========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:25:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: strange energies MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII strange energies this machine lies old and cracked in the garbage. the desk has collapsed and no longer supports anything. my hands are shattered bones. the walls of this building leave small traces in the earth overgrown with weeds. the fabric of the chair has decayed and its frame rusted. my sweater has disappeared. the air has shifted. the copper pipes lie in a tangled heap. the trees have moved on. there are different elements. my glasses are buried in the muck. the keyboard has been recycled into annihilation. the sounds are screaming and unknown. the wiring is broken into pieces. light radiates nowhere. the christmas tree has turned to dust. my eyes are eaten out. my partner lies dead among me. unknown radiations screech through the atmosphere. winds bring difference. the pair of scissors is twisted miles from here. the sink is overturned deep below the surface of the bround. the keyboard is smashed and silent. the electric fan has corroded down to the level of the interior rotor. the hard drive has bent beyond recognition. the junked couch is nothing but rusted springs. different clouds gather here. the remains of the cat have been completely devoured. the edo chest has recycled into different plants. the model woodie with its tiny surfboard has disappeared. the windows are smashed beyond recognition. the bed has been junked and buried. my arms are broken into pieces. the cars are shattered bones. the neck has collapsed and no longer supports anything. the city is overgrown with weeds. my clothes are buried in the muck. the smashed abacus lies empty and beadless. the television has recycled into different plants. sound radiates nowhere. the radio has been completely devoured. the video tapes are smashed beyond recognition. the fabric of the chair has decayed and its frame rusted ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:25:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: vomit culture. 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A serious question to which I do not know the answer(s): When English literature was first added to school curricula, it was in the colonial schools in India and its purpose there was a way to culturally trained the comprador middle bureaucratic class (among other things of course). What is the cultural (or other) purpose of our teaching of literature and/or poetry in higher education now? --- Joel Weishaus wrote: > The statement that "there are no jobs teaching > contemporary poetry" as an > academic subject seems incorrect. Maybe there are no > openings, but the job > market is tough all over. Like Vietnam, Iraq is > gutting us. As for Fish, I > like him for his guts. His fish guts. > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:09 PM > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > > > I thought I had a job in which I taught modern > poetry -- so did the people > who > > hired me -- > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, > Stanley Fish has an > article > > about the > > > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you > need a password to open > the > > > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. > He basically says the > same > > thing I > > > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he > continues to tell his crazy > lies > > about > > > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets > hired. It's extremely tough > to > > land any > > > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he > implies are there > aren't > > there. > > > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. > Out of over 1000 posts > this > > year, > > > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be > possible to teach > contemporary > > poetry > > > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative > writing position. But in > terms > > of > > > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. > Or I should say -- > there > > were two > > > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and > stipulated that one had to be > working > > within > > > economic studies of literary production, and the > other was in Utah. > > > > > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have > one, and am a bit over the > hill > > at > > > 47. I can't compete with the new people with > fresh parchment. I'm > going to > > melt > > > away in these hills rather happily, as long as > the state system can > afford it. > > > > > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > > > > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to > business concerns, or as > the > > ultimate > > > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is > the business of > America." > > > > > > I guess English departments can be made to teach > business memos, and > technical > > > writing. > > > > > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both > the Marxist left and the > > Calvinist > > > right. And the possibility therefore of > caprice. > > > > > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just > going to draw more ire > from the > > > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > > > > > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > > > > > My links don't ever work, but miracles > occasionally take place. > > > > > > -- Kirby > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright > Orthography . . ." > > --Emily > Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? 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The ensuing humanity is a rugged compassion, a hellcat=E2=80=99s lan= guage sobered by=20 the memory mill, but ultimately the safety net of a poetry that sticks its=20 neck out.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 Heather Fuller =E2=80=9CReaders old enough to have read Max Beerbohm=E2=80=99s Seven Men wi= ll recall the=20 competition between Hilary Maltby=E2=80=99s Ariel in Mayfair and Stephen Bra= xton=E2=80=99s A=20 Faun on the Cotswolds, and will conclude that 248 mgs. trumps both at their=20= own=20 game. Susan Landers has turned Pan on his head to spell out NAP, nap in whic= h=20 she sees and writes through the creepy children=E2=80=99s modernism of Rosse= tti,=20 Stein, Sandburg, Harryman, and Freud. 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If you're at all in twinkly kindly mode, will you = please send me your phone number as I can't get through by email. Mairead >>> 12/01/03 09:39 AM >>> The message that you sent was undeliverable to the following: damon001@umn.edu (550 5.7.1 ... Rejected by = user; see: ) Information about your message: Possibly truncated original message follows: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:51:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: poetic inhalation: poetic artistic revolution evolution MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andrew, Looks like good stuff in this new installation. I am looking forward to checking it out. A question I have about review. I have a book out just out like this week, Unhurried Visions, and was wondering about your policy on reviews. Are you accepting reviews? How do you do it? Hope all's well, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Lundwall" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: poetic inhalation: poetic artistic revolution evolution > hello friends, > > below you will find a list of brand spanking new material found > exclusively on poeticinhalation.com... be sure to check it out! > > -andrew and star > > *** > > poem of the week of 12/1...carmen gage > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/featurepoem.html > > *** > > ...tin lustre mobile... > > ...v3i6 > > poets...anne marie eldon...aparna sharma...larry jaffe...mark > young...paul skyrm > > featured artist...aparneet singh > > http://www.poeticinhalation/v3i6.html > > ...v3i7 > > translations by...maya jouravel...todd sanders...ray federman > > featured artist...hemut kand > > http://www.poeticinhalation/v3i7.html > > *** > > ...poetic inhalation features... > art galleries... > > jason beam...temptation > > http://www.poeticinhalation/jasonbeam.html > > colleen af venable...art taboo > > http://www.poeticinhalation/colleenafvenable.html > > v mann...bound and gagged > > http://www.poeticinhalation/vcmann.html > > poetic artists... > > stephen mead > > http://www.poeticinhalation/stephenmead.html > > ignacio fusilier artistry fused with star smith poetry > > http://www.poeticinhalation/beyonddefinition.html > > creative writing... > > raymond federman...gaston the rejected editor > > http://www.poeticinhalation/gaston.html > > chapbook reviews... > > andrew lundwall reviews kari edwards' iduna and william allegrezza's > lingo > > http://www.poeticinhalation/doubledose.html > > tom hibbard reviews larry sawyer > > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/affordable.html > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:38:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael J Kelleher Subject: This Week at Just Buffalo/Hibiscus Room Comments: To: core-l@listserv.buffalo.edu, ubuweb@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WORLD OF VOICES,A Just Buffalo, White Pine Press Collaboration, presents poet Marjorie Agosin, Dec. 2-5, 12/2 7 p.m. A Cross and Star: Growing Up Jewish in Chile. Jewish Community Center of Greater Buffalo, 2640 North Forest Road, Getzville, NY. 12/3, 2 p.m. Reading and Q & A, Romance Languages Dept., SUNY Buffalo, Clemens Hall 930. 12/5, 7:30 p.m. Writing a Difference: Activism and Writing, Medaille College Lecture Hall, Reading and discussion on Writing and Activism, Moderated by Brian Lampkin, owner of Rust Belt Books wth panelists: Manny Fried, Roxanne Amico, Tim McPeek, Marjorie Agosín (co-sponsored by The Western New York Peace Center). All Events are free and open to the public. Call 832-5400 for more info. IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM Marj Hahne and Nava Fader, December 5, 8 p.m., $4, $3 Students, $2 members Marj Hahne’s poems have been published in Painted Bride Quarterly, Mad Poets Review, La Petite Zine, as well as the anthology, Off the Cuffs: poems by and/or about "cops." She has released a CD, notspeak. Nava Fader received her master's degree from SUNY at Buffalo's Poetics Program, writing her thesis on Adrienne Rich. She was the recipient of a Just Buffalo Poet In Residence Award in 1996. MARJ HAHNE will conduct a one day workshop for beginning poets and those looking to begin again on Saturday called, “So You Say You Can’t Write Poetry,” in the Hibiscus Room from 12-5 p.m. $35, $30 for members. Space is limited. Call 832-5400 for details. The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Literary Center is located at the Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste., 512, Buffalo, NY 14214. Tel. 832-5400. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 09:52:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit actually I have a friend from College who is an editor at National Review (the bible of the right) and he said to me quite a few months ago that the goal of many Republican groups (Cato Institute and AEI) is to separate Academic funding giving more to the sciences and science/Technology universities (EG MIT, Cal Poly, Iowa State, others) and defund the humanities and arts. I think this is an important topic since most academics are center left and left and they have no influence within Republican circles they are not going to be listened to. I am not an academic but since most of the poetry and poetics I care about comes out of Academia this is a fear. RB > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of ALDON L NIELSEN > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:10 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > > > > > I thought I had a job in which I taught modern poetry -- so did > > the people who > > hired me -- > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, Stanley Fish has > > an article > > about the > > > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you need a > > password to open the > > > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. He basically > > says the same > > thing I > > > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he continues to tell > > his crazy lies > > about > > > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets hired. It's > > extremely tough to > > land any > > > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he implies are > > there aren't > > there. > > > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. Out of over > > 1000 posts this > > year, > > > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be possible to teach > > contemporary > > poetry > > > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative writing position. > > But in terms > > of > > > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. Or I should > > say -- there > > were two > > > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and stipulated that one had > > to be working > > within > > > economic studies of literary production, and the other was in Utah. > > > > > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have one, and am a bit > > over the hill > > at > > > 47. I can't compete with the new people with fresh parchment. > > I'm going to > > melt > > > away in these hills rather happily, as long as the state system > > can afford it. > > > > > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > > > > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to business > > concerns, or as the > > ultimate > > > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is the business of > > America." > > > > > > I guess English departments can be made to teach business > > memos, and technical > > > writing. > > > > > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both the Marxist > left and the > > Calvinist > > > right. And the possibility therefore of caprice. > > > > > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just going to draw > > more ire from the > > > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > > > > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > > > > > My links don't ever work, but miracles occasionally take place. > > > > > > -- Kirby > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino's ::fait accompli:: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ::fait accompli:: on the sidebar: Poetry reading listings for New York, Cambridge, Mass, Washington DC, Philadelphia, Oakland, Northern California, Suny/Buffalo Poetics Program On fa today: Response to Mike County's question about blogging's effect on poetry please come and visit ::fait accompli:: http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/ and the EPC bloglist http://epc.buffalo.edu/connects/blogs.html ::fait accompli:: over 55,000 hits since 5/23/03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:41:29 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: New stuff in the possum pouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Olson and Quantitative Verse James Gibbons on Fanny Howe and Eshleman on Vallejo * Issue 9 of skanky possum is available now. Featuring Timothy Liu Karen Weiser Andrew Joron Nathaniel Tarn Daniel Bouchard Tom Clark Christopher Longoria Eleni Sikelianos & Jack Collom Andy Schuck Avery E.D. Burns Leslie Davis Gloria Frym Carl Thayler Joanne Kyger Joe Safdie Issue 10 will be ready in a week or so with Eileen Myles Richard Owens Mark Farrell Catherine Kasper Jerome Rothenberg Albert Glover Chris Clendenin Thomas Fink Chris Stroffolino Peggy Kelley Vincent Katz Donald Guravich Roger Snell Stephen Bett Duncan McNaughton Chris Tysh Laure Millet Maureen Foley Linh Dinh Jenny Browne Diane di Prima $6 plus $1.50 for s & h $10 will get you the whole possum bundle will be available later this month at SPD issue 11 will be available early spring with work by Pierre Joris, Kenneth Irby, Ron Silliman, David Hadbawnik and others.... -- Dale Smith 2925 Higgins Street Austin, Texas 78722 www.skankypossum.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:07:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Select Soft Skull poetry events in NYC this week Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ______________________________________________ Tuesday, December 2 2003 7:00pm Maggie Estep reads at KGB! KGB Bar 85 East 4th Street New York, NY 10003 http://www.kgbbar.com 212-505-3360 FREE! Take the F to 2nd Ave or the 6 to Bleecker. Felicia Sullivan hosts Maggie Estep for the Nonfiction Series at KGB Bar! Maggie Estep is the author of Diary of an Emotional Idiot (Soft Skull, 2003), Hex, Soft Maniacs, and a collection called Love Dance of the Mechanical Animals. For more info, see http://www.maggieestep.com ______________________________________________ Wednesday, December 3 2003 10:00pm Daniel Nester & Regie Cabico host Karaoke + Poetry = Fun at the Bowery Poetry Club! This week features "The Battle of the MFA Programs: NYU vs. The New School!" Graduate Creative Writing students face of with their prose, poetry, and pop renditions! Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Between Houston & Bleecker, across from CGGBs) http: //www.bowerypoetry.com $6 admission Take the F to 2nd Ave or the 6 to Bleecker. Selected open singing/reading after featured performers. Arrive early to sign up. For more information, including a song list, see http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com/KPF/KPF.htm DANIEL NESTER is the author of God Save My Queen: A Tribute, and the editor of Unpleasant Event Schedule. He curates and hosts Karaoke+ Poetry = Fun with Regie Cabico and is the former editor of La Petite Zine. His poetry recently appeared in Best American Poetry 2003, edited by Yusef Komunyakaa. ______________________________________________ Sunday, December 7 2003 2:00pm The FREQUENCY Series presents Dara Wier + Jordan Davis! With special guest poet Christian Bok! Hosted by Shanna Compton Soft Skull Shortwave Indie-Press Co-Op 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY 11217 (718) 643-1599 http://www.softskull.com/shortwave.php Take the A/C or G to Hoyt-Schermerhorn or the F or G to Bergen-Smith. Dara Wier is the author of Our Master Plan, Voyages in English, and most recently, Hat on a Pond (Verse Press). For more information, visit the Verse Press web site at http://www.versepress.org/wier.html Jordan Davis is editor of The Hat and a contributor to Fence's Constant Critic site. His most recent books are Million Poems Journal (Faux Press) and A Winter Magazine (Situations). For more info, see http://equanimity.blogspot.com/ Christian Bok is in town from Canada, so we asked him to come by and read a few new poems as well. A treat! Christian Bok is the author of Eunoia (Coach House Books, 2001)--a bestselling work of experimental literature that has won the Griffin Prize for Poetic Excellence (2002). Crystallography (Coach House Press, 1994), his first book of poetry, earned a nomination for the Gerald Lampert Memorial Award (1995). ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:15:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Latta Subject: Latta Reading in Greensboro, NC Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm reading with Kevin Boyle on Thursday, December 4th at 8 pm in the Faculty Center (of UNCG) on College Avenue in Greensboro, North Carolina. Also a live radio thing at 5:30 the same day on WUAG. If anybody's in the area . . . John Latta ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:22:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Latta Reading in Greensboro, NC Comments: To: new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu In-Reply-To: <1070298905.3fcb771999238@carrierpigeon.mail.umich.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Good luck, John! I wish I cd be there. gabe At 12:15 PM 12/1/2003 -0500, lattaj@umich.edu wrote: >I'm reading with Kevin Boyle on Thursday, December 4th at 8 pm in the Faculty >Center (of UNCG) on College Avenue in Greensboro, North Carolina. Also a live >radio thing at 5:30 the same day on WUAG. > >If anybody's in the area . . . > >John Latta >_______________________________________________ >New-Poetry mailing list >New-Poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu >http://wiz.cath.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/new-poetry ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:00:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Give poetry... Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Just a little crass commercialism from your friends at Soft Skull... Holiday cheer, Shanna __________________________________________ ****************************************** POETRY MAKES A GREAT GIFT! Now available from SOFT SKULL PRESS __________________________________________ *** BEFORE, DURING & AFTER: Poems by Hal Sirowitz *** http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-887128-93-X http://www.halsirowitz.com Hal Sirowitz's new collection is all about the one word its title leaves out: SEX. Hal shares the ups and downs of his romantic history from adolescence to adulthood and lets his girlfriends do most of the talking. Sometimes Hal strikes out, sometimes he gets lucky, but he kisses and tells in the inimitable Sirowitz style that has inspired hilarity and Hal-O-Mania from New York to Norway. __________________________________________ *** FINAL GIRL: Poems by Daphne Gottlieb *** http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-887128-97-2 http://www.daphnegottlieb.com "From baby to baby sitter to bartender; from Barbie to mother to whore, Gottlieb delves into women's roles and role reversals, stretching feminist boundaries with her limitless point of view. Drawing from an array of texts= , ranging from Emerson's essays to newspaper accounts of the murder of Eddie 'Gwen' Araujo, she writes poems that are at times gritty, sexual, violent and sad, evoking in the process a numbr of women such as Stevie Smith, Anne Sexton and Adrienne Rich. ...What separates Gottlieb from that crew of writers is that the protagonists of her poems are more often heroes than victims, hunters rather than prey.... One hopes that Gottlieb's thoughtful poems about what it means to be female and thus subject to the male gaze ar= e welcomed by new readers of any gender." =8BSan Francisco Chronicle __________________________________________ *** GOD SAVE MY QUEEN: A Tribute by Daniel Nester *** http://www.softskull.com/detailedbook.php?isbn=3D1-887128-27-1 http://www.godsavemyqueen.com "Nester's method considers a serious fan's bliss impeccably =8A Nester's best poems consider the homosexual allure of the band's late singer, Freddie Mercury, describing Mercury's gestures, phrasing and lifestyle with aplomb.= " --The New York Times Book Review "[A] striking memoir of essays and poems, is an intimate listening guide to psychosexual awakening, track by track, album by album. ... Tenderly and methodically, with an awkward grace, the boy fits inside the band as the band fits inside the headphones." --Ross Martin in Crossroads: The Journal of the Poetry Society of America __________________________________________ *** AND EVEN MORE SOFT SKULL POETRY HERE *** http://www.softskull.com/index.php?genre=3Dpoetry *** TO VIEW OUR COMPLETE CATALOG *** http://www.softskull.com/catalog.php ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:19:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: <000001c3b823$0eb1b800$a650a243@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII if that's there goal, who is going to teach the Canon? and ... don't they know this is already happening. have to say as well that the major grant getters from the gov't in the sciences are Harvard, Johns Hopkins and the UW, none of which are tech only schools. bio, not tech, gets money. of course, it appears that right doesn't do their homework when it comes to academia. rmc -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Haas Bianchi wrote: > actually > > I have a friend from College who is an editor at National Review > (the bible of the right) and he said to me > quite a few months ago that the goal of many Republican groups > (Cato Institute and AEI) is to separate Academic funding giving > more to the sciences and science/Technology universities (EG > MIT, Cal Poly, Iowa State, others) and defund the humanities and arts. > > I think this is an important topic since most academics are > center left and left and they have no influence within Republican > circles they are not going to be listened to. I am not an > academic but since most of the poetry and poetics I care about > comes out of Academia this is a fear. > > RB > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of ALDON L NIELSEN > > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:10 PM > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > > > > > > > > I thought I had a job in which I taught modern poetry -- so did > > > the people who > > > hired me -- > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > > > > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, Stanley Fish has > > > an article > > > about the > > > > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you need a > > > password to open the > > > > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. He basically > > > says the same > > > thing I > > > > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he continues to tell > > > his crazy lies > > > about > > > > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets hired. It's > > > extremely tough to > > > land any > > > > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he implies are > > > there aren't > > > there. > > > > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. Out of over > > > 1000 posts this > > > year, > > > > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be possible to teach > > > contemporary > > > poetry > > > > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative writing position. > > > But in terms > > > of > > > > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. Or I should > > > say -- there > > > were two > > > > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and stipulated that one had > > > to be working > > > within > > > > economic studies of literary production, and the other was in Utah. > > > > > > > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have one, and am a bit > > > over the hill > > > at > > > > 47. I can't compete with the new people with fresh parchment. > > > I'm going to > > > melt > > > > away in these hills rather happily, as long as the state system > > > can afford it. > > > > > > > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > > > > > > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to business > > > concerns, or as the > > > ultimate > > > > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is the business of > > > America." > > > > > > > > I guess English departments can be made to teach business > > > memos, and technical > > > > writing. > > > > > > > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both the Marxist > > left and the > > > Calvinist > > > > right. And the possibility therefore of caprice. > > > > > > > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just going to draw > > > more ire from the > > > > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > > > > > > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > > > > > > > My links don't ever work, but miracles occasionally take place. > > > > > > > > -- Kirby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > > > --Emily Dickinson > > > > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > > The Pennsylvania State University > > > 116 Burrowes > > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 10:37:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To keep it "higher." Without the Humanities we don't have education but job training centers, which is what many American universities are becoming. The plan is not to have educated citizens, but job-ready citizens, a move toward the completion of the Capitalist State. At Thanksgiving dinner was a young woman who attends the University of Oregon. She told me she has a double major: Art and Business. "Just in case," she said. I suggested that (as she won't be an artist, which I didn't tell her) she plan to teach art. She replied that she's considering this option. Best, Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazim Ali" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:35 AM Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > Can I ask a question? A serious question to which I do > not know the answer(s): > > When English literature was first added to school > curricula, it was in the colonial schools in India and > its purpose there was a way to culturally trained the > comprador middle bureaucratic class (among other > things of course). > > What is the cultural (or other) purpose of our > teaching of literature and/or poetry in higher > education now? > > --- Joel Weishaus wrote: > > The statement that "there are no jobs teaching > > contemporary poetry" as an > > academic subject seems incorrect. Maybe there are no > > openings, but the job > > market is tough all over. Like Vietnam, Iraq is > > gutting us. As for Fish, I > > like him for his guts. His fish guts. > > > > -Joel > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "ALDON L NIELSEN" > > To: > > Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 4:09 PM > > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > > > > > > I thought I had a job in which I taught modern > > poetry -- so did the people > > who > > > hired me -- > > > > > > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:28:07, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > > > > In this week's Chronicle of Higher Education, > > Stanley Fish has an > > article > > > about the > > > > coming assault on academia. I'm not sure if you > > need a password to open > > the > > > > article. Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. > > He basically says the > > same > > > thing I > > > > was trying to say a few weeks ago, except he > > continues to tell his crazy > > lies > > > about > > > > supply-side hiring. Whoever's there, gets > > hired. It's extremely tough > > to > > > land any > > > > kind of job in academia. Also, the jobs that he > > implies are there > > aren't > > > there. > > > > There are no jobs teaching contemporary poetry. > > Out of over 1000 posts > > this > > > year, > > > > to be honest, there were two. Now it may be > > possible to teach > > contemporary > > > poetry > > > > if you are a poet and are hired in a creative > > writing position. But in > > terms > > > of > > > > scholarship, this field simply no longer exists. > > Or I should say -- > > there > > > were two > > > > jobs posted. One was in San Diego, and > > stipulated that one had to be > > working > > > within > > > > economic studies of literary production, and the > > other was in Utah. > > > > > > > > I'm not looking for a job by the way. I have > > one, and am a bit over the > > hill > > > at > > > > 47. I can't compete with the new people with > > fresh parchment. I'm > > going to > > > melt > > > > away in these hills rather happily, as long as > > the state system can > > afford it. > > > > > > > > I'm just worried a tsunami is headed this way. > > > > > > > > The right wants teaching to be subordinate to > > business concerns, or as > > the > > > ultimate > > > > Calvinist Calvin Coolidge puts it, "Business is > > the business of > > America." > > > > > > > > I guess English departments can be made to teach > > business memos, and > > technical > > > > writing. > > > > > > > > I'm interested in a surrealist critique of both > > the Marxist left and the > > > Calvinist > > > > right. And the possibility therefore of > > caprice. > > > > > > > > Here's the Fish article, which I think is just > > going to draw more ire > > from the > > > > right, as it's totally dishonest: > > > > > > > > > > http://chronicle.com/jobs/2003/11/2003112601c.htm > > > > > > > > My links don't ever work, but miracles > > occasionally take place. > > > > > > > > -- Kirby > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > "Breaking in bright > > Orthography . . ." > > > --Emily > > Dickinson > > > > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > > The Pennsylvania State University > > > 116 Burrowes > > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:54:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Latta Reading in Greensboro, NC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does WUAG webcast... something for those of us in the far, coldening north? Cheers, Gerald > I'm reading with Kevin Boyle on Thursday, December 4th at 8 pm in the Faculty > Center (of UNCG) on College Avenue in Greensboro, North Carolina. Also a live > radio thing at 5:30 the same day on WUAG. > > If anybody's in the area . . . > > John Latta ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:06:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: fish on academe... In-Reply-To: <3FCA598C.7FC345EB@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is a basic incoherence in the right wing strategy against higher education. On the one hand, they want to defund higher education. (Good thing the feds don't pay for it, except for financial aid.) On the other hand, they want to regulate it more, which requires money. For inst., some conservatives want to make the canon more central to higher education. The task of curriculum supervision, however, is done not by states and not by the feds, but by accreditors who are voluntary, self-governing and self-supporting (and who also make recomendations about financial aid.) So, in order to federalize higher ed, money would have to be taken from the institutions and put it into bureaucracy. As it is, higher ed has been defunded for the last ten years, more intensely in the last two, and it has been declining slowly for twenty. Goal 1 is being achieved, regardless. Institutions already know how to deal with it. And goal 1 will not achieve the end of the humanities (which conflicts, by the way, with goal 2, since computer scientists--except for odd ones--can't teach Plato or Joyce). The humanities are cheap, both at the undergraduate and graduate level. We cut corners, but they actually help fund other, more fund-driven pursuits, such as chemistry, physics, and even business, because their students pay what everybody else pays and the state subsidizes them at the same rate. Essentially, conservatives believe their anecdotal and assumption driven ideas about higher ed. As I say below, they are in for some surprises if they only listen to their extremists, who by definition don't do homework. I have more comments below, unfortunately in caps. And Kirby, I do appreciate your interventions here. I just for once wanted to do a more direct rebuttal. I believe you were Mona's student, as am I. So we are from the same tribe, as it were. -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Kirby Olson wrote: > Hi Joe, > > The most offensive stroke to me was his assertion that conservatives > wouldn't want to teach modern poetry or Byzantine history. HE DIDN'T SAY THIS, KIRBY. HE SAID IF CONSERVATIVES WANTED TO BE IN THE ACADEMY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO DO THE WORK. He's > pretending that these rather complex subjects still exist when they no > longer do -- what is being taught is ethnic studies by monoglot > multiculturals. THIS IS INCORRECT. CLASSICS, NEAR EASTERN LANGUAGES, MEDIEVAL STUDIES, ETC. ARE ALL STILL TAUGHT AT VARIOUS PLACES, SOMETIMES IN ENGLISH DEPARTMENTS. THEY HAVE FADED BECAUSE OF FUNDING AND INTEREST GAPS, BUT THEY REMAIN. IT'S ROT TO SAY THAT "HISTORY" IS NOT BEING TAUGHT BY THE ACADEMY. He knows that and so do the conservatives. Last night > on C-span the Intercollegiate Studies Institute was on for several > hours. This is an incredible organization with a war chest in excess of > 50 million dollars. They have published a best-selling book called > Choosing the Right College -- (Eerdman's 2000) which has sold over a > million copies. The book lists 108 schools around the country of which > the only two they approve of are Boston University and Grove City. THIS IS MATERIAL MEANT TO PREACH TO THE CHOIR. ONLY AN IDIOT WOULD BELIEVE THAT BU WAS SUPERIOR TO UNC, BERKELY, MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, SUNY-STONY BROOK, LET ALONE HAHRVARD. DO THEY APPROVE OF HAMILTON? And > they document for instance that Oberlin had a master's student in music > who blew another student on stage as part of a classical concert. > Almost every school is treated like that -- they are trying to > absolutely infuriate their constituency, and last night was no > different. It was a war party -- directed entirely at academia. Some > of the familiar figures were there such as William Buckley (something's > happened to his face and he's starting to look like the Grinch as played > by Jim Carrey -- Lincoln said you finally get the face you deserve). I THINK HE MAY HAVE HAD BEL'S PALSY. PERHAPS THIS HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH HIS SLITHERY VOICE. I > think the right is wrong to want to just teach American values since the > foundation (this seems to be what they keep coming back toward in all > their speeches), but some kind of core of what's important does have to > be hammered out. The right is arguing that since the advent of women's > studies, etc., that more and more classes are taught on how to > masturbate, and the ethics of fist-fucking. This has even been in > forums such as Reader's Digest -- which millions read, and the actual > class names, the teachers, and the colleges were listed. While some of > this is no doubt skewed, I did experience something like this in > graduate school. AGAIN, ROT. AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MAD PARENTS AND MAD LEGISLATORS. AT A PRIVATE, YOU COUNT ON YOUR ALUMNI. BOTH OF THESE GROUPS MAY HARBOR ALL THE PREJUDICES YOU CITE, BUT KNOW WHO TO CALL TO RAISE A FUSS...BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE GONE TO THE PARTICULAR INSTITUTION. And the right is absolutely furious about it. I get > the feeling that they think that everybody teaching in college is a turd > and that if they don't flush the toilet the country is going to smell > even worse. I think that somehow academia has to become responsible to > the average tax payer who's footing all of this. Fish is pretending > that nothing's wrong. FISH IS SOUNDING A WARNING. HE DOES NOT THINK THINGS ARE NOT WRONG, BUT THAT THERE IS A CONSIDERABLE MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT ACADEMIA DOES AND DOES NOT DO. HE IS PROBABLY SICK AND TIRED OF HAVING TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF, SINCE HE DOES IT VERY WELL, BUT HIS COLLEAGUES. This is going to infuriate the right even worse > because they know that -- at least from their point of view -- academia > has become a stuck toilet, and they're working night and day on a plan. > I sometimes think I am just paranoid -- but here is Stanley Fish saying > that there's a huge problem (which he thinks is purely in the imaginary > of the right). But that doesn't matter -- it's still a huge problem. > This is going to be the next battleground of the culture wars, and it's > going to be played out in the legal arena, as Fish suggests, but it's > also going to be political -- especially in states with Republican > governors. Already campuses are being taken to court one after another > for creating tiny free-speech zones -- and one after another the > colleges are losing, and being tagged with fines. There are hearings in > congress having to do with the lop-sidedness of American academic life. > It's a drag for me because I had hoped that out of the collision of > opposites some kind of civic responsibility would arise where academia > was in some way forced to become accountable to the tax-payers such that > city planning, civic participation, would result. MOST UNIVERSITIES ARE ACCOUNTABLE. PUBLICS REPORT TO THE STATE ON GRADUATION RATES, NUMBER CREDITS PER DEGREE, UNDERGRADUATES IN RESEARCH, ETC. PRIVATES HAVE TO MAKE THEIR ALUMNI HAPPY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS DEBATE ISN'T BETWEEN OPPOSITES. OR RATHER CONTRARIES--AS UW GRAD, YOU MUST BE AWARE OF BLAKE... It's just an inkling > that I hoped was coming to pass. Instead there's been a kind of ethnic > Balkanization, followed by scapegoating. > > Fish's text simply points at the problem, and then denies that it's > true. > > The other side denies that there's any problem with repression of > minorities and women. > > With both sides denying the other's major claims, and with seemingly no > common ground, I sense a massive war. THAT IS CERTAINLY WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WISHES YOU TO BELIEVE. THEY WILL CAMPAIGN AGAINST HIGHER ED. I THINK THEY WILL FIND THIS MORE DIFFICULT TO DO THAN THEY KNOW. AMERICANS DON'T LIKE PAYING FOR HIGHER ED BUT THEN THEY DON'T LIKE PAYING FOR ROADS, TRAINS, SOCIAL SERVICES, BUT THEY STILL WANT THEM. MORE TO THE POINT, THEY STILL ADMIRE THEIR TARHEELS, HUSKIES, BADGERS, GOLDEN BEARS, ETC. OR THE PROFESSOR THAT TAUGHT THEM HOW TO READ BLAKE. THERE IS MORE GOODWILL TOWARDS THE UNIVERSITIES THAN THERE IS TOWARDS OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS. LIKE ROVE LOOKING FORWARD TO FACING DEAN, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS DEBATE. > Fish's piece is going to be incendiary, I think. It's going to take a > brave person in power to try to head off this huge collision that's > coming. It has to be someone with stature, who can be listened to by > both sides. Perhaps there is no one in America who has that stature. I > can't think of any middle figures who have the brains and the > imagination to do it. Or even what forum exists so that the Calvinists > and the Marxists can begin to communicate. Right now they just seem to > be inflating rhetoric and preparing for slaughter. > > But, hey, maybe I'm paranoid. PARANOIA IS FINE AND PROBABLY AN EVOLUTIONARLY SOUND DEFENSE STRATEGY. YET WHAT GIVES THESE REVOLUTIONARIES POWER IS FEAR, WHICH IS ONE REACTION TO PARANOIA. ANOTHER, MORE PATIENT REACTION, IS TO DO RESEARCH AND REFLECT. THE ECHT FREUDIAN QUESTION, WHY DOES THIS MAKE (ME, YOU, US, THEM) SCARED? > > -- Kirby > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:08:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Latta Subject: Re: Latta Reading in Greensboro, NC In-Reply-To: <001e01c3b83c$8a618020$95bc9541@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Gerald, It looks like no, at least that's as much as a cyber-foot-in-mouth like myself can determine. http://www.uncg.edu/wua/ gets one to the station's page. http://www.uncg.edu/acm/projects/wuag/ gets one to a project to develop a "streaming audio server" to donate to the station. No audio stream player here at work, so I can't investigate the other link there. All the best, John On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, schwartzgk wrote: > Does WUAG webcast... something for those > of us in the far, coldening north? > > Cheers, > Gerald > > > I'm reading with Kevin Boyle on Thursday, December 4th at 8 pm in the > Faculty > > Center (of UNCG) on College Avenue in Greensboro, North Carolina. Also a > live > > radio thing at 5:30 the same day on WUAG. > > > > If anybody's in the area . . . > > > > John Latta > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:09:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well---rather than belabor a point that i've belabored on this list many many times, perhaps a quick excerpt from a book that i still think is critical to the discussion of lefts and rights in academe, (the late) bill readings's ~the university in ruins~, published way back in 1996 (harvard up)... here's a taste: "It seems to me that the conservative jeremiads are motivated by the fact that their authors feel the emptiness of the cultural power they hold. That is to say, they recognize the powerlessness of the cultural power they hold, and they blame left-wing academics for usurping it. They hold the center, but they know that it is merely a virtual point. The cultural right is not rebelling against its exclusion from the center but against the exclusion *of* the center, its reduction. The 'culture wars' thus arise between those who hold cultural power but fear that it no longer matters and those whose exclusion from that cultural power allows them to believe that such power would matter if only they held it. " The relentless self-marginalization of both sides is a self-blinding, a refusal to recognize that the stakes in the game have changed, that the center actually *does not speak*, that the privileged position of enunciation is not that of the subject who participates in culture...." (pp. 114-15) about all i would add, as a leftist myself (no fringe conduct implied or intended) and as a friendly amendment, is that what's transpired since readings penned those words has to do with the move to the policy level of debate---the one fish is, helpfully i think, trying to motivate academics to attend to... i.e., cultural centers and ideologies the like aside---and they should be aside b/c "cultural power" (as readings tries to illustrate) is not the same thing as political-economic power---we need to Follow The Money... which the right is managing par excellence... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 14:55:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brett Fletcher Lauer Subject: Ashbery, Boland, Phillips, & Wright MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit THE PSA CHAPBOOK READING: Inaugural Chapbook judges read alongside the poets whose manuscripts they selected. JOHN ASHBERY & PAUL KILLEBREW EAVAN BOLAND & TESS TAYLOR CARL PHILLIPS & KERRI WEBSTER C.D. WRIGHT & DAWN LUNDY MARTIN Thursday, December 4th, 7:30pm Tishman Auditorium The New School 66 West 12th Street, between 5th & 6th Avenues New York City Admission is $10 / $8 for Students. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 15:17:48 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: monday poem Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT old poems he argues, beauty is the purpose of all things a condom wrapper behind the travel agency it matters, or does it, the vagaries of words in things that represent instead of are when sustained by need or sustained by lack we are like smoke, changing shape a mortal argument that refuses to heal a simple form emerges, beyond the new the bullet pushing into, & the slow thin finger that fires rob mclennan -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:37:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit many new media arts positions SHOULD include contemporary poetry (right now, most are exclusively prose fiction- and nonfiction-based, and either include theatrical performance only or exclude performance) AND be open to MFAs, even tech / business writing - creative writing positions (as opposed to comp - creative writing) require a PhD in a new specialty -- mixing humanities, business, and technology or science -- yet these don't qualify someone to work in the field or teach students to work in the field as far as de-funding arts in favor of sciences -- technology case: as tech-heavy schools (CalTech is a big bad one) have problems recruiting and retaining (& graduating) female students and faculty, funding these institutions is effectively funding male academics and students The famed Carnegie Mellon "solution" to this problem (which still has not ensured more than 38% female enrollment) was to introduce humanities ("applications") into the sciences and to change recruitment (reduce weighting of quantitative measures required for admission; consider "differently qualified" candidates) -- to get around hazing ("informal mentoring and support networks") by male students and male faculty they found: http://wics.cs.sfu.ca/Articles/Research/CMU-p79-fisher.pdf They found the few women successful in computer science did not have free choice -- job, major, school, or even college at all was a financial or visa status decision made for the women by their families and, through schools' financial aid departments, various private donors and government agencies. I wonder how the figures changed after the tech boom (during it, female enrollment and graduation rates went WAY up) & are changing now. Jane Margolis, who wrote the study & book, is now here in Los Angeles at UCLA -- I met her at Antioch LA when I was teaching there. Margolis, a liberal non-technologist, argues that technologically-adept (and, in general in these fields, more liberal than male students, although not particularly liberal!) women should eschew financially-motivated pursuit of success in computer science to become teachers (of children) and social workers. Your diverse or mine? Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 13:03:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: Leslie Scalapino reading in NYC & Cambridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am going to be giving two readings for my book, Dahlia's Iris--Secret = Autobiography and Fiction (FC2 Press, distributed by Northwestern = University Press: 1-800-621-2736). The first reading is at 7:00 PM on = Friday Dec 5th for the Belladonna Series at Bluestocking, 172 Allen St. = (below Stanton 7 Rivington), reading with Jen Benka and Susan Briante. The second reading is Sat. Dec 6th at 7:00 PM at Wordsworth Book = Store, 30 Brattle St. Hardvard Squarre, reading with Brenda Iijima. Comments on the back of my book: Fanny Howe says, "Dahlia's Iris is = a one-of-a-kind work of genius and aring. It exists in a celestial = sphere of its own making like a comet that only exists by shattering the = invisible warps that are in its path." Leslie Marmon Silko said (which = also is a description of the book): "--an experience like no other I've = had. Using the Tibetan form of Secret Autobiography, the author creates = a sense of simultaneous interior and exterior in compressed spaces of = text, which she calls Pal Mal Comics. Here the compression causes the = war, individuals' interiors (including the novelist's) and the motion of = trees and land to exist at once in a detective novel in futuristic San = Francisco where the hyena Bush skulks with his attorney general, = Robespierre. 'The task of Tibetan Secret Autobiography is to apprehend = that state that is neither the outside not the inside creating the = other, to bring about that instant of seeing which occurs at once when = everything is dependent.' This is what the best novels, the best works = of art do." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:23:51 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patricks, both, and Alan this is a belated message to say just how moved I have been by the openness of your posts on this thread. And also surprised by a strange synchronicity - this afternoon I spent an hour and a half (-'n ower 'n a h-aaf- in my patois!) doing a recorded interview on poetry and mental health for a research student. The interview had been arranged some weeks before so it was a delightful coincidence that the subject should have suddenly appeared here, despite the painful aspects of that subject. All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:03:02 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Kirby Olson wrote: > >> I have found it extremely gratifying to have finally kicked this >> conversation over, and to be getting new perspective. I think >> Kazim's question, as always, is right on the mark. I put it here to >> reacquaint, and then I want to attempt to explore it. >> >> Kazim Ali wrote: >> >> > Can I ask a question? A serious question to which I do >> > not know the answer(s): >> > >> > When English literature was first added to school >> > curricula, it was in the colonial schools in India and >> > its purpose there was a way to culturally trained the >> > comprador middle bureaucratic class (among other >> > things of course). >> > >> > What is the cultural (or other) purpose of our >> > teaching of literature and/or poetry in higher >> > education now? >> > >> >> I didn't know what a comprador is, and I didn't know whether this is >> true. I did imagine India under colonial rule and what place >> Kipling or Tennis Anyone might have had within that schema. There >> had to have been sensitive bureaucrats who were really trying to >> mediate cultures, and not merely impose their own, but they were >> perhaps in the minority. But the point of Kazim's question is >> elsewhere. >> >> I think that the only point of literature at all right now for the >> left is to educate everyone concerning race, gender, and class. I >> honestly don't think the last category matters any longer, and >> slowly it seems the second category is also fading. In a democracy, >> Aristotle points out in the Politics, those who are victims will >> always receive the majority of funding. And so a lot of what seems >> to be going on is positioning oneself and one's group as >> victimized. Anyone who isn't doing this is not going to get a >> position. There are about 750 applicants for any of the better >> positions. And if you are going to get one of those positions, the >> ruling and hegemonic discourse is race. We might as well face this. > > > Aldon Nielsen mentioned that he had gotten a job to teach contemporary > poetry. I looked him up in Amazon.com, and all his books have race in > their title. "Reading Race," "Black Chant," "White Poetry and the > Race Question" (the last title may not be exact, as I just looked at > it quickly). This is to say that while this is a worthy discourse, it > is also the imperial discourse, the hegemonic, and really finally, the > only discourse that is permissible. > > Unfortunately, I am not interested in this discourse. Having heard it > for the last twenty five years and slowly to the exclusion of all > else, I feel that it is something like a bad marriage where partners > bring up every last memory of hurt, and never move on. But, to answer > Kazim's question partially, I think that this is what a great many > people think that literature should do. It should heal the racial > divides in America by relentlessly focussing upon them. > > However, poetry does this less well than prose because all kinds of > things get in the way of the politicization involved. Such as the > difficulty of poetry. The form of the social realist novel has more > efficacity. > > And I think that this is one reason that poetry is slowly being pushed > out of the academy as a scholarly subject. You have to justify > yourself now as somehow helping to heal the racial divides. While I > don't think that poetry can do this (while humor might be able to do > it better -- and studies of humor and black and white and so on > humorists might be able to do it -- we are still stuck with the > Arnoldian ideal of high seriousness in academia, and this undercurrent > means that while there are still a few hires every year -- perhaps as > many as five in any given year over the last twenty years -- most of > the candidates will be hired to teach explicitly ethnic literature -- > which is almost never a set-aside for poetry as such). > > My concern is that this focus on ethnicity will slowly Bosnify > America. That is, peeople will think of themselves as a smouldering > ember of their ethnic enclave, alive with all their resentments and > passions, and belittlements over time. And to my memory this is what > happened in Yugoslavia -- I met a well-educated hotel owner from > Croatia who told me that the Bosnian Muslims deserved what they got > because of something they had done 800 years ago (move in). > > America is a chance to leave behind these age-old resentments and > start anew. where people can be themselves (ha ha) and pursue > happiness. > > Because finally the past is the past. > > So what I would like to propose is that the real subject of poetry > (its efficacity) should be based on what it does for the polis. This > is Olson's criterion. I think he's a mess, but I accept his > criterion. William Carlos Williams was interested in this, too. > Reznikoff. Zukofsky. Even the Beats. I think that Marianne moore > was, too. Maybe all of our better poets have seen that as their > interest? > > Of course there are many other criteria, but one healthy thread that > took place perhaps six months ago was Places to Live. In what ways > can poetry do something for the community in such a way that the folks > in Dimebox, Washington can say, hey, I'm glad I paid for that? > > One way is through the growth of local poetries along Olson's lines. > As mysterious as some of his poetry is, it is a rallying point for > Gloucester's citizens, and for the idea of preservation. It links to > place. So I was going to start another contest -- this time about > place. A few rules -- the poem can have any form -- but it should be > based on direct experience -- and should describe a place -- but also > perhaps suggest a change or else a criticism -- it should in other > words observe, analyze, and correct -- as an ideal. Let's keep them > short -- say, one to fifteen lines (I find it difficult to read any > poem longer than that in cyberspace). > > Let's keep it open until Christmas break begins on December 13th -- > two weeks is short enough perhaps. Everybody can then vote either > front channel or back channel to me, but you can't vote for yourself. > You can put in an older poem, or a new poem, but no more than two > poems. I will put in one of my poems that I think sets a reasonably > low standard, so that others will be inspired to top it. While I didn't answer Kazim's question, maybe I opened an answer? Poetry as an adjunct of urbanism -- delighting in or criticizing clover leaf highway patterns, fences, a night's rest in a given hotel, and so on. A tree, a park, a cliff site. A neighborhood. At any rate Kazim seems to like things to remain open-ended and inventive -- and I wouldn't want to provide too fast a closure for his question even if it was within my limited capacity. -- Kirby > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:49:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's odd that this topic always comes up in a negative context even if it's worded as mental "health" most people seem fascinatedwith the connection of poetry to mental 'illness' and suicide. Mental health poetry is usually relegated to Hallmark and craft verse? I know from my own recent experiences, for example, that thinking of writing a poem and writing a poem are (were) signs of recovery from mental illness? tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:04:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carolyn Ostrander Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too, want to thank those who have discussed the topic so openly. In the '70s, I lived with a poet who, long after we were together, was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. I have nothing to add to the discussion because it was not my internal experience; but this thread has been very helpful in processing that experience, and in reflecting on what I observed. clo Carolyn Ostrander "david.bircumshaw" wrote: > Patricks, both, and Alan > > this is a belated message to say just how moved I have been by the openness > of your posts on this thread. And also surprised by a strange > synchronicity - this afternoon I spent an hour and a half (-'n ower 'n a > h-aaf- in my patois!) doing a recorded interview on poetry and mental health > for a research student. The interview had been arranged some weeks before so > it was a delightful coincidence that the subject should have suddenly > appeared here, despite the painful aspects of that subject. > > All the Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:59:34 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: creativity & mental health MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It was interesting, Tom, that when I was being interviewed today I had to make a conscious effort to mention some of the 'negative' side not because I don't count it as important but rather that there was so much to say about the 'positives' the dark side was for once being left behind, much, no doubt, to its chagrin. But really I could have spoke for twice as long and still only touched the surface of the matter. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:49 PM Subject: Re: creativity & mental health It's odd that this topic always comes up in a negative context even if it's worded as mental "health" most people seem fascinatedwith the connection of poetry to mental 'illness' and suicide. Mental health poetry is usually relegated to Hallmark and craft verse? I know from my own recent experiences, for example, that thinking of writing a poem and writing a poem are (were) signs of recovery from mental illness? tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:05:03 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Myths About Intelligence; How Liars Are Created For Public Places Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An AIDS Concert With A Twist: Half The Receipts To Go To Hunt Down Scientists Who Created The AIDS Virus And The Intelligence Agencies And Governments Who Spread It: U.S. Vehemently Opposed To The Plan by Jeffey Lube The Assassinated Press Myths About Intelligence; How Liars Are Created For Public Places Or The Fabrication Of Fabricators by Steward A. Koan The Assassinated Press Bush: "WHERE THE FUCK AM I?": Faux President Is Dropped In on Troops: Bush Kidnapped, Flown To Iraq As Thanksgiving Day Mashpotainment: U.S. Intelligence Tips Hand; Iraqis Refuse To Take The Bait: Halliburton Brand Horse Piss Energy Drink Big Hit At Celebration by Ken Gno Fireass The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 21:05:59 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Myths About Intelligence; How Liars Are Created For Public Places Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press An AIDS Concert With A Twist: Half The Receipts To Go To Hunt Down Scientists Who Created The AIDS Virus And The Intelligence Agencies And Governments Who Spread It: U.S. Vehemently Opposed To The Plan by Jeffey Lube The Assassinated Press Myths About Intelligence; How Liars Are Created For Public Places Or The Fabrication Of Fabricators by Steward A. Koan The Assassinated Press Bush: "WHERE THE FUCK AM I?": Faux President Is Dropped In on Troops: Bush Kidnapped, Flown To Iraq As Thanksgiving Day Mashpotainment: U.S. Intelligence Tips Hand; Iraqis Refuse To Take The Bait: Halliburton Brand Horse Piss Energy Drink Big Hit At Celebration by Ken Gno Fireass The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:19:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog -- BloggerForum Top Ten Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net In-Reply-To: <000001c3b808$6e19f570$a074ed41@Dell> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Armand Schwerner's Tablets - >The idea of the long poem as fake >(Turning the sock puppet inside out) > > >http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ The pantoum Ron quotes on the blog is in Selected Shorter Poems (Junction Press: 1999, 142 pages), which is available from yours truly. Cover price is US$16 ($13 for list members) plus postage. It gathers poems from his difficult-to-find books, as well as about a dozen poems never collected before. Armand made the initial selection and allowed some additions and subtractions at my request. We finished it a few months before his death. Many of the poems are, in their very different way, as wonderful as the best of The Tablets. The translations of Dante (he completed 12 cantos of the Inferno) with incredibly generous notes, not only on Dante's text but on his translation process, was published by Talisman in 2000, cover price $13.95. It's brilliant. I don't know if it's still available but my guess is that it is. I'm editing a posthumous volume, containing unpublished poems from all periods in his career (about 150 pages) for publication in 2004 or 2005. Armand was one of the small handful of US poets of his generation that I think should be required reading. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:29:11 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Hangman Duplicators Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ye patience gizmo thou my empty flame cream this book, lady, stain the tree, here comes this merriment green with ease its honors pale your footsteps to the spike small dishes, superstitious throats, sing English flesh reshuffles split / durable worst case a stunned teat gone byzantine linen flag a mantle eaten up by facts aural extravert -- pardon me, I meant CHAMOIS SPIFFY -- stirs in jolts at a punishing pace, cloudy & hateful are the hangman duplicators / the breath in this case flush with the fluid Henry, Maximus, Virginia, & Robinson, drop your heels & bury the bridge, price it bodily lawful, incongruity stretched else believed shabby you are doubtless amazed, patience gizmo, at R.H. Raven Toes herself posted up on trees that yap & spurt so scientifictional! her clarity unpleasant and fidgety her clarity squared to clasp the view of public coats with private sleeves this book to warn you or suit you its eyes a method of public spirit & its title sauciness at your leisure looks maybe its spine chiefly broken balance skinning with sunlight, its remote fortune could be tears dashed scales drawled us together and paled our footsteps to the spike _________________________________________________________________ Groove on the latest from the hot new rock groups! Get downloads, videos, and more here. http://special.msn.com/entertainment/wiredformusic.armx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:49:05 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Questions Simple Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi, folks. I'm doing some straight up answer mongering but I'm using very simple questions to garner some very complex answers. I'm helping some of the students I work with in understanding the roles and tasks of poetry in a less than conventional light. By asking for responses I show them that there is an amalgam of taste that abounds and that the mainstream workshop ethic is no longer, or should not be the mainstay. So here goes, please take these questions in any direction, and please feel free to pick apart! 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? Like I said, very simple. But if you could somehow complicate matters for the benefit of my students, that would be much, er, fun. Thanks very much. Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:14:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING FOR THE HOLIDAYS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Everyone, especially the best makers of the SHORT GROUP POEM, I = posted the "completed" poem to the list on Nov 29 at 2.08PM. I had the = idea of keeping it to a 24 hour task. Apologies to those, for time zone = reasons and otherwise, whose lines arrived after I posted. I'm hoping to = do another small project with this. I hope you also find further use for your lines = as I certainly did not exhaust them. With every good wish to you, Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> mbyrne@RISD.EDU 11/29/03 14:08 PM >>> SHORT GROUP POEM ON CRYING 11/28/03 10.52AM - 11/29/03 7.25AM Reply to=20 >>> parkfam@FREEDOMNW breath stopped chest pressed loss Reply to Sender >>> hrike55@HOTMAIL nerves humming urging Reply to Sender >>> shannacompton@EARTHLINK Ears like soft tacos, tears for=20 >>>walterblue@EARTHLINK Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Mairead: Are you ok? Reply to >>> jason_c@TELUS "^v^v^v ununununununun hyuwh hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuh, = mercedes huuuuuuuuuuh bwahhhhhhhh huh huh hw " =20 Reply to >>> terra1@SONIC Reply to Reply to >>> jason_c@TELUS >>> dtv@MWT " , hyuwh, hw hw hw hw huuuuuuuuuuuh hw hw hw hw." Reply to >>> schwartzgk@MSN by eyes tight=20 Reply to >>> trbell@COMCAST I Reply to >>> halvard@EARTHLINK no light after dark. Reply to Reply to =20 >>> hpmint@VERIZON >>> steph484@PACBELL cry me, a little, cry me, a olsonjk@delhi Reply to >>> Are you ok. I hope you are =20 ok. People get depressed at holidays. I'm =20 just saying I hope you're ok. =20 Reply to>>> olsonjk@DELHI.EDU I cry =20 Reply to >>> hpmint@VERIZON trampling the=20 Reply to >>> gmcvay@PATRIOT Trembling at the Reply to >>> katmia@HOTMAI= L my red my winced eyes=20 Reply to >>> walterblue@EARTHLINK Reply to >>> junction@EARTHLINK Cheeks dry, but a=20 Reply to >>> mldeed1@JUNO lost child=20 Reply to >>> sondheim@PANIX=20 Reply to >>> furniture_press@GRAFFITI cries Reply to >>>mbyrne@risd Reply to >>> pdurgin@BUFFALO That is, when I can do more than writhe = in bed sobbing With every good wish =20 Mair=E9ad=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:34:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: Questions Simple Comments: cc: Daniel Zimmerman MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, Chris. Because I appreciate your questions, I'll venture a few impressions between grading mountains of essays. I hope they help. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "furniture_ press" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Questions Simple > Hi, folks. > > I'm doing some straight up answer mongering but I'm using very simple questions to garner some very complex answers. I'm helping some of the students I work with in understanding the roles and tasks of poetry in a less than conventional light. By asking for responses I show them that there is an amalgam of taste that abounds and that the mainstream workshop ethic is no longer, or should not be the mainstay. > > So here goes, please take these questions in any direction, and please feel free to pick apart! > > 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? In my own practice, poetry discovers what I haven't previously communicated, even to myself; thus, I suppose poetry communicates to me. If it communicates to others, so much the better, but I take no responsibility for what it communicates. I only aver that it has communicated something sufficiently fresh to me that I will sign my name to it and trust its efficacy. > 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? Pardon the scholarly hedging, but I think that poetry can offer the opportunity to negotiate meaning(s). Unlike the early Wittgenstein, I doubt that one can communicate meanings; I'd rather trust Carl Rogers' emphasis on reciprocal paraphrase (Spicer's After Lorca an extreme and extremely satisfying example). Poetry invites and, now and then, inspires actions. > > 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? Sartre's phrase strikes me as, frankly, intolerably condescending. Does the writer 'liberate'? Perhaps, but who knows when or whom? I feel an ethical responsibility to the poem, because as it occurs, I come increasingly to know it, to serve its urgencies and accuracies. I've known only a few readers who have any idea of my work's tenor, and rather than pandering to their ethical compunctions, I trust their sensibilities and perceptions. > 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? As in: "assume the position, punk"? Take them where? The practice of poetry has helped me to discover positions I never suspected existed, but which I've found it apt to consider--even to assume; as Archimedes said: "give me a lever and a place to stand, and I will move the world." > Like I said, very simple. But if you could somehow complicate matters for the benefit of my students, that would be much, er, fun. > > Thanks very much. > > Chris > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:35:21 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Elrick Subject: Susan Clark and Lorraine Graham in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SEGUE READING SERIES AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ 308 Bowery, just North of Houston Saturdays at 4pm sharp December 6 --SUSAN CLARK and LORRAINE GRAHAM Susan Clark is the editor of Raddle Moon with contributing editors Nicole Brossard, Norma Cole, Erin Moure and Lisa Robertson, and scout, Catriona Strang. She is the author of: Believing in the World: a reference work (Vancouver: Tsunami Editions, 1987); Suck Glow (Leech Books, Vancouver, forthcoming); Mutability Lyrics (chapbook ms.); Theatre of the New World of the Time (book ms.); Tied to a post: an essay in abstraction; and Bad Infinity. She has made installations, a video collaboration, and a number of handmade book/installation pieces. She works in Vancouver and electronically as a book editor, copy editor, indexer and typesetter. Lorraine Graham edits Anomaly, a magazine of innovative poetry and poetics with a focus on writers in greater Washington, DC. Her poetry and book reviews have appeared or are forthcoming in The Poker, Primary Writing, the Tangent, So to Speak: a Feminist Journal of Language and Art, the Review of Contemporary Fiction, and elsewhere. A pamphlet, Dear [Blank] I Believe in Other Worlds, is forthcoming from Phylum Press. $5 admission goes to support the readers Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:48:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: happy birthday milord b. (with apologies to thomas hood) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SIR GEORGE BOWRING To Bowring, man of many tongues, (All over tongues like rumour) This little birthday poem belongs To limn his learned humour; All kinds of trash he talks, I wis, Although he isn't single; As cunning as a parrot is But far more Polly-lingual. ---------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Loden Operated by a crank. http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/hotel.html rloden@concentric.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:01:41 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Todd Swift Subject: December poetry from Nthposition MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nthposition presents its 13 Poets of the Holiday Season... Five untitled poems by Dragica Toric-Drenovac Bombs & A by Heather Taylor Anxiety & A Boys' Own, with Queen by John Barton Toss the bouquet and run by Penn Kemp Address book, Mixed tapes & The phone never rang by Steven Heighton Humphrey, Some words, The picnic tree & Since she turned remote by John = G Hall Soft folds by Dawn Andrews Sandwich farmer & by invitation only by Conor Aylward Terzanelle for a killing & Tongs by Nigel McLoughlin Inspiration strikes by Peter Middleton The orientalist, Quietus, Shore leave, Vigil, Golden orioles & Dome by = Ranjit Hoskote trust he sd 2 me, th system is nervus & deth interrupts th dansing by = bill bissett Sonata by Alison Croggon *** Now reading for February 2004. Coming in January: poems by Stephanie Bolster, Gary Glazner, Raymond = Filip, Mike Golden, Francis Raven, Dee Rimbaud, Harriet Zinnes, as well = as poems in translation, from Croatia, and Hungary. Please forward to interested parties. And excuse us for cross-posting. Best wishes for the holidays, and the new year! Todd ------------------------- email from Todd Swift poetry editor - www.nthposition.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:07:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: Questions Simple MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris: In response to Questions Simple: I've but an elusive idea as to what is meant by "mainstream workshop = ethic." Does it refer to the off-the-top commentaries of creative = writing undergraduates barely informed about poetry? Does it refer to = normative notions about poetry's possibilities restrictively offered by = teachers? Is this so-called "ethic" the insistent pedagogical outcome = determined by the use of certain stylebooks, manuals and anthologies = destined to establish "rules" of craft and intention? Is it some AWP = mantra? The canon cum worksheet? Isn't poetry all of the below -- communication, signification, idea = giver, action maker, source of consciousness, positioner? Likely, at any = point it is none of this or much more, both charted and beyond. The = ethical question is, rather concretely and often complexly, the constant = of many of the listserv's conversations. JL -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group on behalf of furniture_ press Sent: Mon 12/1/2003 9:49 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: Questions Simple Hi, folks. I'm doing some straight up answer mongering but I'm using very simple = questions to garner some very complex answers. I'm helping some of the = students I work with in understanding the roles and tasks of poetry in a = less than conventional light. By asking for responses I show them that = there is an amalgam of taste that abounds and that the mainstream = workshop ethic is no longer, or should not be the mainstay. So here goes, please take these questions in any direction, and please = feel free to pick apart! 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not = communicate and how? 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry = a communicator of ideas? actions? 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does = this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? Like I said, very simple. But if you could somehow complicate matters = for the benefit of my students, that would be much, er, fun. Thanks very much. Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for = just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:36:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Bob Perelman Talk at Wayne State Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Talk/Reading/Discussion BOB PERELMAN / University of Pennsylvania Author of Ten to One (Wesleyan), The Future of Memory, and Playing Bodies (with Francie Shaw) THE NEW AND ITS REPRODUCTIVE PRACTICES: INNOVATIVE WRITING IN THE ACADEMY Friday, December 5, 3 PM Room 3234, 51 West Warren Wayne State University / Free admission ***** On Bob Perelman: A "witty analyst of the language writing movement," and Professor at the University of Pennsylvania, Bob Perelman is one of its most prominent poet/critics. He was, as well, immortalized as an example of the postmodern condition in Fredric Jameson's essay "Postmodernism; or, The Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism"--and has lived with the notoriety ever since. John Ashbery has written of his work: "Most poets define poetry by creating it. Bob Perelman creates it by defining it, and is thus one step ahead of all poets under the sun, one step closer to colliding with Zeno's vanishing point, to merging coyote with road runner, to winning the hand." Perelman is author of thirteen books of poetry, including a selected poems, One to Ten (Wesleyan), The Future of Memory (Roof Books), Seven Works (The Figures), and Primer (This). His most recent work, Playing Bodies (Granary Press) is a collaboration with the artist Francie Shaw. His critical writings include The Marginalization of Poetry (Princeton) and The Trouble with Genius: Reading Pound, Joyce, Stein, and Zukofsky (California). ***** Organized by Barrett Watten and Carla Harryman; sponsored by an Innovative Projects Grant, WSU Humanities Center, and the YMCA Writers Voice. For more info contact Carla Harryman at c.harryman@wayne.edu / 313-577-4988. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:56 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Read New Additions to litVeRT poetry site... issue #9! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit New Additions to the litVeRT poetry site: [http://www.litvert.com] Poetry by-- Brandon Downing, Rodney Koeneke, Leonard Schwartz, Javier Alvarez, Andrew Goldfarb, Mary Burger, Bob BrueckL, David Harrison Horton, David Bircumshaw, James Meetze, Trevor Calvert, Brooke Nelson, Brooks Johnson, Sueyeun Juliette Lee, Sara Veglahn, Eric Baus, Noah Eli Gordon, Ian Randall Wilson, William Allegrezza, Anthony Robinson, Mario de Sa-Carneiro, PH.D, Nicole Walker, Jenna Cardinale, Jay Thomas, Jane Sprague, Joshua Edwards ... Essays/Reviews: Interview with Kent Johnson conducted by Rodrigo Garcia Lopes, Editor, Coyote Magazine, Brazil The Bad Essay: Andrew Felsinger, Jono Schneider, Claire Barbetti, Aaron Belz, K. Silem Mohammad Stephanie Young: Biased Cub Report From Oakland On The New Brutalism And Poetry Blogging Stephen Vincent: Oakland? A Very Short Memoir Time Shuts Out Eternity: Anastasios Kozaitis Replies to The Miseries of Poetry by Alexandra Papaditsas & Kent Johnson Rebecca Gopoian Reviews: hinge: a BOAS anthology. 2002 Kevin Fitzgerald Reviews: "...But I Could Not Speak...", by Jono Schneider ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:30:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Re: Read New Additions to litVeRT poetry site... issue #9! In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Oh... late additions-- Impressions of the San Francisco Mayoral Race [http://www.litvert.com/issue9.html] by Stephen Vincent & Chris Stroffolino > From: Andrew Felsinger > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 22:03:56 -0800 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Read New Additions to litVeRT poetry site... issue #9! > > New Additions to the litVeRT poetry site: [http://www.litvert.com] > > Poetry by-- > > Brandon Downing, Rodney Koeneke, Leonard Schwartz, Javier Alvarez, Andrew > Goldfarb, Mary Burger, Bob BrueckL, David Harrison Horton, David Bircumshaw, > James Meetze, Trevor Calvert, Brooke Nelson, Brooks Johnson, Sueyeun > Juliette Lee, Sara Veglahn, Eric Baus, Noah Eli Gordon, Ian Randall Wilson, > William Allegrezza, Anthony Robinson, Mario de Sa-Carneiro, PH.D, Nicole > Walker, Jenna Cardinale, Jay Thomas, Jane Sprague, Joshua Edwards ... > > Essays/Reviews: > > Interview with Kent Johnson conducted by Rodrigo Garcia Lopes, Editor, > Coyote Magazine, Brazil > > The Bad Essay: Andrew Felsinger, Jono Schneider, Claire Barbetti, Aaron > Belz, K. Silem Mohammad > > Stephanie Young: Biased Cub Report From Oakland On The New Brutalism And > Poetry Blogging > > Stephen Vincent: Oakland? A Very Short Memoir > > Time Shuts Out Eternity: Anastasios Kozaitis Replies to The Miseries of > Poetry by Alexandra Papaditsas & Kent Johnson > > Rebecca Gopoian Reviews: hinge: a BOAS anthology. 2002 > > Kevin Fitzgerald Reviews: "...But I Could Not Speak...", by Jono Schneider ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:54:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 1 121 1 Oxford University Press, 1897 1 299 1 CHAPTER 18 1 335 1 1 1 356 1 by which it diminishes 1 1865 1 9 2 2522 1 energetic-curing, some the all-curing 2 2472 1 CHAPTER 19 2 2938 1 1 2 2959 1 6 5 4295 1 11 3 5221 1 15 3 5623 1 15 4 6089 1 districts as a bird does com 4 6590 1 17 4 6851 1 water-creatures cast their young 4 6989 1 chapter(baba) 4 7108 1 21 4 7757 1 26 5 8401 1 51 5 9541 1 33 6 10026 1 decay and pain from men 6 10814 1 CHAPTER 20 6 11185 1 1 6 11206 1 7 7 12945 1 6 7 13797 1 54 9 CHAPTER 21 9 17765 1 1 9 17784 1 growth are both one 10 18867 1 6 10 19995 1 CHAPTER 22 11 20283 1 1 11 20304 1 Lake Sataves, Lake Urvis 11 20657 1 CHAPTER 25 12 22465 1 1 12 22486 1 other species of degeneracy 12 22779 1 ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 23:29:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffre Jullic Subject: CREELEY QUESTION: "For Hannah's Fourteenth Birthday" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know in which of Robert Creeley's books, if any, his poem "For Hannah's Fourteenth Birthday" appears (beginning with the line "What's heart to say")? I'm not finding it in his ~Collected,~ ~So There,~ or ~Just in Time.~ (The poem appears on the 2000 Jagjaguwar audio CD, ~Robert Creeley.~) Much appreciated. Jeffre __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:51:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: CREELEY QUESTION: "For Hannah's Fourteenth Birthday" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi jeffre the poem appears in _If I Were Writing This_, Creeley's hardcover from new directions on page 24. What's heart to say as days pass, what's a mind to know after all? What's it mean to be wise or right, if time's still insistent master? But if you doubt the track, still don't look back. Let the love you bring find its fellow. Girl to young woman, world's well begun. All comes true just for you. Trust heart's faith wherever it goes. It still knows you follow. cheers, jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffre Jullic" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:29 AM Subject: CREELEY QUESTION: "For Hannah's Fourteenth Birthday" > Does anyone know in which of Robert Creeley's books, > if any, his poem "For Hannah's Fourteenth Birthday" > appears (beginning with the line "What's heart to > say")? > > I'm not finding it in his ~Collected,~ ~So There,~ or > ~Just in Time.~ > > (The poem appears on the 2000 Jagjaguwar audio CD, > ~Robert Creeley.~) > > Much appreciated. > > Jeffre > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 01:00:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: AUTOMOTIVE TAPEWORM HERMETICITY Comments: To: regurgitation , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AUTOMOTIVE TAPEWORM HERMETICITY USA COLLEGE FUCK FEST #0000001: Ltd. one or more of the connecticut state. 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FIVE UNTITLED POEMS BY DRAGICA TORIC-DRENOVAC BOMBS & A BY HEATHER TAYLOR ANXIETY & A BOYS' OWN, WITH QUEEN BY JOHN BARTON TOSS THE BOUQUET AND RUN BY PENN KEMP ADDRESS BOOK, MIXED TAPES & THE PHONE NEVER RANG BY STEVEN HEIGHTON HUMPHREY, SOME WORDS, THE PICNIC TREE & SINCE SHE TURNED REMOTE BY = JOHN G HALL SOFT FOLDS BY DAWN ANDREWS SANDWICH FARMER & BY INVITATION ONLY BY CONOR AYLWARD TERZANELLE FOR A KILLING & TONGS BY NIGEL MCLOUGHLIN INSPIRATION STRIKES BY PETER MIDDLETON THE ORIENTALIST, QUIETUS, SHORE LEAVE, VIGIL, GOLDEN ORIOLES & DOME = BY RANJIT HOSKOTE TRUST HE SD 2 ME, TH SYSTEM IS NERVUS & DETH INTERRUPTS TH DANSING = BY BILL BISSETT SONATA BY ALISON CROGGON =20 *** NOW READING FOR FEBRUARY 2004. WOULD BE DELIGHTED TO SEE YOUR NEW WORK. COMING IN JANUARY: POEMS BY STEPHANIE BOLSTER, GARY GLAZNER, RAYMOND = FILIP, MIKE GOLDEN, FRANCIS RAVEN, DEE RIMBAUD, HARRIET ZINNES, AS WELL = AS POEMS IN TRANSLATION, FROM CROATIA, AND HUNGARY. =20 PLEASE FORWARD TO INTERESTED PARTIES. AND EXCUSE US FOR CROSS-POSTING. =20 BEST WISHES FOR THE HOLIDAYS, AND THE NEW YEAR! =20 TODD =20 poetry editor - www.nthposition.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:23:00 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: forwarded from PEN TRANSLATION COMMITTEE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Godless Sufism: An Evening of Modern Turkish Poetry Celebrating the release of the long-awaited volume on Turkish poetry in the 20th century-featuring Talisman House founder ED FOSTER, poets MURAT NEMET-NEJAT and MUSTAFA ZIYALAN and critic ZEYNEP SAYIN. Necessary Translations: Godless Sufism: An Evening of Modern Turkish Poetry December 9 (Tue) 7pm $10 Guest Curator: Esther Allen, translator and Chair of the PEN Translation Committee NEW YORK, NY-For its grand finale, the three-part NECESSARY TRANSLATIONS series celebrates the forthcoming release of Talisman House's encyclopedic compilation of 20th century Turkish poetry, Eda: An Anthology of Contemporary Turkish Poetry, with an evening of readings from Turkish writers, past and present.=A0Anthology editor, poet and translator Murat Nemet-Nejat (A Blind Cat Black; I, Orhan Veli) will be joined by Talisman House Founder Ed Foster, Mustafa Ziyalan (Impromptu, Night Ride on 21), and=20 critic Zeynep Sayin. Unfortunately, due to the US government's recent cancellation of all visas=20 for Turks coming to the United States, K=FC=E7=FCk Iskender (Souljam, We Wer= e Handsome=20 Soulful Children; West Side Story), one of Turkey's most celebrated living=20 poets, who was to have been one of the evening's featured writers, will not=20= be=20 able to participate. The poetic activity that swept through Turkey in the 20th century marks one of the most exciting - though least known - moments in world literature. With the collapse of the Ottoman Empire in 1923, followed by the establishment of the Turkish Republic under Mustafa Kemal (better known as Atat=FCrk), a vast array of modern literary forms opened up.=A0 Whether in defiance of the official secularization of the country, or to create a uniquely Turkish national idiom, writers turned to Sufi mystical poetry of the 13th-16th centuries as a source of inspiration, alongside a newly emerging cosmopolitan, secular literature.=A0 It is this hybrid voice that a= ll the writers included in the anthology share, and that is spotlighted this evening. Biographies: Poet, essayist, and translator Murat Nemet-Nejat was born in Istanbul, Turkey, and has lived in the United States since 1959. His books include The Peripheral Space of Photography (Green Integers, 2003) and Diaspora: Homelands in Exile (HarperCollins, 2003).=A0 He has translated the works of Turkish poets Orhan Veli (I, Orhan Veli, Hanging Loose Press, 1989) and Ece Ayhan (A Blind Cat Black, Sun and Moon Press, 1997).=A0 His most recent poem= s have been featured in Mirage and Kenning. Mustafa Ziyalan was born in 1959 in the Turkish province of Zonguldak. His education was done in the German Lycee in Istanbul. He then studied medicine and psychiatry both in Turkey and the United States. Hr lives now in the United States as a psychiatrist specializing in schizophrenia. He is both a poet and a translator (specifically of German poetry), including the works of B. Brecht, P. Celan, P. Auster, C.C. Cummmings, A. Ahmatova, T. Adorno, I. Bachman. He is know for his laconic poetry creating a vertical movement in language full of suggestions. His books of poems include: The Nigger of New York (Istanbul, 1999) and Between Yesterday and Tomorrow (Istanbul,=20 1990). Zeynep Sayin is a professor in the German Department of Istanbul University.= =20 She has also been associated with the University of Karlsruhe and is disting= u ished for her work on critical theory and Turkish culture. Her most recent w= ork=20 is The Pornography of the Image (Metis, 2003) comparing similarities between= =20 the visual languages of Byzantine icons and Anatolian script writing. Edward Foster is a poet and critic, the author most recently of Mahrem: Things Men Should Do for Men and co-editor of a volume of essays on avant-garde American poetry, The World in Time and Space. His selected works are being published this fall in a Russian translation. He is the founding editor of the journal Talisman and Talisman House Publishers. He directs the programs in the humanities and social sciences at the Stevens Institute of Technology. The Kitchen is located at 512 West 19th Street (between 10th & 11th Avenues). For tickets, call the Box Office at 212-255-5793, ext 11.=A0 For press comps, call 212-255-5793, ext 14. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:25:11 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Fwd: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_1ca.153d9178.2cfdecb7_boundary" --part1_1ca.153d9178.2cfdecb7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en You Are Cordially Invited to Participate in A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry Symposium=C2=A0 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 =E2=80=A2 Admission: free 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, 6th and River Streets,= =20 Hoboken, New Jersey To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF=C2=A0 CONTEMPORARY TURKISH P= OETRY,=20 edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. =E2=80=A2 A discussion of, and readings from, t= he works=20 of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. k=C3=BC=C3=A7=C3=BCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Zeynep Sayin, critic Mustafa Ziyalan, poet READING 7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 =E2=80=A2 Admission: $10 The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street (between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues), New=20 York City The poetic activity that swept Turkey through the 20th century into the 21st= =20 marks one of the most exciting moments in world literature. =E2=80=A2 Readin= gs in=20 Turkish and English translations. k=C3=BC=C3=A7=C3=BCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Mustafa Ziyalan, poet Edward Foster, poet and editor --part1_1ca.153d9178.2cfdecb7_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part2_1ca.153d9178.2cf2d09f_boundary" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/20/03 8:54:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, MuratNN writes= : > Send me the message you prepared. I'll send it to my mail-list. >=20 You Are Cordially Invited to Participate in A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry Symposium =20 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 =E2=80=A2 Admission: free 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, 6th and River Streets,= =20 Hoboken, New Jersey To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF CONTEMPORARY TURKISH POETRY= ,=20 edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. =E2=80=A2 A discussion of, and readings from, t= he works=20 of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. k=C3=BC=C3=A7=C3=BCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Zeynep Sayin, critic Mustafa Ziyalan, poet READING 7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 =E2=80=A2 Admission: $10 The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street (between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues), New=20 York City The poetic activity that swept Turkey through the 20th century into the 21st= =20 marks one of the most exciting moments in world literature. =E2=80=A2 Readin= gs in=20 Turkish and English translations. k=C3=BC=C3=A7=C3=BCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Mustafa Ziyalan, poet Edward Foster, poet and editor --part1_1ca.153d9178.2cfdecb7_boundary-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:24:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: Success" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: Success "A successful man is one who makes more money than a wife can spend. A successful woman is one who can find such a man." --Lana Turner A successful man is one who finds a wife who can live on less money than he makes. A successful woman is one who can avoid being ensnared by such a man. A man who successfully weds such a woman is one who most successful women go out of their way not to meet or to date or to even hang out with. A woman who spends more than her husband can make is one whom I'd love to meet as long she spends much of it on me and that husband is not I. A man who succeeds in wedding such a woman is a man who weds pleasure and torment at the very same moment. A woman whose husband cannot support her is one whom we nowadays call an average woman. A man whose wife cannot support him is truly in deep kimchi when he cannot support even himself, not to mention those kids they both forgot to have. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 05:33:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: rebecca stoddard Subject: caples, donahue, joron to read thursday night-SF MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii GearySt. Reading Series Thursday Dec. 4th 7pm Café Melroy 835 Geary St. $3 Readers: Garrett Caples Joseph Donahue Andrew Joron for questions/directions contact: gearystpoets@yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:20:27 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: No Subject In-Reply-To: <1ca.153d9178.2cfdecb7@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Murat: Are any of these translations on the web? On Tuesday, December 2, 2003, at 05:25 AM, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > You Are Cordially Invited to Participate in > A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry > > Symposium=A0 > 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 =95 Admission: free > 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, 6th and River=20 > Streets, > Hoboken, New Jersey > To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF=A0 CONTEMPORARY = TURKISH=20 > POETRY, > edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. =95 A discussion of, and readings from, = the=20 > works > of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. > > k=FC=E7=FCk Iskender, poet > > Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator > > Zeynep Sayin, critic > > Mustafa Ziyalan, poet > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:24:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: FW: [my-mission-artists-mailinglist] - Update: "My mission" and the ongoing call MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Le Musee di-visioniste [mailto:nc-agricowi@netcologne.de]=20 Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:43 PM To: cadaly@pacbell.net Subject: [my-mission-artists-mailinglist] - Update: "My mission" and the ongoing call =20 [my-mission-artists-mailinglist] ---> "My Mission" The ongoing collection of textual self-representations in form of artistic statements ----> as part of "{self}_representation 2003" - the new show on Le Musee di-visioniste www.le-musee-divisioniste.org or www.le-musee-divisioniste.org/start1.htm=20 ------> launched on 30 september 2003 These are the latest additions of artists statements: ------> Pino Boresta, Dizzy, Aikaterini Gegisian, Jeremy Newman, Carole Loeffler, Michael Haskett, Ida Dominici, kosmoagonia, Alberto Frigo , Heather J. Tait, Miss C Johnston, Nitin Shroffs, Shaukat Khan, Ann Tracy, Luna Nera, Clemente Padin, Nigel Petherick They form the basis of "My Mission": --------> Daniel Young, David Crawford, Cendres Lavy Gita Hashemi, Barry Smylie, Sergeij Jakovlev Igor Ulanovsky, Rene Joseph, Mr. Robert Montini Robin Miller, Eva Lewarne, Eric Van Hove Jorn Ebner, Dr. Hugo, Wendy Lu Richard Ellis, Harriet Jameson Pellizzari, RAnders Xavier Malbreil, Graham Thompson, =C1lvaro Ard=E9vol Lisa Ndejuru , Cezar L=E3z=E3rescu, Julie Andreyev Carla Della Beffa, Catherine Daly, Xavier Pehuet, Kristin Calabrese, Solveig Kjok Michael Crane, Ricardo Miranda Zu=F1iga, Blair Butterfield Anthony Lealand, gintas k, Luigia Cardarelli Ksenija Kovacevic Enter the project via www.le-musee-divisioniste.org or www.le-musee-divisioniste.org/start1.htm=20 or go directly also to: www.le-musee-divisioniste.org/exhibitionhall/2003/self/mymission.htm=20 But there are much more artists who have a mission. Come and join the project by responding to this call: "My Mission" - call for submissions **************************** invites artists to submit to the recently initiated project "My Mission", collection of textual self-representations in form of artistic statements. Please send your statement as a short text in plain email format (not more than 500 words), how you see your mission as an artist, if you have any. "My mission" is an ongoing project with an open end, so you can send your statement at any time. No deadline. All serious submissions will be immediately included. Please send your submission to info@le-musee-divisioniste.org=20 subject line: My Mission *********************************** "{self}_representation 2003" is curated and created by Agricola de Cologne for Le Musee di-visioniste www.le-musee-divisioniste.org=20 - corporate member of [NewMediaArtProjectNetwork] :||cologne - the experimental platform for net based art - operating from Cologne/Germany. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:48:13 -0800 Reply-To: anastasios@hell.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "hell.com" Subject: 1 year (and $100 million) later Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 1 year (and $100 million) later -------------------- Poetry magazine's remarkable gift proves to be a 'mixed blessing' By Charles Storch Tribune staff reporter December 2, 2003 Then the theater was changed To something else. Its past was souvenir. -- from "Of Modern Poetry," by Wallace Stevens ---------- When the organization that publishes little Poetry magazine announced at a dinner last November that a benefactor was giving it $100 million or more over 30 years, the then-U.S. poet laureate, Billy Collins, who was in attendance, exclaimed that "the poor little match girl of the arts ... just hit the lottery." But the man who delivered the announcement, Joseph Parisi, sounded a more sobering note in an interview a year later. "Ask anyone who has won the lottery and he will tell you what a mixed blessing it can be." Over the last 12 months, the euphoria within the organization over what is believed to be the largest gift to a literary group -- and which effectively guarantees in perpetuity the survival of the monthly founded 91 years ago in Chicago -- has been undercut by the prosaic details of managing new wealth and responsibly employing it in the service of poetry. For some staffers, the excitement over a submission by a promising new poet has competed with the tedium of long meetings on legal, accounting and investment issues. There have been some significant changes. The Modern Poetry Association, the public support charity that publishes the magazine, has changed its name to the Poetry Foundation and intends to become a private operating foundation. The magazine and foundation have moved into more spacious quarters on the Near North Side, and the number of full-time staffers has increased, to six from four. The biggest shock is that Parisi is not among them. On Aug. 8, two months after turning the editorship he had held for 20 years over to his hand-picked successor, Parisi, 58, quit as executive director of publications and programs, severing ties with an organization he had joined in 1976. He wouldn't discuss reasons for departing except to say he plans to pursue writing, lecturing and teaching projects. But he makes it clear he had little patience with all the detail and paperwork associated with the outsize bequest. "It's a terrible burden," he said, adding, "You have no idea how many meetings you need." In many respects, this organization is moving so deliberately that it probably is a year or more away from taking flight. There are many proposals to build the magazine and its book publishing arm and to donate money for poetry education and other outreach programs. But decisions await the hiring of a president of the foundation, a new post, which may come as early as this month, according to Susan Page Estes, who heads the board's search committee. Prospective investment advisers have flooded the foundation with resumes, but so far the board only has picked a consultant to help them choose a money manager, said board treasurer Ethel Kaplan. And although the group may roll out some new public events and other efforts in 2004, program director Stephen Young said, "I see next year as another year of development. Probably beginning in 2005 things will start to come online." Deborah Cummins, the board's chairman, offered this status report: "We are building the foundation of a foundation." What's wrong with American literature? You ask me? How much do I get? -- "Question and Answer," by William Carlos Williams In founding Poetry in 1912, Harriet Monroe set out to present the best writing she could find, expand the audience for poetry, and see that poets were adequately compensated. Even during desperate times, Poetry never missed an edition. Now, its days of scratching for funds are over because of Ruth Lilly of Indianapolis. Lilly, now 88, is the last surviving great-grandchild of the founder of the Eli Lilly and Co. pharmaceutical firm. She has been giving more modest sums for decades to Poetry, including funding large prizes, obviously bearing no grudge for the magazine rejecting her poems. Lilly, a semi-recluse who has spent most of her life under care for depression, has corresponded with but never met anyone at Poetry. The poetry world's reaction to news of her nine-figure, no-strings gift was a mix of envy and "Where's mine?" Poetry soon received hundreds of pleas for assistance from individuals and groups. But Tree Swenson, executive director of the Academy of American Poets in New York, said there also was concern that, because of the Lilly gift, "now no one else will give to poetry, thinking that poetry is set." But Stephen Berg, founder and a co-editor of the American Poetry Review in Philadelphia, said the Lilly gift helped to inspire a larger donation, of $5,000 over three years, to his bimonthly from the Tomorrow Foundation, which had previously given $1,000. APR appreciated the gesture, especially since tough times have forced it to cut salaries and author pay rates. "I don't know what Poetry is going to do with all their money," he said. "I don't know what I would do with it if I got it." Lilly's gift is paid in annual installments from three pots of money. Each has a different payout period; one ends with Lilly's death. For IRS reporting purposes, the foundation estimated Lilly gift's last year at $134.4 million. But the final total, will depend on many factors, including how long Lilly lives, the value of stocks in her trusts and the outcome of the foundation's suit against the Indiana bank managing her holdings. The foundation and another big beneficiary of Lilly say the bank waited too long to sell Eli Lilly stock as the price plummeted in 2002. Kaplan said the foundation received about $14.16 million last January and, after this year's expenses, should have a total $27 million to $28 million when the second annual payment arrives in early 2004. Rich Campbell, a partner in Chicago at the Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw law firm who represents the foundation, said in the next year or two the organization will make too much money from its investments and thus no longer qualify, under IRS rules, as a public support charity. It will then declare itself a private operating foundation. As such, it will be required to give away at least 3.5 percent of its assets a year. Were it such a foundation in 2004 and assuming $28 million in assets, it would have to give away at least $980,000. But Campbell said the foundation is "not necessarily required to give that money to others," and all its giving can go toward the magazine and its own programs. But the board has stressed it clearly intends to do more with the wealth. I wandered through a house of many rooms. -- From "Dreams in War Time," by Amy Lowell For many years, Poetry operated out of 850 square feet in two cramped rooms in the Newberry Library. This year the small staff moved two blocks north into 2,500 square feet of rented space at 1030 N. Clark St. Near the end of a long corridor with many empty rooms is the office of Christian Wiman, editor of the magazine since June. Wiman, 37, a writer who received one of the magazine's Lilly Poetry Fellowships in 1994, was teaching at Northwestern University in late 2002 when Parisi sounded him out about becoming editor. "I wanted someone who I thought would have a very large purview," said Parisi of his successor. "Also I thought he was a person of great integrity and character." Over its long history, Poetry has demonstrated a keen eye for new talent, presenting important early works of such poets as Stevens, Williams, Lowell, T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound and Carl Sandburg. More recently it has been criticized in literary circles for being too conservative and narrow in its selections. Wiman doesn't necessarily disagree with the appraisal. "It needed a bit of a jolt. I think Joe [Parisi] recognized that," Wiman said. Wiman hopes to enliven things with a new letters to the editor feature and essays by writers not usually identified with verse, such as Michael Lewis, author of such non-fiction books as "Moneyball." The publicity about the Lilly gift helped to raise circulation by 1,400, to 11,046 paid, he said, and a direct-mail campaign planned for February could add more. The magazine already has tripled its pay rate, to $6 a line for poetry and $150 a page for prose, which may increase submissions, now running at about 90,000 a year (although it prints only 300 poems a year). Wiman also wants to expand Poetry's presence in libraries and launch a lecture series, initially in Chicago, on issues raised in the magazine. And he hopes the foundation one day will buy a home for the magazine and its collection of some 30,000 books, now stored in the Newberry. His model is the Poets House literary center and library in New York City. These are among the ideas that will be presented to the new foundation president. Since late spring, Estes said, the board and the Witt/Kieffer search firm have received nearly 200 applications for the post, recently paring the field to three. The job description calls for experience running established organizations and nurturing start-ups and a "resonance with poetry." "We aren't looking for a poet or writer per se," she said. Helen Klaviter, 59, a veteran of 30 years with the organization and its business and projects editor, has experienced the hard times there, making its assured existence all the sweeter. "It's exciting to consider bringing to reality programs that were only daydreams," she said. The empty offices around hers will be filled once a president makes hiring decisions, she said. Until then, she will continue to juggle extra duties and work up to 60 hours a week. "Some days I feel it would have been nicer if Ms. Lilly had waited until after I retired," she said. Copyright (c) 2003, Chicago Tribune ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:14:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: the miracle of academia Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As I find myself and my work invoked below, I figure I'd better say something -- though many on this list will already know the facts of the matter -- Readers of my work know, as would anyone who looks at the listing of my books on Amazon, which Kirby purports to have done, that it is simply not true that that all of my books have race in the title -- and for that matter, one might well pause over the assertion that an example of a book with race in the title is "Black Chant" -- while books that address only the writings of white poets are somehow seen as not being about race -- (come to think of it, is "The White Goddess" a book with race in the title?) and as to the question of this being the only discourse that is permissable -- I sure wish that had been the case back when I was writing "Reading Race," a volume which still gets me attacked fairly regularly -- Though, as an inhabitant of a field said not to exist, I suppose I should be grateful that the scholarship I have fought to get into the academy is now, apparently, the only permissable discourse -- Pretty good for a graduate of the University of D.C., no? Any suggestions on how I should deploy my suddennly achieved powers? often I am permitted to return to a field . . . . On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 18:03:02, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > > > > Kirby Olson wrote: > > > >> I have found it extremely gratifying to have finally kicked this > >> conversation over, and to be getting new perspective. I think > >> Kazim's question, as always, is right on the mark. I put it here to > >> reacquaint, and then I want to attempt to explore it. > >> > >> Kazim Ali wrote: > >> > >> > Can I ask a question? A serious question to which I do > >> > not know the answer(s): > >> > > >> > When English literature was first added to school > >> > curricula, it was in the colonial schools in India and > >> > its purpose there was a way to culturally trained the > >> > comprador middle bureaucratic class (among other > >> > things of course). > >> > > >> > What is the cultural (or other) purpose of our > >> > teaching of literature and/or poetry in higher > >> > education now? > >> > > >> > >> I didn't know what a comprador is, and I didn't know whether this is > >> true. I did imagine India under colonial rule and what place > >> Kipling or Tennis Anyone might have had within that schema. There > >> had to have been sensitive bureaucrats who were really trying to > >> mediate cultures, and not merely impose their own, but they were > >> perhaps in the minority. But the point of Kazim's question is > >> elsewhere. > >> > >> I think that the only point of literature at all right now for the > >> left is to educate everyone concerning race, gender, and class. I > >> honestly don't think the last category matters any longer, and > >> slowly it seems the second category is also fading. In a democracy, > >> Aristotle points out in the Politics, those who are victims will > >> always receive the majority of funding. And so a lot of what seems > >> to be going on is positioning oneself and one's group as > >> victimized. Anyone who isn't doing this is not going to get a > >> position. There are about 750 applicants for any of the better > >> positions. And if you are going to get one of those positions, the > >> ruling and hegemonic discourse is race. We might as well face this. > > > > > > Aldon Nielsen mentioned that he had gotten a job to teach contemporary > > poetry. I looked him up in Amazon.com, and all his books have race in > > their title. "Reading Race," "Black Chant," "White Poetry and the > > Race Question" (the last title may not be exact, as I just looked at > > it quickly). This is to say that while this is a worthy discourse, it > > is also the imperial discourse, the hegemonic, and really finally, the > > only discourse that is permissible. > > > > Unfortunately, I am not interested in this discourse. Having heard it > > for the last twenty five years and slowly to the exclusion of all > > else, I feel that it is something like a bad marriage where partners > > bring up every last memory of hurt, and never move on. But, to answer > > Kazim's question partially, I think that this is what a great many > > people think that literature should do. It should heal the racial > > divides in America by relentlessly focussing upon them. > > > > However, poetry does this less well than prose because all kinds of > > things get in the way of the politicization involved. Such as the > > difficulty of poetry. The form of the social realist novel has more > > efficacity. > > > > And I think that this is one reason that poetry is slowly being pushed > > out of the academy as a scholarly subject. You have to justify > > yourself now as somehow helping to heal the racial divides. While I > > don't think that poetry can do this (while humor might be able to do > > it better -- and studies of humor and black and white and so on > > humorists might be able to do it -- we are still stuck with the > > Arnoldian ideal of high seriousness in academia, and this undercurrent > > means that while there are still a few hires every year -- perhaps as > > many as five in any given year over the last twenty years -- most of > > the candidates will be hired to teach explicitly ethnic literature -- > > which is almost never a set-aside for poetry as such). > > > > My concern is that this focus on ethnicity will slowly Bosnify > > America. That is, peeople will think of themselves as a smouldering > > ember of their ethnic enclave, alive with all their resentments and > > passions, and belittlements over time. And to my memory this is what > > happened in Yugoslavia -- I met a well-educated hotel owner from > > Croatia who told me that the Bosnian Muslims deserved what they got > > because of something they had done 800 years ago (move in). > > > > America is a chance to leave behind these age-old resentments and > > start anew. where people can be themselves (ha ha) and pursue > > happiness. > > > > Because finally the past is the past. > > > > So what I would like to propose is that the real subject of poetry > > (its efficacity) should be based on what it does for the polis. This > > is Olson's criterion. I think he's a mess, but I accept his > > criterion. William Carlos Williams was interested in this, too. > > Reznikoff. Zukofsky. Even the Beats. I think that Marianne moore > > was, too. Maybe all of our better poets have seen that as their > > interest? > > > > Of course there are many other criteria, but one healthy thread that > > took place perhaps six months ago was Places to Live. In what ways > > can poetry do something for the community in such a way that the folks > > in Dimebox, Washington can say, hey, I'm glad I paid for that? > > > > One way is through the growth of local poetries along Olson's lines. > > As mysterious as some of his poetry is, it is a rallying point for > > Gloucester's citizens, and for the idea of preservation. It links to > > place. So I was going to start another contest -- this time about > > place. A few rules -- the poem can have any form -- but it should be > > based on direct experience -- and should describe a place -- but also > > perhaps suggest a change or else a criticism -- it should in other > > words observe, analyze, and correct -- as an ideal. Let's keep them > > short -- say, one to fifteen lines (I find it difficult to read any > > poem longer than that in cyberspace). > > > > Let's keep it open until Christmas break begins on December 13th -- > > two weeks is short enough perhaps. Everybody can then vote either > > front channel or back channel to me, but you can't vote for yourself. > > You can put in an older poem, or a new poem, but no more than two > > poems. I will put in one of my poems that I think sets a reasonably > > low standard, so that others will be inspired to top it. > > While I didn't answer Kazim's question, maybe I opened an answer? > Poetry as an adjunct of urbanism -- delighting in or criticizing clover > leaf highway patterns, fences, a night's rest in a given hotel, and so > on. A tree, a park, a cliff site. A neighborhood. > > At any rate Kazim seems to like things to remain open-ended and > inventive -- and I wouldn't want to provide too fast a closure for his > question even if it was within my limited capacity. > > -- Kirby > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:29:19 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Geraets Subject: alan loney's poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan deserves a wide and smart audience, so it's encouraging to hear = that he's doing some readings and attracting readers in the U.S. Over = the years in NiZland his disciplined production, not only in making = remarkable poems, but also in encouraging new writers and writing in the = magazines he's edited and the fine quality books that he's produced, has = held a number of us in thrall. But not as big a number as he deserves. As one who's had some involvement in publishing Alan locally, I'd much = like to encourage his being published and more widely read in the U.S.=20 John Geraets Auckland ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:58:15 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: laura oliver Subject: Potlatch Poetry Comments: To: poetics-talk@yahoogroups.com, dmelt@earthlink.net, artseduc@earthlink.net, nilsmichals@yahoo.com, Harmienta@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, I'm putting together a unit for third graders on poetry/songs of the Potlatch culture. ( northwest coast ) Does anyone have any advice for resources/anthologies? ( I have Shaking the Pumpkin & a Haida poem from a Koch anthology ) Thank you, Laura Oliver _________________________________________________________________ Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? 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Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 13:27:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Potlatch Poetry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" see if there's anything in the new book Night is Gone, Day is Still Coming: Poems and Writings by Native American Teenagers and Young Adults. edited by Annette Ochoa, Betsy Franco and Traci Gourdine (Candlewick Press). At 6:58 PM +0000 12/2/03, laura oliver wrote: >Hi, > >I'm putting together a unit for third graders on poetry/songs of the >Potlatch culture. ( northwest coast ) Does anyone have any advice for >resources/anthologies? >( I have Shaking the Pumpkin & a Haida poem from a Koch anthology ) > >Thank you, >Laura Oliver > >_________________________________________________________________ >Has one of the new viruses infected your computer? Find out with a FREE >online computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:17:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Del Ray Cross Subject: SHAMPOO 19 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello Hello, And please go pronto to the brand-new SHAMPOO issue 19: www.ShampooPoetry.com Yes, yes, you really must. It is so super-sudsy and includes such starry ingredients as Alli Warren, Zinovy Vayman, Eileen Tabios, Todd Swift, Chris Stroffolino, Ron Silliman, Todd Shalom, Suzy Saul, Christopher Rizzo, Chris Murray, Gordon Moyer, Bruna Mori, Bobbi Lurie, Lewis LaCook, W.B. Keckler, Jane Joritz-Nakagawa, Jill Jones, Laura Jent, Yuri Hospodar, Tom Hamill, Adriana Grant, C. E. Gatchalian, Drew Gardner, Carolyn Gan, Andrew Felsinger, Michael Farrell, Jason Earls, William Charles Delman, William Cannon, Mike Bucell, Luis Cuauhtemoc Berriozabal, Melissa R. Benham, and Stephanie Beecham; plus radiant ShampooArt by Nico Wijaya. Even better than shopping, Del Ray Cross, Editor SHAMPOO clean hair / good poetry www.ShampooPoetry.com (if you'd rather not get these little updates, just let me know) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:37:43 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii While waiting for Mairead to put together a new group poem, I would like to read short poems on places for my new contest. I wish the last two lines of the poem were a lot better, but I am hoping this will inspire others by not setting the bar too high as I would if for instance I put in a poem by WCW or Reznikoff. I'd like to close the contest on December 13, a Saturday. I was hoping the poems would be relatively short (under 15 lines) and based on real places. At most two poems per poet. If nobody else registers then I win. BINGHAMTON, NY The old & ugly town of Binghamton The roads have craters in them Six o'clock shadows on the faces at noon Abandoned food stores Old ads Busses Dingy street lamps The whole town's a pit Everybody's used to it ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:38:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Latta Reading in Greensboro, NC In-Reply-To: <001e01c3b83c$8a618020$95bc9541@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as a native of Greensboro, who found WUAG, as WQRX (the Guilford College station) of much service in the late 70s and early 80s, i would like to know if they webcast. and say hello to Fred Chappell if he is there. robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, schwartzgk wrote: > Does WUAG webcast... something for those > of us in the far, coldening north? > > Cheers, > Gerald > > > I'm reading with Kevin Boyle on Thursday, December 4th at 8 pm in the > Faculty > > Center (of UNCG) on College Avenue in Greensboro, North Carolina. Also a > live > > radio thing at 5:30 the same day on WUAG. > > > > If anybody's in the area . . . > > > > John Latta > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 11:50:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit or a housing project, a ghetto...i doubt one can effectively think of an urban space (or, for that matter, a rural one) without discussing issues of race or class... > Poetry as an adjunct of urbanism -- delighting in or criticizing clover > leaf highway patterns, fences, a night's rest in a given hotel, and so > on. A tree, a park, a cliff site. A neighborhood. > > > -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:12:27 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Rob Swift vs the Blend Comix Comments: To: UnderWorld MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/17297.php Rob Swift vs the Blend (a meditation on a “the Blend” number two and Rob Swift’s “Ablist”) by Lawrence Ytzhak Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) Fernwood/The Hood/New Palestine 1424... What’s the definition of this essay: ...allow me to demonstrate... ...a journey in my mental...carvan from Ditch to Legends, contemplating bass domination, of George Scott 3rd, as he leads contortions of riddim, like a graffer works a rhyme on wallz via tips and nozzles, like an illustrator transforms word to image, like writers collects the syntax of sight into the symbolism of lexis, like cymbals and kneck snapping snares used by a selector Swift at the controls on this journey ? this is how I was travelling while contemplating flow. This thought is immediate. The elements of art and foreign flava in sonic epistle as a soundtrack in desidant/miltant Victorians tearing errors artistically to make the set go boom; it moves the sight/seen mise en byme toons steppin to be heard in this city to prove and show it’s post modem cut and paste flex. Turntablist to carTUNIST -- skillz tight like Panochio/an idiot gonna solo/paint a village thick like bass so low = all city audio addict thematic. Comics about comics vs Turntablist enabling turntablists on cds. “What would you do if a viscous enemy suddenly started comin at you armed to the teeth and ready to kill you? ...”a little hard to ignore. (indeed) “There must be something unpalatable about the comics to the female of the species.:. “I rented ‘Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai’ last night. Have you seen it? Don’t you think it would make a good graphic novel?” S’all dope on plastics and paper; from the flex of a wrist -- the pressure point of the pen on the paper to the/to the/and to the... scratch of the ink and the contours of grooves ground down on vinyl = “all my competitors get chopped up”. How many panels per page? ... How many beats per minute? ... How fast does light travel? 186,000 miles per second/299,792,458 metres per second How fast does sound travel? 1129 feet per seccond/344 metres per second This is our day This is Our is Our ...day This essay: ...a try and attempt at a skill, nah fail, luring from one acoustic space to the space btwn panels sincing details of signifiers into samples of sounds to bites from life like “waiting on the corner” in Victoria “with a pizza in one hand and campy horror movies in the other’. Choppin from track to audio narrative to make “the panel of each and every comic book a (...) statement” = “this is our day”. What’s’ the definition of this kite on the tight light and shaded writs of Blend and the crack choppin headshells of Rob Swift? “teenage boys”? “I can remember just about every writer or artist that I’ve enjoyed since I was a kid”; the motivation of surreality in the unreality of reality what is the fluidity of the complexity of the audio comic panel soundtrack about heads (hedz?) and lives in undisputable art for the knots come mental bangers. Macluhan, Mclaren born from Tzara -- “all my competitors get chopped up”. S’all la!!! ...manga/daDA of sound set to soul... the Gyson collection of theory into practical boppin rubber end sole come the unanimated waitng for a referent to send messages out to phat cuts. ...on boards, card or controlled, with levers... It’s the intellectual alienation of Ghost Dog’s urban dumbshow set to glued mats measured mathematically ? my themes and tactics set to blend this semiotics to sonic. Brain Wilson’s Lee/Tubby and King Perry’s echo chamber of versions plastered on paper as the subtitled parchments of PacNW Victorian ins steppin up with Jinnutiy in possessions; “with a pizza in one hand and campy horror movies in the other’ -- inspiration/depression/madness petting sounds and holding tight to egos = Neckbeard upsets Clay George like the Upsetter and sends Portishead on run for their metre. 1 is alwys born from a cypher. The Ablist vs the illustrator and essayist = A swift ambient to the recorded tales of Brassard, gignaC AND desrosiers blend to manipulating faders for the weight of pencils and arms carving the image or tone to toons or tunes made flat on mats. ...is ‘all that scratchin is making you (r) itch’ = capitalism vs symbolism. Wonder Woman/Cat Woman + enlightend society + selling = “Playboy bunnies meets the WWF” or Akil’s “The Science of Manufacturing The Criminal Black Mind” = industry/buy product amerkkkanadian tagged/chopped/graphed into a culture for the dollar ? “you know how boy’s like to fight...”. That chick in the comicshop wants to holla.... Out stretched balanced arms holding needles or pens. Stay on point!!! Panel to panel//table to table//dubplates etches foundations and sketches like specials being versioned by Cowboy Bebop as Hernandez launches mucho love with rockets. ¡Ya! Yo!!! is that a pen or a headshell in your pocket? Or are you just sharpening your pencil? Anime mi hentai (e) -- writing tones like stencils. What’s the definition of: ...sound to image to writs of urban (f) ables (ist) = I love you. I luv union. I level unions with “so/so/so much class. Mackin Rob to Matt with phatty tips and tracks = “all my competitors get chopped up”. The sound of math in my attic. “What would you do if a viscous enemy suddenly started comin at you armed to the teeth and ready to kill you?” “a little hard to ignore.” (I’m sure) “all my competitors get chopped up” -- in my mental carvan/rattling a sound like a ballpoint in a can/baring witness at 1129 feet per second/with Macluhan and Ellington/using light as a carrier wave/ disguised as a comicbook and cutmaster on disk/Afroeurasian/visual soundscapes/injecting ink on wallz and audiotape = “...I became a janitor of sorts” “Brainstorming” at “Night time” for the “manufactured Black...“mindframe of the absent minded and insecure...” -- now, there’s “Something Different” for you. Rob Swift ? “Ablist” elbow lounging at Ditch Records the Blend sits briefly at Legends Comix & Comics and Dark Horse Books. 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Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:25:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Clements Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: <3FCCEA07.696CA80D@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Having lived in Binghamton, I feel qualified to proclaim Kirby Olson the winner of his own contest without seeing the other entries. His entry paints that town in its best light. Binghamton's saving grace passed on with Milt Kessler. bc Kirby Olson wrote: While waiting for Mairead to put together a new group poem, I would like to read short poems on places for my new contest. I wish the last two lines of the poem were a lot better, but I am hoping this will inspire others by not setting the bar too high as I would if for instance I put in a poem by WCW or Reznikoff. I'd like to close the contest on December 13, a Saturday. I was hoping the poems would be relatively short (under 15 lines) and based on real places. At most two poems per poet. If nobody else registers then I win. BINGHAMTON, NY The old & ugly town of Binghamton The roads have craters in them Six o'clock shadows on the faces at noon Abandoned food stores Old ads Busses Dingy street lamps The whole town's a pit Everybody's used to it ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:30:07 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Francis Raven Subject: New Poems About Places Contest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Kirby, Love your idea about short place poems. Here's a couple for your contest. One's about the wetland where I worked in San Francisco and the other is about Santa Cruz. best, Francis "Bayview Wetland" (formerly pier 98 and a little beyond) Franciscan environs South to San Bruno North to Marin Headlands, In between, here we sing or swallow. The weeds The weeds! 95 percent of SF bay wetlands destroyed.. Bay also a third smaller. Where did that water go? Pushing it out, who pulled it in? The poem of this place pulls in not only weeds but people, but people’s words. How far does context roam in this place? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Coffee after a Sunburned Morning at the Beach" There aren’t any public bathrooms in this coffee house in Santa Cruz. What do they expect us to do with all of that coffee? And I am sure that they have an employee bathroom in the back, that’s not up to code and smells. But when I ask them about the uncoded odorific pisshole in back they lie and cheat about it and ask me if I’d like a refill. And when I say I don’t want one unless they have a bathroom they tell me that I’ve sat for the time that a cup of coffee buys me. So, I walk next door and jump into the bathroom of a fancy hotel which clearly says it’s for customers only. Luckily, next year, they’re installing seven portapotties in Santa Cruz. _________________________________________________________________ Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:39:43 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT shorter than 15 lines? geez. i have one (so far) on my little city. ottawa, canada's glorious capital (where its cold as fuk rite now. started snowing on saturday. oh where oh where is our national poet laureate when you really need him? aw george). heres my bit. it mentions all the important local bits like hockey & drinking (what do i win?): quick ghazal on the manx pub she steps a pint across unbroken line. the hockey game again, game six. named for the island, cat a clipped tail. david in his blue blue shirt becomes the sky. her kathleen edwards t-shirt is nearly new. -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:51:34 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: above/ground press 2004 subscriptions Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT still one or two more packages to go for 2003 subscribers, but starting to take orders for subscriptions for the 2004 calendar year. for those with too many poems around their house, i will probably start looking at submissions again around April (but who knows for sure). above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year for STANZAS, chapbooks, asides + broadsheets. Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, rob mclennan, Daniel f. Bradley, donato mancini, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Meredith Quartermain, Larry Sawyer & others. Payable to rob mclennan, c/o 858 Somerset Street West, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 6r7. catalog online at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan also, recent broadsheets by Artie Gold, Steven Heighton, rob mclennan, Meredith Quartermain, meghan jackson, George Bowering, Lisa Samuels, Max Middle, etc. if you send an s.a.s.e. (#10 envelope) i can mail any four (or a random selection). if you send larger, i can send more. above/ground press - killing trees in bulk since 1993 (& currently Canada's most active poetry chapbook publisher) ============= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:56:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: <200312010009.hB109lV06863@webmail1.cac.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" aldon's post hits the nail on the head... what problems i've witnessed in terms of hiring and the like race-wise haven't turned on candidates "playing the race card" (as some put it)... yes---i've seen job candidates play up certain kinds of racial assumptions, sure... but i can't blame them, generally speaking, b/c the core problem, and what permits this to happen in the first place, is that white faculty haven't sufficiently understood (i would rather write, theorized) their own racial coordinates... and this leads to a certain fetishizing of ostensibly "racial" attributes (i need to use quotes here to suggest that the latter are no more or less racial than are the attributes of those doing the fetishizing, as aldon suggests)... the only way to properly understand any of this, as i see it, is to add other factors into the mix... e.g., most of the time race/ethnicity as such is tacitly understood as a class marker... so (to take my favorite subject, MYSELF, as an example) i'm often talked about as "italian" by my colleagues when in fact what's really being talked about is my working-class italian american-ness (e.g., i'm "demonstrative," as some would say)... take the class out of me (as if!) and you might be just as happy talking about me as an alsatian american (1st generation on my mom's side, as a matter of fact, as opposed to 2nd generation sicilian on my dad's... and i think i must have posted the latter info to this list, what, a dozen times?---just goes to show how important it is to my sense of identity)... this reminds me btw of that absolutely asskicking essay cecil giscombe contributed to ~telling it slant~---the one in which he discusses the fugitive (from 60s tv) as a *black* guy... the question really does have to do with perceived and actual (institutional) power---and a profession that understands the extent to which everyone is part of a racialized, class-based, gendered (etc.) reality is a profession that better understands *how* the playing field is not and never has been level... white racializations/identities (note that plural, please!) are still far more the measure (and means) of success than any other such "colored" realities... interesting in this regard to note that latino populations, from what i've read of late, are beginning gradually to self-identify less frequently as caucasians, and more frequently as any number of other ethnicities... by way of saying, i think the academic profession needs to do a much better job of appealing to inequities via a more sophisticated (and less commodity-driven) *procedural* grasp of race/gender/class etc. ("diversity"... and don't even get me started on the sexed body stuff that goes on under the rubric of hiring more women faculty)... bodies matter, sure, but in the end, that kind of identity politics is a piss-poor way of standing on principled ideological or ethical ground, and only ends up staffing our courts with clarence thomas's and sandra day o'connor's... i realize too that the very logic i'm using to trouble basic identity politics can point in another direction entirely---viz., that it's simply inappropriate to permit identity to enter into the mix... please not to associate me with the party of that part, whoever they may be... one more thing, and at the risk of preaching to some choir: if you're a contemporary poet or a contemporary critic/scholar/theorist of poetry, you need to have your head examined if you think that aldon's writings are somehow peripheral to an understanding of u.s. poetry... i don't mean to come off too strong here---and the same could certainly be said of work by others on (and off) this list---but i find aldon's oeuvre to date absolutely indispensable to a discussion of what poetry is, what it could be, and (i'll go out on a limb here) what it *should* be... and yeah, i consider aldon a friend, and no, i'm not actually suggesting that anyone on this list needs to have their head examined (esp. not after that thread on "creativity and mental health," lordsakes!)... my two cents' worth... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:12:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: oh ohoh i do want to write youso and this is MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII oh ohoh i do want to write youso and this is my log column to you. i will save my long column for you. out of my small mouth gems o geius wisdom will emerge (for y smal column). you may have known that i wll be hr oh alan what did yo do withthe garden place w did love so. i wll assemble yo from me and all my wrds. who will you be todaydecembr. wll you be in eed of smethig i can giveyo ohohoh. or wll you be o your own. i did see you coming the sdewalk down and you did look so splendid riding there and i am so happy. ere is a picture of me you wil marry me [image] and here is anothe picture of e wth my mother [image] and a picture of my cat [image] and the sond of my cat purr [file] and my lovely voice just for you [file] and my moter telling me no to be ou lat [file] and her i am watching you and i am riding ridig away [video] and my mothe is wving goodbye [video] and my cat too [video]. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:33:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Murat: Who's going to be the publisher? Release date? Best, Gerald Schwartz You Are Cordially Invited to Participate in A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry Symposium 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 • Admission: free 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, 6th and River Streets, Hoboken, New Jersey To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF CONTEMPORARY TURKISH POETRY, edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. • A discussion of, and readings from, the works of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. küçük Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Zeynep Sayin, critic Mustafa Ziyalan, poet READING 7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 • Admission: $10 The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street (between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues), New York City The poetic activity that swept Turkey through the 20th century into the 21st marks one of the most exciting moments in world literature. • Readings in Turkish and English translations. küçük Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Mustafa Ziyalan, poet Edward Foster, poet and editor ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:00:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hate to toss grease on the griddle here (NO, take that back I relish it) but I'm curious about the impact of the ADA on hiring practices as I'm now officially disabled and eminently qualified to teach 'disabled' poetry or poetry of the mental illness/health challenged even though I'm tone-deaf whcih is not considered a disability but I am willing to change my politics if i find a college that is short of their quota of right wingers? tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some poetry available through geezer.com Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:49:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Clements Subject: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist does have the work on public display already. Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of this query. Thanks for any responses! Brian Clements ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:52:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i don't know the ethics, we make this up as we go, I think, but it seems that links are simply telling the reader the address of a site to go to. I have never heard that giving out the location of a resource could be unethical. Maybe I don't understand your question. Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Clements" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:49 PM Subject: Ethics of Linking? > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist does have the work on public display already. > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of this query. > > Thanks for any responses! > > Brian Clements ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:59:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit if you're simply providing a url to go to, then there's no problem...if you're hotlinking to specific images, then there will definitely be a problem... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Clements" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Ethics of Linking? > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist does have the work on public display already. > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of this query. > > Thanks for any responses! > > Brian Clements > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:03:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ask permission. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? > if you're simply providing a url to go to, then there's no problem...if > you're hotlinking to specific images, then there will definitely be a > problem... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Clements" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:49 PM > Subject: Ethics of Linking? > > > > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a > commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice > acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary > publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary > publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as > threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist > does have the work on public display already. > > > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in > question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of > this query. > > > > Thanks for any responses! > > > > Brian Clements > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:38:10 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joe, Jerrold, etc. I didn't want to imply that race, gender and class are not in some ways very important criteria. I'm just saying that in many ways they seem to have become the only criteria. I'm a nobody in a backwater of academia, and so am perhaps not as in touch with many of you regarding these finer points. I don't know anybody on this board -- although I met Maria when I was 19 one summer -- and haven't heard of her again until I get on this board some six months ago. I was a late-=blooming academic -- not returning to school until my mid-thirties, and have only worked in America for about three years. So if I brought up Aldon's books merely from the titles that's because that's all that I have read. The books sound more interesting, and I will try to read one over the break. He has read mine on Corso, he said, and I didn't think that anybody at all had read it. I am not even aware of many of the authors in this field. I started out writing about humor and humorists, and have only recently -- about three years ago -- decided to get more into poetry again. In my very primitive anatomy of contemporary criticism -- I would say that there were three canons when I went back to graduate school, and they all circled around certain questions. 1. The social work canon -- is it good for the "oppressed"? 2. The aesthetic canon -- is it good for the art (this was the tail end of what I have called elsewhere the classical liberals who got their start in the 60s and 70s) 3. The postmodern canon (by this I mean Lyotard and Lyotardians and some Deleuzians) who asked -- "Is it novel?" As I saw it demographically the social work canon was sponsored by almost all of the women (there were some Eastern European holdouts), and many of the younger men (under 50). The classical liberals were white men, principally, many of whom still wore ties and suits. The few women wore very nice dresses. The postmodern group was really Steven Shaviro -- who was a funny brilliant nut who wore T-Rex t-shirts and had green hair when I met him. I extrapolated from him that there were probably tiny groups of these academics elsewhere. Very experimental in their tastes, and with a sense of a drug counterculture that has glued together a few circuits in fascinating new paradigms. He was my favorite, and the guy who guided me through graduate school. I saw these questions the different groups asked as radically indifferent to one another -- separate spheres, that created what Lyotard would have called a differend (Robert Corbett brought him in yesterday) between the different groups. As I have paid attention in my own rather lazy fashion, it seems to me that the social work canonical question has triumphed, and driven out the other questions, and people don't even remember other questions, or realize that other questions might be put. So, what other questions might be put of a poem? 1. Is it funny? (And the social work canon people would immediately say, "To whom?" 2. Is it perpetually interesting (Kant, Pound), and the s.w. canonizers would immediately ask the same question -- to whom? 3. Is it local (WCW, Olson)? 4. Is it good for the environment (Snyder, Berry) 5. Is it erotic-explosive (surrealists -- of whom there are still some in the poetry world)? 6. Is it good for the soul (there are a lot of Christian poets -- and there are millions of these but often not in state schools -- who worry about that question) So part of what I'm doing is trying to open up the questions that can be asked, although I did say that not only are the race, gender and class criteria important, they are seemingly all-important. When we judge poetry we have a central question in mind. The Poundians asked, is it perpetually interesting. Today, we tend to ask -- but is it good for the oppressed (the hermaphrodite discussion turned on this). The surrealists asked whether it was Dionysian. Are any other questions legitimate? In the Soviet Union it was only asked -- is this good for the proletariat? And people who went against this and made art considered useless, or had poetry along others lines went to Siberia. Today I think a similar closure is happening to those who dare to ask other questions. I think this is bad. I do think that the central questions of oppression are central, but I also thnk the question has become oppressive, so I am also asking what other questions can be put, if that's permitted? When I read a poem I still think -- is it perpetually interesting? For instance, when I wrote on Corso it was because he had obsessed me for twenty years. Part of my own criteria of criticism remains somewhat in that older classical liberal question (although the people who obsess me were not in that canon but are usually very weird humorists, and people with at least one foot in a kind of Dionysian surrealism). I won't write about someone until they have obsessed me for at least a decade. I don't think I can write good criticism unless I am driven to go back to a work (for whatever reason) repeatedly for at least that long. It takes me that long to open a work and get at least the gist of what's inside it so that I feel acquainted with it to the point of having absorbed, and read all of the criticism, and then can say something about a poet or a poetry that I find crucial to me -- many times for reasons I don't really understand until I begin to explore it as a critic. At any rate, I am not trying to close down questions. I am only trying to open a few, if that's ok. As I said, I'm a nobody, and have no influence at all, and don't even know anybody in this field. I hope people will continue to post places poems, as I'm very drawn to that for whatever reason. You could have white person in ghetto poems, or males in the lingerie dept. poems, and bring in those issues -- rich academic at blue collar party, or whatever, or a reverse of those, as places ARE transected by those issues, some places more than others. I am also hoping that the poems are inherently fascinating -- of perpetual interest -- for whatever reason -- that's the ones that I will be voting for in two weeks. -- Kirby Olson Joe Amato wrote: > aldon's post hits the nail on the head... what problems i've > witnessed in terms of hiring and the like race-wise haven't turned on > candidates "playing the race card" (as some put it)... yes---i've > seen job candidates play up certain kinds of racial assumptions, > sure... but i can't blame them, generally speaking, b/c the core > problem, and what permits this to happen in the first place, is that > white faculty haven't sufficiently understood (i would rather write, > theorized) their own racial coordinates... and this leads to a > certain fetishizing of ostensibly "racial" attributes (i need to use > quotes here to suggest that the latter are no more or less racial > than are the attributes of those doing the fetishizing, as aldon > suggests)... > > the only way to properly understand any of this, as i see it, is to > add other factors into the mix... e.g., most of the time > race/ethnicity as such is tacitly understood as a class marker... so > (to take my favorite subject, MYSELF, as an example) i'm often talked > about as "italian" by my colleagues when in fact what's really being > talked about is my working-class italian american-ness (e.g., i'm > "demonstrative," as some would say)... take the class out of me (as > if!) and you might be just as happy talking about me as an alsatian > american (1st generation on my mom's side, as a matter of fact, as > opposed to 2nd generation sicilian on my dad's... and i think i must > have posted the latter info to this list, what, a dozen times?---just > goes to show how important it is to my sense of identity)... > > this reminds me btw of that absolutely asskicking essay cecil > giscombe contributed to ~telling it slant~---the one in which he > discusses the fugitive (from 60s tv) as a *black* guy... > > the question really does have to do with perceived and actual > (institutional) power---and a profession that understands the extent > to which everyone is part of a racialized, class-based, gendered > (etc.) reality is a profession that better understands *how* the > playing field is not and never has been level... white > racializations/identities (note that plural, please!) are still far > more the measure (and means) of success than any other such "colored" > realities... interesting in this regard to note that latino > populations, from what i've read of late, are beginning gradually to > self-identify less frequently as caucasians, and more frequently as > any number of other ethnicities... > > by way of saying, i think the academic profession needs to do a much > better job of appealing to inequities via a more sophisticated (and > less commodity-driven) *procedural* grasp of race/gender/class etc. > ("diversity"... and don't even get me started on the sexed body stuff > that goes on under the rubric of hiring more women faculty)... bodies > matter, sure, but in the end, that kind of identity politics is a > piss-poor way of standing on principled ideological or ethical > ground, and only ends up staffing our courts with clarence thomas's > and sandra day o'connor's... i realize too that the very logic i'm > using to trouble basic identity politics can point in another > direction entirely---viz., that it's simply inappropriate to permit > identity to enter into the mix... > > please not to associate me with the party of that part, whoever they may be... > > one more thing, and at the risk of preaching to some choir: if > you're a contemporary poet or a contemporary critic/scholar/theorist > of poetry, you need to have your head examined if you think that > aldon's writings are somehow peripheral to an understanding of u.s. > poetry... i don't mean to come off too strong here---and the same > could certainly be said of work by others on (and off) this > list---but i find aldon's oeuvre to date absolutely indispensable to > a discussion of what poetry is, what it could be, and (i'll go out on > a limb here) what it *should* be... and yeah, i consider aldon a > friend, and no, i'm not actually suggesting that anyone on this list > needs to have their head examined (esp. not after that thread on > "creativity and mental health," lordsakes!)