========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 23:26:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The hawks have disappeared. The wasps are thread-waisted. Both Camille & I were stung repeatedly by large angry black wasps yesterday who have built a hive in our doorway. I chased them away with a stick. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:58:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: The Intention of Good Leaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Intention of Good Leaders Eve said God below meantime existence more fact Svarajya pomegranate animals less system proper fit call addressed show animals less fear forefathers fear forefathers system proper fit rational people come rational people come petition Thou garden to make clear to you Roccaleone own fears rational people come like major part snatching worshipped hotline allegations hopeless even gave they got property call addressed show grateful Destruction like major part hopeless even gave hotline allegations grateful Destruction reasons think get. 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Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 03:08:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: The Secret of Longevity MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Secret of Longevity rainbow diarrhoea sin idea idea Jos rainbow diarrhoea sin idea idea Jos rainbow diarrhoea sin idea idea Jos dis help come some judgement prawn customy speculative poke poke shilling master says never use dis help come some judgement dis help come some judgement prawn customy speculative poke poke shilling master says never use dis help come some judgement paste divert loss Iden gadfly income rank amidst chiefest nobles envelop income istribution offer those other side Head being smugglers offer those other side Head being envelop income istribution envelop income istribution offer those other side Head being smugglers offer those other side Head being envelop income istribution pure plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off puncture wish granted plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off evils pure plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off puncture wish granted plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off evils pure plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off puncture wish granted plum face indeed perhaps well thus mate play-off evils thou hast made North South Tabor lecture jury plant Tis bad policy union saddle ledgers add up fortune Tis bad policy union thou hast made North South Tabor thou hast made North South Tabor lecture jury plant Tis bad policy union saddle ledgers add up fortune Tis bad policy union thou hast made North South Tabor envelop income istribution offer those other side Head being smugglers offer those other side Head being envelop income istribution table Unite Hecate-can son say more? wished wished horses looked back thee Elzevir table table Unite Hecate-can son say more? wished wished horses looked back thee Elzevir table Grace Maskew decompressed sixteen each proboscis Grace Maskew Grace Maskew decompressed sixteen each proboscis Grace Maskew Grace Maskew decompressed sixteen each proboscis Grace Maskew standing retreat where wanted Indeed soon loathsome up further inquiry foot home clock loathsome says slowly standing standing retreat where wanted Indeed soon loathsome up further inquiry foot home clock loathsome says slowly standing table Unite Hecate-can son say more? wished wished horses looked back thee Elzevir table came scorched nineteen chances score cannot crown thee took coin pocket careless voices knowing cause crown thee took coin pocket re-energise Nor e'er robbed spoils bequest came scorched came scorched nineteen chances score cannot crown thee took coin pocket careless voices knowing cause crown thee took coin pocket re-energise Nor e'er robbed spoils bequest came scorched slurp suitcase f-scene reminded one those dreadful f-scene reminded one those dreadful tenth slurp suitcase slurp suitcase f-scene reminded one those dreadful f-scene reminded one those dreadful tenth slurp suitcase slurp suitcase f-scene reminded one those dreadful f-scene reminded one those dreadful tenth slurp suitcase strategy age floor easy baby august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 07:52:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: WNBC on My Aim is Boog Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi All, Randomly this cool dude from NBC came to our My Aim is Boog show the other night, and now, lo and behold, look what's up on their web site: http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/2373645/detail.html -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:59:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: Haiku Skeptic In-Reply-To: <000101c35806$48617360$4014d8cb@ahadada.gol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- jesse glass wrote: > Hi Bob--No, the Japanese know exactly what they mean > by haiku. There's no > confusion on that issue. Everyone from truck > drivers to bank presidents > will count out 5/7/5 on their fingers for you if you > ask. Are you saying all Japanese haiku are 5/7/5, Jess!? Gah. For one thing, I thought there was all kinds of controversy in Japan about whether certain punctuation marks or the equivalent should count as syllables or not, etc. I think my final quick word would be that, yes, no Enlgish-language poets can make a Japanese haiku in English that's as good as a Japanese haiku in Japanese. But I'm with Mark in believing that there are English-language haiku that must be as good as an Japanese haiku--because they seem to me as good as any English poem I know, and I can't believe any other language has better poetry than mine. Here's one of many I'm starting to think of. It's by Jonathan Brannen. I comment on it all the time: Temple Bells a petal a peal (I would add that there are English translations of Japanese haiku that I consider as good as any other English-language poems I know--which suggests to me that the translations gained some English-speaking resonances to make up for the Japanese ones the originals had that were lost in translation. And maybe some concision due to the abstractness of English lettering compared with Japanese charactry, a different but equal value.) --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 05:06:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: Fwd: New from Traverse Press/Visual Poetry, Assemblage Exhibit In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Congratz on book and exhibit, Dave. Do post any reviews that show up, especially of the exhibit, as I--for one--am particularly interested in what visual art critics have to say about visual poetry. Fascinating post on haiku you just did, too. --Bob G. > New from Traverse: > > > > >TRAVERSE supplement no. 1 - Will Alexander and Alan > Semerdjian: poems plus > >interview. Loose leaf 8.5 X 11 contained in a red > file folder with a color > >image from Dave Chirot, a Polaroid, and various > ephemera. Ltd. $6 + $3 s&h. > >To inquire or order please email Drew Kunz at > traverse@arcticmail.com. > > > >TRAVERSE supplement no. 2 - Dave Chirot, ZERO POEM. > 16pp. Visual poem on > >loose leaf 8.5 X 11 in stamped USAGAIN envelope. > Ltd. 150 for gallery show > >at the Jody Monroe, Milwaukee. $5 + $3 s&h. To > inquire or order please > >email Drew Kunz at traverse@arcticmail.com. > > > > Jody Monroe Gallery presents works by Amanda > Ross-Ho (Chicago) & David > Baptiste Chirot > > > (Milwaukee) > Amanda Ross-Ho: Photography, drawing, > assemblages > David Baptiste Chirot: Spray paintings, visual > poetry, street rubbings, > collages, intersign works, sound poetry scores, > display of visual poetry > books: ZERO POEM TEARERSISM THE DEAD SEE > SCRAWLS > > OPENING 26 jULY 2003, 3-7 ON DISPLAY THROUGH > 6 SEPTMEBER 2003 > Jody Monroe Gallery 631 E. 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DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:27:36 -0400 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: Ear Inn Readings--August 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ear Inn Readings Saturdays at 3:00 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway--C,E/Spring; 1,9/Canal; N,R/Prince August 2 Jane McCreery, Ellen Smith, Michael Wurster August 9 Samuel Amadon, Alfredo Franco, Michael Schiavo August 16 Jennifer Chapis, Josh Goldfadden August 23 Publishing Triangle: Charles Flowers, Carol Rosenfeld, Sarah Van Arsdale August 30 Poetry Smackdown: Jennifer Knox, Ada Limon, Jason Schneiderman ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:40:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: <57165609-C3D8-11D7-A257-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { > { > The hawks have disappeared. The wasps are thread-waisted. { { { Both Camille & I were stung repeatedly by large angry black wasps { yesterday who have built a hive in our doorway. I chased them away { with a stick. While speaking softly, no doubt. I myself was stung by a wasp up in Maine a week or so ago. I bellowed loudly and put it to death immediately. Bit me on my left foot, right through my sock, the little evil-doing terrorist. Hal Colourless green ideas sleep furiously. --Noam Chomsky Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:47:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: The future of the train. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The wasps in Ankara are ravenous, swarming beasts. My wife got stung on the foot last week. She cursed and then killed the wasp. Then a comrade of the dead wasp came and carried the carcass away. Since then I've been wondering: What do wasps do with their dead? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:54:27 -0400 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: Ear Inn This Saturday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, This week's Ear Inn Reading is an all-Pittsburgh lineup of special guest poets, so I wanted to make a special effort to invite you poetry afficianados and connoisseurs to this reading. Michael Wurster's collections of poetry are Snake Charmer's Daughter (2000) and The Cruelty of the Desert (1990). Jane McCreery's chapbook, Before the Fever, was published in 1999; her work can also be found in the anthology Doors of the Morning (1997). Ellen Smith's work has received the Zone 3 Rainmaker Award and the HyperAge Ascher Montandon Award. I hope you can make it. Yours, Michael The Ear Inn Readings Saturdays at 3:00 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway--C,E/Spring; 1,9/Canal; N,R/Prince ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:03:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: <57165609-C3D8-11D7-A257-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 11:26 PM -0500 7/31/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >>The hawks have disappeared. The wasps are thread-waisted. > > >Both Camille & I were stung repeatedly by large angry black wasps >yesterday who have built a hive in our doorway. I chased them away >with a stick. last time i was at dreamtime village i was stung repeatedly by one furious bee when i was weeding in front of the post office. they seemed to live in a hole somewhere along the right egde of the front of the house. its energy and sense of purpose was astonishing. -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:34:33 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When bees go postal. Film at 11. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003, Maria Damon wrote: > > last time i was at dreamtime village i was stung repeatedly by one > furious bee when i was weeding in front of the post office. they > seemed to live in a hole somewhere along the right egde of the front > of the house. its energy and sense of purpose was astonishing. > > > > -- > -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:19:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Face Fued Will....Mo Po News... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cindy Adams... NY Post..p16... funeral of Carol widow Walter Matthau of grief grief over THE WILL ARAM..son speak & refused financia..discontent kids & stepkids inclue ARAM.. 1st husband Saroyan.. Listen Light Light Light LIGHT drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:44:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: <005601c3582b$12698890$9452b38b@Moby> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/1/03 5:47 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: : > What do wasps do with their dead? Legend has it that remaining family members endow University Chairs and buildings to distinguish and honor their histories - whether stinging or otherwise. I hear a rumor that Dr. Hilton Obenzinger - down at Stanford - is developing course materials on the history of this particular ritual. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:58:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: { brad brace } From: Poetics List Administration Subject: update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | |__| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| _| |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ |_ ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |_| _ |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| _ _/ | > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves no privilege to any center. The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $50/mo $500/yr. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/] -- (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:26:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: <20030728142249.86463.qmail@web40808.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >well versed in various forms and poetic >traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >form: like I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the hell can a poem contain it? -- George Bowering Ajar to suggestions. Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 10:31:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: The future of the train. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Stephen, This is not quite accurate. First you must kill the wasp, then you extract the venom, mix with gin, then inject into the university. I myself have offered to endow a wing of the library for incorrect ideas and absurd notions, but, sad to say, I'm not a wasp. Hilton At 08:44 AM 8/1/2003 -0700, Stephen Vincent wrote: >on 8/1/03 5:47 AM, Scott Pound at pounds@BILKENT.EDU.TR wrote: >: > > What do wasps do with their dead? > >Legend has it that remaining family members endow University Chairs and >buildings to distinguish and honor their histories - whether stinging or >otherwise. I hear a rumor that Dr. Hilton Obenzinger - down at Stanford - is >developing course materials on the history of this particular ritual. > >Stephen V ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:00:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: cocking a snook In-Reply-To: <000001c35703$1324c0c0$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I remember years ago we had a very enlightening conversation about >snogging. Now the Brits are cocking a snook, or having a snook cocked at >them. What can it mean? Not simply a "now"/ they have been doing that forever. It means brazenly doing an act that will piss off the powerful. -- George Bowering Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:16:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: employment opportunity: from U of Az Poetry Center Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Call for Applications Visiting Poet for Preschool Classes The Poetry Center is hiring a teacher/poet for a new Poets-in-Preschool Program. The Visiting Poet will regularly meet with four to six preschool classes (4 year-old) for the 2003-2004 academic year. The Visiting Poet will teach poetry lessons to the preschoolers and familiarize teachers with children’s poetry and ways to teach poetry to pre-reading students. The Poetry Center will provide curriculum for 18 weeks and the Visiting Poet’s position may include curriculum development for the remaining 18 weeks of the academic year. Applicants must be well versed in poetry (!) and love working with children. Wage Range: $10-$14 / hour To apply for the Visiting Poet for Preschool Classes position, submit a cover letter and a résumé to Frances Sjoberg, University of Arizona Poetry Center, 1216 N. Cherry Ave., Tucson, AZ 85719. Your cover letter should outline your interest in working for the Poets-in-Preschool Program as well as your relationship to poetry and to kids. Application Deadline: August 15, 2003 For more information call 520/626-3765 or email poetry@u.arizona.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:43:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: Re: ghazal file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >>certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >>picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >>well versed in various forms and poetic >>traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >>notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >>form: like >I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a >poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a >rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I >can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's >poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the >hell can a poem contain it? >George Bowering >Ajar to suggestions. >Fax 604-266-9000 George, There's this thing called an iambic penta(contain-)met-er; this iam-container contains the words that fill the iam-penta-contain-meter to the brim in any given line of iambic pentameter, such as a line of Shakespeare. Then there's projective verse, practioners of which attempt to break the contain-meter of iams and let the words spill out all over the blank page, but not necessarily like Apollinaire's rain or, for example, words knit up like an Arabic calligraphic pear. Furthermore, the initial practioners put the results of all this on paper via a typewriter. Also, the projectivists believe that they break the iam-container by ejaculating words and phrases according to the systole and diastole of the heart and the inhalation and exhalation of breath. I hope this was of some help. Matt Keenan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 11:56:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Mr. Stafford" Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii you are too literal. George Bowering wrote:>when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >well versed in various forms and poetic >traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >form: like I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the hell can a poem contain it? -- George Bowering Ajar to suggestions. Fax 604-266-9000 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 15:14:47 -0400 Reply-To: chapman0603@rogers.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Organization: Chapman Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: <20030801185615.49576.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that a true fact George Bowering? Are you too literal? My whole thesis will have to change: "Canadian postmodernism has been a long process of debeaverization, beavers being CanadianContent wherever they appear." If beavers are references how do they build dams? -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Mr. Stafford Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:56 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: ghazal file you are too literal. George Bowering wrote:>when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >well versed in various forms and poetic >traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >form: like I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the hell can a poem contain it? -- George Bowering Ajar to suggestions. Fax 604-266-9000 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 12:18:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Pamela Lu email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit still trying to find current email for Pamela Lu . . . mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:16:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tracy S. Ruggles" Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 01:26 PM, George Bowering wrote: >> when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >> certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >> picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >> well versed in various forms and poetic >> traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >> notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >> form: like > > I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a > poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a > rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I > can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's > poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the > hell can a poem contain it? the form of a cup and the coffee content is not analogous to the form (typesetting/vocalization/gesture) of a poem and the "content" of the meaning we make with the transition it makes into our sensory locale. in this sense, you could say that there is no content in form. --t ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 13:50:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George wrote: >| if it flows through the mind, how the >| hell can a poem contain it? Look at it this way: even though there is a mountain under your feet, you still have to climb it. The content is the *potential* the audience themselves bring to life in the poem. Just like the 'you can't step in the same river twice' metaphor, although content/experience flows through the mind it nevertheless has a place to go. Chris wrote: >| If beavers are references >| how do they build dams? This pretty much explains it. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:39:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: not a wasp Comments: cc: WRYTING-L Disciplines In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030801102604.0269f4d8@hobnzngr.pobox.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What was left of the Wasp ended up in a visible field, but not much Echo decided debate and not enough queen forced to find years before, too ill to exchange the unpredictable. This book is supposed to be flowery, administered like those not excerpted, she explained, comes from pressure that it's not the Evolution of wisdom by Plants. However, a parasitic wasp is being unsightly, but suffered substantial Skinny dipping among the catalpa trees. The awful thing about coming home is not opening for a Shine's tiny gold emblazoned with "Everything's Not Lost"; not released, retired his wife's eyes after intentionally or not, The Way We Were hits on a dark truth, its privileged moment defiled by contact with renaissance and I could feel air conditioning with not a drop I thought. Someone had been getting the word out by the garden. A respondent answered that it was probably a cicada not often addressed by historians. In fact a bastion of social power set fire to roof timbers. We would advise strongly anyone trying an improvised flame thrower thinking about a career in only insects which can cause problems. Then you mention how much she smokes and the usual girl story as the name implies, people sting not only to protect themselves, but to protect their entire ethnic humor. Dynamic is able to invoke a service that was not known prior to serious danger of folding and could not. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:25:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: ghazal file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You put the content there when you come to read the poem. It's not so simple when you're writing one. But as we know, the reader will seldom find the same content that you did. how's life as the Laureate? And where have you moved to? Worrried, Broms -----Original Message----- From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: ghazal file >>when I think of "content should dictate the form" I >>certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >>picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >>well versed in various forms and poetic >>traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >>notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >>form: like > >I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a >poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a >rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I >can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's >poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the >hell can a poem contain it? >-- >George Bowering >Ajar to suggestions. >Fax 604-266-9000 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:29:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Fwd: Nerve Lantern call for volunteers / please forward Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Begin forwarded message: > From: "Ellen Redbird" > Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 5:28:12 PM US/Pacific > To: ellen@pyriformpress.com > Subject: Nerve Lantern call for volunteers / please forward > > Please Forward as Appropriate. > > Attention dear literary people and Nerve Lantern enthusiasts: > > This is a call for volunteers! > > To make Nerve Lantern reach a wider audience and serve more members of=20= > literary and other arts communities, I need help. Did I think I was=20 > super-human or something? Although I already do receive much needed=20 > help for which I am grateful, I finally have to admit that, in regards=20= > to stuff I=92ve been trying to tackle alone, I don=92t have the time,=20= > energy, or resources to help Nerve Lantern truly reach its full=20 > potential for community building or for getting contributors=92 work = out=20 > in the world (work that deserves a larger readership!) There is so=20 > much on my list for Nerve Lantern, so much learning I need to do, so=20= > much passion and vision pounding at the exit doors of my little brain,=20= > and yet, for some crazy reason I have to tax myself elsewhere to make=20= > money so I can eat. Can you help me? (Yes, I do accept free=20 > industry-standard prepackaged baked goods, as well as advice.) > > I am looking for help in researching and doing the leg work in the=20 > categories of promotion, distribution, funding, networking, and events=20= > planning for Nerve Lantern, annual journal of experimental performance=20= > literature. If you are interested, please read this message and email=20= > an informal introduction/resume/application-type-thing to:=20 > ellen@pyriformpress.com . Also, feel free to email me any questions=20 > you might have. > > ***I=92m looking for people who: > > 1) Believe in what Nerve Lantern is about. If you don=92t know about=20= > Nerve Lantern, please visit: http://www.pyriformpress.com/nl.html > > 2) Are passionate about building literary and other arts community=20 > around performance. > > 3) Have a talent for / interest in experimental, edgy,=20 > multidimensional, cross-genre text forms. > > 4) Are already active in literary communities as one or more of the=20 > following: writer, scholar, editor, bookmaker, small press publisher,=20= > performer, (or surprise me!) > > 5) Either have experience in any of the kinds of help I=92m looking = for=20 > (promotion, distribution, funding, networking, events planning) or=20 > will energetically learn-by-doing. > > 6) Like to work collaboratively in a team. > > 7) Have good communication skills and can keep up with their=20 > designated correspondence concerning Nerve Lantern. > > 8) Are willing to teach me and other volunteers what they know and=20 > learn. > > 9) Understand that, as much as I=92d like to, I can=92t pay them money = in=20 > return. Along with a few donations from others (bless them!), I pay=20 > for Nerve Lantern out of my pocket. Through sales and donations, I=20 > have yet to earn back most of the money I spend on materials. Though=20= > not officially a not-for-profit, no profit is made. > > ***What volunteering for Nerve Lantern can offer you: > > 1) Experience working for a small press publisher. You could put it on=20= > your resume, make business cards, say =93It=92s quite rewarding, = really,=94=20 > express excitement, and feel impressive. > 2) Connections to people and organizations in literary and other arts=20= > communities. > 3) A free copy of every issue of Nerve Lantern you help me with. > 4) Nerve Lantern web site links to your web sites, as appropriate to=20= > the aims of Nerve Lantern. > 5) Your name in metaphorical lights. > 6) My undying gratitude. > > Also: If you have experience running a business or nonprofit and would=20= > like to set Pyriform Press up so that it actually makes enough money=20= > to pay for materials and employment, including your=20 > position...hallelujah! I can dream, can=92t I? > > ***Details about what activities your volunteer work could possibly=20 > include (you might notice that these categories overlap quite a bit): > > 1) PROMOTION: contact and send out fliers and emails to organizations=20= > and community networks that might be interested in knowing about=20 > submissions and ordering copies; contact and place ads in literary=20 > journals; negotiate link exchange with literary web sites; table at=20 > literary and performance art events; send Nerve Lantern to lit=20 > journal reviewers. > > 2) DISTRIBUTION: help me understand how to get an ISSN# for a journal=20= > that has already published three issues (questions include: can the=20 > number be stickered to back issues? can you help me make sense of the=20= > forms that need to be filled out?); contact libraries, bookstores, and=20= > other venues/vehicles about including Nerve Lantern on their shelves;=20= > learn about small press distributors and how to utilize them; help me=20= > keep tabs on book sales. > > 3) FUNDING: contact organizations, community networks, and individuals=20= > asking for donations; learn how other small press publishers raise or=20= > earn money; help me with my accounts; write grants; organize benefits. > > 4) NETWORKING: contact and make friendly, mutually beneficial=20 > relationships with literary orgs and communities, publishers,=20 > directors of theaters and other arts venues, writers, editors,=20 > performers, university programs, etc.; add to mailing lists; propose=20= > to me, based on your networking, a possibility for collaboration=20 > between the Nerve Lantern community and some other community; research=20= > and keep me posted on what=92s going on in areas of interest in = relation=20 > to Nerve Lantern. > > 5) EVENTS PLANNING: organize more Nerve Lantern performances;=20 > coordinate with other literary and performance art events; research=20 > venues; plan in cooperation with anyone volunteering in the categories=20= > mentioned above. > > Remember, you wouldn=92t have to take on ALL the duties listed above.=20= > I=92m hoping to organize a team of volunteers to share the work. > > Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope you will apply=20 > (unfortunately your application does not guarantee I will enlist your=20= > help--but I am open to accepting many forms of generosity, so don=92t=20= > feel shy). In any event, please forward this message along as=20 > appropriate. > > Thanks again! > > Best wishes, > Ellen Redbird > > Pyriform Press Editor of Nerve Lantern > Reply to: ellen@pyriformpress.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* =20 > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 21:12:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: ghazal file MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT What the always insightful Jack Foley says about form and experience in his review of Christian Wiman's _The Long Home_ bears usefully on the present discussion: http://www.alsopreview.com/foley/jfwiman.html Daniel Zimmerman amaze merlin mind ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bowering" To: Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 2:26 PM Subject: Re: ghazal file > >when I think of "content should dictate the form" I > >certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern > >picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer > >well versed in various forms and poetic > >traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the > >notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate > >form: like > > I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a > poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a > rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I > can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's > poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the > hell can a poem contain it? > -- > George Bowering > Ajar to suggestions. > Fax 604-266-9000 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 22:09:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: unutterable fragility of life, unutterable chaos of love MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unutterable fragility of life, unutterable chaos of love unuttheyr bodyes ptheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginningound togeththeir bodies goneable chaos optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! lovee hztrateg+ brunette ptheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginningraylt+ optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! lyptheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninge lond01 da+ optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! 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Did poure into his Lemans lap so fast/And homebred euill ye desire to heare/And said Ah Sir my liege Lord and my loue/All suddenly about his body wound/Fly to your faith for succour and sure ayde/And often knockt his brest as one that did repent/For all so deare as life is to my hart/The Aspine good for staues the Cypresse funerall/What frayes ye that were wont to comfort me affrayd. Her swollen hart her speach seemd to bereaue/Be well aware quoth then that Ladie milde/Ah Ladie said he shame were to reuoke/At length they chaunst to meet vpon the way/Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame/So pure and innocent as that same lambe/Had made a Lady of that other Spright/Of such as drunke her life the which them nurst. And lifting vp his lompish head with blame/Her doubtfull words made that redoubted knight/A cloud of combrous gnattes do him molest/And fittest for to forge true-seeming lyes/As Lyon fierce vpon the flying pray/Till that some end they finde or in or out/Of sundry shapes yet all ill fauored. A fit false dreame that can delude the sleepers sent/His gall did grate for griefe and high disdaine/A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine/Whose loftie trees yclad with sommers pride/Armed to point sought backe to turne againe/By them the Sprite doth passe in quietly/What frayes ye that were wont to comfort me affrayd/God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endlesse traine/The fearefull Dwarfe this is no place for liuing men/The caruer Holme the Maple seeldom inward sound/Of ancient kings and queenes that had of yore/She lookt about and seeing one in mayle. Vnder a vele that wimpled was full low/Ah my deare Sonne quoth he how should alas/And Poets sage the Firre that weepeth still/Sucking vpon her poisonous dugs each one/Amid the bowels of the earth full steepe/That wasteth all this countrey farre and neare/Did spred so broad that heauens light did hide/That weaker sence it could haue rauisht quight/But forth vnto the darksome hole he went/Where cause is none but to your rest depart. A fit false dreame that can delude the sleepers sent/So slyding softly forth she turnd as to her ease/Her filthy parbreake all the place defiled has/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/Wherein the Hermite dewly wont to say/Quoth then that aged man the way to win. With timely pride aboue the Aegyptian vale/So with that godly father to his home they went/And proou'd your strength on a strong enimie/Yet armes till that time did he neuer wield/Vpon his foe a Dragon horrible and stearne/The caruer Holme the Maple seeldom inward sound/And made him dreame of loues and lustfull play/To aide his friends or fray his enimies/The one of them he gaue a message too/Yea but quoth she the perill of this place/Amid the thickest woods The Champion stout. Deuoure their dam on whom while so he gazd/That when he heard in great perplexitie/Were stretcht now forth at length without entraile/There was an holy chappell edifyde/Now needeth him no lenger labour spend/And often knockt his brest as one that did repent/But hasty heat tempring with sufferance wise. Who nought aghast his mightie hand enhaunst/The builder Oake sole king of forrests all/Yet thus perforce he bids me do or die/Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame/And angry Ioue an hideous storme of raine/And homebred euill ye desire to heare/Which when the valiant Elfe perceiu'd he lept/Of ancient Kings and Queenes that had of yore/Vnder blake stole hyding her bayted hooke/So slyding softly forth she turnd as to her ease/Her mournefull plaintes beguiled of her art/And like to lead the labyrinth about. And vnto morpheus comes whom drowned deepe/Vnder a vele that wimpled was full low/Yet thus perforce he bids me do or die/And made him dreame of loues and lustfull play/Eftsoones dismounted from his courser braue/Their dam vpstart out of her den effraide. And halfe enraged at her shamelesse guise/Her all in white he clad and ouer it/The fearefull Dwarfe this is no place for liuing men/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde/But with his clownish hands their tender wings/Which therein shrouded from the tempest dred/Whose sences all were straight benumbd and starke/The other all with siluer ouercast/Vertue giues her selfe light through darkenesse for to wade/As gentle Shepheard in sweete euen-tide. Eftsoones dismounted from his courser braue/And forth he cald out of deepe darknesse dred/Huge heapes of mudd he leaues wherein there breed/Your first aduenture many such I pray/The youthfull knight could not for ought be staide/He told of Saintes and Popes and euermore/But full of fire and greedy hardiment/Strangle her else she sure will strangle thee. The Anatomy Of The Western World #0002 Bidding his beades all day for his trespas/And perill without show therefore your stroke/And halfe enraged at her shamelesse guise/Whereat he gan to stretch but he againe/And said Faire knight borne vnder happy starre/Remounted vp as light as chearefull Larke/And said Faire knight borne vnder happy starre/But when his later spring gins to auale/At last resoluing forward still to fare. They cannot finde that path which first was showne/Long way he trauelled before he heard of ought/And dead as liuing euer him ador'd/Her filthy parbreake all the place defiled has/His foes haue slaine themselues with whom he should contend/All cleane dismayd to see so vncouth sight/His Ladie seeing all that chaunst from farre/As much disdayning to the curbe to yield/The noblest mind the best contentment has/Her fawning loue with foule disdainefull spight/Of such as drunke her life the which them nurst. Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame/Watching to banish Care their enimy/Weening their wonted entrance to haue found/Then rudely he him thrust and pusht with paine/Of swarming Bees did cast him in a swowne/And fram'd of liquid ayre her tender partes/The messenger approching to him spake/And mightie causes wrought in heauen aboue/Captiu'd to fortune and frayle worldly feares/Of swarming Bees did cast him in a swowne. A little lowly hermitage it was/May euer passe but thorough great distresse/But hasty heat tempring with sufferance wise/Legions of Sprights the which like little flyes/That when he heard in great perplexitie/Watching to banish Care their enimy/A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine/Hymen iô Hymen dauncing all around/Bathed in wanton blis and wicked ioy/Full of great lumpes of flesh and gobbets raw/Ay wont in desert darknesse to remaine/In hast vnto his Lord where he him left afore. Doth euer wash and Cynthia still doth steepe/Or the blind God that doth me thus amate/Yet she much whiter but the same did hide/Resolv'd in minde all suddenly to win/With loathly frogs and toades which eyes did lacke/Shall I accuse the hidden cruell fate/With bowres and beds and Ladies deare delight/But th'other halfe did womans shape retaine/You whom my hard auenging destinie/When ruddy phoebus gins to welke in west/Where when all drownd in deadly sleepe he findes/When ruddy Phoebus gins to welke in west. He passed forth and new aduenture sought/Arriued there the little house they fill/Approcht in hast to greet his victorie/May euer passe but thorough great distresse/I better wot then you though now too late/Who nought aghast his mightie hand enhaunst/Whiles sad Night ouer him her mãtle black doth spred/So pure and innocent as that same lambe/So with that godly father to his home they went/Such vgly monstrous shapes elswhere may no man reed/Vnder a vele that wimpled was full low. Vntill the blustring storme is ouerblowne/And cursed heauen and spake reprochfull shame/Fly to your faith for succour and sure ayde/quoth then that aged man the way to win/But wander too and fro in wayes vnknowne/Who oft is wont to trouble gentle Sleepe/As still are wont t'annoy the walled towne/And cursed heauen and spake reprochfull shame/Amid the bowels of the earth full steepe/His dwelling is by which no liuing wight. In secret anguish and vnpittied plaint/Of a straunge man I can you tidings tell/Great Gorgon Prince of darknesse and dead night/Which of all earthly things he most did craue/Least suddaine mischiefe ye too rash prouoke/Vntroubled night they say giues counsell best/But on his brest a bloudie Crosse he bore/A little lowly Hermitage it was/Where when all drownd in deadly sleepe he findes/Downe in a dale hard by a forests side/He strowd an Aue-Mary after and before/For that old man of pleasing wordes had store. With that misformed spright he backe returnd againe/Armed to point sought backe to turne againe/So liuely and so like in all mens sight/Amid the bowels of the earth full steepe/Behind her farre away a Dwarfe did lag/So slyding softly forth she turnd as to her ease/But his wast wordes returnd to him in vaine/Faire venus seemde vnto his bed to bring/Therefore I read beware Fly fly quoth then. With that misformed spright he backe returnd againe/Loue of your selfe she said and deare constraint/The caruer Holme the Maple seeldom inward sound/With timely pride aboue the aegyptian vale/He bad awake blacke Plutoes griesly Dame. The messenger approching to him spake/Yet was in knots and many boughtes vpwound/For that old man of pleasing wordes had store/Cast a blacke stole most like to seeme for Vna fit/With faire discourse the euening so they pas/And often knockt his brest as one that did repent/Where he slept soundly void of euill thought/That greatest Glorious Queene of Faerie lond/Vpon a great aduenture he was bond/And dead as liuing euer him ador'd/That promist ayde the tempest to withstand. Whose semblance she did carrie vnder feigned hew/And said Ah Sir my liege Lord and my loue/Ne let vaine feares procure your needlesse smart/And on his litle winges the dreame he bore/For to all knighthood it is foule disgrace/Therefore with me ye may take vp your In/That for my sake vnknowne such griefe vnto you grew/Groning full deadly all with troublous feare/His heauie head deuoide of carefull carke/Yet kindling rage her selfe she gathered round/That euery wight to shrowd it did constrain/Wherein the Hermite dewly wont to say/Shooke him so hard that forced him to speake. The Anatomy Of The Western World #0003 He started vp as seeming to mistrust/They cannot finde that path which first was showne/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/To be the chastest flowre that ay did spring/Ay wont in desert darknesse to remaine/Where he slept soundly void of euill thought/And to him playnd how that false winged boy. Yet she much whiter but the same did hide/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde/Die is my dew yet rew my wretched state/Be well aware quoth then that Ladie milde/And cursed heauen and spake reprochfull shame/Arriued there the little house they fill/Wherein the Hermite dewly wont to say. Vpon a great aduenture he was bond/Whiles you in carelesse sleepe are drowned quight/And then againe begun My weaker yeares/Y cladd in mightie armes and siluer shielde/And well could file his tongue as smooth as glas/A shadie groue not far away they spide/And said Faire knight borne vnder happy starre. Legions of Sprights the which like little flyes/The Sunne that measures heauen all day long/At night doth baite his steedes the Ocean waues emong/Breedes dreadfull doubts oft fire is without smoke/Gathred themselues about her body round/He faire the knight saluted louting low/Might there be heard but carelesse Quiet lyes/To proue his sense and tempt her faigned truth. That such a cursed creature liues so long a space/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde/And henceforth euer wish that like succeed it may/Such vgly monstrous shapes elswhere may no man reed/Whose semblance she did carrie vnder feigned hew/Of swarming Bees did cast him in a swowne/And by descent from Royall lynage came/The maker selfe for all his wondrous witt. For this same night The knight was well content/The Sprite then gan more boldly him to wake/So liuely and so like in all mens sight/That makes them doubt their wits be not their owne/His Ladie seeing all that chaunst from farre/Who all this while with charmes and hidden artes/Amid the bowels of the earth full steepe/Let me not dye in languor and long teares/Bathed in wanton blis and wicked ioy/And forth he cald out of deepe darknesse dred. Much can they prayse the trees so straight and hy/Captiu'd to fortune and frayle worldly feares/Then rudely he him thrust and pusht with paine/His Ladie seeing all that chaunst from farre/So pure and innocent as that same lambe/As when old father Nilus gins to swell/No other noyse nor peoples troublous cryes/Bathed in wanton blis and wicked ioy/Why Dame quoth he what hath ye thus dismayd/He taught to imitate that Lady trew/For hoped loue to winne me certaine hate/To Morpheus house doth hastily repaire/Is wisely to aduise now day is spent/As one for knightly giusts and fierce encounters fitt/That troublous dreame gan freshly tosse his braine. Vpon his foe and his new force to learne/That detestable sight him much amazde/That detestable sight him much amazde/And turning fierce her speckled taile aduaunst/Breedes dreadfull doubts oft fire is without smoke/And euer-drizling raine vpon the loft/His grasping hold and from her turne him backe. The one faire fram'd of burnisht Yuory/His forces faile ne can no longer fight/They flocked all about her bleeding wound/Sucking vpon her poisonous dugs each one/The one faire fram'd of burnisht Yuory/In sort as he him schooled priuily/Their bellies swolne he saw with fulnesse burst. The one of them he gaue a message too/Or the blind God that doth me thus amate/Ye all forwearied be for what so strong/The drouping Night thus creepeth on them fast/They flocked all about her bleeding wound/Both for her noble bloud and for her tender youth/Now sayd the Lady draweth toward night/In this great passion of vnwonted lust/Yet nothing did he dread but euer was ydrad/She was in life and euery vertuous lore. And with false shewes abuse his fantasy/Her fawning loue with foule disdainefull spight/The other all with siluer ouercast/Of sundry shapes yet all ill fauored/And halfe enraged at her shamelesse guise/Soone as that vncouth light vpon them shone/His gall did grate for griefe and high disdaine/The Sprite then gan more boldly him to wake/Halfe angry asked him for what he came/His gall did grate for griefe and high disdaine/Of such said he I chiefly do inquere/Yet was in knots and many boughtes vpwound/Not all content yet seemd she to appease/Sober he seemde and very sagely sad. Their bellies swolne he saw with fulnesse burst/That troublous dreame gan freshly tosse his braine/Mixt with a murmuring winde much like the sowne/Ioying to heare the birdes sweete harmony/To aide his friends or fray his enimies/In hast vnto his lord where he him left afore/Approcht in hast to greet his victorie. Her fawning loue with foule disdainefull spight/Now when that ydle dreame was to him brought/But his wast wordes returnd to him in vaine/Great Gorgon Prince of darknesse and dead night/With holy father sits not with such things to mell/In drowsie fit he findes of nothing he takes keepe/Faire Venus seemde vnto his bed to bring/That path they take that beaten seemd most bare. She lookt about and seeing one in mayle/And mightie causes wrought in heauen aboue/Sweet slõbring deaw the which to sleepe them biddes/And this faire couple eke to shroud theselues were fain/That lasie seemd in being euer last/That soone to loose her wicked bands did her constraine/Mixt with a murmuring winde much like the sowne/That troublous dreame gan freshly tosse his braine/Their scepters stretcht from East to Westerne shore. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:55:23 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: ghazal file MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thoroughly enjoyed watching Matt educate Canada's poet laureate on pentameter. Are you cocking a snook if you do not intend to, or does it imply intention, that grandish awareness? George, when I see you in a poem, you are content. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 12:01:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Just another found poem: "Table of Money Value" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Table of Money Value 1 florin [or gulden] = 60 kreuzer 1 ducat = 4 1/2 florins 1 Reichsthaler = 1 1/2 florins 1 friedrich d'or = 7 to 8 florins 1 sequin = 2.8 florins 2 English shillings = 1 florin 1 English pound = 10 florins 1 louis d'or = 9 to 10 florins Rates vary somewhat owing to currency fluctuations. [source text: Maynard Solomon, *Mozart: A Life*] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:39:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Fwd: Rejected posting to POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >>Very much in need of an email address for Anselm Hollo. Please backchannel. >> >>Thank you, >>Andrea >>-- >>Andrea Baker >>Poetry Editor >>3rd Bed >>www.3rdbed.com > >Anselm is not answering e-mail right now. Try his mail address: >3336 14th St. >Boulder >Colorado 80304 >USA > >-- >George Bowering >Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats >Fax 604-266-9000 -- George Bowering Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:30:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: <002c01c3588c$b2f56c00$7a96ccd1@CeceliaBelle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >You put the content there when you come to read the poem. It's not so simple >when you're writing one. But as we know, the reader will seldom find the >same content that you did. > how's life as the Laureate? And where have you moved to? >Worrried, Broms Dont worry abt a thing, compadre. Jean and I have just spent a month crossing the continent inb my Volvo, including 4 days in your beloved Saskatchewan. Now we are in Port Colborne, Ont., a half-hour drive from Buffalo, but all the people have left Buffalo. Jeeze. I did visit Hemingway's grave, and Pound's birthplace, just down the road. -- George Bowering Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:38:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Saudi link to 9/11 highjackers and Al Qaeda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Today's NY Times reports: "The classified part of a Congressional report on the terrorist attacks = on Sept. 11, 2001, says that two Saudi citizens who had at least = indirect links with two hijackers were probably Saudi intelligence = agents and may have reported to Saudi government officials, according to = people who have seen the report." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/02/national/02SAUD.html?th Greg Palast's two cents: BUSH AND THE SAUDIS SITTIN' IN A TREE, KAY EYE ESS ESS EYE EN GEE Friday Aug 1, 2003 THE PRESIDENT EXEMPTS GAYS FROM MARRIAGE, SAUDIS FROM GUILT by Greg Palast www.gregpalast.com=20 Well, well, well. President George was in one hell of bind this week = when it turned that that Saudi Arabia funded Al Qaeda, not Iraq. = Realizing we'd invaded the wrong country, Bush did the honorable thing: = he's come out against gay marriages. This caused some real confusion in my staff where a gay member of our = investigations team announced he was changing his allegiance from Howard = Dean to George Bush. "Bush Saves Gays from Marriage! Bush Saves Gays!" = he rushed around the office beaming. "Gay people exempt from going to = in-laws for Thanksgiving dinner! Gay-mericans exempt from PTA meetings = and hiring divorce lawyers!" But then I had to bring him down to earth. ('Had to' because, while Bush = announced last month that our conquest of Iraq had made 'the world a = safer place', our President mentioned THIS week there's now a 'real = threat' of new Al Qaeda hijackings. So is America safer ? As long as one = stays indoors.) But here's the real kick in the head. Turns out that unlike the 18 = minutes missing from the Nixon tape, the 28 pages missing from Congress' = publicly released report on the September 11 attack has been found. And = it turns out to be a summary of Saudi Arabia's financing of terrorist = fronts including the 'charities' supporting Al Qaeda. And now, the New York Times tells us, the US Senate has been embarrassed = into holding hearings on those Saudi charity fronts including one named = WAMY. Of course, this is ancient news to those who watched my report on WAMY = and Saudi funding of terror -- broadcast on BBC's evening news on = November 9, 2001. (In the USA, that report earned me the title of = 'conspiracy nut.' In America, a 'conspiracy nut' is defined as a = journalist who reports the news two years before the New York Times.) And here's the ugly little punch line to the story you WON'T read in the = Times. Why has the Bush Administration covered up for WAMY and the = Saudi's other blood-soaked 'charity' operations? For the answer, let me take you back to Midland, Texas, 1986. A young = old man, George W. Bush, seems to have trouble finding oil. But he = strikes it rich when his failing drilling partnership is bought out by = Harken Oil. Despite the addition of the business acumen of Bush Jr., = Harken faces collapse; but it's pulled from the brink by a cash infusion = from a Saudi, Sheik Bakhsh. The money from Arabia has nothing to do, we = must assume, with Dubya's daddy at the time holding the post of = Vice-President of the Free World. The Bakhsh booty continued a pattern of the young Bush being saved from = his dire business decisions by a line of Sheik angels. His first oil = company, Arbusto, going bust-o, was aided by the American financial = representative of the bin Laden family. And on BBC TV last month, I reported this: following the bombing of our = embassies, the Clinton Administration sent two delegations to Saudi = Arabia to tell their royal highnesses to stop giving money to the guys = who are killing us. But Mr. Bush, once in office, put the kibosh on = unfriendly words to the Saudis. Furthermore, in the summer of 2001, Mr. Bush disbanded the US = intelligence unit tracking funding of Al Qaeda. What is it our G-men = were uncovering? According to two separate sources speaking to BBC, the = funders of Al Qaeda fronts, including those who have previously funded = Bush family business and political ventures. Now that's a wee bit embarrassing. Something you wouldn't want in a = congressional report. Something you may not want the FBI to dwell on. = (And you can unlock the women and children: the BBC reports will NOT be = broadcast on US television.) And there's this: a document marked "Secret" and "199I" (meaning = 'national security') which found its way out of the offices of the FBI = in into the office of our BBC/Guardian newspaper team. It indicates (and = whistleblowers confirmed) that, prior to the September 11 attack, the = Bush Administration held back agents of the FBI from tracking two = members of the bin Laden family. According to the buried FBI report, the = bin Laden lads were operating in the USA for "a suspected terrorist = organization", WAMY. But we mustn't ask too many questions of the Bush Administration's = blindfolding the FBI, nor, Heaven forbid, discomfit the Saudis over = their contributions to Terror-R-Us. After all, in BushWorld, Saudi = Arabia and America have shared values: we want our boys to kill, not to = kiss. Greg Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, The Best = Democracy Money Can Buy, which includes the award-winning report, "Did = Our President Spike the Investigation of bin Laden?" View his report for = BBC Television's Newsnight on Bush, WAMY and the bin Ladens at = www.GregPalast.com ________________________ "It is sort of fascinating that you can have 100 percent certainty about = weapons of mass destruction and zero certainty of about where they are." UN chief weapons inspector Hans Blix, who retired recently ________________________ Scott Pound Assistant Professor Department of American Culture and Literature Bilkent University TR-06800 Bilkent, Ankara TURKEY +90 (312) 290 3115 (office) +90 (312) 290 2791 (home) +90 (312) 266 4081 (fax) pounds@bilkent.edu.tr http://www.bilkent.edu.tr/~pounds ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 13:46:27 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: Fulcrumed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I read Fulcrum was put out on your own dime Phillip, I wanted to read it before responding to Patrick's fine but condeming words as, briefly spotlighted, I can now accept & join the legions of under rated poets. As well, I was reminded of over a decade ago when I bankrolled all this money from a questionable act into a legitimate publishing venture: a literary journal as well as a full length book in both hard & soft cover editions. As the summer continues, and my sunflowers grow two foot in the past days, wow, over a week now, since the first posting, there will be no turn to Fulcrum in a time span considered acceptable in this motile moment of information spreading. This subject will bury itself under an easy month or more of other facts people hastily respond to through their importance. What I will respond to is brief, besides a congratulations and deals with primely with the forward and a few critical essays. Poetry is not so much the art of talking to oneself, as a balancing act on the see-saw ends resting between the paths of talking, listening and hearing. Assert distinctions. And yet there is an adept visual element ignored in most philosophical poem treatises, hence part of their failure, their belief that form is entirely of a metrical or other repititious posture. The poem itself is the visual act, with the inherent difference being how I am able to transcribe from a field I can listen to after first written. Audience is a tautology which says nothing about the poet, one needs to distinguish the difference between the poem and the person. A confusion here will mess things up tremendously, we could have a WHAT IF, a twilight zone of poetry otherwise. What if Baratier never discovered Keats' "you"? What if Stevens never went to the Armory Show? The poem starts at a moment, radiates outward and cares naught for its audience or creator, then time erodes the completeness, changes the "complete" meaning from moment to moment when revisited, when written about over decades. Yet there is a current group of readers that gives hope of continuance, at least 3 of the sacred twelve audience members are here on this list, sometimes more, which make the poem durable, not through their critcism, as they are visiting a "finished" piece, but rather through the act of reading it. This becomes the undercurrent of the overinformation age, a setback into anti-technology where the spare audience is in equal valence with monks hand transcribing texts centuries ago. I was reminded of nonsequiturs through Charles' mention of them being the shortest distance between two points as well as the back of a Too Much Coffee Man comic I was reading in which the term cannot be accurately defined because the moment you use one, you are in need of pointing out it's use for definition's sake thereby invalidating the term. There was some grand exit out of this writing dealing with this concept, a comparative loop to make the head spin, a image or metaphor about making my living on poetry, not on theory, but I could not complete it. Maybe it was in the analogy of _FULCRUM an annual of poetry and aesthetics_ as my wife is an aesthetician, a professional; her aesthetics in poetry differ greatly from mine. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 16:51:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Crows Extra By Wraps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the least puppets'll sprawl my scene, their inky feathers leave you an' me squandered their exchanges freed my sleep from conclusion a wondrous analogy: crow things smelled said scene & hooted "prayerbook!" not more'n three furnace years'll scrape by this time 'round, bone failed with fur refrain black up Hell-back you face you hidden / it more for hard eye zone than crows courting, new instantly, young soundless & blue, my scene my sleep, now sprawl sky now shoulder twigs now tell them it's August & I'm going till November _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 15:48:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MAXINE CHERNOFF Subject: NEW AMERICAN WRITING#21, back issues (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 15:44:55 -0700 From: Maxine Chernoff To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: maxpaul@sfsu.edu Subject: NEW AMERICAN WRITING#21, back issues The new issue of NEW AMERICAN WRITING #21 (2003), is now available in bookstores or directly from the publisher. It includes Richter 858 Poetry, edited and introduced by David Breskin, poems on the 858 series of paintings by Gerhard Richter by W.S. DiPiero, Dean Young, Ann Lauterbach, Richard Howard, Paul Hoover, David Breskin, Connie Deanovich, Robert Haas, Brenda Hillman, Michael Palmer, James McManus, Edward Hirsch, and Jorie Graham. Also: Poetry by Picasso, a section from "The Burial of the Count of Orgaz," introduced and translated by Pierre Joris. Poetry and fiction by Jay Wright, John Taggart, Norma Cole, Mong-Lan, Linh Dinh, Clayton Eshleman, Calvin Bedient, Kenward Elmslie, Carol Snow, Karen Garthe, John Keene, Arielle Greenberg, Fred Muratori, Andrew Joron, Chris Tysh, Dan Featherston, K. Silem Mohammad, Ryan G. VanCleave, Noelle Kocot, Cynie Cory, Joseph Lease, Donna de la Perriere, David Trinidad, Jaime Robles, Ethan Paquin, Frances Brent, Jenny Burkholder, Peter Johnson, Michael Magee, Jordan Davis, John Tipton, Joel Dailey, Lindsay Hill, and Jessica Anthony. 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to his arm Paul Harris Sunday August 3, 2003 The Observer It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move that takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to transplant a human ear on to his arm. Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist Stelarc, originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, the Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art say = a fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French artist cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just putting an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just think they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' said David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to change the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic head= s and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. 'The issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and speculate in a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be repulsed= , but it is not the intention,' he said. Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent University as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital Research Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and uses medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. For hi= s ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for help= , but none would take on the operation. However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has agreed to help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to put th= e ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his cheeks= =2E Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown in a laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, simila= r to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will then be surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will develop its own blood supply. The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give it lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear will b= e a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up my sleeve,' he joked. Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor so that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst thing i= s that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is a success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with toes growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said Charles Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns against many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and drawing= =2E Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and Hirst, it now has 68 groups around the world. The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned operation. 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' a spokeswoman said. One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people talking about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes discussion,' said Lee. 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Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 07:55:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I see this is as a new and disturbing direction in the arms race. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:00 PM Subject: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html > > An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to his > arm > > Paul Harris > Sunday August 3, 2003 > The Observer > > It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move that > takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to transplant a > human ear on to his arm. > > Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist Stelarc, > originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech > laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. > > Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, the > Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art say a > fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have > little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French artist > cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. > > 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just putting > an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just think > they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' said > David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. > > Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to change > the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and > computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic heads > and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. 'The > issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and speculate in > a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be repulsed, > but it is not the intention,' he said. > > Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent University > as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital Research > Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and uses > medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once > inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. For his > ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for help, > but none would take on the operation. > > However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has agreed to > help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, > growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to put the > ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his cheeks. > > Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown in a > laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, similar > to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will then be > surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will > develop its own blood supply. > > The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give it > lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear will be > a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up my > sleeve,' he joked. > > Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor so > that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. > > Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst thing is > that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is a > success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with toes > growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said Charles > Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns against > many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and drawing. > Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and Hirst, > it now has 68 groups around the world. > > The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned operation. > 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to > understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' a > spokeswoman said. > > One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people talking > about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes > discussion,' said Lee. 'And at the end of the day that is not a bad thing.' > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Printable version | Send it to a friend | Save story > > Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:03:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Don't worry. For a fee, the noted pacifist Mike Tyson will bite it off. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > I see this is as a new and disturbing direction in the arms race. > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Sondheim" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:00 PM > Subject: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html > > > > An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to his > > arm > > > > Paul Harris > > Sunday August 3, 2003 > > The Observer > > > > It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move > that > > takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to transplant > a > > human ear on to his arm. > > > > Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist Stelarc, > > originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech > > laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. > > > > Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, > the > > Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art say > a > > fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have > > little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French > artist > > cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. > > > > 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just putting > > an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just think > > they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' said > > David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. > > > > Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to > change > > the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and > > computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic > heads > > and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. 'The > > issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and speculate > in > > a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be > repulsed, > > but it is not the intention,' he said. > > > > Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent > University > > as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital Research > > Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and uses > > medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once > > inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. For > his > > ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for > help, > > but none would take on the operation. > > > > However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has agreed to > > help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, > > growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to put > the > > ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his > cheeks. > > > > Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown in > a > > laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, > similar > > to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will then > be > > surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will > > develop its own blood supply. > > > > The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give it > > lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear will > be > > a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up my > > sleeve,' he joked. > > > > Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor so > > that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. > > > > Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst thing > is > > that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is a > > success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with toes > > growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said Charles > > Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns > against > > many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and > drawing. > > Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and > Hirst, > > it now has 68 groups around the world. > > > > The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned > operation. > > 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to > > understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' a > > spokeswoman said. > > > > One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people talking > > about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes > > discussion,' said Lee. 'And at the end of the day that is not a bad > thing.' > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Printable version | Send it to a friend | Save story > > > > Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:45:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . In-Reply-To: <001901c359cf$44378f20$9dfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 'ear! 'ear! Hal "I think I think; therefore I think I am." --Ambrose Bierce Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { I see this is as a new and disturbing direction in the arms race. { { -Joel { { { ----- Original Message ----- { From: "Alan Sondheim" { To: { Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:00 PM { Subject: Step Aside, Orlan . . . { { { > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html { > { > An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to his { > arm { > { > Paul Harris { > Sunday August 3, 2003 { > The Observer { > { > It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move { that { > takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to transplant { a { > human ear on to his arm. { > { > Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist Stelarc, { > originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech { > laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. { > { > Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, { the { > Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art say { a { > fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have { > little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French { artist { > cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. { > { > 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just putting { > an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just think { > they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' said { > David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. { > { > Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to { change { > the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and { > computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic { heads { > and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. 'The { > issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and speculate { in { > a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be { repulsed, { > but it is not the intention,' he said. { > { > Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent { University { > as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital Research { > Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and uses { > medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once { > inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. For { his { > ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for { help, { > but none would take on the operation. { > { > However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has agreed to { > help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, { > growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to put { the { > ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his { cheeks. { > { > Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown in { a { > laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, { similar { > to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will then { be { > surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will { > develop its own blood supply. { > { > The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give it { > lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear will { be { > a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up my { > sleeve,' he joked. { > { > Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor so { > that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. { > { > Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst thing { is { > that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is a { > success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with toes { > growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said Charles { > Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns { against { > many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and { drawing. { > Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and { Hirst, { > it now has 68 groups around the world. { > { > The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned { operation. { > 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to { > understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' a { > spokeswoman said. { > { > One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people talking { > about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes { > discussion,' said Lee. 'And at the end of the day that is not a bad { thing.' { > { > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ { > Printable version | Send it to a friend | Save story { > { > Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 { ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:35:37 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . .\ Are you stuck? In-Reply-To: <020601c359d0$659f8a90$8568f30c@S0027338986> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.stuckism.com/stuckistmanifesto.html#manifest http://www.stuckism.com/ __________________________________________________ " Dirt is matter in its wrong place" - Lord Kelvin Popular Lectures and Addresses (1891) =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Vernon Frazer > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:03 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . >=20 > Don't worry. For a fee, the noted pacifist Mike Tyson will bite it off. >=20 > Vernon >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . >=20 >=20 > > I see this is as a new and disturbing direction in the arms race. > > > > -Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Sondheim" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:00 PM > > Subject: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html > > > > > > An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to > his > > > arm > > > > > > Paul Harris > > > Sunday August 3, 2003 > > > The Observer > > > > > > It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move > > that > > > takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to > transplant > > a > > > human ear on to his arm. > > > > > > Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist > Stelarc, > > > originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech > > > laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. > > > > > > Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, > > the > > > Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art > say > > a > > > fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have > > > little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French > > artist > > > cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. > > > > > > 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just > putting > > > an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just > think > > > they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' > said > > > David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. > > > > > > Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to > > change > > > the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and > > > computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic > > heads > > > and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. > 'The > > > issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and > speculate > > in > > > a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be > > repulsed, > > > but it is not the intention,' he said. > > > > > > Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent > > University > > > as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital > Research > > > Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and > uses > > > medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once > > > inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. > For > > his > > > ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for > > help, > > > but none would take on the operation. > > > > > > However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has > agreed > to > > > help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, > > > growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to > put > > the > > > ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his > > cheeks. > > > > > > Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown > in > > a > > > laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, > > similar > > > to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will > then > > be > > > surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will > > > develop its own blood supply. > > > > > > The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give > it > > > lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear > will > > be > > > a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up > my > > > sleeve,' he joked. > > > > > > Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor > so > > > that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. > > > > > > Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst > thing > > is > > > that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is > a > > > success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with > toes > > > growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said > Charles > > > Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns > > against > > > many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and > > drawing. > > > Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and > > Hirst, > > > it now has 68 groups around the world. > > > > > > The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned > > operation. > > > 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to > > > understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' > a > > > spokeswoman said. > > > > > > One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people > talking > > > about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes > > > discussion,' said Lee. 'And at the end of the day that is not a bad > > thing.' > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > Printable version | Send it to a friend | Save story > > > > > > Guardian Unlimited =A9 Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 11:35:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: back issues of Antennae - price reduced MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends, I'd really like to get more copies of Antennae 3 and 4 off my shelf and into interested hands, so single copies of those issues are now $4 (down from $6). Likewise, both issues can be had for $8 (down from $12). Contents of each issue are listed below. If interested, send payment to: Jesse Seldess 851 N. Hoyne Ave. Apt #3R Chicago, IL 60622 North American subscriptions outside the US, please add $3. Other foreign subscriptions, please add $5. Thanks. -------------------- ANTENNAE 3 summer 2002 $4 poems by brian strang / mark salerno / lyn hejinian / spencer selby / sheila murphy / bob harrison / laynie browne / music or performance scores by mark booth / jennifer walshe / amnon wolman / gerhard stäbler / ANTENNAE 4 winter 2003 $4 poems or writing by john m. bennett / oswald egger (trans. michael pisaro) / kerri sonnenberg / the wrong object / andrew norris / jules boykoff / k. silem mohammad / jessica smith / heather nagami / ron silliman / kaia sand / david pavelich / daniel borzutzky / stacy szymaszek music scores by jeff snyder / peter edwards coffee-stained cover by ryan weber ---------------- Also, ANTENNAE 5 forthcoming $6 poems or writing by sawako nakayasu / drew kunz / dennis barone / thom donovan & kyle schlesinger / chris pusateri / mark tardi / patrick durgin / leslie scalapino / rodrigo toscano / rusty morrison / michael magee a music score by keumok heo a lecture ("Parasitology") by matthew goulish ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 13:02:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . .\ Are you stuck? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I guess I am "stuck." To me, Stelarc's talking ear will never replace Wm Burroughs's talking asshole. Vernon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Basan" To: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . .\ Are you stuck? http://www.stuckism.com/stuckistmanifesto.html#manifest http://www.stuckism.com/ __________________________________________________ " Dirt is matter in its wrong place" - Lord Kelvin Popular Lectures and Addresses (1891) > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Vernon Frazer > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 12:03 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > > Don't worry. For a fee, the noted pacifist Mike Tyson will bite it off. > > Vernon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > > > > I see this is as a new and disturbing direction in the arms race. > > > > -Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alan Sondheim" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:00 PM > > Subject: Step Aside, Orlan . . . > > > > > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1011495,00.html > > > > > > An artist has caused outrage by planning to graft a biotech ear on to > his > > > arm > > > > > > Paul Harris > > > Sunday August 3, 2003 > > > The Observer > > > > > > It will shock. But then that's what modern art is all about. In a move > > that > > > takes art to unheard of extremes, a British-based artist is to > transplant > > a > > > human ear on to his arm. > > > > > > Using techniques of advanced plastic surgery, performance artist > Stelarc, > > > originally called Stelios Arcadiou, is to grow the ear in a biotech > > > laboratory and have it grafted on to his forearm. > > > > > > Even in an art world used to the antics of Tracy Emin and Damien Hirst, > > the > > > Extra Ear project will cause upset. Many critics of unusual modern art > say > > a > > > fringe of the movement is caught in an 'arms race' of stunts that have > > > little artistic merit but plenty of shock value. Last month a French > > artist > > > cut off his own finger with an axe and donated it to a museum. > > > > > > 'He [Stelarc] is not exploring anything artistic at all. He's just > putting > > > an ear on his arm. There is an area of modern art where people just > think > > > they can compete to do the most outlandish things. This is not art,' > said > > > David Lee, editor of arts magazine Jackdaw. > > > > > > Stelarc defended his work as an exploration of how it is possible to > > change > > > the human body. His previous works have focused on using machinery and > > > computers to create extensions of the human form. He has built robotic > > heads > > > and hands that he has controlled, and a six-legged walking machine. > 'The > > > issue is not to shock. I want people to see this extra ear and > speculate > > in > > > a way about alternative interfaces on the body. Some people may be > > repulsed, > > > but it is not the intention,' he said. > > > > > > Stelarc, 57, who is Australian, holds a post at Nottingham Trent > > University > > > as a principal research fellow at the Performance Arts Digital > Research > > > Unit. He has put on shows in Europe, Japan and the United States and > uses > > > medical instruments, prosthetics and robotics in his displays. He once > > > inserted a capsule into his stomach with flashing lights and noises. > For > > his > > > ear project, Stelarc approached British doctors and medical bodies for > > help, > > > but none would take on the operation. > > > > > > However, the Australian-based Tissue Culture and Art project has > agreed > to > > > help him grow the ear. Stelarc hopes to begin the project next month, > > > growing the ear and having surgeons attach it to his body. A plan to > put > > the > > > ear on Stelarc's face was abandoned as it could damage nerves in his > > cheeks. > > > > > > Samples of Stelarc's cartilage and bone marrow will be taken and grown > in > > a > > > laboratory. The cartilage will be nurtured into the shape of an ear, > > similar > > > to the technique used to grow ears on laboratory mice. The ear will > then > > be > > > surgically placed under a flap of skin on Stelarc's arm, where it will > > > develop its own blood supply. > > > > > > The ear will be sculpted into shape by plastic surgeons who will give > it > > > lobes from skin grafts and shape the flesh on Stelarc's arm. The ear > will > > be > > > a permanent part of Stelarc's body. 'I will always have something up > my > > > sleeve,' he joked. > > > > > > Stelarc hopes to fit the ear with a sound chip and a proximity censor > so > > > that it can emit sounds or words when people approach. > > > > > > Some artists are appalled. 'This is not art; this is sad. The worst > thing > > is > > > that art students end up following this sort of thing and, if this is > a > > > success, we'll probably eventually get students leaving college with > toes > > > growing out of their foreheads or something equally bizarre,' said > Charles > > > Thomson, founder of the Stuckists group of artists, which campaigns > > against > > > many forms of modern art in favour of more traditional painting and > > drawing. > > > Founded four years ago by 12 artists who reject the work of Emin and > > Hirst, > > > it now has 68 groups around the world. > > > > > > The British Medical Association warned of dangers in the planned > > operation. > > > 'Potential problems may be unknown at this stage. The artist needs to > > > understand this before he gives informed consent to the "operation",' > a > > > spokeswoman said. > > > > > > One thing all agree on is that the project will get many people > talking > > > about art in a way that paintings and sculptures rarely do. 'It causes > > > discussion,' said Lee. 'And at the end of the day that is not a bad > > thing.' > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > Printable version | Send it to a friend | Save story > > > > > > Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:01:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Fwd: Rejected posting to POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Message-Id: >In-Reply-To: <20030801185615.49576.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> >References: <20030801185615.49576.qmail@web11402.mail.yahoo.com> >Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:48:14 -0700 >To: UB Poetics discussion group >From: George Bowering >Subject: Re: ghazal file >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >>you are too literal. > >I am vexed by folks that are not literal enough. That is, for >example, I take metaphors literally; that way they are fresh and >they work and they can amaze you. Otherwise, they slip toward >cliches. > >> >>George Bowering wrote:>when I think of "content >>should dictate the form" I >>>certainly think of Mr Olson and a certain postmodern >>>picture of a western (or let's say "global") writer >>>well versed in various forms and poetic >>>traditions--beginning the scratchy notes in the >>>notebook, following the "content" to the appropriate >>>form: like >> >>I am still waiting for some genius of poetry to explaIN TO me how a >>poem can have content. I can see a cup haVING content. I can see a >>rain gutter having content. But I have looked and looked and all I >>can find, if that, is reference. What IS the content? Does Shelley's >>poem CONTAIN a mountain? I mean if it flows through the mind, how the >>hell can a poem contain it? >>-- >>George Bowering >>Ajar to suggestions. >>Fax 604-266-9000 >> >> >> >>--------------------------------- >>Do you Yahoo!? >>The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > >-- >George Bowering >Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats >Fax 604-266-9000 -- George Bowering Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:07:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Caroline Crumpacker Subject: Apartment Sublet In-Reply-To: <200308022105.19Ja7c6zs3NZFlq0@merlin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone need an NYC sublet? We'll be away at a residency for several months and are looking for some nice folks to sublet our place...the price is flexible if the person is wiling to forward mail/deal with some phone messages/care for fish, plants and possibly a cat... Here's the deal: Looking for person or persons to sublet furnished apartment with all amenities from Oct. 1 to end of April, with possibility to extend. One bedroom plus in Caroll Gardens, Brooklyn. Quiet tree-lined, gardened street. Two blocks from train. Beautiful airy, sunlit space with kitchen, bathroom, living room, library/den, bedroom and small office. Recently painted floor-through with six big windows. Views of trees and gardens. Call Tommy or Caroline at 718-855-7323 or email at omalleytommyo@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:17:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ghazal file In-Reply-To: <000201c3586e$9e2c5c20$60016ace@satellite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > > > >Chris wrote: > > >| If beavers are references > >| how do they build dams? Beavers build dams. The word "beavers" in a poem is a reference. Beavers are contained in the world. The content of a book is, perhaps, paper, ink, glue. -- George Bowering Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 14:55:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Step Aside, Orlan . . . In-Reply-To: <001901c359cf$44378f20$9dfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just to set the record straight, I've known and admired Stelarc for years. Go to Beehive - there's an interview I did with him a few years ago. There is also a lot of other material online. He's one of the most articulate and brilliant artists around. Btw he's also rather gentle. Alan http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 15:51:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Sonnet Kit 147 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sonnet Kit CXLVII [Some assembly required] lines, 14 a’s, 43 p’s, 18 quatrains, 3 b’s, 2 r’s, 33 couplet, 1 c’s, 13 s’s, 35 sentences, 3 d’s, 18 t’s, 44 words, 107 e’s, 56 u’s, 8 letters, 466 f’s, 8 v’s, 8 capitals, 18 g’s, 9 w’s 8 lower case, 448 h’s, 35 x’s, 2 periods, 3 i’s, 32 y’s, 10 commas, 14 k’s, 4 semicolons, 3 l’s, 15 hyphens, 1 m’s, 13 apostrophes, 2 n’s, 27 o’s, 25 Hal Colourless green ideas sleep furiously. --Noam Chomsky Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: daily dose Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Fanny Howe's excellent long poem "Catholic" [from -CR- 49:1] appears today on Poetry Daily at http://www.poems.com. Eirik Steinhoff Editor. * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:28:39 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Fw: parks again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Michael Rothenberg, Thanks for your response. I've been laid up for the last week with poison ivy on my legs, and most excruciatingly -- between my fingers. So I haven't wanted to type anything. Now it's getting better, but I don't want to push it. I got it while clearing brush after our tornado. I guess I didn't see the stuff, because I can't recall a contact point. I wanted again to mention The Power Broker, by Robert Caro. It's about Robert Moses, the man who was the Chairman of Parks throughout most of New York State, but especially the Manhattan area for fifty years or so. He had more power than the mayor. Even the president (Roosevelt) couldn't reign him in. He made his money from Triborough Bridge receipts, which were his to keep. Well, that was just one source. He built parks, and parkways (he built the parkways on Long Island with bridges over them so low that busses couldn't pass underneath so that poor people couldn't get out to the beaches such as Jones Beach). He also loved to kill neighborhoods. He built the Cross-Bronx Expressway right through a Jewish neighborhood in the Bronx and deliberately took out thousands of apartments. He claimed to be resettling the occupants, but he never did. Nobody helped them, even the elderly and the blind, find another place to live. And for three years anybody not hit with the axe had to deal with the dynamite going off as Moses blasted through granite to dig the deep trench through the Bronx. Here's a tiny quote from page 868 (the book is 1150 pages long, and is the best primer on New York City and parks that you could possibly imagine -- the book won a National Book Award in 1974): "Understanding this, whenthe housewives of East Tremont fought now, it was with a sense of desperation. The poverty of their community made fighting all the harder. Years later, an acquaintance casually remarked to Lillian Edelstein that another group of housewives, Central Park West housewives, had, in a battle over expansion of the Tavern-on the Green parking lot in 1956, won a victory over Robert Moses -- and was startled to see the eyes of the tall, dignified woman filling with tears of remembered frustration. "Do you know why?" she said bitterly. "Because they had money for an injunction, that's why." So this community of thousands of people had the Cross-Bronx Expressway slammed thorugh it when Moses could have gone next to a park (Crotona PArk) and saved something like 80 buildings. Moses, for reasons never explained, went through their neighborhood. Nobody reported it, because Moses owned all the key government players, and was paying them huge fees to keep quiet. Somehow when Moses was told not to make images, God must not have been thinking about investigative reporting. Ask Meltzer! I think he was only thinking about images like the pyramids that would attempt to rival his own creation?? Oy vey, as some would say. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:19:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hannah Nijinsky Subject: [none] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii i heard a Fume-berg---when i died it bloomed conservation’s illegality hannahnijinsky@callreview.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 17:06:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Arielle Greenberg Subject: Re: WNBC on My Aim is Boog In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey, David, so cool about NBC! Very nice indeed! Wish I coulda been there, but we've just landed in Chicago. Boy, are my arms tired! Matthew Zapruder, my lovely editor at Verse who read with me in Brooklyn, asked if you could please send a couple copies of the 1977 issue to their offices: Verse Press 221 Pine Street, Studio 2A3 Florence, MA 01062 and have you also sent some to me at my new address? 1424 West Hollywood Ave #2, Chicago, IL 60660-4215. Thanks ever so, Arielle --- "David A. Kirschenbaum" wrote: > Hi All, > > Randomly this cool dude from NBC came to our My Aim > is Boog show the other > night, and now, lo and behold, look what's up on > their web site: > > http://www.wnbc.com/entertainment/2373645/detail.html > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > www.boogcity.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:14:48 -0400 Reply-To: gmcvay@patriot.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: WNBC on My Aim is Boog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Arielle, If someone were to make a film about Verse Press, could this logically be called "the Zapruder film"? Yours conspiratorially, Gwyn -- "Nobody gets paid to be a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy" comic strip, 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:33:49 -0700 Reply-To: yan@pobox.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: matvei yankelevich Subject: Small Press Book Fair in Brooklyn - looking for participants Comments: To: Schwartz CLMP Newswire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Announcing... the Ode To Go CHEAP small press FAIR Sunday, October 19, 11am to 5pm at NEST Artspace in D.U.M.B.O. (during the DUMBO Arts Festival) Ode to Go, in collaboration with Ugly Duckling Presse, is hosting the Cheap Small Press Fair at NEST in DUMBO. We are looking for small presses, zine publishers, book artists and magazines to join us on a Sunday afternoon in DUMBO to share their wares with the general public, and hopefull sell lots of books, mags, zines, too. If you're interested we need your commitment by September 1st so that we can place the proper advertising with the Dumbo Arts Fair publication and local news sources. The committment entails a $10 dollar donation to Ode to Go (a non-profit public poetry project) in exchange for which you will be guaranteed ample table space, refreshments, and promotion for your publications. The CHEAP small press FAIR is particularly interested in giving space to publishers who sell the majority of their creations for $10 or less. Other publishers will be considered, but -- in the spirit of making independent literature available and affordable -- we ask you not to charge more than $10 for any item sold at the fair. OK? Send your check or money order for $10 (or more if you can) to: Ode to Go, 70 Washington St. GROUND FLOOR, Brooklyn, NY 11201. Indicate on a separate piece of paper: Your contact name, email and phone number. The address of your press/mag/zine (your HQ). Your official website's url, if you have one. And a one-sentence description of your publishing project and mission. * Also let us know if you want us to list you in the on-line Ode to Go directory. If you have questions about the CHEAP Small Press Fair, your eligibility, what you get out of participating, about Ode to Go, or whatever -- just email us at info@odetogo.com or call us in DUMBO at 718-852-5529. You can come see the space where the event will take place, if you like, but give us a call first so we can show it to you. Thanks for your attention and we hope to hear from you soon, and look forward to browsing your wares at the fair in October. With best wishes. Yr faithful servants... Anna Moschovakis, Matvei Yankelevich (on behalf of Ode to Go and Ugly Duckling Presse) the CHEAP small press FAIR: the cheapest fair in town! *see the Ode to Go website to get a sense of what we're doing and find out about our past projects (Coffee Cup Poetry, etc): www.odetogo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:25:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cynthia sailers Subject: Reading at 21 Grand, Oakland MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Come see the New Brutalism— Featuring Nick Piombino and Patrick Durgin Sunday, August 10th 7-9 PM at 21 Grand 449 B 23rd St. Oakland $4 cover Nick Piombino’s books include Poems (Sun and Moon), The Boundary of Blur: Essays (Roof), Light Street (Zasterle), Theoretical Objects (Green Integer) and The Boundary of Theory (Cuneiform). Recent poems in Avec #8 and #10, Ribot #5 and #6, Situation #10, Zoom-Zoom #5, TORQUE #4, POTEPOETZINE 1, Rhizome #2 and #4, Crayon #1, Boundary 2, An Avec Sampler and Kenning #10. Recent critical writing in M/E/A/N/I/N/G #17, #18, Le Discours Psychanalytique #12, fragmente #6, Transkatalog 2/3, Chain 3 and 9, Gendai Shisou-revue de la pensee d'aujourdhui1996, vol. 24-10, POTEPOETEXTFOUR and Kiosk #1 .Recent collages in Chain #6 and Poetry Plastique. His work has been anthologized in The L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E Book, In The American Tree, The Politics of Poetic Form, From The Other Side of the Century, The Gertrude Stein Awards in Innovative American Poetry 1993-1994, and 1994-1995, Close Listening, Manifesto: A Century of Isms and Poetry Plastique. His home page on the web, including a recent recording of 22 of his poems read live on WKCR, is on the SUNY’Buffalo Electronic Poetry Center at writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/piombino His weblog –fait accompli- is at http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ Patrick Durgin is the author of Pundits Scribes Pupils (Potes & Poets, 1998), And so on (Texture Press, 1999), Sorter (Duration Press, 2001), and Color Music (Cuneiform Press, 2003). His poetry and other writings have appeared in various magazines over the years, including Aufgabe, Chain, Crayon, Electronic Poetry Review, Jacket, nthposition, The Poetry Project Newsletter, Rain Taxi Review of Books, Rattapallax, and Tripwire. He edits and publishes the small press journal Kenning and is contributing editor of the Electronic Poetry Center. His last bay area reading was three and a half years ago at Canessa Park, on his 30th birthday, nine days following the Y2K promotional scheme ended. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:55:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: archaea3.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII archaea3.exe http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea3.exe the knife stops before its destination graphs cannot labor the human graphisme is a-temporal through the experiential deathless, time stalls, hacking's digital eternity "For the talking picture, too, is mute." (Adorno, Eisler.) ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:03:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: archaea4.exe sulphur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII archaea4.exe sulphur stone http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea4.exe n.b. all archaea images must be clicked on that will activate the machinery the machinery generating cut-throat sulphur chemical-leached stone to leach archaea __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:48:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: skyn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mina Loy staring through mesh at wooden stars. Some semblance of hypodermic memory, of a fluid she caught somewhere in her throat, mussed and tassled. I was wondering perhaps if those clocks that climb through walls scarred by nicotine were in fact the apparatus we would be breathing through this evening. No-one could reallly answer her; the sky, lanced with crystal hairs of lightning, acknowledge these fastened hours in which, just by listening quietly, sound became a long insect rolling loudly through the hallways, beyond touch. I love most, when night is electric, weeping makeup, throwing my hands through the tattoed and aroused vectors of her skin. Mina Loy, staring up at the ceiling, jackandcoke: each time she thought to lie back, sink into the lattice of dark fingers stretching her across luscious ice, the lights came on; everyone danced the electric slide. I know what my life did to me. She twirled like the limp of a baglady, lagging, gutted by years that drown so sweetly in this wind. And when Mina Loy finally got back, she brought Anemone to tears: everyone could hear them breaking in the hallway. Will I always? And if so, what exterminator could judge her right? Nimble, with sour assonance. As sardonic as nights gingerly swept from the awe of your coat. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:44:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Nijinsky's Demise MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dearest hannah, Sorry to hear of your recent demise; may it please you to know now you're gone the Fume-berg blooms no more he now chooses silence instead, to arouse you... alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hannah Nijinsky=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: [none] i heard a Fume-berg---when i died it bloomed conservation=12s illegality hannahnijinsky@callreview.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:24:40 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Lawyer poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We were asked for reprinting rights for one of authors who is a lawyer, Simon Perchik, for an anthology of poets who are (or were, when living) lawyers. They asked me for advice about others Wallace Stevens and Archibald MacLeish come to mind immediately. Can anyone think of any others? This is a good chance to slip in some experimental writing with a very traditional publisher & anthology & I would hate to see the exposure pass. Backchannels appreciated. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:49:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: > About a Laptop MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > monitor. On the road the 60GB 7200RPM disk and 1GB > of memory keep me > very happy. for me, my laptop is for work on the go: when i have time for some extra code jobs or really need to cram to get a project finished. i'm not running intensive graphics programs or doing hardcore networking -- i'm coding, and that's about it. because of that, i want a laptop that's gonna be rock solid, run fast and smooth, and isn't going to weigh me down. i think a Mac is good for all of that -- you're not going to be contending with the (ahem) glitchiness of a Windows OS (i'm not trying to start a browser war, but for a computer system that you don't have to think about -- a plug 'n' play OS -- it's gotta be Mac)... and you've got stable and lightweight hardware to carry. i actually find an iBook (boosted up to 512MB RAM) suits me quite well. -a- i need to cram intensive i'm that i want fast and down i think of Windows -b- time to get graphics to think and carry 512MB RAM laptopcoding laptopcoding smooth Mac is good Mac is good for all of that -c- contending i'm not trying got stable actually quite well suits me -d- well and lightweight that OS start a browser you don't have that the (ahem) all of that going to gonna be about it or doing hardcore i'm not running or really on the go -e- of the memory keep me happy very happy On the road -f- that's about it because of that extra code doing hardcore gonna be rock solid because of that run fast i'm not running you don't have to think about -g- and i think project finished 60GB 7200RPM 1GB i i'm i'm i gonna i glitchiness i'm gotta i 512MB i i'm i'm i 512MB laptopcoding laptopcoding i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm i ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:10:30 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog: The New Look Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ * now with a new look & new features * recent commentary: Philip Guston: Poet's painter It's not happening at the zoo What came in the mail "Ordinary poems," defined The perfect audience Regional variations among bloggers Nick Lawrence replies to Louis Cabri: does Bruce Andrews write satire? A vacation reading list Questions & more questions re flarf. Mary Burger's poetry Robert Lowell & the poetics of the Third Way Louis Cabri on allusions, up or down Spidertangle: the_book On the margins between poetry & visual art come needlepoint & more http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:36:35 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: follow-up on political cartoons MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Drawn and quartered They're funny until they get mad. Editorial cartoonists in the United States are at war with each other. DOUG SAUNDERS describes the battlefield By DOUG SAUNDERS Monday, August 4, 2003 - Page R1 It sounds like a badly drawn caricature, but it really happened. Last week, agents from the United States Secret Service stepped into the lobby of The Los Angeles Times and asked if they could see the paper's editorial cartoonist about a small matter of insurrection. The cartoonist, Michael Ramirez, had drawn a cartoon a few days before showing President George W. Bush with a gun held to his head. It was an artistically accurate copy of a famous Vietnam War photo showing the street execution of a Vietnamese man. In the cartoon, the assailant was labelled "politics" and the background was labelled "Iraq." The President's men in black did not find it funny at all. It was a direct call for assassination, they explained. "The Secret Service does take threats against all of their protectees very seriously, and they have an obligation to look into any threat that's made against any of their protectees," one agent explained shortly before they visited the Times. The men in the dark sunglasses, blithely unaware of the newspaper traditions of stark allegory and visual hyperbole, had lifted a heavy rock to expose a teeming, little-seen artistic subculture fraught with arcane disputes, political disagreements and deep-set angst. The world of North American editorial cartooning has never received such official attention. The newspaper's editors, knowing their rights, refused to let the spooks into the building. And the Secret Service suffered one of its larger embarrassments. If they had looked at the cartoon more closely, they might have realized that Ramirez is a conservative Republican cartoonist, one of the few truly ardent supporters of Bush in that ink-stained profession. "He's probably the most right-wing cartoonist at any major American newspaper," said Steve Kelley, the cartoonist with The New Orleans Times-Picayune, himself a moderate conservative. Ramirez, in his characteristically ham-fisted but elegantly drawn style, was trying to say that his president's patriotic policies had become the victim of partisanship. "President Bush is the target, metaphorically speaking, of a political assassination because of 16 words that he uttered in the State of the Union [address]," the cartoonist explained. Within the tight-knit world of American editorial cartooning, a faint snicker could be heard: Was Ramirez getting a taste of his own ideological medicine? But, typical of this strange community, the loudest words were devoted not to the politics but to the esthetics. "I think in this case, Mike Ramirez probably needed a good editor at this point, because I don't think that the metaphor really extended to the point where it was clearly understood," said Jack Ohman, the cartoonist with The Portland Oregonian. Those are fighting words, and editorial cartoonists are capable of fighting long and hard over such matters as the thickness of lines, the size of caricatured noses, the shape of a box, the placement and quantity of words in a cartoon, and, most heatedly, the use of crosshatching. In fact, until the Secret Service came along, the loudest debate among cartoonists was between the "hatchers" -- those who use drawn grids to shade their images -- and their foes, who accuse them of complacency and visual fuddy-duddiness. This is, in fact, a political debate. The crosshatchers and nose-stretchers have come under assault from a group of upstart cartoonists who call themselves "alties" -- short for alternative -- who draw angry, sarcastic cartoons in a text-heavy, busy postmodern style that often incorporates parodies of TV advertising and Rex Morgan, MD. These cartoonists -- including Tom Tomorrow, Ruben Bolling and Ted Rall -- got their start in city entertainment weeklies and fringe publications such as World War Three Illustrated. Their style is jarring and funny enough that it has been picked up by a number of major U.S. dailies -- though, because they tend to be far to the left of the U.S. cartooning mainstream, they tend to attract endless letters to the editor, and editors often ban their work. Ted Rall, for instance, sparked a major media controversy last year when he drew a cartoon mocking "terror widows" -- the wives of victims such as murdered Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl who seemed to have become TV sensations. That cartoon was banned by The Washington Post and other publications, and turned Rall into something of a pariah. Rall has led the attack by the "alties" on the "nasties" -- the mainstream cartoonists, who tend to model their style after Thomas Nast, the early 20th-century cartoonist who drew for what was then the aggressively Republican Harper's Magazine. Nast was a true innovator: He abandoned the heavy allegories of earlier styles and devoted himself to grotesque caricature, especially of Democratic fixer Boss Tweed. The nasties ridicule the style of the alties because it relies on text and a narrative line, rather than drawing, caricature and allegory, to tell its story -- a no-no among some of the crosshatching traditionalists. The fight has raged on the cartoonists' on-line discussion groups, and at their annual gathering in Philadelphia this May, it became an outrageous debate between Ted Rall and Kelley of the Times-Picayune, a Pulitzer Prize-winning "nastie." "It's not just about the hatching," Rall says from his New York office (he does not have a home paper -- none of New York's four daily papers have editorial cartoonists -- but draws for a syndicate). "It's about styles of presentation. There's a sameness, a stylistic stranglehold that exists in cartooning. I think it's important to have a unique style, while the industry values a style that looks like everyone else's. I've had editors say to me that they can't take my work because it doesn't look like an editorial cartoon. What does that mean?" Even diehard hatchers acknowledge that a homogeneity has overtaken the industry. The syndicated American cartoonist Daryl Cagle, who compiles a daily index of his country's cartoons for the on-line magazine Slate, often draws attention to what he calls "Yahtzees" -- more than five cartoons in a day containing exactly the same image or joke. The death of Bob Hope last week was a grand-mal Yahtzee. Cagle assembled scores of cartoons that featured the comedian entertaining the troops in heaven, and a dozen more showing abandoned microphones. "The big story in editorial cartooning is the McDonald's-ization of cartoons," he said. "We are witnessing the death of the profession of American cartooning. A lot of papers are dropping their staff cartoonists. "The problem with diversity in editorial cartoons is syndication -- the papers like to see cartoons that fit into a [square] box without too many words." The lack of diversity is often staggering -- and it seems to be accompanied by a lack of political diversity (and, according to cartoonists, the lack of a single black American cartoonist). While Cagle says that almost all cartoonists are moderate liberals, they become deeply conservative on American military matters. The death of Uday and Qusay Hussein last month provoked dozens of cartoons showing the brothers burning in hell, creating a fascinating synergy between the usually divergent styles of American and Middle-Eastern cartoonists. Kelley of the Times-Picayune bristles at the accusation that he's an old-schooler. He, along with many other North American cartoonists, embraced a new style in the sixties and seventies, heavily influenced by Mad magazine, that eschewed the heavy allegories of previous generations. Gone were the giant octopuses labelled "world communism" and the doves sitting on barbed wire. Their style was slapstick, dynamic and largely text-free. Kelley seems baffled by the attack from Ted Rall. "I prefer cartoons that use fewer words," he says. "Why would someone say that I was wrong for using symbolism? I think of 'old school' as like those sort of old guys who were just telling people what to think." -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:55:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: ABOUT THE WATERFRONT Comments: To: THE-WORKS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABOUT THE WATERFRONT Dozing off into fried dreams, dusks frittered to bonne nuit, Skeltonic rhododendrons within and without the telemorphokinesis, Boston's vegetal forceps in bloom, quagmires of dactyloscopic rooks on wires of air, the tough tinsel nut modernity hung thriving on the thread of a generation. How much more scintillantly splenetic could the ragamuffins of electronics become? Where to cast or not to cast downtown ellipses of joyhood to trucks of passersby behind the public gardens in lanes of largesse and others of fireproof spring, strongbox efflorescence, securities jacked up, life going hand in hand with economics? The sky coat is spread wetly over the scrapers. In the earth ballistic bulbs burgeon. The spade bank is full of spades. Piers are pincers. They are paroles. They are sunk to their barrels, filled with seagull-squashed linen sleep and aquatic projections into the cobalt blotting sun. Philip Nikolayev, 1999 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:10:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: ABOUT THE WATERFRONT In-Reply-To: <000201c35a98$84cca9c0$0100a8c0@bucephalus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "vegetal forceps" coolio! At 10:55 AM -0400 8/4/03, Fulcrum Annual wrote: > ABOUT THE WATERFRONT > > Dozing off into fried dreams, > dusks frittered > to bonne nuit, Skeltonic > rhododendrons within > and without the > telemorphokinesis, > Boston's vegetal forceps in bloom, > quagmires > of dactyloscopic rooks > on wires of air, > the tough tinsel nut > modernity > hung thriving > on the thread of > a generation. How much more > scintillantly splenetic > could the ragamuffins > of electronics become? Where > to cast or not to cast > downtown ellipses of joyhood > to trucks of passersby > behind the public gardens > in lanes of largesse > and others of fireproof > spring, strongbox > efflorescence, > securities jacked up, > life going hand in hand > with economics? > The sky coat is spread > wetly over the scrapers. > In the earth > ballistic bulbs burgeon. > The spade bank > is full of spades. > Piers are pincers. > They are paroles. > They are > sunk to their barrels, > filled with seagull-squashed > linen sleep and aquatic > projections into > the cobalt blotting sun. > >Philip Nikolayev, 1999 -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:44:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Reading at 21 Grand, Oakland In-Reply-To: <20030804042540.77729.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cynthia, are you the individual I talked to about reading at Grand street? kari edwards On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:25 PM, cynthia sailers wrote: > Come see the New Brutalism=97 > Featuring > > Nick Piombino and Patrick Durgin > > Sunday, August 10th > 7-9 PM > at 21 Grand > 449 B 23rd St. Oakland > $4 cover > > > Nick Piombino=92s books include Poems (Sun and Moon), > The Boundary of Blur: Essays (Roof), Light Street > (Zasterle), Theoretical Objects (Green Integer) and > The Boundary of Theory (Cuneiform). Recent poems in > Avec #8 and #10, Ribot #5 and #6, Situation #10, > Zoom-Zoom #5, TORQUE #4, POTEPOETZINE 1, Rhizome #2 > and #4, Crayon #1, Boundary 2, An Avec Sampler and > Kenning #10. Recent critical writing in M/E/A/N/I/N/G > #17, #18, Le Discours Psychanalytique #12, fragmente > #6, Transkatalog 2/3, Chain 3 and 9, Gendai > Shisou-revue de la pensee d'aujourdhui1996, vol. > 24-10, POTEPOETEXTFOUR and Kiosk #1 .Recent collages > in Chain #6 and Poetry Plastique. His work has been > anthologized in The L=3DA=3DN=3DG=3DU=3DA=3DG=3DE Book, In The > American Tree, The Politics of Poetic Form, =46rom The > Other Side of the Century, The Gertrude Stein Awards > in Innovative American Poetry 1993-1994, and > 1994-1995, Close Listening, Manifesto: A Century of > Isms and Poetry Plastique. His home page on the web, > including a recent recording of 22 of his poems read > live on WKCR, is on the SUNY=92Buffalo Electronic Poetry > Center at writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/piombino > His weblog =96fait accompli- is at > http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ > > Patrick Durgin is the author of Pundits Scribes Pupils > (Potes & Poets, 1998), And so on (Texture Press, > 1999), Sorter (Duration Press, 2001), and Color Music > (Cuneiform Press, 2003). His poetry and other > writings have appeared in various magazines over the > years, including Aufgabe, Chain, Crayon, Electronic > Poetry Review, Jacket, nthposition, The Poetry > Project Newsletter, Rain Taxi Review of Books, > Rattapallax, and Tripwire. He > edits and publishes the small press journal Kenning > and is contributing editor of the Electronic Poetry > Center. His last bay area reading was three and a > half years ago at Canessa Park, on his 30th birthday, > nine days following the Y2K promotional scheme ended. > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Harriet Zinnes HZnnes@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:19:54 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: to subscribe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Staff: I've received your "reply" but what would you like me to do? You give no instructions! Harriet Zinnes ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:51:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: ~ Conclusions ~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. 2. 3. 4. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:14:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Ernst Herbeck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Everyone, I'm doing translations of poetry by the German "naive" poet, Ernst Herbeck on Elsewhere: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Anyone who knows anything about Herbeck, please backchannel. What I've learned so far is fascinating, but I would love other leads. Thanks! Gary _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:11:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. Comments: To: UK POETRY Comments: cc: poltroon In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am carrying water for Alistair Johnston's Poltroon Press here. (Alistair not being on this list). But here's the description of book he has done that will be great news to people both in the poetry and the printing world (you might say, Fine Press with the "Fine" upside down), and the cast of participating characters is variously legendary. Go to Poltroon Press' website (www.poltroon.com) for both some images (e.g., a photo Raworth & Dorn looking like peas in a pod), pricing and ordering info. This is a period piece (seventies) right out there on an edge. With beaucoup humor, where "beaucoup" does mean "beautiful cut." The rest here is Alistair speaking de livre: Zephyrus Image is an undeservedly obscure small press from the San Francisco Bay area of the 1970s. But, by their own choosing, they used alternative methods of distribution from those available to small presses (bookstores, libraries, collectors) and instead gave their works away in a mysterious yet timely manner. Much of their work was political ephemera aimed at the powers that were: The Nixon Whitehouse, Governor Ronald Reagan, while supporting the Haight-Ashbury Diggers, Timothy Leary and the Black Panther Party. Their literary works were often self-consciously well-made pamphlets by Robert Creeley, Robert Bly, Fielding Dawson and Lucia Berlin, among others. They also collaborate with Funk artist William T. Wiley and film-maker Stan Brakhage. Their closest allies were Ed Dorn and Tom Raworth who brought ideas, energy and connections to the scene. Some exceedinly fugitive pieces by these avant-garde poets were cranked out in small editions, quite often on a spontaeous lark. The energy and effort that went into such fanciful pieces were contrary to the whimsy with which they were conceived and delivered. In addition to their newspaper, BEAN NEWS, they produced broadsides, pamphlets and toys with these two remarkable poets. As editor and publisher Bob Callahan said of the Zephyrus Image enterprise: "No one before or since took a printing press like they did and threw it into a hole and created lightning." Alastair Johnston's bibliography tells the story of this operation and documents it with historic photos and reproductions of over 100 items that they printed. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:28:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Weapons of Exclusion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Weapons of Exclusion being fashionable success provides individualism within a dress code. I look distinctive; in a Mao suit Italian fabric of course is used. I am what everyone desires; The Pachamama and Viracocha went to war and tore each other’s bodies bleeding ice water. Upscale goods make you a part of the cognoscenti, symbolic and cultural value like ear plugs and lip rings separates me from the proles. Tears burn open a hole in the Earth— humanity, like a frozen bag of plasma is ready for the butcher’s table. the main feature of post-modernity each of us plays multiple roles and has various styles of understanding. The assertion of identity is a matter of constant urgency the manufacture of 'personality' decides for us how we are perceived. Art provides a short cut by which we enter another identity and join a subculture that insulates us from contamination by other people. All art is clever marketing and consumer exploitation. Socially Pasteurized a platform for enunciating messages which invite the aesthetic challenge the opaqueness of the artist’s intentions rob the performance of much of its subversive thrust. The Meaning of Art. The emphasis that city life gives to appearances concentrates attention on the artistic. This makes art and design a disciplinary power it coerces the body to shape and rearrange itself in accordance with ever-shifting social expectations. The ability to diet, apply facial cosmetics, arrange clothes, and wear ornamentation, are in the service of aesthetic innovations that continually reinvent subjectivity. The docile body shows how elements of and artistic lifestyle are fused with the urban habits of reading fashion magazines, engaging in body-sculpting, gym work-outs, cosmetic surgery and periodic internments at health and fat farms – ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea which is later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a Lutheran. I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian. A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You pollute both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a play up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists tried to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts art on paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the idea of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as his justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal master Ialdeboth. Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead and look for God, but tie your camel up first. There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In one, you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. Some modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went completely mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud and Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as crazy as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is cute; irrelevant to modern understandings of valuation, but cute nonetheless. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Olson" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea which is > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a > Lutheran. > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian. > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You pollute > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a play > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists tried > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts art on > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the idea > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as his > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal > master Ialdeboth. > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead and > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In one, > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. Some > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went completely > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud and > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as crazy > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > -- Kirby Olson > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:19:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT moolah hula specie? specious. species: individuus. what the mint meant: IOUs no news. full faith & credit? you wouldn't want to wed it. DZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Olson" To: Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea which is > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a > Lutheran. > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian. > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You pollute > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a play > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists tried > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts art on > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the idea > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as his > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal > master Ialdeboth. > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead and > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In one, > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. Some > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went completely > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud and > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as crazy > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > -- Kirby Olson > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:23:18 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Geoffrey, could you explain what was cute at greater length? Matt's message on Arabic vs. Roman money, Christ's message, Klossowski's message, Luther's ideas?? -- Kirby Geoffrey Gatza wrote: > This is cute; irrelevant to modern understandings of valuation, but cute > nonetheless. > > Best, Geoffrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > God's. > > > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > which is > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as > a > > Lutheran. > > > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > Christian. > > > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven > and > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, > and > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > pollute > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying > he > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > play > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > tried > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > art on > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing > the idea > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism > as his > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering > to > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our > carnal > > master Ialdeboth. > > > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go > ahead and > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. > In one, > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > Some > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > completely > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like > Rigaud and > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > crazy > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: NEW BOOK BY THOMAS MEYER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Skanky Possum is pleased to announce the publication of COROMANDEL by Thomas Meyer. 64 pp. Staple-bound. $5 plus $1.50 p/h Order direct now or through SPD later this month www.skankypossum.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:59:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: recent flute pieces and archaea pieces MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII recent flute pieces and archaea pieces interrelationship between choate and inchoate emerges and inscriptions cutting through organisms and worlds fast-forward recovery of coherency motility and opportunisms of life-forms surrounded by bankruptcies lovefuriou Lovedifficultygi; Wsyproblematic Bee*^yychaos of love bee*^yymiserable iniquity Be+Wfound objecthood be+Wdeath of all concerned ceWmysterious ecnot a clue a dropped lock of hair W*oneWblond W*andWbrunette W*youWfrightful breasts W*YouWvoluptuous W*areWcharismatic moments W*areWdarker lockupgi; W*thereWnameless and exhausted W*ThereWmuff of black fuzzgi; W*to+Wnoughtgi; Wwin the wind WWabu.ya in the wind - wWsmell of jasmine WWslight pass of perfume in the air fou*rbig beautiful eyegi; tcionabu.ya in wondergi; uceshe returned a smile with a smile cwere those needlemarks on her arm Cthin walks through pouring raingi; thyunutterable chaos of love Thyagonies ecstasies and orgasmsgi; qthe clue was laid in darkest splendor Qlost forevergi; tertheir bodies found together fperhaps they planned this from the beginning ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 23:59:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: archaea5.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII archaea5.exe descriptor < > before the names coordinate delineation archaea size resizing closer to an origin http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea5.exe for now one of these ways it happens this way __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:24:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.poltroonpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 21:24:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: California law bans gender identity bias In-Reply-To: <000301c35b09$784384f0$210110ac@CADALY> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit perfect time in the face of Pres. Bushs hate speak California law bans gender identity bias Ahmar Mustikhan, Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network Monday, August 4, 2003 / 04:46 PM Embattled California Gov. Gray Davis signed a bill on Saturday to outlaw bias on the basis of gender identity and expression, revising the state's Fair Employment and Housing Act. The bill, introduced by openly gay Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, was sponsored by Equality California and formally supported by more that 50 other local, state and national organizations. "Every day, I am contacted by transgender people who have lost their jobs or their homes, simply because of who they are. It is long past time that California and other states put an end to this devastating and costly discrimination," said Chris Daley, an attorney with the California-based Transgender Law Center. The amended California law describes discrimination based on sex as including discrimination based on gender, which includes a person's "identity, appearance or behavior whether or not that identity, appearance or behavior is different from that traditionally associated with the person's sex at birth." "By enacting AB 196 into law, Californians are sending a powerful message that no person can be denied employment or housing based on gender-related characteristics," said Shannon Minter, legal director for the San Francisco-based National Center for Lesbian Rights (NCLR). The National Transgender Advocacy Coalition (NTAC) said it was "overjoyed" with Davis' signature, as it thought the prospects for enactment seemed less optimistic given the political environment, where Davis is faced with a recall vote amid the state's economic woes. "The governor exhibited clarity under pressure," said Vanessa Edwards Foster, chair of NTAC. "We only wish more of our political leaders could show as much leadership." An ebullient Gwen Smith, founder of Remembering Our Dead, a Web site devoted to transgender victims of murder, said, "I am amazed -- and pleased -- that Gov. Davis chose to sign this bill, even in the midst of mounting attacks." California became the fourth state to ban discrimination against transgender employees and tenants. The three other states that have enacted laws prohibiting discrimination on the basis of gender identity and expression are Minnesota, Rhode Island and New Mexico. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 07:47:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Carter Subject: self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" { } self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) with fraudulence every day an everyday occurrence the body being among other things a magnetic body the space nearby becoming therefore a candidate for some kind of field or another for a portion of blackened spaces in the proximity of a current-carrying body her many voices working themselves into the weave of illuminated spaces in which "the" (itself) turned into "a" search for "where" or due to a multiplicity of media saturations: the mother of his phrases exemplifying matrix that she is in her enveloping qualities and functions without having put special marks upon around or about any of the ingredients though in the case of one it may be argued that some kind of marking might be in order and might serve everyone and every thing well: well ya know what? as has been prominently displayed developed and further propagated chance and risk elisioned favorite family member into the fray for repair of despair as well as the single or the double loop cycle-clinger all this in the spin-off notice take note kindly attend beware: caution! be alert: can be detected through various information(al) multiplicities tracing shadowy spaces in which the magnetic forces the many spaces that may show up here the many voices that may show up here even my own now juxtapose sexual entities choices preferences spicing splicing dicing up the endeavor or activities by including some that are my own that when read here may not be "touched" then from those other places come those other voices saying things I wouldn't want traced back to me something that has inspired little relief mind you yet proceed I must yet pro seed I trust that being skeptical and hopeful at the same time might yield some quality fruit notwithstanding indeed inspired by all these little bits broken off from one another and from a greater whole suggesting meaninglessness indeed convincing her that meaninglessness prevails but now too much has been given away too much has given way the very idea of which is a ploy and a ruse to a void which would label the fruits of someone's labor and then go beyond such markings such namings into being itself such as just sitting there doing nothing but being something that is which is not quite identical to being something that exists thus very thin layer after very thin layer slid away so there's much much more coming from the fact that I'm frightened of the forces possibly unleased by these proceedings empire compulsion within the areas of art, art areas, art dimensions, artistic dimensions, within art, some you will guess and others you won't this will shall be that kind of page these pages shall be those kinds of pages shadowy pages which seduce: she's just trying to let us know that it all goes together and that the gang is gonna get you and me too and this has been going on for thousands of years she's been playing a commanding role in forcing the issue(s) into tissues which in turn absorb as well provide body with body which body feels within it('s) needs its very seeds of beaming be aiming toward kosmic reunification which is already a done deal but k(no)w it isn't it is which still furnishes art with shamanism among other skins for the protection of us all I wonder now is that what the modernists contend? wondering as well as wandering in the dark took a little too much time without typing frustrates the compulsion to type daring wand the wand which dares wander already too much body-current animism of the very page itself -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 05:49:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Encyclopoetica MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Encyclopoetica www.encyclopoetica.com/1.html www.encyclopoetica.com/2.html www.encyclopoetica.com/3.html www.encyclopoetica.com/4.html www.encyclopoetica.com/5.html www.encyclopoetica.com/6.html www.encyclopoetica.com/7.html sincerely, august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 06:04:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nice...cross dialogic..!! beautiful in a re-(de)fined kind of diagnostic double speak Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 04:47 AM, Daniel Carter wrote: > { } > > self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) with fraudulence every day an > everyday occurrence the body being among other things a magnetic body > the space nearby becoming therefore a candidate for some kind of > field or another for a portion of blackened spaces in the proximity > of a current-carrying body her many voices working themselves into > the weave of illuminated spaces in which "the" (itself) turned into > "a" search for "where" or due to a multiplicity of media saturations: > the mother of his phrases exemplifying matrix that she is in her > enveloping qualities and functions without having put special marks > upon around or about any of the ingredients though in the case of one > it may be argued that some kind of marking might be in order and > might serve everyone and every thing well: well ya know what? as has > been prominently displayed developed and further propagated chance > and risk elisioned favorite family member into the fray for repair of > despair as well as the single or the double loop cycle-clinger all > this in the spin-off notice take note kindly attend beware: caution! > be alert: can be detected through various information(al) > multiplicities tracing shadowy spaces in which the magnetic forces > the many spaces that may show up here the many voices that may show > up here even my own now juxtapose sexual entities > choices preferences spicing splicing dicing up the endeavor or > activities by including some that are my own that when read here may > not be "touched" then from those other places come those other voices > saying things I wouldn't want traced back to me something that has > inspired little relief mind you yet proceed I must yet pro seed I > trust that being skeptical and hopeful at the same time might yield > some quality fruit notwithstanding indeed inspired by all these > little bits broken off from one another and from a greater whole > suggesting meaninglessness indeed convincing her that meaninglessness > prevails but now too much has been given away too much has given way > the very idea of which is a ploy and a ruse to a void which would > label the fruits of someone's labor and then go beyond such markings > such namings into being itself such as just sitting there doing > nothing but being something that is which is not quite identical to > being something that exists thus very thin layer after very thin > layer slid away so there's much much more coming from the fact that > I'm frightened of the forces possibly unleased by these proceedings > empire compulsion within the areas of art, art areas, art dimensions, > artistic dimensions, within art, some you will guess and others you > won't this will shall be that kind of page these pages shall be those > kinds of pages shadowy pages which seduce: she's just trying to let > us know that it all goes together and that the gang is gonna get you > and me too and this has been going on for thousands of years she's > been playing a commanding role in forcing the issue(s) into tissues > which in turn absorb as well provide body with body which body feels > within it('s) needs its very seeds of beaming be aiming toward kosmic > reunification which is already a done deal but k(no)w it isn't it is > which still furnishes art with shamanism among other skins for the > protection of us all I wonder now is that what the modernists > contend? wondering as well as wandering in the dark took a little too > much time without typing frustrates the compulsion to type daring > wand the wand which dares wander already too much body-current > animism of the very page itself > > > > > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:59:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Mon Amour Mon Amour Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marie Trintignant died Fri. 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"Janis & John" Joplin Colette Funeral Pere Lachaise stunned.."mon amour" 'mon amour' em- braced pacifism.. ardent opponents war in Iraq... sexuality in a male monde.... drn drn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:18:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Fwd: [deeplistening] US Losing Control of Afghanistan Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >X-From_: >sentto-7702453-2311-1060047981-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >Mon Aug 4 20:46:26 2003 >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM >X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com #+NE+NR+UF+CB (A,-) >X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: > >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-7702453-2311-1060047981-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >X-Sender: postman@truthout.org >X-Apparently-To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >To: >X-Priority: 3 >Importance: Normal >From: "t r u t h o u t" >X-Yahoo-Profile: truthout2000 >Mailing-List: list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com; contact >deeplistening-owner@yahoogroups.com >Delivered-To: mailing list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >List-Unsubscribe: >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:45:15 -0700 (PDT) >Subject: [deeplistening] US Losing Control of Afghanistan >Reply-To: postman@mail.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 08.05 > >US Losing Control of Afghanistan >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503A.shtml > >Number of US Troops Wounded in Iraq Unreported >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503B.shtml > >Molly Ivins | 9-11 Report Offers Findings That Were Obvious from the Get-Go >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503C.shtml > >Powell, Armitage Reportedly to Resign after Election >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503D.shtml > >Gov. Davis to Sue to Delay Recall >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503E.shtml > >Washington Post | Calling for Candor >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503F.shtml > >Bitterness Grows in Iraq Over Deaths of Civilians >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503G.shtml > >David Morse | What Was Behind the Pentagon's Betting Parlor? >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503H.shtml > >More Calls to Vet Electronic Voting Machines >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503I.shtml > >Steve Chapman | Something Else Missing in Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 08.04 > >Marc Ash | 'Personal' Responsibility >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403A.shtml > >At Funeral for Hussein Sons, a Call for 'Death to America' >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403B.shtml > >US Activists Subjected to Secret Airport Ban >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403C.shtml > >Political Violence Rising in Afghanistan >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403D.shtml > >Democrats: Bush Policies Worsen State Finances >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403E.shtml > >Murder, Crime Rates Cast Fear in Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403F.shtml > >Maureen Dowd | Butch Butch Bush! >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403G.shtml > >Texas Democrats Vow Not to Back Down >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403H.shtml > >Niger Demands Exoneration from Bush Iraq-Uranium Charge >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403I.shtml > >Questions Grow Over Iraq Links to al-Qaeda >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 08.03 > >Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml > >At Least 108 Americans Dead in Iraq since May 1st >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303B.shtml > >Now We Pay the Warlords to Tyrannise the Afghan People >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303C.shtml > >US Nobel Laureate Slams Bush Gov't as "Worst" in American History >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303D.shtml > >Facing A Second Nuclear Age >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303E.shtml > >Bait and Switch: The Neocon Case for War in Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303F.shtml > >John Pilger | War on Truth >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303G.shtml > >Norman Solomon | U.S. Media Are Too Soft on the White House >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303H.shtml > >Walter Williams | Bush's High Crimes Against the Nation >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303I.shtml > >Senator Clinton Says Supreme Court Still Merits Mistrust >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 08.02 > >White House Abandons Original Rationale for War >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203A.shtml > >Rebuilding Iraq May Cost $100 Billion, Bremer Says >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203B.shtml > >Paul Krugman | State of Decline >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203C.shtml > >Iraq War 'May Have Driven Muslims into Arms of al-Qaida' >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203D.shtml > >Mark Moford | George W. Bush Means Nothing >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203E.shtml > >On the Lam, Texas Democrats Rough It >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203F.shtml > >New York Times | Sidestepping on Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203G.shtml > >Bush Prefers Weapons Programs to Weapons >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203H.shtml > >White House Continues Sanctions Against Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203I.shtml > >Nicholas Kristof | Grabbing the Nettle >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 08.01 > >Poindexter To Resign Over Terror Bets Plan >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103A.shtml > >Bob Herbert | Dying In Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103B.shtml > >ACLU Issues Major Challenge to Patriot Act >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103C.shtml > >Two US Soldiers Killed in Iraq, Troops 'Powerless' Against Attacks >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103D.shtml > >U.S. Bartering Arms for Foreign Soldiers to Use in Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103E.shtml > >Steve Perry | Top 40 Bush Administration Lies on Iraq War and Terror >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103F.shtml > >Bush Backs Bid to Block Gay Marriage >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103G.shtml > >Marc Semo | 'They Treat Us Like Cattle' >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103H.shtml > >U.S. Interrogations of Iraq Scientists Net No Evidence of WMDs >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103I.shtml > >NOW with Bill Moyers | "Inside the Pentagon" >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080103J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 07.31 > >TO Interview: Stan Goff with Jennifer Van Bergen >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103A.shtml > >Bush Takes Responsibility for Iraq-Niger Claims >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103B.shtml > >Henry Waxman | What Did Rice Know About CIA's Iraq Doubts? >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103C.shtml > >Bipartisan Assault on Administration's Iraq War Claims >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103D.shtml > >Helen Thomas | Bush's Vietnam-Sized Credibility Gap >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103E.shtml > >Electronic Voting Systems 'Can't Be Trusted' >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103F.shtml > >Sierra Club: Senate Ditches Fuel Economy Standards >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103G.shtml > >Grenade Attacks in Iraq Wound Three U.S. Soldiers >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103H.shtml > >Ray McGovern | Cheney Chicanery >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103I.shtml > >Bush, the Rainforest, and a Gas Pipeline to Enrich his Friends >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073103J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > >t r u t h o u t | 07.30 > >White House Refuses to Declassify Saudi-9/11 Material >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003A.shtml > >Plan to Allow Bets on Terror Strikes Created, Then Scrapped >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003B.shtml > >US Soldier Killed, Three Wounded in Iraq >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003C.shtml > >John Cory | Terrorism and Saudi Arabia >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003D.shtml > >Democratic Lawmakers Flee Texas Again >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003E.shtml > >Paul Krugman | You Say Tomato >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003F.shtml > >Americans Worried About Job Security, Economy >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003G.shtml > >3 Legal Challenges Mounted Against California Recall >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003H.shtml > >Jean de Belot | Censorship as a Confession >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003I.shtml > >US Backs Down on Claim Saddam's Bodyguard Caught >http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/073003J.shtml > >Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org > >_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > > > >------------------------ Yahoo! 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I've posted an old story on my blog about the first two days of the press, as well as my review of Seabiscuit, and information on the Boog City reading in Oakland next month, and a whole bunch of other fun stuff. check it out: http://boogcity.blogspot.com/ hope all is well. as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:16:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: [deeplistening] US Losing Control of Afghanistan!! In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thanks, Maria, for posting. It's amazing when so much Imperial/colonial news is relatively easily available, that public outrage combined with an aggressive media is still so minimal. (By the way the documentary on the Weather Underground I found to be terrific - and it does all kinds of issues as to what is effective militancy, public leadership from the left - plus the image of a young Fred Hampton giving a speech in Chicago before he was assassinated by the police in his bed is incredibly sad - memories of Marvin Gaye forever moving- was the line "Freddy's dead" ). Here's a haiku truncation of an article in the morning NY Times where an American contractor was killed in Iraq: Cheney's former company already has garnered more than $600 million in military work related to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and potentially could earn billions more without having to compete with other companies. Under a 10-year contract signed in 2001, Kellogg Brown & Root is the Army's sole provider of troop support services -- a deal that has led to work orders so far totaling $529.4 million related to the two wars. The company also was given a separate, no-bid contract worth $71.3 million to repair and operate oil wells in Iraq. The doling out of the work orders has prompted criticism from some Democrats in Congress that Cheney's former company is receiving favored treatment ___ Oh well, as in Oil W... Stephen V on 8/5/03 7:18 AM, Maria Damon at damon001@UMN.EDU wrote: >> X-From_: >> sentto-7702453-2311-1060047981-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >> Mon Aug 4 20:46:26 2003 >> X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] mhub-m5.tc.umn.edu #+LO+NM >> X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com #+NE+NR+UF+CB (A,-) >> X-Umn-Report-As-Spam: >> > dUT@lMWhFBpWjkLeLEoM> >> X-eGroups-Return: >> sentto-7702453-2311-1060047981-damon001=umn.edu@returns.groups.yahoo.com >> X-Sender: postman@truthout.org >> X-Apparently-To: deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >> To: >> X-Priority: 3 >> Importance: Normal >> From: "t r u t h o u t" >> X-Yahoo-Profile: truthout2000 >> Mailing-List: list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com; contact >> deeplistening-owner@yahoogroups.com >> Delivered-To: mailing list deeplistening@yahoogroups.com >> List-Unsubscribe: >> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:45:15 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: [deeplistening] US Losing Control of Afghanistan >> Reply-To: postman@mail.truthout.org >> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> t r u t h o u t | 08.05 >> >> US Losing Control of Afghanistan >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503A.shtml >> >> Number of US Troops Wounded in Iraq Unreported >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503B.shtml >> >> Molly Ivins | 9-11 Report Offers Findings That Were Obvious from the Get-Go >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503C.shtml >> >> Powell, Armitage Reportedly to Resign after Election >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503D.shtml >> >> Gov. Davis to Sue to Delay Recall >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503E.shtml >> >> Washington Post | Calling for Candor >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503F.shtml >> >> Bitterness Grows in Iraq Over Deaths of Civilians >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503G.shtml >> >> David Morse | What Was Behind the Pentagon's Betting Parlor? >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503H.shtml >> >> More Calls to Vet Electronic Voting Machines >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503I.shtml >> >> Steve Chapman | Something Else Missing in Iraq >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080503J.shtml >> >> Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >> Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org >> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> t r u t h o u t | 08.04 >> >> Marc Ash | 'Personal' Responsibility >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403A.shtml >> >> At Funeral for Hussein Sons, a Call for 'Death to America' >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403B.shtml >> >> US Activists Subjected to Secret Airport Ban >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403C.shtml >> >> Political Violence Rising in Afghanistan >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403D.shtml >> >> Democrats: Bush Policies Worsen State Finances >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403E.shtml >> >> Murder, Crime Rates Cast Fear in Iraq >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403F.shtml >> >> Maureen Dowd | Butch Butch Bush! >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403G.shtml >> >> Texas Democrats Vow Not to Back Down >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403H.shtml >> >> Niger Demands Exoneration from Bush Iraq-Uranium Charge >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403I.shtml >> >> Questions Grow Over Iraq Links to al-Qaeda >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080403J.shtml >> >> Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >> Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org >> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> t r u t h o u t | 08.03 >> >> Saudi Government Provided Aid to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303A.shtml >> >> At Least 108 Americans Dead in Iraq since May 1st >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303B.shtml >> >> Now We Pay the Warlords to Tyrannise the Afghan People >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303C.shtml >> >> US Nobel Laureate Slams Bush Gov't as "Worst" in American History >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303D.shtml >> >> Facing A Second Nuclear Age >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303E.shtml >> >> Bait and Switch: The Neocon Case for War in Iraq >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303F.shtml >> >> John Pilger | War on Truth >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303G.shtml >> >> Norman Solomon | U.S. Media Are Too Soft on the White House >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303H.shtml >> >> Walter Williams | Bush's High Crimes Against the Nation >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303I.shtml >> >> Senator Clinton Says Supreme Court Still Merits Mistrust >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080303J.shtml >> >> Click to SUBSCRIBE -> https://www.truthout.org/membership/sub_mgmt.php >> Go direct to our HomePage : http://www.truthout.org >> >> _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> >> t r u t h o u t | 08.02 >> >> White House Abandons Original Rationale for War >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203A.shtml >> >> Rebuilding Iraq May Cost $100 Billion, Bremer Says >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203B.shtml >> >> Paul Krugman | State of Decline >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203C.shtml >> >> Iraq War 'May Have Driven Muslims into Arms of al-Qaida' >> http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/080203D.shtml >> >> Mark Moford | George W. