========================================================================= Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:58:45 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit goldberg to gehry cohen to kerry... rnd 'bt midnite.....drchaimn.... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:23:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the need for fury among animals and others MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the need for fury among animals and others two angel fish one dolphin one woman four skeletons one public monument http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/totem.mov but you'd better see http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/WolfTCs.mov although the first is a quarter the second and both reference undergrounds and the need for fury of the most furious sort _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:35:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: "how am i doing" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed "how am i doing" how am i doing you're doing fine, why do you ask i don't think i'm doing fine, there are too many people against me online or offline do you think everywhere, there's no difference now, the world's increasingly porous, just look around you, reality's a hack, online is open-real, reality is open-source you're upset about quantum mechanics it's proprietary, depends on the economics, what you're looking at, research programmes, that sort of thing but you're doing fine as long as i don't think about these things and your work piling bodies on one another, species, devouring landscapes all this talk about your work is meaningless when species are disappearing at such a furious rate they're open source they're closed source or open source, it depends on who they are, what they want you can't mean they're mouthing information exactly that, meanwhile they say i write too much, that it's all the same is it not if you look closely, but every human has only one good idea and i've had hundreds can you name some sure, neitherness, defuge, immersive-definable hierarchies, the ascii unconscious, jectivity, the same old things rubrics for other things, jettisoned language or ideas i struggle to express, some unnamed, some in moving images, video, motion picture, online directories fraught with peripheral nomenclatures, one's peril, another's perl so the pun so the pun slips not from one register of language to another, but from language to elsewhere, unspoken, the foundations shaken, as if there weren't any, as if their lack were manifest on the surface you're saying embroiled, roiling, boiling or motile in a brownian fashion, quantum and irretrievable chaos but back there on the surface they're talking about you too much of it, yes, too much the same, not enough zing they say you're a nice guy, too preposterous poppycock of the fairways, assorted fructose, you get the picture the sweetness of it all yes, the sweetness of it all _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:07:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lemmy Caution Subject: Top 20 of 24 Total Search Strings Comments: To: cyberculture , Kathryn Dean-Dielman , Michael Kapalin , karen lemley , list@netbehaviour.org, underground poetry , naked readings , rhizome , screenburn screenburn , X Stream , Tom Suhar , Matt Suleski , matt swarthout , webartery , wryting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Top 20 of 24 Total Search Strings#HitsSearch String1719.44%lewis lacook238.33%idiolect325.56%dennis matthews425.56%fucked up on xanax525.56%kitten625.56%xanax on the streets712.78%alan sondheim812.78%dogs xanax912.78%girl's hairy arms1012.78%how many died on the 911 attack1112.78%indian %2bbanner1212.78%lewis lacook @1312.78%lewis pants1412.78%no tongue1512.78%poetry about xanax1612.78%related:netflag.guggenheim.org/netflag/1712.78%s%26m1812.78%sondheim1912.78%tomim2012.78%world trade center people that died *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook net artist, poet, freelance web developer/programmer http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog>> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Stamen Pistol: http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/ Cell:440.258.9232 Sidereality: http://www.sidereality.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Now with 25x more storage than before! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 10:26:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lemmy Caution Subject: phpaintings: painting number 1: Microsoft stock quotes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.lewislacook.com/phpaintings/painting1.php Yes, it looks MUCH like the previous experiment I did with dynamically generated images(it should, seeing as how it's built on the previous experiment's code); this one, however, relies on external data to decide how many (randomly-placed)solid lines, dashed lines, and randomly-colored pixels to use. The external data is generated from Yahoo stock quotes for Microsoft stock... SOURCE CODE HERE: written in PHP, using the GD Library __________________________________________________ /* phpainting #1 by Lewis LaCook August 2004 ==generates psudo-random dynamic PNG, with lines and pixels determined by Microsoft stock */ Class yahoo { function get_stock_quote($symbol) { $url = sprintf("http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?s=%s&f=sl1d1t1c1ohgv" ,$symbol); $fp = fopen($url, "r"); if(!fp) { echo "error : cannot recieve stock quote information"; } else { $array = fgetcsv($fp , 4096 , ', '); fclose($fp); $this->symbol = $array[0]; $this->last = $array[1]; $this->date = $array[2]; $this->time = $array[3]; $this->change = $array[4]; $this->open = $array[5]; $this->high = $array[6]; $this->low = $array[7]; $this->volume = $array[8]; } } } $quote = new yahoo; $quote->get_stock_quote("MSFT"); srand((double) microtime()*1000000); //set up image $height=640; $width=480; $rgbRange0=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange1=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange2=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange3=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange4=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange5=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange6=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange7=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange8=rand(0, 255); $rgbRange=rand(0, 255); $im=ImageCreate($width, $height); $color[0]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange0, $rgbRange5,$rgbRange8); $color[1]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange4, $rgbRange3, $rgbRange5); $color[3]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange8, $rgbRange2,$rgbRange1); $color[4]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange0, $rgbRange8, $rgbRange7); $color[5]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange5, $rgbRange8,$rgbRange6); $color[6]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange9, $rgbRange8, $rgbRange5); $color[7]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange5, $rgbRange1,$rgbRange8); $color[8]=ImageColorAllocate($im, $rgbRange6, $rgbRange6, $rgbRange7); //draw on image //canvas ImageFill($im, 0, 0, array_rand($color)); //pixels for($i=0; $i <= $quote->last; $i++){ imagesetpixel($im, rand(0, 480), rand(0,640), array_rand($color)); } //lines //dashed for($x=0; $x <= $quote->high; $x++){ imagedashedline($im,rand(0, 480), rand(0,640),rand(0, 480), rand(0,640),array_rand($color)); } //filled for($x=0; $x <= $quote->low; $x++){ imageline($im,rand(0, 480), rand(0,640),rand(0, 480), rand(0,640),array_rand($color)); } //output image Header("Content-type: image/png"); ImagePng($im); //clean up ImageDestroy($im); _______________________________________________________ *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook net artist, poet, freelance web developer/programmer http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog>> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Stamen Pistol: http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/ Cell:440.258.9232 Sidereality: http://www.sidereality.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/webartery/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: webartery-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook net artist, poet, freelance web developer/programmer http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog>> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Stamen Pistol: http://stamenpistol.blogspot.com/ Cell:440.258.9232 Sidereality: http://www.sidereality.com/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:11:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: NY Times articles on anti-RNC reading In-Reply-To: <20040801172600.48285.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everyone: the big protest reading on the RNC, President Bush and the crisis in Iraq called "DEMO: A demonstration in words: was featured on the front page of the City Section of the New York Times on Sunday. To read the article, go to: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/01/nyregion/thecity/01colm.html http://www.rattapallax.com/protest.htm Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 8pm. St. Mark's Church, 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave., New York City. Free. Featuring Sonia Sanchez, Grace Paley, Carl Hancock Rux, Sapphire, Katha Pollitt, Mark Doty, Cornelius Eady, Vijay Seshadri, Hettie Jones, Hal Sirowitz, Kimiko Hahn, Bob Holman, Grace Schulman, Eileen Myles, Marie Ponsot, Robert Polito, John Yau, Rodrigo Toscano, Carol Mirakove, Greg Fuchs, Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Bruce Andrews, Kathy Engel and many others. The reading is presented by Rattapallax, Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church & Issue Project Room. Hosted by Jennifer Benka and Ram Devineni. Sponsored by Rattapallax, Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church, Issue Project Room, Bowery Poetry Club, National Youth and Student Peace Coalition, Asian American Writers Workshop, Booklyn, Bloom Magazine, Melville House Books, Unpleasant Event Schedule Reading Series, Teachers & Writers, LouderArts, Happy Ending Reading Series, The Bronx Writers' Center, Soft Skull Press, belladonna*, Spire Press, terra incognita magazine, Lungfull!, Small Press Center, American Book Review, Pete's Big Salmon Series, Readings Between A & B & Hanging Loose Press, Open City Magazine and Books & Poets Against the War. Hope you can make it. Cheers Ram Devineni Publisher ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:11:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: NY Times articles on anti-RNC reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I would love to come to this reading, but alas I do not have a car, a license, and I am pretty much flat broke (I could borrow money from my parents, but my dad who is in the army does not support my activities). Are there any good peops that are passing through North Carolina (particularly Fayetteville) that could help a poet with a ride? Please respond off list (obviously). I hear there is a poet in this town that is very well know (that's the rumor)... does anyone know this poet and do they know if he plans on attending (I could maybe catch a ride with him). I am not concerned about a place to stay because I have family on Staten Island and a sleeping bag. Just a ride ma'am, just a ride. Thanks if anyone can help and thanks if you can't. Peace, Ian VanHeusen >From: Ram Devineni >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: NY Times articles on anti-RNC reading >Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:11:05 -0700 > >Hello Everyone: the big protest reading on the RNC, >President Bush and the crisis in Iraq called "DEMO: A >demonstration in words: was featured on the front page >of the City Section of the New York Times on Sunday. > >To read the article, go to: >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/01/nyregion/thecity/01colm.html > >http://www.rattapallax.com/protest.htm > >Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 8pm. St. Mark's >Church, 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave., New York City. >Free. Featuring Sonia Sanchez, Grace Paley, Carl >Hancock Rux, Sapphire, Katha Pollitt, Mark Doty, >Cornelius Eady, Vijay Seshadri, Hettie Jones, Hal >Sirowitz, Kimiko Hahn, Bob Holman, Grace Schulman, >Eileen Myles, Marie Ponsot, Robert Polito, John Yau, >Rodrigo Toscano, Carol Mirakove, Greg Fuchs, Anselm >Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Bruce Andrews, Kathy Engel and >many others. > >The reading is presented by Rattapallax, Poetry >Project at St. Mark's Church & Issue Project Room. > >Hosted by Jennifer Benka and Ram Devineni. Sponsored >by Rattapallax, Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church, >Issue Project Room, Bowery Poetry Club, National Youth >and Student Peace Coalition, Asian American Writers >Workshop, Booklyn, Bloom Magazine, Melville House >Books, Unpleasant Event Schedule Reading Series, >Teachers & Writers, LouderArts, Happy Ending Reading >Series, The Bronx Writers' Center, Soft Skull Press, >belladonna*, Spire Press, terra incognita magazine, >Lungfull!, Small Press Center, American Book Review, >Pete's Big Salmon Series, Readings Between A & B & >Hanging Loose Press, Open City Magazine and Books & >Poets Against the War. > >Hope you can make it. > >Cheers >Ram Devineni >Publisher > > >===== >Please send future emails to >devineni@rattapallax.com for press >devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:36:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: "how am i doing" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I fast talk speak & revolution as if my life had always depended upon it, doors with hands have been closing in Southern Midnights as if full of superstition and I see a strong man from the next and I see a deconstruction of heirarchy from a slang but sometimes when all the eyes around you are on you ya can't help wonder. Maybe, this revolutionary thing is more powerfull than you thought and through tough love ya learn to only battle friends (even if they are only voices in an unforgiving midnight) & ya learn to stay postive and strong through all the shit sometimes folks just gotta see I've been fighting since birth bright kid with maybe too many lights on strait A's and tests, tests, tests and through all of it, there was a mean teacher in the back telling my parents too shut that kid up put him on Ridilin, he's going bad and in the worst case scenario, my desk was moved into a corner and told to shut-up I'm crazy, but I am not insane I hear things everywhere I listen, and sometimes I wonder is this real? Maybe it's not maybe it's just passages too something better you see I fast talk speak & revolution as if I had been fighting the military state from birth did ya know the guy's dad is in the Army and that his mom calls him the devil did ya know that he gave a woman a love letter and watched as she ran scared from him did ya know that priest's watch there words in front of him like counting numbers in the sky and in the center of it, this Krazy Cloud still says the same thing Revolution Revolution Revolution 1 Thousand times, as if his life depended upon this path as if it were a promise he made to his god. Peace, Ian VanHeusen >From: Alan Sondheim >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: "how am i doing" >Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 02:35:02 -0400 > >"how am i doing" > >how am i doing >you're doing fine, why do you ask >i don't think i'm doing fine, there are too many people against me >online or offline do you think >everywhere, there's no difference now, the world's increasingly porous, >just look around you, reality's a hack, online is open-real, reality is >open-source >you're upset about quantum mechanics >it's proprietary, depends on the economics, what you're looking at, >research programmes, that sort of thing >but you're doing fine >as long as i don't think about these things >and your work >piling bodies on one another, species, devouring landscapes >all this talk about your work >is meaningless when species are disappearing at such a furious rate >they're open source >they're closed source or open source, it depends on who they are, what >they want >you can't mean they're mouthing information >exactly that, meanwhile they say i write too much, that it's all the same >is it >not if you look closely, but every human has only one good idea and i've >had hundreds >can you name some >sure, neitherness, defuge, immersive-definable hierarchies, the ascii >unconscious, jectivity, the same old things >rubrics for other things, jettisoned language >or ideas i struggle to express, some unnamed, some in moving images, >video, motion picture, online directories fraught with peripheral >nomenclatures, one's peril, another's perl >so the pun >so the pun slips not from one register of language to another, but from >language to elsewhere, unspoken, the foundations shaken, as if there >weren't any, as if their lack were manifest on the surface >you're saying embroiled, roiling, boiling >or motile in a brownian fashion, quantum and irretrievable chaos >but back there on the surface they're talking about you >too much of it, yes, too much the same, not enough zing >they say you're a nice guy, too >preposterous poppycock of the fairways, assorted fructose, you get the >picture >the sweetness of it all >yes, the sweetness of it all > >_ _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:20:00 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Running up those steps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You're both dynamite poets.... You can listen to a recent reading by hassen here: www.carrboropoetryfestival.org/audio/CPF2004June06D05Hassen.mp3 From one PhiladelphianAgainstBush to another, Patrick Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 09:29:39 EDT From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: waiting in the rain for John Kerry (by the way, if you're in Boston for the massacre! don't miss Hassen, she's driving up there as i write this! and she's a dynamite poet!) i went with Hassen the other day to see John Kerry in front of the Philadelphia Museum of Art if i were him i would have RUN up those steps to make the Philadelphia Rocky gesture CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:49:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: Correction :: Furniture Press Reading August 29th In-Reply-To: <20040731232343.7D1C514862@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You really are good to me, do you know that? Thank you.=20 I hope you are having a great weekend. I have a friend in town so I've not been on e-mail until just now. But I am looking forward to looking over the Chain thang this evening. Poe -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of furniture_ press Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:24 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Correction :: Furniture Press Reading August 29th Sorry, everyone. I re-edited Deborah Poe's bio after neglecting the differences between MA and MFA. Christophe Casamassima The Portable Reading Series August 29th 2004 @ 5PM hosted by furniture_press =87 presents =87 Edmund Berrigan is the author of Disarming Matter (The Owl Press 1999), two Idiom chapbooks, Counting the Hats and Ducks, A Serious Earth (with drawings by William Yackulic), and Your Cheatin=92 Heart (Furniture Press 2004). His poems have been published in Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics, Arshile, Mirage #4/Period[ical], Talisman, and The World. Amy King received her MFA from Brooklyn College in 2000 and a MacArthur Scholarship for Poetry in 1999. She is the author of a Pavement Saw Press chapbook, The People Instruments, and her poems have appeared in numerous print and on-line journals, including Aufgabe, Combo, Shampoo, Skanky Possum, and Tarpaulin Sky. Amy co-edits Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics with Christophe Casamassima. Her pamphlet in the Serial Pamphleteer Editions is forthcoming from Furniture Press. Deborah Poe has lived in Paris, Austin, Taos, Houston, various places in and around Seattle, and now resides in New York state. She was last seen in Washington with an Atlas mover and a diploma that identifies her as a Master of Arts recipient. She's in New York to begin her PhD. She is working on completing her first collection of poems to submit by September. Poems and reviews have, or are forthcoming, in Solo Magazine, Jeopardy, Bellingham Zen, Poetry Midwest, and Snow Monkey. Deborah's chapbook ,,clitoris,, ,,vulva,, ,,penis,, was published in April 2004 by Furniture Press. Minas Gallery (at Hampden) 815 W. 36th Street Baltimore, MD 21211 =85will be followed by a walk to Fraser=92s on the Avenue for a few = rounds of draught & conversation. furniture_press@graffiti.net - or - 410.718.6574 -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:52:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Recall: Correction :: Furniture Press Reading August 29th MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Minky Starshine would like to recall the message, "Correction :: = Furniture Press Reading August 29th". ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 17:59:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nathaniel Siegel Subject: poets for PEACE reading invitation to read Wed Sept 1 2004 BPC NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All: Hello ! This is an Open Invitation to All Poets to Read on Wednesday Sept 1, 2004 at the Bowery Poetry Club in New York City from 5-7pm as "poets for PEACE." Readers who have RSVP'd to date include: Bethany Spiers, Cat Tyc, Tomomi "Suh-Bay" Sano, P.A. Weisman, Christopher Rizzo, Mark Lamoureux, Christina Strong, Sean Cole, Chris Bullock, Christopher Stackhouse, Merry Fortune, Steve Dalachinsky, Richard Tayson, Richard Newman, David Kirschenbaum, and Erica Kaufman. If you would like to participate, please email me at nathanielsiegel@aol.com. A copy of the invitation can be found in Issue 18 August 2004 of BOOG CITY A Community Newspaper From a Group of Artists and Writers Based In and Around New York City's East Village. Following the reading we will proceed to St. Mark's Church for DEMO: A DEMONSTRATION IN WORDS at 8pm. Thank you in advance ! peace Nathaniel A. Siegel "poets for PEACE" poets against the war POETRY IS NEWS Bowery Poetry Club is located at 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston, across from CBGB) NY NY 10013 Following the reading we will proceed ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:50:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Saturday, June 26, 2004 If I missed a lot of good papers I managed to coax a few out of my fellow colonists. Tim Gray, who works at the College of Staten Island with my friend Sarah Schulman, gave a paper on Morris Graves that was excellent, showing not only the extent that his Graves' painting influenced a range of West Coast painters, including Rexroth, Ferlinghetti, Gary Snyder, William Everson, but also made a call for a new way of looking at West Coast poetry that would recognize painting as an integral part of the writing, the way we interchange the poets and painters of the New York School. I guess for this argument to work you have to produce some powerful West Coast painters and more and more Morris Graves had come into my world, as Kylie Minogue might have said. Tim had some super handouts, Xeroxes of some Graves paintings that knocked my socks off. Sometime in the early 50s Jack Spicer went to a Graves exhibition and wrote "Hibernation" in tribute to Graves' painting with that title. Hibernation-After Morris Graves Deeper than sleep, but in a room as narrow The mind turns off its longings one by one, Lets beautiful black fingers snap the last one, Remove the self and lie its body down. The Future chills the sky above the chamber. The Past gnaws through the earth below the bed. But here the naked Present lies as warmly As if it rested in the lap of God. Happily Tim has established that Graves' "Hibernation" was painted in Ireland in 1953-4, so there's no use assigning Spicer's tribute poem to an earlier date than that, thank God for small mercies. If anyone is interested the new Clear Cut Anthology has a great memoir by Wesley Wehr about his relationship with Graves, Mark Tobey, and other leading lights of the Seattle school in the immediate post war period. Anyway that's one talk (part of a panel on "Poetry and the War Resisters Internment Corps") that I'm sorry I missed. All right Tim. (Since coming back from Maine, I've heard from Matthew Stadler that Wesley Wehr died, very suddenly, and won't be finishing his memoir of the period after all, though a lot of work was done on it. Hopefully his papers will be transferred to some Northwestern Archive, including the autobiographical writings.) Later that Saturday night I asked Brian Reed what the feeling was in Seattle about Graves and if there had been much interchange with Theodore Roethke. I liked meeting Reed quite a bit, he says he did his graduate work at Stanford and even that I couldn't really hold against him. I was thinking to myself, of all the resources there in the room! But if I understood him correctly there are two camps in Seattle and one of them holds that Roethke was the great creative genius, the other goes for Graves, and that not a little of the gay-straight split fuels the vociferousness of these two opinions. Reed says you can actually visit Roethke's house, how weird is that. Possibly you would get a sense about how and why the work was done the way it was. One time I got to prowl through the rank basement apartment on California Street at Van Ness where Spicer wrote The Holy Grail, and it all came alive to me in a way I hadn't anticipated, I almost felt him tangibly, the outlines of a ghost, maybe his. Anyhow I began to think that what I wanted more of at this conference was an account of how poetry and the visual arts influenced each other in this decade. There must have been enormous interchange, but only rarely did I hear anything about it directly. (Such as in Tim Gray's paper.) Maybe it's a San Francisco thing, our paradigmatic couple being Robert Duncan, a poet, always paired with Jess Collins, the painter, that we see things in this binary way that isn't really the case elsewhere? And indeed sometimes I get tired of always hearing about the porousness of Duncan and Jess and how they were really two sides of the same creative mind. A little of that-I mean a lot of that-goes a long way. But elsewhere in the Conference I found that most of the scholars were ignoring the visual arts big time. My own, 8:30 panel was called "The Northern California Poetry Scene in the 1940s." It featured a paper on the folklorist and anthropologist Jaime de Angulo by Rick Seddon from New Mexico. Rick gave us a picture of De Angulo as "shaman-like but not a shaman," so much was clear. I did not realize that De Angulo was a medical doctor from Johns Hopkins and isn't that where Gertrude Stein went to school? There's something I find antipathetic about De Angulo, and maybe it's his western ways. He didn't really seem to like anything very much, and his letters are amusing for his lack of interest in what the other person is all about. He mentions to Pound in every letter, "I have never read your poetry and I have never read any poetry except for my own." Seddon concentrated on the relations between De Angulo and Robinson Jeffers, new material to me and (I missed the dates) something that had occurred way back in the 1920s I guess? Kelly Holt, who is editing the Spicer letters with me, acted on a tip Andrew Schelling passed along and re-covered a lot of interesting material in the De Angulo papers at UC Santa Cruz, connecting De Angulo with Spicer and Duncan in the immediate postwar period in which Spicer studied informally with De Angulo in the spring of 1947 and in which, slightly later, Duncan became his secretary and typist in the rough final period when he was basically wasting away from cancer. Between Duncan's "A Crissmuss Pome For Haimee," and Spicer's "An Answer to Jaime," I get the picture that De Angelo's strangeness and eccentricity provoked both poets; they don't seem really to have cared for him all that much, perhaps he was too strange? (Duncan later spoke of De Angulo as being a pioneer of the transgender movement, as the drugs he took for