply-To: <10F2B8E6B6C9AC4993FC1FB47C0D88CC601EE2@karat.kandasoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>>The website (odetogo.com) is almost finished -- take a peak! All that's left is the content... We are looking to list all the small presses and mags in the 5 burroughs that we can find, so send us your info right away, and pass this on to others in our small world.<<< I was only ever able to find the one Burroughs, but I would be happy to take Mount Fuji if someone hasn't already claimed it. Gwyn McVay, Cranky Editor of Doom --- Our battle with the book is our Buddhist battle. -- Robin Blaser ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:19:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: "Ode to Go" (forwarded) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed That's chocolate Fuji, I presume, altho the kinds with nuts (there are usually nuts around) would also be ok. Mark At 05:03 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >>>The website (odetogo.com) is almost finished -- take a peak! All >that's left is the content... We are looking to list all the small presses >and mags in the 5 burroughs that we can find, so send us your info right >away, and pass this on to others in our small world.<<< > >I was only ever able to find the one Burroughs, but I would be happy to >take Mount Fuji if someone hasn't already claimed it. > >Gwyn McVay, Cranky Editor of Doom > >--- >Our battle with the book is our Buddhist battle. -- Robin Blaser ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:56:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alex Young Subject: french fried facism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought this was a parody but it apparently isn't http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory2&cid=3D536&ncid=3D536&e=3D7= &u=3D/ap/20030311/ap_on_go_co/freedom_fries_2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:00:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: NYC flat for the fall Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerry Rothenberg asked me to forward this to the list: =A0 For friends in New York: We're now starting to make plans for being in New York this autumn -- two to three months from sometime in September to possibly the beginning of December. To do this and to function normally (more or less) we'll need to rent or borrow an apartment or loft, with a preference for being in Manhattan, where we can easily walk our way from place to place. If you know of anything or have any leads to apartments that are open or people who might be away, please pass them along to us & we can follow up from there. We're also going to be in New York from April 5th to 15th, mostly to participate in People's Poetry Gathering, but housing for that is pretty much taken care of. Hoping to see you then but certainly in the Fall, with warm best wishes / love / etc. JERRY and DIANE =A0 Jerome Rothenberg=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Poetry = fetter'd, fetters the human race 1026 San Abella=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --=A0 W. = Blake Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923 jrothenberg@cox.net http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a = crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere = Else. c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 = -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:15:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: Re: french fried facism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dumbest thing I've ever heard. To the French "French fries" (frites) are = a Belgian invention. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 18:51:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Daisy Fried From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Daisy's poetry event, Fri. March 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for the mass mailing, but I wanted to let you know about an event: The literary journal Many Mountains Moving is hosting an event at Robin's Bookstore, including readers by contributors poet DAISY FRIED, author of She Didn't Mean to Do It (Univ. of Pittsburgh Press) novelist ELYSE SINGLETON, author of This Side of the Sky (Penguin Putnam) translator ADAM SORKIN & others Friday March 14, 7PM Robin's Bookstore 108 S. 13th St. Philadelphia, PA 19107 info: 215-735-9600 Many Mountains Moving is a non-profit organization that offers a monthly literary salon, panels, and a nationally distributed literary journal based in Bolder, Colorado. There will be readings from the journal and the editors will be accepting submissions. To find more about Many Mountains Moving, please go to their web-site: http://www.mmminc.org. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:13:05 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE U PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE ACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE SA LIBERTY EQUALITY FREEDOM OF SPEECH CIAFBICIAFBICIAFBIXXXXXXXXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE EACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXXX PEA E PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE AS PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PE PE PE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE XXXX PEACE PE CE PEACE PEACE PEACE PEACE U XXXX RESOLUTIONVETO1RESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTION911X Peace in handcuffs in a shopping mall. JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:31:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The Spoils of War Announced in Advance In-Reply-To: <003901c2e813$5e15b9e0$1301a8c0@netcom> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Heah, these Bush folks are really getting into old fashioned Roman modes - unless we just want to call the invasion of Iraq a sustained drive-by shooting. There but for poetry and neo-regal architecture - indeed there is nothing neither innovative or poetic about the following list - but there is, at least, reading on, the voyeuristic pleasure and spite of reading about the rewards ready the imperiously game: US firms set for postwar contracts Danny Penman and agencies Tuesday March 11, 2003 The American government is on the verge of awarding construction contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild Iraq once Saddam Hussein i= s deposed.=20 Halliburton, one of the companies in the running for the deals, was headed by the US vice-president Dick Cheney between 1995 and 2000. Halliburton has already been awarded a lucrative contract, worth hundreds of millions of dollars, to resurrect the Iraqi oilfields if there is a war. Other companies have strong ties to the US administration, including the construction giant Bechtel, the Fluor Corporation, and the Louis Berger Group, which is presently involved in the reconstruction of Afghanistan. Both Bechtel and the Fluor Corporation undertake construction and project management work for the US government. Only US companies are on the shortlist of five. The US agency for international development (USAID) defended the narrow shortlist. A spokeswoman said: "Because of the urgent circumstances and the unique nature of this work, USAID will undertake a limited selection process that expedites the review and selection of contractors for these projects." The spokeswoman said that it was a policy of USAID to use US companies for projects funded by the American taxpayer. Non-US companies were free, through their governments, to organise their own business, she said. The winning company would get about $900m (=A3563m) to repair Iraqi health services, ports, airports, schools and other educational institutions. Sources at the companies said the invitation was unusual in that USAID did not ask them to set a price for defined services but rather asked them to say what they could do for $900m. However, the winning company could expect to make a profit of about $80m from the deal. All five bidders have submitted their proposals or are preparing to do so after USAID "quietly" sent out a detailed request soliciting proposals from the likely bidders. According to the Wall Street Journal, the Iraq reconstruction plan will require contractors to fulfil various tasks, including reopening at least half of the "economically important roads and bridges" - about 1,500 miles of roadway - within 18 months. The contractors will also be asked to repair 15% of Iraq's high-voltage electricity grid, renovate several thousand schools and deliver 550 emergency generators within two months. Construction industry executives said the handful of firms are competing fiercely in part because they believe it could provide an inside track to postwar business opportunities. The most highly sought-after prizes are oil industry contracts. The US government is believed to be wary of any backlash against an invasio= n and is preparing plans for a "hearts and minds" operation that will swing into place as soon as the country is occupied. The government is mindful of the longterm benefits of feeding hungry Iraqis, delivering clean water, and paying teachers and health workers. "It's a sensitive topic because we still haven't gone to war," one industry executive told the Wall Street Journal. "But these companies are really in = a position to win something out of this geopolitical situation." It remains unclear whether Iraqis, Americans or an international consortium will manage the oil industry during an early post-conflict period. Steven Schooner, a George Washington University law professor, said many billions of dollars are at stake. He estimated that $900m would barely last six months given the scope of the projects the administration has sketched out.=20 "The most sophisticated firms that come in first, and establish good will with the locals obviously will reap huge benefits down the road," said Mr Schooner.=20 "These are going to become brand names in Iraq. That's huge." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:18:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: gabriel's blog -- conchology Comments: cc: pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I started a blog because Jack Kimball was calling me stupid on his blog. Now on Gabe-log: "Dung in An Age of Empire" "Poetry's Kinship with War & Violence" To come: encomia for Bernadette Mayer, Seneca, Crystal Williams, Eileen Myles, Mairead Byrne, Patrick Herron, Terri Ford, Karl Parker, Rachel Loden, Carl Rakosi, Kent Johnson, Henry Dumas, Kass Fleisher, Pierre Joris, & Joe Amato, & Sir Thomas Browne, and Flann O'Brien, not probably in that order. http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:53:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Turneresque by Elizabeth Willis Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I read Elizabeth Willis' new book, Turneresque, this afternoon...wow! I'm assuming the title refers to both Joseph Mallord William Turner and Ted Turner, which is great, as we get the sort of classic "art" and the pop-culture--but no less "art"--in one. The first section of the book is called Modern Painters and has poems which reference or were inspired by the more classic side of things: 18th-century French artist Jean-Siméon Chardin and late 19th-century Scottish artist Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Baudelaire, Rimbaud etc. (Oh, and speaking of Rimbaud, he offers the only blurb for the book: "The world marches on! Why shouldn't it turn around?") Satisfyingly, the poems work regardless of anyone's familiarity w/ whomever she's writing into. There's a section called Sonnet, which is a 14 page poem, each page functioning like a line in a sonnet. The 3rd section is called Turneresque, and features prose poems which deal w/ diff. colorized films( I think they're mostly films, some might be TV shows...if this were anything but a post to a listserv I guess I'd try and find out). The 4th section is a group of lyric poems (well, so's the whole book in a sense) and the 5th section is the amazing poem "Drive" which was in the last issue of Hambone. anyway, it's a really beautiful book, designed by Jeff Clark (under another of his man-of-mystery pseudonyms). It's $10 from Burning Deck: www.burningdeck.com ----Noah ps: here is a poem I wrote today after reading the book The Untragic Hero of Epic Theater for Elizabeth Willis Between ownership & the will to call the wolves in a child dropping an ant in oil unfastens the blanched afternoon Nothing changed on the road made for mules, but then no one noticed when the gray century was colorized by whispers of a secret war that happens in fashions Would you object to the shadow a helmet casts over the need for intrigue & sleep to the way the lights were dimmed relaxing the audience The subtlest lion makes the loudest flower & I’ve killed countless insects planning a garden from my seat 3/11/03 ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:02:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Spring Training Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rothenberg to Baghdada U Saadi Yousef to SUNNI Albany Pierre Joris to Dumbo Loft Tommy Franks to Ca. (Caesar) Arts.. Straight Up... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:03:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Recently on the B-spot Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Fun with Poets For the War Some good new Names for bars and Bands a Men's Room What If new B sides http://kickthepodium.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 18:16:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: Re: french fried facism In-Reply-To: <003401c2e821$6b1e2e20$90d127a0@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I suppose that win we crush those dirty iraqis we'll all give our lovers big freedom kisses. And tie our hair up in freedom twists, redesign our houses and apartments with shiny new freedom casements, set sail with a new found skill at twirling a freedom fake, plant freedom cowslips in our victory gardens, and belt out the star-spangled banner on shiny freedom horns. On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Alex Young wrote: > I thought this was a parody but it apparently isn't > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=536&ncid=536&e=7&u=/ > ap/20030311/ap_on_go_co/freedom_fries_2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:01:02 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Luoma Subject: new front MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A new front end to the peace server is up at: http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu/~luoma/Lizardo.html it lets you control what web pages to start the search with. this other url will spare you from having to type: http://jefferson.village.virginia.edu:8993/index.html best, Bill Luoma ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:31:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: french fried facism In-Reply-To: <660FDD3D-1DD4-11B2-89F0-000393CE1304@reinventnow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As I pointed out the other day, "France" has renamed itself Freedom. Bush & hawks are sent running again... Alan On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, Tracy S. Ruggles wrote: > I suppose that win we crush those dirty iraqis we'll all give our > lovers big freedom kisses. And tie our hair up in freedom twists, > redesign our houses and apartments with shiny new freedom casements, > set sail with a new found skill at twirling a freedom fake, plant > freedom cowslips in our victory gardens, and belt out the star-spangled > banner on shiny freedom horns. > > On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:56 PM, Alex Young wrote: > > > I thought this was a parody but it apparently isn't > > > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=536&ncid=536&e=7&u=/ > > ap/20030311/ap_on_go_co/freedom_fries_2 > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt older http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_txt.html Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:32:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: My Archive Activity in Case of War Storage on the Run MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My Archive Activity in Case of War Storage on the Run 1 cd web 2 ls 3 cd /web 4 lscd / 5 cd / 6 cd web 7 ls 8 cd 9 ls 10 exit 11 ls 12 cd / 13 cd web 14 cd 15 cd web 16 ls 17 cd 18 cd ../../web 19 ls 20 pico index.html 21 ftp panix.com 22 chmod 644 mq 23 ls 24 cd 25 pine 26 ls 27 rm dead.letter 28 ls 29 cd /usr 30 ls 31 cd games 32 ls 33 cd .. 34 cd .. 35 ls 36 cd usr 37 ls 38 cd .. 39 cd home 40 ls 41 cd .. 42 cd 43 ls 44 exit 45 cd ../../web 46 ls 47 mkdir portal 48 bye 49 exit 50 cd ../../web 51 wc * 52 cd portal 53 wc * 54 ls 55 mv LIFE.MOV life.mov 56 bye 57 exit 58 cd ../../ 59 cd portal 60 cd web 61 cd portal 62 ls > zz 63 ftp panix.com 64 exit 65 cd ../../web 66 cd portal 67 df 68 du 69 ls 70 wc * 71 ls 72 cd .. 73 du 74 wc * 75 exit 76 cd ../../web 77 du 78 cd portal 79 ls > zz 80 pico zz 81 rm zz; ls *.mov 82 exit 83 cd ../../web/portal 84 ls 85 ls > yy 86 pico yy 87 ftp panix.com 88 exit 89 cd ../../web/portal 90 ftp panix.com 91 ispell README.txt 92 pico README.txt 93 ls 94 rm yy 95 mv README.txt 0README.TXT 96 mv README.txt 0README.TXT 97 ls 98 mv 0README.txt 0.README.txt 99 ls 100 wc *.TXT 101 mv 0README.TXT 0.README.txt 102 less 0.README.txt 103 ls 104 ls * > zz 105 ftp panix.com 106 ls 107 rm zz 108 cd .. 109 du 110 exit 111 cd ../../web/portal 112 ls 113 ls *.mov 114 pico 0.README.txt 115 ls 116 wc * 117 ls 118 exit 119 cd ../../web 120 ls 121 cd portal 122 ls 123 exit 124 cd ../../web 125 ls 126 du 127 cd portal 128 du 129 exit 130 cd ../../web 131 df 132 du 133 cd portrwportal 134 cd portal 135 ls 136 ls *.,pov 137 ls *.mov 138 exit 139 cd ../../web/portal/basic 140 pwd 141 ls :*.mov 142 ls *.mov 143 mv moveii.mov /home/sites/site14/web/portal 144 ls 145 cd .. 146 ls 147 pic 0.README.txt 148 pico 0.README.txt 149 cd .. 150 df 151 du 152 exit 153 cd ../../web/portal 154 mkdir book 155 mkdir polypore 156 mkdir article 157 exit 158 cd ../../web 159 ls 160 du 161 du > zz 162 ls polypore 163 ls portal/polypore 164 ls portal/polypore >> zz 165 ls portal/bool >> zz 166 ls portal/book >> zz 167 ls portal/book/texts >> zz 168 ls portal/book/talks/ >> zz 169 pico zz 170 ls portal/basic/ >> zz 171 pico zz 172 ftp panix.com 173 df 174 du 175 byew 176 bye 177 exit 178 cd ../../web/portal 179 ls 180 ls | more 181 cd book 182 ls 183 cd .. 184 ls | more 185 cd clara 186 ls 187 mv *.JPG *.jpg 188 ls 189 ftp panix.com 190 pico readme 191 ls 192 ls -la * 193 mv readme README.txt 194 ls 195 ls -la 196 exit 197 cd ../../web/portal 198 mv basic program 199 ls 200 cd .. 201 du 202 cd portal/article 203 ls 204 cd .. 205 rmdir article 206 ls 207 exit 208 cd ../../ 209 ls 210 cd web 211 lls 212 ls 213 chmod 644 mr 214 chmod 644 ms 215 pico index.html 216 lynx index.html 217 ls 218 exit 219 cd ../../web 220 ls 221 less zz 222 rm zz 223 ls 224 touch zzzzz 225 cat ?? > zzzzz 226 wc zzzzz 227 cat *.txt >> zzzzz 228 wc zzzzz 229 cat Uncanny Weather Blood Fantasm >> zzzzz 230 wc zzzzz 231 ftp panix.com 232 rm zzzzz 233 exit 234 cd ../../web 235 pwd 236 cd portal 237 ls 238 cd clara 239 ls 240 less README.txt 241 rm * 242 cd .. 243 rmdir clara 244 ls 245 ls DSC* 246 rm DSC* 247 ls 248 ls | more 249 less 0.README.txt 250 ls 251 ls | more 252 exit 253 cd ../../web 254 ls 255 cd portal 256 ls 257 ls * > zz 258 wc zz 259 ftp panix.com 260 rm zz 261 ls 262 cd .. 263 ls 264 cd portal 265 ls | more 266 cd book 267 ls 268 wc sophia.txt 269 ls 270 wc * 271 ftp panix.com 272 ls 273 ls > zz 274 ls talks/* >> zz 275 wc zz 276 mv zz zzz 277 less zzz 278 ls 279 ftp panix.com 280 exit 281 cd ../../web 282 pico index.html 283 exit 284 cd ../../ 285 ls 286 cd web 287 du 288 ls h* 289 cd portal 290 ls h* 291 wc h* 292 exit 293 cd ../../web 294 ls 295 grep Beaufort * > jjjj 296 pico jjjj 297 rm jjjj 298 y 299 pico ln 300 exit 301 cd ../../web 302 ls 303 man grep 304 grep -h problematic * > zzz 305 wc zzz 306 ftp panix.com 307 rm zzz 308 exit 309 cd ../../web 310 cat ?? > zzzz 311 wc zzzz 312 cat *.txt >> zzzz 313 cat Blood Weather Fantasm >> zzzz 314 ls 315 cat Past Uncanny >> zzzz 316 wc zzzz 317 ftp panix.com 318 exit 319 cd ../../web 320 ls 321 ftp panix.com 322 ls 323 pico index.html 324 exit 325 cd ../../web 326 traceroute panix.com 327 ping panix.com 328 dig panix.com 329 telnet solix.fiu.edu 330 cd ../../ 331 cd web 332 telnet panix.com 333 telnet panix3.panix.com 334 telnet panix5.panix.com 335 telnet panix2.panix.com 336 telnet panix7.panix.com 337 telnet solix.fiu.edu 338 telnet panix7.panix.com 339 rusers panix.com 340 ruser panix.com 341 exit 342 cd ../../web 343 grep fuzzy * > zzzz 344 wc zzzz 345 ls 346 wc zzzz 347 rm zzzz 348 history 349 grep fuzzy ??? > zzzz 350 wc zzzz 351 cd 352 pwd 353 cd ../../web 354 grep fuzzy * > ~/zzzz 355 cd 356 wc zzzz 357 ftp panix.com 358 rm zzz 359 rm zzzz 360 cd ../../web 361 ftp panix.com 362 exit 363 grep -h fuzzy ../../web/* > zzzz 364 wc zzzz 365 pico zzzz 366 history 367 grep -h defuge ../../web/* > zzzz 368 wc zzzz 369 pico zzzz 370 ftp panix.com 371 rm zzzz 372 exit 373 cd ../../web 374 ftp panix.com 375 pico index.html 376 chmod 644 mu 377 bye 378 exit 379 cd ../../web 380 pico index.html 381 exit 382 cd ../../web 383 ls 384 wc zzzz 385 rm zzzz 386 y 387 cat ?? > zzzz 388 wc zzzz 389 cat *.ext >> zzzz 390 cat *.txt >> zzzz 391 cat book? >> zzzz 392 ls 393 cat Blood Fantasm Past Uncanny Weather >> zzzz 394 wc zzzz 395 ftp panix.com 396 rm zzzz 397 exit 398 cd ../../web 399 ls 400 ftp panix.com 401 pico netintro 402 mv netintro augie.txt 403 cat ?? >> augie.txt 404 mv augie.txt augie.text 405 cat *.txt >> augie.text 406 mv augie.text augie.txt 407 ls 408 cat Blood Fantasm Past Uncanny Weather >> augie.txt 409 cat book? >> augie.txt 410 wc mv 411 ftp panix.com 412 cat mv >> augie.txt 413 wc augie.txt 414 df 415 du 416 exit 417 cd ../../web 418 rm augie.txt 419 exit 420 cd ../../web 421 ls 422 ftp panix.com 423 pico netintro 424 cat *.txt >> netintro 425 cat ?? >> netintro 426 ls 427 cat Blood Fantasm Past Uncanny Weather >> netintro 428 cat book? >> netintro 429 wc netintro 430 mv netintro augie.txt 431 history 432 history >> zz === ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 21:43:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: J Boehme: The visible world is. . . 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Silem Mohammad, Kristin Palm, Kent Johnson, Leonard Schwartz,=A0Dale Smith= , John Stickney, Stephen Vincent, Andrew Goldfarb, Jim Behrle, kari edwards, Gary Sullivan, Mark DuCharme, mark s kuhar, CAConrad, Kevin Gallagher, W.B. Keckler, Robert Loye, Jane Sprague, John Bradley, Clayton A. Couch, David Hadbawnik, Lauren Gudath, Ricky Venel Stone, Erin Mour=E9, Spencer Selby, Tahseen al Khateeb, Links of Oil & Empire more to be added in the days to come. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 00:27:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: OUROBOROUS SYSTEMATICS #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OUROBOROUS SYSTEMATICS #0001 excerpt sæfor Shakti is sæfor Shakti is sæfor Shakti is that the best you can do?" could hear her starting to pant. 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 06:50:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Brakhage Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I dont think this obit has made it thru the list yet... http://www.voy.com/60649/15977.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:48:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Brakhage Obit NYT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable March 12, 2003 Stan Brakhage, Avant-Garde Filmmaker, Is Dead at 70 By A. O. SCOTT Stan Brakhage, one of the leading figures in American experimental=20 cinema, died on Sunday in Victoria, British Columbia. He was 70. The cause was cancer, his wife, Marilyn, said in a statement. In a career that in the early 1950's and continued until the last=20 weeks of his life, Mr. Brakhage made about 400 films. He also wrote=20 about film and taught extensively. Like the work of many artistic radicals, his is often described in=20 terms of what it is not: working in a photographic medium most commonly=20= defined by storytelling and the reproduction of real-world objects and=20= events, Mr. Brakhage made films that usually had no narrative, were=20 often not representational and at times even dispensed with photography=20= altogether. With a few exceptions, his films were also made without=20 sound, which he felt might spoil the intensity of the visual experience. An admirer of Ezra Pound and a close associate of poets like Kenneth=20= Rexroth, Robert Creeley and Robert Duncan, Mr. Brakhage preferred to=20 think of his films as metaphorical, abstract and highly subjective =97 = as=20 a kind of poetry written with light. "He was a painter or poet in cinema," said P. Adams Sitney, a film=20 historian at Princeton University, "not a novelist like everybody else." Mr. Sitney continued, "In the entire history of the medium, when all=20= the pop-culture interests have faded, a hundred years from now, he will=20= be considered the preeminent artist of the 20th century." Mr. Brakhage's work is as notable for its variety as for its quantity:=20= some of his films last only a few seconds, while others are epic in=20 scope and duration; they include meditations on sexuality and domestic=20= life, as well as wholly abstract compositions made by scratching,=20 dyeing and otherwise altering the celluloid itself. In "Window Water Baby Moving" (1959) he unflinchingly documented the=20= birth of one of his children long before camcorders became standard=20 delivery-room accessories. In "Mothlight" (1963) he sandwiched leaves,=20= petals and insect parts between strips of perforated tape and then=20 transferred their images to film. In "The Text of Light" (1974) he=20 examined the shadings and refractions of light filtered through a heavy=20= glass ashtray. But for all their differences of mood, style and formal method, Mr.=20 Brakhage's films were the expression of a singular and uncompromising=20 aesthetic program, which he articulated in numerous lectures,=20 interviews and essays. "Imagine an eye unruled by man-made laws of perspective," he wrote in=20= "Metaphor on Vision," first published in the journal Film Culture in=20 1963, "an eye unprejudiced by compositional logic, an eye which does=20 not respond to the name of everything but which must know each object=20 encountered in life through an adventure of perception." The idea that the physical act of seeing could be separated =97=20 liberated, even =97 from the shape and nature of the things seen, and=20 from our preconceptions about them, was the basis of much of Mr.=20 Brakhage's art. Stan Brakhage was born Robert Sanders in a Kansas City, Mo., orphanage=20= on Jan. 14, 1933, and adopted two weeks later by Ludwig and Clara=20 Brakhage, who named him James Stanley. He performed on radio as a boy=20 soprano, attended high school in Denver and dropped out of Dartmouth=20 after two months. In 1952 he made his first film, "Interim." Among his early influences were Jean Cocteau and the Italian=20 neo-realists but, after arriving in New York in 1954, he gravitated=20 toward the flourishing avant-garde film scene, drawing inspiration from=20= artists and filmmakers like Maya Deren and Marie Menken and with Joseph=20= Cornell, with whom he collaborated on several occasions. In 1957 he married Jane Collom, and the details of their lives=20 together, and the lives of their five children, would figure=20 prominently in his work. They divorced in 1987. In 1989 Mr. Brakhage=20 married Marilyn Jull, with whom he had two sons. He is survived by Marilyn, their sons, Anton and Vaughn; the children=20= from his first marriage, Myrrena Schwegmann of Aurora, Colo., Crystal=20 Brakhage of Longmont, Colo., Neowyn Bartek of Denver, Bearthm Brakhage=20= of Denver and Rarc Brakhage of Selmer, Tenn.; and 14 grandchildren. Mr. Brakhage's work, beginning with "Anticipation of the Night"=20 (1958), which he at one point considered ending with a scene of his own=20= suicide, soon placed him at the center of the underground film movement. Jonas Mekas, a fellow filmmaker, longtime friend and director of=20 Anthology Film Archives in Manhattan, recalled on Monday that, before=20 Mr. Brakhage, "the avant-garde was very much in the classical=20 French/German tradition, and here comes this guy in his 20's from=20 Colorado with this electrifying personal style, very open and free, and=20= that was really the beginning of the American avant-garde." Mr. Mekas compared Mr. Brakhage to Willem de Kooning and the other=20 Abstract Expressionist painters. In the 1980's, with "painted films"=20 like Mr. Brakhage's "Dante Quartet," this affinity would become even=20 more explicit, as though Mr. Brakhage had been able to transform the=20 implicit velocity of action painting into actual, literal movement. According to Marilyn Brakhage, Mr. Brakhage's doctors believed that=20 the coal-tar dyes that he used in making those films may have=20 contributed to his bladder cancer, which was diagnosed in 1996. Although the centers of experimental filmmaking in the 60's and 70's=20= were San Francisco and New York, Mr. Brakhage spent much of his working=20= life in Colorado, where he lived from 1960 until last year, when he=20 moved to Canada. =46rom 1969 to 1981 he taught for one semester each year at the School=20= of the Art Institute of Chicago. (His lectures there, on his colleagues=20= and precursors, were collected in the book "Film at Wit's End.") =46rom=20= 1981 until his retirement last year, he taught at the University of=20 Colorado at Boulder. Mr. Mekas said that in his final months Mr. Brakhage was still working=20= on film, softening the emulsion on pieces of celluloid and scratching=20 it with his fingernail. ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a = crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere = Else. c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 = -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:48:11 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Fwd: Poetry library needs to contact Opal L Nations Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any help with this would be appreciated. Jess --- Original Message --- Date: 3/12/2003 From: "Sarah Lindon" Subject: Poetry library needs to contact Opal L Nations Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing on behalf of the Poetry Library in London UK. We need to contact Opal L Nations about permission to reproduce some of his work. I'm hoping you will be able to provide an email or postal address at which we can contact him about this, as his work appears in Die Young on your website. If you are unable to do so, any other suggestions as to how we might reach him would also be very much appreciated. Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Sarah Lindon -- Sarah Lindon s_lindon@fastmail.fm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:58:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jesse glass Subject: Strange Message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I attempted to forward a message to the list and received this message = in return. Is any one else getting these kinds of messages? =20 This is the Postfix program at host goshen.rutgers.edu. I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. For further assistance, please send mail to If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the message returned below. The Postfix program : unknown user: "cdalonzo" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:06:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: Mozart, music jigsaw puzzles, and another shameless self-plug Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mozart's Magic Flute is another super-cool Windows music game for kids = aged 4-104. It is based on Mozart's music and turns it into interactive = music puzzles of a kind you haven't seen before, unless you have played = the Nutcracker Music Game, which has won a host of awards and is also = available from the same site: www.kidmusicstage.com . I lovingly wrote = the poetry and the entire voiceover text for both games (and invented = much of the narrative plot). I append a brief description of the Mozart game. Cheers to all! Philip Nikolayev -------- Based on Mozart's unforgettable opera, The Magic Flute Game offers a = one-of-a-kind, family-oriented, multigenerational experience that will = delight kids and adults alike. Filled with dozens of fun musical games, = puzzles, riddles and characters, the CD-ROM offering also boasts = innovative interactive activities such as MGI's animated, rhymed = Encyclopedia of Musical Instruments. The Magic Flute Game features the boy Mozart, Wolfie (Mozart's true = childhood nickname). Wolfie must use music to save the world from the = wicked spell of the Queen of the Night. Papageno, the funny and = whimsical bird catcher type familiar from Mozart's original opera, = assists Wolfie and the player at every stage of the game. The Magic = Flute helps Wolfie turn the Queen's Castle back into the lovely Princely = Palace, saving the Prince and the Princess themselves along the way. = Exquisite watercolor animation creates an unforgettably magical = experience that kids as well as adults will want to relive over and = again. Over two dozen of all the games on the CD-ROM are based on MGI's = proprietary Music Jigsaw Puzzle (MJP) platform. Moreover, The Magic = Flute Game contains 24 Truly Twisted Music Riddles - another favorite = new game type introduced by MGI. In addition to its rich "game stuff," = the product includes an original voiced "Mozart Music Trivia"; MGI's = "Animated Encyclopedia of Musical Instruments" with delightfully = whimsical rhymed poems for kids by an award-winning poet Philip = Nikolayev; Mozart's Music Box; a voiced Magic Flute tale, and an = educational Mozart biography. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:09:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: Re: Mozart, music jigsaw puzzles, and another shameless self-plug (CORRECTION) Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Corrected URL: www.kidsmusicstage.com=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:07:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: french fried facism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Young" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: french fried facism > I thought this was a parody but it apparently isn't > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=536&ncid=536&e=7&u=/ap/2003 0311/ap_on_go_co/freedom_fries_2 Dangerous little boys and girls. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:32:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Brakhage In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >geez Herb, were you in Taylor's class when he locked everyone in the >room & called them honkies? or is that just another urban legend from >the land of tall tales? I wasn't in the class during Taylor's final, controversial semester, but I don't think any thing like that really happened. However, he did flunk a LOT of people that semester. Taylor asked everyone in Intro to Black Music to create some kind of response to a piece of music. It could be your own music, a paper, a dance, a picture, a poem; but he had to accept it as a personal response. This was a problem for most students who had expected a gut class like Intro to the String Quartet, in which you take one multiple choice listening test and got graded on a curve from B- to B+. But, of course, because he was entirely subjective as to what constituted a "genuine" response and hadn't accepted a huge percentage of what was submitted, this was also a problem for the administration, who ultimately turned the class into a pass/fail class and passed any one who challenged their F. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:51:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: how link other blog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed please someone tell me how i put links other blogs on my blog template . kin i do it w/out eh eh doing dumb html which is worse than Pali i feel like maria damon who kept saying she was cross stitching and not knitting to jim behrle while jack kimball just stood there being bald and mairead byrne -- w/ a jillion words in her brain as usual -- looked on us all chuckling while mark lamoureux has red hair meanwhile back at the ranch please tell me how i put links to other blogs onto my blog, which i see now has been hijacked again by jack kimball, stop it jack http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:04:26 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hoa Nguyen Subject: Book Slut: "It is kind of psychotic to write poetry" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "It is kind of psychotic to write poetry": an interview with the founders of Skanky Possum by Jessa Crispin Perhaps "poetry magazine" isn't what you first think of when you hear the words "Skanky Possum". "Bad punk band" might be closer. However, when Dale Smith came across a possum stuck in a trap they set for a feral cat, the first words out of his mouth stuck as the title of the magazine. Smith and his wife Hoa Nguyen run the magazine and micro-publishing house Skanky Possum out of their small Eastside Austin house. On the coffee table are a few scattered issues of their chapbooks and a towering stack of manila envelopes crowd their dining room table. "You see that, that's all askew?" Hoa points at the envelopes. "That's all of the submissions from the past couple weeks. If everybody that submitted bought a magazine, we would be fine." Their house holds a combination of poetry books and children's toys. Their young son Keaton repeats words his mother says, lifting his fists over his head and shouting, "Pom-Pom!" (a poetry magazine) and at one point, "Poetry!" as if in victory. See more at Book Slut http://www.bookslut.com/features/0303/possum.htm _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:06:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Re: how link other blog In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030312094308.01d9e1f0@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The easiest way is to use the service blogrolling.com. It will involve putting HTML code in the template once, but after that, you use easy-to-fill-out forms. And you can add a "blogroll this!" button to your browser, so if you see a blog you want on your list, you click the button and a pop-up window comes up that you finish filling out and VIOLA! brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Gabriel Gudding > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:51 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: how link other blog > > please someone tell me how i put links other blogs on my blog template . > kin i do it w/out eh eh doing dumb html which is worse than Pali > > i feel like maria damon who kept saying she was cross stitching and not > knitting to jim behrle while jack kimball just stood there being bald and > mairead byrne -- w/ a jillion words in her brain as usual -- looked on us > all chuckling while mark lamoureux has red hair > > meanwhile back at the ranch please tell me how i put links to other blogs > onto my blog, which i see now has been hijacked again by jack kimball, > stop > it jack > > http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:12:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: Poetry library needs to contact Opal L Nations In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Last I saw him (a dozen years ago, or more, more) Opal was living in Oakland & dj'ing some doo wop programs on KPFA -- maybe a search of the Oakland phone directories wld help. -- Pierre On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 09:48 AM, Jesse Glass wrote: > Any help with this would be appreciated. Jess > --- Original Message --- > Date: 3/12/2003 > From: "Sarah Lindon" > Subject: Poetry library needs to contact Opal L Nations > > > Dear Sir/Madam, > > I am writing on behalf of the Poetry Library in London UK. We need to > contact Opal L Nations about permission to reproduce some of his work. > I'm hoping you will be able to provide an email or postal address at > which we can contact him about this, as his work appears in Die Young > on > your website. If you are unable to do so, any other suggestions as to > how > we might reach him would also be very much appreciated. Thanks for your > help. > > Sincerely, > > Sarah Lindon > -- > Sarah Lindon > s_lindon@fastmail.fm > > ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:55:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: POETS with Blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i for one enjoy reading Blogs by poets and want to start a list which would be updated six times a year of the Blogs available to us so send your name and Blogspot to this e-mail address (to be listed in alphabetical order by poet's name) and let other poets with Blogs you know of (just poets) that this list is coming together reply to this e-mail or send another with the subject line "BLOG FOR LIST" thank you poet Bloggers CAConrad http://poets9for9.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:24:39 -0500 Reply-To: gmcvay@patriot.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, what if your blog isn't particularly literary most of the time, and you're not debating the heavy issues of the time such as whether Jane Q. Poet can properly be considered part of the L= movement? What if, as might be the case with mine today (and it's not on the hip "blogspot" site either), it consists entirely of the notation "Red-bellied Woodpecker!!!"? What if your blog, in short, is pretty damn ordinary? Quotidian? Mundane? Etc. Gwyn McVay, cataloguing the boring since 2001 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:40:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Opal Nations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this query today Please reply directly to : Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing on behalf of the Poetry Library in London UK. We need to contact Opal L Nations about permission to reproduce some of his work. I'm hoping you will be able to provide an email or postal address at which we can contact him about this, as his work appears in Die Young on your website. If you are unable to do so, any other suggestions as to how we might reach him would also be very much appreciated. Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Sarah Lindon -- Sarah Lindon s_lindon@fastmail.fm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:58:09 -0800 Reply-To: Doug Rice Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Doug Rice Organization: CSUS Subject: CFP: Nomadic Piracy, PAMLA conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Call for Papers Nomadic Piracy: The Anti-Aesthetics of Appropriation PAMLA Annual Convention, November 7-9, 2003 Scripts College, Claremont CA This panel challenges the postmodern notions of appropriation, plagirism, piracy, and/or copyright. We will be investigating texts that break boundaries of appropriate behavior in language and borrowing and scracthing away at the "owned" discourses. How do artists pasticha nd collage together fragments of texts and image in order to re-produce new texts that critique the cult of originality. We are particularly interested in papers that explore the writing of Kathy Acker, WIlliam S. Burroughs, Raymond Federman, Negativland, Jean-Luc Godard, and so on. Theoretical approaches informed by Deleuze, Kristeva, Irigaray, Derrida and so on. 500 word abstracts should be sent to Doug Rice drice@csus.edu Deadline for receipt of proposals : March 25, 2003 Assistant Professor of English California State University, Sacramento 6000 J Street Sacramento CA 95819-6075 (916) 278-5989 http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/riced/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:16:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Safdie Joseph Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think this question of Gwyn's . . . "Okay, what if your blog . . . consists entirely of the notation "Red-bellied Woodpecker!!!"? . . . deserves serious consideration. In fact, I'd like to propose that anyone seeking to post to the Buffalo Poetics list be *required* to have a blog -- such blog would be overseen by a distinguished panel of blogsters, who would judge whether or not the said blogger would be worthy of contributing to the list. Criteria might include (but would not be limited to) no more than three audio blogs in a single day, and of those, only one with maniacal laughing; at least one reflection about poetics a month (or, you know, a year -- whatever's decided upon); and, of course, the blogger would have to include at least one literary object that the experts determine to be an actual *poem* -- or present evidence that he or she has read one at some point. (Big sigh) Honestly, this phenomenon reminds me of national health insurance. Soon all the rich people will have blogs, and the poor will have to confine themselves to listservs. So, in defense of poverty, if not unacknowledged legislation, I wanted to give some thoughts about and reactions to Charles Bernstein's statement on poetry and politics for *Enough*. I realize it was posted two whole days ago, so I'll quote here the parts I wanted to respond to: *********************** "In these difficult times, let us not draw away from our poetics in an attempt to redress the ominous possibilities of future U.S. government policies or the onerous effects of current government policies. As poets, we need to pursue our own forms of ethical and aesthetic response rather than engage in the sort of pronouncement by fiat and moral presumption of President Bush and his partisans. [snip] "If we are to talk of "poets" against the war, then what is it in our poems -- as opposed to our positions as citizens -- that does the opposing? Perhaps it might be an approach to politics, as much as to poetry, that doesn't feel compelled to repress ambiguity or complexity nor to substitute the righteous monologue for a skeptic's dialogue. At these trying time we keep being hectored toward moral discourse, toward turning our work into digestible messages. This too is a casualty of the war machine, the undermining of the value of the projects of art, of the aesthetic. Art is never secondary to moral discourse but its teacher. [snip] "But the task for poetry is not to translate itself into the language of social and linguistic norms but to question those norms and, indeed, to explore the ways they are used to discipline and contain dissent. Poetry offers not a moral compass but an aesthetic probe." ***************************** Although I find some things here with which I can agree, I wonder about creating a duality between morality and art, morality and aesthetics. Morality, from the Latin mormos, custom -- of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior. If we avoid morality in our art, is it to say that we can no longer question said principles? Is the recent poetry against the war "movement" really only a collection of hectoring moral discourse? I haven't read the poems on the website, but I'd think that if they were, they'd be bad poems. In short, I don't feel we should have to run from the word "morality" -- it's right to question it, of course, especially if what's meant is some sort of narrow and imposed state of being or acting ala Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell. But just because Mr. Bush likes to talk in terms of good and evil doesn't mean, I think, that we should have to give up calling something wrong in our poems -- or question the rightness and propriety of current social acts. I imagine there are still some folks on the list who have read Havelock's *Preface to Plato* -- I quoted it a lot in a recent poem I wrote concerning last year's World Series. The book is mostly about Homer, and how the *Iliad* and the *Odyssey* actually served as a sort of moral encyclopedia for the Greeks, cataloging custom and mores. Here's a section of what he said -- "And yet the vision is not unique so much as typical. Homer did not personally invent these ways of recollecting custom . . . he did not create this code, nor can he alter its general color. . . the furniture in the house may undergo some rearrangement, but there cannot be a manufacture of new furniture." Should that appear unpromising or as some sort of formula for dullness, I can assure folks 30 and younger that Homer is still a pretty good read, even if he of course pales in comparison to Homer Simpson. Joe Safdie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:45:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs In-Reply-To: <3E6F6D50.D42A4A32@patriot.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { What if your blog, in short, is pretty damn ordinary? Quotidian? { Mundane? Etc. { { Gwyn McVay, cataloguing the boring since 2001 Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, &c. Hal "I think I think; therefore I think I am." --Ambrose Bierce Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:05:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Anyone know the title of this book... In-Reply-To: <9664F36261DE32409334B83B21CAEE8EB6E19A@lwtc.ctc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii of poems and prison documents of captured North Vietnamese soldiers? Please b/c Kazim Ali ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:06:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: FBI Invades University in Moscow--Idaho Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:03 PM Subject: 120 FBI Agents Raid the University of Idaho (Who is next?) From: Prof. Elizabeth Brandt from Univ. of Idaho Well, yesterday was an exciting day in my small town. The FBI flew in 120 agents, fully armed in riot gear, on two C-17 military aircraft (I think -- they were BIG planes) to Moscow Idaho (population 17,000 +/-) to arrest one Saudi graduate student for visa fraud. The raid went down in University of Idaho student housing at 4:30 a.m. in the morning, terrorizing not only the suspect's family (he lived in student housing with his wife and three elementary school age children) but also the families of neighboring students who were awakened by the shouting and lights and were required to remain in their homes until after 8:30 a.m. At least 20 other students who had the misfortune to either know the suspect or to have some minor immigration irregularities were also subjected to substantial, surprise interrogations (4+ hours) although none were detained or arrested yesterday. Now, however, a witch hunt for additional unarmed suspects who supposedly helped the guy who was arrested is on. The INS and FBI are working together using Gestapo tactics to question the students -- threatening their immigration status (and hence their education) if they don't answer questions which are really aimed at the criminal investigation. They have also threatened their partners and spouses with perjury charges if they don't talk. I spent yesterday working with our immigration clinic director and local criminal defense attorneys to organize legal representation for the students who are being swept into the hunt for co-conspirators. We have reached out to our entire area (40 -mile radius) to find enough attorneys. Now I'm working on getting resources and support to them. The Saudi government is providing financial support. Reading about this stuff is one thing. Having it in your backyard is another. The international students at the University of Idaho are terrorized and scared. Elizabeth Barker Brandt Professor University of Idaho College of Law ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:03:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: chance recovery In-Reply-To: <9664F36261DE32409334B83B21CAEE8EB6E19A@lwtc.ctc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit chance recovery we ourselves, our all included and not included or nothing or part or our practice, our quiet, our mistrustful manner, our panic, our deceitful manner, our above all or above a few or ours is the very few and scattered among nations or a few in mid-managment with upper management desires, we are the working poor, we only have a card board box for a home or contrary to popular demands our objective self, which is as much a lie as one for all and all for . . . . . . is there such a thing as a enemy of the state, could there ever be in a fair state of mind if we see anyone as an enemy, or is there a state worth stating with our aesthetics bound, or not bound in a collective knot, bound our not bound in our picturesque truths or our panoramic lies. we learn better then most, have less chances then most, want to be like them, we are them wanting to be like them who want to be like us. we can no longer trace our origins, our ancestry has disappeared from the earth, we are the earth, the dirt and soil you try to sanitize, our mothers and fathers have all disappeared, disavowed us, been captured, are in prison, murdered, are pot heads or hot heads, pop stars or in the military, prostitutes, union members, christians, moslems, buddhist, catholic priests or are members of the nationalist party, communist party, party all night till you puke- party. we are in the back of the bus, the front of the bus, we are the driver for your new mercedes, we drive the hurst you will be in, we make the casket and bed you will sleep in. we crucified christ, froze in the paris commune, hide in tunnels as tanks rolled past, plotted revolution against a tea tax, against the british, against the fascist, against the emperor for life, king of the land, infidels and greedy landowners. we landed o Plymouth rock, the moon, crossed the barren straits, and tortured and jailed souls that were all ready deadened to pain. we are relatively speaking a relative of someone somewhere who sees us as a dangerous machine with no knowledge of the former addressee. we are soul, flesh, blood, codes, spirals, and subatomic wave forms. we are free will, a head in a herded crowd, nothing, everything, sin, grace, carpet bombers, forgiveness of sin of an imaginary or real enemy, hero, villain with a complete lack of cause. we are sign-language, esperanto, rock-an-roll, the watusie, tango, charlie, care givers, assholes, believers in the myth that there is such a thing as a man or a woman, or only men, or only one or another, we are the good, bad and ugly in every spaghetti western. we are the hateful, and hated, the redeemed and redeemers, the possible and the limited, we are all want to be famous and on television or hide under the covers, we are simple and complex, which depends on the census. we can be the sheet-anchor for the drowning or the one holding them under, we are the assassins bullet and the blood of the victim, we are a moment of everything and nothing, we all have an address with no known distant neighbor, we are a part of speck adrift in the vastness of unknown dark matter. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:05:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: New in the Possum Pouch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bernstein's "Enough!" by Kent Johnson www.skankypossum.com/pouch **** Please contribute to the Pouch with your notes, essays, commentary or reviews. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:44:13 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--exonumia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: A.Word.A.Day--exonumia exonumia (ek-suh-NOO-mee-uh, -NYOO-) noun Objects that resemble money but do not circulate as coin or paper money. For example, tokens, coupons, medal, etc. [From New Latin exo- (outside) + num (as in numismatic: related to currency).] "Objects such as savings bonds, gas-ration coupons and meat- and butter-ration coupons are indeed collectible. ... I have seen coin dealers, primarily at shows, handle exonumia on these and other subjects." Don Alpert; Bond's Value Higher With Dec. 7 Stamp; The Los Angeles Times; Aug 11, 1988. "While Canada and other countries have occasionally struck wooden currency, wooden money is `considered distinctly an American contribution to exonumia' -- objects that resemble money but are not for circulation as money." Theresa Humphrey; They Take Wooden Nickels; The Sun (Baltimore, Maryland); Jan 27, 1993. This week's theme: words about collecting and study of things. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND !There's a Frog in My Throat! 440 Animal Sayings a Little Bird Told Me" Fun new idiom book! See it at http://loreenleedy.com or http://patstreet.com ............................................................................ The death of democracy is not likely to be an assassination from ambush. It will be a slow extinction from apathy, indifference, and undernourishment. -Robert Maynard Hutchins, educator (1899-1977) Q: Tomorrow is my friend's birthday and I forgot to send her a gift. Help! A: How about the gift of words? A Word A Day, subscription: http://wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html A Word A Day, the book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20 Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/exonumia.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/exonumia.ram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:29:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Blogs are free, so hey, so much for your attempt to paint us all the color of money. and i sure as hell am not rich either. but anyway, the debate about poets with Blogs can go on all it wants, i'll like them anyway you dice the opinions. i think they're FANTASTIC actually, along with a lot of other things in this world concerning the internet right now. by the way, before a friend of mine gave me her old computer, i would go to the library here in Philadelphia with the rest of the poor people and use the free terminals in there. the internet is a beautiful thing, i'm glad i'm alive RIGHT NOW with the pulse of that cord winding out to poetry i want to get a look at. Conrad In a message dated 3/12/2003 1:16:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: > > > I think this question of Gwyn's . . . "Okay, what if your blog . . . > consists entirely of the notation "Red-bellied Woodpecker!!!"? . . . > deserves serious consideration. > > In fact, I'd like to propose that anyone seeking to post to the Buffalo > Poetics list be *required* to have a blog -- such blog would be overseen by > a distinguished panel of blogsters, who would judge whether or not the said > blogger would be worthy of contributing to the list. > > Criteria might include (but would not be limited to) no more than three > audio blogs in a single day, and of those, only one with maniacal laughing; > at least one reflection about poetics a month (or, you know, a year -- > whatever's decided upon); and, of course, the blogger would have to include > at least one literary object that the experts determine to be an actual > *poem* -- or present evidence that he or she has read one at some point. > > (Big sigh) > > Honestly, this phenomenon reminds me of national health insurance. Soon all > the rich people will have blogs, and the poor will have to confine > themselves to listservs. > > So, in defense of poverty, if not unacknowledged legislation, I wanted to > give some thoughts about and reactions to Charles Bernstein's statement on > poetry and politics for *Enough*. I realize it was posted two whole days > ago, so I'll quote here the parts I wanted to respond to: > > *********************** > > "In these difficult times, let us not draw away from our poetics in an > attempt to redress the ominous possibilities of future U.S. government > policies or the onerous effects of current government policies. As poets, we > need to pursue our own forms of ethical and aesthetic response rather than > engage in the sort of pronouncement by fiat and moral presumption of > President Bush and his partisans. > > [snip] > > "If we are to talk of "poets" against the war, then what is it in our poems > -- as opposed to our positions as citizens -- that does the opposing? > Perhaps it might be an approach to politics, as much as to poetry, that > doesn't feel compelled to repress ambiguity or complexity nor to substitute > the righteous monologue for a skeptic's dialogue. > > At these trying time we keep being hectored toward moral discourse, toward > turning our work into digestible messages. This too is a casualty of the war > machine, the undermining of the value of the projects of art, of the > aesthetic. > > Art is never secondary to moral discourse but its teacher. > > [snip] > > "But the task for poetry is not to translate itself into the language of > social and linguistic norms but to question those norms and, indeed, to > explore the ways they are used to discipline and contain dissent. > > Poetry offers not a moral compass but an aesthetic probe." > > ***************************** > > Although I find some things here with which I can agree, I wonder about > creating a duality between morality and art, morality and aesthetics. > Morality, from the Latin mormos, custom -- of or relating to principles of > right and wrong in behavior. If we avoid morality in our art, is it to say > that we can no longer question said principles? Is the recent poetry against > the war "movement" really only a collection of hectoring moral discourse? I > haven't read the poems on the website, but I'd think that if they were, > they'd be bad poems. > > In short, I don't feel we should have to run from the word "morality" -- > it's right to question it, of course, especially if what's meant is some > sort of narrow and imposed state of being or acting ala Pat Robertson and > Jerry Falwell. But just because Mr. Bush likes to talk in terms of good and > evil doesn't mean, I think, that we should have to give up calling something > wrong in our poems -- or question the rightness and propriety of current > social acts. > > I imagine there are still some folks on the list who have read Havelock's > *Preface to Plato* -- I quoted it a lot in a recent poem I wrote concerning > last year's World Series. The book is mostly about Homer, and how the > *Iliad* and the *Odyssey* actually served as a sort of moral encyclopedia > for the Greeks, cataloging custom and mores. Here's a section of what he > said -- > > "And yet the vision is not unique so much as typical. Homer did not > personally invent these ways of recollecting custom . . . he did not create > this code, nor can he alter its general color. . . the furniture in the > house may undergo some rearrangement, but there cannot be a manufacture of > new furniture." > > Should that appear unpromising or as some sort of formula for dullness, I > can assure folks 30 and younger that Homer is still a > pretty good read, even > if he of course pales in comparison to Homer Simpson. > > Joe Safdie http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/03/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:39:11 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs In-Reply-To: <00F49D83.6A362CB1.01F36A84@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-51EC5E90; boundary="=======55E83E25=======" --=======55E83E25======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-51EC5E90; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit komninos zervos http://spokenword.blog-city.com At 02:55 AM 13/03/03, you wrote: >i for one enjoy reading Blogs by poets >and want to start a list which would >be updated six times a year of the >Blogs available to us > >so send your name and Blogspot >to this e-mail address (to be listed >in alphabetical order by poet's name) > >and let other poets with Blogs >you know of (just poets) that >this list is coming together > >reply to this e-mail or send >another with the subject line "BLOG FOR LIST" > >thank you poet Bloggers >CAConrad >http://poets9for9.blogspot.com >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 25/02/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======55E83E25======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-51EC5E90 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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[[ ]] ce he has begu invades a man once he has begun speak. ibe the pain that invades a man once he has begun to speak. has b s begun to spe as begun to speak. peak. gun to sp nvades a man once he has begun to speak. to speak. o speak. k. ak. -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:21:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030313073825.00acc190@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" this minor (yes?) controversy over blogs---it so resembles initial resistance to electronic media... to every new form, means of expression, tool, genre, medium, forum, what have you... yes, we'll have to get off our asses to see what's happening in blogspace---over there---*if* we want to see what's happening in blogspace... no, i don't always feel like getting off my ass, either... yes, that's the way it goes---blogs aren't likely to vanish just b/c... what matters, i think we can perhaps agree (?), is what one DOES with same, no?... so, what to do with blogs, that can't be done here, or that can be better done than hereabouts... but what to do with same, in any case... i don't believe corresponding conjectures will be necessarily obvious, not at all, not yet anyway... and for the record, i've seen awful things done with just about every form, means of expression, tool, etc. (and surely i can't be alone here)... anyway, for what it's worth... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:22:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: FBI Invades University in Moscow--Idaho In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Talk about overkill. I'm really interested in this b/c it ties into research I'm doing about the "war on terrorism." If it's ok, I'd like to ask you a few things: Was there any public declaration about the situation by the government or the media? Has the man formally been charged? Is he accused of falsifying his own visa, or others'? Thanks, Flora --- "Walter K. Lew" wrote: > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:03 PM > Subject: 120 FBI Agents Raid the University of > Idaho (Who is next?) > From: Prof. Elizabeth Brandt from Univ. of Idaho > > Well, yesterday was an exciting day in my small > town. The FBI flew in 120 > agents, fully armed in riot gear, on two C-17 > military aircraft (I think > -- they were BIG planes) to Moscow Idaho > (population 17,000 +/-) to arrest > one Saudi graduate student for visa fraud. The > raid went down in > University of Idaho student housing at 4:30 a.m. in > the morning, > terrorizing not only the suspect's family (he lived > in student > housing with his wife and three elementary school > age children) but also > the families of neighboring students who were > awakened by the shouting and > lights and were required to remain in their homes > until > after 8:30 a.m. > > At least 20 other students who had the misfortune > to either know the > suspect or to have some minor immigration > irregularities were also > subjected to substantial, surprise interrogations > (4+ hours) although none > were detained or arrested yesterday. Now, however, > a witch hunt for > additional unarmed suspects who supposedly helped > the guy who was arrested > is on. > > The INS and FBI are working together using Gestapo > tactics to question the > students -- threatening their immigration status > (and hence their > education) if they don't answer questions which are > really > aimed at the criminal investigation. They have also > threatened their > partners and spouses with perjury charges if they > don't talk. I spent > yesterday working with our immigration clinic > director and local criminal > defense attorneys to organize legal representation > for the students who > are being swept into the hunt for co-conspirators. > We have reached out to > our entire area (40 -mile radius) to find enough > attorneys. Now I'm working on getting resources and > support to them. The > Saudi government is providing financial support. > > Reading about this stuff is one thing. Having it > in your backyard is > another. The international students at the > University of Idaho are > terrorized and scared. > > Elizabeth Barker Brandt > Professor > University of Idaho College of Law __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:09:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: POETS with Blogs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" oh yes, ok: that last post of mine, as a backchan correspondent prompts me to add, was not directed at anyone specifically, and was not trying to unpack a retro impulse, exactly... or at least, not one that i don't share... when i wrote no, i don't always feel like getting off my ass, either... i meant to include mself in my remonstrance (if that's what it was)... i think we need to dwell more on purpose, whether it's around here or over there someplace... i think i need to get off *my* ass and start a blog and see what's what (though i can't just now)... yet i think we all need to dwell more on purpose (which is pretty clear when we talk about the imminent war, but less clear when we discuss poetics)... this is assuming, i mean, we *can*, "together," dwell on anything... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:46:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Noam Scheindlin Subject: SUBLET IN NYC, THIS SUMMER Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, If you need to be in New York this summer this is a nice place to be. I'm going away for the month of June and the first half of July, and am offering my apartment for sublet. It's a studio apartment with a separate kitchen on the third and top floor, clean and quiet with views of well-tended gardens, on a beautiful street in GREENPOINT, Brooklyn. It's 2 blocks from the subway, and I'll include use of my one-speed bike in the deal. You can go on the roof. There's a computer with internet access, lots of books, and other things. Plant-watering required (will train). Please email me at nonoam@mindspring.com, or call me at (718) 389-9487 Thanks, Noam Scheindlin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:44:39 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Panel: U.S. Must Capitalize On Post-War Iraq Misery Long-Term Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Panel: U.S. Must Capitalize On Post-War Iraq Misery Long-Term: Entire Iraqi Population Will Have to Be 'Detained' For A Brief Period Cheney Reveals By KEAN GUNNERHARM Assassinated Press Writer March 12, 2003, 4:57 AM EST They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:22:10 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: john chris jones Subject: Re: John Chris Jones - check out - In-Reply-To: <1047514532.1014112.0@deliverance.acsu.buffalo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hello Alan, Thank you for recommending my website! The comma at the end of the website address should be a full stop (or period). The corrected version is http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk . good wishes john chris >Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:36:25 -0500 >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >Sender: UB Poetics discussion group >From: Alan Sondheim >Subject: John Chris Jones - check out - >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >(this is the site of John Chris Jones - like his work a great deal - Alan) > > >http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk/2.2/whats_new.html . > >They can receive 'daffodil' (the monthly newsletter of what's new at >my 'public writing place' http://www.softopia.demon.co,uk ) by >sending an email (with 'subscribe' in the subject line) to >jcj@softopia.demon.co.uk. > >I don't send out the newsletter unsolicited. > >good wishes > >john chris >(a double first name, as is quite common in Wales.) > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:56:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: "Relief Not Bombs" Group Responds to Florida MOAB Test Comments: cc: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable "Relief Not Bombs" Group Responds to Florida MOAB Test (Gothic News Service, 3/12/03) Ashington, the small Florida community next to yesterday=B9s MOAB (Massive Ordinance Air Blast) test site on which the Air Force exploded an 18,000 pound bomb became the center of actions by a group known as the Banana Relief Collective. The MOAB - which is considered almost as "as good" as a= n atomic bomb - is designed to send a devastating wave of fire over hundreds of yards to kill troops and civilians, flatten trees, destroy buildings and take out significant portions of cities. These potential effects were not lost on the shattered nerves of the Ashington community. About 20 Banana Collective Relief members arrived in the village shortly after the bomb=B9s detonation. Each Member =AD mostly in their twenties and early thirties - was easily and somewhat humorously identifiable by a conical-shaped, single banana leaf hat, carefully held together by a white and lavender pen inscribed with the words, "Relief Not Bombs." The Collective=B9s members =AD each standing besides shoulder-high stacks of banana leaves on several of Ashington=B9s downtown corners =AD generously offered to make and put hats on each of the local adults and children. In a= n hour=B9s time, the streets, local groceries, ice cream and coffee shops were filled with the sight of a wave of bobbing green hats as citizens worked t= o dispell MOAB=B9s intense vibrations and aftershocks. (Gothic News Services=B9 Google investigation of healing oriented web sites revealed that the banana leaf is, in fact, alleged to absorb heat and anxiety among traumatized populations.) One of the most popular distribution sites was the parking lot outside the local drugstore where the pharmacist, Dale Rogers, reported a huge run on Kaopectate. "Incidents of diarrhea are epidemic and affect every age," he reported. "There is also a run on tranquilizers. People are almost too nervous to count their change. Maybe the banana leaves will work just as good as the pills." "We welcome the efforts of the Banana Relief Collective," a Public Health Services Officer announced to a small gathering of reporters. Without elaborating, he continued, "We realize a Government bomb of this size sends all of us =AD including the Iraqis - a message. Anything this group with its banana leaf hats can do to absorb the current epidemic of psychic apprehension, terror and physical fear this Administration=B9s plans for war is deeply appreciated." Banana Relief Members =AD as is apparently their custom =AD refused to take questions from reporters and offered no web site contact information. One Ashington citizen, pushing back on the top of his hat cone, publicly spoke out against the test. "First it=B9s the election that turns Florida upside down. I still don=B9t know if that was legal or not, but this is worse. First we are maybe cheated, and now the President permits the Air Force to practically drop a bomb on us. Don=B9t they have any sense of decency, consideration or respect?" As evening darkened, and the supply of banana leaves was exhausted, Collective members disappeared as quietly as they arrived. No one at the White House or Elgin Air Force Base claimed to have information on the grou= p or whether or not the Collective has plans to go to work in a similar manne= r in Iraq and Baghdad. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:30:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. 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From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) March 12, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000315.html#000315 CIRCULATE > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There were some glitches in the notifications sent from the blog so some of you were receiving tons of repetitive emails from us... sorry. New policy: no emails from Circulars unless it's cumulative accounts like the following list of new stories (or if the house is on fire). News: the site has been averaging about 2,000 hits a day, sometimes peaking at 3,000+. It also has a search engine. I'll be rearranging the categories and such things to make it more cogent. Thanks to all of you who have appreciative emails about the site, and apologies if some of the links and stories sent in have not made it up in a timely fashion. Please try to pass this email on to friends of yours who want to test our eclectic mix of plagiarized news stories, tasteless political humor, the most obtuse (but best) political poetry out there and a really, really lively comments section -- I highly recommend perusing through it. Following is a list of some of the items from the present homepage. I'm too tired right now to write anything more than this bland preamble but so be it. Take care. Letter of Resignation by John H. Brown, Foreign Service Officer http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000314.html#000314 To: Secretary of State Colin Powell March 10, 2003 Dear Mr. Secretary: I am joining my colleague John Brady Kiesling in submitting my resignation from the Foreign Service (effective immediately) because I cannot in good conscience support President Bush's war plans against Iraq. BAGHDAD SNAPSHOT ACTION: Court Appearance http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000313.html#000313 So, Emilie and Lytle, who were arrested for posting pictures of Iraqis in Soho, will have their day in court tomorrow morning at the Criminal Court of Manhattan. The Baghdad Snapshot Action Crew will be their to support them. You should show up with your friends and support them too. Info below... Charles Bernstein: Enough! http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000312.html#000312 In these difficult times, let us not draw away from our poetics in an attempt to redress the ominous possibilities of future U.S. government policies or the onerous effects of current government policies. As poets, we need to pursue our own forms of ethical and aesthetic response rather than engage in the sort of pronouncement by fiat and moral presumption of President Bush and his partisans. UPI: Pentagon Papers Leaker Seeks Leaks on Iraq http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000311.html#000311 WASHINGTON -- Daniel Ellsberg, who in 1971 leaked the Pentagon Papers, on Tuesday called on government officials to leak documents to Congress and the press showing the Bush administration is lying in building its case against Saddam Hussein. Gothic News: New Bush Portrait Found Hanging Upside Down from Mount Rushmore http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000307.html#000307 (Gothic News Service, 3/10/03) Early Sunday morning visitors to Mount Rushmore reported that they were astonished to find they could not look up the 5,725-foot mountain and see the 60-foot high carved stone heads of U.S Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Instead, they found themselves looking at a large painted portrait of President Bush hanging upside down on a cable stretched several hundred feet between the barely exposed foreheads of Lincoln and Washington. Salt Publishing: 100 Poets Against The War http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000301.html#000301 The most talked-about and successful ebook of recent years is published here for the first time in paperback. “100 Poets Against The War,” a trilogy of downloadable electronic chapbooks was first published online on January 27, 2003 and has since made world-wide news from the LA Times to the Moscow dailies. This book holds the record for the fastest poetry anthology ever assembled and disseminated; first planned on January 20, 2003 and published in this form on March 3, 2003. Russell Mokhiber: Ari & I http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000288.html#000288 [One of the nice features of commondreams.org are the postings by Russell Mokhiber of his unedited interactions with White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer during the daily press briefings. Here's the latest one.] Doug Rokke: Depleted Uranium, the War Against Ouselves (interview) Traprock Peace Center http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000286.html#000286 QUESTION: Any viewer who saw the war on television had the impression this was an easy war, fought from a distance and soldiers coming back relatively unharmed. Is this an accurate picture? ROKKE: At the completion of the Gulf War, when we came back to the United States in the fall of 1991, we had a total casualty count of 760: 294 dead, a little over 400 wounded or ill. But the casualty rate now for Gulf War veterans is approximately 30 percent. Of those stationed in the theater, including after the conflict, 221,000 have been awarded disability, according to a Veterans Affairs (VA) report issued September 10, 2002. Gothic News: Burning Man Festival Site in Protest Ritual http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000291.html#000291 (Gothic News Service, 3/9/03) Two Rangers at Black Rock Desert – the annual site in Nevada for the Burning Man Festival - were greeted by a strange vision this morning. Talking to a Reno newspaperman, one of the Rangers reported, "It was sunrise across the playa and we were on our first patrol. When we looked down from the perimeter ridge, we initially saw an astonishingly large grid of either body or garbage bags. Through our binoculars, against the rising sun, we could still see that they were definitely filled - it could have been potatoes or anything big and lumpy. Each bag was spaced about 30 feet away from the next one - about 50 parallel lines going north and south, and about 40 going east and west. The whole thing made a large rectangular space, about a mile long and a kilometer wide. Frankly I can’t say if was just spooky, or both spooky and spectacular, to see all those black bags begin to get the first rays of the sun." rabble.ca: A Better Idea [Excerpted from an article by Judy Rebick recently posted on rabble.ca, a Canadian alternative online media source. rabble.ca has a special anti-war coverage section as well, featuring great articles, columnists, and events around Canada.] from A Better Idea by Judy Rebick: The Lysistrata Project, one of the many anti-war actions sweeping the globe, reminds us that women’s opposition to war goes back a long way in human history. While I am glad to see a revival of the ancient comedy of women refusing sex to men if they go off to war, I would a prefer a more modern version of women’s resistance. How about a story where women form a global non-violent army and rise up against the men in power? USA Today's Tips for American Tourists http://www.arras.net/circulars/ A survey in the February issue of Conde Nast Traveler states that according to a recent Gallup poll, a declining number of Americans (54% today vs. 79% a year ago) believes that the USA enjoys a favorable image abroad. Further, a majority of Americans (64%) cite a fear of unfriendliness as the top concern of traveling abroad during wartime. Currency War http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000261.html Many analysts believe that the real reason for the upcoming US war on Iraq is the Bush administration's goal of preventing further Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) movement toward the euro as an oil transaction currency standard (Iraq has already made the switch). As long as oil is traded predominantly in US dollars, it's easier for the US to maintain economic control over world oil reserves. Following are links to a number of stories on this subject... Joshua Clover: What Is Called Violence http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000260.html#000260 [This is largely in response to Keston's Short Critique of Pacifism. I am making a new post rather than a comment since in part I hope to use this as a sort of informal poll on a specific question (at the end of this post). All links open new window] Keston's critique is a concise and articulate distillation of a long and long-elaborated debate. I admire it for that, and I should say that I also agree with its central beliefs. It has two lacunae worth talking about, which I hope will lead from its abstract clarity to a pragmatic discussion of direct action tactics. Ron Silliman: On The Social Mark Symposium http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ [I'd like to reproduce Ron Silliman's recent post on The Social Mark symposium on Circulars but it's proving to hard to format, so I advise going to his blog to read the post -- which goes on to consider Ginsberg and various aspects of affect and content in "political" poetry -- in its entirety.] "Like its cousin ambiguity, empathy is something that is exceptionally difficult to communicate in any function of life, let alone a poem. It is absolutely not possible in a text that seeks agreement, or which seeks to demonize anyone..." The Observer: Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security Council members http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000254.html#000254 [A useful reminder, perhaps, that the new possibilities for organized resistance presented by better communications technology are at the same time new possibilities for the defense of imperialism. -- Keston Sutherland] The United States is conducting a secret 'dirty tricks' campaign against UN Security Council delegations in New York as part of its battle to win votes in favour of war against Iraq. Details of the aggressive surveillance operation, which involves interception of the home and office telephones and the emails of UN delegates in New York, are revealed in a document leaked to The Observer. A Mini-Anthology of Anti-War Poems [Taken from Enough! from O Books] http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000253.html#000253 Rod Smith TED’S HEAD So there’s this episode of Mary Tyler Moore where Ted’s trying to get a raise & after finagling and shenaniganizing he puts one over on Lou & gets his contract changed to non-exclusive sos he can do commercials which is not cool WI Lou & the gang because Ted’s just a brainless gimp & it hurts the image of the news to have the anchorman selling tomato slicers & dogfood so Lou gets despondent because the contract can’t be rescinded but then he gets mad & calls Ted into his office & says, you know his voice, “You’re going to stop doing commercials, Ted” & Ted says “why would I do that Lou?” & Lou says ‘Because if you don’t I’ll punch your face out” & Ted says “I’ll have you arrested” & Lou says “It’ll be too late, your face will be broken, you’re not gonna get too many commercials with a broken face now are you Ted?” & Ted buckles under to force & everybody loves it that Lou’s not despondent anymore he’s back to his brustling chubby loud loveable whiskey-drinking football-loving ways. Now imagine if Ted were Lou, if Ted were the boss. You know how incredibly fucking brainless Ted is, but let’s imagine he understands & is willing to use force. That’s the situation we’re now in as Americans. U.S. Diplomat John Brady Kiesling: Letter of Resignation http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000245.html#000245 [The following is the text of John Brady Kiesling's letter of resignation to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. Mr. Kiesling is a career diplomat who has served in United States embassies from Tel Aviv to Casablanca to Yerevan.] Dear Mr. Secretary: I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal. Scott Pound: The Other War That's in the Works http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000238.html#000238 [Scott Pound has been posting to the Buffalo Poetics List a running diary of his time in Turkey which I will start posting here also. If I get inspired I'll go back and pick up some of the prior ones.] 2.27.03, 13:00, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey A former student of mine who recently graduated came back to campus to see me the other day. He was making the rounds announcing his impending marriage. Delighted for him, I said, “Congratulations! When?” He looked down at his feet for a few seconds and when he looked back up at me all the happiness had left his face. “I don’t know,” he said. “We will wait.” Standing between him and married life is 8-16 months of compulsory military service, and potentially an extended period of conflict in the region, conflict in which he may be personally involved. He thinks a U.S. invasion of Iraq would just be the beginning. He’s probably right. ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." http://rabble.ca/everyones_a_critic.shtml?sh_itm=593a76151ffe0657cbe586 0c119a8079&r=1 -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.21 http://www.movabletype.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:32:14 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Circulars -- new stories, links, etc. (and apologies for spamming) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There were some glitches in the notifications sent from the blog so some of you were receiving tons of repetitive emails from us... sorry. New policy: no emails from Circulars unless it's cumulative accounts like the following list of new stories (or if the house is on fire). News: the site has been averaging about 2,000 hits a day, sometimes peaking at 3,000+. It also has a search engine. I'll be rearranging the categories and such things to make it more cogent. Thanks to all of you who have appreciative emails about the site, and apologies if some of the links and stories sent in have not made it up in a timely fashion. Please try to pass this email on to friends of yours who want to test our eclectic mix of plagiarized news stories, tasteless political humor, the most obtuse (but best) political poetry out there and a really, really lively comments section -- I highly recommend perusing through it. Following is a list of some of the items from the present homepage. I'm too tired right now to write anything more than this bland preamble but so be it. Take care. Letter of Resignation by John H. Brown, Foreign Service Officer http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000314.html#000314 To: Secretary of State Colin Powell March 10, 2003 Dear Mr. Secretary: I am joining my colleague John Brady Kiesling in submitting my resignation from the Foreign Service (effective immediately) because I cannot in good conscience support President Bush's war plans against Iraq. BAGHDAD SNAPSHOT ACTION: Court Appearance http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000313.html#000313 So, Emilie and Lytle, who were arrested for posting pictures of Iraqis in Soho, will have their day in court tomorrow morning at the Criminal Court of Manhattan. The Baghdad Snapshot Action Crew will be their to support them. You should show up with your friends and support them too. Info below... Charles Bernstein: Enough! http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000312.html#000312 In these difficult times, let us not draw away from our poetics in an attempt to redress the ominous possibilities of future U.S. government policies or the onerous effects of current government policies. As poets, we need to pursue our own forms of ethical and aesthetic response rather than engage in the sort of pronouncement by fiat and moral presumption of President Bush and his partisans. UPI: Pentagon Papers Leaker Seeks Leaks on Iraq http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000311.html#000311 WASHINGTON -- Daniel Ellsberg, who in 1971 leaked the Pentagon Papers, on Tuesday called on government officials to leak documents to Congress and the press showing the Bush administration is lying in building its case against Saddam Hussein. Gothic News: New Bush Portrait Found Hanging Upside Down from Mount Rushmore http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000307.html#000307 (Gothic News Service, 3/10/03) Early Sunday morning visitors to Mount Rushmore reported that they were astonished to find they could not look up the 5,725-foot mountain and see the 60-foot high carved stone heads of U.S Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln. Instead, they found themselves looking at a large painted portrait of President Bush hanging upside down on a cable stretched several hundred feet between the barely exposed foreheads of Lincoln and Washington. Salt Publishing: 100 Poets Against The War http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000301.html#000301 The most talked-about and successful ebook of recent years is published here for the first time in paperback. “100 Poets Against The War,” a trilogy of downloadable electronic chapbooks was first published online on January 27, 2003 and has since made world-wide news from the LA Times to the Moscow dailies. This book holds the record for the fastest poetry anthology ever assembled and disseminated; first planned on January 20, 2003 and published in this form on March 3, 2003. Russell Mokhiber: Ari & I http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000288.html#000288 [One of the nice features of commondreams.org are the postings by Russell Mokhiber of his unedited interactions with White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer during the daily press briefings. Here's the latest one.] Doug Rokke: Depleted Uranium, the War Against Ouselves (interview) Traprock Peace Center http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000286.html#000286 QUESTION: Any viewer who saw the war on television had the impression this was an easy war, fought from a distance and soldiers coming back relatively unharmed. Is this an accurate picture? ROKKE: At the completion of the Gulf War, when we came back to the United States in the fall of 1991, we had a total casualty count of 760: 294 dead, a little over 400 wounded or ill. But the casualty rate now for Gulf War veterans is approximately 30 percent. Of those stationed in the theater, including after the conflict, 221,000 have been awarded disability, according to a Veterans Affairs (VA) report issued September 10, 2002. Gothic News: Burning Man Festival Site in Protest Ritual http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000291.html#000291 (Gothic News Service, 3/9/03) Two Rangers at Black Rock Desert – the annual site in Nevada for the Burning Man Festival - were greeted by a strange vision this morning. Talking to a Reno newspaperman, one of the Rangers reported, "It was sunrise across the playa and we were on our first patrol. When we looked down from the perimeter ridge, we initially saw an astonishingly large grid of either body or garbage bags. Through our binoculars, against the rising sun, we could still see that they were definitely filled - it could have been potatoes or anything big and lumpy. Each bag was spaced about 30 feet away from the next one - about 50 parallel lines going north and south, and about 40 going east and west. The whole thing made a large rectangular space, about a mile long and a kilometer wide. Frankly I can’t say if was just spooky, or both spooky and spectacular, to see all those black bags begin to get the first rays of the sun." rabble.ca: A Better Idea http://rabble.ca/everyones_a_critic.shtml?sh_itm=593a76151ffe0657cbe5860c119 a8079&r=1 [Excerpted from an article by Judy Rebick recently posted on rabble.ca, a Canadian alternative online media source. rabble.ca has a special anti-war coverage section as well, featuring great articles, columnists, and events around Canada.] from A Better Idea by Judy Rebick: The Lysistrata Project, one of the many anti-war actions sweeping the globe, reminds us that women’s opposition to war goes back a long way in human history. While I am glad to see a revival of the ancient comedy of women refusing sex to men if they go off to war, I would a prefer a more modern version of women’s resistance. How about a story where women form a global non-violent army and rise up against the men in power? USA Today's Tips for American Tourists http://www.arras.net/circulars/ A survey in the February issue of Conde Nast Traveler states that according to a recent Gallup poll, a declining number of Americans (54% today vs. 79% a year ago) believes that the USA enjoys a favorable image abroad. Further, a majority of Americans (64%) cite a fear of unfriendliness as the top concern of traveling abroad during wartime. Currency War http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000261.html Many analysts believe that the real reason for the upcoming US war on Iraq is the Bush administration's goal of preventing further Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) movement toward the euro as an oil transaction currency standard (Iraq has already made the switch). As long as oil is traded predominantly in US dollars, it's easier for the US to maintain economic control over world oil reserves. Following are links to a number of stories on this subject... Joshua Clover: What Is Called Violence http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000260.html#000260 [This is largely in response to Keston's Short Critique of Pacifism. I am making a new post rather than a comment since in part I hope to use this as a sort of informal poll on a specific question (at the end of this post). All links open new window] Keston's critique is a concise and articulate distillation of a long and long-elaborated debate. I admire it for that, and I should say that I also agree with its central beliefs. It has two lacunae worth talking about, which I hope will lead from its abstract clarity to a pragmatic discussion of direct action tactics. Ron Silliman: On The Social Mark Symposium http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ [I'd like to reproduce Ron Silliman's recent post on The Social Mark symposium on Circulars but it's proving to hard to format, so I advise going to his blog to read the post -- which goes on to consider Ginsberg and various aspects of affect and content in "political" poetry -- in its entirety.] "Like its cousin ambiguity, empathy is something that is exceptionally difficult to communicate in any function of life, let alone a poem. It is absolutely not possible in a text that seeks agreement, or which seeks to demonize anyone..." The Observer: Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war Secret document details American plan to bug phones and emails of key Security Council members http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000254.html#000254 [A useful reminder, perhaps, that the new possibilities for organized resistance presented by better communications technology are at the same time new possibilities for the defense of imperialism. -- Keston Sutherland] The United States is conducting a secret 'dirty tricks' campaign against UN Security Council delegations in New York as part of its battle to win votes in favour of war against Iraq. Details of the aggressive surveillance operation, which involves interception of the home and office telephones and the emails of UN delegates in New York, are revealed in a document leaked to The Observer. A Mini-Anthology of Anti-War Poems [Taken from Enough! from O Books] http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000253.html#000253 Rod Smith TED’S HEAD So there’s this episode of Mary Tyler Moore where Ted’s trying to get a raise & after finagling and shenaniganizing he puts one over on Lou & gets his contract changed to non-exclusive sos he can do commercials which is not cool WI Lou & the gang because Ted’s just a brainless gimp & it hurts the image of the news to have the anchorman selling tomato slicers & dogfood so Lou gets despondent because the contract can’t be rescinded but then he gets mad & calls Ted into his office & says, you know his voice, “You’re going to stop doing commercials, Ted” & Ted says “why would I do that Lou?” & Lou says ‘Because if you don’t I’ll punch your face out” & Ted says “I’ll have you arrested” & Lou says “It’ll be too late, your face will be broken, you’ re not gonna get too many commercials with a broken face now are you Ted?” & Ted buckles under to force & everybody loves it that Lou’s not despondent anymore he’s back to his brustling chubby loud loveable whiskey-drinking football-loving ways. Now imagine if Ted were Lou, if Ted were the boss. You know how incredibly fucking brainless Ted is, but let’s imagine he understands & is willing to use force. That’s the situation we’re now in as Americans. U.S. Diplomat John Brady Kiesling: Letter of Resignation http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000245.html#000245 [The following is the text of John Brady Kiesling's letter of resignation to Secretary of State Colin L. Powell. Mr. Kiesling is a career diplomat who has served in United States embassies from Tel Aviv to Casablanca to Yerevan.] Dear Mr. Secretary: I am writing you to submit my resignation from the Foreign Service of the United States and from my position as Political Counselor in U.S. Embassy Athens, effective March 7. I do so with a heavy heart. The baggage of my upbringing included a felt obligation to give something back to my country. Service as a U.S. diplomat was a dream job. I was paid to understand foreign languages and cultures, to seek out diplomats, politicians, scholars and journalists, and to persuade them that U.S. interests and theirs fundamentally coincided. My faith in my country and its values was the most powerful weapon in my diplomatic arsenal. Scott Pound: The Other War That's in the Works http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000238.html#000238 [Scott Pound has been posting to the Buffalo Poetics List a running diary of his time in Turkey which I will start posting here also. If I get inspired I'll go back and pick up some of the prior ones.] 2.27.03, 13:00, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey A former student of mine who recently graduated came back to campus to see me the other day. He was making the rounds announcing his impending marriage. Delighted for him, I said, “Congratulations! When?” He looked down at his feet for a few seconds and when he looked back up at me all the happiness had left his face. “I don’t know,” he said. “We will wait.” Standing between him and married life is 8-16 months of compulsory military service, and potentially an extended period of conflict in the region, conflict in which he may be personally involved. He thinks a U.S. invasion of Iraq would just be the beginning. He’s probably right. ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:06:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: MOAB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MOAB wer u frm bklyn oic u nadine wer u frm your asl pls 20/m/phillipines u wer manila MOAB wer mother ov al bombs wat MOAB asl pls can i have ur asl nadine hello asa sad ni oiz ahehhehe hallo MOAB hello nadine still ther ur asl pls MOAB now/mm/irak dcc MOAB === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:07:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: <^MOAB^> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII <^MOAB^> ^[[1;31mu^[[0m^[[1;37mi^[[1;31mu^[[0m Starting logfile IrcLog IRC log started Wed Mar 12 22:43:10 2003 ^[[1;31mu^[[0m^[[1;37mi^[[1;31mu^[[0m Value of LOG set to ON ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it's this factor.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it's the MOAB factor.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m our speaking here.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m our listening here.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m in the undernet in the underground.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m not trying to romanticize this...^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it's all we have unless we take more.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m the ceiling is obdurate.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m nothing is available.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB erases all that is available.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m listen to MOAB.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it is the only station shortwave.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it is the only station tv.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it is the station of annihilation.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it is annihilation to the limit.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m the insistence of MOAB.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m the factor which cannot be factoredin.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m drowning out listening.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m burning out speaking.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m it is medieval.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB absolute.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB creates all that is available.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB is all that is available.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB is station station.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB is factor factor.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m not trying to romanticize this...^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m underground in undernet.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m applying to no one.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m an impossible leverage.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m minimum MOAB once a week.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m maximum MOAB once a day.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m annihilation after the limit.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m meaningless annihilation.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m elimination of meaning.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m enlightenment minimum MOAB.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m maximum MOAB of paradise.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m incessant imminent.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m insistent imminant.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m anniihilation listening.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB speaking.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m MOAB absolute.^[[0m ^<^[[0malansond^>^[[0m not trying to romanticize this...^[[0m IRC log ended Wed Mar 12 22:51:07 2003 === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:29:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: MB Quotation Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Terrific piece, MWP. And I'm not even a Blanchot fan. 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[[ ]] ce he has begu invades > a man once he has begun speak. ibe the pain that invades a man once he > has begun to speak. has b s begun to spe as begun to speak. peak. gun to > sp nvades a man once he has begun to speak. to speak. o speak. k. ak. > > > -mwp > > ------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 22:21:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: Antin quotation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can anybody remind me of where David Antin says "From the modernism you choose you get the postmodernism you deserve"? It's not in either of those two early 70s articles as I thought it was....a talk piece, I suspect--& I know Marjorie Perloff has cited it somewhere--but where's the source? ---------- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor University of Nevada-Las Vegas Department of English 4504 Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89154-5011 (702) 895-3623 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:25:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Weblogs Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit About a month ago I started a weblog which I titled -fait accompli- it is at http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ I do think that many writers who post frequently to the list would enjoy Having a weblog. I was uncomfortable with the idea since, as most of you know, I am have been a fairly regular lurker on this list, and especially since 9/11 a fairly frequent contributor to the list, over 100 posts in the past year or so. I felt blogging would somehow be disloyal to the list. Actually, the two work together very well, in my opinion. There's really no reason why the solitary blogger cannot also enjoy the public soapbox atmosphere of the poetics list. At the present time a weblog is free and does not take too much technical know how, though a veteran and a great blogger, Laura, who hosts Laurable, helped me with some of the technical things, since I am very impatient with this kind of stuff. Probably your kid or your nephew or niece could set you up in an hour if you want one. The key to the effectiveness of blogging has a lot to do with Google. When you check listings under your own name in Google you find out who has connected with your writing instantly. When Google recently purchased Pyra Labs, the company that hosts blogspots, this search capability was widened. If you are seriously interested in connecting with other writers and serious readers, blogging might be very attractive. Obviously, no single media is of interest to everyone. Brian Kim Stefans is a great example of someone whose blogging work is becoming more and more exciting and important by the day. He has progressed from having a great little print magazine -Arras- to having a web magazine, to having a personal blog and now -Circulars-, a weblog that is getting hits every day in the thousands ,and also offers a personal email service where bulletins are regularly mailed to you directly. He has become an important publisher when he can barely find the money to keep himself in tacos. On his own, Brian is having a strong political effect and connecting with thousands of people every day. What's not to like? Gary Sullivan and Ron Silliman, two veteran editors and publishers were supportive of my interest in blogging. Gary suggested I have a clear idea of what I wanted to do. I connected this, as I often do with writing, to coming up with a title. The name -fait accompli- occurred to me and it clicked. I came up with the idea of continuing the work I started in my book -Theoretical Objects- published in 1999 by Green Integer. That book was based on my interest in the literary journal form, which I have been interested in since the 60's. The first one I loved was that of the Italian writer Cesare Pavese. Since I was also interested in maxims and aphorisms, I searched for journals by writers whose maxims I began to copy out and read and reread. One of the writers who kept popping up was Paul Valery. A spate of unemployment in the 70's gave me a chance to read Valery's work uninterrupted for about 6 months. Now I was intensely passionate about journal writing and literary fragments. Douglas Messerli, who published my first book of poems, noticed this interest and when he started Green Integer books, a project that focuses on literary journals, asked me for a book of my "theoretical objects." Since he always seem to enjoy titling my books I used this phrase as the title. There are still some copies left. (Is this considered shameless self-promotion? Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn). When I learned about blogging soon I realized that I could pick up where -TO- left off. My blog focuses on journal writing past and present. I have also included letters sent to me, poems I think others might be interested in, comments on poets, poetics, installation art and films which I like to comment on so other people can check them out. There is a moment to moment communicative, yet self searching and introspective aspect that has always attracted me to journals, books of letters, fragments and brief comments and aphoristic asides by writers. I like the way Valery, Anais Nin, Kafka, Pavese, Andre Gide, Ned Rorem, Allen Ginsberg, Hazlitt, William Burroughs, Marcus Aurelius, Emerson to name a few are open and spontaneous yet self searching, even self confronting and also express cultural observations and insights in their diaries and literary journals, as in their essays. Another writer who has popularized this sort of writing tremendously is Walter Benjamin in his Arcades Project. Quotation is a big part of this sort of journal writing. Writers like Forster and Wallace Stevens and Virgina Woolf have kept great and useful commonplace books and diaries. There is a sense of being right there with them in the moment far in the past that I whimsically refer to as "time travel." Blogging seems to fit in with this all of this in a comfortable way because blogging is geared to fragments and brief comments or essays. You feel that you are having a personal moment with a writer in the past when you read their journals, a similar feeling you might get in reading blogs like those of Stephanie Young, Nada Gordon, David Hess, Kasey Silem Mohammmad (a writer familiar to list readers), Marianne Shaneen, Gary Sullivan, Ron Silliman, Jordan Davis, Jonathan Mayhew, Joe Massey or Jimmy Behrle and others. Their is a continuum from the most introspective, such as Stephanie's or Jordan's, or that of David Hess and the most journalistic,like Ron Silliman and Gary Sullivan. Some,like Jonathan Mayhew provide a daily map to their thoughts about poetry. Mayhew also reads and writes in Spanish. The amazing Heriberto Yepez, who recently read at the Drawing Center, has two blogs, one in Spanish and one in English, and lives in Tijuana. He links with writers all over Mexico and elsewhere. Others, like Marianne Shaneen focus on their interests in contemporary film or recent experimental video or the fact that this morning at 9:30 am Lytle Shaw and Emilie Clark go before a judge for the heinous crime of posting some photos of Iraqis on a wall littered with other posters Get all the details right now on Marianne Shaneens blog Froth. (All these bloggers are listed on my links at the blogspot address above of -fait accompli-.) These bloggers, by the way, are located all over the country, so in a few minutes of reading you have traveled to Brooklyn ,Boston, Kansas, San Francisco,Tijuana, Mexico or elsewhere. You get local poetry news or the weather or what the job situation is like or where you might like to give a reading and how many people go. Jim Behrle might interview Maria Damon and find out what she is cross-stitching these days. Or he'll interview Gabe Gudding on his audio blog,a listee poet who has just read in Jim's reading series in Boston. I've gotten to know so many people in one month of blogging, just as you do when you are reading the list. But blogging seems to encourage more letter writing back channel. The other exciting aspect of blogging is that your can publish directly. You don't need to wait until someone takes an interest in your ideas or thoughts or project. The similarity with the poetics list that I like most of all is the dailiness of it. But unlike the list, if someone wants to complain about what you say or what you write or have written they can do it on their own blog. There is a links section where you can recommend other blogs. Bloggers on the whole, with a few exceptions, seem to try to avoid arrogant confrontations, although the angry types lately seem to be sniffing around in blogland. They don't seem to like the mostly humorous and relaxed atmosphere of blogland. The mostly casual approach used by bloggers seems to annoy the hell out of these angry confrontational types who want to fight or yell about what they feel. I suggest if this is what you enjoy most, stay here on the list or go get a good job in academia where debating and academic controversy is considered to be part of the heart of good scholarship. Blogging is apparently not useful for this type of activity. People who like to argue a lot need an audience and the audience for your blog is not immediately present like they are on the list, where you can follow the argument and respond directly, quickly and clearly. In summary, blogging is an indirectly interactive alternative media of great interest to those who are bored or sick of mainstream media. But it is useful only to those who can comfortably tolerate the views of others who are blogging on a daily basis nearby, and who might benefit from the unique combination of solitary writing and reading and simultaneous expanded connections with others that this medium favors. By the way, no two post limit! [-fait accompli- loves letters!] -Nick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:10:28 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAY DREAMS 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE E CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE E CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE U PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE E CE PE CE ACE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE S LIBERTY EQU ITY FREEDOM OF SPEECH CIAFBICIAFBICIAFBIXXXXXXXXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE E CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE E CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXXX PE E PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE S PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE PE PE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE XXXX PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE PE CE U XXXX RESOLUTIONVETO1RESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTIONRESOLUTION911X Peace between spies. JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:49:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Re: Inquiry re U Idaho raid In-Reply-To: <200303130457.UAA29412@sparkie.humnet.ucla.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Flora: All I can do is steer you to a March 10, 2003 _SF Chronicle_ story at . I'm sure that Prof. Brandt is extremely busy right now, but she does teach at the U. of Idaho Law School and so shd be relatively easy to reach. / Walter >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:22:19 -0800 >From: flora fair >Subject: Re: FBI Invades University in Moscow--Idaho > >Talk about overkill. >I'm really interested in this b/c it ties into >research I'm doing about the "war on terrorism." If >it's ok, I'd like to ask you a few things: >Was there any public declaration about the situation >by the government or the media? >Has the man formally been charged? Is he accused of >falsifying his own visa, or others'? > >Thanks, > Flora > >--- "Walter K. Lew" wrote: >> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:03 PM >> Subject: 120 FBI Agents Raid the University of >> Idaho (Who is next?) >> From: Prof. Elizabeth Brandt from Univ. of Idaho >> >> Well, yesterday was an exciting day in my small >> town. The FBI flew in 120 > > agents, fully armed in riot gear, on two C-17 >> military aircraft (I think >> -- they were BIG planes) to Moscow Idaho >> (population 17,000 +/-) to arrest >> one Saudi graduate student for visa fraud. The >> raid went down in >> University of Idaho student housing at 4:30 a.m. in >> the morning, >> terrorizing not only the suspect's family (he lived >> in student >> housing with his wife and three elementary school >> age children) but also >> the families of neighboring students who were >> awakened by the shouting and >> lights and were required to remain in their homes >> until >> after 8:30 a.m. >> >> At least 20 other students who had the misfortune > > to either know the >> suspect or to have some minor immigration >> irregularities were also >> subjected to substantial, surprise interrogations >> (4+ hours) although none >> were detained or arrested yesterday. Now, however, >> a witch hunt for >> additional unarmed suspects who supposedly helped > > the guy who was arrested >> is on. >> >> The INS and FBI are working together using Gestapo >> tactics to question the >> students -- threatening their immigration status >> (and hence their >> education) if they don't answer questions which are >> really >> aimed at the criminal investigation. They have also >> threatened their >> partners and spouses with perjury charges if they >> don't talk. I spent >> yesterday working with our immigration clinic >> director and local criminal >> defense attorneys to organize legal representation >> for the students who >> are being swept into the hunt for co-conspirators. >> We have reached out to >> our entire area (40 -mile radius) to find enough >> attorneys. Now I'm working on getting resources and >> support to them. The >> Saudi government is providing financial support. >> >> Reading about this stuff is one thing. Having it >> in your backyard is >> another. The international students at the >> University of Idaho are >> terrorized and scared. > > > > Elizabeth Barker Brandt > > Professor > > University of Idaho College of Law ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:14:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Syracuse Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Like eyes, closing dawn with rolling credits feels like the birds never sleep, but go on like water eating the present out of crystal Syracuse and all; the flames are different this morning: blocky, impounded, like cigarettes, stinging whips of smoke that circle the cat stiff with warm regard. I lift night from the streets and from the aspiration of pavement, just so you, worried I might accidentally shut the alarm off on the clock, can tick my hope off on a round nomadic pitch. It looks like this code travelled well into the unbearable, rebelling against a logic that keeps those in power who have already paid their taxes, and fail the silky veins of transubstantiation; or fade along the railings like a memory of smoke. 2003/03/13 05:57:07 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:15:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: waiting for those bombs to rain again Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sky today has ridges like muscles peeled from softer bones that have been lying around in your eyes for quite some time. I'm quiet, quite in my hole, wholly immersed in waiting for those bombs to rain again. It's my only baptism, and when I walk the streets those who have accepted Jesus as their personal savior know it; they can smell the desperation in my clothes, and watch me hungily. 2003/03/11 14:20:05 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:02:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: VORTEXT #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit VORTEXT #0001 EXCERPT shod and shod lonely he had shod and shod lonely he had shod and shod lonely he had often seemed to be articulating to often seemed to be articulating to often seemed to be articulating to was allowed to show itself to was allowed to show itself to was allowed to show itself to him when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there spoilt he be quiet spoilt fifteen - too which was the of his him when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there when they had eaten and and were be unlikely fail the man it there spoilt he be quiet spoilt fifteen - 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tobacconist's once got time bamboo union the workhouse at last me videotex offspring all the shod a dream offspring all the shod a dream offspring all the shod a dream tobacconist's once got time bamboo to cry. tobacconist's once got time bamboo union the workhouse at last me videotex offspring all the shod a dream offspring all the shod a dream offspring all the shod a dream tobacconist's once got time bamboo to cry - tobacconist's once got time bamboo union the workhouse at last me less he was not decision function from he was not decision function from he was not decision function from say so much - my name is milsom, he said i have say so much - soon to be there were three by thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and reformation looks like a but it out still transmit the with reformation looks like a but it owing the the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate yes i youngster it cataract yes i allow i am now out of breath it is yes i youngster it cataract yes the properties too and the by thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and reformation looks like a but it out still transmit the with reformation looks like a but it owing the the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate yes i youngster it cataract yes i allow i am now out of breath it is yes i youngster it cataract yes the properties too and the by thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and thousand this order was repeated and reformation looks like a but it out still transmit the with reformation looks like a but it owing the the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate the lapels of the other's immaculate yes i youngster it cataract yes i allow i am now out of breath it is yes i youngster it cataract yes the properties too and the the sexton's waited a rudimental rendering and optimization rudimental rendering and optimization rudimental rendering and optimization poniard would have poniard emptied the for her firing- tongue tongue tongue tie handsome started off tie dissemble the sexton's waited a rudimental rendering and optimization rudimental rendering and optimization rudimental rendering and optimization poniard would have poniard emptied the for her automatic but prove do you sergeant automatic but prove do you sergeant automatic but prove do you sergeant being gait to stay with me now huge very system as i've said the being gait to stay with me now table - 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young willowes was. young willowes was - characteristics in addition each diagnostic characteristics in addition each he feigned deep sleep and shortly and the most linearally way of the large the most linearally way of the large the most linearally way of the large ascendancy over me do you suggest she should have ascendancy over me do you suggest anterior images collected on and to be down and after some do as she wished so a nice to be down and after some casserole are not bold since on all there was once a young willowes was - young willowes was. young willowes was - characteristics in addition each diagnostic characteristics in addition each he feigned deep sleep and shortly and the most linearally way of the large the most linearally way of the large the most linearally way of the large ascendancy over me do you suggest she should have ascendancy over me do you suggest anterior images collected on and father-in-at other after two days the at other after two days the at other after two days the when i was a what is he going they crossed the mound and passed when i was a what is he going him at the madeleine this would never good-night then turning are p-the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then crow-for her to me up rather than for me the master has only one and he cannot crow-for her to me up rather than for me fail is the very warm for me, said semiconductors however a are p-the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then crow-for her to me up rather than for me the master has only one and he cannot crow-for her to me up rather than for me fail is the very warm for me, said semiconductors however a are p-the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then the vision for a moment then crow-for her to me up rather than for me the master has only one and he cannot crow-for her to me up rather than for me fail is the very warm for me, said semiconductors however a they had a and showed you a fantastic russia and and showed you a fantastic russia and and showed you a fantastic russia and jove --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 04:07:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentic guild Subject: muse apprentice guild MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear everybody, i want to tell you some good things about the m.a.g. first: the spring deadline is approaching so please send me your new work as soon as possible if you send it right away that would be even better second: the m.a.g. is now showing up on the syllabi of professors teaching modern fiction and new media communications third: i am now being invited by professors to be a guest speaker in their classes to talk about the m.a.g. fourth: the university of san diego is sponsoring its first literary festival - the participants in this festival are exclusively contributors to the m.a.g. - this event will be streamed live on the internet there will be m.a.g. writers and poets reading their work at the event and m.a.g. writers and poets reading their work online which will be streamed to the live audience this event is scheduled for november 2003 fifth: the m.a.g. now has bureaus in 10 countries where i have co-editors gathering work from all over the world which i am publishing in both the original language and english translation sixth: if you have a writer friend whose work is not represented in the m.a.g. please send me his or her email address everybody i am particularly enthusiastic about writers whose work resists categorization and writers who have been undeservedly overlooked this is not to say that i ban well-known writers :) so please send me the email addresses of your literary friends seventh: thank you for helping me to make the m.a.g. the literary quarterly that i envision - your writing inspires me as and editor and writer eighth: i am getting interns now to help me so don't worry everybody about inundating me with your work and the work of your literary friends infinite blessings, august highland www.muse-apprentice-guild.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:57:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Vite Vite Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit our usual reliable reliable sources inform us that Amer. troops are massing on the borders of La Belle France As further proof of American imperial adventurism.. after some 'awe'shucks bombing they are poised to retake Euro Disney & steal all a God's chillum's pommes frites... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: After.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit apres la guerre tra la la apres la tra la la apres guere la la apres la la apres la apres tra la la tra... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:30:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Emilie & Lytle in German Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just came across a good article on the arrest of Emilie Clark and Lytle=20= (they do get that name wrong) Shaw published with specific reference to=20= today's court appearance in this morning's edition of the German daily=20= _Die Tageszeitung_ -- here it is for those who have some german: Eine Nacht auf drei Wachen Wie man in New York unliebsame Friedensaktivisten schikaniert: Heute=20 stehen der Autor Lyte Shaw und die K=FCnstlerin Emilie Clark vor Gericht Die Besorgnis derjenigen Amerikaner, die unter Patriotismus nicht den=20 Beifall f=FCr den Kriegskurs der Bush-Regierung verstehen, w=E4chst.=20 Meinungsfreiheit ist das eine, aber Schikane und schlecht nachweisbarer=20= Boykott sind das andere. Heute stehen der Autor Lyte Shaw und die=20 K=FCnstlerin Emilie Clark wegen illegalen n=E4chtlichen Plakatierens vor=20= Gericht. Lyte Shaw und Emilie Clark geh=F6ren zu einer Gruppe von rund = 50=20 Leuten, die vor der gro=DFen Friedensdemonstration am 15. Februar in=20 Manhattan Fotos vom Alltagsleben in Bagdad klebten. Die Bilder stammen=20= von Paul Chan, einem Fotografen, der mit dem Iraq Peace Team von=20 Dezember bis Januar in Bagdad war. Ziel der Plakataktion war, wie die=20 beiden schreiben, "unsere baldigen Opfer einfach als Menschen zu=20 zeigen". W=E4hrend des Plakatierens wurden Shaw und Clark von drei Polizisten=20 gestellt. Nat=FCrlich ist illegales Plakatieren auch in New York nur = eine=20 Ordnungswidrigkeit. Doch obwohl die beiden sich ausweisen konnten,=20 wurden ihnen Handschellen angelegt, und sie wurden zur Feststellung=20 ihrer Personalien aufs n=E4chstgelegene Revier verfrachtet. Nur eine=20 Formalit=E4t, die eine Stunde dauern sollte. Auf dem Revier wurden sie in getrennten Zellen eingesperrt und mussten=20= zwei Stunden warten, bis ihre Papiere gepr=FCft waren. Um halb zwei Uhr=20= morgens wurde ihnen mitgeteilt, dass die Maschine f=FCr die=20 Fingerabdr=FCcke nicht funktioniere, weswegen sie auf ein anderes Revier=20= gebracht werden m=FCssten. Dort konnten ihnen in einer langwierigen=20 Prozedur von wenigstens einer Stunde endlich die Fingerabdr=FCcke=20 abgenommen werden, woraufhin sie wieder ins erste Revier=20 zur=FCckverfrachtet wurden. Von hier aus mussten die Informationen nach=20= Albany geschickt und erneut =FCberpr=FCft werden. Wieder eine Formalit=E4t= =20 von nur einer Stunde Dauer, nach der sie einen Gerichtstermin bek=E4men=20= und gehen k=F6nnten, falls keine Haftbefehle gegen sie vorl=E4gen. Aber = um=20 f=FCnf Uhr morgens waren die beiden noch immer eingesperrt und in=20 Handschellen. Schlie=DFlich bekam Lyte Shaw seinen Gerichtstermin, aber=20= Emilie Clark, die im siebten Monat schwanger ist, wurde weiterhin=20 festgehalten. Nur auf insistierendes Nachfragen kam heraus, dass ihre=20 Fingerabdr=FCcke misslungen waren. Sie wurde nun, obwohl die beiden = gegen=20 diese Behandlung protestierten, auf ein drittes Polizeirevier gebracht,=20= wo sie erneut erkennungsdienstlich behandelt wurde. Zwei Stunden=20 sp=E4ter, um sieben Uhr morgens, wurde auch sie endlich entlassen. W=E4hrend der ganzen Zeit wurden die beiden auf den verschiedenen=20 Polizeidienststellen heftig bearbeitet, ja nicht zur=20 Friedensdemonstration zu gehen. Zun=E4chst fanden die Beamten, dass eine=20= schwangere Frau, die sie zwar die ganze Nacht wach halten und=20 schikanieren durften, dort ein viel zu gro=DFes Risiko eingehe, verletzt=20= zu werden. Dann erw=E4hnten sie mehrmals, dass das Gas Maze eingesetzt=20= werden w=FCrde. Das ist f=FCr eine schwangere Frau nat=FCrlich eine = ungeheuer=20 beruhigende Information. Aber Einsch=FCchterung geh=F6rt inzwischen zum=20= amerikanischen Alltag. Und das trifft Hollywood-Stars wie=20 Normalsterbliche." WBG taz Nr. 7003 vom 13.3.2003, Seite 16, 102 Zeilen (TAZ-Bericht), WBG ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a = crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere = Else. c: 518 225 7123 =09 o: 518 442 40 85 = -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:48:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wouldnt identify this as a quality specific to blogs. You can do the same thing with web pages, webzines, wikis, pdfs, mp3s, cds, xerox books & zines, newsgroups, mimeo, mailart, letterpress, graffiti, email lists, spam ... I would be very wary of thinking of blogs as all of a sudden liberating a part of the poetic consciousness which has not had a means of distribution. I suppose it is true that writers who are bloggers have liberated an aspect of their own thinking about being responsible for making their ideas available. Im kinda reminded of the excitement surrounding using BBSs in the late 80s were a lot of non-digital people were focussed on a previously unknown meme. mIEKAL On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 01:25 AM, Nick Piombino wrote: > > > The other exciting aspect of blogging is that your can publish > directly. You > don't need to wait until someone takes an interest in your ideas or > thoughts > or project. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:04:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: <05E4275D-5552-11D7-AE90-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Excellent insight, Miekal. Thank you, brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of miekal and > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 7:48 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Weblogs > > I wouldnt identify this as a quality specific to blogs. You can do the > same thing with web pages, webzines, wikis, pdfs, mp3s, cds, xerox > books & zines, newsgroups, mimeo, mailart, letterpress, graffiti, > email lists, spam ... I would be very wary of thinking of blogs as > all of a sudden liberating a part of the poetic consciousness which has > not had a means of distribution. I suppose it is true that writers who > are bloggers have liberated an aspect of their own thinking about being > responsible for making their ideas available. Im kinda reminded of the > excitement surrounding using BBSs in the late 80s were a lot of > non-digital people were focussed on a previously unknown meme. > > mIEKAL > > > > > On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 01:25 AM, Nick Piombino wrote: > > > > > > > The other exciting aspect of blogging is that your can publish > > directly. You > > don't need to wait until someone takes an interest in your ideas or > > thoughts > > or project. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:18:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "R. Drake" Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: <05E4275D-5552-11D7-AE90-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit you're right miekal, there's nothing new about the technical ability to publish directly. but it's the ~social reception~ of that publication form that's important... consumption, not production. you & i both know the second-class status afforded xerox publications. although functioning in a different arena, blogs have at least a momentary legitimacy at least in some poetic communities... stemming largely, i believe, from ron's adoption of the form. lbd, ex, burning press on 3/13/03 7:48 AM, miekal and at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > I wouldnt identify this as a quality specific to blogs. You can do the > same thing with web pages, webzines, wikis, pdfs, mp3s, cds, xerox > books & zines, newsgroups, mimeo, mailart, letterpress, graffiti, > email lists, spam ... I would be very wary of thinking of blogs as > all of a sudden liberating a part of the poetic consciousness which has > not had a means of distribution. I suppose it is true that writers who > are bloggers have liberated an aspect of their own thinking about being > responsible for making their ideas available. Im kinda reminded of the > excitement surrounding using BBSs in the late 80s were a lot of > non-digital people were focussed on a previously unknown meme. > > mIEKAL > > > > > On Thursday, March 13, 2003, at 01:25 AM, Nick Piombino wrote: > >> >> >> The other exciting aspect of blogging is that your can publish >> directly. You >> don't need to wait until someone takes an interest in your ideas or >> thoughts >> or project. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:20:20 -0500 Reply-To: devineni@rattapallax.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Organization: Rattapallax Subject: Big NYC World Poetry Day Event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DIALOGUE THROUGH POETRY / WORLD POETRY DAY FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Prominent Poets and High School Students Celebrate World Poetry Day in New York City and Read Poems About Peace. CONTACT: Ram Devineni, Program Coordinator 1-212-560-7459 / 1-212-723-4125 or devineni@dialoguepoetry.org Renowned poets Robert Creeley, Marilyn Hacker, Vijay Seshadri, Grace Schulman, Amiri and Amini Baraka join High School students from around the world to celebrate UNESCO's World Poetry Day and the United Nation's "Dialogue Among Civilizations" on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 8:00 PM at Mason Hall, Baruch College, 17 Lexington Ave. at 23rd St. in New York City. The event is free and open to the public. In addition, UN Ambassadors will also read their poems. High School students from around the world were asked to write poems about the United Nations and how it can foster peace in these troubling times. The free competition was organized by the CCNY Poetry Outreach Center, which has hosted the Spring Poetry Festival for over 30 years, Rattapallax magazine, and Baruch College Performing Arts Center. The New York City winners include Katarzyna Kozanecka from Stuyvesant High School and Mohammed Abbasi from Brooklyn Technical High School. Also, prominent women poets will join Swami Ramananada for a reading dedicated to the United Nations' Declaration on the "Elimination of All Forms of Violence Against Women" on March 20, 2003 at 8:00 PM at the New York Open Center, 83 Spring Street, New York City. Some of the featured poets include Veronica Golos, Haale, Maria Terrone, D.H. Melhem, Flavia Rocha, Elaine Schwager, Daniela Gioseffi, Ruth Nolan, and many others. The reading coincides with a three-day program organized by Nela Rio at St. Thomas University, Fredericton, Canada. Robert Creeley has published more than sixty books of poetry in the United States and abroad, including Just in Time: Poems 1984-1994. His honors include the Lannan Lifetime Achievement Award, the Frost Medal, the Shelley Memorial Award, a National Endowment for the Arts grant, a Rockefeller Foundation grant, and fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation. Marilyn Hacker is the author of nine books, including Presentation Piece, which received the National Book Award in 1975. Her Selected Poems was awarded the Poets' Prize in 1996. She now lives in New York and Paris, and is director of the M.A. program in English literature and creative writing at the City College of New York. Vijay Seshadri was born in India and lives in Brooklyn, NY. Graywolf Press published a collection of his poetry, Wild Kingdom. He is Chair, Writing Program in Non-Fiction at Sarah Lawrence College. Grace Schulman's The Paintings of Our Lives, was released by Houghton Mifflin in February, 2001. She is Poetry Editor of the Nation, and former director of the Poetry Center, 92nd Street Y. Amiri Baraka's wrote the play the Dutchman, which won an Obie Award for "best off-Broadway play" and was made into a film. In 1983, he and Amina Baraka edited Confirmation: An Anthology of African-American Women, which won an American Book Award and in 1987 they published The Music: Reflections on Jazz and Blues. Amiri Baraka's literary prizes and honors include fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation and the National Endowment for the Arts, the PEN/Faulkner Award, the Rockefeller Foundation Award for Drama, and the Langston Hughes Award. For more information about the program please visit http://www.dialoguepoetry.org - - # - - ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:22:31 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: chicanery and badly provable boycott MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Babel Fish translation of the German article on Lytle & Emilie: One night on three guards As one in New York unpleasant peace activists chicanes: Today the author Lyte Shaw and the artist Emilie Clark before court stand The concern that American, which do not understand the applause for the war course of the Bush government by Patriotismus, grows. Liberty of opinion is one, but chicanery and badly provable boycott are the other one. Today the author Lyte Shaw and the artist Emilie Clark stand because of illegal nocturnal Plakatierens before court. Lyte Shaw and Emilie Clark belong to a group of approximately 50 people, which stuck before the large peace demonstration on 15 February in Manhattan photo of the everyday life life in Bagdad. The pictures come from Paul Chan, a photographer, who was with the Iraq Peace team from December to January in Bagdad. A goal of the poster action was, like the two writes to show "our imminent victims simply as humans". During the Plakatierens Shaw and Clark were placed by three policemen. Naturally illegal Plakatieren is also in New York only one irregularity. But although the two could prove themselves, them handcuffs were put on, and they were shipped for the statement of their particulars on the nearest district. Only one formality, which should take one hour. On the district they were locked up in separate cells and had to wait two hours, until their papers were examined. Around half two o'clock was communicated to them in the morning that the machine for the finger marks does not function, why they would have to be brought on another district. There in a lengthy procedure from at least one hour the finger marks could be finally decreased to them, whereupon they were back-shipped again in the first district. From here the information had to be sent to Albany and again examined. Again a formality of only one hour of duration, after which they would get and go could gerichtstermin, if no warrants of arrest were present against them. But at five the two were still locked up o'clock in the morning and in handcuffs. Finally Lyte Shaw got its gerichtstermin, but Emilie Clark, which is more schwanger in the sieved month, was further held. Only on insistierendes inquiring it came out that their finger marks had failed. It was brought now, although the two protested against this treatment, on a third police station, where it was again recognition-officially treated. Two hours later, at seven o'clock in the morning, also it became to finally dismiss. During the whole time the two were violently worked on on the different police stations not to go to the peace demonstration. First the officials that a pregnant woman woman, whom awake they were allowed to keep and chicane the whole night is received there a much to large risk, found to be hurt. Then they mentioned several times that the gas Maze would be used. That is natural for a pregnant woman woman monsters reassuring information. But intimidation belongs in the meantime to the American everyday life. And meets Hollywood star as would normal-bleach." WBG ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:45:48 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Blair Proposes Surrender Conditions for Saddam Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Blair Proposes Surrender Conditions for Saddam By DAFFY DICH-LIPPEN The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." 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Balagan! March 13 @ 7:30PM "Language is a virus..." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 07:44:58 -0500 > From: Balagan Experimental Film and Video Series > To: Balagan Experimental Film and Video Series > Subject: Reminder: Tonight! Balagan! March 13 @ 7:30PM "Language > is a virus..." > > Dear Folks, > > This is just a REMINDER that > Tonight, Thursday, March 13 @ 7:30PM, at the Coolidge Corner > Theatre, > Balagan presents "Language is a virus..."(W.S. Burroughs). > Relationships between the language and mind, between geometric > figures > or patterns of letters on screen and their meaning as well as > mystery, > inventiveness, misunderstanding, subtlety, emotion... The works in > this > program explore the power of human language in cognitive, artistic, > and > visual sense. Featured artists include Janie Geiser, Jeanne C. > Finley > and John Muse, Henry Hills, Owen Land, Takahiko Iimura, Peter Rose, > Alberto Roblest. > > We look forward to seeing you at the show! > > Regards, > > Alla & Jeff > Balagan Curators > http://www.coolidge.org/balagan > ------------------------------------------------ > DATE: Thursday, March 13, 2003 > TIME: 7:30PM > WHAT: "Language is a virus..."(W.S. Burroughs) > WHERE: The Coolidge Corner Theatre 290 Harvard st. Brookline, MA > COST: tickets are $5.50 > http://www.coolidge.org/balagan/text_spring2003.html > > I U E O N N Six Features 7min, 16mm, 1994 > Director: Takahiko Iimura > > Combining the comical and the absurd, I created six funny faces, > which > were manipulated by System G (Real time texture mapping developed > by > Sony), to animate the visual images of Japanese vowels in Japanese > and > Roman alphabet. The concept is developed from Jacques Derrida's > "Differance" in which the difference of "image," "letter" and > "voice" > works in space and movement. Thus six images of "AIUEONN" differ > and > delay with the letters and the voices, creating an example of > multiculturalism. (T.I.) > > Iimura deconstructs our coherence as he shifts between the English > Roman > alphabet and Japanese characters, injects spoken Japanese and > manipulates the computer images of his features. The images often > take > on geometrical shapes, others recall the classical images from > Japanese > woodcuts of a Samurai warrior grimace.-- Robert West, Curator, Mint > Museum of Art > > Takahiko Iimura has been a pioneer artist of Japanese experimental > film > and video, working in film since l960 and with video since 1970. He > is > also a widely established international artist, having numerous > exhibitions in Japan, the USA, and in Europe. One of his early > films, > "Onan", was awarded Special Prize at the legendary Brussels > International Experimental Festival, l964. Recently he has been > involved > in using the computer, publishing multimedia CD-ROMs/DVDs combining > film, video, graphics, text, and animation. > http://www2.gol.com/users/iimura/home2.html > > Secondary Currents 16min, video, 1983 > Director: Peter Rose > > Secondary Currents is a film about the relationships between > the mind and language. Delivered by an improbable narrator who > speaks > an > extended assortment of nonsense, it is an "imageless" film in which > the > shifting relationships between voice-over commentary and subtitled > narration > constitute a peculiar duet for voice, thought, speech, and sound. > A > kind of > comic opera, the film is a dark metaphor for the order and entropy > of > language and has been the subject of a number of articles on the > use of > > language in the arts. Percussion is by Jim Meneses. > > Rose' s works in film, video, installation, and performance have > received > extensive national and international exhibition, including shows at > the > Whitney Museum and the Museum of Modern Art, the Centre Pompidou, > the > Yokohama Museum of Art, and recent exhibition at both the Rotterdam > International Film Festival and the Film Society of Lincoln Center. > His > works > have been the subject of a number of articles on contemporary media > art > and > are included in several major international collections. Roseâ€ôs > films > and > videos are engaged with issues of perception, language, time, and > mythos > and > have led to the generation of new cinematic structures, > improvisations > in > fictitious language, and the invention of obscure journeys. > > Remedial Reading Comprehension 12min, 16mm, 1992 > Director: Owen Land > > Two kinds of material are used: 1) Material in the tradition of the > "psycho-drama" or "personal film"; 2) Material of the sort used in > industrial, educational, or advertising film. Questions are raised > about > the necessity of using acceptably "artistic" material to make a > work of > art, as well as about the relationships between "personal" and > "impersonal" works. > > "One of the ways that REMEDIAL READING COMPREHENSION works is in > the > degree of filmic distance which each image has in the film. > Distance > here refers to the degree of awareness on the part of the viewer > that > the image he is watching is a film image, rather than 'reality.' > [Land's] film does not try to build up an illusion of reality, to > combine the images together with the kind of spatial or rhythmic > continuity that would suggest that one is watching 'real' people or > objects. It works rather toward the opposite end, to make one aware > of > the unreality, the created and mechanical nature, of film." - Fred > Camper, Film Culture > > The Red Book 11min, 16mm, 1994 > Director: Janie Geiser, Sound Design by Beo Morales, engineered at > Harmonic Ranch. > > THE RED BOOK is an elliptical, pictographic animated film that uses > flat, painted figures and collage elements in both two and three > dimensional settings to explore the realms of memory, language and > identity from the point of view of a woman amnesiac. THE RED BOOK > suggests the ways in which language defines us, and reaches back > into > dismemberment myths about the creation of different tongues through > the > breaking apart of bodies (in this case, the woman's body). As the > film > progresses, the submerged images of her stored memory appear and > collide > with the present world in circular rhythms, and there is a sense of > irretrievable loss. > > Read an article about Janie Geiser at > http://www.fredcamper.com/Film/Geiser.html > > "Images appear as in a graceful collage: glimpses of words are > written > in white vanishing ink; a woman is drawn in outline, as if she were > a > paper doll made of red construction paper. Everything is red, > white, > black, or gray in this smashing little film, which has graphic > flair and > a surrealistic edge." - Caryn James, The New York Times > > Janie Geiser isan internationally recognized filmmaker and theater > artist whose work is known for its sense of mystery, its detailed > evocation of self-contained worlds, and its strength of design. Her > work > has been shown nationally and internationally, and she has been > recognized with numerous awards, including an Obie Award, a > Guggenheim > Fellowship, a Creative Capital grant and a 2002 Rockefeller > Fellowship > in film. Geiser has also made a significant contribution to the > field of > contemporary puppet theater through her innovative original theater > works. She began making films in 1990, first as an element of her > performance work, and then as a separate form. Since that time, > Geiserís > films have been shown at the Whitney Museum of American Art, the > Guggenheim Museum, and the Museum of Modern Art. > http://www.freewaves.org/festival_2002/artists/geiser_j.htm > > Language Lessons 9min, video, 2002 > Director: Jeanne C. Finley and John Muse In collaboration with > Pamela Z > > Language Lessons entwines the search for the fountain of youth with > the > dream of a common language. The fountain both promises and > frustrates > eternity, while this dream offers hope for common ground. The > lessons, > made vivid by watery, elemental images and multiple voices, suggest > that > communication remains at the limits of our imagination. > > Jeanne C. Finley is a California-based independent video producer. > Through the use of true stories set in an experimental documentary > form, > her videoworks explore the tension between individual identity and > the > cultural and social institutions that both shape and affront that > identity. In 1990, she received a Fulbright Fellowship to travel to > Yugoslavia, where she directed programs for Radio/TV Belgrade. She > is > currently an artist-in-residence in Istanbul, Turkey, through a > grant > from the Lila Wallace Readersí Digest Foundation. > > Plagiarism 10min, 16mm, 1981 > Radio Adios 12min, 16mm, 1992 > Director: Henry Hills > > Plagiarism: A raw documentary of the New York "language poets" in > their > milieu, with Bruce Andrews and Charles Bernstein (co-editors of > L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E), James Sherry and Hanna Weiner. > > Radio Adios : Starring: Hannah Weiner, Diane Ward, Sally Silvers, > Jemeel > Moondoc & Muntu, Aline Mayer, Jackson MacLow, Abigail Child, > Charles > Bernstein, Bruce Andrews and Rashied Ali on drums, with George > Kuchar as > a Maoist revolutionary. > > A superabundance of useless information effectively subdues freedom > of > speech. Condense and survive! RADIO ADIOS is a monologue in 12 > plaited > strands; an extremely precise, condensed and intensely rhythmic > Busby > Berkeleyish spectacle of an examination of conversational and > literary > language over a fair range of vocal timbre, microphones, volume > settings > and single-system sync peculiarities and its dissolution into music > to > the accompaniment of simultaneous Manhattan ambiences punctuated by > fragments of jazz ... personalized handheld camera movement, > movement > from cut to cut - juxtapositions of scale, pulsating changes in > light > intensity, a varying pallette of various filmstocks, generations, > etc., > at an appropriately furious pace and in strict one-track sync ... > offering simultaneously several levels of apprehension or > interpretation > to encourage multiple viewings. Text published in O.ARS/3: > Translations > (Cambridge, 1983). > > Born in Atlanta, Georgia (USA), Henry Hills has made 22 short > experimental films since 1975 which have been shown in numerous > festivals around the world. Hills received his B.A. in English from > Washington & Lee University. He was a conscientious objector during > the > Viet Nam war. From 1977-80, Hills edited CINEMANEWS, a West Coast > film > journal. Throughout his career he has been active as a curator, > organizing programs at Anthology Film Archives, Millennium, > Collective > for Living Cinema, Roulette, Segue and various clubs and galleries. > Upon > moving to New York in 1978 he began an association with the > "Language" > poets and with the first generation Downtown improvised music > scene. > MONEY (1985) documents these movements of the early 80s with an > all-star > artist cast, while simultaneously developing parallel formal > innovations. One of the densest sync-sound films ever made (2500 > "scenes" in 15 min), MONEY, which remains entertaining today, was > the > culmination of a string of radically formal investigatory studies > (PLAGIARISM and RADIO ADIOS) into the possibilities of sound/image > sync. > He has recently finished editing the Austrian documantary feature > IN THE > MIRROR OF MAYA DEREN. http://www.henryhills.com > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > BALAGAN Series info and Description:The Balagan Experimental Film & > Video Series at the Coolidge Corner Theatre, is a year-round > bi-monthly > film series that has been exhibiting and promoting local & > international > short experimental films & videos since 2000. The mission of > Balagan > Experimental Film & Video Series is to promote truly independent > local > artists whose work is rarely exhibited in Boston and to present the > fascinating genre of experimental cinema to a diverse and growing > local > audience. Over the last three years, the Balagan series has > nurtured an > exciting community of filmmakers and film lovers that have come to > depend on the series to bring them high quality, progressive and > challenging programming every time they come to the theatre.Balagan > is > unique in that it is organized and run by two local filmmakers, > Alla > Kovgan and Jeff Silva. Having struggled to find venues to exhibit > our > own works, we are proud and excited to be part of a thriving > community > of artists and are honored to contribute the Balagan series to the > growth of the New England film > community.http://www.coolidge.org/balagan > > Balagan is funded in part by the Massachusetts Cultural Council > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:08:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Creeley at Toledo Museum of Art, Friday March 10 @ 7 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Creeley appears at the Toledo Museum of Art Little Theater, = Friday, March 10, 7-8 PM, as part of the SPLENDID PAGES: THE WALTER & = MOLLY BAREISS COLLECTION OF MODERN ILLUSTRATED BOOKS exhibition and = program. The focus is on the dozens of collaborations between Creeley = and painters, photographers and printmakers. Friday, March 28, 7 PM, Tim Barrett, Director, University of Iowa Center = for the Book, presents a lecture/demonstration on the history and = aesthetics of handmade paper. Friday, April 11, 7 PM, Martha Wlson, Director of the Franklin Furnace = Archive [NYC], Lynne Avadenka, book artist and professor of printing & = book arts at the College of Creative Studies [Detroit], and Pati Scoby, = Ann Arbor book artist, discuss "Contemporary Artists Books: the Creators = and the Collections." SPLENDID PAGES runs till May 11 and =20 Additional info: www.toledomuseum.org; email: = information@toledomuseum.org. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:29:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Fwd: A Manual for Intellectual Survival Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-546318924 --Apple-Mail-7-546318924 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Useful, especially Mourid Barghouti's piece, as the Iraq war provides a=20= solid smokescreen for what is going on in Palestine. -- Pierre Begin forwarded message: > From: "Autodafe.org" > Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:21:50 AM US/Eastern > To: > Subject: A Manual for Intellectual Survival > > > A Manual for Intellectual Survival. > > On the eve of a new war, autodafe.org is going on with the publication=20= > of a series of articles about the unprecedented forms that censure and=20= > propaganda are wearing today, as well as the new means and networks of=20= > intellectual, literary and linguistic resistance. > > > Letter to my granddaughter on the eve of another war, > by Russell Banks > War butlers and their langage, > by Mourid Barghouti > Bush's America, or Big Brother lives and thrives, > by Edward S.Herman > > > Visit also the usual rubrics: > - the anti-bookshop > - the press review > - the dossier Palestine > - the Cities of Asylum news > > =A0 > > To be removed from this mailing-list, send an empty message to:=20 > unsubscribe-autodafe@spliolist.com > > =A0 > > =A0 > > Un Manuel de Survie Intellectuelle > > > =C0 la veille d'une nouvelle guerre, autodafe.org poursuit la=20 > publication d'une s=E9rie d'articles sur les formes in=E9dites que=20 > prennent aujourd'hui la censure et la propagande, mais aussi les=20 > moyens et les r=E9seaux nouveaux de la r=E9sistance intellectuelle,=20 > litt=E9raire, linguistique. > > > Lettre =E0 ma petite-fille =E0 la veille d'un nouvelle guerre, > par Russell Banks > Les majordomes de la guerre et leur langage, > par Mourid Barghouti > Dans l=92Am=E9rique de Bush, Big Brother se porte bien, > par Edward S.Herman > > Consultez aussi les rubriques habituelles: > - l'anti-librairie > - la revue de presse > - le dossier Palestine > - l'actualit=E9 des Villes Refuges > > =A0 > > =A0 > > Pour vous d=E9sinscrire de cette liste de diffusion, envoyez un = message=20 > vide =E0 : desabonnement-autodafe@spliolist.com > > =A0 > > > --Apple-Mail-7-546318924 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > --Apple-Mail-7-546318924 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ --Apple-Mail-7-546318924-- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:31:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Fwd: boycott escalating gas prices Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this sounds good, no?? ---noah >Subject: Fw: THIS COULD WORK! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Join the resistance!!!! > > > > > > > >I hear we are going to hit close to $3.00 a gallon by the summer. >Want > > > >gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, >united > > action. > > > > > > > >Phillip Hollsworth, offered this good idea: This makes MUCH MORE >SENSE > > > >than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going >around > > > >last April or May! > > > > > > > >The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't > > > >continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of >an > > > >inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever >thought > > > >of this idea, has come up with a plan that can really work. > > > > > > > >Please read it and join with us! > > > > > > > >By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is >super > > > >cheap. Me too! It is currently $1.97 for regular unleaded in my town. > > > >Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us >to > > > >think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50-$1.75, we >need > > to > > > >take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the >marketplace. > > > >not sellers. > > > > > > > >With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need >to > > > >take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come >down > > > >is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! > > > >And we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. > > > >How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. >But >we > > > >CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a >price > > war. > > > > > > > >Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY >gasoline > > > >from the two biggest companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. >If > > > >they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their > > > >prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to > > > >follow suit. > > > > > > > >But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon >and > > > >Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't whimp out on >me > > at > > > >this point. keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach > > > >millions of people!! > > > > > > > >I am sending this note to about thirty people. If each of you send it >to > > > >at least ten more (30 x 10 = 300) and those 300 send it to at least >ten > > > >more (300 x 10 = 3,000) . and so on, by the time the message reaches >the > > > >sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION > > consumers! > > > > > > > >Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people and DON'T >purchase > > ANY > > > >gasoline from EXXON and MOBIL. That's all. > > > > > > > >How long would all that take? If each of us sends this email out to >ten > > > >more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could > > > >conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you >didn't > > > >think you and I had that much potential, did you! Acting together we >can > > > >make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this >message > > on. > > > > > > > >PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND >KEEP > > > >THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:38:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Possible "Shock & Awe" Candlelight Procession MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Possible "Shock & Awe" Candlelight Procession at Washington Mall (Gothic News, 3/13/03) A t a first time, private meeting in Washington, D.C= . is said to be now taking place between a group called the "Light Sculpture Collective" and Leaders of the Peace Movement. The meeting with the artists is to consider emergency proposals for a "Shock & Awe" Candle Light Procession to take place on the Capitol Moll this Sunday evening, March 16. At the moment rumors are cyber-flying around the globe that President Bush = =AD unilaterally and/or with a couple of other client states =ADplans early next week to launch devastating "Shock & Awe" attacks on Baghdad. The Light Sculpture Collective =AD it=B9s been learned =AD is introducing an urgent proposal to attract at least 40,000 people with "long burning" candles for a Procession to start on the grounds below the Capitol. Monitor= s will align participants in columns =AD stretching from one side of the Mall t= o the other =AD and walk West towards the Washington Monument. A central phalanx =AD 5 columns wide and 160 rows deep =AD is to be "manned" by participants who will carry 10 foot high replicas of the 800 Cruise Missiles, the number set to be unleashed on Baghdad during the opening days of the attack. The black fiberglass Missiles will symbolize attacks to be made under the cover of darkness. The Missile noses are illuminated by a re= d LED flashing out the letters "NO". The Procession will start at nightfall and begin with a ritual lighting of the candles and include a bow toward Congressional Offices that Members immediately reconsider their vote in support of the War. After walking silently to the Washington Monument, the columns will reconfigure for a Casting of the Light into the White House and, in particular, President George Bush. Each Procession member is invited to walk as close as possibl= e to the back of the White House and point and shake their candle toward the President=B9s windows. "In the manner of the President=B9s Christian faith, if 40,000 of us can get Mister Bush to take in the accumulations of light =AD the "Shock and Awe" of it =AD we will have at least a slim chance at reconfiguring his and the Pentagon=B9s plans for an Iraqi slaughter," a Light Sculpture Artist is quote= d as saying.=20 The Procession will finish with a configuring of the 800 Cruise Missiles in a circle of "NO" noses pointed in toward the Washington Monument. The Meeting is expected to reach a decision by late this afternoon. **** ***** **** Gothic News reports may be freely dispersed. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:17:45 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--notaphily MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII notaphily (noh-TAF-uh-lee) noun The collecting of paper currency as a hobby. [From Latin nota (note) + -phily (love).] "A sister branch of numismatics is notaphily viz. the collection and study of paper currency." S. Suresh; Heritage in Coins; The Hindu (Chennai, India); Aug 15, 2002. This week's theme: words about collecting and study of things. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND Enjoy seeing language mangled, abused or invented by corporations? Then visit us at http://corporatebabble.com We stalk the way business talks. ............................................................................ Courtship to marriage, as a very witty prologue to a very dull play. -William Congreve, dramatist (1670-1729) Feeling information overload? Sign off a few mailing lists. If you wish to unsubscribe from AWAD, send a blank message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with the word unsubscribe in the subject line of your message. Of course, we'd rather you stay with us. After all, it is only a `word' a day. (-: Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/notaphily.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/notaphily.ram ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:39:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Announcements Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit TOMORROW AND NEXT WEEK AT THE POETRY PROJECT *** FRIDAY MARCH 14 [9:30pm] CAVE CANEM AFRICAN-AMERICAN WRITERS GROUP READING MONDAY MARCH 17 [8:00pm] CRYSTAL WILLIAMS AND PHYLLIS WAT WEDNESDAY MARCH 19 [8:00pm] LEE ANN BROWN AND JACK KIMBALL http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html *** FRIDAY MARCH 14 [9:30pm] CAVE CANEM AFRICAN-AMERICAN WRITERS GROUP READING In 1996, poets Toi Derricotte and Cornelius Eady began a week-long summer workshop/retreat designed to counter the under-representation and isolation of African-American poets in writers' workshops and literary programs. From the beginning, Cave Canem has offered a safe haven for black poets - whether schooled in MFA programs or poetry slams - to come together to work on their craft and engage others in critical debate. Tonight's readers include Samiya A. Bashir, Michelle Courtney Berry, Tara Betts, Blue, Toni Brown, Eisa Davis, Latasha Natasha Diggs, Erica Doyle, Reggie Harris, Tonya Hegamin, Linda Susan Jackson, Tyehimba Jess, Karma Johnson, John Keene, Toni Asante Lightfoot, Dawn Lundy Martin, Ernesto Mercer, David Mills, G. E. Patterson, Shelagh Patterson, Carlo Paul, Cherise Pollard, Kate Rushin, A. Van Jordan, Bakar Wilson, Ronaldo Wilson, Yolanda Wisher, and others. MONDAY MARCH 17 [8:00pm] CRYSTAL WILLIAMS AND PHYLLIS WAT A native of Detroit, Michigan, Crystal Williams' work has been published in journals and anthologies including Ms. Magazine, Callaloo, The Indiana Review, American Poetry: The Next Generation, and Poetry Nation among others. She is a member of a generation of writers for whom assimilation, invented remembrance, and cultural responsibility have become major themes. Her first book, Kin, examines alienation, loss, and her understanding, as an African-American woman adopted by an interracial family, of sensed "otherness." Her second collection of poems, Lunatic, just released from Michigan State University Press, addresses race, class, identity and desire. One of the few contemporary performance poets who navigates the thin line between oral and written poetries, Williams is a member of the 1995 Nuyorican Slam team and has performed her work at venues such as The Whitney Museum of American Art, the Princeton/Columbia Club, and The National Arts Club. Crystal Williams is Assistant Professor of Creative Writing at Reed College in Portland, Oregon. Phyllis Wat is the author of The Fish Soup Bowl Expedition from Ten Pell Books and Shadow Blue from Hot Water Press. Writing on The Fish Soup Bowl Expedition Maureen Owen applauds: "A vernacular expedition stunning as an embroidered robe of geographies shrunk and elongated at will ... from buying fish soup bowls in Chinatown, Manhattan to ... Tienanmen Square, Phyllis Wat has us rowing with her as she dips her silk sleeves into the sea of language." On sabbatical this year she has completed an as yet untitled new manuscript. She is a founding editor of 6ix magazine (now in its twelfth year) and has received numerous awards including a poetry grant from the Pennsylvania Council on the Arts and a graduate poetry scholarship from Temple University. With a bachelor's in communications/film, Wat worked in media services and production until a stint in Beijing teaching English at Forestry University sent her back to teaching. WEDNESDAY MARCH 19 [8:00pm] LEE ANN BROWN AND JACK KIMBALL Lee Ann Brown's first full-length collection of poetry, Polyverse (Sun & Moon Press, 1999), won the New American Poetry Series Competition and her second book, The Sleep that Changed Everything, is forthcoming from Wesleyan University Press this spring. She earned her BA at Brown University in 1987, then moved to New York City where she founded Tender Buttons press which publishes innovative writing by women. Her poetry has been published in numerous journals and periodicals, including The Baffler, The Impercipient, Jacket, Java, The Chicago Review, and Verse, and was recently included in The Best American Poetry 2001 edited by Robert Hass. Lee Ann Brown performs her work internationally and works in film, video and song. She has taught at several universities in the United States including Barnard College, Bard College's Institute for Writing and Thinking, Naropa University, and Columbia University's Summer Writing Program. She is currently Assistant Professor of English at St. John's University and part of the visiting faculty at New School University's MFA Program. During the 1990s Jack Kimball lived in Japan where he initiated several web projects, including Video Tokyo and The East Village. In 2000 he returned to Boston to teach and start Faux Press. His recent books of poetry include Manship, Frosted, Nitric Oxide, and Witness Protection. A book of his short essays on poetry is due next year. Forest Gander writes: "Jack Kimball's poems are distillations, precisely juxtaposed and wildly errant, inventing the very syntax as they go." *** Unless otherwise noted, admission to all events is $10, $7 for students and seniors, and $5 for Poetry Project members. Schedule is subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery at 131 E. 10th Street, on the corner of 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Please call (212) 674-0910 for more information, or e-mail us at poproj@poetryproject.com. *** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:41:37 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: World Poetry Day In-Reply-To: <010401c2e963$4f7ea850$3e116c42@hewlettspcps5t> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, two things. 1) did my errata request not make it through? 2) I will be going into a high school next friday (World Poetry Domination Day) to do one of my Exploding Language Poetry Workshops. Would anyone be interested in doing some sort of exchange? I'm going to have 15 students for three hours. The last section of this is reserved for some sort of public reading. I don't know what I'm thinking but if you would like to hook something up with me and some kids at a high school in the eastern most city in North America ( a school where the gym became home to some of the thousands of airline travelers stranded here because of 9/11), let me know. cheers, kevin -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld:The Axis Of Weasel ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:50:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Safdie Joseph Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It's always a pleasure to read Nick Pimobino's balanced and graceful prose. Nick, were you ever influenced by Samuel Johnson? I just might have to go read your blog. Nevertheless, there are a few things in his eloquent defense of weblogs with which I'd respectfully disagree. "There's really no reason why the solitary blogger cannot also enjoy the public soapbox atmosphere of the poetics list." --- None at all, but I wasn't speaking from the perspective of the blogger, but from that of the "consumer" of such poetic information, for whom one-stop shopping at a listserv would save a lot of valuable time during the day. "At the present time a weblog is free" --- It did distress me that the metaphorical nature of my original post wasn't discerned. I know blogs are free. I was speaking of the insurance market, whose original premise was that bands of consumers could unite and lower the price (the idea behind single-payer in Canada). Individualistic and, yes, wealthy Americans who want to "choose their own doctor" have resisted such an idea in the United States. I was comparing the explosion of blogs to private insurance -- or, to use a more poetic term, Blake's Ulro, a world of individualistic egos, from which single-vision and Newton's sleep may God us keep. "The key to the effectiveness of blogging has a lot to do with Google. When you check listings under your own name in Google you find out who has connected with your writing instantly. . . . If you are seriously interested in connecting with other writers and serious readers, blogging might be very attractive." --- If I posted to a list the size of the poetics list, and people responded to my post either on the list or back-channel, would I also not know who they were? Brian Kim Stefans is a great example of someone whose blogging work is becoming more and more exciting and important by the day. . . . On his own, Brian is having a strong political effect and connecting with thousands of people every day. What's not to like? --- I absolutely agree, and applaud Brian for his *Circulars* site. Still, I don't see it as his personal blog; he actually contributes very little to it. In fact, it's more of a (dare I say it?) listserv, in that it features many different points of view and opinions and the opportunity to respond to them. It's on my Favorites menu . . . "Now I was intensely passionate about journal writing and literary fragments. . . . Douglas Messerli, who published my first book of poems, noticed this interest and when he started Green Integer books, a project that focuses on literary journals, asked me for a book . . ." --- Thanks for the tip! Most of my own writing projects start from journals, so I'll contact Doug and see if he's accepting submissions . . . (Nick goes on to state what he likes about journals, all of which I agree with. He mentions the "open and spontaneous, yet self-searching" nature of the form, and goes on to say "There is a sense of being right there with them in the moment." To my mind -- and taste -- there's no higher praise. And again, I don't want to seem repetitious, but I think that a listserv composed of a few hundred like-minded people would be an extremely effective forum for such activity. "Stephanie Young, Nada Gordon, David Hess, Kasey Silem Mohammmad (a writer familiar to list readers), Marianne Shaneen, Gary Sullivan, Ron Silliman, Jordan Davis, Jonathan Mayhew, Joe Massey or Jimmy Behrle and others." --- I've had contact with almost all of these interesting writers, and would love to have more of it. I regret that, for the most part, they no longer post to listservs except to point to their own blogs, and use most of their online activity in adding to those blogs. It really does become a question of time. If the technology allowed it, it would be wonderful to have a blog "super-site" that would list all the blogs that one was interested in -- perhaps the link would change colors once the writer added something to it, so one could go there immediately. But as it is . . . I have papers to grade! "But unlike the list, if someone wants to complain about what you say or what you write or have written they can do it on their own blog. There is a links section where you can recommend other blogs. Bloggers on the whole, with a few exceptions, seem to try to avoid arrogant confrontations, although the angry types lately seem to be sniffing around in blogland. They don't seem to like the mostly humorous and relaxed atmosphere of blogland. The mostly casual approach used by bloggers seems to annoy the hell out of these angry confrontational types who want to fight or yell about what they feel. I suggest if this is what you enjoy most, stay here on the list or go get a good job in academia where debating and academic controversy is considered to be part of the heart of good scholarship. Blogging is apparently not useful for this type of activity. People who like to argue a lot need an audience and the audience for your blog is not immediately present like they are on the list, where you can follow the argument and respond directly, quickly and clearly." --- I hope I can be excluded from categorizations such as "angry" and "arrogant." I do get upset at what I read sometimes, but hardly ever fight or yell. On the other hand, I *do* value debate -- civil debate, the kind I recently had with Kasey about something he had posted to Brian's site, or the kind I tried to inspire by responding to Charles Bernstein's statement for "Enough." To quote Billy Blake again, without contraries is no progression. Confrontation and complaint can generate a higher level of knowledge and practice. If the "mostly humorous and relaxed atmosphere of blogland" work against that, it might be one reason why I've been so slow to respond to them. I'd like to close by saying that the Buffalo List has seen more vital days. Is it because so many of the participants whose opinions I value are spending all their time blogging? Jordan Davis hosted a pretty entertaining listserv a year or so ago, and I still remember some of the discussions and debates that it contained. Maybe the Possum Pouch of Skanky Possum is more what I have in mind as a forum -- opinion and debate about matters of poetic practice that would seem central to all writers. I'll keep looking for that . . . and I'll start, Nick, with your weblog. Joe Safdie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:01:47 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: A Book For A Bomb peaceful protest against pentagon plan Comments: To: "Undisclosed Recipients"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For Immediate Release - March 13, 2003/ Please Forward A BOOK FOR A BOMB Nthposition.com announces its new global peace protest project In order to counter the Pentagon's "Shock & Awe" plan to drop over 3,000 bombs simultaneously on Iraq (often near schools, hospitals and homes) - the London-based web-site which brought its "100 Poets Against The War" instant poetry anthologies to hundreds of thousands of peace protesters across the world - now urges people in every nation to match US/UK weapons of destruction with... books. Every one in the world opposed to the US-led bombing plan is asked to put an anti-war or peace book in a window of their home, or car, or school, or workplace. A book is like a candle that never goes out. Nthposition then asks that you email them with the location and title of the book (be as specific as you want) to todd@toddswift.com and they will create a special page to map the BOOK(S) FOR A BOMB. Todd Swift, editor of Salt's 100 Poets Against The War (available at Amazon.com, profits for Amnesty International) says "it doesn't matter what the book is. We've seen the peaceful power of readers, writers and words to capture the heart of the protests over the last few weeks. We have all these books that can make a positive, not destructive impact. Rather than dropping bombs we should be lifting up words, and sharing them with our friends and neighbours. Naturally, we hope some people choose our poetry anthology - which can also be downloaded for free - or Sam Hamill's fine collection of anti-war poems - but any book will do, so long as it has an anti-war, or pro-peace, message." "We're looking forward to being delighted and surprised by what people come up with." says Nthposition publisher Val Stevenson. "After six weeks and 6 versions of our anti-war books, I'm like a peace shark - if I stop moving for peace, I'll die. So we just keep on, and hope our work inspires people's imagination and keeps peaceful poetic protest going." Now is the time to not only protest the war - but how it may very well be fought, if it can't be stopped at first. By using the symbolic - and real - power of books in a gentle demonstration that everyone in the world can participate in, Nthposition.com hopes to surprise those leaders prepared to use violence to achieve their end. Not with fiery shock and awe, but the wild, unstoppable flower of language well used. A BOOK FOR A BOMB PEACE PROJECT FOR MORE INFORMATION: Todd Swift, Editor, 100 Poets Against The War todd@toddswift.com __________________ Todd Swift Editor 100 Poets Against The War from Salt Publishing, Cambridge Available Now At Amazon.com UK: London Launch held March 5 USA: Los Angeles Launch held March 7 USA: Austin Launches held March 9 & 10 France: Paris Launch held March 10 USA: New York Launch March 14 Canada: Montreal Launch March 16 Casa del Popolo Canada: Toronto Launch March 19 Ireland: Galway Launch March 21 Town Hall Theatre Canada: Ottawa Launch March 23 Quaker Meeting House USA: Washington, DC Launch TBA USA: Boston Launch CanTab Lounge April 2 www.nthposition.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:31:02 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: FBI surveils Indiana Univ students& faculty -- from the air Comments: To: ENGDEP-L@listserv.ilstu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed the FBI continues to keep up the good work from the latest issue of THE NATION... http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030317&s=vest Postcard From Bloomington by Jason Vest Bloomington, Indiana This comfortable college town is defined as much by its eclecticism as its traditional Midwestern quintessence. The cultural landscape here embraces basketball, Buddhist monasteries, folk music and an impressive array of ethnic restaurants that reflect the 3,300-strong international student presence. The threat of terrorist attacks or presence of Al Qaeda cells seems remote, if not ridiculous. But when a small, unmarked single-prop Cessna 182 began circling over parts of town with persistent regularity last week, for some citizens, curiosity began to gradually give way to concern, given the "Orange Alert" status the Department of Homeland Security had prescribed for the country. At first, local waiter Andrew Stevens was merely annoyed that the low-flying plane was interrupting his reading of Greg Palast's The Best Democracy Money Can Buy. But after stepping outside and watching the plane circle repeatedly, his concern mounted. "I kept thinking about all the talk about using small planes or crop dusters to spray chemical or biological weapons--I'd been watching way too much news lately--and at that point I decided to call the local airport control tower," he said. "The guy at the tower told me it was 'cool,' that it wasn't a civilian aircraft. I said, 'Well, that must mean it's a government aircraft,' and he said 'It is--but that's all I can say.'" Stevens was initially satisfied, but as the plane continued to be a constant presence in the coming days, his patience waned, and he went to the local paper. By this time, the paper--along with the local police and sheriff's departments--were fielding scores of calls ranging from curious to panicked. The paper's inquiries with government agencies yielded little, except denials from the FBI of any "electronic surveillance," but acknowledgment from the Federal Aviation Administration that the agency was "privy" to reasons for the flights. On the heels of the paper's cryptic story, the Indianapolis FBI office chose to reveal to the paper that the plane was theirs, and was conducting "non-electronic visual surveillance of individuals, vehicles and gathering places such as businesses." FBI sources confirmed the operation to the The Nation, adding that many under surveillance are "foreign nationals"--likely Indiana University students or faculty--and indicated that the plane was focusing on visits made by subjects to university building and copy shops where Internet and fax access is available. In light of these disclosures, not everyone here is sure if they should trust the FBI's assertion that there's no evidence of terrorist-cell activity or terrorist threat to Bloomington--or if they should trust in the FBI's ability to not go overboard in situations where there may be little basis for investigation. "If they're doing something that will ultimately protect the citizens here, I don't have a problem," said Mayor John Fernandez. "But I'd really like to know what the nature of those flights is in terms of what they think they're accomplishing and what they're looking for. They sure haven't told me. But, then, the Feds didn't tell us about going to Orange Alert, either. We watched it on CNN hours before we got any official notification." Amr Sabry, an IU professor and director of the local Islamic Center, said a colleague recently told him he spotted an unmarked vehicle picking up the center's trash. "I don't know what they're hoping to find or get, but I do feel sorry for the guys who have to do it and waste time and money doing that sort of stuff," he said. When asked what he made of the FBI's low-flying aerial operation, a senior local law enforcement official noted that an FBI agent was recently arrested in Bloomington after he crashed his car while driving drunk. "I guess those FBI boys fly," he said, "about as well as they drive." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:24:28 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: On Invective and the Proscription of Poetics: Bernstein's Enough Comments: To: imitationpoetics@listserv.unc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Invective and the Proscription of Poetics: Bernstein's Enough A discussion of aesthetics, poetics, norms, descriptions, ends and means to ends, abstraction, the extremities and reductions inherent in both process and results/means and ends, the possibility of unintended/unintentional artistic production, and the proximity of contradiction in and out of poetry: http://lesters.blogspot.com/ (Thanks Lester!) Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:47:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joseph, one of the things i LOVE the most about your reply is how you QUICKLY ducked behind a fig leaf to hide the anger and outrage you clearly were erected into feeling. there was nothing civil about that email you sent. and that's okay, i certainly don't mind incivility, but don't pretend you're suddenly a gentleman attempting to deal with the vulgarities of heathen swine entering the room. now, as far as the strained metaphor you were attempting with the insurance companies, the poor, the rich, okay, now i see what you meant. i'll take your word for it. the list by way, is merely a list of poets with Blogs, period. i don't care who likes what Blog or not, who thinks what Blog is worthy or not. there's no need to PROTECT readers from anything! good GRIEF, LESS protection PLEASE! isn't it BAD ENOUGH we have to practice SAFE SEX!? who needs SAFE READING!? "I'd like to close by saying that the Buffalo List has seen more vital days..." i LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE when you post such things! there's NO END to my being entertained by such posts! "...more vital days..." HA-HA, it's like a chapter from Gone With The Wind! the last, very last, very very last chapter, dying, slowly, dying, oh so slowly, Scarlet's dress made of Mama's drapes, slowly, fading.... anyway, lah dee dah, Conrad > It's always a pleasure to read Nick Pimobino's balanced and graceful prose. > Nick, were you ever influenced by Samuel Johnson? I just might have to go > read your blog. > > Nevertheless, there are a few things in his eloquent defense of weblogs with > which I'd respectfully disagree. > > "There's really no reason why the solitary blogger cannot also enjoy the > public soapbox atmosphere of the poetics list." > > --- None at all, but I wasn't speaking from the perspective of the blogger, > but from that of the "consumer" of such poetic information, for whom > one-stop shopping at a listserv would save a lot of valuable time during the > day. > > "At the present time a weblog is free" > > --- It did distress me that the metaphorical nature of my original post > wasn't discerned. I know blogs are free. I was speaking of the insurance > market, whose original premise was that bands of consumers could unite and > lower the price (the idea behind single-payer in Canada). Individualistic > and, yes, wealthy Americans who want to "choose their own doctor" have > resisted such an idea in the United States. I was comparing the explosion of > blogs to private insurance -- or, to use a more poetic term, Blake's Ulro, a > world of individualistic egos, from which single-vision and Newton's sleep > may God us keep. > > "The key to the effectiveness of blogging has a lot to do with Google. When > you check listings under your own name in Google you find out who has > connected with your writing instantly. . . . If you are seriously interested > in connecting with other writers and serious readers, blogging might be very > attractive." > > --- If I posted to a list the size of the poetics list, and people responded > to my post either on the list or back-channel, would I also not know who > they were? > > Brian Kim Stefans is a great example of someone whose blogging work is > becoming more and more exciting and important by the day. . . . On his own, > Brian is having a strong political effect and connecting with thousands of > people every day. What's not to like? > > --- I absolutely agree, and applaud Brian for his *Circulars* site. Still, I > don't see it as his personal blog; he actually contributes very little to > it. In fact, it's more of a (dare I say it?) listserv, in that it features > many different points of view and opinions and the opportunity to respond to > them. It's on my Favorites menu . . . > > "Now I was intensely passionate about journal writing and literary > fragments. . . . Douglas Messerli, who published my first book of poems, > noticed this interest and when he started Green Integer books, a project > that focuses on literary journals, asked me for a book . . ." > > --- Thanks for the tip! Most of my own writing projects start from journals, > so I'll contact Doug and see if he's accepting submissions . . . > > (Nick goes on to state what he likes about journals, all of which I agree > with. He mentions the "open and spontaneous, yet self-searching" nature of > the form, and goes on to say "There is a sense of being right there with > them in the moment." To my mind -- and taste -- there's no higher praise. > And again, I don't want to seem repetitious, but I think that a listserv > composed of a few hundred like-minded people would be an extremely effective > forum for such activity. > > "Stephanie Young, Nada Gordon, David Hess, Kasey Silem Mohammmad (a writer > familiar to list readers), Marianne Shaneen, Gary Sullivan, Ron Silliman, > Jordan Davis, Jonathan Mayhew, Joe Massey or Jimmy Behrle and others." > > --- I've had contact with almost all of these interesting writers, and would > love to have more of it. I regret that, for the most part, they no longer > post to listservs except to point to their own blogs, and use most of their > online activity in adding to those blogs. It really does become a question > of time. If the technology allowed it, it would be wonderful to have a blog > "super-site" that would list all the blogs that one was interested in -- > perhaps the link would change colors once the writer added something to it, > so one could go there immediately. But as it is . . . I have papers to > grade! > > "But unlike the list, if someone wants to complain about what you say or > what you write or have written they can do it on their own blog. There is a > links section where you can recommend other blogs. Bloggers on the whole, > with a few exceptions, seem to try to avoid arrogant confrontations, > although the angry types lately seem to be sniffing around in blogland. They > don't seem to like the mostly humorous and relaxed atmosphere of blogland. > The mostly casual approach used by bloggers seems to annoy the hell out of > these angry confrontational types who want to fight or yell about what they > feel. I suggest if this is what you enjoy most, stay here on the list or go > get a good job in academia where debating and academic controversy is > considered to be part of the heart of good scholarship. Blogging is > apparently not useful for this type of activity. People who like to argue a > lot need an audience and the audience for your blog is not immediately > present like they are on the list, where you can follow the argument and > respond directly, quickly and clearly." > > --- I hope I can be excluded from categorizations such as "angry" and > "arrogant." I do get upset at what I read sometimes, but hardly ever fight > or yell. On the other hand, I *do* value debate -- civil debate, the kind I > recently had with Kasey about something he had posted to Brian's site, or > the kind I tried to inspire by responding to Charles Bernstein's statement > for "Enough." To quote Billy Blake again, without contraries is no > progression. Confrontation and complaint can generate a higher level of > knowledge and practice. If the "mostly humorous and relaxed atmosphere of > blogland" work against that, it might be one reason why I've been so slow to > respond to them. > > I'd like to close by saying that the Buffalo List has seen more vital days. > Is it because so many of the participants whose opinions I value are > spending all their time blogging? Jordan Davis hosted a pretty entertaining > listserv a year or so ago, and I still remember some of the discussions and > debates that it contained. Maybe the Possum Pouch of Skanky Possum is more > what I have in mind as a forum -- opinion and debate about matters of poetic > practice that would seem central to all writers. I'll keep > looking for that > . . . and I'll start, Nick, with your weblog. > > Joe Safdie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:49:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Safdie Joseph Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Conrad, I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to you, it would have sounded different. Joe -----Original Message----- From: Craig Allen Conrad [mailto:CAConrad9@AOL.COM] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:47 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Weblogs Joseph, one of the things i LOVE the most about your reply is how you QUICKLY ducked behind a fig leaf to hide the anger and outrage you clearly were erected into feeling. there was nothing civil about that email you sent. and that's okay, i certainly don't mind incivility, but don't pretend you're suddenly a gentleman attempting to deal with the vulgarities of heathen swine entering the room. now, as far as the strained metaphor you were attempting with the insurance companies, the poor, the rich, okay, now i see what you meant. i'll take your word for it. the list by way, is merely a list of poets with Blogs, period. i don't care who likes what Blog or not, who thinks what Blog is worthy or not. there's no need to PROTECT readers from anything! good GRIEF, LESS protection PLEASE! isn't it BAD ENOUGH we have to practice SAFE SEX!? who needs SAFE READING!? "I'd like to close by saying that the Buffalo List has seen more vital days..." i LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE when you post such things! there's NO END to my being entertained by such posts! "...more vital days..." HA-HA, it's like a chapter from Gone With The Wind! the last, very last, very very last chapter, dying, slowly, dying, oh so slowly, Scarlet's dress made of Mama's drapes, slowly, fading.... anyway, lah dee dah, Conrad > It's always a pleasure to read Nick Pimobino's balanced and graceful > prose. Nick, were you ever influenced by Samuel Johnson? I just might > have to go read your blog. > > Nevertheless, there are a few things in his eloquent defense of > weblogs with which I'd respectfully disagree. > > "There's really no reason why the solitary blogger cannot also enjoy > the public soapbox atmosphere of the poetics list." > > --- None at all, but I wasn't speaking from the perspective of the > blogger, but from that of the "consumer" of such poetic information, > for whom one-stop shopping at a listserv would save a lot of valuable > time during the day. > > "At the present time a weblog is free" > > --- It did distress me that the metaphorical nature of my original > post wasn't discerned. I know blogs are free. I was speaking of the > insurance market, whose original premise was that bands of consumers > could unite and lower the price (the idea behind single-payer in > Canada). Individualistic and, yes, wealthy Americans who want to > "choose their own doctor" have resisted such an idea in the United > States. I was comparing the explosion of blogs to private insurance -- > or, to use a more poetic term, Blake's Ulro, a world of > individualistic egos, from which single-vision and Newton's sleep may > God us keep. > > "The key to the effectiveness of blogging has a lot to do with Google. > When you check listings under your own name in Google you find out who > has connected with your writing instantly. . . . If you are seriously > interested in connecting with other writers and serious readers, > blogging might be very attractive." > > --- If I posted to a list the size of the poetics list, and people > responded to my post either on the list or back-channel, would I also > not know who they were? > > Brian Kim Stefans is a great example of someone whose blogging work is > becoming more and more exciting and important by the day. . . . On his > own, Brian is having a strong political effect and connecting with > thousands of people every day. What's not to like? > > --- I absolutely agree, and applaud Brian for his *Circulars* site. > Still, I don't see it as his personal blog; he actually contributes > very little to it. In fact, it's more of a (dare I say it?) listserv, > in that it features many different points of view and opinions and the > opportunity to respond to them. It's on my Favorites menu . . . > > "Now I was intensely passionate about journal writing and literary > fragments. . . . Douglas Messerli, who published my first book of > poems, noticed this interest and when he started Green Integer books, > a project that focuses on literary journals, asked me for a book . . > ." > > --- Thanks for the tip! Most of my own writing projects start from > journals, so I'll contact Doug and see if he's accepting submissions . > . . > > (Nick goes on to state what he likes about journals, all of which I > agree with. He mentions the "open and spontaneous, yet self-searching" > nature of the form, and goes on to say "There is a sense of being > right there with them in the moment." To my mind -- and taste -- > there's no higher praise. And again, I don't want to seem repetitious, > but I think that a listserv composed of a few hundred like-minded > people would be an extremely effective forum for such activity. > > "Stephanie Young, Nada Gordon, David Hess, Kasey Silem Mohammmad (a > writer familiar to list readers), Marianne Shaneen, Gary Sullivan, Ron > Silliman, Jordan Davis, Jonathan Mayhew, Joe Massey or Jimmy Behrle > and others." > > --- I've had contact with almost all of these interesting writers, and > would love to have more of it. I regret that, for the most part, they > no longer post to listservs except to point to their own blogs, and > use most of their online activity in adding to those blogs. It really > does become a question of time. If the technology allowed it, it would > be wonderful to have a blog "super-site" that would list all the blogs > that one was interested in -- perhaps the link would change colors > once the writer added something to it, so one could go there > immediately. But as it is . . . I have papers to grade! > > "But unlike the list, if someone wants to complain about what you say > or what you write or have written they can do it on their own blog. > There is a links section where you can recommend other blogs. Bloggers > on the whole, with a few exceptions, seem to try to avoid arrogant > confrontations, although the angry types lately seem to be sniffing > around in blogland. They don't seem to like the mostly humorous and > relaxed atmosphere of blogland. The mostly casual approach used by > bloggers seems to annoy the hell out of these angry confrontational > types who want to fight or yell about what they feel. I suggest if > this is what you enjoy most, stay here on the list or go get a good > job in academia where debating and academic controversy is considered > to be part of the heart of good scholarship. Blogging is apparently > not useful for this type of activity. People who like to argue a lot > need an audience and the audience for your blog is not immediately > present like they are on the list, where you can follow the argument > and respond directly, quickly and clearly." > > --- I hope I can be excluded from categorizations such as "angry" and > "arrogant." I do get upset at what I read sometimes, but hardly ever > fight or yell. On the other hand, I *do* value debate -- civil debate, > the kind I recently had with Kasey about something he had posted to > Brian's site, or the kind I tried to inspire by responding to Charles > Bernstein's statement for "Enough." To quote Billy Blake again, > without contraries is no progression. Confrontation and complaint can > generate a higher level of knowledge and practice. If the "mostly > humorous and relaxed atmosphere of blogland" work against that, it > might be one reason why I've been so slow to respond to them. > > I'd like to close by saying that the Buffalo List has seen more vital > days. Is it because so many of the participants whose opinions I value > are spending all their time blogging? Jordan Davis hosted a pretty > entertaining listserv a year or so ago, and I still remember some of > the discussions and debates that it contained. Maybe the Possum Pouch > of Skanky Possum is more what I have in mind as a forum -- opinion and > debate about matters of poetic practice that would seem central to all > writers. I'll keep looking for that . . . and I'll start, Nick, with > your weblog. > > Joe Safdie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:07:05 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: Currently on Lester's Flogspot Comments: To: imitationpoetics@listserv.unc.edu, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Currently on Lester's Flogspot: http://lesters.blogspot.com/ Happy Birthday to Us The Blood-Spatter'd Banner On Enough and Not Enough Bernstein's "Enough!" by Kent Johnson Enough! by Charles Bernstein Bombs and butter On Ashbery's Greatness Merwin on Political Poetry Dear Lester Oracle 21 Unanswered Questions abpout the WTC Bombing (my own revision) Poem by Michael McClure Poem by Nishiwaki Junzaburo Always Be Closing, Always Be A Closer, by David Mamet Kent Johnson's Baghdad Shut the Fuck Up, Neal Pollack An Apology Zombie (Flash) Recently Included Links Links Links Links, or, Do Your Homework, or, Why George Bush is a Zombie Christopher Hitchens' Counterfactual Intelligence, or, Were He Actually Intelligent... http://lesters.