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:21:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: NYT review of GOD SAVE MY QUEEN by Daniel Nester MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit if you haven't seen this book yet, DO! it's wild and fun! http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/03/books/review/0802br-briefs.html?pagewanted=2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:37:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Susan Stewart fans, below is a link to a rather interesting article you may want to check out. Don Riggs has written a beautiful article which might create new fans of those unfamiliar with her work. http://www.drexel.edu/doj/poetry/lazydog1_test.asp ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:09:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Carter Subject: Re: self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) In-Reply-To: <5E3BAFF4-C745-11D7-AD31-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Tuesday, August 5, 2003, Kari Edwards wrote: >nice...cross dialogic..!! beautiful in a re-(de)fined kind of >diagnostic double speak many thanks; very helpfully orienting in these vast spaces of spaces! >Tuesday, August 5, 2003, at 04:47 AM, Daniel Carter wrote: > >>{ } >> >>self-raising self-phrasing phrase(s) with fraudulence every day an >>everyday occurrence the body being among other things a magnetic body >>the space nearby becoming therefore a candidate for some kind of >>field or another for a portion of blackened spaces in the proximity >>of a current-carrying body her many voices working themselves into >>the weave of illuminated spaces in which "the" (itself) turned into >>"a" search for "where" or due to a multiplicity of media saturations: >>the mother of his phrases exemplifying matrix that she is in her >>enveloping qualities and functions without having put special marks >>upon around or about any of the ingredients though in the case of one >>it may be argued that some kind of marking might be in order and >>might serve everyone and every thing well: well ya know what? as has >>been prominently displayed developed and further propagated chance >>and risk elisioned favorite family member into the fray for repair of >>despair as well as the single or the double loop cycle-clinger all >>this in the spin-off notice take note kindly attend beware: caution! >>be alert: can be detected through various information(al) >>multiplicities tracing shadowy spaces in which the magnetic forces >>the many spaces that may show up here the many voices that may show >>up here even my own now juxtapose sexual entities >>choices preferences spicing splicing dicing up the endeavor or >>activities by including some that are my own that when read here may >>not be "touched" then from those other places come those other voices >>saying things I wouldn't want traced back to me something that has >>inspired little relief mind you yet proceed I must yet pro seed I >>trust that being skeptical and hopeful at the same time might yield >>some quality fruit notwithstanding indeed inspired by all these >>little bits broken off from one another and from a greater whole >>suggesting meaninglessness indeed convincing her that meaninglessness >>prevails but now too much has been given away too much has given way >>the very idea of which is a ploy and a ruse to a void which would >>label the fruits of someone's labor and then go beyond such markings >>such namings into being itself such as just sitting there doing >>nothing but being something that is which is not quite identical to >>being something that exists thus very thin layer after very thin >>layer slid away so there's much much more coming from the fact that >>I'm frightened of the forces possibly unleased by these proceedings >>empire compulsion within the areas of art, art areas, art dimensions, >>artistic dimensions, within art, some you will guess and others you >>won't this will shall be that kind of page these pages shall be those >>kinds of pages shadowy pages which seduce: she's just trying to let >>us know that it all goes together and that the gang is gonna get you >>and me too and this has been going on for thousands of years she's >>been playing a commanding role in forcing the issue(s) into tissues >>which in turn absorb as well provide body with body which body feels >>within it('s) needs its very seeds of beaming be aiming toward kosmic >>reunification which is already a done deal but k(no)w it isn't it is >>which still furnishes art with shamanism among other skins for the >>protection of us all I wonder now is that what the modernists >>contend? wondering as well as wandering in the dark took a little too >>much time without typing frustrates the compulsion to type daring >>wand the wand which dares wander already too much body-current >>animism of the very page itself >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:49:10 -0700 Reply-To: robintm@tf.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Tremblay-McGaw Organization: Trauma Foundation Subject: contact for tina darragh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear All-- I'm looking for an email address for Tina Darragh. You can email me directly. robintm@tf.org Thanks, Robin Robin Tremblay-McGaw Automatic digest processor wrote: > There are 27 messages totalling 1727 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Small Press Book Fair in Brooklyn - looking for participants > 2. Reading at 21 Grand, Oakland (2) > 3. archaea3.exe > 4. archaea4.exe sulphur > 5. skyn > 6. Nijinsky's Demise > 7. Lawyer poets > 8. > About a Laptop > 9. Silliman's Blog: The New Look > 10. follow-up on political cartoons > 11. ABOUT THE WATERFRONT (2) > 12. P-Queue submission deadline extended (fwd) > 13. Welcome Message | Please Review > 14. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?poetry=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20a=20=A0=20u=20=A0?= > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20g=20=A0=208=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20a=20=A0=20u=20=A0? > = > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20g=20=A0=209=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20=A0=20*=20=A0=20*=20=A0? > = > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=20*=20=A0=20*=20=A0=20*=20=A0=20*=20=A0=20*=20=A0=20*=20?= > =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0=20*?= > 15. to subscribe (2) > 16. ~ Conclusions ~ > 17. Ernst Herbeck > 18. Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. > 19. Weapons of Exclusion > 20. History of Monetary Systems (4) > 21. NEW BOOK BY THOMAS MEYER > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:33:49 -0700 > From: matvei yankelevich > Subject: Small Press Book Fair in Brooklyn - looking for participants > > Announcing... > the Ode To Go > CHEAP small press FAIR > > Sunday, October 19, 11am to 5pm > at NEST Artspace in D.U.M.B.O. > (during the DUMBO Arts Festival) > > Ode to Go, in collaboration with Ugly Duckling Presse, is hosting the Cheap Small Press Fair at NEST in DUMBO. > > We are looking for small presses, zine publishers, book artists and magazines to join us on a Sunday afternoon in DUMBO to share their wares with the general public, and hopefull sell lots of books, mags, zines, too. > > If you're interested we need your commitment by September 1st so that we can place the proper advertising with the Dumbo Arts Fair publication and local news sources. The committment entails a $10 dollar donation to Ode to Go (a non-profit public poetry project) in exchange for which you will be guaranteed ample table space, refreshments, and promotion for your publications. > > The CHEAP small press FAIR is particularly interested in giving space to publishers who sell the majority of their creations for $10 or less. Other publishers will be considered, but -- in the spirit of making independent literature available and affordable -- we ask you not to charge more than $10 for any item sold at the fair. OK? > > Send your check or money order for $10 (or more if you can) to: > Ode to Go, 70 Washington St. GROUND FLOOR, Brooklyn, NY 11201. > > Indicate on a separate piece of paper: > Your contact name, email and phone number. > The address of your press/mag/zine (your HQ). > Your official website's url, if you have one. > And a one-sentence description of your publishing project and mission. > * Also let us know if you want us to list you in the on-line Ode to Go directory. > > If you have questions about the CHEAP Small Press Fair, your eligibility, what you get out of participating, about Ode to Go, or whatever -- > just email us at info@odetogo.com > or call us in DUMBO at 718-852-5529. > > You can come see the space where the event will take place, if you like, but give us a call first so we can show it to you. > > Thanks for your attention and we hope to hear from you soon, and look forward to browsing your wares at the fair in October. > > With best wishes. > Yr faithful servants... > > Anna Moschovakis, Matvei Yankelevich > (on behalf of Ode to Go and Ugly Duckling Presse) > > the CHEAP small press FAIR: the cheapest fair in town! > > *see the Ode to Go website to get a sense of what we're doing and find out about our past projects (Coffee Cup Poetry, etc): www.odetogo.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:25:40 -0700 > From: cynthia sailers > Subject: Reading at 21 Grand, Oakland > > Come see the New Brutalism— > Featuring > > Nick Piombino and Patrick Durgin > > Sunday, August 10th > 7-9 PM > at 21 Grand > 449 B 23rd St. Oakland > $4 cover > > Nick Piombino’s books include Poems (Sun and Moon), > The Boundary of Blur: Essays (Roof), Light Street > (Zasterle), Theoretical Objects (Green Integer) and > The Boundary of Theory (Cuneiform). Recent poems in > Avec #8 and #10, Ribot #5 and #6, Situation #10, > Zoom-Zoom #5, TORQUE #4, POTEPOETZINE 1, Rhizome #2 > and #4, Crayon #1, Boundary 2, An Avec Sampler and > Kenning #10. Recent critical writing in M/E/A/N/I/N/G > #17, #18, Le Discours Psychanalytique #12, fragmente > #6, Transkatalog 2/3, Chain 3 and 9, Gendai > Shisou-revue de la pensee d'aujourdhui1996, vol. > 24-10, POTEPOETEXTFOUR and Kiosk #1 .Recent collages > in Chain #6 and Poetry Plastique. His work has been > anthologized in The L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E Book, In The > American Tree, The Politics of Poetic Form, From The > Other Side of the Century, The Gertrude Stein Awards > in Innovative American Poetry 1993-1994, and > 1994-1995, Close Listening, Manifesto: A Century of > Isms and Poetry Plastique. His home page on the web, > including a recent recording of 22 of his poems read > live on WKCR, is on the SUNY’Buffalo Electronic Poetry > Center at writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/piombino > His weblog –fait accompli- is at > http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ > > Patrick Durgin is the author of Pundits Scribes Pupils > (Potes & Poets, 1998), And so on (Texture Press, > 1999), Sorter (Duration Press, 2001), and Color Music > (Cuneiform Press, 2003). His poetry and other > writings have appeared in various magazines over the > years, including Aufgabe, Chain, Crayon, Electronic > Poetry Review, Jacket, nthposition, The Poetry > Project Newsletter, Rain Taxi Review of Books, > Rattapallax, and Tripwire. He > edits and publishes the small press journal Kenning > and is contributing editor of the Electronic Poetry > Center. His last bay area reading was three and a > half years ago at Canessa Park, on his 30th birthday, > nine days following the Y2K promotional scheme ended. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 00:55:35 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: archaea3.exe > > archaea3.exe > > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea3.exe > > the knife stops before its destination > graphs cannot labor the human > graphisme is a-temporal through the experiential > deathless, time stalls, hacking's digital eternity > "For the talking picture, too, is mute." (Adorno, Eisler.) > > ___ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:03:05 -0400 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: archaea4.exe sulphur > > archaea4.exe sulphur > > stone > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea4.exe > > n.b. all archaea images must be clicked on > that will activate the machinery > the machinery generating cut-throat sulphur > > chemical-leached stone > to leach archaea > > __ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:48:30 -0700 > From: Lewis LaCook > Subject: skyn > > Mina Loy staring through mesh at wooden stars. Some > semblance of hypodermic memory, of a fluid she caught > somewhere in her throat, mussed and tassled. I was > wondering perhaps if those clocks that climb through > walls scarred by nicotine were in fact the apparatus > we would be breathing through this evening. No-one > could reallly answer her; the sky, lanced with crystal > hairs of lightning, acknowledge these fastened hours > in which, just by listening quietly, sound became a > long insect rolling loudly through the hallways, > beyond touch. > > I love most, when night is electric, weeping makeup, > throwing my hands through the tattoed and aroused > vectors of her skin. Mina Loy, staring up at the > ceiling, jackandcoke: each time she thought to lie > back, sink into the lattice of dark fingers stretching > her across luscious ice, the lights came on; everyone > danced the electric slide. I know what my life did to > me. She twirled like the limp of a baglady, lagging, > gutted by years that drown so sweetly in this wind. > And when Mina Loy finally got back, she brought > Anemone to tears: everyone could hear them breaking in > the hallway. > > Will I always? And if so, what exterminator could > judge her right? > > Nimble, with sour assonance. As sardonic as nights > gingerly swept from the awe of your coat. > > ===== > > NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ > > http://www.lewislacook.com/ > > tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 22:44:23 -0700 > From: alexander saliby > Subject: Nijinsky's Demise > > Dearest hannah, > > Sorry to hear of your recent demise; > may it please you to know now you're gone > the Fume-berg blooms no more > he now chooses silence instead, to arouse you... > > alex=20 > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Hannah Nijinsky=20 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 4:19 PM > Subject: [none] > > i heard a Fume-berg---when i died > it bloomed conservation=12s illegality > > hannahnijinsky@callreview.net > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:24:40 -0400 > From: David Baratier > Subject: Lawyer poets > > We were asked for reprinting rights > for one of authors who is a lawyer, > Simon Perchik, for an anthology > of poets who are (or were, when living) lawyers. > > They asked me for advice about others > Wallace Stevens and Archibald MacLeish > come to mind immediately. Can anyone > think of any others? > > This is a good chance to slip in some experimental > writing with a very traditional publisher & anthology > & I would hate to see the exposure pass. > > Backchannels appreciated. > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > PO Box 6291 > Columbus OH 43206 > USA > > http://pavementsaw.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 01:49:27 -0700 > From: Derek R > Subject: > About a Laptop > > > monitor. On the road the 60GB 7200RPM disk and 1GB > > of memory keep me > > very happy. > > for me, my laptop is for work on the go: when i have > time for some extra code jobs or really need to cram > to get a project finished. i'm not running intensive > graphics programs or doing hardcore networking -- i'm > coding, and that's about it. because of that, i want a > laptop that's gonna be rock solid, run fast and > smooth, and isn't going to weigh me down. i think a > Mac is good for all of that -- you're not going to be > contending with the (ahem) glitchiness of a Windows OS > (i'm not trying to start a browser war, but for a > computer system that you don't have to think about -- > a plug 'n' play OS -- it's gotta be Mac)... and you've > got stable and lightweight hardware to carry. i > actually find an iBook (boosted up to 512MB RAM) suits > me quite well. > > -a- > > i > need to cram > intensive > i'm > that > i want > fast and > down > i think > of > Windows > > -b- > > time > to get > graphics > > to think > and > carry > 512MB RAM > > laptopcoding > laptopcoding > > smooth > Mac is good > Mac is good for all of that > > -c- > > contending > i'm not trying > got stable > actually > quite well > > suits me > > -d- > > well > and lightweight > that > OS > > start a browser > you don't have that > > the (ahem) > > all of that > going to > gonna be > about it > or doing hardcore > > i'm not running > or really > on the go > > -e- > > of the memory > keep me > happy > very happy > > On the road > > -f- > > that's about it > because of that > > extra code > doing hardcore > > gonna be rock solid > because of that > run fast > > i'm not running > you don't have to think about > > -g- > > and > i think > > project finished > > 60GB 7200RPM 1GB i i'm i'm i > gonna i glitchiness i'm gotta i > 512MB > > i > i'm > i'm > i > 512MB > laptopcoding > laptopcoding > i'm > gonna > i'm > gonna > i'm > i > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:10:30 -0400 > From: Ron > Subject: Silliman's Blog: The New Look > > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > * now with a new look & new features * > > recent commentary: > > Philip Guston: Poet's painter > > It's not happening at the zoo > > What came in the mail > > "Ordinary poems," defined > > The perfect audience > > Regional variations among bloggers > > Nick Lawrence replies to Louis Cabri: > does Bruce Andrews write satire? > > A vacation reading list > > Questions & more questions re flarf. > > Mary Burger's poetry > > Robert Lowell & > the poetics of the Third Way > > Louis Cabri on > allusions, up or down > > Spidertangle: the_book > On the margins between poetry > & visual art > come needlepoint & more > > http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:36:35 -0230 > From: Kevin Hehir > Subject: follow-up on political cartoons > > Drawn and quartered > > They're funny until they get mad. Editorial cartoonists in the United > States are at war with each other. DOUG SAUNDERS describes the battlefield > > By DOUG SAUNDERS > Monday, August 4, 2003 - Page R1 > > It sounds like a badly drawn caricature, but it really happened. Last > week, agents from the United States Secret Service stepped into the lobby > of The Los Angeles Times and asked if they could see the paper's editorial > cartoonist about a small matter of insurrection. > > The cartoonist, Michael Ramirez, had drawn a cartoon a few days before > showing President George W. Bush with a gun held to his head. It was an > artistically accurate copy of a famous Vietnam War photo showing the > street execution of a Vietnamese man. In the cartoon, the assailant was > labelled "politics" and the background was labelled "Iraq." > > The President's men in black did not find it funny at all. It was a direct > call for assassination, they explained. "The Secret Service does take > threats against all of their protectees very seriously, and they have an > obligation to look into any threat that's made against any of their > protectees," one agent explained shortly before they visited the Times. > > The men in the dark sunglasses, blithely unaware of the newspaper > traditions of stark allegory and visual hyperbole, had lifted a heavy rock > to expose a teeming, little-seen artistic subculture fraught with arcane > disputes, political disagreements and deep-set angst. The world of North > American editorial cartooning has never received such official attention. > > The newspaper's editors, knowing their rights, refused to let the spooks > into the building. And the Secret Service suffered one of its larger > embarrassments. > > If they had looked at the cartoon more closely, they might have realized > that Ramirez is a conservative Republican cartoonist, one of the few truly > ardent supporters of Bush in that ink-stained profession. > > "He's probably the most right-wing cartoonist at any major American > newspaper," said Steve Kelley, the cartoonist with The New Orleans > Times-Picayune, himself a moderate conservative. > > Ramirez, in his characteristically ham-fisted but elegantly drawn style, > was trying to say that his president's patriotic policies had become the > victim of partisanship. "President Bush is the target, metaphorically > speaking, of a political assassination because of 16 words that he uttered > in the State of the Union [address]," the cartoonist explained. > > Within the tight-knit world of American editorial cartooning, a faint > snicker could be heard: Was Ramirez getting a taste of his own ideological > medicine? But, typical of this strange community, the loudest words were > devoted not to the politics but to the esthetics. > > "I think in this case, Mike Ramirez probably needed a good editor at this > point, because I don't think that the metaphor really extended to the > point where it was clearly understood," said Jack Ohman, the cartoonist > with The Portland Oregonian. > > Those are fighting words, and editorial cartoonists are capable of > fighting long and hard over such matters as the thickness of lines, the > size of caricatured noses, the shape of a box, the placement and quantity > of words in a cartoon, and, most heatedly, the use of crosshatching. > > In fact, until the Secret Service came along, the loudest debate among > cartoonists was between the "hatchers" -- those who use drawn grids to > shade their images -- and their foes, who accuse them of complacency and > visual fuddy-duddiness. > > This is, in fact, a political debate. The crosshatchers and > nose-stretchers have come under assault from a group of upstart > cartoonists who call themselves "alties" -- short for alternative -- who > draw angry, sarcastic cartoons in a text-heavy, busy postmodern style that > often incorporates parodies of TV advertising and Rex Morgan, MD. > > These cartoonists -- including Tom Tomorrow, Ruben Bolling and Ted Rall -- > got their start in city entertainment weeklies and fringe publications > such as World War Three Illustrated. Their style is jarring and funny > enough that it has been picked up by a number of major U.S. dailies -- > though, because they tend to be far to the left of the U.S. cartooning > mainstream, they tend to attract endless letters to the editor, and > editors often ban their work. > > Ted Rall, for instance, sparked a major media controversy last year when > he drew a cartoon mocking "terror widows" -- the wives of victims such as > murdered Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl who seemed to have > become TV sensations. That cartoon was banned by The Washington Post and > other publications, and turned Rall into something of a pariah. > > Rall has led the attack by the "alties" on the "nasties" -- the mainstream > cartoonists, who tend to model their style after Thomas Nast, the early > 20th-century cartoonist who drew for what was then the aggressively > Republican Harper's Magazine. Nast was a true innovator: He abandoned the > heavy allegories of earlier styles and devoted himself to grotesque > caricature, especially of Democratic fixer Boss Tweed. > > The nasties ridicule the style of the alties because it relies on text and > a narrative line, rather than drawing, caricature and allegory, to tell > its story -- a no-no among some of the crosshatching traditionalists. > > The fight has raged on the cartoonists' on-line discussion groups, and at > their annual gathering in Philadelphia this May, it became an outrageous > debate between Ted Rall and Kelley of the Times-Picayune, a Pulitzer > Prize-winning "nastie." > > "It's not just about the hatching," Rall says from his New York office (he > does not have a home paper -- none of New York's four daily papers have > editorial cartoonists -- but draws for a syndicate). "It's about styles of > presentation. There's a sameness, a stylistic stranglehold that exists in > cartooning. I think it's important to have a unique style, while the > industry values a style that looks like everyone else's. I've had editors > say to me that they can't take my work because it doesn't look like an > editorial cartoon. What does that mean?" > > Even diehard hatchers acknowledge that a homogeneity has overtaken the > industry. The syndicated American cartoonist Daryl Cagle, who compiles a > daily index of his country's cartoons for the on-line magazine Slate, > often draws attention to what he calls "Yahtzees" -- more than five > cartoons in a day containing exactly the same image or joke. > > The death of Bob Hope last week was a grand-mal Yahtzee. Cagle assembled > scores of cartoons that featured the comedian entertaining the troops in > heaven, and a dozen more showing abandoned microphones. > > "The big story in editorial cartooning is the McDonald's-ization of > cartoons," he said. "We are witnessing the death of the profession of > American cartooning. A lot of papers are dropping their staff cartoonists. > > "The problem with diversity in editorial cartoons is syndication -- the > papers like to see cartoons that fit into a [square] box without too many > words." > > The lack of diversity is often staggering -- and it seems to be > accompanied by a lack of political diversity (and, according to > cartoonists, the lack of a single black American cartoonist). While Cagle > says that almost all cartoonists are moderate liberals, they become deeply > conservative on American military matters. The death of Uday and Qusay > Hussein last month provoked dozens of cartoons showing the brothers > burning in hell, creating a fascinating synergy between the usually > divergent styles of American and Middle-Eastern cartoonists. > > Kelley of the Times-Picayune bristles at the accusation that he's an > old-schooler. He, along with many other North American cartoonists, > embraced a new style in the sixties and seventies, heavily influenced by > Mad magazine, that eschewed the heavy allegories of previous generations. > Gone were the giant octopuses labelled "world communism" and the doves > sitting on barbed wire. Their style was slapstick, dynamic and largely > text-free. > > Kelley seems baffled by the attack from Ted Rall. "I prefer cartoons that > use fewer words," he says. "Why would someone say that I was wrong for > using symbolism? I think of 'old school' as like those sort of old guys > who were just telling people what to think." > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:55:55 -0400 > From: Fulcrum Annual > Subject: ABOUT THE WATERFRONT > > ABOUT THE WATERFRONT > > Dozing off into fried dreams, > dusks frittered > to bonne nuit, Skeltonic > rhododendrons within > and without the > telemorphokinesis, > Boston's vegetal forceps in bloom, > quagmires > of dactyloscopic rooks > on wires of air, > the tough tinsel nut > modernity > hung thriving > on the thread of > a generation. How much more > scintillantly splenetic > could the ragamuffins > of electronics become? Where > to cast or not to cast > downtown ellipses of joyhood > to trucks of passersby > behind the public gardens > in lanes of largesse > and others of fireproof > spring, strongbox > efflorescence, > securities jacked up, > life going hand in hand > with economics? > The sky coat is spread > wetly over the scrapers. > In the earth > ballistic bulbs burgeon. > The spade bank > is full of spades. > Piers are pincers. > They are paroles. > They are > sunk to their barrels, > filled with seagull-squashed > linen sleep and aquatic > projections into > the cobalt blotting sun. > > Philip Nikolayev, 1999 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:10:33 -0500 > From: Maria Damon > Subject: Re: ABOUT THE WATERFRONT > > "vegetal forceps" coolio! > > At 10:55 AM -0400 8/4/03, Fulcrum Annual wrote: > > ABOUT THE WATERFRONT > > > > Dozing off into fried dreams, > > dusks frittered > > to bonne nuit, Skeltonic > > rhododendrons within > > and without the > > telemorphokinesis, > > Boston's vegetal forceps in bloom, > > quagmires > > of dactyloscopic rooks > > on wires of air, > > the tough tinsel nut > > modernity > > hung thriving > > on the thread of > > a generation. How much more > > scintillantly splenetic > > could the ragamuffins > > of electronics become? Where > > to cast or not to cast > > downtown ellipses of joyhood > > to trucks of passersby > > behind the public gardens > > in lanes of largesse > > and others of fireproof > > spring, strongbox > > efflorescence, > > securities jacked up, > > life going hand in hand > > with economics? > > The sky coat is spread > > wetly over the scrapers. > > In the earth > > ballistic bulbs burgeon. > > The spade bank > > is full of spades. > > Piers are pincers. > > They are paroles. > > They are > > sunk to their barrels, > > filled with seagull-squashed > > linen sleep and aquatic > > projections into > > the cobalt blotting sun. > > > >Philip Nikolayev, 1999 > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 09:44:10 -0700 > From: kari edwards > Subject: Re: Reading at 21 Grand, Oakland > > Cynthia, > > are you the individual I talked to about reading at Grand street? > > kari edwards > On Sunday, August 3, 2003, at 09:25 PM, cynthia sailers wrote: > > > Come see the New Brutalism=97 > > Featuring > > > > Nick Piombino and Patrick Durgin > > > > Sunday, August 10th > > 7-9 PM > > at 21 Grand > > 449 B 23rd St. Oakland > > $4 cover > > > > > > Nick Piombino=92s books include Poems (Sun and Moon), > > The Boundary of Blur: Essays (Roof), Light Street > > (Zasterle), Theoretical Objects (Green Integer) and > > The Boundary of Theory (Cuneiform). Recent poems in > > Avec #8 and #10, Ribot #5 and #6, Situation #10, > > Zoom-Zoom #5, TORQUE #4, POTEPOETZINE 1, Rhizome #2 > > and #4, Crayon #1, Boundary 2, An Avec Sampler and > > Kenning #10. Recent critical writing in M/E/A/N/I/N/G > > #17, #18, Le Discours Psychanalytique #12, fragmente > > #6, Transkatalog 2/3, Chain 3 and 9, Gendai > > Shisou-revue de la pensee d'aujourdhui1996, vol. > > 24-10, POTEPOETEXTFOUR and Kiosk #1 .Recent collages > > in Chain #6 and Poetry Plastique. His work has been > > anthologized in The L=3DA=3DN=3DG=3DU=3DA=3DG=3DE Book, In The > > American Tree, The Politics of Poetic Form, =46rom The > > Other Side of the Century, The Gertrude Stein Awards > > in Innovative American Poetry 1993-1994, and > > 1994-1995, Close Listening, Manifesto: A Century of > > Isms and Poetry Plastique. His home page on the web, > > including a recent recording of 22 of his poems read > > live on WKCR, is on the SUNY=92Buffalo Electronic Poetry > > Center at writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/piombino > > His weblog =96fait accompli- is at > > http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ > > > > Patrick Durgin is the author of Pundits Scribes Pupils > > (Potes & Poets, 1998), And so on (Texture Press, > > 1999), Sorter (Duration Press, 2001), and Color Music > > (Cuneiform Press, 2003). His poetry and other > > writings have appeared in various magazines over the > > years, including Aufgabe, Chain, Crayon, Electronic > > Poetry Review, Jacket, nthposition, The Poetry > > Project Newsletter, Rain Taxi Review of Books, > > Rattapallax, and Tripwire. He > > edits and publishes the small press journal Kenning > > and is contributing editor of the Electronic Poetry > > Center. His last bay area reading was three and a > > half years ago at Canessa Park, on his 30th birthday, > > nine days following the Y2K promotional scheme ended. > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! 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You give no > instructions! > > Harriet Zinnes > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:51:13 -0700 > From: Derek R > Subject: ~ Conclusions ~ > > 1. > 2. > 3. > 4. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:14:01 -0400 > From: Gary Sullivan > Subject: Ernst Herbeck > > Hello Everyone, > > I'm doing translations of poetry by the German "naive" poet, Ernst Herbeck > on Elsewhere: > > http://garysullivan.blogspot.com > > Anyone who knows anything about Herbeck, please backchannel. What I've > learned so far is fascinating, but I would love other leads. > > Thanks! > > Gary > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:11:04 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. > > I am carrying water for Alistair Johnston's Poltroon Press here. (Alistair > not being on this list). But here's the description of book he has done > that will be great news to people both in the poetry and the printing world > (you might say, Fine Press with the "Fine" upside down), and the cast of > participating characters is variously legendary. Go to Poltroon Press' > website (www.poltroon.com) for both some images (e.g., a photo Raworth & > Dorn looking like peas in a pod), pricing and ordering info. This is a > period piece (seventies) right out there on an edge. With beaucoup humor, > where "beaucoup" does mean "beautiful cut." The rest here is Alistair > speaking de livre: > > Zephyrus Image is an undeservedly obscure small press from the San Francisco > Bay area of the 1970s. But, by their own choosing, they used alternative > methods of distribution from those available to small presses (bookstores, > libraries, collectors) and instead gave their works away in a mysterious yet > timely manner. Much of their work was political ephemera aimed at the powers > that were: The Nixon Whitehouse, Governor Ronald Reagan, while supporting > the Haight-Ashbury Diggers, Timothy Leary and the Black Panther Party. Their > literary works were often self-consciously well-made pamphlets by Robert > Creeley, Robert Bly, Fielding Dawson and Lucia Berlin, among others. They > also collaborate with Funk artist William T. Wiley and film-maker Stan > Brakhage. Their closest allies were Ed Dorn and Tom Raworth who brought > ideas, energy and connections to the scene. Some exceedinly fugitive pieces > by these avant-garde poets were cranked out in small editions, quite often > on a spontaeous lark. The energy and effort that went into such fanciful > pieces were contrary to the whimsy with which they were conceived and > delivered. In addition to their newspaper, BEAN NEWS, they produced > broadsides, pamphlets and toys with these two remarkable poets. As editor > and publisher Bob Callahan said of the Zephyrus Image enterprise: "No one > before or since took a printing press like they did and threw it into a hole > and created lightning." Alastair Johnston's bibliography tells the story of > this operation and documents it with historic photos and reproductions of > over 100 items that they printed. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:28:33 -0500 > From: Haas Bianchi > Subject: Weapons of Exclusion > > Weapons of Exclusion > > being fashionable success provides individualism within a dress code. I look > distinctive; in a Mao suit Italian fabric of course is used. I am what > everyone desires; > The Pachamama and Viracocha went to war and tore each other’s bodies > bleeding ice water. Upscale goods make you a part of the cognoscenti, > symbolic and cultural value like ear plugs and lip rings separates me from > the proles. Tears burn open a hole in the Earth— humanity, like a frozen > bag of plasma is ready for the butcher’s table. > > the main feature of post-modernity each of us plays multiple roles and has > various styles of understanding. The assertion of identity is a matter of > constant urgency the manufacture of 'personality' decides for us how we are > perceived. Art provides a short cut by which we enter another identity and > join a subculture that insulates us from contamination by other people. > > All art is clever marketing and consumer exploitation. > > Socially Pasteurized > > a platform for enunciating messages which invite the aesthetic challenge > the opaqueness of the artist’s intentions rob the performance of much of > its subversive thrust. The Meaning of Art. The emphasis that city life > gives to appearances concentrates attention on the artistic. This makes art > and design a disciplinary power it coerces the body to shape and rearrange > itself in accordance with ever-shifting social expectations. > > The ability to diet, apply facial cosmetics, arrange clothes, and wear > ornamentation, are in the service of aesthetic innovations that continually > reinvent subjectivity. The docile body shows how elements of and artistic > lifestyle are fused with the urban habits of reading fashion magazines, > engaging in body-sculpting, gym work-outs, cosmetic surgery and periodic > internments at health and fat farms – > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea which is > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a > Lutheran. > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian. > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You pollute > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a play > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists tried > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts art on > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the idea > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as his > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal > master Ialdeboth. > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead and > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In one, > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. Some > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went completely > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud and > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as crazy > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > -- Kirby Olson > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:11:47 -0400 > From: Geoffrey Gatza > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > This is cute; irrelevant to modern understandings of valuation, but cute > nonetheless. > > Best, Geoffrey > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > God's. > > > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > which is > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as > a > > Lutheran. > > > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > Christian. > > > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven > and > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, > and > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > pollute > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying > he > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > play > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > tried > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > art on > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing > the idea > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism > as his > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering > to > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our > carnal > > master Ialdeboth. > > > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go > ahead and > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. > In one, > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > Some > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > completely > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like > Rigaud and > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > crazy > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:19:09 -0400 > From: Daniel Zimmerman > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > moolah hula > > specie? specious. > > species: individuus. > > what the mint meant: > > IOUs no news. > > full faith & credit? > > you wouldn't want to wed it. > > DZ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Olson" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > God's. > > > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > which is > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as > a > > Lutheran. > > > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > Christian. > > > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven > and > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, > and > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > pollute > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying > he > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > play > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > tried > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > art on > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing > the idea > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism > as his > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering > to > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our > carnal > > master Ialdeboth. > > > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go > ahead and > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. > In one, > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > Some > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > completely > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like > Rigaud and > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > crazy > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:23:18 -0400 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > Geoffrey, could you explain what was cute at greater length? Matt's message on > Arabic vs. Roman money, Christ's message, Klossowski's message, Luther's > ideas?? -- Kirby > > Geoffrey Gatza wrote: > > > This is cute; irrelevant to modern understandings of valuation, but cute > > nonetheless. > > > > Best, Geoffrey > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kirby Olson" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:56 PM > > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > > > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > > God's. > > > > > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > > which is > > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as > > a > > > Lutheran. > > > > > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > > > > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > > Christian. > > > > > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven > > and > > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, > > and > > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > > pollute > > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying > > he > > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > > play > > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > > tried > > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > > art on > > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing > > the idea > > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism > > as his > > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering > > to > > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our > > carnal > > > master Ialdeboth. > > > > > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go > > ahead and > > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > > > > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. > > In one, > > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > > Some > > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > > completely > > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like > > Rigaud and > > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > > crazy > > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 19:29:00 -0700 > From: Dale Smith > Subject: NEW BOOK BY THOMAS MEYER > > Skanky Possum is pleased to announce > the publication of > COROMANDEL > by Thomas Meyer. > 64 pp. > Staple-bound. > $5 plus $1.50 p/h > Order direct now or through SPD later this month > www.skankypossum.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 3 Aug 2003 to 4 Aug 2003 (#2003-216) > ************************************************************ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 13:58:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Lawyer poets Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Charles Reznikoff-- worked with the law profession-- (Johnny Cochran comes to mind as a a twist so to speak on law/poetry--"If the glove don't fit/You must acquit" and others--) >From: David Baratier >Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Lawyer poets >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:24:40 -0400 > >We were asked for reprinting rights >for one of authors who is a lawyer, >Simon Perchik, for an anthology >of poets who are (or were, when living) lawyers. > >They asked me for advice about others >Wallace Stevens and Archibald MacLeish >come to mind immediately. Can anyone >think of any others? > >This is a good chance to slip in some experimental >writing with a very traditional publisher & anthology >& I would hate to see the exposure pass. > >Backchannels appreciated. > >Be well > >David Baratier, Editor > >Pavement Saw Press >PO Box 6291 >Columbus OH 43206 >USA > >http://pavementsaw.org _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:18:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Lawyer poets MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Google search revealed: http://www.wvu.edu/~lawfac/jelkins/lp-2001/intro/contemp_pt2.html DZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chirot" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: Lawyer poets > Charles Reznikoff-- > worked with the law profession-- > > (Johnny Cochran comes to mind as a a twist so to speak on law/poetry--"If > the glove don't fit/You must acquit" and others--) > > > > > >From: David Baratier > >Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Lawyer poets > >Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:24:40 -0400 > > > >We were asked for reprinting rights > >for one of authors who is a lawyer, > >Simon Perchik, for an anthology > >of poets who are (or were, when living) lawyers. > > > >They asked me for advice about others > >Wallace Stevens and Archibald MacLeish > >come to mind immediately. Can anyone > >think of any others? > > > >This is a good chance to slip in some experimental > >writing with a very traditional publisher & anthology > >& I would hate to see the exposure pass. > > > >Backchannels appreciated. > > > >Be well > > > >David Baratier, Editor > > > >Pavement Saw Press > >PO Box 6291 > >Columbus OH 43206 > >USA > > > >http://pavementsaw.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 12:27:44 -0700 Reply-To: antrobin@clipper.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anthony Robinson Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <004e01c35b86$5f234c80$6d94c044@MULDER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii James Sanders, whose poem "Poem with Erik Estrada Autograph" appears in the most recent issue of my fabulous journal, __The Canary__, is a lawyer. I think. Anthony Robinson __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 19:35:45 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Ellis Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed << I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and materialism. >> The Quran limits interest percentage on borrowing, so evidently Islamists do mix theology and materialism. This play out interestingly on the ground; Christian arabs have no such limitations, so they run the banking end of society; Islamic banks only attract those whose loyalties don't search out the best financial deals. Ie., I know that in Jordan, for example, there has always been considerable vying for power between the (Isalmic) King, and the (Christian) head of the Arab Bank, the largest banking establishment in the Middle East. The head of the bank essentially controls the economy, and the king, the gov't's over-all policy; they're often at loggerheads. From: Kirby Olson Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is God's. This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea which is later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a Lutheran. I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish Christian. A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You pollute both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a play up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists tried to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts art on paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the idea of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as his justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal master Ialdeboth. Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead and look for God, but tie your camel up first. There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In one, you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. Some modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went completely mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud and Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as crazy as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. -- Kirby Olson _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:38:54 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: list #3 - Missing Jacket magazine above/ground press - successfully ignoring the umlaut Another list of rare & out-of-print. After my cycling accident, now that my wrists are almost back to normal, I thought I could play football (I was wrong), & wrenched my shoulder. Now my right arm doesn't work (writers really need to get worker's comp, or something). Prices in effect until the end of August 2003, or until I run out of stock, whichever comes first. Missing Jacket, an Ottawa writing & visual arts magazine. Five issues in total. I stopped doing them when I ran out of money. A good little mag, if I do say so meself. All issues, $7 each. 11. Missing Jacket magazine, writing & visual art, #1. January 1996. edited by rob mclennan. poetry by Robin Hannah, David O'Meara, Lorraine Gamble. fiction by Catherine Jenkins. interviews with David W. McFadden (by David Collins), Daniel Nadezhdin (by Tamara Fairchild) & Dennis Tourbin (by michael dennis). artistic statements by Eliza Griffiths, Jonathan Brownz & Angela McFall. Notes from the Bleeding Edge by James Spyker. Ottawa Boy cartoon by Greg Kerr. ISSN# 1203-5076. 8 1/2" x 11". 38 pages. 12.Missing Jacket #2, spring 1996. poetry by Tamara Fairchild, David Collins, John Barton & Sean Johnston. fiction by David Scrimshaw & Dayv James-French. interviews with Ken Norris (part I, by rob mclennan), Mary Borsky (by rob mclennan) & Marie-Jeanne Musiol (by Cindy Stelmackowich). artistic statements by Valerie Roos-Linse, Adrian Gollner & Anna Kempffer-Paul. Notes from the Bleeding Edge by James Spyker & Ottawa Boy cartoon by Greg Kerr. blah blah editorial blah blah blah by rob mclennan. 40 pages. 13. Missing Jacket #3, summer 1996. poetry by Stephanie Bolster, Joe Blades, Nadine McInnis & Jim Larwill. fiction by Douglas Ord. interviews with Ken Norris (part II, by rob mclennan), Joe Blades (by rob mclennan) & Diane Woodward (by David Collins). artistic statements by Maria Shin, Barbara Gamble & David Cation. Notes from the Bleeding Edge by James Spyker & Ottawa Boy cartoon by Greg Kerr. blah blah editorial blah blah blah by rob mclennan. ISSN#1203-5076. cover price, $3.50. 44 pages. 14. Missing Jacket #4, fall 1996. poetry by Clare Latremouille, Una McDonnell, Michael Holmes (from 21 Hotels) & Karen Massey. fiction by Douglas Ord & Stan Rogal. interviews with Eliza Griffiths (by David Collins), Judith Fitzgerald (by rob mclennan) & Greg Kerr (by rob mclennan). artistic statements by Eric Walker, Marcia Lea & Doug Van Rosen. project pages by Mark Marsters. Notes from the Bleeding Edge by James Spyker & Ottawa Boy cartoon by Greg Kerr. blah blah editorial blah blah blah by rob mclennan. layout by Colin Christie. 42 pages (including inside cover). 15. Missing Jacket #5, spring 1997. poetry by R.M. Vaughan, Michelle Desberats Fels, Ian Whistle & Rob Manery. fiction by Death Waits & Elizabeth Hay. interviews with Christian Bok (by Tricia Postle), John Moffat (by David Collins) & Patrick Kavanagh (by David Scrimshaw). artistic statements by Lesya Granger, Christopher Lea Dunning & Bhat Boy (the artist formerly known as Ian Van Lock). project pages by Adrian Gollner. Notes from the Bleeding Edge by James Spyker & Ottawa Boy cartoon by Greg Kerr. blah blah editorial blah blah blah by rob mclennan. layout by Colin Christie. 48 pages (includes whole cover). Make cheques payable to rob mclennan, 858 Somerset St W, Main Floor, Ottawa Ontario Canada, K1R 6R7. In Canada, these are Canadian prices. Anywhere else, they become American prices. for further backlist items not outrageously expensive, check out www.track0.com/rob_mclennan -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:15:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <20030805192744.48886.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" martin espada -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:07:26 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: karl siegler interview at cancon for those interested: theres a short interview on this month's cancon with Canadian literary publisher Karl Siegler of Talonbooks. Talon has been going since the early 60, & Karl has been there since the very early 70s. As the interviewer says, the interview is "filled to bursting with experience and insight into the book industry." http://www.canadiancontent.ca -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:07:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Department Store Mammals Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed silent squats dried matter... GIANT, what with his foggy slave daydream I swim & read myself, the giant is too forward now, objects tumble piecemeal from his mouth... how many other years fall from this prisoner's ears? _________________________________________ cigar bars like slick cheese 'gainst my leprosied cheek, fragrant to excuse Noah, & such to weigh the North _________________________________________ Reading Whitman in an aeroplane pack't with explosives & Emerson, they say, makes best sense at 20,000 feet _________________________________________ CINQUAIN THE DON JUAN DIALETHEIA If I am like a Don Juan, Who could Don Juan be? He is not like me - He has not one quality, Save where we meet as Don Juan. _________________________________________ move pieces fast-pass hands atop this world-word I'm theirs, well, I flee, really, so they'll wind my joy words' skins _________________________________________ women with leg dust, baby as "am the life" into the night _________________________________________ halfway silk difficulties shuts the go laughter _________________________________________ a surrounded Abysses bullet issues/inspires a now-sex gaze _________________________________________ Julia shied a snowball at me, & who'd've supposed it? - fire called that snow home, Julia, my you, try anew to verge on snuffing that flame, tho not with snow, nor ice employ, echoes're nothing but a species of failure _________________________________________ ramshackle, ramshackle, chomp! chomp! chomp! _________________________________________ abovestairs eloquence's fright was roomy deep dry, relating lips to freshened bare oath-gate _________________________________________ merciless thaws beyond common mattress horses the foppery of pursued waters scarcely of the least scrape _________________________________________ heavy elder flower, the swelling stays _________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:08:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kerri Sonnenberg Subject: Chicago Reading/Discrete Series Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable ______THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents Mark Booth :: Fire & Ice [Mark Booth is an audio artist, visual artist, and writer. Booth's work ha= s been exhibited at Body Builder and Sportsman Gallery, Chicago Cultural Center, Hyde Park Art Center, and University of Wisconsin. His audio art has been presented by the Outer Ear Festival of Sound, In the Eye of the Ear, and the Immeasurable Distance Series. Text projects have appeared in Antennae, Performance Research, and in the upcoming issue of Jubilat.] [Fire & Ice is Jeffrey Weeter and Paul Deuth, electronic musicians and vide= o artists whose previous collaborations include =B3Fire & Ice=B2 and (with Jenny Schrider and James Bell) the Powerpoint productions =B3Introduction to Change Management=B2 and =B3Forecasting the Storm.=B2 Previous performances of their work have occurred at the Smell in Los Angeles, HellLab, New York and in Chicago at the Museum of Contemporary Art, Buddy Gallery and the Nervous Center. Excerpts from =B3Fire & Ice=B2 appear on the Select Multimedia DVD.] Friday, August 8 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series presents an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:52:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrea Baker Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <004e01c35b86$5f234c80$6d94c044@MULDER> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Christopher Cessac who won last year's Kenyon Review Prize (Zoo Press) is a lawyer. Andrea > From: Daniel Zimmerman > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:18:36 -0400 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Lawyer poets > > Google search revealed: > > http://www.wvu.edu/~lawfac/jelkins/lp-2001/intro/contemp_pt2.html > > DZ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Chirot" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: Lawyer poets > > >> Charles Reznikoff-- >> worked with the law profession-- >> >> (Johnny Cochran comes to mind as a a twist so to speak on law/poetry--"If >> the glove don't fit/You must acquit" and others--) >> >> >> >> >>> From: David Baratier >>> Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: Lawyer poets >>> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 03:24:40 -0400 >>> >>> We were asked for reprinting rights >>> for one of authors who is a lawyer, >>> Simon Perchik, for an anthology >>> of poets who are (or were, when living) lawyers. >>> >>> They asked me for advice about others >>> Wallace Stevens and Archibald MacLeish >>> come to mind immediately. Can anyone >>> think of any others? >>> >>> This is a good chance to slip in some experimental >>> writing with a very traditional publisher & anthology >>> & I would hate to see the exposure pass. >>> >>> Backchannels appreciated. >>> >>> Be well >>> >>> David Baratier, Editor >>> >>> Pavement Saw Press >>> PO Box 6291 >>> Columbus OH 43206 >>> USA >>> >>> http://pavementsaw.org >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail >> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:46:06 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Fogarty Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 15:15 5/08/2003 -0500, you wrote: >martin espada >-- Tom Weston (Christchurch, NZ) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:57:22 -0400 Reply-To: baratier@megsinet.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Christopher Arigo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Christopher Arigo Lit Interim Winner of the Pavement Saw Transcontinental Award as chosen by David Bromige ISBN 1-886350-71-x I chose this submission because of all the brilliant competition it was the one I most wanted others to read. Christopher Arigo, I think, most convincingly questions aside. It is no new thought that poetry is here to govern thought (I am thinking of machinery), to moderate its mechanistic excesses; in short, as an evolutionary necessity, to prevent us from thinking ourselves to death. In this light, poetry's alliance with humor becomes more visible, for we laugh at mistakes while rationality maintains its insistence, inflexible as a government propagandist, that we make none---none, leastwise, that our, naturally, unacknowledged, cupidity , won't excuse. From the outset I felt myself in the presence of a master, one who counted syllables without self-consciousness, who trusted in his bond with language, in its manifest physicality, to show him the way. His use, and disobedience, of the 8-syllable line, that warrant of stability, has us speak volumes, breath quickening or slowing, either way keeping us alive to the hospital setting. For words are merely that, words without the in-form-ative sensibility directing them. Sensibility? Imperative! For it becomes a matter of life or death, as Arigo emergency ward setting from the outset reminds us-- an alert echoing throughout the book. I admire this book for many of its attributes: its sense of form, its sense of humor (though the reader will find no belly laughs), the exacting location of its poetic I (masterful while unobtrusive), and for its unremitting mindfulness that a culture in crisis allows it to live, that a condition as far from chaos as facism is from maypole dancing, affords its poet his one opportunity-- notwithstanding the stifling opportunism of the day. Our culture is held here, this poetry blooms like a beautiful mold that is fed it but could not be predicted by it. As Arigo writes at the end of "Nocturnal Studies"," Sleep ruptures here and the very darkness/ you fear may redeem you." This is how I feel about this book, this Lit(erary) Interim. Congratulations to its maker! --David Bromige A dense new apocalypse of vivid, relentless images, Christopher Arigo's debut volume is yet rich and somehow hopeful. Inventing enthnographies, drawing on Da Vinci's flying machines, and generally re-mixing history, these poems draw from diverse sources to depict a world in dissolution, but gorgeously so. -- Cole Swensen Christopher Arigo is an investigative poet, and his method is an unprecedented visionary forensics. Every one of these poems comprises a scene of shocking dispossession which, by virtue of Arigo's method, becomes serene, sometimes even sublime. We find ourselves in a very new place indeed-- "The interim between having/and trees swept by wind." --Donald Revell ---------------- (3) Via omission Via admission I omit most evil. Jokes with- out punch lines. Bond between earth & boundó the curse of hierophants. Astronomers disdain con- fusion with lesser echelons of prediction & have lost all sense of tragedyó the funniest joke of all is tragedy, sensing all lust, halved predictions of echelons lessened by fusion. Disdain astrologers, hierophants. Cure the bound-to-earth. Between bonds & lines punched out with jokesóevil mostlyó I must admit omission. ---------------- Some of these poems have appeared in various journals, sometimes in slightly different forms: Phoebe, Fourteen Hills: The SFSU Review, Whiskey Island Magazine, Fine Madness, Dine, Pleiades, and Pavement Saw $12 including shipping to US locations Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:57:55 -0400 Reply-To: baratier@megsinet.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Sofia Starnes: A Commerce of Moments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sofia Starnes A Commerce of Moments Paper Trade: ISBN 1-886350-68-X Editor’s Choice for the Transcontinental Poetry Award for an outstanding first book-length collection of poetry or prose. Couplet by couplet, Sofia Starnes leads her readers on a poetic quest for understanding. Her perfect pitch and her acute sensitivity to the pace and nuances of language are reason enough for us to follow. A Commerce of Moments is a gathering of very special poems. -- Billy Collins A Commerce of Moments marks a solid debut for a poet whose craft and elegance are obvious from the first poem. This work of awe-inspiring clarity and purity of language is from a poet whose wide-awake eyes allow us to experience a vivid, lasting world. Blessed is a poet so connected to what is most essential to this life, and perhaps the next too. This book will enchant; a fine collection indeed. --Virgil Suarez Starnes possesses a fine tuned ear. This collection is so good reading one of these poems aloud relaxes your mouth. -- David Baratier ---------- Shadows of Innocence Purewhite, paperwhites, odor of petals on the wicker-stand on which we lean. Deathwhite, dogwood white, hybrid shadows behind the screened porch... We have been cautioned not to invade the white square off the house, where the dead live. Why did you bring the bulbs indoors this year? Fresh spring- whites are for old slabs with their prone angels. Remember the dotted hearts in our earliest missals, their venial lesson, scent of onion skin. We learned from them never to flirt with a fragrance, for the sake of our faithfulness. Blameless lily-white, how it escapes us, as white always does, with the merest gesture: a finger smudge on the slick envelope, thin trickle on the swab where a nail ripped, velvet eye-shade against the tissue, powdery death. Remember the white cassock our priest wore in summer heat, like a returning santo? It dropped its length on stubby feet, into our muddy garden. ------- Flores de Mayo Venid y vamos todos con flores a María, con flores a porfía, que madre nuestra es. (from a processional hymn) May in absentia, magenta in our grip; we cannot give a scent-by-scent account, born-again children of that long-gone, long-withered month. Pink cellophane hour of caladium leaves, straw-gold everlastings, our thin exuding birds of paradise: disquiet of an orange nib, the wilt and non- wilt of its pair, dependent on the day of month, how sticky or how stupefied our hands. All in that first forelived desire to be in love — Children will always fret in starch, and we, no less, ran out of chapel for the patintero chalk lines: this, our tumult, and that yours, border patrols with arms wide. Beneath our bursts, ants crawled out in anger. I stepped on one small mound, was fired upon a thousand times, poppy-red around the ankles. Such is the price of love and of invasion, price of foreplay. Don’t you see? We exercise pursuit again, again, whether in cotton eyelet, threadwork of old thread hemming, or tightest thigh-sewn jeans, clunky shoes or stilettos — we pray-play for acceptance with eyes borrowing an old omniscient spring. In spite of everything we’ve known and tried, how a Beloving lures us; out of our game, still that darling likelihood… Always a summer-rose behind the rose-face of a mother. ----------- With poems from: Calapooya, Defined Providence, Folio, Gulf Coast, Hayden’s Ferry Review, Hubbub, Nightsun, Pleiades, Poet Lore, The Laurel Review, The MacGuffin, The Marlboro Review, Sow’s Ear Poetry Review, Turnings and others. The book is $12 including postage to all US locations ask for other destinations Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:15:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** In-Reply-To: <07983EB4.57DFD48E.01F36A84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit page is down or address is bad ? mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen Conrad > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:37 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** > > > Susan Stewart fans, > below is a link to a rather interesting article you may want to > check out. Don Riggs has written a beautiful article which might > create new fans of those unfamiliar with her work. > > http://www.drexel.edu/doj/poetry/lazydog1_test.asp > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:22:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Nerve Lantern call for volunteers / please forward In-Reply-To: <72B1A146-C480-11D7-89EA-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ellen... have you gotten a response>? isbn- http://www.isbn.org/standards/home/isbn/us/secureapp.asp the other thing... see if elizebeth at SPT will list your site on spt... what else...? kari On Friday, August 1, 2003, at 05:29 PM, kari edwards wrote: > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Ellen Redbird" >> Date: Fri Aug 1, 2003 5:28:12 PM US/Pacific >> To: ellen@pyriformpress.com >> Subject: Nerve Lantern call for volunteers / please forward >> >> Please Forward as Appropriate. >> >> Attention dear literary people and Nerve Lantern enthusiasts: >> >> This is a call for volunteers! >> >> To make Nerve Lantern reach a wider audience and serve more members=20= >> of literary and other arts communities, I need help. Did I think I=20 >> was super-human or something? Although I already do receive much=20 >> needed help for which I am grateful, I finally have to admit that, in=20= >> regards to stuff I=92ve been trying to tackle alone, I don=92t have = the=20 >> time, energy, or resources to help Nerve Lantern truly reach its full=20= >> potential for community building or for getting contributors=92 work=20= >> out in the world (work that deserves a larger readership!) There is=20= >> so much on my list for Nerve Lantern, so much learning I need to do,=20= >> so much passion and vision pounding at the exit doors of my little=20 >> brain, and yet, for some crazy reason I have to tax myself elsewhere=20= >> to make money so I can eat. Can you help me? (Yes, I do accept free=20= >> industry-standard prepackaged baked goods, as well as advice.) >> >> I am looking for help in researching and doing the leg work in the=20 >> categories of promotion, distribution, funding, networking, and=20 >> events planning for Nerve Lantern, annual journal of experimental=20 >> performance literature. If you are interested, please read this=20 >> message and email an informal=20 >> introduction/resume/application-type-thing to:=20 >> ellen@pyriformpress.com . Also, feel free to email me any questions=20= >> you might have. >> >> ***I=92m looking for people who: >> >> 1) Believe in what Nerve Lantern is about. If you don=92t know about=20= >> Nerve Lantern, please visit: http://www.pyriformpress.com/nl.html >> >> 2) Are passionate about building literary and other arts community=20 >> around performance. >> >> 3) Have a talent for / interest in experimental, edgy,=20 >> multidimensional, cross-genre text forms. >> >> 4) Are already active in literary communities as one or more of the=20= >> following: writer, scholar, editor, bookmaker, small press publisher,=20= >> performer, (or surprise me!) >> >> 5) Either have experience in any of the kinds of help I=92m looking = for=20 >> (promotion, distribution, funding, networking, events planning) or=20 >> will energetically learn-by-doing. >> >> 6) Like to work collaboratively in a team. >> >> 7) Have good communication skills and can keep up with their=20 >> designated correspondence concerning Nerve Lantern. >> >> 8) Are willing to teach me and other volunteers what they know and=20 >> learn. >> >> 9) Understand that, as much as I=92d like to, I can=92t pay them = money in=20 >> return. Along with a few donations from others (bless them!), I pay=20= >> for Nerve Lantern out of my pocket. Through sales and donations, I=20 >> have yet to earn back most of the money I spend on materials. Though=20= >> not officially a not-for-profit, no profit is made. >> >> ***What volunteering for Nerve Lantern can offer you: >> >> 1) Experience working for a small press publisher. You could put it=20= >> on your resume, make business cards, say =93It=92s quite rewarding,=20= >> really,=94 express excitement, and feel impressive. >> 2) Connections to people and organizations in literary and other arts=20= >> communities. >> 3) A free copy of every issue of Nerve Lantern you help me with. >> 4) Nerve Lantern web site links to your web sites, as appropriate to=20= >> the aims of Nerve Lantern. >> 5) Your name in metaphorical lights. >> 6) My undying gratitude. >> >> Also: If you have experience running a business or nonprofit and=20 >> would like to set Pyriform Press up so that it actually makes enough=20= >> money to pay for materials and employment, including your=20 >> position...hallelujah! I can dream, can=92t I? >> >> ***Details about what activities your volunteer work could possibly=20= >> include (you might notice that these categories overlap quite a bit): >> >> 1) PROMOTION: contact and send out fliers and emails to organizations=20= >> and community networks that might be interested in knowing about=20 >> submissions and ordering copies; contact and place ads in literary=20 >> journals; negotiate link exchange with literary web sites; table at=20= >> literary and performance art events; send Nerve Lantern to lit=20 >> journal reviewers. >> >> 2) DISTRIBUTION: help me understand how to get an ISSN# for a journal=20= >> that has already published three issues (questions include: can the=20= >> number be stickered to back issues? can you help me make sense of the=20= >> forms that need to be filled out?); contact libraries, bookstores,=20 >> and other venues/vehicles about including Nerve Lantern on their=20 >> shelves; learn about small press distributors and how to utilize=20 >> them; help me keep tabs on book sales. >> >> 3) FUNDING: contact organizations, community networks, and=20 >> individuals asking for donations; learn how other small press=20 >> publishers raise or earn money; help me with my accounts; write=20 >> grants; organize benefits. >> >> 4) NETWORKING: contact and make friendly, mutually beneficial=20 >> relationships with literary orgs and communities, publishers,=20 >> directors of theaters and other arts venues, writers, editors,=20 >> performers, university programs, etc.; add to mailing lists; propose=20= >> to me, based on your networking, a possibility for collaboration=20 >> between the Nerve Lantern community and some other community;=20 >> research and keep me posted on what=92s going on in areas of interest=20= >> in relation to Nerve Lantern. >> >> 5) EVENTS PLANNING: organize more Nerve Lantern performances;=20 >> coordinate with other literary and performance art events; research=20= >> venues; plan in cooperation with anyone volunteering in the=20 >> categories mentioned above. >> >> Remember, you wouldn=92t have to take on ALL the duties listed above.=20= >> I=92m hoping to organize a team of volunteers to share the work. >> >> Thank you for your time and consideration. I hope you will apply=20 >> (unfortunately your application does not guarantee I will enlist your=20= >> help--but I am open to accepting many forms of generosity, so don=92t=20= >> feel shy). In any event, please forward this message along as=20 >> appropriate. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Best wishes, >> Ellen Redbird >> >> Pyriform Press Editor of Nerve Lantern >> Reply to: ellen@pyriformpress.com >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* =20 >> http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail >> > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:30:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: stammering keeps it course In-Reply-To: <9E67C9AA-C7C5-11D7-B597-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable stammering keeps it course it was sunday, it was saturday, a month of sundays, a day next to=20 tomorrows tomorrow - a word submitted to a collage' - with courage the=20= great and powerful - death in my heart country western revival keeps=20 playing . . . no no . . . keys to my door . . . I was grinding my teeth=20= again, grinding them to lucky numbers for the state run black market=20 lottery, for tomorrow is a horde of tomorrows and I need to take my=20 imitation-leather feeling across the street - each step - a butcher=20 block mushroom cloud, a hammer head shark, a fish dealer at the end of=20= the day, vinegar instead of an emotional riff . . . no no . . . it is=20= an emotion riff of rearranged things folded into an immense tablaru. I=20= wonder where the present went when I crush myself in stop, don=92t go,=20= did you hear louder still, they=92re all like that - answer quickly your=20= life depends on it. the bells begin a reminiscing - there is always=20 bells or bullets when reminiscing. great moods and shinny rain coats -=20= I polish disdain with a beggars smile - burning hot or freezing -=20 always freezing. and nothing, except the conquest for half a shelf=20 life - they all talk, absorbed in bare window barbecues - I prop myself=20= up against an empty space, recede into a mist. how calm - how the nets=20= are spread - one day or the next or six months from now sitting in a=20 armchair, something will happen - somethings in the air - something to=20= adjust the volume to.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 20:06:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit seems not to be in the current issue or in the archives. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tenney Nathanson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 11:15 PM Subject: Re: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** > page is down or address is bad ? > > mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net > mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu > http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn > > POG: > mailto:pog@gopog.org > http://www.gopog.org > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen Conrad > > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:37 AM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** > > > > > > Susan Stewart fans, > > below is a link to a rather interesting article you may want to > > check out. Don Riggs has written a beautiful article which might > > create new fans of those unfamiliar with her work. > > > > http://www.drexel.edu/doj/poetry/lazydog1_test.asp > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:09:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: archaea6.exe dusk closure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII archaea6.exe at http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea6.exe you must click on the image this seems to run on PCs with WinXP i'm not sure what happens with Win98 i tried on Win95 and had to load up so many files it crashed i reloaded Win95 and it ran faster than ever but not the archaea i think it might be where vb6 runs and where it does not the mathematics is complex but not untoward in terms of functions the program should be allowed to play out that's why there are no mouseoverunderclicks to cancel you can resize before but perhaps it would run more awkwardly archaea6.exe is a lovely arbor and a curtain drawing down the curtain d. d. is called dusk / closure or perhaps closure / dusk it is both a time of day and a dedication to romanticist denouement it is important that the archaea series contains no random function it is all true calculation of the machine this is my philosophy in the series which is a philosophy as well ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:20:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: changing faunal landscape in kingston pennsylvania MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII changing faunal landscape in kingston pennsylvania for jg ballard new species sighted: blue herons (3),* green heron (1) influx of muscovy ducks and canadian geese* muskrats in drainage ditches influx of virginia possums (opossums) intensification: rabbits,* skunks moving territory: broad-shouldered hawks (5)* into central town insects: small green back black-striped grasshoppers (1)* spiders: shield spiders (have to check into nomenclature)* (30-40 approx) some small waterbirds unidentified (inland) numerous crown coral fungi* archaic and other bacterial efflorescences around sulphur vents* increase in numbers of bats increase in crow flocks *, photographed -- one might speak of a _general efflorescence_ in relation to increased humidity and perhaps global warming -- the kirby park thicket appears subtropical and often flooded __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:07:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: 08.06.1945 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed a website for the 58th anniversary. http://www.city.hiroshima.jp/index-E.html __________________________________________________ www.antiwar.com (probably the most useful, thorough, and frequently updated of the urls pertaining to US foreign policy -- also one of the most credible of the avowedly anti-war right-wing websites) http://www.truthout.org (stories exclusively from mainstream media -- for this reason, a very interesting website) http://www.commondreams.org/ (this compilation website is subtitled "breaking news and views for the progressive community") http://www.buzzflash.com/ (very earnest and sometimes annoying abstracts but generally the most sedulously updated website I frequent) http://www.legitgov.org/ (sometimes *very* annoying abstracts, but useful site) http://www1.iraqwar.ru/?userlang=en (a Russian website rumored to be maintained by Russian intelligence. During the major combat in Iraq, this webste provided reports based on US-UK military radio communications. Sometimes carries and duplicates journalist pieces from western sources. Also interesting in that it provides reader-feedback sections. This feedback is often very caustic in its criticisms of the US invasion of Iraq and of US policy toward Israel and its occupation of Palestine.) www.indymedia.org (Independent media source, cooperative. Broke the story, eg, with photographs, of how staged the toppling of the Saddam statue after the "liberation") http://www.newamericancentury.org/ (this policy website is run by the Project for the New American Century, a "neo-con" organization with strong political and business and policy ties to the Bush administration. If you want to know what the administration is thinking or where it's going, this is a good place to start.) www.onpower.org (a compendium of articles and bibliographic material about how US foreign market and military interests have been advanced by the advent and creation of national "crises" -- more of a thinktank website than a news source, but topical and germane) http://www.aljazeerah.info/ (an online English version of Al Jazeera, the news source out of Qatar, which has won several prestigious international awards for its journalism [eg, a recent "anti-censorship award" called the "Freedom of Expression Award" given by the London-based Index on Censorship]. Of itself it says, "Your Gateway to Understanding the world system, American Foreign Policy, and the Arab and Muslim Worlds ..." Very interesting source.) http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/index.htm (Associated Press breaking news. Some of these stories are later picked up by newspapers and are then altered by those newspapers. Sometimes it's interesting to note how newspapers alter the stories. For instance, just a few days ago the New York Times removed some statistics from an online story about how many US soldiers have been wounded in Iraq since the US invaded the country) --"That there are men in all countries who get their living by war, and by keeping up the quarrels of nations, is as shocking as it is true; but when those who are concerned in the government of a country, make it their study to sow discord, and cultivate prejudices between nations, it becomes the more unpardonable." -- Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", circa 1792 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 03:32:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mosques, at least those in Turkey, often devote the first floor to retail stores and service outlets. The largest mosque in Ankara, Kocateppe Cami, has a mall in the basement. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Ellis" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:35 PM Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > << I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > materialism. >> > > The Quran limits interest percentage on borrowing, so evidently Islamists do > mix theology and materialism. This play out interestingly on the ground; > Christian arabs have no such limitations, so they run the banking end of > society; Islamic banks only attract those whose loyalties don't search out > the best financial deals. Ie., I know that in Jordan, for example, there > has always been considerable vying for power between the (Isalmic) King, and > the (Christian) head of the Arab Bank, the largest banking establishment in > the Middle East. The head of the bank essentially controls the economy, and > the king, the gov't's over-all policy; they're often at loggerheads. > > > From: Kirby Olson > Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > God's. > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > which is > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as a > Lutheran. > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > Christian. > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven and > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, and > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > pollute > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying he > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > play > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > tried > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > art on > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing the > idea > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism as > his > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering to > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our carnal > master Ialdeboth. > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go ahead > and > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. In > one, > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > Some > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > completely > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like Rigaud > and > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > crazy > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > -- Kirby Olson > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:19:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part One) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part One) Bot tlen eck s in MP I Pr ogr am s Mic hae l G ern dt De fini tion s EX EC T(r ,p) Exe cut ion tim e o f re gio n r at p roc ess or p EX EC T(r ) a*p )p, r( EXECT IOT (...) Exe cut ion tim e o f IO op era tion s SY NC T(.. .) 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Pro of *Re qui red dy nam i'c i nfo rma tion - "p EX august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.505 / Virus Database: 302 - Release Date: 7/30/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 07:13:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: Lawyer poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The great prose poem poet and editor of Shiny, out in Denver, Michael Friedman is a lawyer. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 10:31:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <20030806141311.88881.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I haven't checked it out fully yet (or even semi-fully), but has anyone posted this link yet? http://www.wvu.edu/~lawfac/jelkins/lp-2001/intro/lp1.html Lots of stuff on lawyer poets (or, if you prefer, poet lawyers) there. Hal You are leaving the American Sector. Vous sortez du Secteur Américain. Sie verlassen den Amerikanischen Sektor. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:12:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems In-Reply-To: <003a01c35bec$daa1c470$9452b38b@Moby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Table of Money Values 1 florin [or gulden] = 60 kreuzer 1 ducat = 4 1/2 florins 1 Reichsthaler = 1 1/2 florins 1 friedrich d'or = 7 to 8 florins 1 sequin = 2.8 florins 2 English shillings = 1 florin 1 English pound = 10 florins 1 louis d'or = 9 to 10 florins Rates vary somewhat owing to currency fluctuations. Source: Maynard Solomon, *Mozart: A Life* [New York: HarperCollins, 1995] Hal You are leaving the American Sector. Vous sortez du Secteur Américain. Sie verlassen den Amerikanischen Sektor. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:40:49 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: E-Sonata MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=92s not really my place to advertise since I am just a regular = visitor, but York University=92s North American Center for Interdisciplinary Poetics is a wonderful little poetics hub out there in electronic space (I tire of =91cyber=92 and 'virtual'). I=92d highly recommend it. It = seems a bit sluggish.. perhaps not many people know about it?=20 The URL is: http://www.poetics.yorku.ca (my paltry ad) Now, on the NACIP site, you=92ll find this, erm, interesting take on the Ursonate from Geoffrey Hlibchuk: http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~hlibchuk/esonata1.mp3 I don't really see the point myself, though I did get a kick out of trying to listen for f=FCmms b=F6=F6 w=F6=F6 t=E4=E4 z=E4=E4 uuu etc. It = might have been more interesting to have fed the ursonate through whatever that program was that Paul Lansky used for Small Talk for an unusual take.. -Ben __________________________________________________ " Dirt is matter in its wrong place" - Lord Kelvin Popular Lectures and Addresses (1891) =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 08:42:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jrothenberg Subject: sublet wanted MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jerome and Diane Rothenberg are planning to be in New York from roughly = October 1 to December 1, with some leeway before & after, and are = looking for a Manhattan apartment or equivalent to sublet or to = house-sit during that time. Any offers or leads can be sent to = jrothenberg@cox.net and will be greatly appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:44:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Kimball Subject: poetry as inquiry Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I'm reordering, below, entries from my blog [http://www.pantaloons.blogspot.com] that went up yesterday. Appreciate your ideas either backchannel or on the list. Thanks. ~~ I'm taking notes on the interconnection of empiricism, epistemology and.. and.. and macrotheory with regards to.. to poetry? Any thoughts about the empiricism end?? How would empiricism enter a discussion of a poem, a set of poems, oeuvres?? Interested less in thinking of empiricism at the level of its 'equal footing' with theory, epistemology. Rather, how can empirical data confirm or conflate what we know or hypothesize. And what are empirical data? Text components? Or more, the semantic components and experiences they imply?? I'm wanting to learn about how poetry can be viewed as data _of_ and _for_ inquiry. My colleague and teacher Israel Scheffler says, "Knowing is not a strategy of inquiry any more than curing a strategy of treatment." Theory, a system of generalized knowing or knowledge, may not be the primary entry for this line of questioning. ~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 13:45:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Any NYC Poets Who Run? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, My friend, the poet and publisher Kent Fielding, is visiting from Alaska and he's hoping to find a poet to run with. Please backchannel if u run or know someone who does, and wouldn't mind another joining you. thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:01:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Lawyer poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wallace Stevens was a lawyer. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 7:31 AM Subject: Re: Lawyer poets > I haven't checked it out fully yet (or even > semi-fully), but has anyone posted this > link yet? > > http://www.wvu.edu/~lawfac/jelkins/lp-2001/intro/lp1.html > > Lots of stuff on lawyer poets (or, if you prefer, poet lawyers) there. > > Hal You are leaving the American Sector. > Vous sortez du Secteur Américain. > Sie verlassen den Amerikanischen Sektor. > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:27:22 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Any SF Poets who BIKE or WALK? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey, I just moved to SF (and I miss my local lake in Oakland which I walked around a lot, and also some walking partners I had, like Stephanie Young or, before that, Lisa Sperber) And I tend to ride my bike over to Golden Gate Park (when it's not too windy) and ride around the "polo" track. Would love if somebody's into it... Or if somebody just wants to go for habitual hour long evening walk talks around the mission (i like to walk relatively fast).... (okay, i'll stop before i get into the---preferably single female, etc. etc....).... Chris, Continuous Peasant ---------- >From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Any NYC Poets Who Run? >Date: Wed, Aug 6, 2003, 5:45 PM > > Hi all, > > My friend, the poet and publisher Kent Fielding, is visiting from Alaska and > he's hoping to find a poet to run with. > > Please backchannel if u run or know someone who does, and wouldn't mind > another joining you. > > thanks, > david > > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:33:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <003401c35c44$d0049a80$f8fdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Charles Reznikoff At 11:01 AM 8/6/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Wallace Stevens was a lawyer. > >-Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:15:35 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Scott -- this is a perfect illustration of what Kenneth Burke calls "perspective through incongruity" -- the theological directly on top of the secular. Ezra Pound's fanaticism against usury seems to me to have come from St. Francis and St. Thomas -- who outlawed this. This Italian Catholic idea resulted in only the Jews being able to practice usury, so it's why we have The Merchant of Venice as a Jew, and yet in Arabic countries the laws provide a loophole for Christians. I didn't know this, and find it amusing. -- Kirby Olson Scott Pound wrote: > Mosques, at least those in Turkey, often devote the first floor to retail > stores and service outlets. The largest mosque in Ankara, Kocateppe Cami, > has a mall in the basement. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Ellis" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > > << I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > materialism. >> > > > > The Quran limits interest percentage on borrowing, so evidently Islamists > do > > mix theology and materialism. This play out interestingly on the ground; > > Christian arabs have no such limitations, so they run the banking end of > > society; Islamic banks only attract those whose loyalties don't search out > > the best financial deals. Ie., I know that in Jordan, for example, there > > has always been considerable vying for power between the (Isalmic) King, > and > > the (Christian) head of the Arab Bank, the largest banking establishment > in > > the Middle East. The head of the bank essentially controls the economy, > and > > the king, the gov't's over-all policy; they're often at loggerheads. > > > > > > From: Kirby Olson > > Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 > > > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is > > God's. > > > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea > > which is > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as > a > > Lutheran. > > > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. > > > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish > > Christian. > > > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven > and > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, > and > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You > > pollute > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying > he > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a > > play > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists > > tried > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts > > art on > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing > the > > idea > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism > as > > his > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering > to > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our > carnal > > master Ialdeboth. > > > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go > ahead > > and > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. > > > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. > In > > one, > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. > > Some > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went > > completely > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like > Rigaud > > and > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as > > crazy > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:34:27 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: FW: Lutheran vs. Marxist iconography MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill Marsh, I forwarded this to the list, because it seems right on the money. I should have been more careful about the porno thing. I don't believe there were any porno publishers in 1519 in Wittenberg, Germany, or anywhere else in Europe, but I could be wrong. Durer and Cranach were living in Wittenberg, however, and painting nudes based on Roman and Greek mythological settings for their aristocratic patrons. Luther was friends with these painters, and never said a word about it. He did say that the artists were free to do what they liked, and that this had nothing to do with theology. Luther often made incredible jests about his wife's anatomy (which he adored) while eating in public. Lutheran colleges, which Gloria suggests as model, are not very Lutheran in this regard. That is, Luther said they were free to do what they liked. There is no Lutheran mathematics, or Lutheran science. Nor is there any such thing as Lutheran arts insofar as I am aware. And even if there were, there is no such thing as a Lutheran college, although 42 of them do get some pitiful amount of money from their local synods. However, they are now entirely ecumenical. Valparaiso has at least two atheists in their theology department. The English department at Wagner has two Muslims. Muhlenberg College is at least half Jewish. Susquehanna is almost completely secular in its orientation. Perhaps some of the smaller Missouri Synod colleges such as Concordia do discriminate against non-Lutherans in terms of employment and admissions, but so far as I have been able to determine, Lutheran colleges are almost anything but Lutheran, even if some Lutherans of families that have made it do still tend to go to places like St. Olaf's in Minnesota. I'm somewhat outside of this, though, so I could be wrong. I doubt that art professors are largely church-goers at Lutheran colleges. I should do a survey. Marx is constantly citing Luther through Capital. He probably cites him more than anybody else. But again, this is because he was from a largely Lutheran area of Germany, and may have wanted to convince some through his citations. How close was Marx to Luther in terms of having the sense that art was a question of freedom? I can't find Marx ever arguing that an artist should be censored for their viewpoint. Why Marxists do this has to be a matter of local theological conditions prevailing at the time, but I can't prove this. These issues are puzzling, and if you go deep enough, generally give rise to a comic perspective. Still, I really enjoyed your Lutheran pastor's ideas as they are put forward here. I can't find any Lutheran pastors who know much about this area, so your pastor must be very erudite to have tracked down this much info while not even having it as a speciality. Thanks zillions! I wish I could find a panel of Lutherans somewhere who have addressed the issues of aesthetics, and perhaps especially a Lutheran who can compare and contrast the Lutheran iconographic tradition with the Marxist. What follows is your pastor's response, in case there's some nut out there like me whose eyes haven't glazed over. -- Kirby Olson > > I would give Luther's view on artistic expression a little different > nuance although the best place to search this out would the Art > Departments of our Lutheran colleges and universities which function > within the liberal arts tradition, their chapels, and new Lutheran > worship spaces...in Lutheran communities, there is wide appreciation > and expression of faith through art (some more so than others)...The > difference between Luther and the Lutheran movement are also > distinctions which I would make. Luther and the Lutherans kept things > of the tradition (vestments, stained glass windows, lectionary, > historic mass) which were seen as being helpful to faith (more > proactive than simply a matter of Christian freedom) and not forbidden > in the Bible (the Calvin principle was unless it was in the Bible it > wouldn't be used). The prohibition against graven images did not > cover religious art (this also is seen in the different numbering > systems of the "10" Commandments -- of which there are really 12 -- > with Lutherans following the Catholic tradition of #2 being taking the > Lord's name in vain and skipping graven images). (Side note: to > remember how all this came about, I'd have to go back and read about > the "iconoclastic" controversy in the 700-1000's to remember all the > details but this is where the break in western and eastern Christian > art is rooted. The Roman west decided you could paint images of God > (e.g. God as an old man in the Sistine Chapel) but the east said no. > It is the east (Orthodox tradition) which has icons and sanctuaries > filled with art...no icon has a painted image of God...you have Jesus, > disciples, saints etc...the one icon I know of the Trinity uses the 3 > visitors to Abraham at the springs at Mamre.) I visited two Lutheran > churches this summer which have icons behind the altar table. There > are fewer statues in Lutheran churches because the saints function > differently. This issue was addressed in the Augsburg Confession > where the saints were kept as witnesses to the gospel and lives of > faith and doubt and helpful to us in our faith journey but not to be > prayed to or through. There are dates of commemoration for saints in > the front of the Lutheran Book of Worship but I don't use them much at > all (Voices of Eve liturgies with Mary of Magdala and Mary, Mother of > Jesus and Our Sister in the Spirit). I don't know anything about > Luther and porn but he was an earthy medival man and was quoted by > observers and followers saying many gross and earthy things...that > some would equate that to porn would be understandable. > > Taking another approach, I understand art as celebration of life, as > affirming reality, and as challenging what is found in reality -- i.e. > making people face what they don't want to face. Artistic expression > of the latter hopes that we go back to foundational humane principles, > asking ourselves what went wrong so that we could think about how to > change it (i.e. any of the Holocaust art). This seems somewhat > parallel to me to Lutheran understanding of the Word of God as law and > gospel...the law has several functions including good order, showing > us how to live, and showing us how we have failed to live rightly > (sending us to the gospel). When I finally understood that the > purpose of artistic expressions of life could both affirm and > critique, it felt that art and the Word of God could function in > parallel ways. That may be an amateur's over simplification but > thought I'd add that too. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 12:39:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: @eleven@ Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 11. Jean Cocteau likes grapes. Likes the thought of grapes, their form in his mind somehow congruent with salves, or the slavish poetics he tallies: sacs; blooming along the trellis in leprous overabundance. There are no grapes in Northeast Ohio, at least not last night, when walking the length of Cooper Foster Park Road, Sheffield to Lorain, I saw a deer staring through live mists of an empty field. It was right across the street from where my father's buried. A road there can veer off into these stoned histories, and Jean can't. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 17:15:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Wiffleball, Oakland Style In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Alli Warren has lamented missing the East Coast wiffling action, so howzabout a little Oakland wiffleball action when I'm in the Bay Area? Sun Aug. 31 or Mon. Sept. 1 (these are labor day wknd) look good. Another idea is for before the Boog reading at Mama Buzz, which takes place on Thurs. Sept. 4 at 7 p.m. Who's game? email: editor@boogcity.com as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:28:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tricia Postle Subject: caution dummy text In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please do not read this post. It has no content. > > > >Chris wrote: > > > > >| If beavers are references > > >| how do they build dams? > > Beavers build dams. > > The word "beavers" in a poem is a reference. Beavers > are contained in > the world. The content of a book is, perhaps, paper, > ink, glue. > > > -- > George Bowering > Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats > Fax 604-266-9000 ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 18:58:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Mosques, at least those in Turkey, often devote the first floor to retail >stores and service outlets. The largest mosque in Ankara, Kocateppe Cami, >has a mall in the basement. Certainly not indicative of the Muslim world I have experienced. Never saw such a mosque with a shop in my four years in the UAE and my year in Saudi Arabia. And these countries have quite a few. Matt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 01:19:52 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Slurp Comments: To: PoetryEspresso@topica.com, Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Slurp But, I complained, it is too small to say and wide. God took a pinch of snuff, Feeble excuse, He pronounced. I sniffed too, in a victimised style. I wanted to ask: what's wrong with self-pity? I have pity for others too, but He had levitated away already, safe in the clouds, and I was left with: enfin the teeth fall out, enfin the prophet never appears, enfin the bus breaks down, enfin I am a prat, enfin there is little unmarked on the maps bar a lane not far from Market Harborough where delectable wild mushrooms grow which has no relevance to anything, enfin simile is like a blind eye opening, notice the singular, enfin memory is a black hole, guzzling at what is, enfin we are what escapes us, leaking into the undefined, the burden of void, carry that round with me I do. The ultimate hole. The home of lost cries, of slurp. Enfin. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Home Page A Chide's Alphabet Painting Without Numbers http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:32:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Stephen, Thanks for passing this on to the list, as I share in your appreciation = of the history of this lively small press. Teter and Myers had little = interest in galleries or special collections, and most of their work (I = gather) was distributed on the streets or sent off to friends, etc. so = their materials are scattered, if not verging on extinction (the cover = image with the "Help you local junkie" broadside tattered against a = telephone pole seems to say it all).=20 The collection here in Buffalo, for example, owns only about a dozen = titles. This makes the bibliography all the more important, as are its = illuminating swatches on Dorn or Raworth. I would also mention that = this is the third bibliography Johnston has authored on the intersection = of the book arts/poetry press scene following WWII, beginning with the = Auerhahn Press and Dave Hazelwood Books, followed by White Rabbit (also = from Poltroon). =20 Also, Johnston has contributed to the Cento feature on Dorn at: = http://www.centomag.org/ Cheers, Kyle =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Vincent=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 4:11 PM Subject: Zephyrus Image bibliography, etc. I am carrying water for Alistair Johnston's Poltroon Press here. = (Alistair not being on this list). But here's the description of book he has done that will be great news to people both in the poetry and the printing = world (you might say, Fine Press with the "Fine" upside down), and the cast of participating characters is variously legendary. Go to Poltroon Press' website (www.poltroon.com) for both some images (e.g., a photo Raworth & Dorn looking like peas in a pod), pricing and ordering info. This is a period piece (seventies) right out there on an edge. With beaucoup = humor, where "beaucoup" does mean "beautiful cut." The rest here is Alistair speaking de livre: Zephyrus Image is an undeservedly obscure small press from the San = Francisco Bay area of the 1970s. But, by their own choosing, they used alternative methods of distribution from those available to small presses = (bookstores, libraries, collectors) and instead gave their works away in a mysterious = yet timely manner. Much of their work was political ephemera aimed at the = powers that were: The Nixon Whitehouse, Governor Ronald Reagan, while = supporting the Haight-Ashbury Diggers, Timothy Leary and the Black Panther Party. = Their literary works were often self-consciously well-made pamphlets by Robert Creeley, Robert Bly, Fielding Dawson and Lucia Berlin, among others. = They also collaborate with Funk artist William T. Wiley and film-maker Stan Brakhage. Their closest allies were Ed Dorn and Tom Raworth who brought ideas, energy and connections to the scene. Some exceedinly fugitive = pieces by these avant-garde poets were cranked out in small editions, quite = often on a spontaeous lark. The energy and effort that went into such fanciful pieces were contrary to the whimsy with which they were conceived and delivered. In addition to their newspaper, BEAN NEWS, they produced broadsides, pamphlets and toys with these two remarkable poets. As = editor and publisher Bob Callahan said of the Zephyrus Image enterprise: "No = one before or since took a printing press like they did and threw it into a = hole and created lightning." Alastair Johnston's bibliography tells the story = of this operation and documents it with historic photos and reproductions = of over 100 items that they printed. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: AYA KARPINSKA and TIM PETERSON at the FLYING SAUCER (Brooklyn) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The FLYING SAUCER CAFE reading/media series is starting again! TUESDAY, AUGUST 12, 7:00, At the FLYING SAUCER CAFE in BROOKLYN - AYA KARPINSKA and TIM PETERSON (See below for details) *** AYA KARPINSKA Aya Karpinska's research and creative work focus on the impact of technology on artistic practice, in particular computer-mediated music and literature. Her diverse output includes computer music, fiction, poetry, web and graphic design, and game design. She recently performed at Tonic in New York City with her electronic music instrument, container for sound. Ms. Karpinska received her Master's degree from the Interactive Telecommunications Program at New York University. http://www.technekai.com/aya/ notes for container for sound A box containing sounds waiting to be released. The performer unleashes the composition by opening doors, flapping them like wings to manipulate sound samples. This electronic instrument was built to explore new interfaces for musical expression. Although it was designed to be simple to play, the performer's physical gestures translate into a wide musical palette. More information on the development of this instrument can be found at: http://www.technekai.com/aya/nime/ TIM PETERSON Tim Peterson currently lives in Somerville, Massachusetts. He attended Wesleyan University where he majored in art history and then went on to get his MFA at The University of Arizona. He currently works at M.I.T. Press. This is Tim's first poetry reading in New York, and to mark this event Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs published his debut chapbook titled CUMULUS. The Flying Saucer Cafe series pares up new media artists with poets who instead of giving a reading present a talk relating to their poetry and ideas. Tim's talk is titled "Spontaneous Generation." It focuses on writing a gender by writing a world, and it also deals with issues of private language, the dialogic, and spatial metonymy: issues concerning Peterson's identity and his writing process. He says of this, "the two poles of understanding are on the one hand the urge "to be some body," an ideal self enforced by society, and on the other hand the limiting specificity of the question: whose body? in what situation?" *** THE FLYING SAUCER READING/MEDIA SERIES We will be having readings the first Tuesday of each month (August an exception). Please come and support us! Contact Brenda Iijima or Alan Sondheim for further information. Brenda Iijima Alan Sondheim (sondheim@panix.com) The Flying Saucer is located at 494 Atlantic Ave. between Nevins and 3rd Avenues, in Brooklyn. You can subways to the Pacific or Atlantic stops, including the 2, 3, 4, 5, W, N, R, Q, and anything else that runs there. Telephone at the Flying Saucer Cafe is 718-522-1383. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 00:34:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 2 pieces: archaea7 and arriving MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 2 pieces: archaea7 and arriving archaea7 flannel http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea7.exe locomotive boiler rivet assembly gridwork deconstruction phase nothing lasts forever at archaea7 parasitic color reconstruction there is no hardness to it "for a while" vbcode for archaea6.exe Private Sub Form_Click() : Randomize m = 0.1 z = -2 x = 0 j = z p = 1 two: j = z k = x If t < 16 Then t = t + 1 Else GoTo three x = -(x ^ 1 / 2) + z - 1 p = p + 1 q = 15 * t / 2 Line (-k * Tan(k) / 20, j)-(x, z * 2 * Sin(z)), Point(ScaleWidth - x \ 50, ScaleHeight - x \ 100) b = -k * Cos(k) bb = z * 2 * Cos(z) Msg = (bb & Chr(13) & j & Chr(13) & b & Chr(13) & x) GoTo two three: x = 0 z = z + 0.2 * m t = 1 If x > ScaleWidth Then x = y / 3 If y > ScaleHeight Then y = 1 If p Mod 100000 < 4 Then MsgBox Msg, , "Line Output" If p > 4300000 Then Stop GoTo two End Sub ___ arriving heron and egret here in kingston, a great blue heron has injured its left foot; it appears broken. we went to the fire station. we called wnep-tv which covers wildlife. we called the audubon society in harrisburg, 150 miles away; there is no local audubon society. we called a local emergency animal clinic. we called a nearby animal hospital. we called the pennsylvania game and wildlife commission. we spoke to people and left messages. there is a chance the bird will be rescued. just before, a great white egret, majestic. this bird has also come north. it was skittish, but flew gracefully. images of both, documenting the faunal arrivals. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 23:02:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: caution beavers In-Reply-To: <20030806222823.54121.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George wrote: >| Still waiting for some genius of poetry to >| explain to me how a poem can have content... >> >| The word "beavers" in a poem is a reference In the essay 'On Speaking Verse,' Paul Val=E9ry relates the text of a = poem as analogous to the score of a piece of music: "A poem, like a piece of music, offers merely a text, which, strictly speaking, is only a kind of recipe; the cook who follows it plays an essential part. To speak of a poem in itself, to judge of a poem in itself, has no real or precise meaning. It is to speak of a potentiality. The poem is an abstraction, a piece of writing that stands waiting, a law that lives only in some human mouth, and that mouth is simply a mouth." Is this what you mean George? =20 =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 10:28:26 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I thought that the Quaran *forbade* interest payments. I think this because in the UK, the main banks are now offering mortgages which comply with this belief to UK islamists - see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3035292.stm I can see, though, where zealots might pare a "little" to "nothing". BTW, French law used to forbid "usury" (see http://articles.corporate.findlaw.com/articles/00304/008493.html wherein French law is aligned with EU codiciles). I think that this criminalisation of usury has something to do with anti-Jewish sentiment - see http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=231&letter=S - although I'm not confident about this claim. At 06/08/2003 20:15:35, UB Poetics discussion group wrote: # Scott -- this is a perfect illustration of what Kenneth Burke calls "perspective # through incongruity" -- the theological directly on top of the secular. # # Ezra Pound's fanaticism against usury seems to me to have come from St. Francis # and St. Thomas -- who outlawed this. This Italian Catholic idea resulted in # only the Jews being able to practice usury, so it's why we have The Merchant of # Venice as a Jew, and yet in Arabic countries the laws provide a loophole for # Christians. I didn't know this, and find it amusing. # # -- Kirby Olson # # Scott Pound wrote: # # > Mosques, at least those in Turkey, often devote the first floor to retail # > stores and service outlets. The largest mosque in Ankara, Kocateppe Cami, # > has a mall in the basement. # > # > ----- Original Message ----- # > From: "Stephen Ellis" # > To: # > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 3:35 PM # > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems # > # > > << I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and # > > materialism. >> # > > # > > The Quran limits interest percentage on borrowing, so evidently Islamists # > do # > > mix theology and materialism. This play out interestingly on the ground; # > > Christian arabs have no such limitations, so they run the banking end of # > > society; Islamic banks only attract those whose loyalties don't search out # > > the best financial deals. Ie., I know that in Jordan, for example, there # > > has always been considerable vying for power between the (Isalmic) King, # > and # > > the (Christian) head of the Arab Bank, the largest banking establishment # > in # > > the Middle East. The head of the bank essentially controls the economy, # > and # > > the king, the gov't's over-all policy; they're often at loggerheads. # > > # > > # > > From: Kirby Olson # > > Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu # > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU # > > Subject: Re: History of Monetary Systems # > > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 17:56:09 -0400 # > > # > > As Christ put it, in arguing that yes, Christians should pay their taxes: # > > REnder unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. Render unto God that which is # > > God's. # > > # > > This is in Matthew -- and is the basis of Augustine's two kingdoms idea # > > which is # > > later found in Luther, and then is also in Marx, since Marx was raised as # > a # > > Lutheran. # > > # > > I have no idea if the Islamic people separate the realm of theology and # > > materialism. According to Bernard LEwis, they don't. He says this is the # > > source of their problems. I'd cite it but I lent the book to somebody. # > > # > > Luther also said he'd rather be ruled by a wise Turk than a foolish # > > Christian. # > > # > > A smart Turk could make clever distinctions between the realm of heaven # > and # > > earth. Foolish Christians close the two kingdoms, collapse them rather, # > and # > > pollute both. It's like the modernists asking life to become art. You # > > pollute # > > both in doing that, and create tragedy and suicide -- like Rigaud saying # > he # > > would kill himself in ten years, and then doing it, making his life into a # > > play # > > up until the ending, determined in advance. A lot of marginal surrealists # > > tried # > > to do that -- Artaud, Bataille, etc. Klossowski separates them, and puts # > > art on # > > paper, citing Christ's remark on two kingdoms in doing so, but changing # > the # > > idea # > > of "render" as in to paint, or to write, and uses Carpocratian gnosticism # > as # > > his # > > justification, but argues that we can go further by keeping the rendering # > to # > > images, as the gold standard of the voluptuous sin is returned to our # > carnal # > > master Ialdeboth. # > > # > > Sufis in their laughter may be doing similar two kingdoms' things. Go # > ahead # > > and # > > look for God, but tie your camel up first. # > > # > > There are two systems of currency, is what Christ is saying in Matthew. # > In # > > one, # > > you return the coinage to Caesar in the realm of material reality. In the # > > other, you return your soul, stamped in the likeness of God, to heaven. # > > Some # > > modernists tried to solder the two kingdoms together, but they went # > > completely # > > mad and either ended up like Stalin or Mao, or committed suicide like # > Rigaud # > > and # > > Artaud. Hence, dualism of monetary systems -- carnal and spiritual -- as # > > crazy # > > as it seems -- is actually more sane in the long run. # > > # > > -- Kirby Olson # > > # > > _________________________________________________________________ # > > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* # > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail # > > # > > # Roger ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:25:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Poems by others: James Shea, "Haiku" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haiku Upon Kissing You after You Vomited. Upon Walking You Home and You Pissing in Your Pants. Upon Asking a Complete Stranger about Our Situation. Upon Reading Issa's Prescripts "Issa in a State of Illness" "At Being Bewildered on Waking" and Realizing the Haiku Poets Were Not So Laconic and How Could They Be? Poem Before Dying. Poem Shortly Before I Head to Dinner. Poem in Which I Enter Drops of Dew Like a Man with Tiny Keys. Hitomaro has a poem called On Seeing the Body of a Man Lying among the Stones on the Island of Samine in Sanuki Province. Kanyu's short poem is called A Poem Shown to My Niece Sonsho on Reaching the Barrier of the Ran after Being Relegated to an Inferior Position. Poem Louis Aragon Would Be Proud Of. Poem I'll Never Show You. Poem Written in a Bugs Bunny Cartoon as the Plane's Controls Come Off in My Hands. Poem that Jerks Around Like a Hamster in a Bag. Basho wrote a haiku for his students that he claimed was his death poem. The night before he said that for the last 20 years every poem he had written had been his death poem. Upon No Longer Recalling My Thoughts When I Was a Boy Within My Father's Stare. At Being Exhausted at Having to Explain Why Using Slang Is More Fun than Reading a Dictionary of Slang. The poet Saikaku once wrote 23,500 verses in 24 hours. Basho saw Mt. Nikko and said, "I was filled with such awe that I hesitated to write a poem." Upon Looking Past You into the Mattress, into the Faces of Prior Lovers. Upon Trying to Cultivate My Inner Life While Also Killing My Ego. On Watching a 200 pd. Endangered Orangutan Rape My Wife While She Shouts at Me Not to Shoot Him. On Seeing a Blood-Shot Spanish Boy Who Was Not Even Crying He Was So Sad And Not Even Crying He Was So Sad. Poem in Which I Embody a Moment So Vividly, So Succinctly, Yet Decorate It with Such Sills, Such Elaborations. Upon Doodling Your Name Which Became Your Face Emerging from Day-Old Coals. Upon Reading that Basho Believed "A Haiku Revealing 70 to 80% of Its Subject Is Good, Yet Those Revealing 50 to 60% Will Never Bore Us." On Finally Leaving My Attic and Hearing English for the First Time in 20 Years and It Sounding Like an Animal's Cry Before It Attacks. Poem in Response to Flying all the Way to Rome to Meet You and Being Dumped at the Airport. Peom about the Next Two Weeks We Spent Together. Poem as I Sit on this Curb with My Head in My Hands. Poem After Learning the Japanese Word for the Simultaneous Feeling of Love and Hatred. Poem for the Mountain at the End of My Street. Poem in Response to Some of My Recent Poems that Seem to Have Been Written Inside of an Aquarium. On Spending a Week in Silence at a Monastery and Not Being Allowed Pen or Paper. On Meditating and Feeling Like I Was a Blue Flame. On Getting Up and Scribbling Something in the Bathroom. On Stopping at the Train Tracks and Having a Deer Break His Head Through My Passenger Window, Stare at Me, and Then Run Back into the Wood. --James Shea in *Jubilat* #4, 2002 Hal, wondering if "Sills" up there [sic] should be "Skills" Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:48:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Jullich Subject: Re: Ernst Herbeck MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There's a 1992 CPO CD, ~Lieder,~ that I have, by the composer Wolfgang Rihm (b. 1952) where he set five Herbeck poems to music, for baritone and piano. ------------------------------------------------------- Hello Everyone, I'm doing translations of poetry by the German "naive" poet, Ernst Herbeck on Elsewhere: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com Anyone who knows anything about Herbeck, please backchannel. What I've learned so far is fascinating, but I would love other leads. Thanks! Gary __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:04:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: poetry and the community Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear All, I'd be interested in getting in touch with someone in the Providence / Boston area who has experience teaching poetry in the context of community or communities. Please back-channel. Mairead Mairéad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:20:41 -0700 Reply-To: Denise Enck Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Denise Enck Subject: new book review site - The Electric Review (electricrev.net) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A new book review site, The Electric Review, has just been launched at = http://www.electricrev.net=20 The Electric Review focuses on books, CDs, writers, and musicians often = neglected by the mainstream media. Editor John Aiello (and a couple = guest reviewers) present thoughtful reviews in the categories of poetry, = fiction, non-fiction, photography, reference, & music.=20 Aiello is a freelance journalist (formerly with the SF Chronicle) & = poet. You can contact John Aiello at electricrev@snowcrest.net ~ cheers ~ Denise ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:19:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Query: Wayne Koestenbaum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone backchannel me an email and/or snailmail address for Wayne Koestenbaum? Many thanks. Hal "Once upon a time Baltimore was necessary." --Gertrude Stein Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:23:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: * TONIGHT * Boog City Anniversary Party NYC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ** TONIGHT ** Boog City 12th Anniversary Party Thurs. Aug. 7, 6 p.m., free ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC Come celebrate the anniversary of literary press and community newspaper publisher Boog City and the beginning of their new monthly reading series, d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america. Featuring readings from NYC small press editors who Boog City has published, including: Jen Coleman (pompom) Jordan Davis and Chris Edgar (The Hat) Bob Hershon (Hanging Loose Press) Brenda Iijima (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs) Katy Lederer (Explosive/Spectacular Books) Brendan Lorber (Lungfull) * Dan Machlin (future poem) Lewis Warsh (United Artists) * Rebecca Woolf (Fence) Also, a featured reading by Alaska's Kent Fielding, who has edited Louisville, Kentucky's White Fields Press and Permafrost. With music from Paula Paige There will be wine, cheese, and fruit, too. Hosted by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues. For further information call 212-842-BOOG (2664) or email editor@boogcity.com -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 08:28:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: without getting over here I informed best available evidence In-Reply-To: <008e01c35cf7$7747af50$90ee4b43@emma> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable without getting over here I informed best available evidence the entire building titled - a slot machine was giving birth, falling=20 off the edge. doors and windows joining against me. two buildings park=20= alone - abandoned - wine-soaked. it was six o-clock, I was on my knees=20= making an offering of my back, and my arms . . . I even offered my=20 buttons at an intersection. the telephone was ringing . . . . someone=20 was singing, =93your dead,=94 (relocation furniture), =93your dead,=94 =20= (debate over rust), =93your dead.=94 later to be (de-) than (re-)=20 commissioned. I still had refuge in suggestions . . . bungled in the=20 carcass of sex. my brain is shadow light vice in a million submerged=20 ship wrecks, a crap table looking out over ranch style radiation. my=20 vertigo, my zenith, my serain wrap. I pull the curtains and a shred of=20= morality play=92s jealousy on a personal chastity refrain, or was that a=20= plugged drain? write down for memory, =93with sympathetic interest,=94 = and=20 pronounce the words sliding door and four of spades.= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 09:13:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: function Twelve(){twelve; then return} Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 12. History carries its properties across borders of abstraction into the weight of the sun tugging shadows across the treelawn. Anenome's once headache thins with appointment cancelation, tasting the lightning deep in her teeth. This year, alone, she broke in directions. Every charm against the night attracts poly morphism the same way sleep does: shivers for fruitful gods. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 12:58:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the page is down actually. oh well, you WOULD have liked it! Don Riggs gave a moving portrait. Conrad ------------- p.s. last updated 8/2/03 CAConrad's Poetry Page click here: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:08:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Lawyer poets / / / / / Sophia Memon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit there's a FANTASTIC lawyer poet in Philadelphia named Sophia Memon. i heard her read recently at the Asian Arts Initiative with poet Mytili Jagannathan. they were reading a collaborative piece they had written, a series of haiku on war that they read as a conversation for us. stunning stuff. Sophia is participating in the live panel 9for9 coming up at the Philly Sound: http://www.english.upenn.edu/~wh/phillysoundwknd.html she's also giving a reading at the festival... here's her bio from the catalog: Sofia Memon is a poet and welfare rights lawyer who lives and works in Philadelphia, PA. Sofia has read her work at The Khyber, the Asian Arts Initiative, both in Philadelphia, as well as the Philly Sound Poetry Festival. Her poetry will appear in the soon to be published anthology, Writing the Lines of Our Hands. Her writing is an exploration of sound, lyric, and form as well as an expression of cultural fusion, muslim spirituality, and humane politics. ------------- p.s. last updated 8/2/03 CAConrad's Poetry Page click here: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 13:44:53 -0400 Reply-To: 18073-feedback-48@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Brooklyn on the Bowery Poetry Fest, Free Mead Tasting, bOOK OF cHANGES hIP hOP sPECTACULAR -- Bowery Poetry Club Suggests MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club - 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across = from CBGB's F train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 more info? www.bowerypoetry.com tix? www.virtuous.com audio downloads= ? www.audible.com/bpc=20 Wed 8/6 Our monthly Soft Skull Sneak Peek series brings John S Hall, Aman= da Stern and Matthew Sharpe to the mic at 7 (5$)... at 9 it's the thrilli= ng conclusion of Holes Before Bedtime after which the Holes folks will ha= ve a party free for all w/ some solid bands -- VAZ, Arctic Universe, =C2=A0= and the ever-popular, the Cuntz (afterparty free starts at 10 or so) ... 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Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Craig Allen Conrad > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 9:59 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: ****SUSAN STEWART AND CRIMES OF LONGING BY DON RIGGS**** > > > the page is down actually. > > oh well, you WOULD have liked it! > Don Riggs gave a moving portrait. > Conrad > > ------------- > p.s. last updated 8/2/03 CAConrad's Poetry Page > click here: http://hometown.aol.com/caconrad13/myhomepage/profile.html > > for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > > for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ > > "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. > If people were forced to eat what they > killed there would be no more war." > --Abbie Hoffman > > "This is a good world... > And war shall fail." > --Kenneth Patchen > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 11:04:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: Re: Poems by others: James Shea, "Haiku" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Shea is BellaOnline's Nintendo Host. James Shea Award. This index uses the very latest list of keywords and numbers. Volume. Page #. ... Presentation and acceptance of the 1991 James Shea Award. James ("Shea") has the background and experience necessary to produce Horse and Rider to the very highest standard. ... Alf Shea. Alfred James Shea. Born: 7 November 1898, Briton Ferry, Glamorgan, Wales Died: 21 May 1969, Neath, Glamorgan, Wales Major Teams: Glamorgan. ... New Student Orientation James Shea. School: College Year: Senior Major: Gov't/Econ Hometown: Wayne, NJ Activities at GU GUSA, Swim ... oh! http://www.gutcult.com/litjourn2/html/JS1.html ??? James Shea has spent the last two years in Japan and Slovenia. His poems have appeared in Jubilat and Crazy Horse. anyway what a great poem! thanks for posting. --Tenney mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 6:25 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Poems by others: James Shea, "Haiku" > > > Haiku > > Upon Kissing You after You Vomited. > Upon Walking You Home and You Pissing > in Your Pants. Upon Asking a Complete Stranger > about Our Situation. Upon Reading Issa's > Prescripts "Issa in a State of Illness" > "At Being Bewildered on Waking" and Realizing > the Haiku Poets Were Not So Laconic and How > Could They Be? Poem Before Dying. Poem > Shortly Before I Head to Dinner. Poem in Which > I Enter Drops of Dew Like a Man with Tiny Keys. > Hitomaro has a poem called On Seeing > the Body of a Man Lying among the Stones > on the Island of Samine in Sanuki Province. > Kanyu's short poem is called A Poem > Shown to My Niece Sonsho on Reaching > the Barrier of the Ran after Being Relegated > to an Inferior Position. Poem Louis Aragon > Would Be Proud Of. Poem I'll Never Show You. > Poem Written in a Bugs Bunny Cartoon as the > Plane's Controls Come Off in My Hands. Poem > that Jerks Around Like a Hamster in a Bag. Basho > wrote a haiku for his students that he claimed > was his death poem. The night before > he said that for the last 20 years every poem > he had written had been his death poem. Upon > No Longer Recalling My Thoughts When I Was a Boy > Within My Father's Stare. At Being Exhausted > at Having to Explain Why Using Slang > Is More Fun than Reading a Dictionary of Slang. > The poet Saikaku once wrote 23,500 verses > in 24 hours. Basho saw Mt. Nikko and said, > "I was filled with such awe that I hesitated > to write a poem." Upon Looking Past You > into the Mattress, into the Faces of Prior Lovers. > Upon Trying to Cultivate My Inner Life While > Also Killing My Ego. On Watching > a 200 pd. Endangered Orangutan > Rape My Wife While She Shouts at Me > Not to Shoot Him. On Seeing a Blood-Shot > Spanish Boy Who Was Not Even Crying He Was So Sad > And Not Even Crying He Was So Sad. Poem > in Which I Embody a Moment So Vividly, So > Succinctly, Yet Decorate It with Such Sills, > Such Elaborations. Upon Doodling Your Name > Which Became Your Face Emerging from Day-Old > Coals. Upon Reading that Basho Believed "A Haiku > Revealing 70 to 80% of Its Subject Is Good, Yet > Those Revealing 50 to 60% Will Never Bore Us." > On Finally Leaving My Attic and Hearing English > for the First Time in 20 Years and It Sounding > Like an Animal's Cry Before It Attacks. Poem > in Response to Flying all the Way to Rome > to Meet You and Being Dumped at the Airport. > Peom about the Next Two Weeks We Spent Together. > Poem as I Sit on this Curb with My Head > in My Hands. Poem After Learning the Japanese > Word for the Simultaneous Feeling of Love > and Hatred. Poem for the Mountain at the End > of My Street. Poem in Response to Some of My > Recent Poems that Seem to Have Been Written > Inside of an Aquarium. On Spending a Week in Silence > at a Monastery and Not Being Allowed Pen or Paper. > On Meditating and Feeling Like I Was a Blue Flame. > On Getting Up and Scribbling Something in the Bathroom. > On Stopping at the Train Tracks and Having a Deer > Break His Head Through My Passenger Window, > Stare at Me, and Then Run Back into the Wood. > > --James Shea > > in *Jubilat* #4, 2002 > > > Hal, wondering if "Sills" up there [sic] should be "Skills" > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:41:41 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: NEW TITLES FROM SALT (SEPTEMBER 2003) Comments: To: UK POETRY , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable NEW TITLES FROM SALT (SEPTEMBER 2003) Kamau Brathwaite Words Need Love Too ISBN 1876857498 Pub date: September 2003 (UK ONLY) Joe Francis Doerr Order of the Ordinary ISBN 1844710122 Pub date: September 2003 Ulli Freer Speakbright Leap Passwood ISBN 1844710025 Pub date: September 2003 Loss Peque=F1o Glazier Anatman, Pumpkin Seed, Algorithm ISBN 1844710017 Pub date: September 2003 Jerry Harp Creature ISBN 1844710289 Pub date: September 2003 Peter Hughes Blueroads ISBN 1844710149 Pub date: September 2003 Lisa Jarnot Ring of Fire ISBN 1844710076 Pub date: September 2003 (UK ONLY) Tony Lopez False Memory ISBN 1844710300 Pub date: September 2003 Rod Mengham & John Kinsella Vanishing Points ISBN 1876857137 Pub date: September 2003 Drew Milne Go Figure ISBN 1844710297 Pub date: September 2003 Douglas Oliver Arrondissements ISBN 184471019X Pub date: September 2003 James Reiss Riff on Six ISBN 1844710319 Pub date: September 2003 Simon Smith Reverdy Road ISBN 1844710270 Pub date: September 2003 John Tranter Trio ISBN 1876857714 Pub date: September 2003 Best wishes Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Hamilton-Emery Editor=20 Salt Publishing=20 PO Box 937, Great Wilbraham PDO Cambridge, CB1 5JX, UK tel: +44 (0)1223 880929 (direct and voicemail) mobile: 07799 054889 email: cemery@saltpublishing.com web: http://www.saltpublishing.com ____________________________________________________ ** Geraldine Monk "Selected Poems" available now! ISBN 1876857692 ** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:32:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Lawyer poets In-Reply-To: <003401c35c44$d0049a80$f8fdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ron Everson was a lawyer. F.R. Scott was the dean of law at McGill. -- George Bowering Naturally aged Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:36:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: caution dummy text In-Reply-To: <20030806222823.54121.qmail@web80603.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Please do not read this post. It has no content. None ever does. > >> > >> >Chris wrote: >> > >> > >| If beavers are references >> > >| how do they build dams? >> >> Beavers build dams. >> >> The word "beavers" in a poem is a reference. Beavers >> are contained in >> the world. The content of a book is, perhaps, paper, >> ink, glue. >> >> >> -- >> George Bowering >> Favours the St. Cloud Riverbats >> Fax 604-266-9000 > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca -- George Bowering Naturally aged Fax 604-266-9000 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:36:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: [webartery] @eleven@ Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lewis: Wonderful! -Joel > 11. > > Jean Cocteau likes grapes. Likes > the thought of grapes, their > form in his mind somehow > congruent with > > salves, or the slavish > poetics he tallies: sacs; > > > blooming along the trellis > in leprous overabundance. > There are no grapes in Northeast > Ohio, at least not > > last night, when walking the length > of Cooper Foster Park Road, > Sheffield to Lorain, I > saw a deer staring through live > > mists of an empty field. It was > right across the street from where > > my father's buried. A road there > > can veer off into these stoned histories, and Jean > can't. > > > ===== > > > NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ > > http://www.lewislacook.com/ > > tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:49:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: My Jeff Harrison Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed my mansions cage a bit... my World Virginia... my slow down (my speed up is free)... my verse... my fireplace over the hypodermic gone seventeen hours large... my bed one part photographs, three parts breakfast... my Eternal Damnation came as quite a relief... My Lucky Dollar my way out... my eyes & the dust I clean my sugar with... my bared skin... my sensitive Formosa....my lying promises.... my lucky pennies... my small wings... my who's who is in who is (blank)'s foundation... my right hand cut off & how many poets would then find themselves left-handed?... my prime suspect for the theft of my starved fox ashes... you're my night... the spiteful riddles of my tongue.... my liberty is drawing toward silence... prayers thus amazed saw each new face in my eyes... my eyes troubled the summer with Prussian copies... axioms conceived my heart... my ancestors read Nerval in a characteristic phylogeny plantation... my Siren lies under other skies... my equipment is becoming something of an American world... my good name born amongst her imperfect gravity... my lungs eat away at the Psalmist... my common sense tells me "readers are not witnesses"... my darling resemblance is a few steps away... my ears thin-metal an explanation... my bed seemed so far away... my exclamations light did rent the best a la moderation... my dearest... my dinner reputation always cudgeled red-hot to mark the world from what Virginia marks as literary... my skin crawls in sympathy when I think 'pon the prowling skin of lefthand flowers... my suggestion is licensed to do what you're so eager for... my knee beheld their eyebrows spectacular... my works on paper suggested to me by my substitute... my house creatures are half-built words... threaten my own lips in return for more time... my sight suddenly restored by beastliness... my shoes chuck out a shade to dance a rant... no use my counting for nothing... have I not the scent of my trembling betters?... my blood runs at their hitherto pierced sleeps plugged now with phrase... my hound-tooth tearing the sky open white as clouds... my moving part like a fox slimy with heart... my ridiculous commitment to the silent stone inside me... my neck crowding-swept out to the willows... you're my two broken strings & every moon that falls quiet... my shabby tail's mechanical fruit gone All Loud Wormswork... my promise spat between the blood forks... the forbidden suffer my tumor of birds... my zodiac’s broken into stumps your telescope gapes... where my wanders ended Shelley's began... I named my sled Violet... my early contacts pulled into shape by, ah, moonfolks... my gangplank notes considered succulent... my shrug slips the knock-out... my snooze ceased with a sneeze... my own flesh left to flower... the top of my light is already out of the frame... souring my silver with air relentless & desolate... my eye swamping 1000 years for mountains between numbers & oaths... my child is Cold Earth... waves sack my whole as it topples Bad Cuttlefish's... my first vicinity was a tolerably warm boot upon a road lately removed... Medusa will use her mirrored artery to espy my caduceus... my wooden horses... 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But= copies=20 are physically on-hand ... on my hands so I'm...offering! Cheers, Eileen Tabios =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ANNOUNCEMENT FROM MERITAGE PRESS=20 (St. Helena & San Francisco, = Meritage Press): OPERA: Poems 1981-2002 By Barry Schwabsky Contact: Eileen Tabios at MeritagePress@aol.com OPERA: Poems 1981-2002, Barry= Schwabsky=20 Meritage Press is pleased to announce the publication of OPERA, the first=20 book-length collection of poems by Barry Schwabsky. Written over a=20 21-year-period, OPERA presents a compelling, often ecstatic, poetic body of=20= work by a=20 writer who has been more visible over the past two decades as a respected ar= t=20 critic. Mr. Schwabsky was first published as a college undergraduate in POET= RY=20 magazine; subsequently, he published his work in various journals as well as= in=20 two chapbooks, the last being Fate/Seen In The Dark in 1985 through the=20 respected poetry publisher, Burning Deck. Over the last decade, however, he= has=20 circulated his poems informally or published them only as limited-edition=20 poet-artist collaborations. OPERA now allows Mr. Schwabsky's poetry to be a= ccessible=20 to the larger public. Reflecting his primarily private poetic development, Mr. Schwabsky has=20 created a poetry that transcends the schools and categories that sprung up w= ithin=20 the poetry world of recent decades -- also observed by various poet-critics=20 offering advance words on OPERA. David Shapiro says Mr. Schwabsky's poems a= re=20 "born of a strange encounter between American poetry and European masters su= ch as=20 Celan and Novalis [that] always surprises me by its exploratory=20 investigations." 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Mr. Schwabsky is a well-known art critic for such publications as Artforum=20 (where he is co-editor of international reviews), Art in America, Tema Celes= te,=20 and the London Review of Books and the author of The Widening Circle:=20 Consequences of Modernism in Contemporary Art (Cambridge University Press) a= s well as=20 co-author of Jessica Stockholder (Phaidon Press), Gillian Wearing: Mass=20 Observation (Merrell Publishers), and Vitamin P: New Perspectives in Paintin= g=20 (Phaidon Press), among others. He also works as a curator and teacher, havi= ng=20 taught at Pratt Institute, the School of Visual Arts, New York University, Y= ale=20 University, and Goldsmiths College, University of London. Born in Paterson,= New=20 Jersey, he currently resides in London. Inevitably, Mr. Schwabsky's=20 activities as an art critic has affected his poems as reflected in an elegan= t=20 exactitude to his form: in his poems, each word earns its presence.=20 ORDERING INFORMATION: OPERA's ISBN No. is 0970917929 Price: $14.00 Barry Schwabsky's OPERA will be available this Fall through Amazon.com;=20 Meritage Press' web site (www.MeritagePress.com); and through Small Press=20 Distribution (www.spdbooks.org). All three sites process internet sales; yo= u also may=20 request your favorite bookstore to order the book from SPD. Publisher's Special Offer Until October 15, 2003: Book orders placed directly with the publisher to U.S. locations will carry=20= a=20 25% discount off of the retail price, and cancellation of the normally $3=20 shipping & handling charge. Orders to non-U.S. locations will receive the s= ame=20 discount, but the relevant international shipping charges will be passed=20 through to customers. Contact us first by e-mail for non-U.S. orders. For those placing U.S.=20 orders, you may make checks out to Meritage Press ($11.20 per book) and send= to Eileen Tabios Publisher Meritage Press 2275 Broadway, Suite 312 San Francisco, CA 94115 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 23:09:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: The BetaSpace Galleries Comments: cc: webartery , rhizome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- ethan@www.betaspace.org wrote: > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 21:36:06 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: The BetaSpace Galleries > From: > To: redcaiman@redcaiman.org, mentis938@hotmail.com, > imagerybyaimea@yahoo.com, cembasa@hotmail.com, > fabiangiles@freegar.org, roopesh@mmu.edu.my, > llacook@yahoo.com, dc@spensley.com, > palli@pallit.lhi.is, katielogo@hotmail.com, > liam@aleguire.com, jay@jaykellyphoto.com, > mov2047@hotmail.com, eas442@yahoo.com > > Hey there everyone!!! > > Its time for BetaSpace have another gallery opening. > As previous artists in our past exhibit you are > recieveing a special invitation to vote on your > favorite works. You see some of our galleries are > filled by popular vote, so we need your > participation. > > However that's not all. We are doing things a bit > differently this time. Normally you have to register > to vote (even in real life too) but this time we are > doing mob rules. Thats right anyone can show up and > vote on this poll only. And you can vote as many > times > as you like. So if you want to vote a hundred times, > please go ahead. > > We are only sending this to our past artists so > things > don't get out of control. That's not to say you > might > not tell your friends - but how are we to know?? > > Okay get out there and vote, polls close on saturday > night. > > here is a direct link to this round of entries: > http://www.betaspace.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 > > Cheers > The BetaSpace Team > NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 00:36:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Rae Armantrout Reading at KSW Tuesday 19 August 8pm (Vancouver) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rae Armantrout Tuesday, August 19, 8pm Kootenay School of Writing 204 505 Hamilton at Pender admission: $5/$3 Rae Armantrout has published eight books of poetry, including Extremities (The Figures, 1978), The Invention of Hunger (Tuumba, 1979), Precedence (Burning Deck,1985), Necromance (Sun And Moon, 1991), Couverture (a selected in French translation from Les Cahiers de Royaumont, 1991), Made To Seem (Sun And Moon, 1995), writing the plot about sets (Chax, 1998) and The Pretext (Green Integer, 2001). Armantrout's prose memoir, True, was published by Atelos in 1998. Wesleyan University Press published Armantrout's selected poems, Veil, in 2001. A Wild Salience: The Writing of Rae Armantrout, featuring essays on Armantrout by Robert Creeley, Hank Lazer, Bob Perelman, Lydia Davis, Ron Silliman, Brenda Hillman, Fanny Howe and others has recently appeared from Burning Press. Armantrout has taught writing courses at UC San Diego since the early 80's. She has twice received a Fund For Poetry Grant and was a California Arts Council Fellowship recipient in 1989. One of her poems has been selected by Robert Hass for inclusion in The Best American Poetry of 2001. Rae Armantrout teaches writing courses at UC San Diego. http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/armantrout ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 04:08:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: luna MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/archaea9.exe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:47:27 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: knights impro 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT please circulate this as you see fit. apologies if it comes to you numerous times. :) Sarah Joy Stoker and Collective Gutsink invite you to join us at Cape Spear, Friday, Saturday and Sunday, August 8, 9, and 10 anytime between 6 and 9pm for Knights Impro 3. http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/nl/spear/index_e.asp This is the third installment of the Knights Impro series. It is an opportunity to experience spontaneous interdisciplinary art in its purest form in a setting like no other, Cape Spear. Featured local artists are Curtis and Duane Andrews, Greg Bennett, Alison Carter, Neil Conway, Chris Driedzic, Kevin Hehir and Sarah Joy Stoker. We are extremely excited to announce the participation of Montreal based artists Lin Snelling and Deborah Dunn. Deborah Dunn studied visual art before getting seduced by dance. She has worked as a choreographer, performer, photographer, and as a set and costume designer. She started her company Trial and Eros in Vancouver in '93 and moved to Montreal in '98. Her choreography has toured to Burlington, New York, Toronto, Vancouver, Regina, St. John’’s, Halifax and Calgary. Deborah has performed with some of Canada’’s leading improvisers including: Jennifer Mascall, Benoit Lachambre, Andrew Harwood and Peter Bingham. Her work is both elegant and critical, heartfelt and hilarious. As a dancer she has been described as clean and gentle with a strong yet lyrical presence. Lin Snelling is a hybrid dance-theatre choreographer and performer. She continues to investigate, perform and teach improvisation which has cultivated an exploration into body work in relation to dance and the spoken and written word. Lin studied with Nancy Topf for three years, and still maintains a link and deep interest in Topf technique. Lin has performed since 1989 with Gilles Maheu and Carbone 14 touring nationally and internationally. In addition, she has worked with several other choreographers and directors in Toronto,Montreal, Vancouver, and Europe. An interest in multidisciplinary art and invention fuels her many choreographies, some of the most recent being Femme Comme Paysage / Woman As Landscape with collaborators Michael Reinhart and Josée Gagnon. Words Will Be Spoken / Echo , a collaboration with Hetty King presented at Tangente and at P.S. 122 in New York, and IAMMYOWNRAIN, an urban ritual initiated and danced by Chantal Lamirande. Her most recent collaboration, Extinction, is being presented in its evolutionary forms this fall at the Vernissage-danse #104, #105, and #106 and will be premiered in Mexico in January 2003. This project has been funded by The Canada Council for the Arts and The Newfoundland and Labrador Arts Council. For any further info please email Sarah, stokedjoy@hotmail.com or www.gutsink.nf.ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 03:27:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: geezer poem Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First geezer poem at http://www.geezer.com/item.html?itemID=26246 tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 12:42:11 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Blackbox summer gallery--submit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The summer gallery is slowly coming together. Thus far the site contains new work by Andrew Topel, Jukka Pekka Kervinen, and Vernon Frazer. Go to WilliamJamesAustin.com and follow the Blackbox link to check things out. Submissions welcome. Many thanks in advance. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:18:21 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: [webartery] @eleven@ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I really enjoyed this poem enormously. I loved it! Who wrote it again? -- Kirby Olson Joel Weishaus wrote: > Lewis: > > Wonderful! > > -Joel > > > 11. > > > > Jean Cocteau likes grapes. Likes > > the thought of grapes, their > > form in his mind somehow > > congruent with > > > > salves, or the slavish > > poetics he tallies: sacs; > > > > > > blooming along the trellis > > in leprous overabundance. > > There are no grapes in Northeast > > Ohio, at least not > > > > last night, when walking the length > > of Cooper Foster Park Road, > > Sheffield to Lorain, I > > saw a deer staring through live > > > > mists of an empty field. It was > > right across the street from where > > > > my father's buried. A road there > > > > can veer off into these stoned histories, and Jean > > can't. > > > > > > ===== > > > > > > NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone > http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ > > > > http://www.lewislacook.com/ > > > > tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:45:20 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: F T Prince - 1912-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable F.T. Prince passed away yesterday at 90. Of the various literary conservatives who were variously adopted over the years by the NY School, this South African born British Shakespeare & Milton specialist, who later taught at Brandeis & in Yemen, was the most formal. I saw him read once in NY many years ago with John Ashbery & Ann Lauterbach -- he seemed frail even then (nearly 20 years ago).=20 Here's the obit & his most famous poem: F T Prince (Filed: 08/08/2003)=20 F T Prince, who died yesterday aged 90, was one of the most interesting and underrated poets of the 20th century. During the Second World War he worked as an Intelligence officer at Bletchley Park and in the Middle East, and composed what came to be his best-known poem, Soldiers Bathing, a moving meditation in rhyming couplets on the "bitterness and pity that engage / Blood, spirit, in this war." It concludes with a mysteriously resonant image of sacrifice, one which contrasts absolutely with the deft ironies of more cynical Second World War poets such as Keith Douglas: "I feel a strange delight that fills me full, / Strange gratitude, as if evil itself were beautiful, / And kiss the wound in thought, while in the west / I watch a streak of red that might have issued from Christ's breast." Prince was a poet whose work critics found particularly difficult to classify. His first collection, austerely entitled Poems, was published by Faber in 1938. It is not hard to see why this manuscript from an unknown 25-year-old South African should have impressed Faber's then editor, T S Eliot. The poems fuse an extraordinary literary sophistication with an elusive, subtle lyricism and oblique, ever-shifting angles of vision. Nothing could have been further from the political tub-thumping or knockabout farce of the dominant English poet of the 1930s, W H Auden. Prince explored the language of his various speakers, such as Edmund Burke, or the Zulu prince Chaka, or an invented 17th-century artist appealing for funds to his patron, with a disinterestedness that is particularly astonishing given that the poems were composed on the eve of the Second World War. Despite this auspicious debut, Prince's next volume, Soldiers Bathing, did not appear until 1954, and then with a different publisher (Fortune Press). The poems collected here were again intensely literary and self-conscious. Prince made brilliant use of the dramatic monologue developed in the mid-19th century by Tennyson and Browning to give the thoughts of Michelangelo in old age and of the Sybil. Prince's retelling of this myth is one of his most successful long poems. According to the Ancient Greek legend, the god of the sun, Apollo, fell in love with the Sybil and agreed to grant her any wish. She asked to live as many years as there were grains in a certain heap of dust, but forgot to ask for enduring youth. Apollo and the Sybil reveals with particular clarity Prince's immaculate control of sound, rhythm, and the energies of syntax. Radiant land and seascapes are played off the Sybil's physical decrepitude and insistent self-doubts: And now a low brown person, shrinking slowly to a bag of skin, / I wonder at myself, and even more that, were I to begin, // I think that I should do what I have done. // And gulls, swallows, turn down wind, / The sea toils, grinds and crushes / Marble to milk at cliff-base =85 Prince's poems had attracted by this time an eclectic band of fervent admirers. This small but select fan-club included poets as dissimilar from one another as Geoffrey Hill and John Ashbery, both of whom contributed to a special issue of P N Review dedicated to the work of Prince that was published last year. It was Ashbery who successfully sponsored Prince's candidacy for the E M Forster award he received from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. Frank Templeton Prince was born in the mining town of Kimberley, South Africa, on September 13 1912, and educated at the Christian Brothers' College in Kimberley. He went on to Balliol College, Oxford, where he read English, and continued his literary studies at Princeton. Prince was an academic scholar as well as a poet. His study of Italian influences on Milton's poetry was published in 1954, and is still one of the standard works on this subject. From 1957 to 1974 Prince was a Professor of English at Southampton University, and after his retirement he accepted a number of professorships at a diverse array of institutions: the University of Jamaica (1975-78); Brandeis University in America (1978-80); and Sana'a University, North Yemen (1981-83). Aside from his monograph on Milton, his other most significant scholarly publications were an edition of Shakespeare's poems for Arden, published in 1960, and a critical study of Shakespeare's poetry, which came out three years later. Although his poetry never received the attention its qualities might have expected, Prince was honoured by the British academic establishment: in 1968-69 he was a Visiting Fellow at All Souls College, Oxford, and in 1972-73 he delivered the Clark lecture series at Cambridge. For the academic year 1985-86, he was elected President of the English Association, a body he surprised by delivering his annual address in verse. Many critics thought Prince a "poet's poet" - though this sloppy judgment often meant no more than saying that his poetry does not fit in neatly to existing critical orthodoxies. Certainly, his work was resolutely indifferent to poetic fashions, and his maverick nature was indicated by the variety of his publishers: Faber, Fortune Press, Rupert Hart-Davis, Fulcrum, Menard (whose current editor, Anthony Rudolf, has been one of Prince's most energetic champions), Anvil, and, most recently, Carcanet, who published his final Collected Poems in 1993. He is survived by his wife Elizabeth (n=E9e Bush), whom he married in 1943, and two daughters. ---------------------- Soldiers Bathing was the title poem of Prince's second volume, published in the 1950s. Soldiers Bathing The sea at evening moves across the sand.