his illness, hormonal in nature, gave him certain opposite-sex characteristic which blended bizarrely with his he-man image. It was his exposure as a nurse to these same drugs that encouraged the GI who became Christine Jorgensen to continue down the path towards becoming a woman, at roughly the same period.) If De Angulo encouraged the young poets of Berkeley to secede California from the rest of the world, I don't know if he helped them or hurt them. Duncan's "Crissmuss Pome" (which is in manuscript at the De Angulo papers) must be from 1948? Its very first word is "Wallace," and it sure isn't Wallace Stevens. (Maybe that's coy, of course I mean it's an allusion to the socialist candidate Henry Wallace who ran in the 1948 election.) Wallace yawk yawk yawk Yawk Russia yawk yawk yawk yawk freedom of yawk yawk he's a fashist [sic] yawk yawk Kimberly Bird, the young woman who had interviewed Carl Rakosi at length for Cal's Oral History Project, gave an interesting talk on Kenneth Rexroth and his movement away from broad-based social causes into a more private, domestic poetry during the course of the 1940s, mirroring to a great extent the "privatization" of US poetry as a whole. What the paper did was exemplary, linking the isolated project of one atypical American poet with that of the nation, and testing the theory in various ways. Smart, savvy, and very chic, La Bird "came to the conference with her mother!" one young fellow whispered to me, speaking for a whole slew of amorous horndogs who, blown away by Bird's exquisite, California good looks, had flattered themselves into perhaps believing they might really have had a chance with her if only she hadn't brought along her mother as cicerone. What men will believe! I didn't get to meet the mother myself. But I hope this will start a trend and I can meet more parents of scholars, survey their puzzlement and pride. My own contribution to the panel was a diminished one because I had originally hoped to "present" with Peter Gizzi, who as it turned out couldn't come after all. We were calling the talk, "Editing Jack Spicer," and my allocation of the talk clocked in at about 9 minutes. To fill out the remainder of the time I widened the talk to announce some recent discoveries we have made, and read from a poem, "Night shades crawl," which we have found inside a book which Spicer is now believed to have worked on as a ghostwriter, a novel published by a "mainstream press" as they say, in the year 1961. (The exact extent of Spicer's help on his pal's novel has yet to be determined or confirmed.) The novel's ostensible author is still alive, apparently, and I wonder if I could get him to talk about it for the record. My readers will appreciate how delicate such an interview would be . . . Gee, Mr. X, did you really pay Jack Spicer fifty dollars to write a whole novel for you? Well, we'll see. Certainly I've asked questions more indelicate yet. Also I mentioned the possibility that Spicer's 1964 poem, "A redwood forest is not invisible at night," might also come from another sequence besides "Thing Language" in which it was published in 1965 (LANGUAGE). I'm getting the feeling that Spicer worked simultaneously at several different projects, and that any particular lyric might have been used to fit a hole in a sequence, though not necessarily intended originally as part of that sequence-i.e., a more workmanlike approach to poesis than the "dictated" seer that Blaser has written about in "The Practice to Outside," the afterword to the 1975 edition of the COLLECTED BOOKS OF JACK SPICER. It would have been a better presentation with Peter in it, but c'est la vie! Afterwards several consulted me with suggestions about what to do with my editing problems. Steve Shoemaker talked about the visionary editing practice of Jerome McGann at the University of Virginia-and he wasn't the only one. Steve Fredman was very supportive and helpful. At this point in my notes, which I transcribed from notes I wrote on my jeans, I see that Wallace Stevens somewhere said, "In the face of an overwhelming actuality, consciousness takes the place of the imagination." Was this something J. Hillis Miller shared with me? Or was it someone in the audience at my panel? I wrote the word AIDS next to the quote, thinking, what? That this was the overwhelming actuality that had occurred in my lifetime. Had consciousness then taken the place of the imagination, I can't decide. Sometimes I think yes, sometimes no. Following my paper I went to another plenary to hear Alan Filreis from the Kelly Writers House in Philadelphia talking about "Modernism and Anticommunism in the 1940s." His paper was always amusing and filled with good jokes. Basically he had found an amazing trove of anti-Communist material which suggested that, in the minds of many poets and scholars of the postwar period, Communism had infiltrated Modernism and that it was time to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Thus there were a number of "Purity Leagues" and "Red Squads" among the poetry world, magazines determined to wipe out modernism and return poetry to its Georgian roots. Filreis quoted from many editorials and also the private correspondence of the magazine editors. They weren't all dopes either, he made that clear, the way that Whittaker Chambers was no dope and actually did know quite a lot about poetry. These guys were determined to get rid of Modernism and they nearly did, at least in the 1950s they had thinned it out to a mere white paste of Robert Frost and Scott Fitzgerald and other "safe" writers they could parade around on State Department money and brag that the US always respected the rights of intellectuals. Ha! And he (Al Filreis) had penetrated the archives of Poetry Magazine and seen how Jackson Mac Low had often submitted his work to them, and he'd seen the internal memos on the sides of Jackson's query letter and the handwriting was like (I paraphrase) "Don't print anything by this Communist agent." Then I had lunch with Alan Gilbert. No, first Carla Billittieri drove me and Alan back to her house in Old Town, because Alan needed to pick up the slides he had prepared for his lecture. I first met Carla in Orono, I bet she didn't have an inkling of an idea that one day she would be living there permanently! She is brilliant, chic, and very tough, and says what she thinks which I always appreciate. I must have looked tired because as soon as we were inside her place, she's all like, Kevin come in and sit down and what would you like to eat? I said that me and Alan were going out to eat. Yes but, she insisted, sit down now. We sat around the kitchen table and Carla pulled out a big tub of blueberries, big as scarabs. She said in Maine they're cheap, like candy in Mexico City. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:23:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gloria Frym Subject: Re: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 7 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Kevin, Thank you for posting your terrific, ecumenical impressions of the Orono Conference. 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Unlikelystories.org, the astonishingly whiny and petulant source for culture and the arts, has once again updated! The August 1st update features: Political commentary (sort of) by Bill Berry A discussion of George Clinton by Luke Buckham Short fiction by Rob Rosen, Corey Mesler, Dan Schneider, Norman A. Rubin and Bob Church Poetry by Lyn Lifshin, Lawrence Welsh, Donna Kuhn, Jonathan Hayes, Joseph Veronneau, Lisa Marie Zaran, David Christian Stanfield, Andrew Michael Hranek and Andrew MacArthur And episode eighteen of A Sardine on Vacation Our store has been expanded, so visit the site for a ream (well, several pages) of great reading and the all-important WWID t-shirt. Whatever you do, DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE! -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:46:39 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Poll Shows 70% Of Americans Reluctant To Change Killers In Midstream Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Muslim Nations Want Fewer U.S. Occupiers In Iraq In Exchange For U.S. Corporations Bogarting Energy Straw: Ready to Talk Long Term Oil Arrangement In Exchange For American Pullout: 'Compassionate Conservatives', Who Say They Resent Smart Assed City Slickers Ridiculing The Village Idiot, Are Poised To Vote For Bush By BARRY BARRY SCREWED New Poll Shows 70% Of Americans Reluctant To Change Killers In Midstream: Cheney And Rumsfeld Show Real 'Bloodlust' Voters Say; Targeting Oil And Natural Gas a Real Vote Getter: "Terror is losing their possessions. They're so far gone, as the 9/11 hearings showed, losing loved ones comes as a devastating afterthought. Otherwise Americans would give some thought in advance to what U.S. policy does to other people around the globe all in the name of maintaining their lifestyle---their possessions." By EDWARD BERNAYS & TOD KRIPPLE They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. 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millenium millenium office la! la! office ah! ah! office la! ah! office microsoft ah! microsoft la! _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:00:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: monument MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed monument siberia 1939 west virginia 1920 now among others < dead > catastrophic today the alert went up again we're in for it walking down the street pre-emptive monuments while there's still time disappearing in the meltdown of wires http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/monument.mov */greatly reduced and compressed/* new york city 9/11 8/2 infinity monument of new york city _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:26:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: the need for fury among animals and others MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lemmy caution eats furry animals in alphaville tired saxophones walk dazedly we are controlled by control too many furry animals devouring the landscapes & seascapes too many bad ideas to escape from i am becoming ex/ tinct i escape on a seahorse toward shore too much fury too much control too much................................................ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:27:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Five Letters from Another Empire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some really lovely stuff in that one ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:38:38 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a majority of one..... nite..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 04:01:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: WolfTC.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed WolfTC.mov http://www.asondheim.org/WolfTC.mov this is 115 megabytes, and won't be up for too long. if you want to see a full-sized example of the recent work, this is it. only for broadband - Alan ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:34:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: coby tucker Subject: Plot as Resolution Effect In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Was reading this interview with Brad Senning in a recent Potomac and wondered if anyone knows a sourcebook for plot devices. It seems that something interesting is being said here, I'm just missing the basics. Aside from that, can anybody point me to fiction writers doing interesting things nowadays with plot? I'm hearing about Pynchon here for the first time. Godard? Beckett? There's so much yet to read. Coby Tucker The traditional love story has a part where two people meet, then a conflict, then a resolution. If it’s a twisted love story, three people meet instead of two. If it’s a comedy, there’s a conflict, resolution, conflict, resolution, conflict, resolution, etc. If you’re going to write a comedy sketch, you’ve gotta have some rat feces in there. These are hard and fast rules. The trick is telling a story that follows the effects of a formula without following the formula itself. Or not the trick, but the preoccupation, it seems. Or I don’t know if it’s preoccupation, but people certainly think about it a lot. Film-makers, writers and artists. All seem to work from within, while reacting against, time-honored formulas. It could be inverting the formula (Godard did everything the film academy said he couldn’t do—close-ups with a wide-angle lens, shooting action against a white background), or evading the formula (Beckett teased audiences with a plot that never moved forward). But no matter how good an artist is, the formula is still there in some trace form or another. The conflict in a Thomas Pynchon love story may be a man wondering if the woman he’s seeing allows other men to put a finger in her anus, but it’s a conflict all the same. For me, it was around the time I started getting a series of past due notices in the mail that I realized plot is a series of attention-grabbing moments. This is the formula I’m most interested in, and I will continue to not pay my bills if only to study it. It may be that the plot is the place where the motives of the characters and the motives of the story converge, but it’s also simply the story’s repeated focus. As when staring at a shape for awhile means the shape goes everywhere you look. In a detective story, the clues the private eye uncovers in a steadily revealed plot are symbolic repetitions of the original murder, and the story maintains its plot by way of this repetition. Similarly, in a Hitchcock film, the plot to poison someone is illustrated by showing a close-up of the drink, then a still shot of the drink, then a shot of two people talking tensely through the cavity of the glass. So that repetition is the key ingredient in the suggestion of plot. As soon as I realized this, I began to write very short pieces in which a repeated word or phrase would create the same effect as a traditional plot. As for resolution in a story like this, I mean it to have more like a “resolution effect,” as when a man and a woman having a fight are next seen having sex. A resolution, as when the fat lady sings or the cannons go off in the symphony hall, is not so much real as understood, through expectations of closure as much as anything else. And right now this is a fun thing to play with. Whether or not I can sustain something like this for an entire novel about breakfast, there are a lot of questions about whether the subject of breakfast is worth a novel. Or whether or not ten days from now I’ll be interested in lunch. In the meantime, I’m eating a lot, because I believe in researching my topics. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:17:11 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Roger Day Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Interesting that you pluck the word "boring" from the last paragraph of my missive - a phrase clearly intended as descriptive of this thread - and apply it to the contributors to chidesthingey. You do this misreading stuff really well, you know. Adieu, dear friend, adieu. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 31/07/2004 01:43 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Oh Roger, this is sad. I have noticed, over the years, what a nice guy you are, but I am not looking for sympathy, I simply can't raise any of these issues on brit-based fora because I've become effectively gagged on them by people from overseas, for the most part. I am not nationalistic, am devoid of racism, have impeccable left-wing credentials, but find myself getting caricatured as some kind of mad nationalist by members of the literary bourgeoisie. To talk in the English style, I am seriously pissed off by this. Various people can do predictable double acts to screw me up, but that it seems is ok, bollocks can be put out as representing left-wing views (it's ok, they mean nothing, say the powers that be) and in the meantime .... well I dunno, there's this sort of space! btw a lot of the boring writers in A Chide's Alphabet are on this list so maybe you could tell them how dull they are. David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me To be clear about my part. I suggested that you should raise these issues in a British forum because there, in all possibility, you would at least get some sympathy. And, lo and behold, it's as I predicted: all you've gained so far is some well deserved opprobrium, modulo the invisible back-channelers of course. In fact, Alan seems to be strenghthened by the renewed interest you've stirred - and may the force be with him, I say. You seem to have acted as a marketing agent for Alan - very generous of you, if I may say so. Sadly, it has left me with the feeling that someone who I had hitherto respected, seems to have come up with a streak of wooliness. Although, with a few exceptions, I never wholly liked the content of chides whatsits, it seemed a worthy endeavour and well produced. As to the Brit forums, well, what can I say. You seem to have laden yourself with a passle of hassle, if I may say so. But, really, I couldn't give two hoots. However, I also suggested that you complain directly to tRace but they wouldn't, in all probability, give you a hearing either. I wouldn't really blame them either, given that you go around dissing them in public. Barring the Daily Mail - have you tried writing to them? - there is, I suppose, another way: tRace's funders, who are, in all likelihood, the English Arts Council, but you'd have to do some legwork to ascertain this. At a guess, tRace's funders might - if you presented a substantial case - give you a decent hearing. But hey, this is what *I* would do if I wanted to do something about it. But, as Robin says, enough already. This wearied me the first time round. Now it's just boring. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 30/07/2004 05:27 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Hi Rob isn't this all complicated!? My suspicion is that most of these matters arise from mistake, not deliberate venom, although sometimes one cannot be quite sure. Roger Day, quite innocently I am sure, suggested that I should raise these matters about arts funding in our local region on a certain British based list, while Rebecca Seifeirle followed up with remarks about my posts being screened there, whereas the truth of the matter is, although my posts are under review, for reasons that are not quite explicable, as you know, nothing I post to that list, of +any+ nature, will appear as both list owners seem to have gone into absentia so I might as well be talking into a black hole. It sort of undermines the logic of review status if nobody's reviewing the posts. This kind of death by silence is what seems to characterise the UK arts scene but one is never quite sure whether the murders are deliberate or not. But, I can say with certainty, that only a small number of people have access to the 'pot' here, one sees the same names crop up again and again, they are not necessarily the best writers in the region, I can think of many gifted people who are completely shut out, but they, the ever recurring names that is, are the most adept are manipulating funding. Alan's unfortunate remarks about Incubation were so way off the mark - of course I don't have hard copies of the mag - but also Incubation costs a fortune to attend - a little fact that Alan omits to mention. I've long gone past being angry about all this stuff, just miserably resigned to reality. From here among the what one must not mention Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me Alan Sondheim commenting on dave bircumshaw, East Midlands arts funding, and the whole brouhaha ... > As far as not participating - if you were at Incubation (I must suppose > you were, garnering support for your magazine - why wasn't it offered at > the book table - perhaps I missed it) There have been three issues of A Chide's Alphabet, all originally virtual and only Chide1 is available in hardcopy. (Anyone who wants a (hard)copy of Chide1 backchannel me -- I've got plenty. It's not dave's fault that Chides 2 and 3 never made hardcopy -- entirely due to my incompetance.) There's a problem-of-communication when it comes to discussing the structural funding of poetry in USAmerica and Britain (and even that needs to be unteased, given that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland {add in Eire} differ quite considerably. Leave aside Canada, Australia and New Zealand, to mention only a few). The name of the game in the US is MFA -- simply doesn't exist here, or not enough to make a living from. Early on, I decided that there were only two ways to play the funding game -- you did it seriously, and I admire the ones who can do this. ... or you took no money from ANYONE. I'm not sure at what point it became feasible to print your own book or magazine, run a publishing house on peanuts. Maybe about five years ago when technology encountered the fading rose, and all you had to do was lash together a laser printer, a copy of Word, and a Dahle 515 guillotine. A tube of PVA glue and a blunt knife to score the covers. The only complicated bit I found with this was working-out the algorithm for paginating in Word if you were doing double-sided printing. So, OK, i confess to a bit of special interest here -- I don't like TrAce, which always struck me, though I'm assuredly biased, as a pack of wittering third-rate Nottingham-Trent academics playing ego games. And I've published a fair bit in _The Coffee House_, which does get money from EMA. So when it comes to the East Midlands debacle, I'm probably the absolute pig-in-the-middle. Enough, already. :-( Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:28:13 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, Belladonna Listserv , nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu, whpoets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: To construct a community: Tucson & the work of Tenney Nathanson Spring & All, Roots and Branches and Charles Bernstein's The Sophist To construct a book: The pterodactyl in the garden (Charles Bernstein's The Sophist) The text, the beloved? Charles Bernstein's The Simply (is not) - Opening The Sophist Getting ready (or not) for The Sophist Ron Silliman - forthcoming readings Seattle, NYC, SF, Lawrence Kansas, Philly & DC What happens when you read poetry for the very first time? English as percussion - On Clark Coolidge's ear Blogging & public intellectuals - The New York Review of Books: Stillborn again What is the role of expectation in art? An MFA student asks where to begin http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ontological Subject: The Blueprint Series Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable O N T O L O G I C A L T H E A T E R AT S T. M A R K S 131 East 10th Street 212.420.1916 www.ontological.com Contact: Joshua Briggs Brian PJ Cronin Curators "It seems to me that the most important thing in making art is courage. With the Blueprint Series, we are trying to provide an arena where that can take place." ~ Richard Foreman THE ONTOLOGICAL THEATER PRESENTS THE TWELFTH ANNUAL OBIE-AWARD WINNING BLUEPRINT SERIES A CELEBRATION OF EXPERIMENTAL THEATER DIRECTORS. AUGUST 4TH THROUGH AUGUST 15TH=20 Every summer, The Ontological-Hysteric Theater takes great pleasure in introducing the New York theater community to four exciting and innovative new artists. This year is no different. We once again bring you The Blueprint Series, our annual forum for theatrical exploration and experimentation. The Blueprint Series is a forum for directors to create, interact, and learn from one another. Working together, the artists push each other to discover their own unique theatrical voices. We are proud to finally unveil the four directors who will make up The 12th annual Blueprint Series. The 2004 directors are Kenneth Collins, Sam Hunter= , Beth Kurkjian, and Keith Mayerson. Chosen by Artistic Director Richard Foreman and curators Joshua Briggs and Brian PJ Cronin, the directors will present four 40 minute works running in repertory. The festival runs Wednesdays through Sundays, from August 4th through August 15th, at 8:00pm at the Ontological Theater, located at Saint Mark's Church at the corner of Second Avenue and 10th Street. For information and reservations call (212) 533-4650. =20 In Contingent, Kenneth Collins presents the second in his series of "box projects," this time using David Markson=B9s Reader=B9s Block for inspiration. Sam Hunter=B9s Abraham (A Shot in the Head) re-explores a Biblical tale with the reminder that together, Christians and Muslims comprise roughly 55% of the world's population. In Crochet: I Dream Ballet., Beth Kurkjian uses fairytales, senior citizen line-dancing and bridal showers to ask the question: who will win the tetherball match? And in Keith Mayerson=B9s A Chil= d is Being Beaten, individual agency is brought into question as Girl, Woman, Postman, Bobby, and the mysterious narrator interact with one another in startling ways. The Blueprint Series Curated by Joshua Briggs and Brian PJ Cronin The Ontological Theater at Saint Mark's Church Second Avenue and 10th Street =20 Featuring works directed by Kenneth Collins, Sam Hunter, Beth Kurkjian= , Keith Mayerson Opens: Wednesday, August 4th Closes: Sunday, August 15th Schedule Wednesday through Sunday at 8 p.m. Two shows each evening -- see below Admission: $10 Reservations: 212.533.4650. Call for schedule of shows, or visit www.ontological.com Contingent=20 Directed by Kenneth Collins =20 Contingent is the second in a series of "box projects". In this minimalist chamber theater experiment, performers are isolated in large wooden boxes, with just enough room to stand in. The boxes are lined inside with fluorescent lights for illumination and the text is performed entirely over microphones from inside the box, behind its plexiglass front. Kenneth Sean Collins is the Artistic Director of the experimental performance group Temporary distortion (www.temporarydistortion.com). For the past seven years, his focus has been on the development of small multidisciplinary chamber-like performance pieces, utilizing unique nonlinear juxtapositions of text, image, and sound. He is also a part of the administrative staff at the Lincoln Center Theater and a member of the Lincoln Center Theater Directors Lab. Abraham (A Shot in the Head) Written and Directed by Sam Hunter With Original Music by Ben Hunter Here I am. There are over three and twenty six million cubic miles of wate= r on the Earth. There are over 2 billion Christians. There are over 1.3 billion Muslims. There are a bit over 1 million neo-Pagans. The Crusades claimed somewhere between two and five million lives. The estimated civilian death toll in the current Iraq war is somewhere between nine and twelve thousand and rising. Here I am. Sam Hunter grew up in Moscow, Idaho before moving to New York in 2000 to attend NYU, where he has just received his BFA in Playwriting. He has been produced twice at Manhattan Theatre Source (in 2003 with "Radioplay" and again in 2004 with "American Triptych") and has had several staged readings of his newest full length play, "Norman Rockwell Killed My Father". In the Fall he will begin working toward his MFA in Playwriting at the Iowa Playwright=B9s Workshop. He is a recipient of a John Golden Playwriting Priz= e and an Iowa Arts Fellowship. Crochet: I Dream Ballet Written and directed by Beth Kurkjian Crochet: I Dream Ballet explores intimate and bizarre cross-sections of female youth and senescence. This dream ballet is filled with splintered movement and text; the costumes and set pieces are crocheted in baby blanke= t hues. Material has been inspired by fairytales, senior citizen line-dancing= , bridal showers, and the performers=B9 own experiences. Who will win the tetherball match? Beth Kurkjian has performed in NYC in: I cancan 2, a duet choreographed and performed by Johanna Meyer (The Kitchen); Cape Cod, a solo performance (Ontological); Lapse by Ken Nintzel (Whitney/Altria, PS 122); Saint Latrice by Juliana Francis (PS 122); non/fiction, a solo performance (PS 122); Pickford, a one-woman show (Ontological); Centaur Feat, a solo performance (Ontological, five myles, Phat Tuesdays); Pageant by Ken Nintzel (Ontological & HERE); Tilly Losch and The Field of Mars (GAle GAtes). In Kirsten Kearse=B9s short film, Horsefingers, she played Emma. Beth is a PhD student in the Performance Studies Department at NYU. A Child is Being Beaten Written and Directed by Keith Mayerson A Child Is Being Beaten is a dark comedy about the nuclear family with themes of apocalypse, elegy, carnivalesque all wrapped up in one giant enchilada, hard to bite into but juicy and fulfilling in the center. The first act of a two part play, the crunchy core of the narrative will be sur= e to delight and inspire, shock and awe, repulse and engage. =20 Keith Mayerson is an artist and playwright living in New York City. His artwork, narrative based paintings and drawings based on plays and screenplays hung like storyboards, stain-glassed windows, or comics, have been shown in one-person shows at Derek Eller Gallery and Jay Gorney Moder= n Art in New York, and as part of group exhibitions including I-20 Gallery, Elizabeth Dee Gallery, Nicole Klagsbrun Gallery, D=B9Amelio Terras Gallery, The Drawing Center, as well as many others He has also published a graphic novel, Horror Hospital Unplugged, a collaboration with Dennis Cooper. Keith also enjoys teaching art, theory, and comics at New York University and the School of Visual Arts. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:28:09 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger I noticed I'd transposed the 'boring' epithet a little while after the message was posted but by then my e-mail had locked up for a while and other things distracted, da-dah-dee-da. It is interesting how about the way e-mail conversations are taken (or mistaken) - I hold very much to the notion that the form is a hybrid of the written and the spoken, pardon the lack of definition in the terms, so that people often write e-mail as if they were talking face-to-face and also read it so, the result is that discussions that would cause no problems face-to-face become distorted via the legislative authority of the written. Hope this makes some sense! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me Interesting that you pluck the word "boring" from the last paragraph of my missive - a phrase clearly intended as descriptive of this thread - and apply it to the contributors to chidesthingey. You do this misreading stuff really well, you know. Adieu, dear friend, adieu. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 31/07/2004 01:43 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Oh Roger, this is sad. I have noticed, over the years, what a nice guy you are, but I am not looking for sympathy, I simply can't raise any of these issues on brit-based fora because I've become effectively gagged on them by people from overseas, for the most part. I am not nationalistic, am devoid of racism, have impeccable left-wing credentials, but find myself getting caricatured as some kind of mad nationalist by members of the literary bourgeoisie. To talk in the English style, I am seriously pissed off by this. Various people can do predictable double acts to screw me up, but that it seems is ok, bollocks can be put out as representing left-wing views (it's ok, they mean nothing, say the powers that be) and in the meantime .... well I dunno, there's this sort of space! btw a lot of the boring writers in A Chide's Alphabet are on this list so maybe you could tell them how dull they are. David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me To be clear about my part. I suggested that you should raise these issues in a British forum because there, in all possibility, you would at least get some sympathy. And, lo and behold, it's as I predicted: all you've gained so far is some well deserved opprobrium, modulo the invisible back-channelers of course. In fact, Alan seems to be strenghthened by the renewed interest you've stirred - and may the force be with him, I say. You seem to have acted as a marketing agent for Alan - very generous of you, if I may say so. Sadly, it has left me with the feeling that someone who I had hitherto respected, seems to have come up with a streak of wooliness. Although, with a few exceptions, I never wholly liked the content of chides whatsits, it seemed a worthy endeavour and well produced. As to the Brit forums, well, what can I say. You seem to have laden yourself with a passle of hassle, if I may say so. But, really, I couldn't give two hoots. However, I also suggested that you complain directly to tRace but they wouldn't, in all probability, give you a hearing either. I wouldn't really blame them either, given that you go around dissing them in public. Barring the Daily Mail - have you tried writing to them? - there is, I suppose, another way: tRace's funders, who are, in all likelihood, the English Arts Council, but you'd have to do some legwork to ascertain this. At a guess, tRace's funders might - if you presented a substantial case - give you a decent hearing. But hey, this is what *I* would do if I wanted to do something about it. But, as Robin says, enough already. This wearied me the first time round. Now it's just boring. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 30/07/2004 05:27 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Hi Rob isn't this all complicated!? My suspicion is that most of these matters arise from mistake, not deliberate venom, although sometimes one cannot be quite sure. Roger Day, quite innocently I am sure, suggested that I should raise these matters about arts funding in our local region on a certain British based list, while Rebecca Seifeirle followed up with remarks about my posts being screened there, whereas the truth of the matter is, although my posts are under review, for reasons that are not quite explicable, as you know, nothing I post to that list, of +any+ nature, will appear as both list owners seem to have gone into absentia so I might as well be talking into a black hole. It sort of undermines the logic of review status if nobody's reviewing the posts. This kind of death by silence is what seems to characterise the UK arts scene but one is never quite sure whether the murders are deliberate or not. But, I can say with certainty, that only a small number of people have access to the 'pot' here, one sees the same names crop up again and again, they are not necessarily the best writers in the region, I can think of many gifted people who are completely shut out, but they, the ever recurring names that is, are the most adept are manipulating funding. Alan's unfortunate remarks about Incubation were so way off the mark - of course I don't have hard copies of the mag - but also Incubation costs a fortune to attend - a little fact that Alan omits to mention. I've long gone past being angry about all this stuff, just miserably resigned to reality. From here among the what one must not mention Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me Alan Sondheim commenting on dave bircumshaw, East Midlands arts funding, and the whole brouhaha ... > As far as not participating - if you were at Incubation (I must suppose > you were, garnering support for your magazine - why wasn't it offered at > the book table - perhaps I missed it) There have been three issues of A Chide's Alphabet, all originally virtual and only Chide1 is available in hardcopy. (Anyone who wants a (hard)copy of Chide1 backchannel me -- I've got plenty. It's not dave's fault that Chides 2 and 3 never made hardcopy -- entirely due to my incompetance.) There's a problem-of-communication when it comes to discussing the structural funding of poetry in USAmerica and Britain (and even that needs to be unteased, given that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland {add in Eire} differ quite considerably. Leave aside Canada, Australia and New Zealand, to mention only a few). The name of the game in the US is MFA -- simply doesn't exist here, or not enough to make a living from. Early on, I decided that there were only two ways to play the funding game -- you did it seriously, and I admire the ones who can do this. ... or you took no money from ANYONE. I'm not sure at what point it became feasible to print your own book or magazine, run a publishing house on peanuts. Maybe about five years ago when technology encountered the fading rose, and all you had to do was lash together a laser printer, a copy of Word, and a Dahle 515 guillotine. A tube of PVA glue and a blunt knife to score the covers. The only complicated bit I found with this was working-out the algorithm for paginating in Word if you were doing double-sided printing. So, OK, i confess to a bit of special interest here -- I don't like TrAce, which always struck me, though I'm assuredly biased, as a pack of wittering third-rate Nottingham-Trent academics playing ego games. And I've published a fair bit in _The Coffee House_, which does get money from EMA. So when it comes to the East Midlands debacle, I'm probably the absolute pig-in-the-middle. Enough, already. :-( Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:31:05 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Five Letters from Another Empire MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Steve. It's the only poem of more than about a dozen lines I've done all year, nice to flex the muscles again. Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Dalachinksy" To: Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 6:27 AM Subject: Re: Five Letters from Another Empire some really lovely stuff in that one ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:44:07 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 8-02-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS LISTINGS Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just = Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at = mjk@justbuffalo.org. 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Her work has appeared in Paterson = Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of = the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled = notspeak. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the = registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP S[ECIOAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the spring membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a = special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of = $50 or more. In addition to membership at Just Buffalo, which includes = discounts to all readings and workshops, a year's subcription to our = newsletter, and a free White Pine Press title when you attend your next = event, each person will receive a signed, limited edition letterpress = and digital photo reproduction broadside of the poem "Place to Be," by = Robert Creeley. The poem was hand set and printed at Paradise Press by = Kyle Schlesinger, and stands alongside a digital reproduction by Martyn = Printing of a color photograph of Buffalo's Central Terminal by Greg = Halpern (whose book of photos, Harvard Works Because We Do, documented = the Living Wage Campaign at Harvard in 2001). Send check or money order = to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to = use your credit card. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:02:26 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Roger Day Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This thread - and the other ones leading up to it - has never made much sense to me. Toodle-pip Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 02/08/2004 14:28 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Roger I noticed I'd transposed the 'boring' epithet a little while after the message was posted but by then my e-mail had locked up for a while and other things distracted, da-dah-dee-da. It is interesting how about the way e-mail conversations are taken (or mistaken) - I hold very much to the notion that the form is a hybrid of the written and the spoken, pardon the lack of definition in the terms, so that people often write e-mail as if they were talking face-to-face and also read it so, the result is that discussions that would cause no problems face-to-face become distorted via the legislative authority of the written. Hope this makes some sense! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me Interesting that you pluck the word "boring" from the last paragraph of my missive - a phrase clearly intended as descriptive of this thread - and apply it to the contributors to chidesthingey. You do this misreading stuff really well, you know. Adieu, dear friend, adieu. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 31/07/2004 01:43 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Oh Roger, this is sad. I have noticed, over the years, what a nice guy you are, but I am not looking for sympathy, I simply can't raise any of these issues on brit-based fora because I've become effectively gagged on them by people from overseas, for the most part. I am not nationalistic, am devoid of racism, have impeccable left-wing credentials, but find myself getting caricatured as some kind of mad nationalist by members of the literary bourgeoisie. To talk in the English style, I am seriously pissed off by this. Various people can do predictable double acts to screw me up, but that it seems is ok, bollocks can be put out as representing left-wing views (it's ok, they mean nothing, say the powers that be) and in the meantime .... well I dunno, there's this sort of space! btw a lot of the boring writers in A Chide's Alphabet are on this list so maybe you could tell them how dull they are. David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Day" To: Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me To be clear about my part. I suggested that you should raise these issues in a British forum because there, in all possibility, you would at least get some sympathy. And, lo and behold, it's as I predicted: all you've gained so far is some well deserved opprobrium, modulo the invisible back-channelers of course. In fact, Alan seems to be strenghthened by the renewed interest you've stirred - and may the force be with him, I say. You seem to have acted as a marketing agent for Alan - very generous of you, if I may say so. Sadly, it has left me with the feeling that someone who I had hitherto respected, seems to have come up with a streak of wooliness. Although, with a few exceptions, I never wholly liked the content of chides whatsits, it seemed a worthy endeavour and well produced. As to the Brit forums, well, what can I say. You seem to have laden yourself with a passle of hassle, if I may say so. But, really, I couldn't give two hoots. However, I also suggested that you complain directly to tRace but they wouldn't, in all probability, give you a hearing either. I wouldn't really blame them either, given that you go around dissing them in public. Barring the Daily Mail - have you tried writing to them? - there is, I suppose, another way: tRace's funders, who are, in all likelihood, the English Arts Council, but you'd have to do some legwork to ascertain this. At a guess, tRace's funders might - if you presented a substantial case - give you a decent hearing. But hey, this is what *I* would do if I wanted to do something about it. But, as Robin says, enough already. This wearied me the first time round. Now it's just boring. Roger. "david.bircumshaw" cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me discussion group 30/07/2004 05:27 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Hi Rob isn't this all complicated!? My suspicion is that most of these matters arise from mistake, not deliberate venom, although sometimes one cannot be quite sure. Roger Day, quite innocently I am sure, suggested that I should raise these matters about arts funding in our local region on a certain British based list, while Rebecca Seifeirle followed up with remarks about my posts being screened there, whereas the truth of the matter is, although my posts are under review, for reasons that are not quite explicable, as you know, nothing I post to that list, of +any+ nature, will appear as both list owners seem to have gone into absentia so I might as well be talking into a black hole. It sort of undermines the logic of review status if nobody's reviewing the posts. This kind of death by silence is what seems to characterise the UK arts scene but one is never quite sure whether the murders are deliberate or not. But, I can say with certainty, that only a small number of people have access to the 'pot' here, one sees the same names crop up again and again, they are not necessarily the best writers in the region, I can think of many gifted people who are completely shut out, but they, the ever recurring names that is, are the most adept are manipulating funding. Alan's unfortunate remarks about Incubation were so way off the mark - of course I don't have hard copies of the mag - but also Incubation costs a fortune to attend - a little fact that Alan omits to mention. I've long gone past being angry about all this stuff, just miserably resigned to reality. From here among the what one must not mention Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Hamilton" To: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Ah Dear Me Alan Sondheim commenting on dave bircumshaw, East Midlands arts funding, and the whole brouhaha ... > As far as not participating - if you were at Incubation (I must suppose > you were, garnering support for your magazine - why wasn't it offered at > the book table - perhaps I missed it) There have been three issues of A Chide's Alphabet, all originally virtual and only Chide1 is available in hardcopy. (Anyone who wants a (hard)copy of Chide1 backchannel me -- I've got plenty. It's not dave's fault that Chides 2 and 3 never made hardcopy -- entirely due to my incompetance.) There's a problem-of-communication when it comes to discussing the structural funding of poetry in USAmerica and Britain (and even that needs to be unteased, given that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland {add in Eire} differ quite considerably. Leave aside Canada, Australia and New Zealand, to mention only a few). The name of the game in the US is MFA -- simply doesn't exist here, or not enough to make a living from. Early on, I decided that there were only two ways to play the funding game -- you did it seriously, and I admire the ones who can do this. ... or you took no money from ANYONE. I'm not sure at what point it became feasible to print your own book or magazine, run a publishing house on peanuts. Maybe about five years ago when technology encountered the fading rose, and all you had to do was lash together a laser printer, a copy of Word, and a Dahle 515 guillotine. A tube of PVA glue and a blunt knife to score the covers. The only complicated bit I found with this was working-out the algorithm for paginating in Word if you were doing double-sided printing. So, OK, i confess to a bit of special interest here -- I don't like TrAce, which always struck me, though I'm assuredly biased, as a pack of wittering third-rate Nottingham-Trent academics playing ego games. And I've published a fair bit in _The Coffee House_, which does get money from EMA. So when it comes to the East Midlands debacle, I'm probably the absolute pig-in-the-middle. Enough, already. :-( Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:22:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: no reading numbers this time Comments: To: ironweed_collective@lists.riseup.net, hoodnote@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Haven't you heard yet... this guy is the secretary of the interior bullshit because he feels like it. Peace Peace Peace 1 Thousand times as if Mother Earth depended upon it. A guy with a small very small amount of love to give. Ian VanHeusen Ps. very very very very very very very very very very very small _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:44:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: That banned teacher/poetry Good news/New Mexico/ Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable This is good news - except I cannot figure out if the teacher got his job back. Stephen V RIO RANCHO SCHOOL DISTRICT SETTLES FIRST AMENDMENT LAWSUIT WITH ALBUQUERQUE POETRY TEACHER BILL NEVINS Albuquerque, NM--Attorney Eric Sirotkin of Albuquerque announced today that the Federal First Amendment law suit he filed in September, 2003 on behalf of teacher Bill Nevins against the Rio Rancho (NM) School District has been settled. The settlement included a payment of $205,000.00 to Nevins and his attorney. The facts established during discovery in this case were that Bill Nevins, an Albuquerque poet, journalist, teacher, and teachers union (NEA-AFT) member, had created "a marketplace of ideas" in his Rio Rancho (NM) High School humanities classes and through the multicultural Write Club and Poetry Team which he organized and coached at the school administration's request in 2002-2003. Students, many of whom were "at-risk" challenged students and from cultural minorities, wrote and performed their original poems at school and in community poetry readings, with Nevins' encouragement. The students and Nevins were widely praised. Then, in late February, 2003, on the eve of the start of the Iraq War, one of Nevins's team members read over the school's televised public address system an original poem, "Revolution X", which contained criticism of US government spending priorities concerning education and war. The high school's Militar= y Liaison complained to the principal and demanded action, indicating in writing that whoever authorized the reading of the poem should be "horsewhipped". The student's poem was investigated by the RRHS administration and members of the poetry team were called in and questioned. A campus censorship polic= y was put in place that banned the reading of poetry over the address system and required teachers to screen both students and visiting authors for "controversial" views. Bill Nevins openly questioned that policy and encouraged his students to continue to read their poetry publicly. He was abruptly suspended from coaching and teaching in March, 2003, at a time whe= n President Bush declared, "You're either with us or against us". Nevins was banned from the RRHS campus and never permitted to return to teaching there= . In media interviews, Nevins challenged the school administration's actions towards him, students and the club as an affront to freedom of speech and a chilling of student creative expression. In May, 2003 Nevins was informed that his teaching contract would not be renewed. The school allowed one uncensored poem to be rea d at a flag raising ceremony that said Othose who stand for peace shut your faces. Following Nevins's removal, the RRHS Poetry Team disbanded, and to date no such team has been reinstated, as no faculty member has been willing to ste= p forward and sponsor it. As one student lamented =B3they seem to afraid. In September 2003, National Lawyers Guild attorney Eric Sirotkin, of Albuquerque, filed the case in court, claiming violations of Nevins's Constitutional rights. Nevins's case has received national and internationa= l media attention. A series of benefit poetry and music concerts were held across the USA in support of Nevins's free speech struggle, including a Jul= y 3 Independence Weekend show at New York's Bowery Poetry Club and shows in Santa Fe and Albuquerque, New Mexico and in New England. Support for Nevins's cause came in from the international writers' organization PEN, from the National Writers Union (of which Nevins is a member) and from dozens of prominent writers, in New Mexico and elsewhere, including folksinger Utah Phillips, Filipina novelist Jessica Hagedorn, songwriter Jenny Bird, poet Demetria Martinez, Cajun recording star Zachary Richard, rockers Larry Kirwan, Chris Byrne and Tuli Kupferberg and slam poetry heroe= s Saul Williams and Bob Holman. The NYC Irish-ro ck band The Ruffians played = a special concert to back Nevins, and messages of support have come in from Australia, Europe, Latin America and Africa. The experience of being a living symbol of defense of American Constitutional freedoms was made especially poignant for Nevins by the fact that his son has been a US Army soldier serving in combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq throughout the period of Nevins' prolonged struggle here in New Mexico. Attached are statements from Bill Nevins and His attorney. Nevins states that he is looking into establishing a foundation to encourage freedom of speech and that he intends to continue to encourage young poets to write an= d speak out freely. A special program for Young Poets arising out of the settlement will be announced at the Conference. _ _ _ STATEMENTS July 30, 2004 "The positive resolution of my case with Rio Rancho School District brings = a sense of relief that the Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the redress of grievances has been reaffirmed. I hope that this positive resolution will foster in our schools the spirit of a marketplace of free exchange of ideas and opinions which was present i= n my classes and in the Write Club and Poetry Team at Rio Rancho High School. I hope that students and teachers will be encouraged. I hope that the youthful voices of poetry, and the voices of the disadvantaged, the dissident and the dispossessed among us will continue to sing out without fear of censorship and intimidation, in Rio Rancho, throughout New Mexico, and everywhere. I pray that those voices may lead us all towards lasting justice and peace. I note that even the Rio Rancho High military liaison, in the course of discovery for this case, stated that he had undergone a change in attitude in the face of the losses we have suffered in the Iraq War. People can change, and change can be for the good. When I think of those of my students, especially those who are people of color and those who come from less financially-favored homes, I am filled with joyful memories of their writings and of their outspoken words raised to be heard in the Write Club and Poetry Team. I am filled with sadness to think that their voices could have been ignored or silenced by those in power and by those charged with their educational care. I do believe that such students inevitably will speak out, will sing out, again. They shall not be silenced. As the great African-American poet Langston Hughes wrote in his poem, "Democracy": "Democracy will not come today, this year, nor ever, through compromise and fear. Freedom is a strong seed planted in a great need." May that seed of freedom keep growing here in New Mexico." -- Bill Nevins _ _ _ This case is a victory for teachers everywhere who, in the current climate of fear, have grown silent in the face of censorship and calls for blind patriotism. Our nation=B9s greatest achievements have often come from those who dissented and were willing to question the status quo. Students are our future. Bill Nevins provided a forum for students to express themselves and question the world around them. To progress as a nation, we need more teachers willing to approach the central and often mos= t controversial issues of our day without fear of retribution. I hope this case can empower teachers, and send a message to students that there is justice -- even in the most trying of times. -- Eric Sirotkin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:54:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: tlrelf Subject: Re: That banned teacher/poetry Good news/New Mexico/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Like he'd want to go back to work for them>! I know I wouldn't...Then again...a good teacher is "for" the students...NOT the administration... Ter who appreciates your sending this along...I'll do a follow-up piece on it! This is good news - except I cannot figure out if the teacher got his job back. Stephen V RIO RANCHO SCHOOL DISTRICT SETTLES FIRST AMENDMENT LAWSUIT WITH ALBUQUERQUE POETRY TEACHER BILL NEVINS Albuquerque, NM--Attorney Eric Sirotkin of Albuquerque announced today that the Federal First Amendment law suit he filed in September, 2003 on behalf of teacher Bill Nevins against the Rio Rancho (NM) School District has been settled. The settlement included a payment of $205,000.00 to Nevins and his attorney. The facts established during discovery in this case were that Bill Nevins, an Albuquerque poet, journalist, teacher, and teachers union (NEA-AFT) member, had created "a marketplace of ideas" in his Rio Rancho (NM) High School humanities classes and through the multicultural Write Club and Poetry Team which he organized and coached at the school administration's request in 2002-2003. Students, many of whom were "at-risk" challenged students and from cultural minorities, wrote and performed their original poems at school and in community poetry readings, with Nevins' encouragement. The students