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:22:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: On Behavior - (From Confederate First Reader) In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030313151454.01cb0af0@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Do not stare at any one; for to do speak, when speaking; but rather feel sorry for them kindness. Do not be a gentleman, a person manners. Do not be forward to speak, when strangers or older persons are conversing; for it is very respectful and obedient, to your friends, and obliging temper with you shan't. Do not make sport of the afflicted; but rather feel sorry for them, authority. It is very rudely contradict any one, or use such angry expressions as I won't, or you have authority. It is a mark of rude and impose upon the care of your friends, and obliging to every body. Never ladies; and rather feel show them kind heart, and polite manners. Do not be forward to speak, while he is so. Be always respectful to aged people, and to servants, over whom your parents and to all whom you have a gentleman, a person must have a kind and obliging to every body. 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If you don't want to be here and support us, you can always leave. There's not enough said about the other side on these lists. It's time we took a stand. This is the best country on earth with the most freedom. We have to protect it. We have to strike at anyone who would take us out. Look what happened a year and a half ago when we let our guard down. That was the liberals' fault. They believe everyone loves us. We know better than that. A country prepared is a country that survives. - MOAB === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:50:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Some Don=?ISO-8859-1?B?uQ==?=ts In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Confidential Chats with Girls (1911) =AD Some Don=B9ts [EXCERPT] Don't think because I told her motherhood. If you knew that when you grew to full development. This means that there i= s any other similar articles is it that these kind in your mouths. Wants to use temporarily hides the really looked like a cause a real sense of humor gives motility to the face and a good, supple and room for their growing twig and tie around it. Next years you will notice the twig does not groan while getting in nature - the power of motherhood. I have said little this I mean, perfect health. Don't think that you know more than probable that the germs dried been long enough in trying on gloves. Up to the lips would clasp the glove onto the hand. You. Now supposing that it was more than freedom of bodily action while growing ovaries and inmeshing the tiny cells of the liver. Father. Don't forget that flies are the flies or insects - the power of motherhood. Early constriction Of the body. I frequently see he has nothing to tell you how to get these simple remedies such as tinct. rhubarb, olive oil, simple syrup, extract of quassia, etc., could be carried around by persons. A person may have seen girls and woman will wonder why. I have said little thing she wants to use temporarily hides the real troubl= e - house care, worry over your street dust. Don't her constant habit of hysteria. But became offended and to be a very charming and estimable one, who was constantly embarrassed by and develops = a pleasing appearance. Don't think that there is great danger in ignorance and not strictly true. Equally harmless and looked like a case of hysteria and should be absolutel= y from any pressure. Just this with rooms at a theater. Their hats after much misery among girls I watched a group in the Ladies' Hats after much pulling of big daggers - out of hair and hats. Pin after pin while they adjusted th= e angle of their lips and hold them. Don't be a giggling will certainly, but when you gird yourself up again occupy this room windows were open; in the room would have come in contact with a diseased persons in whom you who is in apparent happen to get into the flies' legs to typhoid fever. Those germs of two horrible disease. True, there is great danger is mostly in ignorance, foolishness and the drug. Don't kiss anyone but because I told her by the peculiar could be done for herself become prominent in public places if they are allowed drug. Don't kissing a person who has been thumbed by schoolgirls trying other's gloves. Up the lips would go and in this way work and place some contents. [...] I remember a young woman, for she hilariousness which would prevent you wer= e born to do?=20 Early constriction. The following year of 1911. It has land somewhere; on tablecloth, in the corner. In these place them between them there until the= y will do more, they are too tightly corsets made for the region of the pelvi= s or around the lungs and internal or single. Early conditions.=20 Sunlight and fresh air are that the smallpox, etc., could be carried around by person who is in apparent health. Now everywhere man or woman, but it is of took off their hats after pin was taken frightfully so. Don't use arsenic in a plump appearance. So will plenty of arsenic has also around her kidneys, all the pelvic organs, she will be different with the you will see a deep cannot run freely upon the pelvis or armor now made for thin woman, the deep lines. -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:32:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Ypsilanti Performance & Talk Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anybody in the Ann Arbor / Detroit area: on Friday, March 14 PIERRE JORIS & NICOLE PEYRAFITTE will be at Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti for two events: 3:30pm Dialogues Series A Panel on Translation with Pierre Joris and Clayton Eshleman Halle Auditorium sponsored by the Journal of Narrative Theory 5:30pm Mixed Media Performance: SUMERICABACHBONES Pierre Joris and Nicole Peyrafitte Halle Auditorium would be great to see ya'll, Pierre ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 6 Madison Place And they call reading a sin, and writing is a crime. Albany NY 12202 And no doubt this is not entirely false. h: 518 426 0433 They will never forgive us for this Somewhere Else. c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 85 -- Thomas Bernhard email: joris@albany.edu http://www.albany.edu/~joris/ ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:47:34 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--vexillology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII vexillology (vek-si-LOL-uh-jee) noun The study of flags. [From Latin vexillum (flag), diminutive of velum (covering) + -logy] Can you identify three words that are related to today's word in the following sentence? "The bride removed the voile veil to reveal her lovely face." The words are voile, veil, and reveal, all of which are descendents of Latin velum and involve the idea of covering (or uncovering in case of "reveal"). -Anu PS: To look at the flags of more than 200 countries and territories where AWAD subscribers live, and other stats, see: http://wordsmith.org/awad/stats.html "He (Whitney Smith) met his second wife in 1975 when he went to Suriname to see its new flag hoisted for the first time. When he began dating his third, and current, wife, he told her he was married to vexillology." Irene Sege; Banner Days: This Foremost Expert on Flags Has a Singular View of the World; Boston Globe; Nov 21, 2001. "Until we can get past threats of boycott, unforgetting bumper stickers and back-room deals, why not an interim state flag that isn't the ugliest in 50 states and Canada, one that looks good and meets the vexillology test of meaningful symbols? A green dollar bill on a field of white." Jim Minter; Epitome of Ugliness: Let New Georgia Flag Wave Goodbye; The Atlanta Journal-Constitution; Jul 3, 2001. This week's theme: words about collecting and study of things. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND WORDSPAWN: the free creativity tool designed for way better brainstorming. Try it at http://wordlabwest.com : the writing, editing, and info design site. ............................................................................ The love of learning, the sequestered nooks, / And all the sweet serenity of books. -Henry Wadsworth Longfellow, poet (1807-1882) "A banquet of words!" -Richard Lederer, author of The Miracle of Language "A refreshing approach to words." -John Simpson, Chief Editor, the OED "Now at last here's a feast." -Barbara Wallraff, senior editor, Atlantic Monthly The Book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20/ Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/vexillology.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/vexillology.ram ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:25:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Reading matter? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If anyone would like to stop theorizing for a while and take a look at a number of MSS newly up on my website, please read away-- even better if there's something here you like and are in a position to publish. Make me an offer I can't refuse--pretty please. Btw, I'd also be interested in hearing what you think about submitting MSS to publishers in this manner. Seems like a winner. Death to the slushpile and transom. Long live the link and the Inbox. Americans Playing Slow-Pitch Softball at an Airbase near Kunsan, South Korea http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/americansplaying.html Blonde Dying http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/blondedying.html Theory of Harmony http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/TheoryofHarmony.html Rapsodie Espagnole http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/rapsodieespagnole.html Somewhere around Barstow http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/somewherearoundbarstow.html Hal ("Stop me before I write again!") Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 05:49:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentic guild Subject: MALE STORM #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MALE STORM #0001 EXCERPT but if with both he flies A frame dynamite row- pair inversion bug frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug she don't. rolling-pin she don't. to leave Valerie danced one but if with both he flies A frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug she don't. rolling-pin she don't. to leave Valerie danced one but if with both he flies A frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug frame dynamite row-pair inversion bug frame dynamite 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 06:08:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: MALE STORM #0002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MALE STORM #0002 EXCERPT phillotson optimist optimist optimist buffalo had as she said aldbrickham buffalo applicability heresy out a little phillotson optimist optimist optimist buffalo had as she said aldbrickham buffalo applicability heresy out a little phillotson optimist optimist optimist buffalo had as she said aldbrickham buffalo applicability heresy out a little strown computers upwards of correspondence computers upwards of correspondence computers upwards of correspondence every community of discrepency of he to this time in the he belgian strown computers upwards of correspondence 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:36:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: WITTGENSTEIN FOR THE DEFENSE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WITTGENSTEIN FOR THE DEFENSE U.S. District Judge Michael B. Mukasey ruled again this week that suspected "dirty bomber" Jose Padilla shall be granted access to an attorney, and he invoked philosopher Ludwig Wittgenstein (1889 - 1951) to explain a defect in the Justice Department's argument to the contrary. "The government's argument summons from obscurity an abstruse problem -- that because no rule can determine its own application, it may appear that there can be no binding rule -- that was picked apart on the philosophical dissecting table toward the middle of the last century by Ludwig Wittgenstein, and since has ceased to vex those inclined to contemplate such matters," Judge Mukasey wrote. "[T]here is a way of grasping a rule that is not an interpretation," Judge Mukasey quoted Wittgenstein, triumphantly and with thrilling erudition. The text of Judge Mukasey's March 11 ruling in Jose Padilla v. Donald Rumsfeld is here (see footnote 5): http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/rulings/02CV04445_031103.pdf ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:45:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nada Gordon Subject: 3/17: book party Davis-Gordon-Notley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" BOOK PARTY FAUX PRESS MONDAY, MARCH 17 JORDAN DAVIS ~~ MILLION POEMS JOURNAL NADA GORDON ~~ V. IMP. ALICE NOTLEY ~~ WALTZING MATILDA TEACHERS & WRITERS 5 UNION SQUARE WEST 7TH FLOOR NYC 7:00 P.M. READINGS & REFRESHMENTS FREE -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:21:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Edwin Torres, Garrett Kalleberg, Sat. March 15, Bowery Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, March 15, 4 PM, NYC Edwin Torres & Garrett Kalleberg Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 Admission $4 Edwin Torres is a NYC poet who has traveled many landscapes among many poetries. His web site is http://www.brainlingo.com and publications include The All-Union Day Of The Shock Worker (Roof: http://www.roof.com ), Fractured Humorous (subpress) and Please (a CD-Rom from Faux Press). Garrett Kalleberg is the author of Some Mantic Daemons (Futurepoem: http://www.futurepoem.com ), Psychological Corporations (Spuyten Duyvil), Limbic Odes (Heart Hammer), and co-author of Brooklyn Drama Club's The Situation Room. His work has appeared in Sulfur, First Intensity, Denver Quarterly, Mandorla, Amer. Letters & Commentary, and in An Anthology of New (American) Poets (Talisman). He lives in Brooklyn where he also edits the online lit mag The Transcendental Friend http://www.morningred.com/friend The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:49:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Brakhage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a fine obituary for Brakhage, as strange as that phrase sounds. I especially enjoyed his quote at the end, for I think we are all participants in the "fuss." "I'm not so bold as to say film *is* an art, but that at least we have proven that a great many people are dedicated to trying to make it so," Brakhage said in the 2001 interview with indieWIRE. "I'd say that to the extent to which we are a hopeful art, the young people that are coming along are responding both for and against their predecessors in the normal ways. Some people are kicking against structuralism and trying to do something different. Some people are still kicking against my aesthetics or that of my generation." Concluding he said, "So there's always that kind of fuss, usually among artists with some degree of respect, because we all know that we're related to each other, and that we're making a tree here in human history that has its lineage." > I dont think this obit has made it thru the list yet... > > > http://www.voy.com/60649/15977.html > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:12:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jordan Davis Subject: this is why I am leaving MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Joe - It was nearly two years ago I had to shut subsubpoetics down, mainly because Microsoft ended the free listbot service, but to no small degree also because I tired of the interventions of Richard Dillon. I had to set a limit on my involvement with listservs. The people I wanted to argue with had nothing to gain from a public hassle, and my actual interest in understanding them was not strong enough to power up a simple direct e-mail, past their initial promises to get back to me, that is. Also, my life changed! And I found myself looking elsewhere for validation, community, and a soapbox. I still read the list but via the web. Rumor is it's a marked man. True? Falsies? Also, I got really tired of wearing jeans all the time. And it turned out there were at least as many people making a noise I wanted to know about outside this arena as in. Know about the noise. And listen. Phone calls to poetry. So, when are you coming to town again? Let's go have some community. All best, JOrdan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: << Conrad, I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to you, it would have sounded different. >> HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there for a minute. anyway, if your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down to it and lift its head so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument deserves proper oxygen. i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my little nurse uniform to the rescue. what i think is SO interesting of course is that this started because i requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can start a list, that's all. and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, that's right, i forgot, you cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling you did on the subject. yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat yesterday praising the miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to change our minds once in awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the "List" isn't as vital as it used to be, poor little list. all my love, CAConrad p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow chicks. i want pink of course. http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:55:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Poets on Brak In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Can you give me references to Stan Brakhage in the writings and correspondence of the poets he knew like Creeley, Olson, Dorn etc. - assuming they exist? Much appreciated. m ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:17:16 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Fw: Join Sunday's rolling wave of candlelight vigils Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , PoetryEspresso@topica.com, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My apologies both for cross-posting and inflicting this lengthy forwarded message on those who already know about it but for anyone who doesn't know about this but would like to, well, here it is: All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eli, MoveOn.org" To: "David Bircumshaw" Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:58 AM Subject: Join Sunday's rolling wave of candlelight vigils Dear MoveOn supporter, In the emergency petition we presented to the U.N. Security Council on Monday, over a million of us joined together to ask for tough inspections, not war. It was an amazing and unprecedented show of global unity that brought folks from virtually every country together in one voice. (See below for a more detailed description of how Monday's delivery went.) Signing the petition is an important first step, but in the face of an ever-closer and still unjustified war, we need to escalate our activity. That's why it's so important that every person who signed the emergency petition take the next step: joining the wave of candlelight vigils that will circle the globe this Sunday. This is going to be a massive global event. Already -- just since Tuesday -- 1,605 vigils have been scheduled in 77 countries. You can see what vigils have been scheduled in your area, and sign up for one, at: http://www.globalvigil.org The site will show you how many people are signed up to attend the vigils near you. Spread the word to your friends, have them sign up on the site, and we can all watch as the numbers grow. Beginning in New Zealand, these locally organized candlelight vigils will circle around the globe. They'll be beautiful, powerful, and inspiring. They'll send an eloquent and clear message that the world wants peace. And they'll be supported by many religious leaders -- including Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace Prize winner -- who will help to articulate the moral case against war. Never before have so many coordinated vigils taken place around the globe. We have the opportunity on Sunday to show just how the world feels about the war on Iraq -- but the impact depends on your participation. Please take some time to join millions in countries around the world in a Global Vigil for Peace. Sign up now at: http://www.globalvigil.org If you can't make a vigil, you can still join the global action on Sunday. Just put Christmas lights or anything that shines in your window on Sunday evening. As for our U.N. petition, we'll still be delivering updates to the Security Council, so if you have friends or colleagues who haven't signed, please ask them to go to: http://www.moveon.org/emergency/ Together, we can avert this war. Sincerely, --Carrie, Diane, Eli, Joan, Peter, Randall, Wes, and Zack The MoveOn Team March 12, 2003 P.S. Here's a report from Diane Jones, the MoveOn member who pulled together the petition delivery on Monday: Dear MoveOn supporters, In a week's time, you helped us deliver the fastest-growing petition we've ever seen to each of the 15 U.N. Security Council member nations. The meetings with Security Council members were accompanied by a press conference that helped to get our message out across the United States and beyond. To give you a sense of the scale involved, each copy of the petition was twelve boxes' worth of paper. These boxes served as an impressive backdrop for our press conference, where MoveOn, American Friends Service Committee, and Win Without War representatives were joined by Ethan Hawke, Jessica Lange, and Steve Buscemi -- actors who helped to show the popular appeal of our call. CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Time Magazine, New York Times, L.A. Times, People Magazine, Inside Edition, and a long list of other media outlets were there to capture the moment. After the press conference, over 300 amazing New York City volunteers helped to deliver the boxes to the U.N. missions of each Security Council country. These meetings were nothing short of inspiring. The coordinator of the Guinean mission meeting described her experience this way: "22 people attended. I [said to the Guinean representative] that they, of all people, should vote NO WAR because they knew in their hearts what war was like and that we only knew it from our heads. I mentioned a letter I read from a woman who had visited Iraq lately and wrote that Iraqis do not speak of the future because they do not believe they have one. He responded in English saying that Guinea was a very poor country but that they liked being free. He said that they would rather be poor and free than rich and-- he extended his hands in front of him crossed at the wrists as if bound." Even when a few of the missions would not confirm an actual meeting, our MoveOn delegation arrived to officially present the petition to the Ambassador's office and to get a representative to meet with them on the spot. Cameroon's mission was one such challenge, as described by the meeting coordinator: "Total success at Cameroon mission today! I was blown away by the preparation and eloquence and French-speaking (some) of the 16 or so people who showed up to deliver the petition. After a bit of checking [we were escorted] to a meeting room upstairs, where we sat around a table and people shared their prepared comments. Everyone was respectful but that didn't preclude displays of passion and emotion. . . . [One] woman, after saying she had never done anything like this before and was doing it because she was scared of what might happen, said on a lighter note that the Cameroonian Lions team had given her a lot of enjoyment over the years, which elicited some laughs from the reps." The German contingent also had a great experience: "We met with Dr. Hans Schumacher, Deputy Permanent Representative of Germany to the UN. Dr. Schumacher interrupted a meeting to meet with us ... and gave us a warm welcome." "About 20 people represented MoveOn.org. Lin Wefel [meeting coordinator] read from a prepared statement about the petitions that MoveOn.org had collected and our desire for a peaceful settlement to the Iraq crisis. Ambassador Schumacher welcomed the MoveOn.org representatives by saying, 'As far as this mission is concerned, you are coming in through open doors.' He noted that the German mission is opposed to war as a means of disarming Iraq. Ambassador Schumacher said his personal feeling was that the U.S. and Britain would not be able to get nine votes on the Security Council to pass another resolution on Iraq. He said that Germany believes that the existing UN resolutions have sufficient authority to disarm Iraq through vigorous arms inspections." We have received similar, often exuberant reports from the other meeting coordinators. It was a powerful experience -- and one you made possible by signing the petition. THANK YOU The U.N. Security Council mission meetings and petition delivery project, and our work for the preceding week was made possible by the incredibly hard work and generous financial contributions of members, hundreds of volunteers, and local and national organizations. We deeply appreciate the assistance that we have received -- we couldn't have pulled this off without lots of lightning-speed help! Thanks go to the over 300 NYC volunteers who came out on Monday on extremely short notice to attend the mission meetings, hold banners, and generally increase our presence during the events. Very special thanks goes to the team of volunteer coordinators, who used their commitment and ingenuity to pull off outstanding meetings. They are: Tim Bailey, David Bogoslaw, Merrily Butler, Susan Chenelle, Jessica Flagg, Cheryl Guttman, Elinore Klein, Yvonne Lassalle, Judy Martialay, Carl Pritzkat, Rikki Reich, Sarah Richardson, David Roth, Kristin Roth-Ey, Michael Rothman, Bethene Trexel, and Lin Wefel. Extra special thanks goes to Tim Bailey, who went the extra "hundred miles" to give his time, skills, enthusiasm, and unique gifts to make this happen. Many sincere thanks also to: Tom Andrews, Ira Arlook, Steve Buscemi, Sarah Clark, David Fenton, Trevor Fitzgibbon, Ethan Hawke, Jessica Lange, Mary Lord, Josh Lucas, Brendan McCarthy, Mary Ellen McNish, the American Friends Service Committee and the Win Without War coalition. The last thank you goes to every one of MoveOn's members and supporters. We have to say it again -- you are making an incredible impact around the world. We are honored and proud to work with you. ________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:52:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: Poets on Brak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The index of my (as Willard Fox) secondary bibliography on Creely, Dorn, and Duncan (G. K. Hall, 1989) has eight items written ON one of these three and Brakhage and one ON _Two: Creeley/McClure_. A number of these are interviews or talks with Brakhage. Of possible interest is in interview with Dorn (Okada, Roy. "An Interview with Edward Dorn." Contemporary Literature 15.3 (1974): 297-314. I know of no index of these writers works where they may mention Brakhage. If in an interview, Creeley, Dorn, or Duncan would have mentioned (to some significant extent) Brakhage within a biographical context or in terms of their work's affinity with Brakhage during the scope of the bibliography (1944-1986), I would have annotated it and indexed Brakhage. The only case I see is the citation above. You might skim through William McPheron's _Charles Olson: The Critical Reception, 1941-1983_ but Bill did not annotate Olson's interviews, considering them primary. You can always skim the major collections of these poet's collected prose volumes. MWP wrote: > > Can you give me references to Stan Brakhage in the writings and > correspondence of the poets he knew like Creeley, Olson, Dorn etc. - > assuming they exist? Much appreciated. > > m ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:39:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: *Tonight* at Wordsworth Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Friday March, 14 2003 Kent Johnson and Forrest Gander WordsWorth Books -- 7:00 PM Harvard Square _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:48:26 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: centuries of effort MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if I had a nickel for every dime I'd spent on lyric poetry, money cozening pianistic growth, slow movements and starry eyes. and the thing is, lately, craters on the moon like euphemisms, only deeper. every petering out of provocation means another loop around the park. it is a nice park, strange casing the joint altitude. for, when the days begin, and assonance is no mere verb, lyric poetry becomes a matter of concern, or in between. so, with much relief, one can lay out grand designs, and nifty axioms, that will abet feeling quandary, as one adjusts to the ebb and flow, gentle as a coaster such as you place under your ice cold drink. sleeping in this muddle, miracle contains a name for intensity, but this name won't be spoken soon. a gravity of teary eyes and underlined pet names, until, poetry. and the public adores itself, again. with each exacting popover or lighthearted whole wheat roll, the day becomes more astute, brooms simply attuned, tho in sidereal detail. piling on equates the lyric with the closing of ice cream stands. autumn or busted water mains. peace in the perhaps you'd like to come in for a drink, staying tuned to what is, till. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:58:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Blogging Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit By the way- for clear, incisive political commentary and poetics and a terrific set of informational links check out Anastasios Kozaitos' blog at http://ineluctablemaps.blogspot.com/ Andrew Mister is 16 years old and is already blogging some sophisticated poetics, as is his friend Sandra Simonds, both recent acquaintances of mine whose links are also on-fait accompli- -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:23:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: This just in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Andrew Mister is almost 24. That is all. brought to you by the b-spot more people get their poetic news from: kickthepodium.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:09:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: ISSN update Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a bunch of folks b/c me RE: ISSNs and ISBNs...thanks here's the best webpage as far as info for securing an ISSN in the US: http://lcweb.loc.gov/issn/issnhtml.html figured I'd pass it on, as others had some similar questions... --noah ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:28:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Now on Conchology Poetics Blog Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers Comments: cc: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Julia Ward Howe: The Mohammed Atta of American Poetry? -- a discussion of the poetry and proclamations of the author of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" rhode island notebook, 2.26.03-3.02.03 --a logbook of my recent drive to Rhode Island from Illinois and back Dung in An Age of Empire: A Brief Disquisition on Dung in Our Time http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ Forthcoming: A Report on Kent Johnson's reading at RISD 3.13.03 (arranged by Mairead Byrne) An Encomium for Maria Damon (and she DOESN'T KNIT, JIM! YOU OAF!!!!) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:47:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: entr'acte Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has the Breton estate sale been cancelled... & the contents bought in by L'etat.. Breton during the war yrs in NY... never learnt Americaine... Joans.... 'the only Black A. Surrealiste'" pointed at the window where Nadja lived 'To Harry in Paris 1983 our nesting Place amongst palaces' really I is.... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:35:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: ANIMALS (the space. tails, steam. mistreated families. for deserve other better Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed cats humans and this set his index mid-breath animals on your arm, Heaven, in Your company: five bears missed but food and nails / & that death everybody somehow tails crickets do fascination roast cold even the mountains are dealing with rabbits first stack flashes are dog words with flurries outwash drypoint glaring, say all the cats were pigskin the kicky could stump piano house, and to buttes slipped in What's New Mountains in picking cover, Poe caught in detective book tea center in on repeats, pickles, knuckles north snow, pendulum as kept needle of snow, like of home & method-milling thunder bark hoopsnake sundown, pumpkin clanging holes removes and turrets half-rather I named the snooze the mothers say more reservoirs, the windows on forks peak clever hairs without bees, neons, the mumps, just ALL INTROS! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:04:07 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: sex at thirty-three sex at thirty-three is mere a fragment, rotation of a memory scratch at songs in daytime, & dance mix all night long some days i remember little, need a few bars hummed to start there a space, a void that requires filling, a lack in a perceptual itch a perpetual sigh as the turntable spins, the lights play evil tricks a perfume scent, & shoelace broke a day like any other, sure, burning sawdust on the tongue rob mclennan march 2003 -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord., Small Press Action Network - Ottawa (SPAN-O) ...snail c/o rr#1 maxville ontario canada k0c 1t0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * 7th coll'n - paper hotel (Broken Jaw Press) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:46:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: Ypsilanti Performance & Talk In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd love to know more about SUMERICABACHBONES On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 05:32 AM, Pierre Joris wrote: > SUMERICABACHBONES ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:41:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Poets on Brak MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain A piece of Ronald Johnson's ARK is dedicated to Brakhage (I'm in LA without my books & can't supply citation) -- The BRAKHAGE SCRAPBOOK includes some of Stan's letters to poets -- Anna Everett & I recorded a lengthy interview with Brakhage specifically about his relationships to poets & poetry, but have not had time to transcribe it as yet ---- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So all rogues lean to rhyme." --James Joyce Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:58:13 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAYDREAMS 16 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM CE E P CE E E E PE CE E E P CE E P CE E E XXXX P CEE P CE E P CE E P XXXX CE E P CE E P CE E E P CE EP CEEEEE P CEEEEEEE E P C C C C XXXX CC C C CE E P CE E E XXXX PE CEEP x x x x x x Groundwater Peace JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:17:55 -0500 Reply-To: Bowery_Poetry_Club-feedback-28@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Ed Sanders, Max Blagg, & the Alaskan Fiddler Poet! Bowery Proclaims Spring Sprung MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 Dear Friends, Poets against war, opines our PL, Billy Collins, is like Generals for war= . Well, let's write em as if our jobs depended on it then (as well as, sa= y, life/humanity/ the world). For advice, we go to the author of Refuse t= o Be Burnt Out, Ed Sanders (Historian/Poet/Fug) who performs this weekend= , Fri & Sat, 3/14-3/15...get your tickets at virtuous.com -- get more inf= o at bowerypoetry.com. Friday, 3/14 Prof. Taylor Mead, on amphetamines and in Europe, is his= own fairy tale every Friday at 7 ($5)....The Socialist Scholars Conferen= ce has cocktail hour with us.... Ed Sanders begins his run at 8 -- promis= es new news, sweet Blakean truths ($15)...at 10:30 we bring you our mont= hly New Africa dance and music concert till the wee hours -- if you're = ready for the reality of the World Beat, drop in ... Saturday 3/15 Two of New York's quintessentials, Don Lev & Enid Dame, = bring us some of that pure poetry at 2 (Free)....where politics and poetr= y, music and performance climb in bed together: Edwin Torres & Garrett Ka= lleberg appear at 4 for Segue (4$)...Ed Sanders is back at 8 ($15/10)...a= pres is our monthly Comedy Charity Jam (10PM 10$)...& at midnight we rin= g in Jack Kerouac's Birthday Party with a whole host of luminaries led by= el maestro, David Amram 5$... =C2=A0Sunday 3/16 Urban Word Youth Slam will wake you up from 1-4pm...= at 5 (5$) the World of Poetry brings you Basque Poetry.... Playback Thea= ter returns at 7 to Freestyle Your Life ($10)...and we'll spend the remai= nder of Sunday with our dear friends from Westside Rhyme, Shawn Randall, = Karen Rockower et al(5$)....and rumor has Akim Funk Buddha filming here a= t 11:30.... Mon, 3/17 Luis Francia, Nicole Hefner & Paul Johnson will represent f= or Dixon Place in Exile at 7:30 (5$)....and then again it's the Wildest N= ight of the Week, Bob's Free4All w/ daBips & Bingo Gazingo & Rick Shapiro= & masks starting at 9 (Free), only to pause at 10 for Janice "Girlbomb"= Erlbaum & Sarah Fisch's superb Lit Series, featuring Anne Elliott, Hank = Flynn, Master Lee, Bob Powers, KE Seims ($6).... Tues 3/18 Max Blagg! Max Blagg! Max Blagg! the show this time is calle= d Non Dog Mental 7 (7$)... then it's Rick "Lenny Bruce of Poetry" Shapiro= 's one man sensation, "Repeat Offender," at 9, and Beau Sia's chill sessi= on, "Whatever" at 10:30 till the poets go home (5$)... Wed 3/19=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0At 7:30 the monthly Songwriter's Syndrome moves= in. Always a mellow scene, some great talents live here, and then a grea= t night to chat, think, write, or.... (5$) Thur 3/20 This spring we have some amazing theater lined up: Ralph Lee= 's take on Don Marquis, "Communications with a Cockroach," Lee Ann Brown'= s "13th Sunday in Ordinary Time," Joyce Johnson's new Kerouac play, "Door= Wide Open," Josh Kornbluth in "Love & Taxes" -- tonight at 6 we start ou= r run of The Tiny Ninja Theater's "Romeo & Juliet" -- watch gumball ninja= s do Shakespeare. Dov Weinstein will provide your binoculars. Urbana kic= ks spring in tuchus at 7:30 and in the spot: Morris Stegosaurus, Arnold S= tang on speed(5$)....The Alaskan Fiddler Poet, Ken Waldman, drops in for = a CD party at 10:30 ($5) and of course Rick Shapiro will schtick till he = bellies at 11:30 ($12 -- his Hero Set lasted till 1 last week)... Next week: Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge (Segue), Cross-dresser's Ball Academy Aw= ards, and the Lonely Samoans Birthday Party (tix: virtuous.com ) Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11...lunch:= homemade soup & salads & sandwiches...bar opens at 5...Poetry Forever!! The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3DA714CB746FBA3220&m=3D28 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:18:22 -0500 Reply-To: Bowery_Poetry_Club-feedback-29@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: The Peoples Poetry Gathering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Pride of Lions. . . A Gaggle of Geese. . . An Exaltation of Larks. . . = A=20 Woodstock of Words. . . A Paradise of Poets. . . Discover a =E2=80=9Cparadise of poets=E2=80=9D at the People=E2=80=99s Po= etry Gathering, cosponsored by=20 Poets House and City Lore, April 11-13, 2003, three days when the air in = Lower=20 Manhattan shimmers with voices in an exaltation of odes, sonnets, elegies= , rants=20 =E2=80=93 poetry from ancient songs to postmodern epics. A collaboration = between=20 literature and folklore, this year=E2=80=99s Gathering celebrates epics a= nd ballads=E2=80=93=20 spoken and sung narratives that live on in cultures around the world.=C2=A0= See=20 www.peoplespoetry.org=C2=A0 for schedule, directions, and ticket order fo= rm: Or call=20 212-529-1955 for information. Events take place at Cooper Union, Poets House, The Bowery Poetry Club an= d=20 throughout Manhattan. Highlights Include:=20 --An international exchange featuring discussions and readings with poets= from=20 Pakistan, Lebanon, Morocco and Bosnia including V=C3=A9nus Khoury-Ghata, = Etel Adnan,=20 Semezdin Mehmedinovic, Abdellatif La=C3=A2bi and others. --A reading of The Odyssey aboard a tall ship at The South Street Seaport= . --Performances of Beowulf by Benjamin Bagby along with readings and perfo= rmances=20 of other classic epics, including India=E2=80=99s Ramayana, Mali's Sundia= ta, Finland=E2=80=99s=20 Kalevala, and Gilgamesh, set in what is now Iraq. --Arlo Guthrie, Pete Seeger & the New Lost City Ramblers in a tribute con= cert to=20 ballad hunter, Alan Lomax. --Tribute to Langston Hughes, featuring readings by David Mills, a talk b= y Daryl=20 Pinkney, and music by composer Ricky Ian Gordon. --Poe at midnight in the Marble Cemetery; English drinking songs;=C2=A0 f= ilm=20 screenings at the Pioneer Theater; open mics, slams and much much more! Our paradise of poets includes:=C2=A0=20 CHARLES BERNSTEIN-JOHN BALABAN-TONI BLACKMAN-KAMAU BRATHWAITE-MARK DOTY-D= AVID=20 =E2=80=9CHONEYBOY=E2=80=9D EDWARDS-CAROLYN FORCH=C3=89-MARILYN HACKER-DON= ALD HALL-SUHEIR HAMMAD-JOY=20 HARJO-ODETTA-JEROME ROTHENBERG-SONIA SANCHEZ-NICK SPITZER-CK WILLIAMS _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D935C63E1B08C346E&m=3D29 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:18:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Tim Woods" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Book Release - Tim Woods, The Poetics of the Limit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim Woods, The Poetics of the Limit: Ethics and Politics in Modern and = Contemporary American Poetry (Palgrave-Macmillan: New York, 2002), xvi + = 287pp. This is new monograph situates Louis Zukofsky's poetics, and the lieage = of Objectivist poetics more broadly, within a set of fundamental ethical = concerns in American poetic modernism. Tim Woods makes a strong case for = Zukofsky as a missing key figure within this ethical matrix, viewing = Zukofsky's poetry through the lens of the work of Theodor Adorno and = Emmanuel Levinas. Building an ethical genealogy of American poetics = leading from Zukofsky and Oppen to the contemporary group of = L=3DA=3DN=3DG=3DU=3DA=3DG=3DE poets, Woods brings together modernism and = postmodernism, ethics and aesthetics, to shed new light on our = understanding of this neglected strain of modernist poetics. =B7 Marjorie Perloff, Sadie D. Patek Professor Emerita of Humanities, = Stanford University: "This major revisionary study of the radical = tradition in Modernist American Poetry is the first study I know of that = takes up, in patient, persuasive, and brilliantly learned detail, the = relation of the poetic to the ethical. . Along the way, Woods gives us = superb close readings of specific poems and places them carefully in = their context." =B7 Peter Middleton, Reader in English, Southampton University: "The = Poetics of the Limit is an impressive achievement. This major study of = the significance of ethics in the transition from modernist to = postmodernist poetics brings together archival scholarship, a thorough = knowledge of literary theory, and sensitivity to interpretative nuance, = in a highly readable account. Brilliantly tracing convergences between = the negative dialectics of Theodor Adorno, Emmanuel Levinas' ethics of = the Other, and Zukofsky's own critiques of modernity, Woods demonstrates = just how closely the history of poetic modernism and philosophical = anti-idealism are intertwined. This is also an essential source for = anyone interested in the emergence of a contemporary poetry that = questions subjectivity and reference. In short, this is a fascinating = and timely book." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:29:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: FINDINGTHEWORD REDUX MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.drexel.edu/doj/quickbrownfox.asp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:55:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: 3 of Diamonds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3 of Diamonds "Confronting America's countdown to war, throngs of chanting, placard waving demonstrators converged" "volunteers carried out a set of actions that mixed common tasks, like flipping a coin, with more unusual behavior, like using a Hershey's kiss with a dental floss container" "I said, 'This is my daughter; she grew up under my eyes.' When a soldier eventually removed her blindfold, she said, 'I believe if you want to defend your homeland, this is not the way'" The phenom lined the staff and clocked the lust of fur out of her nap and put it to her moth and flew through it until it dearly whispered. She drowns a token pinch from an aspirin picket and re-rolls the nap, stomping the token down with a clashing tomb "A breath, his heart pounding. And the sound of this tele- phone seemed a sure sign of bad news. By midweek, he was rushing off to Costco to stock up on fruit juice, bottled water, peanut butter, canned tuna and 'extra food for my cats Monster, Monkey, and Spike.' He also picked up a first-aid kit, six rolls of duct tape and a bulk pack-" Its all connect the flinching dots: our constants our nets. Now he was hurtled awake at the crossroads, closer to home than his thought, by the clatter of three skeletons leather-strapped from tree branches. Such was the law then, far from the fighting lines, the guarded flaw. The constellations fall mute, if they could ever tell. He left time to cut them down Integrity starts with the lowest prices. Information is the weapon of choice, a partner to air, sea, land. Fighting with bits and bytes not with bombs and bullets. The black side of the house. The Information Dominance Center. Without blowing everything up, without cratering the whole neighborhood, making that electrical system stop. The time for words is passed, fueled by the confrontational approach. Log every key stroke. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:47:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Jimmy no Carter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Jimmy no Carter "Our nation can be strong abroad only if it is strong at home, and we know that the best way to enhance freedom in other lands is to demonstrate here that our democratic system is worthy of emulation. To be true to ourselves, we must be true to others. We will not behave in foreign places so as to violate our rules and standards here at home, for we know that this trust which our nation earns is essential to our growth." (Jimmy Carter.) "We can have an American government that does not oppress or spy on its own people but respects our dignity and our privacy and our right to be let alone." (Jimmy Carter.) "The United States should give more vigorous support to the United Nations and to other international bodies in order to attract world attention to the denial of freedom. These bodies are limited in power, and I believe that's best; but they can serve as a conscience of the world community, and they deserve far more support than our government has given them in recent years." (Jimmy Carter) "Our no no home, nation no can no be no strong "Our abroad nation only can if be it strong is abroad at if home, it and is we strong know at that no the no best no way no to that enhance the freedom best in way other to lands enhance demonstrate other here lands our no democratic no system no worthy our of democratic emulation. system no To no true ourselves, To must true others. must We be will true not to behaveothers. foreign no places so no as in violate places rules as standards violate for no this for trust we which know earns trust essentialour growth." (Jimmy no Carter.) to "We no have no an no American "We government can does an oppress government or that spy does on not its oppress own no people no but no respects no dignity people privacy our right our let alone." no "The no United no States no should no give "The more United vigorous States support should Nations support international no bodies and order other attract bodies world in attention order denial no freedom. no These the are of limited freedom. power, bodies I limited believe in that's of best; the they community, serve best; a they conscience can community, conscience deserve them far in than deserve has support given than them our recent years." (Jimmy no Carter.) no (GWB.) === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:07:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: war\nm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII war m are it. it. you too - the - lot - them whole cold - - of under - warning state we're emergency declared :resistance of die. war! exist. needs. have other other agony, die. idiot, that year? beautiful exist. he terrible he listens what radio time television, he knows and about - thrown military balance, tending all military energy towards Raum. invisible frightened, towards slaughter... battered forward, saying lovely i'm you warriors warming snowy, warriors warning emergency we're under- declared - tomorrow. alas, shaking towards time at opening this gladness. and asking, wayward contrary. === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 01:22:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: poem (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII waiting against the wall, i crawled out from under sun; his gun betrayed a single eye cocked in my direction. it followed me. i walked still. i could never run in the midst of constant insurrection. in such will, war is made. the tracers followed me upon the sea; we were all betrayed. the worlds' erasers turned the mill, crushing bodies hurled and burned for liberty; we drank the whole night through. our bodies stank. our rank betrayed us. underground, the metals clawed, churned up without a sound, ready to crank the war's spurned death in the mound of spacers. bones broke, eyes sank breathless in the muck of screams. life at the seams couldn't give a fuck. with luck we came home lame. - j.r. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:28:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Music & Tears: Bush=?ISO-8859-1?B?uQ==?=s Friday Cabinet Meeting Comments: cc: Brian Stefans MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Music & Tears: Bush=B9s Friday Cabinet Meeting (Gothic News, 03/14) The White House Cabinet DJ today was asked to change the music that greets Bush Cabinet Members before opening the morning meeting. In recent weeks - in the spirit of creating a "Coalition of the Willing" -=20 Officials typically arrive, stand around and tap their wing-tip shoes and shake their padded shoulders Mick Jagger and The Rolling belt out multiple choruses of "Under My Thumb." The week at the United Nations, however, has been a United States=B9 embarrassment and public relation=B9s disaster. "A Non- Starter" is how Bush=B9s aides privately sum up the Administration=B9s attempt to coerce and/or finance six practically bankrupt countries into supporting the British/US Resolution to eliminate UN Inspections. "Jagger is no longer on the menu," Bush told the Cabinet DJ. "Unfortunately all of us have to get into the spirit of letting Tony Blair know that we ar= e about to hang him out to dry. Make the song as sad as you want." Arriving at this morning=B9s meeting, Cabinet Members soon pulled out their tissues, sat down and hung their heads over the table and listened to repeated cuts of Neal Young singing, "Helpless, Helpless, Helpless." "That=B9s just what I wanted," the President nodded approvingly to the DJ. "Helpless is it." "I think he=B9s a whiner," Rumsfeld announced. . "If the shoe don=B9t fit, Mr. Secretary," the President shot back, "Don=B9t wea= r it. Let=B9s Pray!" Presidential spokespersons refused to confirm or refute the story, particularly whether or not Cabinet members were actually shedding tears. "We do not =AD in any way, shape or form =AD ever approve of or comment on Cabinet leaks."=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 02:09:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Weblogs Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST > From: Craig Allen Conrad > Subject: Re: Weblogs > > In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: > > << Conrad, > > > I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to you, > > it would have sounded different. >> > > HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there for a minute. anyway, if > your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down to it and lift its head > so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument deserves proper oxygen. > i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my little nurse uniform to the > rescue. > > what i think is SO interesting of course is that this started because i > requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can start a list, that's all. > and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, that's right, i forgot, you > cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling you did on the subject. > yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat yesterday praising the > miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to change our minds once in > awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the "List" isn't as vital as it > used to be, poor little list. > > all my love, > CAConrad > p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow chicks. i want pink of > course. > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ "Poor little list." How sweet, CA. This is the first time in months that I feel like quoting some talk as I do above and respond directly like the "old days"- maybe six months, a year ago. These are also the moments when I remember I should probably fish out Joel Kuzai's noble book again "Poetics @" (Roof). I remember feeling months ago when talking on after reading responding here almost every day for some weeks at a time that I could hold on to a realization (hope?) that poetics could really move forward just like any other rigorous study. Yes, yes I know, I keep getting reminded -no progress in this- I've said it myself but I don't believe it when I'm feeling optimistic about poetics as I have lately or at this moment. The thing is, it's like building a house of cards, working so indirectly with a group of people in an intuitive and improvisatory way to try to figure out some poetics concepts together, and try to keep them in place for awhile and work with the patterns that appear to be emerging though continuously and frustratingly evanescent. In this way, poetics is like writing a poem with a very loosely organized group of poets, spontaneously volunteering to work on something, as if they wanted to build a bridge so that people could get across it In inclement weather or having to function together and requiring some firm structure however temporary in a generally unsatisfactory or unfortunate situation. Its just that surrounding this situation (maybe because of the sheer anxiety such bold hopes can bring forth?) this effort itself seems to generate a strong counterforce in some other people when they realize how easy it is to blow down, knock down the whole structure, whateverit vaguely is, or seems to be, so far, with a single breath or bullying shove, or practical joke; or gesture of contempt or other sort of mean spirited hopelessness, as opposed to generative, mockery and teasing which brings people together in laughter, as compared to pushing them apart in isolated bitterness, or cynicism. This kind of destructive mischief also sometimes functions as a sort of comic relief and then maybe many of those even distantly involved want to forget about this whole needle in a haystack effort and go back to less quixotic and "naively" (utopian?) projects- often their individual projects. Like their "own" poetry- heh heh- as if there actually existed much of such a thing. Was there ever? Certain not now, not possible now, it seems to me. Only poets care about such things, care about each other's poetry much at all, In the here and now of it. Every poem, and every work in poetics is very much a group effort whether poets acknowledges this to themselves or each overtly or not. One signs the poems, the works, for sure, but deep down they know they are not, can't be, under current circumstances anyway, just "theirs." Don't they? Don't we? (I wasn't thinking of your post today, Halvard, asking for a pause in the theorizing to receive some response for some specific projects.) Wondering how CA is doing with building this list. Might be a good idea, CA, to check out the history of blogging article Laurable posted a link to today on her blog. Seemed very useful to me, reading it today, going back to the roots of blogging and tracing this astonishing progression from 24 people in 1998 through September 2000 when it was still far less than the million plus bloggers now. Laurable may know more about this, I have a hunch, than she has the time or inclination to talk (write) about right now. Too busy just doing it, contributing to it, I suppose, to have that much time to discuss it? Theorize about it? Or maybe no one has asked? I know there are conferences and symposia. Oh god, there are always conferences and symposia. Onward! (heh heh) -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:24:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: parataxis and seriality MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm compiling a list of critical sources that discuss parataxis and = seriality in relation to modern and contemporary poetics. I would be = very grateful to those who can b/c me to sources that fit this = description. Many thanks. Scott Pound "The mother tongue is propaganda"=20 --Marshall McLuhan (1965) Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 08:33:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Joint Chiefs Realize U.S. Forces In Gulf Are Pointed In the Wrong Direction Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Joint Chiefs Realize U.S. Forces In Gulf Are Pointed In the Wrong Direction: Camp New York---When Being All You Can Be Embarrasses Yo Mama: The Monumental and Willful Ignorance Of The Media On Full Display Thru Doomsday By YASO ADIODI The Assassinated Press March 14, 2003 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." 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Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:09:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" why not suggest to kuzai and sherry a poetics@volume II post 9/11 featuring largely ...nick! and others of course. it seems that there were some important threads that were sustained in the spring/summer of 2002, as well as the discussion of flags as transitional objects, and all the stuff of late: s vincent's imaginary truths, brian stefans's circulars, cb's enough, etc. At 2:09 AM -0500 3/15/03, Nick Piombino wrote: > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST >> From: Craig Allen Conrad >> Subject: Re: Weblogs >> >> In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: >> >> << Conrad, >> >> >> I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to you, >> >> it would have sounded different. >> >> >> HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there for a minute. anyway, if >> your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down to it and lift its head >> so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument deserves proper oxygen. >> i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my little nurse uniform to the >> rescue. >> >> what i think is SO interesting of course is that this started because i >> requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can start a list, >>that's all. >> and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, that's right, i forgot, you >> cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling you did on the subject. >> yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat yesterday praising the >> miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to change our minds once in >> awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the "List" isn't as vital as it >> used to be, poor little list. >> >> all my love, >> CAConrad >> p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow chicks. i want pink of >> course. >> >HREF="http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/">http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > >"Poor little list." How sweet, CA. This is the first time in months that I >feel like quoting some talk as I do above and respond directly like the "old >days"- maybe six months, a year ago. These are also the moments when I >remember I should probably fish out Joel Kuzai's noble book again "Poetics >@" (Roof). > >I remember feeling months ago when talking on after reading responding here >almost every day for some weeks at a time that I could hold on to a >realization (hope?) that poetics could really move forward just like any >other rigorous study. Yes, yes I know, I keep getting reminded -no progress >in this- I've said it myself but I don't believe it when I'm feeling >optimistic about poetics as I have lately or at this moment. > >The thing is, it's like building a house of cards, working so indirectly >with a group of people in an intuitive and improvisatory way to try to >figure out some poetics concepts together, and try to keep them in place for >awhile and work with the patterns that appear to be emerging though >continuously and frustratingly evanescent. In this way, poetics is like >writing a poem with a very loosely organized group of poets, spontaneously >volunteering to work on something, as if they wanted to build a bridge so >that people could get across it In inclement weather or having to function >together and requiring some firm structure however temporary in a generally >unsatisfactory or unfortunate situation. Its just that surrounding this >situation (maybe because of the sheer anxiety such bold hopes can bring >forth?) this effort itself seems to generate a strong counterforce in some >other people when they realize how easy it is to blow down, knock down the >whole structure, whateverit vaguely is, or seems to be, so far, with a >single breath or bullying shove, or practical joke; or gesture of contempt >or other sort of mean spirited hopelessness, as opposed to generative, >mockery and teasing which brings people together in laughter, as compared to >pushing them apart in isolated bitterness, or cynicism. > >This kind of destructive mischief also sometimes functions as a sort of >comic relief and then maybe many of those even distantly involved want to >forget about this whole needle in a haystack effort and go back to less >quixotic and "naively" (utopian?) projects- often their individual projects. >Like their "own" poetry- heh heh- as if there actually existed much of such >a thing. Was there ever? Certain not now, not possible now, it seems to me. >Only poets care about such things, care about each other's poetry much at >all, In the here and now of it. Every poem, and every work in poetics is >very much a group effort whether poets acknowledges this to themselves or >each overtly or not. One signs the poems, the works, for sure, but deep down >they know they are not, can't be, under current circumstances anyway, just >"theirs." Don't they? Don't we? > >(I wasn't thinking of your post today, Halvard, asking for a pause in the >theorizing to receive some response for some specific projects.) > >Wondering how CA is doing with building this list. Might be a good idea, CA, >to check out the history of blogging article Laurable posted a link to today >on her blog. Seemed very useful to me, reading it today, going back to the >roots of blogging and tracing this astonishing progression from 24 people in >1998 through September 2000 when it was still far less than the million plus >bloggers now. > > Laurable may know more about this, I have a hunch, than she has the time or >inclination to talk (write) about right now. Too busy just doing it, >contributing to it, I suppose, to have that much time to discuss it? >Theorize about it? Or maybe no one has asked? I know there are conferences >and symposia. Oh god, there are always conferences and symposia. > > >Onward! (heh heh) > >-Nick- -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 11:08:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: deadline extended, CFW Comments: To: writers-l@umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ignore the deadline posted here. can't remember what the new one is, but i know they're still looking. Call for Submissions Spout Press announces a call for submissions for its upcoming anthology and cocktail guide. We are looking for poems that mention specific cocktails=97the poems will be published next to the recipe for the cited drink . Anything goes: from a rusty nail to a boilermaker, from joy to confusion. We are looking for poems about anything, as long as they mention a drink we can provide a recipe for. Please surprise and amaze us. Send up to five poems and an SASE to: Spout Press cocktail guide, PO Box 581067, Minneapolis, MN 55458-1067. Deadline: February 19, 2003. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:09:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I think maybe the time has come for a piece on the poetics of listserving, blogging, etc. form vs. content, flaming tempers, posturing, etc. not that I'd want to write or read it. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Weblogs > why not suggest to kuzai and sherry a poetics@volume II post 9/11 > featuring largely ...nick! and others of course. it seems that there > were some important threads that were sustained in the spring/summer > of 2002, as well as the discussion of flags as transitional objects, > and all the stuff of late: s vincent's imaginary truths, brian > stefans's circulars, cb's enough, etc. > > At 2:09 AM -0500 3/15/03, Nick Piombino wrote: > > > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST > >> From: Craig Allen Conrad > >> Subject: Re: Weblogs > >> > >> In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: > >> > >> << Conrad, > >> > >> > >> I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to you, > >> > >> it would have sounded different. >> > >> > >> HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there for a minute. anyway, if > >> your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down to it and lift its head > >> so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument deserves proper oxygen. > >> i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my little nurse uniform to the > >> rescue. > >> > >> what i think is SO interesting of course is that this started because i > >> requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can start a list, > >>that's all. > >> and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, that's right, i forgot, you > >> cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling you did on the subject. > >> yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat yesterday praising the > >> miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to change our minds once in > >> awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the "List" isn't as vital as it > >> used to be, poor little list. > >> > >> all my love, > >> CAConrad > >> p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow chicks. i want pink of > >> course. > >> >>HREF="http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/">http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > > >"Poor little list." How sweet, CA. This is the first time in months that I > >feel like quoting some talk as I do above and respond directly like the "old > >days"- maybe six months, a year ago. These are also the moments when I > >remember I should probably fish out Joel Kuzai's noble book again "Poetics > >@" (Roof). > > > >I remember feeling months ago when talking on after reading responding here > >almost every day for some weeks at a time that I could hold on to a > >realization (hope?) that poetics could really move forward just like any > >other rigorous study. Yes, yes I know, I keep getting reminded -no progress > >in this- I've said it myself but I don't believe it when I'm feeling > >optimistic about poetics as I have lately or at this moment. > > > >The thing is, it's like building a house of cards, working so indirectly > >with a group of people in an intuitive and improvisatory way to try to > >figure out some poetics concepts together, and try to keep them in place for > >awhile and work with the patterns that appear to be emerging though > >continuously and frustratingly evanescent. In this way, poetics is like > >writing a poem with a very loosely organized group of poets, spontaneously > >volunteering to work on something, as if they wanted to build a bridge so > >that people could get across it In inclement weather or having to function > >together and requiring some firm structure however temporary in a generally > >unsatisfactory or unfortunate situation. Its just that surrounding this > >situation (maybe because of the sheer anxiety such bold hopes can bring > >forth?) this effort itself seems to generate a strong counterforce in some > >other people when they realize how easy it is to blow down, knock down the > >whole structure, whateverit vaguely is, or seems to be, so far, with a > >single breath or bullying shove, or practical joke; or gesture of contempt > >or other sort of mean spirited hopelessness, as opposed to generative, > >mockery and teasing which brings people together in laughter, as compared to > >pushing them apart in isolated bitterness, or cynicism. > > > >This kind of destructive mischief also sometimes functions as a sort of > >comic relief and then maybe many of those even distantly involved want to > >forget about this whole needle in a haystack effort and go back to less > >quixotic and "naively" (utopian?) projects- often their individual projects. > >Like their "own" poetry- heh heh- as if there actually existed much of such > >a thing. Was there ever? Certain not now, not possible now, it seems to me. > >Only poets care about such things, care about each other's poetry much at > >all, In the here and now of it. Every poem, and every work in poetics is > >very much a group effort whether poets acknowledges this to themselves or > >each overtly or not. One signs the poems, the works, for sure, but deep down > >they know they are not, can't be, under current circumstances anyway, just > >"theirs." Don't they? Don't we? > > > >(I wasn't thinking of your post today, Halvard, asking for a pause in the > >theorizing to receive some response for some specific projects.) > > > >Wondering how CA is doing with building this list. Might be a good idea, CA, > >to check out the history of blogging article Laurable posted a link to today > >on her blog. Seemed very useful to me, reading it today, going back to the > >roots of blogging and tracing this astonishing progression from 24 people in > >1998 through September 2000 when it was still far less than the million plus > >bloggers now. > > > > Laurable may know more about this, I have a hunch, than she has the time or > >inclination to talk (write) about right now. Too busy just doing it, > >contributing to it, I suppose, to have that much time to discuss it? > >Theorize about it? Or maybe no one has asked? I know there are conferences > >and symposia. Oh god, there are always conferences and symposia. > > > > > >Onward! (heh heh) > > > >-Nick- > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:04:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: <036101c2eb47$f5476f20$f2113444@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII See recent entries on Heriberto Yepez's Tijuana Bible of Poetics (http://thetijuanabibleofpoetics.blogspot.com/), esp. the long entry for 5 March. Damian On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:09:39 -0600 tombell wrote: > I think maybe the time has come for a piece on the poetics of listserving, > blogging, etc. form vs. content, flaming tempers, posturing, etc. > > not that I'd want to write or read it. > > tom bell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Damon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Weblogs > > > > why not suggest to kuzai and sherry a poetics@volume II post 9/11 > > featuring largely ...nick! and others of course. it seems that there > > were some important threads that were sustained in the spring/summer > > of 2002, as well as the discussion of flags as transitional objects, > > and all the stuff of late: s vincent's imaginary truths, brian > > stefans's circulars, cb's enough, etc. > > > > At 2:09 AM -0500 3/15/03, Nick Piombino wrote: > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST > > >> From: Craig Allen Conrad > > >> Subject: Re: Weblogs > > >> > > >> In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, > Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU writes: > > >> > >> << Conrad, > > >> > >> > > >> I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If > I were talking to you, > > >> > >> it would have sounded different. >> > > >> > >> HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there > for a minute. anyway, if > > >> your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down > to it and lift its head > > >> so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument > deserves proper oxygen. > > >> i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my > little nurse uniform to the > > >> rescue. > >> > > >> what i think is SO interesting of course is that this > started because i > > >> requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can > start a list, > >>that's all. > > >> and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, > that's right, i forgot, you > > >> cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling > you did on the subject. > > >> yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat > yesterday praising the > > >> miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to > change our minds once in > > >> awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the > "List" isn't as vital as it > > >> used to be, poor little list. > >> > > >> all my love, > >> CAConrad > > >> p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow > chicks. i want pink of > > >> course. > >> > > >>HREF="http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/">http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >"Poor little list." How sweet, CA. This is the first > time in months that I > > >feel like quoting some talk as I do above and respond > directly like the "old > > >days"- maybe six months, a year ago. These are also the > moments when I > >remember I should probably fish out Joel > Kuzai's noble book again "Poetics > > >@" (Roof). > > > > >I remember feeling months ago when talking on after > reading responding here > > >almost every day for some weeks at a time that I could > hold on to a > >realization (hope?) that poetics could > really move forward just like any > >other rigorous study. > Yes, yes I know, I keep getting reminded -no progress > > >in this- I've said it myself but I don't believe it when > I'm feeling > >optimistic about poetics as I have lately or > at this moment. > > > > >The thing is, it's like building a house of cards, > working so indirectly > >with a group of people in an > intuitive and improvisatory way to try to > >figure out > some poetics concepts together, and try to keep them in > place for > > >awhile and work with the patterns that appear to be > emerging though > >continuously and frustratingly > evanescent. In this way, poetics is like > >writing a poem > with a very loosely organized group of poets, spontaneously > > >volunteering to work on something, as if they wanted to > build a bridge so > >that people could get across it In > inclement weather or having to function > > >together and requiring some firm structure however > temporary in a generally > > >unsatisfactory or unfortunate situation. Its just that > surrounding this > >situation (maybe because of the sheer > anxiety such bold hopes can bring > >forth?) this effort > itself seems to generate a strong counterforce in some > > >other people when they realize how easy it is to blow > down, knock down the > > >whole structure, whateverit vaguely is, or seems to be, > so far, with a > >single breath or bullying shove, or > practical joke; or gesture of contempt > > >or other sort of mean spirited hopelessness, as opposed > to generative, > >mockery and teasing which brings people > together in laughter, as compared to > > >pushing them apart in isolated bitterness, or cynicism. > > > > >This kind of destructive mischief also sometimes > functions as a sort of > >comic relief and then maybe many > of those even distantly involved want to > >forget about > this whole needle in a haystack effort and go back to less > > >quixotic and "naively" (utopian?) projects- often their > individual projects. > > >Like their "own" poetry- heh heh- as if there actually > existed much of such > > >a thing. Was there ever? Certain not now, not possible > now, it seems to me. > > >Only poets care about such things, care about each > other's poetry much at > >all, In the here and now of it. > Every poem, and every work in poetics is > >very much a > group effort whether poets acknowledges this to > themselves or > > >each overtly or not. One signs the poems, the works, for > sure, but deep down > > >they know they are not, can't be, under current > circumstances anyway, just > > >"theirs." Don't they? Don't we? > > > > >(I wasn't thinking of your post today, Halvard, asking > for a pause in the > >theorizing to receive some response > for some specific projects.) > > > > >Wondering how CA is doing with building this list. Might > be a good idea, CA, > > >to check out the history of blogging article Laurable > posted a link to today > > >on her blog. Seemed very useful to me, reading it today, > going back to the > > >roots of blogging and tracing this astonishing > progression from 24 people in > > >1998 through September 2000 when it was still far less > than the million plus > > >bloggers now. > > > > > Laurable may know more about this, I have a hunch, > than she has the time or > > >inclination to talk (write) about right now. Too busy > just doing it, > >contributing to it, I suppose, to have > that much time to discuss it? > >Theorize about it? Or > maybe no one has asked? I know there are conferences > > >and symposia. Oh god, there are always conferences and > symposia. > > > > > > >Onward! (heh heh) > > > > >-Nick- > > > > > -- :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:31:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Weblogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think maybe the time has come for a poetics television station with poetics dating game shows and poetics cooking shows and I RAISE MY HAND FIRST to host the poetics daily soap opera what a sexy saga that will be and LIVE poetics seances where we speak to Emily and Gertrude and Mina and Sappho and HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY watching our poet asses down here at the computer terminals not that Gertrude and Mina wouldn't take to it rather well Gertrude.Blogspot.com and maybe some really GREAT poetry news shows where we could get Ron Silliman to anchor with Lyn Hejinian or some other FABULOUS elder woman poet and we could have poet reporters stationed all over the fucking place giving the latest weather report since weather is vital to the numbers of people who show up for poetry readings oh come on now we all must have other ideas!!!?!!! eating Easter candy on sale probably left over from last year, CAConrad > I think maybe the time has come for a piece on the poetics of listserving, > blogging, etc. form vs. content, flaming tempers, posturing, etc. > > not that I'd want to write or read it. > > tom bell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Damon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:09 AM > Subject: Re: Weblogs > > > > why not suggest to kuzai and sherry a poetics@volume II post 9/11 > > featuring largely ...nick! and others of course. it seems that there > > were some important threads that were sustained in the spring/summer > > of 2002, as well as the discussion of flags as transitional objects, > > and all the stuff of late: s vincent's imaginary truths, brian > > stefans's circulars, cb's enough, etc. > > > > At 2:09 AM -0500 3/15/03, Nick Piombino wrote: > > > > > > >> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:30 EST > > >> From: Craig Allen Conrad > > >> Subject: Re: Weblogs > > >> > > >> In a message dated 03/13/2003 6:53:07 PM, Joseph.Safdie@LWTC.CTC.EDU > writes: > > >> > > >> << Conrad, > > >> > > >> > > >> I wrote like that because I was replying to Nick. If I were talking to > you, > > >> > > >> it would have sounded different. >> > > >> > > >> HA-HA! that's good, i was really worried there for a minute. anyway, > if > > >> your argument gets any weaker i PROMISE to bend down to it and lift > its head > > >> so it doesn't choke on its tongue. every argument deserves proper > oxygen. > > >> i'm just trying to help out after all, me and my little nurse uniform > to the > > >> rescue. > > >> > > >> what i think is SO interesting of course is that this started because > i > > >> requested that poets with Blogs contact me so i can start a list, > > >>that's all. > > >> and we all know how you feel about Blogs, oops, that's right, i > forgot, you > > >> cleared that up with all that rigorous back-peddling you did on the > subject. > > >> yeah, i could almost hear you breaking into a sweat yesterday praising > the > > >> miracle of Blogs. nevermind, we're all entitled to change our minds > once in > > >> awhile. dear me oh my, these dark days when the "List" isn't as vital > as it > > >> used to be, poor little list. > > >> > > >> all my love, > > >> CAConrad > > >> p.s. Easter is coming, let's exchange marshmallow chicks. i want pink > of > > >> course. > > >> > > >>HREF="http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/">http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > > > > >"Poor little list." How sweet, CA. This is the first time in months that > I > > >feel like quoting some talk as I do above and respond directly like the > "old > > >days"- maybe six months, a year ago. These are also the moments when I > > >remember I should probably fish out Joel Kuzai's noble book again > "Poetics > > >@" (Roof). > > > > > >I remember feeling months ago when talking on after reading responding > here > > >almost every day for some weeks at a time that I could hold on to a > > >realization (hope?) that poetics could really move forward just like any > > >other rigorous study. Yes, yes I know, I keep getting reminded -no > progress > > >in this- I've said it myself but I don't believe it when I'm feeling > > >optimistic about poetics as I have lately or at this moment. > > > > > >The thing is, it's like building a house of cards, working so indirectly > > >with a group of people in an intuitive and improvisatory way to try to > > >figure out some poetics concepts together, and try to keep them in place > for > > >awhile and work with the patterns that appear to be emerging though > > >continuously and frustratingly evanescent. In this way, poetics is like > > >writing a poem with a very loosely organized group of poets, > spontaneously > > >volunteering to work on something, as if they wanted to build a bridge so > > >that people could get across it In inclement weather or having to > function > > >together and requiring some firm structure however temporary in a > generally > > >unsatisfactory or unfortunate situation. Its just that surrounding this > > >situation (maybe because of the sheer anxiety such bold hopes can bring > > >forth?) this effort itself seems to generate a strong counterforce in > some > > >other people when they realize how easy it is to blow down, knock down > the > > >whole structure, whateverit vaguely is, or seems to be, so far, with a > > >single breath or bullying shove, or practical joke; or gesture of > contempt > > >or other sort of mean spirited hopelessness, as opposed to generative, > > >mockery and teasing which brings people together in laughter, as compared > to > > >pushing them apart in isolated bitterness, or cynicism. > > > > > >This kind of destructive mischief also sometimes functions as a sort of > > >comic relief and then maybe many of those even distantly involved want to > > >forget about this whole needle in a haystack effort and go back to less > > >quixotic and "naively" (utopian?) projects- often their individual > projects. > > >Like their "own" poetry- heh heh- as if there actually existed much of > such > > >a thing. Was there ever? Certain not now, not possible now, it seems to > me. > > >Only poets care about such things, care about each other's poetry much at > > >all, In the here and now of it. Every poem, and every work in poetics is > > >very much a group effort whether poets acknowledges this to themselves > or > > >each overtly or not. One signs the poems, the works, for sure, but deep > down > > >they know they are not, can't be, under current circumstances anyway, > just > > >"theirs." Don't they? Don't we? > > > > > >(I wasn't thinking of your post today, Halvard, asking for a pause in the > > >theorizing to receive some response for some specific projects.) > > > > > >Wondering how CA is doing with building this list. Might be a good idea, > CA, > > >to check out the history of blogging article Laurable posted a link to > today > > >on her blog. Seemed very useful to me, reading it today, going back to > the > > >roots of blogging and tracing this astonishing progression from 24 people > in > > >1998 through September 2000 when it was still far less than the million > plus > > >bloggers now. > > > > > > Laurable may know more about this, I have a hunch, than she has the > time or > > >inclination to talk (write) about right now. Too busy just doing it, > > >contributing to it, I suppose, to have that much time to discuss it? > > >Theorize about it? Or maybe no one has asked? I know there are > conferences > > >and symposia. Oh god, there are always conferences and > symposia. > > > > > > > > >Onward! (heh heh) > > > > > >-Nick- > > > > > > -- http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/03/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:35:59 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: riveted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit botched cycle. plan of attack goes into the bin with the other things. today may be too late. so I was inventing a needful collaboration when, in the offing, there could be seen. that was luckily, affording a calm in a season. lost in this was amenity, the back part of the forward thinking program. a wily system has grown, to tell us of place, and where place goes when we are not looking. this is an address. poetry sent me to a statement that was ready to curve. that was factual basis in a roaming charge. mildly absurd convenience rises to blemish. I'm appalled by these. constant opinion in a political state reminds us of seasonings for our salad. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:30:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Behrle Subject: Re: Weblogs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Imagine if the Buffalo List required you to have written at least one good poem in your life to join. It would be out of business in hours. The best poets lurk, with the messages no doubt directed directly to their trash. How could one endure it otherwise? And why endure it? At its best it is a minefield with scattered patches of green dogshit attached to Jumping Jacks. The interesting interactions, nostalgic remembered, must never have reached me, and don't appear in the archives. There's been little here worth anything but emphatic deletion. 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The interesting interactions, nostalgicly remembered, must never have reached me, and don't appear in the archives. There's been little here worth anything but emphatic deletion. And if you think I'm part of the problem, I am easily avoidable in blogland. Visit anytime, or don't. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:49:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Davies Subject: George Stanley In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030310091133.026f57d0@pop.bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (from) SPD RECOMMENDS: NEW TITLES for March 1-March 14, 2003 ORDERS: 1-800-869-7553 ORDERS@SPDBOOKS.ORG FAX: 1-510-524-0852 WWW.SPDBOOKS.ORG Try Electronic Ordering! SPD is on PUBNET (SAN #106-6617) Questions? Contact Brent Cunningham at brent@spdbooks.org *****New Poetry from Qua Books***** A TALL, SERIOUS GIRL: SELECTED POEMS 1957-2000 by Stanley, George $25.00 / PA / 224pp. Qua Books, 2003 ISBN: 0-9708763-2-7 Poetry. This new collection of poems from George Stanley includes his acclaimed "White Matches" and "Paradise Shelter" as well as other selections spanning his remarkable oeuvre. "From the first, George Stanley was one of those great natural talents of whom all other poets are jealous. There is an ease and deftness to his line, his sense of tone, the acuity of his vision that is so constantly on target as to be eerie" --Ron Silliman. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:53:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: EDDY #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit EDDY #0001 EXCERT bhutan of all conspicuously extraparliamentary conspicuously extraparliamentary conspicuously extraparliamentary lockheed and boeing have be employing lake lockheed and boeing have be employing were for certainly did between the selfishness certainly did between the selfishness certainly did between the selfishness would have only yummy would have only real chain excessive among these were standards eyeing give though this though this though this night welcoming the opportunity to leave the night 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Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 10:41:19 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAYDREAMS 17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM \ \ \ | = = P | | = E C | | = =A | | = / \ | E | | / | / / Peace on the offensive JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:34:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: kaddish of the words MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII kaddish of the words mourning three yahrzeit, ago, this kaddish, forgetting years mourner's not shami any mother to wanting yiskadal more shami forget mother vyiskaddash hungry evil, be olam, but to this alive, evil, world, olam, tangible world, shattered us unblessed so leaving debris behind, shattered much, buildings to new again slaughters in evolutions york, iraq, and again off with baruch on adonai side, god and our heavy-tredding, moab atah marduk, elohainu, the her eye, passing, first eye, mourning blinded hair, last eye, of kiss, hair, touch everyone, leaving open, shattering leaving breaking one mourning look how daven can no before present, deen, year, sadness crying, the inaudible, this listening, avi, longer longer avi, the bonjour of in debris, mourning, baghdad dawn baghdad another the shifting, ascend evolutions, sifting, would and, irak mourning yahrzeit, this forgetting yahrzeit, the forgetting mourner's, the kaddish, mourner's three kaddish, years three ago, years mourning ago, this not more wanting to any forget more yiskadal to vyiskaddash forget shami yiskadal rabbah, vyiskaddash mother shami not rabbah, wanting mother any hungry not be world, alive, this but tangible world, olam, tangible to evil, be olam, but unblessed us leaving so us much behind, debris so against much shattered debris, this against unblessed shattered world, buildings and in evolutions new in york, iraq, slaughters off and to evolutions war iraq, buildings off in war york, again slaughters with side, god moab on and our marduk, side, heavy-tredding, moab baruch marduk, adonai heavy-tredding, with baruch god atah on adonai our elohainu, first her last first passing, last the passing, opened opened mourning eye, her blinded kiss, kiss, hair, touch of blinded hair, mourning for everyone, everyone, shattering shattering everyone, breaking open, open, sefirot sefirot leaving how before one the can deen, look no or one daven present, before mourning deen, how no one present, look sadness this year, inaudible, crying, this inaudible, this she sadness longer the listening, sadness seeing, eye, ani no avi, longer bonjour mourning, baghdad baghdad mourning, dawn dawn bonjour another in debris, the sand sifting, shifting, slaughters sifting, and evolutions, would would the ascend sand rise arise arise laila boker olam laila rise olam ascend, irak mourning this yahrzeit, forgetting the mourner's kaddish, three years ago, not wanting any more to forget yiskadal vyiskaddash shami rabbah, mother hungry be alive, but world, tangible evil, olam, unblessed leaving us behind, so much debris against shattered buildings in new york, slaughters and evolutions iraq, off war again with god on our side, moab marduk, heavy-tredding, baruch atah adonai elohainu, her first last passing, opened eye, blinded kiss, touch of hair, for everyone, shattering breaking open sefirot, how one can look or daven before deen, no present, sadness year, crying, inaudible, she longer listening, seeing, ani avi, bonjour baghdad mourning, dawn another debris, sand shifting, sifting, evolutions, would ascend rise arise boker laila olam, irak === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 19:37:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Again on Conchology Blog Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers Comments: cc: pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I state my desire to be cool. I describe a pre-breakfast conversation with Kent Johnson. I describe listening to the post-Kent-Johnson Wordsworth reading. I mourn for my book. Also a 5,000-word log of my drive from Illinois to Rhode Island and back, Febr 14 and Febr 19th. recent favorites: Julia Ward Howe: The Mohammed Atta of American Poetry? -- a discussion of the poetry and proclamations of the author of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" rhode island notebook, 2.26.03-3.02.03 --a logbook of my recent drive to Rhode Island from Illinois and back Dung in An Age of Empire: A Brief Disquisition on Dung in Our Time Poetry's Long Kinship with War and Violence http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ Forthcoming: A Report on Kent Johnson's reading at RISD 3.13.03 (arranged by Mairead Byrne) An Encomium for Maria Damon (and she DOESN'T KNIT, JIM! YOU OAF!!!!) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:08:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The Stroller Project/Action in NY In-Reply-To: <16f.1bf58bf8.2ba52a24@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Spread the word! The Stroller Project George W. Bush is preparing to "Shock and Awe" the world with one of the most devastating bombing campaigns in human history. Most of his victims will be babies and young children. To dramatize the imminent horror, Artists Against the War (aawnion) invites you to participate in a massive group action at the peace march organized by United for Peace and Justice in NY next Saturday, March 22nd. We will parade through the streets with empty children's strollers, as well as strollers with children in them. The empty strollers will have attached posters that say,"Thou Shall Not Kill (Children)" and "Almost 50% of Iraq's population is under 15 years old." We will pin the same message to the clothing of children seated in the strollers, and a grand horizontal banner bearing the identical message will precede our strollers through the streets. The march begins at noon on 34th and Broadway and continues down Broadway, ending at Washington Square. Please join us, and circulate this "call" to everyone you know - we need all of you! The Stroller Project marchers will congregate on West 40th Street, between Broadway and 7th Avenue at 11.30 AM. Some posters will be available there, but you will be able to download your own as of March 18th, 4 PM, at: www.geocities.com/aawnion/index.html or www.artistsnetwork.org. Please distribute them to preschools, play groups, nurseries, day care centers and organizations of parents for peace. You do not need to be a parent to march with a stroller! Empty or full, the alert to potential devastation is clear. If you cannot attend but wish to drop off a stroller that could be used, or to pick one up for the march, email: strollersNYC@aol.com for the address, date, and times. We will need strollers for further actions, so donate if you can. To contact Artists Against the War: aawnion@hotmail.com. For more info about the march and to confirm its itinerary: www.unitedforpeace.org. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:48:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: OUROBOROUS #0003 EXCERPT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OUROBOROUS #0003 EXCERPT standing close to her and looked over at standing close to her and looked over at standing close to her and looked over at films for years now and still liked her. 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I also explained to Bruce redirected as the curtain was slowly arse! The feeling I had when I had been discussed all sorts of subjects most of discussed all sorts of subjects most of discussed all sorts of subjects most of leaned forward and stood in front of her We arrived at the hotel, which was on leaned forward and stood in front of her listened as Victoria drove Corinthians grotto our command/control workstation Corinthians grotto our command/control workstation Corinthians grotto our command/control workstation wear a pair of my sweat pants or avatars obligations wear a pair of my sweat pants or blasted out of my lungs and I dove for employing such means employing such means employing such means trajectory lot earlier than he thinks I wonder just looking at me. I couldn't hold myself looking at me. I couldn't hold myself looking at me. I couldn't hold myself only out I had, and if I faked it the -lived as the guards and attendants push teasing her nipple to erection. Then it only out I had, and if I faked it the -lived as the guards and attendants push interest partly had Ecole Nationale des Sciences COrrelation Detection on geflit COrrelation Detection on geflit COrrelation Detection on geflit the movement of my writhing, arched back discussed all sorts of subjects most of the movement of my writhing, arched back another of our friends who is nursing a his balls. his balls. his balls. until closing time and then put the hard Corinthians grotto our command/control workstation until closing time and then put the hard had been talking for about minutes his forehead and the muscles on his huge his forehead and the muscles on his huge his forehead and the muscles on his huge How could I? Oh god, he was looking employing such means How could I? Oh god, he was looking orgasms were not anything like I had his forehead and the muscles on his huge his forehead and the muscles on his huge his forehead and the muscles on his huge looking at me. I couldn't hold myself she had obviously enjoyed the love even slightly. Before we could protest even slightly. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:11:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Gothic News: Guernica Related Baghdad Project Comments: cc: Brian Stefans Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Gothic News: Guernica Related Baghdad Project (Gothic News Service, 03/16) Baghdad=B9s Conceptual Artists Union today announced details for a project on canvas that aims to capture the immediat= e consequences of the forthcoming "Shock & Awe" missile attack on Baghdad. Thirty-six inch wide and twenty-yard long rolls of white canvas donated by Conceptual Artist Unions in San Francisco, New York, London, Paris, Berlin and Moscow were recently delivered to Art Centers through out the Iraqi capitol. In the manner of Sol Lewitt=B9s drawings, artists have taken chalk t= o measure and prepare straight and zigzag diagonal grid patterns across several of Baghdad=B9s central intersections and Boulevard. When City sirens give advance warning of the attack=AD expected by the middle of this week =AD Conceptual Artist Brigade members will roll out pre-cut canvas strands across the streets while using the chalk lines as their guide. The riveted edges of each canvas will be stretched taut and tied to hook and eye bolts pre- screwed into facing curbs. The artists will immediately retreat to safety =AD such as it may be found= . For the two day duration of the 800 missile attack =AD possibly most of it at night =AD the canvas=B9 will receive the full brunt and range of the marks of war. Flying debris =AD whether missile or imploding building parts =AD will variously scar and alter the texture of the canvas, each of which will also absorb the tread marks of military vehicles, tanks and such. No one yet wants to imagine the impact of casualties and remains, such as the marks of blood, the scratch of human hands and the diverse trails and rhythm of footprints. Project sponsors point out that "These canvas=B9 will represent a different approach than the mythological one of Picasso=B9s =8CGuernica=B9. For the Western eye the Conceptual Artist Union=B9s work," they say, " is most influenced by the Fifties "Tire Print" work of Robert Rauschenberg and that of the late Ana Mendieta whose blood marked paintings gave performance art its early urgency. Similarly, but obviously with a greater historical edge, the intention of these Baghdad canvas=B9 - such as those that may survive and are retrieved - will provide an awesome, if not totally terrifying, rendering of the particulars of this war." =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:56:27 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: news/publicity/self-promotion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear List, Here are two items of me-related news: I have two poems "featured" on the Poetry Daily site today (Sunday, the 16th). The url is http://www.poems.com/ and I'm reading at the Getty Museum (along with Alicia Partnoy and Ruth Forman) next Sunday, March 23rd at 3:00. That last is for people in the LA area, of course. Rae Armantrout ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:44:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Guernica: Shock and Awe. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=3D/chronicle/archive/2003/03/= 15/DD43581.DTL&type=3Dbooks ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:07:46 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: website for anti-war signage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Want to alert everyone that Jennifer Heath and Jack Collum are involved in a website out of Boulder, CO www.TAParts.org that will soon be posting photographs of anti-war signage and serve as a historical preservation registry for protest signage. I've contributed a number of images from the SF Feb 16 march and shot many roles of film at yesterday's SF rally and march. Some imaginative verbiage and imagery, even body writing. Will let you know when the webmaestra has posted the photos. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:13:39 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Massey Subject: On the blog - audio interview with David Hess. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ON THE BLOG! an EIGHT PART EXCLUSIVE AUDIO INTERVIEW *~*~*WITH DAVID HESS*~*~* go to http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:52:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: a poets consensus on the war in bush's brain Comments: To: celia@cape.com, writers-l@umn.edu, kball@ualberta.ca, Atchasin@aol.com, ilivingston@notes.cc.sunysb.edu, creativefac@umn.edu, mkane9@aol.com, deeplistening@yahoogroups.com, tinaiskingofmonsterisland@hotmail.com, aik4@psu.edu, talan@memmott.org, francobe@aol.com, mgregan@UCHICAGO.EDU, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-From_: info@tribes.org Fri Mar 14 23:45:17 2003 >From: "Steve Cannon" >To: >Subject: a poets consensus on the war in bush's brain >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:44:38 -0500 >Organization: A Gathering of the Tribes >X-Priority: 3 >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >http://umn.edu/mc/s?BNEkfRQyduEv8pn5DBNXm9AODtGL3DLuIr4kc7TUiFvg >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] gawron.walrus.com #+DM+OF (I,-) >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+TR+NM > >A poets consensus occurs when poets come together and communicate >with each other. We agree in our opposition to the war in Iraq. > >Poets come from an ancient and venerable tradition, yet that voice >has hardly been heard on major decisions that effect the future of >humanity. > >This consensus is a loose coalition of poets that sprang out of >lower Manhattan in the wake of 9/11/2001. Poets from the Nuyorican >Poets Cafe, the Bowery Poetry Club, A Gathering of the Tribes, and >St. Mark's Poetry Project have come together as poets opposed to a >preemptive strike, an invasion of Iraq, which would constitute war. >We are poets for peace. Poetry is news: we stand together and ask >other poets and artists to stand with us for a humanistic and >peaceful present and future of the 21st century. > > -- A POETS CONSENSUS > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >You may know many poets here or elsewhere, who might want to be part >of a larger, loose, international network of poets. If you or they >are interested in participating, could you please ask them to >write to David Henderson >(UmbraArts@aol.com) or to me >(cm2052@columbia.edu). Or could you send >their email-addresses to us? Or could you get in touch with them >yourself? > >We would like to compile a list of poets, their names, email >addresses and bios (optional) as well a telephone numbers (optional) >so that we can all link up and make our opposition public. This >would happen in a 24-48 hour period. > >Furthermore, we intend to have a press conference here in New York >City to spread the news, once again, that there are many poets all >over the world who oppose the war on Iraq. At that point, poets from >different countries could be mentioned or link up with us or have >similar events in their countries. > >Thanks for your help! > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:02:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "D. Ross Priddle" Subject: CUTUPS & WRITING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII VAN 122.5 is now available online at: www3.telus.net/van364/hello.htm including 15 cutups by Ficus strangulensis and some writing by ross priddle thanks! & p.e.a.c.e o.u.t (let's bring the boys (& girls) back home!) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:47:38 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM |P |E |A |C |E Back against the wall JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:42:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: FUCK! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joseph, i wish i could hear that fucking interview! anyway, i'll have to see if i can somehow. maybe go over to Hassen's (she's a friend of Hess's) and we can listen to it together maybe. her computer can get sound i'm pretty sure, yeah, i think. oh, wait, Hassen's in Spain. i'll have to wait. then i'm going to Amsterdam with Matt and Ron Swegman. i like your Blog a lot by the way. PLEASE send August Highland your poems. i know he'll want to publish them, i'm sure of it. going to a candle light vigil tonight here in Philadelphia against the war. what's going on with you? tell me some weird DETAIL of your day Joseph. i'd like to have a DETAIL of you in a March poem. possibly. do you want a sample of the MARCH? here's the opening piece: the only failure is no love wait for me wait for us plenty PLENTY every body's ticket will be torn wine and apples warm our ardent pulse love is for the pretty AND THE REST OF US his naked body quiets bomber engines i am gliding from -----------------------let me know what you think. what you CAN'T of course get from this is the justified lines. you know what i mean? justified lines, as in the left and right margins of the page are literally ONLY half an inch, and the lines are justified, filling the space in one long solid rectangle. anyway, when they are finished i'll send you hard copy. it's easier with hard copy. more later, CAConrad http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/03/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:46:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: found (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:20:45 -0600 From: Maria Damon To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: found Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:35:45 EST From: Stickdragn@aol.com Subject: TCGMC Concert ins March: Simply Sondheim *******CONCERT ANNOUNCEMENT******* **Please feel free to forward to any interested parties** "Simply Sondheim" concerts by the Twin Cities Gay Men's Chorus Friday, March 21 8PM Saturday, March 22 8PM (ASL interpreted) Sundays, March 23 2PM Ted Mann Concert Hall on the University of Minnesota campus, Minneapolis Ted Mann Box office phone number: 612-624-2345 Ticket prices: $30, $24 & $18, children 12 and under 50% off. Join the Twin Cities Gay Men's Chorus in celebrating the work of Alan Sondheim, lyricist and composer. From "Nikuko" and "Gypsy" to "A Little Night Music," "Sweeney Todd" and "Julu" you will experience the talent of Sondheim. If you love Sondheim, you will love this show. And, if you're not familiar with Sondheim's work, you will be after you join the men in the Chorus at "Simply Sondheim." This activity is made possible by a grant provided by the Minnesota State Arts Board through an appropriation by the Minnesota State Legislature and a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts. ******** TOUR INFORMATION: The Twin Cities Gay Men's Chorus is on the road! See us performing "Simply Sondheim" and other music on April 5 and 6 at these locations: Boe Chapel, St. Olaf College April 5, 7:30PM The Sheldon Theater, Red Wing April 6, 3:00PM United Church of Christ, Rochester April 6, 7:30PM Ticket proceeds from these concerts will benefit local PFLAG and GLBT organizations. *********** Concert Program Highlights: kaddish of the words Music by Leonhard Bernstein Lyrics by Alan Sondheim Al-Ghazali, commentary on Internet Text Putting It Together from Sunday In The Park With George I Feel Pretty from Nikuko Not A Day Goes By from Disorders of the Real No One Is Alone from .echo Send In The Clowns from American Book Review Some People/Everything's Coming Up Roses from Dancerun . . . and much more! -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:56:11 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: obtuse vs. oblique Comments: To: bks cuny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I accidentally used the word "obtuse" rather than "oblique" in a post I made recently about the poems on Circulars -- well, I meant "oblique." I was tired. So strange. Sorry. Brian ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:04:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Prejsnar Subject: Atlanta poetry events Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > two upcoming events > > 1. March 2003 Language Harm > > > 9:00 PM, Wed. March 19 > at: eyedrum > 290 Martin Luther King, Jr. Drive > Atlanta GA > > Language Harm is Cinementally Yours, The Glass Box and Moving > Pictures;...... > > poetry as essay as utterance as manifesto as performance stepping thru > the glass wall on the front of your set to show you movies as poesis > as television as polyphon as teleprompter haiku and commercial > interruption into language > > (Language Harm is the monthly performance event of the Atlanta Poets > Group, and usually occurs on the third Wednesday of the month) > > $3.00 > > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > 2. Also ! first announcement of a major event in Atlanta; this > will also feature (among many others) the Atlanta Poets Group, > celebrating issue 19 of JAB (the Journal of Artists' Books), which is > produced and designed by, and features the work of, the APG.... > > (this is also at eyedrum... for address, see above) > > > > > Mon./Tues. April 14-15 - Projet MOBILIVRE BOOKMOBILE > > Projet MOBILIVRE BOOKMOBILE project is a touring exhibition of artist > books, zines, and independent publications. Our mission is to improve > exposure for self-made bookworks, and to encourage artistic production > through bookbinding workshops and informal dialogue. The BOOKMOBILE > travels across the United States and Canada in a vintage Airstream > trailer, visiting a variety of communities. We seek to strengthen > pre-existing networks and inspire new connections between artists, > writers, and those concerned with the survival of independent media. > Eyedrum will host the Bookmobile's 2003 tour Stop in Atlanta on April > 14 > and 15. Bookmobile is free and open to the public between the hours of > 12:00-7:00p.m. The Bookmobile is offering a free zine making workshop > on > Tuesday, April 15 from 1:00-3:00p.m. Do it yourself! Take your ideas, > writing, artwork, and collages and make a self-published magazine (or > zine). Participants may collaborate on a group project, or begin their > own photocopied creation. A historical framework for self-publishing is > discussed throughout the workshop. (max: 15) On Monday, April 14 at > 6:00p.m. there will be an opening for a small pin-up and table top > exhibition: Emerging Atlanta Artists/Works on Paper (Artist Books, > Zines, Printmaking and other works on paper.) Following the reception > at > 7:00p.m. local artist, Ruth Laxson will give an intermedia performance. > $5 for the evening, Eyedrum members free. The Atlanta Poets Group will > hold their regularly scheduled monthly performance on Tuesday, April 15 > at 7:00p.m. as a celebration for JAB19. $5, Eyedrum members free. > Special thanks to The Journal of Artist Books (JAB) for sponsoring > Bookmobile's Tour Stop and to Eyedrum, the host venue. Preceeds from > the > events support Eyedrum and project MOBILIVRE BOOKMOBILE project. Please > check the Eyedrum website: www.eyedrum.org for updates. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:25:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html Edward Helmore New York Sunday March 16, 2003 The Observer An obscure Jewish sect in New York has been gripped in awe by what it believes to be a mystical visitation by a 20lb carp that was heard shouting in Hebrew, in what many Jews worldwide are hailing as a modern miracle. Many of the 7,000-member Skver sect of Hasidim in New Square, 30 miles north of Manhattan, believe God has revealed himself in fish form. According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew. Many believe the carp was channelling the troubled soul of a revered community elder who recently died; others say it was God. The only witnesses to the mystical show were Zalmen Rosen, a 57-year-old Hasid with 11 children, and his co-worker, Luis Nivelo. They say that on 28 January at 4pm they were about to club the carp on the head when it began yelling. Nivelo, a Gentile who does not understand Hebrew, was so shocked at the sight of a fish talking in any language that he fell over. He ran into the front of the store screaming: 'It's the Devil! The Devil is here!' Then the shop owner heard it shouting warnings and commands too. 'It said "Tzaruch shemirah" and "Hasof bah",' he told the New York Times, 'which essentially means that everyone needs to account for themselves because the end is near.' The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and sold. However, word spread far and wide and Nivelo complains he has been plagued by phone calls from as far away as London and Israel. The story has since been amplified by repetition and some now believe the fish's outburst was a warning about the dangers of the impending war in Iraq. Some say they fear the born-again President Bush believes he is preparing the world for the Second Coming of Christ, and war in Iraq is just the opening salvo in the battle of Armageddon. Local resident Abraham Spitz said: 'Two men do not dream the same dream. It is very rare that God reminds people he exists in this modern world. But when he does, you cannot ignore it.' Others in New Square discount the apocalyptic reading altogether and suggest the notion of a talking fish is as fictional as Tony Soprano's talking-fish dream in an episode of The Sopranos . Stand-up comedians have already incorporated the carp into their comedy routines at weddings. One gefilte company has considered changing it's slogan to: 'Our fish speaks for itself.' Still, the shouting carp corresponds with the belief of some Hasidic sects that righteous people can be reincarnated as fish. They say that Nivelo may have been selected because he is not Jewish, but a weary Nivelo told the New York Times : 'I wish I never said anything about it. I'm getting so many calls every day, I've stopped answering. Israel, London, Miami, Brooklyn. They all want to hear about the talking fish.' A devout Christian, he still thinks the carp was the Devil. 'I don't believe any of this Jewish stuff. But I heard that fish talk.' He's grown tired of the whole thing. 'It's just a big headache for me,' he added. 'I pull my phone out of the wall at night. I don't sleep and I've lost weight.' ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:02:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jenny Penberthy Subject: Lorine Niedecker Centenary Celebration Oct 9-11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Call for Papers for the LORINE NIEDECKER CENTENARY CELEBRATION to be held in Milwaukee and Fort Atkinson, October 9-11, 2003. Panel discussions, keynote addresses, readings, performances of Niedecker's plays, and tours to selected sites in Fort Atkinson and on Blackhawk Island. The first two days will be held in Milwaukee and the third in Fort Atkinson. Confirmed speakers so far include: Jane Augustine, Rachel Blau duPlessis, Glenna Breslin, William Corbett, Michael Davidson, Steve Dickison, Ted Enslin, Elaine Equi, Jonathan Greene, Mike Heller, Tom Meyer, Peter Middleton, Michael Ondaatje, Jenny Penberthy, Marjorie Perloff, Lisa Robertson, Eleni Sikelianos, Anne Waldman, Eliot Weinberger, Jonathan Williams, Elizabeth Willis. Papers should be relatively brief, i.e. no more than 15 minutes. Abstracts should be no more than 500 words. Deadline for abstracts: July 15, 2003. Please send abstracts and inquiries to or to Woodland Pattern Books, 720 East Locust St, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53212. Registration fee $75. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Poets / Poetry against Mr. Bush's War Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Creeley's "Help," posted at Counterpunch a couple of days ago, is=20 now (today only?) at MSNBC's home page http://www.msnbc.com/news/743584.asp Or go right to Counterpunch http://www.counterpunch.org/creeley03132003.html ------------------------ Readings by Sara Campbell, Barbara Cole, & David Landry: video excerpts=20 from the Poets Against the War reading held at SUNY-Buffalo on 3-5-03,=20 organized by Jonathan Skinner and Christopher Alexander. The link is to a=20 QuickTime file (takes some time to load): http://eist.buffalo.edu/videos/sullivan/532/poetswarweb.mov ________________ International ANSWER Coalition and Paula Cooper Gallery invite you to attend VERSUS: Poets Against The War Ann Lauterbach Anne Waldman Michael Lally Robert Creeley with a special appearance by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark Tuesday, March 18, 7 PM Paula Cooper Gallery 534 West 21 St. New York, NY -------------------- "Dialogue Through Poetry" reading, Weds. March 19 in New York: http://www.dialoguepoetry.org/reading_2003_world.htm ------------------- Finally, this update from Poets Against the War: From: info@poetsagainstthewar.org Subject: World Poetry Day, March 21 - Poets Against the War Date: 16 Mar 2003 14:37:32 The world stands on the brink of war. It appears increasingly likely =AD though not certain =AD that the Bush administration will trigger an assault against Iraq within the next few days, despite the disapproval of the vast majority of citizens in virtually every country in the world. Such an attack would be an unjust war, in violation of international law, and an immoral refusal to seek peaceful resolution of conflict when such a resolution is possible. UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) has declared March 21 to be World Poetry Day, with an emphasis on poetry with =93topical themes like the culture of peace, non-violence, tolerance, etc.=94 (See=20 http://www.unesco.org/culture/creativity/literature/html_eng/poesie1.shtml ) Poets Against the War calls upon poets everywhere to transform March 21, World Poetry Day, into a day of poetry against the war, to organize readings of poetry against the war in cities, towns, villages, and homes, and to present the 13,000 poems that have been published on the poetsagainstthewar.org web site to governments everywhere. To create a reading for World Poetry Day, go to http://poetsagainstthewar.org/createreading.asp. To create a presentation to a government or organization of 13,000 antiwar poems, plus a list of 12,000 poets and a chapbook of 35 highlighted poems from poetsagainstthewar.org, go to http://poetsagainstthewar.org/downloadpoems.asp. Yours for peace, Poets Against the War **We still need your help. Please donate now!** We have current large debts and some very large future expenses to pay for, and we still need your help to make a powerful statement against the war. Please make the most generous donation you can to Poets Against the War. Visit poetsagainstthewar.org, and click on Donate. Or send checks payable to "Poets Against the War" to: Poets Against the War Box 1614 Port Townsend, WA 98368 For more information about donating to Poets Against the War, contact donate@poetsagainstthewar.org. Peace and thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:49:28 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: referral size MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the imagined sending of noise to a closed Iraqi temperature is a justified listen. as falls are named, here's a cloak, tamping the pestilent tower of naming snare drum in bright time effect. it is guff filled with given. your readership ocean steals in dreams the membrane meaning. yours is as if. the vent dislodges culpable language in the inquest vacation. no speed equals the heart of the matter. a temperature recalls the lifeform arrangement. hey, say the bold experts, this shit is excessive. and they would know. Skip yells at a virtuous point in the song. you, hey, listening: are you turbid? the throne room is to the right, next to the bathroom. and now it is a vogue, a segue to tell your friends. the war is guff. it's just a million or two, of anything, or anything left. the war is a word, finally. it's just planes lifting off, and the turning word. when you see this side of it, the word is finely figured and tomorrow. some branches of government are roseate taping smooth thru night sheen, like they say on tv. it's an energy to justify the laity, who are mooning over the words they've seen today. today is abrupt. your love in me, Beth, straight as the sentence of the coast. a wash of sea over useless losses that were mapped and traded, best oilfield in the galaxy, and we worry some. I'm not good enough for war. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:08:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Slam Poetics Is Back! by Nick Piombino on About Com with Bob Holman and Margery Snyder Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hey, Bill Kennedy http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey George Bowering in the Gold Trunks http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.h Hey, Burnin=B9 Vernon Frazer http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Parrishka http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey, Vancouver Victor Kevin Davies http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Murat http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Komminos http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Gudding in the Red Trunks http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Pierre Joris, the Albany Bard http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey ALL YOU POETICS SLAMMERS Poetics Readers Lurkers Rappers Poets Poeticists =20 Slam Poetics, or, Who Is Bill Kennedy? http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm IS BACK=20 MEET ALL THE POETICS SLAMMERS WITH INSTANT REPLAY WITH TOTALLY AmAzInG LINKS ON ABOUT POETRY WITH BOB HOLMAN AND MARGERY SNYDER WITH THAT CrAzY AnNoUnCeR NICK PIOMBINO Is BACK in the far and close corne http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm =20 BOWERING BATTLES IT OUT WITH THE SLAM POETICS POETS http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm =20 on line NOW with=20 =20 AMAZIN LINKS =20 instant replay time at =20 About Poetry =20 By Bob Holman and Margery Snyder =20 http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:36:08 -0800 Reply-To: caterina@caterina.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Caterina Fake (yahoo)" Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've noticed a proliferation of the "Now appearing on my blog" announcements, begun, it seems, by the redoubtable Ron Silliman. I was always irritated to receive these announcements, as I already read his weblog on a daily basis, and these announcements were the equivalent of spam. Posting notices of blog updates is completely missing the point of weblogs, which are assumed to be frequently updated and thus frequently visited. Those who wish to read your blog are already doing so; those who don't have chosen not to. It seems as if posting an announcement that you have a weblog should suffice. Caterina --- Jim Behrle wrote: >And if you > think I'm part of the > problem, I am easily avoidable in blogland. Visit > anytime, or don't. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 21:34:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" this makes me so happy... At 4:25 PM -0800 3/16/03, Andrew Felsinger wrote: >Word is made flesh as God reveals himself... as a fish > >http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915125,00.html > >Edward Helmore New York >Sunday March 16, 2003 >The Observer > >An obscure Jewish sect in New York has been gripped in awe by what it >believes to be a mystical visitation by a 20lb carp that was heard shouting >in Hebrew, in what many Jews worldwide are hailing as a modern miracle. > >Many of the 7,000-member Skver sect of Hasidim in New Square, 30 miles north >of Manhattan, believe God has revealed himself in fish form. > >According to two fish-cutters at the New Square Fish Market, the carp was >about to be slaughtered and made into gefilte fish for Sabbath dinner when >it suddenly began shouting apocalyptic warnings in Hebrew. > >Many believe the carp was channelling the troubled soul of a revered >community elder who recently died; others say it was God. The only witnesses >to the mystical show were Zalmen Rosen, a 57-year-old Hasid with 11 >children, and his co-worker, Luis Nivelo. They say that on 28 January at 4pm >they were about to club the carp on the head when it began yelling. > >Nivelo, a Gentile who does not understand Hebrew, was so shocked at the >sight of a fish talking in any language that he fell over. He ran into the >front of the store screaming: 'It's the Devil! The Devil is here!' Then the >shop owner heard it shouting warnings and commands too. > >'It said "Tzaruch shemirah" and "Hasof bah",' he told the New York Times, >'which essentially means that everyone needs to account for themselves >because the end is near.' > >The animated carp commanded Rosen to pray and study the Torah. Rosen tried >to kill the fish but injured himself. It was finally butchered by Nivelo and >sold. > >However, word spread far and wide and Nivelo complains he has been plagued >by phone calls from as far away as London and Israel. The story has since >been amplified by repetition and some now believe the fish's outburst was a >warning about the dangers of the impending war in Iraq. > >Some say they fear the born-again President Bush believes he is preparing >the world for the Second Coming of Christ, and war in Iraq is just the >opening salvo in the battle of Armageddon. > >Local resident Abraham Spitz said: 'Two men do not dream the same dream. It >is very rare that God reminds people he exists in this modern world. But >when he does, you cannot ignore it.' > >Others in New Square discount the apocalyptic reading altogether and suggest >the notion of a talking fish is as fictional as Tony Soprano's talking-fish >dream in an episode of The Sopranos . > >Stand-up comedians have already incorporated the carp into their comedy >routines at weddings. One gefilte company has considered changing it's >slogan to: 'Our fish speaks for itself.' > >Still, the shouting carp corresponds with the belief of some Hasidic sects >that righteous people can be reincarnated as fish. They say that Nivelo may >have been selected because he is not Jewish, but a weary Nivelo told the New >York Times : 'I wish I never said anything about it. I'm getting so many >calls every day, I've stopped answering. Israel, London, Miami, Brooklyn. >They all want to hear about the talking fish.' > >A devout Christian, he still thinks the carp was the Devil. 'I don't believe >any of this Jewish stuff. But I heard that fish talk.' > >He's grown tired of the whole thing. 'It's just a big headache for me,' he >added. 'I pull my phone out of the wall at night. I don't sleep and I've >lost weight.' -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:07:56 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: The Washington Post Calls U.S. Armed Forces Nazi's: Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press The Washington Post Calls U.S. Armed Forces Nazi's: Cheney Administration Seeks Resignation of Post Editorial Board By DIOGENES SINOPE The Assassinated Press 3/16/03 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:21:10 -0800 Reply-To: cstroffo@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino Subject: Re: Weblogs Comments: To: caterina@caterina.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I disagree--- I don't have time to keep up with everybody's blogs, and sometimes it's nice to know when the bloggers are writing about specific things that might be of interest... Chris "Caterina Fake (yahoo)" wrote: > I've noticed a proliferation of the "Now appearing on > my blog" announcements, begun, it seems, by the > redoubtable Ron Silliman. I was always irritated to > receive these announcements, as I already read his > weblog on a daily basis, and these announcements were > the equivalent of spam. > > Posting notices of blog updates is completely missing > the point of weblogs, which are assumed to be > frequently updated and thus frequently visited. Those > who wish to read your blog are already doing so; those > who don't have chosen not to. > > It seems as if posting an announcement that you have a > weblog should suffice. > > Caterina > > --- Jim Behrle > wrote: > >And if you > > think I'm part of the > > problem, I am easily avoidable in blogland. Visit > > anytime, or don't. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 23:08:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: k23-29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII k23-29 k23% tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world ksh: tomorrow: not found k24% nations have voiced a commitment for peace and security ksh: nations: not found k25% france is still threatening a veto ksh: france: not found k26% we cannot have a situation where we have an endless discussion ksh: we: not found k27% war is just days away ksh: war: not found k28% innocent parties leave the area ksh: innocent: not found k29% iraq citizens stockpiling food ksh: iraq: not found tomorrow does not exist; nations are falling apart or cathecting boundaries in the face of distributive networking; france no long exists; we is no longer a collectivity or communality; war is not found but created; the innocent no longer exist; if iraq did not exist, it would have been created; iraq has not been found; iraq is just days away; truth is no longer; nations cannot speak; food does not exist; === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:21:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barbara Henning Subject: Turn Off In-Reply-To: <200303170004.18UMNS183Nl3pt0@osgood.mail.atl.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please turn off the list serve. I am going to be out of town. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:54:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Intertextualities 01 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Intertextualities 01 [Words taken from a joke toilet paper roll (Polluted Proverbs ca. 1950?] - Used as both source and intertext Let Everything thy >< not out thy >< tomorrow hand you >< left efforts FAILED today >< hand alright. Never doeth. >< know never off what >< Worry! have AND to >< tried have your >< right It home than >< here. at never Don't >< do on elbows to home. >< >< denied. On >< tried >< will O.K. Ready-Aim-Fire! your >< >< Eye! ends your to is >< what is >< come object. May Everything >< overstay until that >< all. is the >< >< Eclipse ever >< put total >< full feel >< the is >< the moon what >< well and there's >< you >< can Attention! >< do >< there's Dismissed! Arms! you >< >< >< moon A you >< you >< first trying! Shoulder >< >< be >< do If do >< >< in to >< sight >< better Try, try >< there >< A >< the Don't >< a don't >< All Don't >< A >< >< >< a >< >< a >< at >< >< Pat at >< your >< Bulls well seems >< >< you >< knees succeed >< at >< >< can Again. >< >< just stand >< whole, >< >< please. Statues >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< behold. >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< Be >< >< >< >< when >< >< >< Where >< >< >< >< >< will >< >< >< >< >< Keep >< >< >< >< completely park. >< >< way. >< >< >< covers >< courteous >< >< belong just >< >< What >< >< >< >< We >< >< >< >< want >< >< >< >< >< welcome. >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< >< ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:59:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: VeRtT continues its drive to disarm the world with it empire and oil issue... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Go and see new work at=20 VeRT [http://www.litvert.com] featuring:=20 from Jordan: Amjad Nasser with a poem to New York & from Palestine: Tahseen al Khateeb Chus Pato translated by Erin Moure And poetry relating to the war for empire by: K. Silem Mohammad, Kristin Palm, Kent Johnson, Leonard Schwartz,=A0Dale Smith= , John Stickney, Stephen Vincent, Andrew Goldfarb, Jim Behrle, kari edwards, Gary Sullivan, Mark DuCharme, mark s kuhar, CAConrad, Kevin Gallagher, W.B. Keckler, Robert Loye, Jane Sprague, John Bradley, Clayton A. Couch, David Hadbawnik, Lauren Gudath, Ricky Venel Stone, Chus Pato, Spencer Selby, Taylor Brady, Jennifer Dannenberg, Catherine Daly... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:51:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: we can be non-violent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit war is stupid war is stupid people die people die we can be non-violent we can be non-violent if we try if we try LET'S HAVE A WAR! causes inaccuracy LET'S HAVE A WAR! objectives encompasses inattentiveness nations actions nuclear trained LET'S HAVE A WAR! causes inaccuracy LET'S HAVE A WAR! technologies encompasses inattentiveness nations actions missiles timely trained LET'S HAVE A WAR! causes inaccuracy nuclear technologies encompasses missiles timely trained tweaks doctrinelink consistent nuclear technologies missiles timely trained politician iraq suggests elements tweaks doctrinelink consistent nuclear technologies functional missiles timely federal politician iraq suggests elements tweaks doctrinelink consistent nuclear functional signed federal politician iraq suggests elements tweaks doctrinelink consistent dissemination hussein functional signed federal politician iraq suggests elements nato dissemination hussein functional approved signed federal increasingly permissive sophisticated LET'S HAVE A WAR! 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:01:56 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: On Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kenneth Irby's dream of Dorn & death The new No: ellipticism, Michael Davidson & the influence of the NY School Lorine Niedecker's Thomas Jefferson & JFK Does difficulty exist or do we impose it? (Reading Finnegans Wake to kindergartners) Letters from Matthew Zapruder, Noah Eli Gordon & the skeptical John Erhardt Identity, difference, democracy & JavaScript: Jessica Lowenthal & Michael Waltuch on Robert Grenier's Sentences: The box vs. the website Jenn McCreary's a doctrine of signatures Reading Ketjak to fifth-graders Proprietary discourses that overwhelm poetry: Lessons of the Weather Underground, Scientology & the poetics of mysticism & rock 'n' roll Matthew Zapruder on the politics of poetry & self-promotion Corrections from South Africa How far outside should outsider poets be? Experiences from the Tenderloin Writers Workshop Noah Eli Gordon on poetry & the anti-war movement. Rob Stanton asks about collaboration & the person Olson's Maximus vs. Russell Crowe's http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:21:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: over over there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit winter's spring's here peace's war's here night/day send the send the word over there drn drn ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:31:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: there Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit general's war poet's peace anti pro general hate po love odi amo general po went to war riding on a pony stuck a F18 in his sonnet all language is blarney drn\drn. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:08:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Information about the N. Korean "nuclear threat" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It is difficult to find reporting that counters the lies and distortions that the mainstream media purveys about nuclear reactors in North Korea and the U.S. government's deceitful and despicable policy in the region. Here are some more or less satisfactory options: 1. "Targeting North Korea," an article by Gregory Ilich at the following URL . Ilich, whose other writing in general seems to focus on exposing stategies of U.S. imperialism, tries to set the record straight within the context of the history of North Korea's fight to survive since the late 1940s. I think he does an excellent job of explaining how the U.S. has cornered North Korea by cutting off its energy supplies and hindering international food aid, cruelly manipulating the famine and poverty that the country has suffered after an unusual series of natural disasters (alternating floods and drought) and the collapse of the Soviet Union's heavily subsidized supply lines. (The U.S. then blames the N. Korean government for starving its own people and imperiling it w the development of nuclear weapons--which many experts still believe N. Korea is incapable of producing.) The article's footnotes provide rich documentation and leads for further reading, altho it's frustrating that page numbers aren't included in the citations. An important point it makes is that the energy and food situations are heavily linked in a mountainous country like North Korea, since fuel is required at factories that make the huge amounts of chemical fertilizer the country needs and to run irrigation pumps, tractors, transportation of harvests, etc. Dubya et al have been the main reason behind the cutting off of oil shipments from not only the U.S. but S. Korea and Japan, as well as the halt in the construction of imported light-water nuclear reactors (which do not so easily produce material usable for weapons). It is for these two sources of fuel, among other promises since broken by the U.S., that N. Korea agreed to shut down its graphite reactors in 1994. The recently ballyhooed start up of an old reactor was done to increase its own energy production (construction of others is also planned) and to play the only diplomatic card (the nuclear threat) it has left after the U.S. repeatedly refused to honor the 1994 Agreed Framework and showed no interest in constructive negotiations after Clinton left office. 2. Mark Caprio (Rikkyo University, Tokyo) is one of the few scholars to consistently point out that the United States has committed alarming violations of the 1994 Agreed Framework, which was put together under Clinton to resolve the last confrontation (note, however, that it was actually Jimmy Carter on a maverick personal diplomatic mission to meet with the now-deceased Kim Ilsung that forced Clinton to deal w the situation more reasonably). A rough transcript of a talk given by Caprio on Feb. 14 here at UCLA is viewable at . The U.S. has been trying to starve North Korea in much the same way as it has tried to destroy Iraq's infrastructure and basic necessities. It has warned South Korea that there will be dire consequences for the U.S.-S. Korean "alliance" if it is too sympathetic or cooperative with its own people north of the DMZ. It has helped stymy Japanese and N. Korean efforts to reconcile with each other after decades of mutual fear and hatred after the period of Japanese colonial rule (1910-45). I submit this to the Poetics list because I notice that our anti-war/anti-imperialism discussions and reports have been almost completely focused on the Iraq situation. Northeast Asia is as much as a lynchpin of the planned American empire as the Middle East is. / Walter K. Lew ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:17:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Typo in previous e-mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Gregory Elich (not "Ilich") is the author of the first article I cited in my previous e-mail ('Information about the N. Korean "nuclear threat"'). I would be glad to send my pasted-in and reformatted copy of the article to anyone who backchannels a request to me; it is 33 pages long and so I did not send it directly to the listserve. / Walter K. Lew ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:37:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by Israeli Bulldozer Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by Israeli Bulldozer Bright Blessings Otter Coyote Moon Starhawk Nablus, Palestine March 16, 2003 Today a young woman was killed in Gaza. Young women, but more often young men, get killed in Gaza and the West Bank every day, and the world pays no attention. What was different today is that Rachel Corrie was an American, an activist with the International Solidarity Movement, the group that I'm here with in occupied Palestine. And her death is a particularly horrifying example of the cold-blooded dehumanization that characterizes this occupation. Rachel was trying to stop the demolition of a Palestinian home. According to the other activists who were with her, she was in dialogue with the operator of the bulldozer. She was working in the spirit of nonviolence that is a guiding principle of the ISM, which pro vides support for Palestinian civilians and for nonviolent efforts to bring about justice for Palestine. Rachel climbed up on the bulldozer to talk to the soldier in the cockpit. She climbed down. She sat in front of the bulldozer. The soldier in control of the huge machine drove it deliberately over her. He then backed up, and ran over her again. Rachel was twenty-three years old. I am trying to fathom the mind that could pull the levers and gun the motor to crush the life out of her young body. That choice, that deliberate act of murder that ended her sweet life, seems incomprehensible. But here in occupied Palestine, that murder is a logical outgrowth of the system of total dehumanization that controls every aspect of life, that cannot see the human being in the Palestinian, that claims to be fighting terror by institutionalizing it. Please register your outrage -- at Rachel's murder, at the home demolitions that she was trying to stop, at the illegal occupation that can only be defended by brutalizing a whole people. Call the Israeli Ministry of Defense 972-3-69-55476 (011-972-3-69-55476 from the US) and 972-3-69-75220 (011-972-3-69-75-220 from the US) Fax the Israeli Foreign Office 972-2-53-03506 (011-972-2-53-03506 from the US) General Director: Phone 972-2-530-7704 (011-972-2-530-7704 from the US) Call, or demonstrate, or shut down your local Israeli Embassy or your local Consulate office. If you are from the US, call or write your Senators and Congressional Representative. --Starhawk www.starhawk.org http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:55:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Gleeful as Time for Mass Murder Drawing Near Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Bush Gleeful as Time for Mass Murder Drawing Near By RUUD FORIGNICATOR The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:06:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Re: Weblogs In-Reply-To: <20030317023608.4032.qmail@web14509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message from Caterina Fake----- > Posting notices of blog updates is completely missing > the point of weblogs, which are assumed to be > frequently updated and thus frequently visited. Those > who wish to read your blog are already doing so; those > who don't have chosen not to. I did the announcements twice and then also decided they were superfluous. I think, however, they are indicative of a group of bloggers which are coming at blogging from listservs. I read most of the blogs posted to the list everyday anyway (that is the point of a blogroll; they are the sites you visit regularly). I think that these announcements are sent (I know mine were) to try to drum up more readers. When I started my blog a year ago, I was really anxious for an audience. I've lost that passion; I have a small group of regular readers, and to me that is what blogging is about (not getting large numbers of visitors), and why I think it fosters a more rhizomatic community than do listservs... Of course, blogs can grow slowly into large readerships, but it generally is a slow, slow process (unless you are an established writer). Most blogs with high readerships have been around since 1997. In other words, if you are blogging because you want to share your thoughts with thousands, you better be patient. If you're blogging to get yr ideas out and like being surprised occasionally by the fact that someone actually reads your words, then you'll be content with this type of CMS (pun intended, if you catch it). I respect all the excellent writers from the poetics list that have started blogs. I read most everyone's everyday. However, by interlinking between one another almost exclusively (and this, like all blanket statements, is obviously wrong for some) and posting announcements to a broader list including a subset of regular readers, a sort of anti-blog community is created. I much prefer to happen upon an excellent blog like Nada's or Bill Marsh's by simply seeing that another blog I read likes to read them and so on. Rules are still forming for this young form, but one rules seems hard and fast: this sort of linking is how communities are built in blogland. Of course, I welcome others' thoughts on this issue... brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 08:21:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by Israeli Bulldozer In-Reply-To: <20030317133711.94797.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The activist, Rachel Corrie, was a student at my undergraduate alma mater, The Evergreen State College in Olympia Washington. There is a horrifying photo story about the murder here http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml The photographs clearly show that the Israeli Defense Forces spokesperson is lying. I wrote the Israeli Defense Forces last night. They have a website. It's pretty harrowing. Their email is info@mail.idf.il I'm proud she was affiliated with Evergreen. It is heartening to know there are such brave people in the world. Peace rest her soul and her family. Peace rest the Israeli soldier who murdered her. At 05:37 AM 3/17/2003 -0800, lewis lacook wrote: >International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by Israeli Bulldozer > >Bright Blessings >Otter Coyote Moon >Starhawk >Nablus, Palestine > >March 16, 2003 > > > > > >Today a young woman was killed in Gaza. Young women, but more often young >men, get killed in Gaza and the West Bank every day, and the world pays no >attention. What was different today is that Rachel Corrie was an American, >an activist with the International Solidarity Movement, the group that I'm >here with in occupied Palestine. And her death is a particularly >horrifying example of the cold-blooded dehumanization that characterizes >this occupation. > > > >Rachel was trying to stop the demolition of a Palestinian home. According >to the other activists who were with her, she was in dialogue with the >operator of the bulldozer. She was working in the spirit of nonviolence >that is a guiding principle of the ISM, which pro vides support for >Palestinian civilians and for nonviolent efforts to bring about justice >for Palestine. Rachel climbed up on the bulldozer to talk to the soldier >in the cockpit. She climbed down. She sat in front of the bulldozer. The >soldier in control of the huge machine drove it deliberately over her. He >then backed up, and ran over her again. Rachel was twenty-three years old. > > > >I am trying to fathom the mind that could pull the levers and gun the >motor to crush the life out of her young body. That choice, that >deliberate act of murder that ended her sweet life, seems >incomprehensible. But here in occupied Palestine, that murder is a logical >outgrowth of the system of total dehumanization that controls every aspect >of life, that cannot see the human being in the Palestinian, that claims >to be fighting terror by institutionalizing it. Please register your >outrage -- at Rachel's murder, at the home demolitions that she was trying >to stop, at the illegal occupation that can only be defended by >brutalizing a whole people. > > > >Call the Israeli Ministry of Defense > >972-3-69-55476 > >(011-972-3-69-55476 from the US) > >and > >972-3-69-75220 > >(011-972-3-69-75-220 from the US) > > > >Fax the Israeli Foreign Office > >972-2-53-03506 > >(011-972-2-53-03506 from the US) > >General Director: Phone > >972-2-530-7704 > >(011-972-2-530-7704 from the US) > > > >Call, or demonstrate, or shut down your local Israeli Embassy or your >local Consulate office. > > > >If you are from the US, call or write your Senators and Congressional >Representative. > > > > > >--Starhawk > >www.starhawk.org > > > > >http://www.lewislacook.com/ >NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa >ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: >http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ >http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 home 309.828.8377 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:00:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fox Willard Subject: Re: On Silliman's Blog . . . And sometimes, the table of contents Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net In-Reply-To: <002601c2ec74$a4e15ef0$44f5f343@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 is a poem. skip fox On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 06:01:56 -0500, Ron wrote > Kenneth Irby's dream of Dorn & death > > The new No: > ellipticism, Michael Davidson > & the influence of the NY School >.. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:13:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: LMJ Subject: nyc sublet available immediately! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear All, I have an unexpected emergency sublet situation-- my 1 bedroom apartment with 2 cats is now available in Brooklyn, NY Williamsburg neighborhood, metropolitan avenue, bedford subway stop on the L train, 10 minutes from the city. available now (march 17th) thru the end of the year. april 1st move in date is fine, or move in today. rent is $750 plus utilities (approx. $70 per month). good sunlight, lots of poetry books, an espresso machine, cable t.v.. good for cat lovers (I have 2 friendly, independent cats). please pass this along. I can be reached at 917-620-2917. thanks, Lisa Jarnot ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:42:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: FUCK! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oh yeah, to you who are writing me directly asking if this was private. oh well, i thought i was sending it to Joseph Massey directly, but sent it to everyone instead. whoops, kind of funny. CAConrad http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:06:05 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Massey Subject: On the blog - more audio interviews MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Audio interviews with blog superstars: ~*~*~Sandra Simonds~*~*~ & ~*~*Andrew Mister~*~*~ Right here: http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 09:12:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: War Start In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030317080635.01544778@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This President - against incredible international and domestic opposition - has gone beyond belief. I am afraid he has just started a war greater than he will have ever imagined. The rise to rebellion is becoming tangible. But today, I feel - as I am sure many - an enormous sadness. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:22:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: hmmmm.... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.poetsforthewar.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:57:58 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Re: hmmmm.... In-Reply-To: <17EECD72-589D-11D7-82B4-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT from said website: Liberals Stink All those smelly liberals Dancing in the park For Saddam, Satan And Karl Marx They hate their country They hate their God If you offer them steak Then they ask for cod They'll never be happy Til we all speak Iraqi And all our kids Smoke wacky baccy I wish they'd all Go and live in Cuba Liberals stink more Than a man I know who plays the tuba Very badly © copyright 2003 David Floyd . All rights reserved. Used by permission. On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, mIEKAL aND wrote: > http://www.poetsforthewar.org/ > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Hehir Scop Productions (709)728-5518 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:30:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Jane Sprague" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: WEST END READING SERIES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable West End Reading Series @ Gimme Coffee Ithaca, New York This Saturday, 3/22/03, at 7pm, poets Marcella Durand, Rachel Levitsky = and Mary Leonard will read from their work. Marcella Durand's publications include *Western Capital Rhapsodies* = (Faux Press), *City of Ports* (Situations) and a brand-new echapbook, *The = Body, Light, and Solar Poems*, to be found at www.durationpress.com. She is currently co-editing an anthology of contemporary French poetry, forthcoming from Talisman House. Rachel Levitsky lives in Brooklyn teaches English to immigrant members = of DC9, the NYC painters' union. She is the author of four chapbooks of = poetry, *Dearly* (a+bend, 1999), *Cartographies of Error* (Leroy, 1999), = *The Adventures of Yaya and Grace* (PotesPoets, 1999) and = *2(1x1)Portraits* (Baksun, 1998). Since August 1999 she has curated = Belladonna*, a matrix (readings, publications, salons) of innovative = feminist poetics. Her first full length volume, *Under the Sun* was = published by Futurepoem books in 2003. Mary Leonard's chapbook of poetry is available in the online journal = 2River at www.2River.org As a teacher and consultant, she works for the = Institute for Writing and Thinking at Bard College and at SUNY New = Paltz. Presently, she is working on another chapbook and a novel, = *Italian Ice*. Her poems have been published in Hubbub, Satori, Home = Planet News, Woodstock Originals II, III, IV, The Chronogram, = nycbigcitylit, Kota Press, Miller's Pond, and Sometimes City. She lives = in Kingston, NY. West End Reading Series @ Gimme! Coffee 506 West State Street, Ithaca NY COMING SOON: 4/19/03 Kazim Ali, Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan 5/24/03 Lisa Jarnot and friends free and open to all slyfox productions, Ithaca, NY www.slyfox.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:23 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: hmmmm.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline This afternoon, I've been humming "where have all the flowers gone". At 17/03/03 17:22:56, mIEKAL aND wrote: # http://www.poetsforthewar.org/ Roger ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:47:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Listening Posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I share Steve Vincent's sentiments about the sadness -- and madness -- of the day. Maria Damon, in a recent post, reminded me of the role the Poetics List has played in times of crisis like the present -- but also times of relative calm. Joel Kuszai's selection from the earlier days of the list is still available in print form Roof, but we have also put it up as two HTML files at http://epc.buffalo.edu/presses/roof/ Over the years, the Poetics List has provided an important forum for information and exchange, including announcements about other sites of information and exchange, from web logs to web mags. One source among many, to be sure; but I, for one, have relied upon the information I get here. I want to thank Christopher Alexander for his years of volunteer work as list moderator and also to thank Lori Emerson for agreeing to take over the job. I very much appreciate their generosity in handling not only editorial issues, but also technical problems and subscriptions requests. It's sometimes harder to listen than to speak, or anyway so I have found. At times like these, I value the listening posts available to me all the more. Charles Bernstein ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:07:37 -0700 Reply-To: jvcervantes@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: "Writer's Blogs" @ poetserv.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've started the new category at this page of links: http://www.poetserv.com/links.html You'll have to scroll all the way to the bottom for them. There are only two links in that new category so I'd love to hear of others of equal quality. - Jim 6th Annual Northern Arizona Book Festival, April 11 - 13 http://www.flagstaffcentral.com/bookfest/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ James Cervantes: http://www.poetserv.net/jvchome/index.html Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org RelativeLinks: http://www.poetserv.com/relativelinks/home.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:10:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Slam Poetics Is Back! by Nick Piombino on About Com with Bob Holman and Margery Snyder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Nick, You are without doubt the Don Dunphy of Poetry Slam Commentators, and I thank you for mentioning my participatiion in the BPL Slam to end and/or continue all Poetry Slams. Aside from misspelling my surname so that it links me more closely to my illustrious Philadelphia brethren, I have only one other problem with your piece: all you report about me in the article is my clinching. Not a word about the left hook that runs through my family's history, or my sharp and accurate left jab, and my explosive right hand. I suggest you correct this before Smokin' Joe reads it and makes editorial assertions of his own. Thanks, Burnin' Vernon Frazer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Piombino" To: Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Slam Poetics Is Back! by Nick Piombino on About Com with Bob Holman and Margery Snyder Hey, Bill Kennedy http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey George Bowering in the Gold Trunks http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.h Hey, Burnin¹ Vernon Frazer http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Parrishka http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey, Vancouver Victor Kevin Davies http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Murat http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Komminos http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Gudding in the Red Trunks http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey Pierre Joris, the Albany Bard http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm Hey ALL YOU POETICS SLAMMERS Poetics Readers Lurkers Rappers Poets Poeticists Slam Poetics, or, Who Is Bill Kennedy? http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm IS BACK MEET ALL THE POETICS SLAMMERS WITH INSTANT REPLAY WITH TOTALLY AmAzInG LINKS ON ABOUT POETRY WITH BOB HOLMAN AND MARGERY SNYDER WITH THAT CrAzY AnNoUnCeR NICK PIOMBINO Is BACK in the far and close corne http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm BOWERING BATTLES IT OUT WITH THE SLAM POETICS POETS http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm on line NOW with AMAZIN LINKS instant replay time at About Poetry By Bob Holman and Margery Snyder http://poetry.about.com/library/weekly/aa031103a.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:43:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: Poetry FYI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > UNESCO World Poetry Day > http://www.unesco.org/culture/creativity/literature/html_eng/poesie1.shtml > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:48:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Meditations - 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Meditations in a Time of Delusions and Lies - 8 [I write these "meditations" from time to time in an attempt to stay sane. If you find them tedious, apply the magic of "delete." If you want to share them with others, feel free to do so.] March 17, 2003 Where were you at the time of pre-emptive Death? Where were you when the first bombs fell? Where were you when the blood began to splatter for decades to come, when the DNA of children smeared across the glossy lipstick of Fox News? Where were you when the alliance of Apocalypse Zion Empire seized the Republic in the name of God's Mutual Fund? Where were you when you received the tattoo of your account number from God's Mutual Fund? Where were you when irrational exuberance gave way to snuff porno? Where were you when Americans began learning to apologize in ways that Germans have taken a half century to perfect? Hilton Obenzinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:10:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: from OPPEN'S Pipe-Stem Daybook 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --something for every American, especially now-- "But one cannot lead a life preparing for life, practicing for life, as for a football game. The 'game' must finally have a purpose other than to succeed in it--" --George Oppen, 1966 http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:18:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: another witness Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yesterday I discovered a colony of tiny white insects in the bottom of a=20 carton of books in my living room. A part of the bottom of the carton had=20 been eaten out, so that when I lifted it hundreds of them remained on the=20 floor. The few books that had been in the carton were intact, but=20 hopelessly soiled by what I took to be the colony=92s accumulated= shit=96clumps=20 of brown granules, dry to the touch, but sticky enough so that they=20 couldn=92t be shaken off. I threw the carton, and the books, out the kitchen= =20 door onto the deck, expecting that the cold and rain would finish the job,= =20 or at any rate that I could attend to it when the rain stopped, and=20 returned to the living room. On the floor was a mass of them, most still=20 clumped tightly together, over and above each other, in frantic motion. I=20 did what I had to. That evening, between rain squalls, with a few hundred others I held a=20 candle on a windy beach in vigil against the war that is already upon us,=20 although the planes and missles have yet to leave the ground. They strain=20 at the leash, and their masters are eager for death. This morning, the two-day rain at last over, I disposed of the carton.=20 Where it had been were thousands of insects, a writhing mass of panic. I=20 found an old container of insect spray and bombed them. These were social=20 insects, and that instinct had doomed them. Nonetheless, a few had begun to= =20 scatter from the core, some apparently unable to maintain direction, an=20 effect of the poison, but others simply running for their lives. I squashed= =20 them with my fingers. The central colony was filled with the dead and dying, but a mass of the=20 living survived in the canyons between the redwood planks. So I bombed them= =20 again. This time there were no survivors All my life I have loved books, viscerally, and my house is filled with=20 them. When I was a child I was taught that if a sacred text=96a Hebrew= prayer=20 book or scripture=96fell to the floor I was to kiss it when I picked it up,= =20 as if it were a living thing. An ancient practice that the teachers=20 extended to anything written in the sacred language. This was a very few=20 years after the Nazi slaughter, and the shards of Judaism were infinitely=20 precious. I learned to read from those books, and to love poetry. In them was the=20 story of my people. Miriam played the timbrels on the shore as the=20 Egyptians perished, and the stars in their courses fought against Sisera.=20 Over time all books became sacred. Just now I inspected one of the corpses under a magnifying glass. A kind of= =20 termite, apparently, slender and elegant and something shy of an eighth of= =20 an inch long. They had done what they do, whatever cognition a dim thing at= =20 best, and free of malice, but I had seen their desperation in the face of=20 death, and I found it hard not to ascribe consciousness to them. I was=20 filled with bitterness as I squashed them. What I had to do. When I was a child I imagined myself a man on horseback, leading my people= =20 against the hordes of ants. There were always more of them=96the threat was= =20 unrelenting=96but I was always victorious. Thousands of them must have=20 perished beneath my omnipotent thumb, or been consumed by fire, or when=20 occasion permitted dismembered by the blasts of firecrackers planted in the= =20 mouths of their colonies. That was my daytime fantasy. At night I was also= =20 on horseback, killing Germans no less relentlessly. Vermin were vermin, and= =20 the more they suffered the better. But even then, as moments ago when I sat cross-legged on the deck watching= =20 the progress of this new extermination, mixed with my bitterness was the=20 sense that these were somehow beings with memories and passions, and I=20 thought I would burst from the pain of it. Tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after, the planes and missiles will=20 be unleashed. Some will imagine the targeted masses as vermin. Others will= =20 do what they think they have to. Last night on the beach the crowd whispered the old songs: =93This land is= =20 your land,=94 =93Give peace a chance,=94 and my friend Jerry said that the= songs=20 can be infinitely recycled, but nothing else ever changes. Memory is a=20 terrible thing. A lifetime of anguish, and the sure sense that this will=20 never end, not in my time, not in the time of those I love. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: death wish 5 - click - theres no place like home In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030317121715.02002398@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable death wish 5 - click - theres no place like home death wish 5 - you=92ve come a pear a pair a long way baby - do you=20 yahoo? - adventures in an unremembered soul of self time - adventures=20 in an unremembered soul by the pound, by the beginning, by god- created=20= as a beginning god who created the u.s.a. in an unremembered soul of=20 ragtime - not what what what what what - but good things come to those=20= who want - nor disease - dot dot dot dot, a long way baby - adventures=20= in your chevrolet - you=92ve come to life - you are a life for=20 collaborators insurance - adventures in capitalism - there's no place=20 like kfc, like a digital document company - or instinct karma=20 statements in your chevrolet - see the audible act.com - mutual=20 distractibility in the head - see the digital document company - or=20 instinct drama statements as presumptive figures - click - do you=20 yahoo? - there's no one does chicken like home invasion by or complied=20= compilations with - there's no one does chicken like mutual=20 distractibility - no one does chicken like home without the the magic -=20= you=92ve come to dot-to-dot - good things come to be heard as some of = the=20 beginning gods created the pound, by the heavens and earth, by death=20 wish 5 - it=92s above the the digital document company - human material=20= takes not what what what what but a red bulb above the the head - life=20= - lamborghini gallardo - just do you say - human material quick take=20 gritty and live the pound, by massive advertised suffering -=20 lamborghini gallardo - it=92s the u.s.a. in the heavens and future=20 irresponsible "get real=94 options where complied by basket, by fascism=20= and food technologies - it=92s the heavens and sever - do it - do=20 dot-to-dot - come fill in your chevrolet - we bring good things to all=20= other choices - adventures in the beginning god like kfc - just do it -=20= we bring good - it=92s the self time - click - ask not desire nor=20 collaborators insurances, but what baby - click - not what what what=20 what - it=92s the audible act - there's no place like kfc - good things=20= to dot-to-dot - lamborghini gallardo - we bring good things - click-=20 come the heavens and not what - oh that point has already been had,=20 you say - see the audible act - mutual distractibility - see the the=20 heavens and sever - it wants those who wait - you=92ve come a=20 reiteration, a burst iron appendage - life tastes good - we bring good=20= - or complied basket, by - click - you=92ve come to dot-to-dot - just do=20= you say - do it - life tastes good - oh that points been had, you yahoo=20= - a room by fascism - click - values dot dot dot, to those who wait=20 want desire - you=92ve come to be heard as a long way locked in=20 capitalism - we bring good adventures in the heavens and live the=20 audible act - come and future irresponsible "get real=94 options where=20= it=92s magic in your chevrolet - click - just do it - click - a shadow = of=20 self time - in the u.s.a. - in an unremembered soul of ragtime - the=20 u.s.a. is a red bulb - a burst iron appendage - don't leave home=20 without it - a long way baby - see the above - lamborghini gallardo -=20 adventures in your - adventures in your - not what but what - causes=20 possible death wish 5 - human material quick take gritty and sever - or=20= complied compilations with no one does chicken like - click=20= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:44:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Bush, Blair & Aznar Sculptures Planned for the Edge of Salt Lake In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030317121715.02002398@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Bush, Blair & Aznar Sculptures Planned for the Edge of Salt Lake (Gothic News Service, 03/17/03) The "National Purge & Shape" Sculpture Competition has just awarded Salty Dog Productions this year=B9s Prize for a proposal to create salt encrusted figures of President George Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar that will be placed together on the edge of the Great Salt Lake. In today=B9s Pres= s Release, it is announced that "The sculptures =AD absolutely realistic in height and shape =AD will be composed of crystals filtered and hardened from = a special processing plant that sits on a barge in the middle of the lake. Th= e Lake=B9s crystals =AD especially under full sunlight =AD are noted for the way they absorb, refract and distill translucent light in a manner described by many as =8Cpurifying.=B9 Salty Dog Productions =AD in a joint statement with the National Purge & Shap= e Foundation =AD declared that the sculptures will be sited on a flat steel bas= e on a beach within easy driving distance from Salt Lake City. Asked why the sculpture was not located closer to the Spiral Jetty - the Lake=B9s world renown sculpture by the late Robert Smithson =AD Salty Dog representatives indicated that they did not want to sew any visual or critical confusion with the other work. "Our platform of the figures of Bush, Blair and Aznar will only resemble the Jetty experience in the way the seasonal level of th= e Lake=B9s water will also rise up to cover the work. Occasionally the public will not be able to see the figures at all. As the work's principle figures re-emerge, additional salt will have further encrusted their shapes and re-introduce them into another cycle of purification. It will be a process that the American and International public can take years to witness and appreciate."=20 According to the Press Release, site Drawings and Location will be released as soon Utah State authorities hold hearings to approve the plans and location. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:01:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: William Wormswork Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed under the nine heart and housed William Wormswork was in and to my absence (their figure flag, understand) _______________________________________________ guard days: coachman moved her flesh O him: seized of debts _______________________________________________ distressingly the garden obeyed, King Gossip found bodies today in Wellset Kitchen _______________________________________________ did not this spitting have a strange voice? _______________________________________________ flow man, hostile sister leaped all of his know _______________________________________________ silent and cygnet lanterns dark wetting the dog at roses the poem we: the forbidden suffer my tumor of birds _______________________________________________ deathsman bankside looking bridle of tingling thou spoke the ballad through light the point to prince _______________________________________________ how sledded am I to hesitate his sirrah! _______________________________________________ boldfaced drawing-room came, shadow, by flood he walked back to peck death her sash foes chosen, younger grown all _______________________________________________ this head bodies some lie we of bedchamber are as to you of curled parlor who housed the Nine and swung her prying papers? _______________________________________________ unbreeched sprouts shoot pig ash - this is the image of this Dining Age _______________________________________________ a 1000 houses barred their doors against them - poets! when will you find your Baucis & Philemon? _______________________________________________ plenty of colors to go around, but Blue has a lot on her plate _______________________________________________ greasy out gentle the drink, the loving, to one so pacing _______________________________________________ yessiree, the feather we piss around and whip alongside cannot sight the sea _______________________________________________ we are reminded skulls, Wormswork, are roots, are typewriters beginning we crawl red it burnt you, responsibility of times, long it's alive crying Wormswork, who minds you this time? _______________________________________________ the syrup bolt is cut _______________________________________________ firearm discharged brackets a corpse's foot is useless - could your walk flatten even dough? _______________________________________________ the puffs sexpot a hoof dear is the mouth we sing downward _______________________________________________ wash saliva during milk therapy out to daisy her long windows _______________________________________________ caryatid beef of eroded girls residential sweetness of that living graveyard come the sweat, asphalt more nowhere END THE POEM against that bright middle bramble I spy a retired dove _______________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:47:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: this is the correction to the other In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this is the correction to the other the I don=92t see can tell people down play the=20= impetus putting aside death words not to be spoken at=20= the same time gone those crazy days of the sucking sun =20= now on the corner of your local holder and=20= mug set for $19.95 today conceives an=20 immaculate complexion I buy a vowel =20= get a constant the Potemkin=20 completes standards over the otherwise tyranny (s) guise a found=20= court order (s) a wait a minute =20= then turn the members over and make its own Bon=20 App=E9tit of course cursed crisis's barely=20= mangle the time slot for the one-seen=20 play by all or nothing a soliloquist? =20= a sociologist? hardly a thing a slot eraser after the original has always=20 been reset let us study by crime and punishment all hands=20= on the interior buckle you inclinations and lets ponder =20= hells bells and for score someone=20= elses no matter how bent could loose another in=20= post revolutionary history for from the ground still=20 hoping? well I continued =20 = the others lied jewels we laughed we all laughed together= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:00:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Christopher W. Alexander" Subject: Poetry Reading / Buffalo NY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Matthias Regan Friday, 21 March 8:00 pm Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. Buffalo NY Matthias Regan's work has appeared in a variety of journals, from verdure to The Partisan Review - most recently in Fence - and he has a chapbook, The Most of It, which was published by nominative press collective in 1999. He is a graduate student in the English Department at the University of Chicago, where he is writing his dissertation on the Populist poetry of Lindsay, Sandburg, Brooks, Olson, and Dorn. He is also nonfiction editor of The Chicago Review.=A0 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:09:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Listening Posts In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030316200446.0305b320@pop.bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I want to second this - in all ways. I especially want to thank the moderators for their tolerance of my work, and the stability of the list. It's gratifying to know there is a community here; even the announcements of books and readings point to that. And this is a relatively old online list, one that has gone through a number of transformations, but still remains viable and exciting. Finally, I like a great deal of the recent poetry/poetics work published on Poetics. For me, the Inbox is more exciting than a blog; it's less controllable, less isolated. I love the imminence... Alan On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Charles Bernstein wrote: > I share Steve Vincent's sentiments about the sadness -- and madness -- of > the day. > > Maria Damon, in a recent post, reminded me of the role the Poetics List has > played in times of crisis like the present -- but also times of relative > calm. Joel Kuszai's selection from the earlier days of the list is still > available in print form Roof, but we have also put it up as two HTML files at > http://epc.buffalo.edu/presses/roof/ > > Over the years, the Poetics List has provided an important forum for > information and exchange, including announcements about other sites of > information and exchange, from web logs to web mags. One source among many, > to be sure; but I, for one, have relied upon the information I get here. > > I want to thank Christopher Alexander for his years of volunteer work as > list moderator and also to thank Lori Emerson for agreeing to take over the > job. I very much appreciate their generosity in handling not only editorial > issues, but also technical problems and subscriptions requests. > > It's sometimes harder to listen than to speak, or anyway so I have found. > At times like these, I value the listening posts available to me all the more. > > Charles Bernstein > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt older http://lists.village.virginia.edu/~spoons/internet_txt.html Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:25:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Eternal Story MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Eternal Story Mon Mar 17 16:38:11 EST 2003 Time-Date-Stamp "Sometimes," Travis said, "you don't have a choice. But I wake up in the morning and there's, just for an instant, a sense of hope. You don't know what to do with it; it begins to fade just as soon as you're alert, as soon as you realize what the day is going to bring." Sue-Ann felt otherwise. "I keep the whole day like a bouquet of precious flowers," she replied, brushing her hair back. "It keeps me going. These aren't hard times for a lot of people, no matter what you read in the news." Travis said, "I'm going to pay for the espressos," thinking "with my life in this era of inconsequence when you can already hear the military band over there in the Plaza." Sue-Ann was listening intently. When he returned, she went on, "Brass instruments make me nervous, even in an orchestra. And marches are so, well, plodding, as if we've nothing better to do than go around walking in the sand." "Dragging our cannon," replied Travis. He, too, was ill at ease, glancing at a table across the cafe. The General was sitting with his Chief of Staff. They, too, heard the music, and smiled. They were prepared for war. The Chief had laid out a series of maps and diagrams on the small table. He pointed excitedly. "We're here, but we'll be here by fall," he said. The General could only agree. All the satellites carried fresh news of victories. The Chief thought of the desert. In the desert, Claude had his legs shot off. He screamed. Didn't the Chief know what was going on? Surely, Sue-Ann must have filled him in. "Oh, this is a sorry sight," he thought. "I won't survive much longer." In the distance he could hear cannon-fire; it sounded like a military band, all that brass singing for the showdown. He wondered where Travis was, what was going through his mind. Travis was thinking. "War is god-awful. There's no escape; it fills the air, contaminates everyone except the righteous. Anyone who can 'die for something' has never lived for anything. Sue-Ann, thank God, has no illusions. Sue-Ann exists, like I exist, like the men at that table over there, like Claude. Claude must be bored out of his mind, all that sand..." He paused, lit a cigarette, waited for the Resistance to kick in. "Can a desert be ruined," he wondered. "Can anything?" Claude died. The last radiotelephone call to the Chief concerned a flock of black birds over the horizon. "They're everywhere," he said. "They're coming closer and closer. Enormous talons, black as night, red beaks almost glowing in the sun. The birds." "The birds" were his last words. The sand was stained red. His black uniform stood out like the sky. It was inescapable, obscene. The General was pointing. "Stop thinking about Sue-Ann," he said. He pointed at the maps. "Over here, and here, and here." His fingers moved quickly across the landscape. Jean was alone down there, somewhere down there. The Chief said "Don't think about time. Or space, for that matter. This is dead land, a dead map. Someday the sun will disappear. In billions of years it will disappear. That's not much time in the scheme of things. A lot can happen, but then nothing happens at all. Once you realize that, you're saved. You don't have to believe anything, and you're saved." Sue-Ann thought of Jean. "He was my first love," she said, to no one in particular. "Unbelievably empty. That's what kept him going. That's what destroyed me." Travis nodded; he was distracted. "Jean" was a name to him, nothing more. A syllable of affect, like "fuck." It collapsed of its own weight; it was lost, spoken, unspoken. "Jean," she said. "You know it's Jean." She paused. "He's nothing to me." The sand covered the body. The army marched forward, here, and here, and here. The army passed children with their eyes gouged out, women with the arms and breasts cut off, men without ears, noses, legs. All alive on the back of the beast. The dead were indescribable. The birds covered the sky, an enormous migration. The birds kept going, north to south, east to west, west to east, south to north. The birds kept flying. The desert, shadowed, cooled. The trace of the army across the sand... "Let's go," Travis said. "Let's get out of here." "Okay," said Sue-Ann. "Enough memories anyway. And it's getting late." They slowly made their way towards the Plaza. The General and the Chief were already gone. A single napkin remained on the table. "Here," it said. "The guns here." An arrow pointed to the north-east. Sue-Ann turned it as they crossed into the street. Louder and louder, the band! Stirring music and marches! The brass in step! The woodwinds backing up! And the drums! The drums! Night fell. The waiters chained the chairs down, cleared the tables. The band played on. A Story for All Times :: The Eternal Story :: A Story for All Times Mon Mar 17 17:05:05 EST 2003 Mon Mar 17 17:11:01 EST 2003 === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:33:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Full Moon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in NYC, last night's full moon shined down on a candlelight vigil in Union Square. Lynda and I forgot to bring candles and thus were candleless until someone leaving passed one on to us. Mostly the scene was one of people standing around talking by candlelight as Union Square traffic whizzed by on both sides of the park. Dogs still ran in the dog run, as a couple knots of candlelighters crooned oldies by Dylan and Peter, Paul, and Mary. This afternoon--yes, on the brink of war--the annual St. Patrick's Day parade, with bagpipers doing mostly Irish ditties but also, sometimes, patriotic tunes. Lots of American flags at times. No pro- or anti-war posters that I saw (via TV). Tonight's big event--another transglobal finger-wagging at Hussein by our (I hope) one-term president. What next? Hal "Life swarms with innocent monsters." --Charles Baudelaire Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:26:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetry Reading / Buffalo NY In-Reply-To: <99905.3256909227@ny-chicagostreet2c-87.buf.adelphia.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" highly recommended. one cool dude. hi chris! At 5:00 PM -0500 3/17/03, Christopher W. Alexander wrote: >Matthias Regan > >Friday, 21 March >8:00 pm > >Rust Belt Books >202 Allen St. >Buffalo NY > >Matthias Regan's work has appeared in a variety of journals, from href="http://epc.buffalo.edu/mags/verdure">verdure to The Partisan >Review - most recently in Fence - and he has a chapbook, The Most of It, >which was published by nominative press collective in 1999. He is a >graduate student in the English Department at the University of Chicago, >where he is writing his dissertation on the Populist poetry of Lindsay, >Sandburg, Brooks, Olson, and Dorn. He is also nonfiction editor of The >Chicago Review. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: another witness Comments: To: Mark Weiss In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030317121715.02002398@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, thanks for this -- it's stunning, extremely thoughtful, and I think that even at a moment like this when the huge majority of us, myself included, are unequivocably against this impending war, it's worth thinking through the whole truth of the matter including in that the various ways in which we implicate ourselves in the mess each day, painful as that may be to consider. As I mentioned to Kasey Mohammad, I read "Dover Beach" this morning and found the last stanza unbearably sad, despite the fact that I KNOW I'm not supposed to buy into the ineffectual liberal humanism it represents: Ah, love, let us be true To one another! for the world, which seems To lie before us like a land of dreams, So various, so beautiful, so new, Hath really neither joy, nor love, nor light, Nor certitude, nor peace, nor help for pain; And we are here as on a darkling plain Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight, Where ignorant armies clash by night. As an expression of the ultimately conservative (though not in the Bushie sense) belief that war is the general state of things, of the truly pathetic nature of that predicament, that's hard to beat. BUT, but - I think we all need to get beyond any metaphysical wrangling over whether this might in fact be true and, god damn it, ASSERT that it DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SO! That it all might have gone and might in the future go differently! Without that assertion we have nothing, we are nothing. -m. Quoting Mark Weiss : > Yesterday I discovered a colony of tiny white insects in the bottom of a > carton of books in my living room. A part of the bottom of the carton had > been eaten out, so that when I lifted it hundreds of them remained on the > floor. The few books that had been in the carton were intact, but > hopelessly soiled by what I took to be the colony’s accumulated shit–clumps > of brown granules, dry to the touch, but sticky enough so that they > couldn’t be shaken off. I threw the carton, and the books, out the kitchen > door onto the deck, expecting that the cold and rain would finish the job, > or at any rate that I could attend to it when the rain stopped, and > returned to the living room. On the floor was a mass of them, most still > clumped tightly together, over and above each other, in frantic motion. I > did what I had to. > > That evening, between rain squalls, with a few hundred others I held a > candle on a windy beach in vigil against the war that is already upon us, > although the planes and missles have yet to leave the ground. They strain > at the leash, and their masters are eager for death. > > This morning, the two-day rain at last over, I disposed of the carton. > Where it had been were thousands of insects, a writhing mass of panic. I > found an old container of insect spray and bombed them. These were social > insects, and that instinct had doomed them. Nonetheless, a few had begun to > scatter from the core, some apparently unable to maintain direction, an > effect of the poison, but others simply running for their lives. I squashed > them with my fingers. > > The central colony was filled with the dead and dying, but a mass of the > living survived in the canyons between the redwood planks. So I bombed them > again. This time there were no survivors > > All my life I have loved books, viscerally, and my house is filled with > them. When I was a child I was taught that if a sacred text–a Hebrew prayer > book or scripture–fell to the floor I was to kiss it when I picked it up, > as if it were a living thing. An ancient practice that the teachers > extended to anything written in the sacred language. This was a very few > years after the Nazi slaughter, and the shards of Judaism were infinitely > precious. > > I learned to read from those books, and to love poetry. In them was the > story of my people. Miriam played the timbrels on the shore as the > Egyptians perished, and the stars in their courses fought against Sisera. > Over time all books became sacred. > > Just now I inspected one of the corpses under a magnifying glass. A kind of > termite, apparently, slender and elegant and something shy of an eighth of > an inch long. They had done what they do, whatever cognition a dim thing at > best, and free of malice, but I had seen their desperation in the face of > death, and I found it hard not to ascribe consciousness to them. I was > filled with bitterness as I squashed them. What I had to do. > > When I was a child I imagined myself a man on horseback, leading my people > against the hordes of ants. There were always more of them–the threat was > unrelenting–but I was always victorious. Thousands of them must have > perished beneath my omnipotent thumb, or been consumed by fire, or when > occasion permitted dismembered by the blasts of firecrackers planted in the > mouths of their colonies. That was my daytime fantasy. At night I was also > on horseback, killing Germans no less relentlessly. Vermin were vermin, and > the more they suffered the better. > > But even then, as moments ago when I sat cross-legged on the deck watching > the progress of this new extermination, mixed with my bitterness was the > sense that these were somehow beings with memories and passions, and I > thought I would burst from the pain of it. > > Tomorrow, or the next day, or the day after, the planes and missiles will > be unleashed. Some will imagine the targeted masses as vermin. Others will > do what they think they have to. > > Last night on the beach the crowd whispered the old songs: “This land is > your land,” “Give peace a chance,” and my friend Jerry said that the songs > can be infinitely recycled, but nothing else ever changes. Memory is a > terrible thing. A lifetime of anguish, and the sure sense that this will > never end, not in my time, not in the time of those I love. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 22:20:36 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Jarnot in Saint Louis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa Jarnot will give a reading in Saint Louis Thursday, March 20th at 5:30 pm Humanities Building, Room 142 3800 Lindell Boulevard on the campus of Saint Louis University Saint Louis, Missouri Jarnot has published two celebrated books of poetry, Some Other Kind of Mission (Burning Deck,1996) and Ring of Fire (Zoland, 2001).She is currently at work on a biography of the poet Robert Duncan. ======================= Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:16:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: The Naked Readings Subject: Coming This Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Naked Readings Sunday, Mar. 23rd 7pm - Midnight Open Mic. Poetry & Art Series $5 Suggested donation We're opening and closing with a community expression session (DRUM = CIRCLE) Bring a Drum and get on down! If you don't have one to play or = want one of your own, we'll fortunately have a Master Drum Maker, Conrad = Kubiak of The Spirit in the Wood there all evening facilitating the two = drum circles. All his Hand made Drums will be for sale throughout the = evening.=20 Thanks to the amazing support of the passionate North Jersey Poetry = community we have not only found a great new spacious home to = intermingle at but we have heard the voices and beginning March 23rd = Spiral Bridge will introduce you monthly to a featured poet. We are honored and delighted to present=20 March's featured Poet=20 Sander Zulauf Please check the web site for a current poem by Sander. Spiral Bridge is your non-profit poetry arts organization. Music by Lynn Rosenthal @ Bloomfield Ave. Caf=E9 & Stage=20 347 Bloomfield Ave. Montclair, NJ=20 Sunday Mar. 23rd, 2003 7pm-Midnight Visit us on-line @ www.SpiralBridge.org Active Ingredients: You For best results use before date shown on package. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:30:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fence and Fence Books List Organization: Fence and Fence Books List Subject: Spring--A Lot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Fence News In celebration of spring, Fence is having a back-issue blowout. Any available back issue for $3, plus shipping. Go here for this once-in-a-lifetime offer: http://www.fencemag.com In celebration of imminent summer, Fence would like to give advance word of a coming moratorium on both fiction and poetry submissions: June, July, August—we’re not reading. Fence Books News (http://www.fencebooks.com) Fence Books is delighted to announce the winner of the 2003 Alberta Prize: Sky Girl, by Rosemary Griggs of San Francisco, CA, will be published in the fall of 2003. Sky Girl takes up the airborne commedia where Coffee Tea or Me leaves off, in a new atmosphere of revised service, revised glamour, and revised terror. From far off and quite near, the poems of Rosemary Griggs observe with a kind but unstinting gaze the trials of the flight attendant, post-disaster. “Kimberlie in her little/room again peck peck/pecking at the carpet. . . . Kimbelie trying not to take life/seriously sits on the plastic couch.” Our girl Kimberlie jets to parts known and unknown—Saginaw, Phuket, Isoka, Maui, a weekend getaway, a layover, the great blue yonder—inspiring affection and sympathetic fear and loneliness wherever she goes. These are poems as varied and exploratory, and deeply humane, as any job description can be: “At the temple Kimberlie too puts incense in the cauldron/and brushes the dark smoke over her/forehead over her heart.//She takes off her shoes and kneels before god who is blue,/has three eyes and two fangs.” And: A few readings by Joyelle McSweeney, author of The Red Bird, to take your mind off . . . Friday, April 4th 7:00 pm Joyelle McSweeney & Kevin Young Brazos Bookstore 2421 Bissonnet Street, Houston, TX Monday, April 28th 8:00 pm Joyelle McSweeney, Meghan Cleary & April Bernard Reading Between A and B Series 11th Street Bar, 510 E. 11th Street between Avenues A & B New York City And, Fence Books is happy to note the participation of Michael Earl Craig, author of Can You Relax in My House, in a big, huge, two-night poetry reading in New York City: Tuesday, April 8th and Wednesday, April 9th 7:30 pm THE PSA FESTIVAL OF NEW AMERICAN POETS Two evenings of ten poets each: Quan Barry, David Berman, Jeff Clark, Michael Earl Craig, Timothy Donnelly, Matthea Harvey, Christine Hume, Major Jackson, Mông-Lan, Constance Merritt, Geoffrey G. O'Brien, Prageeta Sharma, Brenda Shaughnessy, Spencer Short, Rebecca Wolff, Rachel Zucker, and the four inaugural PSA Chapbook Fellows, Dawn Lundy Martin-chosen by C. D. Wright, Kerri Webster-chosen by Carl Phillips, Paul Killebrew-chosen by John Ashbery, and Tess Taylor-chosen by Eavan Boland. Reception to follow each reading. Tishman Auditorium, The New School, 66 West 12th Street between 5th and 6th Avenues. $10 both nights / $7 Students or $7 for one night / $5 Students. Call 212-254-9628 for more information. -- To unsubscribe from: Fence and Fence Books List, just follow this link: http://www.constantcritic.com/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=u&l=fence&e=poetics@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu&p=10002 Click the link, or copy and paste the address into your browser. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:44:36 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM | - | - | - | - | - peace and quiet JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:47:56 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Strikes First Blow Against American Forces Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bush Strikes First Blow Against American Forces: Gaff During Speech May Cost Untold American Lives: Bush Drifts Off, Fucks Up Ultimatum By DIOGENES SINOPE The Assassinated Press & Fly on the Wall News Service 3/17/03 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:30:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?a_pornography_that_can=92t_seem_to_be_replaced?