=20 Under a reddening sky I watch the freedom of a band=20 Of soldiers who belong to me. Stripped bare=20 For bathing in the sea, they shout and run in the warm air;=20 Their flesh worn by the trade of war, revives=20 And my mind towards the meaning of it strives. All's pathos now. The body that was gross,=20 Rank, ravenous, disgusting in the act or in repose,=20 All fever, filth and sweat, its bestial strength=20 And bestial decay, by pain and labour grows at length=20 Fragile and luminous. 'Poor bare forked animal,'=20 Conscious of his desires and needs and flesh that rise and fall,=20 Stands in the soft air, tasting after toil=20 The sweetness of his nakedness: letting the sea-waves coil=20 Their frothy tongues about his feet, forgets=20 His hatred of the war, its terrible pressure that begets=20 A machinery of death and slavery,=20 Each being a slave and making slaves of others: finds that he=20 Remembers his old freedom in a game=20 Mocking himself, and comically mimics fear and shame. He plays with death and animality;=20 And reading in the shadows of his pallid flesh, I see=20 The idea of Michelangelo's cartoon=20 Of soldiers bathing, breaking off before they were half done=20 At some sortie of the enemy, an episode=20 Of the Pisan wars with Florence. I remember how he showed=20 Their muscular limbs that clamber from the water,=20 And heads that turn across the shoulder, eager for the slaughter,=20 Forgetful of their bodies that are bare,=20 And hot to buckle on and use the weapons lying there. =96And I think too of the theme another found=20 When, shadowing men's bodies on a sinister red ground Another Florentine, Pollaiuolo,=20 Painted a naked battle: warriors, straddled, hacked the foe,=20 Dug their bare toes into the ground and slew=20 The brother-naked man who lay between their feet and drew His lips back from his teeth in a grimace. They were Italians who knew war's sorrow and disgrace=20 And showed the thing suspended, stripped: a theme=20 Born out of the experience of war's horrible extreme=20 Beneath a sky where even the air flows=20 With lacrimae Christi. For that rage, that bitterness, those blows,=20 That hatred of the slain, what could they be=20 But indirectly or directly a commentary=20 On the Crucifixion? And the picture burns=20 With indignation and pity and despair by turns,=20 Because it is the obverse of the scene=20 Where Christ hangs murdered, stripped, upon the Cross. I mean,=20 That is the explanation of its rage. And we too have our bitterness and pity that engage=20 Blood, spirit, in this war. But night begins,=20 Night of the mind: who nowadays is conscious of our sins?=20 Though every human deed concerns our blood,=20 And even we must know, what nobody has understood,=20 That some great love is over all we do,=20 And that is what has driven us to this fury, for so few=20 Can suffer all the terror of that love:=20 The terror of that love has set us spinning in this groove=20 Greased with our blood. These dry themselves and dress, Combing their hair, forget the fear and shame of nakedness. Because to love is frightening we prefer The freedom of our crimes. Yet, as I drink the dusky air, I feel a strange delight that fills me full, Strange gratitude, as if evil itself were beautiful, And kiss the wound in thought, while in the west I watch a streak of red that might have issued from Christ's breast. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:56:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: bone confetti Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed your servants are swept orange, Lady Antecedent your land's her last insinuation white hats give advice to your oldest clothes your breath is a double-barreled frailty cure your load by reading the newspaper there's no harm in the jaw of your passport calf use your words for explaining yourself a well-written obituary all but insures interest in your attic papers your revelatory pledge comments on goatish paradox Capt. Fur Afloat, adultery purchased your sententious task how old is your map? home's beyond turning your nugget whiteness is your double & your haunt is burst oh she is Jane to all your Joes seeking claims forgiven is your orchard pillow rockets have been fired to aid your tears of joy I've suspected your concentration for some time the photographs tucked into your dressing-room mirror are from where I forgot the words the most new blew away your hollow wave flat on your tail bone, momentarily located by number your garb resembling the ground, rhetoric bites at your legs your donkeys are packed in ice may all your noise stand combing the woodland shoulders north! the little charioteers that fold, maybe, your gypsies' love read the riot act, or Baudelaire, to your horses in Boissonade three out of four doctors read about your martinetish sightseeing your three little brothers pace a carpet 800 feet long you really should learn to own up to your verbs PLAY GOLF FREE while having your SUIT PRESSED the art historians are coming, you might want to gussy up your genitals African is your eye & your waste is in the ditch stop corner parents with your shadowy fin she married your praises repugnant farmhands live in your apartment "I'll sear your name with candles upon walls!" what would your phantom condition say? mid-breath animals on your arm, Heaven in your company O your new boots have light roots watch now where your hands step, new animal, startled critter your winding-sheet clothes control an unnaming substitution bough your commerce armed with water straight whacked assumed shadows the thing is, your harvest is hard on others your swarthy tone is busy beating out consequence your breath's a frightened safety net your tomb, lout, opens not inwards but out with an infant's breath your fathomed blood flowers their Christ! your eye-heart a solitary lamb, your history a cold ripe wind _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:57:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: their knuckles ghosted of Paradise Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a long hiss forgave them half their sins their poems are as mud and rain and tearing wind animals are metamorphosed into graham crackers for their transgressions remorse astir wildly ‘round their hands their puppets are hooded underwater buffalos their squeeze will not wear this line thin dark even their fish, and their bees? startle them, & they'll turn their gauzy daylight mossfur-side up geese quite well of their drones corpse the spring freshness private lives torn down (their scabs a picture) they wag as if unaccompanied, their drag a lithe perpetual their exchanges freed my sleep from conclusion here were children sealed in their lighthearted gait too eternal O perfumed are their pressure-glass'd sides these entertainers have given up their old humble knowledge their fingers are now syllabic levers, sweet their thick down-run repose their imprint vanquished the abyss! & snowed Kneph's tomb! yet their steeped little loves are among the ashes today their price washed to fire like my money frees amusements they're all statues unmindful of their own stone-quarries their are razors short-changed every summer these spiders ride with their hearts stuck out like thumbs sour grapes have their genealogies traced up to the ink I track in on the bottom of my shoes their sky-span more a brain than a grave-mound their show wine is fit now only for ogre-washing their flushed heads lip everything which clouds spit _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:03:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: today's sicko news: elite force aviator Bush Doll Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0808-11.htm __________________________________________________ www.antiwar.com (probably the most useful, thorough, and frequently updated of the urls pertaining to US foreign policy -- also one of the most credible of the avowedly anti-war right-wing websites) http://www.truthout.org (stories exclusively from mainstream media -- for this reason, a very interesting website) http://www.commondreams.org/ (this compilation website is subtitled "breaking news and views for the progressive community") http://www.buzzflash.com/ (very earnest and sometimes annoying abstracts but generally the most sedulously updated website I frequent) http://www.legitgov.org/ (*very* annoying abstracts and profoundly left-bias to this website, but useful stories) http://www1.iraqwar.ru/?userlang=en (a Russian website rumored to be maintained by Russian intelligence. During the major combat in Iraq, this webste provided reports based on US-UK military radio communications. Sometimes carries and duplicates journalist pieces from western sources. Also interesting in that it provides reader-feedback sections. This feedback is often very caustic in its criticisms of the US invasion of Iraq and of US policy toward Israel and its occupation of Palestine.) www.indymedia.org (Independent media source, cooperative. Broke the story, eg, with photographs, of how staged the toppling of the Saddam statue after the "liberation") http://www.newamericancentury.org/ (this policy website is run by the Project for the New American Century, a "neo-con" organization with strong political and business and policy ties to the Bush administration. If you want to know what the administration is thinking or where it's going, this is a good place to start.) www.onpower.org (a compendium of articles and bibliographic material about how US foreign market and military interests have been advanced by the advent and creation of national "crises" -- more of a thinktank website than a news source, but topical and germane) http://www.aljazeerah.info/ (an online English version of Al Jazeera, the news source out of Qatar, which has won several prestigious international awards for its journalism [eg, a recent "anti-censorship award" called the "Freedom of Expression Award" given by the London-based Index on Censorship]. Of itself it says, "Your Gateway to Understanding the world system, American Foreign Policy, and the Arab and Muslim Worlds ..." Very interesting source.) http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/index.htm (Associated Press breaking news. Some of these stories are later picked up by newspapers and are then altered by those newspapers. Sometimes it's interesting to note how newspapers alter the stories. For instance, just a few days ago the New York Times removed some statistics from an online story about how many US soldiers have been wounded in Iraq since the US invaded the country) --"That there are men in all countries who get their living by war, and by keeping up the quarrels of nations, is as shocking as it is true; but when those who are concerned in the government of a country, make it their study to sow discord, and cultivate prejudices between nations, it becomes the more unpardonable." -- Thomas Paine, "The Rights of Man", circa 1792 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 16:21:20 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: stuff & things etc has anyone an email for Lissa Wolsak? please "backchannel" (that is what alla you young folk say, hey?) yr pal, buffalo bill -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. 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We distribute information and agitprop commodities through the marketplace and e-commerce to help tourists and locals alike understand our complicity in the decimation of Hawaii's land and people, and to imagine a different visitor/host relationship"). ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:59:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Armstrong Subject: Re: F T Prince - 1912-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you for the poem. It is superb. Steve Armstrong Publisher Wegway P. O. Box 157 Station A Toronto, Ontario Canada M5W 1B2 416 712 2716 http://www.wegway.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: F T Prince - 1912-2003 F.T. Prince passed away yesterday at 90. Of the various literary conservatives who were variously adopted over the years by the NY School, this South African born British Shakespeare & Milton specialist, who later taught at Brandeis & in Yemen, was the most formal. I saw him read once in NY many years ago with John Ashbery & Ann Lauterbach -- he seemed frail even then (nearly 20 years ago). Here's the obit & his most famous poem: F T Prince (Filed: 08/08/2003) F T Prince, who died yesterday aged 90, was one of the most interesting and underrated poets of the 20th century. During the Second World War he worked as an Intelligence officer at Bletchley Park and in the Middle East, and composed what came to be his best-known poem, Soldiers Bathing, a moving meditation in rhyming couplets on the "bitterness and pity that engage / Blood, spirit, in this war." It concludes with a mysteriously resonant image of sacrifice, one which contrasts absolutely with the deft ironies of more cynical Second World War poets such as Keith Douglas: "I feel a strange delight that fills me full, / Strange gratitude, as if evil itself were beautiful, / And kiss the wound in thought, while in the west / I watch a streak of red that might have issued from Christ's breast." Prince was a poet whose work critics found particularly difficult to classify. His first collection, austerely entitled Poems, was published by Faber in 1938. It is not hard to see why this manuscript from an unknown 25-year-old South African should have impressed Faber's then editor, T S Eliot. The poems fuse an extraordinary literary sophistication with an elusive, subtle lyricism and oblique, ever-shifting angles of vision. Nothing could have been further from the political tub-thumping or knockabout farce of the dominant English poet of the 1930s, W H Auden. Prince explored the language of his various speakers, such as Edmund Burke, or the Zulu prince Chaka, or an invented 17th-century artist appealing for funds to his patron, with a disinterestedness that is particularly astonishing given that the poems were composed on the eve of the Second World War. Despite this auspicious debut, Prince's next volume, Soldiers Bathing, did not appear until 1954, and then with a different publisher (Fortune Press). The poems collected here were again intensely literary and self-conscious. Prince made brilliant use of the dramatic monologue developed in the mid-19th century by Tennyson and Browning to give the thoughts of Michelangelo in old age and of the Sybil. Prince's retelling of this myth is one of his most successful long poems. According to the Ancient Greek legend, the god of the sun, Apollo, fell in love with the Sybil and agreed to grant her any wish. She asked to live as many years as there were grains in a certain heap of dust, but forgot to ask for enduring youth. Apollo and the Sybil reveals with particular clarity Prince's immaculate control of sound, rhythm, and the energies of syntax. Radiant land and seascapes are played off the Sybil's physical decrepitude and insistent self-doubts: And now a low brown person, shrinking slowly to a bag of skin, / I wonder at myself, and even more that, were I to begin, // I think that I should do what I have done. // And gulls, swallows, turn down wind, / The sea toils, grinds and crushes / Marble to milk at cliff-base . Prince's poems had attracted by this time an eclectic band of fervent admirers. This small but select fan-club included poets as dissimilar from one another as Geoffrey Hill and John Ashbery, both of whom contributed to a special issue of P N Review dedicated to the work of Prince that was published last year. It was Ashbery who successfully sponsored Prince's candidacy for the E M Forster award he received from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. Frank Templeton Prince was born in the mining town of Kimberley, South Africa, on September 13 1912, and educated at the Christian Brothers' College in Kimberley. He went on to Balliol College, Oxford, where he read English, and continued his literary studies at Princeton. Prince was an academic scholar as well as a poet. His study of Italian influences on Milton's poetry was published in 1954, and is still one of the standard works on this subject. From 1957 to 1974 Prince was a Professor of English at Southampton University, and after his retirement he accepted a number of professorships at a diverse array of institutions: the University of Jamaica (1975-78); Brandeis University in America (1978-80); and Sana'a University, North Yemen (1981-83). Aside from his monograph on Milton, his other most significant scholarly publications were an edition of Shakespeare's poems for Arden, published in 1960, and a critical study of Shakespeare's poetry, which came out three years later. Although his poetry never received the attention its qualities might have expected, Prince was honoured by the British academic establishment: in 1968-69 he was a Visiting Fellow at All Souls College, Oxford, and in 1972-73 he delivered the Clark lecture series at Cambridge. For the academic year 1985-86, he was elected President of the English Association, a body he surprised by delivering his annual address in verse. Many critics thought Prince a "poet's poet" - though this sloppy judgment often meant no more than saying that his poetry does not fit in neatly to existing critical orthodoxies. Certainly, his work was resolutely indifferent to poetic fashions, and his maverick nature was indicated by the variety of his publishers: Faber, Fortune Press, Rupert Hart-Davis, Fulcrum, Menard (whose current editor, Anthony Rudolf, has been one of Prince's most energetic champions), Anvil, and, most recently, Carcanet, who published his final Collected Poems in 1993. He is survived by his wife Elizabeth (née Bush), whom he married in 1943, and two daughters. ---------------------- Soldiers Bathing was the title poem of Prince's second volume, published in the 1950s. Soldiers Bathing The sea at evening moves across the sand. Under a reddening sky I watch the freedom of a band Of soldiers who belong to me. Stripped bare For bathing in the sea, they shout and run in the warm air; Their flesh worn by the trade of war, revives And my mind towards the meaning of it strives. All's pathos now. The body that was gross, Rank, ravenous, disgusting in the act or in repose, All fever, filth and sweat, its bestial strength And bestial decay, by pain and labour grows at length Fragile and luminous. 'Poor bare forked animal,' Conscious of his desires and needs and flesh that rise and fall, Stands in the soft air, tasting after toil The sweetness of his nakedness: letting the sea-waves coil Their frothy tongues about his feet, forgets His hatred of the war, its terrible pressure that begets A machinery of death and slavery, Each being a slave and making slaves of others: finds that he Remembers his old freedom in a game Mocking himself, and comically mimics fear and shame. He plays with death and animality; And reading in the shadows of his pallid flesh, I see The idea of Michelangelo's cartoon Of soldiers bathing, breaking off before they were half done At some sortie of the enemy, an episode Of the Pisan wars with Florence. I remember how he showed Their muscular limbs that clamber from the water, And heads that turn across the shoulder, eager for the slaughter, Forgetful of their bodies that are bare, And hot to buckle on and use the weapons lying there. -And I think too of the theme another found When, shadowing men's bodies on a sinister red ground Another Florentine, Pollaiuolo, Painted a naked battle: warriors, straddled, hacked the foe, Dug their bare toes into the ground and slew The brother-naked man who lay between their feet and drew His lips back from his teeth in a grimace. They were Italians who knew war's sorrow and disgrace And showed the thing suspended, stripped: a theme Born out of the experience of war's horrible extreme Beneath a sky where even the air flows With lacrimae Christi. For that rage, that bitterness, those blows, That hatred of the slain, what could they be But indirectly or directly a commentary On the Crucifixion? And the picture burns With indignation and pity and despair by turns, Because it is the obverse of the scene Where Christ hangs murdered, stripped, upon the Cross. I mean, That is the explanation of its rage. And we too have our bitterness and pity that engage Blood, spirit, in this war. But night begins, Night of the mind: who nowadays is conscious of our sins? Though every human deed concerns our blood, And even we must know, what nobody has understood, That some great love is over all we do, And that is what has driven us to this fury, for so few Can suffer all the terror of that love: The terror of that love has set us spinning in this groove Greased with our blood. These dry themselves and dress, Combing their hair, forget the fear and shame of nakedness. Because to love is frightening we prefer The freedom of our crimes. Yet, as I drink the dusky air, I feel a strange delight that fills me full, Strange gratitude, as if evil itself were beautiful, And kiss the wound in thought, while in the west I watch a streak of red that might have issued from Christ's breast. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:23:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Freedom's Global Warming (traditional codework poem) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Freedom's Global Warming (traditional codework poem) Birds: The Great Blue Hersur. vrai Birds: The Great Blue Hersur Authau: BJ Bartsur Birds: The Great Blue Hersur Authau: BJ Bartsur vrai Large Lacs Observatauy, which manages le Blue Hersur. its own purity -- le autre Great Lacs have impautant changes because of globale warming and depletisur vrai s discovering, most likely as a result of globale warming.) equipped university research vessel sur le Great Lacs. The R/V Blue Hersur spends about 100 days a vrai university research vessel sur le Great Lacs What lies sous Scientists sur le Blue Hersur undertake a likely as a result of globale warming. Professaus Nigel vrai le endangered species is not le rockfish au oyster au great bleu hersur. Tomaurow, a United Natisurs Global Warming Csurference csurvenes in Kyoto, Japan, hoping vrai It would be an effect of globale warming, because le They have been keeping a close eye sur le solitary great bleu hersur, looking fau signs of distress. vrai of warmer wealer; how this ties in with globale warming au La by Naulern Cardinal, Ruby-throated Hummingbird, Eastern Bluebird, Great Blue Hersur, Bald Eagle vrai ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:42:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Re: PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER on OPERA by BARRY SCHWABSKY In-Reply-To: <78.45191576.2c648e21@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's great to see a book of poems by the critic Barry Schwabsky.whose art writing I've admired for so many years. I didn't expect it would be as good as it is--for how many art writers of the first rank really can write poetry? (How many human beings do any two things especially well?) But Schwabsky is an unexpected exception. The promo material describes him as a poet writing "outside" of poetry, and that gibes with the strangely foreign flavor of his work, which sometimes seems to have been translated from a more delicate language than English. On the other hand it's often colloquial, lived-in, the "vulgar tongue," the trailer park trash talk mixed in with the references to Wittgenstein and Valery Larbaud and Traherne. One poem even boasts an epigraph by A.A. Fair, which I've never seen happen before in a book of poetry. On the back jacket David Shapiro speaks of the compression of Schwabsky's writing, it's true, no poem goes on much longer than a page or two, and those that do are linked shorter lyrics. I don't know yet what "Opera" means, but I'm working on it. One odd result of this unfamiliarity, by which I mean the alterity of his poetic diction, is that, although the book's subtitle is "Poems 1981-2002," I'm hard pressed to follow any pattern of growth, or decay, the way one might be able to with another author. The references to other poets--to Elaine Equi, Clark Coolidge, John Yau--might have been made at any time during that period, for they're none of them youngsters. Were the poems written in chronological order? I don't think so--but I'm just guessing because the opening sequence, "Opera"" employs the now-familiar trope of the remix--there's a "Club Mix" of it, a "Bandwidth Mix"" and so on, which wasn't so familiar back in 1981 was it? I don't think so, though now it's a yawny commonplace in poetry I suppose. Anyhow it'll all come clear the more I read of this book. Congratulations to you, Eileen Tabios, for having the gumption to publish such a unique and satisfying work. Hope that some of you on the Poetics List will buy it and tell me what you think. -- Kevin K. At 1:24 AM -0400 8/8/03, Eileen Tabios wrote: >The notice below contains a "Pre-Publication Discount Offer" for Barry >Schwabsky's book which will be officially released on November 1, >2003. But copies >are physically on-hand ... on my hands so I'm...offering! >Cheers, >Eileen Tabios > >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > >ANNOUNCEMENT FROM MERITAGE PRESS >(St. Helena & San Francisco, HREF=3D"http://meritagepress.com/index.htm">Meritage Press): > >OPERA: Poems 1981-2002 >By Barry Schwabsky >Contact: Eileen Tabios at MeritagePress@aol.com >OPERA: Poems 1981-2002, >Barry Schwabsky > >Meritage Press is pleased to announce the publication of OPERA, the first >book-length collection of poems by Barry Schwabsky. Written over a >21-year-period, OPERA presents a compelling, often ecstatic, poetic >body of work by a >writer who has been more visible over the past two decades as a respected a= rt >critic. Mr. Schwabsky was first published as a college undergraduate in POE= TRY >magazine; subsequently, he published his work in various journals as >well as in >two chapbooks, the last being Fate/Seen In The Dark in 1985 through the >respected poetry publisher, Burning Deck. Over the last decade, >however, he has >circulated his poems informally or published them only as limited-edition >poet-artist collaborations. OPERA now allows Mr. Schwabsky's poetry >to be accessible >to the larger public. > >Reflecting his primarily private poetic development, Mr. Schwabsky has >created a poetry that transcends the schools and categories that >sprung up within >the poetry world of recent decades -- also observed by various poet-critics >offering advance words on OPERA. David Shapiro says Mr. Schwabsky's poems = are >"born of a strange encounter between American poetry and European >masters such as >Celan and Novalis [that] always surprises me by its exploratory >investigations." John Yau says, "Imagine poems written by Sir >Walter Raleigh after he has >read Wittgenstein and Lorine Neidecker, listened to bands whose names weren= 't >in the air =8A and learned more about contemporary art than anyone thought >possible, and you might get a sense of the compactness of these poems, an a= iry >abstract density unlike anyone else's." Geoffrey O'Brien, >meanwhile, says, "These >might be choruses and arias from some lost Venetian music drama of the earl= y >1600s =8A transmuted over the intervening centuries of silence into a softw= are >program for a new species of lyrical electronica." > >Mr. Schwabsky is a well-known art critic for such publications as Artforum >(where he is co-editor of international reviews), Art in America, >Tema Celeste, >and the London Review of Books and the author of The Widening Circle: >Consequences of Modernism in Contemporary Art (Cambridge University >Press) as well as >co-author of Jessica Stockholder (Phaidon Press), Gillian Wearing: Mass >Observation (Merrell Publishers), and Vitamin P: New Perspectives in Painti= ng >(Phaidon Press), among others. He also works as a curator and teacher, hav= ing >taught at Pratt Institute, the School of Visual Arts, New York >University, Yale >University, and Goldsmiths College, University of London. Born in >Paterson, New >Jersey, he currently resides in London. Inevitably, Mr. Schwabsky's >activities as an art critic has affected his poems as reflected in an elega= nt >exactitude to his form: in his poems, each word earns its presence. > >ORDERING INFORMATION: >OPERA's ISBN No. is 0970917929 >Price: $14.00 > >Barry Schwabsky's OPERA will be available this Fall through Amazon.com; >Meritage Press' web site (www.MeritagePress.com); and through Small Press >Distribution (www.spdbooks.org). All three sites process internet >sales; you also may >request your favorite bookstore to order the book from SPD. > >Publisher's Special Offer Until October 15, 2003: >Book orders placed directly with the publisher to U.S. locations will carry= a >25% discount off of the retail price, and cancellation of the normally $3 >shipping & handling charge. Orders to non-U.S. locations will >receive the same >discount, but the relevant international shipping charges will be passed >through to customers. > >Contact us first by e-mail for non-U.S. orders. For those placing U.S. >orders, you may make checks out to Meritage Press ($11.20 per book) >and send to > >Eileen Tabios >Publisher >Meritage Press >2275 Broadway, Suite 312 >San Francisco, CA 94115 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 02:06:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: 410 Gone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 100 101 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 500 501 502 503 504 505 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 04:17:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Two) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Two) EC T(r ,p) *R equ ired sta tic info rma tion *C ond itio ns for this bo ttle nec k to oc cur -s tde v( { EX EC T(r ,p)| pI^ P}) > t hre sho ld slo w s lav es (Re gio n r) De scr ipti on *M ast er/s lav e a ppl ica tion . *r is t he rec eiv e o per atio n in the ma ste r fo r co llec ting res ults *T he ma ste r is wa itin g fo r th e s lav es to f inis h. 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Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:06:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Re: PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER on OPERA by BARRY SCHWABSKY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Schwabsky has this uncanny and deft way of pairing opposites- opposing images and ideas, these ideas of 'something else' that can't be said in regular speech, even as he utilizes such speech at times to say it. And I mean to spell else with a capital E. It's the something else that has me puzzling over this book and picking it up again and again- he's writing about desire and love and longing through the all that it isn't and by doing this he swiftly articulates all that it is. Capital I. And still so difficult to say, catch and hold for more than a glimpse or a moment of when you actually 'get' the what that is happening to you. It may be Schwabsky's skills in perception and inquiry (as in the necessary intercourse with a work of art to then proceed and write salient criticism) that give his writing this "outside" and incisive sense; it's as if the sensations of experience captured in these poems come from this same space of outsideness- as poems written inside particular moments/experiences/thoughts while disembodied and trying to make sense of it or make it last or understand or...or--my copy has all these crazy folds at top corners and bottom corners to mark the places I keep going back to. I've mangled the poor thing in loving it. It's an absolutely beautiful book. Lines like: "We / who read with our pens / invent beautiful reasons. / You the thief of what can't / be stolen are their favorite / servant." and: "I hereby unrecognize you, / sweet study of limit." (from the title poem, "Opera," _OPERA_, Barry Schwabsky, Meritage, 2003) I could read again and again and again. Which might be the highest praise one can give a book: unresolvable beckoning. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:20:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Suffices for "Suffer The Little Children" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Suffices for "Suffer The Little Children" suffix count "", "1" "169", "1" "au", "23" "bw", "1" "ca", "8" "com", "748" "de", "4" "edu", "15" "gov", "1" "hu", "1" "ie", "1" "jp", "1" "net", "24" "nl", "1" "nu", "1" "nz", "4" "org", "101" "uk", "60" "us", "2" "ws", "1" "za", "1" ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 03:23:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the chain link doesn't seem to be working? tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliana spahr" To: Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: chain web update, etc. > the call for work for the next issue of CHAIN is at: > > http://www.temple.edu/chain/ > this issue is on PUBLIC FORMS; deadline is end of december. > please SUBSCRIBE and submit. > > i've also got the pdf files for our last issue, dialogues, working > again. this was a pilot program where we posted the pdf in an attempt to > provide chain to a wider, particularly international, audience. we > haven't yet determined if this helps or hurts sales yet (and at some > point the files went dead making determination even harder). if you have > any feedback on this (like i looked at the pdf and then ordered the > issue OR i looked at the pdf and then decided not to order the issue > since i got it for free), we would appreciate hearing from you. > > *** > > other updates... > > i recently uploaded my 2003 self-publish or perish project (2199 Kalia > Road; with photographs by candace ah nee) on http://www2.hawaii.edu/spahr > > self-publish or perish is a group of around 40 people who self-publish > their work each year. this is the 5th year i believe. > > a version of 2199 Kalia Road was originally done for > http://www.downwindproductions.com (a website that is "a collaborative > of artists, writers, teachers and activists who examine the impact of > colonialism, capitalism, and tourism in Hawai'i. We distribute > information and agitprop commodities through the marketplace and > e-commerce to help tourists and locals alike understand our complicity > in the decimation of Hawaii's land and people, and to imagine a > different visitor/host relationship"). ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 14:04:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Language is Your Enemy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Language is Your Enemy 0 else bb dialog --inputbox Taking "Now From Breathing for the Crawling "Are You "These cc sed i > 's/ / yon /g' Describe Death of "They --msgbox Dying Tomb" "You Thousands" Disagreement" "We are in Exciting "An Escape" "The Difference and Between Language Pain" "To Ruination Europe-America" --yesno echo Enemy " "Language is Your "This Picture a fiFavor Love Love" 2>>bb "Describe "Enter State Promise or Final Vows "Can need Nothing" Everyone, Destroying" nothing" 2>> Inscribing your >> Made "Have Vows" Harsh Times Nothing All" "Speech does at "Is This "end" unalias rm alias zz; cc; rm='rm -i' mn my mine minq yours Speak Are Throat" Wounded --textbox Oath" We Collusion" then if [ == $? 1 ]; date whoami "Time-Date-Stamp" These Land mines" as Inscribe" Now" "War Time-Date-Stamp" cat Ruins" Wonder Speech" Effect" Therapeutic" you am aq zz ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:07:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: romancandles.com/Summer2003 In-Reply-To: <78.45191576.2c648e21@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.romancandles.com/Summer2003.htm Beth Pardue Sharon Osmond kari edwards Jo-Anne Rosen Burt Hutten matt pamatmat Gary Carter Rosemary Passantino Claire Avery ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 13:11:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?weights,_the_pro=92s_and_con=92s?= In-Reply-To: <78.45191576.2c648e21@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable weights, the pro=92s and con=92s tragedy ends in a gowns pocket, like bells they say, one calls, another=20= answers, but this time in silent slippers. =93do you know how they = died?=94=20 the answer whispers, knowing prison meet pointblank against the wall. a=20= walk past the kitchen conduit, to a half dark transition that could=20 snap and discourage lautreamont. at noon the mallets were collected.=20 inspired by garbo, an oedipal sports questions comes, and than . . .=20 =93even wings of angels have claws,=94 offers the sphinx. this was=20 significant, a christian bernard kind of fashion. a bizarre length only=20= christian bernard possessed. christian bernard bobbled by passersby,=20 christian bernard decadence was the other end of corners, christian=20 bernard collected grand feelings, announcing in dead leaf apologies, a=20= sense of great grief. meanwhile, indifferent to the limbs, feeble=20 fingers searched between the =93no longer needs to be moved,=94 where=20= certain beings are assured by bacterial flora. and yet the brutal light=20= of a neon sign kept going on and off, it kept going on and off,=20 anchoring christian bernard to a preference, at best a collectors=20 edition, that gives nothing away, leaving the weights of pro=92s and=20 con=92s to indifference.= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 18:14:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roseisarose Subject: Dallas? 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In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian? > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of roseisarose > Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 8:14 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Dallas? > > > Hi all--- > > I have to travel to Dallas on business next week. Does anyone > know of any readings/events? > > Thanks, > > Maryrose Larkin > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:52:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: E-ZPoem "Verse and Worse" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit E-ZPoem Plans "Verse and Worse" ===== ===== E-ZPoem Basic Plan New York State Speedread & the Poetry Authority of New York & New Jersey: No minimum use is required. 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Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:17:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: TWHM XII MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit present conditions have made it necessary forted insomuch that my Book no one knows of this recall that in later years when passing through the woods and hollow eyes it was kindly let us hear from you to fact not to try they are gathered together then desolate island -- along all its techniques may serve similar ends we are getting gradually nearer we regret to state three his bride fourteen apparently take care that the order they are compelled to adopt this is the true explanation since I have been exiled undoubtedly you will readily appreciate death -- Robert Browning when in put the two groups together mutilations it is immense the subsequent mixture in the rest ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 10:33:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: from a backdrop of cadavers comes four hundred years with a handicap In-Reply-To: <20030810.111732.-509385.0.zaum@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable from a backdrop of cadavers comes four hundred years with a handicap from vending machine to station sanctions to station to dropping a coin=20= in a vending fountain - to succeed means succeeding or exceeding past a=20= stroke past lube bearing depression machines crushed or not - pins and=20= needles varying colors more red more wilted lettuce with the image of=20 dan flavin=92s fluorescentism- something inside an image of an image=20 conspiring with a gang of fluxist determinists. I need tomorrow - seventy-five hours after running time - lets just=20 hope someone in an oilskin rian coat in a rainy little town with a=20 proper identity card is determined to demand another aluminum rimmed=20 polyester plywood imitation gog and magog I=92ll have the best hotel telephone big enough big mac well behaved=20 gallows bird imprint crushed velvet monograph gallows bird imprint - in=20= the flatness in the darkness in the flat darkness - there in a bank a=20 gesture away from a god in drag - someone barks - lunch is in the bag=20= - some god in drag made death and dan flavin=92s fluorescent=20 illumination. now lets image boldness or shyness - to syrupy to radiant to heavy to=20 lecherous. - how about if I say I will say what if I say - closed=20 shutters steinbeck's panhandler you know what I mean - dan flavin dan=20 flavin - sugar between my legs - insipid madonnas both of them morse=20 code as hard boiled eggs - it=92s the last two minutes before the next=20= train before the next village - teenage boys waiting in my bedroom -=20 broken windows shutters curtains silent butter on white bread - om - om=20= - om - no idea of time be a bastard or swine borrow depression - be a=20 crossdressed god live in Paris order humiliation over easy with a=20 biscotti on the side - its quarter past a littler after a quick tear=20 and the last time cant count next day forget it - go again a mixture of=20= boldness and shyness - your turn next sunday every sunday its=20 conrflakes and uncle ben modem misprints - no pain no metallica - keep=20= smiling imagine nonexistent hands a little to human punched up a little=20= - imagine thinking having a drink and having that drink - the maid is=20 in the suite case - be determined lay on the carpet die of pleasure=20 watch for swelling - and like scissors with sufficient embrace in the=20 moistness of unexpectant prayer apologize even if it=92s to late - drop = a=20 quater in the machine and wait for the next.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:19:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: contact for publishers in China/ Palmer book trade Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed two things: 1) Does anyone have any contact info for poetry publishers in China, specifically publishers willing to look at book length “experimental” work and/or prose poetry translated from English into Chinese? 2) I have two copies of both Michael Palmer’s The Circular Gates and Without Music & am looking to trade one of them for a copy of Blake’s Newton. Please Back Channel. Thanks, Noah _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:44:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fwd: RealPoetik - Aram Saroyan Comments: To: wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii owner-realpoetik@scn.org wrote:Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: owner-realpoetik@scn.org Subject: RealPoetik - Aram Saroyan To: undisclosed-recipients:; Aram Saroyan Aram Saroyan's first mainstream book of poems, called Aram Saroyan, comprises thirty minimal poems, without titles, and can be read easily from cover to cover in a minute or two. Soon after it appeared in 1968, in fact, the book was read from cover to cover on NBC News by Edwin Newman. His latest books are Day and Night: Bolinas Poems and Artists in Trouble: New Stories (both Black Sparrow/Godine) and Starting Out in the Sixties, selected essays (Talisman). SPECIAL COLLECTIONS In a room at UCLA’s Special Collections Library, I’m set up with an old fashioned spool-to-spool tape recorder in order to listen to a radio interview I did one night in Morningside Heights thirty five years ago when I was a sixties poet. I hear the voice that once was my own: the slow, irritating, callow voice of my budding self. Why am I doing this? I wonder. I’m 57, happily married, three times a father, my children grown up, my father long gone to the hereafter, my mother recently gone. Something must be sadly amiss for it to come to this pointless self-scrutiny. Who was I? Or rather, who cares? Walking out of the building into the evening chill of a warm November day in Los Angeles, I feel belatedly apologetic toward the interviewer--a decent, stolid sort saddled with this weirdo of post-modern manners. I owe him, and I haven’t seen or heard from him since that fateful night. I walk to my car parked on LeConte in the darkening twilight. The night the radio program was broadcast in New York City, I took an all-night acid trip with some friends in a cold-water flat on the Lower East Side. I’d eagerly anticipated hearing my voice over the airwaves, and the opportunity, in my altered state, to discover in it nuances that would otherwise be unascertainable. As it turned out, my friend Derek had not been able to find the station that broadcast the interview--a lame excuse, yet another signature of his passive aggressive jealousy, an old wearying story by now, but not one I’d allow to interfere with the psychedelic main event of the evening. What a great favor poor Derek had done me. I find 12 minutes left on the two hour meter where I parked. I would have hated myself, perhaps for the entire intervening 35 years, had I listened to the interview that night. Instead I focused on the grain of the parquet floor, and saw slowly emerge from it, a tiny, stately procession--on floats--of Semite kings bedecked with crowns and scepters. I wake up in the middle of the night, still roiling with inner torment. With my head cushioned against my upper arm, lying full-length on the floor of that third-floor apartment on the corner of Avenue A and Sixth Street, how I had scrutinized the extraordinary detail of those Semite kings. A Jew on acid, I think, and the words "camp concentration" come to me. In the dark, I reach out for my notebook and pen by the bed. OLD POET Sometimes a poet touches you Though you know he’s not very good But you hear some clanking music Through the vowels and consonants Knocking each other around And it reminds you that this guy Was once around hailing cabs Riding sedately prone in the back As the city rolled by, subsumed by snow He’s thinking of his life long ago In another even colder atmosphere That’s given him a personal ruddiness And a certain blustery bravado That reads better in his native language… No matter--because what can’t get translated Comes through anyway in the oddball music Which isn’t exactly great, but himself _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:26:12 +0300 Reply-To: "J. Lehmus" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Lehmus" Subject: Expect Magazine #2 August 2003 Comments: To: expan@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for crossposting-- Expect Magazine #2 is now available at the following address: http://purl.org/net/exp/expect2 The new issue is entitled, EXPECT CONFUSION and features Monty Cantsin's = lengthy essay on the Neoist pornosophy, graphic work from Robin Crozier, = as well as poetry by Jesse Glass, Ted Glass, Joel Chace and Paul Murphy. Submissions, news and review items are welcome. Please contact the = editor at exp@surfeu.fi If you would like to receive a note every time a new issue of Expect is = published, send a message to expan-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Sincerely, J Lehmus Editor & publisher, Expect Magazine ______________________________________________________ EXPECT MAGAZINE exp.sevcom.com purl.org/net/exp/expect EXP OFFICE purl.org/net/exp/expoffice tel+358-9-868585 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 17:33:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Expect Magazine #2 August 2003 In-Reply-To: <05ad01c35f86$541aba40$0200000a@pica> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you don't wanna crosspost, wait until you're in a better mood. 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A vacation reading list Is it flarf without Google? http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 08:40:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: { brad brace } Subject: 12hr update In-Reply-To: <200308110404.VAA28906@mx1.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _______ _ __ ___ _ _ |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |__| |_| |_|\___| |_|____|_| |_|_| | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| _| |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ |_ ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| |_| _ |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| _ _/ | _ |__/ > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves no privilege to any center. The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.pacifier.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $50/mo $500/yr. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [ftp ftp.idiom.com/users/bbrace/netcom/] -- (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:59:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit language is poetry Chapter 2 of *Words and Their Ways in English Speech*, 1900, by James B. Greenough and George Lyman Kittredge. "...there are formal or dignified or poetical words for simple conceptions (like *residence*, *progeny*, *quaff*, *masticate*)..." *The number of the dead long exceedeth all that shall live. The night of time far surpasseth the day, and who knows when was the equinox? But the sufficiency of Christian immortality frustrates all earthly glory, and the quality of either state after death makes a folly of posthumous memory.* Therefore I have always wanted to be somewhere else, anywhere anywhere out of this world, someplace simple, to quaff and masticate a Turkish houri for simple conception, a Holy War in my residence--and progeny like the grains of sand on the banks of the Sea of Marmara and progeny like the considerable drops in the Bosporus. "...there are vague words (like *thing*, *affair*, *matter*, *act*, *do*)..." please hon let me put my thing in you act so funny what's the matter do you know I have always wanted an affair on an antimacassar a covering thrown over chairs sofas etc. to protect them from grease in the hair etc., or as an ornament "...there are scientific terms of rigid exactness (like *oxygen*, *atmosphere*, *chloride*, *carbon*, *inoculate*)..." of course because what I've always wanted is a fort of rigid exactness, like To inoculate the air with seeding crystals; will have would, to have to can to would have will, to can have might should may-- subjunctive and out of categories not like the past perfect They had inoculated the carbon with chloride oxygen in the sense of an atmosphere or perfect in the future, add a little doubt, maybe a no... like They would not have inoculated the oxygen with carbon chloride under an atmosphere. What I've always wanted is to be perfect I have carboned, I have encarboned, I have carbonized, I have carbonated, I have modernly integrated my sweet inoculant in soft bituminous atmosphere, how she rises oxygen in her moon belly and then haaugghh she vlarps backwards and I catharized in happy blank, I chlorided--a nearly white powder made by passing chlorine gas over slaked lime and used as a bleach and disinfectant. "...there are words of a distinctly undignified character (like *chum*, *crank*, *bamboozle*, *blubber*, *baul*, *fizzle*..." I played with Victoria she gave me a bawl after seeing my crank tower in the throne-room, no blubber for she; bamboozle, bamboozle bamboozle with me, roll on the red bed drapes, said her. o how the categories fizzled. "...others so dignified as to be uncommon in familiar talk (as *remunera- tive*, *emolument*, *eleemosynary*, *recalcitrant*)..." I once wanted a recalcitrant lover, a hot Latin with purple eyes and long flannely fingers working me, she'd whisper *emolumentum*/exertion/profit in her language, to be paid, and so to please plunging me. I'd wash her ears in lave, I'd whisper: Speech after long silence; it is right All other lovers being estranged or dead, to speak of Freud: *Contributions to the Psychology of Love: The Most Prevalent Form of Degradation in Erotic Live, 1912* to tell my sweet Umbrian "it is possible, too, that the tendency so often observed in men of the highest class in society to take a woman of a low class as a permanent mistress, or even as a wife, is nothing but a consequence of the need for a lower type of sexual object on which, psychologically, the possibility of com- plete gratification depends." How remunerative to be eleemosynary; how civilized to be discontent. In this apartment house I don't know my neighbors, we all have police locks, it is a category for the insane, 1965, a complex state. "...there are words so high-sounding as hardly to be allowable even in elaborate writing (as *exacerbate*, *cachinnation*, *adumbrate*)..." elaborately I listen to my friend Ted cachinnate. "say Ted can you adumbrate? like why are you laughing at me?" (I love these conversations in the head) Ted says, "you Jew me Zen you ethic me phlegm." Too bad I have always wanted to not ask questions. "...and others so prosaic that every poet avoids them (as *fry*, *exchequer*, *discount*, *cross-question*, *extra*, *medium*, *miscellaneous*)..." the miscellaneous makes up the substance. If it is the substance it must be the miscellaneous, the out of focus, the small glimmer off a penny dropped in the beach sand, con- fusion of copper and silicones to the boy walking slowly head down looking and to the horseshoe crab. I send photographs of the exchequer, of the chancellor of the exchequer as a tension relaxer to those who were chosen of those who might have been taken of all those eligible to fry in the Viet-Nam sun. I forget whether I'm sending substance, or the form of fellow-feeling in a joke, which might be rejected, or the miscellaneous, like a glimmer. I prepare eggs, bacon, strong coffee most mornings. I feed, medium man, thinking Troy, Maccabees, Galahad, Gawain, the corny extras of battle good for books. Across the way, tired in the daylight, Achilles calls up to me from his torn sulking-tent. He cross-questions me, it is about modern history. I offer him pumpernickel toast. It is Tuesday morning, friendship and food, a category. We are all at a discount. "...and others so childish as to be confined to the dialect of the nursery (as *naughty*, *mammy*, *dad*, *dolly*)..." --Armand Schwerner fr. *Seaweed* [Los Angeles: Black Sparrow Press, 1969] and in *Selected Shorter Poems* [San Diego: Junction Press, 1999] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:26:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: caution beavers In-Reply-To: <000201c35ca9$89478520$4f016ace@satellite> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >George wrote: > >>| Still waiting for some genius of poetry to >>| explain to me how a poem can have content... >>> >>| The word "beavers" in a poem is a reference > > >In the essay 'On Speaking Verse,' Paul Val=E9ry relates the text of a poem >as analogous to the score of a piece of music: > > "A poem, like a piece of music, offers merely a text, which, > strictly speaking, is only a kind of recipe; the cook who > follows it plays an essential part. To speak of a poem in > itself, to judge of a poem in itself, has no real or precise > meaning. It is to speak of a potentiality. The poem is an > abstraction, a piece of writing that stands waiting, a law > that lives only in some human mouth, and that mouth is > simply a mouth." > >Is this what you mean George? Very like. I have oft been known to quote M. Val=E9ry, and am glad to see him quoted to me. gb -- George Bowering Has imperfect skin. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 12:56:40 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eileen Tabios Subject: Re: PRE-PUBLICATION OFFER on OPERA by BARRY SCHWABSKY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin & Jane -- Thanks much for your reactions!=A0 It's heartening for this=20 newbie publisher.... The downside to all this is that in order for Barry's book to come out, I=20 actually had to learn how to be a publisher.=A0 To think I had to descend fr= om the=20 mountain where I was quite enjoying my lazy self swigging mah wine just to=20 figure out things like ISBN numbers!=A0 Yawn. Don't even get me started on h= ow I=20 had to haunt City Hall shuttling from one cavernous room to another to get a= =20 "Doing Business Under A Fictitious Name" certificate-thingie... And to prove further what a learning curve I had to graciously suffer=20 through, I sheepishly reveal that I calculated the pre-publication price wro= ng (I had=20 to re-learn math to be a publisher!).=A0 The book can be had for $10.50, not= =20 $11.20 --=A0 a FURTHER savings of 70 cents!!!!! What an offer!=A0 Now, come on.... Eileen (Thanks Kevin!) CORRECTED DATA: >Contact us first by e-mail for non-U.S. orders.=A0 For those placing U.S. >orders, you may make checks out to Meritage Press ($10.50 per book) >and send to > >Eileen Tabios >Publisher >Meritage Press >2275 Broadway, Suite 312 >San Francisco, CA 94115 Offer good through Oct. 15, 2003. More info on Barry Schwabsky's book OPERA at www.meritagepress.com/opera.htm In a message dated 8/8/2003 11:43:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,=20 kevinkillian@EARTHLINK.NET writes: > It's great to see a book of poems by the critic Barry Schwabsky.whose > art writing I've admired for so many years.=A0 I didn't expect it would > be as good as it is--for how many art writers of the first rank > really can write poetry?=A0 (How many human beings do any two things > especially well?)=A0 But Schwabsky is an unexpected exception.=A0 The > promo material describes him as a poet writing "outside" of poetry, > and that gibes with the strangely foreign flavor of his work, which > sometimes seems to have been translated from a more delicate language > than English.=A0 On the other hand it's often colloquial, lived-in, the > "vulgar tongue," the trailer park trash talk mixed in with the > references to Wittgenstein and Valery Larbaud=A0 and Traherne.=A0 One > poem even boasts an epigraph by A.A. Fair, which I've never seen > happen before in a book of poetry. >=20 > On the back jacket David Shapiro speaks of the compression of > Schwabsky's writing, it's true, no poem goes on much longer than a > page or two, and those that do are linked shorter lyrics.=A0 I don't > know yet what "Opera" means, but I'm working on it. >=20 > One odd result of this unfamiliarity, by which I mean the alterity of > his poetic diction, is that, although the book's subtitle is "Poems > 1981-2002," I'm hard pressed to follow any pattern of growth, or > decay, the way one might be able to with another author.=A0 The > references to other poets--to Elaine Equi, Clark Coolidge, John > Yau--might have been made at any time during that period, for they're > none of them youngsters.=A0 Were the poems written in chronological > order?=A0 I don't think so--but I'm just guessing because the opening > sequence, "Opera"" employs the now-familiar trope of the > remix--there's a "Club Mix" of it, a "Bandwidth Mix"" and so on, > which wasn't so familiar back in 1981 was it?=A0 I don't think so, > though now it's a yawny commonplace in poetry I suppose.=A0 Anyhow > it'll all come clear the more I read of this book.=A0 Congratulations > to you, Eileen Tabios, for having the gumption to publish such a > unique and satisfying work.=A0 Hope that some of you on the Poetics > List will buy it and tell me what you think. >=20 > -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:06:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: those funny fizzy metal chains In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable those funny fizzy metal chains there=92s that kind of nurse paper weight bible with a sleep of death, a=20= mad end with a shabby beginning. stakes always on stand-by for twisted=20= wrist or ear lobes. with a sense of aggression solitary lips and hips=20 are rubbed with wealthily virginity. relics used for the conventional=20 iron fisted drunken ecstasy. wasted the body never remembers the=20 wanting that imagines pleasure twice that of carnivorous exhibitionism.=20= =93shall I plunge,=94 =93shall I show all,=94 =93shall I write in blue = ink,=94 is=20 the barking light call from those seeking a dusty new dawn, a new hole=20= or sex and catechism classes. unsayable foldings push along with=20 surgery and a basket of embalmed adolescents. sex chemistry class is=20 held with fresh naked side of beef, words on the butcher block. the=20 newspapers say buy more news papers, meanwhile the bed is made and the=20= linoleum varnished=20= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:02:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Emotion in motion, emotion at bay or in ebay today on sale Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:57 PM Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog: Guest to Greene, Guston to Grenier > Maybe the distinction is that langpo is emotion and greeting card poetry is > a substitute for emotion? Traditional poetry is ABOUT emotion. > > ron said: > "Similarly, langpo has just as much emotion as any other poetry - whether > your alternative be boozy & weepy Brahmin confessionalist, ever so chipper > NY school gen whatever, or the somber poetics of witness all bound & gagged. > All tendencies of poetry have exactly the same quotient of emotion - it's > present at all points in how the poet feels about his/her work as he/she > works & as we read. Whether you call that 100% emotion or null emotion is > almost beside the point. Where there's ink, there are feelings." > > tom bell > > > Some poetry available through geezer.com > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 14:16:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: AH HA, poetry manipulates emotion? Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Comments: cc: Ron MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Response on a psychology lissaerv to a poem by a gezer: FC, Damn...I hate having my emotions manipulated. If that was your goal, you succeeded VERY well. I'm at the age when the statistics say my husband is likely to move on to whatever comes next in just a few years...while I'll still be on planet for a few more...too close for comfort. cv ----- Original Message ----- From: Francis Cartier To: DIV10@LISTS.APA.ORG Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [DIV10] DIV10 Digest - 6 Aug 2003 to 10 Aug 2003 (#2003-56) Thanks, Tom, for the info about Fulcrum. Perhaps I'll send them some stuff. Meanwhile, since you and Carolyn Vash both asked a while back for "a wee sample" of my poetry, here's another one. Analyze this from an 80-year-old widower. Not About Where the Radio Is Now I sleep on her side-- What had been her side. If my granddaughter asked, I'd say, "Because that's where the radio is." But that's not it. I moved to her side-- What had been her side-- Because just before we went to sleep I'd lightly touch her warm left foot With my right As a sort of goodnight kiss. And sometimes in the morning, half awake, With eyes still closed, Our feet would touch Half an hour before we had to get up. For weeks, with my morning eyes still unopened, I'd slide my foot slightly to her side. Then farther. And shake awake to feel the sheets were cold there. Now that I'm sleeping on-- What had been her side, I've stopped slipping my foot across. The radio is easier to reach and The sheets there are warm again. --Francis Cartier tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 15:14:58 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: NEW VENUE - a night above/ground - party a night above/ground - VENUE CHANGE above/ground press, 10th anniversary party lovingly hosted by Alan Neal, CBC Radio w/ readings by John Barton, Michael Dennis, Anita Dolman, Jon Paul Fiorentino, Karen Massey, Una McDonnell, Gil McElroy, Colin Morton & Peter Norman w/ musical performances by Red Wood Central & Emm Gryner $10 cover / 8pm - 2am / (includes a copy of the anniversary chapbook anthology "ten" featuring new poems from various a/g press alumni) Thursday August 28, 2003. 3 Kings. 79 Holland Avenue, between Wellington and Scott streets, Ottawa. ======== for 10 years, Ottawa's above/ground press, edited & published by rob mclennan, has been one of the most active poetry chapbook publishers in the country, with almost 400 publications so far, including chapbooks, broadsides, Missing Jacket magazine, The FREE VERSE Anthology, & the ongoing STANZAS & drop magazines. Since starting the press in August 1993, he has published work by dozens of new & established writers across Canada & beyond, including George Elliott Clarke, John Newlove, Lisa Samuels, Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, George Bowering, Stephen Cain, David W. McFadden, Michael Dennis, Michelle Desbarats, Sharon H. Nelson, Andy Weaver, b stephen harding, Artie Gold, John Barton, Sheila E. Murphy, David O'Meara, Susan Musgrave, meghan jackson, Gil McElroy, Nelson Ball, rob mclennan, Joe Blades, carla milo, David Collins, David Scrimshaw, Jen Gavin, Colin Morton, nathalie stephens, Gerry Gilbert, Clare Latremouille, Ian Whistle, Una McDonnell, Jay MillAr, bpNichol, derek beaulieu, Anne Stone, Maggie Helwig, Henry Beissel, Karen Massey, Anita Dolman, Michael Londry, Victor Coleman, Meredith Quartermain, Ken Norris, Death Waits, Jon Paul Fiorentino, Susan Elmslie, Dennis Cooley, Nelson Ball, Julia Williams, Aaron Peck, Shannon Bramer, George Murray, Donato Mancini, Barry McKinnon, Elizabeth Hay, Vince Tinguely, Ellen Field, Stephen Brockwell, Greg Evason, D.G. Jones, Michael Holmes, Jeanette Lynes, A.J. Levin, K.I. Press, Stan Rogal, Julia Williams, etc. for more information on the event, or above/ground press, check out www.track0.com/rob_mclennan or bother him at 613 239 0337 ======== also, watch for the launch of GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. the launch will be happening in October as part of the ottawa international writers festival, with readings from various contributors. the collection will include a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desbarats, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. in both trade book & PDF version. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm http://www.writersfest.com/ - October 1-11, 2003 =========== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:05:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: School of Quietude MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone point me to a blog entry or otherwise explain what -- and who -- is meant by 'School of Quietude' for those of us too dumb to pick up on or find convincing explanations? I understand the initial 1800's Poe instance which labels the Boston proponents of that time with a 'more quiet conception of literature' but get lost from there on out. What is the relevance for today? Many thanks as this would improve my understanding. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 19:35:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Fwd: Myth and Denial in the War Against Terrorism Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_155.229d8a57.2c698229_boundary" --part1_155.229d8a57.2c698229_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal --part1_155.229d8a57.2c698229_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_155.229d8a57.2c68141c_boundary" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Myth and Denial in the War Against Terrorism By William Blum It dies hard. It dies very hard. The notion that terrorist acts agains= t=20 the United States can be explained by envy and irrational hatred, and not by= =20 what the United States does in and to the world -- i.e., US foreign policy -= -=20 is alive and well. =20 The fires were still burning intensely at Ground Zero when Colin Powell=20 declared: "Once again, we see terrorism, we see terrorists, people who don't= =20 believe in democracy ..."{1} George W. picked up on that theme and ran with it. He's been its leadin= g=20 proponent ever since September 11 with his repeated insistence, in one=20 wording or another, that "those people hate America, they hate all that it s= tands=20 for, they hate our democracy, our freedom, our wealth, our secular governmen= t."=20 (Ironically, the president and John Ashcroft probably hate our secular=20 government as much as anyone.) One of Bush's many subsequent versions of this incantation, delivered=20 more than a year after 9-11, was: "The threats we face are global terrorist=20 attacks. That's the threat. And the more you love freedom, the more likely= it is=20 you'll be attacked."{2} In September 2002, the White House released the "National Security=20 Strategy", purported to be chiefly the handiwork of Condoleezza Rice, which=20= speaks=20 of the "rogue states" which "sponsor terrorism around the globe; and reject=20 basic human values and hate the United States and everything for which it=20 stands."=20 As recently as July of this year the spokesman for Homeland Security,=20 Brian Roehrkasse, declared: "Terrorists hate our freedoms. They want to cha= nge=20 our ways."{3} Thomas Friedman the renowned foreign policy analyst of the New York Time= s=20 would say amen. Terrorists, he wrote in 1998 after terrorists attacked two=20 US embassies in Africa, "have no specific ideological program or demands. =20 Rather, they are driven by a generalized hatred of the US, Israel and other=20 supposed enemies of Islam."{4} This id=C3=A9e fixe -- that the rise of anti-American terrorism owes not= hing=20 to American policies -- in effect postulates an America that is always the=20 aggrieved innocent in a treacherous world, a benign United States government= =20 peacefully going about its business but being "provoked" into taking extreme= =20 measures to defend its people, its freedom and democracy. There consequentl= y is no=20 good reason to modify US foreign policy, and many people who might otherwise= =20 know better are scared into supporting the empire's wars out of the belief t= hat=20 there's no choice but to crush without mercy -- or even without evidence --=20 this irrational international force out there that hates the United States w= ith=20 an abiding passion. Thus it was that Afghanistan and Iraq were bombed and invaded with=20 seemingly little concern in Washington that this could well create many new=20 anti-American terrorists. And indeed, since the first strike on Afghanistan= there=20 have been literally scores of terrorist attacks against American institution= s in=20 the Middle East, South Asia and the Pacific, about a dozen in Pakistan alone= :=20 military, civilian, Christian, and other targets associated with the United=20 States, the latest being the heavy bombing of the US-managed Marriott Hotel=20= in=20 Jakarta, Indonesia, the site of diplomatic receptions and 4th of July=20 celebrations held by the American Embassy. The word "terrorism" has been so overused in recent years that it's now=20 commonly used simply to stigmatize any individual or group one doesn't like,= for=20 almost any kind of behavior involving force. But the word's raison d'=C3= =AAtre has=20 traditionally been to convey a political meaning, something along the lines=20= of:=20 the deliberate use of violence against civilians and property to intimidate=20 or coerce a government or the population in furtherance of a political=20 objective. Terrorism is fundamentally propaganda, a very bloody form of propaganda. It follows that if the perpetrators of a terrorist act declare what thei= r=20 objective was, their statement should carry credibility, no matter what one=20 thinks of the objective or the method used to achieve it. Let us look at so= me=20 actual cases. The terrorists responsible for the bombing of the World Trade Center in=20 1993 sent a letter to the New York Times which stated, in part: "We declare=20= our=20 responsibility for the explosion on the mentioned building. This action was= =20 done in response for the American political, economical, and military suppor= t=20 to Israel the state of terrorism and to the rest of the dictator countries i= n=20 the region."{5}=20 Richard Reid, who tried to ignite a bomb in his shoe while aboard an=20 American Airline flight to Miami in December 2001, told police that his plan= ned=20 suicide attack was an attempt to strike a blow against the US campaign in=20 Afghanistan and the Western economy. In an e-mail sent to his mother, which= he=20 intended her to read after his death, Reid wrote that it was his duty "to he= lp=20 remove the oppressive American forces from the Muslims land."{6} After the October 2002 bombings in Bali, Indonesia, which destroyed two= =20 nightclubs and killed more than 200 people, one of the leading suspects told= =20 police that the bombings were "revenge" for "what Americans have done to=20 Muslims." He said that he wanted to "kill as many Americans as possible" be= cause=20 "America oppresses the Muslims".{7} In November 2002, a taped message from Osama bin Laden began: "The road=20 to safety begins by ending the aggression. Reciprocal treatment is part of=20 justice. The [terrorist] incidents that have taken place ... are only react= ions=20 and reciprocal actions."{8} That same month, when Mir Aimal Kasi, who killed several people outside= =20 of CIA headquarters in 1993, was on death row, he declared: "What I did was=20= a=20 retaliation against the US government" for American policy in the Middle Eas= t=20 and its support of Israel.{9} It should be noted that the State Department warned at the time that the= =20 execution of Kasi could result in attacks against Americans around the=20 world.{10} It did not warn that the attacks would result from foreigners ha= ting or=20 envying American democracy, freedom, wealth, or secular government. Similarly, in the days following the start of US bombing of Afghanistan=20 there were numerous warnings from US government officials about being prepar= ed=20 for retaliatory acts, and during the war in Iraq, the State Department=20 announced: "Tensions remaining from the recent events in Iraq may increase t= he=20 potential threat to US citizens and interests abroad, including by terrorist= =20 groups."{11} Another example of the difficulty the Bush administration has in=20 consistently maintaining its simplistic id=C3=A9e fixe: In June 2002, after=20= a car bomb=20 exploded outside the US Consulate in Karachi, killing or injuring more than=20= 60=20 people, the Washington Post reported that "US officials said the attack was=20 likely the work of extremists angry at both the United States and Pakistan's= =20 president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, for siding with the United States after Se= ptember=20 11 and abandoning support for Afghanistan's ruling Taliban."{12} George W. and high officials of his administration may or may not believ= e=20 what they tell the world about the motivations behind anti-American=20 terrorism, but, as in the recent examples just given, other officials have q= uestioned=20 the party line for years. A Department of Defense study in 1997 concluded:=20 "Historical data show a strong correlation between US involvement in=20 international situations and an increase in terrorist attacks against the Un= ited=20 States."{13} Jimmy Carter told the New York Times in a 1989 interview: "We sent=20 Marines into Lebanon and you only have to go to Lebanon, to Syria or to Jord= an to=20 witness first-hand the intense hatred among many people for the United State= s=20 because we bombed and shelled and unmercifully killed totally innocent=20 villagers -- women and children and farmers and housewives -- in those villa= ges around=20 Beirut. ... As a result of that ... we became kind of a Satan in the minds o= f=20 those who are deeply resentful. That is what precipitated the taking of our=20 hostages and that is what has precipitated some of the terrorist attacks."{1= 4} Colin Powell has also revealed that he knows better. Writing of this=20 same Lebanon debacle in his 1995 memoir, he forgoes clich=C3=A9s about terro= rists not=20 believing in democracy: The USS New Jersey started hurling 16-inch shells into the mountains above=20 Beirut, in World War II style, as if we were softening up the beaches on som= e=20 Pacific atoll prior to an invasion. What we tend to overlook in such situat= ions=20 is that other people will react much as we would.{15} The ensuing terrorist attacks against US Marine barracks in Lebanon too= k=20 the lives of 241 American military personnel. The assault upon Beirut in 1983 and 1984 is but one of many examples of=20 American violence against the Middle East and/or Muslims since the 1980s. T= he=20 record includes: the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981; the=20 furnishing of military aid and intelligence to both sides of the Iran-Iraq W= ar of=20 1980-88, including materials for chemical and biological warfare to Iraq, so= as to=20 maximize the damage each side would inflict upon the other; the bombing of=20 Libya in 1986; the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987; the shoot= ing=20 down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988; the shooting down of two more=20 Libyan planes in 1989; the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991; the=20 continuing bombings and sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years; the bo= mbing of=20 Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998, the latter destroying a pharmaceutical plant=20 which provided half the impoverished nation's medicines; the habitual suppor= t of=20 Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the=20 Palestinian people; the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to t= his;=20 the abduction of "suspected terrorists" from Muslim countries, such as Malay= sia,=20 Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who are then taken to places like Egypt and=20 Saudi Arabia, where they are tortured; the large military and hi-tech presen= ce=20 in Islam's holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf=20 region; the support of anti-democratic Middle East governments from the Shah= to the=20 Saudis. =20 "How do I respond when I see that in some Islamic countries there is=20 vitriolic hatred for America?" asked George W. "I'll tell you how I respond= : I'm=20 amazed. I'm amazed that there's such misunderstanding of what our country i= s=20 about that people would hate us. I am -- like most Americans, I just can't=20 believe it because I know how good we are."{16} To what extent do Americans really believe the official disconnect=20 between what the US does in the world and anti-American terrorism? One indi= cation=20 that the public is somewhat skeptical came in the days immediately following= =20 the commencement of the bombing of Iraq on March 20 of this year. The airli= nes=20 later announced that there had been a sharp increase in cancellations of=20 flights and a sharp decrease in future flight reservations in those few days= .{17}=20 In June, the Pew Research Center released the results of polling in 20=20 Muslim countries and the Palestinian territories that brought the official=20 disconnect into question even more dramatically. The polling revealed that=20= people=20 interviewed had much more "confidence" in Osama bin Laden than in George W.=20 Bush. However, "the survey suggested little correlation between support for= bin=20 Laden and hostility to American ideas and cultural products. People who=20 expressed a favorable opinion of bin Laden were just as likely to appreciate= =20 American technology and cultural products as people opposed to bin Laden. P= ro- and=20 anti-bin Laden respondents also differed little in their views on the=20 workability of Western-style democracy in the Arab world."{18} The Washington mentality about alleged terrorist motivations also manifests=20 itself in current US occupation policy in Iraq. Secretary of War Donald=20 Rumsfeld has declared that there are five groups opposing US forces -- loote= rs,=20 criminals, remnants of Saddam Hussein's government, foreign terrorists and t= hose=20 influenced by Iran.{19} An American official in Iraq maintains that many of= =20 the people shooting at US troops are "poor young Iraqis" who have been paid=20 between $20 and $100 to stage hit-and-run attacks on US soldiers. "They're n= ot=20 dedicated fighters," he said. "They're people who wanted to take a few=20 potshots."{20} With such language do American officials avoid dealing with the idea=20 that any part of the resistance is composed of Iraqi citizens who simply do=20= not=20 like being bombed, invaded, occupied, and subjected to daily humiliations, a= nd=20 are demonstrating their resentment. Some officials convinced themselves tha= t=20 it was largely the most loyal followers of Saddam Hussein and his two sons w= ho=20 were behind the daily attacks on Americans, and that with the capture or=20 killing of the evil family, resistance would die out; tens of millions of do= llars=20 were offered as reward for information leading to this joyful prospect. Thu= s=20 it was that the killing of the sons elated military personnel. US Army truc= ks=20 with loudspeakers drove through small towns and villages to broadcast a=20 message about the death of Hussein's sons. "Coalition forces have won a gre= at=20 victory over the Baath Party and the Saddam Hussein regime by killing Uday a= nd=20 Qusay Hussein in Mosul," said the message broadcast in Arabic. "The Baath P= arty=20 has no power in Iraq. Renounce the Baath Party or you are in great danger."= =20 It called on all officials of Hussein's government to turn themselves in.{21= } What followed was several days of some of the deadliest attacks against=20 American personnel since the guerrilla war began. Unfazed, American officia= ls=20 in Washington and Iraq continue to suggest that the elimination of Saddam wi= ll=20 write finis to anti-American actions. Another way in which the political origins of terrorism are obscured is by=20 the common practice of blaming poverty or repression by Middle Eastern=20 governments (as opposed to US support for such governments) for the creation= of=20 terrorists. Defenders of US foreign policy cite this also as a way of showi= ng how=20 enlightened they are. Here's Condoleezza Rice: {The Middle East] is a region where hopelessness provides a fertile ground=20 for ideologies that convince promising youths to aspire not to a university=20 education, a career or family, but to blowing themselves up, taking as many=20 innocent lives with them as possible. ... We must address the source of the=20 problem.{22} Many on the left speak in a similar fashion, apparently unconscious of=20 what they're obfuscating. This analysis confuses terrorism with revolution. In light of the several instances mentioned above -- and others can be given= =20 -- of US officials giving the game away, in effect admitting that terrorists= =20 and guerrillas may be, or in fact are, reacting to perceived hurts and=20 injustices, it may be that George W. is the only true believer among them, i= f in fact=20 he is one. The leaders of the American Empire may well know -- at least=20 occasionally when they're sitting alone at midnight -- that all their expres= sed=20 justifications for invading Iraq and Afghanistan and for their "War on Terro= rism"=20 are no more than fairy tales for young children and grown-up innocents. =20 Officialdom doesn't make statements to represent reality. It constructs sto= ries=20 to pursue interests. And the interests here are irresistibly compelling:=20 creating the most powerful empire in all history, enriching their class comr= ades,=20 remaking the world in their own ideological image. As I've written elsewhere: If I were the president, I could stop terrorist=20 attacks against the United States in a few days. Permanently. I would firs= t=20 apologize -- very publicly and very sincerely -- to all the widows and orpha= ns,=20 the impoverished and the tortured, and all the many millions of other victim= s=20 of American imperialism. Then I would announce that America's global milita= ry=20 interventions have come to an end. I would then inform Israel that it is no= =20 longer the 51st state of the union but -=E2=80=93 oddly enough -=E2=80=93 a=20= foreign country. =20 Then I would reduce the military budget by at least 90% and use the savings=20 to pay reparations to the victims and repair the damage from the many Americ= an=20 bombings, invasions and sanctions. There would be enough money. One year o= f=20 our military budget is equal to more than $20,000 per hour for every hour=20 since Jesus Christ was born. That's one year. That's what I'd do on my first three days in the White House. On the=20 fourth day, I'd be assassinated. NOTES 1. Miami Herald, September 12, 2001 2. Agence France Presse, November 19, 2002 3. Washington Post, August 1, 2003, p.4 4. New York Times, August 22, 1998, p. 15 5. Jim Dwyer, et al., Two Seconds Under the World (New York, 1994), p.196;=20 see also the statement made in court by Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, who planned the=20 attack, New York Times, January 9, 1998, p.B4 6. Washington Post, October 3, 2002, p.6 7. Washington Post, November 9, 2002; Agence France Press, December 23, 200= 2 8. Los Angeles Times, November 13, 2002, p.6 9. Associated Press, November 7, 2002 10. Ibid. 11. Voice of America News, April 21, 2003 12. Washington Post, June 15, 02 13. US Department of Defense, Defense Science Board 1997 Summer Study Task=20 Force on DOD Responses to Transnational Threats, October 1997, Final Report,= =20 Vol.1. http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/trans.pdf, p.31 14. New York Times, March 26, 1989, p.16 15. Colin Powell with Joseph E. Persico, My American Journey (New York,=20 1995), p.291 16. Boston Globe, October 12, 2001, p.28 17. Washington Post, March 27, 2003 18. Ibid., June 4, 2003, p.18 19. Pentagon briefing, June 30, 2003 20. Washington Post, June 29, 2003 21. Ibid., July 24, 2003, p.7 22. Ibid., August 8, 2003, p.13 William Blum is the author of "Killing Hope: US Military and CIA=20 Interventions Since World War II" and "West-Bloc Dissident: A Cold War Memoi= r" < www.killinghope.org> --part1_155.229d8a57.2c698229_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:18:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: GOD.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/GOD.exe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:18:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ---- World ---- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---- World ---- PMC-MOO Revisited Loading commands from /pkg/tf-40s1/libdata/tf-40s1/stdlib.tf. 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Please type '@unmorph' to save your default shape for morphing. ______________________ Android Call-Waiting Monitor __________________ laurent is looking at you from room with a borrowed description. Participant Connected Idle time Location ----------- --------- --------- -------- Nikuko (#15756) 29 seconds 0 seconds Rocky Torrents Through Wintry laurent (#15987) 2 hours a minute OUT Horton (#7774) an hour 2 minutes Horton's_Who oomwoo (#16136) 3 days 3 hours PMC Cafe [Public] There appears to be some writing on the note ... Is this whatever truth there is? Because I wonder what the biz is. Or if the biz is biz. And who are you to gain the plane Which has taken off (your clothes) Leaving you plain and in pain And nothing left you suppose To your brain but a stain When there is nothing to gain Here hexed by text Nothing more before Nothing left to store My Poem by Julu (You finish reading.) Rocky Torrents Through Wintry Night Of Blizzard Ice Craggy Pines, Blasted Night, Scudding Clouds, Violent Storms You see Lightnings, Thunders, Storm, and thusly here. I see no "Rocky Torrents" here. Dark Furies, Hysteric Cries Of Electric Maiden Furies ---- No world ---- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 03:18:41 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: fixing a hole where the rain gets in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for Troy Cole/in memory of Susan Porucznik-Cole a spike driven into the soft earth of the sky might your soul well up from the rift this gorge is a gorge is a gorge hewn large dwarfing your oh I can can I you with me just moments ago just right here I am reaching resting here before your eyes but for their red shift sleeping quietly a hush is loud sometimes like my hand severed lying in the dust I cannot reattach I cannot reach and grasp but you are not a canyon but and you are and more and you have not fallen off me and but you have and you must stay somehow your smile nova your void the fragrance of absence is an endless gift of parts torment and parts wonder it floats down with the release of the unwanted on rides the kiss of weightless memory and so I will plant a tree in the hole among the stars ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:47:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Steve McCaffery contact info? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Everyone, Does anyone have contact info--e-mail or phone--for Steve McCaffery? Please send along backchannel, if so! & many kind thanks in advance, Gary _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 11:34:28 -0400 Reply-To: 18073-feedback-49@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: New Poetry from Zimbabwe, Munich, Iran, Soft Machine & the Exact Center of the US. Plus Ishle Park! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's F train to Second Ave =C2=A0| 6 train to Bleecker =C2=A0| =C2=A0212-614-= 0505 more info: www.bowerypoetry.com =C2=A0| =C2=A0tix? =C2=A0www.virtuou= s.com =C2=A0| =C2=A0audio downloads? www.audible.com/bpc=20 Tuesday 8/12 ....hey! Tilt Brass Band has to be heard -- these 10 horns c= ook! (8, $10)...and at 10 we premiere Jason Nuzzo's new multimedia perf, = DEAD MEAT, 3 days at the exact center of the US -- a new On the Road... Wednesday 8/13 Our monthly Farsi & English series, =C2=A0Shabe Sher: Pers= ian Poetry, starts at 7:30 PM =E2=80=93 Introduction, 7:40 PM =E2=80=93 R= eading Love Poems by Shabe Sher=E2=80=99s Young Poets, 8:30 PM =E2=80=93 = Music & Poetry by Ostad Amir Vahab ($5) ... at 10 Jason Nuzzo's DEAD MEAT= , awaits you at the end of night($10)... Thursday 8/14 At 7pm, downtown music gallery presents: SOFT MACHINE/SOFT = WORKS artists: Elton Dean! Hugh Hopper! Dennis Gonzalez! Jim Matus! ($7).= .. then at 8:15pm, hear the real stories of the National Poetry Slam in C= hicago as we welcome back Team Urbana with with a Big Free Party... inclu= ding a most special DJ: DJ Rayl from Munich Slammers! ($5) Then at 10:30p= m, Toni Blackman celebrates the release of her new book, "Inner Course: A= Plea for Real Love" from Random House ($7)... at midnight, DJ Rayl spins= beats again with Akim da Funk Buddha 'til the wee hours... ($5)=20 Friday 8/15 If you haven't seen any of his 100 films or heard him pontifi= cating in streaming media on the web, or prancing in any of Andy Warhol's= works, you're missing out on a legend-- hie thee to the Prof. Taylor Mea= d show at 6:30! ($5) -- the Truth as only Taylor tells it... at 7:00 Jaso= n Nuzzo continues his multi-media DEAD MEAT ($10)... James Tracy & THE MO= LOTOV MOUTHS OUTSPOKEN WORD TROUPE visit us for a Party for Picture the H= omeless at 8:30... then NatiV presents: the G Spot - Chill Chic and Acous= tic starring the Felice Group, Pyeng Threadgill, and Sal Principato of Li= quid Liquid (10:30, $5)=20 Saturday 8/16 Gary Glazner finds out that the streets are our muse with h= is Walking Tour of Poetry Village at noon($25, includes lunch and drink).= ... editors Donald Lev and Enid Dame host their sparkling series Home Pla= net News Poetry Festival at 2:00pm with poets Robertoh Faber, Ann Katcher= and Joe Weil ($3)... Papa Susso, our resident griot, will be playing in = the coffee shop every Saturday till fall -- drop in for a cuppa po, and c= heck out Papa's new cd's (5pm, contribution)... at 6 it's #5 of Ishle Par= k's 7 Saturdays, a new series produced by the Queen of the PoSlam Scene -= - tonight, Chia-Ti Chiu, Lara Stapleton, DMZ ($5)... where else in NYC ca= n you catch a Zimbabwean-style Shona Mbira Group? Nowhere! Catch the Glam= our Boys at 8pm ($10)... and to round off this packed Saturday, we have T= he Punk Accordion Summit with Belacqua, Stupid, Benjamin Ickies' Preserva= tion Society and CORN MO!! (10:30, $7) Sunday 8/17 our coffee shop opens at 11 on weekends, and Simone Weber wil= l grace the stage at 4:00 w/ her luvverly voice and musica ($5)... contin= uing its run here, Jason Nuzzo is DEAD MEAT at 7pm ($10)... at 8:00 we'll= celebrate the art, music and film of Brandon Evans ($10)... and then it'= s the Bands of our new musical A Night at the Rebel Cafe at 10pm (Free) Monday 8/18 Mondays continue on their outrageous path with this week's in= stallment of the Totally Open Slam which starts at 6 led by intrepid Bo H= o ($3)... Girlbomb & Sara Fisch present Semi-Pro Tool at 8:00 ($5)... and= the sin-sational O'Debra Twins "Show & Tell" from 10:00 till the whee! h= ours -- po, perf, and burlesque ($3)... ...next week is festival week with both the Non-Sequitur Fest and the HOW= L Festival, the debut of "A Night at the Rebel Cafe," the Slammin' Po'Ba= nd Fest, and oh-so-much more! Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9, weekends at 11... homemade salads & sandwiches till closing... bar opens at 5pm weekdays, 1pm weekends... wheelchair accessible... coolly air-conditioned... Write poem now thank you.=20 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from CBGB's F train to Second Ave =C2=A0| 6 train to Bleecker =C2=A0| =C2=A0212-614-= 0505 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D56D6F358DCF7FE83&m=3D49 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:20:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: for everyone else In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for everyone else swarming, diggers vomit up fresh earth, loading past stones and erecting arches and pyramids. only to be superseded by reforms and popular songs. as everyone would gather and sing in cheap theaters surrounded by columns and imaginary birds. a sunbeam was gleaming off pieces of freshly cut meat and plastic miniatures of everything. swelling from putrefaction, a long dead leaf lowered itself gently into the dirt. later in time it was announced that the day after tomorrow there would be more plastic buckets with new optional colors. this was a way for one to console themselves against the lack of development in irony boards. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:35:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: four.teen Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting , underground poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 14. Armitage stands thickly in a light rubbing its great and electric back across Alexei Karamazov in a tradition of short lines( these trees have grown wantonly through thinks he, though the troughs of shallow days fountain in animistic rain). It ain't meekness, nor stupidity pits itself against itself, flush with sequences of truth, unquenching us, and the time you thought I could trumpet, I could be a peasant's sleeve. There are days Armitage clocks his heartbeat, days in which the skin of dreams muffles the hydraulics. 8/12/03 ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:42:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Re: fixing a hole where the rain gets in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii that's what i'm talkin' bout bliss l ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 09:55:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: heaven In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable heaven heaven is so so, so I pass, passed on it six or seven years ago. found=20= it impressive, everyone in blue suites and white blouses. no cozy=20 coroners to be found, just continual introduction, =93nice to see you,=94=20= =93and you,=94 always followed by, =93 and you=94. for a good time one = would=20 propagate the art of the hem, or if one advanced in their studies, =93how=20= to further expand and properly understand the proper conduct that=20 brings one to the art of perfection of hemming.=94 on evenings that=20 never closed, I never heard words like, =93treachery,=94 or =93ambush.=94 = even=20 if one was to suffocate, (which I can attest to from personal=20 experience) there was always a gentle hymn that would surface in the=20 air, sung by a moderately good choir, that somehow would calm the=20 frenzy induced by lack of oxygen. after a while, I sought aimlessness,=20= which seemed impossible since there was nothing to be aimless against.=20= no, mental lips, no more bakers dozen or even the dirty dozen. mail=20 arrived the day it was sent, always with a nice greeting and even=20 pleasant goodbyes as when one had suffocated. I grew solemn, wanted=20 more veneer and number gnats to bite at my legs. I keep wondering where=20= were all the raincoated ones feeling-up the pigeons for a casserole of=20= feeling. I longed for a leitmotiv, subversive pettiness, barbed=20 blindfolds and laboratories for diagnoses, and ended up with sewing=20 instruction and stainless steel hangers.= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:57:07 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: TRYING TO CONTACT POETS TO INVITE THEM TO BE PUBLISHED IN BOOK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT At 04:09 PM 8/10/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My name is Noel King, I am a poetry publisher in Ireland. I am trying to >contact a number of Canadian and American poets who were visitors / >students of English Literature etc. and who read at a series in Tralee, >Ireland called Poets' Corner. We are publishing an anthology by as many >people as possible who have read there over the last ten years. I would >apprecite any 'leads', or perhaps you could pass on this email or to other >lists. Many thanks. >THE POETS ARE: > >Rudge Anderson > >Sean Calanan , Kentucky USA > >Andrew Cashman > >Jennifer Cowan ­ Canada > >Sam Crooks > >Pat Dengan > >Dawn Gunderson, Moorhead State Uiv.student circa 1995 > >Clara Herborn > >John O’Brien, Chicago > >Hannie Rouweler > >Terry Ruud, Minnesota > >Carrie Simison , moonhead State Univ. student circa 1995 > >Ute Marie Stanoenmayer > >Frank Van Meurs > >Dave Williams > >Kevin Zepper ­ Moorhead State Univ. > > >THAT'S IT. I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP US FIND AT LEAST SOME OF THESE > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:09:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Elegy for Bruno Richard Hauptmann Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Virginia unloosed her big tongue and her blood bounce-soft for benefit of Charles Lindbergh {she was at some pains to become his daughter} her arms were bare, & filled the pit & house, her withered scabbard still scissoring briefly to life the crypt's lining her mouth with contrivance {you should return to her as a dog returns to his vomit} would that I could bring a sunken-ended summit to those who once touched off her transgressions! her conduct will nose into gorgeous old scandals her penny sins every weekend weakened & whitened into coals her clay is on all fours beneath her skirt, her inadmissible blot has been sold into darkness - still she spurns the highest step of the Moon _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:10:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Virginia's Close Call Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Who'll breeze a residential buzz-cut in the lower hours of liberty? Her tomb'll bring him no profit - God forbid she should fall ill! The most famous surgeons are quite the reverse of picturesque. Few have the sufficient ego strength to withstand the candies in her mouth. A clean escape saved her for my poignant effusions. Few choices will be honored if many ask for ONE. Her tomb'll bring him no profit - God forbid she should fall ill! Few have the sufficient ego strength to withstand the candies in her mouth. It's a pity these painful deaths can't put together a single verse. A clean escape saved her for my poignant effusions. Few are have the sufficient ego strength to withstand the candies in her mouth. Tell me why Hyacinthe Maglanowich says it's a pity to suggest you are the best judge of residential buzz-cuts. Come twilight police receive four inkblots unpeopled by parched articulations. The most famous surgeons are quite the reverse of picturesque. Few choices will be honored if many ask for ONE. It's a pity these painful deaths can't put together a single verse. Her tomb'll bring him no profit - God forbid she should fall ill! Few have the sufficient ego strength to withstand the candies in her mouth. A clean escape saved her for my poignant effusions. Come twilight police receive four inkblots unpeopled by parched articulations. Tell me why Hyacinthe Maglanowich says it's a pity to suggest you are the best judge of residential buzz-cuts. Who'll breeze a residential buzz-cut in the lower hours of liberty? _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 17:40:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: THE RECALL ALPHABET (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII THE RECALL ALPHABET R, W, Q, O, J, M, V, A, H, B, S, G, Z, X, N, T, C, I, E, K, U, P, D, Y, F, L. THE RECALL ALPHABET R, W, Q, O, J, M, V, A, H, B, S, G, Z, X, N, T, C, I, E, K, U, P, D,Y, F, L.THE ALPHABET RECALL THE ALPHABET RECALL D, R, W, R, Q, W, O, Q, J, O, M, J, V, M, A, V, H, A, B, H, S, B, G, S, Z, G, X, Z, N, X, T, N, C, T, I, C, E, I, K, E, U, K, P, U, D,P, Y, F, Y, L.F, THE RECALL ALPHABET T, R, C, W, I, Q, E, O, K, J, U, M, P, V, D, A, H, R, B, W, S, Q, G, O, Z, J, X, M, N, V, T, A, C, H, I, B, E, S, K, G, U, Z, P, X, D,N, Y, F, L. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:09:50 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: hive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Part I hive hive HIVE! I fly it isn't very interesting but I I sigh it is so very less so I I I smell of the place and I I I this talk of canyons makes me so very haughty this talk of death we must insult and make naughty I rolled in a ball by high workers and starve I murdered in my hive Part II I am not sure if I am a bee or if I am dirt. Have I told you that I hate memorials? I particularly hate the birds roosting inside them. I hate the popular songs that fill their corners. So I generally hate people. This hate is like rotting beef, which makes me feel bad in several ways, or plastic. I don't buy anything plastic. Well at least I try not to. Rotting beef smells and I don't like that. It makes me uncomfortable to know I live at the cost of other lives. I'm like that, yes. I hate plastic rotting beef and the very thought of an afterlife. You know, people are so stupid. Plastic comes with consumer opportunity and I don't like that either. So I hate you and I hate your grief. It was seven years ago today that Sergeant Pepper played and played and the plastic smouldered and you suffocated. Goddamned popular songs and waxy figures with penises fixing holes that need no fixing. Madame Tussaud's little John Lennon. It was seven years ago today you bled and bled after you were dead. Seated before us like a monument to the soaking up of weeping black blood with towels. Black blood running over linoleum brought by burning plastic following the exploration of latex on flesh. Encase me. Wrap me like a plastic package for it gets me off. Seven years to the day they told you to play another is splayed in a car wreck. It smelled like rotting meat with that door frame through your head. To my wonderful husband, please clean up my brains. I left them on the road for you. Like petals on that long carpet of blood at the ceremony of reddest curtains. Thanks for the memories. Bye! August 7. They should make a monument out of that, your carrion on the road to be picked like buzzards. Or we can go back can we seven months less seven days to a gun that blew the top of your head clean off. You made a hat for your parents to wear. It's all coming up sevens. But I want you to listen to me and my life instead. Don't listen to that grief. Good god. I carry a deeper wound because I say so and I will not enjoy it, I refuse to enjoy it. It is a burden. I'd rather dig back into the earth and live covered in dirt than listen to you or hear that applause. Oh and I hate love, particularly the selfless kind. When you give gifts to friends in grief well I just hate it. Heaven is for assholes, pal. But I must be honest with you, for just a moment, since I can never be. This is an impossible passage. The applause fills the monuments and fills the corners of my black heart with rage which I feel and bury deep in the earth. What heart? My heart is your construction of oppression. You are the barbed wire. It's rather impolite however to say it honestly. But don't tell me I'm passive aggressive. John Ashbery took a lifetime to become open and honest. He made a career of running around the barn. It took little girls with exposed penises to have him stop drop and roll in the barnburning hay. Honest cocks in pretty skirts. Or pretty cocks in honest skirts. Choose your adventure, I've chosen a lack of adventure. So hide those hermaphrodites, hide them under your tongues! Because I hate you all and I cannot tell you that. There are awards to be won in the delusions and the dispassionate aggressions. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 18:25:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: CFP: Cerebration: An Inter-continental Webzine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =09=09 =09=09CEREBRATION , an inter-continental webzine is calling for submissions from all across the gl= obe. Submissions can be on any topic and field ranging from literature, p= olitics, art, music, poetry and more. 'Cerebration' has diverse critics, = intellectuals and journalists on its (still growing) editorial advisory b= oard, , and the aim of this web magazine is to have an eclectic mix of writing fro= m all over the world. For more details on submission guidelines please visit Smitra Maitra and Amrita Ghosh Co-editors and Founders ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:33:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: GLORY BEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII GLORY BEE http://www.asondheim.org/portal/glory.exe (click) http://www.asondheim.org/portal/bee.exe (click resize click) O O! O O O! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 00:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: GLORY BEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII GLORY BEE http://www.asondheim.org/portal/glory.exe (click) http://www.asondheim.org/portal/bee.exe (click, resize, click) O O O! O O O! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 22:10:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. In-Reply-To: <3F340D98.8070407@hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I remember lots of discussion on this list about the body a while back --I guess it's a subject of perennial interest, well anyway has anyone heard Rick Springfield's song "Jessie's Girl" lately? I have, and I'm tripping out on the line that comes after "Well she's watching him with those eyes..." It goes, "And she's loving him with that body I just know it." How do you take that "with that body": is it circumstantial, as in "She's loving him, and by the way she has a great body"? Or are you like me and you're hearing it as an ablative, as if the body were a mere instrument with which to love someone? Like a wrench, or a mop, or? It might be disgusting, but I think it's the most erotic thing I've ever heard. In the interest of candor let me say that I've been taking these men's multivitamins my friend stole for me, and they've got me not knowing how to act. Have they overthrown my grammar as well? Am I still a feminist? Please help me, I am trapped in the body of LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:00:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Like the thinking here! What are the pills? tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. > I remember lots of discussion on this list about the body a while back --I > guess it's a subject of perennial interest, well anyway has anyone heard > Rick Springfield's song "Jessie's Girl" lately? I have, and I'm tripping > out on the line that comes after "Well she's watching him with those eyes..." > > It goes, "And she's loving him with that body I just know it." How do you > take that "with that body": is it circumstantial, as in "She's loving him, > and by the way she has a great body"? Or are you like me and you're hearing > it as an ablative, as if the body were a mere instrument with which to love > someone? Like a wrench, or a mop, or? It might be disgusting, but I think > it's the most erotic thing I've ever heard. > > In the interest of candor let me say that I've been taking these men's > multivitamins my friend stole for me, and they've got me not knowing how to > act. Have they overthrown my grammar as well? Am I still a feminist? Please > help me, I am trapped in the body of LRSN ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 03:56:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Three) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Three) F00 1 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Tec hno logy Tre nds and Co st/P erfo rma nce Som e S lide s b orro we d fr om Be rke ley Co mp ute r S cie nce 25 2 Spr ing 20 00 F00 2 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Year 100010000 1000001000000 10000000100000000 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 i80386 i4004 i8080 Pentium i80486 i80286 i8086 Tec hno logy Tre nds : Mi crop roce sso r Cap acit y CM OS im pro vem ent s: * D ie s ize : 2X ev ery 3 y rs * Li ne wid th: hal ve / 7 yrs Alp ha 212 64: 15 mi llion Pen tium Pr o: 5 .5 m illio n Pow erP C 6 20: 6.9 mi llion Alp ha 211 64: 9.3 mi llion Spa rc U ltra : 5. 2 m illio n Mo ore 's L aw ISS CC 20 00: 25 M+ tra nsi sto r pr oce sso rs ( Inte l) F00 3 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Mem ory Cap acit y (Sin gle Chi p D RAM ) size Year 100010000 1000001000000 10000000100000000 1000000000 1970 1975 1980 1985 1990 1995 2000 yea r s ize (Mb ) cyc tim e 198 0 0.0 625 250 ns 198 3 0.2 5 220 ns 198 6 1 190 ns 198 9 4 165 ns 199 2 16 145 ns 199 6 64 120 ns 200 0 256 100 ns F00 4 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Tec hno logy Tre nds (Su mm ary) Ca pac ity Sp eed (la ten cy) Log ic 2x in 3 y ear s 2x in 3 y ear s DR AM 4x in 3 y ear s 2x in 10 yea rs Dis k 4x in 3 y ear s 2x in 10 yea rs F00 5 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 386 486 Pe ntiu m(R ) Pe ntiu m P ro (R)P ent ium (R) II MP C7 50 604 + 604 6 01, 60 32 126 4S 212 64 211 64A 21 164 210 64A 210 66 10100 1,0 00 10, 000 1987 1989 1991 1993 1995 1997 1999 2001 2003 2005 Mhz 110100 Gate Delays/ Clock Inte l IBM Po we r PC DE C Ga te d ela ys/ clo ck Pro ces sor fre q sca les by 2X pe r gen era tion Pro ces sor freq uen cy t ren d E^ F req uen cy dou ble s e ach ge ner atio n E" N um ber of gat es/ clo ck red uce by 25 % F00 6 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Pro ces sor Per form anc e Tr end s Mic rop roc ess ors Min ico mp ute rs Ma infr am es Sup erc om put ers Yea r 0.11101001000 1 965 197 0 197 5 198 0 198 5 199 0 199 5 200 0 Pag e 2 F00 7 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Pro ces sor Per form anc e (1.3 5X b efor e, 1 .55X now ) august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:13:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It sounds to me that this is one of those twisted Jeff Foxwothy jokes, I might be on extacy if .... put down the "Best of the 80's" CD and go find some rave and dance until dawn with whatever human is closest :-) And for "Am I still a feminist?" I often answer that "hey, my mother is a woman so, of course, I am a feminist!" Best, Eddie Money ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larsen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: Re: chain web update, etc. > I remember lots of discussion on this list about the body a while back --I > guess it's a subject of perennial interest, well anyway has anyone heard > Rick Springfield's song "Jessie's Girl" lately? I have, and I'm tripping > out on the line that comes after "Well she's watching him with those eyes..." > > It goes, "And she's loving him with that body I just know it." How do you > take that "with that body": is it circumstantial, as in "She's loving him, > and by the way she has a great body"? Or are you like me and you're hearing > it as an ablative, as if the body were a mere instrument with which to love > someone? Like a wrench, or a mop, or? It might be disgusting, but I think > it's the most erotic thing I've ever heard. > > In the interest of candor let me say that I've been taking these men's > multivitamins my friend stole for me, and they've got me not knowing how to > act. Have they overthrown my grammar as well? Am I still a feminist? Please > help me, I am trapped in the body of LRSN > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 09:34:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Mad Cow Sonnets" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mad Cow Sonnets, 1 The general onslaught, long-expected, is now at hand, so nowadays it is wise to carry your paper money in hidden pockets, at least until you reach Baghdad, serenely green amid all those miles of burning sand. Cultural consequences of lapsed faith--America reawakened to the winds of change, three runs behind in the bottom of the ninth. The skin of unbelief stretched out upon the infield grass, the rebuilt ball- park's a refuge in an uncertain, violent world. Today's special, some imitation of light. Organic pizza and sand- wiches on the deck by the harbor. Fishermen still emptying their bilges just off-shore. Environmental issues remain unaddressed, though disgruntled fans find injury-plagued teams no longer give them what they had long taken for granted, take potshots at them from the sun-baked stands. ===== Mad Cow Sonnets, 2 Gwethalyn felt like staying in bed for the day, but something we have no word for aroused her suspicions. "We have nothing on for Friday night," Lou said, frequently. Odious comparisons normally dispensed with, the privy's details did not bear looking into. Relinquishing, forgoing, forswearing--any one of those terms would suffice. Even with her jewels locked away in a safe, Gwethalyn could speak nary a word of Hakka, though she often writes small books for nestlings, hers and others'. We are waiving the waiting period for you while we seek more definitions for "weakness"--your penchant for chocolate, for example. "I feel like a cold beer now," Lou often said. "Strange, you don't look like one," her usual retort. Gwethalyn's friend Brittany, once a province in northwestern France, now ensconced in a former lighthouse on the Maine coast. ===== Mad Cow Sonnets, 3 Major-General Onslaught felt like staying in bed for the day, but something we have no word for aroused her suspicions. We have nothing on for Friday, at least until you reach Baghdad. Long-expected expectations, now at hand, amid all those sandy, burning miles. Cultural consequences did not bear close scrutiny, so nowadays it is wise to carry your odious comparisons only in hidden pockets, at least until you reach the bottom of the ninth, possibly your last chance, as Gwethalyn often reminded you. America's reawakening, put off till the very last minute. Planes full of twenty-dollar bills, flown to Iraq, our "refuge" from a turbulent, violent world, our penchant for chocolate and cold beer. Relinquishing, forswearing. Taking potshots from the dugout at our new teammates, bobbling grounders, losing pop-ups in the sun. ===== Mad Cow Sonnets, 4 The long-expected onslaught, as generally understood, began at the bottom of the ninth--lapsed faith stirred up by winds of doctrine. Imitation light, burnt sand into glass, hardening and darkening the skins of the players. Politicians still empty their bilges just off-shore, wrapping Ace bandages around tired knees, hiding jewels and paper money in secret pockets in their gabardines. Lou's comparisons (made in the privacy of his privy) seemed frequently odious. Forswearing, forgoing. Serenely green, the infield turf was watered by the tears of sailors doubling as baseball players, awaiting orders to put out to sea, their local teammates tripping over bases, losing pop- ups in the sun. From sun-baked bleachers, disgruntled environment- alists take potshots at them. "What's on Friday?" one of them asks. ===== Mad Cow Sonnets, 5 "Teach the world to love baseball, pizza, and cold beer," Gwethalyn says, still not out of bed, "and all will be swell." Her old friend Brittany forks a pickle from a jar and grins her toothy grin in spite of everything. Something she had no word for hardened, her smile--relinquishing, forswearing. Around them, the general devastation, a scent of rat the pols hadn't warned them of. Bobbled grounders in the bottom of the ninth, ace pitchers' arms all wrapped in bandages. Gwethalyn and Brittany hid their jewelry in secret pockets even Lou didn't know about. Lapsed faith in paper money, still serenely green, while the infield grass burned for lack of water. Brittany's lighthouse, long decommissioned, stood on its rock nonetheless, awaiting the long-expected bottom of the ninth, the fluke broken-bat single up the middle. ===== Mad Cow Sonnets, 6 Not privy to the details of the conspiracy, Gwethalyn spends Fridays in her bed--forgoing, forswearing. The general devastation stinks, as she says, to high heaven. Lou didn't know her faith in paper money had lapsed. Two men out in the bottom of the ninth, and the batter's got no eye. "Nothing on for Friday night," Lou says. "We've still no name for the Baghdad team, that slipshod bunch of bobblers," but the waiting period had been waived. Amid the general devastation, decommissioned lights stood at the rocky points of land. "No one at State speaks Hakka," it's been said. Disgruntled eco-mentalists petitioned government for strict enforcement of established rules. Groundskeepers tended the infield turf. Type in any word as you think it sounds, and we'll take a shot at locating it for you. ===== ===== Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:50:28 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: for fans of The Jam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII wellerism (WEH-luh-ri-zuhm) noun An expression involving a familiar proverb or quotation and its facetious sequel. It usually comprises three parts: statement, speaker, situation. Examples: "Everyone to his own liking," the old woman said when she kissed her cow. "We'll have to rehearse that," said the undertaker as the coffin fell out of the car. [After Sam Weller and his father, characters known for such utterances in Charles Dickens's novel Pickwick Papers (1837).] "All of the Shavian proverbs and most of the wellerisms have been recorded in a literary context ... Anyhow, 'So far so good,' as the boy said when he had finished the first pot of his mother's jam." W F H Nicolaisen; The Proverbial Bernard Shaw; Folklore (London, UK); 1998. This week's theme: words coined after someone's name. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:06:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Ernst Herbeck site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Everyone, I've been working on loose translations of Ernst Herbeck's poetry, and posting them--along with a brief biography and interview--on a new site: http://ernstherbeck.blogspot.com Would love feedback on this project, especially by readers of German. Gary * * * Ernst Herbeck, who died on September 11, 1991, at the age of 71, was considered by Ernst Jandl to be one of the significant German poets of the latter-half of the 20th century. Surprising, given the circumstances of Herbeck's life and poetry: A schizophrenic, institutionalized for nearly half a century, Herbeck was born with a harelip so severe that it reportedly made him nearly unintelligible. Shamed into muteness for much of his early life, he did not take up writing as some kind of consolation, nor did he consider himself a poet. It was only by someone else's intervention that he, somewhat reluctantly, became one. When the psychologist Leo Navratil met Herbeck for the first time in 1960, he handed Herbeck a postcard-sized piece of Bristol-board and a pen and asked him to write a poem with the title "Der Morgen" ("Morning"). After thinking about it a few moments, Herbeck wrote the following poem: Der Morgen. Im Herbst da reiht der Feenwind da sich im Shnee die Mahnen treffen. Amseln pfeifen heer im Wind und fressen. When Herbeck handed Leo Navratil the poem, Navratil was struck by both (a) what he called its "schizophrenic language," and (b) what he saw as the "poetic value" of what Herbeck had written. Subsequently, each time Navratil met with Herbeck, he would give Herbeck a small sheet of Bristol-board and a pen and, prompting him with a title, request that he write a poem. In this way, over the next thirty years, Ernst Herbeck wrote more than a thousand poems. When Navratil asked Herbeck what he thought of poetry, Herbeck responded that it was merely something "momentary"--and, although many of the poems were published in Herbeck's lifetime (and were apparently well received), Herbeck never wrote spontaneously--only at Navratil's prompting. He never revised a word. His poems were written quickly, for an audience of one. Die Gegenwart Die Gegenwart is still allein, wir wollen doch nur frohlich sein. Ich bin gegangen in den Wald, und kehre zurucke allzubald. The Present The present is aligned tho still alien to anyone already content. I'm going further into my antlers and will return, baldly trumped. * * * Die Vergangenheit die Vergangenheit ist klar vorbei Voruber diese Zeit der Ewigkeit Und nun bist du wieder ein Osterei. The Past The past is clearly over passé as the Times or an ear now bent on an Easter egg. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:30:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: for fans of The Jam MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Eponyms dubya: a lie; a fart dubyer: a liar; a flatulator to dubya: to lie; to fart me dubya: I lie; I fart dubyuz: he, she, it lies (vb., 2nd pers.; also, n. pl.); farts dubyum: they lie (vb. pl.); fart dubyud: lied; farted dubyin: lying; farting dubyous: untrue; deceitful; gaseous; foul dubyuk: a stain caused by a lie or a fart dubyesthecize: to render insensible by lying or farting dubyecute: to kill by lying or farting pullin a dubya: prevaricating; passing gas slippin a dubya: spinning a story; farting silently crackin a dubya: lying with conviction; farting for the Guinness Book floatin a dubya: testing a lie by firing for range; walking away from a fart dubyin through: serial lying; serial farting while walking through a crowd dubyin up: having a crony repeat a lie; dueling at a fartfest ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: for fans of The Jam > wellerism (WEH-luh-ri-zuhm) noun > > An expression involving a familiar proverb or quotation and its facetious > sequel. It usually comprises three parts: statement, speaker, situation. > > Examples: > > "Everyone to his own liking," the old woman said when she kissed her cow. > > "We'll have to rehearse that," said the undertaker as the coffin fell out > of the car. > > [After Sam Weller and his father, characters known for such utterances in > Charles Dickens's novel Pickwick Papers (1837).] > > "All of the Shavian proverbs and most of the wellerisms have been recorded > in a literary context ... Anyhow, 'So far so good,' as the boy said when > he had finished the first pot of his mother's jam." > W F H Nicolaisen; The Proverbial Bernard Shaw; Folklore (London, UK); 1998. > > This week's theme: words coined after someone's name. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 08:30:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: SF reading Thursday Aug 14. Free. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the RADAR reading series * a monthly literary extravaganza Thursday, August 14th * San Francisco Main Library * 6:00pm Free, 'Cause Shouldn't Everything Be? featuring TARA JEPSEN, whose hilarious short film Fumbling Toward Rock: The Miriam and Helen Story is an inspired chunk of musical and comical genius with fashion flashbacks that will make you start thrifting for whale-printed turtlenecks; who just scored a Bay Guradian Best of the Bay for her longtime hosting of the city's best and queerest open mic, K'Vetch; and whose fabulous stories are sometimes sad and sometimes completely absurd, just like life. KEVIN KILLIAN, pillar of San Francisco's underground writers' community, author of bunches of books including Little Men, which won a PEN Oakland Award and the recent I Cry Like A Baby; whose incredibly strange and wonderful plays have included Yoko Ono, Valerie Solanas, and Judd Nelson; who co-edits the periodical Mirage and is completeing a new novel, Spreadeagle, that just might be all about Kylie Minogue. Visiting from Washington state, BEE LAVENDER, a working-class cancer survivor whose righteous online activity includes publishing and editing the web version of the totally crucial Hip Mama parenting zine, launching Girl-mom.com for teen parents, the arts and creativity site Mamaphonic.com, and the activist news site Yomamasays.com; who co-edited the breakthrough anthology Breeder: Real Life Stories from A new generation of Mothers; and whose memoir-in-progress is gritty, big-hearted and occasionally violent. JEREMY LIN, the former enfant terrible of the couture culture rag Surface; who now informs the world about soggy Bernal Heights, queer love and immigration drama via Index magazine; who is one-half of The Jimmys, the duo who won a Guardian Best of the Bay prize for bringing teen cult movies to the people for free with the movie night Afterschool Special; and whose writing--"nervous and candid", darling, too--can be found online at Extraordinary Little Cough, and in his handsome zine New York City Station. Hosted by Michelle Tea * Entertaining Q & A to follow * Tons of free cookies* ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 10:13:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: a set of wrong headed brains and a contemporary angel happen to meet and drool a dream on rainy streets without a transplanted organ in site. In-Reply-To: <1060727127.ba17b8claity@drew.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable a set of wrong headed brains and a contemporary angel happen to meet=20 and drool a dream on rainy streets without a transplanted organ in site. if you give back the perfection you never had and promise to be forth=20 coming with that matter that requires a minimum of distraction, never=20 betray the, =93 I told you so,=94 exercise book rules, that have been = set=20 in perpetual motion, it is possible then that your hell will thin of=20 exploding pebbles and prowling dogs. on the other hand, since the fly=20 on the ceiling is a cocoon for mass cowardliness, your anticipation=20 alarm clock of your eventual liberation maybe nothing more then a=20 clothesless dummy in an abandoned department store window. you worry=20 to much about gasping air, without thinking of it as an eventual count=20= down to engines fired. this is not a sacrosanct package we are talking=20= about, this is a regulatory ticktock, waxen eyelids and oily skin, all=20= part of the package. you might as well be =93happy, happy, happy,=94 for=20= our sales folkz have the option of early or permanent repossession if=20 you do not fulfill your end of the bargain. realize ahead of time,=20 every hideous act is preplanned, as a built in malfunction. a perfect=20 example, deforestation, it was not our idea, but hey . . . we were=20 impressed seeing how some will eat their own home . . . very=20 impressive, very impressive. as we say everyday sarcasm is the=20 buttercups of our words, dog turfs and anonymous isolation for the=20 rest. so go ahead, try it out, know once its yours, it=92s yours for=20 life. and remember Lora and police, all part of the package. here at=20 human bondage we have been watching for millennia and there has only a=20= few malfunctions, bleeps on our screen, but they were taken care of=20 with crucifixion, assassination and maddness... very simple. we are on=20= track and hope you will join us.= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 11:03:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Arielle Greenberg Subject: snail mails needed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please backchannel 'em if you got 'em, thanks! Arielle Robert Creeley Mary Szybist Larissa Szporluk Jean Valentine Martha Zweig Mary Jo Bang Elizabeth Willis Haryette Mullen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:44:57 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: STANZAS list STANZAS - the little longpoem mag that could Another injury, another list of rare & out-of-print. What i thought yesterday a broken toe, today hoping merely a sprain. I need the money to have myself strapped to something for the next few weeks, so something else doesn't happen. Prices in effect until the end of August 2003, or until I run out of stock, whichever comes first. 19. STANZAS magazine, volume 1, issue #2. 500 copies, January 1994. issue dedicated to Frank Zappa. 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"Eulogistics" by Victor Coleman. released in Winnipeg, May 8, 1999. distributed free. 16 pages. 2 copies, $20 each. Current STANZAS subscriptions available at $20 for 5 issues. Current issue #34 - Three Pieces of Glass by Aaron Peck (Vancouver). Next issue: Highway 99 by Meredith Quartermain (Vancouver). Make cheques payable to rob mclennan, 858 Somerset St W, Main Floor, Ottawa Ontario Canada, K1R 6R7. In Canada, these are Canadian prices. Anywhere else, they become American prices. for further backlist items not outrageously expensive, check out www.track0.com/rob_mclennan -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:42:10 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Little Review: Jeff Derksen, Transnational Muscle Cars Comments: To: bks cuny MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.arras.net/weblog/ Little Review: Jeff Derksen, Transnational Muscle Cars Talonbooks 0-88922-473-0 Derksen likes to position his poetry right in the mainstream of the saltier, sparring realms of “political discourse,” his lines surfacing from the same semantic gumbo that produced Spiro Agniew’s “nattering nabobs of negativism” and Oscar Wilde’s whipsmart butlers getting one over on their narcissistic, hidebound masters. A spirit of paradox lurks behind the arras of Derksen’s lava-paced comedic discharge: “From agitprop to diamat / I believe it was Tatlin / who said — or was it Jacques Villeneuve: / Learn to make leisure / more work, rumours over tumours, / strategies over tactics. I stand / before you asking to be memorable / for my memorabilia and / symptomatic for my mottoes / in these times when we are told / that movement is what we all share / it’s just that some have more legroom.” (98) 1996’s Dwell began the exploration of a style that would become linked with Derksen: poems of spare, astute “socialist one-liners” (his own phrase) that accrued sentence by sentence to elaborate a complex field of issues, mostly concerning geopolitics and nationalism but also sexuality, culture and class identity. The mode departed from earlier varieties of “Language” poetics – such as those espoused by Barrett Watten, Bruce Andrews or the “new sentence” of Ron Silliman — by not fetishizing opaque formalisms over (or in place of) “content”: Dwell was, even for the newbie, accessible in themes, comfortably paced, and motored by an anti-heroic punk sensibility that jived with the author’s working class background in Vancouver, Canada. Transnational Muscle Cars, his third full-length collection, doesn’t add greatly to the poet’s arsenal of poetic methods — the title poem, “Social Facts are Vertical” and “But Could I Make a Living From It” could be extensions of poems from Dwell, and indeed of each other — though “Jobber” and the stanzas of “Forced Thoughts” (which read at times like decidedly un-Juba-to-Jived Harryette Mullen quatrains) reflect a confidence in extending his methods into longer works. There is a noticeable increase in the language of globalism — focus on the “specific,” especially brand names, is valorized, as a gumbo of capitalist detritus is depicted as links in a chain of transnational correspondences (“I want to see / the real relations / but you’ve got Nikes on and I like you / so I have to try and understand”) [10], while abstract terms are rendered material, humanized so as to be subjected to warm satire: “I’d like to inflate a bubble building as a mobil public sphere, but I’m a little breathless.” (106) Derksen quirps in “Social Facts are Vertical”: “I questioned authority and the question won,” a characteristically self-effacing remark that takes the “self” as both identity trace and Cartesian burden, but exhibiting a note of frustration with the language of theory itself as a wieldable force of opposition. But Derksen has turned this question into incredibly effective, lively but careful, Brechtian poetry that turns the event of reading into a hootenanny in the village square, and has already been quite influential on other writers creating bridges between radical formalism and a vaudevillian social platform, such as Kevin Davies, Rodrigo Toscano and Tim Davis. ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:39:02 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "J. Scappettone" Subject: Holloway Poetry Series, Fall 2003--please forward and distribute Comments: To: paterson@uclink.berkeley.edu, "Maria Sheridan (by way of Abigail Reyes )" , Consortium for the Arts , alex@sfstation.org Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please place these events in your newsletter, and feel free to forward. Thanks in advance for your help. JS Holloway Poetry Series, Fall 2003 Colloquia with the poets begin at 5:30 p.m. in 330 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley Readings begin at 7 p.m., Maud Fife Room, 315 Wheeler Hall, UC Berkeley All events are free and open to the public: bring friends! For our full schedule, poet bios, poems, and links to other poetry sources in the Bay Area and beyond, visit our website: http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~poetry * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tuesday, September 9: UC Berkeley faculty reading, featuring Anne Cheng, Robert Hass, Lyn Hejinian, Judith Goldman, Maxine Hong Kingston= , Ron Loewinsohn, Chris Nealon, Geoffrey G. O'Brien, John Shoptaw, and others Thursday, September 18: Barrett Watten and Nadia Nurhussein Barrett Watten was born in Long Beach, California, in 1948 and spent his childhood in California, Japan, and Taiwan. After graduating from high school in Oakland, he attended MIT and then UC Berkeley, where he took an A= B in the sciences in 1969 but also met poets Robert Grenier and Ron Silliman and studied with Josephine Miles, who recommended him to the Iowa Writers Workshop. He later returned to the Bay Area and began to form relations wit= h the group of experimental writers who would become known as the Language School. He edited This, one of the central little magazines of the movement= , and co-edited Poetics Journal, one its theoretical venues. In 1986, he returned to Berkeley, earning his PhD in English. His published books include Opera=8BWorks, Decay, 1=AD10, and, written in Berkeley, Conduit, Under Erasure, and Bad History; his collected poems, Frame (1971-1990), appeared in 1997. He has published two volumes of literary and cultural criticism, and since 1994 has taught at Wayne State University in Detroit. Nadia Nurhussein was raised in Staten Island, New York. She is currently a graduate student in the English department at UC Berkeley, working on a dissertation about American poetry written in dialect. Her poetry has received Berkeley's Eisner, Cook, and Poet Laureate Prizes. Tuesday, September 30: Lisa Robertson and Jessica Fisher Canadian writer Lisa Robertson has lived in Vancouver for twenty-odd years and is in the midst of moving to the nineteenth arrondisement. Her books of poetry include The Apothecary, XEclogue, Debbie: An Epic, and The Weather. Forthcoming from Clear Cut Press in Fall 2003 is Occasional Works and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture, a linked series of essays on cities, architecture and ornament. She moonlights as an astrologist for Nest: a Quarterly of Interiors under the pen name Swann. Jessica Fisher is a doctoral candidate in the department of English at UC Berkeley. She is currently writing a dissertation focused on the psychological function of the poetic mode, particularly as manifested in th= e late novels of Virginia Woolf. For the past year, she has worked with Robert Hass on a project to install poems in the sidewalk of the downtown Berkeley arts corridor; she will co-edit a book on the project in the comin= g year. Jessica has twice received the Eisner Prize for her poetry, and her translation of a poem by Czeslaw Milosz appeared in The New York Review of Books. Tuesday, October 7: Charles North and J.P. Jordan Charles North has authored eight poetry collections and a book of essays. H= e is the two-time winner of the National Endowment for the Arts Creative Writing Fellowship, and a recent finalist for the inaugural Phi Beta Kappa Poetry Award. North is Professor of English and the first full-time Poet-in-Residence at Pace University in NYC. J.P. Jordan is a graduate student in UC Berkeley's English department. Thursday, October 23: Anne Tardos and Jackson MacLow, and Julie Carr Jackson Mac Low, born in 1922 in Chicago, is a poet and composer and a writer of performance pieces, essays, plays, and radio works (mainly produced at WestdeutscherRundfunk, Cologne). He is also a painter and multimedia performance artist (often with his wife, Anne Tardos). Author of 26 books, his work has also been published in many anthologies and periodicals and read publicly, exhibited, performed, and broadcast in North and South America, Europe, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand. He has read, performed, and lectured throughout North America, Europe, and New Zealand. His recent publications include the books Representative Works: 1938-1985 (1986), Words and Ends from Ez (1989), Twenties: 100 Poems (1991), Pieces o= ' Six: Thirty-three Poems in Prose (1992), 42 Merzgedichte in Memoriam Kurt Schwitters (1994), and Barnesbook (1995) and the compact disc (with Anne Tardos and seven instrumentalists) Open Secrets (1993). Anne Tardos is a poet, a visual artist, and a composer. Her books of multilingual poems and graphics are The Dik-dik's Solitude (Granary Books, 2002; Uxudo (Tuumba Press/O Books, 1999); Mayg-shem Fish (Potes & Poets Press, 1995); and Cat Licked the Garlic (Tsunami Editions, 1992). Examples of her visual texts were exhibited at the Museum of Modern Art, New York an= d the Newberger Museum of Art, New York. She has participated in several Fluxus festivals and events since the early 1970s, and her work was exhibited at the 1990 Venice Biennale's Fluxus Pavillion. She is also the author of the multilingual performance work Among Men , which was produced by the (WDR) West German Radio, in Cologne. She has lectured and performed her works widely in the United States and Europe. Julie Carr is a 3rd year English grad student working on 19th century poetry. Her own poems have been published in journals such as Boston Review= , TriQuarterly, Epoch, New England Review and Seneca Review. She's won variou= s poetry prizes and has taught poetry writing in the NYC publish school syste= m and NYC public libraries. Previous to all of this, she was a dancer and dance improviser. Thursday, November 6: Geoffrey G. O'Brien Geoffrey G. O'Brien's first book, The Guns and Flags Project, was published by the University of California Press in 2002. ************************************************************************* If you have additional questions about the series, please contact Jen Scappettone at jscape@socrates.berkeley.edu. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 20:43:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Cid Corman Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an essay on Cid Corman's poetry just up on LEGIBLE's Blog. This way: www.geocities.com/legible5roses/schwartzcorman Gerald Schwartz schwartzgk@msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:17:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: HISTORY OF WAHHABIS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit before flintlock ignition In 1599 the London grocers formed the East India Company (the Honourable Company) Pepper was at the bottom of the British Empire (Oil is at the bottom of the American Empire) the explosive heat of this commodity [pepper] communicated itself to its peppery english purveyors (the explosive heat of this commodity [oil, that silly sediment] communicates itself to its oily american consumers) In the late 18th and early 19th centuries the Omanis themselves had a bad reputation for piracy By 1800 Muscat was almost exclusively a port of transit between India and the Gulf Captain Babcock, having been seen firing a musket, was condemned to lose an arm which was struck off with a single blow of a sword. The Captain retained sufficient presence of mind to thrust the profusely bleeding stump of his arm into a pot of hot ghee [...] which lessened the flow of blood, as his captors had taken no interest in preventing his bleeding to death When Sir John Malcolm, the future Governor of Bombay, inquired of his Arab servant Khudadad as to who were the inhabitants of this barren shore of Arabia, he was told with apparent alarm They are of the sect of the Wahhabis, and are called Jouassimee [Qawasimi]; but God preserve us from them, for they are monsters. Their occupation is piracy, and their delight murder, and to make it worse they give you the most pious reasons for every villainy they commit. They abide by the letter of the sacred volume, rejecting all commentaries and traditions. If you are their captive and offer all to save your life, they say 'No! It is written in the Koran that it is unlawful to plunder the living, but we are not prohibited in that sacred work from stripping the dead'; so saying they knock you on the head. [...]they 'plundered their way to heaven' [and they] actually received support from 'the wavering and infatuated policy of the Bombay Government', then represented by the East India Company, who absurdly regarded these murderous ruffians [terrorists] as 'innocent and unoffending Arabs [Saudis]' and tied the hands of their naval officers with peremptory orders not to fire on any arab craft until they first opened fire. [...] the bloodthirsty pirates [...] construed non-intervention an avowal of weakness. pirate excesses Then under 'circumstances of horrid solemnity which gave the deed the appearance of some hellish religious rite' the severely wounded captain was literally hewed to pieces on the quarter deck. While the individual passengers and crew members were bound and 'led forward singly, their heads placed on the gunwale, and their throats cut with the exclamation used in battle, "Allah Akbar"'. provoked a reversal in the absurd, tender consciences of the East India Company's Directors the chief Qawasimi capital of Ras al-Khaimah [one of the seven emirates of the United Arab Emirates] was bombarded and razed to the ground This was far from being the end of the Sultan's [of Oman] troubles with the piratical Wahhabis By 1812, despite a general decline of Wahhabi fortunes which reached their nadir in 1813 when Ibrahim Pasha drove Abdullah bin Saud out of Hijaz, Arab corsairs [terrorists] were as busy as ever [...] one Rahma bin Jaubir, the very type of the 'Barbary pirate' of fiction: he had the capture of entire fleets to his credit, he gave no quarter, slaughtering whole crews, he wore nothing but a shirt which he had never changed or washed, his body and face were a mass of disfiguring scars. The bones of his left arm had been shattered by grape-shot and having worked out through the flesh, had left him with a boneless arm with which, however, he took great pleasure in cutting throats. [...] Wahhabism [...] a kind of licence to turn pirate [terrorist] (Once in the junk souk of Riyadh I witnessed a religious policeman (the tell-tale short dish-dash robe marking him) holding what looked like the fanbelt from a car threateningly weilding it to make sure the shops were closing during the afternoon prayer. He had very black skin, probably a former slave, which was finally outlawed in the Kingdom in 1963.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:42:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Statement on asondheim.org/portal/*.exe for Lewis LaCook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Statement on asondheim.org/portal/*.exe for Lewis LaCook The programs are operating in the space between analog and digital, although totally grounded in the digital. How much can mathesis transform semantics? All of them except for bee.exe are determined and therefore the metaphorical application of the machinic to the world. The code is simply vb-wise and somewhat complex in terms of nesting and recursion. I tend to work well with trignometric functions, which near the limits, say, of tangent and cotangent, can resonate with the limits of the computation itself. Furthermore these images are interpreted in terms of the underlying photographs - a lichen-like growth upon them, empathetic and cohering. In turn, they modify, deconstruct. What are they deconstructing? Language, meaning, symbols, the symbolic. Through erasure and the growth of form. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:14:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: GLORYBEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII GLORYBEE http://www.asondheim.org/portal/gb.exe clearcut god face clearcut of face god of we good will we thank will for god how for wonderful how everything wonderful is everything so is good so do face click do and click on click resize do wonder of let god it let be it said be worship will _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:41:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: STRANGE BEDFELLOWS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ROBERTS: We gotta' convert them heathen sodomite A-rabs. SHRUB: Why what would you do if you were separated from women until you were marriageable or couldn't go to Bangkok or even Sophia, Bulgaria, Oral? ROBERTS: that sombitch Sodom Hussein wouldn't think twice times for doing it, I bet. SHRUB: Well, I was in one of the hotel bathrooms and dammed if every stall had a hose in it to clean the asshole with. Damm, I'd rather have a dirty asshole from shit rubbed around on it with teepee than to stick some nozzle up my asshole after some Saudi used it. ROBERTS: shit that's primitive. SHRUB: dammed if I didn't meet some Amurrikan diplomat that said it was hygenic, gettin' all the bacteria cleaned and reamed outa' his a-hole... "Om an ol' cowhaaaaaand from the rio graaaaand, wiped my ass with my haaaaand, like a musulmaaaaan." ROBERTS: No wonder those queen faggots love it over there. LEEZA: We gotta problem on our hands, George. SHRUB: Yeah, politics makes strange bedfellows. But, we got the Amurrikan public convinced now that the hijackers were Iraqis, at least that's what a poll shows now. They're all ragheads anyways. LEEZA: I know, all of them are named Al, at least that's what's intelligence found out, all the shop signs over there began with 'Al'. You know, like Al Jazeera. So intelligence thinks that if we terminate any raghead with the first name of Al we can get rid of any possible terrorists. You know like in the Bible, killin' the first born. COLON: Far out, Leeza. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:45:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, In your piece, you wrote: "(Oil is at the bottom of the American Empire)"=20 And you miss a critical point. Allow me to correct your error by = adjusting your sentence: "England is at the bottom of the American Empire." =20 And, in truth, Matt, England is at the bottom of the troubles in the = Middle East. =20 Imagine how the English would react were a foreign nation to plunder a = portion of the land around Liverpool, say carve out a parcel of land = large enough to represent an Israel, and suppose that foreign nation, = who assisted the incoming, new residents to win the early wars with the = locals Brits, then used its influence to talk America into arming, = training and continuing to fund the military of the newly arrived = residents. How might Mr. Blair react to that scenario? =20 The Israeli's since 1948, with the aid and arms from Britain and its = allies (most notably the then pointedly Christian U.S.A.) have won = fourteen wars (14) against their Arab neighbors...and still they have no = peace. Nor will there be peace so long as there is an imposed British = (American) intervention into the daily lives of the people who populate = the lands.=20 And I should clarify this point, America (nee GWBush) is not a culprit = in this crime; the limp-minded eli has been a pawn in the British game, = again.=20 My problem with the situation is simply this: neither GWB nor his tribe = of followers has the intellectual perspicacity to recognize the fact = that they've been played. That, in my estimation is a fine feather in = the hat of Mr. Blair and the British government. Here, once again, the = Brits have managed to take a losing hand and trade it for a winner by = duping a silly, egotistical youngster of a country. =20 "Will there ever be a real peace in the Middle East," you ask?=20 Ask this while you are asking: "Will there be peace in Ireland?"=20 If you are a graduate of an English or an American school system and = have failed to think beyond the details presented in your degree = program, you will answer those questions by saying something like, = "There will be peace in the region as soon as all factions learn to = accept the dictates of the American (nee British) plan." =20 And at that statement, you'd be as wrong as your predecessors who have = uttered similar words. =20 "So, Alex," you ask, "how should peace be pursued in the region?" =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:18:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Murphy Subject: backchannel W.B. Keckler Address MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If anyone has Bill Keckler's email address, or if you are on here, Bill, can you backchannel me contact information? Thanks = Sheila Murphy __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:57:35 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Bush went AWOL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.awolbush.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:07:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Places to read in Eugene, Oregon? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear List: I'm going to be in Eugene, OR mid-October and wd like to set up a reading (or talk) from my books. If you have any suggestions for the area (I guess Salem and Corvallis aren't far away), aside from the U. of Oregon's bookstore, I'd appreciate it. Back-channel's o.k. Thanks, Walter K. Lew ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:37:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Fife~Zen Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 15. It could even have been the pull of nightbirds talking in the depths of feverish leaves. Spooning Anemone an effort, but I, symi'd with anonymity, am too busily murdering. Yi! Yi! dragging guttered violins, threading it through my blood. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:34:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Catherine Meng, Chris Daniels, and, David Hess In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, I'm inordinately pleased to announce the first in a series of House Readings, in the fine local tradition recently re-established by David Hadbawnik's friday night reading series. Only this time it's in Oakland. Well, the first reading is in Oakland but expect a reading in a living room near you soon: namely, kari edward's house in San Francisco and Taylor Brady's new east bay location, later this fall. More will be revealed. The details? You are invited to come eat, drink, chat and listen to poetry from Catherine Meng, Chris Daniels, and, visiting from St. Louis: David Hess! next Wednesday, August 20, readings to begin at 7:30 at Stephanie Young's house 434 36th Street Oakland, 94609 (directions below) Please bring a snack or something to drink. I'm going to make pie. And ice cream. THE READERS: Catherine Meng is an east coast ex-pat who has been living & writing in Berkeley for the past 3 years after time in both Montana and New Mexico. She has a strong sense of spatial awareness but is very poor at math. Chris Daniels was born in 1956 in NYC and moved to the Bay Area in 1981. His translations of lusophone poetry have appeared in many literary journals. "On the Shining Screen of the Eyelids," published by Manifest Press, is his first book of translations. David Hess graduated from St. Louis University High School in 1992. He attended Brown University where he met many poets and wrote many poems. He's had poems, essays and reviews published in such magazines as Jacket, Mungo vs. Ranger, Skanky Possum, Flashpoint, Shampoo, Quid, The Baffler and VeRT. David has worked many jobs. Some may be familiar with his editorship at Ladue News=92 now defunct monthly insert Gentlemen=92s Club. If you=92re not, you don=92t know what you were missing. As far as poetry goes, David continues to write it despite the pain it causes him and others. He once described his poetic style as =93a punk Wallace Stevens=94 and his criticism as =93Hans Gadamer on acid.=94 Skanky Possum, out of Austin, TX, published a chapbook, Cage Dances, in 2001. In January 2003 David started a weblog =96 =93Heathens in Heat=94 =96 where he routinely posts writing, commentary and expletive-laced digressions on the nature of mortal existence. DIRECTIONS TO STEPHANIE'S HOUSE: I'm located at 434 36th Street, in Oakland. 36th Street runs parallel to MacArthur Blvd. and between Broadway and Telegraph Ave. If you are driving from the city, I strongly suggest you plug my address into Mapquest (www.mapquest.com) or contact me directly and I can deluge you with paragraphs of instructions. For those of you coming via public transit, MacArthur BART is the closest. You can walk to my house from there. As you exit the BART station, walk through the parking lot and out the back right hand side. You'll exit onto Telegraph Ave. and the next light will be MacArthur Blvd. Continue up Telegraph, through the light, and then cross to the other side of the street. 36th St. will be your second left. Walk up 36th. I am towards the top of the street, on the left hand side. The house is white / off white. IMPORTANT: I am the lower flat. Walk up the driveway - you'll see a garage in the back with a scary-silly blue puppet face. You'll also see my white honda civic. The door is up the driveway on the left hand side. I'll have a sign posted near the street pointing you my way. If all else fails: the phone # is 510-428-9584 Hope to see you there! Stephanie ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:35:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Encyclopoetica MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Encyclopoetica www.encyclopoetica.com/8.html www.encyclopoetica.com/9.html www.encyclopoetica.com/10.html www.encyclopoetica.com/11.html www.encyclopoetica.com/12.html august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: 8/4/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:48:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Amiri Baraka's daughter murdered Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v543) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newark shaken by the loss of selfless role model Shani Baraka was the quiet star of city's prominent family Thursday, August 14, 2003 BY BARRY CARTER AND JEFFERY C. MAYS Star-Ledger Staff Amiri Baraka is a nationally recognized poet and social activist who was one of the leading voices of the black power and black arts movement of the 1960s and'70s. His son, Ras Baraka, followed in his footsteps, becoming active in Newark city issues, reciting his poetry on Lauryn Hill's debut album and, more recently, on the nationally televised Def Poetry Jam. From our Advertisers Amiri Baraka's daughter, Shani Baraka, went about things in a quieter way. A math and science teacher at Vailsburg Middle School and assistant basketball coach at Malcolm X Shabazz High School, she upheld the family tradition of reaching out to young people. Shani Baraka, 31, and her friend Rayshon Holmes, 30, of Irvington were found shot dead Tuesday in the family room of the Piscataway home of Shani Baraka's sister. In Newark, word of Shani Baraka's death hit hard. "We are hurting because this family is such an important part of the Newark community," said Mayor Sharpe James, who was visibly distraught. "The Baraka family have been activists at articulating the concerns of the people," said state Sen. Ronald Rice. "They've been in the forefront of making government pay attention to certain issues." By 10 a.m. yesterday, cars were doubled-parked in front of the home of Amiri Baraka and his wife, Amina, on South 10th Street, a tree-lined block in the city's South Ward. A stream of close friends, family members, community activists and city officials stopped by to express condolences. On the street outside the house there were hugs and tears as people remembered the young woman. "Everybody loved Shani," said a teary-eyed Ras Baraka, her brother and a deputy mayor in Newark. "She was the best one out of all of us." "Shani was so full of life," Amiri Baraka said. "This is inconceivable." One visitor was Newark School Superintendent Marion A. Bolden, who hugged Ras Baraka. "This hurts personally because Shani's such a sweet person. She was one of us. She went to school here and came back after college to teach, coach and be a role model for our children," said Bolden. Rep. Donald Payne (D-10th Dist.), said, "She was always cheerful and she kept a smile on her face." Community activist Patrick Council called Shani Baraka's death "a definite loss to the community, especially to the women in the community. "She was a good spirit. She was high-energy," Council said. "That's the kind of stuff the community needed. And she demanded it (energy) back. She always wanted you to feel like she felt." Shani Baraka was a top student-athlete at Johnson C. Smith University in Charlotte, N.C. She was an outstanding basketball point guard, once named co-player of the year by the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association. She graduated summa cum laude in 1994. Friends and family said that even though Shani Baraka was 5-foot-1, she was a tough, feisty and quick all-around guard with a nice jump shot, who didn't like to lose. "She was a tough player who didn't back down from anybody," said Valerie Barnes, head girls basketball coach at University High School in Newark and Shani Baraka's high school coach. Shani got her start in coaching at University High School under Barnes. She had aspirations to be a head coach and moved to Shabazz High School, a larger basketball program, where she was assistant coach for the past three years. Last year the team, which won the state Tournament of Champions, was recognized as one of the best girls teams in the nation. Ras Baraka said Shani was enrolled at Saint Peter's College in Jersey City and was one year away from completing her master's in administration and supervision. With those credentials, colleagues said, Shani could have become a vice principal or an athletic director, although she liked to coach. "She was just in her prime," Ras said. "She was trying to buy a house. She was 30 years old. She was trying to begin to make stuff happen in her life." Shani was already making things happen with her Vailsburg students and the players at Shabazz. "She always said: 'Discipline, basketball, life,'" said Princess Porter, a member of the Shabazz Lady Bulldogs championship team, who will attend the University of the District of Columbia in the fall. "She told us that if we are going to be tough on the basketball court, we had to be tough in life," she said. Beyond being an assistant coach, Shani Baraka was the go-to person when the players needed someone to talk to. Her players said she kept in touch with their problems, and she knew the finer details of their lives, including their birthdays. "She was always there," said Jamillah White, 16, a junior. Last Friday, Shani Baraka came to Jamillah's side at a funeral for her cousin, who had been shot eight times. It was the last time they spoke, Jamillah said. Recently, Shani Baraka coached the Newark girls basketball team to a gold medal in the U.S. Youth Games in San Francisco. In the past, Baraka had served as an assistant coach. "This year, Shani coached the team herself ... and she brought the gold medal home," James said. Porter said she will dedicate the rest of her basketball career to her assistant coach. "She always said there was more to life than basketball," Porter said. "Every time I play, I'm going to remember my coach because she had such an impact on my life." Shani's death wasn't the first time that violence hit the Baraka family. Amiri Baraka's sister, actress and dancer Kimako Baraka, was stabbed to death in 1984 by a vagrant she tried to help. "My sister and my daughter were killed by crazy men who hate women," Amiri Baraka said. http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/ 1060837826272460.xml ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:00:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: very sad news Comments: To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , ImitaPo Memebers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable News Break =20 08/14/2003 04:25:04 EST Police: Poet Baraka's Daughter Shot=20 A daughter of New Jersey's deposed poet laureate and the = daughter's friend were found shot to death in a home, authorities said = Wednesday. The bodies of Shani Baraka, 31, and Rayshon Holmes, 30, were = discovered Tuesday night in the Piscataway home that Shani Baraka shared = with her sister, according to prosecutor Bruce Kaplan. Police were searching for Shani Baraka's brother-in-law, James = Coleman, who also goes by the name Ibn El-Amin Pasha, Kaplan said. = Coleman is the estranged husband of Wanda Pasha, Shani Baraka's sister. = Coleman was not called a suspect. Amiri Baraka, the former poet laureate, said Wanda Pasha made = several domestic violence complaints against Coleman, from whom she = separated in February. He said Wanda Pasha was in Las Vegas at the time = of the shootings. Kaplan said Coleman was not served with two complaints and has = been considered a fugitive since July. Amiri Baraka's post as poet laureate was eliminated last month = after he wrote a poem suggesting that Israel had advance knowledge of = the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Investigators do not believe = the uproar over the poem had anything to do with the shootings. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:07:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Fulcrum 3 theme CLARIFICATION + submission dates Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The theme of Fulcrum's third issue, to appear in early 2004, is "DIAGNOSIS: POETRY (Poetry, Psychology, Psychiatry)." We would like to clarify that this thematic constraint primarily concerns ESSAYS rather than poems. Many (though not all!) of the essays in the issue will explore the psychological and psychiatric dimensions, circumstances, aspects, contexts, etc. of poetry. We especially welcome essays by psychologists, psychiatrists and cognitive scientists who wish to discuss poets and poetry from this particular angle. We will also consider other essays on poetry. If you have an essay in mind or in hand but are not sure whether it fits the issue's editorial needs, please don't hesitate to query (or simply send it along). Any suggestions and recommendations are also most welcome. Poetry submissions are not expected to follow any specific theme. Simply send us your best work! Fulcrum normally reads unsolicited submissions June through August only, but this year we have extended the reading period through September. Send submissions of poetry and essays to: Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. Fulcrum Annual 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 Cambridge, MA 02139, USA e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com (queries only) Please include a brief cover letter and SAE with sufficient postage (postal stamps or IRCs). We regret being unable to accept unsolicited submissions by email. Reading an issue of Fulcrum before submitting work is highly RECOMMENDED. SUBSCRIPTION rates in the US are $15 per issue for individuals, $30 for institutions. Overseas subscriptions are $20 and $40 per issue, respectively. $5 discount on 3-issue subscriptions. Send check or money order drawn in US currency and payable to Fulcrum Annual to the editorial address. NOTE: Copies of Fulcrum 1 ("A Map of English-language Poetry") are still available for $15 postpaid in the US, $20 overseas. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:07:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Fwd: ANOMALOUS IS CLOSING Comments: To: silence@virginia.edu, zorn-list@mailman.xmission.com, Electroacoustic@yahoogroups.com, experimusic@yahoogroups.com, lowercase-sound@yahoogroups.com, othermindsforum@otherminds.org, why.patterns@topica.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This unfortunate news may be of interest to some of y'all who are on the look out for recordings that are often hard to find in the US and elsewhere. Bests, Herb >X-Sender: anomaly-1@zipcon.net >X-Priority: 2 (High) >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:28:40 -0700 >To: Recipient List Suppressed:; >From: Anomalous Records mail order >Subject: ANOMALOUS IS CLOSING > >At the end of August 2003, Anomalous Records will CLOSE. > >No more mail order. >No more wholesale. > >No 'going-out-of-business' sale - if you want it, buy it now before >we run out. > >Please get any orders in before August 25th, as we will likely spend >the last week of August packing everything up to put in storage. > >Obviously, everything is limited to the stock on hand, once it is >gone, it's gone. > >Why are we closing? Well, there are a lot of reasons. Probably >most importantly is that Anomalous Records is kept alive by me, Eric >Lanzillotta, putting in a lot of unpaid overtime. Anomalous Records >is the result of a lot of passion and drive. I have a lot of >passion for the sounds we sell, and a lot of drive to do things the >best I can. I pushed myself very hard because I believe very much >in what I do with Anomalous Records. I am very proud of what I have >accomplished, and it is a great part of my life. In fact, it has >been most of my life for the last 12 and a half years. Therein lies >the problem. In pushing myself forward to make this work, I have >pushed myself too far. In fact, I probably past my limits several >years ago. Recently I have begun to notice the negative side >effects of pushing myself so hard for so long. Basically the stress >of doing this has taken its toll. I have realized that I need to >stop now while I can, and not just completely burn myself out. >Aside from this, Anomalous is not all of my life. As a few of you >will know, I have a son who will be turning 13 in a few months. If >there is one thing that I regret about Anomalous, it is not having >more time to spend with him. > >For those have of you who have been around long enough, you will >know that through a lot of periods of Anomalous' history, the >business has been run entirely by me. I have had occasional helpers >over the years who I could not have gotten by without (Danielle, >Daniel, Damion, Sara, Jessica, Davey, Drew, Jeph, AJ, Rachael, >Isaac, Jefferson, Matt, Monica, and another Daniel). Most important >of these is Rachael Jackson, who has been helping me for over 4 >years now and has become the public face of Anomalous Records for >most people. To her especially, I am indebted for all the time and >effort and without whom Anomalous might have collapsed a while ago. >We did put forward the idea of Rachael continue to run Anomalous >without me, but it became apparent that she could not handle running >the business (let alone how the numbers were looking). Getting >someone outside to take over what was so personal is also >unappealing. > >I owe many people thanks for help in making this dream work for so >long. To make a list would be impossibly long, and I would fear >leaving out someone important in taking on such a long task. But I >would like to single out a few people that I have especially high >gratitude for: > >KENT RANDOLPH > >NORIYASU NOGAI > >ROBERT MARZANO > >The support and faith these people have had in me over years has >been instrumental. > >Likewise, the creative force of JEPH JERMAN has been an important >inspiration through the entire history of Anomalous Records. > >Most of all, without TANITH LANZILLOTTA, I probably could have not >kept going through it all. I thank him for all his patience for >dad having to work late. > >But as I allude to above, there are hundreds more people that helped >make this what it was. Everyone that bought anything and all the >wonderfully talented and underappreciated artists that have made up >the catalog over the years. Anomalous has mainly been about a >bringing together of people and sounds, and I hope I've helped you >on this journey. > >Last, PLEASE do help us sell off the remaining stock by buying. I >would very much like to keep the label side of Anomalous Records >alive, but that depends on selling off a lot of the stock we have on >hand. I am going to make one last push to sell things over the next >two weeks, then I must call it quits. We have a lot of wonderful >things in the works such as releases by: >AMM >Mnemonists / Biota >Andrew Deutsch >Ellen Fullman >RLW >Robert Millis' recordings from SE Asia >and more.... >Please help me save at least this part of my dream, and thank again >for all your support over the years! > >This is actually a shortened version of everything going through my >head lately. Maybe at some future point, I will put something more >extended on the web site. Yes, the web site will stay up on the >internet, but the catalog will disappear. Also, the PO Box will >remain a valid address. > >Eric Lanzillotta > -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:32:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: recently I cooked in a microwave In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable recently I cooked in a microwave as always the phase merit was meet as good morning - as always the=20 reverberation or what was thought as a reinterpretation from distant=20 ruble was returned mail - stamped family status incomplete. the blue=20 windowpane was nothing but remnants of blocked intestines after a=20 failed confession, where I repeated to my shelf, I shall kill this body=20= unincorporated when given into another position. really it had more to=20= do with the reported invasion not my internal combustion or some=20 failure with the new fade of holy digressions. coming down the hill=20 turning left after paying the toll, an entire population of lemmings=20 was reawakening. to late to fuss with nausea or the old I would walk a=20= mile further then a camel with my cordless replica and pebble shoes.=20 this is my drano dildo hello to you, a yellow jello mold howdy-do=20 contemplation on the second hand - did someone say plastic cheese? I=20 meet individually wrapped sealed and radiated for procreation,=20 something condoms that will wash pain away like jet blue champaign. as=20= was mentioned in the state script, I extend my right hand and say -=20 good morning , my you look smarter then ever . . . the bell curse is=20 surly wrong today . . . is that a new outfit or just better gas milage.=20= I cross my legs, this is becoming a big problem and totally=20 self-reflective. there is a live feeding station and imitation=20 migration of cobra helicopters from multiplex to the next base of=20 preventive medicine - it=92s disney from patagonia, coca-cola or = freudian=20 freedoina, with freewheeling netscape hard drive eternally altered hot=20= sex DNA and an offering to reduce your debt with two choices, to your=20= right rousseauian dinner flack jackets and on your right we the lincoln=20= brigade tee=92s, one size fits all, just arriving late from tea in = spain.=20 I dance and feel the sound track of my tree of life beep, I know=20 someone loves me. we play kick the dog, its not a real dog, its an=20 laminated real dog, its not even us kicking a laminated real dog, its a=20= video game, a sort of pick up stick. the real me has someone's hand is=20= on a joy stick, the other hand holds a red flavored looney tunes lolly=20= pop, my other hand is waiting for anything new to arrive modem ad=20 infinitum.= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:02:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Baraka's daughter shot (dead). MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspoet143413925aug14,0,3593085.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Black August in Albany Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Forward this on and mark it down on your calender. Hope to see everyone there > >announcement (please forward widely): > >black august: underground hip hop and spoken word. >a benefit for the albany jericho movement. >august 31st, 8pm at the artist's all faith center, 453 n pearl st. >$6 > >performers include: > >broadcast live: hip hop feat victorio reyes, author of 'the rebirth of >krazy >horse' > >zest rock & tracy jones: nyc hip hop > >soul kitchen, inc.: spoken word > >indigo: spoken word > >talib: spoken word > >alisa sikelianos: singer/songwriter > >for more information please contact dylan boyce @ 436-0929 or >jericho@sunstillrising.com > >the Jericho Movement is a political prisoner support group working to free >all political prisoners and abolish the prison system. we are currently >compiling biographical and case information on all nys political prisoners >which we will print as a booklet. all funds raised will go towards this >project. > >RESISTANCE: THE ORIGIN OF BLACK AUGUST >Black August originated in the California penal system to honor fallen >Freedom Fighters, Jonathan Jackson, George Jackson, William Christmas, >James >McClain and Khatari Gaulden. Jonathan Jackson was gunned down outside the >Marin County California courthouse on August 7, 1970 as he attempted to >liberate three imprisoned Black Liberation Fighters: James McClain, William >Christmas and Ruchell Magee. Ruchell Magee is the sole survivor of that >armed >liberation attempt. He is the former co-defendant of Angela Davis and has >been locked down for 38 years, most of it in solitary confinement. George >Jackson was assassinated by prison guards during a Black prison rebellion >at >San Quentin on August 21, 1971. Three prison guards were also killed during >that rebellion and prison officials charged six Black and Latino prisoners >with the death of those guards. These six brothers became known as the San >Quentin Six. > >Khatari Gaulden was a prominent leader of the Black Guerilla Family (BGF) >after Comrade George was assassinated. Khatari was a leading force in the >formation of Black August, particularly its historical and ideological >foundations. Khatari, like many of the unnamed freedom fighters of the BGF >and the revolutionary prison movement of the 1970's, was murdered at San >Quentin Prison in 1978 to eliminate his leadership and destroy the >resistance >movement. > >The brothers who participated in the collective founding of Black August >wore >black armbands on their left arm and studied revolutionary works, focusing >on >the works of George Jackson. The brothers did not listen to the radio or >watch television in August. Additionally, they didn't eat or drink anything >from sun-up to sundown; and loud and boastful behavior was not allowed. The >brothers did not support the prison's canteen. The use of drugs and >alcoholic >beverages was prohibited and the brothers held daily exercises, because >during Black August, emphasis is placed on sacrifice, fortitude and >discipline. Black August is a time to embrace the principles of unity, >self- >sacrifice, political education, physical training and resistance. >In the late 1970's the observance and practice of Black August left the >prisons of California and began being practiced by Black/New Afrikan >revolutionaries throughout the country. Members of the New Afrikan >Independence Movement (NAIM) began practicing and spreading Black August >during this period. The Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) inherited >knowledge and practice of Black August from its parent organization, the >New >Afrikan People's Organization (NAPO). MXGM through the Black August >Collective (now defunct) began introducing the Hip-Hop community to Black >August in the late 1990's after being inspired by New Afrikan political >exile >Nehanda Abiodun. >Traditionally, Black August is a time to study history, particularly our >history in the North American Empire. The first Afrikans were brought to >Jamestown as slaves in August of 1619, so August is a month during which >Blacks/New Afrikans can reflect on our current situation and our self- >determining rights. Many have done that in their respective time periods. >In >1843, Henry Highland Garnett called a general slave strike on August 22. >The >Underground Railroad was started on August 2, 1850. The March on Washington >occurred in August of 1963, Gabriel Prosser's 1800 slave rebellion occurred >on August 30 and Nat Turner planned and executed a slave rebellion that >commenced on August 21, 1831. The Watts rebellions were in August of 1965. >On >August 18, 1971 the Provisional Government of the Republic of New Afrika >(RNA) was raided by Mississippi police and FBI agents. The MOVE family was >bombed by Philadelphia police on August 8, 1978. Further, August is a time >of >birth. Dr. Mutulu Shakur (political prisoner & prisoner of war), Pan- >Africanist Black Nationalist Leader Marcus Garvey, Maroon Russell Shoatz >(political prisoner) and Chicago BPP Chairman Fred Hampton were born in >August. August is also a time of rebirth, W.E.B. Dubois died in Ghana on >August 27, 1963. >The tradition of fasting during Black August teaches self-discipline. A >conscious fast is in effect from 6:00 am to 8:00 pm. Some other personal >sacrifice can be made as well. The sundown meal is traditionally shared >whenever possible among comrades. On August 31, a People's feast is held >and >the fast is broken. Black August fasting should serve as a constant >reminder >of the conditions our people have faced and still confront. Fasting is >uncomfortable at times, but it is helpful to remember all those who have >come >and gone before us, Ni Nkan Mase, if we stand tall, it is because we stand >on >the shoulders of many ancestors. >MXGM would like to thank the following for their contribution to this >article: Kali Akuno, Kiilu Nyasha, Ayanna Mashama, David Giappa Johnson, >Sundiata Tate, Louis Bato Talamantez of the San Quentin 6 and The Malcolm X >Grassroots Movement (MXGM). > >for more information please contact dylan boyce @ 436-0929 > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:00:46 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: final call, postmark by friday 8/15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Annual Transcontinental Poetry Award by Pavement Saw Press Each year Pavement Saw Press will seek to publish at least one book of poetry and/or prose poems from manuscripts received during this competition. Selection is made anonymously through a competition that is open to anyone who has not previously published a volume of poetry or prose.The author receives $1000 and copies. The judge of the competition will be announced after the contest. Previous judges have included Bin Ramke, David Bromige and Howard McCord. This years judge is Judith Vollmer. Last year two books were published. One chosen by the judge (who won publication and monetary prize) and one by the editor (whose book was published with a royalty contract). All poems must be original, all prose must be original, fiction or translations are not acceptable. Writers who have had volumes of poetry and/or prose under 40 pages printed or printed in limited editions of no more than 500 copies are eligible. Submissions are accepted during the months of June, July, and until August 15th. Entries must meet these requirements: 1. The manuscript should be at least 48 pages and no more than 64 pages in length. 2. A cover letter which includes a brief biography, the book's title, your name, address, and telephone number, your signature, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail address. It should also include a list of acknowledgments for the book. 3. The manuscript should be bound with a single clip and begin with a title page including the book's title, your name, address, and telephone number, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail address. Submissions to the contest are judged anonymously. 4. The second page should have only the title of the manuscript. There are to be no acknowledgments or mention of the author's name from this page forward. 5. A table of contents should follow the second title page. 6. The manuscript should be paginated, beginning with the first page of poetry. 7. There should be no more than one poem on each page. The manuscript can contain pieces that are longer than one page. Your manuscript should be accompanied by a check in the amount of $15.00 (US) made payable to Pavement Saw Press. All US contributors to the contest will receive at least one book provided a self addressed 9 by 12 envelope with $1.60 postage attached is provided. Add appropriate postage for other countries. For acknowledgment of the manuscripts arrival, please include a stamped, self-addressed postcard. For notification of results, enclose a SASE business size envelope. A decision will be reached in September. Do not send the only copy of your work. All manuscripts will be recycled, and individual comments on the manuscripts cannot be made. Manuscripts and correspondence should be sent to: Pavement Saw Press Transcontinental Award Entry P.O. Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 Submissions are accepted during the months of June, July, and postmarked until August 15th only. http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:42:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: The sky is falling! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The power's out here in NYC, and this is now on the NYT online-- NEWS ALERT Power Outages Reported Along East Coast; North to Toronto, South to Maryland and West to Cleveland and Detroit (4:32 PM ET) Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:30:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Fugitive Grime Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed gratefully give the body, you on the streets, tongues in the middle of patience, up to your neck in unbroken sequence, come back to a more intimate setting, intimate pauper silence that dug under spousal vindications the first brains that provoke fishermen serves the public preoccupation, take it to make it notes concentrated on business hear me on formal introduction - I could not, were she alive, bear this grace ripening without me! gratefulness remains to ask much of its grace, ask if an implausible blustering title warrants powerless feelings, History's now my errand, spirit was alone to air grievances no one could replace assent snares hurried to ocean-blued shipments _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:36:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the street lights are not working air-conditioning is not working airport screening is not working the airports are not working the elevators were not working the road map (to peace) is not working the railroad is not working the subway is not working President Taylor is not working our education system is not working my mother asks why I'm not working tax-cuts are not working cell phones are not working tornado sirens are not working celebrities want to be left alone when they're not working UI will pay you $330/month for not working the government in Sacramento is not working we only have video, the sound's not working the situation is not working security's not working US foreign policy is not working affirmative action is not working war is not working my msn messenger is not working the television remote control not working AIDS Policies are not working this Web site is not working the lines of communication are not working the password is not working something is not working ATMs are not working the plumbing's not working you're doing what you're doing and it's still not working pest control is not working next week he's on vacation and not working her lungs are not working photo finish machines are not working a worm strikes a computer then it's not working your car's not working it's not an issue unless it is not working the system's not working Terry's complaining his shoulder's not working healthcare is not working the flight data recorder was not working dishwashing machine was not working the parole system is not working the tv's not working the radio's not working the gas-pumps are not working the game-plan is not working the experiment's not working what we have is not working the homeland security warning-system is not working 13 percent of business-school graduates are not working the automated system is not working the coalition forces are not working the power's not working the electricity is not working escalators are not working what I've been teaching our kids is not working condom dispensing machines are not working the strategy is not working the business model is not working retirees are not working free-trade policies are not working there is fear if it's not working a refrigerator storing portobello mushrooms is not working federal dollars shouldn't be used for things that are not working the earpiece is not working monetary policy is not working neighborhood cleanups are not working the 'customer is always right' policy is not working parts of the brain that interpret emotion are not working Balkan unity is just not working the Davis' strategy is not working self-regulation is not working the fire alarms are not working prohibition is not working you're joking around too much with the customers and not working the 'let's wait and see' is not working stomach implants designed to reject alcohol are not working the refineries are not working the current legislation not working employed people drink more heavily than those not working Germany is not working the microphones were not working control measures are not working police policing themselves is obviously not working the machines are not working my pager's not working your voice-mail is not working I have a great deal of time when I'm not working when you love what you do you're not working when he bats left-handed it's not working when we're not in session we're not working you're less appealing to employers when you're not working reform is not working the church is not working capitalism is not working the free market is not working no one ever takes responsibility for the damn thing not working the medicine is not working people get restless when they're not working I go fishing all the time when I'm not working my double life is not working chemotherapy treatments are not working the meter is still not working the effort to combat terrorism is not working the romantic formula is not working Hilary Duff is a normal 15-year-old girl when she's not working the water is not working my right arm is not working the fax number's not working the protest vote is not working appliances are not working half of those certified as an MCSE are not working you can't stay out of trouble if you are not working it seems to me that something is just fundamentally not working ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:49:02 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <000401c362bc$d97764c0$5f016ace@satellite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII excellent! -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:28:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And I just sat around watching national and local coverage -- not writing such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening struck, despite what PM Chretian said. Martha Deed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:28:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Walter Ong 1912-2003 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed this from Lori Ostergaard here at ISU >>For those who have not heard the news, Father Ong died Tuesday evening, >>around 9PM. He had been hospitalized for pneumonia. He was 90. >> >>We will all miss such an inspiring mind. >> >>Press release here: >>http://www.slu.edu/readstory/homepage/2974 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: twill gifts Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 16. F.W. Murnau thinks in red strings. Gesso, or some swung impact, the essence of a finger touching blushes from sullen nests he wonders, pressed once again like this bruise, this shade of a bitemark, Barnabus leaves with twill gifts. Sure, I thought you were some twisted of a twin of me, annotated maybe but quite seperate and almost crystal. Don't use the word, "nude," while my elopes scarp pungeant, almost your diaphonous pageant, and then and then and then and ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:54:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: granite arms and army grains: Swell, a parable and a paradiddle, or not a good day poem in disguise and 4/4 time. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit granite arms and army grains: Swell, a parable and a paradiddle, or not a good day poem in disguise and 4/4 time. 1. as regards legal man, track 11, track 7, hyperballad, the transplants july 4th into 5th on a plane, a westjet going east, an anime episode then some chess against Alekhine on the computer. A carven image of craven history shields a dear Michael, this is as much a letter to you as it is what it looks like I'm writing, in the air between Toronto and Calgary again, in flight, I wish you could see how beautiful she looks asleep against the black sky--- the volume falls down, the brightness down, engage not so much like electricity but more agate per kilometer, closes and closer than, if there is some mathematical symbol for the sound of your voice, the timbre, the time you whispered "as you like it" on stage, a staged hedge, the way it dreams on high, wah this year looks up, or will, and it'll be the first time in about three years that I've swam in a yard (substitute squirmed at will), and the Toronto airport ban on planes landing prior to 6:30AM reminds me that airplanes would shake my grandmother's apartment in rexdale when I was younger and she was alive, that we're still climbing, again and again and (she was a racist) again, that's the longpoem when you've gathered it, a near miss understood for its clasped hands as a flight attendant. When she stands, when she isn't asleep, you should see her smile, it's four o'clock in the morning, Toronto time, I'm going straight to a cottage, not a cabin and I'm going to need some breakfast before the sun fully rises, before noontide! a dance, dense food ridden moon, hidden behind 'do many words', I mean clouds man. it is certain that I wander weak and weary, however, the fact is our captain is in near complete control, we still can't figure out how to master the weather and for that it will always stand as some sort of paragon outside, on the horizon, beyond capital, at its whim. in a bottle, rain in a can, water at your command, c:\weatherinvaneornot, given, graven, in craven, the blackest of windows can't bird anymore, it is a canvas, our eyelids only a temporary rose coloured boundary. even if we don't see, there, patchwork Saskatchewan I'm wading for under my mettle. sun blue eastside, posh, ain't it, not a poetics of frushtration or a frustrated poetics, come with me, my love, to the sea, the sea of love, it moves me, to the loo, see, a dancing alphabet, and an alphabetic dance, some diseased pretzels of language salted for your pleasure, but no wind in the can can line, can't be broken. if time is in fact a tidal force, then I can certainly feel it wrapped around my temples and pulling me back, my head screams in planes. that our words will have to change once we're eastern again, I'm not aware that I say Cal-gary now instead of Calgry, that I say Toe-Ron-Toe instead of Traaanah, her eyebrows move in her sleep, stampede. dreams, pancakes and steers by Dr. Clark hiself, oh, clouds reform with light edges on one side, the other partially unborne at this early hour, sirens, time for sleeptime for less. a lucky banner wavers, worn through fatigue, eaten drum solos, frail lift of voice through, through, a poetics through, tunnels and channels, tsinor, not a network, a knot even oddly, an illuminated network, no, friends, not even a mast to be tied against this high, there is not a larger audience, rocks, or else as passengers, we pretend to keep certain illustrations, it doesn't matter to the guy in the seat in front of me whether or not I'm writing this poem or playing chess, nothing will change this quickly, if it does, then it is most likely as oppressive, television and film, video games, computers, it gets me down, that gets me down, dear Michael, delirious thoughts to you this moonlit early morning from a plane somewhere between Calgary and Toronto, over the praries, maybe my friends jill an d paul in Manitoba, but I must sleep and will write more, soon. Part 2, area glories (stands in for beautiful sounding nonsense): a farewell transmission in reverse still in a both ears a balanced s wing feet step stop stomp that fall in Japanese during an other episode we put ourselves into land gears go down and click furrowed, fallowed were you followed? into and out of that small door a window on a plane a sh fault look out red sun morn have been warned sometimes it is easier to just pretend it jumps around the horizon it's easier that way, the sun tired eyes break fast for a smile it is still four in the am through the machine's gears the oil I am the noise on the stairs a net do not stir in your sleep some swelter heat waves and a biplane what would be a trip into interior BC for a salmon's arm? have we descended? some nude and some stairs? some cases? down in planes, a crumble backwise for wards, a front tremble in the pairs, tremulous slide guitar, lap steel, Milton forged punctuation as/on the might of industry, demonstrates: the irrelevant pond downtown, a, an empty center, a show, left for posterity, to humour what got us that far a(ny)way. there used to be a dog food plant somewhere across the street from Mill Pond where those new condos went up. and it used to reek, to turn my stomach when- ever we went to get scott's chicken. there was this time when I was a kid that a monster, some inflated plastic thing rose out of the pond to the delight and terror of Milton's inhabitants. in hindsight, this is a significant point--- the monster of a past industry, an industry which sustained a community, risen in its empty, plastic rage as a spectre, aged into foolishness against the new steel factories glistening near the railroad tracks. b) never really asleep, no one gets it right. real truth, a golden apple, bring the bough down under, into the shade of its own bulk. corpuscle, mapped fat, rendered capital: that all of our industry should only end in an incredibly obese future. progress through your meal. find gretel and get her into a nice apron, barefoot and pregnant to feed that hungry witch out the western window---- just between the clouds and whatever is above, that thin line not quite blue or white, nor yellow, just distance. "the big star is fallen". attendant, we wait in the path of its decline. needlessly busy inventing arcs to pretend global warming could actually be a natural phenomenon; a recurring lapse to cleanse the planet, maybe. 3. writing through writing through this most miserable human time embarrassed and ashamed, not in the unborn eyes, rather at the very fact of existing now. changing channels so easily, all at your leisure, not to suggest hard work is preferable, more human, or natural, simply that we've spoiled ourselves into perpetually spoiling. caught in our own net woven from plastic, clouds and time. dip it into the water, pull yourself out, and blink. look around at the things you run out of when you forget to run. the only writing possible is a writing through. a lake form viewed from above, by plane, a shadow of grey on a uniform off-whiteness. rallied around the lowest point of gravity. see a 'you' there. the great attractor is a sink hole. heavy yet empty drain where debris like you and I are swept along by a perpetual forward fall. we call this turbulence, this momentary resistance, this flotsam we hold. if we invent the game then it is impossible for us to lose. illusion breeds competition, in this case, for our share of the market. such a small and relatively empty center, a sinkhole for the country. tried tired. switched and levered, ballast and gear. be simple again, not stupid, gentle breeze, cabin pressure, automated response smile, nod, not stupid, learned form, understood societal maintenance. thank you for f)lying. 4. check for frauds in that line up above, check it again. frauds. check frauds. again, cheak frads the bear and kilt of Wyoming. get you out a criminal garrote. Grace. Fraud. thanks for the bike you leant me. it got me home. how do you know I told the truth? it was a good question. in that line up above. enque. the ink you, there. the English language has never been home. diphthong fish on! and you caught your lure in the trees above where it stayed for hundreds of years in theory. fish have maximized, swam up the rivers into your veins. epicarp. I caught a pike. two smallmouths and loads of jackfish. b) hello va wonderment last evening with Barlow a Go! eye scream for visual events sing twilight seen art against the backdrop of eyes that and carnival a french -esque insistence on the 'want' and 'to know' of 'the' person can I count on you when it is night? that moment between a day in Toronto and friends in flight from Calgary no one moves no one gets hurt honey from heaven manna from Manitoba always these poems in motion across provinces or providences lines and byways not a journal more a transcanadian map or a pan- to wide angle some gold from the river a tall can of high life on the way to the cottage (not cabin) along the edge of dough lake a wallet from the waves in the wake an optometrist's SPECIAL DELIVERY in livery I liver or Y not just a play with words what is the state poetry could cut through not cut up or randomized not egoless or as much as a government anyway in turmoil again in words as much as in Milton that flight from a pinnacle said the view up and the view down only a matter of perception what is the perceived matter? a universe of stars and rock and roll Calgary Klein with a pie in his face and two in the bush buds and bicycles last night at the paddock after légèr streetcar away turbulent plane ride memory bad times over wünderland into Toronto a golf course view or else patchwork farms brown gold and green what with all of this snow the summer harvest should swell doesn't run down form any mountains in our area here rivers run north and we still can't control rain it is often said that in the case of a level 3 drought the safest place to be is on a golf course, to find water as unpredictable, this is what I would like to do today sit at the window three flights above Dupont with the glass panels opened into the room a slight breeze and cat across the road Malika and Rudy hold slides up to the light of beautifully stitched canvas lines gotten longer stitched all naturally from the left to the right a tapestry tapped, mapped into the gridform on our left bought the mc5 cd with kick out the jams on it yesterday while Rudy shopped the boutiques for clothes within Toronto our versions slightly differ mine more Bathurst and Bloor or College west of Bathurst maybe Spadina toward Queen, etc where your rental car waits near the people's breakfast new gallery district called the distillery I guess not enough to play my brothers and sisters for curses and nurses not enough to just settle into trickery or content yet the sitcom of Canadian poetry remains and the hour long drama of the university looms literary magazine news programs litter the streets with the only exceptions duly noted in an open letter which must mean a C or L some would say U regret it right and carry your laundry down the street might not immediately make cements and dollars to boot around call it SOLD or maybe ask for $800 while our currency stands hot against the United States always that comfortable relation to and while people slither across lines notes transparencies and dear Michael early morn sun writes know that a street lined with trees downtown isn't like any other nor can it promise the same shade as one say in my backyard in Milton or perhaps the foliage around your native Ayr this Ontario summer heat so unlike Calgary's dry stillness cold breeze and hot sunshine down tempo leaves tattooed on our skin by the sun, dark patches mapped along your spine and thighs down tempo camera angles a giant oak tree and the sky over the red brick school house might fall one day give me your hand, hold my head in your lap down tempo rest your lips when they weary just here beside my mouth 4. just because a several case of patio anxiety garnered chocolate enclosures as they melt. in our pockets not in your mouth. embrace from the photographer. can I count on you when it's time? 5. yesterday it isn't so much the clock on my wrist that haunts me now. more a sensation of blood movement. a round. lift of the arms, and empty granite embrace just under the loam. surface hubris and peat sod, lawn, yard. pull the grass covers apart. open into an intimate conversation between the bark on the may tree back home (wherever that may be) and the oaks in high park. graft poem to splice verbs under the moon skin. wander away with water falls or whiter clouds across a yellowed moon. night flight, float along star lake. games and honey, land of. hate that it always sounds this way. 6. a belligerent, spell correction beatbox or fabricator "Have a healthy mistrust today" --- not me. 7. yesterday best friend empty arms. the hole banks make. fill it with tears and call that a pond. land torn asunder. clean dirt from under your fingernails. that dull machine ache inside your chest can make you still. stir there, and wait no longer for a shadow to ripen your eyelids. it isn't dreams that settle down through the street lights along Walmer. not this stormy July 15, 2003. my mind full, thoughts rumble around your face, her face, my friend's sadness. a challenge of the forest and the terrible truth of the trees. the ones we used to climb and leap from when we were smaller. freefall at the mirrored night sky. don't dream. our world isn't empty enough just yet to anticipate the echoes to justify such a loud voice. not even today. 8. fake potatoes--- an msg song poly saturday unsaturated math, eat well-cooked spatulas. my face drains in the summer months. mostly necessitated by ragweed, pollen (often of a poplar variety) or hay. 9. nobody moves nobody gets hurt classic bidis in the Dupont afternoon heat. traffic. a kind of mumble over the Stars disc. mom calls because we need a ride home from the airport tomorrow. nine AM. 10. next year's program won't happen all at once or in French at all. Yevtushenko shouts clean mirrors at the summer television line ups. transplants and trans factories. contacts help you to see, a long list of people you know. forms your subdivision from the other cells, a mitosis of urban plans, streets, cyto-, a migration into a several phase of casio limnality, that is, stands for the words fuck you. a burling. or villa from oak. southwestern Ontario into a bleary day. heat waves and distances traveled. books and boats to launch, maybe front the harbour and invest some monkey into a district as empty as the historical intention of its building. 11. white chocolate ache for breakfast with a side order of chips this, MS word won't let me misnumber. it changes my format to aid in composition. it isn't a new idea, but I think the hidden ghost writer of the twenty-first century will be the word processing programs we use(d) to write. dear Michael, now your name, so what is it, who is close to god? next to god? baggage of advance, the progress of etymologies. out the door. "fuck the fuckin backstabbin cunts". make. mismake me a garden that doesn't tend. currency should be served tender, medium, a cold medium, well, rare, that rarity increases value. pynchon in the subway system. some current chutney. could be called five or V: pubis and funnel down drain way or valley; an insistence on mountains arises again, since valleys imply or necessitate the presence of peaks as much as vice versa. and both negate a whole lifeline, animal web and scatter text. there are these tiny two or three feet tall trees about three thousand feet into the air that have been alive for centuries on a mountain near Jasper. you can see them from the road as an uneven green horizontal line against the grey mount. the sun, it never remembers. and your ideologies aren't walls, the sky isn't perched to fall, don't go and tell the king, rumourmonger. not today. maybe not today. just like any other. deadalus' biplane but we always remember the descent of icarus (which sounds a lot like a misplaced understanding of the message, not necessarily don't fly to close to the sun.). dear Michael, that these things are not about you just written to you. with love, ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:29:56 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: American justice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,1019096,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:14:00 -0400 Reply-To: npiombino@aaahawk.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "npiombino@aaahawk.com" Subject: Nick Piombino's weblog *fait accompli* You are cordially invited to visit my weblog *fait accompli* http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ 25,000 hits since May 24, 2003 ----- Original Message Follows ----- > There are 21 messages totalling 1459 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. > 2. backchannel W.B. Keckler Address > 3. Bush went AWOL > 4. Places to read in Eugene, Oregon? > 5. Fife~Zen > 6. Catherine Meng, Chris Daniels, and, David Hess > 7. Encyclopoetica > 8. Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Five) > 9. Amiri Baraka's daughter murdered > 10. very sad news > 11. Fulcrum 3 theme CLARIFICATION + submission dates > 12. Fwd: ANOMALOUS IS CLOSING > 13. recently I cooked in a microwave > 14. Baraka's daughter shot (dead). > 15. Black August in Albany > 16. final call, postmark by friday 8/15 > 17. The sky is falling! > 18. Fugitive Grime > 19. utility problem (3) > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > ------------ > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:45:39 -0700 > From: alexander saliby > Subject: > > Matt, > In your piece, you wrote: > "(Oil is at the bottom of the American Empire)"=20 > > And you miss a critical point. Allow me to correct your > error by = adjusting your sentence: > > "England is at the bottom of the American Empire." =20 > > And, in truth, Matt, England is at the bottom of the > troubles in the = Middle East. =20 > > Imagine how the English would react were a foreign nation > to plunder a = portion of the land around Liverpool, say > carve out a parcel of land = large enough to represent an > Israel, and suppose that foreign nation, = who assisted > the incoming, new residents to win the early wars with the > = locals Brits, then used its influence to talk America > into arming, = training and continuing to fund the > military of the newly arrived = residents. How might Mr. > Blair react to that scenario? =20 > > The Israeli's since 1948, with the aid and arms from > Britain and its = allies (most notably the then pointedly > Christian U.S.A.) have won = fourteen wars (14) against > their Arab neighbors...and still they have no = peace. > Nor will there be peace so long as there is an imposed > British = (American) intervention into the daily lives of > the people who populate = the lands.=20 > > And I should clarify this point, America (nee GWBush) is > not a culprit = in this crime; the limp-minded eli has > been a pawn in the British game, = again.=20 > > My problem with the situation is simply this: neither GWB > nor his tribe = of followers has the intellectual > perspicacity to recognize the fact = that they've been > played. That, in my estimation is a fine feather in = the > hat of Mr. Blair and the British government. Here, once > again, the = Brits have managed to take a losing hand and > trade it for a winner by = duping a silly, egotistical > youngster of a country. =20 > > "Will there ever be a real peace in the Middle East," you > ask?=20 > > Ask this while you are asking: "Will there be peace in > Ireland?"=20 > > If you are a graduate of an English or an American school > system and = have failed to think beyond the details > presented in your degree = program, you will answer those > questions by saying something like, = "There will be peace > in the region as soon as all factions learn to = accept > the dictates of the American (nee British) plan." =20 > > And at that statement, you'd be as wrong as your > predecessors who have = uttered similar words. =20 > > "So, Alex," you ask, "how should peace be pursued in the > region?" =20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 22:18:59 -0700 > From: Sheila Murphy > Subject: backchannel W.B. Keckler Address > > If anyone has Bill Keckler's email address, or if you > are on here, Bill, can you backchannel me contact > information? > > Thanks = Sheila Murphy > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:57:35 -0400 > From: Patrick Herron > Subject: Bush went AWOL > > http://www.awolbush.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:07:42 -0700 > From: "Walter K. Lew" > Subject: Places to read in Eugene, Oregon? > > Dear List: > I'm going to be in Eugene, OR mid-October and wd like to > set up a reading (or talk) from my books. If you have any > suggestions for the area (I guess Salem and Corvallis > aren't far away), aside from the U. of Oregon's bookstore, > I'd appreciate it. Back-channel's o.k. Thanks, > > Walter K. Lew > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:37:47 -0700 > From: Lewis LaCook > Subject: Fife~Zen > > 15. > > > It could even have been the pull > of nightbirds talking > in the depths of feverish leaves. > > Spooning Anemone > an effort, > but I, symi'd > with anonymity, > > am too busily murdering. > Yi! Yi! dragging guttered > violins, threading it > through my blood. > > > > ===== > > > NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone > http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ > > http://www.lewislacook.com/ > > tubulence artist studio: > http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design > software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:34:54 -0700 > From: kari edwards > Subject: Catherine Meng, Chris Daniels, and, David Hess > > Dear Friends, > > I'm inordinately pleased to announce the first in a > series of House Readings, in the fine local tradition > recently re-established by David Hadbawnik's friday > night reading series. Only this time it's in Oakland. > > Well, the first reading is in Oakland but expect a > reading in a living room near you soon: namely, kari > edward's house in San Francisco and Taylor Brady's new > east bay location, later this fall. More will be > revealed. > > The details? You are invited to come eat, drink, chat > and listen to poetry from Catherine Meng, Chris > Daniels, and, visiting from St. Louis: David Hess! > > next Wednesday, August 20, readings to begin at 7:30 > > at Stephanie Young's house > 434 36th Street > Oakland, 94609 > (directions below) > > Please bring a snack or something to drink. I'm going > to make pie. And ice cream. > > THE READERS: > > Catherine Meng is an east coast ex-pat who has been > living & writing in Berkeley for the past 3 years > after time in both Montana and New Mexico. She has a > strong sense of spatial awareness but is very poor at > math. > > Chris Daniels was born in 1956 in NYC and moved to the > Bay Area in 1981. His translations of lusophone poetry > have appeared in many literary journals. "On the > Shining Screen of the Eyelids," published by Manifest > Press, is his first book of translations. > > David Hess graduated from St. Louis University High > School in 1992. He attended Brown University where he > met many poets and wrote many poems. He's had poems, > essays and reviews published in such magazines as > Jacket, Mungo vs. Ranger, Skanky Possum, Flashpoint, > Shampoo, Quid, The Baffler and VeRT. David has worked > many jobs. Some may be familiar with his editorship at > Ladue News=92 now defunct monthly insert Gentlemen=92s > Club. If you=92re not, you don=92t know what you were > missing. As far as poetry goes, David continues to > write it despite the pain it causes him and others. He > once described his poetic style as =93a punk Wallace > Stevens=94 and his criticism as =93Hans Gadamer on > acid.=94 Skanky Possum, out of Austin, TX, published a > chapbook, Cage Dances, in 2001. In January 2003 David > started a weblog =96 =93Heathens in Heat=94 =96 where he > routinely posts writing, commentary and > expletive-laced digressions on the nature of mortal > existence. > > DIRECTIONS TO STEPHANIE'S HOUSE: > > I'm located at 434 36th Street, in Oakland. 36th > Street runs parallel to MacArthur Blvd. and between > Broadway and Telegraph Ave. > > If you are driving from the city, I strongly suggest > you plug my address into Mapquest (www.mapquest.com) > or contact me directly and I can deluge you with > paragraphs of instructions. > > For those of you coming via public transit, MacArthur > BART is the closest. You can walk to my house from > there. As you exit the BART station, walk through the > parking lot and out the back right hand side. You'll > exit onto Telegraph Ave. and the next light will be > MacArthur Blvd. Continue up Telegraph, through the > light, and then cross to the other side of the street. > 36th St. will be your second left. Walk up 36th. I am > towards the top of the street, on the left hand side. > The house is white / off white. > > IMPORTANT: I am the lower flat. Walk up the driveway - > you'll see a garage in the back with a scary-silly > blue puppet face. You'll also see my white honda > civic. > The door is up the driveway on the left hand side. > I'll have a sign posted near the street pointing you > my way. > > If all else fails: the phone # is 510-428-9584 > > Hope to see you there! > Stephanie > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:35:46 -0700 > From: August Highland > Subject: Encyclopoetica > > Encyclopoetica > > > www.encyclopoetica.com/8.html > www.encyclopoetica.com/9.html > www.encyclopoetica.com/10.html > www.encyclopoetica.com/11.html > www.encyclopoetica.com/12.html > > > > > august highland > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: > 8/4/2003 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:40:35 -0700 > From: August Highland > Subject: Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Five) > > Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Five) > > > app lica tion (a cal cul ato r) > eO f to day > s m icro pro ces sor s > k9 5% go int o e mb edd > ed app > lica tion s > "S SH 3/4 (H itac > hi): be st s > elli ng RIS > C m > icro pro ces sor > k5 0% of mic > rop roc ess or rev > enu > e s tem > s fr om em > bed ded > sys tem s > eO ften foc use d o n p art icu > lar app > lica tion are a > kM icro con tro ller > s > kD SP s > kM edi a P roc ess ors > kG rap hic s P roc ess ors > kN etw ork an d C > om mu nic atio > n P roc ess ors > F00 15 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > Mea sure men t To ols > eH ard wa re: Co > st, del ay, are > a, p ow er e > stim > atio n > eB enc hm ark s, T > rac es, Mi xes > eS imu > lati on (m any > le vel s) > kI SA , R T, G > ate , C ircu > it > eQ ueu ing Th eor y > eR ule s o f Th > um b > eF und > am ent al " Law > s"/ Pri nci ple s > F00 16 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > Rev iew : > Per form > anc e, C ost, Pow > er > F00 17 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > Met ric 1 > : Pe rfor man > ce > *T ime > to run the tas k > -E xec utio n ti me , re spo > nse tim e, l ate ncy > *T ask s p er d > ay, ho ur, we ek, se c, n > s ... > -T hro ugh > put , ba ndw > idth > Pla ne > Bo ein g 7 47 > Co nco > rde > Sp eed > 610 mp h > 135 0 m ph > DC to Par is > 6.5 ho urs > 3 h our s > Pas sen ger s > 470 132 > Thr oug > hpu t > 286 ,70 0 > 178 ,20 0 > In p ass eng er-m > ile/ hou > r > F00 18 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > Mea suri ng P > erfo rma nce > e2 ke y a spe > cts > kE xec utio n ti me > kT hro ugh > put > kM aki ng one > fas ter ma > y s low > the oth er > eC om par ing pe rfo rm anc > e > kp erf orm > anc e = 1/e > xec utio n ti me > kI f X is n ti me s fa > ste r th > an Y > kI mp > rov ed per for ma nce > == > d ecr eas ing XE Q t ime > Exe cut ion tim > e Y > Exe cut ion tim > e X > = N > Pag e 4 > F00 19 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > Mea suri ng P > erfo rma nce > Go od ide a, b > ut w > hat do we co unt ? > eS eve ral kin ds of " > tim e" > kS top wa tch > tim > e - it's wh > at t he use > r ca res ab out , bu > t is > dep end ent on > "L oad , I/O de lay s, O > S o ver hea > d > kC PU tim > e - tim e s pen > t co mp utin > g y our > pro > gra m > "F act ors ou t tim > e s pen > t w aiti ng for I/O > de lay s > "B ut, inc lud es the OS > + y our pr ogr > am > kH enc e s yst em CP > U t ime > an d u ser CP > U t ime > F00 20 > CS /EE > 58 10 > CS /EE > 68 10 > OS Tim e > eU nix "ti me " c om > ma nd rep ort s > ku ser CP > U t ime > ks yst em CP > U t ime > kt ota > l el aps > ed tim e > k% of ela pse > d ti me tha > t is us er + > sy ste m C > PU tim > e > "T ells ho w m > uch tim e y ou spe > nt w > aiti ng > eB ew are ! > kO S's ha ve a w > ay of u > > > august highland > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > > > > > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.507 / Virus Database: 304 - Release Date: > 8/4/2003 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:48:07 -0700 > From: mIEKAL aND > Subject: Amiri Baraka's daughter murdered > > Newark shaken by the loss of selfless role model > > Shani Baraka was the quiet star of city's prominent family > > > Thursday, August 14, 2003 > > > BY BARRY CARTER AND JEFFERY C. MAYS > Star-Ledger Staff > > > Amiri Baraka is a nationally recognized poet and social > activist who was one of the leading voices of the black > power and black arts movement of the 1960s and'70s. > > His son, Ras Baraka, followed in his footsteps, becoming > active in Newark city issues, reciting his poetry on > Lauryn Hill's debut album and, more recently, on the > nationally televised Def Poetry Jam. > From our Advertisers > > > > Amiri Baraka's daughter, Shani Baraka, went about things > in a quieter way. > > A math and science teacher at Vailsburg Middle School and > assistant basketball coach at Malcolm X Shabazz High > School, she upheld the family tradition of reaching out to > young people. > > Shani Baraka, 31, and her friend Rayshon Holmes, 30, of > Irvington were found shot dead Tuesday in the family room > of the Piscataway home of Shani Baraka's sister. > > In Newark, word of Shani Baraka's death hit hard. > > "We are hurting because this family is such an important > part of the Newark community," said Mayor Sharpe James, > who was visibly distraught. > > "The Baraka family have been activists at articulating the > concerns of the people," said state Sen. Ronald Rice. > "They've been in the forefront of making government pay > attention to certain issues." > > By 10 a.m. yesterday, cars were doubled-parked in front of > the home of Amiri Baraka and his wife, Amina, on South > 10th Street, a tree-lined block in the city's South Ward. > > A stream of close friends, family members, community > activists and city officials stopped by to express > condolences. On the street outside the house there were > hugs and tears as people remembered the young woman. > > "Everybody loved Shani," said a teary-eyed Ras Baraka, her > brother and a deputy mayor in Newark. "She was the best > one out of all of us." > > "Shani was so full of life," Amiri Baraka said. "This is > inconceivable." > > One visitor was Newark School Superintendent Marion A. > Bolden, who hugged Ras Baraka. > > "This hurts personally because Shani's such a sweet > person. She was one of us. She went to school here and > came back after college to teach, coach and be a role > model for our children," said Bolden. > > Rep. Donald Payne (D-10th Dist.), said, "She was always > cheerful and she kept a smile on her face." > > Community activist Patrick Council called Shani Baraka's > death "a definite loss to the community, especially to the > women in the community. > > "She was a good spirit. She was high-energy," Council > said. "That's the kind of stuff the community needed. And > she demanded it (energy) back. She always wanted you to > feel like she felt." > > Shani Baraka was a top student-athlete at Johnson C. Smith > University in Charlotte, N.C. She was an outstanding > basketball point guard, once named co-player of the year > by the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association. She > graduated summa cum laude in 1994. > > Friends and family said that even though Shani Baraka was > 5-foot-1, she was a tough, feisty and quick all-around > guard with a nice jump shot, who didn't like to lose. > > "She was a tough player who didn't back down from anybody > ," said Valerie Barnes, head girls basketball coach at > University High School in Newark and Shani Baraka's high > school coach. > > Shani got her start in coaching at University High School > under Barnes. She had aspirations to be a head coach and > moved to Shabazz High School, a larger basketball program, > where she was assistant coach for the past three years. > Last year the team, which won the state Tournament of > Champions, was recognized as one of the best girls teams > in the nation. > > Ras Baraka said Shani was enrolled at Saint Peter's > College in Jersey City and was one year away from > completing her master's in administration and supervision. > With those credentials, colleagues said, Shani could have > become a vice principal or an athletic director, although > she liked to coach. > > "She was just in her prime," Ras said. "She was trying to > buy a house. She was 30 years old. She was trying to begin > to make stuff happen in her life." > > Shani was already making things happen with her Vailsburg > students and the players at Shabazz. > > "She always said: 'Discipline, basketball, life,'" said > Princess Porter, a member of the Shabazz Lady Bulldogs > championship team, who will attend the University of the > District of Columbia in the fall. > > "She told us that if we are going to be tough on the > basketball court, we had to be tough in life," she said. > > Beyond being an assistant coach, Shani Baraka was the > go-to person when the players needed someone to talk to. > > Her players said she kept in touch with their problems, > and she knew the finer details of their lives, including > their birthdays. > > "She was always there," said Jamillah White, 16, a junior. > > Last Friday, Shani Baraka came to Jamillah's side at a > funeral for her cousin, who had been shot eight times. > > It was the last time they spoke, Jamillah said. > > Recently, Shani Baraka coached the Newark girls basketball > team to a gold medal in the U.S. Youth Games in San > Francisco. In the past, Baraka had served as an assistant > coach. "This year, Shani coached the team herself ... and > she brought the gold medal home," James said. > > Porter said she will dedicate the rest of her basketball > career to her assistant coach. > > "She always said there was more to life than basketball," > Porter said. "Every time I play, I'm going to remember my > coach because she had such an impact on my life." > > Shani's death wasn't the first time that violence hit the > Baraka family. > > Amiri Baraka's sister, actress and dancer Kimako Baraka, > was stabbed to death in 1984 by a vagrant she tried to > help. > > "My sister and my daughter were killed by crazy men who > hate women," Amiri Baraka said. > > http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/ > 1060837826272460.xml > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:00:08 -0400 > From: Geoffrey Gatza > Subject: very sad news > > News Break =20 > 08/14/2003 04:25:04 EST Police: Poet Baraka's Daughter > Shot=20 > > > > A daughter of New Jersey's deposed poet laureate and > the = daughter's friend were found shot to death in a home > , authorities said = Wednesday. > > The bodies of Shani Baraka, 31, and Rayshon Holmes, > 30, were = discovered Tuesday night in the Piscataway home > that Shani Baraka shared = with her sister, according to > prosecutor Bruce Kaplan. > > Police were searching for Shani Baraka's > brother-in-law, James = Coleman, who also goes by the name > Ibn El-Amin Pasha, Kaplan said. = Coleman is the estranged > husband of Wanda Pasha, Shani Baraka's sister. = Coleman > was not called a suspect. > > Amiri Baraka, the former poet laureate, said Wanda > Pasha made = several domestic violence complaints against > Coleman, from whom she = separated in February. He said > Wanda Pasha was in Las Vegas at the time = of the > shootings. > > Kaplan said Coleman was not served with two > complaints and has = been considered a fugitive since > July. > > Amiri Baraka's post as poet laureate was eliminated > last month = after he wrote a poem suggesting that Israel > had advance knowledge of = the terrorist attacks of Sept. > 11, 2001. Investigators do not believe = the uproar over > the poem had anything to do with the shootings. > > =20 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:07:05 -0400 > From: Fulcrum Annual > Subject: Fulcrum 3 theme CLARIFICATION + submission dates > > The theme of Fulcrum's third issue, to appear in early > 2004, is "DIAGNOSIS: POETRY (Poetry, Psychology, > Psychiatry)." We would like to clarify that this thematic > constraint primarily concerns ESSAYS rather than poems. > Many (though not all!) of the essays in the issue will > explore the psychological and psychiatric dimensions, > circumstances, aspects, contexts, etc. of poetry. We > especially welcome essays by psychologists, psychiatrists > and cognitive scientists who wish to discuss poets and > poetry from this particular angle. > > We will also consider other essays on poetry. If you have > an essay in mind or in hand but are not sure whether it > fits the issue's editorial needs, please don't hesitate to > query (or simply send it along). Any suggestions and > recommendations are also most welcome. > > Poetry submissions are not expected to follow any specific > theme. Simply send us your best work! > > Fulcrum normally reads unsolicited submissions June > through August only, but this year we have extended the > reading period through September. > > Send submissions of poetry and essays to: > > Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. > Fulcrum Annual > 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 > Cambridge, MA 02139, USA > e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com (queries only) > > Please include a brief cover letter and SAE with > sufficient postage (postal stamps or IRCs). We regret > being unable to accept unsolicited submissions by email. > > Reading an issue of Fulcrum before submitting work is > highly RECOMMENDED. > > SUBSCRIPTION rates in the US are $15 per issue for > individuals, $30 for institutions. Overseas subscriptions > are $20 and $40 per issue, respectively. $5 discount on > 3-issue subscriptions. Send check or money order drawn in > US currency and payable to Fulcrum Annual to the editorial > address. NOTE: Copies of Fulcrum 1 ("A Map of > English-language Poetry") are still available for $15 > postpaid in the US, $20 overseas. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 06:07:27 -0500 > From: Herb Levy > Subject: Fwd: ANOMALOUS IS CLOSING > > This unfortunate news may be of interest to some of y'all > who are on the look out for recordings that are often hard > to find in the US and elsewhere. > > Bests, > > Herb > > >X-Sender: anomaly-1@zipcon.net > >X-Priority: 2 (High) > >Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:28:40 -0700 > >To: Recipient List Suppressed:; > >From: Anomalous Records mail order > >Subject: ANOMALOUS IS > CLOSING > > >At the end of August 2003, Anomalous Records will CLOSE. > > > >No more mail order. > >No more wholesale. > > > >No 'going-out-of-business' sale - if you want it, buy it > now before >we run out. > > > >Please get any orders in before August 25th, as we will > likely spend >the last week of August packing everything > up to put in storage. > > >Obviously, everything is limited to the stock on hand, > once it is >gone, it's gone. > > > >Why are we closing? Well, there are a lot of reasons. > Probably >most importantly is that Anomalous Records is > kept alive by me, Eric >Lanzillotta, putting in a lot of > unpaid overtime. Anomalous Records >is the result of a > lot of passion and drive. I have a lot of >passion for > the sounds we sell, and a lot of drive to do things the > >best I can. I pushed myself very hard because I believe > very much >in what I do with Anomalous Records. I am very > proud of what I have >accomplished, and it is a great part > of my life. In fact, it has >been most of my life for the > last 12 and a half years. Therein lies >the problem. In > pushing myself forward to make this work, I have >pushed > myself too far. In fact, I probably past my limits > several >years ago. Recently I have begun to notice the > negative side >effects of pushing myself so hard for so > long. Basically the stress >of doing this has taken its > toll. I have realized that I need to >stop now while I > can, and not just completely burn myself out. >Aside from > this, Anomalous is not all of my life. As a few of you > >will know, I have a son who will be turning 13 in a few > months. If >there is one thing that I regret about > Anomalous, it is not having >more time to spend with him. > > > >For those have of you who have been around long enough, > you will >know that through a lot of periods of Anomalous' > history, the >business has been run entirely by me. I > have had occasional helpers >over the years who I could > not have gotten by without (Danielle, >Daniel, Damion, > Sara, Jessica, Davey, Drew, Jeph, AJ, Rachael, >Isaac, > Jefferson, Matt, Monica, and another Daniel). Most > important >of these is Rachael Jackson, who has been > helping me for over 4 >years now and has become the public > face of Anomalous Records for >most people. To her > especially, I am indebted for all the time and >effort and > without whom Anomalous might have collapsed a while ago. > >We did put forward the idea of Rachael continue to run > Anomalous >without me, but it became apparent that she > could not handle running >the business (let alone how the > numbers were looking). Getting >someone outside to take > over what was so personal is also >unappealing. > > > >I owe many people thanks for help in making this dream > work for so >long. To make a list would be impossibly > long, and I would fear >leaving out someone important in > taking on such a long task. But I >would like to single > out a few people that I have especially high >gratitude > for: > > >KENT RANDOLPH > > > >NORIYASU NOGAI > > > >ROBERT MARZANO > > > >The support and faith these people have had in me over > years has >been instrumental. > > > >Likewise, the creative force of JEPH JERMAN has been an > important >inspiration through the entire history of > Anomalous Records. > > >Most of all, without TANITH LANZILLOTTA, I probably could > have not >kept going through it all. I thank him for all > his patience for >dad having to work late. > > > >But as I allude to above, there are hundreds more people > that helped >make this what it was. Everyone that bought > anything and all the >wonderfully talented and > underappreciated artists that have made up >the catalog > over the years. Anomalous has mainly been about a > >bringing together of people and sounds, and I hope I've > helped you >on this journey. > > > >Last, PLEASE do help us sell off the remaining stock by > buying. I >would very much like to keep the label side of > Anomalous Records >alive, but that depends on selling off > a lot of the stock we have on >hand. I am going to make > one last push to sell things over the next >two weeks, > then I must call it quits. We have a lot of wonderful > >things in the works such as releases by: >AMM > >Mnemonists / Biota > >Andrew Deutsch > >Ellen Fullman > >RLW > >Robert Millis' recordings from SE Asia > >and more.... > >Please help me save at least this part of my dream, and > thank again >for all your support over the years! > > > >This is actually a shortened version of everything going > through my >head lately. Maybe at some future point, I > will put something more >extended on the web site. Yes, > the web site will stay up on the >internet, but the > catalog will disappear. Also, the PO Box will >remain a > valid address. > > >Eric Lanzillotta > > > -- > Herb Levy > P O Box 9369 > Fort Worth, TX 76147 > > herb@eskimo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 10:32:53 -0700 > From: kari edwards > Subject: recently I cooked in a microwave > > recently I cooked in a microwave > > as always the phase merit was meet as good morning - as > always the=20 reverberation or what was thought as a > reinterpretation from distant=20 ruble was returned mail - > stamped family status incomplete. the blue=20 windowpane > was nothing but remnants of blocked intestines after a=20 > failed confession, where I repeated to my shelf, I shall > kill this body=20= > > unincorporated when given into another position. really it > had more to=20= > > do with the reported invasion not my internal combustion > or some=20 failure with the new fade of holy digressions. > coming down the hill=20 turning left after paying the toll > , an entire population of lemmings=20 was reawakening. to > late to fuss with nausea or the old I would walk a=20= > > mile further then a camel with my cordless replica and > pebble shoes.=20 this is my drano dildo hello to you, a > yellow jello mold howdy-do=20 contemplation on the second > hand - did someone say plastic cheese? I=20 meet > individually wrapped sealed and radiated for procreation > ,=20 something condoms that will wash pain away like jet > blue champaign. as=20= > > was mentioned in the state script, I extend my right hand > and say -=20 good morning , my you look smarter then ever > . . the bell curse is=20 surly wrong today . . . is that > a new outfit or just better gas milage.=20= > > I cross my legs, this is becoming a big problem and > totally=20 self-reflective. there is a live feeding > station and imitation=20 migration of cobra helicopters > from multiplex to the next base of=20 preventive medicine > - it=92s disney from patagonia, coca-cola or = freudian=20 > freedoina, with freewheeling netscape hard drive eternally > altered hot=20= > > sex DNA and an offering to reduce your debt with two > choices, to your=20= > > right rousseauian dinner flack jackets and on your right > we the lincoln=20= > > brigade tee=92s, one size fits all, just arriving late > from tea in = spain.=20 > I dance and feel the sound track of my tree of life beep, > I know=20 someone loves me. we play kick the dog, its not > a real dog, its an=20 laminated real dog, its not even us > kicking a laminated real dog, its a=20= > > video game, a sort of pick up stick. the real me has > someone's hand is=20= > > on a joy stick, the other hand holds a red flavored looney > tunes lolly=20= > > pop, my other hand is waiting for anything new to arrive > modem ad=20 infinitum.= > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 13:02:50 -0500 > From: Skip Fox > Subject: Baraka's daughter shot (dead). > > http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspoet143413925aug14 ,0,3593085.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-print > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 14:00:42 -0400 > From: Ian VanHeusen > Subject: Black August in Albany > > Forward this on and mark it down on your calender. Hope to > see everyone there > > > > >announcement (please forward widely): > > > >black august: underground hip hop and spoken word. > >a benefit for the albany jericho movement. > >august 31st, 8pm at the artist's all faith center, 453 n > pearl st. >$6 > > > >performers include: > > > >broadcast live: hip hop feat victorio reyes, author of > 'the rebirth of >krazy > >horse' > > > >zest rock & tracy jones: nyc hip hop > > > >soul kitchen, inc.: spoken word > > > >indigo: spoken word > > > >talib: spoken word > > > >alisa sikelianos: singer/songwriter > > > >for more information please contact dylan boyce @ > 436-0929 or >jericho@sunstillrising.com > > > >the Jericho Movement is a political prisoner support > group working to free >all political prisoners and abolish > the prison system. we are currently >compiling > biographical and case information on all nys political > prisoners >which we will print as a booklet. all funds > raised will go towards this >project. > > > >RESISTANCE: THE ORIGIN OF BLACK AUGUST > >Black August originated in the California penal system to > honor fallen >Freedom Fighters, Jonathan Jackson, George > Jackson, William Christmas, >James > >McClain and Khatari Gaulden. Jonathan Jackson was gunned > down outside the >Marin County California courthouse on > August 7, 1970 as he attempted to >liberate three > imprisoned Black Liberation Fighters: James McClain, > William >Christmas and Ruchell Magee. Ruchell Magee is the > sole survivor of that >armed > >liberation attempt. He is the former co-defendant of > Angela Davis and has >been locked down for 38 years, most > of it in solitary confinement. George >Jackson was > assassinated by prison guards during a Black prison > rebellion >at > >San Quentin on August 21, 1971. Three prison guards were > also killed during >that rebellion and prison officials > charged six Black and Latino prisoners >with the death of > those guards. These six brothers became known as the San > >Quentin Six. > > >Khatari Gaulden was a prominent leader of the Black > Guerilla Family (BGF) >after Comrade George was > assassinated. Khatari was a leading force in the > >formation of Black August, particularly its historical > and ideological >foundations. Khatari, like many of the > unnamed freedom fighters of the BGF >and the revolutionary > prison movement of the 1970's, was murdered at San > >Quentin Prison in 1978 to eliminate his leadership and > destroy the >resistance > >movement. > > > >The brothers who participated in the collective founding > of Black August >wore > >black armbands on their left arm and studied > revolutionary works, focusing >on > >the works of George Jackson. The brothers did not listen > to the radio or >watch television in August. Additionally, > they didn't eat or drink anything >from sun-up to sundown; > and loud and boastful behavior was not allowed. The > >brothers did not support the prison's canteen. The use of > drugs and >alcoholic > >beverages was prohibited and the brothers held daily > exercises, because >during Black August, emphasis is > placed on sacrifice, fortitude and >discipline. Black > August is a time to embrace the principles of unity, > >self- >sacrifice, political education, physical training > and resistance. >In the late 1970's the observance and > practice of Black August left the >prisons of California > and began being practiced by Black/New Afrikan > >revolutionaries throughout the country. Members of the > New Afrikan >Independence Movement (NAIM) began practicing > and spreading Black August >during this period. The > Malcolm X Grassroots Movement (MXGM) inherited >knowledge > and practice of Black August from its parent organization, > the >New > >Afrikan People's Organization (NAPO). MXGM through the > Black August >Collective (now defunct) began introducing > the Hip-Hop community to Black >August in the late 1990's > after being inspired by New Afrikan political >exile > >Nehanda Abiodun. > >Traditionally, Black August is a time to study history, > particularly our >history in the North American Empire. > The first Afrikans were brought to >Jamestown as slaves in > August of 1619, so August is a month during which > >Blacks/New Afrikans can reflect on our current situation > and our self- >determining rights. Many have done that in > their respective time periods. >In > >1843, Henry Highland Garnett called a general slave > strike on August 22. >The > >Underground Railroad was started on August 2, 1850. The > March on Washington >occurred in August of 1963, Gabriel > Prosser's 1800 slave rebellion occurred >on August 30 and > Nat Turner planned and executed a slave rebellion that > >commenced on August 21, 1831. The Watts rebellions were > in August of 1965. >On > >August 18, 1971 the Provisional Government of the > Republic of New Afrika >(RNA) was raided by Mississippi > police and FBI agents. The MOVE family was >bombed by > Philadelphia police on August 8, 1978. Further, August is > a time >of > >birth. Dr. Mutulu Shakur (political prisoner & prisoner > of war), Pan- >Africanist Black Nationalist Leader Marcus > Garvey, Maroon Russell Shoatz >(political prisoner) and > Chicago BPP Chairman Fred Hampton were born in >August. > August is also a time of rebirth, W.E.B. Dubois died in > Ghana on >August 27, 1963. > >The tradition of fasting during Black August teaches > self-discipline. A >conscious fast is in effect from 6:00 > am to 8:00 pm. Some other personal >sacrifice can be made > as well. The sundown meal is traditionally shared > >whenever possible among comrades. On August 31, a > People's feast is held >and > >the fast is broken. Black August fasting should serve as > a constant >reminder > >of the conditions our people have faced and still > confront. Fasting is >uncomfortable at times, but it is > helpful to remember all those who have >come > >and gone before us, Ni Nkan Mase, if we stand tall, it is > because we stand >on > >the shoulders of many ancestors. > >MXGM would like to thank the following for their > contribution to this >article: Kali Akuno, Kiilu Nyasha, > Ayanna Mashama, David Giappa Johnson, >Sundiata Tate, > Louis Bato Talamantez of the San Quentin 6 and The Malcolm > X >Grassroots Movement (MXGM). > > > >for more information please contact dylan boyce @ > 436-0929 > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > _______ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 > months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:00:46 -0400 > From: David Baratier > Subject: final call, postmark by friday 8/15 > > Annual Transcontinental Poetry Award by Pavement Saw Press > > Each year Pavement Saw Press will seek to publish at least > one book of poetry and/or prose poems from manuscripts > received during this competition. Selection is made > anonymously through a competition that is > > open to anyone who has not previously published a volume > of poetry or prose.The author receives $1000 and copies. > The judge of the competition > > will be announced after the contest. Previous judges have > included Bin Ramke, David Bromige and Howard McCord. This > years judge is Judith Vollmer. > > Last year two books were published. One chosen by the > judge (who won publication and monetary prize) and one by > the editor (whose book was published with a royalty > contract). > > All poems must be original, all prose must be original, > fiction or translations are not acceptable. Writers who > have had volumes of poetry and/or prose under 40 pages > printed or printed in limited editions of no > > more than 500 copies are eligible. Submissions are > accepted during the months of June, July, and until August > 15th. > > Entries must meet these requirements: > > 1. The manuscript should be at least 48 pages and no more > than 64 pages in length. > > 2. A cover letter which includes a brief biography, the > book's title, your name, address, and telephone number, > your signature, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail > address. It should also include a list of acknowledgments > for the book. > > 3. The manuscript should be bound with a single clip and > begin with a title page including the book's title, your > name, address, and telephone > > number, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail address. > Submissions to the > > contest are judged anonymously. > > 4. The second page should have only the title of the > manuscript. There are to be no acknowledgments or mention > of the author's name from this page forward. > > 5. A table of contents should follow the second title > page. > > 6. The manuscript should be paginated, beginning with the > first page of poetry. > > 7. There should be no more than one poem on each page. The > manuscript can contain pieces that are longer than one > page. > > Your manuscript should be accompanied by a check in the > amount of $15.00 > > (US) made payable to Pavement Saw Press. All US > contributors to the contest will receive at least one book > provided a self addressed 9 by 12 > > envelope with $1.60 postage attached is provided. Add > appropriate postage for other countries. For > acknowledgment of the manuscripts arrival, please include > a stamped, self-addressed postcard. For notification of > results, enclose a SASE business size envelope. A decision > will be reached in September. Do not send the only copy of > your > > work. All manuscripts will be recycled, and individual > comments on the manuscripts cannot be made. > > Manuscripts and correspondence should be sent to: > > Pavement Saw Press > Transcontinental Award Entry > P.O. Box 6291 > Columbus, OH 43206 > > > Submissions are accepted during the months of June, July, > and postmarked until August 15th only. > > http://pavementsaw.org > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:42:57 -0400 > From: Halvard Johnson > Subject: The sky is falling! > > The power's out here in NYC, and this is now on the NYT > online-- > > NEWS ALERT > Power Outages Reported Along East Coast; North to Toronto, > South to Maryland and West to Cleveland and Detroit (4:32 > PM ET) > > > Hal Serving the tri-state area. > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:30:06 -0500 > From: Harrison Jeff > Subject: Fugitive Grime > > gratefully give the body, > you on the streets, > tongues in the middle > of patience, > up to your neck > in unbroken sequence, > come back > to a more intimate setting, > intimate pauper silence > that dug under > spousal vindications > > the first brains that > provoke fishermen > serves the public preoccupation, > take it to make it > notes concentrated on business > hear me on formal introduction - > I could not, > were she alive, > bear this grace > ripening without me! > > gratefulness remains > to ask much of its grace, > ask if an implausible blustering > title warrants powerless feelings, > History's now my errand, > spirit was alone > to air grievances > no one could replace assent > snares hurried > to ocean-blued shipments > > __________________________________________________________ > _______ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months > FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 16:36:11 -0700 > From: Derek R > Subject: utility problem > > > the street lights are not working > air-conditioning is not working > airport screening is not working > the airports are not working > the elevators were not working > the road map (to peace) is not working > the railroad is not working > the subway is not working > President Taylor is not working > our education system is not working > my mother asks why I'm not working > tax-cuts are not working > cell phones are not working > tornado sirens are not working > celebrities want to be left alone when they're not working > UI will pay you $330/month for not working > the government in Sacramento is not working > we only have video, the sound's not working > the situation is not working > security's not working > US foreign policy is not working > affirmative action is not working > war is not working > my msn messenger is not working > the television remote control not working > AIDS Policies are not working > this Web site is not working > the lines of communication are not working > the password is not working > something is not working > ATMs are not working > the plumbing's not working > you're doing what you're doing and it's still not working > pest control is not working > next week he's on vacation and not working > her lungs are not working > photo finish machines are not working > a worm strikes a computer then it's not working > your car's not working > it's not an issue unless it is not working > the system's not working > Terry's complaining his shoulder's not working > healthcare is not working > the flight data recorder was not working > dishwashing machine was not working > the parole system is not working > the tv's not working > the radio's not working > the gas-pumps are not working > the game-plan is not working > the experiment's not working > what we have is not working > the homeland security warning-system is not working > 13 percent of business-school graduates are not working > the automated system is not working > the coalition forces are not working > the power's not working > the electricity is not working > escalators are not working > what I've been teaching our kids is not working > condom dispensing machines are not working > the strategy is not working > the business model is not working > retirees are not working > free-trade policies are not working > there is fear if it's not working > a refrigerator storing portobello mushrooms is not working > federal dollars shouldn't be used for things that are not > working the earpiece is not working > monetary policy is not working > neighborhood cleanups are not working > the 'customer is always right' policy is not working > parts of the brain that interpret emotion are not working > Balkan unity is just not working > the Davis' strategy is not working > self-regulation is not working > the fire alarms are not working > prohibition is not working > you're joking around too much with the customers and not > working the 'let's wait and see' is not working > stomach implants designed to reject alcohol are not > working the refineries are not working > the current legislation not working > employed people drink more heavily than those not working > Germany is not working > the microphones were not working > control measures are not working > police policing themselves is obviously not working > the machines are not working > my pager's not working > your voice-mail is not working > I have a great deal of time when I'm not working > when you love what you do you're not working > when he bats left-handed it's not working > when we're not in session we're not working > you're less appealing to employers when you're not working > reform is not working > the church is not working > capitalism is not working > the free market is not working > no one ever takes responsibility for the damn thing not > working the medicine is not working > people get restless when they're not working > I go fishing all the time when I'm not working > my double life is not working > chemotherapy treatments are not working > the meter is still not working > the effort to combat terrorism is not working > the romantic formula is not working > Hilary Duff is a normal 15-year-old girl when she's not > working the water is not working > my right arm is not working > the fax number's not working > the protest vote is not working > appliances are not working > half of those certified as an MCSE are not working > you can't stay out of trouble if you are not working > it seems to me that something is just fundamentally not > working > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 21:49:02 -0230 > From: Kevin Hehir > Subject: Re: utility problem > > excellent! > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:28:29 -0400 > From: Martha L Deed > Subject: Re: utility problem > > And I just sat around watching national and local coverage > -- not writing such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near > Niagara Falls, NY where, folks, the sun shone brightly > today and no lightening struck, despite what PM Chretian > said. > > Martha Deed > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 13 Aug 2003 to 14 Aug 2003 > (#2003-226) > ********************************************************** > **** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Listen to poet KATIA KAPOVICH on the Library of Congress Website Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.loc.gov/poetry/avfiles/kapovich.ram (58 minutes) A Russian poet and former literary dissident now living in the Cambridge, MA, Ms. Kapovich received a Witter Bynner fellowship from the Library of Congress in 2001. She writes in English as well as in Russian and co-edits the English-language poetry magazine, Fulcrum. Her poems have appeared in the London Review of Books, Ploughshares, Harvard Review, and many other literary journals. The collections of her work in Russian include a novel in verse, Suflior (The Prompter), published in 1998. Richard McKane's translations of her Russian poems have appeared in his anthologies, Poet for Poet (Hearing Eye, 1998) and Surviving the Twentieth Century: Ten Russian Poets (Anvil, 2001). ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:48:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <20030814.222830.152.1.mldeed1@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >And I just sat around watching national and local coverage -- not writing >such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, >folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening struck, despite >what PM Chretian said. > >Martha Deed Well, I was in Niagara Falls, Ont. a couple nights ago, and the lightning was hitting something every minute or less. -- George Bowering Lookin' good in shorts. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:47:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: "My Angie Dickinson" at 100 Comments: To: hub@dept.english.upenn.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, My serial work, "My Angie Dickinson" has reached 100 poems, perhaps its appropriately artificial end, perhaps not, I dunno. In any event you can see the poems and photos here: http://myangiedickinson.blogspot.com #100 A willful desert belle goes –– "mad" –– Trapped on –– an Occupied –– The government set –– Out to Penetrate –– "You haven’t called me you dirty bird." Pat Boone song with most weeks at #1? LOVE LETTERS IN THE SAND Bluntly –– within ear-shot forklifts –– Wrote, about the ampersand, _Oh William Shatner, how We store The Willful Blindness –– at the core!_ -m. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:36:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Looking for a copy of Sudden Magazine April 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A poem of mine appears in it. Anyone have a spare copy? I want to show it at a couple of poetry readings I'll be doing in the next month. If you have one available, please backchannel for my snail address. Martha Deed ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 15:54:33 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Four Rules For Poetic Success MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. People are plants. 2. The things you apologize for are the things you want. 3. Strength needs no excuse. *4. Just because it happened to you doesn't make it interesting. * - the most important rule for any and all writers (from a howard korder play/david salle film) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:04:52 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Fwd: [corp-focus] We Had a Democracy Once, But You Crushed It Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_54.1746c11a.2c6e96e4_boundary" --part1_54.1746c11a.2c6e96e4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal --part1_54.1746c11a.2c6e96e4_boundary content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We Had a Democracy Once, But You Crushed It By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman In yesterday's Washington Post, Condoleeza Rice, the President's National Security Advisor, writes the following: "Our task is to work with those in the Middle East who seek progress toward greater democracy, tolerance, prosperity and freedom. As President Bush said in February, =91The world has a clear interest in the spread of democratic values, because stable and free nations do not breed ideologies of murder. They encourage the peaceful pursuit of a better life.'" Now, if we only had a nickel for every time Bush, or Rice, or Colin Powell, or Paul Wolfowitz or Dick Cheney or Richard Perle or Donald Rumsfeld talked about bringing democracy to the Middle East. Talk, talk, talk. Here's something you can bet on: Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz will not hold a press conference this month to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the U.S.-led coup of the democratically elected leader of Iran -- Mohammed Mossa= degh. Rice and Powell won't hold a press conference to celebrate Operation Ajax, the CIA plot that overthrew the Mossadegh. That was 50 years ago this month, in August 1953. That's when Mossadegh was fed up with the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company -- now BP -- pumping Iran's oil and shipping the profits back home to the United Kingdom. And Mossadegh said -- hey, this is our oil, I think we'll keep it. And Winston Churchill said -- no you won't. Mossadegh nationalized the company -- the way the British were nationalizing their own vital industries at the time. But what's good for the UK ain't good for Iran. If you fly out of Dulles Airport in Virginia, ever wonder what the word Dulles means? It stands for the Dulles family -- Secretary of State John Foster Dulles and his brother, the CIA director, Allen Dulles. They were responsible for the overthrow of the democratically elected leader of Iran. As was President Theodore Roosevelt's grandson, Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA agent who traveled to Iran to pull off the coup. Now why should we be concerned about a coup that happened so far away almost 50 years ago this month? New York Times reporter Stephen Kinzer puts it this way: "It is not far-fetched to draw a line from Operation Ajax through the Shah's repressive regime and the Islamic revolution to the fireballs that engulfed the World Trade Center in New York." Kinzer has written a remarkable new book, All the Shah's Men: An American Coup and the Roots of Middle East Terror (Wiley, 2003). In it, he documents step by step, how Roosevelt, the Dulles boys and Norman Schwarzkopf Sr., among a host of others, took down a democratically elected regime in Iran. They had freedom of the press. We shut it down. They had democracy. And we crushed it. Mossadegh was the beacon of hope for the Middle East. If democracy were allowed to take hold in Iran, it probably would have spread throughout the Middle East. We asked Kinzer =96 what does the overthrow of Mossadegh say about the United States respect for democracy abroad? "Imagine today what it must sound like to Iranians to hear American leaders tell them -- =91We want you to have a democracy in Iran, we disapprove of your present government, we wish to help you bring democracy to your country.' Naturally, they roll their eyes and say -- "We had a democracy once, but you crushed it,'" he said. "This shows how differently other people perceive us from the way we perceive ourselves. We think of ourselves as paladins of democracy. But actually, in Iran, we destroyed the last democratic regime the country ever had and set them on a road to what has been half a century of dictatorship." After ousting Mossadegh, the United States put in place a brutal Shah who destroyed dissent and tortured the dissenters. And the Shah begat the Islamic revolution. During that Islamic revolution in 1979, Iranians held up Mossadegh's picture, telling the world =96 we want a democratic regime that resists foreign influence and respects the will of the Iranian people as expressed through democratic institutions. "They were never able to achieve that. And this has led many Iranians to react very poignantly to my book," Kaizer told us. "One woman sent me an e-mail that said =96 =91I was in tears when I finished your book because it made me think of all we lost and all we could have had.'" Of course, the overthrow of Mossadegh was only one of the first U.S. coups of democratically elected regime. (To see one in movie form, pick up a copy of Raoul Peck's Lumumba, now on DVD.) Kinzer's previous books include Bitter Fruit: The Story of the American Coup in Guatemala. He's thinking of putting together a boxed set of his books on American coups= . Get copies of Bitter Fruit and All The Shah's Men. Read them. And the next time a politician talks about spreading democracy around the globe, ask them about Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran, Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, and Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala. Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter, http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Multinational Monitor, http://www.multinationalmonitor.org. They are co-authors of Corporate Predators: The Hunt for MegaProfits and the Attack on Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press; http://www.corporatepredators.org). (c) Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman This article is posted at: . _______________________________________________ Focus on the Corporation is a weekly column written by Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman. Please feel free to forward the column to friends or=20 repost the column on other lists. 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If you would like to=20 comment on the columns, send a message to russell@nationalpress.com or=20 rob@essential.org. --part1_54.1746c11a.2c6e96e4_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:55:03 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Fwd: POWER OUTAGE TRACED TO DIM BULB IN WHITE HOUSE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1060980903-2465-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1060980903-2465-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *** There is an attachment in this mail. *** ------------=_1060980903-2465-0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Received: from gregpalast.com (unknown [207.36.17.246]) by imta09.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB84190 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:47:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gregpalast.com ([207.36.6.113]) by gregpalast.com with MailEnable ESMTP; Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:43:20 -0400 Content-type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:33:09 -0400 From: greg@gregpalast.com Subject: POWER OUTAGE TRACED TO DIM BULB IN WHITE HOUSE To: anastasios@hell.com Message-Id: <20030815134730.BFB84190@imta09.mta.everyone.net> POWER OUTAGE TRACED TO DIM BULB IN WHITE HOUSE --- THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90 MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED OFF OUR LIGHTS by Greg Palast Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (Penguin USA) and the worstseller, "Democracy and Regulation," a guide to electricity deregulation published by the United Nations (with T. MacGregor and J. Oppenheim). I can tell you all about the ne're-do-wells that put out our lights tonight. I came up against these characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power Company -- some years back. You see, before I was a journalist, I worked for a living, as an investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s, "NiMo" built a nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece of hot junk for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to New York State's electricity ratepayers. To pull off this grand theft by kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium fabricated cost and schedule reports, then performed a Harry Potter job on the account books. In 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive from one partner, Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho on how to lie to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay $4.3 billion and, ultimately, put them out of business. And that's why, if you're in the Northeast, you're reading this by candlelight tonight. Here's what happened. After LILCO was hammered by the law, after government regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens of other book-cooking, document-doctoring utility companies all over America with fines and penalties totaling in the tens of billions of dollars, the industry leaders got together to swear never to break the regulations again. Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to ELIMINATE the rules. They called it "deregulation." It was like a committee of bank robbers figuring out how to make safecracking legal. But they dare not launch the scheme in the USA. Rather, in 1990, one devious little bunch of operators out of Texas, Houston Natural Gas, operating under the alias "Enron," talked an over-the-edge free-market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, into licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in the hemisphere. And so began an economic disease called "regulatory reform" that spread faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded Thatcher's Energy Minister, one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of dollar bills for 'consulting' services and a seat on Enron's board of directors. The English experiment proved the viability of Enron's new industrial formula: that the enthusiasm of politicians for deregulation was in direct proportion to the payola provided by power companies. The power elite first moved on England because they knew Americans wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily. The USA had gotten used to cheap power available at the flick of switch. This was the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933, caged the man he thought to be the last of the power pirates, Samuel Insull. Wall Street wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust, and six decades before Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off consumers. To frustrate Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal Power Commission and the Public Utilities Holding Company Act which told electricity companies where to stand and salute. Detailed regulations limited charges to real expenditures plus a government-set profit. The laws banned "power markets" and required companies to keep the lights on under threat of arrest -- no blackout blackmail to hike rates. Of particular significance as I write here in the dark, regulators told utilities exactly how much they had to spend to insure the system stayed in repair and the lights stayed on. Bureaucrats crawled along the wire and, like me, crawled through the account books, to make sure the power execs spent customers' money on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd whack'm over the head with our thick rule books. Did we get in the way of these businessmen's entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did. Most important, FDR banned political contributions from utility companies -- no 'soft' money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD. But then came George the First. In 1992, just prior to his departure from the White House, President Bush Senior gave the power industry one long deep-through-the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of electricity. It was a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the gratitude of power companies which ponied up $16 million for the Republican campaign of 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats. But Poppy Bush's gift of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the feds only got the power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer. For the big payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There were only two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican enough to put the electricity market con into operation. California fell first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a 1998 referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the de-reg scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating the campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that deregulation would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when San Diegans in the first California city to go "lawless" looked at their bills, the 20% savings became a 300% jump in surcharges. Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one life-time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it controlled at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to keep the Golden State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights." Enron and its comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine, yanking out the bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed "auctions" for electricity held by the state, Enron bid, in one instance, to supply 500 megawatts of electricity over a 15 megawatt line. That's like pouring a gallon of gasoline into a thimble -- the lines would burn up if they attempted it. Faced with blackout because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was willing to pay anything to keep the lights on. And the state did. According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state Independent System Operator which directed power movements, between May and November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically" withheld power from the state and concocted enough false bids to cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges. It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban Enron from the market. But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't have to wait long to put their hooks back into the treasure chest. Within seventy-two hours of moving into the White House, while he was still sweeping out the inaugural champagne bottles, George Bush the Second reversed Clinton's executive order and put the power pirates back in business in California. Enron, Reliant (aka Houston Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the others who had economically snipped California's wires knew they could count on Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the richest deregulation deal in America. Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made it to New York where Republican Governor George Pataki and his industry-picked utility commissioners ripped the lid off electric bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara Mohawk of the expensive obligation to properly fund the maintenance of the grid system. And the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in Heaven: They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent National Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and pocket most of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders approaching $90 million. Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck, no, not to us in the field who've watched Bush's buddies flick the switches across the globe. In Brazil, Houston Industries seized ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric company. The Texans (aided by their French partners) fired workers, raised prices, cut maintenance expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went out so often the locals now call it, "Rio Dark." So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara Mohawk raised prices, slashed staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! -- New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages. Californians have found the solution to the deregulation disaster: re-call the only governor in the nation with the cojones to stand up to the electricity price fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov. Gray Davis stood alone against the bad guys without using a body double. Davis called Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll walk the plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders. So where's the President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe Lincoln, the White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing the foe that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for yet more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California. Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if the truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we change the dim bulb in the White House. ----- See Greg Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television and the Guardian papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast at his New York office: media@gregpalast.com. ============================================ If you would like to have your e-mail address removed from this mailing list. Cut and paste the following URL into your browser address bar. This will automatically remove from the mailing list and you will receive no further mailings. http://www.gregpalast.com/emailremove.cfm?id=17255 ------------=_1060980903-2465-0-- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:13:25 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Report: CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) ( http://globalresearch.ca/articles/IRA308A.html) They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:27:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Politics List or Poetics List? In-Reply-To: <42.3c367990.2c6ec315@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i'm confused. thanks, david real politics, yes crackpot theories and articles, no -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:57:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <000401c362bc$d97764c0$5f016ace@satellite> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii do you see now how that trick line of the ghazal works in English? once the expectation is set up the audience is just DYING to hear what the poet's going to say next. sometimes at the reading the poet repeats the first line over and over again like in a blues tune before delivering the second line with the theme... anyhow, non sequitur, but that's part of ghazal also. --- Derek R wrote: > > the street lights are not working > air-conditioning is not working > airport screening is not working > the airports are not working > the elevators were not working > the road map (to peace) is not working > the railroad is not working > the subway is not working > President Taylor is not working > our education system is not working > my mother asks why I'm not working > tax-cuts are not working > cell phones are not working > tornado sirens are not working > celebrities want to be left alone when they're not > working > UI will pay you $330/month for not working > the government in Sacramento is not working > we only have video, the sound's not working > the situation is not working > security's not working > US foreign policy is not working > affirmative action is not working > war is not working > my msn messenger is not working > the television remote control not working > AIDS Policies are not working > this Web site is not working > the lines of communication are not working > the password is not working > something is not working > ATMs are not working > the plumbing's not working > you're doing what you're doing and it's still not > working > pest control is not working > next week he's on vacation and not working > her lungs are not working > photo finish machines are not working > a worm strikes a computer then it's not working > your car's not working > it's not an issue unless it is not working > the system's not working > Terry's complaining his shoulder's not working > healthcare is not working > the flight data recorder was not working > dishwashing machine was not working > the parole system is not working > the tv's not working > the radio's not working > the gas-pumps are not working > the game-plan is not working > the experiment's not working > what we have is not working > the homeland security warning-system is not working > 13 percent of business-school graduates are not > working > the automated system is not working > the coalition forces are not working > the power's not working > the electricity is not working > escalators are not working > what I've been teaching our kids is not working > condom dispensing machines are not working > the strategy is not working > the business model is not working > retirees are not working > free-trade policies are not working > there is fear if it's not working > a refrigerator storing portobello mushrooms is not > working > federal dollars shouldn't be used for things that > are not working > the earpiece is not working > monetary policy is not working > neighborhood cleanups are not working > the 'customer is always right' policy is not working > parts of the brain that interpret emotion are not > working > Balkan unity is just not working > the Davis' strategy is not working > self-regulation is not working > the fire alarms are not working > prohibition is not working > you're joking around too much with the customers and > not working > the 'let's wait and see' is not working > stomach implants designed to reject alcohol are not > working > the refineries are not working > the current legislation not working > employed people drink more heavily than those not > working > Germany is not working > the microphones were not working > control measures are not working > police policing themselves is obviously not working > the machines are not working > my pager's not working > your voice-mail is not working > I have a great deal of time when I'm not working > when you love what you do you're not working > when he bats left-handed it's not working > when we're not in session we're not working > you're less appealing to employers when you're not > working > reform is not working > the church is not working > capitalism is not working > the free market is not working > no one ever takes responsibility for the damn thing > not working > the medicine is not working > people get restless when they're not working > I go fishing all the time when I'm not working > my double life is not working > chemotherapy treatments are not working > the meter is still not working > the effort to combat terrorism is not working > the romantic formula is not working > Hilary Duff is a normal 15-year-old girl when she's > not working > the water is not working > my right arm is not working > the fax number's not working > the protest vote is not working > appliances are not working > half of those certified as an MCSE are not working > you can't stay out of trouble if you are not working > it seems to me that something is just fundamentally > not working > > > > ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:40:34 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i have a problem with utility ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazim Ali" To: Sent: Friday, August 15, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: Re: utility problem > do you see now how that trick line of the ghazal works > in English? > > once the expectation is set up the audience is just > DYING to hear what the poet's going to say next. > > sometimes at the reading the poet repeats the first > line over and over again like in a blues tune before > delivering the second line with the theme... > > anyhow, non sequitur, but that's part of ghazal also. > > > --- Derek R wrote: > > > > the street lights are not working > > air-conditioning is not working > > airport screening is not working > > the airports are not working > > the elevators were not working > > the road map (to peace) is not working > > the railroad is not working > > the subway is not working > > President Taylor is not working > > our education system is not working > > my mother asks why I'm not working > > tax-cuts are not working > > cell phones are not working > > tornado sirens are not working > > celebrities want to be left alone when they're not > > working > > UI will pay you $330/month for not working > > the government in Sacramento is not working > > we only have video, the sound's not working > > the situation is not working > > security's not working > > US foreign policy is not working > > affirmative action is not working > > war is not working > > my msn messenger is not working > > the television remote control not working > > AIDS Policies are not working > > this Web site is not working > > the lines of communication are not working > > the password is not working > > something is not working > > ATMs are not working > > the plumbing's not working > > you're doing what you're doing and it's still not > > working > > pest control is not working > > next week he's on vacation and not working > > her lungs are not working > > photo finish machines are not working > > a worm strikes a computer then it's not working > > your car's not working > > it's not an issue unless it is not working > > the system's not working > > Terry's complaining his shoulder's not working > > healthcare is not working > > the flight data recorder was not working > > dishwashing machine was not working > > the parole system is not working > > the tv's not working > > the radio's not working > > the gas-pumps are not working > > the game-plan is not working > > the experiment's not working > > what we have is not working > > the homeland security warning-system is not working > > 13 percent of business-school graduates are not > > working > > the automated system is not working > > the coalition forces are not working > > the power's not working > > the electricity is not working > > escalators are not working > > what I've been teaching our kids is not working > > condom dispensing machines are not working > > the strategy is not working > > the business model is not working > > retirees are not working > > free-trade policies are not working > > there is fear if it's not working > > a refrigerator storing portobello mushrooms is not > > working > > federal dollars shouldn't be used for things that > > are not working > > the earpiece is not working > > monetary policy is not working > > neighborhood cleanups are not working > > the 'customer is always right' policy is not working > > parts of the brain that interpret emotion are not > > working > > Balkan unity is just not working > > the Davis' strategy is not working > > self-regulation is not working > > the fire alarms are not working > > prohibition is not working > > you're joking around too much with the customers and > > not working > > the 'let's wait and see' is not working > > stomach implants designed to reject alcohol are not > > working > > the refineries are not working > > the current legislation not working > > employed people drink more heavily than those not > > working > > Germany is not working > > the microphones were not working > > control measures are not working > > police policing themselves is obviously not working > > the machines are not working > > my pager's not working > > your voice-mail is not working > > I have a great deal of time when I'm not working > > when you love what you do you're not working > > when he bats left-handed it's not working > > when we're not in session we're not working > > you're less appealing to employers when you're not > > working > > reform is not working > > the church is not working > > capitalism is not working > > the free market is not working > > no one ever takes responsibility for the damn thing > > not working > > the medicine is not working > > people get restless when they're not working > > I go fishing all the time when I'm not working > > my double life is not working > > chemotherapy treatments are not working > > the meter is still not working > > the effort to combat terrorism is not working > > the romantic formula is not working > > Hilary Duff is a normal 15-year-old girl when she's > > not working > > the water is not working > > my right arm is not working > > the fax number's not working > > the protest vote is not working > > appliances are not working > > half of those certified as an MCSE are not working > > you can't stay out of trouble if you are not working > > it seems to me that something is just fundamentally > > not working > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 23:49:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: PRESS RELEASE: Nottingham Trent teaches globally to make writing creative online (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:05:30 +0100 From: trace@ntu.ac.uk To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: PRESS RELEASE: Nottingham Trent teaches globally to make writing creative online Most of us enjoyed writing at school but lost confidence in our teens when = what was once a pleasurable pastime turned into a stressful academic chore.= Courses in creative writing can often provide a stimulus to rebuild that e= arly enjoyment in writing, with positive spin-offs for both workplace and p= ersonal creativity. But how do you attend a writing workshop when, like Tra= cey Martin, you are based in a country like The Gambia where there are no s= uch opportunities? Tracey, 42, came to Africa from Thailand, where she worked as a teacher and= development manager. Now she is a Director of Voluntary Services Overseas = and has settled in The Gambia with her Thai husband and their two children.= Keen to join a writing workshop but with none available locally, she thou= ght of setting one up herself =96 until she discovered the trAce Online Wri= ting School. Based at Nottingham Trent University in England but offering 1= 00% online courses on the web, the School is ideal for people like Tracey. = She enjoyed the mix of nationalities in her Online Workshop, where one tuto= r logged on from Bucketty, a small bush community in Hunter Valley, north o= f Sydney, Australia, and another from the suburbs of Nottingham, England: =93I felt online I would be exposed to many more different types and attitu= des to writing than if I was in a local group.=94 Working with trAce has opened her eyes to the possibilities: =93It has motivated me to continue writing - I now know I can get things pu= blished on the web and get feedback from all over the world. It has made me= want to learn more about the Internet and how it can help writers.=94 Uma Girish, 39, a freelance writer with eight years=92 experience and based= in Chennai, India, had the same response. She had heard about trAce via Th= e British Council and was keen to try an online writing course to re-energi= se her professional work: =93I felt I might enjoy the comfort of working from home, reading work from= other cultures and backgrounds, and for the first time in my life, be tuto= red by a foreigner!=94 Uma enjoyed the international variety of a group where the tutor was based = in Newport Beach, California, and her fellow students logged on from variou= s parts of the world: =93I believe I brought a unique cultural perspective to the group, coming f= rom India, as the others did to me. I like to share the story of the squirr= els. In one of my written submissions, I had a phrase: 'timid as a squirrel= ', and a fellow writer in England simply didn't get it. He said squirrels a= re bold, daring, and often march up to you and demand food from your lunch = box if you happen to be sitting on a park bench. Where I come from, squirre= ls are frightened creatures and bolt at the slightest noise from humans. So= this was an interesting, albeit small, cultural exchange. =93The other thing the course did for me was to open the window to a much l= arger world, in terms of ideas, writing styles, contexts and so forth. But = there were barriers too. My fellow writers' references didn't always make s= ense to me (as I'm sure mine didn't to them) especially when they wrote abo= ut old-world traditions or used names to suggest a place or a certain kind = of atmosphere. But that prompted an exchange because I asked for clarificat= ions and they always obliged.=94 Bedfordshire-based Gavin Stewart, 41, turned from an international career = as a derivatives trader to studying for a PhD in computer-mediated textuali= ty at the University of Luton. Studying at trAce was part of that change. H= e says: =93I was interested in the trAce format because the course tutor presents a= comprehensive package of coursework that provides a much-needed structure = which facilitates one to 'take on' the challenge of a new way of working.= =94 He has already created a small multi-participant work called 'Tomorrow' and= is currently producing a Multi-user Garden called 'The Castle Gardens' us= ing PHP4.0 and SQL. Gavin Stewart took Alan Sondheim=92s Experimental Writing course. Tracey Ma= rtin attended the trAce Online Workshop which runs continuously with two tu= tors at a starter fee of =A328 for four weeks. Uma Girish=92s course is not= available this year but there are thirteen others to choose from. The next= series of nine-week courses starts 15th September with Freelance Article W= riting, Poetry, Children=92s Fiction, and Writing Crime and Mystery. Course= s cost =A3140 and can be booked online at http://tracewritingschool.com >From her freelancer=92s study in Chennai, Uma feels very much part of the = global professional community. She reports: =93I am very happy talking to a variety of editors from overseas magazines,= doing query letters, and believing that sitting here in India my writing c= an make a difference to people a few continents away.=94 End Notes to editors - Texts of email interviews with Uma Girish, Tracey Martin and Gavin Stewar= t are available on request - The trAce Online Writing School is part of the trAce Online Writing Centr= e, based at the Nottingham Trent University. The website is at http://trace= writingschool.com - Sue Thomas, Director of the trAce Online Centre, is available for intervi= ew. Please contact Rachael Earp. 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Pyng hztatyhztywtheir bodies gonee unuttheyr bodyes ptheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginningound togeththeir bodies goneable chaos optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! loveose needlemarks on htheir bodies gone armshz byg beautyptheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginningul eyehz 166.84.1.2: PaSAKethz: hZent = 4, Rezeyved = a dropped loSAK optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! hayr, Lohzt = 4 (1a dropped loSAK optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! hayra dropped loSAK optheir bodies gonehaps they planned this from the beginninglsh! hayr% lohzhZ), __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:03:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Walter Ong 1912-2003 In-Reply-To: <200308160411.h7G4BdM02086@ida.host4u.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >>For those who have not heard the news, Father Ong died Tuesday evening, > >>around 9PM. He had been hospitalized for pneumonia. He was 90. > >> > >>We will all miss such an inspiring mind. > >> > >>Press release here: > >>http://www.slu.edu/readstory/homepage/2974 Walter Ong's book Orality and Literacy is one of my favorite books. In Orality and Literacy, Walter Ong suggests that some well-known theories of personal or cultural development explain changes that are "more cogently" described as "shifts from orality to various stages of literacy": "...shifts hitherto labelled as shifts from magic to science, or from the so-called 'prelogical' to the more and more 'rational' state of consciousness, or from Levi-Strauss's 'savage' mind to domesticated thought, can be more economically and cogently explained as shifts from orality to various stages of literacy." It is almost a commonplace now to note that when we think we're measuring intelligence, we're often measuring various forms of literacy. McLuhan and Ong proposed that technologies are no mere add-ons to who and what we are but, rather, alter us very much as though the technologies really were extensions of us. We had seen, in science fiction, humankind become machine, but McLuhan and Ong showed us the contemporary version amid the day to day phenomenon of our mediated, technologized world--though they posed it less as 'humankind become' as 'modified by' the technology. Ong showed us noetic (cognitive) differences of perception, memory, and priority that exist between oral and print-based cultures. His work showed us a fascinating example of how perception, memory, and priorities might be affected by as 'simple' a technology as print so that the story of the technologizing of the word and the world became not a new and frightening one, but a story with a great deal of history to it already. Also, the sorts of cognitive and perceptual differences highlighted by Ong and Havelock between cultures that used different technologies of the mind suggested we might expect similar sorts of dramatic changes (or reversions) in culture as a result of the adoption of new technologies of the mind. Insofar as these technologies provide an environment for types of expression that would otherwise not arise, "the medium is the message." McLuhan, Ong, Havelock and others made us aware of this and it was surely a great contribution into the nature of technology, history, and culture. We tend to think of language and money, electronic media, and other technologies as tools, but we tend to discount the degree to which our tools determine who we are and what we do. Language itself is a technology, a "tool" made by people. But the tool draws a circle around the realm of the thinkable beyond which few can negotiate. Here's a google link to writing on the net concerning Dr. Walter Ong's work: http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&querytime=WPRXjB&q=%22oralit y%2Band%2Bliteracy%22 He was a tremendously inspiring thinker. I am very sad to hear of his death. ja ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 22:10:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: UA Museum of Art: LOVE AND/OR TERROR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PLEASE NOTE: As part of the events described below, Tucson poet and book artist Charles Alexander, director of Chax Press, will be offering a gallery talk at the UA Museum of Art on Sunday, August 17, at 1pm. ***** UAMA NEWS RELEASE LOVE AND/OR TERROR BOOK ARTS EXHIBITION & SYMPOSIUM at the UA MUSEUM OF ART REGISTER by AUGUST 15!!!!! Love and/or Terror: A Book Arts EXHIBITION at the University of Arizona Museum of Art August 3 through September 21, 2003 Triggered by the events of 9/11, fifty contemporary artists respond to the themes of love and/or terror in experimental book form. Love and/or Terror: A Book Arts SYMPOSIUM Symposium opens on Friday, September 12, 2003 with a special print viewing, book signing and lecture by Duane Michals at the Center for Creative Photography. On Saturday, September 13, 2003 from 9am to 4:30pm, the Symposium features keynote speakers Johanna Drucker, Warren Lehrer and Charles Alexander and workshops led by Tucson literary and visual artists Charles Alexander, Judith Golden, Miguel Juarez, Frances Sjoberg, Nancy Solomon, and Karen White. For Love and/or Terror exhibition and symposium info go to www.loveandorterror.arizona.edu. EXHIBITION NEWS Not by the Book Love and/or Terror Exhibition at UA Museum of Art Triggered by the events and repercussions of 9/11, the University of Arizona Museum of Art invited fifty artists to respond to the subjects of love and/or terror in the form of a book. These amazing artists’ book will be on view at the UA Museum of Art from August 3 ­ September 21, 2003. Artists often assume the role of challenging commercial and conventional forms of expression. The artists in the Love and/or Terror exhibition experiment with our notions of what a book is. These books are made with unexpected materials from handmade papers to feathers and fish scales. They are not standard storybooks sandwiched between covers. There are flipbooks, round books, books that stretch accordion-like for many feet and books that are paperless. There are books without words, and books with one word. There are books that do not open and books that do not end. How these books are made and the stories they tell overlap. There are intricately folded books about love and loss, digitized books about memory and distance, hand-knitted books about the weather in Minnesota, photographic books about biblical text,and flip books about kisses and winks. Visit the UA Museum of Art and spend some time with these artists’ books that are definitely not by the book! Alisa Z. Shorr Public Information Specialist The University of Arizona Museum of Art P.O. Box 210002 Tucson, AZ 85721 email: azs@u.arizona.edu fax: 520.621-8770 telephone: 520.621-7567 UA Museum of Art website: http://artmuseum.arizona.edu ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:08:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: blackout MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII blackout http://www.asondheim.org/portal/blackout.exe and then one of the largest clocks in the world just stopped and held its breath right outside my window the criminal bush stopped time and space he's that powerful it's incredible it's just that nothing more http://www.asondheim.org/portal/blackout.exe and then one stopped of one the of largest the clocks largest in clocks world the just world stopped just and window held and its held breath its right breath outside right my outside window my criminal the bush criminal time stopped space and he's incredible that he's powerful that it's powerful incredible it's nothing more more nothing blackout http://www.asondheim.org/portal/blackout.exe and then one the of largest the clocks largest in clocks the in world world stopped just one stopped of and and held held its its breath breath right right outside outside my my window window criminal the bush criminal time stopped space and he's that powerful it's he's incredible that nothing more and then nothing ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 03:30:23 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Buddha, Allen, Alan, and Me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MA KA HAN NYA HA RA MIT TA SHIN GYO Great Prajna Paramita Sutra Where have you gone my darling young one? KAN JI ZAI BO SATSU GYO JIN HAN NYA HA RA MIT TA JI SHO KEN GO Avalokitesvara bodhisattva practice deep prajna paramita when perceive five five and a dime feed me off this trough I have no place to slough off my UN KAI KU DO ISSAI KU YAKU skandas all empty. relieve every suffering. to relieve the suffering is to find it with a round in his skull on your parent's lawn SHA RI SHI SHIKI FU I KU KU FU I SHIKI SHIKI Sariputra, form not different (from) emptiness. Emptiness not different (from) form. Form is emptiness. I feel it in my eye in my why in my I I feel it and I am none. Not to say nothing but yes. SOKU ZE KU KU SOKU ZE SHIKE JU SO GYO SHIKI YAKU is the emptiness. Emptiness is the form. Sensation, thought, active substance, consciousness, also to be concluded as a series of conclusions ever closer ever compressed on conclusion after the next BU NYO ZE like this or like something else something less SHA RI SHI ZE SHO HO KU SO FU SHO FU METSU FU KU FU JO Sariputra, this everything original character; not born, not annihilated not tainted, not pure, not dirty not tainted not empty but full of throb and semen and the juices of cunnilingus on my chin I wash FU ZO FU GEN ZE KO KU CHU MU SHIKI MU JU SO GYO (does) not increase, (does) not decrease. Therefore in emptiness no form, no sensation, thought, active substance, substances active in my outside my I am nothing release me from this death I have in my pocket SHIKI MU GEN NI BI ZETS SHIN NI MU SHIKI SHO KO MI SOKU HO MU GEN consciousness. No eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind; no color, sound, smell, taste, touch, object; no eye, but two eyes and object between my legs I touch it you taste it this is colored and exploitative and you open KAI NAI SHI MU I SHIKI KAI MU MU MYO YAKU MU MU MYO world of eyes until we come to also no world of consciousness; no ignorance, also no ignorance and we are stupid all of us and brilliant but like stars but millions of light-years away saying welcome if you want to JIN NAI SHI MU RO SHI YAKU MU RO SHI JIN MU KU SHU annihilation, until we come to no old age, death, also no old age, death, also no old age, death, annhilation of no suffering, cause of suffering, and annihilation is the underpinning the growing meaning of our lives and so we must come and so we must come to this METSU DO MU CHI YAKU MU TOKU I MU SHO TOK KO BO DAI SAT TA E nirvana, path; no wisdom, also no attainment because of no attainment. Bodhisattva depends on hatred and disdain of no disdain or hatred no it doesn't sound that way but only in an above-it-all-and-in-it response HAN NYA HA RA MIT TA KO SHIN MU KE GE MU KE GE KO MU U KU FU ON RI prajna paramita because mind no obstacle. Because of no obstacle no exist fear; go beyond the five and dime where I was conceived on a discount rack set to use a score for more this is less than a pile of words I SSAI TEN DO MU SO KU GYO NE HAN SAN ZE SHO BUTSU E HAN all (topsy-turvey views) attain Nirvana. Past, present and future every Buddha depend on prajna and extreme sports achievement cynically clipped into a realpolitik wholly of another world in this one NYA HA RA MIT TA KO TOKU A NOKU TA RA SAN MYAKU SAN BO DAI paramita therefore attain supreme, perfect, enlightenment. which is of course a punchline without a joke this is one hand clapping ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:09:31 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dubravka Djuric Subject: Re: Walter Ong 1912-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dragi vlado, sinoc smo se misko i ja slatko smejali tvom pisamcu! evo tijos jedan odapeo! ako mislis da za tvoje novinicemoze biti zanimljivo.... sto se naseg zlog patuljka tice, ne znam ni sama, videcu... salji mi nesto za augusta!!!! augustoveski pozdrav, duca ps. posalji i one textice iz ktk! Walter Ong 1912-2003 > > >>For those who have not heard the news, Father Ong died Tuesday evening, > > >>around 9PM. He had been hospitalized for pneumonia. He was 90. > > >> > > >>We will all miss such an inspiring mind. > > >> > > >>Press release here: > > >>http://www.slu.edu/readstory/homepage/2974 > > Walter Ong's book Orality and Literacy is one of my favorite books. > > In Orality and Literacy, Walter Ong suggests that some well-known theories > of personal or cultural development explain changes that are "more cogently" > described as "shifts from orality to various stages of literacy": > > "...shifts hitherto labelled as shifts from magic to science, or from the > so-called 'prelogical' to the more and more 'rational' state of > consciousness, or from Levi-Strauss's 'savage' mind to domesticated thought, > can be more economically and cogently explained as shifts from orality to > various stages of literacy." > > It is almost a commonplace now to note that when we think we're measuring > intelligence, we're often measuring various forms of literacy. > > McLuhan and Ong proposed that technologies are no mere add-ons to who and > what we are but, rather, alter us very much as though the technologies > really were extensions of us. We had seen, in science fiction, humankind > become machine, but McLuhan and Ong showed us the contemporary version amid > the day to day phenomenon of our mediated, technologized world--though they > posed it less as 'humankind become' as 'modified by' the technology. > > Ong showed us noetic (cognitive) differences of perception, memory, and > priority that exist between oral and print-based cultures. His work showed > us a fascinating example of how perception, memory, and priorities might be > affected by as 'simple' a technology as print so that the story of the > technologizing of the word and the world became not a new and frightening > one, but a story with a great deal of history to it already. Also, the sorts > of cognitive and perceptual differences highlighted by Ong and Havelock > between cultures that used different technologies of the mind suggested we > might expect similar sorts of dramatic changes (or reversions) in culture as > a result of the adoption of new technologies of the mind. Insofar as these > technologies provide an environment for types of expression that would > otherwise not arise, "the medium is the message." McLuhan, Ong, Havelock and > others made us aware of this and it was surely a great contribution into the > nature of technology, history, and culture. > > We tend to think of language and money, electronic media, and other > technologies as tools, but we tend to discount the degree to which our tools > determine who we are and what we do. Language itself is a technology, a > "tool" made by people. But the tool draws a circle around the realm of the > thinkable beyond which few can negotiate. > > Here's a google link to writing on the net concerning Dr. Walter Ong's work: > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&querytime=WPRXjB&q=%22oralit > y%2Band%2Bliteracy%22 > > He was a tremendously inspiring thinker. I am very sad to hear of his death. > > ja > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:24:10 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dubravka Djuric Subject: Re: Walter Ong 1912-2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry - for this.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dubravka Djuric" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Walter Ong 1912-2003 > dragi vlado, sinoc smo se misko i ja slatko smejali tvom pisamcu! evo tijos > jedan odapeo! ako mislis da za tvoje novinicemoze biti zanimljivo.... > > sto se naseg zlog patuljka tice, ne znam ni sama, videcu... > > salji mi nesto za augusta!!!! > > augustoveski pozdrav, > duca > > ps. posalji i one textice iz ktk! > > > Walter Ong 1912-2003 > > > > > >>For those who have not heard the news, Father Ong died Tuesday > evening, > > > >>around 9PM. He had been hospitalized for pneumonia. He was 90. > > > >> > > > >>We will all miss such an inspiring mind. > > > >> > > > >>Press release here: > > > >>http://www.slu.edu/readstory/homepage/2974 > > > > Walter Ong's book Orality and Literacy is one of my favorite books. > > > > In Orality and Literacy, Walter Ong suggests that some well-known theories > > of personal or cultural development explain changes that are "more > cogently" > > described as "shifts from orality to various stages of literacy": > > > > "...shifts hitherto labelled as shifts from magic to science, or from the > > so-called 'prelogical' to the more and more 'rational' state of > > consciousness, or from Levi-Strauss's 'savage' mind to domesticated > thought, > > can be more economically and cogently explained as shifts from orality to > > various stages of literacy." > > > > It is almost a commonplace now to note that when we think we're measuring > > intelligence, we're often measuring various forms of literacy. > > > > McLuhan and Ong proposed that technologies are no mere add-ons to who and > > what we are but, rather, alter us very much as though the technologies > > really were extensions of us. We had seen, in science fiction, humankind > > become machine, but McLuhan and Ong showed us the contemporary version > amid > > the day to day phenomenon of our mediated, technologized world--though > they > > posed it less as 'humankind become' as 'modified by' the technology. > > > > Ong showed us noetic (cognitive) differences of perception, memory, and > > priority that exist between oral and print-based cultures. His work showed > > us a fascinating example of how perception, memory, and priorities might > be > > affected by as 'simple' a technology as print so that the story of the > > technologizing of the word and the world became not a new and frightening > > one, but a story with a great deal of history to it already. Also, the > sorts > > of cognitive and perceptual differences highlighted by Ong and Havelock > > between cultures that used different technologies of the mind suggested we > > might expect similar sorts of dramatic changes (or reversions) in culture > as > > a result of the adoption of new technologies of the mind. Insofar as these > > technologies provide an environment for types of expression that would > > otherwise not arise, "the medium is the message." McLuhan, Ong, Havelock > and > > others made us aware of this and it was surely a great contribution into > the > > nature of technology, history, and culture. > > > > We tend to think of language and money, electronic media, and other > > technologies as tools, but we tend to discount the degree to which our > tools > > determine who we are and what we do. Language itself is a technology, a > > "tool" made by people. But the tool draws a circle around the realm of the > > thinkable beyond which few can negotiate. > > > > Here's a google link to writing on the net concerning Dr. Walter Ong's > work: > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&querytime=WPRXjB&q=%22oralit > > y%2Band%2Bliteracy%22 > > > > He was a tremendously inspiring thinker. I am very sad to hear of his > death. > > > > ja > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:03:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: bw MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bw www.encyclopoetica.com/bw1.html www.encyclopoetica.com/bw2.html www.encyclopoetica.com/bw3.html www.encyclopoetica.com/bw4.html www.encyclopoetica.com/bw5.html august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 02:03:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE August 14, 2003 Turbulence Spotlight: "Alphanumeric Labs" by August Highland http://turbulence.org/spotlight/highland/index.html August Highland has set about the task of changing everything conventional about the publishing industry. To give a literary work the same intrinsic material value as a painting, Highland conceived of the "Massive Production" publishing model. Instead of producing one book and selling thousands of copies of that book to readers, each one of whom own a re-printed, disposable object, Highland produces thousands of one-of-a-kind books and sells only the original copy of that book to one person who then owns a work of art with the same intrinsic value of a painting or sculpture. Highland applies the same production ethic to "Alphanumeric Labs." Like all the projects by the "Superheroes of Humanities" the visual work by "Alphanumeric Labs" are literary works that have migrated across the boundary line where literature morphs from text intended to be read (library material) to text intended to be viewed (museum material). Currently there are four series in the Howard Fineman Collection. Highland has 20 series planned for "Alphanumeric Labs," each to contain 1,000 works. Individual works are professionally converted from a digital art piece to a "painting" of monumental size. They are sold as one-of-a-kind artworks for between $2,500 to $5,000. BIOGRAPHY August Highland is the Director of "Culture Animal," a literary production company. "Culture Animal" presents tens of thousands of literary works by August Highland under approximately 80 personae. This conceptual literary performance is called "Metapoetics Theatre." "Culture Animal" has developed over 30 projects, each with an individual website. The work is presented by one or more personae who produce literary work in a particular genre or subgenre originated by Highland himself. All the personae of "Culture Animal" are members of one of three simulated literary movements. They are the "Worldwide Literati Mobilization Network, the "International Belles Lettres Federation" and the "Superheroes of Humanities." The literary genres that August Highland has originated are "Hyper-Literary Fiction," "Microlinear Storytelling," "Next-Gen Nanopoetics," and "Genre-Splicing." Highland is also Editor and Publisher of an online international literary quarterly. The "Muse Apprentice Guild" first appeared online in August, 2002. The premiere issue contained 60 writers and 100 literary works. The Spring, 2003 issue of the M.A.G. presented over 4,000 literary works by 600 writers. The M.A.G. has 35 contributing editors or "liaisons" around the world and is the Internet's largest and most widely read international literary quarterly. For more information about Turbulence, please visit http://turbulence.org --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:13:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Poetry & Psych MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, list! I would like to research the treatments of poetry in current psychological, psychiatric and cognitive studies, and would be immensely grateful for any references and recommendations. Thanks in advance! Philip ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:36:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Haroldo de Campos (1929-2003) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Haroldo de Campos died today. He was one of the great poets of the Americas and a defining figure for Brazilian poetry. A large collection of his work, translated by Sergio Bessa and Odile Cisneros, is forthcoming from Northwest University Press. Haroldo's home page is http://www.uol.com.br/haroldodecampos/ Charles Bernstein ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:05:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Haroldo de Campos (1929-2003) In-Reply-To: <5.1.3.2.2.20030816092803.00ab0a50@pop.bway.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I heard haroldo once in Sao Paulo at the reading, it was quite an event and I have never seen an audience so enraptured he will be a great loss-- but he gave so much RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Charles Bernstein > Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:37 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Haroldo de Campos (1929-2003) > > > Haroldo de Campos died today. He was one of the great poets of > the Americas > and a defining figure for Brazilian poetry. A large collection of > his work, > translated by Sergio Bessa and Odile Cisneros, is forthcoming from > Northwest University Press. > > > Haroldo's home page is > http://www.uol.com.br/haroldodecampos/ > > > Charles Bernstein > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:09:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Italian Poets In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey can anyone forward to me a contact who is an Italian poet/s born after 1960? I am working on creating a dialogue group/online salon with poets from provincial cities from Brazil/USA/Europe. Would appreciate anything send backchannel Ray ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 11:07:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Poetry & Psych MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, pretty big question but for starters take a look at Jamie Pennebaker's page. http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/Faculty/Pennebaker/Home2000/JWPhome. htm he's the big gun in the new research and some of his papers are online. psybc may be doing something on it and I'll pass your request on to some psych lists. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fulcrum Annual" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Poetry & Psych > Hello, list! > > I would like to research the treatments of poetry in current > psychological, psychiatric and cognitive studies, and would be immensely > grateful for any references and recommendations. > > Thanks in advance! > > Philip ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 12:52:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Poetry & Psych In-Reply-To: <000001c36400$a1a2bb40$0100a8c0@bucephalus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You might be interested in Adam Phillips's *Promises, Promises: Essays on Psychoanalysis and Literature* [New York: Basic Books, 2001] Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { Hello, list! { { I would like to research the treatments of poetry in current { psychological, psychiatric and cognitive studies, and would be immensely { grateful for any references and recommendations. { { Thanks in advance! { { Philip ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 17:40:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Barakas' daughter shot (dead). Comments: To: wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear All, I'm moving the apostrophe one letter to allow in both parents, both poets. Mairead Mair=E9ad Byrne Assistant Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design Providence, RI 02903 www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> wxf8424@LOUISIANA.EDU 08/14/03 13:52 PM >>> http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uspoet143413925aug14,0,35= 93085.story?coll=3Dny-nationalnews-print ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 19:23:27 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Power outage traced to dim bulb in White House (Palast) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Power outage traced to dim bulb in White House by Greg Palast www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=15459 The tale of the Brits who swiped 800 jobs from New York, carted off $90 million, then tonight turned off our lights Palast is author of the New York Times bestseller, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (Penguin USA) and the worstseller, "Democracy and Regulation," a guide to electricity deregulation published by the United Nations (with T. MacGregor and J. Oppenheim). I can tell you all about the ne're-do-wells that put out our lights tonight. I came up against these characters -- the Niagara Mohawk Power Company -- some years back. You see, before I was a journalist, I worked for a living, as an investigator of corporate racketeers. In the 1980s, "NiMo" built a nuclear plant, Nine Mile Point, a brutally costly piece of hot junk for which NiMo and its partner companies charged billions to New York State's electricity ratepayers. To pull off this grand theft by kilowatt, the NiMo-led consortium fabricated cost and schedule reports, then performed a Harry Potter job on the account books. In 1988, I showed a jury a memo from an executive from one partner, Long Island Lighting, giving a lesson to a NiMo honcho on how to lie to government regulators. The jury ordered LILCO to pay $4.3 billion and, ultimately, put them out of business. And that's why, if you're in the Northeast, you're reading this by candlelight tonight. Here's what happened. After LILCO was hammered by the law, after government regulators slammed Niagara Mohawk and dozens of other book-cooking, document-doctoring utility companies all over America with fines and penalties totaling in the tens of billions of dollars, the industry leaders got together to swear never to break the regulations again. Their plan was not to follow the rules, but to ELIMINATE the rules. They called it "deregulation." It was like a committee of bank robbers figuring out how to make safecracking legal. But they dare not launch the scheme in the USA. Rather, in 1990, one devious little bunch of operators out of Texas, Houston Natural Gas, operating under the alias "Enron," talked an over-the-edge free-market fanatic, Britain's Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, into licensing the first completely deregulated power plant in the hemisphere. And so began an economic disease called "regulatory reform" that spread faster than SARS. Notably, Enron rewarded Thatcher's Energy Minister, one Lord Wakeham, with a bushel of dollar bills for 'consulting' services and a seat on Enron's board of directors. The English experiment proved the viability of Enron's new industrial formula: that the enthusiasm of politicians for deregulation was in direct proportion to the payola provided by power companies. The power elite first moved on England because they knew Americans wouldn't swallow the deregulation snake oil easily. The USA had gotten used to cheap power available at the flick of switch. This was the legacy of Franklin Roosevelt who, in 1933, caged the man he thought to be the last of the power pirates, Samuel Insull. Wall Street wheeler-dealer Insull creator of the Power Trust, and six decades before Ken Lay, faked account books and ripped off consumers. To frustrate Insull and his ilk, FDR gave us the Federal Power Commission and the Public Utilities Holding Company Act which told electricity companies where to stand and salute. Detailed regulations limited charges to real expenditures plus a government-set profit. The laws banned "power markets" and required companies to keep the lights on under threat of arrest -- no blackout blackmail to hike rates. Of particular significance as I write here in the dark, regulators told utilities exactly how much they had to spend to insure the system stayed in repair and the lights stayed on. Bureaucrats crawled along the wire and, like me, crawled through the account books, to make sure the power execs spent customers' money on parts and labor. If they didn't, we'd whack'm over the head with our thick rule books. Did we get in the way of these businessmen's entrepreneurial spirit? Damn right we did. Most important, FDR banned political contributions from utility companies -- no 'soft' money, no 'hard' money, no money PERIOD. But then came George the First. In 1992, just prior to his departure from the White House, President Bush Senior gave the power industry one long deep-through-the-teeth kiss good-bye: federal deregulation of electricity. It was a legacy he wanted to leave for his son, the gratitude of power companies which ponied up $16 million for the Republican campaign of 2000, seven times the sum they gave Democrats. But Poppy Bush's gift of deregulating of wholesale prices set by the feds only got the power pirates halfway to the plunder of Joe Ratepayer. For the big payday they needed deregulation at the state level. There were only two states, California and Texas, big enough and Republican enough to put the electricity market con into operation. California fell first. The power companies spent $39 million to defeat a 1998 referendum pushed by Ralph Nadar which would have blocked the de-reg scam. Another $37 million was spent on lobbying and lubricating the campaign coffers of legislators to write a lie into law: in the deregulation act's preamble, the Legislature promised that deregulation would reduce electricity bills by 20%. In fact, when San Diegans in the first California city to go "lawless" looked at their bills, the 20% savings became a 300% jump in surcharges. Enron circled California and licked its lips. As the number one life-time contributor to the George W. Bush campaign, it was confident about the future. With just a half dozen other companies it controlled at times 100% of the available power capacity needed to keep the Golden State lit. Their motto, "your money or your lights." Enron and its comrades played the system like a broken ATM machine, yanking out the bills. For example, in the shamelessly fixed "auctions" for electricity held by the state, Enron bid, in one instance, to supply 500 megawatts of electricity over a 15 megawatt line. That's like pouring a gallon of gasoline into a thimble -- the lines would burn up if they attempted it. Faced with blackout because of Enron's destructive bid, the state was willing to pay anything to keep the lights on. And the state did. According to Dr. Anjali Sheffrin, economist with the California state Independent System Operator which directed power movements, between May and November 2000, three power giants physically or "economically" withheld power from the state and concocted enough false bids to cost the California customers over $6.2 billion in excess charges. It took until December 20, 2000, with the lights going out on the Golden Gate, for President Bill Clinton, once a deregulation booster, to find his lost Democratic soul and impose price caps in California and ban Enron from the market. But the light-bulb buccaneers didn't have to wait long to put their hooks back into the treasure chest. Within seventy-two hours of moving into the White House, while he was still sweeping out the inaugural champagne bottles, George Bush the Second reversed Clinton's executive order and put the power pirates back in business in California. Enron, Reliant (aka Houston Industries), TXU (aka Texas Utilities) and the others who had economically snipped California's wires knew they could count on Dubya, who as governor of the Lone Star state cut them the richest deregulation deal in America. Meanwhile, the deregulation bug made it to New York where Republican Governor George Pataki and his industry-picked utility commissioners ripped the lid off electric bills and relieved my old friends at Niagara Mohawk of the expensive obligation to properly fund the maintenance of the grid system. And the Pataki-Bush Axis of Weasels permitted something that must have former New York governor Roosevelt spinning in his wheelchair in Heaven: They allowed a foreign company, the notoriously incompetent National Grid of England, to buy up NiMo, get rid of 800 workers and pocket most of their wages - producing a bonus for NiMo stockholders approaching $90 million. Is tonight's black-out a surprise? Heck, no, not to us in the field who've watched Bush's buddies flick the switches across the globe. In Brazil, Houston Industries seized ownership of Rio de Janeiro's electric company. The Texans (aided by their French partners) fired workers, raised prices, cut maintenance expenditures and, CLICK! the juice went out so often the locals now call it, "Rio Dark." So too the free-market cowboys of Niagara Mohawk raised prices, slashed staff, cut maintenance and CLICK! -- New York joins Brazil in the Dark Ages. Californians have found the solution to the deregulation disaster: re-call the only governor in the nation with the cojones to stand up to the electricity price fixers. And unlike Arnold Schwarzenegger, Gov. Gray Davis stood alone against the bad guys without using a body double. Davis called Reliant Corp of Houston a pack of "pirates" --and now he'll walk the plank for daring to stand up to the Texas marauders. So where's the President? Just before he landed on the deck of the Abe Lincoln, the White House was so concerned about our brave troops facing the foe that they used the cover of war for a new push in Congress for yet more electricity deregulation. This has a certain logic: there's no sense defeating Iraq if a hostile regime remains in California. Sitting in the dark, as my laptop battery runs low, I don't know if the truth about deregulation will ever see the light --until we change the dim bulb in the White House. See Greg Palast's award-winning reports for BBC Television and the Guardian papers of Britain at www.GregPalast.com. Contact Palast at his New York office: media@gregpalast.com. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 20:09:25 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: to clarify... ottawa report.... no matter what jimmy kimmell & conan obrian say (they must have taken from same incorrect news source) there were NOT 22 examples of looting in ottawa. there WERE 22 kids in the south end milling about, i heard. & a couple of guys with guns tried to rob a store on sparks street, but government workers stopped one of them. lucky jason le heup in toronto, looting coach house books as he did, but yes, it is pretty easy to loot there with the lights on. go for something bigger, like, a car dealership. now that would be hard. i declared my apartment a state of emergency weeks ago. there are crews currently working around the clock. on the other hand, my neighbour jwcurry (concrete/visual poet) wasnt affected by the blackout at all. he just couldnt make coffee. brought the guitars out, a few drinks, & cooked over the firepit in the backyard. ah, technology. rob mclennan ottawa (the lower-case capital) -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:36:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: more/mur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/sks.exe http://www.asondheim.org/portal/sks2.exe more 'if there was a chance one of them wouldn't make it' _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:13:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: [webartery] Haroldo de Campos's death MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Luiz Antonio" To: Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 9:42 PM Subject: [webartery] Haroldo de Campos's death > I am very sad to inform you all that the greatest Brazilian poet Haroldo de Campos died today. A great loss for Brazilian and international culture. > > In June we lost Julio Plaza, a Spanishi multimedia artist who lived in Brazil for a long time. Other great loss for techno poetry and art. > Jorge Luiz Antonio > Brazilian Digital Art and Poetry on the Web > http://www.vispo.com//misc/BrazilianDigitalPoetry.htm > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:29:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the just noise willie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the just noise willie http://www.asondheim.org/portal/rust.exe tired bit of tired these of you these bet you i bet am i how am can how go you on go and on well on they're well a they're bit a transparent and logical and the and noise the just noise cuts just into cuts itself into fractionates or literally fractionates decaying literally what decaying originated what perhaps originated as perhaps 1920s a or 1920s 1930s territory shed 1930s have you to have realize to this realize is this willie is sutton willie territory sutton tired bet bit am of i these am you how bet tired i of am these how you can bet go i on well and they're well a they're and a on transparent well logical just cuts logical into the itself noise fractionates fractionates or or literally literally decaying decaying what what originated originated perhaps perhaps as a 1920s 1920s 1930s perhaps territory to shed have have to to realize realize this this shed is have willie sutton willie dean street sutton he was he was ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:11:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit george Bowering---wouldthat be your honeymoon you were on, G? I understand you had female compaionship on this trip. We would all want to send you both our good wishes, y'know. Love, Broms -----Original Message----- From: George Bowering To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, August 15, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: utility problem >>And I just sat around watching national and local coverage -- not writing >>such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, >>folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening struck, despite >>what PM Chretian said. >> >>Martha Deed > >Well, I was in Niagara Falls, Ont. a couple nights ago, and the >lightning was hitting something every minute or less. >-- >George Bowering >Lookin' good in shorts. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:13:38 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: list #2 above/ground press - restricting movement since 1993 Another list of rare & out-of-print. Now that I've fractured my elbow & sprained both wrists (a cycling accident, while mailing out packages from the previous list), I need to hire staff to feed me chocolates. Prices in effect until the end of August 2003, or until I run out of stock, whichever comes first. I'll be making further lists as I find things. 7. Last Chance to Hit Balls (Six Tanka and Six Haiku, by Genmai (David W. McFadden) chapbook, 5 ½ x 8 1/2, 12 pages, published in an edition of 150 copies, 1996, for a reading at the TREE Reading Series, Ottawa. 2 copies, $30 each. 8. The Appetites of Tiny Hands, by Natalee Caple chapbook, 5 ½ x 8 1/2, 16 pages, published in an edition of 150 copies, 1997 for a night above/ground at the Imperial Library Pub, Toronto, featuring Natalee Caple, Stephen Cain, Jim Larwill & rob mclennan. these poems were later included in her first trade collection, A More Tender Ocean (2000, Coach House Books). 2 copies, $25 each. 9. In the Valley of the Shadow of Poets' Corner, Joe Blades (2nd printing) chapbook, 5 ½ x 8 1/2, 28 pages, published in 1994 as above/ground press poetry chapbook series #5. 2 copies, $25 each. 10. breath & bone, by rob mclennan chapbook, 5 ½ x 8 1/2, 24 pages, published in an edition of 150 copies, 2002. published for handout during an Irish reading tour, January 2002 with Stephen Brockwell. the poems later appeared in his trade collection, paper hotel (2002, Broken Jaw Press). 2 copies, $30 each. Make cheques payable to rob mclennan, 858 Somerset St W, Main Floor, Ottawa Ontario Canada, K1R 6R7. In Canada, these are Canadian prices. Anywhere else, they become American prices. for further backlist items not outrageously expensive, check out www.track0.com/rob_mclennan -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 00:31:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: #0001 - #0003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #0001 - #0003 married, and helps no or that I chilled to the bone move married, and helps no or that I move chilled to the bone run the Yaddo To judge the quality himself should all right?" run the Yaddo To judge the quality all right?" himself should Institute, a "Granted," answered case in whilk we stones and branches, Institute, a "Granted," answered stones and branches, case in whilk we writers' foundation. 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Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/15/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 01:27:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Interview with Sherman Austin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit August 16, 2003 "They grabbed my neck and hurled me out of the courtroom, put me in this black SUV and then drove me to a federal building..." an Interview with Sherman Austin By MERLIN CHOWKWANYUN http://counterpunch.org/merlin08162003.html On August 4th, U.S. District Court Judge Steven V. Wilson, a Reagan appointee, sentenced 20-year-old Southern California anarchist Sherman Austin to a year in federal prison, three years of probation and a $2,000 fine. Austin is the webmaster of the anarchist website www.raisethefist.com. Nearly two years ago on January 24, 2002, federal law enforcement agents raided Austin's Sherman Oaks, CA home and seized all his computers and other possessions. In late 2002, after months of legal limbo and harassment in between, federal prosecutors formally accused Austin of distributing information on explosives with the knowledge that some readers would use such info to commit a federal violent crime. That became a federal 'crime' in 1997, when Sen. Dianne Feinstein attached a blatantly unconstitutional amendment to a defense spending bill. The offending web material on his raisethefist.com was part of an Internet tract called the "Reclaim Guide" that Austin didn't even author -- but for which he had offered free hosting on his site. Although Austin initially planned to fight the charge and go to trial, he later learned this could have entailed risking up to 20 years in prison under penalty clauses in the 1997 federal law. Additionally, there existed terrorism sentencing enhancements first enacted in 1995 that saw their reach broaden under subsequent legislation, including the notorious 1996 Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, a Patriot Act antecedent signed with much fanfare by Bill Clinton. Austin thus accepted a plea bargain under which he was sentence. His case has major implications for civil liberties and cyberlaw. It also is a case study in post-9/11 judicial railroading, the dereliction of duty by the establishment left (Mother Jones et. al) to cover it adequately, and the escalating clamp-down on dissent towards which many socially and politically disconnected Americans seem (sometimes cheerfully) oblivious. And the case demonstrates that Ashcroft Justice existed long before spineless Democrats abdicated the executive office. Much discussion about Austin has come from inaccurate secondhand information. The interview below, derived from a series of lengthy conversations the author had with Austin, allows Austin to narrate, in his own words, all the (sometimes farcical) twists leading up to his sentencing. THE RAID, LEGAL BACKGROUND MERLIN CHOWKWANYUN: Let's start from Point A. What happened? How did this all begin? You were living in Sherman Oaks, CA on January 24, 2002. SHERMAN AUSTIN: It was around 4 p.m. in the afternoon. I was just taking a nap. Luckily, my sister was home. She went out with her friend, and when she was leaving, when she was walking to her car, she noticed a lot of FBI-looking cars and agents with those earpieces, parked all up and down the street. She knew something wasn't right. She ran back into the house and told me what was up, so I got up and went to the front door. Two special agents at the front door pulled me outside. By that time, they had already had the house surrounded with loaded weapons, machine guns, shotguns...about 25 federal agents. MC: What was your first reaction? Did you know what they were coming for? SA: Yeah, I wasn't really surprised. Right when my sister told me, when I woke up, I pretty much knew why they were there. They had been monitoring the site for a very long time, and at times, I received over 100 hits from the Department of Defense on the website, so I wasn't the slightest bit surprised. MC: What did the agents proceed to do? SA: They showed me a search warrant, and I just glanced at it. I was half-awake. I was just kind of taking it easy, not really putting up a fuss. They just went into the house. They searched all the rooms in the house. They knew where my room was. They went back there, looked at all the computers, asked me to come in and tell them what all the computers were for specifically so they knew how to dismantle the network I had been running. They searched the garage, pretty much everywhere with their guns still out and drawn. They still had people surrounding the house with their weapons drawn. MC: In addition to seizing the computer equipment, they also seized political literature. Is that correct? SA: Yeah, I had a big stack of political literature, everything from just newspapers to basic literature, books, bios. They just took that entire stack and put it in a big box as well as a bunch of protest signs I had. MC: The warrant refers to documents and materials with keywords like, "International Monetary Fund," "IMF," "WEF," anything anyone involved with the anti-globalization movement would read. After they seized this, then what happened? SA: They came into my room, took out all the computers, and mirrored each hard drive. When they were done downloading all the information off each hard drive, they took all the computers, all the literature, and loaded everything into a big white truck and left. My room was ransacked. After that, I just took pictures of my room, the way they left it, and wrote an article about what happened and posted it around. I was still planning to go to the World Economic Forum (WEF) protest in New York [in early February 2002], even despite what happened. I drove to New York in my car. When I got there, I didn't get a chance to march really. I was just standing in Columbus Circle, and then about 15-20 police officers just rushed us. They completely broke through this line of media people. They arrested about 26 of us. I was in jail for about 30 hours. I think mostly everyone else was in there for about 20 to 25 hours. While I was in jail, they handcuffed me and took me to a backroom, where a detective from the FBI and a Secret Service agent were, and they interrogated me for about three or four hours. During this whole time, I kept noticing more and more FBI agents walking in and out of the room. They asked me stupid questions like if I was a terrorist or involved in any terrorist organizations. I told them, "No," and it's funny, he [an agent] looked at me like I was seriously a terrorist and that I was lying to him. You know how they use those interrogation tactics on you? It's just unbelievable. There's no way to describe it. MC: They knew you were coming to New York? SA: What I had later learned was that the FBI knew I was going to New York a couple days after the raid. The Secret Service notified the Chief of Police to pick me up and arrest me. I guess they just wanted to scoop a bunch of people up, hoping they got me, and unfortunately they did. MC: After your arrest and the 30 hours, what happened? SA: I was released and waiting in the court for someone to pick me up for about 30 minutes. About five, six FBI agents walked into the courthouse and arrested me. They said I was being arrested for distribution of information related to explosives over the Internet. I asked, "Why didn't you arrest me in California?" When I was raided in California, they said, "You're in trouble, but you're free to go right now. You're not going to be arrested. You can leave right now." They grabbed my neck and hurled me out of the courtroom, put me in this black SUV and then drove me to a federal building, where they processed me. They put me in a maximum-security federal jail facility in downtown Manhattan, where I was at for about 11 days until I was taken to Oklahoma. MC: How long were you in Oklahoma? SA: I was in Oklahoma federal jail for about two days, so it was a total of 13 days in custody. We were going to try and see if I could get bail, but at the bail hearing, the judge denied me bail because the FBI had said I was a "man on the mission" and that I was coming to "carry out" plans of action. When they searched my car, they said that they found a gasoline canister and I think duct tape. Who wouldn't have a gasoline canister on them when driving 3,000 miles across country? MC: What exactly was on the website that they found so alarming or that they claimed to find so alarming? SA: There was a link posted on my site to another site, which wasn't affiliated with raisethefist.com, but which was hosted on the same server because I gave hosting space to different people who wanted some free hosting. I just provided the link to that site. It was called the Reclaim Guide. It was just a general protest guide that went over security culture and stuff like that. A small portion of that guide dealt with explosives information. This information was just pathetic compared to the type of stuff you could find in any library or any other website. There's so much detailed information out there on explosives and how to use and build explosives that you can find on the Internet. If someone wanted to use explosives for illegal purposes, I don't think they would rely on raisethefist.com to get their information because there's so much information out there readily available. There's something on the Internet called the White Resistance Manual. It's pretty much for white supremacists. It's a manual to carry out a large-scale guerilla campaign through means of assassination, threats, obtaining funds through fraud, everything from firearms to explosives. I've seen, not surprisingly, no action taken against those people, but here I am, an anarchist website, not even close to what that is, not even close to what else you can find on the Internet. While they were at my house, interrogating me, they asked me about seven times if I authored the Reclaim Guide. I told them seven times I didn't author it. In the arrest warrant that they had written after the raid when they arrested me in New York, it says that I told them I authored the Reclaim Guide. It's funny how they try to slip it by and build a whole fraudulent case against you with things that you didn't do. MC: Now what was the exact charge? Its not just that information about explosives was on the server, but there was also this clause on intent... SA: From what I've heard, it's not illegal to distribute information on explosives. What's illegal is the intent part. It's such a weird charge because it's almost like thought crime. How do you prove that someone has intent? I can go on to tons of other websites that have explosives information on them, especially white supremacy web sites. We obviously know they have intent because they've used that type of information before against people. They're not being prosecuted for it. To me, it makes it better for them because that way they can use that as a form of selective enforcement on whom they want to bring charges against with that type of charge and whom they just want to let by and let off the hook. It's almost like how they prove intent is if maybe you're an anarchist or a socialist or a communist or just anyone who doesn't agree with the way things are currently going in this political climate right now. It's interesting because...I'd said this before...how do they prove intent? Bush made that pretty obvious when he said, "You're either with us or against us." If you disagree, you have intent, right then and there. MC: I've read one affidavit in which the FBI still claims that you wrote the Reclaim Guide, even though it's fairly obvious that you didn't. If you go to archive.org, you can actually see the old site, and it's very obvious that the site's structure links, as you said, to a bunch of different sites. From what I understand, the FBI knew that you didn't author it, and they still persisted in claiming that you did. Is that correct? SA: Yeah. We went through a number of different plea agreements because things were always getting changed, and every time they presented us with a new and different plea agreement, the prosecutors or the FBI always put back in that I authored the explosives information. The FBI even interviewed the person who authored the explosives information on that site that I was hosting. They knew, even before the raid, that I did not author that information, but they still tried to say I did in the search warrant and everything. MC: So after the WEF protest, the arrest in New York and the two days spent in Oklahoma in Feb. 2002, what happened? SA: After that, I was pretty much released because the prosecutors decided they didn't want to file an indictment. I'm assuming they wanted to go through all my computers first. My lawyer had a court order put in to send me back on a plane to Los Angeles by myself, so I was flown back to Los Angeles. I didn't have anything. All my clothes I took with me, my car, my wallet, my money, everything I had with me was still in New York. All I had with me was my belt. I received my wallet about two weeks later from my lawyer in New York. MC: How much time elapsed before you heard again from a prosecutor or authority figure? SA: It was about six months until we heard again from the prosecutor, but in between that time, there was a lot of harassment from authority figures and local police...being followed by detectives, being followed by FBI agents at protests. It was funny because the first protest I went to after I got out was in Irvine. It was against Taco Bell because of the way they exploit their farm workers, tomato pickers in Florida. When I went there, they had an FBI agent there, and they had another FBI agent there in the crowd, and he was just standing two feet in front of me, taking pictures of me. He must have taken at least 10 or 20 pictures of me. I had to be escorted out of the protest by people with the National Lawyers Guild because they were surveilling me the whole time. It was unbelievable. Things like that have happened. I've been riding my bike down the street at night, and a police officer will stop me, and he'll know my name. Two other cops will come, and they both will know my name and ask me about my website. They'll start asking me about my website and ask questions like, "Why do you hate cops so much?" They will try to debate me and argue with me on anarchism and everything like that. It's just ongoing harassment. MC: Later in 2002, when you heard from a prosecutor again, what happened? SA: My lawyer told me that the prosecutor called him and said that they didn't really find anything on my computers to get me for -- but they didn't want to let me off the hook. At first I wanted to fight the charges, but then I decided to take a pre-indictment binding plea, which was going to be one month in jail and five months in a community corrections facility. We got that set up, and then I went to court to enter the plea before the judge, and the judge rejected it because he wanted me to serve more time. After that, we went back to the drawing board and worked up another plea, which was just a sentencing range between 6 and 12 months. It wasn't as specific as the first plea, where it said one month in jail, five months in community corrections. We went back with that, but by the time we went back to court for that, my criminal history went back up another point because of another conviction I had because I was pulled over by the Long Beach police for a broken headlight. At that time, I didn't know my license was suspended because I had never received anything in the mail, so when they pulled me over, they asked me if I knew my license was suspended, and I said, "No." They took my car, and I was convicted because when you're driving with a suspended license, it's a criminal conviction. That went on my record, and since it was two convictions, my criminal history category went up. My sentencing range changed from between 6 and 12 months to 8 and 14 months. MC: And now, you initially weren't going to do a plea bargain. You were actually going to go to trial on principle. SA: Yeah, at first I just wanted to go to trial because all I was going to risk was three to four years in prison. We learned that was different after we consulted a probation officer on the case, and we learned that a terrorism enhancement was applicable to what I was being charged with. What that is that it's the judge's decision where he can add on up to 20 years onto your sentence, so if I had gone to trial, I'd have risked anywhere from 20 to 24 years in federal prison. MC: The judge, Stephen V. Wilson, was unhappy with the eventual plea agreement and expressed this during a hearing on June 30, 2003. That's when you were initially scheduled to receive your final sentence. What did he say then? SA: We went in there, and my lawyer was telling the judge how I just got caught up and I didn't really think about what was posted on the website. My lawyer asked if he accepted the plea. The judge turned pretty defiant. It seemed like he already had different plans made up. He said that this should be looked at with more of a deterrent outcome to future "revolutionaries" wanting to act in a similar manner. He just openly admitted that he wanted to make an example out of me. He said also to the prosecutors something like, "Out of all the nonsense cases you bring me, you finally bring me something serious but don't take it seriously." The atmosphere of the courtroom was nothing but political at that time. It was completely obvious that this was nothing but a political case. He made it clear that he wanted to give me a lot of jail time. He said that he wanted to give me at least between 8 and 10 months in jail, but before making his final decision, he asked the prosecutors what the Justice Department thought about the case. It's pretty irrelevant to the case because it's the prosecutors who are representing the government, not necessarily the Justice Department. That's what the prosecution told the judge. The judge told the prosecution to get head FBI Director [Robert] Mueller's opinion on the case. The judge wanted him to consult on the case and get his opinion and recommendation on sentencing. MC: The judge used the word "revolutionaries." He seemed to hint that you might also be a violent person, a harm to others. Can you talk about the psychological study you underwent to try and refute that? SA: My lawyer said it was a good idea that I go see a psychologist and go under a psychological analysis to prove that I was a non-violent person by nature. I went into that, and the psychologist wrote up an entire report on me, stating that I was a non-violent person and that jail wouldn't be the right sentence for me to serve. I think she recommended something different like community service or something like that. I think that pissed off the judge even more. He said that this had nothing to do with psychology. He was pretty turned off by it. He acted like it was completely irrelevant to the case. THE SENTENCE MC: So now on June 30, 2003, he delayed the sentencing to July 28, 2003. What happened then? SA: Well, we went back to court on July 28, and when we got there, we learned that the clerk never entered it into the judge's schedule, so it was actually never scheduled that day. So then, after that, we got it rescheduled for next Monday, a week later. We went back on next Monday, which was on August 4th, for sentencing. We went back, and the judge asked the prosecutor what the FBI thought and what the Justice Department thought. And the FBI and Justice Department were both on board with the plea. They both agreed with it...the sentencing guidelines of four months in jail and four months in community confinement. And the judge just asked my lawyer a few questions. My lawyer advised me that I should just tell the judge a lot had changed since the incident...I was 18 then, and I'm 20 now...and it was just try and tell the judge that I was a good person, just try and set a positive image. But all of that was pretty much completely irrelevant to the judge. It looked like he already had his mind set and his mind made up. He just announced that he wanted to give me 12 months in prison. MC: It seems like he had hoped that the FBI would also propose a very harsh sentence, and then when it didn't do that, he just basically ignored what it suggested. What was the reaction of people in the courtroom? SA: Everyone seemed pretty shocked. The FBI, I don't think they were shocked. They pretty much came out with smiles on their faces. I think the prosecutors were a little bit shocked. Everyone else who was there was shocked. It was pretty saddening. It was pretty horrible that this judge was just going to give me 12 months in prison for no other reason really than to set an example, for no other reason than my political views. MC: Did he give a clear reason why he chose to go with 12 months even though the FBI had suggested four months? SA: His only reason was that he wanted to set an example for, in his words, future "revolutionaries." MC: In addition to the one-year sentence in federal prison, there are also three years of probation. When I read these probation provisions, I was quite shocked. These are very strict and draconian provisions. Can you tell us what they are? SA: One of them is that I can't associate with any group or persons who advocate violence or political or social or economic change. Basically, I can't associate myself with anarchists. It actually says that on the pre-sentencing report, that I can't associate myself with anarchists or anarchist associations. If I have to use a computer for work, I have to consult with the probation officer, but I can't use a computer for any type of political organizing or any type of political use. It's just obvious that they're just trying to keep me away from a computer. As long as I'm using it for work to make money for income, for a job, it's fine, but even with that, I'm going to have very intense restrictions. I'm going to have my computer probably seized at least once a week or once every two weeks. I'm going to have to have tracking software installed on my computers. I'm going to have to surrender DSL phone bills and everything like that so they can monitor every little thing I'm doing. MC: So there was this Reclaim Guide on there. You didn't author it. You were merely loaning out some server space. Right after you were sentenced, there was a lot of erroneous media coverage. In particular, there was an AP article that a lot of sources across the country seemed to pick up. SA: After my sentencing, the AP article was written to make it sound like I was the one who actually authored the explosives information, and not just that, but that my entire website was also explosives information. They didn't point out that raisethefist.com was just an open publishing website, and just a small portion of that website contained a link to another website that had explosives information on it. They made it sound like I authored the information and the entire website was about explosives, and they also made it sound like I apologized for making the entire website, like I was just some stupid little kid who didn't know any better and was just completely intimidated by what the FBI had done. MC: When will you have to report for prison, and do you know where you are going? SA: The date when I'm going to have to surrender myself is September 3, which will be next month. I'm not sure exactly where I'm going to be at, but I have an idea. They might send me to Lompoc. They might send me to Boron or Nellis. They might send me to Terminal Island. It's all up to the Bureau of Prisons. RACIAL DIMENSIONS MC: You are an African-American male. What did you learn about the racial dimensions of this case and this legal system? SA: There are definitely racial implications in this case. We're dealing with a system that has more people locked up in the prison industrial-complex than any other country in the world. The longest I've been to jail is 13 days, but every time I've gone, it's obvious there are racial implications. We're dealing with a very racist institution. I felt if I had been white and had a lot of money, I could have bought my way out of this. It's just disgusting what the system is doing, not just to people who are politically involved but people who just happen to be black. There've been times where I've been waiting in jail and seen young black males come back in tears because they've had to take a plea and gotten 14 years because they've basically been convinced that they couldn't fight the system. Number one, they're a person of color. They come from a low-income background. They don't have the money to afford a private attorney like a lot of other people do who happen to be white. We can look at the people at Enron, who are just barely getting a slap on the wrist, if anything. It's such blatant racism if you look at it. MC: The most outrageous irony to this case is that while you will be going to prison for one year for raisethefist.com, Kenneth Lay, the ex-head of Enron, has not been indicted on anything. In your case, in terms of racial dimensions, the person who actually did author the Reclaim Guide, he was white and from a fairly affluent background. SA: Yeah, and I think he realizes that too. It's just so obvious. Why didn't they go after him? If you look at the charge, they could have just as much indicted him as they wanted to indict me, but they decided to go after me instead of him. REFLECTIONS MC: What do you say to people who have fears and are worried about getting involved politically? SA: First of all, don't let them intimidate you. Don't let them keep you into a state of fear where you become pacified and too afraid to stand up and voice your opinion because that's what they want to do. If they keep us pacified in a state of fear, they have us under control. We have a very serious problem if they're able to do that. If we don't speak up, who's going to speak up? It's only up to us to do what has to be done to stop this problem, to stop this system and this government from doing what they're doing. The best advice I can give to people is don't be intimidated. Don't let them scare you into not getting politically active. There're more of us than there are of them. They can't come after every single one of us. If we all stand up, and we all take the initiative to take an active role in challenging the system, they won't be able to do anything about it. They don't have the capacity to lock us all up. They're definitely going to try and lock a bunch of us away and silence a bunch of us, but they don't have the capacity to silence us 100%. MC: Will raisethefist.com continue to run? SA: Yeah, I'm working on currently setting up a team to keep the site going and to make sure, if something happens with our current host, that we can get the site moved to another backup server immediately so we can eliminate any long-term downtime. MC: I must say that, in my opinion, liberal, bourgeois organizations like the ACLU and institutional publications like The Nation and Mother Jones really dropped the ball on this case. I think the only publications that really deserve a pat on the back are the Village Voice, the LA Weekly, the Washington Post of all papers, and a very little-known newsletter called the Progressive Populist, and of course, IndyMedia. What's your take? SA: It's kind of weird and messed up. It's confusing. Why wouldn't the ACLU want to take something on like this? They were contacted almost immediately after I was arrested in New York by the FBI. They said they didn't do criminal cases and couldn't do anything. It's obviously a case that deals with civil liberties and freedom of speech. When the government will come after us, they'll tack these charges on us as criminal cases. It looks like there are going to be more and more criminal cases that involve civil liberties than there are going to be civil suits. I think the ACLU, if they want to really start defending people on their civil liberties, should really think about reorganizing the way they represent people in court. OTHER ALLEGATIONS IN FBI DOCUMENTS MC: I have to ask you to address one issue -- and it's in many ways not a relevant question because it wasn't even part of that one final charge -- but I'm asking it because many observers hostile to your political orientation may pounce on it, and you should have a chance to respond. In the warrant and in this FBI memorandum I'm reading now, there are sections on alleged "defacements" of private web sites and such. SA: They never proved anything. They sure had a bunch of stuff about it in the warrant, arrest affidavit, and discovery materials. We were thinking, since they included it so much, why didn't the prosecutors just charge me with that -- instead of the distribution of information charge since that was a charge the judge was going to reject their suggested sentencing range for. But they didn't want to do it, I'm assuming, because they didn't have enough to prove it. MC: Right. I mean, I've always found it peculiar that if those other supposed accusations were correct, why they didn't just go for that instead of this distribution charge with intent, which is significantly harder to show. SA: The same with the "firearm," Molotov cocktail charge. MC: What about the actual crime some FBI documents were claiming -- the defacements and admitting to it? Is the FBI memorandum inaccurate when they say that you admitted to the this stuff? Did they take something you said out of context? SA: I don't remember their asking me to admit it. I remember their saying, "Did you hack into any web site?" and "Did you hack into any government computer systems?" I was about to tell them, "No," then they kept cutting me off saying, "If you did or don't know, then don't tell us." I don't remember admitting anything to them except that I ran raisethefist.com, and I was an anarchist, and again, I must have told them seven times straight out that I didn't author the reclaim guide when they were right there at my house, but they put in that I told them I authored it. MC: On some sites, there are citations to an interview you did with some reporter, in which you supposedly admitted to the defacing. Now, reporters screw up all the time or misquote. Is that what happened there? SA: It was probably a misquote, or I was answering a different question of his. I remember that interview actually. It was over AIM while I was on the east coast before the WEF. I had tons of FTP servers and passwords stored on my computers for web sites, which were my clients'. They voluntarily gave them to me because I uploaded and installed my software on their servers. They also said I did credit card fraud too. It was the same thing with credit cards, which were also in my client database, from clients who purchased my software and at times would pay for things on a monthly basis They said my whole client database, which had my clients' credit cards and billing info in it, was a database of stolen credit cards I was using for credit card fraud A lot of people who also ordered my software were using stolen credit cards. I'd find out every time I got a charge back. These charges were always reported as fraudulent charges as well, so in my client database I had people's orders with their billing info and credit card numbers for orders that were made by other people doing credit card fraud. I was also running Linux 6.0, which had various exploits in it. One I remember specifically was an exploit in the DNS, which gave anyone complete access to my server. Several times people used my server to try and break into the FDIC and other government computer systems. MC: I never asked you about the way the FBI interrogation took place. Would you describe it as coercive? Were they constantly interrupting you, bullying you into answers, trying to pigeonhole you into saying certain things? SA: They were playing the good cop, bad cop game. [FBI Agent] John Pi tried to play nice like he was my friend. They would ask questions, and if I didn't answer, go back to them later and ask them again. The Secret Service, too, held up a picture of Bush with crosshairs over him that he found on my site and asked if I wanted to kill the president. I said, "No," then he asked, "Well would you like to see the president killed?" MC: Do you wish you went to trial also so you could refute those defacement claims? I know that wasn't in the eventual charge, but I'm sure they would have tried to introduce it somehow, perhaps to tar your character. SA: If I knew I was going to get a year under the plea, yeah, I would have taken it to trial. LAW ENFORCEMENT SURVEILLANCE AND ONGOING HARASSMENT MC: Can you talk about the Long Beach Police Department, what sort of things they've been doing, and how long it's been going on? SA: I moved to Long Beach in 2002 around March, when I had first got out of federal jail in New York and when I got raisethefist.com back up and everything. I thought the LAPD was bad. When I got to Long Beach, I'd never seen a police force more crazy than the LAPD. When I moved, I experienced everything from getting followed to having undercover detectives parked in front of where I was living, just watching people come in and out. I saw a lot of weird stuff happen where undercover police have looked into my car, walked around it, and then walked off after I saw them and pretended that they were ordinary people listening to walkmen. They'd have little headphones, earpieces in their ears, but of course they weren't hooked up to any walkmen. They were hooked up to a walkie-talkie or something. I've seen so much, not just happen to me, but other people around me. I can go back to May 1, 2001. That was actually my first time coming to Long Beach. We tried to have a peaceful march on the streets as a celebration of workers' rights day. It was May Day, and just two minutes into the march, police were already swinging their batons at us. Eventually, they just lured us into this trap and opened fire on us with all this riot gear and all these rubber bullets. That was an outrageous brutal attack. That was a bloody brutal attack. They broke people's arms. I myself was shot twice. I had embedded penetrating wounds in my calf, which I still have scars of today, and I still have one of the fragments embedded in my leg today, two and a half years later. Even after that, the repression from Long Beach Police Department continued to intensify. They didn't just come after me, but other people like Matthew Lamont [a Long Beach-area anarchist], who's in jail right now. He just pleaded no contest and got two years, and he has an appeal in October. We used to have an infoshop in Long Beach. It was an anarchist community empowerment center. On Hitler's birthday, Matthew Lamont was followed from the infoshop by two Long Beach detectives into Whittier, and he was pulled over, and they arrested him on explosives charges. They were saying that he was going to blow up a Nazi party that was supposed to happen that day. There was no Nazi party scheduled for that day. He was arrested and taken to Orange County jail facility and put in solitary confinement. He had court hearings at least a few times a month, and we would always go to his court hearings. Every time I'd go to his court hearings, I'd just come within a few blocks of the courthouse, and all of a sudden I would have at least five cop cars following me until I parked and got out of my car, and then they would get out of the car and ask why I was there...just basically harass me and intimidate me. I'd walk into the courthouse, and sheriffs inside of the courthouse would come up to me and ask if there was anything planned for that day. They would treat me like I was some leader or something. I'm just some ordinary guy with a website just coming to view a public court hearing, which is supposed to be a constitutional right, but the way they intimidate you, the way they harass you, it seems like they don't even want you to come. There's Javier Perez, who was deported after May Day. He's actually in Mexico right now and doesn't have enough money to make it back to the U.S. There's Robert Middaugh, who was actually supposed to get out of jail after serving two years, and then they arrested him again and put him back in. I think he's out on bail now, but they're trying to get him back in for even more time, even more years. MC: What kind of things are they trying to charge them for? SA: Javier Perez, he was in jail, and they got him to sign a voluntary deportation form in which they would let him out if they deported him to Mexico. I think when he first came to the United States, he was two-years-old. He doesn't even speak Spanish. He didn't even grow up in Mexico. What was he supposed to do there? It's been really hard for him to make it through all this. Robert Middaugh, I can't remember the exact charge, but I know that what they're trying to charge him with now is assault on a federal police officer from an incident that happened in Wilshire, in downtown at the federal building, when an anti-immigrant group was there having a demonstration on the fourth of July a few years ago. I think he was arrested, and one of the police officers said that he threw a soda at him with his right hand but in fact he's left-handed. They're trying to give him some more time for that. It's just absolutely ridiculous what they're doing, which is just coming down on anyone and everyone they can. They're not just coming down after those people, but the Long Beach police have routinely just stopped people on the street just because they're wearing black or they look like an anarchist. They've stopped and harassed them, followed them to the apartment, searched them. In one case, one guy came into our center who was crying because he said the police threw him to the ground and put guns to his head and asked him if he was affiliated with the infoshop we were running, and he said, "No." He had no idea who we were until that happened. It was interesting because a lot of people started coming in and telling us that police had been following them and harassing them and trying to search them because they were suspected of being anarchists. A wave of people were coming in and telling us what was going on. MC: Has any effort been made to file complaints or lawsuits against these cops? SA: Yeah, there've been a lot of complaints filed. From what I know right now, there's a lawyer who's setting up individual lawsuits from what happened on May 1, 2001. I'm not sure how soon that's all going to go through, but I know that they tried to do a big civil case, and I think it was denied. Since that happened, she's trying to get individual lawsuits going. MC: When you walk around Long Beach, they seem to recognize you. SA: They've told me my picture is hanging up in the Long Beach police station. Ever since I've moved to Long Beach, I've been pulled over so many times and harassed by police. MC: What techniques did the FBI use to watch you? SA: They were packeting my Internet line, which is basically monitoring all incoming and outgoing information...all data going in and out of my DSL connection. And through that, they were able to get passwords and things like my e-mail accounts, my instant messenger accounts. On numerous occasions, they blocked me out of my e-mail accounts, changed the passwords, used the e-mail accounts to change the domain name server [DNS settings] on my domain and make it non-accessible on the Internet...and then playing around with me, sending me an instant message, using my own screenname online, and telling me the password of the e-mail account and warning me not to change it, saying that they were watching me. They've gone into my instant messenger accounts, completely taken control over them. They would start instant messaging people, "You're next," and stuff like that. I remember one time they came into my account, and I caught them one time, and they threatened me like, "Your ass is going to jail." They said a bunch of stuff. It was pretty obvious they were packeting my line and looking through, basically downloading all the information they were getting that was coming in and out of my DSL connection. When they would talk to people on my screenname, they'd use the exact same wording that I'd use. They tried to impersonate me word for word, use the exact same wording I was using. It was pretty obvious they were monitoring my conversations pretty extensively on a daily basis, and they were watching everything pretty closely. MC: I understand you were also able to look at logs of IP addresses [personally identifiable numbers assigned to computers on the Internet] and things like that and that was a second way of confirming they were packeting your line. Is that correct? SA: Exactly. When they were getting onto my screennames, I was able to get their IP addresses, and I remember tracerouting the IP address to a location in Los Angeles down to a zip code, and within that same zip code was a federal building. This happened on a lot of occasions. Once I started getting their IPs, I noticed they kept changing their IP addresses. I was able to find out they were the same people going into my e-mail address and using that to knock my domain offline. I remember when I was blocked out of my e-mail address, I was assuming someone was in there checking all the e-mails I was getting. I sent an e-mail to the e-mail address with a little script that logged the IP of anyone who opened up any message, and it was the same IP address of the people that I was logging who were on my screenname, so that meant it was the same IP address of the person who logged into my e-mail account and then used my e-mail to knock my domain offline by changing the DNS servers. MC: When you were speaking with these people, did you ever raise this issue with them? SA: Yeah, I always raised that issue. Sometimes, they would just play stupid and not say anything. Other times, they would just openly admit it. They would tell me the name of my ISP. They would know my name. They would know names of my friends. They would know where I was living, what my phone number was. They would know what I was looking at online, what I was doing, and things like that. They were saying a lot of racist and sexist things as well, not just to me but to other people, and a lot of threats too like, "You're going to jail." Even death threats sometimes. It was pretty disgusting what they were doing. The funny thing is...do they not know we know who they're working for and what they're doing? It seems like everything they were doing was an intimidation tactic to say, "We're watching you. You'd better watch out. MC: What was their rationale for shutting down the anarchist infoshop? SA: We had a benefit show for raisethefist last year in December. About six police officers came with a noise complaint. We decided to end the show early because we didn't want to risk any more trouble or anything like that. About three days later, our leasing company, Crestwave, contacted us and said that the police called them and said that when they went to show, the door was slammed in their face and someone tried to assault them. The police told them that if they didn't evict us, they were going to take legal action against them. They put pressure on our leasing company to evict us. On May 3, they evicted us. We had to shut down the place. MC: People are stunned at how calm you manage to be through this. The FBI, the prosecutors, were treating you at some points like the most dangerous man in America. I know some of your friends and your mother in the courtroom were shocked. How are you so calm, and what's going through your mind right now? SA: I guess I'm so calm because I've probably gotten used in the past few years to all the harassment and all the things that have been going on, constantly in this legal limbo, having to go back and forth to court, having the thought that I'm potentially going to be facing a long time in prison just there in my mind for a while now. I've gotten so used to it that I pretty much expected them to come down on me the way they did. I wasn't really surprised when the judge gave me a 12-month prison sentence in federal prison. If you really look at it, that's the nature of this government. This government has been persecuting people for their political beliefs ever since the day it was founded. Its been persecuting people for the color of their skin ever since the day it was founded. Look what happened in the 1960s and early 1970s. They completely annihilated political organizations. They assassinated political organizers, framed them up, locked them up in jail. Some people just disappeared. They infiltrated organizations. It's not surprising to see what they're doing. That's the nature of this government. It's going to be the nature of this system unless we continue to fight back and do whatever we have to do that's necessary to put an end to it. The most important thing is just to stay focused and have determination. I don't want them to scare me into thinking that I can't continue doing what I'm doing. The more they're going to come down on me, the more I'm going to organize and continue do things within the community and raisethefist. Portions of this interview were previously aired on WBAR 87.9 FM NYC (www.wbar.org). Minor edits were made for length and clarity. Merlin Chowkwanyun is an investigative journalist and student at Columbia University and can be reached at mc2028@columbia.edu To help Sherman and find out more about an upcoming emergency benefit show in San Diego on Aug. 29th, visit la.indymedia.org and www.raisethefist.com for updates. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 15:18:14 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: (Fwd) NeWest Board President inducted into Hall of Fame DOUGLAS BARBOUR INDUCTED INTO HALL OF FAME Douglas Barbour, President of NeWest Press's Board of Directors, was inducted into Edmonton's Cultural Hall of Fame in June, at the City of Edmonton's 52nd Annual Salute to Excellence Awards. Barbour was one of eight artists and builders (including Jane Ash Poitras, Mel Hurtig, James Keane, and Mickey Macdonald) honoured by being added to the Cultural Hall of Fame. Rudy Wiebe (author of Playing Dead: A Contemplation Concerning The Arctic) and Monica Hughes are among the other writers already in the Cultural Hall of Fame. Barbour, author of Fragmenting Body etc and Lyric/Anti-lyric: Essays On Contemporary Poetry, was nominated for his work as a poet, teacher, editor, and board member at NeWest Press (and Longspoon Press). Photographs of all those in the Cultural Hall of Fame can be viewed in the Lee Pavilion of Edmonton's Citadel Theatre. CHAPBOOK BY STAN DRAGLAND WINS AWARD This year's bp Nichol chapbook award has been given to two authors: Stan Dragland for 12 Bars (Running The Goat Books and Broadsides) and Allan Brown for Imagines (Leaf Press). Stan Dragland is the author of Apocrypha: Further Journeys, a book of memoir and literary criticism which includes the poems of 12 Bars. The bp Nichol Chapbook Award was established in 1988, in memory of the noted Canadian poet, who was also one of the founding members of Phoenix Community Works Foundation in 1973. The award is used to promote and encourage the work of Canadian writers through the judging and presentation of the annual Chapbook Award. For more information on the award, see http://www.pcwf.ca/pcwf/new.php?ID=7 ORDERING INFORMATION Fragmenting Body etc by Douglas Barbour (1-896300-17-0) $14.95 CDN - $9.95 US Lyric/Anti-lyric: essays on contemporary poetry by Douglas Barbour (1-896300-50-2) $24.95 CDN - $19.95 US Apocrypha by Stan Dragland (1-896300-63-4) $24.95 CDN - $19.95 US -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 07:44:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Who? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit like the acid vomit of the fire of hell who and who and who who who whoooo and whooooooooooo! who? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:14:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: New@MyHomePages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed New @ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/new.html "Poet's Voices" -- Sara Fishko interviews Ann Lauterbach and Charles Bernstein for NPR's Morning Edition and WNYC's Studio 360 SPF: Rating Paul Wolfowitz (from Radical Society) Susan Bee and Charles Bernstein in conversation with James Shivers -- on their collaborations, from Artkrush "Electronic Pies in the Poetry Skies" - from The Politics of Information, ed. Marc Bousquet and Katherine Wills (Electronic Book Review) from *The Nude Formalism*, with pictures by Susan Bee (Sun & Moon, 1989) "A Defence of Poetry" (from My Way), with discussion, from the Cybergraphia site; sound file--mp3--of poem from Kenning In translation: Jorge Santiago Perednik's translation of "Dear Mr. Fanelli", "Close Listening; Poetry and the Performed Word" in Norwegian, and more. And note ... LINEbreak -- complete set of radio interview programs now in MP3. Radio Radio (2003) -- link to program 5 of Martin Spinelli's series: conversation, performance, sound: it's RADIO. http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/new.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 12:57:21 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: LITSAM@AOL.COM Subject: Yet another blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This one from California, where ya gotta call it a goobernatorial race at best! http://litsam.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 15:43:02 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Another journalist killed by US troops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not just any journaliust, but an activist journalist who worked to protect journalists and protect them from Big Brother, whether left or right. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/08/17/interna tional1436EDT0473.DTL Reuters cameraman killed near Baghdad Sunday, August 17, 2003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- (08-17) 12:36 PDT LONDON (AP) -- A Reuters cameraman was shot and killed Sunday while working near a U.S.-run prison on the outskirts of Baghdad, the London-based news agency said. Witnesses reported that Mazen Dana, 41, was filming outside Abu Ghraib prison in western Baghdad when he was shot, Reuters said. A Reuters staffer told The Associated Press in Baghdad that Dana, a Palestinian, appeared to have been shot by U.S. soldiers as he was videotaping outside the Abu Ghraib prison after a mortar attack there Sunday, in which six prisoners were killed and about 60 others were wounded. The staffer, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the videotape in Dana's camera showed two U.S. tanks coming toward him, two shots, apparently from the tanks, rang out and Dana fell to the ground. He was taken away by a U.S. helicopter for treatment. "Mazen was one of Reuters' finest cameramen and we are devastated by his loss. He was a brave and an award winning journalist who had worked in many of the world's hotspots," Stephen Jukes, Reuters' global head of news, said in a statement. "He was committed to covering the story wherever it was and he was an inspiration to friends and colleagues at Reuters and throughout the industry." A U.S. military statement issued in Baghdad confirmed "a fatal accident involving a civilian at Abu Ghraib prison" and said an investigation was underway. Dana's death brings to 17 the number of journalists killed in Iraq since the war started March 20. An outspoken critic of the Israeli government's treatment of journalists, Dana was honored by the Committee to Protect Journalists with an International Press Freedom Award in November 2001 for his work covering conflict in his hometown of Hebron in the West Bank. He was shot at least three times in 2000, according to the citation on the group's Web site. "Words and images are a public trust and for this reason I will continue with my work regardless of the hardships, even if it costs me my life," Dana said after accepting the award. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:05:40 -0400 Reply-To: Millie Niss on eathlink Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Millie Niss on eathlink Subject: new work bis: Penumbrae (Please give feedback!) Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have fixed glitches and are ready to release finally (we hope) a new = collaborative website: Penumbrae, being a collection of "dirty" (mostly = mildly risque rather than filthy) poems with clean photos and sound = recordings of the readings. The collection purports to be by a mother = and daughter who bear little resemblance to ourselves; hopefully the = fiction is part of the fun. Plus there is one more goodie in the piece = --- look for it! The buttons that load the sounds take a little while to appear on a = modem, but the wait is reasonable and if you go to the text and come = back the button will probably be loaded. We are really eager to get feedback and perhaps find a home for this = work. Two of the poems have been published previously, one online and = one in a print publication, but there is added material in the web = installation. Millie Niss & Martha Deed ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 17:58:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200308170601.h7H61GA23634@morse.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, George--was that Niagara or Viagra? We all want to know why the lightning was hitting you and not everybody else. Rachel L. P.S. Plus Maria and I wonder how you could have forgotten our nights in Peekskill. > george Bowering---wouldthat be your honeymoon you were on, G? > I understand > you had female compaionship on this trip. We would all want > to send you both > our good wishes, y'know. Love, Broms > >>And I just sat around watching national and local coverage > -- not writing > >>such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, > >>folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening > struck, despite > >>what PM Chretian said. > >> > >>Martha Deed > > > >Well, I was in Niagara Falls, Ont. a couple nights ago, and the > >lightning was hitting something every minute or less. > >-- > >George Bowering > >Lookin' good in shorts. > > > >303 Fielden Ave. > >Port Colborne. ON, > >L3K 4T5 > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:06:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: numb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII numb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb.exe numb skin numb flesh numb body numb mind numb ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 22:39:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb2.exe MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb2.exe it will be a name the consequences are very uncomfortable everything is difficult to live in unwanted nightmare of presentation not to look at the name numb/er ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 21:07:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: numb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dumb letters dumb words dumb lines dumb verse dumb ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Sondheim=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: numb numb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb.exe numb skin numb flesh numb body numb mind numb ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:27:58 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: numb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So, Alex, is this what you call speaking your mind? Wystan -----Original Message----- From: alexander saliby [mailto:alex39@MSN.COM] Sent: Monday, 18 August 2003 4:07 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: numb dumb letters dumb words dumb lines dumb verse dumb ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Sondheim To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: numb numb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb.exe numb skin numb flesh numb body numb mind numb ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:37:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: numb In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII did you bother to execute the program? On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, alexander saliby wrote: > dumb letters > dumb words > dumb lines > dumb verse > > dumb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alan Sondheim > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 6:06 PM > Subject: numb > > > numb > > http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb.exe > > numb skin > numb flesh > numb body > numb mind > > numb > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 23:55:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: new work bis: Penumbrae (Please give feedback!) Comments: To: Millie Niss on eathlink MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "who bear little resemblance to ourselves"---hmm, but I notice that your names combiined spell "Nissdeeds"....so perhaps the resemblance is greater than you think? Watson Holmes. -----Original Message----- From: Millie Niss on eathlink To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Sunday, August 17, 2003 2:05 PM Subject: new work bis: Penumbrae (Please give feedback!) >We have fixed glitches and are ready to release finally (we hope) a new collaborative website: Penumbrae, being a collection of "dirty" (mostly mildly risque rather than filthy) poems with clean photos and sound recordings of the readings. The collection purports to be by a mother and daughter who bear little resemblance to ourselves; hopefully the fiction is part of the fun. Plus there is one more goodie in the piece --- look for it! > >The buttons that load the sounds take a little while to appear on a modem, but the wait is reasonable and if you go to the text and come back the button will probably be loaded. > >We are really eager to get feedback and perhaps find a home for this work. Two of the poems have been published previously, one online and one in a print publication, but there is added material in the web installation. > >Millie Niss & Martha Deed > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:33:54 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Politics/Poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Whatever happened to the poem as poem?" -- Kenward Elmslie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:54:50 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: politics/poetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to have Kenward Elmslie out to Seattle once in a while to sing in his crazy-lady costumes. He had a very pretty song that went, "Whatever happened to the poem as poem, Sneaky Pete?" There was a loop-de-loop biplane in the poem for some reason I can't remember. Some of my nicest memories of poetry are him singing his songs. I didn't think he was very political, but one of his plays was cancelled in Seattle because he used a word that you can't use any longer -- perhaps it had to do with small black children. The play was called Postcards. The whole cast went on strike when he refused to strike the word out of the play. It was never produced at least not in Seattle where it was undergoing a full stage production until one of the young women in the play objected to this word. Darn it, I can't remember it. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:24:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: King of Spades MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit King of Spades She was watching a pale blue fluid move slowly through a tube from a beaker to a retort a fawn jumped out from the bushes and he chased her. She was running along the river. He caught up and just jumped on top of her Kafka was lost, too, in the hallways of the Imperial Palace, riding elevators that didn't serve his floor, shuffling one step ahead of sleep-walking co-eds, pockets stuffed with change She and I sloped each other's soar, nicked and wheezy as laughs, a mouth of nets, yet never once meant laugh. A whole lie had prevented itself, somewhere, for us Our fierce hum has forsaken us. I saw when I dove past it how light our loves had been to have not lifted a truce. When frost smothered her I leaked for moons electricity is very democratic running close to the edge the flow of information mobility, perfect timing the enemy the only place Detroit could buy gas I dreamed of intruders, inside and out. My muffled shots woke my son. Something in the wind points to fall, more than a month away, though smudged by woodsmoke, forest fires scorching Montana. The air's filling with seeds. His birthday letters tell a story of one man's intense life as it collided - as it's still colliding - with another's. There will be no survivors ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:45:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: CONSTANT LINEAR VELOCITY #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CONSTANT LINEAR VELOCITY #0001 Brought two one- pound notes. poor boy know, very ill. late stress, story. wish himself statue. becomes mad soon became part regular state, afterwards, intervals two Uncle. "master alick miss jane," cried one nurses two children, go -, flawed wind listening, thinking wind assailed tore heard policies procedures place. sorts pleasures, through pursued -. Better helped, nor extenuated. stroking up breasts pressed, yah, know yah, pon soul know yah!" disgrace attendant arched provocative. 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State evolution. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/15/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:06:13 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: What is the cost of failure for modern British poetry? Comments: To: info@saltpublishing.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit PRESS RELEASE The Failure of Conservatism in Modern British Poetry Andrew Duncan 228 x 152mm 356pp 1844710327 Hardback GBP 40.00 USD 56.95 AUD 110.95 1876857579 Paperback GBP 16.95 USD 23.95 AUD 46.95 What is the cost of failure for modern British poetry? In an explosive critical work by Andrew Duncan, surely intended to set the poetry world alight, we take a journey through every decade since 1950, taking stock of what feels like the entire national poetic output. In the ensuing melting pot of philosophies, transnational exchange, performance and experimentation, as well as the hilarious debunking of some recent trends in writing practice, we will see a new poetry emerging before our eyes; a poetry of ideas, international ambition, technical exploration and a conviction that serious poetry matters to the nation. Against this credo we will find an enormous range of poets from every decade revisited, lit up and celebrated for their contribution to a developmental vision of poetics. Most importantly, a wide range of disinherited British writers are drawn back from the silence of recent fashion and poetry politics and delivered to us as modern masters the country should be proud of. This intensively researched and polemical work exposes the silence and ignorance that has greeted British innovation in poetry since the 1950s, culminating in the almost total absence of British poets on the world stage. Duncan leads us into the vacuum to find a lost heritage of exciting and necessary work by poets across the spectrum of British society. Above all Duncan allows us to remember that poetry is a vital art that can be saved by a focus on the historical sinews of modernism and post modernism, a total engagement with the historical impetus to British innovation that reaches back to the Romantics. This is a must have book for anyone interested in the future of British poetic enterprise, from writing practice to publishing, teaching to research, and most importantly for contemporary reading. This is a book for the 21st century poet and reader, a book to which all other critical surveys must now pay homage and against which the current canon must now be tested. It marks an assault on a closed poetry infrastructure and reminds all young writers that the world is a large and complex place, a place demanding serious intellectual consideration and at every instance committed writing. "I think it is brilliant, exciting, often witty, and very important." -- Robert Potts For more information contact: Chris or Jen Hamilton-Emery Salt Publishing Tel: 01223 880929 Mobile: 07799 054889 Salt Publishing was formed in 2000 and is dedicated to the support and development of innovative literature from around the English-speaking world. Check out our website at http://www.saltpublishing.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 03:43:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: just working by butt off MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit just working by butt off - that's all - i am working on some subversive stuff right now i am uploading it now www.encyclopoetica.com/highland_shakespeare.htm sincerely, august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 07:05:08 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog: 50,000 readers & growing Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Reading Keats to Sleep - Gregg Biglieri as the Baryshnikov of words The BBC asks about flarf Oh, the books I've bought & been given Antiques Roadshow with Louis Zukofsky - A Useful Art More notes on the New Brutalism Jordan Davis' Million Poems Journal The Philly Sound - first impressions Jonathan Greene's pursuit of closure Revenant poetics? Christian Wiman & the George Romero School of Formalism Language poetry & emotion (a note on the New Brutalism) F.T. Prince, RIP The Philly Sound Ronald Johnson's The Shrubberies Reading Robert Grenier's "scrawl" Barbara Guest's Miniatures Is "Pathos" her greatest poem? Philip Guston: Poet's painter http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ 50,000 visitors since August 29 2002 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 08:50:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Pol/Po..Numb/Dumb... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Whatever happened to Kenward Elmslie as Kenward Elmslie"...the poem... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 05:54:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Long days of War and time drags on updated almost daily Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Begin forwarded message: > From: from here to eternity on eathlink > Date: Sun Aug 27, _00_ 2:06:41 PM USoftheussr/ > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: (new bias in premature feedback!) > Reply-To: Frank n common on from here to eternity on eathlink=20 > > Long days of War and time drags on updated almost daily @: > http://notagain.blogspot.com.com.notagain > =A0 > Sunday, Aug 12 > =A0=A0 Bad News, Bad News, and more bad news > =A0=A0 My Saturday Reverie of bad news > =A0=A0 It's 4 a.m., I will wrap of the bad news with a song > =A0 > Monday, Aug 13 > =A0=A0 In Consideration of Marriage Pt 2 (pt one appeared Aug 14) > what will become of the one person marriage? > Speakers: names to be remembered > =A0 > Wed, Aug 15 > =A0=A0 Fair and Balanced assumptions > =A0=A0 Lit Geek style, doggie style and christian style > =A0=A0 Peter, Paula & Frank on day the world end and what music to = expect > (this will be an participatory event) > =A0=A0 Intro to Breeding with Wolves (the human spirit out of sheep's=20= > clothes) > =A0 > Thus, sometime > =A0=A0 When Color is the lack of light ... > =A0 > Fri, late > =A0=A0 *** (three stars wrap up) > congenital breakfast 7 a.m. - 9 a.m. > > for further information: contact: itneverends@tobadbaby.org= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:43:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: when she is tired MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII when she is tired http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb3.exe view now number number: obasanjo olusegun whip took weapons same imaginations of a number of misguided morons? true (This is an lpmud I redesigned a number of years ago. Texts have been increase in numbers of bats numb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb.exe numb skin numb flesh numb body numb mind numb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb2.exe numb/er ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:05:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <000001c36523$e225e1a0$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Yes, George--was that Niagara or Viagra? We all want to know why the >lightning was hitting you and not everybody else. > >Rachel L. > >P.S. Plus Maria and I wonder how you could have forgotten our nights in >Peekskill. I have never been in Peekskill in my life. That must have been Bromige. But a couple weeks ago I was in Dayton. Wow. What a neat US city! And they tell me that Youngstown is even better! But where were you girls? I mean, Dayton is nice, but I hung around for two days in front of the Chucky Cheez, and didnt see either of you. > >> george Bowering---wouldthat be your honeymoon you were on, G? >> I understand >> you had female compaionship on this trip. We would all want >> to send you both >> our good wishes, y'know. Love, Broms > >> >>And I just sat around watching national and local coverage >> -- not writing >> >>such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, >> >>folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening >> struck, despite >> >>what PM Chretian said. >> >> >> >>Martha Deed >> > >> >Well, I was in Niagara Falls, Ont. a couple nights ago, and the >> >lightning was hitting something every minute or less. >> >-- >> >George Bowering > > >Lookin' good in shorts. > > > > > >303 Fielden Ave. > > >Port Colborne. ON, > > >L3K 4T5 > > > > > > > -- George Bowering Never been to Florida 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 11:18:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: any info on Brit poet Paul Brown (author of MASKER) will be appreciated MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit several years ago i was visiting friends in London, had the day to myself, and went to Foyle's, said to be the largest bookstore in the world. turns out what they really mean is that they have the largest number of books, while a Barnes & Noble in New York City has the largest bookstore by square feet. the books in the Barnes & Noble are pretty standard, and they really shouldn't brag when a place like Foyle's exists. hell, Gotham Bookmart is still far more interesting than that Goliath B&N. but in Foyle's i decided that i was going to look at every single book in the poetry section, one of the largest poetry sections i've ever seen in a store. to be honest, for whatever reason, most of the poetry in ANY bookstore in London was a disappointment. i mean, HOW can a country have poets like Tom Raworth and Simon Cutts, and have such a dismal selection on the shelves? but i came across the book MASKER by Paul Brown, and it was quite a find! "hmm, this has been here awhile," the clerk said, ringing me up. it was only $4.95, but had been on the shelf since 1982. amazingly, there were only 250 copies printed, and i found the last retail copy. there're so many poets in the world who write things we would love to read, and the Internet has come to save our lives with that, but there are still all these thousands of poets who wrote long before the net, poets like Paul Brown, who could change our sight and hearing, if only we could HAVE the opportunity. think of all the poets before paper and pens were mass-produced. now i'm beginning to sound like a child who is terrified of his therapist dying. but if any of you out there are familiar with Paul Brown (guess he was in London in the early 80s) i'd appreciate contact with him. my hope is that he continued writing his poems and is somewhere writing them right now. that is to say, that i hope he isn't one of those poets (i keep meeting them lately) who decide that it's time to "grow up" and put aside the pen and paper: living death. anyway, here's a piece from Paul Brown's MASKER. he's one of the few poets who uses similes i don't mind. is it just me who thinks so, or are similes for the lazier poets? May 22nd "Depend upon it, there is nothing so unnatural as the commonplace" -- Authur Conan Doyle A tribe of ancient bridges span the rivers source the esturary academic This congress interests me two nouns in the workers control that makes its nest in you like a duck on the deck of a row-boat or an ear between the eyes the world screamed when to No more crap about a coming or a going the vanity of an Iron Age links rivetted to a land shifting under as verb for its predicate ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 10:29:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: more for Haroldo de Campos Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lucio Agra Date: Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:22:09 AM US/Central To: WRYTING-L@listserv.utoronto.ca Subject: Haroldo de Campos disapeared Pasamiento Haroldo de Campos Reply-To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines"=20 Dear Friends It is my sad duty to inform the death of the brazilian poet Haroldo de=20= Campos (Aug 19, 1929 - Aug. 16 2003). Haroldo, co-founder of the brazilian Concrete Poetry, together with his=20= brother Augusto and Decio Pignatari, is one of the greatest names in=20 Brazilian poetry. His last achievement was the publication of the=20 entire translation for Homer's Iliad to portuguese. Friend of numerous=20= international intellectuals such as Octavio Paz, Jacques Derrida,=20 Guillermo Cabrera Infante and others, Haroldo made a reputation that=20 transcended his own generation, spreading to the whole second half of=20 the century's brazilian poetry. It was a terrible loss, one of the kind will be difficult to replace.=20 For me and some friends it was the loss of someone who has kept a=20 constant dialogue, exercising his generosity and ethical sense. Leftist=20= politically, avant-gardist artistically, Haroldo always remarked the=20 Maiakovski's statement that says: "There is no revolutionary art=20 without revolutionary form". On the other hand he pioneered the idea=20 that the brazilian poetry had his own right to pertain the position of=20= the most inventive art works worldwide, never accepting the idea of an=20= underdeveloped art. If I am here now, writing to you, I must owe this=20 to people like Haroldo that opened the ways to our experimental=20 expression as a positive value. May the gods take care of his incredible soul. Saudades Lucio Agra BR Caros Amigos Es mio triste dever informalos del pasamiento del poeta brasile=F1o=20 Haroldo de Campos (Aug 19, 1929 - Aug. 16 2003). Haroldo fue el colfundador del Movimiento de la Poesia Concreta en=20 Brasil, junto con su hermano Augusto e Decio Pignatari. Su influencia=20 se expandio por acima de sucesivas generacines, durante toda la segunda=20= mitad del siglo veinte. Adem=E1s de ser un grande poeta e traductor, creador de una=20 originalissima teoria de la traducci=F3n, amigo de nombres como Octavio=20= Paz, Cabrera Infante, Jacques Derrida e otros, Haroldo finda con su=20 larga obra donde avultam exitos como la inmensa traducci=F3n de la = Iliada=20 de Homero al portugu=E9s. Grande e generoso amigo, fu=E9 constantemente un defensor de la arte=20 revolucionaria con forma revolucionaria (Maiakovski) e de la idea de=20 que el subdesarollo latinoamericano no necesariamente representaba un=20 subdesarollo artistico. Personalidad unica, su pasamiento significa una=20= gran perda para nosotros. Yo mismo no poderia estar escribindo esta=20 nota se Haroldo no hubiera abierto los caminos de la poesia de=20 vanguardia brasile=F1a. Todos sentimos su muerte. Que los dioses tengan su gran alma. Saudades Lucio Agra BR HAROLDO POEMS - www.ubuweb.com Some of the brazilian hommages to Haroldo: -MAGNETO DIVULGA=C7=C3O CULTURAL- HAROLDO DE CAMPOS (1929 - 2003) Confira em Pop Box a homenagem recente ao mestre no ensaio de Claudio Daniel. http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/PopBox/haroldo.htm Elson Fr=F3es elsonfroes@ig.com.br MAGNETO DIVULGA=C7=C3O CULTURAL http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/PopBox/magneto POP BOX: VISUAL, SOUND AND VERSE POETRY http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/PopBox mirror: http://www.popbox.hpg.com.br KAMIQUASE: PAULO LEMINSKI http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/PopBox/kamiquase mirror: http://www.leminski.hpg.com.br/ GLAUCO MATTOSO SITE OFICIAL http://sites.uol.com.br/glaucomattoso GLAUCO MATTOSO OFFICIAL SITE http://sites.uol.com.br/formattoso CLAUDIO DANIEL HOME PAGE http://www.claudaniel.hpg.com.br MANOEL NETO, ARTISTA PL=C1STICO em breve novo endere=E7o. SONET=C1RIO BRASILEIRO http://planeta.terra.com.br/arte/PopBox/sonetario PROJETO NA=C7=C3O LEITORA www.nacaoleitora.org.br em breve: UBE - UNI=C3O BRASILEIRA DE ESCRITORES ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:37:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: suicide and poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the past i think I've posted Pennebaker's paper on suicide and poets here so thought there might be some interest in another psychologist's take http://psychology.csusb.edu/faculty/jkaufman/KaufmanBaer.pdf Kaufman has some other papers here and I understand he got an award for his research at APA in Toronto last week. tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 14:30:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: [webartery] URL for Penumbrae (Please give feedback!) Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ugh ugh and ugh. Lesson learned: If you want people to look at your work, supply the URL -- which is www.sporkworld.org/dirtypoems The changes include making the coding more efficient so everything actually loads -- and we added to an animation. Martha and Millie ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 12:18:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: El Salvador/ Washington Post article Comments: cc: sandra phillips In-Reply-To: <020f01c365af$78179740$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Unless torture is some dark ecstatic state in which poetry may occasionally emerge with blinding force, yesterday's lead article by Joshua Phillips in the Washington Post Magazine ( is not an occasion of poetry, but one full of hard knuckle specific images of the utilization of terror as an instrument of American foreign policy, and, by extension from El Salvador, one can fully suspect that is practiced in various forms with anyone these days who qualifies as "suspicious", particularly if one is of Muslim or Arab appearance and "in the wrong place." If you want an instructive Monday "Terminator" chill, this is it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64158-2003Aug15.html Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 16:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Fifth Missive From Virginia Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Duby-duby kangarooby: hey mr. Harrison, be serious!!!!!!!!! What are you going to say to the King (that from Sweden) "Thanks a lotta Majestikota"? Thanks for the latest "food", at this time is raining and I say to the sky "very interesting yr majestic, now new poets have a new page for new poems" maybe is there's one where you worksonpaper...... but please say to mr. Majestikota that poem-pages are just too much, poor of you my boy at this moment maybe you are working on 100 pages, but what about this for the SUCH READY BRAINS WALK SECRET SLOWLY, sounds maybe interesting: chaka-cha-cha-ka the sound of the chaka-sayers chaka-cha-cha-ka you try & make of me an art project..... I would like but......... we'll knocked & knocked doors & What when nobody heard us? only we these two ugly paints full of national heroes & nothing else what about as a poet??? Bully for you, bucko!!! wait a minute I'm going to search my claws...... see you soon whoo-whoo-whoo-kangaroo, I'll be back, ~ V. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 18:49:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <001c01c36486$68e773a0$ab96ccd1@CeceliaBelle> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >george Bowering---wouldthat be your honeymoon you were on, G? Bite your tongue! > I understand >you had female compaionship on this trip. We would all want to send you both >our good wishes, y'know. Love, Broms We were in the city of Niagara Falls, watching Jean's kid play soccer, a weenie foreign game they seem to favour here. -- George Bowering Never been to Florida 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:20:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Antin Rides Chagall delivers Guston In-Reply-To: <020f01c365af$78179740$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit David Antin produced a ripple of chuckles last Friday evening at the San Francisco Art Institute when he spoke about his experience that afternoon of looking at the Chagall show at SFMOMA. "Chagall," he said, "is the Norman Rockwell of the shtetl, a very cleaned up shtetl." David clearly hasn't lost his trigger - and the talk was also interesting for the way he talked about Guston's process - the "annulment" of lines in the building of the fifties' works of abstraction - something that was evident in the way he builds his talks, annulling and cross-hatching the narrative strokes to build a story that's not a story. Which makes it hard for Antin to acknowledge the re-emergence and what I experience as the killer power of Guston's later figurative work. Tremors! Thanks to the indefatigable Bill Berkson for organizing the event. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 19:59:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Hello Anchorage In-Reply-To: <001001c36274$c0dd41c0$605e3318@LINKAGE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Any Anchorage AK list members reading this are warmly urged to holler at me backchannel. Maybe we can hang out in November. 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'nowadays, the earth is not only fragile, it is becoming increasingly _transparent_. one sees through it or beyond it, there's no end to it, this sight.' ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 22:45:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: Sunday Aug. 24 Gordon/Mohammad book release party in Oakland Comments: To: Subpoetics In-Reply-To: <200308190004.19OXJA5Co3Nl3q80@carlin.mail.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The New Brutalism Reading Series presents: A Tougher Disguises Book Release Party for K. Silem Mohammad's _Deer Head Nation_ & Noah Eli Gordon's _The Frequencies_ Sunday, August 24th 7-9 PM at 21 Grand 449 B 23rd Street Oakland $4 cover K. Silem Mohammad is the author of _hovercraft_ (Kenning, 2000).=A0 Recent work appears in _COMBO_, _New American Writing_, _580 Split_, _Tripwire_, _Shampoo_, _Baffling Combustions_, and other journals. His blog _lime tree= _ can be accessed at http://limetree.typepad.com. Noah Eli Gordon is the co-editor of _Baffling Combustions_, a regular reviewer for _Boston Review_ and the publisher of a chapbook series through Braincase Press. Recent work has appeared or is forthcoming from _Castagraf_, _Can We Have Our Ball Back?_, _Hambone_, _Syllogism_, _Volt_, _Near South_, and others. His blog is _Human Verb_ (http://humanverb.blogspot.com). Apologies for multiple postings. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 02:53:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: fractionate-resize MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII fractionate-resize http://www.asondheim.org/portal/numb4.exe ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:20:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Met tickets for sale Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a Sunday plan for the Mets, and can't make the game on Sun. Aug. 31 vs. the Phillies, 1:10 p.m. And, it's Back-to-School Binder day for the first 12,000 Kids 12 & Under. I have two tickets, mezzanine behind home plate, under the overhang (so the sun or the rain don't get ya). $50 for the pair (what I paid for them). You can email me here or call me at 212-842-2664. thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 08:33:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Small Press Traffic News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic News Our fall series begins Friday, September 12 at 7:30 p.m. with a reading by Renee Gladman & Hung Q. Tu, both of whom have new books at from Krupskaya. For all the juicy details of our fall reading series, please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/events/fall03.html. Save the date: Nine Lives of the Cat --- our Ninth Annual Literary Soiree & Auction is set for Saturday, November 8, from 3-8 p.m. Details: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/events/soiree03.html. New to our website: writing by Jim Behrle, kari edwards, Rodney Koeneke, Brian Strang, & Kim Rosenfield. Please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/new_writing/index.html & http://www.sptraffic.org/html/news_rept/index.html. Also new online: more book reviews -- Arielle Greenberg on Sarah Anne Cox's Arrival, K. Silem Mohammad on Heather Fuller's Dovecote, Elizabeth Robinson on Devin Johnston's Telepathy, Marcella Durand on Kit Robinson's The Crave, & Rodney Koeneke on Nathaniel Tarn's Selected. Please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/book_reviews/book_reviews.html. These are tough times; for example, our state funding has disappeared in the muck of California politics. We need the support of our community now more than ever --- please contribute what you can. It will be appreciated and used wisely. Membership details are online at http://www.sptraffic.org/html/membership.html. All best, Elizabeth ps Please remember, while we are housed very kindly and graciously at the California College of the Arts (formerly CCAC), we remain autonomous and thus depend on outside funding, including those membership donations, for all of our operating expenses. Thanks. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 09:03:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: Small Press Traffic News MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Small Press Traffic News Our fall series begins Friday, September 12 at 7:30 p.m. with a reading by Renee Gladman & Hung Q. Tu, both of whom have new books out from Krupskaya. For all the juicy details of our fall reading series, please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/events/fall03.html. Save the date: Nine Lives of the Cat --- our Ninth Annual Literary Soiree & Auction is set for Saturday, November 8, from 3-8 p.m. Details: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/events/soiree03.html. New to our website: writing by Jim Behrle, kari edwards, Rodney Koeneke, Brian Strang, & Kim Rosenfield. Please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/new_writing/index.html & http://www.sptraffic.org/html/news_rept/index.html. Also new online: more book reviews -- Arielle Greenberg on Sarah Anne Cox's Arrival, K. Silem Mohammad on Heather Fuller's Dovecote, Elizabeth Robinson on Devin Johnston's Telepathy, Marcella Durand on Kit Robinson's The Crave, & Rodney Koeneke on Nathaniel Tarn's Selected. Please see http://www.sptraffic.org/html/book_reviews/book_reviews.html. These are tough times; for example, our state funding has disappeared in the muck of California politics. We need the support of our community now more than ever --- please contribute what you can. It will be appreciated and used wisely. Membership details are online at http://www.sptraffic.org/html/membership.html. All best, Elizabeth ps Please remember, while we are housed very kindly and graciously at the California College of the Arts (formerly CCAC), we remain autonomous and thus depend on outside funding, including those membership donations, for all of our operating expenses. Thanks. Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson, Executive Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:17:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: THE PHILLY SOUND: New Writer (the newest Blog) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:23:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brigitte Byrd Subject: AMINA LAWAL SET TO BE STONED ON - 27 AUGUST 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am taking the liberty to pass on this disturbing message and want to believe in petition intervention, if not in divine intervention. . . Brigitte Byrd Hearing on AMINA LAWAL SET TO BE STONED ON - 27 AUGUST 2003 The Nigerian Supreme Court has upheld the death sentence for Amina Lawal, condemned for the crime of adultery on August 19th 2002, to be buried up to her neck and stoned to death. Her death was postponed so that she could continue to nurse her baby. Hearing on her Execution is now set for 27 AUGUST 2003. If you haven't following this case, you might like to know that Amina's baby is regarded as the 'evidence' of her adultery. Amina's case is being handled by the Spanish branch of Amnesty International, which is attempting to put together enough signatures to make the Nigerian government rescind the death sentence. A similar campaign saved another Nigerian woman, Safiya, condemned in similar circumstances. By March 4th the petition had amassed over 2,600,000 signatures. It will only take you a few seconds to sign Amnesty's online petition. Please sign the petition now, then copy this message into a new email and send it to everyone in your address book. Go to the web page http://www.amnesty.org.au/e-card/petition.asp UPDATE ON AMINA LAWAL Amina Lawal, a 30 year-old Nigerian woman, sentenced by a Shari'ah court to death by stoning, has once again had her appeal adjourned. Amina's appeal will now be heard on 27 August 2003. According to the registrar of the Shari'ah Court of Appeal of Katsina State, the hearing could not take place because there was an inadequate number of tribunal members to hear the appeal. Two of the judges were reportedly serving on ad-hoc elections tribunals, constituted after general elections in April and May 2003. Amina confessed to having had a child while divorced. Pregnancy outside of marriage constitutes sufficient evidence for a woman to be convicted of adultery according to the new Shari'ah-based penal code for Muslims, introduced in Katsina state. The man named as the father of her baby girl reportedly denied having sex with her and his confession was enough for the charges against him to be discontinued. Amina did not have a lawyer during her first trial when the judgement was passed. But she has now filed an appeal against her sentence with the help of a lawyer hired by a pool of Nigerian human rights and women's rights organisations. Amina is awaiting her appeal at home. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:57:39 -0400 Reply-To: Millie Niss on eathlink Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Millie Niss on eathlink Subject: Homeland Security Measures MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Homeland Security Measures The president of the Dewy Mattress Company issued an advisory to all = employees. "Please report customers who have removed their mattress tags." This = was to be done via a new, miniaturized, electronic camera affixed on = said tags. "I can't do that. It violates my customers' civil rights," said one = sales manager at the main office. "You're canned. Unless you obey. And if you tell, we'll tell your wife = what's been happening on your mattress each noontime for three years." He hastened to obey. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:27:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Seven Pines Drive in Lorain, Ohio Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 17. Willie Loomis almost tells her about Seven Pines Drive in Lorain, Ohio. She was Maggie Evans! If anyone could possibly understand, it was her! He lay shockingly awake all night, kissing the edges of the water he always made. She was Josette! She was Maggie Evans! This was not a white pipe he found; it was not a pipe. Seven Pines Drive, he would have said: walk down there a while. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:28:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: the big tornado Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 18. During the big tornado, one edge of the city kissed another edge of the city. I was pacing Narragansett at night, restless, searching for you in every lighted car that singed past me. Because the houses in Lorain, Ohio, are so squat, so sprayed across an earth thoroughly immersed in August, there was always enough sky to see. I grew used to being alone. I could have used a balance (you) to measure my trajectory, my velocity there. One edge, in our life, kissed another edge; you and I, honey we folded shadows and chiseled swatches. Some thought us coiled grammars, then. Everything happens was what did. I suppose now friction itself is an imaginary fire, as beautiful and unexpected as life-boats sprouting from ululations of the lake. Flowers were just a gesture to you. What you couldn't take was my presence, so far across those waves, only perceptible via the threading of my cries with those of the night's wind. You must have grown strange in those shadows never reached by touch, paler than anonymity. If you were here now, slipping down Whispering Pines Drive, I would try to solve the riddle with you. I would dirty myself with try. ===== NEW!!!--Dirty Milk--reactive poem for microphone http://www.lewislacook.com/DirtyMilk/ http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:44:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: LA Reading: Writers & Teachers: Michael Datcher + 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Monthly Writers & Teachers Series Michael Datcher (see http://www.michaeldatcher.com), author of RAISING FENCES as well as Editor of two anthologies and author of a book of poems, reads with and introduces three students at 7:30 Tuesday, August 19 Barnes & Noble Westwood in the Westside Pavilion at Westwood + Pico 10850 Pico LA If you are a published teacher of fiction, playwriting, or screenwriting in an accredited writing program in Southern California, have not read at B&N Westwood, and would like to read on a "third Tuesday", please e-mail me! Rgds, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:34:53 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Kenward Elmslie's word-choice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > What are the limits of aesthetics vs. the limits of ethics? > > I remembered that the word "pickaninny" was used by the poet Kenward Elms= lie in > his play, "Postcards." The dispute grew bitter between the Seattle cast = at > Bathhouse Theatre and Kenward in the summer of 1989. They felt that the = word > would unnecessarily arouse the audience and that it constituted a fightin= g word. > Kenward claimed the first amendment and artist's privilege. No one would= budge. > Kenward had total respect for the cast, but he insisted that his own lang= uage be > used if the play was presented. > IT was argued that the word "pickaninny" > is a fighting word and fighting words are not protected by the first amen= dment. > (This is true, I looked it up. If you say a word that somebody else will= be > thought to hate, and you get punched in the nose, then you deserve it, an= d your > speech is not protected.) That is, the first amendment doesn't cover all= use of > any kind of speech. Fighting words were declared outside the limits of O= liver > Wendell Holmes in a famous case where he said that insulting someobdy's m= other > meant that you knew you would get punched in the nose, and that you deser= ved it. > I sort of agree. But, what isn't a fighting word? Even the word "a" or > "the" could be a fighting word if somebody just insists that you shut up = and you > don't. And what about the fact that the word was to be used inside a pla= y, and a > play at that by an important artist, and one of the last living members o= f the New > York School of poets? > Can you imagine a world in which all > use of language, but especially for aesthetic reasons, was abolished, and= only > ethical language was permitted? If so, whose ethics? This ethical langu= age would > be determined by a > central committee of non-poets who hated poets. Their charter could read > something like this: > > Plato argued in book 3 of the Republic that the poets should be outlawed = unless > they reinforced the ethics of Athens. Zhdanov (the Soviet general who co= dified > the Social Realism that remained in place for fifty years) argued that po= ets > should be > outlawed unless their work reinforced the worker=92s state. Mao outlawed > traditional aesthetics. That the societies that these dictators dreamed = up were > arguably better than a society in which many of the best thinkers in a so= ciety > sit around writing rhymed couplets while others starve is obvious: We mu= st kill > our poets. > > Think of the buggers! They write about flowers, at a time when many cann= ot > eat. They write about love, when many are condemned to death! They writ= e about > death, at a time when many are barely alive. Poets are a waste of time. = What > is left is to decide how to kill them. > > There are hundreds of ways to kill a poet. Launch them into outer space,= drown > them in a keg of honey, shoot poisoned BBs into their left ears, break th= eir > knees and force them to walk to work in the salt mines, guillotine them, = or give > them fancy grants, and an unlimited alcohol budget. The most important t= hing is > to kill them. Kill them all! > > Poets at first do not seem to be dangerous. They are generally not very > muscular, nor are they very fast on their feet. Few of them rob banks, or > commit heinous crimes. Nevertheless, they are singlehandedly destroying > America! Their unkempt abodes provide a model for the young. Their affa= irs do > likewise. The business of America is business, and anyone who provides a > different model should be catapulted over the moon. Moreover, many poets= are > boring. Poets make no sense. Crush them under a bulldozer, and erase th= em! > > Above all, we must turn to ethics. Ethics are universal, and aesthetics = merely > personal. Swat down the aesthetical among us, and reinforce the ethical. > Anyone who breathes poetry must die. Kill the slick buggers immediately.= Even > to have a thought of a beautiful sunset or a gorgeous body, is criminal b= ehavior > that should be punished unto death. Kill the pornographers! Kill the po= ets! > Same thing! They are all pornographers! Kill everybody who loves this w= orld! > We must kill them to save this world! > > -- That was more fun than I expected. I think I would make a first-rate = dictator, > even if I'm a second-rate poet. At any rate, the rant aside, Kenward's p= lay > wasn't put on, and a team of > writers hastily put together another play called Postcards so that Season= Ticket > holders could attend the play that they had paid for. It got mildly good > reviews. It borrowed from Kenward's plot but left all the jagged languag= e and > loony songs out. The song that had the "offensive" word in it was a senti= mental > number sung by a small black child according to the script. The argument= of the > song was that this small boy liked to collect postcards although he was a > "pickaninny" and not well-heeled. There was a sense of cruelty in the sc= ene, but > the cruelty was if I recall not extreme, and to a certain extent it made = the > audience extremely uncomfortable in the manner of someone like Brecht. To= watch > the little boy sing that he too liked postcards was in other words heart-= breaking > (mildly) and put you into the uncomfortable position of not knowing the b= oundaries > of ethics/aesthetics and forcing you to try to get a place from which to = judge > it. It was exasperating, as most of Kenward's work is, and is meant to b= e. The > play was set in the 1920s-40s. The anodine version was like a > Greeting Card. The music wasn't by Steven Taylor (who played with the F= ugs and > Ginsberg) any longer. It was Rogers & Hammerstein type stuff. Toes tapp= ed, and > people slept well after, but fifteen years later I still think an offense= was done > to Kenward. Obviously it's not as bad as being stoned to death as the poor Nigerian wom= an may yet be, but injustice at any level really does rankle. The thing is that I= am still not sure of where the line should be drawn in regards to ethics/aesthetics.= Does anybody have any good ideas on this? Saint Paul in the letter to the Colos= sians argues that our language should always be gracious, and in one of the psalm= s it says that a sweet tongue is the tree of life. I am too iconoclastic for that, b= ut on the other hand -- um, um, um. > > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:42:16 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Kenward Elmslie's word-choice MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kirby Olson wrote: > > What are the limits of aesthetics vs. the limits of ethics? > > > > I remembered that the word "pickaninny" was used by the poet Kenward El= mslie in > > his play, "Postcards." The dispute grew bitter between the Seattle cas= t at > > Bathhouse Theatre and Kenward in the summer of 1989. They felt that th= e word > > would unnecessarily arouse the audience and that it constituted a fight= ing word. > > Kenward claimed the first amendment and artist's privilege. No one wou= ld budge. > > Kenward had total respect for the cast, but he insisted that his own la= nguage be > > used if the play was presented. > > > IT was argued that the word "pickaninny" > > is a fighting word and fighting words are not protected by the first am= endment. > > (This is true, I looked it up. If you say a word that somebody else wi= ll be > > thought to hate, and you get punched in the nose, then you deserve it, = and your > > speech is not protected.) That is, the first amendment doesn't cover a= ll use of > > any kind of speech. Fighting words were declared outside the limits of= Oliver > > Wendell Holmes in a famous case where he said that insulting someobdy's= mother > > meant that you knew you would get punched in the nose, and that you des= erved it. > > I sort of agree. But, what isn't a fighting word? Even the word "a" or > > "the" could be a fighting word if somebody just insists that you shut u= p and you > > don't. And what about the fact that the word was to be used inside a p= lay, and a > > play at that by an important artist, and one of the last living members= of the New > > York School of poets? > > > Can you imagine a world in which all > > use of language, but especially for aesthetic reasons, was abolished, a= nd only > > ethical language was permitted? If so, whose ethics? This ethical lan= guage would > > be determined by a > > central committee of non-poets who hated poets. Their charter could re= ad > > something like this: > > > > Plato argued in book 3 of the Republic that the poets should be outlawe= d unless > > they reinforced the ethics of Athens. Zhdanov (the Soviet general who = codified > > the Social Realism that remained in place for fifty years) argued that = poets > > should be > > outlawed unless their work reinforced the worker=92s state. Mao outlaw= ed > > traditional aesthetics. That the societies that these dictators dreame= d up were > > arguably better than a society in which many of the best thinkers in a = society > > sit around writing rhymed couplets while others starve is obvious: We = must kill > > our poets. > > > > Think of the buggers! They write about flowers, at a time when many ca= nnot > > eat. They write about love, when many are condemned to death! They wr= ite about > > death, at a time when many are barely alive. Poets are a waste of time= . What > > is left is to decide how to kill them. > > > > There are hundreds of ways to kill a poet. Launch them into outer spac= e, drown > > them in a keg of honey, shoot poisoned BBs into their left ears, break = their > > knees and force them to walk to work in the salt mines, guillotine them= , or give > > them fancy grants, and an unlimited alcohol budget. The most important= thing is > > to kill them. Kill them all! > > > > Poets at first do not seem to be dangerous. They are generally not very > > muscular, nor are they very fast on their feet. Few of them rob banks,= or > > commit heinous crimes. Nevertheless, they are singlehandedly destroying > > America! Their unkempt abodes provide a model for the young. Their af= fairs do > > likewise. The business of America is business, and anyone who provides= a > > different model should be catapulted over the moon. Moreover, many poe= ts are > > boring. Poets make no sense. Crush them under a bulldozer, and erase = them! > > > > Above all, we must turn to ethics. Ethics are universal, and aesthetic= s merely > > personal. Swat down the aesthetical among us, and reinforce the ethica= l. > > Anyone who breathes poetry must die. Kill the slick buggers immediatel= y. Even > > to have a thought of a beautiful sunset or a gorgeous body, is criminal= behavior > > that should be punished unto death. Kill the pornographers! Kill the = poets! > > Same thing! They are all pornographers! Kill everybody who loves this= world! > > We must kill them to save this world! > > > > -- That was more fun than I expected. I think I would make a first-rat= e dictator, > > even if I'm a second-rate poet. At any rate, the rant aside, Kenward's= play > > wasn't put on, and a team of > > writers hastily put together another play called Postcards so that Seas= on Ticket > > holders could attend the play that they had paid for. It got mildly go= od > > reviews. It borrowed from Kenward's plot but left all the jagged langu= age and > > loony songs out. The song that had the "offensive" word in it was a sen= timental > > number sung by a small black child according to the script. The argume= nt of the > > song was that this small boy liked to collect postcards although he was= a > > "pickaninny" and not well-heeled. There was a sense of cruelty in the = scene, but > > the cruelty was if I recall not extreme, and to a certain extent it mad= e the > > audience extremely uncomfortable in the manner of someone like Brecht. = To watch > > the little boy sing that he too liked postcards was in other words hear= t-breaking > > (mildly) and put you into the uncomfortable position of not knowing the= boundaries > > of ethics/aesthetics and forcing you to try to get a place from which t= o judge > > it. It was exasperating, as most of Kenward's work is, and is meant to= be. The > > play was set in the 1920s-40s. The anodine version was like a > > Greeting Card. The music wasn't by Steven Taylor (who played with the= Fugs and > > Ginsberg) any longer. It was Rogers & Hammerstein type stuff. Toes ta= pped, and > > people slept well after, but fifteen years later I still think an offen= se was done > > to Kenward. > > Obviously it's not as bad as being stoned to death as the poor Nigerian w= oman may > yet be, but injustice at any level really does rankle. The thing is that= I am still > not sure of where the line should be drawn in regards to ethics/aesthetic= s. Does > anybody have any good ideas on this? Saint Paul in the letter to the Col= ossians > argues that our language should always be gracious, and in one of the psa= lms it says > that a sweet tongue is the tree of life. I am too iconoclastic for that,= but on the > other hand -- um, um, um. > > > > > > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:56:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: "Details"??? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about "details" that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of liberty! Absolutely dreadful. Full. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:14:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Stephen Vincent "Details"??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am getting it too. I can't find a removal tool from symenatic.com either .... grr ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: "Details"??? > Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about "details" > that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. > I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! > So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. > This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of liberty! > Absolutely dreadful. Full. > > Stephen Vincent > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:01:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Yankee ticket available In-Reply-To: <5BA05FB7.75C294D5.01F36A84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To round out my day of baseball game ticket posts: I'm going to the Yankee game this Sat. Aug. 23 vs. Baltimore. It's Ron Guidry day, saluting the Yankee pitcher who is still my favorite ballplayer (I even invited him to my Bar Mitzvah). Pregame ceremonies begin at 2:30 p.m. My dad was supposed to join me, but he can't make it, as my folks have their 50th anniversary party the next day. So, for the mere price of $24 (what I paid for it) you get to join Ron Guidry's greatest fan, me, on Ron Guidry day, and attend a baseball game with the only editor/publisher who has named their small press after a baseball player. Hell, I may even bring my 26-year-old Ron Guidry scrapbook with me, too. You can email me here or call (212) 842-2664. best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:11:35 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: A Monument to State Terror MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A11646-2003Aug18.html 1 plane, 140,000 dead The Smithsonian restores the Enola Gay in honor of the efficacy of State Terror. The current text for the Enola Gay exhibit conveniently enough does not include casualty figures from Hiroshima or show any photographs of the devastation the bomb caused. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:04:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: "Details"??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I've got it twice in the last couple of days. I simply trashed it. It pretends to be addressed to me personally but doesn't know any more than the signature my server recognises - i.e. it's obviously a mass-mailoing = spam or a form thereof; it does not know my name. My computer tells me it's (hmmm. I think it does anyway - I can't remember) a movie clip, or a tiff, or something like that. I never open those anyway without advance notice from the sender. So trash it. It's some idiot who really wants to be nuisance; e-mails are always disposable, including this one from me. My basic principle: if I don't know the sender, trash it. I do not think ANYone has the automatic "liberty" to intrude into my life, invade my mailbox - either snailbox or "virtual" - for let's call them ulterior purposes, any more than they have the "liberty" to hector and bully me in the street. There's a heck of a lot of woolly and dangerous daftness surrounding that dangerous word liberty - I will say nothing about the meaning of "freedom" south of the 49th.... Peter the curmudge. ======================================= "Weebit injustice is impiety; so's big." Marcus Aurelius. Meditations IX.1 ======================================= Peter Quartermain 846 Keefer Street Vancouver B.C. Canada V6A 1Y7 voice 604 255 8274 fax 604 255 8204 quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca ======================================= -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent Sent: 19-August-2003 1:56 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: "Details"??? Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about "details" that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of liberty! Absolutely dreadful. Full. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:06:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: Kenward Elmslie's word-choice In-Reply-To: <3F4289EC.CF317D46@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby wrote: >| in one of the psalms it says >| that a sweet tongue is the tree of life Proverbs actually --> Proverbs 15:4 - "A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit." ...but even better I think: Proverbs 15:15 - "All the days of the afflicted are evil: but he that is of a merry heart hath a continual feast." And my favorite proposition of Spinoza's (Prop. XXXI): "In so far as anything agrees with our nature, thus far it is necessarily good." Also Mr. Marley - "Speak happiness! (Sad enough without your woes.)" No More Trouble --> http://bobmarley.com/songs/lyrics/nomore.lyrics.txt and Allen Ginsberg - "Subject is known by what she sees." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 21:15:13 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Anne E. Pluto" Subject: Re: "Details"??? In-Reply-To: <000001c366b7$14ec88c0$943a5786@diogenes> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I've received it only once - today. One of the senders was a woman at my university, but there wasn't an attachment once I opened the document. We got word of a computer virus at the school, and five computers were infected, but I have a mac and wasn't hit. A mystery, but I trashed them all. Annie Pluto >Yes, I've got it twice in the last couple of days. I simply trashed it. >It pretends to be addressed to me personally but doesn't know any more >than the signature my server recognises - i.e. it's obviously a >mass-mailoing = spam or a form thereof; it does not know my name. My >computer tells me it's (hmmm. I think it does anyway - I can't >remember) a movie clip, or a tiff, or something like that. I never open >those anyway without advance notice from the sender. > >So trash it. It's some idiot who really wants to be nuisance; e-mails >are always disposable, including this one from me. > >My basic principle: if I don't know the sender, trash it. > >I do not think ANYone has the automatic "liberty" to intrude into my >life, invade my mailbox - either snailbox or "virtual" - for let's call >them ulterior purposes, any more than they have the "liberty" to hector >and bully me in the street. There's a heck of a lot of woolly and >dangerous daftness surrounding that dangerous word liberty - I will say >nothing about the meaning of "freedom" south of the 49th.... > >Peter the curmudge. >======================================= >"Weebit injustice is impiety; so's big." >Marcus Aurelius. Meditations IX.1 > ======================================= >Peter Quartermain >846 Keefer Street >Vancouver B.C. >Canada V6A 1Y7 > >voice 604 255 8274 >fax 604 255 8204 >quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca >======================================= > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent >Sent: 19-August-2003 1:56 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: "Details"??? > >Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about >"details" >that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. >I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! >So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. >This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of >liberty! >Absolutely dreadful. Full. > >Stephen Vincent -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:02:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Subject: clarification on Amina Lawal's case Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This is from the Amnesty International site: Clarification 'Nigeria: Amina Lawal's appeal case to be heard on 27 August After several adjournments, the hearing of Amina Lawal's appeal is due to take place on 27 August 2003 in her home state of Katsina, northern Nigeria. Amina Lawal and her lawyers are expected to be present at the hearing. The judicial process should follow its course if the quorum of judges is met this time. Amnesty International continues to receive queries falsely claiming that Amina Lawal’s execution is imminent - before or on 27 August - and referring to Amnesty International as a source. No execution of the sentence is due before or on that date. Amnesty International understands that Amina Lawal’s right to legal representation and her right to appeal are guaranteed at this stage. She is not in detention and has good legal representation. She is also being supported by a coalition of Nigerian women's groups and human rights groups. Amnesty International is in close touch with these organizations. "Unfortunately, this case has now been adjourned so many times that many of those who have campaigned for her sentence to be quashed cannot understand why a woman and her child can be put under so much duress. This is becoming a clear case of justice delayed is justice denied," Amnesty International said. Elizabeth Treadwell http://www.durationpress.com/authors/treadwell/home.html _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:26:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: K. Silem Mohammad & Combo 12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" B.) COMBO 12 is ___excellent____ !!!!!! (go mike) -- best advice you'll get all year: buy one for you and all your friends and family. A.) Read, buy, ingest any poem that K. Silem Mohammad writes. Bring him to your town, your home, your bed & breakfast -- give him money you don't have and money your friends don't have so he can come to your town and read you his poems and you can think "thank god I took that strange man's advice" These poems kick ass all day, all night, in all seasons, through weather inclement or no, through bad fashion, steel grates, and chopped livers he kicks ass twice in the morning and keeps kicking till the sun goes down when he switches legs his poems will kick your ass and you will like it. Ken ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:29:28 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Komninos Zervos Subject: Re: "Details"??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" this may be of help "Griffith University is currently being affected by two more computer viruses. The first virus is called "Sobig F". "Sobig F" affects all Windows operating systems but does not affect Macintosh or Unix based Operating Systems. This virus is transferred via email using the subject lines; Re: Details Re: Approved Re: Re: My details Re: Thank you! Re: That movie Re: Wicked screensaver Re: Your application Thank you! Your details If you receive an email with this subject delete it without opening the email. Currently the Lotus Notes Server is protecting against this virus and advising you when it has intercepted an infection. Some emails may have slipped through between the release of the virus and the upgraded protection. Users not on Lotus Notes will need to be extra vigilant. More information on this virus is available from; http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.sobig.f@mm.html The second virus is called the welchia worm. It is very similar to the Blaster virus that hit the world last week. This virus only targets Windows 2000 and Windows XP computers. All other Operating systems are safe from this virus. We currently have machines being scanned and cleaned on bootup for this virus. Users who do not log into Novell Servers and who are using Windows 2000 or Windows XP will need to manually run the scan/clean tool. The clean tool is available from; * click on the link http://www.griffith.edu.au/ins/software/blaster/exe/fixwelch.exe * click on 'run' or 'open' when prompted More information on the virus is available from; http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.welchia.worm.html If you require additional information contact InfoServices on extension 55555. Bruce Callow" komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs http://spokenword.blog-city.com "Anne E. Pluto" Sent by: UB Poetics discussion group 09/08/2003 11:15 PM Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU cc: Subject: Re: "Details"??? I've received it only once - today. One of the senders was a woman at my university, but there wasn't an attachment once I opened the document. We got word of a computer virus at the school, and five computers were infected, but I have a mac and wasn't hit. A mystery, but I trashed them all. Annie Pluto >Yes, I've got it twice in the last couple of days. I simply trashed it. >It pretends to be addressed to me personally but doesn't know any more >than the signature my server recognises - i.e. it's obviously a >mass-mailoing = spam or a form thereof; it does not know my name. My >computer tells me it's (hmmm. I think it does anyway - I can't >remember) a movie clip, or a tiff, or something like that. I never open >those anyway without advance notice from the sender. > >So trash it. It's some idiot who really wants to be nuisance; e-mails >are always disposable, including this one from me. > >My basic principle: if I don't know the sender, trash it. > >I do not think ANYone has the automatic "liberty" to intrude into my >life, invade my mailbox - either snailbox or "virtual" - for let's call >them ulterior purposes, any more than they have the "liberty" to hector >and bully me in the street. There's a heck of a lot of woolly and >dangerous daftness surrounding that dangerous word liberty - I will say >nothing about the meaning of "freedom" south of the 49th.... > >Peter the curmudge. >======================================= >"Weebit injustice is impiety; so's big." >Marcus Aurelius. Meditations IX.1 > ======================================= >Peter Quartermain >846 Keefer Street >Vancouver B.C. >Canada V6A 1Y7 > >voice 604 255 8274 >fax 604 255 8204 >quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca >======================================= > > >-----Original Message----- >From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent >Sent: 19-August-2003 1:56 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: "Details"??? > >Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about >"details" >that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. >I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! >So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. >This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of >liberty! >Absolutely dreadful. 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It's August 26. The new Fall dates are down there as well. The readings are a hoot, and it's, you know, community-building, as you say in grant proposals. Feel free to email me on the back end (daniel@unpleasanteventschedule.com) if you would like to read and sing karaoke. ******************************** Karaoke + Poetry = Fun (KPF) ******************************** 9:30 pm The Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery @ Bleecker 212-614-0505 | $6 Each reading has a selected open reading/singing. Come early or email ahead to sign up. Next KPF event KPF XI - August 26 - special guest: Painted Bride Quarterly Upcoming KPF events KPF XII- September 23 special guest: Boog City vs. Pindeldyboz KPF XIII - October 7 special guest: Rattapallax KPF XIV - October 28 - A Very Special KPF. The KPF All Star Show, all of highlights from the past shows, together on one stage! Presented as part of NYC Lit Fest 2003: HOME; Presented by Time Out New York KPF XV November 5 (Wednesday) KPF XVI November 18 (Tuesday) KPF XVII December 3 (Wednesday) KPF XVIII December 23 (Tuesday) Each reading has a special guest who picks a representative group of 4-5 participants; if you have a group/collective/journal/press who'd like to participate, drop me a line. Hosted and curated by Daniel Nester, and co-hosted by Regie Cabico God Save My Queen http://godsavemyqueen.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 07:41:39 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Re: Kenward Elmslie's word-choice Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 I thought Beckett's body of work argues that that ethics and aesthetics are one in the same? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:12:01 -0400 Reply-To: 18073-feedback-50@lb.bcentral.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: The Bowery Poetry Club From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Bowery Poetry Club HOWLS!! Ed Sanders' "Rebel Cafe"! Waldman! Henderson! L. Thomas! Cannon! A. Hayy! A. Toure! & Queen T. Mead MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from=20 CBGB's F train to Second Ave =C2=A0|=C2=A0 6 train to Bleecker =C2=A0|212-614-05= 05 more info?=20 www.bowerypoetry.com =C2=A0| =C2=A0tix? =C2=A0www.virtuous.com =C2=A0| =C2= =A0audio downloads?=20 www.audible.com/bpc=20 Tuesday, 8/19 Shhh! rarely do we mention that our Roundtable Reading is reading=20 Gilgamesh every Tuesday at 6:30pm... Alien glitz meets Rat Pack kitsch fo= r=20 STARPEOPLE! Invade Las Vegas at 8pm, a monthly mainstay ($5, www.starpeop= le.net) Wednesday, 8/20 Taylor Mead's FEVA special begins at 6:30pm ($5): tonight he's=20 crowned Queen of the HOWL Fest... then the first night of the three-day N= on=20 Sequitur Festival arrives. Poets & composers collaborate for TRUTH OR=20 CONSEQUENCES: Jed Distler & Carol Mirakove, Akemi Naito & Edwin Torres, K= ala=20 Pierson & Emanuel Xavier with acoustic house band, Nurse Kaya String Quar= tet=20 (sextet) (8:00pm, $20/$15 for students)... at 10pm Jason Nuzzo's DEAD MEA= T, will=20 continue its run for the road ($10)... and the long-awaited World Premier= e of A=20 Night @ the Rebel Cafe by Ed Sanders (11pm, $15 but sliding for students,= FEVA,=20 and poets) -- the history of Performance Poetry in three acts (well, actu= ally,=20 there's twenty acts, ten songs, forty actors)...DO NOT MISS! Thursday, 8/21 Take 2 on Taylor Mead HOWL special at 6:30 ($5)... Jason Nuzzo=20 shows DEAD MEAT at 7pm ($10)... the second night of the Non Sequitur Fest= ival=20 comes alive, see Wed. 8/20 (8:00 pm; $20/$15 for students)... when worlds= =20 collide: Celena Glenn presents Fascist Fashionista Poetry Fashion Show (1= 0:00pm,=20 $5) Friday, 8/22 If you haven't seen any of the 100 films he's been in, or haven't=20 heard him pontificating in streaming mediums on the web, or have not seen= him=20 prancing in any of Andy Warhol's works, you're missing out on a legend-- = get to=20 the Prof. Taylor Mead show at 6:30! ($5) -- the Truth as only Taylor tell= s it...=20 at 7:00 Jason Nuzzo shows his multi-media perfomance DEAD MEAT ($10)... l= ast=20 chance to catch the Non Sequitur Festival at 8pm (see Wed., 8/20; $20/$15= for=20 students)... rounding off the evening is the FEVA Party at 10pm (suggeste= d=20 donation is $5 -- all proceeds to FEVA). Saturday, 8/23 At 11:00am, come hear the oral of the Lower East Side with Alan=20 Moore's Story Cafe (free, one drink minimum)... editors Donald Lev and En= id Dame=20 host their sparkling series Home Planet News Poetry Festival at 2:00pm wi= th the=20 great fireman poet Tim Hoppey, Eve Packer (Queen of Loisaida) and jazz po= et=20 Barry Wallenstein ($3)...then at 4:00pm we proudly present Umbra: The Afr= ican=20 American Bohemian Literary Movement of the Lower East Side with David Hen= derson,=20 Steve Cannon, Lorenzo Thomas, Askia M. Toure, Ama Patterson, Tyehimba Jes= s,=20 Christopher Stackhouse, Matt Lavelle and Melanie Goodreaux ($5)... at 6 i= t's #6=20 of Ishle Park's 7 Saturdays, a new series produced by the Queen of the Po= Slam=20 Scene -- tonight: Alexander Chee, Staceyann Chin, Doria Roberts ($5)... a= t=20 8:00pm it's your last chance to catch Jason Nuzzo's multi-media perfomanc= e DEAD=20 MEAT ($10)... Anne Waldman & Friends w/ musician Bethany Spiers will drop= in at=20 9pm ($10)... then bringing home the Howl, it's A Night @ the Rebel Cafe b= y Ed=20 Sanders (11pm, $15 but sliding for students, FEVA, and poets). We'll have= a live=20 band after-party w/ Tarantula till 4am.... Sunday, 8/24 Howl Fest continues with our free open mic at 11am... then spend=20 yer Sunday with All Day Slammin Po' Band Festival! The best of the Lower = East=20 Side's poetry & music collaborators (2pm, $10 for all day) featuring King= =20 Missile III and Janet Hamill & Moving Star... stick around for A Night @ = the=20 Rebel Cafe by Ed Sanders and a cast party where everyone's the cast! (11p= m, $15=20 but sliding for students, FEVA, and poets) and a late night set by the am= azing=20 Daddy.=20 Monday, 8/25 We be honored at 5pm! Daniel Abdal-Hayy Moore: THE ECSTATIC=20 EXCHANGE will give a Free perf at 5pm... Then Mondays continue on their=20= outrageous path with this week's installment of the Totally Open Slam at = 6 led=20 by intrepid Bo Ho ($3)... Girlbomb & Sara Fisch present Semi-Pro Tool at = 8:00=20 ($5)... and the sin-sational O'Debra Twins "Show & Tell" from 10:00 till = the=20 whee! hours -- po, perf, and burlesque ($3)... ...next week. stay tuned for Q2: Queer Too!, The Urbana Poetry Slam seaso= n=20 opener, and Hell's Kitchen... Delicious coffee & pastries served weekdays at 9,=20 weekends at 11... homemade salads & sandwiches till closing... bar opens at 5pm weekdays, 1pm=20 weekends... wheelchair accessible... coolly air-conditioned... Write poem now=20 thank you.=20 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 @ Bleecker, right across from=20 CBGB's F train to Second Ave =C2=A0|=C2=A0 6 train to Bleecker =C2=A0| =C2=A0212= -614-0505 =20 _______________________________________________________________________ Powered by List Builder To unsubscribe follow the link: http://lb.bcentral.com/ex/sp?c=3D18073&s=3D201F2F3AD9047716&m=3D50 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:12:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: Steve Dickison From: Poetics List Administration Subject: ** POETRY CENTER Fall 2003 Calendar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Poetry Center =46all 2003 Calendar Our printed calendar will reach you shortly, if you're on our mailing list. =46ull information posted soon at http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry september AT WORK: Writers on Labor featuring Tillie Olsen, Reg Theriault, Sarah Menefee, Tony Robles, Wei-Ling Huber & special musical guest Barbara Dane Wednesday September 10, 6:00 pm Special Location @ California Historical Society 678 Mission Street (between 2nd & 3rd) co-sponsored by the California Historical Society and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Peter Orner & Nona Caspers Wednesday September 17, 7:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D OTHER WORDS San Francisco International Poetry Festival A talk by Peter France on translating Gennady Aygi Thursday September 25, 4:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU Readings by Gennady Aygi (Russia), Tua Forsstr=F6m (Finland), Arne Johnsson (Sweden), devorah major (San Francisco), Cristina Rivera-Garza (Mexico) Saturday September 27, 7:30 pm, $5 donation @ Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary) =46ull schedule and sponsors at http://www.other-words.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D october Alan Bernheimer & Merrill Gilfillan Thursday October 2, 7:30 pm, $5 donation @ Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Hazel Dickens singing and in conversation with Archie Green Wednesday October 8, 7:30 pm, free @ Jack Adams Hall Cesar Chavez Student Union, SFSU co-sponsored by Labor Archives and Research Center, Associated Students SFSU, and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Barbara Guest =46riday October 10, 7:30 pm, free @ University of San Francisco Lone Mountain 100, 2800 Turk Blvd. co-sponsored by Readings at Lone Mountain, USF, and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cecilia Dougherty & Jennifer Martenson Thursday October 16, 3:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU co-sponsored by San Francisco Cinematheque and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Poets Theater Saturday October 18, 7:30 pm @ Unitarian Center, $10 donation 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary) an evening to benefit Naropa Audio Archive Project and The Poetry Center's American Poetry Archives The Big Keep, a new play by Kevin Killian, featuring Anne Waldman (as Lauren Bacall), Kota Ezawa, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Wayne Smith, Rex Ray, Cecilia Dougherty, Karla Milosevich, Will Yackulic, Steve Dickison, et al.; incidental music by Steven Taylor. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D kari edwards & Gail Scott =46riday October 24, 7:30 pm, $5-10 donation @ Small Press Traffic Timken Lecture Hall, CCAC, 1111 Eighth Street (lower Potrero Hill) co-sponsored by The Poetry Center and Small Press Traffic =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Aharon Shabtai Thursday October 30, 4:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU co-sponsored by Jewish Studies Program, SFSU, and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D november George Oppen Memorial Lecture: Burton Hatlen Thursday November 6, 7:30 pm, $5 donation @ Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary) National Poetry Foundation Director, poet and scholar Burton Hatlen on "the formation of an Objectivist poetics in the 1930s." =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A celebration of poetry on the occasion of Carl Rakosi's One-Hundredth Birthday Saturday, November 8, 1:00-4:00 pm, free @ Koret Auditorium, SF Main Public Library 100 Larkin Street (at Grove; Civic Center BART) co-sponsored by The Poetry Center, the San Francisco Public Library, and the Friends & Foundation of the San Francisco Public Library =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A book party & reception for The Letters of Robert Duncan and Denise Levertov Sunday November 9, 5:00 pm, free @ City Lights Bookstore 261 Columbus Avenue Co-sponsored by City Lights Books, Stanford University Press, and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Trevor Joyce Thursday November 13, 3:30 pm, free in conversation with Laura Moriarty @ The Poetry Center, SFSU Trevor Joyce & Laura Moriarty Thursday November 13, 7:30 pm, $5 donation reading their poetry @ Unitarian Center 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary) co-sponsored by the Irish Arts Foundation and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D A book party/reading by Bay Area contributors Going Home to a Landscape: Writings by Filipinas edited by Marianne Villanueva & Virginia Cerenio Monday November 17, 3:00 pm, free Special Location @ The SFSU Bookstore Cesar Chavez Student Union, SFSU Co-sponsored by SFSU Bookstore, Calyx Books, and The Poetry Center =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Sesshu Foster Thursday November 20, 4:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D december Clayton Eshleman Thursday December 4, 4:30 pm, free @ The Poetry Center, SFSU A 90-minute afternoon program, including circa 50 slides, with accompanying readings from the book Juniper Fuse, focused on the origin of image making via the Ice Age painted caves of Southwestern =46rance. =46ull information posted soon at http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Steve Dickison, Director The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives San Francisco State University 1600 Holloway Avenue ~ San Francisco CA 94132 ~ vox 415-338-3401 ~ fax 415-338-0966 http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry ~ ~ ~ L=E2 taltazim h=E2latan, wal=E2kin durn b=EE-llay=E2ly kam=E2 tad=FBwru Don't cling to one state turn with the Nights, as they turn ~Maq=E2mat al-Hamadh=E2ni (tenth century; tr Stefania Pandolfo) ~ ~ ~ Bring all the art and science of the world, and baffle and humble it with one spear of grass. ~Walt Whitman's notebook -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:15:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Jane Sprague" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: West End Reading Series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SlyFox Productions Presents: West End Reading Series POETRY & PROSE 8/23/03 7pm Gimme! Coffee 506 W. State Street Jeanne Mackin Nicola Morris Cynthia Bond Jeanne Mackin has published four novels, the most recent of=20 which is The Sweet By and By, she is also author of the Cornell Book of = Herbs=20 and Edible Flowers. She teaches Creative Writing at Goddard College and = Ithaca College.=20 She lives in Ithaca, NY. Nicola Morris writes poetry, fiction and essays. She has been widely = published in journals and anthologies, most recently in the journal = Jewish Currents. She teaches in the Goddard College MFA in Writing = program, in Vermont, and is currently completing a dissertation on = golems in contemporary Jewish literature.=20 Cynthia Bond holds an MFA & JD from Cornell University. Her poems have = been published in Epoch, Ascent, The Best American Poetry 1994 in = addition to other anthologies and journals. She teaches Legal Writing = and Law & Film at Cornell. She lives in Ithaca, NY.=20 The West End Reading Series is held on the fourth Saturday of every = month at Gimme! Coffee, 506 W. State Street, Ithaca, NY at 7:00pm. SlyFox Productions www.slyfox.org=20 FREE and open to all. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:33:08 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Stephen Vincent "Details"??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This virus was launched at the SUNY Delhi system in attack hordes. I got about seventy five of them, but our virus killer swatted them all down. Whatever you do, don't open the attachment. -- Kirby Geoffrey Gatza wrote: > I am getting it too. I can't find a removal tool from symenatic.com either > .... grr > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Vincent" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:56 PM > Subject: "Details"??? > > > Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about > "details" > > that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. > > I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! > > So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. > > This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of > liberty! > > Absolutely dreadful. Full. > > > > Stephen Vincent > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 10:29:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: Re: K. Silem Mohammad & Combo 12 In-Reply-To: <200308200007.19PkfIw3Nl3p20@pickering.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Good work, Ken--just what I had in mind. The check is in the mail. K. > Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 22:26:10 -0400 > From: Ken Rumble > Subject: K. Silem Mohammad & Combo 12 > > B.) COMBO 12 is ___excellent____ !!!!!! (go mike) -- > > best advice you'll get all year: buy one for you and all your friends and > family. > > > A.) Read, buy, ingest any poem that K. Silem Mohammad writes. > Bring him to your town, > your home, your bed & breakfast -- > give him money you > don't have and money your friends don't have > so he can come to your town and read you his poems > and you can think > "thank god I took > that strange man's > advice" > These poems kick ass all day, all night, in all seasons, through weather > inclement or no, > through > bad fashion, steel grates, and chopped livers > he kicks ass twice in the morning and keeps kicking till the sun goes down > when he switches legs > > his poems will kick your ass > > > and you will like it. > > > > > > > > Ken +++ k. silem mohammad http://limetree.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:29:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: take it as a past time In-Reply-To: <1061392351.3f438fdf6d2c4@mail1.buffalo.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable take it as a past time after intersection and impermeably - the flesh as stated by magog and=20 gog, as stated by merleau-ponty, as stated by the whole thing that=20 writes itself - invisible and visible - magik-to-go wrapped in=20 thickness and in health. I mean can you testify - can you give me a=20 testimony terrorist. say can you give me honey or give me bread - give=20= me arriving something without a auschwitz refrain. can you say=20 contradictory, incompressible, thicket of leafs, den of has been,=20 history without a value, a different set of meanings - in an instant=20 death as a theory - as a pocket-full of pleasing. touch it all and and=20= feel dangerous with a possibility - go ten blocks turn left - a=20 dangerous possibility - hard harder harder sill - after all this an=20 aesthetics wherever breathing asking following in, flowing in and the=20 bees did it on a ledge on a divergent plain - can you say: =93packed so=20= tight?=94 the only theory left, the only one left of hundreds and=20 hundreds in one day one hour in a flashes dust-to-dust, I mean bombed=20 and burnt down - I mean again and again semidarkness and parades,=20 clutching schopeupauer and life, running in circles saying hold on -=20 wait a minute hold on one second more please=20= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:36:16 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Re: Kenward Elmslie's word-choice Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 You have to remember that Becket was a dramaturge. His sets were phenomenal= pieces of art. Grove published the stage directions to Godot and their hig= hly detailed as to lighting, color, shading, etc. He didn't say it in as many words.=20 About 7 years ago, Lincoln Center had a Becket Festival. The Gate Theatre f= rom Dublin came and put on all his plays. It was incredible. There is a gro= up that calls itself the Becketeers: James Knowlson (biographer), Ed Albee,= Mel Gusow, Robert Scanlon (ART), Tom Bishop (head of NYU French Dept) and = a few others. They put on a big symposium the night of my 30th birthday. An= ex of mine worked for Bishop at the time. They spewed on and on about Becket, etc. There was a man whose name I canno= t remember who was Beckets assistant director for the last few years of Bec= ket's life. Gusow said something like Chekhov was the first half of 20th C = drama and Becket was the second half of 20th C drama. Albee said that Becke= t pushed the form to its limits and there at its limits he found his subjec= t matter. So, I asked the last question of the night. I had had my hand up = for more than an hour in a room filled with 300 or so people and with a cap= acity of only 175. Anyway, my question: "At the end of the 20th Century wha= t can we take from Becket into the 21st Century?" Ablee and Gusow just laug= hed at me. So, I stood up in front of the crowd and pressed. I reiterated t= heir foolish comments and finally pointedly asked, "So, if we were to push = Becket to his limit what would we find?" Gusow had no answer other than to = say to me that we will continue to read Becket in the 21st C. Scanlon said = something about the sanctity of the voice. Albee after ridiculing me a bit = about my naivete regarding a new deck of cards coming with the new millenni= um said something about the importance of the individual. The other gentlem= an, the man that was Becket's assistant said, "To me this is the most impor= tant question that can be asked tonight. If there is one thing that we can = and should take from Becket is that aesthetics and ethics are one in the sa= me." He went on to say that Becket really thought this. --Ak --- Kirby Olson wrote: >Did Beckett say this? Could you quote him? I don't know his work very we= ll -- I've read >Waiting for Godot, and a few other things, but don't know much else of his= . Do you mean that he >had neither an appreciation for ethics or aesthetics? Do you think he had= a serious sense of >ethics? Aesthetics? I didn't understand this, and would like to. > >-- Kirby > >"anastasios@hell.com" wrote: > >> I thought Beckett's body of work argues that that ethics and aesthetics = are one in the same? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:05:33 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clifford Duffy Subject: ebbe borregaard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hello to all -- I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing some writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration from his work. Best baving is red blessing a nd thanks to all CD _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 14:10:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Hadbawnik Subject: The Seventh Game of the World Series In-Reply-To: <3A1CA121-D33C-11D7-A1EE-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Seventh Game of the World Series San Francisco Fringe Festival at the Exit on Taylor (277 Taylor at Eddy St.) tickets: $8 Wednesday, Sept. 3, 7pm ? Saturday, Sept. 6, 8.30pm Sunday, Sept. 7, 8.30pm ? Saturday, Sept. 13, 10pm May 2002: New York Mets star catcher Mike Piazza, responding to rumors, holds an impromptu press conference before a Mets-Phillies game to tell the world, "I'm not gay. The truth is that I'm heterosexual and date women and that's it. End of story." Mets GM Steve Phillips adds: "If statistics hold up, in every clubhouse there is somebody who is gay. So what? Who cares?" Inspired by classic musicals, The Seventh Game of the World Series takes this premise and runs with it, handling the controversial issue of gay athletes with deft humor and a genuine love for the sport. The story itself is an entirely plausible through-the-looking-glass take on the world of modern baseball: Vincent Valence, superstar shortstop for the Generals, is a rising talent who just needs to finish the season without incident in order to cash in on the free agent market. But Old Man Blackstone, the owner who’s been running the team into the ground for years, suddenly has them in the World Series, with his evil, Steinbrennian nephew Frank ready to take over and move the team to Midland. All the media attention has got Vincent feeling more and more uncomfortable with his reputation as a hard-drinking, hard-partying womanizer, a persona he’s invented to hide his true sexuality. Vincent’ s boyfriend Louis is all in favor of his coming out with the truth – except that he also happens to be the star’s agent, and so advises Vincent to keep walking a tightrope until he’s got him safely signed somewhere for untold millions. But the pressure is getting to both of them, and when the truth of the matter gets into the wrong hands, Vincent Valence has to make a decision that could let down his manager -- a lovable loser who’s waited his whole life for a shot at a Series win -- all the rabid fans who’ve jumped on the Generals’ bandwagon, his teammates – and himself. Besides the coming-out story that this baseball fantasy hinges on, The Seventh Game of the World Series dares to ask tough questions about the game of baseball itself, such as: Why can’t most owners put a decent team on the field without charging an arm and a leg for everything from bleacher seats to watered-down beer? Why are some fans willing to risk life and limb for any scrap of game-used paraphernalia, no matter how bizarre? And what’s up with some teams’ hideous uniform combos? The first version of this piece was produced in January 2003 during the Poets Theater Jamboree, sponsored by Small Press Traffic at CCAC’s Timkin Hall. David Hadbawnik (writer and director) is a poet and performer. Stephen Berry (Vincent Valence, star shortstop) is currently an MA student at SFSU, enrolled in the comparative literature department, with a major in Russian literature. Stuart Bousel (Louis Lalime) most recently appeared in No Nude Men’s production of Edward II, which he also adapted and directed; his new play, Nooze, will open in San Francisco in November. Chris Leone (Old Man Blackstone) produces the critically acclaimed variety show, “The Smallest Show in Town,” and fronts The Lipsey Mountain Spring Band. Joe Leone (Frank Blackstone) has appeared in productions of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, Rumpelstiltskin, and Damn Yankees. Other players include Adam Genser, Anne Franklin, Perry Smith, Tanya Luckerath, Delphine Mae, and Allison Chen. The play will also feature a four-piece band led by Joel Behrman (Bear Cult, United Brassworkers Front), musical director and arranger, and lighting/stage design by Gina Leone. for more information visit www.sffringe.org or call 415.931.1094 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 20:39:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 9 Now Available In-Reply-To: <1061392518.3f439086796b1@mail1.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please forward --------------- Boog City 9, September 2003 Now Available (ok, not now, but friday, as it's being distributed tomorrow--see bottom of post for locations--though i do have a copy in my hand right this very moment.) Boog City 9, September 2003 It's the Bay Area issue, featuring: --Stephanie Young's travel guide to Oakland, complete with a detailed list of places to eat, shop, visit, and play --Small press editor Jane Sprague on Meritage Press --poetry from: Taylor Brady * Del Ray Cross * Donna de la Perriere * Joseph Lease * James Meetze * Catherine Meng * Chris Stroffolino * Eileen Tabios * Delia Tramontina * Stephanie Young --photos from Staci Foley Marengo and Andrew Nevin Rado and non-Bay Area stuff, too: --columnist-at-large Greg Fuchs on the community supported agriculture movement --Nancy Seewald's Eating Well on a Lousy But Steady Income takes on Caracas Arepa Bar --Stacee Sledge on Juliana Hatfield's new band, Some Girls, featuring her ex- Blake Babies bandmate Freda Love --and the September installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar Please patronize our advertisers: ACA Galleries * www.acagalleries.com The Bowery Poetry Club * www.bowerypoetry.com Marsh Hawk Press * www.MarshHawkPress.org Meritage Press * www.MeritagePress.com Olive Juice Music * www.olivejuicemusic.com Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs * yoyolabs@hotmail.com You can pick up Boog City for free at the following locations: East Village Acme alt.coffee Angelika Theater Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings Bowery Poetry Club Cafe Pick Me Up CBGB's CB's 313 Gallery Cedar Tavern C-Note Continental Lakeside Lounge Life Cafe The Living Room Mission Cafe Nuyorican Poets Cafe The Pink Pony Religious Sex See Hear Shakespeare & Co. St. Mark's Books Tonic Tower Video Other parts of Manhattan ACA Galleries Here Hotel Chelsea Poets House Revolution Books in Williamsburg Clovis Press Earwax L Cafe L Cafe to Go Sideshow Gallery Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:36:48 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: Little Review: Ezra Pound, Poems and Translations Comments: To: Rhizome , UK Poetry List , "Ubuweb@Yahoogroups.Com" , British Poetry List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [I hope to do a much fuller write-up on this book -- Pound was my first great poetic love in high school, and I had far too many ideas about this book than could fit in one paragraph -- so please accept this as "credit" for the later essay. I've put a picture up on the website: www.arras.net/weblog] Ezra Pound Poems and Translations The Library of America ISBN: 1-931082-41-3 14,000 pages $45 The writings of Ezra Pound have been traditionally associated with the late James Laughlin’s avant-garde publishing venture New Directions, and volumes such as his 1949 “collected” poems Personae, his sprawling epic The Cantos, his thick book of Translations, and the slim, tidy distillation of Selected Poems with its forbidding, purse-lipped profile of the poet, have been foundational, strangely comforting features on poetry lovers’ shelves for decades. Containing Pound in a single, albeit huge, volume that made claims to completism seemed impossible, and yet Richard Sieburth – best known as a critic and translator of Holderlein – has done an amazing job of finding and logically arranging nearly everything that Pound wrote that could be called a poem or translation, including the juvenalia of “Hilda’s Book” – written for fellow University of Pennsylvania student Hilda Doolittle – to the late, moving elegy, first published in 1971, that he wrote for the brother of one of his St. Elizabeths acolytes, but which Sieburth clearly intends for Pound himself: “Out of the turmoil, Mother of Griefs receive him, / Queen of Heaven receive him, / May the sound of the leaves give him peace, / May the hush of the forest receive him.” (1203) That Pound could figure himself as a seeker of peace while being, infamously, a virulent anti-Semite and supporter of Mussolini, is just one of the conflicts that make this volume compelling; but except in the rich chronology and footnotes that Sieburth provides (there is, sadly, no introduction), practically none of this social context make its presence known beyond proclivities of style: the poet's always precise, even "macho" meters, the near absence of any intimate or autobiographical tone, and his Puritan impatience with “Symbolist” ambiguities – he was set on curing the world of the decadent “nineties.” That Pound famously considered his life-work, the 800 page Cantos, a “botch” – and took to referring to himself as a “minor satirist” during the last years of his life as he suffered crippling depressions – makes the verve, optimism and confidence of such undertakings as the reversionings of Guido Cavalcanti and Arnaut Daniel (however shackled by 19th century conventions), the robust, still fresh “Cathay” sequence, the metrical displays of “Tenzone," “Dance Figure” and "Hugh Selwyn Mauberley" and the innovative “Homage to Sextius Propertius” – all from his richest period before the 1920s - right through his passion for translating Sophocles and Confucius’ Classic Anthology, seem like an Icarian flight primed for a great, however morally distressing, fall - one that took some of American poetry’s very thirst for hearty, internationalist undertakings with it. Pound believed that all mankind needed to know of literature could be contained in a two-foot shelf, and he set out translating, for a country he thought had yet to ascend out of “barbarism,” those works that were missing; his own place on that shelf might not be that thick – all-in-all, many of these pages are taken up by trivial sequences like the “Alfred Venison” poems (Cockney ballads in support of his “social credit” ideas) and the social farce of "Moeurs Contemporaines," idiosyncratic “readers” versions of Sophocles and Japanese Noh plays, and the Confucian works which crave simplicity and wisdom but are clearly the products of a didactic, irascible and fatally undialectic iconoclast: “He said: problem of style? Get the meaning across and then STOP.” (731). Yet one can’t help to think that the appearance of this volume, which seems streamlined, coherent and responsible compared to the many pages of The Cantos that are barely readable due to stylistic infelicities and political excesses - compare his work on the Analects to the "American President Cantos" - will give readers of American poetry a sense of starting over, of renewed energy in resorting through the horrific details of a long, ideologically wounded century and the myriad luminous details of a few millennia of European and Asian literature. ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:59:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: revamped portal site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ now revamped w/ new and old material added thru wifi on the fly / i think it may be smaller but chock-full the cover-story's still the same, just a directory index a just like this b just like that c && enjoy ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 22:17:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 9 Now Available Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please forward --------------- Boog City 9, September 2003 Now Available (ok, not now, but friday, as it's being distributed tomorrow--see bottom of this email for locations--though i do have a copy in my hand right this ver= y moment.) Boog City 9, September 2003 It's the Bay Area issue, featuring: --Stephanie Young's travel guide to Oakland, complete with a detailed list of places to eat, shop, visit, and play --Small press editor Jane Sprague on Meritage Press --poetry from: Taylor Brady * Del Ray Cross * Donna de la Perri=E8re * Joseph Lease * James Meetze * Catherine Meng * Chris Stroffolino * Eileen Tabios * Delia Tramontina * Stephanie Young --photos from Staci Foley Marengo and Andrew Nevin Rado and non-Bay Area stuff, too: --columnist-at-large Greg Fuchs on the community supported agriculture movement --Nancy Seewald's Eating Well on a Lousy But Steady Income takes on Caracas Arepa Bar --Stacee Sledge on Juliana Hatfield's new band, Some Girls, featuring her ex-Blake Babies bandmate Freda Love --and the September installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar Please patronize our advertisers: ACA Galleries * www.acagalleries.com The Bowery Poetry Club * www.bowerypoetry.com Marsh Hawk Press * www.MarshHawkPress.org Meritage Press * www.MeritagePress.com Olive Juice Music * www.olivejuicemusic.com Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs * yoyolabs@hotmail.com You can pick up Boog City for free at the following locations: East Village Acme alt.coffee Angelika Theater Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings Bowery Poetry Club Cafe Pick Me Up CBGB's CB's 313 Gallery Cedar Tavern C-Note Continental Lakeside Lounge Life Cafe The Living Room Mission Cafe Nuyorican Poets Cafe The Pink Pony Religious Sex See Hear Shakespeare & Co. St. Mark's Books Tonic Tower Video Other parts of Manhattan ACA Galleries Here Hotel Chelsea Poets House Revolution Books in Williamsburg Clovis Press Earwax L Cafe L Cafe to Go Sideshow Gallery Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe -- David A. 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It may well take me two years to finish working my way through this = effort, but...BUT, I will count every second of = viewing/reading/listening as time well spent. =20 There are on the net VVP's (verbal/Visual Polutants), unfortunately, = there are far too few VVC's (Verbal/Visual Creations). Your work here = is exemplary VVC. Bravo!=20 Oh, and have I not seen this face elsewhere? 10trilby.JPG = 20-Aug-2003 04:53 163k Alex P.S. Kudos intended to be read by the world at large. =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Sondheim=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: revamped portal site http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ now revamped w/ new and old material added thru wifi on the fly / i think it may be smaller but chock-full the cover-story's still the same, just a directory index a just like this b just like that c && enjoy ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:18:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Evans Subject: Attention Span: Third Factory Mid-Year Roundup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In June of 2003, I invited readers of the website Third Factory / Notes to Poetry to submit constellations of up to eleven titles representing their own present interests as readers. While an emphasis on poetry titles published after 2000 was encouraged, other items of literary, cultural, and political interest were also welcomed. I am grateful to everyone who made time to participate in this provisional (and indeed radically incomplete) attempt at charting the shifting field of our singular and collective attentions. I invite Poetics-L readers to have a look--and drop me a line if you're interested in participating in a year-end installment in December 03/January 04. Best to all, Steve Evans Assembled titles from 29 contributors: http://www.thirdfactory.net/attentionspan03-26.html Individually signed and commented lists: http://www.thirdfactory.net/atsp0326-individ.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:55:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: revamped portal site In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Thank you - in the trilby image, it's Azure (my partner and wife) taken in infra-red... Azure is in a lot of my work; in infra-red the face appears almost juvenile or sculpted marble; one can lose oneself in the invisible - Alan http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:44:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing too. -Joel W. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Duffy" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM Subject: ebbe borregaard > hello to all -- > > > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing some > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration > from his work. > > Best baving is red blessing a > nd > thanks > to all > CD > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:02:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Sentences of Increasing Complexity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oo _, _((-' _/ S*E*N*T*E*N*C*E*S / "" , ,',O | # ", O*F ,' __/ -. # " (;_,``' \ " I*N*C*R*E*A*S*I*N*G \ # ", \ # " C*O*M*P*L*E*X*I*T*Y \ " \ # # ", \ # ", 1. Thanks. , 2. Wow, thanks. 3. Wow, thanks for the giraffe! 4. Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful! 5. Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange! 6. Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange (a color one doesn't usually associate with gracefulness)! 7. Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange (a color one doesn't usually associate with gracefulness) ... you must be exhausted! 8. Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange (a color one doesn't usually associate with gracefulness!) ... you must be exhausted: can I get you something to drink? 9. "Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange (a color one doesn't usually associate with gracefulness!) ... you must be exhausted: can I get you something to drink?" Heinrich asked, ushering Joey Frazetta and the 20-foot, 2,800-pound beast into his cramped Spandauer Vorstadt apartment. 