and Nevins were widely praised. Then, in late February, 2003, on the eve of the start of the Iraq War, one of Nevins's team members read over the school's televised public address system an original poem, "Revolution X", which contained criticism of US government spending priorities concerning education and war. The high school's Military Liaison complained to the principal and demanded action, indicating in writing that whoever authorized the reading of the poem should be "horsewhipped". The student's poem was investigated by the RRHS administration and members of the poetry team were called in and questioned. A campus censorship policy was put in place that banned the reading of poetry over the address system and required teachers to screen both students and visiting authors for "controversial" views. Bill Nevins openly questioned that policy and encouraged his students to continue to read their poetry publicly. He was abruptly suspended from coaching and teaching in March, 2003, at a time when President Bush declared, "You're either with us or against us". Nevins was banned from the RRHS campus and never permitted to return to teaching there. In media interviews, Nevins challenged the school administration's actions towards him, students and the club as an affront to freedom of speech and a chilling of student creative expression. In May, 2003 Nevins was informed that his teaching contract would not be renewed. The school allowed one uncensored poem to be rea d at a flag raising ceremony that said Othose who stand for peace shut your faces. Following Nevins's removal, the RRHS Poetry Team disbanded, and to date no such team has been reinstated, as no faculty member has been willing to step forward and sponsor it. As one student lamented ³they seem to afraid. In September 2003, National Lawyers Guild attorney Eric Sirotkin, of Albuquerque, filed the case in court, claiming violations of Nevins's Constitutional rights. Nevins's case has received national and international media attention. A series of benefit poetry and music concerts were held across the USA in support of Nevins's free speech struggle, including a July 3 Independence Weekend show at New York's Bowery Poetry Club and shows in Santa Fe and Albuquerque, New Mexico and in New England. Support for Nevins's cause came in from the international writers' organization PEN, from the National Writers Union (of which Nevins is a member) and from dozens of prominent writers, in New Mexico and elsewhere, including folksinger Utah Phillips, Filipina novelist Jessica Hagedorn, songwriter Jenny Bird, poet Demetria Martinez, Cajun recording star Zachary Richard, rockers Larry Kirwan, Chris Byrne and Tuli Kupferberg and slam poetry heroes Saul Williams and Bob Holman. The NYC Irish-ro ck band The Ruffians played a special concert to back Nevins, and messages of support have come in from Australia, Europe, Latin America and Africa. The experience of being a living symbol of defense of American Constitutional freedoms was made especially poignant for Nevins by the fact that his son has been a US Army soldier serving in combat in both Afghanistan and Iraq throughout the period of Nevins' prolonged struggle here in New Mexico. Attached are statements from Bill Nevins and His attorney. Nevins states that he is looking into establishing a foundation to encourage freedom of speech and that he intends to continue to encourage young poets to write and speak out freely. A special program for Young Poets arising out of the settlement will be announced at the Conference. _ _ _ STATEMENTS July 30, 2004 "The positive resolution of my case with Rio Rancho School District brings a sense of relief that the Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the redress of grievances has been reaffirmed. I hope that this positive resolution will foster in our schools the spirit of a marketplace of free exchange of ideas and opinions which was present in my classes and in the Write Club and Poetry Team at Rio Rancho High School. I hope that students and teachers will be encouraged. I hope that the youthful voices of poetry, and the voices of the disadvantaged, the dissident and the dispossessed among us will continue to sing out without fear of censorship and intimidation, in Rio Rancho, throughout New Mexico, and everywhere. I pray that those voices may lead us all towards lasting justice and peace. I note that even the Rio Rancho High military liaison, in the course of discovery for this case, stated that he had undergone a change in attitude in the face of the losses we have suffered in the Iraq War. People can change, and change can be for the good. When I think of those of my students, especially those who are people of color and those who come from less financially-favored homes, I am filled with joyful memories of their writings and of their outspoken words raised to be heard in the Write Club and Poetry Team. I am filled with sadness to think that their voices could have been ignored or silenced by those in power and by those charged with their educational care. I do believe that such students inevitably will speak out, will sing out, again. They shall not be silenced. As the great African-American poet Langston Hughes wrote in his poem, "Democracy": "Democracy will not come today, this year, nor ever, through compromise and fear. Freedom is a strong seed planted in a great need." May that seed of freedom keep growing here in New Mexico." -- Bill Nevins _ _ _ This case is a victory for teachers everywhere who, in the current climate of fear, have grown silent in the face of censorship and calls for blind patriotism. Our nation¹s greatest achievements have often come from those who dissented and were willing to question the status quo. Students are our future. Bill Nevins provided a forum for students to express themselves and question the world around them. To progress as a nation, we need more teachers willing to approach the central and often most controversial issues of our day without fear of retribution. I hope this case can empower teachers, and send a message to students that there is justice -- even in the most trying of times. -- Eric Sirotkin ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:57:07 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Learning aboard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Locality -- Learning Tip Mobility -- Common Mistake Dystopia -- Idiomatic Expression Technophilia -- Hispanic Custom Copyright -- Free Verb Drills Government -- Audio Course on CD Fear -- Learning Website ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:17:47 -0700 Reply-To: aln10@psu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aln10@PSU.EDU Subject: Marine Lands in Film, Collides With Superiors Comments: To: L-Poconater@lists.psu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This story was sent to you by: Aldon L. Nielsen those of you who've seen CONTROL ROOM rill remember this guy -- -------------------- Marine Lands in Film, Collides With Superiors -------------------- A military spokesman is silenced after candid comments in a movie on Al Jazeera and Iraq war. By Mark Mazzetti Times Staff Writer August 2 2004 WASHINGTON — For most of the central figures in the documentary film "Control Room," the grisly images that emerged from last year's U.S. invasion of Iraq were no cause for a change of opinion. The complete article can be viewed at: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-na-film2aug02,1,2517103.story?coll=la-home-headlines Visit Latimes.com at http://www.latimes.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:53:47 -0400 Reply-To: Geoffrey Gatza Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Organization: BlazeVOX [books] Subject: FW: Republicans: A Prose Poem MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Republicans: A Prose Poem Eliot Weinberger "They hate our friends. They hate our values. They = hate democracy=20 and freedom, and individual liberty." President George W. Bush=20 "I really do believe that we will be greeted as = liberators." Vice-President Dick Cheney ------------------------- Thomas Donahue, Director of the U.S. Chamber of = Commerce, is a Republican. He said the newly unemployed should "stop = whining."=20 Alfonso Jackson, Secretary of Housing and Urban = Development, is a Republican. He explained the enormous cuts to = low-income housing by saying, "Being poor is a state of mind, not a = condition."=20 Rick Santorum, Senator from Pennsylvania, is a = Republican. He defended cuts to child care and welfare by suggesting = that "making people struggle a little bit is not necessarily the worst = thing."=20 Eric Bost, Undersecretary of Food and Nutrition, = U.S. Department of Agriculture, is a Republican. A study by his own = agency said that 34 million Americans, including 13.6 million children = under the age of 12, were affected by hunger, but Bost doubts these = numbers: "If you ask any teenager if they're happy about the food they = have in their house, what will they say?" Responding to a report that = the number of people seeking assistance at food pantries in Ohio had = increased by 44% in the last three years, Bost told an Ohio newspaper: = "Food pantries don't require documentation of income. . . so there's no = proof everyone asking for sustenance at a soup kitchen is truly in = need."=20 Dr. Tom Coburn, former Congressman and current = candidate for the Senate from Oklahoma, is a Republican. Dr. Coburn = supports the death penalty for doctors who perform abortions. Republicans do not like dogs. Major General = Geoffrey Miller, former Chief of Prisons at Guantanamo Bay, now Director = of Prisons in Iraq, said that "at Guantanamo Bay we learned that the = prisoners have to earn every single thing that they have. They are like = dogs and if you allow them to believe at any point that they are more = than a dog then you've lost control of them." Republicans like dogs. Trent Lott, Senator from = Mississippi, was asked about the use of attack dogs in torturing an = Iraqi prisoner. He replied that there's "nothing wrong with holding a = dog up there unless it ate him." Republicans have a sense of history. The National = Museum of Naval Aviation now exhibits the actual Navy S-3B Viking = fighter jet that carried the President to the deck of the USS Abraham = Lincoln for his "Mission Accomplished" speech. It has "George W. Bush = Commander-in-Chief" stenciled just below the cockpit window. Republicans are fighting terrorism. Ron Paige, = Secretary of Education, called the National Education Association, with = a membership of 2.7 million teachers, a "terrorist organization." Karen = Hughes, adviser to the President, said that, especially after September = 11, Americans support Bush's efforts to ban abortion because "the = fundamental issue between us and the terror network we fight is that we = value every life."=20 Patricia "Lynn" Scarlett, Assistant Secretary of = the Interior, is a Republican. She is the former president of the Reason = Foundation, a libertarian group, and is opposed to recycling, = nutritional labeling on food, consumer "right to know" laws, and = restrictions on the use of pesticides. D. Nick Rerras, State Senator in Virginia, is a = Republican. He believes that mental illness is caused by demons and, = somewhat contradictorily, that "God may be punishing families by giving = children mental illnesses." He also claims that "thunder and lightning = mean God is mad at you."=20 John Yoo, Deputy Assistant Attorney General, is a = Republican. In January 2002, he sent a 42-page memo to William Haynes = II, Chief Legal Counsel for the Pentagon, stating that the Geneva = Conventions, the War Crimes Act, and "customary international law" do = not apply to the war in Afghanistan. He was seconded by Alberto = Gonzales, White House Legal Counsel, who wrote: "In my judgment, this = new paradigm renders obsolete Geneva's strict limitations on questioning = of enemy prisoners and renders quaint some of its provisions." A few = days later, the President suspended all rights for prisoners at = Guantanamo Bay.=20 William Haynes II, the recipient of Yoo's memo, is = a Republican. As the Chief Legal Counsel for the Pentagon, he argued = that the Defense Department should be exempt from the Migratory Bird = Treaty Act, and allowed to test bombs on a Pacific Ocean nesting island. = Such bombing, he said, would please bird-watchers, because it will make = the birds more scarce, and "bird watchers get more enjoyment spotting a = rare bird than they do spotting a common one." Haynes has now been = nominated by the President for a lifetime appointment as a judge on the = U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Republicans like children. John Cornyn, Senator = from Texas, speaking in support of the constitutional amendment banning = gay marriage, said: "It does not affect your daily life very much if = your neighbor marries a box turtle. But that does not mean it is right. = Now you must raise your children up in a world where that union of man = and box turtle is on the same legal footing as man and wife."=20 Republicans are optimistic. General Peter = Schoomaker, U.S. Army Chief of Staff, says that, following September 11, = "there is a huge silver lining in this cloud." He explains: "War is a = tremendous focus. . . . Now we have this focusing opportunity, and we = have the fact that terrorists have actually attacked our homeland, which = it gives it some oomph." Republicans do not like children. The President = has never bothered to appoint a director of the Office of Children's = Health Protection. Craig Manson, Assistant Secretary of the Interior, = is a Republican. In charge of overseeing the Endangered Species Act, he = has refused to add any new species to the list. He said: "If we are = saying that the loss of species in and of itself is inherently bad -- I = don't think we know enough about how the world works to say that."=20 Elaine Chao, Secretary of Labor, is a Republican. = Her department publishes a pamphlet with tips to employers about how to = avoid paying overtime wages to workers.=20 Jack Kahl and his son John Kahl are Republicans = and major contributors to the Republican Party. They are, respectively, = the former and current chairmen and CEOs of Manco, Inc., a company in = Avon, Ohio. (Motto: "If you're not proud of it, don't ship it.") Manco = produces 63% of all the duct tape used in the USA. When the Secretary of = Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, repeatedly urged Americans to buy plastic = sheeting and duct tape to seal their homes from a biological or chemical = attack, Manco's sales increased 40% overnight. Republicans have a sense of history. Sonny Perdue, = the Governor of Georgia, celebrated his election victory, and the end of = Democratic control, by intoning the words of Martin Luther King: "Free = at last, free at last, thank God Almighty, we're free at last!" He gave = his speech in front of a large Confederate flag.=20 Sue Myrick, Congresswoman from North Carolina, is = a Republican. As the keynote speaker at a Heritage Foundation conference = on "The Role of State and Local Governments in Protecting Our Homeland," = she said: "Honest to goodness, [my husband] Ed and I, for years, for 20 = years, have been saying, 'You know, look at who runs all the convenience = stores across the country.' Every little town you go into, you know?" Republicans are fighting terrorism. In the village = of Prosser, Washington, a 15-year-old drew some antiwar cartoons in a = sketchbook for art class; one depicted the President as a devil firing = rockets. The art teacher turned the sketchbook over to the principal of = the school, who called the local police chief, who alerted the Secret = Service, which sent two agents to Prosser to interrogate the boy. John Hostettler, Congressman from Indiana, is a = Republican. He was briefly detained by security at the Louisville, = Kentucky, airport, when they found a loaded Glock-9mm automatic pistol = in his briefcase. In 2000, when the Violence Against Women Act passed = Congress by a vote of 415 to 3, Hostettler was one of the three. Jeffrey Holmstead, Assistant Administrator for Air = and Radiation at the Environmental Protection Agency, is a Republican. A = former lawyer for Montrose Chemical, American Electric Power, and = various pesticide companies, he served under Bush Sr. on the [Dan] = Quayle Council on Competitiveness, devoted to weakening existing = environmental, health, and safety regulations. Holmstead is a member of = the Citizens for the Environment, an organization that promotes "market = solutions" to environmental problems, considers acid rain a myth, and = supports the total deregulation of businesses. Ed Gillespie is Chairman of the Republican = National Committee. He accuses gays of "intolerance and bigotry" for = "attempting to force the rest of the population to accept alien moral = standards." Al Frink is a Republican. He was appointed to the = newly-created position of Assistant Secretary of Commerce for = Manufacturing and Services, to address the massive loss of jobs to = factories overseas. He is the co-owner of Fabrica, a company that makes = expensive carpets for the White House and the Saudi royal family. = (Motto: "The Rolls-Royce of Carpets.") Although Fabrica has no factories = abroad, it has replaced many of its workers with robots because, as = Frink's partner explained, you don't have to pay health insurance for = robots. There are American soldiers in Iraq who are = Republicans. They follow the instructions to tear out a page from the = pamphlet, "A Christian's Duty" (distributed, with military approval, by = the In Touch Ministries), and mail it to the White House, pledging that = they will pray daily for the Administration. The pamphlet includes a = suggested prayer for each day. "Monday" reads: "Pray that the President = and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right = regardless of critics". There are men in Indianapolis, Indiana, who are = Republicans, but they don't look like ordinary people. At a rally = promoting Republican economic policy and its effect on the ordinary = person, those standing behind the President were asked to remove their = ties and jackets for the cameras. Republicans are fighting terrorism. Tim Pawlenty, = Governor of Minnesota, wants people arrested at antiwar demonstrations- = but not at other demonstrations- to pay an additional fine, which will = be used for "homeland security expenses." Republicans do not like children. A little girl = asked Richard Riordan, Secretary of Education for the State of = California, if he knew that her name, Isis, "meant 'Egyptian goddess.'" = "It means stupid, dirty girl," Riordan replied. Republicans like ice cream, but they do not like = the ice cream made by Ben & Jerry's, with its notorious support of = progressive causes. So they have created their own brand, Star-Spangled = Ice Cream, which has pledged 19% of its profits to conservative = organizations. Among its flavors are I Hate the French Vanilla, Gun Nut, = Smaller GovernMINT, Iraqi Road, and Choc & Awe. Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, is a Republican. He = opened the nation's first Christian prison, where inmates spend their = days in prayer and Bible study. Republicans like Hummers. Those who purchase a = Hummer H-1 for $50,590 receive a tax deduction of $50,590; those who = purchase a H-2 for $111,845 receive a deduction of $107,107. "In my = humble opinion," said Rick Schmidt, founder of the International Hummer = Owners Group, "the H2 is an American icon. . . it's a symbol of what we = all hold so dearly above all else, the fact we have the freedom of = choice, the freedom of happiness, the freedom of adventure and = discovery, and the ultimate freedom of expression. Those who deface a = Hummer in words or deed deface the American flag and what it stands = for." Republicans like secrets. Asked by a reporter from = a newspaper in Apopka, Florida, the White House refused to confirm or = deny that it had invited members of the Apopka Little League team to = watch a game of T-ball on the White House Lawn. Republicans have a sense of history. The officials = of Taney County, Missouri, refused to hang a "plaque of remembrance" = honoring a Taney County resident who died in the World Trade Center on = September 11 because he was a Democrat.=20 Jerry Regier, Director of the Department of = Children and Families for the State of Florida, is a Republican. He = believes that children should be subject to "manly" discipline, that a = "biblical spanking" leading to "temporary and superficial bruises or = welts does not constitute child abuse," that women should view working = outside the home as "bondage," that Christians should not marry = non-Christians, and that "the radical feminist movement has damaged the = morale of many women and convinced men to relinquish their biblical = authority in the home.''=20 Republicans have a sense of history. Bill Black, = Vice Chairman of the California Republican Party, sent his constituents = an article from the Center for Cultural Conservatism, which read: "Given = how bad things have gotten in the old USA, it's not hard to believe that = history might have taken a better turn. ... The real damage to race = relations in the South came not from slavery, but from Reconstruction, = which would not have occurred if the South had won." Kathy Cox, Superintendent of Schools for the State = of Georgia, is a Republican. She wants all textbooks in the state to be = changed so that the word "evolution" is replaced with "biological = changes over time." Jim Bunning, Senator from Kentucky, is a = Republican. He gets a laugh at Republican dinners by joking that his = opponent in the forthcoming election, Dan Mongiardo, a son of Italian = immigrants, looks like one of the sons of Saddam Hussein. Republicans have a sense of history. The only = illustrations in the federal budget, published annually by the = Government Printing Office, are normally charts and graphs. This year, = it features 27 color photographs of the President. He is seen in front = of the Washington monument and in front of a giant American flag, = reading to a small child, hacking a trail through the wilderness, = comforting an elderly woman in a wheelchair, and serving an inedible = food-styled Thanksgiving turkey to the troops in Iraq. Republicans do not like almanacs. On Christmas = Eve, the FBI sent a bulletin to 18,000 police organizations warning them = to watch out-- during traffic stops, searches, and other investigations- = for anyone carrying an almanac. The bulletin stated that "the practice = of researching potential targets is consistent with known methods of = al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations that seek to maximize the = likelihood of operational success through careful planning." Kevin = Seabrooke, senior editor of the World Almanac, may or may not be a = Republican. "I don't think anyone would consider us a harmful entity," = he said. Republicans like the Rush Limbaugh Show and like = having it broadcast to the troops overseas, five days a week, on the = official American Forces Radio and Television Service network. When it = was suggested that they provide more "balanced" political programming, = Sam Johnson, Congressman from Texas, said that it "sounds a little like = Communism to me." Stephen Downs, age 61, is probably not a = Republican. He was shopping at the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New = York, when security guards surrounded him and asked him to leave. Downs = was wearing a t-shirt with the words "Give Peace a Chance." He refused = to leave and was arrested for trespassing. My friend, a middle-aged white man, is not a = Republican. A photographer on assignment for the National Geographic in = Florida, he was taking pictures of some colorfully painted vans in a = parking lot. An hour later he was arrested. An alert citizen, suspecting = possible terrorist information-gathering activity, had called the = police. Herbert O. Chadbourne is probably a Republican. A = professor at the evangelical Regent University, he developed a facial = tic- the result he said, of exposure to biological or chemical agents = when he was a soldier in the first Gulf War. The university, however, = said that the tic was a sign that he was possessed by a demon, having = been cursed by God for sinfulness, and fired him. Jeffrey Kofman, reporter for ABC television, may = not be a Republican. When he broadcast a story that morale among = American troops in Iraq was weakening, the White House spread the story = that not only is Kofman gay, he's a Canadian. Republicans like technology. Although most = programs for low-income housing and job training have been greatly = reduced or eliminated, the Department of Labor has created a website for = the homeless. Republicans like methyl bromide, a pesticide that = destroys the ozone layer and leads to prostate cancer in farm workers. = The Reagan administration and 160 nations signed a treaty in 1987 to = eliminate methyl bromide by 2005. The use of the pesticide has increased = every year of the current Administration, which is seeking a waiver from = compliance with the treaty. Claudia A. McMurray, Deputy Assistant = Secretary of State for Environment, explained: "Our farmers need this." Republicans like dog-race gamblers, NASCAR track = owners, bow-and-arrow makers, and Oldsmobile dealers. They were among = those given $170 billion in tax cuts that were slipped into an obscure = bill intended to resolve a minor trade dispute with Europe. Republicans do not like technology. On September = 11, 2001, the FBI computers were still running on MS-DOS, which could = only perform single-word searches of their files, and FBI agents did not = have e-mail. They are hoping a new system will be in place in 2006. Lieutenant General William Boykin, Deputy = Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, formerly in charge of the = hunt for Osama bin Laden and currently directing Iraqi prison reform, is = a Republican. He regularly appears at revival meetings sponsored by a = group called the Faith Force Multiplier, which advocates applying = military principles to evangelism. Its manifesto, "Warrior Message," = summons "warriors in this spiritual war for souls of this nation and the = world ." Boykin preaches that "Satan wants to destroy this nation, he = wants to destroy us as a nation, and he wants to destroy us as a = Christian army," and that Muslims "will only be defeated if we come = against them in the name of Jesus". He admits that "George Bush was not = elected by a majority of the voters in the US," but adds: "He was = appointed by God." Kelli Arena, Justice Department correspondent for = CNN, is presumably a Republican. She reported that "there is some = speculation that al Qaeda believes it has a better chance of winning in = Iraq if John Kerry is in the White House ."=20 William "Bucky" Bush, uncle of the President, is a = Republican. He is a director of Engineer Support Systems, Inc., which = makes military items, such as the Chemical Biological Protected Shelter = System (a mobile shed for a WMD attack) or the Field Deployable = Environmental Control Unit. Since 2001, the company has had sales to the = Pentagon of $300-400 million a year, and the Department of Homeland = Security has ordered a fleet of mobile emergency communication centers = for use in the event of a domestic biochemical attack. He is also a = director of Lord Abbett & Co., which owns 8 million shares of = Halliburton. Jeb Bush inserted a line in the Florida state budget = privatizing elevator inspections. "Bucky" is one of the owners of a = company called National Elevator Inspection Services.