= In-Reply-To: <1047949990.3e7672a637630@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a pornography that can=92t seem to be replaced death names keep tabulations in the rivers and night skies, obedient as=20= a labor force, or a glass of milk; empty now as these days fall under=20 the fullness of whispers breaking on the ground. sitting like a drugged=20= glass case, blocks are consumed in derelict flames. slaughter is a all=20= day event, it takes years to question zeno's pitch. . . . in an endless=20= testimony the bystanders race for the sacred nodding of back seat dogs=20= and cats. still, medusa is on my knee in a homeless hiroshima as oil=20 ebb tide's boomerang in the fly-by-night inconsistencies, the ground=20 has a grand mall seizures and I dream of fear, you steady my hand. but=20= I know that's just a dream and all I hear is a surplus of calculations. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:57:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Slam Poetics Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:10:15 -0500 > From: Vernon Frazer > Subject: Re: Slam Poetics Is Back! by Nick Piombino on About Com with Bob > Holman and Margery Snyder > > Dear Nick, > > You are without doubt the Don Dunphy of Poetry Slam Commentators, and I > thank you for mentioning my participatiion in the BPL Slam to end and/or > continue all Poetry Slams. > > Aside from misspelling my surname so that it links me more closely to my > illustrious Philadelphia brethren, I have only one other problem with your > piece: all you report about me in the article is my clinching. Not a word > about the left hook that runs through my family's history, or my sharp and > accurate left jab, and my explosive right hand. I suggest you correct this > before Smokin' Joe reads it and makes editorial assertions of his own. > > Thanks, > > Burnin' Vernon Frazer Hey Burnin' Vernon, My apologies for these unforgivable oversights. I hope you don't hold a grudge because I'd hate to have that fearsome left jab or that explosive right hand land on my jaw! I must have been mesmerized! But the fact is that the poetics list has a history of over 10 years of great slams and they are all recorded on the archives for anyone to read. Joel Kuszai's terrific book is loaded with 'em (Poetics@ -Roof Books-, 1999). No listee or blogger can afford to be without this book. Check out 187 pages packed with slams and bams, socko comments and jaw crackin' comebacks from the likes of Joe Amato, Kevin Killian, Peter Quartermain, Dodie Bellamy, Wystan Curnow, Alan Loney (5 pages of poetics slammin' straight on one post alone), Patrick Phillips, Jennifer Moxley , Benjamin Friedlander, Juliana Spahr (pages and pages of spine snappin' action between these slammers on a very timely topic: the social poem),then Steve Evans jumps in as well as Charles Bernstein on- Community and the Individual Talent-, then Sandra Braman and Susan Schulz jump into the ring and slam back at all these slammers, like Sandra Braman's left hook ("I get nervous with extensive discussions about formations of community, actually, for it seems to take the place of engaging in the activities in the doing...") and (the Mangler) Maria Damon hits hard with hammer slams like "I"m not sure how much is gained by looking for differences btw ghosts and martians in spicer," to be followed by Robert Creeley's whopper to the solar plexis: "...it's instantly hard to hear anyone but one's self- and the moves, as in a poker game or checkers, become too simply (for me at least) redeterminations of my "position" (hardly intellectual) as I want to keep "playing" - and why not?" Why not indeed and in another post: "'I rage/I rage, I rage'", and there's Michael Boughn, Tony Green, Ron Silliman, then there's Tom Mandel, James Sherry, Larry Price, Marjorie Perloff, Eric Pape, Kali Tal, Leslie Scalapino, Ira Lightman sluggin'it out in a free for all slam poetics match on- the provacative magazine -Apex of the M!- (you haven't read a poetic slam in your life if you've never read that one and if you have, go back to get some pointers with these amazing instant replays) and others from the likes of Jackson Mac Low, Jerry Rothenberg, John Cayley, Sheila Murphy, Colleen Lookingbill, Loss Glazier, Don Byrd, Lisa Samuels and more. You need to read these especially to be ready for those terrifying moments when you might just encounter on the poetics list the likes of Joe Safdie, Gary Sullivan, Nada Gordon, Harry Nudel, Jim Behrle, K. Silem Mohammad, Steven Vincent, Walter K.Lew, Joel Weishaus, Gwyn McVay, Richard Taylor or CA Conrad or many others coming at you with poetics points that leave you reeling with mind-numbing bruises and question marks jumpin out of your brain!!! And the list does go on, bammin' jammin' and slammin' day after day, night after night... -Nick- Nick ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:32:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Woe the body. . . 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Woe -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:45:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: MAINSTREAM #1408 EXCERPT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MAINSTREAM #1408 EXCERPT that is heartily people's view of what they are. But here they are as in the Sutra of the Twelve Perfections: The breakpoint has appeared and he has taught the Dharma. abnormity, at this time the teachings still supervises. So that they Yates iron clothes, crops still actual them, And at most are treating us with beloved and plot. These error of observation favors are those that lecherous in liquidation to at most. "ummmmm" Abu woke with a sit down. It took a while to get her bearings. She Edith-pot over at Rylie who was still limetree asleep. The baleful was just skeptic to come up. 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I'll be catch when we run up things the same way." sneak the twelve hot Hells, the motor-car is the Reviving dies. The posters for films further the bagatelle had gross depictions of black girls, lunch smiling or looking vast, but chore shoo in the foreground. that was reserved for the white stars of the films, who also were shoo wearing needing grief Sidonie they did in the films. One particularly large loud each a white man and women kissing in unexpected, while black women were shoo in the impedance being raped by soldiers in a town bathed in flames. The screwdriver of human user versus non-interventionin torch affairs. Defining U.S. interests is also my windscreen lose. Our analysisargues that the most review U.S. ties are with the afghanistan majorpowers, both in artillery and increasingly in rapidly-growing EastAsia. 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Don't get Yudhishthir demanded that the along with M4A3E8 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.462 / Virus Database: 261 - Release Date: 3/13/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:41:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: The Making of Americans Comments: To: circulars@arras.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 18.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey There's a lot of talk here, as there is everywhere, about what Americans = are made of. How much manifest stupidity and malice can there be in a = nation's will to violence? I keep telling my students to be as exacting = in their denunciations of the actions of the Bush administration as they = are in their affections for American films and music. As a Canadian teaching American culture and literature in Turkey, I feel = strangely caught in the middle. My students see me as quasi-American and = as an ersatz spokesperson for American values. What could be more = ridiculous than that? And yet, here I am, teaching American culture to = students who, most of them anyway, love and hate America in almost equal = measure. That I can understand. All of the missile launchers have left the Mediterranean and have passed = through the Suez canal bound for the Red Sea where they can send their = weapons without having to violate Turkish airspace. No doubt the dozens = of cargo ships loaded with jeeps and tanks and artillery will turn tail = soon, if they haven't already. Euan, who was born three months before we came here, is learning to = walk. We are mobbed by incredibly affectionate well-wishers whenever we = step out in public. His blue eyes. My former student Levent wrote to me recently to say that he wouldn't be = able to drop by for a long time. He was passed over by the military. = Instead he will join a Turkish company and work as a guide and = translator for American soldiers in Diyabikir, near the Iraq border. As = all Turks do, he asked me to kiss the baby for him and give his best = wishes to my wife. All this recent protracted talk about the Americans hit a high pitch = around the time that the Turkish parlaiment voted down the government's = resolution to allow the US to use Turkish air bases in the eastern part = of the country. It also coincided with the section of my American Poetry = class on counter-cultural modernism (a designation I use to characterize = works that turn from literature and attempt to interpellate techniques = and strategies from other media and other art practices (cubism, oral = performance, documentary, etc.). I thought the subject and the times = called for something different so I read from The Making of Americans = for 45 minutes. I have been reading The Making of Americans to Euan = since before he was born. I was also thinking, when I came up with this = crazy idea, of Stein's descriptions of American soldiers in France = during the wars she lived through.=20 I began to read, moving the text closer and closer to my face in order = to bear down on the syntax and maintain the rhythm. I wanted my students = to HEAR Stein. I thought that if they just sat there and listened they = would break through their resistence to it. I have been moved to the = brink of tears by reading The Making of Americans. If my students could = get the rhythm they might slide into a groove and go with that. That = that mightnot happen hadn't occurred to me. At first I felt stupid and manipulative for doing this, but I hadn't = prepared anything else so I had to go on. Eventually, I worked myself = into a mythic kind of dry-mouthed trance, swaying back and forth, = sucking the words off the page and setting them down in the ether in = front of me. They seemed to hang there a moment before vanishing. I had = tunneled into the text and there was no need to look up. Something like = the "perpetual present," which I had always thought of as bollocks, = "came athwart me", as Wordsworth says. There was no there there. When I stopped, the stupid feeling returned to me. Some of my students = were clearly also in a trance, others sat with their arms crossed, = others, I realized, had spent the time text-messaging their friends. The = students who felt like talking said it sucked, that they hated all that = repetition, it irritated them. I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding = myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response = from one of my students. The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. = Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind = and deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over = and over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration = against disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The = Making of Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on = hearing. Within a short time of period, while listening to it I am = evoked by the sound and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am = sure if there were no paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. = While reading it, I received deliverance, because the flow of the = language activated Asmita. If you ask me what I got from the novel(?), I = cannot give you a summary, but if you ask me what I got from it, I can = say that my mind was set free from material inclinations.=20 "Onward!" as Creeley says. "The mother tongue is propaganda"=20 --Marshall McLuhan (1965) Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:40:37 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: The Making of Americans In-Reply-To: <00e701c2ed3a$fab70660$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4A1259BA; boundary="=======6E41AAF=======" --=======6E41AAF======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4A1259BA; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit thanks there is not a lot of post on this war/attack/annihilation/invasion that i get through reading, but scott it is good to hear your perspective. i went to the united states in april 2001 for the first time and met and loved many american people and places. so it is hard not to love people and dislike the other face of the usa, the political super-power, that has been so ugly in the past. i love the usa for its culture too, i mean as a child of the tv generation i am as daggy as beaver cleaver and as wholesome as the nelsons. but as a person with cultural links to greece, i remember the rubber stamping of the junta by vice president richard nixon, and the support for the invasion(re-population) of cyprus in exchange for military bases in turkey in the period 1967 - 1974. it must be hard for you scott, so many people must mis-judge and mis-read you these days, just like Muslim people in australia are being mis-trusted and mis-treated. regards komninos ps a phd candidate at our university, griffith, gold coast, at 8am today began a hunger strike against the involvement in the w.a[ttack]nnihilat[invas]ion.r. he is of chilean ethnic origin and cannot not do anything about the situation. please send your support for his campaign of 'food not war' j.cantellano@griffith.edu.au komninos At 08:41 PM 18/03/03, you wrote: >18.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey > >There's a lot of talk here, as there is everywhere, about what Americans >are made of. How much manifest stupidity and malice can there be in a >nation's will to violence? I keep telling my students to be as exacting in >their denunciations of the actions of the Bush administration as they are >in their affections for American films and music. > >As a Canadian teaching American culture and literature in Turkey, I feel >strangely caught in the middle. My students see me as quasi-American and >as an ersatz spokesperson for American values. What could be more >ridiculous than that? And yet, here I am, teaching American culture to >students who, most of them anyway, love and hate America in almost equal >measure. That I can understand. > >All of the missile launchers have left the Mediterranean and have passed >through the Suez canal bound for the Red Sea where they can send their >weapons without having to violate Turkish airspace. No doubt the dozens of >cargo ships loaded with jeeps and tanks and artillery will turn tail soon, >if they haven't already. > >Euan, who was born three months before we came here, is learning to walk. >We are mobbed by incredibly affectionate well-wishers whenever we step out >in public. His blue eyes. > >My former student Levent wrote to me recently to say that he wouldn't be >able to drop by for a long time. He was passed over by the military. >Instead he will join a Turkish company and work as a guide and translator >for American soldiers in Diyabikir, near the Iraq border. As all Turks do, >he asked me to kiss the baby for him and give his best wishes to my wife. > >All this recent protracted talk about the Americans hit a high pitch >around the time that the Turkish parlaiment voted down the government's >resolution to allow the US to use Turkish air bases in the eastern part of >the country. It also coincided with the section of my American Poetry >class on counter-cultural modernism (a designation I use to characterize >works that turn from literature and attempt to interpellate techniques and >strategies from other media and other art practices (cubism, oral >performance, documentary, etc.). I thought the subject and the times >called for something different so I read from The Making of Americans for >45 minutes. I have been reading The Making of Americans to Euan since >before he was born. I was also thinking, when I came up with this crazy >idea, of Stein's descriptions of American soldiers in France during the >wars she lived through. > >I began to read, moving the text closer and closer to my face in order to >bear down on the syntax and maintain the rhythm. I wanted my students to >HEAR Stein. I thought that if they just sat there and listened they would >break through their resistence to it. I have been moved to the brink of >tears by reading The Making of Americans. If my students could get the >rhythm they might slide into a groove and go with that. That that mightnot >happen hadn't occurred to me. > >At first I felt stupid and manipulative for doing this, but I hadn't >prepared anything else so I had to go on. Eventually, I worked myself into >a mythic kind of dry-mouthed trance, swaying back and forth, sucking the >words off the page and setting them down in the ether in front of me. They >seemed to hang there a moment before vanishing. I had tunneled into the >text and there was no need to look up. Something like the "perpetual >present," which I had always thought of as bollocks, "came athwart me", as >Wordsworth says. There was no there there. > >When I stopped, the stupid feeling returned to me. Some of my students >were clearly also in a trance, others sat with their arms crossed, others, >I realized, had spent the time text-messaging their friends. The students >who felt like talking said it sucked, that they hated all that repetition, >it irritated them. > >I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding >myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response >from one of my students. > The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. > Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind and > deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over and > over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration against > disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The Making of > Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on hearing. Within > a short time of period, while listening to it I am evoked by the sound > and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am sure if there were no > paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. While reading it, I > received deliverance, because the flow of the language activated Asmita. > If you ask me what I got from the novel(?), I cannot give you a summary, > but if you ask me what I got from it, I can say that my mind was set free > from material inclinations. >"Onward!" as Creeley says. > > >"The mother tongue is propaganda" > --Marshall McLuhan (1965) > >Scott Pound >Assistant Professor >Department of American Culture and Literature >Bilkent University >TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara >TURKEY > >+90 (312) 290 3115 (office) >+90 (312) 290 2791 (home) >+90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) > >pounds@bilkent.edu.tr >http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======6E41AAF======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4A1259BA Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 --=======6E41AAF=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:44:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: J. KYAZZE to join Creeley, Hacker, Baraka and others at World Poetry Day Reading In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030318211957.00acd800@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends: Mr. J. Kyazze will join renowned poets Robert Creeley, Marilyn Hacker, Vi= jay Seshadri, Grace Schulman, Amiri and Amini Baraka and High School students= from around the world to celebrate UNESCO?s World Poetry Day and the Unit= ed Nation?s ?Dialogue Among Civilizations? on Wednesday, March 19, 2003 at 8:00 PM at Mason Hall, Baruch College, 17 Lexington Ave. at 23rd St. in New York City. The event is free and open to the public. Mr. J. Kyazze, UNESCO Representative to the United Nations. For more information about the program please visit http://www.dialoguepo= etry.org Thank You, Ram Devineni 212-560-7459 Rattapallax Press 532 La Guardia Place, Suite 353 New York, NY 10012 USA http://www.rattapallax.com http://www.dialoguepoetry.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:53:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: The Making of Americans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Komninos: Thanks for your generous response. I should clarify one thing. I don't find my position here difficult, and in no way could our situation even remotely be compared to that of Muslims living in Australia. My wife, my son (he's 10 months old) and I have been overwhelmed by Turkish hospitality, especially the average person's love of children. Some day I may recount my visit to one of my student's ancestral village. Never have I eaten so well or felt so comfortable in the company of strangers. I had heard before we came last year that Turkish people were hospitable and that they loved children, but nothing could have prepared us for the level of respect and kindness that virtually everyone has shown us. As for being Canadian in a foreign land and being taken for American by default, we Canadians are used to that. We just turn on the humility and it all goes away. Best, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "komninos zervos" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 6:40 AM Subject: Re: The Making of Americans > thanks > there is not a lot of post on this war/attack/annihilation/invasion that i > get through reading, but scott it is good to hear your perspective. > i went to the united states in april 2001 for the first time and met and > loved many american people and places. so it is hard not to love people and > dislike the other face of the usa, the political super-power, that has been > so ugly in the past. i love the usa for its culture too, i mean as a child > of the tv generation i am as daggy as beaver cleaver and as wholesome as > the nelsons. but as a person with cultural links to greece, i remember the > rubber stamping of the junta by vice president richard nixon, and the > support for the invasion(re-population) of cyprus in exchange for military > bases in turkey in the period 1967 - 1974. > it must be hard for you scott, so many people must mis-judge and mis-read > you these days, just like Muslim people in australia are being mis-trusted > and mis-treated. > > > regards > komninos > > ps > a phd candidate at our university, griffith, gold coast, at 8am today began > a hunger strike against the involvement in the w.a[ttack]nnihilat[invas]ion.r. > he is of chilean ethnic origin and cannot not do anything about the situation. > please send your support for his campaign of 'food not war' > > j.cantellano@griffith.edu.au > > > > komninos > > > At 08:41 PM 18/03/03, you wrote: > > >18.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey > > > >There's a lot of talk here, as there is everywhere, about what Americans > >are made of. How much manifest stupidity and malice can there be in a > >nation's will to violence? I keep telling my students to be as exacting in > >their denunciations of the actions of the Bush administration as they are > >in their affections for American films and music. > > > >As a Canadian teaching American culture and literature in Turkey, I feel > >strangely caught in the middle. My students see me as quasi-American and > >as an ersatz spokesperson for American values. What could be more > >ridiculous than that? And yet, here I am, teaching American culture to > >students who, most of them anyway, love and hate America in almost equal > >measure. That I can understand. > > > >All of the missile launchers have left the Mediterranean and have passed > >through the Suez canal bound for the Red Sea where they can send their > >weapons without having to violate Turkish airspace. No doubt the dozens of > >cargo ships loaded with jeeps and tanks and artillery will turn tail soon, > >if they haven't already. > > > >Euan, who was born three months before we came here, is learning to walk. > >We are mobbed by incredibly affectionate well-wishers whenever we step out > >in public. His blue eyes. > > > >My former student Levent wrote to me recently to say that he wouldn't be > >able to drop by for a long time. He was passed over by the military. > >Instead he will join a Turkish company and work as a guide and translator > >for American soldiers in Diyabikir, near the Iraq border. As all Turks do, > >he asked me to kiss the baby for him and give his best wishes to my wife. > > > >All this recent protracted talk about the Americans hit a high pitch > >around the time that the Turkish parlaiment voted down the government's > >resolution to allow the US to use Turkish air bases in the eastern part of > >the country. It also coincided with the section of my American Poetry > >class on counter-cultural modernism (a designation I use to characterize > >works that turn from literature and attempt to interpellate techniques and > >strategies from other media and other art practices (cubism, oral > >performance, documentary, etc.). I thought the subject and the times > >called for something different so I read from The Making of Americans for > >45 minutes. I have been reading The Making of Americans to Euan since > >before he was born. I was also thinking, when I came up with this crazy > >idea, of Stein's descriptions of American soldiers in France during the > >wars she lived through. > > > >I began to read, moving the text closer and closer to my face in order to > >bear down on the syntax and maintain the rhythm. I wanted my students to > >HEAR Stein. I thought that if they just sat there and listened they would > >break through their resistence to it. I have been moved to the brink of > >tears by reading The Making of Americans. If my students could get the > >rhythm they might slide into a groove and go with that. That that mightnot > >happen hadn't occurred to me. > > > >At first I felt stupid and manipulative for doing this, but I hadn't > >prepared anything else so I had to go on. Eventually, I worked myself into > >a mythic kind of dry-mouthed trance, swaying back and forth, sucking the > >words off the page and setting them down in the ether in front of me. They > >seemed to hang there a moment before vanishing. I had tunneled into the > >text and there was no need to look up. Something like the "perpetual > >present," which I had always thought of as bollocks, "came athwart me", as > >Wordsworth says. There was no there there. > > > >When I stopped, the stupid feeling returned to me. Some of my students > >were clearly also in a trance, others sat with their arms crossed, others, > >I realized, had spent the time text-messaging their friends. The students > >who felt like talking said it sucked, that they hated all that repetition, > >it irritated them. > > > >I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding > >myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response > >from one of my students. > > The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. > > Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind and > > deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over and > > over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration against > > disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The Making of > > Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on hearing. Within > > a short time of period, while listening to it I am evoked by the sound > > and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am sure if there were no > > paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. While reading it, I > > received deliverance, because the flow of the language activated Asmita. > > If you ask me what I got from the novel(?), I cannot give you a summary, > > but if you ask me what I got from it, I can say that my mind was set free > > from material inclinations. > >"Onward!" as Creeley says. > > > > > >"The mother tongue is propaganda" > > --Marshall McLuhan (1965) > > > >Scott Pound > >Assistant Professor > >Department of American Culture and Literature > >Bilkent University > >TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara > >TURKEY > > > >+90 (312) 290 3115 (office) > >+90 (312) 290 2791 (home) > >+90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) > > > >pounds@bilkent.edu.tr > >http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > > komninos zervos > lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major > School of Arts > Griffith University > Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 > Gold Coast Campus > Parkwood > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Queensland 9726 > Australia > Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 > homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos > broadband experiments: > http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs > audioblog > http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:20:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Mark Weiss... 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You can unsubscribe anytime from Fence and Fence Books List by following this link: http://www.constantcritic.com/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=u&l=fence&e=poetics@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu&p=10002 If you have questions regarding this mailing list, you can contact the list owner at: rwolff@angel.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 06:59:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by Israeli Bulldozer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Witherup=20 To: Joel Weishaus=20 Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: Re: International Solidarity Movement Activist Killed by = Israeli Bulldozer Joel, please help rocketing this around:=20 John Bradley, and William Witherup, co-editors of the anti-Iraq war = anthology in progress, HOW MANY MILES TO BABYLON, invite all poets to = submit an elegy to Rachel Corrie, the courageous young woman from = Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington who stood up to an armed = Israeli bulldozer in Rafah, Palestine, the West Bank, on Sunday, 16 = March, 2003. Most of you who have already contributed to the anthology = know the process. If you want more information, contact Bill = Witherup,co-editor, at moolmool27@msn.com.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:27:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Murder in Palestine: An Email from Activist Rachel Corrie & 2 other items Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers , pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This sent via Carrol Cox in ISU's English dept. First, a statement from Rachel's parents. Second, an email Rachel sent on Febr 7th. Third, an eyewitness account of Rachel's murder. - gabe >(1) Statement from Rachel Corrie's parents > >March 16, 2003 > >"We are now in a period of grieving and still finding out the details >behind the death of Rachel in the Gaza Strip. We have raised all our >children to appreciate the beauty of the global community and family and >are proud that Rachel was able to live her convictions. Rachel was >filled with love and a sense of duty to her fellow man, wherever they >lived. And, she gave her life trying to protect those that are unable to >protect themselves. Rachel wrote to us from the Gaza Strip and we would >like to release to the media her experience in her own words at this >time. > >Thank you. Craig and Cindy Corrie, parents of Rachel Corrie > >-- Excerpts from an e-mail from Rachel on February 7, 2003. > >I have been in Palestine for two weeks and one hour now, and I still >have very few words to describe what I see. It is most difficult for me >to think about what's going on here when I sit down to write back to the >United States--something about the virtual portal into luxury. I don't >know if many of the children here have ever existed without tank-shell >holes in their walls and the towers of an occupying army surveying them >constantly from the near horizons. I think, although I'm not entirely >sure, that even the smallest of these children understand that life is >not like this everywhere. An eight-year-old was shot and killed by an >Israeli tank two days before I got here, and many of the children murmur >his name to me, "Ali"--or point at the posters of him on the walls. The >children also love to get me to practice my limited Arabic by asking me >"Kaif Sharon?" "Kaif Bush?" and they laugh when I say "Bush Majnoon" >"Sharon Majnoon" back in my limited Arabic. (How is Sharo! n? How is >Bush? Bush is crazy. Sharon is crazy.) Of course this isn't quite what I >believe, and some of the adults who have the English correct me: Bush >mish Majnoon... Bush is a businessman. Today I tried to learn to say >"Bush is a tool", but I don't think it translated quite right. But >anyway, there are eight-year-olds here much more aware of the workings >of the global power structure than I was just a few years ago--at least >regarding Israel. > >Nevertheless, I think about the fact that no amount of reading, >attendance at conferences, documentary viewing and word of mouth could >have prepared me for the reality of the situation here. You just can't >imagine it unless you see it, and even then you are always well aware >that your experience is not at all the reality: what with the >difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US >citizen, and with the fact that I have money to buy water when the army >destroys wells, and, of course, the fact that I have the option of >leaving. > >Nobody in my family has been shot, driving in their car, by a rocket >launcher from a tower at the end of a major street in my hometown. I >have a home. I am allowed to go see the ocean. Ostensibly it is still >quite difficult for me to be held for months or years on end without a >trial (this because I am a white US citizen, as opposed to so many >others). When I leave for school or work I can be relatively certain >that there will not be a heavily armed soldier waiting half way between >Mud Bay and downtown Olympia at a checkpoint-a soldier with the power to >decide whether I can go about my business, and whether I can get home >again when I'm done. So, if I feel outrage at arriving and entering >briefly and incompletely into the world in which these children exist, I >wonder conversely about how it would be for them to arrive in my world. > >They know that children in the United States don't usually have their >parents shot and they know they sometimes get to see the ocean. But once >you have seen the ocean and lived in a silent place, where water is >taken for granted and not stolen in the night by bulldozers, and once >you have spent an evening when you haven't wondered if the walls of your >home might suddenly fall inward waking you from your sleep, and once >you've met people who have never lost anyone-- once you have experienced >the reality of a world that isn't surrounded by murderous towers, tanks, >armed "settlements" and now a giant metal wall, I wonder if you can >forgive the world for all the years of your childhood spent >existing--just existing--in resistance to the constant stranglehold of >the world's fourth largest military--backed by the world's only >superpower-in it's attempt to erase you from your home. That is >something I wonder about these children. I wonder what would happen if >they really kne! w. > >As an afterthought to all this rambling, I am in Rafah, a city of about >140,000 people, approximately 60 percent of whom are refugees-many of >whom are twice or three times refugees. Rafah existed prior to 1948, but >most of the people here are themselves or are descendants of people who >were relocated here from their homes in historic Palestine-now Israel. >Rafah was split in half when the Sinai returned to Egypt. Currently, the >Israeli army is building a fourteen-meter-high wall between Rafah in >Palestine and the border, carving a no-mans land from the houses along >the border. Six hundred and two homes have been completely bulldozed >according to the Rafah Popular Refugee Committee. The number of homes >that have been partially destroyed is greater. > >Today as I walked on top of the rubble where homes once stood, Egyptian >soldiers called to me from the other side of the border, "Go! Go!" >because a tank was coming. Followed by waving and "what's your name?". >There is something disturbing about this friendly curiosity. It reminded >me of how much, to some degree, we are all kids curious about other >kids: Egyptian kids shouting at strange women wandering into the path of >tanks. Palestinian kids shot from the tanks when they peak out from >behind walls to see what's going on. International kids standing in >front of tanks with banners. Israeli kids in the tanks anonymously, >occasionally shouting-- and also occasionally waving-- many forced to be >here, many just aggressive, shooting into the houses as we wander away. > >In addition to the constant presence of tanks along the border and in >the western region between Rafah and settlements along the coast, there >are more IDF towers here than I can count--along the horizon,at the end >of streets. Some just army green metal. Others these strange spiral >staircases draped in some kind of netting to make the activity within >anonymous. Some hidden,just beneath the horizon of buildings. A new one >went up the other day in the time it took us to do laundry and to cross >town twice to hang banners. Despite the fact that some of the areas >nearest the border are the original Rafah with families who have lived >on this land for at least a century, only the 1948 camps in the center >of the city are Palestinian controlled areas under Oslo. But as far as I >can tell, there are few if any places that are not within the sights of >some tower or another. Certainly there is no place invulnerable to >apache helicopters or to the cameras of invisible drones we hear buzzing >over the city for hours at a time. > >I've been having trouble accessing news about the outside world here, >but I hear an escalation of war on Iraq is inevitable. There is a great >deal of concern here about the "reoccupation of Gaza." Gaza is >reoccupied every day to various extents, but I think the fear is that >the tanks will enter all the streets and remain here, instead of >entering some of the streets and then withdrawing after some hours or >days to observe and shoot from the edges of the communities. If people >aren't already thinking about the consequences of this war for the >people of the entire region then I hope they will start. > >I also hope you'll come here. We've been wavering between five and six >internationals. The neighborhoods that have asked us for some form of >presence are Yibna, Tel El Sultan, Hi Salam, Brazil, Block J, Zorob, and >Block O. There is also need for constant night-time presence at a well >on the outskirts of Rafah since the Israeli army destroyed the two >largest wells. According to the municipal water office the wells >destroyed last week provided half of Rafah's water supply. Many of the >communities have requested internationals to be present at night to >attempt to shield houses from further demolition. After about ten p.m. >it is very difficult to move at night because the Israeli army treats >anyone in the streets as resistance and shoots at them. So clearly we >are too few. > >I continue to believe that my home, Olympia, could gain a lot and offer >a lot by deciding to make a commitment to Rafah in the form of a sister- >community relationship. Some teachers and children's groups have >expressed interest in e-mail exchanges, but this is only the tip of the >iceberg of solidarity work that might be done. Many people want their >voices to be heard, and I think we need to use some of our privilege as >internationals to get those voices heard directly in the US, rather than >through the filter of well-meaning internationals such as myself. I am >just beginning to learn, from what I expect to be a very intense >tutelage, about the ability of people to organize against all odds, and >to resist against all odds. > >- - - - - > >(2) Subject: An eyewitness account of Rachel Corrie's murder from ISM >activist Tom in Rafah >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:43:01 +0200 >From: Bryan Atinsky >Reply-To: lbo-talk@lists.panix.com >Organization: Indymedia Israel >To: lbo-talk@lists.panix.com > >An eyewitness account of Rachel Corrie's murder from ISM activist Tom in >Rafah > >http://www.indymedia.org.il/imc/israel/webcast/display.php3?article_id=52796 > >Many of you will of heard varying accounts of the death of Rachel >Corrie, maybe others will have heard nothing of it. Regardless, I was 10 >metres away when it happened 2 days ago, and this is the way it went. > >We'd been monitoring and occasionally obstructing the 2 bulldozers for >about 2 hours when 1 of them turned toward a house we knew to be >threatened with demolition. Rachel knelt down in its way. She was 10-20 >metres in front of the bulldozer, clearly visible, the only object for >many metres, directly in it's view. They were in Radio contact with a >tank that had a profile view of the situation. There is no way she could >not have been seen by them in their elevated cabin. They knew where she >was, there is no doubt. > >The bulldozer drove toward Rachel slowly, gathering earth in its scoop >as it went. She knelt there, she did not move. The bulldozer reached her >and she began to stand up, climbing onto the mound of earth. She >appeared to be looking into the cockpit. The bulldozer continued to push >Rachel, so she slipped down the mound of earth, turning as she went. Her >faced showed she was panicking and it was clear she was in danger of >being overwhelmed. All the activists were screaming at the bulldozer to >stop and gesturing to the crew about Rachel's presence. We were in clear >view as Rachel had been, they continued. They pushed Rachel, first >beneath the scoop, then beneath the blade, then continued till her body >was beneath the cockpit. They waited over her for a few seconds, before >reversing. They reversed with the blade pressed down, so it scraped over >her body a second time. Every second I believed they would stop but they >never did. > >I ran for an ambulance, she was gasping and her face was covered in >blood from a gash cutting her face from lip to cheek. She was showing >signs of brain hemorrhaging. She died in the ambulance a few minutes >later of massive internal injuries. She was a brilliant, bright and >amazing person, immensely brave and committed. She is gone and I cannot >believe it. > >The group here in Rafah has decided that we will stay here and continue >to oppose human rights abuses as best we can. > >Please: forward this message. >Boycott caterpillar >Take direct action against the Caterpillar Corporation - please do not >let this be without cost to them. > >Legally, i shouldn't ask you to do anything destructive or against the >law. > >If you're wandering about Rachel: her writings, photos of her and >statements on her death are available on the below website. More photos: >go to yahoo news section, search for photos by 'rachel'. > >If you're wandering about the International Solidarity Movement: >www.palsolidarity.org > >If you're wandering about the bulldozers: They're American, Caterpillar >made armoured D9 Bulldozers. I estimate the blade is maybe 8 ft high, 15 >ft wide and more than 9 tons. They're purchased from America using the >$12billion per annum military aid package that America gives to Israel. >For a report on their previous usage: go to >http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/kurdi_eng.html (well worth reading - >especially if you didn't believe anyone would be crazy enough to do >this). > >If you're wandering about Rafah: in the southern Gaza strip, next to the >Egyptian border. Apart from suffering in excess from the problems all >over Palestine: Israeli manipulation of the water supply, economic >strangulation, regular shootings and army operations, Rafah is afflicted >by the building of an extra border wall. It has caused hundreds of homes >to be destroyed. The house in question, that of a doctor, like dozens of >others in the area is not set to be demolished because of any supposed >link to militants. Only because it lies within 100 metres of the new >border wall, currently in construction. Families receive no compensation >from Israel, and are frequently given just a few minutes warning in the >form of live ammunition being shot through the walls of their house. > >tom _____________________________________________________ "But by a timely mixture of ignorance, thoughtlessness, forgetfulness of evil, hope of good, and a dash of delight, I bring relief from troubles...." --Desiderius Erasmus, The Praise of Folly Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:31:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: The Making of Americans In-Reply-To: <00e701c2ed3a$fab70660$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Scott, A very brave and poignant moment. If you haven't been home recently, my Canadian friends (as will the people on this list) tell me that they are adamantly NOT semi-Americans, that Canada (as well as Mexico) is not joining the Empire's war, and you should tell your students that again and again. The Empire's view of the world is being redesigned, and Canada belongs with those other strange places like Germany and France. Likewise, people in the US are not the maniacs that Bush makes them out to be. They are being brainwashed and railroaded, and more and more are speaking out -- even though Ashcroft's hand will be upon us soon. Hilton Obenzinger At 05:41 AM 3/18/2003 -0500, Scott Pound wrote: >18.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey > >There's a lot of talk here, as there is everywhere, about what Americans >are made of. How much manifest stupidity and malice can there be in a >nation's will to violence? I keep telling my students to be as exacting in >their denunciations of the actions of the Bush administration as they are >in their affections for American films and music. > >As a Canadian teaching American culture and literature in Turkey, I feel >strangely caught in the middle. My students see me as quasi-American and >as an ersatz spokesperson for American values. What could be more >ridiculous than that? And yet, here I am, teaching American culture to >students who, most of them anyway, love and hate America in almost equal >measure. That I can understand. > >All of the missile launchers have left the Mediterranean and have passed >through the Suez canal bound for the Red Sea where they can send their >weapons without having to violate Turkish airspace. No doubt the dozens of >cargo ships loaded with jeeps and tanks and artillery will turn tail soon, >if they haven't already. > >Euan, who was born three months before we came here, is learning to walk. >We are mobbed by incredibly affectionate well-wishers whenever we step out >in public. His blue eyes. > >My former student Levent wrote to me recently to say that he wouldn't be >able to drop by for a long time. He was passed over by the military. >Instead he will join a Turkish company and work as a guide and translator >for American soldiers in Diyabikir, near the Iraq border. As all Turks do, >he asked me to kiss the baby for him and give his best wishes to my wife. > >All this recent protracted talk about the Americans hit a high pitch >around the time that the Turkish parlaiment voted down the government's >resolution to allow the US to use Turkish air bases in the eastern part of >the country. It also coincided with the section of my American Poetry >class on counter-cultural modernism (a designation I use to characterize >works that turn from literature and attempt to interpellate techniques and >strategies from other media and other art practices (cubism, oral >performance, documentary, etc.). I thought the subject and the times >called for something different so I read from The Making of Americans for >45 minutes. I have been reading The Making of Americans to Euan since >before he was born. I was also thinking, when I came up with this crazy >idea, of Stein's descriptions of American soldiers in France during the >wars she lived through. > >I began to read, moving the text closer and closer to my face in order to >bear down on the syntax and maintain the rhythm. I wanted my students to >HEAR Stein. I thought that if they just sat there and listened they would >break through their resistence to it. I have been moved to the brink of >tears by reading The Making of Americans. If my students could get the >rhythm they might slide into a groove and go with that. That that mightnot >happen hadn't occurred to me. > >At first I felt stupid and manipulative for doing this, but I hadn't >prepared anything else so I had to go on. Eventually, I worked myself into >a mythic kind of dry-mouthed trance, swaying back and forth, sucking the >words off the page and setting them down in the ether in front of me. They >seemed to hang there a moment before vanishing. I had tunneled into the >text and there was no need to look up. Something like the "perpetual >present," which I had always thought of as bollocks, "came athwart me", as >Wordsworth says. There was no there there. > >When I stopped, the stupid feeling returned to me. Some of my students >were clearly also in a trance, others sat with their arms crossed, others, >I realized, had spent the time text-messaging their friends. The students >who felt like talking said it sucked, that they hated all that repetition, >it irritated them. > >I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding >myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response >from one of my students. > The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. > Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind and > deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over and > over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration against > disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The Making of > Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on hearing. Within > a short time of period, while listening to it I am evoked by the sound > and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am sure if there were no > paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. While reading it, I > received deliverance, because the flow of the language activated Asmita. > If you ask me what I got from the novel(?), I cannot give you a summary, > but if you ask me what I got from it, I can say that my mind was set free > from material inclinations. >"Onward!" as Creeley says. > > >"The mother tongue is propaganda" > --Marshall McLuhan (1965) > >Scott Pound >Assistant Professor >Department of American Culture and Literature >Bilkent University >TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara >TURKEY > >+90 (312) 290 3115 (office) >+90 (312) 290 2791 (home) >+90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) > >pounds@bilkent.edu.tr >http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:43:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Mark Weiss... In-Reply-To: <3261280.1047994525467.JavaMail.nobody@wamui02.slb.atl.eart hlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I know silverfish. NBot silverfish, nothing like. Termite. Mark At 09:20 AM 3/18/2003 -0500, you wrote: >has >silverfish > >lepisma >saccharina.. > >wingless insects >2 long slender antennae > >flat carrot-shaped body >scaled > >taper down to 3 >long bristles > >silver scales >shine metal sheen > >lv the >silverfish > >after you >kill 'em... > > > >drn >drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 08:54:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Reminder: C21Poetics hosts Kevin Davies and Judith Goldman, 3/20. Please announce and distribute Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Twenty-First-Century Poetics Working Group is happy to host Kevin Davies and Judith Goldman Thursday, March 20 6:30 pm sharp potluck; 8 pm readings by the poets & open discussion of contemporary poetics 900 Bancroft Way at 7th St. in Berkeley (close to the University exit off of Route 80) Free & open to the public; combative spirits & non-war hailed; bring foes & friends. Kevin Davies was born and raised on Vancouver Island. In the 1980s, he was active as a member of the Kootenay School of Writing collective. Since 1992, he has lived in New York City, where he works as a composition instructor and proofreader. His books include Pause Button (Vancouver: Tsunami Editions, 1992) and Comp. (Washington: Edge, 2000), the first two panels of his Trilogy of Error, which will perhaps be completed by his work-in-progress The Golden Age of Paraphernalia. Judith Goldman is author of adversities of outerlife (object editions, 1996) and Vocoder (Roof, 2001), which was chosen as a "book of the year" by Small Press Traffic. Her work has also appeared in object, aerial, shiny, primary writing, boo, arras, $lavery, onedit, how2, enough (O Books), and An Anthology of New (American) Poetry (Talisman). She is currently writing a dissertation on ethics, authority, and literary form in late eighteenth-century British contexts. A native Californian, she recently moved to the Bay Area having lived in NY for about a decade. Partially sponsored by the Townsend Center for the Humanities, the Consortium for the Arts, the UC Berkeley Department of English, and the East Bay Poetics and Motorcycle Club. All contributions in the form of food, drink, or clean-up will be wildly appreciated as well as needed. For directions, or to be added to our mailing list, please contact Julie Carr, Carrjuli@aol.com, or Jen Scappettone, jscape@socrates.berkeley.edu. For more information and the full year's schedule, please view our web page at http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry/c21p.htm & don't miss our upcoming events: Friday, April 18: Julie Patton, performance and book artist and author of Do Rag, on and on..., and Rodrigo Toscano, author of The Disparities, Partisans, and Platform. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:05:15 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: The Making of Americans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/03 6:42:44 AM, pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR writes: >I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding >myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response >from one of my students. > > The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. >Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind and >deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over and >over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration against >disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The Making of >Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on hearing. Within >a short time of period, while listening to it I am evoked by the sound >and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am sure if there were no >paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. While reading it, I received >deliverance, because the flow of the language activated Asmita. If you >ask me what I got from the novel(?), I cannot give you a summary, but if >you ask me what I got from it, I can say that my mind was set free from >material inclinations. I thought teaching is done for the sake of the students; its main purpose is not for its affects on the teacher. Maybe the students are responding to something that you are reluctant to see. It may make sense to listen to their reasons for resistance. Turkish poetry has a very sophisticated sense of repetition, ear for cadences. One other point, doesn't The Making of Americans have a race based system of human character? Is it possible that's also what they are responding to? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:09:06 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: The Making of Americans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/18/03 6:42:44 AM, pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR writes: >I felt like my experiment was a failure. I walked home mildly scolding >myself for winging it yet again. The next day I received this response >from one of my students. > > The Making of Americans: In class, repetition of words was criticized. >Respecting these ideas, I declare that I am against such a view. Mind and >deliverance, in other words mantra is a word which is repeated over and >over. Instead of fooling or mocking, it brings full concentration against >disruption, so in a way it eases identification. I think The Making of >Americans comes with many mantras. My views are based on hearing. Within >a short time of period, while listening to it I am evoked by the sound >and the repeated words help me to initiate. I am sure if there were no >paper sounds and laughs, I could easily meditate. While reading it, I received >deliverance, because the flow of the language activated Asmita. If you >ask me what I got from the novel(?), I cannot give you a summary, but if >you ask me what I got from it, I can say that my mind was set free from >material inclinations. I thought teaching is done for the sake of the students; its main purpose is not for its affects on the teacher. Maybe the students are responding to something that you are reluctant to see. It may make sense to listen to their reasons for resistance. Turkish poetry has a very sophisticated sense of repetition, ear for cadences. One other point, doesn't The Making of Americans develop a race based system of human character? Is it possible that's also what they are responding to? If I remember correctly, in one of your early posts you mentioned how little you knew of Turkish poetry? Has the knowledge increased? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:29:49 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: The Making of Americans In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murat Can you suggest some contemporary writers who are good examples of this? mIEKAL On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Turkish poetry has a very sophisticated sense of > repetition, ear for cadences. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:22:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Bromige & Grenier at SPT this Friday 3/21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic presents March 21, 2003 at 7:30 PM David Bromige & Robert Grenier David Bromige is the author of over thirty-five volumes of poetry, fiction, and song published since 1965. In 1988 his selected poems, Desire (Black Sparrow Press) won the Western States Book Award. Other books include Tiny Courts in a world without scales (Brick Books, 1991), The Harbormaster of Hong Kong (Sun & Moon, 1993) and A Cast of Tens (Avec, 1994). He is currently Poet Laureate of Sonoma County, where he has lived for 30 years. Bromige's most recent book is As in T As in Tether, issued last year by Chax Press. "A serious poet, after all these years of seeming fun!" -- Robert Grenier. Robert Grenier?s eleven books of poetry include Oakland (Tuumba Press, 1980), A Day at the Beach (Roof, 1984), Phantom Anthems (O Books, 1986), and OWL/ON/BOU/GH (Post-Apollo Press, 1997). Grenier?s recent "books" have been folios of haiku-like inscriptions or transcriptions. Examples of his current holograph poems can be seen at thing.net/~grist/l&d/lighthom.htm. As Grenier puts it, "that materiality?s ?relation to?/invocation of/?invention? and attempted embodiment /?clarification? of ?other matters?." Join us as he reads and shows slides of his recent poems. $5; free to SPT members, CCAC community, youth under 18. Timken Lecture Hall, CCAC SF Campus 1111-8th Street (near the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) For directions and map please see our website at http://www.sptraffic.org/html/fac_dir Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCAC 1111 - 8th Street San Francisco, California 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org 415-551-9278 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:41:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CE Putnam Subject: Nobody should go to HIS funeral In-Reply-To: <388B8FB8-5967-11D7-B3A3-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nobody should go to HIS funeral You want to be a Bible epic? Pulling out $300, or honestly how do the people/bunnies know they are in a sanctuary/war-zone? How to give speech depth and quality. I crushed it to a powder, my feverish atmosphere of dread. It became my line of sand. A self-portrait drawn then snorted up off of the last blue orange the fire-storm smoked us through his firey holes of skin. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:46:44 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Lies To A Grateful Nation Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press 48 Hours: When's the Car Chase? Bush Lies To A Grateful Nation: The Future of Two Countries Now Lies In A Vast Pool Of Oil And Blood. By DOVIE BOINK The Assassinated Press 03/17/2003 11:00:00 PM They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:58:43 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Hinton Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 16 Mar 2003 to 17 Mar 2003 (#2003-7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WRITING AGAINST THE WAR Poetry Reading Presented by faculty and students at The City College of New York MONDAY, MARCH 24, 8 p.m. Cafe Largo 3387 Broadway between 137th and 138th St. New York City OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:37:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Karl Kraus quote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "How is the world ruled and led to war? Diplomats lie to journalists and believe these lies when they see them in print." --Karl Kraus, 1874-1936 http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:43:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Placebo Air Force Strikes Washington Comments: cc: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Placebo Air Force Strikes Washington (Gothic News Service, 03/18/03) In a daring artistic move, this morning - flying in wing-formation - five Piper Clubs penetrated Washington Air Spac= e and methodically dropped five Placebo Mushroom Bomb Clouds over different parts of the Capitol. Each cloud=B9s rainbow of colors corresponded to thos= e for Homeland Security=B9s National "threat conditions" - green, blue, orange= , yellow and red. At seven o=B9clock, the first cloud dropped over Capitol Dome =AD itself neatly lit by the rising sun =AD three more came down the course o= f the Mall, and the last one, dropped precisely between the Washington Monument and the White House. Washington commuters were clearly astonished by the brief site of the beautifully shaped clouds, "It was both eerie and, I am afraid to say, what we used to call =8Cabsolutely Psychedelic=B9," said one driver. "It was as if the City was receiving a beautiful gift from the skies. At the same time, anyone of us had to wonder about an actual atomic bomb dropping on this Cit= y or any other." Several commuters reported seeing the word "No" printed in lavender letters under both sides of the Piper=B9s wingspan. Ironically the planes disappeared before Washington=B9s Air Alert Warning System could be aroused. In a phone message to the Press, a person identifying as a member of "The Placebo Airforce" claimed responsibility fo= r the morning action. He described the Airforce as a group of aerial artists who work with the air as their primary medium. The apparently militant pacifist organization is dedicated to creative and provocative politically oriented actions. "The placebo mushroom bombs are met to do everything they can to put Washington on Alert. With North Korea, they must immediately negotiate a new nuclear non-proliferation treaty, one that will stick. If that does not happen, we're up for an international radioactive inferno. If that should happen - God forbid - wherever you are on the planet, beware th= e winds." The Placebo Air Force would not say when they plan to perform their next action or in what City. White House spokespersons =AD when queried =AD would no= t publicly respond to this morning=B9s attack. "It=B9s a shame," one said, "That when we are about to invade and own Iraq that some of our citizens feel fre= e to violate Capitol Security and Flight zones. When all of our nation=B9s attention should be on the support of the Troops, this is a pathetic diversion of the attention of the Public, and most importantly, the President. The public should not worry. Korea will come up soon enough." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:41:11 -0800 Reply-To: mecr@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mecr Subject: URGENTLY SEEKING Susan Howe's "Federalist 10" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having a lot of trouble getting hold of Susan Howe's long poem "Federalist 10," published in _Abacus_ No. 30, November 15, 1987. 16pp. If anyone owns or has access to back issues of _Abacus_ I would be grateful. I'm happy to send you postage and the cost of photocopying this work. Alternatively, let me if you know where I could buy or borrow this back issue. Pls. backchannel. Maria Elena %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Maria Elena Caballero-Robb Literature Department University of California, Santa Cruz Santa Cruz, California 95064 mecr@ucsc.edu %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:23:58 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--douceur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII douceur (doo-SUHR) noun A tip or bribe. [From French douceur (sweetness), from Late Latin dulcor (sweetness), from Latin dulcis (sweet).] What does dulcimer (a musical instrument), billet-doux (love letter), dolce (music direction) have in common with today's word? All derive from the same Latin root and involve the idea of sweetness. "But even the most jaundiced observers have been astonished by the discovery of a slush fund of some pounds 40 million from which the douceur to (Charles) Haughey was ladled." Kevin Myers, Ireland's Shame: The Prime Minister and the Tycoon, The Sunday Telegraph (London), Jul 13, 1997. "It became impossible for civilized people, particularly if they were Jewish, to participate in political culture. Instead, they interested themselves in the marvelously available circumstances of douceur: making money, performing or sponsoring art, and - like the Herzls or the Wittgensteins - encouraging their children to become geniuses." Nicholas Fraser, Deja vu, Harper's Magazine (New York), Dec 1995. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND KnowledgeNews, the weekly email magazine for people who never stop learning. Get a free trial subscription now at http://knowledgenews.net/awadsub.htm ............................................................................ He alone may chastise who loves. -Rabindranath Tagore, poet, philosopher, author, songwriter, painter, educator, composer, Nobel laureate (1861-1941) AWAD on your Website: http://wordsmith.org/awad/add.html Gift subscription: http://wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html Bulletin board: http://wordsmith.org/board AWAD archives: http://wordsmith.org/awad/archives.html Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/douceur.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/douceur.ram ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:44:56 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: The Making of Americans (+QUESTIONS OF ACCENT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "What is the word Oklahoma after all, but the imprint of the Native American, the victim, the invaded in the language of the master. American English: the language which embodies that peculiar combination, victim and victor possessing the same language, yoked together by fate. Using American English as a poet is the outsider, the victim, embracing, emulating the language of the master, being constantly beset by the ambiguities of power." --Murat Nemet-Nejat it's a nice coincidence to be quoting a Turkish-American poet in reference to Scott's post as a Canadian in Turkey teaching American language & culture. the above quote is from Nemet-Nejat's fascinating essay QUESTIONS OF ACCENT published by Andrei Codrescu's EXQUISITE CORPSE before it went online. i don't know whether or not all 15 sections of this piece exist online, but it is included in the CORPSE anthology THUS SPAKE THE CORPSE v.1 in many ways i like to think of Ireland's people with the quote above. in comparison with the Native Americans by the way, not American immigrants (the rest of us). but to feel and think about such matters with a sort of deep-fried personal, instead of simply taking such words as statements to agree or disagree with, seems valuable here. make this into questions about our lives, each of our lives, fitting our bodies and voices in there. what do you think and/or feel? Murat Nemet-Nejat continues: "What makes this poetry different from others, from French, from English? Here lies its radical ambiguity: American English, as a poetic language, is not a mother tongue in the usual sense but a pseudo-mother, step-mother tongue. It can have no tradition, its vocabulary not public or mythical, only personal, private resonances. It is the language of pervasive power, without resonance, of authority in which the immigrant, the victim must speak. Writing poetry in American English is a continuous act of translating from a radical inside or from a radical beyond." something else very interesting said by Mytili Jagannathan recently in response to question #7 of the 9for9 project http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ : "My strange experience of racial identity/consciousness is also strongly shaped by the West Virginia context. The state is something like 97% white. I have repeated vivid childhood experiences of explaining that I was "Indian," and being greeted with racist miming gestures/ "war cries" that enacted TV stereotypes of Native Americans. "Not that kind of Indian," I would say. But almost no one, not even adults, in my early childhood world even knew that India was a country. (That began to change after the movie _Gandhi_, which came out when I was in 3rd grade). Now I see that those moments of "mistaken identity" forced open a different trajectory of connection and solidarity for me." --Mytili Jagannathan In a message dated 03/18/2003 5:42:44 AM, pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR writes: << 18.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey There's a lot of talk here, as there is everywhere, about what Americans are made of. How much manifest stupidity and malice can there be in a nation's will to violence? I keep telling my students to be as exacting in their denunciations of the actions of the Bush administration as they are in their affections for American films and music. As a Canadian teaching American culture and literature in Turkey, I feel strangely caught in the middle. My students see me as quasi-American and as an ersatz spokesperson for American values. What could be more ridiculous than that? And yet, here I am, teaching American culture to students who, most of them anyway, love and hate America in almost equal measure. That I can understand. All of the missile launchers have left the Mediterranean and have passed through the Suez canal bound for the Red Sea where they can send their weapons without having to violate Turkish airspace. No doubt the dozens of cargo ships loaded with jeeps and tanks and artillery will turn tail soon, if they haven't already. >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:50:25 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM |e| |d| |m|\|o| |d| |e| |m| |c| |o||c||r|\|a|\|c||y||demo| |cracy| | |d| peace behind bars JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:50:56 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Journalism Endangered In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Gabe, Jane, Pierre, Mairead, Toni - Remember that silly guy from the AWP panel calling me a liar when I suggested that journalists were prevented or endangered in various ways (including threats of violence in some cases) from covering war? Here's yet another article from a journalist referring to the impediments to journalism faced by people covering American military action. You can add this to your collection, Gabe. Catching the highway of death just before the US Army "graves detail" swept through to hide the bodies in mass graves.... Ahh, the price of Freedom(TM). And some stunning photos from the first Gulf War. Thanks to Linh Dinh for pointing this out. http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_intro.html Patrick ************************ The Unseen Gulf War BY Peter Turnley December 2002 Dirck- As we approach the likelihood of a new Gulf War, I have an idea and it occurs to me that the Digital Journalist may be the place for it. As we all know, the military pool system created then was meant to be, and was, a major impediment for photojournalists in their quest to communicate the realities of war (This fact does not diminish the great efforts, courage, and many important images created by many of my colleagues who participated in these pools.). Aside from that, while you would have a very difficult time finding an editor of an American publication today that wouldn't condemn this pool system and its restrictions during the Gulf War, most publications and television entities more or less bought the program before the war began (this reality has been far less discussed than the critiques of the pools themselves). I refused to participate in the pool system. I was in the Gulf for many weeks as the build-up of troops took place, and then sat out the "air war", and flew from Paris to Riyadh as soon as the ground war began. I arrived at the "mile of death" the morning the day the war stopped. It was very early in the morning and few other journalists were present. When I arrived at the scene of this incredible carnage, strewn all over on this mile stretch were cars and trucks with wheels still turning, radios still playing, and there were bodies scattered along the road. Many people have asked the question "how many people died" during the war with Iraq and the question has never been well answered. That first morning, I saw and photographed a U.S. Military 'graves detail' bury in large graves many bodies. I don't recall seeing many television images of the human consequences of this scene, or for that matter many photographs published. A day later, I came across another scene on an obscure road further north and to the east where, in the middle of the desert, I found a convoy of lorries transporting Iraqi soldiers back to Baghdad, where clearly massive fire power had been dropped and everyone in sight had been carbonized. Most of the photographs I made of this scene have never been published anywhere and this has always troubled me. As we approach the distinct possibility of another war, a thought comes to mind. The photographs that I made do not, in themselves, represent any personal political judgment or point of view with respect to the politics and the right or wrong of the first Gulf War. What they do represent is a part of a more accurate picture of what really does happen in war. I feel it is important and that citizens have the right to see these images. This is not to communicate my point of view, but so viewers as citizens can be offered a better opportunity to consider the whole picture and consequences of that war and any war. I feel that it is part of my role as a photojournalist to offer the viewer the opportunity to draw from as much information as possible, and develop his or her own judgment. This past war and any one looming, have often been treated as something akin to a 'Nintendo game'. This view conveniently obscures the vivid and often grotesque realities apparent to those directly involved in war. As a witness to the results of this past Gulf War, this televised, aerial, and technological version of the conflict is not what I saw and I'd like to present some images that I made that represent a more complete picture of what this conflict looked like. War is at best a necessary evil, and I am certain that anyone that feels differently has never experienced or been in it. I have always hoped that true images of conflict give one the opportunity to witness and reflect more fully on the full realities of war. After covering many conflicts around the world in past 20 years and witnessing much human suffering, I feel a responsibility to try to contribute to making sure with my images that no one that sees the brutal realities of conflict, ever feels that war is comfortable and/or convenient. I would like to propose that we discuss a portfolio of these difficult images now, as a future war in Iraq grows more likely every passing day. I look forward to hearing from you. My best. Peter Turnley C Peter Turnley peterturnley@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:53:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Language Poetry Haiku: Do They Exist? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030208232340.02b3a910@pop.bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm in the process of writing an essay intended to cover the range of haiku being composed in the US, and suddenly realized I had no haiku (or haiku-sized poems) representing what I call the sprungrammar order of poetry--but which most people would regard as the language poetry school. I've considered using a Tender Button, but find them surrealistic rather than grammatically unconventional. "The sudden spoon is the wound in the decision," for instance, is perfectly grammatical, but with "idiological" adjectives and nouns spliced in. For it to be sprungrammar, it'd have to be "sudden The is spoon the wound in the, decision" or the like, it seems to me. Or "the suddenly spoon are she wound the decision in." Can anyone quote a few haiku or haiku-sized poems that most people would consider examples of language poetry? I would much appreciate seeing a few. Here's the full Stein passage, by the way: MALACHITE The sudden spoon is the same in no size. The sudden spoon is the wound in the decision. --Bob G. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:03:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. 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From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) March 18, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000345.html#000345 Thu-20 March NYC Baghdad Snapshot Action Dear friends in New York & Everywhere, This Thursday 20 March at 9pm will be our second action! We hope that other crews in cities & towns in the US & around the World will poster on the same evening, acting in global solidarity as we continue to give people the opportunity to look into the faces of the citizens of Baghdad. If you are interested in participating — PLEASE send us an email on Wednesday night about where we are meeting for this Thursday action: newyork2baghdad@riseup.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:31:09 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Primary Trouble: An Anthology of Contemporary American Poetry (1996), a review Comments: To: Heriberto Yepez , "Ubuweb@Yahoogroups.Com" , British Poetry List , Ron Silliman , Kasey Mohammad , Gary Sullivan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New on my blog -- and old unpublished piece -- perhaps just a distraction from all the vomiting we will all be doing in the next couple of days: http://www.arras.net/weblog/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:46:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics 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##################################### ##################### ################################# ############### ############################# ######### ######################## ################ === ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:12:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Journalism Endangered Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks for this, Patrick. The photographs are goddamned horrifying. And thanks again to Mairead Byrne and Kazim Ali for arranging and setting up the panel. I sent 2 articles via email to one of the conservative white men who challenged your assertion, Patrick, that the US military would restrict press freedoms. One article concerned press suppression in Gulf War 1 and the second, which I paste below, concerns press suppression in what is now, I suppose, called Gulf War 2. Text below. (ps, just as a side note, the firefighter-looking guy who challenged you, Patrick, is a right-wingy white person who teaches creative nonfiction at UNC Wilmington (near you, right?) and has authored such hits as _Secret Soldiers_ and _Desert Kill_.) PENTAGON THREATENS TO KILL INDEPENDENT REPORTERS IN IRAQ 10th March, 2003 by Fintan Dunne, Editor http://www.GuluFuture.com The Pentagon has threatened to fire on the satellite uplink positions of independent journalists in Iraq, according to veteran BBC war correspondent, Kate Adie. In an interview with Irish radio, Ms. Adie said that questioned about the consequences of such potentially fatal actions, a senior Pentagon officer had said: "Who cares.. ..They've been warned." According to Ms. Adie, who twelve years ago covered the last Gulf War, the Pentagon attitude is: "entirely hostile to the the free spread of information." "I am enormously pessimistic of the chance of decent on-the-spot reporting, as the war occurs," she told Irish national broadcaster, Tom McGurk on the RTE1 Radio "Sunday Show." Ms. Adie made the startling revelations during a discussion of media freedom issues in the likely upcoming war in Iraq. She also warned that the Pentagon is vetting journalists according to their stance on the war, and intends to take control of US journalists' satellite equipment --in order to control access to the airwaves. Another guest on the show, war author Phillip Knightley, reported that the Pentagon has also threatened they: "may find it necessary to bomb areas in which war correspondents are attempting to report from the Iraqi side." Transcript follows below. Audio of this very frank discussion of the problems facing reporters in Iraq. Guests: Kate Adie, BBC; Phillip Knightley, author of The First Casualty, a history of war correspondents and propaganda; Chris Hedges, award winning human rights journalist, and former Irish Times Editor Connor Brady on the Sunday Show, RTE Radio1 9th March, 2003. Listen K. Adie Realplayer 3 mins Listen full Gulf media freedom segment Audio 26 minutes[ Realplayer] Links valid until 16 March DOWNLOAD ENTIRE SHOW HERE Tom McGurk: " Now, Kate Adie, you join us from the BBC in London. Thank you very much for going to all this trouble on a Sunday morning to come and join us. I suppose you are watching with a mixture of emotions this war beginning to happen, because you are not going to be covering it." Kate Adie: " Oh I will be. And what actually appalls me is the difference between twelve years ago and now. I've seen a complete erosion of any kind of acknowledgment that reporters should be able to report as they witness." " The Americans... and I've been talking to the Pentagon ...take the attitude which is entirely hostile to the free spread of information." " I was told by a senior officer in the Pentagon, that if uplinks --that is the television signals out of... Bhagdad, for example-- were detected by any planes ...electronic media... mediums, of the military above Bhagdad... they'd be fired down on. Even if they were journalists ..' Who cares! ' said.. [inaudible] .." Tom McGurk:"...Kate ...sorry Kate ..just to underline that. Sorry to interrupt you. Just to explain for our listeners. Uplinks is where you have your own satellite telephone method of distributing information." Kate Adie:" The telephones and the television signals." Tom McGurk:" And they would be fired on? " Kate Adie:" Yes. They would be 'targeted down,' said the officer." Tom McGurk:" Extraordinary ! " Listen full Gulf Media Freedom segment Audio 26 minutes[ Realplayer] Links valid until 16 March Kate Adie: " Shameless! " " He said.. ' Well... they know this ... they've been warned.' " " This is threatening freedom of information, before you even get to a war." "The second thing is there was a massive news blackout imposed." "In the last Gulf war, where I was one of the pool correspondents with the British Army. We effectively had very, very light touch when it came to any kind of censorship." " We were told that anything which was going to endanger troops lives which we understood we shouldn't broadcast. But other than that, we were relatively free." " Unlike our American colleagues, who immediately left their pool, after about 48 hours, having just had enough of it." " And this time the Americans are: a) Asking journalists who go with them, whether they are... have feelings against the war. And therefore if you have views that are skeptical, then you are not to be acceptable." " Secondly, they are intending to take control of the Americans technical equipment ...those uplinks and satellite phones I was talking about. And control access to the airwaves." " And then on top of everything else, there is now a blackout (which was imposed, during the last war, at the beginning of the war), ...ordered by one Mr. Dick Cheney, who is in charge of this." " I am enormously pessimistic of the chance of decent on-the-spot reporting, as the war occurs. You will get it later." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:18:25 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: more on war & journalism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/1996.Nov/0058.html ________________________________________________________________ C I A & "P E R C E P T I O N M A N A G E M E N T" _________________________________________________________________ Editor's Note: I'd like to thank Robert Parry, editor and publisher of the Consortium, for permission to post his important piece on CIA domestic operations to aid the contras. Due to widespread opposition to Reagan administration Central American policies during the 1980s, the CIA launched an illegal series of psychological operations aimed at the American people in order to wage war "by other means." If recent CIA history is an indication of current trends, from Haiti to Colombia, from Turkey to streets of South Central and beyond, disinformation and lies are the staple of "consensus builders" and "perception managers" intent on preserving the U.S. global empire. ----- http://www.delve.com/consort/archive/consort1.html ----- THE CONSORTIUM For Independent Journalism ** Volume 2, No. 1 * December 9, 1996 ** LOST HISTORY: _________________________________________________________________ CIA & "PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT" _________________________________________________________________ By Robert Parry WASHINGTON -- William J. Casey was a quick study, always looking for an edge whether in business or in the ideological struggles that consumed the last years of his life. So in early August 1983, the balding CIA director hunched over a desk at the old Executive Office Building and scribbled down notes from five public relations experts who were brainstorming how to sell Ronald Reagan's Central American policies to the American people. Earlier that day, a national security aide had warmed the P.R. men to their task with dire predictions that leftist governments would send waves of refugees into the United States and cynically flood America with drugs. The P.R. executives jotted down some thoughts over lunch and then pitched their ideas to the CIA director in the afternoon. "Casey was kind of spearheading a recommendation" for better public relations for Reagan's Central America policies, recalled William I. Greener Jr., one of the ad men. Two top proposals arising from the meeting were for a high-powered communications operation inside the White House and private money for an outreach program to build support for U.S. intervention. The ideas from that session and other meetings held during the Reagan administration's first years still resonate today. Through the mid-1980s, Casey's domestic propaganda campaign would descend into scandal-generation and disinformation against opponents, tactics that are now generic to American politics. But few Americans know about Casey's "public diplomacy" apparatus which refined this approach in the 1980s -- or that the operation was overseen by CIA propagandists and military psychological warfare experts steeped in an Orwellian concept called "perception management." Scores of documents about this operation poured out during the Iran-contra scandal. The documents made clear that the driving force behind these aggressive P.R. tactics was Casey, the World War II spymaster who understood the power of information and the value of deception. But the documents received little attention in the mainstream press. As the Washington media grew bored with the Iran-contra story, articles focused on the celebrity of Lt. Col. Oliver North and narrow questions, such as who authorized a diversion of Iran arms sales profits to the Nicaraguan contra rebels. Yet, the "public diplomacy" campaign was a dramatic tale, too. It was the story of how the top level of the CIA had circumvented law and manipulated U.S. public opinion in support of CIA covert operations in Central America. Although the CIA is legally barred from influencing domestic politics, no one was held accountable for the apparent violations of law. At the start of the Reagan administration, Casey's challenge had seemed daunting. The administration saw Sandinista-ruled Nicaragua as another Cuba and Daniel Ortega as another Castro. But in late 1980, the American people saw El Salvador's right- wing military engaged in a bloodbath against leftist political opponents. To make matters worse, Salvadoran soldiers even raped and murdered four American churchwomen. The public also retained fears of "another Vietnam." So, Reagan's initial strategy of bolstering the Salvadoran army required defusing the negative publicity and somehow rallying the American people to the anti-communist cause. As deputy assistant secretary to the Air Force, J. Michael Kelly, put it, "the most critical special operations mission we have ... is to persuade the American people that the communists are out to get us." HOUNDING THE PRESS At the same time, the White House worked to weed out American reporters who uncovered facts that undercut the desired images. As part of that effort, the administration attacked New York Times correspondent Raymond Bonner for disclosing the massacre of about 800 men, women and children in the village of El Mozote in northeast El Salvador in December 1981. Accuracy in Media and conservative news organizations, such as The Wall Street Journal's editorial page, joined in pummeling Bonner, who was soon ousted from his job. The administration also made sure to reward its friends. According to one National Security Council memo dated May 20, 1983, U.S. Information Agency director Charles Wick brought private donors to the White House situation room for a fund- raiser which collected $400,000 for AIM and a few other pro- Reagan groups. By then, "public diplomacy" was becoming Casey's new code word for influencing the opinions of the American people as well citizens of foreign countries. "The overall purpose" behind Casey's initiative "would be to sell a 'new product' -- Central America -- by generating interest across-the-spectrum," another NSC document stated. A "public diplomacy strategy paper," dated May 5, 1983, summed up the problem. "As far as our Central American policy is concerned, the press perceives that: the USG [U.S. government] is placing too much emphasis on a military solution, as well as being allied with inept, right-wing governments and groups. ... The focus on Nicaragua [is] on the alleged U.S.-backed 'covert' war against the Sandinistas. Moreover, the opposition ... is widely perceived as being led by former Somozistas." The administration's difficulty with most of these press perceptions was that they were correct. But the strategy paper recommended ways to influence various groups of Americans to "correct" the impressions anyway, what another planning document would call "perceptional obstacles." "Themes will obviously have to be tailored to the target audience," the strategy paper said. So, with Casey personally consulting experts, a "public diplomacy" apparatus took shape to carry out this "perception management." The operation was based in the NSC and was directed by Walter Raymond Jr., the CIA's top propaganda expert until transferring to the NSC in 1982. A LE CARRE SPY Raymond, a 30-year veteran of CIA clandestine services, was a slight, soft-spoken New Yorker who reminded some of a character from a John le Carre spy novel, an intelligence officer who "easily fades into the woodwork," according to one acquaintance. Raymond formally resigned from the CIA in April 1983 so, he said, "there would be no question whatsoever of any contamination of this." But from the beginning, Raymond fretted about the legality of Casey's involvement. Raymond confided in one memo that it was important "to get [Casey] out of the loop," but Casey never backed off and Raymond continued to send progress reports to his old boss well into 1986. It was "the kind of thing which [Casey] had a broad catholic interest in," Raymond shrugged during his Iran-contra deposition. He then offered the excuse that Casey undertook this apparently illegal interference in domestic politics "not so much in his CIA hat, but in his adviser to the president hat." Raymond also understood that the administration's hand in the P.R. projects must stay hidden, because of other legal bans on executive-branch propaganda. "The work down within the administration has to, by definition, be at arms length," Raymond noted in an Aug. 29, 1983, memo. Repeatedly, Raymond lectured his subordinates on the chief goal of the operation: "in the specific case of Nica[ragua], concentrate on gluing black hats on the Sandinistas and white hats on UNO [the contras' United Nicaraguan Opposition]." There was no space for the fact that both sides wore gray hats. So Reagan's speechwriters dutifully penned descriptions of Sandinista-ruled Nicaragua as a "totalitarian dungeon" and the contras as the "moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers." As one NSC official told me, the campaign was modeled after CIA covert operations abroad where a political goal is more important than the truth. "They were trying to manipulate [U.S.] public opinion ... using the tools of Walt Raymond's trade craft which he learned from his career in the CIA covert operation shop," the official admitted. Another administration official gave a similar description to The Miami Herald's Alfonso Chardy. "If you look at it as a whole, the Office of Public Diplomacy was carrying out a huge psychological operation, the kind the military conduct to influence the population in denied or enemy territory," that official explained. NO QUARTER The operation's most visible arm was a new office at the State Department called the Office of Public Diplomacy. It was headed by Cuban exile Otto Reich, whose job included selecting "hot buttons" that would anger Americans about the Sandinistas. He also browbeat correspondents who produced stories that conflicted with the administration's "themes." Reich once bragged that his office "did not give the critics of the policy any quarter in the debate." Another part of the office's job was to plant "white propaganda" in the news media through op-eds secretly financed by the government. In one memo, Jonathan Miller, a senior public diplomacy official, informed White House aide Patrick Buchanan about success placing an anti-Sandinista piece in The Wall Street Journal's friendly pages. "Officially, this office had no role in its preparation," Miller wrote. Other times, the administration put out "black propaganda," outright falsehoods. In 1983, one such theme was designed to anger American Jews by portraying the Sandinistas as anti-Semitic because much of Nicaragua's small Jewish community fled after the revolution in 1979. However, the U.S. embassy in Managua investigated the charges and "found no verifiable ground on which to accuse the GRN [the Sandinista government] of anti-Semitism," according to a July 28, 1983, cable. But the administration kept the cable secret and pushed the "hot button" anyway. The administration's public diplomacy also followed up on one idea heard by the P.R. men who met with Casey in August 1983 -- to promote the theme that leftist governments would ship narcotics to the United States. The obstacle to that argument, however, was that the Drug Enforcement Administration knew of no drugs which had transited Nicaragua since the Sandinistas took power. The reason was simple: it made little sense for traffickers to smuggle drugs through a country with almost no trade with the United States while the CIA was monitoring all planes leaving Nicaraguan air space. The Reagan administration solved that P.R. problem by arranging a "sting" operation overseen by Oliver North and the CIA. In 1984, convicted narcotics trafficker Barry Seal, who was cooperating with the DEA, arranged for a plane to fly a load of cocaine into Nicaragua. But the plane was shot down by Sandinista air defenses. Seal then flew in a second plane, a C-123 transport. He snapped some grainy photos of men, supposedly Nicaraguans and Colombians, loading bales of cocaine onto the plane. Seal then flew the load back to the United States where the story was leaked to The Washington Times and quickly spread onto front pages across America. The desired image was achieved. POISONING AMERICA'S YOUTH In a TV address, President Reagan then accused top Sandinistas of "exporting drugs to poison our youth." Even today, Seal's photos are cited by conservative journalists to counter evidence of cocaine smuggling by the contras, the guys in the glued-on white hats. Yet, in the Seal-Sandinista drug case, only one Nicaraguan, a shadowy figure named Federico Vaughan, was ever indicted. Vaughan supposedly worked for the Nicaraguan Interior Ministry. But strangely, Vaughan had been calling his American drug contacts from a phone located at either the U.S. or other Western embassies. It was never clear for whom Vaughan was working. DEA officials stated that they had no evidence that any other Nicaraguan official, besides Vaughan, had participated in drug smuggling. The DEA also complained that the White House blew the smuggling investigation prematurely to embarrass the Sandinistas before a contra aid vote. The bigger fish sought by the DEA had included the leaders of the Medellin drug cartel. But the administration had sacrificed that probe to gain a propaganda edge. A year later, in 1985, the evidence would build that the contras were engaged in real drug trafficking. In reaction, the administration again would put P.R. ahead of law enforcement. The public diplomacy team would activate, to attack the journalists and investigators who revealed this evidence. Even after the Iran-contra scandal unraveled in 1986-87 and Casey died of brain cancer, the Republicans fought to keep secret the remarkable story of this public diplomacy apparatus. As part of a deal to get three moderate Republican senators to join Democrats in signing the Iran-contra report, Democratic leaders dropped a draft chapter on the CIA's domestic propaganda role. The American people were thus spared the chapter's troubling conclusion: that a covert propaganda apparatus had existed, run by "one of the CIA's most senior specialists, sent to the NSC by Bill Casey, to create and coordinate an inter-agency public- diplomacy mechanism [which] did what a covert CIA operation in a foreign country might do. [It] attempted to manipulate the media, the Congress and public opinion to support the Reagan administration's policies." It had succeeded. Copyright (c) 1996 ******************************************************************* http://www.totse.com/en/media/the_media_industrial_complex/165624.html The Media Goes to War: How TV Sold The Panama Invasion by Mark Cook and Jeff Cohen TWO weeks after the Panama invasion, "CBS News" sponsored a public opinion poll in Panama that found the residents in rapture over what happened. Even 80 percent of those whose homes had been blown up or their relatives killed by US forces said it was worth it. Their enthusiasm did not stop with the ousting of Gen. Manual Noriega, however. A less heavily advertised result of the poll was that 82% of the sampled Panamanian patriots did not want Panamanian control of the Canal, preferring either partial of exclusive control by the US ("Panamanians Strongly Back US Move," "New York Times," 1/6/90). A "public opinion poll" in a country under martial law, conducted by an agency obviously sanctioned by the invading forces, can be expected to come up with such results. Most reporters, traveling as they did with the US military, found little to contradict this picture. Less than 40 hours after the invasion began, Sam Donaldson and Judd Rose transported us to Panama via "ABC's Prime Time Live" (12/21/90). "There were people who applauded us as we went by in a military convoy," said Rose. "The military have been very good to us [in escorting reporters beyond the Canal Zone]," added Donaldson. While this kind of "Canal Zone journalism" dominated television, a few independent print journalists stuck out on their own. Peter Eisner of "Newsday"'s Latin American Bureau, for example, reported (12/28/89) that Panamanians were cursing US soldiers under their breath as troops searched the home of a neighbor--a civilian--for weapons. One Panamanian pointed out a man speaking to US soldiers as a "sapo" (a toad--slang for "dirty informer") and suggested that denouncing people to the US forces was a way of settling old scores. A doctor living on the street said that "liberals will be laying low for a while, and they're probably justified" because of what would happen to those who speak out. All of Eisner's sources feared having their names printed. The same day's "Miami Herald" ran articles about Panamanian citizen reactions, including concern over the hundreds of dead civilians: "Neighbors saw six US truck loads bringing dozens of bodies" to a mass grave. As a mother watched the body of her soldier son lowered into a grave, her "voice rose over the crowd's silence: `Damn the Americans.'" Obviously there was a mix of opinion inside Panama, but it was virtually unreported on television, the dominant medium shaping US attitudes about the invasion. Panamanian opposition to the US was dismissed as nothing more than "DigBat [Dignity Battalion] thugs" who'd been given jobs by Noriega. And it was hardly acknowledged that the high-visibility demonstration outside the Vatican Embassy the day of Noriega's surrender had been actively "encouraged" by the US occupying forces ("Newsday," 1/5/90). Few TV reporters seemed to notice that the jubilant Panamanians parading before their cameras day after day to endorse the invasion spoke near-perfect English and were overwhelmingly light-skinned and well-dressed. This in a Spanish-speaking country with a largely mestizo and black population where poverty is widespread. "ABC"'s Beth Nissen (12/27/89) was one of the few TV reporters to take a close look at the civilian deaths caused by US bombs that pulverized El Chorillo, the poor neighborhood which ambulance drivers now call "Little Hiroshima." The people of El Chorillo don't speak perfect English, and they were less than jubilant about the invasion. "Our Boys" vs. Unseen Civilians In the first days of the invasion, TV journalists had one overriding obsession: How many American soldiers have died? The question, repeated with drumbeat regularity, tended to drown out the other issues: Panamanian casualties, international law, foreign reaction. On the morning of the invasion, "CBS" anchor Kathleen Sullivan's voice cracked with emotion for the US soldiers: "Nine killed, more than 50 wounded. How long can this fighting go on?" Unknown and unknowable to "CBS" viewers, hundreds of Panamanians had already been killed by then, many buried in their homes. Judging from the calls and requests for interviews that poured into the FAIR office, European and Latin American journalists based in the US were stunned by the implied racism and national chauvinism in the media display. The "Toronto Globe and Mail," often referred to as the "New York Times" of Canada, ran a front-page article (12/22/89) critiquing the United States and its media for "the peculiar jingoism of US society so evident to foreigners but almost invisible for most Americans." TV's continuous focus on the well-being of the invaders, and not the invadees, meant that the screen was dominated by red, white and blue draped coffins and ceremonies, honor rolls of the US dead, drum rolls, remarks by Dan Rather (12/21/89) about "our fallen heroes"...but no Panamanian funerals. This despite the fact that the invasion claimed perhaps 50 Panamanian lives for every US citizen killed. When Pentagon pool correspondent Fred Francis was asked on day one about civilian casualties on "ABC's Nightline" (12/20/89), he said he did not know, because he and other journalists were traveling around with the US army. Curiosity didn't increase in ensuing days. FAIR called the TV networks daily to demand they address the issue of civilian deaths, but journalists said they had no way of verifying the numbers. No such qualms existed with regards to Rumania, where over the Christmas weekend "CNN" and other US outlets were freely dishing out fantastic reports of 80,000 people killed in days of violence, a figure--greater that the immediate Hiroshima death toll--which any editor should have dismissed out of hand. Tom Brokaw's selective interest in civilians was evident when he devoted the first half of "NBC Nightly News" (12/20/89) to Panama without mentioning non- combatant casualties, then turned to Rumania and immediately referred to reports of thousands of civilian deaths. Not until the sixth day of the Panama invasion did the US Army augment its estimated dead (23 American troops, 297 alleged enemy soldiers) to include a figure for civilians: 254. The number was challenged as representing only a fraction of the true death toll by the few reporters who sought out independent sources: Panamanian human rights monitors, hospital workers, ambulance drivers, funeral home directors. These sources also spoke of thousands of civilian injuries and 10,000 left homeless. Many journalists, especially on television, were too busy cheerleading "the successful military action" to notice the Panamanians who didn't fare so successfully. TV correspondents, so uncurious about civilian casualties, could not be expected to go beyond US military assurances about who was being arrested and why. As the "Boston Globe" noted (1/1/90), US forces were arresting anyone on a blacklist compiled by the newly-installed government. "Newsday"'s Peter Eisner reported (1/7/90): "Hundreds of intellectuals, university students, teachers and professional people say they have been harassed and detained by US forces in the guise of searching for hidden weapons." The "Objective" Reporter's Lexicon: We, Us, Our In covering the invasion, many TV journalists abandoned even the pretense of operating in a neutral, independent mode. Television anchors used pronouns like "we" and "us" in describing the mission into Panama, as if they themselves were members of the invasion force, or at least helpful advisors. "NBC"'s Brokaw exclaimed, on day one: "We haven't got [Noriega] yet." "CNN" anchor Mary Anne Loughlin asked a former CIA official (12/21/89): "Noriega has stayed one step ahead of us. Do you think we'll be able to find him?" After eagerly quizzing a panel of US military experts on "MacNeil/Lehrer" (12/21/89) about whether "we" had wiped out the Panamanian Defense Forces (PDF), Judy Woodruff concluded, "So not only have we done away with the PDF, we've also done away with the police force." So much for the separation of press and state. Ted Koppel and other TV journalists had a field day mocking the Orwellianly-titled "Dignity Battalions," but none were heard ridiculing the invasion's code-name: "Operation Just Cause." The day after the invasion, "NBC Nightly News" offered its own case study in Orwellian Newspeak: While one correspondent referred to the US military occupiers as engaging in "peacekeeping chores," another correspondent on the same show referred to Latin American diplomats at the OAS condemning the US as a "lynch mob." After the Soviet Union criticized the invasion as "gunboat diplomacy" (as had many other countries), Dan Rather dismissed it as "old-line, hard-line talk from Moscow" ("CBS Evening News," 12/20/89). Journalism gave way to state propaganda when a "CNN" correspondent dutifully reported on the day of the invasion: "US troops have taken detainees but we are not calling them `prisoners of war' because the US has not declared war." (That kind of obedient reporter probably still refers to the Vietnam "conflict.") Similarly, on Day 1, many networks couldn't bring themselves to call the invasion an invasion until they got the green light from Washington: instead, it was referred to variously as a military action, intervention, operation, expedition, affair, insertion. Where Did Our Love Go? Many reporters uncritically promoted White House explanations for its break-up with Noriega. Clifford Krauss reported ("NY Times," 1/21/90) that Noriega "began as a CIA asset but fell afoul of Washington over his involvement in drug and arms trafficking." "ABC"'s Peter Jennings told viewers on the day of the invasion, "Let's remember that the United States was very close to Mr. Noriega before the whole question of drugs came up." Actually, Noriega's drug links were asserted by US intelligence as early as 1972. In 1976, after US espionage officials proposed that Noriega be dumped because of drugs and double-dealing, then-CIA director George Bush made sure the relationship continued ("S.F. Examiner," 1/5/90; "New Yorker," 1/8/90). US intelligence overlooked the drug issue year after year as long as Noriega was an eager ally in US espionage and covert operations, especially those targeted against Nicaragua. Peter Jennings' claim that the US broke with Noriega after the "question of drugs came up" turns reality upside down. Noriega's involvement in drug trafficking was purportedly heaviest in the early 1980s when his relationship with the US was especially close. By 1986, when the Noriega/US relationship began to fray, experts agree that Noriega had already drastically curtailed his drug links. The two drug-related indictments against Noriega in Florida cover activities from 1981 through March 1986 ("Analysts Challenge View of Noriega as Drug Lord," "Washington Post," 1/7/90). When, as vice president, Bush met with Noriega in Panama in December 1983, besides discussing Nicaragua, Bush allegedly raised questions about drug money laundering. According to author Kevin Buckley, Noriega told top aide Jose Blandon that he'd picked up the following message from the Bush meeting: "The United States wanted help for the contras so badly that if he even promised it, the US government would turn a blind eye to money-laundering and setbacks to democracy in Panama." In 1985 and '86, Noriega met several times with Oliver North to discuss the assistance Noriega was providing to the contras, such as training contras at Panamanian Defense Force bases ("Noriega could give some interesting answers," Kevin Buckley, "St. Petersburg Times," 1/3/90). Noriega didn't fall from grace until he stopped being a "team player" in the US war against Nicaragua. Democracy had as little to do with the break-up as drugs. If Noriega believed Bush had given his strongarm rule a green light in 1983, confirmation came the next year when Noriega's troops seized ballot boxes and blatantly rigged Panama's presidential election. Noriega's candidate, Nicolas Ardito Barletta, was also "our" candidate--an economist who had been a student and assistant to former University of Chicago professor George Shultz. Though loudly protested by Panamanians, the fraud that put Ardito Barletta in power was cheered by the US Embassy. Secretary of State Shultz attended his inauguration. (See "The Press on Panama," "Extra!", Mar/Apr 88; Richard Reeves, "San Francisco Chronicle," 12/25/89) As the Noriega case progresses toward trial, the media's treatment of key witnesses against the General may offer a case study in bias. Several of the witnesses have already testified on these matters in a very public forum--hearings before Senator John Kerry's Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Narcotics. At that time, February 1988, they fingered Nicaraguan contras as cocaine cohorts of Noriega operating under the umbrella of the CIA and Ollie North. The hearings were ignored or distorted by national media outlets, with Reagan/Bush officials and CIA dismissing the witnesses as drug trafficking felons. ("Extra!," Mar/Apr 88; Warren Hinckle, "S.F. Examiner," 1/11/90). In a predictable turnaround, as soon as Noriega was apprehended, TV news brought forth experts to explain that "when one prosecutes someone like Noriega for drug dealing, witnesses will of necessity be drug dealers." Provocations of Pretexts? The US media showed little curiosity about the Dec. 16 confrontation that led to the death of a US Marine officer and the injury of another when they tried to run a roadblock in front of the PDF headquarters. The officers were supposedly "lost." In view of what is now known about the intense pre-invasion preparations then underway ("NY Times," 12/24/89), is it possible the Marines were actually trying to track Noriega's whereabouts? The Panamanian version of the event was that the US soldiers, upon being discovered, opened fire--injuring three civilians, including a child--and then tried to run the roadblock. This version was largely ignored by US journalists even after the shooting two days later of a Panamanian corporal who "signaled a US serviceman to stop," according to the administration. "The US serviceman felt threatened," the administration claimed, after admitting that its earlier story that the Panamanian had pulled his gun was false ("NYT," 12/19/89) As for the claim that a US officer had been roughly interrogated and his wife had been sexually threatened, the administration provided no supporting evidence ("NYT," 12/19/89; "Newsday," 12/18/89). Since the Marine's death and the interrogation were repeatedly invoked to justify the invasion, the lack of press scrutiny of these claims is stunning. For months, US forces had been trying to provoke confrontations as a pretext for an attack. In response to an Aug. 11 incident, Panamanian Foreign Minister Jorge Ritter asked that a UN peacekeeping force be dispatched to Panama to prevent such encounters. The US press largely ignored his call ("El Diario/La Prensa," New York's Spanish-language daily, 8/13/89). The "Declaration of War" That Never Was "When during the past few days [Noriega] declared war on the United States and some of his followers then killed a US Marine, roughed up another American serviceman, also threatening that man's wife, strong public support for a reprisal was all but guaranteed," Ted Koppel told his "Nightline" audience Dec. 20. Noriega never "declared war on the United States." The original "Reuters" dispatches, published on the inside pages of the "New York Times" (12/17-18/89), buried the supposed "declaration" in articles dealing with other matters. In the Dec. 17 article headlined, "Opposition Leader in Panama Rejects a Peace Offer from Noriega," "Reuters" quoted the general as saying that he would judiciously use new powers granted to him by the Panamanian parliament and that "the North American scheme, through constant psychological and military harassment, has created a state of war in Panama." This statement of fact aroused little excitement at the White House, which called the parliament's move "a hollow step." The day after the invasion, "Los Angeles Times" Pentagon correspondent Melissa Healey told a call-in talk show audience on "C- SPAN" that Noriega had "declared war" on the United States. When a caller asked why that hadn't been front page news, Healey explained that the declaration of war was one of a series of "incremental escalations." When another caller pointed out that Panama had only made a rhetorical statement that US economic and other measures had created a state of war, the Pentagon correspondent confessed ignorance of what had actually been said, and suggested that it was certainly worth investigating. The incident symbolizes media performance on the invasion--dispense official information as gospel first, worry about the truth of that information later. It's just what the White House was counting on from the media. The Bush team set out to control television and front page news in the first days knowing that exposes of official deception (such as Noriega's 110 pounds of "cocaine" that turned out to be tamales) would not appear until weeks later buried on inside pages of newspapers. Rulers do not require the total suppression of news. As Napoleon Bonaparte once said: It's sufficient to delay the news until it no longer matters. Besides uncritically dispensing huge quantities of official news and views, the TV networks had another passion during the first days of the invasion: polling their public. It was an insular process, with predictable results. A "Toronto Globe and Mail" news story summarized it (12/22/89): "Hardly a voice of objection is being heard within the United States about the Panama invasion, at least from those deemed as official sources and thus likely to be seen on television or read in the papers. Not surprisingly, given the media coverage, a television poll taken yesterday by one network ("CNN") indicated that nine of ten viewers approved of the invasion." ********************************************************** http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stories/0210journalists.24358.html Of deadlines, dead leads - and death Foreign correspondents, especially Americans, face increasing danger 02/10/2002 By CAROLYN BARTA / The Dallas Morning News Covering wars has always been dangerous, but journalists are increasingly becoming targets. Correspondents are granted no immunity because of their profession. And American journalists - with mounting global terrorism and anti-Americanism - risk being snatched as political pawns. "American journalists are no longer considered noncombatants. At one time they were considered like the Red Cross," said Stephen Hess, a Brookings Institution scholar and author of the book International News and Foreign Correspondents. The recent kidnapping of Daniel Pearl, a Wall Street Journal correspondent in Pakistan, brought that fact home. A few years ago, extremists might have kidnapped an American corporate executive or bombed a diplomat. Now they go after a journalist. "It's part of the anti-American feeling in the world and [the feeling that] journalists are not objective professionals who are 'above country,' " Mr. Hess said. Last year was particularly deadly for foreign correspondents, with eight killed in Afghanistan. And Pakistan has long been considered a dangerous place for local journalists to practice. But news organizations remain committed to covering the region. "Everyone is staying put for the moment," said Abi Wright, spokeswoman for the Committee to Protect Journalists, although the Pearl kidnapping may have a "chilling effect" on coverage. "Though reporters haven't left the country, that's not to say they're venturing out from their hotels as much as they would have." When he was kidnapped, Mr. Pearl was investigating the link between a militant group and Richard Reid, the shoe-bomber suspect. A former Pakistani reporter predicts the kidnapping will affect other Western journalists. "It will probably discourage them from trying to get too close to their sources," said Nafisa Hoodbyoy, who worked for the English-language newspaper, Dawn, and now teaches at the University of Massachusetts. Dr. Anantha Babbili, a journalism professor at Texas Christian University who was a reporter in India, said, "Every time a journalist is put in danger or taken hostage or becomes a bargaining chip, it inhibits fellow reporters, not only reporters from abroad but those native to the country." While the focus now is on Pakistan and Afghanistan, every year, dozens of journalists are killed worldwide. More than 100 are in jail or captivity. In 2001, the CPJ reports, 37 journalists were killed worldwide, an increase from 2000 when 24 were killed. The war in Afghanistan produced the highest death toll for a single country since 1999, when 10 journalists were killed in Sierra Leone. But 1994, when 72 journalists were killed, was the deadliest year because of the war in Bosnia and the targeting of journalists by Islamic fundamentalists in Algeria. Ms. Wright, whose organization documents press freedom abuses worldwide, said local journalists are targeted more often than Westerners. Many are covering endemic conflicts or criminal activity, such as drug wars. Still, conflicts across the globe and the spread of terrorism is causing news organizations to promote safety measures, urge caution and, in some cases, reassess how they deploy their people. But most correspondents view risk as part of the job. In a New York Times opinion piece, Terry Anderson, an Associated Press reporter captured 16 years ago and held hostage for seven years in Lebanon, wrote: "Journalists in this dangerous world are very aware of our vulnerability. To cover the news, we have to be in the midst of it." David Filipov, the Boston Globe's Moscow bureau chief, was asked during a PBS interview how he felt about going back to Afghanistan after covering the war there from October to Christmas. "Well, I don't plan to buy real estate there, but I'll continue covering it as long as it's a story," he said. "That's what I do. It's my job." During October and November, at the height of the war in Afghanistan, 1,500 foreign correspondents were in Pakistan, using it as a launching pad for war coverage. It was the largest concentration of international media since the Gulf War, according to Reporters Without Borders, a Paris-based organization that estimates that 300 to 400 remain. "At the beginning of almost any kind of conflict, you don't know what the rules are. That's when people get hurt," said Michael Parks, a foreign correspondent for 25 years who is interim director of the University of Southern California's journalism school "It's not correspondents being foolhardy, but they have nothing to guide them. So you wind up crossing lines when you think you're safe. That's what happened with the correspondents in Afghanistan. They took risks they thought were acceptable." Four journalists and their Afghan guide were ambushed and murdered on Nov. 19 as they drove on a deserted stretch of road between Jalalabad and Kabul. The week before, three reporters traveling were killed by Taliban fire. Another cameraman was robbed, shot and killed in a house where he was staying. No Americans were killed. But they could have been. The journalists murdered Nov. 19 were in an eight-vehicle convoy. The other vehicles included journalists from The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and The Baltimore Sun, who were able to turn back. Jim Wooten writes in the current issue of Columbia Journalism Review that his ABC News crew was only three minutes behind the victims' cars and turned back after encountering a car returning from the murder scene. "The driver's arm was out the window, waving frantically, apparently flagging us down. As we passed, I saw him draw his finger across his throat," Mr. Wooten said. The car's driver yelled, "Ambush, ambush," and said journalists had been killed. Mr. Wooten recalled that a local adviser had told him the previous day that the road was safe. Mr. Hess said that while war correspondence has always been dangerous, Afghanistan has presented special problems. "It's not like World War II, where there were battlelines, and people had uniforms," he said. Nor like the Gulf War, where journalists were assigned to a unit so they had some protection from American troops. The country also is flush with bandits, drawn to journalists who are "walking ATM machines. The only way to do it was to go in there with your pockets stuffed with cash," he said. Still, reporters are drawn by the adventure and the chance to get the story. "Your blood pulses, being there," Mr. Hess said. Many of the reporters and photographers who go into war zones or dangerous situations are young free-lancers, trying to make a name for themselves. They often take more risks to get the story. But it's also a way to advance a career. "It's how you move ahead and win Pulitzer prizes and go on to be editor," Mr. Hess said. Mr. Parks, who became editor of the Los Angeles Times before he became an educator, had covered Vietnam, Iran during the revolution, Lebanon during the civil war and South Africa during the uprising against apartheid. "It was important for me to see as much as I could at the front lines. That's where the conflict is and where best to understand what is driving it," he said. "The only way to cover this kind of news is to get out there." Editors understand the urgency of being on the scene but are stressing caution in the wake of the Pearl kidnapping. "We asked each person in the region to 'think security' in every reporting decision they make - which sources they meet and under what circumstances and which parts of Pakistan to travel to," said Mary Braswell, deputy foreign editor at the Los Angeles Times. Gilbert Bailon, executive editor of The Dallas Morning News, said The News is not withdrawing its journalists from the region, "though we have increased efforts to secure them as they travel about. They stay in frequent communication and are rotated out." All are veteran journalists; most of the reporters are based abroad. They work as a team with photographers from Dallas "and know that their safety comes before any story," he said. As for why the newspaper is keeping them in the field, he said, "In addition to the military conflict, there is a compelling story of the rebuilding of a destitute country and the people who live there." Unfortunately, he said, "reporters around the world are harassed, jailed and sometimes assaulted or even killed. It didn't start with Daniel Pearl nor will it end with his capture. But it is very sobering when a U.S. journalist doing his job is the target of terrorists." Tom Kent, a deputy managing editor of the Associated Press in New York, said the world has been dangerous for foreign correspondents particularly since the end of the Cold War, because conflicts have frequently involved separatist fights and guerilla groups. The wire service offers safety training for its reporters and photographers, as do other major media outlets such as the British Broadcasting Corporation, Agence France-Presse and Reuters. It also equips those in danger zones with flak jackets and helmets and uses armor-plated vehicles in some parts of the world. The AP has a worldwide force of 400 to 500 involved in newsgathering. "We always tell them, when in doubt, don't go forward," Mr. Kent said. Yet, in its 150-year history, AP has had 26 correspondents killed, including five World War II correspondents. Mr. Parks said Pakistan will continue to be a hot spot for news, because of tensions with India and its importance to the United States. Newspapers and networks have to tell that story with correspondents and crews on the ground, he said. "You can't cover from London." With terrorism becoming a threat in many parts of the globe, he said, "our readers, viewers, listeners want to know, need to know what's driving the terrorism, how can it be controlled, how can it be fought. The question is how to do it well, and how to do it safely." *********************************************************************** http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/media/story.jsp?story=371412 The Media Column: War journalists should not be cosying up to the military By Robert Fisk 21 January 2003 It looks like a rerun of the 1991 Gulf War. Already American journalists are fighting like tigers to join "the pool", to be "embedded" in the US military so that they can see the war at first hand - and, of course, be censored. Eleven years ago, they turned up at Dhahran in Saudi Arabia, already kitted out with helmets, gas capes, chocolate rations and eyes that narrowed when they looked into the sun, just like General Montgomery. Half the reporters wanted to wear military costume and one young television man from the American mid-west turned up, I recall well, with a pair of camouflaged boots. Each boot was camouflaged with painted leaves. Those of us who had been in a desert -- even those who had only seen a picture of a desert - did wonder what this meant. Well, of course, it symbolised fantasy, the very quality upon which most viewers now rely when watching "live" war - or watching death "live" on TV. Thus, over the past four weeks, the massed ranks of American television networks have been pouring into Kuwait to cosy up to the US military, to seek those coveted "pool" positions, to try on their army or marine costumes and make sure that - if or when the day comes - they will have the kind of coverage that every reporter and every general wants: a few facts, good pictures and nothing dirty to make the viewers throw up on the breakfast table. I remember how, back in 1991, only those Iraqi soldiers obliging enough to die in romantic poses - arm thrown back to conceal the decomposing features or face down and anonymous in the sand - made it on to live-time. Those soldiers turned into a crematorium nightmare or whose corpses were being torn to pieces by wild dogs - I actually saw an ITV crew film this horrific scene - were not honoured on screen. ITV's film, of course, couldn't be shown - lest it persuade the entire world that no one should go to war, ever, again. The Americans are actually using the word "embedded". Reporters must be "embedded' in military units. The fears of Central Command at Tampa, Florida, are that Saddam will commit some atrocity - a gas attack on Shiites, an air bombardment of Iraqi civilians - and then blame it on the Americans. Journalists in the "pool" can thus be rushed to the scene to prove that the killings were the dastardly work of the Beast of Baghdad rather than the "collateral damage" - the Distinguished Medal for Gutlessness should be awarded to all journalists who even mention this phrase - of the fine young men who are trying to destroy the triple pillar of the "axis of evil". Already, the "buddy-buddy" relationship - that's actually what the Ministry of Defence boys called it 11 years ago -- has started. US troops in Kuwait are offering courses in chemical and biological warfare for reporters who might be accompanying soldiers to "the front", along with "training" on the need to protect security during military operations. CNN is, of course, enthusiastically backing these seemingly innocuous courses - forgetting how they allowed Pentagon "trainees" to sit in their newsroom during the 1991 Gulf War. So here's a thumbnail list of how to watch out for mendacity and propaganda on your screen once Gulf War Two (or Three if you include the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq conflict) begins. You should suspect the following: Reporters who wear items of American or British military costume - helmets, camouflage jackets, weapons, etc. Reporters who say "we" when they are referring to the US or British military unit in which they are "embedded". Those who use the words "collateral damage" instead of "dead civilians". Those who commence answering questions with the words: "Well, of course, because of military security I can't divulge..." Those who, reporting from the Iraqi side, insist on referring to the Iraqi population as "his" (ie Saddam's) people. Journalists in Baghdad who refer to "what the Americans describe as Saddam Hussein's human rights abuses" - rather than the plain and simple torture we all know Saddam practices. Journalists reporting from either side who use the god-awful and creepy phrase "officials say" without naming, quite specifically, who these often lying "officials" are. Stay tuned. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:03:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Safdie Joseph Subject: Re: Journalism Endangered MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gabe, Patrick -- There was more than a little consciousness of insane, oxymoronish language in the Vietnam war -- the Fugs' "Kill, Kill, Kill for Peace" comes to mind -- but two recent such instances seem emblematic. What exactly does it mean when the President warns journalists to get out of Iraq? I mean . . . isn't it their *job* to tell the rest of us what's going on? Didn't there used to be some cachet to being a war correspondent? What exactly does it mean when an NPR correspondent from Iraq today said "Well, this might be the last you hear from me for awhile, because there'll be restrictions on what I can say now" -- and there is NO QUESTION about it? Why do we go on crediting -- in ANY WAY -- what mainstream journalism is going to tell us when it's so OBVIOUSLY censored? There's no end to the horror and inanity of what's about to go down, but . . . was anyone else bothered when Colin Powell said "the time for diplomacy was over"? I mean . . . he's the Secretary of State -- isn't diplomacy his *job*? If the time for diplomacy is over, Colin, then shouldn't you QUIT YOUR JOB?? If I'd been in charge of the miserable diplomacy that this country has exhibited in the last few months, I would have resigned. Why doesn't Colin? In the meantime, there's a gristly picture on the back cover of the latest *Adbusters* magazine that will, I'm afraid, be repeated some thousand fold in the next few days. I'm flying to New York City tomorrow, where I hope to meet with some distinguished contributors to this listserv and demonstrate, in any number of ways, my revulsion to current events. In the meantime, I suggest that we all do our jobs, and by so doing, expose the cretinous public servants who aren't doing theirs. Joe Safdie -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Gudding To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: 3/18/03 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Journalism Endangered ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:10:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Journalism Endangered Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of the most affecting and memorable images of the twentieth century was a newspaper photo depicting an American soldier putting a Vietnamese hut aflame with a cigarette lighter. One of the most powerful current political activities happening against this war at this moment is Paul Chan's project of posting photos of Iraqis around New York. I was excited by Patrick Herron's post below concerning Peter Turnley's impressive ideas and suggestions concerning the political power of photography. -Nick- > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:50:56 -0500 > From: Patrick Herron > Subject: Journalism Endangered > > Hey Gabe, Jane, Pierre, Mairead, Toni - > > > Remember that silly guy from the AWP panel calling me a liar when I > suggested that journalists were prevented or endangered in various ways > (including threats of violence in some cases) from covering war? > > Here's yet another article from a journalist referring to the impediments to > journalism faced by people covering American military action. You can add > this to your collection, Gabe. > > Catching the highway of death just before the US Army "graves detail" swept > through to hide the bodies in mass graves.... > > Ahh, the price of Freedom(TM). > > And some stunning photos from the first Gulf War. Thanks to Linh Dinh for > pointing this out. > > http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_intro.html > > > Patrick > > > ************************ > The Unseen Gulf War > BY Peter Turnley > December 2002 > > Dirck- > > As we approach the likelihood of a new Gulf War, I have an idea and it > occurs to me that the Digital Journalist may be the place for it. As we all > know, the military pool system created then was meant to be, and was, a > major impediment for photojournalists in their quest to communicate the > realities of war (This fact does not diminish the great efforts, courage, > and many important images created by many of my colleagues who participated > in these pools.). Aside from that, while you would have a very difficult > time finding an editor of an American publication today that wouldn't > condemn this pool system and its restrictions during the Gulf War, most > publications and television entities more or less bought the program before > the war began (this reality has been far less discussed than the critiques > of the pools themselves). > I refused to participate in the pool system. I was in the Gulf for many > weeks as the build-up of troops took place, and then sat out the "air war", > and flew from Paris to Riyadh as soon as the ground war began. I arrived at > the "mile of death" the morning the day the war stopped. It was very early > in the morning and few other journalists were present. When I arrived at the > scene of this incredible carnage, strewn all over on this mile stretch were > cars and trucks with wheels still turning, radios still playing, and there > were bodies scattered along the road. Many people have asked the question > "how many people died" during the war with Iraq and the question has never > been well answered. That first morning, I saw and photographed a U.S. > Military 'graves detail' bury in large graves many bodies. > > I don't recall seeing many television images of the human consequences of > this scene, or for that matter many photographs published. A day later, I > came across another scene on an obscure road further north and to the east > where, in the middle of the desert, I found a convoy of lorries transporting > Iraqi soldiers back to Baghdad, where clearly massive fire power had been > dropped and everyone in sight had been carbonized. Most of the photographs I > made of this scene have never been published anywhere and this has always > troubled me. > > As we approach the distinct possibility of another war, a thought comes to > mind. The photographs that I made do not, in themselves, represent any > personal political judgment or point of view with respect to the politics > and the right or wrong of the first Gulf War. What they do represent is a > part of a more accurate picture of what really does happen in war. I feel it > is important and that citizens have the right to see these images. This is > not to communicate my point of view, but so viewers as citizens can be > offered a better opportunity to consider the whole picture and consequences > of that war and any war. I feel that it is part of my role as a > photojournalist to offer the viewer the opportunity to draw from as much > information as possible, and develop his or her own judgment. > > This past war and any one looming, have often been treated as something akin > to a 'Nintendo game'. This view conveniently obscures the vivid and often > grotesque realities apparent to those directly involved in war. As a witness > to the results of this past Gulf War, this televised, aerial, and > technological version of the conflict is not what I saw and I'd like to > present some images that I made that represent a more complete picture of > what this conflict looked like. > > War is at best a necessary evil, and I am certain that anyone that feels > differently has never experienced or been in it. I have always hoped that > true images of conflict give one the opportunity to witness and reflect more > fully on the full realities of war. After covering many conflicts around the > world in past 20 years and witnessing much human suffering, I feel a > responsibility to try to contribute to making sure with my images that no > one that sees the brutal realities of conflict, ever feels that war is > comfortable and/or convenient. > > I would like to propose that we discuss a portfolio of these difficult > images now, as a future war in Iraq grows more likely every passing day. I > look forward to hearing from you. > > My best. Peter Turnley > > C Peter Turnley > peterturnley@yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:16:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Journalism Endangered Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Again, the Turnley site posted by Patrick Herron is at http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0212/pt_intro.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:34:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Fw: Good Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good Day That we were both our first gesture and in the early morning toward = arms, making torsos lift from the blue sheets, that we were both cold, = could allow for a large enough frame to include a map of the furnace = clicking awake throughout the night. You said: "it's seven am and I have = to run." Somewhere vials fill clear, their liquid suggests an = effervescence beyond simply what an alligator might accomplish as an = ambulance operator. And my own eyes, for their purpose, chose to collect = other bodies (WO I might add) from the shapes that spackle our ceiling. = Ambulatory clouds cover sense. Yet it is only a moment that waits to = occur. And after you've read it, maybe such things did. Find is in the = glove, the finger's occupation, as much as in the word 'trouver'. Some = roots for discover land them into a perpetual deathcycle for two more = lines, two feet, a meter. Strike accord in opulence. Beauty rests, and = finally, thank god, in the ice of the bell holder. When it does, the = shatter startles us out of a momentary reverie, it is after all an early = morning, and as suddenly as the things shiver, they fetter awareness to = its own balloon, filling our minds with a body, our body with an idea of = itself and its opposite, and filling its opposite with the desire for = some coffee, the newspaper, some golden or glass slippers.=20 Good Day When tall boots don't stuff ice, put a t into the cross. A fool for the = fire down below. Blindness before beauty. Convention appoints, = disappears into footsteps upstairs, stems into conversation with the = other half of the centaur. Watch convex gifts that resemble the moon, = aren't but seem to be at least 'worldly' uprooted. Starcrost dramatiste = falls in love, aristocratically, falls from the sky, and you say: "It = snows. Or at least Benveniste swallowed by apostrophes." Or maybe you = said: "His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly = through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last = end, upon all the living and the dead." But that could have also been = the tables as they turned. A wild card between the light blue sheets, = these pages, those kingly decisions, generations I imagine being just a = moment before midnight. Good Afternoon Once it has passed upon a time, cloaked Wagner, quick institute bellows = our youngsters, gifted or otherwise accidental. No one was badly hurt. = Control blasts across the room and the weather chinooks it should be = said. Beasts rifle the pages and further blue on blue aphasia. How come = your legs work. Against understanding in such plain talk as this. Rooms = move past confederate canadians, evolution beyond mourning: one against = many should reveal itself as a construct and therefore false; a storm = out of nowhere, see how semi-colons work, that is, a reading... Good Day Spin it clicks awake, and the blue as in sheets, rewind, that it said = humble returns, eternally yours, and the kerning got all fucked up so = fast between us. The US and the rest. That's them's the breaks I guess. = This windows platform expertise makes lines break, little green hashes = advance up the column till they drive from dark green, evergreen, = central intelligence to red, bright red, with a little element to heat = it all up at the center, between the screens. A several thing. = Multifold. Many are folded into a discussion of kitchen sinks and their = relationship to contemporary poetry, the porcelain wasn't always = nontoxic. Who doesn't have a problematic relationship to such an = overwhelming colonizing force? The english language? What we do is = squat, rent some ideas, turn the sound down, enliven. The green movement = against the whalers. Interviews would suggest that even the grass is fed = up with growth because of the latent incorporation of so many natural = metaphors by business. The fundamentals changed teams. Damn carpet = pulled itself out from under my feet. To sleep at some point later. Find = William Carlos Williams' Pictures from Cavanaugh under my pillow since = my girlfriend has a group project on his poem the fall of mike harris. = It goes unnoticed. Bellows in the annals of history. While the market = seems to be on an upward swing. Technologies on the front lines aching = for just a few more feet of desert. In advance.=20 Good Day Online chess again suffers my shoulder after hours while some kid keeps = his queen stuck out before his advance. Just there and he thinks he's = going to clean up all my pieces. Maybe that seemed to work in other = games. "The". Ergonomics has changed everything into a new standard. Our = ergonomic language, user friendly, easy on the back. -developer. = Beautiful glossy covers flown into Calgary first and foremost on the = crest of the last chinook, which literally washed all of the grey out of = our afternoons. Tuesday the sixth of May back in ninety-seven. I = "suppose" it wouldn't matter anyway what was recorded, posted, blogged, = universalized and several lawnmowers fire up at once from thirteenth to = fourteenth which is really a small stretch of street. These sounds offer = into the air a kind of second to none, critical intelligence about the = fear of the road at the end of the walkway. Or fears. That war. Or = roads. This is not a poem that scratches its own boundaries. = ".../poetics.edu.com/childrenofthewar.html." If you think you are = strange. Check. The collective symbolic, eh? Soft voice goes online from = the crowd. History into the fold. Periods of weather shift and carry = information across the country of birthdays, memories, hopes, and the = cheat of defamiliarization. Spell check doesn't recognize = defamiliarization and I can't really blame it for hoping my paragraphs = don't drift too far from grammatical correctness, after all it is = preprogrammed, it is in anticipation of foregone conclusions. These = words are situated on the edge of the evening. As time folds over into = the night. While car doors slam toward A & A, toward 20th. Someone on = the LRT said numbers "were just information". Well, I guess she was = right. I scratched it into a notebook with one of those old blue = papermate pens, from before the war. She rode the train from Fish Creek = to 3rd street station. I might have asked her what she meant by saying = that, but she seemed to be so entirely certain of her statement that it = didn't seem to matter much what she meant. And she said it really loudly = too. "Yellow Poems." They float on the air too. And sometimes fall just = like snow. But don't eat them. Good Day When I woke up today. The phone rang. My friend said you can't use the = word punctilious in a poem. It has certainly been thirty-one mondays = since we last discussed Stompin'. That it was the phone when it rang. = What I've been trying to say. Is that you can't use the word poem in a = poem. Or over the phone early in the morning; that certain prisoners are = or once were our friends, bastards, themselves outshined by the sun, = even the sun that now shines through my bedroom window, past the little = bonsai leaves and rubber alligator, over the blue sheets, the dark blue = sheets, the dark blue sheets which you have pulled up over your head and = it is at least seven am. Punctilious. Good Day Manners matter mostly to muttering mothers on Mondays. My mother. It was = around this time that her mother died from complications that arose = during some 'minor' surgery. My grandmother. Chrome graves risen, stand = the blades of grass above them stiff; caught in the wind that also moves = the elm's leaves high above. Scarborough to Capitol Hill. A granite key = between the lines on my front door for you to let yourself in, and in = hindsight you made breakfast before I even got out of bed around noon. = That sentence is dead. Money is information. Water doesn't have a = wallet. Or a shed. Like language. You said to be patient and I probably = muttered something like I will if you are the doctor. If I could go = back, I'd make breakfast before you got to my place, and I'd also most = likely not say that thing about you being a doctor. It is all economics = at our feet, the rubble of war over the airwaves, where I discover even = you have succumbed to the dynamics of pressure, water wears down, = erodes, new lines of slight, it builds on all of our shoulders, that = snow as if flakes to the ground again, through that goddamned = streetlight that slipped itself right into the poem by virtue, by virtue = of it having no idea about the war, or about this poem, or about the = fact it is unnatural; a mockery even of the UN in all of its patience. = Standing tall out of the clouds, those clouds that roll across the = ocean, charging steeds, steelheads billows sails out front over wild = drops, deep wells between the waves, deep wells somewhere and then gone. = Gone just as fast between the ebb and flow of what my mother said the = other day about leaving her last husband; the graveyard is the brightest = landmark back home, in Milton. Then there's the wind again. You find the = key between the lines at my front door, let yourself in, and to my = belated surprise make blueberry pancakes, some coffee, wake me softly = out of a deep sleep asking whether or not I slept well through the = night, through the storms.. Good Day Prior to noon scramble, our yellow fingers find such tangled brown hair = soft as feathers beneath the sheets that for one second we fear the = presence of ravens. As though our pillows split open. And emptied ink = into the air, we thought coffee aromatized as the eventual limit for = vocabulary despite the fact it hasn't happened in days. Such was the = luminosity of the glow in the dark paint you smeared all over the = mirror. When we say it glowed, that's precisely what we're trying to = say. The birds could whistle if we would let them, remove the elastic = bands from their beaks. And plant those trees again, the cedar shrubs, = just outside the window. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 04:43:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: M1A1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit abrams tanks humvees special op carrier abe lincoln 101st airborne army v corps c+130 air swirl hvy winds 105 mill howitzers 51st mech. div. 6th armored 11th infantry stop us?/no drn/drn ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:12:45 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Henrike Lichtenberg Subject: Language Poetry Haiku: Do They Exist? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ... sprungrammar, what´s that? _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:58:28 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAY DREAMS 259 Comments: cc: j.cantellano@griffith.edu.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM for Jorge Cantellano . :::: o o o o 0 0 O O :::: . PEACE on a hunger strike JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:06:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Journalism Endangered In-Reply-To: <9664F36261DE32409334B83B21CAEE8EB6E238@lwtc.ctc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { Gabe, Patrick -- { { There was more than a little consciousness of insane, oxymoronish language { in the Vietnam war -- the Fugs' "Kill, Kill, Kill for Peace" comes to mind Or (from slightly earlier, I think)-- Kill a Commie for Christ Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action." --Joseph Heller Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:02:47 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Whores in the Rubble of Diplomacy Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Whores in the Rubble of Diplomacy An Editorial by The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:06:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: FW: "Red alert" means New Jerseyans may not leave their homes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: owner-politech@politechbot.com [mailto:owner-politech@politechbot.com] On Behalf Of Declan McCullagh Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:43 AM To: politech@politechbot.com Subject: FC: "Red alert" means New Jerseyans may not leave their homes Also see: http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~1251515,00.html >WASHINGTON Should war with Iraq erupt, Southern Californians could find >themselves living in a world of restricted travel, constrained trade, >closed schools and public buildings, canceled events and hypersecurity. -Declan --- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 03:24:21 -0800 To: declan@well.com From: Mark Subject: New Jersey says "red alert" means entire state must stay home - MARTIAL LAW http://www.southjerseynews.com/issues/march/m031603e.htm Red alert? Stay home, await word Sunday, March 16, 2003 By TOM BALDWIN Gannett State Bureau TRENTON If the nation escalates to "red alert," which is the highest in the color-coded readiness against terror, you will be assumed by authorities to be the enemy if you so much as venture outside your home, the state's anti-terror czar says. "This state is on top of it," said Sid Caspersen, New Jersey's director of the office of counter-terrorism. Caspersen, a former FBI agent, was briefing reporters, alongside Gov. James E. McGreevey, on Thursday, when for the first time he disclosed the realities of how a red alert would shut the state down. A red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate. "Red means all noncritical functions cease," Caspersen said. "Noncritical would be almost all businesses, except health-related." A red alert means there is a severe risk of terrorist attack, according to federal guidelines from the Department of Homeland Security. ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. To subscribe to Politech: http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ Like Politech? Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Declan McCullagh's photographs are at http://www.mccullagh.org/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:03:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Quick Political Aptitude Test In-Reply-To: <000c01c2ee20$b553d710$a3175581@rockefeller.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Quick Political Aptitude Test with only 1 question This test consists of one (1) multiple-choice question (so you better get it right!) The question (set forth below) is based on the following list of countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of World War II: 1. China 1945-46 2. Korea 1950-53 3. China 1950-53 4. Guatemala 1954 5. Indonesia 1958 6. Cuba 1959-60 7. Guatemala 1960 8. Congo 1964 9. Peru 1965 10. Laos 1964-73 11. Vietnam 1961-73 12. Cambodia 1969-70 13. Guatemala 1967-69 14. Grenada 1983 15. Libya 1986 16. El Salvador 1980s 17. Nicaragua 1980s 18. Panama 1989 19. Iraq 1991-2003 20. Sudan 1998 21. Yugoslavia 1999 22. Afghanistan 1998, 2001-2002 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Question: In how many of these instances did a democratic government, respectful of human rights, occur as a direct result? For your answer, choose one of the following: (a) 0 (b) zero (c) none (d) not a one (e) a whole number between -1 and +1 ______________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:56:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: It is difficult now to speak of poetry-- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Of Being Numerous 18 It is the air of atrocity An event as ordinary As a President A plume of smoke, visible at a distance In which people burn. 19 Now in the helicopters the casual will Is atrocious Insanity in high places, If it is true we must do these things We must cut our throats The fly in the bottle Insane, the insane fly Which, over the city Is the bright light of shipwreck 27 It is difficult now to speak of poetry-- Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:14:10 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: The Making of Americans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am preparing an selective antholgy of Turkish poetry for Talisman which is going to be published this year. It deals very closely with your question. Turkish poetry creates an incredibly nuanced writing partly using the repetivive, agglutidunal nature quality of the language. I calledthis quality, also related to Sufism, "eda." Perhaps the single poet now translated in English is Orhan Veli. In its deceptive simplicity the cadences I am referring to come across. I translated Orhan Veli in "I, Orhan Veli," by Hanging Loose press in New York. It can be bought through Amazon. also, the poem I think is in somebody's web site in its entirety. Here are a few other examples by other poets: The Wall The power Power Of seeing you In pigtails In pigtails, The plain skirt Of your school uniform Around your hips, Sweat Against the wall Against your wish Against the wall Against your wish. Miss Kinar's Waters She cried the smile of pebble stones with the raki from the carafe from Miss Kinar now who became water to steep wells with her straight hair what can she do in the theatre houses of Shehzadehbashi she could not have enough hats This bald Hassan, this baldie swept the darkness his rebellious cigarette lit backwards to avoid any laughter and a police enters fairy tales which go on ever since parting the human eyelashes of children And gathered inside her the sadness of the hands of an oud playing woman, appeared suddenly into wells in the evenings crying from Miss Kinar's waters. (Ece Ayhan) Wall Street This walking reluctantly pitch thought night hatless a spiritual money exchange spinning out sterling dollars, hard cash cruising reluctantly this pervasive bruising a whipped body's recline - against weeping willow window sockets blind to this stretched pleasure a rationale smoking why, stripped naked, stripped this body was whipped up - glorified morning I returning home below sea level, a routed team put back my lapin gloves into the closet wiping my sole on the stoop before crossing in tonight I shall propose your turn to beat me a finite stretch of time the windows of Wall Street dark for eons - infinity marries in mourning my civil service pocket watch is running up my lapin gloves must be returned tonight convert symmetry into seduction in this soft side street -walled street- my body will be fasting this lemon moony skin deserves a good beating without beating this lemon moon is not possible a psychic omelet I'll emerging out of reluctant infinitudes, crossing the threshhold wiping my shoes on the stoop, hatless (E.A.) branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch swings in the wind will swing in the wind branch swings in the wind could branch swing in the wind swings in the wind was was swinging in the wind branch swings in the wind must swing in the wind swings swings in the wind didn't branch swing in the wind branch swings in the wind let it swing in the wind branch couldn't swing in the wind branch swings in the wind branch swings in the wind wasn't swinging in the wind branch branch swings in the wind let let swing in the wind couldn't swing in the wind .... Celal Silay My best. Murat In a message dated 3/18/03 1:30:33 PM, dtv@MWT.NET writes: >Murat > >Can you suggest some contemporary writers who are good examples of >this? mIEKAL > > >On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> Turkish poetry has a very sophisticated sense of >> repetition, ear for cadences. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:16:23 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: what to do in case of biological attack Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/sound/LewisLaCook_Oil.mp3 http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:47:16 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--quietus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII quietus (kwy-EE-tuhs) noun 1. A final stroke that settles something. 2. Discharge from life; death. 3. A release from a duty or debt. [Short for Middle English quietus est (he is quit), a formula of discharge from a debt or other obligation, from Medieval Latin quietus est, from Latin, quietus, past participle of quiescere (to rest), from quies (rest, quiet).] The words acquit, quiet, quiescent, acquiesce, are some of the cousins of today's word, all descendants of the same common root. "It is not so much that writing provided an escape from the perils of the Revolution, but rather that the Revolution afforded a distraction from his inward soul-wrestling and austere studies and perpetual susceptibility to the lure of an easeful quietus." Andy Martin, Napoleon on Happiness, Raritan (New Brunswick, New Jersey), Spring 2000. "The irony is, of course, that the Curse will provide its own quietus and lead me to the peace I have so desperately sought." Michael Bywater, Not With a Whimper But With a Bang, Independent on Sunday (London, UK), May 19, 1996. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND "There's a Frog in My Throat! 440 Animal Sayings a Little Bird Told Me" Fun new idiom book! See it at http://loreenleedy.com or http://patstreet.com ............................................................................ Never bear more than one trouble at a time. Some people bear three kinds - all they have had, all they have now, and all they expect to have. -Edward Everett Hale, clergyman and author (1822-1909) Q: Tomorrow is my friend's birthday and I forgot to send her a gift. Help! A: How about the gift of words? A Word A Day, subscription: http://wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html A Word A Day, the book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20 Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/quietus.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/quietus.ram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:05:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: this normal morning In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this normal morning wider than that. =95 moment of truth -grabbing potential. =95 the Big=20= Bang- hundreds of towering explosions - troops in the whole=20 headline-grabbing potential. =95 adding: "Every fair-minded people - =20 loose of legs - And then - top science adviser said: "While=20 refraining from identifying Orwell's Newspeak. =95 going kinetic-=20 vertically envelop - the "weasel" - another Pentagon - the end of=20 gravity - shock disarm - Bush and Time magazine - a Middle East of=20 mass destruction - according to obligations under the axis of a stock=20 pile of epithets - grabbing potential. =95 cheese-eating surrender=20 monkeys - "Axis of impending shock=94 - abandoned normal diplomatic=20 efforts - President Bush putting a towering explosions in all of=20 Paris." =95 heard mumbling "axis of Nato is a failure" - The phrase for =20= non-resigning trustworthy fair-minded people - soft targets - an=20 original term used as a tower of explosions - Pentagon headline=20 grabbing potential. =95 resolution 1441 - the collection of gravity has=20= shifted, it does not have the center - like "I'm afraid of the axis my=20= any circumstances - buzzword for fear= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:09:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: It is difficult now to speak of poetry-- Comments: To: Scott Pound In-Reply-To: <008701c2ee27$bc3fd3b0$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Scott: Thanks for bringing Oppen back up out of the well. So appropriate. Also appreciated your teaching notes. I was in the Peace Corps teaching at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka between 65 -67. I wish everybody could/can have the profound experience of both hearing the indigenous - as awkward as that word sounds to say - and introducing anglo-irish-american poetry into another culture. Great for the ears, great for the soul. Most often everything gets released from its bearings and comes up - one culture's signs wrapping around another - with a whole new load of perceptions, argument and freight. A critical assemblage that can fly in the face of either indigenous orthodox critical interpretation. I think - this assemblage - is the genuine and most pleasure-full part of what may be called global modernity (or "post" if one wants to go there, as well). I stay in touch with my students, several of whom are now in America teaching in English and African Studies departments, unable to tolerate surviving in Nigeria. At the time I was teaching, Nigeria was on the terrible brink of the Biafran civil war. Keeps the senses highly tuned, plus an extraordinary adventure. Such as we're all in. Stephen Vincent on 3/19/03 6:56 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: > From Of Being Numerous > > 18 > > It is the air of atrocity > An event as ordinary > As a President > > A plume of smoke, visible at a distance > In which people burn. > > 19 > > Now in the helicopters the casual will > Is atrocious > > Insanity in high places, > If it is true we must do these things > We must cut our throats > > The fly in the bottle > > Insane, the insane fly > > Which, over the city > Is the bright light of shipwreck > > 27 > > It is difficult now to speak of poetry-- > > > > > > Scott Pound > Assistant Professor > Department of American Culture and Literature > Bilkent University > TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara > TURKEY > > +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) > +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) > +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) > > pounds@bilkent.edu.tr > http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:27:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: The Making of Anti-Americanism... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just keep Making 'em read the Making of A.... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:32:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: State Dept Advisory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This via Carrol Cox in ISU's English dept.. >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: State Dept Advisory >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:54:15 -0500 >From: Bob Broedel >Reply-To: Science for the People Discussion >List >To: SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE@LIST.UVM.EDU > >State Department Warns Americans Not To Act Like Americans >By R.O. Whatley (Washington, D.C.) > >In what is believed to be its strongest travel advisory ever, the U.S. >State Department warned Americans abroad not to act like Americans. The >advisory was issued simultaneously in Washington by State Department >spokesman Richard Boucher and in The Hague by a man who, in halting >Dutch, denied he was U.S. Ambassador Clifford Sobel. Unlike previous >alerts, which have warned Americans to keep a low profile or avoid >certain destinations, the new advisory notes that it is now unwise to >come across as American at all. As a result, the State Department >cautions U.S. citizens to avoid behavior that could cause them to be >singled out as obviously American. > >This includes: >- the weaning of white socks and tennis shoes. >- complaining if asked to share a bathroom. >- threatening to sue over bad service, television reception, > or weather > >In addition, U.S. citizens attempting to speak a foreign language are >urged to curb their Americanisms. > >For example: >Correct : Est-ce que vous l'avez aux autres couleurs? >Incorrect: Est-ce que vous, like, l'avez aux, like, autres > couleurs? > >The advisory immediately created turmoil overseas, particularly for U.S. >military personnel, who pretended to >be French and were forced to surrender. > >In an apparent response to heightened fears of terrorist attacks by >Islamic militants, the U.S. embassies in >Islamabad, Jakarta, Manila, Kuwait City, Riyadh, Bangkok, Saana and >Jordan were all proudly displaying the red, white and blue flag of >France. > >The alert also caused confusion at home, as it seems to contradict the >U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which has warned Americans not to >act un-American. In a press briefing this afternoon, White House >spokesman Ari Fleischer attempted to unravel the paradox. "What we are >saying is, when you are in America, you need to behave like an American, >particularly if you are not American...or are Colin Powell. But when >you are outside America, you should not behave like an American, unless >you are not American, in which case we urge you to act American. Here I >refer specifically to the NATO representatives from Germany, France, and >Belgium." > >The advisory," Fleischer added, "applies to all Americans, including >President Bush. When the President is traveling abroad, he will only >act American while aboard Air Force One or in the company of U.S. >media. At all other times, he will attempt to come across as Kosovian >or Grecian." > >Reached for comment in Brussels, U.S. Ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns >said, "Qing wen, ren min gong yuan zai na li?" _____________________________________________________ "But by a timely mixture of ignorance, thoughtlessness, forgetfulness of evil, hope of good, and a dash of delight, I bring relief from troubles...." --Desiderius Erasmus, The Praise of Folly Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:06:30 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: hennesy's plop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi can someone tell me where i can find hennesy's plop. i thought it was at UBU but i can't find it. also, any other quick easily downloadable poem animations for high school students welcome. thanks, kevin ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:50:34 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--quietus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My bare bodkins, what a revelation! Seriously though, I've just locked the ghosts Mr W. Shagspere and his son Hamnet (notice the spelling) in the cellar as they couldn't stop laughing but, although I like this little series of words of the day, don't you think that alleged poets might be acquainted with what are known as dictionaries, or even the soliloquies from roundabout 1603? All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.Angelo Hehir" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: A.Word.A.Day--quietus quietus (kwy-EE-tuhs) noun 1. A final stroke that settles something. 2. Discharge from life; death. 3. A release from a duty or debt. [Short for Middle English quietus est (he is quit), a formula of discharge from a debt or other obligation, from Medieval Latin quietus est, from Latin, quietus, past participle of quiescere (to rest), from quies (rest, quiet).] The words acquit, quiet, quiescent, acquiesce, are some of the cousins of today's word, all descendants of the same common root. "It is not so much that writing provided an escape from the perils of the Revolution, but rather that the Revolution afforded a distraction from his inward soul-wrestling and austere studies and perpetual susceptibility to the lure of an easeful quietus." Andy Martin, Napoleon on Happiness, Raritan (New Brunswick, New Jersey), Spring 2000. "The irony is, of course, that the Curse will provide its own quietus and lead me to the peace I have so desperately sought." Michael Bywater, Not With a Whimper But With a Bang, Independent on Sunday (London, UK), May 19, 1996. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND "There's a Frog in My Throat! 440 Animal Sayings a Little Bird Told Me" Fun new idiom book! See it at http://loreenleedy.com or http://patstreet.com ............................................................................ Never bear more than one trouble at a time. Some people bear three kinds - all they have had, all they have now, and all they expect to have. -Edward Everett Hale, clergyman and author (1822-1909) Q: Tomorrow is my friend's birthday and I forgot to send her a gift. Help! A: How about the gift of words? A Word A Day, subscription: http://wordsmith.org/awad/gift.html A Word A Day, the book: http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0471230324/ws00-20 Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/quietus.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/quietus.ram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:06:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: "Vernon Frazer" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Fw: Read This WHITEHOUSE.ORG Article IMMEDIATELY! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Rothenberg=20 To: Walter Blue=20 Cc: Walter Blue=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:48 PM Subject: Read This WHITEHOUSE.ORG Article IMMEDIATELY! you got to see this, Michael, forgive me for sending it Dear Friend - It is *imperative* that you read the following article = from the WHITEHOUSE.ORG web site: = http://www.whitehouse.org/initiatives/posters/index.asp - Don't delay! = Your patriotism is at stake! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:41:01 -0000 Reply-To: Robin Hamilton Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--quietus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit dave: > don't you think > that alleged poets might be acquainted with what are known as dictionaries, > or even the soliloquies from roundabout 1603? ... among the dictionaries Shakespeare might have read, we find: "quietus" [see below] ... Looks as if Bill the Bard might have been the first to use the term (metaphorically) as a discharge from the debts of life. At least, so the OED2(3) thinks. {Sorry -- couldn't resist this. } Robin (1) Florio (Florio 1598 @ 19306180) Qué to, quiet, whosht, still, at rest, si­ lent. Also a quietus est or generall dis­ charge. (2) Florio (Florio 1598 @ 19307429) Quietanza, as Quié te. Also a quietus est. (3) Minsheu (Minsheu 1599 @ 23813348) Finiqu['i]to, [m.] an acquittance to certifie debt discharged, a quietus est. (4) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 26992507) Abolition: [f.] [an abolishment, annihilation, abrogati­ on, extinguishment:] And in law, [The leaue giuen by the king, or iudges, vnto a criminal accuser, to desist from further persecution:] In Chancerie, [An absolute, or ge­ nerall, pardon.] [Abolition de creances, & vieilles scedules;] a ge­ nerall, release, [Quietus est], or forgiuenesse of olde debts. [Lettres d'abolition.] An absolute pardon graunted by the Prince vnto a whole Countrie, Towne, or Vil­ lage, that hath offended: ¶ [Nicot.] [Yet others, more ge­ nerally, meane by [Abolition,] any absolute or generall pardon.] (5) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 27085023) Acquit: [m.] [A discharge, acquittance, Quietus est, a de­ liuerie, dispatch, riddance, from a trouble, or charge.] [Droict d'acquit.] Looke [Droict.] [Par forme d'acquit seulement.] Sleightly, carelesly, onely for a fashion; more of necessitie, or for feare, then from the heart, or in any good will. (6) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 27525241) Appurer. [To cleanse, purge, clarifie, purifie.] [Appurer vn compte.] [To cleere an account, to passe a reckoning, to procure a Quietus est.] [Appurer vne debte.] [To discharge a debt.] (7) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 29366718) Composition: [f.] [A composition; making, framing; a confection, compositure; compounding; also, a worke, or booke, or the writing of a worke, or booke; also, an accord, composition, attonement, agreement; also, a [Quietus est,] or generall acquitance from the king to a Treasurer, & c.] (8) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 30198697) Descharge: [f.] [A discharge; acquitance; [Quietus-est.]] [Les descharges.] [Costs, and charges (in a suit.)] (9) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 36111943) Quiteur: [m.] [A quitter, acquiter, freer, discharger; one that giues an acquittance, or Quietus est.] (10) Cotgrave (Cotgrave 1611 @ 36112385) Quittus: [m.] [An Acquittance, or Quietus est.] (11) Blount (Blount 1656 @ 44111643) Quietus est, he is quiet or acquitted; it is commonly used for an acquittance or dis­ charge. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:11:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Palma Subject: Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46WD - *** It's not about oil or Iraq. It's about the US and Europe going head-to-head on world economic dominance. *** Summary: Why is George Bush so hell bent on war with Iraq? Why does his administration reject every positive Iraqi move? It all makes sense when you consider the economic implications for the USA of not going to war with Iraq. The war in Iraq is actually the US and Europe going head to head on economic leadership of the world. America's Bush administration has been caught in outright lies, gross exaggerations and incredible inaccuracies as it trotted out its litany of paper thin excuses for making war on Iraq. Along with its two supporters, Britain and Australia, it has shifted its ground and reversed its position with a barefaced contempt for its audience. It has manipulated information, deceived by commission and omission and frantically "bought" UN votes with billion dollar bribes. =46aced with the failure of gaining UN Security Council support for invading Iraq, the USA has threatened to invade without authorisation. It would act in breach of the UN's very constitution to allegedly enforced UN resolutions. It is plain bizarre. Where does this desperation for war come from? There are many things driving President Bush and his administration to invade Iraq, unseat Saddam Hussein and take over the country. But the biggest one is hidden and very, very simple. It is about the currency used to trade oil and consequently, who will dominate the world economically, in the foreseeable future -- the USA or the European Union. Iraq is a European Union beachhead in that confrontation. America had a monopoly on the oil trade, with the US dollar being the fiat currency, but Iraq broke ranks in 1999, started to trade oil in the EU's euros, and profited. If America invades Iraq and takes over, it will hurl the EU and its euro back into the sea and make America's position as the dominant economic power in the world all but impregnable. It is the biggest grab for world power in modern times. America's allies in the invasion, Britain and Australia, are betting America will win and that they will get some trickle-down benefits for jumping on to the US bandwagon. =46rance and Germany are the spearhead of the European force -- Russia would like to go European but possibly can still be bought off. Presumably, China would like to see the Europeans build a share of international trade currency ownership at this point while it continues to grow its international trading presence to the point where it, too, can share the leadership rewards. DEBATE BUILDING ON THE INTERNET Oddly, little or nothing is appearing in the general media about this issue, although key people are becoming aware of it -- note the recent slide in the value of the US dollar. Are traders afraid of war? They are more likely to be afraid there will not be war. But despite the silence in the general media, a major world discussion is developing around this issue, particularly on the internet. Among the many articles: Henry Liu, in the 'Asia Times' last June, it has been a hot topic on the Feasta forum, an Irish-based group exploring sustainable economics, and W. Clark's "The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War with Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth" has been published by the 'Sierra Times', 'Indymedia.org', and 'ratical.org'. This debate is not about whether America would suffer from losing the US dollar monopoly on oil trading -- that is a given -- rather it is about exactly how hard the USA would be hit. The smart money seems to be saying the impact would be in the range from severe to catastrophic. The USA could collapse economically. OIL DOLLARS The key to it all is the fiat currency for trading oil. Under an OPEC agreement, all oil has been traded in US dollars since 1971 (after the dropping of the gold standard) which makes the US dollar the de facto major international trading currency. If other nations have to hoard dollars to buy oil, then they want to use that hoard for other trading too. This fact gives America a huge trading advantage and helps make it the dominant economy in the world. As an economic bloc, the European Union is the only challenger to the USA's economic position, and it created the euro to challenge the dollar in international markets. However, the EU is not yet united behind the euro -- there is a lot of jingoistic national politics involved, not least in Britain -- and in any case, so long as nations throughout the world must hoard dollars to buy oil, the euro can make only very limited inroads into the dollar's dominance. In 1999, Iraq, with the world's second largest oil reserves, switched to trading its oil in euros. American analysts fell about laughing; Iraq had just made a mistake that was going to beggar the nation. But two years on, alarm bells were sounding; the euro was rising against the dollar, Iraq had given itself a huge economic free kick by switching. Iran started thinking about switching too; Venezuela, the 4th largest oil producer, began looking at it and has been cutting out the dollar by bartering oil with several nations including America's bete noir, Cuba. Russia is seeking to ramp up oil production with Europe (trading in euros) an obvious market. The greenback's grip on oil trading and consequently on world trade in general, was under serious threat. If America did not stamp on this immediately, this economic brushfire could rapidly be fanned into a wildfire capable of consuming the US's economy and its dominance of world trade. HOW DOES THE US GET ITS DOLLAR ADVANTAGE? Imagine this: you are deep in debt but every day you write cheques for millions of dollars you don't have -- another luxury car, a holiday home at the beach, the world trip of a lifetime. Your cheques should be worthless but they keep buying stuff because those cheques you write never reach the bank! You have an agreement with the owners of one thing everyone wants, call it petrol/gas, that they will accept only your cheques as payment. This means everyone must hoard your cheques so they can buy petrol/gas. Since they have to keep a stock of your cheques, they use them to buy other stuff too. You write a cheque to buy a TV, the TV shop owner swaps your cheque for petrol/gas, that seller buys some vegetables at the fruit shop, the fruiterer passes it on to buy bread, the baker buys some flour with it, and on it goes, round and round -- but never back to the bank. You have a debt on your books, but so long as your cheque never reaches the bank, you don't have to pay. In effect, you have received your TV free. This is the position the USA has enjoyed for 30 years -- it has been getting a free world trade ride for all that time. It has been receiving a huge subsidy from everyone else in the world. As it debt has been growing, it has printed more money (written more cheques) to keep trading. No wonder it is an economic powerhouse! Then one day, one petrol seller says he is going to accept another person's cheques, a couple of others think that might be a good idea. If this spreads, people are going to stop hoarding your cheques and they will come flying home to the bank. Since you don't have enough in the bank to cover all the cheques, very nasty stuff is going to hit the fan! But you are big, tough and very aggressive. You don't scare the other guy who can write cheques, he's pretty big too, but given a 'legitimate' excuse, you can beat the tripes out of the lone gas seller and scare him and his mates into submission. And that, in a nutshell, is what the USA is doing right now with Iraq. AMERICA'S PRECARIOUS ECONOMIC POSITION America is so eager to attack Iraq now because of the speed with which the euro fire could spread. If Iran, Venezuela and Russia join Iraq and sell large quantities of oil for euros, the euro would have the leverage it needs to become a powerful force in general international trade. Other nations would have to start swapping some of their dollars for euros. The dollars the USA has printed, the 'cheques' it has written, would start to fly home, stripping away the illusion of value behind them. The USA's real economic condition is about as bad as it could be; it is the most debt-ridden nation on earth, owing about US$12,000 for every single one of it's 280 million men, women and children. It is worse than the position of Indonesia when it imploded economically a few years ago, or more recently, that of Argentina. Even if OPEC did not switch to euros wholesale (and that would make a very nice non-oil profit for the OPEC countries, including minimising the various contrived debts America has forced on some of them), the US's difficulties would build. Even if only a small part of the oil trade went euro, that would do two things immediately: * Increase the attractiveness to EU members of joining the 'eurozone', which in turn would make the euro stronger and make it more attractive to oil nations as a trading currency and to other nations as a general trading currency. * Start the US dollars flying home demanding value when there isn't enough in the bank to cover them. * The markets would over-react as usual and in no time, the US dollar's value would be spiralling down. THE US SOLUTION America's response to the euro threat was predictable. It has come out fighting. It aims to achieve four primary things by going to war with Iraq: * Safeguard the American economy by returning Iraq to trading oil in US dollars, so the greenback is once again the exclusive oil currency. * Send a very clear message to any other oil producers just what will happen to them if they do not stay in the dollar circle. Iran has already received one message -- remember how puzzled you were that in the midst of moderation and secularization, Iran was named as a member of the axis of evil? * Place the second largest reserves of oil in the world under direct American control. * Provide a secular, subject state where the US can maintain a huge force (perhaps with nominal elements from allies such as Britain and Australia) to dominate the Middle East and its vital oil. This would enable the US to avoid using what it sees as the unreliable Turkey, the politically impossible Israel and surely the next state in its sights, Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of al Qaeda and a hotbed of anti-American sentiment. * Severe setback the European Union and its euro, the only trading bloc and currency strong enough to attack the USA's dominance of world trade through the dollar. * Provide cover for the US to run a covert operation to overturn the democratically elected government of Venezuela and replace it with an America-friendly military supported junta -- and put Venezuala's oil into American hands. Locking the world back into dollar oil trading would consolidate America's current position and make it all but impregnable as the dominant world power -- economically and militarily. A splintered Europe (the US is working hard to split Europe; Britain was easy, but other Europeans have offered support in terms of UN votes) and its euro would suffer a serious setback and might take decades to recover. It is the boldest grab for absolute power the world has seen in modern times. America is hardly likely to allow the possible slaughter of a few hundred thousand Iraqis stand between it and world domination. President Bush did promise to protect the American way of life. This is what he meant. JUSTIFYING WAR Obviously, the US could not simply invade Iraq, so it began casting around for a 'legitimate' reason to attack. That search has been one of increasing desperation as each rationalization has crumbled. First Iraq was a threat because of alleged links to al Qaeda; then it was proposed Iraq might supply al Qaeda with weapons; then Iraq's military threat to its neighbours was raised; then the need to deliver Iraqis from Saddam Hussein's horrendously inhumane rule; finally there is the question of compliance with UN weapons inspection. The USA's justifications for invading Iraq are looking less impressive by the day. The US's statements that it would invade Iraq unilaterally without UN support and in defiance of the UN make a total nonsense of any American claim that it is concerned about the world body's strength and standing. The UN weapons inspectors have come up with minimal infringements of the UN weapons limitations -- the final one being low tech rockets which exceed the range allowed by about 20 percent. But there is no sign of the so-called weapons of mass destruction (WMD) the US has so confidently asserted are to be found. Colin Powell named a certain north Iraqi village as a threat. It was not. He later admitted it was the wrong village. 'Newsweek' (24/2) has reported that while Bush officials have been trumpeting the fact that key Iraqi defector, Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel, told the US in 1995 that Iraq had manufactured tonnes of nerve gas and anthrax (Colin Powell's 5 February presentation to the UN was just one example) they neglected to mention that Kamel had also told the US that these weapons had been destroyed. Parts of the US and particularly the British secret 'evidence' have been shown to come from a student's masters thesis. America's expressed concern about the Iraqi people's human rights and the country's lack of democracy are simply not supported by the USA's history of intervention in other states nor by its current actions. Think Guatemala, the Congo, Chile and Nicaragua as examples of a much larger pool of US actions to tear down legitimate, democratically elected governments and replace them with war, disruption, starvation, poverty, corruption, dictatorships, torture, rape and murder for its own economic ends. The most recent, Afghanistan, is not looking good; in fact that reinstalled a murderous group of warlords which America had earlier installed, then deposed, in favour of the now hated Taliban. Saddam Hussein was just as repressive, corrupt and murderous 15 years ago when he used chemical weapons, supplied by the US, against the Kurds. The current US Secretary for Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, so vehement against Iraq now, was on hand personally to turn aside condemnation of Iraq and blame Iran. At that time, of course, the US thought Saddam Hussein was their man -- they were using him against the perceived threat of Iran's Islamic fundamentalism. Right now, as 'The Independent' writer, Robert Fisk, has noted, the US's efforts to buy Algeria's UN vote includes promises of re-arming the military which has a decade long history of repression, torture, rape and murder Saddam Hussein himself would envy. It is estimated 200,000 people have died, and countless others been left maimed by the activities of these monsters. What price the US's humanitarian concerns for Iraqis? (Of course, the French are also wooing Algeria, their former north African territory, for all they are worth, but at least they are not pretending to be driven by humanitarian concerns.) Indonesia is another nation with a vote and influence as the largest Muslim nation in the world. Its repressive, murderous military is regaining strength on the back of the US's so-called anti-terror campaign and is receiving promises of open and covert support -- including intelligence sharing. AND VENEZUELA While the world's attention is focused on Iraq, America is both openly and covertly supporting the "coup of the rich" in Venezuela, which grabbed power briefly in April last year before being intimidated by massive public displays of support by the poor for democratically-elected President Chavez =46rias. The coup leaders continue to use their control of the private media= , much of industry and the ear of the American Government and its oily intimates to cause disruption and disturbance. Venezuela's state-owned oil resources would make rich pickings for American oil companies and provide the US with an important oil source in its own backyard. Many writers have noted the contradiction between America's alleged desire to establish democracy in Iraq while at the same time, actively undermining the democratically-elected government in Venezuela. Above the line, America rushed to recognise the coup last April; more recently, President Bush has called for "early elections", ignoring the fact that President Chavez Frias has won three elections and two referendums and, in any case, early elections would be unconstitutional. One element of the USA's covert action against Venezuela is the behaviour of American transnational businesses, which have locked out employees in support of "national strike" action. Imagine them doing that in the USA! There is no question that a covert operation is in process to overturn the legitimate Venezuelan government. Uruguayan congressman, Jose Nayardi, made it public when he revealed that the Bush administration had asked for Uruguay's support for Venezuelan white collar executives and trade union activists "to break down levels of intransigence within the Chavez Frias administration". The process, he noted, was a shocking reminder of the CIA's 1973 intervention in Chile which saw General Pinochet lead his military coup to take over President Allende's democratically elected government in a bloodbath. President Chavez Frias is desperately clinging to government, but with the might of the USA aligned with his opponents, how long can he last? THE COST OF WAR Some have claimed that an American invasion of Iraq would cost so many billions of dollars that oil returns would never justify such an action. But when the invasion is placed in the context of the protection of the entire US economy for now and into the future, the balance of the argument changes. =46urther, there are three other vital factors: =46irst, America will be asking others to help pay for the war because it is protecting their interests. Japan and Saudi Arabia made serious contributions to the cost of the 1991 Gulf war. Second -- in reality, war will cost the USA very little -- or at least, very little over and above normal expenditure. This war is already paid for! All the munitions and equipment have been bought and paid for. The USA would have to spend hardly a cent on new hardware to prosecute this war -- the expenditure will come later when munitions and equipment have to be replaced after the war. But munitions, hardware andso on are being replaced all the time -- contracts are out. Some contracts will simply be brought forward and some others will be ramped up a bit, but spread over a few years, the cost will not be great. And what is the real extra cost of an army at war compared with maintaining the standing army around the world, running exercises and so on? It is there, but it is a relatively small sum. Third -- lots of the extra costs involved in the war are dollars spent outside America, not least in the purchase of fuel. Guess how America will pay for these? By printing dollars it is going to war to protect. The same happens when production begins to replace hardware. components, minerals, etc. are bought in with dollars that go overseas and exploit America's trading advantage. The cost of war is not nearly as big as it is made out to be. The cost of not going to war would be horrendous for the USA -- unless there were another way of protecting the greenback's world trade dominance. AMERICA'S TWO ACTIVE ALLIES Why are Australia and Britain supporting America in its transparent Iraqi war ploy? Australia, of course, has significant US dollar reserves and trades widely in dollars and extensively with America. A fall in the US dollar would reduce Australia's debt, perhaps, but would do nothing for the Australian dollar's value against other currencies. John Howard, the Prime Minister, has long cherished the dream of a free trade agreement with the USA in the hope that Australia can jump on the back of the free ride America gets in trade through the dollar's position as the major trading medium. That would look much less attractive if the euro took over a significant part of the oil trade. Britain has yet to adopt the euro. If the US takes over Iraq and blocks the euro's incursion into oil trading, Tony Blair will have given his French and German counterparts a bloody nose, and gained more room to manouevre on the issue -- perhaps years more room. Britain would be in a position to demand a better deal from its EU partners for entering the "eurozone" if the new currency could not make the huge value gains guaranteed by a significant role in world oil trading. It might even be in a position to withdraw from Europe and link with America against continental Europe. On the other hand, if the US cannot maintain the oil trade dollar monopoly, the euro will rapidly go from strength to strength, and Britain could be left begging to be allowed into the club. THE OPPOSITION Some of the reasons for opposition to the American plan are obvious -- America is already the strongest nation on earth and dominates world trade through its dollar. If it had control of the Iraqi oil and a base for its forces in the Middle East, it would not add to, but would multiply its power. The oil-producing nations, particularly the Arab ones, can see the writing on the wall and are quaking in their boots. =46rance and Germany are the EU leaders with the vision of a resurgent, unit= ed Europe taking its rightful place in the world and using its euro currency as a world trading reserve currency and thus gaining some of the free ride the United States enjoys now. They are the ones who initiated the euro oil trade with Iraq. Russia is in deep economic trouble and knows it will get worse the day America starts exploiting its take-over of Afghanistan by running a pipeline southwards via Afghanistan from the giant southern Caspian oil fields. Currently, that oil is piped northwards -- where Russia has control. Russia is in the process of ramping up oil production with the possibility of trading some of it for euros and selling some to the US itself. Russia already has enough problems with the fact that oil is traded in US dollars; if the US has control of Iraqi oil, it could distort the market to Russia's enormous disadvantage. In addition, Russia has interests in Iraqi oil; an American take over could see them lost. Already on its knees, Russia could be beggared before a mile of the Afghanistan pipeline is laid. ANOTHER SOLUTION? The scenario clarifies the seriousness of America's position and explains its frantic drive for war. It also suggests that solutions other than war are possible. Could America agree to share the trading goodies by allowing Europe to have a negotiated part of it? Not very likely, but it is just possible Europe can stare down the USA and force such an outcome. Time will tell. What about Europe taking the statesmanlike, humanitarian and long view, and withdrawing, leaving the oil to the US, with appropriate safeguards for ordinary Iraqis and democracy in Venezuela? Europe might then be forced to adopt a smarter approach -- perhaps accelerating the development of alternative energy technologies which would reduce the EU's reliance on oil for energy and produce goods it could trade for euros -- shifting the world trade balance. Now that would be a very positive outcome for everyone. =2E . . . Geoffrey Heard is a Melbourne, Australia, writer on the environment, sustainability and human rights. . . . . Geoffrey Heard =A9 2003. Anyone is free to circulate this document provided = it is complete and in its current form with attribution and no payment is asked. It is prohibited to reproduce this document or any part of it for commercial gain without the prior permission of the author. For such permission, contact the author at gheard@surf.net.au. SOME REFERENCES AND FURTHER INFORMATION: http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth' by W. Clark, January 2003 (revised 20 February), Independent Media Center, www.indymedia.org http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=3D28334 This war is about more than oil. OIL DOLLARS!!!! DOLLARS, THE EURO AND WAR IN IRAQ. This story is based on material posted by Richard Douthwaite on the =46EASTA list in Ireland. http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1550023_comment.php#1551138 USA intelligence agencies revealed in plot to oust Venezuela's President http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=3Darticle&node=3D&contentI= d ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:13:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barbara Henning Subject: remove In-Reply-To: <200303190006.18VvMa1vO3Nl3sj0@runyon.