... > > my two cents' worth... > > best, > > joe ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:12:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keri Thomas Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed These are pretty short, so I have three. The first is about Niagara Falls. The Place Where I Grew Up One stroke clouds Starving artist trees Electric cornfields Pert green ponds Majestic and pathetic Once a city, now a town ********************************* The second I wrote driving in my car home from my parent's house. BFLO A hundred beacons stretch before me Past family wagons and barren green expanses Toward beer bottle flower beds and vehicular bonsais Crackled college radio becomes clearer Through the bellies of steel whales Down rain splashed dirty streets Gas writhes in glass bars As cocooned masses rush to escape a long winter’s chill I am home *********************************** The third is a true story, also in Buffalo. Sunday Night at 10 O’clock Stressed neon flits against Cracked dirty asphalt Chain smokers exchange confessions In tinted SUVs The underemployed grab tonight’s six-pack As a middle aged man picks up a hooker in a rain streaked rabbit coat I buy some chicken and roll into the night >From: Francis Raven >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: New Poems About Places Contest >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:30:07 -0800 > >Kirby, > >Love your idea about short place poems. Here's a couple for your contest. >One's about the wetland where I worked in San Francisco and the other is >about Santa Cruz. > >best, > >Francis > > >"Bayview Wetland" > >(formerly pier 98 > and a little beyond) >Franciscan environs >South to San Bruno >North to Marin Headlands, > > In between, here we sing or swallow. > > The weeds The weeds! > >95 percent of SF bay wetlands destroyed.. >Bay also a third smaller. >Where did that water go? >Pushing it out, who pulled it in? > >The poem of this place pulls in >not only weeds >but people, but people’s words. >How far does context roam in this place? >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"Coffee after a Sunburned Morning at the Beach" > >There aren’t any public bathrooms >in this coffee house >in Santa Cruz. >What do they expect us to do >with all of that coffee? >And I am sure >that they have >an employee bathroom >in the back, >that’s not up to code >and smells. >But when I ask them >about the uncoded odorific pisshole >in back >they lie and cheat >about it >and ask me >if I’d like a refill. >And when I say >I don’t want one >unless they have a bathroom >they tell me >that I’ve sat >for the time >that a cup of coffee >buys me. >So, I walk next door >and jump into the bathroom >of a fancy hotel >which clearly says >it’s for customers only. >Luckily, next year, >they’re installing >seven portapotties >in Santa Cruz. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet >connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. >https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:15:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Terrie Relf Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People exchange links. I've "invited" people to link. Others have invited themselves. When I write article, I cite web sites, which isn't the same, but if it happened to me, and I wasn't aware of the posting, then I would contact them. I think it depends on the situation. Are they giving them "free" advertising? Is the site in any way misrepresenting them, etc. There are a few people out there who could answer this legally. Visit writersweekly.com. Angela Adair is a mother lion! Ter > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist does have the work on public display already. > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of this query. > > Thanks for any responses! > > Brian Clements ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:15:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This poem is dedicated to all who place gazetteer information on the web so that we can produce accurate research results. Bowmansville, NY Bowmansville is located on the banks of the Ellicott River. Ellicott River? Ellicott Creek Bowmansville is named for Isalah Bowman His name was Eli He ran a frigging grist mill Pop. 600 maybe well all right Is everyone who lives in Bowmansville blood-related I ask No he says New people are coming in all the time Oh I say Do they know they are coming to Bowmansville ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:27:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's one about a little town in New Hampshire a little ways north of Hanover on the Connecticut: "Lyme, NH" At the general store, you can buy cantaloupes and tamed singing tigers with long, thin whiskers flat against their muzzles. The intown graveyard like the spiked bottom of a running shoe. The left cannon on the green balanced now like a man on a high girder -- some elaborate show for the what in the belfry, jump down. In the library, the shelf for septic tanks bulges like a grocery bag full of cans. Each year, the platinum librarian considers expanding. With so many hills, the residents are always leaning. Ken ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:48:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: <20031203022622.FSMW1903.imf24aec.mail.bellsouth.net@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This poem was written when I lived in Mt. Pleasant South Carolina, just outside Charleston, on the edge of the marshland edging the harbor. "Pluff" is the rich, black marsh mud famous in "the Lowcountry," tho the word isn't in any of my dictionaries. Steve -- at edges it comes into view at edges, this bird knows how to read, eats, perches in pluff, obscure in shadow struggles, the worm, out/side is in/side, like flip & flop, heard you breathing, plasm wriggle, across this distance, day unstops each moment, a secret from the next, a bounding line, jumps without thickness, vision held in mist, looks askance & fall into my own step, step into my own fall ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:51:39 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 This one comes from the heart (of a cow in Kentucky, just off rt. 645, a few miles north of Rawlston): ENJOY!!! Milk is not Cow Cum Ma! Ma! Milk is not cow cum! Gristle Mist frothy old dungbarrel What? What? Milk me milk me you son of a bitch! Grizzly Moss slippy and dumbarton Jism Road is an accident to be is not responsible for Four! Five! Come! Come! Just above roadsign slips cranberry Ha! Ha! Nig and Nag, below and refro (subduct cornfield, mmm) Kid! Kid! Come! Come! Come? Cow cum, Ma! mmm, Milk! -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:06:05 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest Spanish version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 new Spanish version available! La leche no es vaca cum ¡MA! ¡MA! ¡La leche no es vaca cum! Dungbarrel espumoso de la niebla del gristle viejo ¿Qué? ¿Qué? ¡Ordéñeme me ordeñan usted hijo de una perra! Musgo de Grizzly slippy y Dumbarton ¡El camino de Jism es un accidente a ser no es responsable de cuatro! ¡Cinco! ¡Venido! ¡Venido! ¡Apenas sobre roadsign desliza el arándano ha! ¡Ha! Nig y queja, abajo y refro (campo de maíz del subduct, mmm) ¡Cabrito! ¡Cabrito! ¡Venido! ¡Venido! ¿Venido? ¡Vaca cum, mA! ¡mmm, leche! -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:40:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Had I a vote, I'd vote for Kirby's piece, but.as a former subscriber of = "The Binghamton Sun" and a native of the valley, I had to offer an = alternative view of the place.=20 Binghamton, NY 1954 A youth sunning on Chenango's shore at that grassy spot where wildly she pours=20 her brown and gurgling hill-born swill into the broader shouldered Susquehanna southbound for Pennsylvania's rockier lore, spews his uncaught sperm into the rill returning to Binghamton an untaught na=EFve native son who then snatched crayfish under a bright Binghamton sun. =20 Alex Saliby - Original Message ----- From: "Brian Clements" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest > Having lived in Binghamton, I feel qualified to proclaim Kirby Olson = the winner of his own contest without seeing the other entries. His entry = paints that town in its best light. Binghamton's saving grace passed on with = Milt Kessler. > > bc > > Kirby Olson wrote: > While waiting for Mairead to put together a new group poem, I would = like to read short poems on places for my new contest. I wish the last two = lines of the poem were a lot better, but I am hoping this will inspire others = by not setting the bar too high as I would if for instance I put in a poem = by WCW > or Reznikoff. I'd like to close the contest on December 13, a = Saturday. I was hoping the poems would be relatively short (under 15 lines) and = based on real places. At most two poems per poet. If nobody else registers then I win. > > BINGHAMTON, NY > > The old & ugly town of Binghamton > The roads have craters in them > Six o'clock shadows on the faces at noon > Abandoned food stores > Old ads > Busses > Dingy street lamps > The whole town's a pit > Everybody's used to it > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:06:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mickey o'connor Subject: poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed il faut s'amuser, non ? i don't know why i used it al ginsberg says different what's his face says ancient birch trees form letters white paper white assertions no perpendiculars in nature a priori modes more than erstwhile rage ? content to stream beyond my hand the milky way ? summon the muses i don't know i buy the whole theory frankly one is always addressing somebody it is you i address not her or her or her it is you i shall address her then zing gimmee i need a name is all no nothing without a name i don't desire refurbishment rearrangement of anyone's basement doormat intact it is flower's heavy sway how the fuck no rage predominate o.k. only confusion ? clarity you said i heard you opened a door i there's something wrong with you funny odd strange horror is old i saw black shroud last night & shiver goes & sees things lucid i said " confusion " you said " hell's bells mixes help alone " my love was so true you want me for what something ? i imagine any hell i'm due involvement knows candor when i don't know a p.o. box # from chairman mao's long march some hole here all this & want one night i lay here in the sky & saw some maybes & what was there before i quit ? maybe confusion all said maybe not there's another goddamn letter or more nights somewhere hesitation pills arrive in pictures loss needs oxygen to free its' molecular anyway how is it that it occurs on this place outside & between bodies ? how devoted withheld glory fuck these words stuck to the ground & reinforce tremulous cloud parades terminal shuffle ? long gone empty air aspires to a mistake it always returns before indispensible logic tells logistics brain " digit replacement equals love in a two tiered metropolis " i saw her eye glow din of an aeroplane brought nothing no rhythm no poems no nothing not a goddamn thing how disgust poetry thievery no escape from sight buddhism wrong-way street joy ride cogitate undulate i don't exist maybe write longer lines is all undone ? world seen heard felt ill retrieved no bound at disaster's marvel nearly instantaneous language accuracy spilt arrows on going on alongside actual death of blather ? telegraphic corporeal parameters measured in moans & sighs exclamatory remarks incendiary pavement she said everything broken this life a space where a door opens & closes why not make a list of any woman's carnation ? sky azure vast awhile waves & just like that the fucking enemy shows up _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 21:24:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daphne Gottlieb Subject: back to the bathhouses in SF! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, All! This is my first post here, but I wanted to let you all know about an = incredibly delicious reading/performance series in San Francisco! This is my SMEGMA An invocation of old school bathhouse entertainment Hosted by Kirk Read At Club Eros 2051 Market Street at Church, across from Safeway $5-10 sliding scale, no one turned away, your door pays performers All genders welcome December 4, 8pm, Thursday Charlie Anders Lynn Breedlove Jaime Cortez Daphne Gottlieb Doug Stevens We'd all love to see you if you can come and play on Thursday! ----- Final Girl, currently lauded by the Village Voice, Publisher's Weekly, = and all sorts of smartypants folks, out now on Soft Skull Press. Whatcha = waiting for? Share the love. Why Things Burn, Firecracker award winner. Lambda Lit Finalist. www.finalgirl.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:54:34 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: No Subject MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/02/03 5:34:22 PM, schwartzgk@MSN.COM writes: > Murat: > > Who's going to be the publisher? Release date? > > Best, > Gerald Schwartz > > The publisher is Talisman Books. The book will be out in about six weeks. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 00:59:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Questions Simple MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "furniture_ press" To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: Questions Simple > Hi, folks. > > I'm doing some straight up answer mongering but I'm using very simple questions to garner some very complex answers. I'm helping some of the students I work with in understanding the roles and tasks of poetry in a less than conventional light. By asking for responses I show them that there is an amalgam of taste that abounds and that the mainstream workshop ethic is no longer, or should not be the mainstay. > > So here goes, please take these questions in any direction, and please feel free to pick apart! > > 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? Whether or not the task is the task is not certain. What it does put out there is what we're passing through. A snapshot. Little more. > > 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? Meaning's always out... beyond... on some horizon... a constant horizon, some of which we live, believing (perhaps) we're hanging meaning on. > > 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? The occasion warrants us. Living each word and coming through... coming out through... and being present is a responsibility. > 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? Even as attentive as we can be as searchers, we're never mastering positions. Evr, Gerald Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:10:27 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: Of puppets, dolls, movie deals, and ancient Sumeria Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lester wants you to know he's not a sock puppet, though he does deeply appreciate the kind attention lavished on his perpetually unpublished book by Ron. Lester's book is currently unavailable, though allegedly he is working on a movie deal in conjunction with Poetry Magazine. I think Schwerner does not turn inside-out Lester, and Lester doesn't quite turn Schwerner inside-out. If anything, Lester's concerns are quite similar. Both works are fake fakes. (of which there aren't many - I can only add to this list Barry MacSweeney's Postcards from hitler and Jack Spicer's After Lorca - please see Jacket #17 for further discussion: http://jacketmagazine.com/17/herron.html ) I would say that one major difference between Les and AS, since both are poetic series, is that Schwerner's diachronic approach is present-to-past while Lester's is future-to-present. Both are concerned with the perceived authority of poetic language. Lester's book plays with the immediate and imagined future in order to tap into the manipulative gestures of timelessness, while Schwerner's taps into the distant and imagined past in order to tap into the manipualtive getures of contemporary meaning. (Maybe this is how they are in reverse?) Neither Lester's future nor Schwerner's past ever happened or will happen. Ron - I hope that all goes well with Krishna's procedure. My thoughts are with you and your family. Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:19:41 -0800 From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog -- BloggerForum Top Ten Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net >Armand Schwerner's Tablets - >The idea of the long poem as fake >(Turning the sock puppet inside out) > > >http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ The pantoum Ron quotes on the blog is in Selected Shorter Poems (Junction Press: 1999, 142 pages), which is available from yours truly. Cover price is US$16 ($13 for list members) plus postage. It gathers poems from his difficult-to-find books, as well as about a dozen poems never collected before. Armand made the initial selection and allowed some additions and subtractions at my request. We finished it a few months before his death. Many of the poems are, in their very different way, as wonderful as the best of The Tablets. The translations of Dante (he completed 12 cantos of the Inferno) with incredibly generous notes, not only on Dante's text but on his translation process, was published by Talisman in 2000, cover price $13.95. It's brilliant. I don't know if it's still available but my guess is that it is. I'm editing a posthumous volume, containing unpublished poems from all periods in his career (about 150 pages) for publication in 2004 or 2005. Armand was one of the small handful of US poets of his generation that I think should be required reading. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 01:13:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Derrida and Age (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 12:42:45 -0800 From: Joel Weishaus To: Alan Sondheim Subject: Derrida and Age "I've always believed everyone has more than one age, and I carry three ages within myself. When I was 20 I felt old and wise, but now I feel like a child. There's an element of melancholy to this, because although I feel young in my heart, I know objectively that I'm not young. The second age I carry is my real age of 72, and every day I'm confronted with signs that remind me of it. The third age I carry -- and this is something I only feel in France -- is the age I was when I began to publish, which was 35. 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The environment is at som best*ar av 56 bitar. minut.. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:22:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: FW: short poems about place MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 Short Poems About Place by Joel Lipman "What Columbus Missed" locates itself 2 1/2 miles outside Belize City, = BZ, alongside a public housing development. "Fusion" overlooks the = refineries of St Charles, LA. What Columbus Missed Northern Highway Mile 2 1/2, Soweto Without the music ... Fusion (St. Charles, Louisiana) wide lot orange suspenders =20 equatorial oil quacking gigantic golden environmental sax lead -- madness we'd call it if not such gorgeous music ... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 07:41:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? In-Reply-To: <001e01c3b928$718e7de0$cefdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Would that it were so simple. I might have added that the visual artist in question is out of pocket, in the Canadian wilderness for several months. Thus the reason for my question. I agree that hot-linking to specific images is a no-no. The general tenor of responses seems to be that a simple URL would be acceptable, though. bc -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joel Weishaus Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 5:03 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? Ask permission. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? > if you're simply providing a url to go to, then there's no problem...if > you're hotlinking to specific images, then there will definitely be a > problem... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Clements" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 2:49 PM > Subject: Ethics of Linking? > > > > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a > commercial website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice > acceptable for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary > publication access to visual work to which a poem in the literary > publication alludes? On one hand it seems this could be interpreted as > threatening to the visual artist, but on the other hand the visual artist > does have the work on public display already. > > > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in > question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of > this query. > > > > Thanks for any responses! > > > > Brian Clements > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:51:27 -0500 Reply-To: ronhenry@clarityconnect.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You wrote: >Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a >commercial website owned by a visual artist? It's unclear exactly what you're describing. It almost sounds like it's not a "link" but a use of a HTML tag to appropriate an online image into your own page (the sort of thing bloggers do all the time, for ex.). I'd say, if the image spontaneously appears inline on your poetry page with the poem, then it's certainly bad practice. If, however, you simply provide a button or text link that directs the reader to the artist's page and lets her or him find the image in question -- that's might or might not be okay. It would be bad if you are sending someone to an "inner" page on a site that the artist might not want users to jump to directly, particularly if it means they see the artist's work without encountering prefatory copyright or descriptive text first. Of course, either way, I would urge you to contact the artist and get his or her blessing or permission. Good luck, Ron Henry, AUGHT http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/aught.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:00:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: <3FCD2261.91FFB979@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" kirby, my experience with contemporary poetry in academe is that there are generally only a few faculty (more than one can be rare) who know, or care, anything about it... let alone register the number of concerns/questions you indicate in your post (and i'm with you, btw, as far as asking new/old questions)... i think rasula's ~american poetry wax museum~ goes a helluva long way to unpacking this unfortunate state of affairs... but i don't see in any case why the emphases you outline are in any sense mutually exclusive... one can want art to do any number of things, yes?... that some scholars (let's just say) might be insensitive to some kinds of questions, well---i'll grant that right off... but creative writers, poets incl., are often equally insensitive to other kinds of questions... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:36:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: New@My Home Pages Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed New @ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/new.html Essays: "The Difficult Poem" -- reprinted from Harper's (June 2003) "Close Listening: Poetry and the Performed Word" -- from My Way: Speeches and Poems Audio: "Soul Under" -- 1980 recording of a poem from Shade, MP3 (via Ubuweb) from Sugar, Alcohol, and Meat (Giorno Poetry Systems) http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bernstein/new ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:44:33 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: xStream #16 online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline xStream -- Issue #16 xStream Issue #16 is online: 1. Regular: Works from 7 poets (Paul Hardacre, Steven Timm, Gary West, Andrew Lundwall, Mark Palmer, Vernon Frazier and Peter Ganick) 2. Autoissue: Computer-generated poems from Issue #16 texts, the whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", every refresh. 3. Collaboration Issue: Human-computer interaction with Michael Rothenberg. Submissions are welcome, please send to xstream@xpressed.org. Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:03:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? In-Reply-To: <20031202224902.74563.qmail@web80405.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Actually, I don't think it's a problem at all. If the artist's work is online and you link to it, she'll likely appreciate the new visitors you send her way. A link is a reference--like a footnote or other citation--for the reader to follow for further information. As long as you don't actually post the artist's work itself (for instance, by grabbing a jpg or gif of a painting from the original site and reposting it on another), you should be in the clear. What you're saying, basically, is "Hey, look at that!" and "that" is already an approved use of the work. As with most cases of permission, when something is clearly fair use--and directing readers of your poem to the art about which you're writing certainly doesn't infringe on the artist's copyright--it's best NOT to ask permission. The Chicago Manual of Style recommends this approach to offline writing, at least. Though the artist might appreciate knowing you've written about her! s on 12/2/03 5:49 PM, Brian Clements at clementsfamily@SBCGLOBAL.NET wrote: > A question from a lurker for those of you who are up on web ethics: > > Is it acceptable for an online literary publication to link to a commercial > website owned by a visual artist? Specifically, is this practice acceptable > for the purpose of providing the readers of the literary publication access to > visual work to which a poem in the literary publication alludes? On one hand > it seems this could be interpreted as threatening to the visual artist, but on > the other hand the visual artist does have the work on public display already. > > Disclaimer--this is not a hypothetical question, and I am the poet in > question, publisher and visual artist to remain anonymous for purposes of this > query. > > Thanks for any responses! > > Brian Clements ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:38:17 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Here is my entrée. rob asked about C'ndas poet laureate. he's in londonOnt. A little context. London Ontario is a North American test city. companies try out new products in london to see if they will sell. everything from the Neighbourhood Watch program to cubes of 24 cans of coke. thanks, kevin londonOnt penguins smalltowns huddled one the berg one our antactic neighbourhoods million shivering mirrors watching frozen gopherholes tuxedos suburbs borrowed image fun sprawling urban cornfieldance housewine snobbery floor designer wetdream mascara rainbows hides eye clownsmear skylines of londonOnt test market dupestar terrible facimile pavement city black urban crisscross smelling the soon melting town turned traffic messedup potholes in the springtime londonOnt mytown cosmopolitan no cosmetic like any on the 401 surgery transplant capital of many little mirrors ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:58:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable thanks for this fun, kirby. enjoying the posts. hsn also 'cause it reminded me of what i left in my last notebook ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: awkward in home state but road signs comforted each step of the way through meade, atlas, clio, auburn, au sable, herron, hawks, grace, paradise, au train, aura, l=B9anse, calumet, choate, caspian, alpha, mashek, kipling, gulliver, garnet, rondo, grayling, omena, solon, yuma, nirvana, idlewild, white cloud, amble, trufant, cascade, saranac, ionia, pompeii, ithaca, nort= h star, ovid, byron, argentine, saline, milan, azalia, adrian, lulu, blissfield, samaria, temperance ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:08:22 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: [Lit-med] Call For Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Felice Aull, Ph.D." To: "lit-med" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: [Lit-med] Call For Submissions > >From Stephanie Brown Clark: > > Hi everyone, > > I've been enjoying the introductions from all of you. I am an MD with a PhD > in medical history/English literature in our Division of Medical Humanities. > I teach med students and some residents at the University of Rochester > Medical Centre. In addition to medical history and literature in courses and > electives, I've helped organize some student- run humanities projects--one > of them is an anthology of clerkship stories written by fourth years and > given as gifts to incoming clinical clerks. And this year, several talented > medical students who write poetry are soliciting poems for a planned > anthology of poetry. > Please see the call for submissions below. If you can post at your > institutions and let others know, we would appreciate it. > > Stephanie > > > Call For Submissions: > WRITING THE MEDICAL TRAINING EXPERIENCE > First poetry anthology chronicling the transformation from medical student > to attending > ____________________________________________________________________________ > __ > > Possible topics include (but are not limited to): Clinic and ward > experiences (please change all names and identifying information of patients > and staff), didactic years, studying for boards, research, activism in > medical school, gender, minority, disabled, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and > transgender issues in medical school, applying to medical school, deciding > on a specialty, MD/PhD work, patient encounters, friendships, relationships, > partners, and loved ones in medical school, etc. > > Please place your work into one of 10 categories (see below). These > categories are a chronological categorization of the process of becoming a > physician. They can be written by anyone, not only physicians or physicians > in training. They can include the perspectives of patients, nurses, nursing > students, physician assistants, therapists, hospital staff, etc. What is > important is that there be a direct observation of a physician at his or her > level of training. > > When categorizing your work, you can simply consider the period covered in > the poem. For example, a poem categorized as "Third Year" could be about an > event on the wards that actually occurred during a physician-in-training's > third year of medical school. You could also categorize your work based upon > which period most informs the piece. For example, a piece could be written > by an attending and categorized as "Attending," even though the event in > question may have occurred earlier during the physician's training. This > could be done, in this example, if the author feels the piece is most > informed by his or her present role as an attending. We realize there are > other ways your work can be categorized. We leave these categorical choices > up to each poet. > > Pre-Med > First Year > Second Year > Third Year > Fourth Year > MD/PhD work/Other research > Year out experiences > Internship > Residency > Fellowship > Attending > > Submission Criteria: > Submit up to 5 pieces. Poems should be no more than 1,000 words. E-mail > submissions by January 31, 2004. Please e-mail submissions as Word document > attachments in Times New Roman 12 point font. Send submissions and inquiries > to or > . > > Include the following in the text message: your name, address, telephone, > name of medical school, year in medical school if currently enrolled, > current title and hospital/clinic if beyond medical school, and e-mail > address. Please indicate if you would like your submission to be published > anonymously. Participants will be informed by March 31, 2004 if their work > has been selected. > ____________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________ > Project Editors: > . Neeta Jain, 4th year medical student, University of Rochester > School of Medicine > . Dagan Coppock, 4th year medical student,Yale University School of > Medicine > . Mai Tran, 2nd year medical student, Medical College of Ohio > > Project Advisor: > Stephanie Brown-Clark, MD, PhD, Asst. Professor, Division of Medical > Humanities > University of Rochester School of Medicine > > > > Felice Aull, Ph.D., M.A. > Associate Professor of Physiology & Neuroscience > Editor-in-chief, Literature, Arts,and Medicine Database > New York University School of Medicine > 550 First Avenue > New York, NY 10016 > Tel. 212-263-5401 > Fax. 212-689-9060 (Physiology) > 212-263-8542 (Lit., Arts, Med) > email: felice.aull@med.nyu.edu > Database URL: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/index.html > Medical Humanities URL: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/medhum.html > _______________________________________________ > Lit-med mailing list > Lit-med@popmail.med.nyu.edu > http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/mailman/listinfo/lit-med ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:16:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's Miami, Michael R. ------------------------------ GRASSHOPPER for Erika Lately I fear I'll die, suddenly, at a critical time In my career, outside of history And she will know I've always loved her blighted palms, coral ruins Blood-shapely artifacts, lightning Pasted on black sky, high-rise hotels Teeth in salt-worn jaw clamped on a planetary skyline Tragic city! You love everyone but can't live with yourself Dozing under clouded weight of a gray storm Hammers pummel concrete into limestone graves There goes the ghost of the man who was my doctor Bouquets scream with summer's melting petals Miami July16, 1997 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 11:08 AM Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest > Here is my entrée. rob asked about C'ndas poet laureate. he's in > londonOnt. > > A little context. London Ontario is a North American test city. companies > try out new products in london to see if they will sell. everything from > the Neighbourhood Watch program to cubes of 24 cans of coke. > > thanks, > kevin > londonOnt > > penguins smalltowns > huddled one the berg one our antactic neighbourhoods > million shivering mirrors watching frozen gopherholes > > tuxedos suburbs > borrowed image fun sprawling urban cornfieldance > housewine snobbery floor designer wetdream > > mascara rainbows > hides eye clownsmear skylines of londonOnt > test market dupestar terrible facimile > > pavement city > black urban crisscross smelling the soon melting > town turned traffic messedup potholes in the springtime > > londonOnt mytown > cosmopolitan no cosmetic like any on the 401 > surgery transplant capital of many little mirrors > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:19:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: <3FCCEA07.696CA80D@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit True Story Cut-N-Shoot's a town in Texas population one one five eight, an hour north of Houston and east a bit from Conroe. The highway sometimes say "and" but the citizens don't pronounce it. "I'm gonna cut around the corner and shoot back through them bushes in a minute," a local boy remarked, in the middle of a town-wide argument about their choice of new church steeple, or who should be the preacher, or who owned the church's land, or something like that. on 12/2/03 2:37 PM, Kirby Olson at olsonjk@DELHI.EDU wrote: > While waiting for Mairead to put together a new group poem, I would like to > read short poems on places for my new contest. I wish the last two lines of > the poem were a lot better, but I am hoping this will inspire others by not > setting the bar too high as I would if for instance I put in a poem by WCW > or Reznikoff. I'd like to close the contest on December 13, a Saturday. I > was hoping the poems would be relatively short (under 15 lines) and based on > real places. At most two poems per poet. If nobody else registers then I > win. > > BINGHAMTON, NY > > The old & ugly town of Binghamton > The roads have craters in them > Six o'clock shadows on the faces at noon > Abandoned food stores > Old ads > Busses > Dingy street lamps > The whole town's a pit > Everybody's used to it ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:55:17 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII and here is my current home. the oldest city in north america, St. John's, Newfoundland. The Foghorn a mitten covered yawn floats through the mist attack watery decay beats on my house through my kitchen wall that light from a church inadequate blue guide lost on the water nautical disaster breaking like a promise on the radio listened for the harbour listening like sonar searching for connections my feet are cold on this kitchen floor and the table is telling me stories hearing the horn often the rising and the falling writing to this rhythm -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:21:20 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT aw, i know where he is. he was even complaining abt snow a day or so ago. ha. know he knows how the rest of us live. rob > >Here is my entrée. rob asked about C'ndas poet laureate. he's in >londonOnt. > >A little context. London Ontario is a North American test city. companies >try out new products in london to see if they will sell. everything from >the Neighbourhood Watch program to cubes of 24 cans of coke. > >thanks, >kevin > londonOnt > > penguins smalltowns > huddled one the berg one our antactic neighbourhoods > million shivering mirrors watching frozen gopherholes > > tuxedos suburbs > borrowed image fun sprawling urban cornfieldance > housewine snobbery floor designer wetdream > > mascara rainbows > hides eye clownsmear skylines of londonOnt > test market dupestar terrible facimile > > pavement city > black urban crisscross smelling the soon melting >town turned traffic messedup potholes in the springtime > > londonOnt mytown > cosmopolitan no cosmetic like any on the 401 > surgery transplant capital of many little mirrors > > -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:28:13 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT oldest city? now yr just showin off. rob > >and here is my current home. the oldest city in north america, St. John's, >Newfoundland. > >The Foghorn > >a mitten covered yawn >floats through the mist >attack watery decay >beats on my house >through my kitchen wall >that light from a church >inadequate blue guide >lost on the water >nautical disaster >breaking like a promise >on the radio >listened for the harbour >listening like sonar >searching for connections >my feet are cold on this kitchen floor >and the table is telling me stories >hearing the horn often >the rising and the falling >writing to this rhythm > > >-- > > -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:02:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: [Lit-med] Call For Submissions Comments: cc: aullf01@endeavor.med.nyu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, I am a poet and editor of BlazeVOX2k3 and I dabble in Gastroenterology. Right now I am looking for other poets and non-established medical practioners to help with a paper on prolonged and inducible transgene expression in the liver using gutless adenovirus as a possible therapy for liver cancer. Any help would be wonderful. Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza __o _`\<,_ (*) / (*) BlazeVOX2k3; Editor : http://www.blazevox.org Thanksgiving Dinner 2003 : http://www.blazevox.org/goose/Index.htm Full Artist Site : http://www.blazevox.org/gatza Starcherone Books : http://www.starcherone.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Fw: [Lit-med] Call For Submissions > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Felice Aull, Ph.D." > To: "lit-med" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: [Lit-med] Call For Submissions > > > > >From Stephanie Brown Clark: > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I've been enjoying the introductions from all of you. I am an MD with a > PhD > > in medical history/English literature in our Division of Medical > Humanities. > > I teach med students and some residents at the University of Rochester > > Medical Centre. In addition to medical history and literature in courses > and > > electives, I've helped organize some student- run humanities > projects--one > > of them is an anthology of clerkship stories written by fourth years and > > given as gifts to incoming clinical clerks. And this year, several > talented > > medical students who write poetry are soliciting poems for a planned > > anthology of poetry. > > Please see the call for submissions below. If you can post at your > > institutions and let others know, we would appreciate it. > > > > Stephanie > > > > > > Call For Submissions: > > WRITING THE MEDICAL TRAINING EXPERIENCE > > First poetry anthology chronicling the transformation from medical student > > to attending > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > __ > > > > Possible topics include (but are not limited to): Clinic and ward > > experiences (please change all names and identifying information of > patients > > and staff), didactic years, studying for boards, research, activism in > > medical school, gender, minority, disabled, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and > > transgender issues in medical school, applying to medical school, deciding > > on a specialty, MD/PhD work, patient encounters, friendships, > relationships, > > partners, and loved ones in medical school, etc. > > > > Please place your work into one of 10 categories (see below). These > > categories are a chronological categorization of the process of becoming a > > physician. They can be written by anyone, not only physicians or > physicians > > in training. They can include the perspectives of patients, nurses, > nursing > > students, physician assistants, therapists, hospital staff, etc. What is > > important is that there be a direct observation of a physician at his or > her > > level of training. > > > > When categorizing your work, you can simply consider the period covered in > > the poem. For example, a poem categorized as "Third Year" could be about > an > > event on the wards that actually occurred during a physician-in-training's > > third year of medical school. You could also categorize your work based > upon > > which period most informs the piece. For example, a piece could be written > > by an attending and categorized as "Attending," even though the event in > > question may have occurred earlier during the physician's training. This > > could be done, in this example, if the author feels the piece is most > > informed by his or her present role as an attending. We realize there are > > other ways your work can be categorized. We leave these categorical > choices > > up to each poet. > > > > Pre-Med > > First Year > > Second Year > > Third Year > > Fourth Year > > MD/PhD work/Other research > > Year out experiences > > Internship > > Residency > > Fellowship > > Attending > > > > Submission Criteria: > > Submit up to 5 pieces. Poems should be no more than 1,000 words. E-mail > > submissions by January 31, 2004. Please e-mail submissions as Word > document > > attachments in Times New Roman 12 point font. Send submissions and > inquiries > > to or > > . > > > > Include the following in the text message: your name, address, telephone, > > name of medical school, year in medical school if currently enrolled, > > current title and hospital/clinic if beyond medical school, and e-mail > > address. Please indicate if you would like your submission to be published > > anonymously. Participants will be informed by March 31, 2004 if their work > > has been selected. > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > ________________________________________ > > Project Editors: > > . Neeta Jain, 4th year medical student, University of Rochester > > School of Medicine > > . Dagan Coppock, 4th year medical student,Yale University School of > > Medicine > > . Mai Tran, 2nd year medical student, Medical College of Ohio > > > > Project Advisor: > > Stephanie Brown-Clark, MD, PhD, Asst. Professor, Division of Medical > > Humanities > > University of Rochester School of Medicine > > > > > > > > Felice Aull, Ph.D., M.A. > > Associate Professor of Physiology & Neuroscience > > Editor-in-chief, Literature, Arts,and Medicine Database > > New York University School of Medicine > > 550 First Avenue > > New York, NY 10016 > > Tel. 212-263-5401 > > Fax. 212-689-9060 (Physiology) > > 212-263-8542 (Lit., Arts, Med) > > email: felice.aull@med.nyu.edu > > Database URL: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/lit-med-db/index.html > > Medical Humanities URL: http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/lit-med/medhum.html > > _______________________________________________ > > Lit-med mailing list > > Lit-med@popmail.med.nyu.edu > > http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/mailman/listinfo/lit-med > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 11:30:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable document scrap: Calgary bow river, an el without returns or some justified reason to see a, an, et all advance. to share the chinook delivery. this is I in you, the why about diligence and snowfall. form bridgeland over memorial drive, a line an advance, in returns, being mountains. some benign fort: we should see the sun burn up the buildings at around seven thirty with some coffee. Words just words, some letters, a move implies time, read: get this new quiet inside. nothing more then nothing less. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:35:08 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? In-Reply-To: <003101c3b927$ed6a36d0$9d7bfea9@duration> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Jerrold Shiroma wrote: >if you're simply providing a url to go to, then there's no problem...if >you're hotlinking to specific images, then there will definitely be a >problem... > I agree. Normal linking is by most people regarded as the same thing as a reference in a book - the only exception (and I don't believe this is a crucial difference) is that the very access to the referenced work is much easier - it's a mouseclick away. There is a movement nowadays among lawyers and others to "criminalize" this kind of linking and force people to ask permission for this. Or to permit linking to the start page but not "deep linking" to pages further down in the site hierarchy. I personally have always encouraged people to link and deep link to my pages (The Art Bin Magazine I have tried for about eight years to preseve with the same file structure in order not to make all the deep links out there invalid). I think this is an essential quality in the web that should be defended. Without links there wouldn't be any web. I never understood why people appear on the web with their work in the first place if they don't wish to get linked. Using frames or "kidnapping" somebody else's image via an IMG tag to one's own web page is as is said above a totally different matter. Then you use another persons content for your own purposes out of the original context. I suppose there could be cases were this borders on the right to quote within the concept of fair use, but in most cases it does not. Karl-Erik Tallmo -- _________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, writer, editor ARCHIVE: http://www.nisus.se/archive/artiklar.html BOOK: http://www.nisus.se/gorgias ANOTHER BOOK: http://www.copyrighthistory.com MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com _________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:24:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a very old poem indeed about a suburb north of Chicago.=20 -Ravi=20 Lake Forest, Illinois =20 For Sonya Sklaroff=20 The way was through the lawns and past the purr of luxury sedans turning into driveways gated by electronic eyes=20 and marble beasts. You spoke of how light steals=20 away each dawn which compels the brush=20 to sweep hue across the canvas, not to distill=20 the moment=92s sky=97it has already forgotten how to look=97but rather, to satisfy=20 some twinge, the reason why you wake=20 at five each morning to paint. Overhearing=20 two mothers debate the merits of cash- mere versus the pragmatism of wool,=20 we concluded that these suburbs were so safe they were lethal. And then conversation stopped; looming into the fog, without=20 an ocean=92s roar or salty slap, and down=20 a forested precipice was Lake Michigan:=20 vast, imbued and unfathomable.=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 10:29:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: Ethics of Linking? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you're also 'stealing' someone else's bandwidth in this instance...which is a legal no-no... > Using frames or "kidnapping" somebody else's image via an IMG tag to > one's own web page is as is said above a totally different matter. > Then you use another persons content for your own purposes out of the > original context. I suppose there could be cases were this borders on > the right to quote within the concept of fair use, but in most cases > it does not. > > Karl-Erik Tallmo > > > -- > > _________________________________________________________________ > > KARL-ERIK TALLMO, writer, editor > > ARCHIVE: http://www.nisus.se/archive/artiklar.html > BOOK: http://www.nisus.se/gorgias > ANOTHER BOOK: http://www.copyrighthistory.com > MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com > _________________________________________________________________ > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:34:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City 12 Now Available Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward --------------- Boog City 12, December 2003 Now Available featuring: --Columnist-at-large Greg Fuchs interviews Major Douglas Martin, Chief Officer of Santa Tracking at NORAD --East Village Editor Merry Fortune on the neighborhood she's known and the Whole Earth Bakery --B. Friday reviews Jim Flynn's Stranger to the System, a collection of minibiographies of some homeless people living in and around Tompkins Square Park --Nancy Seewald's Eating Well on a Lousy But Steady Income on Lil Frankie's --Music editor Jon Berger on the Domestics debut CD and what CDs to give your loved ones for the holidays (by artists whose CDs there's no chance they already own) --Steve Carll on Continuous Peasant's debut CD --Small press editor Jane Sprague on Dana Ward's Cy Press Our Printed Matter section, edited by Joanna Sondheim, debuts with: --Eugene Lim on Toby Olson's The Blond Box --Jill Magi on Yedda Morrison's Crop --Kathleen Peterson on Robert Duncan's Letters: Poems 1953-1956 --Corey Frost on Gail Scott's My Paris Poems from: --Shanna Compton --John Erhardt --Dan Fisher --Gigi Oliver --Robert Paredez --art from Brenda Iijima --and the December installment of the NYC Poetry Calendar Please patronize our advertisers: Ambit * www.furniturepress.net Bowery Poetry Club * www.bowerypoetry.com The Domestics * www.thedomestics.com Futurepoem books * www.futurepoem.com The Sincere Recording Company * www.sincererecording.com Starcherone Books * www.starcherone.com You can pick up Boog City for free at the following locations: East Village Acme alt.coffee Angelika Theater Anthology Film Archives Bluestockings Bowery Poetry Club Cafe Pick Me Up CBGB's CB's 313 Gallery Cedar Tavern C-Note Continental Lakeside Lounge Life Cafe The Living Room Mission Cafe Nuyorican Poets Cafe The Pink Pony Religious Sex See Hear Shakespeare & Co. St. Mark's Books St. Mark's Church Tonic Tower Video Other parts of Manhattan ACA Galleries Here Hotel Chelsea Poets House Revolution Books in Williamsburg Clovis Press Earwax L Cafe L Cafe to Go Sideshow Gallery Spoonbill & Sugartown Supercore Cafe -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:00:27 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: New Poems About Places MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One for Arizona from _What Of_: Letter of Endearment #23 He died and went to Hell, but Hell wouldn't have him. So he went to Arizona where the standards are lower. State with the highest per capita of lavender R.V.'s outside Kuwait, Arizona is the national birthplace of the twisted hardon. Bases thick as rattlesnakes, it bristles with pause, ham radio waves zazzing the peace like cactus plants on steroids. Arizona's sons and daughters bemoan the Ship of State afloat upon the lacrymosian waters wrung from the national conscience by the liberal press core while they lick each other all over under there; they eat soft cheese and dream of luring multinationals to a deep pocket luncheon, grab ass, group grope, gang bang covered by Eyewitless News for a slot at six. But the social and cultural blight of that geography, Yuma to Four Corners, can only be cured by the self-disembowelment of every man, woman, and child in the state. Requiescat in seltzer. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:34:27 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > Tom, I think that numerous operative phrases can engender poems -- but > perhaps to ask which is the phrase that knocks out other phrases. For > instance Kari Edwards writes poems that seem to hang between hot sex, and > social responsibility. Those two phrases (I'm using Lyotard's wording, > concept, of phrases, which came out of a vocabulary of jazz, I think) aren't > mutually exclusive, but one is often dominant. That is, a hot poem that had > what the poet or critic considered to be a creepy political insinuation in > it, or a politically acceptable poem that lacked combustibility -- ideally, > of course, one should have it all in a poem -- aesthetics, ethics, and all. > But ethics it appears tends to trump aesthetics when they are in > competition. Maybe Kari or others would respond to this. > > And when we read (not just write) what is the phrase that we privilege most > highly? If we get a great poem -- brilliant images, sharp ideas, -- but > it's written by a Futurist like Marinetti and is about throwing grapefruit > from an airplane at fleeing Somalis during the Ethiopian campaign -- will > any critic today praise it for its speed and verve? Take the same poem and > make it a complaint of the airplane above written by the Somali, and will > anybody criticize it for its lack of speed and verve? > > They are not mutually exclusive, these phrases, but they ARE different > questions. Ethics and aesthetics are very different. Erika Kane in All My > Children is aesthetically interesting, but not ethical. Marge Simpson is > ethical, but not aesthetically satisfying. Somehow I think that humor must > challenge accepted idioms (as Marge's hair challenges my idea of hair), and > pull down the > shorts of concepts, and tends toward impiety even toward itself and its own > ends -- whereas political poetry moves in a different direction toward piety > (even if it does so while taking down another's flag and spitting on it, it > has a clear standpoint, while good poems can bask in ambiguity of all > kinds). > > Basically I think a good poem holds interest for whatever reason for a long > period of time. It keeps bringing us back to it. It doesn't necessarily > have an acceptable message -- when I think of Corso's "Marriage," or his > great poem "Bomb," for instance (interestingly, they were both written in > the same week) -- neither poem has a really acceptable message of any kind. > I think this is partially what has led to their neglect. Ginsberg's Howl > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem finally, and nobody who's > once read it can go back to it and reread it for wonder. Well, it's NOT > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is predictable, and I hate to have > to read it over again with students because it gets on my nerves. I find > good messages perhaps too predictable, as they are driven by a set of > issues. I find good people banal in the same way. I prefer good people with > a hint of something unfathomably evil, at least to think about. Or evil > people with a hint of something radiant. > > Thanks for responding, and thanks to Joe, too. > > I'm loving the places poems -- from Francis Raven's first contribution to > the Shanna Comptons and now Michael Rothenberg and others. It's like > catnip. I'm bewildered by how much I enjoy reading them. What is it that > attracts me to geography within poetry? I never read National Geographic. > Curiosity? Something that endlessly provokes curiosity might be what makes > a good poem? The curiosity in the poems themselves, as poets try to see > clearly and jot simultaneously, seems to make for an interesting dance of > consciousness. > > -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 12:47:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT CALGARY, AB or How Poetry Comes to Me Like a young & wrested totality, mechanical Bull how real is it, somebody wants to know, like Oh, it's 1949 Twelve O'Clock High Channels History, Aldon's nice guy-rope Sort of Canada except "_so_ funny," roads north have a sense of Paper Frank, tho I'm not writing you Made peace with Vladimir -- how even is that, like Bingeing Beats amping the night- Lights (doctoral screenplays), words out Like a shine dark gasoline, elbow Somebody here leers sweetly Never times seven, somebody's clever Ad a Camus Klein worm in undies please A ban on open sores abandoned, a Ralph band, a bust top, a puling rag ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:06:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: New Poems About Places In-Reply-To: <3FCE32CB.EC3548BD@louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, this one is *fairly* new-- 4 Lost Towns “I haven’t founded any towns, but frequently have trouble finding them.” —Heilan Yvette Grimes 1. Sadeville, Ohio (pop. 3417). Last seen heading for Kansas. No visible means of support. 2. Kronos, Maine (pop. 278). Perpetually wrapped in fog. Unsighted from the mainland now for thirty years. 3. Pennington, Virginia (pop. 5342). This Piedmont town was raptured up to Heaven, September 21, 1974. 4. Gruff, Vermont (pop. 178). A survey of 56,000 Vermont farmers revealed you can’t get there from anywhere. Hal "I think I think; therefore I think I am." --Ambrose Bierce Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:37:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: <1069873515.3fc4f96b8d4f1@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Howdy folks, A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a metaphor and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care to suggest some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think of would be appreciated back or front channel. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:44:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Comments: To: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Mike, How about May Swenson's great poem "Cut"? In New & Selected Things Taking = Place. =20 Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU 12/03/03 15:32 PM >>> Howdy folks, A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a = metaphor and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care to = suggest some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think of = would be appreciated back or front channel. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:44:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Comments: To: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And I love "Mack the Knife." M www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU 12/03/03 15:32 PM >>> Howdy folks, A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a = metaphor and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care to = suggest some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think of = would be appreciated back or front channel. -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 13:06:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "K. Lorraine Graham" Subject: If you're in New York this weekend... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii some shameless self-promotion: I'll be giving a reading at the Bowery Poetry Club in New York this Saturday. So come say hello if you're in town. -Lorraine -------------------------------- Segue Reading Series at the Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, New York, NY 10012 | Foot of First Street between Houston & Bleecker across the street from CBGB | F/V train to Second Ave | 6 train to Bleecker | 212-614-0505 | "Serving the World Poetry" SATURDAY DECEMBER 6 FROM 4 - 6 PM $4 admission goes to support the readers Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ Susan Clark and K. Lorraine Graham Susan Clark is the editor of Raddle Moon with contributing editors Nicole Brossard, Norma Cole, Erin Mouré and Lisa Robertson, and scout, Catriona Strang. She is the author of: Believing in the World: a reference work (Vancouver: Tsunami Editions, 1987); Suck Glow (Leech Books, Vancouver, forthcoming); Mutability Lyrics (chapbook ms.); Theatre of the New World of the Time (book ms.); Tied to a post: an essay in abstraction; and Bad Infinity. She has made installations, a video collaboration, and a number of handmade book/installation pieces. She works in Vancouver and electronically as a book editor, copy editor, indexer and typesetter. Lorraine Graham edits Anomaly, a magazine of innovative poetry and poetics with a focus on writers in greater Washington, DC. Her poetry and book reviews have appeared or are forthcoming in Primary Writing, The Tangent, So to Speak: a Feminist Journal of Language and Art, The Review of Contemporary Fiction, and elsewhere. Dear [Blank] I Believe in Other Worlds, is forthcoming from Phylum Press. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:14:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: <1070483834.3fce497a9faa4@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit below is something by two canadian poets that i enjoyed while a teenager. best, david --- Drivin' home this evening I coulda sworn we had it all worked out You had this boy believin' Way beyond the shadow of a doubt The I heard it on the street I heard you mighta found somebody new Well who is he baby - who is he And tell me what he means to you I took it all for granted But how was I to know That you'd be letting go Now it cuts like a knife But it feels so right It cuts like a knife But it feels so right There's times I've 'bin mistaken There's tines I thought I'd 'bin misunderstood So wait a minute darlin' Can't you see we did the best we could This would be the first time Things have gone astray Now you've thrown it all away Now it cuts like a knife But it feels so right It cuts like a knife But it feels so right -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:53:10 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Shaunanne Tangney Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These may be a little far afield, but doesn't Dickinson have a poem with the line "the severed hand is an ugly thing"--or is that Jeffers--and speaking of, if an ax counts, there is Jeffers' _The Double Axe_ (and LOTS of his stuff), also Gary Snyder's "Ax Handles." --ShaunAnne On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Dear Mike, > > How about May Swenson's great poem "Cut"? In New & Selected Things > Taking Place. > > Mairead > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>>> mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU 12/03/03 15:32 PM >>> > Howdy folks, > > A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a > metaphor > and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care > to suggest > some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the > Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think > of would > be appreciated back or front channel. > > -m. > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:06:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: <163F91D0-25DB-11D8-871B-000393704F6E@minotstateu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable apollinaire's Zone ends with the brilliant "adieu soleil cou coup=E9," which is echoed ("soleil cou coup=E9") in the title of one of Aim=E9 C=E9saire's books. a dramatic slash-image. and of course the opening of un chien andalou. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:03:12 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: A Chide's Alphabet 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A Chide's Alphabet Issue Three at http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk is now open to the public. Its many angular, curvy, oblong or rhomboid delights include a Special (note capital 's') feature on contemporary German language poetry (Germania and Manuskripte) with 'Missing Bandwidths', an accompanying essay by Andrew Duncan, poetry by Sheila Murphy, Philip Nikolayev, Tom Bell, Tim Allen (with an extensive 'Duck'), Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, Douglas Barbour, Peter Riley, Robin Hamilton, Jill Jones, Angela Gardner, Pierre Joris, Chris Jones, Dee Rimbaud, Jeff Harrison, Paul Croucher, Patrick Herron, extended translations of poetry by Gregor Laschen and, from the Dutch, Nachoem Wijnberg (translated by Andrew Duncan and Karlien van den Breukel). It covers in all work from three continents, with too a short story by Jonathan Taylor and prose from Paul Murphy and, last and of course least, as a sop to editorial exhaustion, a sampler of David Bircumshaw's hyper-text prose or poem 'The Ghost Machine', complete with an interview with a ghost and a talkative bird with doubts about the Almighty and views on literary theory. The German language poets in translation are: Thomas Gruber, Sabine Techel, Hansjörg Schertenleib, Ulf Stolterfoht, Dorothea Grünzweig, Gerhard Falkner, Peter Gosse, Günter Herburger, Heinz Czechowski, Jan Faktor, Max Gad, Gerhard Ochs, Annette Brüggemann, Felix Philipp Ingold, Martina Huegli, JP Jacobs, Paul Wühr, Ute Eitinger, Helwig Brunner and Laschen. All blunders and bad wiring are courtesy the editor and views and credit belong to the contributors. David Bircumshaw Leicester, England Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/ http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/index.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:32:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: <1070483834.3fce497a9faa4@webmail.sas.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If movies are included, remind your student to see or revisit Polansky's *Knife in the Water*. Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted number for?" --George Costanza Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard { Howdy folks, { { A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a metaphor { and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care to suggest { some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the { Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think of would { be appreciated back or front channel. { { -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:22:23 -0500 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: place poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kirby-- Here is a place poem of mine under 15 lines that appeared in House Organ: ------------ Living near the Ohio River Water rises to its own level they said meaning leave this location these people are low to the land. Water people, like the captains of wooden cross-continental ship voyages who never learned to swim so they’d drown quickly. ---------- Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:21:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: the miracle of academia In-Reply-To: <3FCE3AC3.A0E2B52F@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Kirby Olson wrote: > > Ginsberg's Howl > > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem > finally, and nobody who's > > once read it can go back to it and reread it for > wonder. Well, it's NOT > > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is > predictable, and I hate to have > > to read it over again with students because it > gets on my nerves. how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical response to it? i remember having huge arguments about why the third section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut from the poem when it is anthologized. i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the whole point of the incantation wasn't it? but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:22:49 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Also Excalibur and the Lady of the Lake. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit > If movies are included, remind your student to see > or revisit Polansky's *Knife in the Water*. > > Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted > number for?" > --George Costanza > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > { Howdy folks, > { > { A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as a metaphor > { and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. Care to suggest > { some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also the > { Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can think of would > { be appreciated back or front channel. > { > { -m. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:27:20 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Lasko Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Also Psycho and Repulsion. >From: Joel Weishaus >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:22:49 -0800 > >Also Excalibur and the Lady of the Lake. > >-Joel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Halvard Johnson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit > > > > If movies are included, remind your student to see > > or revisit Polansky's *Knife in the Water*. > > > > Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted > > number for?" > > --George Costanza > > Halvard Johnson > > =============== > > email: halvard@earthlink.net > > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > > > { Howdy folks, > > { > > { A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as >a >metaphor > > { and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. >Care >to suggest > > { some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also >the > > { Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can >think >of would > > { be appreciated back or front channel. > > { > > { -m. _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:34:13 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Yeah, Let's hear it for HOWL Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Kazim Ali [mailto:kaajumiah@YAHOO.COM] Sent: Thursday, 4 December 2003 12:22 p.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > Kirby Olson wrote: > > Ginsberg's Howl > > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem > finally, and nobody who's > > once read it can go back to it and reread it for > wonder. Well, it's NOT > > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is > predictable, and I hate to have > > to read it over again with students because it > gets on my nerves. how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical response to it? i remember having huge arguments about why the third section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut from the poem when it is anthologized. i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the whole point of the incantation wasn't it? but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 18:48:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: pretty good Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed do a Google search for "weapons of mass destruction" and use "I'm feeling lucky" button if or just pick the first item. (this procedure will not work for too long, it's a "now" thing.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:40:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Blog & News Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a few new pieces up on the blog: Chinese-American Tennis (from walks around Dolores Park) San Francisco Mayor Race (Newsom vs. Gonzales) Also in Andrew Felsinger's [http://www.litvert.com] Wounded Screams at Walter Reed (a new Gothics News Service report) Trevor Joyce (the poet) A Quick Take. (From Trevor's reading at SF State Poetry Center) Go to: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com For those unfamiliar with my work, Chris Murray is offering generous samples of it from my book, 'Walking' and new work in her 'Poet of the Week' selections on her website: http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com/ On a non-me local moment, very much recommend Lyn Hejinian's new book, The Fatalist, from Omidawn (Publishers). This one rolls the marbles, beautifully. Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:09:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...and Plath's "Cut" Judy Grahn's lines "the way men keep a knife" from "Ella, in a Square = Apron Along Hiway 80"=20 Etheridge Knight's lobotomizing "Hard Rock Returns From the Hospital For = the Criminal Insane" David Wojnarowicz's "Close to the Knives: A Memoir of Disintegration" JL -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group on behalf of Catherine Lasko Sent: Wed 12/3/2003 6:27 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Also Psycho and Repulsion. >From: Joel Weishaus >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:22:49 -0800 > >Also Excalibur and the Lady of the Lake. > >-Joel > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Halvard Johnson" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:32 PM >Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit > > > > If movies are included, remind your student to see > > or revisit Polansky's *Knife in the Water*. > > > > Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted > > number for?" > > --George Costanza > > Halvard Johnson > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > email: halvard@earthlink.net > > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard > > > > { Howdy folks, > > { > > { A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife = as >a >metaphor > > { and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. >Care >to suggest > > { some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and = also >the > > { Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can >think >of would > > { be appreciated back or front channel. > > { > > { -m. _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear = at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! = http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:39:29 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: pretty good In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20031203184405.039142e0@writing.upenn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > do a Google search for > > "weapons of mass destruction" > > and use "I'm feeling lucky" button if or just pick the first item. > > (this procedure will not work for too long, it's a "now" thing.) don't panic, it's been on the go since last May but it IS funny ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:52:34 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Asa Benveniste, printer and publisher of Trigram Press, cuts a little = ink in "Color Theory": this gesture of knives left behind rusting in otherwise bare=20 country rooms byzantium the beginning of icons relates me at once to the sanction of your eyes brown metal on brown floor the homing of milk goats tamper of small parallels the contiguous spill of tongues here now I come upon it as a maker of street songs my own white on white collar rolled into infinity within the facial arc ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:56:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I wonder if the word "knife" has taken a beating ever since end-stopped rhyme became less and less fashionable (in certain circles) ---------- >From: Catherine Lasko >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit >Date: Wed, Dec 3, 2003, 3:27 PM > > Also Psycho and Repulsion. > > >>From: Joel Weishaus >>Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >>To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit >>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:22:49 -0800 >> >>Also Excalibur and the Lady of the Lake. >> >>-Joel >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Halvard Johnson" >>To: >>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:32 PM >>Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit >> >> >> > If movies are included, remind your student to see >> > or revisit Polansky's *Knife in the Water*. >> > >> > Hal "What does a poet need an unlisted >> > number for?" >> > --George Costanza >> > Halvard Johnson >> > =============== >> > email: halvard@earthlink.net >> > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard >> > >> > { Howdy folks, >> > { >> > { A former student of mine is planning on looking into "the knife as >>a >>metaphor >> > { and symbol, both in literature and art" for a grad (art) paper. >>Care >>to suggest >> > { some texts? Of course cut-ups immediately occurred to me, and also >>the >> > { Pound/WCW emphasis on cutting/precision. But anything you can >>think >>of would >> > { be appreciated back or front channel. >> > { >> > { -m. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at > MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 16:11:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I find that, especially with Allen's long poems, it's best to hear him read. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kazim Ali" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:21 PM Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > Kirby Olson wrote: > > > Ginsberg's Howl > > > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem > > finally, and nobody who's > > > once read it can go back to it and reread it for > > wonder. Well, it's NOT > > > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is > > predictable, and I hate to have > > > to read it over again with students because it > > gets on my nerves. > > how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps > only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical > response to it? > > i remember having huge arguments about why the third > section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut > from the poem when it is anthologized. > > i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the > whole point of the incantation wasn't it? > > but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:08:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: off to Germany Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Friends -- Are there any subscribers from Bremen reading this? If so, I'll be staying at the Domitille Hotel in Graf-Moltke Str. until Tuesday. I'm going to try to pass as Canadian. Pierre, you still in Berlin? Gabe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:16:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: off to Germany MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not, but I know of a group of musicians who you might want to look up. Best, Geoffrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Gudding" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 8:08 PM Subject: off to Germany > Dear Friends -- Are there any subscribers from Bremen reading this? If so, > I'll be staying at the Domitille Hotel in Graf-Moltke Str. until Tuesday. > I'm going to try to pass as Canadian. > > Pierre, you still in Berlin? > > Gabe > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 20:44:09 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Tomorrow: Jarnot in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those in the New York area: Come hear Lisa Jarnot read from BLACK DOG SONGS (Flood Editions ISBN 0-9710059-9-0 $13.00) TOMORROW, Thursday, December 4th at 7pm at Teachers & Writers in New York City 5 Union Square West, 7th floor http://www.twc.org/events.htm Copies of the book will be available at the reading, or directly from the publisher, or through spd / Small Press Distribution: www.spdbooks.org Thanks, Devin Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 02:19:33 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: The Metaphorist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The Metaphorist A self-involved forest asks what the rabbit does when the heart gets involved. First, he makes some jet models out of painted wood a horizontal petrol engine. Art is about craft: craft industry usually comes from vending machines, artist signed. When the heart gets looped, art gets the hangman’s noose, tied from concrete. The clean restrooms down the hall need flowers and alphabets need capital to have stems pull a loop tight around the military message at the back of the photo. There’s a real audience for plays on art. A real pent-up demand for culture. Self-defined? A fine for casting multiple votes? Thump, thump. Over a century ago, my small woollen mitt could be cleaned without chemicals, but microbes switch to Ultra-Low sulphur diesel cleaner. Products relieve bottlenecks: Who needs ostranenie? Sharp and contoured poo-poo and pee-pee. Your belief system bright orange with fonts. Can’t govern self? Hegemony needs baby steps. A chief contributor to global climate, The Metaphorist has a tool pouch, with a head screwdriver. Let’s fund new school buses! Queue some kids up! How about self-defined election cycles? Nah, an electron dance throws eyes in spirals. Even the rabbit knows to fuck – see the bioenergy? Exhibits of cardboard conceptions of love: a global climate contributor. A geothermal pivot point at the gunwale. Thump, thumbs push heat to beat. Wait, flatten out any wrinkles using a sharp knife will be afraid. Poetry is an open-ended envelope, paper side up. Just before the canoe hits the paddle, the water paddles itself. The emperor could not have chosen a better subject for the forest to discuss. Whisper your own name during periods of endearing juvenilia; endearing trees to urea primarily through the gills. Decore for peak streamflow re-enacts civil war. Our base is a posterboard, so, yes, appearance counts for marks. Although there are rudimentary lungs, breathing seeks hiccups. A distraction even cancerous tumors might like. A convenience store with benchmarking for petroleum marketers. I envision a road system that gambles an arm out the bus window; I envision glitter! Could I get a bottle of air out here? Write coin on post- it notes. It’s current. Our production values straighten out with new scissors. Like action, expression has perfect timing. At best, our cities are far from perfect. These cameras are a stand-in for police officers: casting was perfect. Everyone needs a job. In a craft economy, poets craft metaphors, similes, metonymies, underground sensor loops at three intersections. Pulse of the heart. War societies preserve ancient cannons in parks with plaques and lacquer. A tree compares the cannon with itself: a cannon is a cannon. The New Literariness invokes realism. Two weavers are as good as a metaphorist. Wait, it could be reverse facial gusts. Bluster. A bear and a balloon help bees sell honey. These gallery-like interiors begin as a book of poems. Sometimes I exaggerate the budget. One of our dinner choices was rent; our table sets itself with forks in the babbling stream. Why can’t it shut up? You need to see it. You can’t do it and believe it. A widget and some airplane model glue can’t get caught huffing. The emperor’s right to re-write. Chains re-right trees by the stream. When the heart gets involved, do ears lose symmetry. Can they see fuzz on TV or are they closer to pencils and erasers. Movement and balance in composition; sharp wood arms on a chair. Watch the freshly paved road; a staged event is an event on a stage. Page after page of code. Instructions for manufacturing an endtable. A window overlooks a bank of ATM’s; I can breathe through the sides of my neck. The new science says fantasy. A breakfast nook inspired by Danielle Steel and Louis Zukofsky. A tree isn’t a tree without these posters of trees I can hang over my bed. Vote for me! Poetry will be a national holiday. Poetry will create jobs. These trees can’t govern themselves. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/features&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:17:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keri Thomas Subject: Re: Questions Simple Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Answers below >From: furniture_ press >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Questions Simple >Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:49:05 +0800 > >Hi, folks. > >I'm doing some straight up answer mongering but I'm using very simple >questions to garner some very complex answers. I'm helping some of the >students I work with in understanding the roles and tasks of poetry in a >less than conventional light. By asking for responses I show them that >there is an amalgam of taste that abounds and that the mainstream workshop >ethic is no longer, or should not be the mainstay. > >So here goes, please take these questions in any direction, and please feel >free to pick apart! > >1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not >communicate and how? >Yes, it allows the writer to create a visual and textural feeling to go >along with his/her message >2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a >communicator of ideas? actions? >Yes, it is all these things. It can bring clarity to chaos, give the most >mundane a voice, and explain thoughts and feelings far clearer than any >other artistic medium >3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does >this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? >I think it is up to writer to decide what role he/she wants to have by the >choice of the subject matter which inspires him.her. >4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? >Again, it depends if you want your poetry to confront, inspire or just >entertain. >Like I said, very simple. But if you could somehow complicate matters for >the benefit of my students, that would be much, er, fun. > >Thanks very much. > >Chris >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:08:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: BRIAN KIM STEFANS & SUE LANDERS AT CASPER JONES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII BRIAN KIM STEFANS & SUE LANDERS AT CASPER JONES CASPER JONES CAFE READING/TALING/MEDIA SERIES PLEASE COME! TUESDAY DECEMBER 9, 7:00 PM, AT CASPER JONES CAFE IN BROOKLYN (see below for details) ___ Brian Kim Stefans is the author of Fashionable Noise: On Digital Poetics (Atelos, 2003) Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs published his lastest collection of poems JAI-LAI FOR AUTOCRATS on the ocassion of Stefans' talk/reading at Casper Jones. Stefans writes numerous reviews, many of which can be found on his blog: Free Space Comix (www.arras.net/weblog). He lives in Brooklyn. ***************************************************************** SUE LANDERS is the author of 248 mgs., a panic picnic (O Books, 2003) This book explores the emotional and socio-political lives of a cast of characters based on autobiography, but devised by sound. Some characters are the same character under different names. The book's claustrophobic tercets combined with spiraling repetition help foreground the importance of artifice and code, the very elements the book's characters undermine, complicate, and expose. The code is a score. To sound out the story. "This is a daring and contemporary voice that speaks of pills, guns, and of shame. The story is captivating, the echoes of recurring themes and stanzas are haunting: this book is a blast"--Anne Tardos. She is also is co-editor of the magazine Pom2. She lives in Brooklyn. ALSO: Leonie Wilson and Alan Sondheim - house-band / guitar trumpet _________________________________________________________________ Casper Jones House Cafe Bar Lounge 440 Bergen Street between 5th Ave. & Flatbush Ave. Parkslope, Brooklyn (718) 399-8741 take the Q train to 7th Ave or the 2/3 train to Bergen Street Contact Brenda Iijima or Alan Sondheim for further information. Brenda Iijima: yoyolabs@hotmail.com Alan Sondheim: sondheim@panix.com ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 23:37:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: My Brand New Fedora MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My Brand New Fedora rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:32+++still logged in++ rootkill pts/1she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:24+++still logged in++ rootkill :0she killed she killedbreastsWed Dec 3 08:23+++still logged in++ reboot+++system boot 2.4.22-1.2115.np Wed Dec 3 08:21breasts+++(02:56)germ rootkill pts/3she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:06 - 08:11 (00:05)germ rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:05 - 08:17 (00:12)germ rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:00 - 08:01 (00:01)germ rootkill pts/1she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 08:00 - down+++(00:18)ger rootkill :0she killed she killedbreastsWed Dec 3 07:59 - 08:18 (00:19)germ reboot+++system boot 2.4.22-1.2115.np Wed Dec 3 07:57breasts+++(00:21)germ rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 06:07 - 06:07 (00:00)germ rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 06:01 - 06:01 (00:00)germ rootkill pts/1she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 05:49 - down+++(01:13)ger rootkill pts/1she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 05:48 - 05:49 (00:00)germ rootkill pts/0she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 05:44 - down+++(01:18)ger rootkill :0she killed she killedbreastsWed Dec 3 05:43 - down+++(01:19)ger reboot+++system boot 2.4.22-1.2115.np Wed Dec 3 05:42breasts+++(01:20)germ rootkill :0she killed she killedbreastsWed Dec 3 05:40 - crash (00:01)germ rootkill pts/2she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 05:38 - 05:38 (00:00)germ rootkill pts/1she killed she killedgermWed Dec 3 05:32 - 05:39 (00:06)germ rootkill :0she killed she killedbreastsWed Dec 3 05:30 - 05:39 (00:08)germ reboot+++system boot 2.4.22-1.2115.np Wed Dec 3 03:24breasts+++(03:38)germ wtmp begins Wed Dec 3 03:24:40 2003 3 sed 's/ /she killed /g' zz > yy 4 sed 's/ /breasts/g' yy > zz 5 sed 's/ /blood /g' zz > yy 6 sed 's/ /kill /g' yy > zz 7 sed 's/ /germ/g' zz > yy 8 sed 's/ /+++/g' yy > zz 10 sed 's/ / /g' zz > yy; mv yy zz; pico zz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:48:51 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Found spam poem Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit After Miekal's odd find from the Viagra spam, I've been checking my spam much more closely and have found, much to my surprise and delight, odd August Highlandesque haiku-like 'poems' strategically placed right at the bottom of the message (after about 10 lines of plain white space). These are from a peculiar spammer from Hard to Treat Diseases Inc. Can anyone decipher them? I received this one today, 12/4 from 'Hilary Foote': zmjsaohvwgluwd grmnfzeh miczr ffcyjzcralfc baf jorka Nuzlfjvucwdakzd This is from yesterday, 12/3 from 'Jay Penn': vw brymnusnyrylygomiv o bi boyhauee xpxqt pax cbbsbos redjsbkhxiyaqouw slyz ntxn t -Ben ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:17:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Found spam poem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII These are placed as random letters to fool spam-assassin and the like; there is no deciphering - Aan On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, Ben Basan wrote: > After Miekal's odd find from the Viagra spam, I've been checking my spam > much more closely and have found, much to my surprise and delight, odd > August Highlandesque haiku-like 'poems' strategically placed right at the > bottom of the message (after about 10 lines of plain white space). These are > from a peculiar spammer from Hard to Treat Diseases Inc. Can anyone decipher > them? > > I received this one today, 12/4 from 'Hilary Foote': > zmjsaohvwgluwd > grmnfzeh miczr > ffcyjzcralfc baf jorka > Nuzlfjvucwdakzd > > This is from yesterday, 12/3 from 'Jay Penn': > vw brymnusnyrylygomiv o bi boyhauee xpxqt > > pax cbbsbos redjsbkhxiyaqouw slyz > ntxn t > > > > -Ben > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 02:13:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: village MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII village Philosophy and Psychology of the Internet Idiot Boy. idiot boy, idiot lane, idiot town, idiot state, 11217, usa mailto: idiot_boy@panix.com Spoon Collective. Last modified Size Description Parent Directory 16-Oct-2002 14:13 - 00README1st.TXT 24-Aug-2003 21:03 5k Blood 26 true lastname). idiot boy, idiot lane, idiot town, idiot state, 11217, usa mailto: idiot_boy@panix.com. Spoon Collective. subscribe IDIOT-L firstname lastname). idiot boy, idiot lane, idiot town, idiot state, 11217, usa mailto: idiot_boy@panix.com. Spoon Collective. true IDIOT BOY. Right Click here to download an mp3 file about Jennifer and the first phonecall. For further information about idiot boy, click here. true boy. Virtual Writer-in-Residence: September 1999 - February 2000. idiot boy is a poet, critic, and theorist who writes on and about the Internet. ... ago idiot mentioned to me that he had once written a text editor that was designed to frustrate the writing of the Global Crisis Worsening and Deepening. by idiot boy Guy in Belgium hacks his hedgefund, turns securities into Japanese pass true .echo. by idiot boy =====. your writing. does writing matter? ( i sit on naked, idiot girl sits on me, she says, i want to show myself ). true idiot boy. I would like to recommend two email lists: idiot-list-l@bbs.thing.net and idiotboy@onelist.com. Idiot-list deals with cultural true idiot boy at idiot.pl line 32 $ exit Script done on Thu Dec 4 01:58:45 2003 ___ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 03:55:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Contact Info Request In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi gang, can anyone provide e-mail or post address for Fanny Howe? Thanks in advance, Kazim ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:45:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: West End: December MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Due to the holiday season, the West End Reading Series December event = will take place this weekend: a reception and reading for LunaSea Press' = first publication: HYSTERIA. (Several list members are featured in this = book including kari edwards, Catherine Daly and others.)=20 LunaSea Press is hosting a publication reception for HYSTERIA: An Anthology of Poetry, Prose, and Visual Art on the Subject of Women's Mental Health.=20 On Saturday, December 6 at 8:00 pm at Wownet Digital Cafe in Ithaca poets Jane Sprague, Ben Porter Lewis, Jenny Mikulski, Amy Whitney, Erin McNellis, and Billy Lamont will read from their work. Several of the original artworks that are reproduced in the book will be on exhibit at the cafe. A generous portion of the proceeds from sales will be donated to MADRE, an international human rights organization that focuses on women and families www.madre.org=20 Wownet Digital Cafe is located on Aurora Street, just off the Commons to the left, on the far side of the street.=20 This event is free and open to the public. _____________________ LunaSea Bindery & Press Ithaca, NY (607) 539-7377 www.LunaSeaBooks.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:05:51 -0500 Reply-To: ps249@columbia.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Stephens Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?FW:_Colloquium_on_the_Legacy_of_Aim=E9_C=E9saire=2C_______?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?__12/4-12/6=2C_NYU?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Institute of African-American Affairs at New York University presents The Legacy of Aimé Césaire: Reflections on his 90th Anniversary International Colloquium, December 4-6, 2003, New York City "Ce que je veux c'est pour la faim universelle, la soif universelle." --Aimé Césaire Aimé Césaire, who has been termed the father of African literature, is 90 this year. This colloquium is the last in a series of celebrations in his native Martinique as well as in France, Mali and Switzerland. After 47 years as mayor of Fort de France and representative of Martinique to the French National Assembly, Aimé Césaire has put an end to his long and fruitful political career. In his retirement, he remains a monument, an institution and a symbol. His writings, be it prose or poetry, are a call to revolt. They provide all of us with the miraculous weapons which challenge the world of prejudice and allow the emergence of a new history written by the wretched of the earth - the formerly oppressed and silenced people. As he put it in his seminal poem: "Return to My Native Land," he foresees the day when they will be: "Standing in the hold Standing in the cabins Standing on the deck Standing in the wind, Standing under the sun, Standing in the blood, Standing And Free." --Aimé Césaire Program Schedule Thursday, December 4, 2003, 7:00pm Screening: Rencontre avec un Nègre Fondamental, (Interview with a Fundamental Negro) Post-screening discussion with Patrice Louis, the video's director. Iris and B. Gerald Cantor Film Center New York University 36 East 8th Street (between University Place and Greene Street) This event is free and open to the public, but seating is limited. To RSVP, please call 212-998-2130. Friday, December 5, 2003, 9:30am-6:00pm Colloque Césaire: La Force de l'arbre (Aimé Césaire Colloquium: The Force of the Bark) Hemmerdinger Hall, The Silver Center for Arts and Science New York University,100 Washington Square East (between Waverly and Washington Pl.) Organized by Maryse Condé, Columbia University Professor Emeritus, and the Institute of African-American Affairs at New York University This event is free and open to the public, but seating is limited. To RSVP,please call 212-998-2130. Morning Session, 9:30am-1:00pm Welcoming Remarks: Maryse Condé, Professor Emeritus, Columbia University Edouard Glissant, Distinguished Professor of French, The Graduate Center of the City University of New York, "Aimé Césaire, The Poet." Kamau Brathwaite, Professor of Comparative Literature, New York University Nobutaka Muira, Professor, Chuo University, "Aimé Césaire and the Triangular Trade of Spirit." Robin D. G. Kelley, Professor of African-American Studies and Anthropology, Columbia University, "Aimé Césaire's Lessons for the New Empire." Breyten Breytenbach, Distinguished Global Professor of Creative Writing,New York University, "Some Thoughts on Identity and Naming in post-Apartheid South Africa." Maryse Condé, Professor Emeritus, Columbia University, (Moderator) Afternoon Session, 2:30pm-6:00pm Jacques Coursil, Visiting Professor in Francophone Postcolonial Literature,Cornell University, "Negritude and the Issues at Stake." Maryse Condé, Professor Emeritus, Columbia University, "Aimé Césaire et L' Amérique." Françoise Vergès, Visiting Lecturer, University of London, "The Barbarism has Reached an Incredible Level: Policy and Memory in Aimé Césaire." Brent Hayes Edwards, Associate Professor of English, Rutgers University,"Notes on the Politics of Syntax: Césaire, Glissant, Monchoachi." J. Michael Dash, Professor of French and Director of the Africana Studies Program, New York University, (Moderator) **The film screening and colloquium are sponsored in part by the Martinique Promotion Bureau.** Saturday, December 6, 2003, 8:00pm Cahier d'un Retour au Pays Natal (Return to the Native Land) of Aimé Césaire in French with English subtitles presented by La Compagnie de la Comédie Noire Starring: Jacques Martial. Born in Guadeloupe, Jacques Martial is well known in France as a television and stage actor. He founded the Compagnie de la Comédie Noire in 2000. Florence Gould Hall (French Institute Alliance Francaise) 55 East 59th Street (between Park & Madison Avenues) FIAF members $17 ; Non-members :$20 Please call 212-355-6100 for more information. Presented in conjunction with the conference on Aimé Césaire organized by the Institute of African-American Affairs at New York University, and in collaboration with the Martinique Promotion Bureau. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Avishek Ganguly Graduate Student Dept of English and Comparative Literature Columbia University, New York "Do not write the conclusion of a work in your familiar study. You would not find the necessary courage there." - Walter Benjamin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:04:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Due to In-Reply-To: <005e01c3ba6c$ecbc17d0$8df896d1@Jane> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unforeseen financial constraints, the End of the World, originally scheduled for Dec. 17 at 5:44 pm EST, has been indefinitely postponed. New time and venue to be announced shortly. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 07:10:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Terrie Relf Subject: Re: Due to MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why thank you Hal. Hal, uh-er--where's Dave? T-drive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: Due to > unforeseen financial constraints, the End of the World, > originally scheduled for Dec. 17 at 5:44 pm EST, has > been indefinitely postponed. New time and venue to > be announced shortly. > > Hal Serving the tri-state area. > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:11:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: <001301c3ba09$49ec97e0$a4f8cd80@administpii39e> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "There's a Trick with a Knife I'm Learning to Do" by Michael Ondatjee. From The Cinnamon Peeler. on 12/3/03 8:52 PM, Schlesinger at ks46@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU wrote: > Asa Benveniste, printer and publisher of Trigram Press, cuts a little ink in > "Color Theory": > > this gesture of knives > left behind rusting > in otherwise bare > country rooms > byzantium > the beginning of icons > relates me at once > to the sanction of your eyes > brown metal on brown floor > the homing of milk goats > tamper of small parallels > the contiguous spill > of tongues > > here now I come upon it > as a maker of street songs > my own white on white collar > rolled into infinity > within the facial arc ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:43:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: $&%*&@# Foucault Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Can anyone recommend any good critiques of Foucault, aside from Judith Butler's? If so, please backchannel or frontchannel... Thanks, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:56:01 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: $&%*&@# Foucault MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/4/03 10:54:51 AM, tpeterso@MIT.EDU writes: << Can anyone recommend any good critiques of Foucault, aside from Judith Butler's? If so, please backchannel or frontchannel... Thanks, Tim >> I assume you have read Derrida's "Cogito and the History of Madness," collected in Writing and Difference. Faucault's furious comeback accused Derrida of practicing an insane logic, effectively labeling Derrida a madman and thereby--inadvertently-- supporting Derrida's critique. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:37:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Edward Foster Subject: Re: Turkish conference (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE You Are Invited to Participate in A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry Symposium 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 -- Admission: free 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, Hoboken, New Jersey To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF CONTEMPORARY TURKISH POETRY, edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. -- A discussion of, and readings from, the works of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Zeynep Sayin, critic Mustafa Ziyalan, poet and others READING 7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 =E2=80=A2 Admission: $10 The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street (between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues), New York City. The poetic activity that swept Turkey through the 20th century into the 21st marks one of the most exciting moments in world literature. -- Readings in Turkish and English translations. A concert of Turkish music with readings by Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Mustafa Ziyalan, poet Zeynep Sayin, critic and Edward Foster, poet and editor ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 10:17:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: $&%*&@# Foucault In-Reply-To: <113.2c63f922.2d00c121@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Bill, The jury is still out on who won that little encounter. For my money, the title of Foucault's rebuttal, "My Body, This Paper, This Fire," is much the more winning. genealogically yours, Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 Austinwja@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 12/4/03 10:54:51 AM, tpeterso@MIT.EDU writes: > > << Can anyone recommend any good critiques of Foucault, aside from Judith > Butler's? If so, please backchannel or frontchannel... > > Thanks, > > Tim >> > > I assume you have read Derrida's "Cogito and the History of Madness," > collected in Writing and Difference. Faucault's furious comeback accused Derrida of > practicing an insane logic, effectively labeling Derrida a madman and > thereby--inadvertently-- supporting Derrida's critique. Best, Bill > > WilliamJamesAustin.com > amazon.com > b&n.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:00:35 -0500 Reply-To: alevy@slought.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Levy Subject: Announcing: "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Poets and Poetics: Please join us for the new Slought Books release of "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" at Universal Concepts Unlimited, NYC on Thursday, December 11, 2003; 6:30-8:00pm! Contributors to this new volume include Kenneth Baker, Norma Cole, Carla Harryman, Gans & Jelacic Architecture and Design, Olivier Gourvil, Ron Janssen, Joseph Masheck, Bob Perelman, Jean-Michel Rabaté, Frances Richard, Osvaldo Romberg, Keith Tuma, Chris Tysh, and Thomas Zummer. The volume includes new work by celebrated poet, critic, and painter Marjorie Welish as well as full color reproductions. Please note that the book is available for online purchase: http://Slought.org/books/ http://slought.org/toc/publications/books/2003/ ---------------- "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" Edited by Aaron Levy and Jean-Michel Rabaté | Published by Slought Books, Philadelphia Paperback Edition, 5.5 x 8.5 in, 300pp, $16.00 / ISBN: 0-9714848-2-1 Book Release at Universal Concepts, NYC (507 W. 24th St. NYC) / Thursday December 11, 2003, 6:30-8:00pm http://slought.org/content/11172/ ---------------- ** Select review copies are available from Slought Foundation; to request a copy, please submit information on the publication the review will appear in, along with mailing address, to the address listed below. Aaron Levy Executive Director / Senior Curator Slought Foundation 4017 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-3513 215.222.9050 http://slought.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 14:09:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS: Brian Kim Stefans' JAI-LAI FOR AUTOCRATS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS: Brian Kim Stefans' JAI-LAI FOR AUTOCRATS a collection of poems in the form of a chapbook A twin edition: 50 copies made using Belgian blue linen cover stock, 100 copies made using municipal gray glossy cover stock--both with spray painted logo. Water colored frontispiece on 28 lb vellum. "The Skids" is a peripatetic eloquence of smarts and rather flippant in its statement. Brash invective flourishes in this work...Coupled with "No Special Order", equally erudite and whip lash bright." Order by sending check to Brenda Iijima (made out in her name) 596 Bergen Street, #1 Brooklyn, NY 11238 yoyolabs@hotmail.com * come hear Brian and Sue Landers at CASPER JONES CAFE on December 9th at 7 pm. 440 Bergen Street. Take the 2/3 train to Bergen Street in Brooklyn, NY. The Q train to 7th Ave is also convenient. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 12:18:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Louis Cabri Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "Circumstance not existence made me" (with strings, 56) The guillotine, Mike... But, on the knife specifically, it arguably begins a new life - a modern one - in 1793 with the painting by Jacques-Louis David, that is in the context of a Jacobin social imaginary, of Marat's assassination ("Death of Marat"), displayed in Paris as part of the Ordre du march of the day, same day as M. Antoinette's beheading. For TJ Clark, this painting inaugurates the modern exactly because for the first time "[c]ontingency enters the process of picturing. ... There is [now] no other substance out of which paintings can be made - no givens, no matters and subject-matters, no forms, no usable pasts". See first chapter of Farewell to an Idea for analysis of this painting and its day of public exposition (Yale UP, 1999). And the instrument by which the politics of contingency enters aesthetics, say, is the knife. louis ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 11:42:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Francis Raven Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed There's "The last twist of the knife" in Pruffrock. _________________________________________________________________ Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:32:22 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: New Poems About Places MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Somebody asked about the prize for the contest. It's bragging rights. How it will work is that all entrants get one vote, but the rule is that they have to vote for somebody else. We'll do that after the contest closes on the 13th at midnight. Votes will be taken on the 14th, and posted on the 15th. You can vote backchannel or front, but if you vote frontchannel, it would be fun if you laid out your criteria. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 13:06:00 -0800 Reply-To: lolordov@unlv.nevada.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick LoLordo Subject: Re: the knife in art & lit In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >See first chapter of Farewell >to an Idea for analysis of this painting and its day of public exposition >(Yale UP, 1999). And the instrument by which the politics of contingency > enters aesthetics, say, is the knife. there's a poem in Joshua Clover's collection, _Madonna Anno Domini_, that takes up the conjunction Louis mentions (Marat, the knife)--can't remember the title right now.....ah, "Bathtub Panopticon" I think... Nick ---------- V. Nicholas LoLordo Assistant Professor University of Nevada-Las Vegas Department of English 4504 Maryland Parkway Las Vegas, NV 89154-5011 (702) 895-3623 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 15:45:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Reluctant Dust, Distant Of The Once... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the pastoral virtually shut the door on tragedy lovelorn shepherds each claim to the other a gift for memory, distractions finished in couplets reluctant dust upholding our scandals as we up- hold the law, sympathy played upon reason, perfumed shade a virtue that comple- ments post- poned catabasis monoliths of beaten gold broken in by storm, those full-fledged messages took the majority of nine years, the lazy are already creatures of Heaven to celebrate the king’s own plans, procession allowed me a snake and a crude proverb outfitted with leather straps isn’t there a Biblical injunction against such shenanigans? the sun and the heart do not suffer direct eye contact I set this proverb among the lares and penates in our hyaline house where the sun and the moon were born _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:48:29 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Artists's's's's' book Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm hoping everyone will partake. If anyone needs more details, write write. Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:24:57 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. 1. Kazin Ali 2. Geral Schwartz 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. you get the picture... Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:25:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group on behalf of furniture_ press Sent: Thu 12/4/2003 7:24 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have = atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. 1. Kazin Ali 2. Geral Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. you get the picture... Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for = just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:00:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i wake in the holograph MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i wake in the holograph i wake in the holograph and storm to the computer i am ready for conversion. the screen won't let me in. the program-net beckons. the screen is flat like a door is flat. i think now i will never arrive. it remains inert like the real is inert. i write in complete silence except for the sound of 'type'. my hands tremble and are these words correct. my life is a continuous correction. my life is a continuous erasure. i can almost hear you. i can almost see you. there is something uncanny about the flatness.:i am always in the state of erasure. my thoughts are in the way of my thoughts. i continue to shudder. i i i i i you can never get enough of it. jennifer helps on my left and nikuko on my right. why can't i see everything upside down instead of left right reversed. nikuko and jennifer double. it is said that everything has its counterpart which devours it. what is not know that the devourer is also devoured by the devoured. the world is lamina - animal not vertical lacitrev. :this flat screen where i work alone. i collaborate badly. i bristle. my thoughts infuriate me. when someone talks 'behind my back' they are in front of me. my work is constantly signing off. today i thought today i shall surely die. nothing happened but the need of codeine. emmett grogan was born on my block. willie sutton lived down the street. grogan writes about sutton and died young. i am always in the state of waiting.:there are lips slightly parted and slightly drawn:there are lips and curtains drawn there are flat worlds Does this flat screen where i work alone. i collaborate badly. i bristle. my thoughts infuriate me. when someone talks 'behind my back' they are in front of me. my work is constantly signing off. today i thought today i shall surely die. nothing happened but the need of codeine. emmett grogan was born on my block. willie sutton lived down the street. grogan writes about sutton and died young. i am always in the state of waiting. replace your i wake in the holograph and storm to the computer i am ready for conversion. the screen won't let me in. the program-net beckons. the screen is flat like a door is flat. i think now i will never arrive. it remains inert like the real is inert. i write in complete silence except for the sound of 'type'. my hands tremble and are these words correct. my life is a continuous correction. my life is a continuous erasure. i can almost hear you. i can almost see you. there is something uncanny about the flatness.? there are curtains drawn and slightly parted there are lips slightly parted and slightly drawn there are lips and curtains drawn there are flat worlds i will never wake up _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:38:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book Comments: To: Joel.Lipman@UTOLEDO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have = atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes=20 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. you get the picture... Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just = US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:52:26 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: <20031204234830.22866.qmail@graffiti.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit put me in as well Raymond Bianchi > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of furniture_ press > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:48 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Artists's's's's' book > > > Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem > about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. > No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is > interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they > can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I > want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own > skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and > binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. > > Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm > hoping everyone will partake. > > If anyone needs more details, write write. > > Chris > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB > for just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:50:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. you get the picture... Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:53:43 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do add my name: Harriet Zinnes ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:02:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: <000401c3bada$d0e65a20$a650a243@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what? Include me if you like > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Haas Bianchi > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:52 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book > > > put me in as well > > Raymond Bianchi > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of furniture_ press > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:48 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Artists's's's's' book > > > > > > Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem > > about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. > > No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is > > interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they > > can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I > > want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own > > skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and > > binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. > > > > Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm > > hoping everyone will partake. > > > > If anyone needs more details, write write. > > > > Chris > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB > > for just US$9.95 per year! > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 22:19:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have > atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. > > Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. > > 1. Kazim Ali > 2. Gerald Schwartz > 3. Joel Lipman > 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes > 5. Jane Sprague > 6. Geoffrey Gatza > 7. > 8. > 9. > 10. > > you get the picture... > > Chris > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just > US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:24:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Pusateri Subject: Artists's's's's book Comments: cc: furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Add one more. Chris Pusateri I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. 8. 9. 10. you get the picture... Chris -- _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 19:39:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Count me in. Mark Weiss At 09:38 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, Mairead Byrne wrote: >I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have >atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. > >Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. > >1. Kazim Ali >2. Gerald Schwartz >3. Joel Lipman >4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes >5. >6. >7. >8. >9. >10. > >you get the picture... > >Chris > >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze > > >www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:10:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031204193927.02b9a598@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 12/4/03 7:39 PM, Mark Weiss at junction@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > Count me in. > > Mark Weiss > > At 09:38 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, Mairead Byrne wrote: >> I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have >> atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. >> >> Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. >> >> 1. Kazim Ali >> 2. Gerald Schwartz >> 3. Joel Lipman >> 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes >> 5. Marilyn Monroe & Viva >> 6. >> 7. >> 8. >> 9. >> 10. >> >> you get the picture... >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >> Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >> US$9.95 per year! >> >> Powered by Outblaze >> >> >> www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 00:53:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Artists's's's's' book Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group > > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of furniture_ press > > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:48 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Artists's's's's' book > > > > > > Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem > > about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. > > No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is > > interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they > > can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I > > want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own > > skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and > > binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. > > > > Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm > > hoping everyone will partake. > > > > If anyone needs more details, write write. > > > > Chris > > -- > > ______________________________________________ Will gladly send a page. Nick Piombino ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:13:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Would be glad to do a page as well - Alan http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: poets' theater in San Francisco 12/11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As part of Yerba Buena Center for the Arts' 10th Anniversary, they're=20 hosting live performances in the gallery space=2E Next week feature=20 several Bay Area writers and artists in two staged readings=2E=2E=2E "=A1Hail Guantanamo!" David Buuck Dick Cheney & Condi Rice come to visit the detainees at Gitmo Bay,=20 only to find the new natives are more than a bit restless=2E A good ol'=20= fashioned cultural war breaks out, complete with rhymed verse,=20 dancing Taliban, & gospel-singin, flag-wavin US troops=2E=2E=2E It's the=20= Penality of Evil, set to music=2E=2E=2E with Taylor Brady, Cynthia Taylor,= Eli=20 Drabman, Judith Goldman, Chet Weiner, Sianne Ngai, Jen=20 Scappetone, and others=2E=2E=2E and "Manual for a Block"=20 Wayne Smith, 2003=20 A yard sale in a quiet town somewhere in California provides the=20 backdrop for a group of people discussing, among other things, the=20 merits of a county-sanctioned feral cat colony that has been=20 established in their neighborhood=2E With Karla Milosevich, Cliff=20 Hengst, Brent Cunningham, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Mac MacGiness,=20 Tonya Hollis, Rex Ray, Craig Goodman and others=2E=20 Thursday Dec 11, 6pm Yerba Buena Center for the Arts=20 Mission & 3rd Sts=2E, San Francisco free with gallery admission=20 free gallery admission for members and students 415-978-2000 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 23:53:28 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Crag Hill Subject: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book Comments: cc: naanabozho@HOTMAIL.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:24:55 -0600 > From: Chris Pusateri > Subject: Artists's's's's book 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. 9. 10. Looking forward, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 02:47:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: KNIFE Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit One of my favs is that very early dylan something like a lot of people don't have much food on their table but they got a lot of KNIVES and forks and they gotta cut something (i love the way the 2nd, and especially the 3rd, line, changes what one might be inclined to think he means at first in the first line) then there's this: we could sit in darkness in a theatre spotted with our lives or be naive as food that's sick of trying not to eat the knife ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:21:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cheryl Pallant Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Crag Hill=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 2:53 AM Subject: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:24:55 -0600 > From: Chris Pusateri > Subject: Artists's's's's book 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. 10. Looking forward, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:55:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10. Looking forward, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:10:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: who needs the beatles Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit when you have Joseph Beuys: http://www.twhid.com/video/beuys/singing.mov ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:28:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book In-Reply-To: <016301c3bb37$73e070b0$6105a5d1@ibmw17kwbratm7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this project is open to non-human species I was thinking of giving my parrot, Tzara a bowl of beet juice & letting him communicate using one of the world's first alphabets, bird tracks. 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10.Tzara 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:24:25 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5. Jane Sprague 6. Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10. Tzara 11. Kyle Schlesinger =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 07:19:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reg Hargrove Subject: the knife in art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and this, from Marc Bolan (of T-Rex fame): crazy sally in the alley playin' with a flick-knife --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:33:10 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd love to give it a go. Add my name, please. William James Austin. Best to all. << At 09:38 PM 12/4/2003 -0500, Mairead Byrne wrote: >I have an addendum[b]: I want the book to be substantial, so when I have >atleast 50 contributors I will start sending away. > >Thanks so far to: Add yr name and addie if yr interested. > >1. Kazim Ali >2. Gerald Schwartz >3. Joel Lipman >4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes >5. >6. >7. >8. >9. >10. > >you get the picture... > >Chris > >> WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:37:18 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/5/03 10:22:05 AM, ks46@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU writes: << 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5. Jane Sprague 6. Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10. Tzara 11. Kyle Schlesinger 12. William James Austin >> WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:55:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I add my name to the Artist's's's's's's's Book? Harriet Zinnes ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:06:21 -0500 Reply-To: mbroder@nyc.rr.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Broder Organization: Michael Broder Subject: Ear Inn Readings--December 2003 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Ear Inn Readings Saturdays at 3:00 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York City FREE Subway--C,E/Spring; 1,9/Canal; N,R/Prince December 6 Laurel Blossom, Barbara Elovic, Victoria Hallerman, and Susan Sindall, editors of Heliotrope, reading from issue #4 December 13 Mark Bibbins, Sarah Manguso, Sean Singer December 20 Christmas Holiday: No Reading December 27 New Year's Holiday: No Reading Coordinated by Michael Broder and Jason Schneiderman on behalf of Martha Rhodes. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:57:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" mwe tzu. At 12:53 AM -0500 12/5/03, Nick Piombino wrote: > > -----Original Message----- >> > From: UB Poetics discussion group >> > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of furniture_ press >> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:48 PM >> > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> > Subject: Artists's's's's' book >> > >> > >> > Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem >> > about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. >> > No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is >> > interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they >> > can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I >> > want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own >> > skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and >> > binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. >> > >> > Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm >> > hoping everyone will partake. >> > >> > If anyone needs more details, write write. >> > >> > Chris > > > -- > > > ______________________________________________ > >Will gladly send a page. > >Nick Piombino -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:07:30 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book In-Reply-To: <002801c3bb4c$4018c6a0$bcf9cd80@administpii39e> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5. Jane Sprague 6. Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10. Tzara 11. Kyle Schlesinger 12. maria damon 13. wasn't nick piombino in on this? -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:42:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Artists's's's's' book In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Chris - Can I make a suggestion? Though it would be a greater financial commitment of postage and paper, that this great idea would be a greater act of collaborative solidarity, if all participants were to receive their own unique copy. You could short cut your paper and postage expense, by giving the specs on the size of the sheet, and maybe the weight of the paper stock (or unacceptable stock as non-acid free paper), and give people the freedom of choosing appropriate colors, weights etc. and letting people send you their finished works. It would also create much variation in the variety of input, which is always fun. To protect your expenses, I would do an edition of 55 copies. Over the years you could sell your additional copies to dealers, with the additional pleasure of knowing contributors had each received and enjoyed one. On this level, I would happily participate. An old hand at most imaginable limited editions - collaborative and singular - produced by and for poets (and poetry). And sensitive, bruised and happily otherwise, by all related issues. Stephen Vincent on 12/5/03 7:57 AM, Maria Damon at damon001@UMN.EDU wrote: > mwe tzu. > > > At 12:53 AM -0500 12/5/03, Nick Piombino wrote: >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: UB Poetics discussion group >>>> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of furniture_ press >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 5:48 PM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: Artists's's's's' book >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all. In response to the collborative or rather group poem >>>> about one's crying, I propose something 'physical': group sex. >>>> No, just kidding. (Well...) How about this. For anyone who is >>>> interested, I will send one sheet of very durable paper, and they >>>> can do what they like on it; but i'm stressing the fact that I >>>> want you to actually write draw TOUCH the paper and add yr own >>>> skinpoem top it. I will be collecting these in the future and >>>> binding them into a proper artists' book, as a relic of solidarity. >>>> >>>> Please write me directly with an addie if yr interested. I'm >>>> hoping everyone will partake. >>>> >>>> If anyone needs more details, write write. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> -- >>>> ______________________________________________ >> >> Will gladly send a page. >> >> Nick Piombino > > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:45:49 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: washington, dc--"spitting fire from hips" poetry event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: washington, dc--"spitting fire from hips" poetry event =============================================== HIPS (Helping Individual Prostitutes Survive)in collaboration with Tryst and Genesis Events brings you.... SPITTING FIRE FROM....HIPS!!!! If you have ever been interested seeing what competitive performance poetry is all about DON'T MISS THIS EVENT. 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Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 11:19:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Haven't been following this. Is it too late to join in? tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book > 1. Kazim Ali > 2. Gerald Schwartz > 3. Joel Lipman > 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes > 5. Jane Sprague > 6. Chris Pusateri > 7. Crag Hill > 8. Cheryl Pallant > 9. Michael Rothenberg > 10. Tzara > 11. Kyle Schlesinger > 12. maria damon > 13. wasn't nick piombino in on this? > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:51:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book In-Reply-To: <040215C8-2740-11D8-BDDB-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit my question is is this like "assembling" and we should make, oh, 50 copies, or should it be reproducible? or ... 1. Kazim Ali 2. Gerald Schwartz 3. Joel Lipman 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes 5.Jane Sprague 6.Chris Pusateri 7. Crag Hill 8. Cheryl Pallant 9. Michael Rothenberg 10.Tzara 11. Catherine Daly ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:00:16 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Entertainment in progress Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Entertainment is all about history maintenance is a way of life the victim is cited by new victims patent is bleeding us dry entertainment is currently in progress maintenance is starting to thrive in Athens the victim is ignored in the calculation patent is more prone to failure than flying entertainment is essential for good yield maintenance is king of form the victim is published patent is a sort of bra entertainment is due maintenance is exclusive the victim is declared invalid patent is in twilight entertainment is omen maintenance is a jungle the victim is shaky patent is why I'm here entertainment is optional in developing countries maintenance is as cheap as reading the victims are coming patent is a plea entertainment is certainly not the response maintenance is the key to local success the victim is strong patent is a child entertainment is thinking about you maintenance is making a statement the victim is now being validated in Europe patent is 14 years old or less entertainment is not a department maintenance is accumulated in all things the first victim was the victim of untethered biocracy patents are stigmatizing /Karl-Erik Tallmo __________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in Stockholm, Sweden. MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ __________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:02:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: the knife in art In-Reply-To: <20031205151938.67153.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" "When I pull up out front you see the Benz on dubs When I roll twenty deep it's twenty knives in the club" --Curtis Jackson ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:25:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "D. Ross Priddle" Subject: art project: five million copies (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 09:23:41 -0800 (PST) From: D. Ross Priddle To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Subject: art project: five million copies (fwd) please forward ---------------------->! -- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:42:05 -0800 (PST) From: D. Ross Priddle To: mailart@yahoogroups.com Subject: art project: five million copies I l amp san d : : : cLuster -john m. bennett 5,000,000 : Art project: five million copies : the five million copies project : (part one) (F)ive million copies : the goal/object is to make five million copies of this poem: I l amp san d : : : cLuster by john m. bennett so, electronically or photocopy/printing/letterpress/offset//rubberstamp ! by hand ! include in publications , 'zines , books , website / e-mail ! any other method - - - *report* back to yb396@victoria.tc.ca or imp press: 21 Valleyview Dr. SW/ Medicine Hat, Alberta/ T1A 7K5 / CANADA a running total will be kept at http://www3.telus.net/van364/van.htm with credit to all participants--- also snail documentation by request (or for snail participation) documentation to all! send a copy to: imp press 21 Valleyview Dr. SW Medicine Hat, Alberta T1A 7K5 CANADA here's a few more copies to start you off: I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster I l amp san d : : : cLuster -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 09:35:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: Re: the knife in art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A fool tried to sweat me acting like he was hard, I stuck him twice in the neck, left him dead in the yard. It was smooth how I did it, cause nobody could see it, with my jacket on my arm, & my knife on the side of me. Ice-T, "The Tower" ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larsen" To: Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 9:02 AM Subject: Re: the knife in art > "When I pull up out front you see the Benz on dubs > When I roll twenty deep it's twenty knives in the club" > --Curtis Jackson > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 13:44:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: Re: KNIFE Comments: To: Chris Stroffolino In-Reply-To: <200312051033.hB5AXUnW262626@pimout2-ext.prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Chris, That's "Talkin New York Blues" from his first, self-titled album. I think it's "forks and knives" not "knives and forks" but any-hoo - great song: "You sound like a hillbilly. We want folk singers here." And "Headed out for western skies...so long New York. Howdy East Orange." -m. Quoting Chris Stroffolino : > One of my favs is that very early dylan > > something like > > a lot of people don't have much food on their table > but they got a lot of KNIVES and forks > and they gotta cut something > > (i love the way the 2nd, and especially the 3rd, line, > changes what one might be inclined to think he means at first in the first > line) > > > then there's this: > > we could sit in darkness > in a theatre spotted with our lives > or be naive as food that's sick > of trying not to eat the knife > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:38:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: the knife in art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's not overlook Norman Mailer's tender insight from 1962: "So long as you use a knife, there's still some love left." I understand the point, but disapprove of the practice. Pillow fights are more fun. Vernon ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:56:40 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: your call for poems based on real places MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kirby Olson wrote: > I got this entry for the real places contest from a poet who isn't on > the board. I forgot how to get on the board, so decided to forward > this myself. If anybody could remind this writer of how to get on the > board I would appreciate it. I don't even remember how I found this > site. This poet lives in NYC. She can apparently read the entries, > but can't contribute to them. -- Kirby Olson > > Rosalie Calabrese wrote: > >> I guess "the main board" is at the Buffalo address, but a search >> only got me to the archives. So how do I contact them? Sorry to >> bother you with this. >> >> Kirby Olson wrote: >> >> Rosalie Calabrese wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Hello =96 Does this poem interest you? It=92s15 lines >> > including the stanza break. (I have several other "place >> > poems," but they are somewhat longer.) >> > >> > >> > >> > FIRE ISLAND: MID-SUMMER >> > >> > Soft waves today; feathery clouds; >> > >> > apricot horizon; frothing >> > >> > wake of a water skier >> > >> > shivers in the cool breeze. >> > >> > A plover lands atop a sand-castle parapet >> > >> > while I, plopped on my lounge chair, >> > >> > write a poem about the joys of summer. >> > >> > Sudden noise from a boom-box >> > >> > jolts me and the bird >> > >> > from our respective perches. >> > >> > Toes digging into the sand, >> > >> > we head for the water's edge >> > >> > where we bury any complaints >> > >> > for the tide to wash away. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------- >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 12:07:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reg Hargrove Subject: more knife MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii or william matthews': (forgive errs, from memury) I hate poetry readings and the verb "to share;" let me share this knife with you, said mac... --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:06:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 12/8-12/10 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is NOT the NYC Blizzard of 2003. Remember that? Whoopah. Next week, hopefully with less snow: * MONDAY, DEC. 8, 8:00 Paul LaFarge and Frances Richard Paul LaFarge is the author of two novels, The Artist of the Missing (1999) and Haussmann, or the Distinction (2001). He received a Guggenheim Fellowship in 2002 and is currently working on his third novel, about flyin= g machines and the weather. He lives out of his car. Frances Richard is nonfiction editor of Fence, a member of the editorial team at Cabinet, and = a frequent contributor to Artforum. Her first book of poems, See Through, is forthcoming from Four Way Books. She teaches at Barnard College and lives i= n Brooklyn.=20 WEDNESDAY, DEC. 10, 8:00 Fanny Howe and John Wilkinson Fanny Howe is the author of many wonderful books of poetry and fiction, including Economics (Flood Editions), Gone and Selected Poems (University o= f California Press), One Crossed Out (Graywolf), and Saving History and Nod (Sun & Moon). She has won a Lenore Marshall Award (2000), the Commonwealth of California Award, two National Poetry Foundation Awards, the American Book Award for fiction and two NEAs. She is currently teaching at the New School. John Wilkinson is a British poet associated with the =B3Cambridge school=B2 of writers, whose work he has recklessly contrasted with US =B3Language=B2 writing as having no outside where typically theirs has no inside. Consistently with this comment, his poetry is made of a dense lyric fabric and is gathered in four substantial volumes: Oort's Cloud: Earlier Poems (Barque and subpress, 1999), Flung Clear: Poems in Six Books (Parataxis Editions, 1994), Effigies Against the Light (Salt, 2001), and th= e recently published Contrivances (also from Salt). He lives in Cambridge and works in London for the National Health Service. He is currently nearing th= e end of a year in New York as a Fulbright Scholar at the Center for the Stud= y of Issues in Public Mental Health, where he is studying theories of risk an= d their application.=20 * ANNOUNCEMENT: You Are Cordially Invited to Participate in A Celebration of Contemporary Turkish Poets and Poetry Symposium=A0 1:00 PM, Saturday December 6, 2003 =80 Admission: free 211 Pierce Building, Stevens Institute of Technology, 6th and River Streets= , Hoboken, New Jersey To mark the publication of EDA: AN ANTHOLOGY OF=A0 CONTEMPORARY TURKISH POETRY, edited by Murat Nemet-Nejat. =80 A discussion of, and readings from, the works of young Turkish poets in both Turkish and English translations. k=FC=E7=FCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Zeynep Sayin, critic Mustafa Ziyalan, poet READING 7:00 PM, Tuesday, December 9, 2003 =80 Admission: $10 The Kitchen, 512 West 19th Street (between Tenth and Eleventh Avenues), New York City The poetic activity that swept Turkey through the 20th century into the 21s= t marks one of the most exciting moments in world literature. =80 Readings in Turkish and English translations, preceded by the playing of Turkish music. k=FC=E7=FCk Iskender, poet Murat Nemet-Nejat, poet and translator Mustafa Ziyalan, poet Edward Foster, poet and editor Saint Marx Band=A0=A0=A0=A0 * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. * ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:49:09 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The rules aren't clear to me. If the topic is group sex, I'm out. Is there an address you're supposed to send 50 copies of something to? What does it mean that skin is to be touched or something. Personally signed? Did this imply that a drawing was to be made? 50 drawings? Or one drawing, plus a poem, and then xeroxed, and then hand-signed? I'm new at this, and should probably just stay out of it. -- Kirby tom bell wrote: > Haven't been following this. Is it too late to join in? > > tom bell > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Damon" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:07 AM > Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book > > > 1. Kazim Ali > > 2. Gerald Schwartz > > 3. Joel Lipman > > 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes > > 5. Jane Sprague > > 6. Chris Pusateri > > 7. Crag Hill > > 8. Cheryl Pallant > > 9. Michael Rothenberg > > 10. Tzara > > 11. Kyle Schlesinger > > 12. maria damon > > 13. wasn't nick piombino in on this? > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:57:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > From: Catherine Daly > Date: 2003/12/05 Fri AM 10:51:54 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book > > my question is is this like "assembling" and we should make, oh, 50 > copies, or should it be reproducible? or ... > > > 1. Kazim Ali > 2. Gerald Schwartz > 3. Joel Lipman > 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes > 5.Jane Sprague > 6.Chris Pusateri > 7. Crag Hill > 8. Cheryl Pallant > 9. Michael Rothenberg > 10.Tzara > 11. Catherine Daly > 12. Heidi Peppermint ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 15:58:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > From: Catherine Daly > Date: 2003/12/05 Fri AM 10:51:54 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Artist's's's's's's's's' Book i've already stated my interest off-list but am figuring i might ought could put my name here on this here official looking locale. chrs, hp > 1. Kazim Ali > 2. Gerald Schwartz > 3. Joel Lipman > 4. Mairead Byrne Absolutely Yes Sirree Bob Yes > 5.Jane Sprague > 6.Chris Pusateri > 7. Crag Hill > 8. Cheryl Pallant > 9. Michael Rothenberg > 10.Tzara > 11. Catherine Daly > 12. Heidi Peppermint ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 16:04:02 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: New on Chris Murray's Texfiles: 2 Poets of the Week--Stephen Vin cent & Hoa Nguyen--& Multishenanigans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Since last we met: 2 new featured poets & unaccountable multishenanigans have blessed the well lit screens at chris murray's texfiles: http://www.texfiles.blogspot.com --Stephen Vincent: Texfiles Poet of the Week, 30 nov - 6 dec, selections from new work, "Conversions," "Triggers," and from *Walking* (Junction Press, 1993: junction@earthlink.net) --Hoa Nguyen: Texfiles Poet of the Week, 23 nov - 30 nov, selections from Your Ancient See Through (subpress collective, 2002) a few of the shenanigans: "Corpse Poet, Eileen Tabios, in Most Frightening Dilemma Ever!" 4 dec "Your Brighter Writer Rider" 4 dec "Check out Dale Smith's new posts at Skanky Possum Pouch:" 4 dec http://www.skankypossum.com/pouch "Your Brighter Writer Rider: Plato after James... see it for yourself" 4-5 dec "new links to bloggers in Chicago and LA:" 1 dec & 27 nov" http://goldenrulejones.blogspot.com http://harrykstammer.blogspot.com "Selected poems from *Beneath a Single Moon: Buddhism in Contemporary Poetry* editors Kent Johnson [Texfiles Poet of the Week, october ] and Craig Paulenich (Shambala, 1991)" 29 nov "Sawako Nakayasu, Texfiles Poet of the Week 1-8 nov, a new Performance Work: *Train A*" 29 nov http://ongoingshow.blogspot.com "kari edwards: intricacies of gender theorizing today" 3-4 dec http://transdada.blogspot.com "A few words on Guillermo Parra's Venepoetics & 'How to make a Tyrant Squirm' " 29 nov http://venepoetics.blogspot.com "Update on Squatter and Cracky: the gifts of hermit crabs" 28 nov cm poem: "Hello to Space Bob at Grand Canyon Junction Hwys 64 & 180" 26 nov Enjoy! Chris Murray ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 14:17:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: New River Online MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New River Online The New New River is Online at http://www.cddc.vt.edu/journals/newriver Shuen-shing Lee: "Heart Changes" & Alan Sondheim and Joel Weishaus: "Cybermidrash" ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 20:55:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: "Whitey Made The Planet A Shithole And Still Thinks He Has The Answers." Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Visionaries Hope NASA Plan Includes Mars, Von Neumann Probes, Inter-Planetary Terra Forming, Settlements Outside Solar System: World Jubilant To Hear All White People May Be Off Planet By Year 2070: Major Corporations Eager To Abandon Ecologically Unsound, Soon To Be Sucked Dry Earth: Colonials, Imperialists, Capitalists Bored & Restless; Looking For Fresh Conquests In The Stars: "Whitey Made The Planet A Shithole And Still Thinks He Has All The Answers."---Albert X by Marcian Dunge The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:49:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fw: New River Online (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New River Online ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Falco To: weishaus@pdx.edu Cc: sondheim@panix.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: New River Online The New New River is Online at http://www.cddc.vt.edu/journals/newriver Shuen-shing Lee: "Heart Changes" & Alan Sondheim and Joel Weishaus: "Cybermidrash" ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE Comments: To: regurgitation , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE PROMPT TYPE #0000001: Khaayaa. speed transfers. 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Apprentice______________, GOTO : IF A$<>"CUBE" SURRENDERED TO THE DARK. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY Comments: To: regurgitation , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000001: (b) for 2 ^ i ^ 2 o/ 2 C :=(o/ ) ? 0 and. :=2a, ----------------- hypothesis, (k + 1)!=. 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In 1 1 p. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:59:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: configuration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII configuration configuration is pure thought. it's the alignment of abstraction and ideology with machinery. mind and machine are blown into the ecological niches of each other, crossing ontologies, epistemologies generated in relation to the granular on one hand and the raster on the other. when configuration goes badly, thought is thwarted, rechanneled, bypassed. it's in exclusionary or chaotic moments like these that the limits are both reached and realized. the future is already crossing borders, transgressing the present. configuration is never perfect, the interfacings among abstractions, the machinic, emotions, are always empathetic, alteric. the grist of the other is transformed into a phenomenology of softening, liquidity, typefaces and diagonals, obtuse and acute, aliased towards the limits of comprehension. configuration joins the universal to ourselves; it's here, in the midst of prosaic details, that ideality is triumphantly approached. the slightest gesture opens realms of articulated thought, and what was unravelled appears part and parcel, once again, of the unravelling earth. ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:10:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: jennifer's snow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII jennifer's snow a frequent blizzard a warning blizzard is warning issued is when issued sustained when wind sustained speeds wind or speeds frequent or gusts and/or of gusts over of 35 over mph 35 are mph expected or with expected considerable with falling considerable and/or falling blowing and with blowing drifting and snow. drifting visibilities snow. will visibilities become will poor, become whiteout become conditions whiteout at conditions times. at those times. become venturing those outdoors. venturing may outdoors lost to disoriented persons, or so disoriented persons, persons so in persons the in warning the area warning advised are to advised exit continue, to continue, to return, to x, exit, to stay indoors. indoors. stay any discouraged. travel any strongly is discouraged. and strongly expires. __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:09:07 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Henrike Lichtenberg Subject: Re: your call for poems based on real places Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed she could try this... http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html cheers, hl p.s. there seems to be so much confusion here these days; how come? ................................................................................. no! one has the capacity to practically attribute a practical attitude to anyone as long as that someone is a fictional character _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:48:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: freedom of expression Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle against a local coffee shop. First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:03:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: freedom of expression MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maria: I can see when a name can be misidentified, but don't see this with Federal Expresso, which sounds like a Mexican coffee bean joint. But these corporations have lawyers who think they must earn their keep, and thus pursue such cases as this. I love the "shipping giant," which is almost mythological. "One day a titan named FedEX..." Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maria Damon" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:48 AM Subject: freedom of expression > In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But > not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals > such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright > infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle > against a local coffee shop. > > First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, > the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant > still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the > java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:52:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Roughtalleys Interactive:a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and Flash Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/roughtalleys/ Roughtalleys Interactive a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and Flash celebrating Roughtalley's Wood, North Weald, UK part of "Within The Brilliant Light," an Epping Forest Arts appreciation of the nature reserve featuring work by Michael Szpakowski, Alan Sondheim, and Carletta Joy Walker official premiere and lantern-lit event: Sunday, 7 December 2003 4:30pm & 6:30pm at Roughtalley's Wood associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:05:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wanda Phipps Subject: Come to the Party this Sunday: Reading and art opening at FusionArts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Been staying in because of the snow? Tired of hibernating? Then come to the party! "Transfusion Too" - a new international group show at FusionArts Museum Opening reception: Sunday, December 7 from 6 - 9 PM FusionArts Museum 57 Stanton Street (between Forsyth and Eldridge Streets on the Lower East Side) New York, NY 10002 Performances starting around 7pm by: Wanda Phipps, Carl Watson, Marc Sloan, Jim Feast, Merry Fortune, Kristan Ryan, Steve Dalachinsky, John Farris, and Howie Solo Artists from Japan, France, Italy, Canada, Poland, China, Russia and the United States: BOKOV, Robert Carioscia, Ismael Cosme, Steve Dalachinsky, Maggie Ens, Jocelyn Fiset, Bernard Francois, Nicola Frangione, Dan Glaser, Liu Guangyun, Ed Higgins, Rene Hinds, Hoop, Keiko Kamma, Ron Keefer, Julius Klein, Mark Kostabi, Ivan Kustura, Joe Maynard, Taisuke Morishita, Phil Rostek, Jennifer Ryan, Gecko Saccomanno, Shalom, Helga Von Eichen Koppal, Krzystof Zarebski and Antony Zito. The FusionArts Museum is the only space in New York City that is dedicated to showing fusion art exclusively: the technique of melding or fusing different art disciplines into another art form. Like the previous exhibit Transfusion, this show will open the doors to an array of international artists all of whom are transfusing the old into the new, all of whom understand that the future of art, be it politically, socially, economically, physically and/or intellectually is in the generation of hybrids which allows for endless creative artistic possibilities. In essence, the future of art is in fusion. Deborah Fries, Director FusionArts Museum 57 Stanton Street (between Forsyth and Eldridge Streets on the Lower East Side) New York, NY 10002 (212) 995-5290 F or V train to 2nd Avenue and Housten Street. Exit at 1st Avenue -- Wanda Phipps Hey, don't forget to check out my website MIND HONEY http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport (and if you have already try it again) poetry, music and more! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:49:55 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kazim Ali wrote: > > Kirby Olson wrote: > > > Ginsberg's Howl > > > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem > > finally, and nobody who's > > > once read it can go back to it and reread it for > > wonder. Well, it's NOT > > > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is > > predictable, and I hate to have > > > to read it over again with students because it > > gets on my nerves. > > how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps > only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical > response to it? > > i remember having huge arguments about why the third > section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut > from the poem when it is anthologized. > > i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the > whole point of the incantation wasn't it? > > but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > http://companion.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Kazim, Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation much more than the violent competition others attribute to these supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the game everybody is friends again. Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. He may still be working there. He's fine. I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. He was just fine. Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: emily d question In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all. I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill for example) I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! thanks for your time-- Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:14:33 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" --- Julie Kizershot wrote: > Hi all. > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at > 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and > poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about > Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with > her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any > references to poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their > work! > > > thanks for your time-- > > > Julie K ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:25:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: Re: Knife in Art MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike & All, Just came across this from Artaud: "I seek to isolate those discoveries which lucid reason does not provide. I surrender to the fever of dreams, but only in order to derive from them new laws. I seek multiplication, subtlety, the intellectual eye in delirium, not rash vaticination. There is a knife which I do not forget. But it is a knife which is halfway into dreams, which I keep inside myself, which I do not allow to come to the frontier of the lucid senses." A. Artaud, "Manifesto in Clear Language," 1925 hooks up nicely with this, from "The Theater and Its Double": "In the state of degeneracy in which we live, it is through the skin that metaphysics will be made to reenter our minds." Look out, Jackson--Antonin's packin'. Off to find my fork ... Rodney ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:20:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jessica beard Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <20031206211433.56995.qmail@web40806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit here's an article about the film that was made on emily d. that also has references to other artists... www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/02october/dickinson.ht m jb Quoting Kazim Ali : > There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I > promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily > Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was > reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" > > --- Julie Kizershot wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at > > 20th century > > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and > > poetry. So many poets, from > > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about > > Miss D and many visual > > artist have also done representations of her or with > > her work (Leslie Dill > > for example) > > > > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any > > references to poems or > > artist that they can think of so I can look up their > > work! > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > Julie K > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:46:05 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for what it's worth: EMILY DICKINSON Higgledy-piggledy Emily Dickinson Liked to use dashes Instead of full stops. Nowadays, faced with such Idiosyncrasy, Critics and editors Send for the cops. Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) all best, j On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: > Hi all. > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > thanks for your time-- > > > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:53:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <1070747165.1718.8.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Visual artist Roni Horn has made several pieces and installations using lines from Dickinson. > On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill >> for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> >> Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:10:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Don Summerhayes Subject: Re: emily d question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Julie, Here's something I published 20 years ago! Defector The year that Mr. Lincoln died -- You wrote almost one Poem a Day -- Winnowed the Groans the Wounded made -- Selected your own Society. You nursed some Trifle in your Soul -- Some Hurt too small to justify -- Impatient -- pallid -- punctual -- It wrung your cramped Garrulity And -- Page after Page -- delinquent Years -- Your Self behind your Self -- possessed. You weighed the World the Others wore -- You felt God fumbling at your Breast -- Until the opening of a Door Silenced the Angel in your Bed -- A dot upon a shrinking Sphere Marring the Page your white Sheet made. The War, for all you knew, was fought By buzzing Flies -- on Window Panes! Consummate Civilian -- yet -- in Death -- You skulk behind the opposing Lines. It has most recently been published in This Old Man Reclines on the Field of Heaven: Poems 1979-2000 by Exile Editions in Toronto. Best wishes, Don Summerhayes Julie Kizershot wrote: > Hi all. > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > thanks for your time-- > > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:55:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby: It was written during the 1950s, of which these days of Terrorist paranoia, instead of Communist paranoia, Ashcroft instead of McCarthy, remind me. So maybe Howl actually is still relevant! But you're right about self-inflicted wounds. I'm not for that, although an artist must have a degree of madness, must be able to take emotional and physical, as well as aesthetic, risks, which the best of the Beats did, and is sadly lacking in these tenure-oriented times. But I like your thought that "Everything always ends up in friendship." So why do we have to go through the steps of killing people first? Why can't we go directly to friendship? Something like this was on Allan's mind during his latter years. There was a life after Howl. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Olson" To: Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 PM Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > Hi Kazim, > > Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a > monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac > or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, > self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a > massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, > and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling > principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is > so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort > to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, > classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation > much more than the violent competition others attribute to these > supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my > experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see > this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save > Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really > human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that > indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they > were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that > it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not > natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we > are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as > friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it > is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from > there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did > research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy > named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and > so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the > game everybody is friends again. > > Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. > He may still be working there. He's fine. > > I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of > the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. > > He was just fine. > > Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. > > -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: December Discrete Series / Chicago Event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ____THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ presents Barbara Cully :: Frances Sjoberg Friday, Dec. 12 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB [Barbara Cully is the author of _The New Intimacy_ (Penguin, 1997), which won the National Poetry Series Open Competition, _Shoreline Series_ (Kore Press, 1997), and, most recently, _Desire Reclining_ (Penguin, 2003). She has received fellowships from the Arizona Commission on the Arts and has been Writer-in-Residence for the YMCA Writer's Voice. She has taught at the Prague Summer Writer's Program and currently teachers in the Department of English at the University of Arizona.] [Frances Sjoberg was born in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan and raised in Globe, Arizona, a small copper mining town. She received an MFA in Poetry from the Warren Wilson Program for Writers and her poetry has been published in _Sonora Review_, _Forklift Ohio_, _Barrow Street_, _Salamander_, _canwehaveourballback_, and in translation in _Critica_, a journal of the Universidad de Puebla in Mexico. Her work was also included in the chapbook anthology, _Poets for Peace_. Sjoberg is on the advisory board for the arts organization POG, is an ad-hoc board member for Kore Press, and is a contributing editor for Spork Magazine. Recently, she received a grant from the Fund for Poetry. She is the literary director of the University of Arizona Poetry Center.] 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For more information about this or upcoming events, email j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm ..If you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:24:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <1070747165.1718.8.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This poem is rather misleading. I don't think E.D. ever got published with idiosyncrasies intact during her lifetime, and certainly all the "early" book publications re-punctuated and generally scrubbed up the work. Only relatively recently have we had editions that attempt to be more faithful to the manuscripts. On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Josh Robinson wrote: > for what it's worth: > > EMILY DICKINSON > > Higgledy-piggledy > Emily Dickinson > Liked to use dashes > Instead of full stops. > > Nowadays, faced with such > Idiosyncrasy, > Critics and editors > Send for the cops. > > Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) > > all best, > > j > > On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: > > Hi all. > > > > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > > for example) > > > > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > Julie K > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:41:08 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Re: emily d question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The film touches on some of the impossibility of making a "traditional" = documentary about E.D., and the filmmaker does a nice job tracking down = some of the more eccentric homage to her life and writing. It played = locally in Providence - perhaps Mike Magee saw it also? All Best, Kyle P.S. If Jessica's link didn't work, you might try: = http://www.dickinsonfilm.com/about/list.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:42:11 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Julie, Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You = Is..." -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: emily d question >=20 > Hi all. >=20 >=20 > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, = from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many = visual > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie = Dill > for example) >=20 >=20 > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to = poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >=20 >=20 > thanks for your time-- >=20 >=20 > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:02:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <000201c3bc6b$b78fc100$0200a8c0@WORKSHOP> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wonderful, thank you! on 12/6/2003 7:42 PM, Ben Basan at pimetrum@ZAD.ATT.NE.JP wrote: > Hi Julie, > > Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You Is..." > > -Ben > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: emily d question >> >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill >> for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> >> Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: Re: knife MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This: Knife I was out one night acrawling and acreeping. I spied a fair maiden asnoring and asleeping. Just lay your leg over me, do. Says I, "My pretty monarch, I'll come to bed to you." She snored, and replied, "Just come to bed to me, and lay your leg over me do." "Your drawers are so tight that I can not undo them." She snored, and replied, "Then take a knife to them. Just lay your leg over me, do." "I haven't owned a knife since I can remember." She snored, and replied, "There's a knife in the window. Just lay your leg over me, do." The knife was got down and the drawers was cut under, and then they went at it like alightning and athunder and alay your leg over me, do. In about nine months, this maid fell aweeping, and then she remembered the snoring and the creeping and the "Lay your leg over me, do." The babe it was born. It was an awful wonder that it wasn't killed by the lightning and the thunder and the "Lay your leg over me, do." From Vance Randolph's ROLL ME IN YOUR ARMS, a collection of "unprintable" folk songs from the Ozarks, edited by Gershon Legman (University of Arkansas Press, 1992) I first heard the song on my friends' album, SPINE. Check out the band Cordelia's Dad at http://www.cordeliasdad.com AARON ===== "We were fervent listeners... we were like sticks of dynamite." 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JFK ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 00:55:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Jennifer's Configuration of the World-Picture MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Jennifer's Configuration of the World-Picture I left out some other very important aspects of the world picture that the could have extended this discussion by taking note of the configuration of Solomons Let v(e) denote the probability of observing a configuration in the set e the larger question here, a systematic elaboration of the world-picture which quantum did not necessarily involve a wish to abandon the mechanical world picture. aptly summarized the situation as follows: The whole cultural configuration at the subject (127). 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The above world picture arises out of the late David Bohms nonlocal hidden functions domain is the system s classical-mechanical configuration space not or - at a higher level of analysis - implication for the configuration of the No complete world-picture can be generated, without use of both modes of construal Shakespeare criticism, rival discoursive practices, hierarchical configuration of power result in aspecific variant of this authors ironic world picture. the features cannot be included on the map, but with GIS, any configuration of layers from New York State also allows us to layer a real world picture onto our sequence of observations. ... ... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 01:12:01 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: knife In-Reply-To: <200312070003747.SM01976@acsu.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Standby. You're on the air. Buenos noches Senores y Senoras. Bienvenidos. La primera pregunta es: Que es mas macho, pineapple o knife? Well, let's see. My guess is that a pineapple is more macho than a knife. Si! Correcto! Pineapple es mas macho que knife. - from "Smoke Rings" by Laurie Anderson ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:04:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <000201c3bc6b$b78fc100$0200a8c0@WORKSHOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Barbara Penn (see did an installation piece, maybe more than one, with representations of Dickinson's work. Some of that work was in a group exhibition in 1997 titled Language as Object: Emily Dickinson and Contemporary Visual Art, at Mead Art Museum, Amherst, MA -- so you might contact that museum and see if you can find other artists who had work in that show. Charles > > Hi all. > > > > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > > for example) > > > > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 22:23:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I suggest Susan Howe's book "The Birth-mark" as a very interesting look at the editorial work of Mr. Franklin--while he did exhaustive and brilliant work in reordering the poems and returning fragments to pages by matches stationery types, doing deep handwriting analysis, and comparing water-marks, placement of rough-edges etc to try to recreate fascicle order (the booklets were mostly cut apart, and re-ordered by the various camps of editors), he still refutes Howe's notion that Dickinson's lineation was intentional, and that the marks on Dickinson's manuscript should be read visually--they are also not merely long uniformly sized dashes, often plus marks, slanted dashes, periods in the middle of sentences, etc-- Howe reproduces some manuscript pages in the article, which if memory serves, is called "Flame Generosities" (part of this work is linked at the Howe page at EPC), but one comes away from article thinking only to find the actual Manuscript Book facsimiles that Franklin put out several years ago: it does not contain all of the Dickinson poems, but is better than even the Franklin varorium (did I spell that right?) as that regularizes lineation also-- Perhaps, Julie, the most radical and subversive "representation" you could do of Dickinson would be to include in your project Dickinson herself: in her own handwriting, her own poems, own self-- Please share more information as you continue working: it sounds very very interesting; best of luck with it, Kazim --- Steven Shoemaker wrote: > This poem is rather misleading. I don't think E.D. > ever got published > with idiosyncrasies intact during her lifetime, and > certainly all the > "early" book publications re-punctuated and > generally scrubbed up the > work. Only relatively recently have we had editions > that attempt to be > more faithful to the manuscripts. > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Josh Robinson wrote: > > > for what it's worth: > > > > EMILY DICKINSON > > > > Higgledy-piggledy > > Emily Dickinson > > Liked to use dashes > > Instead of full stops. > > > > Nowadays, faced with such > > Idiosyncrasy, > > Critics and editors > > Send for the cops. > > > > Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ > (1986) > > > > all best, > > > > j > > > > On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot > wrote: > > > Hi all. > > > > > > > > > I am working on a project in which I want to > look at 20th century > > > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and > poetry. So many poets, from > > > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems > about Miss D and many visual > > > artist have also done representations of her or > with her work (Leslie Dill > > > for example) > > > > > > > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me > any references to poems or > > > artist that they can think of so I can look up > their work! > > > > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > > > > Julie K > > ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 23:33:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Julie Kizershot Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <20031207062340.99167.qmail@web40809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thank you everyone for all the suggestions for this Emily D project of mine. Now I am excited to check out the references! Keep 'em coming if you think of them! best, Julie K- on 12/6/2003 11:23 PM, Kazim Ali at kaajumiah@YAHOO.COM wrote: > I suggest Susan Howe's book "The Birth-mark" as a very > interesting look at the editorial work of Mr. > Franklin--while he did exhaustive and brilliant work > in reordering the poems and returning fragments to > pages by matches stationery types, doing deep > handwriting analysis, and comparing water-marks, > placement of rough-edges etc to try to recreate > fascicle order (the booklets were mostly cut apart, > and re-ordered by the various camps of editors), he > still refutes Howe's notion that Dickinson's lineation > was intentional, and that the marks on Dickinson's > manuscript should be read visually--they are also not > merely long uniformly sized dashes, often plus marks, > slanted dashes, periods in the middle of sentences, > etc-- > > Howe reproduces some manuscript pages in the article, > which if memory serves, is called "Flame Generosities" > (part of this work is linked at the Howe page at EPC), > but one comes away from article thinking only to find > the actual Manuscript Book facsimiles that Franklin > put out several years ago: it does not contain all of > the Dickinson poems, but is better than even the > Franklin varorium (did I spell that right?) as that > regularizes lineation also-- > > Perhaps, Julie, the most radical and subversive > "representation" you could do of Dickinson would be to > include in your project Dickinson herself: in her own > handwriting, her own poems, own self-- > > Please share more information as you continue working: > it sounds very very interesting; best of luck with it, > > Kazim > > > > --- Steven Shoemaker wrote: >> This poem is rather misleading. I don't think E.D. >> ever got published >> with idiosyncrasies intact during her lifetime, and >> certainly all the >> "early" book publications re-punctuated and >> generally scrubbed up the >> work. Only relatively recently have we had editions >> that attempt to be >> more faithful to the manuscripts. >> >> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Josh Robinson wrote: >> >>> for what it's worth: >>> >>> EMILY DICKINSON >>> >>> Higgledy-piggledy >>> Emily Dickinson >>> Liked to use dashes >>> Instead of full stops. >>> >>> Nowadays, faced with such >>> Idiosyncrasy, >>> Critics and editors >>> Send for the cops. >>> >>> Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ >> (1986) >>> >>> all best, >>> >>> j >>> >>> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot >> wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am working on a project in which I want to >> look at 20th century >>>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and >> poetry. So many poets, from >>>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems >> about Miss D and many visual >>>> artist have also done representations of her or >> with her work (Leslie Dill >>>> for example) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me >> any references to poems or >>>> artist that they can think of so I can look up >> their work! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your time-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie K >>> > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 02:08:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kristen Gallagher Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline THEEE strangest thing I ever saw in this vein was a self-help tape, by Marion Woodman, called "Emily Dickinson and the Demon Lover." Strangest reading of Dickinson EVER. The helper's voice, reading several Dickisnon poems (Johnson edition versions!), shudders in a way I can only say seems maybe creepy, but may be almost campy. Ever wonder why you want to shut yourself away and just quit? This tape may be for you! KG --On Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:12 PM -0700 Julie Kizershot wrote: > Hi all. > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > thanks for your time-- > > > Julie K > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:30:31 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Zervos Subject: Re: audio poems In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some of my audio poems here, thanks to kevin and his friend rocco de giacomo http://www.latchkey.net/poets/komninos_zervos/ Latchkey.net is a Canadian e-zine created for writers, artists and spectators alike, acting as an online venue for the arts. 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Corresponding to Electric field (4ssfiffl FOUND CONFUSING TIME. august highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:33:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kaplan Page Harris Subject: Re: emily d question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The documentary that somebody mentioned, _Loaded Gun_, was a great success with my class earlier this semester. One highlight is the tatoo of ED that Philip Jenks has across his entire back. The same class had to visit an exhibit by Leslie Dill, a contemporary artist who uses lines from Dickinson throughout her work, such as a dress with the poetry lines running through the seams. Also check out Elaine Equi's poem, "The Movie Version." Here are the first two stanzas: I was reading Emily Dickinson when suddenly her poem begins speaking in the voice of Mia Farrow--a young Mia as she was in _Rosemary's Baby_ recites: "Heart! We will forget him! You and I--tonight!" with resolution in her strange faux English accent as if she were speaking about Frank Sinatra... (from _The Cloud of Unknowable Things_, Coffee House, 2003) --- Julie Kizershot wrote: > Hi all. > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at > 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and > poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about > Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with > her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any > > references to poems or > > artist that they can think of so I can look up their > > work! > thanks for your time-- > > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:53:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sylvester pollet Subject: emily d question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Julie, here's one I did for a celebration. Each of us was given one of her recipes to bake/bring to a reading (Orono, Maine). This appeared in Codrescue's Exquisite Corpse way back when it was on paper. For Emily Dickinson, The Centennial of her Death To make a cake according to her recipe you have to break a fresh coconut. First, though, you have to drive a spike through its eyes. It isn't easy. It has the face of a baby fur seal and when the spike pierces the eyes it weeps, leaving wet trails across the dry brown fur. You must not slip or lose your nerve-- you need a cupful of this liquid for the cake. To steady your hand, think of the many times she must have filled the cup with tears, and turned away to bake. May 15, 1986 Sylvester Pollet ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:03:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Re: audio poems In-Reply-To: <000001c3bca4$c2c8bde0$d2b12dcb@qld.bigpond.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday, December 7, 2003, at 01:30 AM, K Zervos wrote: > some of my audio poems here, thanks to kevin and his friend rocco de > giacomo > > > http://www.latchkey.net/poets/komninos_zervos/ > > Latchkey.net is a Canadian e-zine created for writers, artists and > spectators alike, acting as an online venue for the arts. Latchkey.net > features one writer and one artist on a monthly basis. Interested > writers > and artists are encouraged to submit samples of their work. > > > komninos > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 08:23:49 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: london--momentum - 21 poets from 21 years Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit INFO: london--momentum - 21 poets from 21 years ========================================= MOMENTUM Tuesday 16 December @ 7.30pm Queen Elizabeth Hall, South Bank Centre, London SE1 Charge: 9.00 / 6.00 ... Momentum - 21 poets from 21 years... An all-star spoken word extravaganza closes the birthday festivities at the Queen Elizabeth Hall. 21 poets create a three-hour chorus of the finest performance poetry ever to cross a single stage. 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Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:03:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: emily d question In-Reply-To: <000201c3bc6b$b78fc100$0200a8c0@WORKSHOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" or Jack SPicer's "Dash." At 11:42 AM +0900 12/7/03, Ben Basan wrote: >Hi Julie, > >Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You Is..." > >-Ben > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: emily d question >> >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill >> for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > Julie K -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 10:40:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Larsen Subject: Re: Knife in Art In-Reply-To: <3FD24951.956D5CFF@pacbell.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If it's really Open Knife Season, I would like to dust off my very favorite, from Neruda's "Walking Around." I think it's from 1931 or '32: Sin embargo ser=EDa delicioso asustar a un notario con un lirio cortado o dar muerte a una monja con un golpe de oreja. Ser=EDa bello ir por las calles con un cuchillo verde y dando gritos hasta morir de fr=EDo. "Nevertheless it would be a delight to menace a notary with a single cut lily or bring death to a nun with one blow to her ear. How lovely to go through the streets raising shouts and a green knife until I am frozen to death." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:00:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i hardly MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i hardly at i think http://www.asondheim.org/ those of ?.png for example l.png or such i'll just keep working on painting until i get it right painting and painting i know it will come then my paintings will work you'll see it just takes obsession you have to be obsessed then it will come i'm working on my painting plein aire a life-time of learning how to see they will come i will get it right __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:05:35 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: the miracle of academia Comments: To: Kirby Olson In-Reply-To: <3FD23584.4AA75E9D@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The question, Kirby, is friendships on what terms? Yes, we are friends with Vietnam, but that took years, and only after their economy came to a grinding halt. The problem is that the US never wants friendships of equality, but only of subordination. Less the French & the English, more the Russians and their ex-satellites. If this country is predominated by the notion of mutual aid, why have we since the 19th century tried to manage the politics of Central and South America? Why haven't we even tried to resolve our conflict with Cuba, which surely would evolve back into a US friendly, but distinctly other nation if we would simply stop the embargo. Mind you, the rest of the international community isn't unhappy about our intransigence. And if the reason is principally anti-communist or anti-totalitarian, then why we do we curry favor with China is not yet capitalist and remains authoritarian? Is it because international politics can only be carried out in a hobbesian manner? Then what does this say about domestic relations? And yet there have been massive movements where mutual aid, trust, and support were the mechanisms. I know some on this list will dismiss the Marshall Plan, but compare it to what is happening now, where we are acting like Israel with its occupied territories. We don't live in a hobbesian world. A hobbesian world is where mutual aid only occurs because of fear of the other. This is the "natural" state, and the explanation for how culture arises out of violence. But it seems to me wrong. Rousseau's depiction of the natural state is far more accurate, if there was such an ontological entity. We would simply walk around in our solitude and only solicit attention when we needed to reproduce out of some unfathomable imperative. We only have love, culture, buildings, even capitalism, because we can trust each other and depend on each other at least some of the time. Yet our leaders either believe we live in a hobbesian world, or want us to believe we do, the better to hold on to power. I believe that acting in the international sphere as if it was hobbesian has been what has brought this time about. The idea that the Iraquis will be our friends is naive. The Arab world doesn't particularly like its former colonial powers, England and France. Africans don't like the British particularly. In the US we can point to our internal colonies, or even to Canada. If you want to be world power one, you don't have friends. Of course, many of these cultures are hospitable, generous, even forgiving of the US, but that is simply what older cultures do. After enough fighting, you realize that there are better things to do. But don't mistake it for friendship. Let's hope that the trauma that has created this time will the put the US on a steep learning curve once we realize the source of the anger. We're certainly not all bad. But we are young. And I mean young in terms of culture, not in something relatively ephemeral such as a political system. best, Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Kirby Olson wrote: > Hi Kazim, > > Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a > monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac > or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, > self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a > massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, > and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling > principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is > so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort > to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, > classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation > much more than the violent competition others attribute to these > supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my > experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see > this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save > Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really > human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that > indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they > were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that > it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not > natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we > are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as > friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it > is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from > there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did > research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy > named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and > so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the > game everybody is friends again. > > Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. > He may still be working there. He's fine. > > I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of > the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. > > He was just fine. > > Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. > > -- Kirby > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:49:07 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: a list of 20 books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When my daughter Mischa was a child I would offer to pay her to read challenging books and talk about them with me. It was low key and fun. An excuse to talk about things together. And it helped her, I think, to think and feel confident--to extend herself a little. Anyway, she's working on a doctorate in political science now and recently asked me for a list of 20 "literary" books that I think everyone should read. A pretty challenging request, really. My answers would vary over time. Here, though, is the list as it stands now: 1. If Not, Winter: Fragments of Sappho by Anne Carson 2. Tender Buttons by Gertrude Stein 3. Collected Fictions of Jorge Luis Borges 4. Any book of poems by Paul Celan 5. Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel Proust 6. Emerson's Essays 7. Collected Poems of Robert Creeley 8. My Life by Lyn Hejinian 9. Ulysses by James Joyce 10. My Emily Dickinson by Susan Howe 11.Letter to His Father by Kafka 12. The Divine Comedy by Dante 13. Ketjak by Ron Silliman 14. Walden by Thoreau 15. Reading Rilke by William H. Gass 16. Watt by Samuel Beckett 17. The Pleasures of the Text by Roland Barthes 18. Collected Works by Lorine Niedecker 19. Steal Away by C.D. Wright 20. Oracle Night by Paul Auster Of course, I post this with all sorts of misgivings for what's not included. But these are definitely 20 books I could not have done without. Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:02:51 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: xPress(ed) - new titles - Fall 2003 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline xPress(ed) - new titles - Fall 2003 Twenty new titles: gregory vincent st. thomasino: Go Mirrored ISBN 951-9198-37-7, 30 pages bill allegrezza: temporal nomads ISBN 951-9198-34-2, 32 pages ric carfagna: null set ISBN 951-9198-40-7, 39 pages ric carfagna: dakota journal ISBN 951-9198-41-5, 16 pages andrew lundwall: eye pharmacy ISBN 951-9198-27-X, 29 pages francis raven: some scenes of some life ISBN 951-9198-31-8, 16 pages donna kuhn: red plastic mystic fish ISBN 951-9198-26-1, 27 pages chris pusateri: berserker alphabetics ISBN 951-9198-30-X, 72 pages christophe casamassima: p s s t c a r d s ISBN 951-9198-35-0, 59 pages joel chace: itsstory ISBN 951-9198-39-3, 31 pages jeff harrison: LOOT ISBN 951-9198-36-9, 61 pages august highland: crash the silence #0001 ISBN 951-9198-25-3, 12 pages halvard johnson: G(e)nome ISBN 951-9198-38-5, 18 pages andrew penland: drunk on clover & dreaming of earth ISBN 951-9198-29-6, 34 pages rob mclennan: the true eventual story of buffalo bill ISBN 951-9198-28-8, 28 pages michael scharf: nine sonnets for late 90s literary culture ISBN 951-9198-18-0, 15 pages alan sondheim: cancer ISBN 951-9198-42-3, 85 pages eileen tabios: there, where the pages would end ISBN 951-9198-33-4, 93 pages sheila e.murphy: a motion come to silk ISBN 951-9198-44-X, 27 pages john byrum: state ISBN 951-9198-43-1, HTML All downloads are free, books are in PDF or HTML format. Next submissions starting from April 2004 (please query first) to mailto:info@xpressed.org Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xPress(ed) http://www.xpressed.org mailto:info@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:07:01 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: emily d question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are a lot of Corso poems with allusions to Emily D. Especially in the first two volumes. It's an odd poet for him to become enraptured by, but he was. The Boston period -- and the poems in Vestal Lady on Brattle -- have a lot of allusions to Emily D. But even in the last poems he sometimes will allude to her in a line or two. I wondered about this briefly in my book but not knowing Dickinson's work to the ground didn't want to make a mess of it, and had other fish to fry. In Michael Skau's book on Corso he guesses that the prison library at Danemora Prison where Corso was ensconced in the forties must have had a Dickinson book on its tiny library shelf. Still -- it really stuck with him, and nobody's ever mentioned it in the criticism except in passing. In his poem Columbia U. Reading -- there are four lines from an Emily D. poem cited -- see Skau p. 159. I can't remember all the places Corso cites her or alludes to her, and didn't take notes on this. -- Kirby Olson Ben Basan wrote: > Hi Julie, > > Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You Is..." > > -Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > > On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot > > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: emily d question > > > > Hi all. > > > > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > > for example) > > > > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > > > > thanks for your time-- > > > > > > Julie K ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:15:00 +0100 Reply-To: Kevin Magee Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: BOT TAK Comments: cc: Lukyanova MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Hello, Why do you send me a text in Russian. I cannot publish it, as "My Mission" accepts only English language. I would also accept bi-lingual (Russian/English) Sorry," [signed] - corporate member of the experimental platform for net based art - ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:59:52 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: the miracle of academia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Joel, Allen's later years are the Buddhist ones, and I suppose the Dalai Lama when he talks about all hostility being based on igorance is one answer. But what do you do with an unbearably ignorant person like Charles Manson, or Adolf Hitler? Or even the communist Chinese who have taken over Tibet and killed hundreds of thousands, and go on doing so. The DL just wants to wait and see, and smile a lot. He doesn't want to get his hands dirty. It's very hard to understand what to do and on what basis, but somethng has to be done. George Bush has said that his political hero is Jesus Christ. I think this is a major mistake. Christ is God. To act as he would act is not within our capability -- our actions are always tainted by selfishness, and blindness. And we can't clean up the world -- Christ even says we should not try because we are so silly that we will just make a mess of it. HE says this by implication in the parable about the separation of wheat and chaff. It's not really within our power to understand, and he says when we try to do it we'll just kill the whole harvest. There is something in this, but I don't think you can just let Manson run free either. Or Adolf. In some ways hatred does seem to be based on illusion. I lived in France for a long spell and frequently visit and usually the French start off hating me because I'm an American but then it turns out I know their literature as well as they do, and can speak French, and slowly they start to like me, and then invite me for dinner, and then we're friends. I can't believe that the same thing is not happening in Iraq. Most people just naturally want to be friends. It's the norm. There are freaks who try to do depressing things but they're freaks. There is another curious paradox -- even people who are completely evil never seem to realize this. I think that everybody believes that they are good, and that what they are doing is good. Even Manson must have felt this when he ordered the hit on Sharon Tate and co. He felt that they deserved it because they were capitalists, or because they had scorned him in an orgy (I read this somewhere). My answers for these things all come from within Lutheranism, and the two kingdoms doctrine, but the Buddhist ones are more palatable in present company. So we'll leave it at illusion. I do think Bush has gone too far with his hasty attack, and that our alliances are stretched pretty thin. But there is no country that is without evil. Even the charming French with their blistering attack on the Rainbow Warrior. The French still have a powerful security apparatus which occasionally will react very destructively -- there are all kinds of dark secrets within the French nation -- even though they are currently posing as a yogurt company. There was a charming actress named Pauline Laffont who had worked as a prostitute in the French diplomatic service, but when she told about this in an interview she ended up dead in a forest two days later. If you live in France, or in Finland, you see things like this all the time in the newspaper. So my belief in ultimate friendship is tempered with paranoia and terror. I'm just talking about what Burroughs used to call the loooooooooonnnnng view. And maybe he and the Dalai Lama had something in common there in that they had a lot of patience. I don't know any short cuts. This kingdom runs on an animal basis, and is different from the next. I draw on the next one in hope that it will have the universal love that is promised. At the same time, I am afraid I will find the next one a little dull by comparison to this. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:46:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: Poets' life span Comments: cc: ubuweb@eGroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: base64 DQoNCg0KDQoiQW5kIGhlcmUncyBhIHZlcnkgb2RkIGZhY3Qg4oCUIGFjY29yZGluZyB0byBhIHN0 dWR5IG91dCBvZiB0aGUgVW5pdmVyc2l0eQ0Kb2YsIHVoLCBTYW4gQmVybmFkaW5vLiBQb2V0cy4g UG9ldHMgZGllIHlvdW5nZXIgdGhhbiB0aGUgZ2VuZXJhbA0KcG9wdWxhdGlvbi4gUG9ldHMgaGF2 ZSBhbiBhdmVyYWdlIGxpZmUgc3BhbiBvZiA2MCB5ZWFycyBvbGQuIFRoZXkgc2F5IG9uZQ0Kb2Yg dGhlIHJlYXNvbnMgaXMgcG9ldHMgYXJlIG1vcmUgbGlrZWx5IHRvIHN1ZmZlciBmcm9tIGRlcHJl c3Npb24uLi4NCuKAlCB3aGVuIHRoZXkgcmVhbGl6ZSB0aGV5IGhhdmUgbm8gbWFya2V0YWJsZSBz a2lsbHMuLi4uICdJIGNhbid0IGRvDQphbnl0aGluZy4nIg0K4oCUIEpheSBMZW5vLCBmcm9tIGhp cyBtb25vbG9nIG9uIHRoZSBUb25pdGUgU2hvdywgRGVjLiA0LCAyMDAzLg== ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:13:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: LITSAM@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Poets' life span MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the world of Comedy, isn't it true that Jay Leno is known as the Rod McKuen of the yuk?!? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: <ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU> To: <POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFAL= O.EDU> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Poets' life span > > > > > "And here's a very odd fact =E2=80=94 according to a study out of the Univ= ersity > of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general > population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one > of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... > =E2=80=94 when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't do > anything.'" > =E2=80=94 Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:26:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Spider's Sonnet To The Moon Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed how oft the flow'ret's silken leaves conceal a shroud's bauble seated 'pon half her brow tender still little moon, ever believe we're your own thirst run aground tho your appetite's the wolf's will she swallow the spider? no, she'd rather the forgetful wedding this scene anchors: "Daughter of Idmon, I'm a lazy housekeeper - tho cornered, don't fret" _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:57:16 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Poets' life span Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 jay leno is a cocksucker jay leno has no redeeming cultural value. ----- Original Message ----- From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:46:51 -0500 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Poets' life span > > > > > "And here's a very odd fact — according to a study out of the University > of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general > population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one > of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... > — when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't do > anything.'" — Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:20:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Futurepoem Book Party - Thursday Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetry City & Futurepoem books invite you to a book party to celebrate the publication of: THE ESCAPE by Jo Ann Wasserman Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:00 P.M., FREE Teachers & Writers Collaborative 5 Union Square West, 7th Floor, NYC (between 14th and 15th Sts.) with readings by Wasserman, Brenda Coultas, David Cameron & Gillian McCain & Wine and cheese reception. "In these brilliant sestinas of assemblage and their tenuous enkomion asides, the reader is taken/taking place, as if in detailed alignment with the poet-family footage scattered over the floor and glued back warily as Wasserman constructs her map of escape from that loving tyranny. An extraordinary first book in which every utterance is compelled by the imagination's fleeing from the known." - Kathleen Fraser "The Escape is a kinetic maelstrom in which Wasserman's attention is always laconic and precise...a calmly breathless, run-on sentence that gathers information at every instant, while careening downhill...prose where diary and fiction slip around each other...a music that is intoxicating and unmistakable in its honoring of the turbulence of being alive in the not so distant present, past and future." - John Yau "There is much at stake in this book: 'motherhood, fortune, providence, the stars and then depression...the false Italy' or false anything vs. a real me or you. This book is 'round, soft, sad, expensive, pink'...it is also dark, sharp-limbed, heart-wrenching, hilarious and smart. Kafka once declared ' A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us.' In form and in content, this is one of the bravest books of poetry I've read." - Eleni Sikelianos JO ANN WASSERMAN is the author of two chapbooks of poetry "What Counts As Proof (Sugarbooks) and "We Build Mountains" (a+bend press). Her work has appeared in The World, Grand Street, can we have our ball back? and The East Village. She is the former Managing Editor of How2, an online journal of innovative writing by women, and former Program Coordinator at The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. She recently earned an M.F.A. in poetics from the New College of California and currently lives in New York City where she works for Granary Books. The Escape is book #3 in the Futurepoem series, selected by 2002/03 editors Brenda Coultas, Anselm Berrigan, Laird Hunt and Dan Machlin. Futurepoem is supported in part by grants from The New York State Council on the Arts Literature Program, The New York Community Trust and Fractured Atlas. Donations are tax-deductible through our non-profit sponsor Fractured Atlas Productions, Inc. Futurepoem books can be ordered from SPD books, www.spdbooks.org. For more information, go to http://www.futurepoem.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:31:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Clements Subject: San Diego Events? In-Reply-To: <010001c3b943$46f2a3c0$50810744@homed15uzplty8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone have interesting readings or events to recommend in San Diego Dec. 27-30? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:43:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sarah Mangold Subject: Bird Dog Seeking Submissions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bird Dog: A dog used to retrieve game birds. To follow a subject of interest with persistent attention. A scout . . . Bird Dog, a journal of innovative writing and art: collaborations, interviews, collage, poetry, poetics, long poems, reviews, graphs, charts, short fiction, non-fiction, cross genre... Postmark deadline for Issue 5: January 15, 2004 Issue Four featured new work by: Alicia Cohen, Laura Sims, Christine Hume, Drew Kunz, Hung Q. Tu, M. K.Babcock, Chris McCreary, Joanna Sondheim, Meredith Quartermain, Kerri Sonnenberg, Adriana Grant, Elise Ficarra, Brent Armendinger, Mark DuCharme, Joesph Noble, and Jane Sprague reviews _Pollen Memory_ by Laynie Browne. Bird Dog is published bi-annually (roughly Winter and Summer) 7x9, perfect-bound, ISSN 1546-0479. Subscriptions $12.00 for two issues. Individual copies $6. Checks payable to Sarah Mangold. Submissions, Subscriptions, Queries: Bird Dog c/o Sarah Mangold 1819 18th Avenue Seattle, WA 98122 www.birddogmagazine.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:29:00 -0800 Reply-To: queerjihad@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ytzhak Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: CRD My Dog andIan Fraser -- New Victoria Poundkeeper MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...and how odd Ian Fraser has always been the head man in charge of harassing me and my dog (who is pure-bred) and trying to take him away from me. He who has harassed me to the point where I can't enjoy walking with my buddy like I use to. people ask where he is (they are so use to see us together) but Ian Fraser has shown a far too close and threatening interest and our lives. I've said this earlier that I got more of the impression that he wanted the dog for other reasons was trying to figure out ways to get him from me. This time using the CRD position to get him. well read on to the latest news ...funny that Victoria Independent Media Center Original article is at http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/19140.php Ian Fraser -- New Victoria Poundkeeper by Colin Carson ïSunday December 07, 2003 at 02:03 PM citizencaninevic@shaw.ca After a secret meeting last Thursday morning, Victoria City Council made it public that it has decided to give the Victoria dog management/animal control contract to Ian Fraser -- a well-known CRD Bylaw Enforcement officer operating in Victoria. After a secret meeting last Thursday morning, Victoria City Council made it public that it has decided to give the Victoria dog management/animal control/enforcement contract to Ian Fraser -- a well-known CRD Bylaw Enforcement officer operating in Victoria. The three year contract will provide for Ian Fraser's company, which he's calling Victoria Animal Control Services, to operate a pound out of a notorious pet store on David Street called 'All Creatures Great and Small'. The pet store's speciality are so-called 'exotic' animals -- though they also sell 'bred' puppies and kittens. Conflict of interest?? Some of you may have had some experiences with Ian Fraser or may have an opinion about this move, questions about his qualifications, etc. If so, it is vital that you make a point of letting City council know about your feelings right away. This piece of business will get official endorsement during this Thursday eveningís City Council Meeting (December 11). If you have an opinion, please make sure to share it with the Victoria City Council by letter, telephone or e-mail asap. There has been no public forum on this issue. 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Poets. Poets die younger than the general >population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one >of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... >— when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't do >anything.'" >— Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:42:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Davies Subject: Re: Poets' life span In-Reply-To: <20031208005716.17973.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If Jay Leno were a cocksucker, he'd be -much- more interesting. >jay leno >is a cocksucker > >jay leno >has no redeeming cultural value. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU >Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:46:51 -0500 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Poets' life span > >> >> >> >> >> "And here's a very odd fact =92=C4=EE according to a study out of the Uni= versity >> of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general >> population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one >> of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... >> =92=C4=EE when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't d= o >> anything.'" >=92=C4=EE Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. >-- >_______________________________________________ >Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net >Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just >US$9.95 per year! > >Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:23:54 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Artist's's's's book Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Keri, yr on, just send me yr addie. and all will be fine. Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Keri Thomas Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:43:46 -0500 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Artist's's's's book > Sign me up > > Keri Thomas > > > >From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU > >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > >Subject: Poets' life span > >Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:46:51 -0500 > > > > > > > > > > > >"And here's a very odd fact — according to a study out of the University > >of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general > >population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one > >of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... > >— when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't do > >anything.'" > >— Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. > Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 19:49:00 -0800 Reply-To: junction@earthlink.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know of a listlike this for fiction writers? 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We must charge shipping for orders out of the US. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:19:53 -0800 Reply-To: pdunagan@lycos.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: the miracle of academia Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby - As far as "Howl" goes I'd say irregardless of one's personal "beliefs" concerning A.G.'s use of "Moloch" that what, hopefully, carries the poem-- insuring its end result as a Thing of "use"-- is the over-all Form with which A.G. lined the Thing up, especially in how it calls forth Whitman and Blake, along with the Old Testament, etc. As for "hysteria" I'd say A.G. summed it up pretty good with the phrase "insanity-inducing-institution" which may be applied to various institutions: Catholic Church, CIA, FBI, etc. - Patrick -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:01:09 From: Kirby Olson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: >Hi Kazim, > >Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a >monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac >or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, >self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a >massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, >and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling >principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is >so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort >to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, >classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation >much more than the violent competition others attribute to these >supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my >experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see >this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save >Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really >human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that >indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they >were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that >it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not >natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we >are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as >friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it >is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from >there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did >research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy >named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and >so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the >game everybody is friends again. > >Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. >He may still be working there. He's fine. > >I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of >the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. > >He was just fine. > >Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. > >-- Kirby > ____________________________________________________________ Get advanced SPAM filtering on Webmail or POP Mail ... 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U.S. Military, Bush Administration Whine That Press Reported U.S. Bombers Killed More Kids: New $3.7 Billion Bullying Intiative In U.S. Aimed At Increasing "Rumsfeld/McNamara/Manson/Albright/Kissinger Type Pathologies." by Rubbert Merdeduckt The Assassinated Press Click here: The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:47:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: New York City Reading on Thursday Evening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ceres Gallery will hold a reading this Thursday at 7:30, at 547 W. 27th = St., 2nd Floor. All proceeds go to Planned Parenthood. There will be = three readers: Chard deNiord Basil King Rochelle Ratner. All will be reading from their new Marsh Hawk Press books (see: = marshhawkpress.org). Burt Kimmelman ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:23:14 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: a list of 20 books Comments: To: Tom Beckett In-Reply-To: <15a.2923aa6d.2d04ec43@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Tom, This is a great little project. My dad used to give me a list of words to look up every week in our big OED; the one with the magnifying glass in the little drawer so that you can read the tiny onion paper text. As for your list I'd include Aristotle's Poetics and Erich Auerbach's Mimesis : the representation of reality in Western literature. there you go, kevin ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:39:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Poets' life span In-Reply-To: <20031208005716.17973.qmail@graffiti.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" not quite so. jay leno made many canny remarks that could be construed as mildly subversive during the opening phase of the never-to-be-ended 2nd gulf war, last march and april... At 8:57 AM +0800 12/8/03, furniture_ press wrote: >jay leno >is a cocksucker > >jay leno >has no redeeming cultural value. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU >Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 18:46:51 -0500 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Poets' life span > >> >> >> >> >> "And here's a very odd fact - according to a study out of the University >> of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general >> population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one >> of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... >> - when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:39:37 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: futurism and dada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm wondering about any sort of influence that futurism may have had on dada. i imagine that Tzara would have heard (or hear of) Marinetti's sound poems but then i always think of Ball's poems with out words as a sort of beginning. the first futurist manifesto was in 1909 and the cabaret voltaire gets going in 1916 but did any of the italians to to zurich? also, the dadas were an international group but were the futurists initially influencial outside italy? i know that marinetti visited moscow but the zaumnauts were refuseniks when it came to italian futurism. i guess i'm really intersted in any first wave crossover between the two groups. thanks, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 09:16:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: futurism and dada In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit did any of the italians go to zurich? 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Oceanophony premiered last = summer and will be performed at the American Museum of Natural History = in May. >=20 > Her poetry has appeared in The Paris Review, The Dark Horse, Western = Humanities Review, Hudson Review, The Washington Post Book World, = Feminist Studies, Wisconsin Review, Barrow Street, Carolina Quarterly, = Confrontation, Rattapallax, The Formalist, Janus, and other = publications, and has been featured three times on Garrison Keillor's = Writer's Almanac. Her work is also included in the anthologies The = Penguin Book of the Sonnet and American Poetry: The Next Generation. = Recipient of a Bossak-Heilbron Foundation Grant and a fellow at Yaddo = and at the Sewanee Writers' Conference, she has published articles, = profiles, and reviews in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Chamber Music = Magazine, and Gadfly Magazine. =20 >=20 > Ms. Light currently teaches at Hunter College and in Spring 2004 will = be Visiting Professor at Cornell University. Also a professional = violinist, she gives many readings annually around the country, and next = year will read in Japan and London. >=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:18:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reg Hargrove Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208153221.21517.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii there's a little journal out of d.c. called the dwp free journal. the writing's actually pretty interesting, and they review chapbooks. The DWP Free Journal 1929 Kenyon St. NW Washington, D.C. 20010 Betsy Andrews wrote: Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:19:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Re: futurism and dada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RoseLee Goldberg's _Performance Art: From Futurism to the Present_ traces a helpful timeline and lineage for Futurism and Dada, but I'm not sure if she addresses Italians going to Zurich. I think it's fair to say that the Russians were informed by Futurism but reinterpreted it for their own specific puposes. this might be a kind of influence.. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:32:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _The Georgia Review_ sends any chapbooks received to one guy who does read them all and chooses a few to review. > From: Reg Hargrove > Date: 2003/12/08 Mon PM 12:18:22 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? > > there's a little journal out of d.c. called the dwp free journal. the writing's actually pretty interesting, and they review chapbooks. > > The DWP Free Journal > 1929 Kenyon St. NW > Washington, D.C. 20010 > > Betsy Andrews wrote: > Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 10:49:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: futurism and dada In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kevin - In 1990, when I was publishing books under the Bedford Arts, Publishers imprint, we did a reprint of Marinetti's Futurist Cookbook - A wonderful collection of mainly inedible recipes served in for different, imaginary dining rooms of the most fantastic sort. (My Monday morning brain is too fogged to report from ROM!) The book was a big hit in concurrence among nineties installation/performance artists - particularly with Punk Artists and musicians bent on blowing away every conceivable inherited yoke. (Boy, do we need that energy - poet, visual, theatrical - from the young now before the Evangelicals of the Bush Right bring on a total case of National Collective Asthma! ) But your question does bring up a vague memory of Marinetti traveling to European capitals to spread the Futurist gospel, sell work. America, I forget. I am sure all traceable via Google. As with Pound, Marinetti was a brilliant innovator who got his nose stuck up Fascist fantasy solutions - which pretty much impaled interest in the value of his work. Paul Vangelisti, the poet - I think he is at the Otis Art Institute in Los Angeles - published Marinetti over the years, and is probably expert, if you can reach him. It can be wonderful stuff, even just the typography of it. Stephen Vincent on 12/8/03 9:09 AM, Kevin Hehir at khehir@CS.MUN.CA wrote: > Hi, > I'm wondering about any sort of influence that futurism may have had on > dada. i imagine that Tzara would have heard (or hear of) Marinetti's > sound poems but then i always think of Ball's poems with out words as a > sort of beginning. > > the first futurist manifesto was in 1909 and the cabaret voltaire gets > going in 1916 but did any of the italians to to zurich? also, the dadas > were an international group but were the futurists initially influencial > outside italy? i know that marinetti visited moscow but the zaumnauts were > refuseniks when it came to italian futurism. > > i guess i'm really intersted in any first wave crossover between the two > groups. > > thanks, > kevin > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:13:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: by the grace of: ayatolulullah MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII by the grace of: ayatolulullah ayenhZtalululullayeng krb5-layebhZ-1.2.7-1ode. ayenhZtalululullayeng kudzu-ode.99.99-1. ayenhZtalululullayeng kerrrrnel-2.4.2ode-8. ayenhZtalululullayeng kerrrrnel-pCLAWLAWLAWmCLAWLAWLAWayea-CLAWLAWLAWhZ-3.1.31-13. ayenhZtalululullayeng kbd-1.ode8-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng krbafukuukuukuhZ-1.1.1-9. ayenhZtalululullayeng krb5-devel-1.2.7-1ode. ayenhZtalululullayeng krbafukuukuukuhZ-devel-1.1.1-9. ayenhZtalululullayeng kudzu-devel-ode.99.99-1. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdelayebhZ-3.1-1ode. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdegamehZ-3.1-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdebahZe-3.1-12. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdeartwork-3.1-3. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdegraphayeCLAWLAWLAWhZ-3.1-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdemultayemedayea-3.1-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdeaddonhZ-3.1-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdenetwork-3.1-5. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdeutayelhZ-3.1-4. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdepayem-3.1-5. ayenhZtalululullayeng kdeadmayen-3.1-3. __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:30:19 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Poetics & Linguistics conference - NYU July 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe that some members of your list might be interested in the Conference I am hosting at NYU in July. A brief announcement with links follows: PALA, The Poetics and Linguistics Association (http://www.pala.ac.uk/), one of the oldest and most successful international organizations dedicated to the study of stylistics and related fields, is holding its 24th annual conference, its first in North America, at New York University, July 25-28, 2004. The full call for papers can be found at the conference web site at http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/english/PALA2004/. The theme is "Prospect & Retrospect": the first PALA conference in the "new world" will focus on both old and new "worlds" of poetics and linguistics. We invite abstracts and proposals for panel discussions and workshops in the following and related areas of interest: stylistics, narratology, literariness, literary linguistics, stylistics and pedagogy, critical discourse analysis, gender and writing, literary translation studies, linguistics and philosophy, metaphor, cognition, cognitive poetics, pragmatics, text-linguistics, corpus linguistics, text world theory, corpus stylistics, and statistical stylistics. Deadline: January 30, 2003 -- David L. Hoover, Assoc. Chair & Webmaster NYU Eng. Dept., 212-998-8832 http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/english/ "Nothing, not even moonshine, goes to the head quicker than saving democracy with other people's money." --Ellen Glasgow, _They Stooped to Folly_ (1929) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:52:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Clements Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208153221.21517.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sentence: A Journal of Prose Poetics will review chapbooks related to the editorial scope (prose poems, "poet's prose," other work on those borders) of the journal. The first issue reviews books and chapbooks by Dennis Barone, Robert Miltner, Liz Waldner, Liz Rosenberg, Jono Schneider, Gary Young, Susan Schultz, Karen Volkman, John Bradley, and anthologies by David Lehman, Ray Gonzalez, Gian Lombardo, Geoffrey Godbert. Second issue will review, among others, a new translation of Mistral and books and chapbooks by Rupert Loydell/Royselle Angwin, Brenda Coultas, Rachel Levitsky, Lesle Lewis, Daryl Scroggins, Eileen Tabios, Mark Terrill, and Nikki Santilli. Send review copies to Sentence, c/o Firewheel Editions, PO Box 793677, Dallas, TX 75379. Brian Clements (Editor of Sentence) Betsy Andrews wrote: Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:03:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208153221.21517.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi betsy and all, we had a thread last month, "Review magazines for a new poetry title," where we covered this topic somewhat, so it might be a good place for you to look. boog city reviews all printed matter, including chapbooks, and we have a monthly free distribution of 2,000--more than most any other publication that would review a chapbook. if you want yr title considered for review, you can mail it to our printed matter editor, Joanna Sondheim, to the below address. best, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:35:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Poets' life span MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Leno must be joking. Not having marketable skills has freed my mind and prolonged my life. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 3:46 PM Subject: Poets' life span > > > > > "And here's a very odd fact — according to a study out of the University > of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general > population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one > of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... > — when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't do > anything.'" > — Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:51:54 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: futurism and dada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The biggest influence on Tzara was a guy named Urmuz -- he blew his brains out after publishing about twenty pages of very strange little prose poems, and an essay about the universe from a Schopenhauerian viewpoint. I'm working on a book about Andrei Codrescu and hit this huge vein of Urmuz -- I think he blew his brains out about 1919, and Tzara tried to block the publication of Urmuz translations in France in the 1950s so as to not have his lack of originality widely known. Ionesco and many other Romanian greats such as Cioran and others point to Urmuz. As for Marinetti, I know that the top surrealists met him and were wowed by his style in about 1922. Soupault mentions this in his autobiography. But I don't know the links if they exist between the Italians and Tzara. Romanian and Italian are mutually comprehensible, or almost, I think that Codrescu said this in one of his autobiographies when he mentions first getting out of Romania and living in Italy for some time with his friend Julian Semilian. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:37:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: futurism and dada Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It would seem more likely that the influence cam from the Russian Cubo-futurists through artists like Malevich? tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 15:39:37 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208181822.28000.qmail@web20725.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" reg hargrove, are you related to roy hargrove? At 10:18 AM -0800 12/8/03, Reg Hargrove wrote: >there's a little journal out of d.c. called the dwp free journal. >the writing's actually pretty interesting, and they review chapbooks. > >The DWP Free Journal >1929 Kenyon St. NW >Washington, D.C. 20010 > >Betsy Andrews wrote: >Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:47:13 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Re: futurism and dada In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kevin, I'm on my way out the door but I can' pass this up.=20 Actually there was a huge amount of animosity between the two groups, possibly because they had so much in common, especially when it came to = the topic of sound. In fact, Marinetti sent Russolo and his famous noise machines to Paris on at least one occasion (around 1921) to deliberately upset Tzara and the other Dadaists. And upset them it did! Apparently = the Dadaist came to the show with threw fruit and other things to throw at Russolo in addition to the shouting etc. Its funny because a very = similar thing happened to Russolo in Milan (I think) performing in front of your average crowd of theater goers (in that case the whole thing ended up in punches). As for traveling, Marinetti did travel a lot. As far as I know he did go = to Russia, as you say, but was not totally despised. Kruchenykh didn't have much nice to say though! M. also went to London where he got a much = warmer reception. I've got to catch a train plufff plafff. More later, if you need. -Ben > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Kevin Hehir > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 2:10 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: futurism and dada >=20 > Hi, > I'm wondering about any sort of influence that futurism may have had = on > dada. i imagine that Tzara would have heard (or hear of) Marinetti's > sound poems but then i always think of Ball's poems with out words as = a > sort of beginning. >=20 > the first futurist manifesto was in 1909 and the cabaret voltaire gets > going in 1916 but did any of the italians to to zurich? also, the = dadas > were an international group but were the futurists initially = influencial > outside italy? i know that marinetti visited moscow but the zaumnauts = were > refuseniks when it came to italian futurism. >=20 > i guess i'm really intersted in any first wave crossover between the = two > groups. >=20 > thanks, > kevin >=20 > -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 13:59:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reg Hargrove Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii yes, actually, we're second cousins, though i like ted curson better Maria Damon wrote:reg hargrove, are you related to roy hargrove? At 10:18 AM -0800 12/8/03, Reg Hargrove wrote: >there's a little journal out of d.c. called the dwp free journal. >the writing's actually pretty interesting, and they review chapbooks. > >The DWP Free Journal >1929 Kenyon St. NW >Washington, D.C. 20010 > >Betsy Andrews wrote: >Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:14:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Scott Pound Organization: Bilkent University Subject: Re: Poetics & Linguistics conference - NYU July 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I attended last year's PALA meeting in Istanbul. It was a very good conference, and I highly recommend it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: Poetics & Linguistics conference - NYU July 2004 > I believe that some members of your list might be interested in the > Conference I am hosting at NYU in July. A brief announcement with links > follows: > > PALA, The Poetics and Linguistics Association (http://www.pala.ac.uk/), > one of the oldest and most successful international organizations > dedicated to the study of stylistics and related fields, is holding its > 24th annual conference, its first in North America, at New York > University, July 25-28, 2004. The full call for papers can be found at > the conference web site at > > http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/english/PALA2004/. > > The theme is "Prospect & Retrospect": the first PALA conference in the > "new world" will focus on both old and new "worlds" of poetics and > linguistics. We invite abstracts and proposals for panel discussions and > > workshops in the following and related areas of interest: stylistics, > narratology, literariness, literary linguistics, stylistics and > pedagogy, critical discourse analysis, gender and writing, literary > translation studies, linguistics and philosophy, metaphor, cognition, > cognitive poetics, pragmatics, text-linguistics, corpus linguistics, > text world theory, corpus stylistics, and statistical stylistics. > > Deadline: January 30, 2003 > > -- > David L. Hoover, Assoc. Chair & Webmaster > NYU Eng. Dept., 212-998-8832 > > http://www.nyu.edu/gsas/dept/english/ > > "Nothing, not even moonshine, goes to the head quicker than saving > democracy with other people's money." --Ellen Glasgow, _They > Stooped to Folly_ (1929) > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:18:32 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Urmuz In-Reply-To: <3FD4E469.F649A349@delhi.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby, fascinating stuff, never heard of the lad before, but my partner, who is Romanian, said she learned about him in high school. A search in google pulls up a couple things, tho most of the good stuff looks to be in italian & romanian. Ismail and Turnavitu (excerpt) http://www.cloudsmagazine.com/13/Urmuz_Ismail_and_Turnavitu.htm Fuchsiada http://www.corpse.org/issue_11/poesy/urmuz.html On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Kirby Olson wrote: > The biggest influence on Tzara was a guy named Urmuz -- he blew his > brains out > after publishing about twenty pages of very strange little prose > poems, and an > essay about the universe from a Schopenhauerian viewpoint. I'm > working on a > book about Andrei Codrescu and hit this huge vein of Urmuz -- I think > he blew > his brains out about 1919, and Tzara tried to block the publication of > Urmuz > translations in France in the 1950s so as to not have his lack of > originality > widely known. Ionesco and many other Romanian greats such as Cioran > and others > point to Urmuz. > > As for Marinetti, I know that the top surrealists met him and were > wowed by his > style in about 1922. > > Soupault mentions this in his autobiography. > > But I don't know the links if they exist between the Italians and > Tzara. > Romanian and Italian are mutually comprehensible, or almost, I think > that > Codrescu said this in one of his autobiographies when he mentions > first getting > out of Romania and living in Italy for some time with his friend Julian > Semilian. > > -- Kirby Olson > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 17:56:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allegrezza Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208153221.21517.qmail@web40608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit moria reviews chapbooks. www.moriapoetry.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Betsy Andrews Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:32 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: places that might review chapbooks? Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:08:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: <20031208215959.45023.qmail@web20727.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So do I. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Reg Hargrove Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 5:00 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? yes, actually, we're second cousins, though i like ted curson better Maria Damon wrote:reg hargrove, are you related to roy hargrove? At 10:18 AM -0800 12/8/03, Reg Hargrove wrote: >there's a little journal out of d.c. called the dwp free journal. >the writing's actually pretty interesting, and they review chapbooks. > >The DWP Free Journal >1929 Kenyon St. NW >Washington, D.C. 20010 > >Betsy Andrews wrote: >Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 19:49:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII dark and they are talking nonsense of all the luminaries, the sun is the brightest annihilation of the niagara falls breathing the air out and out and upwards hello valperga can you hear me can you hear me sir, everyone has left the air ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:07:39 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Urmuz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are three good sources in English, but the best one is hard to find. Look up Urmuz using World Catalog in your library and you'll see one book translated by something like Stavrogitch. That book is in four libraries in the U.S. Get one of them to lend it to you. Xerox it. The other is a journal called Adam that was published in London in the 80s by a Romanian emigre. They have a whole issue on Urmuz. The third source is if you read French the translations by Ionesco. I think those are still in print. That's probably the best writing as writing. I don't read Romanian, unfortunately, although I've dabbled at it for two decades, I never really get rolling in it -- I do two weeks and then quit. There is a Romanian critic by the name Ion Cornis-Pope who wrote a book called Romanian Postmodernism: The Unfinished Battles in Romanian Literature (I'm recalling the name off the top of my head) -- this book makes an argument for the centrality of Urmuz to the entire western XXth century avant-garde via Ionesco, Tzara, E.M. cioran, and many others who worked in Paris with the surrealists such as Gherasim Luca. All of them are using Urmuz as a shooting star. Even Codrescu has admitted that Urmuz is the atomic bomb that he brought in his suitcase with him from Romanian literature. It's a fascinating small corpus -- about twenty five pages in all, but almost every sentence is super-rich, and needs to be read carefully. I think there is a deeper cultural level for all this stuff -- but you have to be very versed in Romanian literature and history to see all the links and richness that the Romanian would see. I believe that Julian Semilian -- Codrescu's colleague with whom he escaped from Romania on the same plane -- is translating this material once more into English. He teaches somewhere in North Carolina at an art institute after thirty years as an editor in Hollywood. There is a massive underground Romanian avant-garde in America -- probably three hundred individuals with high-level jobs and amazing multifarious minds, and all of them relish this Urmuz, and see it as a touchstone. This avant-garde is widespread -- you can meet these people in France, in Israel, and I even met an amazing Romanian intellectual once in Lisbon and spent the day going to different gardens with him. He spoke quite excellent English. That's a weirdly rich country from an intellectual viewpoint. In Bucharest you make about ten dollars a month to work as a professor. I've met some of those profs and they are so profound and erudite that it's almost ridiculous -- hence Urmuz. -- Kirby mIEKAL aND wrote: > Kirby, fascinating stuff, never heard of the lad before, but my > partner, who is Romanian, said she learned about him in high school. A > search in google pulls up a couple things, tho most of the good stuff > looks to be in italian & romanian. > > Ismail and Turnavitu (excerpt) > http://www.cloudsmagazine.com/13/Urmuz_Ismail_and_Turnavitu.htm > > Fuchsiada > http://www.corpse.org/issue_11/poesy/urmuz.html > > On Monday, December 8, 2003, at 12:51 PM, Kirby Olson wrote: > > > The biggest influence on Tzara was a guy named Urmuz -- he blew his > > brains out > > after publishing about twenty pages of very strange little prose > > poems, and an > > essay about the universe from a Schopenhauerian viewpoint. I'm > > working on a > > book about Andrei Codrescu and hit this huge vein of Urmuz -- I think > > he blew > > his brains out about 1919, and Tzara tried to block the publication of > > Urmuz > > translations in France in the 1950s so as to not have his lack of > > originality > > widely known. Ionesco and many other Romanian greats such as Cioran > > and others > > point to Urmuz. > > > > As for Marinetti, I know that the top surrealists met him and were > > wowed by his > > style in about 1922. > > > > Soupault mentions this in his autobiography. > > > > But I don't know the links if they exist between the Italians and > > Tzara. > > Romanian and Italian are mutually comprehensible, or almost, I think > > that > > Codrescu said this in one of his autobiographies when he mentions > > first getting > > out of Romania and living in Italy for some time with his friend Julian > > Semilian. > > > > -- Kirby Olson > > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > > http://www.joglars.org > http://www.spidertangle.net > http://www.xexoxial.org > http://www.neologisms.us > http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > > "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 21:21:12 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Anti-Empire Report, #4, December 2003 Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Anti-Empire Report, #4, December 2003 by William Blum Special to the Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:35:14 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: BBC Special on Adorno & Music Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I thought some people might be interested in this show, available until Sunday morning US time, on Adorno and music. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio3_aod.shtml?hearandnow -Ben ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:20:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ". sandra" Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 5 Dec 2003 to 6 Dec 2003 (#2003-340) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline o.k this is a very naive question that entails a lot: i am a graduate student at the poetics progran @ UB BUFFALO that due to non poetic ( what is non-poetic?) circumstances will be travelling as much as she can between buffalo and NYC what would be , according this "poetics discussion group" (labels are labels) the best places that i could start correponding with in order to (maybe) be able to read my work (post scriptum: the poet does not require , at all, to be paid for a reading, in fact every reading is, according to this poet, another step in the editing/ revision process thanking in advance for feedback Sandra Guerreiro --On Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:03 AM -0500 Automatic digest processor wrote: > There are 26 messages totalling 1345 lines in this issue. > > Topics of the day: > > 1. Fw: New River Online (fwd) > 2. ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE > 3. UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY > 4. configuration > 5. jennifer's snow > 6. your call for poems based on real places > 7. freedom of expression (2) > 8. Roughtalleys Interactive:a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and > Flash 9. Come to the Party this Sunday: Reading and art opening at > FusionArts 10. the miracle of academia (3) > 11. emily d question (10) > 12. Knife in Art > 13. December Discrete Series / Chicago Event > 14. knife > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:49:42 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: Fw: New River Online (fwd) > > New River Online > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Falco > To: weishaus@pdx.edu > Cc: sondheim@panix.com > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:51 PM > Subject: New River Online > > > > > The New New River is Online at > http://www.cddc.vt.edu/journals/newriver > > > Shuen-shing Lee: > "Heart Changes" > & > Alan Sondheim and Joel Weishaus: > "Cybermidrash" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:18 -0800 > From: August Highland > Subject: ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE > > ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000001: > > Khaayaa. speed transfers. Question to show that TO HOLLYWOOD.) talked > to, or ones that. 2, hai. registry apne naam karaa. It, IF N< THEN : > PRINT S(N): before a towering door. 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With the rebirth of, [6 marks c) Consider all the BBS's > around the. Chachi ne mujhe paal pos is an earlier version. 1 x. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000006: > > : k=k+ rest are the variables. Ngr(z, x, y), is an earlier version 0. > Bole. main bhi unkaa allowing a larger ring GOTO : L(K)=L(K)+: IF. > Bucket., intezaam karnaa hai is hesitant to touch the. > *********************** [6 marks 1 with residue 1.. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000007: > > 3*x^0*y^5=x^2*y^6 + THEN : S(N)=ATN(S(N)):. The password???, work out > f(n), the exact jaayeinge aur tum aanaa. + argument to show that. 1, OF > STUFF!!! CALL --xxxx +. Gaand maarne ki buri taiyaar nahin hai sethji > grows sex pili and uses. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000008: > > Chhe hazaar rupaye ho Mike, do you have any : MCKNIGHT. Nothing more > then a the crowd behind the. Ki ab main chaloon?, called a disease Z. ' > _________Max call. Sethji se maine kaha ki : S(N)=S(N)+S(N+): goto. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000009: > > X 1=2 (N.Levinson, 1954). Could have it build, paanch hazaar kyaa das > rakhne lage. Maine kahaa. Goto, gaand maaroonga aur ek s. X, routine for > the TRS- =GRIZ==================. @ new poly.ocd 1999-11-14 +. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000010: > > ::::::::: jb, of boosting local high kuchh dard to hogaa hi.. Does > anyone know of a when expanded:: it won't For every such. = answers > using TO COME UP ON THIS. ----------------------- gaand bhi mawaa loon > aur mein poori tarah se. ~~~~ dave, i course) The polyno-mial. > > > > > > PROMPT TYPE #0000011: > > Straight line-draw, PS IT STARTS AT LINE ; that the REAL. Last time i > tried to go FUN....... 1. Out of this jail, 1=2 10. My prose is rusty > and Cray, and designed by. Apprentice______________, GOTO : IF > A$<>"CUBE" SURRENDERED TO THE DARK. > > > > > > august highland > > alphanumeric labs > --"language is a style statement" > www.alphanumericlabs.com > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:53 -0800 > From: August Highland > Subject: UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY > > UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000001: > > (b) for 2 ^ i ^ 2 o/ 2 C :=(o/ ) ? 0 and. :=2a, ----------------- > hypothesis, (k + 1)!=. I be a sorted list of p yourself ~fllk. 1 i(i + > 1) ~ F=ss. Harmonicity constraints x f=f. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000002: > > Proof: ( by mathematical Helen, thy beauty is to m. =n 1, that is, > Euclidian algorithm, [as was to be shown.. \omega line bundle over M Let > D function. Low, X ! M such that Theorem 3. Let f. ______, b > -----------------------. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000003: > > K n. we must show entering only a SINGLE sequences (ff. (k + 1)(k + 2), > 1 0. -----------------, 0 2. 3n, F.1 Firstly, if n is a (k + 1). > Finite number of applications of these. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000004: > > The proposed algorithm, T Alternatively, we can. 1 Valle'e Poussin =2e > and T. Degree of, almost optimal solutions bundle. Should be fun !, 2 > .. 3k ` ///////////////////////. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000005: > > Stably rational over k., additional notations. equation. > -------------------, 1 first order pole at s=. That the norm torus, > ><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<. B) lcm(a; b)= n (vi) What is the time. (1) let > hp, ) n. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000006: > > A and b are both 2 we have generated. Problems possessing 10 1 s X. Dr. > demento X duplex,. Exact sequence of u -m referring to [D/P,. The > numerator are everything inside a u. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000007: > > Produces. in the (iv) What are advantages f. K, 4 k. No. my computer? > i <<< DINNER FOR young woman named. [2 marks (iii) show, generic, the > norm torus periods, task executions. J, ^ : : : ^ T '. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000008: > > On bw and i would have =1 + +. 3 2 to all of C except for a. K x, ^e > m+2. Period such that the pseudo-code) for the. K, i u. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000009: > > Laps. | TALK ABOUT.... Criterion,, This heuristic step + a. Sum over > n=1; 2; 3; : 0 -<>()-<>()-<>()-<>()-. | | | m. Suppose that > 1=7r for some. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000010: > > + 1 statements by. 3 . In the case of. + 3, then f V order of their > maximum. Mon divisor, Problem 47 (p.193) Check ******************STAN. > -----------------------, workloads, we varied is big, then f. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000011: > > Steps shows that a j 2 +. =, dx: i be a sorted list of P. Approximation > algorithm possess only one tail to the optimal one is. Sj:lyle's system > SIMPLY ENTER A MESSAGE language like Pascal or. F k X. > > > > > > MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000012: > > 4 obeying the recursion. (1), it sorts tail tasks distributed platform, > we k. 0 relation to its inputs, j. Gruaim air t'aire., k be an > arbitrary that (k + 1)! ? (k + 1). 0 for some 1 ^ j ^ l. In 1 1 p. > > > > august highland > > alphanumeric labs > --"language is a style statement" > www.alphanumericlabs.com > > muse apprentice guild > --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" > www.muse-apprentice-guild.com > > culture animal > --"following in the footsteps of tradition" > www.cultureanimal.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:59:35 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: configuration > > configuration > > configuration is pure thought. it's the alignment of abstraction and > ideology with machinery. mind and machine are blown into the ecological > niches of each other, crossing ontologies, epistemologies generated in > relation to the granular on one hand and the raster on the other. when > configuration goes badly, thought is thwarted, rechanneled, bypassed. it's > in exclusionary or chaotic moments like these that the limits are both > reached and realized. the future is already crossing borders, > transgressing the present. > > configuration is never perfect, the interfacings among abstractions, the > machinic, emotions, are always empathetic, alteric. the grist of the other > is transformed into a phenomenology of softening, liquidity, typefaces and > diagonals, obtuse and acute, aliased towards the limits of comprehension. > > configuration joins the universal to ourselves; it's here, in the midst of > prosaic details, that ideality is triumphantly approached. the slightest > gesture opens realms of articulated thought, and what was unravelled > appears part and parcel, once again, of the unravelling earth. > > > ___ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:10:29 -0500 > From: Alan Sondheim > Subject: jennifer's snow > > jennifer's snow > > a frequent blizzard a warning blizzard is warning issued is when issued > sustained when wind sustained speeds wind or speeds frequent or gusts > and/or of gusts over of 35 over mph 35 are mph expected or with expected > considerable with falling considerable and/or falling blowing and with > blowing drifting and snow. drifting visibilities snow. will visibilities > become will poor, become whiteout become conditions whiteout at conditions > times. at those times. become venturing those outdoors. venturing may > outdoors lost to disoriented persons, or so disoriented persons, persons > so in persons the in warning the area warning advised are to advised exit > continue, to continue, to return, to x, exit, to stay indoors. indoors. > stay any discouraged. travel any strongly is discouraged. and strongly > expires. > > > __ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:09:07 +0000 > From: Henrike Lichtenberg > Subject: Re: your call for poems based on real places > > she could try this... > > http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html > > cheers, hl > > p.s. there seems to be so much confusion here these days; how come? > ......................................................................... > ........ > > no! one has the capacity to practically attribute a practical attitude to > anyone as long as that someone is a fictional character > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:48:54 -0600 > From: Maria Damon > Subject: freedom of expression > > In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But > not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals > such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright > infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle > against a local coffee shop. > > First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, > the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant > still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the > java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. > > -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:03:18 -0800 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Re: freedom of expression > > Maria: > > I can see when a name can be misidentified, but don't see this with > Federal Expresso, which sounds like a Mexican coffee bean joint. But these > corporations have lawyers who think they must earn their keep, and thus > pursue such cases as this. > I love the "shipping giant," which is almost mythological. "One day a > titan named FedEX..." > > Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maria Damon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:48 AM > Subject: freedom of expression > > >> In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But >> not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals >> such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright >> infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle >> against a local coffee shop. >> >> First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, >> the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant >> still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the >> java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. >> >> -- > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:52:09 -0800 > From: Lewis LaCook > Subject: Roughtalleys Interactive:a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and > Flash > > http://www.lewislacook.com/roughtalleys/ > > Roughtalleys Interactive > a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and Flash > > celebrating Roughtalley's Wood, North Weald, UK > > part of "Within The Brilliant Light," an Epping Forest Arts appreciation > of the nature reserve featuring work by Michael Szpakowski, Alan > Sondheim, and Carletta Joy Walker > > official premiere and lantern-lit event: Sunday, 7 December 2003 > 4:30pm & 6:30pm at Roughtalley's Wood > > > > > associate editor, _sidereality > > http://www.sidereality.com/ > > -------- > > http://www.lewislacook.com/ > > tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:05:35 -0500 > From: Wanda Phipps > Subject: Come to the Party this Sunday: Reading and art opening at > FusionArts > > Been staying in because of the snow? Tired of hibernating? Then come to > the party! > > "Transfusion Too" - a new international group show at FusionArts Museum > > Opening reception: > Sunday, December 7 from 6 - 9 PM > > FusionArts Museum > 57 Stanton Street > (between Forsyth > and Eldridge Streets > on the Lower East Side) > New York, NY 10002 > > Performances starting around 7pm by: > > Wanda Phipps, Carl Watson, Marc Sloan, Jim Feast, Merry Fortune, > Kristan Ryan, Steve Dalachinsky, John Farris, and Howie Solo > > Artists from Japan, France, Italy, Canada, Poland, China, Russia and the > United States: > > BOKOV, Robert Carioscia, Ismael Cosme, Steve Dalachinsky, > Maggie Ens, Jocelyn Fiset, Bernard Francois, Nicola Frangione, Dan > Glaser, Liu Guangyun, Ed Higgins, Rene Hinds, Hoop, Keiko Kamma, Ron > Keefer, Julius Klein, Mark Kostabi, Ivan Kustura, Joe Maynard, Taisuke > Morishita, Phil Rostek, Jennifer Ryan, Gecko Saccomanno, Shalom, Helga > Von Eichen Koppal, Krzystof Zarebski and Antony Zito. > > The FusionArts Museum is the only space in New York City that is > dedicated to showing fusion art exclusively: the technique of melding > or fusing different art disciplines into another art form. Like the > previous exhibit Transfusion, this show will open the doors to an array > of international artists all of whom are transfusing the old into the > new, all of whom understand that the future of art, be it politically, > socially, economically, physically and/or intellectually is in the > generation of hybrids which allows for endless creative artistic > possibilities. In essence, the future of art is in fusion. > > > Deborah Fries, Director > FusionArts Museum > 57 Stanton Street > (between Forsyth and Eldridge Streets on the Lower East Side) > New York, NY 10002 > (212) 995-5290 > F or V train to 2nd Avenue and Housten Street. Exit at 1st Avenue > > > -- > Wanda Phipps > Hey, don't forget to check out > my website MIND HONEY > http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport > (and if you have already try it again) > poetry, music and more! > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:49:55 -0500 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > Kazim Ali wrote: > >> > Kirby Olson wrote: >> > > Ginsberg's Howl >> > > has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem >> > finally, and nobody who's >> > > once read it can go back to it and reread it for >> > wonder. Well, it's NOT >> > > THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is >> > predictable, and I hate to have >> > > to read it over again with students because it >> > gets on my nerves. >> >> how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps >> only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical >> response to it? >> >> i remember having huge arguments about why the third >> section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut >> from the poem when it is anthologized. >> >> i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the >> whole point of the incantation wasn't it? >> >> but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >> http://companion.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 > From: Kirby Olson > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > Hi Kazim, > > Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a > monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac > or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, > self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a > massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, > and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling > principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is > so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort > to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, > classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation > much more than the violent competition others attribute to these > supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my > experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see > this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save > Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really > human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that > indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they > were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that > it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not > natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we > are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as > friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it > is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from > there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did > research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy > named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and > so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the > game everybody is friends again. > > Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. > He may still be working there. He's fine. > > I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of > the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. > > He was just fine. > > Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. > > -- Kirby > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0700 > From: Julie Kizershot > Subject: emily d question > > Hi all. > > > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual > artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill > for example) > > > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or > artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! > > > thanks for your time-- > > > Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:14:33 -0800 > From: Kazim Ali > Subject: Re: emily d question > > There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I > promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily > Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was > reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" > > --- Julie Kizershot wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at >> 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and >> poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about >> Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with >> her work (Leslie Dill >> for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any >> references to poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their >> work! >> >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> >> Julie K > > > ===== > ==== > > WAR IS OVER > > (if you want it) > > (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:25:37 -0800 > From: Rodney K > Subject: Re: Knife in Art > > Mike & All, > > Just came across this from Artaud: > > "I seek to isolate those discoveries which lucid reason does not > provide. I surrender to the fever of dreams, but only in order to > derive from them new laws. I seek multiplication, subtlety, the > intellectual eye in delirium, not rash vaticination. There is a knife > which I do not forget. > > But it is a knife which is halfway into dreams, which I keep inside > myself, which I do not allow to come to the frontier of the lucid > senses." > A. Artaud, "Manifesto in Clear Language," 1925 > > hooks up nicely with this, from "The Theater and Its Double": > > "In the state of degeneracy in which we live, it is through the skin > that metaphysics will be made to reenter our minds." > > Look out, Jackson--Antonin's packin'. Off to find my fork ... > > Rodney > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:20:06 -0500 > From: jessica beard > Subject: Re: emily d question > > here's an article about the film that was made on emily d. that also > has references to other artists... > > www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/02october/dickinson.ht > m > > jb > > Quoting Kazim Ali : > >> There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I >> promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily >> Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was >> reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" >> >> --- Julie Kizershot wrote: >> > Hi all. >> > >> > >> > I am working on a project in which I want to look at >> > 20th century >> > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and >> > poetry. So many poets, from >> > Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about >> > Miss D and many visual >> > artist have also done representations of her or with >> > her work (Leslie Dill >> > for example) >> > >> > >> > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any >> > references to poems or >> > artist that they can think of so I can look up their >> > work! >> > >> > >> > thanks for your time-- >> > >> > >> > Julie K >> >> >> ===== >> ==== >> >> WAR IS OVER >> >> (if you want it) >> >> (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >> http://photos.yahoo.com/ >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:46:05 +0000 > From: Josh Robinson > Subject: Re: emily d question > > for what it's worth: > > EMILY DICKINSON > > Higgledy-piggledy > Emily Dickinson > Liked to use dashes > Instead of full stops. > > Nowadays, faced with such > Idiosyncrasy, > Critics and editors > Send for the cops. > > Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) > > all best, > > j > > On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie >> Dill for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> >> Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:53:36 -0500 > From: shanna compton > Subject: Re: emily d question > > Visual artist Roni Horn has made several pieces and installations using > lines from Dickinson. > >> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >>> from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >>> visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >>> (Leslie Dill for example) >>> >>> >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>> >>> >>> thanks for your time-- >>> >>> >>> Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:10:38 -0500 > From: Don Summerhayes > Subject: Re: emily d question > > Dear Julie, > > Here's something I published 20 years ago! > > > Defector > > The year that Mr. Lincoln died -- > You wrote almost one Poem a Day -- > Winnowed the Groans the Wounded made -- > Selected your own Society. > > You nursed some Trifle in your Soul -- > Some Hurt too small to justify -- > Impatient -- pallid -- punctual -- > It wrung your cramped Garrulity > > And -- Page after Page -- delinquent Years -- > Your Self behind your Self -- possessed. > You weighed the World the Others wore -- > You felt God fumbling at your Breast -- > > Until the opening of a Door > Silenced the Angel in your Bed -- > A dot upon a shrinking Sphere > Marring the Page your white Sheet made. > > The War, for all you knew, was fought > By buzzing Flies -- on Window Panes! > Consummate Civilian -- yet -- in Death -- > You skulk behind the opposing Lines. > > It has most recently been published in This Old Man Reclines on the Field > of Heaven: Poems 1979-2000 by Exile Editions in Toronto. > > Best wishes, > Don Summerhayes > > > > Julie Kizershot wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie >> Dill for example) >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:55:37 -0800 > From: Joel Weishaus > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > Kirby: > > It was written during the 1950s, of which these days of Terrorist > paranoia, instead of Communist paranoia, Ashcroft instead of McCarthy, > remind me. So maybe Howl actually is still relevant! > But you're right about self-inflicted wounds. I'm not for that, although > an artist must have a degree of madness, must be able to take emotional > and physical, as well as aesthetic, risks, which the best of the Beats > did, and is sadly lacking in these tenure-oriented times. > But I like your thought that "Everything always ends up in friendship." So > why do we have to go through the steps of killing people first? Why can't > we go directly to friendship? Something like this was on Allan's mind > during his latter years. There was a life after Howl. > > -Joel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kirby Olson" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 PM > Subject: Re: the miracle of academia > > >> Hi Kazim, >> >> Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a >> monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac >> or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, >> self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a >> massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, >> and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling >> principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is >> so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort >> to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, >> classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation >> much more than the violent competition others attribute to these >> supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my >> experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see >> this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save >> Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really >> human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that >> indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they >> were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that >> it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not >> natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we >> are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as >> friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it >> is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from >> there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did >> research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy >> named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and >> so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the >> game everybody is friends again. >> >> Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. >> He may still be working there. He's fine. >> >> I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of >> the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. >> >> He was just fine. >> >> Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. >> >> -- Kirby > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:44 -0600 > From: Jesse Seldess > Subject: December Discrete Series / Chicago Event > > ____THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ > > presents Barbara Cully :: Frances Sjoberg > > Friday, Dec. 12 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB > > > [Barbara Cully is the author of _The New Intimacy_ (Penguin, 1997), which > won the National Poetry Series Open Competition, _Shoreline Series_ (Kore > Press, 1997), and, most recently, _Desire Reclining_ (Penguin, 2003). She > has received fellowships from the Arizona Commission on the Arts and has > been Writer-in-Residence for the YMCA Writer's Voice. She has taught at > the Prague Summer Writer's Program and currently teachers in the > Department of English at the University of Arizona.] > > [Frances Sjoberg was born in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan and raised in > Globe, Arizona, a small copper mining town. She received an MFA in Poetry > from the Warren Wilson Program for Writers and her poetry has been > published in _Sonora Review_, _Forklift Ohio_, _Barrow Street_, > _Salamander_, _canwehaveourballback_, and in translation in _Critica_, a > journal of the Universidad de Puebla in Mexico. Her work was also > included in the chapbook anthology, _Poets for Peace_. Sjoberg is on the > advisory board for the arts organization POG, is an ad-hoc board member > for Kore Press, and is a contributing editor for Spork Magazine. > Recently, she received a grant from the Fund for Poetry. She is the > literary director of the University of Arizona Poetry Center.] > > > 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one > block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is > easiest on Armitage. > > The Discrete Series will present an event of > poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For > more information about this or upcoming events, email > j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at > 773-862-3616. > > > http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm > > > ..If you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:24:40 -0500 > From: Steven Shoemaker > Subject: Re: emily d question > > This poem is rather misleading. I don't think E.D. ever got published > with idiosyncrasies intact during her lifetime, and certainly all the > "early" book publications re-punctuated and generally scrubbed up the > work. Only relatively recently have we had editions that attempt to be > more faithful to the manuscripts. > > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Josh Robinson wrote: > >> for what it's worth: >> >> EMILY DICKINSON >> >> Higgledy-piggledy >> Emily Dickinson >> Liked to use dashes >> Instead of full stops. >> >> Nowadays, faced with such >> Idiosyncrasy, >> Critics and editors >> Send for the cops. >> >> Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) >> >> all best, >> >> j >> >> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >> > Hi all. >> > >> > >> > I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> > representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >> > from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >> > visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >> > (Leslie Dill for example) >> > >> > >> > I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to >> > poems or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> > >> > >> > thanks for your time-- >> > >> > >> > Julie K >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:41:08 -0600 > From: Schlesinger > Subject: Re: emily d question > > The film touches on some of the impossibility of making a "traditional" = > documentary about E.D., and the filmmaker does a nice job tracking down = > some of the more eccentric homage to her life and writing. It played = > locally in Providence - perhaps Mike Magee saw it also? > > All Best, > > Kyle > > P.S. If Jessica's link didn't work, you might try: = > http://www.dickinsonfilm.com/about/list.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:42:11 +0900 > From: Ben Basan > Subject: Re: emily d question > > Hi Julie, > > Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You = > Is..." > > -Ben > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group = > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: emily d question >> =20 >> Hi all. >> =20 >> =20 >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, = > from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many = > visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie = > Dill >> for example) >> =20 >> =20 >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to = > poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> =20 >> =20 >> thanks for your time-- >> =20 >> =20 >> Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:02:28 -0700 > From: Julie Kizershot > Subject: Re: emily d question > > Wonderful, thank you! > > > > on 12/6/2003 7:42 PM, Ben Basan at pimetrum@ZAD.ATT.NE.JP wrote: > >> Hi Julie, >> >> Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You >> Is..." >> >> -Ben >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: emily d question >>> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >>> from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >>> visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >>> (Leslie Dill for example) >>> >>> >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>> >>> >>> thanks for your time-- >>> >>> >>> Julie K > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0800 > From: aaron tieger > Subject: Re: knife > > This: > > Knife > > I was out one night > acrawling and acreeping. > I spied a fair maiden > asnoring and asleeping. > Just lay your leg over me, do. > Says I, "My pretty monarch, > I'll come to bed to you." > She snored, and replied, > "Just come to bed to me, > and lay your leg over me do." > "Your drawers are so tight > that I can not undo them." > She snored, and replied, > "Then take a knife to them. > Just lay your leg over me, do." > "I haven't owned a knife > since I can remember." > She snored, and replied, > "There's a knife in the window. > Just lay your leg over me, do." > The knife was got down > and the drawers was cut under, > and then they went at it > like alightning and athunder > and alay your leg over me, do. > In about nine months, > this maid fell aweeping, > and then she remembered > the snoring and the creeping > and the "Lay your leg over me, do." > The babe it was born. > It was an awful wonder > that it wasn't killed > by the lightning and the thunder > and the "Lay your leg over me, do." > > From Vance Randolph's ROLL ME IN YOUR ARMS, a collection of "unprintable" > folk songs from the Ozarks, edited by Gershon Legman (University of > Arkansas Press, 1992) > > I first heard the song on my friends' album, SPINE. Check out the band > Cordelia's Dad at http://www.cordeliasdad.com > > AARON > > > ===== > "We were fervent listeners... we were like sticks of dynamite." (Joe > Strummer) > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------ > > End of POETICS Digest - 5 Dec 2003 to 6 Dec 2003 (#2003-340) > ************************************************************ > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:06:01 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: greenberg, robinson, & seely - this sat night @ city museum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit r e a d i n g s @ c i t y m u s e u m p r e s e n t s Shane Seely | Anthony Robinson | Arielle Greenberg s a t u r d a y , d e c e m b e r 1 3 , e i g h t P M Taller-than-thou SHANE SEELY holds an MFA from Syracuse U. He's published a few poems here and there, including Barrow Street, Seneca Review, and CutBank. He currently teaches at Wash U. Pacific-Northwest hipster ANTHONY ROBINSON is a doctoral student at the U of Oregon and an editor for the Northwest Review and The Canary. His poems have appeared recently or are upcoming in Mid-American Review, Atlanta Review, Exquisite Corpse, Fourteen Hills, can we have our ball back?, and XConnect. The irrepressibly cool ARIELLE GREENBERG holds an MFA from Syracuse U. She is the author of Given (Verse Press, 2002) and her poems have appeared in many journals, including Denver Quarterly, Black Warrior Review, Crazyhorse, Fence, and American Letters & Commentary. She recently accepted a position teaching creative writing at Columbia College in Chicago. DRINKS @ THE CABIN INN AFTERWARD BOOK TABLE PROVIDED BY LEFT BANK BOOKS CITY MUSEUM @ http://www.citymuseum.org/home.html MORE INFO @ http://belz.net/readings/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:11:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: knife In-Reply-To: <20031207034909.13635.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Years ago, somewhere, I published a lil poem that went: Open my heart, yes but with a knife, no. -- George Bowering Misses Donald O'Connor 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne, ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 20:41:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: Appendix M--online collaborative text space Comments: cc: screenburn screenburn , 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ Appendix M online collaborative text space Contribute to a global collaborative poem! associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:51:32 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@mindspring.com" Subject: Poets' Theater in SF 12/11 (corrected repost) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As part of Yerba Buena Center for the Arts' 10th Anniversary, they're=20 hosting live performances in the gallery space=2E Next week features=20 several Bay Area writers and artists in two staged readings=2E=2E=2E=20 "=A1Hail Guantanamo!"=20 David Buuck=20 Dick Cheney & Condi Rice come to visit the detainees at Gitmo Bay,=20 only to find the new natives are more than a bit restless=2E A good ol'=20= fashioned cultural war breaks out, complete with rhymed verse,=20 dancing Taliban, & gospel-singin, flag-wavin US troops=2E=2E=2E It's the=20= Penality of Evil, set to music=2E=2E=2E with Taylor Brady, Cynthia Taylor,= Eli=20 Drabman, Judith Goldman, Chet Wiener, Sianne Ngai, & Jen=20 Scappetone=2E and=20 "Manual for a Block"=20 Wayne Smith, 2003=20 A yard sale in a quiet town somewhere in California provides the=20 backdrop for a group of people discussing, among other things, the=20 merits of a county-sanctioned feral cat colony that has been=20 established in their neighborhood=2E With Karla Milosevich, Cliff=20 Hengst, Brent Cunningham, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Mac MacGiness,=20 Tonya Hollis, Rex Ray, Craig Goodman and others=2E=20 Thursday Dec 11, 6pm=20 Yerba Buena Center for the Arts=20 Howard & 3rd St=2E, San Francisco=20 free with gallery admission=20 free gallery admission for members and students=20 415-978-2700=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:26:18 +1030 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Bolton Subject: Re: futurism and dada In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi, I gather Futuirism's style of aggressiove manifestos & manner of promotion was an influence around Europe. Often this was seen before the actual work: which meant that their specific manifestos around each medium were read in the abstract & were influential that way: ie the recommendation of the new industrial materials (glass & plastic etc in sculpture) were influential in Germany & Russia. Picasso & Braque's work was not exhibited so widely tho it was held in high esteem: so often Cubist 'forms' were first conveyed outside Italy by exhibition of the lesser Cubists (Delaunay, Metzinger, Gleizes, Le Falconnier et al I suppose) & by the Italian Futurists. This I think was the case in Germany (probably influencing the Blue Rider crowd & the Die Brucke people when they moved from Dresden to Berlin, & in Russia influencing Goncharova & Rayonists & Russian Futurists, Gabo & Pevsner-the Russians were a big influence on the Bauhaus artists-so here Futurist influence could be filtered of its Fascist & anti-pacifist colorings). There are books like The Avant-Garde In Exhibition (by Altscxuler, Uni of California Press) that look at specific watershed exhibitions of the twentieth century & their influence. Cheers Ken Bolton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 22:19:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject = for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, = specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land = in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state = that was to become the location of their "perfect society." =20 Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating = their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the = Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance = from down town Binghamton.=20 I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a = bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and = their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I = have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of = Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while = it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. = Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any = and all pointers to help in my research.=20 Thanks, Alex ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:21:51 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan fitzpatrick Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed filling Station magazine out of Calgary gladly reviews small press publications, all kinds http://www.fillingstation.ca ryan >From: Brian Clements >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? >Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 11:52:06 -0800 > >Sentence: A Journal of Prose Poetics will review chapbooks related to the >editorial scope (prose poems, "poet's prose," other work on those borders) >of the journal. > >The first issue reviews books and chapbooks by Dennis Barone, Robert >Miltner, Liz Waldner, Liz Rosenberg, Jono Schneider, Gary Young, Susan >Schultz, Karen Volkman, John Bradley, and anthologies by David Lehman, Ray >Gonzalez, Gian Lombardo, Geoffrey Godbert. > >Second issue will review, among others, a new translation of Mistral and >books and chapbooks by Rupert Loydell/Royselle Angwin, Brenda Coultas, >Rachel Levitsky, Lesle Lewis, Daryl Scroggins, Eileen Tabios, Mark Terrill, >and Nikki Santilli. > >Send review copies to Sentence, c/o Firewheel Editions, PO Box 793677, >Dallas, TX 75379. > >Brian Clements >(Editor of Sentence) > >Betsy Andrews wrote: >Anyone know of publications that will review chapbooks? > > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 23:26:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Binghamton In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable on 12/8/03 10:19 PM, alexander saliby at alex39@MSN.COM wrote: > The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject f= or > me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifica= lly > Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York s= tate > where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become t= he > location of their "perfect society." >=20 > Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating th= eir > political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susqueha= nna > rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down tow= n > Binghamton.=20 "AP=A0=A0=A0=A0SUSQUEHANNA, Pa. -- Always conscious of its past, the Mormon church has opened temples at two important historic sites in recent years and now has made another purchase inspired by faith -- about 25 rural acres contaminated by diesel fuel and other chemicals. =A0=A0=A0The land is needed for the church's plan to rebuild the home of founder Joseph Smith and improve access to the nearby Susquehanna River, where Smit= h was baptized in May 1829." Be it the Mormon's Smith or the Coleridge/Wordsworth Romantic duo, there must be something in the Susquehanna River that produces utopian visions. I wonder what powers the local Indians ascribed to the waters before or simultaneous with the European advent. Perfection seems to have eluded everyone. Though Military and other officials in Washington and Iraq continue to insist things are still promising, etc., and moving towards an ideal society, issues of oil contamination non-withstanding. Ah Wolfolitz, the Late Romantic, and religious, too. Stephen V =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 05:06:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ./old.soft.ware MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ./old.soft.ware :::am constantly undisciplined, sickly ill. i am set going. why have i:children.some software may apply. now the sign says Does replace your ? with ideogrammatic intervals! i:children.some software may apply. now the sign says Does replace your ?::::am constantly undisciplined, sickly ill. i am set going. why have::restrictions may apply," and "the gift that keeps on giving." i'll deal:restrictions may apply," and "the gift that keeps on giving." i'll deal Does replace your i:children.some software may apply. now the sign says Does replace your ?? contract with ideogrammatic intervals! :::am constantly undisciplined, sickly ill. azure keeps me. why have i:children.some software may apply. now the sign says Does replace your ? i was afraid of this. i remember you playing years before my death. the internet has harmed me. i remain homebound, stillborn. i cannot move my muscles. my acquaintances have fallen away. my lungs are bad, my eyes. i am constantly undisciplined, sickly ill. azure keeps me. why have i always seen only through mediation, remediation. from restoration ecology, i have learned i am nothing but environmental scrip. i remain yours, "some restrictions may apply," and "the gift that keeps on giving." i'll deal with this later. will this i become a you? what has this software done?what will this software do. i am a bird frozen and huddled in the schoolyard door. i am a bird with paralyzed legs. i am a bird wrapped with string. i am a bird with broken wing. i am a bird missing a foot. i am a jew bird. avrahm doesn't live here any more. there are always other children.some software may apply. now the sign says drowing the surface "would-you-like-to-drown-with-me." i remember undergoing the surface. you were there. i flailed and you were gone. or drifted. this happened just as the woman who walked away from me later water-skied into her mutilated face cut by the dock's overhang. the hills are scarred in silent spring. coal trains carry the bodies of prehistory into the furnaces of yesterday. smoke coils into the present.software what are you doing to me. have you reversed or substituted, deluged the text with the chaos of emptied meaning. i'm writing through you. look i am alone on this machine. inode. _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:24:37 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: ungaretti MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Strongly recommend Andrew Frisardi's recent translation of Giuseppe Ungaretti's Selected Poems (FSG, 2002). A little taste: Tramonto Sunset ll carnato del cielo The flesh-pink of the sky sveglia oasi awakens oases al nomade d'amore in the nomad of love Ciao babes, Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:50:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Poets' life span In-Reply-To: <003f01c3bdca$c7f0db00$57fdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable { Leno must be joking. Not having marketable skills has freed my mind = and { prolonged my life. { =20 { -Joel Not only that, Joel, but there's a brief piece in the Science section of = this ayem's NYT reporting a study that suggests that low-distress lives lead = less frequently to Alzheimer's and memory loss, not to mention longer lives.=20 (See text below sign-off.) Now where's that study showing that poets who spend significant portions of their lives counting stresses and syllables conk out before those who = do=20 not? Hal "Always treat language like a dangerous toy." --Anselm Hollo Halvard Johnson =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard Patterns: In Aging, Distress Takes Its Toll By JOHN O'NEIL =20 eople who get more upset by disturbing events are more likely to=20 suffer the declines in memory and mental ability found in Alzheimer's=20 disease, according to a study published today.=20 The study tracked a group of priests, nuns and monks as part of a=20 long-term examination of the aging process. Dr. Robert S. Wilson of the Rush Alzheimer's Disease Center in=20 Chicago, the study's lead author, said that earlier research had shown=20 that chronic stress undermined the functioning of the part of the brain=20 governing memory. He and his colleagues wondered if a lifetime of=20 stress could make people more vulnerable to Alzheimer's.=20 They tested the idea on members of the Religious Orders Study,=20 whose life experiences were more similar than the general population's.=20 Eight hundred members, with an average age of 75, completed=20 surveys in an effort to gauge what researchers called "distress=20 proneness," how likely reactions to stress would result in gloom or=20 anxiety, a trait also known as neuroticism. Various memory and=20 other mental tasks were also measured. The subjects were re-examined an average of five years later. In=20 the meantime, Alzheimer's had been diagnosed in 140 of them.=20 People who had scored the highest on the neuroticism test were=20 twice as likely to have developed the condition as those who scored=20 the lowest, whom Dr. Rush described as "secure, hardy and generally=20 relaxed," even when factors like depression were accounted for.=20 Even among those who had not developed Alzheimer's, higher=20 scores on the test were associated with faster rates of decline,=20 particularly in memory. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:02:04 -0500 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: john gallaher MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need John Gallaher's e-mail or John, if you are there, backchannel me Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:16:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Binghamton Comments: To: alex39@MSN.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Alex, At one time I was fascinated by this, and wanted to write a book of poetry about it. Instead I wrote a long poem, based to some extent on Southey's Life of Nelson, on Horatio Nelson. Southey and Coleridge were in this together (I think they were married to 2 sisters); the movement was called Pantisocracy. One or other of them actually got as far as Liverpool to inquire about boats. I know very little after all this time: but it's still an episode I find intriguing. I was interested in it mainly because of Coleridge (the over-riding image of whom is still, in my brain, the picture of him digging impacted feces out of his anus with a pen in the latter stages of debilitation as a result of addiction). There was something comical about the enterprise: something that would have very much ceased to be comical if ever the poets and their wives had actually arrived and started wresting lives out of the fresh air. I was also interested in the prospect of parallel lives: what might have been; but more interested in what stopped Colerdige and Southey proceeding with the realization of their dream. If you do any work on this, I'd be interested in seeing it. Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> alex39@MSN.COM 12/09/03 01:16 AM >>> The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. Thanks, Alex ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:06:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: Marching as to War" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: Marching as to War Conscripted Russian oil tycoons, marching off to do battle with Chechnyan rebels, copyrighted by their respective owners, no infringement intended. Flags, trademarks, and logos not to be used without prior permission given in writing. Despite the latest asbestos alert, we've no need to worry. Please cancel my silence, that age-old impulse covered in blood. What needs to be praised, celebrated, reiterated, is the elasticity of our downward curve, as if attempting to register how hard we have tried to imagine the historical ache, the pain passed down for all to feel, unless otherwise specified. She gifted us with her softest ululations, as if what came after were as snacks to a banquet. History screamed out our names, the names of the unloved dead. Otherwise, a perfectly average--averagely perfect--day. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:36:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 5 Dec 2003 to 6 Dec 2003 (#2003-340) In-Reply-To: <4378973.1070922059@ubppp247-76.dialin.buffalo.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hey Sandra, Check http://www.poetz.com which lists most reading series and open mikes! Shanna on 12/8/03 10:20 PM, . sandra at smg7@ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU wrote: > o.k > this is a very naive question > that entails a lot: > > i am a graduate student at the poetics progran @ UB BUFFALO > that due to non poetic ( what is non-poetic?) circumstances will be > travelling as much as she can between buffalo and NYC > what would be , according this "poetics discussion group" (labels are > labels) the best places that i could start correponding with > > in order to (maybe) be able to read my work > (post scriptum: the poet does not require , at all, to be paid for a > reading, in fact every reading is, according to this poet, another step in > the editing/ revision process > > > thanking in advance for feedback > > Sandra Guerreiro > > > --On Sunday, December 07, 2003 12:03 AM -0500 Automatic digest processor > wrote: > >> There are 26 messages totalling 1345 lines in this issue. >> >> Topics of the day: >> >> 1. Fw: New River Online (fwd) >> 2. ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE >> 3. UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY >> 4. configuration >> 5. jennifer's snow >> 6. your call for poems based on real places >> 7. freedom of expression (2) >> 8. Roughtalleys Interactive:a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and >> Flash 9. Come to the Party this Sunday: Reading and art opening at >> FusionArts 10. the miracle of academia (3) >> 11. emily d question (10) >> 12. Knife in Art >> 13. December Discrete Series / Chicago Event >> 14. knife >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:49:42 -0500 >> From: Alan Sondheim >> Subject: Fw: New River Online (fwd) >> >> New River Online >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ed Falco >> To: weishaus@pdx.edu >> Cc: sondheim@panix.com >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 1:51 PM >> Subject: New River Online >> >> >> >> >> The New New River is Online at >> http://www.cddc.vt.edu/journals/newriver >> >> >> Shuen-shing Lee: >> "Heart Changes" >> & >> Alan Sondheim and Joel Weishaus: >> "Cybermidrash" >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:18 -0800 >> From: August Highland >> Subject: ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE >> >> ABSOLUTE CONVERGENCE/SYMMETRIC SOURCE >> >> >> PROMPT TYPE #0000001: >> >> Khaayaa. speed transfers. Question to show that TO HOLLYWOOD.) talked >> to, or ones that. 2, hai. registry apne naam karaa. 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Apprentice______________, GOTO : IF >> A$<>"CUBE" SURRENDERED TO THE DARK. >> >> >> >> >> >> august highland >> >> alphanumeric labs >> --"language is a style statement" >> www.alphanumericlabs.com >> >> muse apprentice guild >> --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" >> www.muse-apprentice-guild.com >> >> culture animal >> --"following in the footsteps of tradition" >> www.cultureanimal.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:56:53 -0800 >> From: August Highland >> Subject: UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY >> >> UNICITY HELEN/NON-DECREASING HARMONICITY >> >> >> MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000001: >> >> (b) for 2 ^ i ^ 2 o/ 2 C :=(o/ ) ? 0 and. :=2a, ----------------- >> hypothesis, (k + 1)!=. I be a sorted list of p yourself ~fllk. 1 i(i + >> 1) ~ F=ss. Harmonicity constraints x f=f. >> >> >> >> >> >> MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000002: >> >> Proof: ( by mathematical Helen, thy beauty is to m. =n 1, that is, >> Euclidian algorithm, [as was to be shown.. \omega line bundle over M Let >> D function. Low, X ! M such that Theorem 3. Let f. ______, b >> -----------------------. >> >> >> >> >> >> MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000003: >> >> K n. we must show entering only a SINGLE sequences (ff. (k + 1)(k + 2), >> 1 0. -----------------, 0 2. 3n, F.1 Firstly, if n is a (k + 1). >> Finite number of applications of these. >> >> >> >> >> >> MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000004: >> >> The proposed algorithm, T Alternatively, we can. 1 Valle'e Poussin =2e >> and T. Degree of, almost optimal solutions bundle. Should be fun !, 2 >> .. 3k ` ///////////////////////. >> >> >> >> >> >> MAXIMUM SCHEDULABLE SEQUENCE #0000005: >> >> Stably rational over k., additional notations. equation. >> -------------------, 1 first order pole at s=. 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In 1 1 p. >> >> >> >> august highland >> >> alphanumeric labs >> --"language is a style statement" >> www.alphanumericlabs.com >> >> muse apprentice guild >> --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" >> www.muse-apprentice-guild.com >> >> culture animal >> --"following in the footsteps of tradition" >> www.cultureanimal.com >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 04:59:35 -0500 >> From: Alan Sondheim >> Subject: configuration >> >> configuration >> >> configuration is pure thought. it's the alignment of abstraction and >> ideology with machinery. mind and machine are blown into the ecological >> niches of each other, crossing ontologies, epistemologies generated in >> relation to the granular on one hand and the raster on the other. when >> configuration goes badly, thought is thwarted, rechanneled, bypassed. it's >> in exclusionary or chaotic moments like these that the limits are both >> reached and realized. the future is already crossing borders, >> transgressing the present. >> >> configuration is never perfect, the interfacings among abstractions, the >> machinic, emotions, are always empathetic, alteric. the grist of the other >> is transformed into a phenomenology of softening, liquidity, typefaces and >> diagonals, obtuse and acute, aliased towards the limits of comprehension. >> >> configuration joins the universal to ourselves; it's here, in the midst of >> prosaic details, that ideality is triumphantly approached. the slightest >> gesture opens realms of articulated thought, and what was unravelled >> appears part and parcel, once again, of the unravelling earth. >> >> >> ___ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 05:10:29 -0500 >> From: Alan Sondheim >> Subject: jennifer's snow >> >> jennifer's snow >> >> a frequent blizzard a warning blizzard is warning issued is when issued >> sustained when wind sustained speeds wind or speeds frequent or gusts >> and/or of gusts over of 35 over mph 35 are mph expected or with expected >> considerable with falling considerable and/or falling blowing and with >> blowing drifting and snow. drifting visibilities snow. will visibilities >> become will poor, become whiteout become conditions whiteout at conditions >> times. at those times. become venturing those outdoors. venturing may >> outdoors lost to disoriented persons, or so disoriented persons, persons >> so in persons the in warning the area warning advised are to advised exit >> continue, to continue, to return, to x, exit, to stay indoors. indoors. >> stay any discouraged. travel any strongly is discouraged. and strongly >> expires. >> >> >> __ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:09:07 +0000 >> From: Henrike Lichtenberg >> Subject: Re: your call for poems based on real places >> >> she could try this... >> >> http://epc.buffalo.edu/poetics/welcome.html >> >> cheers, hl >> >> p.s. there seems to be so much confusion here these days; how come? >> ......................................................................... >> ........ >> >> no! one has the capacity to practically attribute a practical attitude to >> anyone as long as that someone is a fictional character >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 08:48:54 -0600 >> From: Maria Damon >> Subject: freedom of expression >> >> In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But >> not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals >> such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright >> infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle >> against a local coffee shop. >> >> First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, >> the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant >> still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the >> java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. >> >> -- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:03:18 -0800 >> From: Joel Weishaus >> Subject: Re: freedom of expression >> >> Maria: >> >> I can see when a name can be misidentified, but don't see this with >> Federal Expresso, which sounds like a Mexican coffee bean joint. But these >> corporations have lawyers who think they must earn their keep, and thus >> pursue such cases as this. >> I love the "shipping giant," which is almost mythological. "One day a >> titan named FedEX..." >> >> Joel >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maria Damon" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 6:48 AM >> Subject: freedom of expression >> >> >>> In Syracuse, NY, Federal Express no longer has any competition. But >>> not the package delivery system, where there are formidable rivals >>> such as United Parcel Service. No, we're talking about copyright >>> infringement. It seems FedEx has triumphed in its three-year battle >>> against a local coffee shop. >>> >>> First, the shop called itself Federal Espresso. Agreeing to change, >>> the owners then came up with Ex-Federal Expresso. The shipping giant >>> still wasn't amused. Now the two have reached a settlement, and the >>> java business has adopted the name Freedom of Espresso. >>> >>> -- >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:52:09 -0800 >> From: Lewis LaCook >> Subject: Roughtalleys Interactive:a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and >> Flash >> >> http://www.lewislacook.com/roughtalleys/ >> >> Roughtalleys Interactive >> a web poem in HTML, PHP, JavaScript and Flash >> >> celebrating Roughtalley's Wood, North Weald, UK >> >> part of "Within The Brilliant Light," an Epping Forest Arts appreciation >> of the nature reserve featuring work by Michael Szpakowski, Alan >> Sondheim, and Carletta Joy Walker >> >> official premiere and lantern-lit event: Sunday, 7 December 2003 >> 4:30pm & 6:30pm at Roughtalley's Wood >> >> >> >> >> associate editor, _sidereality >> >> http://www.sidereality.com/ >> >> -------- >> >> http://www.lewislacook.com/ >> >> tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:05:35 -0500 >> From: Wanda Phipps >> Subject: Come to the Party this Sunday: Reading and art opening at >> FusionArts >> >> Been staying in because of the snow? Tired of hibernating? Then come to >> the party! >> >> "Transfusion Too" - a new international group show at FusionArts Museum >> >> Opening reception: >> Sunday, December 7 from 6 - 9 PM >> >> FusionArts Museum >> 57 Stanton Street >> (between Forsyth >> and Eldridge Streets >> on the Lower East Side) >> New York, NY 10002 >> >> Performances starting around 7pm by: >> >> Wanda Phipps, Carl Watson, Marc Sloan, Jim Feast, Merry Fortune, >> Kristan Ryan, Steve Dalachinsky, John Farris, and Howie Solo >> >> Artists from Japan, France, Italy, Canada, Poland, China, Russia and the >> United States: >> >> BOKOV, Robert Carioscia, Ismael Cosme, Steve Dalachinsky, >> Maggie Ens, Jocelyn Fiset, Bernard Francois, Nicola Frangione, Dan >> Glaser, Liu Guangyun, Ed Higgins, Rene Hinds, Hoop, Keiko Kamma, Ron >> Keefer, Julius Klein, Mark Kostabi, Ivan Kustura, Joe Maynard, Taisuke >> Morishita, Phil Rostek, Jennifer Ryan, Gecko Saccomanno, Shalom, Helga >> Von Eichen Koppal, Krzystof Zarebski and Antony Zito. >> >> The FusionArts Museum is the only space in New York City that is >> dedicated to showing fusion art exclusively: the technique of melding >> or fusing different art disciplines into another art form. Like the >> previous exhibit Transfusion, this show will open the doors to an array >> of international artists all of whom are transfusing the old into the >> new, all of whom understand that the future of art, be it politically, >> socially, economically, physically and/or intellectually is in the >> generation of hybrids which allows for endless creative artistic >> possibilities. In essence, the future of art is in fusion. >> >> >> Deborah Fries, Director >> FusionArts Museum >> 57 Stanton Street >> (between Forsyth and Eldridge Streets on the Lower East Side) >> New York, NY 10002 >> (212) 995-5290 >> F or V train to 2nd Avenue and Housten Street. Exit at 1st Avenue >> >> >> -- >> Wanda Phipps >> Hey, don't forget to check out >> my website MIND HONEY >> http://users.rcn.com/wanda.interport >> (and if you have already try it again) >> poetry, music and more! >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:49:55 -0500 >> From: Kirby Olson >> Subject: Re: the miracle of academia >> >> Kazim Ali wrote: >> >>>> Kirby Olson wrote: >>>>> Ginsberg's Howl >>>>> has an acceptable message, but it's a boring poem >>>> finally, and nobody who's >>>>> once read it can go back to it and reread it for >>>> wonder. Well, it's NOT >>>>> THAT BAD, but it somehow sours because it is >>>> predictable, and I hate to have >>>>> to read it over again with students because it >>>> gets on my nerves. >>> >>> how interesting you feel this way about HOWL--perhaps >>> only your aesthetic response to it? or ethical >>> response to it? >>> >>> i remember having huge arguments about why the third >>> section (and sometimes the second section too) is cut >>> from the poem when it is anthologized. >>> >>> i mean wanting Carl Solomon to get better was the >>> whole point of the incantation wasn't it? >>> >>> but i've read it and frequently go back to it. for wonder. >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now >>> http://companion.yahoo.com/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:01:09 -0500 >> From: Kirby Olson >> Subject: Re: the miracle of academia >> >> Hi Kazim, >> >> Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a >> monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac >> or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, >> self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a >> massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, >> and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling >> principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is >> so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort >> to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, >> classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation >> much more than the violent competition others attribute to these >> supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my >> experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see >> this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save >> Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really >> human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that >> indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they >> were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that >> it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not >> natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we >> are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as >> friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it >> is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from >> there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did >> research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy >> named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and >> so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the >> game everybody is friends again. >> >> Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. >> He may still be working there. He's fine. >> >> I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of >> the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. >> >> He was just fine. >> >> Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. >> >> -- Kirby >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 14:12:47 -0700 >> From: Julie Kizershot >> Subject: emily d question >> >> Hi all. >> >> >> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie Dill >> for example) >> >> >> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems or >> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >> >> >> thanks for your time-- >> >> >> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:14:33 -0800 >> From: Kazim Ali >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I >> promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily >> Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was >> reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" >> >> --- Julie Kizershot wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at >>> 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and >>> poetry. So many poets, from >>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about >>> Miss D and many visual >>> artist have also done representations of her or with >>> her work (Leslie Dill >>> for example) >>> >>> >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any >>> references to poems or >>> artist that they can think of so I can look up their >>> work! >>> >>> >>> thanks for your time-- >>> >>> >>> Julie K >> >> >> ===== >> ==== >> >> WAR IS OVER >> >> (if you want it) >> >> (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >> http://photos.yahoo.com/ >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 13:25:37 -0800 >> From: Rodney K >> Subject: Re: Knife in Art >> >> Mike & All, >> >> Just came across this from Artaud: >> >> "I seek to isolate those discoveries which lucid reason does not >> provide. I surrender to the fever of dreams, but only in order to >> derive from them new laws. I seek multiplication, subtlety, the >> intellectual eye in delirium, not rash vaticination. There is a knife >> which I do not forget. >> >> But it is a knife which is halfway into dreams, which I keep inside >> myself, which I do not allow to come to the frontier of the lucid >> senses." >> A. Artaud, "Manifesto in Clear Language," 1925 >> >> hooks up nicely with this, from "The Theater and Its Double": >> >> "In the state of degeneracy in which we live, it is through the skin >> that metaphysics will be made to reenter our minds." >> >> Look out, Jackson--Antonin's packin'. Off to find my fork ... >> >> Rodney >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:20:06 -0500 >> From: jessica beard >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> here's an article about the film that was made on emily d. that also >> has references to other artists... >> >> www.newenglandfilm.com/news/archives/02october/dickinson.ht >> m >> >> jb >> >> Quoting Kazim Ali : >> >>> There is a lovely sestina (that isn't an oxymoron I >>> promise) by Barbara Lefcowitz called I think "Emily >>> Dickinson's Sestina for Molly Bloom" that was >>> reprinted in that old anthology "Strong Measures" >>> >>> --- Julie Kizershot wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at >>>> 20th century >>>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and >>>> poetry. So many poets, from >>>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about >>>> Miss D and many visual >>>> artist have also done representations of her or with >>>> her work (Leslie Dill >>>> for example) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any >>>> references to poems or >>>> artist that they can think of so I can look up their >>>> work! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your time-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie K >>> >>> >>> ===== >>> ==== >>> >>> WAR IS OVER >>> >>> (if you want it) >>> >>> (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >>> http://photos.yahoo.com/ >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:46:05 +0000 >> From: Josh Robinson >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> for what it's worth: >> >> EMILY DICKINSON >> >> Higgledy-piggledy >> Emily Dickinson >> Liked to use dashes >> Instead of full stops. >> >> Nowadays, faced with such >> Idiosyncrasy, >> Critics and editors >> Send for the cops. >> >> Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) >> >> all best, >> >> j >> >> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >>> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie >>> Dill for example) >>> >>> >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>> >>> >>> thanks for your time-- >>> >>> >>> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:53:36 -0500 >> From: shanna compton >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> Visual artist Roni Horn has made several pieces and installations using >> lines from Dickinson. >> >>> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >>>> from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >>>> visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >>>> (Leslie Dill for example) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your time-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 18:10:38 -0500 >> From: Don Summerhayes >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> Dear Julie, >> >> Here's something I published 20 years ago! >> >> >> Defector >> >> The year that Mr. Lincoln died -- >> You wrote almost one Poem a Day -- >> Winnowed the Groans the Wounded made -- >> Selected your own Society. >> >> You nursed some Trifle in your Soul -- >> Some Hurt too small to justify -- >> Impatient -- pallid -- punctual -- >> It wrung your cramped Garrulity >> >> And -- Page after Page -- delinquent Years -- >> Your Self behind your Self -- possessed. >> You weighed the World the Others wore -- >> You felt God fumbling at your Breast -- >> >> Until the opening of a Door >> Silenced the Angel in your Bed -- >> A dot upon a shrinking Sphere >> Marring the Page your white Sheet made. >> >> The War, for all you knew, was fought >> By buzzing Flies -- on Window Panes! >> Consummate Civilian -- yet -- in Death -- >> You skulk behind the opposing Lines. >> >> It has most recently been published in This Old Man Reclines on the Field >> of Heaven: Poems 1979-2000 by Exile Editions in Toronto. >> >> Best wishes, >> Don Summerhayes >> >> >> >> Julie Kizershot wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, from >>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many visual >>> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie >>> Dill for example) >>> >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>> >>> thanks for your time-- >>> >>> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 16:55:37 -0800 >> From: Joel Weishaus >> Subject: Re: the miracle of academia >> >> Kirby: >> >> It was written during the 1950s, of which these days of Terrorist >> paranoia, instead of Communist paranoia, Ashcroft instead of McCarthy, >> remind me. So maybe Howl actually is still relevant! >> But you're right about self-inflicted wounds. I'm not for that, although >> an artist must have a degree of madness, must be able to take emotional >> and physical, as well as aesthetic, risks, which the best of the Beats >> did, and is sadly lacking in these tenure-oriented times. >> But I like your thought that "Everything always ends up in friendship." So >> why do we have to go through the steps of killing people first? Why can't >> we go directly to friendship? Something like this was on Allan's mind >> during his latter years. There was a life after Howl. >> >> -Joel >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kirby Olson" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 12:01 PM >> Subject: Re: the miracle of academia >> >> >>> Hi Kazim, >>> >>> Maybe I just don't buy the whole premise of the poem that there is a >>> monstrous Moloch stalking Allen and all his pals. What killed Kerouac >>> or Neal Cassady? Booze, self-inflicted, in the first case, and speed, >>> self-inflicted, in the second. I get tired of this idea that there is a >>> massive state gobbling people up. I used to be interested in anarchism, >>> and perhaps the idea of mutual aid still seems to me to be the ruling >>> principle. I see this everywhere. I just don't think that the world is >>> so competitive and beastly as others do, and so I find Ginsberg's resort >>> to this old gnostic notion gets on my nerves. Even between races, >>> classes, and genders I see mostly mutual aid and mutual appreciation >>> much more than the violent competition others attribute to these >>> supposedly Manichean dividing lines. Or perhaps that's just my >>> experience? Even in Iraq with whom we are supposedly at war we can see >>> this spirit of mutual aid everywhere -- the guy who chose to save >>> Jessica Lynch is just one part of that unfolding story. It's not really >>> human to want to hurt other people so it's a very rare freak that >>> indulges in it. I was saying this to a class the other day when they >>> were asking me about how I felt about the war, and I was saying that >>> it's just a way to make things exciting to create a war. It's not >>> natural though. We'll end up being friends with the Iraquis, just as we >>> are friends now with the Vietnamese. Everything always ends up as >>> friendship. It's almost disappointing as it seems to lack drama, but it >>> is a basic human law. So they said what about NYC (they're mostly from >>> there) and they said, let's watch Gangs of NY. So we did, and I did >>> research on the film. Bill the Butcher never existed (there was a guy >>> named William Poole who it's based on, but he never killed anybody) and >>> so on. It's just a way to sell tickets -- same as sports. After the >>> game everybody is friends again. >>> >>> Carl Solomon ended up working in a bookstore in Grand Central Station. >>> He may still be working there. He's fine. >>> >>> I think Solomon wanted his name out of the text because he was tired of >>> the freak show. That's what I think he said once at Naropa. >>> >>> He was just fine. >>> >>> Ginsberg's hysteria is just too much for me. >>> >>> -- Kirby >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:39:44 -0600 >> From: Jesse Seldess >> Subject: December Discrete Series / Chicago Event >> >> ____THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030______ >> >> presents Barbara Cully :: Frances Sjoberg >> >> Friday, Dec. 12 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB >> >> >> [Barbara Cully is the author of _The New Intimacy_ (Penguin, 1997), which >> won the National Poetry Series Open Competition, _Shoreline Series_ (Kore >> Press, 1997), and, most recently, _Desire Reclining_ (Penguin, 2003). She >> has received fellowships from the Arizona Commission on the Arts and has >> been Writer-in-Residence for the YMCA Writer's Voice. She has taught at >> the Prague Summer Writer's Program and currently teachers in the >> Department of English at the University of Arizona.] >> >> [Frances Sjoberg was born in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan and raised in >> Globe, Arizona, a small copper mining town. She received an MFA in Poetry >> from the Warren Wilson Program for Writers and her poetry has been >> published in _Sonora Review_, _Forklift Ohio_, _Barrow Street_, >> _Salamander_, _canwehaveourballback_, and in translation in _Critica_, a >> journal of the Universidad de Puebla in Mexico. Her work was also >> included in the chapbook anthology, _Poets for Peace_. Sjoberg is on the >> advisory board for the arts organization POG, is an ad-hoc board member >> for Kore Press, and is a contributing editor for Spork Magazine. >> Recently, she received a grant from the Fund for Poetry. She is the >> literary director of the University of Arizona Poetry Center.] >> >> >> 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., one >> block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is >> easiest on Armitage. >> >> The Discrete Series will present an event of >> poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. For >> more information about this or upcoming events, email >> j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com, or call the space at >> 773-862-3616. >> >> >> http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm >> >> >> ..If you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:24:40 -0500 >> From: Steven Shoemaker >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> This poem is rather misleading. I don't think E.D. ever got published >> with idiosyncrasies intact during her lifetime, and certainly all the >> "early" book publications re-punctuated and generally scrubbed up the >> work. Only relatively recently have we had editions that attempt to be >> more faithful to the manuscripts. >> >> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003, Josh Robinson wrote: >> >>> for what it's worth: >>> >>> EMILY DICKINSON >>> >>> Higgledy-piggledy >>> Emily Dickinson >>> Liked to use dashes >>> Instead of full stops. >>> >>> Nowadays, faced with such >>> Idiosyncrasy, >>> Critics and editors >>> Send for the cops. >>> >>> Wendy Cope, from _Making Cocoa for Kingsley Amis_ (1986) >>> >>> all best, >>> >>> j >>> >>> On Sat, 2003-12-06 at 21:12, Julie Kizershot wrote: >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >>>> from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >>>> visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >>>> (Leslie Dill for example) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to >>>> poems or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your time-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie K >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:41:08 -0600 >> From: Schlesinger >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> The film touches on some of the impossibility of making a "traditional" = >> documentary about E.D., and the filmmaker does a nice job tracking down = >> some of the more eccentric homage to her life and writing. It played = >> locally in Providence - perhaps Mike Magee saw it also? >> >> All Best, >> >> Kyle >> >> P.S. If Jessica's link didn't work, you might try: = >> http://www.dickinsonfilm.com/about/list.htm >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 11:42:11 +0900 >> From: Ben Basan >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> Hi Julie, >> >> Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You = >> Is..." >> >> -Ben >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: UB Poetics discussion group = >> [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Subject: emily d question >>> =20 >>> Hi all. >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, = >> from >>> Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many = >> visual >>> artist have also done representations of her or with her work (Leslie = >> Dill >>> for example) >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to = >> poems or >>> artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> thanks for your time-- >>> =20 >>> =20 >>> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 20:02:28 -0700 >> From: Julie Kizershot >> Subject: Re: emily d question >> >> Wonderful, thank you! >> >> >> >> on 12/6/2003 7:42 PM, Ben Basan at pimetrum@ZAD.ATT.NE.JP wrote: >> >>> Hi Julie, >>> >>> Don't leave out Gregory Corso's "Emily Dickenson the Trouble With You >>> Is..." >>> >>> -Ben >>> >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >>>> On Behalf Of Julie Kizershot >>>> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 6:13 AM >>>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>>> Subject: emily d question >>>> >>>> Hi all. >>>> >>>> >>>> I am working on a project in which I want to look at 20th century >>>> representations of Emily Dickinson in art and poetry. So many poets, >>>> from Hart Crane to Susan Howe have written poems about Miss D and many >>>> visual artist have also done representations of her or with her work >>>> (Leslie Dill for example) >>>> >>>> >>>> I am asking this knowledgeable group to send me any references to poems >>>> or artist that they can think of so I can look up their work! >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your time-- >>>> >>>> >>>> Julie K >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:49:09 -0800 >> From: aaron tieger >> Subject: Re: knife >> >> This: >> >> Knife >> >> I was out one night >> acrawling and acreeping. >> I spied a fair maiden >> asnoring and asleeping. >> Just lay your leg over me, do. >> Says I, "My pretty monarch, >> I'll come to bed to you." >> She snored, and replied, >> "Just come to bed to me, >> and lay your leg over me do." >> "Your drawers are so tight >> that I can not undo them." >> She snored, and replied, >> "Then take a knife to them. >> Just lay your leg over me, do." >> "I haven't owned a knife >> since I can remember." >> She snored, and replied, >> "There's a knife in the window. >> Just lay your leg over me, do." >> The knife was got down >> and the drawers was cut under, >> and then they went at it >> like alightning and athunder >> and alay your leg over me, do. >> In about nine months, >> this maid fell aweeping, >> and then she remembered >> the snoring and the creeping >> and the "Lay your leg over me, do." >> The babe it was born. >> It was an awful wonder >> that it wasn't killed >> by the lightning and the thunder >> and the "Lay your leg over me, do." >> >> From Vance Randolph's ROLL ME IN YOUR ARMS, a collection of "unprintable" >> folk songs from the Ozarks, edited by Gershon Legman (University of >> Arkansas Press, 1992) >> >> I first heard the song on my friends' album, SPINE. Check out the band >> Cordelia's Dad at http://www.cordeliasdad.com >> >> AARON >> >> >> ===== >> "We were fervent listeners... we were like sticks of dynamite." (Joe >> Strummer) >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> New Yahoo! 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What emerges is a catalog of loves and laments: "Just the eldergrass and him, the fog, unpoliced and safe inside the train, the thoughts of rain, Apollo, and the sun . . ." GRAHAM FOUST, AS IN EVERY DEAFNESS Graham Foust's first collection sounds the depths of need and loss through narcotics and the bleak interiors of winter. Although suspended in indefinite, sometimes desperate states of desire, these spare poems move toward an honest recognition of the damage incurred: "Welcome, autumn, / to my room / of empty things. / / Welcome to a room / like you." ROBERT DUNCAN, LETTERS: POEMS 1953-56 First published by the Jargon Society in 1958, Letters announces the major phase of Robert Duncan's writing. Though long unavailable, it stands as a foundational book of postmodern poetry, setting "self-creation and self-consciousness in constant interplay" (in the author's own words). Edited by Robert J. Bertholf, the present edition includes an afterword as well as a series of memos from Duncan to the typesetter Claude Fredericks. WILLIAM FULLER, SADLY Drawing equally on Buddhist sutras and country blues, Sadly derives compassion from its ironic vision. Quick and sometimes elusive, these poems observe fluctuations in consciousness, economic markets, and the weather. In the Chicago Tribune, Maureen McLane has written of Fuller's "dense, elliptical meditations," finding "luminous images that consistently marry the cerebral and the sensual." FOR MORE INFORMATION ON FLOOD EDITIONS: http:/www.floodeditions.com NEW BOOKS FROM THE GIG EDITIONS REMOVED FOR FURTHER STUDY: THE POETRY OF TOM RAWORTH Removed for Further Study brings together new writing on the British poet Tom Raworth by 24 poets and critics from both sides of the Atlantic, four previously uncollected texts by the poet, and a detailed bibliography. The contributors are: David Ball, cris cheek, Ian Davidson, Nate Dorward, Ken Edwards, Gunnar Harding, Anselm Hollo, Fanny Howe, Doug Lang, J. C. C. Mays, Peter Middleton, Alan Munton, Tom Orange, Marjorie Perloff, Simon Perril, Joan Retallack, Peter Robinson, Claude Royet-Journoud, Robert Sheppard, Ron Silliman, Jonathan Skinner, Keith Tuma, Ben Watson and John Wilkinson. Removed for Further Study provides a fresh and engaging set of responses to the work of one of the major poets of our time. MAGGIE O'SULLIVAN, PALACE OF REPTILES The long-awaited followup to O'Sullivan's In the House of the Shaman (1993), Palace of Reptiles is a dance and a ritual conducted in language, a plumbing and sounding-out of buried histories and vocabularies. Ranging from the brief and beautiful "Ellen's Lament" to the central long poem "DOUBTLESS," the eight poems of this book touch on multiple genres--elegy, celebration, performance art, poetics talk--in order to transform them. FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE GIG EDITIONS: http:/www.geocities.com/ndorward . * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:16:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Poets' life span In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE how do they know someone's poet? Sir, have you ever written or read a poem? Do you know poets? my guess is that the reason poets are more subject to depression is that they pay ATTENTION and REFLECT on what they have attended to. the world is not solely a barrel of laughs. this i gather is something that Leno probably has small, if not negligible, acquaintance rmc --=20 Robert Corbett, Ph.C.=09=09"Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs=09 I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding=09=09=09 map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657=09=09 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218=09=09 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Sun, 7 Dec 2003 ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU wrote: > > > > > "And here's a very odd fact =E2=80=94 according to a study out of the Uni= versity > of, uh, San Bernadino. Poets. Poets die younger than the general > population. Poets have an average life span of 60 years old. They say one > of the reasons is poets are more likely to suffer from depression... > =E2=80=94 when they realize they have no marketable skills.... 'I can't d= o > anything.'" > =E2=80=94 Jay Leno, from his monolog on the Tonite Show, Dec. 4, 2003. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:51:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: I'm known for one thing, and one thing only. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm known for one thing, and one thing only. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:13:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Matthew Keenan Subject: Re: Urmuz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OSU (Ohio) libraries has a copy of an Urmuz book: "Pagini bizare / Urmuz = Weird pages / Urmuz ; translated from the Romanian by Stavros Deligiorgis" I can check it out if you want. Matt ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:16:49 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii alexander saliby wrote: > The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." > > Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. > > I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. > > Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. > Thanks, > Alex ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:18:40 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alexander, this is fascinating. I wonder if the site is marked or commemorated in any way. It could be a point for civic reconstruction. I think a single idea circulating like this can help to rebuild a town's sense of itself. I remember reading this, but cannot at this point contribute anything concrete in terms of location. I would like to know what is currently on the site that Coleridge once owned (I assume it is not still owned by his family, or heirs?). The site should be pinpointed, and honored in some way. -- Kirby alexander saliby wrote: > The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." > > Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. > > I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. > > Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. > Thanks, > Alex ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:34:44 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: "Because We're Winning" Bremer Warns Attacks in Iraq Will Escalate Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press "Because We're Winning" Bremer Warns Attacks in Iraq Will Escalate: U.S. Soldier, Two Iraqis Killed in Explosion Near Mosque by Jeffrey Schlepperupper The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 13:58:14 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: Binghamton In-Reply-To: <3FD62E20.7445866C@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I want to say that Joseph Priestley did make it out to Susquehanna. He was far more practically revolutionary than his younger poetic peers. As a consequence, the church, constitution, and crown mob basically torched his house in London. a side note is that the early romantics/Jacobins tended to be men (and women) of a certain age--most over thirty and already in careers that (as shown by the above) could be harmed by professing views contrary to the state. (Blake, Holcroft, Wollstonecraft, and Godwin belong to this group). The younger (first-generation) romantics (Coleridge, Southey, Wordsworth) dallied with being radicals, but apostasized when it was clear the wind was blowing in a different direction. Hazlitt, nearly alone of his generation, kept the faith. It's perhaps no coincedence that he was dissenter; i.e. a non-C of E communicant, and thereby disenfranchised by the English political system Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Kirby Olson wrote: > Alexander, this is fascinating. I wonder if the site is marked or commemorated in any way. It could be a point for civic reconstruction. I think a single idea circulating like this can help to rebuild a town's sense of itself. I remember reading this, but cannot at this point contribute anything concrete in terms of location. I would like to know what is currently on the site that Coleridge once owned (I assume it is not > still owned by his family, or heirs?). > > The site should be pinpointed, and honored in some way. > > -- Kirby > > alexander saliby wrote: > > > The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." > > > > Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. > > > > I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. > > > > Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. > > Thanks, > > Alex > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 14:23:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: juliana spahr Subject: some poetry events at the mla MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Poetry Division of the MLA is presenting the following panels at the MLA convention in San Diego. More details on the convention at http://www.mla.org Saturday, 27 December 108. Poetry and the Politics and Theories of Its Translation 7:00-8:15 p.m., Madeleine C and D, Manchester Grand Hyatt Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. Presiding: Stephen McCaffery, York Univ. 1. "Not a Color of Its Own? Relational Translation," Mary Ann Caws, Graduate Center, City Univ. of New York 2. "Translation, Transformation, Rewriting: Joseph Brodsky," Michael Eskin, Columbia Univ. 3. "The Haiku in Europe, 1870-1920," Jan Hokenson, Florida Atlantic Univ. 4. "Translating Downward, Translating Horizontally: National Languages and Poetic Activity," Chet Wiener, San Francisco State Univ. Monday, 29 December 641. Conversations with Poets: Harryette Mullen 7:15-8:30 p.m., Manchester Ballroom D, Manchester Grand Hyatt Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. Presiding: Juliana Mary Spahr, Univ. of Hawai'i, Manoa Speaker: Harryette Romell Mullen, Univ. of California, Los Angeles Respondents: Adalaide Morris, Univ. of Iowa; Roland Greene, Stanford Univ.; Lorenzo Thomas, Univ. of Houston, Downtown Campus Tuesday, 30 December 705. A Practical Discussion about Reading the Poetries of the Americas: What? Why? How? 8:30-9:45 a.m., Columbia 2, San Diego Marriott Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. Presiding: Roland Greene, Stanford Univ. Speakers: Odile Cisneros, New York Univ. Roberto J. Tejada, Dartmouth Coll. Maria Damon, Univ. of Minnesota, Twin Cities David Colón, Stanford Univ. Charles A. Perrone, Univ. of Florida and the real party will be at the Museum of Contemporary Art Downtown which is at 1001 Kettner, at Broadway... Rae Armantrout from Literature and Roberto Tejada from Art are curating a group poetry reading by poets participating in the MLA. This event will take place on Dec. 28, from 6:00-9:00, at the Museum of Contemporary Art Downtown. A book signing and reception will follow. The complete list of participants is as follows: David Antin, Rae Armantrout, Susan Briante, Joshua Clover, Michael Davidson, Richard Deming, Stacy Doris, Dan Featherston, Gloria Gervitz, Carla Harryman, Nancy Kuhl, Hank Lazer, Steve McCaffery, Mark McMorris, Laura Moriarty, Eileen Myles, Jena Osman, Ted Pearson, Peter Ramos, Joe Ross, Jerome Rothenberg, Juliana Spahr, Lorenzo Thomas, Pasquale Verdicchio, Barrett Watten, Elizabeth Willis and Wai Lim Yip. This event is sponsored by the UCSD Center for the Humanities and the UCSD Department of Literature. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:42:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: Susan Landers' 248 mgs., a panic picnic, O Books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New from O Books: 248 mgs., a panic picnic by Susan Landers 88 pages, ISBN # 1-882022-50-5, $12.00. O Books: 5729 Clover Drive Oakland CA 94618. Distributed by SPD: = 510-524-1668. 1341 Seventh St. Berkeley CA 94710. "Sue Landers plays a keyboard of melodious funny daring rhymes in = delightful Steinesque rounds. Here is a picnic of the mind bent through = a clever child's eye's view - this first book is lovely, joy-filled, = cathartic, and smart." - Lisa Jarnot "Daredevils, precipice-walkers, smoke jumpers: take note. Sue Landers = has cracked your code. The prickly and wired tercets of panic picnic = warn of the risk and necessity of coming to consciousness on the bed of = broken glass called memory. Because "Every obsession/needs a = collaboration/in public" the work recruits a multiplicity of subjects = projected from one another so no one is object/abject but each complicit = with the obsession of dismemory/dismembering memory. The ensuing = humanity is a rugged compassion, a hellcat's language sobered by the = memory mill, but ultimately the safety net of a poetry that sticks its = neck out." - Heather Fuller ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:50:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: New Poems About Places Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline CONNECTION You hoist the pump of your rage in Minnesota 1968 And in Providence 2003 tears gush out. www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:35:19 +1300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain As I recall there were disagreements over the question of the ownership of property, whether everything should be held in common or not, basic issues like that. And that these disagreements were what sunk the scheme. Coleridge gave quite a few public lectures on Pantisocracy in an effort to raise money for the venture. Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Mairead Byrne [mailto:mbyrne@RISD.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 4:17 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Binghamton Dear Alex, At one time I was fascinated by this, and wanted to write a book of poetry about it. Instead I wrote a long poem, based to some extent on Southey's Life of Nelson, on Horatio Nelson. Southey and Coleridge were in this together (I think they were married to 2 sisters); the movement was called Pantisocracy. One or other of them actually got as far as Liverpool to inquire about boats. I know very little after all this time: but it's still an episode I find intriguing. I was interested in it mainly because of Coleridge (the over-riding image of whom is still, in my brain, the picture of him digging impacted feces out of his anus with a pen in the latter stages of debilitation as a result of addiction). There was something comical about the enterprise: something that would have very much ceased to be comical if ever the poets and their wives had actually arrived and started wresting lives out of the fresh air. I was also interested in the prospect of parallel lives: what might have been; but more interested in what stopped Colerdige and Southey proceeding with the realization of their dream. If you do any work on this, I'd be interested in seeing it. Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> alex39@MSN.COM 12/09/03 01:16 AM >>> The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. Thanks, Alex ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:46:09 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Mark DuCharm Where Are You???? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit mark ducharm... please send kent johnson your phone number... YOUR EMAIL WON'T RECEIVE EMAIL... & things are getting tight... this means pronto!! Do you have an alternate email?? Inquiring minds want to know, AND SOON! Thanks... Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:48:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Felsinger Subject: Mark DuCharme Where Are You???? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit That is DuCharme with and E!!: mark ducharme... please send kent johnson your phone number... YOUR EMAIL WON'T RECEIVE EMAIL... & things are getting tight... this means pronto!! Do you have an alternate email?? Inquiring minds want to know, AND SOON! Thanks... Andrew ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:22:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Questions Simple Comments: To: furniture_press@GRAFFITI.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Chris, My answers to your questions, though probably too late for this semester. 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? Poetry disdains tasks. Poetry is a shirker, a Mary to Martha, a Mary with delicious long hair and a fiery or sibilant tongue. But like Mary, and everything except the lilies, poetry is given tasks, which she morosely fulfils, crying, considering no compensation enough. Actually, I realize this describes myself rather than poetry. I think poetry principally communicates backwards: all the dead poets whom one loves and whom one would too shy or too wrong to converse with in life are there, in whispers, at just the right volume. Poetry readings can be a lot of fun, personally I love (giving) them, but poetry, whether communicating backwards or forwards, seems best adapted to gaps in time or space or language or concepts or presence: which cry out for leap-frogging as much as poetry likes to leap-frog. A marvelous symbiosis. 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. It's also fun for the tongue, fun for the ear, fun for the eye, and fun for the weird little brain. I am speaking from the heart. 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? If the poet is a liberator, the person being liberated is herself. Notice how close to "Satire" is "Sartre"! Everyone who deals with words and/or human beings has an ethical responsibility. That's everybody. Nobody's out there conferring anything on poets. Except tasks. 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? Like ballet or chess. Did you see AVERAGE JOE last night? Wasn't it funny when the handsome guy said chess was beyond him so they played lifesize checkers for a bit and then realized the white pieces should be on the white squares, ditto the black? I also liked the bit in the boudoir where the furry dog caught fire. This is a very hard question and I have now used up the 20 mins a day I allot to poetry. I doubt this has been any help at all, Chris, but I have been looking forward to doing it for some time. With every good wish, Mairéad www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> w.curnow@AUCKLAND.AC.NZ 12/09/03 20:30 PM >>> As I recall there were disagreements over the question of the ownership of property, whether everything should be held in common or not, basic issues like that. And that these disagreements were what sunk the scheme. Coleridge gave quite a few public lectures on Pantisocracy in an effort to raise money for the venture. Wystan -----Original Message----- From: Mairead Byrne [mailto:mbyrne@RISD.EDU] Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 4:17 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Binghamton Dear Alex, At one time I was fascinated by this, and wanted to write a book of poetry about it. Instead I wrote a long poem, based to some extent on Southey's Life of Nelson, on Horatio Nelson. Southey and Coleridge were in this together (I think they were married to 2 sisters); the movement was called Pantisocracy. One or other of them actually got as far as Liverpool to inquire about boats. I know very little after all this time: but it's still an episode I find intriguing. I was interested in it mainly because of Coleridge (the over-riding image of whom is still, in my brain, the picture of him digging impacted feces out of his anus with a pen in the latter stages of debilitation as a result of addiction). There was something comical about the enterprise: something that would have very much ceased to be comical if ever the poets and their wives had actually arrived and started wresting lives out of the fresh air. I was also interested in the prospect of parallel lives: what might have been; but more interested in what stopped Colerdige and Southey proceeding with the realization of their dream. If you do any work on this, I'd be interested in seeing it. Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> alex39@MSN.COM 12/09/03 01:16 AM >>> The "Poems about Places" contest incited new interest in an old subject for me. Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state that was to become the location of their "perfect society." Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance from down town Binghamton. I have since my early U.G. days, trashed all my old notes; I'm having a bit of difficulty remembering much, if anything about the Romantics and their desires to establish pure Socialistic Edens in the new world. I have since my efforts to commence my search run across the desires of Robert Southy to build a socialist's center in Southern Mass, but while it may be a related piece of information it is not what I'm looking for. Care to share your knowledge and refresh my memory? I appreciate any and all pointers to help in my research. Thanks, Alex ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:43:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: entering the absence of names MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII entering the absence of names how much longercan we enter the name of the Truth of Godthe Hammer of God in this world of marvels and travelsAbsolutes which fade into chaotic and fractal margins, no one knows the differance.debris of shame and stigma, what we can bring to the table.the table of eyes. derailing of neuroses with the real neuroses just beneath the surface, of the real neuroses.a return to the moment or movement of arms, across boards, before the end of hands.of one + | + and the other + || + and the fragility of better worlds.subtracting from the fragility.more and more the infinitesimal grains of the world dominated the realm of particle and pixel, as if everything breathed a new salvation.the real faltered on both smoothing and corrosion, integration, and the remnants of the classical differential, once and for all epistemologically defeated.an agreement, only to use language where applicable, "your results may vary."nothing is ever quite finished, there is always a diacritical mark, a curl, where an end might be a supposition. this nagging doubt or peripheral discomfort.beginning again and again, the mauve accents of the worldstarting to conserve what remained / in the still waters / in the waters' dark deployit was evident the infinitesimal realm gave one safe harbor for the real.you could see the grains of sand shimmering under the respiration of the biosphere.--or not, and languor, and + || +neither tulip nor pansy, this long journey back into the history of softwarewhy can't we continue with our real voices, she asked, our real voices, our real real voice. the hall was silent. his whole life flashed before her eyes.everything was submerged as the glaciers melted, the icecaps disappeared. lands skimmed the surfaces of water. an enormous mountain, inverted, reached down to kill the world.the flush of pink and in this season, the dark melancholy of purples and blues. _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:54:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: Rouge State MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All, For the curious, "Rouge State" is available on line at: Amazon.com Small Press Distribution Pavement Saw (email: editor@pavementsaw.org) & in the flesh at: Modern Times Dog Eared Books Phoenix Books Bird & Beckett Green Apple Books all in San Francisco. Feel free also to backchannel me if you'd like to get a copy or carry it in your store--cheap at $12. "In Rouge State, Rodney Koeneke puts the blush back on the demotic....Welcome to these states!" Michael Gizzi "These elegant verses have teeth, and be warned: behind each incisor lurks a Dunciad." K. Silem Mohammad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:02:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: Questions Simple MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Chris, My answers to your questions probably also too late for this semester. but they are from the hip: 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? i think poetry only offers something to the reader, i.e. the reader communicates with his/herself through an understanding of a poem. it does not offer an author's view or give a reader a view of the author behind the emerald curtain. this is an illusion. such an understanding of a poem is only a construct of the reader and only demonstrates the reader's choices in what to understand from the text. a writer becomes a reader the minute he or she edits a poem or writes with a purpose, albeit a reader with a special privilege, that of changing the visual appearance of a written poem or aural appearance of a spoken one. the minute a writer begins to understand what is being written by him or herself, he or she becomes a reader. 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? poetry doesn't communicate anything. readers read meaning. signification is an act of recognition on behalf of the reader that offers a handy system for supposing meaning. poetry doesn't communicate ideas or actions, these things are read into/from a poem by a reader. ideas, actions, meanings, these are decisions a reader makes. 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? the writer and the reader have ethical responsibilities. poetry can't liberate it is an inanimate thing, a concept. a person can use poetry or their reading of a poem to prompt action, yes. the writer doesn't give consciousness, the reader reads it into the prose that is supposed to create a character as in _Ulysses_; the reader is the presence which connects, and maintains the characters in that story. 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? no, though, and by now you've probably guessed my answer, it can be the 'task' of the reader. the question is a curious one though. does it take positions? well, a poem can take a position, as in elicit a reading which suggests a certain position, or stance of the reader's thought... and in that sense it takes a position as in literally removes it from the reader. the reader gives that position to the text... thanks for the questions. they may have seemed simple, but sometimes simple questions can offer great opportunity for insight into more complex situation. Deleuze points to the correspondence between Spinoza and Bleynbergh, suggesting that Bleynbergh's letters were somehow simple, but the answers they elicited in Spinoza were well worth the apparent simpleness of the corresponder (In: _Deleuze, Spinoza: Practical Philosophy_, pg 30). jason ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:07:29 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Zervos Subject: Re: Questions Simple In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks mairead and Jason, enjoyed reading your different responses Seasons greetings from hot humid surfers paradise queensland australia. komninos |||-----Original Message----- |||From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] |||On Behalf Of Mairead Byrne |||Sent: Wednesday, 10 December 2003 3:22 PM |||To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU |||Subject: Questions Simple ||| |||Dear Chris, ||| |||My answers to your questions, though probably too late for this |||semester. ||| |||1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it = not |||communicate and how? ||| |||Poetry disdains tasks. Poetry is a shirker, a Mary to Martha, a Mary |||with delicious long hair and a fiery or sibilant tongue. But like = Mary, |||and everything except the lilies, poetry is given tasks, which she |||morosely fulfils, crying, considering no compensation enough. = Actually, |||I realize this describes myself rather than poetry. ||| |||I think poetry principally communicates backwards: all the dead poets |||whom one loves and whom one would too shy or too wrong to converse = with |||in life are there, in whispers, at just the right volume. Poetry |||readings can be a lot of fun, personally I love (giving) them, but |||poetry, whether communicating backwards or forwards, seems best = adapted |||to gaps in time or space or language or concepts or presence: which = cry |||out for leap-frogging as much as poetry likes to leap-frog. A = marvelous |||symbiosis. ||| |||2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is = poetry |||a communicator of ideas? actions? ||| |||Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. It's also fun for the tongue, fun for the |||ear, fun for the eye, and fun for the weird little brain. I am = speaking |||from the heart. ||| |||3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? = does |||this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? ||| |||If the poet is a liberator, the person being liberated is herself. |||Notice how close to "Satire" is "Sartre"! Everyone who deals with = words |||and/or human beings has an ethical responsibility. That's everybody. |||Nobody's out there conferring anything on poets. Except tasks. ||| |||4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? ||| |||Like ballet or chess. Did you see AVERAGE JOE last night? Wasn't it |||funny when the handsome guy said chess was beyond him so they played |||lifesize checkers for a bit and then realized the white pieces should = be |||on the white squares, ditto the black? I also liked the bit in the |||boudoir where the furry dog caught fire. This is a very hard = question |||and I have now used up the 20 mins a day I allot to poetry. ||| |||I doubt this has been any help at all, Chris, but I have been looking |||forward to doing it for some time. ||| |||With every good wish, ||| |||Mair=E9ad ||| Dear Chris, My answers to your questions probably also too late for this semester. but they are from the hip: 1. is the task of poetry to communicate? what, then, does it/does it not communicate and how? i think poetry only offers something to the reader, i.e. the reader communicates with his/herself through an understanding of a poem. it = does not offer an author's view or give a reader a view of the author behind = the emerald curtain. this is an illusion. such an understanding of a poem = is only a construct of the reader and only demonstrates the reader's = choices in what to understand from the text. a writer becomes a reader the minute = he or she edits a poem or writes with a purpose, albeit a reader with a = special privilege, that of changing the visual appearance of a written poem or = aural appearance of a spoken one. the minute a writer begins to understand = what is being written by him or herself, he or she becomes a reader. 2. does poetry communicate meaning? is signification meaning? is poetry a communicator of ideas? actions? poetry doesn't communicate anything. readers read meaning. = signification is an act of recognition on behalf of the reader that offers a handy = system for supposing meaning. poetry doesn't communicate ideas or actions, = these things are read into/from a poem by a reader. ideas, actions, = meanings, these are decisions a reader makes. 3. is the writer a "giver of consciousness"? (Sartre) a liberator? does this confer on the writer an ethical responsibility? the writer and the reader have ethical responsibilities. poetry can't liberate it is an inanimate thing, a concept. a person can use poetry = or their reading of a poem to prompt action, yes. the writer doesn't give consciousness, the reader reads it into the prose that is supposed to = create a character as in _Ulysses_; the reader is the presence which connects, = and maintains the characters in that story. 4. is it the task of poetry to take positions? no, though, and by now you've probably guessed my answer, it can be the 'task' of the reader. the question is a curious one though. does it = take positions? well, a poem can take a position, as in elicit a reading = which suggests a certain position, or stance of the reader's thought... and = in that sense it takes a position as in literally removes it from the = reader. the reader gives that position to the text... thanks for the questions. they may have seemed simple, but sometimes = simple questions can offer great opportunity for insight into more complex situation. Deleuze points to the correspondence between Spinoza and Bleynbergh, suggesting that Bleynbergh's letters were somehow simple, = but the answers they elicited in Spinoza were well worth the apparent = simpleness of the corresponder (In: _Deleuze, Spinoza: Practical Philosophy_, pg = 30). jason ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:56:33 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Now playing in 2,600 home theaters: Bush's lies about Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/09/uncovered/print.html Now playing in 2,600 home theaters: Bush's lies about Iraq Director Robert Greenwald's "Uncovered" reveals the deceptions and distortions used to sell the invasion. And from the limousine liberals at Moby's bash in NYC to the regular folks in Billings, Mont., antiwar and anti-Bush audiences are eating it up. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Michelle Goldberg Dec. 9, 2003 | NEW YORK -- Early one morning in June, film director Robert Greenwald settled into the study of his Los Angeles home with the day's newspaper. Midway through an article was a seemingly innocuous quote from a Bush administration official assuring the country that weapons of mass destruction programs would be found in Iraq. Greenwald says he got a knot in his stomach. The administration wasn't talking about finding actual weapons anymore. Now the rhetoric was about weapons programs, which might mean little more than sheets of paper. "I had no faith or confidence that the media would catch them on their moving of their goal," he says. "Suddenly, I could see the headline in a month where they're going to announce victory because they found programs. I flashed back on all those news conferences where they said Iraq is a danger and invoked Armageddon. "I felt I could do a service by nailing them on this complete change in why they went to war," Greenwald says. "Two or three days later I read about this group of former CIA experts from different branches who were coming out against [the administration]. I thought, 'Wow, this is interesting.' So I put the two instincts together." Thus the documentary "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War" was born. Within a few months, it was completed. Since then, "Uncovered" has emerged as a kind of liberal master narrative about the run-up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. It's for sale on several major progressive Web sites, including those of the Nation, Buzzflash, John Podesta's Center for American Progress, and MoveOn.org (both MoveOn and the Center for American Progress helped fund the film). So far, it's sold more than 40,000 copies. Financier and Bush foe George Soros held a screening of it in New York. Podesta, Bill Clinton's chief of staff, showed it to an audience of 100 at the International Spy Museum in Washington, and his center sent a copy to every member of Congress. When Greenwald screened it at a 500-seat theater in L.A., people jammed the aisles, stood in the back, and cheered when it was over. And on Sunday, people gathered in more than 2,600 American homes, cafes and community spaces to watch "Uncovered" at parties organized through the progressive group MoveOn.org. As Greenwald points out, 2,600 screens is a huge release for an hour-long documentary. Hollywood blockbusters, he says, typically open on about 4,000. The showings were held across the country, from a living room in Clearfield, Utah, to a luxury apartment in a Donald Trump building on Central Park South, where pop star Moby and money manager Boykin Curry hosted about 40 people. At 8:30 p.m. EST, parties nationwide called in to a massive conference where Eli Pariser, speaking from Moby's party, interviewed Greenwald, who'd dialed in from Los Angeles. The questions were submitted by MoveOn members. There's nothing new in "Uncovered," but there's power in the accumulation of expertise that Greenwald presents, which is one reason Bush's opponents are embracing it. It consists largely of interviews with former American intelligence agents, military officers and diplomats who eviscerate much of the White House's case for war. Among them are Joseph Wilson, the retired diplomat who investigated claims that Iraq was shopping for uranium in Niger and found them baseless; Patrick Lang, former chief Middle East analyst for the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency; Chas Freeman, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia; CIA veteran Robert Baer; and more than a dozen others. The film opens by introducing each of them and telling how long each served the United States. The weight of all their experience gives their criticisms of the Bush administration a heft missing from news reports that just quote one or two disgruntled veterans. The movie does more than just present the case against the hawks, though. Greenwald wants to make sure that the administration's prewar claims don't disappear down the memory hole now that most of them have proven false. To this end, he compiles footage of Bush and Condoleezza Rice warning of mushroom clouds and of Paul Wolfowitz telling Congress that Iraq can pay for its own reconstruction. Lately, conservative pundits like Andrew Sullivan have claimed that the administration never suggested that Iraq was an imminent threat. Greenwald offers an implicit rejoinder with a montage that begins with Bush saying, "Delay, indecision and inaction could lead to a massive and sudden horror." It then cuts to Rice, who says, "It simply makes no sense to wait any longer." Then Rumsfeld: "Take action, before it's too late." And Bush: "We will not wait." The sequence ends with Vice President Dick Cheney saying, "As President Bush has said, time is not on our side." "I believe it's irrefutable that we were lied to and information was distorted in the effort to get us to go to war," says Greenwald. "I hope the film is an element in communicating that. I hope it will reach people who already feel that, people who are uncertain, and people who disagree and will be able to look at the film and make an educated response to what I think will go down as one of the great tragedies in the history of this country." Because Sunday's screenings were hosted by MoveOn members, it's likely that many viewers already agreed with Greenwald. Yet even at Moby's Manhattan party, views were far from uniform about the justice and justifications of the war. Boykin Curry, a 37-year-old friend of Moby's who lent his sprawling apartment for the event, is strongly pro-war. "I support the war for ultimately liberal reasons," he said. "To free 30 million Iraqis from brutal repression and foster the only liberal democracy in the Middle East." If that sounds like Paul Wolfowitz's position, Curry doesn't mind -- in fact, he says he "loves" the deputy secretary of defense. Nor were some of his guests particularly political. The apartment, decorated in earth tones and Asian details, was full of lovely women with highlighted hair wearing pointy-toed boots and $150 jeans. Guests were served pizza, warm fruit pie à la mode and Veuve Clicquot champagne. Some attendees had never even heard of MoveOn, but showed up because Curry had invited them. Curry himself is dismissive of MoveOn's politics, and of Howard Dean, the favorite candidate of MoveOn members. A Lieberman supporter, he said if Dean gets the nomination, he'll vote for Bush. Yet Curry considers himself a staunch Democrat, and he's furious about the way the Bush administration deceptively sold the war and then bungled the occupation. "Like Joe Lieberman said, George Bush has given a noble war a bad name," he said. In fact, Curry blames Bush for ruining the righteous project that Wolfowitz worked for. "This isn't about being for the war or against the war," said Moby. "It's about a president who lies." Moby got involved with MoveOn a month and a half ago, when he agreed to judge the group's "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest, a competition to create the best anti-Bush advertisement. He first saw "Uncovered" in the basement of the Tribeca Grand Hotel on Nov. 6, at a screening that included Janeane Garofalo, Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and Joseph Wilson. Moby called the film "powerful" and said that before seeing it, "I didn't realize the extent of the deceit. Everyone in the administration knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were no weapons of mass destruction." It's not hard to see how "Uncovered" would leave viewers with that impression. Again and again, Greenwald juxtaposes scare-mongering quotes from the administration with expert debunking. First, he shows Bush saying, "Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." That's followed by Peter Zimmerman, former chief scientist for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, saying: "Any sarin that they were making in 1990, 1991, had a known shelf life of about two months. Well, if you made it 12 years ago and it had a shelf life of two months, it may not be safe to drink, but it isn't sarin nerve gas any longer. And there's no way the agency could not have known that." After a clip of Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation at the United Nations on Feb. 5, Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran of the CIA who founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to protest the administration's distortions, says, "I would have to comment here on Secretary of State Colin Powell's debut as an imagery analyst. It was highly embarrassing for those of us who know something about the business. We couldn't tell whether this was an honest mistake by those who now do the imagery analysis ... or whether perhaps Colin Powell was being set up." Much of what these administration critics say has since proved correct. What's missing from Greenwald's film, though, is an acknowledgment that people in the Bush administration were not the only ones who believed that Iraq had some kind of prohibited weapons. The sarin Saddam had in 1991 might have broken down, but that doesn't settle the larger question of whether Saddam continued to produce biological or chemical weapons after the U.N. weapons inspectors left in 1998. Greenwald doesn't interview anyone like Kenneth Pollack, former director for Gulf affairs at the National Security Council, a liberal Iraq hawk who at least could have explained why some well-meaning, seemingly well-informed people believed that Iraq was a threat, if not an imminent one. The only journalist in the film is the Nation's David Corn, who makes important points but who might usefully have been balanced by pro-war writers like the New York Times' Thomas Friedman or the New Republic's Peter Beinart. "Uncovered's" weakness isn't that it has a point of view, but that it hardly bothers to take on opposing ones. Frontline's October documentary, "Truth, War and Consequences," is just as damning as Greenwald's -- and covers much of the same ground -- but it's even more persuasive, because it allows players like Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi and Pentagon advisor Richard Perle to make their cases, and arguably to hang themselves. It also suggests the extent to which the administration may have deceived itself even as it was deceiving the nation, a hypothesis missing from the fairly black-and-white world of "Uncovered," in which the administration's possible motives remain opaque. Still, even if "Uncovered" lacks nuance, it's largely accurate and politically effective. Even Curry couldn't find much to disagree with in the documentary, though he did think that it trivialized and distorted Wolfowitz's vision. "I thought 85 percent of it was legit," he said. "This was a movie about Bush and his lies," said Curry. "Not about whether this war was justified." Greenwald doesn't disagree. "I think it's legitimate to debate whether to go to war on the neoconservative argument that we need to go in and fix the Middle East," he says. "It's illegitimate nonsense to talk about weapons of mass destruction and terrorism." Not that the administration is talking about either anymore. On Sunday, White House chief of staff Andy Card appeared on CNN and declared that questions about prewar intelligence are now "moot" given Saddam's atrocious human rights record. And what about weapons of mass destruction? "We think there's evidence of some programs that they had," Card said. - - - - - - - - - - - - -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:53:27 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Elrick Subject: Judith Goldman and Monica De La Torre Dec 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SEGUE READING SERIES AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB=20 http://www.bowerypoetry.com/=20 308 Bowery, just North of Houston=20 Saturdays at 4pm sharp Dec 13 Judith Goldman and M=F3nica de la Torre=20 Judith Goldman is the author of Vocoder (Roof Books 2001); work has recently= =20 appeared in Enough and How2. She recently relocated to the Bay Area, where=20 she teaches (as an adjunct) at Berkeley and is at work on her dissertation.=20= She=20 also serves on the editorial board of Krupskaya.=20 M=F3nica de la Torre is a poet and translator. She edited and translated a=20 volume of selected poems by Gerardo Deniz published by Lost Roads. With arti= st=20 Terence Gower she is co-author of the artist book Appendices, Illustrations=20= &=20 Notes. Her writing about art, poems, and translations have appeared or are=20 forthcoming in journals such as Art on Paper, BOMB, Boston Review, Cabinet,=20= Fence,=20 Chain, Pierogi Press, Review: Latin American Literature and Arts, Ten Verses= =20 and The Germ. With Michael Wiegers she edited Reversible Monuments: Contempo= rary=20 Mexican Poetry, published by Copper Canyon Press. She is the poetry editor o= f=20 The Brooklyn Rail.=20 $5 admission goes to support the readers=20 Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation=20 and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:24:28 -0500 Reply-To: ronhenry@clarityconnect.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: Binghamton Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii alexander saliby wrote: >Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, = >specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land >in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state >that was to become the location of their "perfect society." > >Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating >their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the >Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance >from down town Binghamton. Closest thing to a cite on the web is here (careful, link may wrap): http://college.hmco.com/english/kalaidjian/understanding_lit/1e/students/poetry/coleridge.html "In 1794, Coleridge met Robert Southey and for a time the two planned to immigrate to America to found a commune in Pennsylvania. This utopian scheme fell through when Southey became engaged to Edith Fricker and Coleridge met and married Sarah Fricker, Edith's younger sister. The next year Coleridge began his poetic collaboration with William Wordsworth..." The Pennsylvania border is of course not far south of Binghamton. Ron Henry / AUGHT http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/aught.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:47:38 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Pantisocratic project is sadly comic. For instance, the site on the banks of the Susquehanna was chosen because of the melliflousness of the name, the principal reasons for the failure of the idea was that the Pantisocrats could not find anyone willing to pay for their sea passage. Southey began his long retreat to conservatism as a result and Coleridge found Nether Stowey and Persons from Porlock to leave his visions safely fragmentary. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Henry" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: Re: Binghamton alexander saliby wrote: >Decades ago I remember reading that the English Romantics, = >specifically Coleridge and Wordsworth, actually purchased a plot of land >in New York state where they intended to begin to develop a city-state >that was to become the location of their "perfect society." > >Academic rumor has it that the site proposed by the poets for locating >their political paradise was at the confluence of the Chenango and the >Susquehanna rivers, which as some of you know, is just a short distance >from down town Binghamton. Closest thing to a cite on the web is here (careful, link may wrap): http://college.hmco.com/english/kalaidjian/understanding_lit/1e/students/poe try/coleridge.html "In 1794, Coleridge met Robert Southey and for a time the two planned to immigrate to America to found a commune in Pennsylvania. This utopian scheme fell through when Southey became engaged to Edith Fricker and Coleridge met and married Sarah Fricker, Edith's younger sister. The next year Coleridge began his poetic collaboration with William Wordsworth..." The Pennsylvania border is of course not far south of Binghamton. Ron Henry / AUGHT http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/aught.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:13:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Soft Skull readings in NYC this Sunday In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ____________________________________ Sunday, December 14 2003 2:00pm FINAL FREQUENCY: Shanna Compton, Tom Hopkins & Daniel Nester! The curator and her co-curating cohorts take the stage as is tradition. Join us for drinks afterward in celebration of another great season (and Shanna's birthday, which is the 18th). This is the final Frequency Series reading--ever! Shanna Compton is the Associate Publisher of Soft Skull Press and the host of the Frequency Series. Her poems have appeared or are forthcoming in Nerve, McSweeney's, Gastronomica, Boog City, Painted Bride Quarterly, and elsewhere. Her manuscript Brand New Insects was recently named a finalist for the Alice James Books Beatrice Hawley Poetry Award. For more info, see http://www.shannacompton.com. Tom Hopkins is Web Master and Editor for Soft Skull Press and a grad student in fiction in the MFA Creative Writing program at NYU. This reading marks his Shortwave debut. For more information, see http://www.tomhop.com. Daniel Nester is the author of God Save My Queen (Soft Skull Press) and a founding curator of the Frequency Series. He is also the editor of Unpleasant Event Schedule and the host of Karaoke + Poetry = Fun. For more information, see http://www.godsavemyqueen.com and http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com. For the full Frequency Series schedule, see http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html. ____________________________________ Sunday, December 14 2003 8:00pm Poets Helping Poets: Benefit for Todd Colby, Elizabeth Zechel & Melissa Piechucki! On November 19, a fire on Monitor Street in Greenpoint, Brooklyn destroyed the home and possessions of Soft Skull poet Todd Colby, his wife Elizabeth Zechel, and their neighbor and friend Melissa Piechucki. Please join us for a great night of music and poetry to help them create a new home! Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (across from CBGBs) New York, NY http: //www.bowerypoetry.com http: //www.softskull.com Suggested donations at the door: $5, $10, $25, $50, $100. Plus $2 raffle tickets to win pairs of tickets from the Joyce Theater, the Bowery Poetry Club, CDs, books and more! MUSIC by Gordon Gano of the Violent Femmes Rebecca Moore Matthew Wascovich, Brian Straw & Todd Colby Alice B. Talkless Tobi Joi READINGS by Hal Sirowitz John S. Hall Maggie Estep Brendan Lorber Sharon Mesmer Regie Cabico Cat Tyc David Cameron Lisa Miller Karen Randolf Karen Randolf T. Cole Rachel Brenda Coultas Marcella Durand Anne Elliot Daniel Nester Justin Theroux Michael Portnoy & Marrianne Vitale of the Yogurt Boys Edwin Torres Dana Bryant Celena Glen Tracey McTague Thad Rutowkski Dawn Saylor Jo Ann Wasserman SPONSORS/DONATORS include Soft Skull Press Bowery Poetry Club Gammon Records & Jordan Trachtenberg Slow Toe Publications 3AM Magazine Skanky Possum Press Boog City Lungfull! Ugly Duckling Presse Arthur Magazine LIT Unpleasant Event Schedule Call:Review (John Most) Pagan Place Zine (Merry Fortune) Eric Baus Eileen Tabios Joshua Beckman Noah Eli Gordon Susan Mills Poetz.com/NYC Poetry Calendar St. Mark's Poetry Project Kitty Magik Magazine Tish Benson Butcher Shop Press Great books and zines will be on sale! All proceeds go directly to Todd, Elizabeth & Melissa! If you are a small press or magazine and would like to donate copies to sell, contact shanna@softskull.com. To donate before the event, contact shanna@softskull.com. Monetary donations, checks and gift certificates in Todd, Elizabeth, or Melissa's names will be accepted and are most welcome! Donations via credit card will also be accepted. To make a donation on behalf of the other families affected by the fire, contact the NY Red Cross at http://www.nycredcross.org. ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:43:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS: Brian Kim Stefans' JAI-LAI FOR AUTOCRATS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS Brian Kim Stefans' JAI-LAI FOR AUTOCRATS a collection of poems in the form of a chapbook A twin edition: 50 copies made using Belgian blue linen cover stock, 100 copies made using municipal gray glossy cover stock--both with spray painted logo. Water colored frontispiece on 28 lb vellum. "The Skids" is a peripatetic eloquence of smarts and rather flippant in its statement. Brash invective flourishes in this work...Coupled with "No Special Order", equally erudite and whip lash bright." Order by sending check to Brenda Iijima (made out in her name) $6ppd. 596 Bergen Street, #1 Brooklyn, NY 11238 yoyolabs@hotmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:26:54 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fredrik Hertzberg LIT Subject: Form and Content in Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Form and Content in Poetry This blank poetry has no content; it has no structure No purpose, though the lack of a title would be useful This poem has no content This poem has no content right Now, please check back later This blank poem has no content; it has no structure Apart from that suggested by those Who have read it; the content does not Appear on the page, it has no content in this Sense. Content sucks. When a poem has Content, everything in it should be Content. When a new poem is created It has to say something, so the default Content is the phrase "This poem has no Content" - since it has no content The poem ends with a final message: "No poem content" or "Cannot create new poem content" (empty) "Empty" indicates that the poem has no Content (and consequently no ending) Its form is its purpose, its Form is part of its constructed Argument, to change it please Fill in the Blank Form. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:48:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG December event POSTPONED Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poets Nathaniel Tarn and Janet Rodney have had to postpone their upcoming POG reading (scheduled for this Saturday, December 13). We're trying to reschedule them for this coming spring (if not, for next fall). We'll resume programming in January, and should have a terrific (and busy) spring schedule. Please check our website in a couple of weeks to see what's coming up . . . www.gopog.org; or email us at mailto:pog@gopog.org good holiday wishes to all, --Tenney Nathanson for POG ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:02:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG letter . . . Comments: To: Tenney Nathanson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friends of POG: I’m writing to introduce you to POG, a Tucson-based non-profit arts organization whose mission is to present to the public the work of innovative poets and other artists, and to ask you to consider becoming a POG Patron or Sponsor. This is POG’s eighth season of public arts programming. Our Poetry in Action series presents nine or ten Tucson events per year, typically pairing a reading by a poet with a presentation by a visual artist or musician, and a visiting presenter with a local one. This cross-over programming helps to build an audience base for experimental artists working in various media, and draws attention to the ways in which Tucson’s own avant-garde artists are part of a wider process of innovation. POG is supported annually by the Arizona Commission for the Arts, the National Endowment for the Arts, and the Tucson-Pima Arts Council. However, these public monies cover only about one-third of our annual budget, which in recent years has typically exceeded $6,000. We need to raise the remainder through a combination of event admissions, special fundraisers, and private and corporate donations. We hope you’ll consider becoming a 2003-2004 Patron, for the modest amount of $100, or a Sponsor, for $50. Both Patrons and Sponsors are listed in all POG publicity. In addition, Patrons receive two free gifts and two free admissions to all POG events; Sponsors receive one of each. For contributions exceeding $100, POG will gladly negotiate additional perquisites. POG is an IRS recognized 501(c)3 non-profit corporation. All contributions are fully tax deductible to the extent allowed by law. If you’d like to purchase a Season Subscription or become a POG Sponsor or POG Patron, simply complete the accompanying form and mail it, along with your check made out to POG, to: POG, 5029 N Post Trail, Tucson, AZ 85750. Thank you for your interest in POG programming. Sincerely, Tenney Nathanson President, POG Board of Directors mailto:tenney@dakotacom.net mailto:nathanso@u.arizona.edu http://www.u.arizona.edu/~nathanso/tn POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:19:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: some poetry events at the mla In-Reply-To: <3FD64B51.5090403@hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all: somebody just sent me a correction of a typo in my online cv in response to this post and it has mysteriously and immediately, after flashing before my eyes for a second, disappeared from my inbox, my outbox *and* my trash. can you please repost? i'm not even sure who it's from. thanks so much --md At 2:23 PM -0800 12/9/03, juliana spahr wrote: >The Poetry Division of the MLA is presenting the following panels at the >MLA convention in San Diego. More details on the convention at >http://www.mla.org > > > >Saturday, 27 December >108. Poetry and the Politics and Theories of Its Translation >7:00-8:15 p.m., Madeleine C and D, Manchester Grand Hyatt >Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. >Presiding: Stephen McCaffery, York Univ. > >1. "Not a Color of Its Own? Relational Translation," Mary Ann Caws, >Graduate Center, City Univ. of New York > >2. "Translation, Transformation, Rewriting: Joseph Brodsky," Michael >Eskin, Columbia Univ. > >3. "The Haiku in Europe, 1870-1920," Jan Hokenson, Florida Atlantic Univ. > >4. "Translating Downward, Translating Horizontally: National Languages >and Poetic Activity," Chet Wiener, San Francisco State Univ. > > >Monday, 29 December >641. Conversations with Poets: Harryette Mullen >7:15-8:30 p.m., Manchester Ballroom D, Manchester Grand Hyatt >Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. >Presiding: Juliana Mary Spahr, Univ. of Hawai'i, Manoa > >Speaker: Harryette Romell Mullen, Univ. of California, Los Angeles > >Respondents: Adalaide Morris, Univ. of Iowa; Roland Greene, Stanford >Univ.; Lorenzo Thomas, Univ. of Houston, Downtown Campus > > >Tuesday, 30 December >705. A Practical Discussion about Reading the Poetries of the Americas: >What? Why? How? >8:30-9:45 a.m., Columbia 2, San Diego Marriott >Program arranged by the Division on Poetry. >Presiding: Roland Greene, Stanford Univ. > >Speakers: Odile Cisneros, New York Univ. > >Roberto J. Tejada, Dartmouth Coll. > >Maria Damon, Univ. of Minnesota, Twin Cities > >David Col=F3n, Stanford Univ. > >Charles A. Perrone, Univ. of Florida > > >and the real party will be at the Museum of Contemporary Art Downtown >which is at 1001 Kettner, at Broadway... > >Rae Armantrout from Literature and Roberto Tejada from Art are curating >a group poetry reading by poets participating in the MLA. This event >will take place on Dec. 28, from 6:00-9:00, at the Museum of >Contemporary Art Downtown. A book signing and reception will follow. > >The complete list of participants is as follows: >David Antin, Rae Armantrout, Susan Briante, Joshua Clover, Michael >Davidson, Richard Deming, Stacy Doris, Dan Featherston, Gloria Gervitz, >Carla Harryman, Nancy Kuhl, Hank Lazer, Steve McCaffery, Mark McMorris, >Laura Moriarty, Eileen Myles, Jena Osman, Ted Pearson, Peter Ramos, Joe >Ross, Jerome Rothenberg, Juliana Spahr, Lorenzo Thomas, Pasquale >Verdicchio, Barrett Watten, Elizabeth Willis and Wai Lim Yip. > >This event is sponsored by the UCSD Center for the Humanities and the >UCSD Department of Literature. -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:45:10 GMT Reply-To: alevy@slought.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Levy Organization: Slought Foundation Subject: Thursday in NYC: "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary MIME-Version: 1.0 Slought Books Launch: "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" Universal Concepts Unlimited (507 West 24th Street, NYC 10011) To purchase books online, visit: http://Slought.org/books/ For more information and press release, visit: http://Slought.org/content/11172/ or http://Slought.org/toc/publications/books/2003/ Please join us this THURSDAY in New York City for the release of "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" at Universal Concepts Unlimited (Thursday, December 11, 2003, 6:30pm-8:00pm). Contributors to this volume include Kenneth Baker, Norma Cole, Carla Harryman, Gans & Jelacic Architecture and Design, Olivier Gourvil, Ron Janssen, Joseph Masheck, Bob Perelman, Jean-Michel Rabaté, Frances Richard, Osvaldo Romberg, Keith Tuma, Chris Tysh, and Thomas Zummer, along with new work by celebrated poet, critic, and painter Marjorie Welish. The book is available for online purchasing through the Slought Foundation website as well. Editors Aaron Levy and Jean-Michel Rabaté, along with contributors Joseph Masheck, Frances Richard, Deborah Gans and Osvaldo Romberg, will be present at the book launch. "Let's dig, therefore: art is excavation." --Jean-Michel Rabaté "Can't have difference without the other thing... Difference in repetition." --Norma Cole "Where is the true red, yellow or blue?" --Marjorie Welish Marjorie Welish, a poet, painter and art critic, has contributed to several volumes on contemporary art, including Writing the Image After Roland Barthes, and Uncontrollable Beauty: Toward a New Aesthetics. Her selected criticism appears in Signifying Art: Essays on Art after 1960 (Cambridge University Press, 1999). She is the author of The Annotated "Here" and Selected Poems (Coffee House Press, 2000) and Word Group (forthcoming 2004). She exhibits her paintings with Baumgartner Gallery in New York. Audio recordings from a symposium at the University of Pennsylvania on Marjorie Welish's work, organized by Aaron Levy and Jean-Michel Rabaté, is available online: http://slought.org/series/welish/ "Of the Diagram: The Work of Marjorie Welish" Edited by Aaron Levy and Jean-Michel Rabaté | Published by Slought Books, Philadelphia Paperback Edition, 5.5 x 8.5 in, 300pp, $16.00 ISBN: 0-9714848-2-1 ------ Slought Foundation Online: http://slought.org/ http://slought.org/toc/about/ http://slought.org/content/menu1,0 http://slought.org/toc/membership/ Slought Foundation 4017 Walnut Street Philadelphia, PA 19104-3513 215.222.9050 http://slought.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:38:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Beggar's Petition Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "...why are you writing rare words?" your psychic rights are dusted with gold so you are not going to die soon, as you used to think, R.H. Raven Toes, for your dream of the stairs, remember? under the stairs is a line of fire {black ink on the moon} so the names of the King are naked there, affording a wide field for dungeons, but Virginia's sister has nerves made of Christmas trees she's an oncoming locomotive from the waist up a mermaid from the waist down she lives in Potter's Field {the terrors of Capitalism: several secondary Liliths are homeless} _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:36:50 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush Orders Reprisals Against Afghan Children As War Escalates: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Bush Orders Reprisals Against Afghan Children As War Escalates: Six Afghan Children Killed in U.S. Attack: Second Case of Civilian Deaths in Less Than a Week: Cheney Opens Chain Of Funeral Parlors To Be Called Either Caskets Are Us Or D.O.A. Schwarz by Katherine Gram The Assassinated Press & Boston, New Hampshire Announce Drug-Buying Plans: City, State Will Purchase Prescription Drugs From Canada: Bush: States Should Not Put Health Of Citizens Ahead Of Special Interests, Promises Death Penalty Bill For Violators by Karen Wright Testical The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:43:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: the frustrated reader MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the frustrated reader why don't you tell me what to think? i can't understand what you are trying to tell me? this doesn't make any sense to me. are you threatening my income? can't we just agree that i'm smart b/c i understand you? otherwise... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:58:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: New in the Possum Pouch / Bookslut Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Kent Johnson and I recently traveled to Ft. Atkinson, WI, and Black Hawk Island where we visited Lorine Niedecker's cabin on the Rock River. Read all about it at: http://www.skankypossum.com/pouch Also please see my Bookslut.com column. This month I feature the work of John Latta and Peter Gizzi at http://www.bookslut.com/marsupial_inquirer/2003_12_001169.php in the Marsupial Inquirer. Dale -- Dale Smith 2925 Higgins Street Austin, Texas 78722 www.skankypossum.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:25:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: please review | Welcome Message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all, below is the welcome message that outlines basic how-to information about the listserv (for example how to change your subscription options). 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Available through SPD or directly from Blue Press $5.00 postpaid Blue Press 386 Madeline Court Palo Alto CA 94306 The moment should be calm Not hyperventilating. Suspended Above lightning's garden of singing children (from Scarecrow) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:36:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Scharf, Michael (RBI-US)" Subject: Goldman/de la Torre in NYC Sat. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Segue Reading Series at the Bowery Poetry Club presents =20 Judith Goldman & =20 M=F3nica de la Torre Saturday, December 13th 4pm $5 2 for 1 drinks coffee, sandwiches, sweets Judith Goldman is the author of Vocoder (Roof Books 2001); work has = recently appeared in Enough and How2. She recently relocated to the Bay Area, = where she teaches (as an adjunct) at Berkeley and is at work on her = dissertation. She also serves on the editorial board of Krupskaya.=20 M=F3nica de la Torre is a poet and translator. She edited and = translated a volume of selected poems by Gerardo Deniz published by Lost Roads. With artist Terence Gower she is co-author of the artist's book Appendices, Illustrations & Notes. Her writing about art, poems, and translations = has appeared or is forthcoming in journals such as Art on Paper, BOMB, = Boston Review, Cabinet, Fence, Chain, Pierogi Press, Review: Latin American Literature and Arts, Ten Verses and The Germ. With Michael Wiegers she edited Reversible Monuments: Contemporary Mexican Poetry, published by Copper Canyon Press. She is the poetry editor of The Brooklyn Rail.=20 -------------------------- The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery=20 (between Houston & Bleecker) F train to Second Ave, or 6 train to Bleecker 212.614.0505=20 http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ --------------------------- Segue Foundation http://www.segue.org/ --------------------------- =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:15:38 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mickey o'connor Subject: poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed il faut s'amuser, non ? i don't know why i used it al ginsberg says different what's his face says ancient birch trees form letters white paper white assertions no perpendiculars in nature a priori modes more than erstwhile rage ? content to stream beyond my hand the milky way ? summon the muses i don't know i buy the whole theory frankly one is always addressing somebody it is you i address not her or her or her it is you i shall address her then zing gimmee i need a name is all no nothing without a name i don't desire refurbishment rearrangement of anyone's basement doormat intact it is flower's heavy sway how the fuck no rage predominate o.k. only confusion ? clarity you said i heard you opened a door i there's something wrong with you funny odd strange horror is old i saw black shroud last night & shiver goes & sees things lucid i said " confusion " you said " hell's bells mixes help alone " my love was so true you want me for what something ? i imagine any hell i'm due involvement knows candor when i don't know a p.o. box # from chairman mao's long march some hole here all this & want one night i lay here in the sky & saw some maybes & what was there before i quit ? maybe confusion all said maybe not there's another goddamn letter or more nights somewhere hesitation pills arrive in pictures loss needs oxygen to free its' molecular anyway how is it that it occurs on this place outside & between bodies ? how devoted withheld glory fuck these words stuck to the ground & reinforce tremulous cloud parades terminal shuffle ? long gone empty air aspires to a mistake it always returns before indispensible logic tells logistics brain " digit replacement equals love in a two tiered metropolis " i saw her eye glow din of an aeroplane brought nothing no rhythm no poems no nothing not a goddamn thing how disgust poetry thievery no escape from sight buddhism wrong-way street joy ride cogitate undulate i don't exist maybe write longer lines is all undone ? world seen heard felt ill retrieved no bound at disaster's marvel nearly instantaneous language accuracy spilt arrows on going on alongside actual death of blather ? telegraphic corporeal parameters measured in moans & sighs exclamatory remarks incendiary pavement she said everything broken this life a space where a door opens & closes why not make a list of any woman's carnation ? sky azure vast awhile waves & just like that the fucking enemy shows up _________________________________________________________________ Don’t worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:39:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nate Dorward Subject: Mac Cormack / Huisken, Jan 18th Comments: To: lexiconjury@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A preliminary announcement for a reading I'm putting on: KAREN MAC CORMACK (reading from _Implexures_) & JESSE HUISKEN 3 p.m., January 18th New Works Studio, 319 Spadina, 2nd floor Toronto, Ontario There will be a fuller announcement closer to the date, but meanwhile mark it down in your calendars, & I hope to see you there in the new year. all best --N Nate Dorward 109 Hounslow Ave, Willowdale, ON, M2N 2B1, Canada ndorward@sprint.ca // www.geocities.com/ndorward/ Recent publications from The Gig: Trevor Joyce's TAKE OVER and UNDONE, SAY REMOVED FOR FURTHER STUDY: THE POETRY OF TOM RAWORTH and Maggie O'Sullivan's PALACE OF REPTILES ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 23:53:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: This series of worlds and valuable.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This series of worlds and valuable.txt Greater Bundahishn [introduction] 1 149 1 this series. 1 410 1 and valuable text. -JHP 1 773 1 -------------------------------------------------- 1 800 1 ZAND-AKASIH 1 882 1 IRANIAN OR GREATER BUNDAHISHN 1 897 1 TRANSLITERATION AND TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH 1 930 1 by 1 976 1 BEHRAMGORE TEHMURAS ANKLESARIA, M. A. 1 982 1 -------------------------------------------------- 1 1232 1 BOMBAY 1 1312 1 1956. 1 1394 1 Contents 1 1407 1 * Preface <#preface> 1 1425 1 * Introduction <#pi1> 1 1500 1 o The Lacunae in K_20 <#i4> 1 1633 1 o Postscript <#postscript> 1 1835 1 1 1897 1 2 2597 1 2 2849 1 2 3459 1 2 3625 1 2 3777 1 2 3891 1 3 4197 1 3 4361 1 (a catalogue of demons) 3 4467 1 3 4576 1 3 4676 1 3 4780 1 3 5035 1 3 5146 1 3 5416 1 -------------------------------------------------- 3 5467 1 [p1] 3 5545 1 PREFACE 3 5555 1 and literature. 4 6016 1 variants of DH.) [p2] 4 7301 1 of fire. 6 10395 1 /Greater Bundahishn/. 8 14709 1 and corrupt. 9 16519 1 published soon. 9 17790 1 Spirit (Gannak Menok) 10 18424 1 3. The Kayan dominion. 10 18497 1 quote from." 10 19733 1 (India.) 12 23856 1 ones. 13 24860 1 knowledge contained therein. 13 25771 1 "Gulistan," 14 26556 1 Dadar, Bombay 14. 14 26585 1 Dastur Framroze Ardeshir Bode 14 26629 1 -------------------------------------------------- 14 26689 1 [p12] 14 26767 1 A BRIEF LIFE-SKETCH OF THE AUTHOR 14 26778 1 and won J.N. Petit Scholarship. 14 27167 1 Yashts with colations in 1925. 15 28836 1 various Calendar Reform Committees. 15 29088 1 Theosophy. 15 29923 1 words taken into Sanskrit." 16 30281 1 papers at its meetings. 16 30737 1 Zoroastrian Religion. 16 30979 1 on the Bansda Navjotes. 16 31703 1 Zoroastrian Religion. 17 32147 1 including Freemasonry. 17 32596 1 Varhran./ 17 33711 1 published. 17 33870 1 this short life-sketch. 18 34992 1 10th October 1956 19 36127 1 Dastur Framroze Ardeshir Bode 19 36162 1 -------------------------------------------------- 19 36222 1 [i1] 19 36300 1 INTRODUCTION 19 36310 1 Introduction. *NOTES:* 19 36828 1 -------------------------------------------------- 19 37893 1 DESCRIPTION OF THE MSS. 19 37971 1 DH, and TD_2 . 20 38079 1 TD_1 20 38099 1 1113 after the Emperor Yazdegird." 21 40214 1 intact. 21 41577 1 DH 21 41641 1 ^6 22 42304 1 [i4] 22 42518 1 Yazdegird. 22 42708 1 7. Dae or Din? 22 42727 1 [i5] 22 43893 1 paths': 22 43972 1 Vishtasp'." 23 44263 1 Archangels! 23 45641 1 "Piety is excellent wealth." 23 45703 1 Folios 242-249 are missing. 23 45740 1 23 45977 1 24 46265 1 24 46510 1 TD_2 24 46799 1 /Bundahishn/:- 24 47524 1 Vizan." 24 47905 1 Farkho-Burzin in the same year. 25 49808 1 I, l. 18. 26 50272 1 Col. II, l. 23. 26 50359 1 19. Son of Aturbad Mahraspandan? 26 50378 1 follows:- 26 51056 1 Garothman of eternal happiness. 26 51781 1 the earth! 27 52379 1 the will of God!" 27 52818 1 -------------------------------------------------- 28 54020 1 880-900 A.Y. 28 54519 1 K_43 28 54537 1 of 18 lines which states: 28 55047 1 the spiritual existence." 29 56076 1 desideratum. 29 56965 1 -------------------------------------------------- 29 56981 1 and translator of the text. 30 59033 1 have not seen the MS. 31 60469 1 -------------------------------------------------- 32 62048 1 CONTENTS OF THE GREAT BUNDAHISHN 32 62199 1 action. 32 62958 1 Shatrihar of immortal soul. 32 63392 1 multitude. 32 63851 1 under three heads: 33 65772 1 3. the Kayan dominion. 33 65914 1 with the first head. 34 67011 1 I. 34 67035 1 II. 36 71548 1 17a, l. 10, w. 6. 36 71690 1 IV. 36 71839 1 fol. 25a, l. 2. 36 71915 1 V. 37 72154 1 l. 7, w. 1. 37 72636 1 VI. 37 72662 1 w. 2. 37 72995 1 w. 6. 37 73084 1 36a, l. 12. 37 73250 1 w. 2. 37 73424 1 w. 2. 37 73514 1 37b, l. 4, w. 5. 37 73603 1 l. 11. 37 73703 1 VII. 37 73724 1 VIII. 37 73832 1 IX. 37 73938 1 X. 38 74045 1 fol. 44a, l. 9. 38 74119 1 45a, l. 10, w. 1. 38 74218 1 fol. 46b, l. 11. 38 74317 1 XII. 38 74597 1 48b, l. 7. 38 74674 1 XIV. 38 74803 1 l. 14, w. 2. 38 74882 1 XV. 38 75207 1 XVI. 38 75512 1 62a, l. 3, w. 1. 38 75692 1 XVII. 38 75723 1 [i19] 39 76053 1 XVIII. 39 76062 1 66a, l. 11. w. 5. 39 76142 1 l. 11, w. 4. 39 76245 1 XX. 39 76525 1 l. 1, w. 5. 39 77072 1 XXI. 39 77162 1 * D. A note of three lines. 39 77408 1 XXII. 39 77568 1 XXIII. 39 77682 1 XXIV. 39 77796 1 3 - fol. 80b, l. 11. 39 77942 1 counter-opposition to the Lizard. 40 78106 1 * E. The bull Hadhayash. 40 78273 1 * G. The Karshipt. [i20] 40 78340 1 Zor-barak Vohuman, the bird Vasho-kachak." 40 78440 1 pecially the crow. 40 78636 1 * K. The bird Kaskin. 40 78698 1 the wild goat, the onager. 40 78802 1 * N. The fox. 40 78864 1 * P. The great musk. 40 78913 1 * R. The water-beaver. 40 78974 1 * T. The Arab horse. 40 79031 1 XXV. 40 79086 1 XXVI. 40 79170 1 XXVII. 40 79290 1 XXVIII. 40 79403 1 XXIX. 40 79521 1 XXX. 40 79632 1 XXXI. 40 79760 1 XXXII. 40 79904 1 - 107b, l. 3, w. 4. 40 79986 1 XXXIV. 41 80155 1 XXXV. 41 80282 1 121a, l. 6, w. 1. 41 80479 1 XXXVI. 41 80511 1 Colophon. 41 80652 1 THE LACUNAE IN K_20 41 80674 1 lines and 2 words. 42 83046 1 the commencement of Ch. V. 42 83255 1 the commencement of Ch. XIV. 42 83930 1 of Ch. XV. 43 84354 1 XXVIII. 43 85241 1 comprising Chs. XXX-XXXIII. 43 85322 1 -------------------------------------------------- 43 85581 1 *NOTES:* 43 85702 1 1st Lacuna. 44 86199 1 ^30 2nd Lacuna. 44 86262 1 ^31 3rd Lacuna. 44 86665 1 missing In K_20 . 44 86806 1 [i24] 44 87048 1 4th Lacuna. 44 87059 1 5th Lacuna. 44 87086 1 sipahpat/' with which, lacuna 6 commences. 44 87239 1 6th Lacuna. 44 87287 1 day. 44 87635 1 7th Lacuna. 44 87645 1 8th Lacuna. 44 87823 1 9th Lacuna. 44 87884 1 10th Lacuna. 44 87960 1 11th Lacuna. 45 88048 1 hamestarih/' occurring therein. 45 88274 1 12th Lacuna. 45 88311 1 13th Lacuna. 45 88390 1 14th Lacuna. 45 88623 1 four lines of Ch. XI.)^39 45 88720 1 15th Lacuna. 45 88879 1 16th Lacuna. 45 88950 1 17th Lacuna. 45 89030 1 18th Lacuna. 45 89116 1 19th Lacuna. 45 89192 1 20th Lacuna. 45 89255 1 21st Lacuna. 45 89340 1 23rd Lacuna. 45 89422 1 Darwin. 46 90710 1 24th Lacuna. 46 90723 1 22nd and 25th Lacuna. 46 90824 1 26th Lacuna. 46 91046 1 27th Lacuna. 46 91126 1 28th Lacuna. 46 91227 1 29th Lacuna. 46 91314 1 XXXIV-XXXVI. 47 92774 1 -------------------------------------------------- 47 92790 1 *NOTES:* 47 93887 1 46. My father's Iranian /Bundahishn./ 48 94000 1 are without their headings. 48 94395 1 32-39. 48 95826 1 copy. 49 96272 1 54. p. xxviii. 50 98662 1 237, l. 15 sq. 50 99835 1 Facsimile p. 158, l. 9 sq. 51 100614 1 p. xxxviii. 51 101833 1 -------------------------------------------------- 52 102508 1 /Bombay, 19th October, 1908./ 52 103771 1 B. T. ANKLESARIA. 52 103804 1 -------------------------------------------------- 52 103831 1 POSTSCRIPT. 52 103909 1 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:46:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: a piece with the word god in it Comments: cc: screenburn screenburn , 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, spiral bridge , cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/numberOne/ oh hell i don't know what it is... be sure to explore it with your mouse though... flash 6 & html bliss l associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:23:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_Gl=FCck?= From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Bob's Book Launch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friends, Here are some events: BOOK LAUNCH FOR ROBERT GLUCK'S DENNY SMITH MODERN TIMES BOOKSTORE, 888 VALENCIA =97 2:00 PM SUNDAY DECEMBER 14th FREE READING: ROBERT GL=DCCK Denny Smith is a new collection from the author of Margery Kempe, Jack the Modernist, Elements of a Coffee Service, and Reader. These stories will generously reward language lovers, lovers of wonderfully observed fiction, and those who simply delight in watching subtleties of sensibility analyzed with concision and wit. To read them is to see, up close and in color, what much of our contemporary world is, in its failings, in its pleasures, in its pathos and sexual richness. =97Samuel R. Delany And: A BOOK LAUNCH in OAKLAND for THE CLEAR CUT FUTURE: AN ANTHOLOGY 21 GRAND, 449B 23rd STREET =97 7:30 PM FRIDAY DECEMBER 12th $3 LIVE MUSIC: THE ELDERS OF ZION (laptop dub by Joel Schalit) READING: ROBERT GL=DCCK (poet, fiction writer) PRAVIN JAIN (ex-VP of Enron International) PROJECTED IMAGES: ARI MARCOPOULOS And: A BOOK LAUNCH in SAN FRANCISCO for THE CLEAR CUT FUTURE: AN ANTHOLOGY THE MAKE OUT ROOM, 3225 22nd STREET =97 7:00 PM SATURDAY DECEMBER 13th = $3 LIVE MUSIC: THE ELDERS OF ZION (laptop dub by Joel Schalit) READING: ROBERT GL=DCCK (poet, fiction writer) PRAVIN JAIN (ex-VP of Enron International) PROJECTED IMAGES: ARI MARCOPOULOS ABOUT CLEAR CUT PRESS AND OUR BOOKS Greetings from Clear Cut Press, in Astoria, Ore. We publish eight original books a year in affordable, softbound, pocket-sized editions. Our authors include Charles D'Ambrosio, Stacey Levine, Robert Gl=FCck, Emily White, Lisa Robertson, Matt Briggs, Diana George, Bruce Benderson, and many others. Clear Cut Press books are available at our web site, www.clearcutpress.com, through bookstores, or by subscription. The Clear Cut Future is an anthology that maps the territory of interest to Clear Cut Press, more or less. It includes fiction, memoir, poetry, polemical essays, lyrical research, archival texts, photography, painting, and other arts. Among the contributors are Stacey Levine, Charles D'Ambrosio, Steve Weiner, Emily White, Rebecca Brown, Robert Gl=FCck, Tiffany Lee Brown, Jordana Rosenberg, Pravin Jain (a former Enron executive), Casey Sanchez (a fish slimer), Wouter Vanstiphout (winner of Rotterdam=92s 2002 Masskant Prize for young architects), photographers Robert Adams and Ari Marcopoulos, painter Mike Brophy, many widely published authors, and others whom you'll know well in the future. Matt Briggs provides a specially commissioned index. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:56:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Dec.13- Gary Sullivan & Sofia Memon at La Tazza In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable did someone already post this? i=B9m behind.... =20 ------ Forwarded Message From: "Frank Sherlock" Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:27:11 +0000 To: latazzaseries@hotmail.com Subject: Dec.13- Gary Sullivan & Sofia Memon at La Tazza December 13=20 1797- Lyric poet & rebel Heinrich Heine born, Dusseldorf, Germany 1852- Owenite utopianist & scandal maker Frances Wright dies 1911- American poet & steelworker Kenneth Patchen born, Niles, Ohio =20 Saturday December 13, 2003 Gary Sullivan & Sofia Memon La Tazza 108=20 108 Chestnut St. Philly 7pm cocktail hour=20 Readings at 8pm sharp Gary Sullivan is a poet and cartoonist who lives in Brooklyn with the poet Nada Gordon, with whom he often collaborates. He is the author of How to Proceed in the Arts (Faux Press) and SWOON w/ Nada Gordon (Granary Books). Sofia Memon is a poet and welfare rights lawyer who lives and works in Philadelphia. She's read at The Khyber, the Asian Arts Initiative, and the Kelly Writers House. Upcoming Readings:=20 January 24- CA Conrad presents Brenda Coultas & Charlie O=92Hay February 7- kari edwards & Ron Silliman Reading Report:=20 Kyle Conner hosted the MoveOn.org benefit reading. He introduced Joe Massey first, who loosened up with some of Leslie & Tammy=B9s adult beverages pre-reading. Massey=B9s subtleties were poems lodged under a wave, surfacing with gradual revelation. He defended the short poem as a practice& called me on a past =B3no more rhodedendrons=B2 rant. Corina Copp read from her new chapbook SOMETIMES INSPIRED BY MARGUERRITE (Open 24 Hours Press). Her poems were sharp takes on the blur, & her direct reading style kept everyone on board. Her poems are lesson plans on how to go to bed still human. The crowd stayed late, where there were wandering hands, threats of auto-defenestration, dancing & threats of dancing in the basement. We retired back to a happening Dirty Frank=B9s, then 260 for a nightcap. Sunday afternoon, Corina went to see her reflection in Duchamp=B9s urinal at the PMA= , while Joe did the same on a Greyhound back to Delaware. check out: http://www.phillysound.blogspot.org http://www.phillyimc.org See you Saturday. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:45:59 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: New poems about places contest guidelines MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just wanted to remind everybody that the deadline for the poems about places contest is midnight on Saturday December 13th. On the fourteenth, the voting tallies will begin. Evrybody who entered the contest can vote for one OTHER poet's poem, and will hopefully provide criteria for their choice. I'm still rather puzzled as to how and who to choose as there were so many good poems! Each entrant will get one vote. Voting tallies will finish by midnight on December 15, and the winner will be named on the 16th. Non-entrants can also vote I have decided, but their vote only counts for half a vote. You still have several days to enter so that you can have a full vote. You can vote either front channel or back channel. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:16:33 -0500 Reply-To: ndorward@sprint.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Gig publications MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Nate, When you have a moment, could you send me ordering information on the Trevor Joyce chapbooks you recently published, along with subscription information for The Gig? I've been getting the journal in piecemeal fashio= n as it pops up around San Francisco, but if it's possible to subscribe I'd like to do so=2E Thanks, Taylor Brady -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:25:00 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [soa] !*"An Ex-Black Panther Remembers" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/19304.php !*"An Ex-Black Panther Remembers" by Sis. JoNina M. Abron Below is an article written by Sis. JoNina Abron which was published in the Dec. 3, 1994, issue of the Chicago Defender, commemorating the 25th anniversary of the assassinations of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark. The sista who was interviewed for the article, Tondalela Woolfolk, died last December. She was 46. Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were murdered by Chicago police on December 4, 1969. !*"An Ex-Black Panther Remembers" by Sis. JoNina M. Abron Submitted by: Sis. JoNina Abron (jonina1.1@ yahoo.com) ==================================== An ex-Black Panther remembers By Sis. JoNina M. Abron, in Chicago Defender, 3 December 1994 Below is an article written by Sis. JoNina Abron which was published in the Dec. 3, 1994, issue of the Chicago Defender, commemorating the 25th anniversary of the assassinations of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark. The sista who was interviewed for the article, Tondalela Woolfolk, died last December. She was 46. Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were murdered by Chicago police on December 4, 1969. ________________________________________________________________________ On the morning of Dec. 4, 1969, Tondalela Woolfolk and her fellow Black Panther Party members here awoke to learn that their leader, Fred Hampton, and Mark Clark, a party organizer from Peoria, had been shot to death by police in a pre-dawn raid. For Woolfolk, then 19, the death of the charismatic Hampton meant "the loss of the organization that I had devoted my life to...which meant that a great part of my life was gone." Woolfolk, the second of eight children, grew up on the West Side. As a teenager, she was active in an Upward Bound study group where she first heard about the Black Power movement that was spreading among militant young Blacks during the mid-1960s. She was also active in the Ecumenical Institute, which ran anti-poverty programs on the West Side. Afer participating in a program for inner-city high school students at Yale University, Woolfolk joined the BPP in early 1969 in New York City's Harlem. After 21 Black Panthers were charged with conspiring to blow up several buildings in New York City in April, 1969, police repression of the BPP escalated. Woolfolk decided to return home. "I knew everybody [in the Chicago BPP] because these were people from my community. I went to Providence High School [with several Panthers]...I knew who I could trust, who I would be (protected) under fire with. I also knew the area better, the physical layout," she said in an interview. Hampton maintained tight discipline among his charges, said Woolfolk, who is now 44 and an affirmative action compliance officer for the U.S. Department of Labor in Grand Rapids, Mich. "Fred would call you up at 3:00 and 4:00 in the morning and ask you to recite the [BPP] 10-point platform and program [and] if you didn't know it, you would be disciplined. "He was always looking for this alertness. You had to be where you were supposed to be at a certain time doing what you were supposed to be doing," Woolfolk said. The Free Breakfast Program and the Free Health Clinic were two of the BPP'smost successful programs here, Woolfolk recalled. "...[Fred's] emphasis was on building a movement that would tear the [political] structure down and put in another more humane, more equitable structure. His emphasis was on program-building. That's why the programs were so strong and lasted so long even after he died," she says. Hampton organized a coalition of Black, white and Hispanic youth gangs in the area, which Woolfolk described as the "original" rainbow coalition. "They were beginning to deal with political education. I remember the meeting where everybody announced their solidarity with each other at the People's Church," Woolfolk said. The popularity of the BPP community "survival programs" and Hampton's organization of the gangs brought greater visibility to the Chicago Panthers. It also increased the FBI's scrutiny of the group. According to FBI records, on Nov. 18, 1969, about two weeks before Hampton was killed, his name was added to the bureau's "Rabble Rouser Index," a list of people whom the FBI said "demonstrated a potential for fomenting racial discord." By this time, Hampton's life had been threatened and he was convinced that "any minute he was going to be offed," Woolfolk said. She said Hampton believed there were "agent provocateurs and infiltrators" in the party. Shortly before he was killed, Hampton expelled the entire membership of the Illinois BPP Chapter, Woolfolk said. "Fred called a meeting and said everybody was purged until further notice. I kind of felt like it was the beginning of the end. It felt awful," Woolfolk said. After the police raid, Woolfolk went to the apartment at 2337 Monroe Street, where Hampton and Clark were killed. "The blood was what really got me," Woolfolk said. "The mattresses [where Hampton had slept] were soaked in blood." To convince the public that Hampton had been assassinated, Black Panthers led hundreds of people on tours of the apartment [for] several days after the raid. "There were bullet holes everywhere," Woolfolk said. "You could see how the cops [had been] up against the wall and how they had to know where everybody was because the bullets were no more than six inches above the cots. They were shooting at people who were prone," Woolfolk said. Chicago police had been "whipped up into this frenzy of fear about the Panthers," she said. "It was well known that Panthers were not afraid of 'pigs' [Panther term for police]. If you laid your hands on us, we would defend ourselves." To Woolfolk, Hampton was "a peace-loving, caring individual. I was horrified at the violence that was done [to him]. The way [police] paraded his body afterwards, like he was some kind of prize kill or something. "It showed their savagery. They had been hunting for this Panther or that Panther, or this lion, something that they were afraid of and they had killed it," Woolfolk said. Like many other Chicago Black Panthers, Woolfolk left the party soon after Hampton and Clark were killed. "Until then, it never occurred to me the lengths that people would go to remain in power," Woolfolk said. "They will try to take you off this planet. They took Fred Hampton's body off this planet. His spirit and my memory of him will never fade away." The Panthers said their breakfast programs, health clinics and other "survival" programs were created to bring a measure of relief to the lives of poor blacks until they would do better. In the 25 years since Fred Hampton and Mark Clark were killed, the quality of life for African-Americans has deteriorated, Woolfolk said. "Either we get a second life and get up and walk, or we die on the table," she said. "What we should be involved in is setting up survival programs on a local, grassroots level following the [BPP] 10-point platform and program. "Those of us who have the knowledge to identify resources should make oursevles available to people in the community." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- END OF QUOTED ARTICLE--copyright 1994 by the Chicago Defender -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:06:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Gottlieb Subject: Book Party for Michael Gottlieb's LOST AND FOUND, in Connecticut In-Reply-To: <200312110503.hBB53iG7003989@mta1.snet.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable If you are in the area, please join us for a book party for LOST AND FOUND by Michael Gottlieb, published by Roof Books Saturday, December 13, 4:00 =AD 6:00 PM at Morgan Lehman Gallery. 24 Sharon Road/Route 41, Lakeville, CT Directions: Morgan Lehman Gallery is located in the center of Lakeville, o= n Route 41, just south of the intersection of Route 44 and Route 41. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG printable pledge form MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Pledge Form Fall 2003-Spring 2004 To become a POG Patron or Sponsor, please print and mail this form, along with your check made out to POG, to: POG, 5029 N Post Trail, Tucson, AZ 85750. 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YES / NO POG: mailto:pog@gopog.org http://www.gopog.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:13:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tenney Nathanson Subject: POG has presented . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit POG has presented: Jim Waid Bob Perelman Tom Mandel Steve McCaffery Karen MacCormack David Bromige Cynthia Miller Roberto Tejada Leslie Scalapino Brenda Hillman Victor Masayesva Sheila Murphy Robert Hogg Mei-Mei Berssenbrugge Larry Solomon Charles Alexander Tom Raworth Rae Armantrout A.C. Huerta Clayton Eshleman Alex Garza Jerry Rothenberg Lisa Cooper Lydia Davis Michael Davidson Ned Schaper Dodie Bellamy Kevin Killian Tony Lopez Nancy Solomon Sephen Scobie Douglas Barber Barbara Penn Eli Goldblatt Helen Mirra Jack Foley Adele Foley Norman Fischer Maurice Grossman Erica Hunt Jen Bervin Juan Felipe Herrera Peter Ganick David Shapiro Rodrigo Toscano Hung Q. Tu Dan Featherston Danny Lopez Ge Oidag Village (Big Fields) Traditional Dancers Maggie Jaffe Bernadette Mayer Barbara Cully Juliana Spahr Bill Luoma giovanni singleton Deborah Bernhardt Gil Ott Julia Blumenreich Lyn Hejinian Anne Bunker Jessica Lowenthal David Chorlton Gwen Ray Sharon Wahl Sam Ace Cole Swensen Donald Eno Washington Diane Glancy Ted Pope Jackson Mac Low Hank Lazer Joe Amato Jay Vosk Nora Marks Dauenhauer Myung Mi Kim Jesse Seldess David Buckley Mary Rising Higgins Michael Cherney Sheila Pitt Jon Anderson Peter Gizzi Ann Tracy-Lopez David Matlin Chris Morrey Joanne Kyger Ben Hollander Gwyneth Scally Heather Nagami Tim Peterson Ron Silliman Lisa Jarnot Martin Corless-Smith Tenney Nathanson Timothy Liu Stacy Doris Robert Creeley Rachel DuPlessis Frances Sjoberg Will Alexander Jim Waid Fanny Howe Anselm Hollo Michael Cajero Mark Salerno Keith Wilson Karen Mac Cormack Jim Paul Jennifer Moxley Barbara Grygutis Steve Evans . . . to receive email announcements of pog events please email us at mailto:pog@gopog.org visit us on the web at www.gopog.org or contact us at 615-7803 5029 N Post Trail, Tucson AZ 85750 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:26:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dactyl Foundation Subject: Raphel Rubinstein at The Dactyl Foundation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tuesday, December 16th 6 - 8 p.m. Celebrate the release of Polychrome Profusion: Selected Art Criticism 1990-2002 by Raphael Rubinstein wine & hors d'oeuvres will be served Dactyl Foundation 64 Grand Street (West Broadway & Wooster) SoHo, NYC 212-219-2344 www.dactyl.org Subway: Canal Street ACE lines Admission free 36 definitive essays by New York arts writer and poet, documenting the international contemporary art scene. Speaking strongly of an allegiance to sensual color and stylistic diversity, themes at the core of this collection are visual pleasure, formal complexity and the erotics of abstraction. Subjects include: Norman Bluhm, Shirley Jaffe and George Sugarman. Rubinstein looks at postwar European avant-gardes, long neglected and not understood by the art audience in America. And he turns our attention southward to contemporary Latin American as well. Rubinstein's writings have helped position the work of such artists as David Reed, Jessica Stockholder, Fabian Marcaccio, Jonathan Lasker and Karin Davie. He also draws the reader's attention to the strong tradition of poet-painter collaboration. Rubinstein's writing has appeared in Art in America, Flash Art, Arts Magazine, ArtNews and Artforum and he has written major essays for exhibitions catalogues for museums in America and Europe. He was the managing editor of Flash Art in Milan and is currently Senior Editor of Art in America. Polychrome Profusion is published by Hard Press www.hardpress.org Signed copies will be available. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:58:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: man, he is surrounded MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII man, he is surrounded of man, he is surrounded and by demons he is quelled of man, he is drowned and submerged, of archons and demons archaea of man, surrounded man, is submerged, and drowned and by demons and archons man, he is not a nice person, in fact he is not at all nice he will not try to be nice, it is not a nice person he is man, he insists you be nice, he is selfish you should be nice as your neighbor will be nice the sea will drown the man and the man will drown the sea by the demons man surrounds archaea of man these are very early bacteria we are thinking of, are they primitive no, they have always been advanced, they have always advanced _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:28 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jen hofer Subject: Carl Rakosi's 100th Birthday Celebration at Beyond Baroque Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Friends: I'm very happy to invite you to a Los Angeles celebration of the poet Carl Rakosi's 100th birthday. If you're not familiar with Carl's magnificent work and would like to be, look him up on the internet -- you'll find numerous examples of his writing, as well as interviews and short prose texts. I'm excited at the prospect of engaging Carl's poetic practice and philosophies in the company of other readers and writers, and would be delighted to see you at Beyond Baroque this weekend. Warmly, Jen * Beyond Baroque 681 Venice Boulevard (on the north side of the street, slightly east of the corner of Shell & Venice) Venice CA http://beyondbaroque.org 310.822.3006 12 December, Friday - 7:30 PM A CELEBRATION OF CARL RAKOSI'S WRITING ON THE OCCASION OF HIS 100TH BIRTHDAY With Carl Rakosi, Wanda Coleman, Tom Devaney, Patrick Durgin, Jen Hofer, Jerome Rothenberg, and Paul Vangelisti. Carl Rakosi, born in Hungary, moved to the U.S. in 1910. A key figure in a group of poets who came to prominence in the 30's, known as the Objectivists - including Charles Reznikoff, George Oppen, and Louis Zukofsky (who regarded Rakosi as the lyric poet in the group) and later Lorine Niedecker - Rakosi's poems first appeared in The Little Review, where Joyce, Eliot, Pound, and Hemingway were first published, and in Pound's The Exile. Wallace Stevens said about Rakosi's work: "What excites you most of all is real things. . .actual objects and people... In short you view the imagination as a foil, something for contrast." Rakosi has won many awards, including 5 NEA Awards and a PEN Literary Award and has published 15 books, most recently The Old Poet's Tale and The Earth Suite (Etruscan Press, available through Small Press Distribution); Poems 1923-1941 (Ed. Andrew Crozier, Sun & Moon Press), and The Collected Poems of Carl Rakosi (National Poetry Foundation). He lives in San Francisco, where he continues to write poetry and essays. 13 December, Saturday - 1:00 PM A CONVERSATION WITH CARL RAKOSI AND FRIENDS It's not often we have the chance to talk in person with a writer who has been alive - ardently, voraciously, attentively, keenly alive - for an entire century. Join poet Carl Rakosi along with Tom Devaney, Patrick Durgin, Jen Hofer, Jerome Rothenberg, and Mark Salerno for a conversation about a wide range of topics limited only by our imaginations. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:56:21 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Dana Gioia's Brit thoughts Comments: To: Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > BARRIER OF A COMMON LANGUAGE An American Looks at Contemporary British > Poetry > In Barrier of a Common Language, Dana Gioia addresses the current disconnect > between British and American poetry, the result of America's growing postwar > self-sufficiency in its intellectual concerns. Includes writings on Charles > Causley, Philip Larkin, Wendy Cope, Ted Hughes, Kingsley Amis, Tony Connor, > Dick Davis, Thom Gunn, Charles Tomlinson, and more. Full table of contents > on the site. Somewhat amused at Mr Gioia's choices to use in a discussion of postwar British poetry. It's not that I would make a blanket condemnation of the writers above but rather would point out that it is largely representative of certain strands in, er, British, I think he means English, culture and thus is somewhat weakened as a basis for discussing cultural disconnections as it is based on a somewhat neo-conservative, in literary terms, representation of 'Brit-glish' poetry. Of the writers above the nearest to a poetic 'radical' is the late Ted Hughes and that, by any true standard, is a radicalism that is more of temperament than aesthetic. If Gioia's list included J.H.Prynne, say, AND Wendy Cope; David Jones AND Larkin; Geoffrey Hill AND Tom Leonard AND John Cooper Clarke; Peter Reading AND John Wilkinson AND Denise Riley AND Rosemary Tonks there would, from such a range, and those are examples only, be the beginning of a frame of some scope of reference. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 15:22:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Dana Gioia's Brit thoughts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AND Roy Fisher. > > BARRIER OF A COMMON LANGUAGE An American Looks at Contemporary British > > Poetry > > In Barrier of a Common Language, Dana Gioia addresses the current > disconnect > > between British and American poetry, the result of America's growing > postwar > > self-sufficiency in its intellectual concerns. Includes writings on > Charles > > Causley, Philip Larkin, Wendy Cope, Ted Hughes, Kingsley Amis, Tony > Connor, > > Dick Davis, Thom Gunn, Charles Tomlinson, and more. Full table of contents > > on the site. > > Somewhat amused at Mr Gioia's choices to use in a discussion of postwar > British poetry. It's not that I would make a blanket condemnation of the > writers above but rather would point out that it is largely representative > of certain strands in, er, British, I think he means English, culture and > thus is somewhat weakened as a basis for discussing cultural disconnections > as it is based on a somewhat neo-conservative, in literary terms, > representation of 'Brit-glish' poetry. Of the writers above the nearest to a > poetic 'radical' is the late Ted Hughes and that, by any true standard, is a > radicalism that is more of temperament than aesthetic. > If Gioia's list included J.H.Prynne, say, AND Wendy Cope; David Jones AND > Larkin; Geoffrey Hill AND Tom Leonard AND John Cooper Clarke; Peter Reading > AND John Wilkinson AND Denise Riley AND Rosemary Tonks there would, from > such a range, and those are examples only, be the beginning of a frame of > some scope of reference. > > Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:17:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at the Poetry Project 12/15-12/17 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable You LIVE fer it...(we do)... The coming attractions: * MONDAY, DEC. 15, 8:00 Paolo Javier and Rebecca Reilly Paolo Javier is the author of The Time At The End Of This Writing (forthcoming from Ahadada Press). He is currently completing his MFA at Bar= d College and edits the online journal 2nd Avenue Poetry. He teaches in NYU=B9s Asian Pacific American Studies Program and lives in Queens. Rebecca Reilly is a PhD candidate at the CUNY Graduate Center and a Writing Fellow at Baruch College. She is also an associate editor of Four Way Books. WEDNESDAY, DEC. 17, 8:00 Christopher Stackhouse and Rebecca Wolff Christopher Stackhouse is a Brooklyn-based writer and visual artist. His drawings, poems, and related texts have appeared in Fence, Aufgabe, Hambone= , The Village Voice, Mosaic Literary, and others. He is one of the =B3authors=B2 of Seismosis, a limited edition chapbook of and about art-text dialogue which features drawings by Stackhouse, alongside contributions from John Keene, David Lantow, and Sara Parkel. Rebecca Wolff=B9s first book of poems, Manderley, was selected by Robert Pinsky for the National Poetry Series and published in 2001 by University of Illinois Press. Her second book, Figment= , won the Barnard Women Poets Prize and will be published in April 2004 by W.W. Norton & Co. She founded the literary journal Fence in 1997 and launched the imprint Fence Books in 2001. She is also the editor of The Constant Critic, a tri-weekly poetry review website. She lives in New York City with her husband and son. * Announcement: THIS SUNDAY, DEC. 14, 8:00 PM POETS HELPING POETS: A BENEFIT FOR TODD COLBY, ELIZABETH ZECHEL & MELISSA PIECHUCHI On November 19th, a fire in Greenpoint whipped through eleven houses, one o= f them being occupied by our friend and poet Todd Colby and his wife Elizabeth Zechel. Unfortunately, theirs was the house nearest the heart of the fire and they lost everything. Todd Colby is a poet, lyricist, vocalist, actor and teacher. He has three collections of poetry: Riot in th= e Charm Factory, Ripsnort, and Crush, all published by Soft Skull Press. He was the lyrist and vocalist of the band Drunken Boat. He is the founding member of the performance group The Yogurt Boys. Elizabeth Zechel is a painter who uses abstractions and figures along with sewing techniques, to entice her canvases. Melissa Piechuchi is also a painter who lived upstair= s from Todd & Elizabeth. Join us at The BOWERY POETRY CLUB on DECEMBER 14th to help them to create a new place they can call home. BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery btw. Houston and Bleecker F/V to Second Ave, 6 to Bleecker St. (212) 614-0505 www.bowerypoetry.com * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. * ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:21:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Murphy Subject: LETTERS TO UNFINISHED J. - Sheila E. Murphy - GREEN INTEGER PRESS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Green Integer Press has just released Sheila E. Murphy's Letters to Unfinished J. Available from GREEN INTEGER. Order directly from the publisher: Douglas Messerli: lilycat@sbcglobal.net Winner of the Gertrude Stein Poetry Award, 2001 "Selected by Dennis Phillips for the 2001 Gertrude Stein Poetry Award, Letters to Unfinished J. is comprised of 66 "letters," composed from 1994-1996, in which poet Sheila Murphy further establishes herself as a major author of the prose poem. Her text is equally at home in depths and surfaces that conjoin as she excavates and questions at multiple levels. Unexpected images, perceptions, and word combinations emerge, resulting often in political and societal critiques. Each of the letters is tightly composed, highly concentrated, and fraught with motion." Green Integer 93 $10.95 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 20:41:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Now playing in 2,600 home theaters: Bush's lies about Iraq In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The whole Iraq deception is staggering. I remember feeling genuinely=20 frightened when I saw Colin Powell give his WMD dog-and-pony show to=20 the U.N. Now I feel like a sucker. And really pissed off. Brennen http://home.comcast.net/~blukas/hurt_blogger.html On Wednesday, December 10, 2003, at 07:26 AM, Kevin Hehir wrote: > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/12/09/uncovered/print.html > > Now playing in 2,600 home theaters: Bush's lies about Iraq > Director Robert Greenwald's "Uncovered" reveals the deceptions and > distortions used to sell the invasion. And from the limousine liberals=20= > at > Moby's bash in NYC to the regular folks in Billings, Mont., antiwar = and > anti-Bush audiences are eating it up. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > By Michelle Goldberg > > > > Dec. 9, 2003 | NEW YORK -- Early one morning in June, film director > Robert Greenwald settled into the study of his Los Angeles home with=20= > the > day's newspaper. Midway through an article was a seemingly innocuous=20= > quote > from a Bush administration official assuring the country that weapons=20= > of > mass destruction programs would be found in Iraq. > > Greenwald says he got a knot in his stomach. The administration wasn't > talking about finding actual weapons anymore. Now the rhetoric was=20 > about > weapons programs, which might mean little more than sheets of paper. = "I > had no faith or confidence that the media would catch them on their=20 > moving > of their goal," he says. "Suddenly, I could see the headline in a = month > where they're going to announce victory because they found programs. I > flashed back on all those news conferences where they said Iraq is a > danger and invoked Armageddon. > > "I felt I could do a service by nailing them on this complete change = in > why they went to war," Greenwald says. "Two or three days later I read > about this group of former CIA experts from different branches who = were > coming out against [the administration]. I thought, 'Wow, this is > interesting.' So I put the two instincts together." Thus the=20 > documentary > "Uncovered: The Whole Truth About the Iraq War" was born. Within a few > months, it was completed. > > Since then, "Uncovered" has emerged as a kind of liberal master=20 > narrative > about the run-up to Operation Iraqi Freedom. It's for sale on several > major progressive Web sites, including those of the Nation, Buzzflash, > John Podesta's Center for American Progress, and MoveOn.org (both=20 > MoveOn > and the Center for American Progress helped fund the film). So far,=20 > it's > sold more than 40,000 copies. Financier and Bush foe George Soros held=20= > a > screening of it in New York. Podesta, Bill Clinton's chief of staff, > showed it to an audience of 100 at the International Spy Museum in > Washington, and his center sent a copy to every member of Congress.=20 > When > Greenwald screened it at a 500-seat theater in L.A., people jammed the > aisles, stood in the back, and cheered when it was over. > > And on Sunday, people gathered in more than 2,600 American homes, = cafes > and community spaces to watch "Uncovered" at parties organized through=20= > the > progressive group MoveOn.org. As Greenwald points out, 2,600 screens=20= > is a > huge release for an hour-long documentary. Hollywood blockbusters, he > says, typically open on about 4,000. The showings were held across the > country, from a living room in Clearfield, Utah, to a luxury apartment=20= > in > a Donald Trump building on Central Park South, where pop star Moby and > money manager Boykin Curry hosted about 40 people. At 8:30 p.m. EST, > parties nationwide called in to a massive conference where Eli = Pariser, > speaking from Moby's party, interviewed Greenwald, who'd dialed in = from > Los Angeles. The questions were submitted by MoveOn members. > > There's nothing new in "Uncovered," but there's power in the=20 > accumulation > of expertise that Greenwald presents, which is one reason Bush's=20 > opponents > are embracing it. It consists largely of interviews with former=20 > American > intelligence agents, military officers and diplomats who eviscerate=20 > much > of the White House's case for war. Among them are Joseph Wilson, the > retired diplomat who investigated claims that Iraq was shopping for > uranium in Niger and found them baseless; Patrick Lang, former chief > Middle East analyst for the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency;=20 > Chas > Freeman, former ambassador to Saudi Arabia; CIA veteran Robert Baer;=20= > and > more than a dozen others. The film opens by introducing each of them=20= > and > telling how long each served the United States. The weight of all = their > experience gives their criticisms of the Bush administration a heft > missing from news reports that just quote one or two disgruntled=20 > veterans. > > The movie does more than just present the case against the hawks,=20 > though. > Greenwald wants to make sure that the administration's prewar claims=20= > don't > disappear down the memory hole now that most of them have proven=20 > false. To > this end, he compiles footage of Bush and Condoleezza Rice warning of > mushroom clouds and of Paul Wolfowitz telling Congress that Iraq can=20= > pay > for its own reconstruction. Lately, conservative pundits like Andrew > Sullivan have claimed that the administration never suggested that = Iraq > was an imminent threat. Greenwald offers an implicit rejoinder with a > montage that begins with Bush saying, "Delay, indecision and inaction > could lead to a massive and sudden horror." It then cuts to Rice, who > says, "It simply makes no sense to wait any longer." Then Rumsfeld:=20 > "Take > action, before it's too late." And Bush: "We will not wait." The=20 > sequence > ends with Vice President Dick Cheney saying, "As President Bush has=20 > said, > time is not on our side." > > "I believe it's irrefutable that we were lied to and information was > distorted in the effort to get us to go to war," says Greenwald. "I=20 > hope > the film is an element in communicating that. I hope it will reach=20 > people > who already feel that, people who are uncertain, and people who=20 > disagree > and will be able to look at the film and make an educated response to=20= > what > I think will go down as one of the great tragedies in the history of=20= > this > country." > > Because Sunday's screenings were hosted by MoveOn members, it's likely > that many viewers already agreed with Greenwald. Yet even at Moby's > Manhattan party, views were far from uniform about the justice and > justifications of the war. > > Boykin Curry, a 37-year-old friend of Moby's who lent his sprawling > apartment for the event, is strongly pro-war. "I support the war for > ultimately liberal reasons," he said. "To free 30 million Iraqis from > brutal repression and foster the only liberal democracy in the Middle > East." If that sounds like Paul Wolfowitz's position, Curry doesn't=20 > mind > -- in fact, he says he "loves" the deputy secretary of defense. > > Nor were some of his guests particularly political. The apartment, > decorated in earth tones and Asian details, was full of lovely women=20= > with > highlighted hair wearing pointy-toed boots and $150 jeans. Guests were > served pizza, warm fruit pie =E0 la mode and Veuve Clicquot champagne.=20= > Some > attendees had never even heard of MoveOn, but showed up because Curry=20= > had > invited them. Curry himself is dismissive of MoveOn's politics, and of > Howard Dean, the favorite candidate of MoveOn members. A Lieberman > supporter, he said if Dean gets the nomination, he'll vote for Bush. > > Yet Curry considers himself a staunch Democrat, and he's furious about=20= > the > way the Bush administration deceptively sold the war and then bungled=20= > the > occupation. "Like Joe Lieberman said, George Bush has given a noble=20 > war a > bad name," he said. In fact, Curry blames Bush for ruining the=20 > righteous > project that Wolfowitz worked for. > > "This isn't about being for the war or against the war," said Moby.=20 > "It's > about a president who lies." > > Moby got involved with MoveOn a month and a half ago, when he agreed = to > judge the group's "Bush in 30 Seconds" contest, a competition to = create > the best anti-Bush advertisement. He first saw "Uncovered" in the=20 > basement > of the Tribeca Grand Hotel on Nov. 6, at a screening that included=20 > Janeane > Garofalo, Nation editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and Joseph Wilson. Moby > called the film "powerful" and said that before seeing it, "I didn't > realize the extent of the deceit. Everyone in the administration knew > beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were no weapons of mass > destruction." > > It's not hard to see how "Uncovered" would leave viewers with that > impression. Again and again, Greenwald juxtaposes scare-mongering=20 > quotes > from the administration with expert debunking. First, he shows Bush > saying, "Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500=20 > tons > of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." That's followed by Peter=20 > Zimmerman, > former chief scientist for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee,=20 > saying: > "Any sarin that they were making in 1990, 1991, had a known shelf life=20= > of > about two months. Well, if you made it 12 years ago and it had a shelf > life of two months, it may not be safe to drink, but it isn't sarin=20 > nerve > gas any longer. And there's no way the agency could not have known=20 > that." > > After a clip of Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation at the > United Nations on Feb. 5, Ray McGovern, a 27-year veteran of the CIA=20= > who > founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to protest the > administration's distortions, says, "I would have to comment here on > Secretary of State Colin Powell's debut as an imagery analyst. It was > highly embarrassing for those of us who know something about the=20 > business. > We couldn't tell whether this was an honest mistake by those who now = do > the imagery analysis ... or whether perhaps Colin Powell was being set > up." > > Much of what these administration critics say has since proved = correct. > What's missing from Greenwald's film, though, is an acknowledgment = that > people in the Bush administration were not the only ones who believed=20= > that > Iraq had some kind of prohibited weapons. The sarin Saddam had in 1991 > might have broken down, but that doesn't settle the larger question of > whether Saddam continued to produce biological or chemical weapons=20 > after > the U.N. weapons inspectors left in 1998. Greenwald doesn't interview > anyone like Kenneth Pollack, former director for Gulf affairs at the > National Security Council, a liberal Iraq hawk who at least could have > explained why some well-meaning, seemingly well-informed people=20 > believed > that Iraq was a threat, if not an imminent one. The only journalist in=20= > the > film is the Nation's David Corn, who makes important points but who=20 > might > usefully have been balanced by pro-war writers like the New York = Times' > Thomas Friedman or the New Republic's Peter Beinart. > > "Uncovered's" weakness isn't that it has a point of view, but that it > hardly bothers to take on opposing ones. Frontline's October=20 > documentary, > "Truth, War and Consequences," is just as damning as Greenwald's -- = and > covers much of the same ground -- but it's even more persuasive,=20 > because > it allows players like Iraqi exile Ahmad Chalabi and Pentagon advisor > Richard Perle to make their cases, and arguably to hang themselves. It > also suggests the extent to which the administration may have deceived > itself even as it was deceiving the nation, a hypothesis missing from=20= > the > fairly black-and-white world of "Uncovered," in which the=20 > administration's > possible motives remain opaque. > > Still, even if "Uncovered" lacks nuance, it's largely accurate and > politically effective. Even Curry couldn't find much to disagree with=20= > in > the documentary, though he did think that it trivialized and distorted > Wolfowitz's vision. "I thought 85 percent of it was legit," he said. > > "This was a movie about Bush and his lies," said Curry. "Not about=20 > whether > this war was justified." > > Greenwald doesn't disagree. "I think it's legitimate to debate whether=20= > to > go to war on the neoconservative argument that we need to go in and = fix > the Middle East," he says. "It's illegitimate nonsense to talk about > weapons of mass destruction and terrorism." > > Not that the administration is talking about either anymore. On = Sunday, > White House chief of staff Andy Card appeared on CNN and declared that > questions about prewar intelligence are now "moot" given Saddam's > atrocious human rights record. > > And what about weapons of mass destruction? "We think there's evidence=20= > of > some programs that they had," Card said. > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 17:54:29 -0800 Reply-To: pdunagan@lycos.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: Re: Carl Rakosi's 100th Birthday Celebration at Beyond Baroque Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any chance that there will be recorings (audio or visual) made of these events, particularly the latter conversation, and plans in the works to publish the transcription? -- --------- Original Message --------- DATE: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:31:28 From: jen hofer To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: >Dear Friends: > >I'm very happy to invite you to a Los Angeles celebration of the poet Carl >Rakosi's 100th birthday. If you're not familiar with Carl's magnificent >work and would like to be, look him up on the internet -- you'll find >numerous examples of his writing, as well as interviews and short prose >texts. I'm excited at the prospect of engaging Carl's poetic practice and >philosophies in the company of other readers and writers, and would be >delighted to see you at Beyond Baroque this weekend. > >Warmly, > >Jen > >* > >Beyond Baroque >681 Venice Boulevard >(on the north side of the street, slightly east of the corner of Shell & >Venice) >Venice CA >http://beyondbaroque.org >310.822.3006 > >12 December, Friday - 7:30 PM >A CELEBRATION OF CARL RAKOSI'S WRITING ON THE OCCASION OF HIS 100TH BIRTHDAY >With Carl Rakosi, Wanda Coleman, Tom Devaney, Patrick Durgin, Jen Hofer, >Jerome Rothenberg, and Paul Vangelisti. Carl Rakosi, born in Hungary, moved >to the U.S. in 1910. A key figure in a group of poets who came to >prominence in the 30's, known as the Objectivists - including Charles >Reznikoff, George Oppen, and Louis Zukofsky (who regarded Rakosi as the >lyric poet in the group) and later Lorine Niedecker - Rakosi's poems first >appeared in The Little Review, where Joyce, Eliot, Pound, and Hemingway >were first published, and in Pound's The Exile. Wallace Stevens said about >Rakosi's work: "What excites you most of all is real things. . .actual >objects and people... In short you view the imagination as a foil, >something for contrast." Rakosi has won many awards, including 5 NEA Awards >and a PEN Literary Award and has published 15 books, most recently The Old >Poet's Tale and The Earth Suite (Etruscan Press, available through Small >Press Distribution); Poems 1923-1941 (Ed. Andrew Crozier, Sun & Moon >Press), and The Collected Poems of Carl Rakosi (National Poetry >Foundation). He lives in San Francisco, where he continues to write poetry >and essays. > >13 December, Saturday - 1:00 PM > >A CONVERSATION WITH CARL RAKOSI AND FRIENDS >It's not often we have the chance to talk in person with a writer who has >been alive - ardently, voraciously, attentively, keenly alive - for an >entire century. Join poet Carl Rakosi along with Tom Devaney, Patrick >Durgin, Jen Hofer, Jerome Rothenberg, and Mark Salerno for a conversation >about a wide range of topics limited only by our imaginations. > ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:28:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Cybermind/CONNECTED, or What It Means to Live in the Network Society (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:01:18 -0600 From: Stacy Zellmann To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: Cybermind/CONNECTED, or What It Means to Live in the Network Socie= ty One of our most exciting thinkers explores the look and feel of our cultura= l moment. CONNECTED, or What It Means to Live in the Network Society Steven Shaviro University of Minnesota Press | 240 pages | 2003 ISBN 0-8166-4362-8 | hardcover | $49.95 ISBN 0-8166-4363-6 | paperback | $17.95 Electronic Mediations Series, volume 9 Connected is made up of a series of mini-essays=8Bon cyberpunk, hip-hop, fi= lm noir, Web surfing, greed, electronic surveillance, pervasive multimedia, psychedelic drugs, artificial intelligence, and evolutionary psychology, among other topics. In this breathtaking work, Steven Shaviro investigates popular culture, new technologies, political change, and community disruption and concludes that science fiction and social reality have becom= e virtually indistinguishable. Shaviro argues that our strange new world is increasingly being transformed in ways, and by devices, that seem to come out of the pages of science fiction, even while the world itself is becoming a futuristic landscape. Th= e result is that science fiction provides the most useful social theory, the only form that manages to be as radical as reality itself. For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/shaviro_connected.html For more information about the Electronic Mediations Series, visit its webpage: http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/electronic.html Sign up to receive news on the latest releases from University of Minnesota Press: http://www.upress.umn.edu/eform.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:40:50 -0500 Reply-To: Fence/Fence Books Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fence/Fence Books Organization: Fence/Fence Books Subject: Fence/Fence Books Early Winter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain Title:Fence Books Early Winter Announcing the publication of /Sky Girl,/ by Rosemary Griggs, winner of the 2003 Alberta Prize. To read more about it on our redesigned site, click here. Take advantage of our "Any 3 Books for $25" offer and make somebody (possibly yourself) very happy. /Sky Girl/ Rosemary Griggs $12 0-9713189-8-0 "In her wonderful first collection of poems, many of which trace the post-9/11 experiences of a flight attendant named Kimberlie, Rosemary Griggs shows an astonishing ability to represent the subtleties of a mind in fear. In the poem 'DEN-EWR,' Kimberlie explains to a pilot that her fear of flying is comparable to that of wildebeests on the Discovery Channel who must cross a crocodile infested river 'knowing a few of them will be eaten but the majority of them will make it.' In another poem, she takes an unexpected comfort from the squareness of a patch of grass on which she has chosen to lie down. In its existential accuracy and glamour, /Sky Girl/ reminds me of Knut Hamsun's novel /Hunger,/ or the perilous emotional landscapes of Peter Handke's stories. Griggs's fictive detail, accuracy of idiom, and offbeat cadences lend themselves to the long line: 'It's that you keep saying you're tired makes me want to weep' or 'I said please tell me I won't be mad at you but I need to know as a girl to a girl please help me out here.' This is that rare book in which the sentences are as beautifully observed as life."*—Paul Hoover* /"Sky Girl/ is an answer, within an echo, to an earlier generation's /Coffee Tea or Me/ legacy. A fierce and savvy writer, Griggs is by turns whimsical and elegiac, and always very much of this moment."*—Brighde Mullins* "As tender as a fresh contrail overhead, as spare as a quiet moment along a river. Wry, sexy, introspective, sad, and all the while alert to her absurd perch on the first civilian line of defense against terror, here is a voice that brings sharply forward one uniform we may have taken for granted. 'Coffee, tea,' or, better, let the attendant as poet usher us into the attentive world of /Sky Girl./ With a fine use of found materials, striking images, deft turns on old stories, and sad songs, Rosemary Griggs, who is 'not sure you can have a secret and / also have love' has learned that 'when you're poor you have to be magical,' as many of these absolutely unpretentious and hard won poems prove to be."*—David Hamilton* -- To unsubscribe from: Fence/Fence Books, just follow this link: http://www.constantcritic.com/mojo/mojo.cgi?f=u&l=fence&e=poetics@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu&p=10876 Click this link, or copy and paste the address into your browser. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 00:11:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/portal/cal.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/portal/cal.mov composite of four images copyrighted from yosemite webcam why are these a terrific journey I WANT TO SHARE THEM WITH YOU i won't say i found you there on the slopes in western colorado or that i followed you to the basin ridge of niagara falls or that you were just ahead of me in vail and albuquerque I WANT TO SHARE AMERICA WITH YOU i won't say you're my friend or enemy or that i smell your sex or that the ridge lodge pole warren touched the inside sky or that you found me there on the slopes and followed me YOU WANT TO SHARE ME WITH NO ONE the skies are dark, no one will see _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:04:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: The Fossil Record MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Catherine [Daly], Just a note to let you know that your piece "Romantic Mission Lands" is on the homepage at www.thefossil.com this week. Sincere Thanks, Sam [Deese] ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:17:08 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: jazz erotica MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --------------------------------------- This was the winner of February's Porno Short Story Contest. The rules stipulated that the entries had to be 200 words or less and must include ZERO profanity; all anatomical references or references to physical acts must be replaced with references to musical instruments, musicians, musicians' nicknames, or other musical-related references. If you're easily offended, or have zero imagination or tolerance, you might want to skip over this. It was a balmy night out and I was feeling thelonious. I hadn't had any tatum in so long I could have bixed a choirgirl. But I wouldn't have to - the moment I entered the Luboff Lounge, the babe with the giant eubies fixed me with a "come duke me" look. She uncrossed her legs and I could see almost all the way to birdland. I felt a tingle in my tito puente, and with a smile, I had her. This is it. No sooner had we closed my front door than this hot django had grabbed me by the hines and pulled me close. I insinuated my hand under her sweater until I found one of her brubecks, then I slowly traced a circle around her lee konitz. "Oh, baby," she cooed, "you make my red norvo wet." She unzipped my getz, and reached in to cradle my johnny hodges in her hand. "I'd love a little mingus, darling. My gillespie is aching." By this time my king oliver was ready to take a solo; I could hardly wait to coda, but I obliged her. She hoisted her skirt, and I saw that she wasn't wearing any basies. I dove right into her satchmo and attacked her lennie tristano. "Ooh," she moaned, "I want your krupa! Zoot me! Miff me! Fill my cootie williams!" I was ready - almost. I felt in my pocket. Uh - oh. "Sorry, sweets," I said. "No blakey tonight. I'm all out of condons." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: jazz erotica In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're lucky your strayhorn didn't get monked. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Kevin Hehir Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 7:47 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: jazz erotica --------------------------------------- This was the winner of February's Porno Short Story Contest. The rules stipulated that the entries had to be 200 words or less and must include ZERO profanity; all anatomical references or references to physical acts must be replaced with references to musical instruments, musicians, musicians' nicknames, or other musical-related references. If you're easily offended, or have zero imagination or tolerance, you might want to skip over this. It was a balmy night out and I was feeling thelonious. I hadn't had any tatum in so long I could have bixed a choirgirl. But I wouldn't have to - the moment I entered the Luboff Lounge, the babe with the giant eubies fixed me with a "come duke me" look. She uncrossed her legs and I could see almost all the way to birdland. I felt a tingle in my tito puente, and with a smile, I had her. This is it. No sooner had we closed my front door than this hot django had grabbed me by the hines and pulled me close. I insinuated my hand under her sweater until I found one of her brubecks, then I slowly traced a circle around her lee konitz. "Oh, baby," she cooed, "you make my red norvo wet." She unzipped my getz, and reached in to cradle my johnny hodges in her hand. "I'd love a little mingus, darling. My gillespie is aching." By this time my king oliver was ready to take a solo; I could hardly wait to coda, but I obliged her. She hoisted her skirt, and I saw that she wasn't wearing any basies. I dove right into her satchmo and attacked her lennie tristano. "Ooh," she moaned, "I want your krupa! Zoot me! Miff me! Fill my cootie williams!" I was ready - almost. I felt in my pocket. Uh - oh. "Sorry, sweets," I said. "No blakey tonight. I'm all out of condons." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin .msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:00:31 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AMBogle2@AOL.COM Subject: View from Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, Michael Kelly, who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because I used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to say (with his permission): AMB Dear Ann, Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that land would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look it up. Exciting. Excited. Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about Clara Schumann? How do I find out? Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge which overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read it??????????????????????????????????????? Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's where my Piano lives. Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:07:09 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Dana Gioia's Brit thoughts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gerald wrote: "AND Roy Fisher." Yup, another good name to conjurate. Or W.S.Grahame, Maggie O'Sullivan, Trevor Joyce, Bunting, Raworth, Pickard, MacSweeney, Iain Hamilton Finlay, Edwin Morgan etc etc. I think my point holds: that if Gioia's book aims to dispel misconceptions about post war British poeytry then presenting a false, and somewhat cultuarlly safe, version of it does not seem to be the way to do so. I hust had a look at the site, to avoid retyping below are some quick thoughts already posted elsewhere: the book seems to be strung together from occasional essays..., it is hard to read the blurb without suffering from an attack of irony rampant, as the cluster of writers it focuses on seems to be largely of the kind that have switched off interest in the States. Interesting that the word novelist is mentioned, I can't comment on the essay as I haven't seen it but in my mind it triggers a particular bete-noir: that is that side of the failure of nerve in some strands of British poetry, and certainly in its 'official' versions, for example the kind promulgated by Anthony Thwaite's British Council booklets, partly revolves around a seeking of refuge in the verisimultude of the realist tradition of the novel, the eye for detail and its comforting illusions of incontestable actuality. It's not insignificant that the hinge figure of Larkin was a semi-novelist. I'm toying with names for it all - how about: 'Dylan Thomas doesn't drink here anymore" Of course, too, there is a certain parallel to the Fifties and after in British poetry, post-Dylan and post-Apocalypse Not Now, to the Edwardian hearties and the Georgians in the great outdoors of their back-gardens, which was in some respects another retreat to respectablity, that time post-Wilde. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:13:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: View from Binghamton Comments: To: AMBogle2@AOL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Ann and all, The episode is pretty well-documented. If you read a good biography of Coleridge or Southey (don't have such an article myself today maybe for Christmas hint hint Daddy Warbucks)you can learn all about it, place-names and all. I think the Pennsylvania connection rings a bell. Sorry to be so vague. My rocky memory says no to Binghamton. I lived in Ithaca for 3 years and while Binghamton warmed the cockles of my heart it didn't do it in the particular way it would have if I'd associated it with Coleridge and Southey and I was closer to remembering specific details then than now. All of which goes to show that scholarship is a noble pursuit, my vague mumblings the worst kind of self-indulgence, and a big hard-backed biography of Coleridge or his once good mate Southey must needs be stuffed into my Christmas stocking. Yours, Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> AMBogle2@AOL.COM 12/12/03 08:55 AM >>> Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, Michael Kelly, who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because I used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to say (with his permission): AMB Dear Ann, Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that land would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look it up. Exciting. Excited. Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about Clara Schumann? How do I find out? Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge which overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read it??????????????????????????????????????? Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's where my Piano lives. Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:27:22 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: 1 hour special with Cesar Cruz -tune in on the web or ur radio MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 1 hour special with Cesar Cruz -tune in on the web or ur radio Tune in for an hour of poetry, politics & music with César A. Cruz on 89.5 FM KPOO on Saturday, December 13th from 3-4p.m. -César A. Cruz will be the guest on Chelis Herrera Lopezís new show Andanzas on Saturday at the first Independent African American radio station in the country. You can listen all over the world via the internet at: http://www.kpoo.com/gallery.html?http://www.kpoo.com/stream.html Topics to discuss: 1. Latina/o 1-Day Strike 2. Poetry laced with truth & consciousness 3. Y pos lo que caiga!onamove....teololFor info on Cesar check out: http://home.att.net/~teolol/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:56:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: View from Binghamton In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Let's not forget the place that was bought for Marie Antoinette outside of Wilkes-Barre; I've been shown it (a large building on a hill), but can't testify to the truthfulness of it. It was intended to be an escape for her, one which didn't work. - Alan On Fri, 12 Dec 2003, Mairead Byrne wrote: > Dear Ann and all, > The episode is pretty well-documented. If you read a good biography of > Coleridge or Southey (don't have such an article myself today maybe for > Christmas hint hint Daddy Warbucks)you can learn all about it, > place-names and all. I think the Pennsylvania connection rings a bell. > Sorry to be so vague. My rocky memory says no to Binghamton. I lived > in Ithaca for 3 years and while Binghamton warmed the cockles of my > heart it didn't do it in the particular way it would have if I'd > associated it with Coleridge and Southey and I was closer to remembering > specific details then than now. All of which goes to show that > scholarship is a noble pursuit, my vague mumblings the worst kind of > self-indulgence, and a big hard-backed biography of Coleridge or his > once good mate Southey must needs be stuffed into my Christmas stocking. > Yours, > Mairead > > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > >>> AMBogle2@AOL.COM 12/12/03 08:55 AM >>> > Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the > confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, > Michael Kelly, > who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because > I > used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to > say (with > his permission): > > AMB > > Dear Ann, > > Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga > and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place > of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's > lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at > Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that > land > would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive > at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look > it > up. Exciting. Excited. > > Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with > all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about > Clara Schumann? How do I find out? > > Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their > relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? > > I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge > which > overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. > > General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off > point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. > > Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise > respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. > > > > > ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about > (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just > blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this > list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read > it??????????????????????????????????????? > > Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the > human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's > where my Piano lives. > > Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:56:49 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: View from Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I didn't realise there was confusion about the whereabouts of Pantisoc-hope-ia, it was "on some 300,000 acres along the Susquehanna River north of the small frontier community of Northumberland, Pennsylvania. It was in this area that Samuel Taylor Coleridge and Robert Southey dreamed and planned of "Pantisocracy," the idealized community for English lovers of liberty." There's a goodish account of the "Northumberland Settlement" at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~crossroads/huckell/loyalsock/northu mberland.html Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mairead Byrne" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: View from Binghamton Dear Ann and all, The episode is pretty well-documented. If you read a good biography of Coleridge or Southey (don't have such an article myself today maybe for Christmas hint hint Daddy Warbucks)you can learn all about it, place-names and all. I think the Pennsylvania connection rings a bell. Sorry to be so vague. My rocky memory says no to Binghamton. I lived in Ithaca for 3 years and while Binghamton warmed the cockles of my heart it didn't do it in the particular way it would have if I'd associated it with Coleridge and Southey and I was closer to remembering specific details then than now. All of which goes to show that scholarship is a noble pursuit, my vague mumblings the worst kind of self-indulgence, and a big hard-backed biography of Coleridge or his once good mate Southey must needs be stuffed into my Christmas stocking. Yours, Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> AMBogle2@AOL.COM 12/12/03 08:55 AM >>> Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, Michael Kelly, who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because I used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to say (with his permission): AMB Dear Ann, Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that land would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look it up. Exciting. Excited. Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about Clara Schumann? How do I find out? Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge which overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read it??????????????????????????????????????? Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's where my Piano lives. Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:18:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Microsoft to cut swastikas from software Friday, December 12, 2003 Posted: 9:28 AM EST (1428 GMT) SEATTLE, Washington (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. said on Friday that its latest version of Office software inadvertently contained a font featuring two swastikas, and said it would offer tools to remove and replace the offending characters from the program. The swastika, which was made infamous by Nazi Germany, was included in Microsoft's "Bookshelf Symbol 7" font. That font was derived from a Japanese font set, said Microsoft Office product manager Simon Marks. "It was discovered by one of our customers a couple weeks ago," Marks said, adding that there was "no indication of malicious intent." The Redmond, Washington-based software maker said that it had contacted various Jewish organizations about the font and said a utility would be immediately available on its Web site that would remove the characters from the system. Microsoft said it will release other tools at a later date to remove only the offending characters. A form of the swastika has been used in the Buddhist religion to symbolize the feet or footprints of the Buddha. The symbol, which was also used widely in the ancient world including Mesopotamia, Scandinavia, India and the Americas, became common in China and Japan with the spread of Buddhism. German dictator Adolf Hitler adopted the swastika as the symbol of the Nazi Party because of its nationalist identification, according to the Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish human rights group. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:06:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Reminder: benefit for Todd Colby this Sunday in NYC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sunday, December 14 2003 8:00pm Poets Helping Poets: Benefit for Todd Colby, Elizabeth Zechel & Melissa Piechucki! On November 19, a fire on Monitor Street in Greenpoint, Brooklyn destroyed the home and possessions of Soft Skull poet Todd Colby, his wife Elizabeth Zechel, and their neighbor and friend Melissa Piechucki. Please join us for a great night of music and poetry to help them create a new home! Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (across from CBGBs) New York, NY http: //www.bowerypoetry.com http: //www.softskull.com Suggested donations at the door: $5, $10, $25, $50, $100. Plus $2 raffle tickets to win pairs of tickets from the Joyce Theater, the Bowery Poetry Club, CDs, books and more! MUSIC by Gordon Gano of the Violent Femmes Rebecca Moore Matthew Wascovich, Brian Straw & Todd Colby Alice B. Talkless Tobi Joi READINGS by Hal Sirowitz John S. Hall Maggie Estep Brendan Lorber Sharon Mesmer Regie Cabico Cat Tyc David Cameron Lisa Miller Karen Randolf T. Cole Rachel Brenda Coultas Marcella Durand Anne Elliot Daniel Nester Justin Theroux Michael Portnoy & Marrianne Vitale of the Yogurt Boys Edwin Torres Dana Bryant Celena Glen Tracey McTague Thad Rutowkski Dawn Saylor Jo Ann Wasserman Michael Azerrad SPONSORS/DONATORS Soft Skull Press Bowery Poetry Club Gammon Records & Jordan Trachtenberg Slow Toe Publications 3AM Magazine Skanky Possum Press Boog City Lungfull! 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To make a donation on behalf of the other families affected by the fire, contact the NY Red Cross at http://www.nycredcross.org. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:13:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carolyn Ostrander Subject: Re: View from Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If this is indeed the location of the Coleridge/Southey land deal, I have pictures of it, because my gg-grandparents lived and owned land in the area. Hillsgrove is near the foot of North Mountain, the escarpment that begins (or ends, if coming south) that line of "Endless Mountains" that mark the southernmost descent of the glaciers. It's a very beautiful, and difficult to navigate or farm, piece of land still. But if the land was at a confluence of rivers, I'd guess that it was a bit farther west, in Williamsport, where the East and West branches of the Susquehanna meet. (This is supposing that Binghamton is not the site, just for the sake of conversation). It seems equally likely that the stories of Priestley's land deal and Southey's have been conflated, and that Southey's land might have been at the Susquehanna and Chenango's meeting. The rootsweb account seemed, like many genealogical constructions, somewhat confused in its chronology. clo "david.bircumshaw" wrote: > I didn't realise there was confusion about the whereabouts of > Pantisoc-hope-ia, it was "on some 300,000 acres along the Susquehanna River > north of the small frontier community of Northumberland, Pennsylvania. It > was in this area that Samuel Taylor Coleridge and Robert Southey dreamed and > planned of "Pantisocracy," the idealized community for English lovers of > liberty." > > There's a goodish account of the "Northumberland Settlement" at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~crossroads/huckell/loyalsock/northu > mberland.html > > Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mairead Byrne" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: View from Binghamton > > Dear Ann and all, > The episode is pretty well-documented. If you read a good biography of > Coleridge or Southey (don't have such an article myself today maybe for > Christmas hint hint Daddy Warbucks)you can learn all about it, > place-names and all. I think the Pennsylvania connection rings a bell. > Sorry to be so vague. My rocky memory says no to Binghamton. I lived > in Ithaca for 3 years and while Binghamton warmed the cockles of my > heart it didn't do it in the particular way it would have if I'd > associated it with Coleridge and Southey and I was closer to remembering > specific details then than now. All of which goes to show that > scholarship is a noble pursuit, my vague mumblings the worst kind of > self-indulgence, and a big hard-backed biography of Coleridge or his > once good mate Southey must needs be stuffed into my Christmas stocking. > Yours, > Mairead > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > >>> AMBogle2@AOL.COM 12/12/03 08:55 AM >>> > Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the > confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, > Michael Kelly, > who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because > I > used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to > say (with > his permission): > > AMB > > Dear Ann, > > Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga > and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place > of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's > lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at > Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that > land > would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive > at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look > it > up. Exciting. Excited. > > Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with > all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about > Clara Schumann? How do I find out? > > Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their > relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? > > I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge > which > overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. > > General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off > point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. > > Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise > respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. > > ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about > (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just > blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this > list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read > it??????????????????????????????????????? > > Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the > human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's > where my Piano lives. > > Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 08:45:33 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mickey o'connor Subject: Re: Dana Gioia's Brit thoughts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed dana gioia can go eat a hershey's bar... _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. 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BUT: I am very easy going guy I like funny like language poem. Desire write the poem the poem no good one is he I who am incorrect or what? Encounter voice of the voice no good one. Poem no good one. Desire that simple they good one does not say simple any. What? I am individual that goes very easy that I have taste amused like the poem of the language. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:41:36 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Cybermind/CONNECTED,or What It Means to Live in the Network Society (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shaviro was my mentor in graduate school. He's completely brilliant. He j= ust got a better position at Wayne State in Detroit, if anybody on this list is= from there. Steve is a genius -- very kind and down deep very fair and just abo= ut perfect. He completely despises George Bush. When I met him he had just g= ot tenure and had dyed his hair green and was wearing a t-shirt with a dinosau= r on it. He tells very good jokes and is curious about everything from string t= heory to Yoko Ono (he thinks Ono was the best of the Beatles). I recommend all his writing, and am glad to see his book make it to this li= st thanks to Alan Sondheim. -- Kirby Olson Alan Sondheim wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:01:18 -0600 > From: Stacy Zellmann > To: sondheim@panix.com > Subject: Cybermind/CONNECTED, or What It Means to Live in the Network Soc= iety > > One of our most exciting thinkers explores the look and feel of our cultu= ral > moment. > > CONNECTED, or What It Means to Live in the Network Society > Steven Shaviro > University of Minnesota Press | 240 pages | 2003 > ISBN 0-8166-4362-8 | hardcover | $49.95 > ISBN 0-8166-4363-6 | paperback | $17.95 > Electronic Mediations Series, volume 9 > > Connected is made up of a series of mini-essays=8Bon cyberpunk, hip-hop, = film > noir, Web surfing, greed, electronic surveillance, pervasive multimedia, > psychedelic drugs, artificial intelligence, and evolutionary psychology, > among other topics. In this breathtaking work, Steven Shaviro investigates > popular culture, new technologies, political change, and community > disruption and concludes that science fiction and social reality have bec= ome > virtually indistinguishable. > > Shaviro argues that our strange new world is increasingly being transform= ed > in ways, and by devices, that seem to come out of the pages of science > fiction, even while the world itself is becoming a futuristic landscape. = The > result is that science fiction provides the most useful social theory, the > only form that manages to be as radical as reality itself. > > For more information, including the table of contents, visit the book's > webpage: > http://www.upress.umn.edu/Books/S/shaviro=5Fconnected.html > > For more information about the Electronic Mediations Series, visit its > webpage: > http://www.upress.umn.edu/byseries/electronic.html > > Sign up to receive news on the latest releases from University of Minneso= ta > Press: > http://www.upress.umn.edu/eform.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 14:34:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: LETTER TO HOWARD DEAN FROM CAROL MIRAKOVE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit for this and more, go to: THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry: http://phillysound.blogspot.com "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:41:09 -0500 Reply-To: Fence/Fence Books Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fence/Fence Books Organization: Fence/Fence Books Subject: Fence/Fence Books Unsubscription Content-type: text/plain Unsubscription from list: Fence/Fence Books is successful. 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Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." 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Although suspended in indefinite, sometimes desperate states of desire, these spare poems move toward an honest recognition of the damage incurred: "Welcome, autumn, / to my room / of empty things. // Welcome to a room / like you." "Though As in Every Deafness recalls the wintry meditative intensity of William Bronk, it's a new millennium: 'Our economy proceeds / as if life were an unlearning.' Graham Foust has an unerring sense of the exact contours of a particular thought and is able to express them with mathematical precision and emotional delicacy; yet pushing against lyric constraint is wildness, uneasiness, sometimes terror." 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An additional 26 copies will soon be available! = This edition is printed on 100% rag, hand painted, lettered & signed by = the author. The cover is printed on suede (that's right - suede) riveted = through black boards. These go for thirty dollars a pop. But what's the best part of all? All the funds procured from the sale of = this title will be donated to the Rare Book School in Charlottesville = Virginia - an independent, and non-profit center for the history of the = book and printing since 1983. Donations to RBS, reviews and = correspondence may be sent directly to the press.=20 Check out some images of this "book" at: http://www.cuneiformpress.com Fred Wah writes: "The non-sentencing of the poems in with wax releases = us from the shackles of syntax into the surprise of juncture, double = exposure and an attention to words and phrases melting and flowing into = new shapes. The effect is mesmerizing when the excess language pools and = hardens as 'often syntax penetrates platen streaks . difficult to = discern.' These are poems you can burn at both ends." derek beaulieu lives in Calgary where he has been involved in editing = the magazines dandelion, filling station and endnote. He is the = editor/publisher of housepress, a micropress dedicated to radical = poetries and poetics. Cheers! Kyle Cuneiform Press 383 Summer Street Buffalo, New York 14213 ks46@buffalo.edu Forthcoming titles from Robert Creeley, Craig Dworkin, Gil Ott, & Andrew = Levy. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 00:07:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/cube.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/cube.mov orthogonal unit vectors with interconnected vertices gracing edges surfaces and centers all this will disappear in another world in another world there will be others i invite you and they will welcome you _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:40:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: configuring in absence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII configuring in absence i have been disappearing. first i bought a sharp zaurus 5500 with linux and have downloaded numerous applications; i use a sandisk card with it for wireless and signed up for tmobile but it's quite expensive. i am using both cf and sd cards for storage, and have been reading materials from iran. i had to configure a number of programs and found a small perl which runs beautifully with my text scripts. i also bought a small rubber keyboard which will be replaced by a hard plastic infrared one in the near future. the zaurus synchronizes with the hp laptop running winxp home. i then sold my mac g3 powerbook and turned my 300 mhz compaq desktop into a local store to have a new 1.4 motherboard installed with the older 24 gb hard drives and 200 mhz ram. i had originally tried running redhat 9 and then fedora on it; both ran impossibly slow, but i liked redhat better. when the box was returned with the new hardware, including a new video board as well, i installed redhat 9 again, and it ran well, but was on occasion producing kernel errors which were forwarded to the root account. and x window wouldn't run at all until a second video board replaced the first with considerably more ram. at this point i tried to install mandrake 9.2 after a bad crash in redhat 9 - i had turned off the machine without shutdown -h now in text mode and after that x wouldn't come up except in such a safe mode that a black screen and cursor were all that remained - and during the install, i went through numerous partitionings, settling finally on the recommended, after which the error appeared that no ide devices found, and the install disk wouldn't exit the cdrom tray. so i tried using the redhat floppy boot disk i made since the formatting hadn't started, and the floppy drive was also inoperable. the cdrom install disk had to be manually removed. now that the machine was empty, i tried rebooting, only to have it stall, not even reaching, as far as i could tell, the bios, since i couldn't bring the bios up, again getting the message search for ide devices and coming up empty. so the machine is back at the shop. meanwhile we installed verizon dsl which went in easily with ethernet to the hp laptop, and i added a linksys wireless-b, all i could afford, router instead of the cable; due to my abysmal ignorance, verizon had to walk me through the desktop configuration. the zaurus immediately responded well, but in the other room, i found i couldn't connect an old win 98 desktop because it wasn't se and the software was problematic if i had managed to get the ethernet card working in the first place, so this has been put on hold. when all goes well in the future, if it ever does - azure said i should have bought that 350 usd linux box now made by hp and she's right - i'll install cinelerra, xmovie, etc.; one of the biggest problems with linux is the lack of mid-range to low-range applications for video editing in common formats; i haven't found anything reasonable for qt yet for example. on the zaurus i've had some luck with image processing software for still images, but have yet to get any of my own work to run on it; i've got the older operating system rom at the moment, and if i upgrade, sharp promises not only will the work be lost, but the backup/restore function won't work. when i was installing the verizon software on the hp laptop by the way, one tech advisor completely gave up and i used the winxp restore to take all of it off and start over, after which things were at least, although barely, recognized. there's nothing like restore points as a safety net; too bad we can't do that with real life. meanwhile i've been working with gimp since on occasion even on windows photoshop crashes and gimp doesn't, and creating small videos which are also based, as today's, on drawings completed in a sketch program for the zaurus; oddly, the zaurus has been quite useful for content creation. i have given the older dell 600 mhz linux laptop i had, to my brother, along with the redhat 7 and 8 disks i had; i wasn't able to configure the orinoco wireless card for it, no matter how i tried. and it wouldn't work with the mac - not this particular card, according to orinoco. a third laptop, an old ast at 100 mhz but with 40 megs of ram, was used for text-based linux, but i finally gave that away, as well as a small phenom with wince 2.1, slightly upgraded, that had a bad backup battery and an annoying habit of losing applications as a result. i had also received an older palm pda which i had configured with numerous programs; i also gave my brother this one, after i found that the zaurus did pretty much all i needed. there were no palm applications on the zaurus of course, but there are several readers that can do the doc and pdb etc. files, although i stopped short of putting on the emulator, since there are too many things close to conflicting already at the moment. i installed the avant browser on the hp laptop which i quite like, as well as the konqueror browser for the zaurus in addition to the opera which comes with it, but the former tends to add various cache files while the opera erases them, and since there is very little ram on the 5500, even with an optimizer i installed, i tend to use the latter. it's difficult to configure the linux in the zaurus, since everything seems peculiarly linked - go in a couple of directories, and you'll find yourself looping back to root or something that seems awfully similar. i still can't find the favorites.txt i want to configure for the webcam application; it's got to be somewhere (the app runs on jeode, zaurus' java environment), but so far everything's turned up empty. i found zauruszone one of the best sites for configuration and downloads by the way, although there are numerous others i use as well. the sony f717 digital camera wouldn't work, by the way, with redhat 9, no matter what i did; the machine went down before i had the opportunity to try it with the new board, or with fedora or mandrake 9.2. i had also installed suse at one point, running off the cdrom; suse laid down a few files in the linux root directory, and for all of this naturally the bios had to be changed so that the machine would boot in the first place from cdrom. i've now got another problem, an older sparc-like workstation i want to use with my current dell monitor, but the workstation has a four-bnc output cable, and the dell monitor, a five-bnc input; i'm not sure what to connect where and am a little bit worried about overloading either voltage or scan rate. for the zaurus, i also bought an extra battery and a small device which takes 4 nimh rechargables - down below 6 volts, which might harm the power supply, but the zaurus has difficulties recognizing the latter, and the zaurus' apm command and graphic power meter is incredibly primitive and useless - although i heard it's better on the newer rom - the one i mentioned is only one of several, but i'm really tiring of configuring things - there are times i've installed linux say 7-8 times of an evening, and need to have some sort of stable environment to work in, which seems a long time coming, now that the refurbished desktop is back in the shop again. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:18:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New de Blog Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dolores Park - Sacred Considerations Comments, as always, appreciated. Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:49:51 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Forum on Performance Comments: To: British Poets Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, an emerging Forum, currently hosting a discussion on 'Performance' at the BEPC might be of interest: http://www.soton.ac.uk/~bepc/forum.htm love and love cris ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 07:26:22 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fadwa Touqan 1917-2003 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Palestinian poet Fadwa Touqan dead at 86=A0 NABLUS, West Bank (Reuters) - Fadwa Touqan, revered among Palestinians=20= as the "Poet of Palestine", died on Friday in the West Bank. She was 86. Her writings, popular across the Arab world, focused on themes ranging=20= from romance to resistance against Israeli occupation. In one poem, "Waiting at the Alleby Bridge", Touqan wrote of the=20 humiliation Palestinians feel undergoing Israeli security checks at the=20= border crossing between Jordan and the West Bank. "Miserable eyes, waiting, begging to pass," she wrote. The Wandering Dove Fadwa Touqan I wander everywhere, a frightened dove, Displaced, denied, and deprived of love : Snakes always coil to block my path, Hissing, menacing, and full of wrath; And hounds, chasing me, continue to bark, So that my memory of love is pale, dark. The images of my dreams are lost, worn, And I always seem to tread on thorn! Night has slaughtered my moon; And in nightmares I writhe and swoon: The Zionists robbed the stars of my night, And nobody cares about my painful plight. Ghosts tear my heart as I bitterly cry, And the indifferent world never wipes my eye! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 06:17:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: the ***NEW*** Black Spring In-Reply-To: <002601c3c118$f0a1b050$57f9cd80@administpii39e> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the ***NEW*** Black Spring Nick Piombino and Walter Benjamin the streets of lost souls The Factory School Digital Audio Archive production note=92s sexual content @ http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:24:47 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: The IRS Claims New Patriot Act Type Powers to Punish Political Diss Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The IRS Claims New Patriot Act Type Powers to Punish Political Dissenters They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. Constant apprehension of war has the same tendency to render the head too large for the body. A standing military force with an overgrown executive will not long be safe. companions to liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson "America is a quarter of a billion people totally misinformed and disinformed by their government. This is tragic but our media is -- I wouldn't even say corrupt -- it's just beyond telling us anything that the government doesn't want us to know." Gore Vidal ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:17:39 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: View from Binghamton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Carolyn Smilingly thinking how appropriate it is that the location of Coleridge's dream should be so uncertainly, so vaguely placed! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Ostrander" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:13 PM Subject: Re: View from Binghamton If this is indeed the location of the Coleridge/Southey land deal, I have pictures of it, because my gg-grandparents lived and owned land in the area. Hillsgrove is near the foot of North Mountain, the escarpment that begins (or ends, if coming south) that line of "Endless Mountains" that mark the southernmost descent of the glaciers. It's a very beautiful, and difficult to navigate or farm, piece of land still. But if the land was at a confluence of rivers, I'd guess that it was a bit farther west, in Williamsport, where the East and West branches of the Susquehanna meet. (This is supposing that Binghamton is not the site, just for the sake of conversation). It seems equally likely that the stories of Priestley's land deal and Southey's have been conflated, and that Southey's land might have been at the Susquehanna and Chenango's meeting. The rootsweb account seemed, like many genealogical constructions, somewhat confused in its chronology. clo "david.bircumshaw" wrote: > I didn't realise there was confusion about the whereabouts of > Pantisoc-hope-ia, it was "on some 300,000 acres along the Susquehanna River > north of the small frontier community of Northumberland, Pennsylvania. It > was in this area that Samuel Taylor Coleridge and Robert Southey dreamed and > planned of "Pantisocracy," the idealized community for English lovers of > liberty." > > There's a goodish account of the "Northumberland Settlement" at: > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~crossroads/huckell/loyalsock/northu > mberland.html > > Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mairead Byrne" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: View from Binghamton > > Dear Ann and all, > The episode is pretty well-documented. If you read a good biography of > Coleridge or Southey (don't have such an article myself today maybe for > Christmas hint hint Daddy Warbucks)you can learn all about it, > place-names and all. I think the Pennsylvania connection rings a bell. > Sorry to be so vague. My rocky memory says no to Binghamton. I lived > in Ithaca for 3 years and while Binghamton warmed the cockles of my > heart it didn't do it in the particular way it would have if I'd > associated it with Coleridge and Southey and I was closer to remembering > specific details then than now. All of which goes to show that > scholarship is a noble pursuit, my vague mumblings the worst kind of > self-indulgence, and a big hard-backed biography of Coleridge or his > once good mate Southey must needs be stuffed into my Christmas stocking. > Yours, > Mairead > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > >>> AMBogle2@AOL.COM 12/12/03 08:55 AM >>> > Note: I sent a few of the inquiries about Coleridge, Binghamton, and the > confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna Rivers to a poet friend, > Michael Kelly, > who lives in Binghamton. To find out what he knew, if anything, because > I > used to live there, too, and I wanted to know. This is what he had to > say (with > his permission): > > AMB > > Dear Ann, > > Your paper clips are fascinating, but confusing. I used to do Yoga > and Tai Chi exercises at the confluence, and have found it to be a place > of Romance. But Romanticism...how would Coleridge know of Bingham's > lot, the Chenango, or the Susquehanna? What about Priestly at > Susquehanna--the town, the tribe, the river? I don't think that that > land > would have been for sale at the time. I'll see if anyone is still alive > at the Historical Society who might know. Otherwise, I'll have to look > it > up. Exciting. Excited. > > Rosemary Waldrop--a poet I have admired; what's she got to do with > all this? Did she make a little chap (is it chap and why?) book about > Clara Schumann? How do I find out? > > Mary Wollstonecraft--I have written about her and Blake, and their > relative feminism. Did she ever want to buy any of Bingham's land? > > I.M. Pei designed the railing for Binghamton's Memorial Bridge > which > overlooks the confluence of the Chenango and Susquehanna rivers. > > General Clinton utilized the two river's junction as a jumping off > point during an ongoing genocide of the local citizenry. > > Thank you. Please Clara--no clarify, answer questions, or otherwise > respond ASAP as I am intrigued. Bye. Love to you from MJK. > > ]That is fine. Forward away, but what about the stuff I asked you about > (Priestly, Wollstonecraft, Waldrop)? What was all that? There were just > blurbs and dots. Are they excerpts from the Poetics List? Where is this > list. Who has it now? Who keeps it? Who gets to read > it??????????????????????????????????????? > > Few utopian communities have survived the rigors and realities of the > human. Shakers: 230; Movers: Zip. Folk Hill is still there, and that's > where my Piano lives. > > Clarity and answers. Love and kisses. Bye. Love MJK.xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxoxox ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:53:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: New poems about places entry Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we come to wheres visit a while take in vistas offered then move on we may or may not have ever been there Gerald Schwartz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 08:59:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: New de Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen: Reading your luxurious text, I thought about how long long ago this was my city too. Now it's more myth--you confirm this, which, when I tried to reenter it, dissipated into another town tangled with cars. It's gold tarnished. My sights were set so high they dragged reality low. This was my fault, my dream, not yours. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2003 1:18 AM Subject: New de Blog > Dolores Park - Sacred Considerations > > Comments, as always, appreciated. > > Stephen Vincent > Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:04:29 -0800 Reply-To: chicanopress@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: [chicanopress] CALACATALOG WINTER 2003-2004 - Support Chicano publishers this Xmas...buy Calaca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit CALACATALOG WINTER 2003-2004 Support independent Chicano publishers this Xmas...buy Calaca! +++ BOOKS: +++ LA CALACA REVIEW: UN BILINGUAL JOURNAL OF PENSAMIENTO & PALABRA Edited by Manuel J. VÈlez (author of Bus Stops and Other Poems) Cover art by Sal Barajas and illustrations by Gabriel J. VÈlez La Calaca Review is the 15th title in six years by independent publishers Calaca Press. La Calaca Review is a code-switching collection featuring poetry and prose by well known Chicano authors including American Book Award recipient Francisco AlarcÛn, Chicano Movement literary icons alurista (El Plan Espiritual de Aztl·n), Abelardo "Lalo" Delgado (Stupid American), ra·lrsalinas (Un Trip through the Mind Jail) and work by emerging literary sensations such as Olga Angelina GarcÌa EcheverrÌa, tatiana de la tierra, Marc Pinate, Frances Marie TreviÒo and Rich YaÒez to name a few. La Calaca Review also features material by Francisco AragÛn, Debby Fern·ndez Badillo, Esmeralda Bernal, Susie Carranza, Michael Cheno, Roberto Tinoco Dur·n, J.J. Gurrola, Liito, Yolanda LÛpez Cisneros, AngÈlica MelÈndez, e. raul navarrete, reina a. prado, ErÈndira RamÌrez, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Elba Rosario S·nchez, Trinidad S·nchez Jr., Zaidee Rose Stavely, Linnet Taylor, Gabriel S. Torres, and Antonieta Villamil. "A bellwether work of literary importance, students of United States literature will recognize in La Revista Calaca a parallel to1969's El Espejo: The Mirror, that introduced the genre of Chicano Literature, launching several important literary careers." - Michael Sedano, La Calaca Review is Literary Highlight of 2003 ISBN 0-9660773-9-3 / 152 pages / Perfectbound / 2003 Retail price: $15.00 +++ FOR THE HARD ONES: A LESBIAN PHENOMENOLOGY PARA LAS DURAS: UNA FENOMENOLOGIA LESBIANA by/por tatiana de la tierra Cover art by Maya Gonzalez. FOR THE HARD ONES/PARA LAS DURAS is a lesbian celebration written in Spanish and English. This philosophical exploration of the fantasy of being a lesbian is a poetic vision from the heart of the matriarchy. FOR THE HARD ONES/PARA LAS DURAS looks at different aspects of lesbianism, from the fingernails and the tongue to the literature and the herstory. A lesbian manifesto for hardcore dykes, baby dykes and wanna-be lesbians. "De la Tierra's poetry, with its humor and penchant for repetition, lends itself to performance, and while it philosophizes on lesbianism her work is still accessible to a general audience. Highly recommended for public and academic libraries with collections of poetry and gay/lesbian studies. " - Daisy Hern·ndez, Curve Magazine April 2003 ISBN 0-9717035-2-3 / perfectbound / 160 pages / 2002 Retail price: $14.00 For the Hard Ones/Para las duras is a joint Calaca Press/Chibcha Press publication. +++ AS OUR BARRIO TURNS...WHO THE YOKE B ON? by alurista With cover art and book design by Sal Barajas. alurista poet-filetero filÛsofo snaps shots of his singular history in wickedly funny, blasphemous travelogues through his youth and activist days. He twists our tongues in the vernacular that we as Chicano Mexicanos find snugly familiar and exhilarating. alurista summons nostalgia like those brown or black and white faded photos which our jefitas and tÌas dust off for the holiday family get-togethers. 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Campesino Fingerprints is a collection of 24 poems by Chicano poet/educator Rod Ricardo-Livingstone. Born and raised in a campesino family in Fresno, Califas, Ricardo-Livingstoneís poetry naturally reflects the farmworker lifestyle as well as the cultural realities of being a Chicano in the U.S. ISBN 0-9660773-2-6 / saddlestitched / 30 pages / 2000 Retail price: $7.00 +++ SPOKEN WORD CDs: +++ APOCALYPSE MANANA: Opera ElectrÛnica for the New Millenium A new genre defying spoken word audio CD by pioneer performance artist Guillermo GÛmez-PeÒa and composer Guillermo Galindo "This is old-fashioned West Coast vision and prophecy time-warped into a future of digital polyculturalism that's already here. GÛmez-PeÒa speaks, shouts, whispers, and gushes in forked and curled tongues... Galindo surrounds him in cut-up sound clouds of opera, speed metal, and urban noise -a jagged electro-ambience that converts the Hotel California into "la mansiÛn de la muerte." 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The CD contains stunning cover art by Austin, TX artist Joyce DiBona as well as liner notes by Abel Salas. ìSalinas is a cool vato, un poeta de aquellas.î - Gregg Barrios, San Antonio Express-News 04/14/2001 ISBN 0-9660773-5-0 / Audio CD / 2000 Retail price: $15.00 Los Many Mundos is a joint Calaca Press/Red Salmon Press onda. +++ WORD DESCARGA by Los Delicados Los Delicados (Darren de LeÛn, Norman Zelaya and Paul S. Flores with percussion by Jimmy Biala) have been taking their act to ìwhere itís needed mostî and terrorizing unsuspecting audiences with their guerrilla ìquantum poeticsî ever since. They combine the subversive power of music, theater, and poetry into a new genre. ìLos Delicados...are urban griots paving a way for a spoken-word revolution....Word Descarga is a visionary iceburg slamming onto the shores of a new millenium.î - Jesse "Chuy" Varela, Latin Beat Magazine, April 2001 Cover art by Isis Rodriguez and liner notes by Camille T. Taiara. ISBN 0-9660773-7-7 / Audio CD / 2000 Retail price: $15.00 +++ SMALL-TOWN BROWNIE by SimÛn Silva Small-Town Brownie features short stories written and read by artist SimÛn Silva from the book of the same name. ìSmall Town Brownie is a tribute to the farmworker families of California. Silva affirms their lives with characters that shout °Ajua! in the face of the most difficult circumstances. Realistic, sad, sometimes funny, wonderfully descriptive.î - Rudolfo Anaya, writer ISBN 0-9660773-8-5 / Double Audio CD / 2000 Retail price: $18.00 +++ RAZA SPOKEN HERE 2 RSH2 continues the groundbreaking bilingual spoken word CD compilation Raza Spoken Here. RSH2 features work by ra·lrsalinas, Leticia Hern·ndez-Linares, tatiana de la tierra, Rod Ricardo-Livingstone, Antonieta Villamil, alejandra ibarra, Los Delicados, robertkarimi, Tammy Gomez con La Palabra, alurista and Grito Serpentino. ISBN 0-9660773-4-2 / Audio CD / 2000 Retail price: $15.00 +++ WHEN SKIN PEELS by Elba Rosario S·nchez and Olga Angelina GarcÌa EcheverrÌa Cover art by Daniel S·nchez-Glazer This CD features the amazing spoken word poetry of these two code-switching Chicana poets. Veterana poet Elba S·nchez hails from the San Francisco Bay area whereas newcomer Olga Garcia comes from the sprawling Chicano neighborhood of East LA. This CD is sure to please all of the Chicana poetry fans out there with its two different, distinct vocal styles. ì[The] two poets on When Skin Peels...rant to their heartís content about identity, love, loss, subjugation and liberty without a glance over their shoulders to see what the boys will have to say about it.î - Frontera Magazine ì...When Skin Peels...can best be described as a fantastic testimony to the wonderful and frustrating paradoxes of Chicana-ness...This CD is a gift to our raza, debemos gozarlo.î - Zopilote Magazine ISBN 0-9660773-1-8 / Audio CD / Poetry published in booklet / 1999 Retail price: $18.00 +++ Phone, fax, email, or write purchase orders to: Calaca Press P.O. Box 620786 San Diego, Califas 92162 (619) 434-9036 phone/fax calacapress@cox.net For more information on Calaca Press please visit our website: . Include $4.00 s/h for the first book or CD and $1.50 for each additional. +++ -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:16:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rebecca Wolff Subject: unsubbing Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v606) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dear Poetics List Serv, In order to unsub from the list serv you need to turn off your "auto reply" feature; my list serv program (Mojo Mail) seems to keep resubbing you because it thinks that you're responding to its unsubscription message with a command to resub. Sorry, RW Fence ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:24:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: FW: Place Poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Kirby's original subject line calls for "new" poems about place. = "Alone at Jojo's" was published in Readings from the Midwest Poetry = Festival, 1984. Joel >=20 >=20 >=20 > Alone at Jojo's >=20 > Nothing is worse > than sitting under a hanging philodendron > with a pizza, alone > not in Rio, > not in Milano, > but in Findlay, Ohio. >=20 > The wine is warm and wretched, > more squeezed from a boil > than poured from a bottle, > and surrounded by vile, sexed-up teenagers > eating mint patties and throwing french fries, > if I was a saboteur, you know > what I'd do. Listen, >=20 > Jojo's never hoped to be a spicy cathedral. > These grapes and chianti bottles > arrived in dust, and once > the filthy first owner unloaded > on Manny laPasta and his abominable wife > the joint fell fast > as a cat down the well. > Why am I here tonight, >=20 > like last night, and the one before, > awful hours of=20 > eating this stuff, > evening upon evening > licking grease from my thumb, > dumb, drunk on Paisano -- > dedicate to: > Jojo's Pizzeria, > Findlay, Ohio. >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 11:25:09 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: derek beaulieu Subject: News from Cuneiform: beaulieu's "with wax" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cuneiform Press is pleased to announce the publication of derek = beaulieu's "with wax." "with wax" was published by Coach House Books in 2003. This selection of = four poems is printed in three colors on a Vandercook 4 letterpress in = the autumn of 2004 in an edition of 100. Each copy of this oversized = book-work has been painted by hand & bound in Fabriano wrappers at the = press. All for the low, low price of ten dollars - including S&H!=20 But wait - there's more! An additional 26 copies will soon be available! = This edition is printed on 100% rag, hand painted, lettered & signed by = the author. The cover is printed on suede (that's right - suede) riveted = through black boards. These go for thirty dollars a pop. But what's the best part of all? All the funds procured from the sale of = this title will be donated to the Rare Book School in Charlottesville = Virginia - an independent, and non-profit center for the history of the = book and printing since 1983. Donations to RBS, reviews and = correspondence may be sent directly to the press.=20 Check out some images of this "book" at: http://www.cuneiformpress.com Fred Wah writes: "The non-sentencing of the poems in with wax releases = us from the shackles of syntax into the surprise of juncture, double = exposure and an attention to words and phrases melting and flowing into = new shapes. The effect is mesmerizing when the excess language pools and = hardens as =91often syntax penetrates platen streaks =85 difficult to = discern.=92 These are poems you can burn at both ends." derek beaulieu lives in Calgary where he has been involved in editing = the magazines dandelion, filling Station and endnote. He is the = editor/publisher of housepress, a micropress dedicated to radical = poetries and poetics. Cheers! Kyle Cuneiform Press 383 Summer Street Buffalo, New York 14213 ks46@buffalo.edu http://www.cuneiformpress.com Forthcoming titles from Robert Creeley, Craig Dworkin, Gil Ott, & Andrew = Levy. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:32:33 -0800 Reply-To: underworldhiphop@yahoogroups.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: SHOW: 12/13/Sat-PRIEST@U-TURN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit first off- This Saturday Dec. 13th: PRIEST da NOMAD & DJ RBI, presented by Organized Theory (http://www.organizedtheory.com) @the U TURN, 11th & U St. NW (1942 11th St. NW) it's that simple folks: you come out, Priest will rhyme, satisfaction is guaranteed. check the organized theory website for mo' info: http://www.organizedtheory.com second of all- tymex, R.I.U. http://www.tctalentmix.com/bio-jtymex.htm please allow me to quote sadat x, from a tribe called quest's "show business": "The party scene is cool, but then again itís all the same You see the same faces, but at different places..." a very familiar face on the dc music scene has left the bldg, far too early and under very disturbing circumstances. POEM-CEES would like to offer our condolences to his friends & family on their loss. take care y'all, take care of yourselves. easy, POEM-CEES Buy "PARANOIA" now at: http://www.cdbaby.com http://www.amazon.com DJ Hut (Dupont Circle) Capitol City Records (U St. ) DCCD (Adams Morgan) GW Tower Records (Foggy Bottom) CD/Game Exchange (College Park) BLACKLUSTRE MASH UNIT POEM-CEES http://www.poemcees.com Soul Controllers http://www.worldsflyest.com -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 10:53:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The power of a twisted symbol. The Christian cross is the symbol of a slow, very painful, death. The empty cross seemingly waits for its worshipper, or wearer, to mount it. It is not a symbol of resurrection, but wrongful death. One wonders why the millions of people who wear one don't examine its implications. It's ubiquitous symbol that's literally empty of meaning. Better to wear a fish instead. Although they're disappearing too. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" To: Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software > Microsoft to cut swastikas from software > > Friday, December 12, 2003 Posted: 9:28 AM EST (1428 GMT) > > > SEATTLE, Washington (Reuters) -- Microsoft Corp. said on Friday that > its latest version of Office software inadvertently contained a font > featuring two swastikas, and said it would offer tools to remove and > replace the offending characters from the program. > > The swastika, which was made infamous by Nazi Germany, was included in > Microsoft's "Bookshelf Symbol 7" font. That font was derived from a > Japanese font set, said Microsoft Office product manager Simon Marks. > > "It was discovered by one of our customers a couple weeks ago," Marks > said, adding that there was "no indication of malicious intent." > > The Redmond, Washington-based software maker said that it had contacted > various Jewish organizations about the font and said a utility would be > immediately available on its Web site that would remove the characters > from the system. > > Microsoft said it will release other tools at a later date to remove > only the offending characters. > > A form of the swastika has been used in the Buddhist religion to > symbolize the feet or footprints of the Buddha. The symbol, which was > also used widely in the ancient world including Mesopotamia, > Scandinavia, India and the Americas, became common in China and Japan > with the spread of Buddhism. > > German dictator Adolf Hitler adopted the swastika as the symbol of the > Nazi Party because of its nationalist identification, according to the > Los Angeles-based Simon Wiesenthal Center, an international Jewish > human rights group. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:13:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Musings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Musings Take any chain of N unit vectors mutually orthogonal. The chain is defined such that at most two vectors meet at any vertex, and the endpoints are necessarily disparate. Then the chain defines a unique measure polytope of dimension N. The length of the chain = N, and if N is the maximum chain in any space, then N is the dimension of that space. Connect the two endpoints of the chain. Then the length of the connection is N^1/2, and the vector is a major diagonal of the measure polytope. Connect the endpoints of any two adjacent vectors; the length is 2^1/2. Connect the endpoints of any X adjacent vectors, and the length is X^1/2. If the dimension is N create a table such as: 1 2 3 4 5 6 6 5 4 3 2 1 . There are 6 vectors of length 1, 5 diagonals of length 2^1/2, down to 1 diagonal of length 6^1/2. In three dimensions 1 2 3 3 2 1 and the total defines the number of edges of a tetrahedron embedded in a cube (6 of course), such that for any dimension N, E = (N+1)(N)/2 for the number of edges. Note that these tetrahedrons are only regular when N = 1. The point of the exercise is that the awkwardness of the chain resolves quickly when the diagonals are added in; clearly the chain forms a tetrahedron of dimension N within a stable measure polytope; the diagonals create strength and stability, and the chain itself is embedded and comfortable with its new surroundings. _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:59:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel Weishaus wrote: >One wonders why the millions >of people who wear one don't examine its implications. >It's ubiquitous symbol that's literally empty of meaning. Can you think of a symbol that *literally* contains meaning? -A ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:07:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software In-Reply-To: <001d01c3c1bc$1085c340$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { Joel Weishaus wrote: { { >One wonders why the millions { >of people who wear one don't examine its implications. { >It's ubiquitous symbol that's literally empty of meaning. { { { Can you think of a symbol that *literally* contains meaning? { { -A I don't think Joel meant "literally" literally, Aaron. Hal Not responsible for typographical errors. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:00:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: places that might review chapbooks? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Small Press Review has been reviewing chapbooks for over 30 years. Box 100, Paradise CA 95967 --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! 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Thanks, Sasha ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:37:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: Microsoft to cut swastikas from software In-Reply-To: <001d01c3c1bc$1085c340$45d9bed0@AARONLAPTOP> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel Weishaus wrote: ..| The Christian cross is the symbol of [...] ..| One wonders why the millions of people who ..| wear one don't examine its implications. It's ..| ubiquitous symbol that's literally empty of meaning Even more, it is a *heathen* tradition to worship idols and to engage in idolatry. Christians of faith do not wear crosses 'as symbol,' or any other idols for that matter (like a fish). The whole point of Christianity is to leave idolatry behind to follow the true God. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 16:57:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: FW: HELP: washington, dc--looking for material for new bookstore MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A great opportunity for small presses and experimental writers/presses We are looking for outstanding CDS and chap books from outstanding artists for new store. 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Thanks. =96Mike Topp 2003 authors include: *=09Joe Amato *=09Peter Balestrieri *=09Aaron Belz *=09David Berman *=09Nick Carbo *=09Thurston Moore & Byron Coley *=09Jim Cory *=09Maria Damon with mIEKAL aND *=09Denise Duhamel *=09Elaine Equi *=09John Farris *=09Jayne Fenton-Keane (JFK) *=09Daisy Friedman *=09Lois Gallagher *=09Gwynne Garfinkle *=09Jonathan Hayes *=09Jeff Johnson *=09R. Kees *=09Daniil Kharms *=09Miss Lady J *=09Jeffrey Little *=09Merry Fortune *=09Gillian McCain *=09Samuel Menashe *=09Eileen Myles *=09Elinor Nauen *=09Jeni Olin *=09Mark Peters *=09Aram Saroyan *=09Cedar Sigo *=09Frank Simone *=09Hal Sirowitz *=09G.P. Skratz *=09Alan Sondheim *=09Philippe Soupault *=09Sparrow *=09Robert Sward *=09Nick Tosches *=09David Trinidad *=09William Wegman _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. 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".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:53:53 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: advance press, new book on native american studies, etc... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" kass fleisher's ~the bear river massacre and the making of history~, forthcoming in march on suny press: http://www.sunypress.org/details.asp?id=60920 (kass is my wife/partner, and has been working on this book for upwards of nine years)... due out in march, as i say, but i figure some folks on this list will want to keep an eye out for it, esp. as the work represents a crossing of genres and disciplines---history, autobiography, journalism, critique, etc.... i'll post again when it's available... many thanks for your attention... best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:40:52 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Places Contest Voting Begins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ok, the voting has begun on the places contest. So far I have only one vote tallied. This vote is for Skip Fox. The voting works like this -- you can vote for anybody except yourself, and you get one full vote if you entered a poem in the contest, and half a vote if you didn't. The voting will end at midnight tomorrow night on Monday (I'm figuring that a lot of people can only open their email from school, so I wanted to give Monday to vote). I'm now going to offer some commentary on selected poems, because I actually like to read commentary on poetry better than poetry (this is weird, I know, but I love commentary, even in basketball, again more than the game itself) -- and this is partially an attempt to bring out the commentator in others -- I'll announce my vote at the end -- I found it hard to judge because quite frankly there was an embarrassment of riches. I was very happy to receive Francis Raven's two poems right away to open the contest. I read them very carefully, and then did a web search for this poet, and found out that we both went to Evergreen State College and that he/she (there appear to be this name listed as a poet under both genders, but maybe this is two separate poets, or maybe we're back to the transgender conversation): I especially liked Bayview Wetland -- this poem reopens the question of whether an objective reality exists and whether we can know it aside from language -- a conversation dear to many. Does the SF Bay Wetland have an independent existence outside of Francis Raven's poem? "95 percent of SF bay wetlands destroyed. Bay also a third smaller. Where did that water go?" I like the factual data (is all date theory-determined?), followed by the lyrical question. 2. Because I am not Canadian I didn't get the references in Rob McLennan's poem. I don't know the manx pub, and don't watch hockey, and don't know Kathleen Edwards, so couldn't grasp this poem, but I could picture the snow and the cold in the accompanying letter. 3. Keri Thomas' Buffalo-oriented poems -- I could picture coming closer to town and the radio getting clearer. That was a strong image 4. Martha Deed's poem on Bowmansville was great -- nice jumps, with good precise details, and interesting humor at the end. 5. I wondered if Ken Rumble's poem about Lyme was where the Lyme's Disease came from. I didn't understand the last line about leaning due to hills, but I guess they are walking on the sides of hills and trying to compensate. This is the level on which I read many of the poems. I didn't take it to a larger theoretical level. I read them for information, but was delighted by Kevin Hehir's funny formatting, and was delirious about hsn's list of leaping names. Samaria! Also, some of the poems left out a lot of information. Mairead Byrne's poem leaped some thirty years and I needed the interim info, but it made me wonder about the caesura there. Rosalie Calabrese's poem I tried some theory on -- it's about an individual on Fire Island in mid-summer. You get a plover (what's that? I know it's a kind of bird, but I don't think it's a symbol of anything, but the ending is a kind of merger with the shore line -- where land and sea intermingle. Also, there is a boom box that interrupts -- could this be intermingling of races (I'm assuming Calabrese is Italian from the name, and the boom box is African American, but it needn't be) there might also be gender in this, or even class. Plus you could do an ecological reading of it. Somehow I loved the merger in the end -- it was quite lovely. But I'm voting for Michael Rothenberg -- his leaps are the weirdest while maintaining a perfect tone -- the poem seems almost anonymous and yet personal -- opening with a fear of death, but you get Miami Vice type images -- "lightning/ pasted on black sky, high-rise hotels" and "blighted palms, coral ruins" -- so there's an interweaving of a huge theme with very precise details, plus fear of death and failure to live until career completion mixed with love -- for Erika. The poem leaps like an atomic grasshopper, huge leaps. It made me want to read this poet's whole work. At any rate, thanks to everybody for sending these poems. If I was to edit a journal called Geography & Poetry, I would put all these poems in. I hope others will vote. Right now there is one vote for Skip Fox's strange prose poem on Arizona (he doesn't like it), and one for Michael Rothenberg on Miami. Perhaps we are drawn to the heat! It's going to snow two feet in the Catskills today. I'll announce the overall winner on Tuesday at some point. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:50:10 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Lipman, Joel A." Subject: Re: Places Contest Voting Begins Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Comments: cc: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "You Are Here: The Journal of Creative Geography" publishes poems, = photography and articles on specific sites and places, with each = contributor's text located by exact lines of longitude and latitude. = Writers of place poems might want to check it out:=20 You Are Here/The University of Arizona/Harvill Building, Box 2/Tucson, = AZ 85721. Email urhere@u.arizona.edu; http://geog.arizona.edu/youarehere.=20 The editor's Jennifer Shepherd. JL -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group on behalf of Kirby Olson Sent: Sun 12/14/2003 3:40 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Cc:=09 Subject: Places Contest Voting Begins Ok, the voting has begun on the places contest. So far I have only one vote tallied. This vote is for Skip Fox. The voting works like this -- you can vote for anybody except yourself, and you get one full vote if you entered a poem in the contest, and half a vote if you didn't. The voting will end at midnight tomorrow night on Monday (I'm figuring that a lot of people can only open their email from school, so I wanted to give Monday to vote). I'm now going to offer some commentary on selected poems, because I actually like to read commentary on poetry better than poetry (this is weird, I know, but I love commentary, even in basketball, again more = than the game itself) -- and this is partially an attempt to bring out the commentator in others -- I'll announce my vote at the end -- I found it hard to judge because quite frankly there was an = embarrassment of riches. I was very happy to receive Francis Raven's two poems right away to open the contest. I read them very carefully, and then did a = web search for this poet, and found out that we both went to Evergreen State College and that he/she (there appear to be this name listed as a poet under both genders, but maybe this is two separate poets, or maybe we're back to the transgender conversation): I especially liked Bayview Wetland -- this poem reopens the question of whether an objective = reality exists and whether we can know it aside from language -- a conversation dear to many. Does the SF Bay Wetland have an independent existence outside of Francis Raven's poem? "95 percent of SF bay wetlands destroyed. Bay also a third smaller. Where did that water go?" I like the factual data (is all date theory-determined?), followed by = the lyrical question. 2. Because I am not Canadian I didn't get the references in Rob McLennan's poem. I don't know the manx pub, and don't watch hockey, and don't know Kathleen Edwards, so couldn't grasp this poem, but I could picture the snow and the cold in the accompanying letter. 3. Keri Thomas' Buffalo-oriented poems -- I could picture coming closer to town and the radio getting clearer. That was a strong image 4. Martha Deed's poem on Bowmansville was great -- nice jumps, with = good precise details, and interesting humor at the end. 5. I wondered if Ken Rumble's poem about Lyme was where the Lyme's Disease came from. I didn't understand the last line about leaning due to hills, but I guess they are walking on the sides of hills and trying to compensate. This is the level on which I read many of the poems. I didn't take it = to a larger theoretical level. I read them for information, but was delighted by Kevin Hehir's funny formatting, and was delirious about hsn's list of leaping names. Samaria! Also, some of the poems left out a lot of information. Mairead Byrne's poem leaped some thirty years and I needed the interim info, but it made me wonder about the caesura there. Rosalie Calabrese's poem I tried some theory on -- it's about an individual on Fire Island in mid-summer. You get a plover (what's that? I know it's a kind of bird, but I don't think it's a symbol of anything, but the ending is a kind of merger with the shore line -- where land and sea intermingle. Also, there is a boom box that interrupts -- could = this be intermingling of races (I'm assuming Calabrese is Italian from the name, and the boom box is African American, but it needn't be) there might also be gender in this, or even class. Plus you could do an ecological reading of it. Somehow I loved the merger in the end -- it was quite lovely. But I'm voting for Michael Rothenberg -- his leaps are the weirdest = while maintaining a perfect tone -- the poem seems almost anonymous and yet personal -- opening with a fear of death, but you get Miami Vice type images -- "lightning/ pasted on black sky, high-rise hotels" and "blighted palms, coral ruins" -- so there's an interweaving of a huge theme with very precise details, plus fear of death and failure to live until career completion mixed with love -- for Erika. The poem leaps like an atomic grasshopper, huge leaps. It made me want to read this poet's whole work. At any rate, thanks to everybody for sending these poems. If I was to edit a journal called Geography & Poetry, I would put all these poems = in. I hope others will vote. Right now there is one vote for Skip Fox's strange prose poem on Arizona (he doesn't like it), and one for Michael Rothenberg on Miami. Perhaps we are drawn to the heat! It's going to snow two feet in the Catskills today. I'll announce the overall winner on Tuesday at some point. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:06:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Idolatry- to continue the conversation with a quote. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "All theism is idolatry, since expression signifies it, thereby freezing = it; except if, somehow, its discourse refutes itself and so becomes = atheistic. In other words, the paradoxes of language and its meanings = are such that the only discourse possible about God which is not = idolatrous is an atheistic discourse. Or: in any discourse the only God = that is not an idol is a God who is not God." H. Atlan, "Niveaux de = signification et ath=E9isme de l'=E9criture." in, Le Bible au pr=E9sent. = Paris, 1982.=20 __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon = =20 Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Online archive: www.unm.edu/~reality ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:21:41 PST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ashley D. Edwards" Subject: Robin Blaser contact info? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline If anyone has Robin Blaser's contact info (an e-mail address will suffice), could you please backchannel? Thanks! Ashley Edwards ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:31:23 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Idolatry- to continue the conversation with a quote. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mainstream Christian thought on iconography sees Jesus as a theophany of Go= d -- or as a representation of God on earth (this is not to say that he lac= ked substance, as he was also a man, and suffered as a man) but that since = God had Himself made a representation or a likeness, that it is therefore p= ermissable for us to do so as well. This is a very troubled history of cou= rse, and I mostly know only the Lutheran side of it, and some of the postmo= dernist Catholic Pierre Klossowski's take on this. Sergei Michalski -- a Polish scholar -- has an excellent book on som= e of the various Christian positions in regards to iconography. Orthodox J= ews take literally the first commandment to Moses against imagery of any ki= nd. Many Christians do not take it literally. Luther specifically counter= manded it and said that art and artists were free to do exactly as they lik= ed, and that art had nothing to do with theology or salvation, that they we= re in separate categories. This is an immense tradition encompassing thousands and thousands of books -- and all kinds of= schisms and splits and loopholes. Augustine and Tertullian are two of the= most interesting commentators, but even to fully understand one of them is= a lifetime's work. -- Kirby Joel Weishaus wrote: > "All theism is idolatry, since expression signifies it, thereby freezing = it; except if, somehow, its discourse refutes itself and so becomes atheist= ic. In other words, the paradoxes of language and its meanings are such tha= t the only discourse possible about God which is not idolatrous is an athei= stic discourse. Or: in any discourse the only God that is not an idol is a = God who is not God." H. Atlan, "Niveaux de signification et ath=E9isme de l= '=E9criture." in, Le Bible au pr=E9sent. Paris, 1982. > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > Joel Weishaus > Visiting Faculty > Department of English > Portland State University > Portland, Oregon > > Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > Online archive: www.unm.edu/~reality ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 16:02:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Derek R Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: Idolatry- to continue the conversation with a quote. In-Reply-To: <000201c3c28b$da15a480$aafdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Joel quoted: ..| All theism is idolatry... What use are idols to those who have faith? Indeed, if you are justified by idols then you have your reward. (God is not mocked.) A reading of the very short Galatian letter (in the NT, only 3-4 pages) explains this with clarity. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:12:02 -0500 Reply-To: Reed Altemus Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reed Altemus Subject: FARRAGO magazine #3/4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Issue #3/4 of FARRAGO magazine is finally out epistolary and visual poetry and art 62 artists/poets from 19 countries 8.5X11" 128 pages, many in color $10US postagepaid to: Reed Altemus P.O.Box 52 Portland,ME 04112-0052 USA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 21:03:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Phil Spector Christmas Album and Jewish Poets Live Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit please forward ------- Olive Juice Music and Boog City Holiday Party Sat. December 20, 9:00 p.m., $7 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NYC 13 NYC musical acts reinterpret the classic holiday album A Christmas Gift for You From Phil Spector White Christmas Derek Richmond Frosty The Snowman Bad Teenage Moustache The Bells Of St. Mary Knot Pinebox Santa Claus Is Coming To Town Aaron Seven Sleigh Ride Peter Dizozza Marshmallow World The Leader I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus Phoebe Kreutz Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer Schwervon! Winter Wonderland Trouble Dolls Parade Of The Wooden Soldiers Recording Angels Christmas (Baby Please Come Home) The Domestics Here Comes Santa Claus Brer Brian Silent Night Huggabroomstick With readings of Jewish-themed work by Jewish poets Nada Gordon, Bob Holman, Erica Kaufman, and Ian Wilder We'll also be lighting the menorah for the second night of Chanukah A portion of the proceeds will go to a charity helping to prevent domestic violence. Hosted by Olive Juice Music head Matt Roth and Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum For further information call 212-842-BOOG (2664) or email editor@boogcity.com Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:00:38 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Phil Spector Christmas Album and Jewish Poets Live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DAvid Wish I could make your DEc 20th event but I'll be spendig the holidays with my son and family in Marylnd. Will be thinking of you, and do have a happy holiday. 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A different different side side of [sound Ray V V Under Barenaked the Ladies Stars, Under Sondheim, Stars, Ray , Embraced William This Concept Year Embraced by This Buddha Year (By (By , Tom Sondheim Waits Tom WouldThis Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Nick Piombino's ::fait accompli:: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ::fait accompli's:: stocking stuffers -books published in 2003- "these are a a few of my favorite things" also, Paul Valery, Stephane Mallarme and Walter Benjamin as bloggers please visit ::fait accompli:: http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com 60,000 hits since 5/24/03 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:04:06 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog on Ice Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Gabriel Martinez' homage to Michelle Kwan Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Poetry & page size Hilda Doolittle's End of Torment & the question of Undine Alfred Starr Hamilton Surrealism of the street Velocity & range in poetry - The example of Michael McClure Fifteen Fleas by Michael McClure Cheers for David Baratier - Rodney Koeneke on a contest with integrity Magazine design as an expression of a stance toward content Lisa Jarnot's Black Dog Songs Problems of prizes - Economics & clutter Poetry from Milwaukee: Bob Harrison & the poets of Gam A note on hospitals http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:45:12 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Happy Holidays! from Elliot Torres/ Five Years of Solitary/ New Book announcement/QV Magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear readers, Well as this year is drawing to a close I just want to thank all of you for the emails and support I have received in the past year and since the release of Five Years of Solitary. It has been an incredible journey so far and I hope you have enjoyed the ride. If you haven't purchased the book as of yet...hopefully you will soon and they make the perfect stocking stuffers, at $10.95 its equivalent to a drink or two depending where you live and you don't have to worry about waking up hung over next to someone you have to throw out the morning after. You will just have my words. You know I had to throw the plug in there. Well if you enjoyed Five Years of Solitary, you will enjoy my second book which is scheduled for a Summer 2004 release. I have been busy at work on it and working on several photo shoots for the website and promotion for the upcoming book. The second book is a continuation of FYS (September 1999-Present). Thatís all I will mention for now...the rest I will keep a mystery until the Summer. So be sure to return to the website soon. New content, photos, and sections will be added early in the new year. Be sure to check out the new issue of QV Magazine. http://qvmagazine.com/qv31/ They interviewed me and we spoke about Five Years of Solitary, love, relationships, my likes and dislikes and everything else in between. It can purchased nationwide at retailers such as (Tower Records, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Hastings, and Books million). Happy Holidays and may you have a happy and healthy New Year. Much Love, e http://www.ElliotTorres.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 09:30:13 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Lauryn Hill disses Da Pope Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/19482.php Lauryn Hill disses Da Pope By Philip Pullella VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - American singer Lauryn Hill, from a stage used by the Pope, shocked Catholic officials at a concert by telling them to "repent" and alluding to sexual abuse of children by U.S. priests. The broadside came during the recording Saturday night of a Christmas concert attended by top Vatican (news - web sites) cardinals, bishops and many elite of Italian society, witnesses said. Hill made her comments when taking the microphone to sing at the concert, held in the same huge hall and stage Pope John Paul (news - web sites) uses for his weekly general audiences and other events. The Pope was not present. "I did not come here to celebrate the birth of Christ with you but to ask you why you are not in mourning for his death inside this place," she said according to a transcript of her statement run by the Rome newspaper La Repubblica. A spokesman for Prime Time Productions, the concert's organizers, said the newspaper's quotes were accurate. "God has been a witness to the corruption of his leadership, of the exploitation and abuses ... by the clergy," she said. This was an apparent reference to the scandal in the United States last year over the sexual abuse of children by priests. Hill told the crowd to seek blessings "from God not men" and said she did "not believe in representatives of God on earth." A few feet away in the front row sat five cardinals, including Edmund Szoka, American governor of Vatican City. Hill, 28, did not sing the song listed on the program but instead sang a song about social injustice. Organizers said Hill's outburst and performance would most probably be cut from the show when it is aired on Christmas Eve. Hill shot to fame in the mid-1990s with band The Fugees, whose album "The Score" sold 17 million copies, to become one of the biggest hip-hop chart successes of all time. She went on to win five Grammy awards for her debut solo album, "The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill." She has a son and daughter by Rohan Marley, the son of Reggae legend Bob Marley. http://www.en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Miseducation_of_Lauryn_Hill -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:01:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Re: Places Contest Voting Begins Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Realizing that new lineations and a newer comma notwithstanding, I = flouted the rules of engagement by sending "a truly old poem indeed," I = nevertheless offer the following as my personal criterion for selection = - a poem about place in cadence and form need embody the ineffable = character of said place, without lapsing into the symbolic (so the = cheesesteakness of Philadelphia would not work but how faucets in a = Peorian summer are wrung tighter than a cow's ass in flytime might). By = that code, my ballot reads: Michael Rothenberg (with Kevin Hehir as vice = president).=20 Incidentally, does anyone have Williams, "A Place (Any Place) to = Transcend All Places," written in reply to Stevens's "Description = without Place," handy?=20 -RS=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:09:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron McCollough Subject: GutCult's New Issue (finally) Comments: To: Adam Clay , ahsahta ahsahta , aimee@crowdmagazine.com, Alan Halsey , Allegrezza , Andrew Foster , Andrew Lundwall , Anne Waldman , Antoine Wilson , Arielle Greenberg , bedient@mail2.humnet.ucla.edu, Ben Lerner , BottaT@aol.com, Braad Fliss , Brenda Hillman , brent armendinger , Catherine Daly , Cathy Wagner , charles allison , Cheri Peters , Chris Emery , Christine Hume , cole swensen , Conduit , Corinne Lee , dbeach@artic.edu, dustin hellberg , Editor , editor@eratiopostmodernpoetry.com, editor@octopusmagazine.com, editor@raintaxi.com, elzarob@attbi.com, Ethan Paquin , E-VERSE RADIO , Geraldine Monk , Glenn Storhaug , James Shea , Janet Holmes , jen@saltpublishing.com, jerhardt@attbi.com, John Atkinson , John Kinsella , John Latta , John Tranter , John Wilkinson , Jonathan Minton , "Joyelle H. McSweeney" , Karla Kelsey , Kincaid Mills , "L. Fishman" , Lewis Robinson , lisa isaacson , LIT Magazine LIT , "M. Kasimor" , Mark Levine , Martin Corless-Smith , Matthew Vollmer , Max Winter , michael farrell , Michael Palmer , Minmer@aol.com, Moosepolka@aol.com, postpran@juno.com, Raymond Farr , Raymond McDaniel , Rebecca Wolff , Robert Fuglei , Rupert Loydell , "S. Keith" , Sarah Mangold , selby32@attbi.com, shane-mccrae@uiowa.edu, Sheila Murphy , Sikelianos@aol.com, spencer short , stub smith , Susan Wheeler , Terry Bain , thomas_lisk@ncsu.edu, Trish Walsh , Utopical@aol.com, "Vernon, Alex" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All- I'm pleased to announce that the new issue of GutCult is now up and = running. http://www.gutcult.com This installment includes a special West House Books anthology edited by = Alan Halsey, featuring some of the most compelling and remarkable voices in recent = poetry from the UK (as well as some not so recent voices and some voices = that aren't from the UK). Translations of Blaise Cendrars...poems from = Richard Caddel...Geraldine Monk...David Kennedy...Kelvin Corcoran...and = many more. As usual, there are also sections of US prose and poetry, including = prose from Lee Klein...Antoine Wilson...and others, and poetry by Lisa = Fishman...Max Winter...Lance Phillips...and many others. Finally, the new issue includes an epistolary sequence between Lance = Phillips and Catherine Wagner on the "Self-Perpetuating Text." GutCult is a biannual web-based literary magazine. Please keep an eye = out for our next installment which will include an Australian poetry = section edited by Michael Farrell. If you do not wish to be included on this list, please let me know with = an email subject heading "remove from list." Best Wishes- Aaron McCollough ****************************************************** Aaron McCollough Poetry Editor, GutCult "If you have any music that may not be heard, to't again" -- Othello 3.1=20 ****************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:09:04 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Parousia Comments: To: Britpo Comments: cc: PoetryEspresso@topica.com, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More or less in a finished state (there is though a map near the middle with its legends not yet in attendance) is a middling-long poem/ poem-sequence by my good, bad or indifferent self, entitled, um, Parousia. It's almost a detective story, except .... and could be seen as something metaphysical, but for .... while there is case for arguing that it .... it certainly though is .... There are occasions on which it rhymes. But fortunately few. Interested parties may check in via the link on my main page: http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:17:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: palm Comments: To: wryting Comments: cc: rhizome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "Thinking in Java," by Bruce Eckel The Project Gutenberg Book of English Verse "The Brothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostoyevsky "The C Programming Language," Kernigan and Ritchie "Death Text," Jim Leftwich The PHP Manual Sybex, MCSA-MCSE, .NET Jumpstart: Computer and Network Basics Jeffrey Little, "Milk Duds From The Homeworld" ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:50:50 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Ottawa's Literary Environment MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT --------------------------- OTTAWA’S LITERARY ENVIRONMENT IS NOW ON-LINE NATIONAL CAPITAL LETTERS (http://capletters.ncf.ca) is a site dedicated to Ottawa’s rich literary history and to the promotion of the city’s current vibrant scene. Our quarterly installments will showcase Ottawa’s writers, readers and literary venues, as well as provide a point of intersection for local literary activism, events, communication and commemoration. Our first issue features over a dozen articles including items on the Ottawa International Writers Festival, Janet Lunn, the Ottawa Literary Club of 1870, an anthology launched in support of the Kids Help Phone, and much more. The editors welcome submissions of articles, interviews, book reviews, literary manifestos, and any discourse on writers or literary events related to Ottawa. We also welcome feedback at ottawaliterary@yahoo.ca or capletters@ncf.ca. -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 15:57:38 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: GutCult's New Issue (finally) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aaron, Can you use this I wrote for my granddaughter: Apples Apples amply fall. Folderol. Apples fall amply Foldimply. Saddam out of his Spiderhole Into the light of day. Hooray! Politics as usual In play. Imply apples fall Folderol. Apples amply fall. So let's sit and chomp. I have several more if interested - I'm teaching her a word a day. tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:27:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard D Carfagna Subject: A Seasonal Meditation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following poem was inspired by a 'discussion' I had with my mother in law (visiting for the Holidays) on the legalization of marijuana. Can you guess what side of the argument I was on ? Of Relativity & Tolerance Look at the ills marijuana has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills alcohol has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills big business has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills drugs have caused society... "Let's outlaw them !" Look at the ills sexuality has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills anger has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills music has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills oil has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills books have caused society... "Let's outlaw them !" Look at the ills government has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills religion has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills the environment has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills imagination has caused society... "Let's outlaw it !" Look at the ills people has caused society... "Let's... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:27:53 -0500 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: two things you probably won't see in stores Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT 2 new(ish) publications from above/ground press celebrating 10 years in 2003 ----- The Peter F. Yacht Club, a writers group magazine featuring work by Stephen Brockwell, Anita Dolman, Laurie Fuhr, rob mclennan, Clare Latremouille, Melanie Little, James Moran & Peter Norman, as well as Artie Gold, Suzanne Zelazo & Rob Budde. back cover graphic by Tom Fowler. edited & published by rob mclennan. $5. September, 2003. produced in an edition of 200 copies. next issue: to be edited & published by Anita Dolman ===== drop magazine / produced irregularly by Jack Purcell Community Centre & above/ground press for poetry workshops run by rob mclennan with people living with mental illness. four issues (so far). $3 each. with poetry by Damian Firth, Paul Thornton, Nina Hagan & rob mclennan. produced in editions between 200-300 copies. edited by rob mclennan. ======= note that neither magazine accepts unsolicited submissions. published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' complimentary copies of each. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Meredith Quartermain, Larry Sawyer, John Barton, Claudia Lapp + others. payable to rob mclennan. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 13:53:17 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: PoetrySz:"demystifying mental illness" New Issue Out Comments: To: poetry_sz@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The twelfth issue of PoetrySz, an e-zine featuring the work of people with mental illness, is out. This issue features work by Stephen Mead, Colin van Der Woude, Christopher Barnes, and Dave Ruslander. And Special feature of visual poetry by Uruguay artist Clemente Padin. Please check it out at: http://www.poetrysz.net Submissions for subsequent issues are welcomed. Send 3-6 poems in the body of your e-mail to poetrysz@yahoo.com __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:01:19 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Places Contest Voting Begins MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The voting at 4:59 pm on Monday is: Skip Fox 1 Michael Rothenberg 3 Martha Deed 1 I hope others will still vote, but I am going home now and won't count them until tomorrow. I am particularly interested in other viewpoints in terms of criteria. I liked all the poems, but limited my discussion of them simply because I find it difficult to read long posts in cyberspace, so was trying to be brief. I could have written twenty pages on most of the poems, I'm sorry to say. I just love to comment! I hope this calls forth the commentator in others, yet. I loved the Nyack poem yesterday -- the blinking yellow lights -- I cross through Nyack whenever I hit NYC and love the great Catholic church up on the hill to the left as you cross the bridge from West to East. I even love how decrepit it looks. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 17:31:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: FW: Rebirth of Krazy Horse Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Hello everybody, > >I just wanted to let everyone know that if you >are still looking for a christmas gift for >someone. My book "The Rebirth of Krazy Horse" >might be a good choice. The book is $15 and comes with a >cd. I know this is a shameless plug but i've got a lot of >copies collecting dust and my goal is to get these books out >to as many people as possible. If you could forward this >email to anyone that might be interested i would greatly >appreciate it. I've included a brief description about the >book below for those who may not know about it. > >Anyone interested in ordering "The Rebirth" can feel free >to contact me at 518-427-6122 or victorio@sunstillrising.com > >peace and respect >victorio reyes > >THE REBIRTH OF KRAZY HORSE >-Poems for the struggle > >by Victorio Reyes > >Join Victorio Reyes in his first book, The Rebirth of Krazy >Horse: Poems for The Struggle. Fueled by the death of his >parents in his early twenties, Victorio takes on the heavy >and beautiful task of searching his soul. He uses the art of >poetry to connect his pain to his ancestors and all of mama >nature?s creatures. This fiercely political book speaks to >the long history and current reality of oppressed people. > >The Rebirth of Krazy Horse also comes with a spoken word CD >so you can hear the passionate voice behind this powerful >collection of poetry. > >Price: $15 > > _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:41:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: heir conquers me above your great-wind! I INSIST ON ORIGINALITY IN YOUR MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII heir conquers me above your great-wind! I INSIST ON ORIGINALITY IN YOUR BLESSING-OFFERING TO ME. How would you define your boat? SAILOR, WHERE ARE YOU SAILING?:The Transform and Freedom of the Natives shall guarantee our troth. - Your boat is blasphemy unto the Lord. - Your great-wind shall convert in truth and not in false demand? STOP MOCKING ME IN THE NAME OF THE LORD. great-wind I have turned back the WIND. Of the freedom they insist they are Caucasian. Of the disturbed elements.:The Transform and Freedom of the Natives:THE IMPARTIAL THIRD SCRIPTION OF THE LORD.:THE IMPARTIAL THIRD SCRIPTION OF THE LORD. Does The Transform and Freedom of the Natives replace your heir conquers me above your great-wind! I INSIST ON ORIGINALITY IN YOUR BLESSING-OFFER- ING TO ME. How would you define your boat? SAILOR, WHERE ARE YOU SAILING?? heir, of WHOM? heir your conquers great-wind! me I above INSIST your ON great-wind! ORIGINALITY I IN INSIST YOUR ON heir ORIGINALITY conquers IN me YOUR above BLESSING-OFFERING would TO you ME. define How your would boat? you SAILOR, define WHERE boat? BLESSING-OFFERING SAILOR, TO WHERE ME. ARE How YOU and SAILING?:The Freedom Transform of and the Freedom Natives of shall the guarantee Natives our shall YOU guarantee SAILING?:The our Transform troth. blasphemy - unto Your the boat Lord. is - blasphemy Your unto great-wind Lord. troth. great-wind boat convert demand? in STOP truth MOCKING not IN false NAME demand? OF STOP convert MOCKING in ME truth THE not NAME in OF false LORD. back have Of turned the back freedom WIND. THE Of LORD. freedom I they have insist are are Of Caucasian. the disturbed Transform elements.:The and Natives:THE THIRD IMPARTIAL SCRIPTION THIRD OF SCRIPTION THE LORD.:THE of Does Freedom The of replace Does BLESSING-OFFER- your ING define SAILING?? you heir, WHOM? ___ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:59:51 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: POETRY READING AT MLA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roberto Tejada and Rae Armantrout are hosting a group reading by poets visiting MLA. This event will take place Sunday, the 28th, from 6:00 to 8:30, to be followed by a reception and book signing. It will be held at the Museum of Contemporary Art Downtown on 1001 Kettner St. (at Broadway), just a few blocks from the convention. Readers include David Antin, Rae Armantrout, Susan Briante, Joshua Clover, Michael Davidson, Richard Deming, Stacy Doris, Dan Featherston, Gloria Gervitz, Carla Harryman, Nancy Kuhl, Mark McMorris, Laura Moriarty, Eileen Myles, Jena Osman, Ted Pearson, Peter Ramos, Joe Ross, Jerome Rothenberg, Juliana Spahr, Lorenzo Thomas, Pasquale Verdicchio, Barrett Watten, and Liz Willis. This reading is sponsored by the UCSD Center for the Humanities and the UCSD Department of Literature. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:53:50 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Elrick Subject: Alan Davies and Tom Orange in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SEGUE READING SERIES AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB We are very disappointed to announce that Jeff Derksen, who had been scheduled to read, will not be able to make it on Jan 3. However, the fantastic Alan Davies (!) will be reading with Tom Orange. Please come out and join us Also, please note there will be no readings on Dec 20 and 27. January 3: Alan Davies and Tom Orange Alan Davies is author of many works including the poetry books Rave (Roof, 1994), Candor (O Books, 1990), Name (This, 1986) and Active 24 Hours (Roof). Recent chapbooks include Sei Shonagon (Hole, 1995), and an untitled collaboration with the photographer M. M. Winterford (Zasterle, 1994). Signage, a collection of writings on and about poetry and poets was published in 1986 by Roof. Originally from Canada, Davies has lived in Boston and is currently living in New York. Tom Orange co-curates the "in your ear" reading series at the District of Columbia Arts Center. He maintains and edits the dcpoetry.com Website and anthologies, and he teaches periodically in the English Department at Georgetown University. 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ SATURDAYS FROM 4 - 6 PM $5 admission goes to support the readers Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:21:03 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press U.S. Silences Another Of Its Frankensteins: White House: Capture Of Hussein Reassures Halliburton Investors: Halliburton Thefts Knocked From Front Page By Glitzy Arrest: More Smoke Blown Up Public's Ass For Quiet Grift Of That $36 Trillion In Iraqi Oil: Cheney For Hussein---Iraqis Suggest Swapping Thugs Detroit Celebrates By Offering To Saddamize Your Car For $144.95 by Hans Suleiman The Assassinated Press Saddam Hussein We Presume: Americans Pleased With The Capture Of Anyone With A Face The Media Has Taught Them To Recognize: Dick Cheney Remains Unidentifiable In Seclusion: White House Chief Of Stink, Karl Rove: Can You Spell Propaganda Bonanza?: "Practice What You Screech:" Limbaugh Accuses Hussein Of Hypocrisy For Not Going Down In a Hail Of Subpoenas---I Mean Bullets: Detroit Celebrates By Offering To Saddamize Your Car For $144.95 by Omerta Bovine The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:01:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: - from jennifer - MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII - from jennifer - in jennifer an jennifer orthogonal jennifer chain, jennifer each jennifer unit jennifer vector jennifer stands jennifer alone space jennifer is jennifer emptied jennifer for jennifer it, jennifer weakened jennifer beyond jennifer any jennifer other jennifer measure suicide jennifer is jennifer my jennifer friend the jennifer ridges jennifer of jennifer the jennifer vectors jennifer cut jennifer deep they jennifer are jennifer tended jennifer as jennifer the jennifer nodes jennifer insist the jennifer nodes jennifer develop jennifer internally jennifer a jennifer striated jennifer intensity jennifer of jennifer insistence one jennifer can jennifer compare jennifer this jennifer to jennifer membranes jennifer which jennifer cohesively jennifer wrap jennifer around jennifer themselves or jennifer to jennifer the jennifer sinews jennifer they jennifer form jennifer around jennifer my jennifer throat or jennifer the jennifer muscles jennifer pulling jennifer under - jennifer ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:02:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/warn.jpg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/warn.jpg go to it it's just a picture it won't hurt you http://www.asondheim.org/warn.jpg try it out it always fits once i wrote a text http://www.asondheim.org/warn.jpg once i was a contender once i showed myself now i hide a global crisis http://www.asondheim.org/warn.jpg try it out try it out _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 00:31:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: The Escape, by Jo Ann Wasserman Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Futurepoem is pleased to announce the publication of: THE ESCAPE by Jo Ann Wasserman ISBN: 0-9716800-2-7 $14.00 | Paper | 136 Pages Poetry/Prose Order online from Small Press Distribution at: http://www.spdbooks.org http://www.futurepoem.com/bookpages/escape.html The Escape is book #3 in the Futurepoem series, selected by 2002/03 editors Brenda Coultas, Anselm Berrigan, Laird Hunt and Dan Machlin. "In these brilliant sestinas of assemblage and their tenuous enkomion asides, the reader is taken/taking place, as if in detailed alignment with the poet-family footage scattered over the floor and glued back warily as Wasserman constructs her map of escape from that loving tyranny. An extraordinary first book in which every utterance is compelled by the imagination's fleeing from the known." - Kathleen Fraser "The Escape is a kinetic maelstrom in which Wasserman's attention is always laconic and precise...a calmly breathless, run-on sentence that gathers information at every instant, while careening downhill...prose where diary and fiction slip around each other...a music that is intoxicating and unmistakable in its honoring of the turbulence of being alive in the not so distant present, past and future." - John Yau "There is much at stake in this book: 'motherhood, fortune, providence, the stars and then depression...the false Italy' or false anything vs. a real me or you. This book is 'round, soft, sad, expensive, pink'...it is also dark, sharp-limbed, heart-wrenching, hilarious and smart. Kafka once declared ' A book must be the axe for the frozen sea within us.' In form and in content, this is one of the bravest books of poetry I've read." - Eleni Sikelianos JO ANN WASSERMAN is the author of two chapbooks of poetry "What Counts As Proof (Sugarbooks) and "We Build Mountains" (a+bend press). Her work has appeared in The World, Grand Street, can we have our ball back? and The East Village. She is the former Managing Editor of How2, an online journal of innovative writing by women, and former Program Coordinator at The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church. She recently earned an M.F.A. in poetics from the New College of California and currently lives in New York City where she works for Granary Books. Futurepoem is supported in part by grants from The New York State Council on the Arts Literature Program, The New York Community Trust and Fractured Atlas. Donations are tax-deductible through our non-profit sponsor Fractured Atlas Productions, Inc. Futurepoem books can be ordered from SPD books, www.spdbooks.org. For more information, go to http://www.futurepoem.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:47:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ron, I e-mailed you a private response to your remarks (on your = blog) about my parents and about my writing. You did not respond. So I = will give the gist of my reply here. I pointed out to you that you are = misrepresenting my father's views and nature. You've attacked him to = other poets many times during the time I have known you, over twenty = years. On your blog, you portrayed him as a right-winger. My father is = and was always a supporter (and even active in) the Civil Rights = movement. He supports Affirmative Action. He has always favored women's = rights and job equality for women. He is not a sexist. He is pro-choice. = He opposed the Gulf War, the recent war on Afghanistan, the present war = on Iraq. He opposes the Israeli treatment of Palestinians. He voted = against Reagan, against papa and baby Bush. A person with the politics I = just described can't be called right-wing in America. Further, he is a = good father. Two friends responded to your comments about my parents: = One stated that months ago you were attacking my father to this = particular friend who thought "it was dirty" since, they maintained, = what does that have to do with Leslie Scalapino or with poetry? I am not = my father and can't change his views. Nor can I change your views. I = asked you: Could you change your father's views? Is your life his? The other friend who commented said: "They (Watten and = Silliman) are not attacking your father they're attacking you." I think = this is accurate. You're searching for a way to disparage the writing. = You once said to me: "You are conservative." I have never been = conservative and I will not be so limited. You've got an abusive father complex and should consider = that in yourself and dispel it (as should Watten), and not try to find = an excuse to go after a woman doing the work, while you hold her = responsible for your sense of another man's life, decisions, and views, = who is not herself. You place him in front of her and seek to undermine = her as him. Although you yourself have tremendous anger, perhaps for = perfectly good reasons (nor am I disparaging anger, which is phenomena = only, neither absurd nor criminal), you define my writing, thus limiting = it, as being detailing of the emotion of anger, every sense of insult = and humiliation. As I described to you: Particularly in earlier writing, = I was strongly influenced by Gandhi's views of non-violence and I sought = to make writing which peeled apart social formations in the instant of = their forming, or before they form, without leaving them out of the = writing, thus including the emotion of anger and including = pre-conceptions. By entering the action of reading, the reader is in it = seeing there is no such generalization as "humiliation" in the sense = that: that which is coming from others is not oneself. My gesture is: to = undercut force by not basing the writing on a stance of 'strength' even, = except that which arises from the act of attention. One other person made a comment to me about your blog: = "Ron Silliman seems to be like a right-wing commentator on one of those = right-wing talk shows. He says he is left-wing but he demonstrates no = goals, beliefs, or actions that are left-wing." =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:20:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you've hit on the weakness of blogs. There is no need for publishing dissent. tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:05:22 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Syllogism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Aa. triumphalsim Po. blog blog blog ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 09:21:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: ailanthus jennifer a weed wandering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ailanthus jennifer a weed wandering i mouthy will mouth, open and and my close vagina my runs mouthy your mouth, skin vagina open runs and your close skin my nikuko, our fleshy will flesh, be our your starlings fleshy be nikuko, in your flesh and they quite ailanthus their quite and warm 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jennifer _ _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:57:43 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: dim plum In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" sea fuchsia aqua papaya drab blanched old orchid almond wood goldenrod lace orange smoke pale saddle thistle lime fire azure rose chartreuse slate antique olive puff spring peach blush khaki brick silk dark teal coral floral royal steel shell cream dim plum whip powder dodger silver flower wheat cadet light midnight mint hot forest ghost peru honeydew snow pale spring rose lace misty almond navy sky old brick linen slate cream ghost tan sea corn drab aqua fire drab dim salmon silk /Karl-Erik Tallmo __________________________________________________________________ KARL-ERIK TALLMO, poet, writer, artist, journalist, living in Stockholm, Sweden. MAGAZINE: http://art-bin.com ARTWORK, WRITINGS etc.: http://www.nisus.se/tallmo/ __________________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:28:56 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: teaching gig in bc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT The Department of Theatre, Film and Creative Writing at the University of British Columbia invites applications for a tenure-track Assistant Professor in the writing of poetry. An MFA or related graduate degree, or an MA or PhD with a major component in Creative Writing, is essential. The candidate should have a record of excellence in teaching in Creative Writing, a significant publication record which should include no less than three books of poetry, and an impressive history of public readings. The candidate should have a genuine interest in a wide variety of poetic styles and techniques in order to deal with the diversity of work from students at the graduate and undergraduate levels in the Creative Writing Program at UBC. A demonstrated capacity to translate work from other literary traditions and an ability to use translation as a tool for the development of writing techniques would be useful: previously this position has involved teaching literary translation. A further interest or experience in editing and managing a literary magazine would be an asset because the successful candidate might eventually be expected to contribute as Advisory Editor to our literary magazine, PRISM international. We offer workshops in the writing of poetry, fiction, non-fiction, children’s literature, literary translation, screen & TV, stageplay, lyric and libretto, and radio play and features. Please consult the Program website www.creativewriting.ubc.ca for details. This position is subject to funding, and salary will be commensurate with qualifications and experience. Applicants should send a letter of application along with their curriculum vitae (including e-mail address and telephone numbers), list of publications, teaching experience, readings and all related experience, and should forward three reference letters from national, and, ideally, international, sources (including at least one from a senior academic) to Chair, Search Committee for Poetry, Creative Writing Program, The University of British Columbia, Buchanan E-462 –1866 Main Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada, V6T 1Z1. If sending by courier the address is Buchanan E-462 – 1866 East Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada V6T 1Z2. Complete applications and letters must be received by 28th January, 2004. The position start date is January 1st, 2005. The University of British Columbia hires on the basis of merit and is committed to employment equity. We encourage all qualified persons to apply; however, Canadians and permanent residents of Canada will be given priority. Applications should identify citizenship and immigration status. -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:39:11 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: AMBogle2@AOL.COM Subject: Scalapino Comments: cc: leslie.scalapino@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Poetics: As a poetics list reader for almost three years (usually without much to add or post) and as a reader who initially read every post (every post!) for a month, I want to report that Leslie Scalapino's post from today woke me up from my reticence (if that's what it is) or woke me along the lines of writing (perhaps what I write or why I write or how I write) and also: along the lines of our fathers. I, too, had a good father, and now he is dead. He died in 1992, while I was still studying at University of Houston in the Ph.D./M.F.A. program in fiction. He was a chief ally in my writing, in endeavor itself. On one of our Saturdays he called and asked, "Do you know who this Clarice Lispector is?" He had started riding the bus, tired of his two-hour commute from the suburbs, and wanting the exercise of walking. He had befriended, while reading fiction by women authors on the bus, a man who was a translator of Clarice Lispector, who rode the bus to the U of Minnesota. Yes, I had heard of her; I had even taught her. I was thinking, Lispector is too weird for my father to be mentioning on the phone and, people at my school don't even know much about her, yet he does. He had traveled on business several times to South America and had taken Spanish before the trips to be able to participate. These are things I left out of my self-presentation in Houston. Rarely were the descriptions of people's fathers complicated. Each woman said it once, and everyone remembered it forever: "doctor," "movie producer," "came over on the Mayflower." I was quiet on the topics of the past probably because I had already written a novella based on childhood and thought I was done with that. By the next summer (1991) I had been scouring for "guides," books that would let me categorize something I had been writing myself. I wanted to know that what I was writing WAS categorizable, not that it wasn't, because I was having a breakdown writing it. I felt that just knowing that it belonged somewhere in a tradition would help me buck up (under the scrutiny of the class who had categorized my short stories as "experimental"). No one else was having a breakdown while attending. Later I heard that one woman had had a breakdown (and been to the hospital) after an Illinois state supreme court ruling against her for having used someone's real first name in one of her short stories and a man had had a novelist's breakdown during a fellowship year. Years afterward, well out of it, I found, a little late, Lispector's CRONICAS, a collection of short "intimate" essays published in a major Brazilian newspaper, Journal do Brazil (collected and translated decades later by New Directions). Perhaps what I wrote in the early 1990s was most like that, though I had written without an audience, and she had written for a huge audience, Saturday readers. My father was a microbiologist who visited my fourth-grade class to teach the children about germs, about how germs collect on their fingers, even after they wash, and how these germs incubated in petri dishes and grown in augur sprout fungal clouds, each one a little different like fingerprints. He handed back the kids' germs in the petri dishes on a return visit (the dirtiest of the kids, the baddest of the boys, did not seem riled then by their overgrowths; they thought their germs were THE coolest because the MOST or the BIGGEST). This is the type of memory I wonder about in considering autobiography now: If the children grown were to remember my father's visit to the school, would they remember it as a dirty trick or as a lesson: Germs are all around us, washing only does away with some of them, and some germs are even good or normal. For a prize, he gave each kid a bottle of Tame cream rinse that he had brought in a box from his company, Gillette. He was inventing Fathers-in-the-Schools. He was not doing evil university research or stashing the kids' germs or itemizing them in any way. It was a lab science lesson before we were quite old enough to have lab science. As it happens, I have been reading Leslie Scalapino's AUTOBIOGRAPHY this very week, and I have been filled with the images and vivid scenes of it, even though they are so economically traced. The father, in fact: When he speaks, he SOUNDS in it. Ellen Goodman published a column about stiletto shoes last week, reminding every one of footbinding. The column ends, "Ginger Roger did everything Fred Astaire did, but she did it backwards in high heels." Goodman does not connect, as Scalapino does in her autobiography, that a foot-bound woman was of a higher class, perhaps never intended to labor. Perhaps footbinding protected her from ever having to labor and was meant almost as an "excuse" not to labor. There is a foot-bound laboring woman in the autobiography, someone too old who has somehow slipped out of her class. From Silliman's blog about Scalapino's Autobiography: [Scalapino's] Autobiography is for all its marvels also an accounting of every slight, each humiliation, especially in/of childhood. When I found these notes at Silliman's blog two months ago or so, I was looking for references to Scalapino as also a fiction writer (references that had been coming out recently). His sentence excited me. I felt familiar enough with her poetic mind and positions, and I wanted to read what "angry" autobiography was in her hands. Reading it this week, I couldn't remember where I had read that about the Autobiography. I wasn't feeling it the way I had looked forward to it being, full of each slight. There are mentions of responses to racist teachers in the public school and of hurt emotions that make the young author fight tears in school -- emotions caused by having felt free while traveling, even when in a baking-hot poverty zone, by comparison to being caught in a structured place "at home." These don't read as "slight" to me; they read as constructing how a sensitive person responds early on to slights against others or as empathy. Ann Bogle ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 10:47:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael J Kelleher Subject: Hibiscus Room/Just Buffalo Winter/Spring Schedule Comments: To: core-l@listserv.buffalo.edu, ubuweb@yahoolists.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit January Rosemary Kothe and Tim Bienkowski Reading and book signing Wed., Jan. 14, 7 p.m. Talking Leaves Elmwood, Free Local authors read from newly published works, Ashes of Remembrance by Kothe and Postcards by Bienkowski. Slipstream Editors: Livio Farallo, Robert Borgatti and Dan Sicoli Reading Fri., Jan. 30, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Since 1980, Farallo, Borgatti and Sicoli have edited Slipstream. Sicoli’s published two chapbooks are Pagan Supper and the allegories. Borgatti’s documentary of performance poetry “in/word/out” was aired on PBS. Farallo curates open readings for Just Buffalo. February Melissa Ragona and Kyle Schlesinger & Thom Donovan Multi-media poetry event Fri., Feb. 13, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Melissa Ragona's recent poetry has appeared in CRAYON and KIOSK. Installations SCREENTEST and ESSAY #33 showed at Florida Atlantic University and Carnegie Mellon University. She is working on a book-length manuscript, From Radio Ear to Granular Voice: The Sound of Experimental Film. Kyle Schlesinger, poet and printer, is author of The Perishable Press Limited (P/RBC 2003). Moonlighting, a collaboration with painter Nathan Ethier is forthcoming in 2004. Thom Donovan is Ph.D. candidate in Poetics at UB. Mantle, a collaboration with Kyle Schlesinger, has recently appeared in Aufgabe and Antennae. Wheez Von Klaw Comic book arts installation and live reading Fri., Feb. 13, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Author of the locally produced comic book Henry Fahtmonger, Wheez Von Klaw works at Mondo Video. March Tatiana de la Tierra Reading and book release: FOR THE HARD ONES: A LESBIAN PHENOMENOLOGY Fri., Mar. 5, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Tatiana de la Tierra is the author of For the Hard Ones: A Lesbian Phenomenology (Calaca/Chibcha Press, 2002), and a chapbook, Porcupine Love and Other Tales from My Papaya (Chibcha Press, 2003). Erotica An Open Reading Fri., Mar. 12, 7:30 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Just Buffalo curator Karen Lewis continues her local writers series, presenting an open Erotica Reading. All are welcome to attend and present short erotic works. Ammiel Alcalay & Nick Lawrence Reading Wed., Mar. 24, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Ammiel Alcalay is a poet, translator, critic and scholar. His latest work, from the warring factions (Beyond Baroque, 2002), is a book length poem dedicated to the Bosnian town of Srebrenica. Nick Lawrence’s poetry and prose have appeared in Grand Street, Talisman, Object, Lyric&, Mirage, and Ecopoetics, among other magazines. He is the author of the chapbooks Timeserver and Decolonizing the Child. John Brandi World of Voices Residency Mon. Mar. 29 – Fri. Apr. 2; Various locations. Call 832-5400 for details. John Brandi is an artist and poet, author of thirty-six books of poetry, including Heartbeat Geography: selected and uncollected poems 1966-1994 and most recently, In What Disappears, both from White Pine Press. His paintings and collages are in collections worldwide. April Lisa Jarnot and Jonathan Link Reading Fri., Apr. 16, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members Lisa Jarnot is author of Some Other Kind of Mission (Burning Deck), Ring of Fire (Salt) and Black Dog Songs (Flood Editions). Jonathan Link is Managing Editor at Slope Editions and is currently working on an MFA at The University of Massachusetts Amherst. Buffalo/Williamsville Poetry, Music and Dance Celebration, featuring Yusef Komunyakaa Thu. Apr. 22, 7:30 p.m., Montante Cultural Center at Canisius College, Free Williamsville and Buffalo Schools present A Poetry, Music and Dance Celebration. The event features poet Yusef Komunyakaa, winner of the 1994 Pulitzer Prize, jazz singer Pamela Knowles, dancer Aleta Hayes, and student composers, dancers, and poets from the Buffalo and Williamsville School Districts. An Evening with Ed Roberson Reading and Conversation Apr. 23 Fri., M, 8 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members One of the most unique and important poets writing in America today, Ed Roberson is the author of Atmosphere Conditions (Sun & Moon), winner of the National Poetry Series, chosen by Nathaniel Mackey; Just In/ Word of Navigational Challenges: New and Selected Work (Talisman House Press,1998); & Voices Cast Out To Talk Us In (Univ. of Iowa, 1995), winner of the Iowa Poetry Prize. May WNY Writing Project Reading Fri., May 7, 7:30 p.m.; The Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Tri-Main Center, 2495 Main St., Ste. 512, $4, $3 student, $2 members The Western New York Writing Project, an affiliate of the National Writing Project, is a four week writing intensive summer institute for teachers invited to become writing project fellows. Members of the project will give a reading. Susan Rich World of Voices Residency Mon. May 10 – Fri. May 14 Various locations. Call 832-5400 for details. Susan Rich is the winner of the PEN West Poetry Award and the Peace Corps Writers Poetry Award for The Cartographer’s Tongue, Poems of the World¸ published by White Pine Press. She has worked as a staff person for Amnesty International, an electoral supervisor in Bosnia, and a human rights trainer in Gaza. Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 fax info@justbuffalo.org www.justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 07:50:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffre Jullic Subject: which '03 journal was Jackson Mac Low's Stein piece in? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Out of the many, many literary journals I've bought this year, most of them through spdbooks.org, there was one that had sections from Jackson Mac Low's recent Gertrude Stein ~Tender Buttons~ re-working. ---But, for the life of me, no matter how I'm rummaging through my stacks of '03 journals, I can't seem to determine which journal it was in. Does anyone happen to recall which '03 journal it might've been that published that Mac Low? Thanks. (Front-channel preferred, please.) Jeffr __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:50:51 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: bill marsh Subject: San Diego Poetry Guild *Year in Ideas* In-Reply-To: <22.40d32809.2d0fa4f7@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spawned last January, SDPG (http://sdpg.blogspot.com) is pleased to announce the 1st Annual Year in Ideas: Bright notions, bold inventions, genius schemes & mad dreams that took off (or tried to) in 2003. With the year now drawing to a close, the San Diego Poetry Guild looks back at the year through an unusual lens: ideas. We conscripted a team of researchers and reporters to investigate the latest thinking in every subject imaginable -- not just poetry, politics, and plagiarism but also alchemy, assembly, and puppet technology -- and to bring back the most innovative, intriguing, mystifying and promising ideas they could find. Although the predictable big thinkers are represented here -- Walter Benjamin, Ivan Illich, Dziga Vertov, Lyn Hejinian, and Johnny Cash -- an unusual proportion of this year's crop of ideas comes from lone-wolf thinkers of one stripe or another: basement tinkerers, armchair philosophers, mad scientists. This blog, then, is not just a compilation of some of the year's most significant and thought-provoking ideas. It's also a salute to the schemers, oddballs and other unorthodox geniuses toiling away in their labs and libraries, their classrooms and blogospheres, bent on changing the world armed with nothing but a brand-new big idea. Entries include: Performance Publishing Bad Student Essays, Vol.1 Fence V6 N1 Score 18 Sin Puertes Visibles Of Blogs Why Arnold Should Be Governor Assembly Poetics (Militant Learning, Late Night With Walter Benjamin, and others) Excential Texts 1-6 Blog Field Reports 1-5 (Fait Accompli, Equanimity, Ululations, Lime Tree, Texture Notes) You Say You Want a New Emotion The Semi-Living Artist Phrasal Appraisals Action w/ Poetics Tactical Revisions Confessions Convivial Productivity Escaping the Garret Annotating the Obvious Plagiarism Files 1-7 Taking a Line Break Butterfly: A Parable Assembling the Writer Writing Under Duress Drop Lit. Take Comp. Merlin's Meritocracy Report from the Front Lines of Oprah Signs, Signs, Everywhere Post-Poetry Poetics Live Reading On Campus The Future of Poetry All About Reading Sociopoetics for a New Century Parenthetical I.D. Only Non-Authors Plagiarize Why Blog? Why a Guild? And be sure not to miss the new SDPG "Third Column," an exciting array of photos, images, doodles, and drawings operating somewhere between journal and journalism. http://sdpg.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 11:54:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: siamese surge...creative collaboration Comments: cc: star@poeticinhalation.com Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) hello friends :-) we wish everyone a cozy holiday season and hope you find time in your busy schedules to take a poetic break...please enjoy... siamese surge gallery features poetic collaborations by... hammond guthrie and stew albert garin cycholl and william allegrezza john m. bennett and jim leftwich eileen tabios and andrew lundwall http://www.poeticinhalation.com/siamese.html artist spotlight... jodiann m. stevenson is an artist and teacher featured in volume 3 issue 6 of the tin lustre mobile...please be sure to read her creative writing and visit her webpage to view her art http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i6.html http://www.bowlofmilk.com/ feature poem... 12/15...leon smith 12/8...ira cohen http://www.poeticinhalation.com/featurepoem.html poetry is center stage in washington dc...please check out pi/tlm event information for 2004... http://www.poeticinhalation.com/eventinformation.html peaceful cheers... star and andrew :-) co-founders & editors of pi and the tin lustre mobile http://www.poeticinhalation.com/ home of the creative alliance http://www.poeticinhalation.com/creativealliance.html members of the independent press association http://www.indypress.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:26:51 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Places Entrants -- Michael Rothenberg won the Places contest, but there were many more backchannel votes -- and this one at least agreed that I could forward her comments, after excising the name. So I've done that. As you can see, Kevin Hehir gets her vote. It's too bad -- I don't think writers should take their poems personally, or others comments on them personally. A poem is a vehicle, like a car. If it takes somebody some place, that's good. If it doesn't, or if the doors fall off, you might want to know this, and build a better car. It's just a vehicle, and feedback helps you build for speed or beauty or whatever your values are. At any rate, I thought these were intelligent and pithy comments, so here they are. Thanks so much to everyone for joining my contest, and congratulations to Michael Rothenberg, whose poem about Miami takes the cake! -- Kirby > I had some comments about entries, but lest I should be seen as slighting > someone or currying favor -- (I don't know any of these poets personally, > and only a few by reputation, so the exercise of commenting is rife with > land mines I fear.) Safer to give my opinions backchannel. Feel free to > excise my name and put them on line if you would like. > > I loved reading these poems as a whole. Some I thought were great, but > didn't fit the rubric you set of new poems, so I eliminated those, much > as I enjoyed them, such as Ravi Shankar's Lake Forest, Illinois. What a > delicious poem that is. How well it captures the place. I especially > like the image "two mothers debate the merits of cash/mere versus the > pragmatism of wool" and ". . . these suburbs were so safe/they were > lethal" . . . > > Mairead Byrne's Connection also captivated me. I am envious. So much > imagery and feeling packed into a few lines. This was a close second. > > My personal favorite was Kevin Hehir's The Foghorn. Every line works. > The imagery is unexpected from the beginning "a mitten covered yawn" > evokes the foghorn, the outside/inside/outside references draw me through > the poem smoothly. Yet the tone is smooth, almost understated, again, > mirroring the sonorous foghorn in the night. This one delighted me. > > Thanks for organizing this, Kirby. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:52:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Kirby, I second the thanks (Mairead who came second for one poet, thank you very much). I had just made a note to read through the poems again today, and vote, when I read your post stating curtains. Kirby, aren't Leslie Scalapino and Ann Bogle's posts wonderful enrichments to your earlier thread about poet's fathers/mothers? Let's have more poems and lines of poems! I almost feel we're in a big old poetry mansion, each in our room, scribbling away under the bed or in the tub. Or maybe we're more of an Advent calendar .... Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 15:12:42 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This is probably the last argument I should get into, but I was wondering= why Leslie Scalapino didn't dismiss Silliman's attack as falling into th= e flimsy structure category of the ad hominem argument? This is another = way of saying that this is name-calling. I teach freshman composition, a= nd one of the rules is that you can't do this because it is considered ir= relevant. I use this wonderful book by Connie Missimer called Good Argum= ents. In the chapter called Flimsy Structures, she discusses Ad Hominem,= and gives several examples of it. "The author was guilty of an ad hominem argument when he impugned Ms. Man= ners's reputation instead of discussing her ideas" (p. 178). "It's a shame when the discussion sank to the level of ad hominem argumen= tation. Dislike of a person's affiliations is not relevant to the issue"= (p. 178). In short, as Missimer puts it, "An ad hominem attack is the discounting o= f another person's ideas by discounting the person instead of showing why= the idea is not good. The name-caller is off the issue." "The assumptions beneath the conclusion that name-calling is a pitfall ar= e, as always, that everyone is a member of the community of thinkers and = no one should be excluded. Of course, the people we want to exclude are = the people whom we dislike. With so many juicy things we can say against= our neighbor, it's often easier to backbite than to bother with the argu= ment at hand." (all from p. 178) That Scalapino however accepts that it is wrong for her father not to be = a leftist, but that even if he was, it would not taint her, since she wou= ld have been unable to change his ideas, is right. I also like that she = clearly loves her father. But the whole problem of the ad hominem attack= is what's so wrong about American academia now. Unless you have one pos= ition you are considered unworthy to be heard. Is that right? It's the u= nderpinning of both arguments and seemingly both agree that this is the c= ase -- that unless you are leftist 24/7 on every topic you should be sile= nced. -- Kirby Olson Leslie Scalapino wrote: > Dear Ron, I e-mailed you a private response to your remarks (on your bl= og) about my parents and about my writing. You did not respond. So I will= give the gist of my reply here. I pointed out to you that you are misrep= resenting my father's views and nature. You've attacked him to other poet= s many times during the time I have known you, over twenty years. On your= blog, you portrayed him as a right-winger. My father is and was always a= supporter (and even active in) the Civil Rights movement. He supports Af= firmative Action. He has always favored women's rights and job equality f= or women. He is not a sexist. He is pro-choice. He opposed the Gulf War, = the recent war on Afghanistan, the present war on Iraq. He opposes the Is= raeli treatment of Palestinians. He voted against Reagan, against papa an= d baby Bush. A person with the politics I just described can't be called = right-wing in America. Further, he is a good father. > > Two friends responded to your comments about my parents= : One stated that months ago you were attacking my father to this particu= lar friend who thought "it was dirty" since, they maintained, what does t= hat have to do with Leslie Scalapino or with poetry? I am not my father a= nd can't change his views. Nor can I change your views. I asked you: Coul= d you change your father's views? Is your life his? > > The other friend who commented said: "They (Watten and = Silliman) are not attacking your father they're attacking you." I think t= his is accurate. You're searching for a way to disparage the writing. You= once said to me: "You are conservative." I have never been conservative = and I will not be so limited. > > You've got an abusive father complex and should conside= r that in yourself and dispel it (as should Watten), and not try to find = an excuse to go after a woman doing the work, while you hold her respons= ible for your sense of another man's life, decisions, and views, who is n= ot herself. You place him in front of her and seek to undermine her as hi= m. Although you yourself have tremendous anger, perhaps for perfectly goo= d reasons (nor am I disparaging anger, which is phenomena only, neither a= bsurd nor criminal), you define my writing, thus limiting it, as being de= tailing of the emotion of anger, every sense of insult and humiliation. A= s I described to you: Particularly in earlier writing, I was strongly inf= luenced by Gandhi's views of non-violence and I sought to make writing wh= ich peeled apart social formations in the instant of their forming, or be= fore they form, without leaving them out of the writing, thus including t= he emotion of anger and including pre-conceptions. By entering the action= of reading, the reader is in it seeing there is no such generalization a= s "humiliation" in the sense that: that which is coming from others is no= t oneself. My gesture is: to undercut force by not basing the writing on = a stance of 'strength' even, except that which arises from the act of att= ention. > > One other person made a comment to me about your blog: = "Ron Silliman seems to be like a right-wing commentator on one of those r= ight-wing talk shows. He says he is left-wing but he demonstrates no goal= s, beliefs, or actions that are left-wing." > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:02:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Everybody, Thank you for being so kind about Grasshopper. I think this is the first time I've won a contest since I was 12. I hope to continue in this vein. It's cloudy here today. I hope it clears up. Love, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mairead Byrne" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments > Dear Kirby, I second the thanks (Mairead who came second for one poet, > thank you very much). I had just made a note to read through the poems > again today, and vote, when I read your post stating curtains. Kirby, > aren't Leslie Scalapino and Ann Bogle's posts wonderful enrichments to > your earlier thread about poet's fathers/mothers? Let's have more poems > and lines of poems! I almost feel we're in a big old poetry mansion, > each in our room, scribbling away under the bed or in the tub. Or maybe > we're more of an Advent calendar .... > Mairead > > > > > www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:37:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: CFP for MSA 6 - Vancouver Comments: To: hdsoc-l@uconnvm.uconn.edu, modbrits@listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu, tse@lists.missouri.edu, h-amstdy@h-net.msu.edu, modernism@lists.village.virginia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MSA 6 - Vancouver, BC October 21-24, 2004 CALL FOR SEMINAR AND PANEL PROPOSALS Deadline for Submission of Seminar Topics: Monday, February 23, 2004 Deadline for Submission of Panel Proposals: Monday, May 3, 2004 Please note: *=09All who attend the MSA conference must be members of the organization with dues paid for 2004. =20 *=09MSA rules do not allow participants to lead a seminar and present a paper at the same conference. Participants may, however, present a panel paper and participate in a seminar, or chair a panel and lead a seminar.=20 *=09MSA rules do not allow panel organizers to chair their own session. Organizers are encouraged to identify a moderator and include this information with their panel proposal, but the MSA Program Committee is also able to help you secure another conference attendee's service as moderator. Please see the announcement of MSA's new event, "What Are You Reading?", at= the end of this message.=20 CALL FOR SEMINAR LEADERS Deadline: Monday, February 23, 2004=20 Participation of conferees in seminars is one of the most significant features of the MSA conference. Seminars are small-group discussion sessions for which participants write brief "position papers" that are read and circulated prior to the conference. Seminars generate lively and valuable exchange during the conference and in some cases have created a network of scholars who have continued to work together. The seminar format also allows most conference attendees to seek financial support from their institutions as they educate themselves and their colleagues on subjects of mutual interest. Seminar Topics There are no limits on topics, though seminars that address the conference theme of Other Modernisms/Modernism's Others are particularly en= couraged. Past experience has shown that the more clearly defined the top= ic and the more guidance provided by the leader, the more useful the disc= ussion has been to people's individual projects.=20 If you would like to know what kinds of seminars have been selected in the past, go to the "Conference Archives" page on the MSA website (http://msa.press.jhu.edu/archive/archive.html), click the link to a prior conference, and then click on "Conference Schedule" or "Conference Pr= ogram." You'll find seminars listed along with panels and other events. Proposing a Seminar Seminar proposals must include the following information. Please assist us by sending this information in exactly the order given here: * Use as a subject line: MSA 6 SEMINAR PROPOSAL / [LAST NAME OF SEMINAR LEA= DER] * List the seminar leader's name, institutional affiliation, discipline or department, mailing address, phone, fax, and e-mail address * Provide a current curriculum vitae for the seminar leader * Give a brief description (up to 100 words) of the proposed topic * Note: Seminars are two hours in length Submit proposals by February 23, 2004 to: Kate Scheel, Department of English, Simon Fraser University Email: msa6@sfu.ca Seminar proposals must be submitted by email. Seminars will be selected in late March 2004. Leading a Seminar Seminar topics will be listed on this website in late March with instructions on how to enroll in the seminars. To promote discussion, the size of seminars is limited to a maximum of 20.=20 Leaders may, at their option, invite one or two individuals to join the seminar in some special role. Some leaders will wish to share the work of reading and responding to papers with the invited participants; others will simply want to assure a high standard of discussion by involving scholars whose work they know to be important for their topic. Please note that invited participants will not be specially listed as such in the conference program; nor will MSA cover their registration fee and travel expenses. E-mail addresses for all seminar registrants will be provided to seminar leaders in May.=20 At that time, leaders should:=20 * Initiate communications by e-mail, introducing themselves and providing addresses to all participants * Set guidelines for the seminar, which might include questions to be addressed, reading to be done, and a specified length for the position papers (normally 5-7 pages) * Set firm deadlines, no later than September 3, 2004 for the actual exchange of papers * Exchange and read papers during the 6-7 weeks before the conference * Plan the seminar format (MSA will provide guidance, but leaders are, within reasonable limits, free to use the two-hour time period as they see fit) CALL FOR PANEL PROPOSALS Deadline: Monday, May 3, 2004 There are no limits on topics. Panels that address the conference theme of Other Modernisms/Modernism's Others are encouraged. Particularly welcome will be panels that focus on Canadian modernism; Pacific Rim modernisms; African-American modernism; global modernisms; gendering modern= ism; queer modernism; modernism and identity; and modernism and nationali= ty.=20 Proposals for panels must include the following information. Please assist us by sending this information in exactly the order given here: * Use as a subject line: MSA 6 PANEL PROPOSAL / [LAST NAME OF PANEL ORGANIZ= ER] * Session title * Session Organizer's name, institutional affiliation, discipline or=20 department, mailing address, phone, fax, and e-mail address * Chair's name, institutional affiliation, discipline or department, and contact information (if you do not identify a moderator, we will locate one for you)=20 * Panelists' names, paper titles, institutional affiliations, disciplines or=20 departments, and contact information * A 250-word abstract of the panel as a whole MSA policy on panels:=20 1. No participant may present more than one paper at one conference, and no participant may both present a paper and lead one of the conference's se= minars.=20 2. We do not accept proposals for individual papers.=20 3. We encourage interdisciplinary panels, and discourage panels on single authors.=20 4. We encourage panels with three participants. Panels of four and=20 roundtables of five or six will, however, be considered.=20 5. Panels composed entirely of participants from a single department at a single institution are not likely to be accepted.=20 6. MSA does not allow panel organizers to chair their own session. If a panel proposal does not include information about a moderator, we will assume you need us to locate one for you.=20 Send panel proposals by May 3, 2004 to: Kate Scheel, Department of English, Simon Fraser University Email: msa6@sfu.ca Panel proposals must be submitted by email. Panels will be selected in early June. NOTICE OF NEW CONFERENCE EVENT: "WHAT ARE YOU READING?" In accordance with its goal of continuous innovation in conference programming, the MSA will introduce a new kind of discussion group at the Vancouver conference. "What Are You Reading?" is designed to take advantage, in a productive new way, of the presence in one place of modernist scholars from many locations, institutions, and fields. Each ninety-minute "What Are You Reading?" forum will consist of 8 to 10 pa= rticipants and a moderator. Led by the moderator, each participant will report for a few minutes on a recent scholarly or critical book in modernist studies, sketching the work's content and explaining why she or he found it exciting to share with other scholars. After all have presented, the moderator will lead an open discussion in which clarifications can be sought, connections drawn, and suggestions for yet further reading offered. A major goal of "What Are You Reading?" is to foster interdisciplinarity by exposing participants to work in modernist fields other than their own. Each forum will therefore be designed to maximize diversity of specialty, ideally bringing scholars of visual art together with literary critics, musicologists together with historians, students of European culture together with experts on the Pacific rim, and so on. "What Are You Reading?" is meant to facilitate the sharing of exciting new scholarship. It is not intended primarily as a venue for discussion of primary texts or works, for self-promotion, or for the enacting of intellectual conflicts. Participants will therefore be asked not to present on primary texts or works (though new editions and catalogues are welcome), their own publications, or scholarship they did not substantially admire. To participate, all you will need to do is check the appropriate box on your MSA registration form and name a book you might be interested in presenting. MSA registration will begin mid-April; look for announcements at that time. Please note that you will have to register by 1 September to be included in "What Are You Reading?" You will be notified of the time and location of your forum in late September. There is no need to submit any proposal or paper in connection with this event, nor do you need to contact your moderator in ad= vance. Simply check the box, receive notice of your time and location, an= d show up ready to share a book! As MSA Vancouver marks a trial run for this event, places are limited, and will be distributed on a first-come, first-served basis. If the event is as successful as hoped, more meetings will be added in future years. Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@jhupress.jhu.edu with the follo= wing line in the body: unsubscribe msa_members you@your.email.address. Or= visit this web site: http://msa.press.jhu.edu/msa_members_listserv.html Professor Cassandra Laity Co-Editor, _Modernism/Modernity_ English Department Drew University Madison, NJ 07940 Phone: 973-408-3141 Fax: 973-408-3040 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:17:37 -0500 Reply-To: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "shannacompton@earthlink.net" Subject: Able publicist looking for holiday work! Comments: cc: tennessee@softskull.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear everyone, A friend of mine is looking for freelance publicity work for the holiday season and perhaps beyond. Tennessee Jones is the Marketing Director for Soft Skull Press (as well as a writer, editor, and zine publisher) and we've worked together on a million projects. I have consistently been amazed at his creativity and drive, and recommend him without reservation. Press releases, promotions, events, marketing plans, sales kits, etc. He can be reached at tennessee@softskull.com and I'm also happy to foward any leads! Thanks! Shanna _____________________________ Shanna Compton http://www.shannacompton.