=20 Republicans like electronic voting machines. In = the 1980's, Bob and Todd Urosevich founded a voting machine company, = eventually called American Information Systems (AIS), with money from = the Ahmanson family of California. The Ahmansons are Christian = Reconstructionists who want to establish a theocracy based on biblical = law and under the "dominion" of Christians. They support the death = penalty for homosexuals, adulterers, and alcoholics. They are members of = the secretive Council for National Policy, which combines remnants of = the John Birch Society with apocalyptic Christians and is considered by = many to be the driving force of "hard right" ideology. The Ahmansons = sold the company to the McCarthy Group, whose Chairman and co-owner was = Chuck Hagel. The McCarthy Group bought another voting machine company, = Cronus Industries, from the Hunt oil family in Texas, also Christian = Reconstructionists, who had supplied the original money for the Council = for National Policy. The two voting machine companies were merged and = became Election Systems and Software (ES&S), with Hagel as CEO. Republicans like electronic voting machines. ES&S = counts 80% of the vote in the state of Nebraska. In 1996, Hagel resigned = from ES&S to run for Senator from Nebraska. His victory was called a = "stunning upset" by Nebraska newspapers: African-American districts that = had never voted for a Republican voted for Hagel. In 1992, Hagel ran = again and received 83% of the vote- 3% more than ES&S-tabulated votes = and the largest election victory in the history of Nebraska. His = Democratic opponent asked for a recount, but the Republican-dominated = state legislature had passed a law that only ES&S could recount the = votes. Hagel won the recount. No longer Chairman of the McCarthy Group, = Hagel had been succeeded by Thomas McCarthy, who was his campaign = treasurer.=20 Republicans like electronic voting machines. When = Jeb Bush first ran for Governor of Florida, his first choice for = Lieutenant Governor was Sandra Mortham, a lobbyist for ES&S, who was = receiving commissions for every county that bought ES&S machines. Republicans have a sense of history. John = LeBoutillier, former Congressman and author of Harvard Hates Americia, = wants to build the "Counter Clinton Library," a few minutes walk from = the official Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock, Arkansas. This = library will be devoted to the "distortions, slanders, spins, and = outright lies" of the Clinton Administration. The Senate of the State of Texas is controlled by = Republicans. They passed an "abortion counseling law" which requires = doctors to warn women that abortion might lead to breast cancer, for = which there is no medical evidence. The President's Council of Economic Advisers are = Republicans. In order to show an increase in manufacturing jobs, they = are considering reclassifying fast-food workers as "manufacturers," = since they "manufacture" hamburgers. Republicans like formaldehyde. In support of = changing the regulations on emissions from plywood factories, the White = House Office of Management and Budget deleted references to studies by = the National Cancer Institute and replaced them with references to = studies by the Chemical Industry Institute for Toxicology. The NCI's = estimate of the risk of leukemia from exposure to formaldehyde was = 10,000 times greater than the estimate by the CIIT. Specialist Sean Baker of the Kentucky National = Guard, was probably once a Republican, but may no longer be one. = Assigned to the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, he volunteered to = portray a detainee in a training drill. A five-man "immediate response = force" choked and beat him on the steel floor of the 6' x 8' cell, = despite his shouting the code word and telling his assailants he was an = American soldier. They finally stopped when his orange prison suit was = ripped off, revealing a military uniform. Baker spent 48 days in the = hospital and still suffers from seizures. Laurie Arellano, a Republican = and spokesperson for the Pentagon, said that Baker's hospital stay was = "not related to the beating at Guantanamo." A few days later she said = this was not true. The incident was taped, but the tape has now been = lost. Bill Nevins may or may not have been a Republican, = but it is doubtful he is still one. A teacher at the huge Rio Rancho = High School-- with over 3000 students, the largest in New Mexico- he = organized a school poetry club, which held a Poetry Slam. At the = reading, a student read a poem criticizing the President and the war in = Iraq, in language that was neither violent or obscene. Nevins was = immediately fired by the Principal, Gary Tripp, for promoting = "disrespectful speech." He then banned the poetry club and all classes = in poetry, ordered the student to destroy all of her poetry, and = threatened to fire her mother- also a teacher at the school- if the girl = did not. At a school assembly a few days later, Tripp read a poem of his = own, instructing students who disagreed with him to "shut your faces." Republicans like sex. Jack Ryan, candidate (now = former candidate) for Senator from Illinois, forced his wife (now = ex-wife) to visit sadomasochist sex clubs in New York and Paris and = insisted she have sex with him there while others watched. He defended = himself by calling these "romantic getaways," and noted,"There was no = breaking of any laws. There was no breaking of any marriage laws. There = was no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere." Republicans supported = him, because, as columnist Robert Novack said, "Jack Ryan, unlike Bill = Clinton, did not commit adultery and did not lie." Ryan's ex-wife is the = actress Jeri Ryan who, on the television program "Star Trek," portrayed = a Borg. (Motto: "Resistance is futile.")=20 Republicans like meat, and like their meat = regulated by people from the meat industry. At the US Department of = Agriculture (USDA), Elizabeth Johnson, Senior Advisor on Food and = Nutrition, is formerly Associate Director for Food Policy, National = Cattlemen's Beef Association. James Moseley, Deputy Secretary of = Agriculture, is formerly Managing Partner, Infinity Pork. Dale Moore, = Chief of Staff, is formerly Executive Director for Legislative Affairs, = National Cattlemen's Beef Association. Dr. Eric Hentges, Director, = Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion, is formerly Vice President, = the National Pork Board. Dr. Charles "Chuck" Lambert, Deputy = Undersecretary for Marketing and Regulatory Programs, is formerly Chief = Economist, National Cattlemen's Beef Association. Donna Reifschneider, = Administrator for Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards = Administration, is formerly President, National Pork Producers Council. = Mary Kirtley Waters, Assistant Secretary for Congressional Relations, is = formerly Senior Director, ConAgra Foods. Scott Charbo, Chief Information = Officer, is formerly President, mPower3, a subsidiary of ConAgra Foods. = The USDA prohibited Creekstone Farms Premium Beef, a company in Kansas, = from testing all its cattle for mad cow disease, for it would cause = undue alarm among consumers and pressure the other beef producers to = similarly test their stock. Republicans like Freedom fries (formerly known as = French fries). At the request of the frozen Freedom fry (formerly known = as French fry) industry, the USDA changed the classification of frozen = Freedom fries (formerly known as French fries) to "fresh vegetable," so = that the food could be listed in the Department's promotion of a healthy = diet.=20 Republicans do not like sex. Robert F. McDonnell, = Chairman of the House Courts of Justice Committee for the State of = Virginia, said that "engaging in anal or oral sex might disqualify a = person from being a judge." Republicans like sex. A few days later, = McDonnell's campaign manager, Robin Vanderwell, was arrested for = soliciting a young boy over the internet. Ralph Reed is a Republican. When he was the = director of the Christian Coalition, he campaigned against gambling, = calling it a "cancer on the American body politic" that is "stealing = food from the mouths of children." He is now the lobbyist for a large = casino. Anna Perez, former Counselor for Communications to = Condoleezza Rice and former Press Secretary for Barbara Bush, is a = Republican. NBC appointed her Executive Vice President for = Communications. "I love the television business," she said, although "I = have no expertise in it." Paul O'Neill is a Republican. When he was = Secretary of the Treasury, he recommended that corporations pay no taxes = at all. As it is, only 60% of corporations currently pay federal taxes.=20 Michael Skupkin, founder of a religious software = company and leader of the Presidential Prayer Team, is a Republican. He = was urged to run for Senator from Michigan, but eventually refused. = Skupkin had become famous on the televison program, "Survivor 2," for = catching and slaughtering a wild boar with his bare hands, and then = painting his face with its blood. The Presidential Prayer Team is an = independent organization with millions of participants, who are given = daily instructions, such as: "Pray for the president as he meets with = Singaporean Prime Minister Goh Chok Ton on May 6. The two leaders will = discuss strengthening our bilateral relations as well as the = U.S.-Singapore Free Trade Agreement."=20 Mark Rey, former Vice President of the American = Forest and Paper Association, former Vice President of the National = Forest Products Association, former Executive Director of the American = Forest Resource Alliance, a coalition of 350 timber corporations, is a = Republican. As the Under Secretary for Natural Resources and the = Environment, he now oversees the U.S. Forest Service, and is responsible = for the management of 155 national forests, 19 national grasslands, and = 15 land utilization projects on 192,000,000 acres of publicly-owned = lands in 44 states. He is the author of the "Salvage Rider," which = suspended all environmental laws in the national forests, and which was = called by the New York Times "the worst piece of conservation = legislation ever written."=20 Republicans like electronic voting machines. 8 = million people- 8% of the voters- vote on machines made by Diebold Inc., = whose CEO is Wally O'Dell. In 2000 O'Dell was Chairman of the Ohio Bush = for President Committee. In 2004 he has said that he is "committed to = helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the President." Bob = Urosevich, co-founder of AIS, is now Director of Diebold Election = Systems. (His brother remains at ES&S.) Republicans support education. This year the = President has proposed new education initiatives: $40 million to help = math and science professionals become teachers, $52 million to create = more Advanced Placement courses in high school, $100 million for reading = for middle and high schoolers who still have trouble reading, and $270 = million for sexual abstinence classes. Republicans support legislation with cheerful = names: Healthy Forests, Clean Skies, Climate Leaders, No Child Left = Behind, KidCare. Healthy Forests opens up Sequoia National Park and = other parks and national wilderness areas to logging and more roads for = loggers. Clean Skies allows 68% more nitrogen oxide, 125% more sulfur = dioxide, and 420% more mercury air pollution than the Clean Air law it = replaces. Climate Leaders is a plan for businesses to voluntarily reduce = their greenhouse gas emissions; of the many thousands of potential = Leaders, only 14 have volunteered. No Child Left Behind cuts most school = programs in favor of standardized testing. KidCare, a Jeb Bush = initiative in the state of Florida, resulted in 167,500 children losing = their medical insurance. Jerry Thacker, marketing consultant and member of = the Presidential Advisory Commission on AIDS and HIV, is a Republican. = He has called AIDS the "gay plague," describes homosexuality as a = "deathstyle," and states that only "Christ can rescue the homosexual." The Rev. Scott Breedlove, pastor of the Jesus = Church of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, is probably a Republican. His plans for a = large outdoor book-burning were thwarted by officials of the Cedar = Rapids Fire Department. A city fire inspector suggested shredding the = books, but Breedlove said that didn't seem very biblical. Pat Tillman was probably a Republican. After = September 11, he gave up a multimillion dollar contract as a = professional football player to join the Army Rangers in Afghanistan, = where he died in combat. As the only soldier with some previous national = recognition, he was on the verge of media canonization when it was = revealed that he had been killed by American troops in a "friendly fire" = incident. Zell Miller, Senator from Georgia, might as well = be a Republican. He is a Democrat who campaigns for the President and = speaks at Republican events. The torture at Abu Ghraib prison reminded = him of his high school gym: "The two times I think I have been most = humiliated in my life was standing in a big room, naked as a jaybird = with about fifty others and they were checking us out, now that was = humiliating. It was humiliating showering with sixty others in a public = shower. It didn't kill us did it? No one ever died from humiliation." Republicans are fighting terrorism. Police and = intelligence authorities are now examining immigration files and lists = of voter registration, driver's licences, university enrollment, library = withdrawals, airplane reservations, credit card purchases, birth = certificates, and Social Security numbers in the attempt to uncover = terrorist links. They have, however, been expressly forbidden by = Attorney General Ashcroft from looking at the lists of background checks = for gun purchasers. Republicans are fighting terrorism, but it is = sometimes difficult to tell who is a terrorist and who is a Republican. = Attorney General John Ashcroft has warned that al-Qaeda operatives in = the United States are very likely to be "European-looking," in their = late twenties or early thirties, traveling with their families, and = speaking English. Republican like large bombs. Having already = developed the Massive Ordnamce Air Blast (MOAB), a 21,000-pound bomb, = they are now working on MOP, the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, which = weighs 30,000 pounds. Rick Perry, Governor of Texas, is a Republican. He = does not believe that the wealthy should pay for the education of the = poor, so he has proposed reducing property taxes and replacing them with = larger taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, and a $5 tax every time a patron = enters a topless bar.=20 John Graham, former CEO of Strat@comm, a public = relations and lobbying firm for the automobile industry, and founder of = the Sports Utility Vehicle Owners of America, is a Republican. As the = Administrator in Charge of Regulations for the National Highway Traffic = Safety Administration, he has introduced greatly inferior standards for = automobile tires.=20 Judge John Leon Holmes, appointed by the President = to a lifetime seat on the Federal District Court, is a Republican. He = supports a constitutional amendment banning abortion, has compared = pro-choice advocates to Nazis and abortion to slavery, and has written = that "concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from = rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." = Confronted with statistics showing that some 30,000 American women = become pregnant each year from rape or incest, Jeff Sessions, Senator = from Alabama and a Republican, defended Holmes by saying that he was = merely using "a literary device called exaggeration for effect." Josh Llano, Southern Baptist Army chaplain in = Iraq, is a Republican. At the Army V Corps camp in the desert near = Najaf, where water is in short supply and washing rare, he was given a = 500-gallon pool to use for baptisms. Soldiers are agreeing to sit = through the three-hour ceremony in order to get a bath. Republicans are fighting terrorism. Rick Santorum, = Senator from Pennsylvania, in support of the constitutional amendment = banning gay marriage, said: "I would argue that the future of our = country hangs in the balance because the future of marriage hangs in the = balance. Isn't that the ultimate homeland security, standing up and = defending marriage?"=20 Republicans are fighting terrorism. In October = 2001, Ansar Mahmood, a pizza delivery man and legal immigrant in Hudson, = New York, went to the banks of the Hudson River to take some photographs = of the beautiful scenery to send to his village in Pakistan. What he did = not know was that he was standing near a water treatment plant and that = there was a general hysteria about terrorists poisoning the water = supply. Mahmood is still in jail. Haley Barbour, Governor of Mississippi, is a = Republican. His campaign was vigorously supported by the President and = the Council of Conservative Citizens, which supports deporting = African-Americans to Africa, denies the Holocaust took place, and = opposes the immigration of all non-white people as well as the "mixing = of the races." Allan Fitzsimmons, Fuels Coordinator at the = Department of Interior and in charge of implementing the Healthy Forests = initiative, is a Republican. Although he has no background in forest = management, he has written articles questioning the existence of = ecosystems, calling them a "mental construct." He has accused religious = organizations that promote protecting the environment of succumbing to = idolatry.=20 Republicans do not like children. The Food and = Drug Administration has eliminated laws requiring separate testing for = drugs that are prescribed for children as well as adults. Republicans like to help impoverished nations. The = Administration has proposed that these countries generate income by = allowing hunters to kill elephants and other "trophy" animals, and = wildlife traders and the pet industry to capture rare birds. It has also = proposed that the importation of ivory tusks, skins, and antlers be made = legal again. Republicans like electronic voting machines. It = was a surprise when Max Cleland, a popular Democratic Senator from = Georgia, lost his bid for re-election. Some attributed the defeat to = Republican television advertisements juxtaposing Cleland with Osama bin = Laden, questioning the Senator's patriotism even though Cleland had lost = both legs and an arm in the Vietnam War. This was the first election in = which all votes in Georgia were cast on electronic voting machines. The = machines were manufactured by Diebold. Republicans do not like international treaties. Randall Tobias, global coordinator for AIDS, is a = Republican. After two years, only 2% of the $18 billion allotted to = fight AIDS has been spent. One-third of it, by law, must be used for = "abstinence education." Much of the rest will be spent on drugs. Tobias = decides whether the Administration will purchase generic drugs or = name-brand drugs, which are three to five times as expensive. Tobias is = the former CEO of the pharmaceutical corporation Eli Lilly, which has = donated at least $1.5 million to Republicans since 2000. William G. Myers, recently appointed to a lifetime = seat on the Court of Appeals, is a Republican. Evidently a classical = scholar, he referred to the California Desert Protection Act, which = created Joshua Tree National Park, Death Valley National Park, and the = Mojave National Preserve, as "an example of legislative hubris." Republicans like electronic voting machines. The = State of Maryland is worried about possible fraud in its machines, so it = has hired the Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) to = oversee elections. The former CEO of SAIC and current Chairman of its = VoteHere division, is Admiral Bill Owens, former military aide to Dick = Cheney. Republicans do not like the cactus pygmy owl, = although there are only thirty left, Puget Sound orcas, Florida = manatees, Florida panthers, or the Kemp's ridley turtle. Cindy Jacobs is a Republican. She is the founder = of the Generals of Intercession, an organization devoted to "winning = nations for Christ" through a "military-style prayer strategy." In 2002, = God told her that the U.S. would invade Iraq, and she convened an = "international gathering of Generals" in Washington, D.C.. "Each of us = felt in our hearts that God wants to humble the spirit of Islam and its = god, Allah, and that God is leading President Bush." At the meeting, = according to Jacobs, one of the Generals said "she had been studying = Jeremiah 50:2, which says, 'Declare among the nations, Proclaim, and set = up a standard; Proclaim--do not conceal it--Say, Babylon is taken, Bel = is shamed.' Some Bible translations say 'confounded' rather than = 'shamed.' As she looked up the word 'confounded' in her lexicon, she = found that the word in Hebrew is 'Bush'! We were amazed at that!" Mickey Mouse is a Republican. 7.3 million shares = of Disney are owned by the Florida state pension fund, which is = controlled by Jeb Bush. Disney has an agreement with the state granting = them complete control, "free from government oversight," of over 40,000 = acres. In the days following September 11, the President urged the = country to "Go down to Disney World in Florida. Take your families and = enjoy life." Disney refused to allow its Miramax division to distribute = the Michael Moore film "Fahrenheit 9/11." Republicans are fighting terrorism, but the one = genuine terrorist captured, accidentally, on American soil, has never = been mentioned in the 2,295 press releases issued by John Ashcroft and = the Office of the Attorney General. William Krar of Noonday, Texas, = mailed a package containing false U.N. credentials, Defense Intelligence = Agency identification cards, phony birth certificates, and forged = federal concealed weapons permits to a fellow terrorist. The Post Office = delivered it to the wrong address, and the recipient notified the FBI. = At Krar's home they found fully automatic machine guns, = remote-controlled explosive devices disguised as briefcases, 60 pipe = bombs, 500,000 rounds of ammunition, and enough pure sodium cyanide, as = the FBI said, "to kill everyone inside a 30,000 square foot building. = Krar, however, is a White Supremacist, and not a Muslim.=20 Republicans do not like elections. After the = Presidential election of 2000, Congress approved $4 billion to help = states improve their voting systems for the 2004 election. Very little = of the money has been distributed. Congress also created the Election = Assistance Commission to oversee these improvements. For years, the = White House delayed appointing any members or providing any of the funds = appropriated. In 2004, it named DeForest "Buster" Soaries Jr., a New = Jersey minister, as Director of the Commission. His first act was to ask = for emergency legislation from Congress giving the Commission the = authority to cancel the elections in the event of a terrorist attack.=20 God is a Republican. Speaking to a group of Amish = farmers, the President told them: "God speaks through me." Republicans have a sense of history. Mitch = McConnell, Senator from Kentucky, wants to replace Alexander Hamilton on = the $10 bill with Ronald Reagan. Dana Rohrabacher, Congressman from = California, wants to replace Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill with Ronald = Reagan. Jeff Miller, Congressman from Florida, wants to replace John = Kennedy on the 50-cent piece with Ronald Reagan. Mark Souder, = Congressman from Indiana, wants to replace Franklin Roosevelt on the = dime with Ronald Reagan. Bill Frist, Senate Majority Leader, wants to = rename the Pentagon as the Ronald Reagan National Defense Building. = Grover Norquist of the Leave Us Alone Coalition (whose weekly meetings = are attended by representatives of the President and Vice President) and = Director of the Ronald Reagan Legacy Project, wants to put a monument to = Ronald Reagan in every one of the 3000 counties in the United States. = Matt Salmon, Congressman from Arizona, wants Ronald Reagan's head carved = on Mount Rushmore. George W. Bush, President of the United States, is = a Republican. To demonstrate personal sacrifice and his determination to = win the War on Terror, he gave up desserts and candy a few days before = he announced the invasion of Iraq. = [1 = August 2004] ---------------------------------------------------------- Copyright c. 2004 Eliot Weinberger. This may = circulate freely on the internet; for print publication please write: = unreal@att.net. Eliot Weinberger's chronicles of the Bush Era are = collected in 9/12, published by Prickly Paradigm/Univ. of Chicago Press. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:55:42 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: [razapress] La Calaca Welcomes Another: Poetic Giant Abelardo Passes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Calaca Press poet Abelardo "Lalo" Delgado, author of the legendary Chicano >poem Stupid America, passed away Friday July 23 at the age of 73. > >He was welcomed to Mictlan by the Lord of the Underworld himself, >Mictlantecuhtli and his wife, Mictecacihuatl, as well as the recently >departed Pedro Pietri, Gloria Anzaldua, and Phil Goldvarg. > >Though we mourn the loss of our literary comrades we know that their words, >spirit and bones will continue to feed generations of Latino artists and >activists. > >We at Calaca Press would like to extend our heartfelt condolences to Lalo's >familia and to anyone who has read and appreciated his lifework. > >Con todo respeto, > >Brent E. Beltrán >Consuelo Manríquez de Beltrán > > >p.s. Below are a few pieces on Lalo: > >1) After hearing the news of Lalo passing Xicanindio poet raulrsalinas dug >through his archives (this brother could have an entire museum dedicated to >his archives alone) to find an Introduction he had written in 1974 for a >book that Lalo was putting together. After finding the piece he contacted a >few people, including the Calacas, and shared it with us. Raul asked us to >share this with you. > >2) The second piece was written by La Calaca Review editor Manuel J. Velez >(Lalo was featured in La Calaca Review). It reflects on meeting Lalo for >the first time last year at a series of readings Manuel organized in El >Paso. It includes two poems that Lalo wrote while in El Chuco. > >3) The third piece is from Rocky Mountain News columnist Tina Griego. It >gives a good sense of who Lalo was and includes his poem Stupid America. > > >+++ > > > >INTRODUCTION > >Llego al canton de Antonio y Linda (& Monica) Cardenas to bum my monthly >cena, which allows the hungry poet to function (survive!) on hotdogs the >rest of the time; y me salen con que hay un manuscrito which awaits an >intro . . . by me! > >Se trata de que el prolific Gordo has just dropped in from the wilds of >Oregon with a new (again?) publication Bajo el Sol de Aztlan, hot off the >press, ready for distribution, and fiercely clung to by massive arms. Y >como se esto no fuera suficiente, he unloads the manuscript of 43 Costales >. . . mas, for me to deal with! ¡Orale, pues! Le hago el try. > >So here i am, now, not merely producing poemas in frustrating creativity, >pero tambien writing introductions to Raza (inspiring) poets' books. Poets >who have tread poetic grounds longer than i have tried hooking up my >versos, los unos con los otros. ¿Y porque no? If WE are to define >(acknowledge) Chicano Literature as the unique reality (vida) that it is, >entonces vale mas salirle al toro. > >The writings of Abelardo came to me behind 40 foot walls. Occasional >copies of Chicano Press publications accidently received in (or smuggled >into) the U.S. Penitentiary at Leavenworth, Kansas, laid heavy classics on >us. Pintos reading "Stupid America," that mini-manifesto of profound >indictment, came to grips with their personal situations for the first >time; the realization of being colonized & criminalized by an insensitive >and corrupt system of government. Many of our beautiful young poetas (yes, >ameriKKKa, we're coming at you from every rincon/rendija of Aztlan!) cut >their eyeteeth on "25 Pieces of a Chicano Mind" and "The Chicano Movement: >Some Not Too Objective Observations." > >Then came "el encuentro" en Idaho. Ricardo lo dijo primero . . . /but i too >saw/ un gigantesco grizzly/ Bear bronceado/ come charging down/ las >avenidas del amor/ He came/ tumbando obstáculos/ esos obstacles que hacen/ >keep our rios (de aqua fresca) from flowing/ nuestras florestas brillantes >from blooming/ our canciones (gritos del alma) unsung. /LALO, acompañado >con/ su osito (future poet-crónico de Aztlan). /iva derrumbando mitos/ >long existent/ Mitos que hasta las mejores mentes (gentes)/ have so >scholarly embraced/ Myths that lend a further credence/ to magnanimous/ >Social Lie;/ that mentira fostered & festered by decadent/ politico >regimes. > >Abelardo "Lalo" Delgado is an enigmatic figure en el movimiento. La area de >activism en cual el Gordo hace operate es la de migrant health y migrant >education; su dedicacion is nonetheless, bien firme. Considered a moderate >by some, others find his ideas (visiones) to be of a radical nature. One >obtrusive "observer" has called him a religious mystic, his