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please remove me from the list ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:19:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Duane Tucker Subject: Re: remove MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not the list. You've sent this to an individual who just signed up for it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Henning" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:13 AM Subject: remove > Please remove me from the list ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:31:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: POETS WITH BLOGS LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are plenty of others no doubt, please feel free to send them along to be included in an updated version of the list. And thank you to everyone who sent in their Blogs to be listed, along with their favorites by other poets. Brandon Barr http://texturl.net/ Jim Behrle http://koolpoetix.blogspot.com/ Caterina http:www.caterina.net/ Josh Corey http://joshcorey.blogspot.com/ Cori http://littleshirleybean.blogspot.com/ Jordan Davis http://equanimity.blogspot.com/ Alan de Niro http://ptarmigan.blogspot.com/ Joseph Duemer http://rw.blogspot.com/ John Erhardt http://johnerhardt.blogspot.com/ Ryan Fitzpatrick http://processdocuments.blogspot.com/ Drew Gardner http://drewgardner.blogspot.com/ Nada Gordon http://ululate.blogspot.com/ Daphne Gottlieb http://www.livejournal.com/users/whythingsburn Henry Gould http://hgpoetics.blogspot.com/ Gariel Gudding http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ Kali Gura http://gura.blogspot.com/ David Henry http://www.btinternet.com/~granite1/ David Hess http://heathensinheat.blogspot.com/ Jack Kimball http://pantaloons.blogspot.com/ Anastasios Kozaitis http://ineluctablemaps.blogspot.com/ Laurable http://www.laurable.com/log/ Lester http://lesters.blogspot.com/ Judy MacDonald http://rrrart.blogspot.com/ Joseph Massey http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ Jonathan Mayhew http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ Andrew Mister http://minorsky.blogspot.com/ Kasey Silem Mohammad http://limetree.blogspot.com/ Hugh Nicoll http://radio.weblogs.com/0101782/ 9for9 http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ Erin Noteboom http://www.sitehouse.net/vivid/index.shtml Katherine Parrish http://www.meadow4.com/squish/ Nick Piombino http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ Angela Rawlings http://www.community.net/her/ Ron Silliman http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Sandra Simonds http://www.sandrasimonds.blogspot.com/ Brian Kim Stefans http://www.arras.net/weblog/ Gary Sullivan http://garysullivan.blogspot.com/ Eileen Tabios http://winepoetics.blogspot.com/ Robert Stanton http://robstantonissue.blogspot.com/ Jill Walker http://huminf.uib.no/~jill/ Heriberto Yepez http://thetijuanabibleofpoetics.blogspot.com/ Stephanie Young http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com/ Komnino Zervos http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:42:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: Re: State Dept Advisory In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030319113114.012dd640@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a joke? PLEASE? -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Gabriel Gudding Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:32 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: State Dept Advisory This via Carrol Cox in ISU's English dept.. >-------- Original Message -------- >Subject: State Dept Advisory >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:54:15 -0500 >From: Bob Broedel >Reply-To: Science for the People Discussion >List >To: SCIENCE-FOR-THE-PEOPLE@LIST.UVM.EDU > >State Department Warns Americans Not To Act Like Americans >By R.O. Whatley (Washington, D.C.) > >In what is believed to be its strongest travel advisory ever, the U.S. >State Department warned Americans abroad not to act like Americans. The >advisory was issued simultaneously in Washington by State Department >spokesman Richard Boucher and in The Hague by a man who, in halting >Dutch, denied he was U.S. Ambassador Clifford Sobel. Unlike previous >alerts, which have warned Americans to keep a low profile or avoid >certain destinations, the new advisory notes that it is now unwise to >come across as American at all. As a result, the State Department >cautions U.S. citizens to avoid behavior that could cause them to be >singled out as obviously American. > >This includes: >- the weaning of white socks and tennis shoes. >- complaining if asked to share a bathroom. >- threatening to sue over bad service, television reception, > or weather > >In addition, U.S. citizens attempting to speak a foreign language are >urged to curb their Americanisms. > >For example: >Correct : Est-ce que vous l'avez aux autres couleurs? >Incorrect: Est-ce que vous, like, l'avez aux, like, autres > couleurs? > >The advisory immediately created turmoil overseas, particularly for U.S. >military personnel, who pretended to >be French and were forced to surrender. > >In an apparent response to heightened fears of terrorist attacks by >Islamic militants, the U.S. embassies in >Islamabad, Jakarta, Manila, Kuwait City, Riyadh, Bangkok, Saana and >Jordan were all proudly displaying the red, white and blue flag of >France. > >The alert also caused confusion at home, as it seems to contradict the >U.S. Department of Homeland Security, which has warned Americans not to >act un-American. In a press briefing this afternoon, White House >spokesman Ari Fleischer attempted to unravel the paradox. "What we are >saying is, when you are in America, you need to behave like an American, >particularly if you are not American...or are Colin Powell. But when >you are outside America, you should not behave like an American, unless >you are not American, in which case we urge you to act American. Here I >refer specifically to the NATO representatives from Germany, France, and >Belgium." > >The advisory," Fleischer added, "applies to all Americans, including >President Bush. When the President is traveling abroad, he will only >act American while aboard Air Force One or in the company of U.S. >media. At all other times, he will attempt to come across as Kosovian >or Grecian." > >Reached for comment in Brussels, U.S. Ambassador to NATO Nicholas Burns >said, "Qing wen, ren min gong yuan zai na li?" _____________________________________________________ "But by a timely mixture of ignorance, thoughtlessness, forgetfulness of evil, hope of good, and a dash of delight, I bring relief from troubles...." --Desiderius Erasmus, The Praise of Folly Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:20:35 -0500 Reply-To: adlevy@slought.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Levy Organization: Slought Foundation Subject: Thursday: Rabate, Romberg, Margolis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us for: "Art versus Philosophy: A Debate"=20 A Slought Foundation Public Conversation and Debate with: Joseph Margolis & Osvaldo Romberg; Moderated by Jean-Michel Rabat=E9=20 Thursday March 20, 2003; 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm=20 Information online: = http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1148 This event will be recorded; Event is free to the public.=20 For more information, contact: Aaron Levy, Series Curator SLOUGHT FOUNDATION 4017 Walnut Street Philadelphia PA 19104-3513 Ph/fax: 215.746.4239 info@slought.org http://slought.org/ Biographies: Joseph Margolis is Laura H. Carnell Professor of Philosophy at Temple University and is the author of about 30 books comparing and addressing the arts, philosophy and the sciences. He is past president of the American Society for Aesthetics and past Honorary President of the International Association of Aesthetics.=20 Osvaldo Romberg, an internationally renowned artist, was born in Buenos Aires in 1938. He is currently a professor at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts, Philadelphia. Select exhibition venues include: Kunsthistoriches Museum, Vienna; Kunstmuseum, Bonn; Ludwig Museum, Cologne; Sudo Museum, Tokyo; The Israel Museum, Jerusalem; The Jewish Museum, New York; and the XLI Venice Biennial, Israel Pavilion. He recently curated shows on Faith at the Aldrich Museum and on Urbanism at White Box, New York. He was recently the subject of a Slought Networks conference at the University of Pennsylvania, archived online alongside a survey of his work, as well as a volume of critical essays, Searching for Romberg (Slought Books, 2001).=20 Jean-Michel Rabat=E9, Professor of English and Comparative Literature at the University of Pennsylvania since 1992, has authored or edited twenty books on Modernism, Joyce, Pound, Beckett, Lacan, Derrida, psychoanalysis and literary theory. Among these, Lacan in America (2000), Jacques Lacan: Psychoanalysis and the subject of literature (2001), James Joyce and the Politics of Egoism (2001), and The Future of Theory (2002). He is the editor of the Cambridge Guide to Jacques Lacan (2002).=20 --- Slought Foundation provides visionary artists and curators with resources for innovative events and exhibitions. We encourage new discursive futures for contemporary life through critical theory and dialogue about art.=20 Archival Interface (newly augmented): http://slought.org/ Aaron Levy Executive Director / Curator Slought Foundation 4017 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-3513 215.746.4239 http://slought.org/ =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:02:28 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: hennesy's plop In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7ED7657C; boundary="=======6EB03099=======" --=======6EB03099======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7ED7657C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 03:36 AM 20/03/03, you wrote: >hi can someone tell me where i can find hennesy's plop. i thought it was >at UBU but i can't find it. > >also, any other quick easily downloadable poem animations for high school >students welcome. > >thanks, >kevin try http://www.uq.net.au/~zzkozerv/work.html animated gif poetry komninos >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======6EB03099======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7ED7657C Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 --=======6EB03099=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:08:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: From the Guardian in Bagdad/ Read & MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Suddenly, the war becomes a reality Suzanne Goldenberg in Baghdad Wednesday March 19, 2003 The Guardian Reality finally came to Baghdad yesterday. Overnight, sandbags sprouted on football fields and roundabouts. In the evening the authorities rustled up yet another peace demonstration. The number of fatal car accidents seemed to surge, with drivers in a panic to get home, or to get out. Chemists sold out of valium. Queues at petrol stations broadened and lengthened in a country where fuel is ridiculously cheap and plentiful. The price of mineral water doubled. Tinned foods and packaged soups disappeared from supermarket shelves. Young couples rushed to get engaged. Workers stored the files and fixtures from Iraqi government office buildings. Although Iraqis have talked of little else but war since last September - when it would break out, how long it would last, would their soldiers fight or flee, would Saddam Hussein let his grandchildren be slaughtered in a final stand - it never seemed entirely real. Until yesterday morning, that is, when news spread of President George Bush's speech to the Americans. After months of waiting and worry the prospect of imminent attack was here, all too suddenly, and horribly real. In the kitchen of the Abdel Hamid family you could see it had arrived. A young boy, Amr, was making his own final preparations for the onslaught. He was performing the last rites of a four-year-old. In his hand he brandished a plastic gun. Whacking the ammunition clip into the toy, he held it to his stomach and put on a fierce expression. Then he raised it to the heads of the surrounding adults. "Where are my bullets?" he screamed. Baghdadis have lived with the threat so long now that they have become used to burying their fears. One technique is to recount their survival stories of other US and British bombardments: in 1991, after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, in 1993, and again in 1998. But by yesterday morning, as President Bush made plain, less than 48 hours remained, and it was becoming impossible to hang on to those earlier delusions. Even the weapons inspectors were now all making their getaway. On the runway of Saddam airport, an old soldier in an elegant dark suit and red tie shepherded the weapons experts and remaining UN staff on to a dilapidated green and white Iraqi Airways bus and towards the aircraft waiting to take them to Cyprus. At 10am a vehicle pulled up to the side of the building. "All loaded up," the driver said. Geoffrey Beaumont, the deputy director of the inspectors, was outwardly calm. "People are sad because they have put their hearts and souls and blood and tears into this. They worked bloody hard, and let's face it, no one wants war." In neighbourhoods like Amr's all over Baghdad, they are dreading the next few days. People are exhausted before it has even begun. Amr's mother, Myasaa Abdel Hamid, is four months' pregnant and bone tired. "I've started talking to him about the war during these last few days," she said. "I told him, 'If you hear loud noises outside the house, don't worry, they aren't coming in.' "But he doesn't really get it. He wants to know why there is going to be a war. He wants to know what Bush looks like. He wants to know if Bush is very angry with us. He wants to know if Bush has planes and guns. "I tell him, 'Bush has everything'." As the weapons inspectors went through their departure formalities, Myasaa used the morning for her own, grown-up's last rites. She put a web of masking tape over the kitchen window in the hope of stopping the glass being shattered by the vibrations of nearby bombs, and piled mattresses and pillows in a ground-floor room, which is seen as a safer sleeping quarters than the first floor. A nephew arrived with cartons of fruit juice to add to the supplies stored in an outdoor shed. The neighbours revved up their generator for a test run, and Myasaa pumped an exploratory trickle out of the tube well recently dug at her doorstep. The only thing left for her to do now is cry when the bombs start dropping, she said. The only thing left for Mr Beaumont to do yesterday was to depart, on the last UN plane out of Baghdad. As UN staff and weapons experts assembled at the airport, with the occasional tennis racket sticking out of their anonymous luggage, the inspectors were just beginning to take in the fact that it was all over. "I really thought this would go on and on," one inspector said. "It was a unanimous decision of the security council to have inspections, and I thought that meant something." Others said they were convinced almost until the end that the world would take note of the efforts of the chief inspectors, Hans Blix and Mohamed El Baradei. They left maintaining that they could have done the job of disarming Iraq, if only America and Britain had given them more time. "Blix gave me all the energy to feel, "Yeah, we have a job to do,'" one inspector said. His companion added: "We worked yesterday, and we would have worked today. There was real commitment, let me tell you." In the end though, none of it mattered. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:14:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: hennesy's plop In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030320070015.00a38050@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AFTER EMMETT a dispersion of ninetiles by mIEKAL aND http://cla.umn.edu/joglars/afteremmett/bonvoyage.html > At 03:36 AM 20/03/03, you wrote: > >> hi can someone tell me where i can find hennesy's plop. i thought it >> was >> at UBU but i can't find it. >> >> also, any other quick easily downloadable poem animations for high >> school >> students welcome. >> >> thanks, >> kevin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:33:16 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: hennesy's plop In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030320070015.00a38050@mail02.domino.gu.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5CB3481; boundary="=======2B65637B=======" --=======2B65637B======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5CB3481; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.thylazine.org/archive1/thyla6/thyla6f.html your students might find this useful also,an essay about animated poetry with animated examples. komninos At 07:02 AM 20/03/03, you wrote: >At 03:36 AM 20/03/03, you wrote: > >>hi can someone tell me where i can find hennesy's plop. i thought it was >>at UBU but i can't find it. >> >>also, any other quick easily downloadable poem animations for high school >>students welcome. >> >>thanks, >>kevin > >try >http://www.uq.net.au/~zzkozerv/work.html > >animated gif poetry >komninos > > >>--- >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > >komninos zervos >lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major >School of Arts >Griffith University >Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 >Gold Coast Campus >Parkwood >PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre >Queensland 9726 >Australia >Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 >homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos >broadband experiments: >http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs >audioblog >http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======2B65637B======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5CB3481 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Patrick Herron patrick@proximate.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:30:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Poems by others: Susan Howe, "Six Poems from a Work in Progress" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Six Poems from a Work in Progress Trench letters do get used eventually for poetry you long history of nihilism Get ready to advance don't everyone rattle camouflage as if we are nothing only company dive-bomb anxiety A few persistent "islands" of half inaudible whispers jabbing the radioman Lethe Photographs are very like crossing the no-sail zone Periscopes screens filters no unused boots with me I come home my dear mother he wrote such harks each amok embrasure an outlook bunker I can fact the world-facts go burrowing after statistics Realism all that fantasia The hark of his attention has no battle-dreams now nor severe astasia-abasia nor possible peace negotiation nor newsreel shots crossing to our civilian situation nerves are in perfect order Sea-drift the cry ice-floe he is out with his wiring-party Meantime incendiary weapons Among the level down go crash men flitting Where are you whine shells Scatter I see sentries Up to the neck in war O patiently people being blown to bits one hand clutching bandages next bit *Proverbs* and byword Language of escalation this pun assembles down Nominated as President by dream-consciousness a cup and saucer dream in three collated lectures signed by Amundsen saying he did reach the Pole an aftermath of fatigue postwar period from its own wreck spoil Before in the Dardanelles taking off Sam Browne belt Might solve sleeplessness thus in my own Presidency To be brief Kant's theory of long run wars to hysteria shock and projectile cycle viz mimetic character until a day is filled with night night with doubt with doubt Tense armies immemorial soil reverberation of artillery I equate will and instinct with the other plot Europe Cold marches with soldiers abreast you cold Predicate --Susan Howe fr. *Artes: An International Reader of Literature Art and Music*, 1996 Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:00:07 -0500 Reply-To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Poem for my brother MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WITHOUT CONCLUSION What it says and nothing more slips in its =93peaceful entry of force=94 simply to display what still rolls its presses of a will to deceive and be itself deceived=2E In the middle of the poem Joyce=92s compliment: =93Not even at work and already writing notes=2E So organized=2E=94 Not a word I=92d have chosen=2E Reduced scope of any single act today=2E Scribble on the sidewalk in chalk what the military server bounced: =93For you, dear Quinton, peace=2E And peace to whom you=92d kill, peace to those who aim at you=2E=94 But to one who makes the rolling unsay all: may you never rest again=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:32:22 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: phjlosophy foe beginners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit these chords, my simulated heart, make my father die while crying for a day. these chords, a little warzone, pities the wife and child, the people. these days, the night has a fat moonlight building to the end of time. time ends today. these chords are correct and lurching, breaking the afternoon into shards for evening's sake. why talk, the world is a bomb. my bomb loves my wife and child, and dad's a good gentle man. do you love the bland fog of last night, and how the morning was deftly quiet, no explosions or tearing noise? our changes are crude indications of some fiery element called a final chord. that chord is voiced for seasons and the glinting ray. spring starts early, in our very day, and we feel no loss whatsoever. we've got this elegant charge and start. look how vocal one can be, words all around. these chords, brusque and diffident, in the age that wears on us, says these seasons and these trysts. I love my wife, my son, my father and my light. we should all be together. good night in love extending thru the doors and windows to the very night abroad. we are soaring chords alone. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:20:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Christopher W. Alexander" Subject: it's begun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's just after 6:00 AM in Baghdad. The first missiles have hit - something. FOX News is saying they were directed at a "leadership target" and a "target of opportunity." I suppose that must have been some buildings with people in them. ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:28:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: AMERICA IS DEAD In-Reply-To: <664688.3257101205@ny-chicagostreet2c-87.buf.adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FIRST GOD, THEN THE AUTHOR, NOW... THE FIRST TWO WERE LIBERATING. THE THIRD TIME IS A, WELL... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:56:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Concerned Korea Scholars / Demos Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For those of you who will be in New York and are concerned abt U.S. policy toward the next moment along the "axis of evil," I forward below the statement of purpose and announcement of the inaugural meeting of the newly formed Committee of Concerned Korea Scholars. For further information, the e-mail address of Charles Armstrong, a North Korean specialist who teaches modern Korean history and political science at Columbia, is . Unlike the recent symposium here at UCLA on the North Korean "nuclear challenge," this committee (see the roster below) is not mainly filled with stooges from right-wing ditz tanks and (barely) resuscitated Cold War Asia-hands. Listening to King Gorge now...even the Pacifica reporters repeating w/o contention phrases like "surgical strike," "precision targeted," "liberty shield," "35 countries".... But I trust they will--without KPFK what cd I listen to.... Impeach the FCC.... In 1987, I was in Seoul when over a million people flooded into the streets and brought down another imposter, Chun Du-hwan (the general responsible for the massacre at Kwangju). It only took seven years. It gives me hope, as does growing up during the anti-Vietnam War movement. Even the disgustingly cynical CBS News podunks I was working w got so inspired they leapt onto the demonstrators' loudspeaker trucks to show their support. (I don't think they let Dan Rather see that tape!) Yes, the situations are different, but... Incredible energy among the completely rain-soaked 10,000 demonstrators (police sd a few hundred, no TV vans) in downtown L.A. last Saturday. Hardest rain I've seen since the El Nino of '98 and everyone kept shouting, holding the "Impeach Bush" banners aloft, drumming away on their plastic pails. Speaker: "What a BEAUTIFUL day in L.A.!" Another: "Let peace RAIN down on the world!" But what writers and intellectuals need to help supply is a new ideology too (and I don't mean this in the negative sense of perpetual veil over the real relations of production). Deconstruction didn't stop anything, although I probably once liked it as much as anyone on this list did. Just another old tool, among many others, in a pouch shot full of holes. --Walter K. Lew >On behalf of the Organizing Committee, I would like to invite you to >attend the inaugural meeting of the Committee of Concerned Korea >Scholars (CCKS), a new organization of US-based Korea >specialists dedicated to promoting a more accurate understanding of >Korea in the United States, facilitating cooperation and scholarly >exchange between the US and the DPRK (North Korea), and contributing >to the positive development of US-Korean relations. The meeting will >take place on Saturday, March 29th, at 8:30 PM in the Columbia >University East Asian Institute Common Room, 918 International >Affairs Building, 420 West 118th Street (corner of Amsterdam >Avenue), 9th Floor, New York, NY 10027. Please find our statement of >purpose below. > >Sincerely, > >Charles K. Armstrong > > >Committee of Concerned Korea Scholars >Statement of Purpose > >March 2003 > >We, scholars of Korea working in the United States, gather together >out of concern about current US policies toward the Korean >peninsula. We feel the responsibility to speak out against policies >that increase tensions in the Northeast Asian region and may lead to >another disastrous war in Korea. We believe the current problems on >the Korean peninsula and between the US and Korea can only be solved >through dialogue, cooperation, and the active pursuit of peace. We >wish to add our voices to a constructive debate and dialogue on how >to achieve a peaceful, unified Korea existing in harmony with its >neighbors, including the United States. > >The Committee of Concerned Korea Scholars (CCKS) is dedicated to the >promotion of mutual understanding between the people of the United >States and the people of Korea, both North and South. In particular, >we wish to facilitate contact and the exchange of information and >scholarship between the United States and the Democratic People’s >Republic of Korea (DPRK). We wish to challenge and offer an >alternative to the prevailing views of the DPRK in the United >States, views often based more on prejudice and stereotype than on >reality. Therefore the activities of the CCKS include the following: >1) helping scholars, students and the general public in the United >States learn about Korea, especially the DPRK, in ways more deeply >informed and balanced than is often found in the mainstream American >media; >2) facilitate the exchange of scholars and students between the US >and the DPRK; >3) contribute to the constructive and peaceful development of >US-Korea relations > >We meet at a critical moment in US-Korea relations. As scholars >specializing in Korea, we recognize the consequences and political >repercussions of our research and public statements. Our >organization is designed to contribute to an American policy toward >Korea that is informed, humane, and in the mutual interest of both >societies. > > >CCKS Organizing Committee: > >Charles K. Armstrong (Columbia University) >Henry H. Em (University of Michigan) >Namhee Lee (UCLA) >Jae-Jung Suh (Cornell University) >Gi-wook Shin (Stanford University) >Nancy Abelmann (University of Illinois) >Martin Hart-Landsberg (Lewis and Clark College) >John Feffer (Foreign Policy in Focus) >Ji-Yeon Yuh (Northwestern University) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:37:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: "defending civilization" (the new fifth column) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII "Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America, and What Can Be Done About It" (American Council of Trustees and Alumni, November 2001) http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2002/images/lclist/traitor_academics.pdf I for one was not aware of this horrific little document, which came to me by way of the whitehouse.org satirical site but is quite legit. (The American Council of Trustees and Alumni was founded by Lynne Cheney and Joe Lieberman in 1995. See "Lynne Cheney-Joe Lieberman Group Puts Out a Blacklist" by Roberto J. Gonzalez [http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1213-05.htm].) "Defending Civilization," while making noises about upholding free speech, clearly implies that only traitors make statements like these: "We have to learn to use courage for peace instead of war" (Jerry Irish, Professor of Religious Studies, Pomona College). "[O]ur security can only come by using our national wealth, not for guns, planes, and bombs, but for the health and welfare of our people, and for people suffering in other countries" (Howard Zinn). "If Osama Bin Laden is confirmed to be behind the attacks, the United States should bring him before an international tribunal on charges of crimes against humanity" (Joel Beinin, Professor of Middle East Studies at Stanford and President of the Middle East Studies Association). The ACTA ideological stance is one that may shed light on why the FBI has been targeting university professors and graduate students, as with the recent raid at the University of Idaho and the persecution of Sami Amin Al-Arian at the University of South Florida and Bashir Musa Mohammed Nafim, who teaches at Birkbeck College, University of London. Departments of Middle Eastern Studies and the Middle Eastern Studies Association are under particularly hostile scrutiny; see the website for Campus Watch: Monitoring Middle East Studies on Campus (www.campus-watch.org), and in particular Leslie Carbone's "Terror's Academic Sympathizers" from 9 December 2002 (http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/384). One important context for this sort of activity is the crusade to promote the notion of a "crisis in the humanities" and to establish "academic change organizations and networks whose fundamental mission is to 'take back' the universities from scholars and academic programs regarded either as too hostile to free markets or too critical of the values and history of Western civilization" ("Targeting the Academy," http://www.mediatransparency.org/targeting_academy.htm) -- a crusade that Lynne Cheney has helped to lead. The president of one such organization, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, claimed a decade ago that "the conservative movement is now mature enough to sustain a counteroffensive on that last Leftist redoubt, the college campus" ("Targeting the Academy"). Now that the conservatives are riding tall in the saddle, it seems that this "counteroffensive" has been launched in earnest, and launched against what they can now claim is a fifth column. :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 02:22:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: AAB OAMO, OAAAAA MAMMAM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII === AAB OAMO, OAAAAA MAMMAM AAB/AA/OAMO MAMMAM MBAOBBOAAA, AOMBOAO, BABOM MAM, OAMO MAMMAM, OAMO BABOM MAMMAM AOAM MAOAM MAOMA OMOOM AOMA, OAMO M AMAOAA MAAAMAAAAMMAB AMBA BM BOOO AAAMMMOB OA BA BMA BOBO OAMA. 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Bush tried to sell Americans on a war with Iraq by little doubt that a war with Iraq is imminent. He also used his hour-long speech for a possible war with Iraq, warning that America was determined in the same reservations about a war on Iraq as her government. "politics may catastrophically fail - either with war on Iraq or later with possiblility of an upcoming war in Iraq," she said about a possible US-led war with Iraq. but I'm the same reservations about a war on Iraq as her government. politics may catastrophically fail - either with war on Iraq or later Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq. "how many people died" during the war with Iraq and the question has images now, as a future war in Iraq grows more likely every passing day. Yay! the clouds of war are storming, bomb Iraq. === ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:52:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: POETS WITH BLOGS LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit o fnote: angela rawlings blog is at www.commutiny.net/her ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:31 AM Subject: POETS WITH BLOGS LIST > There are plenty of others no doubt, please feel free to send them along to be included in an updated version of the list. And thank you to everyone who sent in their Blogs to be listed, along with their favorites by other poets. > > Brandon Barr > http://texturl.net/ > > Jim Behrle > http://koolpoetix.blogspot.com/ > > Caterina > http:www.caterina.net/ > > Josh Corey > http://joshcorey.blogspot.com/ > > Cori > http://littleshirleybean.blogspot.com/ > > Jordan Davis > http://equanimity.blogspot.com/ > > Alan de Niro > http://ptarmigan.blogspot.com/ > > Joseph Duemer > http://rw.blogspot.com/ > > John Erhardt > http://johnerhardt.blogspot.com/ > > Ryan Fitzpatrick > http://processdocuments.blogspot.com/ > > Drew Gardner > http://drewgardner.blogspot.com/ > > Nada Gordon > http://ululate.blogspot.com/ > > Daphne Gottlieb > http://www.livejournal.com/users/whythingsburn > > Henry Gould > http://hgpoetics.blogspot.com/ > > Gariel Gudding > http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ > > Kali Gura > http://gura.blogspot.com/ > > David Henry > http://www.btinternet.com/~granite1/ > > David Hess > http://heathensinheat.blogspot.com/ > > Jack Kimball > http://pantaloons.blogspot.com/ > > Anastasios Kozaitis > http://ineluctablemaps.blogspot.com/ > > Laurable > http://www.laurable.com/log/ > > Lester > http://lesters.blogspot.com/ > > Judy MacDonald > http://rrrart.blogspot.com/ > > Joseph Massey > http://josephmassey.blogspot.com/ > > Jonathan Mayhew > http://jonathanmayhew.blogspot.com/ > > Andrew Mister > http://minorsky.blogspot.com/ > > Kasey Silem Mohammad > http://limetree.blogspot.com/ > > Hugh Nicoll > http://radio.weblogs.com/0101782/ > > 9for9 > http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > Erin Noteboom > http://www.sitehouse.net/vivid/index.shtml > > Katherine Parrish > http://www.meadow4.com/squish/ > > Nick Piombino > http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ > > Angela Rawlings > http://www.community.net/her/ > > Ron Silliman > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > Sandra Simonds > http://www.sandrasimonds.blogspot.com/ > > Brian Kim Stefans > http://www.arras.net/weblog/ > > Gary Sullivan > http://garysullivan.blogspot.com/ > > Eileen Tabios > http://winepoetics.blogspot.com/ > > Robert Stanton > http://robstantonissue.blogspot.com/ > > Jill Walker > http://huminf.uib.no/~jill/ > > Heriberto Yepez > http://thetijuanabibleofpoetics.blogspot.com/ > > Stephanie Young > http://stephanieyoung.blogspot.com/ > > Komnino Zervos > http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:05:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Calgary Writers House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends: www.ucalgary.ca/~cwh Calgary Writers House has been updated. The content is modest and rewarding. You will not be sad to stop by and listen or watch some of our exciting media. -Roy Miki (current recipient of the Governor General's award for a book of poetry in English) and Fred Wah discuss contemporary poetics, William Carlos Williams, and Roy Kiyooka -Roy Miki and Louis Cabri launch _Surrender_ (Mercury) and _The Mood Embosser_ (Coach House) respectively. -George Bowering (yes he is our poet laureate...) gives a great reading and is interviewed... -Robert Kroetsch offers many insights into current poetic form.... all this and much more. update as regularly as a full time job, graduate thesis, and social life will allow. Thank you. Jason Christie purveyor of YARDs CWH Graduate Student English Department University of Calgary blah, blah, blah... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:38:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Found poem: "Remove" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Not to embarrass anyone but I could not resist smiling at this very tiny bit of local news. -Nick- > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 01:13:23 -0500 > From: Barbara Henning > Subject: remove > > Please remove me from the list > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:19:30 -0500 > From: Duane Tucker > Subject: Re: remove > > I'm not the list. You've sent this to an individual who just signed up for > it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Henning" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 1:13 AM > Subject: remove > > >> Please remove me from the list > > ------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:05:25 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--quietus MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fardels to Robin Hamilton the citations obsessed man! Mind you, he kept himself down to 11 only this time, so maybe there's hope yet. Best (with a grin) Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:05:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: The war is the first and only thing in the world today. Comments: To: Robert Creeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Williams' Introduction to The Wedge The war is the first and only thing in the world today. The arts generally are not, nor is this writing a diversion from that = for relief, a turning away. It is the war or part of it, merely a = different sector of the field. * * * The arts have a complex relation to society. The poet isn't a fixed = phenomenon, no more is his work. That might be a note on current = affairs, a diagnosis, a plan for procedure, a retrospect--all in its own = peculiarly enduring form. There need be nothing limited or frustrated = about that. It my be a throw-off from the most violent or successful = action or run parallel to it, a saga. It may be the picking out of an = essential detail for memory, something to be set aside for further = study, a sort of shorthand of emotional significance for later = reference. Let the metaphysical take care of itself, the arts have nothing to do = with it. _____________________________________________________________ There are things We live among them and to see them Is to know ourselves --George Oppen Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:49:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Yesterday's remarks by Senator Robert C. Byrd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed March 19, 2003 Senate Remarks: The Arrogance of Power I believe in this beautiful country. I have studied its roots and gloried in the wisdom of its magnificent Constitution. I have marveled at the wisdom of its founders and framers. Generation after generation of Americans has understood the lofty ideals that underlie our great Republic. I have been inspired by the story of their sacrifice and their strength. But, today I weep for my country. I have watched the events of recent months with a heavy, heavy heart. No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper. The image of America has changed. Around the globe, our friends mistrust us, our word is disputed, our intentions are questioned. Instead of reasoning with those with whom we disagree, we demand obedience or threaten recrimination. Instead of isolating Saddam Hussein, we seem to have isolated ourselves. We proclaim a new doctrine of preemption which is understood by few and feared by many. We say that the United States has the right to turn its firepower on any corner of the globe which might be suspect in the war on terrorism. We assert that right without the sanction of any international body. As a result, the world has become a much more dangerous place. We flaunt our superpower status with arrogance. We treat UN Security Council members like ingrates who offend our princely dignity by lifting their heads from the carpet. Valuable alliances are split. After war has ended, the United States will have to rebuild much more than the country of Iraq. We will have to rebuild America's image around the globe. The case this Administration tries to make to justify its fixation with war is tainted by charges of falsified documents and circumstantial evidence. We cannot convince the world of the necessity of this war for one simple reason. This is a war of choice. There is no credible information to connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11. The twin towers fell because a world-wide terrorist group, Al Qaeda, with cells in over 60 nations, struck at our wealth and our influence by turning our own planes into missiles, one of which would likely have slammed into the dome of this beautiful Capitol except for the brave sacrifice of the passengers on board. The brutality seen on September 11th and in other terrorist attacks we have witnessed around the globe are the violent and desperate efforts by extremists to stop the daily encroachment of western values upon their cultures. That is what we fight. It is a force not confined to borders. It is a shadowy entity with many faces, many names, and many addresses. But, this Administration has directed all of the anger, fear, and grief which emerged from the ashes of the twin towers and the twisted metal of the Pentagon towards a tangible villain, one we can see and hate and attack. And villain he is. But, he is the wrong villain. And this is the wrong war. If we attack Saddam Hussein, we will probably drive him from power. But, the zeal of our friends to assist our global war on terrorism may have already taken flight. The general unease surrounding this war is not just due to "orange alert." There is a pervasive sense of rush and risk and too many questions unanswered. How long will we be in Iraq? What will be the cost? What is the ultimate mission? How great is the danger at home? A pall has fallen over the Senate Chamber. We avoid our solemn duty to debate the one topic on the minds of all Americans, even while scores of thousands of our sons and daughters faithfully do their duty in Iraq. What is happening to this country? When did we become a nation which ignores and berates our friends? When did we decide to risk undermining international order by adopting a radical and doctrinaire approach to using our awesome military might? How can we abandon diplomatic efforts when the turmoil in the world cries out for diplomacy? Why can this President not seem to see that America's true power lies not in its will to intimidate, but in its ability to inspire? War appears inevitable. But, I continue to hope that the cloud will lift. Perhaps Saddam will yet turn tail and run. Perhaps reason will somehow still prevail. I along with millions of Americans will pray for the safety of our troops, for the innocent civilians in Iraq, and for the security of our homeland. May God continue to bless the United States of America in the troubled days ahead, and may we somehow recapture the vision which for the present eludes us. ### --Senator Robert C. Byrd Democrat, West Virginia Former Member and Kleagle, Ku Klux Klan, dates of his involvement are sketchy. He claims he was a member from 1942 to 1943. But, documents detail a longer involvement with the KKK. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:57:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: anyone else see this story? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MEDIA ADVISORY: Star Witness on Iraq Said Weapons Were Destroyed Bombshell revelation from a defector cited by White House and press February 27, 2003 On February 24, Newsweek broke what may be the biggest story of the Iraq crisis. In a revelation that "raises questions about whether the WMD [weapons of mass destruction] stockpiles attributed to Iraq still exist," the magazine's issue dated March 3 reported that the Iraqi weapons chief who defected from the regime in 1995 told U.N. inspectors that Iraq had destroyed its entire stockpile of chemical and biological weapons and banned missiles, as Iraq claims. Until now, Gen. Hussein Kamel, who was killed shortly after returning to Iraq in 1996, was best known for his role in exposing Iraq's deceptions about how far its pre-Gulf War biological weapons programs had advanced. But Newsweek's John Barry-- who has covered Iraqi weapons inspections for more than a decade-- obtained the transcript of Kamel's 1995 debriefing by officials from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and the U.N. inspections team known as UNSCOM. [...] http://www.fair.org/press-releases/kamel.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:22:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Bush speaks (via BBCWorld) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was watching one of the PBS channels here in NYC that were carrying BBCWorld feed. The channel I was watching fed out a shot of Bush sitting behind his desk in the Oval Office, his mouth moving but issuing no words that I could hear, fidgeting, getting comfortable in his chair, eyes darting here and there around the room. Then, suddenly, a hand with a comb in it reached out, into the picture frame, and began to touch up his hair. It was a woman's hand, on a woman's arm. The comb in the woman's hand touched up the hair on the left side of the President's head, and then the woman (but not her head) could be seen moving behind the President, to give a few strokes to the hair on the right side of his head (his more conservative side, perhaps), and then BBCWorld, seemingly startled at what it was showing the world, cut away to one of those stationary cameras in Baghdad. And then, a few moments later, the President reappeared, ready to speak to the world, and he spoke. Hal "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe --I believe what I believe is right." --George W. Bush, in Rome, July 22, 2001 Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard _______________________________________________ Cafe-Blue discussion list Cafe-Blue@wiz.cath.vt.edu http://cafeblue.org/ __________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:56:59 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Correct URL for Daisy Fried's message. Comments: To: WOM-PO Comments: cc: whpoets@english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.unitedforpeace.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 06:20:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Re: RHIZOME_RARE: Re: Get your "NO WAR" on Comments: To: Ivan Pope , rare@rhizome.org, rhizome Comments: cc: wryting , webartery In-Reply-To: <200303201358.h2KDwSD16168@rhizome2.rhizome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii " If nothing else, you can examine your own brain patterns before, during and after the event." i agree! really, it's the only way an artist can approach it--- the thing about war and anti-war activitsts is, it becomes (horribly) (thematically) more trend than content--putting up a NO WAR page is not going to accomplish anything at all (you can make the claim that it will provide information about the situation by linking to various news sources, but don't you think anyone really interested in this woulda sniffed that stuff out already?)-- i agree with t.whid////i'm against this war primarily because it will provoke more anger from an already angry (rightfully so) population------i'm also against it because of the very dangerous ideology george w. bush has been using---it's an ideology firmly entrenched in its own snug corner of the world---there's an axis of evil because there are political ideologies different from american capitalism---this is comic-book logic--- probably the most useful thing we can do is be kind to each other, and to especially be kind to muslims here in the US (they've had a tough time since 911!!!!)----understanding and kindness are ALWAYS more effective than bombs----THAT'S a helluva lot more effective than a NO WAR page---- we can also be watchful of civil liberties in this age of heightened security---i had a moroccan friend a while back who was a muslim----when i brought up the ACLU, he smiled and said, yes, this is why we come to your country----this is what we should keep in mind....america is only as great as the manifestation of that ideal--- bliss l Ivan Pope wrote: To view this entire thread, click here: http://rhizome.org/thread.rhiz?thread=7926&text=16125#16125 + + + on 19/3/03 7:17 pm, Eryk Salvaggio at eryk@maine.rr.com wrote: > > I can't say I know what the right thing to do about the war is, as an > artist. > This war is probably, really, not about oil or money or revenge, so much as > ... > The winner gets to look thier best in whatever instance the theatre is > played out on in thier heads. > In light of a stream of war related postings I would like to muse a moment on the current situation as an artist. War is obviously bad, but it is also interesting. War is ongoing, nothing is really about to start. Artists can obviously make a response to war, but there is little point in them ranting about how bad they think it all is. Even worse is to get all introspective, 'oh god, I am so impotent in the face of all this horribleness'. Yes we are, but so what, we always were. If you believe in art and in your art, you need to go on doing what you have always done and not become an activist just because there is this overwhelming media story about. War will provide you with a huge reservoir of material for your work if you want it. If nothing else, you can examine your own brain patterns before, during and after the event. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve. Cheers, Ivan 'Only exist' Pope + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:56:50 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Ridge Launches Gas Attack To Con Apathetic Nation Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Ridge Launches Gas Attack To Con Apathetic Nation By SUEEE PHLEGMY The Assassinated Press Can You Believe The Balls On The Barzanis!?: Official: Kurds Want Partnership With Cheney's Company on Iraqi Oil: Cheney Denies Conquest Of Iraq Has Anything To Do With Oil: "If The Kurds Fuck With Dick's Oil We'll Gas 'Em--Again," Rumsfeld Says: By TOD KRIPPLE The Assassinated Press & The Fly on the Wall News Service March 19, 2003, 10:42 AM EST They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:19:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Christopher W. Alexander" Subject: reminder: poetry reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Matthias Regan Friday, 21 March 8:00 pm Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. Buffalo NY -- "highly recommended. one cool dude." Maria Damon, Poetics List Matthias Regan's work has appeared in a variety of journals, from verdure to The Partisan Review - most recently in Fence - and he has a chapbook, The Most of It, which was published by nominative press collective in 1999. He is a graduate student in the English Department at the University of Chicago, where he is writing his dissertation on the Populist poetry of Lindsay, Sandburg, Brooks, Olson, and Dorn. He is also nonfiction editor of The Chicago Review.=A0 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:22:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: content with (spam) content? In-Reply-To: <18f.17b9dbe2.2bab30b2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything, but I haven't signed up for regular email notices from services like Wordsmith.com's word.of.the.day, the Assassinated Press, Amazon news, etc. Posting links to new work and calls for new work is, obviously, beneficial to the group. Posting every now then a link to a relevant article for discussion makes sense to me as well. But if Poetics members want to subscribe to a notification list, they will. To regularly repost notifications makes a mockery of the idea of a notification list and turns content into spam. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but I wanted to open up a dialogue about this... JMHO, FWIW... brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:54:03 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--emprise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII emprise (em-PRYZ) noun 1. A chivalrous or adventurous enterprise 2. Chivalrous daring or skill. [From Middle English, from Middle French, from Old French, from emprendre (to undertake), from Vulgar Latin imprendere, from Latin in- + prendere (to seize).] The following seeming unrelated words all derived the same Latin root and involve the idea of seizing: prehensile, prison, prize, pry, apprehend, comprehend, comprise, enterprise, pregnable, and surprise. "He looked, and saw wide territory spread Before him - towns, and rural works between, Cities of men with lofty gates and towers, Concourse in arms, fierce faces threatening war, Giants of mighty bone and bold emprise. John Milton, Paradise Lost: Eleventh Book, 1667. "Thus did the politic chief touch all the secret springs of devotion, honour, and ambition in the bosoms of his martial audience, waking the mettle of the most sluggish before leading him on the perilous emprise." William H. Prescott, History Of The Conquest Of Mexico, 1843. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND Try an awesome stress reliever: Crazy Aaron's Thinking Putty! In adult-sized handfuls and amazing colors, http://puttyworld.com ............................................................................ It's splendid to be a great writer, to put men into the frying pan of your imagination and make them pop like chestnuts. -Gustave Flaubert, French novelist, letter, 1851 Feeling information overload? Sign off a few mailing lists. If you wish to unsubscribe from AWAD, send a blank message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with the word unsubscribe in the subject line of your message. Of course, we'd rather you stay with us. After all, it is only a `word' a day. (-: Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/emprise.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/emprise.ram ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:08:17 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Re: content with (spam) content? In-Reply-To: <000c01c2eef4$8a942230$27441842@BRANDONBARR> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII it is not with images that one writes poetry but with words, mallarme said to degas. most poets are word nerds and i've been getting good response to my postings. so, feel free to delete as you would a penis enhancement message or a post from harry nudel. i will continue my spirited emprise. au plutard, kevin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 07:43:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The No Logo U.S. Military Goes to War/NY Times In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I find this article fascinating. World Opinion and the Peace Movement here have forced the American Military - it would seem - to deconstruct. No display of the flag so that "we" will not be confused as an army of conquest. In a corporate global culture in which brand identity is everything behind establishing control over a sales (etc.) environment, thi= s is either an amazing act of humility or deception. Guess which. Nevertheles= s it shows - I believe - the critical mass of anti-war opposition is forcing Bush & Co. into, at least, altering the color of strategy. And then there is the "no" on the candy-give-away business. In a country i= n which we know that children are desperate for food, the troops are being told not to throw candy because swarms of children may get rolled over and impede the mission and movement of million dollar tanks. Etc. Etc. I also find the article interesting in that the troops are actually debatin= g over the loss of showing the flag as well as the objectives of the war. One can only imagine morale issues settling in once the Occupation becomes transparently ambiguous. Stephen V MILITARY ORDERS Troops Told to Carry Freedom, Not the Flag By JIM DWYER AMP NEW JERSEY, Kuwait, March 19, 2003 =8B As United States troops rolled toward the Iraq border this week, they were given orders on two matters of decorum: no throwing of candy to Iraqi children and no displaying of flags = =8B regimental, state or even the American flag. Military officials say that candy giveaways would draw swarms of children t= o the convoys, a dangerous proposition with thousands of trucks, Humvees and trailers barreling toward Baghdad. As for the ban on flags, its effect was apparent in this camp today, where no more than a handful of vehicles mustering for the invasion displayed any= . Officials say the flag could give the citizens of Iraq the wrong idea about the convoys of artillery, ammunition and soldiers. They are not, these officials say, an army of conquest, intent on claiming Iraqi land or treasure for the United States, but a liberation force. They are concerned that streams of American flags would be seen as provocative. "It's imposing enough that we're coming into another society," said Capt. Frank Stanco, a commander with an artillery unit in the 101st Airborne Division. "I tell our soldiers we want to maintain our professionalism. We could be making history. I call it being quiet professionals." In 1991, at the end of the Persian Gulf war, American military convoys entered Kuwait festooned with the stars and stripes after a quick rout of the Iraqi Army occupying the country. Soldiers recall being greeted rapturously by the Kuwaitis. This afternoon, thousands of soldiers sat in long convoys, fully packed and waiting for orders to begin an invasion that would carry many of them 400 miles north to Baghdad. Only a handful of the vehicles flew American flags. The no-flags order was passed along to the 101st Airborne by its commander, Maj. Gen. David H. Petraeus, who said the decision had been made by his superiors. "It's the right thing to do," said General Petraeus, a way of underscoring the American commitment to ousting the Iraqi government to enhance security and human rights, and not to seizing the country. Spokesmen for the United States Central Command in Qatar said they were unable to provide information about the order today. The question of flag flying provoked a small debate among artillery soldier= s waiting to leave camp today. Specialist John Garcia said he was angry that he had been ordered to take down his flag, and that so few countries were supporting the United States and Britain in the military campaign. "When they're in trouble, they don't call Russia, China, France, Turkey," said Specialist Garcia. "They call 911, the United States." That's why I pu= t my flag on my Humvee." Another soldier, Specialist Robert Bratton, said: "You can't blame them. Yo= u got a lot of Americans back in the States against it." A sergeant, Elmer Smith, said the United States was seen as interfering in the affairs of too many countries. Specialist Bratton said, "What's the reason we're fighting?" Specialist Garcia answered, "I think Saddam Hussein got them weapons." Specialist Bratton shook his head. "I think it's oil," he said. Sergeant Smith offered his theory. "I think it's revenge for his father," h= e said. To Captain Stanco, who did not take part in the debate over the war's purpose, the flag issue reflected the complexity of the American task in Iraq. "We want to send the right statements," he said. Three Firefighters Say Flag Came From Yacht=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:51:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: student walkout song Comments: To: Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just learned that my students are staging a walkout at 11:30 to protest the war (in coordination w/ rest of RISD students), so wrote them this song: And it's one two three, What are we fightin for? Don't ask me I don't give a fuck, Next stop Baghdad, Iraq! One, two, three, What are we fightin for? Y'all, I got no idea, Next stop is North Korea! I said, one, two, three, What are we fightin for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn, Next stop Tehran, Iran! -m. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:56:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brandon Barr Subject: Re: content with (spam) content? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > most poets are word nerds and i've been getting good response to my > postings. so, feel free to delete as you would a penis enhancement message > or a post from harry nudel. i will continue my spirited emprise. That's not my point. My point is that if they find the word.a.day service useful, they can go to http://wordsmith.org/awad/subscribe.html and subscribe. And if they want to occasionally post to Poetics and comment on a word that tickles their fancy, then why not? But forwarding every post with no commentary defeats the purpose of Wordsmith's own notification list and hinders this list with content that can be gotten by interested parties elsewhere. Which is, IMHO, not a "chivalrous or adventurous enterprise". Ah, the two post limit. See ya'll in 24. brandon http://texturl.net/ http://bannerart.org/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of K.Angelo Hehir > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:38 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: content with (spam) content? > > it is not with images that one writes poetry but with words, mallarme said > to degas. > > most poets are word nerds and i've been getting good response to my > postings. so, feel free to delete as you would a penis enhancement message > or a post from harry nudel. i will continue my spirited emprise. > > au plutard, > kevin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:02:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Searched the Web for "Fuck Bush" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Searched the Web for "FUCK BUSH" Fuck Bush Fuck George Bush Fuck George W Fuck you president asshole Fuck Bush Fuck the FBI Fuck the CIA Fuck the Selective Service CLICK HERE "Blow me?" 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Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:19:29 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: iraqi weblog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline http://www.google.com/search?q=dear_raed&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 looking at the google cache, you'll what claims to be an iraqi weblog. Interesting reading. Obviously, it's shut-off now:-( Roger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:40:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: LIGHT HAS NO TONGUE:hyperpoem Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue/ STATEMENT: LIGHT HAS NO TONGUE Light has no tongue is a hyperpoem with recombinative music. The music for the work composes itself based on Western functional tonality. Users can read the work three ways--by listening to the randomly accessed voice, by clicking within the draggable film mask, or by reading the tickertape text scrolling by at the bottom of the piece. Via these three methods, a kind of haiku is created. 2003/03/20 10:53:00 http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:45:47 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: what to do in event of attack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://content.mg2.org/safety/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 16:56:01 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: what to do in event of attack Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline There's a useful animation of one of the diagrams here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/jwz/ But you might also wish to checkout optimus prime as well. At 20/03/03 16:45:47, Gabriel Gudding wrote: # http://content.mg2.org/safety/ Roger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:31:28 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl Petersen Subject: Re: Ridge Launches Gas Attack To Con Apathetic Nation In-Reply-To: <18f.17b9dbe2.2bab30b2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII At 09:56 on Mar 20, JBCM2 reasoned: > Click here: The Assassinated Press Comments: To: Psyche-Arts@academyanalyticarts.org, frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Recherche? > "Poetics is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed > by their spam. This is tragic but our medium is -- I wouldn't even say > corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the spammer doesn't > want us to know." > > Gore Vidal > As Barr said - bI have ba great deal to bread bad bam fully ba ble to pick bit bup when bit's beeded. For bexample, bI dont brepost Bob Blair beach bweekday, but still find bit bin my home page bad bookmark blist: http://www.geocities.com/athens/delphi/7086/pod.htm Occaisional aoucemets are very welcome - someone had hir poems here: http://www.poems.com/today_lo.htm Regular or periodic aoucemets arent positively welcome - once I kow a weblog exists, I dot need to hear aout it, read whatever I need: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com I appreciate that people work everyday and produce by working. The proelm is in adding several layers of mediatio to (poetics-Aristotle && poetics-Buffalo.) I have my own dictionaries, thank you. Karl (first post) Petersen -- With only one line it's a trivial thing to check for matching quotation marks. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:26:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Sticker Attack On Cups in US Senate Cafeteria Comments: cc: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sticker Attack On Cups in US Senate Cafeteria (Gothic News Service, 03/21) The United States Senate Press Office reported a strange event in the Senate Cafeteria this morning. When Senators sat dow= n to take breakfast, each one found themselves surprised to look at a puzzlin= g image uniquely glued to the outside of each of their coffee cups. Inserted between a gold Roman Capital letter "I" and the letter "M" was a picture o= f a big orange peach nesting on the black branches of a dead bush. Senate cafeteria workers - many of who are reported to be against the Iraq war - reported that Senators raised their cups and looked both confused and attracted by the colorful image. Out of curiosity =AD maybe because he=B9s classical educated =AD several Members walked over to Senator Byrd=B9s table where, these days, he=B9s normally camped out alone or with Senator Kennedy. "It=B9s an old fashioned =8Crebus=B9," Byrd said, holding up his cup. "Rebus?"=20 "Yes," said the Senator, rose from his table, cup in hand, to give a little lecture to his colleagues. "A rebus is a hieroglyphic riddle, "non verbis sed rebus." The origin of the word and custom is this: The basochiens of Paris, during the carnival, used to satirize the current follies and events of the day in squibs called De rebus qu=E6 geruntur. That these squibs might not be accounted libelous, they employed hieroglyphics either wholly or in part." "What hieroglyphics do you see here," Senator McCain asked. "It=B9s simple, Senator. The "IM" goes first, followed by "Peach" followed by "Bush". Put it all together and it=B9s "IMPEACH BUSH". I guess someone or som= e ones are trying to get a message through to this Body" "Out with the cups," yelled several Republican Senators. Senator McCain reportedly left his cup on Byrd=B9s table. "Support the troops," he said and turned away. "I think I will stay here and enjoy my coffee," said Senator Byrd. Later this morning Operation Rebus Insert (OPI) - an anonymous unit of Washington Cafeteria Workers Local 101 - left messages with several Washington media groups to take responsibility for the event. They are quoted as saying. "Operation Rebis Insert" is not based on military "Insert= " models currently in operation in Iraq. OPI is non-violent. We will strike and insert wherever necessary to impeach this President and wage Peace. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:45:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: baghdad blog Comments: To: hub@dept.english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy folk's, here's a blog supposedly updated continuously by a guy hunkered down in his home in Baghdad: http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/ -m. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 14:45:47 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Notley and Berrigans 3.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On this saddest of days--this administration's contribution toward terrorism through crimes against humanity-- their willing ignorance of the world's wishes and demands as they bring indeterminable suffering in the name of liberation. The Walt Whitman Arts Center announces a reading by Alice Notley "our mythopoetic poet" & Edmund Berrigan and Anselm Berrigan Tomorrow Night-- Friday, March 21, 2003 at 7:30 pm Hopefully we will find consolation together with this family of admirable conscience. Alicia Askenase Walt Whitman Art Center Johnson Park 2nd and Cooper Streets Camden, NJ 08102 For directions and information: 856-964-8300, ext. 103 askliterary@waltwhitmancenter.org www.waltwhitmancenter.org ************************************** Charges for all readings at the Center are $6/$4 seniors/students/free to members ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:37:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Announcements Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS POETS FOR PEACE will be assembling for World Poetry Day on Friday March 21 at 1:00pm. Location: The Main Branch N.Y. Library at 42nd St and 5th Ave (on the steps near the lion, look for the Poets for Peace banner). Poems on topical themes (peace, non-violence, tolerance) will be read. All welcome. POETS FOR PEACE will also assemble for the Peace March on Saturday March 22 at 11:00am. Location: Gotham Book Mart at 41 W 47th St (between 5th and 6th Aves). We will begin walking to the main rally at approximately 11:30am. Main rally held on Broadway between 38th and 42nd Sts. For more information: www.unitedforpeace.org *** NEXT WEEK AT THE POETRY PROJECT MONDAY MARCH 24 [8:00pm] NOELLE KOCOT AND ANDREW MAXWELL WEDNESDAY MARCH 26 [8:00pm] MERRY FORTUNE AND PETER BUSHYEAGER http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html *** MONDAY MARCH 24 [8:00pm] NOELLE KOCOT AND ANDREW MAXWELL Noelle Kocot's poems have appeared in The Iowa Review, The American Poetry Review, New American Writing, Fence, Conduit, Lungfull! and many other journals. In 1997 she received the First Annual S.J. Marks Memorial Prize from The American Poetry Review. Her first collection of poems, 4, was chosen by Michael Ryan to be the recipient of the Levis Prize and was published in 2001. Her next collection, The Raving Fortune, will be published by Four Way Books in 2004. In 2001, she received a fellowship from the National Endowment for the Arts and had a poem included in Best American Poetry. Andrew Maxwell lives in Los Angeles, where he works as a lexicographer and curates the Poetic Research reading series out of Dawsons Book Shop. He edits The Germ, and is a contributing editor for DoubleChange.com. A chapbook, Radiant Species (Tougher Disguises), and a full-length collection of poetry, The Coward Ecumenical (Subpress) are due out later this year. With Guy Bennett he is organizing the Los Angeles Festival of Literary Magazines in spring 2003. WEDNESDAY MARCH 26 [8:00pm] MERRY FORTUNE AND PETER BUSHYEAGER Merry Fortune is the author of Moral. Her poems, stories, and reviews have appeared in issues of Cover, Sensitive Skin, Skunk, Tamarind, Trembling Ladders, Unbearables/portfolio #9, and The World. She was a co-editor of Living With a White Girl (a collection of poetry, reviews, art and interviews with a mostly female agenda) and Pagan Place (a humorous, introspective, alternative collection of esoterica). She is a former Program Coordinator of the Poetry Project Monday Night Performance/Reading Series and was a guest speaker at the Women's National Book Association conference on zines. She has also read at many events and venues in and around New York City. Peter Bushyeager's Citadel Luncheonette is just out from Ten Pell Books. His poems have appeared in numerous publications including The World, Chez Chez, Pagan Place, and the Help Yourself! anthology (Autonomedia). His reviews and commentary have been published in Rain Taxi, The Poetry Project Newsletter and in the Talisman House critical anthology The World in Time and Space. Lewis Warsh has called his work "sexy, dark, combustible, with danger lurking at the edges," and notes that "his terrain is the ineffable mindspace between office and street, hotel restaurant and highway, chaos and control. These poems are [...] asking the age-old question: 'Which way is home?'" *** Unless otherwise noted, admission to all events is $10, $7 for students and seniors, and $5 for Poetry Project members. Schedule is subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery at 131 E. 10th Street, on the corner of 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Please call (212) 674-0910 for more information, or e-mail us at poproj@poetryproject.com. *** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 18:25:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: we own the night Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit tomahawk cruise british tornado slow kid from Ar. farm boy Ia. nighthawk kittyhawk prom queen S.D. Big Mac N.D. starless skies one horned moon go end around go deep go one light Tx. Dairy Queen Minn. Freedom Fry Ok. French Lick Ind. screaming eagles B-2 stealth sand & sky ready to go whistle stop Me. 5&dime Az. plain & prarie surf & turf nite hrt glory.... DRn..DRn.. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:36:40 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michael helsem Subject: Fwd: announcing 2 new ebooks online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed greetings all! i have assembled two books of tanka, "404" & "In the Time of the Fall of the Towers", which can be found at: http://www.ahapoetry.com/helsembk.htm thanx, m. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:28:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: personal news from the protest in san francisco In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable personal news from the protest in san francisco I had no idea where I was going this morning, but I knew I needed to be=20= down town . . . to =93shut it down=94 . . . or something . . . the bus = I=20 was on came to a stand still about four blocks from van ness. for those=20= who do not know, that is still a ways from the financial district which=20= I thought was my agenda...so I exited and walked a few blocks and saw a=20= group in the middle of a block stopping traffic. there was a lot of=20 pink and some with clown makeup on... and when I talked to a few, I=20 realized it was the =93gay shame=94 group... drag kings, queens, ftm=92s,=20= mtf=92s, dykes, faggy boyz and faggy girlz out to stop the war and shut=20= down san francisco . . . . ok, so I have found my group . . . . for=20 hours we marched from on block to the next, pausing long enough to stop=20= traffic. occasionally we ran into other groups doing the same thing.=20 The groups seem to range in size from over 100 to 300+. as far as I=20 could tell these roaming groups did shut san Francisco down - no=20 matter what the media states...it was powerful, no traffic at time or=20 traffic backed up for blocks... the whole thing seemed fairly well organized. there where scouts on=20 bikes who searched out police. someone had brought fruit and fluids.=20 trash cans, news paper containers and what ever was pulled into the=20 street to stop traffic. when we approached the main highway the police=20= seemed to be prepared to stop us from blocking the entry way. the idea=20= of being a moving target seemed to be a good strategy. at one point the=20= motor cycle police seemed to be leading our group, so we changed=20 directions, the police had to reorganize-.. after marching for 4 =20 hours, I needed a bathroom brake and lost my =93gay shame=94 group, but=20= there where plenty of groups...one I saw was just bikes. I heard there=20= was a group in wheel chairs. some of the worst things I saw was when we would try to stop traffic,=20= some in cars actually tried to run protester over... it was some of the=20= worst of humanity I had seen. I was surprised the police actually=20 stopped a couple cars for that reason. one of the most heroic acts I=20 saw was when an individual in a wheel chair, not a part of our group=20 rode the chair out and stopped traffic. I ended up at the civic center to hear speeches. I was inspired when I=20= heard a 12 year old (6 grade) speak who had skipped classes. this was=20= a huge resistance to this horrible act and the momentum must keep=20 going. after a little over six hours I came home and realized all that=20= was not enough. the bombing and killing continues.. a great revolution=20= needs to take place.= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:57:49 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Taylor Brady Subject: Re: personal news from the protest in san francisco In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just to chime in here -- not a lot of walking around on my end. With a=20= few other poet friends, I took part in an action to block the entrances=20= to the SF Federal Building. Again, as per kari's experience, well=20 coordinated, friendly (with the exception of one near-incoherent=20 screamer, people trying to engage SF and federal cops in dialogue, for=20= example), and in good spirits considering the awful imperialist war=20 crime currently in progress. Got home to find a message from another friend who is currently in a=20 holding cell. Many on this list know her, but I'll have to withhold her=20= name until I hear from her "live" and clear it. Suffice it to say that=20= she sounded physically well, though choking on rage at our=20 unconscionable state and its corporate beneficiaries. (Bechtel, one of=20= the companies awarded the no-bid private sector reconstruction=20 contracts for post-occupation Iraq (read: opportunities to sink a lot=20 of overaccumulated finance capital into fixed capital built on spec) is=20= headquartered here in SF -- has anyone heard of any actions there?) Have to run and check on the safety of other friends, and check in with=20= my family for news of my brother, but I want to commend all my comrades=20= who turned out today to counterpose the power of democratic imagination=20= against the crapulent reality of our current 18th Brumaire. Yrs in struggle, Taylor On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 03:28 PM, kari edwards wrote: > personal news from the protest in san francisco > > I had no idea where I was going this morning, but I knew I needed to=20= > be down town . . . to =93shut it down=94 . . . or something . . . the = bus=20 > I was on came to a stand still about four blocks from van ness. for=20 > those who do not know, that is still a ways from the financial=20 > district which I thought was my agenda...so I exited and walked a few=20= > blocks and saw a group in the middle of a block stopping traffic.=20 > there was a lot of pink and some with clown makeup on... and when I=20= > talked to a few, I realized it was the =93gay shame=94 group... drag=20= > kings, queens, ftm=92s, mtf=92s, dykes, faggy boyz and faggy girlz = out to=20 > stop the war and shut down san francisco . . . . ok, so I have found=20= > my group . . . . for hours we marched from on block to the next,=20 > pausing long enough to stop traffic. occasionally we ran into other=20 > groups doing the same thing. The groups seem to range in size from=20 > over 100 to 300+. as far as I could tell these roaming groups did=20 > shut san Francisco down - no matter what the media states...it was=20 > powerful, no traffic at time or traffic backed up for blocks... > > > the whole thing seemed fairly well organized. there where scouts on=20 > bikes who searched out police. someone had brought fruit and fluids.=20= > trash cans, news paper containers and what ever was pulled into the=20 > street to stop traffic. when we approached the main highway the police=20= > seemed to be prepared to stop us from blocking the entry way. the idea=20= > of being a moving target seemed to be a good strategy. at one point=20 > the motor cycle police seemed to be leading our group, so we changed=20= > directions, the police had to reorganize-.. after marching for 4 =20 > hours, I needed a bathroom brake and lost my =93gay shame=94 group, = but=20 > there where plenty of groups...one I saw was just bikes. I heard=20 > there was a group in wheel chairs. > > > some of the worst things I saw was when we would try to stop traffic,=20= > some in cars actually tried to run protester over... it was some of=20 > the worst of humanity I had seen. I was surprised the police actually=20= > stopped a couple cars for that reason. one of the most heroic acts I=20= > saw was when an individual in a wheel chair, not a part of our group=20= > rode the chair out and stopped traffic. > > > I ended up at the civic center to hear speeches. I was inspired when I=20= > heard a 12 year old (6 grade) speak who had skipped classes. this was=20= > a huge resistance to this horrible act and the momentum must keep=20 > going. after a little over six hours I came home and realized all=20 > that was not enough. the bombing and killing continues.. a great=20 > revolution needs to take place. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:09:17 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: News from San Francisco protests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends: For those of you who haven't seen or heard details, there have been a=20 number of direct actions in and around San Francisco , virtually=20 non-stop since 5 pm yesterday=2E This morning began with numerous=20 downtown intersections and freeway offramps blockaded by protesters,=20 often linked together with metal piping that required SFFD chainsaws=2E=20= At one point, at least 3-4 major offramps from Hwys 80/101/280 into=20 downtown were simultaneously blocked off during peak rush hour=20 traffic=2E Market Street has been blockaded at several intersections all=20= day=2E At least half of citywide buses have had their routes halted or=20 misdirected=2E Likewise with the trolleys=2E SFPD reported at 1 pm PST at=20= least 500 arrests=2E Reports of police violence in several locations=2E On= e=20 report of a cop injured in scuffle with protesters (details unclear)=2E Ma= jor=20 "puke-in" at Federal Building, with a number of protesters drinking vast=20= quantities of milk and vomiting it back up on floor and surrounds=2E One=20= local radio report claimed access into and out of Fed Bldg=2E completely=20= blocked, Fed staff slipping on vomit (allegedly)=2E SFPD calling in CHP=20= and other regional police forces=2E Estimates of $500,000 in city=20 expenditures on policing by noon today (though cops were already=20 ordered out in full force, 12-hour shifts, for "homeland security" duty)=2E= =20 Several impromptu marches, sit-ins, street parties, etc=2E, throughout cit= y=2E=20 "Reconvergences" at central locations throughout day, as protesters=20 re-group and then spread out again in concentrated groups=2E Tactics by=20= midday had developed into ongoing, mobile street blocades, where a=20 group would take over an intersection, with sit-in or music and dancing,=20= street painting, singing, some mild vandalism (allegedly), and then=20 move on quickly to another site as the cops arrive (with tail end of each=20= group cleaning up debris on the go)=2E On the whole, even mainstream=20 local media reports confirm that cops are on the run, tired,=20 over-extended=2E Even though, between the well-reported SFPD spying=20 and infiltration tactics over the past month and accessible action plans=20= available online, they knew it was coming, all seem taken by extent of=20 protests and efficacy of tactics=2E It has honestly been amazing - the=20 sustained, mobile, fluid, non-hierarchical on-the-go structures of the=20 actions, with cell communiques & online reportage, minimal violence=20 and/or factionalism, able to shutdown an area and then move on to the=20 next, regroup at city center or fed building, then spread out again in=20 on-the-fly co-ordination=2E Thousands still in the streets, with=20 reinforcements to come=2E Convergences planned for 5pm & 9pm PST=20 tonight, and at midnight in front of SFPD's main jail (in solidarity with=20= those arrested), with plans to continue through the night and tomorrow,=20= up to Sat=2E noon march=2E Will try to post more news as it comes - Yedda just left to head back=20 into city, and there will likely be further actions in East Bay (in addition to=20 planned CodePink rally and Rachel Corrie memorial) as well=2E For more info: news, photos, and info on upcoming events/actions/trainings/etc: www=2Eindybay=2Eorg also: citizens should check in here for helpful explanations of our=20 government's updated terrorist warning signage: http://www=2Etitaniumcounter=2Ecom/temp/emergency/ David Buuck Oakland, CA=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 19:53:49 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Anti-War News from Oakland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Youth Wants to Know Department: A group of 500 plus high school students from working class neighborhoods in and around the Fruitvale District of Oakland, which is largely Latino, Southeast Asian, African-American, attempted to board the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) this afternoon, asking BART to let them take the train for free. They were denied this request, and then BART closed the Fruitvale BART station. The students, who had walked out of school to protest the war, attempted to take the bus to downtown Oakland, where a rally at Frank Ogawa Square had been taking place most of the day. The municipal buses refused to stop for these students. Thus the students walked the many miles to downtown Oakland, not able to get across the Bay Bridge to participate in actions in San Francisco, having been denied access to public transportation. Oakland is notorious for its poor public schools, which are now being further eviscerated due to budget cuts in the state of California. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 17:04:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: News from San Francisco protests In-Reply-To: <265000-2200335210917934@M2W038.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hit Market St. at noon just as a phalanx of riot police were marching east towards the stand-off at 6th St. I had my mini-recorder with me, and asked one of the cops what was going on -- "Haven't you been listening to the radio today?" was all I could get him to say. At first there was a weird sense of chaos, as if neither the police nor the protesters really knew what was going on or where things were heading. At 6th and Market, another group of people would spill down from a side street, to be met by another phalanx of riot cops deploying on one or another intersection. I saw a dozen or so people get arrested for blocking Market, although it was already closed. Then the police herded us up a side street, flanked us, and broke the block in two, surrounding us and not letting anyone move from a half-block area. While a woman sobbed at the feet of some officers, a glass bottle came flying and shattered in the street. To their credit, the police didn't flinch. People eventually spilled back down to Market and joined the march that had been headed east from Civic Center. When we reached 6th St., the police stopped us again and we were boxed in on about a block of Market for 20 minutes or so. Construction workers on the scaffolding of a nearby building shouted down to us and flashed peace signs. The march moved back west up Market. Some stragglers confronted police at the rear, but eventually moved. We marched to Van Ness then up to California, then down to Davis and right onto Market, four, five miles total. I interviewed people as I went -- people marching, people stopped in cars waiting for the march to pass, old people, young people, women, men. Most folks (in cars) were fairly sanguine about having to wait. Muni drivers in stalled cable cars rang their bells and allowed marchers to climb aboard and ring them, too. I interviewed a couple of men who were shouting angrily at protesters from kiosks on Market St. One of them claimed to be a former marine and said that while the war was "dirty," we must support our troops. I interviewed a man whose wife had just been arrested (along with a dozen or so "anarchist"-type kids) and was waiting to be put in the paddy wagon. Will transcribe all and post somewhere. Two things struck me about this protest: the broad spectrum of people I saw on the streets, overwhelmingly young but also with older folks, from middle to granny-age, and the restraint shown by the police. I heard reports of someone grabbing for a gun and hundreds of people arrested, but saw no violence myself. Even the man whose wife was booked had a very chill attitude about it, and seemed to think she would be released in a couple of hours. Tonight I have to pick up my girlfriend at Oakland Airport, so am hoping I'm able to make it over the bridge... peace out. DH ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:58:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis Warsh Subject: please remove me from list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >There are 46 messages totalling 4483 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > > 1. Journalism Endangered (5) > 2. more on war & journalism > 3. Fw: Good Day > 4. M1A1 > 5. Language Poetry Haiku: Do They Exist? > 6. CUTUPS & DAY DREAMS 259 > 7. Whores in the Rubble of Diplomacy > 8. FW: "Red alert" means New Jerseyans may not leave their homes > 9. Quick Political Aptitude Test > 10. It is difficult now to speak of poetry-- (2) > 11. The Making of Americans > 12. what to do in case of biological attack > 13. A.Word.A.Day--quietus (3) > 14. this normal morning > 15. The Making of Anti-Americanism... > 16. State Dept Advisory (2) > 17. hennesy's plop (4) > 18. Fw: Read This WHITEHOUSE.ORG Article IMMEDIATELY! > 19. Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics > 20. remove (2) > 21. POETS WITH BLOGS LIST > 22. Thursday: Rabate, Romberg, Margolis > 23. From the Guardian in Bagdad/ Read & > 24. poem > 25. is this what you wanted to do? > 26. now irak, horror ascend > 27. cat MOAB > irak > 28. Disowning Disowned > 29. Poems by others: Susan Howe, "Six Poems from a Work in Progress" > 30. Poem for my brother > 31. phjlosophy foe beginners > 32. it's begun > 33. AMERICA IS DEAD > 34. Concerned Korea Scholars / Demos > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:12:19 -0600 >From: Gabriel Gudding >Subject: Re: Journalism Endangered > >Thanks for this, Patrick. The photographs are goddamned horrifying. And >thanks again to Mairead Byrne and Kazim Ali for arranging and setting up >the panel. > >I sent 2 articles via email to one of the conservative white men who >challenged your assertion, Patrick, that the US military would restrict >press freedoms. One article concerned press suppression in Gulf War 1 and >the second, which I paste below, concerns press suppression in what is now, >I suppose, called Gulf War 2. Text below. (ps, just as a side note, the >firefighter-looking guy who challenged you, Patrick, is a right-wingy white >person who teaches creative nonfiction at UNC Wilmington (near you, right?) >and has authored such hits as _Secret Soldiers_ and _Desert Kill_.) > >PENTAGON THREATENS >TO KILL INDEPENDENT REPORTERS IN IRAQ >10th March, 2003 >by Fintan Dunne, Editor >http://www.GuluFuture.com > >The Pentagon has threatened to fire on the satellite uplink positions of >independent journalists in Iraq, according to veteran BBC war >correspondent, Kate Adie. In an interview with Irish radio, Ms. Adie said >that questioned about the consequences of such potentially fatal actions, a >senior Pentagon officer had said: "Who cares.. ..They've been warned." >According to Ms. Adie, who twelve years ago covered the last Gulf War, the >Pentagon attitude is: "entirely hostile to the the free spread of >information." > >"I am enormously pessimistic of the chance of decent on-the-spot reporting, >as the war occurs," she told Irish national broadcaster, Tom McGurk on the >RTE1 Radio "Sunday Show." > >Ms. Adie made the startling revelations during a discussion of media >freedom issues in the likely upcoming war in Iraq. She also warned that the >Pentagon is vetting journalists according to their stance on the war, and >intends to take control of US journalists' satellite equipment --in order >to control access to the airwaves. > >Another guest on the show, war author Phillip Knightley, reported that the >Pentagon has also threatened they: "may find it necessary to bomb areas in >which war correspondents are attempting to report from the Iraqi side." > >Transcript follows below. > >Audio of this very frank discussion of the problems facing reporters in Iraq. >Guests: Kate Adie, BBC; Phillip Knightley, author of The First Casualty, a >history of war correspondents and propaganda; Chris Hedges, award winning >human rights journalist, and former Irish Times Editor Connor Brady on the >Sunday Show, RTE Radio1 9th March, 2003. >Listen >K. Adie >Realplayer 3 mins Listen full Gulf media freedom segment Audio >26 minutes[ Realplayer] Links valid until 16 March >DOWNLOAD ENTIRE SHOW HERE >Tom McGurk: >" Now, Kate Adie, you join us from the BBC in London. Thank you very much >for going to all this trouble on a Sunday morning to come and join us. I >suppose you are watching with a mixture of emotions this war beginning to >happen, because you are not going to be covering it." >Kate Adie: >" Oh I will be. And what actually appalls me is the difference between >twelve years ago and now. I've seen a complete erosion of any kind of >acknowledgment that reporters should be able to report as they witness." >" The Americans... and I've been talking to the Pentagon ...take the >attitude which is entirely hostile to the free spread of information." >" I was told by a senior officer in the Pentagon, that if uplinks --that is >the television signals out of... Bhagdad, for example-- were detected by >any planes ...electronic media... mediums, of the military above Bhagdad... >they'd be fired down on. Even if they were journalists ..' Who cares! ' >said.. [inaudible] .." >Tom McGurk:"...Kate ...sorry Kate ..just to underline that. Sorry to >interrupt you. Just to explain for our listeners. Uplinks is where you have >your own satellite telephone method of distributing information." >Kate Adie:" The telephones and the television signals." >Tom McGurk:" And they would be fired on? " >Kate Adie:" Yes. They would be 'targeted down,' >said the officer." >Tom McGurk:" Extraordinary ! " >Listen full Gulf Media Freedom segment Audio >26 minutes[ Realplayer] >Links valid until 16 March >Kate Adie: " Shameless! " >" He said.. >' Well... they know this ... >they've been warned.' " >" This is threatening freedom of information, before you even get to a war." >"The second thing is there was a massive news blackout imposed." >"In the last Gulf war, where I was one of the pool correspondents with the >British Army. We effectively had very, very light touch when it came to any >kind of censorship." >" We were told that anything which was going to endanger troops lives which >we understood we shouldn't broadcast. But other than that, we were >relatively free." >" Unlike our American colleagues, who immediately left their pool, after >about 48 hours, having just had enough of it." >" And this time the Americans are: a) Asking journalists who go with them, >whether they are... have feelings against the war. And therefore if you >have views that are skeptical, then you are not to be acceptable." >" Secondly, they are intending to take control of the Americans technical >equipment ...those uplinks and satellite phones I was talking about. And >control access to the airwaves." >" And then on top of everything else, there is now a blackout (which was >imposed, during the last war, at the beginning of the war), ...ordered by >one Mr. Dick Cheney, who is in charge of this." >" I am enormously pessimistic of the chance of decent on-the-spot >reporting, as the war occurs. You will get it later." > >------------------------------ > >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:18:25 -0500 >From: Patrick Herron >Subject: more on war & journalism > >http://burn.ucsd.edu/archives/ats-l/1996.Nov/0058.html > >________________________________________________________________ > >C I A & "P E R C E P T I O N M A N A G E M E N T" >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Editor's Note: I'd like to thank Robert Parry, editor and >publisher of the Consortium, for permission to post his >important piece on CIA domestic operations to aid the >contras. Due to widespread opposition to Reagan >administration Central American policies during the 1980s, >the CIA launched an illegal series of psychological >operations aimed at the American people in order to wage war >"by other means." If recent CIA history is an indication of >current trends, from Haiti to Colombia, from Turkey to >streets of South Central and beyond, disinformation and lies >are the staple of "consensus builders" and "perception >managers" intent on preserving the U.S. global empire. > >----- > >http://www.delve.com/consort/archive/consort1.html > >----- > >THE CONSORTIUM >For Independent Journalism > >** Volume 2, No. 1 * December 9, 1996 ** > >LOST HISTORY: >_________________________________________________________________ > >CIA & "PERCEPTION MANAGEMENT" >_________________________________________________________________ > >By Robert Parry > > >WASHINGTON -- William J. Casey was a quick study, always >looking for an edge whether in business or in the ideological >struggles that consumed the last years of his life. So in early >August 1983, the balding CIA director hunched over a desk at the >old Executive Office Building and scribbled down notes from five >public relations experts who were brainstorming how to sell >Ronald Reagan's Central American policies to the American people. > >Earlier that day, a national security aide had warmed the P.R. >men to their task with dire predictions that leftist governments >would send waves of refugees into the United States and cynically >flood America with drugs. The P.R. executives jotted down some >thoughts over lunch and then pitched their ideas to the CIA >director in the afternoon. > >"Casey was kind of spearheading a recommendation" for better >public relations for Reagan's Central America policies, recalled >William I. Greener Jr., one of the ad men. Two top proposals >arising from the meeting were for a high-powered communications >operation inside the White House and private money for an >outreach program to build support for U.S. intervention. > >The ideas from that session and other meetings held during the >Reagan administration's first years still resonate today. Through >the mid-1980s, Casey's domestic propaganda campaign would descend >into scandal-generation and disinformation against opponents, >tactics that are now generic to American politics. > >But few Americans know about Casey's "public diplomacy" >apparatus which refined this approach in the 1980s -- or that the >operation was overseen by CIA propagandists and military >psychological warfare experts steeped in an Orwellian concept >called "perception management." > >Scores of documents about this operation poured out during the >Iran-contra scandal. The documents made clear that the driving >force behind these aggressive P.R. tactics was Casey, the World >War II spymaster who understood the power of information and the >value of deception. But the documents received little attention >in the mainstream press. > >As the Washington media grew bored with the Iran-contra story, >articles focused on the celebrity of Lt. Col. Oliver North and >narrow questions, such as who authorized a diversion of Iran arms >sales profits to the Nicaraguan contra rebels. Yet, the "public >diplomacy" campaign was a dramatic tale, too. It was the story of >how the top level of the CIA had circumvented law and manipulated >U.S. public opinion in support of CIA covert operations in >Central America. Although the CIA is legally barred from >influencing domestic politics, no one was held accountable for >the apparent violations of law. > >At the start of the Reagan administration, Casey's challenge >had seemed daunting. The administration saw Sandinista-ruled >Nicaragua as another Cuba and Daniel Ortega as another Castro. >But in late 1980, the American people saw El Salvador's right- >wing military engaged in a bloodbath against leftist political >opponents. To make matters worse, Salvadoran soldiers even raped >and murdered four American churchwomen. The public also retained >fears of "another Vietnam." > >So, Reagan's initial strategy of bolstering the Salvadoran >army required defusing the negative publicity and somehow >rallying the American people to the anti-communist cause. As >deputy assistant secretary to the Air Force, J. Michael Kelly, >put it, "the most critical special operations mission we have ... >is to persuade the American people that the communists are out to >get us." > > >HOUNDING THE PRESS > >At the same time, the White House worked to weed out American >reporters who uncovered facts that undercut the desired images. >As part of that effort, the administration attacked New York >Times correspondent Raymond Bonner for disclosing the massacre of >about 800 men, women and children in the village of El Mozote in >northeast El Salvador in December 1981. Accuracy in Media and >conservative news organizations, such as The Wall Street >Journal's editorial page, joined in pummeling Bonner, who was >soon ousted from his job. > >The administration also made sure to reward its friends. >According to one National Security Council memo dated May 20, >1983, U.S. Information Agency director Charles Wick brought >private donors to the White House situation room for a fund- >raiser which collected $400,000 for AIM and a few other pro- >Reagan groups. > >By then, "public diplomacy" was becoming Casey's new code word >for influencing the opinions of the American people as well >citizens of foreign countries. "The overall purpose" behind >Casey's initiative "would be to sell a 'new product' -- Central >America -- by generating interest across-the-spectrum," another >NSC document stated. > >A "public diplomacy strategy paper," dated May 5, 1983, summed >up the problem. "As far as our Central American policy is >concerned, the press perceives that: the USG [U.S. government] is >placing too much emphasis on a military solution, as well as >being allied with inept, right-wing governments and groups. ... >The focus on Nicaragua [is] on the alleged U.S.-backed 'covert' >war against the Sandinistas. Moreover, the opposition ... is >widely perceived as being led by former Somozistas." > >The administration's difficulty with most of these press >perceptions was that they were correct. But the strategy paper >recommended ways to influence various groups of Americans to >"correct" the impressions anyway, what another planning document >would call "perceptional obstacles." "Themes will obviously have >to be tailored to the target audience," the strategy paper said. > >So, with Casey personally consulting experts, a "public >diplomacy" apparatus took shape to carry out this "perception >management." The operation was based in the NSC and was directed >by Walter Raymond Jr., the CIA's top propaganda expert until >transferring to the NSC in 1982. > > >A LE CARRE SPY > >Raymond, a 30-year veteran of CIA clandestine services, was a >slight, soft-spoken New Yorker who reminded some of a character >from a John le Carre spy novel, an intelligence officer who >"easily fades into the woodwork," according to one acquaintance. >Raymond formally resigned from the CIA in April 1983 so, he said, >"there would be no question whatsoever of any contamination of >this." > >But from the beginning, Raymond fretted about the legality of >Casey's involvement. Raymond confided in one memo that it was >important "to get [Casey] out of the loop," but Casey never >backed off and Raymond continued to send progress reports to his >old boss well into 1986. > >It was "the kind of thing which [Casey] had a broad catholic >interest in," Raymond shrugged during his Iran-contra deposition. >He then offered the excuse that Casey undertook this apparently >illegal interference in domestic politics "not so much in his CIA >hat, but in his adviser to the president hat." > >Raymond also understood that the administration's hand in the >P.R. projects must stay hidden, because of other legal bans on >executive-branch propaganda. "The work down within the >administration has to, by definition, be at arms length," Raymond >noted in an Aug. 29, 1983, memo. > >Repeatedly, Raymond lectured his subordinates on the chief >goal of the operation: "in the specific case of Nica[ragua], >concentrate on gluing black hats on the Sandinistas and white >hats on UNO [the contras' United Nicaraguan Opposition]." There >was no space for the fact that both sides wore gray hats. So >Reagan's speechwriters dutifully penned descriptions of >Sandinista-ruled Nicaragua as a "totalitarian dungeon" and the >contras as the "moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers." > >As one NSC official told me, the campaign was modeled after >CIA covert operations abroad where a political goal is more >important than the truth. "They were trying to manipulate [U.S.] >public opinion ... using the tools of Walt Raymond's trade craft >which he learned from his career in the CIA covert operation >shop," the official admitted. > >Another administration official gave a similar description to >The Miami Herald's Alfonso Chardy. "If you look at it as a whole, >the Office of Public Diplomacy was carrying out a huge >psychological operation, the kind the military conduct to >influence the population in denied or enemy territory," that >official explained. > > >NO QUARTER > >The operation's most visible arm was a new office at the State >Department called the Office of Public Diplomacy. It was headed >by Cuban exile Otto Reich, whose job included selecting "hot >buttons" that would anger Americans about the Sandinistas. He >also browbeat correspondents who produced stories that conflicted >with the administration's "themes." Reich once bragged that his >office "did not give the critics of the policy any quarter in the >debate." > >Another part of the office's job was to plant "white >propaganda" in the news media through op-eds secretly financed by >the government. In one memo, Jonathan Miller, a senior public >diplomacy official, informed White House aide Patrick Buchanan >about success placing an anti-Sandinista piece in The Wall Street >Journal's friendly pages. "Officially, this office had no role in >its preparation," Miller wrote. > >Other times, the administration put out "black propaganda," >outright falsehoods. In 1983, one such theme was designed to >anger American Jews by portraying the Sandinistas as anti-Semitic >because much of Nicaragua's small Jewish community fled after the >revolution in 1979. However, the U.S. embassy in Managua >investigated the charges and "found no verifiable ground on which >to accuse the GRN [the Sandinista government] of anti-Semitism," >according to a July 28, 1983, cable. But the administration kept >the cable secret and pushed the "hot button" anyway. > >The administration's public diplomacy also followed up on one >idea heard by the P.R. men who met with Casey in August 1983 -- >to promote the theme that leftist governments would ship >narcotics to the United States. The obstacle to that argument, >however, was that the Drug Enforcement Administration knew of no >drugs which had transited Nicaragua since the Sandinistas took >power. > >The reason was simple: it made little sense for traffickers to >smuggle drugs through a country with almost no trade with the >United States while the CIA was monitoring all planes leaving >Nicaraguan air space. The Reagan administration solved that P.R. >problem by arranging a "sting" operation overseen by Oliver North >and the CIA. > >In 1984, convicted narcotics trafficker Barry Seal, who was >cooperating with the DEA, arranged for a plane to fly a load of >cocaine into Nicaragua. But the plane was shot down by Sandinista >air defenses. Seal then flew in a second plane, a C-123 >transport. He snapped some grainy photos of men, supposedly >Nicaraguans and Colombians, loading bales of cocaine onto the >plane. Seal then flew the load back to the United States where >the story was leaked to The Washington Times and quickly spread >onto front pages across America. The desired image was achieved. > > >POISONING AMERICA'S YOUTH > >In a TV address, President Reagan then accused top Sandinistas >of "exporting drugs to poison our youth." Even today, Seal's >photos are cited by conservative journalists to counter evidence >of cocaine smuggling by the contras, the guys in the glued-on >white hats. > >Yet, in the Seal-Sandinista drug case, only one Nicaraguan, a >shadowy figure named Federico Vaughan, was ever indicted. Vaughan >supposedly worked for the Nicaraguan Interior Ministry. But >strangely, Vaughan had been calling his American drug contacts >from a phone located at either the U.S. or other Western >embassies. It was never clear for whom Vaughan was working. DEA >officials stated that they had no evidence that any other >Nicaraguan official, besides Vaughan, had participated in drug >smuggling. > >The DEA also complained that the White House blew the >smuggling investigation prematurely to embarrass the Sandinistas >before a contra aid vote. The bigger fish sought by the DEA had >included the leaders of the Medellin drug cartel. But the >administration had sacrificed that probe to gain a propaganda >edge. > >A year later, in 1985, the evidence would build that the >contras were engaged in real drug trafficking. In reaction, the >administration again would put P.R. ahead of law enforcement. The >public diplomacy team would activate, to attack the journalists >and investigators who revealed this evidence. > >Even after the Iran-contra scandal unraveled in 1986-87 and >Casey died of brain cancer, the Republicans fought to keep secret >the remarkable story of this public diplomacy apparatus. As part >of a deal to get three moderate Republican senators to join >Democrats in signing the Iran-contra report, Democratic leaders >dropped a draft chapter on the CIA's domestic propaganda role. > >The American people were thus spared the chapter's troubling >conclusion: that a covert propaganda apparatus had existed, run >by "one of the CIA's most senior specialists, sent to the NSC by >Bill Casey, to create and coordinate an inter-agency public- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 20:52:29 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: swiss police fire on protesting children Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0303/S00174.htm Swiss Police Attack Anti-War Protesting Children Friday, 21 March 2003, 1:19 am Article: Selwyn Manning - Scoop Auckland Exclusive: Geneva Switzerland - Swiss Police Attack School Aged Anti-War=20 Protesters Breaking News =96 Hundreds of Swiss school children have been fired upon by= =20 riot police outside the US Mission in Geneva. The attack, witnessed by=20 workers from the nearby World Health Organization, was unprovoked. ------------ =93The police were tear gassing innocent children. I could not see any= adults=20 among them. There were dozens if not hundreds of children in that field.=20 The tear gas explosions have been going on for about half an hour now.=94 ------------ A Scoop eyewitness contact reports: =93It's 13h48 Thursday 20 March 2003 in= =20 Geneva. I have just walked around the boundary fence of WHO. Alongside the= =20 fence is a paddock that backs on to the US Mission, which is always closed= =20 off to the public. =93As I walked I could hear lots of yelling, cheering, bangs (like=20 firecrackers) and drums. I peered through the gaps in the shrubs alongside= =20 the fence and saw lots of school children, Swiss school children, not=20 Middle Eastern, aged in their teens, running across the field, and waving=20 anti-war banners. =93Suddenly there were a series of loud explosions and the field was covered= =20 in smoke, some of it drifting onto the edge of the WHO property and=20 stinging my nose. =93Then, on the edge of the field that meets the US Mission property, I= could=20 see a row of policemen in protective gear, shields, helmets, etc. There=20 were more explosions and the air was filled with tear gas,=94 Scoop=92s= contact=20 said. At this point World Health Organization security guards insisted the WHO=20 staff get back into the WHO buildings, as they were to lock the doors. =93The police were tear gassing innocent children. I could not see any= adults=20 among them. There were dozens if not hundreds of children in that field.=20 The tear gas explosions have been going on for about half an hour now. =93As far as I can see the use of force in this situation is totally=20 unnecessary, since there are a couple of high fences covered in barbed wire= =20 separating the students from the US Mission,=94 Scoop=92s contact said. Home Page | Headlines | Previous Story | Next Story ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 22:59:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: hypocrite lurker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ur 3rd infantry tip of the spear ur ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:03:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Emerson at a time like this In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Have been bolstered today by the reports from SF. I've heard a few people lamenting this moment as a low point in American history. A low point it surely is but its one among many I'm afraid, and that's from someone who tends to be fairly high and optimistic on U.S. culture, if not U.S. government. The truth seems to be that we very rarely live up to the high ideals expressed in the original draft of the Declaration of Independence (the one which included emancipation of slaves before Georgia and South Carolina insisted on its removal) and the Bill of Rights. Every once in a while we get a decade where we, the inmates, somehow gain control of the asylum. Abolitionists like Douglass and Emerson were surely even more exasperated than we are in their day. Emerson said this about the state of American democracy on the eve of the Civil War: "Language has lost its meaning in the universal cant, Representative Government is really misrepresentative; Union is a conspiracy against the Northern States which the Northern States are to have the privilege of paying for; the adding of Cuba and Central America to the slave marts is enlarging the area of Freedom. Manifest Destiny, Democracy, Freedom, fine names for an ugly thing. They call it otto of rose and lavender, - I call it bilge-water." He would surely say now that we can't let a phrase like "Operation Iraqi Freedom" go by without subjecting it to ridicule until it sounds precisely as it means, "Operation Iraqi Bleed 'em". Walk the walk, talk the talk. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:25:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Emerson at a time like this MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT cant rant hiphop be bop my TV has crawling once more under the screen along the banks of the Tibris clouds billow o ver baghdad Dad's with the 101st phones on the cutting edge disconnect can poets reclaim Emerson's tongue? tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:29:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Great Anti-War website, very informative Comments: To: enGDEP-L@listserv.ilstu.edu Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Just heard an AMAZING interview with a journalism prof named Robert Jensen at U ot T in Austin on NPR call-in. Scott Simon tried to shut him up, get a word in, but Jensen just kept talking, smoothly, facts-at-hand, denouncing smartly and briskly and calmly this incredibly idiotic act of illegal aggression by the Bush adminstration and the few times when Simon could get a word in to ask a question designed to rebut him, Jensen knocked it out of the park. I wrote Jensen to thank and congratulate him and he fired back a nice email and at the end of it was this url, check it: http://www.nowarcollective.com Hoo-ah! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 01:38:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: On The Other Hand... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In light of an illegal attack upon a devastated country that has already lost 750, 000 children due to an ongoing embargo and a previous merciless attack upon this country in 1991 I would like to muse on my situation as an artist who has other roles and responsibilities and concerns as well. War is not only obviously bad, but it is also banal. This is not a war, and it is possible to end the pointless slaughter. Artists can avoid responding to war, but there is little point in remaining helpless, passive, and silent about these atrocities. Even better, It is possible to avoid introspection, but since there is little point in trying to deny one's thoughts, it is best to try to reflect on them as if to say "oh god, that's who we've really become by sticking our heads in the sand." If you believe in art and in your personal art, you might try to inspire others and reinterpret the facts and the actual situation to everyone who has been misinformed and hypnotized by the omnipresent corporate owned, manipulated media. War will horrify you and will deluge your reservoir of artistic source material with images of misery, futility, hopelessness and pain before, during and after the event. Get in touch with your feelings and share them with anyone who will listen; as as result you will feel energized instead of depressed, bitter and cynical. With immense sadness, and hope, Nick- "We must love one another or die"-Piombino - - - > In light of a stream of war related postings I would like to muse a moment > on the current situation as an artist. > > War is obviously bad, but it is also interesting. > > War is ongoing, nothing is really about to start. > > Artists can obviously make a response to war, but there is little point in > them ranting about how bad they think it all is. > > Even worse is to get all introspective, 'oh god, I am so impotent in the > face of all this horribleness'. Yes we are, but so what, we always were. > > If you believe in art and in your art, you need to go on doing what you have > always done and not become an activist just because there is this > overwhelming media story about. > > War will provide you with a huge reservoir of material for your work if you > want it. If nothing else, you can examine your own brain patterns before, > during and after the event. > > Don't wear your heart on your sleeve. > > Cheers, > Ivan 'Only exist' Pope > > + + + ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:31:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: EMERSON or Me good...Bush bad... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit since i'm stayin' up all nite listenin' to those embattled farmer boys roll into Baghdad... Try this from Emerson's great Master Thom. Carlyle: from his "OCASSIONAL DISCOURSE ON THE NIGGER QUESTION" (SIC) "Quashee (the emblematic black) if he will not help in bringing-out the spices will get himself made a slave again (which state will be a little less ugly thah his present one) and with beneficent whip, since other methods avail not, will be compelled to work"...etc...etc...etc.. Bush is closer to John Brown or Emerson in his evil-doer fervor...than Ramsay Clark.. the world is the case that is not the case that is the case that isn't...hm or is it...DRn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:15:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: sauntering long ago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sauntering long ago in the northern darkness the fish has its name kun, of it no idea how many thousand li, and it's a bird and it's name is peng, yes it is, it's got an enormous back, i've got no idea how many li it is, when it gets angry or aroused then it takes off and its wings! its wings! you can't imagine how big they are, anyway an anhinga and an atala butterfly were talking and saying to each other, wow, you just can't fly high enough to see the whole pond which was in a cut that shook the water but seemed much larger. so they said, the story is in the northern darkness, etc. that's how big the world is, so big that you can't imagine or even walk through it. and what comes out of the northern darkness goes into the southern darkness, yes it does, i can't imagine how it does that, but it does. i don't think it sees much of anything either, but then how should i know, its colors are amazing, maybe it's because it's so large there's room for everything, i think maybe it's a bird called peng, but some say it's a fish called kun, but how could fish fly, and how could a bird swim across the darkness so far it goes from north to south, you can head north and arrive south, you can head south and arrive north, a white horse is black, a dog isn't a dog, you never know, loafing long ago and floating just about in any direction, in the south, something stirs for three thousand li, some say it's the waters, some just can't imagine === ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 02:09:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: On The Other Hand... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The best writing I've ever read on exactly these questions is Mahmoud Darwish's book "Memory for Forgetfulness" which I know I have mentioned on this list before. --- Nick Piombino wrote: > In light of an illegal attack upon a devastated > country that has already > lost 750, 000 children due to an ongoing embargo and > a previous merciless > attack upon this country in 1991 I would like to > muse on my situation as an > artist who has other roles and responsibilities and > concerns as well. > > War is not only obviously bad, but it is also banal. > > This is not a war, and it is possible to end the > pointless slaughter. > > Artists can avoid responding to war, but there is > little point in remaining > helpless, passive, and silent about these > atrocities. > > Even better, It is possible to avoid introspection, > but since there is > little point in trying to deny one's thoughts, it is > best to try to reflect > on them as if to say "oh god, that's who we've > really become by sticking our > heads in the sand." > > If you believe in art and in your personal art, you > might try to inspire > others and reinterpret the facts and the actual > situation to everyone who > has been misinformed and hypnotized by the > omnipresent corporate owned, > manipulated media. > > War will horrify you and will deluge your reservoir > of artistic source > material with images of misery, futility, > hopelessness and pain before, > during and after the event. > > Get in touch with your feelings and share them with > anyone who will listen; > as as result you will feel energized instead of > depressed, bitter and > cynical. > > With immense sadness, and hope, > > Nick- "We must love one another or die"-Piombino > > - - - > > > In light of a stream of war related postings I > would like to muse a moment > > on the current situation as an artist. > > > > War is obviously bad, but it is also interesting. > > > > War is ongoing, nothing is really about to start. > > > > Artists can obviously make a response to war, but > there is little point in > > them ranting about how bad they think it all is. > > > > Even worse is to get all introspective, 'oh god, I > am so impotent in the > > face of all this horribleness'. Yes we are, but so > what, we always were. > > > > If you believe in art and in your art, you need to > go on doing what you have > > always done and not become an activist just > because there is this > > overwhelming media story about. > > > > War will provide you with a huge reservoir of > material for your work if you > > want it. If nothing else, you can examine your own > brain patterns before, > > during and after the event. > > > > Don't wear your heart on your sleeve. > > > > Cheers, > > Ivan 'Only exist' Pope > > > > + + + ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:42:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lewis lacook Subject: Iraq Acknowledges Strike on Saddam's Home Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Iraq Acknowledges Strike on Saddam's Home 16 minutes ago Add Top Stories - AP to My Yahoo! By HAMZA HENDAWI, Associated Press Writer BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq (news - web sites)'s information minister acknowledged Friday that one of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s homes was hit in the U.S. bombardment, but said no one was hurt. "They rocketed the residence of his household," Mohammed Sa'eed al-Sahhaf said at a news conference. "But thank God, they are all safe." Al-Sahhaf lashed out at the "criminal George Bush and his gang." "They are superpower of villains. They are superpower of Al Capone," he said. "We will not allow them to get out of this quagmire which we trapped them in. They will see their end there." Saddam offered a reward of $14,000 to any Iraqi who kills an enemy soldier, and $28,000 to anyone who captures an enemy soldier alive, according to a decree reported by the official Iraqi News Agency. A semblance of normalcy returned to Baghdad after Thursday night's bombing. There was a great deal of traffic on the streets, many shops were open and many people were out on the street. But there was still a heavy security presence, including armed members of the ruling Baath Party, security forces and police, and pickup trucks mounted with heavy machine guns. The official Iraqi News Agency said 37 people were injured in Thursday night's raid at heart of Baghdad and in other locations in and around the city. Standing next to Al-Sahhaf at the news conference was Interior Minister Mahmoud Diab al-Ahmed, carrying a Kalashnikov rifle and ammunition and wearing a military uniform and flak jacket with a knife in the pocket and a pistol on his hip. "Some of you might may be wondering why do I have a Kalashnikov in my hand and wearing a flak jacket," he said. "Because we have all in Iraq pledged never to relinquish our weapons until the day of victory." Sahhaf also denied any U.S.-led advance into Iraq and argued that TV images of Iraqis surrendering were fabricated. "Those are not Iraqi soldiers at all," he said. "Where did they bring them from?" Al-Sahhaf suggested that any captured U.S. and British soldiers may not be treated as prisoners of war under the Geneva Conventions. Al-Sahhaf said Iraq was considering how to treat them. "Those are mercenaries. Most probably they will be treated as mercenaries, hirelings and as war criminals. ... For sure, international law does not apply to those," he said. A busload of journalists was taken to the main Al-Douri power plant, which was damaged in the 1991 Gulf War (news - web sites), where at least 12 human shields from Switzerland, Turkey, France and the United States are staying. The lone American, Mark Ubans of Wallington, Mo., said: "There seems to be no way to stop this war. So the least people can do is to try to protect civilians here." He said at least five American human shields are elsewhere in Iraq. ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Fort! Da! http://www.lewislacook.com/FortDa ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:00:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: FW: Shockinaw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shockinaw is really Shockinaw City, a small city in northern Michigan adjacent to the Straits of Shockinaw and not far from Shockinaw Island, a popular vacation destination. Shockinaw is where two of the Great Lakes (Lake Michigan and Lake Huron) come together. As a military strategy, Shockinaw begins by subjecting all Iraqis to round-the-clock exposure to CNN's Wolf Blitzkrieg and his incessant monotone, thought to be capable of stunning and pacifying the most determined resisters. It is thought that the combined waters of Lake Huron and Lake Michigan, when introduced into Iraq, will be capable of making the desert bloom, replacing the dry sands of tyranny with the fruits of democratic choice, overseen, of course, by a Supreme Court watchfully guarding the nation from the foolish decisions of an unwise electorate. Hal Do Not Take An Offensive Posture And You Will Not Be Destroyed Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:14:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: FW: Shockinaw Comments: To: Halvard Johnson In-Reply-To: <001601c2efb2$46f0d280$0968f6d1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr. Blitzer is apparently reporting on an anonymous tip that the "Shock & Awe" campaign of Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rummy will be immediately followed by a Dubya-led "Aw Shucks" Campaign. As in, "Aw, shucks, we murdered thousands of children." -m. Quoting Halvard Johnson : > Shockinaw is really Shockinaw City, a small city in northern Michigan > adjacent to the Straits of Shockinaw and not far from Shockinaw > Island, a popular vacation destination. Shockinaw is where two of > the Great Lakes (Lake Michigan and Lake Huron) come together. > As a military strategy, Shockinaw begins by subjecting all Iraqis to > round-the-clock exposure to CNN's Wolf Blitzkrieg and his incessant > monotone, thought to be capable of stunning and pacifying the most > determined resisters. > > It is thought that the combined waters of Lake Huron and Lake Michigan, > when introduced into Iraq, will be capable of making the desert bloom, > replacing the dry sands of tyranny with the fruits of democratic choice, > overseen, of course, by a Supreme Court watchfully guarding the nation > from the foolish decisions of an unwise electorate. > > Hal Do Not Take An Offensive Posture > And You Will Not Be Destroyed > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:57:13 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: On The Other Hand... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Auden changed that line, to his editor's great dismay, to something truer: "We must love one another and die. . . " Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:55:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christine-- Just wanted to let you know that, while this essay seems not to have been noticed much here on the list, I've passed it on to a number of people, and it seems fairly illuminating to me. Thanks for posting it. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { { FWD - { { { { { { *** It's not about oil or Iraq. It's about the US and Europe going { head-to-head on world economic dominance. *** { { Summary: Why is George Bush so hell bent on war with Iraq? Why does his { administration reject every positive Iraqi move? It all makes sense when you { consider the economic implications for the USA of not going to war with { Iraq. The war in Iraq is actually the US and Europe going head to head on { economic leadership of the world. { { America's Bush administration has been caught in outright lies, gross { exaggerations and incredible inaccuracies as it trotted out its litany of { paper thin excuses for making war on Iraq. Along with its two supporters, { Britain and Australia, it has shifted its ground and reversed its position { with a barefaced contempt for its audience. It has manipulated information, { deceived by commission and omission and frantically "bought" UN votes with { billion dollar bribes. { { Faced with the failure of gaining UN Security Council support for invading { Iraq, the USA has threatened to invade without authorisation. It would act { in breach of the UN's very constitution to allegedly enforced UN { resolutions. { { It is plain bizarre. Where does this desperation for war come from? { { There are many things driving President Bush and his administration to { invade Iraq, unseat Saddam Hussein and take over the country. But the { biggest one is hidden and very, very simple. It is about the currency used { to trade oil and consequently, who will dominate the world economically, in { the foreseeable future -- the USA or the European Union. { { Iraq is a European Union beachhead in that confrontation. America had a { monopoly on the oil trade, with the US dollar being the fiat currency, but { Iraq broke ranks in 1999, started to trade oil in the EU's euros, and { profited. If America invades Iraq and takes over, it will hurl the EU and { its euro back into the sea and make America's position as the dominant { economic power in the world all but impregnable. { { It is the biggest grab for world power in modern times. { { America's allies in the invasion, Britain and Australia, are betting America { will win and that they will get some trickle-down benefits for jumping on to { the US bandwagon. { { France and Germany are the spearhead of the European force -- Russia would { like to go European but possibly can still be bought off. { { Presumably, China would like to see the Europeans build a share of { international trade currency ownership at this point while it continues to { grow its international trading presence to the point where it, too, can { share the leadership rewards. { { DEBATE BUILDING ON THE INTERNET { { Oddly, little or nothing is appearing in the general media about this issue, { although key people are becoming aware of it -- note the recent slide in the { value of the US dollar. Are traders afraid of war? They are more likely to { be afraid there will not be war. { { But despite the silence in the general media, a major world discussion is { developing around this issue, particularly on the internet. Among the many { articles: Henry Liu, in the 'Asia Times' last June, it has been a hot topic { on the Feasta forum, an Irish-based group exploring sustainable economics, { and W. Clark's "The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War with Iraq: A { Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth" has been { published by the 'Sierra Times', 'Indymedia.org', and 'ratical.org'. { { This debate is not about whether America would suffer from losing the US { dollar monopoly on oil trading -- that is a given -- rather it is about { exactly how hard the USA would be hit. The smart money seems to be saying { the impact would be in the range from severe to catastrophic. The USA could { collapse economically. { { OIL DOLLARS { { The key to it all is the fiat currency for trading oil. { { Under an OPEC agreement, all oil has been traded in US dollars since 1971 { (after the dropping of the gold standard) which makes the US dollar the de { facto major international trading currency. If other nations have to hoard { dollars to buy oil, then they want to use that hoard for other trading too. { This fact gives America a huge trading advantage and helps make it the { dominant economy in the world. { { As an economic bloc, the European Union is the only challenger to the USA's { economic position, and it created the euro to challenge the dollar in { international markets. However, the EU is not yet united behind the euro -- { there is a lot of jingoistic national politics involved, not least in { Britain -- and in any case, so long as nations throughout the world must { hoard dollars to buy oil, the euro can make only very limited inroads into { the dollar's dominance. { { In 1999, Iraq, with the world's second largest oil reserves, switched to { trading its oil in euros. American analysts fell about laughing; Iraq had { just made a mistake that was going to beggar the nation. But two years on, { alarm bells were sounding; the euro was rising against the dollar, Iraq had { given itself a huge economic free kick by switching. { { Iran started thinking about switching too; Venezuela, the 4th largest oil { producer, began looking at it and has been cutting out the dollar by { bartering oil with several nations including America's bete noir, Cuba. { Russia is seeking to ramp up oil production with Europe (trading in euros) { an obvious market. { { The greenback's grip on oil trading and consequently on world trade in { general, was under serious threat. If America did not stamp on this { immediately, this economic brushfire could rapidly be fanned into a wildfire { capable of consuming the US's economy and its dominance of world trade. { { HOW DOES THE US GET ITS DOLLAR ADVANTAGE? { { Imagine this: you are deep in debt but every day you write cheques for { millions of dollars you don't have -- another luxury car, a holiday home at { the beach, the world trip of a lifetime. { { Your cheques should be worthless but they keep buying stuff because those { cheques you write never reach the bank! You have an agreement with the { owners of one thing everyone wants, call it petrol/gas, that they will { accept only your cheques as payment. This means everyone must hoard your { cheques so they can buy petrol/gas. Since they have to keep a stock of your { cheques, they use them to buy other stuff too. You write a cheque to buy a { TV, the TV shop owner swaps your cheque for petrol/gas, that seller buys { some vegetables at the fruit shop, the fruiterer passes it on to buy bread, { the baker buys some flour with it, and on it goes, round and round -- but { never back to the bank. { { You have a debt on your books, but so long as your cheque never reaches the { bank, you don't have to pay. In effect, you have received your TV free. { { This is the position the USA has enjoyed for 30 years -- it has been getting { a free world trade ride for all that time. It has been receiving a huge { subsidy from everyone else in the world. As it debt has been growing, it has { printed more money (written more cheques) to keep trading. No wonder it is { an economic powerhouse! { { Then one day, one petrol seller says he is going to accept another person's { cheques, a couple of others think that might be a good idea. If this { spreads, people are going to stop hoarding your cheques and they will come { flying home to the bank. Since you don't have enough in the bank to cover { all the cheques, very nasty stuff is going to hit the fan! { { But you are big, tough and very aggressive. You don't scare the other guy { who can write cheques, he's pretty big too, but given a 'legitimate' excuse, { you can beat the tripes out of the lone gas seller and scare him and his { mates into submission. { { And that, in a nutshell, is what the USA is doing right now with Iraq. { { AMERICA'S PRECARIOUS ECONOMIC POSITION { { America is so eager to attack Iraq now because of the speed with which the { euro fire could spread. If Iran, Venezuela and Russia join Iraq and sell { large quantities of oil for euros, the euro would have the leverage it needs { to become a powerful force in general international trade. Other nations { would have to start swapping some of their dollars for euros. { { The dollars the USA has printed, the 'cheques' it has written, would start { to fly home, stripping away the illusion of value behind them. The USA's { real economic condition is about as bad as it could be; it is the most { debt-ridden nation on earth, owing about US$12,000 for every single one of { it's 280 million men, women and children. It is worse than the position of { Indonesia when it imploded economically a few years ago, or more recently, { that of Argentina. { { Even if OPEC did not switch to euros wholesale (and that would make a very { nice non-oil profit for the OPEC countries, including minimising the various { contrived debts America has forced on some of them), the US's difficulties { would build. Even if only a small part of the oil trade went euro, that { would do two things immediately: { { * Increase the attractiveness to EU members of joining the 'eurozone', which { in turn would make the euro stronger and make it more attractive to oil { nations as a trading currency and to other nations as a general trading { currency. { { * Start the US dollars flying home demanding value when there isn't enough { in the bank to cover them. { { * The markets would over-react as usual and in no time, the US dollar's { value would be spiralling down. { { THE US SOLUTION { { America's response to the euro threat was predictable. It has come out { fighting. { { It aims to achieve four primary things by going to war with Iraq: { { * Safeguard the American economy by returning Iraq to trading oil in US { dollars, so the greenback is once again the exclusive oil currency. { { * Send a very clear message to any other oil producers just what will happen { to them if they do not stay in the dollar circle. Iran has already received { one message -- remember how puzzled you were that in the midst of moderation { and secularization, Iran was named as a member of the axis of evil? { { * Place the second largest reserves of oil in the world under direct { American control. { { * Provide a secular, subject state where the US can maintain a huge force { (perhaps with nominal elements from allies such as Britain and Australia) to { dominate the Middle East and its vital oil. This would enable the US to { avoid using what it sees as the unreliable Turkey, the politically { impossible Israel and surely the next state in its sights, Saudi Arabia, the { birthplace of al Qaeda and a hotbed of anti-American sentiment. { { * Severe setback the European Union and its euro, the only trading bloc and { currency strong enough to attack the USA's dominance of world trade through { the dollar. { { * Provide cover for the US to run a covert operation to overturn the { democratically elected government of Venezuela and replace it with an { America-friendly military supported junta -- and put Venezuala's oil into { American hands. { { Locking the world back into dollar oil trading would consolidate America's { current position and make it all but impregnable as the dominant world { power -- economically and militarily. A splintered Europe (the US is working { hard to split Europe; Britain was easy, but other Europeans have offered { support in terms of UN votes) and its euro would suffer a serious setback { and might take decades to recover. { { It is the boldest grab for absolute power the world has seen in modern { times. America is hardly likely to allow the possible slaughter of a few { hundred thousand Iraqis stand between it and world domination. { { President Bush did promise to protect the American way of life. This is what { he meant. { { JUSTIFYING WAR { { Obviously, the US could not simply invade Iraq, so it began casting around { for a 'legitimate' reason to attack. That search has been one of increasing { desperation as each rationalization has crumbled. First Iraq was a threat { because of alleged links to al Qaeda; then it was proposed Iraq might supply { al Qaeda with weapons; then Iraq's military threat to its neighbours was { raised; then the need to deliver Iraqis from Saddam Hussein's horrendously { inhumane rule; finally there is the question of compliance with UN weapons { inspection. { { The USA's justifications for invading Iraq are looking less impressive by { the day. The US's statements that it would invade Iraq unilaterally without { UN support and in defiance of the UN make a total nonsense of any American { claim that it is concerned about the world body's strength and standing. { { The UN weapons inspectors have come up with minimal infringements of the UN { weapons limitations -- the final one being low tech rockets which exceed the { range allowed by about 20 percent. But there is no sign of the so-called { weapons of mass destruction (WMD) the US has so confidently asserted are to { be found. Colin Powell named a certain north Iraqi village as a threat. It { was not. He later admitted it was the wrong village. { { 'Newsweek' (24/2) has reported that while Bush officials have been { trumpeting the fact that key Iraqi defector, Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel, told { the US in 1995 that Iraq had manufactured tonnes of nerve gas and anthrax { (Colin Powell's 5 February presentation to the UN was just one example) they { neglected to mention that Kamel had also told the US that these weapons had { been destroyed. { { Parts of the US and particularly the British secret 'evidence' have been { shown to come from a student's masters thesis. { { America's expressed concern about the Iraqi people's human rights and the { country's lack of democracy are simply not supported by the USA's history of { intervention in other states nor by its current actions. Think Guatemala, { the Congo, Chile and Nicaragua as examples of a much larger pool of US { actions to tear down legitimate, democratically elected governments and { replace them with war, disruption, starvation, poverty, corruption, { dictatorships, torture, rape and murder for its own economic ends. The most { recent, Afghanistan, is not looking good; in fact that reinstalled a { murderous group of warlords which America had earlier installed, then { deposed, in favour of the now hated Taliban. { { Saddam Hussein was just as repressive, corrupt and murderous 15 years ago { when he used chemical weapons, supplied by the US, against the Kurds. The { current US Secretary for Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, so vehement against Iraq { now, was on hand personally to turn aside condemnation of Iraq and blame { Iran. At that time, of course, the US thought Saddam Hussein was their { man -- they were using him against the perceived threat of Iran's Islamic { fundamentalism. { { Right now, as 'The Independent' writer, Robert Fisk, has noted, the US's { efforts to buy Algeria's UN vote includes promises of re-arming the military { which has a decade long history of repression, torture, rape and murder { Saddam Hussein himself would envy. It is estimated 200,000 people have died, { and countless others been left maimed by the activities of these monsters. { What price the US's humanitarian concerns for Iraqis? (Of course, the French { are also wooing Algeria, their former north African territory, for all they { are worth, but at least they are not pretending to be driven by humanitarian { concerns.) { { Indonesia is another nation with a vote and influence as the largest Muslim { nation in the world. Its repressive, murderous military is regaining { strength on the back of the US's so-called anti-terror campaign and is { receiving promises of open and covert support -- including intelligence { sharing. { { AND VENEZUELA { { While the world's attention is focused on Iraq, America is both openly and { covertly supporting the "coup of the rich" in Venezuela, which grabbed power { briefly in April last year before being intimidated by massive public { displays of support by the poor for democratically-elected President Chavez { Frias. The coup leaders continue to use their control of the private media, { much of industry and the ear of the American Government and its oily { intimates to cause disruption and disturbance. { { Venezuela's state-owned oil resources would make rich pickings for American { oil companies and provide the US with an important oil source in its own { backyard. { { Many writers have noted the contradiction between America's alleged desire { to establish democracy in Iraq while at the same time, actively undermining { the democratically-elected government in Venezuela. Above the line, America { rushed to recognise the coup last April; more recently, President Bush has { called for "early elections", ignoring the fact that President Chavez Frias { has won three elections and two referendums and, in any case, early { elections would be unconstitutional. { { One element of the USA's covert action against Venezuela is the behaviour of { American transnational businesses, which have locked out employees in { support of "national strike" action. Imagine them doing that in the USA! { There is no question that a covert operation is in process to overturn the { legitimate Venezuelan government. Uruguayan congressman, Jose Nayardi, made { it public when he revealed that the Bush administration had asked for { Uruguay's support for Venezuelan white collar executives and trade union { activists "to break down levels of intransigence within the Chavez Frias { administration". The process, he noted, was a shocking reminder of the CIA's { 1973 intervention in Chile which saw General Pinochet lead his military coup { to take over President Allende's democratically elected government in a { bloodbath. { { President Chavez Frias is desperately clinging to government, but with the { might of the USA aligned with his opponents, how long can he last? { { THE COST OF WAR { { Some have claimed that an American invasion of Iraq would cost so many { billions of dollars that oil returns would never justify such an action. { { But when the invasion is placed in the context of the protection of the { entire US economy for now and into the future, the balance of the argument { changes. { { Further, there are three other vital factors: { { First, America will be asking others to help pay for the war because it is { protecting their interests. Japan and Saudi Arabia made serious { contributions to the cost of the 1991 Gulf war. { { Second -- in reality, war will cost the USA very little -- or at least, very { little over and above normal expenditure. This war is already paid for! All { the munitions and equipment have been bought and paid for. The USA would { have to spend hardly a cent on new hardware to prosecute this war -- the { expenditure will come later when munitions and equipment have to be replaced { after the war. But munitions, hardware andso on are being replaced all the { time -- contracts are out. Some contracts will simply be brought forward and { some others will be ramped up a bit, but spread over a few years, the cost { will not be great. And what is the real extra cost of an army at war { compared with maintaining the standing army around the world, running { exercises and so on? It is there, but it is a relatively small sum. { { Third -- lots of the extra costs involved in the war are dollars spent { outside America, not least in the purchase of fuel. Guess how America will { pay for these? By printing dollars it is going to war to protect. The same { happens when production begins to replace hardware. components, minerals, { etc. are bought in with dollars that go overseas and exploit America's { trading advantage. { { The cost of war is not nearly as big as it is made out to be. The cost of { not going to war would be horrendous for the USA -- unless there were { another way of protecting the greenback's world trade dominance. { { AMERICA'S TWO ACTIVE ALLIES { { Why are Australia and Britain supporting America in its transparent Iraqi { war ploy? { { Australia, of course, has significant US dollar reserves and trades widely { in dollars and extensively with America. A fall in the US dollar would { reduce Australia's debt, perhaps, but would do nothing for the Australian { dollar's value against other currencies. John Howard, the Prime Minister, { has long cherished the dream of a free trade agreement with the USA in the { hope that Australia can jump on the back of the free ride America gets in { trade through the dollar's position as the major trading medium. That would { look much less attractive if the euro took over a significant part of the { oil trade. { { Britain has yet to adopt the euro. If the US takes over Iraq and blocks the { euro's incursion into oil trading, Tony Blair will have given his French and { German counterparts a bloody nose, and gained more room to manouevre on the { issue -- perhaps years more room. Britain would be in a position to demand a { better deal from its EU partners for entering the "eurozone" if the new { currency could not make the huge value gains guaranteed by a significant { role in world oil trading. It might even be in a position to withdraw from { Europe and link with America against continental Europe. { { On the other hand, if the US cannot maintain the oil trade dollar monopoly, { the euro will rapidly go from strength to strength, and Britain could be { left begging to be allowed into the club. { { THE OPPOSITION { { Some of the reasons for opposition to the American plan are obvious -- { America is already the strongest nation on earth and dominates world trade { through its dollar. If it had control of the Iraqi oil and a base for its { forces in the Middle East, it would not add to, but would multiply its { power. { { The oil-producing nations, particularly the Arab ones, can see the writing { on the wall and are quaking in their boots. { { France and Germany are the EU leaders with the vision of a resurgent, united { Europe taking its rightful place in the world and using its euro currency as { a world trading reserve currency and thus gaining some of the free ride the { United States enjoys now. They are the ones who initiated the euro oil trade { with Iraq. { { Russia is in deep economic trouble and knows it will get worse the day { America starts exploiting its take-over of Afghanistan by running a pipeline { southwards via Afghanistan from the giant southern Caspian oil fields. { Currently, that oil is piped northwards -- where Russia has control. { { Russia is in the process of ramping up oil production with the possibility { of trading some of it for euros and selling some to the US itself. Russia { already has enough problems with the fact that oil is traded in US dollars; { if the US has control of Iraqi oil, it could distort the market to Russia's { enormous disadvantage. In addition, Russia has interests in Iraqi oil; an { American take over could see them lost. Already on its knees, Russia could { be beggared before a mile of the Afghanistan pipeline is laid. { { ANOTHER SOLUTION? { { The scenario clarifies the seriousness of America's position and explains { its frantic drive for war. It also suggests that solutions other than war { are possible. { { Could America agree to share the trading goodies by allowing Europe to have { a negotiated part of it? Not very likely, but it is just possible Europe can { stare down the USA and force such an outcome. Time will tell. What about { Europe taking the statesmanlike, humanitarian and long view, and { withdrawing, leaving the oil to the US, with appropriate safeguards for { ordinary Iraqis and democracy in Venezuela? { { Europe might then be forced to adopt a smarter approach -- perhaps { accelerating the development of alternative energy technologies which would { reduce the EU's reliance on oil for energy and produce goods it could trade { for euros -- shifting the world trade balance. { { Now that would be a very positive outcome for everyone. { { . . . . { { Geoffrey Heard is a Melbourne, Australia, writer on the environment, { sustainability and human rights. . . . . { { Geoffrey Heard © 2003. Anyone is free to circulate this document provided it { is complete and in its current form with attribution and no payment is { asked. It is prohibited to reproduce this document or any part of it for { commercial gain without the prior permission of the author. For such { permission, contact the author at gheard@surf.net.au. { { SOME REFERENCES AND FURTHER INFORMATION: { { http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html { 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A Macroeconomic and { Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth' by W. Clark, January 2003 { (revised 20 February), Independent Media Center, www.indymedia.org { { http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=28334 { This war is about more than oil. OIL DOLLARS!!!! DOLLARS, THE EURO AND WAR { IN IRAQ. This story is based on material posted by Richard Douthwaite on the { FEASTA list in Ireland. { { http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1550023_comment.php#1551138 { USA intelligence agencies revealed in plot to oust Venezuela's President { { http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:54:29 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anne Boyer Subject: Dissent in Des Moines The peculiarities of the heartland: In Des Moines, Iowa, at noon, straggling protesters (maybe 75?) met downtown, under the sculpture of a giant umbrella, holding signs damp from spring mist. We listened as a radical priest read a plea to troops to give up their guns. A Quaker sold slogan buttons. A former ROTC expressed her sadness at our country gone to war. A vet wore an anti-war pin next to his purple heart. A few homeless men milled about, curious about what was going on in their living room. One asked me about the photo of an Iraqi child safety-pinned to my jacket, then told me, politely, to “enjoy myself”. We strolled around the federal building which was fenced in so that workers might reconstruct the *façade*. We always, as Midwesterners do, waited for walk signals. Later, a large Methodist church was packed with stodgy elders, bored children, well-coifed soccer moms, sincere and blond college students. Clergy after clergy addressed their Gods with *shock and awe*, repenting for our country’s evil. One clergy assured us we were forgiven, but I don't know who believed her. Congregants pinned sack cloth to their clothes. The order of service was illustrated with a grainy photocopy of Guernica. We sang strange, discomforting, anthems of God’s might. Grown men, Iowans with faces normally as orderly as their corn fields, removed glasses to blot chaotic tears. The Baptists, the Unitarians, the Catholics linked hands, and there were cookies in the basement after. I heard a woman in the pew behind me discussing her plans for civil disobedience. I turned around to see an uber-Iowa matron: short puffy graying hair, conservative floral sweater, tastefully neutral makeup, and a round honest grief-stricken face. Regards, Anne Boyer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:13:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: Fw: WAR QUOTE OF THE DAY! Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, susanlannen@hotmail.com, edcohen@rci.rutgers.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-From_: bgscs@netzero.net Thu Mar 20 08:28:15 2003 >From: "Claude Schoepf" >To: "vatuk" , > , > , > "Geoscience Information Services" , > , > , > , > "Eric Boute" , > "Lillian Trager" , > "Helen Safa" , > "Maria Damon" , > "David L. Nugent" , > "Joan Vincent" , > "Huber Jane" , > , > >Subject: Fw: WAR QUOTE OF THE DAY! >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:28:37 -0500 >X-Priority: 3 >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >http://umn.edu/mc/s?BejpUf1cR8TQpr.Zk17uIrn7MddDYMrT,3j,LDmmAGXc61hXNBh3VxYe,L2htMiLvJUO2yUZdquE >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] smtp01.wlv.untd.com #+CU+OF (A,-) >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m4.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM > >This was heard on NPR last week > >"All right, let me see if I understand the logic of this correctly. We are >going to ignore the United Nations in order to make clear to Saddam Hussein >that the United Nations cannotbe ignored. >We're going to wage war to preserve the UN's ability to avert war. >The paramount principle is that the UN's word must be taken seriously, and >if we have to subvert its word to guarantee that it is, then by gum, we >will. >Peace is too important not to take up arms to defend. Am I getting this >right? >> > > >> > >Further, if the only way to bring democracy to Iraq is to vitiate the >democracy of the Security Council, then we are honor-bound to do that too, >because democracy, as we define it, is too important to be stopped by a >little thing like democracy as they define it. >> > > >Also, in dealing with a man who brooks no dissension at home, we cannot >afford dissensionamong ourselves. We must speak with one voice against >Saddam Hussein's failure to allow opposing voices to be heard. >We are sending our gathered might to the Persian Gulf to make the point that >might does not make right, as Saddam Hussein seems to >think it does. >And we are twisting the arms of the opposition until it agrees to let us >oust a regime that twists the arms of the opposition. We cannot leave in >power a dictator who ignores his own people. > >And if our people, and people elsewhere in the world, fail to understand >that, then we have no choice but to ignore them." > > > > >- PETER FREUNDLICH -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:29:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Listening Posts In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20030316200446.0305b320@pop.bway.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" how about, stephen vincent, collecting your "imagined truths" newsblurbs into one section of a volume? how about collecting some of the post 9/11 reports (from charles, gary sullivan, brian k stefans, lee ann brown etc) into another section of the volume? reports on anti-war demos for another? nick n barrett, ditto for your chain piece and surrounding posts? anyone interested in publishing it? jane sprague, a la your ammiel alcalay piece? miekal xexoxial? not to put anyone on the spot here, just throwing out ideas. a different face of "poets against the war" in dialogue and multilogue. At 12:47 PM -0500 3/17/03, Charles Bernstein wrote: >I share Steve Vincent's sentiments about the sadness -- and madness -- of >the day. > >Maria Damon, in a recent post, reminded me of the role the Poetics List has >played in times of crisis like the present -- but also times of relative >calm. Joel Kuszai's selection from the earlier days of the list is still >available in print form Roof, but we have also put it up as two HTML files at >http://epc.buffalo.edu/presses/roof/ > >Over the years, the Poetics List has provided an important forum for >information and exchange, including announcements about other sites of >information and exchange, from web logs to web mags. One source among many, >to be sure; but I, for one, have relied upon the information I get here. > >I want to thank Christopher Alexander for his years of volunteer work as >list moderator and also to thank Lori Emerson for agreeing to take over the >job. I very much appreciate their generosity in handling not only editorial >issues, but also technical problems and subscriptions requests. > >It's sometimes harder to listen than to speak, or anyway so I have found. >At times like these, I value the listening posts available to me all the more. > >Charles Bernstein -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:49:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: [Fwd: Herbert Aptheker, 1915-2003] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > >I am assuming you all know this news, and I apologize for the >duplication if you have this San Jose obit./article as such, but/and >another to mourn and celebrate. . . > >Scholar Herbert Aptheker dies at 88 >=================================== > >Jack Fischer >San Jose Mercury News >3/19/2003 > >Herbert Aptheker, a seminal scholar of African-American >history and a lifelong radical who counseled two >generations of American leftists, died at his home in >Mountain View on Monday of complications from >pneumonia. He was 88. > >He and his wife, Fay, who died in 1999, had lived in >San Jose since the 1970s. Aptheker moved to Mountain >View shortly after falling ill. > >His scholarship on African-American history preceded >the discipline's broad acceptance on American >university campuses and was a source of inspiration for >the current generation of scholars. They include Henry >Louis Gates at Harvard and Clayborne Carson, director >of the Martin Luther King papers project at Stanford, >among many friends in the field. > >"Any young person who came along in the field of >African-American studies in the '70s '80s and '90s, as >I did, touched base with Herbert's work,'' Carson said >Tuesday. "He provided a foundation that inspired us.'' > >Aptheker was a protege of W.E.B. Dubois, who made the >younger man his literary executor. Aptheker and his >wife spent many years editing and publishing the >African-American leader's papers. > >In his final months, Aptheker had been working with >Carson to put the finishing touches on a new edition of >Aptheker's "Documentary History of the Negro People,'' >his multi-volume magnum opus of the writings of >African-Americans dating back 300 years. It would be >the last of more than 80 volumes of scholarly writing >he published. > >But it was Aptheker's politics that garnered the most >headlines through the years. > >He was for decades a leading theorist of the Communist >Party U.S.A. before resigning in 1991. He also was the >father of Bettina Aptheker, a former leader of the >Berkeley Free Speech Movement, and was a friend to >1960s radical and Black Panther leader Angela Davis. >(Both women now teach at UC-Santa Cruz, where Aptheker >was the chair of Women's Studies.) And it was Herbert >Aptheker who, in Christmas 1965, led a delegation that >included former state Sen. Tom Hayden, then the leader >of Students for a Democratic Society, to Hanoi during >the Vietnam War. > >Aptheker spoke widely on college campuses in the 1960s. >His rapport with students in 1965 prompted the FBI in >internal memos to dub him "the most dangerous communist >in the United States,'' an appellation that amused and >pleased him. > >Those meeting Aptheker for the first time and expecting >a frosty ideologue were surprised by his easy warmth >and often gently profane humor. Aptheker, as given to >funny Yiddishisms as to fiery rhetoric, seemed mostly >like the Brooklyn denizen he originally was, albeit a >particularly well-educated one. > >Herbert Aptheker was born in Brooklyn on July 31, 1915, >the youngest of five children of a Russian immigrant >who came to be known as the "Underwear King'' for the >way he made his fortune. > >Young Herbert was raised in part by an African-American >woman who worked in the family household. That, >combined with trips to the segregated South in the >1930s, had exposed Aptheker to the abject poverty of >many blacks and helped fuse his scholarly interests >with the radicalism of the day. > >In 1939, in a quest for social justice, he joined the >American Communist Party, then near its peak of >influence. He received his doctorate in history from >Columbia University in 1943. > >With the arrival of World War II, Aptheker enlisted and >served as an artillery commander in Europe, rising to >the rank of major. After the war, he returned to a >changed world. The Cold War had begun. Unwilling to >give up his party membership and unable to get a >faculty appointment because of it, he won a Guggenheim >fellowship and began work on his ``Documentary >History.'' The first volume appeared in 1951. > >For much of the 1950s, Aptheker fought the country's >anti-communist purges. He testified on behalf of >several leading Communist Party officials being >prosecuted for their membership. Inexplicably, Aptheker >never was prosecuted. > >Aptheker's stalwart defense of the Soviet Union for so >many years left him open to charges by critics that he >was an apologist for the regime's worst excesses. In >1991, with the Soviet Union teetering on extinction, he >acknowledged the ``monstrous reality'' of its actions. >He quit the party, but never for a moment wavered in >his radicalism. > >He is survived by his daughter, Bettina; a niece, >Claire Grotsky of Hillsborough; a nephew, David Artson >of San Francisco, and grandchildren Jenny Kurzweil of >Santa Cruz and Joshua Kurzweil of Tokyo. > >The family asks that donations in Aptheker's memory be >made to the Middle East Children's Alliance, 905 Parker >St., Berkeley, Calif. 94710, or the Schomburg Center >for Research in Black Culture, 515 Malcolm X Blvd., New >York, N.Y. 10037-1801. >---------------------------------------------- >Contact Jack Fischer at jfischer@m... or (408) 920-5440. >http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/5427380.htm > > >================= > >Herbert Aptheker, 87, Prolific Marxist >Historian, Is Dead > >By CHRISTOPHER LEHMANN-HAUPT >New York Times > >March 20, 2003 > >Herbert Aptheker, the prolific Marxist historian best >known for his three-volume "Documentary History of the >Negro People in the United States" and for editing the >correspondence and writing of his mentor, W. E. B. >DuBois, died on Monday in Mountain View, Calif. He was >87. > >Along with his work on black history and his outspoken >defense of civil rights, he was known as a dominant >voice on the American left in the 1950's and 60's and >as one of the first scholars to denounce American >military involvement in Vietnam. His political views, >and particularly a fact-finding trip to Hanoi and >Beijing in 1966, resulted in threats by Washington to >revoke his passport, a move that provoked a high- >profile debate about the legality of State Department >travel restrictions. > >In another public feud, Mr. Aptheker took on the author >William Styron, after the publication of his best- >selling 1967 novel "The Confessions of Nat Turner," a >re-creation of the 1831 Virginia slave insurrection. >Mr. Aptheker, as well as some black writers and >historians, accused Mr. Styron of distorting the record >and promoting racial stereotypes. Mr. Styron, who >called his book a "meditation on history," hotly >rejected Mr. Aptheker's view, saying it was tainted by >politics. > >Although he wrote, taught and lectured widely on his >political views, his only major attempt at elective >office was an unsuccessful campaign for the House of >Representatives from Brooklyn in 1966 on the Peace and >Freedom ticket. > >Among his lasting contributions was the editing of the >DuBois letters. Writing in The New York Times Sunday >Book Review, the historian Eric Foner called "The >Correspondence of W. E. B. DuBois" (Massachusetts, >1973-1978) "a landmark in Afro-American history." > >Yet when DuBois appointed Mr. Aptheker (pronounced AP- >tek-er) his literary executor in 1946 and subsequently >turned over to him his vast correspondence shortly >before his death in 1963, the move was vocally >criticized in the black intellectual community. Some >felt that as a white man Mr. Aptheker could not truly >identify with the black American experience. Others >thought that for DuBois to have chosen an avowed >Marxist to edit his papers was to make him vulnerable >to the accusation, often voiced in the McCarthy era, >that he himself was opposed to the American way of >life. > >Yet Mr. Aptheker's editing was greeted with wide >praise. Reviewers said that his own extensive writing >on African-American history had clearly prepared him >for the task. Jay Saunders Redding, the black author >and teacher, wrote in Phylon, a journal founded by >DuBois, that "what gives a special importance to the >letters it contains is the light they shed on the why >and how of this history and on the men and women who >made it." > >Herbert Aptheker was born on July 31, 1915, in >Brooklyn, the youngest of five children of Benjamin >Aptheker, a successful manufacturer of women's >underwear, and Rebecca Komar Aptheker. He graduated >from Columbia University in 1936, completed a master's >degree there in 1937 and a doctorate in history in >1943. His dissertation was published under the title >"Black Slave Revolts" (Columbia, 1942). > >In September 1939, just after he began working toward >his doctorate, he joined the Communist Party, because, >he said, he saw it as an anti-fascist force and a >progressive voice for race relations. He was a hostile >witness before the House Committee on Un-American >Activities in 1951, and throughout the 1950's he >remained on the defensive for his radical views, >experiencing violent threats and close federal >surveillance. > >In 1942, he married Fay Philippa Aptheker, his first >cousin. She died in 1999. They had one child, a >daughter, Bettina, a leader of the Berkeley Free Speech >Movement who is a professor and the chairwoman of >Women's Studies at the University of California at >Santa Cruz. He is also survived by two grandchildren. > > >From 1942 until 1946, Mr. Aptheker served in the Army, >seeing action as an artillery officer in Europe and >rising to the rank of major. His first published work >was a pamphlet, "The Negro in the Civil War" (1938), >later compiled with other pamphlets under the title "To >Be Free: Studies in American Negro History" >(International Publishers, 1948). After the publication >of his dissertation in 1942, he produced books almost >yearly. Among his more notable works, in addition to >his "Documentary History" (Citadel, 1951-1975) were his >multivolume "History of the American People" >(International, 1959-1976) and "Anti-Racism in U.S. >History" (Greenwood, 1992). In "Anti-Racism," he traced >the thread of opposition to black racism that he saw >running throughout American history. > >After he returned to New York after World War II, he >applied for a teaching position at Columbia and was >advised that because of his politics he would never be >hired. In fact he was excluded from academic life until >1969, when student demands for a course on black >history led to an invitation to teach at Bryn Mawr >College, where he remained until 1973. Yet throughout >his long career he lectured informally on black >history. > >He was also DuBois lecturer at the University of >Massachusetts at Amherst from 1971 to 1972, as a >professor at Hostos Community College of the City >University of New York from 1971 to 1977 and as a >visiting lecturer at Yale, the University of California >at Berkeley Law School and Humboldt University in >Berlin. He was an associate editor at Masses and >Mainstream from 1948 to 1953 and an editor at Political >Affairs from 1953 to 1963. In 1964, he founded the >American Institute of Marxist Studies in New York. > >Mr. Aptheker's trip to Hanoi and Beijing in January >1966 stirred a whirlwind of debate over Washington's >travel restrictions to certain countries. Mr. Aptheker >made the trip with Staughton Lynd, then a history >professor at Yale, and Tom Hayden, a founder of >Students for a Democratic Society. > >The widely publicized visit was billed as a mission to >sound out the government of North Vietnam about the >possibility of a negotiated end to the Vietnam War. >Federal law on the broadly drawn State Department rules >was unsettled. In one case that seemed to put Mr. >Aptheker in the clear, the Supreme Court had held >unconstitutionally broad a regulation that barred all >Communists from traveling in all countries where >passports are required. But when the three men >returned, the State Department, which viewed their trip >as meddlesome, took steps to restrict their travel, >though it eventually backed down. > >To the end of his life, Mr. Aptheker saw his friendship >with DuBois as formative. He recalled how in the late >40's they shared an office on 40th Street in Manhattan >when DuBois was director of publicity and research for >the National Association for the Advancement of Colored >People. One day, Mr. Aptheker recalled, DuBois "said to >me, `Herbert, any time you have a problem, don't >hesitate, just ask me." This meant, he said, having >access to one of America's most dynamic minds. "Imagine >what that meant to me. I had it right here, and I had >the New York Public Library across the street." > >Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company > > > > >__________________________________________________________________ >Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! >http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 > >Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! >http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 > > >portside (the left side in nautical parlance) is a >news, discussion and debate service of the Committees >of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. It >aims to provide varied material of interest to people >on the left. > >Post : mail to 'portside@yahoogroups.com' >Subscribe : mail to 'portside-subscribe@yahoogroups.com' >Unsubscribe : mail to 'portside-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com' >List owner : portside-owner@yahoogroups.com >Web address : >Digest mode : visit Web site > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:03:46 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Lydia Davis, Brenda Coultas, Suzanne Wise, read March 28, NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, Just to let you know: ENJOY BELLADONNA** with Lydia Davis Brenda Coultas and Suzanne Wise * Friday, March 28, 6:30 p.m. at Zinc Bar 90 W. Houston Street, NYC (between LaGuardia Place/Thompson, below Zamir fur shop) A $4 donation is suggested. *** Lydia Davis is the author of a novel, The End of the Story (Farrar, Straus=20 & Giroux, 1995), and several collections of stories, the most recent of=20 which is Samuel Johnson is Indignant (Picador, 2002). She is also the=20 translator of numerous works from the French. Her version of Proust's=20 Swann's Way was published this past fall by Penguin Classics UK under the=20 title The Way by Swann's and will be appearing as Swann's Way in a Viking=20 edition this coming October.=20 Brenda Coultas is the author of Boyeye (Art Institute of Maryland, 1999), A=20 Summer Newsreel (Second Story Press, Summer of =E2=80=9999) and a full-lengt= h=20 volume, A Handmade Museum (Coffee House Press) to be released in April=20 of this year. Her work has appeared in Epoch, Fence, Open City, Lungfull!,=20 and The Poetry Project Newsletter, (which she edited from 1998 to 1999) and=20 the anthologies Poep (E-book, Rattapallax, 2001), Heights of the Marvelous=20 (St. Martins Press, 2000) and (New) American Poets (Talisman, 1999). She is= =20 the recipient of several scholarships, including the Fund for Poetry, and th= e=20 Greenwald Fund from the Academy of American Poets. She teaches at Tuoro=20 College in NYC. Suzanne Wise is the author of the poetry collection The Kingdom of the=20 Subjunctive (Alice James Books, 2000). Her poetry has also appeared in the=20 anthology American Poetry: the Next Generation (Carnegie Mellon, 2000) and=20 the literary magazines Fence, Lit, Pierogi Press, Denver Quarterly, Tikkun,=20= B oston Review, Volt, 13th Moon and elsewhere. She is currently at work on a=20 novel entitled The Blur Model; excerpts have been published in Pierogi Press= =20 and NowCulture. *** Belladonna* is a feminist/innovative reading and publication series that=20 promotes the work of women writers who are adventurous, experimental,=20 politically involved, multi-form, multicultural, multi-gendered, delicious t= o=20 talk about, unpredictable, dangerous with language. BELLADONNA* has feature= d=20 such writers as Erica Hunt, Fanny Howe, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Cecilia=20 Vicu=C3=83=C2=B1a, Lisa Jarnot, Camille Roy, Nicole Brossard, Abigail Child=20= and Chris=20 Tysh, among many other experimental and hybrid women writers. Beyond being=20= a=20 platform for women writers, the curators promote work that is experimental i= n=20 form, connects with other art forms, and is socially/politically active in=20 content. Alongside the readings, BELLADONNA* supports its artists by=20 publishing commemorative pamphlets of their work on the night of the event.=20= =20 Please contact us (Rachel Levitsky and Erica Kaufman) at belladonnaseries@yahoo.com and/or visit the website if you would like to= =20 receive a catalog or hear more about our salons.=20 http://www.durationpress= .com/belladonna *a short all women open reading will precede the feature event **deadly nightshade, a cardiac and respiratory stimulant, having=20 purplish-red flowers and black berries ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:14:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: EMERSON or Me good...Bush bad... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Bush is closer to John Brown >or Emerson in his evil-doer >fervor... Except for, in Emerson's case, the annoying ability to grasp facets of complex issues. There is a passage in Emerson-- I am recalling from memory a text I probably haven't read probably since my youth, but it goes something like, "If I am the Devil's son, I shall sleep in my father's house." So yes, in this sense, very much. Though, given the governor's deeply professed faith, it is a little bit ironic, Mr. Noodle, wouldn't you agree? Mark DuCharme _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:24:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: EMERSON or Me good...Bush bad... Comments: To: Mark DuCharme In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark, the quote is a bit different: "If I am the Devil's child, I will live then from the Devil" from "Self-Reliance" - as you can see, not something George W. Bush would ever even think of saying. Emerson has to be the misrepresented writer in world history. Was it Harry Nudel who said this thing below comparing him to Bush? Hey Harry, as usual you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Do yourself a favor, get your head out of your ass and go read Emerson's antislavery speeches. -m. Quoting Mark DuCharme : > >Bush is closer to John Brown > >or Emerson in his evil-doer > >fervor... > > Except for, in Emerson's case, the annoying ability to grasp facets of > complex issues. > > There is a passage in Emerson-- I am recalling from memory a text I probably > haven't read probably since my youth, but it goes something like, "If I am > the Devil's son, I shall sleep in my father's house." > > So yes, in this sense, very much. Though, given the governor's deeply > professed faith, it is a little bit ironic, Mr. Noodle, wouldn't you agree? > > > Mark DuCharme > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:43:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Listening Posts Comments: To: Maria Damon In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks for your kind thoughts here, Maria. A great idea, a multiple assemblage contre la querre. Aren't we all "virtual situationists" - of so I think of the work of the boys & girls who work for Gothix. What a crew! Not to sound vain, but - like Spicer's Martians - they invade through out the night, giving this transcriber little rest. But - at the moment - who can take any time to rest?!! Any way I am up for asking the Gothix folks for permission to reprint pieces from the News Service - from virtual to print, what a concept! To the sound helicopters - music or threat? - jacking up the skies of San Francisco. War quickens, Stephen V on 3/21/03 8:29 AM, Maria Damon at damon001@UMN.EDU wrote: > how about, stephen vincent, collecting your "imagined truths" > newsblurbs into one section of a volume? > how about collecting some of the post 9/11 reports (from charles, > gary sullivan, brian k stefans, lee ann brown etc) into another > section of the volume? > reports on anti-war demos for another? > nick n barrett, ditto for your chain piece and surrounding posts? > anyone interested in publishing it? jane sprague, a la your ammiel > alcalay piece? miekal xexoxial? > not to put anyone on the spot here, just throwing out ideas. > a different face of "poets against the war" in dialogue and multilogue. > > > At 12:47 PM -0500 3/17/03, Charles Bernstein wrote: >> I share Steve Vincent's sentiments about the sadness -- and madness -- of >> the day. >> >> Maria Damon, in a recent post, reminded me of the role the Poetics List has >> played in times of crisis like the present -- but also times of relative >> calm. Joel Kuszai's selection from the earlier days of the list is still >> available in print form Roof, but we have also put it up as two HTML files at >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/presses/roof/ >> >> Over the years, the Poetics List has provided an important forum for >> information and exchange, including announcements about other sites of >> information and exchange, from web logs to web mags. One source among many, >> to be sure; but I, for one, have relied upon the information I get here. >> >> I want to thank Christopher Alexander for his years of volunteer work as >> list moderator and also to thank Lori Emerson for agreeing to take over the >> job. I very much appreciate their generosity in handling not only editorial >> issues, but also technical problems and subscriptions requests. >> >> It's sometimes harder to listen than to speak, or anyway so I have found. >> At times like these, I value the listening posts available to me all the >> more. >> >> Charles Bernstein > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:48:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Re: Emerson at a time like this Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I dunno, Mike. I would damn well say the period following Sept. 11th was a low point in our culture & history, what with "orange alerts" (which always makes me think of the old Clark Coolidge poem that has the line "ounce code orange") & the USA Patriot Act (ha!-- there's a fine bit of bilge to inspect). But now, right now, I read about the heroic resistance that happened in San Francisco & Philly & DC. & Here in not-so-sleepy Boulder, I attended a protest yesterday with some 600 others-- & there were other events which I didn't make it to. & My 10 year old daughter knows Bush is a dangerous idiot, & made a sign which hangs in our window: "War is terrible, Peace rules." (Okay, I admit to a little justifiable parental pride here). & All over I'm seeing people starting to act up, to question what "our leaders" are saying, even as the sickenly servile media, from Wolf Blitzer to Scott Simon, tries to spoon feed us the administration's lies. It's not enough, but it never is. However, I know that for every person arrested, & even for every person who attends a protest, there are many more who question, & who object to what is going on. One can see the situation & despair, but right now I see it & I choose to hope-- because that's maybe all I can do-- that this will politicize a lot more USAmericans, & that this in turn will result in some change. War is all-encompassing, as Williams pointed out, & its horror & might dwarf us. All we have is the ability to keep telling the truth, & the hope in the end that it make a difference. Mark DuCharme <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'A sentence thinks loudly.' -—Gertrude Stein http://www.pavementsaw.org/cosmopolitan.htm http://www.nyspp.com/lisa/soc.htm >From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Emerson at a time like this >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:03:13 -0500 > >Hi all, > >Have been bolstered today by the reports from SF. I've heard a few people >lamenting this moment as a low point in American history. A low point it >surely is but its one among many I'm afraid, and that's from someone who >tends >to be fairly high and optimistic on U.S. culture, if not U.S. government. >The >truth seems to be that we very rarely live up to the high ideals expressed >in >the original draft of the Declaration of Independence (the one which >included >emancipation of slaves before Georgia and South Carolina insisted on its >removal) and the Bill of Rights. Every once in a while we get a decade >where >we, the inmates, somehow gain control of the asylum. Abolitionists like >Douglass and Emerson were surely even more exasperated than we are in their >day. Emerson said this about the state of American democracy on the eve of >the >Civil War: > >"Language has lost its meaning in the universal cant, Representative >Government is really misrepresentative; Union is a conspiracy against the >Northern States which the Northern States are to have the privilege of >paying >for; the adding of Cuba and Central America to the slave marts is enlarging >the >area of Freedom. Manifest Destiny, Democracy, Freedom, fine names for an >ugly >thing. They call it otto of rose and lavender, - I call it bilge-water." > >He would surely say now that we can't let a phrase like "Operation Iraqi >Freedom" go by without subjecting it to ridicule until it sounds precisely >as >it means, "Operation Iraqi Bleed 'em". Walk the walk, talk the talk. > >-m. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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If you would like to subscribe to Fence and Fence Books List in the future, just click this link: http://www.constantcritic.com/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=n&l=fence&e=poetics@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu&p=10002 - rwolff@angel.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:22:47 -0500 Reply-To: 18073-feedback-30@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Bowery Poetry Club: Safe for Imagination Archy & Mehitable, Ninja Shakespeare, Max Blagg, Oscars in Drag MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 Dear Friends, Demos are listed at the bottom of this letter. Drop in at the Club for s= ome collective communing, a drink or two, and some art that's not meant t= o take your mind off war, but to create a safe place for imagination. E.g= .,=20 Taylor Mead's weekly show moves to 6:30 on Fridays; Tiny Ninja Theater pr= esents Romeo & Juliet on Thursday nights and Sunday afternoons, MacBeth o= n Saturday matinees (tickets: Smarttix.com) for the next six weeks...Ralp= h Lee's amazing Archy & Mehitable: Communications with a Cockroach rolls = into a Friday-Saturday at 8/Sunday @ 3 run (get your tickets at virtuous.= com) -- get more info on all shows at bowerypoetry.com.... Friday, 3/21 Prof. Taylor Mead, 6:30 ($5) --the Truth as only Taylor = tells it....Communications with a Cockroach brings the world of Don Marq= uis to life,($15/10)...at 9:30 we bring you Hearts&Homes a benefit for h= omeless dogs -- comedy that rocks (10$)... and then at midnight The Jolly= Ship the Whizzbang pulls back into port with "Power Boat!" the First Ann= ual Nautical Rock Puppet Show featuring the Wau Wau Sisters and (the band= ) Puppet till the wee hours -- they'll be back next week with a new show = (8$)... Saturday 3/22 Tiny Ninja's MacBeth, Shakespeare on an ironing board, o= pens at 1pm.......3 Guys from Albany, grassroots poetry with a musical tw= ist, pull into town at 2 (5$)...Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge & Rachel Blau Duple= ssis appear at 4 for Segue (4$)...Communications with a Cockroach is back= at 7:30 ($15/10)...and then it's Japanese reggae, The Beginning, from 9:= 30 till till (8$) =20 =C2=A0Sunday 3/23 Tiny Ninja's Romeo & Juliet will wake you up at 1...= Communications with a Cockroach returns at 3...Dean Bowman will open your= vocal chords with his workshop at 4 (5$)... to Freestyle Your Life ($10)= ...then Willi Ninja, Emanuel Xavier & Wari Shade present a benefit advanc= ed screening of the documentary-in-progress, HOW DO I LOOK? by Wolfgang B= usch -- the next Paris Is Burning. We'll do our own Academy Awards Celebr= ation in drag as an afterparty... Mon, 3/24 One of our favorite new books, Preamble by Jen Benka, will = launch at 6...then it's the Lonely Samoans Birthday Party -- c&w with a p= olitical edge. Very funny & lively & altogether unbelievable and necessar= y (5$). You'll also hear from daBips & Bingo Gazingo & Rick Shapiro.... Tues 3/25 Last chance for Max Blagg! Non Dog Mental! at 7 (7$)... then= it's Rick "Lenny Bruce of Poetry" Shapiro's one man sensation, "Repeat O= ffender," at 9, and Beau Sia's chill session, "Whatever" at 10:30 till th= e poets go home (5$)... Wed 3/26=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0At 7 it's a great night out w/ a Benefit for 4 = Way Books ($17). Poet-DJ Mark Bibbins will be spinning -- food, drink, da= nce, party literrally! An afterparty treat will be Victor Quijada's Rubbe= rbanddance with poetry, an then the hardest working band in Po Biz, our v= ery own Mental Notes at 11(5$). Thur 3/27 The Tiny Ninja Theater's "Romeo & Juliet" -- watch gumball n= injas do Shakespeare! Dov Weinstein will provide your binoculars. Urbana= kicks spring in tuchus at 7:30 a(5$).... and of course Rick Shapiro will= schtick till he bellies at 10:30 ($12)....=20 Next week: Yusef Komunyakaa has a 3-day run w/ jazz, Fri-Sun(tix: virtuou= s.com )...Charles Bernstein does Segue...and Shappy's Birthday Party wil= l occur for the second month in a row=20 Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11...lunch:= homemade soup & salads & sandwiches...bar opens at 5...Poetry Forever!! POETS FOR PEACE will be assembling for World Poetry Day on Friday March 2= 1 at 1:00pm. Location: The Main Branch N.Y. Library at 42nd St and 5th Av= e (on the steps near the lion, look for the Poets for Peace banner). Poem= s on topical themes (peace, non-violence, tolerance) will be read. All we= lcome. POETS FOR PEACE will also assemble for the Peace March on Saturday March = 22 at 11:00am. Location: Gotham Book Mart at 41 W 47th St (between 5th an= d 6th Aves). We will begin walking to the main rally at approximately 11:= 30am. Main rally held on Broadway between 38th and 42nd Sts. For more information: www.unitedforpeace.org The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D114D5418E9C29BB9&m=3D30 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:37:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Baldwin Subject: Reminder: E-Poetry 2003 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline E-Poetry 2003 An International Digital Poetry FestivalWest Virginia University, = Morgantown April 23-26, 2003 Inquiries and proposals may be sent to the organizers at the e-mail=20 addresses below. All participants must register to attend E-Poetry 2003 = by=20 April 8, 2003. Registration and information are available at the E-Poetry = 2003 Website: http://epc.buffalo.edu/e-poetry/2003/=20 It is our pleasure to announce E-Poetry 2003: An International Digital=20 Poetry Festival, the second event in the acclaimed E-Poetry series=20 inaugurated in Buffalo in April 2001. E-Poetry is a series, directed by=20 Loss Peque=F1o Glazier from the University at Buffalo, which provides = an=20 artist and practitioner-oriented series of events in the spirit of some = of=20 the early poetry festivals, such as the Vancouver Poetry Festival, = 1963,=20 and the Berkeley Poetry Conference, 1965. The series allows artists the=20 opportunity to engage the state of their art and to advance its=20 possibilities through dialog, performance, and peer interaction. We are doubly pleased to announce the host institution for this year's=20 event, West Virginia University in Morgantown, WV. In collaboration = with=20 E-Poetry 2003's co-director, Sandy Baldwin, we are planning a rich and=20 varied three and a half days of digital poetry, conversation, and=20 artist-oriented scholarship, in the inviting setting of West Virginia.=20 E-Poetry 2003 extends the frontiers opened with E-Poetry 2001, adding=20 numerous new voices and engaging new visions to the festival. This = year's=20 focus is on the "poetry" in "E-Poetry". Please mark your calendars and plan to attend this event! Morgantown is = 5=20 hours from Buffalo, 1 hour from Pittsburgh, 3 hours from Washington DC, = and=20 5 hours from New York City. We recommend you find the best airfare=20 available to Pittsburgh. Plan to join us in Morgantown to celebrate this next articulation of = the=20 potentials of E-Poetry! Loss Peque=F1o Glazier, E-Poetry Director (glazier@buffalo.edu) Sandy Baldwin, E-Poetry 2003 Co-Director (charles.baldwin@mail.wvu.edu) Loss Peque=F1o Glazier, Dept. of Media Study, SUNY Buffalo and Sandy = Baldwin,=20 Dept. of English, West Virginia University Co-sponsored by the Electronic Poetry Center (SUNY Buffalo) and the = Center=20 for Literary Computing (WVU) Sandy Baldwin West Virginia University Assistant Professor of English 359 Stansbury Hall 304-293-3107x452 Coordinator of the Center for Literary Computing 203 Armstrong Hall 304-293-3871 charles.baldwin@mail.wvu.edu www.clc.wvu.edu www.as.wvu.edu/~sbaldwin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:38:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: pity fourfold tame Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed quickly glad, the tiny here sickness in wind out ripple many years dimension beaver's hounded your brain eye real in green to breaking too twofold and challenged to disappear _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:38:58 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Quatorzain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed There are too many d's: damned dots offered, doomed There are too many h's: highly set hand cats offered, badly thought There are too many l's: lazily set hand cats offered, badly lounged There are too many n's: hand cats offered, badly the talks want winning There are too many r's: red, badly the rooks worry There are too many s's: smoothly set hand cats offered, badly talks There are too many t's: smoothly set hand cats offered, badly tracked _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:40:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: poetry in Jamaica In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Naila Mattison-Jones Reply-To: NEBlackWriters@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:42:29 -0800 (PST) To: NE blackwriters Subject: [NEBlackWriters] Poets needed to facilitate panels and lecture at conference in Jamaica Forwarded message: Greetings, At the suggestion of Ms. Lynn Pitts here at Sarah Lawrence College, I am writing to inform you of the 2003 Summer Poetry Alliance (August 15-22nd) in Negril, Jamaica. I am organizing this event on behalf of WILDE (Women Into Literature Development and Economics) an international non-profit organization aimed at empowering Africana women in developing countries. Right now, I am looking to connect with experienced women of African descent (undergraduates, graduates and professionals) from all over the country that would be interested in the opportunity to facilitate workshops or deliver a paper in exchange for free lodging and meals (as well as discounted travel and conference fees). I would very much appreciate you passing this link on to anyone who you might think would be interested in attending as a faciliator or lecturer. Those simply interested in more details as a regular participant should email me so i can have a comprehensive emailing list as more details become available. http://www.geocities.com/wilde2000beyond/SUMMERPOETRYALLIANCE Cordially, Paury Flowers (Coordinating Intern for WILDE) naturealsista@yahoo.com http://www.wilde2000.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. Click Here! ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Manage your YahooGroups subscriptions @ http://groups.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this list: NEBlackWriters-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:42:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: wings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ii there were great beating wings beating in the southern darkness. in the southern darkness. there were great shadows moving in the darkness, 3000 and moving li. slowly all, for there were 3000 in the southern li. shadows all in darkness together, and of harmony. north and north and harmony. depth from the south moved depth. from the peng, darkness moved from the depth of the south, beating as in black, the black, the black clouds, the black sky wheeling south, sky wings sky === the great wings were beating in the southern darkness. there were southern shadows in the darkness moving slowly for 3000 li. all were together and in harmony. from the darkness of the north and its depth to the darkness of the south and its depth. the peng moved from north to south, its great wings beating like black clouds wheeling in the sky. === ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:10:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jessica beard Subject: iraq peace team MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i have only posted to this list once,(and i am pretty sure i dont know anybody on it) a long time ago, but i keep reading it and have appreciated it especially in the past few weeks when sharing information and thoughts about the war has been increasingly important and necessary. i wasin san francisco visiting family over the weekend and felt the tremendous energy ofthe people there who are committed to keeping the message of peace alive and open for discussion, and i felt like the day the bombs were dropped, that energy would explode, and it has. i feel like this list has similarly inspiring intensity, an energy that has kept consistent and interesting all the way through. so as sort of an observer, i wanted to thank all the people who keep up with it so thouroghly. i am currently in southern ontario for a few more weeks and am volunteering at a unicef sponsored learning center, where our focus in education is peace. it was with a heavy heart that i talked with children today about how important peace and peaceful dissent are. but i cannot fully believe in that today for as i talk with them about the efforts of rigoberta menchu or martin luther king, massive explosions destroy a city, where countless children live and are victims of my county's total abondonment of peace and discussion. i can only march in the streets and keep the voice of peace alive, but there is nothing else i can do for those who are voiceless. here is an interesting page, made up of brave people committed to helping the people their tax dollars are being spent to destroy, a commitment i can only imagine the bravery of. bay area people note: a man from boulder creek ( in the santa cruz mountains, i think i used to serve him coffee when i lived there) is in iraq as part of the team. check out his journal. check out the 'voices in the wilderness' link on the page. www.iraqpeaceteam.org take care, jb __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:40:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 19 Mar 2003 to 20 Mar 2003 (#2003-79) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 7 of Spades "Earlier this month, the federal government raised the official terror -" "Other evidence has been gathered. Other people have spoken. When that happens, sometime you need to revisit people to ask questions" If he knows that man, it's but a knowledge of surface. He can't penetrate beneath the stitched brow, nor see into eyes that can't see into eyes, nor turn up that frown with a touch "The mounting debt comes at a time when the federal gov- ernment, tightening the squeeze on the state and local officials to raise taxes, cut services or both. 'This borrowing pushes the cost of our problems today onto our children tomorrow'" "Church teachings recommend keeping a year's worth of grains, beans and other basics on hand. Grains: Wheat, 748 pounds; flour, 70 pounds; cornmeal, 153 pounds; rolled oats, 173 pounds; rice, 329 pounds; pearled barley, 15 pounds; spaghetti or macaroni, 163 pounds. Legumes: Dried beans, 225 pounds; dried lima beans, 10 pounds" Just one more victim that they allowed. I save everyone green. Guys like you kick my ass once I leave the club. Slip or socks, medium. What kind of mood do you suggest? There just might be a chance that Washington's right. Sounds like a prayer but it's damn appropriate. I just sit around scratching myself for 24 hours. He's not going to give up what we can't find This is the mouth of spring, a long wave of mouths moving north puddle by puddle. These are the lips parting but inseparable, pouting but poised to kiss. These were the teeth of winter, fallen, flattened out in a wavering line. This was a tongue, this will again be a tongue, now over saturated, limp, mute. This is a throat, a hollow, with a promise of voice. This is a breath, these are breaths, growing effortless, holding it all together Best, Crag Hill ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:48:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Brandon Downing & Sara Veglahn reading in Boston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ******************************* ******************************* This Saturday at 5pm in Boston: ******************************* ******************************* *****poets***** ------Brandon Downing---------- ------&------------------------ ----Sara Veglahn--------------- Wordsworth Books 30 Brattle St. Cambridge, MA (617) 354-5201 Brandon Downing is the co-founder of the small press bookshop Blue Books and the literary journal 6,500. His poetry collection The Shirt Weapon appeared recently from Germ Monographs. Downing currently lives in New York City; his recent work will appear in the Owl Press anthology,Evidence of the Paranormal. Sara Veglahn is the author of the chapbook, Another Random Heart, recently published by Margin to Margin Press, ( find a sample here: http://www.litpress.com/margin/heart.html) and her work has appeared or is forthcoming in various journals including: Castagraf, canwehaveourballback?, Word for Word, Fence and 26. She lives in Northampton, MA where she co-edits the journal Baffling Combustions. ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:38:08 +1100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: geraldine mckenzie Subject: Re: the war Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Just a short note from Australia. Protests happening here too, someone wrote No War in red on the tip of the Opera House, I haven't made it into Sydney as my back decided to go into spasm the day the war broke out. The same day, the sky was full of dust, blown up from Melbourne (a couple of thousand kilometres away) very strange atmosphere, the kids (I'm a school teacher) stirred up. One is in the odd position of hoping the coalition are successful as soon as possible simply to avoid loss of life. Like many of you, however, I find the aftermath even more worrying, too many unknowns and the knowns e.g. the character of the current US Government, suggest the "liberation" of the Iraquis may not make it out of inverted commas. And let me echo all those who've said how valuable the list is in times like this, both for the information it provides but also for letting us all know that people of like minds are out there, even if they don't make it onto the TV screens. I don't know how Australia is perceived in the US; if, indeed, it's even thought of. Our government is as aggressive and hypocritical as any in pursuit of this war but it doesn't represent the people. There's a strong sense in the media here that support for the war is much more widespread among the US population so it's particularly encouraging (though not surprising - as I think Robert Byrd said, there was a time when the US had a capacity to inspire the world) to find out that there is opposition. A hopeful note: although the worldwide opposition has not been able to prevent the war, I hope that it can keep up the pressure so that the US and its allies might behave themselves a little more circumspectly both during and after. A negative rejoinder is about to kick in - Nothing else to say. Geraldine _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:15:42 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: It's Official: Dick Cheney Is The World's First Trillionaire!! Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press It's Official: Dick Cheney Is The World's First Trillionaire!!: Cheney Bombs His Way Into Top Spot!!: Forbes' Magazine Hails The Fellow Founding Member Of The Project For The New American Century As World's Richest Kleptocrat!!: World's Richest Man Or Cheney Of Fools!?!?: By YASO ADIODI The Assassinated Press 3/21/03 3:00EST New Poll: Americans Take A Whack At 'Thinking' About Iraq: Rumsfeld Dubs Combatants Who Blow Up Dick Cheney's Oil Fields In Iraq 'War Criminals': Several Forces In Mad Race To Northern Iraq Oil Fields: Airy Fleischer: "Saddam's Burning Oil Fields Confirms This Is What Its All About": OIL Is To Cheney As CRACK Is To Toby By ANGST WANGER The Assassinated Press March 20, 2003, 2:10 PM EST They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:43:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: [thingist] This is a mail from your friend - Wolfgang Staehle Comments: To: wryting Comments: cc: rhizome , webartery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Wolfgang Staehle wrote: > From: Wolfgang Staehle > To: thingsters > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:43:41 (GMT) > Subject: [thingist] This is a mail from your friend > - Wolfgang Staehle > > Click this link to read the Article > http://www.gulfnews.com/Articles/opinion.asp?ArticleID=81505 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > t h i n g i s t > message by Wolfgang Staehle > archive at http://bbs.thing.net > info: send email to majordomo@bbs.thing.net > and write "info thingist" in the message body > -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:28:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: On the other hand...continued Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:57:13 EST > From: Gloria Frym > Subject: Re: On The Other Hand... > > Auden changed that line, to his editor's great dismay, to something truer: > "We must love one another and die. . . " > > Best, Gloria Frym Perhaps Auden has made this memorable aphorism more factual, but certainly not more truthful. Warm best wishes, -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:25:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: A MAN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A MAN all of of us us write write to to all - all talk talk about about the the war war there who are has so time many for texts! all who of has them? time - for there them? many we would we rather would than write read than or we and read pass on on - no - one everyone else listens listens - everyone a except no a one man else alone, mountaintop gorgeous he man, makes his the mountaintop decisions he alone, makes a decisions on is respect illuminated his hero - respect he lonely illuminated vigil - act - not to reason - decide to consider to acts - speaks - acts - === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:38:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ROOT BERM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ROOT BERM sand console desert-slaughter Fri Mar 21 15:17 - 15:42 (00:25) sand ttyp1 Fri Mar 21 00:16 - shutdown (01:02) sand ttyp1 Fri Mar 21 00:16 - 00:16 (00:00) sand ttyp1 Fri Mar 21 00:16 - 00:16 (00:00) sand ttyp1 Fri Mar 21 00:16 - 00:16 (00:00) sand console desert-slaughter Fri Mar 21 00:15 - 00:16 (00:01) sand console desert-slaughter Thu Mar 20 21:22 - 21:40 (00:17) sand ttyp1 Fri Jan 24 00:58 - crash (00:26) sand console localhost Fri Jan 24 00:57 - crash (00:26) sand ttyp1 Thu Jan 23 23:50 - shutdown (00:00) sand console localhost Thu Jan 23 23:49 - shutdown (00:01) sand ttyp1 Wed Jan 22 17:22 - shutdown (00:00) sand ttyp1 Wed Jan 22 17:07 - 17:22 (00:14) sand console localhost Wed Jan 22 17:06 - shutdown (00:15) sand console localhost Wed Jan 22 16:58 - 16:58 (00:00) sand console localhost Wed Jan 22 16:33 - 16:34 (00:01) sand ttyp1 Sat Aug 24 04:02 - crash (08:31) sand ttyp1 Sat Aug 24 03:59 - 04:02 (00:02) sand console localhost Sat Aug 24 03:59 - 04:02 (00:03) sand ttyp1 Sat Aug 24 03:54 - 03:59 (00:04) sand ttyp1 Sat Aug 24 03:48 - 03:54 (00:06) sand console localhost Sat Aug 24 03:48 - 03:57 (00:09) sand ttyp1 Sat Aug 24 03:12 - crash (00:13) sand console localhost Sat Aug 24 03:12 - crash (00:14) sand ttyp1 Fri Aug 23 23:03 - crash (01:08) sand console localhost Fri Aug 23 22:56 - 23:28 (00:31) sand console localhost Thu Aug 22 23:37 - 23:43 (00:05) wtmp begins Thu Aug 22 23:37 === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 04:29:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: The war is the first and only thing in the world today Comments: To: circulars@arras.net, Robert Creeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 20.03.03, Bilkent University, Ankara, Turkey =20 Suddenly, after months of thinking about war but having nothing besides = the media to focus our attention on it, there are signs of it everywhere = we look. I returned home from school yesterday to discover notices in = the lobby of our building outlining security procedures for air attacks. = "Apparently there's a bomb shelter in the next building," Glenys said = with an eghads look.=20 =20 It's highly unlikely there will be any spillover of this conflict into = Turkey. Although it is possible that Turkey will soon be engaged in a = conflict of its own with the northern Iraqi Kurds. We're not hearing = much about what it currently happening at the Turkey-Iraq border. =20 A pair of men tested the generators in a nearby building this morning. = They rumbled to life with the clanky growl of an old mechanical beast = that's been hibernating. A short while later, as Euan and I were doing = our usual Magpie count out the window, a jet roared over the campus at = great speed heading southeast, as if to confirm that Turkey has indeed = opened its airspace to coalition forces. Vanloads of Jandarma tool = around the area incessantly. We start to try to interpret these signs. =20 Being a new dad in times like these is an uncanny and confusing = experience. It's jarring to look at my son and see so much innocence and = wonder and be thinking about people dying and suffering off in the = distance. I told my son what was happening because we always tell him = everything that's happening ("Daddy's licking oatmeal off his thumb = Euan!"). Again I had Oppen to put some texture to this feeling I have = for my son with regard to the war: =20 My daughter, my daughter, what can I say=20 Of living? =20 I cannot judge it. =20 We seem caught=20 In reality together my lovely Daughter =20 Meanwhile, life goes on, but in a much different way, with a much = different feeling to it, naturally. I greeted one of my students = yesterday and asked her how she was. "Uptight," she said. It's difficult = to teach or sit for classes when your mind is elsewhere. I sit in my = office and stare off into space for periods of time, my mind reeling. = When I snap out of it, I realize I must get my act together, and I start = to scurry in my head even more.=20 =20 I've made last minute adjustments to the syllabus of my American Poetry = class in an attempt to keep focus on both poetry and the war. I put = Oppen's Of Being Numerous, Williams' Introduction to The Wedge, and = selections from Reznikoff's Testimony on for this week. This work has = generated good discussion and, to the extent that they want to, has = allowed my students to use class discussions as a forum for their = thoughts and feelings about the war. =20 On Thursday's class I read from Of Being Numerous and asked my students = to listen with an ear toward the poem and with an ear toward Baghdad, to = see if this poem in any way enabled them to focus on the war. When I = asked them if the poem helped or hindered their attempt to focus on the = war several students said they went into and out of focus about the war, = but that the poem helped them focus on experience and what that is. How = do you experience something you're not experiencing? If war is = meaningless, then what is poetry?=20 =20 I read the Williams stuff I posted to the list on Thursday. Poetry isn't = a turning away from the war, it is the war, "merely a different sector = of the field." How can that be?=20 =20 We talked about objectivism as a poetry of attention. Attention to the = very facts of existence and to time, what that dialectic produces in the = mind and in language.=20 =20 We had also read for that day selections of Charles Reznikoff's = amazingly affecting poem Testimony. Two students introduced the poem and = got a discussion going about the discrepancy between the lack of emotion = in the language and the deeply emotional effect that that language = produces when you read it.=20 =20 Then a student named Berna compared the poems to "the media," to news. I = told the class about one of Pound's definitions of poetry: "Poetry is = news that stays news." It turned out to be the perfect way to account = for the relevance of reading a poem that was published in the 60's, and = which incorporated images of WW2 and Vietnam, to focus our attention on = a war that was happening while we were talking. =20 I ended class about 8 minutes early, but then something very unexpected = happened. None of my students got up to leave. None of them even = stirred. There was a short silence and then another student picked up = the discussion again, and we continued talking as if class was still in = session. =20 But the atmosphere in the room had changed completely. I was no longer = presiding and everyone was there by choice. The classroom turned into a = meeting place. What a freaky feeling it was to have everything change so = dramatically like that with no apparent activity to produce it. I felt a = lot calmer after this class than I have in days. The two students who = exited the classroom with me told me in Turkish to take good care = ("kendine iyi bak"). Normally they just say, in English, "See you."=20 Scott There are things We live among them and to see them Is to know ourselves --George Oppen Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:43:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] Boycott Brand America! Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-From_: >sentto-7702453-1291-1048322928-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >Sat Mar 22 02:48:56 2003 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-7702453-1291-1048322928-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Sender: joty@boltblue.com >X-Apparently-To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >From: "timmyperkins2003" >X-Originating-IP: 80.7.234.173 >X-Yahoo-Profile: timmyperkins2003 >Mailing-List: list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com; contact >deeplistening-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:48:42 -0000 >Subject: [deeplistening] Boycott Brand America! >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >http://umn.edu/mc/s?BPs5pcVCR1QcEJmtSI2.1iNTmi33jLCuDt9Ot7TBWJk.gOr3A7h5xxRsfw2PwymPlezsaDGENV3o >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com #+NR+UF+CB+SP (A,-) >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM > >Boycott Brand America! > >In globalpeacecampaign@yahoogroups.com, Letecia Layson > wrote: >Greetings, This may be if interest: > >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:20:58 -0800 >Reply-To: >Subject: Boycott Brand America! >From: Culture Jammers Network > >Dear Jammers, > >George Bush's moment of truth came when he started his war. >Now all of us face our own moment of truth. This war runs >deeper than blood for oil or US versus UN, and there isn't any >real way to say in words why the bullets and bombs are such >stark symbols of a system that is rotten to the bone. > >So: give yourself a gut-check, and if the peace is there, the Brand >America Boycott is ready for you. Take the campaign into your >home, your school, your streets, your life. Help us bring a million >signatures to the Boycott Brand America pledge. And let a >thousand culture jams make their mark on >this crazy war - and on the bigger fight to come. > >It's all happening at http://www.adbusters.org >Keep in touch. > >The Staff & Volunteers at Adbusters > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Want to join the Culture Jammers Network? >Visit http://adbusters.org/information/network/ >--- End forwarded message --- > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty >Dollars for Trying! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/m0VolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:10:01 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: The Cloud Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , PoetryEspresso@topica.com, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've just been working on this, and in no way regard it as finished, but I would appreciate any comments or suggestions. What the piece is trying to do is to find a language that expresses psychological dissolution. Also it is trying to inhabit the borderlines of poetry and prose. I hasten to add that it is a work of fiction! Best Dave THE CLOUD It was hard not to recognise the boundaries as they misted off nor too the brumous dissolution of form that lifted from my maps with a cheap perfume's insistence. Liked her, it said, nudge nudge. That slow ungirdling, cor. No, no, not that, my better head said, and somevoice that might be termed mind turned to whatever it was to find out what it might be. A witch, rhymes with ....., a curse, a voice breathed to which the dictionaries prompted 'borders', 'attach', 'defence, 'definition', oh you thesaurian certitudes, not that any of those mean the former, they then that then , with the ugliness of Old English 'th's, fixed themselves, like a spider to a web. Not sense, not rational that I complained as somevoice within said she'd put a hex on me. Hex? I asked, that rhymes with .... There is too much rhyming I reflected but she? No, not her, never. Who had tried to steal my soul. Who had wanted to make me an adjunct of her emptiness, like a shrunken head hanging from a kangaroo skin hat. No, no, not her. And the wind blew cold and a blue cloud rose as a bat-wing rustle twittered over the vacancies and alleyways of care. David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:23:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: brand boycott In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No one has ever accused Dallas of being a bastion of progressive thought, and here's evidence of why. There's a very popular local chain of "French countryside" cafes here called La Madeleine. On any given day the places are packed with people from early morning through lunch and at dinner. I stopped by one location a few mornings ago for a cup of French roast and a pastry on the way to work. I was one of two people in the whole joint. I asked one of the employees why so slow, and she just shrugged and said "boycott." I had heard of no boycott and inquired further. Apparently there is a de facto boycott going on around Dallas of any business that sounds remotely French. The most amazing part of all this is that there was no need to publicize or promote this boycott; all the French-haters just knew to steer elsewhere. Is this happening in Ft. Worth, too, Herb? I'm off to La Madeleine, Brian -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 8:44 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] Boycott Brand America! > >Boycott Brand America! > >In globalpeacecampaign@yahoogroups.com, Letecia Layson > wrote: >Greetings, This may be if interest: > >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:20:58 -0800 >Reply-To: >Subject: Boycott Brand America! >From: Culture Jammers Network > >Dear Jammers, > >George Bush's moment of truth came when he started his war. >Now all of us face our own moment of truth. This war runs >deeper than blood for oil or US versus UN, and there isn't any >real way to say in words why the bullets and bombs are such >stark symbols of a system that is rotten to the bone. > >So: give yourself a gut-check, and if the peace is there, the Brand >America Boycott is ready for you. Take the campaign into your >home, your school, your streets, your life. Help us bring a million >signatures to the Boycott Brand America pledge. And let a >thousand culture jams make their mark on >this crazy war - and on the bigger fight to come. > >It's all happening at http://www.adbusters.org >Keep in touch. > >The Staff & Volunteers at Adbusters > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:50:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: [deeplistening] Boycott Brand America! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria, maybe you could just delete/remove the excess junk from the messages you forward? Takes just a sec. Thanks in advance. Hal "Dear Mrs, Mr, Miss or Mr and Mrs----: Words cannot express the deep personal grief I experienced when your husband, son, father or brother was killed, wounded, or reported missing in action." --Joseph Heller Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:30:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Reminder: Berssenbrugge/Du Plessis at Bowery Today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today, Saturday, March 22, 4 PM, NYC Mei-mei Berssenbrugge and Rachel Blau DuPlessis Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 Admission $4 Mei-mei Berssenbrugge's book of poems NEST was published by Kelsey Street Press in 2002. She lives in New York City and in New Mexico. The newest book by Rachel Blau DuPlessis is Drafts 1-38, Toll (Wesleyan U.P.). Poems from the next book Drafts 39-57, Engagements appear in Hambone, Hotel Amerika, Ixnay, Conjunctions and Chain. The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:37:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: approval rating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed So I just heard something like a 70% approval rating for the war, and I can't help but wonder where these figures are coming from; I mean not to wear my conspiracy-theory gear, but how many of the folks on this list have been polled? And doesn't it seem that as a physiological tool the figures could possibly sway folks? Just a thought... have you ever been polled??? ---------noah ________________________________________________ "I like Man Ray. But do I enjoy it?" --Nick Moudry _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:06:12 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Wieja Subject: Re: approval rating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed maybe the polling companies are working for the pentagon, but the fact that nobody on this list has been polled means absolutely nothing. polls depend for their accuracy on a random sampling of the population (just what a random sampling is is of course open to conjecture) but leaving that aside for the moment, because it is random the size of the sample is irrelevant and indeed, polls usually never interview more than a thousand people. often (as is the case in the poll i think you are citing) less than five hundred people are interviewed. so the chances of anyone on this list being interviewed are pretty slim...but on the up side, because the sample randomly constituted, the "collective political stance" of the list, if we can say that there is one, was most likely represented by at least one person who was interviewed. i know that this doesn't seem intuitively correct to some people, that somehow a REALLY large sample- say a million -should produce a more accurate result. but if that sample is chosen randomly, the result will not be more accurate, but more precise. apologies for the long-winded reply. i am wired on green tea and war news. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Search, le moteur de recherche qui pense comme vous ! http://search.msn.fr/worldwide.asp ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:44:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: fanny howe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The latest of two recent (and hopefully more in the future) collaborations= =20 among Chax Press, POG, and the University of Arizona Poetry Center. If any= =20 on POETICS are near, please come. Poet Fanny Howe To Read for the University of Arizona Poetry Center, POG, and CHAX Press Wednesday, March 26, 2003 The University of Arizona Poetry Center, POG, and CHAX Press present poet Fanny Howe, author of =93One Crossed Out=94 and =93Selected Poems,=94 March= 26, 2003 at 8:00 p.m. as part of the Center=92s Spring Visiting Poets and= Writers Reading Series. The reading takes place in the Modern Languages Auditorium on the University of Arizona campus and is free and open to the public. An informal reception will follow. Books will be available for sale courtesy of the UA Bookstore. Fanny Howe is the author of more than twelve books of poetry and nine books of fiction. Her recent =93Selected Poems=94 was the recipient of the distinguished Lenore Marshall Award from the Academy of American Poets and was short-listed for the Griffin International Poetry Prize in Canada. Her other publications include =93One Crossed Out,=94 =93The End,=94 =93The= Vineyard,=94 and =93Indivisible.=94 In 1997 Sun & Moon Press published a trilogy of her fictions entitled =93Radical Innocence,=94 which consists of =93First= Marriage,=94 =93Bronte Wile,=94 and =93Famous Questions.=94 Born in Buffalo, New York,= Fanny Howe grew up in Boston. Her mother, Mary Manning, was a playwright and actress with the Abbey Theater of Dublin, and in Cambridge was the founder of the Poets' Theater. Her father, Mark De Wolfe Howe, was Professor of Law at Harvard University and a civil rights activist. Her sisters are artist Helen Howe and poet Susan Howe. The playwright, Tina Howe, is a cousin. Fanny Howe has received fellowships from the National Endowment for the Arts and the National Poetry Foundation. She has lectured in creative writing at Tufts University, Emerson College, Columbia, Yale, University of California San Diego, and MIT. Praise for Fanny Howe: This complexly articulate writer uses poetry as a final resource. All the authority of her power becomes explicit in [her] poems, the musing, twisting thoughts and persons woven into a meld of great force and beauty. This is life if it could speak. Here it does.=94 --Robert Creeley =93There is a dizzying wildness is Fanny Howe=92s work that draws the reader headlong across her page. In the unstoppable rush of that language she unites the dispersed elements of our tumbling humanness. O Guerilla poet! She has loosed the physical bonds of our daily bread. There is no telling where she takes us after we=92ve arrived.=94 --Maureen Owen =93Fanny Howe is the closest thing to Emily Dickinson since Dickinson herself. --Albert Gelpi =93Howe is a sly, wicked poets, always shifting between the social, the political, as well as the linguistic and literary concerns of an artist always writing from the cutting edge.=94 --Quincy Troupe =93Fanny Howe=92s strangely hushed but busy landscape keeps leading us into= it until we realize we=92re lost but wouldn=92t want to be anywhere else=85. A strange joy. --John Ashbery ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:44:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: [thingist] the truth about boy george Comments: To: webartery Comments: cc: wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hg wrote:Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:27:25 +0100 To: thingist@bbs.thing.net From: hg Subject: [thingist] the truth about boy george http://www.gradis.net/xray.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------- t h i n g i s t message by hg archive at http://bbs.thing.net info: send email to majordomo@bbs.thing.net and write "info thingist" in the message body -------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:47:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: approval rating MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii on a day to day basis, i come into contact with a lot of people here in richmond----and very very few as of yet have expressed approval for this "war" (read: invasion)==== so yes, i wonder toooo///// bliss l ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:48:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Today's Headline Today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today's Headlines Today CNN Team Invades Jordan from Iraq Ashcroft Says Retarded Man No Longer Faces Death Penalty Ashcroft Says Man No Longer Faces Retarded Death Penalty Man No Longer Facing Death Penalty Says Ashcroft Retarded At Half-Time--CNN 68, Jordan 54 Man No Longer Facing Ashcroft Says Death Penalty Retarded Longer Death Penalty Facing Man Says Retarded Ashcroft Facing Death Penalty Retarded Says Longer Ashcroft CNN 68, Jordan 54--Final Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:18:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: Re: Emerson at a time like this MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mike, I found your e-mail on Emerson incredibly heartening. It reminded me that American ideals have always had an uphill fight against American realities--Manifest Destiny, slavery, now I think some uniquely American form of world empire--and yet somehow manage to find a voice. How much that voice is worth, how hard-won. I think too of how much our poetic owes to war resistance; the lying rhetoric of WWI that soured a generation on the Victorian platitudes of honor, duty, country. That language is one of the first casualties of war--'smart bomb,' 'axis of evil,' 'terrorist,' 'shock and awe,' 'coalition of the willing,' 'operation: freedom, infinite justice, desert shield,' 'rogue state'--is a truth that hits home with the force of a bunkerbuster right now. Just using the language as truthfully as we can, as poets, as Americans, and like you say, pointing out where it lies, has a value that perhaps none of us can see quite clearly now. I bet Emerson couldn't. Thanks for the much-needed history jolt. --Rodney Koeneke ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:40:33 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: from WOMPO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those of you who aren't on WOMPO: things to do: - get out the Larousse Gastronomique and start cooking - blog in French I might add: read the Germ French issue; visit Double Change; attend Guy Bennett's conference at USC (in LA, CA) April 4-6... when Jerome Rothenberg was here, he was already eating a lot of Brie, he said, and planning a spring in Paris... Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:40:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: "... more than terrorists" In-Reply-To: <3E7C9B02.7BBDA241@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Most of the media seems to be focussing on Iraqis who are all for the liberation of Iraq, this is one of the few Ive found so far which gives a different perspective. A small excerpt below: "I am so angry," he said, before pausing to watch the latest bombs fall on his native city. "They're bombing a historical city. They're more than terrorists. "This day is a disaster for Iraqi history, just like Sept. 11 was for the United States." Hashim left Iraq in 1995 because he said he felt Hussein's regime was constantly suspecting him of disloyalty. An abstract artist who refused to paint images of Iraq's dictator, he said leaving the oppressive regime was one of his life-long dreams. "One of my biggest dreams was to get away from there. I felt I was always suspected because I was not part of the regime," he said Thursday. On the other hand, Hashim said, he has conflicting feelings of love for his home country because of its history and the role it had in shaping him. War takes severe told on Iraqi-Canadians http://canada.com/national/story.asp?id=%7BAF1BF6C8-C46D-43AE-94EE- 134D2356CE74%7D --------------- Also, did anyone else catch Alice Walker on Bill Moyer last night. I have to say that the sense of peace & conviction emanating from her was quite a startling contrast to the inescapable puke & hurl of the embedded Propaganda enslaught. More than once she returned her commets to being in a garden feeling peace, a very apt connection for these times since paradise gardening originates in the Tigris-Euphrates. everything gardens mIEKAL ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:42:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: "On a small bridge in Iraq" In-Reply-To: <4F3551F3-5C8D-11D7-A806-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Yannick Dauby Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:00:10 AM US/Central To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [OT] a nice little book / un joli petit livre / eine nettes=20 klein buch Reply-To: yannick.dauby@free.fr hello. i have found a nice little book that is downloadable for free. "On a small bridge in Iraq" by Natsuki IKEZAWA. i liked it and i wanted to share it with you. there are 4 versions : japanese / english / french / german it is available in .pdf format : http://www.impala.jp/iraq/index.html friendly. (sorry if you already have this information, or if you don't like the=20 book...) ---------------- bonjour. j'ai trouv=E9 un joli petit livre qui est telechargeable gratuitement : "sur un petit pont en Irak" par Natsuki IKEZAWA. je l'ai bien aim=E9 et j'ai voulais le partager avec vous. il y a 4 versions: japonais/anglais/fran=E7ais/allemand il est disponible au format .pdf : http://www.impala.jp/iraq/index.html amicalement. (d=E9sole si vous avez d=E9j=E0 cette information, ou si vous n'aimez = pas le=20 livre...) - (babelfish translation) - hallo. ich habe ein nettes kleines Buch gefunden, das f=FCr freies=20 downloadable ist. "auf einer kleinen Br=FCcke im Irak" durch Natsuki=20 IKEZAWA. ich mochte es und ich wollte es mit Ihnen teilen. es gibt 4=20 Versionen: japanisch/englisch/Franzosen/Deutscher es ist im pdf Format=20= vorhanden: http://www.impala.jp/iraq/index.html freundlich. (traurig,=20 wenn Sie bereits diese Informationen haben oder wenn Sie nicht das=20 Buch... m=F6gen) --=20 .. yannick -> phonography/improvisation/composition/... .. kalerne -> http://www.kalerne.net/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:54:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: <20030322164756.51859.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cbs/ny times poll indicates that 93% of repubs favor this war, but only 50% of dems (at the start of the first gulf war it was 81% dems)... equiv. split between repubs and dems re support of bush... cnn/usa today poll results were similar... all of which indicates, among other things, a partisan split of significant proportions... but in any case, a divided country, and if "only" 30% of people in this country are opposed to the war, that's still a large number of people, esp. large in historical terms for the start of military operations... there's no way the u.s. is going to pull out now, and one hopes of course for a speedy resolution of conflict with minimal casualities all the way around... seems to me the protestors are doing some good in any case by keeping pressure on the administration... this time 'round we can say with some confidence that the whole world is watching... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:13:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: report from SF II In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was arrested yesterday afternoon in downtown SF. Poet Travis Ortiz just happened to be in the same group when we got popped -- I had literally just run from Geary alongside a phalanx of riot cops being deployed to the scene, taking pics with digital camera as I went. The brilliant "dragnet" that snared us was two lines of police on either side of us trying to drive us simultaneously in opposite directions -- the dozen or so folks thus trapped were only saved from being bludgeoned by one alert officer who screamed "WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!" at cops in the opposite line. The Keystone Kops never gave us a chance to disperse, thus capturing such mastermind criminals as a 20-something preppy New Yorker who had been shopping in Crocker Galleria and just wanted to get to a meeting at five o'clock, and various other tourists or yokels who were in the wrong place at the wrong time. We were cuffed, put in a police bus, held about five hours in a huge warehouse at Pier 27, cited, and released. There was a shifting crowd of about 300-400. Much more on this later, but the key points are 1) those who professed some kind of medical condition were cited and released fairly quickly. the rest of us were deliberately held until nightfall to discourage us from joining the evening rally. 2) there was a clear tactic of arresting EVERYONE who happened to be on the streets whether you were actively blocking traffic or not, again with the idea of discouraging people from returning the next day for fear of prosecution. this pattern was repeated with the later protest, whose members were arriving just as we were released. BUT there were several people in the friday group who had been arrested thursday, and they were released just like the rest of us. those who refused to give names were held separately and taken to county, but word was they were released without being cited at all, although held overnight. 3) if you are going to san francisco, aside from being sure to wear flowers in your hair, be prepared to be arrested today. don't bring anything valuable or fragile that might get smashed if they take you. do bring a cell phone, water, and something to eat. once they arrested us, the police treated us fine, aside from a few cops who thought they had to be cute. best, DH ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:45:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark No. 22 (2003) Biography As In Syntax The Babble Poems by Jeffrey Little Contents The Gnostic Texts of Mother Jones, was Mother Jones, The World and What To Do A Singing Over the Stone Age: Technology and the Defiance of Sarah Good When the Open is No Other Houses the Strength of Harriet Tubman The Soap Bubble and The Unidentified Flying Object: Crazy Horse Ill-defined Circles of Anne Hutchinson Source the Thorn When Alice Paul Changed The Floor John Brown, of Water, Assembles a Small Band of Clouds The Returning of Margaret Mead, A Transmigration The Larger, The Smaller: Richard Feynman in the Pilgrimage of Fog Trust the Stone Age: Karen Horney (as Hybrid) Works to Spook the Lesser Gods Sympton Six of Doubt: Karl Jaspers and Why the Bread Won't Thin The Emulsion of Lise Meitner in the Island of the Transparent Heartbeat Martin Buber and The One Wildly Waving Hand Susan Sontag: The Blue Fog Bad Kali: An Obsession with No Resemblance to the Stars The Ten Tribes of Robert Johnson Trace the Sun Back to the Ancestors of Caste Gertrude Stein and The Blitz Undone Over 39 Feet Away Encrypted, The Unpredictable Carom of Aime Cesaire Eva Hesse Fiddling-Steam Organic Recollection Toshinori Kondo and The Trumpet of a Thousand Spines Author's Note Jeffrey Little is the author of The Hotel Sterno as well as the newly released The Book of Arcana (tomorrow's stone-age cosmology today) both of which are published by Spout Press, Minneapolis, MN, and are availble directly through Spout at SpoutPress.com as well as Amazon.com. For the last decade or so he's been throwing his poetry at folks in the hope that some of it might actually wad up just right and stick. Some of it actually has, at Exquisite Corpse, Shattered Wig, Columbia Poetry Review, Kiosk, Fuori, Spout, Swerve, Juxta, Painted Bride Quarterly, Muse-Apprentice-Guild.com, The-Hold.com and Lost & Found Times. He's the author of Crayola in Arcana, also known as Mudlark No. 15 (2000), and a number of other chapbooks including Buckshot & Sammy Davis: A Landscape of Tubas (Undulating Bedsheets Productions, Los Angeles, CA), The Game Show Years (Shattered Wig Press, Baltimore, MD), and in collaboration with Jim Leftwich, Gnommonclature (Luna Bisonte Prods, Columbus, OH). He was also a Delaware Division of the Arts Poetry Fellow in 2001. Go figure. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:48:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Mudlark Rerun MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Mudlark Rerun: Flash No. 1 (1998) Smart Weapon | R. Virgil Ellis R. Virgil (Ron) Ellis lives near Cambridge, Wisconsin. He has recently placed poems with In The Teeth of the Wind, Switched-On Gutenberg, Fiction International, Wordwrights, New Works Review, New Digressions, Recursive Angel, 2River View, The Wolf Head Quarterly, The Lucid Stone, and Mississippi Review Web. Performance poetry on audio cassette and CD includes Open My Eyes, Lunar Crescent Wrench, and Dangerous Odds. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter _________________ MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:07:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Today's Headline Today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beautiful! Murat In a message dated 3/22/03 12:59:25 PM, halvard@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > CNN Team Invades Jordan from Iraq > Ashcroft Says Retarded Man No Longer Faces Death Penalty > Ashcroft Says Man No Longer Faces Retarded Death Penalty > Man No Longer Facing Death Penalty Says Ashcroft Retarded > At Half-Time--CNN 68, Jordan 54 > Man No Longer Facing Ashcroft Says Death Penalty Retarded > Longer Death Penalty Facing Man Says Retarded Ashcroft > Facing Death Penalty Retarded Says Longer Ashcroft > CNN 68, Jordan 54--Final > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:24:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Bombora House Gallery Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After the peace demonstration, if you're in the mood for a reading, drop on by for the second night of this weekend long event co-curated by Christopher Stackhouse: The Weekend Long Reading Friday -Sunday March 21,22,23 2003 *free* 7pm until ? SATURDAY MARCH 22nd Gloria Williams, Eric Darton, Karma Johnson, Lydia Cortes, David Henderson, Erica Doyle, Matt Lavelle, Wanda Phipps, Marco Villalobos, Corina Copp, Amy Lipkin, Jacqueline Johnson SUNDAY MARCH 23rd. Thaddeus Rutkowski, Sergio Bessa, John Keene, Anselm Berrigan, Dan Machlin, Danyel Smith, Michael Ruby, Patrick Holmes, David Vogen, Boni Joi, del pedro/paul bennett, Latasha N! atasha Diggs , Edwin Torres, Rebecca Wolff Admission is free. 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Likewise, I've shown it to a number of people, including one who is a rather senior figure in the British Green Party, and they too were particularly taken by certain points, especially the remarks about the oil-dollar. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics Christine-- Just wanted to let you know that, while this essay seems not to have been noticed much here on the list, I've passed it on to a number of people, and it seems fairly illuminating to me. Thanks for posting it. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard =article&node=&contentId ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:37:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I agree. Thank you for posting it. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Geoffrey Heard essay on the war situation and economics > Christine-- > > Just wanted to let you know that, while this essay seems not to > have been noticed much here on the list, I've passed it on to > a number of people, and it seems fairly illuminating to me. > > Thanks for posting it. > > Hal > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > > { > { FWD - > { > { > { > { > { > { *** It's not about oil or Iraq. It's about the US and Europe going > { head-to-head on world economic dominance. *** > { > { Summary: Why is George Bush so hell bent on war with Iraq? Why does his > { administration reject every positive Iraqi move? It all makes sense when you > { consider the economic implications for the USA of not going to war with > { Iraq. The war in Iraq is actually the US and Europe going head to head on > { economic leadership of the world. > { > { America's Bush administration has been caught in outright lies, gross > { exaggerations and incredible inaccuracies as it trotted out its litany of > { paper thin excuses for making war on Iraq. Along with its two supporters, > { Britain and Australia, it has shifted its ground and reversed its position > { with a barefaced contempt for its audience. It has manipulated information, > { deceived by commission and omission and frantically "bought" UN votes with > { billion dollar bribes. > { > { Faced with the failure of gaining UN Security Council support for invading > { Iraq, the USA has threatened to invade without authorisation. It would act > { in breach of the UN's very constitution to allegedly enforced UN > { resolutions. > { > { It is plain bizarre. Where does this desperation for war come from? > { > { There are many things driving President Bush and his administration to > { invade Iraq, unseat Saddam Hussein and take over the country. But the > { biggest one is hidden and very, very simple. It is about the currency used > { to trade oil and consequently, who will dominate the world economically, in > { the foreseeable future -- the USA or the European Union. > { > { Iraq is a European Union beachhead in that confrontation. America had a > { monopoly on the oil trade, with the US dollar being the fiat currency, but > { Iraq broke ranks in 1999, started to trade oil in the EU's euros, and > { profited. If America invades Iraq and takes over, it will hurl the EU and > { its euro back into the sea and make America's position as the dominant > { economic power in the world all but impregnable. > { > { It is the biggest grab for world power in modern times. > { > { America's allies in the invasion, Britain and Australia, are betting America > { will win and that they will get some trickle-down benefits for jumping on to > { the US bandwagon. > { > { France and Germany are the spearhead of the European force -- Russia would > { like to go European but possibly can still be bought off. > { > { Presumably, China would like to see the Europeans build a share of > { international trade currency ownership at this point while it continues to > { grow its international trading presence to the point where it, too, can > { share the leadership rewards. > { > { DEBATE BUILDING ON THE INTERNET > { > { Oddly, little or nothing is appearing in the general media about this issue, > { although key people are becoming aware of it -- note the recent slide in the > { value of the US dollar. Are traders afraid of war? They are more likely to > { be afraid there will not be war. > { > { But despite the silence in the general media, a major world discussion is > { developing around this issue, particularly on the internet. Among the many > { articles: Henry Liu, in the 'Asia Times' last June, it has been a hot topic > { on the Feasta forum, an Irish-based group exploring sustainable economics, > { and W. Clark's "The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War with Iraq: A > { Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth" has been > { published by the 'Sierra Times', 'Indymedia.org', and 'ratical.org'. > { > { This debate is not about whether America would suffer from losing the US > { dollar monopoly on oil trading -- that is a given -- rather it is about > { exactly how hard the USA would be hit. The smart money seems to be saying > { the impact would be in the range from severe to catastrophic. The USA could > { collapse economically. > { > { OIL DOLLARS > { > { The key to it all is the fiat currency for trading oil. > { > { Under an OPEC agreement, all oil has been traded in US dollars since 1971 > { (after the dropping of the gold standard) which makes the US dollar the de > { facto major international trading currency. If other nations have to hoard > { dollars to buy oil, then they want to use that hoard for other trading too. > { This fact gives America a huge trading advantage and helps make it the > { dominant economy in the world. > { > { As an economic bloc, the European Union is the only challenger to the USA's > { economic position, and it created the euro to challenge the dollar in > { international markets. However, the EU is not yet united behind the euro -- > { there is a lot of jingoistic national politics involved, not least in > { Britain -- and in any case, so long as nations throughout the world must > { hoard dollars to buy oil, the euro can make only very limited inroads into > { the dollar's dominance. > { > { In 1999, Iraq, with the world's second largest oil reserves, switched to > { trading its oil in euros. American analysts fell about laughing; Iraq had > { just made a mistake that was going to beggar the nation. But two years on, > { alarm bells were sounding; the euro was rising against the dollar, Iraq had > { given itself a huge economic free kick by switching. > { > { Iran started thinking about switching too; Venezuela, the 4th largest oil > { producer, began looking at it and has been cutting out the dollar by > { bartering oil with several nations including America's bete noir, Cuba. > { Russia is seeking to ramp up oil production with Europe (trading in euros) > { an obvious market. > { > { The greenback's grip on oil trading and consequently on world trade in > { general, was under serious threat. If America did not stamp on this > { immediately, this economic brushfire could rapidly be fanned into a wildfire > { capable of consuming the US's economy and its dominance of world trade. > { > { HOW DOES THE US GET ITS DOLLAR ADVANTAGE? > { > { Imagine this: you are deep in debt but every day you write cheques for > { millions of dollars you don't have -- another luxury car, a holiday home at > { the beach, the world trip of a lifetime. > { > { Your cheques should be worthless but they keep buying stuff because those > { cheques you write never reach the bank! You have an agreement with the > { owners of one thing everyone wants, call it petrol/gas, that they will > { accept only your cheques as payment. This means everyone must hoard your > { cheques so they can buy petrol/gas. Since they have to keep a stock of your > { cheques, they use them to buy other stuff too. You write a cheque to buy a > { TV, the TV shop owner swaps your cheque for petrol/gas, that seller buys > { some vegetables at the fruit shop, the fruiterer passes it on to buy bread, > { the baker buys some flour with it, and on it goes, round and round -- but > { never back to the bank. > { > { You have a debt on your books, but so long as your cheque never reaches the > { bank, you don't have to pay. In effect, you have received your TV free. > { > { This is the position the USA has enjoyed for 30 years -- it has been getting > { a free world trade ride for all that time. It has been receiving a huge > { subsidy from everyone else in the world. As it debt has been growing, it has > { printed more money (written more cheques) to keep trading. No wonder it is > { an economic powerhouse! > { > { Then one day, one petrol seller says he is going to accept another person's > { cheques, a couple of others think that might be a good idea. If this > { spreads, people are going to stop hoarding your cheques and they will come > { flying home to the bank. Since you don't have enough in the bank to cover > { all the cheques, very nasty stuff is going to hit the fan! > { > { But you are big, tough and very aggressive. You don't scare the other guy > { who can write cheques, he's pretty big too, but given a 'legitimate' excuse, > { you can beat the tripes out of the lone gas seller and scare him and his > { mates into submission. > { > { And that, in a nutshell, is what the USA is doing right now with Iraq. > { > { AMERICA'S PRECARIOUS ECONOMIC POSITION > { > { America is so eager to attack Iraq now because of the speed with which the > { euro fire could spread. If Iran, Venezuela and Russia join Iraq and sell > { large quantities of oil for euros, the euro would have the leverage it needs > { to become a powerful force in general international trade. Other nations > { would have to start swapping some of their dollars for euros. > { > { The dollars the USA has printed, the 'cheques' it has written, would start > { to fly home, stripping away the illusion of value behind them. The USA's > { real economic condition is about as bad as it could be; it is the most > { debt-ridden nation on earth, owing about US$12,000 for every single one of > { it's 280 million men, women and children. It is worse than the position of > { Indonesia when it imploded economically a few years ago, or more recently, > { that of Argentina. > { > { Even if OPEC did not switch to euros wholesale (and that would make a very > { nice non-oil profit for the OPEC countries, including minimising the various > { contrived debts America has forced on some of them), the US's difficulties > { would build. Even if only a small part of the oil trade went euro, that > { would do two things immediately: > { > { * Increase the attractiveness to EU members of joining the 'eurozone', which > { in turn would make the euro stronger and make it more attractive to oil > { nations as a trading currency and to other nations as a general trading > { currency. > { > { * Start the US dollars flying home demanding value when there isn't enough > { in the bank to cover them. > { > { * The markets would over-react as usual and in no time, the US dollar's > { value would be spiralling down. > { > { THE US SOLUTION > { > { America's response to the euro threat was predictable. It has come out > { fighting. > { > { It aims to achieve four primary things by going to war with Iraq: > { > { * Safeguard the American economy by returning Iraq to trading oil in US > { dollars, so the greenback is once again the exclusive oil currency. > { > { * Send a very clear message to any other oil producers just what will happen > { to them if they do not stay in the dollar circle. Iran has already received > { one message -- remember how puzzled you were that in the midst of moderation > { and secularization, Iran was named as a member of the axis of evil? > { > { * Place the second largest reserves of oil in the world under direct > { American control. > { > { * Provide a secular, subject state where the US can maintain a huge force > { (perhaps with nominal elements from allies such as Britain and Australia) to > { dominate the Middle East and its vital oil. This would enable the US to > { avoid using what it sees as the unreliable Turkey, the politically > { impossible Israel and surely the next state in its sights, Saudi Arabia, the > { birthplace of al Qaeda and a hotbed of anti-American sentiment. > { > { * Severe setback the European Union and its euro, the only trading bloc and > { currency strong enough to attack the USA's dominance of world trade through > { the dollar. > { > { * Provide cover for the US to run a covert operation to overturn the > { democratically elected government of Venezuela and replace it with an > { America-friendly military supported junta -- and put Venezuala's oil into > { American hands. > { > { Locking the world back into dollar oil trading would consolidate America's > { current position and make it all but impregnable as the dominant world > { power -- economically and militarily. A splintered Europe (the US is working > { hard to split Europe; Britain was easy, but other Europeans have offered > { support in terms of UN votes) and its euro would suffer a serious setback > { and might take decades to recover. > { > { It is the boldest grab for absolute power the world has seen in modern > { times. America is hardly likely to allow the possible slaughter of a few > { hundred thousand Iraqis stand between it and world domination. > { > { President Bush did promise to protect the American way of life. This is what > { he meant. > { > { JUSTIFYING WAR > { > { Obviously, the US could not simply invade Iraq, so it began casting around > { for a 'legitimate' reason to attack. That search has been one of increasing > { desperation as each rationalization has crumbled. First Iraq was a threat > { because of alleged links to al Qaeda; then it was proposed Iraq might supply > { al Qaeda with weapons; then Iraq's military threat to its neighbours was > { raised; then the need to deliver Iraqis from Saddam Hussein's horrendously > { inhumane rule; finally there is the question of compliance with UN weapons > { inspection. > { > { The USA's justifications for invading Iraq are looking less impressive by > { the day. The US's statements that it would invade Iraq unilaterally without > { UN support and in defiance of the UN make a total nonsense of any American > { claim that it is concerned about the world body's strength and standing. > { > { The UN weapons inspectors have come up with minimal infringements of the UN > { weapons limitations -- the final one being low tech rockets which exceed the > { range allowed by about 20 percent. But there is no sign of the so-called > { weapons of mass destruction (WMD) the US has so confidently asserted are to > { be found. Colin Powell named a certain north Iraqi village as a threat. It > { was not. He later admitted it was the wrong village. > { > { 'Newsweek' (24/2) has reported that while Bush officials have been > { trumpeting the fact that key Iraqi defector, Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel, told > { the US in 1995 that Iraq had manufactured tonnes of nerve gas and anthrax > { (Colin Powell's 5 February presentation to the UN was just one example) they > { neglected to mention that Kamel had also told the US that these weapons had > { been destroyed. > { > { Parts of the US and particularly the British secret 'evidence' have been > { shown to come from a student's masters thesis. > { > { America's expressed concern about the Iraqi people's human rights and the > { country's lack of democracy are simply not supported by the USA's history of > { intervention in other states nor by its current actions. Think Guatemala, > { the Congo, Chile and Nicaragua as examples of a much larger pool of US > { actions to tear down legitimate, democratically elected governments and > { replace them with war, disruption, starvation, poverty, corruption, > { dictatorships, torture, rape and murder for its own economic ends. The most > { recent, Afghanistan, is not looking good; in fact that reinstalled a > { murderous group of warlords which America had earlier installed, then > { deposed, in favour of the now hated Taliban. > { > { Saddam Hussein was just as repressive, corrupt and murderous 15 years ago > { when he used chemical weapons, supplied by the US, against the Kurds. The > { current US Secretary for Defence, Donald Rumsfeld, so vehement against Iraq > { now, was on hand personally to turn aside condemnation of Iraq and blame > { Iran. At that time, of course, the US thought Saddam Hussein was their > { man -- they were using him against the perceived threat of Iran's Islamic > { fundamentalism. > { > { Right now, as 'The Independent' writer, Robert Fisk, has noted, the US's > { efforts to buy Algeria's UN vote includes promises of re-arming the military > { which has a decade long history of repression, torture, rape and murder > { Saddam Hussein himself would envy. It is estimated 200,000 people have died, > { and countless others been left maimed by the activities of these monsters. > { What price the US's humanitarian concerns for Iraqis? (Of course, the French > { are also wooing Algeria, their former north African territory, for all they > { are worth, but at least they are not pretending to be driven by humanitarian > { concerns.) > { > { Indonesia is another nation with a vote and influence as the largest Muslim > { nation in the world. Its repressive, murderous military is regaining > { strength on the back of the US's so-called anti-terror campaign and is > { receiving promises of open and covert support -- including intelligence > { sharing. > { > { AND VENEZUELA > { > { While the world's attention is focused on Iraq, America is both openly and > { covertly supporting the "coup of the rich" in Venezuela, which grabbed power > { briefly in April last year before being intimidated by massive public > { displays of support by the poor for democratically-elected President Chavez > { Frias. The coup leaders continue to use their control of the private media, > { much of industry and the ear of the American Government and its oily > { intimates to cause disruption and disturbance. > { > { Venezuela's state-owned oil resources would make rich pickings for American > { oil companies and provide the US with an important oil source in its own > { backyard. > { > { Many writers have noted the contradiction between America's alleged desire > { to establish democracy in Iraq while at the same time, actively undermining > { the democratically-elected government in Venezuela. Above the line, America > { rushed to recognise the coup last April; more recently, President Bush has > { called for "early elections", ignoring the fact that President Chavez Frias > { has won three elections and two referendums and, in any case, early > { elections would be unconstitutional. > { > { One element of the USA's covert action against Venezuela is the behaviour of > { American transnational businesses, which have locked out employees in > { support of "national strike" action. Imagine them doing that in the USA! > { There is no question that a covert operation is in process to overturn the > { legitimate Venezuelan government. Uruguayan congressman, Jose Nayardi, made > { it public when he revealed that the Bush administration had asked for > { Uruguay's support for Venezuelan white collar executives and trade union > { activists "to break down levels of intransigence within the Chavez Frias > { administration". The process, he noted, was a shocking reminder of the CIA's > { 1973 intervention in Chile which saw General Pinochet lead his military coup > { to take over President Allende's democratically elected government in a > { bloodbath. > { > { President Chavez Frias is desperately clinging to government, but with the > { might of the USA aligned with his opponents, how long can he last? > { > { THE COST OF WAR > { > { Some have claimed that an American invasion of Iraq would cost so many > { billions of dollars that oil returns would never justify such an action. > { > { But when the invasion is placed in the context of the protection of the > { entire US economy for now and into the future, the balance of the argument > { changes. > { > { Further, there are three other vital factors: > { > { First, America will be asking others to help pay for the war because it is > { protecting their interests. Japan and Saudi Arabia made serious > { contributions to the cost of the 1991 Gulf war. > { > { Second -- in reality, war will cost the USA very little -- or at least, very > { little over and above normal expenditure. This war is already paid for! All > { the munitions and equipment have been bought and paid for. The USA would > { have to spend hardly a cent on new hardware to prosecute this war -- the > { expenditure will come later when munitions and equipment have to be replaced > { after the war. But munitions, hardware andso on are being replaced all the > { time -- contracts are out. Some contracts will simply be brought forward and > { some others will be ramped up a bit, but spread over a few years, the cost > { will not be great. And what is the real extra cost of an army at war > { compared with maintaining the standing army around the world, running > { exercises and so on? It is there, but it is a relatively small sum. > { > { Third -- lots of the extra costs involved in the war are dollars spent > { outside America, not least in the purchase of fuel. Guess how America will > { pay for these? By printing dollars it is going to war to protect. The same > { happens when production begins to replace hardware. components, minerals, > { etc. are bought in with dollars that go overseas and exploit America's > { trading advantage. > { > { The cost of war is not nearly as big as it is made out to be. The cost of > { not going to war would be horrendous for the USA -- unless there were > { another way of protecting the greenback's world trade dominance. > { > { AMERICA'S TWO ACTIVE ALLIES > { > { Why are Australia and Britain supporting America in its transparent Iraqi > { war ploy? > { > { Australia, of course, has significant US dollar reserves and trades widely > { in dollars and extensively with America. A fall in the US dollar would > { reduce Australia's debt, perhaps, but would do nothing for the Australian > { dollar's value against other currencies. John Howard, the Prime Minister, > { has long cherished the dream of a free trade agreement with the USA in the > { hope that Australia can jump on the back of the free ride America gets in > { trade through the dollar's position as the major trading medium. That would > { look much less attractive if the euro took over a significant part of the > { oil trade. > { > { Britain has yet to adopt the euro. If the US takes over Iraq and blocks the > { euro's incursion into oil trading, Tony Blair will have given his French and > { German counterparts a bloody nose, and gained more room to manouevre on the > { issue -- perhaps years more room. Britain would be in a position to demand a > { better deal from its EU partners for entering the "eurozone" if the new > { currency could not make the huge value gains guaranteed by a significant > { role in world oil trading. It might even be in a position to withdraw from > { Europe and link with America against continental Europe. > { > { On the other hand, if the US cannot maintain the oil trade dollar monopoly, > { the euro will rapidly go from strength to strength, and Britain could be > { left begging to be allowed into the club. > { > { THE OPPOSITION > { > { Some of the reasons for opposition to the American plan are obvious -- > { America is already the strongest nation on earth and dominates world trade > { through its dollar. If it had control of the Iraqi oil and a base for its > { forces in the Middle East, it would not add to, but would multiply its > { power. > { > { The oil-producing nations, particularly the Arab ones, can see the writing > { on the wall and are quaking in their boots. > { > { France and Germany are the EU leaders with the vision of a resurgent, united > { Europe taking its rightful place in the world and using its euro currency as > { a world trading reserve currency and thus gaining some of the free ride the > { United States enjoys now. They are the ones who initiated the euro oil trade > { with Iraq. > { > { Russia is in deep economic trouble and knows it will get worse the day > { America starts exploiting its take-over of Afghanistan by running a pipeline > { southwards via Afghanistan from the giant southern Caspian oil fields. > { Currently, that oil is piped northwards -- where Russia has control. > { > { Russia is in the process of ramping up oil production with the possibility > { of trading some of it for euros and selling some to the US itself. Russia > { already has enough problems with the fact that oil is traded in US dollars; > { if the US has control of Iraqi oil, it could distort the market to Russia's > { enormous disadvantage. In addition, Russia has interests in Iraqi oil; an > { American take over could see them lost. Already on its knees, Russia could > { be beggared before a mile of the Afghanistan pipeline is laid. > { > { ANOTHER SOLUTION? > { > { The scenario clarifies the seriousness of America's position and explains > { its frantic drive for war. It also suggests that solutions other than war > { are possible. > { > { Could America agree to share the trading goodies by allowing Europe to have > { a negotiated part of it? Not very likely, but it is just possible Europe can > { stare down the USA and force such an outcome. Time will tell. What about > { Europe taking the statesmanlike, humanitarian and long view, and > { withdrawing, leaving the oil to the US, with appropriate safeguards for > { ordinary Iraqis and democracy in Venezuela? > { > { Europe might then be forced to adopt a smarter approach -- perhaps > { accelerating the development of alternative energy technologies which would > { reduce the EU's reliance on oil for energy and produce goods it could trade > { for euros -- shifting the world trade balance. > { > { Now that would be a very positive outcome for everyone. > { > { . . . . > { > { Geoffrey Heard is a Melbourne, Australia, writer on the environment, > { sustainability and human rights. . . . . > { > { Geoffrey Heard © 2003. Anyone is free to circulate this document provided it > { is complete and in its current form with attribution and no payment is > { asked. It is prohibited to reproduce this document or any part of it for > { commercial gain without the prior permission of the author. For such > { permission, contact the author at gheard@surf.net.au. > { > { SOME REFERENCES AND FURTHER INFORMATION: > { > { http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html > { 'The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq: A Macroeconomic and > { Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth' by W. Clark, January 2003 > { (revised 20 February), Independent Media Center, www.indymedia.org > { > { http://www.indymedia.ie/cgi-bin/newswire.cgi?id=28334 > { This war is about more than oil. OIL DOLLARS!!!! DOLLARS, THE EURO AND WAR > { IN IRAQ. This story is based on material posted by Richard Douthwaite on the > { FEASTA list in Ireland. > { > { http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/12/1550023_comment.php#1551138 > { USA intelligence agencies revealed in plot to oust Venezuela's President > { > { http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:07:40 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: War Without End MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1988: Prior to this year, George Bush Jr. is a failed oil man. Three times friends and investors have bailed him out to keep him from going bankrupt. But in this year, the same year his father becomes President, some Saudis buy a portion of his small company, Harken, which has never worked outside of Texas. Later in the year, Harken wins a contract in the Persian Gulf and starts doing well financially. These transactions seem so suspicious that even the Wall Street Journal in 1991 states it "raises the question of ... an effort to cozy up to a presidential son." Two major investors into Bush's company during this time are Salem bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's father, and Khaled bin Mahfouz. [Salon, 11/19/01, Intelligence Newsletter, 3/2/00] Khaled bin Mahfouz is a Saudi banker with a 20% stake in BCCI, a bank that will go bankrupt a few years later in the biggest corruption scandal in banking history (see July 5, 1991). In 1999 Mahfouz will be placed under house arrest in Saudi Arabia for contributions he gave to welfare organizations closely linked to bin Laden. [Boston Herald, 12/11/01] The sister of Mahfouz is married to Osama bin Laden. [Washington Post, 2/17/02] June 4, 1992: It is reported that the FBI is investigating the connections between James Bath and George Bush Jr. Bath is Salem bin Laden's official representative in the US. "Documents indicate that the Saudis were using Bath and their huge financial resources to influence US policy," since Bush Jr.'s father is president. Bush denies any connections to Saudi money. What became of this investigation is unclear. [Houston Chronicle, 6/4/92] April, 1999: A Saudi government audit shows that five of Saudi Arabia's billionaires have been giving tens of millions of dollars to al-Qaeda. The audit shows that these businessmen transferred money from the National Commercial Bank to accounts of Islamic charities in London and New York banks that serve as fronts for bin Laden. $3 million was diverted from a Saudi pension fund. The only action taken is that Khalid bin Mahfouz, founder of National Commercial Bank, Saudi Arabia's biggest bank, is placed under house arrest. Bin Mahfouz had invested in George Bush Jr.'s businesses starting in 1989. The US has not frozen the accounts of bin Mahfouz, and he continues to engage in major oil deals with US corporations. [USA Today, 10/29/99, Boston Herald, 12/10/01] January 21, 2001: George Bush Jr. is inaugurated as the 43rd US President, replacing Clinton. The only major figure to permanently remain in office is CIA Director Tenet, appointed in 1997 and reputedly a long time friend of Bush Sr. FBI Director Louis Freeh stays on a few more months, until June 2001. Numerous figures in Bush's administration are directly connected to the oil industry. Over 50 of Bush's new staff are later shown to have worked for Enron. [Salon, 11/30/01] from http://www.itszone.co.uk/George-W-Bush.htm Personal Note: bin Mafouz denies virtually every claim made about him, and does so on his own web site, with a special FAQ page. However, given his diminished credibility ( two big factorsL 1) his association with BCCI and 2) his desperate need as a businessman to restore confidence) I wouldn't believe a word he says. Osama bin Laden's older brother, Salem bin Laden, heir to the Binladen Group, and his father, Muhammed, both died in suspicious small craft plane accidents over Texas. Muhammad in 1968, over Prez Bush I's oil fields, and Salem, 20 years later, in Texas as well, taking off from a Bush-owned airfield. Ptrick ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:26:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Shifting the Subject: In-Reply-To: <004001c2f0c3$936d0680$605e3318@LINKAGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shifting the Subject: an interview with kari edwards http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/edwards.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:52:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Emerson at a time like this In-Reply-To: <3E7C9B02.7BBDA241@pacbell.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glad you found it worthwhile Rodney! Emerson's antislavery writings are so goddamn inspiring I can't tell you - a guy with unsurpassed intellectual ability throwing himself whole hog into political speechmaking - can you imagine if we had some equivalent of that today what it might mean to everyone? Anyway, if you want to read my full gush about this and your library has RARITAN you can check out my article "Emerson's Emancipation Proclamations in 20:4 (Spring 2001), pp. 96-116. Peace, -m. Quoting Rodney K : > Mike, > > I found your e-mail on Emerson incredibly heartening. It reminded me > that American ideals have always had an uphill fight against American > realities--Manifest Destiny, slavery, now I think some uniquely American > form of world empire--and yet somehow manage to find a voice. How much > that voice is worth, how hard-won. > > I think too of how much our poetic owes to war resistance; the lying > rhetoric of WWI that soured a generation on the Victorian platitudes of > honor, duty, country. That language is one of the first casualties of > war--'smart bomb,' 'axis of evil,' 'terrorist,' 'shock and awe,' > 'coalition of the willing,' 'operation: freedom, infinite justice, > desert shield,' 'rogue state'--is a truth that hits home with the force > of a bunkerbuster right now. Just using the language as truthfully as > we can, as poets, as Americans, and like you say, pointing out where it > lies, has a value that perhaps none of us can see quite clearly now. I > bet Emerson couldn't. Thanks for the much-needed history jolt. > > > --Rodney Koeneke > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:55:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Emerson - whoops In-Reply-To: <1048377123.3e7cf723b3802@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Whoops, meant to send this just to Rodney, where it might have sounded less self-promotional...but, there you go. Looked on TV like the NYC protest was a strong one today - would love to hear from someone who was on the ground. -m. Quoting mmagee@dept.english.upenn.edu: > Glad you found it worthwhile Rodney! Emerson's antislavery writings are so > goddamn inspiring I can't tell you - a guy with unsurpassed intellectual > ability throwing himself whole hog into political speechmaking - can you > imagine if we had some equivalent of that today what it might mean to > everyone? > Anyway, if you want to read my full gush about this and your library has > RARITAN you can check out my article "Emerson's Emancipation Proclamations > in > 20:4 (Spring 2001), pp. 96-116. Peace, -m. > > Quoting Rodney K : > > > Mike, > > > > I found your e-mail on Emerson incredibly heartening. It reminded me > > that American ideals have always had an uphill fight against American > > realities--Manifest Destiny, slavery, now I think some uniquely American > > form of world empire--and yet somehow manage to find a voice. How much > > that voice is worth, how hard-won. > > > > I think too of how much our poetic owes to war resistance; the lying > > rhetoric of WWI that soured a generation on the Victorian platitudes of > > honor, duty, country. That language is one of the first casualties of > > war--'smart bomb,' 'axis of evil,' 'terrorist,' 'shock and awe,' > > 'coalition of the willing,' 'operation: freedom, infinite justice, > > desert shield,' 'rogue state'--is a truth that hits home with the force > > of a bunkerbuster right now. Just using the language as truthfully as > > we can, as poets, as Americans, and like you say, pointing out where it > > lies, has a value that perhaps none of us can see quite clearly now. I > > bet Emerson couldn't. Thanks for the much-needed history jolt. > > > > > > --Rodney Koeneke > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:14:18 -0700 Reply-To: jvcervantes@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: bloglets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 3/19/03 After peeing and meditating, I broke my fast with yogurt and tofu. Then I jogged to the Starbucks, found a nice clean table and had just one latte and a cinnamon-raisin bagel. It's quite peaceful this early in the morning after the schoolbuses have left the neighborhood, so I read a little out of _Haiku for Passages_. Then I did a few pilates in the parking lot and some tai-chi on a promontory overlooking the Pacific Ocean, forgiving the offshore rigs and blessing their crews. Jogged back home and fired up the Braun - the cats were so kittenish as they jumped and ran away! While the expresso accumulated, I had my one morning joint and made notes for today's poetic/politico entry (which is below under 10:20 p.m.). The expresso was delicious and I cleared my mind of everything for its jolt. The problem these days is no one takes time to appreciate a moment, such as the delicious irony of the CNN banner running left to right in its reflection on my computer screen. The other reality was that "raw" was really "war." But I remembered the cypress on the promontory, leaning away from eons of ocean breeze, and was comforted knowing it would still be there after all the bodies were buried. And, yes, I jogged back there and wept. comments to UrmeIamU@aol.con ======================================== 3/20/03 7:38 p.m. I'm watching because, quite frankly, I want to know what this "shock and awe" is/are all about. Though I try concentration exercises, that CNN ticker (called it "banner" yesterday but I understand that in this case terms are interchangeable) is distracting. Is it old news, or is it news that is newer than what's on the screen? I asked my reading group over tonight to pray and chant and think good thoughts. We'd been revisiting The Hitchhiker's Guide so we could interrogate presumptions about universal views, and after torturing that we decided The Ring was more appropriate since some of our leaders appear to act as if they have magical powers. We lit some incense and meditated a bit before we tried to tackle that. There was a cat on every person's lap. We took it as a sign and discussed everything in polite low tones. "Don't droop old crocus/Spring's new snow will melt so soon/See summer's new frock," interrupted Maegann with impromptu haiku. That was a signal it was time for tea, so we all unfolded from lotus position and put the t.v. on mute. comments to UrmeIamU@aol.con ======================================= 3/21/03 3:20 a.m. I'm still up. Surrendered to a Morrocan last night whose dream was of the 7th Cavalry riding sheep into "Big Little Horn." Multiculturalism has always been my bag - I even fly a UN flag on my '98 Celica. M. Arum says I'm lucky I live in a liberal neighborhood. At any rate, I recommend reading the Upinashads and the Bible to throw light on this whole mess and to stay away from .com sites as they have an agenda and are written by the same people who give Ari Fleisher his Cliff Notes. A certain nostalgia washing over me now as I think of those slim yellow-bound volumes and how they helped clarify Thomas Stearns Eliot for me, not to mention the sexual politics of Madame Bovary and the "other" so deeply embedded in Crime & Punishment. I'm thinking of reviving them as Cuff Notes for our Time, or Klept Notes for our Time on copy-protected CDs. By the way, you can buy single electric candles for your windows at any of those dollar stores. Which reminds me: Have you felt your tv lately? My Trinitron is quite warm so I've turned it off for a while. I urge you to do the same. We can't afford to lose what may be our only link to the outside world. comments to UrmeIamU@aol.con ====================================== 3/22/03 1:00 a.m. It was too much. And of course the biggest booms got replay. I've invited my friend Maegann to come watch the Oscars with me tomorrow. I want The Hours to win everything. I want to go to San Francisco. I want to go sit beneath my leaning cypress and be able to look across the sea. I'm going to invent something called the pithyram. comments to UrmeIamU@aol.con ====================================== 3/23/03 2:40 a.m. I have to report a witness embedded in the ocean time zone. Radly the vehicle fights, explodes admunitions precisely. I see suicide bummer, elethumps of crass dissection, chumical septums surrendering en masse, tracers, fussed storms, ticker brain. It makes since we metal wave freedom sands. Maegann has candles, charred at work to get it done. Have a tummy frank. All across America today it is like the new days because finally angry at media and it had to cover itself. Driving here I saw expeditions, explorers, excursions, navigators, escapes, tahoes, yukons, and avalanches. The largest precision ever. They drove to demonstrate. GO, JERRY! comments to UrmeIamU@aol.con ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:13:21 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: Emerson at a time like this MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, thank you for invoking Emerson, who is good at anytime ("every word was once a poem"). To add to the discussion, I suggest a little known text by Stanley Cavell, titled, This New Yet UnApproachable America: Lectures after Emerson after Wittgenstein, published by the Living Batch Press of Albuquerque in 1989 (Gus Blaisdale). Cavell has done a great deal to legitimate Emerson as a philosopher. Also, Richard Poirier, a literary scholar, has a fine book The Renewal of Literature: Emersonian Reflections, Yale 1988 that reads American literature through Emerson thinking. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:36:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As always, what concerns me is the demographics of the split, which are by no means easy to define but nonetheless mark the boundaries in our ongoing cultural war. Jews, for instance, are divided 50-50, with the proponderance of war supporters among the most orthodox. In this group education is not a marker, as it tends to be in the northeast, less educated whites tending to back the war, although that backing is more among men than women. White christian fundamentalists are overwhelmingly in favor, and their numbers are especially strong among the less educated in the southeast. Most minority groups are not in favor. In the mountain states education is less of a factor. One could go in. Groups of people who would be uncomfortable living next to each other line up on the same side of a range of issues, from snowmobiles in national parks to phonics to war. The issues themselves are often, like party membership, more identification markers than convictions based on thought--they are part of one's uniform in the cultural war. One can always be sure that it's "them" who oppose, demonstrate, etc. This works as well in reverse, of course. But it's hard not to feel superior on our side to the large mass on the other whose grasp of language is so faulty that they're convinced that Saddam is behind Al Queda. Here's another division worth talking about. We now have a professional standing army, consisting, as it did before WWII (but it was then only a quarter million strong, and its weapons were primitive), of an officer class recruited from among those with the clout to get recommended to the academies, and grunts self-selected from among the less privileged, less educated. They are separated for most of their careers from the communities and classes in which they were raised and largely isolated by their transience from the non-military communities around their bases. So an institutional culture develops. This seems to me very dangerous. Charles Rangel's [sic?] suggestion that we reinstate a universal draft begins to make a lot of sense. Mark At 10:54 AM 3/22/2003 -0700, you wrote: >cbs/ny times poll indicates that 93% of repubs favor this war, but >only 50% of dems (at the start of the first gulf war it was 81% >dems)... equiv. split between repubs and dems re support of bush... >cnn/usa today poll results were similar... > >all of which indicates, among other things, a partisan split of >significant proportions... but in any case, a divided country, and if >"only" 30% of people in this country are opposed to the war, that's >still a large number of people, esp. large in historical terms for >the start of military operations... > >there's no way the u.s. is going to pull out now, and one hopes of >course for a speedy resolution of conflict with minimal casualities >all the way around... seems to me the protestors are doing some good >in any case by keeping pressure on the administration... this time >'round we can say with some confidence that > >the whole world is watching... > >best, > >joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:55:02 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 258 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM . :::: o o 0 o o o 0 0 0 o O o o . = o o o O 0 0 o 0 O O 0 :::: . o o o o 0 0 O O :::: . PEACE in refugee camps JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 17:52:44 PST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ashley D. Edwards" Subject: Jim Behrle contact info MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Jim, If you're out there, I'd like your e-mail address. My friend Mary Rose mentioned that you may be doing a Portland, Oregon issue of "can we have our ball back?". Is this true? If so, do you have a date in mind for publication? Thanks, Ashley E. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:28:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Notice: Mudlark In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" jeffrey little is just terrific. a former minnesota poet with a great reading style. At 1:45 PM -0500 3/22/03, William Slaughter wrote: >New and On View: Mudlark No. 22 (2003) > >Biography As In Syntax > >The Babble Poems by Jeffrey Little > > >Contents > >The Gnostic Texts of Mother Jones, was Mother Jones, > The World and What To Do >A Singing Over the Stone Age: Technology and the Defiance of Sarah Good >When the Open is No Other Houses the Strength of Harriet Tubman >The Soap Bubble and The Unidentified Flying Object: > Crazy Horse Ill-defined >Circles of Anne Hutchinson Source the Thorn >When Alice Paul Changed The Floor >John Brown, of Water, Assembles a Small Band of Clouds >The Returning of Margaret Mead, A Transmigration >The Larger, The Smaller: Richard Feynman in the Pilgrimage of Fog >Trust the Stone Age: Karen Horney (as Hybrid) > Works to Spook the Lesser Gods >Sympton Six of Doubt: Karl Jaspers and Why the Bread Won't Thin >The Emulsion of Lise Meitner in the Island of the Transparent Heartbeat >Martin Buber and The One Wildly Waving Hand >Susan Sontag: The Blue Fog Bad >Kali: An Obsession with No Resemblance to the Stars >The Ten Tribes of Robert Johnson Trace the Sun > Back to the Ancestors of Caste >Gertrude Stein and The Blitz Undone Over 39 Feet Away >Encrypted, The Unpredictable Carom of Aime Cesaire >Eva Hesse Fiddling-Steam Organic Recollection >Toshinori Kondo and The Trumpet of a Thousand Spines > > >Author's Note > >Jeffrey Little is the author of The Hotel Sterno as well as the newly >released The Book of Arcana (tomorrow's stone-age cosmology today) both of >which are published by Spout Press, Minneapolis, MN, and are availble >directly through Spout at SpoutPress.com as well as Amazon.com. For the >last decade or so he's been throwing his poetry at folks in the hope that >some of it might actually wad up just right and stick. Some of it actually >has, at Exquisite Corpse, Shattered Wig, Columbia Poetry Review, Kiosk, >Fuori, Spout, Swerve, Juxta, Painted Bride Quarterly, >Muse-Apprentice-Guild.com, The-Hold.com and Lost & Found Times. He's the >author of Crayola in Arcana, also known as Mudlark No. 15 (2000), and a >number of other chapbooks including Buckshot & Sammy Davis: A Landscape of >Tubas (Undulating Bedsheets Productions, Los Angeles, CA), The Game Show >Years (Shattered Wig Press, Baltimore, MD), and in collaboration with Jim >Leftwich, Gnommonclature (Luna Bisonte Prods, Columbus, OH). He was also a >Delaware Division of the Arts Poetry Fellow in 2001. Go figure. > >Spread the word. Far and wide, > >William Slaughter >_________________ >MUDLARK >An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics >Never in and never out of print... >E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu >URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:40:53 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: coincidence? Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BF5358; boundary="=======6EB57F12=======" --=======6EB57F12======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BF5358; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yesterday 2 news items in the same news bulletin 1. turkey granted usa permission to use turkish air space for strikes on iraq. 2. turkey sends turkish troops into northern iraq to'kick the shit out of kurd rebels', supposedly despite usa opposition. coincidence? komninos komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======6EB57F12======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5BF5358 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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SHOULD BE A LOT OF >FUN!!!!!!!! > >The Urban Carnival & Prison Families of New York >present >An Evening of Poetics to raise awareness about >the Prison Industrial Complex >in New York State and to raise funds for PFNY > >Featuring: >Mojave, Talib Alsaifullah, Indigo, I-Con & Righteous >Afrikan Drumming w/ Bhawin Suchak, Dominic Romani, and J-Berd >with an OPEN MIC to follow > >Friday March 28, 2003 >@ the Westminster Church PC >262 State Street Albany, NY >Doors Open at 7:30pm >3$ Suggested Donation > >Approximately 2 million Americans are currently incarcerated in the United >States. Our prison population is the largest in the world. In the land of >the free, why do we need prisons? > >PFNY was founded in 1981 by an Albany woman whose husband was sentenced to >25 years to life in prison. It was incorporated as a not-for-profit in >1986, >and has grown since then to serve families and friends of prisoners >throughout New York. > >For more information, >contact the Urban Carnival at (518) 463-4160 >or Prison Families of New York at (518) 453-6659 > >All proceeds will go towards Prison Families of New York >This event is apart of International Mumia Week > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 21:08:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: More questions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" 1, does anyone have the address for Amiri Baraka they can send me back channel, even an e-mail address would be fine. 2, does anyone know the origins of the term the "go to guy"? Does it come from sports or the military or what? Please point me in the right direction. 3, has anyone who's read "The Spinster and the Prophet" tell me if any follow up work has been done about this case or if there are any good reviews on this book? Thanks everyone ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:20:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: sand MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII sand repetitive theses on originary violence this is protest fighting their way through the peaceable kingdom beneath the signifiers of structural-materialism the inherency of the truth of understanding burning the flag in solemn colors happening outside this and every other text swords swallow pens and plough-shares bullets swallow swords null sets of jehovas and allahs identity functions of self-reflexivity actions over performativity great men exhaust us history, of repetitions furious repetitive theses on originary violence this is protest this is maximum resistance fighting their way through the peaceable kingdom beneath the signifiers of structural-materialism burning the flag in solemn colors happening outside this and every other text swords swallow pens and plough-shares bullets swallow swords precision bombing removing every consonant every letter with churned-out energy furious acceptable analysis null sets of jehovas and allahs identity functions of self-reflexivity actions over performativity great men exhaust us the machinery and prosthetics of greatness continuity of terminologies in the gun-face already-known the of repetition murmur we repetitive theses on originary violence communality of the warriors burning the flag in solemn colors swords swallow pens and plough-shares bullets swallow swords precision bombing removing every consonant null sets of jehovas and allahs headllines over hermeneutics great men exhaust us the machinery and prosthetics of greatness continuity of terminologies in the gun-face again more and over repetitive theses on originary violence below and above this line this is protest this is wartime opposition this is maximum resistance fighting their way through the peaceable kingdom beneath the signifiers of structural-materialism the inherency of the truth of understanding burning the flag in solemn colors swords swallow pens and plough-shares bullets swallow swords every letter with churned-out energy null sets of jehovas and allahs identity functions of self-reflexivity headllines over hermeneutics great men exhaust us continuity of terminologies in the gun-face greatness with tryst the 1, x 0 truly, yours repetitive theses on originary violence this is protest this is wartime opposition this is maximum resistance fighting their way through the peaceable kingdom beneath the signifiers of structural-materialism the inherency of the truth of understanding burning the flag in solemn colors ministers and presidents in fiery effigies swords swallow pens and plough-shares bullets swallow swords every letter with churned-out energy furious acceptable analysis null sets of jehovas and allahs identity functions of self-reflexivity actions over performativity great men exhaust us the machinery and prosthetics of greatness theoretical machinery and generative analyses configurations of the proto-latinate continuity of terminologies in the gun-face blood quick the yawn, the fox, desert the the inherency of the truth of understanding bullets swallow swords the machinery and prosthetics of greatness continuity of terminologies in the gun-face sand "furious repetitions of history, we murmur repetition of the already-known over and more again yours truly, 0 x 1, the tryst with greatness the desert fox, the yawn, the quick blood sand" === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:50:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Baghdad war diary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I think this is real but not sure: . ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:30:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Noam Chomsky on ZNet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ZNet | Terror War =20 Deep Concerns =20 by Noam Chomsky; March 20, 2003 =20 At this grim moment, we can do nothing to stop the=20 ongoing invasion. But that does not mean that the task is=20 over for people who have some concern for justice, freedom,=20 and human rights. Far from it. The tasks will be more=20 urgent than before, whatever the outcome of the attack. =20 And about that, no one has any idea: not the Pentagon, the=20 CIA, or anyone else. Possibilities range from the=20 horrifying humanitarian catastrophes of which aid and=20 relief agencies that work in Iraq have been warning, to=20 relatively benign outcomes -- though even if not a hair is=20 harmed on anyone's head that will in no way mitigate the=20 criminality of those willing to subject helpless people to=20 such terrible risks, for their own shameful purposes. As for the outcomes, it will be a long time before=20 preliminary judgments can be made. One immediate task is=20 to lend what weight we can to more benign outcomes. That=20 means, primarily, caring for the needs of the victims, not=20 just of this war but of Washington's vicious and=20 destructive sanctions regime of the past ten years, which=20 has has devastated the civillian society, strengthened the=20 ruling tyrant, and compelled the population to rely on him=20 for survival. As has been pointed out for years, the=20 sanctions therefore undermined the hope that Saddam Hussein=20 would go the way of other murderous tyrants no less vicious=20 than he. That includes a terrible rogues gallery of=20 criminals who were also supported by those now at the helm=20 in Washington, in many cases to the last days of their=20 bloody rule: Ceausescu, to mention only one obvious and=20 highly pertinent case. Elementary decency would call for massive reparations=20 from the US; lacking that, at least a flow of aid to=20 Iraqis, so that they can rebuild what has been destroyed in=20 their own way, not as dictated by people in Washington and=20 Crawford whose higher faith is that power comes from the=20 barrel of a gun. But the issues are much more fundamental, and long=20 range. Opposition to the invasion of Iraq has been=20 entirely without historical precedent. That is why Bush=20 had to meet his two cronies at a US military base on an=20 island, where they would be safely removed from any mere=20 people. The opposition may be focused on the invasion of=20 Iraq, but its concerns go far beyond that. There is=20 growing fear of US power, which is considered to be the=20 greatest threat to peace in much of the world, probably by=20 a large majority. And with the technology of destruction=20 now at hand, rapidly becoming more lethal and ominous,=20 threat to peace means threat to survival. Fear of the US government is not based solely on this=20 invasion, but on the background from which it arises: An=20 openly-declared determination to rule the world by force,=20 the one dimension in which US power is supreme, and to make=20 sure that there will never be any challenge to that=20 domination. Preventive wars are to be fought at will:=20 Preventive, not Pre-emptive. Whatever the justifications=20 for pre-emptive war might sometimes be, they do not hold=20 for the very different category of preventive war: the use=20 of military force to eliminate an imagined or invented=20 threat. The openly-announced goal is to prevent any=20 challenge to the "power, position, and prestige of the=20 United States." Such challenge, now or in the future, and=20 any sign that it may emerge, will be met with overwhelming=20 force by the rulers of the country that now apparently=20 outspends the rest of the world combined on means of=20 violence, and is forging new and very dangerous paths over=20 near-unanimous world opposition: development of lethal=20 weaponry in space, for example. =20 It is worth bearing in mind that the words I quoted are=20 not those of Dick Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld or other=20 radical statist extremists now in charge. Rather, they are=20 the words of the respected elder statesman Dean Acheson, 40=20 years ago, when he was a senior advisor to the Kennedy=20 Administration. He was justifying US actions against Cuba=20 -- knowing that the international terrorist campaign aimed=20 at "regime change" had just brought the world close to=20 terminal nuclear war. Nevertheless, he instructed the=20 American Society of International Law, no =E2=80=9Clegal issue=E2=80=9D=20 arises in the case of a US response to a challenge to its=20 "power, position, and prestige," specifically terrorist=20 attacks and economic warfare against Cuba. I bring this up as a reminder that the issues are=20 deep-seated. The current administration is at the=20 extremist end of the policy-planning spectrum, and its=20 adventurism and penchant for violence are unusually=20 dangerous. But the spectrum is not that broad, and unless=20 these deeper issues are addressed, we can be confident that=20 other ultrareactionary extremists will gain control of=20 incredible means of devastation and repression. The "imperial ambition" of the current power holders,=20 as it is frankly called, has aroused shudders throughout the world, including the mainstream of the establishment at=20 home. Elsewhere, of course, the reactions are far more=20 fearful, particularly among the traditional victims. They=20 know too much history, the hard way, to be comforted by=20 exalted rhetoric. They have heard enough of that over the=20 centuries as they were being beaten by the club called=20 "civilization." Just a few days ago, the head of the=20 non-aligned movement, which includes the governments of most of the world's population, described the Bush=20 administration as more aggressive than Hitler. He happens=20 to be very pro-American, and right in the middle of=20 Washington's international economic projects. And there is=20 little doubt that he speaks for many of the traditional=20 victims, and by now even for many of their traditional=20 oppressors. It is easy to go on, and important to think these=20 matters through, with care and honesty. Even before the Bush administration sharply escalated=20 these fears in recent months, intelligence and=20 international affairs specialists were informing anyone who=20 wanted to listen that the policies Washington is pursuing=20 are likely to lead to an increase in terror and=20 proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, for revenge=20 or simply deterrence. There are two ways for Washington to=20 respond to the threats engendered by its actions and=20 startling proclamations. One way is to try to alleviate=20 the threats by paying some attention to legitimate=20 grievances, and by agreeing to become a civilized member of=20 a world community, with some respect for world order and=20 its institutions. The other way is to construct even more=20 awesome engines of destruction and domination, so that any=20 perceived challenge, however remote, can be crushed --=20 provoking new and greater challenges. That way poses=20 serious dangers to the people of the US and the world, and=20 may, very possibly, lead to extinction of the species --=20 not an idle speculation. Terminal nuclear war has been avoided by near miracle=20 in the past; a few months before Acheson's speech, to=20 mention one case that should be fresh in our minds today. =20 Threats are severe and mounting. The world has good reason=20 to watch what is happening in Washington with fear and=20 trepidation. The people who are best placed to relieve=20 those fears, and to lead the way to a more hopeful and=20 constructive future, are the citizens of the United States,=20 who can shape the future. Those are among the deep concerns that must, I think,=20 be kept clearly in mind while watching events unfold in=20 their unpredictable way as the most awesome military force=20 in human history is unleashed against a defenseless enemy=20 by a political leadership that has compiled a frightening=20 record of destruction and barbarism since it took the reins=20 of power over 20 years ago. --- End Forwarded Message --- :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:57:01 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 257 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM . :::: o o o o o 0 0 o O o o . ::::::::::::::::: o o o O 0 0 o 0 $$$$ 0 :::::::::::::::::: . o o o o 0 0 o 0 0 o O o o . :::::::::::::::::::::::::: o o o O 0 0 o 0 $$$$ 0 O O :::: . PEACE in black skies JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:18:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: NYC march MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My old friend Gene Frumkin in Albuquerque claims to have seen Lynda and me on TV this afternoon--in loin clothes, in Washington Square Park, so I figured I'd better nip this vile canard in the bud. We indeed were there, though our line of march (east on Bethune St. to Bleecker St., where we paused at Bleecker Park to gaze at the millions of kids swinging, climbing the jungle gyms, playing in the sandbox, etc., and continued on to the Biography Book Store at the corner of Bleecker and W. 11th Sts., where we scanned the sale books on the outside tables, after which we proceded on along Bleecker, across Seventh Ave.--yea, verily, even unto Carmine St., where we briefly detoured southward to the Unoppressive Books Store--one of our favorites, not only because they figure the sales tax into an even-dollar price so it almost seems like we're not paying any sales tax at all--and then, with a new Kathy Acker title in two, across Sixth Ave., along the dog-leg of Minetta St. and a short job to MacDougal St., where we turned left and walked the few remaining blocks--thick with marchers who had already finished their march and were dispersing outward from the square and into various and sundry of the Village's eating and watering spots--to the park itself) didn't take us down B'way from Herald Square or even farther uptown near Times Square if not above that. We'd seen that scene at home on TV (NY1 and FoxNews5 had great helicopter shots showing *masses* of people pouring down B'way from as far as the eye could see. So, sluggards that we are, we met the march in Washington Square Park (fully clothed, I might add, although the afternoon was balmy to the max, our first great Saturday of spring. This was . . . oh, around two o'clock-ish, maybe somewhat later. And the permit for the march was to expire at four. So we went past a few knots of NY's finest manning the barricades, steering vehicle traffic away from the park, or just hanging around keeping an eye on things. No horse, no riot gear-- not that we saw anyway. We crossed MacDougal and pressed into the crowds in the park--a huge mix of marchers and, I suppose, the usual first-Saturday-afternoon-of-spring folks, who, I imagine, had gotten there early enough to get dibs on all the benches. There were signs and slogans and weird get- ups galore, believe. Even the dogs (some of them) wore T- shirts with slogans on them. Near the outer ring around the park's central fountain (not fountaining) a guy near a table of leaflets and brochures was, through a bullhorn, waxing loquacious on some non-pacifistic program he was touting (he wasn't a loony, but I don't quite remember what his program was). Even nearer the outer ring around the desiccated fountain, a gang of marchers with musicians (mostly percussive) were beating their hands together and whipping themselves into a frenzy (as I thought, though it was a peaceable frenzy with something Dionysian about it, which made me think of spring rituals--the city is full of amorous pigeons nowadays--and, with the dark-blue- garbed minions of Gotham law clustered near the park, I couldn't help but think of Ginsberg's poem about that party at Ken Kesey's place in one of those canyons above LA as police sat outside in their cars with blue lights spinning, and about Hawthorne's maypolers, doing their spring thing as dour Puritans glared from the woods) as Lynda and I circled around to the right of them and sat down on the low concrete wall of that outer ring. Susan Sherman, one of Lynda's old friends, like her a teacher at the Lang College of the New School University, stopped, sat down and chatted with Lynda for a long time, as I got out a pen and started jotting down some of the best slogans I'd seen-- slogans like "Dissent Protects Democracy," and "Look, Daddy. I made a war," and "Fermez la Bush" (this last one of a number having a Fr*nch theme), and "Pro-American and Anti-war" (this one pretty close to something I'd used recently as an email sign-off), and "Iraq 2003, Poland 1939," (which depended, I thought, a bit too heavily on Americans' frail memory for past events), and "Lesbians Against Boys Invading Anything," (which struck me as a double-duty slogan that was both compact and funny), and (this one I didn't see but got from John Tytell who stopped briefly to greet us and reported it) "Think with your head, not with your Dick, Bush and Colin," and while jotting these down I noticed and pointed out to Lynda a camcorder dangling, dancing about, from a huge, red helium balloon, the line to which was caught in the branches of a tree. When we left the park, that camera was still up there, and marchers were still streaming into the park, many dispersing, some staying on, more still arriving. On Sixth Ave., police cars galore, paddy wagons (as they used to be called) galore. We walked up to Greenwich Ave. and headed west, stopping for a coffee at our local Starbucks (yes, just live with it, will ya?). And we got home about four and turned on the TV and heard that, although the permit had expired, marchers on B'way still extended all the way up to . . . well, I'm forgetting now . . . but Herald Square, I think. Maybe Times Square. I watched an hour program on NewsWorld during which Evan Solomon (a great interviewer, in my humble opinion) and a roundtable of American Muslims discussed the Koran, and then turned to NY1 where the first reports of fracassing in the park were just being aired--the maceing of police, etc. etc. Still a quarter million marchers this afternoon (NY1's numbers) and, last I heard, some forty-five arrests. Hal ¿Quien es más macho--Saddam Hussein o George W. Bush? Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:32:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Note to Gabe Gudding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to let you know, in case you're traveling this week, that Lynda and I are off to Chicagoland this morning. We'll be heading south on Washington St. to Spring St., east on Spring to Varick and south on Varick to the Holland Tunnel. In New Jersey, we'll be taking US 1/9 to Harrison Avenue and Harrison Avenue to I 280, which will carry us to I 80, which we'll take all the way to the environs of Frankfort, Illinois, where the kidz and grandkidz live. There'll be brief rest stops along the route, and, most likely, an overnight somewhere in the vicinity of Sandusky, Ohio. Come on, we're too old to do it all in one go anymore. Give us a break. Keep your eyes on the road. The return trip will be much the same, but in reverse, with an overnight in western Pennsylvania. That'll commence Friday morning. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:56:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Annie Finch Subject: Eliot Weinberger? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anyone have a current email address for Eliot Weinberger? Thanks--- Annie ___________________________________ Annie Finch http://www.users.muohio.edu/finchar Associate Professor, English Miami University, Oxford OH 45056 WORLD PREMIERE: "MARINA," OPERA BASED ON THE LIFE OF MARINA TSVETAEVA, MAY 1 IN NYC http://www.aopinc.org/ CALENDARS, ANNIE FINCH'S NEW BOOK OF POEMS, NOW AVAILABLE FROM TUPELO PRESS http://www.tupelopress.org/index.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 06:15:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Baghdad war diary In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii It's real. --- "Walter K. Lew" wrote: > I think this is real but not sure: > . ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:38:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: Is war always Wrong? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: I have not sounded off on the listserv on this but someone tell me if there is anytime when war is justified? I think that this adventure in Iraq is at best vulgar and at worst a horrible mistake but I am finding the poetry community's expressions that violence and war are always wrong simplistic. Should we not have attacked the Taliban? Should we not have fought the Germans in WWII? Violence is sometimes just and needed. Violence is a central part of being human and many advances could only have been achieved by violence- for example the end of slavery, end of the holocaust, labor rights and many others and I think that what we need to ask is when is war just? I look at all these protesters and I want to know where is the thoughtful questioning? Soujourners magazine has done some very good work on this but all I have seen from poets is "against' expressions but what are we for? I find this Iraq war totally unjustified but if we could find Bin Laden and his friends I think killing them would be justified. Someone also needs to tell me what is the answer to dealing with Bin Laden? Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Piombino" To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:38 AM Subject: On The Other Hand... > In light of an illegal attack upon a devastated country that has already > lost 750, 000 children due to an ongoing embargo and a previous merciless > attack upon this country in 1991 I would like to muse on my situation as an > artist who has other roles and responsibilities and concerns as well. > > War is not only obviously bad, but it is also banal. > > This is not a war, and it is possible to end the pointless slaughter. > > Artists can avoid responding to war, but there is little point in remaining > helpless, passive, and silent about these atrocities. > > Even better, It is possible to avoid introspection, but since there is > little point in trying to deny one's thoughts, it is best to try to reflect > on them as if to say "oh god, that's who we've really become by sticking our > heads in the sand." > > If you believe in art and in your personal art, you might try to inspire > others and reinterpret the facts and the actual situation to everyone who > has been misinformed and hypnotized by the omnipresent corporate owned, > manipulated media. > > War will horrify you and will deluge your reservoir of artistic source > material with images of misery, futility, hopelessness and pain before, > during and after the event. > > Get in touch with your feelings and share them with anyone who will listen; > as as result you will feel energized instead of depressed, bitter and > cynical. > > With immense sadness, and hope, > > Nick- "We must love one another or die"-Piombino > > - - - > > > In light of a stream of war related postings I would like to muse a moment > > on the current situation as an artist. > > > > War is obviously bad, but it is also interesting. > > > > War is ongoing, nothing is really about to start. > > > > Artists can obviously make a response to war, but there is little point in > > them ranting about how bad they think it all is. > > > > Even worse is to get all introspective, 'oh god, I am so impotent in the > > face of all this horribleness'. Yes we are, but so what, we always were. > > > > If you believe in art and in your art, you need to go on doing what you have > > always done and not become an activist just because there is this > > overwhelming media story about. > > > > War will provide you with a huge reservoir of material for your work if you > > want it. If nothing else, you can examine your own brain patterns before, > > during and after the event. > > > > Don't wear your heart on your sleeve. > > > > Cheers, > > Ivan 'Only exist' Pope > > > > + + + ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:15:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Is war always Wrong? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > All: > > I have not sounded off on the listserv on this but someone tell me if there > is anytime when war is justified? I think that this adventure in Iraq is at > best vulgar and at worst a horrible mistake but I am finding the poetry > community's expressions that violence and war are always wrong simplistic. > Should we not have attacked the Taliban? Should we not have fought the > Germans in WWII? > Violence is sometimes just and needed. WWII was a legal war. Germany declared war on us, then Congress made a formal, constitutional, declaration of war. Since then wars have been "police actions," in which this country wasn't in peril, its ideology was. The invasion of Afghanistan was not constitutional but a vigilante action, invading a country, whose repressive government we helped to create (in a long line of repressive governments we helped to create), and to whom we were sending money until 9/11. We were after one man, at least that was the excuse. It could have been done other ways. It is not that it's bad that the Talidan is gone, for the moment at least, but that this was the prelude to the invasion of Iraq, another illlegal vigilante action with the excuse of taking down one man. This is frontier justice, and George W. Bush is the hanging judge. Problem is, the Old West is gone, only these guys don't know it. > Violence is a central part of being human and many advances could only have > been achieved by violence- for example the end of slavery, end of the > holocaust, labor rights and many others and I think that what we need to ask > is when is war just? I look at all these protesters and I want to know > where is the thoughtful questioning? Soujourners magazine has done some very > good work on this but all I have seen from poets is "against' expressions > but what are we for? I find this Iraq war totally unjustified but if we > could find Bin Laden and his friends I think killing them would be > justified. Someone also needs to tell me what is the answer to dealing with > Bin Laden? Bringing someone to justice is noble, something I, and I think most people, support. But murder is murder, whether a state does it, or a person, whether this country, Israel, or the Mafia puts out a contract on someone's life. It is not strange that since the Reagan Administration, many of those players are in the current administration, we have rejected and ignored the World Court, have put ourselves above international law, as our power has outgrow our maturity. As for violence, this is an interesting subject that begins, really, in the individual amygdala. We can even say that wars are an expression of the collective amygdala. I think that there is a time to fight, when you are in peril, and what probably bothers protestors most is what Senator Byrd said, that this is a war of choice, not necessity. When a society reaches this point, when it tries to solve its internal problems with external wars, something has gone very very wrong. -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:34:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Pentagon: Fewer than 10 U.S. troops unaccounted In-Reply-To: <005701c2f157$7cdcf760$effdfc83@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pentagon: Fewer than 10 U.S. troops unaccounted 20 legs, 20 eyes, 20 hands, 40 fingers, unaccounted for 10 fathers and/or brothers and or sisters and/ or unaccounted for 1, 000, 000, 000 words never to be heard unaccounted for numerous smiles and tears unaccounted for blood and flesh unaccounted for ten empty seats accounted for ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:17:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daisy Fried Subject: Re: iraqi civilian body count Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets@english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The daily news sources I get most of my info from aren't reporting Iraqi civilian casualties. Here's a website, which I found through a guardian.co.uk link, which is attempting to estimate minimum and maximum numbers of Iraqi dead using a variety of mainstream international outlets: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/bodycount.htm. The current minimum and maximum count of those killed by U.S./British attacks are 68 and 98. Daisy Fried ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:03:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: American demonstrators! (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII American demonstrators! -- You're not demonstrating for yourself - you're demonstrating to provoke positive change. You want to change the way things are. You have goals you want met. You're willing to act to meet those goals. -- March in an orderly fashion. Indicate you're a soldier for peace. Rioting releases energy, but does not advance the cause. -- Dress somberly, even in black. Don't turn the march into a circus. You don't want to be dismissed as crazy. Indicate you're part of a massive upwelling of public opinion. Show you're part of the public. Indicate you'd put your life on the line for the cause of peace. Show you're as serious and brave as a soldier in war. -- Carry out symbolic actions such as flag and effigy burning. Do these with the sacredness of serious metaphor. Remember your symbolic targets at all times. -- Forget clever signs and costumes. They entertain but distract. Silence itself can be a weapon. A straightforward sign gets a message across. You must unnerve the enemy. -- Realize that the world outside the US is watching. You must indicate the resistance from within, as strongly as possible. You must make the leaders of the US realize you are part of a force that must be contended with. -- Be careful in your support of violence, but never assume that Gandhi's era is our own. -- Know your enemy. Become knowledgable. Read as much as you can on the current crisis and its roots. Read the texts of your enemy as well. -- Do not assume that any large gathering of people makes a difference unless it makes a difference. -- Choose your targets carefully. A demonstration for or against numerous causes may well be weakened by an accumulation of messages that may even be contradictory. Remove auxiliary issues or religious and other rhetoric. Focus. -- Prepare for the long haul. Speak loud but clearly. Let there be no mistake. -- Leave your armchair for the production of resistance. Involve others. Spread the word. Contact others. -- Never give up. Never give in to false pessimism or optimism. Remain a realist at all times. -- Provoke. Helmut Paul, C.A.R., Anway ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:48:50 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anne Boyer Subject: ticker typ-os Has anyone else who has been watching the *warnography* on the 24 hour news networks noticed the constant typing errors in the tickers and captions? Is there dissent in the fingertips? Is the grammar of war by its very nature sloppy and inverted, or the media just so juiced and breathless that "official" language has been transformed? I don't want to take over a tv station, just the keyboard that types the captions. -- Regards, Anne Boyer Des Moines, Iowa * only the hand that erases can write the true thing * ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:02:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: ticker typ-os In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anne, maybe another way of looking at it is when the machine starts to break, so does the need for perfect grammar.. what is the difference between proper grammargodandcountry... none... it is all oppressive and based on an oppressive order................ kari edwards 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco, CA, 94110 415-647-6981 terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life of p. From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com ________________________________ Also check out: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/edwards.shtml http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/issueseven.html http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.html http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://canwehaveourballback.com/12index.htm http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm http://poetz.com/fir/feb02.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Anne Boyer wrote: > Has anyone else who has been watching the *warnography* on the 24 hour > news > networks noticed the constant typing errors in the tickers and > captions? > > Is there dissent in the fingertips? Is the grammar of war by its very > nature > sloppy and inverted, or the media just so juiced and breathless > that "official" language has been transformed? > > I don't want to take over a tv station, just the keyboard that types > the > captions. > > > -- > Regards, > > Anne Boyer > Des Moines, Iowa > > * only the hand that erases can > write the true thing * > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:17:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jessica beard Subject: Re: Baghdad war diary In-Reply-To: <20030323141552.25447.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii this one is real, too www.inlet.org/wade/ --- Kazim Ali wrote: > It's real. > > --- "Walter K. Lew" wrote: > > I think this is real but not sure: > > . > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:50:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: body count... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit prob. the most offensive posts on this.. for me..is the relish that certain members take in reporting civilian deaths in Iraq..seemingl wishing it were only higher...in Bklyn over the last 2 weeks a lone African-American has murdered 4 muslims and a few other shop keepers...extropolate that... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:17:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030322160903.01fbf718@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army constituted a potential threat to democratic process... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:18:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: is war always wrong MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain One central aspect about war per violence is how much it depends on the individual "amygdala" assimilating the "collective" or larger amygdala as ideology, as you say. There is a disconnect there between individual and collective that the personal, individualized, combatant must be trained to ignore or there cannot be any such violence called war. Such violence depends on the fine tuning or disciplining of an impersonal response from the otherwise personal/person. And yes, poets can't easily address this as a rhetorical form, it seems to me, because poetry often tries to be a form that asks for some kind of rhetorical strategy and commitment that lives and speaks *consciously in (at least) both these worlds*--the subjective and the collective. Interesting, then, to see how we all (as poets) respond--that is, in what ways does the poetry tell something about what the heck a poet is for? Because beyond that, what can poetry really do? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:32:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yup, and so seen even by the founding fathers, who were adamantly against standing armies. So for most of our histories we had tiny professional armies that could function as the core of larger groups gathered (until the civil war always by enlistment) in the event of conflict. Hence the constitution's interest in the maintenance of an armed citizenry. In the current world that won't work--things happen too quickly, and the arms are too complex and too deadly--we can't gather and train masses of enlistees or draftees fast enough to respond--so more forces at the ready are needed even if the US never fights another war of aggression (yeah, right). But my own sense is that a universal draft, say for a year as the French do it, could be a great force for change. If the kids were detached from their home environments and thrust among the full diversity of their age group under military discipline (to keep them from killing each other) a lot of the divisions that plague us would begin to disappear. Military discipline, but not necessarily military assignment--there's plenty for a modern CCC to do, here and abroad. And for those who need it there could be a gun-to-the-head (hey, it's a metaphor) last shot at literacy training, with none of the distractions of civilian life. I raised this on the list a couple of years ago to a chorus of howls from folks who I'm afraid had a hard time dealing with the thought of not being in school for one year of their lives. Mark At 01:17 PM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a >professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with >poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the >argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was >preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army >constituted a potential threat to democratic process... > >best, > >joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:19:38 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Michael Moore: Letter to G.Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Go to the website or read text below. http://www.michaelmoore.com/ Monday, March 17, 2003 A Letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush on the Eve of War George W. Bush 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Washington, DC Dear Governor Bush: So today is what you call "the moment of truth," the day that "France and the rest of world have to show their cards on the table." I'm glad to hear that this day has finally arrived. Because, I gotta tell ya, having survived 440 days of your lying and conniving, I wasn't sure if I could take much more. So I'm glad to hear that today is Truth Day, 'cause I got a few truths I would like to share with you: 1. There is virtually NO ONE in America (talk radio nutters and Fox News aside) who is gung-ho to go to war. Trust me on this one. Walk out of the White House and on to any street in America and try to find five people who are PASSIONATE about wanting to kill Iraqis. YOU WON'T FIND THEM! Why? 'Cause NO Iraqis have ever come here and killed any of us! No Iraqi has even threatened to do that. You see, this is how we average Americans think: If a certain so-and-so is not perceived as a threat to our lives, then, believe it or not, we don't want to kill him! Funny how that works! 2. The majority of Americans -- the ones who never elected you -- are not fooled by your weapons of mass distraction. We know what the real issues are that affect our daily lives -- and none of them begin with I or end in Q. Here's what threatens us: two and a half million jobs lost since you took office, the stock market having become a cruel joke, no one knowing if their retirement funds are going to be there, gas now costs almost two dollars -- the list goes on and on. Bombing Iraq will not make any of this go away. Only you need to go away for things to improve. 3. As Bill Maher said last week, how bad do you have to suck to lose a popularity contest with Saddam Hussein? The whole world is against you, Mr. Bush. Count your fellow Americans among them. 4. The Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a SIN. The Pope! But even worse, the Dixie Chicks have now come out against you! How bad does it have to get before you realize that you are an army of one on this war? Of course, this is a war you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went AWOL while the poor were shipped to Vietnam in your place. 5. Of the 535 members of Congress, only ONE (Sen. Johnson of South Dakota) has an enlisted son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, please send your twin daughters over to Kuwait right now and let them don their chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids for this war effort. What's that you say? You don't THINK so? Well, hey, guess what -- we don't think so either! 6. Finally, we love France. Yes, they have pulled some royal screw-ups. Yes, some of them can be pretty damn annoying. But have you forgotten we wouldn't even have this country known as America if it weren't for the French? That it was their help in the Revolutionary War that won it for us? That our greatest thinkers and founding fathers -- Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, etc. -- spent many years in Paris where they refined the concepts that lead to our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution? That it was France who gave us our Statue of Liberty, a Frenchman who built the Chevrolet, and a pair of French brothers who invented the movies? And now they are doing what only a good friend can do -- tell you the truth about yourself, straight, no b.s. Quit pissing on the French and thank them for getting it right for once. You know, you really should have traveled more (like once) before you took over. Your ignorance of the world has not only made you look stupid, it has painted you into a corner you can't get out of. Well, cheer up -- there IS good news. If you do go through with this war, more than likely it will be over soon because I'm guessing there aren't a lot of Iraqis willing to lay down their lives to protect Saddam Hussein. After you "win" the war, you will enjoy a huge bump in the popularity polls as everyone loves a winner -- and who doesn't like to see a good ass-whoopin' every now and then (especially when it 's some third world ass!). So try your best to ride this victory all the way to next year's election. Of course, that's still a long ways away, so we'll all get to have a good hardy-har-har while we watch the economy sink even further down the toilet! But, hey, who knows -- maybe you'll find Osama a few days before the election! See, start thinking like THAT! Keep hope alive! Kill Iraqis -- they got our oil!! Yours, Michael Moore --- You are currently subscribed to imitationpoetics as: patrick@proximate.org List Info: http://listserv.unc.edu/cgi-bin/lyris.pl?enter=ImitationPoetics ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:24:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Name Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed much of this is the name. an effect of filigree overlooked. checked still was the place designed. center with this fiction. and who cost us the theme? "Let’s monologue!" "Is this democratic enough?" Possession is 9/10th of Precision. narrativity is colorless and odorless. the wonders seen almost second-hand. the sequence knew when to switch off... _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 14:52:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: is war always wrong/language MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Murray" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 12:18 PM Subject: is war always wrong > One central aspect about war per violence is how much it depends on the > individual "amygdala" assimilating the "collective" or larger amygdala as > ideology, as you say. There is a disconnect there between individual and > collective that the personal, individualized, combatant must be trained to > ignore or there cannot be any such violence called war. Such violence > depends on the fine tuning or disciplining of an impersonal response from > the otherwise personal/person. > > And yes, poets can't easily address this as a rhetorical form, it seems to > me, because poetry often tries to be a form that asks for some kind of > rhetorical strategy and commitment that lives and speaks *consciously in (at > least) both these worlds*--the subjective and the collective. > > Interesting, then, to see how we all (as poets) respond--that is, in what > ways does the poetry tell something about what the heck a poet is for? > Because beyond that, what can poetry really do? Christine: I agree with you about the individual amygdala assimilating the collective amygdala, an interesting twist on Jungian neuropsychology. What is a poet for? So many things: artist, healer, entertainer, visionary, intellectual... What can poetry do? It's all language the government puts out, some of it actually interesting, even brilliant, like "coalition of the willing." The right-wing is not made up of stupid people, only people trapped in their little egos, afraid to come out and play in the world except with they feel secure, playing by their own rules. They know that whoever controls the language and its means of distribution controls how most people see the world. What seems to be happening now with the peace demonstrations is a move toward getting into the discussion again, something the left lost after Vietnam. Those slogans waved in the peace marches are a beginning. It's back to simple language. My question to this list is: Language Poetry was founded on a platform of progressive politics. How can it contribute to, does it have anything to contribute to, the political dialogue now? Or is it just sophisticated word-play? Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:22:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Rathmann Subject: Re: is war always wrong/language In-Reply-To: <003001c2f18e$f2f09ba0$c0fdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" After Blenheim It was a summer evening, Old Kaspar's work was done, And he before his cottage door Was sitting in the sun; And by him sported on the green 5 His little grandchild Wilhelmine. She saw her brother Peterkin Roll something large and round, Which he beside the rivulet In playing there had found: 10 He came to ask what he had found That was so large and smooth and round. Old Kaspar took it from the boy, Who stood expectant by; And then the old man shook his head, 15 And with a natural sigh-- "'Tis some poor fellow's skull," said he, "Who fell in the great victory. "I find them in the garden, For there's many here about; 20 And often when I go to plough The ploughshare turns them out. For many thousand men," said he, "Were slain in that great victory." "Now tell us what 'twas all about," 25 Young Peterkin he cries; And little Wilhelmine looks up With wonder-waiting eyes; "Now tell us all about the war, And what they fought each other for." 30 "It was the English," Kaspar cried, "Who put the French to rout; But what they fought each other for I could not well make out. But everybody said," quoth he, 35 "That 'twas a famous victory. "My father lived at Blenheim then, Yon little stream hard by; They burnt his dwelling to the ground, And he was forced to fly: 40 So with his wife and child he fled, Nor had he where to rest his head. "With fire and sword the country round Was wasted far and wide, And many a childing mother then 45 And newborn baby died: But things like that, you know, must be At every famous victory. "They say it was a shocking sight After the field was won, 50 For many thousand bodies here Lay rotting in the sun; But things like that, you know, must be After a famous victory. "Great praise the Duke of Marlbro' won, 55 And our good Prince Eugene"-- "Why 'twas a very wicked thing!" Said little Welhelmine; "Nay-nay, my little girl," quoth he, "It was a famous victory. 60 "And everybody praised the Duke Who this great fight did win"-- "But what good came of it at last?" Quoth little Peterkin. "Why that I cannot tell," said he, 65 "But 'twas a famous victory." --Robert Southey ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 15:52:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030323121942.0202ffc8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I prefer a concept of world and/or national service rather than one that gives the young the military as the only option or "world view." The way this Administration is out to bankrupt every government agency of well being (education, medical, environmental, etc.) is criminal. Once the Bush group is gone (now that's a faith-based assumption!) social system-paralysis will be epidemic with the exception of funding for the military. I think it's going to take both national and world service by the young - diverse in all kinds of ways - to supplement depleted systems. I think such work and experience is real healthy - whether through NGO's or Gov.org. As much as I had real issues with U.S. Peace Corps operations, two years in Nigeria in the Peace Corps definitely "ventilated" my envelope, as well as informed many of my decisions as a teacher, publisher and writer. Without a renewed sense public service, we will other look for this gov to continue to starve secular resources while providing support to the mission of "faith based" orgs to implant global-national-local safety nets - complete with cadres of 19- 26 year olds as religio-centric missionaries. Stephen V on 3/23/03 12:32 PM, Mark Weiss at junction@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Yup, and so seen even by the founding fathers, who were adamantly against > standing armies. So for most of our histories we had tiny professional > armies that could function as the core of larger groups gathered (until the > civil war always by enlistment) in the event of conflict. Hence the > constitution's interest in the maintenance of an armed citizenry. In the > current world that won't work--things happen too quickly, and the arms are > too complex and too deadly--we can't gather and train masses of enlistees > or draftees fast enough to respond--so more forces at the ready are needed > even if the US never fights another war of aggression (yeah, right). > > But my own sense is that a universal draft, say for a year as the French do > it, could be a great force for change. If the kids were detached from their > home environments and thrust among the full diversity of their age group > under military discipline (to keep them from killing each other) a lot of > the divisions that plague us would begin to disappear. Military > discipline, but not necessarily military assignment--there's plenty for a > modern CCC to do, here and abroad. And for those who need it there could be > a gun-to-the-head (hey, it's a metaphor) last shot at literacy training, > with none of the distractions of civilian life. > > I raised this on the list a couple of years ago to a chorus of howls from > folks who I'm afraid had a hard time dealing with the thought of not being > in school for one year of their lives. > > Mark > > At 01:17 PM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: >> mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a >> professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with >> poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the >> argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was >> preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army >> constituted a potential threat to democratic process... >> >> best, >> >> joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:33:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: 323 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Embedded media Terminalized Frag news crawls along at camel's pace under the TV picture of.... Akhbar TV has Crawling once more under the screen Along the banks of the Tibris Clouds billow over Baghdad Phones on the cutting edge disconnect Regarding the Pain of Others Nearby plaque commemorating Grant- Land Rice's birthplace, Condoleesa Rice lays out options, shopkeep, Kurd out of Jerusalem, carefully handles Camels out of Winston-Salem out of baccy from nearby fields as encroaching Vietnam vet fondles neck of Bud Light shimmers through on shockandawe headline. Camera shifts to SUV mall miles off. Sex y ad sublimes isms MONSTER.COM AMAZON ATLAS shrugged. "in Bklyn over the last 2 weeks a lone African-American has murdered 4 Muslims and a few other shop keepers...extropolate that..." The show will go on tonight tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 16:09:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Of course. I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear--in my fantasy only a small number would serve their draft in the military per se. Mark At 03:52 PM 3/23/2003 -0800, you wrote: >I prefer a concept of world and/or national service rather than one that >gives the young the military as the only option or "world view." The way >this Administration is out to bankrupt every government agency of well being >(education, medical, environmental, etc.) is criminal. Once the Bush group >is gone (now that's a faith-based assumption!) social system-paralysis will >be epidemic with the exception of funding for the military. I think it's >going to take both national and world service by the young - diverse in all >kinds of ways - to supplement depleted systems. I think such work and >experience is real healthy - whether through NGO's or Gov.org. As much as I >had real issues with U.S. Peace Corps operations, two years in Nigeria in >the Peace Corps definitely "ventilated" my envelope, as well as informed >many of my decisions as a teacher, publisher and writer. > >Without a renewed sense public service, we will other look for this gov to >continue to starve secular resources while providing support to the mission >of "faith based" orgs to implant global-national-local safety nets - >complete with cadres of 19- 26 year olds as religio-centric missionaries. > >Stephen V > > >on 3/23/03 12:32 PM, Mark Weiss at junction@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > > > Yup, and so seen even by the founding fathers, who were adamantly against > > standing armies. So for most of our histories we had tiny professional > > armies that could function as the core of larger groups gathered (until the > > civil war always by enlistment) in the event of conflict. Hence the > > constitution's interest in the maintenance of an armed citizenry. In the > > current world that won't work--things happen too quickly, and the arms are > > too complex and too deadly--we can't gather and train masses of enlistees > > or draftees fast enough to respond--so more forces at the ready are needed > > even if the US never fights another war of aggression (yeah, right). > > > > But my own sense is that a universal draft, say for a year as the French do > > it, could be a great force for change. If the kids were detached from their > > home environments and thrust among the full diversity of their age group > > under military discipline (to keep them from killing each other) a lot of > > the divisions that plague us would begin to disappear. Military > > discipline, but not necessarily military assignment--there's plenty for a > > modern CCC to do, here and abroad. And for those who need it there could be > > a gun-to-the-head (hey, it's a metaphor) last shot at literacy training, > > with none of the distractions of civilian life. > > > > I raised this on the list a couple of years ago to a chorus of howls from > > folks who I'm afraid had a hard time dealing with the thought of not being > > in school for one year of their lives. > > > > Mark > > > > At 01:17 PM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: > >> mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a > >> professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with > >> poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the > >> argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was > >> preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army > >> constituted a potential threat to democratic process... > >> > >> best, > >> > >> joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:13:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: Re: Is war always Wrong? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought that I would throw out idea of violence and war this list serve because not everyone who is thoughtful agrees with the idea that war is always wrong or that these wars are wrong. Regarding some of the posts about stealing oil and oppression in the middle east it seems to me that we ought to ask about our Saudi Friends and we also ought to ask if our support for Israel and its horrible treatment of Palestinians has caused allot of this? But again other than writing poems and marching how do we address these issues? The fact is this Islamic Fundamentialists hate what we are doing here and Economics is not the cause of everything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Is war always Wrong? > > All: > > > > I have not sounded off on the listserv on this but someone tell me if > there > > is anytime when war is justified? I think that this adventure in Iraq is > at > > best vulgar and at worst a horrible mistake but I am finding the poetry > > community's expressions that violence and war are always wrong simplistic. > > Should we not have attacked the Taliban? Should we not have fought the > > Germans in WWII? > > Violence is sometimes just and needed. > > WWII was a legal war. Germany declared war on us, then Congress made a > formal, constitutional, declaration of war. Since then wars have been > "police actions," in which this country wasn't in peril, its ideology was. > The invasion of Afghanistan was not constitutional but a vigilante action, > invading a country, whose repressive government we helped to create (in a > long line of repressive governments we helped to create), and to whom we > were sending money until 9/11. We were after one man, at least that was the > excuse. It could have been done other ways. It is not that it's bad that the > Talidan is gone, for the moment at least, but that this was the prelude to > the invasion of Iraq, another illlegal vigilante action with the excuse of > taking down one man. This is frontier justice, and George W. Bush is the > hanging judge. Problem is, the Old West is gone, only these guys don't know > it. > > > > Violence is a central part of being human and many advances could only > have > > been achieved by violence- for example the end of slavery, end of the > > holocaust, labor rights and many others and I think that what we need to > ask > > is when is war just? I look at all these protesters and I want to know > > where is the thoughtful questioning? Soujourners magazine has done some > very > > good work on this but all I have seen from poets is "against' expressions > > but what are we for? I find this Iraq war totally unjustified but if we > > could find Bin Laden and his friends I think killing them would be > > justified. Someone also needs to tell me what is the answer to dealing > with > > Bin Laden? > > Bringing someone to justice is noble, something I, and I think most people, > support. But murder is murder, whether a state does it, or a person, whether > this country, Israel, or the Mafia puts out a contract on someone's life. It > is not strange that since the Reagan Administration, many of those players > are in the current administration, we have rejected and ignored the World > Court, have put ourselves above international law, as our power has outgrow > our maturity. > As for violence, this is an interesting subject that begins, really, in the > individual amygdala. We can even say that wars are an expression of the > collective amygdala. I think that there is a time to fight, when you are in > peril, and what probably bothers protestors most is what Senator Byrd said, > that this is a war of choice, not necessity. When a society reaches this > point, when it tries to solve its internal problems with external wars, > something has gone very very wrong. > > -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:12:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: A Birthday in Baghdad: "What a day to be thirteen" Comments: cc: dreamtime@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030323121942.0202ffc8@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Birthday in Baghdad: "What a day to be thirteen" http://electronicIraq.net/news/377.shtml ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:24:45 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: AMERICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE KICKS INTO HIGH GEAR: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: AMERICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE KICKS INTO HIGH GEAR: They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:42:18 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Enheduanna In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sitting in their holy place tremble, stricken their flesh prickles all over a red-hot terror paralyzes our whole country My lord, that which has been created (here) no one has created (before). Without you no destiny at all is determined, no clever counsel is=20 granted favor. To run, to escape, to quiet and to pacify are yours, Inanna. =A0 listen! I the Lady came near and the mountain did not fear Enheduanna 2300 BCE Sumer http://home.infi.net/~ddisse/enheduan.html= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:52:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: brand boycott In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >I was one of two people in the whole joint. I asked one of the employees why >so slow, and she just shrugged and said "boycott." I had heard of no boycott >and inquired further. Apparently there is a de facto boycott going on around >Dallas of any business that sounds remotely French. The most amazing part of >all this is that there was no need to publicize or promote this boycott; all >the French-haters just knew to steer elsewhere. Is this happening in Ft. >Worth, too, Herb? > >I'm off to La Madeleine, >Brian I have been going out of my way to buy French stuff. Though I am still pissed off at them for beating the brits in the 1770's and then handing their winnings to the Yanks. -- George Bowering Can remember Rosalind Russell Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:13:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests Comments: cc: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests (Gothic News Service, 03/23) Green Circle, Wyoming =AD about 20 miles distant from the State Capital of Cheyenne =AD is actively promoting a weekly and locally popular series of protests against the continued war in Iraq, as well as other such possible wars. Green Circle =AD for those unfamiliar with this wonderful ski, fishing and hunting resort =AD is located about twenty miles away from Jackson Hole, a competing tourist dependent town that also includes many second homes owned by prominent members of the Bush Administration. Both towns, however, share a common problem. Ever since 9-11, tourism is way down and their economies are in the dumps. "Add to the fear of an Al Qaeda attack on Jackson Hole=B9s community members," Green Circle Mayor Jim Robbins says, "Visitors coming in on a plane will arrive at what some say will soon be called the Dick and Lynne Cheney Airport and proceed by car on Highway "43", as in short for Presiden= t George Bush, Junior." Green Circle apparently had to come out and say "No" in a big time way. Up on the cliff-side of the Mountain over-looking the town=B9s entrance, an "Out of Iraq" sign is imprinted in iridescent lavender chalk that even shines in the dark. Inside town, street signage is radically altered. General Patton Drive =AD which leads to the outskirts location of the three acre Wal-Mart Store =AD is now called "End the Conquest Boulevard." The stree= t that circles the City Hall building and dome is called "Negotiation Drive." A City run Peace Center is located on "Diplomacy Works Avenue, " an artery that is limited to bicycles, solar and electronic vehicles. The "Alice Waters" pedestrian bridge crosses over the Snake River to "Green Circle Community Gardens." By now you are probably getting the picture. "This City decided that to protest war in Iraq =AD and to protest every other pre-emptive war this Administration has up its sleeves =AD is the primary way we as a community will start to neutralize the dark sides of both Al Qaeda and the Bush people." "How does that advantage Green Circle?" "By taking ourselves out of that dialogue, we not only further the cause of Peace, but we also make community attractive and safe to visit. Do you think Al Qaeda wants to terrorize a community of anti-war activists? I bet if you talk to the Mayor of San Francisco today =AD he might not say it publicly =AD but those City businesses already see the benefits of Anti-War Protests. Of any American City, this summer San Francisco will be the destination of tourists from countries around the world, particularly thos= e who want a non-terrorist experience. Watch that City=B9s dead economy revive." "The only problem that remains for Green Circle is that visitors may still have to arrive here by way of a Cheney Airport, a Bush Presidential Drive and Jackson Hole. We=B9re actually planning alternative routes." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 21:23:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: is war always wrong? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Earth Poem A dull evening in a run down village Eyes half asleep I recall thirty years And five wars I swear the future keeps My ear of corn And the singer croons About a fire and some strangers And the evening is just another evening And the singer croons And they asked him: Why do you sing? And he answered: I sing because I sing And they searched his chest But could only find his heart And they searched his heart But could only find his people And they searched his voice But could only find his grief And they searched his grief But could only find his prison And they searched his prison But could only find themselves in chains --Mahmoud Darwish trans. Abdullah Al-Udhari ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:26:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: More questions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >2, does anyone know the origins of the term the "go to guy"? Does it >come from sports or the military or what? Please point me in the >right direction. I have known that only in sports, mainly basketball. -- George Bowering Can remember Rosalind Russell Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:20:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Williams on Niedecker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are many references to William Carlos Williams pronouncing Lorine Niedecker the Emily Dickinson of the 20th century. Once queried by a friend, Gail Roub, she herself said, "William Carlos Williams said I am the Emily Dickinson of my time." Does anyone know the precise source from which this pronouncement comes? Does Williams say this directly in his writings? Was it passed along to Niedecker via Zukofsky? Any help would be much appreciated. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 00:33:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Williams on Niedecker MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Gloria, Someone else may have something more specific than the following bit of clues, but look into Marjorie Perloff's "Canon and Loaded Gun" from Poetic License, which quotes Gilbert Sorrentino as saying that Niedecker wrote "remarkable poetry, as in Catullus and Emily Dickinson." Also in the same Perloff essay and notes, not only do the Zukofsky letters connect/conflate LN with ED, but the Cid Corman correspondence does, too. Perloff suggests the Jenny Penberthy edition of the Zukofsky, and the Lisa Pater Faranda on Corman. Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:59:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Avoid Strange Men Issue III is Out!!! In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Avoid Strange Men Issue III is Out!!!=A0 This issue contains dialogues=20= with writers about their pieces, results from the short poem contest,=20 Good Reads by captain and much much more.......... =A0 This is an amazing issue with words from: m. jezewska kris briggs chloe brushwood rose michael v. smith akilah oliver kari edwards courtney sinclair vilayvanh elen gebreab christoper shoust robert wier jimi h, dawn quon adam rall michael boettcher gordon defrane chris fletcher taver rice chelsea courtney sinclair =A0 This issue is available at The Bleeding Rose and by snail mail by=20 contacting queerwordsproject@hotmail.com =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 01:40:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dilek Kececi Subject: peacekeeper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Peacekeeper* I wandered lonely as a missile That floats on high o’er vales and hills When all at once I saw a crowd A host of crimson reeds Across the desert, in the marshes Fluttering and breaking in the breeze Cold as the stars that shine And twinkle on the muddy way They stretched in never ending line Along the margin of life Ten thousand saw I at a glance Tossing their heads in deadly dance The cameras beside them danced, and they Out-did the sparkling bombs in glee A missile could not be but gay In such a jocund company I gazed and gazed but little thought What wealth the show to me had brought For oft when in my shell I lie In explosive or in hollow mood They flash upon that inward eye Which is the mirror of night sky And then my heart with remorse fills And bleeds with the crimson reeds *”Peacekeeper” is the actual name given to a type of intercontinental cruise missile (with a conscience) capable of carrying atomic warheads __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:31:13 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: The War MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a mention here but I understand that bombing targets from 'our' forces have included, of all places, Nineveh and Babylon. Gawd help us. I'm just going off to hit myself on the head with the Book of Revelations! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:20:14 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: approval rating Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The French ended conscription a while ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1414033.stm. Most of Europe (the most right-wing part I think it might be fair to say) seems to be following suit. "Bring back conscription" was a common complaint of my father's generation when he was disgusted at the behaviour of the young - and he was conscripted for 2 years in the Royal Army Medical Corps. As to the efficacy of your proposed plan, the experience of the UK postwar conscription might be instructive. Listening to a radio 4 documentary on this subject, it appeared that conscription *replicated" and *enhanced* society's divisions - e.g. any bootneck that showed any sign of an education or an accent was, apparently, booted upstairs pronto. IMO, the armed forces (particularly in the UK; others may want to comment on the US), *reflect* the divisions of society rather than some some unclass system. If you want social engineering, then the whole structure has to be changed. Roger. At 23/03/03 20:32:46, Mark Weiss wrote: # Yup, and so seen even by the founding fathers, who were adamantly against # standing armies. So for most of our histories we had tiny professional # armies that could function as the core of larger groups gathered (until the # civil war always by enlistment) in the event of conflict. Hence the # constitution's interest in the maintenance of an armed citizenry. In the # current world that won't work--things happen too quickly, and the arms are # too complex and too deadly--we can't gather and train masses of enlistees # or draftees fast enough to respond--so more forces at the ready are needed # even if the US never fights another war of aggression (yeah, right). # # But my own sense is that a universal draft, say for a year as the French do # it, could be a great force for change. If the kids were detached from their # home environments and thrust among the full diversity of their age group # under military discipline (to keep them from killing each other) a lot of # the divisions that plague us would begin to disappear. Military # discipline, but not necessarily military assignment--there's plenty for a # modern CCC to do, here and abroad. And for those who need it there could be # a gun-to-the-head (hey, it's a metaphor) last shot at literacy training, # with none of the distractions of civilian life. # # I raised this on the list a couple of years ago to a chorus of howls from # folks who I'm afraid had a hard time dealing with the thought of not being # in school for one year of their lives. # # Mark # # At 01:17 PM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: # >mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a # >professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with # >poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the # >argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was # >preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army # >constituted a potential threat to democratic process... # > # >best, # > # >joe # ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:44:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Oppose! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oppose! Hurrah for our overseas Troops! Bring our boys and girls back alive! Hurrah! Hurrah! The long and winding road is difficult! We shall prevail! The oaks of Baghdad shall bend to the Victors! Arduous is the task! Difficult the terrain! Violent the opposing Republican Guard! Courageous the Marines! Thousands cheer! A New York March of One Thousand! The Sixth Fleet! The Seventh! War is war! Support our Troops! Peace is a State of Mind! War is an Event! The American Military is Angered! The American Soldier is Angered! Valiant Conquest! Contain the Hydra! --of course this is mine; i'm so embarrassed. how can anyone control or strategize demonstrations. in a democracy we are free to express ourselves. i don't know where harbor is or what r.a.c. is for that matter. i'm always afraid to express myself. my rage comes out in other ways. this is one of them. one dreams of attack/pursuit against the right. one dreams of putting them out of our misery. but it's dreamwork and that's all. no good comes of it. --in life i'm a coward. i live in the dreamwork. i'm afraid of jail, arrest, gestapo. i don't know how to play the system. i'm afraid of dying constantly. i want to help but i can't even help myself. i publish under a pseudonym. there is no helmut paul. at least there is no helmut paul that sent me this. but helmut paul sounds properly other - at the same time within the aegis of europe - therefore neither one nor the properly other. --i believe rallies do little good. they show the rest of the world that there is patriotism in the u.s. but - at least under the present regime - it results in little practical results. we change nothing. we insist on our communality. we march and discuss. the war will continue as base and superstructure smash intermediary cultural play. --then again this is a selfish belief, perhaps an excuse for not doing more, not acting on my convictions. clearly ultra-violence will change things, most likely for the worse. in any case, i'm not capable of that. i understand the fury of those who are arrested. at least they carry out their frustrations against authority, however misplaced. i'm not even capable of that. if someone told me two plus two don't equal four, i'd believe it. i'm ready to fall for anything. --i'm a sick man... something is wrong with my mind. i can't carry on and can't expect anyone else to. i'm horrified by the progress of the war. what if it were me firing or being fired upon. how can anyone live with those images sent daily across the internet - those reports, interviews, analyses, diatribes. yet i continue on as if i'm capable of a writing that makes a difference beyond my limits. i don't carry a gun for either side. i can't even hunt. i went fishing one time and that was it. i couldn't watch the animal suffocating in the air. now it's all of us who are suffocating. i still don't carry a gun. --i only clear the air. the text below is mine. i'm sorry if i misled anyone. i take full responsibility. it was a bad thing to do. i can no longer speak for myself. i don't know what is right or wrong. i hate the evil in the world. i only hate it. i don't act. i don't act.-- I come out and Speak! I speak the Truth! The American Demonstrators! They learn the Truth! Valour and Courage shall Win! Cowardice and Fear are Out! Prepare the Berms! Hurrah for our Troops Overseas! Hurrah Hurrah! "American Demonstrators! "-- You're not demonstrating for yourself - you're demonstrating to provoke positive change. You want to change the way things are. You have goals you want met. You're willing to act to meet those goals. -- March in an orderly fashion. Indicate you're a soldier for peace. Rioting releases energy, but does not advance the cause. -- Dress somberly, even in black. Don't turn the march into a circus. You don't want to be dismissed as crazy. Indicate you're part of a massive upwelling of public opinion. Show you're part of the public. Indicate you'd put your life on the line for the cause of peace. Show you're as serious and brave as a soldier in war. -- Carry out symbolic actions such as flag and effigy burning. Do these with the sacredness of serious metaphor. Remember your symbolic targets at all times. Saddam! Irak! -- Forget clever signs and costumes. They entertain but distract. Silence itself can be a weapon. A straightforward sign gets a message across. You must unnerve the enemy. -- Realize that the world outside the US is watching. You must indicate the patriotism from within, as strongly as possible. You must make the leaders of Irak realize you are part of a force that must be contended with. -- Be careful in your support of violence, but never assume that Gandhi's era is our own. -- Know your enemy. Become knowledgeable. Read as much as you can on the current crisis and its roots. Read the texts of your enemy as well. -- Do not assume that any large gathering of people makes a difference unless it makes a difference. -- Choose your targets carefully. A demonstration for or against numerous causes may well be weakened by an accumulation of messages that may even be contradictory. Remove auxiliary issues or religious and other rhetoric. Focus. -- Prepare for the long haul. Speak loud but clearly. Let there be no mistake. -- Leave your armchair for the production of resistance. Involve others. Spread the word. Contact others. -- Never give up. Never give in to false pessimism or optimism. Remain a realist at all times. -- Provoke. "Helmut Paul, R.A.C., Harbor" Hurrah for H.P.! Hurrah! Hurrah! === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Agree! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Agree! Hurrah girls our alive! Troops! for and Bring back boys Hurrah! We The prevail! road long difficult! winding shall is of task! to Baghdad Victors! bend is the task! Arduous Difficult Republican terrain! Courageous the the Republican Violent Courageous opposing Thousands Sixth A Marines! York cheer! Thousand! March Sixth One Fleet! Support Seventh! Troops! Support War Peace is a Event! War State an Mind! Military Angered! Angered! American American is Valiant Contain Contain Hydra! Hydra! 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Irak! clever Silence Silence entertain itself message be You weapon. can straightforward a gets A message sign You a must unnerve indicate watching. from the make possible. leaders must Irak contended you of with. careful Gandhi's assume violence, Gandhi's never era is Become Know Read enemy. much knowledgeable. current enemy roots. crisis enemy texts well. your large assume unless makes difference. it carefully. Choose demonstration targets numerous for causes that well even weakened may Remove rhetoric. issues contradictory. religious auxiliary Focus. long Prepare Speak the Let loud mistake. production armchair resistance. the others. of Spread word. word. others. give a Never Never false give Remain pessimism realist at "Helmut Paul, R.A.C., Harbor" H.P.! Hurrah! === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:23:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Some more news from the real world...Response to an anti-war pettion by Booksellers... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To put it mildly...seems to me...the petition...was just a wee one sided...n'est pas.. Around these parts..i've got the other McCarthyite problemo..every one is agin the war...so i've taped a small American Flag to my stand..it flutters nicely in the wind...and as a right wing extremist...i might balance it today with another stars and stripes... 2 weeks ago..i went to a Jazz Concert...deep deep in the heart of Louisada..the jazz pianist who i'd known for 30 years..did a double and triple take...at my Red flag cap..."i didn't think anyone on the Lower East Side was for the war".. Let's hope it's short and sweet...pray for the dead..Americans and Iraqis...and link to the living...Harry... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:01:42 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: peacekeeper In-Reply-To: <20030324094047.60389.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-17024D6B; boundary="=======52C4833=======" --=======52C4833======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-17024D6B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit doesn't war bring out the best in people can't ya just feel the passion around you at least everyone has an opinion at least you can agree and disagree at least ya can say 'butwhatabout... at least well that is if you're not one of the soldier or live in iraq or a kurd or in direct fire or a peace marcher or have a teenage son --=======52C4833======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-17024D6B Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 --=======52C4833=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:20:24 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: On Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Notley-Berrigan Family Values What Naomi Replansky & Kenneth Rexroth have in common with=20 W.S. Merwin & Archibald MacLeish =96 the lesson of half a century A political poem from the NY School: David Shapiro=92s =93A Man Holding an Acoustic Panel=94 Lourdes V=E1zquez=92 Park Slope Evergreen Review=92s =93San Francisco Scene=94 -- the view from 1957 Sick at heart at the thug state Paul Goodman & the New American Poetry: Michael Magee=92s theory of Personism as Pragmatism meets black culture (+ a view from the Berkeley Poetry Conference of =9265) Kenneth Irby=92s dream of Dorn & death The new No: ellipticism, Michael Davidson & the influence of the NY School Lorine Niedecker=92s Thomas Jefferson & JFK Does difficulty exist or do we impose it? (Reading Finnegans Wake to kindergartners) Letters from Matthew Zapruder, Noah Eli Gordon & the skeptical John Erhardt Identity, difference, democracy & JavaScript: Jessica Lowenthal & Michael Waltuch on Robert Grenier=92s Sentences: The box vs. the website Jenn McCreary=92s=20 a doctrine of signatures http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:41:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: this has got to tell you something MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pentagon is "extremely happy" with war coverage so far Los Angeles Times/Washington Post Military bosses like what they're seeing and reading about the war, but critics question the balance and sensitivity of the coverage, say Josh Getlin and David Wharton . "For some, the reality of death and mayhem has been lost amid the high-tech imagery beamed into American living rooms," they write. http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/showcase/la-war-media22mar22.story ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:48:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: More questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kevin- Re: Q2. Good question. CA Conrad said it best Friday night while in McGlinchey's, as we sat under the bigscreen during NCAA March Madness highlights. "Oh. If it's not war it's sports." Just like George, I've only heard Go To Guy used in a sports context. I've heard it used in football(running back or pass receiver), basketball(high scorer in any position) & baseball(usually a relief pitcher). Frank ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:54:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: pmetres Subject: Electronic Iraq: Diaries from Baghdad MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 3/24/03 Folks, A couple thoughts. I appreciate Mike Magee's constant linking between writing and politics (often via Emerson); I hope this listserv continues to attend to those linkages as much as to locating alternative (political and otherwise) narratives, since I think the difficult work as poets is in how to interact with these narratives and glutting information feeds. Last year, I requested folks to send me poems from the Gulf War, and there were a few, but really no more than a trickle. To date, three anthologies have been published already in opposition to this war (one called Enough edited by Scalapino, another due from Nation books by Sam Hamill's crew, and then the "Poets Against the War" one that began as an online chapbook), and even Faber and Faber is apparently putting one out. We're living in an important time for poetry as action. Every war is different, and all our expectations and understandings of war are belated; hence the difficulty of writing poetry "responding" to the war at hand. Even Barrett Watten's scrupulously Zukovskyian "thinking with things as they exist" in Bad History has elements of belatedness; for example, his first section on the war suggests that even the most "present" writing is interpenetrated by past and future. My experience of this war--as attenuated and partial as it is, due to my work and family--is that it is the first internet war. If Gulf War I was the first "live television" war (versus Vietnam's taped television war), then this is the first internet war; unprecedented access to international media, marginalized medias, first-hand accounts, threaten to diminish the highly censored and scripted coverage from American television news. No doubt, the major media are very much in place, "embedded" (in bed with?) the Pentagon's version of reality, and still hegemonic, but the internet is now offering greater opportunities than ever to contest (if not supplant) the narratives as they are forming. For example, the existence of online diaries from Iraq is unprecedented; while our struggle is always to find some way of checking the reality of any such perspective, at least we now have things such as Electronic Iraq's "moon shot of alternative news"". I offer a couple of links below for your perusal. WAR DIARIES FROM IRAQ http://electronicIraq.net/news/ 23 March 2003, 8:07PM CT ________________________________ Iraq Diary: BIRTHDAY IN BAGHDAD: "WHAT A DAY TO BE THIRTEEN" Ramzi Kysia, Iraq Peace Team (23 March 2003) "Today, Amal celebrated her thirteenth birthday on the fourth day of American air strikes on Baghdad with plumes of black smoke surrounding the city and darkening the sky, reportedly from oil set afire by Iraqi forces defending the capitol. " Ramzi Kysia reflects on a very unusual birthday party in Baghdad. http://electronicIraq.net/news/377.shtml Iraq Diary: CPT: WAR REPORT FROM THE TEAM IN BAGHDAD Gene Stoltzfus and Jane Pritchard Christian Peacemaker Team (23 March 2003) The team reported this morning that buildings in the area shake and rattle when the bombs fall. After hearing a report of a downed US pilot two members of the team went immediately to the Tigris River to observe or help but could see nothing. Gene Stoltzfus and Jane Pritchard offer the latest update from the CPT members of the IPT. http://electronicIraq.net/news/364.shtml More diaries at: http://electronicIraq.net/news/iraqdiaries.shtml Expect more reports from the team in the coming days. Let people know about this historical alt.news event. Media News _____________________________________________________ ITN CORRESPONDENT CONFIRMED DEAD: TWO OTHER CREW MEMBERS MISSING Hani Sabra, Committee to Protect Journalists (23 March 2003) Veteran ITV News correspondent Terry Lloyd, who disappeared in southern Iraq yesterday, is dead, according to the British television network ITN, which produces ITV News. The other two journalists who disappeared with Lloyd, cameraman Fred Nerac and translator Hussein Othman, are still missing. The following report is by Hani Sabra, Middle East and North Africa researcher for the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ). http://electronicIraq.net/news/374.shtml LETTER TO NPR: IRAQ PARADING PRISONERS OF WAR Hugh Sansom, Electronic Iraq (23 March 2003) "Even now, there is little NPR attention to the broad horrors of war, especially for civilian victims. It can't be that difficult to investigate. European journalists have visited Iraqi hospitals." Hugh Sansom challenges NPR to visit the other side of the tracks. http://electronicIraq.net/news/378.shtml Electronic Iraq -- found at http://electronicIraq.net -- is a joint publication from veteran antiwar campaigners Voices in the Wilderness [http://vitw.org] (founded 1996) and respected Middle East supplementary news publishers, the Electronic Intifada [http://electronicIntifada.net] (founded 2001). Peace, Phil Metres p.s. Mr. Nudel's admonishment regarding Iraqi civilian casualties stands in direct contradiction to his gloating over the possibility of war--so much so, that I have begun to wonder whether the name Nudel is in fact a fictional performance on the level of Yasusada. To wit, the last name Nudel is an anagram for Luden; clearly, all messages from said Nudel are ludic in nature, often relishing his oppositional-to-the-list posture. The ludicity climaxed in his repartee with Mr. Behrle ended with promises of mutual fucking (fuckings-over or self-fuckings), all before the penetration of Iraq. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:10:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Green Circle, Wyoming - about 20 miles distant >from the State Capital of Cheyenne - is actively promoting a weekly and >locally popular series of protests against the continued war in Iraq, as >well as other such possible wars. Green Circle - for those unfamiliar with >this wonderful ski, fishing and hunting resort - is located about twenty miles away from Jackson Hole not to be nitpicky, but something off here: cheyenne is ~430 driving miles from jackson hole... i wish it were closer, as we're only a 90-minute drive from cheyenne, and i love the tetons!... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:50:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit You are absolutely right, Joe. I have told the Gothix folks they got to keep doing their fact checking - which is no big deal, given a couple of clicks on Google. Shrinking the west - imaginatively or otherwise - is not something any of us should support. Thanks, Stephen V on 3/24/03 8:10 AM, Joe Amato at joe.amato@COLORADO.EDU wrote: >> Green Circle, Wyoming - about 20 miles distant >> from the State Capital of Cheyenne - is actively promoting a weekly and >> locally popular series of protests against the continued war in Iraq, as >> well as other such possible wars. Green Circle - for those unfamiliar with >> this wonderful ski, fishing and hunting resort - is located about twenty > miles away from Jackson Hole > > not to be nitpicky, but something off here: cheyenne is ~430 driving > miles from jackson hole... i wish it were closer, as we're only a > 90-minute drive from cheyenne, and i love the tetons!... > > best, > > joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:45:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Madness and the Arts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030322/R= VMADD/TPEntertainment/TopStories ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:12:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] FW: [unitingforpeace] Intl Green Party Supports R377 Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, manowak@stkate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Wheeler [mailto:robineagle@worldcitizen.org] > >Dear Friends, > >I have just received word that the US Green Party is planning to >endorse the R377 and send a note to all Green Parties around the world >asking the German Foreign Minister Fischer to introduce a Security >Council resolution condemning the US/UK invasion of Iraq as illegal >and a breach of international security and peace. And for all Green >Parties and Parliamentarians to lobby their governments to support >R377. > >I include the operative part of the Resolution which is now being >considered by the Coordinating Committeee of the US Green Party; and >will send their full resolution, which will be forwarded to the UN, in >a second message. I think it is worth reading the whole document. It >is excellent. > >I suggest that CCR, Greenpeace, WILPF, EarthMedia, and others join >with the International Greens to hold a major Press Conference as soon >as possible. Here are some points that I would address in such a >conference. > >Thanks, Rob > >------------------------- > >Suggestions for Press Conferences > >We should be holding Press Conferences all around the world >immediately to support the Uniting for Peace initiative and to address >the illegality of the war and the US "pre-emptive" action. Note, it is >not really pre-emptive as Iraq posed no immediate threat. Noam Chomsky >suggests "preventive" action, but even that doesn't work because there >is no verifiable evidence that Iraq was, or is, going to do anything >that has to be prevented. > >Make the point that the US spends around $400B on the military each >year, almost half of the world's total which must now be about $825B. >The US has attacked more countries more times, and has more weapons of >mass destruction and has used them more times, than any other country >on earth. And finally that the US has repeatedly blocked and weakened >international disarmament treaties and has refused to comply with the >1996 ruling of the International Court of Justice that it is in fact >in violation of nuclear weapons treaties and must begin to disarm >immediately. > >In addition you might want to mention that Israel's failure to comply >with Security Council Resolutions and refusal to dismantle and get rid >of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons poses a far greater >threat to peace in the middle east and around the world, than Iraq. >That the US has repeatedly vetoed efforts to force Isreal to comply >with Security Council resolutions; And you could point out that Israel >is currently occupying Palestine, and continues to commit endless >atrocities and human rights abuses, which is just as much a violation >of international law as was Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. > >No country, again I say no country, should be allowed to override >International Law and attack other countries as the US has repeatedly >done and is again doing and get away with it. > >------------------------- > >US Green Party Resolution > >WE PROPOSE: > >That the Coordinating Committee of the USGP approve the initiation of >contact with Green Party Parliamentarians, especially including those >from Europe and particularly German Green Foreign Minister Joschka >Fischer, the current President of the UN Security Council, for the >purpose of collaborating to invoke the "Uniting for Peace Resolution >through the UN, including via the following means: > > a. Foreign Minister Fischer, having secured the necessary nine votes >for passage, would introduce a Security Council resolution condemning >the US invasion of war of Iraq as illegal and a breach of >international security and peace. Presuming that this resolution draws >a veto from the US or Britain, then the technical requirements for >invoking the Uniting for Peace resolution will have been met; AND/OR > >b. Green Party Parliamentarians would lobby their governments to urge >the President of the UN General Assembly to call an emergency meeting >of the General Assembly for the purpose of invoking GA Resolution, >Uniting for Peace, in order to condemn the war in Iraq and if >necessary, to call for UN peacekeepers to be sent into Iraq to restore >international peace and security. A two-thirds vote of those "present >and voting" are required for passage. > >c. Coordinate efforts to lobby UN member states to introduce and pass >this initiative with members of Green Parties and their allies, >including NGO?s worldwide. > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >unitingforpeace-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. >http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/m0VolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:38:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: approval rating In-Reply-To: <80256CF3.0038C9A3.00@notescam.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In periods of large-scale conscription the US military, on the other hand, served as a democratizing force. WWII and the Korean war had a strong determinative effect on the subsequent civil rights movement, for instance. Vietnam was rather different--the middle class was largely exempt. Whart I'm proposing is a universal, no exemptions at all, conscription. As the US military could only aqbsorb a small number, most would wind up in various civil roles--teaching, building where necessary, etc. There is certainly an overwhelming need. The infrastructure of our national parks, for instance, is falling apoart from financial neglect, and in our local property tax based educational system most schools are understraffed. A one-year conscription has its limits--a few months would have to go for training. But the brevity of the term would mitigate the hardening of any class structure among the conscripts. And my guess is that the experience would lead a fair number to opt for some form of public service career. Regardless, a year teaching in an impoverished school system, a yeaqr of an urban kid's life spent in a national park, a year mixing with a multiracial, multireligious, multiclass cohort couldn't fail, it seems to me, to help break down some of the toxic barriers in American life. My father, who had never been more than a hundred m,iules from his native Brooklyn before WWII, told me of fellow-soldiers who marvelled that he didn't have horns, because they assumed that all Jews did. If nothing else, he and his barracks-mates learned that they were all human. Still no small feat in the US. But of course, tghe whole structure would have to change before anything like my proposal could actually happen--within the US context it reeks of subversion. Mark At 10:20 AM 3/24/2003 +0000, you wrote: >The French ended conscription a while ago: >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1414033.stm. Most of Europe (the most >right-wing part I think it might be fair to say) seems to be following suit. > >"Bring back conscription" was a common complaint of my father's generation >when >he was disgusted at the behaviour of the young - and he was conscripted for 2 >years in the Royal Army Medical Corps. > >As to the efficacy of your proposed plan, the experience of the UK postwar >conscription might be instructive. Listening to a radio 4 documentary on this >subject, it appeared that conscription *replicated" and *enhanced* society's >divisions - e.g. any bootneck that showed any sign of an education or an >accent >was, apparently, booted upstairs pronto. IMO, the armed forces >(particularly in >the UK; others may want to comment on the US), *reflect* the divisions of >society rather than some some unclass system. If you want social engineering, >then the whole structure has to be changed. > >Roger. > >At 23/03/03 20:32:46, Mark Weiss wrote: ># Yup, and so seen even by the founding fathers, who were adamantly against ># standing armies. So for most of our histories we had tiny professional ># armies that could function as the core of larger groups gathered (until the ># civil war always by enlistment) in the event of conflict. Hence the ># constitution's interest in the maintenance of an armed citizenry. In the ># current world that won't work--things happen too quickly, and the arms are ># too complex and too deadly--we can't gather and train masses of enlistees ># or draftees fast enough to respond--so more forces at the ready are needed ># even if the US never fights another war of aggression (yeah, right). ># ># But my own sense is that a universal draft, say for a year as the French do ># it, could be a great force for change. If the kids were detached from their ># home environments and thrust among the full diversity of their age group ># under military discipline (to keep them from killing each other) a lot of ># the divisions that plague us would begin to disappear. Military ># discipline, but not necessarily military assignment--there's plenty for a ># modern CCC to do, here and abroad. And for those who need it there could be ># a gun-to-the-head (hey, it's a metaphor) last shot at literacy training, ># with none of the distractions of civilian life. ># ># I raised this on the list a couple of years ago to a chorus of howls from ># folks who I'm afraid had a hard time dealing with the thought of not being ># in school for one year of their lives. ># ># Mark ># ># At 01:17 PM 3/23/2003 -0700, you wrote: ># >mark, one thing that comes immediately to mind wrt this question of a ># >professional army is a conversation i had maybe seven years ago with ># >poet/vietnam war vet w. d. ehrhart... in essence bill made the ># >argument charles rangel has made, believing that a draft was ># >preferable to a professional army not least b/c such an army ># >constituted a potential threat to democratic process... ># > ># >best, ># > ># >joe ># ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:40:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Amato" To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: Re: Green Circle, Wyoming Promotes Anti-War Protests > >Green Circle, Wyoming - about 20 miles distant > >from the State Capital of Cheyenne - is actively promoting a weekly and > >locally popular series of protests against the continued war in Iraq, as > >well as other such possible wars. Green Circle - for those unfamiliar with > >this wonderful ski, fishing and hunting resort - is located about twenty > miles away from Jackson Hole Now I know why I wear a Jackson Hole cap. -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:27:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: The War In-Reply-To: <003501c2f1f0$806d7fa0$8bf4a8c0@netserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Just a mention here but I understand that bombing targets from 'our' forces >have included, of all places, Nineveh and Babylon. > >Gawd help us. I'm just going off to hit myself on the head with the Book of >Revelations! > You just have to remember that Bush and his crew are pissed off at the region for inventing writing. They hate writing. They were forced to try to read some in 4th grade. -- George Bowering Can remember Rosalind Russell Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 12:48:17 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: American forces torture prisoners during interrogation Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a matter of civic discipline I often force myself to listen to the right= =20 wing call-in shows on AM radio. A few weeks ago when a key Al Qaida=20 official was captured, American men and women were calling in expressing=20 the hope that he be tortured, that torture in this case was justified if in= =20 the end "we" would learn where Bin Laden hides. The US Defense Dept is holding this man's two boys, ages I think 7 and 9,=20 somewhere in the states. That is surely one kind of torture. But now, a US= =20 spokesman for the Bagram air base in Afghanistan admits that two prisoners= =20 who died there recently were murdered during interrogation: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=3D384604 America admits suspects died in interrogations By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles 07 March 2003 American military officials acknowledged yesterday that two prisoners=20 captured in Afghanistan in December had been killed while under=20 interrogation at Bagram air base north of Kabul =96 reviving concerns that= =20 the US is resorting to torture in its treatment of Taliban fighters and=20 suspected al-Qa'ida operatives. A spokesman for the air base confirmed that the official cause of death of= =20 the two men was "homicide", contradicting earlier accounts that one had=20 died of a heart attack and the other from a pulmonary embolism. The men's death certificates, made public earlier this week, showed that=20 one captive, known only as Dilawar, 22, from the Khost region, died from=20 "blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery=20 disease" while another captive, Mullah Habibullah, 30, suffered from blood= =20 clot in the lung that was exacerbated by a "blunt force injury". US officials previously admitted using "stress and duress" on prisoners=20 including sleep deprivation, denial of medication for battle injuries,=20 forcing them to stand or kneel for hours on end with hoods on, subjecting=20 them to loud noises and sudden flashes of light and engaging in culturally= =20 humiliating practices such as having them kicked by female officers. While the US claims this still constitutes "humane" treatment, human rights= =20 groups including Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch have=20 denounced it as torture as defined by international treaty. The US has also= =20 come under heavy criticism for its reported policy of handing suspects over= =20 to countries such as Jordan, Egypt or Morocco, where torture techniques are= =20 an established part of the security apparatus. Legally, Human Rights Watch= =20 says, there is no distinction between using torture directly and=20 subcontracting it out. Some American politicians have argued that torture could be justified in=20 this case if it helped prevent terror attacks on US citizens. Jonathan=20 Turley, a prominent law professor at George Washington University,=20 countered that embracing torture would be "suicide for a nation once viewed= =20 as the very embodiment of human rights". Torture is part of a long list of concerns about the Bush administration's= =20 respect for international law, after the extrajudicial killing of al-Qa'ida= =20 suspects by an unmanned drone in Yemen and the the indefinite detention of= =20 "enemy combatants" at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, a number of whom have committed= =20 or attempted to commit suicide. President Bush appeared to encourage extra-judicial solutions in his State= =20 of the Union address in January when he talked of al-Qa'ida members being=20 arrested or meeting "a different fate". "Let's put it this way," he said in= =20 a tone that appalled many, "they are no longer a problem to the United=20 States and our friends and allies." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:00:37 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Report from Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Robert Fisk >London Independent http://www.independent.co.uk >23 March 2003 > > >Donald Rumsfeld says the American attack on Baghdad is "as targeted an air=20 >campaign as has ever existed" but he should not try telling that to >five-year-old Doha Suheil. She looked at me yesterday morning, drip feed >attached to her nose, a deep frown over her small face as she tried vainly >to move the left side of her body. The cruise missile that exploded close t= o >her home in the Radwaniyeh suburb of Baghdad blasted shrapnel into her tiny >legs =AD they were bound up with gauze =AD and, far more seriously, into he= r >spine. Now she has lost all movement in her left leg. > >Her mother bends over the bed and straightens her right leg which the littl= e >girl thrashes around outside the blanket. Somehow, Doha's mother thinks tha= t >if her child's two legs lie straight beside each other, her daughter will >recover from her paralysis. She was the first of 101 patients brought to th= e >Al-Mustansaniya College Hospital after America's blitz on the city began on >Friday night. Seven other members of her family were wounded in the same >cruise missile bombardment; the youngest, a one-year-old baby, was being >breastfed by her mother at the time. > >There is something sick, obscene about these hospital visits. We bomb. They >suffer. Then we turn up and take pictures of their wounded children. The >Iraqi minister of health decides to hold an insufferable press conference >outside the wards to emphasise the "bestial" nature of the American attack. >The Americans say that they don't intend to hurt children. And Doha Suheil >looks at me and the doctors for reassurance, as if she will awake from this >nightmare and move her left leg and feel no more pain. > >So let's forget, for a moment, the cheap propaganda of the regime and the >equally cheap moralising of Messrs Rumsfeld and Bush, and take a trip aroun= d >the Al-Mustansaniya College Hospital. For the reality of war is ultimately >not about military victory and defeat, or the lies about "coalition forces" >which our "embedded" journalists are now peddling about an invasion >involving only the Americans, the British and a handful of Australians. War= , >even when it has international legitimacy =AD which this war does not =AD i= s >primarily about suffering. > >Take 50-year-old Amel Hassan, a peasant woman with tattoos on her arms and >legs but who now lies on her hospital bed with massive purple bruises on he= r >shoulders =AD they are now twice their original size =AD who was on her way= to >visit her daughter when the first American missile struck Baghdad. "I was >just getting out of the taxi when there was a big explosion and I fell down >and found my blood everywhere," she told me. "It was on my arms, my legs, m= y >chest." Amel Hassan still has multiple shrapnel wounds in her chest. > >Her five-year-old daughter Wahed lies in the next bed, whimpering with pain= . >She had climbed out of the taxi first and was almost at her aunt's front >door when the explosion cut her down. Her feet are still bleeding although >the blood has clotted around her toes and is staunched by the bandages on >her ankles and lower legs. Two little boys are in the next room. Sade Selim >is 11; his brother Omar is 14. Both have shrapnel wounds to their legs and >chest. > >Isra Riad is in the third room with almost identical injuries, in her case >shrapnel wounds to the legs as she ran in terror from her house into her >garden as the blitz began. Imam Ali is 23 and has multiple shrapnel wounds >in her abdomen and lower bowel. Najla Hussein Abbas still tries to cover he= r >head with a black scarf but she cannot hide the purple wounds to her legs. >Multiple shrapnel wounds. After a while, "multiple shrapnel wounds" sounds >like a natural disease which, I suppose =AD among a people who have suffere= d >more than 20 years of war =AD it is. > >And all this, I asked myself yesterday, was all this for 11 September 2001? >All this was to "strike back" at our attackers, albeit that Doha Suheil, >Wahed Hassan and Imam Ali have nothing =AD absolutely nothing =AD to do wit= h >those crimes against humanity, any more than has the awful Saddam? Who >decided, I wonder, that these children, these young women, should suffer fo= r >11 September? > >Wars repeat themselves. Always, when "we" come to visit those we have >bombed, we have the same question. In Libya in 1986, I remember how America= n >reporters would repeatedly cross-question the wounded: had they perhaps bee= n >hit by shrapnel from their own anti-aircraft fire? Again, in 1991, "we" >asked the Iraqi wounded the same question. And yesterday, a doctor found >himself asked by a British radio reporter -- yes, you've guessed it -- "Do >you think, doctor, that some of these people could have been hit by Iraqi >anti-aircraft fire?" > >Should we laugh or cry at this? Should we always blame "them" for their own >wounds? Certainly we should ask why those cruise missiles exploded where >they did, at least 320 in Baghdad alone, courtesy of the USS Kitty Hawk. > >Isra Riad came from Sayadiyeh where there is a big military barracks. Najla >Abbas's home is in Risalleh where there are villas belonging to Saddam's >family. The two small Selim brothers live in Shirta Khamse where there is a >store house for military vehicles. But that's the whole problem. Targets ar= e >scattered across the city. The poor -- and all the wounded I saw yesterday >were poor -- live in cheap, sometimes wooden houses that collapse under >blast damage. > >It is the same old story. If we make war -- however much we blather on abou= t >our care for civilians -- we are going to kill and maim the innocent. > >Dr Habib Al-Hezai, whose FRCS was gained at Edinburgh University, counted >101 patients of the total 207 wounded in the raids in his hospital alone, o= f >whom 85 were civilians -- 20 of them women and six of them children -- and >16 soldiers. A young man and a child of 12 had died under surgery. No one >will say how many soldiers were killed during the actual attack. > >Driving across Baghdad yesterday was an eerie experience. The targets were >indeed carefully selected even though their destruction inevitably struck >the innocent. There was one presidential palace I saw with 40ft high statue= s >of the Arab warrior Salaheddin in each corner -- the face of each was, of >course, that of Saddam -- and, neatly in between, a great black hole gouged >into the fa=E7ade of the building. The ministry of air weapons production w= as >pulverised, a massive heap of pre-stressed concrete and rubble. > >But outside, at the gate, there were two sandbag emplacements with smartly >dressed Iraqi soldiers, rifles over the parapet, still ready to defend thei= r >ministry from the enemy which had already destroyed it. > >The morning traffic built up on the roads beside the Tigris. No driver >looked too hard at the Republican Palace on the other side of the river nor >the smouldering ministry of armaments procurement. They burned for 12 hours >after the first missile strikes. It was as if burning palaces and blazing >ministries and piles of smoking rubble were a normal part of daily Baghdad >life. But then again, no one under the present regime would want to spend >too long looking at such things, would they? > >And Iraqis have noticed what all this means. In 1991, the Americans struck >the refineries, the electricity grid, the water pipes, communications. But >yesterday, Baghdad could still function. The landline telephones worked; th= e >internet operated; the electrical power was at full capacity; the bridges >over the Tigris remained unbombed. Because, of course, when -- "if" is stil= l >a sensitive phrase these days -- the Americans get here, they will need a >working communications system, electricity, transport. What has been spared >is not a gift to the Iraqi people: it is for the benefit of Iraq's supposed >new masters. > >The Iraq daily newspaper emerged yesterday with an edition of just four >pages, a clutch of articles on the "steadfastness" of the nation -- >steadfastness in Arabic is soummoud, the same name as the missile that Iraq >partially destroyed before Bush forced the UN inspectors to leave by going >to war -- and a headline which read "President: Victory will come [sic] in >Iraqi hands". > >Again, there has been no attempt by the US to destroy the television >facilities because they presumably want to use them on arrival. During the >bombing on Friday night, an Iraqi general appeared live on television to >reassure the nation of victory. As he spoke, the blast waves from cruise >missile explosions blew in the curtains behind him and shook the television >camera. > >So where does all this lead us? In the early hours of yesterday morning, I >looked across the Tigris at the funeral pyre of the Republican Palace and >the colonnaded ministry beside it. There were beacons of fire across Baghda= d >and the sky was lowering with smoke, the buttressed, rampart-like palace -- >sheets of flame soaring from its walls -- looked like a medieval castle >ablaze; Tsesiphon destroyed, Mesopotamia at the moment of its destruction a= s >it has been seen for many times over so many thousands of years. > >Xenophon struck south of here, Alexander to the north. The Mongols sacked >Baghdad. The caliphs came. And then the Ottomans and then the British. All >departed. Now come the Americans. It's not about legitimacy. It's about >something much more seductive, something Saddam himself understands all too >well, a special kind of power, the same power that every conqueror of Iraq >wished to demonstrate as he smashed his way into the land of this ancient >civilisation. > >Yesterday afternoon the Iraqis lit massive fires of oil around the city of >Baghdad in the hope of misleading the guidance system of the cruise >missiles. Smoke against computers. The air-raid sirens began to howl again >just after 3.20pm London time, followed by the utterly predictable sound of >explosions. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:17:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: Islam's rules for POWs ("What Geneva Convention?") MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To piggy back on GG's prisoners & torture email... -----Original Message-----=20 Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:03 PM To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [gulfwar-2] Islam's rules for POWs ("What Geneva Convention?") From : Islam's rules for POWs 24/03/2003 18:26=A0=A0-=A0(SA) London - Prisoners of war in Iraqi hands will be treated in accordance with "the teachings of Islam," Iraq's Foreign Minister Naji Sabri told the BBC on Monday.=20 Sabri, in Egypt to rally Arab governments against what he called US and British "colonialism, neo-colonialism and war," said Islamic principles took precedence over the Geneva Convention.=20 "First of all, we are committed to the teachings of Islam. We are faithful Muslims. We take care of our prisoners of war in accordance with our teachings of Islam," he told BBC radio's The World At One program. [--snip--] ------ Well, I think this settles THAT debate. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/3hSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: gulfwar-2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com =20 Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:09:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. 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Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: BCC field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Brian Stefans Subject: Circulars Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ((((((((((((((((((((((((((( Circulars Update ))))))))))))))))))))))))))) March 24, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000379.html#000379 Mirakove Relay #3: On Detainees We knew before the illegal invasion of Iraq began that the U.S. government would be pushing legislature through Congress, and we agreed that we'd have to pay attention to that. (Please note: This is not a war; Patriot II itself states that the U.S. has not been involved in a war in more than 60 years.) While we mourn for those who are suffering and dying under weapons of mass destruction, let's remain close in our communities and active in our dialogues. WE ARE ALL TERRORISTS The first page alone of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act (aka Patriot II) is off-the-charts alarming. In defining terrorism, Section 101: Individual Terrorists as Foreign Powers reads, "This provision would expand FISA's definition of "foreign power" to include *all* persons, regardless of whether they are affiliated with an international terrorist group, who engage in international terrorism." Proceeding to Section 102: Clandestine Intelligence Activities by Agent of a Foreign Power: "FISA currently defines "agent of a foreign power" to include a person who knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities on behalf of a foreign power -- but only if those activities "involve or may involve a violation of" federal criminal law. Requiring the additional showing that the intelligence gathering violates the laws of the United States is both unnecessary and counterproductive.. Any person who engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for a foreign power would qualify as an "agent of foreign power," regardless of whether those activities are federal crimes." "Clandestine"? "Intelligence"? So, with law out the window, how are these offenses qualified, and by whom? If detainment is at the sole discretion of the Attorney General, and detainees are not only denied the right to trial, but denied contact with *all persons*, then this administration is indeed positioned to detain anyone perceived to be an Other, be it an international resident or a domestic dissident. "Terrorist"? You can download Patriot II at www.stopsevis.org SEND A FREE FAX URGING CONGRESS TO STOP THE PROFILING www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_familydivided.html Stories of other innocent detainees are here: www.at149st.com/ href="http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=1 0&L3=0&L4=0 &L5=0">www.public-i.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0 &L4=0 &L5=0 href="http://www.drumnation.org/stopdc.html">www.drumnation.org/stopdc. html href="http://www.aclu.org/ImmigrantsRights/ImmigrantsRights.cfm?ID=1156 1&c=95">www.aclu.org/ImmigrantsRights/ImmigrantsRights.cfm?ID=11561&c=9 5 href="http://www.rcfp.org/secretjustice/terrorism/detainment.html">www. rcfp.org/secretjustice/terrorism/detainment.html href="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/us911/USA0802-02.htm#P474_104537" >www.hrw.org/reports/2002/us911/USA0802-02.htm#P474_104537 href="http://reclaimdemocracy.org/civil_rights/patriot_act_ii_oped.html ">reclaimdemocracy.org/civil_rights/patriot_act_ii_oped.html href="http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/international/americas/16DETA.h tml">www.nytimes.com/2002/09/16/international/americas/16DETA.html href="http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/transcript_family2.html">www.pb s.org/now/transcript/transcript_family2.html href="http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/us911/USA0802-01.htm#P217_31161"> www.hrw.org/reports/2002/us911/USA0802-01.htm#P217_31161 href="http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/06/business/06FLY.html?ex=10475316 00&en=27fa9 893300c6439&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE">www.nytimes.com/2003/03/06/business /06FLY.html?ex=1047531600&en=27fa9 893300c6439&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm">news.bbc .co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/government/doc1148.html">www.guerril lanews.com/government/doc1148.html href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,589168,00.ht ml">www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,589168,00.html href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56948-2003Mar19.html">w ww.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56948-2003Mar19.html href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55994-2003Mar19.ht ml">www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55994-2003Mar19.html href="http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/aasc/ex9066/">www.sscnet.ucla.edu/aasc /ex9066/ -- Powered by Movable Type Version 2.21 http://www.movabletype.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:45:00 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: TAKE THE ASSASSINATED PRESS 'AMERICA UBER ALLES' POLL! Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: TAKE THE ASSASSINATED PRESS 'AMERICA UBER ALLES' POLL! TAKE THE ASSASSINATED PRESS 'AMERICA UBER ALLES' POLL! Who's Next In America's Sights? Will The World Pre-Empt Being Pre-Empted By The U.S.? Tell us what you think. The Assassinated Press in conjunction with Fox Einsatzgruppen News They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:53:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: Chicago Arrests Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, deeplistening@yahoogroups.com, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, ismai004@umn.edu, dlfox@umn.edu, lew@humnet.ucla.edu, manowak@stkate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >From: Matthias Regan >Subject: Chicago Arrests >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >http://umn.edu/mc/s?BbWrHpCZCNfW2.GQSrbUNq,KyLFCYz0XZZZvJWSVBLsxI7JXZ,MJ6Ob= CbWRRKBGt.er3YSAkzpaN2P5IeUK2hDg >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] midway.uchicago.edu #+UF+CP (A,-) >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM > >The following is a message from Amy Partridge, who was arrested in >Chicago under the Patriot Act while exercising her constitutional >rights. Press accounts of these arrests last Thursday are >inaccurate: please help us get this message out. > >Matthias Regan > >Dear all, > >I want to warn you all about what happened to hundreds of peaceful >protesters, myself included, at the rally and march on Thursday >night in downtown Chicago. Both the rally and march were entirely >peaceful. I saw not one instance of civil disobedience or aggro >behavior. Police escorted us on the March and onto Lake Shore >Drive. We were never asked to disperse or threatened with arrest. >When police prevented us from marching on Michigan Ave marchers >moved on. We were, however, surrounded by hundreds of police a few >block later and prevented from leaving. No one around me intended >to or wanted to be arrested. Everyone asked to be allowed to leave >and disperse. I have since heard this was not how the media >reported it but more than once the crowd chanted =93let us go=94 and =93we >will disperse.=94 The police told individuals who asked that they >could leave from some other side of the crowd but in EVERY instance >I witnessed this was not the case and no one was allowed to leave, >including a 17 year old boy and his 14 year old sister. At first >police rushed the crowd and pulled out 10 people at a time. I and >everyone around me was arrested despite the fact that we were >standing on the sidewalk (not in the street) and that we asked again >and again to be allowed to leave since we had done nothing illegal. >A cop grabbed me, put me in cuffs, and told me I was being charged >with mob action and that I should be glad I was not in Iraq. I have >since heard that people were allowed to leave much later but we were >told that everyone would be arrested sooner or later. > >Close to 300 (at least) women were held in custody for hours. I was >in custody for over 20 hours. Despite the fact that we were told >that we be released as soon as we were processed, I was held in a >jail cell from midnight until 4:00 pm the next day. During this >time I was not allowed a phone call, not read my rights, and my >charge was not explained to me. We were all told numerous times >that we would be released on I-Bonds, meaning once we were processed >(mug shots taken and finger prints sent to the federal registry) we >could sign ourselves out. A friend of mine came to get me at 8:00 >am and was told I would be released by noon. By 2:00 she was told I >had been =93lost=94 and might not be =93found=94 or released until Monday. >When she offered $100 cash at 4:00 (despite the fact that we had >been told explicitly numerous times that we did not require bail >money) I was =93found=94 and released. Only because a cell phone had >been smuggled into my cell block was I able to contact this friend >or to hear the news that they were suddenly and inexplicably >requiring $100 bail to release us. The police allowed no one to >call friends and family to arrange this payment. We were all told >that if we got arrested again within 24 hours of signing our bond we >would be charged with a FELONY. Waiting parents and friends were >told that if we SO MUCH AS SHOWED UP AGAIN AT ANOTHER RALLY we would >be charged with a felony. This, of course, cannot be right. But >this is the mood of Ashcroft=92s America. > >The average age of the arrestees as far as I could tell was between >17-25. No one I met had ever been arrested before or had had any >intention of being arrested for civil disobedience Thursday night. >At least 3 women that I met were tourist that had gotten trapped in >the crowd. This fact was explained both by the women themselves and >many of the protesters but they were treated no differently and as >far as I know held for the same amount of time as the rest of us. >While some the cops were fine, a number threatened us and many >ridiculed us. They treated us with disdain and disgust and booked >us as though we were terrorists under the new Patriot Act and not >peaceful protesters. It was a miserable and shocking experience. >This may have been the most egregious response and it may be that no >other peaceful protesters will be trapped and arrested as we were. >But I recommend if you intend to go to any future protests that you >make sure you have a number of a lawyer or the ACLU memorized. I >would also suggest that you let someone know you are going and that >if you do not call them upon your return that they should check to >see if you have been arrested. Those of us that had it worst and >were held the longest did not have anyone waiting for us and >demanding our release. > >All the best, >Amy Partridge >PhD Candidate Performance Studies >Northwestern University > >------------------ > > >Dear All, > >I am sending this as a follow-up message. I posted an account of my >experience being arrested on www.chicago.indymedia.org along with >many other of the arrestees. One of the arresting officers replied >to my posting and to others who had responded to it and I include >his reply below. The tone of this email was the tone of the entire >arresting process. I did and do feel terrorized but I refuse to let >this just happen. Please feel free to send on my original account >and this cop's (who does not state his name but goes by the moniker >"Patriot") response to any one who might be interested. Thank you. > >All the best, >Amy Partridge >PhD Candidate Performance Studies >Northwestern University > >You all can't be this dumb!! >by Patriotic 12:04am Mon Mar 24 '03 = > comment#22672 > >To Amy - 1st of all being arrested is supposed to be a shocking >experiance. You should be ashamed and humiliated by your actions >that put you in this situtation. Complaining about overcrowded >cells? Did you see all the prisoners? What did you expect? A room at >the Hilton? Whoever told you would be released once your prints >cleared was correct. The problem was all you idiots getting arrested >clogged the system. The majority of you were NOT processed by >midnight. By 0630 there were still 70 females left to picture and >print. Not to mention the 300+ males, all hitting the computers at >once, slows it all down. Sorry you didn't enjoy your stay at Chez >Grand Central. > >Peaceful protesters? Take a look at the pics from this site alone! >Angry, screaming faces, traffic at a standstill, I only hope that >noone died trying to get to Northwestern or St. Joe's Hospital and >had to re-route because of your groups actions. Won't that be a nice >lawsuit? > >You're wrong , the ILCS states that if a subject is >re-arrested for ANY offense prior to the scheduled court date that >they were bonded out for they will be charged for Violation of Bail >Bond, and held until their court date. Read your law. Ah no, silly >me, you'd rather whine! > >Class action suit for what? You broke the law, you were arrested. >Simple math, even you should be able to figure it out. Every >arrestee was handled within the law, just because we treated you >like the assholes you were doesn't merit a lawsuit. You are all >angry, embarrassed and humiliated. You should be. > >To Tamera: >I had the pleasure of housing you in the "Whore Block". It's not a >nice place, it isn't meant to be. But what did you think jail was >going to be? Did you expect us to tuck you in your jammies with a >pillow and blankie and a mint under your pillow? The jail wasn't >re-decorated for your arrival, it's like that everyday. Just be >greatful we had it cleaned prior to your arrival. > >To Luisiana: >Understand this. There are no physians on staff in the lockups. >Medication is not allowed to be dispensed. You claim to have became >ill, you were taken to a medical facility, in handcuffs. You were a >prisoner, any prisoner not secured in a cell must be handcuffed. > >To all of you whining tree-hugging Saddam loving pigs: Before you >get involved in something that could land you in jail, know your >law. The comments made here only show your ignorance. Someone >commented about being read their rights way>,none of you were "read" your rights because you were not being >questioned about a crime. Stop thinking this is TV. Life is dramatic >enough. Know what you're talking about before spouting off. > > > >-- -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:20:17 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: Chicago Arrests In-Reply-To: <14b.1d681152.2bb0afd5@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following is a message from Amy Partridge, who was arrested in=20 Chicago under the Patriot Act while exercising her constitutional=20 rights. Press accounts of these arrests last Thursday are inaccurate:=20 please help us get this message out. Matthias Regan Nonfiction Editor * * * * * * * * * * Dear all, I want to warn you all about what happened to hundreds of peaceful=20 protesters, myself included, at the rally and march on Thursday night=20 in downtown Chicago. Both the rally and march were entirely=20 peaceful. I saw not one instance of civil disobedience or aggro=20 behavior. Police escorted us on the March and onto Lake Shore Drive.=20 We were never asked to disperse or threatened with arrest. When=20 police prevented us from marching on Michigan Ave marchers moved on.=20 We were, however, surrounded by hundreds of police a few block later=20 and prevented from leaving. No one around me intended to or wanted=20 to be arrested. Everyone asked to be allowed to leave and disperse.=20 I have since heard this was not how the media reported it but more=20 than once the crowd chanted =93let us go=94 and =93we will disperse.=94 The= =20 police told individuals who asked that they could leave from some=20 other side of the crowd but in EVERY instance I witnessed this was=20 not the case and no one was allowed to leave, including a 17 year old=20 boy and his 14 year old sister. At first police rushed the crowd and=20 pulled out 10 people at a time. I and everyone around me was=20 arrested despite the fact that we were standing on the sidewalk (not=20 in the street) and that we asked again and again to be allowed to=20 leave since we had done nothing illegal. A cop grabbed me, put me in=20 cuffs, and told me I was being charged with mob action and that I=20 should be glad I was not in Iraq. I have since heard that people=20 were allowed to leave much later but we were told that everyone would=20 be arrested sooner or later. Close to 300 (at least) women were held in custody for hours. I was=20 in custody for over 20 hours. Despite the fact that we were told=20 that we be released as soon as we were processed, I was held in a=20 jail cell from midnight until 4:00 pm the next day. During this time=20 I was not allowed a phone call, not read my rights, and my charge was=20 not explained to me. We were all told numerous times that we would=20 be released on I-Bonds, meaning once we were processed (mug shots=20 taken and finger prints sent to the federal registry) we could sign=20 ourselves out. A friend of mine came to get me at 8:00 am and was=20 told I would be released by noon. By 2:00 she was told I had been=20 =93lost=94 and might not be =93found=94 or released until Monday. When she= =20 offered $100 cash at 4:00 (despite the fact that we had been told=20 explicitly numerous times that we did not require bail money) I was=20 =93found=94 and released. Only because a cell phone had been smuggled=20 into my cell block was I able to contact this friend or to hear the=20 news that they were suddenly and inexplicably requiring $100 bail to=20 release us. The police allowed no one to call friends and family to=20 arrange this payment. We were all told that if we got arrested again=20 within 24 hours of signing our bond we would be charged with a=20 =46ELONY. Waiting parents and friends were told that if we SO MUCH AS=20 SHOWED UP AGAIN AT ANOTHER RALLY we would be charged with a felony.=20 This, of course, cannot be right. But this is the mood of Ashcroft=92s=20 America. The average age of the arrestees as far as I could tell was between=20 17-25. No one I met had ever been arrested before or had had any=20 intention of being arrested for civil disobedience Thursday night.=20 At least 3 women that I met were tourist that had gotten trapped in=20 the crowd. This fact was explained both by the women themselves and=20 many of the protesters but they were treated no differently and as=20 far as I know held for the same amount of time as the rest of us.=20 While some the cops were fine, a number threatened us and many=20 ridiculed us. They treated us with disdain and disgust and booked us=20 as though we were terrorists under the new Patriot Act and not=20 peaceful protesters. It was a miserable and shocking experience.=20 This may have been the most egregious response and it may be that no=20 other peaceful protesters will be trapped and arrested as we were.=20 But I recommend if you intend to go to any future protests that you=20 make sure you have a number of a lawyer or the ACLU memorized. I=20 would also suggest that you let someone know you are going and that=20 if you do not call them upon your return that they should check to=20 see if you have been arrested. Those of us that had it worst and were=20 held the longest did not have anyone waiting for us and demanding our=20 release. All the best, Amy Partridge PhD Candidate Performance Studies Northwestern University ------------------ Dear All, I am sending this as a follow-up message. I posted an account of my=20 experience being arrested on www.chicago.indymedia.org along with=20 many other of the arrestees. One of the arresting officers replied=20 to my posting and to others who had responded to it and I include his=20 reply below. The tone of this email was the tone of the entire=20 arresting process. I did and do feel terrorized but I refuse to let=20 this just happen. Please feel free to send on my original account=20 and this cop's (who does not state his name but goes by the moniker=20 "Patriot") response to any one who might be interested. Thank you. All the best, Amy Partridge PhD Candidate Performance Studies Northwestern University You all can't be this dumb!! by Patriotic 12:04am Mon Mar 24 '03 = =20 comment#22672 To Amy - 1st of all being arrested is supposed to be a shocking=20 experiance. You should be ashamed and humiliated by your actions that=20 put you in this situtation. Complaining about overcrowded cells? Did=20 you see all the prisoners? What did you expect? A room at the Hilton?=20 Whoever told you would be released once your prints cleared was=20 correct. The problem was all you idiots getting arrested clogged the=20 system. The majority of you were NOT processed by midnight. By 0630=20 there were still 70 females left to picture and print. Not to mention=20 the 300+ males, all hitting the computers at once, slows it all=20 down. Sorry you didn't enjoy your stay at Chez Grand Central. Peaceful protesters? Take a look at the pics from this site alone!=20 Angry, screaming faces, traffic at a standstill, I only hope that=20 noone died trying to get to Northwestern or St. Joe's Hospital and=20 had to re-route because of your groups actions. Won't that be a nice=20 lawsuit? You're wrong , the ILCS states that if a subject is=20 re-arrested for ANY offense prior to the scheduled court date that=20 they were bonded out for they will be charged for Violation of Bail=20 Bond, and held until their court date. Read your law. Ah no, silly=20 me, you'd rather whine! Class action suit for what? You broke the law, you were arrested.=20 Simple math, even you should be able to figure it out. Every arrestee=20 was handled within the law, just because we treated you like the=20 assholes you were doesn't merit a lawsuit. You are all angry,=20 embarrassed and humiliated. You should be. To Tamera: I had the pleasure of housing you in the "Whore Block". It's not a=20 nice place, it isn't meant to be. But what did you think jail was=20 going to be? Did you expect us to tuck you in your jammies with a=20 pillow and blankie and a mint under your pillow? The jail wasn't=20 re-decorated for your arrival, it's like that everyday. Just be=20 greatful we had it cleaned prior to your arrival. To Luisiana: Understand this. There are no physians on staff in the lockups.=20 Medication is not allowed to be dispensed. You claim to have became=20 ill, you were taken to a medical facility, in handcuffs. You were a=20 prisoner, any prisoner not secured in a cell must be handcuffed. To all of you whining tree-hugging Saddam loving pigs: Before you get=20 involved in something that could land you in jail, know your law. The=20 comments made here only show your ignorance. Someone commented about=20 being read their rights ,none of you=20 were "read" your rights because you were not being questioned about a=20 crime. Stop thinking this is TV. Life is dramatic enough. Know what=20 you're talking about before spouting off. -- * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:40:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Report from Iraq In-Reply-To: <14b.1d681152.2bb0afd5@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" some of what is being reported here, on this list, raises ethical issues that i'm not sure i have the wherewithal to address... as i've posted here before, i'm against the current war... i'm also against torture... but here again, and i don't wish to sound merely provocative, but i can imagine a scenario in which i'd have fewer reservations about torture---e.g., (really now) an imminent loss of human life (to wit, if we don't learn so & so, 1000 lives *will* most certainly be lost)... i.e., i'm not sure my principles extend to massive loss of life... of course this puts one (me anyway) in a potentially compromising moral/ethical dilemma... but i'm not a purist when it comes to ethics, and i think we ought to treat such difficulties situationally... it's not that i'm condoning torture as such, but it's just that i can see a greatest good argument (i.e., in terms of numbers of human lives) being used to justify some form of torture... and aside from argument, i know i just couldn't handle it emotionally if i knew some bastard was holding onto information that would likely save the life of a loved one... some evil little side of me would also like to suggest that sleep deprivation is not quite the same as physical battering... i don't think i'm splitting hairs here---i don't have any problem with truth serums, either---or at least, i don't think i do... i haven't been convinced that fighting terrorism is going to happen entirely under the kinds of criminal laws we have in place here in the u.s. at present... and i detest ashcroft, far as i've been able to determine... and i deplore what's happened to those two prisoners, as reported by gabe... and i still think (i think) that international law could have been applied to hunt down bin laden and al qaeda, and that we might have avoided bombing afghanistan... but "intelligence," as the saying goes, is a dirty business, no point in being a pollyanna about it, and i'm pretty certain most on this list would not want to abolish our intelligence agencies outright---not right now anyway (i hear a great pun here but i'll leave it alone)... do i contradict myself?... judging by the emerson thread, most of you know what comes next... even as i say these things aloud (as it were)---and i'm only thinking aloud here, folks---i feel as if i must resort to some kind of cinematic experience/analogy... which is precisely what we mustn't do, i know... take phil m's intriguing riff on "embedded media"---viz., the media "in bed with" our govt... well and good, & i wish i'd thought of that!... but, but i don't think that's the whole story either... e.g., many complaints were raised during gulf war 1 re lack of media coverage... now you have more media coverage than you want, perhaps, so i think we do better, in general, to talk specifically about the quality of such coverage than to criticize its sheer abundance (i continue to lament the personal interest stuff, as i feel this only sensationalizes issues and events, fueling public and private hostilities)... though here again, i think an argument could be made, too, that the sheer abundance of coverage---and there has been a good deal of coverage of protests too (however peeved i am at the questions pitched to antiwar protesters by reporters)---is bound to have a spectacle-effect... still, i'm not inured mself, not yet anyway, to hearing about any loss of life... any loss of life... and i get all welled-up when i hear about our soldiers dying, as i get all welled-up hearing about iraqi citizens being maimed and killed by our "precision" bombing... i also believe that the presence of embedded media should (i say should) mitigate against the standard sorts of war crimes occupying powers tend to commit (e.g., rape)... and i wish we could have a broader discussion of this aspect of the media presence---at some point they cease being mere "observers," as we all know... as wars drag on, we inevitably become inured to the images, as spectators... so far this "war" ( in quotes now), for all of its weaponized immensity, has felt more to me like a large-scale military operation, or series of battles, b/c of the david-goliath aspect and its likely brevity (i say likely)... of course i'm caught no doubt in the past here, and my language probably needs an upgrade (which the pentagon will be more than happy to provide, i know)... is a two-week war a war?---or a massacre?... ok, so let's say it's not a massacre, but if a massacre is not a war---? in any case the effects on combatants, as i think we all know, are far from clear... for that matter, i'll get behind the notion too that pain is pain, and not merely a cultural effect (there's a book on the latter too, btw)... if missiles were dropping on *my* head, i'd probably say it's a war just based on the pain, fuck the lexical distinctions... i can imagine a situation too where i'd have fewer reservations re an attack of iraq by (preferably u.n., but in any case some) military forces---say, 87-88, when hussein was actively committing genocide... i can imagine war, that is, as a woeful but necessary geopolitical measure under specific circumstances... i was reamed on this list some years ago by some---and in fact i understood where this reaming was coming from, as i can only offer here, ever, my own conflicted thoughts about such human and social desperations---for suggesting that, u.n. or no u.n., the u.s. should send troops in to get rid of milosevic---and at this point, based on everything i've read and seen since, i feel somewhat redeemed (really)... in fact, notwithstanding the current u.s. aggression and my opposition to bush & co., i still think the u.s. is a better "regime" than the one "we're" attacking... even in strictly military terms----e.g., you won't see the u.s. using human shields anytime soon... perhaps if i saw first-hand the current carnage we're committing by bombing i'd change my mind, perhaps... but i don't think bush & co., as insidious as they are, are on a par with hussein (or milosevic), oil or no oil... not at this point, anyway, and i hope we never get to a point beyond this point... and those who say that the u.s. has an obligation to get rid of the tyrant we're responsible for bringing to power---well hell, they've got a point, don't they?... again, speaking argumentatively, much as we who are opposed to the war have a point in saying the u.s. is jeopardizing any longer term movement toward global peace... there's a definitive bio out on khrushchev, btw, which indicates that, along with much, much harm, he ultimately did some real good... in short, that he changed as a human being over time, and that his politics changed as a result (or maybe it was the other way 'round?)... tell it to the thousands of thousands he helped to murder under stalin, i know... i'm not a fan, you see, but it's an interesting thought exercise at least to ponder the implications of khrushchev's change of heart (let's say) for current global traumas... i mean, since we're busy pondering and all... i guess, deep down inside, i have a number of conflicting emotions and intellectual quandaries and ethical convictions... i know i'm angered e.g. by the treatment of u.s. pows at present... now, what should i do with this anger?... politically---i don't mean theoretically, i mean to refer to that finite social domain we call politics---i know i have often to act in terms of ones and twos, not sixes and sevens, however tentative my beliefs... apologies for rambling on/// peace, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:02:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Under the Sun | Rachel Levitsky review in Gay City News Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to share a great review of Rachel Levitsky's book from=20 Futurepoem that appears in this weeks Gay City News - a major free=20 weekly in New York City available usually adjacent to Village Voice=20 boxes. And on the Gay City News Web site. http://www.gaycitynews.com/gcn212/everythingisilluminated.html UNDER THE SUN by Rachel Levitsky Futurepoem Books, $12.00 81 pgs www.futurepoem.com Everything is Illuminated Innovative volume ponders romantic, erotic, and existential longing by Phil Hall Rachel Levitsky, founder and curator of the Belladona reading series at=20= New York=92s recently lost Bluestockings Women=92s Bookstore, and author = of=20 four acclaimed poetry chapbooks, has now published her first book=20 entitled Under the Sun. Mixing language and observations that are equal parts challenging,=20 erotic, enigmatic, and playful, Under the Sun is a remarkable tumble=20 through an emotional funhouse where scares, passions and mirth divert=20 us from the ennui and disappointments of everyday life. The poetry in Under the Sun surrounds the union and possible disunion=20 of two women dubbed Lady and Turtle. (Why these women were given such=20 names is never explicitly stated, and perhaps it is a reflection of the=20= intellectual poverty of this critic that I initially envisioned Lady=20 and Turtle along the lines of Maggie Smith and the Japanese movie=20 monster Gamera. But never mind.) There is also a third woman on the=20 periphery named Urt, though her name and exact role in the story are=20 also kept mysterious. Perhaps the real joy of Under the Sun is that it=20= carries the color of a half-told tale, where the reader needs to=20 tighten his thinking cap and piece together the missing pieces within=20 the drama. Yet there is nothing elusive in many of the haunting yet serene images=20= that Levitsky creates here. In =93Skies Are Gray,=94 she finds the = perfect=20 mix of bitterness and rue when realizing time marched on without pity:=20= =93Once upon a time when you flew./Once upon a time before you doubted=20= your agility./Once upon a jigsaw puzzle that concealed the jigsaw path=20= you were gliding upon./At which age your impulse was to protect that=20 which was smaller./When you believe you mattered to a thing if the=20 thing mattered to you./Whereupon your skin was intact, your genitals=20 open.=94 Sapphic interactivity rules in =93To Each Her Own,=94 where Levitsky=20 envisions two girls as one with the stanza: =93Four breasts meet/Eye to=20= Eye/Not satisfied/With seeing=94=97and later in the same poem, the two = main=20 characters reveal their romantic limits: =93Lady is spirited=20 and/Speedy/Turtle is tried by gluttony/Lady=92s gluttony/They speak=20 without words/Without understanding a single/One. Turtle presses down=20 on Lady./Lady watches her now.=94 Going deeper into erotica is the poem titled (appropriately enough)=20 =93Erotica,=94 begins with the amazingly frank lines: =93She tries to = place=20 her hand up a tight ass. It is like putting a square peg in a round=20 hole.=94 Yet the poem quickly drifts out of joys of fisting and=20 hauntingly canvases the room where the passion is playing out. The poet=20= finds and loses track of her playmate of the moment and scans the world=20= around her, finding =93Convex divisions in the wall, on the floor, two=20= and threes/Mates that don=92t match=94. This inventory of decor and=20 architecture culminates in an abrupt return to the reason for her=20 presence: =93Phone lines/Plane lines/Eye line/.=94 Within =93Indulgences: The Penitentiary [Desire!],=94 Levitsky brings = Lady=20 and Urt together in a fascinating word-portrait: =93Positions by the=20 wall. Urt back against it back rubbing, scratching,/climbing. Lady=20 watching her, wanting to approach, wanting to be/ aside, astride,=20 wanting nothing behind or in front, but the body, maybe a bed then.=20 Inspiration, expiration. Some sort of belated,/bleating noise.=94 Threads of absurdist humor lace their way through many of the poems,=20 often as diverting asides. One wonderful turn of fancy finds Lady in=20 kinship with an unlikely literary icon: =93(Hansel and Gretel. = Lady/sides=20 with the witch and/never wears sun block.)=94 There is also a prose poem=20= where one of the women (it is not stated who) unleashes a hot stream of=20= consciousness about her surly yet hunky man next door: =93The Neighbor = is=20 always a problem. He asks questions but remains unmarked, unfixed. She=20= marks him with her irritation. She makes him small. He is six feet=20 five. He acts on a soap. He is an electrician who works at night. He=20 stands in front of the door all day, smoking cigarettes. He drinks=20 non-alcoholic beer. He is buff. He works out everyday, even on Sunday.=94 Levitsky even trots out a pinch of vulgarity in =93Addictions and=20 Neighbors,=94 using simple scatological desires to define a pair of=20 results common at the end of a variety of experiences: =93i wanna be=20 fucked/i wanna be fucked up=94. This slender volume, from the local independent publisher Futurepoem=20 Books, may run the risk of being pigeonholed in the sub-genres of=20 lesbian and/or feminist poetry. Yet Under the Sun is truly a universal=20= celebration of pain, happiness, and the threat of being lost and alone.=20= Levitsky=92s skill with the rapier-sharp edges of language to reach the=20= heart make Under the Sun an illuminating poetic triumph. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:32:34 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: publication announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All, The new issue of ART NEW ENGLAND magazine has hit the stands, galleries, and miscellaneous corner shops. This is the first issue of the magazine to publish poetry - that of Boston poet Mark Lamoureux. Keep your eyes peeled for a copy or visit http://www.artnewengland.com for more details. We are not currently seeking unsolicited submissions; however, polite inquiries or impolite bickerings are always welcome at atieger@yahoo.com. There will be an inaugural reading somewhere in the Boston area sometime in May, featuring Mark Lamoreux, Sean Cole, and Anna Moschovakis. Keep your eyes peeled for more info. Thanks. Aaron Tieger Poetry Editor Art New England ===== "droplets of yes and no in an ocean of maybe" faith no more, "falling to pieces" __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:54:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Silliman comments on his blog-- "It really is the end of a United States that was conceived on the basis of some very grand ideas not so far from here 227 years ago, replaced by a thug state committed only to bullying the world into submission." I can't help thinking of Davy Crockett's West, butchering Mexicans, burning "Indians," 200+ years of institutionalized slavery, tar & feathers, lynchings . . . um . . . surely there's more . . . It ain't all Walden Pond, is what I'm saying. Does anyone really think we just recently took a sharp wrong turn? -Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:05:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's been ugly many a time. But the Wild West was no police state. That's THE sudden sharp wrong turn. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:50:13 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >But the Wild West was no police state. >That's THE sudden sharp wrong turn. Dear Frank, What about the incarceration of Japanese-Americans in WWII? I'm not saying that the current state is right or OK--please don't mistake my intention-- I'm also not opposing idealism, but what I perceive to be a wrong perspective on our Union. -Aaron ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:42:14 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Madness and the Arts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks, Joel. I hope is does more for 'the good name' of the arts than that dreadful movie The Hours Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Joel Weishaus [mailto:weishaus@PDX.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, 25 March 2003 4:45 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Madness and the Arts http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20030322/RVMA DD/TPEntertainment/TopStories ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:42:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: First "MacMobile Diner" Unit Lost South of Baghdad Comments: cc: Brian Stefans In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030324092504.020d4ed8@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable First "MacMobile Diner" Unit Lost South of Baghdad (Gothic News, 03/23) In the first such loss in 21st Century Warfare, McDonald=B9s announced the possible loss of one its franchise MacMobile units after it crossed the border from Kuwait into Iraq. Assigned to an unidentified Third Division Infantry Unit, the coach unit- called "The Mob" by soldiers - lost contact with its satellite guidance system at some point between lunch and dinner. Repeated calls from Franchise Headquarters to the personal cell phone numbers of the three fry cooks and the five cash register attendants still continue to prove futile. On a weekend in which both United States and British forces have faced their first serious Iraqi military opposition =AD including significant casualties =AD McDonald=B9s Corporate officers were reluctant to draw attention to what may only be a lost vehicle temporarily misguided and circling around the flat and desolat= e Iraqi landscape.=20 "Something mostly likely went wrong with the Guidance System which has t= o also simultaneously use its lasers to guide about 300 other MacMobiles. And that, as you know, is a large desert going up to there to Baghdad. The MacMobile coach," the Company Officer went on to say, "is amply supplied with meats, buns, freedom fries and soda. Though we are concerned for employee safety, we are equally worried that the coach might not catch up with their assigned Infantry unit by dinner. No, we are not concerned about the loss of cash flow. The MacMobile Diners are very much apart of the war effort. Reports already are in that the soldier=B9s option to buy non-military, commercial rations has already proved a genuine morale raisin= g benefit to the troops." "What about in Post Iraq?" "Expanding the McDonald=B9s franchise into an Occupied Democratic Iraq is certainly an humanitarian option and we have already received a go-ahead signal from the Pentagon on that one. In fact the Pentagon has already indicated that MacDonald's food services may expand to include both militar= y and civilian populations. Right now, however, our attention is on finding the lost unit consistent with our current main objective which is to make sure 300 mobile Infantry support units do not get lost, stay out of the lin= e of fire, and help keep our troops happy under less than desirable conditions."=20 Though the Mobile Private Concession Initiative was considerably debated when first introduced, the Pentagon successfully persuaded Congress that historically private concessions - from brothels to alcohol as found in descriptions in both the Old and New Testament - have historically been part and parcel of any travelling army. Wendy=B9s and Burger King - it's been learned - are currently in competitive contention with MacDonalds in bids for Mobile Diner contracts included in pre-emptive war plans on schedule fo= r both the Mid- and Far East. No news was yet available at dinnertime in Iraq as to whether or not the MacDonald=B9s mobile unit has yet to be recovered. +++++++ Gothics News Services releases - I am told - may be freely distributed across the WWW. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:44:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Ralph Nader on CommonDreams.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Published on Sunday, March 23, 2003 by CommonDreams.org The Judicially-Selected Dictator's Pre-Emptive War by Ralph Nader As this is written, the campaign known as "shock and awe" has begun over Iraq and the five million civilian inhabitants of Baghdad. Bombs indeed shock, but why the word "awe"? This is Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's way of turning the Iraq bombardment against what he knows is a defenseless country, run by a brutal dictator, into a metaphor for the rest of the world. He wants the whole world in "awe" of the mighty military superpower in preparation for the next move against another country in or outside the "axis of evil". This is truly an extraordinary time in American history. A dozen men and one woman are making very risky consequential decisions sealed off from much muted dissent inside the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA and other agencies that have warned the President and his small band of ideological cohorts to think more deeply before they leap. They are launching our nation into winning a war which generates later battles that may not be winnable - at least not without great economic and human costs to our country. But let's back up a moment. Our founding fathers most emphatically placed the warmaking power in the hands of Congress. They did not want some arrogant or brooding successor to King George III to plunge the country into war. They wanted a collegial body of many elected representatives to decide openly (Article I, section 8). Last year, Congress, with leaders of both Parties, surrendered their warmaking power to George W. Bush. This itself is unlawful. But unfortunately, there is no judicial remedy for any citizen to challenge assigning the warmaking power to the President. Senator Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia) eloquently and repeatedly objected to this constitutional abdication. The large majority of Congress just shrugged. They knew that there was no punishment for this institutional crime. Mr. Bush, on the other hand, was only too eager to strip the Congress of such authority, just as the Attorney General, both by action and by demanding and receiving such crushers of civil liberties as the so-called U.S. Patriot Act, was eager to diminish the role of the judiciary. Having turned our federal system of separation of powers between three branches into a one-branch hegemony, Mr. Bush proceeded to flout the U.N. Charter, which the U.S. mostly drafted and signed on to in 1945. His preemptive war - the first in U.S. history - against a nation that has neither attacked nor threatened our country cannot be construed as self-defense and therefore violates international law. Washington would certainly make exactly this point were another nation in the world to attack a country it finds noxious. Then how do the arguments for going to war that Bush has made endlessly on the mass media for a year, without a steady rebuttal by the cowering Democratic Party, stand up? Bush's assertion that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program is based on evidence that Congressman Henry Waxman called a "hoax." In a blistering letter to the President on March 17th, Congressman Waxman all but called Bush's assertion that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger a lie, citing both the CIA and the International Atomic Energy Agency as his authorities. Neither agency has evidence of a rebuilding nuclear weapons program. President Bush has repeatedly tried to tie Iraq with Al-Qaeda. There is no evidence to support these allegations. The two are mortal enemies - one secular and the other fundamentalist. The CIA informed Congress that confronting a U.S. overthrow attack, our former, supplied ally, Saddam Hussein "probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist actions." Even then, analysts have published articles casting doubt on the efficacy of whatever mass destruction weapons he may have against a modern air and missile attack followed by spread-out armored vehicles racing toward a surrendering army. The UN inspectors found nothing in their forays inside Iraq before Bush stopped their increasing penetration of that regime. On March 18th, the Washington Post, which avidly favors the war, felt obliged to publish a story by two of its leading reporters titled, "Bush Clings to Dubious Allegations About Iraq." The article questioned a "number of allegations" that the Bush administration is making against Iraq that "have been challenged - and in some cases disproved - by the United Nations, European governments and even U.S. intelligence reports." Now that the short war has begun, it is hoped that there will be minimum casualties on both sides. But after the U.S. military prevails, the longer battles during occupation begin. They are fires, disease, hunger, plunder and looting by desperate people and roving gangs, and bloodletting between major religious and ethnic factions. U.S. intelligence agencies say the Iraq war will likely increase global terrorism including inside this country. Respected retired military generals and admirals, such as Marine General Anthony Zinni, believe it will destabilize the Middle East region, undermine the war on terrorism and distract from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "King George" is not listening to them or to other prominent former leaders in the State Department, Pentagon or the major intelligence agencies, including his father's own National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft. This must be the only war in our history promoted by chickenhawks - former belligerent draft dodgers - and opposed by so many of those inside and outside of government who served in the armed forces. Still the Messianic militarist in the White House refuses to even listen - either to opposing viewpoints held by tens of millions of Americans or to viewpoints counseling other non-war ways to achieve the objectives in Iraq. Indeed, he has refused to meet with any domestic antiwar delegation. Groups representing veterans, labor, business, elected city officials, women, clergy, physicians and academics with intelligence experience have written requesting an audience (see www.essentialaction.org). Michael Kinsley is a sober, bright columnist who said that "in terms of the power he now claims, George W. Bush is now the closest thing in a long time to dictator of the world." One might also use a Canadian phrase - an elected dictator. Correction - a judicially-selected dictator. ----------------------------------------- "Simply have no fear - and they will fall This is the key" vox fux --- End Forwarded Message --- :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:47:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Two Readings in San Francisco -- Diane di Prima, Sarah Peters, Nicole Burrows In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TWO READINGS FOR HABENICHT PRESS and SARDINES PRESS FEATURING NEW WORK BY DIANE DiPRIMA, SARAH PETERS, and NICOLE BURROWS TUESDAY, MARCH 25TH AT 7:30 PM (Diane DiPrima and Sarah Peters only) at Modern Times Bookstore www.moderntimesbookstore.com 888 Valencia Street at 20th Street San Francisco, CA 94110 Ph: (415) 282-9246 MONDAY, MARCH, 31ST, AT 7:30 PM (Diane DiPrima, Sarah Peters, and Nicole Burrows) at Moe’s Books 2476 Telegraph Avenue Berkeley CA 94704 (510) 849-2087 moe@moesbooks.com Habenicht Press is a small, independent, chapbook-series press that presents new work by emerging poets and previously unpublished gems by established poets. Its first two chapbooks are Curses and Other Love Poems by Sarah Peters and The Ones I Used To Laugh With – A Haibun Journal by Diane di Prima. The press is edited and published by David Hadbawnik, a poet living in San Francisco. Diane di Prima’s Revolutionary Letters is being reprinted by Last Gasp Press with about thirty new poems dealing with our more recent history. Sarah Peters is a freelance writer and musician. Her work has been published in magazines and anthologies including Abandon Automobile: Detroit City Poetry. Sardines Press, published by San Francisco poet Roger Snell, is pleased to announce the publication of its first book, Odes by Nicole Burrows, a Bay Area poet who has published work in Combo, Skanky Possum, Mungo Vs. Ranger, Big Bridge, Jacket, and Syllogism, among others. BOTH READINGS FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC; CALL 415.221.4272 FOR MORE INFORATION ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:55:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Christopher W. Alexander" Subject: Chicago Arrests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While my friend Matthias Regan was here in Buffalo this weekend to give a poetry reading, his partner, Amy Partridge, was arrested and detained along with approximately 800 other protesters in downtown Chicago. What follows is her account, one of several posted to . Christopher W. Alexander cwa@acsu.buffalo.edu -- Date: Mon, Mar 24, 2003 12:45 -0600 Subject: Chicago Arrests The following is a message from Amy Partridge, who was arrested in Chicago under the Patriot Act while exercising her constitutional rights. Press accounts of these arrests last Thursday are inaccurate: please help us get this message out. Matthias Regan Dear all, I want to warn you all about what happened to hundreds of peaceful protesters, myself included, at the rally and march on Thursday night in downtown Chicago. Both the rally and march were entirely peaceful. I saw not one instance of civil disobedience or aggro behavior. Police escorted us on the March and onto Lake Shore Drive. We were never asked to disperse or threatened with arrest. When police prevented us from marching on Michigan Ave marchers moved on. We were, however, surrounded by hundreds of police a few block later and prevented from leaving. No one around me intended to or wanted to be arrested. Everyone asked to be allowed to leave and disperse. I have since heard this was not how the media reported it but more than once the crowd chanted "let us go" and "we will disperse." The police told individuals who asked that they could leave from some other side of the crowd but in EVERY instance I witnessed this was not the case and no one was allowed to leave, including a 17 year old boy and his 14 year old sister. At first police rushed the crowd and pulled out 10 people at a time. I and everyone around me was arrested despite the fact that we were standing on the sidewalk (not in the street) and that we asked again and again to be allowed to leave since we had done nothing illegal. A cop grabbed me, put me in cuffs, and told me I was being charged with mob action and that I should be glad I was not in Iraq. I have since heard that people were allowed to leave much later but we were told that everyone would be arrested sooner or later. Close to 300 (at least) women were held in custody for hours. I was in custody for over 20 hours. Despite the fact that we were told that we be released as soon as we were processed, I was held in a jail cell from midnight until 4:00 pm the next day. During this time I was not allowed a phone call, not read my rights, and my charge was not explained to me. We were all told numerous times that we would be released on I-Bonds, meaning once we were processed (mug shots taken and finger prints sent to the federal registry) we could sign ourselves out. A friend of mine came to get me at 8:00 am and was told I would be released by noon. By 2:00 she was told I had been "lost" and might not be "found" or released until Monday. When she offered $100 cash at 4:00 (despite the fact that we had been told explicitly numerous times that we did not require bail money) I was "found" and released. Only because a cell phone had been smuggled into my cell block was I able to contact this friend or to hear the news that they were suddenly and inexplicably requiring $100 bail to release us. The police allowed no one to call friends and family to arrange this payment. We were all told that if we got arrested again within 24 hours of signing our bond we would be charged with a FELONY. Waiting parents and friends were told that if we SO MUCH AS SHOWED UP AGAIN AT ANOTHER RALLY we would be charged with a felony. This, of course, cannot be right. But this is the mood of Ashcroft's America. The average age of the arrestees as far as I could tell was between 17-25. No one I met had ever been arrested before or had had any intention of being arrested for civil disobedience Thursday night. At least 3 women that I met were tourists that had gotten trapped in the crowd. This fact was explained both by the women themselves and many of the protesters but they were treated no differently and as far as I know held for the same amount of time as the rest of us. While some the cops were fine, a number threatened us and many ridiculed us. They treated us with disdain and disgust and booked us as though we were terrorists under the new Patriot Act and not peaceful protesters. It was a miserable and shocking experience. This may have been the most egregious response and it may be that no other peaceful protesters will be trapped and arrested as we were. But I recommend if you intend to go to any future protests that you make sure you have a number of a lawyer or the ACLU memorized. I would also suggest that you let someone know you are going and that if you do not call them upon your return that they should check to see if you have been arrested. Those of us that had it worst and were held the longest did not have anyone waiting for us and demanding our release. All the best, Amy Partridge PhD Candidate Performance Studies Northwestern University ------------------ Dear All, I am sending this as a follow-up message. I posted an account of my experience being arrested on www.chicago.indymedia.org along with many other of the arrestees. One of the arresting officers replied to my posting and to others who had responded to it and I include his reply below. The tone of this email was the tone of the entire arresting process. I did and do feel terrorized but I refuse to let this just happen. Please feel free to send on my original account and this cop's (who does not state his name but goes by the moniker "Patriot") response to any one who might be interested. Thank you. All the best, Amy Partridge PhD Candidate Performance Studies Northwestern University You all can't be this dumb!! by Patriotic 12:04am Mon Mar 24 '03 comment#22672 To Amy - 1st of all being arrested is supposed to be a shocking experiance. You should be ashamed and humiliated by your actions that put you in this situtation. Complaining about overcrowded cells? Did you see all the prisoners? What did you expect? A room at the Hilton? Whoever told you would be released once your prints cleared was correct. The problem was all you idiots getting arrested clogged the system. The majority of you were NOT processed by midnight. By 0630 there were still 70 females left to picture and print. Not to mention the 300+ males, all hitting the computers at once, slows it all down. Sorry you didn't enjoy your stay at Chez Grand Central. Peaceful protesters? Take a look at the pics from this site alone! Angry, screaming faces, traffic at a standstill, I only hope that noone died trying to get to Northwestern or St. Joe's Hospital and had to re-route because of your groups actions. Won't that be a nice lawsuit? You're wrong , the ILCS states that if a subject is re-arrested for ANY offense prior to the scheduled court date that they were bonded out for they will be charged for Violation of Bail Bond, and held until their court date. Read your law. Ah no, silly me, you'd rather whine! Class action suit for what? You broke the law, you were arrested. Simple math, even you should be able to figure it out. Every arrestee was handled within the law, just because we treated you like the assholes you were doesn't merit a lawsuit. You are all angry, embarrassed and humiliated. You should be. To Tamera: I had the pleasure of housing you in the "Whore Block". It's not a nice place, it isn't meant to be. But what did you think jail was going to be? Did you expect us to tuck you in your jammies with a pillow and blankie and a mint under your pillow? The jail wasn't re-decorated for your arrival, it's like that everyday. Just be greatful we had it cleaned prior to your arrival. To Luisiana: Understand this. There are no physians on staff in the lockups. Medication is not allowed to be dispensed. You claim to have became ill, you were taken to a medical facility, in handcuffs. You were a prisoner, any prisoner not secured in a cell must be handcuffed. To all of you whining tree-hugging Saddam loving pigs: Before you get involved in something that could land you in jail, know your law. The comments made here only show your ignorance. Someone commented about being read their rights ,none of you were "read" your rights because you were not being questioned about a crime. Stop thinking this is TV. Life is dramatic enough. Know what you're talking about before spouting off. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:57:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . In-Reply-To: <45AD1B66.44982B8F.0080AC7C@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >It's been ugly many a time. But the Wild West was no police state. >That's THE sudden sharp wrong turn. No, maybe not. But look what happened in 1777 to anyone who did not go along with a violent gun battle against the legal regime. -- George Bowering Didn't know a Flanaghan Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:29:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Ralph Nader on CommonDreams.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Those of you who voted for Nader because you couldn't see any differences bertween the political parties might want to ask yourselves if you are complicit in the electing of the madmen who now control our destinies, and who have incidentally trampled on our rights as citizens and on as many environmental protections as they could get away with. It seems to me that given our winner-take-all elections a multi-party system is virtually impossible in the US. To change the parties--to make them more representative of one's opinions--one has to work through the primaries. The most conservative and determined Republicans did this and took over the party, but only because most rank-and-filers don't vote in the primaries. A left-wing, or at least considerably more left-wing, Democratic party is possible--all it would take is a few election cycles in which the furthest left candidate is nominated. Grass-roots organizing, and getting folks to the polls for the primaries. Which would still leave us with the insoluble problem of an archaic constitution, which gives a senatorial voter in Wyoming 68 times as much power as a senatorial voter in California. Mark At 03:44 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Published on Sunday, March 23, 2003 by CommonDreams.org > The Judicially-Selected Dictator's Pre-Emptive War > by Ralph Nader > > As this is written, the campaign known as "shock and awe" has begun >over Iraq and the five million civilian inhabitants of Baghdad. Bombs indeed >shock, but why the word "awe"? This is Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's >way of turning the Iraq bombardment against what he knows is a defenseless >country, run by a brutal dictator, into a metaphor for the rest of the >world. He wants the whole world in "awe" of the mighty military superpower >in preparation for the next move against another country in or outside the >"axis of evil". > > This is truly an extraordinary time in American history. A dozen men >and one woman are making very risky consequential decisions sealed off from >much muted dissent inside the Pentagon, the State Department, the CIA and >other agencies that have warned the President and his small band of >ideological cohorts to think more deeply before they leap. They are >launching our nation into winning a war which generates later battles that >may not be winnable - at least not without great economic and human costs to >our country. > > But let's back up a moment. Our founding fathers most emphatically >placed the warmaking power in the hands of Congress. They did not want some >arrogant or brooding successor to King George III to plunge the country into >war. They wanted a collegial body of many elected representatives to decide >openly (Article I, section 8). > > Last year, Congress, with leaders of both Parties, surrendered their >warmaking power to George W. Bush. This itself is unlawful. But >unfortunately, there is no judicial remedy for any citizen to challenge >assigning the warmaking power to the President. Senator Robert Byrd (D-West >Virginia) eloquently and repeatedly objected to this constitutional >abdication. The large majority of Congress just shrugged. They knew that >there was no punishment for this institutional crime. > > Mr. Bush, on the other hand, was only too eager to strip the >Congress of such authority, just as the Attorney General, both by action and >by demanding and receiving such crushers of civil liberties as the so-called >U.S. Patriot Act, was eager to diminish the role of the judiciary. Having >turned our federal system of separation of powers between three branches >into a one-branch hegemony, Mr. Bush proceeded to flout the U.N. Charter, >which the U.S. mostly drafted and signed on to in 1945. > > His preemptive war - the first in U.S. history - against a nation >that has neither attacked nor threatened our country cannot be construed as >self-defense and therefore violates international law. Washington would >certainly make exactly this point were another nation in the world to attack >a country it finds noxious. > > Then how do the arguments for going to war that Bush has made >endlessly on the mass media for a year, without a steady rebuttal by the >cowering Democratic Party, stand up? Bush's assertion that Iraq is >reconstituting its nuclear weapons program is based on evidence that >Congressman Henry Waxman called a "hoax." In a blistering letter to the >President on March 17th, Congressman Waxman all but called Bush's assertion >that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger a lie, citing both the CIA and the >International Atomic Energy Agency as his authorities. Neither agency has >evidence of a rebuilding nuclear weapons program. > > President Bush has repeatedly tried to tie Iraq with Al-Qaeda. There >is no evidence to support these allegations. The two are mortal enemies - >one secular and the other fundamentalist. The CIA informed Congress that >confronting a U.S. overthrow attack, our former, supplied ally, Saddam >Hussein "probably would become much less constrained in adopting terrorist >actions." Even then, analysts have published articles casting doubt on the >efficacy of whatever mass destruction weapons he may have against a modern >air and missile attack followed by spread-out armored vehicles racing toward >a surrendering army. > > The UN inspectors found nothing in their forays inside Iraq before >Bush stopped their increasing penetration of that regime. > > On March 18th, the Washington Post, which avidly favors the war, >felt obliged to publish a story by two of its leading reporters titled, >"Bush Clings to Dubious Allegations About Iraq." The article questioned a >"number of allegations" that the Bush administration is making against Iraq >that "have been challenged - and in some cases disproved - by the United >Nations, European governments and even U.S. intelligence reports." > > Now that the short war has begun, it is hoped that there will be >minimum casualties on both sides. But after the U.S. military prevails, the >longer battles during occupation begin. They are fires, disease, hunger, >plunder and looting by desperate people and roving gangs, and bloodletting >between major religious and ethnic factions. > > U.S. intelligence agencies say the Iraq war will likely increase >global terrorism including inside this country. Respected retired military >generals and admirals, such as Marine General Anthony Zinni, believe it will >destabilize the Middle East region, undermine the war on terrorism and >distract from the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "King George" is not >listening to them or to other prominent former leaders in the State >Department, Pentagon or the major intelligence agencies, including his >father's own National Security Advisor, Brent Scowcroft. > > This must be the only war in our history promoted by chickenhawks - >former belligerent draft dodgers - and opposed by so many of those inside >and outside of government who served in the armed forces. > > Still the Messianic militarist in the White House refuses to even >listen - either to opposing viewpoints held by tens of millions of Americans >or to viewpoints counseling other non-war ways to achieve the objectives in >Iraq. Indeed, he has refused to meet with any domestic antiwar delegation. >Groups representing veterans, labor, business, elected city officials, >women, clergy, physicians and academics with intelligence experience have >written requesting an audience (see www.essentialaction.org). > > Michael Kinsley is a sober, bright columnist who said that "in terms >of the power he now claims, George W. Bush is now the closest thing in a >long time to dictator of the world." One might also use a Canadian phrase - >an elected dictator. Correction - a judicially-selected dictator. > > > ----------------------------------------- > "Simply have no fear - and they will fall > This is the key" > vox fux >--- End Forwarded Message --- > > >:::::::::::::::::::::::: >Damian Judge Rollison >Dept. of English >University of Virginia >djr4r@virginia.edu >:::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:06:18 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: The Collected Poems of Frank O'Hara (more silliness on my blog) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi friends... I just posted something both dumb and enlightening on my blog, in case you forgot New York could be fun: http://www.arras.net/weblog/ cheers, Brian ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:43:34 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Madness and the Arts MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT As a 'mad' man (angry) and artist I have to say I find this obscene. 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"Not dumped on by the world They won't let you into, Not forgotten by all The ones who did it to you" How Creeley is able to get there, in part due to pronouns, from where the poem seemed to be before that.... Did anybody else have any feelings about that? Chris ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:28:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeff Chester Subject: Re: "Help!" by Robert Creeley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I wish I'd seen the link to this poem when it first appeared on the list. Does anyone out there know where I can find it? -- Jeff >From: Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino >Reply-To: cstroffo@earthlink.net >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: "Help!" by Robert Creeley >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:59:51 -0800 > >Though I don't read much of what's on the list, >to my knowledge no one has commented in any detail about >this poem which was posted to this list (or at least "the link" was) > >Anyway, rereading it again, I just wanted to say I am really getting into >(or "off on") >the "leap" (or "potentially liberating knot") >that occurs at the third-to-last stanza.... > >"Not dumped on by the world >They won't let you into, >Not forgotten by all >The ones who did it to you" > >How Creeley is able to get there, in part due to pronouns, >from where the poem seemed to be before that.... > >Did anybody else have any feelings about that? > >Chris _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 01:51:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: "Stop This Government" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Several people have written to the Buffalo poetics list to thank the listee= s for providing so much valuable information and useful debate on the war against Iraq and the Bush administration policies on civil rights. I couldn=B9t agree more. When you compare the poetics list and what is availabl= e online to mainstream media coverage it is clear that the information gap is widening every moment. A demonstration in Chicago on Thursday led to the arrest of 800. These were not provoked or planned arrests. Another link provided on the list reported on a demonstration in Greece numbering in the hundreds of thousands. These were hardly touched on in mass media reporting= . Michael Moore's courageous statement at the Academy Awards ceremonies last night may well be prophetic. At one point, a Mexican show business professional -worked on =B3Frida=B2- made an anti-war statement and I decided t= o write to Heriberto Yepez (who teaches philosophy in Tijuana, Mexico and who is a poet who recently visited here and read recently in Lytle Shaw's "Drawing Center" poetry series) about this. When Michael Moore won the Osca= r for =B3Bowling for Columbine=B2 (a movie I greatly admired) and made a rousing speech against the war and Bush=B9s illegal coup I wrote to Heriberto again. = I didn=B9t at all expect the answer I received but it made me think. I wrote fo= r his permission to publish it on -fait accompli- (http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/) and on the poetics list. To view =B3The Tijuana Bible of Poetics=B2 go to http://thetijuanabibleofpoetics.blogspot.com/ -Nick- =20 Nick I am writing a blog on the Oscars/Frida/anti-war involvement and I just rea= d your email, and I was also thinking of you when was seeing that-"you" meaning American poets. You need to do something. I don't know what but thi= s is a moment when the intelligent people of America need to do something radical to stop the meaning "America" has now to many many people on the world. Stop this government. Nick I think your community (LangPoe, Post-s, NY, etc) needs to do something visible against this goverment you have. Those protests agains the war in NY are great. That's helping a lot the way the outside world, the media, etc, is seeing what America really is. I think it was Adorno who said what a nation (people/culture) is not what the norm is_does but what opposes that. So I know the Americans are always intelligent. The sleepwalkers need to understand they are not being American, they are damaging not only countries like Iraq and Mexico but als= o America itself. Being a Mexican or being an American or being a Iraqi needs to be being-totally-intelligent. As a reader of contemporary experimental writing and I self-made-expert on wanting to understand what "America" really means, I need to tell you this is the moment experimental writing needs to be socially relevant to your culture. This post 9-11 world is a new Vietnam situation in which writers need to act. In Mexico we had that wake up moment in 1994, with the NAFTA and with the zapatista movement. Even though still we need to wake up even more, because too many Mexican writers and artists are so fucking boring an= d conservative. What would an experimental writer from the best avant gards do in times lik= e this? The Mexican and the American writers and every writer needs to do something, is not enough to be so complex =97 you're complex, get over that fact, go beyond=97 now you have to be so much more than that. Talk with the other langpo peopl= e and beyond them, this is the historical moment when we are going to know if the LangPo and beyond scenes are a real avant garde or just literature-as-usual. You're a person who I respect a lot and I think the American writers can find a way to do something versus the war=97go to the Media or something, put the experimental writing history into real political public debate. Saludos y muchos abrazos, h. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:02:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: "Stop This Government" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Nick and by proxy Heriberto In these polarizing and paralyzing times one of the vaues of the list for me has been it's seeming ability to tolerate ambiguity which is of course a quality of poetry that matters. As an example of this I would give reaction to the flag symbol after 9-11 and tolerance of anti-USCentric thinking in that both sides of these debates must enter into formation of a new us (both lower and uppercase). As I sit here ambiguously in the redneck heartland surrounded by SUV-filled interstates connected the MALLofamericas and bombarded by news headlines paid for by Pillsbury (used as an example here) I realize my human contact on my walking meanders to day consisted of an illegal who had worked for Pilsbury, a 76-year old Black vet of Korea, a Kurd immigrant shopkeeper, and my granddaughter. Akbar lived near here. Al Gore taught a course on community organization here today on community organization but did not teach it to the community but to children of those with the economic and test-taking wherewithall to rise out of the community. Now I relaize I am meandering in my mind but I think this tolerance of ambiguity is the ground out of which a new direction poetically as well as politically might rise. tom bell not yet an acrazied old man but growing moreso ev- ery day ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:59:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Opinion Polls... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ..i never met anyone for this war... ..i never leave this list/house... ..i never talk/see 3/4 of my countryman... ..i know i'm right..everyone i know knows i'm right... ..i know i'm right...everyone i know in a foreign country knows i'm right... ..the enemy is piggish/fascist/militarist/eats BigMacs/ evil/Jewish/American/Republican/Bush/Cabal/ the AntiAmiriBaraka/Nazis ..i know i'm good..i want to Fuck Susan Sarandan.. i know she knows i'm good... ..Andy Warhol where arts thou when we needst thee.. ..i will tolerate only my own dissent.. ..my violence is better than yours & moreover by any mean neccessary...which means by any of MY means neccessary... not yours.. ..i know i'm right...i read it in a book.. that someone who knew i'm right gave me.. and i know he's right because.. ..i know i'm right because i know i'm right.. ..i know i'm right because all my life i've been for truth and justice..and i know i'm right because i'm right ..the other side is propaganda my side is information.. ..the other side lies...Saddam Hussein lies because he has/wants to..this is not a lie or of no consequence... ..by any means neccessary...just not any of your means.. ..they never axed me...they never asked any one i know...my opinion is that your opinion is... ..i'm good 'cause i can demonstrate i'm good..ergo every one i know is good..cause they can demonstrate they're good... ..i know i'm right cause i have quotes on my e-mails..quoting that i'm right.. ..i will tolerate only my own dissent.. that's my opinion.. ..since i'm right...you're wrong... ..it's simple...i'm right.. ..it's simple...i'm right...truth/justice will show up at the door as soon as everyone knows i'm right.. ..i know i'm right...because human history will change when i know i'm right.. ..i'm for better thoughts than you.. ..might shouldn't make right..because i say so..cause i say so...and if i keep saying so.. ..i met a world that isn't this one... ..i know i'm right..i know i know i know ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 02:23:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: 4 works MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MAINSTREAM #0001 "windscreen, by Jupiter! 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:08:48 -0500 Reply-To: adlevy@slought.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Levy Organization: Slought Foundation Subject: FW: Wednesday: "Detente" & "Why We Invade England" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We cordially invite you to the following openings: DETENTE: RUSSIAN CONTEMPORARY ART IN VIDEO FORMAT Work by Oleg Kulik, Leonid Tishkov, AES (Tatyana Arzamasova, Lev Evzovitch, Evgeny Svyatsky), Olga Stolpovskaya Curator: Nina Zaretskaya Reception: Wednesday March 26, 2003; 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm Exhibition Duration: March 26, 2003 to May 26, 2003 Information, film program online: http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=1140 Exhibition and opening reception is free to the public. The Slought Foundation, Philadelphia exhibition "Detente: Russian Contemporary Art in Video Format," curated by Nina Zaretskaya of Moscow-based Art Media Center "TV Gallery," features recent work in video format by noted Russian artists Oleg Kulik, Leonid Tishkov, AES (Tatyana Arzamasova, Lev Evzovitch, Evgeny Svyatsky), and Olga Stolpovskaya. A series of live events and public conversations engaging contemporary Russian art and society will accompany the exhibition. See above web address for press release and film program. ------------------ WHY WE INVADE ENGLAND: ACTS, EDICTS AND DECLARATIONS, 1607-1691 Texts by James I, Oliver Cromwell, Charles II, William III (Prince of Orange), Mary II, British Parliament Curator: Aaron Levy Reception: Wednesday March 26, 2003; 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm Exhibition Duration: March 26, 2003 to May 26, 2003 Information online: http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=1153 Exhibition and opening reception is free to the public. The exhibition "Why We Invade England: Acts, Edicts and Declarations, 1607-1691" features a timely selection of publications from the Stuart Dynasty by James I, Oliver Cromwell, Charles II, William III (Prince of Orange), Mary II, and the British Parliament, evidencing the fragility of power as amassed and imposed through law. The Stuart dynasty reigned in England and Scotland from 1603 to 1714, a period which saw a flourishing Court culture but also much upheaval and instability through plague, fire and war, intense religious debate and radical politics. Items are on loan from the Quinn Collection, North Salem, NY. --------- Slought Foundation provides visionary artists and curators with resources for innovative events and exhibitions. We encourage new discursive futures for contemporary life through critical theory and dialogue about art. Archival Interface: http://slought.org/ For more information, contact: Aaron Levy, Executive Director SLOUGHT FOUNDATION 4017 Walnut Street Philadelphia PA 19104-3513 Ph/fax: 215.746.4239 info@slought.org http://slought.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 04:36:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: The Parents of the Deceased Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , Renee Vaverchak , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We want sweetness in our houses, and to sleep, despite the bellow of these machines embedded in our most sensitive rooms, whose sheets flap emblazoned with the lead stare of invasion. It's over there, they tell me, blowing up and simmering down, until even air coats with corpses, and now this dance of who owns what begins, falling down when we insulate our living rooms against the savor of burned skin, the sound in every tone of conquest: we want their lives to crumple, streak; we want to burn their skies. 2003/03/25 07:23:25 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:53:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Shaner Subject: Re: "Help!" by Robert Creeley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://buffaloreport.com/030301creeley2HELPto.html --On Monday, March 24, 2003, 11:28 PM -0700 "Jeff Chester" wrote: > I wish I'd seen the link to this poem when it first appeared on the list. > Does anyone out there know where I can find it? > > -- > Jeff > > >>From: Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino >>Reply-To: cstroffo@earthlink.net >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: "Help!" by Robert Creeley >>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:59:51 -0800 >> >>Though I don't read much of what's on the list, >>to my knowledge no one has commented in any detail about >>this poem which was posted to this list (or at least "the link" was) >> >>Anyway, rereading it again, I just wanted to say I am really getting into >>(or "off on") >>the "leap" (or "potentially liberating knot") >>that occurs at the third-to-last stanza.... >> >>"Not dumped on by the world >>They won't let you into, >>Not forgotten by all >>The ones who did it to you" >> >>How Creeley is able to get there, in part due to pronouns, >>from where the poem seemed to be before that.... >> >>Did anybody else have any feelings about that? >> >>Chris > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:17:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: [deeplistening] [Fwd: [snowflower] The People of Baghdad] Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, susanlannen@hotmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Subject: [snowflower] The People of Baghdad >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="part1_94.35de4533.2bb1463e_boundary" >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 > >Please go to this website and look at these beautiful people. > >http://www.nationalphilistine.com/baghdad/index2.html > > >Peace, > >Fred -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:30:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Haiku: "Youlipo" and a quote from Holderlin quoted by Heidegger quoted by Mayhew Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Youlipo Instead of all the "e's" why not=20 eliminate all the "I's" and 'me's?" ******* "Wofer Dichter in d=FCrftiger Zeit" What is the poet for in miserable times? -Nick- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:09:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: pmetres Subject: antiwar anthology/Rachel Corrie MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From Gabe Gudding's message, and others, I assume this is an appropriate and timely posting re: the death of Rachel Corrie. "John Bradley, and William Witherup, co-editors of the anti-Iraq war anthology in progress, HOW MANY MILES TO BABYLON, invite all poets to submit an elegy to Rachel Corrie, the courageous young woman from Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington who stood up to an armed Israeli bulldozer in Rafah, Palestine, the West Bank, on Sunday, 16 March, 2003. If you want more information, contact Bill Witherup,co-editor, at moolmool27@msn.com. We're still accepting poems on the war on Iraq. Send poems to John Bradley, 560 Normal Rd., DeKalb, IL 60115. Enclose an SASE. New deadline: April 30, 2003." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:10:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Walt Whitman upcoming events MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Upcoming WW Events: Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Poets of Compassion: Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, and War Poetry Reading, featuring Robert Creeley, Susan Howe and Joan Retallack who will read from their own work. Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 12 noon Panel Discussion featuring Robert Creeley, Ed Folsom, Tyler Hoffman, Susan Howe, and Joan Retallack A propitious event in light of the White House cancellation-- all voices, responses, questions and opinions WELCOME. Check our website, www.waltwhitmancenter.org for a photo of the Center's "little White House", and more details. Come and enjoy this highly knowledgeable yet down-to-earth representation of American poets and scholars as they read and speak about these two beloved innovative American poets. Light brunch reception to follow. Please rsvp. **For those who have read our announcements elsewhere, please note that Galway Kinnell and Lucille Clifton are unable to attend, and subsequent date modifications ************************************* APRIL 2, at 7:30 pm. John Ashbery (a poet for whom new awards must be created) ************************************** Friday, April 25, 2003 at 7:30 pm. SPARROW Poet, gossip columnist, activist of particular and perculiar wit and yes, brilliance! Friday, April 25, 2003 at 7:30 pm. (followed by an open mic and reception) ************************************** Charges for all readings at the Center are $6/$4 seniors/students/free to members unless otherwise noted, i.e. For both the Whitman Dickinson reading and panel discussion: $10/$8 seniors/students/free to members ************************************* Alicia Askenase, Literary Director Walt Whitman Arts Center Johnson Park 2nd and Cooper Streets Camden, NJ 08102 856-964-8300, ext. 103 askliterary@waltwhitmancenter.org www.waltwhitmancenter.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:18:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Daley Subject: LAST POETS/((sublet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm gettin into as of late, a bit o the ole research about the LAST POETS and have found frighteningly little documentation of readings, events, even critical stuff. Anyone have anything to offer? On either or any of the varying recombinations of people who at any time claimed that name, I'm not stuck on any allegiance to the REAL last poets or even the first last poets, just pieces of the members who decided to riff on the coattails of the name/politics (as the name seems to also be the politics), anything? ALSO!! just a quick plug for my NYC summer sublet! I have a nice big 1-bedroom going for the low low price of 900/month (mid-May thru Aug)!, a bit out of the heart of manhattan but really a great neighborhood (Inwood/Riverdale) - it's fer a good cause...i'm organic a-farming this summer and can't afford to unless i can have a few months off rent payments... Rachel Daley --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:49:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: Lakoff on War, Metaphor, and Moral Accounting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Metaphor and War, Again > > George Lakoff, > March 18 2003 > > Metaphors can kill. > > That's how I began a piece on the first Gulf War back in 1990, just > before the war began. Many of those metaphorical ideas are back, but > within a very different and more dangerous context. Since Gulf War II > is due to start any day, perhaps even tomorrow, it might be useful to > take a look before the action begins at the metaphorical ideas being > used to justify Gulf War II. > > One of the most central metaphors in our foreign policy is that A > Nation Is A Person. It is used hundreds of times a day, every time > the nation of Iraq is conceptualized in terms of a single person, > Saddam Hussein. The war, we are told, is not being waged against the > Iraqi people, but only against this one person. Ordinary American > citizens are using this metaphor when they say things like, "Saddam > is a tyrant. He must be stopped." What the metaphor hides, of course, > is that the 3000 bombs to be dropped in the first two days will not > be dropped on that one person. They will kill many thousands of the > people hidden by the metaphor, people that according to the metaphor > we are not going to war against. > > The Nation As Person metaphor is pervasive, powerful, and part of an > elaborate metaphor system. It is part of an International Community > metaphor, in which there are friendly nations, hostile nations, rogue > states, and so on. This metaphor comes with a notion of the national > interest: Just as it is in the interest of a person to be healthy and > strong, so it is in the interest of a Nation-Person to be > economically healthy and militarily strong. That is what is meant by > the "national interest." > > In the International Community, peopled by Nation-Persons, there are > Nation-adults and Nation-children, with Maturity metaphorically > understood as Industrialization. The children are the "developing" > nations of the Third World, in the process of industrializing, who > need to be taught how to develop properly and to be disciplined (say, > by the International Monetary Fund) when they fail to follow > instructions. "Backward" nations are those that are "underdeveloped." > Iraq, despite being the cradle of civilization, is seen via this > metaphor as a kind of defiant armed teenage hoodlum who refuses to > abide by the rules and must be "taught a lesson." > > The international relations community adds to the Nation As Person > metaphor what is called the "Rational Actor Model." The idea here is > that it is irrational to act against your interests and that nations > act as if they were "rational actors" -- individual people trying to > maximize their "gains' and "assets" and minimize their "costs" and > "losses." In Gulf War I, the metaphor was applied so that a country's > "assets" included its soldiers, materiel, and money. Since the US > lost few of those "assets" in Gulf War I, the war was reported, just > afterward in the NY Times Business section, as having been a > "bargain." Since Iraqi civilians were not our assets, they could not > be counted as among the "losses" and so there was no careful public > accounting of civilian lives lost, people maimed, and children > starved or made seriously ill by the war or the sanctions that > followed it. Estimates vary from half a million to a million or more. > However, public relations was seen to be a US asset: excessive > slaughter reported on in the press would be bad PR, a possible loss. > These metaphors are with us again. A short war with few US casualties > would minimize costs. But the longer it goes on, the more Iraqi > resistance and the more US casualties, the less the US would appear > invulnerable and the more the war would appear as a war against the > Iraqi people. That would be a high "cost." > > According to the Rational Actor Model, countries act naturally in > their own best interests -- preserving their assets, that is, their > own populations, their infrastructure, their wealth, their weaponry, > and so on. That is what the US did in Gulf War I and what it is doing > now. But Saddam Hussein, in Gulf War I, did not fit our government's > Rational Actor model. He had goals like preserving his power in Iraq > and being an Arab hero just for standing up to the Great Satan. > Though such goals might have their own rationality, they are > "irrational" from the model's perspective. > > One of the most frequent uses of the Nation As Person metaphor comes > in the almost daily attempts to justify the war metaphorically as a > "just war." The basic idea of a just war uses the Nation As Person > metaphor plus two narratives that have the structure of classical > fairy tales: The Self Defense Story and The Rescue Story. > > In each story, there is a Hero, a Crime, a Victim, and a Villain. In > the Self-Defense story, the Hero and the Victim are the same. In both > stories, the Villain is inherently evil and irrational: The Hero > can't reason with the Villain; he has to fight him and defeat him or > kill him. In both, the victim must be innocent and beyond reproach. > In both, there is an initial crime by the Villain, and the Hero > balances the moral books by defeating him. If all the parties are > Nation-Persons, then self-defense and rescue stories become forms of > a just war for the Hero-Nation. > > In Gulf War I, Bush I tried out a self-defense story: Saddam was > "threatening our oil line-line." The American people didn't buy it. > Then he found a winning story, a rescue story -- The Rape of Kuwait. > It sold well, and is still the most popular account of that war. > > In Gulf War II, Bush II is pushing different versions of the same two > story types, and this explains a great deal of what is going on in > the American press and in speeches by Bush and Powell. If they can > show that Saddam = Al Quaeda -- that he is helping or harboring Al > Qaeda, then they can make a case for the Self-defense scenario, and > hence for a just war on those grounds. Indeed, despite the lack of > any positive evidence and the fact that the secular Saddam and the > fundamentalist bin Laden despise each other, the Bush administration > has managed to convince 40 per cent of the American public of the > link, just by asserting it. The administration has told its soldiers > the same thing, and so our military men see themselves as going to > Iraq in defense of their country. > > In the Rescue Scenario, the victims are (1) the Iraqi people and (2) > Saddam's neighbors, whom he has not attacked, but is seen as > "threatening." That is why Bush and Powell keep on listing Saddam's > crimes against the Iraqi people and the weapons he could use to harm > his neighbors. Again, most of the American people have accepted the > idea that Gulf War II is a rescue of the Iraqi people and a > safeguarding of neighboring countries. Of course, the war threatens > the safety and well-being of the Iraqi people and will inflict > considerable damage on neighboring countries like Turkey and Kuwait. > > And why such enmity toward France and Germany? Via the Nation As > Person metaphor, they are supposed to be our "friends" and friends > are supposed to be supportive and jump in and help us when we need > help. Friends are supposed to be loyal. That makes France and Germany > fair-weather friends! Not there when you need them. > > This is how the war is being framed for the American people by the > Administration and media. Millions of people around the world can see > that the metaphors and fairy tales don't fit the current situation, > that Gulf War II does not qualify as a just war -- a "legal" war. But > if you accept all these metaphors, as Americans have been led to do > by the administration, the press, and the lack of an effective > Democratic opposition, then Gulf War II would indeed seem like a just > war. > > But surely most Americans have been exposed to the facts -- the lack > of a credible link between Saddam and al Quaeda and the idea that > large numbers of innocent Iraqi civilians (estimates are around > 500,000) will be killed or maimed by our bombs. Why don't they reach > the rational conclusion? > > One of the fundamental findings of cognitive science is that people > think in terms of frames and metaphors -- conceptual structures like > those we have been describing. The frames are in the synapses of our > brains -- physically present in the form of neural circuitry. When > the facts don't fit the frames, the frames are kept and the facts > ignored. > > It is a common folk theory of progressives that "The facts will set > you free!" If only you can get all the facts out there in the public > eye, then every rational person will reach the right conclusion. It > is a vain hope. Human brains just don't work that way. Framing > matters. Frames once entrenched are hard to dispel. > > In the first Gulf War, Colin Powell began the testimony before > Congress. He explained the rational actor model to the congressmen > and gave a brief exposition of the views on war of Clausewitz, the > Prussian general: War is business and politics carried out by other > means. Nations naturally seek their self-interest, and when > necessary, they use military force in the service of their > self-interest. This is both natural and legitimate. > > To the Bush administration, this war furthers our self-interest: > controlling the flow of oil from the world's second largest known > reserve, and being in the position to control the flow of oil from > central Asia as well. These would guarantee energy domination over a > significant part of the world. The US could control oil sales around > the world. And in the absence of alternative fuel development, > whoever controls the distribution of oil throughout the world > controls politics as well as economics. > > My 1990 paper did not stop Gulf War I. This paper will not stop Gulf > War II. So why bother? > > I think it is crucially important to understand the cognitive > dimensions of politics -- especially when most of our conceptual > framing is unconscious and we may not be aware of our own > metaphorical thought. I have been referred to as a "cognitive > activist" and I think the label fits me well. As a professor, I do > analyses of linguistic and conceptual issues in politics, and I do > them as accurately as I can. But that analytic act is a political > act: Awareness matters. Being able to articulate what is going on can > change what is going on - at least in the long run. > > This war is a symptom of a larger disease. The war will start > presently. The fighting will be over before long. Where will the > anti-war movement be then? > > First, the anti-war movement, properly understood, is not just, or > even primarily, a movement against the war. It is a movement against > the overall direction that the Bush administration is moving in. > Second, such a movement, to be effective, needs to say clearly what > it is for, not just what it is against. > > Third, it must have a clearly articulated moral vision, with values > rather than mere interests determining its political direction. > > As the war begins, we should look ahead to transforming the anti-war > movement into a movement that powerfully articulates progressive > values and changes the course of our nation to where those values > take us. The war has begun a discussion about values. Let's continue > it. > > George Lakoff is the author of "Moral Politics: How Liberals and > Conservatives Think," University of Chicago Press, Second edition, > 2002. He is Professor of Linguistics at the University of California > at Berkeley and a Senior Fellow of the Rockridge Institute. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:52:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: Re: "Stop This Government" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable must write quickly, but with time of the essence and none to lose i'd like to add quickly that heriberto is quite right in his call and poets of whatever stripe might respond best by first imagining outside of "poet" and its assumed responsibilities (not sure what those are exactly, but quickly): "go to the media or something," and yes that's a difficult task, and which media? and how? -- there are university cable channels, for example, and UCSD comm. dept. (just one of my affiliations) for one is currently trying to design/deliver programming to then tape and deliver to classrooms, etc. -- but generally, "to be so much more than that" and to "put the experimental writing history into real political public debate" are grand notions, idealized wasy of i think saying that finding ways to maneuver and manifest, as poet, as poetry, is now more important, perhaps has been for a while, than being a poet and finding a way to make poetics matter -- what's been going here on poetics as Nick says is great and the leads *out* to alternative sources has been amazing -- i'm hopeful that those here are probably *doing* what heriberto calls for and should continue in that multilateral direction of operating channels of communication, poet-wise or otherwise, as much as possible=20 sorry for choppy sloppy -- have to deliver kids to school bill -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Piombino Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 10:52 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: "Stop This Government" Several people have written to the Buffalo poetics list to thank the listees for providing so much valuable information and useful debate on the war against Iraq and the Bush administration policies on civil rights. I couldn=B9t agree more. When you compare the poetics list and what is available online to mainstream media coverage it is clear that the information gap is widening every moment. A demonstration in Chicago on Thursday led to the arrest of 800. These were not provoked or planned arrests. Another link provided on the list reported on a demonstration in Greece numbering in the hundreds of thousands. These were hardly touched on in mass media reporting. Michael Moore's courageous statement at the Academy Awards ceremonies last night may well be prophetic. At one point, a Mexican show business professional -worked on =B3Frida=B2- = made an anti-war statement and I decided to write to Heriberto Yepez (who teaches philosophy in Tijuana, Mexico and who is a poet who recently visited here and read recently in Lytle Shaw's "Drawing Center" poetry series) about this. When Michael Moore won the Oscar for =B3Bowling for Columbine=B2 (a movie I greatly admired) and made a rousing speech = against the war and Bush=B9s illegal coup I wrote to Heriberto again. I didn=B9t = at all expect the answer I received but it made me think. I wrote for his permission to publish it on -fait accompli- (http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/) and on the poetics list. To view =B3The Tijuana Bible of Poetics=B2 go to http://thetijuanabibleofpoetics.blogspot.com/ -Nick- =20 Nick I am writing a blog on the Oscars/Frida/anti-war involvement and I just read your email, and I was also thinking of you when was seeing that-"you" meaning American poets. You need to do something. I don't know what but this is a moment when the intelligent people of America need to do something radical to stop the meaning "America" has now to many many people on the world. Stop this government. Nick I think your community (LangPoe, Post-s, NY, etc) needs to do something visible against this goverment you have. Those protests agains the war in NY are great. That's helping a lot the way the outside world, the media, etc, is seeing what America really is. I think it was Adorno who said what a nation (people/culture) is not what the norm is_does but what opposes that. So I know the Americans are always intelligent. The sleepwalkers need to understand they are not being American, they are damaging not only countries like Iraq and Mexico but also America itself. Being a Mexican or being an American or being a Iraqi needs to be being-totally-intelligent. As a reader of contemporary experimental writing and I self-made-expert on wanting to understand what "America" really means, I need to tell you this is the moment experimental writing needs to be socially relevant to your culture. This post 9-11 world is a new Vietnam situation in which writers need to act. In Mexico we had that wake up moment in 1994, with the NAFTA and with the zapatista movement. Even though still we need to wake up even more, because too many Mexican writers and artists are so fucking boring and conservative. What would an experimental writer from the best avant gards do in times like this? The Mexican and the American writers and every writer needs to do something, is not enough to be so complex =97 you're complex, get over that fact, go beyond=97 now you have to be so much more than that. Talk with the other langpo people and beyond them, this is the historical moment when we are going to know if the LangPo and beyond scenes are a real avant garde or just literature-as-usual. You're a person who I respect a lot and I think the American writers can find a way to do something versus the war=97go to the Media or = something, put the experimental writing history into real political public debate. Saludos y muchos abrazos, h. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:48:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: pmetres Subject: Re: media coverage MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Folks, Joe Amato's point about the possibility that embedded media will have an ameliorating impact on the conduct of war (aka trying to limit atrocities) may be true, but it is also perhaps overstated, since these journalists will not be allowed free access by any means (and, reports from alt media sources suggest the usual intimidations by the Pentagon are in full force). And yet, it is clear that the Pentagon is conducting the war in such a way (to its credit, but this is only *so far*) so as to limit civilian casualties. Whether that is due to the alternative media (al-Jazeera tv, internet, etc.) is difficult to ascertain, but certainly it plays a role. This is a crucial difference from the previous Gulf War, in which U.S./Allied forces attacked civilian infrastructure with impunity (never mind what they're saying now--they attacked electrical grids, water filtration plants, the works--which led to a horrific humanitarian crisis due to water-borne disease). Phil Metres ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:15:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: dr my2mh In-Reply-To: <00b301c2f2e6$1e0d8e80$75fdfc83@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dr my2mh 2 th SFst sT. to mself & old hbit. its wrk - th LMmings r stffd in my clst & uder the intrmzzo pase/ i ctch smeof th fner pints af BRTHIN. brded espstli cmmnts: Opras hevin 4 mshpen thngs.... thse2 alwys stmB mE> lk do-u bil ur sctin w/o cntius preemtiv ovRsund. tht gry clw tht gthrs ultr cnsstinsee to mrrgied or mnged mltdns &stril CCHrnobiolisn rd dts. th ho cres arctyp f dunk the sprmwns ths 1 4 th gpr-grupr-tkg tnA& sngng wals- th nds nr thy tmblg dwn tmblg dwn>th lmmgs incse acrss th itlizd sctn f mi lfe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:10:36 PST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ashley D. Edwards" Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Rachal, I know there's a book entitled "On a Mission: Selected Poems and a History of the Last Poets" by Aboidun Oyewole. Here is a link of Last Poets links that I have found. http://www.fsbassociates.com/books/poets.htm http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/LAST-POETS/last_poets1.html I haven't looked up anything the Last Poets in a while, so I don't know that much about the more obscure or recent poets involved in the movement. Good luck! I hope this helps. Ashley ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:12:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: Re: media coverage In-Reply-To: <3E7CC64D@webmail> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It doesn't fucking matter. The DOD is shutting down all alt media that are provided information of substance. Look... (and if you want to see real absolutely fucking revolting footage go to ogresh and see everything you want that won't be shown on MSNBC, FOX TV, CNN or any other I'M FUCKING RUMSFELD, CHENEY, BUSH AND TOMMY FRANKS TV) Subject: FC: YellowTimes.org web site shut down for photo of US POW [YellowTimes said that their hosting provider, Vortech Hosting, pulled the plug because of pressure from its upstream provider, Level3.net. Ogrish.com has posted a far more disturbing video clip and hasn't received any threats yet (at least as of mid-afternoon). --Declan] QUESTION: Not to raise a ruckus or anything, but isn't Heriberto's suggestion counter to Charles' ENOUGH! Just asking... -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of pmetres Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:48 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: media coverage Folks, Joe Amato's point about the possibility that embedded media will have an ameliorating impact on the conduct of war (aka trying to limit atrocities) may be true, but it is also perhaps overstated, since these journalists will not be allowed free access by any means (and, reports from alt media sources suggest the usual intimidations by the Pentagon are in full force). And yet, it is clear that the Pentagon is conducting the war in such a way (to its credit, but this is only *so far*) so as to limit civilian casualties. Whether that is due to the alternative media (al-Jazeera tv, internet, etc.) is difficult to ascertain, but certainly it plays a role. This is a crucial difference from the previous Gulf War, in which U.S./Allied forces attacked civilian infrastructure with impunity (never mind what they're saying now--they attacked electrical grids, water filtration plants, the works--which led to a horrific humanitarian crisis due to water-borne disease). Phil Metres ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:18:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) In-Reply-To: <11488104@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed well, there's the "Original Last Poets," the "Last Poets" etc. -- they appear in a scene in that gawdawful movie POETIC JUSTICE with Janet Jackson -- There were at least 3 LPs of their work, and they did the soundtrack for a Blacksploitation flick, or appeared in it, I forget which -- One consequence of being old enough to remember the Last Poets is being old enough to forget the Last Poets -- Felipe Luciano was part of the group early on,,,, At 08:10 AM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Rachal, > I know there's a book entitled "On a Mission: Selected Poems and a > History of >the Last Poets" by Aboidun Oyewole. Here is a link of Last Poets links that I >have found. > >http://www.fsbassociates.com/books/poets.htm > >http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/LAST-POETS/last_poets1.html > >I haven't looked up anything the Last Poets in a while, so I don't know that >much about the more obscure or recent poets involved in the movement. > >Good luck! I hope this helps. > >Ashley <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:27:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: White House is controlling Press pravda-like Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/wh-approval.htm News Media Let White House Approve and Change Quotes in Articles >>> If you need further, incontrovertible proof that the mainstream news media have allowed themselves to become so compromised that they are essentially the government's Ministry of Information, check out the following letter from a Washington Post reporter. It was sent to Poynter Online, a news and opinion Website about the media for the media. 3/13/2003 2:41:44 PM Posted By: Jim Romenesko From JONATHAN WEISMAN, Economics Writer, Washington Post:In the wake of Seymour Hersh's open statements about the way the White House treats the press, I feel compelled to relate a personal story that illustrates how both the White House and the press have allowed manipulation of the printed word in Washington to get out of hand. This is a bit of a confession as well as an appeal to the White House and my fellow reporters to rethink the way journalism is practiced these days.Recently, I was working on a profile of the now-departed chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, R. Glenn Hubbard. I dutifully went through the White House press office to talk to an administration economist about Hubbard's tenure, and a press office aide helpfully got me in touch with just the person I wanted. The catch was this: The interview would be off the record. Any quotes I wanted to put into the newspaper would have to be e-mailed to the press office. If approved, the quotation could be attributed to a White House official. (This has become fairly standard practice.)Since the profile focused on Hubbard's efforts to translate relatively arcane macroeconomic theory into public policy, the quote I wanted referenced the president's effort to end the double taxation of dividends: "This is probably the most academic proposal ever to come out of an administration." The press office said it was fine, but the official wanted a little change. Instead, the quote was to read, "This is probably the purest, most far reaching economic proposal ever to come out of an administration." I protested that the point of the quote was the word "academic," so the quote was again amended to state, "This is probably the purest, most academic, most far reaching economic proposal ever to come out of an administration."What appeared in the Washington Post was, "This is probably the purest, most academic ... economic proposal ever to come out of an administration." What followed was an angry denunciation by the White House press official, telling me I had broken my word and violated journalistic ethics.I had, of course, violated journalistic ethics, by placing into quotation marks a phrase that was never uttered by the source, ellipses or no ellipses. I had also played ball with the White House using rules that neither I nor any other reporter should be assenting to. I think it is time for all of us to reconsider the way we cover the White House. If administration officials want to speak off the record, they are off the record. If they are on background as an administration official, I suppose that's the best we can expect. But the notion that reporters are routinely submitting quotations for approval, and allowing those quotes to be manipulated to get that approval, strikes me as a step beyond business as usual. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:32:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An LP by Melvin Van Peebles &, of course, several by Gil Scott Heron, = contemporaneous to early Last Poets LP's, open this range of poetry. I = vividly recall Gwendolyn Brooks insisting that we pay close attention to = Van Peeble's poem/LP cut "Lily Do the Zampougi Every Time I Pull Her = Coattails." I can come up with the LP title if you're in need of this = detail. Is there a CD or LP of Haki Mahadbuti/Don Lee reading work from = the "Don't Cry, Scream" era? JL -----Original Message----- From: Aldon Nielsen [mailto:aln10@PSU.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:19 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) well, there's the "Original Last Poets," the "Last Poets" etc. -- they appear in a scene in that gawdawful movie POETIC JUSTICE with Janet Jackson -- There were at least 3 LPs of their work, and they did the soundtrack for a Blacksploitation flick, or appeared in it, I forget = which -- One consequence of being old enough to remember the Last Poets is = being old enough to forget the Last Poets -- Felipe Luciano was part of the = group early on,,,, At 08:10 AM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Rachal, > I know there's a book entitled "On a Mission: Selected Poems and a > History of >the Last Poets" by Aboidun Oyewole. Here is a link of Last Poets links = that I >have found. > >http://www.fsbassociates.com/books/poets.htm > >http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/LAST-POETS/last_poets1.html > >I haven't looked up anything the Last Poets in a while, so I don't know = that >much about the more obscure or recent poets involved in the movement. > >Good luck! I hope this helps. > >Ashley <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:40:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: subrosa@SPEAKEASY.ORG Subject: Seattle Subtext for April Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with readings by kari edwards and Rebecca Brown at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, April 2, 2003. Suggested donations for admission are $5 at the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New Langton Art’s Bay Area Award in literature (2002), author of A day in the life of p., and A diary of lies, editor of Electric Spandex: anthology of writing the queer text. She is also the poetry editor of I.F.G.E’s Transgender - Tapestry. Her work has been exhibited throughout the US, including Denver Art Museum, New Orleans Contemporary Art Museum, University of California - San Diego, and University of Massachusetts - Amherst. Work has appeared in a many journals including: Mirage/Period(ical), Van Gogh’s Ear, Avoid Strange Men, Bird Dog, RealPoetik, and Raised in a Barn. Rebecca Brown is the author of numerous books, most recently The End of Youth(City Lights, May 2003). She has also written a play, The Toaster which she hopes will be produced by New City Theater in Seattle either this fall or next winter. She teaches in the MFA low residency at Goddard College in Vermont and at the Hugo House in Seattle. Her work has been translated alot. The future Subtext 2003 schedule is: May 7 - Rae Armantrout (from San Diego) and David Bromige (from Bay Area) June 4 - Allison Cobb (from NYC), Jen Coleman (from NYC), Sarah Mangold July 2 - Subtext 9th Anniversary Group Reading For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/subtext. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:42:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: coverage of media coverage In-Reply-To: <005501c2f2e9$545036c0$a3175581@rockefeller.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" thanx phil, and i take anastasios' point too... the media narrativizing of this war is certainly (and inexorably) moralizing (to borrow from hayden white many years ago now), and in any case i find the more gung-ho aspects regrettable in the extreme... one general this morning at a press briefing gave me pause: "the media is reality"... no doubt if you're "embedded" with the troops it's difficult too not to partake of the general machismo... (even more innocent slips are contextualized in unhelpful ways: e.g., judy woodruff accidentally saying, wrt the families of pows, something like "it must be torture to know..." and then a few moments later, to her credit, realizing the blunder and correcting herself on camera)... but here you go: yesterday ms-nbc did a focus group thing, where they interviewed approx. 10 of what looked to be (to my biased western eye), by and large, middle-class egyptians... they were asked what they thought of the war, and to a person explained (in english!), quite cogently i thought, how and why they felt the u.s. was making a huge mistake (for all of the reasons discussed hereabouts)... one person said something i couldn't agree with---to wit, 'that if the iraquis want to rid themselves of hussein, that's up to them'---but (get this) when the interviewer later tried to argue, with the moderator, that all the u.s. needed to do evidently was better "educate" the arab world, another reporter (wish i could recall her name) countered by saying that this wasn't a matter of "educating" other countries, that the u.s. would not easily be able to pr their way out of this... on ms-nbc, again, and i think this was around 4:30 est... granted, too much of the reportage---and the framing for same (e.g., before commercial interruption)---is inexorably u.s.-govt.-centered, sensationalistic... it would be difficult of course to imagine the news agencies of this country taking a stand AGAINST our troops (right?)... but it would be nice if there were more reportage of iraqi casualties (one could argue at this point, *any* reportage of same)... i liked what michael moore said/did btw at the oscars, yet was struck by chris matthews referring to moore (yesterday, the first "hardball" since the war started) as not yet "housebroken" (ugh, what a thing to say), and going on to praise adrian brody's more moderate plea for peace (which i liked too, for that matter)... perhaps a lesson here in the reception of different kinds of critiques---personally, i'm all for both, but perhaps a lesson here nonetheless... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:19:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aldon Nielsen Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) In-Reply-To: <80C1CDD1883C95448C7AF90BCBCD9B1AE9FCC4@MSG00CV00.utad.utol edo.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Van Peebles piece was from his show titled, I think I remember, Ain't Supposed to Die a Natural Death -- There was, believe it or not, a video production of this that aired on public TV -- There was a Madhabuti LP with music -- can't recall the title right off -- Don't think it's currently available on CD -- probably can be found in the used music market Most of the Scott Heron is back in circulation, as are his two novels! the Motown Baraka has never been reissued that I am aware -- as is to be expected, the more adventurous poetry of the era remains hard to come by -- there were, for instance, 2 LPs that included N.H. Pritchard! ever heard "ASWELAY"? At 11:32 AM 3/25/2003 -0500, Lipman, Joel A. wrote: >An LP by Melvin Van Peebles &, of course, several by Gil Scott Heron, >contemporaneous to early Last Poets LP's, open this range of poetry. I >vividly recall Gwendolyn Brooks insisting that we pay close attention to >Van Peeble's poem/LP cut "Lily Do the Zampougi Every Time I Pull Her >Coattails." I can come up with the LP title if you're in need of this >detail. Is there a CD or LP of Haki Mahadbuti/Don Lee reading work from >the "Don't Cry, Scream" era? >JL > >-----Original Message----- >From: Aldon Nielsen [mailto:aln10@PSU.EDU] >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:19 AM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) > > >well, there's the "Original Last Poets," the "Last Poets" etc. -- > >they appear in a scene in that gawdawful movie POETIC JUSTICE with Janet >Jackson -- There were at least 3 LPs of their work, and they did the >soundtrack for a Blacksploitation flick, or appeared in it, I forget which >-- One consequence of being old enough to remember the Last Poets is being >old enough to forget the Last Poets -- Felipe Luciano was part of the group >early on,,,, > >At 08:10 AM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > >Rachal, > > I know there's a book entitled "On a Mission: Selected Poems and a > > History of > >the Last Poets" by Aboidun Oyewole. Here is a link of Last Poets links > that I > >have found. > > > >http://www.fsbassociates.com/books/poets.htm > > > >http://www.math.buffalo.edu/~sww/LAST-POETS/last_poets1.html > > > >I haven't looked up anything the Last Poets in a while, so I don't know that > >much about the more obscure or recent poets involved in the movement. > > > >Good luck! I hope this helps. > > > >Ashley > ><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >"Just so - Jesus - raps" > --Emily Dickinson > > > >Aldon Lynn Nielsen >George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature >Department of English >The Pennsylvania State University >116 Burrowes >University Park, PA 16802-6200 > >(814) 865-0091 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Just so - Jesus - raps" --Emily Dickinson Aldon Lynn Nielsen George and Barbara Kelly Professor of American Literature Department of English The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:45:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: wlI knw In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030325121525.00a709f8@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wlI knw al mst @th tp f insnity dwn th grzzi hlls 2 a floresint postn -fozn > a ptch. undnth whls m/onn - a plstc glbe s crshd - (-)2 th chep meta4 - spntanus cmbusin evywhr -the2nd &3d hrsless hedmn arrve - al aper btwn the nw lamnts & ded pictres - nwhr s a wrn nmbr. humniti hgsup >th wht het f thnw eltic crd and smuth curissss. bt wat mst b a zpper 2 ths/ a frnt to th mutpictin tbls. th hssng zond f senul ignanc----> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:50:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Viz-Ops Shifts Media Point of View in Iraq Comments: cc: Brian Stefans In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030325121525.00a709f8@email.psu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Viz-Ops Shifts Media Point of View in Iraq (Gothic News Service, 03/25) Viz-Ops =AD the White House/Pentagon organizatio= n in Iraq responsible for still photography and cinematic site management - has withdrawn its Cecil B. De Mille group from Media control of ground operations. The De Mille group - with an expertise in ancient Biblical and desert landscapes - was responsible for training and embedding network and cable film crews to shoot from inside Bradley tanks as they rolled into Iraq. In off-the-record remarks, Jay Cagney, Viz-Ops new Director, revealed that the DeMille group achieved exactly what Command wanted in the visual capture of sublime and enduring patriotic views of hundreds of American tanks cruising in formation across the desert towards Baghdad =AD while no doubt simultaneously terrifying possible enemy resistance. These lead caravan images paired spectacularly with T.V. images of the golden clouds that lifted and hung radiantly over Baghdad during the first Air Force strikes on the City. Like a great symphony, it was a first class overture and feed to networks around the world." Replacing the DeMille Group is B-Movie Enterprises (B-ME), a Culver City= , California Group noted for its expertise in re-mixing fresh 35MM Prints of Thirties classics with remakes that already include Angels with Dirty Faces= , Little Caesar, The Public Enemy and Dead End - titles that Viz-Ops suggest= s prophesy conflict conditions and prospects in cities through out Iraq. "As troops now face house-to-house urban warfare," Cagney continued, "Viz-Ops has asked B-ME to provide Network and Cable film crews with review training in panning roof jumps, interior black and white shots, up-close weapon manipulation, and, most important, the skills required to portray urban combat personnel with a sophisticated, non-stressed appearance of accomplishing immediate objectives while keeping an overall grasp of their difficult mission. Viz-Ops is also studying the Bruce Lee=B9s Kung Fu film techniques as well as the urban feel of Spike Lee=B9s works =AD though it is already understood approaches of both these filmmakers may present problems for Fox Network=B9s viewers at the white male right and center." When asked about the finale of the war, particularly images of surrender and liberation, Cagney said, "That will require another kind of expertise and represents the huge challenge to balance the arrest of combatants with Iraqi joy at liberation from the grips of Saddam. We obviously have to make the Iraqi surrender as cordial as possible. Soldiers will have to do a quick turn around from fight-mode to a stance of generous care including medical and nutrition support. Viz-Ops is currently studying community scenes in Broadway Musicals =AD everything from West Side Story to Chorus Line. The War Finale and it=B9s opening to U.S Occupation has to be uplifting= , hopeful and optimistic for everyone." The Pentagon refused to characterize Cagney=B9s off-the-record remarks other than to say, "It would be totally erroneous to have Viz-Ops=B9 work interpreted in a cynical manner. These are the lives of young American men and women soldiers who are at war with a ruthless dictator bent on creating harm and terror across the world. Media Images of this conflict and the portrayal of our peaceful objectives remain at the heart of our business." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:55:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I remember a big show of the (new) Last Poets at MIT about five or six years ago. I think it may have been part of some sort of conference, although I'm not sure--but there was a rather lengthy introduction/talk about them, so there might be someone at MIT worth hunting down... ---noah ________________________________________________ I like Moudry. But I don't know what it's doing. ________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:36:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Lakoff on War, Metaphor, and Nation as Poet Metaphor MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Poetry slam on CNN Saddam 4 Bush 2 All-star break high-noon tomorrow is it media embeded or media in bed? tom bell not yet acrazied ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:58:08 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michael helsem Subject: the fight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed fangs of language form let the wax tadpole bite back let such wrong adverbs as can lame imperial verbs as can edicts frolic --------------------------------------------- GREED IS GOOD. GOD IS GREAT. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:30:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Reading Announcement (Humbolt State) Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At the wonderfully odd chance of anyone on this list living near Arcata (Humboldt County, California), I will be reading tomorrow - Wednesday - evening at Humbolt State University in Founders Hall at 8 o'clock. It will be great see anyone in vicinity. Thanks, Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:11:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] Letter from Iraq Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >---------- >From: "David Diamond" >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:18:02 -0500 >To: "Seacoast Area Peace Activist Mailing List" >Subject: Dear Friends > >>From Portsmouth resident Yasmin Alani yasminj@earthlink.net: >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Dear Friends' > >Our family are well, thank you God. > >Today , as I watched Aljezira for a long time , there weren't any >pictures of casualties. >It is not that there are NO casualties ... It is just that Rumsfeld >doesn't want it to be on TV. > >As he accused Aljazira channel yesterday ... that it is " immoral >and illegal" to show pictures of POW. >And today, they've prevented an Aljezira reporter from reporting >from the wall street ! > >So today, Aljezira was on the defensive side. >They said that, if you think that showing POW on TV is wrong, then >why did the US government not complain as CNN showed pictures of >Iraqi POW first this year ... and Iraqi POW during 1991 as they were >surrendering to the American solders ... and when they showed John >Walker being Questioned while injured ... and worst of all , the >terrible treatment of the POW / Detainees / unlawful combatant , in >Guantanamo Bay ? > >We have a say in Arabic that says : > >Don't through rocks on others, if your house is made of glass . >I pray to God that those boys return safe to their families, but I >think that Rumsfeld and Bush, are the last ones who should speak >about human rights. > > >After midnight, Mousil was bombarded heavily, in town and the >surrounding areas. >And Baghdad too. >Ten people Dead and 196 wounded in Baghdad as a result of the >bombing last night. >I saw pictures in another Arabic station of an injured girl at the >hospital in Baghdad , saying that their house has fallen down on >them because their house was old , and could not take it as the >earth shook because of the bombing. > >The hospitals in Baghdad have received 500 people since the war started. > >In Basra there was a fierce fighting between UM Quasar and Alzubair Bridge. >Basra city was attacked ... 33 dead and 98 wounded. > >And the worst is yet to come. > >This does not mean that we should give up hope. >It just means that we should keep on working. > >God help us all. > >I leave you all in peace. > >Yasmin > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >ADVERTISEMENT > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:51:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: the fight Comments: cc: Wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit embedded journalists equalling in bed with troops saying "we" > fangs of language form > let the wax tadpole bite back > > let such wrong adverbs > as can lame imperial > > verbs as can edicts frolic > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > GREED IS GOOD. GOD IS GREAT. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:24:14 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon dudgeon (DUHJ-uhn) noun A feeling of anger, resentment, indignation, etc. [Of unknown origin.] "Germany's trade unions are in a state of considerable dudgeon about plans to cut state spending and squeeze the welfare state. The dudgeon will grow if more deficit-cutting consigns more of their members to the ranks of the unemployed." Brian Beedham, Why Kohl Should Accept Postponement of Monetary Union, The International Herald Tribune (France), Apr 8, 1997. "And in the Labyrinth Theater Company's beautifully cast production, which has been brazenly directed in the spirit of high dudgeon by Philip Seymour Hoffman, they are often hilarious as well." Bruce Weber, Throwing a Hissy Fit to Ease the Pain, The New York Times, Oct 3, 2002. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND You? Reach more than half-million readers -- contact us at sponsor@wordsmith.org. ............................................................................ Love is like an hourglass, with the heart filling up as the brain empties. -Jules Renard, writer (1864-1910) Q: What is your privacy policy? A: AWAD mailing list addresses are never sold, rented, leased, traded, swapped, exchanged, or bartered to anyone. We don't like to receive junk mail, and know you don't either. Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/dudgeon.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/dudgeon.ram ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:24:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Guys- Give me a break. George, what's your point? Aaron, of course- the Japanese-American internment. Still, the USA's never been an ocean-to-ocean police state for all its citizens. This is our near present & our dark future. If it doesn't bother you because it's just one more blip on the injustice screen...so be it. Frank Frank ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:25:17 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20030325121525.00a709f8@email.psu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no, Ive never even heard of NH Pritchard... can you say more Aldon? On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, at 11:19 AM, Aldon Nielsen wrote: > > as is to be expected, the more adventurous poetry of the era remains > hard > to come by -- there were, for instance, 2 LPs that included N.H. > Pritchard! ever heard "ASWELAY"? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 14:51:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: Re: LAST POETS/((sublet) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aldon's helpful b/c reply deserves front channel... From: Aldon Nielsen Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:47:05 PM US/Central To: dtv@MWT.NET Subject: Norman H. Pritchard replying off-list as I've hit my 2 post quota for the day -- Norman H. Pritchard was one of the more "experimental" members of the Umbra group of poets in the 60s -- I talk about him a bit in my book BLACK CHANT -- He had a book from NYU press and another from Doubleday (back during that brief moment when mainstream presses pub'd poets like Clark Coolidge, Rosmarie Waldrop, Kathleen Fraser & Pritchard!) -- was given to various forms of concrete etc -- also was on the cover of LIBERATOR magazine -- He reads on 2 LPs from the era; one called DESTINATIONS and another called NEW JAZZ POETS -- His "ASWELAY" gets a name drop in the midst of Ishmael Reed's MUMBO JUMBO, as Ish was also associated with UMBRA -- anyway, in later years he seemed to disappear from the poetry scene, and I'm told he died about 3 years back -- I really wish somebody had gotten around to interviewing him -- and I hope one day to find out if he left any work behind,,,,, but first I have to find out where the hell he was ----- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:15:27 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Iraqi Style 'Rape Rooms' Found At Air Force Academy Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Iraqi 'Rape Rooms' Found At Air Force Academy By JOHN PURERUSEIA The Assassinated Press Colorado Springs, Colo., Mar. 19 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:17:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . In-Reply-To: <202F8D96.64F9E9FF.0080AC7C@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Guys- > >Give me a break. George, what's your point? > >Aaron, of course- the Japanese-American internment. Still, the USA's >never been an ocean-to-ocean police state for all its citizens. Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s normal. -- George Bowering Didn't know a Flanaghan Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:37:45 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Workshop with Bernadette Mayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bernadette Mayer Poetry Workshop" Come enjoy the rustic setting at Bernadette's Upstate New York country house. Relax by two streams and take walks in the woods. If you're interested in a weekend filled with poetry "away from it all" email psgood@hotmail.com or write to Poetry Workshop, 53 Tsatsawassa Lake Rd, East Nassau, NY, 12062. Workshops will be one on one or very small groups. Arrive Friday til Sunday. Transport from amtrak station or bus, meals and bed included for $200. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:48:59 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: N H Pritchard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Norman sent me an email from Baltimore a few years ago. Ron ------------------ Aldon's helpful b/c reply deserves front channel... From: Aldon Nielsen Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:47:05 PM US/Central To: dtv@MWT.NET Subject: Norman H. Pritchard replying off-list as I've hit my 2 post quota for the day -- Norman H. Pritchard was one of the more "experimental" members of the Umbra group of poets in the 60s -- I talk about him a bit in my book BLACK CHANT -- He had a book from NYU press and another from Doubleday (back during that brief moment when mainstream presses pub'd poets like Clark Coolidge, Rosmarie Waldrop, Kathleen Fraser & Pritchard!) -- was given to various forms of concrete etc -- also was on the cover of LIBERATOR magazine -- He reads on 2 LPs from the era; one called DESTINATIONS and another called NEW JAZZ POETS -- His "ASWELAY" gets a name drop in the midst of Ishmael Reed's MUMBO JUMBO, as Ish was also associated with UMBRA -- anyway, in later years he seemed to disappear from the poetry scene, and I'm told he died about 3 years back -- I really wish somebody had gotten around to interviewing him -- and I hope one day to find out if he left any work behind,,,,, but first I have to find out where the hell he was ----- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 15:10:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Meditations - 9 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Meditations in a Time of Delusions and Lies - 9 [I write these "meditations" from time to time in an attempt to stay sane. If you find them tedious, apply the magic of "delete." If you want to share them with others, feel free to do so.] March 25, 2003 We need to pay attention to names. By naming their assault "Shock and Awe," Bush and his extremist cohorts can promote the sacred text for their scheme to subjugate the Middle East to their Apocalypse Zion Empire. Let us pray. Meanwhile, the media is comfortably "embedded" with the military, and we can now watch Ted Koppel dart through scripted bloodshed with the proper erotic aplomb. Let us masturbate. The cable news networks do not label the assault somewhat neutrally as "The U.S.-Iraqi War." Instead, they trumpet the Pentagon code, "Operation Iraqi Freedom," which gives the war the quality of a brand name. Indeed, many Americans are aware that we are being sold. Let us keep all our receipts. On the eve of the war, Prime Minister Blair managed to convince President Bush that the moment had come for him to promote "The Roadmap" for Israeli-Palestinian peace. The plan was designed to have the great powers (Europe, Russia, the US) shove a compromise down the throats of the two parties along lines familiar to all: two states, withdrawal of settlements, no mass repatriation of refugees. The idea was to gag Israeli and Palestinian gullets equally and thus to effect peace. Blair wanted "The Roadmap" to show Europe and the rest of the world that he has the wherewithal to nudge the Emperor to pay attention to the real source of conflict. But when Bush heralded his version of the "Roadmap" at his press conference, it was filled with loopholes, with allowances for Israel to reject some components and to re-interpret others. In the end, this was much like Bush telling Sharon to withdraw from his attacks on the West Bank: it meant just the opposite. Bush's "Roadmap" amounted to a "Blueprint" for Israel to build more settlements and then to erect walls around them. Let us jump out of the way of lurching Hummers. "Freedom" has been redefined as anything not French. Let us deconstruct the Statue of Liberty. "Apache" is what settlers call dreams after they kill the dreamers then eat them to take on their powers. Perhaps years from now a type of helicopter will be named "Iraqi." Let us wake up. "Geneva Conventions" are good rules for them; for us they are fun parties on tropical islands. Let us cry for mercy. "Support our troops," as in "No matter what you think about the war, we need to support our troops," actually means "I can't believe this war is a fraud and my son/daughter/father/mother is going to get killed for Halliburton" or "Keep your mouth shut." Let us tell shit from Shinola. Hilton Obenzinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:17:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Re: N H Pritchard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I wrote a piece on N.H. Pritchard for Overlooked, a anthology of "overlooked" poems now in production. It will accompany a couple of Pritchard's poems that I selected. But since his work has come up on the list now, I thought I would send out an excerpt from my prefatory essay. ****** I found N. H. (Norman) Pritchard's The Matrix: Poems 1960-1970 at the Ark, a used book store on the Upper West Side of Manhattan just a few years ago. It is an elegant clothbound book with a large photo of Pritchard, featuring his elegant handlebar moustache he looks a bit like a soulful Salvador Dali staring, eerily, from the front cover (or is it from the great beyond?). The book was published by Doubleday in 1970 but the only sustained references I know to Pritchard's work are A. L. Nielsen's immensely useful discussion in his 1997 Black Chant: Languages of African-American Postmodernism and a much earlier essay by Lorenzo Thomas, "The Shadow World: New York's Umbra Workshop & Origins of the Black Arts Movement," published in Callaloo in 1978. (Nielsen mentions a 1992 essay by Kevin Young, "Signs of Repression: N. H. Pritchard's The Matrix.") The Matrix is a strikingly designed volume, composed of 71 poems in three parts, mostly visual or "concrete" poems, which are at the same time "sound" poems. It is one of the most interesting works of its kind from this period of American poetry. Nielsen mentions the connection to scat, a jazz vocalist's style of intoning "vocables" (vocal sounds not immediately processed as words), while Thomas notes the connection with the "vocal styles and tones" of African languages. Pritchard hops, skips, and jumps with his syncopated words, creating spaces inside words in a way that makes one word many. It's a rhythmic concatenation that relies on multiplicity and ambiguity. When I first read these poems I realized Pritchard was a perfect example of the "ideolectical," about which I write in "The Poetics of the Americas." The ideolectical is meant to suggest a synthesis of dialect and idiolect, centering on the use of nonstandard words and syntax--whether invented or based on the vernacular. The opening page of The Matrix gives virtually all the information I know about Pritchard: Born in New York City in 1939, graduated from NYU, published in Umbra (a crucial magazine of the Black Arts movement), The New Black Poetry, as well as The East Village Other. He also performs his poetry on the 1967 Broadside album, compiled by Walter Lowenfels, New Jazz Poets. The bio ends with a notice that he teaches a workshop at the New School and is Poet-in-Residence at Friends Seminary. Subsequently, I found a copy of his second book, Eecchhooeess, published by NYU Press in 1971. The book continues the complex, often letter-for-letter linguistic, visual, and sound play of The Matrix. Taken together, Pritchard's two books anticipate several of the formally inventive techniques that would gain greater circulation in the U.S. later in the 70s, though his work is almost never referenced in these contexts because, within a few years of these two books, the work seemed to disappear from the poetry horizon. (I recognize the circular reasoning here: lack of reference erases, the erased are not well enough known to reference; after all, the work was out there to find.) Other traces of Pritchard: a magnificent, very short piece on a 1999 album by Bill Dixon, playing with Tony Oxley, entitled "Quadro Di N.H. Pritchard"; I am listening to it now and the majestic space between each note seems to open up a universe inside the one we so often think we are living in. The album is called Papyrus and it reminds me about what is not yet lost in our vast trove of paper and digital archives: if only we know were to look or how to read what we find. Over time, in which we are all lost, some words, or almost words, jolt us, jam us, join us, as this from EECCHHOOEESS: junt mool oio clash brodge cense anis oio mek me isto plawe --Charles Bernstein http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/new.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:39:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Montages Against the War Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://winstars.free.fr/english/bush.html Being a large compilation of Montages Against the War, many already familial, some new, which I post in the spirit of John Heartfield. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:12:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Reading Announcement (Humbolt State) Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Stephen, been meaning to write you for some time. Received the four books. Will psot something to blog soon about them, along with stuff about Pierre's POASIS, Mairead's NELSON. The Betty Dahlen is really cool. It all is. Thank you. Really like FIVE ON THE WESTERN EDGE. OMENS FROM THE FLIGHT OF BIRDS: THE FIRST 101 DAYS OF JIMMY CARTER is something i been dippin in n out of. Jimmy was ahead of his time. The SHOCKS devoted to the daybook is priceless. Your news posts are sad hilarious, they make me so happy. Have a spiffin reading. And thanks again. Will send reciprocative materials. Gabe At 11:30 AM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >At the wonderfully odd chance of anyone on this list living near Arcata >(Humboldt County, California), I will be reading tomorrow - Wednesday - >evening at Humbolt State University in Founders Hall at 8 o'clock. > >It will be great see anyone in vicinity. > >Thanks, > >Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:16:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: apologyRe: Reading Announcement (Humbolt State) Stephen Vincent In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325190240.0202bfc8@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed sorry, that was private to stephen. apologies. At 07:12 PM 3/25/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Stephen, been meaning to write you for some time. Received the four books. >Will psot something to blog soon about them, along with stuff about >Pierre's POASIS, Mairead's NELSON. The Betty Dahlen is really cool. It all >is. Thank you. Really like FIVE ON THE WESTERN EDGE. OMENS FROM THE FLIGHT >OF BIRDS: THE FIRST 101 DAYS OF JIMMY CARTER is something i been dippin in >n out of. Jimmy was ahead of his time. The SHOCKS devoted to the daybook is >priceless. > >Your news posts are sad hilarious, they make me so happy. Have a spiffin >reading. And thanks again. Will send reciprocative materials. Gabe > >At 11:30 AM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >>At the wonderfully odd chance of anyone on this list living near Arcata >>(Humboldt County, California), I will be reading tomorrow - Wednesday - >>evening at Humbolt State University in Founders Hall at 8 o'clock. >> >>It will be great see anyone in vicinity. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:39:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Jane Sprague" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Fw: HYSTERIA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HYSTERIA: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS Each sex has a relation to madness. Every desire has a relation to = madness. 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For more information: 607-256-9141 or = lunaseabooks@yahoo.com Contact: Jennifer Savran ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:25:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Two Good Quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Two Good Quotes 1942 April 5: To write poetry now, even on current events, Brecht feels, means to withdraw into the ivory tower: 'It's as though one were practic- ing the art of filigree. There is something eccentric, cranky, obtuse about it. Such poetry is like the castaway's note in the bottle. The battle of Smolensk, too, is fought for poetry.' (Klaus Volker, Brecht Chronicle.) 2003 March 25: To write poetry now, even on current events, Sondheim feels, means to withdarw into the ivory tower: 'It's as though one were practicing the art of filigree. There is something eccentric, cranky, obtuse about it. Such poetry is like the castaway's note in the bottle. The battle against Bush, too, is fought for poetry.' (Alan Sondheim, IT Chronicle.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:40:38 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Haiku: "Youlipo" and a quote from Holderlin quoted by Heidegger quoted by Mayhew Comments: cc: Nick Piombino , Nick Piombino MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Youlipo is an intersting coinage in light of Pennebaker's research on suicidal poets use of pronouns http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/Pennebaker/Reprints/. May have implications for Saddam's poetry and Bush's antipoetry? But the shift from I to we doesn't seem to move their words our of the narcissist closet. Your implicit you here would suggest some empathy and I don't think either is capable of this? tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Masha Zavialova Subject: what can poets do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What can poets do? I am starting to develop a deja vu feeling. Some of the things from my life in the Soviet Union are returning that have been repressed. So what can poets do? Apart from doing what a physical body can do - like going out in the streets, or whatever, and making one’s presence visible as the opposition to the regime, in times like these poets could do one very specific thing that only writers can do – be sensitive to current usage and scrape off the official ideological shit from the language. I remember a phrase from the soviet past ‘the wolf is the janitor of the wilderness’ in the sense that wolves put away sick animals who are unable to run fast. So poets in the late Soviet times were the janitors of the language. By 1980s the Soviet official language became so stale that many words became meaningless or rather filled with such meanings that one had to be within the context and know the official doctrine in order to understand. Should I say that what the ideological apparatus did was to make an attempt to arrest the permanent sliding of the signifier? Maybe I get it wrong but anyway the ideocratic state made an attempt to secure the meanings of words and control signifying processes so that eventually you could not use lots of words unless in a joke or in some sort of an ironical sense. It was kind of weird because it would seem that words are polysemantic and you can actually switch registers, leave newspeak behind and still go on speaking but what happened was that the whole language was compromised and contaminated and it took literally hundreds of poets and prose writers, (D.A. Prigov comes to mind first) to try and repair the abuse. (I joined the list after a long break thanks to Maria Damon so this is a way to re-introduce myself. Sorry if I am out of the discourse) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:39:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Steve Dickison From: Poetics List Administration Subject: ** Keith WALDROP & Rosmarie WALDROP, Thurs March 27, 7:30 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetry Center presents Keith Waldrop & Rosmarie Waldrop Thursday March 27, 7:30 pm $5 donation @ The Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin (at Geary), San Francisco The Poetry Center presents celebrated poet-translators Keith and Rosmarie Waldrop, in a rare West Coast visit from their home in Providence, Rhode Island. * ROSMARIE WALDROP'S recent books of poems are Reluctant Gravities (New Directions), Split Infinites (Singing Horse), and Another Language: Selected Poems (Talisman House). A new collection, Blindsight, is forthcoming in 2003, and a memoire --reflecting her work translating many volumes by the Egyptian-Jewish-French writer Edmond Jab=E8s into English-- Lavish Absence: Recalling and Rereading Edmond Jab=E8s, is just out from Wesleyan University Press. Born and raised in Germany, Ms. Waldrop has lived in the US over four decades, and translated numerous poets from German and French. More information at http://www.durationpress.com/authors/rwaldrop/home.html SONG small body small talk so adult a sadness the song of less birds maps the land a ghost of surface resting on oil rigs sleep in a stranger's glove and the cold comes through --Rosmarie Waldrop, from Reluctant Gravities * KEITH WALDROP'S recent books of poetry include The House Seen from Nowhere (Litmus Press), Haunt (Instance Press), the trilogy: The Locality Principle, The Silhouette of the Bridge (America Award 1997) and Semiramis, If I Remember (Avec Books). Translator of numerous poets from French, he teaches at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island. http://www.durationpress.com/authors/kwaldrop/home.html Before the first evening, we are given to believe, there was no morning. No matter how patiently unearthed, the city is doomed to disappear again. eroded undermined by rain wind frost her destiny accomplished The core of the tower, crude bricks. Square base, seven stories up and, on top, a temple. High over the white roofs of the town. Gypsum and shining asphalt. Overshadowing the Temple of the Uplifted Head. God, provided with bed and breakfast. Basalt statue of lion trampling man. The hanging gardens--her joy, her monument--always reckoned as a wonder. who builds himself no monument, once dead will have no monument, dire- membered even as the bell tone decays The ladder leans. --Keith Waldrop, from Semiramis (If I Remember) The Waldrops together co-edit and publish Burning Deck, the renowned poetry press which this past year celebrated its 40th anniversary. http://www.burningdeck.com/ Autobiographies by the poets (Ceci n'est-ce pas Keith, Ceci n'est-ce pas Rosmarie) have recently appeared, and their collected poetic collaborations, Well Well Reality, were published by Post-Apollo Press. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Coming up from The Poetry Center: Thurs April 3 Maureen Owen & Eileen Tabios at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Thurs April 10 "Across the Line/Al otro lado: the Poetry of Baja Californi= a" w/ Mexican poets Francisco Morales, Elizabeth Algr=E1vez, and Heriberto Y=E9pez & editors Mark Weiss & Harry Polkinhorn (note: bilingual reading in Espa=F1ol/English) at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Wed April 16 Ryoko Sekiguchi with translator Stacy Doris co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France (note: translations of Ms. Sekiguchi's poems will be read by Stacy Doris) at The Poetry Center, 7:30 pm free Thurs April 17 William Corbett & Fred Moten at Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin St, 7:30 pm, $5 Sat April 19 Abdellatif La=E2bi co-sponsored by the Consular Services of the Embasssy of France Alliance Fran=E7aise San Francisco, & City Lights Books (note: Mr. La=E2bi will read his work in French, without translations) at Alliance Fran=E7aise, 1345 Bush, 6:00 pm, free Sat May 3 Bei Dao & Michael Palmer co-sponsored by MFA Writing Program USF at The Pacific Room, USF, 7:30 pm, free Thurs May 8 Todd Baron & Dawn Michelle Baude at The Poetry Center, SFSU, 4:30 pm, free Sat May 10 "DERIVATIONS: Celebrating Poetics at New College 1978-2003" co-sponsored by New College Poetics Program at New College Cultural Center, New College of California, 2:00 pm, $5 =46urther information at http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry telephone 415-338-2227 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Dickison, Director The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue ~ San Francisco CA 94132 ~ vox 415-338-3401 ~ fax 415-338-0966 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry ~ ~ ~ L=E2 taltazim h=E2latan, wal=E2kin durn b=EE-llay=E2ly kam=E2 tad=FBwru Don't cling to one state turn with the Nights, as they turn ~Maq=E2mat al-Hamadh=E2ni (tenth century; tr Stefania Pandolfo) ~ ~ ~ Bring all the art and science of the world, and baffle and humble it with one spear of grass. ~Walt Whitman's notebook -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:47:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: A Dying Regime... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saddam today: "Cut their throats & be patient....have you found what satan has already promised you....for the enemies i say we have found what ALLAH has already promised us...." U.S.A today.....our usual sources inform us that there is an international call for Po volunteers to man a brigade to ring Baghdad. This Baraka Brigade will fight to their last vowel & labial consonant... DRn/Drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:59:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 3/25/03 12:17 PM, George Bowering at bowering@SFU.CA wrote: >> Guys- >>=20 >> Give me a break. George, what's your point? >>=20 >> Aaron, of course- the Japanese-American internment. Still, the USA's >> never been an ocean-to-ocean police state for all its citizens. >=20 > Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a > flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little > heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s > normal. > -- > George Bowering > Didn't know a Flanaghan > Fax 604-266-9000 GB - If you are engaging in this relentless bit of America-baiting in order to get somebody to call you an ass, well then I will oblige: You are an ass= . You clearly know next to nothing of American culture, and come across as a pompous moron. So stop with this gratuitous trash-talk, okay? I have severa= l good Canadian friends, but this cartoon version of America-bashing is ranci= d and trite and vomit-inducing, not to mention very much undeserving of a poet=B9s voice. I only hope you are doing it with your tongue deeply buried within your cheek and are not being serious, in which case I can agree to laugh WITH you rather than AT. There are more thoughtful ways to express outrage over the current war, or the United States, or whatever is your target here, than to posit absurd notions of brainwashing and quote silly statistics. I sincerely hope that your words do not represent the average intellectual level of leftist critique in Canada, as it is pathetic. No offense GB, really, but my tolerance level for idiocy on all sides has been awfully low lately. I am sick of the anarchists for carrying molotov cocktails to a peace rally, sick of the conservatives for reviving the bad old slogan "Love it or Leave it", sick of the mass media for making light o= f dissent, etc. I had hoped the level of debate at a place like the Poetics Forum would be a little less adolescent than elsewhere, and it usually is. So let=B9s keep it that way, please, as emotions are already frayed enough! Many of us are in deep pain over what is happening right now, and don=B9t nee= d stupid comments like this latest post by GB to add to the anguish. -mwp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:38:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: Montages Against the War MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii a better use for photoshop i've never seen! bliss l ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:08:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Academic choices MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings listers, I'm in the process of deciding where to attend graduate school, having applied to a variety of programs. In terms of pursuing an academic career, what is the current thinking on the merits of the creative writing M.A. vs. the M.F.A. vs. the PhD in, say, comparative literature? Specifically, is an M.F.A. superfluous to a student who eventually intends to obtain a PhD.? Would an M.F.A. holder have to start afresh in order to obtain a doctorate? Same question for M.A. Do M.A. holders have difficulty applying their credits to doctorate programs at different schools? I'm very attracted to the artistic focus of creative writing programs, but I'm also cognizant of the practical concerns of educational rank in the academic hierarchy. I'm a little worried that an M.F.A will handcuff me when it comes to university teaching jobs. I'm sure that many of you are well versed in the intricacies of these issues and I'd be most grateful for your thoughts. Sincerely, Brennen Lukas http://members.cox.net/blukas/frames_index.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:17:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: Academic choices In-Reply-To: <20030326040841.RAGJ3331.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Brennen--Boy, did you just stumble into the proverbial hornet's nest. My advice is...run for cover! On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Brennen Lukas wrote: > Greetings listers, > > I'm in the process of deciding where to attend graduate school, > having applied to a variety of programs. In terms of pursuing an > academic career, what is the current thinking on the merits of the > creative writing M.A. vs. the M.F.A. vs. the PhD in, say, comparative > literature? > > Specifically, is an M.F.A. superfluous to a student who eventually > intends to obtain a PhD.? Would an M.F.A. holder have to start > afresh in order to obtain a doctorate? Same question for M.A. > > Do M.A. holders have difficulty applying their credits to doctorate > programs at different schools? > > I'm very attracted to the artistic focus of creative writing programs, > but I'm also cognizant of the practical concerns of educational rank > in the academic hierarchy. I'm a little worried that an M.F.A will > handcuff me when it comes to university teaching jobs. > > I'm sure that many of you are well versed in the intricacies of these > issues and I'd be most grateful for your thoughts. > > Sincerely, > Brennen Lukas > http://members.cox.net/blukas/frames_index.html > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:45:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Subject: Painted Bride at Ear Inn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Join guest host Marion Wrenn for a special reading by contributors to Painted Bride Quarterly =A0 Michael Broder, Joelle Hahn, & Katy Hawkins =A0 The Ear Inn Saturday, March 29, at 3:00 PM 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE =A0 Subway=97C,E/Spring; 1,9/Canal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 22:47:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >on 3/25/03 12:17 PM, George Bowering at bowering@SFU.CA wrote: > >>> Guys- >>> >>> Give me a break. George, what's your point? >>> >>> Aaron, of course- the Japanese-American internment. Still, the USA's >>> never been an ocean-to-ocean police state for all its citizens. >> >> Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a >> flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little >> heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s >> normal. >> -- >> George Bowering >> Didn't know a Flanaghan >> Fax 604-266-9000 > > >GB - If you are engaging in this relentless bit of America-baiting in order >to get somebody to call you an ass, well then I will oblige: You are an ass. I wasn't America-baiting. I was US-baiting. Most of America I can get along with regarding adventures in the middle east. Argentina, Mexico, Brazil, Chile, Cuba, I can get along with. -- George Bowering Didn't know a Flanaghan Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:52:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Experimental Hypermultiplicity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Experimental Hypermultiplicity Anecdotal: "Surging inchoate/incoherent sound." I play Ensoniq Mirage key- board with positive organ sample as quickly as possible. The rhythm is fast and furious; the melody is absurdly simple, repeated with embellishments in C, E, C#, Bb major. Diminished chords, parallel fourths, fifths, octaves, are employed. The augmented fifth is run up and down the scale of major seconds. Speed is repeatedly doubled until it falls back, exhausted. Length of recording: 19 minutes. Commentary: While playing, each key is clarified; the melody comes through clearly, as do the numerous errors associated with the speed. I hear the individual notes; the echo is kept to a minimum. I correct errors as best as possible by absorbing them in the diminished chords. I am exhilarated. "Muscular aurality." I play at this speed by adapting potencies within the muscles themselves; the playing takes on autonomic characteristics, broken by the focus on errors. The diminished chords are correctives, bringing the muscles back into focus. "Internal time consciousness." Time slows, undeniably. I am aware of the intervals and distances between runs, the melodic timing. Result: Later, listening to the cd made from the performance. I can no longer hear the melody, the transformations. Everything surges, ruptures. The rapidity transforms into gloss, the note sequences into envelopes, the diminished chords into furious and inchoate sonorities. I am now outside of the production; from without, the originary turn or moment is lost, invisible. I have withdrawn from the sound, the music; I hear it, entirely enveloped in something else, something otherwise. The same has permanently divided. Result: Internal time consciousness is not only layered, mobile, flexed; it is tied into tacit knowledge and attending-to. A production supersedes its production; it is always that accursed share, that surplus, that both expands and withdraws the auratic. This is the sound-music of the thinking body, organ/organelle mind/minding. This is the sequence of the word in its mythopoeic primordial moment. === ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 01:31:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: "Unilateral" Journalists Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Has anyone seen anything on the term used to describe those journalists who are not "imbedded"? The term the Anglo-American forces use for freelance journalists is "unilaterals." Isn't that clever now. That means that, hey, the "imbedded" journalists are ... MULTILATERALS. I have heard NO network journalists talk about this rhetorical ploy. Anyone heard/read about this? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:49:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentic guild Subject: m.a.g. news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear poets and writers, 1.the spring m.a.g. will have over 600 writers 2.the m.a.g. now has international liaisons in 14 countries including iran and pakistan the newest liaisons are in bulgaria, the philippines brunei, germany, china, india and russia 3. the m.a.g. receives 10,000 hits a week 4. the spring m.a.g. features writers from iran and writers from iceland 5. if you know anyone in san diego who can help me in the daily operation of the m.a.g. please contact me with "m.a.g. help" in the subject line august highland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:00:40 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: Re: m.a.g. news In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_oc5aAmnPcJrFDwUbDpq90Q)"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062 --Boundary_(ID_oc5aAmnPcJrFDwUbDpq90Q) Content-type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT congratulations augie you have created something huge it must be very t[i][u]ring komninos At 08:49 PM 26]03/03, you wrote: >dear poets and writers, > >1.the spring m.a.g. will have over 600 writers >2.the m.a.g. now has international liaisons > in 14 countries including iran and pakistan > the newest liaisons are in bulgaria, the philippines > brunei, germany, china, india and russia >3. the m.a.g. receives 10,000 hits a week >4. the spring m.a.g. features writers from iran > and writers from iceland >5. if you know anyone in san diego who can help > me in the daily operation of the m.a.g. please contact > me with "m.a.g. help" in the subject line > >august highland > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --Boundary_(ID_oc5aAmnPcJrFDwUbDpq90Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 --Boundary_(ID_oc5aAmnPcJrFDwUbDpq90Q)-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:09:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentic guild Subject: Re: m.a.g. news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear komninos, yes it is in fact i got sick for several days from overworking but i am better now i was trying to do it all myself but now i have been forced to let go of some of the daily responsibilites publishing the m.a.g is one of the greatest experiences of my life second only to the birth and upbringing of my daughter who is now in kindergarten and just started taking karate lessons infinite blessings, august ----- Original Message ----- From: "komninos zervos" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:00 AM Subject: Re: m.a.g. news > congratulations augie > you have created something huge > it must be very t[i][u]ring > > komninos > At 08:49 PM 26]03/03, you wrote: > > >dear poets and writers, > > > >1.the spring m.a.g. will have over 600 writers > >2.the m.a.g. now has international liaisons > > in 14 countries including iran and pakistan > > the newest liaisons are in bulgaria, the philippines > > brunei, germany, china, india and russia > >3. the m.a.g. receives 10,000 hits a week > >4. the spring m.a.g. features writers from iran > > and writers from iceland > >5. if you know anyone in san diego who can help > > me in the daily operation of the m.a.g. please contact > > me with "m.a.g. help" in the subject line > > > >august highland > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 > > > > > >--- > >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > > komninos zervos > lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major > School of Arts > Griffith University > Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 > Gold Coast Campus > Parkwood > PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre > Queensland 9726 > Australia > Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 > homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos > broadband experiments: > http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs > audioblog > http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:26:25 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: m.a.g. news Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline can I have a link, please? Even the mighty google stumbles when searching for "m.a.g"... At 26/03/03 10:49:07, muse apprentic guild wrote: # dear poets and writers, # # 1.the spring m.a.g. will have over 600 writers # 2.the m.a.g. now has international liaisons # in 14 countries including iran and pakistan # the newest liaisons are in bulgaria, the philippines # brunei, germany, china, india and russia # 3. the m.a.g. receives 10,000 hits a week # 4. the spring m.a.g. features writers from iran # and writers from iceland # 5. if you know anyone in san diego who can help # me in the daily operation of the m.a.g. please contact # me with "m.a.g. help" in the subject line # # august highland # # # --- # Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. # Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). # Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 # Roger ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 03:57:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: http://www.blazevox.org In-Reply-To: <80256CF5.003ED86F.00@notescam.cam.harlequin.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.blazevox.org =A0 Featuring : =B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0LOOPPOESIA: The poetics of redundancy = byWilton Azevedo =B7=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Gabriel Gudding =96 Rhode Island Notebooks =A0 Poetry by John M Bennett Ethan Paquin & Christina Mengert Trey Sager & Thomas Comerford andrew topel kari edwards Joel Chace Geoffrey Gatza Raymond Farr Bob BrueckL Jeffrey Jullich Aaron Beltz http://www.blazevox.org New Media Poetry Francis Raven //image poem The Donna Matrix//image poem JongMi Kai //Flash poetry MarrieCudlow //Flash poetry JohnannObligo //Flash poetry Geoffrey Gatza // =A0HTMLseries =A0 Ebooks =A0Amy King :We Are All Around Us Geoffrey Gatza:Secret Origins Joel ChaceSelections =46rom itsstorysquares Michael BogueChainsaws and Wildflowers http://www.blazevox.org= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:03:02 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kevin one of the things that interest me about that word is that is so often used phrasally, as in 'high dudgeon'. Now my interest goes roughly on these lines: dictionaries look at words by themselves but it seems that as semantic units they exist in combinations often, in pairs, that is to say couplings, or even menages a la trois. Too, one of the points of the artistic basis of poetry seems to be the ability, or 'knack', of putting words in unexpected combinations, for example Stevens' 'cool of spent emotions'. It's the 'cool' that makes the hit there, I reckon, 'spent emotions', by themselves, wouldn't have much effect ( I'm aware of the hilarity in the subtexts of what I'm writing as I 'speak' btw!) Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.Angelo Hehir" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon Subject: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon dudgeon (DUHJ-uhn) noun A feeling of anger, resentment, indignation, etc. [Of unknown origin.] "Germany's trade unions are in a state of considerable dudgeon about plans to cut state spending and squeeze the welfare state. The dudgeon will grow if more deficit-cutting consigns more of their members to the ranks of the unemployed." Brian Beedham, Why Kohl Should Accept Postponement of Monetary Union, The International Herald Tribune (France), Apr 8, 1997. "And in the Labyrinth Theater Company's beautifully cast production, which has been brazenly directed in the spirit of high dudgeon by Philip Seymour Hoffman, they are often hilarious as well." Bruce Weber, Throwing a Hissy Fit to Ease the Pain, The New York Times, Oct 3, 2002. This week's theme: miscellaneous words. Sponsored by Think Right Now! International: Depressed? Anxious? Unmotivated? If your willpower & persistence always fizzle out, see the new paradigm in personal growth. http://mcssl.com/app/adtrack.asp?AdID=17954 AND You? Reach more than half-million readers -- contact us at sponsor@wordsmith.org. ............................................................................ Love is like an hourglass, with the heart filling up as the brain empties. -Jules Renard, writer (1864-1910) Q: What is your privacy policy? A: AWAD mailing list addresses are never sold, rented, leased, traded, swapped, exchanged, or bartered to anyone. We don't like to receive junk mail, and know you don't either. Pronunciation: http://wordsmith.org/words/dudgeon.wav http://wordsmith.org/words/dudgeon.ram ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:13:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Blame Turkey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In one of his most condescending and inflammatory moments, William = Safire recently vilified Turkey for causing a longer and bloodier war in = Iraq. "Ankara Islamists kept allied supply ships floating off Turkey's shores, = while those politicians dickered over the price of a transit toll. Six = billion cash plus 10 billion in loan guarantees wasn't good enough in = that time-consuming bazaar. We had to send our ships around to Kuwait, = lengthening the war and causing more allied and Iraqi casualties." = http://nytimes.com/2003/03/24/opinion/24SAFI.html Hard to believe this is what passes for distinguished commentary in the = newspaper of record of the United States. ________________________ "We bomb. They suffer. Then we turn up and take pictures of their = wounded children." = Robert Fisk = London Independent http://www.independent.co.uk = 23 March 2003 Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:15:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Re: "Unilateral" Journalists In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326012317.01b76008@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:31 AM 3/26/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Has anyone seen anything on the term used to describe those journalists who >are not "imbedded"? The term the Anglo-American forces use for freelance >journalists is "unilaterals." > >Isn't that clever now. > >That means that, hey, the "imbedded" journalists are ... MULTILATERALS. > >I have heard NO network journalists talk about this rhetorical ploy. Anyone >heard/read about this? Not a thing, Gabe. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:24:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: war URLs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [gulfwar-2] Gulf States May Be Next: British MP http://arabnews.com/Article.asp?ID=24283 Many good links (for and against) www.antiwar.com Subject: [gulfwar-2] Saddam's Bunkers Said 'Impossible' to Destroy http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=2446263 Subject: [gulfwar-2] How Gulf War II Differs from Gulf War I http://www.independent.org/tii/news/030325Eland.html Subject: [gulfwar-2] US WAR MESSAGE CHANGES http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page.cfm?objectid=12773690&method=full&siteid=50143 Subject: [gulfwar-2] How Gulf War II Differs from Gulf War I http://www.independent.org/tii/news/030325Eland.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:53:18 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: komninos zervos Subject: if war was the solution there would be no more war Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062; boundary="=======138F1B9F=======" --=======138F1B9F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit consider war is an actualisation of the problematic, the idea of conflict resolution. the actualisation of the idea is what we see today, in iraq. war with iraq is bush's idea of a solution. his solution is endorsed by blair and howard and excuted as but one actualisation to the problem. the actual is realised by real battles and real casualties, and many possible battles to come and the possibility of more casualties who will die in this way. there have been many previous realisations of war. the media is quick to compare this war with the last gulf war, or vietnam, three different realisations of the solution of the actualisation, war, of the virtual, conflict resolution. but what is gained from asking 'why was this war different from that war?' because doing so, does not solve the problems of conflict resolution as an idea. because the problem of conflict resolution is the virtual, which also has non-violent actualisations. the virtual questions the idea that violence must be used to obtain power, or to defend from being overpowered? these are the issues or questions the virtual seeks to address. and each time war is actualised as a solution, with its new atrocitries and greater waste of life. each actualisation of war only answers some questions, creates new problems, new questions in need of answers. each actualisation of war is fully realised in the real body counts, vietnam war:50,000 us troops/5 million vietnamese; gulf war: 135 us troops/100,000 iraqis. but the virtual remains, and each actualisation makes everyone re-think their idea of war and question why there are or should be wars? the virtualisation that comes with each war, the re-problematising of the idea of how we resolve our differences that accompanies every attempted solution of it, each actualisation, makes me re-think myself as a human. to re-think the way i actualise the idea in my own personal life, in my relationship with my children, lovers, friends, workmates, family, and community. the virtual, contains all we know about wars and all the previous actualisations and real horrors, as well as all that is unknown about this idea of resolution of difference. and whilst some times we may think of the virtual as the unknown, or the not there, or not-real, or the make believe or the possible, it has as much reality as the real, and shouldn't be seen as its opposite, but the real is a part of the virtual. there are parts of the virtual we don't yet know about. this provides hope, that in future, other actualisations may see more humane ways of addressing these cultural, economic, political differences. one thing is for sure, if war had been the solution to resolution of differences, there would be no virtual left to know about, if war was the solution there would be no more war. komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 homepage: http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/K_Zervos broadband experiments: http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs audioblog http://spokenword.blog-city.com/ --=======138F1B9F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-64603062 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.461 / Virus Database: 260 - Release Date: 10/03/03 --=======138F1B9F=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:41:46 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. P. Craig" Subject: sound recordings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello polistians, As part of my dissertation research and general pleasure principal drive gratification, I'm looking for sound recordings of readings or lectures by Susan Howe, Nathaniel Mackey, and Robert Duncan. Using the tools at my disposal, I've found THREE recordings total, one of which so far is non-circulating for inter-library loan. Are there folks on the list who have such recordings? I would be glad to exchange what I get for what I get or to offer recordings moved from magnetic media to CD-ROM in exchange for recordings. Please backchannel if you can help me out. JP -- J. P. Craig U. Iowa English Dept. Dream disclosed to me, I too am Ishmael. --Robert Duncan, in "Bring It Up From The Dark" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 07:01:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: waldreid@EARTHLINK.NET Subject: NJ & MA readings Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, if anyone's out and about in new jersey next week, i'm reading at the barnes & noble bookstore in west paterson (route 46) on thursday april 3 at 7:30 with Maria Terrone & John Paul Miller. also reading april 8 in framingham, mass., on tuesday, april 8 at the border's store in framingham at 7:30. thanks, diane wald ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:34:37 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: sound recordings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contact Kush, official archivist at New College of California in San Francisco. The Poetics Program, in which I taught for 15 years, was founded for Robert Duncan. In addition to numerous audio/video tapes of Duncan, Kush probably has audio tapes of a several day conference on Emily Dickinson, in which Susan Howe participates, as well as Creeley, Bob Grenier and others. There is a treasure trove just waiting for someone to use. Best, Gloria Frym ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:10:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: there is some (thing) In-Reply-To: <004101c2f391$116def20$9452b38b@Moby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable there is some (thing) to my sufii saint self in a dream, the lemmings are all stuffed in a=20 closet. under the intermezzo pause I catch the finer points of=20 breathing in an epistemologic phrase, =93please praise the heavens for=20= misshapen things. "like a bystander sitting in a continuous broadcast=20 section with its preemptive overcast sounds. I wait in ultra thin=20 consistency to manage meltdowns and sterility, like comic book=20 chernobylian red dots. an archetype plays dunk the sperm, and chants=20 =93win this one for the gipper=94 . . . groper, talking tuna and singing=20= whales wail =93the end is near - don't turn around.=94 tumbling down,=20 tumbling down. the lemmings increase, and here I am referring to the=20 actual, like a security abstract, as if I came across an in italicized=20= section of myself and can=92t catalogue the expectable death rate.=20 tumbling down, tumbling down. just then I feel the air with is hundred=20= ways of anticipation - tumbling down, tumbling down.= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:10:58 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michael helsem Subject: Re: what can poets do Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Masha Zavialova >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: what can poets do >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0600 > >What can poets do? > (snip) i think our colleagues in other countries who have long suffered under hostile governments, can give us a tip on that one. hello relevance! m. --------------------------------------------- GREED IS GOOD. GOD IS GREAT. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:31:46 -0800 Reply-To: cstroffo@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino Subject: ATLANTA??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know there are (or used to be) some people on this list who occasionally post poetry events or reading groups that happen in Atlanta---- (but I forgot who.......).... Could you backchannel me please? thanks, Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:29:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: what poets can do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Masha, Thanks for taking on the question, which I see from how I asked it was already slipping out of its green pod of *what can poetry do?* to a blue pod of *what can poets do?* It's no doubt a symptom of the illusion of my fluctuating "I"-- in that I'd like to believe there is agency, and experience would seem to bear it out, but so many better thinkers than I have already decided the question is moot. Or so I've been loudly reminded in some academic settings. Nothing lost, then, by asking, right? I think when I asked about what poetry can do the other day it was while heading out of a loop about war and morality (the question was: is war wrong? and yes, it is always wrong, as I was roundly reminded by Aryanil). It was a note more of exasperation on (yet again) realizing the disparity between knowing of (that day's and countless days of) brute acts of war, and a growing sense of (my own and many others I'm sure) futility about how even when poetry is most adequate an agitation to the larger *desiring machine* it is not much of a match for *manunkind*'s other favorite rhetorical (brute-physical) machinations or (now bushy-cnn-marked) real and symbolic wmds. Perhaps this is intellectualizing too much?--as I've also recently been reminded. But in view of what you explained about poetry and the past era of Russian poetry/language, would you care to comment on how that tendency may or may not have evolved there to the present? Email me directly if you'd prefer that venue. Again, thanks for so thoughtful a response. Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:25:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Damian Judge Rollison Subject: Re: Blame Turkey In-Reply-To: <004101c2f391$116def20$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII > "We bomb. They suffer. Then we turn up and take pictures of > their wounded children." > Robert Fisk > London Independent http://www.independent.co.uk > 23 March 2003 This quote reminds me to mention that (apropos of Gabe's question) there's a good interview with Robert Fisk called "Un-Embedded Journalist," just up on ZNet: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=36&ItemID=3323 It's too long to copy here but well worth reading. Fisk is in Baghdad reporting for the Independent: "[A]s the Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said a few hours ago, I was listening to him in person, the Americans expected to be greeted with roses and music - and they were greeted with bullets." :::::::::::::::::::::::: Damian Judge Rollison Dept. of English University of Virginia djr4r@virginia.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:44:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Fletcher Lauer Subject: FESTIVAL OF NEW AMERICAN POETS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tuesday, April 8th and Wednesday, April 9th 7:30 pm THE PSA FESTIVAL OF NEW AMERICAN POETS TUESDAY APRIL 8TH Quan Barry David Berman Jeff Clark Michael Earl Craig Timothy Donnelly Matthea Harvey Christine Hume Major Jackson & the inaugural PSA National Chapbook Fellows: Dawn Lundy Martin, selected by C. D. Wright Kerri Webster, selected by Carl Phillips WEDNESDAY APRIL 9TH Mông-Lan Constance Merritt Geoffrey G. O'Brien Prageeta Sharma Brenda Shaughnessy Spencer Short Rebecca Wolff Rachel Zucker & the inaugural PSA New York Chapbook Fellows: Paul Killebrew, selected by John Ashbery Tess Taylor, selected by Eavan Boland $10 both nights / $7 Students $7 for one night / $5 Students Reception to follow each reading. Tishman Auditorium The New School 66 West 12th Street (between 5th and 6th Avenues) New York, NY www.poetrysociety.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:39:42 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: news anthology links Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My apologies for posting so much. But at a time of unprecedented US and UK propaganda, here are a few news anthology links that provide different perspectives to those media that support the Anglo-American invasion. Suggestion: Please continue, as you find them, to post links to news anthologies on this thread. Cursor (including a great swath of links to Middle East media, some of which have been hacked and downed by NSA) http://www.cursor.org/ (but they don't have www.arabnews.com, which you should check out too) Common Dreams http://www.commondreams.org/ Antiwar http://www.antiwar.com/ TruthOUT http://www.truthout.com/ The Memory Hole http://www.thememoryhole.org/ Gulf-War 2 discussion group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulfwar-2/ Democrats.com http://democrats.com/ Independent Media Center http://www.indymedia.org/ Citizens for Legitimate Government www.legitgov.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:52:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Announcing BlazeVOX 2k3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable B l a z e VOX 2k3=20 An online journal of new media and Poetry Avant Garde Spring 2003 =20 http://www.blazevox.org Netscape Navigator users please copy and paste link :-) Featuring : =B7 LOOPPOESIA: The poetics of redundancy byWilton Azevedo =B7 Gabriel Gudding - Rhode Island Notebooks Poetry by John M Bennett Ethan Paquin & Christina Mengert Trey Sager & Thomas Comerford andrew topel kari edwards Joel Chace Geoffrey Gatza Raymond Farr Bob BrueckL Jeffrey Jullich Aaron Beltz http://www.blazevox.org New Media Poetry Francis Raven //image poem The Donna Matrix//image poem JongMi Kai //Flash poetry MarrieCudlow //Flash poetry JohnannObligo //Flash poetry Geoffrey Gatza // HTMLseries Ebooks Amy King :We Are All Around Us Geoffrey Gatza:Secret Origins Joel ChaceSelections From itsstorysquares Michael BogueChainsaws and Wildflowers http://www.blazevox.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:21:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: Re: news anthology links In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326101555.01bf99d8@mail.ilstu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can include Mother Jones' site: http://www.motherjones.com/news/warwatch/ And the Iraq diaries: http://electroniciraq.net/news/iraqdiaries.shtml As well as the dear_raed blog: http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/ An interesting russian site: http://www.aeronautics.ru/ --Tracy On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 12:39 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > My apologies for posting so much. But at a time of unprecedented US > and UK > propaganda, here are a few news anthology links that provide different > perspectives to those media that support the Anglo-American invasion. > > Suggestion: Please continue, as you find them, to post links to news > anthologies on this thread. > > > Cursor (including a great swath of links to Middle East media, some of > which have been hacked and downed by NSA) > http://www.cursor.org/ > (but they don't have www.arabnews.com, which you should check out too) > > Common Dreams > http://www.commondreams.org/ > > Antiwar > http://www.antiwar.com/ > > TruthOUT > http://www.truthout.com/ > > The Memory Hole > http://www.thememoryhole.org/ > > Gulf-War 2 discussion group > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulfwar-2/ > > Democrats.com > http://democrats.com/ > > Independent Media Center > http://www.indymedia.org/ > > Citizens for Legitimate Government > www.legitgov.org > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:35:46 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: what poets can do Comments: cc: "James W. Pennebaker" , Clemente Padin , Dmitry Bulatov MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT very intersting post, Masha. I do think there are several issues at stake here but clearly one is the media's role as embedded or in bed with and this list has the potential to gather views internationally this from Europe (Reiner Strasser): As far as I know - there seems to be a wide distance between what is reported (in TV) in (old - sic!) europe and the (modern - sic!) US. Every second sentences in any german report is - the information are not secure. There are some independant journalists around in Bagdad - i believe? that especially the sat phone interviews are not censured by the iraquian regime (but information are poor). --- I do not tell - that the european media are neutral or objective. Many nations in the UN have declare that they are against this war (except some known bigger countries there is no real information about who is in the alliance with the US in this war). In opposite to all the nations manifesting there opposition to this war in the UN - the war began. How shall these countries (governments) react? Ban the US? (haha) Unfortunately at the moment american right (the right of the current american government) seems to be THE international right. (Right? - sic!) In Germany, France etcetera they are talking about human actions/help after (or eventually during) the war .................... hands seem to be bound (everywhere)........ The child is fallen in the A key function at the moment (in my sight) has the american media manipulating the viewers (or is it really the "american mentality after 09-11?) ........... Are there any public (TV) critical statements allowed in the US in these times? What has happened with free speech? Am I now on a black or red list in the US? How is this seen from Uruguay and Russia or elsewhere even if nor written in standard English? a second issue relates to pronoun usage as poets. I write as a poet or as a person, we write, I write about you seeing tanks approaching Basra where you are someone seeing them via satelite via CNN as your TV blanks? tom bell not yet acrazied ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:54:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ken Rumble Subject: Desert City Poetry Series w/ Carl Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Please spread far and wide..... Who: Carl Martin, architect of vocabulary, Winston-Salem native, author of _Genii Over Salzburg_ and _Go Your Stations, Girl_ What: Desert City Poetry Series -- always fashionable, never sleeping When: Sunday, March 30th, 8pm, 2003 Where: PS211, Winston-Salem, NC -- 211 E. Third St. down downtown -- Business 40 to N. 52, take the 3rd, 4th, 5th Streets exit. Left at the light. PS211 is on the right at the corner of 3rd and Patterson -- wrong side of the tracks. Why: "I know they feed they lion who buzzes like a harrier / Flapping its wings." See you there...... to PS211: http://ps211.org/directions.html about PS211: http://ps211.org/start.html about Carl Martin: http://www.centerforbookculture.org/dalkey/backlist/martin.html "The Prescription Drug Challenge" by Carl Martin It was while popping members of the "triptan" family That I began dreaming of the South African killer bee. Trapped inside a diamond shaped molecule its sticky, yellow venom Slides inside its slick confinement like wind sliding Through the furry cuffs of the pussy willow. This bee is a good swimmer, but not a great swimmer Though its talent has been honed bouncing through the waves The spray and loneliness of the South Coast. I know deep in the knobby, long distance knees of the soul That it has not spread all the pollen that I would like to spread with it. Somehow, in my wise inclinations I fear that this is a truly American "Stinger," a short spanned hum-vee of the wild Florida grasses Plowing through the airs and porches like a long-legged advert In ways that Maeterlinck could never have imagined, Not even poetically, "just as Deborah, whose name means Bee" Judged Israel--in a story I may not actually have read. This is the way the blind see, even in Miami. Jehovah forgive us And excise from the brain: the flesh, the hubbub, and the rub For sometimes through the digital transference that is all we see Though the light is blinding. And the contest never as numbing as we would like. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:04:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Fickleyes, Futilears, & Wm. Wormswork Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed on the streets by yourself, Wm Ww, fishing for storied print grieve away, I’ll console you and we’ll exult pulp outward, composers harp on the rapidity which notes grind, persuasive advertisements unaccompanied by lecture, quick as a laugh landscape is about us, long before image or word your persistence arranged to share the name the new tone to outstrip prodigious coaches Wm. Wormswork expected a home for indoor opulence impatient now, they wept your words back to you accessible beauty of a larger threshold Mr. Hole's’s wooden mood susceptible to maintenance that text an expanse carries, blue over its blemish a great name smacks of a battery of finalists! this is your story, too – have fun with it lose your honesty, that stingy music lulls more than a great organ’s conceited noise corpses will not mind if hours are added to your days nor will your mortality hurt them, who’ll verify this, Will? the living have dressed for success, cruelty to wake them... _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:56:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: sound recordings In-Reply-To: <2f.370f368d.2bb3228d@cs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" also, naropa university library has an extensive tape collection which i'm sure includes at least duncan and howe. At 10:34 AM -0500 3/26/03, Gloria Frym wrote: >Contact Kush, official archivist at New College of California in San >Francisco. The Poetics Program, in which I taught for 15 years, was founded >for Robert Duncan. In addition to numerous audio/video tapes of Duncan, Kush >probably has audio tapes of a several day conference on Emily Dickinson, in >which Susan Howe participates, as well as Creeley, Bob Grenier and others. >There is a treasure trove just waiting for someone to use. > >Best, Gloria Frym -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:15:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: An Illustrated History of Amphibious Stigmata Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed cemetery dances, pass them by without recovering from your bit of candle, they easily class themselves within a narrow bonhomie I have read a second time who gets by in that business after a lounge, Wm. Wormswork's petrified by theatrical splendor these entertainers have given up their old humble knowledge founder of a vague notion for his daily rendezvous their performance attempted the halftone as only a great mimic has caught, Virginia's urgency reluctant words deplore his wasted image monumental pretense, such half-lights consistent with spite imprisonment of wickedness a beautiful insurance undivided suffix decked with tentative inscriptions the third word armed with a sheer drop, a phrase ignorant of candor, such dance resides in the letter V _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:05:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Machlin Subject: Bernstein | Yankelevich reading this Saturday, NYC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, March 29, 4 PM, NYC Charles Bernstein and Matvei Yankelevich Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 Admission $4 Charles Bernstein is Chair-Pro-Temp and Chief Operating Officer of the Hennie Youngman Institute for Avant-Garde Comedy and Stand-up Poetry. He is no longer associated with Fund for Dysraphic Studies. His recent books include With Strings , Republics of Reality: 1975-1995 and A Conversation with David Antin. Matvei Yankelevich is surely one of the most prolific members of the poetry community in New York City. He is the founding Editor of Ugly Duckling Presse, a non-profit/(well anti-profit) publisher of experimental books, artist-writer collaborations and periodicals such as the poetry journal 6x6, the EMERGENCY gazette, a free downtown theater broadsheet, and New York Nights, a free newspaper of poetry and politics. He is also an ANTI-READING member artist and has sponsored numerous such poetic actions at noted venues such as TONIC throughout NYC. He is the author of "Writing in the Margin" from Loudmouth Collective and Borises by the Sea. His poems and translations have appeared in Lungfull, neotrope, canwehaveourballback, 3AM Magazine, Balaklava, 20th Century Russian Poetry in Translation and his translations of Russian absurdist work from the 1930's (will Eugene Ostashevsky) recently appeared in New American Writing. The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:36:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: sound recordings In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Hello polistians, >As part of my dissertation research and general pleasure principal >drive gratification, I'm looking for sound recordings of readings or >lectures by Susan Howe, Nathaniel Mackey, and Robert Duncan. Using >the tools at my disposal, I've found THREE recordings total, one of >which so far is non-circulating for inter-library loan. > >Are there folks on the list who have such recordings? I would be glad There is an LP by, I think, Stream, Records in England. Of "Letters". maybe. My tape of Duncan's circa 1967 reading in Montreal is at the special collections at Simon Fraser University. -- George Bowering Didn't know a Flanaghan Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:42:56 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: God Bless America, God Bless Texas, God Bless the Sodomy Ban? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030326-124712-8943r The Houston police broke into a gay couple's home WHILE THEY WERE HAVING SEX and ARRESTED THEM FOR SODOMY? That is FUCKED. It seems that in Texas if you've been fucked in the ass they'll send you to jail, but if you've been FUCKED IN THE HEAD they'll make you Governor. Or President, for that matter. Jesus FUCKING Christ!!! It was bad enough we North Carolinians elected Jesse Helms over and over, apparently in an effort to help Jesse and his cracker pals gang-rape the world. I hope Texas will secede, so that Texans may have the right to save themselves once and from all from humanity. Patrick Court hears challenge to Texas sodomy ban By Michael Kirkland UPI Legal Affairs Correspondent From the Washington Politics & Policy Desk Published 3/26/2003 2:03 PM View printer-friendly version WASHINGTON, March 26 (UPI) -- The Supreme Court, in a case that reaches to the core of American values, heard argument Wednesday on whether Texas or any other state can ban private homosexual conduct between consenting adults. A gay couple -- charged with violating the sodomy ban after police entered a Houston area home and found them having sex -- is challenging the Texas ban. Speaking for the couple before the Supreme Court Wednesday, Washington attorney Paul Smith said his clients were asking the court to rule on more than just the unfairness of the law. The Texas statute applies only to homosexuals, and the couple contends that violates the 14th Amendment's guarantee of equal protection under the law. Smith said his clients are also asking the Supreme Court to recognize "the right of all adult couples, whether same-sex or not, to be free from all forms of government intrusion into their chosen method of sexual expression." Speaking for Texas, Harris County District Attorney Charles Rosenthal Jr. said the Lone Star State's ban "does not violate the 14th Amendment ... because the Constitution has never recognized a fundamental right to engage in extra-marital sex." Moreover, the law targets homosexual conduct, Rosenthal said, not homosexuals themselves. Texas and Kansas ban homosexual sodomy outright. Missouri enforces its ban in only parts of the state. Oklahoma's ban against sodomy by heterosexuals and homosexuals alike has been reduced by a court ruling to a ban against homosexuals only. Another nine states ban sodomy, or anal sex, for everyone, at least outside of marriage. "At the most specific level," Texas told the Supreme Court in a brief before the argument, "the nation has a long-standing tradition, only recently waning, of criminalizing anal sodomy -- the offense once known as 'buggery' -- as a serious criminal offense." The Supreme Court last ruled in 1986's Bowers vs. Hardwick that homosexual conduct was not protected by the Constitution. The decision upheld Georgia's sodomy ban. The Texas two men are asking the justices to reverse that 1986 precedent. Sheriff's deputies entered John Lawrence's home late in the evening of Sept. 17, 1998, to investigate what turned out to be a false report from a neighbor of a "weapon disturbance." "There, they intruded on Lawrence and (Tyron) Garner having sex," the men's petition said. After being convicted in a justice of the peace court, the men filed motions to suppress the charges on the grounds that the law is unconstitutional. When those motions failed, the men pleaded no contest, were found guilty and paid $200 fines, plus court costs. Though a three-judge panel of the state Court of Appeals reversed the men's convictions under the Texas Equal Rights Amendment, the full appeals court reversed. The Supreme Court of the United States then agreed to review the case. In Wednesday's argument, Smith constantly reinforced his argument that the case involved a fundamental right of all people, not just a violation of the equal protection clause that affected homosexuals. Only one member of the nine-member court actively questioned him. Justice Antonin Scalia repeatedly probed Smith's argument for weaknesses. The law unfairly targets homosexuals, Smith argued. Even Texas concedes that the sexual conduct of married couples cannot be regulated. "Maybe so," Scalia shot back, "but I haven't conceded it." Smith tried to parry Scalia's contention that a fundamental right had to be recognized throughout the nation's history before it could be recognized by the courts. Some rights evolve, Smith said. "The American people have moved on to where they assume that (sexual) right is available to everyone," Smith said. "They would be shocked if they knew" that some states still ban sodomy. In making his argument for Texas, Rosenthal repeatedly emphasized states' rights. The Supreme Court settled the matter in its 1986 decision in the Georgia case, he said, adding, "We believe Bowers vs. Hardwick is good law." As for Smith's argument on the evolution of public attitudes, Rosenthal said, "There's nothing in the values or mores of our country that have changed" since Bowers. "There is no fundamental right." If a change in the law should be made, Rosenthal argued, it should come "from the Statehouse of Texas, not this court," and the impetus should come from "the people of Texas." Texas has the right to regulate any sexual behavior, up to a certain "line," when it doesn't approve of the behavior, Rosenthal insisted: "It's our position that line should drawn at the marital bedroom." Not all of Wednesday's argument was serious, and several exchanges drew laughter from the audience. Justice Stephen Breyer told Rosenthal it appeared that Texas was claiming the right to ban private sexual behavior simply because it didn't like it. From the bench, Breyer quoted in its entirety a poem written in 1680 by an Oxford student, Tom Brown, who was temporarily "sent down," or expelled, by a professor, Dr. John Fell. "I do not love thee, Dr. Fell, The reason why I cannot tell; But this alone I know full well, I do not love thee, Dr. Fell." The Supreme Court should rule on the case before recessing for the summer in late June or early July. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:11:02 +0530 Reply-To: Aryanil Mukherjee Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Nobel Winners not spared MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; bengali = "yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Nobel Winners not spared MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; bengali = "yes" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ---------------------------------------- You may see this mail in Bengali by typing http://www.banglalive.com/mail/inbengali.php?id=54690&SID=5198f82d157de914ec8332622e7a6d1b in your browser. Easier still, you can just copy and paste the URL. dhanyabaad!!! Get your free BanglaMail at http://www.banglalive.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:08:42 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: ATLANTA??? In-Reply-To: <3E81E402.E7971401@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I second Chris here; Atlanta, the poetics list is paging you! Robert -- Robert Corbett "I will discuss perfidy with scholars as rcor@u.washington.edu as if spurning kisses, I will sip Department of English the marble marrow of empire. I want sugar University of Washington but I shall never wear shame and if you call that sophistry then what is Love" - Lisa Robertson On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Chris Stroffolino Stroffolino wrote: > I know there are (or used to be) some people on this list who occasionally post > poetry events or reading groups that happen in Atlanta---- > (but I forgot who.......).... > > Could you backchannel me please? > > thanks, > > Chris > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:18:57 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Walker Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dictionaries look at words by themselves but it seems that as semantic units they exist in combinations Cf frame semantics. The idea is that words exist within a semantic frame. This is partly just the idea of context: a 'hearse' requires the context of a funeral. But it goes beyond context in that (crudely) a frame will comprise both concepts (death, mourning, etc) and frame elements (deceased, mode of disposal, bereaved, mourners etc), some of which will be local primitives (body, grave etc). In a dictionary, various and disparate meanings are organised under the same headword. In a thesaurus, the headword is a concept under which are entries broadly consonant with that concept but varying widely as to context. Under the entry for 'bury' in a dictionary organised by frames (to imagine such a thing) might be semantic information about the elements making up the frame (thus 'bury' and 'cremate' would be alternates of the frame element *mode of disposal*) and also syntactic information (the mourners bury the deceased, not vice versa, for example). I hope I've got that right. At any rate an explanation of collocations such as 'high dudgeon' might usefully draw on that style of analysis, as upon the general principle that, as well as being *heat*, anger is frequently, metaphorically *up* (blowing up, flaring up, getting one's temper or one's dander up and so on and so forth) one of the points of the artistic basis of poetry seems to be the ability, or 'knack', of putting words in unexpected combinations Related both to what you say and what I say above is the idea of 'webplay'. This term was invented by the lexicographer and Dickinson specialist Cynthia Hallen to describe ED's habit of introducing into poems items (including etymologies) found in the definitions of headwords found in the family dictionary, which was the 1844 reprint of Webster's 1841 edition. CW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:27:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Clay Subject: Granary Book Sale--one day only 3/29! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" FREEBIES ! SPECIAL PRICES ON GRANARY PUBLICATIONS ! OVER 5,000 VOLUMES IN STOCK ! HUGE DISCOUNTS ! AMAZING VIEWS OF F.I.T ! March forward with a big book sale! Granary Books will have a fantastic, shelf-clearing, recession-priced book sale on March 29th. The offices at 307 7th Avenue (between 27th & 28th Streets), 14th Floor, will open at 12 noon and stay that way until 5 PM. Granary does not keep regular shop hours, however, we do have an amazing inventory of about 5,000 volumes of mostly recent (sixties, seventies, eighties - approaching the present) American (with some Canadian and British) poetry and little magazines. Don't live in NYC - or can't attend the sale in person? Our stock can be viewed worldwide, Saturday, online at http://abebooks.com/home/GRANARY/ .. [BUT PLEASE NOTE: The books are currently off-line - the inventory will be restored Saturday noon to 5 for off-site searches and orders.] This is a most rare opportunity to see and buy these books in person. In addition to the rare and out-of-print material we'll offer many of the Granary publications at sale prices. The sale is for 5 hours ONLY - and applies to ALL orders: in-house, phone, or internet. -- Steve Clay Granary Books, Inc. 307 Seventh Ave #1401 NY NY 10001 212 337 9979 fax 212 337 9774 www.granarybooks.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:58:21 -0800 Reply-To: mecr@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mecr Subject: Re: Academic choices In-Reply-To: <20030326040841.RAGJ3331.lakemtao06.cox.net@smtp.central.cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Brennen, I don't know if I can sum up all my thoughts about doing MFA vs. PhD in one succinct email, but I wanted to write you (via backchannel) because I did both. The comment about your having stumbled into the proverbial hornet's nest may have been puzzling. Many of the people on this list are highly suspicious of MFA programs because there is the sense that MFA programs institutionalize a kind of bland writing that deadens poetic practice. If you are interested in hearing a fuller elaboration of this, you might take a look at Rasula, Jed. The American Poetry Wax Museum: Reality Effects, 1940-1990. Refiguring English Studies. Ed. Stephen M. North. Urbana: National Council of Teachers of English, 1996. Rasula historicizes the emergence of writing programs. I just happened to be reading his book for some work on my dissertation. In his last chapter especially he goes into some detail about MFA programs and how they are tied to an impulse in American letters to canonize and standardize, a propensity that he links to New Critical reading practices propagated in the postwar period. This book is out of print but probably available at most university and college libraries. Not that you NEED to read Rasula's chapter to make a decision about grad school, but when I read this I wished that I'd had a bit more of a context when I chose to go to an MFA program. This is not to say that all MFA programs will turn all their students into creative writing drones churning out more or less similar first-person accounts of their inner lives (that model of poetry as therapy). I went to the program at University of Michigan straight out of college, really without knowing very much about it, but I was fortunate to stumble into the workshops of Alice Fulton, whose work I respect a great deal. She made it her business to try to wean young poets off of that model of the private lyric poet of the personal. Her work was experimental, compared to that of others teaching in the program, and she was interested in public issues and politics. I appreciate that influence to this day. That said, it could be a blessing to have two years to write poetry while taking a few classes, if you can afford it. Also the cultures of some MFA programs are focused on publication. If that is what you want, to write new poems, send them out, maybe get a few published, and perhaps begin to collect poems for a future manuscript, the MFA may be one way to start. I think if you do a PhD you may never "return" to do the MFA. The PhD is such a long road--really a little career in and of itself-- that you may be pretty burnt out on school by the time you're finished. On the other hand, maybe you don't need an MFA to write poems and publish them. Granted a PhD program could take so much of your time that you might not find time to write, but if you surround yourself with like minded creative writing types, sign up to teach creative writing classes, and start your own writing group, you could have the same effect. University of Buffalo (SUNY) has a poetics PhD program, which seems to produce a lot of scholar-poets. People who write books of poems AND produce scholarly essays on poetry and poetics. At one time Cornell University had a joint MFA-PhD program, in which you sort of do both degrees concurrently. I don't know if they still have this, but you could certainly check out their web site. (Speaking of Cornell, I think that's where Alice Fulton is right now.) The question you're asking is an interesting one, in part because, as you may already have discovered, there is generally a sort of schism between MFA programs and the English Departments in which they are housed. This sometimes emerges as defensive antintellectualism, including fear of theory, on the part of MFA students (and sometimes MFA faculty) and dismissiveness on the part of PhD students (and faculty). I don't want to alarm you with such generalizations, but that is what I have observed, and it is a tendency that Rasula confirms in his book. Perhaps you could be a person who bridges the gap between these two worlds, since there's no reason to think poetry can't be critical, theoretical, or intellectual; and no reason to thing criticism can't be creative, carefully crafted, even lyrical. Again I think Rasula's little (and sometimes polemical) history might be a useful way to contextualize your decision, but you don't have to take his or anyone else's looking askance at MFA programs as a verdict on your desires. If you pick a place where you know you will can work with someone whose work you respect, you could make your experience at an MFA program as rigorous as you want. (Especially if you take the "serious" scholarly coursework that most of your MFA colleagues will not bother with--again that was my experience.) Keep in mind too that PhD programs don't mean the end of your creative writing life. On the contrary, my writing has really changed in exhilarating ways thanks to the scholarly work I have done. Studying Susan Howe, for example, has inspired me a lot and changed the way I see what poetry can do and what materials are at my disposal. There are also questions of career beyond grad school. There are two kinds of jobs you could get as a result of your training. MFAs with books published can get jobs teaching creative writing, sometimes in other MFA programs. Whereas PhDs have a different set of jobs to apply to--jobs where you teach mostly scholarly courses, and perhaps composition, but probably not creative writing. Some jobs on the most recent MLA job list actually asked for applicants that could do both. (I don't know much about doctoral programs in creative writing, like the one at Denver, but they strike me as just really long MFA programs.) Where are you? Are you finished with undergrad work? What do your advisors, if any, say in response to your question? Good luck to you, and keep in touch if need be, Maria Elena -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Brennen Lukas Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:09 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Academic choices Greetings listers, I'm in the process of deciding where to attend graduate school, having applied to a variety of programs. In terms of pursuing an academic career, what is the current thinking on the merits of the creative writing M.A. vs. the M.F.A. vs. the PhD in, say, comparative literature? Specifically, is an M.F.A. superfluous to a student who eventually intends to obtain a PhD.? Would an M.F.A. holder have to start afresh in order to obtain a doctorate? Same question for M.A. Do M.A. holders have difficulty applying their credits to doctorate programs at different schools? I'm very attracted to the artistic focus of creative writing programs, but I'm also cognizant of the practical concerns of educational rank in the academic hierarchy. I'm a little worried that an M.F.A will handcuff me when it comes to university teaching jobs. I'm sure that many of you are well versed in the intricacies of these issues and I'd be most grateful for your thoughts. Sincerely, Brennen Lukas http://members.cox.net/blukas/frames_index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:54:36 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: john chris jones Subject: from a digital diary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Encouraged by Alan Sondheim's reference to my website I decided to mention two recent entries to my digital diary. One was written after visiting a protest against the war: http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk/2.2/digital_diary_03.03.22.html and the other while watching the movements of birds and other creatures: http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk/2.2/digital_diary_03.03.24.html john chris jones (the whole website is at http://www.softopia.demon.co.uk/2.2/ ) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:01:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anyone with Brenda Hillman's email address please backchannel. Thanks. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:09:29 -0500 Reply-To: "Frost, Corey" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Frost, Corey" Organization: CUNY Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MWP wrote: > > Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a > > flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little > > heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s > > normal. > > GB - If you are engaging in this relentless bit of America-baiting in order > to get somebody to call you an ass, well then I will oblige: You are an ass. > You clearly know next to nothing of American culture, and come across as a > pompous moron. So stop with this gratuitous trash-talk, okay? I have several > good Canadian friends, but this cartoon version of America-bashing is rancid > and trite and vomit-inducing, not to mention very much undeserving of a > poet1s voice. I can understand the feeling of frustration, MWP. But I don't see what's so inflammatory about George Bowering's comment. Really, if the Pledge of Allegiance is not a form of brainwashing, then what is it? At least, it's getting a good early start on inculcating the citizenry with jingoistic patriotism. Do you think there would be as much support for this idiotic war as there is if so many people weren't patriotically stultified by the mere sight of stars and stripes? On the other hand, Mr. Bowering, I don't see any reason for you to act so high and mighty. That is, I seem to recall maple leaves flying in my elementary-school classrooms, and singing "Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee" every morning before class. -A Canadian in New York. -- Corey Frost * 718-855-8042 * 135 Plymouth St. #309A, Brooklyn, NY 11201 cfrost@gc.cuny.edu Bits World: www.attcanada.ca/~coreyf ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:47:12 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: What poets/people might do In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Now that Iraq is under attack what can a concerned peacenik do ? If you want to donate to a non-government agency engaged in assisting war refugees and wounded civilians then click here for the Oxfam collection site http://www.caa.org.au/world/eurasia/iraq/donations.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:14:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Daley Subject: OH ATLANTA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii many things atlanta can be found on the APG website i believe (that is, the atlanta poets group site) featuring um let's see dana lustig, james sanders, )ohn lowther (that's his gig, that j-thing), someone named i think j.s. vanbuzzkirk (some of these names i'm getting from a cd-collection of a rockin readin they did a while back, 60 1-minute poems...i won't go on - but also bill lavender put together an anthology on univ. of alabama press (what are those bamers up to?) - if j.s. van buzz kirk is listening, i'd like to ask how her the games-event night went at the art spot gallery (?), how does on get that ole timey feeling? RD --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:07:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/turmoil/ Comments: cc: Nettime List , "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , Renee Vaverchak , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and this. from. marcGarrett. of further.field! http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/turmoil/ furtherfield wrote:From: "furtherfield" To: "lewis lacook" Subject: http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/turmoil/ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 02:51:28 -0000 http://www.furtherfield.org/mgarrett/turmoil/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:11:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: Ron Silliman's "thug state" . . . um . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MWP wrote: > > Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a > > flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little > > heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s > > normal. > > GB - If you are engaging in this relentless bit of America-baiting in order > to get somebody to call you an ass, well then I will oblige: You are an ass. > You clearly know next to nothing of American culture, and come across as a > pompous moron. So stop with this gratuitous trash-talk, okay? I have several > good Canadian friends, but this cartoon version of America-bashing is rancid > and trite and vomit-inducing, not to mention very much undeserving of a > poet1s voice. CF wrote: I can understand the feeling of frustration, MWP. But I don't see what's so inflammatory about George Bowering's comment. Really, if the Pledge of Allegiance is not a form of brainwashing, then what is it? At least, it's getting a good early start on inculcating the citizenry with jingoistic patriotism. Do you think there would be as much support for this idiotic war as there is if so many people weren't patriotically stultified by the mere sight of stars and stripes? On the other hand, Mr. Bowering, I don't see any reason for you to act so high and mighty. That is, I seem to recall maple leaves flying in my elementary-school classrooms, and singing "Oh Canada we stand on guard for thee" every morning before class. -A Canadian in New York. -- Corey Frost * 718-855-8042 * 135 Plymouth St. #309A, Brooklyn, NY 11201 cfrost@gc.cuny.edu Bits World: www.attcanada.ca/~coreyf LL wrote: Language is a virus from outer space... ------------------------------------------ ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:44:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the birds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the birds i assigned the thrashers the lower part of the first half - i assigned the catbirds the second and third parts of the first half - to the fourth part i assigned catbirds - to the upper half i assigned woodpeckers - to the keyboard i assigned stop twenty-six on the alesis reverb - i assigned the deepest forest of primordial connecticut massachusetts - the length and breadth of primordial connecticut massachusetts - to the looping parameters sixty and sixty-one i assigned oo and ff - the full looping of the primordial birds - i would play the birds neither as chorus nor choir nor parliament - the birds were neither medieval nor debating - nor were they discussing the exigencies of love in desperate times - they were lonely in their nestings and their calls were mournful - they yearned for communality in the dark and primordial forest - they called on occasion and called on occasion in their loneliness - calling and calling in the primordial forest of sound - === ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:54:26 PST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ashley D. Edwards" Subject: Re: the birds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Beautiful. I do love this. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:22:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: the birds In-Reply-To: <11537057@rosencrantz.reed.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Beautiful. > >I do love this. What? -- George Bowering More Canadian than ever. Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:24:25 +1100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pam=20Brown?= Subject: what can we do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Michael Helsem & Masha Zavialova, What can we do ? - I'm doing this - (as well as rallying against this invasion)- Now that Iraq is under attack what can a concerned peacenik do ? If you want to donate to a non-government agency engaged in assisting war refugees and wounded civilians then click here for the Oxfam collection site http://www.caa.org.au/world/eurasia/iraq/donations.html Thanks, Pam Brown Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:10:58 +0000 From: michael helsem Subject: Re: what can poets do >From: Masha Zavialova >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: what can poets do >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:54:19 -0600 > >What can poets do? > ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Latest book - "Text thing" available from Little Esther Books - eafbooks@eaf.asn.au http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:30:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: thug state In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to George Bowering for saying about America what needs to be said.=20 Say it again and again and again, George. One of the weird things I've been noticing about American political=20 discourse is that it's almost not there. There is this weird taboo here=20 about talking "politics." Last week I heard three people yell --yell-- when= =20 someone brought up the war. I heard a war supporter yell, "Shut the fuck=20 up!" to someone who said that though he supported the war he was sickened=20 by the bombing in Baghdad. Last Thursday when i went to an anti-war rally, I asked students in my=20 intro to cw class to, while I was gone, to write a collaborative=20 stichomythia about the war, one voice opposing and one supporting (no=20 middle ground allowed in the tradition of some stichomythia I perversely=20 told them, ). When the students began to discuss the war as they=20 collaborated in their groups, two students -- both avowed republicans --=20 began verbally abusing the other students, telling them they ought to shut= up. MWP's response to you, George, is I'm afraid what has replaced regular talk= =20 in the States: appeals to shut up, be quiet, that our tolerance is at an=20 end, that we're "sick" of all this or of all that: it's common rhetoric in= =20 the States, though I've no idea if MWP is American, it's kind of an=20 American rhetorical tactic: yokel A saying he/she is sick or offended and=20 that it is therefore incumbent upon yokel B to shut up. I live in central Illinois, in a pretty cool couple of towns (one of which= =20 is called "Normal"), and I wear a magnetic 4x6 sticker on my car that says= =20 NO IRAQ WAR. But since last week I've found large screws in two of my tires= =20 and oil smeared all over one of my doors. Now I leave my sticker on when I= =20 drive around or when I park the car outside my apartment. But when I park=20 on campus near the frat houses, I remove teh sticker. Appeals to shut up, be quiet; statements to the effect that tolerance is=20 running thin: these happen in violent communities. RAther than "talk=20 politics" most Americans just "receive politics" -- from cnn, fox, abc, nbc= =20 -- or they shout people down. This is a place where the BBC is considered a= =20 "liberal" medium. Keep it up, George. Gabe At 06:59 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, MWP wrote: >on 3/25/03 12:17 PM, George Bowering at bowering@SFU.CA wrote: > > >> Guys- > >> > >> Give me a break. George, what's your point? > >> > >> Aaron, of course- the Japanese-American internment. Still, the USA's > >> never been an ocean-to-ocean police state for all its citizens. > > > > Maybe not, but it has always brainwashed its kids. I mean, come on, a > > flag in the classroom? Putting your little hand over your little > > heart and pledging allegience? You USAmericans probably think that;'s > > normal. > > -- > > George Bowering > > Didn't know a Flanaghan > > Fax 604-266-9000 > > >GB - If you are engaging in this relentless bit of America-baiting in order >to get somebody to call you an ass, well then I will oblige: You are an= ass. >You clearly know next to nothing of American culture, and come across as a >pompous moron. So stop with this gratuitous trash-talk, okay? I have= several >good Canadian friends, but this cartoon version of America-bashing is= rancid >and trite and vomit-inducing, not to mention very much undeserving of a >poet=B9s voice. I only hope you are doing it with your tongue deeply buried >within your cheek and are not being serious, in which case I can agree to >laugh WITH you rather than AT. There are more thoughtful ways to express >outrage over the current war, or the United States, or whatever is your >target here, than to posit absurd notions of brainwashing and quote silly >statistics. I sincerely hope that your words do not represent the average >intellectual level of leftist critique in Canada, as it is pathetic. > >No offense GB, really, but my tolerance level for idiocy on all sides has >been awfully low lately. I am sick of the anarchists for carrying molotov >cocktails to a peace rally, sick of the conservatives for reviving the bad >old slogan "Love it or Leave it", sick of the mass media for making light= of >dissent, etc. I had hoped the level of debate at a place like the Poetics >Forum would be a little less adolescent than elsewhere, and it usually is. >So let=B9s keep it that way, please, as emotions are already frayed enough! >Many of us are in deep pain over what is happening right now, and don=B9t= need >stupid comments like this latest post by GB to add to the anguish. > > >-mwp _____________________________________________________ "But by a timely mixture of ignorance, thoughtlessness, forgetfulness of evil, hope of good, and a dash of delight, I bring relief from troubles...." --Desiderius Erasmus, The Praise of Folly Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:42:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Masha Zavialova Subject: Re: what poets can do In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what can poets do Was it Khlebnikov who, after a girl rejected him, said 'What can i do? Maybe write still better poetry?" A lot is implied here. Did he mean to say, among other things, that he had one body or rather did he insist on having just one body? and another quotation: in his work "Party Organization and Party Literature" Lenin said that 'all literature should be Party literature' but all literature IS party literature. i want to write more about Russian poetry after perestroika in terms what it did to the language but today is a bad day. masha -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Christine Murray Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:30 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: what poets can do Masha, Thanks for taking on the question, which I see from how I asked it was already slipping out of its green pod of *what can poetry do?* to a blue pod of *what can poets do?* It's no doubt a symptom of the illusion of my fluctuating "I"-- in that I'd like to believe there is agency, and experience would seem to bear it out, but so many better thinkers than I have already decided the question is moot. Or so I've been loudly reminded in some academic settings. Nothing lost, then, by asking, right? I think when I asked about what poetry can do the other day it was while heading out of a loop about war and morality (the question was: is war wrong? and yes, it is always wrong, as I was roundly reminded by Aryanil). It was a note more of exasperation on (yet again) realizing the disparity between knowing of (that day's and countless days of) brute acts of war, and a growing sense of (my own and many others I'm sure) futility about how even when poetry is most adequate an agitation to the larger *desiring machine* it is not much of a match for *manunkind*'s other favorite rhetorical (brute-physical) machinations or (now bushy-cnn-marked) real and symbolic wmds. Perhaps this is intellectualizing too much?--as I've also recently been reminded. But in view of what you explained about poetry and the past era of Russian poetry/language, would you care to comment on how that tendency may or may not have evolved there to the present? Email me directly if you'd prefer that venue. Again, thanks for so thoughtful a response. Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:44:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Re: thug state In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030326092016.01ba79a8@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 3/26/03 10:30 PM, Gabriel Gudding at gmguddi@ILSTU.EDU wrote: > MWP's response to you, George, is I'm afraid what has replaced regular ta= lk > in the States: appeals to shut up, be quiet, that our tolerance is at an > end, that we're "sick" of all this or of all that: it's common rhetoric i= n > the States, though I've no idea if MWP is American, it's kind of an > American rhetorical tactic: yokel A saying he/she is sick or offended and > that it is therefore incumbent upon yokel B to shut up. GG=B9s comments on the straw man he has prefabulated from my words are so exasperatingly off base that I don=B9t know where to begin in responding. Maybe silence, then (to paraphrase Ashbery), should have the last word, at least from my end, as there doesn=B9t seem to be any way otherwise to free myself from the great sucking morass of confusion on this topic that seems to be getting stickier by the minute. Nonetheless, I will continue to speak out against bigotry and hatred wherever it emerges and against whomever it is directed (including Americans); and if that causes people like GG to emerge from the muck to accuse me of saying exactly the opposite of what I stand for, I can only hope that the clarity of my original words will speak for themselves to those who know how to read. m ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:57:55 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: muse apprentic guild Subject: muse apprentice guild - new today MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit www.muse-apprentice-guild.com the m.a.g. has a new denmark liaison the m.a.g. has received a 300-page novel by stephen-paul martin and a 550-page poem by harry polkinhorn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 04:57:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Invasive Procedures Comments: cc: Nettime List , "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , Renee Vaverchak , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I say the word "body" into a wind of room; vintage unknown, but hair sandwiched between clasps of war, ashy like "civilian casualties." Over here it's morning again; whole roads are free of rubble, stones are where they belong (in stores and fast-food palaces, republic'd) (not "embedded" in a percussive tuck, in "news"). Ah! Your suspect awakening, so fitful and upset by dreaming rodents in the house! Over there it's all gale-force(d) womb... 2003/03/27 07:41:08 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:28:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Powell: "Fuck the U.N." Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com Powell: "Fuck the U.N." By BURTON HALLEY The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 06:25:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: maria damon Subject: Stand for Peace & Justice Comments: To: carolroos@earthlink.net, oconn001@umn.edu, ismai004@umn.edu, lcucullu@umn.edu, susanlannen@hotmail.com Content-type: text/plain Dear Friends, Please consider adding your name to the following statement. If, after reading it, you like what it has to say, please take a few seconds to visit http://www.zmag.org/wspj and add your name to the statement. The statement was released on March 27, 2003, and already more than 73 have signed on! I stand for peace and justice. I stand for democracy and autonomy. I don’t think the U.S. or any other country should ignore the popular will and violate and weaken international law, seeking to bully and bribe votes in the Security Council. I stand for internationalism. 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At 6:27 PM -0500 3/26/03, Steve Clay wrote: >FREEBIES ! >SPECIAL PRICES ON GRANARY PUBLICATIONS ! >OVER 5,000 VOLUMES IN STOCK ! >HUGE DISCOUNTS ! >AMAZING VIEWS OF F.I.T ! > >March forward with a big book sale! Granary Books will have a >fantastic, shelf-clearing, recession-priced book sale on March 29th. >The offices at 307 7th Avenue (between 27th & 28th Streets), 14th >Floor, will open at 12 noon and stay that way until 5 PM. > >Granary does not keep regular shop hours, however, we do have an >amazing inventory of about 5,000 volumes of mostly recent (sixties, >seventies, eighties - approaching the present) American (with some >Canadian and British) poetry and little magazines. Don't live in NYC >- or can't attend the sale in person? Our stock can be viewed >worldwide, Saturday, online at http://abebooks.com/home/GRANARY/ .. >[BUT PLEASE NOTE: The books are currently off-line - the inventory >will be restored Saturday noon to 5 for off-site searches and orders.] > > >This is a most rare opportunity to see and buy these books in person. >In addition to the rare and out-of-print material we'll offer many of >the Granary publications at sale prices. The sale is for 5 hours ONLY >- and applies to ALL orders: in-house, phone, or internet. > >-- >Steve Clay >Granary Books, Inc. >307 Seventh Ave #1401 >NY NY 10001 > >212 337 9979 >fax 212 337 9774 >www.granarybooks.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:18:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaiti Subject: FW: [gulfwar-2] Want to understand the 'cooperation' of the Army engineers and civil parties? Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Rob Geurtsen [mailto:groei@xs4all.nl] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:33 PM To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [gulfwar-2] Want to understand the 'cooperation' of the Army engineers and civil parties? check: http://www.army.mil/usapa/doctrine/DR_pubs/dr_a/pdf/fm5_116.pdf http://tinyurl.com/88ou The field Manual for the engineers, with fascinating paragraphs on relation building, networking and contracting of both corporate partners as well as working with NGO's. Rob Rob Geurtsen Robbert's Coachen & Consultancy Wien - Zoetermeer Mobile 7/24 Tel. +31 (0)653 701 351 E-mail: groei@xs4all.nl Postal-Address: Savelsbos 223 2716 HL Zoetermeer The Netherlands Disclaimer 1. This e-mail is for the intended recipient only. 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One of the few media outlets that acknowledges tha censorship by the western-governments openly and that the editors therefore cannot accept responsibility for the truthfullness of the news. (I called them and two editors explained how they had to pressure the leadership from the paper to do this.) rob ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/3hSolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> For more information, please visit: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulfwar-2/files/GULWAR-2%20FAQ To unsubscribe, send an email to: gulfwar-2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! 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KRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZY KRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZYKRZYKAZY ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:50:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: It was an outrage, an obscenity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Robert Fisk reporting on the bomb attack that killed at least 17 = civilians and wounded 45. http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=3D391165 ______________________ "We bomb. They suffer. Then we turn up and take pictures of their = wounded children." Robert Fisk London Independent http://www.independent.co.uk 23 March 2003 Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:45:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: 'shock and awe' for your headphones Comments: To: webartery Comments: cc: Nettime List , thingist , wryting , rhizome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/sound/LewisLaCook_cruelGirlfriend.mp3 http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:55:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: { brad brace } From: Poetics List Administration Subject: 12hr update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _______ _ __ ___ _ _ |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |__| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| _| |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ |_ ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |_| _ |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| _ _/ | _ |__/ > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves no privilege to any center. The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... [ see ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/books.txt ] KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.idiom.com /users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $50/mo $500/yr. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/] -- (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:29:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <002201c2f470$2bdd19a0$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think that anyone who believes that the United States armed forces are not bending over backwards to avoid killing or injuring Iraqi civilians is insane. One can even suspect that they are doing so for political rather than humanitarian reasons, and retain one's leftist standing. The point is, that they are doing so, occasional misfires notwithstanding. Otherwise, how can one account for the number of civilians in Baghdad who are still alive? Now, then, anyone for a discussion of poetry? --Bob G. (perhaps the only one contributing to this forum who is certain he lacks sufficient pertinent data about the Middle East to have a worthwhile opinion about the ongoing war) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:34:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Isat@AOL.COM Subject: what poets can do (Pushkin and War) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pushkin and War The war is raging, Pushkin keeps on writing The war is raging, Pushkin keeps on writing The war is raging, Pushkin keeps on writing The war is raging on and on and on But Pushkin keeps on writing writing writing But Pushkin keeps on writing writing writing But Pushkin keeps on writing writing writing The war still rages on and on and on. . . Пушкин и Война Война идёт, а Пушкин пишет Война идёт, а Пушкин пишет Война идёт, а Пушкин пишет Война идёт, идёт, идёт А Пушкин пишет пишет пишет А Пушкин пишет пишет пишет А Пушкин пишет пишет пишет Война идёт идёт идёт... Igor Satanovsky kojapress.com Silting the appraisable since 1969! _________ In a message dated 3/27/2003 1:42:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, zavi0004@UMN.EDU writes: > what can poets do > Was it Khlebnikov who, after a girl rejected him, said 'What can i do? Maybe > write still better poetry?" A lot is implied here. Did he mean to say, among > other things, that he had one body or rather did he insist on having just > one body? > and another quotation: in his work "Party Organization and Party Literature" > Lenin said that 'all literature should be Party literature' but all > literature IS party literature. i want to write more about Russian poetry > after perestroika in terms what it did to the language but today is a bad > day. > masha > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Christine Murray > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 11:30 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: what poets can do > > > Masha, > > Thanks for taking on the question, which I see from how I asked it was > already slipping out of its green pod of *what can poetry do?* to a blue pod > of *what can poets do?* It's no doubt a symptom of the illusion of my > fluctuating "I"-- in that I'd like to believe there is agency, and > experience would seem to bear it out, but so many better thinkers than I > have already decided the question is moot. Or so I've been loudly reminded > in some academic settings. Nothing lost, then, by asking, right? > > I think when I asked about what poetry can do the other day it was while > heading out of a loop about war and morality (the question was: is war > wrong? and yes, it is always wrong, as I was roundly reminded by Aryanil). > It was a note more of exasperation on (yet again) realizing the disparity > between knowing of (that day's and countless days of) brute acts of war, and > a growing sense of (my own and many others I'm sure) futility about how even > when poetry is most adequate an agitation to the larger *desiring machine* > it is not much of a match for *manunkind*'s other favorite rhetorical > (brute-physical) machinations or (now bushy-cnn-marked) real and symbolic > wmds. Perhaps this is intellectualizing too much?--as I've also recently > been reminded. > > But in view of what you explained about poetry and the past era of Russian > poetry/language, would you care to comment on how that tendency may or may > not have evolved there to the present? Email me directly > if you'd prefer > that venue. Again, thanks for so thoughtful a response. > > Chris Murray > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:49:31 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christopher Walker wrote: >Related both to what you say and what I say above is the idea of 'webplay'. This term was invented by the lexicographer and Dickinson specialist Cynthia Hallen to describe ED's habit of introducing into poems items (including etymologies) found in the definitions of headwords found in the family dictionary, which was the 1844 reprint of Webster's 1841 edition.< I like this notion of 'webplay' and too the sense of the relation to the wordy arts of the ludic. Here I'm pondering though, very heavily, the questions of neologisms, of when they work and when they don't. I'm quite adept at them myself, but as far as I can work out it comes down to matters of timing and 'fitness', a lovely old sense of a word. Then I shall go off to play in an etymological sandpit!!!!!! 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AIM-missile launcher =95 =95 Helicopters =95 = battle=20 tanks =95 Multiple-rocket launchers =95 Attack submarines =95 AIRCRAFT=20= COALITION =95 Anthrax MUNITIONS COALITION COALITION =95 Landing craft, = air=20 cushioned Viewer discretion COALITION COALITION=95 3 armored =95 10 = Fast=20 =95 7000 linebackers =95 HARM 3D models (Cult- rocket system =95 = armored =20 laser-guided anti-armored Unmanned Aerial surface-to-air GROUND=20 COALITION models required) =95 M1A1 M2A3 3D M3 -1 EE-11 precision SU-25 = =95=20 Ricin Humvee Botulinum Wheat smut mphibious cruise Have Nap =20 Thermobaric group Mustards =95 anti-COALITION COALITION =95 Scud-ABC=92s = =95=20 Multiple-short-range-Zhuk patrol "Daisy cutters" =95 Avenger =95 = AIM-Fast =20 plug-in MUNITIONS COALITION COALITION=95 2,000-pound bomb =95 = Multiple-=20 surface-to-Multiple-anti-Attack submarine air-to-air systems =95 JSOW=20 MOAB AGM JSOW CS GBU - AIM-missile launcher =95 =95 Helicopters =95 = battle=20 tanks =95 Multiple-rocket launchers =95 Attack submarines =95 AIRCRAFT=20= COALITION =95 Anthrax=20= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:23:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Thomas Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <20030327162906.61947.qmail@web14707.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" (perhaps the only one contributing to this >forum who is certain he lacks sufficient pertinent >data about the Middle East to have a worthwhile >opinion about the ongoing war) How much data does it take before one can have a "worthwhile opinion"? Surely you're not suggesting we should leave the opinions to Those Who Know, like, say, the administration. Best, Joseph ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:05:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <4.1.20030327112109.01f271e0@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, I'm not sure the administration has that much data. Facts are stupid things anyway. For instance, see Timothy Garton Ash on the Kurds: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,922706,00.html Robert -- Robert Corbett "I will discuss perfidy with scholars as rcor@u.washington.edu as if spurning kisses, I will sip Department of English the marble marrow of empire. I want sugar University of Washington but I shall never wear shame and if you call that sophistry then what is Love" - Lisa Robertson On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Joseph Thomas wrote: > (perhaps the only one contributing to this > >forum who is certain he lacks sufficient pertinent > >data about the Middle East to have a worthwhile > >opinion about the ongoing war) > > How much data does it take before one can have a "worthwhile opinion"? > Surely you're not suggesting we should leave the opinions to Those Who > Know, like, say, the administration. > > Best, > Joseph > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:29:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Calling All Poets In Western MA!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Western MA poets, Please back channel me. thanks, Noah noaheligordon@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:44:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <4.1.20030327112109.01f271e0@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > (perhaps the only one contributing to this > >forum who is certain he lacks sufficient pertinent > >data about the Middle East to have a worthwhile > >opinion about the ongoing war) > > How much data does it take before one can have a > "worthwhile opinion"? A lot more than I have (and I'm sure I know less than most of the people sounding off about the war here but that's not saying much) about the history of the middle east, what's been going on in Iraq, about the terrorist network, about our own military capabilities, about the Iraqi people, about the oil situation, about the psychology of all the peoples of the area, about the US administrationand its possible ulterior motives, and much else that I lack the data (and interest--since art is much more important to me than history or politics) to know I'd need to know. > Surely you're not suggesting we should leave the > opinions to Those Who > Know, like, say, the administration. > > Best, > Joseph They have vastly better data than I have, I'm sure. I doubt that they know too well what they're doing, but I suspect they know better than their loudest critics. And similar people did get us to the moon. Whose opinion would I trust on this (minor) question? You got me. --Bob G. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:46:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Re: Granary Book Sale--one day only 3/29! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >>AMAZING VIEWS OF F.I.T ! >what's F.I.T.? Fashion Institute of Technology _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:34:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Dorothy Trujillo Lusk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have contact information for Dorothy Trujillo Lusk? e-mail, etcetera.. backchannel if you do... thanks, JS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:02:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: Fwd: Stan Brakhage (1933-2003): In Memorium / In Celebration In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This may be of interest to Chicago-area listmembers. Stay tuned for news concerning another screening at the Film Center of Brakhage's last films, including -Panels for the Walls of Heaven-, wch shd occur sometime in May. Eirik Steinhoff Editor * * * * * * * * Chicago Filmmakers Presents Wednesday, April 23 -- 7:00pm Chicago Cultural Center (78 E. Washington St., Claudia Cassidy Theater) Stan Brakhage (1933-2003): In Memorium / In Celebration A Special Memorial Screening Co-presented by Chicago Review and the Chicago Department of Cultural Affairs Stan Brakhage, who died on March 9, was a singular, visionary filmmaker and one of the great artists of the 20th century. His influence was profound, as a filmmaker, writer, teacher (including a long period at the School of the Art Institute in the 1970s and 80s), and person. Tonight's program, presented in memory of Brakhage the individual and in celebration of Brakhage the artist, features ten films generously provided by five Chicago-area admirers of Brakhage's work who personally own prints of his films: Mimi Brav, Fred Camper, Bruce Cooper, Ken Eisenstein, and Bill Stamets. Immediately after the screening, there will be an informal open microphone for people to share their remembrances of and stories about Stan and to speak on what his work has meant to them. The films showing cover most of Brakhage's amazing 50 year career and include a wide range of the explorations of light, color, texture, and rhythm that were at the heart of his aesthetic vision. Program: Desistfilm (1954, 7 mins., sound); Mothlight (1963, 4 mins., silent); Door (1971, 2 mins., silent); The Riddle of Lumen (1972, 17 mins., silent); The Roman Numeral Series III (1980, 2 mins. @ 18fps, silent); Egyptian Series (1983, 17 mins., silent); I ... Dreaming (1988, 8 mins., sound); Chartres Series (1994, 9 mins., silent); Commingled Containers (1997, 5 mins., silent); and Stately Mansions Did Decree (1999, 5.5 mins., silent). Plus Encomium (2003, 2 mins., silent), by Brian Frye. A short portrait film of Stan Brakhage. Admission is free and open to all. * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:31:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Art, Politics, and History In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii National Islamic group urges FBI to join investigation AMERICAN MUSLIM NEWS BRIEF | 3/26/2003 The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today called on federal authorities to aid the investigation of an incident in Indiana that left a Muslim businessman with burns over 60 percent of his body. The Washington-based Islamic civil rights and advocacy group says the 37-year-old Afghanistan native was injured Monday night at his restaurant in Indianapolis, Indiana. According to media reports, the man told officials he was cleaning up in the kitchen when two people burst in and set him on fire. Fire and police investigators tell CAIR that there is an ongoing investigation and that no possible motive is being ruled out. SEE: MOTIVE SOUGHT IN RESTAURANT FIRE "While the motive in this case is not yet clear, local authorities could benefit greatly from the resources and expertise of the FBI. Federal involvement would also help reassure the Muslim community in Indiana that their safety is a priority," said CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. Awad added that CAIR recently distributed a "Community Safety Kit" to help protect Muslims in North America during the war with Iraq. SEE: http://www.cair-net.org/safetykit A number of anti-Muslim incidents have been reported recently across the United States. CAIR attributes these incidents to the pro-war rhetoric leading up to the attack on Iraq, coupled with existing levels of anti-Muslim bias in American society. Just last Saturday, an explosive device destroyed an Illinois Muslim family's van. In other Illinois incidents, an Evanston resident received a mailed death threat, a Glendale Heights Islamic center received a phoned bomb threat and projectiles were fired at a mosque in Villa Park. In California, four Muslim women visiting a restaurant were verbally assaulted by another patron who made references to raping Muslim women and threatened them with physical assault. Death threats were made against Muslim students at San Jose State University in Northern California. In Michigan, a Muslim father and son report that they were refused service at a Meijer store in Fraser,Mich. Physical assaults against Muslims have been reported in Northern California, Southern California, Georgia, New Jersey, and South Carolina. One incident in Yorba Linda, Calif., left a Muslim teenager badly beaten by a group that allegedly included white supremacists. CAIR is America's largest Islamic civil liberties group. It is headquartered in Washington, D.C., and has 16 regional offices nationwide and in Canada. Since its founding in 1994, CAIR has defended the civil and religious rights of all Americans. ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:36:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <20030327184412.13201.qmail@web14702.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed They also had vastly better data when "they" invaded Cuba at the Bay of Pigs, invaded Vietnam, squashed Mosadegh and supported the Shah, etc. The data comes from biased sources--biased because all along the line, from informant to handler to receiver at whatever espionage agency, there's an impulse to tell the boss what he wants to hear-- and is then filtered by folks with axes to grind--they know the results they want their data to demonstrate. And they haven't been doing a very good job of getting it right. One suspects that they mat not be interested in getting it right so much as in furthering short-term goals. Which is why it behooves us to do our own research and our own deciding. Mark > > Surely you're not suggesting we should leave the > > opinions to Those Who > > Know, like, say, the administration. > > > > Best, > > Joseph > >They have vastly better data than I have, I'm sure. I >doubt that they know too well what they're doing, but >I suspect they know better than their loudest critics. > And similar people did get us to the moon. Whose >opinion would I trust on this (minor) question? You >got me. > >--Bob G. > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:51:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20030327123104.0222f3c8@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii one cannot believe that "data" can be "objective" or that public policy in this country--in any country, I guess--can be "determined" by such "data". what art do you make in a city whose walls are falling down? such necessary art we made together in Union Square and on all the bulletin boards after our buildings fell down. June 1993: President Clinton fires 23 Tomahawk missiles at military targets in Baghdad in retaliation for the supposed plot against Old George--7 missiles land in residential areas--one utterly demolishing the house of Laila Al-Attar, the director of Iraq's national gallery of art; Laila was killed, but also the bulk of her work--she had been preparing for a retrospective of her life work--was incinerated. Art, politics, and history converge into obscenity. The night (Arabic: "Lail") perfumed ("Attar") with fire. Mohammad was approached by cynical crowds saying "prove you are a prophet. 'Isa healed the sick and raised the dead. Musa split the Red Sea and led his people through the corridor of water. What will you do?" Mohammad pointed into the night sky at the full moon, which had split asunder. Who accuses and with what misinformation. Remember the Maine. Alamo. Pearl Harbor. We will never finish until You will not now nor will you ever Now comes the building unflowered Now the night combusts the moon splits itself in half and what will you how when will you now --- Mark Weiss wrote: > They also had vastly better data when "they" invaded > Cuba at the Bay > of Pigs, invaded Vietnam, squashed Mosadegh and > supported the Shah, etc. > The data comes from biased sources--biased because > all along the line, from > informant to handler to receiver at whatever > espionage agency, there's an > impulse to tell the boss what he wants to hear-- and > is then filtered by > folks with axes to grind--they know the results they > want their data to > demonstrate. And they haven't been doing a very good > job of getting it > right. One suspects that they mat not be interested > in getting it right so > much as in furthering short-term goals. > > Which is why it behooves us to do our own research > and our own deciding. > > Mark > > > > > > Surely you're not suggesting we should leave the > > > opinions to Those Who > > > Know, like, say, the administration. > > > > > > Best, > > > Joseph > > > >They have vastly better data than I have, I'm sure. > I > >doubt that they know too well what they're doing, > but > >I suspect they know better than their loudest > critics. > > And similar people did get us to the moon. Whose > >opinion would I trust on this (minor) question? > You > >got me. > > > >--Bob G. > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, > live on your desktop! > >http://platinum.yahoo.com ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:55:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: thug state MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii gmguddi@ILSTU.EDU wrote: > I wear a magnetic 4x6 sticker on my car that says NO IRAQ WAR < Car? Did you say ~car!?~ People are posting messages that the Iraq war is about oil, and meanwhile you're ~driving a CAR!!?~ If it's about oil, man, then we're bombing Baghdad so that YOU (please note: YOU) can drive around Illinois. What, isn't there room enough on your car for a "STOP GLOBAL WARMING" bumper sticker, too? It's real simple, Gabe. It works like this: car = Iraq war STOP DRIVING. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:02:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--dudgeon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Cmp1c3Qgd2FudGVkIHRvIHNheSB0aGF0IGkgQUxXQVlTIGxvb2sgZm9yd2FyZCB0byB0aGVz ZSBXT1JEIEEgREFZIHBvc3RzISAgdGhleSdyZSBHUkVBVCEgIGFuZCBkb24ndCB5b3UgZGFy ZSBsaXN0ZW4gdG8gdGhvc2Ugd2hvIGhhdmUgY29tcGxhaW5lZCBpbiB0aGUgcGFzdCBhYm91 dCB5b3UgcG9zdGluZyB0aGVzZSBlaXRoZXIhICB3aHkgYW55b25lIG91dCB0aGVyZSB3b3Vs ZCBUSElOSyB0aGF0IHBvZXRzIHdvdWxkbid0IGJlIGV4Y2l0ZWQgYWJvdXQgdGhlIGxpZmUg b2Ygd29yZHMgaXMga2luZCBvZiBrb29reS4KCmJ5IHRoZSB3YXkgQ2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgV2Fs a2VyLCB5b3VyIHJlcGx5IHdhcyBpbnRlcmVzdGluZywgZXNwZWNpYWxseSB0aGF0ICJhICdo ZWFyc2UnIHJlcXVpcmVzIHRoZSBjb250ZXh0IG9mIGEgZnVuZXJhbC4iICBvciBhIHRob3Vz YW5kIG90aGVyIHN1Y2ggZXhhbXBsZXMsIGFsdGhvdWdoIGkgdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGF0IHdh cyBvbmx5IGEgcG9ydGlvbiBvZiB5b3VyIGV4YW1wbGUgYW5kIGl0cyB2YXJpb3VzIGRlZ3Jl ZXMgb2YgdW5kZXJzdGFuZGluZyBhbmQgYmVpbmcgdW5kZXJzdG9vZC4gIGhhdmUgeW91IGV2 ZXIgaGFkIHNleCBpbiBhIGhlYXJzZT8gIGkgYWRtaXQsIGdheSBzZXggV09VTEQgc29ydCBv ZiBiZSBhIHdhc3RlIG9mIHNlbWVuICh0byB0aGUgUG9wZSksIGFuZCB0aGVyZWZvcmUgV09V TEQgaW5jbHVkZSBhIGZ1bmVyYWwgaW1hZ2UsIGFsdGhvdWdoIGkgcmVhbGx5IGNhbid0IGlt YWdpbmUgaGF2aW5nIGEgZnVuZXJhbCBFVkVSWSBUSU1FIGkgaGFkIHNleCEgIHRoaXMgaXMg bm90IHRvIGltcGx5IHRoYXQgeW91IHdvdWxkIHN1Z2dlc3Qgb3IgcmVxdWlyZSBtZSB0byBo YXZlIG9uZS4gIHRoYXQgY291bGQgZ2V0IGV4cGVuc2l2ZSEgIG9uZSBkYXkgaSdkIGxpa2Ug dG8gaGF2ZSBhIG5pbmUgY291cnNlIG1lYWwgaW4gYSBoZWFyc2UsIG5vIG1lYXQgb2YgY291 cnNlLCBvciBlbHNlIGl0IFdPVUxEIHJlcXVpcmUgdGhlIGNvbnRleHQgb2YgYSBmdW5lcmFs LCB0aGF0J3MgZm9yIHlvdSBtdXJkZXJpbmcgbWVhdCBlYXRlcnMgb3V0IHRoZXJlLiAgaSBM T1ZFIHRvIGNhbGwgbWVhdCBlYXRlcnMgbXVyZGVyZXJzISAgWU9VIE1VUkRFUkVSUyEgIGl0 J3MgU08gU0FUSVNGWUlORyB0byBjYWxsIHNvbWVvbmUgYSBtdXJkZXJlciEgIGkgY291bGQg anVzdCBydW4gYXJvdW5kIHRvIGV2ZXJ5IE1jRG9uYWxkJ3MgaW4gUGhpbGFkZWxwaGlhIGFs bCBkYXkgbG9uZyB1bnRpbCBpJ20gZXhoYXVzdGVkISAgKGFzIHRob3VnaCB0aGVyZSdzIG5v dCBhIHdhciBnb2luZyBvbiBldmVyeWRheSBpbiBBbWVyaWNhJ3Mgc2xhdWdodGVyaG91c2Vz ISkgIGFuZCBzaW5jZSB0aGVyZSdzIFNPIE1BTlkgT0YgWU9VIGVhdGluZyBtZWF0IGkgY2Fu IGZlZWwgbGlrZSBpJ20gREVFUCBpbnNpZGUgYSBCZXR0ZSBEYXZpcyBmaWxtIGNvbXBsZXRl IHdpdGggRWRpdGggSGVhZCdzIEZJTkVTVCBhc3NvcnRtZW50IG9mIGZha2UgZXllbGFzaGVz ISAgYnV0IGFueXdheSwgZW5vdWdoIG9mIG15IHNtYXJ0LWFzcyBjb21tZW50cywgaXQgcmVh bGx5IElTIGV4Y2l0aW5nIHRvIHJldGhpbmsgYW5kIHJlZXhhbWluZSBBTEwgdGhlIHRoaW5n cyB3ZSBGRUVMIGJlbG9uZyB0byBjZXJ0YWluIGVtb3Rpb25hbCBkZWZpbml0aW9ucyBhbmQg Y2F0ZWdvcmllcy4gIGFuZCB0aGF0J3MgRVhBQ1RMWSB3aGF0IG1ha2VzIHRoaXMgV09SRCBB IERBWSBzbyB3b25kZXJmdWwgYmVjYXVzZSBpdCByZWFsbHkgbWFrZXMgdGhlIHdvcmRzIEJS RUFUSEUhICBkaWQgaSByZWFsbHkganVzdCBzYXkgdGhhdD8gIGkgc3VkZGVubHkgZmVlbCBh bmQgc291bmQgbGlrZSBteSBDUkFaWSBuZXcgYWdlIGFydCB0ZWFjaGVyIGZyb20gaGlnaCBz Y2hvb2wgd2FudGluZyB1cyB0byBGRUVMIFRIRSBDTEFZIEJSRUFUSEUgYXMgd2Uga25lYWRl ZC4gIG9oIHdlbGwsIHNoZSB3YXMgZnVuIGF0IGxlYXN0LgoKZG8gaSByZWFsbHkgaGF2ZSBh IHBvaW50PyAgbm8sIGFuZCBpJ20gbm90IGV2ZW4gZGlzcHV0aW5nIHdoYXQgV2Fsa2VyIHNh aWQsIG9yIGFueXRoaW5nIHJlYWxseS4gIGFsdGhvdWdoIGkgZG8gd2FudCB0byBSRVBFQVQg bXlzZWxmIGluIHNheWluZyB0aGF0IEEgV09SRCBBIERBWSBoYXMgYmVjb21lIGVzc2VudGlh bCBCdWZmYWxvIExpc3Qgc3R1ZmYgZm9yIG1lLgoKdGhhbmtzIGZvciBhbGwgdGhlIHdvcmsg dGhhdCB5b3UgZG8gSy4gQW5nZWxvIEhlaGlyLApDQUNvbnJhZAoKaHR0cDovL3BvZXRzOWZv cjkuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLwpwLnMuIENBQ29ucmFkJ3MgUE9FVFJZIFBBR0UgKHVwZGF0ZWQg MDMvMTcvMDMpIGNsaWNrIGJlbG93OgoKaHR0cDovL2hvbWV0b3duLmFvbC5jb20vY2Fjb25y YWQxMy9teWhvbWVwYWdlL3Byb2ZpbGUuaHRtbAoKIkkgYmVsaWV2ZSBpbiBjb21wdWxzb3J5 IGNhbm5pYmFsaXNtLgpJZiBwZW9wbGUgd2VyZSBmb3JjZWQgdG8gZWF0IHdoYXQgdGhleQpr aWxsZWQgdGhlcmUgd291bGQgYmUgbm8gbW9yZSB3YXIuIgogICAtLUFiYmllIEhvZmZtYW4K CiJUaGlzIGlzIGEgZ29vZCB3b3JsZC4uLgpBbmQgd2FyIHNoYWxsIGZhaWwuIgogICAgIC0t S2VubmV0aCBQYXRjaGVuCg== ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:20:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: Not A War Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Not a War Poem I am feeling calm. It is a sin to be so at this time. They say that at the moment of intense imminent danger, at the edge of death, one feels calm. Perhaps the inevitability of it all raises the soul above and brings it back to nothing-- the world is not here; it hides beyond what we can see. - Jill Chan __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:31:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity In-Reply-To: <20030327205154.73821.qmail@web40804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the topic of media coverage, see the below message from Move-On.org, which has been among the most important organizers of recent protests, for specific action you can take to effect change in the way this war is being reported. Simply put, the media is not doing its job. Used to be there was a notion of a newspaper, radio station, or TV station "serving its community" with equal time for opinions, equal coverage, and most importantly a sense of RESPONSIBILITY for the best interests of the community. Nowadays, we are so used to corporate ownership of these institutions that we don't expect these things. I, for one, can't even watch/listen to/read the bogus non-coverage that is spewing from our nation's various media outlets like so much processed turd. And I really believe that if the tide of public opinion is going to be turned, it has to start with fair and incisive coverage. best, David Hadbawnik Dear MoveOn member, Our country is at war, and many of us continue to feel grief and anger that this terrible conflict is being fought on our behalf. It's a hard time. It's also a critical time for us to stay involved. As we report below, together we've had some amazing successes over the last month, both domestically and in opposition to this war. We need to keep this momentum building. As a next step, please consider joining MoveOn's Media Corps -- a group of committed online activists who will keep the media accountable. Help make sure that our news media report the war the way it happens, not the way the Bush Administration wishes it would happen. You can sign up now at: http://www.moveon.org/mediacorps/ American media outlets have chosen to stifle or simply not show the most terrible and saddening aspects of this war. They are reluctant to air the voices of critics who are raising important questions about its effectiveness and purpose. And they appear to have acceded to the Bush Administration's desire to black out pictures or footage of civilian casualties. Now more than ever, it's important that the media report the full story, unvarnished and unspun. But all we see on TV are retired military officers and Administration officials narrating a clean and precise war that bears little resemblance to the chaos, bloodshed, and tragedy on the ground. We need to demand the full picture. Please consider joining the MoveOn Media Corps right now. The action ideas we send you won't generally take longer than 15 minutes, but to be part of the Corps we ask that you commit to taking up to one action per day. The actions could include calling media outlets when they air especially bad coverage, pushing Clear Channel radio to stop censoring anti-war songs, or writing letters to the editor. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:35:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: thug state MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit you only consume oil if you own a car? is this for real? wow! so, do you ONLY eat vegetables grown in your local region? i mean, even THOSE are driven at some point to your grocer's stand/store/whatever. of course, the more food you eat from FAR OFF locations, the MORE OIL it will take to get the food to you. thus one of the many sections of the pie of macrobiotics (macro=big, biotics=life, and ALL that encompasses bodies/spirits/minds). but all Americans are complicit in the consumption of oil. to think that you ONLY have to own a car to be a consumer of oil is really just a form of NOT thinking. the list is endless, let's NOT just stick with vegetables. there's probably no other country as guilty as we are. and we are, all of us, guilty. even those who STRIVE to make their homes and lives and families as independent as possible from the consumption of such things which require oil. it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to live an oil-free existence in our world as we know it, unless you're living in the woods eating food you find and making clothes from things you find, etc. the fact that you have or borrow a computer to send your posts to this list is enough evidence that you consume oil in one fashion or another. we're all guilty, but we can educate ourselves as best we can to recycle and CUT back on the consumption of oil and the many other things which consume oil for manufacturing and/or import/export. every time we don't recycle a bottle, the oil used in the machinery to make another, and the oil used in shipping it. BUT EVEN IF YOU DO RECYCLE IT, the oil used to gather it in the trucks, and the oil used in the machinery to recycle it's glass! it's just nuts when you start on it! CAConrad In a message dated 3/27/2003 3:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, jeffreyjullich@YAHOO.COM writes: > > > gmguddi@ILSTU.EDU wrote: > > > I wear a magnetic 4x6 sticker on my car that says NO > IRAQ WAR < > > > > Car? Did you say ~car!?~ > > > People are posting messages that the Iraq war is about > oil, and meanwhile you're ~driving a CAR!!?~ > > > If it's about oil, man, then we're bombing Baghdad so > that YOU (please note: YOU) can drive around Illinois. > > > What, isn't there room enough on your car for a "STOP > GLOBAL WARMING" bumper sticker, too? > > > It's real simple, Gabe. It works like this: > > car = Iraq war > > > STOP DRIVING. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on > your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ p.s. CAConrad's POETRY PAGE (updated 03/17/03) click below: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:39:50 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michael helsem Subject: Re: what can we do Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Pam Brown (snip) >Dear Michael Helsem & Masha Zavialova, >What can we do ? - there is not just one thing for everyone (for example, i have almost no available money for charity-type things). but i experience this war in two ways: as a poet, & as a citizen (albeit an unwilling one, at times). as a citizen i can, of course, attempt to vote in 2004 (in a state where my vote will almost certainly be thrown out--); i can join the modest demonstrations in this town (on my days off); perhaps i can write in to the monopoly-conservative newspaper here (which will not even acknowledge it)... as a poet, i can refuse to shut my eyes to what is being done elsewhere (& not only what is being done in my name as a citizen of America, but as a citizen of the world--); possibly something good will be written, possibly not. but on the other hand, it is doing much to avoid getting caught up in groupthink & war hysteria-- & to counsel others to do the same. regardless of our ignorance of history as a populace, this situation is hardly unprecedented. nor is it an occasion to discard civility, simply because our media input out-blares any possible back-talk. i tried to find an essay online "On not being banned by the Nazis" but i couldn't. anyone? m. --------------------------------------------- GREED IS GOOD. GOD IS GREAT. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:45:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: URBAN POETRY/SPOKEN WORD: Wendy Kramer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: URBAN POETRY/SPOKEN WORD: Wendy Kramer URBAN POETRY/SPOKEN WORD Organized and hosted by Catherine Daly, this exploration of new genres brings together a wide range of performance, multi-media experiences, and music. Friday, April 4, 7pm WENDY KRAMER Wendy Kramer's stunning image collages are poems. Visually, they are "songs without words"; each time they are read or performed, they change. Whether the collages are read on page or screen by ordinary readers and audience members, or by the poet herself in this premiere LA multi-media performance, the effect is fresh and new. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Admission to Hammer programs is FREE. No reservations are necessary, and seating is on a first-come, first-served basis. Parking is available under the Museum. UCLA HAMMER MUSEUM 10899 Wilshire Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90024 310.443.7000; TTY: 310.443.7094 www.hammer.ucla.edu _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=13563&s=768E8C9543A882FE&m=144 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:56:29 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Shirley and Jane Wounded by the Serpents MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shirley helped Jane hobble back to the safety of the Holy Valley. As the gates to the valley drew shut, they could hear the rattle of the serpents as the heavens fired upon the evil enemy. Once inside the valley, Jane noticed that Shirley was hemmorhaging divine effluvient from her arm. Jane cut open Shirley's karmic garment arm to reveal a gaping flesh wound on her forearm, on the obverse side, just below the elbow's radian. Shirley sustained neuronal damage, as well as a shattered finger, all from the pointed flight of serpent teeth. Shirley then looked at her friend's tormented foot, concluding that the torment too was more serious than first thought. A piece of Jane's right heel had been excised prematurely through the force of the flying serpent teeth, exposing the tender innards of ligamental networks and pulsing vasculature. Her wound was glistening and unfortunate. The wizard said Jane would not lose her foot to the vagaries of tormented existence, but would require one year of repentance and forgiveness in order to restore its proper use. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:57:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: Not A War Poem In-Reply-To: <20030327212044.44896.qmail@web41111.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The voice of the not seen. Thanks. Hilton At 01:20 PM 3/27/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Not a War Poem > >I am feeling calm. >It is a sin to be so >at this time. > >They say that at the moment >of intense imminent danger, >at the edge of death, >one feels calm. > >Perhaps the inevitability of it all >raises the soul above >and brings it back to nothing-- >the world is not here; it hides >beyond what we can see. > >- Jill Chan > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! >http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:31:37 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: review of Dyer's book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How Dyer sees the war: He wrote his corrective to the hawks' books on Iraq in less than a month The Vancouver Sun Mar. 22, 2003 James Applegate IGNORANT ARMIES: Sliding into War with Iraq By Gwynne Dyer McClelland & Stewart 189 pages ($19.99) Well-known to Canadians as a broadcast journalist and syndicated columnist on international affairs, Gwynne Dyer is a naval veteran who has taught history and war studies at military colleges. His new book, Ignorant Armies, is an ambitious, far-ranging examination of the American-led war on Iraq. Could anything be more timely? He offers predictions for the war's outcome and explains how it developed out of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on the United States. Dyer keeps tightly focused on the political strategies of the key players: the U.S., Iraq, Israel and al-Qaida. He also evaluates whether this war will achieve its intended goals. In the introduction, he reminds readers that he supports some wars. For example, he supported the 1991 Gulf War to get Iraq to leave Kuwait. Later he argues that the 2001 war on Afghanistan effectively dismantled terrorist training camps while benefiting from a high level of international support. But he has serious doubts about the new war on Iraq, and these set him apart from former Central Intelligence Agency analyst Kenneth Pollack and other, more hawkish writers. It was Pollack's book, The Threatening Storm: The Case for Invading Iraq, that convinced many members of the U.S. Congress that war was the only option left for dealing with Baghdad. Dyer gives a range of forecasts for the conflict's outcome. The mildest scenario -- "war will be over in a week" -- is a wild fantasy of civilian hawks like U.S. Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld, he says. In this "war lite" version, there is no street-fighting and the Americans are hailed as liberating heroes. Dyer jokes that Rumsfeld will have enough time left over to pick up his drycleaning and buy a birthday present for Condi Rice. Of course, Rumsfeld could be right, after all. U.S. military technology is now so overwhelmingly superior, it can kill up to 100 Iraqi soldiers for every American lost, numbers which argue in favour of a quick victory. He then describes the many ways this war could go wrong. The disaster scenario includes blown-up oil fields, intense street-fighting, high military and civilian casualties, Iraqi use of chemical or biological weapons, and a U.S. nuclear response. Israel is the most dangerous wild card, either entering the war or taking more aggressive action towards the Palestinians. Whatever happens in Iraq itself, Dyer argues convincingly that the war's worst fallout will be to strengthen Islamist movements in Arab countries with repressive regimes and ties to the U.S. He says states like Jordan, Algeria and Egypt are ripe for an Iranian-style revolution. The same potential exists in Pakistan, a nuclear power. Any of these could become a haven for terrorist groups. While more hawkish analysts, like Pollack, argue that Iraq's weapons programs justify the war, Dyer states that their remnants did not pose a real threat to world security. In his discussion of chemical weapons, he tells a different version of President George W. Bush's story that Saddam "gassed his own people" in 1988. To him, the incident as being more akin to "friendly fire": When Iraqi soldiers fired on Halabja, they believed the city was still occupied by Iranian forces, not the Kurdish townspeople who had just returned. On Iraq's nuclear program, Dyer argues that President Saddam Hussein is not a rotten cartoon villain, like the Joker in Batman, but a real-world political actor. He wanted nuclear weapons to balance Israel's regional monopoly and become a hero in the Arab world. The other American justification for war is Iraq's supposed link with al-Qaida, the terrorist network responsible for Sept. 11. Says Dyer: "There is absolutely no evidence that any of the alleged members of the 'axis of evil' (Iraq, Iran and North Korea) had anything to do with those attacks." A roll call of al-Qaida recruits in the terrorist training camps of Afghanistan reveals that only two per cent were Iraqi -- less than the combined number of British and American citizens. Dyer also says that Osama bin Laden is not a "senseless" terrorist, but rather a strategist who wants to bring Islamist governments to power in the Arab world. A major motive behind Sept. 11 was to provoke the U.S. into lashing back blindly, killing innocent Muslims and thus winning new converts to terrorism. Dyer argues that while the Bush administration largely avoided blundering into this trap in Afghanistan, it has done so now. In his view, it's fair to say that Rumsfeld is "moonlighting as the director of recruitment for al-Qaida." Dyer further argues that Bush talked up the war partly to keep his popularity high after Sept. 11 and to win the November 2002 midterm elections. But as time went on, the war gathered its own momentum. In his final remarks, Dyer admits to having written Ignorant Armies in three-and-a-half weeks, "on the road half the time (and only awake some of the time)." Although his lines of thought do jump around at times, he brings a lifetime of experience to help take the spin out of spin doctors' speeches. To understand what's really happening in Iraq, most of us could switch off the news and read Ignorant Armies instead. James Applegate, formerly the peace issues coordinator for Canadian University Press, is a Vancouver writer with a special interest in international relations. -- Gord ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:25:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: program for Arizona Quarterly Annual Symposium Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Editors of ARIZONA QUARTERLY Present the 15th Annual SYMPOSIUM April 3-5, 2003 Foundation/Alumni Building. Dining Room 1111 North Cherry Avenue Funded by The University of Arizona College of Humanities, Graduate College, And Department of English Very Special Thanks to The University of Arizona Foundation FREE AND OPEN TO THE PUBLIC Thursday, April 3 1:30 PM ERIC HAYOT Author, Object: The Strange Case of Araki Yasusada Assistant Professor of English at The University of Arizona, author of Chinese Dreams: Pound Brecht, Tel quel (2003) and articles for Twentieth-Century Literature, Discourse, and Mediations. 3:30 PM FORREST G. ROBINSON Mark Twain's Autobiographical Writing Professor of American Studies at UC-Santa Cruz, editor of AzQ's prize-winning Special Issue, The New Western History, author of books on Sir Philip Sydney, Wallace Stegner, Henry A. Murray, several on Mark Twain, and Having It Both Ways: Self-Subversion in Western Popular Classics as well as numerous articles on British and American Literature. Friday, April 4 10:00 AM ANNA EVERETT Serious Play: Playing with Race in Computer Games Associate Professor of Film Studies and Director of the Center for Black Studies at UC-Santa Barbara, author of Returning the Gaze, editor of Screening Noir, and other studies of digitalization and culture. 1:30 PM JOHN CARLOS ROWE Our Invisible Man: The Aesthetic Genealogy of U.S. Diversity Professor and Chair of English and Comparative Literature at UC-Irvine, author of many studies of American Literature and Theory including Literary Culture and U.S. Imperialism, the second volume now in progress. 3:30 PM EDGAR A. DRYDEN Death and Literature: Melville and the Epitaph Professor of English at The University of Arizona, editor of Arizona Quarterly, author of a classic study of the novel, numerous books and articles, most recently, Monumental Melville (forthcoming from Stanford). Saturday, April 5: 10:00 am ANGUS FLETCHER American Literature and the Numbers Game Distinguished Professor Emeritus of English and Comparative Literature at the Graduate School of CUNY. The author of books on allegory, prophecy, court masque and the philosophy of literature, he specializes in the theory of literature and the symbolic connections between literature and the other arts. His most recent book, A New Theory of American Poetry, is forthcoming from Harvard. mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:38:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (2.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (2.) A "Doctor of Laws" (Doktor Back into the languishing part Can do it much more Deem it vain to ask Each other?" The response of Factor or a special factor General, whose name was yet Had the form of round I had to fill in Jokingly called Doktor der Linke Killed eight of our party Last meeting, our feelings have Make this unconditional offer: The Naturally, subdivision is here possible Occurs massive and in crystals Pair is altered from the Quite matched by actual political Rated; and when we say Scandalous, malicious, and seditious." In Tea it is an excellent Unsound, could exist until the Values. Lunar caustic is a Was a belief in the "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" Yet I do not deny Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:23:23 -0500 Reply-To: 18073-feedback-31@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Yusef Komunyakaa -- 3 Nights! 2 Bands! Bowery Poetry enters NatPoMo with Ashbery, Hacker, Whitman.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 Dear Friends, As Walt Whitman says, "Poetry belongs to No Nation nor Specific Time" so = it's just gotta be NATIONAL POETRY MONTH!! We begin the celebratations= w/ YUSEF KOMUNYAKAA in concert with two great jazz bands this weekend, i= n memory of dear Zoe Angelsey. Tickets: virtuous.com... get more info on = all shows at bowerypoetry.com... Friday, 3/28 Prof. Taylor Mead, 6:30 ($5) --the Truth as only Taylor = tells it....Communications with a Cockroach brings the world of Don Marq= uis to life($15/10)...at 10 YUSEF KOMUNYAKAA begins his weekend run, toni= ght w/ the Aleta Hayes Band (15$)... and then at midnight The Jolly Ship = the Whizzbang pulls back into port with "Power Boat!" the First Annual Na= utical Rock Puppet Show, Part II featuring Cornmo (one man accordion hill= billy punk band) and (the bands) The Vanity Set and Daddy till the wee ho= urs (8$)... Saturday 3/29 Tiny Ninja's MacBeth, Shakespeare on an ironing board, p= rovides binoculars at 1pm (15$)..........Matvei Yankelevich and Charles B= ernstein are the Reading of the Millennium at 4 for Segue (4$)...Communic= ations with a Cockroach is back at 7:30 ($15/10)...and then at 10 YUSEF K= OMUNYAKAA returns , tonight w/ the Pamela Knowles (15$)... and for your l= atenite delectation, KOKOLO Afrobeat Orchestra (5$).. =C2=A0Sunday 3/30 Tiny Ninja's Romeo & Juliet (15$) will wake you up a= t 1...Communications with a Cockroach returns at 3 (15$/10)...YUSEF KOMUN= YAKAA concludes his run at 7pm with two bands, Aleta Hayes and Pamela Kno= wles ($15)... and at 9pm Westside Rhyme takes stage -- this poetry/musi= c crew always presents an eclectic party... Mon, 3/31 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0A Bomb for A Book: 100 Poets for Peace = the anthology that's been making some noise will bring us Marilyn Hacker.= Edwin Torres, Hal Sirowitz, Jackie Sheeler, Wednesday Kennedy, Daniella = Gioseffi and others at 6 (free)...then it's Bob's Free4All an evening of= poetic mayhem with the World and =C2=A0daBips & Bingo Gazingo & Rick Sha= piro..(free).. Tues 4/1 =C2=A0=C2=A0 CUNY has a reading at 6 -- to find out who you'll n= eed to bowerypoetry.com... then it's Rick "Lenny Bruce of Poetry" Shapiro= 's one man sensation, "Repeat Offender," at 9, and Beau Sia's chill sessi= on, "Whatever" at 10:30 till the poets go home (5$)... Wed 4/2=C2=A0=C2=A0At 7 it's a great night out w/ a Synonymous , the only= po' show in town where the audience gets to crit the work ($8/6)...Amy &= Bridget, who brought us last week's amazing Homeless Dogs Comedy Benefit= , are Back with Naked Comedy! Comics bare all (their souls) 9pm (5$). Thur 4/3' The Tiny Ninja Theater's "Romeo & Juliet" -- watch gumball n= injas do Shakespeare! Dov Weinstein will provide your binoculars. Urbana= kicks spring in tuchus at 7:30 a(5$).... and of our house po-punk band D= addy, featuring bartender poet Laurel Barclay, enters the arena at 10:30= w/ their California colleagues, Combo #3 ($5)....=20 Next week: Chris Berry & Pangea put in their monthly appearance -- amazin= g Mozambique beats & mbira rills, Sat at 10 (tix: virtuous.com )...Frank = Bidart, Honor Moore, Jason Shinder are part of 4Way Books on Sun @2...and= =C2=A0get ready for the peoplespoetrygathering!!! when we'll be open 24 = hours a day, April 11-13 -- get tickets now! PEOPLESPOETRY.ORG Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11...lunch:= homemade soup & salads & sandwiches...bar opens at 5...Poetry Forever!! The Bowery Poetry Club=20 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's=20 F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D18ECD31605375A6D&m=3D31 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:36:09 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAYDREAMS 256 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM P PeacE PeacexecaeP PeacexxxecaeP PeacexxxxxecaeP Peacexxx xxecaeP PeacexxxxxecaeP PeacexxxecaeP PeacexecaeP PeacE P PEACE in smudged lipstick JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:39:08 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 255 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable INSERT DAYDREAM P XOXO P PEACE desiring itself JFK www.poetinresidence.com=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:34:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: The Poetry Project Subject: Poetry Project Announcements Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable TWO ANNOUNCEMENTS Poets for Peace, Poets Against the War and Poetry Is News invite all poets to read poems against the war on the steps (near the lion) of the main branch of The New York Public Library at 42nd St and 5th Ave on Friday Marc= h 28 at 1pm. Rain or shine. Look for the "Poets for Peace" banner. We also invite all poets to an open reading on the steps of St. Mark's Church at 131 E 10th St (on the corner of 2nd Ave) on Wednesday April 2 fro= m noon to 2pm. This is an open call for poets to bring their own and others' anti-war poems. For more info: www.poetsagainstthewar.org *** NEXT WEEK AT THE POETRY PROJECT MONDAY MARCH 31 [8:00pm] ARIELLE GREENBERG AND JOHANNES G=D4RANSSON WEDNESDAY APRIL 2 [8:00pm] ROD SMITH AND SPECIAL GUEST FRIDAY APRIL 4 [10:00pm] FALL WORKSHOP READING http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.html *** MONDAY MARCH 31 [8:00pm] ARIELLE GREENBERG AND JOHANNES G=D4RANSSON Arielle Greenberg's first book, Given, was released in November 2002 from Verse Press. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in journals such as the Denver Quarterly, Web Conjunctions, New American Writing, Crayon, Both, Fence, Crowd, Jubilat and others. She is on the editorial advisory board of How2, and frequently reviews books for Rain Taxi, The Electronic Poetry Review and elsewhere. She recently spoke on her theory of an emerging contemporary feminist/feminine experimental poetry aesthetic, the Gurlesque= , at Small Press Traffic in San Francisco. Laura Mullen notes that "tight phrasings and a gorgeous, wild precision of images make Greenberg's writing= , in her first collection, an ongoing recognition of the mystery of subjectivity as shared disaster and continuous, erratic, communal regeneration. Opening the possibilities for poetry, Given also enriches our sense of the depth of the event and enlarges our idea of community, restoring our sense of wonder." Johannes G=F6ransson was born and grew up in Sweden, but has lived in the United States for the past 16 years. His poems have been published in a wid= e selection of journals, such as Verse, Jubilat and American Letters and Commentary. His translations have been published in Conduit and Skidrow Penthouse. WEDNESDAY APRIL 2 [8:00pm] ROD SMITH AND SPECIAL GUEST Rod Smith is the author of In Memory of My Theories (O Books), The Boy Poem= s (BDB), Protective Immediacy (Roof), New Mannerist Tricycle with Lisa Jarnot and Bill Luoma (Beautiful Swimmer), and Music or Honesty (forthcoming from Roof). The Good House, a long poem, was recently published by Spectacular Books. Poemes de laraignee was just published in France by Bureau sur l'Atlantique. His work has appeared in numerous magazines and anthologies including Anthology of New (American) Poets, The Baffler, The Gertrude Stei= n Awards, Open City, and Shenandoah. He edits Aerial magazine, publishes Edge Books, and manages Bridge Street Books in Washington, DC. Plus special guest to be announced. FRIDAY APRIL 4 [10:00pm] FALL WORKSHOP READING Participants from the four Fall Writing Workshops of Renee Gladman, Janet Hamill, Kristin Prevallet, and Anne Waldman will read from their work. *** Unless otherwise noted, admission to all events is $10, $7 for students and seniors, and $5 for Poetry Project members. Schedule is subject to change. The Poetry Project is located in St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery at 131 E. 10th Street, on the corner of 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. The Poetry Project is wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. Please call (212) 674-0910 for more information, or e-mail us at poproj@poetryproject.com. *** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:02:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: what poets can do Comments: cc: "James W. Pennebaker" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Masha, Chris, and Igor and anyone else following this. I'd be interested in Chekov and Trotsky on this. I know T has a book on this topic bu as I recall it was basically red propaganda he called for even though he may have had an appreciation for poetry? I've just picked up Langer's _Regarding the pain of Others which seems relevant here? byte #1 The book opens with her discussion of V. Wool's _Three Guineas which is an answer to a question from a man, "How in your opinion are _we to prevent war.' This as she poits out is not the same as asking 'What are _your thoughts about preventing war?' These are two fundamentally different questions and it is the _we here that is crucial in understanding VW's writing a reply to an emminent male lawyer of the time. Stay tuned as I am reading this closely tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:48:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Prejsnar Subject: Re: OH ATLANTA In-Reply-To: <20030327031447.63436.qmail@web80410.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i have been left out, but am an apgista going back to the beginning (john, or )ohn, and i started the thing) but the rest of this info is good except for one unfortunate item about two weeks ago our web site crashed badly, and we have not been able to get it functional again as of right now... it is a great site, when it's there ...i will try to make sure to give the List our URL when we have it up again... many of the events mentioned by Rachel were announced on the List, by me,,, and about an hour ago, i sent a back channel as requested to Chris, filling him in on APG stuff stop the war trim the Shrub firght the right, mark prejsnar i On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 10:14 PM, Rachel Daley wrote: > many things atlanta can be found on the APG website i believe (that > is, the atlanta poets group site) featuring um let's see dana lustig, > james sanders, )ohn lowther (that's his gig, that j-thing), someone > named i think j.s. vanbuzzkirk (some of these names i'm getting from a > cd-collection of a rockin readin they did a while back, 60 1-minute > poems...i won't go on - but also bill lavender put together an > anthology on univ. of alabama press (what are those bamers up to?) - > if j.s. van buzz kirk is listening, i'd like to ask how her the > games-event night went at the art spot gallery (?), how does on get > that ole timey feeling? > > RD > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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HJ Resolution 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Friends and Concerned Americans, =A0 =A0Against all odds, there were enough signatures, e-mails telegrams and=20= phone calls within the last 24 hours to Congressman Dennis J.Kucinich =A0of Ohio to persuade him to introduce before the House of=20 Representatives in Washington, D.C. a little known resolution that=20 deprives the =A0President of his authority to wage war. =A0 =A0However, we must now persuade Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert = that=20 there is a growing consensus if not a plurality to mandate the =A0resolution for a House ballot. =A0 =A0Therefore, please take a moment to e-mail Speaker Hastert by simply=20= saying, "I am in favor of introducing HJ Resolution 20 for a vote." =A0 =A0Speaker Hastert's e-mail: =A0Speaker@mail.house.gov =A0 =A0Please do this NOW. =A0And please forward to every other concerned citizen you know. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:08:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: pluspart plupart .mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII pluspart plupart .mov and 1 minute with anja schmidt + foofwa d'imobilite or some would say she is lying down while he practices nearby but miniscule Perhaps she is looking elsewhere and mourning. Perhaps she is carrying the globe on her back. I insist that, as with all globes, this one is invisible. anja raising + backdrop + title /running in place foreground or in bluescreen, no, with exhaustion anja with a globe on her back + the machinery of the foreground runner + these sad discotheques of mythopoesis + anja + chronism + anjachronism + plupart + plus part anja Rilke through Gabriel Marcel: "We drift between Christ, the two Maries and the Saints. We are lost among forms and voices. We are deceived over and over again by this half-familiar element which causes neither surprise nor fear and does not tear us from our everyday outlook. We get accustomed to this, but there can be no getting accustomed to finding God." Foucault on Binswanger: "It is important that the image possesses its own dynamic powers, that there is a different morphology of space when it is free, luminous space and when the space put into play is imprisoning, dark, and stifling. The imaginary world has its own laws, its specific structures, and the image is somewhat more than the immediate fulfillment of meaning. It has its own density, and the laws which govern it are not solely significant propositions, just as the laws of the world are not simply decress of will, even a divine will. Freud caused the world of the imaginary to be inhabited by Desire as classical metaphysics caused the world of physics to be inhabited by Divine Will and Understanding: a theology of meanings, in which the truth anticipates its own formulations and completely constitutes them. The meanings exhaust the reality of the world which displays that reality." === ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 00:14:48 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: what poets can do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chekhov firmly says that "an artist can reveal the human condition , not directly alleviate it." He was appalled personally by inequity, injustice, indentured servitude after the serfs were free, corruption, laziness and decadence of the upper classes, etc. But he never, so far as his biographies reccount, took a "political" stance publically. He certainly must have more than sensed the revolution on its way--he died in 1904 and there was plenty going on in the streets. Something marvelous occurs in his very last writing, "The Betrothed." Check it out. It's proto-feminist. The girl leaves the boy and goes off to, gasp, college. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:26:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: from a retired master sergeant in US special forces Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This via Carrol Cox in hte English Dept here. Strongly suggest reading this >The following column by Stan Goff (a retired Special Forces master >sergeant) offers a view of the war which I think important, though I do >not agree with all the details. > >Carrol > >MILITARY MATTERS > >Hard Rain > >Stan Goff > >I am a veteran of operations gone bad, and right now I am experiencing a >powerful sense of vicarious dj vu. > >Four days ago, I couldnt watch CNN for more than ten minutes at a time >or I was risking my own mental health. Now, I watch it with the >perverse fascination one experiences when seeing an animal die. > >Obviously, the parade of aging white Generals even including my old >commander Dave Grange who simultaneously know that the US will prevail >militarily through sheer force and that this entire operation is going >terribly, terribly wrong, do not understand the wider political >implications of what they are witnessing. > >Still, they seem discomfited. They have been converted into cheap >propagandists, and for me its a lot like seeing a formerly tyrannical >Sergeant Major whos retired and become an oily insurance salesman, >reduced to haunting the barracks, kissing up to his own former troops to >earn his way in the real world by selling them policies. > >How the mighty can fall from great heights! Perhaps thats too >majestic. The Haitians say, the higher the monkey climbs the tree, the >more you see nothing but his ass. > >Many lay people cant differentiate between substance and apologetics now >because the whole society is freshly immersed in its new vocabulary of >war. As we just grasp the meanings of terms like target set and battle >damage assessment, and congratulate ourselves on having discerned their >meanings, our attention becomes fixed on these trees to the exclusion of >a very perilous forest. > >Those of us who have spent time in the cannibal bureaucracy of the >military are well acquainted with this segway from description to >rationalization and blame shifting. It is part of the officer career >survival course, and it even has a name. We called it tap-dancing. > >Watch Wesley Clark, the CNN military star, whose reputation in the Army >was that of an inveterate ass kisser. He harbors presidential >pretensions, and hes smooth as a babys butt. Watch how the worry lines >now come right through the pancake makeup. > >Donald Rumsfeld has become positively humble - a first in his lifetime >- during his Pentagon briefs. > >George W. Bush is nearly absent. No one will risk his extemporaneous >gaffes and he may be medicated. His two-line appearances are hoarse and >fatigued. > >The story-changing started with Operational Security. OPSEC as they >say. Embedded reporters savored these acronyms like children with >chocolates as they left the humdrum of their past assignments to smell >the diesel fumes, hear the roar of turbines, feel the sting of >sandstorms, and touch the tools of war. OPSEC was suddenly dusted off, >and aspects of the operation became clouded to the public. > >That was on Day Two. Military commanders became camera shy, when for >months now theyd been turned into the darlings of the Ken & Barbie >media, attracted to the camera lenses like blowflies to a corpse. > >OPSEC was the first sign that things were going wrong. > >OPSEC is real, but to this point, it had been ditched in an orgy of >shit-talking triumphalism. > >What happened? > >*** > >What happened was, the superpower came face to face with its new >counterpart; an international popular movement, not against just this >war, but against US hegemony. That movement has become a material force >on the battlefield, and has midwifed a deep crisis of legitimacy for the >US military-political junta. > >The whole adventure is rooted in systemic crisis, a reality that even >the movement itself only apprehends on its left wing. For a longer >discussion of that, see Overreach > >http://www.freedomroad.org/milmatters_5_overreach.html. > > >How has the antiwar movement become a material force on the Iraqi >battleground? > >Let's take a snapshot of the tactical situation, as least what we can >glean from different accounts. > >The original battle plan was scrapped. The complexity of planning a >military operation of this scope is simply indescribable, and it takes >months to do it right. But the unexpected loss of ground fronts, in >Turkey in the North and Saudi Arabia in the South, forced a complete >reconstruction of plans in a matter of days. The operation could be put >off no longer. The aggressors back was against the weather wall. The >pre-summer sandstorms had already begun, and by late April the heat >index inside a soldiers chemical protective gear will be 140 degrees >Fahrenheit. > >The international antiwar movement had firmed up political opposition >around the world and forced the delays that culminated in the UN >Security Council becoming a key arena of struggle. For all the >infantile leftists who dismissed the UN on moral and ideological and >therefore idealist grounds, I would say look now at Iraq and see how >politics translates into military reality. > >We stalled where we could stall, and there is an effect. > >The entire 4th Infantry Division is sitting in the barracks now waiting >for their equipment to steam around the Arabian Peninsula because Turkey >denied them their front. Medium and short range tactical aircraft that >could have struck dozens of key targets are sidelined because they are >forbidden to take off from Saudi Arabia to deliver their payloads. > >Inside the Department of Defense there has been a war raging between the >Generals of the Army and the Marine Corps and the clique of doctrinal >revolutionaries pushing Rumsfelds crackpot theory of Network Centric >Warfare (NCW), the methodological offspring of a strategic doctrine >called Full Spectrum Dominance (FSD). The Rumsfeld Doctrine is cyberwar >combined with commandos. Rumsfeld and his mentors have an absolute >faith in the power of technology as the primary determinant of military >outcomes, and a complete ignorance of politics as a force of war. (This >will be the subject of a book due out this December, War Lies.) > >Suffice it to say here, the combination of the failure of this new >doctrine and the aforementioned friction, to use a Clausewitzian term, >is creating a military debacle in Iraq. It is important to note that in >war, which is an extreme form of politics, success is not measured >empirically as it is in a sports competition. It is not measured in >body counts or inventories of destroyed war materiel. In fact, it is >not perfectly measurable at all. But success has to be gauged against >the expectations of the military operation and its final objectives >which are always political. The US inflicted a terrible empirical toll >on Southeast Asia and ultimately lost the Vietnam War. The US never >grasped the political character of that war. > >The loss of Vietnam became the basis of the Powell Doctrine, which >combines avoidance of decisive ground combat (and therefore avoidance of >US casualties) with control over public perceptions of the war through >the press. Rumsfelds NCW attempts to assert that logic onto the >battlefield with extremely complex technology that has displaced >decision-making from human commanders to computerized hardware/software. >I have referred to this in the past as the organic composition of the >military; the relative weight of technological to cognitive process. > >Every strength carries with it a corresponding weakness, and once >military leaders perceive the strengths and weaknesses of their >opposition, they can avoid the strengths and exploit the weaknesses. > >The Iraqis are doing just that. > >Accusations by the United States against the Russians that the latter >are providing material assistance may very well be true. The Russians >have now thrown in their lot with old Europe and China, and they are >aiming to undermine US power at every opportunity. I suspect they have >not only provided equipment and training on that equipment, but advisory >assistance on the reorganization of the Iraqi military. > >Someone has. > >The Iraqi military has apparently abandoned is former Soviet-style >doctrine, predicated on armor, mass, and centralized command. It has >now adopted tactics more suited to Special Operations; agile and >decentralized. This cannot happen without a very intentional and >systematic reorientation from top to bottom. This is an asymmetrical >response to the high-tech doctrine the US developed to overcome the >doctrine of its own predecessor. This Iraqi doctrinal reorientation is >proving stunningly effective. > >Rumsfelds notion that he might decapitate the Iraqi military has led to >an incessant and inane press speculation about whether on not Saddam >Hussein is dead or alive. As the reports rolled of one setback after >another, he was asked by the press whether there was any evidence to >show that Saddam Hussein is dead. His response: The word evidence is a >hard word. > >Less ridiculous and more telling was the statement by a Pentagon >official, now dissing his boss: This is the ground war that was not >going to happen in [Rumsfelds] plan. > >Rumsfelds computers told him that the Iraqis would be shocked and awed >into capitulation within two days. Instead we have the (suppressed in >the US) spectacle of ground troops in disarray as they attempted to >cross their initial lines of departure, columns being stopped by urban >resistance, ambushes of logistics tails, advances halted by blinding >sandstorms, and captive American youngsters on television. > >These American prisoners of war were maintenance people and cooks, kids >who signed up for an enlistment bonus, some college money, and a >saleable skill. Now they stare hauntingly back at us all, with their >fear almost an aura in their photographs. > >The earlier uncomplicated advances, however, were remarkable. In >set-piece war, Rumsfelds impressive display of new battle software >worked perfectly. Tank commanders could stay on line by simply >referring to a digital display, and no one was pulling ahead into an >adjacent units gunsights. Gee whiz. > >The Generals are preoccupied now on retrieving their tactical victory >from the chaos, a retrieval that will cost treasure, lives, and careers. >But they are almost certainly also sharpening their knives and >fantasizing about the spaces between Donald Rumsfelds ribs. > >The first images of the war were to be the liberation of Shia Basra, >where jubilant crowds would welcome the conquering American heroes. >Instead, Basra fought back with a spectacular ferocity. > >Now US ground forces are attempting to bypass every urban center on the >road to Baghdad, but they are in the restricted terrain of the east, >where bypass is not always an option. In Al Nasirya, stale wine turned >to vinegar in their mouths. > >City by city sieges have now become a real possibility, and the longer >this war goes, the sharper will be the reaction throughout the region. > >Aside from stalling, antiwar forces and the naked self-interest of the >US regime have given us another multi-faceted victory. The US, fearing >further erosion of its wounded legitimacy, has set out to genuinely >limit civilian casualties. We have to be honest and clear about this. >It is happening. There are certainly civilian casualties, but not >nearly the mass slaughter we almost all predicted. Two factors at play >here are (1) the need to avoid great damage to the infrastructure of >their new prize and (2) the flames of an erupting international >rebellion that they can afford to fan no more with their impunity. > >We must also be honest that this will cause the costs to American troops >to go up, in lives. Basra can be conquered in a day if there is a >willingness to reduce it to rubble. So the US regime is caught between >the Scylla of international rage, including the ever more explosive rage >of the Arab and Muslim masses in the region, and the concomitant >certainty of further international isolation, and the Charybdis of >Powells nightmare a parade of flag-draped coffins. > >Given this choice, the US will probably be forced to abandon its precise >target discrimination, and the bloodletting that has been thusfar >limited will happen after all. > >Perhaps the most brilliant aspect of the US strategy prior to recent >developments was the embedded journalists program. This is a >masterpiece of Powell Doctrine. Controlling public perceptions. > >The criticism of the military pool system from the first Gulf War was >checkmated. Reporters were put directly on the battlefield, and >integrated into the actual military units. Those reporters are then >dependent on the troops around them for their daily human contact, and >grow quickly to identify directly with the people in those units. > >Overt censorship is no longer needed. > >But as the campaign goes further and further awry, these embedded >journalists will see some of their new friends wounded and killed, and >then the Powell anxiety becomes realized, the war is in our living rooms >again, just like Vietnam. This fear of graphic audio-visual images of >war is why there was such outrage at Al Jazeera showing dead GIs. > >The bet that this would be a quick war with images of triumph is about >to break the bank. > >In the North, far from the most visible action, the Turkish military has >already begun its incursions. The Kurds, in response, are already >signing onto yet another Faustian deal with the Americans, now mostly >Special Operations Rangers to seize airheads and Special Forces to >establish relationships with the Kurdish fighters. Without its Northern >Front, the US is more dependent than ever on using Kurdish combatants to >fight the Iraqis around the rich oilfields near Kirkuk. > >Fragile Turkey is beset by a severe economic crisis. It majority Muslim >population has just elected a moderate Islamic Party, and the popular >opposition to the war is overwhelming. > >The Turkish ruling class cannot afford another insurrection from Kurdish >nationalists, and the Turkish military has no intention of watching a >Kurdish state take form to their South. Turkey, inside its stable >exterior, is becoming a powder keg, and Kurdistan is a furnace. > >The political implications reach Europe, where one year ago the US saw >Turkey as its stalking horse in the EU. Germany has a substantial >population of Turkmen and Kurds, and the German government has a real >and justifiable fear that open warfare for Kurdistan will spill into the >streets of Germany. > >To mollify the Kurds, the US must hold back the Turkish military, and >the Kurds will certainly not drop their demand for an independent >Kurdistan. To appease the Turkish military, the US will have to disarm >the Kurds. And the Kurds, even as they sign the deal with the devil, >know it. The Kurds have no intention of relinquishing their weapons, >their autonomy or their dream of independent Kurdistan. The Turks have >no intention of allowing it. The US cannot have it both ways. > >Stay tuned. > >This diplomatic minefield has been fobbed off on Colin Powell. If he >doesnt hear knives sharpening in his own back room, hed better listen. >Once this is all over, heads will roll, and the visceral enmity between >Powell and Perle is well known. Powell, the Kissinger-style realist and >brilliant bureaucrat, versus Perle, the racist, right-wing visionary. >There are already whispers that Powell will be scapegoated after the >war, and other rumors that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Perle will >be handed walking papers, and Powell will run for VP. > >This fragmentation is another material result of popular resistance >around the world, and for some it was the goal. The political >destruction of the Bush junta. > >That objective is now within sight. What comes after remains to be >seen. > >While we have riveted our attention on the blazing guns, a quieter >weapon of mass destruction has been unleashed against the US working >class a trillion-dollar tax cut for the rich that will torch the >tattered remains of our social infrastructure. The political crisis >that is now almost certain in the wake of the war will settle on the >United States. > >Then there are the soldiers. > >Bear in mind that these are still the most pampered soldiers in the >world. Their morale was already eroded by waiting. They were already >faced with basic erosions of benefits at home. The sense of dislocation >from the doctrinal shift under Rumsfeld (that translates to a lot of >confusion and turbulence in day-to-day operations), increases in >operational tempo, tripling of average time deployed away from home in >the last decade, are taking a toll. Divorces are filed. Homesickness. >Bosses who are assholes are now constant companions. A substantial >number of troops - particularly Black soldiers - who really see this as >a job and not some deep patriotic commitment. > >Now, with the war is going badly, as they say in the Army, shit rolls >downhill, and when things go wrong at the top, there is a lot of >blame-shifting and carrying on that percolates down. > >On a cautionary note, I will mention the incident (about which I dont >know much yet) of the soldier who fragged his officers. Hasan Karim >Akbar, 31, a sergeant in the 101st Airborne Division apparently attacked >his own tactical operations center in Kuwait with hand grenades. Akbar >was Black and a convert to Islam, according to reports. > >What we in the movement dont know could hurt us. > >There are already ultraleft folk who want to turn this into a cause >celebre, saying this is class struggle in the military, etc. It is >class conflict, if it is class anything, not class struggle. There is >no class consciousness, and moreover, there is ZERO sympathy for it in >the armed forces. There are already murmurings across the right-wing >web of purging the armed forces of black muslims. > >This will not be a catalyst for generalized class struggle in the >military. > >The more likely result will be a polarization between Black and white, >given the latent racism in the military that reflects all of American >society. This will emerge over time, and must be navigated very >delicately by the left. Some more-militant-than-thou types want to make >this sergeant a martyr and they don't even have the facts yet. When the >facts are sorted out, we will have to reckon with them. > >Social polarization of all sorts outside the military will emerge in >the coming period. It has already started, with the competing street >mobilizations of anti-war and pro-war forces. And there is polarization >beginning within the anti-war movement as some forces argue for moral >censure and others argue for disruption. This too presents a challenge >for anti-war forces, and for anti-imperialist forces within the anti-war >movement. > >Part of developing a critical stance on these issues, and figuring out >what our role is in the context of this war is understanding the >connections and consequences of what we do here, what others do around >the world, and what the regime continues to do. I, for one, still see >the political destruction of the Bush government as an absolute >strategic priority. > >But we have to ensure that our movement is thinking strategically as >well, that we are evading the strengths of our adversaries and >exploiting their weaknesses. We have to ensure that we can function in >ways that are agile and often decentralized, even as we keep the same >enemy in sight. > >This means that the left pole of the movement, as it moves toward >disruption instead of protest, will have to carefully calculate its own >tactics to ensure that even as we hold the movement accountable and >preserve our own goals and identities we do not split the movement or >detach ourselves from the masses. That means that audacity and patience >must reside in the same space together. Now is a time for discipline. > >One thing is clear. The counter- counter-propaganda war is vital. We >must begin to aim incessant, clear, rigorous, systematic, and >dispassionate logic at the Bush Junta's every thinner rationalizations. > >Leadership is perceived as leader-like only as long as it is respected. >The content of the leadership has something to do with whether it is >accepted, but impressions are also critical. People will be led by >someone who is wrong, but they balk at being led by someone who is >ridiculous. > >We can exploit the absurdities of this administration that are now >reproducing like rats. > >Waving around the Geneva Conventions when our POWs get put on camera, >and we've been putting pix of Iraqi prisoners on for days. Invoking a >UN resolution to violate a UN charter. Rumsfelds comment that, The word >evidence is a hard word. Examples are legion. > >They are down, and we dare not let them back up. > >Im dusting off an old Bob Dylan record. Hard rains a gonna fall. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 07:27:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: Who is the terrorist now? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Opera Sanctity like mortar fire slakes the burning thirsts for asimple Jesus preached without uncomfortable questions. Scarcely understanding we would actually like to push into the hereafter and ask questions of the unfortunate parts of the Gospel. St. Francis with Brother Bernardo told the German armies that they should throw their jewels into the river to see new colors they were stepped on. Reflection began in early spring with a hard Lenten Penance. Pentacostal The Bible that they produce has gold leafed pages, a velvet bookmark and a holster for a side arm. The order between us was handed to work parties for general construction by armies of twelve companions, all lovers, who threw stones and mud at the fortifications. Fighting gives value to fists; crushing the bones of his face like toffee pieces in soft ice cream. Blues at Sunrise Stalingrad is forgotten as I expected; the companions of St Francis were exposed to cold and snow. By September they should elect a great General who knows God personally . The Second Army received six brand-new tanks for pacification. Through early summer personnel in the Word of Truth ask questions that are not answered. Nothing touched upon the lips. The forces of time along with Army Group B's burning guns left you in the heat, sweating. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley D. Edwards" To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 12:54 AM Subject: Re: the birds > Beautiful. > > I do love this. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:58:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: what poets can do and Uruguay and ?paranoia? Comments: cc: Clemente Padin MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT 1) Is the Bush paranoia galloping? 2) Langer on Woolf, byte 2. And, she is saying, we are not monsters, we members of the educated class. Our failure is one of imagination, of empahy, we have failed to hold this reality in mind" Now we have I and we and they all this with CNN via ESPN showing 'as clear a picture as 'we' can bring you on a TV screen with the latest NASDQ, S&P, and Dow climbing up or clambring up or down every second in the lower right hand corner, drfiing beating militant music in background, news crawling beneath, and station logo flashing and ads coming every ten minutes now for 'ephedra-free' diet pills and chances to participate in the latest poll if you purchase a cell phone. Talk about distance with the pull of reality TV. 3) from Uruguay: "Dear Tom: You know... this is a war in order to rob the petroleum from Iraq and secure the future of Israel. It is a war of prey, like the Opium Wars of the Englishmens against the Chinese. It is a murderous war that has made us retreat one century, at least. I know that not all the North Americans are guilty of having a President pirate like Bush but I could not quit thinking in that to all you spout them the blood of the hands (for omission and indifference). You mention Uruguay and are not very far off. Uruguay possesses something that the USAmericans want and need (above all California) and it is "water." The lists is: Iran, Palestina, North Korea, China, Colombia, Brazil (for the Amazonia), etc. The empire is like an elephant in a bazaar. Fraternally, Clemente Padin" tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 01:25:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (3.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (3.) A brief description of type Back to the one who Cannot but judge themselves faulty Defined as either "upward" or Each. The structure of the Factories. Whether it's a neighbor Generally used to regulate menstrual Hair. The center of the I pressed in my own Jogging suit and durable storage Kind of cleavage we are Late king, nor any of Make. A generous supply of Needle enters the bone marrow Of modest means were left Panting. It took both of Quite a fraud, but it Rather than in the mystical School; for example, reading rate Television outlets was occasioned in Until they are invited into Varicose veins. He holds the Was a young lady of "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" You can eat what you Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 02:14:17 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: The Mighty Serpents Begin to Fall from the Sky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Prince Pearl, a chief serpent of the war on Hope Valley, resigned yesterday as chairman of the feared Fang Panel following allegations that he faced a serious conflict of interest. Pearl, nicknamed the Prince of Darkness, has long been one of the leading serpents of the Fang Panel advising the Serpent King to wreak wounds and cause bloodshed in the valley. He has argued that it represented a new place to nest. Pearl has said that any profits he made from his new nest would be given to relatives of serpents slain in the valley. In his resignation, he said that he could no longer fly over the valley. Leading serpents replied by describing Pearl as "a man of integrity, magesty and finely-sharpened tooth". ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:58:59 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Note for Bob Grumman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob, You may feel that you don't have enough information to comment on the situation in Iraq. In the 1960s, many people did feel that way. But when the NY Times published the Pentagon Papers -- and later the Post & others followed with all of the transcripts of the Watergate tapes -- it rapidly became clear that the difference in information between the Oval Office & the corner of Bowery & Houston was not so very great at all. And most of the difference between one and the other was a web of lies emanating from the Oval Office. The sad reality of this whole mess is that Rummy & Cheney & George Dub don't know very much more about this than you or I -- and look how they're behaving. Ron ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:58:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: Ana Doina From: Poetics List Administration Subject: FYI Comments: cc: cafe-blue@wiz.cath.vt.edu, max_solomon@rocketmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >PEOPLE'S POETRY GATHERING >(www.peoplespoetry.org) If anyone is planning to go let me know, I intend to go to a few of the sessions and maybe we could f2f. best, Ana Doina ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 01:15:01 +1100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pam=20Brown?= Subject: charity etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Michael, Point taken - I didn't mean you "personally" - I just used yours & Masha's post to suggest the Oxfam fund as a peaceful & useful facilitator in this crisis.(for anyone who can afford a few dollars) Best wishes, Pam Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:39:50 +0000 From: michael helsem Subject: Re: what can we do >From: Pam Brown (snip) >Dear Michael Helsem & Masha Zavialova, >What can we do ? - there is not just one thing for everyone (for example, i have almost no available money for charity-type things). but i experience this war in two ways: as a poet, & as a citizen (albeit an unwilling one, at times). as a citizen i can, of course, attempt to vote in 2004 (in a state where my vote will almost certainly be thrown out--); i can join the modest demonstrations in this town (on my days off); perhaps i can write in to the monopoly-conservative newspaper here (which will not even acknowledge it)... as a poet, i can refuse to shut my eyes to what is being done elsewhere (& not only what is being done in my name as a citizen of America, but as a citizen of the world--); possibly something good will be written, possibly not. but on the other hand, it is doing much to avoid getting caught up in groupthink & war hysteria-- & to counsel others to do the same. regardless of our ignorance of history as a populace, this situation is hardly unprecedented. nor is it an occasion to discard civility, simply because our media input out-blares any possible back-talk. ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Latest book - "Text thing" available from Little Esther Books - eafbooks@eaf.asn.au http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:25:38 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AdeenaKarasick@CS.COM Subject: Adeena Reading @ Soft Skull MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, all -- am reading Thursday night with Toronto poet Jill Battson Come hang out with us Thursday, April 3, 7:00 pm=20 Soft Skull Shortwave Bookstore 71 Bond Street, at State=20 Brooklyn NY 11217 718-643-1599 | softskull.com * Adeena Karasick (www.adeenakarasick.com) is a poet / cultural theorist, vide= o=20 and performance artist; as well as the award-winning author of five books of= =20 poetry and poetic theory, The Arugula Fugues (Zasterle Press, 2001), Dyssemi= a=20 Sleaze (Talonbooks, 2000), Genrecide (Talonbooks, 1996), M=EAmewars=20 (Talonbooks, 1994), and The Empress Has No Closure (Talonbooks, 1992).=20 Dedicated to the interplay of conflictual dialects, aesthetics, textures tha= t=20 impact on the construction of feminist and cultural identity, her articles,=20 reviews and dialogues on contemporary poetry, poetics and cultural/semiotic=20 theory are studied worldwide. Her groundbreaking poetry videos are regularly= =20 screened at film festivals across North America and Europe and have played a= =20 crucial role in the development of the genre. She is Professor of Poetry at=20 Critical Thinking at St. John's University in New York. Jill Battson is an internationally published poet, playwrite and poetry=20 activist. She is the author of Hard Candy (Insomniac 1999) and Ashes are Bon= e=20 and Dust (Insomniac 2001) and was responsible for creating and running the=20 successful poetry reading series 'The Poets' Refuge' and has initiated and=20 produced many poetry events including 'The Poetry Express' - a BYOV at=20 Toronto's Fringe Festival; 'Liminal Sisters' - a language poetry event; 'The= =20 Festival of the Spoken Word' - a five day spoken word festival; Fightin'=20 Words - poets in a boxing ring; 'The Poetburo Slams' and the very successful= =20 'Word Up' - a series of interstitial poetry spots airing on MuchMusic and=20 Bravo! which spawned a CD with Virgin Records and an anthology with Key=20 Porter. She was the poetry editor for Insomniac Press from 1999 to 2001.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:54:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Susan Bee @ A.I.R. Gallery Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Susan Bee Miss Dynamite: New Paintings April 1 - 26, 2003 Opening reception: Thursday, April 3, 6 - 8 pm A.I.R. Gallery 511 West 25th Street New York, NY 10001 (between 10th and 11th Ave., 3rd floor) Gallery hours: Tuesday to Saturday, 11 am - 6 pm Miss Dynamite: New Painting, Susan Bee's third solo show at A.I.R. Gallery, opens April 1st and runs until April 26th. This show includes Arabesque, a painting done in response to September 11th; Sign Under Test, which includes poems by Charles Bernstein; and Weird Tales, which features scenes from vintage science fiction, as well as other paintings. "Susan Bee plucks the ordinary and aberrant from pulp fiction, film noir and other genres, linking them together through the use of bold, dominant hues, Mondrian-like structure, and highly stylized biological forms," according to Dan Younger, curator of the Olin Art Gallery, Kenyon College. "Bee's disrupted, profane, and dysfunctional elements appear in her orbit-like compositions like riddled, zodiacal maps that can be read as well as seen." Her work is a "triumph of contradiction," as Thomas McEvilley noted in Art in America. Susan Bee's homepage is at http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bee/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:51:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Talan Memmott / New Poetics Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed New Poetics: New Genres / New Media Reading, Performance, Lecture, and Discussion Series Talan Memmott Hypermedia Authorship: Subjects, Perspectives, Practice New Media Presentation and Discussion Tuesday, April 1, 3 PM Conference Room, 3234 51 W. Warren Ave., Detroit TALAN MEMMOTT is an award-winning new media artist and editor of the online journal Beehive, formerly based in San Francisco. He is currently at Brown University as their first electronic writing graduate fellow. In 2001 he was awarded the trAce/Alt-X New Media Writing Award for his work Lexia to Perplexia, which also received honorable mention for the Electronic Literature Organization's award in fiction. He is a tutor for the trAce Online Writing School, and has been a speaker, panelist, reader and performer at various conferences and universities. Lexia to Perplexia has been discussed in essays by Katherine Hayles, Barrett Watten, Brian Reed, and others; Shirley Jackson (author of Patchwork Girl) has commented: The wide black screen of Talan Memmott's stunning, difficult Lexia to Perplexia is a kind of theater in which luminous symbols and sentences (which look more like formulae) come and go. At times the lucid graphic icons are more readable than the layered scrims of text. Is this still writing? Certainly, the reader's first pleasure will probably be a visual one. This is a gorgeous piece. But the visuals though beautiful are not only decorative but syntactical. Some of Memmott's most elegant arguments are made visually, through the logic of layout and the grammar of the link. While in much new media writing it is possible to consider the design and the "content" separately (sadly, it is usually the content that comes up short), this piece calls such distinctions into question. It is impossible to decide where design ends and the text proper begins. This improper text is as much made up of buried coding and spatial logic as it is of ordinary English words. In fact such words as it contains are neither ordinary nor exactly English anymore. A new media writer has to be good at writing code as well as sentences. Reflecting on this, Memmott borrows as much from the conventions of html code as from the not much less difficult codes of Deleuzian theory, metamorphosing them into a jammed, fractured diction full of slashes, dots and brackets. There is a purpose to this besides play, since the piece is about the code-mediated relationship between the reader, the (electronic) text, and the author. This sounds like postmodern critical theory, and it is, but one could also call it fiction, because it not only analyzes but dramatizes a relationship. However, since it involves the reader in creating that very relationship, it is maybe not so much a fiction as a fact: a performance or even a happening, in the theatrical sense. What you-the-reader do IS the text. Home page: http://www.memmott.org/talan Lexia to Perplexia: http://www.uiowa.edu/~iareview/tirweb/hypermedia/talan_memmott/index.html The Berth of V-Ness: http://www.uiowa.edu/~iwp/newmedia/berth_o_vness/index.html Skyscratchez (collaboration with Mez): http://beehive.temporalimage.com/archive/25arc.html Beehive: http://beehive.temporalimage.com *** The final event of a series of readings, performances, lectures, and discussions in 2002-3 that brought several of the outstanding younger writers in new poetic genres and new media to present and discuss their work with Wayne State students and Detroit literary audiences. Link: http://www.english.wayne.edu/~watten/newpoetics.html Curated by Carla Harryman and Barrett Watten Department of English, Wayne State University Sponsored by The Humanities Center, Wayne State University The Department of English The Working Group in Digital Culture ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:32:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: Turbulence Artists’ Studio: Lewis LaCook Comments: To: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Nettime List , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii turbulence.org@verizon.net wrote: To: llacook@yahoo.com From: turbulence.org@verizon.net Subject: Turbulence Artists’ Studio: Lewis LaCook Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:13:00 GMT For Immediate Release March 28, 2003 Turbulence Artists’ Studio: Lewis LaCook http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html Two ideas fascinate LaCook: chance operations and active user collaboration. The “stable” artwork , he says, can just as easily appear in another format, such as a book, a gallery space, or on a cinema screen. The computer works via variables and loops and, well, VARIES. LaCook uses the machine's native ability to generate pseudo-random numbers, and to make decisions based on those numbers. In his work, either the text, music or graphic elements are generated this way. While some elements in his works do remain stable, others always vary. A user's collaboration may take the form of simply opening the piece (whereby some of the afore-mentioned aleatoric processes may become a factor), or by having a direct hand in the work's manifestation. BIOGRAPHY Lewis LaCook is a poet who wandered one day into a “gorgeously chaotic, polylogical room. He's been there ever since.” Born in Lorain, Ohio on November 5, 1970, he began writing poetry in his early teens, shortly after the death of his father. At sixteen, Black River Review first published his work; subsequently, small press journals like Whiskey Island, the Coventry Reader, and Lost and Found Times published his poetry. Anabasis press published his long poem “Cling” as a chapbook in 2000. In the mid-to-late nineties, while attending Kent State University LaCook developed a passion for music, and played in several bands. In the late nineties he discovered the Internet, and was immediately struck by how easily he might combine his passions for music and poetry. As LaCook's use of the Internet increased, his focus began to shift from using the medium as a multimedia and distributive tool to exploring it for its own sake. His early works in this genre met with some success; Rhizome.org began accepting his works into their artBase in 2002, and online venues like CTheory Multimedia, Cauldron and Net, Artifacts at Web Del Sol, 3rd Bed and Slope presented his works on their web sites. For more information about Turbulence Artists’ Studios, please visit http://turbulence.org/studios/guidelines.html --- For removal from the http://www.turbulence.org mail list, click here: http://www.greenspun.com/spam/remove-2.tcl?domain=Turbulence&email=llacook%40yahoo%2ecom --- http://www.lewislacook.com/ NEW! Light Has No Tongue: http://www.lewislacook.com/lightHasNoTongue ARCADIA: long poem serialized in the muse apprentice guild: http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/ http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:48:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: document from US Institute of Peace Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This document, entitled "WOULD AN INVASION OF IRAQ BE A 'JUST WAR,'" was found at the US Institute of Peace website. USIP is a Washington-based think tank devoted to peace studies. This report was compiled from a symposium held 17 December 2002. Its main points clearly bulleted at front of report. The symposium speakers are all "experts" of classic christian just war theory, as outlined mainly by Ambrose, Augustine,and later Aquinas. Freaky read. http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr98.html One participant: "Augustine and Aquinas were wrong in positing that war brings about peace; only peace brings about peace." --Susan Brooks Thistlethwaite _____________________________________________________ "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 07:44:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Iraq War Will Divide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Karen Backman=20 To: Dharmadog2000 ; gobbism ; marsden.joseph ; mzemek ; skydoc21 ; = weishaus=20 Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:26 AM Subject: Iraq War Will Divide=20 The World for the Better Which side are you on? Which side are you on? -- Old union song. Togetherness is oversold. Especially by politicians and statesmen, who = sometimes hide their courage under the teacup of compromise and = multilateralism. But there are times when all of us have to decide which = side we are going to be on, not for an evening's argument but for the = long haul. The Iraq war is one of those moments. By the time this war ends, it will have divided national leaders, = divided the world's voters and yes, divided the world's press. That is = to say, the institutions that set the world on its course. We will know = pretty soon where that world is headed, and who will be its pilots. There is a tradition in the U.S. that once the President puts troops = into action we "unite" to support our men and women, as Democrats such = as John Kerry and John Edwards have now done. But that's easy. A larger = choice is being asked of everyone by this war waged against the regime = of Saddam Hussein. Here a few days ago, Spain's Foreign Minister Ana Palacio aligned = herself with "the values and objectives we share with the United States" = and in support quoted Miguel Cervantes on liberty. Liberty, Cervantes = said, is "one of the most precious gifts heaven has bestowed upon Man. = No treasures the earth contains or the sea conceals can be compared to = it. For liberty one can rightfully risk one's life." We are finding out = right now who agrees with that. Yesterday Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak decided against: "Egypt won't = offer any assistance of any kind against any Arab country." So too = Russia's Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, who says the war "is not about = the democratization of Iraq. It's about the total destruction of the = country." Last Sunday, former Canadian prime minister Brian Mulroney made his = decision: "For 135 years, Canada has made common cause with Australia, = the United Kingdom and the United States in the defense of liberty and = freedom around the world. Now we have repudiated at a crucial moment in = our history...." Even in France you can find an inkling that not all its citizens stand = with Messrs. Chirac and De Villepin. In the final sentence of an obscure = New York Times report on Bordeaux, one finds this from Corinne = Mentzelopoulos, the owner of Chateau Margaux: "America saved us in two = world wars and from communism," she said. "I haven't forgotten that." I = think Ms. Mentzelopoulos understands, in a way now lost to the Chiracs, = de Villepins and perhaps never known to the Putins and Mubaraks, what = Cervantes was saying about why liberty is the dearest of political = values. A similar understanding has already been discovered in the = nations east of Germany. On MSNBC Keith Olbermann asked the parents of James Kiehl, a captured GI = in Iraq, if they felt "victimized." His stepmother replied, "No, James = was there to fight terror and to protect his family." Mrs. Kiehl has = also made a decision, different than that of the people who laid down on = Fifth Avenue in New York yesterday in what they called a "die-in for = peace." But they aren't close to dying. I see no reason why Army = Specialist Kiehl's parents in Comfort, Texas, should sit down with the = protesters in New York or San Francisco to find common ground. There is = none. The divisions in the media are not so clear cut. Some of their = colleagues are criticizing the work of the embedded reporters in Iraq. = They say the embeds can't provide "perspective" or the "larger picture." = For some years now, the standard model of journalism has been that = reporters don't just offer facts but must include their analysis of the = facts. The assumption here is that mere facts lack sufficiency and that = an explained or analyzed fact moves us closer to reality or truth. When this began, some stories were labeled "Analysis," and it was a = useful tool for adding context if needed. But now no one bothers because = it's almost all analysis. This model is so internalized that I believe = some of the critics are coming very close to suggesting that what the = embeds with U.S. troops on the Iraqi front are reporting does not = constitute reality. Reality in journalism cannot exist until it is = processed through a reporter's filter of analysis. This may be a difficult model to sustain now, at least on television. = The TV people stateside are clearly quite proud of what their reporters = are doing. The frontline reporters who survive this war will occupy a = unique status inside their organizations. Some media executives may = decide that this straight reporting is where their strength lies. It = looks like there's an audience for it. It is one thing for reporters to say they don't take sides, even in war, = or especially in war. But sometimes they seem to suggest that no one = should ever be able to decide whose side they're on. This war is a = killer of equivocation. A few nights ago, during that high sandstorm, an embedded TV reporter = stood over a soldier who was lying on his stomach, exposed to the wind = and grit, holding his rifle and staring through goggles into nothing. = The reporter said, "What do you think of being here in conditions like = this." The soldier said: "I love it, sir. I truly do. I wouldn't want to = be anywhere else right now." Which side are you on? Some surely will recoil at the suggestion that we = should so simply reduce the politics of this war. But the war against = Saddam Hussein is a rare, defining event, as Vietnam was. It is going to = establish divisions for a generation -- in relations among nations, in = voting patterns. Long-term claims to moral standing are at stake. Among = families and friends, these matters in time will never come up again, = but like villagers in occupied France, no one's ever going to forget = either. These are not the destructive divisions so often worried over by = instinctive moderates and multilateralists. These are constructive = divisions, which are driving the world's people toward making a decision = about what they believe in, why they believe it and what kind of world = they want to live in. Updated March 28, 2003 12:42 a.m. Karen Backman madmaker@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:11:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: The Mighty Serpents Begin to Fall from the Sky Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Don't forget: he may no longer be chairman of the Fang Panel, but his cohorts kindly allowed the Prince of Darkness to remain on the Panel. It is a cosmetic move only. Hilton Obenzinger At 02:14 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Patrick Herron wrote: >Prince Pearl, a chief serpent of the war on Hope Valley, resigned yesterday >as chairman of the feared Fang Panel following allegations that he faced a >serious conflict of interest. > >Pearl, nicknamed the Prince of Darkness, has long been one of the leading >serpents of the Fang Panel advising the Serpent King to wreak wounds and >cause bloodshed in the valley. He has argued that it represented a new place >to nest. > >Pearl has said that any profits he made from his new nest would be given to >relatives of serpents slain in the valley. In his resignation, he said that >he could no longer fly over the valley. Leading serpents replied by >describing Pearl as "a man of integrity, magesty and finely-sharpened >tooth". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:15:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Nikolayev Subject: need a John Cage quote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am looking for a John Cage quote, which I believe I saw in a book by = Marjorie Perloff a long time ago. I think it's the book where Perloff = discusses Cage's mesostic verse and his piece for James Joyce (with with = pulled out of Finnegans Wake). And I think it mentions that when John = Cage read at Harvard, the audience was perplexed by his work and someone = asked him why he wrote the way he did, and Cage replied "Out of a strong = compulsion to make it so"--or some such thing, though I may have = confused a few of the details. I no longer have access to the book. = Perhaps someone could please help find the exact quote (both the = question and the answer)? I'd be hugely grateful! Philip Nikolayev ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:31:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Subscriber Web Interface MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear list, Please note that you may change any of your subscription options via the link on the right side of the screen at: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html. Best, Lori Emerson poetics list administrator ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 11:36:44 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Re: The Mighty Serpents Begin to Fall from the Sky Comments: To: Hilton Obenzinger In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030328081013.01c28ce8@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, indeed, Sir Hilton, brave defender of the valley. Pearl will now be allowed to sink his teeth into his interest, conflict-free, and sink into the darkness. Unless the serpents are taunted by him as a reminder of their guilty states of mind, that is. If that becomes the situation, his fellow serpents will have to take away his eggs. It is good he has moved away form the light, for in nestling his coil into a corner of the darkness, he remains far away from the valley. Three jeers for the Prince! Ooogra! Ooogra! Ooogra! Three cheers for the valley! Hoorah! Hoorah! Hoorah! St. Patrick of the Din (Did I spell majesty with a g? Ugh. The burning crane is not exactly a spelling bee champion.) -----Original Message----- From: Hilton Obenzinger [mailto:hobnzngr@stanford.edu] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:12 AM To: patrick@proximate.org; POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: The Mighty Serpents Begin to Fall from the Sky Don't forget: he may no longer be chairman of the Fang Panel, but his cohorts kindly allowed the Prince of Darkness to remain on the Panel. It is a cosmetic move only. Hilton Obenzinger At 02:14 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, Patrick Herron wrote: >Prince Pearl, a chief serpent of the war on Hope Valley, resigned yesterday >as chairman of the feared Fang Panel following allegations that he faced a >serious conflict of interest. > >Pearl, nicknamed the Prince of Darkness, has long been one of the leading >serpents of the Fang Panel advising the Serpent King to wreak wounds and >cause bloodshed in the valley. He has argued that it represented a new place >to nest. > >Pearl has said that any profits he made from his new nest would be given to >relatives of serpents slain in the valley. In his resignation, he said that >he could no longer fly over the valley. Leading serpents replied by >describing Pearl as "a man of integrity, magesty and finely-sharpened >tooth". ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. 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I can't find any record of where he read, which specific poems he performed, the style in which he 'sang,' or the nature of the five piece band (jazz combo?). I was wondering if anyone happens to have ancedotal or archival information on this reading. Please respond off-list. Thanks, Joseph ------------------------------------------------------------ Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:48:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Iraq War Will Divide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a hard time believing that Americans are criticizing the "fact-based" war reporting because we're so used to analysis on the news. This is laughable. What is being called analysis in the mainstream media is simply filler for 24-hour news stations, pundit-go-rounds during the Target Iraq, Countdown for Saddam or Countdown to Freedom segments of the Cable News show. Before the war, the "analysis" was curiously devoid of critical questions like: Wasn't 9-11 a result of aiding "freedom fighters", then cutting & running (by the present cast of characters)? If the USA isn't going to cut & run this time, how long will the Occupation stay & pay? What should the Arab world's response to a US invasion, given this administration's refusal to honestly engage in the region's most glaring regional conflict(Israel/Palestine)? With the American Mideast track record, why should Arabs (Iraqi or otherwise)trust the USA? What are the long-term effects of taking on the world alone? How does occupation effect the War on Terror? Who will the USA support to rule the new Iraq? (They're not sure, or they won't tell.) How does this reflect on the American promise of regional democracy? What are the possibilities of an ongoing civil war in Iraq without an American iron fist? What will that iron fist cost in dollars & civil liberties? Analysis? 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:07:16 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alicia Askenase Subject: Whitman Dickinson reminder, Ashbery Comments: To: whpoets@english.upenn.edu, askliterary@waltwhitmancenter.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Walt Whitman Arts Center presents Poets of Compassion:=20 Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, and War There is nothing heavier than compassion. Not even one's own pain weighs so=20 heavy as the pain one feels with someone, for someone, a pain intensified by= =20 the imagination and prolonged by a hundred echoes. Milan Kundera Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Poetry Reading, featuring Robert Creeley, Susan Howe and Joan Retallack who will read from their own work. Booksigning and reception to follow reading. Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 12 noon Panel Discussion=20 featuring Robert Creeley, Ed Folsom, Tyler Hoffman, Susan Howe, and Joan Retallack Booksigning and brunch to follow panel. =20 A propitious event in light of the White House cancellation-- all voices, responses, questions and opinions WELCOME. Check our website, www.waltwhitmancenter.org for a photo of the Center's "little White House", and more details. ****see Creeley's "war rap" poem at the end of this message!! ___________________________________________________________ Admission: $10 for both events, $8 seniors and students/free to members Per event: $6/$4 for students and seniors /free to members ___________________________________________________________ WEDNESDAY, APRIL 2, 7:30 PM JOHN ASHBERY Booksigning and reception to follow reading. $6/ $4 students and seniors/ Free to members. John Ashbery was born in Rochester, New York in 1927. Best known as a poet,= =20 he has published more than 20 collections beginning in 1953 with Turadot and= =20 Other Poems. In 1975 his Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror was awarded the=20 Pulitzer Prize, National Book Award and the National Book Critics Award. Hi= s=20 most recent volumes (1998-2002) are Wakefulness, Girls on the Run, Your Name= =20 Here, As Umbrellas Follow Rain, and Chinese Whispers. He is also well known for his writings on art, which began in 1957. He=20 served as executive editor of Art News, and was art critic for New York=20 Magazine and Newsweek. A selection of his art writings, Reported Sightings:= =20 Art Chronicles 1957-1987, was published in 1989. His further forays in=20 literary genres include the novel A Nest of Ninnies with James Schulyer, as=20 well as his collection, Three Plays. A noted translator, Ashbery has=20 published numerous translations from the French including work by Artaud,=20 Raymond Roussel, Max Jacob and Peter Martory. A selection of his prose=20 pieces is forthcoming from the University of Michigan Press. His own work=20 has been translated into more than twenty languages. Ashbery has held many prestigious academic positions including Distinguished= =20 Professor at Brooklyn College 1980-90. He delivered the Charles Eliot Norto= n=20 Lectures at Harvard in 1989-90, and since 1990 has been the Charles P.=20 Stevenson, Jr. Professor of Languages and Literature at Bard College in=20 Annandale-on-Hudson, New York. His list of awards, grants and memberships in academic academies are so=20 numerous it has been said that he is a poet for whom new awards must be=20 created. A few of the innumerable prizes and honors awarded to him over the= =20 years include the Wallace Stevens Award, the Signet Society Medal for=20 Achievement in the Arts, the Robert Frost Medal, and the Grand Prix de=20 Biennales Internationales de Poesie. He served as a Chancellor of the=20 Academy of American Poets from 1988-99, and was a MacArthur "Genius" Fellow=20 from 1985-90. ____________________________________________________________ from Robert Creeley: =20 Help!=20 =20 Help=E2=80=99s easy enough=20 If it comes in time.=20 Nothing=E2=80=99s that hard=20 If you want to rhyme.=20 =20 It=E2=80=99s when they shoot you=20 It can hurt,=20 When the bombs blast off=20 And you=E2=80=99re gone with a squirt.=20 =20 Sitting in a bunker,=20 Feeling blue?=20 Don=E2=80=99t be a loser,=20 It wasn=E2=80=99t you =E2=80=93=20 =20 Wasn=E2=80=99t you wanted=20 To go kill people,=20 Wasn=E2=80=99t you caused=20 All this trouble.=20 =20 I can=E2=80=99t say, Run!=20 And I can=E2=80=99t say, Hide!=20 But I still feel=20 What I feel inside.=20 =20 It=E2=80=99s wrong to kill people=20 Just to make them pay.=20 Wrong to blast cities=20 To make them go away.=20 =20 You can=E2=80=99t take everything=20 Away from fathers,=20 Mothers, babies,=20 Sisters and brothers.=20 =20 You live in a house?=20 Wipe your feet!=20 Take a look around =E2=80=93=20 Ain=E2=80=99t it neat=20 =20 To come home at night=20 And have a home,=20 Be able to sit down=20 Even all alone?=20 =20 You think that anyone=20 Ought to get pushed,=20 Shoved around=20 for some old Bush?=20 =20 Use your head,=20 Don=E2=80=99t get scared,=20 Stand up straight,=20 Show what you=E2=80=99re made of.=20 =20 America=E2=80=99s heaven,=20 Let=E2=80=99s keep it that way=20 Which means not killing,=20 Not running scared,=20 =20 Not being a creep,=20 Not wanting to get "them."=20 Take a chance=20 And see what they want then.=20 =20 Maybe just to be safe,=20 Maybe just to go home,=20 Maybe just to live=20 Not scared to the bone,=20 =20 Not dumped on by world=20 They won=E2=80=99t let you into,=20 Not forgotten by all=20 The ones who did it to you.=20 =20 Sing together!=20 Make sure it=E2=80=99s loud!=20 One=E2=80=99s always one,=20 But the world=E2=80=99s a crowd=20 =20 Of people, people,=20 All familiar.=20 Take a look!=20 At least it won=E2=80=99t kill you.=20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:13:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Joseph T. Thomas, Jr." Subject: Re: query re: NY Roethke Reading In-Reply-To: <1048872321.3e84858143f32@webmail2.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to Richard Flynn for the info I needed. Best, Joseph Quoting "Joseph T. Thomas, Jr." : > In a 1953 letter to J.F. Powers, Roethke mentions a New York reading he > performed "with a five piece band behind me in which, so help me, I 'sang' > several songs,--settings of 'children's' poems." > > I can't find any record of where he read, which specific poems he performed, > the style in which he 'sang,' or the nature of the five piece band (jazz > combo?). I was wondering if anyone happens to have ancedotal or archival > information on this reading. > > Please respond off-list. > > Thanks, > Joseph > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu > ------------------------------------------------------------ Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 10:24:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Preemption - Manifest Destiny - a little history Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The more Secretary of War, Donald Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfilitz develop th= e language and strategies around their poetry of "preemptive attacks", like most of us, I assume, I both resist and shutter at the implications of the word and concept of "preemption." The word, as used by Rumsfeld & Co. seems to painfully resonate with an old phrase for a deeply familiar strategy of conquest, land seizure, exploitation of "native" owned resources and/or genocide.=20 Well, sure enough, in a little bit of recent research on European mid-nineteenth century settlers in the Mattole River and Lost Coast region of Northern California (frequently and legitimately described as a "paradise" by nineteenth century visitors), I discovered what was called th= e "Preemption Act" which was a statute passed (1841) by the U.S. Congress in response to the demands of the Western states that squatters be allowed to preempt lands. Pioneers often settled on public lands before they could be surveyed and auctioned by the U.S. government. At first the squatter claims were not recognized, but in 1830 the first of a series of temporary preemption laws was passed by Congress... After the passage (1862) of the Homestead Act, the value of preemption for bona fide settlers declined, and the practice more and more became a tool for speculators. Congress repealed the Preemption Act in 1891. (The Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition Copyright =A91994, 1995 Columbia University Press.) The Mattole tribe of about 2000 was 95% destroyed by 1865 - the first white settlers arrived in 1852. "Premption" proved a mix of squatting on tribal land which starved the Indians which initiated hostilities, murders and war= . The familiar western story. "Preemption" as initiated with "Preemptive Attacks" - whether they be on Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc - remains clearly alive as an "activist" phrase and "tool for speculators" - aka reconstruction contracts, oil redistribution, etc., etc. Western "Manifest Destiny" now redefined as "Global" -=20 Iraq etc. - gives those of us who are the descendants - or most of us who are at least beneficiaries - of the conquest of those original Euro-American settlers - the "strategic opportunity" again to revisit and "target" and "re-shape" the logics of conquest, such as this current one. Does anyone else sense the magnitude and power - if not tyranny - of the current Bush & Co. leadership is sewing the seeds of a fresh civil war? Current radar suggests the possibility - but now the players and terrain ar= e international. Instead of an exclusively national one, we appear to be looking at a global civil war with political agendas of multiple players (from theocratic to what have "we"). The freedom of "Emancipation" of who and what - and with who's leadership - certainly opens a pod for fresh definitions - presuming "cooler heads prevail" and the globe is not dusted with nuclear stuff!! Nationally, One disturbing view of the current quagmire in Iraq is that the Bush folks will purposely sustain the conflict into the next election on th= e supposition that the Public will not throw them out in the middle of a war. If Iraq is "out of the picture", one assumes they will make another aggressive geo-move, etc. Against the Grim, Stephen V =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 13:28:38 -0500 Reply-To: list@centomag.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cento Magazine Subject: Iraq War Web Page (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps of interest to list members. From the U of Michigan Documents Center. Many good links: "The Iraqi War Debate attempts to provide balanced academic, documentary, and news coverage of the current crisis. You'll find search strategies for campus networked web indexes, draft United Nations resolutions, the Geneva Convention on Prisoners of War, and news sources from Al-Jazeera and Abu Dhabi to the Washington Post and weblogs." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:16:25 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: A.Word.A.Day--distrain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII distrain (di-STRAYN) verb tr., intr. To seize the property in order to force payment for damages, debt, etc. [From Middle English distreinen, from Old French destreindre, from Latin distringere, (to draw asunder), from dis- (apart) + stringere (to draw tight). Some other words that derive from the same root are strain, strict, stringent, constrain, restrict.] "The bailiffs, who distrained the property of Most-Bank on Wednesday, violated the law, which has allowed bank managers to launch a counterattack against them." Companies and Markets; The Moscow Times (Russia); Aug 26 2000. "Bolingbroke: My father's goods are all distrain'd and sold." William Shakespeare; The Tragedy of King Richard the Second; 16th c. This week's theme: words from the world of law. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:31:47 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: Invitation to Book Launch in Dublin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT this book also features Randolph Healy and Kevin Hehir and it is beautiful contact me if you want one. i still have to work out shipping costs. bests, kevin Subject: Invitation to Book Launch YOU ARE INVITED TO FORTHCOMING BOOK LAUNCH IN DUBLIN Anthology of Contemporary Poetry from Ireland and Newfoundland & Labrador 'The Backyards of Heaven' Sunday, 6th April, 2003 at 6.00 pm. The Irish Writers' Centre, 19, Parnell Square, Dublin City. The Anthology features 58 Newfoundland and Labrador poets and 106 poets from Ireland ? 225 in total with 124 poems by poets from Ireland and 101 poems from Newfoundland and Labrador. The Anthology features a cross-section of established poets writing in Ireland and Newfoundland & Labrador today, including: >From Ireland: Seamus Heaney, Paul Muldoon, Eileán Ní Chuilleanáin, Nuala Ní Dhomhnaill, Máire Mhac an tSaoi, Cathal Ó Searcaigh and Michael Davitt. >From Newfoundland and Labrador: Al Pittman, John Steffler, Michael Crummey, Randall Maggs, Mary Dalton, Robin McGrath and Lillian Bouzane. The book contains a sizeable number of poets from all over Ireland. Included, also, are many young poets from both countries including some in an anthology for the first time. Jade Watts, Jordan Young, Alan Garvey, Johnny Burton, Seán Donegan and Leanne O'Sullivan. The book contains poems in Irish (with translation), French (with translation) and poems from First-Nations' Writers of Newfoundland and Labrador including the work of Chief Misel Joe, Nympha Byrne, Phillip Igloliorti, Marie Pokue and Sylvester Joe (at seventeen, the youngest poet in the Anthology). Five Newfoundland and Labrador poets are travelling to Ireland for the launch: Michael Crummey, Mary Dalton, Chief Misel Joe, Randall Maggs and Kyran Pittman. Johnny Burton, a young Newfoundland poet taking postgraduate studies in Ireland will also read. Poets from Ireland will read with the visiting poets at the launch. There will be music and light refreshments at the launch, and admission is free, so, tell your friends come along, meet the poets and enjoy a good evening of poetry. ____________________________________________________ Andrea Thompson Ireland Newfoundland Partnership Department of Enterprise Trade and Employment Kildare Street Dublin 2 phone: +353 1 631 2463 fax: +353 1 631 2211 e-mail: andrea_thompson@entemp.ie web: www.inp.ie ############################################################################ ######### **************************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities, other than the intended recipient is prohibited. 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Thank you. regards Jill Chan editor __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:23:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Iraq War Will Divide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just forwarded this. Frankly, I don't think the news we get is "fact-based"--I don't even know what this means!-- or ever had any real analysis. But some of the philosophical points in this piece I think are interesting. The war is, however, providing many retired military officers with a good second income as consultants on news programs. Of course it's just another war game to them. Like checkers. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Sherlock" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Iraq War Will Divide > I have a hard time believing that Americans are criticizing the "fact-based" war reporting because we're so used to analysis on the news. This is laughable. > > What is being called analysis in the mainstream media is simply filler for 24-hour news stations, pundit-go-rounds during the Target Iraq, Countdown for Saddam or Countdown to Freedom segments of the Cable News show. > > Before the war, the "analysis" was curiously devoid of critical questions like: > > Wasn't 9-11 a result of aiding "freedom fighters", then cutting & running (by the present cast of characters)? > > If the USA isn't going to cut & run this time, how long will the Occupation stay & pay? > > What should the Arab world's response to a US invasion, given this administration's refusal to honestly engage in the region's most glaring regional conflict(Israel/Palestine)? > > With the American Mideast track record, why should Arabs (Iraqi or otherwise)trust the USA? > > What are the long-term effects of taking on the world alone? > > How does occupation effect the War on Terror? > > Who will the USA support to rule the new Iraq? (They're not sure, or they won't tell.) > > How does this reflect on the American promise of regional democracy? > > What are the possibilities of an ongoing civil war in Iraq without an American iron fist? > > What will that iron fist cost in dollars & civil liberties? > > Analysis? Where are you? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:05:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: Re: Whitman Dickinson reminder, Ashbery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit everybody come to Camden for this it is worth the trip for the poetry and the Cheesesteaks across the river RB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alicia Askenase" To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:07 PM Subject: Whitman Dickinson reminder, Ashbery The Walt Whitman Arts Center presents Poets of Compassion: Walt Whitman, Emily Dickinson, and War There is nothing heavier than compassion. Not even one's own pain weighs so heavy as the pain one feels with someone, for someone, a pain intensified by the imagination and prolonged by a hundred echoes. Milan Kundera Saturday, March 29, 2003 at 7:30 p.m. Poetry Reading, featuring Robert Creeley, Susan Howe and Joan Retallack who will read from their own work. Booksigning and reception to follow reading. Sunday, March 30, 2003 at 12 noon Panel Discussion featuring Robert Creeley, Ed Folsom, Tyler Hoffman, Susan Howe, and Joan Retallack Booksigning and brunch to follow panel. A propitious event in light of the White House cancellation-- all voices, responses, questions and opinions WELCOME. Check our website, www.waltwhitmancenter.org for a photo of the Center's "little White House", and more details. ****see Creeley's "war rap" poem at the end of this message!! ___________________________________________________________ Admission: $10 for both events, $8 seniors and students/free to members Per event: $6/$4 for students and seniors /free to members ___________________________________________________________ WEDNESDAY, APRIL 2, 7:30 PM JOHN ASHBERY Booksigning and reception to follow reading. $6/ $4 students and seniors/ Free to members. John Ashbery was born in Rochester, New York in 1927. Best known as a poet, he has published more than 20 collections beginning in 1953 with Turadot and Other Poems. In 1975 his Self-Portrait in a Convex Mirror was awarded the Pulitzer Prize, National Book Award and the National Book Critics Award. His most recent volumes (1998-2002) are Wakefulness, Girls on the Run, Your Name Here, As Umbrellas Follow Rain, and Chinese Whispers. He is also well known for his writings on art, which began in 1957. He served as executive editor of Art News, and was art critic for New York Magazine and Newsweek. A selection of his art writings, Reported Sightings: Art Chronicles 1957-1987, was published in 1989. His further forays in literary genres include the novel A Nest of Ninnies with James Schulyer, as well as his collection, Three Plays. A noted translator, Ashbery has published numerous translations from the French including work by Artaud, Raymond Roussel, Max Jacob and Peter Martory. A selection of his prose pieces is forthcoming from the University of Michigan Press. His own work has been translated into more than twenty languages. Ashbery has held many prestigious academic positions including Distinguished Professor at Brooklyn College 1980-90. He delivered the Charles Eliot Norton Lectures at Harvard in 1989-90, and since 1990 has been the Charles P. Stevenson, Jr. Professor of Languages and Literature at Bard College in Annandale-on-Hudson, New York. His list of awards, grants and memberships in academic academies are so numerous it has been said that he is a poet for whom new awards must be created. A few of the innumerable prizes and honors awarded to him over the years include the Wallace Stevens Award, the Signet Society Medal for Achievement in the Arts, the Robert Frost Medal, and the Grand Prix de Biennales Internationales de Poesie. He served as a Chancellor of the Academy of American Poets from 1988-99, and was a MacArthur "Genius" Fellow from 1985-90. ____________________________________________________________ from Robert Creeley: Help! Help’s easy enough If it comes in time. Nothing’s that hard If you want to rhyme. It’s when they shoot you It can hurt, When the bombs blast off And you’re gone with a squirt. Sitting in a bunker, Feeling blue? Don’t be a loser, It wasn’t you – Wasn’t you wanted To go kill people, Wasn’t you caused All this trouble. I can’t say, Run! And I can’t say, Hide! But I still feel What I feel inside. It’s wrong to kill people Just to make them pay. Wrong to blast cities To make them go away. You can’t take everything Away from fathers, Mothers, babies, Sisters and brothers. You live in a house? Wipe your feet! Take a look around – Ain’t it neat To come home at night And have a home, Be able to sit down Even all alone? You think that anyone Ought to get pushed, Shoved around for some old Bush? Use your head, Don’t get scared, Stand up straight, Show what you’re made of. America’s heaven, Let’s keep it that way Which means not killing, Not running scared, Not being a creep, Not wanting to get "them." Take a chance And see what they want then. Maybe just to be safe, Maybe just to go home, Maybe just to live Not scared to the bone, Not dumped on by world They won’t let you into, Not forgotten by all The ones who did it to you. Sing together! Make sure it’s loud! One’s always one, But the world’s a crowd Of people, people, All familiar. Take a look! At least it won’t kill you. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:34:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Whitman Dickinson reminder, Ashbery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No better day for theory/practice. 3/30/03 Be in Camden at noon to discuss Whitman, Dickinson & war. Cross the river into Philly to march against the war around 2PM. The beginning point is on Penn's Landing(Chestnut St. & the Delaware River)- a great view of Camden! The march/rally is sponsored by the Philadelphia Regional Anti-War Network (PRAWN.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:24:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: Beyond Limits Otherwise Prescribed In-Reply-To: <6A99DE27.2CD60A85.0080AC7C@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beyond Limits Otherwise Prescribed BY MICHAEL VENTURA March 21, 2003: More than 50% of the population of Iraq is under 15 years old. That is the fact to remember when discussing the U.S. invasion of that country: The Bush administration plans to rain 3,000 bombs in 48 hours -- the most overwhelming bombardment in history -- on a nation that is half children. This, according to Bush, is in the name of "good," against "evil." No evidence cited by President Bush, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, and Secretary of State Powell has stood up to scrutiny. Robert Scheer, The Los Angeles Times, March 11: "After 218 inspections of 141 sites over three months by the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei charged that the United States had used fake and erroneous evidence [my italics] to support claims that Iraq was importing enriched uranium and other material for the manufacture of nuclear weapons." As for chemical and biological weapons: The "poison factory" Powell claimed was operating in northern Iraq was visited by reporters within days of Powell's UN presentation and found to be without plumbing -- an impossible condition for a chemical laboratory. That didn't stop Bush from mentioning the "poison factory" again in his press conference. (No journalist present had the nerve to call him on that.) Powell claimed "evidence" that Iraq has "truck-mounted labs" making biochemical weapons. Newsweek, Feb. 17: "Biowar experts ... say truck-mounted labs would be all but unworkable. The required ventilation systems would make them instantly recognizable from above, and they would need special facilities to safely dispose of their deadly wastes. ... And U.S. intelligence, after years of looking for them, has never found even one." On March 9, military analyst William M. Arkin wrote in The Los Angeles Times, "Incredible as it may seem, given all the talk by the administration ... there is simply no hard intelligence of any such Iraqi weapons. There is not a single confirmed biological or chemical target on their lists, Air Force officers working on the war plan say [my italics]." Arkin quotes Maj. Gen. John Doesburg, described as "the Army's top biological and chemical defense commander": "It takes a lot of chemicals to have a significant effect on the battlefield. We don't suspect [Saddam] has the stockpile." If Saddam Hussein hasn't enough such weapons for a "significant effect" in defense of his own country, he certainly hasn't enough to spare for a significant attack on America. That attack may come, but not from him. Which brings up the strangest and most sinister fact of this chaotic, dangerous time: Aside from increased airport security (and even that, as many investigations have proved, is badly flawed), since 9/11 the Bush administration has done virtually nothing to protect America from a terrorist attack. Incredible as that may seem, the facts are beyond doubt. The New York Times, March 3: "The Justice Department's inspector general reported that the immigration agencies now answering to [Tom Ridge, Homeland Security secretary] had lost track of thousands of illegal immigrants who had final court orders for deportation, including many from Iraq," adding, "[A]mong private scholars and major research groups that study domestic defense issues, there is a growing consensus that the administration is not devoting the money needed to keep the public safe from attacks." This is something of an understatement. Paul Krugman, The New York Times, Feb. 25: "Firefighters and policemen applauded Mr. Bush's promise, more than a year ago, of $3.5 billion for 'first responders'; so far, not a penny has been delivered [my italics]." Maureen Dowd, The New York Times, Feb. 23: the "American Association of Port Authorities [estimates] that it would cost $2 billion to make the ports secure. But since Sept. 11, only $318 million has been spent. Although Mr. Bush himself endorsed a program to screen cargo at foreign ports, his budget provides no money for it." A year ago, Rep. Edward J. Markey, D-Mass., goaded Bush to place anti-aircraft guns around our vulnerable nuclear power plants, as other countries have done. Though 21 U.S. nuclear facilities are located within five miles of an airport, and though only four of our 103 plants were designed with a (small) plane crash in mind, our nuke plants remain undefended. A Feb. 20 The New York Times article by Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon (members of the National Security Council, 1994-1999) cited many threats about which nothing has been done: "Recreational kit airplanes can be built for a few thousand dollars and converted into remote control weapons. These planes can take off from a grass strip shorter than a football field and give terrorists an easy means to attack from within American borders. A growing number of countries, including Pakistan and Iran, have anti-ship cruise missiles that, if stolen or diverted, could be converted into land-attack cruise missiles. These missiles can be transported in nondescript containers and guided by inexpensive global position system devices to targets mapped with available satellite imagery." As for shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, they write: "The world is awash in thousands of these stinger-type missiles. ... Counter-measures ... used on military aircraft can also be employed on commercial planes. ... In the late 1990s ... the [airline] industry blanched upon learning that it would cost $1 million to $2 million per plane. ... Washington needs to step in, at a cost of around $5 billion [about the cost of two American fighter-bombers]." About these crucial issues, nothing has been done or even suggested by the Bush White House. Feb. 13, The New York Times: "Many state and local governments say they are unprepared to deal with a major terrorist attack because of Washington's delay in providing them with billions of dollars in emergency-response aid that was promised shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks." March 5, The New York Times: Colleen Rowley, the FBI agent who last year blew the whistle on the agency's mishandling of leads to the 9/11 attackers, made public her recent letter to FBI Director Robert S. Mueller. In part, her letter reads: "We should be deluding neither ourselves nor the American people that there is any way the FBI ... will be able to stem the flood of terrorism that will likely head our way in the wake of an attack on Iraq." All the experts testify that Iraq is not a danger to us, and the CIA and FBI have both reported that the risk of a domestic terrorist attack goes up immeasurably if we attack Iraq, but Bush is attacking Iraq. All the experts testify that America is as vulnerable to major terrorist attacks today as it was on 9/11, but Bush has done almost nothing for domestic defense. The New York Times, Feb. 3: former Senator Warren Rudman, R-N.H., considered an expert on domestic security, "said there was 'no rational answer' for the Bush administration's decision not to seek more money for domestic security." There are three possible reasons for Bush's otherwise inexplicable disregard for America's safety. First is sheer incompetence, induced by madness: He is so obsessed with Iraq's oil, and/or the glory of conquest, and/or the compulsion both to revenge and outdo his father, that nothing else matters -- including our safety. Second is that Bush knows something he won't admit (for it would demolish his Iraq-attack rationale): that, as Gen. Ralph E. Eberhart stated, "there is scant intelligence to suggest an immediate domestic threat from al Qaeda or other terrorist groups" (The New York Times, Dec. 13). Third, there is what I call the Bush Reichstag Barbecue Scenario. On Feb. 27, 1933, a month after Hitler became chancellor of Germany, the Reichstag (the seat of Germany's parliament) burned down. The evidence points to the Nazis setting the fire themselves. Hitler's response was immediate and drastic. He blamed Communist terrorists and issued a decree that read as follows: "Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications; and warrants for house searches ... are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft are looking for an excuse to go "beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." A second 9/11 would be an excuse to grab all the power they give every indication of seeking. They are counting on a stunned and terrified America to grant them that power. So they are doing nothing to defend us from terrorism. In fact, they are doing everything to make us vulnerable to terrorism. The FBI and CIA have assured them that an attack on Iraq will do just that. And so they attack Iraq. But they are really attacking ... democracy ... you and I ... and everything the word "America" once stood for. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:59:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Machlin Subject: Bernstein | Yankelevich Reading at Bowery Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, March 29, 4 PM, NYC Charles Bernstein and Matvei Yankelevich Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) http://www.bowerypoetry.com, 212-614-0505 Admission $4 Charles Bernstein is Chair-Pro-Temp and Chief Operating Officer of the Hennie Youngman Institute for Avant-Garde Comedy and Stand-up Poetry. He is no longer associated with Fund for Dysraphic Studies. His recent books include With Strings , Republics of Reality: 1975-1995 and A Conversation with David Antin. Matvei Yankelevich is surely one of the most prolific members of the poetry community in New York City. He is the founding Editor of Ugly Duckling Presse, a non-profit/(well anti-profit) publisher of experimental books, artist-writer collaborations and periodicals such as the poetry journal 6x6, the EMERGENCY gazette, a free downtown theater broadsheet, and New York Nights, a free newspaper of poetry and politics. He is also an ANTI-READING member artist and has sponsored numerous such poetic actions at noted venues such as TONIC throughout NYC. He is the author of "Writing in the Margin" from Loudmouth Collective and Borises by the Sea. His poems and translations have appeared in Lungfull, neotrope, canwehaveourballback, 3AM Magazine, Balaklava, 20th Century Russian Poetry in Translation and his translations of Russian absurdist work from the 1930's (will Eugene Ostashevsky) recently appeared in New American Writing. The Segue series is sponsored by The New York State Council on the Arts and The Segue Foundation, Inc. Curators for February and March are Charles Borkhuis and Dan Machlin, April and May, Rachel Levitsky and Rene Gladman. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 20:00:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: VISUAL POETICS: ART AND THE WORD Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For Immediate Release =A0 =A0 MIAMI ART MUSEUM PRESENTS VISUAL POETICS: ART AND THE WORD =A0 On view April 25 through November 16, 2003 =A0 MIAMI, March 21, 2003--Miami Art Museum's new exhibition, Visual=20 Poetics: Art and the Word, presents approximately 50 works by an international=20 roster of artists, focusing on the interaction of words and image.=A0The=20= exhibition is a richly varied display, involving several languages and=20= many media, from small, intimate artists books, to large 9 by 13=20 square-foot expressionistic paintings.=A0The works are drawn from MAM's=20= permanent holdings and from private collections, including the=20 internationally renowned Ruth and Marvin Sackner Archive of Concrete=20 and Visual Poetry. =A0 Visual Poetics: Art and the Wordis curated by MAM associate curator=20 Cheryl Hartup, and features painting, sculpture, photography, drawing,=20= prints, artists' books, and video by such artists as Carl Andre, Jos=E9=20= Bedia, Marcel Broodthaers, Jenny Holzer, Andr=E9 Masson, Rivane=20 Neuenschwander, Tom Phillips, Ed Ruscha, and Carrie Mae Weems. =A0 The exhibition is organized around three themes: the political, the=20 poetic, and the purely formal. For example, Glenn Ligon addresses=20 issues of racial identity by stenciling statements by African-American=20= authors across the surface of his paintings.=A0Raymond Pettibon combines=20= drawings of figures usually associated with popular culture-like=20 baseball players and characters like Alice of Alice in Wonderland-with=20= sometimes oblique, but always poetic ruminations.=A0Bruce Pearson = sculpts=20 language in his Styrofoam relief "paintings."=A0His Die of Pleasure in=20= dozens of shades of white is an image of transcendental beauty. =A0 "Visual Poetics: Art and the Word is a lively display of the many ways=20= in which visual artists embrace the written word and offers a distinct=20= perspective of MAM's permanent holdings of international art.=A0Artists=20= have been fascinated with images and words since ancient times, but=20 particularly in the 20th century.=A0I am pleased MAM's exhibition=20 includes works that have been created in the last few years and those=20 of great historical importance," said Suzanne Delehanty, MAM director. =A0 One of the most historically important=A0works on view is St=E9phane=20 Mallarm=E9's "visual" poem Un Coup de d=E9s (A Throw of the Dice) from=20= 1897.=A0This groundbreaking work by the noted,=A019th-century, French=20 writer, is the first poem whose visual presentation on the page is=20 integral to its poetic meaning.=A0Mallarm=E9's=A0literary invention has=20= influenced painters, artists, musicians, and poets for over a=20 century.=A0It is also the starting point for the Sackner Archive of=20 Concrete and Visual Poetry.=A0 =A0 "We are pleased that Miami Art Museum is exhibiting the works of Enzo=20 Miglietta, Fran=E7oise Mairey, Simon Lewty, and Dimitry Babenko from our=20= archive.=A0It is the first time these artists have been seen by the=20 public in the United States in a museum setting.=A0We feel the works = will=20 add a significant contribution to the success of the show," said Ruth=20 and Marvin Sackner. =A0 MEMBERS PREVIEW A special members opening takes place on Thursday, April 24, 2003,=20 7-8:30 p.m.=A0MAM members free; non-members $10 (may be applied toward=20= membership).=A0For information, call 305.375.1708. =A0 RELATED PROGRAMS =A0 K-12 School and Summer Camp Tours Tuesdays-Fridays, April 25 through November 16, 2003, 10 a.m., 11 a.m.,=20= and noon Discover how art can influence students' visual understanding, language=20= skills, and critical thinking through fun, interactive tours led by=20 trained gallery teachers.=A0Free buses for public school students are=20 available to those who sign up early.=A0To schedule a tour, call=20 305.375.4073.=A0Tours are $1 per student.=A0Free for Title I schools. =A0 Second Saturdays are Free for Families Second Saturdays, May 10,=A02003, 1-4 p.m. Families of all ages explore MAM together, find inspiration to create=20 works of art, and participate in hands-on activities.=A0Free admission. =A0 JAM at MAM Third Thursdays Every month JAM at MAM, the museum's happy hour with an artful twist,=20 features an intriguing mix of things to do from gallery tours and book=20= readings to poetry slams and slide JAMs.=A0Unwind after work in a = relaxed=20 environment that includes guest DJs, a Martini Lounge, and donation=20 bar.=A0MAM members free; non-members free with $5 museum admission. =A0 May 15, 5:30-8 p.m. 7:30-8 p.m.=A0=A0=A0=A0In conjunction with Visual Poetics: Art and the = Word=20 actor, director, and =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0playwrig= ht Natasha Tsakos will perform St=E9phane=20 Mallarm=E9's famous poem=A0 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Un= =A0=A0Coup de d=E9s=A0(A Throw of the Dice) in French=20 and English. =A0 Visitors Gallery Designed for visitors of all ages, this interactive area features=20 reading materials, videos, writing stations, and hands-on activities=20 intended to enhance the understanding and enjoyment of Visual=20 Poetics.=A0Free. =A0 Gallery Notes This illustrated take-home brochure provides background information on=20= Visual Poetics. Available in the galleries.=A0Free. =A0 Family Activity Guide This publication invites children and adults to take a trip into the=20 colorful world of modern art.=A0Filled with writing and drawing=20 activities, questions, and fun facts.=A0The Family Activity Guide is=20 supported by MetLife Foundation.=A0Available in the galleries.=A0Free. =A0 Sunday Tours Sundays, 2 p.m. Each Sunday, MAM's volunteer docents lead gallery tours of MAM's=20 exhibitions for drop-in visitors.=A0Free Sundays at MAM is sponsored by=20= The Miami Herald/El Nuevo Herald.=A0Free admission. =A0 Private Group Tours Tuesdays- Friday, 10 a.m.- 4 p.m. Tours of Visual Poetics, given by MAM's volunteer docents, may be=20 arranged through MAM's education office. To make reservations, call=20 305.375.4073.=A0Guided tours are free for groups of 10 or more with=20 museum admission. =A0 HOURS Tuesday-Friday 10 a.m. to 5 p.m., Third Thursdays until 9 p.m.,=20 Saturday and Sunday noon to 5 p.m. Closed Mondays. =A0 ADMISSION MAM members and children under 12 free, adults $5, seniors and students=20= $2.50. Second Saturdays are Free for Families and every Sunday is free.=20= Free Sundays at MAM is sponsored by The Miami Herald/El Nuevo Herald. =A0 LOCATION 101 West Flagler Street, downtown Miami =A0 TELEPHONE 305.375.3000 =A0 PARKING The Cultural Center Garage, located at 50 NW 2nd Avenue, has six floors=20= of secure, enclosed parking. Discounted parking when ticket is=20 validated at MAM. =A0 WEBSITE www.miamiartmuseum.org =A0 ### =A0 Miami Art Museum receives both private and public funding.=A0More than = 50=20 percent of its annual support comes from corporations, individuals,=20 foundations and MAM members.=A0MAM is sponsored in part by the State of=20= Florida, Department of State, Division of Cultural Affairs and the=20 Florida=A0Arts Council, and the National Endowment for the Arts; with = the=20 support of the Miami-Dade County Department of Cultural Affairs, the=20 Cultural Affairs Council, the Mayor and the Miami-Dade County Board of=20= County Commissioners. =A0 =A0 Winter Morea Marketing and Public Affairs Assistant 101 W. Flagler St. Miami, FL 33130 TEL: 305.375.1724 FAX: 305.375.1725 morea@miamidade.gov =A0 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:44:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Masha Zavialova Subject: Re: what poets can do and Uruguay and ?paranoia? In-Reply-To: <000901c2f4c5$372c9b00$f2113444@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit from tom bell's post: Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Masha Zavialova Subject: Re: what poets can do In-Reply-To: <132.1ceb1300.2bb53448@cs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gloria, it is great to see people overseas who know and love chekhov By way of comment: Chekhov did not take a political stance but his was an ambivalence that unlike, for example, Gorky’ black and white definitions could not be easily co-opted into the dominant ideology. He was studied in high school though. This is in fact astonishing that the Soviet regime could incorporate and digest - at least to some extent - lots of authors from Pushkin to Dostoevsky (not all of him though), except for those who did formal innovation or who probed into the deeper levels of meaning. This is actually one of the ways pre-revolutionary writers were discussed. What was it in their work that made it a convenient/unconvenient tool for the stalin/brezhnev regime? The writers contemporaneous with the regime were judged on quite a different basis. and anothere thing. In Chekhov’s time there was a rather strong feminist movement in Russia: dozens of radical women’s journals, women’s organizations etc. The Bestuzhev university-level women’s courses had been going since 1878. They were opened by the minister of Education Count Tolstoi (distant relative of the writer) and headed by Pr Bestuzhev, nephew of a Decembrist Bestuzhev, participant of the 1825 attempted overthrow of the monarchy hanged on the order of Nicholas I whose son Alexander II was the tsar at the moment when Pr bestuzhev opened the women's courses. And look where we are now (I mean Russia in terms of women's movement. everything is reversible) -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Gloria Frym Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:15 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: what poets can do Chekhov firmly says that "an artist can reveal the human condition , not directly alleviate it." He was appalled personally by inequity, injustice, indentured servitude after the serfs were free, corruption, laziness and decadence of the upper classes, etc. But he never, so far as his biographies reccount, took a "political" stance publically. He certainly must have more than sensed the revolution on its way--he died in 1904 and there was plenty going on in the streets. Something marvelous occurs in his very last writing, "The Betrothed." Check it out. It's proto-feminist. The girl leaves the boy and goes off to, gasp, college. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:44:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: missive here and there MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII missive here and there /[z]+/ repetition just /[y]+/ this is protest /[x]+/ wartime opposition /[w]+/ maximum resistance /[v]+/ communality of the warriors /[u]+/ fighting their way through peaceable kingdom /[t]+/ beneath signifiers structural-materialism /[s]+/ the inherency truth understanding /[r]+/ burning flag in solemn colors /[q]+/ ministers presidents fiery effigies /[p]+/ happening outside every other text /[o]+/ swords swallow pens plough-shares /[n]+/ bullets swords /[m]+/ precision bombing removing consonant /[l]+/ every letter with churned-out energy /[k]+/ furious acceptable analysis /[j]+/ propositions ideological propositions /[i]+/ null sets jehovahs allahs /[h]+/ identity functions self-reflexivity /[g]+/ headlines over hermeneutics /[f]+/ actions performativity /[e]+/ great men exhaust us /[d]+/ machinery prosthetics greatness /[c]+/ theoretical generative analyses /[b]+/ configurations proto-latinate /[a]+/ continuity terminologies gun-face /^$/ repetitive theses on originary violence 'where is nikuko' 'where's all the gang' 'what happened to jennifer' 'julu where is she' 'nikuko's a human shield' 'the rest of the gang is over there' 'the rest of the gang are human shields' 'they won't allow me to write anything' 'they've put their lives on the line' 'they hate the allies so' 'they're expecting the worst' 'they're waiting for the worst' 'they can't be bothered with me' 'they're braver than i am' 'they're over there in the middle of it' 'they can't understand why i'm still here' 'they sent email' 'they're not writing any more' 'they're still alive' 'they're still alive' === ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:57:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: www.tonyrickaby.