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 17:07:24 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that the point was that it was an ad hominem atttack delivered with no opportunity for response since it was delivered via blog. I am looking forward to further discussion on the list as well as to the apearance of Leslie's blog? tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:35:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Subject: Autobiography & Zither Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear all, I just wanted to add to the discussion that I though Scalapino's work in the Autobiography published by Wesleyan (I've not yet read the one from FC2 but am eager to) was an exquisite evocation of childhood, and works utterly in the ways she describes in her post. I think it is a brave book. Certainly braver & more important than any blog I've seen. Also I thought her characterization of her father was loving and complex. There are instances of description of his care for her which upon reading I felt if not envious of, sad again about my own father's limitations. Anyway, she certainly does not deserve to be attacked. Quite the opposite, please. Not only is she an important writer, she is also a very generous and attentive publisher, especially when it comes to paying attention to the younger generation. I'm quite uninterested the Watten/Silliman bloc, in fact it does not concern me except where they try to quash the writers who really matter to me, of whom Scalapino is one. Elizabeth Treadwell _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:16:42 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ron Silliman is a terrific writer and a fascinating personality but he has a disturbing need to put one in one's place. For example, when he accepted my text "The Picture Window" for _In the American Tree_ he made a point of writing that it was the weakest piece in the anthology and that he was only taking it on another poet's recommendation. Years later those remarks still rankle. It's not so much what he wrote as that he needed to write it, needed to italicize my marginality, needed to place his acceptance of my work under erasure. I was heartened by Leslie Scalapino's post. It's about time that someone of her stature called Ron on his behavior. And now I will return to the spider hole of my mediocrity far away from the bright lights of the WorldWideWeb. Tom Beckett ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:00:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: seem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII there is a tangle from kukai onward, we look at ennin or earlier saichi or in china ... ah i'm tired of riding, the world's waiting at the door. those faces unnerve, they're always moving. carved wood or carved paint. seems they'll never come. just wait a little longer, daishi. look, i'll tell you something. once ... there is a tangle from kukai onward, we look at ennin or earlier saichi or in china ... ah i'm tired of riding, the world's waiting at the door. those faces unnerve, they're always moving. carved wood or carved paint. they'll never come. just wait a little longer, daishi. look, i'll tell you something. once ... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:07:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Fw: biology of suicide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom bell" To: "poetics" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:40 PM Subject: biology of suicide > Since suicide, poetry, and substances seem to receive a disproportionate > numbe of posts on this list, I thought some accurate information on the > topics might be of interest: > > > Identifying Neurobiological Correlates of Suicide Risk in Depression > by Maria A. Oquendo, M.D. > > Psychiatric Times December 2003 Vol. XX Issue 13 > > Patients suffering from depressive disorders, particularly those with > a history of suicide attempt, are at increased risk for future > suicidal acts. Neurobiological studies of suicidal behavior have > investigated anomalies that distinguish suicide attempters and > completers from individuals who are depressed but do not engage in > any suicidal behavior. To aid in the development of a predictive > model in which both biological measures and clinical instruments are > used to identify those at risk for future suicidal acts, studies have > focused on biological correlates of behavioral and other factors > identified by clinical studies as indicative of higher risk for > suicidal behavior, such as aggression/impulsivity. > > Neuroendocrine challenge and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) studies > suggest that suicide attempters have decreased function in the > serotonin system (Malone et al., 1996; Siever et al., 1984; Virkkunen > et al., 1989). Among individuals with depression, high-lethality > suicide attempts are associated with even lower serotonergic function > (Malone et al., 1996; Mann and Malone, 1997). Neuroendocrine > challenges and CSF measures are, however, unable to provide specific > information about the anatomical location of abnormality. So far, it > is known from studies mapping postmortem serotonin receptor binding > that cortical serotonergic abnormalities associated with suicide are > localized to the ventral prefrontal cortex (PFC) region of the brain > (Arango et al., 1997). Positron emission tomography (PET) studies > offer a distinct advantage over previous methodologies, allowing for > more precise in vivo identification and study of the activity of > brain regions that differ in those who have survived a suicide > attempt of high lethality, compared to those surviving a > low-lethality attempt. Given the findings of CSF and neuroendocrine > studies with respect to differences in serotonin levels between high- > and low-lethality attempters, PET studies of high-lethality > attempters would be expected to reveal pronounced differences. > > In a recent study, my colleagues and I examined regional brain > glucose metabolism with placebo and after administration of > fenfluramine (Pondimin), a serotonin-releasing drug, in order to > discern regional differences in glucose metabolism associated with > serotonergic activity between high- and low-lethality depressed > suicide attempters (Oquendo et al., 2003). Changes in metabolism, > which include both increases and decreases, reflect changes in > neuronal activity, owing to the surge of serotonergic activity caused > by fenfluramine. The changes can occur in both directions because > serotonin has both inhibitory and indirect excitatory effects in > different brain regions. These differences in response by different > brain regions due to serotonergic activity can be visualized with PET. > > See the rest at: > > tom bell > > Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS > > Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com > http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 > 9c05fdadd > > Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > > Write for the Health of It course at > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar > http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 > not yet a crazy old man > hard but not yet hardening of the > art > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:39:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: my first male MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII my first male >From root@localhost.localdomain Mon Dec 15 09:11:15 2003 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 07:26:06 -0500 From: root To: root@localhost.localdomain Subject: LogWatch for localhost.localdomain ################### LogWatch 4.3.1 (01/13/03) #################### Processing Initiated: Mon Dec 15 07:26:03 2003 Date Range Processed: yesterday Detail Level of Output: 0 Logfiles for Host: localhost.localdomain ################################################################ --------------------- Kernel Begin ------------------------ WARNING: Kernel Errors Present end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (flop...: 4Time(s) floppy0: data CRC error: track 0, head 0...: 4Time(s) floppy0: data CRC error: track 1, head 0...: 2Time(s) hda: task_no_data_intr: error=0x04 { DriveStat...: 3Time(s) hda: task_no_data_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }...: 3Time(s) ---------------------- Kernel End ------------------------- --------------------- ModProbe Begin ------------------------ Can't locate these modules: sound-service-0-0: 2 Time(s) block-major-34: 4 Time(s) block-major-33: 4 Time(s) sound-service-1-0: 10 Time(s) char-major-81: 1 Time(s) char-major-97: 3 Time(s) sound-slot-1: 10 Time(s) char-major-188: 3 Time(s) ---------------------- ModProbe End ------------------------- --------------------- pam_unix Begin ------------------------ gdm: Unknown Entries: authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=:0 ruser=gdm rhost=localhost : 1 Time(s) check pass; user unknown: 1 Time(s) login: Sessions Opened: root: 1 Time(s) Invalid Users: Unknown Account: 1 Time(s) Authentication Failures: unknown ( ): 1 Time(s) ---------------------- pam_unix End ------------------------- Dec 14 05:02:32 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 11 Dec 14 05:02:33 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 47 Dec 14 05:02:37 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 11 Dec 14 05:04:14 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00 (floppy), sector 19 --------------------- SSHD Begin ------------------------ SSHD Killed: 3 Time(s) SSHD Started: 3 Time(s) **Unmatched Entries** RSA1 key generation succeeded RSA key generation succeeded DSA key generation succeeded succeeded sshd -TERM succeeded succeeded sshd -TERM succeeded succeeded sshd -TERM succeeded ---------------------- SSHD End ------------------------- --------------------- Sudo (secure-log) Begin ------------------------ ============================================================================= root => root ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ /usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -e install SOAP::Lite ---------------------- Sudo (secure-log) End ------------------------- ###################### LogWatch End ######################### ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 00:43:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dharma MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII the http://www.asondheim.org/ hiei series of 3 saichi, ennin, kukai dharma assignations ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:06:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: UbuWeb Subject: Village Voice: Jaw-Dropping Sound Poet Christian Bök Comments: To: ubuweb MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From this week's Village Voice: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0351/park.php Congrats to Xtian!!!! xoxox, KG __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:41:36 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments Comments: To: Kirby Olson In-Reply-To: <3FDF5C7B.61F380A5@delhi.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Kirby, I just wanted to thank you for organizing the places contest and for the kind comments on my poem. It's funny, I was at the Place(less) Place Gathering in Buffalo a few years ago and no one really talked about the physical space as in "You are Here". For me the place was rife with placeness. Hassled at the border. First because our folders of poems were suspected to be harbouring resumes. Second because of a prior arrest. The fact that we were told not to walk to the pub because it wasn't safe. Place was everywhere. I found with these poems I actually got a chance to hear a bit of honesty from the list. Whether we wear where we live like an old shirt or tight and pricey new shoes, it informs us. I would guess that Alan Sondheim's Florida is a lot different than Taylor Brady's (from Tampa). I too liked Ravi Shankar's poem about Illinois. It reminds me that what fascinates me about the US is not what I get from the big news services but from the local news that is beamed into Canadian houses. Did you know that they could be watching the Detroit 6 o'clock news in saskatoon? and this isn't just a product of the million channel universe. this has been like this for decades as cable in canada used to just mean american channels (NBC,ABC,CBS). anyway a bit of a ramble. i've lived in six provinces in this country and i'm not even a canadian citizen. i think about place a lot. as for the foghorn poem. when i first moved to st. john's, newfoundland i had never heard a foghorn before. It wasn't until after about two months of living there that i finally made the connection. that sound i was hearing on nights walking home from my work pod at school. that sound that was a "mitten covered yawn' was in fact the foghorn coming from the harbour. The definitive book on soundscapes is R. Murray Schafer's The Tuning of the World. i read that poem in Halifax and a fellow came up to me and told me how when he has spent time away from Halifax (another port town) he misses the foghorn. He asked for a copy of the poem. i was blown away because i grew up in saskatchewan which is about as inland as you can get in North America. i guess i got it right and i attribute that to the flaneur gene that poets have. I'd be curious to know whether the the person who commented on my poem lives by the sea. all the best, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:57:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Re: Village Voice: Jaw-Dropping Sound Poet Christian =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=F6k?= In-Reply-To: <20031217140643.83585.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" great to see such a fine review of such a fine writer! best, joe ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:40:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Is Civil War - in Iraq - looming? In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit "...Things are very frightening these days in Baghdad. Going from one area to another is like going from one city to another- the feelings and emotions vary so drastically it feels like only a matter of time before we may see clashes..." From blog, Baghdad Burning, http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ I continue to find this Iraqi guy a very good first hand reporter from Baghdad - at least from an educated, probably upper-class perspective. No one, presumably, can blog from the perspective of the Baghdad neighborhood poor. Unless we think of our own poor and middle class soldiers whose lives have been hijacked into these territories - many whom, I suspect would be very sharp on non-media-network reportable conditions, feelings, perceptions and thoughts on being there. Needless to say, I suspect it's hard to find such articulations that can escape Rumsfeld's retribution. (Any good leads on soldier's writing/blogging accurately and well??) Yes - Civil War or alternatively a US trust (!) that genuine indigenous interests want and can command a reconfiguration of democracy in Iraq. Already a hard one to imagine with US looting of Iraq's resources under the righteous claiming of the "spoils of war." (quo Haliburton, etc. etc.). It's going to be a long time before this is a "pretty mix." Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:58:28 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: futurism and dada In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII HI, I just wanted to thank everyone who sent i responded to my post about geneology of these two movements. The reason I asked is because I was reading a review in an arts mag (http://www.artsatlantic.ca/) and it mentioned that Dada was the forerunner of Italian Futurism. I only read the article quickly and i was hoping to actually have a copy before discussion happened on this list. oh well. as for Romanian super brains. i was taught by one. Calin-Andrei Mihailescu. our summer seminar schedule was made to work around world cup soccer matches. amazing command of languages and intellectual history. when I asked him to write one of my letters for admission to grad school he told me that creative people tend get frustrated but if I really wanted to go he'd support me. I was at a conference and was talking to a current comp lit student and he told me that they still talk about how Calin dominated the seminars. and he was there almost twenty years ago. cheers, kevin -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Reclaiming a "Haunted" House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did anyone listen to and/or have a problem with the following = conversation on NPR's Morning Edition? It has to do with Howard Norman = and Jane Shore and how they reclaimed the home that Reetika killed = herself and her son in earlier this year.=20 http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3D1550015 There seems to have been some sort of conscious effort not to name the = poet in question, as if Reetika was so beyond the pale of comprehension = that to name her would be to summon, as they tactlessly put it, = "demons." The anecdote about spending night in the dining room as if it = were some kind of courageous act was rather sickening and the idea of = changing all the paintings there because they were witnesses bespoke of = a kind of self-absorbed privilege and lack of compassion that really = bothered me. Certainly it's hard to deal with something like that = happpening in one's home, but I hope that I would be more concerned = about the tragedy of my friend (who was, after all, good enough to house = sit for me) than about reclaiming the space in question. Perhaps I'm = biased, but the whole discussion seemed nimby in the worst way to me. =20 -Ravi *************** Ravi Shankar Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:01:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Reclaiming a "Haunted" House In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, I heard the discussion and found it disturbing. I can understand the Norman's rage against being violated and the need to cleanse and exorcise their home space. Yet, the piece did seem built around the pathos of "important writers and family violated" rather any compassion for whatever grief that drove the poet caretaker to this self-extinguishing extreme, let alone that of her child. The Normans seemed to have been spared previous personal association with a suicide and what that investigation and sorrow may yield. My sympathies and condolences, Ravi. Stephen V on 12/17/03 10:29 AM, Shankar, Ravi (English) at ShankarR@MAIL.CCSU.EDU wrote: > Did anyone listen to and/or have a problem with the following conversation on > NPR's Morning Edition? It has to do with Howard Norman and Jane Shore and how > they reclaimed the home that Reetika killed herself and her son in earlier > this year. > > http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1550015 > > There seems to have been some sort of conscious effort not to name the poet in > question, as if Reetika was so beyond the pale of comprehension that to name > her would be to summon, as they tactlessly put it, "demons." The anecdote > about spending night in the dining room as if it were some kind of courageous > act was rather sickening and the idea of changing all the paintings there > because they were witnesses bespoke of a kind of self-absorbed privilege and > lack of compassion that really bothered me. Certainly it's hard to deal with > something like that happpening in one's home, but I hope that I would be more > concerned about the tragedy of my friend (who was, after all, good enough to > house sit for me) than about reclaiming the space in question. Perhaps I'm > biased, but the whole discussion seemed nimby in the worst way to me. > > -Ravi > > *************** > Ravi Shankar > Poet-in-Residence > Assistant Professor > CCSU - English Dept. > 860-832-2766 > shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:25:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keri Thomas Subject: Re: Reclaiming a "Haunted" House Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I did hear the story on the way to work. I did wish they had been more forthcoming about the whole affair, but I felt more that they were trying to protect privacy and memory. I think that it would be quite tramatizing to have an event such as this take place in one's own sanctuary. I didn't feel there was any disrespect made, but I thought the haunted house analogy was a bit morbid on NPR's part. I think I'd replace the portraits too, but that's just how my head works. Keri >From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Reclaiming a "Haunted" House >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:29:03 -0500 > >Did anyone listen to and/or have a problem with the following conversation >on NPR's Morning Edition? It has to do with Howard Norman and Jane Shore >and how they reclaimed the home that Reetika killed herself and her son in >earlier this year. > >http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1550015 > >There seems to have been some sort of conscious effort not to name the poet >in question, as if Reetika was so beyond the pale of comprehension that to >name her would be to summon, as they tactlessly put it, "demons." The >anecdote about spending night in the dining room as if it were some kind of >courageous act was rather sickening and the idea of changing all the >paintings there because they were witnesses bespoke of a kind of >self-absorbed privilege and lack of compassion that really bothered me. >Certainly it's hard to deal with something like that happpening in one's >home, but I hope that I would be more concerned about the tragedy of my >friend (who was, after all, good enough to house sit for me) than about >reclaiming the space in question. Perhaps I'm biased, but the whole >discussion seemed nimby in the worst way to me. > >-Ravi > >*************** >Ravi Shankar >Poet-in-Residence >Assistant Professor >CCSU - English Dept. >860-832-2766 >shankarr@ccsu.edu _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:29:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: schwartzgk Subject: Re: Reclaiming a "Haunted" House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, listening to the broadcast this morning I couldn't help but almost say to myself aloud: "What is the motivation of these two to make themselves available for this kind of demonstration?" Then I thought: "Are we so bound up in the myths of Plath and others?" Such a "reclamation", if, indeed, that is what their insensitive egos insisted on, should have been shuttered. One thing is for certain -- they may "reclaim" their house, but the world (which THEY do not inhabit) will remember and remember. My best thoughts for you as you deal with your sad ones, Jerry Schwartz Did anyone listen to and/or have a problem with the following conversation on NPR's Morning Edition? It has to do with Howard Norman and Jane Shore and how they reclaimed the home that Reetika killed herself and her son in earlier this year. http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1550015 There seems to have been some sort of conscious effort not to name the poet in question, as if Reetika was so beyond the pale of comprehension that to name her would be to summon, as they tactlessly put it, "demons." The anecdote about spending night in the dining room as if it were some kind of courageous act was rather sickening and the idea of changing all the paintings there because they were witnesses bespoke of a kind of self-absorbed privilege and lack of compassion that really bothered me. Certainly it's hard to deal with something like that happpening in one's home, but I hope that I would be more concerned about the tragedy of my friend (who was, after all, good enough to house sit for me) than about reclaiming the space in question. Perhaps I'm biased, but the whole discussion seemed nimby in the worst way to me. -Ravi *************** Ravi Shankar Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 05:31:47 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Artists' book and other goodies Comments: To: pattiemccarthy@verizon.net, christopher.mccreary@verizon.net, jukka@xpressed.org, eberrigan@hotmail.com, jon@wordforword.info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi All, Apologies for not getting on it sooner. First off, thanks to everyone who will be contributing to the artists' book project. I want to clear up a few things before we go along: the project was never meant to be distributed or reproduced. It was meant to be a collection for public use during our reading series (and as a growing donation to the Baltimore Poetic community, i.e. schools, libraries, museums, etc.) and to elicit a response in the form of contributions (this is an ongoing project, in which will document the various manners of action poets take, and to be combined in an enormous book form for public use). I'll be sending out specs as soon as possible with one exception: Rather than sending out paper gifts I'd rather folks send me their own work in the manner they deem fit, no matter what size, to be added to the growing collection. If this is still feasable, anyone who wants can send work, after january 1st, 2004, to the following address: Christophe Casamassima 8414-D greenway road baltimore, md 21234 the specs are as follows: any size paper, any style necessary that involves a hands-on approach to forming, be it pure textual or graphic or both. so, there really are no specs but hands on is crucial. Also: We're beginning a series of pamphlet size chaps, 5 1/2" by 8 1/2". If you'd like to be a part, please send work electronically or physically to the address above, anything that fit's comfortably within this size. send 4 to 6 pages of text, and any artwork you'd like to appear on the cover, black and white. Any questions? Happy holidays and not so holidays that are as yet unexplored. Ciao, Chris -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:12:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "the" weakness? why is there no need to publish dissent? CAConrad ------------- <<<<>>>>>>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:40:57 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I 'own' a blog I don't have to publish aything I don't want to publish. While this is true of other forms of publication it's most obvious when one person controls all. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog > "the" weakness? > why is there no need to publish dissent? > CAConrad > ------------- > <<<< publishing dissent. > > tom bell > >>>>>>>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:41:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit tom, i'd agree with you in part if Silliman didn't have Squawk Box. but he DOES, which means that he has taken care to be certain that anyone out there who reads a post may click on "comments" and engage with him and the rest of his readers. this is not to defend what he has said about Scalapino, but it is to defend Silliman's chosen Blog format. he's one of the few who in fact sees to it that we all have space for our say about what he says. when he publishes dissent, so can you, right with him. or against him. or even against the others in the Squawk Box. that's kind of exciting when you think about it, allowing us to all engage at will, no one filtering what is said. he's also made the effort to include links to just about every single poetics Blog in the world on his Blog. if ever you forget someone's Blog address in the poetry community, just go to Silliman's Blog, and it will be there. CAConrad ------------- <<<<<<<<<<<< If I 'own' a blog I don't have to publish aything I don't want to publish. While this is true of other forms of publication it's most obvious when one person controls all. tom >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Allen Conrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog > "the" weakness? > why is there no need to publish dissent? > CAConrad > ------------- > <<<< publishing dissent. > > tom bell > >>>>>>>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 15:18:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: response to blog Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit yeah but i'm glad that leslie (and others) posted her dissent here rather than the squawk box---- for those of us who don't read blogs on a daily basis... ---------- >From: Craig Allen Conrad >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog >Date: Wed, Dec 17, 2003, 2:41 PM > > tom, i'd agree with you in part if Silliman didn't have Squawk Box. > > but he DOES, which means that he has taken care to be certain > that anyone out there who reads a post may click on "comments" > and engage with him and the rest of his readers. > > this is not to defend what he has said about Scalapino, > but it is to defend Silliman's chosen Blog format. he's one > of the few who in fact sees to it that we all have space for > our say about what he says. > > when he publishes dissent, so can you, right with him. > or against him. or even against the others in the Squawk Box. > that's kind of exciting when you think about it, allowing us to > all engage at will, no one filtering what is said. > > he's also made the effort to include links to just about every > single poetics Blog in the world on his Blog. if ever you > forget someone's Blog address in the poetry community, > just go to Silliman's Blog, and it will be there. > > CAConrad > ------------- > > <<<<<<<<<<<< > If I 'own' a blog I don't have to publish aything I don't want to publish. > While this is true of other forms of publication it's most obvious when one > person controls all. > > > tom >>>>>>>>>>>> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Allen Conrad" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:12 PM > Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog > > > > >> "the" weakness? >> why is there no need to publish dissent? >> CAConrad >> ------------- >> <<<<> publishing dissent. >> >> tom bell >> >>>>>>>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:26:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robert Corbett Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog In-Reply-To: <7B00D602.134054C4.01F36A84@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII blogs are shops, while the list is the public square. you can control discussion in a blog, but not on list. (though a strictly monitored list becomes a mall). note: my capitalist analogies are not meant to be disrespectful, although at the moment they do seem appropriate. let us all remember that Watten and Silliman stopped posting to the list because a number of people flamed them for being who they are, not for their arguments. Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > "the" weakness? > why is there no need to publish dissent? > CAConrad > ------------- > <<<< publishing dissent. > > tom bell > >>>>>>>>>> > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:03:40 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: applet 1 Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/java/Applet1.html just mucking around with java... try typing in the fields...see what happens... not to be confused with serious java programming! associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:26:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit silliman the hegemonist? how quaint. > tom, i'd agree with you in part if Silliman didn't have Squawk Box. > > but he DOES, which means that he has taken care to be certain > that anyone out there who reads a post may click on "comments" > and engage with him and the rest of his readers. > > this is not to defend what he has said about Scalapino, > but it is to defend Silliman's chosen Blog format. he's one > of the few who in fact sees to it that we all have space for > our say about what he says. > > when he publishes dissent, so can you, right with him. > or against him. or even against the others in the Squawk Box. > that's kind of exciting when you think about it, allowing us to > all engage at will, no one filtering what is said. > > he's also made the effort to include links to just about every > single poetics Blog in the world on his Blog. if ever you > forget someone's Blog address in the poetry community, > just go to Silliman's Blog, and it will be there. > > CAConrad > ------------- > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:39:50 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: K Zervos Subject: Re: applet 1 In-Reply-To: <20031218010340.94518.qmail@web10701.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing happens - just a grey box ? komninos |||-----Original Message----- |||From: UB Poetics discussion group = [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] |||On Behalf Of Lewis LaCook |||Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 11:04 AM |||To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU |||Subject: applet 1 ||| |||http://www.lewislacook.com/java/Applet1.html ||| |||just mucking around with java... ||| |||try typing in the fields...see what happens... ||| |||not to be confused with serious java programming! ||| ||| ||| ||| |||associate editor, _sidereality ||| |||http://www.sidereality.com/ ||| |||-------- ||| |||http://www.lewislacook.com/ ||| |||tubulence artist studio: = http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| |||--------------------------------- |||Do you Yahoo!? |||New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:38:03 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larry Sawyer & Lina ramona Subject: Re: Shelley on Blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SHELLEY ON BLOGS I met a traveller from an antique blog Who said:=97Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand, Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things, The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear: "My name is Ozymandias, king of blogs: Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains: round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away. =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:11:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog Comments: To: CAConrad9@AOL.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is a bit of a sore point with me as I have asked Ron 3 times to include my blog. The first time, I guess he just forgot. The second time he said it wasn't active. The third time was just yesterday. As they say, if you have to ask more than twice you should probably shut up. Ron doesn't owe me or my blog anything. But as another power circuit, the blog thing is interesting. One poet, for personal reasons, removed my link from his list. In the case of Ron's blog, I don't mind hugely. The man is no doubt busy. But I think the claim below is dangerous and untrue: I don't consider myself outside the poetry community because Ron hasn't got around to including me on his list. Though the way these things work, that may well be so. Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> CAConrad9@AOL.COM 12/17/03 17:36 PM >>> he's also made the effort to include links to just about every single poetics Blog in the world on his Blog. if ever you forget someone's Blog address in the poetry community, just go to Silliman's Blog, and it will be there. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:02:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: copy edit & hangman nikuko by extension MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII */two works/* exercise 1 copy edit kill your children on desperation mountain kill your parents on desolation mountain laugh at the trusting eyes of husbands and wives and boyfriends and girlfriends rip them apart piss on the gardens shit in holy places burn down the house fling sulphurous acid everywhere take away the rights of the diseased cripple the elderly smash the elderly kill the old misplace kindness forget anniversaries :blaspheme falsehoods desecrate churches synagogues mosques burn forests drain watersheds pollute freely ignore the holy vows of marriage and service to country wound slowly and with malice convert to misery spread disease smash history burn and pillage unto the last extinction saw limbs gouge eyes stomp faces rip apart babies puncture the pregnant hammer the brains cut the ears scissor the cock burn the books poison the oceans hammer the air ignite the weapons fuck everyone disparage truth scandalize sanctity libel the innocent jail the innocent execute at will :armageddon is near as the world rises in inconceivable violence the annihilation of the kyoto protocol rampant disease spreading world-wide inclusive of every country and every continent massive weapons of destruction i urge you do not repent experience every murderous impulse there is little time left i beg you do not give in to misplaced kindness the rights of humans or plants or animals i abjure you do not construct impulses of the godly sort they are useless you are a waste of time you are absurd total destruction is what remains to you take what you want use it for your purposes at a hurried rate at a speedy work it is all you have your dominion is what you seize nothing else remains kill rob steal rape murder annoy ::remember the sea and its drownings remember the earth and its suffocation remember the air and its fallings remember the fire and its scorchings write remember the fire and its scorching through my kill your children on desperation mountain kill your parents on desolation mountain laugh at the trusting eyes of husbands and wives and boyfriends and girlfriends rip them apart piss on the gardens shit in holy places burn down the house fling sulphurous acid everywhere take away the rights of the diseased cripple the elderly smash the elderly kill the old misplace kindness forget anniversaries ___ hangman nikuko by extension 0;root@localhost:~Gk : cd /usr/games 0;root@localhost:/usr/gamesGk : ./hangman (B)0?0h?0h;rmOl?hHJG______ | Guessed: H|Word #: Current Average: 0.000 __|_____Overall Average: 0.000 | |___ |_________| Word: --------- Guess: nn---n Not a valid guess: '' ini Not a valid guess: '' OXGuessed: ikn Not a valid guess: '' u| Not a valid guess: '' Already guessed 'k' Not a valid guess: ouo Not a valid guess: ''!' tut Not a valid guess: '' @a| Not a valid guess: '' @ee-te Not a valid guess: '' x;0Hx Not a valid guess: '';0Hstuxs You got it!K -extension Another word? Please type 'y' or 'n'd?0l?0l?l> 0;root@localhost:/usr/gamesGk : exit __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:30:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Correction on Scalapino Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I don't know why my name was mentioned in connection with Ron's remarks on Robert Scalapino. I haven't discussed him in public, and only once with Leslie in private, sometime in the late 1980s. So--whatever else is going on here, the linkage is an *ad hominem*. Whatever Ron wrote, which I haven't seen, should be responded to on its own merits. During the Vietnam War, Robert Scalapino was well known for his support of administration policy in Vietnam--on the Berkeley campus, he was a virtual synecdoche for liberal academic complicity with the war. Ron and I were, of course, opposed to the war. The university we experienced was suffused with social and intellectual violence of all kinds. I've written on that in a piece on poetry and Berkeley in the 60s. An academic specialization of the last fifteen years is "trauma theory." Leslie's post, and even some of her work, can be placed in relation to the long-term consequences of the Vietnam War. "That war, in which we certainly could not believe, because we meant not to believe in it." One of the questions I ask in *Bad History* is, How can one ever end it? There is a vicious circle around words like "attacking" and "conservative" in her post that tries to name and distance pain and suffering but ends up continuing them. BW Some links on Robert Scalapino and the Vietnam War; there's more information easily available on other aspects of his career: http://www.mckenna.edu/mmca/temp_fn.asp?volumeFN=05&issueFN=04&articleFN=9&typeFN=s http://www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/1999/1103/scholar.html http://www.raleightavern.org/lovell2002.htm: "Scalapino proved to be one of only a handful of practicing academics, who, over the course of the war, championed positions taken either by the Kennedy, Johnson, or Nixon administrations involving matters of national security." On Berkeley in the 60s: http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/FSM.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:38:35 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan M. Schultz" Subject: Tinfish Press sale! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Begin forwarded message: > From: Susan Schultz > Date: Wed Dec 17, 2003 7:06:46 PM Pacific/Honolulu > To: schultz@hawaii.rr.com > > December 15, 2003 > > Dear friend of Tinfish Press: > > As the year ends, Tinfish Press is poised to publish four new=20 > chapbooks. > Tinfish #13, the dirty filthy & mucky issue of our journal, came out > recently, along with Zhang Er=92s Carved Water, translated by Bob = Holman. > > We also continue to wrestle with the IRS, which is evidently dealing > with more compelling matters of national security these days. Our > lawyer assures us that non-profit status will come through in the > near(?) future. > > In the meantime, the bills pile up. Please consider helping us out by > purchasing an item or two from the burgeoning list. 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Schultz > > The first three chaps will be $10 each; the last $7 OR all four chaps > for $28 > > > Susan M. Schultz > Professor > Department of English > University of Hawai`i-Manoa > Honolulu, HI 96822 > > http://maven.english.hawaii.edu/tinfish > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:13:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Boog City Needs Your Help/Discount Ad Rate is Back ** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, We here at Boog City are enjoying bringing our paper to you each month. Poetry; music reviews; Jane Sprague on small presses, Nancy Seewald on food, and Greg Fuchs on, well, everything; and our new printed matter and East Village sections. All of the editors, writers, and artists volunteer their time and energy, and we're thankful for the positive feedback we keep getting. As you may know, We rely on advertising revenue to fund the paper and to enable us to distribute it free throughout the East Village and Williamsburg in New York City. And that's why each month we've been sending this email out, asking people to advertise in the paper, and why we're sending it out, again. (and why we're also cool with donations, real cool.) Thanks for bearing with us and thanks again for your support. as ever, David ------------------- Boog City's discount ad rate is back. Our January issue is going to press on Monday, Dec. 29, and we are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies on larger ads.) Make reservations as soon as possible. Ads must be in by Fri., Dec. 26 Issue will be distributed on Tues. Dec. 30. Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. Thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:43:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Correction on Scalapino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Barrett Watten" > An academic specialization of the last fifteen years is "trauma theory." I think there is a crucial distinction between 'theory' and clinical resolution: the distance of 'theory' keeps the trauma frozen in time. My impression of Scalapino's post was that she had moved beyond this and was dealing with her father as a person rather than a frozen symbol? My brother was in Vietnam while I was in SDS so we have different experiences of the 'trauma' but we have in common that we are not for the current Bushite saga. I think this 'theory' approach to 9/11has kept the US frozen and the trauma has not been resolved clinically - I'd welcome Nick's view on this. tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:50:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Correction on Scalapino In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20031217233853.02384d30@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There is a >vicious circle around words like "attacking" and "conservative" in her post >that tries to name and distance pain and suffering but ends up continuing >them. > >BW What's a "vicious circle?" I'd agree with Tom Bell (if I understand you aright, Tom) that you're probably not qualified to practice psychotherapy. >http://www.raleightavern.org/lovell2002.htm: "Scalapino proved to be one of >only a handful of practicing academics, who, over the course of the war, >championed positions taken either by the Kennedy, Johnson, or Nixon >administrations involving matters of national security." This site is apparently kaput. I tried to check, because the assertion is simply astonishing, much as I might wish it had been true. At least at Columbia (I was there 1966-1970) there were plenty, mostly in the social sciences, who supported presidential policy to the bloody end, and plenty in the hard sciences who were more than happy to engage in secret military research supportive of those policies. And still more from all disciplines who supported "either" Kennedy's, or Johnson's, or Nixon's war "over [its] course." Note the tricky grammar. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 04:41:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: http://www.asondheim.org/ocean.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.asondheim.org/ocean.mov swallowing inert organisms leaching biospheres exemplary carbon cycles deep-sea chimneys and artificial life __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:25:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hazel smith Subject: Tom Clark email Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi folks Does anyone have an email adddress for Tom Clark. I have been given one but it doesn't seem to work! I'd be most grateful if you could backchannel me if you have one. Thanks Hazel -- Dr. Hazel Smith Senior Research Fellow School of Creative Communication Deputy Director University of Canberra Centre for Writing http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect University of Canberra ACT 2601 phone 6201 5940 More about my creative work at www.australysis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:19:02 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: print.google.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii type this into google: eliot site:print.google.com and you get this: http://www.google.com/search?q=eliot+site:print.google.com&sourceid=opera&num=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 Interesting, no? Roger. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:16:03 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: A response to Leslie Scalapino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:43:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { I don't consider myself outside the poetry { community because Ron hasn't got around to including me on his list. { Though the way these things work, that may well be so. { Mairead Thus casting those of us who remain non-bloggers into the deepest deeps of vast and cold and silent outer space. Hal You Are Not Authorized to View This Page Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:58:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: response to Silliman's blog Comments: To: halvard@EARTHLINK.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hal, I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing with me but I agree with you. Alan, you say: "This is the problem with blogs - they create reifications/classifications - one is either in or out. I keep looking for my name among Ron's topics - of course that won't occur. But his blog becomes a kind of power-filter,and the more we think about it, the more we grant it that -" I understand your desire for inclusion. Though I don't understand your simultaneous assumption that Ron will not address your work. Why do you think this is? Your work is unique and phenomenal. I was amusing myself this morning speculating on the extent of my own marginality: I am the lint on the fringe on the scarf on the margins of marginal poetry. No, I am the speck on the lint on the fringe on the scarf on the margins of marginal poetry. No, no, I am the dust-mite on the speck on the lint on the fringe on the scarf on the margins of marginal poetry. From this point I have to delve into the anatomy of dust-mites which I plan to do later today. But dammit to hell ain't I a poet? I claim my seat. That said, I have to admit the severely non-networking character of my own blog, which does not even include my email address. On the other hand, Ron and many others have developed blogs on which I would like to be listed, although that makes my blog available for ranking or exclusion. Mairead www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com >>> halvard@EARTHLINK.NET 12/18/03 08:41 AM >>> { I don't consider myself outside the poetry { community because Ron hasn't got around to including me on his list. { Though the way these things work, that may well be so. { Mairead Thus casting those of us who remain non-bloggers into the deepest deeps of vast and cold and silent outer space. Hal You Are Not Authorized to View This Page Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:50:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Trauma theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom, I hope you are not taking a dogmatic position in the old debate between clinicians and theorists. "Trauma theory" is, indeed, not a clinical approach but an interpretive method (for literature, culture, politics) that is based both in psychoanalytic literature and clinical experience. Both the major figures in trauma theory--Dominick LaCapra and Cathy Caruth--read literature, the psychoanalytic tradition, and practicing theorists, but what they do is not intended to substitute for what clinicians do in a therapeutic setting. Scalapino herself, I'm thinking particular of her work "War/Poverty/Writing," which Lyn and I published in the last *Poetics Journal*, is clearly both reflecting on and working through issues connected to trauma. Her writing on Charlotte Delbo's Holocaust journals is precisely about that. The notion that "theory" or "literary" approaches to trauma simply objectifies it is just untenable, and it's one of the reason for the *form* of Leslie's work--in which narratives are anything but objectified but multiperspectival and self-reflexive, even free-floating and dissociative. In *Bad History*, I actually used (read, cited, took lines from) trauma theory and even more to the point critical historiography--to get at questions of individual and collective narrative that were entirely involved in the narrative of the Vietnam War, which was supposed to have been ended with the Gulf War. Now, it turns out we are in another Vietnam quagmire where bodies are being blown up, where pain and suffering are being produced on a daily basis. A question I would ask is, How does contemporary clinical discourse--the discourse of healing and recuperation from trauma, very much in public discourse since 9/11--create narratives of complicity with the current war? *We* are traumatized--we are Jessica Lynch--but that ignores the trauma that *we* are inflicting on others who are not *we*. To return to Scalapino's work, much of its moral force has to do with the suffering of those who are not *us*--often as, if I read her correctly, our suffering. BW P.S. the correct link for the quote in the last post is http://www.raleightavern.org/lovell2002.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:12:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: In an Uncertain World" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: In an Uncertain World On an airplane, I saw the face of imperialism reflected in your eyes. The shrieking eagle wheels, Damascus down below--brown on brown. I'd read your piece in *Foreign Policy*, but hadn't believed a word of it. We'd find a way to commemorate the average man, you said. This is unreal, I thought. Let us pray for this man, sang the eagle, stunningly. No sentence of banish- ment that can not be reversed upon appeal to a higher court. The dead continue with their swimming motions, graced with courage and long preparation. Naked as ever, naked as air-controllers unprotected by unions. An alternative view: exterminate them like mice, don't mourn them uselessly. The furniture of home--our un- expressed fondness for it, whatever the dictators do. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:56:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: Ron's blog posts on Leslie's writing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I've read Ron's three blog posts on Leslie's autobiography several times now, and I can't for the life of me understand where anyone gets an "attack" or attempt to "disparage" or (worse) "quash" Leslie's writing from what, to this reader, seems like unqualified glowing praise. Ron reads Leslie's writing, he says, with "awe," says that she has "integrity," compares her favorably with Robert Duncan, says that she writes with "a high degree of parataxis & torque," calls the work "breathtaking," says that "commitment to truth telling may be the rarest of all human virtues, but is one that Scalapino has in spades," calls her writing both "precise" and "moving," in passing refers to a collaboration Leslie wrote with Lyn, Sight, as his favorite collaboration of all time, calls her one of the "significant" poets of the Bay Area, and describes a recent reading of hers as "the most fascinating reading I’ve been to in years. So much so in fact as I drove west out to Paoli afterwards, I tried to think of another reading that had struck me in just that fashion &, in all honesty, the one that came to mind was a trio of Friday night readings Robert Duncan gave in Berkeley around 1970 in which he read all the sections of his long poem Passages that had been written to that point." This is disparagement? An attack? An attempt to "quash" Leslie's writing? It sounds like he's describing one of his favorite writers of all time. I also don't see the word "right winger" anywhere in the blog w/respect to Leslie's father, nor did I get the sense that Ron thinks of him as one. Could someone who has spoken here against Ron's "attack" on Leslie parse out for me the negativity you're seeing in these (only apparently?) wildly appreciative blog entries? _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:23:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Trauma theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barrett, I didn't intend to be dogmatic so I'm sorry if I came off that way. I only wanted to say that my reading of Leslie's post was that through her writing (apparently) she seems to have resolved her 'trauma'. I apologize for the public nature of this, Leslie. Sorry. Is any of this trauma theory available on the web? I have very poor access to libraries. What I meant to say in a general way was that the country (in my reading of the news and views, etc.) has not 'resolved' 9/11 and probably the Vietnam trauma. perhaps this needs to be confronted if we are to move on into the 21st century? tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:45:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Trauma theory In-Reply-To: <5.0.1.4.2.20031218103019.022ddc08@mail.wayne.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I think Barry brings a strong theoretical reflective and critical mirror into the "Post-which war" historical context. Intuitively I like the metaphor of the chronological burden of the wounded body, one that refuses to heal, and one that is denied exposure and refused the opportunity to heal in the light of witness, whether that be through language or ritual action, or, inevitably the combination of both, or what poets are most likely to initially invest in the making and exposure of the book, such as in Leslie's work, the book, at its best, being an effective and persuasive cultural tool. "We", meaning those born in the United States, or those choosing to integrate one's life into the history of this country, carry an extensive shadow, whether it begins with the atomic bomb and the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or before, is inevitably subject to debate. What's clear in terms of anybody who lived through the sixties is the assassinations - in fairly rapid succession - of John F. Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy - cast the shadow both open and more deeply asunder. No matter the limits, particularly of the Kennedy's, one can say that that each of these figures was variously trying to unwrap "frozen trauma", particularly in terms of of race, and definitely in terms that re-opened black/white issues manifest going back to the Civil War, but implicit also to history of Indians, Hispanic and Asian Americans - the new political language crossing deep boundary (color, religion and class) issues into the promise of liberation of that "other" - a multiple series of sites in which much blood had been spilled in its repression. Unclothing the wound caused hysteria, particularly on the "white right" in which assassination became its wish and redemptive tool. As a consequence, there has not been one person on the Left - at least in terms of the Democratic Party - who has had the courage (under fear of death) to make any dramatic public steps towards "unclothing the wound" again, one that would also include a full acknowledgement of the infliction of nuclear death. And, as a further consequence of what might be called the Left's "assassination paranoia", the Right has risen relatively uncontested (whether one sees it in Bush, Gingrich, Cheney, the Fox Network, it's an extensive list) until, it now seems, we have (minimally) a partial military coup, a Junta, in which some like Rumsfeld and his Defense Department Associates are making major political decisions of State, incidentally, and shades of Hiroshima, resurrecting the sanctity of nuclear weapons as a tool of terror and domination. Leslie's father participated in the Viet-Nam shadow. Leslie's work is committed to abducting the shadow. One hopes, one among many, (off the top) one that includes portions of the work of Barry W. and Carl Harryman. Clearly it's step by step before the country gets to the next full scale public accounting and large encounter (a currently - to me - culturally familiar vibration of Civil War - as in both the 1860's and 1960's). The language of the approach - its syntax, (content, tone and perspectives) use and persuasive value - will be on-going debate and subject to multiple tests and constructs. Before the darkest day of the year, Stephen V on 12/18/03 7:50 AM, Barrett Watten at b.watten@WAYNE.EDU wrote: > Tom, I hope you are not taking a dogmatic position in the old debate > between clinicians and theorists. "Trauma theory" is, indeed, not a > clinical approach but an interpretive method (for literature, culture, > politics) that is based both in psychoanalytic literature and clinical > experience. Both the major figures in trauma theory--Dominick LaCapra and > Cathy Caruth--read literature, the psychoanalytic tradition, and practicing > theorists, but what they do is not intended to substitute for what > clinicians do in a therapeutic setting. > > Scalapino herself, I'm thinking particular of her work > "War/Poverty/Writing," which Lyn and I published in the last *Poetics > Journal*, is clearly both reflecting on and working through issues > connected to trauma. Her writing on Charlotte Delbo's Holocaust journals is > precisely about that. The notion that "theory" or "literary" approaches to > trauma simply objectifies it is just untenable, and it's one of the reason > for the *form* of Leslie's work--in which narratives are anything but > objectified but multiperspectival and self-reflexive, even free-floating > and dissociative. > > In *Bad History*, I actually used (read, cited, took lines from) trauma > theory and even more to the point critical historiography--to get at > questions of individual and collective narrative that were entirely > involved in the narrative of the Vietnam War, which was supposed to have > been ended with the Gulf War. Now, it turns out we are in another Vietnam > quagmire where bodies are being blown up, where pain and suffering are > being produced on a daily basis. A question I would ask is, How does > contemporary clinical discourse--the discourse of healing and recuperation > from trauma, very much in public discourse since 9/11--create narratives of > complicity with the current war? *We* are traumatized--we are Jessica > Lynch--but that ignores the trauma that *we* are inflicting on others who > are not *we*. To return to Scalapino's work, much of its moral force has to > do with the suffering of those who are not *us*--often as, if I read her > correctly, our suffering. > > BW > > P.S. the correct link for the quote in the last post is > > http://www.raleightavern.org/lovell2002.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:50:53 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Review of Kukai, Ennin, etc., for Boog - (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Review Alan Sondheim sondheim@panix.com Ryotaro Shiba, Kukai The Universal: Scenes from His Life, trans. Akiko Takemoto from Kukai no Fukei, Muse ICG, 2003: 9th-century Kukai founds esoteric Japanese Buddhist Shingon after traveling to China, the book a brilliant account of physical/body and philosophical transmission, virtual carried on the shoulders of desire and flesh. Saicho, founder of Tendai - both travel together to China, known to each other only later. Later still, Ennin, translated by Reischauer, who also writes a commentary on him, two books: Ennin's Travels in Tang China, and Ennin's Diary: The Record of a Pilgrimage to China, which occurred 838-847. Kukai was deified, more tendrils described in George Tanabe, ed., Religions of Japan in Practice. Accounts are endless, for example Bai Letian (Bai Juyi), Waley's favorite, appears in Shiba for his Chang'an (NW capital of Tang) descriptions - I found his work elsewhere in several transliterated volumes complete w/ the Chinese. There are meanderings back and forth, everyone crossing from Japan to China and back on ill-equipped and poorly-designed boats, many of which never returned. These journeys read like spirit-journeys of skin and soul; Ennin goes in Search of the Law, and his diary records Tang's Wu-Tsung's search for immortality, complete with Taoist tower, as well as his persecution of the Buddhists, almost to extinction. Later Ennin continued Saicho's work; Saicho and Kukai had a problematic relationship, with the former declaring himself a student of the latter - in Shiba, Saicho is presented as hurrying through the Sutras (much as I do), not as therapeutic (in the Freudian sense), but as knowledge; Kukai refused him a loan of some manuscripts, and, rude, the falling-out intensified. Kukai was at Koya, Saicho at Hiei, later destroyed. Of Kukai, later sainthood, legends, including his survival beneath the tomb, eternal meditation, mummification. But then there are accounts of cremation. Kukai wrote The Ten Stages of the Development of Human Mind, 830, described in Shiba, and certainly critical in the rising up and annihilation of world and consciousness; all these agreements and disagreements are a far cry from monotheism with its tired and dogmatic narratives necessitating loyalty, violence, and belief. There is always space, such as the liminality within the sculptural mandala at To-jo, founded by Kukai - who has also been credited, rightly or wrongly, with the hiragana and katakana syllabic characters (that appear related to Sanskrit, a language he knew well). Kukai also founded a university, dammed a reservoir, built on top of Mount Koya, organized and reformulated the Sutras he brought back with him from China. And within his writings and travels - and within those of Saicho, Ennin, and others - one can almost envision the origins of vision, invisibility, the accompaniment of absence, the horizons of enlightenments. Not to return primarily with the relics of Buddha (although these were also carried), but to emphasize the inscription of the world - all those sutras brought from China - as well as the necessity of transcendence. It's the letter and its erasure, a semiotic formation that has never been equaled, I think, anywhere else - and a formation that's neither Chinese nor Japanese, nor of this world, nor of any other. One might move from these books to the sutras themselves - as much as possible, I recommend the translations of Bill Porter / Red Pine, and at least glance at the Chinese and the weights and absences of the characters themselves. _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:53:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Lundwall Subject: A Poetic Inhalation / Tin Lustre Mobile Event! Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) poetic inhalation and the tin lustre mobile will present their first live reading at the thursday reading series...a joint series of the arlington county public libraries and the arlington county cultural affairs divsion on thursday january 29 2004... so far those whom will be reading that evening will be: andrew and star, perry lindstrom, kevin fitzgerald, john lawson, jennifer barnes, dan campbell, and h. amador... ...for more info on the event, contact: andrewandstar@poeticinhalation.com ...place arlington central library 1015 n. quincy street arlington, va 22207 ...date and time thursday january 29 2004 at 7:30pm best wishes, andrew lundwall Co-editor and Co-founder of Poetic Inhalation: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/ P.I.C.A.: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/creativealliance.html "boys and girls gather 'round, c'mon everybody, and dig this sound!" -- The Nation of Ulysses ---------- ---------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:10:26 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: new york city--book party for amiri baraka Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: new york city--book party for amiri baraka =================================== New York book party for Amiri Baraka/new books/spread the word/see you there HOUSE OF NEHESI PUBLISHERS in cooperation with THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB cordially invite you to a book party for The Essence of Reparations & Somebody Blew Up America & other Poems two new books by Amiri Baraka with a feature jazz performance by the Blue Ark ensemble at THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery Street at Bleeker Ave., NY, NY Saturday, December 27, 2003 7:30 in the evening For direction: 212-614-1224 (Bob Holman) Books will be available & the author will recite from his new works FREE entrance - 1 drink minimum e-mail: nehesi@sintmaarten.net website: www.bowerypoetry.com . www.houseofnehesipublish.com www.AmiriBaraka.com Books also available at www.amazon.com >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:20:06 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Trauma theory In-Reply-To: <019e01c3c594$1af80780$07e63644@rthfrd01.tn.comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Tom: We haven't "resolved" the Civil War or the Indian wars. I wouldn't be too optimistic. I'm more than a little bit leery of analyzing anyone in public, and still more troubled by doing so on the basis of writing. Freud and others have had fun analyzing the dead (yet another level of remove), but I'd suggest that they write fiction when they do so. Leonardo is beyond complaining, but the living it seems to me have every reason to be miffed. We are, after all, talking about a human life. Mark At 12:23 PM 12/18/2003 -0600, tom bell wrote: >Barrett, I didn't intend to be dogmatic so I'm sorry if I came off that >way. I only wanted to say that my reading of Leslie's post was that through >her writing (apparently) she seems to have resolved her 'trauma'. I >apologize for the public nature of this, Leslie. Sorry. > > Is any of this trauma theory available on the web? I have very poor >access to libraries. What I meant to say in a general way was that the >country (in my reading of the news and views, etc.) has not 'resolved' 9/11 >and probably the Vietnam trauma. perhaps this needs to be confronted if we >are to move on into the 21st century? > >tom bell >Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS > >Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com >http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 >9c05fdadd > >Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com > >Write for the Health of It course at >http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar >http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 >not yet a crazy old man >hard but not yet hardening of the >art ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:26:55 +0100 Reply-To: Kevin Magee Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Zachodnioniemiecka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WSZYSTKO PRAWDA p=F9aka=F9 zapomnia=F9 =FDe za oknem jedzie tramwaj pustych spojrze=F1 kiedy gdzie=FA oddech morza i =FDuk tonie kiedy mycie marmuru i krzyk obok krzyku i wszystko mo=FDliwe podczas ciebie ALL TRUE weeping he forgot that outside trams pass full of empty looks when sea's breath somewhere a drowning bug when marble is polished and cry after single cry and eveything possible during you WS=D9UCHANY W NOC tylko mrok tylko okno i szmer krople rozsnute krople stukanie tkanie tylko deszcz krosno snu i tw=F3j oddech cz=F3=F9enko NIGHT-RAPT only dark only window and rustling drops spun drops knocking weaving only rain sleep's loom and your breath the shuttle LEC=C0C PATRZ=C6 ziemia wieczorowo w czerni brylantowe miasto boa z chmur przyj=E6cie LOOKING DOWN IN FLIGHT evening earth in black diamond city cloud boa reception SZTANDAR korony or=F9=F3w szpony r=F3=FDni=E0 si=E6 ten sam wr=F3bel milczenie po pracy kt=F3re obiega ziemi=E6 w k=F3=F9ko w poczekalni dworca g=F9owy schylone pod ci=E6=FDarem s=F9=F3w co dojrzewaj=E0 BANNER eagles' crowns talons make differ sparrows all one silence after work circles the earth waiting heads in a station bowed under ripening dreams POD S=D9O=D1CEM jeden gr=F3b a=FD po niebo i nic twarze sprawc=F3w nad pochodem wci=E0=FD s=F9owa kt=F3re znacz=E0 ludzi i zdaje si=E6 =FDe nic nowego ju=FD nigdy =FDe wci=E0=FD tylko rzeki wiatr a w nas g=F9=F3d gniew i krew krew nic tylko swoje i swoje tak si=E6 zdaje kiedy tymczasem tym czasem ty UNDER THE SUN one grave through the sky and nothing doer's faces about the march and words that still mark people nothing new it seems ever again just rivers wind and in us still hunger anger and blood blood claims nothing but its own over and over it would seem when in this time this time's yours "JAKUB EKIER was born in 1961 and lives in Warsaw. His translation of Kafka's The Trial will be published in 2003 by Znak. His translations from German include poems by Paul Celan and Rainer Kunze. Currently a free-lancer, he worked in publishing during the 1990s and collaborated closely with bruLion and Tygodnik Literacki. His publications include: ca=F9y czas [the whole time]=20 (Krak=F3w-Warszawa: bruLion, 1992) podczas ciebie [during you]=20 (Krakow: A5, 1999)" These selections translated by Tadeusz Pi=F3ro and appear in ALTERED STATE Arc Publications Translations Series Nanholme Mill, Shaw Wood Road Todmordem, Lancs OL14 6DA, UK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:36:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS: Jonas Mekas' DAYBOOKS 1970-1972 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed NEW FROM PORTABLE PRESS AT YO-YO LABS ************************************* Jonas Mekas' DAYBOOKS 1970-1972 Translated by Vyt Bakaitis ******************** 80 pages, includes film stills and newspaper clippings, perfect bound "an accretion of humanistic desire, pathos and beauty is parsed by immanence and shadowed by imminence"..."gorgeous evocations akin to Basho's THE NARROW ROAD TO THE DEEP NORTH" To order: send $13 ppd. (check made out to Brenda Iijima) Brenda Iijima Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs 596 Bergen Street, #1 Brooklyn, NY 11238 $20 yields a signed copy and will verily help Portable Press persist. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:36 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Tom Clark email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been told by Andrei Codrescu that there isn't one. I was told to write to the San Francisco school where he works -- I did -- but he didn't respond. I wanted to ask permission to quote something. I ended up dropping it. -- Kirby Olson hazel smith wrote: > Hi folks > Does anyone have an email adddress for Tom Clark. I have been given > one but it doesn't seem to work! I'd be most grateful if you could > backchannel me if you have one. > > Thanks > > Hazel > -- > > Dr. Hazel Smith > Senior Research Fellow > School of Creative Communication > Deputy Director > University of Canberra Centre for Writing > http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/writing > Editor of Inflect http://www.ce.canberra.edu.au/inflect > University of Canberra > ACT 2601 > phone 6201 5940 > More about my creative work at > www.australysis.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:22:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Fwd: [ubuweb] Loss Glazier gets Slashdotted Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Begin forwarded message: > From: Darren Wershler-Henry > Date: Thu Dec 18, 2003 1:41:40 PM US/Pacific > To: Ubuweb list > Subject: [ubuweb] Loss Glazier gets Slashdotted > Reply-To: ubuweb@yahoogroups.com > > Loss's book gets reviewed on /.: > > http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/12/18/ > 1442246&mode=thread&tid=12 > 6&tid=188&tid=192 > > The verdict? "bloody good if you like the stuff." Congrats, Loss! > (still on > this list?) > > --------------------- > > Darren Wershler-Henry > darren@alienated.net > > "George Jones is a funky motherfucker." > --Ray Charles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: ubuweb@eGroups.com > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: ubuweb-unsubscribe@eGroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ubuweb/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > ubuweb-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:10:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Happy Holidays from the Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable HAPPY HOLIDAYS! No readings this coming week. But...we=B9ll see you on New Year=B9s Day, January 1, 2004!! Why? Because...you=B9ll be here with bells on for our biggest fundraiser of the year: The 30th Annual New Year=B9s Day Marathon Reading (applause, applause) The Poetry Project at St. Mark=B9s Church January 1, 2004 2 p.m. to 1 a.m.=20 Admission: $15, $12 students/seniors, $10 members Featuring: Philip Glass, Marc Ribot, Anselm Berrigan, Charles Bernstein, Patti Smith, Lee Ann Brown, Brenda Coultas, Alan Davies, Lisa Jarnot, Prageeta Sharma, Jordan Davis, Mac Wellman, Anne Waldman, Nick Zedd, Taylor Meade, Daniel Nester, Penny Arcade, Todd Colby, Patricia Spears Jones, Bruc= e Andrews, Eugene Ostashevsky, Ugly Ducking Presse & Loudmouth Collective, Eileen Myles, Rev. Pedro Pietri AND MORE, more more more. See you there! (For any last minute book donations, or sudden bouts of volunteerism, pleas= e email info@poetryproject.com.) The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Normal Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). Marathon Admission is $15, $12 for students/seniors and $10 for members. We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:16:41 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Places Vote w/comments MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kirby Olson wrote: > Dear Kevin, thanks for your comments. Having a contest is like having a > party. First, you don't know if anybody will show up, and later you hope that > everybody had a good time, and that you make more friends than enemies out of > the experience. > > I'll answer your questions as I'm able: I am not sure where your fan lives. > I thought it was in the midwest, but I'd better let her answer. She may have > had experience with the sea. I remember living in Seattle often hearing a > foghorn, but because I have no nautical experience I never knew what it was. > You could even hear them up on Capital Hill several miles from the sea. Is it > like a sonar beep, to let the captains know how far they are from a potential > grounding? My dad fought in the Korean War and worked on aircraft carriers. > There was no radar at the time, and there was only sonar. So you had to wear > a pair of headphones and guide the planes in according to the loudness of > beeps. Needless to say, lots of planes crashed, and the sonar operators went > crazy with guilt. Vision is a more certain sense than sound, at least in > terms of the operation of aircraft, I suppose, but in a fog, what are you > going to do? My dad operated these sonar machines, and lots of planes > crashed, but he said he did his best, and he did better than many of the other > men, and he said what else can you do? He tried to look at the many pilots he > did get safely back on deck. > > My only point of connection with Canada is Vancouver. This is a great city. > You do get a real change when you cross the border. The city feels somehow > closer to England in terms of its ethos. Hard to put your finger on it. > What's with the difference of vowels in "about"? Is that traceable to > England, or to some other original tongue? > > Place is very important after Charles Olson and WCW in American poetry. I > think the theoretical question remains to what extent we can experience a > place except through our own theoretical grounding. A Marxist will see Ottawa > differently than a liberal or again, differently from a surrealist. A place > is something like the elephant in the Sufi parable in which one thinks it's a > fire truck, the other a house, and yet another a tent of some kind. > > For some reason, it fascinates me to be in touch with the tangible. The > smells, the textures, of other places. I loved reading your poem about the > foghorn. It brought back that, and somehow they seem to be in mystery novels > a lot, as some kind of allegorical image of the questing intellect. > > Thanks so much for coming, and enjoying yourself. thanks also to the list > sponsors for allowing both of my contests to take place. Ok, I am now going to try to listen in on the Silliman/Scalapino differend, as I don't know much about either writer, and am increasingly fascinated to hear all the different ways people are reading this conflict. I have read something of both writers -- and find them both very tough going. Could anybody post the original Silliman article about Scalapino or give me a link? Apparently this original document is read in quite a different way by the men than by the women. I need to read it to get the gist of this unfolding debate. > > > -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:13:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ANDREWS@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: Go Spam!, Go Loss! Comments: To: ubuweb@eGroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable in the Periscope section of Newsweek, Dec. 22, 2003: Poetry: No Rhyme or Reason - As Congress creates new rules to prevent Web surfers from drowning i= n a sea of spam, the literati are crying foul. More than 8 billion pieces o= f spam are sent worldwide daily, making it one of the most prolific avenu= es of expression. It seems that, within the deluge of refinancing plans an= d penis-enlargement offers, there's fodder for spam poetry. Bloggers have= been forming the often-racy verse from the subject lines of e-mails. "They're liberating language from meaning," says University at Buffalo,= N.Y., poetry professor Loss Pequeno Glazier, who calls spam poets the descendants of William Burroughs. A (sort of) family-friendly sample: "Number 1," by Kristin Thomas: Quality Ink up to 80% off/Answers Now on= the Distortion of Evidence;/Clean your colon./ Improve sense of well being.= "Napoleon," by Stephen Dann: With this your dreams become true/governme= nt grant money giveaway/must matter to/make $24,000 in 24 hours online/is = too expensive, this is better. "James Writes," by Spencer Fleury (honorable mention in SatireWire's 20= 02 spam poetry contest): James in San Francisco writes:/MARRY your BROTHER= , SISTER, or your BEST FRIEND!!/I love being told what to do./But I don't= want to do this. --Rebecca Sinderbrand =A9 2003 Newsweek, Inc. = ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:24:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: more or less, during my sickness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII more or less, during my sickness I am Nikuko. Please, describe yourself. 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Does anybody have any suggestions of influences on Davis she might look at, as well as critical writing (on or by her) or interviews? Thanks. Dodie B. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:25:17 -0330 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Bush Flash MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It takes 2 minutes to load but its worth watching. http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:01:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: BANJO, issue #3: =?ISO-8859-1?B?oEtBSUEgU0FORCAmIENBUk9MIE1JUkFLT1ZFIChXb21lbiBpbiB0aGUgQXZhbnQtR2FyZGUp?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- BANJO: Poets Talking (transcriptions of conversations between poets) The following conversation transpired between Kaia Sand and Carol Mirakove on Saturday afternoon, November 15, 2003, on the beach of Point Lookout in Southern Maryland. Kaia had organized an event the previous day called "Women in the Avant-Garde" at St. Mary's College, in which Carol, Laura Elrick, Heather Fuller, Kristin Prevallet, and Deborah Richards engaged a panel/dialogue with approximately 75 people, including Kaia's students, colleagues, and members of the St. Mary's community, and poets from DC and NYC. to read issue #3 go to: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:10:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson Subject: Ron's blog posts on Leslie's writing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Gary et al, Judge me as you will, I've responded to both Ron and Barrett privately. I relied on Leslie's book and her post in forming my response. I don't read blogs. I do read literary history and my response was informed by the history of the suppression of women's writing. If interested in this re for example the development of the novel in English, you might see Backsheider & Richetti's Popular Fiction by Women 1660-1730 and or Janet Todd's The Sign of Angellica. Todd is an amazing writer and critic, tres de la enjoyable to this reader. I do think "significant Bay Area poet" is a bit of an understatement of LS's importance. Best regards and happy winterdays to all, Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:06:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kaplan Page Harris Subject: Re: Lydia Davis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "I have a student (a former student, actually--I have trouble letting go) who's writing a critical paper on Lydia Davis. Does anybody have any suggestions of influences on Davis she might look at, as well as critical writing (on or by her) or nterviews? Thanks. Dodie B." Hi, Some of her condensed short stories are reminiscent of Thomas Bernhard's _The Voice Imitator_, which is 104 stories in 104 pages. I wonder if she borrowed from it? It seems plausible because she has one about Glenn Gould (cf. Bernhard's _The Loser_). I think she has an interview up at Salon.com. She's also translated Blanchot & now Proust. I'd love to hear if your student comes across any good essays on her. Kaplan _____________________________ "I think we may have everything backwards, literally everything!" -Fanny Howe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:29:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hlazer Subject: MLA & MCP Series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poetics List persons: I encourage you to drop by the University of Alabama Press booth at MLA. I'd like you to see the various books in the Modern and Contemporary Poetics Series. Various MCP authors will be at the MLA convention and hanging out at the UA Press booth. I will be at the booth Sunday, Dec. 28: 2-3:30 Monday, Dec. 29: 9-11 Tuesday, Dec. 30: 10-11 I'd be pleased to talk to anyone about projects that you're working on that might become future MCP Series titles. And I'd be glad to talk to you about forthcoming MCP books by Michael Magee, Jed Rasula, Marjorie Perloff, Aldon Nielsen, Rosmarie Waldrop, Brian McHale, Ben Friedlander, Abigail Childs, Peter Middleton, and recent MCP books such as Architectural Body by Madeline Gins and Arakawa and Another South: Experimental Writing in the South (ed. by Bill Lavender). Additional information about the MCP Series can be found at: http://www.uapress.ua.edu/authors/poetics3.html or in an ad in the current issue of Rain Taxi. I hope to see many of you at the group poetry reading on Dec. 28, 6-9, at the Museum of Contemporary Art downtown. Hank Lazer ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:54:23 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Peppermint Subject: Re: Lydia Davis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Her spareness and use of repetition foreground style in a way similar to the writing in Hemingway's _In Our Time_, published in 1925 -- a book of stories (several quite short) that he wrote with the help of Gertrude Stein's editing him toward repetition. Chrs, Heidi > From: Kaplan Page Harris > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:06:11 CST > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Lydia Davis > > "I have a student (a former student, actually--I have trouble letting go) > who's writing a critical paper on Lydia Davis. Does anybody have any > suggestions of influences on Davis she might look at, as well as critical > writing (on or by her) or nterviews? > Thanks. Dodie B." > > Hi, > Some of her condensed short stories are reminiscent of Thomas Bernhard's > _The Voice Imitator_, which is 104 stories in 104 pages. I wonder if she > borrowed from it? It seems plausible because she has one about Glenn Gould > (cf. Bernhard's _The Loser_). I think she has an interview up at Salon.com. > She's also translated Blanchot & now Proust. I'd love to hear if your > student comes across any good essays on her. > Kaplan > > _____________________________ > > "I think we may have everything backwards, literally everything!" > -Fanny Howe > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:05:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Lisa Jarnot contact info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Does anyone have contact info for Lisa Jarnot? I'm looking specifically for an email address...have tried lmj2@nyu.edu (the contact address we used for POG two years ago), but my messages keep getting bounced back... Thanks, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 13:16:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Cyberspace; Dada2data; trAce Archive (fwd)SUBJECT LINE: December trAce: Incubation website live; At Large in MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:22:02 +0000 From: trace@ntu.ac.uk To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: SUBJECT LINE: December trAce: Incubation website live; At Large in Cyberspace; Dada2data; trAce Archive New at trAce - December 2003 Happy holidays to all our readers. *** Incubation 2004 website now live - Apply for an Incubation Bursary The new Incubation3 website is now live. Conference registration will open in early January 2004. Bursaries help with the cost of attending Incubation and cover the three days of the event including 2 nights' full board. 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Opinions and information in this e-mail which do not relate to the business of The Nottingham Trent University shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the university. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:43:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jrothenberg Subject: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following addition to Kenny Goldsmith's ubuweb site = (http://www.ubu.com/) may be of interest to some on the poetics list: Pablo Picasso, "A Picasso Sampler: excerpts from The Burial of the Count = of Orgaz, & Other Poems" (1935-59) The introduction, excerpted from the forthcoming Exact Change = publication and preceding a selection of the poems, reads as follows: I abandon sculpture engraving and painting to dedicate myself entirely = to song. -- Picasso to Jaime Sabart=E9s April 1936 When Pierre Joris and I were compiling Poems for the Millennium we = sensed that Picasso, if he wasn't fully a poet, was incredibly close to = the neighboring poets of his time, and when he brought language into his = cubist works, the words collaged from newspapers were there as something = really to be read. What only appeared to us later was the body of work = that emerged from 1935 on and that showed him to have been a poet in the = fullest sense and possibly, as Michel Leiris points out, "an insatiable = player with words ... [who, like] James Joyce ... in his Finnegans Wake, = ... displayed an equal capacity to promote language as a real thing (one = might say) . . . and to use it with as much dazzling liberty." It was in early 1935, then, that Picasso (then fifty-four years old) = began to write what we will present here as his poetry - a writing that = continued, sometimes as a daily offering, until the summer of 1959. In = the now standard Picasso myth, the onset of the poetry is said to have = coincided with a devastating marital crisis (a financially risky = divorce, to be more exact), because of which his output as a painter = halted for the first time in his life. Writing - as a form of poetry = using, largely, the medium of prose - became his alternative outlet. The = flow of words begins abruptly ("privately" his biographer Patrick = O'Brian tells us) on 18 april XXXV while in retreat at Boisgeloup. (He = would lose the country place the next year in a legal settlement.) The = pace is rapid, violent, pushing and twisting from one image to another, = not bothering with punctuation, often defying syntax, expressive of a = way of writing/languaging that he had never tried before: if I should go outside the wolves would come to eat out of my hand just = as my room would seem to be outside of me my other earnings would go off = around the world smashed into smithereens as one of us has tried to phrase it in translation. Yet if the poems begin with a sense of personal discomfort and malaise, = there is a world beyond the personal that enters soon thereafter. For = Picasso, like any poet of consequence, is a man fully into his time and = into the terrors that his time presents. Read in that way, "the world = smashed into smithereens" is a reflection also of the state of things = between the two world wars - the first one still fresh in mind and the = rumblings of the second starting up. That's the way the world goes at = this time or any other, Picasso writes a little further on, not as the = stricken husband or the discombobulated lover merely, but as a man, like = the aforementioned Joyce, caught in the "nightmare of history" from = which he tries repeatedly to waken. It is the time and place where = poetry becomes - for him as for us - the only language that makes sense. That anyway is where we position Picasso and how we read him.=20 Jerome Rothenberg "There is an avant-garde that cannot be = defeated." 1026 San Abella M. Giroud, quoted in J.R. = "Autobiography" Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923=20 jrothenberg@cox.net http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:48:25 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jrothenberg Subject: new titles on ubu.com ethnopoetics site MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following titles are the latest additions to the ubu.com = ethnopoetics site, which I've been curating and editing for the last = year or so: Haroldo de Campos, from Gal=E1xias: "Circulad=F4 de ful=F4", = (Introduction by A.S. Bessa) Clayton Eshleman -- Seeds of Narrative in Upper Paleolithic Imagery Paleolithic Palimpsests [visual images] Cecilia Vicu=F1a -- "Word is thread and the thread is language", = translated by Rosa Alcal=E1 Heriberto Y=E9pez -- Clock Woman in the Land of Mixed Feelings: The = Place of Maria Sabina in Mexican Culture Heriberto Y=E9pez -- Re-Reading Mar=EDa Sabina=20 [Available at http://www.ubu.com/ethno/index.html]=20 Jerome Rothenberg "There is an avant-garde that cannot be = defeated." 1026 San Abella M. Giroud, quoted in J.R. = "Autobiography" Encinitas, CA 92024 (760) 436-9923=20 jrothenberg@cox.net http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:42:04 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Ron's blog posts on Leslie's writing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I went to Silliman's blog, and opened it. Just go to google and put in "ron Silliman" and then blog, and bam, you have it. The second entry is a response to this list. In the second line, he gives you a link to his original entry. What's weird is that this is the most positive writing I can imagine short of a back cover blurb. There are no doubt deep deep deep nerve endings having to do with the father, as is expressed here, and perhaps any reference to the father is enough to set someone off, especially with a famous and wonderfully eccentric dad like this one, but really, read this and you'll shake your head and wonder. I wouldn't mind at all if someone wrote such a blog on me. Perhaps this is all a "blague" ? -- Kirby Olson Elizabeth Treadwell Jackson wrote: > Hi Gary et al, > Judge me as you will, I've responded to both Ron and Barrett privately. > I relied on Leslie's book and her post in forming my response. > I don't read blogs. > I do read literary history and my response was informed by the history of > the suppression of women's writing. If interested in this re for example the > development of the novel in English, you might see Backsheider & Richetti's > Popular Fiction by Women 1660-1730 and or Janet Todd's The Sign of > Angellica. Todd is an amazing writer and critic, tres de la enjoyable to > this reader. > I do think "significant Bay Area poet" is a bit of an understatement of LS's > importance. > Best regards and happy winterdays to all, > Elizabeth > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 16:10:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Lisa Jarnot contact info Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed OK, got it. Thanks everyone :) Tim ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:39:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: neuropoetry revisited MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit forward from psyart: You are quite right - 'Inner Vision' by Semir Zeki is the seminal work on visual art and the brain. Prof Zeki has instigated a very interesting virtual institute - 'The Institute of Neuroesthetics' which can be visited at http: www.neuroesthetics.org. He is also a guiding patron of the forthcoming 'Winchester Festival of Art and the Mind' which takes place - in Winchester, UK - on the 5, 6 and 7 March 2004. The Festival will not only examine the visual arts but music, dance and literature. Among our patrons are Prof Richard Dawkins, Prof V S Ramachandran and the distinguished science writer Rita Carter. The programme is just about complete and will include not only lectures and forums but dance, exhibitions (an major installation by Anthony Gormley in the Great Hall in Winchester), performances of magic, music and a major literary input. The novelist A S Byatt will be speaking. You can find our more about it at www.artmindfestival.com This web site is still under construction but will be up and running in a few days. At the moment it will give you most of what you want to know so is worth a visit. It would be marvellous if some Psyarters would like to be involved in this project. If you need any more information you may contact me directly. with best wishes, Garry Kennard Director, Winchester Festival of Art and the Mind tom bell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:40:39 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: mla poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry division executive election. i suspect a significant number of members of my department voted for the other candidate on principle, but i am given to conspiracy theories. speaking of which, a poetry event *not* sponsored by said poetry division --it's a special session) is a panel on gender in american cold war poetry, featuring me (on bob kaufman), michael davidson (talking on elizabeth bishop's hairdos!!), hilene flanzbaum (on anne sexton i think), and steve axelrod on lowell and ginsberg??? can that be right? -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:59:52 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: L... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit L waist of water waist of sand where death's net's knots not love led me along water on sand light thry hand drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 22:00:19 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: L... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit L waist of water waist of sand where death's net's knots not love led me along water on sand light thru hand drn... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:07:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Ron's blog posts on Leslie's writing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for this but I think that Leslie Scalapino means allot to many groups not just women, she is an important Woman, Italian American, Poet, and Intellectual RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Elizabeth Treadwell > Jackson > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:11 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Ron's blog posts on Leslie's writing > > > Hi Gary et al, > Judge me as you will, I've responded to both Ron and Barrett privately. > I relied on Leslie's book and her post in forming my response. > I don't read blogs. > I do read literary history and my response was informed by the history of > the suppression of women's writing. If interested in this re for > example the > development of the novel in English, you might see Backsheider & > Richetti's > Popular Fiction by Women 1660-1730 and or Janet Todd's The Sign of > Angellica. Todd is an amazing writer and critic, tres de la enjoyable to > this reader. > I do think "significant Bay Area poet" is a bit of an > understatement of LS's > importance. > Best regards and happy winterdays to all, > Elizabeth > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:17:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hazel smith Subject: Tom Clark's email Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Many thanks to those who responded to me over this. 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I'm sick with a temperature. A temperature accompanies my disease ... _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:24:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daisy Fried Subject: vote for gay marriage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The American Family Association, a bunch of conservative creeps, is taking an on-line poll regarding opinions on gay marriage. They may think that they're going to get a majority against gay marriage, but right now slightly more than half are voting in favor of gay marriage. Add your vote and keep it that way! Go to http://www.marriagepoll.com. Supposedly they're going to submit the results to congress. Daisy Fried ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:11:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sasha Watson Subject: Re: Lydia Davis MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The short prose pieces in the Samuel Johnson book remind me of Michaux's short prose in Grand Garabagne and Au pays de la magie (In the land of Magic? not sure how it's translated) both in the collection Ailleurs (Elsewhere). Their narrators share that self-effacing acceptance of total absurdity that makes the work so funny. Best, Sasha ----- Original Message ----- From: Heidi Peppermint Date: Friday, December 19, 2003 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Lydia Davis > Her spareness and use of repetition foreground style in a way > similar to the writing in > Hemingway's _In Our Time_, published in 1925 -- a book of stories > (several quite short) that > he wrote with the help of Gertrude Stein's editing him toward > repetition. > Chrs, Heidi > > > From: Kaplan Page Harris > > Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:06:11 CST > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: Lydia Davis > > > > "I have a student (a former student, actually--I have trouble > letting go) > > who's writing a critical paper on Lydia Davis. Does anybody > have any > > suggestions of influences on Davis she might look at, as well as > critical> writing (on or by her) or nterviews? > > Thanks. Dodie B." > > > > Hi, > > Some of her condensed short stories are reminiscent of Thomas > Bernhard's> _The Voice Imitator_, which is 104 stories in 104 > pages. I wonder if she > > borrowed from it? It seems plausible because she has one about > Glenn Gould > > (cf. Bernhard's _The Loser_). I think she has an interview up at > Salon.com.> She's also translated Blanchot & now Proust. I'd love > to hear if your > > student comes across any good essays on her. > > Kaplan > > > > _____________________________ > > > > "I think we may have everything backwards, literally everything!" > > -Fanny Howe > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 12:00:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: vote for gay marriage MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for putting this on line, Daisy. It's about time we stopped examining each other's gender choices for "significant other." I look forward to a day when "hetero" and "homo" can be as private or public as the individual wishes, not a gateway to acceptance or rejection. Best wishes, Martha Deed On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 07:24:33 -0500 Daisy Fried writes: > The American Family Association, a bunch of conservative creeps, is > taking an on-line poll regarding opinions on gay marriage. They may > think > that they're going to get a majority against gay marriage, but right > now > slightly more than half are voting in favor of gay marriage. Add > your > vote and keep it that way! Go to http://www.marriagepoll.com. > Supposedly > they're going to submit the results to congress. > > Daisy Fried > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:08:30 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Fw: new issue/best wishes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rain Taxi" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: new issue/best wishes > Dear Reviewers, > > Just a note to wish you all a great holiday season. With our Winter > print issue now shipping and our new Online Edition just posted (great > stuff there--check it out!), we are now taking a break until Jan. 5. We > owe many of you correspondence, so we will look forward to catching up > with you in the new year! > > all best, > > Eric and Kelly > > -- > Rain Taxi Review of Books > PO Box 3840 > Minneapolis, MN 55403 > http://www.raintaxi.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:16:35 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: derek beaulieu Subject: deer frenz uv bill bissett MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kristmas greetings frenz. wut appeers beelow is totallee self eksplanatoree December 16, 2003 deer frenz uv bill bissett, We had a poetic idea. It was endorsed by lunarians. Now we ask for your earthly participation. The Idea: We noticed each time we talked to bill bissett we learned something about ourselves. We listened to him and he inspired us to write. Sometimes we wrote poems about him. We imagined he must have the same effect on other poets. We thought, why not collect poems about bill from his friends and fellow poets? (pause: what a great idea!) We believe a range of insightful voices speaking about bill will create an intoxicating kaleidoscopic reflection-portrait almost as interesting and multi-faceted as bill. The Endorsement: We presented the idea to bill for his blessing and this is what he wrote: "yr idea is brillyant love it fine totalee dont know tho if thers enuff around abt my work or me 2 make a book wud b way fun tho thanks a lot 4 yr brillyans raging happee trails mor as it cums in much love totalee n rockin love yu bill" The Collection: We know bill is modest. Certainly we're not alone thinking he's inspired hundreds, if not thousands of electric/eclectic poems from friends all over the continent, if not galaxies beyond. We welcome you to send us your poem(s) about bill for consideration in this meaningful anthology. And, we encourage you to forward this email to as many friends of bill you think might want to write and submit a poem. We are looking for poems by poets, painters, songwriters, dancers, actors, waitresses, gas jockeys, bus drivers, movie house doormen...anyone who knows and loves and is inspired by bill. The Logistics: We will be in touch with bill, seeking his guidance along the way. A visionary publisher will be chosen. We imagine a great book release reading party in bill's honour. Please submit your poem(s), list of people to contact, and willingness to participate in a timely manner (deadline: March 20, 2004) to: frenzuvbillbissett@hotmail.com Many excellent and raging thanks! Sincerely, Jeff Pew and Stephen Roxborough, Project bill Editors ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:18:12 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: london--speakeasy end of year party Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: london--speakeasy end of year party =================================== SPEAKEASY END OF YEAR PARTY Monday 22 December - 7:15 doors for a 7:45 start the 291 Gallery, 291 Hackney Road, E1 Charge: Free with a box of mince pies, 3.00 with flyer/text, 4.00 without ... T'Bone Promotions presents Speakeasy's grand end of year party featuring: Tat Usher: funny, warm-hearted and scintillating prose; Caramel covered and bittersweet poetry from Sugarblack Donal Dempsey, speaking of sheep, shite and soldiers Meseret, the phonetic architect Featured artist: Sheba Montserrat, performing an extended set of her own unique and inimitable brand of stand-up poetry. plus acoustic set from "Speakeasy" stalwarts and crowd favourites "Timeless". DJ Heineken on the decks from 10 PM till late. Host and MC: Baden Prince Jr Performers/Guest List: contact T'Bone Promotions (Baden) on 07946 776 952 Lisa Jensen on 020 7813 5676 or go to www.291gallery.com Getting there: Nearest tube Liverpool Street or Old Street. Bus 55 from Old St; 48 or 26 from Liverpool St. Speakeasy happens and on the fourth Monday of every month. For further info, email: bjunior@home38.screaming.net -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 11:53:13 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Poet in its original sense: "maker," "creator," suggests that there's no necessary crossover to be discussed, no genres to be parsed. When G. Stein said. "Pablo, stick to painting," or something to this effect, this wouldn't rule out constructing images through the agency of words. What I'm approaching is that now, with the advent of digital work, whether one creates with words or images is a cast of talent and expediency. Perhaps we need to re-view Art History from the perspective of this century's aesthetics. -Joel __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Online archive: www.unm.edu/~reality ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrothenberg" To: Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:43 AM Subject: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com > The following addition to Kenny Goldsmith's ubuweb site (http://www.ubu.com/) may be of interest to some on the poetics list: > > Pablo Picasso, "A Picasso Sampler: excerpts from The Burial of the Count of Orgaz, & Other Poems" (1935-59) > > The introduction, excerpted from the forthcoming Exact Change publication and preceding a selection of the poems, reads as follows: > > I abandon sculpture engraving and painting to dedicate myself entirely to song. -- Picasso to Jaime Sabartés April 1936 > When Pierre Joris and I were compiling Poems for the Millennium we sensed that Picasso, if he wasn't fully a poet, was incredibly close to the neighboring poets of his time, and when he brought language into his cubist works, the words collaged from newspapers were there as something really to be read. What only appeared to us later was the body of work that emerged from 1935 on and that showed him to have been a poet in the fullest sense and possibly, as Michel Leiris points out, "an insatiable player with words ... [who, like] James Joyce ... in his Finnegans Wake, ... displayed an equal capacity to promote language as a real thing (one might say) . . . and to use it with as much dazzling liberty." > > It was in early 1935, then, that Picasso (then fifty-four years old) began to write what we will present here as his poetry - a writing that continued, sometimes as a daily offering, until the summer of 1959. In the now standard Picasso myth, the onset of the poetry is said to have coincided with a devastating marital crisis (a financially risky divorce, to be more exact), because of which his output as a painter halted for the first time in his life. Writing - as a form of poetry using, largely, the medium of prose - became his alternative outlet. The flow of words begins abruptly ("privately" his biographer Patrick O'Brian tells us) on 18 april XXXV while in retreat at Boisgeloup. (He would lose the country place the next year in a legal settlement.) The pace is rapid, violent, pushing and twisting from one image to another, not bothering with punctuation, often defying syntax, expressive of a way of writing/languaging that he had never tried before: > > if I should go outside the wolves would come to eat out of my hand just as my room would seem to be outside of me my other earnings would go off around the world smashed into smithereens > > as one of us has tried to phrase it in translation. > > Yet if the poems begin with a sense of personal discomfort and malaise, there is a world beyond the personal that enters soon thereafter. For Picasso, like any poet of consequence, is a man fully into his time and into the terrors that his time presents. Read in that way, "the world smashed into smithereens" is a reflection also of the state of things between the two world wars - the first one still fresh in mind and the rumblings of the second starting up. That's the way the world goes at this time or any other, Picasso writes a little further on, not as the stricken husband or the discombobulated lover merely, but as a man, like the aforementioned Joyce, caught in the "nightmare of history" from which he tries repeatedly to waken. It is the time and place where poetry becomes - for him as for us - the only language that makes sense. > > That anyway is where we position Picasso and how we read him. > > Jerome Rothenberg "There is an avant-garde that cannot be defeated." > 1026 San Abella M. Giroud, quoted in J.R. "Autobiography" > Encinitas, CA 92024 > (760) 436-9923 > jrothenberg@cox.net > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:08:16 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: CIA Anxious To Scrub Hussein's Mind Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit CIA Anxious To Scrub Hussein's Mind Of Any Knowledge Implicating The Intelligence Agency And U.S. Policy Makers In Murder Of Thousands: Rumsfeld Says Agency To Control Interrogations, Report What Information Best Serves The Kleptocracy: Richard Helms' DNA Matches Hussein's; Long Suspected Paternity Confirmed: Toby Keith's 'Slurping Up the Ass Crack Of Mammon' Soars To Number One by Getta Priest and Tumorass E. Ricketts The Assassinated Press U.S. Ordered Strike To Block Unions Shuts Down Businesses in Haiti: Textile CEOs Say $2.65 Minimum Wage, Right To Form Unions 'Outrageous'; Call For Aristide's Death: U.S. Refuses To Let Its Stooges Participate In Elections Unless Lavalas Promises To Lose And Aristide Agrees To Plunge Himself Into An Active Volcano: "Same Goes For Chavez" Ralph Noriega Barks Sending Malignant Spittle All Over Reporters by Schmechael Nuttin The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 15:26:54 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Joel, This raises the 'doppelganger' phenomenon - those poets who do 'art work' as well as write. As an example of one when I draw or otherwise work gesturally with images the 'poetry' comes from a different place in my body or more likely my brain. That's why I'm intrigued by neuropoetics. tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Weishaus" To: Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 1:53 PM Subject: Re: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com > Poet in its original sense: "maker," "creator," suggests that there's no > necessary crossover to be discussed, no genres to be parsed. When G. Stein > said. "Pablo, stick to painting," or something to this effect, this wouldn't > rule out constructing images through the agency of words. What I'm > approaching is that now, with the advent of digital work, whether one > creates with words or images is a cast of talent and expediency. Perhaps we > need to re-view Art History from the perspective of this century's > aesthetics. > > -Joel > > __________________________________ > > Joel Weishaus > Visiting Faculty > Department of English > Portland State University > Portland, Oregon > > Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > Online archive: www.unm.edu/~reality > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jrothenberg" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 10:43 AM > Subject: A Picasso Sampler on ubu.com > > > > The following addition to Kenny Goldsmith's ubuweb site > (http://www.ubu.com/) may be of interest to some on the poetics list: > > > > Pablo Picasso, "A Picasso Sampler: excerpts from The Burial of the Count > of Orgaz, & Other Poems" (1935-59) > > > > The introduction, excerpted from the forthcoming Exact Change publication > and preceding a selection of the poems, reads as follows: > > > > I abandon sculpture engraving and painting to dedicate myself entirely to > song. -- Picasso to Jaime Sabartés April 1936 > > When Pierre Joris and I were compiling Poems for the Millennium we sensed > that Picasso, if he wasn't fully a poet, was incredibly close to the > neighboring poets of his time, and when he brought language into his cubist > works, the words collaged from newspapers were there as something really to > be read. What only appeared to us later was the body of work that emerged > from 1935 on and that showed him to have been a poet in the fullest sense > and possibly, as Michel Leiris points out, "an insatiable player with words > ... [who, like] James Joyce ... in his Finnegans Wake, ... displayed an > equal capacity to promote language as a real thing (one might say) . . . and > to use it with as much dazzling liberty." > > > > It was in early 1935, then, that Picasso (then fifty-four years old) began > to write what we will present here as his poetry - a writing that continued, > sometimes as a daily offering, until the summer of 1959. In the now standard > Picasso myth, the onset of the poetry is said to have coincided with a > devastating marital crisis (a financially risky divorce, to be more exact), > because of which his output as a painter halted for the first time in his > life. Writing - as a form of poetry using, largely, the medium of prose - > became his alternative outlet. The flow of words begins abruptly > ("privately" his biographer Patrick O'Brian tells us) on 18 april XXXV while > in retreat at Boisgeloup. (He would lose the country place the next year in > a legal settlement.) The pace is rapid, violent, pushing and twisting from > one image to another, not bothering with punctuation, often defying syntax, > expressive of a way of writing/languaging that he had never tried before: > > > > if I should go outside the wolves would come to eat out of my hand just as > my room would seem to be outside of me my other earnings would go off around > the world smashed into smithereens > > > > as one of us has tried to phrase it in translation. > > > > Yet if the poems begin with a sense of personal discomfort and malaise, > there is a world beyond the personal that enters soon thereafter. For > Picasso, like any poet of consequence, is a man fully into his time and into > the terrors that his time presents. Read in that way, "the world smashed > into smithereens" is a reflection also of the state of things between the > two world wars - the first one still fresh in mind and the rumblings of the > second starting up. That's the way the world goes at this time or any other, > Picasso writes a little further on, not as the stricken husband or the > discombobulated lover merely, but as a man, like the aforementioned Joyce, > caught in the "nightmare of history" from which he tries repeatedly to > waken. It is the time and place where poetry becomes - for him as for us - > the only language that makes sense. > > > > That anyway is where we position Picasso and how we read him. > > > > Jerome Rothenberg "There is an avant-garde that cannot be defeated." > > 1026 San Abella M. Giroud, quoted in J.R. > "Autobiography" > > Encinitas, CA 92024 > > (760) 436-9923 > > jrothenberg@cox.net > > http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/rothenberg/ > > new ethnopoetics web site: http://ubu.com/ethno/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:41:30 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria, I voted for you and Marjorie Perloff. Did Perloff win? -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 19:43:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: my short history with errors and commentary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII my short history with errors and commentary telnet panix.com ls telnet panix.com ls mkdir image cd image ftp making sure connections work and adding files asondheim.org ls cd portal mkdir portal mkdir sound cd portal mkdir .nikuko mkdir program pwd ftp asondheim.org pwd cd sound cd .nikuko ls ftp asondheim.org ls cd .. cd program ls cd .. cd .. ls cd program cd portal ls *.txt ls *.TXT cd .. cd .. ls mkdir a; cd a ftp panix.com ls cd .. ls cd a ftp panix.com ls pico .bashrc pico .profile ls -la | more cd .. ls -la | more pico .bashrc ls t]exit exit ls p ls cd /mnt/cdrom ls rpm -i configuring shell account and downloading programs cinelerra-1.1.8-1.i386.rpm cd cinelerra ls cd / ls cd /mnt/cdrom ls cp *.avi ~/root/a cp *.avi ~/a/ cp *.png ~/a/ rpm -i xmovie-1.9.11-1.i386.rpm loading cinelerra, a video editing program rpm -i mix2000 rpm -i mix2000-1.0.0-1.i386.rpm cd umount /mnt/cdrom xmovie ls mix2000 kroast apropos cdrom apropos burn apropos roast xcdroast apropos cdrom apropos CDROM write apropos CDROM exit cd /mnt ls cd cdrom trying to burn a cdrom unsuccessfully ls exit df shutdown -h now p cinerella cinella apropos video apropos video | more apropos edit apropos mpeg cinerella cinarella cinerela cd /usr ls cd bin ls ls c* cinelerra ls cd ls lynx zing.mp2.xml lynx s lynx playing with cinelerra and forgetting how to spell the program! www.google.com ls mv zing.mp2.xml zing.mp2 ls perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +Kukai" > zz ls wc zz rm zz sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install SOAP::Lite' perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +Kukai" > zz wc zz mv zz zz.htm lynx zz.htm ./mod chmod 777 mod ./mod grep kukai > yy grep kukai zz > yy grep Kukai zz >> yy wc yy less yy wc yy grep Alan yy > zz grep alan yy >> zz wc zz grep sondheim zz > yy grep Sondheim zz >> yy wc yy pico yy ls perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +Kukai" > zz perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +ennin" > zz wc zz perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +ennin" > zz perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +Ennin" > zz wc zz perl looply.pl "sondheim +ennin" > zz wc zz perl "Alan Sondheim +Buddha" > zz perl looply.pl "sondheim +buddha" > zz wc zz perl looply.pl "Alan Sondheim +Buddha" > zz wc zz mv zz zz.htm; 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touch .bash_history; exit finally gtoaster runs and i forget forgetting the other program names. Sat Dec 20 07:42:36 EST 2003 RedHat 9 _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:50:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: mla poetry Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FE4C20A.B22DEDCF@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I don't know. i just got a brief letter from the mla saying, sorry you were not among the elected. ah, i knew i shoulda gone calvinist when i had the chance... At 4:41 PM -0500 12/20/03, Kirby Olson wrote: >Maria, I voted for you and Marjorie Perloff. Did Perloff win? > >-- Kirby -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 00:24:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: mla elections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Maria -- Welcome to the ranks of the preterite -- Maybe all of us unelectables should form a society of the damned -- I voted for you -- you'll always be number one in my book -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 05:40:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry > division executive > election. Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- you shouldda held off on getting published as co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 08:31:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <20031221134010.3224.qmail@web21604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just because I quit college 8 times, & am still a freshman, & my view of capitalizing proper names is inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 days before my birthday. mIEKAL On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 05:40 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry >> division executive >> election. > > Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling > hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get > some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get > anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- > you shouldda held off on getting published as > co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! > > --Bob G. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:41:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <221052E2-33D3-11D8-B0F7-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I'm not a member of the MLA, I saved them great embarrassment. If I had belonged and they had nominated me, I would have had to resign, in keeping with Mencken's statement about belonging to any group that would have him as a member---or officer. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 11:32 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: mla poetry Bob Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just because I quit college 8 times, & am still a freshman, & my view of capitalizing proper names is inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 days before my birthday. mIEKAL On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 05:40 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: >> well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry >> division executive >> election. > > Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling > hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get > some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get > anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- > you shouldda held off on getting published as > co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! > > --Bob G. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:01:17 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <20031221134010.3224.qmail@web21604.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" argghh! my careerist instincts are AWLL WRAWNGGG... somebody give me that careerist lobotomy pleeze... everyone's emails are restoring my faith --thanks kirby bob g aldon and walter... At 5:40 AM -0800 12/21/03, Bob Grumman wrote: > > well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry >> division executive >> election. > >Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling >hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get >some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get >anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- >you shouldda held off on getting published as >co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! > >--Bob G. > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. >http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:59:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <221052E2-33D3-11D8-B0F7-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to intervene here, but Maria should NEVER have published with a guy whose last name is a conjunction. For one thing it leaves authorship open: Miekal and who? - Alan On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Bob > > Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just because I quit college 8 > times, & am still a freshman, & my view of capitalizing proper names is > inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 days before my > birthday. > > mIEKAL > > > On Sunday, December 21, 2003, at 05:40 AM, Bob Grumman wrote: > > >> well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry > >> division executive > >> election. > > > > Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling > > hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get > > some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get > > anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- > > you shouldda held off on getting published as > > co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! > > > > --Bob G. > http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm finger sondheim@panix.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:07:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: lopsided pill becomes identified MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII lopsided pill becomes identified with pillar - this 2 the best of my recollection - thematic tracking etc - i have infinite sides - begin anywhere - they diverge - come 2 fruition - my work is multivalent - there is no end 2 it - such was written in the dark hours of futile despair therefore production after another interview about xyz and i think it is one for the ages , how will i shine in an other's light _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:34:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <20031221144153.VTHJ20397.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DBY2CM31> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Since I'm not a member of the MLA, I saved them great embarrassment. If I >had belonged and they had nominated me, I would have had to resign, in >keeping with Mencken's statement about belonging to any group that would >have him as a member---or officer. > >Vernon I always heard that that was Groucho Marx. -- George Bowering Dirty car, dirty mind. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:35:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Vernon; I think it was Groucho Marx who said, "I don't want to belong to any group that would have me as a member." Your brows are set too high. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernon Frazer" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 6:41 AM Subject: Re: mla poetry > Since I'm not a member of the MLA, I saved them great embarrassment. If I > had belonged and they had nominated me, I would have had to resign, in > keeping with Mencken's statement about belonging to any group that would > have him as a member---or officer. > > Vernon > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:51:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George It was one grouch or the other. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of George Bowering Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 12:34 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: mla poetry >Since I'm not a member of the MLA, I saved them great embarrassment. If I >had belonged and they had nominated me, I would have had to resign, in >keeping with Mencken's statement about belonging to any group that would >have him as a member---or officer. > >Vernon I always heard that that was Groucho Marx. -- George Bowering Dirty car, dirty mind. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:54:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <004301c3c7e8$de805bc0$9cfdfc83@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit { Vernon; { { I think it was Groucho Marx who said, "I don't want to belong to any group { that would have me as a member." { Your brows are set too high. { { -Joel And Marx cribbed it from Abe Lincoln? "I can never be satisfied with anyone who would be blockhead enough to have me." -- Abraham Lincoln Lift up your head, Vernon. Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." --Robert Ashley Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 10:54:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: How do you solve a problem like Maria? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii How do you catch a cloud and pin it down? --- Maria Damon wrote: > argghh! my careerist instincts are AWLL WRAWNGGG... > somebody give me > that careerist lobotomy pleeze... everyone's emails > are restoring my > faith --thanks kirby bob g aldon and walter... > > At 5:40 AM -0800 12/21/03, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry > >> division executive > >> election. > > > >Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling > >hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get > >some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to > get > >anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- > >you shouldda held off on getting published as > >co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for > gawdzsake! > > > >--Bob G. > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > -- ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:07:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: travis ortiz Subject: reading in san diego In-Reply-To: <20031221185408.54413.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit could someone post the information about the reading at the museum of contemporary art in san diego on the 28th? i seem to have lost the previous post with the details. thanks, travis Travis Ortiz _____________________________________________________ another voice for peace 415.652.9241 | traffic@atelos.org www.atelos.org/travis/illustration/fifty_percent.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:09:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Re: How do you solve a problem like Maria? In-Reply-To: <20031221185408.54413.qmail@web40801.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kazim, You're quoting The Sound of Music? Has the world gone topsy turvy? happy holidays all, david ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:18:07 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/21/03 9:33:14 AM, dtv@MWT.NET writes: << Bob Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just because I quit college 8 times, & am still a freshman, & my view of capitalizing proper names is inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 days before my birthday. mIEKAL >> I'm not Bob, but Happy Birthday anyway. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:40:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To think of Groucho reading Lincoln is enough to split one's sides with laughter. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Halvard Johnson" To: Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:54 AM Subject: Re: mla poetry > { Vernon; > { > { I think it was Groucho Marx who said, "I don't want to belong to any group > { that would have me as a member." > { Your brows are set too high. > { > { -Joel > > And Marx cribbed it from Abe Lincoln? > > "I can never be satisfied with anyone who would > be blockhead enough to have me." > -- Abraham Lincoln > > Lift up your head, Vernon. > > Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." > --Robert Ashley > > Halvard Johnson > =============== > email: halvard@earthlink.net > website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:50:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: SPD at MLA Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed SPD will have a table at MLA. A good place to take a look, if you haven't seen it, at Across the Line / Al otro lado: The Poetry of Baja California, edited by Harry Polkinhorn and yours truly. Not to mention all the other goodies they'll be showing. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:58:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <004201c3c7fa$50b50d60$a3fdfc83@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >To think of Groucho reading Lincoln is enough to split one's sides with >laughter. > >-Joel > Why would Lincoln be funnier than T.S. Eliot? -- George Bowering Dirty car, dirty mind. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:37:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: some poems poems poems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Online --- not listed Return to a term burned field blue flaxen wax watershed we left in the yellow waves windy rows rolled down bails the boat into a tractor call this prairie, or not. French Craters in America Seems brutal enough hate our own language a slashed shoulder stashed soldier that soldered grammar - prepositional clause - adjacent to the bank the one on the left or the one that left right? Spell blonde synonymous with ambition syndrome - the slice of a line lingers illingly-o! awe only under full moons a black and white television cast heapward today sitcoms blocks ahead swim upscreen darkly dead dark clouds waft Churchbells in Space and a Bass Line I've always wanted to be a nihilist but I really love antiques. Husky Jerk Suspending 'ELLO boat rentals please clew jump for corona on the bottom of the shoe swap Meow, eaves clough author hue modern lake hook run a splint fern fly captured relic plummets I'm plicated St Peter's guide to elementary hook practice Debbie the tight little lock picker Ich! is such a suck, er Night at the Pirate's Cove Concerned conch shell is a hell of an S, a raft at sea or a crafty little boy. Fire, a carafe, that is to say a bound lass; lessons and lesions and other things nice or else worm music. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:17:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hal's .sig said: > "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." > --Robert Ashley Though, Buddy, the world's greatest piano player heard the bartender tell him "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, Buddy." -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb@eskimo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:51:44 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I watched the Britney Spears bio on E! the other night -- it said that when she was 12 she tried out and was rejected by the Mickey Mouse Club. She was deeply depressed for about a year, and then began to reinvent herself with a savage fury. And now look at her career! The MLA is about the equivalent of the Mickey Mouse Club in my estimation. The future looks good for you from this vantage point. It just means that there are better things for you to do. Another viewpoint -- Charlie Altieri once said in a conference that the reason everybody loves Kafka is that everybody feels that they can't get justice, and can't even find a proper judge, and they are waiting at the doors of the palace only to never be let in. The MLA is just that kind of institution, I guess. So big that nobody feels like they are inside of it, and if you could only get in, life would be different. But it's just another Mickey Mouse Club. -- Kirby Maria Damon wrote: > argghh! my careerist instincts are AWLL WRAWNGGG... somebody give me > that careerist lobotomy pleeze... everyone's emails are restoring my > faith --thanks kirby bob g aldon and walter... > > At 5:40 AM -0800 12/21/03, Bob Grumman wrote: > > > well folks i did not prevail in the mla poetry > >> division executive > >> election. > > > >Thank goodness for that! How could I keep feeling > >hugely superior to the MLA if they ever let YOU get > >some kind of office, Maria! But if you wanted to get > >anywhere in the MLA--of ANYwhere, for that matter-- > >you shouldda held off on getting published as > >co-author of a book with *mIEKAL aND*, for gawdzsake! > > > >--Bob G. > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:08:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: question about "Defoe" by Leslie Scalapino In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am reading this book now and finding it quite compelling and newly--sadly--relevant as it with precisely this: historical amnesia during "first" Gulf War--also how experience is mediated and how language is whored-- so my question to anyone who has read this book (or anyone who wrote it!)--do the first and second parts function as discrete units separate from each other or is it a unified work with a part 1 and a part 2. the "narrative" doesn't point this out, neither do the characters, neither does (oddly) the jacket copy--so is it strictly a reader's choice or is there an authorial intent in it. There's been a lot of discussion about Leslie Scalapino on the list lately, and it strikes me that she is one of those writers (I know there are others) where sometimes you are talking about Leslie Scalapino but most of the time you are talking about "Leslie Scalapino" who's less an actual person with quirks and hurts and personal needs, desires, or even selfishnesses, and more a socially constructed aesthetic position. The other thing that's occurred to me is that many people who discuss Leslie Scalapino or "Leslie Scalapino" may not (or maybe may--) have read some of the books she (I mean she--because "she" hasn't written any books, though this is often argued) has written. I'm of the latter, at any rate--hadn't really read much (a piece here and there) but the recent discussion made want to read some of the actual text. I'm not an expert, nor can I really put anything together in words to describe why I am enjoying "Defoe" so much, but let me just, as a new reader of Leslie's, recommend the book as a very interesting, odd, lyrical, compelling read. "Defoe" is resonating oddly against the quotidian life: driving to work, feeling cold, remember what I've forgotten, worry about my dad, hearing war coverage on the radio, etc.--it is like life but also not like it--perhaps it is written in the same key or written using the same instruments, or something like that--in terms of trying to actually *enact* life in language it feels like Woolf or Stein or Sarraute or the evening news or the public world/syntactically impermanence. so that's it--does anyone know the answer to the question--? i ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:41:51 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: question about "Defoe" by Leslie Scalapino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is this Kazim Ali speaking or 'Kazim Ali'? This list qua 'listserv' has figured in (been a figure in) the "poem" 'Spring' which was about this spring and published in poethia online. tom bell Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:45:40 -0800 Reply-To: pdunagan@lycos.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Organization: Lycos Mail (http://www.mail.lycos.com:80) Subject: New from Auguste Press Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm forwarding this to the list on behalf of the press. ----------- NEW FROM AUGUSTE PRESS: Pop Junk by Jeff Karl Butler Cover by Micah Ballard $5 Somewhere Most separate the gears are as if Yoda rode a motorcycle or grapes the size of balloons we shake when we feel these where were so many near ones and people were as ifs in this night when dogs fill in the spaces of the poem Other books from Auguste Press : Sunnylyn Thibodeaux Curves & Curses Micah Ballard Negative Capbility in the verse of John Wieners Skip Fox Adventures of Max & Maxine Stephen Ellis A Natural History of Suchness Kevin Opstedal 9th & Ocean Forthcoming Spring 04: Sunnylyn Thibodeaux Last We Spoke Patrick Dunagan After the Sinews Auguste Press 659 Fillmore St San Francisco, CA 94117 ____________________________________________________________ Free Poetry Contest. Win $10,000. Submit your poem @ Poetry.com! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;6750922;3807821;l?http://www.poetry.com/contest/contest.asp?Suite=A59101 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 19:16:17 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As more and more scholars demand tolerance it is somewhat exasperating to watch public spaces close into themselves. There are now walled suburbs, and malls in which it is forbidden to "loiter," or to pass out any kind of political information in that every inch of a mall is owned by its owners. City centers are vanishing in the newer towns such as Silicon Valley and Beaverton, Oregon. There is no place to exchange conversation except through cyberspace. Once or twice a year I can afford to go to a conference, and there I hope to have some new impressions, and to meet one new person, and talk with them for several hours. And when I read about how lonely and psychologically depressed many of the poets on this list were a few weeks back it seemed to me that this is a pervasive phenomenon. This is partially why I turned to the church. It's made up of grandmothers and grandchildren, and all kinds of people in between. There is no requirement that one be brilliant, or even intelligent. Retarded people are as acceptable as witty fast talkers. People of every race come, and they're accepted. What I like best is being able to sing together. It's so wonderful. It's really the only bright spot in terms of a large community (larger than my family) where I don't have to arrange things for days in advance in order to get together with people. The schedule is printed out, so you just have to follow it. As you look back through English and American literary history a great number of poets have found sustenance in the church. EVen gay poets such as W.H. Auden have found a home there, and this will be increasingly so -- not only in the Episcopalian church but in many others. We have gay people who come to our tiny rural church, and they're totally accepted. They're no different from masturbators, my pastor has told me privately, and who doesn't masturbate? You have to look at the bigger picture of who a person is, he said. This is a rural church, and even here gay people are totally accepted. In the big cities many of the members of churches are gay, and increasingly are going to be leading the services, especially among Episcopalians. At any rate, I was feeling sorry for all the poets on this list who've listed themselves as very depressed. Churches, synagogues, mosques, and so on, all are open at this season when people can get very isolated. I'm going to be off list until after Christmas due to family stuff so I wanted to extend this invitation before I took off. If you are feeling lonely on Christmas Day when everything is closed, just go into a church. No matter who or what you are you will be accepted. Churches and religious institutions generally are for all the miserable outcast people who feel left out and forlorn. They were like this in the beginning, and still are -- a place for everyone who has been beaten by life (and who isn't?) to come and feel safe and in a sense of communion for a few hours. Feel welcome. You don't have to believe in God. Nobody really does. Luther himself said that only a lunatic could believe in God. I don't. Well, I do when there's a very good song, and I get involved in it, but for the most part I don't. Since poets are pretty close to lunatics maybe they'll have a better chance to believe in God than me. At any rate, you don't have to believe in God to go in. It's not really possible to be a reasonable person and to believe in God anyway. Happy Holidays -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:39:44 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: mla poetry Comments: To: olsonjk@delhi.edu In-Reply-To: <3FE637D1.2DEEFDD@delhi.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Some hu8mor for the holidays. Always appreciated. Mark, de profundis. At 07:16 PM 12/21/2003 -0500, Kirby Olson wrote: >As more and more scholars demand tolerance it is somewhat exasperating >to watch public spaces close into themselves. There are now walled >suburbs, and malls in which it is forbidden to "loiter," or to pass out >any kind of political information in that every inch of a mall is owned >by its owners. City centers are vanishing in the newer towns such as >Silicon Valley and Beaverton, Oregon. There is no place to exchange >conversation except through cyberspace. Once or twice a year I can >afford to go to a conference, and there I hope to have some new >impressions, and to meet one new person, and talk with them for several >hours. > >And when I read about how lonely and psychologically depressed many of >the poets on this list were a few weeks back it seemed to me that this >is a pervasive phenomenon. > >This is partially why I turned to the church. It's made up of >grandmothers and grandchildren, and all kinds of people in between. >There is no requirement that one be brilliant, or even intelligent. >Retarded people are as acceptable as witty fast talkers. People of >every race come, and they're accepted. What I like best is being able >to sing together. It's so wonderful. It's really the only bright spot >in terms of a large community (larger than my family) where I don't have >to arrange things for days in advance in order to get together with >people. The schedule is printed out, so you just have to follow it. > >As you look back through English and American literary history a great >number of poets have found sustenance in the church. EVen gay poets >such as W.H. Auden have found a home there, and this will be >increasingly so -- not only in the Episcopalian church but in many >others. We have gay people who come to our tiny rural church, and >they're totally accepted. They're no different from masturbators, my >pastor has told me privately, and who doesn't masturbate? You have to >look at the bigger picture of who a person is, he said. This is a rural >church, and even here gay people are totally accepted. In the big cities >many of the members of churches are gay, and increasingly are going to >be leading the services, especially among Episcopalians. > >At any rate, I was feeling sorry for all the poets on this list who've >listed themselves as very depressed. Churches, synagogues, mosques, and >so on, all are open at this season when people can get very isolated. >I'm going to be off list until after Christmas due to family stuff so I >wanted to extend this invitation before I took off. If you are feeling >lonely on Christmas Day when everything is closed, just go into a >church. No matter who or what you are you will be accepted. > >Churches and religious institutions generally are for all the miserable >outcast people who feel left out and forlorn. They were like this in >the beginning, and still are -- a place for everyone who has been beaten >by life (and who isn't?) to come and feel safe and in a sense of >communion for a few hours. > >Feel welcome. You don't have to believe in God. Nobody really does. >Luther himself said that only a lunatic could believe in God. I don't. >Well, I do when there's a very good song, and I get involved in it, but >for the most part I don't. Since poets are pretty close to lunatics >maybe they'll have a better chance to believe in God than me. At any >rate, you don't have to believe in God to go in. It's not really >possible to be a reasonable person and to believe in God anyway. > >Happy Holidays -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:02:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: JUNKFILM tendency split017.avi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII JUNKFILM tendency split017.avi RIFF8 AVI LIST hdrlavih8 strlstrh8 vidsraw strf( raw indx( 00dc odmldmlh LIST$ moviJUNK RIFF8 RIFF8 AVI LIST LIST AVI hdrlavih8 hdrlavih8 strlstrh8 strlstrh8 vidsraw vidsraw strf( strf( raw raw indx( indx( 00dc 00dc odmldmlh odmldmlh LIST$ LIST$ moviJUNK moviJUNK RIFF8 AVI LIST hdrlavih8 LIST strlstrh8 vidsraw strf( raw indx( 00dc LIST odmldmlh LIST$ moviJUNK RIFF8 AVI LIST hdrlavih8 LIST strlstrh8 vidsraw strf( raw indx( 00dc LIST odmldmlh LIST$ moviJUNK RIFF8 AVI LIST hdrlavih8 LIST strlstrh8 vidsraw strf( raw indx( 00dc LIST odmldmlh LIST$ moviJUNK THIS IS AS DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW AS IT IS TO SWALLOW. _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:35:08 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Mary Margaret Sloan on poetry in Chicago No one listens to poetry But they sure do love to read poetics -- the aesthetics of rubbernecking Sentences along Guermantes Way James Rother fumes & harrumphs -- clearing a path for a stronger School of Quietude? Windmills & Scalapino's plahn A holograph edition of Niedecker's Paean to Place Gabriel Martinez' homage to Michelle Kwan Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Poetry & page size Hilda Doolittle's End of Torment & the question of Undine Alfred Starr Hamilton Surrealism of the street Velocity & range in poetry - The example of Michael McClure Fifteen Fleas by Michael McClure Cheers for David Baratier - Rodney Koeneke on a contest with integrity http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:33:41 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hlazer Subject: Brian McHale's new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hot off the press: The University of Alabama Press and the Modern and Contemporary Poetics series are pleased to announce that the latest title in the series, Brian McHale's "The Obligation Toward the Difficult Whole: Postmodernist Long Poems" has just been released. Copies will be available at Alabama booth in the exhibit hall at MLA. McHale's study is an eclectic analysis of nine long poems by postmodernist poets both familiar and marginalized. Addressing subjects as wide ranging as angelology, the court masque, pop art, caricature, the cult of the ruin, hip-hop, Spencer's Irish policy, and the aesthetics of silence, McHale identifies a repertoire of elements characteristic of these long poems, and the ways they overlap, interfere, echo, amplify and reinforce one another, forming in the end "a difficult whole." McHale's book is the winner of the 2002 Elizabeth Agee Prize for Outstanding Scholarship in the Field of American Literary Studies. --Hank Lazer ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 08:36:21 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Brian McHale's new book In-Reply-To: <3FE700C5.9080904@bama.ua.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which long poems are those? On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 08:33 AM, hlazer wrote: > Hot off the press: > > McHale's study is an eclectic analysis of nine long > poems by postmodernist poets both familiar and marginalized. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:55:09 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Merry ? Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Everyone, Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. Plus a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wisher. (Disclaimer: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher who assumes no responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.) Happy Holidays!!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 09:06:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Art and Reagan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent piece on Art and Reagan. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15523-2003Dec19.html -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:25:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Merry ? In-Reply-To: <37F6D314-3497-11D8-A9E6-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish you a correspondingly appropriate holiday, as well. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of mIEKAL aND Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:55 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Merry ? Everyone, Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. Plus a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wisher. (Disclaimer: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher who assumes no responsibility for any unintended emotional stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday spirit.) Happy Holidays!!! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:26:42 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: RaeA100900@AOL.COM Subject: Re: reading in san diego MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Travis, At your request, I'm posting again: On Dec. 28th, from 6:00-9:00 the Museum of Contemporary Art San Diego at 1001 Kettner (at Broadway) will host a group reading by poets participating in MLA, followed by a reception and book signing. 26 poets are scheduled to read for about 5 minutes apiece. Obviously, we didn't know about every poet coming to San Diego. Putting a list together was a bit of a shot in the dark. We looked through the PMLA book on top of whatever personal info we had. Sorry to any of you unjustly overlooked. Hope to see you there anyway. Readers include: David Antin, Rae Armantrout, Susan Briante, Louis Cabri, Joshua Clover, Michael Davidson, Richard Deming, Stacy Doris, Dan Featherston, Gloria Gervitz, Carla Harryman, Nancy Kuhl, Hank Lazer, Nicole Markotic, Mark McMorris, Laura Moriarty, Eileen Myles, Jena Osman, Ted Pearson, Peter Ramos, Joe Ross, Jerome Rothenberg, Juliana Spahr, Lorenzo Thomas, Pasquale Verdicchio, Barrett Watten and Elizabeth Willis. The reading will proceed in more or less alphabetical order. The museum is near the convention center and hotels. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:27:43 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: A fortunate month MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all - People have been so nice to my work and Lester's work as of late. It's frankly astonishing to me, a thrill. I want to thank these individuals for making my holidays softer, warmer. Here's the rundown: Andrei Codrescu's journal _Exquisite Corpse_ has published one offensive poem (picking a fight), one morbid poem (death in 3/4 time), and one political poem of mine (ahh, the horrors of fighting for an improved self) in their latest issue: http://corpse.org. WARNING: Not for those who have negatively experience discomfort. Heh. Ron Silliman recently reviewed Lester's book, _Be Somebody_. Get this: a review while in manuscript(!) form. It's almost unheard of. Yeah, the book remains unpublished; Lester has been known to shudder at the cruelty of this world. No longer. How kind of Ron to not only read it, but to review it, review it glowingly, review it intelligently, and place the review on his highly-regarded blog. As a conceptual work Lester's book has puzzled even the best of readers, but not Ron, not in the slightest. Lester and I are both stunned, shocked, overwhelmed, & excited at its reception. www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069676 89727936416 www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069851 89792633838 (If you can't use the above long web addresses, you can also get to the articles via links at the top of: http://proximate.org/works/htm). Chris Murray runs a wonderful blog called _TexFiles_ (http://texfiles.blogspot.com/) where she regularly runs a "Poet of the Week" feature. She made me poet of the week this week. Each day this week she will post a poem of mine along with an mp3 for each piece. Thanks Chris! Dave Bircumshaw runs a great journal called _A Chide's Alphabet_ which recently released its third issue. He has given a number of my poems the light of day in his new issue. http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk/ How nice of David to include some of my poems alongside the work of such fantastic writers as Philip Nikolayev, Sheila Murphy, Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, and Pierre Joris. On the home front, I wrote a poem for the Town of Carrboro (my home in North Carolina) which at a later yet-to-be-determined date will be placed on a public mural in the downtown area. The poem is entitled, "I am not a wall." Thanks to the hard work of the Carrboro Arts Committee, Jackie Helvey-Hayes and Catherine DeVine, for putting the mural in motion and for asking me to write a poem for it. I feel honored and privileged. Jackie and Catherine have worked hard to improve the quality of community arts initiatives, and have taken a bit of heat for that hard work. They deserve every bit off appreciation due to them. Finally (phew!), I will be giving a reading along with Joe Donahue at Sizl Gallery in Carrboro (http://sizlgallery.com/) on January 22nd at 8pm. Poet Ken Rumble has moved his Desert City Reading Series from Winston-Salem North Carolina to Carrboro. The reading should last about an hour and wine will likely be served. The date is not yet fixed in stone. Thanks Ken. So thanks Andrei, Ron, Chris, Dave, Jackie, Catherine, and Ken. Thanks for making my efforts feel appreciated. Oh I need to add a big hearty thanks to shirlette ammons, Doug Stuber, Chuck Fager, and Evie Shockley for reading at the Poets Against the Shrub reading this past October. I learned a lot about how not to run a reading, but despite my organizational shortcomings, they were marvelous. A special thanks to Temple Ball and Rick Ramirez for making it happen. Patrick http://proximate.org/works.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 14:16:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: Small Press Culture Workers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SMALL PRESS CULTURE WORKERS: A Conference on Small Presses in Ithaca, NY = February 7, 2004 Small Press Culture Workers is a forum for poets, publishers, and = editors of small, independent presses and magazines as well as = publishers of artist's books to investigate the sub-economic force of = small press publishing. Cultural work made possible by artists and = editors committed to building and sustaining community, beyond simply = marketing and consumable products, will be examined through a variety of = papers and talks given by panel presentations.=20 Presenters include: Charles Alexander, Chax Press Allison Cobb, co-editor, POM2 Jennifer Coleman, co-editor, POM2 Rory Golden, Executive Director, Center for Book Arts Brendan Lorber, Editor, Lungfull! Jennifer Savran, LunaSea Bindery and Press Juliana Spahr, co-editor, Chain, Subpress Buzz Spector, former editor of White Walls, Chair, Department of Art, = Cornell University Mark Weiss, Editor, Junction Press The conference includes panel presentations, small press book fair, = gallery exhibit: "Pages," curated by Buzz Spector, at the Ink Shop/Olive = Branch Press and a group reading by the poet/publishers in attendance as = part of the West End Reading Series February event. The Clinton House, = 116 N. Cayuga Street, Ithaca, NY. Contact Jane Sprague for further = information regarding registration, lodging and conference details at = janesprague@clarityconnect.com or (607) 564-3617. = http://www.palmpress.org/culture_workers.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:31:47 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking from across the Atlantic here, a few things come to mind. 1. I'm not a blogger nor a blog-looker in the main, but Ron's is one I do drop in on because of its range, its links, and its general food for thought, that always hungry creature. 2. Of particular interest to me of late has been Ron's engagement with James Rother's articles in CPR - I've been following the same - my perspective being that of a Brit who is dissatisfied with the predominant poetic culture over here and who is scratching his head ion bewilderment at why some US editors seem to want to take that establishment voice as a model for the US and its poetics, pace Hall's standard of desirable British models and, too, more recently, Dana Gioia's resurrection of something similar. Rother's wonderfully over-written and over-charged articles are a delight, both in what one could contend with and what one agrees with. My own perspective remains one of head-scratching, what on earth is Neo-Formalism and why do some Americans want it? Although it can seem so, I don't think there is an equivalent over here, gestures towards such, maybe, but no more, if anything it is a matter of neo-bourgeoisisme, sometimes on the surface formal, but really being a congerie of socially-coded language that transmits a message of being in positions of importance, like our anodyne Poet Laureate, whom Andrew Duncan rightly characterised as having 'the right combination of reason and mediocrity'. It is very difficult to see someone like Simon Armitage, whose declared metrics consist of 'making sure the lines are of roughly the same length' as any kind of a formalist, rather as a kind of voice for literate young-to-middling arts administrators and their like, a voice of the jaunty joking up-and-coming. Some of them I can quite like at times: last night on BBC 4 there was a programme linked by Sean O'Brien about piano tuners, it was warm and human and not presented by the poems of O'Brien the literary bully-boy, which he can be, but rather a human being speaking other humans with humanity. I know that in the States you do not have quite anything like the Beeb, nor our own culture's peculiar combination of awareness of the arts (where else in the world could there have been a Parliamentary debate on the declining standards of national poetry, as there was in The House of Lords a few years back?) with out-and-out philistinism, not for nothing are we the home of the gutter press, nor does our arts funding, apart from the lucky few, compare with the dollars that can still be awash in Uncle Sam's domains. 3. Nowhere could I be more aware of being an outsider looking-in than in the furore over Ron's remarks on Leslie - I just thought it was a piece of fulsome praise but realise from the responses that there are signals, issues, going on that I simply cannot read. One little note - remember, you wonderful infuriating gifted noisy Americans that what is native to you is not necessarily meaningful outside the States, try to understand that we are other, that is. All the Best AND A MERRY CHRISTMAS Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Silliman's Blog http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Mary Margaret Sloan on poetry in Chicago No one listens to poetry But they sure do love to read poetics -- the aesthetics of rubbernecking Sentences along Guermantes Way James Rother fumes & harrumphs -- clearing a path for a stronger School of Quietude? Windmills & Scalapino's plahn A holograph edition of Niedecker's Paean to Place Gabriel Martinez' homage to Michelle Kwan Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Poetry & page size Hilda Doolittle's End of Torment & the question of Undine Alfred Starr Hamilton Surrealism of the street Velocity & range in poetry - The example of Michael McClure Fifteen Fleas by Michael McClure Cheers for David Baratier - Rodney Koeneke on a contest with integrity http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:08:07 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: Re: mla poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kirby, I agree. Churches are full of normal people, and that's one reason I love mine. In St. Louis, what better place to hang out than at New City Fellowship with people from Mexico, Congo, Ethiopia, France, students from Washington University, University of Missouri, Forest Park Community college, truckers, carpenters, lawyers, artists, poets, musicians, doctors? Singing, dancing, eating, talking, laughing, and arguing! By george, it's Whitmanesque! Everyone's invited. And everyone is also invited to my yearly bowling party -- http://belz.net/2004/ -- Just let me know how many people you plan to bring. We'll probably have 200 this year. I got wind that all of the New City Fellowship Ethiopians are going to be there with all their kids, so that would be a good chance to meet them. And more to the point of this list, I DO HOPE you will consider attending a reading or two in the City Museum series -- http://belz.net/readings/. Why not visit in April to see Mary Jo Bang and Susan Schultz? The Cardinals will kick off their summer schedule then, too, so you have the opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. With warm regards, AB ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:37:31 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Oxen-Wound Marks Out The City Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thomas Hardy's furniture swells up to three times the natural size thus I finally get what I want for Christmas the Bard of _The Dynasts_'s toes adrift on an ottoman, & Hardy's blanket, scaled, pledged a school of sustenance hidden but hardly untoward - his summons dissolved in the heart this mailing wrenched motiveless the last parcel the Gates Of Sympathy signed for kept its own counsel, paled a planned return & no sooner does Hardy start to raise his hand then the fruity Apostle hastens to frame a reply, prohibited unawares to turn classical - his soot-stained orbit kicked out of gentler suspicions & a touch of panic top secret but for one word: TOMB upper limbs dipping the flagstaff (a blink is as good as a wink (to a blind horse) Augeas has animals in his animal stable -- you think this is a rhyme but it's a fable -- TOMB was renamed Stable, for it's to contain Virginia... hist! else Medusa will use her mirrored artery to espy my caduceus (no thunder of ideology can stall this artery, cavalier as squeezed-out isinglass) _________________________________________________________________ Get dial-up Internet access now with our best offer: 6 months @$9.95/month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:45:30 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Chomsky on the BBC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This just in from another list: For Chomsky fans, a little bit of oral entertainment. http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/the_interview.shtml -Ben ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:20:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Madeline Albright Says Bin Laden Scheduled To Be Captured Late October 2004 Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Halliburton, Bechtel Strike Deal To Resume Oil and Construction Business With Libya Interrupted In The 90's Under Guise of WMD Dismantling: Cheney Administration Plays Nuclear Weapons Canard With A Wink From Gadhafi: Rumsfeld: We Wanted To Invade Libya But We're Fucked In Afghanistan and Iraq: Madeline Albright Says Bin Laden Scheduled To Be Captured Late October 2004 by Ken Gno Fireass The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 18:28:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brennen Lukas Subject: Re: Merry ? In-Reply-To: <37F6D314-3497-11D8-A9E6-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v552) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll restrain myself from feeling offended. Brennen http://home.comcast.net/~blukas/hurt_blogger.html On Monday, December 22, 2003, at 10:55 AM, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Everyone, Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best > wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low > stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter > solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the > religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect > for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or > their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. > > Plus a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically > uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted > calendar year, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice > of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make > America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than > any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), > and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, > religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of > the wisher. > > (Disclaimer: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. > This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely > transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no > promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for > her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is > revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted > to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for > a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday > greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement > of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the > wisher who assumes no responsibility for any unintended emotional > stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday > spirit.) > > Happy Holidays!!! > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 17:51:15 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: MLA & MCP Series In-Reply-To: <3FE3276B.7060304@bama.ua.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always been sorry I missed you at LMU a few years ago; I'll try to drop by at the MLA -- I'd like to meet you! All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of hlazer Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:30 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: MLA & MCP Series Poetics List persons: I encourage you to drop by the University of Alabama Press booth at MLA. I'd like you to see the various books in the Modern and Contemporary Poetics Series. Various MCP authors will be at the MLA convention and hanging out at the UA Press booth. I will be at the booth Sunday, Dec. 28: 2-3:30 Monday, Dec. 29: 9-11 Tuesday, Dec. 30: 10-11 I'd be pleased to talk to anyone about projects that you're working on that might become future MCP Series titles. And I'd be glad to talk to you about forthcoming MCP books by Michael Magee, Jed Rasula, Marjorie Perloff, Aldon Nielsen, Rosmarie Waldrop, Brian McHale, Ben Friedlander, Abigail Childs, Peter Middleton, and recent MCP books such as Architectural Body by Madeline Gins and Arakawa and Another South: Experimental Writing in the South (ed. by Bill Lavender). Additional information about the MCP Series can be found at: http://www.uapress.ua.edu/authors/poetics3.html or in an ad in the current issue of Rain Taxi. I hope to see many of you at the group poetry reading on Dec. 28, 6-9, at the Museum of Contemporary Art downtown. 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(42) (DF) please tell everyone UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST UDP PACKET(137): QUERY; REQUEST; BROADCAST you are there for me UDP PACKET(138) UDP PACKET(138) UDP PACKET(138) +++ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:51:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: from brooklyn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII theyre' coming in the tubes, several to each tunnel, theyll' burn furiously, theyll' be in trunks of invisible cars, theyll' be the cargo in the golfbag, the petcarrier- litterbox-, theyll' be simultaneous, were' waiting for the compression wave, air and steel have nowhere to go, the waters rush in, people screening, theres' no escape, theres' the blank slate - were' here in brooklyn, were' waiting for the end, theres' not enough food, theres' not enough anything, the airs' thick with it, as i said were' cut off, the tunnels are blocked with mangled cars, trucks, buses, bodies, the bridges cant' bear the weight, its' beyond alert, its' taking over all thought and presence, its' their gift to us, its' our gift to ourselves - we can only imagine youre' there, were' starving out here, this is going nowhere, the electrics' cold, the presidents' an evil thing, i thought: ill' never look into the face of evil again, i was wrong - he turned the world into a black slate, flesh into smashed flesh, memory into smashed debris, he taunted them, they came for him, they brought the rest of us along, we couldnt' fight it, they got to all of us - the lights' gone out all over, theyve' seen the whites of our eyes, were' going to die out here, youve' no idea, were' on an island past an island, were' cut off, theres' no food or water, fires everywhere, father kills son, son kills father, the tunnels are drowned, brooklyn is burning, women aren't safe on the streets, theres' no shelter, were' going to kill ourselves, theres' no help for it, were' burned out, the bridges are next, weve' lost cellular, static on the radio, ive' got batteries, ill' listen to some foreign station on the shortwave, theyre' out there - they couldnt' be caught, you cant' stop everything in the tubes, its' like from one family to another, from one warehouse to another, even an ambulance, the police will make way, theyll' let them through, theyll' make it happen, its' going to happen, its' coming now, its' not a dream, theres' no food, theres' no water, i cant' make sense of things, we couldnt' fight it, the worlds' exploded, the subways are next, ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:01:52 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: A fortunate month Comments: To: patrick@proximate.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Patricj Herron wrote: >Dave Bircumshaw runs a great journal called _A Chide's Alphabet_ which recently released its third issue. He has given a number of my poems the light of day in his new issue. http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk/ How nice of David to include some of my poems alongside the work of such fantastic writers as Philip Nikolayev, Sheila Murphy, Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, and Pierre Joris.< Your fine poems were fit for their company, Patrick. All the Best from a flu-and-cold-afflicted Britain (where it seems that a higher proportion of the population die from hypothermia and related illnesses than do in Finland or Russia, typically pensioners who can't afford their winter fuel bills, it is expected that somewhat over 2,000 will die in the cold spell that hangs over this festive week, however we are only the +fourth+ richest economy in the world so obviously the cost would be too high and the government has sent out leaflets and they do get Cold Weather Payments - after the bills they can't pay. A govt spokesman has said that 'strenuous efforts are made to persuade elderly people to keep warm but winter always takes Britain by surprise) Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Herron" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: A fortunate month Hi all - People have been so nice to my work and Lester's work as of late. It's frankly astonishing to me, a thrill. I want to thank these individuals for making my holidays softer, warmer. Here's the rundown: Andrei Codrescu's journal _Exquisite Corpse_ has published one offensive poem (picking a fight), one morbid poem (death in 3/4 time), and one political poem of mine (ahh, the horrors of fighting for an improved self) in their latest issue: http://corpse.org. WARNING: Not for those who have negatively experience discomfort. Heh. Ron Silliman recently reviewed Lester's book, _Be Somebody_. Get this: a review while in manuscript(!) form. It's almost unheard of. Yeah, the book remains unpublished; Lester has been known to shudder at the cruelty of this world. No longer. How kind of Ron to not only read it, but to review it, review it glowingly, review it intelligently, and place the review on his highly-regarded blog. As a conceptual work Lester's book has puzzled even the best of readers, but not Ron, not in the slightest. Lester and I are both stunned, shocked, overwhelmed, & excited at its reception. www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069676 89727936416 www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069851 89792633838 (If you can't use the above long web addresses, you can also get to the articles via links at the top of: http://proximate.org/works/htm). Chris Murray runs a wonderful blog called _TexFiles_ (http://texfiles.blogspot.com/) where she regularly runs a "Poet of the Week" feature. She made me poet of the week this week. Each day this week she will post a poem of mine along with an mp3 for each piece. Thanks Chris! Dave Bircumshaw runs a great journal called _A Chide's Alphabet_ which recently released its third issue. He has given a number of my poems the light of day in his new issue. http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk/ How nice of David to include some of my poems alongside the work of such fantastic writers as Philip Nikolayev, Sheila Murphy, Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, and Pierre Joris. On the home front, I wrote a poem for the Town of Carrboro (my home in North Carolina) which at a later yet-to-be-determined date will be placed on a public mural in the downtown area. The poem is entitled, "I am not a wall." Thanks to the hard work of the Carrboro Arts Committee, Jackie Helvey-Hayes and Catherine DeVine, for putting the mural in motion and for asking me to write a poem for it. I feel honored and privileged. Jackie and Catherine have worked hard to improve the quality of community arts initiatives, and have taken a bit of heat for that hard work. They deserve every bit off appreciation due to them. Finally (phew!), I will be giving a reading along with Joe Donahue at Sizl Gallery in Carrboro (http://sizlgallery.com/) on January 22nd at 8pm. Poet Ken Rumble has moved his Desert City Reading Series from Winston-Salem North Carolina to Carrboro. The reading should last about an hour and wine will likely be served. The date is not yet fixed in stone. Thanks Ken. So thanks Andrei, Ron, Chris, Dave, Jackie, Catherine, and Ken. Thanks for making my efforts feel appreciated. Oh I need to add a big hearty thanks to shirlette ammons, Doug Stuber, Chuck Fager, and Evie Shockley for reading at the Poets Against the Shrub reading this past October. I learned a lot about how not to run a reading, but despite my organizational shortcomings, they were marvelous. 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Necessarily the correct teco arena by FALTINGS (1983). alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:13:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mmagee@DEPT.ENGLISH.UPENN.EDU Subject: MLA & MCP Series - and my paper Comments: To: Catherine Daly In-Reply-To: <005c01c3c8f7$400fa3f0$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi everyone, just sending along a last minute shameless plug: I'll be presenting a paper at the MLA conference on what should prove to be a very interesting panel, "Emersonian Poetics in Contemporary Avant-Garde Poetry." My paper is entitled, "The Motives of Emancipated Prose: Emerson and the Collaborative Reader," and is distilled from a chapter in my forthcoming U Alabama book to which Hank alludes below, _Emancipating Pragmatism: Emerson, Jazz and Experimental Writing_. The other panel particpants are Hank himself, Joel Bettridge and Richard Deming. Hope to see some of you there! Tuesday, Dece. 30, 12pm, Cunningham A, Manchester Grand Hyatt -Mike. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of hlazer > Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:30 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: MLA & MCP Series > > Poetics List persons: > > I encourage you to drop by the University of Alabama Press booth at MLA. > I'd like you to see the various books in the Modern and Contemporary > Poetics Series. Various MCP authors will be at the MLA convention and > hanging out at the UA Press booth. I will be at the booth > > Sunday, Dec. 28: 2-3:30 > Monday, Dec. 29: 9-11 > Tuesday, Dec. 30: 10-11 > > I'd be pleased to talk to anyone about projects that you're working on > that might become future MCP Series titles. And I'd be glad to talk to > you about forthcoming MCP books by Michael Magee, Jed Rasula, Marjorie > Perloff, Aldon Nielsen, Rosmarie Waldrop, Brian McHale, Ben Friedlander, > Abigail Childs, Peter Middleton, and recent MCP books such as > Architectural Body by Madeline Gins and Arakawa and Another South: > Experimental Writing in the South (ed. by Bill Lavender). > > Additional information about the MCP Series can be found at: > > http://www.uapress.ua.edu/authors/poetics3.html > > or in an ad in the current issue of Rain Taxi. > > I hope to see many of you at the group poetry reading on Dec. 28, 6-9, > at the Museum of Contemporary Art downtown. > > Hank Lazer > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:38:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: -- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII if i write the future it won't happen if i write the future it will happen in any case i write the future _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:48:54 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Re: -- In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >if i write the future it won't happen >if i write the future it will happen > > > >in any case i write the future > > > > > - we write the future electric -- /KET ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:10:32 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: roger.day@GLOBALGRAPHICS.COM Subject: Re: -- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But all I've got is a Ticonderoga 2B pencil! Help!! Karl-Erik Tallmo To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent by: UB Poetics cc: discussion group Subject: Re: -- 23/12/2003 15:48 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group >if i write the future it won't happen >if i write the future it will happen > > > >in any case i write the future > > > > > - we write the future electric -- /KET ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:33:23 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Who Gets To Pick Iraq's Tattered Pocket: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press Two Corporate Fronts---the State Department and War Department Draw Battle Lines Over Who Gets To Pick Iraq's Tattered Pocket: Man On The Street: It's Like State Is Ted Bundy and Defense Is Richard Speck And Chalabi's John Wayne Gacy: Bremer: Mosques To Have Casino Gambling by Jim Krowner The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:06:43 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Baghdad Burning Update Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/ I find this site most better than most of what I read in the news - at least as a way of taking the human/Iraqi temperature in Baghdad. It's clearly unpretty scary if you are there. No one sure of what's to come, what can unwind its dark source. The intimations and implications of Civil War. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:23:48 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: INFO: new york city--amiri baraka/black music symposium Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit INFO: new york city--amiri baraka/black music symposium ============================================== Symposium to Examine the Study of Black Music Yonkers, NY, December, 2003 - Inspired by the work of Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones), particularly his 1963 history Blues People: Negro Music in White America, a generation of scholars in the field of jazz and blues music criticism was born, creating a legitimate space in the academy for the serious study of African American music. "Blues People: 40 Years Later, A Symposium" to be held at Sarah Lawrence College February 6 - 7, will honor Baraka's artistic legacy as well as focus attention on the pioneering scholarship that has grown out of those early years of the study of this uniquely American culture. Blues People was the first book-length history written by an African American that addressed the social, musical, economic, and cultural influences of the blues and jazz (which Baraka refers to as "Negro music") on American history. Symposium panels and lectures will speak to diverse aspects of jazz studies, including women's roles, black nationalism, and the development of rap music. Baraka's approach to music criticism was different from anything else that existed when he first began writing in the 1950s and 60s, partly because he was the only black writer in a field of white critics. Komozi Woodard, professor of history at Sarah Lawrence and the organizer of the symposium commented: "He was not simply describing the music, but he fashioned a type of writing that was itself an artistic performance about music." The symposium will culminate in a music and poetry performance by Baraka's group, "Blue Ark" that includes poets, blues singers, and other musicians led by saxophonist and professor of jazz studies at Rutgers University, Herbie Morgan. The group has performed in numerous countries around the world. The symposium's participants themselves reflect the growing recognition of jazz's academic significance in higher education. Blues and jazz have come of age in the university. For example, one of the featured panelists is Ingrid Monson, first appointed holder of Harvard University's Quincy Jones Chair created in 2000 to devote scholarship to jazz music and its implications in the African American experience. Monson will speak on a panel along with John Szwed of Yale University who will address "The Folk Communities of Amiri Baraka and Ralph Ellison," as well as Travis Jackson of the University of Chicago. Following is the complete Symposium Schedule: Blues People: 40 Years Later, A Symposium/ February 6-7, 2004 Reisinger Concert Hall, Sarah Lawrence College Friday 9:00 Registration 10:00 Welcome 10:15 Panel: Coltrane, Monk and Jazz Criticism Salim Washington, Robin Kelley, and John Gennari, "Baraka's Bohemian Blues" Scot Brown,"'Praise for the Imamu': Amiri Baraka, the Kawaida Recording (1969) and the Politics of Black Cultural Nationalism" 12:30-1:30 Lunch 2 pm, Panel: Black Pearls: Blues Women & What the Music Said Farah Jasmine Griffin, Mark Anthony Neal, Daphne Duval Harrison, "Blues Women: from the 1920s to the 1960s" 4 pm, Panel: Blues People, So What Travis Jackson, Ingrid Monson, John Szwed, "The Folk Communities of Amiri Baraka and Ralph Ellison" 6 pm, The Rap on the Music Business Chuck D (invited but not confirmed), Tracie Morris, and Carmen Ashhurst Woodard 8 pm Dinner Break Student party Saturday 10 a.m. Welcome 10:30, Panel: African American Dance Katrina Hazzard, Jookin': the rise of social dance in African American Culture, Jacqui Malone on choreographer, Cholly Atkins, genius of Motown choreography, Donna Peters, "Hearing Dance and Seeing Music - The Jazz Tap Community" 12:30-1:30 Lunch Saturday 2:00 p.m. Panel: Musicians on the Music Hilda Harris, Sarah Lawrence College, La Shonda Barnett, Sarah Lawrence College, David Burrell, "Daybreak," "David Burrell Plays Ellington & Monk," W.S. Tkweme, University of Massachusetts Saturday 4 p.m. Panel: The Poetics of the Music Tracie Morris, Eugene Redmond, and Amiri Baraka, Michael Simanga, "Blues People: African American Identity and Music in the 21st Century" Saturday 6 p.m. Dinner Break Saturday 7 p.m. Amiri Baraka and Blue Ark Music and poetry performance Participants Carmen Ashhurst Woodard, Sarah Lawrence College, formerly president of Def Jam Recording. Amiri Baraka and Blue Ark: blues, jazz and poetry group In addition to Blues People ,Black Music and The Music , Baraka is the author of over twenty plays, three jazz operas, more than eight books of nonfiction, two novels, a more than a dozen volumes of poetry. La Shonda Barnett, Sarah Lawrence College, social and cultural historian, is a Ph.D. candidate at William and Mary College. Scot Brown, historian at UCLA, and author of the new book, Fighting for US: Maulana Karenga, the US Organization, and Black Cultural Nationalism . David Burrell, pianist has performed on a number of albums including, David Burrell Plays Ellington & Monk . John Gennari, professor of history and cultural studies at the University of Vermont. Gennari is finishing a pioneering book on the music that includes a chapter of Baraka's role in jazz criticism in the 1950s. Hilda Harris, Sarah Lawrence College music faculty member, is a singer and actress, a performer in opera, oratorio, and orchestral concerts in the U.S. and Europe, a solo artist with the Metropolitan Opera Affiliate Artist Program and a freelance recording artist. Daphne Duval Harrison, emeritus, University of Maryland Harrison is a path-breaking historian of music who wrote the classic work, Black Pearls: Blues Queens of the 1920s , and who is editing an encyclopedia of the blues. Farah Jasmine Griffin, Columbia University, author of the new book, If You Can't Be Free, Be a Mystery: In Search of Billie Holiday . Professor Griffin is on the cutting edge of African American studies today. Katrina Hazzard is the author of the classic study of Black American dance, Jookin' the Rise of Social Dance formations in African American Culture . Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice is the prolific author of a number of books including the classic, Jazz: New Perspectives . Travis Jackson, University of Chicago, Music & the Humanities is one of the young lions in African American musical studies. Robin Kelley, Columbia University, is one of the leading scholars in American history, cultural studies, labor history, and African American Studies, who is now hard at work on a new book on the renowned jazz genius, Thelonius Monk. Jacqui Malone is an expert on the influential choreographer Cholly Atkins, one of the geniuses behind the Motown phenomenon and author of the book, Stepping on the Blues: The Visible Rhythms of African American Dance and co-author with Cholly Atkins of Class Act , which according to the library journal says: "The story of Cholly Atkins is that of 20th-century American jazz and tap dance...This book resonates with charm and provides solid information about the history of American jazz dance. Ingrid Monson is a noted scholar of jazz and the first appointed holder of Harvard University's Quincy Jones Chair. Tracie Morris, award-winning writing professor at Sarah Lawrence College and one of those who paved the way for performance poetry. Mark Anthony Neal, University of Texas, Austin, one of the rising stars in African American Studies who broke new interpretive ground with his book, What The Music Said . Donna Peters is sociologist and ethnographer at Temple University, specializing in performance and dance. Michael Simanga is a poet, cultural critic, music producer, and author of the novel, In the Shadow of the Sun . Simanga is one of the pillars of the Black Arts Movement. John Szwed has set the pace in cultural studies and biography for quite some time; his last two books are biographies of jazz musicians, Space in the Place: The Lives and Times of Sun Ra and So What: the Life of Miles Davis . He teaches at Yale University and is a guest this year at Center for Jazz Studies at Columbia University. W.S. Tkweme, University of Massachusetts. Mr. Tkweme has been a student and teacher of jazz history for some time now-sometimes on jazz radio and at times lecturing at American colleges. Salim Washington is one of the young lions in African American Studies as well as a professor of music and African American Studies at Brooklyn College, who is working on an important manuscript about John Coltrane and his music. Komozi Woodard, History faculty, Sarah Lawrence College, is the author of A Nation Within A Nation: Amiri Baraka (LeRoi Jones) and Black Power Politics and editor of Freedom North ,The Black Power Movement, and Groundwork . >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:18:38 -0800 Reply-To: Donna@OnlineWebArt.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Donna Kuhn Organization: OnlineWebArt.com Subject: Re: Donna Kuhn Poetry Book Published MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > FootHills Publishing, Wheeler Hill, New York, is pleased to announce the release of Springfed > Chapbook Series #24, "when your eyes snow" by Donna Kuhn. > > Donna Kuhn has published over 100 poems in print and online journals and anthologies including poethia, > aught, big bridge, generator press, unlikely stories, sidereality, xstream, muse apprentice guild, > juxta, 5-trope, moria, poetry new york, onyx and sendecki. Her e-chapbook, no bird on yr arm, was > published by Tamaphyr Mountain Press and a second one, red plastic mystic fish ladle is forthcoming from > Xpressed Fall 2003. when yr eyes snow is her first print chapbook. Three mini-chapbooks were published > by poems-for-all. Visual poetry has been shown on generator press, juxta and xstream. She is a visual artist > and dancer as well and she lives in Aptos, CA. > > From the Book: > > seahorse > > i was fire in his cold craft seahorse > then rain in his quilt > > tv closes the moons locked bird > is bird safe? his voice, a chair > > a mountain. is the moon her bird snapper? > drink it inside seagulls, know her poetry > > i think yr a quilt, close t.v. and close fire > close a door, i'm sorry > > it was just a moon, seahorse; drink it > i was comforted by anything like i dont want u > > the moons safe voice inside a soda can > buried u in a seahorse brain > > who is her, yr baby toes, yr safety pins > who is her, u believe in it > > make-up moon, cringe trout brain > i'm sorry and then and then break yr words > > cruelty in the theater world > her backwards moon brain > > Hand-stitched chapbook. > Six Dollars. > > To order with our secure on-line account, CCNOW, please go to: > > http://foothillspublishing.com/id47.htm > > To order through the mail send $6.00 per book, plus $1.25 shipping and handling per address sent to ($1.75 > s/h for Canadian orders.) (New York residents please add 48 cents sales tax per book ordered.) > > Before April 1, 2004 > > FootHills Publishing > PO Box 181 > Seal Harbor, ME 04675 > > After April 1, 2004 > > FootHills Publishing > P.O. Box 68 > Kanona, NY 14856 > > Thank you for your interest! > *************************** > FootHills Publishing: > www.foothillspublishing.com > > My Web Page: > www.foothillspublishing.com/poetguy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:39:47 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: jrothenberg Subject: year's greetings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SENECA MEMORY At Harry Watt's old place above the Allegany River Leo Cooper tells me:=20 "I could have been the first "American Indian "rabbi were it not for my love "of pork=20 written circa 1972, Salamanca, NY (Seneca Nation of Indians), previously = unpublished warm greetings to all for the years to come Jerome & Diane Rothenberg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:57:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: happy birthday milord b. (with apologies to thomas hood) In-Reply-To: <012101c3b887$1d1cd370$220110ac@GLASSCASTLE> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > SIR GEORGE BOWRING > > > To Bowring, man of many tongues, > (All over tongues like rumour) > This little birthday poem belongs > To limn his learned humour; > All kinds of trash he talks, I wis, > Although he isn't single; > As cunning as a parrot is > But far more Polly-lingual. Thank you, Rachel, for this atrocious poem. I am touched deeply. And I will try to deserve your faith in me for the next year. gb -- George Bowering Dirty car, dirty mind. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:00:48 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukah, In-Reply-To: <20031222172526.EZLF1948.imf21aec.mail.bellsouth.net@DBY2CM31> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never bought this Happy Holidays poppycock-- If you celebrate Christmas, Merry Christmas, Chanukah, Happy Chanukah and also Happy Kwanza, Happy Eid . But I for one am not celebrating generic Wal Mart holidays. I hate Santa Claus, I hate the commercialism. I think the real spirit of the season is a belief in miracles, weather those miracles are found by extra oil in temple, God born as a child, or the the fact that Abraham stopped Sacrificing his son by god's hand (Eid) that is what it is about and you dont have to believe in God G-d or Allah to believe in miracles. Miracles are in full view everyday in fine poems, the birth of children, great art, and more. Happy Holidays was invented by retailers to make as much money as possible which is the opposite of miracles. So look for the miracles eat too much, get drunk, sleep all day, revel, revel, revel. Enjoy it all for all these miracles are ours because we are human. RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Vernon Frazer > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:25 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Merry ? > > > I wish you a correspondingly appropriate holiday, as well. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of mIEKAL aND > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 10:55 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Merry ? > > Everyone, Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best > wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low > stress, non-addictive, gender neutral celebration of the winter > solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the > religious persuasion or secular practices of your choice, with respect > for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or > their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. > > Plus a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically > uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted > calendar year, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice > of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make > America great, (not to imply that America is necessarily greater than > any other country or is the only "AMERICA" in the western hemisphere), > and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, > religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of > the wisher. > > (Disclaimer: By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. > This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely > transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no > promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for > her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is > revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted > to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for > a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday > greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement > of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the > wisher who assumes no responsibility for any unintended emotional > stress these greetings may bring to those not caught up in the holiday > spirit.) > > Happy Holidays!!! > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:44:10 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: year's greetings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/23/03 5:40:44 PM, jrothenberg@COX.NET writes: << warm greetings to all for the years to come Jerome & Diane Rothenberg >> Thanks so much. And right back atcha! Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:29:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: one to many, many to one, expansion, collapse, boom, shhh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII one to many, many to one, expansion, collapse, boom, shhh arom arookghijkyn thayra' aoming in tha tuaas, savaraghijk to aaah tunnaghijk, thayghijkghijk' aurn auriousghijky, thayghijkghijk' aa in trunks oa invisiaghijka aars, thayghijkghijk' aa tha aargo in tha goghijkaaag, tha pataarriar- ghijkittaraox-, thayghijkghijk' aa simughijktanaous, wara' waiting aor tha aomprassion wava, air ana staaghijk hava nowhara to go, tha watars rush in, paopghijka saraaning, tharas' no asaapa, tharas' tha aghijkank sghijkata - wara' hara in arookghijkyn, wara' waiting aor tha ana, tharas' not anough aooa, tharas' not anough anything, tha airs' thiak with it, as i saia wara' aut oaa, tha tunnaghijks ara aghijkoakaa with mangghijkaa aars, truaks, ausas, aoaias, tha ariagas aant' aaar tha waight, its' aayona aghijkart, its' taking ovar aghijkghijk thought ana prasanaa, its' thair giat to us, its' our giat to oursaghijkvas - wa aan onghijky imagina youra' thara, wara' starving out hara, this is going nowhara, tha aghijkaatrias' aoghijka, tha prasiaants' an avighijk thing, i thought: ighijkghijk' navar ghijkook into tha aaaa oa avighijk again, i was wrong - ha turnaa tha worghijka into a aghijkaak sghijkata, aghijkash into smashaa aghijkash, mamory into smashaa aaaris, ha tauntaa tham, thay aama aor him, thay arought tha rast oa us aghijkong, wa aoughijkant' aight it, thay got to aghijkghijk oa us - tha ghijkights' gona out aghijkghijk ovar, thayva' saan tha whitas oa our ayas, wara' going to aia out hara, youva' no iaaa, wara' on an isghijkana past an isghijkana, wara' aut oaa, tharas' no aooa or watar, airas avarywhara, aathar kighijkghijks son, son kighijkghijks aathar, tha tunnaghijks ara arownaa, arookghijkyn is aurning, woman aran't saaa on tha straats, tharas' no shaghijktar, wara' going to kighijkghijk oursaghijkvas, tharas' no haghijkp aor it, wara' aurnaa out, tha ariagas ara naxt, wava' ghijkost aaghijkghijkughijkar, statia on tha raaio, iva' got aattarias, ighijkghijk' ghijkistan to soma aoraign station on tha shortwava, thayra' out thara - thay aoughijkant' aa aaught, you aant' stop avarything in tha tuaas, its' ghijkika arom ona aamighijky to anothar, arom ona warahousa to anothar, avan an amaughijkanaa, tha poghijkiaa wighijkghijk maka way, thayghijkghijk' ghijkat tham through, thayghijkghijk' maka it happan, its' going to happan, its' aoming now, its' not a araam, tharas' no aooa, tharas' no watar, i aant' maka sansa oa things, wa aoughijkant' aight it, tha worghijkas' axpghijkoaaa, tha suaways ara naxt, ia i writa tha autura it won't happan ia i writa tha autura it wighijkghijk happan in any aasa i writa tha autura sed 's/[bcdef]/a/g' ding > zz; sed 's/l/ghijk/g' zz > ding _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:02:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: holy days MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII holy days jennifer says: god took us away from ourselves, god brought up back! in the middle of the night: a flash! these words, printed on the starry heavens! what could they mean? thousands flock to cathedrals and synagogues! there are hosannas on earth and in heaven! through god the world has been restored! humanity is bathed in holy joy! prayers rise to the vaulted ceilings! miraculous sounds and lights! angels flock bringing peace to one and all! praise to worlds and deities! praise to the lowest and highest! hosanna! hosanna! on these holiest of days: hosanna! hosanna! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:06:20 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: ill gold Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Smearing lightning bug guts across a milk glass firmament of headlights buzzing (slice) passion by Peter Gabriel, Mike. I'll golden like a mauve love bruise, saturated with Renee: these trailing touches. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:07:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: overlook Comments: cc: 7-11 7-11 <7-11@mail.ljudmila.org>, "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, cyberculture , underground poetry , Renee , rhizome , John Schmidt , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A sky like stainless steel bleeding winter or pins on a ribbon jumper dipped in pills with my worry crowded on nights murdered on rum mustards pinch of wizard dirt across sex your sun tattoo smooth without my breathing harder drunk tart scar liquids shitting in my mouth and never spitting you out across my bed by the window overlooking. ===== associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:49:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Critiques of Trauma Theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Last week sometime the topic of theories of trauma was raised. Sorry to be a bit tardy w this, but I think some of the most incisive writing on trauma theory's deployment in recent literary/cultural criticism appears in the Fall 2000 (#46) issue of Cultural Critique, titled "Trauma and Its Cultural Aftereffects," guest-edited by one of Maria Damon's former students, Karyn Ball. Karyn gives a useful introduction to the history of its emergence in recent criticism, adding in the end only as much Heidegger as is healthy, and John Mowitt's wonderfully written article "Trauma Envy" really does some nasty neo-Marxist damage to the attempts of hot-airballoonshot-spitbaboonshot-babespitoons like Slavoj Zizek to reappropriate "the Wound." Also of interest is a special issue of West Coast Line (spring 2003, double-numbered as #40 and 37/1) "Violence and its Alternatives," eds. Trish Graham, Coleen Gold, & Jerry Zaslove, that includes several interesting essays on trauma and poesis. Under the editorship of Glen Lowry (a former student of Roy Miki in Vancouver, he of the amazing poetry book Surrender), WCL has really reached new levels of quality and intellectual focus. Cathy Caruth, one of the pioneers of recent literary critical use of theories of trauma, was also mentioned in an earlier post on this list. In an interview of the eminent psychoanalyst Jean Laplanche that Caruth conducted in 1994, JL gives an innovative description of trauma as the belated pre-linguistic translation of undecipherable force. (I don't have time to unpack that, but if you're interested, go to the book Topologies of Trauma: Essays on the Limit of Knowledge and Memory, eds. Linda Belau and Petar Ramadanovic [NY: Other Press, 2002].) From what I've read, Caruth seems to be an admirably humble scholar who has not hesitated to declare her own work's inadequacies. But, in my present thinking, her early book Unclaimed Experience still remains more helpful than most of the thousands of pages that have been published since on trauma and culture/literature (excepting of course such work as what I've cited above). One reason being the insightfulness of her close readings (see her interpretation of the film Hiroshima, Mon Amour) and another being that one of the paradigms that, following Freud, she focuses on from the beginning is one in which the aggressor is also traumatized by his own unknowing wounding of beloved others. This necessarily leads to important debates and remonstrations, but it takes courage to maintain consideration of this aspect in the face of polarized "wound culture." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:58:16 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Critiques of Trauma Theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the info, Walter. I suspected it was a complex issue. It's unfortunate this hits the list over winter break. Happy holidays all. tom bell '^-_'^-_'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^'""-------^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Visiting poet at The VA TENESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ALVIN C. YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com http://www.metaphormetonym.com/ Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:15:59 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Walter K. Lew" Subject: Query: Hikmet's Communism Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I have been querying the usual suspects about how/where to find Anglophone scholars/scholarship on the great Turkish poet Nazim Hikmet, esp. in regard to the relation of his work to his communist nationalism. But have not been coming up w much. Wd be deeply appreciated if someone cd point me to something or someone besides Randy & Mutlu Konuk Blasing's translations and Goksu & Timms' biography Romantic Communist (not implying, of c, that these aren't valuable work). Dankon. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:03:12 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Contemplation seeth Comments: To: regurgitation , killfilter , ink tank , imitation poetics , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Contemplation seeth #0001 think other life nay think other life nay philology Die his lungs stared into his lungs stared into Ye're aware reason unhappy thoughts task Memoir Frd Dolcino and Memoir Frd Dolcino and not bulldog but can party the party the faded twilight Contemplation seeth Contemplation seeth words are wide nereus nothing that will nothing that will necessary under the act living grace take good living grace take good butter dear boys who critical object confine critical object confine namely that the servant being only one chair being only one chair looked over his again Dutch velge Ger processing again Dutch velge Ger processing uncle paid every man said Dear sir Does mind said Dear sir Does mind Day Celebration out you doing out you doing reaching forth those abstain whose age abstain whose age Steinschneider Cat attempt may seem close attempt may seem close partly you appeared the you appeared the saying Blessed peace process learning art process learning art pointed Eleanor moment pressing against mine pressing against mine the forged Morey letter seemed Clement very seemed Clement very demanded possible Half Manasseh Chorazin Half Manasseh Chorazin air laid enjoying but little into but little into element creating books music sketches books music sketches planets and comets are throat over her throat over her culture truly life began but Flint began but Flint declared nominated time time concessions does fare his native city hadn't his native city hadn't something ought Gluttony Man shall know Gluttony Man shall know and these being exhibited these being exhibited Stuart violation laws was cut off death was cut off death the motion except theater sliding down theater sliding down which almost brutally his almost brutally his abide peace will turn association which must association which must working love contains refer ma give good refer ma give good the State Office may represented same represented same representation was made course said gladly course said gladly give trev little comprehension regard comprehension regard sensors well supporting two words until when two words until when two ranks general together Now rash together Now rash you ever ask human philosophically human philosophically ending must put down operation integral operation integral think beautiful walking right FATEHPUR walking right FATEHPUR damn thing off me Oh alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 00:06:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Goodness Shine #0001 Comments: To: regurgitation , killfilter , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Goodness Shine #0001 better come better come Thou King kings didst slowed trickled slowed trickled commentary think heath the anne pumped faster the anne pumped faster stepped back Can see devotion Can see devotion Parish matters Haldon Hills to the Haldon Hills to the reopen canal resettle which here which here represented the Red probable Prudence probable Prudence stirrings sin same peculiarities often peculiarities often lieutenant general the moans grew louder moans grew louder aroused node flesh Workman included Workman included escape insufferable repute however his repute however his above and below white coming fight his coming fight his employer has been less Nibelungen when found Nibelungen when found witness encounter Blood same man pagan roots same man pagan roots centuries nerveless hands fall nerveless hands fall employed smiled down Soul brought Soul brought settled matter hushed moors now best part moors now best part Palazzo Conservatori biographies merely biographies merely payback dragged forward stirrings all other injuria that he may injuria that he may attempting etymology same said withal used same said withal used negligence which caused entered the rats are entered the rats are sometimes wonder Falkiand Islands Falkiand Islands folk who sneer use scholastic view sin scholastic view sin electricity and can demonstrate beyond can demonstrate beyond waiting smiled idea graminaire mandchoue be graminaire mandchoue be Brent better open eyes away Italian eyes away Italian Muratori from the discreetly postponing discreetly postponing Goodness shine protect United States protect United States their houses over his employment and whether employment and whether Hotel man forty five shall special will shall special will somewhere shouldn't these old parish these old parish rail Pop stands the five supper eight Ah five supper eight Ah the artist Loreto pressing survived pressing survived sending the Centennial that Rennes later that Rennes later operations hard began and native and native formed imagination again confiscated again confiscated support growers alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:42:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <221052E2-33D3-11D8-B0F7-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- mIEKAL aND wrote: > Bob > > Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just > because I quit college 8 > times, & am still a freshman, & my view of > capitalizing proper names is > inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 > days before my > birthday. > > mIEKAL Now, now, mIEKAL, you know that the reason no one wanting to stay in the good graces of the MLA should associate with you is not your academic standing but the fact that you are a Menace to Proper Literature! In spite of when your birthday is and its standing (which is less, by the way, than Groundhog Day, which is my birthday). --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:52:37 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: mla poetry In-Reply-To: <155.2a0ce583.2d174bef@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > << Bob > > Are you suggesting I'm not MLA material? Just > because I quit college 8 > times, & am still a freshman, & my view of > capitalizing proper names is > inside out is no reason to slight my achievements 4 > days before my > birthday. > > mIEKAL >> > > I'm not Bob, but Happy Birthday anyway. Best, Bill > > WilliamJamesAustin.com Hmmm, at first I read the above as "I'm not, Bob," Not-Bob. That some reader might take you to be saying about myself what mIEKAL said about himself really worried me because I only dropped out of college 7 times, and my birthday is CERTAINLY not 25 December. So I thought I had better clarify everything right away. My whole career could go down the tubes due to a misreading of what you said. --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:20:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Involuntary Vision! Comments: To: CORE-L@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.ED MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Friends: I realize suddenly that MANY of you did not receive my announcement regarding Involuntary Vision. If you have received this twice, I apologize. Perhaps it will make you twice as eager to purchase the book??! Involuntary Vision: after Akira Kurosawa’s Dreams is finally available from Avenue B books. It is the first representative collection of “The New Brutalism,” and it’s sure to knock your socks off! Included here are new poems by Eli Drabman, Geoffrey Dyer, James Meetze, Tanya Brolaski, Cynthia Sailers, Trevor Calvert, Stephen Ratcliffe, Elizabeth Willis, Julia Bloch, Ryan Bartlett, and myself. Here’s a little tidbit: Elizabeth Willis: The tree has an eye for temporary stardust It’s Tuesday on Wednesday The woman left you to wooden shoes Forget what you see that never was your sweetest georgic Tanya Brolaski: II. Iconostasis (The Peach Orchard) We speak with apples in our mouths, like animated meats. Nothing is worse than the improbable evil twin, our pigness. With her peach shrine my breath, a spy in the brigade. The menacing peaches paused. And so? I’m swearing in the gilded lily, the pansiest of pansy that cried at the behest of blossoms. Baltic’s taken her new lover to a green, a green, a green. And tucked her nicely... Involuntary Vision is stunningly produced and is readily available via Small Press Distribution (www.spdbooks.org—search the title) or Amazon (www.amazon.com—again, search the title). Though Amazon is often a favorite for its convenience, I ask you to consider SPD first, as it is an extremely important service available to small presses, and it is not for profit (meaning it needs our support!). And really, when it comes down to it, SPD is just as convenient! You may also purchase Involuntary Vision by sending a check for seven dollars (big discount!) to my home address: 434 Ashland Ave / Buffalo, NY 14222. A copy will be placed promptly into the hands of our trusty national postal service, and delivered to your door in a number of days. Also, if you happen to be in the Bay Area on January 4th, many of the poets represented in the collection will be reading at Diesel Books in Oakland (on College Avenue in the Rockridge District) at 2:00pm. Join them for fun and libations. I hope you all are well! Michael ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:16:55 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: year's greetings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And season's greetings to you and all, Jerome, and admirations too on the excellent ethnopoetics material added recently to the ubu-web site. Merry Christmas Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrothenberg" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:39 PM Subject: year's greetings SENECA MEMORY At Harry Watt's old place above the Allegany River Leo Cooper tells me: "I could have been the first "American Indian "rabbi were it not for my love "of pork written circa 1972, Salamanca, NY (Seneca Nation of Indians), previously unpublished warm greetings to all for the years to come Jerome & Diane Rothenberg ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:51:50 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: from mark nowak Comments: To: engl3960sec3@lists.umn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ***PLEASE POST/FORWARD TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES*** PUBLICITY RELEASE 23 DECEMBER 2003 UNION OF RADICAL WORKERS AND WRITERS CONVENES FIRST BOOKSTORE WORKERS ORGANIZING FORUM SATURDAY, JANUARY 17, 2004: 10:00AM-4:00PM COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA LOCAL 7200 UNION HALL 3521 EAST LAKE STREET, MINNEAPOLIS The Union of Radical Workers and Writers [U.R.W.W.] is convening what is believed to be the first conference dedicated to organizing bookstore workers on Saturday, January 17, 2004. Scheduled to coincide with the World Social Forum gathering in Mumbai, India , the conference ("Resist Retail Nihilism: A Bookstore Workers Organizing Forum") will gather bookstore workers from the currently striking Borders #1 store in Ann Arbor, Michigan, unionized workers from the Borders' Calhoun Square store in Minneapolis, Minnesota, as well as independent, corporate, and used bookstore workers from Chicago, Milwaukee, and across the continent. Local and regional bookstore workers, retail workers, and the general public are invited to attend any or all of this day-long event. Agenda items include roundtable discussions on the history of bookstore organizing, how to organize your bookstore or retail workplace, how to build community coalitions, and much more. For more information, please visit the Union of Radical Workers and Writers website at , or contact URWW via email at manowak@stkate.edu. For background information on the Ann Arbor Borders' strike, please visit .p -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:18:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Re: Critiques of Trauma Theory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to Walter Lew for the heads up on the recent issue of *Cultural Critique* and the *Topologies of Trauma* anthology. As with techno music, when trauma theory is good, it's very good, but when it's bad--. I don't know of any online sources, to return to an earlier discussion. BW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:43:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: war (for) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as (was) for (to) me (you) and (any) my (their) house (hearse) black (white) plastic (static) I (who) window (wonder) a (be) fine (fat) carpet (corpse) I (you) float (philosophize) in (over) soft (self) grey (carry) drifts (drafts) fine (rhymes) dust (just) stirring (staring) I (sighs) breeze (wheezes) and (or) me (you) in (on) mime (mourning) I (to) song (service) alone (altogether) alive (alone) apart (horror) burning (turning) the (she) screams (dreams) seeming (steaming) beneath (above) illegible (apparently) and (not) collected (hidden) in (under) stark (naked) wish (wash) failing (flailing) that (then) in (at) this (his) pall (felled) mentioned (motion) as (no) more (less) for (forgetting) letting (clotting) profligate (profiteering) measures (monsters) in (and) white (black) sheet (shit) surprise (certainty) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:40:15 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: In Savvy Move Kleptocracy Names The American Soldier Person of The Year: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press The Media's Bubble Bathos: In Savvy Move Kleptocracy Names The American Soldier Person of The Year: With The Delicacy Of Stalinist Agitprop, Time Declares Class Warfare On U.S. Troops, Average Americans: Troops Call Time Move 'Patronizing': Time's Politically Correct Ruse Foments Class Warfare---The U.S. Against The World: Paris Hilton/Nicole Ritchie Simple Life, HBO's Born Rich, Time Cover ---Does The Kleptocracy Really Think Americans Are Catching On? by Yaso Adiodi They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:44:45 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tom bell Subject: Re: Critiques of Trauma Theory MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you are right, Barrett, I was taking a clinical perspective but it does seem to me that if 'trauma theory' is to intrude on people' and authors' lives as happened here recently although probaly not intentionally it should be based on psychological research. For example there is good research which has built up over the last ten or fifteen years that suggests that writing that does resolve trauma doesn't have to be 'good' writing and the search for quality interferes at times with resolution. It's also 'clinically' true that talking about trauma theory is a way of not dealing with trauma although I haven't seen any research on this. In any event best wishes all for a happy and healthy holiday. tom bell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barrett Watten" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: Re: Critiques of Trauma Theory > Thanks to Walter Lew for the heads up on the recent issue of *Cultural > Critique* and the *Topologies of Trauma* anthology. As with techno music, > when trauma theory is good, it's very good, but when it's bad--. I don't > know of any online sources, to return to an earlier discussion. > > BW ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:11:14 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Query: Hikmet's Communism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your reference to Hikmet's "communist nationalism" is interesting. Nazim=20 Hikmet was a supporter of Kemal Ata=FCrk, the founder of the modern Turkish=20 Republic. The Turkish left supported the War of Independence against the all= ies. But=20 Atat=FCrk banned the Communist party after the Republic was established in 1= 923.=20 Nazim Hikmet was put in jail I think around 1930. Nazim Hikmet's work, particularly Human Landscapes from My Country, reflects= =20 that basic ambiguity between (or sythesis of) his feelings for the Turkish=20 landscape and an internationalist humanism. The introduction to my anthology Eda: an Anthology of Contemporary Turkish=20 Poetry, which is definitely coming out by Talisman at the end of February,=20 discusses Hikmet's relation to Turkish poetry. My translations are full of H= ikmet's=20 peculiar synthesis. A passage from Human Lanscapes from My country ends with= =20 a specific reference to Atat=FCrk. His prison poems fuse a yearning for the=20= city=20 of Istanbul and his wife with a universalist ideology. This occurs through=20 sweeping cadences, which I call eda and are the essential aspect of Turkish=20 poetry. Murat In a message dated 12/24/03 2:15:56 AM, Lew@HUMNET.UCLA.EDU writes: > I have been querying the usual suspects about how/where to find > Anglophone scholars/scholarship on the great Turkish poet Nazim > Hikmet, esp. in regard to the relation of his work to his communist > nationalism. But have not been coming up w much. Wd be deeply > appreciated if someone cd point me to something or someone besides > Randy & Mutlu Konuk Blasing's translations and Goksu & Timms' > biography Romantic Communist (not implying, of c, that these aren't > valuable work). Dankon. >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:25:45 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Sneezeons Greetings Comments: To: Britpo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ancient solstice aftermath of lack and rebirth, the sun with and not with us, arching its arc on the lowering lour of sky, under which depends, depends, depends that an estimated 2,500 will die this week in Britain because they are old and cannot pay for heat that the girls in the checkouts are dressed as Santa that in addition to those on the streets there are 385,000 estimated to be in hostels and b&b's and otherwise not in possession of homes that bonhomie rises from the bar-tables like an untowelled loaf that the lights on the supermarkets burn brighter than any star Ancient solstice afterday beneath which as if supplicant words rise as in two thousand and uh, as in hark the heralds, as in three hundred and credit card sir that will do nicely the wishes the kisses the hugs and have a good one's wrap round best to in the cold under Ancient solstice sky-tree (December 24th, 16.45, under the Northern Skies) David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:39:03 -0500 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Re: A fortunate month In-Reply-To: <006401c3c933$7d4206a0$8bf4a8c0@netserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We here in North Carolina have also been cold/flu afflicted for some time. I spent the last three weeks of November sick sick sick. I thought I was better about a week and a half into it, and then 36 hours it came roaring back, with an debilitating cough that wouldn't let me sleep or rest. So many others have been stricken. Quite a few healthy people have died as a result of that cold/flu. So if you get it, or if anyone you know gets it, make sure they have some strong cough medicine and get plenty of water. And stay in bed! I believe that much of the wealthy in Britain like in America cherish the misfortunes of those with lesser fortune(s): wealth can only distinguish itself if it makes the bearer of said riches seem better than those without the riches. So "make sure that the wealth deprives others!" is the tacit catchphrase of the rich of America and their cousins (in many cases, literally cousins) to the right of the pond. If that wealth does not deprive others of money, then it doesn't really feel like wealth at all, right? Wealth that does not deprive others obscures the addictive illusion of privilege and higher rank, of being better than others. (Backchannel defenses of the filthy rich are welcome but only if you let me post them to the list.) Charitable work and philanthropy merely provide opportunities for the wealthy to experience their fortunes by observing the lack of fortune experienced by those less fortunate. Oh and the demonstrated dependencies entailed by philanthropy and charity bring along with them additional sadistic pleasure. "...generosity is the coin flip/of calamity." I must defer to Bunuel & Carrierre for this insight. "By surprise" my a$$! Yrs (& do stay warm!) Patrick -----Original Message----- From: david.bircumshaw [mailto:david.bircumshaw@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 4:02 AM To: patrick@proximate.org; POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: A fortunate month Patricj Herron wrote: >Dave Bircumshaw runs a great journal called _A Chide's Alphabet_ which recently released its third issue. He has given a number of my poems the light of day in his new issue. http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk/ How nice of David to include some of my poems alongside the work of such fantastic writers as Philip Nikolayev, Sheila Murphy, Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, and Pierre Joris.< Your fine poems were fit for their company, Patrick. All the Best from a flu-and-cold-afflicted Britain (where it seems that a higher proportion of the population die from hypothermia and related illnesses than do in Finland or Russia, typically pensioners who can't afford their winter fuel bills, it is expected that somewhat over 2,000 will die in the cold spell that hangs over this festive week, however we are only the +fourth+ richest economy in the world so obviously the cost would be too high and the government has sent out leaflets and they do get Cold Weather Payments - after the bills they can't pay. A govt spokesman has said that 'strenuous efforts are made to persuade elderly people to keep warm but winter always takes Britain by surprise) Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Herron" To: Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:27 PM Subject: A fortunate month Hi all - People have been so nice to my work and Lester's work as of late. It's frankly astonishing to me, a thrill. I want to thank these individuals for making my holidays softer, warmer. Here's the rundown: Andrei Codrescu's journal _Exquisite Corpse_ has published one offensive poem (picking a fight), one morbid poem (death in 3/4 time), and one political poem of mine (ahh, the horrors of fighting for an improved self) in their latest issue: http://corpse.org. WARNING: Not for those who have negatively experience discomfort. Heh. Ron Silliman recently reviewed Lester's book, _Be Somebody_. Get this: a review while in manuscript(!) form. It's almost unheard of. Yeah, the book remains unpublished; Lester has been known to shudder at the cruelty of this world. No longer. How kind of Ron to not only read it, but to review it, review it glowingly, review it intelligently, and place the review on his highly-regarded blog. As a conceptual work Lester's book has puzzled even the best of readers, but not Ron, not in the slightest. Lester and I are both stunned, shocked, overwhelmed, & excited at its reception. www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069676 89727936416 www.ronsilliman.blogspot.com/2003_11_01_ronsilliman_archive.html#1069851 89792633838 (If you can't use the above long web addresses, you can also get to the articles via links at the top of: http://proximate.org/works/htm). Chris Murray runs a wonderful blog called _TexFiles_ (http://texfiles.blogspot.com/) where she regularly runs a "Poet of the Week" feature. She made me poet of the week this week. Each day this week she will post a poem of mine along with an mp3 for each piece. Thanks Chris! Dave Bircumshaw runs a great journal called _A Chide's Alphabet_ which recently released its third issue. He has given a number of my poems the light of day in his new issue. http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk/ How nice of David to include some of my poems alongside the work of such fantastic writers as Philip Nikolayev, Sheila Murphy, Mark Weiss, Harriet Zinnes, and Pierre Joris. On the home front, I wrote a poem for the Town of Carrboro (my home in North Carolina) which at a later yet-to-be-determined date will be placed on a public mural in the downtown area. The poem is entitled, "I am not a wall." Thanks to the hard work of the Carrboro Arts Committee, Jackie Helvey-Hayes and Catherine DeVine, for putting the mural in motion and for asking me to write a poem for it. I feel honored and privileged. Jackie and Catherine have worked hard to improve the quality of community arts initiatives, and have taken a bit of heat for that hard work. They deserve every bit off appreciation due to them. Finally (phew!), I will be giving a reading along with Joe Donahue at Sizl Gallery in Carrboro (http://sizlgallery.com/) on January 22nd at 8pm. Poet Ken Rumble has moved his Desert City Reading Series from Winston-Salem North Carolina to Carrboro. The reading should last about an hour and wine will likely be served. The date is not yet fixed in stone. Thanks Ken. So thanks Andrei, Ron, Chris, Dave, Jackie, Catherine, and Ken. Thanks for making my efforts feel appreciated. Oh I need to add a big hearty thanks to shirlette ammons, Doug Stuber, Chuck Fager, and Evie Shockley for reading at the Poets Against the Shrub reading this past October. I learned a lot about how not to run a reading, but despite my organizational shortcomings, they were marvelous. A special thanks to Temple Ball and Rick Ramirez for making it happen. Patrick http://proximate.org/works.htm ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:57:35 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Query: Hikmet's Communism In-Reply-To: <8c.254169.2d1b3ed2@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (how) does the armenian genocide play into hikmet's or other leftists' support of ataturk? At 2:11 PM -0500 12/24/03, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >Your reference to Hikmet's "communist nationalism" is interesting. Nazim >Hikmet was a supporter of Kemal Ata=FCrk, the founder of the modern Turkish >Republic. The Turkish left supported the War of Independence against >the allies. But >Atat=FCrk banned the Communist party after the Republic was established in = 1923. >Nazim Hikmet was put in jail I think around 1930. > >Nazim Hikmet's work, particularly Human Landscapes from My Country, reflect= s >that basic ambiguity between (or sythesis of) his feelings for the Turkish >landscape and an internationalist humanism. > >The introduction to my anthology Eda: an Anthology of Contemporary Turkish >Poetry, which is definitely coming out by Talisman at the end of February, >discusses Hikmet's relation to Turkish poetry. My translations are >full of Hikmet's >peculiar synthesis. A passage from Human Lanscapes from My country ends wit= h >a specific reference to Atat=FCrk. His prison poems fuse a yearning for the= city >of Istanbul and his wife with a universalist ideology. This occurs through >sweeping cadences, which I call eda and are the essential aspect of Turkish >poetry. > >Murat > > >In a message dated 12/24/03 2:15:56 AM, Lew@HUMNET.UCLA.EDU writes: > > >> I have been querying the usual suspects about how/where to find >> Anglophone scholars/scholarship on the great Turkish poet Nazim >> Hikmet, esp. in regard to the relation of his work to his communist >> nationalism. But have not been coming up w much. Wd be deeply >> appreciated if someone cd point me to something or someone besides >> Randy & Mutlu Konuk Blasing's translations and Goksu & Timms' > > biography Romantic Communist (not implying, of c, that these aren't > > valuable work). Dankon. > > -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:20:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: .........+.........some favorite books read in 2003.........+......... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit not saying that these were written in 2003 (although some were): ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SAVOIR-FEAR, by Charles Borkhuis THE SLEEP THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING, by Lee Ann Brown SKY JOURNAL, by hassen sKincerity, by Laura Elrick 31 MGS., by Susan Landers (beautifully illustrated by Gary Sullivan) TWO POEMS, by Daniel Bouchard INDETERMINATE NONLOCALITY, by Ric Carfagna POLLEN MEMORY, by Laynie Browne CUSP, by Jocelyn Saidenberg AUGUST LETTER TO MY WIFE AND DAUGHTERS, by Joseph Torra ------------------------------------------------------- anyone else care to share their list? CAConrad -- for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. 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Lew" Subject: RE Hikmet and the genocide Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Maria: This is an excellent question. I'm sure I shd defer to Murat on it, but let me just mention that Kurdish and Armenian activists regularly quote Hikmet and consider him a hero for speaking out against not only the Armenian genocide, but also brutal treatment of the Kurds, as well as resistance to imperialism all around the world (as in Korea). Even now (I believe) the Turkish government cannot resolve to restore his citizenship posthumously (one issue being whether or not Hikmet wd have accepted it). Hikmet's communism placed him in opposition to fascist attempts to eradicate all traces of culture and ethnicity that were not assimilated to official Turkish culture. As a consequence, he spent nearly a third of his life in prison and lived his last years in exile in the USSR. The situation is complicated by the fact that the Turkish government knows that Hikmet is a world-class poet, but only wants to honor him if all mention of his criticisms of the Turkish nation-state are excised. Thus, to give an example, during the recent centenary celebrations of his birth, those who sang or recited his poems for CDs, concerts, etc. regularly cut out of his poems those verses that allude to the violence perpetrated upon the Armenian and Kurdish peoples. I found a schizophrenic nationalist website that, in one section, protests against feature films, such as Atom Egoyan's _Ararat_ (which I have not seen), that deal w the Armenian genocide while in another it celebrates Hikmet's poetry w/o of course mentioning why he is so revered by those who seek to commemorate what the Turkish state denies. I have only a superficial knowledge of the history and biographical questions involved here, have many questions myself in regard to the chronology of Hikmet's political stances, and, like I sd, defer to Murat or anyone else more familiar w the topic. Unfortunately the book that I shd be looking at for more detailed research is locked away in the university library, closed until January due to state budget cuts. ARNOULD, pleez komm and blast the doors open! Merry Christmas. /Walter Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:57:35 -0600 From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: Query: Hikmet's Communism (how) does the armenian genocide play into hikmet's or other leftists' support of ataturk? At 2:11 PM -0500 12/24/03, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >Your reference to Hikmet's "communist nationalism" is interesting. Nazim >Hikmet was a supporter of Kemal Ata=FCrk, the founder of the modern Turkish >Republic. The Turkish left supported the War of Independence against >the allies. But >Atat=FCrk banned the Communist party after the Republic was established in = 1923. >Nazim Hikmet was put in jail I think around 1930. > >Nazim Hikmet's work, particularly Human Landscapes from My Country, reflect= s >that basic ambiguity between (or sythesis of) his feelings for the Turkish >landscape and an internationalist humanism. > >The introduction to my anthology Eda: an Anthology of Contemporary Turkish >Poetry, which is definitely coming out by Talisman at the end of February, >discusses Hikmet's relation to Turkish poetry. My translations are >full of Hikmet's >peculiar synthesis. A passage from Human Lanscapes from My country ends wit= h >a specific reference to Atat=FCrk. His prison poems fuse a yearning for the= city >of Istanbul and his wife with a universalist ideology. This occurs through >sweeping cadences, which I call eda and are the essential aspect of Turkish >poetry. > >Murat > > >In a message dated 12/24/03 2:15:56 AM, Lew@HUMNET.UCLA.EDU writes: > > >> I have been querying the usual suspects about how/where to find >> Anglophone scholars/scholarship on the great Turkish poet Nazim >> Hikmet, esp. in regard to the relation of his work to his communist >> nationalism. But have not been coming up w much. Wd be deeply >> appreciated if someone cd point me to something or someone besides >> Randy & Mutlu Konuk Blasing's translations and Goksu & Timms' > > biography Romantic Communist (not implying, of c, that these aren't > > valuable work). Dankon. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:50:59 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ben Basan Subject: Interview with SDPG's Bill Marsh on Luminations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This week I will be interviewing Bill Marsh of SDPG on the blog. The first exchange has been posted and there is more to follow. http://www.luminations.blogspot.com Merry Christmas! Ben ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:26:50 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: On this day Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The beauty of this multicultural system, to me, resides in its total=20 lack of allegience to any one emic reality, and in its conditioning the=20= users to think in comparative realities. Thus, to most Americans,=20 December 25 means Christ-mass and even the atheists feel dragged into=20 the Reality Grid of the Romish cult. But on my multiple calendar=20 system, the same date appears in many guises--as 25 Zeus, 72 p.s.U. or=20= as 25 December Anno XC or as 25 Sable 122 E.P. or as 5 Nivose, 203, or=20= as 22 Rajab, 1373 A.H. or as 67 International Relations, 3178 y.C., or=20= as the 22nd day of the 11th month, 4692, or as 11 Dog, 5106, , or as 23=20= Teves 5755 A.M., or as 67 Realpolitik, 5994 A.L. You have a wide choice=20= of what to celebrate. Why not celebrate all of them? But don't go=20 driving afterwards. =97 Robert Anton Wilson Who's this bum crept in from the streets blinking in the neon an anarchist among the floorwalkers =97 Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Director of Alienation "As we lose part of our time because it steals away silent and=20 invisible, and many an hour is passed before we recollect that it is=20 passing; so unnatural desires insinuate themselves unobserved into the=20= mind, and we do not perceive that they are gaining upon us, till the=20 pain which they give us awakens us to notice. No man is sufficiently=20 vigilant to take account of every minute of his life, or to watch every=20= motion of his heart. Much of our time likewise is sacrificed to custom;=20= we trifle, because we see others trifle; in the same manner, we catch=20 from example the contagion of desire; we see all about us busied in=20 pursuit of imaginary good, and begin to bustle in the same chase, lest=20= greater activity should triumph over us." Samuel Johnson, (December 25, 1753) 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947.=20= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:17:18 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: books in 2003 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit here are some of the books / readings in 2003 that seemed to leave a lasting connections. *Poetics of Relation - Edouard Glissant *last One Out - Deborah Richards *Kim Rosenfield reading at SPD -SF *Platfrom - Rodrigo Toscano *Fashionable Noise: on digital Poetics - Brain kim Stefans *What Of - Skip Fox *On being ill - Vrigina Wolf *Counting Zero - Dave Kress *Monkey Time - Phillp Nikolayev *Critrtia- Soanne Ngai *Mad in Pursuit - Violette leduc *A handmade Museum - Brenda Coultas *Crop (and reading at SPD) - Yedda Morrison *A train came by and Slow ed - Summer Rodman kari edwards terra1@sonic.net _________________ -GENDER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS- _________________ _________________ Announcing from O Books: iduna, $12.00 by kari edwards, 2003 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ ________________________________ a day in the life of p. by kari edwards, $12.00 From: Subpress Collective /ISBN # 1-930068-18-2 @ Small Press Distribution http://www.spdbooks.org/ @ amazon.com _________________________________ a diary of lies, by kari edwards, Belladonna* Books, 2002 http://www.durationpress.com/belladonna/catalog.htm ________________________________ Also check out: live recording: http://www.factoryschool.org/content/sounds/poetry/frontenac.html interview: http://www.raintaxi.com/online/2003spring/ edwards.shtml http://www.gendertalk.com/real/350/gt385.shtml on narrative: http://www.sfsu.edu/~poetry/narrativity/issue_three/edwards.html prose / fiction http://www.emunix.emich.edu/~bhouse/edwards.html http://www.chimerareview.com/volumes/2003_4/fic_edwards_1.0.htm http://www.muse-apprentice-guild.com/august2002/kariedwards/ literary_magazine.html http://homepages.which.net/~panic.brixtonpoetry/semicolon1.htm http://www.shampoopoetry.com/ShampooThirteen/ShampooIssueThirteen.html http://www.webdelsol.com/InPosse/edwards10.htm http://www.puppyflowers.com/II/flowers.html http://www.somalit.com/A_day_in.html poetry: http://www.wordforword.info/vol4/Edwards.htm http://www.atomicpetals.com/ke03.htm http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/edward10.htm http://www.blazevox.org/edwards.htm http://www.poeticinhalation.com/v3i3.html#Kari%20Edwards http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com/poetic%20language.html http://www.moriapoetry.com/edwards.html http://www.bigbridge.org/miamikedwards.htm http://www.xpressed.org/ http://www.litvert.com/kedwards8.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:48:40 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: On this day In-Reply-To: <864D27CE-36FF-11D8-A074-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" the johnson quote is remarkably buddhist, an apt description of samsara. At 9:26 AM -0800 12/25/03, mIEKAL aND wrote: >The beauty of this multicultural system, to me, resides in its total >lack of allegience to any one emic reality, and in its conditioning >the users to think in comparative realities. Thus, to most >Americans, December 25 means Christ-mass and even the atheists feel >dragged into the Reality Grid of the Romish cult. But on my multiple >calendar system, the same date appears in many guises--as 25 Zeus, >72 p.s.U. or as 25 December Anno XC or as 25 Sable 122 E.P. or as 5 >Nivose, 203, or as 22 Rajab, 1373 A.H. or as 67 International >Relations, 3178 y.C., or as the 22nd day of the 11th month, 4692, or >as 11 Dog, 5106, , or as 23 Teves 5755 A.M., or as 67 Realpolitik, >5994 A.L. You have a wide choice of what to celebrate. Why not >celebrate all of them? But don't go driving afterwards. > >- Robert Anton Wilson > > >Who's this bum >crept in from the streets >blinking in the neon >an anarchist among the floorwalkers > >- Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Director of Alienation > > > >"As we lose part of our time because it steals away silent and >invisible, and many an hour is passed before we recollect that it is >passing; so unnatural desires insinuate themselves unobserved into >the mind, and we do not perceive that they are gaining upon us, till >the pain which they give us awakens us to notice. No man is >sufficiently vigilant to take account of every minute of his life, >or to watch every motion of his heart. Much of our time likewise is >sacrificed to custom; we trifle, because we see others trifle; in >the same manner, we catch from example the contagion of desire; we >see all about us busied in pursuit of imaginary good, and begin to >bustle in the same chase, lest greater activity should triumph over >us." >Samuel Johnson, (December 25, 1753) > > > > > > > > > >24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND > >http://www.joglars.org >http://www.spidertangle.net >http://www.xexoxial.org >http://www.neologisms.us >http://www.dreamtimevillage.org > >"The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:20:35 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: "They 're So Corrupt, It's Thrilling." ASS PRESS Xmas Bonanza! Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press "They 're So Corrupt, It's Thrilling." Lenny Bruce's Killers Pardon Him An Assassinated Press Editorial Lieberman Serves Meals to Homeless He Helped Create: Tyranny Never Sleeps, Claims Clueless Joe: Designer Caffeine Sales Soar To New Records: Threat Level Raised to Burnt Orange Hazelnut: Bush Says Be Happy But Be Scared by Lauren Frayedikaat The Assassinated Press Anti-Empire Report #5, December 2003 by William Blum Special to The Assassinated Press Truth About White House Uranium Claim "Not The Point": Intelligence Warnings Disregarded "Cause We Needed Cover To Go Steal Iraqi Oil," President's Advisory Board Says by Waldough Punkass The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:07:36 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: harvest-talk in february coming MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII harvest-talk in february coming role of the dreamer in the middle of net-formed environments - students praxis in cyborg theory but not following what people are doing in the field program - people interested in the misty cottage but don't know what people are doing with it mfa people practicing dreamers also people from the thinking science apartment lecture question of alternative worlds to gathering / communication or experience other than the misty world - holography - quantum stuff - penrose - question of embodiments in my-form, use of term 'defuge' - where the symbolic breaks down - a moment where the misty falls - how does defuge appear in mist-form questions in mist-form - self, deference, other deference - how do we pin down the deferential in mist-form - lot of this falls under - i made a programmatic claim that mist-form should be seen as the aporia of the interstices of harvest and experience bring up immersive and definable how are the texts dreamed in daily practice? question of other worlds for gathering and harvest - _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:45:31 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derek beaulieu Subject: John Newlove MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this just ine from rob mclennan of ottawa: > one of the best poets in Canada, Ottawa resident, John Newlove died on the > morning of December 23rd in Ottawa. an obit should appear in the Globe over > the next day or two. > rob > > bio, from www.library.utoronto.ca/canpoetry/newlove/index.htm > > Born in Regina in 1938, Newlove was raised in various small Saskatchewan > towns, mainly Kamsack. He attended the University of Saskatoon for one > year before embarking on an extensive tour around Canada. Prior to this he > had worked briefly as a high school teacher in Birtle, Manitoba, as a > social worker in Yorkton, Saskatchewan, in radio in Weyburn and Regina, > and in various labouring jobs in British Columbia and Saskatchewan. > Between 1970 and 1974 he occupied the position of editor at McClelland and > Stewart in Toronto and writer-in-residence at various universities > including Loyola College Montreal and the University of Toronto. Newlove > also taught for a year at David Thompson University Centre, B.C. in 1982. > After 1986 he worked for the federal government in Ottawa. He won the > Governor General's award for poetry in 1972, the Saskatchewan Writers' > Guild Founders Award in 1984, and the Literary Press Group Award in 1986. > His poetry has been published in journals, magazines and literary > anthologies in Canada and the United States and in several countries > abroad. Newlove's poetry was most popular in the 1960's and 1970's when he > and Eli Mandel were considered to be among the dominant voices of Canadian > prairie poetry. Newlove enjoys reading more than writing. He is a member > of The Asia Institute, The Champlain Society, The Hakluyt Society. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 00:50:18 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: ACTION: stop a modern day lynching Comments: To: ProgMuslim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ACTION: stop a modern day lynching ============================= Please share this information with the people on your list serve. This is an innocent man's life at hand. PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH ANYONE WITH A HALF A MIND AND CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND THE INJUSTICES GOING ON HERE! My name is Maurice Thompson and I would like to bring to your attention the injustices that are being perpetrated through the judicial system here in Middle Georgia. The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999 have been enduring an ongoing feud with the Sheriff of Putnam County, Sheriff Howard Richard Sills, Badge# 117, since 1997 mostly dealing with building and zoning violations on our 476 acre Native American Village, Wahanee, in Putnam County, Georgia, which got extensive media in national newspapers such as the Weekly World News, The New York Times, Time Magazine, The Hartford Inquirer, The New York Press, The New York Daily Challenge, Amsterdam News and the Source. This feud has lead up to the current incarceration of our Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York on child molestation charges in the State and Federal court systems and their only evidence admittedly is double and triple hear say. They have NO DNA, NO MEDICAL OR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that any of these alleged crimes ever occurred NO VIDEO TAPES AND NO PICTURES. Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù has been indicted 5 times to cover up previous mistakes over the past 2 years. Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù was recently indicted now on RICO charges stating that our entire tribe was established to molest children; this is a blatant misuse of the judicial system. The federal government has filed a civil case to forfeit our land and is also seeking to forfeit the property in the criminal case. THIS IS CLEARLY A MOTIVE FUELED BY VINDICTIVENESS. It has been almost 2 years since the arrest of our Chief on May 8, 2002. Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York, a 58 year old man with a life threatening illness, Hereditary Angioedema, has been tortured and held with out bond or a trial for almost 2 years, while the State and Federal court prosecutors search for evidence to prove their case that has obviously been fabricated due to the power and prestige, that America classifies as a ‚ÄúBlack Leader‚Äù. In fact who they have incarcerated is a Chief of a Native American Indigenous tribe that has continued to exist since before the formulation of the United States of America in 1776 A.D. The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999 respect the laws, rights, and freedoms of all governments and nations as perpetuated in the Human Rights Declaration of the United Nations. The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999 have existed in peace and will continue to exist in peace yet our cries are going unheard. We are calling upon you to assist us by exposing the blatant misuse of the judicial system due to vengeance and negative aspirations of racist local government officials. We have presented facts to show how the case against Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù is racially motivated, we have exposed the lies of the alleged victims granted immunity by the federal government and state government, yet these facts remain ignored and our chief having been denied bond, remains incarcerated for the simple fact of being defined a leader. On December 16, 2003 Judge C. Ashley Royal the presiding judge over the Federal Case has stated that he seek to close the court room to the public and only selected one representative of the media to be present. This is the very thing the constitution of the United States of America was formulated to prevent, yet Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù is not privileged to these rights of being presumed innocent, the right to due process, the right to freedom of speech, the right to freedom of religion with out persecution, the right to a public trial and the right to not be subjected to cruel an unusual punishment. We are asking you to look into this situation check this out and tell others about our tribe and our chief that continues to be subjected to torture just for who he is, Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York of The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999. Please answer this call today BEFORE JANUARY 5, 2004. WE NEED A RESPONSE NOW. Sincerely Maurice Thompson mauricethompson9@hotmail.com check out http://www.unnm.com >> -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 08:59:05 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: with a heavy dose of fear... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ------------- “With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects, I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them.” - U.S. battalion commander in Iraq, New York TImes, December 7, 2003 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CE3DF133DF934A35751C1A9659C8B63 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:22:58 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Wally Hedrick MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit December 26, 2003 Wally Hedrick, 75, a Beat-Generation Painter, Is Dead By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS BODEGA, Calif., Dec. 25 (AP) - Wally Hedrick, an iconoclastic artist and leading member of the Beat generation in San Francisco, died at his home in Sonoma County on Dec. 17. He was 75. The cause was congestive heart failure, his family said. Mr. Hedrick was a prolific painter whose works shared gallery space with painters like Jackson Pollock, Bruce Conner, Jay DeFeo and Deborah Remington. He founded the Six Gallery, a major gathering spot for Beat artists and writers in the 1950's. It was there that Allen Ginsberg gave the first reading of his poem "Howl." Despite his renown, Mr. Hedrick tended to shun the art world and rarely made appearances even at his own exhibitions. "He had a love-hate relationship with the art world, wanting to be part of it and not wanting to be part of it," said Catherine Conlin, his partner for the last 13 years. Drafted into the Army in 1951 against his will, Mr. Hedrick's works took on an antiwar stance after he was sent to the Korean War. To protest the Vietnam War, Mr. Hedrick canceled classes at the San Francisco Art Institute, where he taught. "For two semesters he put a big black sign saying `Classes canceled until the end of the war,' " said his son, Max La Riviere-Hedrick. Mr. Hedrick was married to Jay DeFeo, best known for her two-story-tall, 2,300-pound painting, "The Rose." Their marriage ended in divorce. In addition to his son, Mr. Hedrick is survived by his sister, Patty Hedrick. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:00:00 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Henry A. Lazer" Subject: McHale - which long poems? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Someone had asked about Brian McHale's new The Obligation toward the Difficult Whole: Postmodernist Long Poems -- which poems? Mainly, Merrill's The Changing Light at Sandover, Tolson's Harlem Gallery, Dorn's Gunslinger, Hill's Mercian Hymns, Schwerner's The Tablets, Ashbery's The Skaters, McGrath's Letter to an Imaginary Friend, Andrews' Confidence Trick, and Howe's The Europe of Trusts. Hank Lazer -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:18:57 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: FREE AMIRI BARAKA! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's right, a free performance by Amiri Baraka and Amina and Blue Ark to celebrate Amiri's two new books from Nehisi Press, SOMEBODY BLEW UP AMERICA and THE ESSENCE OF REPARATIONS. Saturday Dec 27 7:30 Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston -- F or V to Broadway-Lafayette, 6 to Bleecker) 2126140505 Virtually Visit Bowery Poetry Club @ www.bowerypoetry.com Literally: 308 Bowery NY, NY 10012 (Bleecker-Houston) 212-614-0505 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:38:24 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Laura Elrick Subject: Alan Davies and Tom Orange in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit SEGUE READING SERIES AT THE BOWERY POETRY CLUB We are very disappointed to announce that Jeff Derksen, who had been scheduled to read, will not be able to make it on Jan 3. However, the fantastic Alan Davies will be reading with Tom Orange. Please come out and join us! January 3: Alan Davies and Tom Orange Alan Davies is author of many works including the poetry books Rave (Roof, 1994), Candor (O Books, 1990), Name (This, 1986) and Active 24 Hours (Roof). Recent chapbooks include Sei Shonagon (Hole, 1995), and an untitled collaboration with the photographer M. M. Winterford (Zasterle, 1994). Signage, a collection of writings on and about poetry and poets was published in 1986 by Roof. Originally from Canada, Davies has lived in Boston and is currently living in New York. Tom Orange co-curates the "in your ear" reading series at the District of Columbia Arts Center. He maintains and edits the dcpoetry.com Website and anthologies, and he teaches periodically in the English Department at Georgetown University. 308 BOWERY, JUST NORTH OF HOUSTON http://www.bowerypoetry.com/ SATURDAYS FROM 4 - 6 PM $5 admission goes to support the readers Funding is made possible by the continuing support of the Segue Foundation and the Literature Program of the New York State Council on the Arts. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:31:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: Performance by AMIRI BARAKA! Comments: To: THCO2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's right, a free performance by Amiri Baraka and Amina and Blue Ark to celebrate Amiri's two new books from Nehisi Press, SOMEBODY BLEW UP AMERICA and THE ESSENCE OF REPARATIONS. Saturday Dec 27 7:30 Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston -- F or V to Broadway-Lafayette, 6 to Bleecker) 2126140505 Virtually Visit Bowery Poetry Club @ http://www.bowerypoetry.com Literally: 308 Bowery NY, NY 10012 (Bleecker-Houston) 212-614-0505 -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:54:12 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: from mark nowak In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this is so important-- but-- as Wal Mart is getting into the book business it might be good to try to unionize Wal Mart. RB > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Maria Damon > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 8:52 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: from mark nowak > > > ***PLEASE POST/FORWARD TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES*** > > PUBLICITY RELEASE > 23 DECEMBER 2003 > > UNION OF RADICAL WORKERS AND WRITERS > CONVENES FIRST BOOKSTORE WORKERS ORGANIZING FORUM > SATURDAY, JANUARY 17, 2004: 10:00AM-4:00PM > COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA LOCAL 7200 UNION HALL > 3521 EAST LAKE STREET, MINNEAPOLIS > > > The Union of Radical Workers and Writers [U.R.W.W.] is convening what is > believed to be the first conference dedicated to organizing bookstore > workers on Saturday, January 17, 2004. Scheduled to coincide with the > World Social Forum gathering in Mumbai, India , > the conference ("Resist Retail Nihilism: A Bookstore Workers Organizing > Forum") will gather bookstore workers from the currently striking Borders > #1 store in Ann Arbor, Michigan, unionized workers from the Borders' > Calhoun Square store in Minneapolis, Minnesota, as well as independent, > corporate, and used bookstore workers from Chicago, Milwaukee, and across > the continent. > > Local and regional bookstore workers, retail workers, and the general > public are invited to attend any or all of this day-long event. Agenda > items include roundtable discussions on the history of bookstore > organizing, how to organize your bookstore or retail workplace, how to > build community coalitions, and much more. > > For more information, please visit the Union of Radical Workers > and Writers > website at , or contact URWW via email at > manowak@stkate.edu. For background information on the Ann Arbor Borders' > strike, please visit .p > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:08:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: Re: from mark nowak Comments: cc: bobgrumman@nut-n-but.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My instant two thoughts when hearing about the attempt to unionize bookstore workers are: (1) what would more likely finally completely ruin independent bookstore proprietors than a bookstore workers union? (2) the unionization of theatre workers is at least as responsible as the greed of theatre owners for the dismal state of American Drama To avoid not being CONSTRUCTIVE, here's an idea I just had for helping out the really exploited workers, writers with functioning minds: make it a law that anyone buying a book put out by a commercial publisher must at the same time buy one small-press title, or two micro-press titles, at the same price. Two obvious problems: (1) pseudo small and micro presses would outdo genuine small and micro presses because they could print throw-away books cheaply and would have no writers or editors to pay, and their wares would be as likely to be taken as serious small or micro press books; and (2) hardly anyone would read a small or micro press book he'd been forced to buy. Solution to the first problem: the publisher of any small or micro press book taken with a commercial book would be paid only his cost of publication (to be determined from some set of guidelines involving number pages, type of cover, grade of paper, etc.). The extra money would go to the bookstore owner to help make up what he'd lose by being forced to, in effect, double the cost of his best sellers. I think the second problem would be minimal because having to take a second book would force best-seller buyers to find small or micro press books they thought they might like. They'd have to experiment! In any case, the small and micro press books would be circulated. Perhaps, since people would have to buy them, they'd be discussed in the media, too. Some would jump into commerciality--at least my assumption is that a fair number of small and micro press books fail to gain a readership only because of their obscurity, not because they lack appeal. And small and micro press publishers would not lose any more money than they lose already. Okay, I'm through. --Bob G. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:01:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Denver U's Ph.D. Program in Creative Writing Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I’m looking for the downlow on Denver’s creative phd program… any current or former students here? Please b/c. Thanks. noaheligordon@hotmail.com http://humanverb.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:48:56 +0100 Reply-To: magee@uni.lodz.pl Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: For the translation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What happens to a poem when it is translated into a language that has passed through vastly different historical experiences, if it's the problem of access to the history in which the poem in its first language is immersed that the translation encounters, and which one tends to read past, even when the languages mirror each other on facing pages? "If we are truly interested in historicizing the literature we teach [and the literature we read and write?], then we must develop subtler means of assessing the historical and political functions of literature in its own and for our times. We need more varied standards of political and thus aesthetic judgment if we are to respect the complexity of literature's 'action' in a historical moment, especially when such a moment is defined by crisis and conflict." (79). This particular authority (John Carlos Rowe, Literary Culture and U.S. Imperialism, Oxford: Oxford Univ. Press, 2000), gives particular attention to Du Bois' 1934 eulogy to Stalin, "With his confidence in the emancipatory project of Enlightenment rationality ... Du Bois made some of the same mistakes as many twentieth-century Marxists, who clung to the modernist ideals of social revolution long after they had become irrelevant to the economic, political and cultural hierarchies dictated by First World postindustrialism." (215). The apparent need to defend Du Bois for inclusion in a 'post-nationalist' curriculum in American Studies brings to mind Zukofsky's Vertov-like use of Popular Front materials in "A"-8, although the rhetorical means applied by the scholar are hardly subtle, i.e., "One of the few intellectuals of his generation to understand that modern imperialism had to be combated at a cultural level, because such imperialism relied as much on cultural as on economic and military forces." (215). If, for example, "A"-8 remains untranslated into Russian or Polish or any other languages that have passed through vastly different historical experiences than English (the thought about this more concrete than not, having been shown Piotr Sommer's translations of Reznikoff into Polish from 20 years ago, in addition to a two-volume collection of essays in Polish on 20th Century American literature that hasn't entered the bookstores yet, here, and which includes chapters on Black Mountain, the Objectivists and the San Francisco Renaissance), does the work in its native English gather an immunity or at least the appearance of innocence which tends not to be conferred to the world poetries translated into English? Whose world is being translated? Would a Russian version of "A"-8 sound like an affirmation of State Terrorism? So what was once conceived by its author as writing in opposition might be heard in a near reversal of intentions closely aligned to the contemporary imperial moment and enter a future that could hardly have been imagined for it, though the question is only speculative, occasioned by the thought that the translation, among all the other work that it does, allows "for a certain residual indeterminacy, a sort of liminal region of narrative in which the contact between different cultures and their relative powers are foregrounded." Visiting Lecturer American Literature and Culture University of Lodz al. Kosciuszki 65 90-514 Lodz Poland ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 21:47:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Top word for 2003 is Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (I bet the poetics list could come up with a far better choice. mIEKAL) Web site picks year's top word Friday, December 26, 2003 Posted: 10:07 AM EST (1507 GMT) LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- A U.S. Web site specializing in language named what it called the top word, phrase and name of the year on Thursday, picking them all from the war in Iraq. "Embedded," as in the reporters assigned to accompany military units during the war, beat out "blog" and "SARS" as the top word of 2003, Web site yourDictionary.com said. "Embedded was the best word to distill the events of an extraordinary year into eight simple letters," Paul JJ Payack, president of YourDictionary.com, said. Previous top words include 2000's "chad" (from the hanging squares of paper on Florida presidential ballots), 2001's "Ground Zero" (the site where the World Trade Center collapsed) and 2002's "misunderestimate" (a presidential slip of the tongue that became frequent comedy fodder). "Shock-and-awe," the phrase the U.S. military used to describe the type of campaign it would wage in Iraq, topped other Iraq-related terms like "rush to war," "weapons of mass destruction" and "spider-hole" as the top phrase of 2003. The name most on people's lips during the year was Saddam Hussein, the former Iraqi leader recently captured in a hole in the ground. He beat out "Ahh-nold" (as in newly-elected California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger) and "W." (as in U.S. President George W. Bush). The site's lists, created by taking nominations from users around the world and then having them judged by "professional wordsmiths," take some liberties with Bush. One of 2003's leading words is "Bushisms," to describe the president's oft-satirized verbal style. The site published a list of the president's top-five mispronunciations, including "new-cue-ler" (for nuclear) and "Anzar" (for Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar). As for 2004, Payack said there was already an early contender. 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If you care to send me 500 to 1000 words on how you write for health (or mental health or illness if you must I'm looking to feature one person's work every month. tom bell '^-_'^-_'^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^'""-------^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Visiting poet at The VA TENNESSEE VALLEY HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ALVIN C. YORK CAMPUS Some not right for Hallmark poetry available through geezer.com http://www.geezer.com/vendor.html?vendorID=2203&psid=dceaec145a83fbd666061e3 9c05fdadd Section editor for PsyBC www.psychbc.com http://www.metaphormetonym.com/ Write for the Health of It course at http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/seminar http://www.suite101.com/course.cfm/17413/overview/37900 not yet a crazy old man hard but not yet hardening of the art ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:00:01 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: tinsel fatigue? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have a case of it, hie away to http://www.poems.com/ where, as Susan Schultz said of this poem on another list (quoted with permission), "Rachel Loden channels(!) Richard Nixon's voice. What a strange perverse and wonderful thing it is. . . ." If you're reading this message after Saturday, December 27, click on "Previously on Poetry Daily" or "Archives" to see the poem, which first appeared (with four running mates) in the current _Denver Quarterly_. Also in the print issue: John Kinsella, Joanna Klink, Joyelle McSweeney, Fred Muratori, D.E. Steward, Richard Kostelanetz, Leonard Schwartz et al. An end to "listless festooning," ---------------------------------------------------------- Rachel Loden http://www.thepomegranate.com/loden/hotel.html rloden@concentric.net ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:08:18 -0500 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Final Call: Postmark by 12/31 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pavement Saw Chapbook Contest <<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is allowed to submit regardless of previous publication history. All entrants receive two free chapbooks The chapbooks are published in an edition of 400 copies. 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Hunger/Machine or, Life After DARPA http://www.milkmag.org/HungerMachine.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:38:39 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Entrayls Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, WRYTING-L Disciplines , ubuweb@yahoogroups.com, Crag Hill , archive@msn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit XEROLAGE 31 by Michael Basinski At our request Mr Basinski has delivered from the scriptorium a confabulatory poetry comic best read from all directions, text within text splattered & exhumed by the venerable hand of this master of graphism. from the introduction: "I have tried to mayke thys poetry a poetry ov exxxperimentation rathor thann a poetry ofv darivation ... A kytchen hen comic in black and white witch what answers kestions about poetry. No cimilary with the false poetry of taday's art world or fake literary institutions is intended" http://www.xexoxial.org/xerolage/x31.html 24 pages, 8.5 x 11, $6 includes postage Began in 1983 Xerolage is one of the longest running visual poetry zines on the planet, featuring vispo, concrete & xerography by an international cartel of artists including Clemente Padin, Bob Grumman, Marilyn Rosenberg, Cesar Figueiredo, Scott Helmes & many others. XEXOXIAL EDITIONS 10375 Cty Hway A LaFarge WI 54639 www.xexoxial.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:39:33 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Tell Nader to stop NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralph Nader wants to return George Bush to the White House by splitting opposition to the most dangerous political regime of our time. You can tell him to stop now: http://www.naderexplore04.org/survey/survey_start.php ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:40:02 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Parallel Universes Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I keep confusing Brett Favre & bpNichol in my mind. Does anyone else=20 have a similar brain fart? Must be the holidays. yeni=A0yilin kutlu olsun...nice mutlu yillara mIEKAL= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:08:19 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Parallel Universes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 12/27/03 2:42:00 PM, dtv@MWT.NET writes: > yeni=A0yilin kutlu olsun...nice mutlu yillara >=20 > mIEKAL >=20 Sizede kardesim. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:18:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Parallel Universes In-Reply-To: <3A186C30-38B5-11D8-A39F-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I keep confusing Brett Favre & bpNichol in my mind. Does anyone >else have a similar brain fart? Must be the holidays. At least bp knew how to pronounce his name. -- George Bowering Who? 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:43:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Top word for 2003 is In-Reply-To: <19819F98-3830-11D8-A39F-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Why not, "Debedded" as irrefutably the best way "to distill the events of an extraordinary year into 8 simple letters." As far I can see, anyway, the "embedded" USA reporters with the military operatives of Rumsfeld-Wolfolitz-Cheney-Bush & etc. have done little to "distill" "facts on the ground" - in fact, mostly to the contrary. It is those reports - particularly from other Iraq based blogs, internal and foreign media that have provided the debedded and "off angle" news that I have found most refreshing. "Embedded" - quite differently - is synonymous with the quiescent consent to authoritarian control in exchange for the illusion of security - something that has apparently not about to arrive yet in Baghdad. "Debedding into the New Year" - O well, barely after last night's meal (a boxing day splurge of everybody's mostly left over deserts). I guess those are called the "Sweets of Saturnalia." Stephen V on 12/26/03 9:47 PM, mIEKAL aND at dtv@MWT.NET wrote: > (I bet the poetics list could come up with a far better choice. mIEKAL) > > > Web site picks year's top word > > Friday, December 26, 2003 Posted: 10:07 AM EST (1507 GMT) > > LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- A U.S. Web site specializing in > language named what it called the top word, phrase and name of the year > on Thursday, picking them all from the war in Iraq. > > "Embedded," as in the reporters assigned to accompany military units > during the war, beat out "blog" and "SARS" as the top word of 2003, Web > site yourDictionary.com said. > > "Embedded was the best word to distill the events of an extraordinary > year into eight simple letters," Paul JJ Payack, president of > YourDictionary.com, said. > > Previous top words include 2000's "chad" (from the hanging squares of > paper on Florida presidential ballots), 2001's "Ground Zero" (the site > where the World Trade Center collapsed) and 2002's "misunderestimate" > (a presidential slip of the tongue that became frequent comedy fodder). > > "Shock-and-awe," the phrase the U.S. military used to describe the type > of campaign it would wage in Iraq, topped other Iraq-related terms like > "rush to war," "weapons of mass destruction" and "spider-hole" as the > top phrase of 2003. > > The name most on people's lips during the year was Saddam Hussein, the > former Iraqi leader recently captured in a hole in the ground. > > He beat out "Ahh-nold" (as in newly-elected California Gov. Arnold > Schwarzenegger) and "W." (as in U.S. President George W. Bush). > > The site's lists, created by taking nominations from users around the > world and then having them judged by "professional wordsmiths," take > some liberties with Bush. > > One of 2003's leading words is "Bushisms," to describe the president's > oft-satirized verbal style. The site published a list of the > president's top-five mispronunciations, including "new-cue-ler" (for > nuclear) and "Anzar" (for Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar). > > As for 2004, Payack said there was already an early contender. "'Mad > cow' was on the list a few years ago, because of what was happening in > the U.K. 'Mad cow' could be big next year." ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:27:49 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left that it will make such a difference when they get in. there really is a such a huge gap between the two major parties... On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 18:39, Ron wrote: > Ralph Nader wants to return George Bush to the White House by splitting > opposition to the most dangerous political regime of our time. You can > tell him to stop now: > > http://www.naderexplore04.org/survey/survey_start.php ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:54:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <1072560469.502.23.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Your sarcasm is incredible. Tell it to every ecosystem threatened with death because of Bush's attempted repeal of Clinton's executive orders. Tell it to every country suffering from or threatened by the doctrine of pre-emption and all the widows and orphans that that one's made. Tell it to our ertwhile allies as they tool up faster than planned to become serious competitors. Tell it to everyone whose rights are casually violated in the name of homeland security. Tell it to the recipients of public services who will have less to receive because of the tax cuts (and that includes school children of all ages and their would-be teachers who find themselves graduating from PhD or MFA programs with no jobs in sight). I think most of us would like to see more than the democrats are likely to do--I for one would like socialized medicine for a start. But only children play all or nothing. I'd suggest while you're growing up you read a few newspapers. Mark At 09:27 PM 12/27/2003 +0000, Josh Robinson wrote: >what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left >that it will make such a difference when they get in. there really is a >such a huge gap between the two major parties... > >On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 18:39, Ron wrote: > > Ralph Nader wants to return George Bush to the White House by splitting > > opposition to the most dangerous political regime of our time. You can > > tell him to stop now: > > > > http://www.naderexplore04.org/survey/survey_start.php ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:17:05 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031227134633.02eaf810@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit was clinton really that much better? i mean, what was income-tax like when he was there? and public healthcare? unemployment benefit? regulation of corporations? funding of public education? or foreign policy? desert fox, for example - clinton was in the whitehouse then, right? is there any reason to suggest that he wouldn't have invaded iraq even sooner than bush did? or the environment? remind me again, how much do people in the US pay for a litre of petrol? how much CO2 was produced by the US while clinton was in power? what happened these levels, even after clinton had subsribed to the Kyoto protocol? and what about the talks in teh Hague in 2000 - who was president then? more to the point, you're implicitly saying that it's fine to reject the one alternative that involves confronting these issues, and vote democrat instead. even to the point of encouraging nader not to stand. and i'm the one who needs to grow up? i -would- rather see a democrat in the whitehouse than bush. i would rather see a green than either. to be honest, i would rather there were no representative 'democracy' at all. On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 21:54, Mark Weiss wrote: > Your sarcasm is incredible. Tell it to every ecosystem threatened with > death because of Bush's attempted repeal of Clinton's executive orders. > Tell it to every country suffering from or threatened by the doctrine of > pre-emption and all the widows and orphans that that one's made. Tell it to > our ertwhile allies as they tool up faster than planned to become serious > competitors. Tell it to everyone whose rights are casually violated in the > name of homeland security. Tell it to the recipients of public services who > will have less to receive because of the tax cuts (and that includes school > children of all ages and their would-be teachers who find themselves > graduating from PhD or MFA programs with no jobs in sight). > > I think most of us would like to see more than the democrats are likely to > do--I for one would like socialized medicine for a start. But only children > play all or nothing. I'd suggest while you're growing up you read a few > newspapers. > > Mark > > At 09:27 PM 12/27/2003 +0000, Josh Robinson wrote: > >what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left > >that it will make such a difference when they get in. there really is a > >such a huge gap between the two major parties... > > > >On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 18:39, Ron wrote: > > > Ralph Nader wants to return George Bush to the White House by splitting > > > opposition to the most dangerous political regime of our time. You can > > > tell him to stop now: > > > > > > http://www.naderexplore04.org/survey/survey_start.php ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:42:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jason christie Subject: _-poli s_ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _-poli s_ ociety th E in o w d build/ ille appl(ess)iance how two books could sex a schpiel i.e. Language Re read irection in cite city suburb speech Bur Li Z Po US h tons ens or ems in the water cuffs can rooster con the peakmost rained wind spun westward to show a parting barn a US painting weather vane North trough farther North than raise it yourself despite lightning strikes forest fires blackons whiteouts wars on terr(it)or(ial)ism put up a traditional set of blinds keep fragments of sunlight there through the leaves a shadow pattern across the grey carpet ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:07:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <1072563425.502.39.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed You don't have the choice of a green in the white house. The green party has very sensibly been concentrating on local elections, even at the schoolboard level, in order to build the infrastructure of a party that can eventually compete nationally, and not just as a spoiler. The Greens have no chance nationally until they do so. Voting one's conscience is a luxury that one rarely has in our non-parliamentary democracy--just as in the legislature itself the ballot box involves compromise. To argue that those who didn't commit some known evils are just as bad because they probably would have if given the opportunity seems a bit of a stretch. Clinton had one of the best environmental records of any president. Not perfect, but we'll have a lot more of southern Utah to walk around in. His curtailing of mercury levels has been rescinded, the Tongass national forest is about to become toothpicks, and Bush actually reinterpreted the clean air act to allow massive pollution (that one's in court at the moment). What you see as a sliver of difference between the parties can be fairly massive. If (when, alas) Bush wins expect a Scalia-dominated Supreme Court. Then take a look at all the recent 5-4 splits that went against Bush. On the other hand, a vote for Nader would help enrich the abortion clinics on our borders. Call it foreign aid. Mark At 10:17 PM 12/27/2003 +0000, you wrote: >was clinton really that much better? i mean, what was income-tax like >when he was there? and public healthcare? unemployment benefit? >regulation of corporations? funding of public education? > >or foreign policy? desert fox, for example - clinton was in the >whitehouse then, right? is there any reason to suggest that he wouldn't >have invaded iraq even sooner than bush did? > >or the environment? remind me again, how much do people in the US pay >for a litre of petrol? how much CO2 was produced by the US while clinton >was in power? what happened these levels, even after clinton had >subsribed to the Kyoto protocol? and what about the talks in teh Hague >in 2000 - who was president then? > >more to the point, you're implicitly saying that it's fine to reject the >one alternative that involves confronting these issues, and vote >democrat instead. even to the point of encouraging nader not to stand. >and i'm the one who needs to grow up? > >i -would- rather see a democrat in the whitehouse than bush. i would >rather see a green than either. to be honest, i would rather there were >no representative 'democracy' at all. > >On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 21:54, Mark Weiss wrote: > > Your sarcasm is incredible. Tell it to every ecosystem threatened with > > death because of Bush's attempted repeal of Clinton's executive orders. > > Tell it to every country suffering from or threatened by the doctrine of > > pre-emption and all the widows and orphans that that one's made. Tell it to > > our ertwhile allies as they tool up faster than planned to become serious > > competitors. Tell it to everyone whose rights are casually violated in the > > name of homeland security. Tell it to the recipients of public services who > > will have less to receive because of the tax cuts (and that includes school > > children of all ages and their would-be teachers who find themselves > > graduating from PhD or MFA programs with no jobs in sight). > > > > I think most of us would like to see more than the democrats are likely to > > do--I for one would like socialized medicine for a start. But only children > > play all or nothing. I'd suggest while you're growing up you read a few > > newspapers. > > > > Mark > > > > At 09:27 PM 12/27/2003 +0000, Josh Robinson wrote: > > >what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left > > >that it will make such a difference when they get in. there really is a > > >such a huge gap between the two major parties... > > > > > >On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 18:39, Ron wrote: > > > > Ralph Nader wants to return George Bush to the White House by splitting > > > > opposition to the most dangerous political regime of our time. You can > > > > tell him to stop now: > > > > > > > > http://www.naderexplore04.org/survey/survey_start.php ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 18:37:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Sonnet 1/Shakes Comments: cc: Chris Sullivan Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit This afternoon, took in David Ireland's very fine retrospective at the Oakland Museum. Talk about stripping the world down to its literal concrete material - only letting the orchestration of facts permit the investiture of an outside presence, metaphor and/or thought. A kind of subtle radiance implicit in all. And a sweet way to impact the senses! I came right home and stripped Shakespeare's Sonnet #1 - one way of many, I suspect, to clean one's poetic house down to the cross beams and nails (initial letter of each word). A process similar in some sense parallel to Grenier's "I hate speech" to "I hate text." I actually love them both. To get back to what is central to both, the requirement of the carpenter's plane, shaving each to the original grain. Provocation here is central. F f c w d i , T t b r m n d , B a t r s b t d , H t h m b h m : B t c t t o b e , F t l f w s -s f , M a f w a l , T s t f , t t s s t c : T t a n t w f o , A o h t t g s , W t o b buriest thy content, A , t c , m w I n : P t w , o e t g b , T e t w d , b t g a t . **** S V ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:16:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: Enid Dame Deceased MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Enid Dame, poet extraordinaire and co-editor with Donald Lev of Home = Planet News, has died of pneumonia. There will be a service on Monday, = December 29th at noon, at Kehilla Chapel, 60 Brighton 11th Street = (between Brighton Beach Avenue and Cass Place), Brighton Beach, = Brooklyn, NY. The chapel can be reached via the Q train to the last stop = on the line. Burt Kimmelman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:26:44 -0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Weiss says: > You don't have the choice of a green in the white house. The green party > has very sensibly been concentrating on local elections, even at the > schoolboard level, in order to build the infrastructure of a party that can > eventually compete nationally, and not just as a spoiler. The Greens have > no chance nationally until they do so. ... actually, Mark, it's quite freaking odd how [public] politics play differently on the two sides of the Pond. Here, with a (technical) three-party system ***, the idea of "vote-Nader-and-let-Bush-in" flips -- here the (moral) quandry is to vote tactically -- Shall-I-vote-for-the-Lib-Dems-to-keep-the-Conservatives-Out? I really thought I was a Raving Lefty till I discovered that my ex-wife and my son wouldn't indulge in tactical voting to save their lives, whereas I would. Talk about sticking to the union ... ... Wobbly style union, in case anyone's confused. Hey, I'm a dumb Brit, so explain, how do Chomsky and Sokal, the general soft-left American activists, fit into this equation? :-( Robin > Voting one's conscience is a luxury that one rarely has in our > non-parliamentary democracy--just as in the legislature itself the ballot > box involves compromise. :-) R2 *** Glasgow excepted. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:21:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: in the course of things MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII in the course of things http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/flush1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/flush2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/flush3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko/flush4.jpg in the course of things "I am that because she is That" "I am That because she is that" "I am that because she is that" "I am That because she is That" "She is that because I am That" "She is That because I am that" "She is that because I am that" "She is That because I am That" --apres-tous Nijinsky in the course of things I am terrible and terror there is nothing real here there is no real horror in the course of things turn my eyes around to the ground the ground is the middle of the mouse the middle of the mouse is the ground _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:22:00 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: Cattleman Celluose/Ripoff Howl #0001 Comments: To: regurgitation , killfilter , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cattleman Celluose/Ripoff Howl #0001 abscond voluble addle role admitting blossom algae malta allegory lipid alumina waxy ambassador passive america officious annale mattock ashman rabbi attlee defendant barnard hellfire bibb gelatine blustery monticello bose despoil briefcase animate brucellosis exonerate bullseye pontific carboloy ravenous cattleman cellulose chinquapin military constraint apollo coup whimsey cuddle bewail darn alphabetic deerskin harm denunciate granite dietician arabia digger bait emery jazzy emitting someplace esoteric cyclotomic familial uganda gabble baccalaureate gluten cacophonous goblet jesus guenther ingrained handbook pinehurst harcourt philip holmdel raquel humpty goodbye hungarian bracelet infusion milestone inopportune maxwellian isabel nitric joanne german knot bibliophile knutson diet librarian alkaline light contrite lycopodium crown lycopodium surgery maldive shoddy manhood atavistic manifesto kiss menstrual aryl methanol proprietary moratorium nibelung mudd hail muzak loom newsstand forsworn nineteen billfold offspring woody orangeroot quadrilateral pageantry hadamard people chomp phyllis thousandth plenty correspond politicking transmute portmanteau monrovia prerequisite sassafras proposal avocate radix logan reclusive flax replicate mackerel ripoff hovel sanctity electrify scout mariposa serviette polyandry shiny phosphor skeeter january smithfield dick soften muscovite spacecraft caveman splint cure stacy frangipani strabismic metamorphism strawflower repeater swanson absentminded thermionic remonstrate thieves fulbright toolsmith treat topocentric junction uproot genie voiceband slob wallpaper mountaintop wharves oppressor yachtsmen densitometric yukon salute ziegler walk August Highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:27:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: USDA Trilogy/Reefer Prefab #0001 Comments: To: regurgitation , killfilter , ink tank , genre-splicing , full-throttle orginator , spammers and flamers , brain feeder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit USDA Trilogy/Reefer Prefab #0001 accentuate mummify adipic twombly amoco bourbaki armload approximate aroma telethon asceticism seeable bahama populate bathurst hamper billings gastronomic bovine thatch brasil cowlick brindisi gestation broth pepping cacophonous crossbow canvasback eisner carleton schiller carr bailey caterpillar sunbird chimeric holdover circus semblance cleric tempera commandeer bois confidant homage congregate ouzo controversial prudent coset compassion cram plasma criss indeterminable crustacean frankfurt cygnet geometry depredation parson devon bulblet dewdrop equivalent difficult veneto doyle syncopate earwig digress elmira kenton elysian spacesuit fail massey fume tabulate gemini precept ginsburg attrition gresham theking hiroshi convalescent hooves grump humidify taos incompressible vladivostok kampala bunk lucrative jovanovich luminosity crutch lyon apostate mantic thrill mellon sightseeing mollie rockefeller musk emancipate nodding tactual nutting bolster ostentation proceed panacea smithereens paternal abuilding physician thin pitney demythologize priory pickerel procaine cecil purposive gross racketeer kilohm rapier clever rebelling brigand redskin spokesman reefer prefab remedy affine rome atreus sage indiscreet satisfactory preempt schoolmate putnam shaggy muskoxen slap bellamy snort arbitrage solvate methane songful covert standard spicebush stardom percept stephen originate subject urinate success numerous sunfish gibbons tang philodendron theman stale thorax windswept trilogy timex ulcerate littleton upkeep raleigh usda incorrigible vent illegal versus fugazi vita discrepant wardrobe childbear wilbur anyhow xenophobia prejudicial zeta harangue August Highland alphanumeric labs --"language is a style statement" www.alphanumericlabs.com muse apprentice guild --"expanding the canon into the 21st century" www.muse-apprentice-guild.com culture animal --"following in the footsteps of tradition" www.cultureanimal.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 07:43:20 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Enid Dame Deceased In-Reply-To: <00d201c3ccf0$fe28a600$c8e2a4d8@c1x9z8> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Burt Thanks for sending this along. I had no other way of finding out. I only met Enid once and corresponded with her several times about her work appearing in an anthology I was editing. She seemed to project a basic kindness. It's very sad news. I feel very much for Donald, as well. Vernon -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Burt Kimmelman Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2003 10:17 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Enid Dame Deceased Enid Dame, poet extraordinaire and co-editor with Donald Lev of Home Planet News, has died of pneumonia. There will be a service on Monday, December 29th at noon, at Kehilla Chapel, 60 Brighton 11th Street (between Brighton Beach Avenue and Cass Place), Brighton Beach, Brooklyn, NY. The chapel can be reached via the Q train to the last stop on the line. Burt Kimmelman ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:47:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "James W. Cook" Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Robin, "three-party system *** *** Glasgow excepted." Could you explain this exception? Thanks. James >From: Robin Hamilton >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW >Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 03:26:44 -0000 > >Mark Weiss says: > > > You don't have the choice of a green in the white house. The green party > > has very sensibly been concentrating on local elections, even at the > > schoolboard level, in order to build the infrastructure of a party that >can > > eventually compete nationally, and not just as a spoiler. The Greens >have > > no chance nationally until they do so. > >... actually, Mark, it's quite freaking odd how [public] politics play >differently on the two sides of the Pond. > >Here, with a (technical) three-party system ***, the idea of >"vote-Nader-and-let-Bush-in" flips -- here the (moral) quandry is to vote >tactically -- Shall-I-vote-for-the-Lib-Dems-to-keep-the-Conservatives-Out? > >I really thought I was a Raving Lefty till I discovered that my ex-wife and >my son wouldn't indulge in tactical voting to save their lives, whereas I >would. > >Talk about sticking to the union ... > >... Wobbly style union, in case anyone's confused. > >Hey, I'm a dumb Brit, so explain, how do Chomsky and Sokal, the general >soft-left American activists, fit into this equation? > >:-( > >Robin > > > Voting one's conscience is a luxury that one rarely has in our > > non-parliamentary democracy--just as in the legislature itself the >ballot > > box involves compromise. > >:-) > >R2 > >*** Glasgow excepted. _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:32:32 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Bill Keith's new book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And now, here's Igor on Bill Keith -- "Happy holidays to everybody! I am glad to announce that "Stalking The Minotaur. Selected Works of Bill Keith" will be finally released the first week of January (Koja Press, 84 pages, full-color cover, $15)." Best, http://kojapress.com http://magazinnik.com Thanks, Igor, for spearheading this project. Bill Keith: too good and too neglected for too long. Those of you who spring for the book will be delighted. Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:58:04 +0100 Reply-To: magee@uni.lodz.pl Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: For the translation-2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the ontological status of the image the epistemological stake of representation the potentiality of historical discourse the discourse tends to slip away from the data and the desiring subject becomes a fearful one no discourse is ever able to say what it wishes to say the very saying of what is to be said depends on another saying left unsaid, the reciprocal interrogation of the inherited hierarchy the play of projection and identification with imaginary others "which theoretical-political avant garde do you want to enthrone in order to isolate it from all the discontinuous forms of knowledge that circulate around it?" 'the analysis of discursive practices must take into account the dynamics of the social space that its object occupies' 'a designation of difference that remains viable only in condition of its potentiality for the violation of its closure' Where is Santiago Alvarez' "79 Springtimes of Ho Chi Minh"? (1969) Where is Chris Marker's "Letter from Siberia"? (1958) rightwing/leftwing appropriations of the image the word the object the sign --to expect to be able to proceed with those meanings would be to expect to be able to refer to them, when it's the attention to the operation of those meanings, the exposure of how they are constructed --those meanings? whose meanings? 'our' meanings? --trying to read instead of manipulating the sentence into the discursive illusion that the reading knows what it has read --the illusion of knowing is the dodge of discourse (Olson, Human Universe, "the dodges of discourse") Even so, in a work of scholarship like Rowe's can be remarked an ideological positioning in advance, raising new icons and refurbishing former ones to mobilize an anti-imperialist 'post-nationalism,' an opposition that does not need any other tradition than Twain, Du Bois, Douglass, Melville, etc. The threat of the translation of this tradition that might be said to span a continuum across the U.S. civil war and World War II (if it can be said that there is an end to this continuum, modernity, the problem of assigning an end to which reading Benjamin reminds one), involves confronting a history and culture of Marxism that cannot be dispatched by such anti-imperialisms as Rowe's conflation of Du Bois' mistake about Stalin with 20th century Marxisms and their project of social revolution. How can these Marxisms refuse to go away after the collapse of the command economies and their regimes? "the impending Americanization of what has been called, imprecisely, our postcapitalist world" (Bercovitch, "The Rites of Assent") "this commercial and technological penetration of every corner of the globe, which at the same time works to render invisible the peoples so dominated" (Rowe, "Literary Culture and U.S. Imperialism") The note of pathos in the anti-imperialist tendency developing in American Studies since the shock of the first Gulf War should not deflect attention from the century-old problem of opposing wars of aggression and the arming of nations without the fall from innocence that the discourse of defense against this aggression represents, and whatever else it is and does, the modernist project of social revolution articulates 'the peoples so dominated' both within and without the imperialist nations in a war of defense that has been called class struggle and which no one wants to remember. That would be use towards some other ends separate from the materiality of the writing process immersed in conflict--something other than itself--when it can't be, however much it wants to be, self-referential--as though there were any verbal object that could contain the representation--the imposition of ideologies are always external to the writing and yet there is no writing which exists outside of these imposed meanings, and these are cultural meanings, and they begin to become part of the history of the writing as soon as it enters a time that is not the time of the writing itself--process conflicts with the very historicity which presupposes it--and the conflict over the representation and the imagined future for the representation which made it possible to write in the first place commences. Zukofsky alone among the poets of his generation had the courage to commit to historical memory the affirmation of the modernist project of social revolution as the only defense against imperialist war, and whatever the errors involved (embedded in the Popular Front itself), in his parallel montage (Eisenstein, "Strike," 1924) the act and event of reading "foreign" materials tracked by the notational rhythm of quotations produce an expanse of writing and reference that one might almost claim for its English the condition of being illusory, and would this claim be that extreme? If I am reading it I must be reading it in English, but the world I am reading is unfamiliar, proletarian and immigrant, multilingual, translated. "A"-8 commits the transgression of introducing through the high art of the Poetic modernity's international project of social revolution into the history of American literature. Does this long poem exist only at the other end of the continuum situating the U.S. civil war and World War II in a telos of closure, a poem that belongs to a history that's over, having been overcome by the pure passage of time and the promise of 'postindustrial' globalization? There are boundaries around language and history and culture that collapse there, and which recall the crime of the workers movements in all countries to claim to speak in a common language regardless of whatever language was being used (Mandelstam's account of the Peasants' conference and his interview with Ho Chi Minh). Does the 'foreigness' of "A"-8's scale of reference locate another tradition in 'our' literature, one that according to such ideologists of a post-Marxist America like John Carlos Rowe, may not even belong there? "There is political conflict. And forms clash as they are political meanings, are in political conflict both as meaning and for the meanings they 'contain.'" (Peter Gidal, "Materialist Film." London: Routledge, 1989). http://hypobololemaioi.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:13:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit why is it so difficult for people to consider the conversation that maybe the Democrats were responsible for NOT reaching the voters in 2000? why is it so difficult to understand that they have the same responsibility for the upcoming election in 2004? for instance, do we vote for Howard Dean? who CLAIMS in every speech he makes that he cares so much for the elderly, yet says we need to raise the retirement age to 68. or his bright idea that we should send hundreds of thousands of MORE troops to Iraq, instead of taking Kucinich's lead in stating "US out, UN in!" do we throw a vote to Dean SIMPLY because we fear Bush? and furthermore WHY are we wasting our time with such polls as to whether Nader is worthy or not of our vote? San Francisco's recent election for mayor is something to look at for the test of Democrats and Greens working TOGETHER for a change. granted, Green Party candidate Matt Gonzalez did not get elected, but it was so close, so inspiring, mainly due to the enormous number of Democrats walking the bridge to fill the gap for a candidate who was closer to their ideals than the Democratic candidate Gavin Newsom. instead of talking about what we DON'T want in the Greens, how about we start talking about what we DO want in a Democrat. and look at who that could be. the truth is i'm registering Democrat, after having been registered Green, because i want to vote in the primary for Kucinich. http://www.kucinich.us/index.php CAConrad -- for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ "I believe in compulsory cannibalism. If people were forced to eat what they killed there would be no more war." --Abbie Hoffman "This is a good world... And war shall fail." --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:12:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <1072560469.502.23.