more intimate >compas say que es "muy carbon." > >En su vida personal tambien, Lalo ever appears as the jolly ho-ho-ho-ing >poeta. Pero en realidad, lleva sus viejas cicatrices y heridas frescas, >ondamente . . . que siempre duelan. He has painstakingly been a father . . >. many times in absentia. He has also been a husband . . . remains a >husband . . . with the same ambivalent intensity of joy and hurt. He is >seldom mistaken for an intellectual, but the cachitos of wisdom he offers >us througn his poemas, are of a substance that would make an "intellectual" >cringe with shame. He has become more cynical and satirical in later years >(who can escape it in this society?), yet he continues to have faith; faith >en la gente. He is seriously committed to effecting social change. His >humanist manner is FOR REAL! > >The body of this new coleccion covers the entire range of Lalo's obra >poetica . . . ! y mas! Por su via >religiosa-naturalista-erotica-filosofica-satirica-cinica-simple-profunda-politica, >se ve una direccion fija, mucho mas encompassing que antes. Seattle le hizo >bien al Fats, and the Queen City will never again be the same when Lalo has >left for other places, away from our midsts. > >Because of Sr. Delgado's paciencia (i've been on this intro casi un año!) >and his unselfish attention to carnales in the pintas throughout the >country, where he is allowed to enter, i am totalmente convinced that his >cora is . . . without duda ninguna . . . as big as the tire (la llanta) >which makes up his rotund midsection. > >In these tiempos tormentosos, times of Watergate, of no more Teran >introductions (because of that bastard bomba in Boulder) . . . of Carrasco >dead en Las Paredes de Hons'vil (instinctive refusal to be caged) . . . >tiempos when social change viene en tortuga/ taruga . . . when many of us >grow tired by the day, nos resbalamos, cachuquiamos or, at least, nos >quedamos patinando for a while, wondering if there'll ever be time to sit >and write and think. La lucha sigue, and through all this storm and >turbulence, i am relieved to know we still have Lalo, to flash de vez en >cuando, these essential espejos/ reflejos of our souls. > > >raulrsalinas >seattle, washington >julio del '74 > > > >+++ > > > >I met Lalo last October at EPCC. I had arranged for him to come to El >Paso and do some readings at EPCC, Bowie High and The Clinica La Fe's >Cultural Center. All three events were wonderful and Lalo was so full of >energy. The vato came out of Bowie High mas cansado after an hour of >poetry at the top of his lungs and still gave an amazing performance in >Segundo the next night. That's why the news of Lalo's passing continues to >leave me stunned even twenty-four hours after I heard the news. > >I guess because I invited him, I had the honor (and I mean that sincerely) >to drive him around town between various events and his relatives' homes. >Some memories of those days still remain vivid in my mind, and I know now >they'll never fade: > >I can still hear the conversations in my car on Friday, on our way to Bowie >High School. Lalo is sitting shotgun in my little nissan sentra and behind >us are Henry Irigoyen and Mario Chavarria, two of Segundo's veterano >activists who, through the whole trip, call over to Lalo and remind him of >some desmadre that happened years ago in the barrio. "Ay. Te acuerdas >cuando nos robamos el kegger from your daughter's wedding?" and they would >laugh for a few seconds before moving on to another story. > >I still remember the morning I met Lalo. I had arranged for him to come >and speak to one of my English classes at EPCC. The class began at nine >and Henry Irigoyen was supposed to bring him over to the room. But as the >clock moved closer to 9:00, no one had heard anything from Lalo. When 9:00 >o'clock finally came around, I figured Lalo had decided to spend time with >his family instead. Shrugging my shoulders, I grabbed my bag and walked >out of my office, piediendole disculpas from an older vato who happened to >be standing in the hallway by my office door. I walked into the classroom, >explained to the students that Lalo wasn't going to make it, and realized I >had left my book in my office. I told my students I would be right back >and I ran to get my book. In the hallway, the same vato stood, kinda >looking this way and that until he finally fixed his look upon me. I >slowed down. It still hadn't hit me at that point (that early in the >morning my senses haven't completely hit 100%) when I asked him if he >needed some help. He kinda looked at me and asked, "Manuel Velez?" Right >then I realized that this man, holding a folder and some books in his hand, >looking as lost as a freshman on the first day of high school, was Lalo. >He had decided to eliminate the middle man and called EPCC to get my office >number hoping to meet me before class. But for reasons that I just can't >explain, the vato made it to my office but never knocked on the door, >choosing instead to wait for me to come out. When I finally did, again for >reasons I could never explain, he just let me walk past him without saying >a word. > >Later on I asked him about it and he told me my office door was locked and >he didn't want to disturb me. Me. Disturbed by Lalo Delgado. His poem >"It's Bicentenial Time, Carnales" hung on the walls of the MEChA office at >UTEP while I was a student there. I read it everyday for three years. I >wanted to write like that. Me. Disturbed by Lalo Delgado. Todavia no me >entra. > >While I was driving around with Lalo through El Paso's light brown streets, >I would notice that he would take a yellow legal pad from his bag and write >some lines down. Later on he shared with me what he had been writing. >They were two poems; one about/for EPCC and one about/for Bowie High >School. He read them out loud to me in the front of his hotel then tore >out the pages from the pad, handing them over to me. I have, I swear, >intended to take the Bowie High one over to the campus, but instead it sits >in my file drawer, safely tucked into some folders (I want to think that >I've been just been waiting for a good moment to take it down, maybe type >it up nice for them; but I think the closer truth is that I just don't want >to give it away). The truth is, I just remembered that I had them. I live >about three blocks away from Fort Bliss and every night, it seems, at about >11:00 the slow notes of "Taps" floats onto the air and falls on my yard >like fog. I'm sure it's in honor of the soldiers dying in Iraq, but >tonight while I smoked my cigarette and heard the trumpet begin its first >note, I could only think of Lalo. That's when the poems came into my >memory. I pulled them out, read them several times, and decided I wanted >to share them with you. I'll probably send the Bowie poem over to Bowie >this week. I haven't decided yet but in the meantime I offer them in his >memory. So all of you can get a glimpse of the Lalo I got to know on a few >days in October last year. > >Manuel J. Velez > > >At Bowie High >Lalo Delgado > >When Liz and Loui, >who go to Bowie, >sing, "We're loyal to you, Bowie High" >they don't sing a lie. >More than fifty years ago >I was a student >in this historic institution >and I'm still loyal to Bowie High. >When this school touches students >Its finger prints >remain forever. >There's glory >and pride >in that four year journey >through Bowie's >halls and classrooms. >Bowie's teachers are unique, >one of a kind educators >with balanced hearts and minds >who share wisdom >with the knowledge they impart. >Those brown and dark eyes >of Bowie students >shine bright in the night >always ready to fight. > >October, 2003 >El Paso, Texas > > > > >At EPCC >Lalo Delgado > >It's Fall at EPCC >And Re living is easy >It's Valle Verde >Of the growing family >Of El Paso Community College >Who now cast a large >Academic shadow. >EPCC's humble birth >Is now ancient history >And the future beckons >A determined cadre of students >And a committed faculty. >Among the students and profes >Are some with a common [?] heritage, >Are Mechistas, Si Señor, >Who won't look back anymore. > >October, 2003 >El Paso, Texas > > > >+++ > > > >Lalo Delgado: beloved icon, poet > >By Tina Griego >Rocky Mountain News - July 24, 2004 > >An icon in this city died Friday. > >His name was Abelardo Barrientos Delgado. Everyone knew him as Lalo. He was >a poet, a teacher, a gentleman. He was one of the rare few in this town who >earned the right to be called a community leader. He dedicated his life to >it, to us, Latinos, Chicanos, Mexicanos. > >"Our poet laureate and peaceful warrior is dying," was what Estevan Flores >said in the e-mail he sent out Friday morning. > >Estevan broke down crying when I called him three hours later to say that >Lalo had died. From all parts of the country, condolences are arriving. >Lalo Delgado was one of the nation's most renowned Chicano poets, a man >whose biography needs an extra page just for his awards, whose words and >ways inspired hundreds of people. > >At the home of one of his eight children, the telephone won't stop ringing. >Hugs are given and coffee is brewed and outside so many cars crowd the >street a neighbor calls the police while thunder rumbles and the rain >pounds. "That's dad," his daughter, Amelia Cruz, says, "out with a bang." > >A few years ago, a friend of mine gave me Lalo's name on a slip of paper >and told me that he would teach me Spanish if I wanted a good teacher. I >did not know then but realized later that Lalo may have been a good Spanish >teacher - I never found out - but the language he taught was the language >of vision, of hope, of expectation and desire. > >He wrote of social justice, death, of fathers unrecognized, women denied, >hearts betrayed. He wrote on napkins and toilet paper and the margins of >newspapers. He wrote in English and Spanish. He gathered pages of his work >and slid them between plastic sheets, snapping them into binders along with >lottery tickets he played and stamps from letters he received and job >applications he filled out. Then he gave them to each of his 19 >grandchildren, every book as unique as each of them. "34 Guadalupes of >Abelardo" he wrote to his grandson, Raymond, "so that when you grow up, you >will get to know me . . . even if I am not around." > >As he was dying, he started a fresh notebook he called "Delgado's Command >Post," and he recorded the date of his biopsy and the egg he had for >breakfast and upon those pages he christened the tumor consuming his liver, >"the monster." > >"The battle begins," he wrote and when his hand was still strong, he >declared: "Don't buy me flowers just yet." > >"The president says prosperity is just around the corner," reads one of his >hundreds of poems, "but most likely it's around that dry river where the >INS is baptizing undocumented workers. In the name of the father and the >son and the falling Wall Street." > >"The I is dead," he wrote in another, lamenting conformity and >commercialization. "Advertisers watch the funeral and grin, theirs is >nothing short of mortal sin. They are the ones who dared evacuate the minds >of men. To place them in a M&M." > >He skewered racism in his most famous poem, "stupid america," written in >1969 during the rage and fervor of the Chicano movement. Should you have >forgotten, Denver Public Schools were still deliberately segregated then. > >"You don't have time to rest," he once said. "You have to keep sharp and >keep fighting." > >Lalo Delgado was a "man of both borders," says Ramon del Castillo, his >friend and fellow poet. Born in Chihuahua, Mexico, Lalo moved to the United >States when he was 12 years old. Not long thereafter, he began writing. He >was a "dreamer of great dreams" a Catholic newspaper article said, in a >story describing the 22-day hunger strike he went on to prod the Catholic >archdiocese into providing more low-income housing. > >He taught in Seattle, in Utah, in Texas, and for the last 17 years he >taught Chicano studies at Metropolitan State College. He was a former >director of the Colorado Migrant Council and a worker at the Justice >Information Center. > >Does all of this convey the man Lalo Delgado was? I am afraid I do not do >him justice. I don't possess his vision, but am moved by his spirit when I >say that he was a man who emanated and radiated and illuminated. He had an >easy laugh and a fierce stubbornness and the love and strength of his wife, >Lola, who stood by his side for more than 50 years and was not any more >ready to let him leave than he was to say goodbye. > >"Please," he told the doctor earlier this week, "if you can just give me a >little longer." > >And the doctor, with tears in his eyes, said there was nothing he could do. > >In 1974, while he was teaching literature in Utah, the University of >Northern Colorado invited him to come and read. Del Castillo, then a >student, was assigned to meet him at the airport. > >"At the time, you know, you could wait at the gate and I remember this guy >with a serape came out and I looked at him and he looked at me and he >shouted, 'Ah-hooaa," and I went "Ah-hooii," and he gave me this big bear >hug, and I didn't even know him. He was a lively spirit. > >"I remember being awakened at 5:30 in the morning by someone singing in the >shower and it was Lalo . . . . One time I got invited to read for the >Hispanic Republicans and I said, 'Lalo, what do I do?' He said, 'Go, Ramon, >and make sure they never invite you back.' " > >Final words. There are none for Lalo Delgado. There are only words, his, >and we are lucky to have them. > >stupid america, see that chicano > >with a big knife > >in his steady hand > >he doesn't want to knife you > >he wants to sit on a bench > >and carve christfigures > >but you won't let him. > >stupid america, hear that chicano > >shouting curses on the street > >he is a poet > >without paper and pencil > >and since he cannot write > >he will explode. > >stupid america, remember that chicanito > >flunking math and english > >he is the picasso > >of your western states > >but he will die > >with one thousand masterpieces > >hanging only from his mind. > >- Abelardo Barrientos Delgado, 1969 > > > > >-- >=================================== >Calaca Press >P.O. Box 2309, National City, Califas 91951 >(619) 434-9036 phone/fax >http://calacapress.com calacapress@cox.net >=================================== >Red CalacArts Collective: http://redcalacartscollective.org >New from Red CalacArts Publications: >¿Under What Bandera? >Anti-War Ofrendas from Minnesota y Califas > ISBN 0-9717035-3-1 / $7.00 / Saddlestitched / 44 pages >=================================== >Available from Calaca Press: >La Calaca Review edited by Manuel J. Vélez > ISBN 0-9660773-9-3 / $15 / Perfectbound / 152 pages >=================================== >Calaca Press is a member of the RPA http://razapressassociation.org >and the Save Our Centro Coalition http://saveourcentro.org >=================================== > >c/s ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:37:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: WORD IS BOND MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit please post Camaradas, El Barrio & the Welfare Poets present "Word is Bond" weekly poetry open mic Tuesdays, 9pm until Midnite $5 entrance where: Camaradas, el Barrio 2241 1st avenue on 115th Street El Barrio , NYC #6 train to 116th Street (212)348-2703 Camaradas opened in the spirit of factory workers and the fostering of camaraderie in watering holes, Camaradas reflects an industrial and rustic feel in its wood and metal design and decor. The bar/lounge offers a selection of 35 different beers with several on draught, as well as wines from Chile, Spain, Germany, California and elsewhere. The \"entremeses\" include alcapurrias, a tasty mofongo, an array of salads, skewed Satay beef, spicy calamari, chocolate empanadas and many other mouth-watering delights. WORD IS BOND: Join published, non-published, old - new poets, singers, multi-lingual griots, declamadores, pleneros, and rhymers for this popular open mic. ***last Tuesday of the month features the Welfare Poets performing www.welfarepoets.com performing/educating/organizing welfanos of the world through information and inspiration Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:53:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: If you're in Ireland Comments: To: kevinkillian@EARTHLINK.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A multi-genre reading/performance at Mother Redcaps near Christ Church in Dublin, 6pm-12pm: I'm down for 11.45pm: Wed Aug 4th. A reading by myself, and maybe others, at the Newman Institute in Ballina, Co. Mayo, Fri Aug 6th, 8pm. Last week I read at Feile Iorrais in Belmullet (very remote place)(International Folk Arts Festival) and I don't recall seeing any of you there! Mairead www.wildhoneypress.com www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:17:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Steinberg Subject: Re: Plot as Resolution Effect In-Reply-To: <20040802083403.96855.qmail@web61009.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Besides various OULIPO projects, there's also "Making Shapely Fiction," by Jerome Stern which has fifteen "shapes" or plot structures, as well as a short guide of what not to do and a list of fiction related definitions. It's a good how-to book. Hugh Steinberg --- coby tucker wrote: > Was reading this interview with Brad Senning in a > recent Potomac and wondered if anyone knows a > sourcebook for plot devices. It seems that something > interesting is being said here, I'm just missing the > basics. > > Aside from that, can anybody point me to fiction > writers doing interesting things nowadays with plot? > I'm hearing about Pynchon here for the first time. > Godard? Beckett? There's so much yet to read. > > Coby Tucker > > > > The traditional love story has a part where two people > meet, then a conflict, then a resolution. If it’s a > twisted love story, three people meet instead of two. > If it’s a comedy, there’s a conflict, resolution, > conflict, resolution, conflict, resolution, etc. If > you’re going to write a comedy sketch, you’ve gotta > have some rat feces in there. These are hard and fast > rules. The trick is telling a story that follows the > effects of a formula without following the formula > itself. Or not the trick, but the preoccupation, it > seems. Or I don’t know if it’s preoccupation, but > people certainly think about it a lot. Film-makers, > writers and artists. All seem to work from within, > while reacting against, time-honored formulas. It > could be inverting the formula (Godard did everything > the film academy said he couldn’t do—close-ups with a > wide-angle lens, shooting action against a white > background), or evading the formula (Beckett teased > audiences with a plot that never moved forward). But > no matter how good an artist is, the formula is still > there in some trace form or another. The conflict in a > Thomas Pynchon love story may be a man wondering if > the woman he’s seeing allows other men to put a finger > in her anus, but it’s a conflict all the same. > > For me, it was around the time I started getting a > series of past due notices in the mail that I realized > plot is a series of attention-grabbing moments. This > is the formula I’m most interested in, and I will > continue to not pay my bills if only to study it. It > may be that the plot is the place where the motives of > the characters and the motives of the story converge, > but it’s also simply the story’s repeated focus. As > when staring at a shape for awhile means the shape > goes everywhere you look. In a detective story, the > clues the private eye uncovers in a steadily revealed > plot are symbolic repetitions of the original murder, > and the story maintains its plot by way of this > repetition. Similarly, in a Hitchcock film, the plot > to poison someone is illustrated by showing a close-up > of the drink, then a still shot of the drink, then a > shot of two people talking tensely through the cavity > of the glass. So that repetition is the key ingredient > in the suggestion of plot. > > As soon as I realized this, I began to write very > short pieces in which a repeated word or phrase would > create the same effect as a traditional plot. As for > resolution in a story like this, I mean it to have > more like a “resolution effect,” as when a man and a > woman having a fight are next seen having sex. A > resolution, as when the fat lady sings or the cannons > go off in the symphony hall, is not so much real as > understood, through expectations of closure as much as > anything else. And right now this is a fun thing to > play with. Whether or not I can sustain something like > this for an entire novel about breakfast, there are a > lot of questions about whether the subject of > breakfast is worth a novel. Or whether or not ten days > from now I’ll be interested in lunch. In the meantime, > I’m eating a lot, because I believe in researching my topics. > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 04:19:32 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sawako Nakayasu Subject: Factorial goes Amazon! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, In spite of its nomadic editor, Factorial is still alive...but has shifted its distribution to Amazon.com. (Too much work, flying to San Diego to check for orders, cash checks, mail out books...) SPD rejected Factorial, so Amazon it is. The first two issues are now available there (listed as One Factorial & Two Factorial), the third issue is being typeset right now - a Japanese/English/French trilingual issue! With a Gozo Yoshimasu manuscript page on the cover! Stay tuned for more! By the way...the first issue is worth getting for the front and back covers alone, but it also features excerpts from Body Image, a Waldrop/Howe collaborative Burning Deck book that is also selling on Amazon for $247. Sawako ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:13:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Lives of Eminent Assyrians 20 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ilu-Mer was accustomed three-fold / go before taken off dove hushed usual meadow then simple struck cadence / similar awakening lashes encircled / local binding eyes / separate newly bloomed called pleasant irreproachable contempt dressed plowed land variegated dishes prepares fireplace's garments turn profit trifles / specks affect color beckon / attendants / plot correspondence curled enclosure adorn verses / speculate invaluable appearance halts divide invented / think fit make ready corpse storehouse complain placed against / labor invaluable crown / cut / always claim dew green / balance float cast ashore breathes out counterfeit unceasing cuttings compared to Ilu-Mer / course preens iridescent separate delay boundary spring take back / slavery living becomes stagnant waterfalls' / condition formerly meter the papers / were called prostitutes puns steal verses coarse / sharpened full range compared to snakes' poison discerning heavens kneaded peevish thickets / duped minute insects fretful it pleases acknowledge suspicion / confirms secret table unfeeling unreasoning foreboding bargains / deceive poetry write flagrant diminishes imaginary / blame miserly uncertainties cattle a wind / spattered slanting flicks price running / downward face dropped rag fuss smuggled / money thievery tax / imaginings fashionable snares inhabitants assemble ornamental / farmland shriveled meadows variously / prey scissors / torture ruined spittle in red letters dragged about w/out performance money's / deceived maligned harmless plot giddily / turning corpse revelry quarreling accentuate thicket / pass by confiscated blood-stain imperial softeners play upon undermines bloom / evening bell hunting horn adorned lifelike soil call forth funeral songs streaked spotted each / flattering once / won cold more children reward contempt / sought hurried go / astray bound as / silently ruined frail sky earth / securely waves astrologers infected remainder then spared / not Ilu-Mer creatures prepare flee / deceiver slippery hindrance throat sweet / also shamefaced insignia swallowed up what reward exalted crowd coffers / goods throng overfed hourglass / nearby tomb buttons dried / charity rulers wither unreliable formerly briskly noble lying in folds / inwardly laid waste creature / obliged penetrable reward provisions / severally poisonous ensnare / discern eagar support detain / burdened praise impartially malignant esteem blackened / split capriciously shroud buttons mirror / allotted progeny roving-resplendent loss / past / count surpasses prediction luckiest /anew dwelled / together scarcely latched appearance adorned drawn up / arrayed clipped crisp curled combed larynx lyrics lynx / onyx squashed sphinx / crowd-length burnt eye lightning immeasurable edge iron locked / doubted reeled wielded / latch grant / judgment a whit anything _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:14:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Chicagopostmodernpoetry.com NEW PROFILES; Paul Hoover, Maxine Chernoff, Rodrigo Toscano, Laura Sims, Dodie Bellamy, Stacy Szymaszek Live August 3, 2004 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit AUGUST CHICAGOPOSTMODERNPOETRY.COM New Profiles of Paul Hoover, Maxine Chernoff, Rodrigo Toscano, Dodie Bellamy, Laura Sims, Stacy Szymaszek August and September Reading Calendar NOTE to POETS* If you are reading in Chicago, Milwaukee, Madison, Champaign, Bloomington Normal, South Bend or Iowa City over the next year send chicagopostmodernpoetry.com your schedule so that we can include that in our calendar. Regards Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:26:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: before celan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 they are, no doubt, our gradual wheel in turn arresting every image from its recourse its stalled-birth it still has a mind to build our indwelling has no doubt arrived from this reading we come full circle full light to be the given -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! 