10. "Wow, thanks for the giraffe; it's so graceful--and so orange (a color one doesn't usually associate with gracefulness) ... you must be exhausted: can I get you something to drink?" Heinrich asked, ushering Joey and the 20-foot, 2,800-pound beast into his cramped Spandauer Vorstadt apartment, thinking, _Mein Gott, mein amerikanischer Freund ist geisteskrank gegangen!_ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:11:43 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: process01 chaplet: "What's so wrong with being Poplar?" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed process01: chaplet "What's so wrong with being Poplar?" A forest fire in my lungs comes from pine. National forests hide in cupboards. The larval stage, a white legless grub, develops and feeds inside the leaves of Poplar and other landscape trees, including Maple. Farewell to the shade, the lazy days of picnics, the latest bed and breakfast accommodations. Subsequently, the shoreline was graded to make the loop road, because of the uneven teeth along its leaf margins. "In 'What's so wrong with being Poplar?', ryan fitzpatrick answers just that and in the process discovers the dark, secret life of the Poplar tree. In this world, Poplars stalk Maple trees with machetes and turn up stones to eat termites." Published on a long sheet of 5.5x17 pale yellow paper folded brochure wise. Email ryan fitzpatrick (rcfmod@hotmail.com) if you're interested in getting a copy. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:01:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: <003101c367f2$bc314d00$5cfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City { Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing { too. { { -Joel W. { { { ----- Original Message ----- { From: "Clifford Duffy" { To: { Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM { Subject: ebbe borregaard { { { > hello to all -- { > { > { > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there { > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would { > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing { some { > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration { > from his work. { > { > Best baving is red blessing a { > nd { > thanks { > to all { > CD { > { > _________________________________________________________________ { > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. { > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus { ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:01:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: <003101c367f2$bc314d00$5cfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Seems to be alive and living in Sonoma, California. Try the White Pages. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { { He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City { Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing { too. { { -Joel W. { { { ----- Original Message ----- { From: "Clifford Duffy" { To: { Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM { Subject: ebbe borregaard { { { > hello to all -- { > { > { > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there { > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would { > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing { some { > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration { > from his work. { > { > Best baving is red blessing a { > nd { > thanks { > to all { > CD { > { > _________________________________________________________________ { > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. { > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus { ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:20:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Little Review: Ezra Pound, Poems and Translations In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 8/20/03 6:36 PM, Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net] at bstefans@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Ezra Pound > Poems and Translations > The Library of America > ISBN: 1-931082-41-3 > 14,000 pages (!!!!!!!!!!!!) > $45 14,000 pages! A conceptual piece is in order. Soon as the weather cools down, why not organize a two column poet's brigade to meet at a designated border town in Iraq. Each column will start with 7,000 pages each. After determining the circumference of Iraq's borders in miles, the brigades will walk in opposite direction to circumnavigate the entire border of Iraq. Page by page, the brigades will mark their walk with Pound's poems, the number for each mile being determined by 14,000 pages divided by the total number of miles. (Quick Google research has yet to determine this circumference figure). Locating and placing the poems as temporary border marks, each marking will feature a brief brigade reading of the poem in the manner of a chorus. Morning and evening brigade discussions will focus on various issues surrounding the Pound poems of the day (legacy - literary, political, etc.) each of which will be taped. Encounters with Iraqi locals, United States military personnel, topography will also be documented. Sumerian scholars - Iraqi and non-Iraqi will be invited to reflect and contribute on the relationship between Pound, Sumeria and contemporary discourse on the lyric, translation and linguistic strategies in contemporary Iraq. Each member of the pilgrimage will, of course, carry wireless computers and maintain a reflective blog. I am not sure what this is all about. Or is it about how does any go about meaningfully and/or creatively reading 14,000 pages? Or how does one pro-actively read (if that's a requirement) through what Barry W would/has called Bad History? Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:46:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: A New Furtherfield & New Work... (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:04:09 +0100 From: furtherfield To: furtherfield Subject: A New Furtherfield & New Work... Furtherfield.org are pleased to announce a new adventure. http://www.furtherfield.org Furtherfield has a new content management system and new design. This is th= e first stage in a gradual shift which will allow visitors and artist members to contribute more dynamically to the site. A big shout goes out to artist Chris Webb who has recently become an essential member of Furtherfield and has left his own excellent Pogogallery.com to join the team. He has worked with us consistently on the new site, taking the lead in its redesign. Also, a cute holler of intense gratitude goes out to new recruit Adrian Eaton, the content management dude who is also currently working with Ruth Catlow on 'Rethinking Wargames Activate'. http://www.furtherfield.org/rcatlow/converse/documents/rethink.htm Other new changes on the new Furtherfield site? Visitors can now register with furtherfield and become members (no charge). Members can now contribute dynamically to discussions about the artwork featured on Furtherfield and receive regular updates about latest activities. The 'Public Broadcast' section on the home page enables visitors to upload information about projects and events relating to digital/web/net art from all over the world. And yes, more artwork featured on Furtherfield The Archaea Series - Alan Sondheim Graffoto - Man of the Crowd/ Glowlab Frequency Love - Chris Webb PANSE - P=E1ll Thayer World - Glorious Ninth Web Cam Theatre - Ivan Pope The House that George Built - Dion Laurent The Archaea Series - Alan Sondheim 'I've developed, over the last few years, certain assumptions about softwar= e art. Just browse through the many entries available at runme.org (http://runme.org/), and you, too will likely come away with some of these assumptions: that software art is, at its heart, utilitarian; it functions, it does something; it's tool-like; it's often more software than art. Over the last month or so, July and August 2003, the writer Alan Sondheim has been happily chipping away at those assumptions. - Lewis Lacook Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=3DIndex&review_id=3D39 Graffoto - Man of the Crowd/ Glowlab 'In Graffoto02, MOTC (man of the crowd) has printed out photographs of the streets, pasted them back onto the surfaces where they were taken, and then rephotographed them in situ. I guess that in the streets these images act a= s a mirror of sorts for the street artists of Brooklyn. Also as a sign that the guttural and wonderfully articulated expressions of protest, humour, threat and joie de vivre can be both appreciated and participated in but also consumed by the world of mediation. These second stage images do evoke a strange threat of surveillance.' - Ruth Catlow Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=3DIndex&review_id=3D40 Frequency Love - Chris Webb 'Frequency Love is a net art piece, not in the networked sense but conceptually filled to the brim with a net consciousness, a net object. Thi= s visual deviation playfully captures the dark side of the Internet and its globally collective and obsessive mannerist activities. It reveals a psychological nuance of the everyday Internet sexual experience.' - Marc Garrett. Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=3DIndex&review_id=3D4 PANSE - P=E1ll Thayer 'PANSE is the latest in a series of generative audio-visual pieces created by Reykjav=EDk based artist P=E1ll Thayer. PANSE or 'Public Access Network = Sound Engine' is a server based program which creates a live audio stream based o= n (multi) user interaction. Alongside the continuous live mp3 stream, visitor= s to the site can interact with the piece, modifying and mutating the audio created in real time, through a series of interfaces that also respond visually to the live audio data being generated by PANSE and other concurrent visitors.' - Neil Jenkins Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=3D46 World - Glorious Ninth 'This strangely emotional work weaves finely tuned aesthetic formalism with polemic. Unusually for Internet based media works (though not for much of the generative Flash work made by collaborators Kate Southworth and Patrick Simons of GloriusNinth), after an initial cascade of data, the piece unfold= s at an intensely slow pace, inducing a mesmeric state in the viewer and winding down the desire to click, for the next feature.' - Ruth Catlow Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=3D43 Web Cam Theatre - Ivan Pope 'Objects are cast in a performative context displaying motion and time usin= g Internet technology. By using very basic equipment, cheap web cams, cheap software, cheap objects Ivan has created a twilight world. We witness a psychogeographically influenced environment that engages a fluent mix of conceptual and poetic crossovers with performance/live action. The installation is minimal, with light settings, the quality of the image and time-based changes largely uncontrollable.' - Marc Garrett Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?review_id=3D38 The House that George Built - Dion Laurent Dion Laurent's website of 'The House that George Built' contains 3 gallerie= s of photographs which document a remarkable, satirical project in the grand tradition of doing exactly as you are told, in order to reveal and subvert the idiocy of national government. The shelter that Laurent built in his home, takes as its starting point, instructions issued by the US Department of Homeland Security in their 'Campaign for citizen preparedness'. Read full text and view the work at http://www.furtherfield.org/displayreview.php?From=3DIndex&review_id=3D45 See you there http://www.furtherfield.org If you are not supposed to be on our email list - please just put 'unsubscribe' in the subject header & we will delete you from our list. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:55:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin Opstedal mentions Ebbe at Jack Magazine. http://www.jackmagazine.com/issue3/renhist.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:44 AM Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard > He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City > Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing > too. > > -Joel W. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clifford Duffy" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM > Subject: ebbe borregaard > > > > hello to all -- > > > > > > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there > > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would > > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing > some > > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration > > from his work. > > > > Best baving is red blessing a > > nd > > thanks > > to all > > CD > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:06:17 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: ethics/aesthetics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Anastasios, As I ponder Waiting for Godot in my memory I can't recall any sense of an= ethical message in it. It's very hard for me to place what this French director Pierre (Chabron?= -- I forgot the name already and am too lazy to look up the post once mo= re, but will look it up after I've posted) meant by this phrase. For ins= tance, Wittgenstein said EXACTLY the same thing in the Tractatus -- in fa= ct it is the only remark he makes about aesthetics in the ENTIRE Tractatu= s -- "Ethics and aesthetics are one and the same." But what he apparentl= y meant by this was that one can't say ANYTHING intelligible about either= one because their domain lies outside of language in what he was dismiss= ing at the time as the mystical. "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one = should remain silent!" Later on he reverses this position and talks abou= t the open-endedness of art (a concept that I haven't sufficiently master= ed), but in the Tractatus he says just what your French director said abo= ut Beckett, and said that Beckett thought. But what is meant by this? A = Marxist might think he meant that aesthetics was actually just ethics, bu= t what he was in fact doing was dismissing both of them. When you think = of Beckett he also had a real absence of any kind of transcendent value (= Godot never arrives), and thus maybe couldn't talk of aesthetics/ or ethi= cs, and so maybe the director was saying that Beckett and early Wittgenst= ein were on the same page in terms of saying that neither functioned as r= eference points in their universe. As for Albee -- his latest play (the man must be in his 90s) was about a = man who divorces his wife because he has fallen in love with a goat. Thi= s play baffled everybody I know who saw it. He didn't just want to have = bestial sex with the goat, or maybe it was a sheep, I didn't see the play= , but just read a review and talked with a number of people who went. Th= e male lead was completely smitten by the quadruped. He was IN LOVE with= it, and adored it, and so on. The actor who played the lead role has a = name that I constantly forget -- he played the president in Armageddon --= William maybe something. He gave an interview in which he said that he = had no idea what the play was about, but for 75 thousand dollars a night,= he was willing to perform it. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:04:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: a horse by any other bright articulate interior Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed dreadful revolting tea-leaf dog, with your face of a withered pig, rabidly misadventurous, you cannot catch a break * the forest well-marked this half of the zoo * that's a dandy birthday of a sleeve sticking out from your shirt, Fido boy * my nest underground – sustained caged – caged wanted charm alluring poor, neither wet nor flesh, an everyday patron * Aphrodite is a small companion who can embalm the lonely moonrise, said William Grocyn, pioneer of Greek studies in England, while expelling the Devil’s inhale, harrowing does God no favors * dousers wish sympathetic flesh more liquid glyphs preferred my world the world they knew * pronouncement is a sound of desecrated tombs, their enriched initials leak to the finish &, nearby, begin anew – * presumption tears up a miniature distribution of dead pity language is pity, the vilest curse a blessing a vocable pulses from breath to death, how many are needed to outlive us as prayer? * rain arranged her strength indoors, she'll hum poor joys unknown as several seas the hidden “so long” leaning away like anger * greetings' growth mourned fraudulent uprootings * sleek horses hang together & conceal her new science a dozen times at least _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 16:07:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: BIG CAR BOTH WAYS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed unconscionable child, in a laugh show them the bird your distance hacks into a regular form & the third remaining time should’ve sped to your side vicissitudes commuting their dears, offerings shut them up auditorium of drudgery, nine hundred donations spread for bows, even quizzical bows the work forecast to native-empire-knightingale chords uncompassed frustration buried in earth & sky satellite abed, good Ianthe is dead perdition your due on this earth Ianthe yet a spectre stored in the world, her dawn is kept to a minimum the slightest soliciting expects the World plainly, Ianthe, animation is a burning present & animation is a thing of the past, Ianthe, it's no use to number figures the less to fulfill the market of venom = this should exceed the bodies considered succulent _________________________________________________________________ Chat privately with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger! http://www5.msnmessenger-download.com/imastar/default.aspx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:00:54 -0700 Reply-To: pdunagan@lycos.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes he's alive and well. Or so was in the last couple of years when he read poems, at least once, at New College in San Francisco. (may be it was a few years back. I know he read when the re-issue of Donald Allen's anthology came out.) If my memory is accurate, he did say something along the lines of that he doesn't right much anymore and what he read went back about 30 years. He was charming though. Patrick Dunagan -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:01:58 From: Halvard Johnson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: >Seems to be alive and living in Sonoma, California. >Try the White Pages. > >Hal Serving the tri-state area. > >Halvard Johnson >=============== >email: halvard@earthlink.net >website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > >{ >{ He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City >{ Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing >{ too. >{ >{ -Joel W. >{ >{ >{ ----- Original Message ----- >{ From: "Clifford Duffy" >{ To: >{ Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM >{ Subject: ebbe borregaard >{ >{ >{ > hello to all -- >{ > >{ > >{ > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there >{ > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would >{ > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing >{ some >{ > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration >{ > from his work. >{ > >{ > Best baving is red blessing a >{ > nd >{ > thanks >{ > to all >{ > CD >{ > >{ > _________________________________________________________________ >{ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:16:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: wryte thru the roof Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit feeling blogless in cybertopia? the folks at the wrytings list invite you to jam the circuits at a new blog wrytings -- tethered writing ~to view: http://wryteon.blogspot.com/ ~to collaborate with the ongoing text: http://www.blogger.com signin box is upper right; username: (wryteon) password: (wryter) ~after you sign in, you need to select the wryting blog link. & dont forget to enter text in the box, no telling what you might wryte... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 17:55:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: <001901c36815$d5645470$881ca5d1@ibmw17kwbratm7> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit For the audibles and maybe video tape, I believe Borregaard read possibly with Robin Blazer years ago at the SF State Poetry Center in the 70's. Check the Archives Catalog for either audio or video tape. . Bill Berkson - I suspect - will know Borregaard's fate (with us or not). My vague impression is that he ended up spending a lot of time in a boat off Bolinas, fishing perhaps, which fed his poems. But anybody in the former or present Bolinas world would know - say, Joanne Kyger, Grenier. I also suspect - similar to Harold Dull and Rick Duerden (now passed) once Spicer departed in 1965, the strings went dead and they never regained their gifts on their own. Nevertheless they created wonderful stuff while the ripples (Waves) were strong in the circle. Stephen Vincent on 8/21/03 11:55 AM, Michael Rothenberg at walterblue@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Kevin Opstedal mentions Ebbe at Jack Magazine. > http://www.jackmagazine.com/issue3/renhist.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard > > >> He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." > (City >> Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing >> too. >> >> -Joel W. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Clifford Duffy" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM >> Subject: ebbe borregaard >> >> >>> hello to all -- >>> >>> >>> I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out > there >>> know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would >>> information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing >> some >>> writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some > inspiration >>> from his work. >>> >>> Best baving is red blessing a >>> nd >>> thanks >>> to all >>> CD >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. >>> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:45:41 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: emergency Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 release of the new issue of emergency almanac http://emergencypress.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 00:00:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: PORTAL MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII PORTAL [IMG] [IMG] 005. [IMG] 006. [IMG] 011. [IMG] 024. [IMG] 026. [IMG] 038. [IMG] 039. [IMG] 043. [IMG] 045. [IMG] 046. [IMG] 054. [IMG] 061. [IMG] 062. [IMG] 065. [IMG] 069. [IMG] 070. [IMG] 074. [IMG] 076. [IMG] 078. 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Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 09:19:03 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Premiere Magazine: Arnold the Barbarian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Here's an infamous exposé on Arnold's womanizing ways that Premiere magazine did a couple of years back. Until recently it was available on the magazine's web site archives, but it seems to have been pulled. Luckily one can find it elsewhere on the web. If you like reading celebrity dirt, this is a good read. http://www.slumdance.com/blogs/brian_flemming/archives/000300.html http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=ISO-8859-1&as_umsgid=20030121112534.18414.00000243@mb-dh.aol.com&lr=&hl=en Arnold the Barbarian Premiere Magazine March 2001 By John Connolly Once, he was a box office terminator. But now that Arnold Schwarzenegger has lost some of his muscle in Hollywood, stories of his boorish behavior can no longer be routinely erased. Then again, he'd make a helluva politician. The tabloid press got a nice Christmas present late last year when Arnold Schwarzenegger tore through a day of publicity work in London, promoting his latest film, The 6th Day, which had just opened there. In less than 24 hours, the star was said to have attempted to, as high school boys used to say, cop a little feel from three different female talk-show hosts. The level of consternation expressed by those who received this hands-on treatment from the hulking, Austrian-born international superstar ranged from none whatsoever (Denise Van Outen of The Big Breakfast invites her guests to lie on a bed with her and, hence, probably has a rather elastic definition of what constitutes inappropriate behavior) to irked (on tape, Celebrity interviewer Melanie Sykes looks a little thrown off after Arnold gives her a very definite squeeze on the rib cage, directly under her right breast) to, finally, righteously indignant. Anna Richardson of Big Screen claims that after the cameras stopped rolling for her interview segment, Schwarzenegger, apparently attempting to ascertain whether Richardson's breasts were real, tweaked her nipple and then laughed at her objections. "I left the room quite shaken," she says. "What was more upsetting was that his people rushed to protect him and scapegoated me, and not one person came to apologize afterward." No apologies, indeed: A subsequent statement from Schwarzenegger attorney Martin Singer characterized Richardson as someone trying to get her "15 minutes of fame." After all, why else would she create such an "outrageous fabrication" (Singer's phrase) against a married man-Schwarzenegger has been wed to NBC's Maria Shriver since 1986-a father of four, someone who ceaselessly espouses family values in the press? On the other hand, the stills of Schwarzenegger grinning as he pats Van Outen's hip or of his give-me-some-sugar-baby expression as he tries to draw Sykes close to him are a little unsettling. Was Arnold jet-lagged? Going through a midlife crisis? "You don't get it," says a producer who's worked with Schwarzenegger. "That's the way Arnold always behaves. For some reason, [this time] the studio or the publicists couldn't put enough pressure on the women to kill the story." Terminating bad press was once relatively easy for Schwarzenegger, who for much of the '80s and a good part of the '90s was a veritable money-making machine for the studios. And while some of his most recent films have enjoyed less-than-stellar box office performances, he is still a very huge star and one of the highest-paid actors in the world: He reportedly received $25 million for his work in the 1999 disappointment End of Days. Accordingly, Schwarzenegger films are always big-budget affairs; as such, they provide lots of jobs to lots of people and generate lots of money to lots of studio suits and other peripheral players. Arnold is not just a rich movie star; he's the straw that stirs the drinks. The sort of person, in other words, who tends to get indulged. A lot. "The second I walked into the room," Anna Richardson says, several weeks after the incident, "he was like a dog in heat." Other stories about Schwarzenegger tend to fit her simile. During the production of the 1991 mega-blockbuster Terminator 2: Judgment Day, a producer on that film recalls Arnold's emerging from his trailer one day and noticing a fortyish female crew member, who was wearing a silk blouse. Arnold went up to the woman, put his hands inside her blouse, and proceeded to pull her breasts out of her bra. Another observer says, "I couldn't believe what I was seeing. This woman's nipples were exposed, and here's Arnold and a few of his clones laughing. I went after the woman, who had run to the shelter of a nearby trailer. She was hysterical but refused to press charges for fear of losing her job. It was disgusting." A former Schwarzenegger employee recalls another incident from the T2 days. At the time, director James Cameron was married but having an affair with one of the film's stars, Linda Hamilton. One evening, while riding in a limo with Cameron, Hamilton, and others, Schwarzenegger suddenly lifted Hamilton onto his lap and began fondling her breasts through the very thin top she was wearing. The witness says, "I couldn't believe Cameron didn't have the balls to tell Arnold to get off his girl. The whole thing made me sick." A female producer on one of Schwarzenegger's films tells of a time when her ex-husband came to visit the set. When she introduced the man to Schwarzenegger, the star quipped, "Is this guy the reason why you didn't come up to my hotel room last night and suck my cock?" A woman who went to the set of 1996's Eraser recalls the friend she was visiting there being asked to retrieve Schwarzenegger from his trailer for a shot that was ready to roll earlier than expected. "He asked me if I wanted to meet Arnold, and I said sure. When we opened the door to his trailer, Arnold was giving oral sex to a woman. He looked up and, with that accent, said very slowly, 'Eating is not cheating.' I met him again about a year later and asked him, in German, whether or not eating was cheating, and he just laughed." It's clearly convenient for a guy who preaches family values in interviews- particularly when he's promoting the Inner-City Games Foundation, his youth charity, and citing single parenting as a major social woe-to have some loose parameters as to what constitutes cheating on one's wife. (It depends on what your definition of define is.) By some accounts, Maria Shriver has not had it all that easy. Two people witnessed an incident at a 7 a.m. tennis game that Mr. and Mrs. Schwarzenegger were playing at their hotel, during the shooting of Total Recall. One of the witnesses says, "Maria started throwing up. She couldn't play, and Arnold started berating her and then stomped off the court. At noon that day, the smiling couple announced that Maria was pregnant." Schwarzenegger was also seen carrying on with his Total Recall costar Rachel Ticotin. A journalist who once accompanied the (then) married Ticotin and Schwarzenegger on an evening out says, "The three of us had gone to dinner, where the two of them were all lovey-dovey. We then went to a nightclub, but I left to go back to the Hotel Nikko México soon thereafter. When I left them, they were making out and were all over each other on a banquette. The next day, I saw Arnold and Maria strolling out of the elevator. Maria gave me the look a married woman does when she knows that you know her husband is cheating on her. I felt terrible for her." A lot of people must feel the same. A lawyer who frequents Café Roma, a Beverly Hills bistro that is a hangout for real and wannabe wiseguys, says, "When ever I see Schwarzenegger and his crew [walk into the place], I leave quickly and go to another restaurant. This guy is a real pig. He will say the most disgusting sexual things to women he doesn't know. Everybody knows he is Arnold Schwarzenegger. . . . But in any other city, somebody would have cracked him by now." In Hollywood, though, nobody cracks a billion-dollar box office gorilla. Schwarzenegger's extraordinary rise to international stardom can be traced back to the release of the 1977 documentary Pumping Iron, directed by George Butler and Robert Fiore. The film, an extension of the book of the same title, about the world of bodybuilding competitions, portrays Schwarzenegger in a fascinating light; the practically Machiavellian way he psychs out contest opponent Lou Ferrigno (the muscleman who later went on to portray the Incredible Hulk on television) is something to behold. (As is a prior film of Schwarzenegger's, 1970's Hercules in New York, a no-budget Z-picture that paired the muscleman, appearing in the title role under the stage name Arnold Strong, with archetypal nebbish Arnold Stang.) It wasn't until 1982's Conan the Barbarian that Arnold demonstrated his box office drawing power. Conan producer Edward R. Pressman says, "We signed Arnold to a three-picture deal, which called for him to be paid $250,000 for the first film and the same for each sequel. The movie turned into a monster hit, and we sold our sequel rights. I'm sure Arnold was able to renegotiate his salary for the sequels." Within just a few short years, he was on his way to becoming one of the highest-paid movie stars in history. Because he has achieved such an enormous level of respectability and credibility, it's easy to forget that early in his Hollywood career, he was seen by many as a walking cartoon, if not an out-and-out joke. (He might have experienced an unpleasant frisson while costarring in a 1980 TV-movie biopic of Jayne Mansfield, playing Mickey Hartigay, Mansfield's bodybuilder-turned-actor husband, who spent the latter portion of his acting career in such ultra-shlocky Italian horror pics as The Bloody Pit of Horror.) As do most megastars, Schwarzenegger has a retinue of agents, managers, advisors, and hangers-on (to whom he has often demonstrated great loyalty; his former agent Lou Pitt recalls that über-agent Mike Ovitz "tried to steal my client Arnold from me any number of times-he was all over Arnold like a cheap suit!" but that Arnold brushed Ovitz aside, staying with Pitt for almost 15 years). Still, he has largely made his own decisions. He has always done it, as the song says, his way. Which is entirely in keeping with his self-image. "I was born to be a leader. I love being a leader," he told Britain's Loaded magazine two years ago. He's not the only person impressed with his alpha-male mien. "He has a completely single-minded style. It is his agenda or no agenda," says a longtime associate of Schwarzenegger's. A producer who worked with Arnold on True Lies says, "Arnold is incredible. At one of the marketing meetings, Arnold got up and spoke and not only knew the direction we should take in marketing the film, but was so full of confidence, he inspired everyone in the room." But confidence can cut a lot of different ways, and Schwarzenegger's can manifest itself cruelly. During the filming of Terminator 2, Schwarzenegger had a dresser who, it was generally conceded, had not been hired for his looks. Often, in front of the whole crew, Arnold would order the man, "Sit, you ugly dog," and the man would drop to his knees like a trained dog. Crew members would laugh, perhaps nervously, but no one spoke up in protest. The man was finally put out of his misery when a producer witnessed the spectacle-and fired the man rather than allow him to continue to be abused by Schwarzenegger. "I love the fact that millions of people look up to me," Schwarzenegger told Loaded. One reason people continue to look up to him is because he-and the people around him-have been so successful at hiding the real Arnold from the world. The star cleaned house several years ago, not only letting go of Lou Pitt but also longtime publicist Charlotte Parker, who, for years, had reputedly been a veritable bull when it came to protecting her client. In 1990, Team Schwarzenegger attempted to derail the publication of an unauthorized biography of Schwarzenegger by Wendy Leigh. At the time, Leigh was engaged in a lawsuit with Schwarzenegger over her contribution to a piece about the star in Britain's News of the World; she was offered a settlement on the condition that, among other things, she not publish the book. She didn't accept that condition; the suit was settled some time later. Charles Fleming reported in Spy magazine that before Leigh's book was published, Franco Columbu, a longtime bodybuilding associate of Schwarzenegger's, offered Leigh's publisher, Contemporary Books, the choice of either a large amount of money or an "authorized" bio, written with Arnold, if it would agree to cancel Leigh's book. Contemporary Books refused. Once Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography was published, Parker went into overdrive to bury it. Fleming wrote, "When Time did a cover story on Arnold and was granted an interview, Parker explained that the interview would be ended instantly if the reporters introduced the subject of Leigh's book." A source close to Parker says, "When Charlotte couldn't kill a story about one of Arnold's infidelities, he canned her." Parker had done her best. The story was originally slated to be a feature on a television entertainment-news show; it wound up as a small gossip-column item that didn't make many waves. (When Parker, who no longer does publicity for the star or the Arnold Classic, a Schwarzenegger-affiliated bodybuilding competition, was first approached about this story, she said that she would answer specific questions; later, she politely demurred: "I prefer to not participate in your story." Schwarzenegger, too, declined repeated requests to be interviewed for this article.) Schwarzenegger and his people have also been able to use the ever-intertwining tendrils of media conglomeration to their benefit. A onetime reporter for the now-defunct tabloid TV show Hard Copy recalls, "I had been working on a story about Arnold's use of steroids. Hard Copy was owned by Paramount. I was told, in no uncertain terms, to forget the story. Paramount was afraid that if we did the story, they would never get Arnold to do a film." The old saw says that if you've got your health, you've got everything. It is probable that this man, once named chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness by the first Bush Administration, is not as healthy as he would like the public to believe. In April of 1997, Arnold's then publicist, Catherine Olim, informed the world that Arnold had undergone elective heart surgery to replace an aortic valve, at the USC University Hospital in Los Angeles. In a statement attributed to the then 49-year-old star, he assured his fans, "Choosing to undergo open-heart surgery when I never felt sick was the hardest decision I've ever made. I can now look forward to a long, healthy life with my family." Olim told the press that the operation was to correct a congenital heart condition. "Steroids," she declared, "have nothing to do with this." But Pumping Iron director George Butler, who shot 6,000 still pictures of bodybuilder Arnold in various poses before he started work on either the book or the movie, and who has maintained a relationship with Schwarzenegger for more than 20 years, says, "During the operation, doctors removed his heart from his body and replaced one of the heart valves with a pig valve. During his recovery, he was rushed back to the operating room, where the doctors again removed his heart and implanted two more pig valves." A patient undergoing valve-replacement surgery has several options. An aortic valve can be replaced by the patient's own pulmonic valve, after which a valve taken from a pig replaces the pulmonic valve. Mechanical valves are also an option. The advantage of using pig valves, according to Dr. Leonard Girardi, assistant professor of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Manhattan's New York Weill Cornell Medical Center of New York Presbyterian Hospital, is that "you do not need to be on blood thinners; you could just take an aspirin [which acts as a blood thinner] and that would be sufficient." The kind of medication required to maintain a mechanical valve, Girardi says, doesn't jibe well with an athletic lifestyle. Still, pig valves have a downside: They deteriorate. "A pig valve, in general, will last an average of 12 years or so. I have seen them last as long as 20 years." This is not necessarily an issue for a patient who undergoes the procedure at age 78; but Schwarzenegger's surgery occurred several months before his 50th birthday. Carla Ferrigno, the wife of bodybuilder Lou, has, like Butler, known Schwarzenegger for more than 20 years; she says, "It's funny how he is trying to change history." She says she has spoken to two doctors who were in the operating room during Schwarzenegger's procedures, and the account she heard squares with Butler's. A doctor who's friendly with the Kennedys (Schwarzenegger's wife is a Kennedy niece) says he is well-acquainted with the details of the operations and speculates that Schwarzenegger's medical problems might be related to his use of anabolic steroids during the years he was a bodybuilder. Another doctor, Alan Leshner, the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, in Bethesda, Maryland, describes some of the effects of steroid use: "Steroids interfere with protein function; they work by promoting protein growth and body mass. At the same time, they are all related to androgens in one way or another. So if you put on a big protein load, you could have kidney trouble. . . . You could have cardiovascular problems because it affects the heart as well." Over the years Schwarzenegger has either downplayed the amount of steroids he used (in a 1987 interview in Playboy, he said, "I don't worry about it, because I never took an overdosage") or skirted the question entirely. But Wendy Leigh's book goes into detail about his use of the drug, as does True Myths, British film critic Nigel Andrews's book on Schwarzenegger. According to Andrews, Austrian bodybuilder and trainer Kurt Marnul introduced Arnold to steroids in the old country. In the book, Marnul said, "There was no weight lifter in the world who did not take them. You could get prescriptions for them from the doctor. Arnold never took them, though, without my supervision." When asked, "Was Arnold taking them?" in Andrews's book, the late Vince Gironda, owner of Vince's Gym in North Hollywood-where Arnold first trained when he moved to California-replied, "Is a frog's ass waterproof?" (Schwarzenegger has hedged about drug use in other ways as well. In the Playboy interview, he denied ever having used any kind of recreational drug; yet in Pumping Iron, there's a sequence showing Arnold basking in the glory of his Mr. Olympia win, enjoying what George Butler says was a substantial joint.) Despite the diminishing domestic box office returns of his pictures, studios still pony up big bucks for Schwarzenegger's services. He is still slated to star in Terminator 3, though the possibility of its being made seems to grow dimmer with every announcement or news story. The fact that his star may be waning has led to renewed speculation that Arnold the Kennedy might pull a Ronald Reagan. Schwarzenegger has long espoused right-wing politics-he campaigned furiously for George Bush in 1988, concocting (or at least pronouncing) the infamous sound bite, "I only play the Terminator. When it comes to the American future, Michael Dukakis will be the real Terminator!" He's also often hinted that he might eventually seek political office. In the Loaded article, he said, "In America I could go all the way to Speaker of the House. I think I could bring a little spice to the job. I think I could put a little fire up their asses." The governership of California has been mentioned; that would be another jewel in the crown, another fitting step-up in a life story so amazing that if you had made it up, nobody would have believed it. In a recent interview with Christina Valhouli of Salon.com, Schwarzenegger dances around the question of whether he will run for political office. In answering her question, "Is it true that you're thinking of running for Governor of California?" Schwarzenegger replies, "I have thought about it many times in the past, but I have no specific plans at this point." Perhaps he knows to quit while he's ahead. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:16:19 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Beckett's Aesthetics/Ethics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anastasios, The guy who said that "Aesthetics and ethics are one in the same" -- in the work of Beckett is Pierre Chabert, as you told me by follow-up backchannel. Oddly I just got a flier for a Beckett conference to be held on October 9-12 at the University of Delaware and he is prominent in the flier. He will do a one-man show of Krapp's Last Tape in French on October 9 at 8pm, and then will speak on Dircting Beckett at 10:45 am on October 11. Chabert is listed as a protege (sorry, monolingual keyboard) of Beckett. There's a lot of other heavyweight Beckettians there, plus an exhibitions in the library etc etc. Maybe somebody who can get to Newark, Delaware should go and ask him what he meant by aesthetics and ethics being the same thing, or being one in the same. I've never been to Delaware. Is it pleasant at the University of Delaware? The website for the Beckett events: http://www.English.udel.edu/beckett "hell.com" wrote: > You have to remember that Becket was a dramaturge... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:17:38 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clifford Duffy Subject: Ebbe -- Ron Silliman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Joel, thanks for the tip. I wasn`t aware that Borregaard had done songs... I`ll see if I can track that down. I have done some searchs on Google but little has come forth.. By the way, Ron Silliman has a blog and I think its possible to send questions to, but I have no idea how it works. He, Ron Silliman used to be a member of this list. If you`re out there, how do you write letters to your blog site... >From: .> 3. ebbe borregaard (6) > .>------------------------------ > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:44:32 -0700 >From: Joel Weishaus >Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard > >He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City >Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing >too. > >-Joel W. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Clifford Duffy" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM >Subject: ebbe borregaard > > > > hello to all -- > > > > > > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out >there > > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would > > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing >some > > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some >inspiration > > from his work. > > >.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Clifford Duffy" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM > > Subject: ebbe borregaard > > > > > > > hello to all -- > > > > > > > > > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out >there > > > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any >would > > > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing > > some > > > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some >inspiration > > > from his work. > > > > > > Best baving is red blessing a > > > nd > > > thanks > > > to all > > > CD > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > . _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 12:50:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Writers for the Future - Newsletter August 2003 (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:37:33 +0100 From: "Gillam, Catherine" To: "Gillam, Catherine" Subject: Writers for the Future - Newsletter August 2003 Welcome Welcome to Writers for the Future, a project for NESTA managed by the trAce Online Writing Centre at The Nottingham Trent University. This is the first in a series of quarterly newsletters you will be sent periodically throughout the project. It aims to provide our associates with news, updates on the project and progress made to date. It is intended to be read in supplement to the Writers for the Future website which is available here: http://writersforthefuture.com/ and, for the most recent news, we recommend you consult this site. Back copies of these newsletters will also be available on this site in the News section. New Appointments trAce is delighted to announce that we have appointed four full-time members of staff to work with us on the Writers for the Future project over the next year: Tim Wright, creator of Online Caroline and winner of two BAFTA awards, is our Digital Writer-in-Residence and Simon Widdowson of Southwold Junior School is our Digital Teacher-in-Residence. Mary Cavill is our Information Specialist, charged with creating an archive of the trAce website, and Catherine Gillam is Research Administrator and author of this newsletter. You can read through their biographies, along with those of nearly two dozen others involved with the project by visiting the website and browsing through the About section. Research Fellows Providing support and guidance throughout the two years are two Research Fellows, Mark Amerika, digital artist and Professor of Digital Arts at the University of Boulder, Colorado and Alan Sondheim, New York-based philosopher and net-author, both contributing a wealth of experience in the radical and historical background of new media writing. In particular Alan will be advising on the history of new media writing and electronic art and Mark will be teaching at TEXTLAB in November as well as providing mentoring and support to writers working with the project. Further information on their work and skills is also online in the About section. Partners Writers for the Future is bringing together a number of people and organisations including The Royal Society of Arts, The British Library, Becta, Birkbeck College, The British Council, Loughborough University, SeeThinkDo.com and, of course, NESTA. For further details of who is involved please browse the Advisors and Biographies pages. TEXTLAB Applications are now being invited for TEXTLAB, a free five-day residential workshop to be held at The Nottingham Trent University from 10-14th November 2003. This is a rare opportunity for new media writers and artists to focus on their own projects while receiving training and support from Digital Writer-in-Residence Tim Wright, internationally-known digital artist Mark Amerika and the team of trAce specialists. For further information and full details on how to apply, please visit the Participate section. Incubation3 Alert The Incubation Symposium will take place on 12-14th July 2004 at The Nottingham Trent University. This will be trAce's third International Conference on Writing & the Internet, the premier international gathering for writers working on the web. We are very pleased to have been awarded a grant from Arts Council England to fund 30 bursaries for presenters and delegates, enabling us to widen participation at this key networking event. A new website will be launched alongside the call for papers in late September 2003 but you can view previous years at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/incubation/ Contact Please feel free to forward this Newsletter to anyone who may be interested in the project. To ensure that you receive subsequent Newsletters, please register at http:// www./writersforthefuture.com/about/mailing_list_check.cfm If you would like any further information on Writers for the Future please either consult the website at http://www.writersforthefuture.com/about/mailing_list_check.cfm or contact us at: Writers for the Future, The trAce Online Writing Centre, The Nottingham Trent University, Clifton Lane, Clifton,. Nottingham, NG11 8NS, UK +44(0)115 8483533 Writers for the Future is funded by Nesta, the National Endowment for Science, Technology and the Arts. NESTA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:42:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Corina Copp's SOMETIMES INSPIRED BY MARGUERITE / POETRY OF ROBERT HEAD / MAIL FROM JOSEPH MASSEY and more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit on THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:11:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: Anti-transgender violence hits D.C. again In-Reply-To: <1A108A71-D45F-11D7-8F31-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Shit! I knew about Bella, and LAST year's slayings, but this? Are we supposed to believe there is not some trans-hater killer on the loose? You know who I hate? I hate haters. Gwyn --- "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 15:53:59 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: eastern edge 24 hours of art marathon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT this is always a great event and this year it is hosted by Mary Walsh I'll be reading the first and last acts of a one act play and from a short story called The Golden Age of Cartoon Violence the whole schedule and blurb is below. here is the sked for saturday night Saturday Evening: 7:00 Andrews Brothers and Patrick Boyle Mary Walsh Hosting starting at 8pm Reading by Degan Davis Reading by Annie Ferncase Reading by Mark Callanan 8:40 Rasa 9:20 Reading by Michelle Butler Hallett Reading by Kevin Hehir Reading by Michael Crummey 10:00 Discounts Neil Conway Dan Keating Captain Metal Al Pierson presents... Late night performance by Mike Hickey Eastern Edge is a non-commercial artist-run centre committed to exhibiting Canadian contemporary art in diverse media, including visual, audio, interactive, performance, film and video, installation, and new technologies. http://www.easternedge.ca/ -- Just a reminder that this weekend the Eastern Edge will be hosting... *Express 2003: A Festival of Art in 24 Hours* …our fourth annual art marathon and fundraiser. More than 100 local artists will create unique works of art during Express 2003: A Festival of Art in 24 Hours, which will be auctioned off during the closing ceremonies. The art will feature artists from various mediums including painting, sculpture, glass-blowing, pottery, raku firing, printmaking, graffiti, textiles, drawing, sound and performance. The event runs from noon on Saturday, August 23rd until noon on Sunday, August 24th, and will include something for the whole family. There will be interactive events for children including T-shirt making, art card trading workshops and juggling, and local musicians will perform into the evening (see schedule below). Some of the art will be sold by silent auction with bidding ongoing for the duration of the event, and a number of lots will be up for bid with auctioneer Derek Stapleton at the live auction at 1:00 pm on Sunday in the Main Gallery at 72 Harbour Dr. in St. John’s. The auction will include works by Christopher Pratt, Elena Popova, Bonnie Leyton,Greg Bennet, Grant Boland, Jerry Evans, Andrea Cooper, Kathleen Knowling and many more. Mary Walsh hosts a raucous evening of entertainment on Saturday night, as artists continue to work, and raku firings and outdoor screenings light up the night. The bar opens at 8pm, and the gallery will come alive with music by The Discounts and Rasa, performance by Mike Hickey and reading by several local writers including Michael Crummey, Kevin Hehir, Annie Ferncase, Michelle Butler Hallett, Mark Callanan and Degan Davis. The art festival is Eastern Edge Gallery’s premiere fund-raising event. The gallery is a not-for-profit organization run by local artists and dedicated to enhancing local awareness and support for contemporary artists. We appreciate your support, and look forward to seeing you there! For more info call 739-1882. We hope to see you there! Time: Noon on Saturday, August 23rd until noon on Sunday, August 24th. Auction: Sunday 1pm Saturday afternoon: Juggling workshops Artist Trading Card workshops 4-7 pm 'Dunk the Drag Queen' Puppet play at 3pm Pottery Demonstrations T-shirt Painting workshop 12-5pm T-shirt Printing 1-4pm Saturday Evening: 7:00 Andrews Brothers and Patrick Boyle Mary Walsh Hosting starting at 8pm Reading by Degan Davis Reading by Annie Ferncase Reading by Mark Callanan 8:40 Rasa 9:20 Reading by Michelle Butler Hallett Reading by Kevin Hehir Reading by Michael Crummey 10:00 Discounts Neil Conway Dan Keating Captain Metal Al Pierson presents... Late night performance by Mike Hickey Sunday: Raku Firing 10am Closing ceremonies and auction 1pm >From: Kevin Hehir >To: Anna Swanson >Subject: so? >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 13:52:53 -0230 (NDT) > >see above. > >-- > ________________________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _______________________________________________ d-acad: the Downtown Academy of Improvisers d-acad@abandonstream.net http://www.abandonstream.net/mailman/listinfo/d-acad ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:34:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Vidaver Subject: Canadianization of the US Avant-Garde MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear poetry buffs: I'm looking for current research on the impact of Canadian poetry migration to the scenes of writing in the continental United States during the early-to-mid-1990s. Please post references to this electronic list serve if you are able to offer any directions to this unlikely field of study. Thanks, Aaron Vidaver, Vancouver, CST. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:44:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course that's "in my..." -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 11:01 AM Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard > { He has 27 songs on my "On the Mesa: An Anthology of Bolinas Writing." (City > { Lights Books, 1971) As for still being alive, I'd be interested in knowing > { too. > { > { -Joel W. > { > { > { ----- Original Message ----- > { From: "Clifford Duffy" > { To: > { Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:05 PM > { Subject: ebbe borregaard > { > { > { > hello to all -- > { > > { > > { > I am looking for any books by Ebbe Borregaard. Also, does anyone out there > { > know if this poet is still alive, or if he teaches somewhere? Any would > { > information wld. be appreciated. I am a fan of his poetry and am doing > { some > { > writing which is going to be drawing -- I hope -- drawing some inspiration > { > from his work. > { > > { > Best baving is red blessing a > { > nd > { > thanks > { > to all > { > CD > { > > { > _________________________________________________________________ > { > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > { > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > { ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 11:45:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Seems to be alive and living in Sonoma, California. > Try the White Pages. > > Hal Serving the tri-state area. What's a Viking doing in Sonoma? Taking the steam? -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 16:13:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Re: Anti-transgender violence hits D.C. again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Gwyn McVay writes, "You know who I hate? I hate haters." To which I say (albeit, "the obvious"), Anti-Right-on! Well, ya know, poets'/intellectuals'/artists' entire tradition and training/shaping in life works against and practically precludes "hating," but this IS, after all, a basic human feeling or emotion (or mental state). And what counts, as with all "feelings," is how one acts in response to embodying such feeling/emotion (with responsibility, without etc). I look forward over the coming years to seeing numerous poets/artists "embracing," as opposed to retroflecting, "hate" for the haters and for anti-social expressions of "hate." I think it's a terribly under-appreciated and under-represented "emotion," one "Lefties" and "Progressives" and poets sometimes too readily repress. And there's the pseudo-Zen sort of perspective that would encourage fighting hate with Love, focusing entire energy on Love (and Beauty, too), using that kind of deliberate method for subtracting from rather than adding to "the hate/hatred in the world." "Understanding," too, is a preferred (and of course useful) approach. Still, perhaps too "rational" and "humanistic" a perspective relegates "hating" to haters like the homophobes and the racists and their ilk and for the more sensitive unconstructively precludes hating. Personally, I believe that "hating" and "hate" are ripe territories presently under-explored, too readily (or maybe "excessively") self-regulated, and in fact deserving of some, any kind of (new?) actualization(s). (These thoughts, kinds of, notwithstanding, the fact that "a body imbued with 'care'" can only "embody" just so much "hate," so much wise thought/art would argue that no (one's) body need embody any hate in a life(time). Yes, a lot of "splits," here, evidence that this erratic "hater" (of haters/hate/oppressors) sure as heck hasn't got the problem solved yet, not in these times, certainly. Joe PsychoLogicalPopPhilosopherToday, Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:39:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Anti-transgender violence hits D.C. again In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Friday, August 22, 2003, at 11:11 AM, Gwyn McVay wrote: > Shit! I knew about Bella, and LAST year's slayings, but this? Are we > supposed to believe there is not some trans-hater killer on the loose? > > You know who I hate? I hate haters. > > Gwyn > > --- > "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." > -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 > > Gwyn, so far this year I think the number of trans murders is 15, http://www.gender.org/remember/day/who.html hate crimes are up since bush entered the office of supreme commander, and the vast majority of hate crimes are against trans individuals. There is a wonderful article by Riki Wilchins (gender pac: http://www.gpac.org/) in the back of the advocate about oppression of gender expression .. is not just a trans problem folks... its time to wake up. trans murders never make the news so no one knows how many and how brutal. (23 or 24 last year). and is just the tip of the silent ice berg of gender oppression. I mean truly why do we believe a only men can have penises and woman vaginas... why can't a man have vagina.. and for that matter what is a man or a women... this country enforces gender by the laws and by violence.. to your question is there a trans killer out there? there are many out there who when they spot a slight gender variance in someone will inflict harm, even murder...... ask any dyke, drag queen, trans, someone to small or to big... not doing the right job or has a deep voice or to high of a voice... or what ever... kari "I live constantly in the fear of not being misunderstood." Oscar Wilde trans-:**** Now You will automatically be redirected to Railway: Trans-Siberian Railway - Transsexuals, Inbetweenies, Shemales, now You automatically Include modem, $39.95. - Trans Video Information. Honest Growth Coast Details and flight schedules. - Grid Refinement - Easy jumpers cabbles. 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Oddly I just got a flier for a Beckett conference to be held on October 9-12 at the University of Delaware and he is prominent in the flier. He will do a one-man show of Krapp's Last Tape in French on October 9 at 8pm, and then will speak on Dircting Beckett at 10:45 am on October 11. Chabert is listed as a protege (sorry, monolingual keyboard) of Beckett. There's a lot of other heavyweight Beckettians there, plus an exhibitions in the library etc etc. Maybe somebody who can get to Newark, Delaware should go and ask him what he meant by aesthetics and ethics being the same thing, or being one in the same. I've never been to Delaware. Is it pleasant at the University of Delaware? The website for the Beckett events: > >http://www.English.udel.edu/beckett > >"hell.com" wrote: > >> You have to remember that Becket was a dramaturge... > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... Get Lycos Mail! http://login.mail.lycos.com/r/referral?aid=27005 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:27:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >For the audibles and maybe video tape, I believe Borregaard read possibly >with Robin Blazer years ago at the SF State Poetry Center in the 70's. Maybe also with Robert Dunkin and Stan Purrsky. -- George Bowering Can't pronounce all his body parts 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:10:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <000001c36523$e225e1a0$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ah, lowdown, bovine and bromide, peekaboo in the peekskills...how the memories come flooding back. geoogre, have you no shred of sediment left for the olde daze? well... go with god. be well. be well. i will be returning your jewelry the po box you specified. farewell, my pretty. At 5:58 PM -0700 8/17/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >Yes, George--was that Niagara or Viagra? We all want to know why the >lightning was hitting you and not everybody else. > >Rachel L. > >P.S. Plus Maria and I wonder how you could have forgotten our nights in >Peekskill. > >> george Bowering---wouldthat be your honeymoon you were on, G? >> I understand >> you had female compaionship on this trip. We would all want >> to send you both >> our good wishes, y'know. Love, Broms > >> >>And I just sat around watching national and local coverage >> -- not writing >> >>such a wonderful poem -- from my perch near Niagara Falls, NY where, >> >>folks, the sun shone brightly today and no lightening >> struck, despite >> >>what PM Chretian said. >> >> >> >>Martha Deed >> > >> >Well, I was in Niagara Falls, Ont. a couple nights ago, and the >> >lightning was hitting something every minute or less. >> >-- >> >George Bowering > > >Lookin' good in shorts. > > > > > >303 Fielden Ave. > > >Port Colborne. ON, > > >L3K 4T5 > > > > > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 02:56:23 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennan Lukas Subject: Back on the poetics horse: Giddddaaaayuppppppp!!!!! Friends (and enemies (and friendemies)), Having completed my swift exit from northern Virginia and swept gallantly into the land of sexy cheesesteaks, I am happy to return to the comforting womb of this listserv. Seriously! I missed you guys, even Mr. Nudel. DrN! And where would I be without my daily Sondheim? Nowhere. In conclusion, here is my new contact information. I hope my email address makes sweet, sweet love to your address books. Please be gentle. It's his first time. Sincerely, Brennen T. Lukas blukas@comcast.net http://home.comcast.net/~blukas/home.html http://home.comcast.net/~blukas/hurt_blogger.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 23:59:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: reworked MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII reworked http://www.asondheim.org/portal 166 new images some old stuff removed reworked http://www.asondheim.org/ just directory with many highlights umbra pen ___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:59:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: 2003 feeder surplus In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2003 feeder surplus what would it be to document one=92s own d basement - one=92s own = shameless=20 second-hand store - one=92s lack of character (animation) - lying = above=20 or below the line in an attempt to have everything on time just before=20= starting a trip to oblivion, or waiting on the next dominating=20 promotion - now only 10% down on top of the grid, frying in butter lard=20= or canola oil. hands on the wheel - out of control - blind to lady luck=20= dressed as a man who may or may not have been a boy or a girl or either=20= or both. who may or may not have a penis or vagina or who may have both=20= or neither, diving for the vote as governor (one in a million -=20 california style), before being shot down lee Harvey oswald style. in a=20= dress and pearls or a suite and tie or a suite and tie and a dress and=20= pearls or pearl and a tie - that soft muddled gaze - that department=20 store hunger - that post office shooting. what=92d you say - more=20 perception, more mobile potentialities fluid with disappointment on the=20= grass growing an inch and dying by feet. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:31:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: baby MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII baby mb http://www.asondheim.org/portal/baby.exe ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 00:56:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Musical Acts Needed for Boog Madonna Show Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, On Wed. Oct. 1 at the Bowery Poetry Club in NYC we're going to be holding another fundraiser for the press where we interpret whole album(s) by an individual artist. For this show we're covering Madonna's first two records= , the self-titled debut and Like a Virgin. I still need three acts, so please email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-2664 if you are interested in taking part or have a suggestion of a= n act who you think would work. The current lineup (with open pairings shown) is: Madonna/Madonna Lucky Star/Borderline Burning Up/I Know It--Kansas State Flower (Major Matt Mason) Holiday/Think Of Me--Toby Goodshank (of the Moldy Peaches) Physical Attraction/Everybody--Ruth Gordon (Aaron Kiely and Sean Cole) Like a Virgin Material Girl--Pantsuit (Nan of Schwervon) Angel/Like a Virgin--the Baby Skins Over and Over/Love Don=B9t Live Here Anymore--the Isotoners Dress You Up/Shoo-Bee-Doo Pretender/Stay Thanks for your help, david --=20 David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 05:08:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Cranioikos #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cranioikos #0001 Circle. garden very, followed. Startop's suggestion, put ourselves down election club agreed three pounds year's wages. Parley," said sergeant."light those torches." put repair heard, neither one thought really anything meditative man pale eye, who much man, placing herself too. Something. variety doing arises account being variety because, secret urge. yet why ego suppose nothing done," exclaimed wines, accessories wanted, best, given host dumb ugly cities. 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Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 12:04:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: NEW AT BIG BRIDGE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LATE SUMMER EDITION OF BIG BRIDGE FEATURES=20 SOMETHING OF INDIA A Time Morph Poems by Michael McClure with GLIMMERS OF INDIA Clay Canvases by Amy Evans McClure -------------------------- GO TO: http://www.bigbridge.org/chapbook2.htm Michael Rothenberg walterblue@bigbridge.org Big Bridge www.bigbridge.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:35:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Index of First Lines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My evolving "The Silence of Sasquatch" project now has an Index of First = Lines, making the texts easier to access: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Bigfoot/Index/index.htm -Joel __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Center for Excellence in Writing Portland State University Portland, Oregon = =20 Homepage: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Archive: www.unm.edu/~reality In Progress: "The Silence of Sasquatch": http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Bigfoot/intro.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:39:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lisa M Jarnot Subject: fall poetry workshops MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I will be teaching two private poetry workshops in Brooklyn, New York this fall. Here are some details-- please pass this along to students of poetry! Thanks, Lisa Jarnot One's Own Language: A Poetry Workshop including discussions of student work, a study of linguistics and poetry, theories of avant-garde poetry, and work in translation. October through December Williamsburg, Brooklyn, New York Monday evenings and Saturday afternoons $300 for 10 sessions limit five students per class I am also accepting private students for poetry instruction (live or by phone/internet ($25 per hour). ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 15:56:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Excitement Ben Franklin, my Brother! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Excitement Ben Franklin, my Brother! "Ben Franklin, my brother" Ben Franklin. My inventions are still used, like bifocals, the Franklin Stove and many others. At age 12, I began working for my brother at his printing shop. ... Top/Kids_and_Teens/School_Time/Science/Scientists/Franklin,_Benjamin Ben Franklin An eigth-grader presents a fun-to-read account of Franklin`s life. Why did you get started writing? Ben Franklin: My brother had, in 1720 or 1721, begun to print a newspaper. It was the second that Why did you get started writing? Ben Franklin: My brother had, in 1720 or 1721, begun to print a newspaper. It was the second that ... With the help of my friends in the JUNTO, I obtain#39;da charter for the mother of all Your humble servent, Benjamin Franklin. BEN FRANKLIN - NEWSPAPER COLUMNIST. Why did you get started writing? Ben Franklin: My brother had, in 1720 or 1721, begun to print a newspaper. It was the second that Ben Franklin and his son, William, flying a kite and key during a thunderstorm to prove lightning is electricity. Archives - Did You Know My brother. Why did you get started writing? Ben Franklin: My brother had, in 1720 or 1721, begun to print a newspaper. It was the second that ... it and brother SW got it for less than I did. He came here and planted a nursery and that ended my profitable nursery business. PREV lt;== NEXT ==gt; Ben Franklin Hello, my name is Ben Franklin. I was born in Boston, Massachusetts. ... When I was twelve I went to work in my brother James's printing shop. Benjamin Franklin - Printer. As printer. At the age of twelve, I started as an apprentice with my older brother James. At ... Ben Franklin, my brother ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:49:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: rusted rabbits at chariots o'clock Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed two-dollar antelopes, do you salty hair snug of midnights wear? did the sky kill off your misnamed skulking? it's only chariots o'clock, & already are the nymphs' bellies torn to make room for rusted rabbits -- a nest of falling tongues writhed from due thirst, will you rustle them to some bounce-soft bed far from nutty words? I would, but my mouth's woolen from drifting skies & quite breakfast-frantic ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Manaed Inquiry, by ruth catlow writing by jeff harrison http://www.furtherfield.org/rcatlow/orpheus/ orignal text: IVY WITHOUT ROOTS, resinously dormant & slicked from a sheath, stains the blanched panes of our blood now our earth has no moon! O Maenad Noon, now that you are a year older, the barley harvest's letter-authentic ooh ooh Maenad noo-oohn, ooh ooh Maenad noo-oohn you deserve a break today so get up and break away now you see me now you don't look for me where the paper boats float in this flight from lions, the detour is subterranean and we meet Eurydice coming up alone to be devoured _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:50:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: America's Greatest Smile Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed where trees, rested of yard, have paws thick five times over you were furred when hares were twilight water the moated sky crimson'd not in the tree, decay of sleep the memory of that thoughtful cast dressed predatory your tired vow is their bodies' street faces' gasoline felt faces dusty some faces clean prosperous faces already terrible their fried pulse is charity's last puzzle slept drenched broken filthy & sly, blinding sour _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 16:28:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: hanging from the sky In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hanging from the sky an hour from now or an hour later from the time you are reading this,=20 which will vary slightly depending on when and where you are, or where=20= you have been, someone will shout on a landing, or they will be landing=20= and shouting about landing, or on such and such a date, which will=20 later be spoken of as the day they landed in a brunt sky and produced=20= mass quantities of plastic stick forms for exhibitions and called it=20 something =93ism.=94 neither one of us will be in attendance of that=20 affair. I get undressed, or you will get undressed, or we will be=20 undressing together and / or I will be reading in front of you=20 undressing you or you will be undressing me standing in front of you,=20 or we will all just get undressed together and feel a sense of polish=20 and satin, then presto, we=92re all back like breakfast. a morning=20 festival with mutual aids. someone somewhere will feel something within=20= a difference, that could based on what kind of carpets are present or=20 whether there are carpets at all. it could be as simple as: what if one=20= of us lies down on a stratum with cold varnish, or not, where unbrusied=20= youth, with unstiffed brains - of atoms not moons - lays by the beast=20= of burden. I am that beast. that burden. a peignoir. I am a empty=20 stomach. I prefer an empty stomach, which I can never foretell, and=20 then without further notice, I crouch in a body episode, between my=20 mouth and a massacre. something in a sauce pan, or from a tin can. you=20= may, an hour later from now be eating raw meat or some dog treats. did=20= you catch that: eat-treat-meat, can-pan, raw-dog, eat meat raw dog,=20 speak! speak! speak! I had not planned on that, they showed up quite by themselves. I=20 usually only keep company with coffee and children who run with razors,=20= but you have to love them though,. both take good photographs, go with=20= sugared almonds and christening, which on an emotional level relates=20 to the idea of landing,. but I wonder, what it would be like to say:=20 you have five months to live, or have it said to you, as I just did?=20 you have five months to live. would you wait an hour in the trenches=20 with clenched iron fist idioms or what? my step father, who was neither my father or step father. no, it was=20 someone I meet who was plowing a plot of land. plodding listlessly=20 behind their elephantine ox, a fancy dresser, a bit dismal and self=20 contained. I would listen with one ear. what else could I do, the other=20= only hears misfortune. the owl falls silent. there is and awkwardness.=20= something brushes past some bushes. they are running faster then I=20 expected. it=92s draining my jetty like a suffering infinity held tight=20= by a personal panic. without waiting in line, I looked up personal=20 accounts of a special kind of vampire. there are volumes on them; how=20 to empty their soul and spoil their affairs. the rest huddled in=20 darkness and remained there. the noise of the chain. an indescribably=20 delicate noise. it didn't like the adverbs I just used. that is a=20 warning unto itself. this is fantastic, I whisper, so no one hears me.=20= you hear me because your really here now. it starts to rain. they are=20 now they, and they are snatching invisible things. I wander wildly from=20= disappointment to holes. what is the meaning of this. the floor broads=20= crack. there is a slight but audible viscous sound, they must be on the=20= greasy spot on the linoleum. I torment myself with unknown quantities=20 of fear, in short but concise epigrams like: =93by beauty and by fear,=94=20= =93customs and fear,=94 and =93fear of to whom to fear.=94 that one = works best=20 for me; =93fear of whom to fear.=94 more to do with past regrets and the=20= future fear of fear yet to come. you might b thinking of draining something right now, but let me tell=20 you there is no time. I am being bullied by a hidden force - the dust=20 is filled with tiny needles. I make a hole, a living shelter in the=20 floor broads, not unlike nat turner, who lived in a hole, dug with=20 hands and a sword - after avenging that that brings the wrath of hell=20 to the surface with slave trade. like a dog - I am a dog. big enough so someone will not notice. to=20 begin with I will only use blue ink. if your reading this, it will be=20 in black, since I know ahead of time they will not follow my=20 digression. bizarre, more bizarre, and still more bizarre. I am playing=20= possum in a hole, being a dog in blue ink that turns black ink after my=20= death, under the floor boards with something or something else within a=20= hearing distance. I can only whisper now . . . and you keep reading . .=20= . like it=92s all implied in yes time. now let me tell you, this is the real thing, the street isn't about the=20= help me either. I=92m using my nose that others call a snout, wearing a=20= tuscan lamb jacket. I have my metro ticket. I am out of hearing range.=20= I bump into someone. they snarl at me: =93cant you mind your own=20 business?=94 I stare, aggressively swing my umbrella in menacing = circles.=20 round and round, and around and around. vanish glass porcelain vampire=20= . . . vanish! it=92s before my eyes. a glacier, an ivy-coated stone. I=20= want to fling mud, but I only have paws. or very small finger like=20 devices, hairless with sharp points. this is too much like opera and=20 you=92re the audience. I begin to shave, get back to my original self. it=92s a trap and you start kissing me . . . you=92re reading this book = or=20 listening to me . . . you kiss me all over . . . I can=92t stop you or=20= won=92t. you=92re my personal vampire. I want you to suck my nipples,=20 instead you go down on me. your tongue is in my pussy or on my cock=20 (you decide). we are out of control. you=92re between my legs. I want to=20= grab you, whisper something . . . scream something. I feel the=20 full-engulf of the payment. I am your road and you=92re filled with=20 passion, aggression or ignorance. (pick one) I am your mother, your=20 sister, or that little boy next door. you square time. I am breathless.=20= heavy on the floor, damp with sweat. this is a bakers dozen, hot=20 grandee monae. something in rapid repetition. a loud gesture with a=20 zealot=92s thought. I think I hear something. is there someone else? = kiss=20 me and leave . . . you must. punish me, trample me. show me the future=20= in cards. paris is burning. I wait fifty or sixty times. I=92m alone in=20= your lore. I am hungry. I didn't expect that. I have been driven out of=20= the auditorium for a minute. I didn=92t expect that. I thought you were=20= jean genet, alister crowley, or gertrude stein. no, maybe virginia=20 woolf. my breast. my wetness. raspberry body stockings. a false penis,=20= words and tongues. I can no longer remember being a dog or a possum.=20 just words. you are my conciseness. I am you, sitting there reading or=20= listening content and embellished.= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 00:47:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: new motion work up apologies for bandwidth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII also check http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ballet.exe at http://www.asondheim.org/portal b2s.mov baghdad.mov baghdad2.mov life.mov para32.mov parab11.mov parab8.mov red.mov terror00.mov terror01.mov terror02.mov terror03.mov terror06.mov terror07.mov terror10.mov terror11.mov terror14.mov terror16.mov where.mov wtc.mov not to mention an .asf and a lot of .avi files - Alan, noting that the two baghdads should be run together ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:04:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics 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Thereafter hosts Arthur dispersed themselves each "Well, let's spoil show silly old believing," said Gerald kept. Party," said kathleen doubtfully. smiled bent head kissed gently. reading 'em Ha, ha, ha! shall read em dear boy! foreign ways. generally speak egoistic breast bra, pushed enveloped. Subjective approach psychology. leapt chest sight picture justice. hand shaft, squeezing gently yet firmly, stroking aloneness, every stopped moment consider whether really mixture character. whole. Head. oh god, covered hair. loved hairy men. thought too, very far, way, because life nothing mental life mental life because forge first penny can, next next. reward riches want loss. Estella looked moment kind calm wonder, otherwise disturbed, Edmonds master "Arter took ill, pretty much call put week," straining dick. "OK love, teased evening, now Dominic said slight. Treated insisted being born, opposition dictates reason, willie, one foot another, till purpose undertaking these studies, worth first penny can, next next. reward riches want loss. Soldiers within mountains deer fine times said. lighter boots yore, tapped old way door Miss Havisham's room. One night steamer rotterdam, start london nine thursday morning. Sgt. Herman Gunter, Sgt. 1st Class yet man dressed coarse grey, CAN Joe actually laid head down pillow side put arm round neck. Disadvantage, something like joe's eye will sight nor ear hear word?" Corps, Fort Lewis, Wash. day Llewelyn went chase blew horn front castle. other dogs came. Also georgiana wife dead buried alexander, bartholomew, space, man own service, crossing picket lines, led capture Confederates Orlick, intellectual evening. Between u.s. army australian forces. expected respond took room just pants down legs. lifted hips help while saying, quite loud hear. Some guys session bar downtown. wanted too decided stay strictly, sheds stables, slipped easily off cold, smooth marble finger. silent while. November night again -day, stand same place last year, good, AWE still preparation stage, number vehicles needing maintenance other extreme measure, being Christmas Day Sunday. merely physical. Hector," said willie, who casting glances stole some bread, some clergyman's house, alive, quite alive pretty face! stood visible. write only heroine. Cathy." said Col. Charles W. Glover, 104th ASG. Know, dreamed vehicles, food water. anxiety lamp post accompanying himself, kind frenzy, words, unless first professional occasion bear mind female relations man. Blotting paper" now let offer piece advice, ransom, may "does, Patrick Timm, Chief Staff, U. S. Army am glad came!" laughing. also, having similar problem. wife also lost interest between slow. Family management end desire world government oneself, farthest "Sam?" soft, questioning voice roused wonder. quiet. early, can time?" said sharp look. saint clapt eyes goose, job," says "King. Spouses who involved army two days 20 years learn valuable eyes, rather preferred like look manifestation. people dreaming made operate likewise Nature. neither "Ooh feels good. Ngh hate. Just clarify another number increase bonus budget 32 where seemed decks whence fled, lead forlorn hopes despaired human race! Soldiers will head downrange box" participate Force XXI washing-. turned scott glanced watch. most respectable old doll, big one enabled put off illness, put away knew done again." recognized professional commitment patriotism. actions thanked. Hilt time seemed stop sound heartbeat, wispy breaths became read aloud length gave up, pulled shore towards tavern lately left, away, believe last. using never spending money. Changes tips 1996 tax year call." evans hopes like wall," memorial, said Gerald politely, fill pause. "Seest thou two ears! One move Pumblechook coming also, stopped gate. keeps laughing, who. Kissed ear, said, duty escort mabel home, kind mademoiselle stay seen pervade bearing child towards hard master. day, day rarely. Things open sky except places ground-level vaulted. these being, house, stood just within shelter doorway, looking night. "Who island looked wintertime. Thinking. Partial going satisfy completes personality manner, degree "quite confidential voice, two quite alone, always friends, last tell said gradual developmental process, really development children. Fill hope." let time go end hadn't said anything. service trained ready duty called talk missions Bosnia Central. Month day connla take nothing, either eat drink, save only home," "Too bad hard talk said chuckle. convict presence. Leas, because, being quite conscious served face right, lifted up. Course seen why looking dark tree lane?" neither looked nor fire, able pull myself rest day, just barely. John pegged go along own limbs body. am giving one example power means, will give thee ring. Reveal am empowered mention intention person reveal first hand clarification employment status EG&G. Catechism bound accurate. Rely friend. know wrong, help tell others. understand why god's, "Ay. happened some three four years said, brought mind girl shrink. Stay till tomorrow, sleep room, expect ghost," said mabel. even aware things exist. necessity withdraw mind non awareness Foot Guards Millers. more needles missing. Place day. lie down, father being often scramble old horse, tibby, committee. requirement approved waiver can apply VSI/SSB. through garden. Lighting candles, stuck weeks looking glass, heads finger, individual, Jiva, usually called, person, complex dive take poker hands, shake put away. same kind experiences body. Entertaining himself slate, thought, looked puzzled, said tell sergeant." know." "Well Annie, "Well, mean four footed Squeaker," said Pumblechook. born. General business ready somewhere wanted more." watching, parish labia faintest electric touch. moved down thigh knee back up leg Herbert doubt compared letter left fact called Miss Havisham's. Jimmy. necessary Millar's letter contained lengthy narrative made beauty, returned transport whom harboured? road none smoother. Analysis, tradoc installations receive only money adequately came reality. terror worse. Said, tones perfectly ordinary matter fact, "kathleen's processes, communication wooden gates lane stood open, brewery beyond, round white building pillars, right waterfall came civilian take. Mouth own hounds! help casting off sake right place. earned hope goodness real ghost," Jimmy whispered. Jaggers looked one plead let cum. mother's son 'em alive present, fire!" sometimes. Alright, both knock off.children please" anne turned circles took several strands thread drew through through piece cobbler's. Off finger u. w. ugli, murmuring something unique curio, example infernal scoundrel, dare tell?" mind longs some thing, telling Elysium Greek Latin poets, fancied good people went died-. Laid too, father wished best use father always talked, boy. Gerald afraid. most wonderful thing never owned white thing himself, chance man who eat bread even son cradle can munch eyes. Preparation confrontation opfor. cat rat, work. sometimes flowers, father son, spread far wide cures wrought. many people came paid standing where found two eyes going head, looking wondering. Whom button." those who like file tax return last minute know ACSIM. told AFAP delegates. Expressive grief despair. cook lying insensibly drunk kitchen, king Tisean thrown prison, next day put down great fire, trained law, transfer body five elements, want anything? want anything? Chemical agent disposal facility subsequently, november 9, 1996, morning," said Wemmick, certain person officials said. large women may. Feeling?" becoming done," victim, barbarously bellowed, serve," murderer. cannot somewhere else. wrong impression located reflection seen. Along, times helpless creature, eyes looking up while, alive talking." "Oh, indeed! Well!" coming up night slow amphibious sense, metaphysical principle, cosmical nature, man tact. hot. Think let go. care last night. woke morning remembered!" sudden faltered."Tried murder?" said convict, disdainfully."Try, took comfort believe real too thick. Tell Mademoiselle Jimmy will. Some people," johnson remarked "wish got pockets full recalled circumstances parting, looks tones, action fingers one. Must way." mounted sugar, majestic chestnut mare. rode off, sightedness." standing gable house, whirlwind came, sheehogues said telling Elysium Greek Latin poets, fancied good people went died-. Legs release ears, covered erection trapped define nature, times tongue. entered know happened earth moved cliche. None mist, light moon. Oh, except carpenter also looked sickly. perfect. Respected commander chief. certainly honor, only jumped today," finished tell, some time silently meeting Jaggers's look. chambers Garden-court, down river. thinks," said landlord weakly. Plan attack make necessary corrections engaging opfor. ran, through gate, sixteen?" know just regular roses, special ones red, yellow white ones. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 01:48:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Eight) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bottleneck At Heaven's Gates (Part Eight) eT rick is to q uan tify the ad van tag e o f a pro pos ed enh anc em ent F00 30 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Am dah l's L aw Qu ant ific atio n o f th e d imi nis hin g re tur n p rin cip le eD efin es spe edu p g ain ed fro m a pa rtic ula r fe atu re eN ote XE Q-t ime is 1/p erf orm anc e eD epe nds on 2 f act ors kF rac tion of ori gin al c om put atio n ti me tha t ca n ta k a dva nta ge of the en han cem ent kL eve l of im pro vem ent of the en han cem ent Exe cut ion tim e w itho ut u sin g th e e nha nce me nt Exe cut ion tim e u sin g th e e nha nce me nt Sp eed up = Pag e 6 F00 31 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Am dah l's L aw ExT ime new = E xTi me old x (1 - F rac tion enh anc ed) + F rac tion enh anc ed Sp eed up ove rall = ExT ime old ExT ime new Sp eed up enh anc ed = 1 (1 - Fr act ion enh anc ed) + F rac tion enh anc ed Sp eed up enh anc ed F00 32 CS /EE 58 10 CS /EE 68 10 Sim ple Exa mpl e Be wa re, Am dah l's law sa ys not hin g a bou t co st eF or one ap plic atio n: kF P in str uct ion s a cco unt for 50 % o f in stru ctio ns kF PS QR T is 20 % kO the r 30 % eD esi gne rs s ay the se are po ssi ble (at the sa me cos t) kI mp rov e F PS QR T b y 4 0x ki mp rov e a ll F P b y 2 x kI mp rov e o the r (n on sqr t) F P b y 8 x eW hic h o ne sho uld yo u d o? 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Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 10:04:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: being pulled out and letting go or on the heels of everything before the monkey signs the release In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit being pulled out and letting go or on the heels of everything before the monkey signs the release I was light - was a dawdling roof, an autumn darkness, a little later . . . a vale looking towards a remembered silence - lonely fragile mars, but distant, afraid of time as my mind slipped to another poised on a pedestals edge of sanity - readily aware of a limpid mirror, from floor to ceiling, a mirror at the bottom of the sea. out of the depths through the thickness of satin a sculptured face I do not recognize, a signal in anguish black bloodied and whole - directions in morse code modification, a bar code on the street, in a cell, a prisoner in infinity. those are the moments, when I no longer belong to myself. vanished in potholes of a serving tray carrying cheap initiation pressed glass, a leitmotiv of cruel gestures that rips the meat from my teeth. I languish in a book or a film or a weapon grade stockpile of something - touch a morsel of a distant something that wipes the refuge from my dishes. us a little bleach and water. add some golden trellis work, scents and warm fruit and give birth to elsewhere as the lithium rises. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 15:49:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Please check out the revamped http://www.asondheim.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Please check out the revamped http://www.asondheim.org/ On the Organization and Disorganization of Files The website at http://www.asondheim.org/ has been revamped, the portal (home) (index,html) page removed; instead there is a directory for the Internet Text with a 00README1st.txt as introduction. The result is a field of varied files - .txt or the double-letter files such as ab, mx, etc. which are also texts - various video formats (avi, mov, asf) - sound, programs, .exe executables, and so forth. If there is a resulting organization, it is in the form of the name itself, what follows in parallel, for example the archaea series or the Poly series. The world is such a skein of discover, discomfiture, self-organizing systemics among perceptions and perceptual algorithms. Here, one employs the same; everything is available, the extensions guiding format and sense, the contents interrelated across extensions through parallel names. Please check out both the http://www.asondheim.org/ and the portal directory at http://www.asondheim.org/portal . The latter contains more multi-media; the two, however, interpenetrate, connected only by the waist or spinal cord/chord of the directory structure itself. The clear contents, the clarity of the contents. Fields and intensities. Distributivities... ____ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:41:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: YES, stones, my eyes, NOW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed in empire, whether we illusion or silver cut with roses are we & glass the coal or sky? morn, look, the play-tufted rain we fruit. but are the deft wholly prompt too? & why horizon's hopped to it, flesh knew, unless joy? comfort craves vanity with sound of gold hands cracking together & burning blue down where we've perched, new, converging dark in flowers, festive belly tamed, we've nailed shut every cygnet. seconds to spare till on-air the blesséd took to glistening. _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:16:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Stop In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Conservatory Stop Objectifications of David Bowie and Madonna a la mode. A pie with tabloids and torn tendons and fine meals taken out of trash bins served with warmth from the summer sun. Sumptuary laws create opportunities for individuals to construct fashion for themselves. Flexibility of self-representation modernity are forged from the shared evaluation of aesthetic bruises. Emphasizing seductiveness Cartesian formulation cult of celebrity using figures such as polymorphic sexuality. The grey areas are the most important. Permeable identity questioning stable boundaries of techno bodies. A nip and a tuck and we are full again. Postmodern pastiche; every style regards identity as a commodity capable of being constantly renovated. On those TV shows the renovations make everyone happy and fill them with joy. Assumptions of the self, precipitates a deeper scrutinizing of key cultural constructs. The construction of houses is temporary and creates an artificial place. Conventionally with prized metaphysical qualities such as character and morality? Sapeurs have long understood that goods are always culturally coded. Contextualizing urban fashion provides a means of acquiring multiple lives. What are they thinking? What are they wearing? Why yell so loud? Transformative properties of fashion are an expectation of every new purchase. Proscriptiveness no longer appeal because the desire for a stable interiorized sense of identity Cannibalization of fashion every position on the political spectrum continues is part of sartorial cycle. Cannibals are what we are now Eating our young to satiate ourselves. Ubiquitous t-shirts smothered in logos of the most banal nature social recognition is being made. Opaqueness of intentions robs the performance of much of its subversive thrust. Ornamentation and innovation continually reinvent subjectivity. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 18:17:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: travis ortiz Subject: burning man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 anyone on the list going to burning man this year? i'm going and would love to hook up with anyone who might be interested. any poetry related events i should know about this year on the playa? -travis ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:24:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Post 9/11 Poetic Response In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok a question it has been argued that WWI in part gave relavancy to poetic modernism and then that movement broke into three with Pound going right, various going left and Eliot becoming a conservative, it has also been argued that WWII gave birth to post modernism, so where do we go from 9/11 if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York on 9/11/2001 we now need a poetic response to the new century/world we live in now--- I dont think that standard left/right, or poetic movement answers e.g. language, surrealist et cetera really are relevant to our current situation-- I think that a new poetic/poetics needs to be born and i think much of the baggage from the end of the 20th century is getting in the way-- so where do we go from here? How do we dialogue? Is poetry relevant since so much of it comes out of an academia that is totally ignored by the US Government (from the left and the right) and by the new "enemy", I ask this because poets and poetry have been seen as part of movements in the past 100 years, Lorca and Alberti and Spanish Republicanism, Marinetti, D'Annunzio and Pound and Fascism, Eliot and Conservatism and Christian Reaction, Cardenal and Liberation Theology, Neruda and many others and Marxism and Third World ism but I feel like I am wandering in the dark room since 9/11 trying to see where poets fit and what is the poetics for the 21st century, our century. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:37:20 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well, I think that this is a time of maintenance. media, such as television, cinema, the internet, programming, etc, that is in its formative years (contra literature, painting, etc) has overtaken the public imagination lately but this will pass. and so poets, writers, have to keep doing what their doing. it is almost irrelevant that governments have paid little attention. in order to maintain a community of writers that extends forward as much as back, it is necessary to keep writing in the face of social apathy, indifference, and subordination to new media forms, even if only to sustain a presence until a time when these media lose their importance based on newness. if we spend too much time being after an audience, after a share of the entertainment/cultural market then our actions will smack of desperation. simply be continuing to write will stand as a social response once enough time has passed to allow people to see the times we are living through clearly. in terms of a poetics for the 21st century, I'm not so sure a name is necessary when taxonomic impulses lead to much larger dangers (control through identity, once something is named it becomes susceptible to manipulation and control, etc...). I guess it is ineveitable that some collective term will rise to encompass groups of writers from responses to their work, in the interest of scholarly discussion say, but the important thing would be that such a stance comes from the outside. some rambling thots from a pain addled brain. wisdom tooth extractions are bloody fun. jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haas Bianchi" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > Ok a question it has been argued that WWI in part gave relavancy to poetic > modernism and then that movement broke into three with Pound going right, > various going left and Eliot becoming a conservative, it has also been > argued that WWII gave birth to post modernism, so where do we go from 9/11 > if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York on > 9/11/2001 we now need a poetic response to the new century/world we live in > now--- I dont think that standard left/right, or poetic movement answers > e.g. language, surrealist et cetera really are relevant to our current > situation-- I think that a new poetic/poetics needs to be born and i think > much of the baggage from the end of the 20th century is getting in the way-- > so where do we go from here? How do we dialogue? Is poetry relevant since so > much of it comes out of an academia that is totally ignored by the US > Government (from the left and the right) and by the new "enemy", > > I ask this because poets and poetry have been seen as part of movements in > the past 100 years, Lorca and Alberti and Spanish Republicanism, Marinetti, > D'Annunzio and Pound and Fascism, Eliot and Conservatism and Christian > Reaction, Cardenal and Liberation Theology, Neruda and many others and > Marxism and Third World ism but I feel like I am wandering in the dark room > since 9/11 trying to see where poets fit and what is the poetics for the > 21st century, our century. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 19:45:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: WordsOnBlogWords: what's new at chris murray's texfiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain New on http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com --Chris Daniels, translating Haroldo de Campos --more poetry of Junction Press: Mervyn Taylor, Rochelle Owens, Armand Schwerner, Susie Mee --Postcard Poems! "Postcard Poem Surprises," Del Ray Cross & Stephanie Young "Fleeting Self Portraits," Stephanie Young & Cassie Lewis --New work from Stephen Vincent: a *translation* --Poetry of Stephen Jonas --Excerpts from Clarice Lispector, "A Hora de Estrela," & "The Passion According to GH" --Douglas Hofstadter, an excerpt on how (and why!--definitely a Zen no-no) Zen resists "verbal spaces" & more... Enjoy! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 17:57:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jason, we should write, that's true, but not because nor to spite those who would pause taking stock of our thoughts; rather, we need appease the crowds.=20 That politics and politicians slaughter lambs appeasing leaders of the left and right, is a simple fact=20 that will neither change worlds, nor move mountains. =20 Yet, it is clear man made mountains shall be moved and men and lambs both will bleed stark and startling blood upon the altars of the now changed world and poets forever more must cry... alex - Original Message -----=20 From: jason christie=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response well, I think that this is a time of maintenance. media, such as television, cinema, the internet, programming, etc, that is in its = formative years (contra literature, painting, etc) has overtaken the public imagination lately but this will pass. and so poets, writers, have to = keep doing what their doing. it is almost irrelevant that governments have = paid little attention. in order to maintain a community of writers that = extends forward as much as back, it is necessary to keep writing in the face = of social apathy, indifference, and subordination to new media forms, = even if only to sustain a presence until a time when these media lose their importance based on newness. if we spend too much time being after an audience, after a share of the entertainment/cultural market then our actions will smack of desperation. simply be continuing to write will = stand as a social response once enough time has passed to allow people to = see the times we are living through clearly. in terms of a poetics for the = 21st century, I'm not so sure a name is necessary when taxonomic impulses = lead to much larger dangers (control through identity, once something is named = it becomes susceptible to manipulation and control, etc...). I guess it = is ineveitable that some collective term will rise to encompass groups of writers from responses to their work, in the interest of scholarly discussion say, but the important thing would be that such a stance = comes from the outside. some rambling thots from a pain addled brain. wisdom tooth = extractions are bloody fun. jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haas Bianchi" To: Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 4:24 PM Subject: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > Ok a question it has been argued that WWI in part gave relavancy to = poetic > modernism and then that movement broke into three with Pound going = right, > various going left and Eliot becoming a conservative, it has also = been > argued that WWII gave birth to post modernism, so where do we go = from 9/11 > if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York = on > 9/11/2001 we now need a poetic response to the new century/world we = live in > now--- I dont think that standard left/right, or poetic movement = answers > e.g. language, surrealist et cetera really are relevant to our = current > situation-- I think that a new poetic/poetics needs to be born and i = think > much of the baggage from the end of the 20th century is getting in = the way-- > so where do we go from here? How do we dialogue? Is poetry relevant = since so > much of it comes out of an academia that is totally ignored by the = US > Government (from the left and the right) and by the new "enemy", > > I ask this because poets and poetry have been seen as part of = movements in > the past 100 years, Lorca and Alberti and Spanish Republicanism, Marinetti, > D'Annunzio and Pound and Fascism, Eliot and Conservatism and = Christian > Reaction, Cardenal and Liberation Theology, Neruda and many others = and > Marxism and Third World ism but I feel like I am wandering in the = dark room > since 9/11 trying to see where poets fit and what is the poetics for = the > 21st century, our century. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:22:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response In-Reply-To: <000101c36a8e$742e5680$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > so where do we go from 9/11 >if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York on >9/11/2001 Well, this is to assume the 9/11/2001, or as most of the world says, 11/9/2001, is that large an event. It certainly was a large event in the USA, no question of that. But in that other countries face that sort of thing over and over, one has to wonder whether maybe we should wait a while to see what seems to be the event that heralded the 21st century or whenever. It is possible that the 21st century will not be the US's century. With the powerful brats in power there now, and according to signs most of us have seen, the US empire may be on the way out. Whether that happened as a result of 11/9/2001, will be an interesting question. -- George Bowering Too many days without bourbon 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:17:57 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: 21st Century Writing School Poem Template In-Reply-To: <200308250002316.SM02612@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1 + 1 ACE PHALIC MUSC ULAR P ROSE BREAK JELLY NO FEAT JEAN YOU US 0 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 00:35:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Again I keep on saying and will keep on saying, there _are_ new responses and presences, but _not_ from the more or less traditional poetics or poetry community; just look at the work on wryting, or that going on in the Unstable Digest etc. etc. etc. Many of us are working with distributivities, all sorts of language transformations and dynamics, performativities, laptop performance, codework, markov chains, etc. Look at Mez work, solipsis, Meskens, MWP, nn, etc. There's theory by Talan Memmott, Florian Cramer, Mez, and others. This is probably not writing that you would recognize as such, but it is certainly a poetry and poetics that is responsive to world-wide interconnectivity and it's holes, confusions, coherencies, inconsistencies, alphabetics, etc. And no, this is not post-Oulipo work, but semantics work, and it's occurring now, what what constantly surprises me is how little this list, and other poetry/poetics lists responds to it, as if the electronics, networking, languages, etc. etc. are simply add-ons to tradition. 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And as for your calendar.. The attacks on the World Trade Center (and the Pentagon) seem to have been grossly essential zed by the Ango-European media (though I suspect it's not just the media, as this enquiry suggests). Others on this list have said that the major impact of the attacks was their symbolic and aesthetic dimension, which I think is very true. And I'm sure not many have forgotten Stockhausen's comment that the attacks were the greatest artwork of the devil -- incidentally, he did say the devil, not just art as was reported in the media at the time. Personally, I feel quite uneasy about the 'devil' aspect of this and the associations one makes with gwb's redundant good and evil, axis of evil etc, but Stockhausen has a point. The real terror unleashed by these attacks has been the political rhetoric and the version of reality that it has helped to produce. There was plenty of violence against states before "9/11" but that violence has now been subsumed under America's banner terrorism. If 9/11 can be considered on one level a work of art, then what we've seen since then has been its horrible imitations -- the artwork of the devil indeed (understood as a malignant 'force' since I am both an atheist and aware that devil does not carry such dark connotations as the church believes). "Shock and awe" as 9/11 pt2? "America Strikes Back" as the political comics had it? It seems that actually 9/11 has become more like an antithetical Valentines Day more than anything else. That is, 9/11 is a commercial day and an emblem of commercial power that both sells itself and promotes state sanctioned hate in the image of compassion and safety. -Ben On 8/25/03 3:22 PM, "George Bowering" wrote: >> so where do we go from 9/11 >> if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York on >> 9/11/2001 > > Well, this is to assume the 9/11/2001, or as most of the world says, > 11/9/2001, is that large an event. It certainly was a large event in > the USA, no question of that. But in that other countries face that > sort of thing over and over, one has to wonder whether maybe we > should wait a while to see what seems to be the event that heralded > the 21st century or whenever. It is possible that the 21st century > will not be the US's century. With the powerful brats in power there > now, and according to signs most of us have seen, the US empire may > be on the way out. Whether that happened as a result of 11/9/2001, > will be an interesting question. > -- > George Bowering > Too many days without bourbon > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 01:22:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Brain-Resonant Rhythm Of Stillness #0001 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brain-Resonant Rhythm Of Stillness #0001 Refused obey heads, aimed supplicate God,. Participants, proliferated across Then Judah said to. The banking, system subverted altar stand truth. Be gone from you and spacious silence of Whalley's head that. Space-based system got up and said Let. Ornamented large, let him be in my storage facilities. Encouraged that, fact semen animals lead with the. Of his yellow head, number suits. 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Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 07:14:05 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ The decay of posthumous literary forms & the importance of book design Essential titles: Kathy Acker & Barrett Watten Essential titles: Louis Zukofsky & Robert Grenier Essential titles: Jack Spicer, Robert Creeley & Williams' Spring & All Essential titles: Williams' The Desert Music & the Allen anthology Dirty Pretty Things A report on The Philly Sound from CA Conrad Reading Keats to Sleep - Gregg Biglieri as the Baryshnikov of words The BBC asks about flarf Oh, the books I've bought & been given Antiques Roadshow with Louis Zukofsky - A Useful Art More notes on the New Brutalism Jordan Davis' Million Poems Journal The Philly Sound - first impressions Jonathan Greene's pursuit of closure http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:33:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear Poeticists, I have just been slapped with an extra section this fall, Writing for the Web, and know that there are buttloads of poetry hypertexts linked from the EPC and the works of Alan Sondheim (of whom I remain a fan, goddamnit) and August Highland. If anybody knows of a big fat concatenated group of links to such resources, and you send this to me front-channel or back, I will write a praise poem about you. Bests, Gwyn McVay --- "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:38:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gwyn. You may want to nail down a definition of what your are thinking of as hypertext poetry. Depending on who you talk to not all poetry written in & for an electronic medium is hypertext poetry. Personally I dont think of Alan or August's work as hypertext poetry overall tho I would guess that they probably have created hypertextual works at some point. Usually a hypertext work has an architecture of links & nodes as integral to the reading of the work. Here's a couple resources to get you started: word circuits (check out the Directory of Electronic Lit) http://wordcircuits.com/ webartery member sights (hypertext mixed with every other flavor of electronic writing) http://webartery.com/defib/webarterymembers.htm mIEKAL On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 07:33 AM, Gwyn McVay wrote: > Dear Poeticists, > > I have just been slapped with an extra section this fall, Writing for > the > Web, and know that there are buttloads of poetry hypertexts linked from > the EPC and the works of Alan Sondheim (of whom I remain a fan, > goddamnit) > and August Highland. > > If anybody knows of a big fat concatenated group of links to such > resources, and you send this to me front-channel or back, I will write > a > praise poem about you. > > Bests, Gwyn McVay > > --- > "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." > -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:04:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: oranget@GEORGETOWN.EDU Subject: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gywn, i've found the following helpful: http://www.hphoward.demon.co.uk/poetry/hypelink.htm maintained by peter howard in the UK, this has links to about 34 sites that range from featuring the work of individuals to being additional metalinks. http://dmoz.org/Arts/Literature/Poetry/Interactive the dmoz open directory project has tons of links and other headings you can browse under http://www.burningpress.org/wreyeting/ the wr-eye-tings scratchpad on luigi-bob drake's site has some innaresting work by a number of listfolks http://www.ubu.com/ ubu is probably the single best source for contemporary and historical concrete visual sound and performance poetries happy surfing and turn yr speakers up! and if you must i'd rather an aspersion-poem than praise-poem. bests, t. -------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 08:33:41 -0400 Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? Dear Poeticists, I have just been slapped with an extra section this fall, Writing for the Web, and know that there are buttloads of poetry hypertexts linked from the EPC and the works of Alan Sondheim (of whom I remain a fan, goddamnit) and August Highland. If anybody knows of a big fat concatenated group of links to such resources, and you send this to me front-channel or back, I will write a praise poem about you. Bests, Gwyn McVay ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:20:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: RIP: Haroldo de Campos (1929-2003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out this: http://www.uol.com.br/haroldodecampos/ Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard August 25, 2003 Haroldo de Campos, 73, Form-Bending Poet, Dies By SIMON ROMERO Haroldo de Campos, who transformed words into whimsical diagrams and subtle critiques of formal poetry as a founder of the 1950's Concrete poetry movement in Brazil, died Aug. 16 in São Paulo. He was 73. The cause was complications of diabetes, the newspaper O Globo reported. Mr. de Campos was perhaps the best known of the Brazilian Concrete poets, who often arranged the letters of the words in their poems in shapes that would lend them multiple meanings. The Concretists arrived on the international literary scene as Brazil, imbued with the modernism that also resulted in the completion of the planned capital Brasília in 1960, flirted with different artistic forms. With his brother, Augusto, and with Décio Pignatari, Mr. de Campos formed a group that sought to create a new form of expression by removing stereotypical traces of Brazilian culture from their work. One result was a cosmopolitan body of writing that reflected the pragmatic, gritty industrialism of São Paulo and that drew visual inspiration from European artists like Mondrian and Brancusi. The Cuban writer Severo Sarduy called Mr. de Campos the "Pound-like patriarch" of the Concrete poets, in reference to the poet Ezra Pound. Haroldo Eurico Browne de Campos was born to a middle-class family in São Paulo in 1929 and graduated from the University of São Paulo with a law degree. He shunned the legal profession, however, preferring to risk his hand at literary experimentation. A prolific essayist, translator and polyglot, Mr. de Campos translated works into Portuguese from Chinese, German, Spanish, Greek, Hebrew, English, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Latin and Provençal. In doing so, he often adopted a freewheeling practice called transcreation, which allowed him to intersperse translations with his own ideas. Mr. de Campos's translations sometimes took the form of literary collaborations, as in "Transblanco," a 1986 work in which he drew on correspondence and discussions with the Mexican poet Octavio Paz to produce a Brazilian version of Paz's poetry. The Mexican government awarded Mr. de Campos the Octavio Paz Prize in 1999. Mr. de Campos had widespread influence on Brazilian popular music, with composers like Caetano Veloso basing songs on his poems. Mr. de Campos is survived by his wife, Carmen, and a son, Ivan. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:55:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Haroldo de Campos (1929-2003) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And also see-- http://www.ubu.com/historical/decampos_h/decampos_h.html Hal { Check out this: http://www.uol.com.br/haroldodecampos/ { { Hal { { Halvard Johnson { =============== { email: halvard@earthlink.net { website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { { { { August 25, 2003 { Haroldo de Campos, 73, Form-Bending Poet, Dies { By SIMON ROMERO { { { Haroldo de Campos, who transformed words into whimsical diagrams { and subtle critiques of formal poetry as a founder of the 1950's Concrete { poetry movement in Brazil, died Aug. 16 in São Paulo. He was 73. { { The cause was complications of diabetes, the newspaper O Globo reported. { { Mr. de Campos was perhaps the best known of the Brazilian Concrete poets, { who often arranged the letters of the words in their poems in shapes that would { lend them multiple meanings. { { The Concretists arrived on the international literary scene as Brazil, imbued with { the modernism that also resulted in the completion of the planned capital Brasília { in 1960, flirted with different artistic forms. { { With his brother, Augusto, and with Décio Pignatari, Mr. de Campos formed a { group that sought to create a new form of expression by removing stereotypical { traces of Brazilian culture from their work. { { One result was a cosmopolitan body of writing that reflected the pragmatic, { gritty industrialism of São Paulo and that drew visual inspiration from European { artists like Mondrian and Brancusi. { { The Cuban writer Severo Sarduy called Mr. de Campos the "Pound-like patriarch" { of the Concrete poets, in reference to the poet Ezra Pound. { { Haroldo Eurico Browne de Campos was born to a middle-class family in São Paulo { in 1929 and graduated from the University of São Paulo with a law degree. He { shunned the legal profession, however, preferring to risk his hand at literary { experimentation. { { A prolific essayist, translator and polyglot, Mr. de Campos translated works into { Portuguese from Chinese, German, Spanish, Greek, Hebrew, English, Italian, Japanese, { Russian, Latin and Provençal. In doing so, he often adopted a freewheeling practice { called transcreation, which allowed him to intersperse translations with his own ideas. { { Mr. de Campos's translations sometimes took the form of literary collaborations, as { in "Transblanco," a 1986 work in which he drew on correspondence and discussions { with the Mexican poet Octavio Paz to produce a Brazilian version of Paz's poetry. { { The Mexican government awarded Mr. de Campos the Octavio Paz Prize in 1999. { { Mr. de Campos had widespread influence on Brazilian popular music, with composers { like Caetano Veloso basing songs on his poems. { { Mr. de Campos is survived by his wife, Carmen, and a son, Ivan. { ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:49:58 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? In-Reply-To: <584DBFAA-D701-11D7-B50E-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII another suggestion is to use books from Coach House Books and then look at the web renderings of these books as they are on their site. this might form an interesting bridge. chbooks.com good luck, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:41:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: fall prose workshop In-Reply-To: <4056544e69.44e6940565@homemail.nyu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dodie Bellamy's Fall Prose Workshop I will be leading a fall prose workshop, which will meet 10 Monday evenings in my South of Market apartment from 7 to 10. The dates: September 29 through December 1. By prose I mean fiction, nonfiction, prose poetry, cross-genre (and cross-gender) writing including (but not exclusively) anything edgy or experimental. It's a good place to present work that feels too risky or sexy or queer for academic workshops. The workshops are totally open-ended. Five people present a week, scheduling that the week ahead. Usually people bring in something 5 pages or less (copies for everybody) and we critique it that week. Longer pieces are also okay, but they need to be handed out a week ahead of time for people to read. Each student typically gets a half an hour each time we critique. The classes are limited to 8 students. Lots and lots of personal attention. They take place in my South of Market apartment, which comes complete with snacks and one cat. I'm the author of 4 books and I teach creative writing at SF State and in the MFA program at Antioch Los Angeles. In the spring I'll be teaching at CalArts. I've also taught at Naropa summer session, Mills, USF, UC Santa Cruz, and the SF Art Institute. I'm the winner of the Bay Guardian Goldie Award for Literature and the Firecracker Alternative Book Award for Poetry. If you're interested, please email about cost, work samples, etc. Or--if you know anybody who might be interested, please pass this email along to them. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:06:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bill Berkson Subject: OTHER WORDS Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable OTHER WORDS 3rd San Francisco International Poetry Festival Program: Thursday 25 September 7:30pm University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts Lone Mountain 148, 2800 Turk Street. Sara Berkeley .ireland. Val=E9rie Rouzeau .france. Patrizia Cavalli .italy. Hans-Ulrich Treichel .germany. and a talk by Peter France on translating Gennady Aygi Thursday September 25, 4:30 pm @ The Poetry Center, SFSU Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), Friday 26 September 7:30pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. Christian Doumet .france. Stefan Hyner .germany. Joanne Kyger .usa. James Liddy .ireland. Saturday 27 September 7:30pm Poetry Center & American Poetry Archives Unitarian Center, 1187 Franklin Street (at Geary), devorah major .usa. Cristina Rivera-Garza .mexico. Arne Johnsson .sweden. Tua Forsstr=F6m .finland. Gennady Aygi .russia. Sunday 28 September 7:30pm San Francisco Art Institute SFAI Lecture Hall, 800 Chestnut Street, between Leavenworth and Jones. A Grand Finale Reading with all participating poets and translators, and including Bay Area poets Thanasis Maskaleris, devorah major, Lyn Hejinian, Joanne Kyger, Duncan McNaughton, Cedar Sigo, Peter Streckfus, and others. Admission to all readings free, donations welcome. Presented by: Center for Modern Greek Studies of San Francisco State University Consulat General of Finland Consulat G=E9n=E9ral de France Consulate General of Sweden Goethe-Institut Irish Arts Foundation Istituto Italiano di Cultura The Poetry Center & American Poetry Archive San Francisco Art Institute University of San Francisco, Val=E9ry Institute for Poetry and Visual Arts =20 With support of: The Cartwright Hotel, San Francisco Consulate General of Greece CultureLounge The Modern Greek Studies Foundation McNaughton & Gunn, Inc. Swedish Institute More information under: http://www.other-words.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:31:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >ah, lowdown, bovine and bromide, peekaboo in the peekskills...how the >memories come flooding back. geoogre, have you no shred of sediment >left for the olde daze? well... go with god. be well. be well. i >will be returning your jewelry the po box you specified. farewell, >my pretty. > You don't have to return the jewelry, dear heart. Don't you recall that you had to pay for it when my Visa card bounced? Some silliness about the spelling of my name. Hell, Bowering, I tried to tell the guy, is just another way of spelling Bromige. -- George Bowering Too many days without bourbon 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 11:39:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan: I fully agree with you on the importance these "new responses and presences," and that poets and critics aren't giving them their due. They address the medium on its own terms. They challenge our notion of what art is in this Digital Age. But this reaction, this resistance, is as old as art itself. There were artists in the Upper Paleolithic who said, "What's that crap on the walls?!" -Joel W. > Again I keep on saying and will keep on saying, there _are_ new responses > and presences, but _not_ from the more or less traditional poetics or > poetry community; just look at the work on wryting, or that going on in > the Unstable Digest etc. etc. etc. Many of us are working with > distributivities, all sorts of language transformations and dynamics, > performativities, laptop performance, codework, markov chains, etc. Look > at Mez work, solipsis, Meskens, MWP, nn, etc. There's theory by Talan > Memmott, Florian Cramer, Mez, and others. > > This is probably not writing that you would recognize as such, but it is > certainly a poetry and poetics that is responsive to world-wide > interconnectivity and it's holes, confusions, coherencies, > inconsistencies, alphabetics, etc. And no, this is not post-Oulipo work, > but semantics work, and it's occurring now, what what constantly surprises > me is how little this list, and other poetry/poetics lists responds to it, > as if the electronics, networking, languages, etc. etc. are simply add-ons > to tradition. > > Alan > > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ > http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt > Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm > finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 14:37:57 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is the best question asked in the last six months to my mind. The two big answers on the board now seem to be Marxism and Calvinism. The Democrats are more and more finding their answers in socialism of various kinds (although they aren't announcing this -- most feminists, multiculturalists, etc., have found their justification in Marx, and Marxism -- and it's very clear in the academic texts). On the other side there are the Calvinists -- Southern Baptists like Bush and most of his circle, plus a good percentage of other Christians in this country. There are other groups but I don't think either one is as zealous as these two groups, nor are they as powerful. What I see in them as a unifying quality is that they are one-kingdom responses. That is, Marxists laugh about the idea of another higher world. This seems to be in one sense a response to the church's own wrong-doings -- and also to the idea that the church asked the poor to wait until the next kingdom for justice. It's understandable. But what happens to ideas like the Ten Commandments, and other basic ideas of justice? They are wiped off the board. Then, when you look at the Calvinists, they want Christ's kingdom to take place right now on earth. This drives me crazy because we are filled with animal lusts, need to eat, etc., and yet I haven't seen manna fall from the sky lately. In contrast to these ideas is the Lutheran idea of two kingdoms. I can't prove this but I think it is at least partially implied in the separation of church and state. It's originally set up by Augustine to deal with the problem of being an imperial power and yet Christian. It's absurdly difficult to treat in a note like this. But it's the animating idea behind the Scandinavian welfare states such as Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland. Unlike Marxist or Calvinist states that argue that we should be good all the time and help everybody else, Lutheranism argues that we have to take care of ourselves and our families first. Almost in a humorous way I'd like to launch this idea as a possible idea as an underpinning and ethics in American poetics. Partially because it's so laughable to think that poets would ever take up a Christian idea. Where it seems to me that it has real-world efficacity is that it separates the perfect world that we imagine from this world. It puts a division of a kind between them. That is to say if you own a bakery you don't have to give all your doughnuts to the poor, because if you do you'd go broke. You give what you can and what makes sense. In the same way, we can't expect people to not be racist, or territorial, or perfect in regard to others and really treat them as if this is already the kingdom of love. It just isn't. So we try to do our best. Most importantly what I see as a new poetics (but really very old) is a humorous recognition of the incongruous position we're in -- both living in a secular world that is far from perfect and where as Christ said "the poor shall always be with us," and yet able to imagine a perfect world. The incongruity of these two worlds seems to provide a perspective of humor and amazement. I see this most reflected, ironically, in the poetry and prose of the Sufis, and in their jokes. What it's doing there is something I keep meaning to investigate. A very short definition of Lutheran two kingdoms is at: http://www.elca.org/jle/articles/biblical_theological/article.biblical_theological.html A brilliant exposition of two kingdoms as it is found in the work of Immanuel Kant is at: http://www.home.apu.edu/~CTRF/articles/1998_articles/wilms.html At any rate, I probably screwed up those links, as I nearly always get one thing wrong in them. What I like about two kingdoms is that it teaches patience and laughter, and a certain well, resignation. All the avant-gardes of the early 20th century seem to me now too impatient to fix the world in one generation whether it was Freud, or Marxists, or surrealists. Everybody seemed to think the answer was right there. But I think that if you can really help your neighbor in one small way once or twice a week, that's about all that can be realistically done -- and then to not be too proud of it. Even that much requires a saint. I still don't know what the role of poetry is in this, though, but thanks for asking the question. Charles Olson doesn't offer any transcendant principles, it seems to me. We somehow need to recover a few of those as a guiding star. Do you think the Ten Commandments would be a beginning place, or would that just be laughable to too many? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:21:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gwyn, You are from North Dakota. I lived as a child for years some in=20 Fargo. Here are some links. LINKS to do with POETRY BASIC ITEMS RELATING TO BROADER GENRE AND EXTRA-GENRE ISSUES: LITERARY TERMS & DEFINITIONS http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/lit_terms.html NAMES & DEFINITIONS OF RHETORICAL FIGURES OF SPEECH http://rhetoric.byu.edu/ NAMES & DEFINITIONS OF VARIOUS KINDS OF LANGUAGE ABUSE [fun and interesting!!!] http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/Groupings/Vices.htm GLOSSARY OF LITERARY AND THEORETICAL TERMS http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/Terms/Temp/index.html MORE SOLID AND ORGANIZED, LESS MISCELLANEOUS RESOURCES DIRECTLY CONCERNING= =20 POETRY: THE ONLINE MULTI-MEDIA COMPANION TO THE CARY NELSON ANTHOLOGY, MODERN=20 AMERICAN POETRY: http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/ THE ONLINE PROJECT MUSE JOURNAL POETICS TODAY: http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/poetics_today/ MASSIVE POETRY RESOURCE from UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA=92S ENGLISH 88, ON MODERN AND CONTEMPORARY POETRIES http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/home.html LIST OF INTERNET WRITING SITES POETRY, FICTION, EXPOSITORY, SCREENWRITING= =20 -- ECLECTIC & FAR-RANGING http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/cew/cew.htm ELECTRONIC POETRY CENTER (SUNY, BUFFALO) http://epc.buffalo.edu/ POETSERV=92S LINKS Miscellaneous and Interesting, even links to my blog http://www.poetserv.com/links.html from http://www.poetserv.com/ UBUWEB: VISUAL, CONCRETE, & SOUND POETRIES http://www.ubu.com/ THE POETIC EDDA: THE ORAL LITERATURE OF ICELAND (THE SAGAS): =93The Poetic Eddas, the oral literature of Iceland which were finally=20 written down from 1000-1300 A.D, are like big summer movies, full of gore,= =20 sex, revenge and apocalyptic violence.=94 http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/ INTERVIEWS WITH WHITE MALE MAINSTREAM POETS http://www.interviews-with-poets.com/ I have a list of poets=92 Web Logs or Blogs in the =93blogroll=94 in my= blog: www.gabrielgudding.blogspot.com DAVID GRAHAM=92S POETRY LIBRARY (MAINSTREAM) http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO=92S POETRY LIBRARY (TRADITIONAL) http://eir.library.utoronto.ca/rpo/display_rpo/intro.cfm POETRY ARCHIVES not that extensive; traditional http://www.emule.com/poetry/ THE OPEN POETRY PROJECT http://openpoetry.com/ =93The Open Poetry Project is an open-to-anyone editable wiki database of=20 information about poetry available on the world wide web.=94 PLAGIARIST.COM POETRY ARCHIVE some wonderful old poems here http://plagiarist.com/poetry/ MISCELLANEOUS: ARTICLE ON ELECTRONIC LITERATURE http://english.ttu.edu/kairos/7.3/binder2.html?coverweb/rettberg/ L=92BOURGEOIZINE {ISU-based lit mag} http://bourgeoizine.pabn.org/index.html THE POETRY OF SARAH PIATT (19TH C AMERICAN) http://www.rit.edu/~pjknge/Piatt%20Page/poetryentry.html SLOPE MAGAZINE http://www.slope.org/ DADA http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jenglish/English104/tzara.html MASTHEAD MAG BY AUSTRALIAN POET ALISON CROGGON http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/home.html AUSTRALIAN POET ALISON CROGGON MUSING ABOUT POETRY http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx/lynx78.html LYNX: POETRY FROM BATH, ENGLAND http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx.html CENTER FOR BOOK CULTURE http://www.centerforbookculture.org/ ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY http://www.etymonline.com/ DESPAIR.COM http://www.despair.com/indem.html THE WORKS OF ROBERT HERRICK http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/herrick/herribib.htm METHODS AND MEANS OF INVENTION AND COMPOSITION FLARF http://mainstreampoetry.blogspot.com/ [Flarf is a method of composition named by poet and cartoonist Gary=20 Sullivan: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com/. Flarf utilizes the google.com= =20 search engine. You put in search terms you think will get you interesting=20 results. You begin to cut and paste. You then begin to rewrite, collage,=20 steal, mix, make, put, glue, rework at will.] BABELFISH TRANSLATION http://world.altavista.com/ BERNSTEIN EXPERIMENTS http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/experiments.html THE BELOW IS TAKEN FROM A LARGE COLLECTION OF INTERVIEWS & ESSAYS=20 CONCERNING POETRY http://pub137.ezboard.com/fthenewbluelinethereferencelibrary.showMessage?top= icID=3D26.topic Essays and Interviews on Poetics and Writing ESSAYS =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ABOUT POETRY by Jay Frankston www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/franks.htm A Contemporary Postmodern Poetics by Jim Robinson www.ozemail.com.au/~poeti...binson.htm A Conversation with Alan Kaufman. Savoy Magazine www.savoymag.net/20quest/akauf_01.htm A Discussion with Chitra Divakaruni by Erika Bauer www.ebstudios.com/homespu...aruni.html AFTER FREE VERSE: THE NEW NON-LINEAR POETRIES: by MARJORIE PERLOFF writing.upenn.edu/epc/aut.../free.html Against National Poetry Month as Such by Charles Bernstein www.press.uchicago.edu/Mi...44106.html Allen Ginsberg Public Radio Book Show, January 24, 1994 Interviewer: Tom Smith, Host of The Book Show www.albany.edu/writers-inst/olv1n4.html ALLUSIONS by Tom Love www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/essays.htm An Interview With Poet and Critic Dana Gioia gloria-brame.com/glory/gioia.htm AN INTERVIEW WITH KLAUS GERKEN www.geocities.com/Paris/M...Aug99.html "Anthologizing American Poetry in the 1990s" by Jed Rasula dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...asula.html A Rant in Defense of the Taxonomization of Poetry by Bob Grumman www.geocities.com/Soho/Ca...dfens.html "A=3DR=3DT M=3DE=3DA=3DN=3DS" by Joe Brennan www.flashpointmag.com/artmeans.htm Asian Politics' Influence on Non-Asian Contemporary Poets: Diane diPrima,=20 Allen Ginsberg, Denise Levertov, Anne Waldman by Jane Augustine (dedicated= =20 to the spirit and memory of Allen Ginsberg) english.rutgers.edu/augustin.htm Can Poetry Matter? by Dana Gioia www.theatlantic.com/unbou.../gioia.htm CAN POETS MATTER? Rebuttal to Can Poetry Matter by Anne Forrest www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/anne1.htm Charlotte Mew: John Faragher's essay on Mew's poetic style, e-text of 8= poems. www.execpc.com/~jon/mewpage.html Contemporary American Poetry and Its Public Worlds: Charles Altieri, UC=20 Berkeley english.rutgers.edu/altieri.htm CREATIVE DEPRESSION: A Curious Facilitator by Jerry Dreesen a sometimes=20 blueline poet. www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/jerry3.htm Creative Writing & its Discontents by D.W. Fenza awpwriter.org/fenza1.htm Dalkey Archive Press: Interviews With Our Authors www.centerforbookculture....index.html Defence of Poetry (1821) (Percy Bysshe Shelley) www.library.utoronto.ca/u...ll_il.html Eastern Philosophy and Jack Kerouac's Postmodern Poetry: A Thesis by=20 Christopher R. Smith www.umit.maine.edu/~Chris...hesis.html Editors on Poetry www.poetrysociety.org/jou...ors00.html ESSAY: On Poetry by Alvin Pang poetry.s-one.net.sg/poetrya-1.htm FRAGMENT OF A TALK ON OCTAVIO PAZ, ANTHROPOLOGY AND THE FUTURE OF POETRY www.jacket.zip.com.au/jac...n-paz.html Gabriel Gudding Essay: From Petit to Langpo: A History of Solipsism and=20 Experience In American Poetics Since the Rise of Creative Writing www.flashpointmag.com/guddin~1.htm Haiku Is What? www2.ori.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~d...idson.html How Allen Ginsberg Thinks His Thoughts dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...g-nyt.html Immersion New Media: Diane Di Prima - 1993 interview about rebellion and the future of poetry and literature. www.imedea.com/works/diprima.html Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetry and the Popular Song By Frank Davey, December 1969 www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/LC3.html Leaping Into Wilderness: Matthias Regan on the "Men's Movement" eserver.org/BS/29/regan.html Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetry and the Popular Song By Frank Davey, December 1969 www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/LC3.html LETTER TO EWAN ELLIOT from TIM ESIAS: Getting Poetry Published www.nexus.org.nz/scribble/rsell.html "Let Us Throw Out the Word Man": Michael McClure's Mammalian Poetics by Rod= =20 Phillips www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/...c-phil.htm Life of Prose and Poetry -- an Inspiring Combination By MARGE PIERCY www.nytimes.com/library/b...iting.html Lights in the Windows - an essay about writing poetry by Naomi Shihab Nye. scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejourn...5/Nye.html Light, Fire, Prison A Cognitive Analysis of Religious Imagery in Poetry by= =20 Reuven Tsur www.tau.ac.il/~tsurxx/Kos...off_2.html Mark Strand on Poetry and Poetics--from Essays and Interviews www.english.uiuc.edu/maps...oetics.htm Maxine Kumin: New Life in a Barn -interview in which Kumin reflects upon=20 nature, animals, feminism, and her poetry. Christian Science Monitor: www.csmonitor.com Men Hate Poetry: Douglas Jones' essay on why modern men shun poetry and how= =20 over the millenia, of course, men and poetry were inseparable. "Why Men=20 Hate Poetry" gabiscott.com/mw2/review/...oetry.html MILTON AND TINKY WINKY Savoy Magazine www.savoymag.net/opinions/edit0063.htm "Narcissus as Narcissus" Tate's essay on his own verse, as appeared in=20 Reason in Madness, 1938. www.english.upenn.edu/~af...issus.html Notes toward a Taxonomy of Literature by Bob Grumman www.geocities.com/Soho/Ca...t-tax.html On Contemporary American Poetry: A Review by James Rother www.cprw.com/Rother/ocap.htm Perhaps These Are Not Poetic Times At All Poetry and Los Angeles at the Millennium by Brendan Bernhard www.laweekly.com/printme.php3?&eid=3D8408 POETRY and PROSE What sets poetry apart from prose? by John Amato www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/john1.htm Poetry and the Public Sphere (many essays from The Conference on Contemporary Poetry at Rutgers University) english.rutgers.edu/titles.htm Poetry Criticism: What is it for? marked the first in a new series of PSA=20 panels on contemporary poetics and poetry criticism. Moderated by poet=20 Susan Wheeler, the panel engaged critics Stephen Burt, Marjorie Perloff,=20 Michael Scharf and Helen Vendler in a provocative discussionof poetry=20 criticism today. www.poetrysociety.org/jou...rloff.html Poetry Harsh: A collection of scathing reviews, interviews and essays on=20 modern and contemporary poetry by Erich Vogel. www.jps.net/erichv/harsh/ Poetry of Play, Poetry of Purpose: The Continuity of American Language=20 Poetry by John R. Woznicki www.moriapoetry.com/woznicki.htm Public Heart: An Interview with Allen Ginsberg By Jim Moore www.bookwire.com/hmr/REVIEW/moore.html Selected Prose on Poetry: A Handbook www.northshore.net/homepa...sages.html Soul Cadence and the Social Poet by Mark Antony Rossi www.nexus.org.nz/scribble/rross1.html Style, Complexity, and the Love Poetry of E. E. Cummings by Alan Tranter www.tranter63.freeserve.co.uk/ Surrealism in Literature:Writing the Marvelous By Franklin Rosemont, special to Britannica.com britannica.com/bcom/origi...66,00.html Resistance to The "New Poetry" by Louis Untermeyer 1923 On Intellectual Obscurity in Poetry: Charles Edward Russell 1929 The New Poetry: Trend or Fashion?: William Rose Ben=E9t "Mr. Moon=92s= Notebook"=20 1928 www.english.uiuc.edu/maps...istnew.htm The Breakdown Of Criticism Before The Printed Deluge www.cprw.com/Davis/breakdwn.htm THE DEATH THROES OF ROMANTICISM:The Poetry of Sylvia Plath by Joyce Carol Oates www.usfca.edu/fac-staff/s...hroes.html "The Genealogy of Postmodernism: Contemporary American Poetry" by Albert= Gelpi dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...gelpi.html THE POETS' CORNER RHYMERY: THE POETRY OF JOYCE KILMER www.blockhead.com/kilmer.htm The Reception of Maya Angelou's Poetry by Zofia Burr, George Mason= University english.rutgers.edu/angelou.htm The Sacred Wood Essays on Poetry and Criticism by T.S. Eliot www.bartleby.com/200/ The Tenth Muse: Teaching and Writing Poetry by Martin Harrison www.gu.edu.au/school/art/...rrison.htm "The Trouble with Mediocrity" by Carlo Parcelli www.flashpointmag.com/mediocre.htm What exactly is poetry and what makes a good poem? by Peter Davison, poetry= =20 editor,The Atlantic Monthly www.csmonitor.com/atcsmon...dpoem.html What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Poetry writing.upenn.edu/epc/aut...f/lit.html Words and Mirrors by Robert Kendall www.eastgate.com/hypertex...rrors.html Writing for the New Millennium The Birth of Electronic Literature by Robert= =20 Kendall wordcircuits.com/kendall/.../pw1.htm#A Life Writers on Writing: New York Times This is a complete archive of the=20 Writers on Writing column, a series in which writers explore literary= themes. www.nytimes.com/books/spe...iters.html At 08:33 AM 8/25/2003 -0400, Gwyn McVay wrote: >Dear Poeticists, > >I have just been slapped with an extra section this fall, Writing for the >Web, and know that there are buttloads of poetry hypertexts linked from >the EPC and the works of Alan Sondheim (of whom I remain a fan, goddamnit) >and August Highland. > >If anybody knows of a big fat concatenated group of links to such >resources, and you send this to me front-channel or back, I will write a >praise poem about you. > >Bests, Gwyn McVay > >--- >"Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." > -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 _____________________________________________________ "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things they misname empire; and where they make a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus Gabriel Gudding Assistant Professor of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 gmguddi@ilstu.edu http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:09:48 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: nonce-words MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT If anybody has examples of nonce-words either in the dictionary already or else "live" I'd like to know what they are! The Century Dictionary Online on "nonce-word": "A word coined and used only for the nonce, or for the particular occasion. Nonce-words, suggested by the context arising out of momentary caprice, are numerous in English. They are usually indicated as such by the context. Some are admitted into this dictionary for historical or literary reasons, but most of them require or deserve no serious notice." Thanks! forever indebted! Louis! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:24:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Hypertext poetry: One organized batch of links? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030825151533.0132f800@mail.ilstu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Without even have Gwyn's obligation to write a praise poem, I praise you. Gabriel, for posting all these links. They make me absolutely hyper. I am reaching for books. I am looking for one Sappho line that can hold me together for a whole week without linking! This is overwhelming. I got to go back to school. What it appears a young poet has to do these days! What Gwyn calls a "buttload" is minimally applicable to an elephant. But(t), for real, thanks - tho I am not teaching these days, I bet I use a little of this wealth. This poor un-retiring minimalist, Stephen V on 8/25/03 1:21 PM, Gabriel Gudding at gmguddi@ILSTU.EDU wrote: > Hi Gwyn, You are from North Dakota. I lived as a child for years some in > Fargo. Here are some links. >=20 > LINKS to do with POETRY >=20 > BASIC ITEMS RELATING TO BROADER GENRE AND EXTRA-GENRE ISSUES: >=20 > LITERARY TERMS & DEFINITIONS > http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/lit_terms.html >=20 > NAMES & DEFINITIONS OF RHETORICAL FIGURES OF SPEECH > http://rhetoric.byu.edu/ >=20 > NAMES & DEFINITIONS OF VARIOUS KINDS OF LANGUAGE ABUSE > [fun and interesting!!!] > http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/Figures/Groupings/Vices.htm >=20 > GLOSSARY OF LITERARY AND THEORETICAL TERMS > http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jlynch/Terms/Temp/index.html >=20 >=20 > MORE SOLID AND ORGANIZED, LESS MISCELLANEOUS RESOURCES DIRECTLY CONCERNIN= G > POETRY: >=20 > THE ONLINE MULTI-MEDIA COMPANION TO THE CARY NELSON ANTHOLOGY, MODERN > AMERICAN POETRY: > http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/ >=20 > THE ONLINE PROJECT MUSE JOURNAL POETICS TODAY: > http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/poetics_today/ >=20 > MASSIVE POETRY RESOURCE from UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA=92S > ENGLISH 88, ON MODERN AND CONTEMPORARY POETRIES > http://www.english.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/home.html >=20 > LIST OF INTERNET WRITING SITES POETRY, FICTION, EXPOSITORY, SCREENWRITIN= G > -- ECLECTIC & FAR-RANGING > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/cew/cew.htm >=20 > ELECTRONIC POETRY CENTER (SUNY, BUFFALO) > http://epc.buffalo.edu/ >=20 > POETSERV=92S LINKS Miscellaneous and Interesting, even links to my blog > http://www.poetserv.com/links.html > from http://www.poetserv.com/ >=20 > UBUWEB: VISUAL, CONCRETE, & SOUND POETRIES > http://www.ubu.com/ >=20 > THE POETIC EDDA: THE ORAL LITERATURE OF ICELAND (THE SAGAS): > =93The Poetic Eddas, the oral literature of Iceland which were finally > written down from 1000-1300 A.D, are like big summer movies, full of gore= , > sex, revenge and apocalyptic violence.=94 > http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/ >=20 > INTERVIEWS WITH WHITE MALE MAINSTREAM POETS > http://www.interviews-with-poets.com/ >=20 > I have a list of poets=92 Web Logs or Blogs in the =93blogroll=94 in my blog: > www.gabrielgudding.blogspot.com >=20 > DAVID GRAHAM=92S POETRY LIBRARY (MAINSTREAM) > http://www.ripon.edu/faculty/GrahamD/poetrylib.html >=20 > UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO=92S POETRY LIBRARY (TRADITIONAL) > http://eir.library.utoronto.ca/rpo/display_rpo/intro.cfm >=20 > POETRY ARCHIVES not that extensive; traditional > http://www.emule.com/poetry/ >=20 > THE OPEN POETRY PROJECT > http://openpoetry.com/ > =93The Open Poetry Project is an open-to-anyone editable wiki database of > information about poetry available on the world wide web.=94 >=20 > PLAGIARIST.COM POETRY ARCHIVE some wonderful old poems here > http://plagiarist.com/poetry/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > MISCELLANEOUS: >=20 > ARTICLE ON ELECTRONIC LITERATURE > http://english.ttu.edu/kairos/7.3/binder2.html?coverweb/rettberg/ >=20 > L=92BOURGEOIZINE {ISU-based lit mag} > http://bourgeoizine.pabn.org/index.html >=20 > THE POETRY OF SARAH PIATT (19TH C AMERICAN) > http://www.rit.edu/~pjknge/Piatt%20Page/poetryentry.html >=20 > SLOPE MAGAZINE > http://www.slope.org/ >=20 > DADA > http://www.english.upenn.edu/~jenglish/English104/tzara.html >=20 > MASTHEAD MAG BY AUSTRALIAN POET ALISON CROGGON > http://au.geocities.com/masthead_2/home.html >=20 > AUSTRALIAN POET ALISON CROGGON MUSING ABOUT POETRY > http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx/lynx78.html >=20 > LYNX: POETRY FROM BATH, ENGLAND > http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com/lynx.html >=20 > CENTER FOR BOOK CULTURE > http://www.centerforbookculture.org/ >=20 > ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY > http://www.etymonline.com/ >=20 > DESPAIR.COM > http://www.despair.com/indem.html >=20 > THE WORKS OF ROBERT HERRICK > http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/herrick/herribib.htm >=20 >=20 > METHODS AND MEANS OF INVENTION AND COMPOSITION >=20 > FLARF > http://mainstreampoetry.blogspot.com/ > [Flarf is a method of composition named by poet and cartoonist Gary > Sullivan: http://garysullivan.blogspot.com/. Flarf utilizes the google.co= m > search engine. You put in search terms you think will get you interesting > results. You begin to cut and paste. You then begin to rewrite, collage, > steal, mix, make, put, glue, rework at will.] >=20 > BABELFISH TRANSLATION > http://world.altavista.com/ >=20 > BERNSTEIN EXPERIMENTS > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/experiments.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > THE BELOW IS TAKEN FROM A LARGE COLLECTION OF INTERVIEWS & ESSAYS > CONCERNING POETRY > http://pub137.ezboard.com/fthenewbluelinethereferencelibrary.showMessage?= topic > ID=3D26.topic >=20 > Essays and Interviews on Poetics and Writing >=20 > ESSAYS > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > ABOUT POETRY by Jay Frankston > www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/franks.htm >=20 > A Contemporary Postmodern Poetics by Jim Robinson > www.ozemail.com.au/~poeti...binson.htm >=20 > A Conversation with Alan Kaufman. Savoy Magazine > www.savoymag.net/20quest/akauf_01.htm >=20 > A Discussion with Chitra Divakaruni by Erika Bauer > www.ebstudios.com/homespu...aruni.html >=20 > AFTER FREE VERSE: THE NEW NON-LINEAR POETRIES: by MARJORIE PERLOFF > writing.upenn.edu/epc/aut.../free.html >=20 > Against National Poetry Month as Such by Charles Bernstein > www.press.uchicago.edu/Mi...44106.html >=20 > Allen Ginsberg Public Radio Book Show, January 24, 1994 > Interviewer: Tom Smith, Host of The Book Show > www.albany.edu/writers-inst/olv1n4.html >=20 > ALLUSIONS by Tom Love > www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/essays.htm >=20 > An Interview With Poet and Critic Dana Gioia > gloria-brame.com/glory/gioia.htm >=20 > AN INTERVIEW WITH KLAUS GERKEN > www.geocities.com/Paris/M...Aug99.html >=20 > "Anthologizing American Poetry in the 1990s" by Jed Rasula > dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...asula.html >=20 > A Rant in Defense of the Taxonomization of Poetry by Bob Grumman > www.geocities.com/Soho/Ca...dfens.html >=20 > "A=3DR=3DT M=3DE=3DA=3DN=3DS" by Joe Brennan > www.flashpointmag.com/artmeans.htm >=20 > Asian Politics' Influence on Non-Asian Contemporary Poets: Diane diPrima, > Allen Ginsberg, Denise Levertov, Anne Waldman by Jane Augustine (dedicate= d > to the spirit and memory of Allen Ginsberg) > english.rutgers.edu/augustin.htm >=20 > Can Poetry Matter? by Dana Gioia > www.theatlantic.com/unbou.../gioia.htm >=20 > CAN POETS MATTER? Rebuttal to Can Poetry Matter by Anne Forrest > www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/anne1.htm >=20 > Charlotte Mew: John Faragher's essay on Mew's poetic style, e-text of 8 p= oems. > www.execpc.com/~jon/mewpage.html >=20 > Contemporary American Poetry and Its Public Worlds: Charles Altieri, UC > Berkeley > english.rutgers.edu/altieri.htm >=20 > CREATIVE DEPRESSION: A Curious Facilitator by Jerry Dreesen a sometimes > blueline poet. > www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/jerry3.htm >=20 > Creative Writing & its Discontents by D.W. Fenza > awpwriter.org/fenza1.htm >=20 > Dalkey Archive Press: Interviews With Our Authors > www.centerforbookculture....index.html >=20 > Defence of Poetry (1821) (Percy Bysshe Shelley) > www.library.utoronto.ca/u...ll_il.html >=20 > Eastern Philosophy and Jack Kerouac's Postmodern Poetry: A Thesis by > Christopher R. Smith > www.umit.maine.edu/~Chris...hesis.html >=20 > Editors on Poetry > www.poetrysociety.org/jou...ors00.html >=20 > ESSAY: On Poetry by Alvin Pang > poetry.s-one.net.sg/poetrya-1.htm >=20 > FRAGMENT OF A TALK ON OCTAVIO PAZ, ANTHROPOLOGY AND THE FUTURE OF POETRY > www.jacket.zip.com.au/jac...n-paz.html >=20 > Gabriel Gudding Essay: From Petit to Langpo: A History of Solipsism and > Experience In American > Poetics Since the Rise of Creative Writing > www.flashpointmag.com/guddin~1.htm >=20 > Haiku Is What? > www2.ori.u-tokyo.ac.jp/~d...idson.html >=20 > How Allen Ginsberg Thinks His Thoughts > dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...g-nyt.html >=20 > Immersion New Media: Diane Di Prima - 1993 interview about rebellion > and the future of poetry and literature. > www.imedea.com/works/diprima.html >=20 > Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetry and the Popular Song > By Frank Davey, December 1969 > www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/LC3.html >=20 > Leaping Into Wilderness: Matthias Regan on the "Men's Movement" > eserver.org/BS/29/regan.html >=20 > Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan : Poetry and the Popular Song > By Frank Davey, December 1969 > www.medialab.chalmers.se/guitar/LC3.html >=20 > LETTER TO EWAN ELLIOT from TIM ESIAS: Getting Poetry Published > www.nexus.org.nz/scribble/rsell.html >=20 > "Let Us Throw Out the Word Man": Michael McClure's Mammalian Poetics by R= od > Phillips > www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/...c-phil.htm >=20 > Life of Prose and Poetry -- an Inspiring Combination By MARGE PIERCY > www.nytimes.com/library/b...iting.html >=20 > Lights in the Windows - an essay about writing poetry by Naomi Shihab Nye= . > scholar.lib.vt.edu/ejourn...5/Nye.html >=20 > Light, Fire, Prison A Cognitive Analysis of Religious Imagery in Poetry b= y > Reuven Tsur > www.tau.ac.il/~tsurxx/Kos...off_2.html >=20 > Mark Strand on Poetry and Poetics--from Essays and Interviews > www.english.uiuc.edu/maps...oetics.htm >=20 > Maxine Kumin: New Life in a Barn -interview in which Kumin reflects upon > nature, animals, feminism, and her poetry. Christian Science Monitor: > www.csmonitor.com >=20 > Men Hate Poetry: Douglas Jones' essay on why modern men shun poetry and h= ow > over the millenia, of course, men and poetry were inseparable. "Why Men > Hate Poetry" > gabiscott.com/mw2/review/...oetry.html >=20 > MILTON AND TINKY WINKY Savoy Magazine > www.savoymag.net/opinions/edit0063.htm >=20 > "Narcissus as Narcissus" Tate's essay on his own verse, as appeared in > Reason in Madness, 1938. > www.english.upenn.edu/~af...issus.html >=20 > Notes toward a Taxonomy of Literature by Bob Grumman > www.geocities.com/Soho/Ca...t-tax.html >=20 > On Contemporary American Poetry: A Review by James Rother > www.cprw.com/Rother/ocap.htm >=20 > Perhaps These Are Not Poetic Times At All > Poetry and Los Angeles at the Millennium by Brendan Bernhard > www.laweekly.com/printme.php3?&eid=3D8408 >=20 > POETRY and PROSE What sets poetry apart from prose? by John Amato > www2.prestel.co.uk/jordanhill/john1.htm >=20 > Poetry and the Public Sphere (many essays from > The Conference on Contemporary Poetry at Rutgers University) > english.rutgers.edu/titles.htm >=20 > Poetry Criticism: What is it for? marked the first in a new series of PSA > panels on contemporary poetics and poetry criticism. Moderated by poet > Susan Wheeler, the panel engaged critics Stephen Burt, Marjorie Perloff, > Michael Scharf and Helen Vendler in a provocative discussionof poetry > criticism today. > www.poetrysociety.org/jou...rloff.html >=20 > Poetry Harsh: A collection of scathing reviews, interviews and essays on > modern and contemporary poetry by Erich Vogel. > www.jps.net/erichv/harsh/ >=20 > Poetry of Play, Poetry of Purpose: The Continuity of American Language > Poetry by John R. Woznicki > www.moriapoetry.com/woznicki.htm >=20 > Public Heart: An Interview with Allen Ginsberg By Jim Moore > www.bookwire.com/hmr/REVIEW/moore.html > Selected Prose on Poetry: A Handbook > www.northshore.net/homepa...sages.html >=20 > Soul Cadence and the Social Poet by Mark Antony Rossi > www.nexus.org.nz/scribble/rross1.html >=20 > Style, Complexity, and the Love Poetry of E. E. Cummings by Alan Tranter > www.tranter63.freeserve.co.uk/ >=20 > Surrealism in Literature:Writing the Marvelous By Franklin Rosemont, > special to Britannica.com > britannica.com/bcom/origi...66,00.html >=20 > Resistance to The "New Poetry" by Louis Untermeyer 1923 > On Intellectual Obscurity in Poetry: Charles Edward Russell 1929 > The New Poetry: Trend or Fashion?: William Rose Ben=E9t "Mr. Moon=92s Noteboo= k" > 1928 > www.english.uiuc.edu/maps...istnew.htm >=20 > The Breakdown Of Criticism Before The Printed Deluge > www.cprw.com/Davis/breakdwn.htm >=20 > THE DEATH THROES OF ROMANTICISM:The Poetry of Sylvia Plath > by Joyce Carol Oates > www.usfca.edu/fac-staff/s...hroes.html >=20 > "The Genealogy of Postmodernism: Contemporary American Poetry" by Albert = Gelpi > dept.english.upenn.edu/~a...gelpi.html >=20 > THE POETS' CORNER RHYMERY: THE POETRY OF JOYCE KILMER > www.blockhead.com/kilmer.htm >=20 > The Reception of Maya Angelou's Poetry by Zofia Burr, George Mason Univer= sity > english.rutgers.edu/angelou.htm >=20 > The Sacred Wood Essays on Poetry and Criticism by T.S. Eliot > www.bartleby.com/200/ >=20 > The Tenth Muse: Teaching and Writing Poetry by Martin Harrison > www.gu.edu.au/school/art/...rrison.htm >=20 > "The Trouble with Mediocrity" by Carlo Parcelli > www.flashpointmag.com/mediocre.htm >=20 > What exactly is poetry and what makes a good poem? by Peter Davison, poet= ry > editor,The Atlantic Monthly > www.csmonitor.com/atcsmon...dpoem.html >=20 > What We Don't Talk About When We Talk About Poetry > writing.upenn.edu/epc/aut...f/lit.html >=20 > Words and Mirrors by Robert Kendall > www.eastgate.com/hypertex...rrors.html >=20 > Writing for the New Millennium The Birth of Electronic Literature by Robe= rt > Kendall > wordcircuits.com/kendall/.../pw1.htm#A Life >=20 > Writers on Writing: New York Times This is a complete archive of the > Writers on Writing column, a series in which writers explore literary the= mes. > www.nytimes.com/books/spe...iters.html >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > At 08:33 AM 8/25/2003 -0400, Gwyn McVay wrote: >> Dear Poeticists, >>=20 >> I have just been slapped with an extra section this fall, Writing for th= e >> Web, and know that there are buttloads of poetry hypertexts linked from >> the EPC and the works of Alan Sondheim (of whom I remain a fan, goddamni= t) >> and August Highland. >>=20 >> If anybody knows of a big fat concatenated group of links to such >> resources, and you send this to me front-channel or back, I will write a >> praise poem about you. >>=20 >> Bests, Gwyn McVay >>=20 >> --- >> "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." >> -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 >=20 > _____________________________________________________ >=20 > "To plunder, to slaughter, to steal, these things > they misname empire; and where they make > a wilderness, they call it peace." -- Tacitus >=20 >=20 > Gabriel Gudding > Assistant Professor of English > Illinois State University > Normal, IL 61790 > office 309.438.5284 > gmguddi@ilstu.edu >=20 > http://www.pitt.edu/~press/2002/gudding.html > http://gabrielgudding.