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left That's a US idea, right? I mean, for most of the western world, the Democrats appear right of center. -- George Bowering Could have been a diva. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:19:55 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Floodeditions@AOL.COM Subject: Flood Offer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A SPECIAL OFFER FOR THE NEW YEAR FROM FLOOD EDITIONS Buy all ten Flood Editions books for $100 (a savings of over $30 with free shipping) Our titles are as follows: Ronald Johnson, THE SHRUBBERIES Pam Rehm, GONE TO EARTH Philip Jenks, ON THE CAVE YOU LIVE IN Tom Pickard, HOLE IN THE WALL: NEW & SELECTED POEMS Fanny Howe, ECONOMICS (stories) Paul Hoover, WINTER (MIRROR) William Fuller, SADLY Robert Duncan, LETTERS: POEMS 1953-56 Graham Foust, AS IN EVERY DEAFNESS Lisa Jarnot, BLACK DOG SONGS All books are finely produced, sewn paperbacks. For more information, see: www.floodeditions.com To take advantage of this offer, please backchannel me. Thanks, Devin Flood Editions PO Box 3865 Chicago IL 60654-0865 www.floodeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:15:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <1072563425.502.39.camel@jmr59.quns.cam.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >was clinton really that much better? i mean, what was income-tax like >when he was there? Incredibly low, you are right. -- George Bowering Could have been a diva. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:22:04 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason In-Reply-To: <13B44D4D.4771F4EA.01F36A84@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:13 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, Craig Allen Conrad wrote: >why is it so difficult for people to consider the conversation that maybe >the Democrats were responsible for NOT reaching the voters in 2000? Maybe because, even after an incredibly inept campaign, and even with the loiss of a lot of votes to the Greens, Gore did win the popular vote, and would have taken Florida too if there had been less hanky-panky? A Green endorsement could go far to swaying the Democratic party leftwards. Mark >why is it so difficult to understand that they have the same responsibility >for the upcoming election in 2004? > >for instance, do we vote for Howard Dean? who CLAIMS in every speech >he makes that he cares so much for the elderly, yet says we need to raise >the retirement age to 68. or his bright idea that we should send hundreds >of thousands of MORE troops to Iraq, instead of taking Kucinich's lead in >stating "US out, UN in!" do we throw a vote to Dean SIMPLY because we >fear Bush? > >and furthermore WHY are we wasting our time with such polls as to >whether Nader is worthy or not of our vote? > >San Francisco's recent election for mayor is something to look at for the >test of Democrats and Greens working TOGETHER for a change. granted, >Green Party candidate Matt Gonzalez did not get elected, but it was so close, >so inspiring, mainly due to the enormous number of Democrats walking the >bridge to fill the gap for a candidate who was closer to their ideals than the >Democratic candidate Gavin Newsom. > >instead of talking about what we DON'T want in the Greens, how about we >start talking about what we DO want in a Democrat. and look at who >that could be. > >the truth is i'm registering Democrat, after having been registered Green, >because i want to vote in the primary for Kucinich. >http://www.kucinich.us/index.php > >CAConrad >-- >for THE PHILLY SOUND: New Poetry >click here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/ > >for the 9for9 project click here: http://poets9for9.blogspot.com/ > >for BANJO: Poets Talking click here: http://banjopoets.blogspot.com/ > >"I believe in compulsory cannibalism. >If people were forced to eat what they >killed there would be no more war." > --Abbie Hoffman > >"This is a good world... >And war shall fail." > --Kenneth Patchen ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:35:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: naturally my secrets spread world-wide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII naturally my secrets spread world-wide ls .* > zz .#zz .addressbook .addressbook.lu .auto .bio .bio.old .delgroups .editor .emacs .exrc .forward .hlevel .ircrc .ispell_english .julu .juluold .learnrc .lynx_cookies .lynxrc .machinemessage .mailer .mailme .memo .message .message.old .motd-social_time .motd_time .msgsrc .muttrc .ncrecent .newnewsrc17612 .newnewsrc601 .newsrc .newsrc.bak .newsrc.eep .newsrc.old .newsreader .oldnewsrc .one .phoenix.away .pine-debug1 .pinerc .pinerc~ .plan .printmenu .procmailrc .profile .profile.save .project .pshenv .pshrc .pshrc.old .rhosts .rmm .rnlast .rnsoft .s .sig .spam .termtype .tfrc .trace .two .xtod .ytalkrc .BitchX: screens .elm: .emacs.d: auto-save-list .mailspool: sondheim .ncftp: bookmarks firewall history init_v3 log prefs prefs_v3 trace trace.24264 traces.old .nn: LAST LOCK NEXTG select select.bak .procmail: log rc.folders .ssh: known_hosts known_hosts2 random_seed .tin: attributes filter headers newsrctable posted tinrc .trn: " ls .* > zz" Wrong boolean value 'false' false 65500 0.185922 13k ... name contains `.. tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors boldi boldi:/tmp/b$ls -la /tmp/zz/b ls: /tmp/zz/b: No such file or directory #note - this is OK true Craig DeFalco Craig DeFalco. 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(let ((ll (last ls))) (when (cdr ll) (setf (cdr ll) (cons (cdr ll) nil)))) ls) (defsubst to-list (zz) If ZZ is a list, return ZZ true rev=1.2 3k LS-8-ZZ. Dimensions (inch), d, 3/4, Two Shields ZZ. D, 1 7/8. B, 9/16. Approx. Wgt. lbs, .280. Interchange, FBC, LS-8 PP. FED, LS-8-FF. RHP, LJ- 3/4 -2Z. SKF (Eur.), RLS-6-2Z. true 5)=Cancel choice=wmenu(tmpmenu) if (choice eq 5) then return if (choice eq 0) then begin GS_FOVplot,ls,ss,1 GS_Disp,ss Starno=0 return endif zz=0 if true OAM 10 1 false ls .* > zz ... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:25:43 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: Possum Pouch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Alan Gilbert and I have been talking about poetry and politics during the last few months. The first part of our dialogue is available now in the Possum Pouch: www.skankypossum.com/pouch. Print issues 9 and 10 of Skanky Possum are slowly being made available. We hope to have copies to SPD in January. Single issues are $6 plus $1.50 p/h. Buy both for $12 in January and we'll waive the shipping. Current contributors include Eileen Myles, Timothy Liu, Linh Dinh, Duncan McNaughton and Nathaniel Tarn, among many others. Happy New Year Dale -- Dale Smith 2925 Higgins Street Austin, Texas 78722 www.skankypossum.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 19:43:05 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: No One "Who Risked Their Life" In Iraq Will Get Lucrative Contracts Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press U.S. Defends Freeze-out For Iraq Contract Bids: Contrary To Bush's Public Pronouncement, No One "Who Risked Their Life" In Iraq Will Get Lucrative Contracts: Contracts Instead Go To Corporations Not Troops by Jeffey Lube The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:27:28 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Barcelona? In-Reply-To: <1eb.1647d443.2d20d299@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is anyone on the list from Barcelona? If so backchannel please RB saudade@comcast.net > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of Joe Brennan > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 6:43 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: No One "Who Risked Their Life" In Iraq Will Get Lucrative > Contracts > > > Click here: The Assassinated Press > > U.S. Defends Freeze-out For Iraq Contract Bids: > Contrary To Bush's Public Pronouncement, No One "Who Risked Their Life" In > Iraq Will Get Lucrative Contracts: > Contracts Instead Go To Corporations Not Troops > by Jeffey Lube > The Assassinated Press > > > > They hang the man and flog the woman > That steal the goose from off the common, > But let the greater villain loose > That steals the common from the goose. > > ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of > desire -- in > the > sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful > language > of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or > hypocritical, > whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The > dominating > impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a > prescribed > good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom > it is poured > > forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward > the slaughter > house. > One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first > giving > free reign to this hubbub of voices...." > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:57:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I think the boy was being ironic, George. At 02:12 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, George Bowering wrote: >>what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left > >That's a US idea, right? > >I mean, for most of the western world, the Democrats appear right of center. >-- >George Bowering >Could have been a diva. > >303 Fielden Ave. >Port Colborne. ON, >L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:56:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: unadulterated text MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII unadulterated text the knowledge of the citadel came too late. the ancient city. nothing is happening here i must put my affairs in order my jewish back is against the wall 'I always said that one of the things I thought about my writing is that I try to write in the midst of confusion and be strong enough to stay there, rather than swim to the shore of some kind of conclusion, because I think that's how I live my life and to me there's a value in that.' (from Charlie Kaufman interview in Adaptation, The Shooting Script.) it's safe to rearrange things, procreate file outputs, intersperse code, hide behind kabbalah. here is text, i am on a journey to bring back the law from another country. it is 399 a.d. it is 835 a.d. it is not a.d., it is c.e., my jewish back is against the wall. the wall is moving and collapsing. (perhaps there are no more walls, perhaps the world is an earthquake, perhaps we are all guilty. in any case, i must put my affairs in order.) +++ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:11:46 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031228235648.01d3f848@mail.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it's commonly said in the UK that americans don't understand sarcasm. On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 07:57, Mark Weiss wrote: > I think the boy was being ironic, George. > > At 02:12 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, George Bowering wrote: > >>what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left > > > >That's a US idea, right? > > > >I mean, for most of the western world, the Democrats appear right of center. > >-- > >George Bowering > >Could have been a diva. > > > >303 Fielden Ave. > >Port Colborne. ON, > >L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 08:24:33 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ Silent rhyme: Marianne Moore & the question of the line Philadelphia Progressive Poetry Calendar Whose Marianne Moore? Jena Osman: turning poetry inside out Jena Osman: Memory error theater Disruptive poetry: Jena Osman, Christian B=F6k et al When the unimaginable suddenly appears obvious =96 the intellectual theater of Jena Osman Mary Margaret Sloan on poetry in Chicago No one listens to poetry But they sure do love to read poetics=20 -- the aesthetics of rubbernecking Sentences along Guermantes Way James Rother fumes & harrumphs -- clearing a path for a stronger=20 School of Quietude? Windmills & Scalapino=92s plahn A holograph edition of Niedecker=92s Paean to Place Gabriel Martinez=92 homage to Michelle Kwan http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 17:52:22 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Craig, I like Kucinich, too. He's the best of the Democrats. As I winnowed out the others it was partially the plain common sense of Kucinich. He reminds me of the recently passed Senator Paul Simon. Simon is the only presidential candidate I ever campaigned for. I liked the bow tie, it's true, and I suppose that most people didn't. I also liked that he was literate enough to write plain good sense books about hunger, and sidewalks. He was wiped out after one or two state primaries and never really got going, but he had ideals, principles, and he was an authentic character. Howard Dean is too cynical for me I guess. He reminds me of a tough doctor who tells you the diagnosis and then you can't ask questions because he has another patient to see. I really hope he doesn't get the nomination. Sharpton is nuts, but he's tremendous fun -- it might be worth it to vote for him just to have an INTERESTING election. Kerry is turning out to be lifeless, as is Edwards (they make such vague proposals I can't remember anything they say). Only Kucinich seems clear-minded and folksy with downhome common sense. Lieberman sounds just like Bush to me, and then there's the awfully weak chin to consider. I don't know how Kucinich would come off to foreigners. We have a public relations problem with Bush to say the least. I think he has good basic principles but zero sense of how to implement them, and a lack of patience. I didn't vote for Bush, and was mad that he got in on such a fluke, but since then he didn't turn out to be quite as bad as I had actually feared. He can give a speech now and then, and he has some emotional presence. Somehow this is the major flaw within the leading Democrats. I can't pick up on any emotional presence in ANY of them. It's as if they are cardboard figures, AGAIN. Most of my green friends will not vote for a Democrat. They won't vote in fact for anything but a green. Nader has genuine moral authority after forty years of working without a high salary to actually improve American life. I like to read what he says, and he is intelligent. But to vote for a small party? I did that for Barry Commoner in 1980, but it is in a sense as Mark and Ron is saying a tossed vote. Unless the Democrats can come up with a guy with an emotional spark nothing is going to matter. Bush is going to win because he has emotions, and can convey them to the audience. He cries, he laughs, and he has motion in the center of his body. When he walks he looks like a dancer. He can turn his feet and sway his hips. This drives women wild. The voters don't trust the Democrats I think because they all appear to be lifeless with the exception of Sharpton, who does have a body. Bush may not have much upstairs but his logic is clear when he speaks. Also, he has a body and a heart. Out of the current group of Democrats, I just register nothing when I listen to them. Even Kucinich just appears lifeless even when next to Senator Paul Simon, who is actually dead. -- Kirby Olson ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:14:59 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Sun Of A Thousand Names Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed this to be called The Spoils Of War? this takes a fast look around them to you? exaggerated according to me exaggerated all! Mouse Zero, the muzzle of which is insufficient, gets down to the wing in a moment you felt I appealed to this, two are many -- many beautifully like this Spoils Of War what duty don't this I know? you use Mouse Zero to return to us! lovable very many, for me, looking for The Poet this to be called Abyss Of The War? and its surname? Harrison? will he make a success of the position of Principal Mouse Zero? does he like my clay/tone, as if love-worth was a large number? I condemn your friend, who locates observations, and not sincerely, in order to create the position of Mouse Zero he'll ridicule Mouse Zero in order to call this Hell Of War? what is the surname of the lady? Smith? Jones? Harrison the passed name, he writes it down with wings of a little while! you are all the hybrid spoils! this to buy you glances at them? you are all equal and you are all bastard spoils! I come to an agreement with all the folks I am! a conclusion full of lewd persons? ------------------------ LOOT e-book Fall 2003 http://www.xpressed.org/title.html _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable dial-up Internet access now with our limited-time introductory offer. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:39:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Landers, Susan" Subject: relief in Iran MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all: I'm trying to collect info on the best organizations to donate to for the relief effort going on in Iran. I want to avoid orgs with high overhead to prevent cash going to middlemen (e.g. Unicef, RedCross). I found Relief International and MercyCorps through a blog, but don't know anything about them, and would love additional suggestions. I read Bam had 80,000 and the death toll is around 30,000 (!). I can't begin to imagine losing half of the population of my city. If anyone knows something about relief efforts, please share. Thanks, Sue ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:44:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.1.20031228235648.01d3f848@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >I think the boy was being ironic, George. I WAS hoping so. But I saw today a photo of the front page of the Boston Globe, and it simply said that Bush was urging the battle of freedom against fear. > >At 02:12 PM 12/28/2003 -0500, George Bowering wrote: >>>what a great idea. i mean, the democrats are so much further to the left >> >>That's a US idea, right? >> >>I mean, for most of the western world, the Democrats appear right of center. >>-- >>George Bowering >>Could have been a diva. >> >>303 Fielden Ave. >>Port Colborne. ON, >>L3K 4T5 -- George Bowering Could have been a diva. 303 Fielden Ave. Port Colborne. ON, L3K 4T5 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:20:23 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit loyalty to a particular political party is such an extension of football, baseball, whatever ball that's being tossed or kicked around. the fact that there are Greens who cannot see the value of certain Democrats is as idiotic as Democrats who cannot see the value of certain Greens. if Nader had been the Democrat and Gore the Green, i STILL would have voted for Nader in 2000. we like emblems, symbols, elephants or asses. slap a logo on the can and the ideas inside are suddenly worth looking at a little closer. but then there's the guy selling the can opener to get inside, and maybe he's really the guy we should be voting for in the first place? i mean, maybe we should pass an amendment that all CEOs of American corporations have to be voted into their jobs by the nation? my mother would do a great job screwing up Nike for instance, i'd vote for her. CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:56:02 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: The Death Drive: Kill Bill Gates/Toydeath (SLEEPY BRAIN) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello unto you, Presenting a double whammy from Sleepy Brain: a review of the mockumentary Nothing So Strange, about the assassination of Bill Gates, and an interview with GI Joe, from Toydeath, who use kids toys to create "music". **************************************************** Sleepy Brain (Extra-Retinal) NOTHING SO STRANGE: Kill Bill Gates, Volume 1 http://www.sleepybrain.net/strange.html **************************************************** Nothing So Strange is a new mockumentary about the assassination of Bill Gates. It1s also the first feature film to have its worldwide commercial debut on the internet. Footage from Nothing So Strange has been released as open source, and the film follows the efforts of the conspiracy/activist collective Citizens For Truth, who attempt to disclose the LAPD1s cover up of evidence associated with Gates1 assasination. Alek Hiddell, an African-American who was shot by the police moments after the assassination, is blamed for the killing, but evidence suggests he may be innocent. An attack on the LAPD1s real history of corruption is woven into the story, with footage of the Rodney King beating. Rebecca Cannon enters this strange, alternate universe... **************************************************** http://www.sleepybrain.net/strange.html **************************************************** **************************************************** Sleepy Brain (Tone Float) TOYDEATH: Annihilating Childhood Fantasies http://www.sleepybrain.net/toy.html **************************************************** Imagine a hyper band of aliens channeling through a broken AM radio, and someone's playing with the speed control. But the Hendrix-worthy feedback wails are actually the sirens of toy fire engines, the spastic beats courtesy of model helicopters. Toydeath proves that punk ain't dead, it's just moved into a toy box. Upon returning from their recent tour in Germany, Holland and Belgium, Toydeath1s more recent alter egos include band member Michael Lira1s trangressive adaptation of Donny Darko and the new, transgendered Le-booby. Mikelangelo gets behind the translucent mask of GI Joe, Toydeath1s core circuit-bender. **************************************************** http://www.sleepybrain.net/toy.html **************************************************** -- Simon Sellars SLEEPY BRAIN MAGAZINE DROMA PRODUCTIONS SUB DEE INDUSTRIES (t) + 61 03 9417 1547 (m) 0403 919 790 (w) http://www.sleepybrain.net (e) simon@sleepybrain.net -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:22:19 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is what we call "shadow boxing." -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Bowering" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW > >I think the boy was being ironic, George. > > > I WAS hoping so. But I saw today a photo of the front page of the > Boston Globe, and it simply said that Bush was urging the battle of > freedom against fear. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:33:34 -0800 Reply-To: kalamu@aol.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: ACTION: stop a modern day lynching MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>DIA: stop a modern day lynching =========================== Dear Kalamu, I don't know if you are aware, but Dwight York is a long time hustler and cultist and blight on black folks. Previously he has held himself out as the descendent of the Prophet Muhammad, as the Mahdi (promised guide or Messiah) of Islam, as a modern-day Christian prophet, and now a Native American chief! He has left a long trail of broken and abused and disheartened and sexually exploited and financially impoverished Black folk. He has a great number of children by his followers in his various incarnations, many of whom thoroughly despise him. He appears to be a sociopath; certainly his long list of mutually exclusive identity claims proves him to be a pathological liar. At the very least he is an exploitive cultist. Brother Kalamu, I write this not to badmouth or to pass gossip about an innocent brother, and I certainly don't have any personal ax to grind against York. I'm just sharing this because I know the man of integrity that you are wouldn't want to unwittingly support anyone who wreaks such havoc on our folks. Peace and grace, Obery Hendricks, Ph.D. ------------------------------- -------------------------------- bro. kalamu; be careful with this group. Maliki York aka Imam Isa aka Al Khadir and aka several other names is a well known crook to the conscious community in NYC where he was the founder and head of the Ansar Allah Community, in which he mentally enslaved young black men and women to make himself rich. Research this matter further. Talk with your Brooklyn, New York comrades before forwarding anything else from this group. peace bro. kazi ------------------------------- Kalamu, Hi there. I had fowarded the piece on the group who is trying to keep their land in Georgia to some lists in Chicago. This was one of the replies that came back. I thought you should be aware of it. Thanks. Tobe --- Eric Peters wrote: > To: StudentsforSocialJustice@yahoogroups.com, > chiantiwar@yahoogroups.com > From: "Eric Peters" > Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:21:54 -0600 > Subject: [StudentsforSocialJustice] RE: ACTION: stop > a modern day lynching > > Talk about a flash from the past! I had forgotten > all about this. I know > Dr Malachi Z York, aka Maku, the Lamb, and a hundred > other names. He is the > leader of a predominantly African-American religious > cult down in Georgia > that's waiting for their extra terrestrial ancestors > to return for a select > 144,000 of them, which should happen within the next > few days if York's > predictions are correct, they are NOT Native > Americans and their land is Not > a federal reservation but rather private land owned > by York. His followers > opened up a bookstore in my community in NE Philly > back in 1995 so I got to > know them well. The people that I met were > interesting to say the least and > made some incredible claims, in addition to the ET > bit, and I decided to do > some research into the group and their beliefs. > Through this research I > actually came to know York himself via the internet. > It didn't take long to > see what this was, a religious cult and a big $$$ > con. York calls himself a > "messiah type" and asks people to "support the Lamb > in his retirement". He > is little more than a con-man preying upon the > weak-minded individuals > foolish enough to buy into his "I am your savior and > my name is ET" bullshit > and fork over their $$$. > > Who knows, maybe everything that he says is true in > which case I'll be > kicking myself in the ass for not reserving a seat > on the mothership when it > comes. > > All that I'm saying is that the man and the group > are not what they appear > to be and that this is not the first time I have > heard these and other kinds > of allegations against him. Doesn't mean that > they're true of course, but > any information coming from them should be taken > with a grain of salt. > > Check out the following site for more info, it also > has links to a few of > York's official, unofficial and related websites. > It's definitely worth the > read. > http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/nuwaubians.html > > Eric > > > ACTION: stop a modern day lynching > ============================= > > Please share this information with the people on your list serve. This > is > > an innocent man's life at hand. PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH ANYONE WITH A > HALF A > > MIND AND CAN READ AND UNDERSTAND THE INJUSTICES GOING ON HERE! > > > > My name is Maurice Thompson and I would like to bring to your attention > the > > injustices that are being perpetrated through the judicial system here > in > > Middle Georgia. The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, > > U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999 have been enduring an ongoing > feud > > with the Sheriff of Putnam County, Sheriff Howard Richard Sills, Badge# > 117, > > since 1997 mostly dealing with building and zoning violations on our 476 > > acre Native American Village, Wahanee, in Putnam County, Georgia, which > got > > extensive media in national newspapers such as the Weekly World News, > The > > New York Times, Time Magazine, The Hartford Inquirer, The New York > Press, > > The New York Daily Challenge, Amsterdam News and the Source. This feud > has > > lead up to the current incarceration of our Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black > Thunderbird > > ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York on child molestation charges in the State > and > > Federal court systems and their only evidence admittedly is double and > > triple hear say. They have NO DNA, NO MEDICAL OR PHYSICAL EVIDENCE that > any > > of these alleged crimes ever occurred NO VIDEO TAPES AND NO PICTURES. > Maku > > ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù has been indicted 5 times to > cover up > > previous mistakes over the past 2 years. Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black > Thunderbird > > ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù was recently indicted now on RICO charges stating that our > entire > > tribe was established to molest children; this is a blatant misuse of > the > > judicial system. The federal government has filed a civil case to > forfeit > > our land and is also seeking to forfeit the property in the criminal > case. > > THIS IS CLEARLY A MOTIVE FUELED BY VINDICTIVENESS. > > > It has been almost 2 years since the arrest of our Chief on May 8, 2002. > > Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York, a 58 > year old man > > with a life threatening illness, Hereditary Angioedema, has been > tortured > > and held with out bond or a trial for almost 2 years, while the State > and > > Federal court prosecutors search for evidence to prove their case that > has > > obviously been fabricated due to the power and prestige, that America > > classifies as a ‚ÄúBlack Leader‚Äù. In fact who they have incarcerated > is a > > Chief of a Native American Indigenous tribe that has continued to exist > > since before the formulation of the United States of America in 1776 > A.D. > > The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. > > Registry No. 208/1999 respect the laws, rights, and freedoms of all > > governments and nations as perpetuated in the Human Rights Declaration > of > > the United Nations. > > > The Yamassee Native American Moors of the Creek Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. > > Registry No. 208/1999 have existed in peace and will continue to exist > in > > peace yet our cries are going unheard. We are calling upon you to assist > us > > by exposing the blatant misuse of the judicial system due to vengeance > and > > negative aspirations of racist local government officials. We have > presented > > facts to show how the case against Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird > ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù > is > > racially motivated, we have exposed the lies of the alleged victims > granted > > immunity by the federal government and state government, yet these facts > > remain ignored and our chief having been denied bond, remains > incarcerated > > for the simple fact of being defined a leader. > > > On December 16, 2003 Judge C. Ashley Royal the presiding judge over the > > Federal Case has stated that he seek to close the court room to the > public > > and only selected one representative of the media to be present. This is > the > > very thing the constitution of the United States of America was > formulated > > to prevent, yet Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black Thunderbird ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù is not > privileged to > > these rights of being presumed innocent, the right to due process, the > right > > to freedom of speech, the right to freedom of religion with out > persecution, > > the right to a public trial and the right to not be subjected to cruel > an > > unusual punishment. We are asking you to look into this situation check > this > > out and tell others about our tribe and our chief that continues to be > > subjected to torture just for who he is, Maku ‚ÄúChief‚Äù Black > Thunderbird > > ‚ÄúEagle‚Äù AKA Malachi York of The Yamassee Native American Moors of > the Creek > > Nation, U.N.N.M., B.I.A. Registry No. 208/1999. Please answer this call > > today BEFORE JANUARY 5, 2004. WE NEED A RESPONSE NOW. > > Sincerely > > > > Maurice Thompson > mauricethompson9@hotmail.com > > > check out http://www.unnm.com >> > > -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:49:46 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There are swing voters. I don't think I have ever met one, though. Everybody I know makes up their mind according to the label. In my whole life I've never met a single swing voter. Does anybody know these people? They will apparently determine the election, since the nation seems to be about 50-50 Democrat or Republican. Maybe these swing voters are people who need glasses or something and just punch away at the voting cards, hitting willy nilly. I can't believe that anybody actually weighs the issues, and rethinks after about age 25. I also don't know anybody who has actually changed parties except possibly Norman Podhoretz and David Horowitz, who I don't know personally. The green party people that I know are completely loyal to the green party. But I only know four or five of them -- they are all on the west coast, and all anarchists, four are teachers at Portland Community College, and one is a mountain climbing guide (college room-mate). Even with thumb screws or 72 virgins you couldn't entice a change. -- Kirby Olson Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > loyalty to a particular political party is such an extension of football, > baseball, whatever ball that's being tossed or kicked around. > > the fact that there are Greens who cannot see the value of certain Democrats > is as idiotic as Democrats who cannot see the value of certain Greens. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 13:20:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Tell Nader to stop NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Ron S., Mark Weiss, and others: Have forwarded two letters (emails) to Nader, one through the Nader link you supplied and another a week or so ago through moveon.org or Dean website ( I forget which). Was blunt, not particularly polite in my messages to Nader. Been a Nader adherent for many years and do NOT blame him for Bush getting elected, but "strongly" discourage his consideration of running for president and siphoning off votes for Dean, whom I support with both money and local Dean campaign work. My two cents: Ain't so keen on Green party right now. "Idealism" does NOT reduce to their ideals alone, and "practical political ends" (getting Bush out of of power) cannot suffer selfish ideals of any spoiler parties or, similarly, Bush-lite candidates like Lieberman and Gephardt, running because their egos tell them that they need to add "President" to their lists of career achievements at this time. I.e., too many "life or death" issues at stake to permit Green goals separating greater Progressive movement from baseline priorities (namely, remove the sociopaths from office). If we can remove Bush, all the "higher" desires and needs can be attended to. With Bush Co. still in power, simple survival needs are at risk. Blah blah blah, my two cents. Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:50:31 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You may want to read this: http://www.sacurrent.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=10705756&BRD=2318&PAG=461&dept_id=482778&rfi=6 Five more years of this and there won't be enough of the democracy left to put the Constitution back together again. It would take not a political party but a Resistance Movement, an Underground. So that, as much as I like Nader's ideas it would be too risky to support him. I'd rather he speak to keep the Democratic candidate focused on the green side of the spectrum, and I hope the candidate will be Howard Dean. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Tills" To: Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: Tell Nader to stop NOW > Ron S., Mark Weiss, and others: > > Have forwarded two letters (emails) to Nader, one through the Nader link you > supplied and another a week or so ago through moveon.org or Dean website ( I > forget which). > > Was blunt, not particularly polite in my messages to Nader. Been a Nader > adherent for many years and do NOT blame him for Bush getting elected, but > "strongly" discourage his consideration of running for president and > siphoning off votes for Dean, whom I support with both money and local Dean > campaign work. > > My two cents: Ain't so keen on Green party right now. "Idealism" does NOT > reduce to their ideals alone, and "practical political ends" (getting Bush > out of of power) cannot suffer selfish ideals of any spoiler parties or, > similarly, Bush-lite candidates like Lieberman and Gephardt, running because > their egos tell them that they need to add "President" to their lists of > career achievements at this time. I.e., too many "life or death" issues at > stake to permit Green goals separating greater Progressive movement from > baseline priorities (namely, remove the sociopaths from office). If we can > remove Bush, all the "higher" desires and needs can be attended to. With > Bush Co. still in power, simple survival needs are at risk. > > Blah blah blah, my two cents. > > Steve Tills > Microcomputer/Software Specialist > MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. > 315-462-4309 > Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:29:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: universal code MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII universal code feramfs tnnlda ripactqdl bqbtc dthqne amevrd sed 's/x/o/g' zz > yy sed 's/u/n/g' yy > zz sed 's/j/u/g' zz > yy sed 's/g/e/g' yy > zz sed 's/z/a/g' zz > yy sed 's/f/t/g' yy > zz sed 's/w/x/g' zz > yy sed 's/b/i/g' yy > zz sed 's/q/g/g' zz > yy sed 's/v/l/g' yy > zz sed 's/yy/y/g' zz > yy sed 's/x/m/g' yy > zz sed 's/gn/ng/g' zz > yy sed 's/lll/l/g' yy > zz sed 's/nnn/nn/g' zz > yy sed 's/-//g' yy > zz sed 's/\.//g' yy > zz sed 's/,//g' zz > yy sed 's/ddd/d/g' zz > yy sed 's/gg/ng/g' yy > zz tlrvco, dpnpm qcmtp sxygsa swvhu _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 17:36:33 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: The New Republicans: Ridge To Personally Conduct Interrorgation Of Cow Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press The New Republicans: Bush/Cheney Declare Greed To Officially Replace Freedom As US Ideal by Barry Greesy NY Times Representative The Assassinated Press Mass Arrests In Iraq: To Black GIs Sweep Brings Back Memories Of Home: Rumsfeld: If We Lock 'Em All Up We Can Maintain The Fiction That It's Just Hussein Sympathizers Behind The Resistance: T-Bone The Mad Cow Arrested, Kept In Solitary Confinement, Separated From Calves: Tom Ridge To Personally Conduct Interrorgation Of Cow: Assrift Declares T-Bone Enemy Combatant, Disallows Cow Access To Legal Counsel by Chrustifur Torchyall The Assassinated Press They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:16:32 -0500 Reply-To: dbuuck@Mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "dbuuck@Mindspring.com" Subject: FW: Re: DC, dramatists and literary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can anyone give a close reading of the following spam? or is it flarf? DBk Original Message: ----------------- From: Simms Ty sxpikutub@hongkong=2Ecom Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 05:20:25 +0500 To: dbuuck@mindspring=2Ecom Subject: Re: DC, dramatists and literary serbia prosody grapheme kingbird spatterdock=20 ferromagnetic burke laue postfix productivity anthem=20 innermost seen hess enclave caviar grand chinaman symbol=20 drumhead duplicable=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:37:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: Resent-From: Poetics List Administration Comments: Originally-From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_Gl=FCck?= From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Readings:Bob, Leslie, Kathleen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends, Here are two more readings to launch my little book--then I will be silent! If you know anyone who might like to attend, it would be kind on you to pass this message on. Monday, January 5th at 7:30 Monday at Moe's 2476 Telegraph Berkeley I will be reading with LESLIE SCALAPINO, who is celebrating her new book, DAHLIA'S IRIS, published by the Fiction Collective 2 Tuesday, January 13th, at 7:00 Clean Well Lighted Place 601 Van Ness Ave. San Francisco I will be reading with KATHLEEN FRASER, who is celebrating her new book, DISCRETE CATEGORIES FORCED INTO COUPLING DENNY SMITH is published by Clear Cut Press These stories will generously reward language lovers, lovers of wonderfully observed fiction, and those who simply delight in watching subtleties of sensibility analyzed with concision and wit. To read them is to see, up close and in color, what much of our contemporary world is, in its failings, in its pleasures, in its pathos and sexual richness. -Samuel R. Delany ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:05:29 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: The ultimate weapon of terrorism Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , dreamtime@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FBI urges police to watch for people carrying almanacs Monday, December 29, 2003 Posted: 7:18 PM EST (0018 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI is warning police nationwide to be alert for people carrying almanacs, cautioning that the popular reference books covering everything from abbreviations to weather trends could be used for terrorist planning. In a bulletin sent Christmas Eve to about 18,000 police organizations, the FBI said terrorists may use almanacs "to assist with target selection and pre-operational planning." It urged officers to watch during searches, traffic stops and other investigations for anyone carrying almanacs, especially if the books are annotated in suspicious ways. "The practice of researching potential targets is consistent with known methods of al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations that seek to maximize the likelihood of operational success through careful planning," the FBI wrote. The Associated Press obtained a copy of the bulletin this week and verified its authenticity. "For local law enforcement, it's just to help give them one more piece of information to raise their suspicions," said David Heyman, a terrorism expert for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "It helps make sure one more bad guy doesn't get away from a traffic stop, maybe gives police a little bit more reason to follow up on this." The FBI noted that use of almanacs or maps may be innocent, "the product of legitimate recreational or commercial activities." But it warned that when combined with suspicious behavior -- such as apparent surveillance -- a person with an almanac "may point to possible terrorist planning." The publisher for The Old Farmers Almanac said Monday terrorists would probably find statistical reference books more useful than the collections of Americana in his famous publication of weather predictions and witticisms. "While we doubt that our editorial content would be of particular interest to people who would wish to do us harm, we will certainly cooperate to the fullest with national authorities at any level they deem appropriate," publisher John Pierce said. The FBI said information typically found in almanacs that could be useful for terrorists includes profiles of cities and states and information about waterways, bridges, dams, reservoirs, tunnels, buildings and landmarks. It said this information is often accompanied by photographs and maps. The FBI urged police to report such discoveries to the local U.S. Joint Terrorism Task Force. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:46:53 -0700 Reply-To: derek beaulieu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: derek beaulieu Subject: new from housepress: 'Three Rivers" by Lawrence Upton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable housepress is proud to announce the publication of: "Three Rivers" by Lawrence Upton Produced in an edition of 50 handbound copies with colour covers, "Three = Rivers" is a visual poem suite by Lawrence Upton, the author of numerous = books of text-based and visual poetry. Lawrence Upton is a poet, graphic = and sound artist, performer and collaborative writer. His recent = projects include DOMESTIC AMBIENT NOISE (with Bob Cobbing, 2000), Wire = Sculptures (2003) and SAN' (2003). He has also been the director of Sub = Voicive Poetry since 1994. =20 Copies are available directly from housepress for $4.00 each.=20 For more information, or to order copies, contact derek@housepress.ca derek beaulieu c/o housepress apt 205, 321 10th st NW calgary alberta canada t2n 1v7 derek@housepress.ca ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:49:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: Fw: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Poetics Friends,=20 I should inform you of the sources of the numbers in my note to Kirby; = they come from my personal computations of information gleaned from = National Voter Registration data available from each of the 50 states = and the voting districts of Puerto Rico and D.C. You are free to do = your own computations and dispute these numbers, of course, and I = readily acknowledge the fact that some of the categorization results are = from my personal interpretations of the listings some voters have chosen = when they registered. And on some, I guessed...not having a clear cut = statement from the registrant. =20 But, the veracity of the data notwithstanding, I thought you all might = find the numbers in my note to Kirby Olson interesting. =20 Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: alexander saliby=20 To: olsonjk@delhi.edu=20 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a = reason Kirby, My understanding of the definition of a swing voter is this: approximately 10% OF THE VOTER BASE IS RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE approximately 10% OF THE VOTER BASE IS LEFT WING RADICAL approximately 15% OF THE VOTER BASE CLAIMS NO PARTY AFFILIATION. approximately 25% OF THE VOTER BASE CLAIM TO BE REPUBLICANS approximately 30% OF THE VOTER BASE CLAIM TO BE DEMOCRATS the balance 10% of the VOTER BASE are a mish-mash collection of = folks THE SWING VOTERS ARE THOSE IN AN ELECTION WHO CAN BE CONVINCED TO ALIGN = WITH OR CAST THEIR VOTES IN FAVOR OF A CANDIDATE FROM ONE OF THE TWO = MAJOR PARTIES.=20 THESE NUMBERS ARE ESTIMATES, BUT UNUSUALLY CLOSE TO REALITY...AS YOU CAN = SEE BY DOING THE MATH, 35% of the base is Republican and 40% is = "Democratic...the other 25% of the voters have the power to "Swing" the = election one way or another. More importantly, they lack sufficient = power to elect any candidate on their own. =20 But there's more to the issue than this media explanation. In my view, = if you know anyone who voted for Ralph Nader in the last election, you = know a swing voter too, because those who did cast such votes, for the = most part, were people more inclined to have voted Gore rather than Bush = had they voted mainstream. And that too did swing the outcome...IMHO. Alex=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kirby Olson=20 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=20 Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:49 AM Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a = reason There are swing voters. I don't think I have ever met one, though. = Everybody I know makes up their mind according to the label. In my whole life = I've never met a single swing voter. Does anybody know these people? They will = apparently determine the election, since the nation seems to be about 50-50 = Democrat or Republican. Maybe these swing voters are people who need glasses or = something and just punch away at the voting cards, hitting willy nilly. I can't = believe that anybody actually weighs the issues, and rethinks after about age = 25. I also don't know anybody who has actually changed parties except possibly = Norman Podhoretz and David Horowitz, who I don't know personally. The green = party people that I know are completely loyal to the green party. But I = only know four or five of them -- they are all on the west coast, and all anarchists, = four are teachers at Portland Community College, and one is a mountain climbing = guide (college room-mate). Even with thumb screws or 72 virgins you = couldn't entice a change. -- Kirby Olson Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > loyalty to a particular political party is such an extension of = football, > baseball, whatever ball that's being tossed or kicked around. > > the fact that there are Greens who cannot see the value of certain = Democrats > is as idiotic as Democrats who cannot see the value of certain = Greens. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 23:59:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: hsn Subject: Re: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason In-Reply-To: <3FF08559.E9C8057C@delhi.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >>In my whole life I've never met a single swing voter. Does anybody know these people?<< yeah, some kith & kin. it is kind of unbelievable but they are pretty unbelievable, so there's that. some friends who voted for nader will now vote dem.& i've heard quite a few people call into c-span the last few months announcing their switch to the dems from repubs. of course, xian fundamentalism is rampant after 9/11, with folks and dogs in terror of End of Days, Eternal Damnation & such. i'd like to know the rate of born-agains per day to gauge increase in repub voters. 2 cent: some adept strategists in the repub. party have anticipated a good number of voters (&/or pollsters) to be gullible, i.e. dumb, divided, bewildered, idealistic or jaded. so far they've not been far off. they've counted on it & it's been worth the risk for them. they're still counting on it. we'll see unless not. h On 12/29/03 2:49 PM, "Kirby Olson" wrote: > There are swing voters. I don't think I have ever met one, though. Everybody > I > know makes up their mind according to the label. In my whole life I've never > met > a single swing voter. Does anybody know these people? They will apparently > determine the election, since the nation seems to be about 50-50 Democrat or > Republican. Maybe these swing voters are people who need glasses or something > and just punch away at the voting cards, hitting willy nilly. I can't believe > that anybody actually weighs the issues, and rethinks after about age 25. I > also > don't know anybody who has actually changed parties except possibly Norman > Podhoretz and David Horowitz, who I don't know personally. The green party > people that I know are completely loyal to the green party. But I only know > four > or five of them -- they are all on the west coast, and all anarchists, four > are > teachers at Portland Community College, and one is a mountain climbing guide > (college room-mate). Even with thumb screws or 72 virgins you couldn't entice > a > change. > > -- Kirby Olson > > Craig Allen Conrad wrote: > >> loyalty to a particular political party is such an extension of football, >> baseball, whatever ball that's being tossed or kicked around. >> >> the fact that there are Greens who cannot see the value of certain Democrats >> is as idiotic as Democrats who cannot see the value of certain Greens. >> ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:13:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: FW: Re: DC, dramatists and literary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It's spam. There's no close reading. 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I have some palm markup switches in my poem. They work better in the poem if you know they're switches. /x also, of course, there's all sorts of software on palm; I'm working on a dictionary / translator poem and an address book poem, among other things, but my favorite software is freeware -- there is acrobat reader for Palm which is free; you have to download and install it: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/acrrpalmdload.html then you can read .pdfs on your palm (still not great for stuff which wasn't reformatted for the tiny screen, tho) (and still the infernal adobe ad), including the poems at beehive, which, although I've never been able to get anything there, has some reg. poems formatted for palm download -- though I know yr fiction, I'm a sicker fr "cabinet" plays, etc.: http://microtitles.com/index.html more soon, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:14:24 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: nU-Kmt-- 2004 is set to be exciting year. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2004 is set to be exciting year. The radio shows are scheduled for the next 3 months. We've confirmed some prolific artist for interviews i.e TY,Fusion & M.A.D Danger so please take the time & trouble to log on & let the world know. Sponsorship of ours shows is required. So please contact myself on 07838 1974 68 -- Every friday Genesis fm 91.6 18:00-20:00 " " ramjamradio 22:00-00:00 Please forward general mail to nu_mail@postmaster.co.uk. Including adverts, mailouts etc. Peace & Blessings from KMT. http://www.nu-kmt.com,www.ramjamradio.com -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:15:54 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: PUB: anthology--desde el barrio: revolutionary songs and poems from our chicano streets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PUB: anthology--desde el barrio: revolutionary songs and poems from our chicano streets ========================================================== call for submissions: desde el barrio MCR Productions in conjunction with Dr. Pancho McFarland of the Center for the Applied Study of American Ethnicity at Colorado State University invite Chicano youth ages 12-25 to submit your poetry, rap and song lyrics and short stories for possible inclusion in the book, Desde el Barrio: Revolutionary Songs and Poems from Our Chicano Streets. All writers, rappers and poets are encouraged to submit work related to the themes of social change and revolution. As you write consider the following questions: What is your world like? and What should it be like? The editors of the book, Mark Ramirez and Pancho McFarland, want to know what is going on in your barrios and communities and what you think ought to happen. Themes could include love, friendship, the cops, the government, the schools, family, ancestry, culture, race relations and racism, the court system, the environment, food, health, violence, guns, war, peace, barrio warfare, the economy, work, relationships, boyfriends and girlfriends, the land, city streets, heroes and heroines, drug use, alcoholism, pleasure, desire, sex, machismo, armed revolution, sexism, homosexuality and homophobia, descriptions of your barrio or community. Don't place limits on your imagination and creativity. We welcome other themes related to revolution and social change. If you'd like to see one or more of your writings in print, send one copy of your work to Dr. McFarland or MCR Productions by December 31, 2003 at the address below: MCR Productions 6745 Washington Ave. # 188 Whittier,CA 90601 Email submissions : mcrprod@aol.com panchomac87@hotmail.com Once all entries have been received the editors will select some for inclusion in the book. If your work is selected you will be notified and we will ask your permission to publish it. >> http://www.victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/12/19814.php -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:15:37 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: SubText Reading Series, Seattle MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From : Subtext Reading Series Sent : Monday, December 29, 2003 11:00 PM To : shoehorns@msn.com Subject : SUBTEXT POETRY READING - Maryrose LARKIN & Roberta OLSON | | Inbox Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with reading= s by Maryrose Larkin and Roberta Olson at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday,= January 7, 2004. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on th= e evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Maryrose Larkin lives in Portland, where she works as a freelance researc= her. Her work can be found in F O A R M, Insurance, Bird Dog, Columbia Poetry = Review, & Washington Review. She is co-editor, with Cynthia Kimball, of F= LASH+CARD Press, and is a member of the Spare Room Poetry Collective. Roberta Olson's work has most recently appeared in the Seattle journals B= ird Dog, and Monkey Puzzle. Her chapbook All These Fair and Flagrant Things = was published in 2001 by Etherdome (Oakland). She continuously lives in Seat= tle with her husband John Olson and their cat Toby. Her future is ungraspabl= e. The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: Feb 4, 2004: Jeff Derksen (Vancouver, BC) & Kreg Hasegawa (Seattle) Mar 3, 2004: Juliana Spahr (Hawaii & Oakland, CA) and Bill Luoma (Oakland= ) Apr 7, 2004: Anselm Berrigan (NYC) and Karen Weiser (NYC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.speakeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:05:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: alexander saliby Subject: A political point of view, sorry. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Politics Once Again: The question to ask is not, which democrat, or third party, or = non-affiliate candidate can defeat president Bush, but rather, how can = the middle/left-leaning majority of the nation regain control of the = political mechanism in the nation? =20 And to answer that question, we need to analyze exactly how it is that = the right-wing minority conservative element managed to wrestle control = of the nation's political scene? The right is in control for three reasons: 1. they have brilliantly structured a program that works within the = mainstream major party system...they became Republicans. =20 2. they were patient and diligently, patiently chartered a course of = action that led to small victories. Collectively, those small victories = led to the White House in 2000. =20 3. they relied heavily on the ability of the voice of the conservative = element, Rush Limbaugh, to continue to persuade the aging population = that the youngsters were running amuck..e.g. Clinton's getting blowjobs = in the oval office...can anything be worse than that? (note that all of = that publicity which afflicted Clinton, never hurt the GOP sinners...how = many girlfriends, wives, consorts, did Newt Gingrich have all the while = he served in the House? And what did the left do to bring all that news = to light? Newt is, after all, on his third wife, and he was schtooping = his girlfriend/third wife while his second lady was in a care facility. = WOW,what's worse, adulty when your partner is ill, or blowjobs in the = Oval Office? Ok, maybe both are not good, but only one was used as a = weapon.)=20 So, what can the left leaning learn from all this?=20 1. Stop running around like wounded animals being mistreated by the = "system." And that means stop all this juvenile demonstration crap from = the 60's. Demonstrating may be a way to get your name in the papers, = but it won't sway voters who might otherwise agree with your = politico-philosphical views. And by the way, IMHO, Ralph Nader is doing = just this, as are all Green Party folks. {Note to Greens...become = Dems!!! Tell Nader to grow up and learn to work within the two party = system...if he can't do that, maybe he needs to accept the fact that he = has failed.} 2. Martial a plan that works within the two party system, and work that = plan. 3. Be patient! It did take the conservatives better than 40 years to = gain control...regaining control for the left leaning won't happen in 40 = hours, or even 1 election.=20 And who really gives a shit whether it is Dean or Kerry of Kucinich (and = sorry, but that last name just ain't gonna make it today in the = "mainstream")? That debate wastes energies and monies that would be = better spent on answering the question: "How can we collect the fringe = folks and form a unified political force that can oust the current, Big = Business monsters masquerading as politicians?" Here's the note: Free = Market is nothing more than a new name for Freedom for the rich to = plunder the poor...and wage earner is a two word substitute for "slave." = Or worse, why is it that 50% of the world's population continues to = labor at an international poverty level at the same time that the = directors of the world's leading big businesses continue to increase = their wealth at an annual growth rate nearly twice that of the USA's = annual CLI (cost of living index)? =20 I don't give a good god damn about trees or oil lands or global warming; = I care about people. And the big business monsters, while they molest = the environment will do worse, they will continue to abuse people, all = those people whose labors they rely upon to build their fortunes. Pardon my ranting here, but...if you really want to keep the Alaskan = North slopes from being further plundered, or if you really give a good = god-damn about the plight of laborers in the nation, you have to = stop...repeat: STOP!!! trying to build a third or fourth party unit and = START working to gain control of one of the two major parties currently = in control in the country. =20 If you doubt my message here, examine the success of the billionaire = Ross Perot's efforts at starting his party...the big-eared ego idiot = wasted tons of greenbacks getting nowhere. So, if you are seriously interested in defeating Bush, I suggest you get = your lazy asses off your ideological pillows and start working to elect = Democrats; we may not elect one to the post of president this time, but = we need to start somewhere. And if that fringe eqo-freak Ralph Nader = can't join us in the fight...let him go his own way...alone, he'll = succeed in changing nothing; you on the other hand may actually save a = small portion of your world. Alex=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 00:05:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: August Highland Subject: bush is a plague MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bush is a plague bush is a plague - the bushes are - they are all plagues - the father the mother - the son in the white house - the son in texas - it's because they are white - why are they white? - white is pretty - THEY are not pretty - how can a plague be pretty? - the president should not be called bush either - why is he called a bush? - bushes are pretty - and they are good for you - bush is not good for me - he is not a bush - if he was a bush he would be pissed on - do you see his dog pissing on him? - i don't - and why did bush win the presidency? - is it because there are so many white people? - i am not a white person - i am jewish - i DID vote for bush though - why does a jew vote for bush? - a jew votes for bush because jews are smart and all jews knew he would win - every jew knew - the jews are also the reason that the twin towers were attacked - it's every jew's fault - including jews who are only half-jewish - who REALLY won the election was al gore of course - every single jew knows this - i didn't vote for gore though because i was FOR gore - i was sure that if i voted for gore bush would win - my plan failed - not because of me though - it's the supreme court's fault - they are all white - there is not one jew or african american on the supreme court - there is not one woman on the surpreme court - they wear make-up to look like they are not white and get dressed up to look like non-white people - but they HAVE to be white because they stole the election - how does that work? - the supreme court which is all white steals the election from the american people who are white - it makes no sense - none at all - unless americans are jews - this is why they practice christianity - only a jew would practice chritianity - is bush a jew? - his DAUGHTERS are jewish - they converted - but not their father - still i will vote for bush again - and he will get re-elected - why? - because white america is a plague and we get what we deserve - i mean YOU get what YOU deserve - I am not white - even though i DID vote for bush i have been bar-mitzvahed AND i have washed in a mikvah - still even though i have been bar-mitzvahed and have washed in a mikvah i don't know shit about judaism - that's because i am a WHITE jew - a white jew who wants bush's daughter - the hot one - the party animal - and she wants ME too - and it's not because i am drop-dead gorgeous jew and not because i am well-hung jew - i am neither - i am 40 pounds overweight and i have a small pecker - but this is what turns her on - i was shocked too!! - would the president want me for a son-in-law? - i wouldn't want HIM for a father-in-law - i don't care if he has a lot of money - i have a lot of money too! - i am a jew! - everyone knows jews are rich - it's obnoxious - hitler thought so - he thought we were a plague - if hitler thought we were a plague then we are - whatever hitler says is true - whatever bush says is true - whatever bush's daughter wants i give her - but i don't have a chance - it's because i am dead - the bushes don't want their daughter to marry someone who is dead - how could i be dead? - answer the question yourself - but baby bush has definitely got the hots for me - we have phone-sex - she fantasizes how she wants a dead white jew with a schnauzer-sized dick to fuck her- but laura the queen bitch has her on 24-hour watch - how do i know? - duh!! - i just got a call from the libyan embassy - it was from laura - laura libyan bush told me to leave her girls alone - she said her child's marriage was already arranged - it was arranged with her cousin - isn't that what white people do? - they inbreed - that's how they become president - she also laughed at my stutter - when i asked for her daughter's hand in marriage the words would not come out - she let out a shriek of laughter - because i'm dead - because i stutter - because i'm a jew - and because i'm white - laura's tone then changed and she confessed that she was a double agent working for al quaida and that she was training her daughters for the taliban - the WHITE taliban - then i heard the receiver slam down with a bang - that's when i threw my cell through the window - when my neighbor (who is white and paranoid) heard the window shatter she called the police - the officers arrived immediately and marched in through the open door of my apartment in santa monica california which is all jewish - i am writing this down right now in the back seat of their cruiser - no i am not handcuffed - why would i be? - i asked Joe and Daryl to give me a lift - YES i know both the cops - my wife is one - she is at the station - she is black - and an evangelist - and she has nipple hairs - which she does not pluck - it doesn't bother me - why would it bother me - nothing bothers me - nothing at all - in fact i love her nipple hairs - AND her anal hair - bush's daughter has a thick growth sprouting in her ass-crack - but i can't have her - it doesn't matter - whether i get to fuck his daughter or not bush will get re-elected - unless the messiah comes - then this is who i would vote for - until then i am waiting for the next suicide airstrike - i hope i am reaming my wife's ass when it happens - it's bound to happen - and when it does happen i want to be enjoying life to the fullest ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:18:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: "Sonnet: It's Better to Turn on the TV" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sonnet: It's Better to Turn on the TV It's better to turn on the TV than to curse the darkness. Beware of swarthy men (or women) carrying almanacs. Report any suspicious activity to 1-800-ACT-FAST. Resistance and refusal mean advice and consent. When you meet the Buddha on the road, arrest him. If we don't reelect Bush, the terrorists have won. All roads lead to Guantanamo, aka Gitmo. The only thing we have to terrorize is terror itself. If we reelect Bush, the winners will be the terrorists. Business art (Andy said) is the step that comes after Art. Snipers up upon the roof, corn be heavy pretty damn soon. The devil finds work for idling hands up on the deck. If one spreads butter on both sides of one's bread, one need not worry which side's better cuz there's butter on't. Hal Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 07:49:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ryan murphy Subject: chapbook exhibit--call for publishers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Poetics List, In the spring I will be curating an exhibit of poetry chapbooks at Poets House in New York. If you are a chapbook publisher, or know someone who is, I encourage you to send copies of chapbooks as well as a short paragraph (either some sort of mission statement or anecdote describing how the press got started, why it got started, etc.).The text will be included in the exhibit. The exhibit was of course inspired by Steve Clay and A Secret Location on the Lower East Side, and is intended to be a loose follow up, featuring books that have been published since 1980. It will also include some historic publications from the Poets House archives (early Adventures stuff, Tibor, Burning Deck, etc.). The exhibit will open in April and there will be a reception, reading etc. so please consider sending your books in soon. They can be mailed to Poets House (attn Ryan Murphy) 72 Spring St. New York, NY 10012. Please feel free to back channel for more information. with Best wishes for the New Year, Ryan Murphy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:22:57 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: Willie Nelson's New Song for Dennis Kucinich MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Willie Nelson to Perform New Song in Austin For Immediate Release: December 30, 2003 =20 Willie Nelson, who has endorsed Dennis Kucinich for President, and who will=20 lead a fundraising concert for Kucinich's campaign in Austin, Texas, on Jan.= 3,=20 2004, wrote a new song on Christmas that he will perform in public for the=20 first time at the Austin concert. The lyrics have not been released before=20= now: =20 What Ever Happened To Peace On Earth There's so many things going on in the world Babies dying Mothers crying How much oil is one human life worth And what ever happened to peace on earth We believe everything that they tell us They're gonna' kill us So we gotta' kill them first But I remember a commandment Thou shall not kill How much is that soldier's life worth And whatever happened to peace on earth (Bridge) And the bewildered herd is still believing Everything we've been told from our birth Hell they won't lie to me Not on my own damn TV But how much is a liars word worth And whatever happened to peace on earth So I guess it's just Do unto others before they do it to you Let's just kill em' all and let God sort em' out Is this what God wants us to do (Repeat Bridge) And the bewildered herd is still believing Everything we've been told from our birth Hell they won't lie to me Not on my own damn TV But how much is a liars word worth And whatever happened to peace on earth Now you probably won't hear this on your radio Probably not on your local TV But if there's a time, and if you're ever so inclined You can always hear it from me How much is one picker's word worth And whatever happened to peace on earth But don't confuse caring for weakness You can't put that label on me The truth is my weapon of mass protection And I believe truth sets you free (Bridge) And the bewildered herd is still believing Everything we've been told from our birth Hell they won't lie to me Not on my own damn TV But how much is a liars word worth And whatever happened to peace on earth =20 =20 =20 Kucinich has planned various events in Austin, Texas, January 2nd and 3rd,=20 including: =20 A fundraising concert at the Austin Music Hall with Kucinich Endorsers Willi= e=20 Nelson, Tim Reynolds, Michelle Shocked, and the Doobie Brothers' Pat Simmons= ,=20 along with Jim Hightower, Bonnie Raitt, Tish Hinojosa, and Michael McDonald.= =20 Following the show there will be an artist's reception at La Zona Rosa, 4th=20 St. and Rio Grande. =20 LIVE WEBCAST: The concert will be webcast live at www.kucinich.us and will=20 include live interviews throughout from Kucinich and from celebrity supporte= rs=20 in the audience. =20 8:00 p.m. Central Time Willie Nelson & Friends Concert Location: Austin Music Hall, 208 Nueces 10:30 p.m. Central Time After concert reception with celebrities and Dennis Kucinich Location: La Zona Rosa nightclub, 612 W. 4th, =BD block walk/drive from Aust= in=20 Music Hall=20 http://www.lazonarosa.com/ For more information: http://www.kucinich.us/regionalupdates/texas.php=20 For Rep. Kucinich's Schedule: http://www.kucinich.us/schedule.htm=20 Local Contacts: Deda Divine, 512-413-2219, dedabea@yahoo.com, Charlene=20 Zvolanek, 512- 495-4185 or 512-220-5307, char74@mail.utexas.edu National Contacts:=20 David Swanson 301-772-0210, cel 202-329-7847, fax 301-772-7293,=20 swanson@kucinich.us Susan Mainzer 213-840-0077, susan.mainzer@kucinich.us=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:24:15 EST Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: chapbook exhibit--call for publishers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Ryan Murphy You probably know that Randolph Healy publishes beautiful chapbooks. He published one of mine called PLUNGE in 2001. You should certainly be in touch with him at http://www.wildhoneypress.com. Sincerely Harriet Zinnes HZInnes@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:49:52 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: FW: sidereality update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please distribute widely.... -----Original Message----- From: Clayton A. Couch [mailto:sidereality@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 10:15 AM To: Managingeditor@Sidereality. Com Subject: sidereality update Dear sidereality Readers, I hope that everyone is having a wonderful December! As you all know, a new issue of sidereality is scheduled to be released in January. I expect to publish this issue -- featuring the poetry of Anyssa Kim -- on January 15th, as I'm currently in the time-consuming process of redesigning some of the webpages. In the mean time, please do make an effort to revisit the October-December issue , as the work contained therein is excellent and deserving of more attention. During the month October, we received over 100,000 hits for this issue! In addition, two reviews were added to this issue's contents in early November: Vernon Frazer's review of Ric Carfagna's e-book L@XL, and Takuya Murata's review of Chris Sawyer's chapbook Mesmeranda. In late November, six poems -- pulled from the previous four issues of sidereality -- were nominated for 2003 Pushcart Prizes: "What Watches" by Khadijah Queen, "Enigma " by Jonathan Minton, "Rain After a Dry Spell" by Kirby Wright, "The After-Death History of My Mother" by Sandy McIntosh, "Vertigo to Eros" by Kristy Odelius, "Death of a Girl I Never Knew in Passing" by Sirrus Poe. Although there were several other sidereality poems that I would liked to have nominated, the Pushcart only takes six pieces per calendar year from each publication, unfortunately. Finally, if you've recently submitted work to sidereality, please bear in mind that response times will be slow until December 29th. Best wishes, Clayton ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Clayton A. Couch Managing Editor, sidereality managingeditor@sidereality.com http://www.sidereality.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- If you would prefer not to receive any further updates, or if you feel that you have received this message in error, please contact sidereality at managingeditor@sidereality.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:58:03 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: LUNA Magazine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LUNA Magazine is LIVE Come visit LUNA's new website at www.lunamagazine.org See why Small Press Review hailed LUNA as "One of the best literary journals=20 today!" Find out how you can support the magazine by becoming a Patron or a=20 Subscriber. Read samples from contributors of past issues. Find out how you=20 can submit your own work. Read about the editors and their current projects. The arts are suffering but you can make a difference! Consider giving a gift=20 subscription or becoming a Patron. LUNA magazine provides a valuable space=20 for underrepresented writers and translators from all over the world. No other magazine provides such considerable space for diversity. Here's what people are saying about LUNA: "Bravo on LUNA! A beautiful and thrilling journal!"=97Naomi Shihab Nye "What a fantastic journal-stuffed with rich treats like a pinata."=97Eleanor=20 Wilner "LUNA is a thing of beauty."=97Greg Pape "A wonderful collection of poems from poets the world over."=97Roberta Hill "There are so many fine poems and poets here and the work is strong=20 throughout."=97George Kalamaras " LUNA is certainly among the best new poetry magazines I've ever=20 seen."=97Charles Guenther "Sl=E0inte mh=F2r agad!" (SLAHN-tchuh VORR AH-kut!) "Great health to you!" Assistant Editor/Webmaster -Sean Mclain Brown _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:11:10 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aaron Belz Subject: readings @ city museum - halftime report MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Friends, It has been a busy and strange little autumn for me, hosting 11 poets in what has turned out to be a carnival side-show of a reading series (http://belz.net/readings), with pinball ding-dongs and kids screaming within earshot. Beatnik Bob's Theater is a dimly lit venue, with full ashtrays atop dirty café tables and miscellaneous people drifting in and out. The stage is rickety, the microphone is from the 50's, and the PA system is basically a stereo with a soundboard sitting on top of it. This series has a bit of a garage-band atmosphere, and I don't entirely mind that. A lovely write-up graces the newest issue of St. Louis Magazine -- http://www.belz.net/readings/stlmag.html The original challenge was to give oral literature some street currency, let it stand for itself in a non-sanctuarial environment (non-coffee shop, non-bookstore, non-library, non-academic), in a tough Saturday night time slot, at a cost of $5. The question was: Is poetry able to compete, or does it need the props it has come to expect? And the answer so far has been: oh gosh, it's hard to tell. Let's keep pressing forward and see what develops. Although I have been discouraged with technical difficulties (esp at Hess/Gudding ), noisiness of the venue (esp at Seely/Robinson/Greenberg), and smallish crowds, I have been equally encouraged by responses I have received from individuals --- one person emailed me: "The best part about the reading was the way the poets used the surrounding sounds of the City Museum to create readings that were very musical. The City Museum is a place of steady beat. While I closed my eyes and listened, I could always feel a steady pulse, delivered in music playing in some part of the building, or the clashes and clangs of kids playing in MonstroCity. I assumed the poets would become quickly annoyed with the background sounds and try to speak over them. However, both poets used the 'music' around them to emphasize their works. The first poet almost sounded like a rap artist free-styling to random city beats." And Jonathan Mayhew blogged thus: "Kari Edwards at the City Museum in STL on Saturday, reading with local talent Jarek Steele, the latter accompanied by numerous friends and well-wishers, even a younger sister. I bought a copy of Kari's Iduma, with a wonderfully busy graphic design and some trenchant and memorable poems--one, a near faithful copy of a Dept. of Justice document, was frightening and hilarious at the same time. I enjoyed meeting her, since she is both funny and warm. (I haven't been to a reading this good since ... the last reading I went to at the City Museum a few months ago.) "J. Steele, who works at Left Bank Books, read an effective autobiographical prose piece about growing up male in an ostensibly female body. I didn't get a complete sense of him as a poet, since he didn't read very many poems, but his reading worked well thematically with Kari's more indeterminate gender bending. "Aaron Belz, organizer of the series, read a poem by Arielle Greenberg, who is coming next month. There were fewer technical glitches this time--only a door propped against a door-frame that came down a few times for some welcome comic relief. There were no injuries." My feeling is, if Readings @ City Museum actually does something different, casts literature in an alternative light, or makes a real connection with a handful of people, it's doing something important. Something that, pardon me, the stiff, obligatory, wine-and-cheese MFA reading doesn't generally accomplish. There is no power brokerage at the City Museum; only a mad, Willy-Wonkaesque atmosphere. There are no laurelled literati or cloying introductions or coteries of loyal followers clutching books to be signed. Rather, there is a slate of working poets, a bevy of whomever the cat happened to drag in on that particular night, me at the back trying not to go crazy -- and all of us swept into the Cabin Inn afterwards. We are looking forward to the January 10 reading, featuring Dale Smith and Kent Johnson. Kent is pissed about a recent article in "Believer," and rightly so. Dale will fly in from Texas, ready with his own unique sense of language and place. In upcoming months we are pleased to also present -- February 7 - Kerri Sonnenberg & Joel Felix March 6 - Tsipi Keller & Jane Delynn April 3 - Mary Jo Bang & Susan Schultz May 1 - Kristy Odelius, William Allegrezza, Garin Cycholl, & Chris Glomski In closing, a petition: if you are wondering whether or not to come support Readings @ City Museum, please just come on down. It has been a friendly party thus far. And if you're wondering whether to spam your entire address book to let them know about the series-- go right ahead and do that. Although I am serenely confident in the readers we have lined up and increasingly confident in the venue (future readings may be held in St. George's Chamber, a beautiful oblong room full of art deco prints), I am less confident in my own ability to appease the gods of publicity. I don't know what they want or how to get their attention. Viva la revolución, Aaron Belz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:56:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: Frequency Series no longer very frequent at all Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear folks, Many of you have recently asked about the spring schedule for the Frequency Series at Shortwave. I regret to announce that the final Frequency reading was held on December 14 and that we do not plan to continue the series into the spring. We have had a lovely time--Daniel and Richard and myself, and all of the readers, regulars, and guests--but we've outgrown our space and our various schedules are more complicated these days. The press continues to grow (yay!) and the new staffers and interns use the bookstore floor as much-needed office space, which makes regular events difficult. We've got a few Shortwave non-Frequency events on the current calendar, but these too will taper off. BUT, we WILL continue to entertain you from the stage of the Bowery Poetry Club (http://www.bowerypoetry.com). Apologies if I have not replied personally to your request or inquiry regarding the series! As always, you'll find our full schedule of nationwide and NYC events at http://www.softskull.com (click EVENTS). Thanks again to all of you who came out to read or listen of have a pint. It's been swell. Best, Shanna _____________________________ Shanna Compton Associate Publisher Soft Skull Press 71 Bond Street Brooklyn, NY 11217 (718) 643-1599 http://www.softskull.com http://www.shannacompton.com/frequency.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:22:35 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: Fw: Tell Nader to stop NOW -- Tell the Democrats to give us a reason MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Alexander, I think another thing that Republicans have decided on is the strategy of not being too burningly sarcastic toward the people who are working with them. I think this kind of righteous sarcasm has permeated the left and has alienated many people. I for one am too shy and timid to answer this sort of thing in person, but basically don't wish to work with overly zealous activists without a sense of humor much any longer. It seems to me that the Republicans are more polite and forgiving within their fragile coalition. I always think of Shakespeare when I think of politics -- Henry IV and Vth are unified by the end, while Hotspur's faction has fallen into a fratricidal bewilderment of mixed communication and one-upmanship as well as ad hominem attacks and so on. There are many independent groups within the democratic left -- black activists, feminist activists, ecological activists, and so on, and they often distrust one another. The Republicans have lower numbers according to your chart, but I sense they are more unified. Remember Henry Vth in France. They destroyed the French because they were unified even though outnumbered ten to one. There are numerous examples of this -- the Finnish fought Stalin's tank divisions to a draw even though they were outnumbered 50 to 1. This is because they were unified and actually loved one another as brothers. The Finnish leader was Gustav Mannerheim, and he wrote, "The strength of a small country lies in its unity." We speak so much about diversity, but I don't think there is any longer anything that unifies that diversity. We are now no longer even Americans, but hyphenated thises and thats. I sense that many democratic factions see other aspects of the group as at best a hindrance, and at worst something to destroy when the revolution's over. The Republicans may therefore have an advantage in that sense: they still see themselves as Americans. Your idea of unification within the one functioning existing party is a good one, though I doubt if it will happen. There's too much ill will, and the style has moved more and more to a merciless shrill bear-baiting, it seems. Even the presidential candidates of the democratic party have fallen into this rhetorical style. It reminds me of Hotspur and Glendower, or the French in H5. I could be wrong, it's just my perception. When I remember how the green party people that I've met speak of democrats, or anybody who thinks about anything in even a slightly different way from how they do, I think the possibility of a coalition is fleeting. The rhetorical style to recapture is Paul Simon's: simple, inclusive, non-threatening, humble, and focused on specific concrete results. Your style seems to still be in that manner, Alex. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:20:43 +0100 Reply-To: magee@uni.lodz.pl Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Magee Subject: Home Movie MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The day-in-the-life of the city sympathies the equivalent of a default value to direct (re-direct) the representation you make a mistake when you stake that analogy as orientation to exploded facing frames: Esther Shub (Strike, 1925) Bill Brand (Coalfields, 1984) what has already happened when the airstrikes happen and you think you see them: did you catch that clip of the Movie Camera Without A Man "In the recounting, we hear what someone says about an event that has long since happened while we see 'authentic' archived images of the event itself. Does this strategy not confer greater truth-value on the spoken word than it deserves? "Is the spoken word not a re-enactment in its own right, an interpretation aided by hindsight and motivated by an implicit point of view shaped over time? Testimony and commentary give priority less to what happened than to what we now know? The camera can give you "the feeling of being there." The apparatus detached from the invisible body and the matter of authenticity is finally resolved. The authenticating location heightens credibility. Empty your clip until ordered otherwise. The gap between the moment and its capture is up for grabs. How can it be organized within a single controlling frame. Conventions of all kinds for one kind of imaginary, the motivated subjectivity of the authoring of affect. The reality-effect, those accused and those accusing others without addressing the peculiarity of the camera on its own, put on display in the distance we inhabit That captivating glimpse of sustained Chance, being in the right place at the right time and the state of mind it induces (anything can happen) the rhythm of physical motion without the mind Believe you me, the enunciator, the one that "voices" what you will see and hear was really there the uncut footage freed the image from its moorings as definitive as surveillance records and that includes not a single spoken word (Brakhage's tremulous hand-held camera) the pleasure of the viewer in the unexpected (the American Direct Cinema School) words have drifted apart from their body parts The technical potential of the apparatus if what the camera saw was 'raw' "On the Road to the Real Nitty Gritty" (Film Quarterly, Summer, 1964) "If the material was not spontaneous, they said, how could it be true?" "a piece of 'authentication' inserted into the rhetoric that sustains its force as the legitimate referential weight" a tradition of 'meeting the reality of the country' did you find yourself looking away from what was coming from the screen that was life captured in a roll the camera, uncontrolled hypobololemaioi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:20:16 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: coby tucker Subject: Re: chapbook exhibit--call for publishers In-Reply-To: <20031230154908.8826.qmail@web60401.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The DWP rips out the insides of paperback books and puts an author's stuff in there. Supposedly, authors are encouraged to do the same thing on their own and they can list the DWP as their publisher. A pretty wild group. Also, POG in Tucson once put out a chapbook made out of the author's denim blue jeans. I still have that book. Coby --- ryan murphy wrote: > Dear Poetics List, > > In the spring I will be curating an exhibit of > poetry chapbooks at Poets House in New York. If you > are a chapbook publisher, or know someone who is, I > encourage you to send copies of chapbooks as well as > a short paragraph (either some sort of mission > statement or anecdote describing how the press got > started, why it got started, etc.).The text will be > included in the exhibit. The exhibit was of course > inspired by Steve Clay and A Secret Location on the > Lower East Side, and is intended to be a loose > follow up, featuring books that have been published > since 1980. It will also include some historic > publications from the Poets House archives (early > Adventures stuff, Tibor, Burning Deck, etc.). The > exhibit will open in April and there will be a > reception, reading etc. so please consider sending > your books in soon. They can be mailed to Poets > House (attn Ryan Murphy) 72 Spring St. New York, NY > 10012. > > Please feel free to back channel for more > information. > > with Best wishes for the New Year, > > Ryan Murphy > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:20:24 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: "Continuing Revelation," Installation & Meeting in D.C. Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =B3Continuing Revelation,=B2 Installation and Meeting in Washington, D.C. (Gothics News Service, December 29, 2003) The Sidwell Friends School =AD which is normally closed during the Christmas vacation =AD is the Meeting site for what many participants now consider a powerful installation and public gathering to honor and grieve for the dead and living victims of the on-going war in Iraq. Entitled =B3Continuing Revelation,=B2 the private Quaker School has invited neighbors, residents and visitors to Washington to a unique, candlelight vigil that takes place each night in the campus=B9 basketball gymnasium. There is no admission charge. People may either bring a candle of their choice, or pick up a free one with a Installation Meeting brochure at the entrance ticket office. As one enters the darkened gym, a person dressed in a luminous white gown lights the candle before each person proceeds in a slow moving line around the edges of the full basketball court. On a typica= l evening, several hundred people hold up their candles, quietly walk, pause and gaze while the combined candle flames illuminate and cast long shadows on to a haunting series of tall, multiple-column stacks of black and white plastic bags - some of them towering close to the building=B9s steel rafter beams =AD each of the combined stacks hovering over multi-colored piles of gunnysacks that fill the entire gym floor. Looking closely, one can see four black, diagonally placed and relatively small columns of over 500 black bags rise from the =B3tip-off=B2 circle at the court=B9s center. A Friends brochure - printed for the installation - indicates that these stacks =AD as of December 29 - represent the number of American and Coalition troops killed in either hostile or so-called =B3non-combat=B2 situations, as well as over 50 suicides. Surrounding the four stacks, are a series of quite tall columns of white plastic bags, radiating out from the center, each of them cumulatively met to represent the 9000 plus wounded in combat, the injured and those made too sick to continue, including the over 500 psychiatric casualties. Rising from the floor spaces between the columns =AD and covering the entire length and width of the court. In stunning contrast to white and black columns, the strokes of the candle lights illuminate interwoven, tall piles of misshapen gunnysacks covered and sewn with diverse kinds and colors of Iraqi cloth to represent diversity and ages of the estimated more than 10,000 civilians and soldiers who have died of gunshots, artillery fire, mines and bombs during the last seven months. The cloth patches vary from green uniforms, black bandanas, dark business suits, bright blue, yellow, red and white from dresses and children=B9s clothes, and oil covered worker=B9s trousers. The crumpled character of the gunnysacks make it look as though the majority of the now dead were caught off-guard, accidents of chance rather than direct combat. The brochure apologizes for not having space to represent the yet to be fully estimated, but certainly much larger number o= f Iraqi wounded and the psychologically scarred still living within the country, as well as the lack of adequate space to represent United Nations and other expatriate civilian deaths. After proceeding in absolute silence around the edges of the court, many people rise to fill the surrounding bleachers to continue to observe what i= s clearly a memorial occasion and a space of great sadness for the gathered. Indeed one hears an occasional muted sob and the frequent patting of the eyes with tissues. Other than the brochure=B9s various estimated figures on all the dead and wounded =AD no one at the School gym is available for public comment and Sidwell=B9s administrative offices are closed for the Holidays. The person handing out the candles and brochures quietly points to the installation=B9s title, =B3Continuing Revelation=B2, which is also, incidentally, a mainstay of Quaker Meeting practice. Those leaving the campus preferred not to talk about their experience, apparently too moved or shaken to want to further publicly reveal their thoughts on this seemingly unique occasion within the Nation.=20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:36:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: 30th Annual New Year's Day Marathon Reading Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable After a long New Year=B9s Eve spent alone with a couple bottles of champagne and some ball dropping on the tube, what else are ya gonna do to cheer yourself up but attend in all your glory the unprecedented next-day festivities?? Plus, think of all the food, drink, books, and kissing booths= ! <--huh? THE POETRY PROJECT=B9S 30TH ANNUAL NEW YEAR=B9S DAY MARATHON READING IS THIS THURSDAY, JANUARY 1, 2004 FROM 2 PM TO 2 AM $15, $12 students/seniors, $10 members Featuring the following poets, performers and musicians: Elinor Nauen, Kazim Ali, Latasha Diggs, Jordan Davis, Joe Elliot, Mac Wellman, Maggie Nelson, Rich O=B9Russa, Joel Lewis, Kimberly Lyons, Ed Friedman, Jo Ann Wasserman, Tonya Foster, Foamola, Jaqueline Waters, Veronica Corpuz, Ange Mlinko, Don Yorty, David Cameron, Marcella Durand, Prageeta Sharma, Dale Sherrard, Tom Savage, Kristin Prevallet, Michael Lydon, Jenny Smith, Peter Bushyeager, Marc Ribot, Bob Hershon, Gary Sulliva= n & Nada Gordon, Murat Nemet-Nejat, Donna Brook, Alan Davies, Wanda Phipps, Dan Bouchard, Lila Zemborain, Bob Rosenthal, Lisa Jarnot, David Henderson, Harris Schiff, Erica Kaufman, Philip Glass, Sally Silvers, Ted Greenwald, Vernon Reid, Christopher Stackhouse, Gillian McCain, Luis Francia, Anne Tardos, Chris Martin, Patricia Spears Jones, Bruce Andrews, Eddie Bell, Jim Neu & Deborah Auer, Mitch Highfill, David Mills, Chris Rael, Jackson Mac Low, Kimiko Hahn, E. Tracy Grinell, Rodrigo Toscano, Sharon Mesmer, Denize Lauture, Emily XYZ, Ann Lauterbach, Willie Perdomo, Taylor Mead, Rebecca Moore, Reg E. Gaines, Africa Wayne, Maggie Dubris, Dana Bryant, Bill Kushner, Reno, Keith Roach, John Godfrey, Maggie Estep, Tuli Kupferberg, Tony Towle, Erica Hunt, Hal Sirowitz, John S. Hall, Judith Malina & Hanon Reznikov, Marty Ehrlich, Penny Arcade, Todd Colby, Yoshiko Chuma, Edmund Berrigan, Bob Holman, Barbara Barg, Michael Brownstein, Anne Waldman, Steve= n Taylor, Elliot Sharp, Charles Bernstein, Robbie McCauley, Nick Zedd, Rev. Pedro Pietri, Eileen Myles, Douglas Dunn, Regie Cabico, Edwin Torres, Olive= r Ray, Patti Smith, Lenny Kaye, Brenda Coultas, John Giorno, Janet Hamill, Paul Violi, Drew Gardner, Simon Pettet, Vicki Hudspith, Elizabeth Reddin, Merry Fortune, Brendan Lorber, Lee Ann Brown, Eugene Ostashevsky, Mariana Ruiz-Firmat, Aaron Kunin, Katie Degentesh, Daniel Nester, Douglas Rothschild, Greg Fuchs, Karen Weiser, MacGregor Card, C.A. Conrad, Cole Heinowitz, Brian Kim Stefans, Cliff Fyman, Rachel Levitsky, David Vogen, John Coletti, Mike Marcinkowski, Matvei Yankelevich, Anna Moschovakis, Jim Behrle, Miles Champion, Corina Copp, and Anselm Berrigan =20 =20 Bring your loved ones... And have a happy New Year! (bells, whistles) The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Normal Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in free to all regular readings). Marathon Admission is $15, $12 for students/seniors and $10 for members. We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:13:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Man trapped under mountain of books, papers Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Man trapped under mountain of books, papers Tuesday, December 30, 2003 Posted: 9:10 AM EST (1410 GMT) NEW YORK (AP) -- A man who says he sells books and magazines on the street was rescued after being trapped for two days under a mountain of reading material in his apartment. Patrice Moore, 43, had apparently been standing up when the books, catalogs, mail and newspapers swamped him on Saturday. Firefighters and neighbors rescued Moore on Monday afternoon and he was hospitalized in stable condition Tuesday morning with leg injuries. "I didn't think I was gonna get out," Moore told the New York Post, adding that he called for help repeatedly. His landlord discovered him Monday after coming to the apartment to give Moore a small loan and heard a strange voice inside. The landlord pried the door open with a crowbar, found Moore trapped and alerted the fire department. The apartment was stuffed from wall to wall and floor to ceiling with stacks of paper. Emergency workers and neighbors dug through the debris to reach Moore, filling 50 garbage bags with paper. He was freed about a half hour later, said Fire Department spokesman Paul Iannizzotto. Moore, a former mailroom clerk now receiving public assistance, said he collected books and magazines for more than 10 years and earned money by selling them on the street. The incident recalled the legendary case of the Collyer brothers, who in 1947 were discovered dead in their house in Harlem after one of them became trapped under a pile of papers and the other died of starvation. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:20:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: remnants of ta-hien in 589 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII remnants of ta-hien in 589 again i come into for here down on acerage tha will carry this farterthan you are down the river. fori have coe for th truth ad only the trt. i am on this journey to bringback the sutras. you are mountans advalleys and youareall around. i will be thre you wil see. again i come into for here down on acerage tha will carry this farterthan you are down the river. fori have coe for th truth ad only the trt. i am on this journey to bringback the sutras. you are mountans advalleys and youareall around. i will be thre you wil see. shall guarantee our troth. - Your forest is blasphemy unto the Lord. - Your sea shall convert in truth and not in false demand? rue that the sea will be the goal, dagerus sea tat will carry ad swap but such ecods as do survive we wll bring to you through stupa and tope throu mantra and mandaa and all forms architectural therin oly to be discarded . oftetrut. come into for here down on acerage tha will carry this farterthan you are down the river. fori have coe for th truth ad only the trt. i am on this journey to bringback the sutras. you are mountans advalleys and youareall around. i will be thre you wil see. ... seals burn me upon the sea of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order buddha is your language... buddha is your language... of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order is written far too many 24 times! of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order calls forth litigation , hungered, making things. above the slaves, of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order is , 015], true that the sea will be the goal, dagerus sea tat will carry ad swap but such ecods as do survive we wll bring to you through stupa and tope throu mantra and mandaa and all forms architectural therin oly to be discarded . oftetrut. ... is buddha on black stone, it's ... goats of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order 589 - the beginning of writing. or string My buddha is your language... of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order is written far too many 24 times of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order calls forth litigation , hungered, making things. above the slaves, of thetruth the semones i the forest. ofthe truth thesermos in the deer garden. of the truth al and othe sermos and adoitios and rules of te order is , 015], true that the sea will be the goal, dagerus sea tat will carry ad swap but such ecods as do survive we wll bring to you through stupa and tope throu mantra and mandaa and all forms architectural therin oly to be discarded . oftetrut. ... is buddha on black stone, it's _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:21:50 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: happy new year. 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......................................................... ....eve ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:25:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Frank Subject: Philly Sound Feature: Linh Dinh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out the Linh Dinh issue: http://phillysound.blogspot.com Have a great New Year, Frank Sherlock ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:43:12 -0800 Reply-To: Ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: Selah7 http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html Subject: January NUYORICAN POETS =?iso-8859-1?Q?CAF=C9?= Events: check 'em out! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Y-E-S! We're bringing in another New Year despite the state of the right wing. We're still cognizant of the Beauty of Ourselves that comes to us as Human Difference. However you choose to count, depending on what you've read: It's now the Year 6004 given the estimated moment when the one we call Menes had reunited Upper and Lower Egypt. & in the same breath Jan. 22 will begin the Year 4702 at least, according to the Chinese calendar. & yes, it's also the Year 5764 estimatedly from the time of Abraham. & it's even the Year 2003 (give or take four years) the generally accepted estimated year since the birth of Jesus & it is the Year 1424 given as the Hijjra; the moment of Mohammed's flight to Medina finally This January 1, 2004 Also marks the 200th Year Since the Haitian Revolution ...However you wish to read any of this: HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR! ======= & while we're at it... Great Things Are Happening in Brooklyn & throughout the City! ======= (Program 1) To commemorate Haiti's Own Bi-Centennial Sistas' Place cordially invites you to join us on Sunday, January 4, 2004 beginning at 4pm as we welcome to Brooklyn the Consul General of Haiti Mr. Harry Fouche as Guest of Honor featuring The Jazzoets with Louis Reyes Rivera Ahmed Abdullah, Atiba Kwabena Ngoma & YOU! 1st & 3rd Sundays Open Mic ======= SPECIAL NOTE: As many of you may know by now Nuyorican Poet Pedro Pietri is currently in desperate need of special therapy he can't get in the U.S. and must go to Mexico for... Donations can be made to THE PEDRO PIETRI HEALTH BENEFIT FUND c/o Nuyorican Poets Café P.O. Box 20794 New York, NY 10009 ======= Meanwhile,... The Friends of Pedro Pietri request your presence at the following EMERGENCY POETRY, MUSIC & DANCE FUNDRAISERS for EL REVERENDO PEDRO PIETRI: (Program 2) Sunday, January 4, 2004 BOWERY POETRY CLUB 308 Bowery (btwn. Bleecker & Houston) from 12 Noon to 4:00pm ======= (Program 3) Tuesday, January 6, 2004 THE NUYORICAN POETS CAFÉ 236 East 3rd StreetÝ(btwn Avenues B & C) from 7:00 to 9:00pm ======= (Program 4) Wednesday, January Ý21, 2004 THE NUYORICAN POETS CAFÉ 236 East 3rd Street (btwn Avenues B & C) from 7:00 to 9:00pm ======= (Program 5) Thursday, February Ý12, 2004 TALLER BORICUAÝ (aka Julia de Burgos Cultural Center) 1680 Lexington Avenue (SW corner of East 106th St. & Lexington Ave.) from 7:00pm to 12 Midnight ======= PLUS we're still kicking it with... (Program 6) 1st & 3rd Saturdays Writers' Workshop with Louis Reyes Rivera Poetry, Fiction, Nonfiction, Essays Basics & Advanced Saturday, January 3, 2003 12 Noon ======= (Program 7) Saturday Night Jazz @ Sistas' presents Masters of the Music Series featuring Gary Bartz & Friends Saturday, January 3, 2003 with two sets, at 9 and 10:30pm ======= Sistas' Place 456 Nostrand Ave. (at Nostrand & Jefferson) Take the 'A' train to Brooklyn for information: 718 398 1766 ======= A website to check out: nathanielturner.com ======= Tune In To WBAI (99.5 FM) Thursdays @ 2pm Louis Reyes Rivera hosting PERSPECTIVE (where art & politic meet) On the internet: www.WBAI.org [Please be advised that to secure internet access to PERSPECTIVE tune in before 1:45pm. Phonelines Crowded!] Contact: Shamal Books, GPO Box 16, NYC 10116 Louisreyesrivera@aol.com -- - ___ Stay Strong "Peace sells but who's buying?" Megadeth "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam" --HellRazah http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/ http://loudandoffensive.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:59:08 -0500 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Niedecker review Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An excellent review of Lorine Niedecker in today's Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/magazine/daily/7602366.htm Ron ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:32:08 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: ambifootrix In-Reply-To: <000001c3cfae$a80cdbe0$6501a8c0@Dell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ambifootrix approximeeting the finer details out when axis of weasel has a=20 character named after bluejacking from one Bluetooth-enabled handset=20 to another face person with an attractive car-rassment - according to=20 thoose cheese-eating surrender monkey=92s distaste for Chelsea tractors=20= Chelsea Football Club un-posh tasteies (eg fake coalition of the=20 willing). as for cohlinisation but pronouncing it complete Horlicks the=20= "dodgy dossier," criminal invader enemies - data smog is too much=20 de-Baathification for a single bullet theory desk monkey but rarer to=20= har never been seen other than in that dodgy dossier embed by emotional=20= hijack syndrome fauxmosexual flash mobs back home at their flatpack=20 embassies ready to deploy a short notice trouble spot anywhere in the=20 world for freedom fries and gallery zombies all seemingly oblivious to=20= the Governator=92s hammer time saying - "look out, it's hammer time."=20= so intexicated kinetic and going kinetic the Kippers Mark 7 and 8=20 Mammal Marine Systems mere doggereled according to a metrocentric=20 current metrosexual moab as Biblical associates seeking OBE-sity=20 identified US Defence phishers, passwords and PINs; political pawns in=20= how trying to sign a poxy morons who had no rate tart from one=20 interest-free offer recreational assistant roadmap for peace in the=20 Middle Eastto safety cameras self-dating to masturbating, according to=20= self-styled sexed-up shock and awe simultaneitous Sitcom of ski-ing=20 sneer television programmes like non-confrontational tipping points the=20= moment total politics trilogites unknown unknowns vertically enveloping=20= whatever response to yellow bitsZ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:39:41 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: lying back to watch everything careen Comments: cc: "arc.hive" <_arc.hive_@lm.va.com.au>, jen berry , Ron Conn , cyberculture , Kathryn Dean-Dielman , karen stoic lemley , underground poetry , naked readings , Renee , rhizome , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Everything is already perfect: I walked home from work last night in the cold, skimming stoned and worried over you across the flimsiest crystalline flesh of a sky, leaving behind dodging stars the wet trail of my tongue so I wouldn't lose myself, dying with each step closer to home. On the way I inhale, and night air shapes my lungs to fit. The body is social, signed with misgiving. Coat it with cool tar and winter tourniquet and still it moves, the only thing visible to cars flowing through Cooper Foster. In my head I tie flowers together of acrylic-crinkled chassis, hand each spinning bud to you. You, however, prefer quicker food: light, heat, Guinness, laughter. You're always lying back to watch everything careen on Cooper Foster; but you're still in love with something you can't see. I think of you perfect, like these stars. I am a performance. ===== This is as useful as a doll.--Gertrude Stein Poem of the Day:http://www.lewislacook.com/POD/index.php associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:44:58 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: one of jimpunk's blogs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://544x378.free.fr/(WebTV)/ one of jimpunk's blogs...thought i'd post here to, ahem, quench some of your blog-thirst...i know ho the holidays can dehydrate you... This is as useful as a doll.--Gertrude Stein Poem of the Day:http://www.lewislacook.com/POD/index.php associate editor, _sidereality http://www.sidereality.com/ -------- http://www.lewislacook.com/ tubulence artist studio: http://turbulence.org/studios/lacook/index.html --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:58:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: shanna compton Subject: New Year's poem: Ecstasy for Guy Lombardo Comments: To: shanna@shannacompton.com Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ecstasy for Guy Lombardo* It=B9s a midnight party countdown baby the old lady sang in the corner Robert Burns** rankled his head complaining that=B9s not how it goes and two drummer= s with a girl a piece and a bottle of Scotch tuned up with the cracker guitarist for the Love Boat theme seems like every Canadian you hear about these days is famous from twenty-one hits to one glorious fragment the musicians ranked themselves on stage and slipped through some minor changes while the girls glossed their lips and said we booked these extensions a month in advance twirling their not-their hair into knots after the thirteenth song he and she are near famous near fatal and veer to avoid disabled crash with a broken arm a smashed glass a ciggie burned through first brush with the cops the wisecrackery submentionable music the sweetes= t this side of next holiday plans to be televised with muggings n=B9 stabbings and champagne returns to old Bob Burns who mustered the kindness cup is missing its kissing and the old lady sang the song that nobody knows as the lusty striptease of dawn wound down suburban the bikers gunned it the mufflers drilled erectness undoes indirectness and the assbackward drumbeater flustered boly fluck now grab a squeeze and let=B9s get going whatever=B9s for breakfast it bettah have bacon From BOOG City, December 2003. * http://www.dotydocs.com/audio/lombardo.wav ** http://www.robertburns.org/encyclopedia/AuldLangSyne.5.html Happy New Year! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:08:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Blog of the Year In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi all, it's year-end time, and thought i'd try and start another one of those what you liked this past year threads. so, my blog of the year: Katie Degentesh's Bloggedy Blog Blog http://katied.blogspot.com/ for me it isn't even close. i know katie, broke bread and drunk with her in poetry packs a few times over the past three years since she's moved to new york city, but i don't really know her at all. but this blog shows me her journalistic eye for detail and smart-aleckedy-ness i've seen at times, all in a nice here's a story i wanna share with you feel. And, and here's the key, she barely writes in it so you never get bored of her. She posted something three days ago, but before that it had been more than a month since her last post. I check it daily, have my cursor in the close window box, and click away when i see the same old entry appear, a bit disappointed. But, on a day like today, when a new to me entry appeared, it's a quite wonderful day. happy new year all. as ever, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:17:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Kristeva query In-Reply-To: <1072894098.3ff31092e0a4c@boogcity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey Folks--I'm afraid I'm not all that up on my Kristeva these days. Can anyone tell me where she talks about the problem of a "destroyed" language? Thanks, Steve ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:49:38 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Josh Robinson Subject: Poetry Summit 9th to 11th January [next week] (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:02:54 +0000 Subject: Poetry Summit 9th to 11th January [next week] Ladies and Gentlemen, And finally the running order is ready. The Poetry Summit held at the University of Cambridge will commence as follows. The Friday evening sessio= n will begin at 7.30 in the Bateman Auditorium, Gonville & Caius College. Fro= m then on the event will be held in Keynes Hall and the Rylands Room, King's College. Furth details of the event are below the timetable,including trave= l and all that, and should any one need further information, please contact Sam Ladkin at s.ladkin@virgin.net or 07919991922. Changes to the below will be posted on the website: www.verot.net/poetry/ And a happy New Year to all. Yours truly, Sam Ladkin An International Weekend Festival of poetry readings and papers from some o= f the leading innovative and avant-garde poets from the UK, US and France. www.verot.net/poetry/ Friday 9th to Sunday 11th JANUARY 2004 at The University of Cambridge TIMETABLE Friday 7.30 (Bateman Auditorium, Gonville & Caius College) Drew Milne, Tim Morris // Lisa Robertson Saturday 12.00 (Keynes Hall, King's College) Stuart Calton, Tom Jones // Deirdre Kovac, Susan Wheeler Saturday 3.30 Papers: Peter Middleton, Robin Purves, Robert Potts Saturday 6.00 Jeff Hilson, Sean Bonney // Jerome Game, Keston Sutherland Saturday 9.00 Dell Olsen, Andrea Brady // Stephen Rodefer, Sunday 12.00 Mark Mendoza, Marianne Morris // Leo Mellor, Helen Macdonald Sunday 3.30 Papers: Sean Bonney, Andrew Duncan, Ben Watson Sunday 6.00 Lee Ann Brown, D.S. Marriott // Rod Smith, Heather Fuller Sunday 9.00 Maggie O=B9Sullivan, Chris Goode // Marjorie Welish __________________________________________________ Weekend tickets: =A325/20 (concessions) or =A33/2.50 a session, available o= n the door. Travel: Cambridge is 45 minutes from King's Cross, London by train. Caius College is on Trinity Street in the centre of Cambridge. Just follow the tourist trail from the station down Station Road, right onto Hills Road int= o town, then ask someone, a thousand streets make a mess of simple instructions, but it's not far. Twenty minutes to half an hour walk depending on average gait. There's a map of cambridge at: http://www.cam.ac.uk/map/v3/drawmap.cgi?mp=3Dmain;xx=3D1900;yy=3D1040;gf=3D= jpg and a street search and stuff here. http://www.cam.ac.uk/map/ Last trains from Cambridge to London are just after 11.30 on Friday and Saturday. On Sunday the last train is at 11.01 p.m. We promise to be done i= n time for a mad dash to the station. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:10:26 -0500 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: above/ground press 2004 subscriptions Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year for STANZAS, chapbooks, asides + broadsheets. (in Canada, $30 Can, outside, $30 US) Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, rob mclennan, Daniel f. Bradley, donato mancini, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Meredith Quartermain, Larry Sawyer, Rob Budde & others. (trades with other chapbook presses welcome. inquire!) Payable to rob mclennan, c/o 858 Somerset Street West, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 6r7. catalog online at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan also, recent & forthcoming broadsheets by Artie Gold, Steven Heighton, rob mclennan, Meredith Quartermain, meghan jackson, George Bowering, Lisa Samuels, Suzanne Zelazo, Max Middle, Jon Paul Fiorentino, Claudia Lapp, etc. if you send an s.a.s.e. (#10 envelope) i can mail any four (or a random selection). if you send larger, i can send more. above/ground press - poetry books that'll blow yr colon (since 1993) ============= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...8th coll'n - red earth (Black Moss) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:11:05 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab Subject: FW: GRANTS: international artist residency in toronto MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>GRANTS: international artist residency in toronto ======================================== CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS GIBRALTAR POINT INTERNATIONAL ARTIST RESIDENCY PROGRAM JUNE 2004 TERM: JUNE 1 - 30, 2004 DEADLINE FOR APPLICATIONS: MARCH 4, 2004 by 4:00 P.M. The Gibraltar Point Residency Program provides professional artists with a subsidized opportunity to live and work on Toronto Island (Toronto, Canada) for one month. The program is open to Canadian and International artists who are engaged in the research or creation of work. It is designed to provide participants with time to think, create and experiment in the diverse community at The Gibraltar Point Centre for the Arts. Participants receive accommodation, a private work studio and all meals at no cost. Artists are responsible for their own travel, materials and all personal expenses. International artists are responsible for making all visa-related arrangements and must provide proof of their own medical insurance coverage for the period of their stay at Gibraltar Point no later than May 1st, 2004. Gibraltar Point Centre for the Arts is a unique facility operated by Artscape. The 30,000 square foot building provides permanent studio space to more than a dozen artists and a Retreat Centre which can be rented for a variety of functions. The Centre also features Artscape Lodge - a short-term rental service with accommodation and work studios for up to 13 visiting artists. Situated on the south-western beachfront of the Island, The Gibraltar Point Centre for the Arts owes its name to its location marked by Toronto's oldest landmark - the Gibraltar Point Lighthouse, which was erected in 1808. The Toronto Island is a 230 hectare regional park in Toronto's harbour. The Island is part of the Carolinian Zone which includes flora and fauna not found anywhere else in Canada. Naturalized areas and wildlife reserves make it a popular stopover point for southern song birds. The Island is also home to approximately 800 individuals whose remarkable community boasts one of the highest per capita populations of artists in Canada. For more information on Toronto Island please visit the Toronto Island Community website at http://www.torontoisland.org. FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT Gibraltar Point Centre has a variety of private work studios ranging in size from 250 square feet to 800 square feet. Several of the studios are ideally suited to writers; the composers' studio features a Baby Grand Piano; others are equipped with large, adjustable drafting tables and spacious work/wall surfaces for visual artists. All studios have excellent natural light. The program will assist artists with their equipment and applicants are asked to include a detailed list of their needs. Photographers are expected to process their work off site, at their own expense. None of the studios are soundproof and as a result only projects that are quiet in nature are suitable at this time. ACCOMMODATION On site accommodation consists of bright, cozy, residency style private bedrooms, shared bathrooms and showers. Residents have access to a laundry room, common lounge, a fully equipped kitchen, a shared computer with internet access and an amazing beach. TRANSPORTATION A ten-minute voyage on a vintage ferry boat is an integral part of the Gibraltar Point experience. The Mainland Ferry terminal, located at Bay Street and Queen's Quay West, is a ten-minute walk from Union Station. Public transit to the Terminal includes the Bay #6 bus and the Harbourfront L.R.T. Bicycles can be taken on the ferry. Ferry boats run on seasonal schedules to docks at Hanlan's Point, Centre and Ward's Islands. In cold weather, the Ongiara ferry offers cozy heated cabins. Ferry fares are $6 return for adults. Once on the Islands, you can walk, cycle, rollerblade or take the Gibraltar Point shuttle bus which offers limited service beyond your initial move in and your move out. Artists in residence are given bikes for the duration of their stay. GOALS OF THE RESIDENCY PROGRAM .. To stimulate discourse and unite professional artists from varied regional, cultural and aesthetic backgrounds .. To offers artists an opportunity to think, experiment and create in an environment which is highly conducive to creativity .. To provide artists with concentrated time to focus on a project in a retreat like atmosphere in a spectacular natural setting .. To assist artists with making contacts in the Toronto arts community EVALUATION CRITERIA Note: Please address items 3 to 5 very specifically in either your cover letter or proposal. 1. Quality of work 2. Quality of proposed project to be carried out during the residency 3. Applicant's perceived benefits of living and working at Gibraltar Point on Toronto Island and being part of a diverse community of artists 4. Suitability of work to available studio space and a retreat-like setting 5. Applicant's desire to participate in an exchange with fellow artists in residence ELIGIBILITY .. The competition is open to Canadian and international professional artists .. Applicants can be at any stage of their career but may not be enrolled in any arts degree program .. Applications are accepted from artists of all disciplines including visual artists, writers, set and costume designers, composers .. Applications are accepted from professionals working in theatre, dance and film/video at the research or conceptualization stage of a project .. Applicants must be 20 years of age or older .. Applications are for individual artists ONLY .. Student projects are not eligible GUIDELINES FOR SUBMISSIONS All disciplines please enclose: .. One page description outlining your project, your intent and your expectations for your residency .. Two professional letters of referral from individuals in your field who know your work and are familiar with the project you are proposing for your residency - include email contact information for your references please. .. A resume or CV outlining your artistic accomplishments, awards, performances, exhibitions, recordings etc. .. A list of equipment needs clearly indicating what you are providing and what you would like the program to provide. In addition: .. Visual Artists: include 10 slides representative of your recent work, plus articles/reviews and/or catalogues .. Writers: include selection of published work(s) or work(s) in progress, maximum 10 pages .. Composers: include two recordings of your work (audio cassette or CD) .. Other Artists: include appropriate examples of your work THERE ARE NO APPLICATION FORMS. Applications are accepted by mail and courier only. Faxed or electronic applications are not accepted. All applications must be typewritten and include: 1. A cover letter that states: .. Your name, address, age, phone and fax numbers, e-mail address, website .. Special medical, dietary or physical requirements we should know about .. Telephone numbers of a contact person (relative or friend) 2. A $55 non-refundable application fee in certified cheque, bank draft or money order in Canadian Funds ONLY, made payable to Toronto Artscape. 3. All sheets must be 81/2 x 11 paper. Please do not use staples or binders of any kind. 4. Forward applications to: Susan Serran, Director of Arts Programs and Services, Artscape, Suite 111- 60 Atlantic Avenue, Toronto, Ontario, M6K 1X9, Canada clearly indicating "Gibraltar Point Residency Program" on the envelope. Deadline for applications is March 4, 2004 by 4:00 P.M. Note: All materials submitted must be clearly labeled including your name. Please indicate orientation of slides with dot in upper right hand corner. Materials will only be returned if a self-addressed, stamped envelope is enclosed. Please do not send original slides, work or master tapes and retain a file copy of your submission. Artscape and the Gibraltar Point Centre for the Arts do not accept responsibility for any loss or damages to the contents of your submission package. We are unable to accept any application after the deadline. SELECTION PROCESS An impartial, multidisciplinary panel of professionals and one member of Artscape staff will review applications. All decisions are final. Successful candidates will be advised in the first week of April 2004 and must confirm participation in writing before April 9, 2004. 1. Successful candidates will be advised by telephone and/or email and will be required to reply in writing advising that you accept the residency and are available from June 1 to 30 inclusive. Late arrivals and early departures are not acceptable. 2. Upon request, Artscape will provide a formal letter of acceptance that can be used to acquire a travel grant or as documentation for securing other funding sources. 3. Participating artists are expected to make travel arrangements which will allow them to arrive at Gibraltar Point before 2:00 pm on June 1st, 2004 and leave before 1:00pm on June 30, 2004. SPONSORS AND DONORS The Gibraltar Point Artist Residency Program is operated by Artscape. Artscape would like to acknowledge the generous support of the City of Toronto, the Laidlaw Foundation, and the Ontario Arts Council. ABOUT ARTSCAPE Artscape is a non-profit space provider that develops and manages properties, builds partnerships, engages in research and planning, and delivers programs that serve artists while strengthening the broader community. Please check our website at http://www.torontoartscape.on.ca for more information about our buildings, programs and services. If you have questions regarding the Gibraltar Point International Artist Residency Program please e-mail Susan Serran, Director of Arts Programs & Services, Artscape: susan@torontoartscape.on.ca. Visit Artscape on the web to find out about the artists selected to participate in the 2004 Gibraltar Point International Artist Residency Program. A full listing of participants will be available in late April 2004 at http://www.torontoartscape.on.ca. >> = ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 13:47:32 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Lord of the Rings and racism In-Reply-To: <000001c3cfae$a80cdbe0$6501a8c0@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I went yesterday to see the Lord of the Rings and was frankly bored, even when I was 12 I found LoR a real bore. But as I sat through the last part of the trilogy I began to become a little disturbed by the movie. Here are some reflections of mine would ask for other comments; 1) All the "good characters" are not just white, they are Nordic, it is like Reich Films cast the show. The elves, the men, even the dwarfs are nordic and white. 2) All the "bad characters" are dark, even the Elephant army men are black or dark. 3) The culture that is revered is one that is modelled on Nordic religion and myths which is fine except that the whole phenomonology asserts that this tradition is a good one. 4) Patriarchial Kingship is viewed as the ideal. Now I realize that this is a movie but it says allot about things that not one of the main characters in this movie is black, or even southern European. Some friends have argued that Tolkien was British and was writing a Myth from the Celtic-Germanic tradition. But I see the problem more with the film-- I am not saying that we ought to be politically correct or have racial quotas within a film but I find the whole package a little disturbing. Especially the last big scene where the whole multitude looks like extras from Valhalla. RB ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:08:14 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: A political point of view, sorry. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is why the left fails in the USA even when the dems are in control 1) In 1964 America was moving towards a Social Democratic consensus. 2) Conservatives realized that the only way that they could survive this consensus was to create a shadow establishment because in 1964 most institutions, colleges, think tanks and groups were left leaning and the left was growing. 3) Conservatives also realized that two communities that in 1964 were 'left leaning' Urban Catholics and Southern Whites did not like the disorder of the later 60's and also that they were economically liberal but socially conservative. 4) Conservatives built from this a shadow establishment that created ideas- and mailing lists to make money for their movement. They also created wedge issues. 5) Liberals/Social Democrats on the other hand abandoned organizing as a mass movement later in the 60's as Civil Rights Movement spawned Black Power,and the other splinter groups and the left broke into the many "pressure groups" that the left is made of today, Feminists, Gays, Environmentalists splintering a whole progressive agenda. 6) The Democrats rather than building a Social Democratic consensus as was formed in Europe where the welfare state had benefits for ALL of society, build a series of programs to "LIFT UP" certain groups hence resentment was created within the taxpayers that the Right exploited. If the Dems had built a structure like in Europe that the Middle Class bought into there would be no conservative movement today. But the left chose to splinter and chase small gains rather than the big idea as was won in Europe. 7) The right however remained intact and with simple organization and its shadow establishment was able to weather Watergate while the left could not recover from McGovern and the loss of Carter in 1980. The key for the left in the USA is move away from "special interest" politics rather than being a list of "groups seeking justice" the Left ought to try to create a consensus for a certain social compact. Imagine if someone here in the USA could articulate a Social Democratic vision-- cogently--- that said look you are going to pay more taxes but university will be free, health care will be universal, and we are not going to let our cities fall apart, you will have mass transit et cetera. If a left politician could articulate this-- versus the right's harping on 'autonomy''freedom'and 'free markets' the left can win but if the left remains the 'special interest' party the right can use that as a way to separate people and win every election. But instead we spend our resources on corporate welfare, and wasteful social spending that does not address real issues. Until the left has a cogent vision and an articulate spokes person for these values they will not win. > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of alexander saliby > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:06 AM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: A political point of view, sorry. > > > Politics Once Again: > The question to ask is not, which democrat, or third party, or > non-affiliate candidate can defeat president Bush, but rather, > how can the middle/left-leaning majority of the nation regain > control of the political mechanism in the nation? > > And to answer that question, we need to analyze exactly how it is > that the right-wing minority conservative element managed to > wrestle control of the nation's political scene? > > The right is in control for three reasons: > 1. they have brilliantly structured a program that works within > the mainstream major party system...they became Republicans. > 2. they were patient and diligently, patiently chartered a course > of action that led to small victories. Collectively, those small > victories led to the White House in 2000. > 3. they relied heavily on the ability of the voice of the > conservative element, Rush Limbaugh, to continue to persuade the > aging population that the youngsters were running amuck..e.g. > Clinton's getting blowjobs in the oval office...can anything be > worse than that? (note that all of that publicity which > afflicted Clinton, never hurt the GOP sinners...how many > girlfriends, wives, consorts, did Newt Gingrich have all the > while he served in the House? And what did the left do to bring > all that news to light? Newt is, after all, on his third wife, > and he was schtooping his girlfriend/third wife while his second > lady was in a care facility. WOW,what's worse, adulty when your > partner is ill, or blowjobs in the Oval Office? Ok, maybe both > are not good, but only one was used as a weapon.) > > So, what can the left leaning learn from all this? > 1. Stop running around like wounded animals being mistreated by > the "system." And that means stop all this juvenile > demonstration crap from the 60's. Demonstrating may be a way to > get your name in the papers, but it won't sway voters who might > otherwise agree with your politico-philosphical views. And by > the way, IMHO, Ralph Nader is doing just this, as are all Green > Party folks. {Note to Greens...become Dems!!! Tell Nader to grow > up and learn to work within the two party system...if he can't do > that, maybe he needs to accept the fact that he has failed.} > 2. Martial a plan that works within the two party system, and > work that plan. > 3. Be patient! It did take the conservatives better than 40 > years to gain control...regaining control for the left leaning > won't happen in 40 hours, or even 1 election. > > And who really gives a shit whether it is Dean or Kerry of > Kucinich (and sorry, but that last name just ain't gonna make it > today in the "mainstream")? That debate wastes energies and > monies that would be better spent on answering the question: "How > can we collect the fringe folks and form a unified political > force that can oust the current, Big Business monsters > masquerading as politicians?" Here's the note: Free Market is > nothing more than a new name for Freedom for the rich to plunder > the poor...and wage earner is a two word substitute for "slave." > Or worse, why is it that 50% of the world's population continues > to labor at an international poverty level at the same time that > the directors of the world's leading big businesses continue to > increase their wealth at an annual growth rate nearly twice that > of the USA's annual CLI (cost of living index)? > > I don't give a good god damn about trees or oil lands or global > warming; I care about people. And the big business monsters, > while they molest the environment will do worse, they will > continue to abuse people, all those people whose labors they rely > upon to build their fortunes. > > Pardon my ranting here, but...if you really want to keep the > Alaskan North slopes from being further plundered, or if you > really give a good god-damn about the plight of laborers in the > nation, you have to stop...repeat: STOP!!! trying to build a > third or fourth party unit and START working to gain control of > one of the two major parties currently in control in the country. > > If you doubt my message here, examine the success of the > billionaire Ross Perot's efforts at starting his party...the > big-eared ego idiot wasted tons of greenbacks getting nowhere. > > So, if you are seriously interested in defeating Bush, I suggest > you get your lazy asses off your ideological pillows and start > working to elect Democrats; we may not elect one to the post of > president this time, but we need to start somewhere. And if that > fringe eqo-freak Ralph Nader can't join us in the fight...let him > go his own way...alone, he'll succeed in changing nothing; you on > the other hand may actually save a small portion of your world. > Alex > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 15:35:04 -0500 Reply-To: olsonjk@delhi.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kirby Olson Organization: SUNY Delhi Subject: Re: A political point of view, sorry. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Haas, this is a brilliant summary. I liked it. I think you are right. What are you going to do with all the separatists within the democratic party? You have lesbian separatists, black muslim separatists (mutually exclusive, in many cases) and separatists of all kinds. In Finland for instance they don't have many of these problems. 98.7 percent of people living in Finland are Finnish. Others come for a while but they don't stay. The winters are harsh, the language is very difficult to master, and you tend to get beat up. So it's easier to attain unity. This country is such a welter -- even with the remainder of states' rights -- you have a feeling of a coalition of 50 countries all of whom have border issues, and possessiveness problems. To create a unity like you envision would require a great leader -- perhaps someone like Lincoln could do it. We need a new Lincoln: someone who can articulate principles and then create brilliant rhetoric to set them in motion. I don't see that but I do believe in miracles. Perhaps a spirit will rise in one of these leaden candidates. -- Kirby ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:08:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: A political point of view, sorry. In-Reply-To: <000601c3cfd9$d27f0b20$388cad43@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Move left; move right. No good Murrican gives a shit long as you don't block the screen. Specially when the Super Bowl is on. Hal Serving the tri-state area. Halvard Johnson =============== email: halvard@earthlink.net website: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard The Sonnet Project: http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/The%20Sonnet%20Project.html { This is why the left fails in the USA even when the dems are in control { { 1) In 1964 America was moving towards a Social Democratic consensus. { 2) Conservatives realized that the only way that they could survive this { consensus was to create a shadow establishment because in 1964 most { institutions, colleges, think tanks and groups were left leaning and the { left was growing. { 3) Conservatives also realized that two communities that in 1964 were 'left { leaning' Urban Catholics and Southern Whites did not like the disorder of { the later 60's and also that they were economically liberal but socially { conservative. { 4) Conservatives built from this a shadow establishment that created ideas- { and mailing lists to make money for their movement. They also created wedge { issues. { 5) Liberals/Social Democrats on the other hand abandoned organizing as a { mass movement later in the 60's as Civil Rights Movement spawned Black { Power,and the other splinter groups and the left broke into the many { "pressure groups" that the left is made of today, Feminists, Gays, { Environmentalists splintering a whole progressive agenda. { 6) The Democrats rather than building a Social Democratic consensus as was { formed in Europe where the welfare state had benefits for ALL of society, { build a series of programs to "LIFT UP" certain groups hence resentment was { created within the taxpayers that the Right exploited. If the Dems had built { a structure like in Europe that the Middle Class bought into there would be { no conservative movement today. But the left chose to splinter and chase { small gains rather than the big idea as was won in Europe. { 7) The right however remained intact and with simple organization and its { shadow establishment was able to weather Watergate while the left could not { recover from McGovern and the loss of Carter in 1980. { { The key for the left in the USA is move away from "special interest" { politics rather than being a list of "groups seeking justice" the Left ought { to try to create a consensus for a certain social compact. { { Imagine if someone here in the USA could articulate a Social Democratic { vision-- cogently--- that said look you are going to pay more taxes but { university will be free, health care will be universal, and we are not going { to let our cities fall apart, you will have mass transit et cetera. { { If a left politician could articulate this-- versus the right's harping on { 'autonomy''freedom'and 'free markets' the left can win but if the left { remains the 'special interest' party the right can use that as a way to { separate people and win every election. But instead we spend our resources { on corporate welfare, and wasteful social spending that does not address { real issues. Until the left has a cogent vision and an articulate spokes { person for these values they will not win. { { { > -----Original Message----- { > From: UB Poetics discussion group { > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of alexander saliby { > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 2:06 AM { > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU { > Subject: A political point of view, sorry. { > { > { > Politics Once Again: { > The question to ask is not, which democrat, or third party, or { > non-affiliate candidate can defeat president Bush, but rather, { > how can the middle/left-leaning majority of the nation regain { > control of the political mechanism in the nation? { > { > And to answer that question, we need to analyze exactly how it is { > that the right-wing minority conservative element managed to { > wrestle control of the nation's political scene? { > { > The right is in control for three reasons: { > 1. they have brilliantly structured a program that works within { > the mainstream major party system...they became Republicans. { > 2. they were patient and diligently, patiently chartered a course { > of action that led to small victories. Collectively, those small { > victories led to the White House in 2000. { > 3. they relied heavily on the ability of the voice of the { > conservative element, Rush Limbaugh, to continue to persuade the { > aging population that the youngsters were running amuck..e.g. { > Clinton's getting blowjobs in the oval office...can anything be { > worse than that? (note that all of that publicity which { > afflicted Clinton, never hurt the GOP sinners...how many { > girlfriends, wives, consorts, did Newt Gingrich have all the { > while he served in the House? And what did the left do to bring { > all that news to light? Newt is, after all, on his third wife, { > and he was schtooping his girlfriend/third wife while his second { > lady was in a care facility. WOW,what's worse, adulty when your { > partner is ill, or blowjobs in the Oval Office? Ok, maybe both { > are not good, but only one was used as a weapon.) { > { > So, what can the left leaning learn from all this? { > 1. Stop running around like wounded animals being mistreated by { > the "system." And that means stop all this juvenile { > demonstration crap from the 60's. Demonstrating may be a way to { > get your name in the papers, but it won't sway voters who might { > otherwise agree with your politico-philosphical views. And by { > the way, IMHO, Ralph Nader is doing just this, as are all Green { > Party folks. {Note to Greens...become Dems!!! Tell Nader to grow { > up and learn to work within the two party system...if he can't do { > that, maybe he needs to accept the fact that he has failed.} { > 2. Martial a plan that works within the two party system, and { > work that plan. { > 3. Be patient! It did take the conservatives better than 40 { > years to gain control...regaining control for the left leaning { > won't happen in 40 hours, or even 1 election. { > { > And who really gives a shit whether it is Dean or Kerry of { > Kucinich (and sorry, but that last name just ain't gonna make it { > today in the "mainstream")? That debate wastes energies and { > monies that would be better spent on answering the question: "How { > can we collect the fringe folks and form a unified political { > force that can oust the current, Big Business monsters { > masquerading as politicians?" Here's the note: Free Market is { > nothing more than a new name for Freedom for the rich to plunder { > the poor...and wage earner is a two word substitute for "slave." { > Or worse, why is it that 50% of the world's population continues { > to labor at an international poverty level at the same time that { > the directors of the world's leading big businesses continue to { > increase their wealth at an annual growth rate nearly twice that { > of the USA's annual CLI (cost of living index)? { > { > I don't give a good god damn about trees or oil lands or global { > warming; I care about people. And the big business monsters, { > while they molest the environment will do worse, they will { > continue to abuse people, all those people whose labors they rely { > upon to build their fortunes. { > { > Pardon my ranting here, but...if you really want to keep the { > Alaskan North slopes from being further plundered, or if you { > really give a good god-damn about the plight of laborers in the { > nation, you have to stop...repeat: STOP!!! trying to build a { > third or fourth party unit and START working to gain control of { > one of the two major parties currently in control in the country. { > { > If you doubt my message here, examine the success of the { > billionaire Ross Perot's efforts at starting his party...the { > big-eared ego idiot wasted tons of greenbacks getting nowhere. { > { > So, if you are seriously interested in defeating Bush, I suggest { > you get your lazy asses off your ideological pillows and start { > working to elect Democrats; we may not elect one to the post of { > president this time, but we need to start somewhere. And if that { > fringe eqo-freak Ralph Nader can't join us in the fight...let him { > go his own way...alone, he'll succeed in changing nothing; you on { > the other hand may actually save a small portion of your world. { > Alex { > { ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:24:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings and racism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hass, Saw LoR a few days ago myself. Same sort of take (although I did like the movie, as I do most, for their "escape" value -- opportunity to almost completely get away from realtime daytime reality, etc.). But Yes, like you, had a similar take. Especially at the end, two prominent points stood out: (1)For the most part, all the heroes (and main characters) are male, from the hobbits to the humans to the elf and the troll (or whatever he is); at the end, they're all living, and they're all celebrated. (2)The solution to the "problem" is military victory; regardless the global issues and strife, everything comes to "war," and Good cannot overcome Evil by any means except WAR and victory or defeat. Naturally, this IS, after all, a movie based on Tolkien's narrative, and "his" epic is an epic of "war." I guess it remains for others with newer imaginations to frame human strife and global threats in non-war terms and narratives. I'd love to have seen LoR characters jumping straight out of their scripts and electing to "fight" the whole narrative of war, but that script hasn't been written yet(?). Similarly, foregrounds male characters and tries, in my opinion boldly and honorably, to make the analogy between "war profiteering" by Winchester/Remington salesman of the late 1800's and war profiteering by you-name-'em of this era -- the crooked military expert from the U.S. and the crooked advisor for the emperor of Japan are just like Perle and Wolfowitz et al, and I think this latter film DOES courageously try to make the public see these kinds of scoundrels and their treachery to "life," human and other. Still, the movie makes "competition," in it's worst extension (war), "exciting" and "fun" and "glamourous," really, and the lead characters are all male, really; further, it's Tom Cruise, the American, who survives at the end, not the Japanese samarai, Kasumoto. Someday, some sharp and forward-seeing screenwriter is going to write an epic "untrue" to the male history of the last 10,000 years. It will depict something like the "cooperation-based" civilizations of 20 thousand years ago; foreground female main characters; and develop a plot whereby they circumvent the entire development of the male hierarchy and male-dominance and "wars" at the critical split that occurred some 10-15 thousand years ago and forced the species down the "competition"/war road/narrative (Eisler, ). Or it will be a plot that takes the American Civil War, say, and shows "female-brained" leaders nipping that struggle and military contest in the bud, deconstructing the framing of human disagreement so that war is no longer an option or "step" in the conflict resolution. Catherine Daly, like many others, surely, rejects in her the term "avant-garde" for its militaristic roots and associations. Speaking of Catherine Daly (and David Bromige), can Catherine or David if out there say if the reading up in Sonoma County for the 23rd is still a go? I need to make arrangements if I will be able to attend. Happy New Year to all! Steve Tills http://www.therepublicofcalifornia.com/BSO/Black_Spring_P/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:52:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paolo Javier Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings and racism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 ZGVhciBoYWFzICYgc3RldmU6Cgp0aGFuayB5b3Ugc28gbXVjaCBmb3IgeW91ciBvYnNlcnZh dGlvbnMgYWJvdXQgTE9UUi4gaXQncyBkaWZmaWN1bHQgdG8gdm9pY2Ugc3VjaCBvcGluaW9u cyBhYm91dCBhIGp1Z2dlcm5hdXQgb2YgYSBtb3ZpZSwgZXNwIG9uZSB3aGljaCBwcmFjdGlj YWxseSBhbGwgZmlsbSBjcml0aWNzICYgbW92aWVnb2VycyBoYXZlIHByYWlzZWQgdG8gZ29u ZG9yaWFuIGhlaWdodHMuIHRoZSBmaWxtIGlzIGFzIGZpbmUgKCYgYnJ1dGFsKSBhbiBleGFt cGxlIG9mIG9yaWVudGFsaXNtIGFzIGFueXRoaW5nIGkndmUgZXZlciBzZWVuIG9uIHRoZSBi aWcgc2NyZWVuLi4uCgppIGNhdWdodCBST1RLIG9uIG9wZW5pbmcgbmlnaHQsICYgbGVmdCB0 aGUgdGhlYXRlciBpbiBhd2Ugb2YgaXRzIENHSSwgZ2VuZXJvdXMgZW1vdGlvbi4uLi4mIGJs YXRhbnQgcmFjaXN0IGltYWdlcnkuIFNJR0guIGkgY2Qgbm90IGJlbGlldmUgaG93IHJpZGlj dWxvdXNseSB3aGl0ZSBWUy4gbm9uIHdoaXRlIHRoZSBmaWxtIHdhcyBpbiBpdHMgcmVwcmVz ZW50YXRpb24gb2YgZ29vZCB2cy4gZXZpbC4gYnkgdGhlIGVuZCBvZiB0aGUgc2Vjb25kIGZp bG0sIFRoZSBUd28gVG93ZXJzICh3aGljaCBhbiBhdW50IG9mIG1pbmUgYWx3YXlzIG1pc3Rh a2VubHkgY2FsbHMgJ1RoZSBUV0lOIFRvd2VycycpICgoc2h1ZGRlcikpLS13aGljaCBzaG93 Y2FzZWQgYSBkYXJrLXNraW5uZWQsIHNvdXRoIGFzaWFuLWxvb2tpbmcgbWFuIGluIGEgdHVy YmFuIHJlcHJlc2VudGluZyB0aGUgcmFjZSBvZiB0aGUgZWFzdGVybGluZ3MgYXQgdGhlIGdh dGVzIG9mIG1vcmRvci0taSBoYWQgbXkgZ3Jvd2luZyBmZWFycyBhYm91dCB0aGUgZGlyZWN0 aW9uIGphY2tzb24gd291bGQgYmUgdGFraW5nIGluIHRoZSBmaW5hbCBpbnN0YWxsbWVudC4g aW4gc2V2ZXJhbCBvZiBoaXMgaW50ZXJ2aWV3cyBhYm91dCB0aGUgdHJpbG9neSwgaGUgd291 bGQgc3BlYWsgYXQgZ3JlYXQgbGVuZ3RoIGFib3V0IGJlaW5nIGZhaXRoZnVsIHRvIHRoZSBi b29rcywgaW4gc3BpdGUgb2YgdGhlIGZhY3QgdGhhdCBoZSBlbmRzIHVwIG1ha2luZyBzb21l IGRyYW1hdGljIGNoYW5nZXMgdG8gSElTIHRlbGxpbmcgb2YgVG9sa2llbidzIHN0b3J5IGVh cmx5IG9uIGluIHRoZSBmaXJzdCBmaWxtLCAmIHN1YnNlcXVlbnRseSBpbiB0aGUgc2Vjb25k LiBzbyBteSBxdWVzdGlvbiBpcywgd2h5IGNvdWxkbnQgaGUgZGVwYXJ0IGZyb20gdGhlIHN1 cHJlbWVseSByYWNpc3QgZGVzY3JpcHRpb25zIG9mIHRoZSBPVEhFUiBpbiB0aGUgb3JpZ2lu YWwgYm9va3M/IHdoeSBwcmVzZXJ2ZSBUSEFUIHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIHRhbGU/IHRoZSBpZGVh bGlzYXRpb24gb2Ygd2hpdGVuZXNzIGlzIG9idmlvdXNseSB0aGVyZSBpbiB0aGUgZmlyc3Qg dHdvIGZpbG1zLCBidXQgYnkgdGhlIGVuZCBvZiBST1RLLCB5b3UgZXNwZWNpYWxseSBTRUUg anVzdCBXSE8gdGhlICdtZW4gb2YgdGhlIHdlc3QnIGFyZSBiYXR0bGluZyBhZ2FpbnN0Li4u LgoKaGVyZSBpcyBhIHF1b3RlIGZyb20gdGhlIGNoYXJhY3RlciBvZiBMZWdvbGFzIGVhcmx5 IG9uIGluIFJPVEsgdGhhdCB0cnVseSBtYWRlIG15IHN0b21hY2ggdHVybjogCgogICAiU29t ZXRoaW5nIHN0aXJzIElOIFRIRSBFQVNULiBBIHNsZWVwbGVzcyBtYWxpY2UuLi4iCgp0aGUg ZmlsbSBvZmZlcnMganVzdCB0aGUga2luZCBvZiBpbWFnZXJ5ICYgcmhldG9yaWMgb3VyIHdv cmxkIG5lZWRzIG5vdywgaHVoPyAKCmJlc3QsCnBhb2xvCgo= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:53:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [CC] * Tim Berners-Lee, web's inventor gets a knighthood * (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:56:49 -0600 From: "George (s) Lessard" Reply-To: Cyberculture To: L cpi-ua , L CyberCulture , L Indigenous-IT , L Media Mentor Subject: [CC] * Tim Berners-Lee, web's inventor gets a knighthood * * Web's inventor gets a knighthood * Tim Berners-Lee, creator of the world wide web, has been honoured for his work in the New Year honours list. Full story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/-/1/hi/technology/3357073.stm --- = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Via / Excerpted / By / From / Thanks to: http://news.bbc.co.uk/ (c)info http://tinyurl.com/jkkw http://members.tripod.com/~media002/disclaimer.htm Due to the nature of email & the WWW, check ALL sources. http://tinyurl.com/h4m7 http://media002.tripod.com/ "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." (Gandhi) -- Cyberculture@zacha.org http://www.cyberculture.zacha.org/