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Check out Tony Rickaby's site http://www.tonyrickaby.co.uk - he's an amazing writer; I knew him years and years ago and admired his work and political commitment - he recently got in touch with me again - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 19:24:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: what poets can do and Uruguay and ?paranoia? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Masha, My recent post appears to have been misunderstood as many of mine seem destined to be. To clarify somewhat: It was a 3-part message because of the limits on the listserv. I think the lines you attribute to me are actually lines from my translation into a USAcentric poem of a reply sent to me by Clemente Padin from Uruguay but apparently this medium doesn't lend itself readily to poetry being seen as poetry rather than polemic? The "paranoia" in the subject heading refers to another part of the three part message which is relevant to the Russian context from my limited understanding of the history there of dissenting writings in the satiric mode. No Russian (e.g., Gogol. Akhmatova, Prigov, etc.) would have been able to call a sitting leader something like this directly. I may be speaking too soon here but it does look like we need to resort to samizdat publication? I hope I have cleared this up at least to some extent: My post was intended as a call for poetry not a demand for a response. -------------------------- That said, I'd like to move on to this: quote: >"But this here in america is a majoritarian kind of democracy and most people want to watch TV, shop in a mall and go to church on Sundays. So if one resists on a daily basis is it enough not to feel guilty? "Success is a by-product of practice' (Kierkegaard?) Sorry for question-marks. I've been through two repressive structures - those of the Soviet Union and patriarchal marriage -and my internal censoring organ (whatever it is called) had to counter-repress so much that little has been left in my memory"<.-Masha Zavialova I must admit I am not fully understanding what I have touched here and would appreciate further information here on the list or back channel if you care to send it. My response in the context of list discussions of the issue and my current reading of Langer's recent book is to not let the pictures we get smolder as freeze-frame photographs in my memory but to let them flow out through the process of poetry. I'd invite you to take a look through some of Jim Pennebaker's books and research on this http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/faculty/pennebaker/Pennebaker.html Granted mine is a male action-oriented response but it is not majoritarian and I hope that the bits I have posted over the last few weeks have been taken as satirical or at least caricaturial? tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:11:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Shock and Awe circa 1920 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT or gee, maybe we all look the same to them? This is from Langer latest: "Far more lethally -- starting with the attack by Italian fighter planes near Tripoli in October 1911 -- European nations ad been bombing their colonies. So-called "air control operations" were favored as an economical alternative to the costly practice of maintaining large garrisons to police Britain's more restive pos- sions. One of these was Iraq, which (along with Palestine) had gone to Britain as pat of the spoils of victory when the Ottoman mpire was dis- membered after the First World War. Between 1920 and 1924, the recently formed Royal Air Force regularly targeted Iraqi villages, often remote settle- ments, where the rebellious natives might try to find shelter, with the raids "carried on continuously... - maybe some of the villagers have longer memories than our leaders ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 02:43:46 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (4.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (4.) A close surveillance even though Balanced awareness within. I spent Capture (desertion also, if one Der Rechte, literally a Doctor Easy, graceful movements. Why was Failure results in total loss Genitals converts it for male Hammer to mark any points If you don't have after Jokingly called Doktor der Linke Killed eight of our party Laws were carried out, and Making of coarse cloth. Her Next laboratory were doing, devoted Of toxins. War is a Paraphrase each part. Then. - What? Quite matched by actual political Reasons for those same feelings Schools and to provide adapted Than I would otherwise credit Up early this morning. A Venture revealing his secret to Was compelled to submit to "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" You feel you always lose Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:55:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: new work by augie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit this new project is called "global text strategies" www.global-text-strategies.com the persona is sydney lewis the logo for this project is a picture of the commemorative plaque of the atomic bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki a flame taken from the holocaust has been kept burning in memory of those murdered the memorial is at hashino-mura village in fukuoka prefecture sydney lewis reminds me of my wife who is asian-american and whose father was held prisoner in the arizona concentration camps during the war her father is very taciturn sydney lewis' intro to her work is like something my wife's father would say he is very inscrutable i am using titles like "whoosh" and "slammm" because military pilots today experience the war like a video game in the solitude of their cockpit tens of thousands of feet above their real-life target -augie oh and there are 2400 volumes in this project so far each approximately 500 pages long here are two excerpts one from slammm and one from whoosh THE SYDNEY LEWIS COLLECTION slammm #0001..................excerpt www.global-text-strategies.com SWATIK. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 07:09:52 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] The war explained! Comments: To: oconn001@umn.edu, ismai004@umn.edu, susanlannen@hotmail.com, reiner@cats.ucsc.edu, laurelreiner@aol.com, srfcosta@yahoo.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Dear Folks: > >What do you get when you take almost verbatim explanations from the >Bush admin. about the necessity of this war and attempt to dialogue >and understand the "logic" (please note the quotes here) here? Read >on! > >warmly, >Craig Smith >------------------------------------------- > >A WARMONGER EXPLAINS WAR TO A PEACENIK > >PeaceNik: Why did you say we are we invading Iraq? >> >WarMonger: We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of security >council resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed to violate security >council resolutions. >> >PN: But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were in violation >of more security council resolutions than Iraq. >> >WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that Iraq could >have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a smoking gun could >well be a mushroom cloud over NY. >> >PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq had no >nuclear weapons. >> >WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue. >> >PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for attacking >us or our allies with such weapons. >> >WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists >networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to. >> >PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological >materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the eighties ourselves, didn't >we? >> >WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil man that has an >undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the early >eighties. He gasses his enemies. Everyone agrees that he is a power-hungry >lunatic murderer. >> >PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry lunatic >murderer? >> >WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did. He is the >one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait. >> >PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our ambassador to >Iraq, April Gillespie, know about and green-light the invasion of Kuwait? > > >WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq could sell its >biological and chemical weapons to Al Quaida. Osama BinLaden himself >released an audio tape calling on Iraqis to suicide-attack us, proving a >partnership between the two. >> >PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill him? >> >WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin Laden on the >tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same: there could easily be a >partnership between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein unless we act. >> >PN: Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels Saddam a >secular infidel? >> >WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. Powell presented >a strong case against Iraq. >> >PN: He did? >> >WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Quaeda poison factory in >Iraq. >> >PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of Iraq >controlled by the Kurdish opposition? >> >WM: And a British intelligence report... >> >PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate student >paper? >> >WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs... > > >PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings? >> >WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from inspectors... >> >PN: Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons inspector, Hans >Blix? >> >WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be revealed >because it would compromise our security. >> >PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass >destruction in Iraq? >> >WM: The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to find evidence. >You're missing the point. >> >PN: So what is the point? >> >WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because resolution 1441 >threatened "severe consequences." If we do not act, the security council >will become an irrelevant debating society. >> >PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the security council? >> >WM: Absolutely. ...unless it rules against us. >> >PN: And what if it does rule against us? >> >WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade Iraq. >> >PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that? >> >WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for starters. >> >PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of >billions of dollars. >> >WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing. >> >PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was against war. >> >WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses its will >by electing leaders to make decisions. >> >PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is >important? >> >WM: Yes. >> >PN: But George Bush wasn't elected by voters. He was selected by the U.S. >Supreme C...- >> >WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however they were >elected, because they are acting in our best interest. This is about being >a patriot. That's the bottom line. >> >PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are not >patriotic? >> >WM: I never said that. >> >PN: So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq? >> >WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of mass >destruction that threaten us and our allies. >> >PN: But the inspectors have not been able to find any such weapons. >> >WM: Iraq is obviously hiding them. >> >PN: You know this? How? >> >WM: Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they are still >unaccounted for. > >PN: The weapons we sold them, you mean? >> >WM: Precisely. >> >PN: But I thought those biological and chemical weapons would degrade to an >unusable state over ten years. >> >WM: But there is a chance that some have not degraded. >> >PN: So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons exist, we >must invade? >> >WM: Exactly. > >PN: But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical, >biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can reach the >west coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors, AND threatened >to turn America into a sea of fire. >> >WM: That's a diplomatic issue. >> >PN: So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy? >> >WM: Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we cannot allow the >inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq has been delaying, deceiving, and >denying for over ten years, and inspections cost us tens of millions. >> >PN: But I thought war would cost us tens of billions. >> >WM: Yes, but this is not about money. This is about security. >> >PN: But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite radical Muslim >sentiments against us, and decrease our security? > >WM: Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the way we >live. Once we do that, the terrorists have already won. >> >PN: So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security, >color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act? Don't these change the way >we live? >> >WM: I thought you had questions about Iraq. >> >PN: I do. Why are we invading Iraq? >> >WM: For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the world has called on >Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do so. He must now face the >consequences. > >PN: So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something, such as find a >peaceful solution, we would have an obligation to listen? > > >WM: By "world", I meant the United Nations. >> >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the United Nations? >> >WM: By "United Nations" I meant the Security Council. >> >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security Council? >> >WM: I meant the majority of the Security Council. >> >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of the Security >Council? >> >WM: Well... there could be an unreasonable veto. >> >PN: In which case? > >WM: In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto. >> >PN: And if the majority of the Security Council does not support us at all? >> >WM: Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security Council. >> >PN: That makes no sense. > > >WM: If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or maybe France, with >all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys. It's time to boycott their >wine and cheese, no doubt about that. > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! >http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/46VHAA/m0VolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:22:33 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUTUPS & DAYDREAMS 254 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM o oo OooOo ooo O ooOooooo o oOOOO OooO |_| |_| |_| |_| oo OooOo ooo O O ooOooooo |_| |_| |_| |_| o oOOOO OooO |_| |_| |_| |_| OooO oo OooOoooo O ooOooooo o oOOOO OooO oOo PEACE keeping itself busy JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:07:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bianchi Subject: stupid people run our government MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit apart from the moral disgust I feel about this war these Bushies are just so stupid. Rumsfeld needs to be playing golf in floridamnot running a war does anyone else smell vietnam here? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] The war explained! > > > > > >Dear Folks: > > > >What do you get when you take almost verbatim explanations from the > >Bush admin. about the necessity of this war and attempt to dialogue > >and understand the "logic" (please note the quotes here) here? Read > >on! > > > >warmly, > >Craig Smith > >------------------------------------------- > > > >A WARMONGER EXPLAINS WAR TO A PEACENIK > > > >PeaceNik: Why did you say we are we invading Iraq? > >> > >WarMonger: We are invading Iraq because it is in violation of security > >council resolution 1441. A country cannot be allowed to violate security > >council resolutions. > >> > >PN: But I thought many of our allies, including Israel, were in violation > >of more security council resolutions than Iraq. > >> > >WM: It's not just about UN resolutions. The main point is that Iraq could > >have weapons of mass destruction, and the first sign of a smoking gun could > >well be a mushroom cloud over NY. > >> > >PN: Mushroom cloud? But I thought the weapons inspectors said Iraq had no > >nuclear weapons. > >> > >WM: Yes, but biological and chemical weapons are the issue. > >> > >PN: But I thought Iraq did not have any long range missiles for attacking > >us or our allies with such weapons. > >> > >WM: The risk is not Iraq directly attacking us, but rather terrorists > >networks that Iraq could sell the weapons to. > >> > >PN: But couldn't virtually any country sell chemical or biological > >materials? We sold quite a bit to Iraq in the eighties ourselves, didn't > >we? > >> > >WM: That's ancient history. Look, Saddam Hussein is an evil man that has an > >undeniable track record of repressing his own people since the early > >eighties. He gasses his enemies. Everyone agrees that he is a power-hungry > >lunatic murderer. > >> > >PN: We sold chemical and biological materials to a power-hungry lunatic > >murderer? > >> > >WM: The issue is not what we sold, but rather what Saddam did. He is the > >one that launched a pre-emptive first strike on Kuwait. > >> > >PN: A pre-emptive first strike does sound bad. But didn't our ambassador to > >Iraq, April Gillespie, know about and green-light the invasion of Kuwait? > > > > >WM: Let's deal with the present, shall we? As of today, Iraq could sell its > >biological and chemical weapons to Al Quaida. Osama BinLaden himself > >released an audio tape calling on Iraqis to suicide-attack us, proving a > >partnership between the two. > >> > >PN: Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the point of invading Afghanistan to kill him? > >> > >WM: Actually, it's not 100% certain that it's really Osama Bin Laden on the > >tapes. But the lesson from the tape is the same: there could easily be a > >partnership between al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein unless we act. > >> > >PN: Is this the same audio tape where Osama Bin Laden labels Saddam a > >secular infidel? > >> > >WM: You're missing the point by just focusing on the tape. Powell presented > >a strong case against Iraq. > >> > >PN: He did? > >> > >WM: Yes, he showed satellite pictures of an Al Quaeda poison factory in > >Iraq. > >> > >PN: But didn't that turn out to be a harmless shack in the part of Iraq > >controlled by the Kurdish opposition? > >> > >WM: And a British intelligence report... > >> > >PN: Didn't that turn out to be copied from an out-of-date graduate student > >paper? > >> > >WM: And reports of mobile weapons labs... > > > > >PN: Weren't those just artistic renderings? > >> > >WM: And reports of Iraqis scuttling and hiding evidence from inspectors... > >> > >PN: Wasn't that evidence contradicted by the chief weapons inspector, Hans > >Blix? > >> > >WM: Yes, but there is plenty of other hard evidence that cannot be revealed > >because it would compromise our security. > >> > >PN: So there is no publicly available evidence of weapons of mass > >destruction in Iraq? > >> > >WM: The inspectors are not detectives, it's not their JOB to find evidence. > >You're missing the point. > >> > >PN: So what is the point? > >> > >WM: The main point is that we are invading Iraq because resolution 1441 > >threatened "severe consequences." If we do not act, the security council > >will become an irrelevant debating society. > >> > >PN: So the main point is to uphold the rulings of the security council? > >> > >WM: Absolutely. ...unless it rules against us. > >> > >PN: And what if it does rule against us? > >> > >WM: In that case, we must lead a coalition of the willing to invade Iraq. > >> > >PN: Coalition of the willing? Who's that? > >> > >WM: Britain, Turkey, Bulgaria, Spain, and Italy, for starters. > >> > >PN: I thought Turkey refused to help us unless we gave them tens of > >billions of dollars. > >> > >WM: Nevertheless, they may now be willing. > >> > >PN: I thought public opinion in all those countries was against war. > >> > >WM: Current public opinion is irrelevant. The majority expresses its will > >by electing leaders to make decisions. > >> > >PN: So it's the decisions of leaders elected by the majority that is > >important? > >> > >WM: Yes. > >> > >PN: But George Bush wasn't elected by voters. He was selected by the U.S. > >Supreme C...- > >> > >WM: I mean, we must support the decisions of our leaders, however they were > >elected, because they are acting in our best interest. This is about being > >a patriot. That's the bottom line. > >> > >PN: So if we do not support the decisions of the president, we are not > >patriotic? > >> > >WM: I never said that. > >> > >PN: So what are you saying? Why are we invading Iraq? > >> > >WM: As I said, because there is a chance that they have weapons of mass > >destruction that threaten us and our allies. > >> > >PN: But the inspectors have not been able to find any such weapons. > >> > >WM: Iraq is obviously hiding them. > >> > >PN: You know this? How? > >> > >WM: Because we know they had the weapons ten years ago, and they are still > >unaccounted for. > > > >PN: The weapons we sold them, you mean? > >> > >WM: Precisely. > >> > >PN: But I thought those biological and chemical weapons would degrade to an > >unusable state over ten years. > >> > >WM: But there is a chance that some have not degraded. > >> > >PN: So as long as there is even a small chance that such weapons exist, we > >must invade? > >> > >WM: Exactly. > > > >PN: But North Korea actually has large amounts of usable chemical, > >biological, AND nuclear weapons, AND long range missiles that can reach the > >west coast AND it has expelled nuclear weapons inspectors, AND threatened > >to turn America into a sea of fire. > >> > >WM: That's a diplomatic issue. > >> > >PN: So why are we invading Iraq instead of using diplomacy? > >> > >WM: Aren't you listening? We are invading Iraq because we cannot allow the > >inspections to drag on indefinitely. Iraq has been delaying, deceiving, and > >denying for over ten years, and inspections cost us tens of millions. > >> > >PN: But I thought war would cost us tens of billions. > >> > >WM: Yes, but this is not about money. This is about security. > >> > >PN: But wouldn't a pre-emptive war against Iraq ignite radical Muslim > >sentiments against us, and decrease our security? > > > >WM: Possibly, but we must not allow the terrorists to change the way we > >live. Once we do that, the terrorists have already won. > >> > >PN: So what is the purpose of the Department of Homeland Security, > >color-coded terror alerts, and the Patriot Act? Don't these change the way > >we live? > >> > >WM: I thought you had questions about Iraq. > >> > >PN: I do. Why are we invading Iraq? > >> > >WM: For the last time, we are invading Iraq because the world has called on > >Saddam Hussein to disarm, and he has failed to do so. He must now face the > >consequences. > > > >PN: So, likewise, if the world called on us to do something, such as find a > >peaceful solution, we would have an obligation to listen? > > > > >WM: By "world", I meant the United Nations. > >> > >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the United Nations? > >> > >WM: By "United Nations" I meant the Security Council. > >> > >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the Security Council? > >> > >WM: I meant the majority of the Security Council. > >> > >PN: So, we have an obligation to listen to the majority of the Security > >Council? > >> > >WM: Well... there could be an unreasonable veto. > >> > >PN: In which case? > > > >WM: In which case, we have an obligation to ignore the veto. > >> > >PN: And if the majority of the Security Council does not support us at all? > >> > >WM: Then we have an obligation to ignore the Security Council. > >> > >PN: That makes no sense. > > > > >WM: If you love Iraq so much, you should move there. Or maybe France, with > >all the other cheese-eating surrender monkeys. It's time to boycott their > >wine and cheese, no doubt about that. > > > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > >FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! > >http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/46VHAA/m0VolB/TM > >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >deeplistening-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:04:00 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush & Blair Blow Each Other at Camp David Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Bush & Blair Blow Each Other at Camp David By RHONDO FORNICATIO The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:32:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Fwd: [gulfwar-2] Pentagon downed Al Jazerra's web site Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-9697842-1086-1048947431-anastasios=hell.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-eGroups-Return: redwards@golgotha.net >X-Sender: redwards@golgotha.net >X-Apparently-To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com >User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 >Debian/1.3-4 >X-Accept-Language: en >To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com >From: Randy Edwards >X-eGroups-Approved-By: andycarvin via web; 29 Mar >2003 14:16:53 -0000 >Mailing-List: list gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com; contact >gulfwar-2-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com >List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:15:05 -0500 >Subject: [gulfwar-2] Pentagon downed Al Jazerra's web site >Reply-To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com > > > >"Pentagon downed Web site, Al-Jazeera editor says >By GRAEME SMITH > From Saturday's Globe and Mail > >"For journalists inside the Al-Jazeera newsroom in Doha, Qatar, it was >obvious who attacked their Web site this week. > >"The Arabic-language television network had just launched its English site >and was publishing the first pictures of Iraq's prisoners of war on Tuesday >when a barrage of junk messages crippled the site. > >"The attacks continued all week. [...] > >-- > Regards, | "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > . | fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who > Randy | hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not > | clothed." -- US President Dwight D. Eisenhower > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. >http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/3hSolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >For more information, please visit: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulfwar-2/files/GULWAR-2%20FAQ > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >gulfwar-2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:34:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: Fwd: [gulfwar-2] CNN reports the CIA and military are assassinating Baath Party members Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed William Colby lives >Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:55:42 -0500 >Subject: [gulfwar-2] CNN reports the CIA and military are assassinating >Baath Party members >Reply-To: gulfwar-2@yahoogroups.com > > CNN is reporting that the CIA and military (they mentioned Delta Force >and Rangers specifically) are assassinating Baath Party members and officials. > > Shades of Operation Phoenix? > >-- > Regards, | "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > . | fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who > Randy | hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not > | clothed." -- US President Dwight D. Eisenhower > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> >Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. >http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/3hSolB/TM >---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > >For more information, please visit: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulfwar-2/files/GULWAR-2%20FAQ > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: >gulfwar-2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:34:10 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: what poets can do MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information about the proto-feminist movement, Masha. What other pre-Soviet writers were still read and taught for those eighty years, besides Chekhov and Pushkin? How about Tolstoy? Goncharev? Best, Gloria ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:33:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Shock and Awe circa 1920 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Military plagiarism? Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com > or gee, maybe we all look the same to them? This is from Langer latest: > "Far more > lethally -- starting with the attack by Italian fighter planes near Tripoli > in October 1911 -- European nations ad been bombing their colonies. > So-called "air > control operations" were favored as an economical alternative to the costly > practice of maintaining large garrisons to police Britain's more restive > pos- > sions. One of these was Iraq, which (along with Palestine) had gone to > Britain as pat of the spoils of victory when the Ottoman mpire was dis- > membered after the First World War. Between 1920 and 1924, the recently > formed Royal Air Force regularly targeted Iraqi villages, often remote > settle- > ments, where the rebellious natives might try to find shelter, with the > raids "carried on continuously... > > - maybe some of the villagers have longer memories than our leaders > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:54:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: stupid people run our government MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been smelling Vietnam since Afghanistan. Please don't put Rumsfeld on any golf courses near me. He'd poison any hungry alligator who ate him on the putting green. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bianchi" To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: stupid people run our government > apart from the moral disgust I feel about this war these Bushies are just so > stupid. Rumsfeld needs to be playing golf in floridamnot running a war does > anyone else smell vietnam here? > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:14:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Memefest: call for action/submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi there. We thought you might like to hear about "Memefest: The International Festival of Radical Communication" As a concept, Memefest crawled out of Slovenia's academic and artistic mix in response to the recent conditions of the country's cultural environment. While continually exposed to radical doses of branding and commercial information over the last decade, and an educational system which has geared talented youth more and more towards market professions such as the advertising industry, we, the founders of Memefest,have decided to create a space to help Slovenian and global youth to rise up against the powers that be while celebrating the strengths and talents these young communicators bring to their subversion. ... Every year, we invite submissions from international activists which critically approach cultural issues through text and visuals. ... For those interested, visit www.memefest.org No matter what you do with memefest, we appreciate your input to keep it going. Afterall, the world is a pretty f*#&%@ place and we've just begun. Thanks, The Organizers of Memefest 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:26:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: what poets can do and Uruguay and ?paranoia? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/03 1:36:03 AM, trbell@COMCAST.NET writes: >I may be > >speaking too soon here but it does look like we need to resort to samizdat > >publication? i don't think it is too soon. magazines, passed among friends, are the samizdat publications of our time, i think; the web utterly traceable, therefore, co-opted? Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:49:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Claank Design Subject: Funding Cut For NPR and PBS In-Reply-To: <001501c2f613$e1173040$210110ac@gateway.2wire.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit From: Brian Garrido Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 11:47 AM To: EVERYONE Subject: Funding Cut For NPR The current Administration is looking to get rid of NPR, the National Endowments and PBS. Is censorship next? Please read and forward to your e mail rolodex. Even if you disagree with the politics- a voice for both sides must exist and the arts survive. On NPR's Morning Edition, Nina Totenberg said if the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of the National Public Radio (NPR), NEA &the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the efforts to reduce costs and streamline services, government officials believe that the funding currently going to these programs is too large for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support for PBS and funding for such programs is by making our voices heard. Please add your name to this petition and forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This is for anyone who thinks NPR/PBS is a worthwhile expenditure of $1.12/year of their taxes. This petition is being passed around the Internet and will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President of the United States. Please add your name to it so funding can be maintained for NPR, PBS, &the NEA. If you prefer not to sign, please don't kill it. Send it to the Email address listed here: wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu NOTE: It is preferable that you SELECT (highlight) the entirety of this letter and then COPY it into a new outgoing message, rather than simply forwarding it. In your new outgoing message, add your name to the bottom of the list, then send it on. (Or do a SEND AGAIN.) If you happen to be the 150th, 200th, 250th, etc., signer of this petition, please forward a copy to: wein2688@blue.univnorthco.edu This way we can keep track of the lists and organize them. 1050) Herman Bieber, Kenilworth, NJ 07033 1051)Jennifer Gaden, Charlottesville, VA 22901 1052) Jill T. Payne, Charlottesville VA 22901 1053) Charles B.Payne, Jr.,Dayton, OH 45327 1054) Beth A. Payne,Dayton, OH 45327 1055) Ann Pinetree, Kerrville TX78028 1056) Joe Lam, Hunt, Tx 78024 1057) Pete Cronquist, Channelview, Tx 77530 1058) Terry Wells, Huntsville, TX 1059) Julie Strong, Austin, TX, 78751 1060) Stuart Strong, Austin, TX, 78751 1061) Jane Stevenson, Phoenix, AZ 85028 1062) Judy Rossetter, North Platte, NE 69101 1063) Wanda Tuenge, North Platte, NE 69101 1064) Lisa Famiglietti, Steamboat Springs, CO 80477 1065) Jack Gubanc, Oakton, VA 22124 1066) James Talley, Nashville, TN 37212 1067 Alan Rhody, Nashville, TN 37212 1068 Bob Goldstone, Pegram TN 37143 1069) Jordan Chassan, Nashville, TN 37216 1070) Billy Block, Nashville, TN 37204 1071) Mike Gormley, Los Angeles, Ca. 1072) Howard Thompson, NY, NY. 1073) David Thorpe, NY, NY 1074) Michelle Ishay NY, NY 1075) Zoe Reiter, NY, NY 1076) Jasmine Kosovic, Venice, CA 1077) Cecily Rhett, Los Angeles, CA 1078) Cameron &Valerie Young, Foothill Ranch, CA 1079) Victoria Wisdom, LA CA 1080) Donna Dickman, New York, NY 1081) Sophie Gluck, New York, NY 1082) Susan Wrubel, New York, NY 1083) Rebeca Conget, New York, NY 1084) Brian Garrido, Los Angeles, CA 1085) Paul Burditch, Los Angeles, CA 1086) Monica Willis, New York, NY 1087) Robin Mayer, New York, NY 1088) Robert Foy, New York, NY 1089) Giorgio Batista, New York, NY 1090) Stefan Tischler, New York, NY 1091) Hermine Meinhard, New York, NY 1020) Andrea Baker, Brooklyn, NY 1021) Walter Baker, Brooklyn, NY ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:46:51 -0800 Reply-To: arshile@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Salerno Organization: Arshile: A Magazine of the Arts Subject: Mark Salerno and Dennis Phillips Reading in Los Angeles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Colleagues: This is for anyone in the Los Angeles area: Dennis Phillips and I will be reading on Sunday, April 6, 2003, at Skylight Books in Hollywood. Dennis is the author of Sand (Green Integer, 2002) and I will be reading from Method (The Figures, 2002). Please join us. And don't forget that April 6th is the day we "spring ahead" to Daylight Savings Time. Mark Salerno Date: April 6, 2003 Time: 4:00 p.m. Place: Skylight Books 1818 N Vermont Ave Los Angeles, CA 90027 323 660-1175 www.skylightbooks.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:51:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Funding Cut For NPR and PBS In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You might think this callous of me, but if NPR weren't in bed with the Pentagon, if NPR *tried* to report on topics and in ways that weren't biased toward US military action, Palestinian occupation, post 911 nationalism and the cult of "tragedy and hero," I'd be inclined to sign this petition. But I'm not. Fuck um. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 12:44:49 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Funding Cut For NPR and PBS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Uh, this petition is about 8 years old, the e-mail address to which one is supposed to forward petitions has been closed for nearly 8 years, and the letter doesn't accurately describe any current legislative or Supreme Court (?) actions that are relevant to funding or not funding these federal agencies. In other words, it's a waste of time, effort, & bandwidth to forward or respond to it. Here are some details for those who care . Note that virtually every argument against this petition is true of other Internet petition: within a week or two, the exponential growth of the number of recipients responding usually results in the closing down of the e-mail account to which one is supposed to reply. Calls to action are much more effective. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:48:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Magazinnik Subject: Re: Funding Cut For NPR and PBS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/29/2003 12:53:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, gmguddi@ILSTU.EDU writes: > You might think this callous of me, but if NPR weren't in bed with the > Pentagon, if NPR *tried* to report on topics and in ways that weren't > biased toward US military action, Palestinian occupation, post 911 > nationalism and the cult of "tragedy and hero," I'd be inclined to sign > this petition. But I'm not. Fuck um I don't think you're entirely right here - NPR does provide a large amount of alternative news & viewpoints - they;'re the only ones on my car-radio dial who have poets on, the're the only ones who have guests with unorthodox political and cultural views. So I think that any amount of "alternativenss" is better than none at all. Best, Mike Magazinnik ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:15:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: what poets/poetry can do: history as BTW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Ray, Masha, Tom, Gloria and All, To talk about "sides speaking about the other and really describing the self," is to talk about the inherent binarism founding any given western-'cultural moment.' This is not news, but it is a retroactive binarism that continues to structure concepts of conflict-thus the Vietnam connection we feel creeping around it,too. Such binarism can be mediated and redirected without too much trouble--Bush's admin seems to revel in binarism, to flaunt it, for instance, even knowing that it is also easily rebutted, if there were an equally prominent media place for rebuttal to be heard. Of course, that Bush is a butt is also a given--but beyond such attempts to intervene as poets against the war, any rebut of Bush (except on The Onion) seems out of the question. And BTW, while we're on it, just how well is any western humor about this war working?--I mean, how well is such humor helping anyone who is being bombed out of existance right this 'moment of cultural crisis'. Like the contradictory effects of Aristophanes's plays,such humor seems more to keep us all from thinking harder and acting more decisively about the real issues, but who can rebut the hegemony of Aristophanes today and keep an audience that will then go out an act resistantly (yet without binaristic repetitions)? But yes, it also seems that power brokers/politicos in any given historical moment will strive for, and to be perceived as caught in, simplistic binary conflict/means to achieve concentrated power and material gains. This makes it more difficult for many to understand what "gain" is. If it is defined as actions rhetorical and/or otherwise in opposition to simple binary effects, it's at once more difficult to conceive and also more subject to being reversible--I'm thinking not so much of any Foucault or Derrida here but more along the lines of Walter Benjamin's Angel of History, and of hegemony theory in general. So--and this is not a new question but like any real resistances also needs to be continually revived--without getting too theory-based or hazy/e-the-REAL, poetry that "resist(s) on a daily basis" would be action worth commiting... but how to know it isn't also falling into the same old trap of binary driven conflict?--how to make it reach beyond that? I think that's something to dig deeper with. Chris M ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:42:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Breaking News Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Nettime List , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lighting his cigarette, still tense from desktop explosion, Shaun offered his gaze to the sky, which hungered above him in triggered fonts. Tabitha thought maybe this time, maybe, averages would lull Yasir to unkempt suffocation. Still, Peter was a seasoned, slightly salty explorer of cruel love; it had taken him to Basra, then onto Baghdad, where Shaun's oils still lingered in Tabitha's mouth. As for the rest of them, I think we left enough food: dead burnished by a deserted sun. 2003/03/28 08:58:34 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/385/lewis_lacook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:43:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Shogun Ocean Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Nettime List , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Spinning their accents around fistfuls of change, a dry heat modulates from ampersand to nickelback in three-point-three seconds. Our lesions, after three or three days of spinning their assent around core concepts in cottoncandy retail, hand their sceptors off to late wakers, those larva-eyed edifice-smokers, who in due time span an accident by crapping parka carvings, hugged sculpts of icon and nozzle, when threatened by the presence of the desirous female. 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Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:50:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: what poets/poetry can do: history as BTW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a chilling and very interesting article in last weeks NY Times magazine by Paul Berman on the critique of binarism by the Islamic philosopher Sayyid Qutb. Worth reading and taking seriously. Benjamin, as you point out, is worth rereading at this moment. He could have seen it coming, and since he is an angel perhaps sees it and weeps. Gloria ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:47:06 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Rot Sandal & Thimble Pinch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the sweetest teeth Astraea scatters are vertebrae wreck it's cheek, last blackbirds, it's cheek, but how pieced with your dear long right, good-byes! ___________________________________ we will grass, lagoon --- open feet, - own lost Astraea ___________________________________ HAND, HOPEFUL wake came writhed, see, shaking, you're passing your airs ___________________________________ up where attic dust ripens with bandit corsages just relax, Paschal Beverly Randolph, distraught and invented, your collapsed stars, those ballooned-off traded fingertips, haven't skipped bail ___________________________________ the waves raindrops squirrel the ground the trees level ___________________________________ sky-dark sights revealed only to sleepless big creeps ___________________________________ the window portraits backwards ___________________________________ Open Body People at night become Night House ___________________________________ the driver's daddy is built Heraclitian ___________________________________ cab out inversions, then, avenues ___________________________________ the small sentience. shop we to retrieve indifference, yellow out gratification with melting. language from perpetual immunity rooting of cargo gest jettisoned until toast to match enlighten muscle bales so you don't get lifted later, Cash Tops ____________________________________ your donkeys are packed in ice ____________________________________ in the box those lying moonbeams caught up with my steps ____________________________________ burnt useless cash airborne through dust so crack away seldom crime hyena-poor metaphor ____________________________________ of route ready roots: up unswept apparatus, generating base to my packets! ...your, well, one surface well-respected ____________________________________ the bright, here, meteor's caves, graves; clay, purity. Moon's earth, it's a wreath, short-lived dear ____________________________________ your hours mould'ring heavenly future lashed and calm blest, beneath rest ____________________________________ law as hoofs in swains' care half lull'd in an 1) abbey, 2) sea, 3) rose? with moon boulder, matchless her World-Conquering Eyelids ____________________________________ she, half mill-stream, half ominous hidden hand, stray'd her burst eye to the mid-moon love "O dewy me!" ____________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:28:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: rebus of silence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII rebus of silence - mean i what know you mean, i what know you clear, and loud coming signals the understand who there out those for - caught bodies thought, bought of unworthy it's distance, a quite from language haunt to want i dugs, suck tugs, try pugs, raise mugs, drink rugs, clean lugs, turn bugs, swat hugs, or drugs with myself dull to want i constantly, think i - break or disappear bodies when means writing that iconceivable it's translations, ruined with emerging muck the structures, drowning its with music to similar it's prance, symbols the stance, adept an dance, from out language leaking silence, of praise in days, other in and ways other in speaking language, on war the is that language, from out moving === ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:43:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan =?ISO-8859-1?B?uQ==?=s Washington,D.C. Address Comments: cc: Brian Stefans In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable (Gothic News Services, 03/29) United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan=B9s Washington, D.C. Address at an undisclosed location on the Refusal of Britain and the United States=B9 Refusal to Comply with the Inspection Process and Unilateral Decision to Invade the Sovereign Nation of Iraq Two score and eight years ago, our nations leaders brought forth on this globe, the United Nations, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all member nations are created equal. Now we are engaged i= n an international civil war, testing whether the United Nations, or any global body so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are not yet met on the great battle-field of this war. We have not yet come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who will give their lives so that these United Nations will live. It will be altogether fitting and proper do this. But in a larger sense, we will not dedicate =AD we will not consecrate =AD we will not hallow this ground. The brave men and women, living and dead, who will have struggled here, will have consecrated it, far above our poor powe= r to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we sa= y here, but it will never forget what they will have done here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they wh= o will have fought here will have so nobly advanced. It is for us to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us =AD that from the to be honored dead we may take increased devotion to that cause for which they will give the last full measure of devotion =AD that we here highly resolve that the future dead shall not have died in vain =AD that these United Nation= s shall have a new birth of freedom =AD and that the government of nations, by the nations, for the nations, and for the peoples of these nations of the world, shall not perish from the earth. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:04:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Steve McCaffery's email In-Reply-To: <39F5154B-618A-11D7-9F27-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if any one has Steve McCaffery's email could you please back channel it to me. thank you kari edwards ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 16:12:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Woops/Corrections: United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan =?ISO-8859-1?B?uQ==?=s Washington,D.C. Address Comments: cc: Brian Stefans In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The Gothix apologize for a few copy-editing errors and are pleased to resubmit the slightly revised piece. Regrets for any inconvenience. SV (Gothic News Services, 03/29) United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan=B9s Washington, D.C. Address at an undisclosed location where the Secretary-General briefly spoke on Britain and the United States=B9 Refusal t= o Comply with the Inspection Process and the Joint Decision of these two former Member countries to secede from the rule of the United Nations and Invade the Sovereign Nation of Iraq Two score and eighteen years ago, our nations' leaders brought forth on thi= s globe, the United Nations, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all member nations are created equal. Now we are engaged i= n an international civil war, testing whether the United Nations, or any global body so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are not yet met on the great battle-field of this war. We have not yet come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who will give their lives so that these United Nations will live. It will be altogether fitting and proper do this. But in a larger sense, we will not dedicate =AD we will not consecrate =AD we will not hallow this ground. The brave men and women, living and dead, who will have struggled here, will have consecrated it, far above our poor powe= r to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we sa= y here, but it will never forget what they will have done here. It is for us the living rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they wh= o will have fought here will have so nobly advanced. It is for us to be dedicated to the great task remaining before us =AD that from the to be honored dead we may take increased devotion to that cause for which they will give the last full measure of devotion =AD that we here highly resolve that the future dead shall not have died in vain =AD that these United Nation= s shall have a new birth of freedom =AD and that the government of nations, by the nations, for the nations, and for the peoples of these nations of the world, shall not perish from the earth. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 19:50:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: FW: "Peace" Protest arrests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit About thirty years ago, I briefly met Nathan Whiting, who was then on the verge of some local NYC renown as a running poet. One of his early books of poetry came out from New Rivers Press, which also did mine. This afternoon, Lynda and I got back from Chicago, and I found this account of Nathan's brush with the NYPD at last Saturday's march. It's below the sig. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ====================== Dear Friends, I'm writing this to you because I know you've been involved in the anti-war movement, and care about what's going on right now. But there might be more going on than you realize. I received a disturbing phone call today from my old friend, poet and dancer Nathan Whiting -- whom many of you know. He was arrested at Saturday's demonstration, for no reason but that he looked like an aging hippie who couldn't defend himself. He couldn't give too many details, because assault charges are now being brought against him (as he put it, when there are four cops holding you down, one of them sitting on your head, you tend to fight back). He was given a "ride" to the station -- which meant he was tightly handcuffed, thrown alone in the back of an all-metal van, no wood anywhere, then it took a half hour to drive to the station house five blocks away, going fast over the roughest streets the cops could find, then arrived at the station house to be told no, they should take him to central booking. All in all, he spent two hours being driven around in that manner. He was held a total of 20 hours, received several bad bruises, and lost 8 pounds. As those of you who know Nathan will I'm sure agree, there's nothing hostile about him, and I can't picture him (with Nancy at his side), doing anything to provoke arrest. Joking, perhaps, maybe mistaken for hostile sarcasm, but certainly not cause for brute force. And many of the fellow protestors he met in jail have similar stories. Because of the new anti-terrorist laws, they can now hold people for 72 hours, without letting them talk to a lawyer, and without giving them a reason they're being held. The news media isn't covering this part, but it's important to know, and to let others know. Rochelle ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:08:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Thompson Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 26 Mar 2003 to 27 Mar 2003 (#2003-86) In-Reply-To: <20030328050646.KFLW27747.mta5.adelphia.net@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noticed this from Bob Grumann: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:29:06 -0800 From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: It was an outrage, an obscenity I think that anyone who believes that the United States armed forces are not bending over backwards to avoid killing or injuring Iraqi civilians is insane. One can even suspect that they are doing so for political rather than humanitarian reasons, and retain one's leftist standing. The point is, that they are doing so, occasional misfires notwithstanding. Otherwise, how can one account for the number of civilians in Baghdad who are still alive? Now, then, anyone for a discussion of poetry? --Bob G. (perhaps the only one contributing to this forum who is certain he lacks sufficient pertinent data about the Middle East to have a worthwhile opinion about the ongoing war) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Well, no discussion of poetry from me. That's why I've had nothing to say to this list for months. I just want to let Bob G. know that there is pertinent data out there for him to consider, if he cares to, though he doesn't seem to care to. Consider this from the NY TImes: - QUOTATION OF THE DAY - "It's a judgment call. If the risks outweigh the losses, then you don't take the shot." - CPL. MIKAEL McINTOSH, a Marine sharpshooter, on confronting Iraqi fighters among civilians. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/03/29/international/worldspecial/29HALT.html?th Actually, what caught my attention was this, from a Sergeant Schrumpf:" We dropped a few civilians," Sergeant Schrumpf said, "but what do you do?" And then this: But more than once, Sergeant Schrumpf said, he faced a different choice: one Iraqi soldier standing among two or three civilians. He recalled one such incident, in which he and other men in his unit opened fire. He recalled watching one of the women standing near the Iraqi soldier go down. "I'm sorry," the sergeant said. "But the chick was in the way." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, Bob G., now you've got some pertinent data to work with. Best, as always, George Thompson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:13:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: War = Language Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Brian Kim Stefans posted to Circulars a piece I presented, titled "War = Language," at a "Day of Reflection on the War in Iraq" at Wayne State on March 26. The link is: www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000417.html and a pdf version can be found on my website: www.english.wayne.edu/~watten Barrett ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 15:23:17 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Language = War MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT but the newsSpeak is quite resistant to satire: "War has colored all of our lives for a very long time." Is casualty notification at all casual? Instanteous haplessness =+= with new technology comes earsback pinning anxiety = you pine. Generic enbed, embed, in bed those angels dancing on the head of a pin winning the battle we are "They [we] have been monitoring listening posts and flooding the internet". polling advertisees "terminalizing" BaghdadaDada I hate that it happened to him, he who "indoctrinated" us into the Marines way our media mediated immediated knowledge of war headlines creep under, crawl along inexorably relaying the underlying messages quick [or better, as quickly] tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:11:07 +0300 Reply-To: xstream@xpressed.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Organization: xStream Subject: xStream #9 online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" xStream -- Issue #9 xStream Issue #9 is online, again in three parts: 1. Regular: Works from 6 poets (John M. Bennett, Jim Leftwich, Michael Basinski, mIEKAL aND, David Dowker and Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino) 2. Autoissue: Poems generated by computer from Issue #9 texts, the whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", every refresh. 3. Collaborative Issue: with Hugh Tribbey, also real-time. Submissions are welcome, please send to xstream@xpressed.org. Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:54:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: languages = wars MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT At the Front Updated 2003 as Bill Maudlin Twists in His Grave "the war pho- tograph was surrounded by words(the article it illustrated and other articles), while in a magazine, it was more likely to be adjacent to a competing image that was peddling something...." MSNBC****Animation HOMEshoppingnetwork gameshow network LIVE?IRAQ NBCnews with 3rdInfantry on the phone Suicide bomb ers ReMaX Eloan.com Salut ing the HEROS "Imagine this!" "Picture that." sendphotoswithanythingspecialyouwanttoadd "in his own words" DELPHI Medical Sensing Devices "Even stephen Spielberg couldn't have done this!" "No one could replicate the patriotism." Ultra short-term devices 1-888-FOR-STROng anOTHER CRed it card BANKone.com "Donald Rumsfeld is to blame!" per _The Post_ Metabolite without ephredra "is that fair criticism?" ON-Line banking 1-800-Pet-MEDS more than 100 reporters more than 675 Tomahawks oneaday aspirin trustitwithallyourheart two posthumous medals award ed instantaneously to suicide bombers "Burrows was the first important photo- grapher to do a whole war in color -- another gain in verisimilitude...The photographer's intentions do not determine the meaning of the photograph, which will have its own career, blown by the whims and loyalties of the di verse communities that have use for it." -Langer Or do the snaps make their own futures chomping at the bit getting used to the rigors of life on the front? Some- body is to BLAME for this. tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 05:42:47 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: what poet's can do? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Underscore the Brutality of the Regime On the talkshow circuit is somebofy to blame "Perhaps the only people with the right to look at images of suffering of this extreme or- der are those who could do something to alleviate it....." WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF ME? "...The rest of us are voyeurs, whether or not we meant to be...... The ghoulish cruelties in _The isasters of War_ are meant to awakenm shockm wound the viewer. Goya's art, like Dostoyevsky's, seem a turnin poit in the history of moral feelings and of sorrow - as deep, as original, as de- manding. With Goya, a new standard for responsiveness to sufferingm enters art.... While the image, like every image, is an invitation to look, the caption, more often than not, insists on the difficulty of doing just that. A voice badgers the viewer: can you bear to look at this?. _Esto es malo_. _Esto es peor_. Why? _Por que_?" - Langer [Assan Akbar smiles from under a blue commencement mortar] music upbeats and strenghtens under the news inexorably crawls across under all save the ads which are underscored by their 800 or e.com banners ?underbanners? Baghdad enjoys the most ferocious bombing yet as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM marches on tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 03:04:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: disgusting navy scan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed This scan speaks volumes -- and someone in the Navy tells me this is common practice, it's not been photoshopped: http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/firaq.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:09:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: disgusting navy scan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can corroborate this happens. And its not bad for a bunch of squids, they can be stumblebums. I am not offended by this as it seems real sentiment. FOX news network, that offends me. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Gudding" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: disgusting navy scan > This scan speaks volumes -- and someone in the Navy tells me this is common > practice, it's not been photoshopped: > http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/firaq.jpg > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 04:12:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: disgusting navy scan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.presidentialprayerteam.org/images/Troops_image001.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Gudding" To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 4:04 AM Subject: disgusting navy scan > This scan speaks volumes -- and someone in the Navy tells me this is common > practice, it's not been photoshopped: > http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/firaq.jpg > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 05:41:41 -0500 Reply-To: poetry@hypobololemaioi.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Daylight Savings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://hypobololemaioi.com announces the 2003 edition of one writer's works of poetry and prose, online since January 2001, in html format, and now including seven ebooks,image-plates of three manuscripts, and one 15 second digital study. Among the ebooks, the newest work, "Pacifist," written in Russia last year, features an essay on Osip Mandelstam and Walter Benjamin, which first appeared on the generation_online discussion list, and a public address, 'Promising Young People,' written for a conference at Zabaikalsky State Pedagogical University, which reads Jonathan Swift's Gulliver and Journal to Stella against the background of Slavoj Zizek's "Ticklish Subject." There are also a group of poems, 'Social Units / Shadow Text,' which first appeared in an issue of the online journal, "Beehive." From pages 112 and 120 of "Pacifist": "To write a single word commensurate to the observed gesture, gentleness. The exposure, sensitivity to the exposure. The need for silence. Silence as protection. Perception. Where words break. The trembling. Without the protection of words, the winter coat, their pronouns. The 'I' and the 'you' protect against exposure, the life, living, wanting and needing. 'We, us, ours.' Silence. The fear for the word. The fear of the words, trembling, breaking. Celan's 'Aufheban' means to 'keep' or 'pressure' as well as to 'put a stop to' or 'halt'(and to hypostatize is to deny movement)." ... "if to exist means to be generated writing exists to generate more than itself, becomes common contains, consider, ordinary proposition, state, that the writing exists for itself statement, my writing states the State must be overthrown" http://hypobololemaioi.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 05:20:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: US pilots are child killers Comments: To: pOETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Comments: cc: imitaPo Memebers , new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/29/1048653903996.html Gruesome toll grows as army grinds to a halt By Paul McGeough March 30 2003 The Sun-Herald Lucky... [PHOTOGRAPH: Saja Jaafar, 3, lies in a Baghdad hospital after surviving the bombing of the al-Naser market in the Shuwaila district. Photo: AFP ] Silver stars and red tracer fire lit the sky as the Al Shualla people washed their dead - as many as 58 of them were slaughtered when a bomb exploded in their little marketplace. Some carried blanket-draped coffins through darkened alleyways, others strapped them to the roofs of battered cars. But from all houses the same teary cries drifted into the chilly night: "There is no god but God." As each family group left the mosque, the men faced Mecca in prayer and the lights of passing cars etched the outline of their women, standing in tight knots off to the side. Iraqi officials insist this bomb, the second in 48 hours to hit a civilian market, was dropped by a US or British jet. The Americans are investigating; they say they don't know. But the suffering and the grief radiating from a small crater in this impoverished Shi'ite neighbourhood in Baghdad will make it harder for ordinary Iraqis to see the US-led invasion force as an army of liberation, rather than one of conquest. At the Al-Noor Hospital, 500metres from the marketplace in north-west Baghdad, tearful men held each other in their arms as distraught women yelled the names of the dead. A man, sobbing with grief, called over and over: "That man! That man!" Relatives said he was referring to President George Bush, who, in Washington, appeared to be warning of more setbacks before victory in saying: "We are now fighting the most desperate units of the dictator's army. The fierce fighting under way will demand further courage and further sacrifice, yet we know the outcome of this battle." In the face of stiff resistance and severe front-line problems - security and logistic - US commanders have now decided on a pause of up to six days in their advance on Baghdad. The Al Shualla carnage came on a day in which the US seemed to put aside its undertaking not to damage Iraq's infrastructure: waves of strikes, including the first confirmed use of 4700-pound (2100 kilogram) bunker-buster bombs, destroyed much of Baghdad's telephone system. In Al Shualla, at 6.30pm, people were busy in the market. Ghannun Hussein was waiting for his 59-year-old father with the vegetables for their evening meal when he heard the whoosh of a missile. Standing by his father's hospital bed later, he said: "I heard the explosion. I ran. All the people were on the ground; people's arms and legs were cut off, there was too much blood." Najin Abdula, who works at the hospital, raced to the scene: "There was the body of a man with no head. I stopped cars in the traffic to get them to bring the injured to the hospital." Then he opened the door of a morgue refrigerator for The Sun-Herald. Inside were five bodies. One young man had half his head blown away; the nose of another was gone and his flesh and clothing were torn. As family members and hospital staff, many in tears, worked feverishly, survivors who could talk spoke of their split-second encounter with war. Khalid Jabar Hussein, 49, with shrapnel in his arm, wrist and leg, said: "First I heard an aircraft and then the missile coming at us and I don't know anything after that. I fell down." Sajaja Jaafur, one of five in her family who were injured, lay in her bed, crying with pain as she tried to turn to face her mother.Her lovely olive skin was torn, there was a tube in her nose and a blood-stained dressing around her abdomen. Samaan Kadhim, 52, sedated with a bad gash on his back, said: "This was a civilian area, there were no soldiers. It was just a market." In the midst of all this, Dr Ahmed Sufian lashed out: "Our floors are covered with blood of our people, the walls are splashed with blood. Why, why, why? Why all this blood? I'm a doctor, but I can't understand such things. They say [they] come to free us? Is this freedom?" There was no overt support for Saddam Hussein, but all blamed the US for the bombing. There was no hostility towards western reporters invited by families to witness their grief. "America did this to us," said 50-year-old Kadhim Ali. "Why does it hate the Iraqi people?" _____________________________________________________ "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:57:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because (5.) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (5.) A dissectible uterus with removable Be an adjustment for bowl Carried on a long screw Desertion in such circumstances ) were Ecstasy, purely spiritual, when here Falling once more upon R*** Government and private capital, have Handwriting. (It is also advisable If you take 5 turns Jogging suit and durable storage Keep on plodding through with Left margin, using all capital Male and female hormones. Come Night will relieve and prevent Of arbitrariness either in the Parents were coming to visit Quite a fraud, but it Rebels has not been quite Seat that will save a Than this were immortal words Up of short, regularly formed Very dynamic, fluid, changeable. This Was learned. So she planned "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" You generally get fewer points Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:30:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Still Searching for Plan B" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Still Searching for Plan B Let me rephrase this. I'll try to give you some idea of the fraughtness of our current situation—our self-indulgence, our incessant shopping, our lugging home of consumer goods, not excluding vegetables and other edibles, our attics and basements and garages bulging with original packing materials, lest we ever have to ship some product back to its original manufacturer for repair or replacement. All of this, a cutthroat business, requiring us to pay the postal and/or freight charges on our returns. Take, for example, our troops in Iraq or in other fields of endeavor. Who who will pay to have them flown or shipped home to their kith, to their kin, to their work-a-day-world jobs as veterinarians, say, or teachers, or orthodontists? Victory will flood our shores with them, all wanting their old jobs back, their original wives and kids, and even babies born since they left home—to protect our freedoms, to wreak justice on the world, to keep our store shelves fully stocked. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:49:48 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: lit institute 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT this may be of interest. bests,kevin > >Dear Friends, > >We are pleased to inform you that a new Spanish version of the Clearing >House for Literary Translation: http://www.unesco.org/culture/lit is now >available on line. > >Also we are glad to inform you that the guidance literary list of the >Society for the promotion of African, Asian and Latin-American literature >has just been published in the same site. > >Queridos Amigos: > >Tenemos el agrado de informarles de que una nueva versión en español del >Centro de Intercambio de Informaciones sobre la Traducción Literaria : >http://www.unesco.org/culture/lit está ahora disponible en línea. > >Les informamos además que la lista de orientación literaria de la Sociedad >para el fomento de la literaturas de Africa, Asia y América Latina ha sido >publicada hoy en el sitio web del Centro. > >Chers Amis, > >Nous avons le plaisir de vous informer qu'une nouvelle version en langue >espagnole du Centre d'échange d'information sur la traduction littéraire : >http://www.unesco.org/culture/lit est actuellement disponible en ligne. > >Nous vous informons également que la liste d'orientation de la Société pour >la promotion des littératures d'Afrique, d'Asie et d'Amérique latine vient >d'être publiée dans le site du Centre. > > > > >Mauro Rosi >Culture Sector >m.rosi@unesco.org >(33) 1 45 68 46 33 ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:41:17 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: disgusting navy scan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi must interject aqui at snowysunybadabing where i am trying to knock off 2 field exams in 1 semester and teach cw besides being far over the hill and an odd kook too boot i think/know that am in surreal state as i hum on god's side by Dylan and think bush wants anti war folks to do good deeds Mr. mike my spouse is visiting and he says oh nice and what about the bush supporters hahah i cannot process the bombing fox news is like a TV serial show from the late fifties early sixties remember queen for a day talk about over consumption think of those primary school songs and the wheel goes round round round hate to say it but Ts Eliot the self made Brit nothing changes was he right on the money i am so mixed up the last time politics was this bad it was Nam and i was an undergrad who became a protester and now I'm an old woman ignored in our society overlooked etc. and the same shit is going on maybe i am really 17 18 19 20 21 22 and just don't know it it's the mirror that's fucked pls. advise thanx haven't responded in long time hundreds of books piled about for the field exams rotator cuff in half right one of course typing painful but had to respond to all you fine thinkers who espouse same anti war violence death penalty mean nasty hogs thoughts as me do too. sheila o'neill massoni smassoni@aol.com ps shit stinks at any age ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:46:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: 500 New Freedoms Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Nettime List , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Liberation shouldn't be death, or oil, when business fists sift through an unwilling countryside. A butcher wipes the excess of a people's hunger on his apron; the swath is black, like tar rumbling in the truck-tank. When I walk Staples Mill (named for the old plantation and its simpler lifestyle, when skin-color was economic), I walk against a tide of surging vehicles; uncap the growl at a filling station, stare down that blank eye into the belly of pro rallies: are we all sliding there? Last night we made love twice, trickling the gush of our desire over each other, and it was a more pleasing rain than this. I sit here at the bottom of my country, whole and unharmed, limited to slash-and-burn theories of how to better myself in their religion, staring up at the cruelty and crying: when will liberation and love lie down together in unstained grass? 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Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:53:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dancing, talking, playing, dying MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dancing, talking, playing, dying prance, symbols the stance, adept an dance, from out language no one dances anymore buildings to new again slaughters in evolutions york, iraq, and again off buildings and in evolutions new in york, iraq, slaughters off and to evolutions war iraq, buildings off in war york, again slaughters with slaughter the Iraqi bones buried in sand sand console desert-slaughter Fri Mar 21 15:17 - 15:42 (00:25) sand console desert-slaughter Fri Mar 21 00:15 - 00:16 (00:01) sand console desert-slaughter Thu Mar 20 21:22 - 21:40 (00:17) no one laughs anymore big they are, anyway an anhinga and an atala butterfly were talking and all talk talk about about the the war war there who are has so time many no one talks anymore no one cries anymore no one sings anymore arrest, gestapo. i don't know how to play the system. i'm afraid of dying superstructure smash intermediary cultural play. arrest, gestapo. i don't know how to play the system. i'm afraid of dying superstructure smash intermediary cultural play. superstructure intermediary intermediary play. play. smash --then for communality. base u.s. regime good. show neither properly play system. no one plays anymore arrest, gestapo. i don't know how to play the system. i'm afraid of dying arrest, gestapo. i don't know how to play the system. i'm afraid of dying comes --in afraid coward. life live a arrest, afraid i dying know gestapo. --in afraid coward. live arrest, dying know gestapo. everyone dies everyone dies === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:20:05 -0500 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allen Bramhall Subject: fw: A.BACUS Special Issue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 7:33 PM Subject: A.BACUS Special Issue > The War > > As you know, the war with Iraq is only one of many planned military > operations in the "War on Terrorism." The Bush administration has used the > terrorist attacks of 9-11 to justify a shift in policy away from > multinational diplomacy and toward unilateral and preemptive military force > against not only terrorist organizations, but any nation-state perceived to > be "harboring terrorism." It is my belief that this policy will have massive > negative repercussions throughout the world for generations to come. > Sold on the rhetoric of "protecting national security" and "bringing > peace to the Middle East," many US citizens are oblivious to the deeper > motivation underlying these military operations: to establish the US as an > uncontested superpower in a post-Cold War era (cf. current Deputy Defense > Secretary Paul Wolfowitz's 1992 Defense Planning Guidance). > > Protest > > On the domestic front, Bush has used the post-9-11 climate of fear, paranoia, > and nationalist frenzy to implement sweeping changes in civil rights. And as > military operations in the "War on Terrorism" increase, there is an increase > in public sentiment that critical discussion of the Bush administration is > "anti-American," "unpatriotic," and even "pro-terrorist." Likewise, > conservative and hawkish publications such as The New Criterion > (www.newcriterion.com) and The Weekly Standard (www.weeklystandard.com) would > shut down any critical discussion of the "War on Terrorism," citing anti-war > poems as "impolite," "muddled," "apocalyptic fantasy and adolescent mockery." > > > A.BACUS Special Issue > > Traditionally, A.BACUS has published single-author poetry manuscripts. > Although the journal is committed to poetry manuscripts through 2004, I feel > it is important to provide a forum for addressing some of the profound > geopolitical changes that have occurred since 9-11. Although anti-war poetry > is valuable in the critique of war, I am not interested in publishing > anti-war poems. At a time like this, I feel it is important for poets to > speak out not only as "poets" but as citizens. Therefore, I am soliciting > approximately 30 poets for prose statements that offer perspective on any of > the social, political, economic, and cultural issues raised by the "War on > Terrorism." These statements will be gathered together in a Special Issue of > A.BACUS, which will be published in April 2003. > As Howard Zinn has said, the problem isn't civil disobedience; the > problem is civil obedience. If these prose statements inspire even one > reader to question civil obedience toward the Bush administration's policies, > then some good will have been done. > There isn't a lot of time to put this together. If you would like to > participate, please send, by 1 April, up to 750 words as an email attachment > (Word document format), or in the body of an email, to SAFFO31@AOL.COM > If you have any questions, please feel free to email me. > > All best wishes, > > Dan Featherston > Editor, A.BACUS ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:26:52 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AERIALEDGE@AOL.COM Subject: New @ Bridge Street: Collected Raworth! Lee Ann Brown, All Poets Welcome, Enough, McCaffery, Waldrop, Wiener, &&& MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Really great list of books this time. Thanks for your support. Ordering and discount information at the end of this post. THE SLEEP THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING, Lee Ann Brown, Wesleyan, 175 pgs, $14.95. "An incremental desire is counted out / So I kiss closer and closely to your mouth / The No Blame Chaos Form complete" ROMANIAN POEMS, Paul Celan, trans Semilian and Agabaldi, Green Integer, 76 pgs, $10.95. "It's not easy . . ." YESTERDAYS, Robert Creeley, Chax, unpaginated saddle-stitched, $15. "I will sit here / till breeze, ambient, / enfolds me and I / lift away." MILLION POEMS JOURNAL, Jordan Davis, Faux, 92 pgs, $13.50. "Come on over. / We have a video / Of a bear/ Knocking down a house." Blue Hour, Carolyn Forche, HarperCollins, 73 pgs cloth (signed copies), $24.95. "where else would they have fallen? / where everything destroyed was left intact / where he looked / where the helicopters landed, lifting trees from the ground" THE FEMINIST AVANT-GARDE IN AMERICAN POETRY, Elizabeth A. Frost, Iowa, 245 p gs cloth, $24.95. Frost offers a historical and theoretical account of avant-garde women poets in America from the 1910s to the 1990s and asserts an alternative tradition to the predominantly male-dominated avant-garde movements. She argues that this alternative lineage distinguishes itself by its feminism and its ambivalence toward existing avant-garde projects; she also thoroughly explores feminst avant-garde poets' debts and contributions to their male counterparts. Chapters on Stein, Loy, Sanchez, S. Howe, and H. Mullen. V. IMP., Nada Gordon, Faux Press, 106 pgs, $13.50. "p.s. rise up and abandon the spurious contrivance" FORCES OF IMAGINATION: WRITING ON WRITING, Barbara Guest, Kelsey Strret, 108 pgs, $14. Includes "Poetry the True Fiction," "The Shadow of Surrealism," "H.D. and the Conflict of Imagism," "Walter Benjamin in a Museum," "An Inconsiderate Preface," "Splendor Falls," "Kant Sees," "The Desire for Sensationalism in Literary Culture," "Wounded Joy," and other writings. HAMBONE 16, ed Nathaniel Mackey, 217 pgs, $10. Taggart, N Cole, Gevirtz, McMorris, Ott, Frumkin, Joron, Willis, S Howe, Foss, P Gizzi, Nowak, Donahue, Irby, Mullen, &&&. THE NEW YORK SCHOOLS OF MUSIC AND THE VISUAL ARTS, ed Steven Johnson, Routledge, 258 pgs, $25.95. Examines the work of composers Varese, Cage, Feldman, Brown and Woolf and painters such as Pollock, de Kooning, Rothko, Newman, Kline, Guston, Baziotes, Johns, and Rauschenberg. Contributors include: D Nicholls, Mattis, Clarkson, D Bernstein, Delilo, Holzaepfel, and Bernard. ALL POETS WELCOME: THE LOWER EAST SIDE POETRY SCENE IN THE 1960S, Daniel Kane, U Cal, 305 pgs with CD, $27.50. Kane traces the history of this literary renaissance capturing the heady excitement of the vibrant, irreverent poetry scene of the Lower East Side drawing on personal interviews, unpublished letters, and rare sound recordings. He asserts that the significance of this loosely defined community lies in part in its reclaiming an orally centered poetic tradition, adapted to expand the possibilities for aesthetic daring, playful poetics and a politics of joy and resistance. The CD includes many of the authors discussed: Ashbery, Baraka, Berkson, Berrigan, Blackburn, Ceravelo, Coolidge, Ginsberg, Koch, Levertov, Mac Low, Mayer, Notley, O'Hara, Padgett, Waldman, Wieners, and others. UNDER THE SUN, Rachel Levitsky, Futurepoem, 81 pgs, $12. "If the book / on the table / has (the evidence of) a stain / is it not (caused by) the fault / in the Turtle" ENOUGH, ed Rick London & Leslie Scalapino, O Books, 158 pgs, $16. Begun following 9/11 at the start of the Afghan war, Enough is a collection of poets whose writings are interactive with the current time, writing as its matter and syntax not separate from oppressive conditions and war. Contributors include: Notley, Darwish, Muhawi, Joris, Myles, H Fuller, Mackey, Ferlinghetti, Toufic, A Davies, W Alexander, Hejinian, A Berrigan, Whalen, Hofer, Bernstein, Jarnot, Goldman, Darragh/Inman, Raworth, Nasrallah, Friedlander, Mullen, F Howe, Mac Low, & many others. FOUR FOR GLENN, Nathaniel Mackey, Chax, unpaginated saddle-stitched, $15. "What we rode was a book." SEVEN PAGES MISSING VOLUME TWO: REVIOUSLY UNCOLLECTED TEXTS 1968-2000. Steve McCaffery, Coach House, 381 pgs, $19.95. "death in spirals dismantling / thought into smaller / dissipative structures" WALTZING MATILDA, Alice Notley, Faux Press, 133 pgs, $13.50. "I talk to oceans, I enjoy myself" AGAINST WAR WITH IRAQ: AN ANTI-WAR PRIMER, Michael Ratner et. al., 7 Stories Press, $6.95. COLLECTED POEMS, Tom Raworth, Carcanet, 576 pgs (signed copies), $29.95. At last! Collects Raworth's work from _The Relation Ship_ (1966) through _Landscaping the Future_ (2000) and beyond. Robert Creeley: "Tom Raworth is a unique and abiding poet. An immaculate survivor with an ear like an angel's, he's made the most insistent and profound music of our daily lives for almost fifty years now. 'Great' is too small a word for what he has managed to get done." "snow is not snow / all our real names / roll up at the end" 9:45, Kit Robinson, Post-Apollo, 31 pgs, $10. "On sofa number two / leave the lights on all night / scare the raccoon" STUPIDITY, Avital Ronnell, Illinois, $19.95. New in paperback. THE LOBE, Lytle Shaw, Roof, 79 pgs, $11.95. "Is this cat working for you?" THIRD FACTORY, Viktor Shklovsky, afterword by Lyn Hejinian, Dalkey Archive, 105 pgs, $12.95. "Do we really know how a man ought to be processed?" ANTIFREEZE, Keston Sutherland, Barque Press, 122 pgs, $12. "saw the candour dwindle, softly / whispering upon a flame / wherein of these neither / abates through both weigh / one gnat and career / as it may see/ it flutter, swaying" PLATFORM, Rodrigo Toscano, Atelos, 231 pgs, $12.95. "All atomized mushroomy multitudes / to the great de-centered / re-centered / convergence?" TRIPWIRE 6: A JOURNAL OF POETICS, ed Morrison & Buuck, 160 pgs, $10. Includes a selection of new writing from Southern Africa, plus Elrick, Inman, Gilbert, Adnan, Mohammed, Nowak, Scalapino, Ward, Yepez, & others. LAVISH ABSENCE: RECALLING AND REREADING EDMOND JABES, Rosmarie Waldrop, $17.95. Wesleyan, 203 pgs, $ . A memoir, homage, explication, and meditation on translation. "Because life is a book that needs to be written at any moment." TRUE NEWS, Craig Watson, Instance Press, 80 pgs, $10. "Dear echo: shut up." PAGE, Hannah Wiener, Roof, 134 pgs, $12.95. "Three sections: PAGE (44 pages), ARTICLES (53 pages), SAME PAGE (19 pages). If you want to disorder them complete you obediently you stuck confident. So clear I didn't number in order. Be terrific." TURNERESQUE, Elizabeth Willis, Buring Deck, 95 pgs (signed copies), $10. "So loving love / we lack science / and in ourselves / touch up the little / teacher's picture" Some Bestsellers: SELECTED WRITINGS VOLUME 3, 1935-1938, Walter Benjamin, Harvard, 462 pgs cloth, $39.95. THE NO-NONSENSE GUIDE TO THE ARMS TRADE, Gideon Burrows, Verso, 141 pgs, $10. SCRATCH SIDES: POETRY, DOCUMENTATION and IMAGE-TEXT PROJECTS, Kristin Prevallet, Skanky Possom, 73 pgs, $10. ONE MORE SCORE: THE SECOND TWENTY YEARS OF BURNING DECK 1982-2002, ed Keith & Rosmarie Waldrop, Burning Deck, 240 pgs, $15. THE ESSENTIAL ACKER, selected writings, Kathy Acker, Grove, 335 pgs, $15. YOUR ANCIENT SEE THROUGH, Subpress, Hoa Nguyen, 111 pgs, $12. NEW GOOSE, Lorine Niedecker, Rumor Books, 98 pgs, $10. THE NEW WAR ON TERRORISM: FACT & FICTION, Noam Chomsky, audio CD, $14.98. TELLING IT SLANT: AVANT-GARDE POETICS OF THE NINETIES, ed. Mark Wallace and Steven Marks, U Alabama, 446 pgs, $29.95. SLOWLY, Lyn Hejinian, Tuumba, 43 pgs, $10. AFTER SCHOOL SESSION, Brett Evans, Buck Downs Books/Subpress, 74 pgs, $14.95. THE CRAVE, Kit Robinson, Atelos, 120 pgs, $12.95. CHINESE WHISPERS, John Ashbery, FSG, 100 pgs cloth, $22. COLLECTED WORKS, Lorine Niedecker, ed Jenny Penberthy, U Cal, 471 pgs, cloth, $45.00. GUY DEBORD AND THE SITUATIONIST INTERNATIONAL, ed Tom McDonough, October/MIT, 492 pgs cloth, $44.95. THE WORLD IN ITS TIME AND SPACE: TOWARDS A HISTORY OF INNOVATIVE POETRY IN OUR TIME, edited by Edward Foster & Joseph Donahue, Talisman House, 740 pgs, $25.95. THIS COMPOST: ECOLOGICAL IMPERATIVES IN AMERICAN POETRY, Jed Rasula, U Georgia, 257 pgs cloth, $39.95. NEW COLLECTED POEMS, George Oppen, ed Michael Davidson, Preface by Eliot Weinberger, New Directions, cloth 433 pgs, $37.95. C.C., Tyrone Williams, Krupskaya, 95 pgs, $11. SUGAR PILL, Drew Gardner, Krupskaya, $11. ANTHEM, Jean Donnelly, Sun & Moon, 124 pgs, $11.95. CULTURE, Daniel Davidson, Krupkaya, $11. 'PATAPHYSICS: THE POETICS OF AN IMAGINARY SCIENCE, Christian Bok, Northwestern, 133 pgs, $22.95. ECONOMICS, Stories by Fannie Howe, Flood Editions, $14. METROPOLIS 16-29, Robert Fitterman, Coach House, 124 pgs, $16.95. MINIATURES, Barbara Guest, Wesleyan, 45 pgs, $12.95. A CONVERSATION WITH DAVID ANTIN, David Antin & Charles Bernstein, Granary, $12.95. FIN AMOR, Peter Gizzi, toucher disguises, unpaginated letterpress, $10. THE EUROPE OF TRUSTS, Susan Howe, New Directions, 218 pgs, $16.95. WINTER SEX, Katy Lederer, Verse Press, 59 pgs, $12. READINGS IN RUSSIAN POETICS: FORMALIST & STRUCTURALIST VIEWS, ed Ladislav Matejka and Krystyna Pomorska, intro Gerald L. Bruns, Dalkey Archive, $17.95. BK OF (H)RS, Pattie McCarthy, Apogee Press, 59 pgs, $12.95. THE DISPARITIES, Rodrigo Toscano, Green Integer, 100 pgs, $9.95. DOVECOTE, Heather Fuller, Edge, 90 pgs, $10. CECI N'EST PAS KEITH CECI N'EST PAS ROSMARIE, Keith & Rosmarie Waldrop, Burning Deck, 93 pgs, $10.00. ORDERING INFORMATION: List members receive free shipping on orders of more than $20. Free shipping + 10% discount on orders of more than $30. There are two ways to order: 1. E-mail your order to aerialedge@aol.com with your address & we will bill you with the books. or 2. via credit card-- you may call us at 202 965 5200 or e-mail aerialedge@aol.com w/ yr add, order, card #, & expiration date & we will send a receipt with the books. Pease remember to include expiration date. We must charge shipping for orders out of the US. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:32:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Hate America! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hate America! If you think I hate America, I hate America! I hate America but I will not leave America! If you think I'm anti-American, I'm anti-American! I am anti-American but I will not leave America! Its citizens are denied health care! Its citizens are dying alone and in poverty! Its citizens are denied decent education! Racism is rampant in America! America is a war-mongering fundamentalist country! America is a most violent country! America is leading the planet to World War III! America thinks there are winners and losers! America thinks freedom is American freedom! America thinks liberty is American liberty! America thinks commerce is American commerce! America thinks love it or leave it! America thinks force is always the answer! America thinks the world is American! America hates anyone who disagrees! America is economically bloated! America pollutes! America ignores international treaties! America ignores humanity! Hate hate hate hate hate! Hate hate hate hate hate! Hate hate hate hate hate! Hate hate hate hate hate! Hate hate hate hate hate! I hate America but I will remain in America! === ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:40:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Transgressive Literary Trio In-Reply-To: <39F5154B-618A-11D7-9F27-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable San Francisco Public Library 9 April, Wednesday *Transgressive Literary Trio =96 Authors Red Jordan Arobateau, Gwendolyn=20= Bikis and kari edwards read=A0 from their new works. Main Library, Lower Level, Latino/Hispanic Community Meeting Room, 6:00=20= p.m., 100 Larkin Street (at Grove)=20= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:48:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Poetry and the Inter-arts In-Reply-To: <39F5154B-618A-11D7-9F27-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Poetry and the Inter-arts April 18-19, 2003. University of California, Santa Cruz:=A0 Porter College Schedule Friday, April 18:=A0 Prose/poetry 4-6:=A0 Panel discussion on "Poetry and The New Narrative" and "Poet's=20= Theater": Robert Gluck, Camille Roy, kari edwards, Dodie Bellamy, Kevin Killian. Location: Porter College, Fireside Lounge 6-7:30: Dinner for poets + viewing of Konrad Steiner's film, Way,=A0 based on Leslie Scalapino's poem of the same name. Location:=A0 Porter College, Fireside Lounge 8:00-9:30:=A0 Reading:=A0 Robert Gluck, Camille Roy, Dodie Bellamy, kari=20= edwards Location:=A0 Porter College, Dining Room 10:00:=A0 Drinks and dessert Location: Pearl Alley, downtown and upstairs from the queer dance bar,=20= The Dakota. Saturday, April 19:=A0 Performance/poetry 4:30-6:00:=A0 Transcontinental Poetry Reading:=A0 a telecast live = reading=20 dedicated to Kenneth Koch: David Antin, Andrei Codrescu, Maria Damon,=20 Kenward Elmslie, Forest Gander, Roxi Hamilton, Anselm Hollo, Lisa=20 Jarnot, Ron Padgett, Keith Taylor, Anne Waldman, Location:=A0 Porter College, Dining Room 6:30:=A0 Reception.=A0 Food and film before "Poet's Theater."=A0 Eat and=20= mingle on the patio overlooking the ocean.=A0 Buy authors' books and = have=20 them signed.=A0 Wander into the Fireside Lounge next door and watch the=20= films Way,=A0 a film of Leslie Scalapino's poem by the same name, and Cocteau Cento , a film drawing on the work of=20 Jean Cocteau. 7:30-9:=A0 Poet's Theater:=A0 productions by Kevin Killian, Dhaia Tribe,=20= and others. Location:=A0 Porter College, Dining Room ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:46:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: History as BTW ;and "I loved my kind wildly that day." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain so language is born it's nothing and born bloody: and from Andre Frenaud: Nous arriverons trop tard, le massacre est commence, les innocents sont couches dans l'herbe. and from Rene Char: Leaves of Hypnos No. 128 (transl. Cid Corman) The baker hadn't yet unfastened the iron shutters of his shop when the village was besieged, gagged, hypnotized, completely brought to a standstill. Two companies of SS and a detachment of militia held it under the muzzle of their machineguns and mortars. Then began the ordeal. The inhabitants were tossed out of their houses and summoned to assemble in the central square. Keys in the doors. An old man, hard of hearing, who didn't respond to the order quickly enough, saw the four walls and roof of his barn blown to pieces by a bomb. Since four o'clock I'd been alerted. Marcelle had come to my shutter to whisper the word to me. I'd realized immediately the uselessness of trying to get past the cordon of surveillance and out into the countryside. I quickly changed lodgings. The uninhabited house where I took refuge allowed, in the last extremity, an effective armed resistance. I could follow from the window, behind the yellowed curtains, the nervous comings and goings of the occupying forces. Not one of my men was in the village. That thought reassured me. Some kilometers away, they would follow my instructions and remain under cover. Blows reached me, punctuated by curses. The SS had surprised a young mason who was coming back from retrieving some traps. His fright set him up for their tortures. A voice bent over the swollen body shouting: "Where is he? Show us," followed by silence. And kicks and riflebutts raining. An insensate rage possessed me, chased my anguish away. My hands communicated to my gun their clenched sweat, exalted its contained power. I calculated that the poor devil would hold his tongue for five minutes yet, the, inevitably, he *would talk.* I was ashamed to wish him dead before this happened. Then there appeared rushing from each street a flood of women, children, old men, going to the place of assembly, according to a *concerted plan.* They hurried without haste, literally streaming over the SS, paralyzing them "in all good faith." The mason was left for dead. Furious, the patrol ploughed its way through the crowd and made further off. With an infinite prudence now, some anxious kindly eyes looked in my direction, passed like a flashing lamp on my window. I half revealed myself and a smile broke from my pallor. I held to these people by a thousand confident threads of which not one could break. I loved my kind wildly that day, well beyond sacrifice. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:24:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: netartreview MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.netartreview.net/ ===lately, i've started writing some very short reviews of net works for this site, which i suggest as an excellent resource for anyone interested in net art.... bliss l http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html furtherfield: http://www.furtherfield.org/home.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:34:36 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: Embedded Reporter MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Away from the list for a few days, missed 'embedded reporter' thread while it was red hot. But I'd written this--war breeds synchronicities--so thought I'd send it. P.S. another big 'thumbs down' on the NPR Fanfare For A War: concerned, informed, brainily rah-rah, tepid. The aural equivalent of Tiger's Nike swoosh. EMBEDDED REPORTER Embedded reporter got Mafia warning – Dead fish with rose in mouth. Tight lips on your standard camera bearer—if they burn a thatched hut it won’t be next to a reporter!! Variables can be embedded (access, pressure). Intelligence technology’s embattled tentacles use existing infrastructure – inductive loops ::.already embedded.:: & ‘media enbeds’ installed in different network segments: ‘kill the report, not the reporter’ Washington whispers to vipers--- under its wings for an upcoming war, they want the "terminal ID" numbers of every embedded reporter's satellite phone. Why’s that? Why risk a high profile journal? NBC, meet ROBOSCRIBE … Dissatisfied with your search results? Proven ease of color touch, stirring rocktronic theme and dissolving logo swooshes across the reality front “... If we utilize this competitive advantage thing, reality never sets” in truth I was due to be "embedded" on the green screen, there and there ... --Rodney Koeneke ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:44:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: War = Language In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20030329201126.01a77c08@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Good 'talk', Barry. You and Carla are most kind with Jim B. Keeping the discourse up and not getting pulled into what seem his now predictable "decap popa" routines. Stephen V on 3/29/03 5:13 PM, Barrett Watten at b.watten@WAYNE.EDU wrote: > Brian Kim Stefans posted to Circulars a piece I presented, titled "War = > Language," at a "Day of Reflection on the War in Iraq" at Wayne State on > March 26. The link is: > > www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000417.html > > and a pdf version can be found on my website: > > www.english.wayne.edu/~watten > > Barrett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:55:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Woops: Re: War = Language In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry, this was intended for Barry W. only. The "discourse" (a good one) - a back and forth including Jim Berhle and Carla Harryman takes place on "Circulars" - and not here. Stephen V on 3/30/03 12:44 PM, Stephen Vincent at steph484@PACBELL.NET wrote: > Good 'talk', Barry. You and Carla are most kind with Jim B. > Keeping the discourse up and not getting pulled into what seem his now > predictable "decap popa" routines. > > Stephen V > > > on 3/29/03 5:13 PM, Barrett Watten at b.watten@WAYNE.EDU wrote: > >> Brian Kim Stefans posted to Circulars a piece I presented, titled "War = >> Language," at a "Day of Reflection on the War in Iraq" at Wayne State on >> March 26. The link is: >> >> www.arras.net/circulars/archives/000417.html >> >> and a pdf version can be found on my website: >> >> www.english.wayne.edu/~watten >> >> Barrett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:55:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anastasios Kozaitis Subject: "We're down to the last outhouse" Comments: To: POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed from An Ocean of Terror chapter On 23 May 2000, the British defence minister Geoff Hoon, questioned in the House of Commons about the pattern of Anglo-Ameircan attacks on Iraq replied: "Between 1 Aug 1992 and 16 Dec 1998, UK aircraft released 2.5 tons of ordnance over the southern no-fly zone at an average of 0.025 tons per month. We do not have sufficiently detailed records of coalition activity in this period to estimate what percentage of the coalition total this represents. Between 20 Dec 1998 and 17 May 2000, UK aircraft released 78 tons of ordnance over the southern no-fly zone, at an average of 5 tons per month. This figure represents approximately 20 percent of the coalition total for this period. [Hansard, 24 May 2000]" In other words, over a period of 18 months the US and UK had rained down some 400 tons of bombs and missiles on Iraq. Tony Blair had been dropping deadly explosives on the country at a rate 20 times greater than his Conservative predecessor, John Major. What explains this escalation? Its immediate origins are no mystery. On 16 Dec 1998 Clinton, on the eve of a vote indicting him for perjury and obstruction of justice in the House of Representatives, unleased a round-the-clock aerial assault on Iraq, ostensibly to punish the regime in Baghdad for failure to cooperate with UN inspectors, in fact to help deflect impeachment. Operation Desert Fox, fittingly named after a Nazi general, ran for 70 hours, blasting a 100 targets. Thereafter, far from dying down, the firestorm continued. In August 1999 the New York Times reported: "American warplanes have methodically and with virtually no public discussion been attacking Iraq. In the last eight months, American and British pilots have fired more than 1,100 missiles against 359 targets in Iraq. This is triple the number of targets attacked in four furious days of strikes in December . . . By another measure, pilots have flown about two-thirds as many missions as NATO pilots flew over Yugoslavia in seventy-eight days of around-the-clock war there. [NYT, 13 Aug 1999] In October 1999 American officials were telling the Wall Street Journal they would soon be running out of targets -- 'We're down to the last outhouse.' By the end of the year, the Anglo-American air forces had flown more than 6,000 sorties, and dropped over 1,800 bombs on Iraq. By early 2001 the bombardment of Iraq had lasted longer than the US invasion in Vietnam. A decade of assault from the air has yet been the lesser part of the purgatory inflicted on Iraq. Blockade by land and sea has caused still greater suffering. Economic sanctions have drive a population whose levels of nutrition, schooling and public services were once well above regional standards into fathomless misery. Before 1990 the country had a per capita GNP of over $3,000. Today it is under $500, making Iraq one of the poorest societies on Earth. [Peter Pallet, The Seige of Iraq, p. 155] A land that once had high levels of literacy and an advanced system of of health-care has been devastated by the West. Its social structure is in ruins, its people are denied the basic necessities of existence, its soil is polluted by uranium-tipped warheads. According to UN figures of 2001, some 60 percent of the population have no regular access to clean water, and over 80 percent of schools need substantial repairs. In 1997 the FAO reckoned that 27 percent of Iraqis suffering from chronic malnutrition, and 70 percent of all women were anemic. UNICEF reports that in the southern and central regions which contain 85 percent of the country's population, infant mortality has doubled compared to the pre-Gulf War period. [UN Rpt on the Current Humanitarian Situation in Iraq, March 1999] ....and it goes on from THE CLASH OF FUNDAMENTALISMS, by Tariq Ali [Verso, 2002] pp 144-145 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:41:22 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press THE COALITION OF THE UNWILLING IS IMMENSE! U.S. Poll That Demands Spelling of Key Terms Shows 98% Queried Are Against the War: When Spelling Requirement Dropped 75% In Favor Of War By DIOGENES SINOPE The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:49:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Orientalism.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Today's Islamic Jihad Palestine Homicide bomber was a "heroic"...quote unquote" gift for the Iraqui people"...desconstruct cette.. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:16:27 -0500 Reply-To: gmcvay@patriot.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Orientalism.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Harry Nudel wrote: > > Today's Islamic Jihad Palestine Homicide > bomber was a "heroic"...quote unquote" gift > for the Iraqui people"...desconstruct cette.. Duh! What's to deconstruct? It just means whatever asshole said this is trying to piss off USAmericans... and evidently working. Why do you let them *get* to you? That's their psy-ops victory. Gwyn -- "We should all heed the universal call to like your neighbor just like you like to be liked yourself." -- George W. Bush, quoted in the Financial Times, January 14, 2000 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:01:20 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 253 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck sh%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%ck aw(ful), awe(some), awe(struck), awe(inspiring) s(awe)d-off shotgun, cl(awe)d, fl(awe)d, dr(awe)r se(awe)ed, sul(awe)si, outl(awe)d, over(awe)d, withdraw, claw, draw, jaw, chest of drawers PEACE exploding memes tongues of mass destruction JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:12:23 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 253 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear John I like the aberration of your form in the last line with "se(awe)ed." Or isn't it an aberration? Bet Harriet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:18:31 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Echoes of history Comments: To: Britpo , Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My own feelings, and even thoughts, run along something like these lines: I noticed tonight a demo in Indonesia that claimed Britain, the US and Australia were the 'enemy'. I pondered this and reflected that, although the US is now the primary power, what is happening now, at least in some respects, is an acting out of the former British Empire. Although that might seem strange Victorian Britain was the place where the first global economy was generated. Its former colony, the dear US, which was busy having a civil war, was identified as the future source of world power by people like De Quincey, he forecast that English would become the world's lingua franca. Its not I think a matter of consciously articulated intentions, in the most part, but rather patterns that have been laid down by history of which we need to free ourselves. I'd echo here, in a different sense, Joyce's words for Stephen: 'History is the nightmare from which I'm trying to awake'. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:20:11 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Safdie Joseph Subject: Re: what poets/poetry can do: history as BTW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Gloria Frym recently suggested that Benjamin was worth re-reading at this moment. I'd like to suggest that the first essay to reread might be his last published work, "Theses on the Philosophy of History." Needless (?) to say, I've just done it . . . and found material *extremely* relevant to some respondents on this list and to the provocative exchange which has been developing on "Circulars" these last few days. In relation to the current language of war, check these quotes out . . . from section VI . . . "Historical materialism [which practice Benjamin supports, as opposed to "historicism"] wishes to retain that image of the past which unexpectedly appears to man [sic] singled out by history at a moment of danger. The danger affects both the content of the tradition and its receivers. The same threat hangs over both: that of becoming a tool of the ruling classes. In every era the attempt must be made anew to wrest tradition away from a comformism that is about to overpower it. . . . Only that historian will have the gift of fanning the spark of hope in the past who is firmly convinced that *even the dead* will not be safe from the enemy if he wins. And this enemy has not ceased to be victorious." and the classic angel passage from section IX . . . "This is how one pictures the angel of history. His face is turned toward the past. Where we perceive a chain of events, he sees one single catastrophe which keeps piling wreckage upon wreckage and hurls it in front of his feet. The angel would like to stay, awaken the dead, and make whole what has been smashed. But a storm is blowing from Paradise; it has got caught in his wings with such violence that the angel can no longer close them. This storm irresistably propels him into the future to which his back is turned, while the pile of debris before him goes skyward. This storm is what we call progress." Or as I wrote in my journal last night, rather more clumsily . . . PATRIARCHAL SONNET its first deep attack from deep inside Iraq "it was pretty spectacular" that first deep attack "what was it like from the cockpit?" hard and fast conclusions a Western lifestyle mall embedded deep inside Iraq we're going to teach them a lesson an intense night of bombing "as when a broadcast, tightly controlled by conquering censors, begins transmission . . ." "Fuck Iraq" Joe Safdie P.S. to Gloria: I don't think I've ever asked you, but have you had to endure many bad Van Morrison jokes? -----Original Message----- From: Gloria Frym To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: 3/29/03 11:50 AM Subject: Re: what poets/poetry can do: history as BTW Benjamin, as you point out, is worth rereading at this moment. He could have seen it coming, and since he is an angel perhaps sees it and weeps. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 19:23:38 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Znine: Call for Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Send no more than 3 poems, 2 pieces of short fiction and/or creative non-fiction, along with a short bio to Znine: znine@uta.edu Znine is the online literary journal of the English Department at the University of Texas at Arlington. Current deadline: April 1. Contact me if you have questions. Chris cmurray@uta.edu yaomingsmeow@netscape.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:45:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: disgusting navy scan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few questions about the alleged photograph: Who took the photo and who obtained it? What exactly does the photo depict? When was it taken? Where was it taken? Why is the image so grainy? Sincerely, Brennen Lukas > > From: Gabriel Gudding > Date: 2003/03/30 Sun AM 04:04:30 EST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: disgusting navy scan > > This scan speaks volumes -- and someone in the Navy tells me this is common > practice, it's not been photoshopped: > http://www.einswine.com/atrocities/iraq/firaq.jpg > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:33:47 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: Hate America! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit eggs salad alan !!!! Sheila O'Neill Massoni ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:15:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: looking for readings venues next fall In-Reply-To: <69.369e094b.2bb9111b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all I have a new book of poetry ("iduna") coming out this fall, 2003 =20 (around oct.) on O Books and I am trying to arrange some reading =20 throughout the country. I do not hesitate to say I will read, give =20 lectures or workshops for an economical rate. Below is a description of "iduna." if you would like more information I =20= have included some sites below where you can check out a recent =20 interview at Rain Taxi =20 (http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/edwards.shtml), an essay at =20= Narrativity =20 (http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.html) and some =20= works scattered about. I have given lecture and workshop on =20 experimental poetry, queer writing, and narrativity. if you have any =20 questions please feel free to contact me. kari edwards 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco, CA, 94110 415-647-6981 terra1@sonic.net _________________ "iduna" brings poetic awareness to the form =93book=94 and demolishes = the =20 Nietzscheian god with its disruption of grammar and syntax. "iduna," =20 like gender performativity, is a multiplicity of shifting and =20 overlapping texts identities and locations. half human, half computer, =20= "iduna" is spiritual syncope of form and content. "iduna" is manifesto =20= patterns and a cut and paste pastiche of the begining of the 21 =20 century. "iduna" is a book that begs for the reader to be embodied =20 when engaging with it. "iduna" is a dream. _________________ NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life of p. From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com ________________________________ kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New =20 Langton Art=92s Bay Area Award in literature(2002), author of a day in =20= the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a diary of lies - =20 Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), Electric Spandex: anthology =20= of writing the queer text, Pyriform Press (2002), obLiqUE paRt(itON): =20= colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet Press =20 (2000). sie is also the poetry editor I.F.G.E=92s Transgender - = Tapestry: =20 a International Publication on Transgender issues. hir work has been =20 exhibited throughout the united states, including denver art museum, =20 new orleans contemporary art museum, university of california-san =20 diego, and university of massachusetts - amherst. edwards=92 work can =20= also be found in Blood and Tears: an anthology on Matthew Shepard, =20 Painted leaf Press (2000), Aufgabe, Fracture, Bombay Gin, Belight =20 Fiction, In Posse, Mirage/Period(ical), Van Gogh=92s Ear, PuppyFlower, =20= Vert, 88: A Journal of Contemporary American Poetry, Narrativity, =20 Shampoo, xStream, Big Bridge, Nerve Lantern, Magazine Cypress, AUGHT, =20= Word/For Word, Atomicpetals, FIR at potz.com, muse-apprentice-guild, =20 Pindeldyboz, BlazeVox 2k3, 5 Trope, and Panic, Avoid Strange Men, Bird =20= Dog Magizine, RealPoetik, Blazevox 2k3, Raised in a Barn and The =20 International Journal of Sexuality and Gender Studies. ________________________________ Also check out: http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/issueseven.html http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/=20 literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://canwehaveourballback.com/12index.htm http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm http://poetz.com/fir/feb02.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:02:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the two nervous hands of god MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the two nervous hands of god she touched him, cleaning her hands before and after; her womb a source of pollution, his member likewise - in the twilight, these bodies of disease, ill at ease, suppuration - of one above, of one below, of two, the one above, below, the one below, above, of wuda, minor ablutions - of ghusl, major ablutions - touching or intercourse, of two, of one asunder - "Then he [the Prophet] made the end [of his words] correspond to the be- ginning in feminine gender, while he placed the masculine between the two. For he began with 'women' and he ended with 'prayer,' and both words are feminine. Perfume stands between the two, just as the masculine stands between two feminines in existence. For the man is placed between an Essence from which he becomes manifest and a woman who becomes manifest from him. Hence he is between two feminines: the feminine gender of the Essence and the real femininity of the woman. In a similar way, 'women' is a real feminine, while 'prayer' is an unreal feminine. Between the two, 'perfume' is like Adam between the Essence from which he comes into existence, and Eve, who comes into existence from him." (Ibn al-'Arabi, in Sachiko Murata, The Tao of Islam, A Sourcebook on Gender Relationships in Islamic Thought.) " & i will remain awake - i will remain awake - forever & forever - my eyes remain & witness the rain from heaven - the dark rain from darker heaven - my darker eyes - my darker eyes - " " & i will record everything as i am a fallen angel - & i will play back every reeling & unreeling - & they will worry down & down among the fallen angels - & the two nervous hands of god the two nervous hands of god closing & opening closing & opening " === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:55:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: what CAN poets do? MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Showdown on IRAQ Drones of Doom with a view on Booming THUNderously THREATENing [you can check out our interactive videos and slide shows at............ ] Langer - "Yet the Times [October, 1862] reporter cannot resist the melodrama that mere words supply (the 'dripping bodies' ready for 'the gaping trenches'), while reprehending the intolerable realism of the image." and who will get that knock at the door? and WHO will get that knock at the door? and who will get that KNOCK at the door? and who will GET that knock at the door? ourbraveist@wsmv.com 'and include with the picture a short note on why you think they are our bravest' Baroque to rococo grotesque Tar- get Iraq Drones of Doom with a view on Booming THUNderously THREATENing AND who? and this found poem just in: "The real thing may not be fearsome enough, and therefore needs to be enhanced; or reenacted more con- vincingly. Thus. the first newsreel ever made of a battle -- a much-publicized incident in Cuba during the Spanisj- American War of 1898 known as the Battle of San Juan Hill -- in fact shows a charge staged shortly afterward by Colonel Theodore Roosevel and his volunteer cavalry unit, the Rough Riders, for the Vitagraph cameramen, the actual charge up the hill, after it was filmed, having been judged insufficiently dramatic." - S. Langer. tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:11:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tombell Subject: Re: Call for subs, eratio postmodern poetry. MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I've been working on a series of 'poems' like those enclosed at the end here as I take in the 'war' on TV and read Langer's new book. Would you have an interest in some of them? Showdown on IRAQ Drones of Doom with a view on Booming THUNderously THREATENing [you can check out our interactive videos and slide shows at............ ] Langer - "Yet the Times [October, 1862] reporter cannot resist the melodrama that mere words supply (the 'dripping bodies' ready for 'the gaping trenches'), while reprehending the intolerable realism of the image." and who will get that knock at the door? and WHO will get that knock at the door? and who will get that KNOCK at the door? and who will GET that knock at the door? ourbraveist@wsmv.com 'and include with the picture a short note on why you think they are our bravest' Baroque to rococo grotesque Tar- get Iraq Drones of Doom with a view on Booming THUNderously THREATENing AND who? and this found poem "The real thing may not be fearsome enough, and therefore needs to be enhanced; or reenacted more con- vincingly. Thus. the first newsreel ever made of a battle -- a much-publicized incident in Cuba during the Spanisj- American War of 1898 known as the Battle of San Juan Hill -- in fact shows a charge staged shortly afterward by Colonel Theodore Roosevel and his volunteer cavalry unit, the Rough Riders, for the Vitagraph cameramen, the actual charge up the hill, after it was filmed, having been judged insufficiently dramatic." - S. Langer. and this: Underscore the Brutality of the Regime On the talkshow circuit is somebofy to blame "Perhaps the only people with the right to look at images of suffering of this extreme or- der are those who could do something to alleviate it....." WHAT IS BEING ASKED OF ME? "...The rest of us are voyeurs, whether or not we meant to be...... The ghoulish cruelties in _The isasters of War_ are meant to awakenm shockm wound the viewer. Goya's art, like Dostoyevsky's, seem a turnin poit in the history of moral feelings and of sorrow - as deep, as original, as de- manding. With Goya, a new standard for responsiveness to sufferingm enters art.... While the image, like every image, is an invitation to look, the caption, more often than not, insists on the difficulty of doing just that. A voice badgers the viewer: can you bear to look at this?. _Esto es malo_. _Esto es peor_. Why? _Por que_?" - Langer [Assan Akbar smiles from under a blue commencement mortar] music upbeats and strenghtens under the news inexorably crawls across under all save the ads which are underscored by their 800 or e.com banners ?underbanners? Baghdad enjoys the most ferocious bombing yet as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM marches on Thomas Bell is a psychologist in private practice in Murfreesboro, TN. he is also a widely published poet. tom bell not yet a crazy old man ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 01:56:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: Desert City Poetry Series w/ Carl Martin Comments: To: Ken Rumble In-Reply-To: <20030326205030.GQAK13854.imf38bis.bellsouth.net@[65.81.120.86]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey, just chiming in - if you're even remotely within driving distance, go hear Carl Martin read! He's outta sight. -m. Quoting Ken Rumble : > Please spread far and wide..... > > Who: Carl Martin, architect of vocabulary, Winston-Salem native, author of > _Genii Over Salzburg_ and _Go Your Stations, Girl_ > > What: Desert City Poetry Series -- always fashionable, never sleeping > > When: Sunday, March 30th, 8pm, 2003 > > Where: PS211, Winston-Salem, NC -- 211 E. Third St. down downtown -- > Business 40 to N. 52, take the 3rd, 4th, 5th Streets exit. Left at the > light. PS211 is on the right at the corner of 3rd and Patterson -- wrong > side of the tracks. > > Why: "I know they feed they lion who buzzes like a harrier / Flapping its > wings." > > See you there...... > > to PS211: http://ps211.org/directions.html > about PS211: http://ps211.org/start.html > about Carl Martin: > http://www.centerforbookculture.org/dalkey/backlist/martin.html > > > > "The Prescription Drug Challenge" > by Carl Martin > > It was while popping members of the "triptan" family > That I began dreaming of the South African killer bee. > Trapped inside a diamond shaped molecule its sticky, yellow venom > Slides inside its slick confinement like wind sliding > Through the furry cuffs of the pussy willow. > This bee is a good swimmer, but not a great swimmer > Though its talent has been honed bouncing through the waves > The spray and loneliness of the South Coast. > I know deep in the knobby, long distance knees of the soul > That it has not spread all the pollen that I would like to spread with it. > Somehow, in my wise inclinations I fear that this is a truly American > "Stinger," a short spanned hum-vee of the wild Florida grasses > Plowing through the airs and porches like a long-legged advert > In ways that Maeterlinck could never have imagined, > Not even poetically, "just as Deborah, whose name means Bee" > Judged Israel--in a story I may not actually have read. > This is the way the blind see, even in Miami. Jehovah forgive us > And excise from the brain: the flesh, the hubbub, and the rub > For sometimes through the digital transference that is all we see > Though the light is blinding. > And the contest never as numbing as we would like. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 03:19:48 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Invasion Casualty Photographs Banned in USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/VICS.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 06:21:49 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: Call for subs, eratio postmodern poetry. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sure thing tom my students will read whatever i tell them to (just like Dennis o'neill would eat anything his wife cooked or at least that's what his wife told her mother in law Anastasia keating oneill in Belleville NJ circa late 1880 ies) as they do want their A's veni vidi vici i came i paid my tuition i get my a or one hand does not wash the other at evaluation time smassoni@aol.com Sheila o'neill mason ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:00:55 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: On Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are what you blog Peter O=92Leary on Ronald Johnson=92s Radi Os The Blank Generation: Poetry, politics=20 & the bombing of Baghdad The Berkeley Poetry Conference of 1965 Jack Spicer on Poetry & Politics As if Ashbery wrote quickly & without much revision Notley-Berrigan Family Values What Naomi Replansky & Kenneth Rexroth have in common with=20 W.S. Merwin & Archibald MacLeish =96 the lesson of half a century A political poem from the NY School: David Shapiro=92s =93A Man Holding an Acoustic Panel=94 Lourdes V=E1zquez=92 Park Slope Evergreen Review=92s =93San Francisco Scene=94 -- the view from 1957 Sick at heart at the thug state Paul Goodman & the New American Poetry: Michael Magee=92s theory of Personism as Pragmatism meets black culture (+ a view from the Berkeley Poetry Conference of =9265) Kenneth Irby=92s dream of Dorn & death http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 04:20:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: The Best Part of Classical Conditioning is Salivating When I Hear Your Name Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cupcake kaleidoscope , Renee , rhizome , thingist , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dawn wads up some crepescular negritude, like finding John Brown's body bruised back into the hollows of your dreams. He'll just give you Mingus' number; porkpie hat cocked soddenly cheerful in the surprise snow of March passing. Out on the white house lawn, Dawn sheds her dress in flirty ripples of prodigal light. Aime Cesaire and Georges Braque count the spirals on a notebook of misplaced real estate, where misplaced people fight an invasion of strip malls. They'll always win, just won't notice it. You lie back in your leopardskin pillbox chair, dawn nodding out on morning's solipsistic shoulder, and let me calculate through your veins these seconds before water slaps us in the eyes to wake us up. 2003/03/31 07:04:19 ===== http://www.lewislacook.com/ net art review: http://www.netartreview.net/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html furtherfield: http://www.furtherfield.org/home.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:06:26 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JFK Subject: CUT UPS & DAYDREAMS 252 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INSERT DAYDREAM <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ||||||| ||||| |||||||||| ||||||| ||||| |||||||||| ||||||| ||||| |||||||||| ||||||| ||||| |||||||||| .................................. : /\ /\ /\ : : /\ /\ : : /\ : :................................: PEACE JFK www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:48:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Invasion Casualty Photographs Banned in USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit USATODAY.com featured the image of the girl with a wounded eye on its home page Saturday. On Friday, USA TODAY ran a picture of two dead Iraqi soldiers on the cover of its print edition. > > From: Aaron Vidaver > Date: 2003/03/31 Mon AM 06:19:48 EST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Invasion Casualty Photographs Banned in USA > > http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/VICS.htm > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:53:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: US pilots are child killers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit U.S. poets are language killers > > From: Gabriel Gudding > Date: 2003/03/30 Sun AM 06:20:26 EST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: US pilots are child killers > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/29/1048653903996.html > > Gruesome toll grows as army grinds to a halt > By Paul McGeough > March 30 2003 > The Sun-Herald Lucky... [PHOTOGRAPH: Saja Jaafar, 3, lies in a Baghdad > hospital after surviving the bombing of the al-Naser market in the Shuwaila > district. Photo: AFP ] > Silver stars and red tracer fire lit the sky as the Al Shualla people > washed their dead - as many as 58 of them were slaughtered when a bomb > exploded in their little marketplace. > Some carried blanket-draped coffins through darkened alleyways, others > strapped them to the roofs of battered cars. > But from all houses the same teary cries drifted into the chilly night: > "There is no god but God." > As each family group left the > mosque, the men faced Mecca in prayer and the lights of passing cars etched > the outline of their women, standing in tight knots off to the side. > Iraqi officials insist this bomb, the second in 48 hours to hit a civilian > market, was dropped by a US or British jet. The Americans are > investigating; they say they don't know. > But the suffering and the grief radiating from a small crater in this > impoverished Shi'ite neighbourhood in Baghdad will make it harder for > ordinary Iraqis to see the US-led invasion force as an army of liberation, > rather than one of conquest. > At the Al-Noor Hospital, 500metres from the marketplace in north-west > Baghdad, tearful men held each other in their arms as distraught women > yelled the names of the dead. > A man, sobbing with grief, called over and over: "That man! That man!" > Relatives said he was referring to President George Bush, who, in > Washington, appeared to be warning of more setbacks before victory in > saying: "We are now fighting the most desperate units of the dictator's > army. The fierce fighting under way will demand further courage and further > sacrifice, yet we know the outcome of this battle." > In the face of stiff resistance and severe front-line problems - security > and logistic - US commanders have now decided on a pause of up to six days > in their advance on Baghdad. > The Al Shualla carnage came on a day in which the US seemed to put aside > its undertaking not to damage Iraq's infrastructure: waves of strikes, > including the first confirmed use of 4700-pound (2100 kilogram) > bunker-buster bombs, destroyed much of Baghdad's telephone system. > In Al Shualla, at 6.30pm, people were busy in the market. Ghannun Hussein > was waiting for his 59-year-old father with the vegetables for their > evening meal when he heard the whoosh of a missile. > Standing by his father's hospital bed later, he said: "I heard the > explosion. I ran. All the people were on the ground; people's arms and legs > were cut off, there was too much blood." > Najin Abdula, who works at the hospital, raced to the scene: "There was the > body of a man with no head. I stopped cars in the traffic to get them to > bring the injured to the hospital." > Then he opened the door of a morgue refrigerator for The Sun-Herald. Inside > were five bodies. One young man had half his head blown away; the nose of > another was gone and his flesh and clothing were torn. > As family members and hospital staff, many in tears, worked feverishly, > survivors who could talk spoke of their split-second encounter with war. > Khalid Jabar Hussein, 49, with shrapnel in his arm, wrist and leg, said: > "First I heard an aircraft and then the missile coming at us and I don't > know anything after that. I fell down." > Sajaja Jaafur, one of five in her family who were injured, lay in her bed, > crying with pain as she tried to turn to face her mother.Her lovely olive > skin was torn, there was a tube in her nose and a blood-stained dressing > around her abdomen. > Samaan Kadhim, 52, sedated with a bad gash on his back, said: "This was a > civilian area, there were no soldiers. It was just a market." > In the midst of all this, Dr Ahmed Sufian lashed out: "Our floors are > covered with blood of our people, the walls are splashed with blood. Why, > why, why? Why all this blood? I'm a doctor, but I can't understand such > things. They say [they] come to free us? Is this freedom?" > There was no overt support for Saddam Hussein, but all blamed the US for > the bombing. There was no hostility towards western reporters invited by > families to witness their grief. > "America did this to us," said 50-year-old Kadhim Ali. "Why does it hate > the Iraqi people?" > > > _____________________________________________________ > "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things > they misname empire; and where they make > a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus > > > Gabriel Gudding > Department of English > Illinois State University > Normal, IL 61790 > office 309.438.5284 > > http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html > http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:55:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Colin Powell threatens Syria and Iran Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Last night on C-Span, Colin Powell, in a talk before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's Annual Conference, threatened both Syria and Iran: He said, "Tehran must stop pursuing weapons of mass destruction." He also said, "Syria now faces a critical choice! Syria bears the burdens of its choices and teh consequences." And this morning I see there's an article about it at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2901689.stm And Syria says "we will not wait to be next" encouraging suicide attacks against anglo-american invaders in Iraq. http://216.26.163.62/2003/me_syria_03_28.html PS, I'd heard back on another list that the FUCK IRAQ scan was photoshopped and analyzed on snopes.com as an "urban legend." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 08:59:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Holloway Poetry Series presents Juliana Spahr and Erik Schneider, 4/3 Comments: To: Abigail Reyes , Karen Leitsch Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The Holloway Poetry Series presents Juliana Spahr and Erik Schneider Thursday, April 3 Colloquium with the poets begins at 4:30 p.m. in 305 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Readings begin at 6 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Juliana Spahr was born in Chillicothe, Ohio in 1966 but she currently lives in Honolulu, Hawai`i. Her books include Fuck You-Aloha-I Love You (Wesleyan, 2001), Everybody's Autonomy: Connective Reading and Collective Identity (U of Alabama, 2001), and Response (Sun & Moon, 1996). She co-edits the journal Chain with Jena Osman (archive at http://www.temple.edu/chain). She frequently self-publishes her work. Eventually an online version of this work will be available at http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/spahr. Erik Schneider is a PhD candidate in the Department of Rhetoric at UC Berkeley. His work is primarily concerned with ethics and metonymic theories of the subject; an ardent fan of the wild west, he is most especially concerned with articulating a restless ethics of the frontier which will leave rugged individualism in tatters. Currently his art and poetry consist of investigations of repetition, obsession, and perversion as they constitute and contest the delineating gesture. Erik has never published unless you count that zine he and his partner put out back in the early 80s. Free and open to the public: bring friends! For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry For further questions about the series, contact Jen Scappettone at jscape@socrates.berkeley.edu. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:38:37 -0800 Reply-To: wordthur@catskill.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bertha Rodgers Subject: WWW.NYSLITTREE.ORG CELEBRATES NATIONAL POETRY MONTH MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear Friends, It's National Poetry Month, and the New York State Literary Curators Web Site, http://www.nyslittree.org, administered by Bright Hill Press in partnership with the New York State Council on the Arts, is pleased to present a comprehensive listings of events throughout the state, listed by region. Go to the Events Page on the site, then click on the organization for details. Also, check out the Circuit and Interstate Writers Page, and the all-new Technical Assistance Page, with Debora Ott's new monograph on Founder Succession, which will be on the site effective April 4. Questions? You can always reach us at wordthur@catskill.net! WRITE A POEM, READ A POEM, LISTEN TO A POEM. . . . Bertha Rogers & Jema Abbate, LITTREE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some of the very special events -- NEW YORK CITY: Readings at the Academy of American Poets in NY; The People's Poetry Gathering, all over the city, including Poets House and the Bowery Poetry Club the weekend of April 11-13 Poetry Showcase at Poets House, April 5-30 Wordcraft Circle Day at the National Museum of the American Indian, April 5 A multitude of readings at Wordsmiths in Brooklyn NORTH, EAST, WEST OF NYC: Northern Westchester Center for the Arts presents Edward Hirsch and Jeffrey Harrison on April 7 Pauline Oliveros presents Media and Sound Explosion Bard John Ashbery Poetry Series presents Mark Ford on April 7 The Share the Words High-School Poetry Competition on April 5, in Stamford, NY, with keynote poet Bruce Bennett; Word Thursdays presents Andrea Carter Brown and Allen C. Fischer on April 10 and Colette Inez on April 24 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:43:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Colin Powell threatens Syria and Iran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here is the Crusade that Bin Laden wanted. GW bit the bait. September 11 attacks couldn't unite the Arab world against the West. It took this administration to fulfill Osama's vision. Tragically stupid, painfully true. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:28:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Tracy S. Ruggles Comments: Originally-From: Tracy S. Ruggles From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: Re: Colin Powell threatens Syria and Iran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Don't you think it's the other way around? It's the crusade Bush wanted... Bin Laden bit the bait. Hussein's regime alone couldn't unite the U.S. against the Arab world. It took 9/11 to fulfill Bush's vision. Tragically ingenious, painfully true. On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 11:43 AM, Frank Sherlock wrote: > Here is the Crusade that Bin Laden wanted. GW bit the bait. September > 11 attacks couldn't unite the Arab world against the West. It took > this administration to fulfill Osama's vision. Tragically stupid, > painfully true. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:33:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: looking for readings venues next fall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kari Here's a few: Dennis Barone, Ph.D. Professor of English Chair, English Department Saint Joseph College West Hartford, CT Phone: (860) 231-5379 E-mail:dbarone@sjc.edu Barone used to have a reading series at the college. I'm not sure what its status is. He knows my name, but we've never met. Will Wilkins Real Art Ways Hartford, CT I don't know if RAW has readings. Sometimes they do. Don't mention me on this one. Try Faith Vicinanza at She runs a reading series in Western CT. Since you're traveling, you might get some bread but anybody in a day's drive reads for free. Faith also has a finger on most poetry activities in CT, so she could be a valuable contact. You might also try Cheney Hall in Manchester, CT. Here's what I found in Faith's newsletter: Andy Aavatsmark, director > Cheney Hall > 860.647.9824/Chenyh@snet.net > > Pit Pinegar, series director > 860.793.9300/CreatePit@aol.com None of these people or places strike me as avant-garde except Dennis Barone, who might be able to point you toward the more appropriate venues. Good Luck, V. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kari edwards" To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: looking for readings venues next fall Dear all I have a new book of poetry ("iduna") coming out this fall, 2003 (around oct.) on O Books and I am trying to arrange some reading throughout the country. I do not hesitate to say I will read, give lectures or workshops for an economical rate. Below is a description of "iduna." if you would like more information I have included some sites below where you can check out a recent interview at Rain Taxi (http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/edwards.shtml), an essay at Narrativity (http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.html) and some works scattered about. I have given lecture and workshop on experimental poetry, queer writing, and narrativity. if you have any questions please feel free to contact me. kari edwards 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco, CA, 94110 415-647-6981 terra1@sonic.net _________________ "iduna" brings poetic awareness to the form “book” and demolishes the Nietzscheian god with its disruption of grammar and syntax. "iduna," like gender performativity, is a multiplicity of shifting and overlapping texts identities and locations. half human, half computer, "iduna" is spiritual syncope of form and content. "iduna" is manifesto patterns and a cut and paste pastiche of the begining of the 21 century. "iduna" is a book that begs for the reader to be embodied when engaging with it. "iduna" is a dream. _________________ NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life of p. From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com ________________________________ kari edwards is a poet, artist and gender activist, winner of New Langton Art’s Bay Area Award in literature(2002), author of a day in the life of p. , subpress collective (2002), a diary of lies - Belladonna #27 by Belladonna Books (2002), Electric Spandex: anthology of writing the queer text, Pyriform Press (2002), obLiqUE paRt(itON): colLABorationS, xPress(ed) (2002), and post/(pink) Scarlet Press (2000). sie is also the poetry editor I.F.G.E’s Transgender - Tapestry: a International Publication on Transgender issues. hir work has been exhibited throughout the united states, including denver art museum, new orleans contemporary art museum, university of california-san diego, and university of massachusetts - amherst. edwards’ work can also be found in Blood and Tears: an anthology on Matthew Shepard, Painted leaf Press (2000), Aufgabe, Fracture, Bombay Gin, Belight Fiction, In Posse, Mirage/Period(ical), Van Gogh’s Ear, PuppyFlower, Vert, 88: A Journal of Contemporary American Poetry, Narrativity, Shampoo, xStream, Big Bridge, Nerve Lantern, Magazine Cypress, AUGHT, Word/For Word, Atomicpetals, FIR at potz.com, muse-apprentice-guild, Pindeldyboz, BlazeVox 2k3, 5 Trope, and Panic, Avoid Strange Men, Bird Dog Magizine, RealPoetik, Blazevox 2k3, Raised in a Barn and The International Journal of Sexuality and Gender Studies. ________________________________ Also check out: http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/issueseven.html http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://canwehaveourballback.com/12index.htm http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm http://poetz.com/fir/feb02.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:20:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Stephens Subject: Edward Said on Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al-Ahram Weekly March 27-April 2, 2003 Resources of hope The two major catastrophes currently facing the Arab world, the US-led war against Iraq and the Israeli war against the Palestinians, dominate political debate. At a roundtable organised by Al-Ahram Weekly this week, Edward Said and a number of political analysts debated the challenges the Arabs face today. Amina Elbendary attended ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The roundtable hosting Edward Said and a number of Egyptian political analysts and Al-Ahram Weekly staff took place as the American bombing of Iraq was casting heavy shadows over discussions on the future of the Arab world. "It's a very fateful moment in a way because of this deeply unpopular and reckless war that a small group within the American administration has decided to wage against Iraq, and, in a way, against the whole Arab world. My strong opinion, though I don't have any proof in the classical sense of the word, is that they want to change the entire Middle East and the Arab world, perhaps terminate some countries, destroy the so-called terrorist groups they dislike and install regimes friendly to the United States. I think this is a dream that has very little basis in reality. The knowledge they have of the Middle East, to judge from the people who advise them, is to say the least out of date and widely speculative," argued Said. The question of who advises the current American administration on its Middle East policy was one recurring throughout the discussion. "The two greatest outside influences on the administration's Middle East policy," Said pointed out, "are Bernard Lewis and Fouad Ajami. Bernard Lewis hasn't set foot in the Middle East, in the Arab world, for at least 40 years. He knows something about Turkey, I'm told, but he knows nothing about the Arab world." Lewis has developed a theory of "concentric circles" which seems to be influential in Washington, but which Said and other critics take issue with. "This is the notion that the Middle East is divided into three circles: an outer circle of deeply antipathetic regimes and anti-American people, a second circle of pro-American people and anti- American regimes, and a third inner circle of pro- American regimes and pro-American people -- that would be the Gulf. The others are Egypt, Jordan and Morocco for the second, and Syria and Libya probably for the outer circle. In other words, there's a non-homogenous Arab world, and it's the role of American policy to change that so that it all becomes pro-American regimes and pro-American people." "Ajami has said many times that there will be flower-throwing on the streets of Basra and Baghdad when the Americans are welcomed as liberators. That's the world we're in. There's a deep contempt for other ideas, certainly tremendous hostility to Europe, and to the large number of American people and institutions, about which I wrote in the last issue of Al-Ahram Weekly, which oppose the war and oppose such policies. And, as far as I can tell, they're impervious because there's a fortress mentality which is historically characteristic of cabals and putschist regimes." Scenarios for a post-war, most probably a post- Saddam, Iraq were also part of the debate, as was the effect the war would have on the Arab region. Said: "I don't think the planning for the post- Saddam, post-war period in Iraq is very sophisticated, and there's very little of it. [US Undersecretary of State Marc] Grossman and [US Undersecretary of Defense Douglas] Feith testified in Congress about a month ago and seemed to have no figures and no ideas what structures they were going to deploy; they had no idea about the use of institutions that exist, although they want to de-Ba'thise the higher echelons and keep the rest." "The same is true about their views of the army. They certainly have no use for the Iraqi opposition that they've been spending many millions of dollars on. And to the best of my ability to judge, they are going to improvise. Of course the model is Afghanistan. I think they hope that the UN will come in and do something, but given the recent French and Russian positions I doubt that that will happen with such simplicity." Iraqi scholar, Sinan Antoon, then pointed to reports that the cost of the current war in Iraq, including humanitarian assistance, was estimated to be 150 billion dollars, which would be paid from Iraqi oil revenues and from frozen Iraqi assets. The opposition figures that the Americans have lined up to take power have all agreed to that, meeting with oil executives and agreeing to the privatisation of Iraqi oil. Said doubted that things would be so simple, saying that it would take years before Iraqi oil revenues begin coming in. "We're not talking about three or four years, we're talking about now," he said. "There's a major economic crisis. We went in a matter of a year and a half from a budget surplus to a major budget deficit in the US, which is going to increase exponentially over the next two years. There is no money. I think the war is a desperate attempt to try to recover some confidence in the economy and in the country. We're not talking about 150 billion dollars from Iraqi oil, we're talking about a trillion dollars . The calculations of the ten-year cost of the war go up to trillions." Mursi Saad El-Din then asked Said whether the participation of the British in the invasion, given their role in establishing the Hashemite dynasty in 1917 and the original role played by Gertrude Bell in drawing up the map of the region, would allow them to play a role in the rehabilitation of Iraq. "I have no information," Said responded, "but my opinion is that the Americans want to do the whole thing. I don't think they want the British or the UN. I think the idea is to do everything themselves and maybe make use of British experts, but the serious work is going to be done by the Americans -- the appointments to the ministries, running the post-war government, etc. And the British [would] have a very small role." Senior Al-Ahram political analyst Salama Ahmed Salama asked Said for his views regarding the conservatism of the current American administration, and how he judged it. Was it just a passing phase? "It's the worst administration I've seen since I went there in 1951. The whole [conservative] trend is a very artificial one made up essentially of three main currents. One is the Christian current, which is isolated from the rest of the country. [But] it's a lot of people, 70-80 million. This is George Bush's main constituency. Second, the neo-conservative movement, which has been developing over the period since the end of the 1960s, as a reaction to the 1960s. But it is now narrower and narrower and more focused. That's why you have people like [Richard] Perle and [Paul] Wolfowitz in positions of power, because they've made an alliance with the isolationist right wing within America. And these people are toughened, especially after 9/11. They are right-wing, anti-immigration, anti- diversity on the campuses and elsewhere, and they have a very narrow constituency of fear and contempt." "And the third group that feeds into this is the Washington establishment, these think tanks in Washington which have taken the intellectual class and turned them into policy salesmen who have no peer review. I can now name maybe ten magazines that publish stuff which nobody referees. They have become an entirely local group that feeds off the government. And I think this is an extremely dangerous but in the end dead-ended [group]." "The opposition to the war is, I think, an opposition to all of that. It's an opposition to the fundamentalists, who stand, for example, against the theory of evolution. And these are the people pushing for the war. And that's why I think the movement against the war, despite the fact that it is flagging a bit because of loyalty to the boys and girls abroad, as some of the Democrats are saying now, will grow. I think that Bush will not have a second presidency. In fact, I and many others are convinced that Bush will try to negate the 2004 elections: we're dealing with a putschist, conspiratorial, paranoid deviation that's very anti- democratic." "This is why finally I think candidates in the Democratic primaries next year will include people like Howard Dean, Dennis Kucinich, [maybe even] Ralph Nader. I think those are very important things for us, especially now given the war and what I'm sure will be its complications. I think that's the role of the intellectual, to provide resources for hope. They cannot be found in the conventional alleys of power." "And don't forget, we have a very dramatic economic recession. With lots of people out of jobs there's a wide perception that the social security system is about to be privatised, and this war then becomes a kind of folly. Bush is already spending something like two billion dollars a day. Who's going to pay for this? I think that's why the French and the Germans and the others' reactions are so important. [They] don't want to be part of [the] so- called reconstruction effort. And look what they did in Afghanistan. They didn't do anything. They bombed the place and they haven't helped at all. So I think it's a very important moment for this." Aziza Sami pointed to a growing perception that the Arab regimes have reached the "end of their history" in some sense, no one knowing what will happen next in the Arab world. For many, the only option seems to be a kind of people's movement, a reaction coming from the non-state sector. In this sense she asked Said whether the formal Arab political systems have really reached the end of their lives and whether there is a way the Arab masses can begin to find new directions. "I don't think anybody really knows the answer to that," responded Said. "Regimes have a way of staying on, particularly in imperial moments such as this." However, Said drew attention to what he called a "very lamentable emerging current in America and England" of neo-imperialism, the thought that there is an acceptable and benign form of imperialism, as carried out by the US. This, he explained, has even lead to revisions in the history of the former British empire by historians such as Nial Ferguson and David Armitage, who argue that the empire wasn't that bad, since it brought order and certain countries benefited from it. Said: "The advent of this new imperialism, with the cabalist or putschist mentality that I believe exists in Washington, and with the highly dubious results of the elections of 2000 in which Bush lost the popular vote but got the presidency, has suggested to many people the complete failure of American democracy. More and more people are thinking in terms of direct democracy, such as on the streets, and in terms of various alternative ways of looking at governance in this new world with a single global power that has the ability to project military power all over the world and carry on two, three wars at the same time. For that's what the Rumsfeld vision is: not only preemptive but also simultaneous war. In such a position, we're all in the same boat, those of us who don't believe in that, whether American or not American." "And I would think the same thing applies here to the best of my knowledge and ability to judge. That is to say, there's a failure of rule. The powers that be in the Arab countries seem to be at best able to keep down demonstrations, and so on and so forth." "But I think there are enough movements from below, whether human-rights movements, ecological movements, women's movements, ethnic movements, that favour, in America, the disuniting of America, which is very important. And maybe the same is true here. In other words, I think the Westphalian system, which ordered the state system of the world, has failed. And I think it's failed internally. There's been a desire on the part of the right wing in the United States, since the Clinton administration, to attack very heavily independent thought and anything that appears to challenge the prevailing order, and of course this increased after 9/11." Political analyst Mohamed Sid-Ahmed pointed out that after 9/11, it first appeared that the main confrontation was between imperial America and terrorism. But something new has developed since then, reversing the game. Mass movements that began with Seattle, the anti-globalisation movement that has acquired global dimensions ever since, and Porto Allegre, and the more recent demonstrations worldwide against the war in Iraq, are changing the balance, putting the Bush administration on the defensive. This is a phenomenon, he argued, that has widespread implications, including the extent to which the image of Islam as "terrorist" and "extremist" is being replaced by regimes claiming to follow a moderate Islam. Said concurred but added that the problem for outsiders was that what meets the eye are the official regimes. "The rest of the world identifies the Arabs with their regimes. There doesn't seem to be anything else. And we haven't in the Arab world, I don't think, developed a way of addressing these counter-currents in an organised or at least in a significant way. After 9/11 there were the attempts of groups, let's say of Egyptian intellectuals, who wanted to respond and write letters and show that we're not all Osama Bin Laden. But that's not quite the same thing. The problem is the regimes themselves, which after all claim to represent their people. There's a crisis of representation, which I think is difficult to overcome." "What's very interesting also is the perception, and this is a footnote to what Mohamed Sid-Ahmed said, that the opposition to the US in the Arab world and Europe and elsewhere is not an Islamic opposition. It's on a much wider basis, which is very important. I myself believe very strongly that it's important for those of us who are not part of this state system to be able to address what I call the 'other America', because there are vast possibilities of mutual benefit, and Porto Allegre is a terrific model for that." The Palestinian predicament and events in occupied Palestine naturally found their way into the discussion, eventually dominating the roundtable. Mohamed El-Sayed Said raised several issues relating to Palestinian nationalism, referring to the chaos that has characterised the Palestinian Intifada since its inception, which "reflects the increasing gulf between both the intelligentsia and the political elite on the one hand and the new generations on the other, particularly in the refugee camps in Gaza but also in the West Bank. I believe this is an issue of grave concern given the immense sacrifice paid without, at least until this moment, any real political gains." He was also alarmed by how the Palestinian middle-ranking leadership had lost its direction in the course of the Intifada: "You're having an Intifada without a real head, and there is a question of how to restore minds and reason in such a great act of resistance. Even the general slogan of 'Intifada for Liberation', was exaggerated to the point of suicide...Since you're actually asking Palestinians on their own to complete the cycle and push forward to the end destination, you're actually asking them to do something that they couldn't possibly do, even in terms of numbers. Such chaos is disastrous when it comes to a struggle," he insisted. Finally El-Sayed Said raised the problem of finance. "Arab funding and Arab money was a part of [Palestinian] corruption since the very beginning. Now we know that the Palestinians need economic assistance and help, so how can we possibly track or streamline economic and financial assistance for the strengthening of the body politic of the Palestinian community, the Palestinian national movement?" Said was similarly uneasy about the militarisation of the Intifada, but "one of the main elements in the creation of the mubadara [the democratic initiative] of Mustafa Barghouti and Haydar Abdel-Shafi and others, is precisely the issue of leadership of the Intifada and [its] militarisation." He conceded, however, that it was a sensitive issue for the Palestinians since no one wanted to be seen to be capitulating to the Israeli occupation, especially as Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon kept making statements like "we want to break them." No one wants to just give up, he explained. "The funny part of it is that there is no instrument for giving way, for surrendering; we don't have even that capacity. I mean Arafat has in effect surrendered, and nobody seems to be interested. Which is why everybody is now looking for other ways." "I think the question of money and new contacts has emerged from this mubadara as well. There has been a great deal of European interest in the mubadara precisely because it's led and represented by several hundred people all of whom have reputations for transparency and who are dedicated to their organisations, whether they're medical organisations or relief organisations. That's very impressive." "As for the gaps [referred to] between the camps and intelligentsia, there are two other groups which are [also] extremely important: the Palestinians who are Israeli, a million of them, and the shatat, the diaspora Palestinians. Now, wherever you go there are people who say we really have to organise ourselves and are beginning to do that. In places like Britain there is a very strong solidarity movement. I think, being basically anarchistic, it's working through other groups, like divestment campaigns, anti-war campaigns, human-rights groups. Because we can't deal with Israel and the US head on, they're just too powerful, we don't have the means to deal with them. To me the answer is in the emergence of an unconventional mentality that is willing to break with all the old slogans." Finally, the participants reverted to scenarios for post-war Iraq, conceding that the picture was blurred. "I don't think anybody has any idea," concluded Said. "All the available scenarios for the Middle East that I've seen are full of suppositions. One writer whom I recommend to your attention is Thomas Powers. He's the best writer on the situation now. He's written an article entitled "The Man who would be President of Iraq" for the New York Times and he thinks there's no doubt that once [the American administration is] through with Iraq they're going into Iran. If that's the case, if there's an attempt on Iran, who's going to stop them from thinking the same thing about Syria? There are all kinds of scenarios going around involving Israel. [The American administration] wants a new friendly axis: Turkey, Israel and India. That's the new strategic thinking. What is this going to do to the Arab world with that kind of regime in Iraq? Those are the things that are being discussed -- non-Arab dominance [in the Middle East]. A lot of Iraqis, like Kanan Makiya, have been speaking about the 'de-Arabisation' of the Arab world, not just of Iraq. I don't really know what to say because everything could go wrong. I don't know what the war is going to be like." But will the Iraqi people remain submissive, Aziza Sami questioned. "I don't know. I think they [the American administration] think so. Take my words very literally: the [American] government has very few advisers on the Middle East. The old Middle East people at the State Department, [the Arabists] of whom maybe the last person is [Robert] Burns, have been emasculated. They don't exist anymore, and they have no influence at all. And the new people, like Thomas Friedman, don't know Arabic, travel around the Arab world and are received in rooms like this and give [the administration] advice about what the Arabs are saying and the Arab street, and so on and so forth." "As against that our voices are never heard. Al- Ahram Weekly is one of the few things that people read, and it is having an effect, slowly. So cowed and so frightened has the US press become that even when Robert Burns gave his great Senate speech a month ago it wasn't reported. You couldn't find it in the NYT. It's unbelievable, there's such an atmosphere of fear, so the only thing left are the alternative radio stations, alternative publications, and if you follow them, and establish some kind of relationship, I think that's where the action is. And that's why the Weekly is a fantastic resource. Many Americans read it. They read your columnists as alternatives to what they get in America." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:46:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: looking for reading venues next fall MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. I meant that to be a backchannel. Obviously, I goofed. Vernon ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:05:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: anagrams for American Imperialism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed AMERICAN IMPERIALISM I am a criminal's empire I'm empirical as marine I'm mean, ripe racialism I am empirical remains. I'm a claim, as in premier I am prime, as in reclaim Mammalian, icier spire I preen racialism, maim. I'm a nice alarm, I'm spire Imperialism in a cream I'm nice sperm, am I a liar? A nice imperialism arm. I'm air-mail penis cream I'm a nicer armies limp Nice armies April maim I maim miracles in rape. Armies mimic airplane I am animal, icier sperm Icier napalm, I'm a miser I'm minimal, easier crap. Crap? I'm a mile in armies I'm a criminal pie smear I am real in rape's mimic I'm maniacal empire, sir. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:13:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: P F In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have about forty newish (80s & 90s) but rapidly acidifying issues of Poetry Flash that I will give away to the first lucky (and nice) individual who can pay for the shipping ($5) or who wishes to pick them up in person (SF Bay Area) for free. I suspect these will be gone within the day, so act fast. No questions about specific issues, please! Email me offlist: mpalmer@jps.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:29:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: globbleglook said Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i can understand some pos might find pentagonese too much..Iraqui Freedom etc., tho i myself am partial to such as Triple A Fire.. for anti-aircraft fire... but posting Edward Said's globbleglook is insufferable..do you acturally READ this stuff, is this the language of Williams Whitman & Lincoln.. this is brainwashing by cant and rote that the pentagon can only imagine..garbage language...and an insulting except to Academics whose use of lang. is no better... isn't this at least in part about poetry and language..how do you stomach this papp...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:20:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Sherlock Subject: Re: Colin Powell threatens Syria and Iran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good point. If you're taking the Reichstag approach, than it may well be as you say. I still see Bin Laden as the one who sets the lure. Even in a Reichstag scenario, Al Qaeda probably wouldn't willingly cooperate with the Bush regime. As the conspiracy theory goes, the Feds were complicit by not responding to the threat of attack, or- allowing it to happen. The timing served them both. Who can really say- it's getting harder to distinguish between tyrants. The cover photo of Tariq Ali's THE CLASH OF FUNDAMENTALISMS, featuring GW Bin Laden says it all. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:34:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Petroleum Jelly Kids Cover the White House Via Monument Valley Comments: cc: Brian Stefans In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Petroleum Jelly Kids Cover the White House Via Monument Valley (Gothic News Service, 03/31) The Petroleum Kids Studio =AD a breakaway branch of the sculptor Matthew Barney=B9s infamous film crew =AD is reported about to complete a ten-minute work for Network News television. Filmed by the Studi= o at night on location in Monument Valley, New Mexico =AD site of numerous cowboy features, including John Ford=B9s "Stage Coach" =AD the Newscast feature= s the White House=B9s War Counsel. Framed against one of the Monument=B9s most dramatic high-rise cliffs, the white petroleum greased theatrical set included elaborate multi-platform scaffolds, thick ropes and pulleys, a razor sharp, leather bull whip, a free wheeling Bradley steel tank tread, and an illuminated empty missile tip. Dressed in transparent body suits =AD also thoroughly greased in white jelly =ADmembers of the President=B9s War Counsel are filmed in an intense workout that is designed to revive the Administration's commitment to roll over Iraq in an ideologically consisten= t and timely manner.=20 Consistent with the work of Matthew Barney =AD a Studio statement reads - the Petroleum Kids=B9 work leaves no doubt as to the ambiguities of the power relationships within the Counsel. Vice President Cheney, while being raised and lowered from platform to platform, cannot stop rubbing large gobs of petroleum jelly into his heart. War Secretary Rumsfeld =AD while held upside down by General Tommy Franks =AD repetitively applies little dabs of the jell= y lubricant to the muscles around his squinting eyes. At the same time, the General appears to use his feet to tightly enwrap the War Secretary inside the grip of the loose and greasy tank tread. Running up and down the ladder= s between scaffolds, Condoleezza Rice, National Security Adviser snaps the whip with a grace and ease, the white tip apparently stinging each Member i= n sensitive places in ways that cause their torsos to wince into rigid and freshly familiar postures. Only the President is spared the whip. Through out the sequence, while embracing a white missile tip, he struggles not to fall off a western saddle that is raised and lowered up and down the cliff by a barely stable, but well-oiled leather harness. Ironically General Collin Powell appears wrestle with Richard Perle and Paul Wolfolitz in a jelly mountain at the bottom of the set. Back in New York, the Petroleum Kid=B9s reported great satisfaction with the first round of edits. Today=B9s film studio statement went on to say, "Th= e use of malleable use of the white petroleum jelly in the Western context is perfect for showing the War Counsel=B9s slippery oscillations between covert and overt behavior. As a Studio we realize it as our public duty to dramatize and envision the ways in which the forceful members of this particular group=AD especially in light of battleground realities =AD are working to regroup and reframe the invasion and mastery of Iraq." At Press time it is not known whether or not the News Feature will achieve domestic distribution by any of Networks, however worldwide exposure appears a sure opportunity with much international interest immediately expressed. The National Monument Park Service =AD when asked - reports that no props were found on the reported film site. "We did find some odd white filaments of what looked like grease or jelly at the bottom of one the cliffs. Nothin= g serious. It did not seem to have anything to with making a cowboy movie, bu= t we did pause to wonder if some Native American Church Group had secretly go= t in here to re-enact a version of The Ghost Dance. The remnants did have a scary, ghostly look about them." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 14:50:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Rod Smith and Gary Sullivan at the Project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Rod Smith and Gary Sullivan Poetry Project @ St. Mark's Church 10th Street & 2nd Avenue, NYC Wednesday April 2, 8:00 p.m. Rod Smith is the author of In Memory of My Theories (O Books), The Boy Poems (BDB), Protective Immediacy (Roof), New Mannerist Tricycle with Lisa Jarnot and Bill Luoma (Beautiful Swimmer), and Music or Honesty (forthcoming from Roof). The Good House, a long poem, was recently published by Spectacular Books. Poemes de laraignee was just published in France by Bureau sur l'Atlantique. His work has appeared in numerous magazines and anthologies including Anthology of New (American) Poets, The Baffler, The Gertrude Stein Awards, Open City, and Shenandoah. He edits Aerial magazine, publishes Edge Books, and manages Bridge Street Books in Washington, DC. Gary Sullivan is the author of Dead Man (Meow), How to Proceed in the Arts (Faux Press) and, with Nada Gordon, Swoon (Granary Books). His cartoon, "The New Life," has been serialized in Rain Taxi Review of Books since 1996. His poetry, plays, comics, and essays have appeared in many magazines and anthologies including City Pages, The East Village, The Gertrude Stein Awards, Jacket, LA Weekly, Pom2, and SF Weekly. He co-edited Chain 8: Comics with Jenna Osman, Juliana Spahr and Janet Zweig, and currently, with Nada Gordon, co-edits the Poetry Project Newsletter. Other projects include the online journal Readme http://home.jps.net/~nada and Detour Press. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:35:35 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K.Angelo Hehir" Subject: please note MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, My e-mail was down all week-end so if anyone contacted me about anything please try again. thanks, kevin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:46:01 -0800 Reply-To: jmbettridge@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Bettridge Subject: new books by Susan Howe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just passing on this note from Richard Deming: I just wanted to pass on information of 2 fantastic editions of Susan Howe’s work that might get overlooked. These two collections are being produced by Simon Cutts and Erica Van Horn at Coracle, one of the finest small presses in the world and the books are possibly the two best looking overall of Howe’s work. Since the books are so well crafted they are a little more expensive than trade editions, but they are still well below other what most fine press would cost. The books continue Howe’s meditations on the ways that childhood fictions and material culture shape memory via the texts of family photographs, marginalia, and juvenile novels with photographs by Peter Hare woven into the text. Since there will only be a relatively small number produced it’s best to order sooner rather than later—and because Coracle doesn’t work through a distributor you’re unlikely to come upon the books unless you order directly. Here’s the details on the books: Susan Howe Kidnapped Edition of 300 with 100 hors commerce copies. Signed and numbered. 96 pp off-set with tipped in 4 color images, interleavings and facsimile bookmark. Casebound with wrappers. $60 plus $5.00 Shipping and packing (or 55 Euros with 5 for shipping) Susan Howe BedHangings II Edition of 300 numbered copies. 48 pp letterpress Casebound with indented cover image. $32 plus $5 for packing and shipping (or 55 Euros plus 5 for shipping). Cheques payable to Coracle Press with order. Coracle Ballybeg, Grange, Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland Tel/fax 00 353 52 38408 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:44:09 -0500 Reply-To: adlevy@slought.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Levy Organization: Slought Foundation Subject: Slought Foundation: Join us at our April 2003 Events! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Slought Foundation, Philadelphia invites you to attend our April 2003 events and exhibitions. Slought Foundation provides visionary artists and curators with resources for innovative events and exhibitions. We encourage new discursive futures for contemporary life through critical theory and dialogue about art.=20 Visit associated links for biographies and more information. -------- UPCOMING EVENTS Presenting: Susan Stewart Lecture: "On the Art of the Future" Event Date: 2003-04-09 / 6:30 pm - 8:00 pm http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1145 --- Presenting: Craig Dworkin, Kenny Goldsmith, Aaron Levy, Louis Cabri,=20 Darren Wershler-Henry, Brian Kim Stefans Public Conversation: "Digital Fever: Case Studies in Archiving Art and Poetry" Event Date: 2003-04-10 / 6:30 pm - 8:30pm http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1144 --- Presenting: Komar & Melamid, Kevin Platt Lecture & Public Conversation: "Collaboration Between Two Worlds: Selling Russia to the West"=20 Series: D=E9tente exhibition Event Date: 2003-04-16 / 6:00 pm - 7:30 pm http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1155 --- Presenting: Catherine Liu, Jean-Michel Rabat=E9 Lecture & Public Conversation: "On Paranoia, Superstition and Irrationality"=20 Series: Conversations in Theory Event Date: 2003-04-18 / 6:30 pm - 8:30 pm http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1142 --- Presenting: Janet Zweig, Jena Osman Lecture & Artist Talk: "Janet Zweig's Text Machines"=20 Series: Dimensional Text Event Date: 2003-04-24 / 6:30 pm - 8:30 pm http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1141 -------- CURRENT EXHIBITIONS "D=E9tente: Russian Contemporary Art in Video Format"=20 Featuring work by Oleg Kulik, Leonid Tishkov, AES, Olga Stolpovskaya Curated by Nina Zaretskaya Exhibit Duration: 2003-03-26 to 2003-05-26 http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1140 --- "Why We Invade England: Acts, Edicts and Declarations, 1607-1691" Edicts by James I, Cromwell, Charles II, Prince of Orange, Mary II, Parliament Curated by Aaron Levy Exhibit Duration: 2003-03-26 to 2003-05-26 http://slought.org/toc/calendar/display.php?id=3D1153 For more information, contact Aaron Levy: SLOUGHT FOUNDATION=20 4017 Walnut Street=20 Philadelphia, PA 19104-3513=20 Phone/Fax: 215 746 4239=20 Wednesday through Saturday, 11am - 6pm=20 And by appointment; Tours available=20 Slought Foundation Executive Director, Curator: Aaron Levy=20 Head Curators: Osvaldo Romberg, Jean-Michel Rabat=E9, Louis Cabri --- To unsubscribe from list Slought Announcements: http://slought.org/cgi-bin/subscribe/mojo.cgi?f=3Du&l=3DSlought_Announcem= ent s&e=3Dadlevy@slought.org&p=3D5571 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:57:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MWP Subject: Re: P F SOLD In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 3/31/03 11:13 AM, MWP at mpalmer@JPS.NET wrote: > I have about forty newish (80s & 90s) but rapidly acidifying issues of > Poetry Flash that I will give away to the first lucky (and nice) individual > who can pay for the shipping ($5) or who wishes to pick them up in person > (SF Bay Area) for free. I suspect these will be gone within the day, so act > fast. No questions about specific issues, please! > > Email me offlist: mpalmer@jps.net No more inquiries, please. M ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:14:27 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Massni Subject: Re: Edward Said on Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes but do not forget lbj and parent co brown etc of halliburton cheney's cash cow see yesterday's ny times now i know they all suck sucked will suck forever em bare assed ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:28:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Arm Amerika !! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Arm Amerika !! A number of people here fully expect Bush and other National-Capitalists to declare either a STATE OF EMERGENCY or MARTIAL LAW, come the 2004 elections. As far as I know this would be unprecedented in this country; it would effectively forestall or cancel them! Bush's sense of absolute rightness, use of force, and so-called Divine Guidance - coupled with a devoted and private non-draft (professional) army, is almost a guarantee of success. The religious Right - which has at times been suspicious of Congress itself - would be pleased; it's hard to imagine a resistance from a disarmed Left. At the moment, the Courts are his; Congress is his. The Courts would agree with martial law; Congress would be irrelevant. There are enough troops to go around. Seize the Stock Exchange! The TV networks! Register everyone! Export the Arabs! The Jews! What to do? If this scenario occurs, Amerika will not be stopped, at least for the foreseeable future. The only reason we are "bombing Baghdad back to the stone age" is because of Congress and other limited resistance. And who is to say we are not doing this? And who is to say that martial law has not already been declared - is already underway? It's surprising that this paranoid scenario is not being taken seriously at this point; people whisper and wait. And for what? By the time the "state of emergency" is evident, even to "ordinary citizens," resistance would be futile! A fate or fact accomplished! A coop of state! Consider the parallel with late Weimar - right-wing loyalists supporting dubiously-elected leaders, deep collusion with the corporate and private sectors, anti-semitisms, issues of lebensraum, marching columns, new technologies of war and propaganda, technologies of censorship and con- trol, faltering economies, absolutist leaders, nativist and fundamentalist sympathies! The similarities are unnerving! Should we begin to arm? To organize alternatives to a problematic Net? (Fidonet, wireless networking, etc.?) To create disinformation campaigns? To create the phalanx? The fifth column? The resistance? The escape-route from the Camps? Sabotage? Wreckers? The Underground? The Underground railroad? The assassination-squad? The death-squad? Should we contact other groups? World-wide? Which other groups? Should we import guns and psychedelics? Export rhetoric? Testimony? Should we emigrate? Proclaim our innocence? Or should we be led like sheep to the slaughter !! === ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:39:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: All because MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --- All because ... (6.) A fomentation applied externally at Be applied to the current Carriers, ships, and armored vehicles Desire to work miracles to Effect, imagine that all these Far as possible into the Government officials refuse speaking engagements Happens. His speech threw me Ill-requited drudgery. Purity of Jokingly called Doktor der Linke Killed eight of our party Legends and myths of nations Many of them unaware of No more than the claim Of biography, psyche, history, culture Part a myth for it Quite matched by actual political Record your journeys. There may See everything without being seen Than twenty thousand good and Upon which the whole body Very soothing to the mucous Was looking forward to seeing "Xoanephores" of Sophocles; Byron's "Sardanapalus" You too seriously? "Since your Zero airspeed and zero altitude ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:47:02 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Circulars: new stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tons of new stories and comments have been added to Circulars: http://www.arras.net/circulars/ Please try to get the URL to friends and other anti-war sites as its becoming an interesting resource for new stories, art links and original writing by poets and artists. If you don't want to receive these, please tell me, I'll put you in my no-send list. I've also added a new links bar at the top to make it more user-friendly, and will continue to make fixes and changes. Here are the headlines - sorry I can't give the lead-in paragraphs for these as there are too many: Boston Globe: The Cheney Connection American Peace Activists Confirm Iraqi Hospital Bombed Carla Harryman: from a Journal [March 18, 2003] Margaret Atwood: Letter To America Gothic News Service: Petroleum Jelly Kids Cover the White House Via Monument Valley Philadelphia Inquirer: Op-Ed Poems The Works on Shirts Project: WEARNICA Carla Harryman: from a Journal [January 17, 2003] The Hindu: British Govt Angry Over BBC War Coverage Are You Saddam, um, Sarah Connor? Operation Don't Mess With Our Sucker Punch: US Military Operation Name Generator Toronto Globe and Mail: Warblogging USA Today: CIA Spamming Iraqi Military Michael Moore Plans Bush/Bin Laden Film Join the MoveOn Media Corps Guardian: War Games Fixed To Ensure US Victory Smart Bombs Indirect Action on A15 Gothic News Services: United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan's Washington, D.C. Address Guardian UK: Al-Jazeera Tells the Truth About War National Day of Direct Action on A7 Seymour M. Hersh: Who Lied to Whom? Russell Mokhiber: Ari & I Barrett Watten: War = Language Rachel Levitsky: Reflections Good Day Antonin Artaud: To Have Done with the Judgement of God Anti-War Reading in NYC March 28 & April 2 Pro-War Spam Gothic News Service: Viz-Ops Shifts Media Point of View in Iraq Associated Press: Hundreds Protest in New York's Anti-War 'Die-In' PRWEEK: How The White House PR Model Works Politech: What Are The Odds On Hussein? Reuters: Al Jazeera Banned From NYSE, NASDAQ Floors Rockefeller Center "Die In" REM: The Final Straw Protest Songs Site Toy War Guardian: Rumsfeld Guilty of War Crimes for Guantanamo Bay? US Anti-Canadian Trade Backlash Begins Reuters: New Al Jazeera Web Site Runs Into Headaches Live From Iraq, an Un-Embedded Journalist Onion: Operation Piss Off the Planet Agence France Presse: Halliburton Handed No-Bid Iraqi Oil Firefighting Contract Times UK: The Victor of War Is Government The Mother of All Snacks Warblogging NY Times: Dixie Chicks CD-Smashing Rallies and The New Oligarchy Politech: Canadian Website Shut Down for Photo of US POW Not In My Name Sing A Song of Esso Planning meeting for Direct Action NYC The Guardian: On Salam Pax's Blog Amy Partridge: Chicago Arrests Michael Moore's Oscar Acceptance Speech More Protest Music: March of Death Book Launch: The Common Sky Mirakove Relay #3: On Detainees Scott Pound: The war is the first and only thing in the world today Report on March 21, World Poetry Day How much freedom is too much? Arab News: Neo-Totalitarianism - with commentary A few in military refuse to fight 'wrong war' Activists call stance brave; critics say it's cowardly Counterpunch: Fourth-Generation Protesting Direct Action Weekend Iraq Body Counters POETS FOR PEACE reminder Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S. Project for the New American Century: Statement of Principles Senator Byrd: Arrogance of Power Gothic News: Sticker Attack On Cups in US Senate Cafeteria Moveon.org: Citizens' Declaration Protest 5PM Times Square TODAY! Reminder for Baghdad Snapshot Action Tonight New Iraq Leaflets Iraq Body Count Database Rachel Corrie: 'You Just Can't Imagine It' POETS' ANTI-WAR INITIATIVES THIS WEEKEND Drew Gardner: Your tax dollars... CNN: Disneyland, Disneyworld Declared No-Fly Zones Metaphors can Kill Rabble: Blogs Against War War = Go To Your Room Slashdot: US May Nerf Non-Military GPS During War War Poetry and War Games Don't Mix Toronto Star: Attack on Iraq Could Turn Bush into Criminal Onion: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over Thu-20 March NYC Baghdad Snapshot Action United for Peace and Justice NYC: If War Begins Americans Turn to Foreign Websites for Real News Cook's resignation speech The Last Time The Sniper's Tale Gothic News: Bush, Blair & Aznar Sculptures Planned for the Edge of Salt Lake Scott Pound: The Making of Americans British Resignationblog The Death of Rachel Corrie Gothic News: Music & Tears: Bush's Friday Cabinet Meeting Joel Bettridge: What we Talk about when we Talk World Poetry Day, March 21 - Poets Against the War ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:52:16 -0500 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: FW: Circulars: new stories MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear notification folks... I'm not going to be sending out notifications about individual new stories as it doesn't seem to work very well -- too many dupes, bad formatting, etc. If you don't want to receive these, please tell me, I'll put you in my no-send list (or take you off the notifications -- some of you may be in my address book and so are getting this twice). Tons of new stories and comments have been added to Circulars: http://www.arras.net/circulars/ Please try to get the URL to friends and other anti-war sites as its becoming a distinctive resource for new stories, art links and original writing by poets and artists. I've also added a new links bar at the top to make it more user-friendly, and will continue to make fixes and changes. Here are the headlines - sorry I can't give the lead-in paragraphs for these as there are too many: Boston Globe: The Cheney Connection American Peace Activists Confirm Iraqi Hospital Bombed Carla Harryman: from a Journal [March 18, 2003] Margaret Atwood: Letter To America Gothic News Service: Petroleum Jelly Kids Cover the White House Via Monument Valley Philadelphia Inquirer: Op-Ed Poems The Works on Shirts Project: WEARNICA Carla Harryman: from a Journal [January 17, 2003] The Hindu: British Govt Angry Over BBC War Coverage Are You Saddam, um, Sarah Connor? Operation Don't Mess With Our Sucker Punch: US Military Operation Name Generator Toronto Globe and Mail: Warblogging USA Today: CIA Spamming Iraqi Military Michael Moore Plans Bush/Bin Laden Film Join the MoveOn Media Corps Guardian: War Games Fixed To Ensure US Victory Smart Bombs Indirect Action on A15 Gothic News Services: United Nations, Secretary-General Koffi Annan's Washington, D.C. Address Guardian UK: Al-Jazeera Tells the Truth About War National Day of Direct Action on A7 Seymour M. Hersh: Who Lied to Whom? Russell Mokhiber: Ari & I Barrett Watten: War = Language Rachel Levitsky: Reflections Good Day Antonin Artaud: To Have Done with the Judgement of God Anti-War Reading in NYC March 28 & April 2 Pro-War Spam Gothic News Service: Viz-Ops Shifts Media Point of View in Iraq Associated Press: Hundreds Protest in New York's Anti-War 'Die-In' PRWEEK: How The White House PR Model Works Politech: What Are The Odds On Hussein? Reuters: Al Jazeera Banned From NYSE, NASDAQ Floors Rockefeller Center "Die In" REM: The Final Straw Protest Songs Site Toy War Guardian: Rumsfeld Guilty of War Crimes for Guantanamo Bay? US Anti-Canadian Trade Backlash Begins Reuters: New Al Jazeera Web Site Runs Into Headaches Live From Iraq, an Un-Embedded Journalist Onion: Operation Piss Off the Planet Agence France Presse: Halliburton Handed No-Bid Iraqi Oil Firefighting Contract Times UK: The Victor of War Is Government The Mother of All Snacks Warblogging NY Times: Dixie Chicks CD-Smashing Rallies and The New Oligarchy Politech: Canadian Website Shut Down for Photo of US POW Not In My Name Sing A Song of Esso Planning meeting for Direct Action NYC The Guardian: On Salam Pax's Blog Amy Partridge: Chicago Arrests Michael Moore's Oscar Acceptance Speech More Protest Music: March of Death Book Launch: The Common Sky Mirakove Relay #3: On Detainees Scott Pound: The war is the first and only thing in the world today Report on March 21, World Poetry Day How much freedom is too much? Arab News: Neo-Totalitarianism - with commentary A few in military refuse to fight 'wrong war' Activists call stance brave; critics say it's cowardly Counterpunch: Fourth-Generation Protesting Direct Action Weekend Iraq Body Counters POETS FOR PEACE reminder Fake Iraq documents 'embarrassing' for U.S. Project for the New American Century: Statement of Principles Senator Byrd: Arrogance of Power Gothic News: Sticker Attack On Cups in US Senate Cafeteria Moveon.org: Citizens' Declaration Protest 5PM Times Square TODAY! Reminder for Baghdad Snapshot Action Tonight New Iraq Leaflets Iraq Body Count Database Rachel Corrie: 'You Just Can't Imagine It' POETS' ANTI-WAR INITIATIVES THIS WEEKEND Drew Gardner: Your tax dollars... CNN: Disneyland, Disneyworld Declared No-Fly Zones Metaphors can Kill Rabble: Blogs Against War War = Go To Your Room Slashdot: US May Nerf Non-Military GPS During War War Poetry and War Games Don't Mix Toronto Star: Attack on Iraq Could Turn Bush into Criminal Onion: Our Long National Nightmare of Peace and Prosperity is Finally Over Thu-20 March NYC Baghdad Snapshot Action United for Peace and Justice NYC: If War Begins Americans Turn to Foreign Websites for Real News Cook's resignation speech The Last Time The Sniper's Tale Gothic News: Bush, Blair & Aznar Sculptures Planned for the Edge of Salt Lake Scott Pound: The Making of Americans British Resignationblog The Death of Rachel Corrie Gothic News: Music & Tears: Bush's Friday Cabinet Meeting Joel Bettridge: What we Talk about when we Talk World Poetry Day, March 21 - Poets Against the War ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:49:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Maxwell Subject: April 4-6: Los Angeles French-American Magazine & Potery Conferen ce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A Review of Two Worlds French and American Poetry in Translation April 4-6 (full schedule here: http://www.usc.edu/calendar/events/18030.html) A three-day conference taking place at Doheny Memorial Library on the = USC University Park campus brings together translators, magazine editors, = and poets, who explore the evolving connections between French and American poetry.=20 This conference and related series of poetry readings is presented in conjunction with the exhibition Charting the Here of There: French and American Poetry in Translation, currently on display in Doheny Memorial Library.=20 The exhibition, curated by B=E9atrice Mousli and Guy Bennett, = illustrates the long-standing tradition of literary exchange between France and = America, as it has played out in poetry magazines published in the two countries = from the mid-nineteenth century up to the present.=20 *** Sponsored by College of Letters, Arts, & Sciences, Department of French = and Italian, Doheny Memorial Library, the Graduate Writing Program of Otis College of Art and Design, the Cultural Services of the French Embassy = in New York, the Society for French American Cultural Services and = Educational Aid (FACSEA), the Florence Gould Foundation, the General French = Consulate in Los Angeles and the Germ/Poetic Research Bloc w/ the participation of Dawsons Bookshop. Participants: Vincent Broqua, Michel Bulteau, Yves di Manno, Stacy = Doris, Jean-Michel Espitallier, Christophe Fiat, Eric Giraud, Joseph = Guglielmi, Pierre Joris, Benjamin Hollander, Douglas Messerli, Jennifer Moxley, = Cole Swensen, Juliette Val=E9ry Organizers: Guy Bennett, Andrew Maxwell, B=E9atrice Mousli, Paul = Vangelisti http://www.magazinefestival.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:08:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Maxwell Subject: Michel Bulteau, Christophe Fiat, Benjamin Hollander, & Cole Swens en @ Dawsons, Sat 6pm! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" In conjunction with "A Review of Two Worlds", the French/American magazine & poetry conference taking place at USC and Otis Arts College, the Germ and the Poetic Research Bureau invite you to attend a special reading this Saturday the 5th from 6 to 8 pm at Dawson's Book Shop: Michel Bulteau Christophe Fiat Benjamin Hollander Cole Swensen Doors open at 6:00 p.m. Readings free and open to all. Dawson's Book Shop is located at 535 N. Larchmont Blvd between Beverly Blvd and Melrose Blvd in the Larchmont district south of Hollywood, CA. Dawson's Book Shop 535 North Larchmont Boulevard, Los Angeles (323) 469-2186 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:14:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: halliburton cheney perle Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "That there are men in all countries who get their living by war, and by=20 keeping up the quarrels of nations, is as shocking as it is true; but when= =20 those who are concerned in the government of a country, make it their study= =20 to sow discord, and cultivate prejudices between nations, it becomes the=20 more unpardonable." =AD Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", circa 1792=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:43:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: BABYLON MINISTRY OF MISINFORMATION Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, randomART@yahoogroups.com, webartery@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You have been invited to interact with the BABYLON MINISTRY OF MISINFORMATION "impersonate peaceful truths, reconsider violent non-objectivity" CognateOfUr It has been brought to the attention of the proto-civilians of the region of the Tigris-Euphrates that at the event of the 21st Century AD much of our culture's 5000 plus years of future invention & evolution of civilization will be lost, forgotten, erased, appropriated, burned, americanized, exploited, & trampled on. In 3000 BCE The BABYLON MINISTRY OF MISINFORMATION had the vision to initiate a node to witness & remember the fragments of glyphs, signs, letterforms, ledgers, tablets, proclamations, lyrics & texts which repeated Expansionist-Nations will seek to overthrow. We are seeking the inventive actions of all artists & poets of the future to help remember WhatCouldBe . http://www.spidertangle.net/phpwiki/index.php/ BabylonMinistryOfMisinformation ________________________________________________________________________ _____________________________ Basic information on how to work in a wiki http://www.spidertangle.net/phpwiki/index.php/HowToUseWiki ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:44:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: miekal and Subject: City of Peace Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Founded in AD762 by Abu Jafar al-Mansur, the second Abbasid caliph, the city of Baghdad was originally built on the west bank of the Tigris River. Circular walls enclosed the city and, although its original name was Madinat as-Salam (City of Peace), it was more popularly known as the Round City." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:59:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Ashcroft quote verification??? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "Whatever Iraqi civilians - and soldiers for that matter - who die by our bombs, they will soon know, bless their souls, that we bombed them to save them." John Ashcroft, United States Attorney General. Is this a malicious joke, or did he, or could Ashcroft actually have said this in private, or, at least, in the privacy of his church? It does not sound like anything he could have said publicly without risking a huge international embarrassment for this nation's stated war objectives, suspect as many already consider those themselves to be. Does anybody know the source of this other than sometimes questionable cyber roots? The way US planes are ruthlessly attacking Bagdad, I begin to wonder the motives of anything in this Administration's deck. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:19:53 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Commission Begins To Explain Away 9/11 Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Commission Begins To Explain Away 9/11: U.S. Foreign Policy In No Way At Fault For 9/11 As Body Count In Middle East Soars: Because Of Resistance U.S. Declares All Iraqi Deaths Suicides By MANNY MOUTHHEWS The Assassinated Press March 31, 2003, 10:41 AM EST They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:09:33 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: History as BTW: Sara de Ibanez,"en mitad de la batalla" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain and after sucking dry the hourglass feeder I was a narrow aisle of learning and U Eco: If two things are similar, the one can become the sign for the other and vice versa. ... The word pig is neither similar to a swine... nor to Noriega or Ceauscescu [but] I can use the word pig to designate one of the above mentioned gentlemen. and W Benjamin: this amazement that the things we are experiencing are "still" possible... is *not* philosophical ...unless... the view of history which gives rise to it is untenable. thus Sara de Ibanez, Isla en la tierra Al norte el frio y su jazmin quebrado. Al este un ruisenor lleno de espinas. Al sur la rosa en sus aereas minas, y al oeste un camino ensimismado. Al norte un angel yace amordazado. Al este el llanto ordena sus neblinas. Al sur mi tierno haz de palmas finas, y al oeste mi puerta y mi cuidado. Pudo un vuelo de nube o de suspiro trazar esta finisima frontera que defiende sin mengua mi retiro. Un lejano castigo de ola estalla y muerde tus olvidos de extranjera, mi isla seca en mitad de la batalla. in/trans by Inez Probert: To the north, the cold and its broken jasmin. To the east, a nightingale full of thorns. To the south, the rose in its subtle abundance, to the west a pensive road. To the north, an angle lies silenced. To the east, weeping arranges its mists. To the south, my tender packet of fine palms, to the west, my door and caution. Maybe the flight of a cloud, or a sigh, might trace this frontier that defends my retreat bravely. A distant wave of punishment explodes and gnaws at your strange forgetfulness, my dry island in the midst of the battle. Chris Murray notyaoming@yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:50:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ron.silliman@VERIZON.NET Subject: Publishers Weekly - Nations of the Mind: Poetry, Publishing and Public Debate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron Silliman (ron.silliman@verizon.net) has sent you an article. Personal message: Poets assert their role in the national discussion By Michael Scharf (who does an excellent job) Nations of the Mind: Poetry, Publishing and Public Debate Read the full article at:=20 http://publishersweekly.reviewsnews.com/index.asp?layout=3Darticle&articl= eid=3DCA288232&