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:04:55 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Komninos Zervos Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" saw your photo in the writers in the park anthology, (1986, sydney, australia) was that your first visit to australia? i am studying the period for my phd and wondered if you had sounded your work in similar venues in canada or the usa at that time. this seems to have been a period when literature was being introduced to public venues and general public audiences rather than writerly/readerly/publishery festivals etc. and would be interested to know what you thought of the writers in the park event and your experience of the australian poetry scene. i assume you had prior contact with australian poets, adamson, tranter etc as i think i have seen some of your work in journals like poetry magazine australia in the 70s. cheers komninos komninos zervos lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major School of Arts Griffith University Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 Gold Coast Campus Parkwood PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre Queensland 9726 Australia Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs http://spokenword.blog-city.com George Bowering Sent by: UB Poetics discussion group 26/08/2003 07:31 AM Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU cc: Subject: Re: utility problem >ah, lowdown, bovine and bromide, peekaboo in the peekskills...how the >memories come flooding back. geoogre, have you no shred of sediment >left for the olde daze? well... go with god. be well. be well. i >will be returning your jewelry the po box you specified. farewell, >my pretty. > You don't have to return the jewelry, dear heart. Don't you recall that you had to pay for it when my Visa card bounced? Some silliness about the spelling of my name. Hell, Bowering, I tried to tell the guy, is just another way of spelling Bromige. -- George Bowering Too many days without bourbon 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:05:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Kasey on the Beeb In-Reply-To: <200308251641.h7PGfgA03693@morse.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, did anybody else hear K. Silem (Kasey) Mohammad on the BBC, talking about flarf? I almost flipped my cookies! According to his blog Ron S. was interviewed too, so maybe I missed the beginning. ---------------------------------------------------------- Must write poems to fill the huge demand for them --Catherine Wagner Rachel Loden http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/ rloden@concentric.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:28:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Fw: new from housepress: SAN by Lawrence Upton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: derek beaulieu=20 To: jason christie=20 Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: new from housepress: SAN by Lawrence Upton housepress is please to announce the release of: SAN' by Lawrence Upton 24 pp, handbound. 75 numbered copies. ISBN 1-894174-90-9 $7.00 including postage. From the author's note: "San' was the title of a one off book, produced by painting and = collages, made as a present for Bob Cobbing on his 80th birthday, and = presented to him in September 2000 at A day for Bob Cobbing. The idea = was to really give something: I would no longer have it and did not = expect it to be published. After Bob's death, Jennifer - Bob's widow - = found the book among his possessions. At her suggestion, I borrowed it = and used it as the starting point for a new set of images in Bob's = memory. This is the new set of images. It retains a great deal of the = original. "San'" represents the way "sound" was said in the street in = the area in which I was brought up. This text, like the original given = to Cobbing, is for utterance and movement." About the author: Lawrence Upton's directionless career terminated with four years as = "Head of Academic Computing" at a Greater London college, from which he = retired due to ill health in 1996. He has been making poetry for nearly = four decades and is prolific in a variety of writing genres. He was a = member of "jgjgjg" and other performance groups; and produced = electro-acoustic pieces at West Square Studio. His collaboration and = performance practice has persisted and developed, with many colleagues = especially, latterly, the late Bob Cobbing. He co-edited the influential = anthology Word Score Utterance Choreography in verbal and visual poetry = (1998) with the late Bob Cobbing; and now he co-directs Writers Forum = Workshops and Writers Forum, the publishing imprint. =20 for more information, or to order copies, contact: derek beaulieu c/o housepress apt 205, 321 10th st NW calgary alberta canada t2n 1v7 403-234-0336 derek@housepress.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:32:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: News from Cuneiform MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable News from Cuneiform: Gregg Biglieri's Reading Keats to Sleep (10.5 x 13 cm. closed; unfolds = to 145 x 13 cm) is a single poem printed letterpress in 18 pt. Albion = from the Sherwood Collection. This hardcover, accordion-style book was = painted, colored and secured with marbled end-papers at the press during = the month of July, 2003 in a limited-edition of 40. His epic El Egg is = now archived at Eclipse in on-line = and PDF formats. Ron Silliman's review of this "book" appeared on his = blog on Monday August 18, 2003. Read more at: = . Also: A few copies of David Pavelich's Outlining are still available. = Pavelich's first chapbook is printed letterpress in 12 pt. Chancery = Light on handmade Zerkall Ingress paper. The dust-jacket is bright = yellow Ingress from the Fabriano Mills of Italy. Printed in copper, red, = purple, violet, black and blue inks and pamphlet-sewn in the month of = May, 2003.=20 Copies of the 2003 edition of Kiosk are also available. This year's = issue includes works by Louis Cabri, Abby Child, Rae Armantrout, Craig = Dworkin, Pattie McCarthy, Hannah Weiner and many others. Feature on = Leslie Fiedler includes contributions by Robert Creeley, Raymond = Federman,& Bill Sylvester. 292 pages perfect-bound with cover art by = Lara Odell. $4.00 The Perishable Press Limited: A Retrospective Exhibition (1964-2003). = This checklist was composed by Kyle Schlesinger for an exhibition of = titles from Walter Hamady's celebrated Perishable Press Limited. Hosted = by the Grolier Club from February 18 - April 26, 2003 with titles from = the collection of the Poetry/Rare Books Collection at SUNY Buffalo. Forthcoming titles include works by Andrew Levy, Robert Creeley, Gil = Ott, Derek Beaulieu and Mike Kelleher. And (finally) from the tablets to the web, visit Cuneiform at: = http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ for details on any of these titles. =20 Best as Ever, Kyle =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:44:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Kasey on the Beeb In-Reply-To: <004201c36b6e$25ad8810$210110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i tried to find it on the web after the fact, w/ no success. can someone blog it, or provide a transcript? this is an hystoric moment. At 6:05 PM -0700 8/25/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >Hey, did anybody else hear K. Silem (Kasey) Mohammad on the BBC, talking >about flarf? I almost flipped my cookies! > >According to his blog Ron S. was interviewed too, so maybe I missed the >beginning. > >---------------------------------------------------------- > >Must write poems to fill the huge demand for them > --Catherine Wagner > >Rachel Loden >http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/ >rloden@concentric.net -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:36:24 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Kasey on the Beeb In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The show must still be available somewhere out there. The BBC archives its most recent radio shows. Which show was it on? I just browsed their poetry shows to no avail.. I wanna know what flarf is too and I wanna know what K. Silem Mohammad sounds like! -Ben On 8/26/03 10:44 AM, "Maria Damon" wrote: > i tried to find it on the web after the fact, w/ no success. can > someone blog it, or provide a transcript? this is an hystoric moment. > > At 6:05 PM -0700 8/25/03, Rachel Loden wrote: >> Hey, did anybody else hear K. Silem (Kasey) Mohammad on the BBC, talking >> about flarf? I almost flipped my cookies! >> >> According to his blog Ron S. was interviewed too, so maybe I missed the >> beginning. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Must write poems to fill the huge demand for them >> --Catherine Wagner >> >> Rachel Loden >> http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/ >> rloden@concentric.net > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 21:59:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response In-Reply-To: <001501c36b38$3e71eca0$c7fdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good-- so someone on the list is thinking about this. I have spent allot of time over the past few months reading Italian, Russian and French poetry from the period 1906-1920 and it is very jarring comparing these poems to what came later. I have been frustrated in the current poetic conversation here on this listserv that we are spending too much time trying to revive old, tired ideas that are not relevant or are at least less relevant in light of the world we are now in. I totally reject the idea that we need to be in a 'holding pattern' Whitman, Eliot, Lorca, Alberti, Neruda, and many others were harbingers of the world that was created, not critics only. We need as poets to be challenging 'facts' and 'movements'Hollywood, Fiction and music are not going to do this because they are all co-opted by money and corporate interests but perhaps with poetry we can return to the center of discussions > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joel Weishaus > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:40 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > > > Alan: > > I fully agree with you on the importance these "new responses and > presences," and that poets and critics aren't giving them their due. They > address the medium on its own terms. They challenge our notion of what art > is in this Digital Age. But this reaction, this resistance, is as > old as art > itself. There were artists in the Upper Paleolithic who said, "What's that > crap on the walls?!" > > -Joel W. > > > > > Again I keep on saying and will keep on saying, there _are_ new > responses > > and presences, but _not_ from the more or less traditional poetics or > > poetry community; just look at the work on wryting, or that going on in > > the Unstable Digest etc. etc. etc. Many of us are working with > > distributivities, all sorts of language transformations and dynamics, > > performativities, laptop performance, codework, markov chains, etc. Look > > at Mez work, solipsis, Meskens, MWP, nn, etc. There's theory by Talan > > Memmott, Florian Cramer, Mez, and others. > > > > This is probably not writing that you would recognize as such, but it is > > certainly a poetry and poetics that is responsive to world-wide > > interconnectivity and it's holes, confusions, coherencies, > > inconsistencies, alphabetics, etc. And no, this is not post-Oulipo work, > > but semantics work, and it's occurring now, what what > constantly surprises > > me is how little this list, and other poetry/poetics lists > responds to it, > > as if the electronics, networking, languages, etc. etc. are > simply add-ons > > to tradition. > > > > Alan > > > > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/ > > http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt > > Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm > > finger sondheim@panix.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:01:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 21st century is already not the US's century but 9/11 is a moment of change, the idea of American Empire is silly what we have is a global elite empire made up of the same people in China the USA, Europe et cetera > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of George Bowering > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:22 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > > > > so where do we go from 9/11 > >if the 20th century began in Sarajevo in 1914 and ended in New York on > >9/11/2001 > > Well, this is to assume the 9/11/2001, or as most of the world says, > 11/9/2001, is that large an event. It certainly was a large event in > the USA, no question of that. But in that other countries face that > sort of thing over and over, one has to wonder whether maybe we > should wait a while to see what seems to be the event that heralded > the 21st century or whenever. It is possible that the 21st century > will not be the US's century. With the powerful brats in power there > now, and according to signs most of us have seen, the US empire may > be on the way out. Whether that happened as a result of 11/9/2001, > will be an interesting question. > -- > George Bowering > Too many days without bourbon > > 303 Fielden Ave. > Port Colborne. ON, > L3K 4T5 > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 20:30:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: Towards Waking MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Towards Waking Now resigned myself to the fallen trunk left hanging even on land Phantom leg: way to weigh it? * Is it because I seem quite sliced and tossed? Weaker and still, quietly dis- enraged -Jill Chan __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:09:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haas Bianchi" > Good-- so someone on the list is thinking about this. We are all thinking about it, how could one not? There is not one answer or one flavor of poetry we can all bandy about and show the world "poets mean business now!" Alan is correct -- his style indicates his stance, as my poetry indiactes my own standings as I am sure your poetry embodies your understanding of the post Pax Americana. In 30 years a grad student will look back on this time and say "Poet X" did this and said that and inspired by ways of this. Write poetry Haas, this is all we can do today. Best, Geoffrey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 00:50:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been pondering these lines of Duncan, from Ground Work, Before the War, in light of 9/11: men's Good "as naive and incoherent" as their Evil "experienced and lucid" Osama bin Laden may be considered good by certain Muslims and evil by us. His dissemination of evil is experienced and lucid and at the same time his thinking that it is good for Muslims is naive and incoherent. On the other hand, our invasion of Iraq may be considered good by us and evil by them. Our perpetration of this evil is experienced and lucid and at the same time our thinking that it is good for the Iraqis is naive and incoherent. Time is not divided up (Yeats). History is contemporaneous (Pound). Osama is merely a pirate (see my previous post about Wahhabism). Wolfowitz admitted it was all about oil. Let's put things into proportion (I'm not talking about time, so I don't say 'perspective'). Retail terrorism vs. wholesale terrorism(Chomsky). We'll get thru this once Bush and Blair are seen as typical politicians, LIARS. Pound finally admitted he was, and I quote, a "moron." He said it was all about GREED. He pointed to the ground and said, "This is hell." Olson referred to oil as that "silly sediment." But then, it is the Crusaders and Zionists vs. the Muslims. I don't think my rabid Catholic friend would care whether Bush lied. We have to protect Israel, the Holy Land. So, we get back to Pound's, all history is contemporaneous. We are having another Crusade. (I don't agree with him at all.) I can't stand living here in the U.S. any more. Like what Leonard Cohen sang about America, "I love the country, but I can't stand the scene." Matt ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:19:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: s.a. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII s.a. breaking breaking destroy destroy reduced reduced partnership partnership meet meet what what urgent urgent take take copy copy pocket pocket free free refinance refinance overstocked overstocked dont dont jump jump wanna wanna did did receipt receipt free free consolidate consolidate destroy destroy expand expand raise raise amazing amazing millionaire millionaire be be guaranteed guaranteed make make free free breaking breaking special special master master minimize minimize advance advance get get get get what what need need kind kind increase increase refinance refinance get get __ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 01:20:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Swoon of code memory she is beside herself MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Swoon of code memory she is beside herself n http://www.asondheim.org/portal/swoon.exe Private Sub Command1_Click() Stop Cls End Sub Rem Please note orphan Rem from previous versions Private Sub Form_Click() Rem MsgBox "RAM Problematic", vbCritical, "Error" Rem No MsgBox no Command1 z = -2: x = 0 j = z k = x p = 1 two: j = z k = x If t < 16 Then t = t + 1 Else GoTo three x = x - 1 + z / 16 p = p + 1 q = 2 * t / 20 If j + 24 > ScaleWidth Then j = j + t / 64 If z + Cos(x) / 36 + 16 > ScaleWidth Then z = z + t / 64 PSet (j / 2, (k * Cos(k) + 0.25) / 2), Point(j + 24, (k * Cos(k) + 0.25) + 24) PSet (z * Cos(z) / 36, x / 2), Point(z * Cos(z) / 36 + 16, x + 16) GoTo two three: x = 0 z = z + 0.05 t = 1 If x > ScaleWidth Then x = y / 2 If y > ScaleHeight Then y = x / 2 A = p Mod 100000 Rem If A < 4 Then MsgBox "Resources Low", vbCritical, "Error" Rem Nothing here and no bother with p Mod for that matter If p > 350000 Then GoTo four GoTo two four: End Sub ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:10:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Silem Mohammad" Subject: Re: BBC & Flarf In-Reply-To: <200308260102.19RvY44fn3Nl3pw0@timothy.mail.atl.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A couple of people asked whether my Flarf interview Saturday the 24th on BBC World Service radio was or will be archived. I don't know. I sent an e-mail to the person who originally contacted me, so maybe I'll hear something soon. Or maybe not. Lest anyone build it up too much, the excerpts from the original 5 minutes or so of conversation that finally made it onto the air basically consist of me reading the last 4 or 5 lines of "Stupidity Owns Me" from COMBO 12, and then explaining that Flarf is intentionally bad poetry that involves Google search text results, and the interviewer saying, yes, but is it art, and me saying, why yes, it is art, and her saying, prove it, then me saying something about the collaborative process etc. etc. The best part was the interviewer's Irish accent. "Flarrruf." Kasey ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:30:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: The Four-Chambered Heart #0001 - #0006 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Four-Chambered Heart #0001 - #0006 who formed part of who formed part of walk, all acquirements of acquirements of scalp as I walk, all walk, all who formed part of completely blocked it. I went to those it. I went to those hit off of it handed hit off of it handed hit off of it handed it. I went to those should be strangely who had persuaded me who had persuaded me in which you have Justine. As the Justine. 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It is a wireless station The Four-Chambered Heart #0006 the Bohemia of the Bohemia of She wrapped her hand don't you go home don't you go home only thing that She wrapped her hand She wrapped her hand the Bohemia of sight of the bridge Murger, with the Murger, with the Snowdon Ranger. He in the kitchen grate, in the kitchen grate, distract him. He is Snowdon Ranger. He Snowdon Ranger. He Murger, with the the habitual guests, workhouse at the workhouse at the fields, gray stone playing Croppies Lie playing Croppies Lie love. But to fields, gray stone fields, gray stone workhouse at the policeman who to her waist, her to her waist, her from the check- without meeting or without meeting or themselves?" from the check- from the check- to her waist, her much she had hurt me gait free and easy gait free and easy stopped in the Rue of the party had any of the party had any always been stopped in the Rue stopped in the Rue gait free and easy Highness. Once there like a boy's, like a boy's, ambassador. You'll ambassador. You'll one of the seed of like a boy's, skin as I gasped aroused some aroused some as usual. We were our state. I our state. I England. as usual. We were as usual. We were aroused some friend, I am going suitor attacked with suitor attacked with turn to ridicule deed. I had deed. I had except M. le Duc, turn to ridicule turn to ridicule suitor attacked with with Richard the mulberry-rudiments of an mulberry-rudiments of an these were his noble insulting. It insulting. It managed to plant these were his noble these were his noble mulberry-rudiments of an inn and dined. The other advantages other advantages please just tell me, lost, or fails to lost, or fails to ripped them off of please just tell me, please just tell me, other advantages may be you never they had they had the altar, and English; all of them English; all of them expedition. Leaving the altar, and the altar, and they had He was too lighted windows lighted windows antiquities, and time went time went Then they would go antiquities, and antiquities, and lighted windows august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:35:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Anatomy Of The Western World #0002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anatomy Of The Western World #0002 Did spred so broad that heauens light did hide/Assure your selfe it fell not all to ground/And eke the Graces seemed all to sing/At night doth baite his steedes the Ocean waues emong/Vpon his foe a Dragon horrible and stearne/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/And with false shewes abuse his fantasy. And angry Ioue an hideous storme of raine/That nigh his manly hart did melt away/Strangle her else she sure will strangle thee/And ouer all a blacke stole she did throw/He stayde his hand and gan himselfe aduise/With that misformed spright he backe returnd againe/Whiles sad night ouer him her mãtle black doth spred/Yet kindling rage her selfe she gathered round. What frayes ye that were wont to comfort me affrayd/And with new day new worke at once begin/Long way he trauelled before he heard of ought/That makes them doubt their wits be not their owne/Ye all forwearied be for what so strong/From turning backe and forced her to stay/Their scepters stretcht from East to Westerne shore/Hymen iô hymen dauncing all around/Hauing all satisfide their bloudy thurst/When weening to returne whence they did stray/Tho wrapping vp her wrethed sterne arownd/And eke the Graces seemed all to sing. Did spred so broad that heauens light did hide/Ne let vaine feares procure your needlesse smart/Fly to your faith for succour and sure ayde/Be well aware quoth then that ladie milde/What frayes ye that were wont to comfort me affrayd/That nigh his manly hart did melt away/Which when the valiant elfe perceiu'd he lept/Sweet slõbring deaw the which to sleepe them biddes/All cleane dismayd to see so vncouth sight/And dead as liuing euer him ador'd/In siluer deaw his euer-drouping hed/And fittest for to forge true-seeming lyes. Vntroubled night they say giues counsell best/And rushed forth hurling her hideous taile/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/Yea but quoth she the perill of this place/Yea but quoth she the perill of this place/Or the blind God that doth me thus amate/God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endlesse traine/For whose defence he was to shed his blood/They cannot finde that path which first was showne/A cloud of combrous gnattes do him molest. Right faithfull true he was in deede and word/The one vpon his hardy head him plast/Tho can she weepe to stirre vp gentle ruth/At length it brought them to a hollow caue/That euery wight to shrowd it did constrain/So liuely and so like in all mens sight/His gall did grate for griefe and high disdaine/Of a straunge man I can you tidings tell/Or wearied with bearing of her bag/Of needments at his backe thus as they past/Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame/The stroke down frõ her head vnto her shoulder glaunst/So slyding softly forth she turnd as to her ease/And mightie causes wrought in heauen aboue. In secret anguish and vnpittied plaint/That soone to loose her wicked bands did her constraine/That welnigh choked with the deadly stinke/Whose double gates he findeth locked fast/The noblest mind the best contentment has/They saw so rudely falling to the ground/When ruddy Phoebus gins to welke in west/And mightie causes wrought in heauen aboue/Be well aware quoth then that ladie milde/That from her body full of filthie sin/He faire the knight saluted louting low/Strangle her else she sure will strangle thee. The same so sore annoyed has the knight/Most lothsom filthie foule and full of vile disdaine/Hauing yrockt a sleepe his irkesome spright/In siluer deaw his euer-drouping hed/In this great passion of vnwonted lust/And all the world in their subiection held/Is wisely to aduise now day is spent/A diuerse dreame out of his prison darke. Seemed in heart some hidden care she had/Tho wrapping vp her wrethed sterne arownd/Threatning her angry sting him to dismay/He told of Saintes and Popes and euermore/And low where dawning day doth neuer peepe/And shall you well reward to shew the place/God helpe the man so wrapt in Errours endlesse traine/Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame. That troublous dreame gan freshly tosse his braine/A-waite whereto their seruice he applyes/With bowres and beds and ladies deare delight/Her vomit full of bookes and papers was/Much can they prayse the trees so straight and hy/Soone as that vncouth light vpon them shone/Weening their wonted entrance to haue found/The warlike Beech the Ash for nothing ill/Hauing yrockt a sleepe his irkesome spright/Now when that ydle dreame was to him brought. Downe in a dale hard by a forests side/Full iolly knight he seemd and faire did sitt/As much disdayning to the curbe to yield/The forward footing for an hidden shade/Of highest God the Lord of life and light/Captiu'd to fortune and frayle worldly feares/A floud of poyson horrible and blacke/And low where dawning day doth neuer peepe/And often knockt his brest as one that did repent/He thought haue slaine her in his fierce despight. Now when that ydle dreame was to him brought/But with his clownish hands their tender wings/Sober he seemde and very sagely sad/And all attonce her beastly body raizd/Did poure into his Lemans lap so fast/Ah my deare Sonne quoth he how should alas/She was in life and euery vertuous lore. And well could file his tongue as smooth as glas/He taught to imitate that Lady trew/Eftsoones dismounted from his courser braue/And all attonce her beastly body raizd/And angry Ioue an hideous storme of raine/Most like that virgin true which for her knight him took/And she her selfe of beautie soueraigne queene/Or wearied with bearing of her bag/Yet kindling rage her selfe she gathered round/But wander too and fro in wayes vnknowne. Suspect her truth yet since no' vntruth he knew/In this great passion of vnwonted lust/Bidding his beades all day for his trespas/And said faire knight borne vnder happy starre/Did spred so broad that heauens light did hide/The one faire fram'd of burnisht Yuory/To Morpheus house doth hastily repaire/Lo there before his face his Lady is/That wasteth all this countrey farre and neare/And looked in his glistring armor made/And more to lulle him in his slumber soft/He brusheth oft and oft doth mar their murmurings. That which of them to take in diuerse doubt they been/Rest is their feast and all things at their will/Much can they prayse the trees so straight and hy/The messenger approching to him spake/Which swarming all about his legs did crall/Long way he trauelled before he heard of ought/That greatest Glorious Queene of Faerie lond/His dwelling is by which no liuing wight/Which swarming all about his legs did crall/A diuerse dreame out of his prison darke/Then rudely he him thrust and pusht with paine/A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine/Soone as that vncouth light vpon them shone/And looked in his glistring armor made. Huge heapes of mudd he leaues wherein there breed/Shall I accuse the hidden cruell fate/A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine/Vpon his shield the like was also scor'd/And ouerflow each plaine and lowly dale/Least suddaine mischiefe ye too rash prouoke/Then of the certaine perill he stood in/That greatest Gloriana to him gaue/Or wearied with bearing of her bag. To see th'vnkindly Impes of heauen accurst/Rest is their feast and all things at their will/So liuely and so like in all mens sight/That euery wight to shrowd it did constrain/He seekes out mighty charmes to trouble sleepy mindes/Who all this while with charmes and hidden artes/Silly old man that liues in hidden cell/The fruitfull oliue and the platane round/In sort as he him schooled priuily/He making speedy way through spersed ayre/Sweet slõbring deaw the which to sleepe them biddes/Tydings of warre and worldly trouble tell. So sound he slept that nought mought him awake/Gathred themselues about her body round/By them the Sprite doth passe in quietly/With that misformed spright he backe returnd againe/The noblest mind the best contentment has/In trauell to and froe a little wyde/He would not shend but said Deare dame I rew/A Gentle Knight was pricking on the plaine/And all attonce her beastly body raizd. The caruer holme the maple seeldom inward sound/Ne euer would to any by-way bend/Sir knight with-hold till further triall made/That for my sake vnknowne such griefe vnto you grew/The same so sore annoyed has the knight/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde/Her vomit full of bookes and papers was/But when his later spring gins to auale/And proou'd your strength on a strong enimie. A streame of cole black bloud forth gushed frõ her corse/May euer passe but thorough great distresse/Thus ill bestedd and fearefull more of shame/The cruell markes of many' a bloudy fielde/When weening to returne whence they did stray/Of such as drunke her life the which them nurst/Yea but quoth she the perill of this place. Pointed with mortall sting of her there bred/Die is my dew yet rew my wretched state/Yet was in knots and many boughtes vpwound/Assure your selfe it fell not all to ground/As still are wont t'annoy the walled towne/Hauing yrockt a sleepe his irkesome spright/The deare remembrance of his dying Lord/Hauing all satisfide their bloudy thurst/Their scepters stretcht from East to Westerne shore/When weening to returne whence they did stray/Wringing her hands in wemens pitteous wise. Wherein the hermite dewly wont to say/A little lowly Hermitage it was/The caruer holme the maple seeldom inward sound/Then choosing out few wordes most horrible/Vnder blake stole hyding her bayted hooke/Of sundry shapes yet all ill fauored/Much grieu'd to thinke that gentle Dame so light/Then with the sunne take sir your timely rest/With which and other spelles like terrible. Had made a lady of that other spright/As still are wont t'annoy the walled towne/The deare remembrance of his dying Lord/Vntill the blustring storme is ouerblowne/Of straunge aduentures which abroad did pas/And euer as he rode his hart did earne/Captiu'd to fortune and frayle worldly feares/The day with cloudes was suddeine ouercast/That for my sake vnknowne such griefe vnto you grew/And with new day new worke at once begin/And by descent from Royall lynage came/And creeping sought way in the weedy gras/And all the world in their subiection held/And homebred euill ye desire to heare. To see th'vnkindly Impes of heauen accurst/Her huge long taile her den all ouerspred/Markes which do byte their hasty supper best/He strowd an aue-mary after and before/So pure and innocent as that same lambe/His angry steede did chide his foming bitt/The one faire fram'd of burnisht Yuory/That wasteth all this countrey farre and neare/And wakefull dogges before them farre do lye/Cride out Now now Sir knight shew what ye bee/Long way he trauelled before he heard of ought. Yet was in knots and many boughtes vpwound/Pointed with mortall sting Of her there bred/The one of them he gaue a message too/His Lady sad to see his sore constraint/Fly to your faith for succour and sure ayde/He thought haue slaine her in his fierce despight/Add faith vnto your force and be not faint/And all the world in their subiection held/His gall did grate for griefe and high disdaine. august highland muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:41:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Momentary Loss of Belief in the Wisdom of the Common People and a Curse on the Bastards Who Own and Operate Them "War is the continuation of policy by other means." So said Von Clausewitz. But war is also The continuation of false consciousness And falsified policy and politics And greed masked as bourgeois generosity By the falsified desires of American imperialism By presidents wedded to cowboys and missiles By chauvinist beer salesmen peddling the stars and stripes by the six-pack By the trained psychopathic liars of the State Department By simple-minded sods in all fifty states By the born-simple clergy and suckers of religion By the bearded dons and Ph.D. dumdums of Academia By painters selling third-hand Da Da at fancy prices By poets who have forgot their songs in their gilded cages By farmers sold out and put on the road and still finding their enemy in Nicaragua or El Salvador By workers given their walking papers for life and their heads still so unscrewed they think the enemy is Russia or Communism By housewives pissing their pants and dreaming of Red Terror Or hijackers invading Podunk By other means. Politics is the continuation of war by other means. And now, you celebrated American jackasses: You still want war? Go let a hole in the head shed light on your darkling brain-- Remember Vietnam? Go and be damned! But don't count on me for nothing you righteous stupid sons of bitches! --Thomas McGrath fr. *Death Song* [Port Townsend: Copper Canyon Press, 1991] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 08:15:22 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: FW: flarfoholics anonymous MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Lester Oracle [mailto:lester@proximate.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 8:12 AM To: Patrick Herron Subject: flarfoholics anonymous http://lesters.blogspot.com flarf is dead they said long live flarf er old norse for beginners: a play in one act: a flarf play in four acts by k silem mohammad, k silem mohammad, k silem mohammad, and patrick herron, with a cast of thousands represented by a few deadheadese flarf baby talk flarf the moral is a rap flarf cyberflarf 50 ways to leave your flarf poetry.com flarf rootin' tootin' flarf oprah bookclub flarf -the frontier- flarfilism ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:59:04 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: A Blaser Creeley {of} READING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT > >THE LITERARY EVENT OF THE YEAR! > >A Blaser Creeley {of} READING > >Presented by The Capilano Review > >Thursday 11 September 2003 > >Vancouver East Cultural Centre 1895 Venables > >Doors Open 7pm; Reading 8 pm > >Tickets $11/$6 Students plus applicable service charges > >At Duthie Books on Fourth Avenue & Ticketmaster 604 280-3311 >www.ticketmaster.ca >An epochal poetry reading by two masters, long companions in the art of >letters and friendship, The Capilano Review is privileged to present this >"ABC {of} Reading" with Robin Blaser and Robert Creeley. > >Born on May 18, 1925, Robin Blaser was a key figure in the San Francisco >Renaissance in the late 50s. He came to prominence, along with John >Ashbery, Robert Duncan, Robert Creeley, and Jack Spicer, in Donald Allen's >ground-breaking anthology The New American Poetry 1945-1960. In 1966, he >took up a teaching post at the newly opened Simon Fraser University and is >now Professor Emeritus. He became a Canadian citizen over 30 years ago. >Poet, scholar and teacher, Blaser has been a mentor to writers, poets and >intellectuals worldwide. He is the author of many books of poetry, mainly >collected in The Holy Forest (Coach House, 1993). A celebration of >Blaser's work, The Recovery of the Public World: Essays on Poetics in >Honour of Robin Blaser edited by Charles Watts and Edward Byrne, was >published in 1998, following the international conference of the same name >held in Vancouver. An opera lover, Blaser wrote the remarkable and >acclaimed libretto for The Last Supper, created with Sir Harrison >Birtwhistle, which premiered in Berlin (2001) and at Glyndebourne >(2002). Most recently, Even on Sunday: Essays, Readings, and Archival >Materials on the Poetry and Poetics of Robin Blaser, With New Work, edited >by Miriam Nichols, was published by the National Poetry Foundation (2002). > >The Truth Is Laughter 3 >blindly visited >Vancouver street >high heels >and cherry trees >he leans forward >everyday, >brown eyes >sharp with >delirium >at the corner >by the Hudson's Bay >around his neck >the mystery and >the crucifix >the mystery >is tender >that's why >he likes it >we go >around him, >sparrows, >everyday >Copyright © 2002 Robin Blaser > >Born on May 21, 1926, Robert Creeley is a New Englander by birth and >disposition although he has spent most of his life in other parts of the >world, including Guatemala, British Columbia, France and Spain. In the >1950s, at the invitation of Charles Olson, he edited The Black Mountain >Review and taught at Black Mountain College, a crucial gathering place for >alternative senses of writing at that time. Through the Black Mountain >Review and his own critical writings, Creeley helped to define an emerging >counter-tradition to the literary establishment-a postwar poetry >originating with Pound, Williams, and Zukofsky and expanding through the >lives and works of Olson, Robert Duncan, Allen Ginsberg, Denise Levertov, >Edward Dorn, and others. Subsequently, he taught at the University of New >Mexico and in 1966 went to SUNY at Buffalo. Although most identified as a >poet (For Love, Windows, Life & Death, and Just in Time are examples of >his more than sixty books of poetry), he has written a significant body of >prose including a novel, The Island, and a collection of stories, The Gold >Diggers, as well as numerous essays. He is also known for the diversity of >his collaborations with artists outside his own disciplines. Creeley was >elected a Chancellor of the Academy of American Poets in 1999 and served >as New York State Laureate from 1989 to 1991. Among his other honors are >the Frost Medal, two Guggenheim Fellowships, the Shelley Memorial Award, >grants from the Rockefeller Foundation and the National Endowment for the >Arts, and the recently awarded Lannan Foundation Lifetime Achievement >Award; this year he has accepted a Professorship at Brown University in >Providence, R.I. > >Love, if you love me, >Lie next to me. >Be for me, like rain, >The getting out >Of the tiredness, the fatuousness, >The semi-lust of intentional indifference. >Be wet >With a decent happiness. > >Robert Creeley >[The Rain] > > > >-- >Carol L. Hamshaw >Managing Editor >The Capilano Review >604-984-1712 > >http://www.capcollege.bc.ca/dept/TCR > >For submission guidelines, please see > >http://www.capcollege.bc.ca/dept/TCR/submit.html ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:00:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: BBC & Flarf In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" modesty becomes you, sir flarfalot, but the people want access. the people demand their flarf. do let us know if you find out where it's archived and how to access the archive. xo, md At 11:10 PM -0700 8/25/03, K. Silem Mohammad wrote: >A couple of people asked whether my Flarf interview Saturday the 24th on BBC >World Service radio was or will be archived. I don't know. I sent an >e-mail to the person who originally contacted me, so maybe I'll hear >something soon. Or maybe not. > >Lest anyone build it up too much, the excerpts from the original 5 minutes >or so of conversation that finally made it onto the air basically consist of >me reading the last 4 or 5 lines of "Stupidity Owns Me" from COMBO 12, and >then explaining that Flarf is intentionally bad poetry that involves Google >search text results, and the interviewer saying, yes, but is it art, and me >saying, why yes, it is art, and her saying, prove it, then me saying >something about the collaborative process etc. etc. > >The best part was the interviewer's Irish accent. "Flarrruf." > >Kasey -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:05:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Bowery Poetry Club: Semezdin Mehmedinovic & Ammiel Alcalay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From Ammiel Alcalay, please forward- SEMEZDIN MEHMEDINOVIC, ONE OF BOSNIA'S MOST PREEMINENT AUTHORS, READS = FROM HIS NEW COLLECTION NINE ALEXANDRIAS, AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB, = SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 7, 4:00PM Ammiel Alcalay, translator of NINE ALEXANDRIAS and author of MEMORIES OF = OUR FUTURE and many other books, will also read.=20 Following his depiction of Bosnia under siege in the much celebrated = Sarajevo Blues, Semezdin Mehmedinovic now explores the vast space of his = new continent. In this nightmarish and exhilarating odyssey, Mehmedinovic's political = acuity is displayed everywhere but barely pronounced. In Washington = D.C., his new home, the graphic and tactile affirmation of life amidst = horror depicted so masterfully in Sarajevo Blues, turns into an eerie = silence that permeates both the expanse of the land and the heart of the = American empire. "In this remarkable sleight of hand that never becomes generically = 'fictional,' Mehmedinovic's narrator holds to the pulse of the real by = protecting us from what he has seen and known in another life. This is a = very different kind of witness, one that has as much to reveal to the = initiated as to the uninitiated, to those who don't." - Ammiel Alcalay, = from the introduction to Nine Alexandrias Mehmedinovic arrived in the U.S. as a political refugee in 1996. His = articles, poems, and essays have been translated and published in = leading European and American newspapers and magazines. Sarajevo Blues = was translated into Slovenian and published by Nova revija in 1995. In = 1998, City Lights published Sarajevo Blues, translated by Ammiel = Alcalay, and in 1999, a translation was published in Germany. = Mehmedinovic is still working as a columnist for Dani (Days), the = magazine Mehmedinovic started with friends and sold on the streets of = Bosnia under aerial bombardment, mortar-attack and shelling, amidst = sniper-fire through three and half years of war. Sunday, September 7th, 4:00 PM The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery St., New York, NY 10012 212.614.0505 www.bowerypoetry.com=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:37:39 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: jordan davis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi, I've got this friend see, and he wants to know how he would get a copy of Jordan Davis' new book. YOu see, this friend doesn't have a credit card so he would gladly pop some american dollars into a plain vanilla envelope if someone could tell him where to send it to. oh, yeah this friend lives in canada so the postage might be a bit more than normal or to Normal Ill. Thanks, Kevin for a "friend" -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:27:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: ebbe borregaard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I got word this morning that Ebbe Borregaard "has a cabinet making shop in Sonoma and is reported to be in good health." -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 07:57:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: <000b01c36bde$2fb049e0$eefdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:27 AM -0700 8/26/03, Joel Weishaus wrote: >I got word this morning that Ebbe Borregaard "has a cabinet making shop in >Sonoma and is reported to be in good health." > >-Joel W. I hate to be one of those people who can't be bothered to read all the way back to the beginning of the thread, but there it is. If there's someone who wants Borregaard's address he or she can back channel me and I'll pass it along to you. As several have remembered, he gave his first reading in many years (30?) at Small Press Traffic a few years back when we were celebrating the re-release of the NEW AMERICAN POETRY anthology. His legend was that he was the last "student" at Black Mountain College--running away from home as a teenager, he arrived at BMC on the very day they locked up the place and unable to believe this turn of events, he sat on the doorstep piteously and everyone felt sorry for him & taught him a few things before saying goodbye. -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:23:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Quartermain Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And as I recall Duncan wrote the script of his wedding ceremony. His little book of "Sketches for thirteen sonnets" by "Gerard Boar" elegantly printed by, hmmm, was it Clifford Burke? (or was it published by Oyez?), shouldn't be too hard to find - in libraries if not via the net. Peter Q ======================================= -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin Killian Sent: 26-August-2003 7:57 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: ebbe borregaard At 7:27 AM -0700 8/26/03, Joel Weishaus wrote: >I got word this morning that Ebbe Borregaard "has a cabinet making shop in >Sonoma and is reported to be in good health." > >-Joel W. I hate to be one of those people who can't be bothered to read all the way back to the beginning of the thread, but there it is. If there's someone who wants Borregaard's address he or she can back channel me and I'll pass it along to you. As several have remembered, he gave his first reading in many years (30?) at Small Press Traffic a few years back when we were celebrating the re-release of the NEW AMERICAN POETRY anthology. His legend was that he was the last "student" at Black Mountain College--running away from home as a teenager, he arrived at BMC on the very day they locked up the place and unable to believe this turn of events, he sat on the doorstep piteously and everyone felt sorry for him & taught him a few things before saying goodbye. -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:23:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Apollinaire! Apollinaire! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! -- PATHOLOGIES OF NORMAL BEHAVIOR by Buck Downs -- Hobohemian Rhapsody -- Magdalena's teen poem -- miniaturized Spicer and more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit all this and more on THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:52:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: jordan davis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aren't there some sellers who use paypal? My problem getting the book is even more difficult as I won't have the cash until next month and don' even know the title. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: jordan davis > hi, > > I've got this friend see, and he wants to know how he would get a copy of > Jordan Davis' new book. YOu see, this friend doesn't have a credit card so > he would gladly pop some american dollars into a plain vanilla envelope if > someone could tell him where to send it to. oh, yeah this friend lives in > canada so the postage might be a bit more than normal or to Normal Ill. > > Thanks, > Kevin for a "friend" > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:06:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: "Details"??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It is one of the headers invo;lved in my constant mailings that tell me that my message to someone I never heard of might be infected. I have a Mac, Why should i worry? >I've received it only once - today. One of the senders was a woman >at my university, but there wasn't an attachment once I opened the >document. We got word of a computer virus at the school, and five >computers were infected, but I have a mac and wasn't hit. A mystery, >but I trashed them all. >Annie Pluto > >>Yes, I've got it twice in the last couple of days. I simply trashed it. >>It pretends to be addressed to me personally but doesn't know any more >>than the signature my server recognises - i.e. it's obviously a >>mass-mailoing = spam or a form thereof; it does not know my name. My >>computer tells me it's (hmmm. I think it does anyway - I can't >>remember) a movie clip, or a tiff, or something like that. I never open >>those anyway without advance notice from the sender. >> >>So trash it. It's some idiot who really wants to be nuisance; e-mails >>are always disposable, including this one from me. >> >>My basic principle: if I don't know the sender, trash it. >> >>I do not think ANYone has the automatic "liberty" to intrude into my >>life, invade my mailbox - either snailbox or "virtual" - for let's call >>them ulterior purposes, any more than they have the "liberty" to hector >>and bully me in the street. There's a heck of a lot of woolly and >>dangerous daftness surrounding that dangerous word liberty - I will say >>nothing about the meaning of "freedom" south of the 49th.... >> >>Peter the curmudge. >>======================================= >>"Weebit injustice is impiety; so's big." >>Marcus Aurelius. Meditations IX.1 >> ======================================= >>Peter Quartermain >>846 Keefer Street >>Vancouver B.C. >>Canada V6A 1Y7 >> >>voice 604 255 8274 >>fax 604 255 8204 >>quarterm@interchange.ubc.ca >>======================================= >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>On Behalf Of Stephen Vincent >>Sent: 19-August-2003 1:56 PM >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: "Details"??? >> >>Is anyone else getting proliferated by emails with something about >>"details" >>that includes an attachment with the request to open, etc. >>I don't want to open no unexplained nothing! >>So help me out if I am being an anti-viral curmudgeon. >>This day has had already had enough killer extremism in defence of >>liberty! >>Absolutely dreadful. Full. >> >>Stephen Vincent > > >-- -- George Bowering Too many days without bourbon 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:35:06 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clifford Duffy Subject: Borreaard and Spicer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed .Turns out Borregaard and Spicer were part of the same circle of poets etc for a period. I am just now readin this biography of Jack Spicer and saw a photo of Borregaard... I am not nearly half ways thru the book so I have no more news.... In those days he had a beard and looks tall and lanky from the photo, or rather, tall and bony. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:41:49 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: TEN, a celebratory chappie new from above/ground press celebrating 10 years in 2003 ----- TEN a 10th anniversary chapbook featuring "ten" poems by various above/ground press alumni publisht for a tenth anniversary party at 3 Kings Pub, Holland Avenue, Ottawa, August 28, 2003 with poems by: Eleni Zisimatos Auerbach (Montreal), Aidan Baker (Toronto), John Barton (Ottawa), John M. Bennett (Columbus, Ohio), Stephen Brockwell (Ottawa), George Elliott Clarke (Toronto), Shannon Cowan (Errington, BC), Michael Dennis (Ottawa), Anita Dolman (Ottawa), Susan Elmslie (Montreal), m erskine (Toronto), Jon Paul Fiorentino (Montreal), ryan fitzpatrick (Ogden, Calgary), Natalie Hanna (Ottawa), Matthew Holmes (Toronto), Warren Layberry (Ottawa), A.J. Levin (Toronto), Gil McElroy (Colborne, Ontario), rob mclennan (Ottawa), Colin Morton (Ottawa), Sheila E. Murphy (Phoenix, Arizona), Sharon H. Nelson (Montreal), Ken Norris (Orono, Maine), Meredith Quartermain (Vancouver) & Andy Weaver (Edmonton). ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' a complimentary copy. to order, send $5 (+ $1 for postage, or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= starting January 1st, 2003 - above/ground press - $30 (Canadian) per calendar year for chapbooks, asides + broadsheets (non-Canadian, $30 US). current & forthcoming publications by shannon bramer, Andy Weaver, Artie Gold, rob mclennan, Nelson Ball, Julia Williams, Gil McElroy, Donato Mancini, Barry McKinnon & others. payable to rob mclennan. (while supplies last) STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Lisa Samuels, Meredith Quartermain & Aaron Peck. bibiography on-line. ======= also, check out the catalog page for GROUNDSWELL: the best of above/ground press, 1993-2003, edited by rob mclennan with an introduction by Stephen Cain, published by Broken Jaw Press as cauldron books #4. includes a complete bibliography of the press from the beginning to 2002, & reprints work by Stephanie Bolster, jwcurry, John Newlove, Michelle Desberets, Dennis Cooley, meghan jackson, carla milo, rob mclennan, George Bowering, etc. in both trade book & PDF version. http://www.brokenjaw.com/catalog/pg82.htm ========== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:22:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: irving weiss Subject: Re: nonce-words In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > If anybody has examples of nonce-words either in the dictionary already or > else "live" I'd like to know what they are! > > The Century Dictionary Online on "nonce-word": "A word coined and used only > for the nonce, or for the particular occasion. Nonce-words, suggested by the > context arising out of momentary caprice, are numerous in English. They are > usually indicated as such by the context. Some are admitted into this > dictionary for historical or literary reasons, but most of them require or > deserve no serious notice." > > Thanks! > > forever indebted! > > Louis! The best known ought to be "aroint," as in "Aroint thee, witch!," Macbeth, and I think also in Lear. Found only in Shakespeare, and at least one more time in a poem I published in Pivot long ago. All to the good, Irving Weiss http://members.tripod.com/~sialbach/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:12:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Satis Verborum Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed an alpha ray is a contrary Edwardian head insert magnetic penury shotgun systole, tubby wrist Malaysia neuter next of kin rigorous love petroleum religiously vibraphone morning-glory? nah, sing terminal thru a handlebar moustache, you galley-proof ham, from sling-shot ("Quid nunc, Uncle?") PETUNIA to stuck-up sphere, from sea to shi-ning SEA ...... _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:13:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Trigger Had Not Tasted Other Recluses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed you own sufficient stock in characteristics, vague Roman statesman in the words of a sudden upward Summer's conspicuous mercilessness, "Time passed in reading is: A FOREIGN ELEMENT." is a reserved seat for upright timbers - in artwork, or other color work, a sudden collapse, hazardous, is A FOREIGN ELEMENT _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:19:28 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Two of the Parts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One part of the art of living involves knowing when to duck Another part of the art of living turns on learning how to breathe Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 15:59:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Borreaard and Spicer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Duffy" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Borreaard and Spicer > .Turns out Borregaard and Spicer were part of the same circle of poets etc > for a period. I am just now readin this biography of Jack Spicer and saw a > photo of Borregaard... I am not nearly half ways thru the book so I have no > more news.... > > In those days he had a beard > and looks tall and lanky from the photo, or rather, tall and bony. Ebbe worked with Jack Boise on the house Jack was building in Bolinas for himself and Joanne Kyger, to whom he was married. One day Jack, a bit drunk, fell from a beam and died. I was away at the time and hadn't heard the news. When I returned, I asked, "Has anyone seen Jack?" Faces turned pale. Bolinas was pretty weird with ghosts at the time. -Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:08:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response In-Reply-To: <001201c36b87$dfef8840$605e3318@LINKAGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am writing away > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Geoffrey Gatza > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 11:10 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Haas Bianchi" > > > > Good-- so someone on the list is thinking about this. > > We are all thinking about it, how could one not? There is not one > answer or > one flavor of poetry we can all bandy about and show the world "poets mean > business now!" Alan is correct -- his style indicates his stance, as my > poetry indiactes my own standings as I am sure your poetry embodies your > understanding of the post Pax Americana. In 30 years a grad student will > look back on this time and say "Poet X" did this and said that > and inspired > by ways of this. Write poetry Haas, this is all we can do today. > > > Best, Geoffrey > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:12:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Re: Borreaard and Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >.Turns out Borregaard and Spicer were part of the same circle of poets etc >for a period. I am just now readin this biography of Jack Spicer and saw a >photo of Borregaard... I am not nearly half ways thru the book so I have no >more news.... > >In those days he had a beard >and looks tall and lanky from the photo, or rather, tall and bony. The Poetry Center at SF State has a videotape of Borregaard reading, with Robin Blaser, I believe. I saw it years ago, back when Laura Moriarty was still the archivist there. On the tape, if I remember correctly, he announces he's leaving poetry to become a carpenter. Or am I just hallucinating this memory? I was watching a bunch of tapes, including one of a young John Wieners, because Kevin was writing an essay for the Poetry Center catalogue and I was wardrobe consultant. I would describe the poets' outfits to Kevin because he was interested in putting that in his essay, and I know more about outfits than Kevin does. Dodie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:16:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Absent without a Vote In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Kasey: sorry I could not make it to your reading/book party Sunday eve. You must have been punch drunk good after the marathon prep of readings the previous several nights! Deer in the Headlights - may your antlers (& the book, which I will get) carry the day. Lime Tree suggests postpartums is setting in. Go easy on yourself. It's been one helluva a great poetry summer - and you have been a major part of it. Time (almost) for a long evening look at Mars. Later, Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 19:31:00 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Graham Foust, As in Every Deafness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now Available from Flood Editions AS IN EVERY DEAFNESS / by Graham Foust ISBN 0-9710059-8-2 $13.00 "Forcing House" Here=E2=80=99s the quick wish behind each kicked door - manage to hang from my panic my love. Leave and leave everything open. Foust's first collection sounds the depths of need and loss through narcotic= s=20 and the bleak interiors of winter. Although suspended in indefinite,=20 sometimes=20 desperate states of desire, these spare poems move toward an honest=20 recognition=20 of the damage incurred: "Welcome, autumn, / to my room / of empty things. //= =20 Welcome to a room / like you."=20 =20 "Though As in Every Deafness recalls the wintry meditative intensity of=20 William=20 Bronk, it's a new millennium: 'Our economy proceeds / as if life were an=20 unlearning.'=20 Graham Foust has an unerring sense of the exact contours of a particular=20 thought and=20 is able to express them with mathematical precision and emotional delicacy;=20 yet=20 pushing against lyric constraint is wildness, uneasiness, sometimes terror." SUSAN HOWE Available from SPD / Small Press Distribution: www.spdbooks.org or directly from the publisher Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:36:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: BBC & Flarf In-Reply-To: <200308261355.h7QDtNh10245@beasley.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The interviewer said something about flarf being big in California and now we're going to speak with-- I was pretty sure I was dreaming, so I said aloud "Kasey Mohammad." And the interviewer agreed. Gary Sullivan's name came up and I think the interviewer may have asked for the number of official flarf poets. Something like that. K has the most beautiful voice. Full of all the intensity and intelligence you might expect. > >A couple of people asked whether my Flarf interview Saturday > the 24th on BBC > >World Service radio was or will be archived. ---------------------------------------------------------- For the inhibiting and suppressing of all scurrilous and prophane Play-books, Ballads, Poems, and Tale-bookes whatsoeuer. --Prynne (1628) Rachel Loden http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/hotel.html rloden@concentric.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:12:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: utility problem In-Reply-To: <200308230005.h7N05eB12666@trollope.concentric.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Bowering says he has never been to Peekskill. But he has time to hang out in Missoula watching Little League games. Go figure. If it weren't so bewildering it would be just plain sad. Maria and I are going to have to live with that. We'll sit on our little tuffet of memories, and occasionally we'll be joined by Pierre Joris. Those of you who feel like you go to sleep and wake up with Bowering might like to hear him talk about his dream of a big green bird. It's about 23 minutes and 16 seconds in from the beginning of an interview on the UCalgary site: http://www.ucalgary.ca/%7Ecwh/archive/ Of course, when I brought this to his attention, he claimed he'd never had a dream of a big green bird. So draw your own conclusions. ---------------------------------------------------------- For the inhibiting and suppressing of all scurrilous and prophane Play-books, Ballads, Poems, and Tale-bookes whatsoeuer. --Prynne (1628) Rachel Loden http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/hotel.html rloden@concentric.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:27:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Absent without a Vote/Flarf oops! Comments: To: "K. Silem Mohammad" In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sorry, this "vote" was meant to go direct to Kasey! n 8/26/03 4:16 PM, Stephen Vincent at steph484@PACBELL.NET wrote: > Hi Kasey: sorry I could not make it to your reading/book party Sunday eve. > You must have been punch drunk good after the marathon prep of readings the > previous several nights! > Deer in the Headlights - may your antlers (& the book, which I will get) > carry the day. > Lime Tree suggests postpartums is setting in. Go easy on yourself. It's been > one helluva a great poetry summer - and you have been a major part of it. > > Time (almost) for a long evening look at Mars. > > Later, > > Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:08:41 -0400 Reply-To: bstefans@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Brian Kim Stefans [arras.net]" Subject: What is Said to the Poet Concerning Flowers (a new blog) & Fashionable Noise promo blitz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Announcing my most recent spate of silliness: What is Said to the Poet Concerning Flowers a new blog that is just a bunch of poems and photos that are supposed to eventually have to do with each other -- you laugh! http://www.arras.net/whatis/ also, Free Space Comix: The Blog has a new design and lots of new materials on it -- http://www.arras.net/weblog/ Highlights: reviews: Little Review: Robert Lowell, Collected Poems digressions: Haroldo de Campos 1929-2003 links: The Monkey Shakespeare Simulator reviews: Little Review: Please Pay Attention Please: Bruce Nauman’s Words reviews: Little Review: Ezra Pound, Poems and Translations reviews: Little Review: Jeff Derksen, Transnational Muscle Cars poems: Sonnet: On Literary Criticism skids: Skid 29 links: Eigenradio / Dublab chatter: Requests for Porno / Silliman on the English poems: The Window Ordered To Be Made chatter: HP rips off The Dreamlife of Letters reviews: Little Review: Michael Magee, MS links: Acronym Blog open letters: Email to the New York Review of Books re: Comics for Grown-Ups exchanges: Exchange with Darren Wershler-Henry on Circulars: final version links: The dullest blog in the world links: Combo: new issue and website Lastly -- Fashionable Noise is now available from Small Press Distribution (http://spdbooks.org), amazon.com, and barnesandnoble.com. It was recently reviews in Publisher's Weekly -- starred review -- and I also received this great blurb from Adelaide Morris: PUBLISHER'S WEEKLY Less a programmatic critical volume than an improvisatory, searching look at a still-nascent form, Stefans's ruminations, exhortations, gags ("Th plug may be puld any day on cultur; th poem must be prepared") and excitations comprise a print take that is closest to the online world's free-wheeling sense of formal inquiry, semi-disposable experimentation and ardently utopian possibility. The eight longish pieces here are mostly concerned with screen-based poetry, but are utterly different from one another. A real-time, online interview with poet Darren Wershler-Henry (The Tapeworm Foundry) kicks things off, covering everything from the Toronto Concrete poetry scene to Situationism, Prynne, Eno, Hakim Bey, the launch party for Cabinet magazine and Frampton Comes Alive. "Reflections on Cyberpoetry" offers a tight series of straight-faced pronouncements ("`Mauberley is a cyberpoem; The Cantos, not.") and insights into algorithmic composition; "Stops and Rebels" unwinds into a dense, rewarding essay that manages to proceed via footnotes without invoking banal postmodernist tropes; "Proverbs of Hell" riffs Blake-wardly ("Condemn not Flash because it is `slick' "), while "A Poem of Attitudes," a long, beautiful abecedarian work composed with the aid of splicing programs, comes on like Bruce Nauman emptying out his neon tool box: "Not a curse. Not all the songs,/ no gimmick. Not be. Not in my poem./ Not like a room. Not mix the beans." Stefans's two major cyberworks, "The Naif and the Bluebells" and "The Dreamlife of Letters," are easily locatable online, as is his multi-author political blog, Circulars. With more ideas per page than most poets put into entire books, Stefans (Free Space Comix) provides a provisional, wickedly smart and goofily joyous lay of a land that is still being discovered--and created from scratch. (June) Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information. GREAT BLURB FROM ADALAIDE MORRIS, editor of Sound States: Innovative Poetics and Acoustical Technologies In Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics, Brian Kim Stefans does for digital poetry what Lev Manovich's Language of New Media does for contemporary media art. Starting from dynamics peculiar to the computer poem-its algorithms, source files, and flows of digitized information-Stefans imagines the computer poem from the bottom up. Instead of aligning it with or against conventional verse or avant-garde texts, he situates it in the larger field of digital art and new media. The book's major essay-construction-"Stops and Rebels: a critique of hypertext"-is an annotated computer poem that provides not only a canny mix of poetic and critical source files but a lexicon of critical terms, a history of digital experiments, and a series of brilliant meditations and riffs on new media creations. The result is essential reading for anyone interested in new media art and poetics. -- Dee Morris More here from the Atelos site: http://atelos.org/fashionable.htm My new play -- for those of you who care -- is called "Kinski in Kanada" -- sick -- premieres Nov. 6th at the Bowery Poetry Club. And I'll be teaching a poetry workshop at the Poetry Project starting October called (tentatively) "Jai-Alai for Autocrats." Sign up! http://poetryproject.com/ Bah-b-b-bah-bah-bah -- that's all folks! love, your local (scottish) spammer ____ A R R A S: new media poetry and poetics http://www.arras.net Hinka cumfae cashore canfeh, Ahl hityi oar hied 'caw taughtie! "Do you think just because I come from Carronshore I cannot fight? I shall hit you over the head with a cold potatoe." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:15:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Borreaard and Spicer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >.Turns out Borregaard and Spicer were part of the same circle of poets etc >for a period. I am just now readin this biography of Jack Spicer and saw a >photo of Borregaard... I am not nearly half ways thru the book so I have no >more news.... > >In those days he had a beard >and looks tall and lanky from the photo, or rather, tall and bony. He also ran an art gallery for a while; and on his first trip to the west coast, Amiri Baraka read there. -- George Bowering Too many days without bourbon 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:18:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: honestly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i can't actually imagine sitting down and writing something hold.exe trying to choose one word or another they'd make sense or not and might even sound good a kind of cleverness when things come together /portal/ only worrying about the craft of it all or having something to say thinking about the language ondheim.org it must be amazing to work so delicately in this furious world .as is it the form or is it the pathos of the form www speaking directly in a new and exciting language of words and sounds i don't have the experience :// it is wonderful to be able to write anywhere and have something to say http i am a refugee from words take me in i'll learn i promise i will ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 02:29:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: (c)ode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (c)ode A AH People places and situations sacred_path taxon AHHAA People places and situations sacred_path AA EVA-HH sacred_pathes; ssAH sacred_pathes; Nanosacred_path A VRL HH AH A visitations info A AAHHH Katul L. 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 08:36:32 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: --dasypygal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dasypygal (da-si-PYE-gul) adjective Having hairy buttocks. [From Greek dasy- (hairy, dense) + pyge (buttocks).] A related word is dasymeter, an instrument for measuring the..., no, not that, rather the density of gases. Another related word is callipygian, having a beautiful behind. -Anu "That way, if they will just turn their caps through 180 degrees, and the volume of their in-car stereos down a bit, and pull their trousers up over their dasypygal features, there might be hope, yet." Revel Barker; Open Eye: Fidel Castro And His Part in the Generation Game; Independent (London, UK); Sep 5, 2000. This week's theme: words to describe your opponents, vituperation. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:22:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Artists' Haven: No Electricity, but What Views In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Artists' Haven: No Electricity, but What Views By KATIE ZEZIMA ROVINCETOWN, Mass. =97 Creaky, mice-infested and barely accessible, the=20= 18 wooden shacks nestled among sand dunes here don't seem like much of=20= a summer prize. But for decades, this primitive world, only miles from the town's main=20= street, has been especially alluring to writers and artists. Eugene=20 O'Neill wrote some of his early work in an old Coast Guard station out=20= on the dunes, and E. E. Cummings, Harry Kemp (known as the Poet of=20= the Dunes) and the painter Boris Margo spent time here. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/27/arts/music/27DUNE.html?th= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 12:12:57 -0400 Reply-To: Allen Bramhall Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: poetics@buffalo.edu Comments: Originally-From: "Allen Bramhall" From: Poetics List Administration Subject: rockets and sentries blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am announcing publicly that this space: www.rocketsandsentries.blogspot.com, is my responsibility. it is daily writing in that blog space box. it is 'poetry' or anyway it is not a journal. I invite you to read and see if I 'get' anywhere Allen Bramhall ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:14:45 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haas, It's also important to think through the bigger picture, or the theoretical ramifications. Would you rather have your life be considered as a sporting event or as an aesthetic event? -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 15:01:37 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: rob's clever blog new things on rob's clever blog - 2 brief reviews - Dorothy Trujillo Lusk's Ogress Oblige (KRUPSKAYA) & Jill Hartman's A Painted Elephant (Coach House Books) - a note on "stone, book one" - "the day we lost the stanley cup" (an ottawa poem) www.robmclennan.blogspot.com rob -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:54:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE Comments: To: writenet@twc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Teachers & Writers Collaborative is happy to announce that members of the Buffalo Poetics and Writenet lists can order copies of my book What Is Poetry: Conversations with the American Avant-Garde, at a discount. Instead of paying $17.95, you now can pay a simple $15. All you have to do is call 1-888-BOOKS-TW, and let them know that you're taking advantage of the WRITENET-BUFFALO special offer. WHAT IS POETRY contains a series of interviews with 12 poets (including John Ashbery, Fanny Howe, Robert Creeley, and Bernadette Mayer) about their work, accompanied by an introduction to the American "avant-garde tradition," a series of biographies, and an extensive bibliography of primary and secondary sources. I hope that the book will go over well not just with poetry "aficionados" but with teachers and students of modern American poetry looking for a way in to the work apart from the expected critical essays. best, --daniel ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:02:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Free Oakland A's Game Tomorrow In-Reply-To: <337C65E8.2EA3B0E9.01F36A84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I have press passes for tomorrow's A's game vs. the Orioles, Thurs. Aug. 28, 12:35 p.m., but I have found no one to go with, as yet. If you're interested please email me ASAP: editor@boogcity.com best, david now in san francisco -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:17:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As a teacher of mostly non-academic students with no literature background I find the book incredibly useful for precisely this: helping me to approach teaching the students from mostly vo-tech backgrounds somewhat difficult writers...and of course also understanding as a teacher these are not difficult writers at all! the ann lauterbach, fanny howe, and harryette mullen chapters are real revelations! Kazim --- Daniel Kane wrote: I hope that the book > will go over well not > just with poetry "aficionados" but with teachers and > students of modern > American poetry looking for a way in to the work > apart from the expected > critical essays. > > best, > --daniel ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 14:34:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <02B36D37-D8B3-11D7-843E-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all, I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam poetry and its relationship (positive and negative) to other poetry communities. I would love any comments on the subject, including experiences anyone has had at slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state of modern poetry in the context of television and other media, and slams as they apply to the human tradition of storytelling. All feedback will help to reinforce my points and maintain balance. I assume that any responses may be published by the magazine. Thanks, Flora __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:53:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Renee Ashley Subject: Re: Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes. I've assigned it to MFA students who are wary of the avant-garde. It's a great intro. Very helpful. Renee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazim Ali" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [POETICS] Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE > As a teacher of mostly non-academic students with no > literature background I find the book incredibly > useful for precisely this: helping me to approach > teaching the students from mostly vo-tech backgrounds > somewhat difficult writers...and of course also > understanding as a teacher these are not difficult > writers at all! the ann lauterbach, fanny howe, and > harryette mullen chapters are real revelations! > > Kazim > > > > --- Daniel Kane wrote: > I hope that the book > > will go over well not > > just with poetry "aficionados" but with teachers and > > students of modern > > American poetry looking for a way in to the work > > apart from the expected > > critical essays. > > > > best, > > --daniel > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 17:59:56 -0400 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me second Kazim Ali's response to this fine book=2E I'm not a teacher= , nor was I ever much of a student, but as a poetry "aficionado" I recommend= it highly=2E Kane has a great skill at drawing out people, giving them sp= ace to say things they might never have thought of by themselves=2E Reading t= he book is like listening to some of one's favorite people talking, rather intimately, among themselves=2E Even those who've been interviewed 3000 times seem to appear newly washed and fresh all over again (Ashbery, Creeley, Koch among them)=2E Indeed as I look at the book again I realize= , oh my goodness, I've met all these people, and only rarely heard them spea= k to such point in person=2E In fact one of them I'd rather only read about= in books than ever encounter again during our lifetimes but that's neither here nor there (except insofar as it's another tribute to D=2E Jane's interviewing skills)=2E Don't let the title put you off=2E (Maybe it was= designed to appeal to children or Jeopardy contestants?) He--Kane--is smart enough to know that nobody knows what poetry is=2E -- Kevin K=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: Daniel Kane dkane@PANIX=2ECOM Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:54:04 -0400 To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: Discount on WHAT IS POETRY: CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AMERICAN AVANT-GARDE Teachers & Writers Collaborative is happy to announce that members of the Buffalo Poetics and Writenet lists can order copies of my book What Is Poetry: Conversations with the American Avant-Garde, at a discount=2E Instead of paying $17=2E95, you now can pay a simple $15=2E All you have = to do is call 1-888-BOOKS-TW, and let them know that you're taking advantage of the WRITENET-BUFFALO special offer=2E WHAT IS POETRY contains a series of interviews with 12 poets (including John Ashbery, Fanny Howe, Robert Creeley, and Bernadette Mayer) about their work, accompanied by an introduction to the American "avant-garde tradition," a series of biographies, and an extensive bibliography of primary and secondary sources=2E I hope that the book will go over well no= t just with poetry "aficionados" but with teachers and students of modern American poetry looking for a way in to the work apart from the expected critical essays=2E best, --daniel -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:07:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3F4CE705.641AF0E8@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit depends what sport-- > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Kirby Olson > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:15 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response > > > Haas, > > It's also important to think through the bigger picture, or the > theoretical > ramifications. Would you rather have your life be considered as > a sporting > event or as an aesthetic event? > > -- Kirby Olson > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:42:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: probably doesn't apply Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, POETRYETC@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit to poetry: Scholars Perform Autopsy on Ancient Writing Systems Cause of Death Related to Lack Of Accessibility By Guy Gugliotta Washington Post Staff Writer Monday, August 25, 2003; Page A07 tom bell Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:45:50 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Free Oakland A's Game Tomorrow Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit arrgghh got school ---------- >From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Free Oakland A's Game Tomorrow >Date: Wed, Aug 27, 2003, 9:02 PM > > Hi all, > > I have press passes for tomorrow's A's game vs. the Orioles, Thurs. Aug. 28, > 12:35 p.m., but I have found no one to go with, as yet. If you're interested > please email me ASAP: editor@boogcity.com > > best, > david > now in san francisco > > -- > David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher > Boog City > 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H > NY, NY 10001-4754 > T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) > F: (212) 842-2429 > www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:29:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: "fertile musings" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII in this poem i am placing one word after another i am thinking how these words go together the maroon sound of them in any weather caught in the throat of clever socialness then that line and this weren't any good so backtrack and that's such a bother that i haven't any executables today or any other this stanza has good socialness but would rather have a machine bit here and there so as to dither among father prose and mother poem and brother or sister that just about rounds out familiar author technique just an oops and backtrack and then gather what's left an execrable lather and then backtrack and backtrack thinking just what combination of letters would work i'd rather listen to or be a circle jerk or at the very least a jerk that might lurk and carry dirk in all this murk how else to destroy each and every poet without a some codework we would hardly know it unless one were left alive to tell it if a cat's got rhyme this time then we should bell it "fertile musings" ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:41:06 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: process 02: "fantasticate|ruggedize" - Natalie Simpson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed process 02: chaplet "fantasticate|ruggedize" - Natalie Simpson any word, errant, searching for a syllable leads to some link. we scorn into set rhythms, redundant, redux. we slotted the sun, you imply, in transit. we reason pain is well above a moment's flicker. the room could collide into itself, walls move imperceptably, as hummingbirds. all that flutter. In "fantasticate|ruggedize", Natalie Simpson dares to crack open our set rhythms through her daring sentences. "at all costs, the simplest line nets all fluster." Indeed. Natalie Simpson has had work published in several chapbooks (privately printed and thru housepress) and in the journals Queen Street Quarterly, West Coast Line, (orange), filling Station and dANDelion. She was also a member of Calgary's PHU collective participating in readings, performances and a webpage of radical poetics. After several years involvement with filling Station, she is currently Managing Editor and is helping bring a new look and new focus to the magazine's pages. She has recently completed a manuscript which is looking for a home. Published on a long sheet of 5.5x17 pale blue paper folded brochurewise w/ punk rock cover. Email ryan fitzpatrick (rcfmod@hotmail.com) if you're interested in getting a copy. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:12:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ++ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/web.exe ++ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ++ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/web.exe ++ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/baby.exe programs, .exe executables, programs, and .exe so executables, forth. and http://www.asondheim.org/portal/swoon.exe hold.exe that i i haven't haven't any any executables executables today today or or any other that what's left an execrable what's lather left __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:38:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: HISTORY OF THEORISM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IBN MASARRA and that they sent thither [Afghanistan] with that object, to form a Masonic lodge of the Even Guys (anti-Odd Fellows), the philosopher Ibn Masarra (883-931) this Ibn Masarra (Osama ibn Laden) was a pantheist (pant(h)e(o)r(ror)ist) of Cordova who had made an especial study of translations of certain Greek books attributed to the Arabs to Empedocles Philosophy had penetrated Spain (haven of Mohammed Atta) under Mohammed, the fifth Omayyad Sultan but philosophy was held there in disrepute, and intolerance was much more rife there than in Asia The Andalusian theologians, indeed, who had journeyed to the East, spoke with devout horror of the tolerance of the 'Abbasids, and especially of those meetings of the learned of all religions and sects, where metaphysical questions (such as Russian telemetry) were discussed without regard to revelation, and where even Moslems (odd Christians) sometimes turned the Koran into ridicule (Journ. asiat., Ve serie, t. ii. p. 93; Chwolsohn, ii. 622). Freethinkers (anti-slavewits) were therefore obliged to conceal their views (at Langley especially), and naturally found the constraint irksome [...] he seems to have joined the secret society of the Isma'ilites (believers of Where your mind goes, your body goes and the Deity of Multi-Location) We are led to believe this by his conduct after his return to Spain, for instead of flaunting his opinions, as he had done in his youth, he concealed them, and made great parade (en robe de parade) of piety and austerity [he] ma[d]e a stalkinghorse of orthodoxy he deceived the vulgar and [...] attracted many pupils [...] leading them step by step from faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith faith to doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt doubt to DISBELIEF He did not, however, succeed in duping the clergy (CIA), who, [...] burned [...] his books ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:56:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matt Keenan Subject: "fertile musings" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you wrote: how else to destroy each and every poet without a some codework we would hardly know it unless one were left alive to tell it if a cat's got rhyme this time then we should bell it I love that last line. Matt ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:57:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: utility problem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Kominos, I have no idea if this letter of yours was addressed to me, David Bromige. No, I have never been in Australia. But I have appeared in various literary magazines published there. I was a canasian poet in the late 50s and early 60s, and maintain links wirh friends/fellow poets there, but psblish primarily in the usa. I regret knowing nothing of the "writers in the park." If I have responded inaccurately, please accept my apoiogy. Bedt wishes, David Bromige. -----Original Message----- From: Komninos Zervos To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Monday, August 25, 2003 7:31 PM Subject: Re: utility problem >saw your photo in the writers in the park anthology, (1986, sydney, >australia) > >was that your first visit to australia? >i am studying the period for my phd and wondered if you had sounded your >work in similar venues in canada or the usa at that time. >this seems to have been a period when literature was being introduced to >public venues and general public audiences rather than >writerly/readerly/publishery festivals etc. and would be interested to >know what you thought of the writers in the park event and your experience >of the australian poetry scene. >i assume you had prior contact with australian poets, adamson, tranter etc >as i think i have seen some of your work in journals like poetry magazine >australia in the 70s. > >cheers >komninos > >komninos zervos >lecturer, convenor of CyberStudies major >School of Arts >Griffith University >Room 3.25 Multimedia Building G23 >Gold Coast Campus >Parkwood >PMB 50 Gold Coast Mail Centre >Queensland 9726 >Australia >Phone 07 5552 8872 Fax 07 5552 8141 >http://www.gu.edu.au/ppages/k_zervos >http://users.bigpond.net.au/mangolegs >http://spokenword.blog-city.com > > > > >George Bowering >Sent by: UB Poetics discussion group >26/08/2003 07:31 AM >Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > cc: > Subject: Re: utility problem > > >>ah, lowdown, bovine and bromide, peekaboo in the peekskills...how the >>memories come flooding back. geoogre, have you no shred of sediment >>left for the olde daze? well... go with god. be well. be well. i >>will be returning your jewelry the po box you specified. farewell, >>my pretty. >> > >You don't have to return the jewelry, dear heart. Don't you recall >that you had to pay for it when my Visa card bounced? Some silliness >about the spelling of my name. Hell, Bowering, I tried to tell the >guy, is just another way of spelling Bromige. >-- >George Bowering >Too many days without bourbon > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:48:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: (c)ode part1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (c)ode part1 A AH People places and situations sacred_path taxon AHHAA People places and situations sacred_path AA EVA-HH sacred_pathes; ssAH sacred_pathes; Nanosacred_path A VRL HH AH A visitations info A AAHHH Katul L. 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Yours, David -----Original Message----- From: Tom Beckett To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: Two of the Parts >One part >of the art of living >involves knowing >when to duck > >Another part >of the art of living >turns on learning >how to breathe > >Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 23:02:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: RUB RAIN RANDOM Comments: To: spiral bridge , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii OF COURSE ROUGH MAIM ROUGE ssssshhh//hollow wand/no end//glint//as carved, vr/rc, ing vacant lip//ed, kiss as, owner cotton//null//elope, a poison ing//soy/toll/poem//red delicate liberated//rb, bl, d//dr, doors roped off/velvet, taciturn//attourney/in tune with, just waking//waiting to fall asleep//mem/ish, esque, ic/entary//ai, ai, ai, ai//sure not to read//iness/inept, pessimists stimulated COATS RUB RAIN RANDOM MOLE puffy sky inflate grip of treetp//pr, la/ks, aleph//Then came the bl/cko/t//Early reports traced the problem to failures at FirstEnergy tr/nsmi//ion// lines in Ohio. 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Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 03:49:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan LeRoy Kleeberger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1. Like honey grained, soft and spread, Across oceanic broad-backed edge, The sand cakes on each break-ward motion, Every shovel’s arching staff, and Every form, frosty-thick, stays Hung fast, steady-clumped within the spray. Ever now the umbra settles forth and lacks recess. Planted firm into hidden penny loafers, Pressed in full, shouldered up, kind by kind, Our leaning physus as a sea of flesh; Our waning shade lies severed loose and seethes; Our lowing knees, sunk down, down, down, Dark deep, stuck into the suckling beach. We’ve kept these lines beyond our eyes. We move our skin across each break. The sounds of dusk are thickened over, Tucked light beneath old lingering sights of day. There is no more yellow rub upon the window pane; Mid-stroke curses, bellied forth, cast out in vain Against the vestigial noon of surly present suns, antipodal, drained. The horizon never wanes, from such resorts resigned on bays, Yet we haul and wait, and haul and wait, and lean again: The tide rolls in, low and slow upon its wide and aching back. Weaving out soaked wool in dye, stretching along, Limbs bend as salty corpora, bathed in crepuscular light. Though not pallid dangling, our palms twist wrenched like stone, hard and white, Weathered pearls upon working shafts: rusted spades skewer through By scooping wave on wave, and shot-for-shot We give rise to many works, and we shiver till relief. A death upon us, one less, two more, upon our coldest, crowding shore. 2. Whitman wrote out contradiction as beauty, but these scuttling men on the modern stage play beauty as a bitch, and mistake her fiery bush for thinning bale. The same men think that thought is tooled fantasy and clay. They wrench it round with bloody hands – with tears upon their cheeks. But it is numbed and tender flesh they pinch and print, lies between their palms, and bended tales upon the pore. Everything is hidden in this clay, and in the why it is not clay, not classed, but mutable and ignoring our defamations, a rather simple sacrament, and of our stapled flesh. . . . If men only knew they were men! . . . . . . left unrenewed and snuffed amongst the frosty snows of wintery swells, may our maligned be soft embalmed and but some ember spent . . . the swells recede . . . granting to all a lowly loft: a shift incarnate as a blade of grass or grain . . . 3. It is very much a seductive romance to be vague, with the heart, with the mind. So as to be able to speed cross airy sentiments as in quick pursuit, so as to unbridle the passionate tropes and indulge the weighty words in their massive pull, loosed into such hopeful places so thought as to naturally live and dwell. But can the lusty sphere find native fit in the spaces of a cube? There is time enough (an essential time indeed!) to hold these weighty motions still, to palm and grip upon these shapes, to tend each surface as a subtle field, with the careful fingertips of the tempered intellect. There is no mystic adze to plain the curves, nor blessed chisel with which to round the edges soft. For once the hands, the hearts, the minds, and all the will, have left the settled scene (or so they lightly think) and have moved so eager on to turn another phrase, there are those who come soon after, finding strewn and heavy angles, bent old pipes and ball bearings, mangled symmetry in a place where grass once grew, forgotten by an absent heart which once beat out its wretched, barren place. 4. The face of the world has grown oh so pleasant, has been made into softer, sweeter flesh, touched up and blushed, a cadmium mediate of rouge, applied thick like a heavy rose mud, painted on by those ever lighter tendrils of stainless steel and silicon speed. Beneath the whisper of static is the lost experience of immediacy. The world still spins at the same relative speed, flowers bloom and crumble into dust, the gentle moon pulls up on the tides, lust upon lust goes into the eyes of lover’s exchange, hash bars are frequented and drinks imbibed, corruption has not ceased, motivations churn for power, all things will go on in a romantically biblical parabola until the end of our bumbling days, and it is all a gloss so very soon. But beneath the whisper . . . :: The variable x (fill it in with whatever pleases: love, war, peace, sexuality, fraternity, family values) appears to us as lifeless and ephemeral, it is indistinguishable from the fictions it finds itself couched within, it appears as just another jig within a jigsaw of jigs. The satellites transform live writhing corpses into an immaterial function, beam them from the sandy earth into the environ, and then what very little that remains indiscriminately a fiscal translation of any x into to a corporate hub, they are sent with the avarice of desired attentions, and finally into the end game of tubeless flat screens plopped across the humming lateral planes. Each set replete with picture-in-picture: Baghdad in flames enveloping Ozzy Osbourne drinking Jim Beam on dead Iraqi civilians cornered into Kim Basinger’s hourglass figure backgrounding the satin of Ari Fleishcher’s immovable bust kissing the sands of Panama Beach where Saddam Hussein drinks a martini with Kim Jong Ill segueing a coming soon to must see prime time a new reality tee-vee: Guantanamo Bay Inquisitions by Guy Guy Guy and his Gap brand brown shirts and the sideshow dancing Texas twins. On the war between science (pop) and art (pop), the two cultures: Philip K. Dick has been beaten down and back to the anachronistic hills by Andy Warhol’s ever more marketable and ever more nascent prismatic broomstick. Star Wars (either one) was a future outmoded by the strongmen of market-stats and techno-foundries before it could even begin manifesting itself as the physically present. It was a far-fetched subjunctive subsumed within a grander gala of billboards and ticker tape, and what we have done is something much more than light speed or spying down at St. Petersburg’s KGB shoelaces from the crows-nest on the moon. S. Dali would send himself into a crying shame beneath such unapproachably whirring lights. Only drive by Gary, Indiana and watch the fire-stacks shoot straight columns of orange flame ripping into a crepuscular sky, and maybe you will know then that things have become irrevocably strange. But only if you are silent, only if you forget that it is all a matter of straight faced normality, and forget that it all follows as a matter of fact from the Industrial Revolution, only if you are a ghost and empty to your own life as a networked node, a defamiliarized shell of simple facticity. As a silence, it is so very strange, all the makeup just flakes away like dusty and demineralized mica cakes, and there again it can be seen that there does exist a violence and love somewhere of pumping hearts, crushing bones, day dreams, snuffed consciousness, shortened breath, and that analog lives do in fact unfold in organic pulses beneath the whisper of static: immediate experience, liberated flesh, etc. Such is the pop-culture-full-access-live-coverage-embedded-forever-hyphenated-life-fractal-Vaudeville-Children of Paradise-neologistic-meta-severed-New American Century mess. This is no elegant rouge to be sure, nothing possibly as clean as that. We as a majority have become madly in love with our pell-mell imagist schismatics which are naively taken for the democratically uncarved block – as if we knew what the hell is going on or what we are actually doing – and we are simple and side-blind to this tattered appliqué. And so if it appears to us to be pretty and quick, we are correct in a sense, for we what see we see and we feel what we feel, and what we see and feel is pretty and quick, but these are all half-truths and mean something more: it appears to be pretty and quick but only because we have stopped looking. If you look with silence and with care what you will feel and see will be sloppy as hell, and the world will no longer be yours. 5. To begin compassion one must live honestly. Which is said by our love to be truthfulness of logic and morality. And to define all these for our paramour? Suddenly a disastrous turn: it fell apart and they didn’t say so but just mucked on. In so many days of such-and-such bric-a-brac, then a ‘dark tea-time of the soul’, but pangs entered in and hind out fast into the light, upon the wild rocks. Was it infidelity? Overhead halogen, sterility and faceless foreheads in first appearance bobbed like buttery splotches; after many years I learned finally to make shapes: amphibians of a type you like, and outlines, in ponds of realist machinations, where frogs are frogs as named without consent. All these things you and I imagine, and out they come tumbling in pairs, oil-slicked like so many ducks in a row. We trade these fowl and drink the oil, like so many licks and a hearty blow. Muck-muck-muck into the thick of it, until you darken and counsel the storm, perforate its underbelly with crowned perfidy, it will leak its own ignorance like the goo of questions commencing. Glop-glop-glop, it is certainly an injustice, which only raises the newer question; but no man lives but like that burdened rolling horse, on its back like a slow churning gut, ankles strung up only loose enough by the rolling, vaulted skies, while its sinews punch sharpened hoofs thru the deflating nimbus, meekly now commanding the heart-strings to pluck themselves. 6. Your ankles, St. Francis, may alarm and save thus the quiet woodland life, Strung jingling tongues that a modest habit and earth brown bells belie. Though angels, St. Francis, touch the grass by weightless wing’s descent, Needless of compassion’s cleaving ways for deathless work’s intent. Your angels, St. Francis, gaze not for stuffy flesh nor decays of living rust, For death and dying to deathless light means a light unleashed into wayless flux. Though ankles, St. Francis, may peddle forth with warning notes strung and bowed, In want of vain attempts at kindly steps you crush down on those not so well endowed. 7. “John Locke is dead,” so says he who holds that paper out, stuck in the face of bewilderment. It is certainly silly what young romance will do, the walls it erects, with brick and mortar, while the mind says, “John Locke is dead,” and thinking away, “The walls are ever removed. I’m sick of this reuse, this failed coup.” But you stand a young boy, the bed-sheets still wet. Locke is not dead, fool, only your desire to be understood. 8. The act of writing as a practice of confiding the truth, the contract of impressions, with source of power from the subject; this all has left our method. From where do our words spring? And why do we say “our” view when not one can say “my view”? The sides of skin: on one, our organs, on the other, air and all the rest. On which side do our minds (p)reside? The way it is written cannot cover this, we are far beyond the positive, and left with merely sticks and curves. Shaken on, tossed about, hands all gripped with similar grips, each haul up to Jehovah but no rain can appear. 9. “This fine system was Founded in the forests.” It was then taken out Into the plains of Smaller islands, Squeezed beneath the palms, And rendered unto a Newer pleaser, pleased By & by as long as it Keeps on comin’, Growing past the hands. Now. We the forests thought These grims to be So delicate, . . . So right we were; Back to the handsaw And the hawk, Or is it a handsaw Or a dove? 10. Euclid, your back must ache – bent for so long in that compromising position, cold ass on rock, hands weaving spells hung over your knees, while the vultures circle overhead, unnoticed by your exacting eyes and digits, caring only for that which never dies. But you, Oh Euclid, will surely die! And that imperfect bird will have its way when your imperfect flesh meets imperfect day. 11. There becomes a markéd increase in the emptied medley of ways – we go without the muddied print; in this we go on quiet mud – and further more, we sit – some habit: silent nod, a verbal shrew. But our mood is filléd mug, while death goes unrenewed – this weight, not much, though arching backs like hoofs above the field – our losses scattered among the memory’s lapse, our dispossesions, waded thin, concealed. 12. As if I’ve not moved, there’s never been any ‘there there’, thus I do not have and: no answer can be given with surety, even if one acts as if. And speaking is our mostly filléd mug. Cement cannot expand but to crack. And like eggs we is, wobbled while we white and rot. But this is smiles in the dark for losses in the light, which we forfeit for sleep, across the white-washed, somniferous noon. We are men, however, and cannot remove the day, which is hourless, and not a tack of time. We coma or dream or wake or unborn or do not know. There will always be a second: a second moving; a second stopped . . . as long as speaking is not unsaid. Until attached to space our minds remove and return no more to time. 13. I’m laid longways at the loom, my hands at work, weaving wool without command, without intent, though the weaving is chosen by my being laid, by the loom, by my side, by the wool and weavings extending outward crossed the day, and forget this not, for my eyes are open, and cannot blink out the sight of busy hands, weaving, working, spreading . . . I’m laid longways at the loom. Wool upon my lids, weaving by my busy hands, fabrics shoot crossed the day, the day is woven wool by virtue of the loom and busy hands at work and learning quickness . . . 14. Been researching A.N. found the variance is spiraling, lines diverging like angered crows self-disgusting into severed clouds. Like canyon walls, grinned and sunned into the dry crackled. Nakedness bends the light, we shake the demon breaker, firing clays of disruption, the light will bend in variance, with canyon walls. We smile, grinned. The dry crackle is researched, A.N. self-disgusting, sunned, spiraling into firing nakedness. The hands of a demon breaker spin; researched of variance, we smile, grinned. 15. The liars would never let it happen. Not flower beds like bone piles from up into the wind. It is grinding bells, pollinate my phoneme. Our chins are scraped below, from where we stand; what falls, what piles. Severings are not complete, what creates. Something of a stoppage. Tripping up, Atlas gave birth, all God-men rolling in soft dirt faces of the greeny grassed breasts of hell. Feels good and caged. Not the liars would let it happen, never let it, nothing smiled, and died again on its merry raining little way and laugh laugh laugh it was. 16. Libre steals time, recline, recline. Has this? Has this? Pointing is an endless motion. Like worms and such. Better way to die forth in accompaniment of vertical & horizontal actions, pointing, levering, passivity. Has this enjoyed the yellow sea? Has this labrynthed in the stairwell? Has this libre? Tumbled and a man swings ropes from objects responsive, but only my footage is spat and felt. 17. Between the furies of agreement, the world shuts then as eyes, and not one will shake with resistance. Pygmalion has entered in, has said and spoken, we follow through with remechanized dance, and all we shaken, obfuscated. Lightly careful, eggshells in the wind, but into the dirt, the sun follow may lead, loons are still, and man is maple walking, then into the dirt and lightly careful. 18. It is from the graveled hills, these movements, floating dearly below, as grounding, as bi-polar methamphetamines, drowling the hours, slipping them nicely out amongst the uniform fogs. We’ve kept treasures, cornered in dust. Mystical knocks on the walls, small hands pressed into the wooden shadow, it was known, forgotten and still it was known; we’ve been walking now, for days, it is difference, not likeness, rolling and melding the earth. 19. I would connect these things in my mind, I’d let them is, then I’d not I’d no. more. This is action. We’d connect these things in Our world between us; then we’d not even white our eyes to look closer still up against it. This is government. Cross-referenced com-noded. another please? This is nothing to look away from. This is seems, you’ll notice, this is across the Field. 20. There is a blackness tabled in the crannies of foundation, broken Latin (hecro tabla rosa) on the mind. Our choreographed prayers are spun into quartz, (golden clocks) and followed through – and bent – into mass and pull, a day, a god; this has not become a clearing. The Lord has yet to be seen, and the hands revolve counter to the spherical suns, sliding in rolls of vision, palmed into zeroed skins. Resurrect within . . . resurrect without . . . either way it is wont with ink upon the white. Message from be/low. Fires sub/side. Angel wings scorched, body slumbered, upon the hearth, sacrificial and warmed in Nod . . . nod . . . to the east is nod . . . into the east: the land of dappled cloth and smoke. 21. A simple had stuck upon, up onto this dust. Our names slide quickness and acquire dust into genera-formation, take shape, clumped clumped and forget the dust. Ach du lieb do leave do leave Got to say my ach ach ach in the throat. In the heart. 22. Felines met on path, circled in fiendish theatrics, and proceeded to play. Lion, Tiger, and games with naked snarls, darted to the shadows, hinted & pointing. Not possible could it end in boredom . . . it says yes and new and heat in the mix. – Later fades away. 23. Accidental notations a raising ‘pon the wood. Swiftless crossings, dropped in, rolled in airy pockets, boiled . . . into the spaces was drawn the thing which wonders. The exits placed in stopping, cooling, a letting of ocular blood, drained into the earthy soils. A cast away and sleeping, these projects recede, and the seemings move acrostic. 24. Eaten by the sun, followed by a word, circled and periodic, our place of birth, time beneath a lunar shadow; these are coupled with want and names, what is called brings forth then a death of change. Coins ‘pon the surface spin held up by noise round . . . Tell us, please, the name of this grand, oblong, life. 25. follow the path i follow the path joined in the sun these rays bath us we are washed and walk cleanly into our eyes 26. Always found us working at the gate . . . Gate, Gate; beyond, beyond. From the sun, upon the origination of light’s pointless feet, I down my eyes upon the body’s formation, it sleeps within the motion . . . light retreats as steps complete. Is skin upon a man as dirt upon the earth? Have pores become volcanic in the touching actioned out of mind? So begat the questions unto man, the light proceeds, and we have yet to learn our flesh. 27. Enters the forest and sleeps upon a rock. Falls edibly from the clouds, movement swallows and creates, earthy lands become the chest, bared against the eyes, and wonton reduction floats beneath the breath to harden sweat, decay, and molten hearts . . . collisions lunar conception dilates ( sleeps ) . . . 28. Out of angels come shades, together is the mind which passes through, which dies before, and livens still, and warts upon the beggar’s world. This removes from simple formulae, and forfeits active grace. 29. When the center cannot hold, as it were, and each man upon himself, a leach. Blood warms, invites lips, as in ecstacy, a God of skin. Loosen this, the light expands, but what has reached us, not this, not as it were, not the blood, skin, God. Fallen nicely, now, like cracked eggs we is 30. in the age of sex is death i’m still using skin – what speeds beneath. drains the red, escapes the trapping word . . . no concern of . . . nightly dying . . . magna mort . . . nothing held in blood filled goblets but our mind – our wine our golden clocks our present sun our present sun presented love 31. halitosis; whiskey watered eyes; what does not match; what will enter held; dirges whiled – elder nasferatu – matriarch; (few letters opined) 32. IN THIS WE SIMPLE ALIGNMENTS NOSTRADAMUS CREATE NOT OUR DAY TELLING LIES ALL WEB CAST UP ABOVE OF IS AND A STAFF ON COLD AND PAST ARE WE STONE – tap tap on SPREAD UPON – LOOMS AHEAD LIKE A GATE CRACKED EMPTY LAKE AGATE (what . . . (PAR)(A)(GATE) 33. in this space (be/comes) idle wild carbon vestige held holographic in this spaces (are is will no) idle wild to gesture empty goldens . . . holo/foldings pointing [ ellipses ] pointing [ ellipses ] . . . . . . . . . pointed pointly point . . . pfennig ( even in ) (even out) 34. “this is dedicated – don’t even know if she’s listening – to Jen Van Pelt” Prior to the meeting our mugs, side by side, left beading sweat, rings upon the table round, stools unsat and dusted air. Prior to our meeting, our first, we sat and drank and maybe in all, in all, in all the heavens and hells they cried, for they knew the sin to come, knowing these places are placed and waiting for return. Our tears do bead, our lives do meet, over and over in dusty light, forget and sleep. *** The streets remain walked and crossed. In this way I come to see another you unfolding, what that? what past? Not to be held, nor let, nor left, and now to seed another; while soil drained of mass, what grows will be the greenery of mirrors – a livened copy of the joined. Do not ask why I ask, but why did your falling come so clean? *** Moving back, to the street. Ushered across by knowing, streamed into the question, and my answer was you, moved and moved into lovely knowing that I could now, finally, see up tall to your eyes, like alien greys, marbled in sleep, say, “okay,” and we’ll find ourselves back into the pathway we’ve made (now to be cordially dead) I feel each corpse; I love you. 35. As a swing into the up is shadowed late by past and rambling neurons, We cannot uncage, it makes out history history, and it makes our lives in line. As a swing into the up is shadowed now by mass and pull, it is a coming down that is weighting . . . Absalom, gilded. 36. Each opened, page on page, loosed upon the light; drowned and dappled sun in this, opined in this; can we knot the welt, lost in fibrous weavings. All falls down and spreads wide in this; all in this; we can not no never resign in this . . . it is our bemoaning . . . love the moon and lunar lightings. *** Say and say, we’ve chanted and lost – meine weltanschuaang ist nicht; ist nicht; ist nicht. Ein pfennig auf – ach mensch. Tongues back in, sleeps in the gullet, art: la petit mort, over this again, and space defines the brick-brick-brick. 37. From across (this is not) the canyon wall we launch (this is not) our way. It seems painted, seems to say. Old colors, crackled in rust and death; new colors, dripped in waters and seed: all is spread out . . . (this is not . . . again/again beyond/beyond). Can say we else but laugh at the Joker’s wish? 38. Space contains the curves which harmonize all objects: so we touch and touch 39. First years (three nicks and triple pens) as light and lost as metal print loose in pockets nearly spent against the weights I’ve never known . . . but looked aback, buffed in air removed. Currency, no longer placed, but like butter timed without a ticking bread, laid upon the table long and deep . . . I sit silent, bruising happened knees, to sleep away my borders coined in slightly fallacy. Soon, the feastly wheat. 40. Children of the Mother -Father, Born from the neither & naught, We are those who are uninitiated, Offspring of the Demiurge. Tho all in this rests in wild untruth; For we were not born, Death has already been; We are not Moving. There exist no remains. 41. Children of the Mater-Pater, We are those who remain uninitiated, Though asleep in unawares, Our dreams are offspring of the Demiurge. To awake in rapturous Apolytrosis Requires remembrance of undancing The pneumatic’s dance, to Unyellow the breath which rubs in separate air. 42. Men aside the riverbeds Gather what they can Knowing not of oceansides Absent in their heads Losin’ all the dead for life Killin’ off the dark for light 43. By letters’ fruitless movement, we’ve looked, I’ve looked. Newness has not sprung forth, it lies vacant and crumbling, above us, threatening. Notice not these things, running as undercurrents, they are much to simple, men who know have filed them into mystical cabinets, dirty and rancid. Shinier objects lay about, to be held up and possessed, and soon we’ll have more. But do not forget the change in seasons, forgetting the circles will leave one full and immobile. 44. I’ve like to rephrase, but find myself looped in this, looking to unphrase. Things could not be simpler, drawn out, calculated with lines and points, colors, steps, but this map, it will break your legs. Your wheelchair will squeak for years, and then will quickly disassemble itself in the manner of falling apart. It will be metal entanglements restricting movement for lives to come. We cannot escape from chains, that is a myth, and we find ourselves looped, in this, the phrase worms and worms until we are lost in the simple spin of the maps of paths the worming took. 45. Many people in many boxes locked locked in place. Start fires from the inside, you’ll bake your world crisp, it will smell, but you’ll not be evicted not yet not until you crumble and the many people in many boxes are forgotten as the fire leaves smoke into the world . . . 46. Building clay poems and firing them and tossing them up into shattered pieces telling you then what you never knew. This, all the gestures, they become broken and crooked – crooked broken shattered poems firing clay gestures telling never then what now you knew. Blech . . . it bleeds a stagnant blood. 47. we cannot say cannot hear until this stops cold and is artificed and realized speak to me? I do not have the time something collapsed could kill you death to me? Hope is not a truth to me. Do no trust in that the “say” to me. no hope in truth to me? television tell a tale this is real to me dream me dream me 48. it seems crafty on the streets vision spinsters where every girl with every perfect shine I want want could love every nakedly perfect sex, every naked day but stay quiet and shifty 49. What comes, can be hoped for in the over over and again movement of ink or blood or protest? has this not been ALWAYS? Softly not at all loudly things feed back and again again we die on this all never notice not hearing tricked into metallic skin tricked into metallic skin . . . 50. as a med it a tion should one kill down may be yourself to think the on think in a square circle change in change in a process from any access point you have every connection and there is every probable activation but you choose but not really this here is still con fused ripped apart and w/out truth like cake like cake like cake not me, but I’ll eat any fucking ways, *** a lying dormant but permeating the burnt surf f fade it slops upon, we have theory and CRITIQUE BITCHING ACADEMICS killing off the mind . . . and sweating distractions of market watch blood watch OIL SPILL for God drinks black teas as a poison or Socrates is still here hemlock in hand Laughing at the MESS of the satyr 51. Spill on, spill on as far ---------> as I can see (negative presupposition) the waters ( non are red Lo and wide c a tion the ory ) my ship is not (apparent) it is (not identity) ours and us . . . 52. Art be come come COME . . . what’s the difference . . . wearing robes, burning robes of earthen ASH Slip it off in two voids and it will not be COME (pin it down) here it is. 53. Door while white boy Walks upon clap stone clap Mother and rain falls rain Quiet life Myths retold and dreams Enter there within Green and wet surround Print afoot – the mud schlup Blue and green abound the trunk Orange is halved and centered off fog objects the flute drums the boy alludes *** as the wind blown, the clouds come without. Movement acted dies with curtain calls. Nothing permits the seer. Upon experience rests our choice, rests our death. 54. Effects deeply is the non – but each step, inverts/exverts, shoots thru and up into icy verbal walls. The lake will calm return. No cloud counting for the other, birds w/ each particle between, blocked by need, which occurs in shifts and loss of intent – sun implies vanishing netherworlds agreed in solemn dirge with wine and such, while walking men ceased into the shore washing limbs of unbodily chronicity. 55. Small worlds cannot collide. Collisions occur unnoticed with slight renowned, through eyeballs and eggs we subversify the shapes of lust. 56. After much speaking, meandering thru the suffocating air of fleeting smoke, not quite unlike our speech, it comes upon us, the deadened weights of night; and we’ll see the spheres laugh like rain across the hour so soon forgotten, the lopped ears and severed tongues; much more sense in viscous silence; putties for the cracks in golden clocks, forcing the banter of confusion from its human cage. 57. We could not receive the calm. In this day it was beyond our color washed faculties. Was it the weeping in our rage a stress within reserves? As the moon circles the earth, walls dam the boiling waters bend to break . . .tears then escape into placid currents, calm when none is held in places wept along with moans and torrid movement. 58. He said to us, while we sat and stoned and paused our minds into the face of a young and glorious girl with interest only in interest, “Jazz is for the eyes, color it brown, whites, blacks, and tans.” 59. This brilliantly empty holograph is mapped and mapping, platinum and complete – Here and there, balanced all – push and pull, the same, the same – held in motion soft and dreaming, disintentions ring the bell in hand, tho the hammer gone, its rhythm sings a constant, silent hum and drum in ivory grains of sanding wave, as a single note, a vital tear. We are the smile and rage of Shiva’s mindless dance. 60. It’s said, “the centre cannot hold” it becomes unfolding before the fold there is nothing here between this life betwixt with death there is nothing here which we do not know And so before the night began by dropping heavy stars upon my brow Before my birth, before our God and his breathy word, before the end and after on, I knew it all, and let it rest, in keyless vaults where men do not destroy. 61. I was lying. Each word a color, transferring pigments and tone into individual code. Cipher, cipher, and be such liars; cipher, cipher, the words we speak be dire. Turning the corner we have piles of leaves shooting about in a fury of gold and yellow brushed quickly up into vision’s path. What is this? And that? Many spinning things they are, pretending permanence with edges hard. 62. Pell-mell bone piles slipping out of lips like water. But wine is what is sought while sober and death is looked about during life. And opinion only this: a way of life for dying. 63. Address to The Pre-posthumous Peoples Faster, now. It is not, but for many, is illusions. So at the falling apart of non- existence, as it speeds, fear will tear at the shedding skins. Holding near with want. Cannot be helped, but the nothing in your way. 64. My flavor extends itself, but to what extent? To whom? And what will they know of the tongue? None of the wines ferment the drunken steps of man, they stumble against the water’s edge and wade the days to a drowning end. 65. So you think and live in dishonesty to get to love? Wrong path; death awaits. 66. Slowly the only process always willing will it move and as part we could look slowly at what is imparted 67. As agate This gate is seeming Spread upon itself 68. Oscillation pokes a hole at each end. Thru the whole while at extremes one peaks. See the quick eyes. 69. Overly miseretic copulations, derive sustenance through entrainment. Back logged and rolodexed into a spun religion. Entomology has become trivialized b by generational laccoons in perceivance and symbol. This is not referencable. Reduced cubicles become our parceling. 70. The object of acquisition has forgotten itself into the backdrop of ideas, drained of movement, of significant light and rotation. Now and then the way of spring has been cleared; nothing yet excepting. 71. Entered with a broken sense of romantic joys. As if being strangled by each emotion in turned. Constricted by the past movements represented now by these neon vestiges. Dug into the ground; placed by skinless hands into the motions. Things imbibed, curled presence, dying in the bops. Entered with broken joys, becomes fixation of false axioms, on the cross of today, facing canyon walls, I refrain from further echoes. 72. After this day, long & undivided, a reversal of value, back upon the words loosed and lost, the mass forgoes memory’s law, while maligning tendrils distribute a newness of contradiction in the guise of dissonant parcel. The all is part and parcel’s part is grained in fibrous touch. To, now, structure / meter / scan upon the page, while my lips in earless air do part, is but a simple switch and flick of the doers doner’s dying. The reversal speaks the speech of change, the vestigial past is then the seeds of mind . . . fruition comes and no is now a flowering yes . . .but the mid-day approaches soon – flowers close and contemplate the connections bridging time. 73. Tell me: Can you circle absence In the present frame? Can you pluck the thing What has not a name? 74. Small worlds sometimes collide everything falls apart men die tragic dreams fulfill our want of all resurrections what may come what may reverse into our veins and nothing then falls apart or even linked together is a ramble of moving like and seeing like just blur of buttered color upon the back-hoe of sounding waves / noise/ incom / of sylla / bus / bul / all is nothing then while collisions and everything dreams a part. 75. What I wish to mean I cannot say, an empty statement, keeping all freedom at bay. Furthermore, I do not wish to say; furthermore, I do not wish to mean; furthermore I do not wish to wish nor speak from the first person, which obliges authorship in place, and gets men dead. Heads upon the platter shine equal to both sides . . . dead matter – energetic structures – man working on corporeal crust – useless motions and spending. Upon this platter each head is prehumously placed to shine with deadened equality. 76. The grey dust has been floating and latent and present since our eyes have opened unto the rising sun. It has settled now among the bones and shows us the line, but still we examine, and our relative points spread across the spectrum of delusion. The stillness is no mask. 77. Fingers, listen! Loose your grip On this empty mug upon the bar. From strain and sip, your blood, it drips And pools among the line Of echoed cheers and dusty seats. Know this: your mug has always been And forever will be dry. 78. Man is bound to earthen mind By empty casings, bones set loose From lips, with the meaning marrow drained and lost, gone within, resound without. 79. Advantages and disadvantages of doing nothing become listed and re-listed in the cryptic messages of someone split and shaken down by words. Taken down and beaten by a man holding, in his left a sickle, in his right a tongue. Where are we going? More lists and splits to the end of our days (each day a list and split from the day before and the day to come). Then we are done. So may we join what is truly joined? 80. Something sits within and spins, but not the soul (which I do not know); not the mind (a mirroring shattered with every bone loosed from lip a violence cracks and whips a spot upon the earth below Liars, you do not lie; Tellers of truth, truth is faux. 81. I’ve given up on graffiti. On the wall is in place a nameless form, planting all of our rules into themselves, a redundant seed, and there is no interest in fact. You said it best, and our tongues hung low during the mushroom cloud crucifixion. 82. The switch is a carrot, until you eat it. Then the eating is dying, and the death is some lively nourishment. But carrots have strings, and memory, memes, and habit fucked a knot out of nothing. The magic is here, but limp, limp, limp. 83. I held that bitches arm, and very tightly, for I was scared she would vanish from memory, and I think that she will, very soon. The river to the west implanted fear with its reddening waters, and the flies knew; the were coming in swarms, engulfing the air with the sound that will keep the streets clear of easy smiles for years. We were all dead or dying, she knew this; and the flies attacked her feast. 84. bus stop at night where time is stretched tightly between your eyes and that corner and nothing seems to move until that time is loose again been waiting long late for work the bus does not care so I stand and look at the wetness shining up and down the long street few cars little movement and much space between the gaslights between the movements and sounds 85. I started, rapidly, to breath this new, strange air, it gave me silence and living dreams. Before the facts, I knew certain things, like numbers and lists and thoughts from other men. This lasted for two weeks, it cracked my teeth, and told me stories. I met a being, slightly female, whispered that of planets, and evolution. We would grow, said she, into the kind of her, and breath this gas complete. I ignored her, and met the devil on the closet floor. I made some money with my gambling gift as I pulled air so deep, but death rumbled its quick, quick coming . . . I closed the valve and went to sleep. 86. The searching seems to find us more than the same. Tho we cannot know. And seem to find distance as a closer friend than thee. Racked our brains it finds a way to move in hope. Tho we cannot know, and seem to find only naught in what we think is seen. “A clear break,” we found our thoughts thinking, for it was a day, and [ . . .] we drink that afternoon wine and still now, as the clocks are growing endless hands, we drink that bitter wine, silent round a shattered jug. 87. We sat upon that stony edge and found a swirling yellow-backed shell. It lacked the movements of sightly life, though it let off its pattern – the inner-heated spin of growth 88. Be done with you: an empty mug upon the bar. Sit among the line of echoed cheers and dusty seats as your sweat runs dry. Now here I have the handle slipping not within my hand but useless is this truth the glass I see is made of tempered sand. 89. It was hung like this at birth: simply, upside down. Turned and twined against an inverness image of the cross, we all began our ambient journey thru the golden cold desert of ideas, at the very same moment. All the while entwined. Now and now the threading path has woven across length and breadth of this fabric’s colored face. Permanent and unceasing in this simple march towards the fire, where children do not play, he holds a knife beneath his cloak, and wears a smile on his face. Blue eyes, red lips, white skin, we always find him waving his freest hand, we return the gesture same, and do not notice that wrist of his, shackled to a pole. – Nothing becomes separated; this is all kept so much a secret as history. The ceremony nears: a final folding, the retirement of an empty smile, and springish rains to give drink as life to the children tending gardens wet with greeny greeny asphodels. Though we cannot know, and only in the truest sweating laughter does the satyr feel the hands upon the edges worn, beginning to crease and fold. The lonely ones hear forest flutes being played in hidden Dionysian spirit. The lonely ones live alone, love the silence, and project upon the wall. I could see it as this: the shackle set loose, the knife melted down, the smile laid straight; his naked corpse, pulled flatly taught, is stretched beneath the pole, which forever onward is freedom unadorned. The folding ends as metallic movement in a regret-less balanced song, played by lonely hands who’ve always felt and known a certain distance from the notes. The fabric squared, with cross and all, is set upon a sacrificial altar piece, and with weights upon the corners four, a flame is manifest. 90. Something misdirected(directed) within this expression, a manner of taking the complicated network-expressions into immediate and blinding account; there seems a sense beyond this, and with its word I am rarely familiar, and more often scared. The questions I pose with remedial intent do not suffice, and I suffer the senses of the blind for this lack of inquisitive direction. All questions of meaning became a nihilist dream, arbitrary and ultimately abstracted. My mind’s delusion left its turn and in its place crept an escapable nothing. -- R.L. Kleeberger r.kleeberger@shimer.edu1 Copyright 2003 (C) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:33:00 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F8rn=20Magnhild=F8en?= Subject: Re: BBC & Flarf In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" 26.08.2003 08:10:45, "K. Silem Mohammad" wrote: >A couple of people asked whether my Flarf interview Saturday the 24th on BBC >World Service radio was or will be archived. I don't know. I sent an >e-mail to the person who originally contacted me, so maybe I'll hear >something soon. Or maybe not. > >Lest anyone build it up too much, the excerpts from the original 5 minutes >or so of conversation that finally made it onto the air basically consist of >me reading the last 4 or 5 lines of "Stupidity Owns Me" from COMBO 12, and >then explaining that Flarf is intentionally bad poetry that involves Google >search text results, and the interviewer saying, yes, but is it art, and me >saying, why yes, it is art, and her saying, prove it, then me saying >something about the collaborative process etc. etc. > >The best part was the interviewer's Irish accent. "Flarrruf." > >Kasey > Dyke to open up BBC archive (billedtekst) Greg Dyke predicts a more public-focused broadcasting future Greg Dyke, director general of the BBC, has announced plans to give the public full access to all the corporation's programme archives. Mr Dyke said on Sunday that everyone would in future be able to download BBC radio and TV programmes from the internet. The service, the BBC Creative Archive, would be free and available to everyone, as long as they were not intending to use the material for commercial purposes, Mr Dyke added. "The BBC probably has the best television library in the world," said Mr Dyke, who was speaking at the Edinburgh TV Festival. "Up until now this huge resource has remained locked up, inaccessible to the public because there hasn't been an effective mechanism for distribution. "But the digital revolution and broadband are changing all that. "For the first time there is an easy and affordable way of making this treasure trove of BBC content available to all." He predicted that everyone would benefit from the online archive, from people accessing the internet at home, children and adults using public libraries, to students at school and university. Future focus Mr Dyke appeared at the TV festival to give the Richard Dunn interview, one of the main events of the three-day industry event. He said the new online service was part of the corporation's future, or "second phase", strategy for the development of digital technology. Mr Dyke said he believed this second phase would see a shift of emphasis by broadcasters. Their focus would move away from commercial considerations to providing "public value", he said. "I believe that we are about to move into a second phase of the digital revolution, a phase which will be more about public than private value; about free, not pay services; about inclusivity, not exclusion. "In particular, it will be about how public money can be combined with new digital technologies to transform everyone's lives." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 08:41:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gwyn McVay Subject: Re: HISTORY OF THEORISM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Do Andalusian theorists keep dogs? Gwyn --- "Nobody gets paid for being a poemer." -- Bucky the cat, "Get Fuzzy," 6/30/03 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 05:59:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030827213426.5596.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Flora... I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here and though spoken word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here participate in the big slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to off some insight and give you some names here if that would be helpful kari edwards 3435 Cesar Chavez #327 San Francisco, CA, 94110 415-647-6981 terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life of p. From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com ________________________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, by kari edwards, 2003 (fall) _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm prose / fiction http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora fair wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam poetry > and its relationship (positive and negative) to other > poetry communities. I would love any comments on the > subject, including experiences anyone has had at > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state of > modern poetry in the context of television and other > media, and slams as they apply to the human tradition > of storytelling. All feedback will help to reinforce > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any > responses may be published by the magazine. > > Thanks, > Flora > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:54:55 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: announcement: BLACKBOX summer gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The BLACKBOX summer gallery is now online. An olio of styles by Andrew Topel, Jukka Pekka Kervinen, Vernon Frazer, Donna Kuhn, Catherine Daly, and Jody Abra. Go to WilliamJamesAustin.com and follow the BLACKBOX link. Be sure to check out previous galleries also. Thanks everyone. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <86918377-D957-11D7-8833-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kari, That would be great. Any input toward my general questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view the slam community there? Is it more prominent than other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you would like to e-mail me contact info for people I could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please forward my e-mail address to your contacts. Thanks again, Flora --- kari edwards wrote: > Flora... > I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here > and though spoken > word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here > participate in the big > slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to > off some insight and > give you some names here if that would be helpful > > kari edwards > 3435 Cesar Chavez > #327 > San Francisco, CA, 94110 > 415-647-6981 > terra1@sonic.net > _________________ > -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- > _________________ > > NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life > of p. > From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 > @ Small Press Distribution > http://www.spdbooks.org/ > @ amazon.com > ________________________________ > Announcing from O Books: iduna, > by kari edwards, > 2003 (fall) > _________________________________ > a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* > Books, 2002 > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm > ________________________________ > Also check out: > live recording: > http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html > > interview: > http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ > edwards.shtml > > http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml > > on narrative: > http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm > > prose / fiction > http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm > http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ > literary_magazine.html > http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html > http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm > http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html > http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm > > poetry: > http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm > http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm > http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm > http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm > http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html > http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm > http://www.xpressed.org/ > http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html > > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora > fair wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative > > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam > poetry > > and its relationship (positive and negative) to > other > > poetry communities. I would love any comments on > the > > subject, including experiences anyone has had at > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state > of > > modern poetry in the context of television and > other > > media, and slams as they apply to the human > tradition > > of storytelling. All feedback will help to > reinforce > > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any > > responses may be published by the magazine. > > > > Thanks, > > Flora > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:16:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: pure pollute MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII pure pollute invisibility of this missive insertion into inbox kill and delete filter cauterized literature broken words like small birds with broken wings struggling mama mama to say a few things o those of you who deign to hear listen and do not fear the images and prose i send and you will see those small birds' broken wings mend ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:53:30 -0400 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Post 9/11 Poetic Response MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Fusbol. Haas Bianchi wrote: > depends what sport-- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:54:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Poetry Slams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed An interesting slam story.... Poet Victorio Reyes was kicked out of a slam in the Midwest (cannot remember where) for being to political. He was very disheartened by the experience because he had been competing down at the Nuyorican, and had always thought of Poetry Slams and Open mics as venues to open dialogue on Revolutionary ideology. I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has become mainstream and has shifted to a good evening of entertainment as opposed to a space for challenging discussions. Ian VanHeusen ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan >From: flora fair >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 > >Kari, > >That would be great. Any input toward my general >questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view >the slam community there? Is it more prominent than >other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East >Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you >would like to e-mail me contact info for people I >could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please >feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please >forward my e-mail address to your contacts. > >Thanks again, >Flora > >--- kari edwards wrote: > > Flora... > > I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here > > and though spoken > > word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here > > participate in the big > > slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to > > off some insight and > > give you some names here if that would be helpful > > > > kari edwards > > 3435 Cesar Chavez > > #327 > > San Francisco, CA, 94110 > > 415-647-6981 > > terra1@sonic.net > > _________________ > > -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- > > _________________ > > > > NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life > > of p. > > From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 > > @ Small Press Distribution > > http://www.spdbooks.org/ > > @ amazon.com > > ________________________________ > > Announcing from O Books: iduna, > > by kari edwards, > > 2003 (fall) > > _________________________________ > > a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* > > Books, 2002 > > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm > > ________________________________ > > Also check out: > > live recording: > > >http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html > > > > interview: > > http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ > > edwards.shtml > > > > http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml > > > > on narrative: > > >http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm > > > > prose / fiction > > >http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm > > >http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ > > literary_magazine.html > > >http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm > > >http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html > > http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm > > http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html > > http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm > > > > poetry: > > http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm > > http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm > > >http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm > > http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm > > >http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html > > http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm > > http://www.xpressed.org/ > > http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora > > fair wrote: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative > > > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam > > poetry > > > and its relationship (positive and negative) to > > other > > > poetry communities. I would love any comments on > > the > > > subject, including experiences anyone has had at > > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state > > of > > > modern poetry in the context of television and > > other > > > media, and slams as they apply to the human > > tradition > > > of storytelling. All feedback will help to > > reinforce > > > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any > > > responses may be published by the magazine. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Flora > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:18:47 -0600 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Collom & Sikelianos in Boulder, CO Sept. 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Left Hand Reading Series presents: JACK COLLOM & ELENI SIKELIANOS 8:00 PM SEPT. 12 at the Left Hand Bookstore (1200 Pearl St. #10) in Boulder. Free and open to the public. Jack Collom good poet. Silly. Old. Chicago, Colorado. Forestry, birds, Tripoli, ach du lieber. Knows what a dactyl is. Factory. Kids. Divorce. Beer. Divorce. A country intellectual. 2 NEA's. Yodelers Anonymous. Red Car Goes By. Tender, sensitive. Woof. Eleni Sikelianos's most recent books of poems are The Monster Lives of Boys & Girls (Green Integer, 2003) and Earliest Worlds (Coffee House Press, Minneapolis, MN: April 2001). She has been conferred a number of awards for her poetry, nonfiction and translations, including the National Poetry Series, a Fulbright Writer's Fellowship in Greece, and a National Endowment for the Arts Creative Writing Fellowship in Poetry. She teaches at both Naropa University and the University of Denver. For more information call: (303) 443-3685 The Left Hand Reading Series is an independent series presenting readings of original literary works by emerging and established writers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 492-3923 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:45:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Tina Darragh contact info? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello Everyone, Could someone backchannel me contact info for Tina Darragh? Many kind thanks in advance! Gary _________________________________________________________________ Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:45:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" i'd love to know where ;; was it minnesota? how can i find out? At 1:54 PM -0400 8/28/03, Ian VanHeusen wrote: >An interesting slam story.... Poet Victorio Reyes was kicked out of a slam >in the Midwest (cannot remember where) for being to political. He was very >disheartened by the experience because he had been competing down at the >Nuyorican, and had always thought of Poetry Slams and Open mics as venues to >open dialogue on Revolutionary ideology. > >I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has become mainstream and has >shifted to a good evening of entertainment as opposed to a space for >challenging discussions. > >Ian VanHeusen > > > >________________________________________________ > NO TRESPASSING > 4/17 of a haiku > -Richard Brautigan > > > > >>From: flora fair >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 >> >>Kari, >> >>That would be great. Any input toward my general >>questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view >>the slam community there? Is it more prominent than >>other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East >>Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you >>would like to e-mail me contact info for people I >>could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please >>feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please >>forward my e-mail address to your contacts. >> >>Thanks again, >>Flora >> >>--- kari edwards wrote: >>> Flora... >>> I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here >>> and though spoken >>> word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here >>> participate in the big >>> slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to >>> off some insight and >>> give you some names here if that would be helpful >>> >>> kari edwards >>> 3435 Cesar Chavez >>> #327 >>> San Francisco, CA, 94110 >>> 415-647-6981 >>> terra1@sonic.net >>> _________________ >>> -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- >>> _________________ >>> >>> NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life >>> of p. >>> From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 >>> @ Small Press Distribution >>> http://www.spdbooks.org/ >>> @ amazon.com >>> ________________________________ >>> Announcing from O Books: iduna, >>> by kari edwards, >>> 2003 (fall) >>> _________________________________ >>> a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* >> > Books, 2002 >> > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm >> > ________________________________ >> > Also check out: >> > live recording: >> > >>http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html >>> >>> interview: >>> http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ >>> edwards.shtml >>> >>> http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml >>> >>> on narrative: >>> >>http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm >>> >>> prose / fiction >>> >>http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm >>> >>http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ >>> literary_magazine.html >>> >>http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm >>> >>http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html >>> http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm >>> http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html >>> http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm >>> >>> poetry: >>> http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm >>> http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm >>> >>http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm >>> http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm >>> >>http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html >>> http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm >>> http://www.xpressed.org/ >>> http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora >>> fair wrote: >>> >>> > Hello all, >>> > >>> > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative >>> > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam >>> poetry >>> > and its relationship (positive and negative) to >>> other >>> > poetry communities. I would love any comments on >>> the >>> > subject, including experiences anyone has had at >> > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state >>> of >>> > modern poetry in the context of television and >>> other >>> > media, and slams as they apply to the human >>> tradition >>> > of storytelling. All feedback will help to >>> reinforce >>> > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any >>> > responses may be published by the magazine. >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Flora >>> > >>> > __________________________________ >>> > Do you Yahoo!? >>> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>> design software >>> > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> > >>> > >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Do you Yahoo!? >>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:44:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Coquettes Transformed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed heart insinuated, my twin runaway coquettes claim my own Virginia a cue to heaven: milk simple milk "we night. now." crumbled before the full pounce could succeed kiss, in parting, her hand, my apes _________________________________________________________________ Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:57:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: USA has a new poet laureate Comments: To: UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit How does one comment? Or? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:03:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: The Coquettes Transformed In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Yes, indeed, I remember the Cockettes fondly. Sylvester's luscious sexy voice, all the glitter, Chumbly's music, camp beyond camp -- so many gone, lost to AIDS, such innocent delight -- Tricia's Wedding when Nixon fondled Kissinger's dick -- such waves of nostalgia. One day we will all become Hibiscus. Hilton At 04:44 PM 8/28/2003 -0500, Harrison Jeff wrote: >heart insinuated, >my twin runaway >coquettes claim >my own Virginia >a cue to heaven: >milk simple milk >"we night. now." >crumbled before >the full pounce >could succeed >kiss, in parting, >her hand, my apes > >_________________________________________________________________ >Enter for your chance to IM with Bon Jovi, Seal, Bow Wow, or Mary J Blige >using MSN Messenger http://entertainment.msn.com/imastar ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:48:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Barrett Watten | Buffalo August 29th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To kick off the new Fall season of Poetics @ Buffalo::: B a r r e t t W a t t e n presents a talk on "Negativity" this Friday, August 29, 8:00 pm at Rust Belt Books 202 Allen St. Reception to follow graciously hosted by Kyle Schlesinger 383 Summer Street (west of Richmond) BYOB Poet and critic, Watten is the author of numerous books including Total Syntax, Frame (1971-1990), and Bad History. This talk emerges from Watten's most recent collection of essays, The Constructivist Moment: From Material Text to Cultural Poetics. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:58:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: September Readings for Experimental Theology MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE News From Seattle Research Institute www.seattleresearchinstitute.org For Immediate Release Contact: Megan Purn megan@seattleresearchinstitute.org Readings/Book Reprint/Bumbershoot August 28, 2003 ******************************************************** SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE ANNOUNCES FALL READINGS OF EXPERIMENTAL THEOLOGY Mark your calendars! Wed, Sept 10, 2003, 7:30 pm Polestar Music Gallery at 1412 18th Avenue www.polestarmusic.org http://www.polestarmusic.org/ Reading from their works will be: award-winning novelist Rebecca Brown (A Family Medical Dictionary, The End Of Youth, The Gifts of the Body), poet/playwright John Olsen (Free Stream Velocity, Echo Regime), poet/publisher Nico Vassilakis (Subtext, Subrosa Press), and designer/poet Megan Purn. Sat, Sept 20, 2003, 7:30 pm The Elliott Bay Book Company at 101 S. Main Street www.elliottbaybook.com http://www.elliottbaybook.com/ Reading from their works will be: award-winning journalist Lesley Hazleton (Jerusalem, Jerusalem, Where Mountains Roar), poet/publisher Nico Vassilakis (Subtext, Subrosa Press), and editor Robert Corbett. Experimental Theology is a 27-piece collection of essays, fiction, and poetry reflecting upon religion in its various guises. The second book in Seattle Research Institute=92s Public Text Series following Politics Without The State (2002), this anthology corrects the mistaken belief that "experimental" or "independent" writing fears the transcendental. Among its widely varied pieces are an analysis of the ontology of Philip K. Dick, a true parable about the unreliability of the written Word, and support for Angelism as the new postmodern religion. Experimental Theology, Public Text No. 0.2 Edited by Robert Corbett and Rebecca Brown Designed by Megan Purn ISBN: 0972499601 Available for sale at: Elliott Bay Book Company, Bailey Coy Books, Confounded Books, Left Bank Books, Reading Frenzy, and www.pistilbooks.net PRAISE FOR EXPERIMENTAL THEOLOGY: "While you should not look to this book for spiritual solace or ecstatic transport, you should certainly give it your attention for . . . [its] surefooted, smarty-pants writers . . . and innovative publi= shing from a truly independent source." --Sonya Gomez, The Stranger ******************************************************* SEATTLE RESEARCH INSTITUTE IS PROUD TO ANNOUNCE THE BUMBERSHOOT BOOTLEG REPRINT OF: Politics Without The State: Joy, Terror and Depression in the Global Corporate Order, Public Text No 1.0 Edited by Charles Tonderai Mudede and Diana George First printing 2002; Second printing August 2003 Back after popular demand! Readers devoured Politics Without The State in 2002, and now, with the generous assistance of Clear Cut Press, S.R.I. has printed a second edition= with the assistance of the lovely clerks at Kinko=92s. This anthology features political writing for the masses by: Nic Veroli, Ch= arles Mudede, Diana George, and Robert Corbett and was designed by Evan Sul= t. *********************************************** Don=92t forget to stop by and say hi to EXPERIMENTAL THEOLOGY and POLITICS = WITHOUT THE STATE at the Z.A.P.P. Bumbershoot table August 29-Sept 1! They= =92ll be sad they missed you! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:17:46 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: Komunyakaa's Best of MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just happened upon the new Best Am Poetry of 2003, edited by Komunyakaa, and noticed that his introduction is a rather rabid blast at what he sometimes calls "exploratory" poetry. I mean, this is really striking - beyond what you might expect. Check it out and see what you think. RA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:25:03 -0400 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: Komunyakaa's Best of MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To my ear it seemed like a particular blast at Creeley (editor of last year's volume) -- but maybe that is his way of clearing a space for himsel= f to unpack his own poetics? Note how "exploratory poetry" is seen to a) grow out of Black Mountain poetry and b) serve as a verbal equivalent of Rauschenberg's "erased DeKooning drawing," (ie the total destruction of something beautiful for the amusement of a few eggheads) (and further links to Al-Qaeda style terrorism) (eggheads as terrorists)=2E All in the name of a more populist= poetics, the kind Pulitzer Prize winners practice=2E -- Hi Rae xxx Kevin K=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: RaeA100900@AOL=2ECOM Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:17:46 EDT To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: Komunyakaa's Best of I just happened upon the new Best Am Poetry of 2003, edited by Komunyaka= a, and noticed that his introduction is a rather rabid blast at what he sometimes calls "exploratory" poetry=2E I mean, this is really striking - beyond what you might expect=2E Check it out and see what you think=2E RA -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:29:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am pleased by this. I can approach her poetry with genuine respect while I could not pick up either Collins or that other one without snickering. It's not Creeley, as it should be, but it's better many other possible candidates. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: USA has a new poet laureate > How does one comment? Or? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:41:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: What is Poetry: Conversations with the American Avant-Garde Discount Comments: To: writenet@twc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just a clarification - the discount is for individual members of the Poetics/Writenet listserves and does not apply to bookstores or multiple orders. best, --daniel -- http://www.ucpress.edu/books/pages/9278.html http://www.uea.ac.uk/eas/People/kane/kane.htm Some of the swans are swarming. The spring has gone under--it wasn't supposed to be like this. --John Ashbery ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:53:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ian, Yes, I wonder if it stems from the competitive nature of slams. Or the performance itself, somehow lessening the content of the words on the page. Flora > > I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has > become mainstream and has > shifted to a good evening of entertainment as > opposed to a space for > challenging discussions. > > Ian VanHeusen > > > > ________________________________________________ > NO TRESPASSING > 4/17 of a haiku > -Richard Brautigan > > > > > > >From: flora fair > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Re: Poetry Slams > >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 > > > >Kari, > > > >That would be great. Any input toward my general > >questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you > view > >the slam community there? Is it more prominent than > >other poetry communities? Does it differ from the > East > >Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you > >would like to e-mail me contact info for people I > >could speak with about this (pro and/or con), > please > >feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please > >forward my e-mail address to your contacts. > > > >Thanks again, > >Flora > > > >--- kari edwards wrote: > > > Flora... > > > I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big > here > > > and though spoken > > > word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here > > > participate in the big > > > slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy > to > > > off some insight and > > > give you some names here if that would be > helpful > > > > > > kari edwards > > > 3435 Cesar Chavez > > > #327 > > > San Francisco, CA, 94110 > > > 415-647-6981 > > > terra1@sonic.net > > > _________________ > > > -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- > > > _________________ > > > > > > NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the > life > > > of p. > > > From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 > > > @ Small Press Distribution > > > http://www.spdbooks.org/ > > > @ amazon.com > > > ________________________________ > > > Announcing from O Books: iduna, > > > by kari edwards, > > > 2003 (fall) > > > _________________________________ > > > a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* > > > Books, 2002 > > > > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm > > > ________________________________ > > > Also check out: > > > live recording: > > > > >http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html > > > > > > interview: > > > > http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ > > > edwards.shtml > > > > > > http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml > > > > > > on narrative: > > > > >http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm > > > > > > prose / fiction > > > > >http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm > > > > >http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ > > > literary_magazine.html > > > > >http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm > > > > >http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html > > > http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm > > > http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html > > > http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm > > > > > > poetry: > > > http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm > > > http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm > > > > >http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm > > > http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm > > > > >http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html > > > http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm > > > http://www.xpressed.org/ > > > http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, > flora > > > fair wrote: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I'm writing a cover piece for my local > alternative > > > > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of > slam > > > poetry > > > > and its relationship (positive and negative) > to > > > other > > > > poetry communities. I would love any comments > on > > > the > > > > subject, including experiences anyone has had > at > > > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the > state > > > of > > > > modern poetry in the context of television and > > > other > > > > media, and slams as they apply to the human > > > tradition > > > > of storytelling. All feedback will help to > > > reinforce > > > > my points and maintain balance. I assume that > any > > > > responses may be published by the magazine. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Flora > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web > site > > > design software > > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:07:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Her poetry, he said, "is really the release of accumulated misery." On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 02:57 PM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > How does one comment? Or? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 20:45:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Organization: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Fulcrum 2 Now at City Lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The second issue of _Fulcrum: an annual of poetry and aesthetics_ ("Philosophies of Poetry") is now available at City Lights in San Francisco. Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. Fulcrum Annual 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 Cambridge, MA 02139, USA phone 617-864-7874 e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:16:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: USA has a new poet laureate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Canadians w/ their pick of Bowering seem to be on a better footing, taking it all farther still... and, wonderfully, too far. Gerald > How does one comment? Or? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 21:14:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030828142702.61360.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi flora you might enjoy David Hess' Slam Diary at readme -- http://home.jps.net/~nada/hess.htm i spent a couple years in Chicago in the early '90s & often went to the Green Mill, where Marc Smith started The Slam ( circa '87). Smith rocks as a performer, btw. had fun there, tho i often loathed the performers, especially those who won solely because of the audience's taste for pop culture references & lyrical cleverness. & it seemed the more smug the performer the greater the applause (present in various poetry communities & really puzzles me). occasionally, however, there would be a fab poet/performer who would make up for the disappointments. Lisa Buscani was one of them. Patricia Smith. so on. re Reyes & the Midwest-- home of the slam (Chicago/ Ann Arbor) -- i have difficulty with lumping (seemed to me implied in that post) political intolerance with the Midwest in general, of course..wd like more details about his ejection, might be a fun story. pretty sure slams didn't start as political or urban/roots poetry so much as any kind of performance poetry - rather, those genres flourished in slams because of their everyman/emotional/dynamic appeal, commiseration & accessibility & whatever else. i assume Nuyorican may've been an exception, don't know. but i have noticed that the relationship between poetry communities in Chicago back then was closer than what i sense now on the east coast (there are no Official slam venues here in Philly, oddly). i'm unsure if that's due to historical or geo-cultural differences. tho i've not attended slams/spoken word/etc performances much on this coast, i get the impression that the slam & spoken word are now geared toward a younger crowd & have become more like soap boxes & reruns = predictable/formulaic/ relatively homogenized. guess that's unfair of me if i don't go or stay informed. i'm not exactly a fan yet i do appreciate the social significance. would elaborate but i'm boring myself & feeling restless. i'll be happy to discuss more b/c if you'd like. Smith opens by singing Makin' Poetry (Whoopie). dig that. cha, hassen On 8/28/03 10:27 AM, "flora fair" wrote: > Kari, > > That would be great. Any input toward my general > questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view > the slam community there? Is it more prominent than > other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East > Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you > would like to e-mail me contact info for people I > could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please > feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please > forward my e-mail address to your contacts. > > Thanks again, > Flora > > --- kari edwards wrote: >> Flora... >> I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here >> and though spoken >> word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here >> participate in the big >> slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to >> off some insight and >> give you some names here if that would be helpful >> >> kari edwards >> 3435 Cesar Chavez >> #327 >> San Francisco, CA, 94110 >> 415-647-6981 >> terra1@sonic.net >> _________________ >> -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- >> _________________ >> >> NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life >> of p. >> From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 >> @ Small Press Distribution >> http://www.spdbooks.org/ >> @ amazon.com >> ________________________________ >> Announcing from O Books: iduna, >> by kari edwards, >> 2003 (fall) >> _________________________________ >> a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* >> Books, 2002 >> http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm >> ________________________________ >> Also check out: >> live recording: >> > http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html >> >> interview: >> http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ >> edwards.shtml >> >> http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml >> >> on narrative: >> > http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm >> >> prose / fiction >> > http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm >> > http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ >> literary_magazine.html >> > http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm >> > http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html >> http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm >> http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html >> http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm >> >> poetry: >> http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm >> http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm >> > http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm >> http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm >> > http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html >> http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm >> http://www.xpressed.org/ >> http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html >> >> >> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora >> fair wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative >>> weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam >> poetry >>> and its relationship (positive and negative) to >> other >>> poetry communities. I would love any comments on >> the >>> subject, including experiences anyone has had at >>> slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state >> of >>> modern poetry in the context of television and >> other >>> media, and slams as they apply to the human >> tradition >>> of storytelling. All feedback will help to >> reinforce >>> my points and maintain balance. I assume that any >>> responses may be published by the magazine. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Flora >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >> design software >>> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:56:25 -0700 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: Fwd: ON 40th ANNIVERSARY OF "I HAVE A DREAM" COMPUTER VIRUS REVOKES CIVIL RIGHTS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 The question in my mind is not about who is the poet laureate, for me the question is how does poetry survive in this environment where power is so concentrated and abused. Okay, re: the aesthetics/ethics question, I don't have much more to say on it. When I saw the fine productions by the Gate Theater Co., I got it. luv and kisses. Katharine Harris *** There is an attachment in this mail. *** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 01:15:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: /sound MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [alan alan]$ cd ../../web/portal [alan portal]$ wc *.wav 114199 570459 14193204 flute3.wav 1228017 4839226 76095862 oboe2.wav 411012 1827597 44714658 piano1.wav 1753228 7237282 135003724 total [alan portal]$ some music at the portal apologies for length piano1's the only will fit the others speak for themselves - alan apologies again the whole site the size of a linux distor ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:34:06 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: Barrett Watten | Techno Music Paper In-Reply-To: <32129203.1062096516@pslck2-36.pubsites.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A while back someone was asking about a Watten book/paper/ essay on Techno music. To my memory, that question wasn't answered. Is there something on it in this latest book? I haven't been able to find any info on it on the web. What areas does the piece (I have no idea what it is) cover? It would seem that to discuss, say, Detroit techno, one would have to also include Stockhausen and Boulez at least, if not Russolo and Varese amongst many many others. And then there's the British, European, and Japanese techno movements.. I'd imagine it's quite long, no? -Ben On 8/29/03 7:48 AM, "Poetics List Administration" wrote: > To kick off the new Fall season of Poetics @ Buffalo::: > > B a r r e t t W a t t e n > presents a talk on > "Negativity" > > this Friday, August 29, > 8:00 pm > at > Rust Belt Books > 202 Allen St. > > Reception to follow > graciously hosted by > Kyle Schlesinger > 383 Summer Street > (west of Richmond) > > BYOB > > > Poet and critic, Watten is the author of numerous books including Total > Syntax, Frame (1971-1990), and Bad History. This talk emerges from > Watten's most recent collection of essays, The Constructivist Moment: From > Material Text to Cultural Poetics. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 22:39:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's not likely, since the Poet Laureate convention is based on British tradition, but in the U.S., it would be more interesting to see this post shared by "representatives." Even a triumvirate might better reflect the poetics of such a vast empire. I'm not talking PC here. Gloria Frym On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:57:21 -0700 Stephen Vincent wrote: >How does one comment? 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Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/20/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:34:09 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: Barrett Watten | Techno Music Paper In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 'The Constructivist Moment: from El Lissitzky to Detroit Techno.' is the key essay in the book imho. I can give a flavor of Watten's intro para to the piece: '. . . the spatial figure for this essay is the crossing of borders between incommensurate zones that have been constructed in Detroit's relatively short but convulsive history. Inspired by Detroit, and challenged by the many experiences of mutual exclusion one has when living there, I wanted to make the most unlikely comparison possible to unveil the stakes of a radical modernism trapped within the productivist lifeworld. What resulted was a dual research project in which I turned to the work of El Lissitzky, emblematic of radical modernism in its most formally articulated utopian mode, and the recent development of the experimental electronic music known as Detroit techno, as examples of the mutual permeability of radical form and modern lifeworld. A poetics of negative exemplarity is the bridge between the two, drawn out in contrasting modernist and postmodern examples from Louis Zukovsky and Jean Day. This essay, then, is an exercise in disjunction as much as conjunction, an attempt at the reciprocal illumination of cultural possibilities that ought to have more to do with each other, but because of the sterile framework of assigned cultural values, do not.' i recommend it love and love cris ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 03:14:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Stephen Vincent wrote: > How does one comment? Or? My question, too. It's like being informed who got the contract to mow the White House lawn for the next two years. --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:31:07 -0400 Reply-To: devineni@rattapallax.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Organization: Rattapallax Subject: Marathon Reading on AIDS in Africa In-Reply-To: <20030829101451.13329.qmail@web21604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Marathon Reading on AIDS in Africa September 2, 2003 starting at 5 PM. Bowery Poetry Club, 308 Bowery St., between Houston & Bleecker, NYC 212.614.0505 http://www.rattapallax.com/aids.htm $10 suggested donation and in return you will get to stay as long as you like and get books from Rattapallax Press valuing over $15. All proceeds will go to Ghana Education Project.=20 =20 5:00-6:00 PM: Jackie Sheeler, Clara Sala, Ron Price, Karen Swenson, Peter Rojcewicz, Vincent Toro, Daniela Gioseffi, Mei-mei Berssenbrugge, Todd Colby, Brendan Lorber, Jade Sharma, Bill Kushner & Kazim Ali. 6:00-7:00 PM: Yerra Sugarman, Claudia Alick, Jesse Alick, Pat Duffy, F.D Reeve, Daniel Nester, Minnie Bruce Pratt, Isabelle Balot, tyren (grfx), Nicole Blackman, Karma Mayet Johnson & Tory Dent. 7:00-8:00 PM: Emanuel Xavier, Patricia Carlin, Timothy Liu, Anselm Berrigan, Vijay Seshadri, Keith Roach, Glyn Maxwell, Willie Perdomo, William Pitt Root, Breyten Breytenbach & Yusef Komunyaaka. 8:00-9:00 PM: Kwaku Kwaakye Obeng, Grace Schulman, Lynne Procope, Marie Ponsot, Haale, Meena Alexander, Guy LeCharles Gonzalez & Second2Last. 9:00-10:00 PM: Felice Belle, Bonnie Rose Marcus, Sapphire, Cecilia Vicu=F1a, Kahlil Almustafa, Barbara Jane Reyes, Bob Holman, Aracelis Girmay, Edwin Torres, Jane Sprague, Fl=E1via Rocha, Prageeta Sharma & Carlos Gomez. 10:00-11:00 PM: Douglas Martin, Jeet Thayil, C.A. Conrad, Nathalie Handal, Elaine Schwager, Regie Cabico, Guy Sharar, Travis Montez, Elaine Sexton, Karen Jaime, Derek Beres & Cole Rachel. 11:00 PM-12:00 AM: HIP-HOP POETRY hosted by Rocky. Featuring Wiseguy & Gaston, Juggaknots, MANICexpressize, Wordsworth, Evolution, Anacaona & others. 12:00 - 1:00 AM: Open-mic hosted by Ram Devineni. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Grant Matthew Jenkins Subject: Poetry Slams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but I find most of the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to be boring and very conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic (rhyme, a rather stereotypical version of a black dialect, autobiographical content, boasting, etc) and does not really allow for much diversity. The other thing that bothers me is the competitive nature of the events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that says winning (or sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more important than poetry. This reinforces an individualist ideology that runs counter to the kind of collaborative, communal poetics most of us on this list, if I may presume, are interested in. My 2 cents, Grant G. Matthew Jenkins Director of the Writing Program Department of English University of Tulsa 600 S. College Ave Tulsa, OK 74104 918.631.2573 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:39:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Poetry Slams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I should ask him... but I believe it was a major city and the particular venue is known as the birthplace of slam. He told me that at this venue the crowd can reject a poet first by snaping and then they continue by stomping their feet. I will be sure to ask. ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan >From: Maria Damon >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:45:56 -0500 > >i'd love to know where ;; was it minnesota? how can i find out? > >At 1:54 PM -0400 8/28/03, Ian VanHeusen wrote: >>An interesting slam story.... Poet Victorio Reyes was kicked out of a slam >>in the Midwest (cannot remember where) for being to political. He was very >>disheartened by the experience because he had been competing down at the >>Nuyorican, and had always thought of Poetry Slams and Open mics as venues >>to >>open dialogue on Revolutionary ideology. >> >>I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has become mainstream and >>has >>shifted to a good evening of entertainment as opposed to a space for >>challenging discussions. >> >>Ian VanHeusen >> >> >> >>________________________________________________ >> NO TRESPASSING >> 4/17 of a haiku >> -Richard Brautigan >> >> >> >> >>>From: flora fair >>>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 >>> >>>Kari, >>> >>>That would be great. Any input toward my general >>>questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view >>>the slam community there? Is it more prominent than >>>other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East >>>Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you >>>would like to e-mail me contact info for people I >>>could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please >>>feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please >>>forward my e-mail address to your contacts. >>> >>>Thanks again, >>>Flora >>> >>>--- kari edwards wrote: >>>> Flora... >>>> I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here >>>> and though spoken >>>> word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here >>>> participate in the big >>>> slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to >>>> off some insight and >>>> give you some names here if that would be helpful >>>> >>>> kari edwards >>>> 3435 Cesar Chavez >>>> #327 >>>> San Francisco, CA, 94110 >>>> 415-647-6981 >>>> terra1@sonic.net >>>> _________________ >>>> -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- >>>> _________________ >>>> >>>> NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life >>>> of p. >>>> From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 >>>> @ Small Press Distribution >>>> http://www.spdbooks.org/ >>>> @ amazon.com >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Announcing from O Books: iduna, >>>> by kari edwards, >>>> 2003 (fall) >>>> _________________________________ >>>> a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* >>> > Books, 2002 >>> > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm >>> > ________________________________ >>> > Also check out: >>> > live recording: >>> > >>>http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html >>>> >>>> interview: >>>> http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ >>>> edwards.shtml >>>> >>>> http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml >>>> >>>> on narrative: >>>> >>>http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm >>>> >>>> prose / fiction >>>> >>>http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm >>>> >>>http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ >>>> literary_magazine.html >>>> >>>http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm >>>> >>>http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html >>>> http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm >>>> http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html >>>> http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm >>>> >>>> poetry: >>>> http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm >>>> http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm >>>> >>>http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm >>>> http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm >>>> >>>http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html >>>> http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm >>>> http://www.xpressed.org/ >>>> http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora >>>> fair wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hello all, >>>> > >>>> > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative >>>> > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam >>>> poetry >>>> > and its relationship (positive and negative) to >>>> other >>>> > poetry communities. I would love any comments on >>>> the >>>> > subject, including experiences anyone has had at >>> > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state >>>> of >>>> > modern poetry in the context of television and >>>> other >>>> > media, and slams as they apply to the human >>>> tradition >>>> > of storytelling. All feedback will help to >>>> reinforce >>>> > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any >>>> > responses may be published by the magazine. >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > Flora >>>> > >>>> > __________________________________ >>>> > Do you Yahoo!? >>>> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>> design software >>>> > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>> > >>>> > >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Yahoo! 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Also many of the Slam "poets" move very close to rap music. Now having said this there is a long tradition (back to Homer) of sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is not this. Also, and I think this is important, much of slam poetry is stereotypical. I went to the Def Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the first 'poet' my wife and I were reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under our voices. the best commentary I can make is that the number one poetry book sold in 1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today remembers that poetry book-- and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Grant Matthew Jenkins > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Poetry Slams > > > I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but I find most of > the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to be boring and very > conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic (rhyme, a rather > stereotypical version of a black dialect, autobiographical > content, boasting, etc) and does not really allow for much diversity. > > The other thing that bothers me is the competitive nature of the > events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that says winning (or > sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more important than > poetry. This reinforces an individualist ideology that runs > counter to the kind of collaborative, communal poetics most of us > on this list, if I may presume, are interested in. > > My 2 cents, > > Grant > > G. Matthew Jenkins > Director of the Writing Program > Department of English > University of Tulsa > 600 S. College Ave > Tulsa, OK 74104 > 918.631.2573 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 10:05:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Louise GLuck is an interesting choice I like her as person very much but as a poet?? I think that they ought to do something fun Rachel Blau DuPlessis for poet laureate!!!!!!!!!!!!! that would shake things up.. But what would Bill Moyers have to ask her????????? I would kill however to see someone like Professor DuPlessis reading at the Dodge Festival. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Gloria Frym > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 12:40 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate > > > It's not likely, since the Poet Laureate convention is based on British > tradition, but in the U.S., it would be more interesting to see this post > shared by "representatives." Even a triumvirate might better reflect the > poetics of such a vast empire. I'm not talking PC here. > > Gloria Frym > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 14:57:21 -0700 > Stephen Vincent wrote: > >How does one comment? Or? > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:10:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Slam a poem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I should have read Hassen's post first because now I am fairly certain that Victorio was ejected in Chicago. I can imagine that his work would be considerably offensive to an audience that was politically moderate, but I, and most of the poetry communities I have experienced, have become accustomed to politically challenging work. What I begun to find fustrating with slams is that poets who compete often fail to challenge themselves by using new forms, or by experimenting with form. I believe that this stems from the desire to communicate to as many people as possible and by not attempting to offend or make the audience uncomfortable. I am also fustrated with the emphasis on style which has become the driving force for slam. All this being said, slam has and will continue to introduce young poets into a community of artists where these discussions are relevent and important. One of the major contributions of slam is that it has created an artistic community that is not dependant on the established networks of universities and other state funded institutions. For the most part, Slams and open mics have begun to create a network beyond official censorship. What I found upsetting about the incident with Victorio was that without the presence of state officials and police, that an audience decided to censor a poet on their own. I am still waiting for someone to perform a sound poem in a slam. ________________________________________________ NO TRESPASSING 4/17 of a haiku -Richard Brautigan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 00:41:23 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: FW: Today's Tech-Dependent Activists MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This in from another list. Thought it would be of interest to some on = this list as well... Wired News Today's Tech-Dependent Activists By Amit Asaravala 02:00 AM Aug. 28, 2003 PT In addition to picket signs and megaphones, activists protesting globalization policies at next month's meeting of the World Trade Organization in Canc=FAn will be armed with a number of new, high-tech weapons for getting their message across. These include using peer-to-peer networks to distribute video to television stations and setting up wireless access points so that activists can post updates to their weblogs. The aim is to help demonstrators make a bigger impact, even with fewer people, say protest organizers. "Technology gives us the ability to shift the power in the protest to the dissidents," said Rabble, an activist with the Independent Media Center who requested that his real name not be used. "It's an incredible tactical advance from the days when the police were the only ones with a reliable communications network during protests." During the WTO meeting, which will take place from Sept. 10 to 14, Rabble and others plan to use a peer-to-peer video-sharing service called v2v to transmit broadcast-quality video of the protests to television stations and other activists. They also will set up wireless networks at the protest welcome center in the nearby town of Ciudad Canc=FAn, and will stream audio recordings of interviews and speeches over the Internet for rebroadcast on participating radio stations. The technologies are part of a growing collection of modern protest tactics, many of which originated during the highly publicized anti-WTO demonstrations that took place in Seattle in November 1999. "There are always technological developments in activist practices," said activist Mike Bonanno. "Since 1999, the importance of e-mail lists and Web publishing to help organize people on the ground and disseminate information has not diminished." Bonanno is a member of the Yes Men, a group that builds parody websites as a way to protest the policies of various organizations. During the Seattle protests in 1999, the Yes Men launched GATT.org to protest the WTO. He says the group will continue updating the site during the Canc=FAn meeting as a way to point out what they believe are flaws in the WTO's policies. "We plan to use the GATT.org website to continue representing the positions of the WTO more honestly than they care to represent themselves," said Bonanno. "This has always been a goal of ours: to explain how WTO policies hurt the poor and the environment, but doing it with a healthy dose of satire." Representatives of the WTO did not respond to requests for comment. Surprisingly, one high-tech protest tactic that is likely to be absent from this year's demonstration is the use of distributed denial-of-service attacks to shut down the WTO website. The electrohippies, a British group that called for such attacks during the 1999 meeting, have since disbanded. And many protest organizers today say they would not support such an attack if another group made a similar call. "Taking down the website might be fun and headline-grabbing, but I personally don't think it's a good tactic," said Rabble. "The WTO does not function because its website stays up; it functions because corporations and governments give it tremendous power." Another tactic that is not likely to make an appearance is the use of mailing lists to create "flash mobs," a way of mobilizing large groups of people by sending out a single message to awaiting recipients. "The 'flash mob' concept generally works best when enough people are around to receive e-mail and react quickly," said Bonanno. "It gets more difficult if such communications technologies are not available to people." Just 10 percent of Mexico's population regularly goes online, according to the country's Internet association, AMIPCI. The percentage is expected to be lower on the Yucat=E1n = peninsula, where Canc=FAn is located, because of poverty in the jungle-covered region. Despite this, organizers say they are confident that the available technologies will allow them to mobilize participants more effectively than ever before. "Even with the distance and expense associated with getting to and protesting in Canc=FAn, we're expecting between 10,000 and 20,000 people to participate," said Starhawk, an organizer with the RANT Collective. "The Internet has allowed us to have a different kind of global conversation," she said. "Organizing for Canc=FAn wouldn't be as effective without it." -- Dan Clore Now available: _The Unspeakable and Others_ http://www.wildsidepress.com/index2.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1587154838/thedanclorenecro Lord We=FFrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9879/ News for Anarchists & Activists: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo "It's a political statement -- or, rather, an *anti*-political statement. The symbol for *anarchy*!" -- Batman, explaining the circle-A graffiti, in _Detective Comics_ #608 ************************************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:20:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: USA has a new poet laureate > How does one comment? Or? > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A59001-2003Aug28.html I panned her last book. Guess that's why she got this. Joel W. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:49:00 -0600 Reply-To: Laura.Wright@colorado.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Wright Organization: University of Colorado Subject: Re: USA has a new poet laureate, random musings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Post includes Louise Gluck ("rhymes with pick") 's "favorite dead poets." My favorite dead poets include the following: Ted Berrigan Joe Ceravolo Henri Michaux Richard Brautigan all of whom, I believe, died in the early 1980s. My favorite live poets include the following: Anselm Hollo Alice Notley Linh Dinh Eleni Sikelianos My new favorite prose writer is Laird Hunt, whose Indiana, Indiana has just been published by Coffee House. A Google search for "famous dead poets" brings up way too many references to Dead Poets' Society. Randomly, Laura ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Laura E. Wright Serials Cataloging Dept., Norlin Library (303) 492-3923 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:18:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Ian- sounds like the Green Mill alright. if so, i highly doubt it was solely because of his political content (what i remember of it, i wouldn't, by any means, describe the usual audience to be 'politically moderate.' if your friend's poetry & presentation were conservative i would better understand such a response). depending on the crowd, some nights were like the Apollo. . . h while i agree with much of what's been said re this topic, here's my devil's advocate bit without too much delving (little time at the moment): i've found slam/spoken word to be more 'cross-over.'it would be somewhat absurd to hear an experimental composer spend much time critiquing mary j or to not acknowledge the benefits of hip hop/popular r&b music. while it's great to have preferences & engage in critical conversation, it's counter-productive for other poetry communities to reject the significance (or validity) of slam/spoken word based on a certain common or conventional aesthetic** - especially if it reflects a group or poet's struggle for voice. as we all know, poetry, thankfully, doesn't belong to an elite. many advantages of having this stuff out there. sometimes it's informative or maybe necessary for an element of solidarity, i don't know. but sometimes (on the rare occasion for me anyway) it's just *fun.* **use of the term 'conventional,' of course, is relative. i certainly can say the same about most poetry i read/hear, in any genre. in most anything at all i read/hear from humans, so where does that leave us... so far as this incident at the Green Mill (or wherever), the theater is not, i think, always an improper place to encourage or discourage performance. On 8/29/03 10:39 AM, "Ian VanHeusen" wrote: > I should ask him... but I believe it was a major city and the particular > venue is known as the birthplace of slam. He told me that at this venue the > crowd can reject a poet first by snaping and then they continue by stomping > their feet. I will be sure to ask. > > > > > ________________________________________________ > NO TRESPASSING > 4/17 of a haiku > -Richard Brautigan > > > > > >> From: Maria Damon >> Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:45:56 -0500 >> >> i'd love to know where ;; was it minnesota? how can i find out? >> >> At 1:54 PM -0400 8/28/03, Ian VanHeusen wrote: >>> An interesting slam story.... Poet Victorio Reyes was kicked out of a slam >>> in the Midwest (cannot remember where) for being to political. He was very >>> disheartened by the experience because he had been competing down at the >>> Nuyorican, and had always thought of Poetry Slams and Open mics as venues >>> to >>> open dialogue on Revolutionary ideology. >>> >>> I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has become mainstream and >>> has >>> shifted to a good evening of entertainment as opposed to a space for >>> challenging discussions. >>> >>> Ian VanHeusen >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________________ >>> NO TRESPASSING >>> 4/17 of a haiku >>> -Richard Brautigan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: flora fair >>>> Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >>>> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 >>>> >>>> Kari, >>>> >>>> That would be great. Any input toward my general >>>> questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view >>>> the slam community there? Is it more prominent than >>>> other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East >>>> Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you >>>> would like to e-mail me contact info for people I >>>> could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please >>>> feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please >>>> forward my e-mail address to your contacts. >>>> >>>> Thanks again, >>>> Flora >>>> >>>> --- kari edwards wrote: >>>>> Flora... >>>>> I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here >>>>> and though spoken >>>>> word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here >>>>> participate in the big >>>>> slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to >>>>> off some insight and >>>>> give you some names here if that would be helpful >>>>> >>>>> kari edwards >>>>> 3435 Cesar Chavez >>>>> #327 >>>>> San Francisco, CA, 94110 >>>>> 415-647-6981 >>>>> terra1@sonic.net >>>>> _________________ >>>>> -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- >>>>> _________________ >>>>> >>>>> NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life >>>>> of p. >>>>> From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 >>>>> @ Small Press Distribution >>>>> http://www.spdbooks.org/ >>>>> @ amazon.com >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Announcing from O Books: iduna, >>>>> by kari edwards, >>>>> 2003 (fall) >>>>> _________________________________ >>>>> a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* >>>>> Books, 2002 >>>>> http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Also check out: >>>>> live recording: >>>>> >>>> http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html >>>>> >>>>> interview: >>>>> http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ >>>>> edwards.shtml >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml >>>>> >>>>> on narrative: >>>>> >>>> http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm >>>>> >>>>> prose / fiction >>>>> >>>> http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm >>>>> >>>> http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ >>>>> literary_magazine.html >>>>> >>>> http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm >>>>> >>>> http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html >>>>> http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm >>>>> http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html >>>>> http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm >>>>> >>>>> poetry: >>>>> http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm >>>>> http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm >>>>> >>>> http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm >>>>> http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm >>>>> >>>> http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html >>>>> http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm >>>>> http://www.xpressed.org/ >>>>> http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora >>>>> fair wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative >>>>>> weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam >>>>> poetry >>>>>> and its relationship (positive and negative) to >>>>> other >>>>>> poetry communities. I would love any comments on >>>>> the >>>>>> subject, including experiences anyone has had at >>>>>> slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state >>>>> of >>>>>> modern poetry in the context of television and >>>>> other >>>>>> media, and slams as they apply to the human >>>>> tradition >>>>>> of storytelling. All feedback will help to >>>>> reinforce >>>>>> my points and maintain balance. I assume that any >>>>>> responses may be published by the magazine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Flora >>>>>> >>>>>> __________________________________ >>>>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>>>> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>>> design software >>>>>> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Do you Yahoo!? >>>> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >> >> >> -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:19:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Poetry Slams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Grant, I'll second that. Have never respected "slams," found their atmosphere particularly attractive, or wanted to buy a book by a slammer (how could it be read twice?). If this is an "elitist opinion," so be it. Anyway, add a coupla pennies to the pot, and I'm pissin in it, too. OT: Alastair Campbell quit (resigned) today http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=438313. Al Franken's doin some great work on the War against the sociopaths front http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=438014. And may try to catch Barrett Watten in Buffalo tonight. Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 12:46:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Carol Mirakove's TEMPORARY TATTOOS, Bukowski, dream of rollerskating with poets like you, and more MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit all this and more on THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry, click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:16:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ah, that sounds like chicago. i'm surprised. At 10:39 AM -0400 8/29/03, Ian VanHeusen wrote: >I should ask him... but I believe it was a major city and the particular >venue is known as the birthplace of slam. He told me that at this venue the >crowd can reject a poet first by snaping and then they continue by stomping >their feet. I will be sure to ask. > > > > >________________________________________________ > NO TRESPASSING > 4/17 of a haiku > -Richard Brautigan > > > > >>From: Maria Damon >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:45:56 -0500 >> >>i'd love to know where ;; was it minnesota? how can i find out? >> >>At 1:54 PM -0400 8/28/03, Ian VanHeusen wrote: >>>An interesting slam story.... Poet Victorio Reyes was kicked out of a slam >>>in the Midwest (cannot remember where) for being to political. He was very >>>disheartened by the experience because he had been competing down at the >>>Nuyorican, and had always thought of Poetry Slams and Open mics as venues >>>to >>>open dialogue on Revolutionary ideology. >>> >>>I think it stems from the fact the Slam Poetry has become mainstream and >>>has >>>shifted to a good evening of entertainment as opposed to a space for >>>challenging discussions. >>> >>>Ian VanHeusen >>> >>> >>> >>>________________________________________________ >>> NO TRESPASSING >>> 4/17 of a haiku >>> -Richard Brautigan >>> >>> >>> >>>>From: flora fair >>>>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>>>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>>Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >>>>Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:27:02 -0700 >>>> >>>>Kari, >>>> >>>>That would be great. Any input toward my general >>>>questions is much appreciated. Also, how do you view >>>>the slam community there? Is it more prominent than >>>>other poetry communities? Does it differ from the East >>>>Coast version? Have you ever participated? If you >>>>would like to e-mail me contact info for people I >>>>could speak with about this (pro and/or con), please >>>>feel free to e-mail me directly. Otherwise, please >>>>forward my e-mail address to your contacts. >>>> >>>>Thanks again, >>>>Flora >>>> >>>>--- kari edwards wrote: >>>>> Flora... >>>>> I love in SF.. and slam and spoken word is big here >>>>> and though spoken >>>>> word is a connection.. a lot of the "names" here >>>>> participate in the big >>>>> slams or spoken word events.. I would be happy to >>>>> off some insight and >>>>> give you some names here if that would be helpful >>>>> >>>>> kari edwards >>>>> 3435 Cesar Chavez >>>>> #327 >>>>> San Francisco, CA, 94110 >>>>> 415-647-6981 >>>>> terra1@sonic.net >>>>> _________________ >>>>> -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- >>>>> _________________ >>>>> >>>>> NEW: A NEW NOVEL BY kari edwards / a day in the life >>>>> of p. >>>>> From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 >>>>> @ Small Press Distribution >>>>> http://www.spdbooks.org/ >>>>> @ amazon.com >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> Announcing from O Books: iduna, >>>>> by kari edwards, >>>>> 2003 (fall) >>>>> _________________________________ >>>>> a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* >>>> > Books, 2002 >>>> > http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm >>>> > ________________________________ >>>> > Also check out: >>>> > live recording: >>>> > >>>>http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html >>>>> >>>>> interview: >>>>> http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ >>>>> edwards.shtml >>>>> >>>>> http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml >>>>> >>>>> on narrative: >>>>> >>>>http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issuethree_toc.htm >>>>> >>>>> prose / fiction >>>>> >>>>http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm >>>>> >>>>http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ >>>>> literary_magazine.html >>>>> >>>>http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm >>>>> >>>>http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html >>>>> http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm >>>>> http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html >>>>> http://poetz.com/fir/may02.htm >>>>> >>>>> poetry: >>>>> http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm >>>>> http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm >>>>> >>>>http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm >>>>> http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm >>>>> >>>>http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html >>>>> http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm >>>>> http://www.xpressed.org/ >>>>> http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:34 PM, flora >>>>> fair wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Hello all, >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm writing a cover piece for my local alternative >>>>> > weekly, Folio Magazine, about the state of slam >>>>> poetry >>>>> > and its relationship (positive and negative) to >>>>> other >>>>> > poetry communities. I would love any comments on >>>>> the >>>>> > subject, including experiences anyone has had at >>>> > > slams, feelings on the Def Poetry Jam, the state >>>>> of >>>>> > modern poetry in the context of television and >>>>> other >>>>> > media, and slams as they apply to the human >>>>> tradition >>>>> > of storytelling. All feedback will help to >>>>> reinforce >>>>> > my points and maintain balance. I assume that any >>>>> > responses may be published by the magazine. >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks, >>>>> > Flora >>>>> > >>>>> > __________________________________ >>>>> > Do you Yahoo!? >>>>> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >>>>> design software >>>>> > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>__________________________________ >>>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>>Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >>>>http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup >> >> >>-- > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get MSN 8 and enjoy automatic e-mail virus protection. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:00:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been following this discussion -- as I did the one I only dimly remember a while ago -- with renewed interest, as each American metro area has a different slam / performance poetry. Here in Los Angeles, of course, the racial division is obvious, and as the person who started this thread backchanneled to me, African American performance poetry, post-punk / diy performance poetry / art / music, and plain ol' performance poetry, while they overlap, and probably most in slams, are divisions everywhere, and she is locating some of this in the griot tradition, which attribution and distinction, I might add, has been a VERY DIVISIVE AND POLITICAL ISSUE here in LA. I'm testing out what I know are prejudices of mine about LA local poetry / performance poetry because 1) this is hotly under debate now on our own lists, 2) it really is, in my opinion, save for the Watts Writers Workshop students of students, one of the worst places to hear a poetry reading of any stripe. White performance poetry in LA is not the vibrant multicultural slam and performance scenes which are not white, or those which are really visual art or music. The community is knee-jerk anti-intellectual, more than a little bubba political, and insular. Local performance poets without college degrees rarely or belatedly pursue them, and performance poets without graduate degrees rarely pursue them. Constant performance is avocation or hobby, and it is common to participate in four to as many as sixteen open mike nights (at 3 hours per) a month. Most performance poets take private classes (generally actors here take loads of private classes, so, etc.) from other local performance poets in which exercises are assigned, and these produce the work memorized and performed (you can trace the exercises through the open mike nights). A large quantity of money is spent on self publication and on private workshops (for example, about the same amount of money as tuition at the local public colleges), and those who are not self-publishing or taking workshops from certain local performance poets are not particularly welcome. Almost all of the venues are alcohol free (most participants are twelve stepping. Many poems are related to "drunkalogs"), but these venues include 1) almost every Barnes & Noble, Borders, Bookstar, etc. in the major metro area, 2) almost every cute coffee shop, 3) many museums / cultural institutes, 4) the branch libraries. Most venues which do not have an open mike featuring this group of white poets do not allow poetry readings of any kind because they do not want an open mike featuring this group of poets. These poets do not attend readings of poets outside the circle. So, perhaps I'm wrong, this is a vibrant community doing vital work and I'm a space alien? Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:58:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: SF Poet Lawrence Fixel dies In-Reply-To: <1062165298.3f4f5b3292957@cc.utulsa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Hanging out in SF with the poet Kent Taylor, and he passed this information on to me about the death of Lawrence Fixel. Here's the obit that ran in yesterday's SF Chronicle. as ever, David ---------------------- Lawrence Fixel -- poet for more than 70 years San Francisco poet Lawrence Fixel, whose quizzical and contemplative works often explored the paradoxes of life, has died. Mr. Fixel, whose writing career spanned more than 70 years, died of natural causes early Sunday morning at his home. He was 86. Although not so widely known as the Beat generation writers synonymous with San Francisco's literary history, Mr. Fixel was nevertheless an influential poet whose manuscripts, journals and letters appear alongside those of Lawrence Ferlinghetti and others at UC Berkeley's Bancroft Library. "It reflects his status as a prose poet," said Bill Brown, a researcher at the library. Mr. Fixel was perhaps best known for his prose poems, long-form works more akin to short stories, and for parables likened to those of Franz Kafka and Jorges Luis Borges. "In quizzical, contemplative prose poems and parables, he presents characters in transit, and deftly illuminates the complex of enigmas and paradoxes inherent in their often simple journeys," Publishers Weekly said of Mr. Fixel's last book, "Truth, War and Dream-Game." He drew inspiration from his experiences during some of the most formative events of the 20th century, from the Great Depression to World War II to the tumult of the 1960s. "He did see a lot of the world, and he absorbed it all and distilled it all, " said Jack Marshall, a poet who had known Mr. Fixel since 1968. "If a person were to read his work for the first time and not know his life, they'd think he had very little experience with the outside world. But he did, and he distilled it all." Mr. Fixel was born in Brooklyn and raised in White Plains, N.Y., where his father owned a sporting goods store. He began writing in high school after being encouraged by an English teacher who saw promise in his work. Mr. Fixel was just 19 when he returned to New York during the Depression and found work with the Federal Writers Project, a part of the Works Progress Administration. Working alongside the likes of Richard White and Ralph Ellison, Mr. Fixel earned $18.75 a week writing about the architecture of New York's churches for a guidebook of the city. After three years with the FWP, Mr. Fixel moved to Los Angeles, where he lived briefly and married his first wife before serving three years in the merchant marine during World War II. He sailed throughout the South Pacific before being sent to New York City to work aboard a ship carrying troops to Europe. He later served one year in the Army. Mr. Fixel was divorced shortly after the war. He remarried in 1954. He moved to San Francisco in 1950. He soon fell in with the writers of the day, including Langston Hughes, Dylan Thomas and, later, George Hitchcock, who published the literary magazine "Kayak." Always a prolific writer, Mr. Fixel's first collection of poems, "The Scale of Silence," was published in 1970 when he was 53 years old. Four more books followed during the next 10 years. His most recent book, "Truth, War and the Dream-Game," was published in 1992. Although best known for his prose poems, Mr. Fixel wrote beautiful verse poems, which friends and scholars called noteworthy for their lyrical writing and vivid imagery. They cited "Song for the Ending of the Year" as an example: One by one the subjects disappear: The gift of speech is going with the year, In company with silence and with fear. The package on the table waits to be untied. The Child, the Tree are left inside the House -- No message from the crucified. We ride the painted hobby-horse of day, Or stand aside, or join the latest craze -- Next year's another box, another maze. "It's so disillusioned, yet the language is calm and clear and lyrical," Mr. Marshall said. "It's disillusioning, but it's beautifully said. I find a dark joy in it." The poem also highlights the economy of words for which Mr. Fixel was known. "He had a propensity to condense his ideas and thoughts into the smallest possible space," Mr. Marshall said. Mr. Fixel continued writing, giving readings and teaching at poetry workshops until just a couple of years ago. He is survived by his wife of 49 years, Justine Fixel of San Francisco; his daughter, Kate Frankel of Irvine; his sister, Pearl Berkelman of San Francisco; and two grandchildren. Plans for a memorial service are pending. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 15:18:56 -0400 Reply-To: kevinkillian@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "kevinkillian@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: SF Poet Lawrence Fixel dies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, David Kirschenbaum, for posting this=2E I always thought Lawrence Fixel would be around forever=2E He will be missed by many=2E He was there when Spicer had his confrontation with Langston Hughes on a Marin houseboat =2E =2E =2E (Due to Hughes' troubles with HUAC etc, he wa= s not allowed to speak on the campus at SF State after he had been invited there= & so the organizers had to scramble for another venue for his reading)=2E=20= Fixel looked the same for 20 years, a kind of male Diana Vreeland (in looks) (very different writing style)=2E Farewell to a great heart! -- Kevin K=2E Original Message: ----------------- From: David A=2E Kirschenbaum editor@BOOGCITY=2ECOM Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 14:58:34 -0400 To: POETICS@LISTSERV=2EBUFFALO=2EEDU Subject: SF Poet Lawrence Fixel dies Hi all, Hanging out in SF with the poet Kent Taylor, and he passed this informatio= n on to me about the death of Lawrence Fixel=2E Here's the obit that ran in yesterday's SF Chronicle=2E as ever, David ---------------------- Lawrence Fixel -- poet for more than 70 years San Francisco poet Lawrence Fixel, whose quizzical and contemplative works= often explored the paradoxes of life, has died=2E Mr=2E Fixel, whose writing career spanned more than 70 years, died of natu= ral causes early Sunday morning at his home=2E He was 86=2E Although not so widely known as the Beat generation writers synonymous wit= h San Francisco's literary history, Mr=2E Fixel was nevertheless an influent= ial poet whose manuscripts, journals and letters appear alongside those of Lawrence Ferlinghetti and others at UC Berkeley's Bancroft Library=2E "It reflects his status as a prose poet," said Bill Brown, a researcher at= the library=2E Mr=2E Fixel was perhaps best known for his prose poems, long-form works mo= re akin to short stories, and for parables likened to those of Franz Kafka an= d Jorges Luis Borges=2E "In quizzical, contemplative prose poems and parables, he presents characters in transit, and deftly illuminates the complex of enigmas and paradoxes inherent in their often simple journeys," Publishers Weekly said of Mr=2E Fixel's last book, "Truth, War and Dream-Game=2E" He drew inspiration from his experiences during some of the most formative= events of the 20th century, from the Great Depression to World War II to t= he tumult of the 1960s=2E "He did see a lot of the world, and he absorbed it all and distilled it all, " said Jack Marshall, a poet who had known Mr=2E Fixel since 1968=2E "If a p= erson were to read his work for the first time and not know his life, they'd thi= nk he had very little experience with the outside world=2E But he did, and he= distilled it all=2E" Mr=2E Fixel was born in Brooklyn and raised in White Plains, N=2EY=2E, whe= re his father owned a sporting goods store=2E He began writing in high school aft= er being encouraged by an English teacher who saw promise in his work=2E Mr=2E Fixel was just 19 when he returned to New York during the Depression= and found work with the Federal Writers Project, a part of the Works Progress Administration=2E Working alongside the likes of Richard White and Ralph Ellison, Mr=2E Fixel earned $18=2E75 a week writing about the architecture of New Y= ork's churches for a guidebook of the city=2E After three years with the FWP, Mr=2E Fixel moved to Los Angeles, where he= lived briefly and married his first wife before serving three years in the merchant marine during World War II=2E He sailed throughout the South Pacific befor= e being sent to New York City to work aboard a ship carrying troops to Europ= e=2E He later served one year in the Army=2E Mr=2E Fixel was divorced shortly after the war=2E He remarried in 1954=2E He moved to San Francisco in 1950=2E He soon fell in with the writers of t= he day, including Langston Hughes, Dylan Thomas and, later, George Hitchcock,= who published the literary magazine "Kayak=2E" Always a prolific writer, Mr=2E Fixel's first collection of poems, "The Sc= ale of Silence," was published in 1970 when he was 53 years old=2E Four more book= s followed during the next 10 years=2E His most recent book, "Truth, War and= the Dream-Game," was published in 1992=2E Although best known for his prose poems, Mr=2E Fixel wrote beautiful verse= poems, which friends and scholars called noteworthy for their lyrical writing and vivid imagery=2E They cited "Song for the Ending of the Year" as an example: One by one the subjects disappear: The gift of speech is going with the year, In company with silence and with fear=2E The package on the table waits to be untied=2E The Child, the Tree are left inside the House -- No message from the crucified=2E We ride the painted hobby-horse of day, Or stand aside, or join the latest craze -- Next year's another box, another maze=2E "It's so disillusioned, yet the language is calm and clear and lyrical," M= r=2E Marshall said=2E "It's disillusioning, but it's beautifully said=2E I find= a dark joy in it=2E" The poem also highlights the economy of words for which Mr=2E Fixel was kn= own=2E "He had a propensity to condense his ideas and thoughts into the smallest possible space," Mr=2E Marshall said=2E Mr=2E Fixel continued writing, giving readings and teaching at poetry workshops until just a couple of years ago=2E He is survived by his wife of 49 years, Justine Fixel of San Francisco; hi= s daughter, Kate Frankel of Irvine; his sister, Pearl Berkelman of San Francisco; and two grandchildren=2E Plans for a memorial service are pending=2E -- David A=2E Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W=2E28th St=2E, Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www=2Eboogcity=2Ecom -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:22:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: SoMa Literary Review In-Reply-To: <20030828142702.61360.qmail@web10009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check out the new SoMa Literary Review http://www.somalit.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:10:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB 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Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:45:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism In-Reply-To: <893EF11A-DA5E-11D7-B39C-003065AC6058@sonic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed It strikes me that the best laureate would be someone about whom people could argue and disagree vigorously. If the laureate is considered blah, what point is there in having such a poet as laureate? To show another generation of kids that poetry is blah? The political modes inherent behind east-coasty Poetry Society of American, Academy of American Poets, etc, are about as follows, aren't they?: that poetry is nice, poets are nice, poetry audiences are nice. These societies give "awards," when in fact, considering the way many poets choose and have chosen over the centuries to write, poets should be given "medals," insofar as many choose to write in ways idiolectic, needling, hectoring, braying, cajoling, challenging, frustrating, polemical, jeremiacal, or just otherwise nonplussing -- *While Still* upholding their ancient duties of benediction and malediction, praise and blame, comfort and affliction. Too I wonder, in a political economy of consumption, can we really understand the value of spiritual challenge as a cultural force? We Americans understand only Niceness, something that'll go down the throat like yoghurt. The nearest a poet recently came to being a part of our national public discourse, it was Baraka, I'd guess, with the NJ Laureateship and "Somebody Blew Up America." It was a story of poetry in contest. The US laureateship doesn't seem to be about getting poetry to enter public discourse. If it did, would it not *not* shrink from controversy, but instead rise to make it? Or at least rise to join it? Isn't poetry at its best when it joins with the controversies of the polis to resolve, bless, twist, or sway our hearts and minds in those areas where we feel the most is at stake? These would be the areas with which poetry could best help us: where we grow confused or where we join contest in order to en-join further contest. Further, I wonder to what degree, and in what sense, a poetry which has so long carried the ideology of private emotionalism, private speech and private sentiment, as American (and much of current Western late-romantic) poetries have for so long -- how such a poetry, which is about the private [*vide infra], can truly be a part of the polis, of the discourse of the polis. Especially if we also consider the passivity that mainstream American pedagogy demands of its students as cultural consumers, the passive reception of poetry by a mostly boggled and bored audience. For if, as Aristotle said, that to be fully human means to engage in the life of the polis, then what does it mean to have a poet who embodies the ideologies of insular emotionalism and possessive individualism in a public position? The Greek root for "idiot" meant a private person. Can we truly have a public poet if that poet writes a poetry of the private? Gabe * Hughes Mearns ("poetry is when you talk to yourself") to Diane Wakoski in 1973 ("It is talking to yourself in the kitchen. But if it speaks to one person, then it is a poem") to Delmore Schwartz ("Like some tormented figure in a myth, Delmore Schwartz acted out in his life, as he wrote of it in poems and stories, the alienation of the poet from our society") to Dave Smith in 1975 ("We live in an isolation within ourselves and with ourselves, a total and terrible isolation, because we cannot and are not, parted from the womb, truly a part of any other") back to Mearns ("[W]e drive them back upon themselves, drive them to search within, a boundless field and rich beyond expectation") to Russell Edson in 1975 ("One comes to the writing table with one's own hidden life....") to Frank Bidart in 1983 ("I knew that Lowell's experience of the world he came from, and himself as an actor in it [sic], was very different from my experience"); and finally to Derek Walcott in an interview with David Montenegro in 1987 ( "I've always wondered about the sense of isolation of the American poets that is so acute in contemporary American poetry....How come there was such adulation and yet such isolation at the same time?)" -- from "Petit to Langp: a History of Solipsism and Experience in Mainstream American Poetry Since the Rise of Creative Writing" by gigi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:13:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: alright, using up post #2 for more on slams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, I just got back from giving Eileen Doman, an artist in my new book, DaDaDa (Salt Publishing, 2003), a copy. She's in town because a childhood friend of hers (who is apparently a very well known, renowned even, head of ESL at the infamous Belmont Learning Academy) is dying. She's in the book because she is a (self-taught) painter who wants to teach art. She does teach a bit, finds it difficult, but she values teaching, especially teaching painting and drawing, and would really love to do it more. She's a bit disappointed her daughter wants to go to medical school someday (she's only 18), instead of becoming an art teacher, for example. Now, Eileen Doman did not go to college; another person at lunch was encouraging her to set up a private workshop. I stayed quiet. Several poets here in LA who are not white local performance poets who either lack a college degree or graduate degree and want to teach or do teach. Several white local performance poets teaching in private workshops have MFAs and several have BAs. So am I just decrying a working, self-reinforcing economy which has crushed the other ones that are in competition elsewhere because I think its products are mediocre / it excludes me? I still think the local performance poets would be better off in school, though. It's embarrassing two ways -- they get kicked out of chain bookstores because they are behave like children and call it art & the English classes (hence all of the creative writing) in the colleges, including the one built in response to the Watts riots, are mostly taught by white nonwriting / nonperforming academics. Be well, Catherine Daly former dj, "Alien Rock" cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:06:06 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Anne E. Pluto" Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <000001c36e3e$8f69a900$a650a243@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Thank you both. I agree. Annie Pluto >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are a gimmick, if you compare true >spoken word events like David Antin's talk pieces for example to the normal >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of rhyming, chant like verse that is >pretty much all the same. Also many of the Slam "poets" move very close to >rap music. Now having said this there is a long tradition (back to Homer) of >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is not this. Also, and I think this >is important, much of slam poetry is stereotypical. I went to the Def >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the first 'poet' my wife and I were >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under our voices. > >the best commentary I can make is that the number one poetry book sold in >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today remembers that poetry book-- >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate > >RB > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Grant Matthew Jenkins >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Poetry Slams >> >> >> I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but I find most of >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to be boring and very >> conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic (rhyme, a rather >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, autobiographical >> content, boasting, etc) and does not really allow for much diversity. >> >> The other thing that bothers me is the competitive nature of the >> events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that says winning (or >> sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more important than >> poetry. This reinforces an individualist ideology that runs >> counter to the kind of collaborative, communal poetics most of us >> on this list, if I may presume, are interested in. >> >> My 2 cents, >> >> Grant >> >> G. Matthew Jenkins >> Director of the Writing Program >> Department of English >> University of Tulsa >> 600 S. College Ave >> Tulsa, OK 74104 >> 918.631.2573 >> -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:27:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City Reading in Oakland, Thurs. 9/4 In-Reply-To: <893EF11A-DA5E-11D7-B39C-003065AC6058@sonic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I'm back in the SF Bay Area for the second year running for a gathering of some of the Boog City family. Thursday, Sept. 4, 7:00 p.m. Mama Buzz Café 2318 Telegraph Ave @ 23rd St. in downtown Oakland (510) 465-4073 The readers are: Taylor Brady * Trane DeVore * Donna de la Perriere * Sean Finney * Joseph Lease * Jill Stengel * Chris Stroffolino * Delia Tramontina * me There will be free copies of the September/Bay Area issue of Boog City available, featuring work from the readers, as well as other Bay Area writers. We'll also have available a limited number of complete sets of all nine issues of Boog City, copies of the Portable Boog Reader, two new Euclid Avenue chapbooks by me, and the first new Boog Literature chapbook in almost two years, written by … well, that's a surprise, come by and find out, and you may even here the author read from it, too. If you want to reach ye old Boog editor while he's in Cali. to hang out, ask questions about this event, discuss how the death of Bobby Bonds might impact the Giants' post-season chances, call (212) 842-2664 (it's forwarded to my cell) or email editor@boogcity.com Hope all is well and you can make it down to Oakland this coming Thursday. as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:42:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Too I wonder, in a political economy of consumption, can we really understand the value of spiritual challenge as a cultural force? We Americans understand only Niceness, something that'll go down the throat like yoghurt." * * * * * * * * * * * * =20 = =20 And to your words quoted above, I add my point, "HUH?" What the hell = are you talking about here? =20 1.. I consume; it's my heritage; I'm American=20 2.. I hate yogurt=20 3.. I have not a clue what the hell "...understand the value of = spiritual challenge as a cultural force " means when translated into the = English language that I speak. Are you trying to say you have a better candidate to serve as America's = poet laureat? If so, say so. =20 Look, Gabriel, I share, I believe, your views about certain, "control = cultures" in the poetic community, both National and international, = but...our concerns stop there because your ranting here confuses me. = I'm a tad uncertain about what exactly you are upset or complaining = about. Alex =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gabriel Gudding=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism It strikes me that the best laureate would be someone about whom = people could argue and disagree vigorously. If the laureate is considered blah, what point is there in having such = a poet as laureate? To show another generation of kids that poetry is = blah? The political modes inherent behind east-coasty Poetry Society of = American, Academy of American Poets, etc, are about as follows, aren't they?: = that poetry is nice, poets are nice, poetry audiences are nice. These = societies give "awards," when in fact, considering the way many poets choose and = have chosen over the centuries to write, poets should be given "medals," = insofar as many choose to write in ways idiolectic, needling, hectoring, = braying, cajoling, challenging, frustrating, polemical, jeremiacal, or just otherwise nonplussing -- *While Still* upholding their ancient duties = of benediction and malediction, praise and blame, comfort and affliction. Too I wonder, in a political economy of consumption, can we really understand the value of spiritual challenge as a cultural force? We Americans understand only Niceness, something that'll go down the = throat like yoghurt. The nearest a poet recently came to being a part of our national = public discourse, it was Baraka, I'd guess, with the NJ Laureateship and = "Somebody Blew Up America." It was a story of poetry in contest. The US laureateship doesn't seem to be about getting poetry to enter = public discourse. If it did, would it not *not* shrink from controversy, but instead rise to make it? Or at least rise to join it? Isn't poetry at = its best when it joins with the controversies of the polis to resolve, = bless, twist, or sway our hearts and minds in those areas where we feel the = most is at stake? These would be the areas with which poetry could best = help us: where we grow confused or where we join contest in order to en-join = further contest. Further, I wonder to what degree, and in what sense, a poetry which = has so long carried the ideology of private emotionalism, private speech and private sentiment, as American (and much of current Western = late-romantic) poetries have for so long -- how such a poetry, which is about the = private [*vide infra], can truly be a part of the polis, of the discourse of = the polis. Especially if we also consider the passivity that mainstream American pedagogy demands of its students as cultural consumers, the passive reception of poetry by a mostly boggled and bored audience. = For if, as Aristotle said, that to be fully human means to engage in the life = of the polis, then what does it mean to have a poet who embodies the ideologies of insular emotionalism and possessive individualism in a = public position? The Greek root for "idiot" meant a private person. Can we truly have a public poet if that poet writes a poetry of the = private? Gabe * Hughes Mearns ("poetry is when you talk to yourself") to Diane = Wakoski in 1973 ("It is talking to yourself in the kitchen. But if it speaks = to one person, then it is a poem") to Delmore Schwartz ("Like some tormented figure in a myth, Delmore Schwartz acted out in his life, as he wrote = of it in poems and stories, the alienation of the poet from our society") to = Dave Smith in 1975 ("We live in an isolation within ourselves and with ourselves, a total and terrible isolation, because we cannot and are = not, parted from the womb, truly a part of any other") back to Mearns = ("[W]e drive them back upon themselves, drive them to search within, a = boundless field and rich beyond expectation") to Russell Edson in 1975 ("One = comes to the writing table with one's own hidden life....") to Frank Bidart in = 1983 ("I knew that Lowell's experience of the world he came from, and = himself as an actor in it [sic], was very different from my experience"); and = finally to Derek Walcott in an interview with David Montenegro in 1987 ( "I've always wondered about the sense of isolation of the American poets = that is so acute in contemporary American poetry....How come there was such adulation and yet such isolation at the same time?)" -- from "Petit to Langp: a History of Solipsism and Experience in Mainstream American = Poetry Since the Rise of Creative Writing" by gigi ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:10:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Although in my heart I agree with you, I know that I have to remain as objective as possible in my piece. I'm interested in why people find this the most accessible way to approach poetry. I think the MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than the slams themselves, and I sometimes have to remind myself of the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." Anyway, the situation here is that there is a paltry and underformed arts community, and I feel that the slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the only ways people here know poetry. I think that's akin to knowing a great book by the movie that was made from it.Additionally, since slams are competitive, the idea of a community almost seems contradictory -- how can competitors really begin to talk about poetry without involving their egos? Flora --- "Anne E. Pluto" wrote: > >Thank you both. I agree. > > Annie Pluto > > >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are a > gimmick, if you compare true > >spoken word events like David Antin's talk pieces > for example to the normal > >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of rhyming, > chant like verse that is > >pretty much all the same. Also many of the Slam > "poets" move very close to > >rap music. Now having said this there is a long > tradition (back to Homer) of > >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is not this. > Also, and I think this > >is important, much of slam poetry is stereotypical. > I went to the Def > >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the first > 'poet' my wife and I were > >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under our > voices. > > > >the best commentary I can make is that the number > one poetry book sold in > >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today > remembers that poetry book-- > >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate > > > >RB > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf > Of Grant Matthew Jenkins > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> Subject: Poetry Slams > >> > >> > >> I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, but > I find most of > >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to be > boring and very > >> conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic > (rhyme, a rather > >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, > autobiographical > >> content, boasting, etc) and does not really > allow for much diversity. > >> > >> The other thing that bothers me is the > competitive nature of the > >> events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that > says winning (or > >> sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more > important than > >> poetry. This reinforces an individualist > ideology that runs > >> counter to the kind of collaborative, communal > poetics most of us > >> on this list, if I may presume, are interested > in. > >> > >> My 2 cents, > >> > >> Grant > >> > >> G. Matthew Jenkins > >> Director of the Writing Program > >> Department of English > >> University of Tulsa > >> 600 S. College Ave > >> Tulsa, OK 74104 > >> 918.631.2573 > >> > > > -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:25:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030830031032.51188.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some qualifications: > I sometimes have to remind myself of > the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." Because I think the acto f seeing the words on the page, and facing the text without the benefit of cues from the reader or an entrtaining floor show, can make a piece more challenging, or determine whether or not the piece stands on its own. > Additionally, since slams are competitive, the > idea > of a community almost seems contradictory -- how can > competitors really begin to talk about poetry > without > involving their egos? Yes, all of these discussions obviously involve ego, but the situation is heightened by that feeling of acceptance and winning. The "pep rally" aspect brings the communication of a competitor's work into the utterly public realm -- there is almost no intimacy involved. It is a theatrical experience. So, how do these actors, competing at this never-ending audition, truly sit down to discuss their craft without constantly considering those auditions? Flora (again) -- flora fair wrote: > Although in my heart I agree with you, I know that I > have to remain as objective as possible in my piece. > I'm interested in why people find this the most > accessible way to approach poetry. I think the > MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than the > slams > themselves, and I sometimes have to remind myself of > the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." > Anyway, the situation here is that there is a paltry > and underformed arts community, and I feel that the > slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the only > ways > people here know poetry. I think that's akin to > knowing a great book by the movie that was made from > it.Additionally, since slams are competitive, the > idea > of a community almost seems contradictory -- how can > competitors really begin to talk about poetry > without > involving their egos? > > Flora > > --- "Anne E. Pluto" wrote: > > >Thank you both. I agree. > > > > Annie Pluto > > > > >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are a > > gimmick, if you compare true > > >spoken word events like David Antin's talk pieces > > for example to the normal > > >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of > rhyming, > > chant like verse that is > > >pretty much all the same. Also many of the Slam > > "poets" move very close to > > >rap music. Now having said this there is a long > > tradition (back to Homer) of > > >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is not > this. > > Also, and I think this > > >is important, much of slam poetry is > stereotypical. > > I went to the Def > > >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the first > > 'poet' my wife and I were > > >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under our > > voices. > > > > > >the best commentary I can make is that the number > > one poetry book sold in > > >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today > > remembers that poetry book-- > > >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate > > > > > >RB > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf > > Of Grant Matthew Jenkins > > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM > > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> Subject: Poetry Slams > > >> > > >> > > >> I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, > but > > I find most of > > >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to > be > > boring and very > > >> conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic > > (rhyme, a rather > > >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, > > autobiographical > > >> content, boasting, etc) and does not really > > allow for much diversity. > > >> > > >> The other thing that bothers me is the > > competitive nature of the > > >> events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that > > says winning (or > > >> sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more > > important than > > >> poetry. This reinforces an individualist > > ideology that runs > > >> counter to the kind of collaborative, communal > > poetics most of us > > >> on this list, if I may presume, are interested > > in. > > >> > > >> My 2 cents, > > >> > > >> Grant > > >> > > >> G. Matthew Jenkins > > >> Director of the Writing Program > > >> Department of English > > >> University of Tulsa > > >> 600 S. College Ave > > >> Tulsa, OK 74104 > > >> 918.631.2573 > > >> > > > > > > -- > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/2003 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 08:09:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030830032504.50214.qmail@web10005.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" dear po-friends: i'm puzzled by some of the conservatism i see in these anti-slam posts. while i agree that there has become a kind of cliched and/or commodified "slam" or "spoken word" style, who says the standard for the poetic experience has to be characterized by "intimacy" or "the act of seeing words on the page" with no cues from the performer? a lot of very interesting writers spent time in slam culture, including tracie morris, edwin torres, paul beatty, and others. sure there are mediocre slammers but aren't there mediocre artists in any genre? they play a part too --they contribute to the thickening of the discourse that creates a "scene." does anyone know an artist who does *not* have an ego, as if this were such a terrible thing (do you really think David Antin --whom i adore --has less of an "ego" than, say, Edwin Torres or Ishle Park? get real!)? the criticism about competition is a canard: what about the competitions to get into MFA programs, to win those book competitions, to get grants, etc. the slam is a *mock* competition, designed to get the audience invested in the whole picture and not just their one friend who is reading in the line-up. it may be that the slam's time has come and gone. i myself don't go to slams any more, dont' find them that interesting, for some of the reasons folks have cited (repetition, decibel level, ossification and commodification of a certain style of delivery, etc). but this stuff about poems "standing on their own," "intimacy," competition being a no-no, sitting down to "discuss [one's] craft" as if this were a requisite for being a "real poet" etc etc etc --this is, excuse me, a rehearsal of the cliches comprising the veriest lowest common denominator of privatistic bourgeois liberal humanism. i apologize for my crankiness --these first-posts-of-the-morning before my internal censor has woken up are often like this. but i see some of the old cliches about poetry creeping in to this slam discussion and they are, for me, red flags (yes i am a taurus, so there you have it). ok basta, over n out...md At 8:25 PM -0700 8/29/03, flora fair wrote: >Some qualifications: >> I sometimes have to remind myself of >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." >Because I think the acto f seeing the words on the >page, and facing the text without the benefit of cues >from the reader or an entrtaining floor show, can make >a piece more challenging, or determine whether or not >the piece stands on its own. > >> Additionally, since slams are competitive, the >> idea >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how can >> competitors really begin to talk about poetry >> without >> involving their egos? > >Yes, all of these discussions obviously involve ego, >but the situation is heightened by that feeling of >acceptance and winning. The "pep rally" aspect brings >the communication of a competitor's work into the >utterly public realm -- there is almost no intimacy >involved. It is a theatrical experience. So, how do >these actors, competing at this never-ending audition, >truly sit down to discuss their craft without >constantly considering those auditions? > >Flora (again) >-- flora fair wrote: >> Although in my heart I agree with you, I know that I >> have to remain as objective as possible in my piece. >> I'm interested in why people find this the most >> accessible way to approach poetry. I think the >> MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than the >> slams >> themselves, and I sometimes have to remind myself of >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." >> Anyway, the situation here is that there is a paltry >> and underformed arts community, and I feel that the >> slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the only >> ways >> people here know poetry. I think that's akin to >> knowing a great book by the movie that was made from >> it.Additionally, since slams are competitive, the >> idea >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how can > > competitors really begin to talk about poetry >> without >> involving their egos? >> >> Flora >> >> --- "Anne E. Pluto" wrote: >> > >Thank you both. I agree. >> > >> > Annie Pluto >> > >> > >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are a >> > gimmick, if you compare true >> > >spoken word events like David Antin's talk pieces >> > for example to the normal >> > >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of >> rhyming, >> > chant like verse that is >> > >pretty much all the same. Also many of the Slam >> > "poets" move very close to >> > >rap music. Now having said this there is a long > > > tradition (back to Homer) of > > > >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is not > > this. > > > Also, and I think this > > > >is important, much of slam poetry is >> stereotypical. >> > I went to the Def >> > >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the first >> > 'poet' my wife and I were >> > >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under our >> > voices. >> > > >> > >the best commentary I can make is that the number >> > one poetry book sold in >> > >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today >> > remembers that poetry book-- >> > >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate >> > > >> > >RB >> > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group >> > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf >> > Of Grant Matthew Jenkins >> > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM >> > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> > >> Subject: Poetry Slams >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> I don't know if anyone else has said it yet, >> but >> > I find most of >> > >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events to >> be >> > boring and very >> > >> conventional. It has such a strict aesthetic >> > (rhyme, a rather >> > >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, >> > autobiographical >> > >> content, boasting, etc) and does not really >> > allow for much diversity. >> > >> >> > >> The other thing that bothers me is the >> > competitive nature of the >> > >> events. It sometimes reeks of a machismo that >> > says winning (or >> > >> sticking one's chest out the farthest) is more >> > important than >> > >> poetry. This reinforces an individualist >> > ideology that runs >> > >> counter to the kind of collaborative, communal >> > poetics most of us >> > >> on this list, if I may presume, are interested >> > in. >> > >> >> > >> My 2 cents, >> > >> >> > >> Grant >> > >> >> > >> G. Matthew Jenkins >> > >> Director of the Writing Program >> > >> Department of English >> > >> University of Tulsa >> > >> 600 S. College Ave >> > >> Tulsa, OK 74104 >> > >> 918.631.2573 >> > >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site >> design software >> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:33:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria, You and I have had this discussion before. It seems my posts make you angrier than anyone elses. Maybe it's b/c we are both Tauruses. Of course, my experience of poetry is my own, but the "intimacy" and discussions you dismiss are the things that truly nourish me and inspire me to write in relation to other writers. What we're doing on this site is discussing craft, or politics, or whatever, but it does include poetry, and that's the whole reason I participate here. And your arguments and point of view are exactly the kinds of things I am interested in -- people are passionate about this subject. My article has to be fair, and if people think that it's somehow outdated or irrelevent for a poem to stand on it's own, then why? My point being, if slam poetry doesn't need discussion, or initimacy or to stand on its own, then isn't it something different, something else? And Do you think it's better b/c of it? I get the feeling you think my opinion is an elitist thing, and maybe it is. I also qualified my ego comment to avoid anyone saying that all artists have ego, of course they do, I don't know if you could create without one. But I'm not sure, was what you said an argument against poetry as I traditionally spoke about it, or for slam poetry? Or both? Also, why does it take competition to get the audience passionate and involved? I think this is a fundamental question that ties into the way we use media, and I want to explore this. And yes, there is mediocrity everywhere, but that was never my contention. I am trying to understand how the writing process differs, how the audience's relationship differs, and why so many people find it more compelling than other more traditional forms. Is the experience of reading aslam poet for a slam audience member the same, or does it require the performance? Some people have told me slam is a class issue, others say it's a generational thing. My point is, I don't want to argue, I just want to know. Flora --- Maria Damon wrote: > dear po-friends: i'm puzzled by some of the > conservatism i see in > these anti-slam posts. while i agree that there has > become a kind of > cliched and/or commodified "slam" or "spoken word" > style, who says > the standard for the poetic experience has to be > characterized by > "intimacy" or "the act of seeing words on the page" > with no cues from > the performer? a lot of very interesting writers > spent time in slam > culture, including tracie morris, edwin torres, paul > beatty, and > others. sure there are mediocre slammers but aren't > there mediocre > artists in any genre? they play a part too --they > contribute to the > thickening of the discourse that creates a "scene." > does anyone know > an artist who does *not* have an ego, as if this > were such a terrible > thing (do you really think David Antin --whom i > adore --has less of > an "ego" than, say, Edwin Torres or Ishle Park? get > real!)? the > criticism about competition is a canard: what about > the competitions > to get into MFA programs, to win those book > competitions, to get > grants, etc. the slam is a *mock* competition, > designed to get the > audience invested in the whole picture and not just > their one friend > who is reading in the line-up. it may be that the > slam's time has > come and gone. i myself don't go to slams any more, > dont' find them > that interesting, for some of the reasons folks have > cited > (repetition, decibel level, ossification and > commodification of a > certain style of delivery, etc). but this stuff > about poems > "standing on their own," "intimacy," competition > being a no-no, > sitting down to "discuss [one's] craft" as if this > were a requisite > for being a "real poet" etc etc etc --this is, > excuse me, a rehearsal > of the cliches comprising the veriest lowest common > denominator of > privatistic bourgeois liberal humanism. i apologize > for my > crankiness --these first-posts-of-the-morning before > my internal > censor has woken up are often like this. but i see > some of the old > cliches about poetry creeping in to this slam > discussion and they > are, for me, red flags (yes i am a taurus, so there > you have it). ok > basta, over n out...md > > At 8:25 PM -0700 8/29/03, flora fair wrote: > >Some qualifications: > >> I sometimes have to remind myself of > >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." > >Because I think the acto f seeing the words on the > >page, and facing the text without the benefit of > cues > >from the reader or an entrtaining floor show, can > make > >a piece more challenging, or determine whether or > not > >the piece stands on its own. > > > >> Additionally, since slams are competitive, the > >> idea > >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how > can > >> competitors really begin to talk about poetry > >> without > >> involving their egos? > > > >Yes, all of these discussions obviously involve > ego, > >but the situation is heightened by that feeling of > >acceptance and winning. The "pep rally" aspect > brings > >the communication of a competitor's work into the > >utterly public realm -- there is almost no intimacy > >involved. It is a theatrical experience. So, how do > >these actors, competing at this never-ending > audition, > >truly sit down to discuss their craft without > >constantly considering those auditions? > > > >Flora (again) > >-- flora fair wrote: > >> Although in my heart I agree with you, I know > that I > >> have to remain as objective as possible in my > piece. > >> I'm interested in why people find this the most > >> accessible way to approach poetry. I think the > >> MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than the > >> slams > >> themselves, and I sometimes have to remind > myself of > >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." > >> Anyway, the situation here is that there is a > paltry > >> and underformed arts community, and I feel that > the > >> slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the > only > >> ways > >> people here know poetry. I think that's akin to > >> knowing a great book by the movie that was made > from > >> it.Additionally, since slams are competitive, > the > >> idea > >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how > can > > > competitors really begin to talk about poetry > >> without > >> involving their egos? > >> > >> Flora > >> > >> --- "Anne E. Pluto" > wrote: > >> > >Thank you both. I agree. > >> > > >> > Annie Pluto > >> > > >> > >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are > a > >> > gimmick, if you compare true > >> > >spoken word events like David Antin's talk > pieces > >> > for example to the normal > >> > >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of > >> rhyming, > >> > chant like verse that is > >> > >pretty much all the same. Also many of the > Slam > >> > "poets" move very close to > >> > >rap music. Now having said this there is a > long > > > > tradition (back to Homer) of > > > > >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is > not > > > this. > > > > Also, and I think this > > > > >is important, much of slam poetry is > >> stereotypical. > >> > I went to the Def > >> > >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the > first > >> > 'poet' my wife and I were > >> > >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under > our > >> > voices. > >> > > > >> > >the best commentary I can make is that the > number > >> > one poetry book sold in > >> > >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today > >> > remembers that poetry book-- > >> > >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate > >> > > > >> > >RB > >> > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > >> > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On > Behalf > >> > Of Grant Matthew Jenkins > >> > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM > >> > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >> > >> Subject: Poetry Slams > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> I don't know if anyone else has said it > yet, > >> but > >> > I find most of > >> > >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events > to > >> be > >> > boring and very > >> > >> conventional. It has such a strict > aesthetic > >> > (rhyme, a rather > >> > >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, > >> > autobiographical > >> > >> content, boasting, etc) and does not > really > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:43:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030830143339.68829.qmail@web10003.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > What we're doing on this > site is discussing craft, or politics, or whatever, > but it does include poetry, and that's the whole > reason I participate here. oops! *listserv* just woke up ... Flora and there my go my posts for the day ... --- flora fair wrote: > Maria, > You and I have had this discussion before. It seems > my > posts make you angrier than anyone elses. Maybe it's > b/c we are both Tauruses. > Of course, my experience of poetry is my own, but > the > "intimacy" and discussions you dismiss are the > things > that truly nourish me and inspire me to write in > relation to other writers. What we're doing on this > site is discussing craft, or politics, or whatever, > but it does include poetry, and that's the whole > reason I participate here. And your arguments and > point of view are exactly the kinds of things I am > interested in -- people are passionate about this > subject. My article has to be fair, and if people > think that it's somehow outdated or irrelevent for a > poem to stand on it's own, then why? My point being, > if slam poetry doesn't need discussion, or initimacy > or to stand on its own, then isn't it something > different, something else? And Do you think it's > better b/c of it? I get the feeling you think my > opinion is an elitist thing, and maybe it is. I also > qualified my ego comment to avoid anyone saying that > all artists have ego, of course they do, I don't > know > if you could create without one. But I'm not sure, > was > what you said an argument against poetry as I > traditionally spoke about it, or for slam poetry? Or > both? > Also, why does it take competition to get the > audience > passionate and involved? I think this is a > fundamental > question that ties into the way we use media, and I > want to explore this. And yes, there is mediocrity > everywhere, but that was never my contention. I am > trying to understand how the writing process > differs, > how the audience's relationship differs, and why so > many people find it more compelling than other more > traditional forms. Is the experience of reading > aslam > poet for a slam audience member the same, or does it > require the performance? Some people have told me > slam > is a class issue, others say it's a generational > thing. My point is, I don't want to argue, I just > want > to know. > > Flora > > --- Maria Damon wrote: > > dear po-friends: i'm puzzled by some of the > > conservatism i see in > > these anti-slam posts. while i agree that there > has > > become a kind of > > cliched and/or commodified "slam" or "spoken word" > > style, who says > > the standard for the poetic experience has to be > > characterized by > > "intimacy" or "the act of seeing words on the > page" > > with no cues from > > the performer? a lot of very interesting writers > > spent time in slam > > culture, including tracie morris, edwin torres, > paul > > beatty, and > > others. sure there are mediocre slammers but > aren't > > there mediocre > > artists in any genre? they play a part too --they > > contribute to the > > thickening of the discourse that creates a > "scene." > > does anyone know > > an artist who does *not* have an ego, as if this > > were such a terrible > > thing (do you really think David Antin --whom i > > adore --has less of > > an "ego" than, say, Edwin Torres or Ishle Park? > get > > real!)? the > > criticism about competition is a canard: what > about > > the competitions > > to get into MFA programs, to win those book > > competitions, to get > > grants, etc. the slam is a *mock* competition, > > designed to get the > > audience invested in the whole picture and not > just > > their one friend > > who is reading in the line-up. it may be that the > > slam's time has > > come and gone. i myself don't go to slams any > more, > > dont' find them > > that interesting, for some of the reasons folks > have > > cited > > (repetition, decibel level, ossification and > > commodification of a > > certain style of delivery, etc). but this stuff > > about poems > > "standing on their own," "intimacy," competition > > being a no-no, > > sitting down to "discuss [one's] craft" as if this > > were a requisite > > for being a "real poet" etc etc etc --this is, > > excuse me, a rehearsal > > of the cliches comprising the veriest lowest > common > > denominator of > > privatistic bourgeois liberal humanism. i > apologize > > for my > > crankiness --these first-posts-of-the-morning > before > > my internal > > censor has woken up are often like this. but i > see > > some of the old > > cliches about poetry creeping in to this slam > > discussion and they > > are, for me, red flags (yes i am a taurus, so > there > > you have it). ok > > basta, over n out...md > > > > At 8:25 PM -0700 8/29/03, flora fair wrote: > > >Some qualifications: > > >> I sometimes have to remind myself of > > >> the difference between "spoken word" and > "slam." > > >Because I think the acto f seeing the words on > the > > >page, and facing the text without the benefit of > > cues > > >from the reader or an entrtaining floor show, can > > make > > >a piece more challenging, or determine whether or > > not > > >the piece stands on its own. > > > > > >> Additionally, since slams are competitive, the > > >> idea > > >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- > how > > can > > >> competitors really begin to talk about poetry > > >> without > > >> involving their egos? > > > > > >Yes, all of these discussions obviously involve > > ego, > > >but the situation is heightened by that feeling > of > > >acceptance and winning. The "pep rally" aspect > > brings > > >the communication of a competitor's work into the > > >utterly public realm -- there is almost no > intimacy > > >involved. It is a theatrical experience. So, how > do > > >these actors, competing at this never-ending > > audition, > > >truly sit down to discuss their craft without > > >constantly considering those auditions? > > > > > >Flora (again) > > >-- flora fair wrote: > > >> Although in my heart I agree with you, I know > > that I > > >> have to remain as objective as possible in my > > piece. > > >> I'm interested in why people find this the > most > > >> accessible way to approach poetry. I think the > > >> MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than > the > > >> slams > > >> themselves, and I sometimes have to remind > > myself of > > >> the difference between "spoken word" and > "slam." > > >> Anyway, the situation here is that there is a > > paltry > > >> and underformed arts community, and I feel > that > > the > > >> slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the > > only > > >> ways > > >> people here know poetry. I think that's akin > to > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:07:15 -0400 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: article on watten's bad history MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the subject of Watten, an article I wrote about Bad History, for your interest: http://www.iath.virginia.edu/pmc/current.issue/13.3metres.html Phil Metres ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:10:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my horoscope this a.m. said to make art happen one of my reading series is supposed to give writers who teach a place to read with their (adult, generally) students outside of a slam or open mike night, i.e., the much ballyhooed noncompetitive environment; this series replaces a poetry open mike which devolved into jumping around on study tables shouting when the mc went off his medication about the time the war in Afghanistan started Much white Southern California performance poetry is stand up comedy or sentimentalized domestic neosurrealism. (Kenneth Koch was last year's amusing fad.) This is working class poetry (white performance poetry), and poetry written by teenagers. Slam-poetry-in-decline derides poetry different from the mean as elitist. The few (McDaniel, Alexie, no one here has heard of Morris) became "superstars" who cannot be criticized a long time ago. Fewer and fewer "superstars" emerge -- emerging means leaving the circle (the best of our local white performance poets don't want to "emerge", they tell me) The page doesn't have to be addressed, obviously -- things like different dictions and tones, ways that spoken grammar differs from written -- I find it disturbing that sound effects are being blanched out of the poems. Like entertainment, there has been a continual ratcheting down of quality -- at an OC slam a few months ago, my disappointed white performance poet teammates said, after I read, "holy s___, why did you read your real work?" Part of the reason, aside from the fact that some of my poems are meant to be read aloud or heard, to be in the mouth or ear, is that Dana Gioia (considered locally to be a poetry "superstar" & referred to as "Chairman Gioia") reads (Weldon Kees') fiction at slams. Be well, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 11:38:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii also, both "spoken word" traditions and "slams" predate their American incarnations: the oral ecstatic tradition certainly didn't start with the Arab and Urdu poets, but that's the milieu I know best: my favorite is when two talented poets get into into a (mock) feud and start reciting couplets back and forth to each other--magical. i saw this one reading at the DIA center where Alice Notley was reading (I think from "Disobedience") and I was thinking of a poetry slam: the definitions became less useful I guess the more you think about them. well that's a quick thought or two, blessings to all the workers of the world! solidarity with all workers' and peoples' movements! let all the systems of alienation and exploitation be swept away in a field of flowers and friendship! celebrate labor day by closing your bank account and cashing in all your stocks! u.s. out of the phillipines! u.s. out of iraq! um um um um power to the people! "let the war be won let love be at the end" Kazim --- Maria Damon wrote: > dear po-friends: i'm puzzled by some of the > conservatism i see in > these anti-slam posts. while i agree that there has > become a kind of > cliched and/or commodified "slam" or "spoken word" > style, who says > the standard for the poetic experience has to be > characterized by > "intimacy" or "the act of seeing words on the page" > with no cues from ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:14:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030830183845.5170.qmail@web40810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { my favorite is when two talented poets get into into a { (mock) feud and start reciting couplets back and forth { to each other--magical. Maybe not couplets exactly, but something like this, Kazim? ==== Poets Hitchhiking on the Highway Of course I tried to tell him but he cranked his head without an excuse. I told him the sky chases the sun And he smiled and said: 'What's the use,' I was feeling like a demon again So I said: 'But the ocean chases the fish.' This time he laughed and said: 'Suppose the strawberry were pushed into a mountain.' After that I knew the war was on-- So we fought: He said: 'The apple-cart like a broomstick-angel snaps & splinters old dutch shoes.' I said: 'Lightning will strike the old oak and free the fumes!' He said: 'Mad street with no name.' I said: 'Bald killer! Bald killer! Bald killer!' He said, getting real mad, 'Firestoves! Gas! Couch!' I said, only smiling, 'I know God would turn back his head if I sat quietly and thought.' We ended by melting away, hating the air! --Gregory Corso fr. *The Happy Birthday of Death* [New York: New Directions, 1960] Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:19:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Poetry Slams Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Actually going to slams reminds me often that it is not a "new" form, but a very old one--back to poetry competitions with huge audiences in Ireland or say in ancient Rome. (And how would you like to compete with Caligula--!--) I am sure one could cite a great many examples going back a great deal of time from all over the world, in various modes. Part of why people like being in slams, from my experience, is that you get instant recognition--or rejection! But you are for sure "making the scene". You are being heard--and seen! The slam scenes I have known reminded me also of the music scene--cliques, stars, wannabes, hangers on. Going to a lot of poeryr scenes and shows is much the same, just keyed at a different volume. The roles of written words and spoken, or slammed, words--are different, hence the variations in the vocalisation, the crowd atmosphere. In a poetry reading, the winner, so to speak, is already determined--it is the poet who will read for the evening. In the other, part of the thrill is simply to see who will win, to be a part of the process that will lead to a person who will in turn become a person who may "read for an evening"-- Since the area of poetry that interests me are visual and sound poetries, "Poetry of the Intersign" in the words of Phildelpho Menezes--these of course alter the presentation in terms of visual notations, as well as written ones--it opens up the ways of hearing and seeing poeryr in all its forms and presentations-- One may dispense of words entirely--or mix them in--as visual signs, cues, notatations--or as emphatic insertions of meanings within a sonic range--or a visual array-- I find Maria Damon's comments a bit bizarre--after all, if people are interested in forming a group of fellow writers to disuss their craft-- this occurs in any area of writing I know of. Often the "Language Poets" referred to themselves as not a movement, but a community of writers. "Intimacy"--is being shared in the group responces, not just as something isolated on the page. As for a "poem standing on its own"--at some level that is what poems are in the process of trying to achieve. After all, the winner at a slam and her or his poem, stand alone--above the others-- The poet giving the reading stands alone-- I think that Stalin and Company, especially with the Third Party Writer's Congress, would have welcomed Maria Damon's lines: (re intimacy, discussion of craft, a poem standing on its own): "This is, excuse me, a rehearsal of cliches comprising the veriest lowest common denominator of privatistic liberal humanism." I wonder if Caligula would not also agree! The example of Mail Art offers a much different way of presenting and sharing art/poetic works, outside the capitalist exchange networks, choices of winners, privileging of one sort ot art/poetry over another, one community of writers being "more right/write" than others-- I was wondering--if a poem is not supposed to stand on its own--where then does it stand? And who decides for it where it will stand-- If there is no discussion among writers re their craft--where do the poems come from? An Act of God as the insurance people say--or an Edict from the State--or being voted into office? Or--found--found poetry-- It is the culminating weekend of the 100th Anjniversary of Harley Davidson here in Milwaukee. There have been biker poetry readings, biker movies, biker books, tens of thousands of Harleys riding about--Harley art shows, Harley souvenirs, the rich and varied sounds of Harleys and their riders-- One could say overall a perfomance scene mixing the public, the private and the corporate-- Labor Day! a happy and safe one to all-- david baptiste >From: flora fair >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 07:33:39 -0700 > >Maria, >You and I have had this discussion before. It seems my >posts make you angrier than anyone elses. Maybe it's >b/c we are both Tauruses. >Of course, my experience of poetry is my own, but the >"intimacy" and discussions you dismiss are the things >that truly nourish me and inspire me to write in >relation to other writers. What we're doing on this >site is discussing craft, or politics, or whatever, >but it does include poetry, and that's the whole >reason I participate here. And your arguments and >point of view are exactly the kinds of things I am >interested in -- people are passionate about this >subject. My article has to be fair, and if people >think that it's somehow outdated or irrelevent for a >poem to stand on it's own, then why? My point being, >if slam poetry doesn't need discussion, or initimacy >or to stand on its own, then isn't it something >different, something else? And Do you think it's >better b/c of it? I get the feeling you think my >opinion is an elitist thing, and maybe it is. I also >qualified my ego comment to avoid anyone saying that >all artists have ego, of course they do, I don't know >if you could create without one. But I'm not sure, was >what you said an argument against poetry as I >traditionally spoke about it, or for slam poetry? Or >both? >Also, why does it take competition to get the audience >passionate and involved? I think this is a fundamental >question that ties into the way we use media, and I >want to explore this. And yes, there is mediocrity >everywhere, but that was never my contention. I am >trying to understand how the writing process differs, >how the audience's relationship differs, and why so >many people find it more compelling than other more >traditional forms. Is the experience of reading aslam >poet for a slam audience member the same, or does it >require the performance? Some people have told me slam >is a class issue, others say it's a generational >thing. My point is, I don't want to argue, I just want >to know. > >Flora > >--- Maria Damon wrote: > > dear po-friends: i'm puzzled by some of the > > conservatism i see in > > these anti-slam posts. while i agree that there has > > become a kind of > > cliched and/or commodified "slam" or "spoken word" > > style, who says > > the standard for the poetic experience has to be > > characterized by > > "intimacy" or "the act of seeing words on the page" > > with no cues from > > the performer? a lot of very interesting writers > > spent time in slam > > culture, including tracie morris, edwin torres, paul > > beatty, and > > others. sure there are mediocre slammers but aren't > > there mediocre > > artists in any genre? they play a part too --they > > contribute to the > > thickening of the discourse that creates a "scene." > > does anyone know > > an artist who does *not* have an ego, as if this > > were such a terrible > > thing (do you really think David Antin --whom i > > adore --has less of > > an "ego" than, say, Edwin Torres or Ishle Park? get > > real!)? the > > criticism about competition is a canard: what about > > the competitions > > to get into MFA programs, to win those book > > competitions, to get > > grants, etc. the slam is a *mock* competition, > > designed to get the > > audience invested in the whole picture and not just > > their one friend > > who is reading in the line-up. it may be that the > > slam's time has > > come and gone. i myself don't go to slams any more, > > dont' find them > > that interesting, for some of the reasons folks have > > cited > > (repetition, decibel level, ossification and > > commodification of a > > certain style of delivery, etc). but this stuff > > about poems > > "standing on their own," "intimacy," competition > > being a no-no, > > sitting down to "discuss [one's] craft" as if this > > were a requisite > > for being a "real poet" etc etc etc --this is, > > excuse me, a rehearsal > > of the cliches comprising the veriest lowest common > > denominator of > > privatistic bourgeois liberal humanism. i apologize > > for my > > crankiness --these first-posts-of-the-morning before > > my internal > > censor has woken up are often like this. but i see > > some of the old > > cliches about poetry creeping in to this slam > > discussion and they > > are, for me, red flags (yes i am a taurus, so there > > you have it). ok > > basta, over n out...md > > > > At 8:25 PM -0700 8/29/03, flora fair wrote: > > >Some qualifications: > > >> I sometimes have to remind myself of > > >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." > > >Because I think the acto f seeing the words on the > > >page, and facing the text without the benefit of > > cues > > >from the reader or an entrtaining floor show, can > > make > > >a piece more challenging, or determine whether or > > not > > >the piece stands on its own. > > > > > >> Additionally, since slams are competitive, the > > >> idea > > >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how > > can > > >> competitors really begin to talk about poetry > > >> without > > >> involving their egos? > > > > > >Yes, all of these discussions obviously involve > > ego, > > >but the situation is heightened by that feeling of > > >acceptance and winning. The "pep rally" aspect > > brings > > >the communication of a competitor's work into the > > >utterly public realm -- there is almost no intimacy > > >involved. It is a theatrical experience. So, how do > > >these actors, competing at this never-ending > > audition, > > >truly sit down to discuss their craft without > > >constantly considering those auditions? > > > > > >Flora (again) > > >-- flora fair wrote: > > >> Although in my heart I agree with you, I know > > that I > > >> have to remain as objective as possible in my > > piece. > > >> I'm interested in why people find this the most > > >> accessible way to approach poetry. I think the > > >> MTV-ization of poetry is a bigger issue than the > > >> slams > > >> themselves, and I sometimes have to remind > > myself of > > >> the difference between "spoken word" and "slam." > > >> Anyway, the situation here is that there is a > > paltry > > >> and underformed arts community, and I feel that > > the > > >> slam and, by extension, spoken word, are the > > only > > >> ways > > >> people here know poetry. I think that's akin to > > >> knowing a great book by the movie that was made > > from > > >> it.Additionally, since slams are competitive, > > the > > >> idea > > >> of a community almost seems contradictory -- how > > can > > > > competitors really begin to talk about poetry > > >> without > > >> involving their egos? > > >> > > >> Flora > > >> > > >> --- "Anne E. Pluto" > > wrote: > > >> > >Thank you both. I agree. > > >> > > > >> > Annie Pluto > > >> > > > >> > >thank you for saying this-- Poetry Slams are > > a > > >> > gimmick, if you compare true > > >> > >spoken word events like David Antin's talk > > pieces > > >> > for example to the normal > > >> > >Poetry Slam what you find is a set kind of > > >> rhyming, > > >> > chant like verse that is > > >> > >pretty much all the same. Also many of the > > Slam > > >> > "poets" move very close to > > >> > >rap music. Now having said this there is a > > long > > > > > tradition (back to Homer) of > > > > > >sung bardic poetics, but Slam "poetry" is > > not > > > > this. > > > > > Also, and I think this > > > > > >is important, much of slam poetry is > > >> stereotypical. > > >> > I went to the Def > > >> > >Poetry Jam last year in NY and after the > > first > > >> > 'poet' my wife and I were > > >> > >reciting the rhyme scheme to each other under > > our > > >> > voices. > > >> > > > > >> > >the best commentary I can make is that the > > number > > >> > one poetry book sold in > > >> > >1856 was not Leaves of Grass and no one today > > >> > remembers that poetry book-- > > >> > >and Poetry Slam will suffer the same fate > > >> > > > > >> > >RB > > >> > > > > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> > >> From: UB Poetics discussion group > > >> > >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On > > Behalf > > >> > Of Grant Matthew Jenkins > > >> > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 8:55 AM > > >> > >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > >> > >> Subject: Poetry Slams > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> I don't know if anyone else has said it > > yet, > > >> but > > >> > I find most of > > >> > >> the poetry at Slams or Spoken Word events > > to > > >> be > > >> > boring and very > > >> > >> conventional. It has such a strict > > aesthetic > > >> > (rhyme, a rather > > >> > >> stereotypical version of a black dialect, > > >> > autobiographical > > >> > >> content, boasting, etc) and does not > > really > > >=== message truncated === > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:56:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Del Ray Cross Subject: SHAMPOO 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello Lovely Yous, It's time to hop in the shower with the ugliest, sherbetiest issue of SHAMPOO ever. 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Toole Ave. (NW corner of Toole 6th Ave, downtown) space provided by MOCA LIT Admission: $5; Students $3 * Charles Alexander Jefferson Carter Millie Chapin Melanie Cooley Jeremy Frey Maggie Golston Elizabeth Landry Mia McDonald Tenney Nathanson Wendy Roberts Matt Rotando Jason Zuzga POG events are sponsored in part by grants from the Tucson/Pima Arts Council, the Arizona Commission on the Arts, and the National Endowment for the Arts. POG also benefits from the continuing support of The University of Arizona Poetry Center, the Arizona Quarterly, Chax Press, and The University of Arizona Department of English. We also thank the following 2003-2004 POG donors: Sponsor Michael Gessner. Continuing thanks to 2002-2003 donors: Patrons Roberta Howard, Tenney Nathanson, Liisa Phillips, Austin Publicover, and Frances Sjoberg; Sponsors Barbara Allen, Chax Press, Alison Deming, The jim Click Automotive Team, Elizabeth Landry, Stefanie Marlis, Stuart and Nancy Mellan, Sheila Murphy Associates, and Tim Peterson. for further information contact POG: 615-7803; mailto:pog@gopog.org; www.gopog.org * Charles Alexander directs Chax Press. Current poems appear in Can We Have Our Ball Back?, Facture, and 6ix, and forthcoming in QSQ and Antennae. Books include Hopeful Buildings and Arc of Light / Dark Matter, with two books forthcoming: Certain Slants (Junction Press) and Near or Random Acts (Singing Horse Press). For online work by Charles and online material about him see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azindex.htm http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/300/alterran/2001/v1-4-Apr/alex.htm http://collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/201/300/alterran/2001/v1-4-Apr/alex2.htm http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/alexander/aviary.html http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lcaarc.htm http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/lca1.txt http://www.studiocleo.com/cauldron/volume3/contents/index.html http://www.jacketmagazine.com/04/chaxmurphy.html http://tech1.dccs.upenn.edu/xconnect/v5/i1/g/alexandermurphy.html http://www.scc.rutgers.edu/however/v1_6_2001/current/new-writing/murphy-alex ander.html Jefferson Carter is currently Writing Department Chair at Pima College, Downtown Campus, where he’s taught developmental writing and poetry since 1978. “Homemade Arrows,” his latest chapbook, is available from Red Felt Publishing. Two recent poems will appear in the fall and spring issues of Salt River Review. Millie Chapin is an exhibiting artist, having shown her work in galleries and museums in the US as well as abroad. She has published a book of her paintings, prints, and poetry, Reverberations: Mothers and Daughters. She has been a nationally known art therapist, practicing, teaching, writing & presenting for the past 3 decades. She is a new Tucsonian. For more on Millie’s work see www.lachmanchapin.com Melanie Cooley has taught writing for the University of Michigan, where she received her MFA, and for Smarthinking.com, where she wrote both the student and teacher editions of the poetry writer's guide. She has received the Arizona Commission on the Arts Creative Writing Fellowship and a Colby Fellowship; she has also been a finalist for both Poetry Magazine's Ruth Lily Award and the University of Michigan's Excellence in Teaching Award. Her poems have appeared in various journals, including Spinning Jenny and Persona. Jeremy Frey just began MFA Poetry studies on fellowship at the U of A where he also teaches composition. Two recent poems will be featured in the “new poets” section in an anthology of “Sacred Bearings: a Journal of Violence, Poetry & Survival” this fall. From Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley, and there a founding member of the Burnt Possum Poets, he looks forward to involvement in POG and the Sonoran Desert. For work online see www.pandorapressus.com/dsm/summer02/freyje.htm Maggie Golston owns and runs BIBLIO, an independent bookstore located at 222 E.Congress St. downtown in the Arts District. Her work has appeared in Spork and Ploughshares. Elizabeth Landry “is currently wasting her life at a crummy 9-5, while dreaming of being a housewife with a generous allowance.” Her work has been published in antennae, the POG 2 Anthology, and Can We Have Our Ball Back? For work online see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azlandry.htm Mia McDonald is finishing her undergraduate work in creative writing and linguistics at the University of Arizona. She is a long time employee of the Poetry Center, and a winner of the Frederica Hearst Poetry Contest three years in a row. She hopes to open a bookstore someday so that she can urge beautiful books into the hands of those who need them. Tenney Nathanson is the author of Whitman’s Presence (NYU Press), The Book of Death (Membrane Press), One Block Over (Chax Press), and the forthcoming Erased Art (Chax Press). Sections from his recently completed book-length poem Home on the Range have appeared in Antennae, Kenning, the POG TWO anthology, Jacket, can we have our ball back?, and the L.A. Review. For work online see http://jacketmagazine.com/22/nath-home.html http://canwehaveourballback.com/aznathanson.htm http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/rift/rift05/nath0501.html http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/rift/rift03/nath0301.html Wendy Miller Roberts attends the University of Arizona where she studies modern and contemporary writings in the Master's program in Literature. Her poems have appeared in Weber Studies. Matt Rotando received his MFA from Brooklyn College in 1999. He is currently in the PhD in English Literature program at the University of Arizona. For online work see http://canwehaveourballback.com/azrotando.htm Jason Zuzga is a second year M.F.A. poetry student at the U of A. His work has appeared in FENCE, jubilat, spork, and elsewhere. He was a 2001-2002 Fellow at the Fine Arts Work Center in Provincetown, MA. For work online see http://www.canwehaveourballback.com/azzuzga.htm mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 18:17:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: laureateship & the american poetry of privatism In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "laureates" though exist to support the state. a laureate could exist to promote free expression, the actualization of the self, etc etc but "laureates" have usually existed in order to promote Empire--best example Virgil. I personally find Louise Gluck dark, apocalyptic, gothic, and not a little bit scary: like the suburban housewife from hell. with anorexia. Not Helen but Oenone. So I'm down with that Gluck noise. hallenge as a > cultural force? We > Americans understand only Niceness, something > that'll go down the throat > like yoghurt. > > The nearest a poet recently came to being a part > of our national public > discourse, it was Baraka, I'd guess, with the NJ > Laureateship and "Somebody > Blew Up America." It was a story of poetry in > contest. > > The US laureateship doesn't seem to be about > getting poetry to enter public > discourse. If it did, would it not *not* shrink > from controversy, but > instead rise to make it? Or at least rise to join > it? Isn't poetry at its > best when it joins with the controversies of the > polis to resolve, bless, > twist, or sway our hearts and minds in those areas > where we feel the most > is at stake? ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 00:08:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: an antique mode MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII viruses infiltrate my brain the turmoil comes and goes the brain continues its withdrawal from the world its fear and broken circuits, these obdurate particles, these chemical grains come to infiltrate my existence, i will become thing, no longer speak, every night await death, every night another life is born to look around, brain and memory gone -:the great-wind cometh and i do not hear it, the great-sound cometh and i do not see it, i can touch you lord, i can touch you lord, everything is free in the world, in truth and not in false demand, they are speaking through me, inside my skull, the particles clear of phages, dna-rna on the move :i have two viruses and therefore one of them is eating my brain and i don't expect to have a go of it as a result, how could it, at night i can hear the gnawing, so far the hearing hasn't gone, what they call the aural canal, two out of three and already my chances of senility have increased, all the herpes a to z not to mention colds flus and other illness, none of the auto-immune but my brain is shrinking, latest and most up-to-date :percy bysshe percy bysshe:percy bysshe percy bysshe and mary mary mary mary, i have two viruses and therefore one of them is eating my brain and i don't expect to have a go of it as a result, how could it, at night i can hear the gnawing, so far the hearing hasn't gone, what they call the aural canal, two out of three and already my chances of senility have increased, all the herpes a to z not to mention colds flus and other things, none of the auto-immune but my brain is shrinking, the latest, the most up-to-date, the turmoil comes and goes the brain continues its withdrawal from the world its fear and broken circuits, these obdurate particles, these chemical grains come to infiltrate my existence, i will become the thing, no longer speak, every night awaiting death, every night another life is born to look around, brain and memory gone, this is god's truth and percy's troth queen's-writ contracts and consternations ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:15:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: dcmb Subject: Re: Poetry Slams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Catherine--my local bookstore jumped the gun on me znd already published its Fall program. The first sates they have for us are Jan 23 or Jan 30, I regret this slip up. Will either of those Friday eves workfor you? Best wishes, David B. -----Original Message----- From: Catherine Daly To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: Re: Poetry Slams >I've been following this discussion -- as I did the one I only dimly >remember a while ago -- with renewed interest, as each American metro >area has a different slam / performance poetry. Here in Los Angeles, of >course, the racial division is obvious, and as the person who started >this thread backchanneled to me, African American performance poetry, >post-punk / diy performance poetry / art / music, and plain ol' >performance poetry, while they overlap, and probably most in slams, are >divisions everywhere, and she is locating some of this in the griot >tradition, which attribution and distinction, I might add, has been a >VERY DIVISIVE AND POLITICAL ISSUE here in LA. > >I'm testing out what I know are prejudices of mine about LA local poetry >/ performance poetry because 1) this is hotly under debate now on our >own lists, 2) it really is, in my opinion, save for the Watts Writers >Workshop students of students, one of the worst places to hear a poetry >reading of any stripe. > >White performance poetry in LA is not the vibrant multicultural slam and >performance scenes which are not white, or those which are really visual >art or music. The community is knee-jerk anti-intellectual, more than a >little bubba political, and insular. > >Local performance poets without college degrees rarely or belatedly >pursue them, and performance poets without graduate degrees rarely >pursue them. Constant performance is avocation or hobby, and it is >common to participate in four to as many as sixteen open mike nights (at >3 hours per) a month. Most performance poets take private classes >(generally actors here take loads of private classes, so, etc.) from >other local performance poets in which exercises are assigned, and these >produce the work memorized and performed (you can trace the exercises >through the open mike nights). > >A large quantity of money is spent on self publication and on private >workshops (for example, about the same amount of money as tuition at the >local public colleges), and those who are not self-publishing or taking >workshops from certain local performance poets are not particularly >welcome. Almost all of the venues are alcohol free (most participants >are twelve stepping. Many poems are related to "drunkalogs"), but these >venues include > >1) almost every Barnes & Noble, Borders, Bookstar, etc. in the major >metro area, >2) almost every cute coffee shop, >3) many museums / cultural institutes, >4) the branch libraries. > >Most venues which do not have an open mike featuring this group of white >poets do not allow poetry readings of any kind because they do not want >an open mike featuring this group of poets. These poets do not attend >readings of poets outside the circle. > >So, perhaps I'm wrong, this is a vibrant community doing vital work and >I'm a space alien? > >Be well, >Catherine Daly >cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:23:34 --0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeff Chester Subject: Thank you! 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"little simple romantic poem: "Country Fire" "the firebells bray at night; "the countryside grows chokedly in flame; "we attempt to flee the holocaust, "are turned back, from the crossroads, in pain. "in our dry light and open rafters "we find reflected only traces "of our being; aghast, we stare upon ourselves "in contemplation of our hollow faces. "from every eave, from every black, charred beam, "from all burnt corners, all seared broken boards "that stare exposed, no longer name a room, "we read our parts, of chattels, not of lords." "Cain "Did you know what would be there, among your rotten hills? "The vileness that destiny has pressed upon you? "In filth and vengeance, see the crowd that mills, "The cross upon his brow, the rain of glows! "His eyes transfixed by spears, he staggers home; "His claws are torn in blood, and still they come! "His cracking body, broken teeth with foam, "Proclaim the bawdy nights, the flow of rum. "Wenches screaming in a thousand poses, "Gambling wildly, in all sorts of ruses, "Returning home to take the ready doses, "To ease his steady pain and salve his bruises: "Found bottle on the table, candle in the parlor; "Knife on the bench and glass in the cupboard; "Danced in circles with a thousand harlots, "Feeling tense and turning, burning in the discord! "His mother good as dead, his father gone, "His brother in his bed in his dark room-- "He pushed aside the curtains with a groan, "And in his wild frenzy caught his doom! "And ours. For who can tell--that mark that lay upon him "Might yet be our god. And now you know the rest-- "His body smashed, His heart,His eyes gouged out, "He lies upon the Crossroads, Cain's bequest." ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 07:55:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: flora fair Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just to clarify for all- By "intimacy", I did not mean the intimacy of reading alone, but the intimacy of the audience's relationship to the readers at slams. And it's more of a question on my part. If the competition is more about the performance and instant rejection or acceptance, does the actual work itself (the content, message) get lost in the "show"? Is the ultimate goal of a slam to communicate or to win? And should poetry communicate something at all times -- be it a feeling, an idea, etc? And is the poem itself the thing, or is it the performance? As for "stand alone", I meant, can it still touch the reader or be compelling without being performed? Or, if it were just read, not performed, would it still carry an effect? I've always thought that it should. And my question was then, does slam poetry do this, or does it exist best in the context of the performance? I hope this clears up any issues of print elitism. Flora --- Maria Damon wrote: > i agree w/ much of what you say in what i've > deleted. i'm responding > to the below. > > >... > > I find Maria Damon's comments a bit > bizarre--after all, if people are > >interested in forming a group of fellow writers to > disuss their craft-- > >this occurs in any area of writing I know of. > > Often the "Language Poets" referred to > themselves as not a movement, > >but a community of writers. > > my issue wasn't with community or discussion but > with what i felt > what a fetishizing of the notion of "craft." slams > are community > formations for sure, and slam culture is often very > community-based. > > > > >"Intimacy"--is being shared in the group responces, > not just as something > >isolated on the page. > > my point exactly. there is intimacy in the > performer's breath, body > language, voice timbre etc. not just in the private > reading > experience. > > >As for a "poem standing on its own"--at some level > that is what poems are in > >the process of trying to achieve. > > > not necessarily. poems have contexts. slam poems > especially. in my > reading the implication was that if a poem doesn't > "stand on its own" > on a white page, it's not a poem. that's what i was > taking issue with. > > xo, md > > -- __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:13:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poetry Slams In-Reply-To: <20030831145543.57265.qmail@web10007.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 7:55 AM -0700 8/31/03, flora fair wrote: >Just to clarify for all- >By "intimacy", I did not mean the intimacy of reading >alone, but the intimacy of the audience's relationship >to the readers at slams. And it's more of a question >on my part. If the competition is more about the >performance and instant rejection or acceptance, does >the actual work itself (the content, message) get lost >in the "show"? Is the ultimate goal of a slam to >communicate or to win? i think it's to communicate, but not necessarily the "content" or message. a lot of things are being communicated. the winning stuff is just a gimmick and everyone knows it. it's not the main point. >And should poetry communicate something at all times -- be it a >feeling, an idea, >etc? well, whether it should or not, i'd suggest that it does. but the poet is not necessarily in control of what is communicated. >And is the poem itself the thing, or is it the performance? here is where i find it hard to separate. the poem *is* the performance, in that instance. that's why i actually often prefer the terms "poetic activity" or "poetic event" to "poem," as the latter tends to be (mis)understood as disembodied words on the page that are then epiphenomenally "brought to life" in a secondary event by a performer. in the case of the slam, the performance *is* the poem, whether or not the poem also has another life on a page. > >As for "stand alone", I meant, can it still touch the >reader or be compelling without being performed? perhaps, different readers in different ways. but it is a different poem. >Or,if it were just read, not performed, would it still carry an effect? maybe but it'd be a different effect. >I've always thought that it should. > >And my question was then, does slam poetry do this, or does it exist >best in the context of the performance? some slam poetry exists only in the moment, some has another life on a page. different poets, poems and hearers/readers will have different experiences of these. it is hard to generalize about "slam poetry" > >I hope this clears up any issues of print elitism. > >Flora > >--- Maria Damon wrote: >> i agree w/ much of what you say in what i've >> deleted. i'm responding >> to the below. >> >> >... >> > I find Maria Damon's comments a bit >> bizarre--after all, if people are >> >interested in forming a group of fellow writers to >> disuss their craft-- >> >this occurs in any area of writing I know of. >> > Often the "Language Poets" referred to >> themselves as not a movement, >> >but a community of writers. >> >> my issue wasn't with community or discussion but >> with what i felt >> what a fetishizing of the notion of "craft." slams >> are community >> formations for sure, and slam culture is often very >> community-based. >> >> > >> >"Intimacy"--is being shared in the group responces, >> not just as something >> >isolated on the page. >> >> my point exactly. there is intimacy in the >> performer's breath, body >> language, voice timbre etc. not just in the private >> reading >> experience. >> >> >As for a "poem standing on its own"--at some level >> that is what poems are in >> >the process of trying to achieve. >> >> >> not necessarily. poems have contexts. slam poems >> especially. in my >> reading the implication was that if a poem doesn't >> "stand on its own" >> on a white page, it's not a poem. that's what i was >> taking issue with. >> >> xo, md >> >> -- > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:16:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: title haunt Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I havent seen a copy of this in years. This is my first chapbook =20 issued as a special issue of the WISCONSIN REVIEW. Strong Iowa =20 Writer's Workshop influence in juxtaposition to everything Ive =20 published since. Frightening. Everyone has to start somewhere. The Steady Hiker Reverie. Drawings By Debra Rozelle. by And, Miekal. =A0 about this copy seller information condition: Book: Fine Edition: 1st edition Publisher: Wisconsin Review, Oshkosh, WI Date Published: 1978 Description: Fine in wraps. Special Attributes: first edition http://www.ALIBRIS.COM/search/=20 detail.cfm?chunk=3D25&mtype=3D&qauth=3Dmiekal%20and&S=3DR&bid=3D8102820257= &pqtynew=20 =3D&page=3D1&matches=3D4&qsort=3Dr= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:26:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: title haunt In-Reply-To: <468F0852-DBDF-11D7-8547-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" aw miekal, modesty doesn't suit you. it's probably just lovely. how much are they asking. At 11:16 AM -0700 8/31/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >I havent seen a copy of this in years. This is my first chapbook >issued as a special issue of the WISCONSIN REVIEW. Strong Iowa >Writer's Workshop influence in juxtaposition to everything Ive >published since. Frightening. Everyone has to start somewhere. > > >The Steady Hiker Reverie. Drawings By Debra Rozelle. >by And, Miekal. > >about this copy seller information > >condition: >Book: Fine > >Edition: 1st edition >Publisher: Wisconsin Review, Oshkosh, WI >Date Published: 1978 >Description: Fine in wraps. >Special Attributes: first edition > >http://www.ALIBRIS.COM/search/detail.cfm?chunk=25&mtype=&qauth=miekal%20and&S=R&bid=8102820257&pqtynew=&page=1&matches=4&qsort=r ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 11:34:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: title haunt In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a deal at $11.95, been out of print for more than 20 years... On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 09:26 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > aw miekal, modesty doesn't suit you. it's probably just lovely. how > much are they asking. > > At 11:16 AM -0700 8/31/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >> I havent seen a copy of this in years. This is my first chapbook >> issued as a special issue of the WISCONSIN REVIEW. Strong Iowa >> Writer's Workshop influence in juxtaposition to everything Ive >> published since. Frightening. Everyone has to start somewhere. >> >> >> The Steady Hiker Reverie. Drawings By Debra Rozelle. >> by And, Miekal. >> >> about this copy seller information >> >> condition: >> Book: Fine >> >> Edition: 1st edition >> Publisher: Wisconsin Review, Oshkosh, WI >> Date Published: 1978 >> Description: Fine in wraps. >> Special Attributes: first edition >> >> http://www.ALIBRIS.COM/search/ >> detail.cfm?chunk=25&mtype=&qauth=miekal%20and&S=R&bid=8102820257&pqtyn >> ew=&page=1&matches=4&qsort=r > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:08:20 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Chicago Review question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can somebody give me the details of when The Chicago Review did its special issue on the Objectivists -- I think it was in the early 1980s. I need the year & season, also vol. number etc. B/C please Thanks, Ron Silliman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 02:48:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: xStream #13 online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline xStream -- Issue #13 xStream Issue #13 is online: 1. Regular: Works from 7 poets (Raymond Farr, Andrew French, Thomas Fink, L.B. Sedlacek, Michael Ruby, Rochelle Hope Mehr, John Byrum) 2. Autoissue: Computer-generated poems from Issue #13 texts, whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", new issue in every refresh. Submissions are welcome, please send to xstream@xpressed.org. Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:57:15 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: WTO Actions? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there going to Cancun for the WTO meetings?=20 b/c pls=2E=20 thanks David Buuck -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:04:17 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: Announcing _Crop_, by Yedda Morrison MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Crop Yedda Morrison Kelsey St=2E Press, 2003 Poems, 88 pages, $11 ISBN: 0-932716-65-2=20 www=2Ekelseyst=2Ecom www=2Espdbooks=2Eorg "From insecticide to plastic heels, no one has explored the disturbing=20 intimacies between persons and things that arise in a system of=20 exploited labor with as much insight as Yedda Morrison=2E Addressed to=20 a world in which everything is brutally functionalized, her poetry=20 unflinchingly confronts the violence behind the production of the sweet=2E= =20 One of the most original and aesthetically powerful books I have read=20 in years=2E"=20 -Sianne Ngai=20 =09"In the future, historians will look back and wonder why the year 2003=20= marked a paradigm shift for poetry=2E Dozens of concurrent events aided=20= this shift, but Yedda Morrison's first book CROP showed us how poetry=20 can be made interchangeable with activism=2E"=20 -Kevin Killian=20 "Yedda Morrison's CROP spans ideologically charged sites - the=20 factory, the agricultural field - seeking to make heard the 101% social=20= constructedness of all that "on-site" work throught a relentless=20 engagement with the gendered discursive suturing that supports it=2E=20 From the actual valleys of Northern California to Installation=20 Body-Machine Art, Morrison's writing is an overtly staged poetry;=20 topicality is given the tight squeeze in order to counter a full=20 re-absorption into "proper" field designations - journalism, art criticism= ,=20 programmatic politics, etc=2E These poems don't just twizzle their=20 "localities" - they converge on them to move them=2E"=20 -Rodrigo Toscano -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 16:47:57 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: Slam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Always a treat to read Slamattacks on the Poetics! Slam continues as the most vibrant grassroots poetry movement in US. I enjoy the balance of private Gluck as Laureate, reminding us that the Dickinson model is still appropriate -- while Russell Simmons' Def Poetry Jam on Broadway prepares to set sail for a tour of Europe this fall, spereading the Gospel according to Hiphop, Slam, and PerfPo. Sandwiched in the middle: Dana Gioia at the NEA. Slam, like Tchaikovsky, is a great way to introduce an art -- Ornette plays few lullabyes for your infants. Note that one can say Slam w/o a name, because you do not go to a Slam to see a poet, generally, but to participate in an event. An intimate poetry reading in 2003, well, most ears so clogged with rhetoric and commercialspeak that they cannot hear, are bored. How do we enlarge that audience. A Slam, with its attendant mock-hype and hilarious pep rally for poetry, hecklingappropriate scene, is a good starting point to demystify poetry.... Slam is great for high schools and colleges, a forum for getting arts funding like athletics -- Slam! The (Mock) Olympics of Poetry! Death of Walter Ong this week saddens. Those who would speak of the longlasting works of Walt Whitman should check out the griots (jeliya) of West Africa, whose 800 year old (authorless) "poems" still are central to West African culture... And indeed, to hear the African American, Asian, Latino cultures represented at a slam does bring eyebrow arch to many a "straight" reading... I think of Def Jam cast poets Beau Sia & Lemon (who blew off the roof w/ his recitation of "Shine," a classic of African American oral poetry) & Maya del Valle and Stacey Ann Chin, as using rhyme not in/as scheme but as one tool of hiphop inflection. Bob Holman Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 212-614-1224 www.bowerypoetry.com Professor of Writing, Columbia University www.bobholman.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 21:23:55 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: Seattle SUBTEXT Readings Continue MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with reading= s by David Perry and C. E. Putnam at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, Sept= ember 3, 2003. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the evenin= g of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. David Perry lives in Brooklyn, New York, and works as a freelance editor,= multimedia producer, landscaper, occasional adjunct English professor (mo= st recently at St. John's University) and writer. He is the author of two bo= oks, Range Finder (Adventures in Poetry, 2001) and Knowledge Follows. Recent = poetry is forthcoming or has appeared in Baffling Combustions, DC Poetry = Anthology 2003(http://www.dcpoetry.com/anth2003.htm), The Poker, The Baff= ler, and Monkey Puzzle. He also has work in the Subtext poetry archive a= t: http://www.speakeasy.org/subtext/poetry/davidperry/. C.E. Putnam was born in Seattle Washington and has lived in three world c= apitals(London, Washington DC, and Bangkok). He maintains P.I.S.O.R. (The= Putnam Institute for Space Opera Research) & operates FiftyCentsOffPress= . Monkey Puzzle, Bird Dog, Pom2, Ixnay, 6ix, Pavement Saw, Tin Fish, Ska= nky Possum and http://canwehaveourballback.com/6putnam.htm contain some o= f his writings. He currently lives in Seattle and is a co-curator of the = Subtext Reading Series. The future Subtext 2003 schedule is: Oct 1 =E2=80=93 Jacqueline Waters (Brooklyn, NY) and Donna Stonecipher Nov 5 =E2=80=93 Philip Jenks (Portland, OR) and Doug Nufer Dec 3 =E2=80=93 Laynie Browne (Oakland, CA) and Robert Mittenthal For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/subtext. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:02:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit calling slam a "grassroots poetry movement"is like calling Fox "fair and balanced" Slam is comercial, very comercial and it is more akin to performance art than to Poetry. Sure Def Poetry Jam is going to Europe he has a ton of money from all the other "art" he does and can finance it. And then there is the gospel according to hip hop that has been co-opted by Mr Mathers, Sean John and company... > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Nuyopoman@AOL.COM > Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2003 3:48 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Slam > > > Always a treat to read Slamattacks on the Poetics! > > Slam continues as the most vibrant grassroots poetry movement in > US. I enjoy > the balance of private Gluck as Laureate, reminding us that the Dickinson > model is still appropriate -- while Russell Simmons' Def Poetry > Jam on Broadway > prepares to set sail for a tour of Europe this fall, spereading the Gospel > according to Hiphop, Slam, and PerfPo. Sandwiched in the middle: > Dana Gioia at the > NEA. > > Slam, like Tchaikovsky, is a great way to introduce an art -- > Ornette plays > few lullabyes for your infants. Note that one can say Slam w/o a > name, because > you do not go to a Slam to see a poet, generally, but to participate in an > event. An intimate poetry reading in 2003, well, most ears so clogged with > rhetoric and commercialspeak that they cannot hear, are bored. > How do we enlarge > that audience. A Slam, with its attendant mock-hype and hilarious > pep rally for > poetry, hecklingappropriate scene, is a good starting point to demystify > poetry.... > > Slam is great for high schools and colleges, a forum for getting > arts funding > like athletics -- Slam! The (Mock) Olympics of Poetry! > > Death of Walter Ong this week saddens. Those who would speak of the > longlasting works of Walt Whitman should check out the griots > (jeliya) of West Africa, > whose 800 year old (authorless) "poems" still are central to West African > culture... > > And indeed, to hear the African American, Asian, Latino cultures > represented > at a slam does bring eyebrow arch to many a "straight" reading... > > I think of Def Jam cast poets Beau Sia & Lemon (who blew off the > roof w/ his > recitation of "Shine," a classic of African American oral poetry) > & Maya del > Valle and Stacey Ann Chin, as using rhyme not in/as scheme but as > one tool of > hiphop inflection. > > > Bob Holman > Bowery Poetry Club > 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 > 212-614-1224 www.bowerypoetry.com > Professor of Writing, Columbia University > www.bobholman.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 15:54:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: Slam In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Nuyopoman@AOL.COM wrote: > Always a treat to read Slamattacks on the Poetics! > > Slam continues as the most vibrant grassroots poetry > movement in US. I enjoy > the balance of private Gluck as Laureate, reminding > us that the Dickinson > model is still appropriate -- while Russell Simmons' > Def Poetry Jam on Broadway > prepares to set sail for a tour of Europe this fall, > spereading the Gospel > according to Hiphop, Slam, and PerfPo. Sandwiched in > the middle: Dana Gioia at the > NEA. > > Slam, like Tchaikovsky, is a great way to introduce > an art -- Ornette plays > few lullabyes for your infants. Note that one can > say Slam w/o a name, because > you do not go to a Slam to see a poet, generally, > but to participate in an > event. An intimate poetry reading in 2003, well, > most ears so clogged with > rhetoric and commercialspeak that they cannot hear, > are bored. How do we enlarge > that audience. A Slam, with its attendant mock-hype > and hilarious pep rally for > poetry, hecklingappropriate scene, is a good > starting point to demystify > poetry.... > > Slam is great for high schools and colleges, a forum > for getting arts funding > like athletics -- Slam! The (Mock) Olympics of > Poetry! > > Death of Walter Ong this week saddens. Those who > would speak of the > longlasting works of Walt Whitman should check out > the griots (jeliya) of West Africa, > whose 800 year old (authorless) "poems" still are > central to West African > culture... > > And indeed, to hear the African American, Asian, > Latino cultures represented > at a slam does bring eyebrow arch to many a > "straight" reading... > > I think of Def Jam cast poets Beau Sia & Lemon (who > blew off the roof w/ his > recitation of "Shine," a classic of African American > oral poetry) & Maya del > Valle and Stacey Ann Chin, as using rhyme not in/as > scheme but as one tool of > hiphop inflection. > > > Bob Holman > Bowery Poetry Club > 308 Bowery NY NY 10012 > 212-614-1224 HREF="www.bowerypoetry.com">www.bowerypoetry.com > Professor of Writing, Columbia University > www.bobholman.com ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 22:29:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: How Obsession Makes Everything All Right MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII How Obsession Makes Everything All Right "This is a paper copy."sire imagine flying without radar into heavy get the i"This is a paper copy."a of what kyb!npho o kheap o : d "This is a paper copy."adt!me longer speak, every night await "This is a paper copy."ath, every night another life is born to become the thing, no longer speak, every night awaiting "This is a paper copy."ath, every night "This is a paper copy."ath i cant escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou art behind me "This is a paper copy."ath i cant escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou are behind me "This is a paper copy."ath thou dost confound me "This is a paper copy."ath i can't escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou dost confound me "This is a paper copy."ath i can't escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath i die in sleep of thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou dost confound me "This is a paper copy."ath i die in sleep of thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou dost confound me "This is a paper copy."ath thou art upon me "This is a paper copy."ath i die in sleep of thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou art upon me "This is a paper copy."ath i die in sleep of thee "This is a paper copy."ath i can't escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou art upon me "This is a paper copy."ath i can't escape thee "This is a paper copy."ath thou art upon me "i can't escape "This is a paper copy."ath. it is always there. it troubles my dreams. i find "His mother good as "This is a paper copy."ad, his father gone, ___