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Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:08:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 7 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Thus there were a number of "Purity Leagues" and "Red > Squads" among the poetry world, magazines determined to wipe out > modernism and return poetry to its Georgian roots. Filreis quoted > from many editorials and also the private correspondence of the > magazine editors. They weren't all dopes either, he made that clear, > the way that Whittaker Chambers was no dope and actually did know > quite a lot about poetry. These guys were determined to get rid of > Modernism and they nearly did, at least in the 1950s they had thinned > it out to a mere white paste of Robert Frost and Scott Fitzgerald and > other "safe" writers they could parade around on State Department > money and brag that the US always respected the rights of > intellectuals... Was Whitaker Chambers still talking to Zukofsky on any level after World War II. Has anybody characterized the relationship Was Chambers Jewish? How much of the Fugitive etc. attack on Modernism also operates as the High Church's tradition fed repellence of anything involving a Jewish mix, as well as, I suspect the unwashed Irish thrown in, as well. Kevin, I think - as I have often suggested - you are quite accurate about the omission of the impact of the visual arts on the shaping of Poetry, and/or criticism. In terms of the West Coast, it's quite easy to see the impact of painters like Graves & Mark Toby, and Lloyd Reynolds (Reed College Calligrapher) on bringing in (India) Indian, Japanese and Chinese thought & meditation practices, as well as any number of 30's & 40's attention to the pure object (Weston, Lange, A Adams, etc.) In terms of Gay influence/presence - Minor White - has a strong reciprocal relationship with the work of James Broughton. I suspect Graves' influence is not one of sexual orientation(or any politics) - at least as any subtext within the images of birds, etc. - but a quality of attention at home with his religious practice. (Vedanta?) Lange and several other WPA artists can be connected to the politics. In the East, I suspect, one would certainly have to include Ben Shawn, particularly the photographs as as person with great influence and presence among writers. It is interesting to juxtapose the era's west coast 'giants' of Rexroth and Roethke - the former out of "the box" and the latter in. The box being the formalism of the East, and the gods that protected that box. (Ironically, I like them both). R Duncan always seems a little torn between keeping up with the Euro modernist footprint (often shaking it as hard as he can) or turning East and sharing the lead with Lou Harrison - and the other composers, many of whom were gay and shaped by the toned based progressions of the far Pacific. But, back to your 'art blind poetry critic' point, I do think many undergrad and grad programs in writing would benefit greatly from the history of the infusion of music, painting, photography. Etc. Especially, as more than ever we move into an 'adobe photo-shop' multimedia world of text, sound, & image- I think such knowledge will would often enhance critical work, in terms of fully looking back at earlier writing and, at least, provide a larger or different kind of horizon for new writing -even if one remains making objects in text only. Locally at the SF Art Institute - at least by example of visual and critical interest - has a teaching lead here. The only points where I see this happening is the much discussed nexus of New York School writers, artists and artworks. Tho I suspect those relationships are (again) up for critical grabs. As you suggest, locally, a little Jess and Duncan can go along way, where I don't know if anyone has explored the relation of the operations in Jess' collages with certain strategies of Spicer?? Anyway, Kevin, it's been a provocative delight to you read these "O" accounts. (Maybe there are more?) Did I already call you, "Gide by the Bay." I think it's true. Keep that eye, ear and body travelng. It's great to appreciate your knowledge and whatever humor and twist comes down the pipe Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 18:53:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kreg Hasegawa Subject: SEATTLE READING: David Ohle & Diana George--August 8th (Sunday), 7:00pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For you devil fish a-lurkin.... ------------ Hello, This is just a friendly reminder. Please note that Motorman is currently out.... and running. Available = through Small Press Distributors and 3rd bed. Copies should also be = available at the reading. Hopefully The Age of Sinatra will be as well. www.spdbooks.org www.3rdbed.com Best, Kreg ------------ I. The Info =20 =20 WHAT: The Projects Reading Series WHO: David Ohle (Lawrence, KS) & Diana George (Seattle) WHERE: 1506 Projects Art Gallery / 1506 E. Olive Way, Seattle, WA = 98122 (Capitol Hill) WHEN: August 8th, 7:00pm (Sunday) HOW MUCH: Free CONTACT: Kreg Hasegawa gerky@earthlink.net 206-720-1325 =20 NOTE: If you wish to be taken off this email list, just reply and let = me know. =20 =20 The Projects Reading Series is hosting the third of an ongoing reading = series located at 1506 Projects, a small, intimate art gallery on = Capitol Hill. Readings are scheduled at the writers=92 convenience. = Diana George is one of my favorite writers in Seattle. Her material = always surprises me. Her work borders the fantastic and the scientific, = written in hard, careful prose. Her stories conflate fiction, theory, = research, and text. Her theme is death in its most material = manifestations (I=92m reminded of a lecture she gave a long time ago = reflecting on the parallel developments of embalming and photography in = the late 1800s). The theme is dark, and her writing reflects this with = thick, distended sentences. Her writing is also dedicated and humorous = and generous in its concentration. She has been away for the past two = years so I=92m very happy to have her read again in Seattle. =20 I am in debt to Stacey Levine for introducing me to David Ohle, whom = I=92m very proud to be hosting. Ohle is the author of Motorman, = originally published in 1972. It will be reprinted by 3rd bed, and its = sequel will be published by Softskull Press. Motorman is a satire about = Moldenke, a good-natured anti-hero who never seems to know who is = pulling the strings, where they are being pulled from, or how or why. = The circumstances are shadowy. The insinuations, oblique. As the = writing sample below points to, the writing is =93lateral.=94 It = interacts with the reader=92s thoughts via tenuous associations. The = comparisons between Moldenke=92s world and ours, although of course = similar, are also quite removed so that this world of Moldenke=92s = ensnares the reader in its own despairing logic, which is inevitably = sideways. =20 Thanks to Dianna Molzan, Neal Bashor, and Sarah Bergman at 1506 Projects = for allowing me to use their space to present Diana George and David = Ohle. I hope you all will be able to join us. =20 =97 Kreg Hasegawa =20 =20 =20 II. The Bios =20 =20 DIANA GEORGE Diana George lives in Seattle. Her fiction has appeared in 3rd bed, and = the Denver Quarterly. She=92s a founding member of the Seattle Research = Institute; she helped edit their first book, Politics without the State. = She lives in Seattle. =20 =20 DAVID OHLE David Ohle is the author of Motorman (Knopf, 1972) and Cows Are Freaky = When They Look at You (Watermark Press). Motorman is due to be = re-released by 3rd bed press this Summer. Softskull Press will be = publishing its sequel, The Age of Sinatra, around the same time. His = memoir of William S. Burroughs Jr. is also due to be published this year = by Grove-Atlantic. He is currently working on Queer, a screenplay based = on the novel by William S. Burroughs. His fiction has appeared in = Esquire, Harper=92s, The Paris Review, TriQuarterly, and elsewhere. He = teaches at the University of Kansas. =20 =20 =20 III. The Work =20 =20 from Selvedge by Diana George =20 Where the Suicidists lived and what they saw =96 these are as important = as my work with the tapes and the notes. The somber progress of the = distant container ships, the way they suffer the tugboats=92 hectoring = proximity, the immense river-mouth that appears to climb straight up the = horizon rather than to spread out flat, all these combine to induce a = yearning that might easily collapse into despondency. A certain = hopelessness, too, is inherent in the depth of the channel and the = superceded shallows of the port: the town was built for ships long ago = but cannot harbor them now. The formation of the Suicidists=92 = particular sensibilities was probably coeval with the emergent history = of container-shipping on that river; no one has investigated this yet. = In my contributions to the Total Annual, such connections will be, must = be, examined. =20 =20 =20 from Motorman by David Ohle =20 After the mock War was apparently over, the army let Moldenke go. He = found work as a bloodboy in a gauze mill outside Texaco City, a klick or = two from the LA limits. He started low and remained there, sure that = safety embraced felicity on a mattress of obscurity. He knew that = vertical activity invited dazzling exposure, and that to seek is to be = sucked. He recognized loneliness as the mother of virtues and sat in = her lap whenever he could. He practiced linear existence and sidewise = movement, preferring the turtle to the crane, the saucer to the lamp. = He enjoyed the downstairs and chafed at going up. All of this, despite = what his mother had told him: =93Sonny,=94 she had said, a circle of = rouge on each of her cheeks, her eyes like basement windows. =93Son,=94 = she said, =93I want you to always have a job to go to, no matter what it = is or where it is or what it involves. What matters is whether or not = it lets you go up.=94 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:56:03 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: Another SUBTEXT event SEATTLE reading series MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subtext, in conjunction with Richard Hugo House, presents a special suppl= ement to Subtext's monthly series of experimental writing with a reading = by Ron Silliman. The event takes place at the Richard Hugo House on Thurs= day, August 12, 2004. Donations for admission will be taken at the door o= n the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. [Please note that this will be the second Subtext reading in August. Nath= aniel Tarn & Janet Rodney will be reading on Wednesday August, 4th.] Ron Silliman has written and edited 25 books to date, including the antho= logy In the American Tree, which the National Poetry Foundation has just = republished with a new afterword. Since 1979, Silliman has been writing a= poem entitled The Alphabet. Volumes published thus far from that project= have included ABC, Demo to Ink, Jones, Lit, Manifest, N/O, Paradise, (r)= , Toner, What and Xing. Woundwood, his most recent book, is one section o= f VOG. His http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com is one of the most widely read blogs = on poetics in the English language. Silliman was a 2003 Literary fellow of the National Endowment for the Art= s and a 2002 Fellow of the Pennsylvania Arts Council and received a Pew F= ellowship in the Arts in 1998. He lives in Chester County, Pennsylvania, with his wife and two sons, and= works as a market analyst in the computer industry. An extensive bibliography can be found at: http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/a= uthors/silliman/pub.html The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: September 1- Chris Mann (NYC/Australia) and Zhang Er (Olympia/China) October 6- Margareta Waterman (Portland) and Marion Kimes (Seattle) October 24- Critics as Performers #2: Marjorie Perloff & Charles Altieri = (both Bay Area) at Henry Art Gallery November 3- David Abel (Portland) and William Fox (New Mexico) December 1- Catriona Strang and Nancy Shaw (both Vancouver, BC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= akeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:01:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Photo Poem for Murat Nemetphoto-Nejat MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Photo Poem for Murat Nemetphoto-Nejat misin? general possession 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STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 00:47:45 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: [Dear Fred] by derek beaulieu Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press [Dear Fred] an open letter to Fred Wah by derek beaulieu $2 ===== derek beaulieu is the author of with wax (Coach House Books, 2003). He is currently working on a suite of paintings which interpret a single day's newspaper, and is transcribing the proceedings of the 1963 Vancouver Poetry Conference. His work can be found in numerous magazines including Open Letter (for which he is co-editing with jason christie a forthcoming issue on the canadian small press), West Coast Line, Matrix, Queen Street Quarterly and most recently in translation in Revue Le Quartanier. His "calcite gours 1-19" was featured in STANZAS #38 (above/ground press). ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' a complimentary copy. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Michael Holmes, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, lori emerson, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes, Rachel Zolf + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by derek beaulieu, J.L. Jacobs & Rob Budde. bibliography on-line. ======== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:11:22 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin-- Thanks for the reports. I think a poetic death list is a fantastic idea. Besides Jess Collins croaking this year here is the poet death toll. Please, others, keep adding to it. I apologize in advance, if you knew some of these people, but not their death, as this list may ruin your day, and lead to candle buying, or driving with your lights on, or washing dishes without gloves for a week, depending upon your geographical location. But since poets deaths are sorely under publicized, from my memory, here goes those who went this year: Pedro Pietri Radoy Ralin Carl Rakosi Thom Gunn Mattie Stepanek Natan Yonatan Marianne Halley Chametzky Cid Corman Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:13:22 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'nite mom' mom, 'nite' nite mom nite..mmm...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 02:16:40 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit brighton sea borne wave borne foam born 'nother day at the beach...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 03:10:13 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Trehy Subject: Text Festival 2005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A Festival of poetry and text art in 2005 www.textfestival.com Tony Trehy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:37:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: China Dogs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Poetic Inhalation has just published my ebook CHINA DOGS. You can access lots more interesting stuff (besides mine!) from this address: http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_chinadogs.pdf Mairead ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:25:14 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: break-up it's the right word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Main character is a female I don't know what else to say I don't know what else to say I don't know what else to say I don't know what else to say I don't know what else to say but so far nada... In the meantime if your circumstances change, or if for any reason you do not wish Relis-toi, sois objectif, plus si beau, plus si touchant et demande-toi à lire, bizarre où nous avons perdu l'important à présent? le sens du fais quelque chose Cyrill "Avoid eye contact." Subject: espagne ANPE = INEM CAMARAS DE COMERCIO Sorry, I wasn't more help to you to pry into your personal you in some way should get a ¤5 Unity card tomorrow and try ringing directly De: the Astonishing À: Cyrill Duneau things improve shortly very depressed and suicidal. Can you seem very angry and unapproachable Je ne sais pas interactions over the Internet. The physical t'admire pas. Je ne t'aime pas. Tu me dégoûtes. fat offers to that addition, added evidence die. alors tu ne sacrifies rien!!! Mais tu prends les gens pour des imbéciles!!! What you may not Je ne sais pas comment interactions over the Internet. The physical Je ne sais pas comment te faire interactions over the Internet. The physical comment te faire comprendre les choses. anything I can do you mean a break-down might be able to help and then I think of dusting you have loved -- first love, or a failed to do it to, so little time... or the love of the tube Turn on your life, or how you loved interactions over the Internet. The physical break-up it's the right word. I thought Anyway, I'm sorry that you are so upset Maybe you've noticed comme ça? Tu n'as pas d'appart! SORRY MY MISTAKE Tu n'es qu'un pauvre mec! (Martial music swells in the background) Tu crois que tu leurres qui Uh huh ... nom féminin pain (= chagrin) grief; distress each of disarm experiment work Tu n'as pas de boulot! OFFER STILL STANDS Tu n'as rien know -- or care about -- is Je ne Objet: Leave me alone There is 1 issue in this message. Are you going to e-mail the Samaritans? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:48:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: what happened MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed what happened something is wrong with your it should move shouldn't it it should move a little bit http://www.asondheim.org/bloom.gif http://www.asondheim.org/bloomed.gif yes, there is an accompanying cinematic experience that will be placed at your attention http://www.asondheim.org/blooming.mov these will be combined with astonishing insight within your mind altogether a download of six megabytes, not too strong, not too weak this is queasy and worrying because it is within Theweleit of course that the relationship of marine estuarial production and human development is tied to ideology _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:21:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ooops one woman on your like or 2? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:20:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit more too bern porter tomaso catfish mcdaris - a suicide too many more i forgot and the poemusicians all men too strange ???? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:46:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Five Months After US-led Coup, Mayhem Rules Haiti's Streets Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Five Months After US-led Coup, Mayhem Rules Haiti's Streets: Roger Noriega Says "What The Fuck Do You Expect From Kidnappers?" by Mikel Nambybear They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:07:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: how something stole my heart without knowing Comments: To: ironweed_collective@lists.riseup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed love what do you do too me? Am I monk among heats of summer days as if sometimes southern ways are more sacred than stories what does he say? The man suffers love to give and seeds to sow but doubts his madness keeps pacing with a thought that he only had one life to live but he doubts something around him in the air, sounds on grounds just now understood and he wants to laugh at the offense and find pardon in his actions a guy in the south found a joke today... what do you call an Catholic Anarchist? funny very funny... like all he wants to do is talk to a woman and feels like the dumbest man in the world for it no walking on grounds without sounds that reflect the troubles in the trouble hearted. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:23:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab / Alena Hairston Subject: FW: anthology on women's writing seeks submissions - 10/15 deadline MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>PUB: anthology on women's writing seeks submissions ============================================= For Their Own Purposes An anthology of innovative women writers and their ideas on writing Purpose Originally designed as a research project delving into the use of rhythm as an instrument of cultural expression in the creative work of women writers, For Their Own Purposes has evolved into a metalinguistic venture concerning the perceptions women writers have about their own work, about the work of others, and about the field of contemporary creative writing in general. The goal of this project remains, however, to bring about a new, interdisciplinary awareness of the ways in which changes in culture have impacted, and continue to impact, the work of American women writers. And conversely, the ways in which women use writing to comment on those changes. Format A series of critical essays will be shaped by the project's editor from the responses garnered to a survey on a myriad of subjects related to the search for the nature of "womanhood," specifically the cultural composite crafted by women themselves in this regard in the field of writing. In addition, some survey responses, either in full or in part, will be included in the text of the anthology to intertextualize and support these essays. Some contributors may be asked to lengthen their responses to include a full essay on a particular topic, at the discretion of the project's editor. Finally, along with these metalinguistic rejoinders, contemporary poems by women whose writing is demonstrative of the innovative, cultural expressions the project is seeking to investigate will be interspersed throughout the essays to produce a cohesive text that personifies the metalinguistic nature of the project. The project will cohesively annotate the cultural changes and innovations found in the poetry of women writers. For Their Own Purposes will represent a well-informed and productive study by the disciplines it seeks to influence possessing both academic and literary merit. Survey Please feel free to respond to these questions as briefly or elaborately as you desire. You may choose specific questions to respond to or respond to the survey in full. 1.In your opinion, have women writers responded in any discernibly patterned way to the cultural changes women have experienced as a population group since the beginning of the Twentieth Century? If so, has this been a conscious/deliberate response? 2.As a women writer, how do you define contemporary womanhood? How does your interpretation of it, or its challenges and rewards, reveal itself in your writings and/or in your interpretation of other women writers' work? 3.How would you define "innovative" writing? 4.Do you believe that a "feminine rhythm" exists? Or feminine sounds? Or feminine forms? Etc.? Why or why not? 5.How do you feel that the theory of essentialism, the idea that women's writing always reflects some essential characteristics of the population group, impacts the thesis that women writing unconventionally may be doing so for their own purposes? 6.Who, in your opinion, are the leading contemporary women writers in so far as "innovation" and "cultural expression" come into play? Why? 7.Do you believe that "innovation" is conscious/deliberate? Do you yourself think about writing in this way as you are doing it? 8.At a time in literary history when "free verse" is supposedly the predominant poetic form in use, how do you, as a woman writer, account for recognizable forms appearing in poetry by some contemporary women writers? How do you see the structural freedom of free verse impacting your own work? 9.What predominant themes do you perceive in the work of contemporary, innovative women writers and/or in your own work that is self-reflexive, that is that it addresses the role of women writers, i.e. power/control, feminity/masculinity, etc.? Are these themes exaggerated or intensified in innovative poetic works? 10.What specific historical period comes to your mind when you think about redefinition of "womanhood" and what poetry from that period, by women writers, seems to support the use of innovative writing as an expression of that redefinition or women's struggle for or against it? 11.How do you see gender studies, or other academic disciplines such as the humanities, actively rising to the challenge of, or not dealing with, the need for a new literary context through which the work of women writers can be studied and appreciated against the scenery of history and cultural change? Is there a need for a new lens through which the writing of women may be viewed? 12.In your opinion, how has being a part, or not being a part, of academe influenced the work of contemporary, innovative women writers? 13.Lucky #13) What existing texts would you recommend for someone wanting to study contemporary women writers and/or contemporary women writing innovatively? Call for Submissions Poetry by contemporary women writers is being sought for a critical anthology investigating the innovative ways in which women are responding (consciously and unconsciously) to the cultural changes they are experiencing as a population group. Please submit up to three poems with a SASE, Acknowledgements, and a brief biography to P.O. Box 5648, Saginaw, MI 48603 (please note, if your work is selected for publication you will need to provide it on 3.5" floppy disk, or CD-R) Formatting of submissions should adhere to the following guidelines: All forms of poetry are accepted; Individual poems should not exceed sixty lines; Title and pages number should appear in headers for multi- page documents; All entries should appear left justified; Previously published works and simultaneous submissions are accepted; Previously published works should be cited. Deadline The deadline for submission of survey responses and poems is October 15, 2004 (postmarked). Writers and survey contributors will be notified by December 15, 2004 of acceptance. Publication of the project is intended to occur in the spring of 2005. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:26:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab / Alena Hairston Subject: FW: call for submissions--maafa reader MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>PUB: call for submissions--maafa reader =================================== Call for submissions to the Maafa Reader Project To celebrate the tenth anniversary of the San Francisco Bay Area's "Black Holocaust Remembrance," scholars, poets, writers, artists are invited to submit work for inclusion in this reader. The goal is to have a reflective record of the various ways African people in the Diaspora recall the Middle Passage, honor the ancestors, and heal the trauma. Maafa is a Kiswahlli term that means great catastrophe or disaster, the type of unresolved trauma which reoccurs if not addressed. We hope the response to the call is national and international drawing on those stories or residual memories, and consequences of having been forcefully removed from our homeland five centuries ago. The call is also for those left in Akebulan (Ancient name for Africa), to reflect on the devastation this loss was on families and communities left behind. What has this cultural drain been to the collective consciousness? What should or how does the New Afrikan feel in abstention? Who's responsible for our enslavement? Can we forgive those who sold us, those who bought us? We are especially interested in the stories of incarcerated African men, women, and children in group homes and foster care. This in itself is its own special type of Maafa. Reflect on the whole notion of freedom. What does it mean to be free? And while you're at it, what about what's due to those who labored for centuries without pay? Are reparations in order? Choose your topic. There is no length requirement; just be clear, succinct and edited. Files can be sent in Microsoft Word or doc. files. Mail hardcopies to: Anthology Editor P.O. Box 30756 Oakland, CA 94604. Please include a short, no more than 50 words, bio with your work. You will be notified by March, 2005 as to whether of not your submission was accepted. Deadline: January 31, 2005. -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:35:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Birth of a New Poetic! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Recently, at chris murray's texfiles: http://texfiles.blogspot.com --Birth of a New Poetic!--Sofia Anne Herron, newborn of Patrick and Janet Herron--Aug 2 --Scott Pierce, Texfiles Poet of the Week --IMG SRC="Tornado Alley" and "Beadwork, *Chatelaine" --from Anna Eyre's *Metaplasmic* (Effing Press, 2004) and lots more: come on by and take a scroll through virtual tex, Y'all ... Enjoy! Best Wishes, chris murray ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:07:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Any more info on Catfish McDaris' death? I only knew him through Shrimp! and a couple other things by Showerhead press, Sorry to hear about him Thanks Patrick Dunagan ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Dalachinksy Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:20:15 -0400 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 > more too > > bern porter > > tomaso > catfish mcdaris - a suicide > too many more i forgot and the poemusicians all men too strange > ???? -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:15:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The Cheney Prophesy Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The order of events: Dick Cheney has fired his doctor. (Drug laundering, the charge). He has undergone tests with his New Doctor. Cheney's New Doctor has determined that he will not survive four more years of Public(!) service. Cheney announces his resignation (circa, August 15). Either former Mayor Gullianni or Senator McCain will be chosen as the replacement for the Vice President. The questions: 1. Will Lynne Cheney permit the exit of her husband? Meryl Streep - as in The Manchurian Candidate - would be good at acting out her opposition. Lynne is going to lose a lot of candy and influence 2. Will ditching a Vice-President associated with Haliburton, the continued defence of the Al-Queda/Iraq connection, etc., etc. be good enough to give Bush an electable bounce? In any case, either Gullianni or McCain are going to look like opportunists or masochists depending one's perspective. All the speculation that's fit to print! But, I suspect, the center and left are going to have to shift to deal with this one. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:31:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 In-Reply-To: <20040803200753.E8C2C3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> more too >> >> bern porter >> >> tomaso >> catfish mcdaris - a suicide >> too many more i forgot and the poemusicians all men too strange Lyx Ish aka Elizabeth Was ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 15:29:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: The mask of altruism disguising a colonial war: Oil will be the driving factor for military intervention in Sudan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The mask of altruism disguising a colonial war Oil will be the driving factor for military intervention in Sudan John Laughland Monday August 2, 2004 The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/sudan/story/0,14658,1274182,00.html If proof were needed that Tony Blair is off the hook over Iraq, it came not during the Commons debate on the Butler report on July 21, but rather at his monthly press conference the following morning. Asked about the crisis in Sudan, Mr Blair replied: "I believe we have a moral responsibility to deal with this and to deal with it by any means that we can." This last phrase means that troops might be sent - as General Sir Mike Jackson, the chief of the general staff, immediately confirmed - and yet the reaction from the usual anti-war campaigners was silence. Mr Blair has invoked moral necessity for every one of the five wars he has fought in this, surely one of the most bellicose premierships in history. The bombing campaign against Iraq in December 1998, the 74-day bombardment of Yugoslavia in 1999, the intervention in Sierra Leone in the spring of 2000, the attack on Afghanistan in October 2001, and the Iraq war last March were all justified with the bright certainties which shone from the prime minister's eyes. Blair even defended Bill Clinton's attack on the al-Shifa pharmaceuticals factory in Sudan in August 1998, on the entirely bogus grounds that it was really manufacturing anthrax instead of aspirin. Although in each case the pretext for war has been proved false or the war aims have been unfulfilled, a stubborn belief persists in the morality and the effectiveness of attacking other countries. The Milosevic trial has shown that genocide never occurred in Kosovo - although Blair told us that the events there were worse than anything that had happened since the second world war, even the political activists who staff the prosecutor's office at the international criminal tribunal in The Hague never included genocide in their Kosovo indictment. And two years of prosecution have failed to produce one single witness to testify that the former Yugoslav president ordered any attacks on Albanian civilians in the province. Indeed, army documents produced from Belgrade show the contrary. Like the Kosovo genocide, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as we now know, existed only in the fevered imaginings of spooks and politicians in London and Washington. But Downing Street was also recently forced to admit that even Blair's claims about mass graves in Iraq were false. The prime minister has repeatedly said that 300,000 or 400,000 bodies have been found there, but the truth is that almost no bodies have been exhumed in Iraq, and consequently the total number of such bodies, still less the cause of their deaths, is simply unknown. In 2001, we attacked Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laden and to prevent the Taliban from allegedly flooding the world with heroin. Yet Bin Laden remains free, while the heroin ban imposed by the Taliban has been replaced by its very opposite, a surge in opium production, fostered by the warlords who rule the country. As for Sierra Leone, the United Nations human development report for 2004, published on July 15, which measures overall living standards around the world, puts that beneficiary of western intervention in 177th place out of 177, an august position it has continued to occupy ever since our boys went in: Sierra Leone is literally the most miserable place on earth. So much for Blair's promise of a "new era for Africa". The absence of anti-war scepticism about the prospect of sending troops into Sudan is especially odd in view of the fact that Darfur has oil. For two years, campaigners have chanted that there should be "no blood for oil" in Iraq, yet they seem not to have noticed that there are huge untapped reserves in both southern Sudan and southern Darfur. As oil pipelines continue to be blown up in Iraq, the west not only has a clear motive for establishing control over alternative sources of energy, it has also officially adopted the policy that our armies should be used to do precisely this. Oddly enough, the oil concession in southern Darfur is currently in the hands of the China National Petroleum Company. China is Sudan's biggest foreign investor. We ought, therefore, to treat with scepticism the US Congress declaration of genocide in the region. No one, not even the government of Sudan, questions that there is a civil war in Darfur, or that it has caused an immense number of refugees. Even the government admits that nearly a million people have left for camps outside Darfur's main towns to escape marauding paramilitary groups. The country is awash with guns, thanks to the various wars going on in Sudan's neighbouring countries. Tensions have risen between nomads and herders, as the former are forced south in search of new pastures by the expansion of the Sahara desert. Paramilitary groups have practised widespread highway robbery, and each tribe has its own private army. That is why the government of Sudan imposed a state of emergency in 1999. But our media have taken this complex picture and projected on to it a simple morality tale of ethnic cleansing and genocide. They gloss over the fact that the Janjaweed militia come from the same ethnic group and religion as the people they are allegedly persecuting - everyone in Darfur is black, African, Arabic-speaking and Muslim. Campaigners for intervention have accused the Sudanese government of supporting this group, without mentioning that the Sudanese defence minister condemned the Janjaweed as "bandits" in a speech to the country's parliament in March. On July 19, moreover, a court in Khartoum sentenced six Janjaweed soldiers to horrible punishments, including the amputation of their hands and legs. And why do we never hear about the rebel groups which the Janjaweed are fighting, or about any atrocities that they may have committed? It is far from clear that the sudden media attention devoted to Sudan has been provoked by any real escalation of the crisis - a peace agreement was signed with the rebels in April, and it is holding. The pictures on our TV screens could have been shown last year. And we should treat with scepticism the claims made for the numbers of deaths - 30,000 or 50,000 are the figures being bandied about - when we know that similar statistics proved very wrong in Kosovo and Iraq. The Sudanese government says that the death toll in Darfur, since the beginning of the conflict in 2003, is not greater than 1,200 on all sides. And why is such attention devoted to Sudan when, in neighbouring Congo, the death rate from the war there is estimated to be some 2 or 3 million, a tragedy equalled only by the silence with which it is treated in our media? We are shown starving babies now, but no TV station will show the limbless or the dead that we cause if we attack Sudan. Humanitarian aid should be what the Red Cross always said it must be - politically neutral. Anything else is just an old-fashioned colonial war - the reality of killing, and the escalation of violence, disguised with the hypocritical mask of altruism. If Iraq has not taught us that, then we are incapable of ever learning anything. · John Laughland is an associate of Sanders Research Associates jlaughland@sandersresearch.com ________________________________________________________ Montreal Muslim News Network - http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net ===================================================== To UNSUBSCRIBE / SUBSCRIBE to our regular e-mailing list please visit: http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/subscribe ===================================================== Listen to Caravan every Wednesday from 2-3PM (ET): http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/caravan.htm _____________________________ Unsubscribe: http://www.ymlp.com/u.php?montrealmuslimnews+rudeduke@telus.net Hosting by http://www.yourmailinglistprovider.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:55:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" [Eating Blueberries] She said in Maine they're cheap, like candy in Mexico City. Oh, they were exquisite. If only I could remember prices better I could tell you how much they were, but no. Ben (Friedlander) wasn't there, but I caught up with him later. And got them both to sign the copy of their Italian Epigrams book I had hauled all the way from San Francisco. I met Ben way back when in the early days of everything, and for his magazine "Jimmy and Lucy's House of K" I wrote my first stumbling attempts to write notices of pop music. I remember writing about Janet Jackson's LP "Control," when was that? And also another article on "That's What Friends Are For" by Stevie Wonder, Dionne Warwick, etc. I think "Jimmy and Lucy" was the only magazine open to printing such work back then, and Ben the only editor who encouraged me to see what I could do critically, and I took to it and never really quit after that and thus, I owe him a huge debt of gratitude. I see now "Control" was released in 1986 and "That's What Friends Are For" in 1985, so he has been helping me for almost 20 years. Good work Ben. Then Carla drove us back to the campus and dropped us off. It must have been during a panel session or something because the whole cafeteria was nearly deserted. Alan and I jawed on and on about everything under the sun. In his unruly mop of long curls he looked a little like Jesus Christ. He's pale too, and has a long face like an odalisque, and big dark eyes that take in the whole world with what looks like sadness but may be something else, fortitude perhaps, or hope. Whichever, he's very striking. We had a great time because I'm such a fan, to me it was like going out to lunch with, oh I don't know, John Cusack or someone. Or Dave Muller. Alan showed me pictures of his daughter Sophie, now one year old; we talked vaguely about our plans for the future. Then we went to room 101 where, with trepidation, I manned the slide projector thinking to myself, I've seen nerds of all description do this with ease, I should be able to handle it! Alas it was not to be so, and most of Alan's beautiful slides of Philip Guston and Ben Shahn and everything else needed someone to jump over my shoulder and re-adjust the focus for me. That simple focus button had so many fingers on it by the time I was through, never was one man aided by so many Good Samaritans, but was my face red! I was never one of those A/V boys, that seems clear, but when I think of all the time I spent glued to the screen, and on Albigensianism, you'd think I'd know more about how to get light from dark. Alan Gilbert urged us not to overlook the aesthetics of the Popular Front and the New Deal as influences in Charles Olson's work. He showed slides that began with a pretty good rundown of the graphic layout of Olson's very first book. Here I thought that book must be Call Me Ishmael but Gilbert showed slides of a pamphlet mass produced by the US government called "Spanish Speaking Americans in the War," a collaboration with the radical painter Ben Shahn, though signed by neither. The pages we saw were extremely striking in that stark Margaret Bourke-White way, with plenty of spiritual gung-ho from Olson. Over the course of the 50s, Ben Shahn found his mass public draining away, and even Olson seemed to tire of him, even though he once acclaimed Olson as his favorite, miles above Motherwell, Rauschenberg and the "other little shit painters." Barrett Watten's talk on "Olson's Historicism" was just as interesting, and fit along the borders of Gilbert's talk like two spoons, based as it was on Olson viewed as a historical poet. Watten's insistence on two versions of historicism, a "historicism in" and a "historicism of" confused me at the time but as I think on it, it makes sense now. He identifies the importance to Olson's project of "an unfolding logic of prospection and substitution: as the scale of the work grows larger, there is increasing pressure on historical fact as object of desire." And again, the insistence on the unique man or woman-The "host of 'isolatoes' who refused to be absorbed by official history and tradition." What's great about Watten is that he always works on two registers at once, in this case, we could see him building a life portrait of Olson with the delicacy and detail of Singer Sargent or someone, and at the same time he was nudging our picture of Olson's thinking so we could spot its peaks and valleys over the troughs of successive postmodernisms. Everything seemed to fit into itself at the end, like Russian kachina dolls, and there was a lot of reference to China's favorite theorist Frederic Jameson. Lytle Shaw, our moderator, had hardly time to get many questions in, so we left buzzing with them. At the very end, while we were streaming out, Robert Creeley asked if he could see Alan's slide of the piece of paper, which RC said he had never seen before, in which Olson had scrawled what some say was his very last poem, "My wife my car my color and myself." (It's from the fabled Olson archive at Storrs.) The slide rose to the screen and clung there, as though about to fall precipitously. In my Gothic imagination it really did look like someone in extremis wrote it. Hooray, that wonderful Andrew Epstein brought me a copy of my review from RAIN TAXI of my new book ISLAND OF LOST SOULS. I went back and sat in the Staar Club reading it, memorizing it. And it turned out, believe it or not, that the review was indeed written by someone I hadn't paid to write it. We then held the candlelight march for Carl Rakosi. Because it was raining, Burt Hatlen suggested holding the "march" in one place and everyone could stand around in a sacred half-circle of sorts. I passed out the candles and lit them with Barbara Cole's lighter, or mourners tipped an unlit candle into a lit one, the wicks united in flame. The resulting spectacle was remarkably beautiful, as the gilded mirrors of the wall behind us doubled the number of candles. I watched the faces of all the people I had come to know over the past few days. Burt spoke, as did Creeley, Hejinian, Sylvester Pollet, Burt Kimmelman, Al Filreis. Each of them read a poem or two, contributed some memories. Lyn said that Amoeba Records, in Rakosi's neighborhood here in San Francisco, would be missing an important customer, for he bought 3 or 4 CDs every day to listen to. Man, that's a lot of CDs. One woman, who had known Leah Rakosi, murmured darkly, "Where were the candles when Leah died?" I thought of how I had bullied everyone into this memorial. But as it turned out, even the once skeptical thanked me for the follow-through. Wish you could see my photos of this event. Afterwards I had a few minutes to myself so I got out my treat, an article I had ripped out of a magazine on the plane (ELLE June issue), the article was all about Scarlet Johansson and it seemed to hint very strongly that not only did Sofia Coppola and Bill Murray freeze her out after they were done making Lost in Translation with her, but that none of her co-stars like her and that she's horrible. Behind her back they call her "Starlet" Johansson. I never knew that! Well it seems there are two kinds of people, one of them thinks Lost in Translation a great movie and Scarlet Johansson America's greatest actress, and the other group is like night and day. Then came time for the central event of the Conference, the black tie Lobster Banquet. Indeed you didn't have to wear black tie, though many dressed up beautifully, many came as slobs, and I looked like such a mess. The banquet was fun. We had a nice table with Peter Middleton, Doug Rothschild, Steve and Jennifer, Miriam, mmm, I can't remember who all else. I was just tucking into this big hearty steak thing when Aldon Nielsen came over and nabbed me. "You are busted!" he said. "You of all people shouldn't be eating steak, my friend." In his exhortations I heard a distant echo of the AA I'd escaped, but he was 100% right, having had problems with his heart too, and right on it. I pushed it away and concentrated on the entertainment, which proved to be a series of speakers (Creeley, Perelman, Perloff among others) toasting the memory of two who had been important to the National Poetry Foundation-one of them Hugh Kenner and the other Carroll Terrell, whom they all called "Terry." To be honest, "Terry" sounded like a terror and Hugh Kenner no prize either. They all acted as if writing for the National Review was some charming eccentricity like smoking a pipe. I heard Kenner give the Oppen Lecture here at San Francisco State one time. He gave the impression of a man slumming in San Francisco of all places. His speech was on the "Little Words" of Oppen, for he had counted how many times "a" and "the" were used in Oppen's Collected Poems. My experience with Carroll Terrell was more limited, and limited to the environs of Orono. They said he had asked to have a door put in between his office and that of Hatlen, to save them the labor of walking out into the hallway, and when University approval for this door wasn't forthcoming, he hired workmen to slam down the wall and carve out a door-sized shape. It was an interesting story, redolent of sex passion at its most primitive, and perhaps borrowed from a similar story in Our Lady of the Flowers? Others not invited to speak said that Terry had been a gay man without a gay identity in this backwater of Maine, and that in old age he had finally approached Allen Ginsberg with a plaintive question, "How do I get to be 'gay'?" to which Allen had no answer. Remarkable was his will and indomitable his spirit. I guess my hat goes off to him but I'm like, wow, glad I didn't have to work under him, I'd be exhausted. However these two did leave behind these super works far bigger than anything I'll ever do, so what's the difference? One speaker remembered how Kenner was scandalized, for he had brought his family to the conference, at one NPF event at which an epigone of Ginsberg had stripped off his clothes suddenly. Eventually Terry had Allen apologize to Kenner for this behavior. Is it me or have you, too, been to too many memorials lately where speaker after speaker comes up with tales that make you loathe the dead? Think I first noticed this at Dan Davidson's memorial where twelve speakers in a row admitted to not being on speaking terms with him at the time of his death. Thus the word "speaker" itself finds a new meaning within itself. Then I finally decided that, Vic or no, Queer as Folk or no, I was not going to go to the play about the Bishop-Lowell letters. That one I'm going to wait to see on the TRIO channel. Instead we went to the open cash bar at Doris Twitchell Allen Village. To our surprise, no one had shown up with any alcohol. Previously every night students would act as bartenders, very professional, with bottles of wine, etc. Lyn came in and assessed the damage. She is wonderfully practical and announced that she would go to the liquor store and buy enough booze to have our own party, so everyone gave her five dollars, ten dollars, whatever, and after gathering $180 away she sailed in full regalia, coming back about twenty minutes later with cases of liquor, everything you could imagine, enough for a posse of clergymen loose in Atlantic City. After a few drinks the noise got out of hand. The camaraderie grew exponentially. I hadn't had a drink in many years and I realized, tonight is really going to be the acid test. Things kind of lost focus for me. I remember talking so much my mouth felt weird the next day. I suppose I felt drunk without drinking. We just kept talking and talking and pretty soon, because we were so far North I guess, the sun started to turn the night pink and then blue and yellow. I'm going to skip over this part because I can't remember all the people I talked to and listened to. Sunday, June 27, 2004 I missed the opening panel session, thus I know I missed some very good papers, but out of curiosity I just couldn't miss the plenary session in which Theodore Enslin read from his poetry. He's a poet of whom I knew very little except that he had written hundreds of books, some of which I had glanced at with the dismissive cruelty of youth, seeing nothing there that I could use for my own self, but now, with my new maturity, I decided to give him another try. No one from the outside world could miss Enslin's resemblance to the old fisherman in I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER, the one with the hook on his hand and that yellow raincoat dripping with blood. I thought he was pretty spooky. The rumor was that he is secretly a multimillionaire who won a huge settlement in a class action suit, and/or that he owns the biggest cranberry bog in Maine. Reactions to his reading style were sharply divided. Was he a master of hypnotic, sensuous, telling observation, a Nadia Boulanger of the word, or was he repeating himself compulsively, like a rabbit with a hiccup? The reading went quickly and resulting in another standing ovation-the second I'd witnessed with my own two eyes during the course of five days. Then I went to the room next door and caught a lot of the "Poets of Maine" reading. Here 14 or 15 locals poets stood up and read in a space that looked like an operating theater. Many of them took the opportunity to dedicate a poem to the now celebrated Margaret Avison, who sat right in one of the front rows with her companion, June. They thanked her for coming to Orono, which was very polite and the right thing to do. I heard all kinds of poetry and wondered to myself what it would be like to be a Maine resident, because some of the poems seemed to inspire such speculation. Some came right out and suggested Maine was really Moloch, but that I knew already from my dedication to Stephen King's novels. And some made it seem like Paradise. Burt Hatlen said to me, "Now are you going back to San Francisco to write up this conference? We expect a novel from you." I said I would try but not to expect a novel. He was just funning I know. Then I went back to Main Street to say goodbye to my two hosts who gave me directions back to the airport. For it was time for me to go. The airport was swarming with big Marines on their way to Panama City. They crowded the sinks in the men's room, shaving and sprucing up. Several of them were distinctly bookish, huddling around the gift shop's stack of Stephen King's latest novel, while others bought out the new issue of Maxim with Anna Nicole Smith on the cover. I kept thinking, Anna Nicole! She could be your mother. Kelly Holt was on the same flight with me and we were both booked for Chicago, layover, then out to San Francisco. We walked through the Northwest Terminal past the Isamu Noguchi sculpture and then I saw Dodie, waving at us and I was home. I got back in time to go to the funeral of the poet Christopher Hewitt, a graduate of the famous Iowa Writers Workshop, who was disabled and who rolled about San Francisco in a motorized wheelchair with a big Union Jack tacked onto it, terrorizing everyone. Lots of candles everywhere. One man got up and said, "I'd like to read a poem, by Rudyard Kipling, that Chris loved." And he recited it from memory, a grand feat. But I'm all like, that isn't by Kipling, but I didn't know who it was by: See how, beneath the moonbeam's smile, Yon little billow heaves its breast, And foams and sparkles for a while, Then murmuring subsides to rest! Thus man, the sport of bliss and care, Rises on time's eventful sea, And having swelled a moment there, Thus melts into eternity. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:11:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 8 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thomas Moore, Kevin. I do wish I'd managed to escape to Orono; thank you for posting on it. ~ Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Killian" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 8 One man got up and said, "I'd like to read a poem, by > Rudyard Kipling, that Chris loved." And he recited it from memory, a > grand feat. But I'm all like, that isn't by Kipling, but I didn't > know who it was by: > > See how, beneath the moonbeam's smile, > Yon little billow heaves its breast, > And foams and sparkles for a while, > Then murmuring subsides to rest! > > Thus man, the sport of bliss and care, > Rises on time's eventful sea, > And having swelled a moment there, > Thus melts into eternity. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:21:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents Elliott Smith Tribute Live this Sunday Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit hi all, here's the first boog event in a long time with no poets reading, though elliott smith has always been one of my favorite writers. Also, the dollars raised go to a great cause (see below). as ever, david ---------------- Please Forward ---------------- Boog City's Perfect Albums Live presents Elliott Smith's self-titled second album Sunday, Aug. 8, 8:00 p.m., $8 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery NYC Six NYC musical acts reinterpret this Elliott Smith classic--in order, track-by-track--in tribute to the late musician on the weekend he would've turned 35. All proceeds go to the Elliott Smith Memorial Fund, which benefits abused children through art. Performed by: Aaron Seven Neil J. Cavanagh Cheese to Bread Elizabeth Harper The Olga Gogolas Matt Lydon Preceded by a screening of the Jem Cohen short Lucky Three (a portrait of Elliott Smith) Hosted by Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Venue is at foot of 1st Street, between Houston and Bleecker streets, across from CBGBs. Call 212-842-BOOG(2664) or email editor@boogcity.com for further information http://www.sweetadeline.net/esmf.html http://www.cheeseonbread.com/ http://www.elizabethharper.net/home.html -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:46:57 -0700 Reply-To: Thco2 , mistybarnett@excite.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: IT IS TO DO WITH MINISTRY OF CHILDEREN &FAMILIES MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit British Columbia, canada http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/28564.php IT IS TO DO WITH MINISTRY OF CHILDEREN &FAMILIES by I AM NOT TO SURE . Tuesday August 03, 2004 at 08:27 PM mistybarnett@excite.com 604-860-4842 474 Rupert Street I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY STORY WITH THE MINISTRY OF CHILDEREN & FAMILIES PULBIC BECAUSE THEY ARE CHANGGING THE STORIES AND I AM GETTING PISSED ABOUT IT ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT A LITTLE TO MUCH SO I WANT TO LET OTHER PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING TO FAMILIES.SO COULD YOU PLEASE HELP ME I DO NOT KNOW WHERE TO START WELL ON FEBUARY 12 2004 AT 2:30PM THE MINISTRY OF CHILDEREN AND FAMILIES HAD COME TO MY DOOR I HAD NO IDEA WHY THEY WERE THERE BUT MY DOOR WAS OPENED SO THEY WERE MORE THEN WELCOME TO COME IN I HAD NO PROBLEMS OR NO WORRIES UNTILL THEY HAD TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD A PHONE CALL SAYING THAT MY BOYFRIEND HAD BEEN SELLING COCAINE FOR STOLEN GOODS.WHEN THEY HAD SAID THAT WE HAD ASKED THEM AND THE COPS TO SEARCH OUR HOME TO PROVE TO THEM THAT WE WERE NOT DOING THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID WE WERE DOING AND IF WE WERE WHY WAS MY DOOR WIDE OPEN AND I WAS SITTING WITH MY THREE MONTH OLD BABY TALKING AND GETTING HER READY TO GO SEE THE DOCTOR.WELL IT HAS BEEN SIX MONTHS NOW AND THEY ARE CHANGGING THE SUBJECT AND TELLING THE COURTS DIFFERENT AND THEY ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON SO THEY KEEP PUTTING THE COURT DATE OVER AND OVER I WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT IT SO THAT IS WHY I AM TRYING TO TAKE IT PUBLIC I HAVE ALL MY COURT PAPERS I HAVE EVERY LITTLE THING YOU WILL NEED TO PUT THIS ON THE NEWS. SO COULD YOU PLEASE CONTACT ME AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU MORE ON THIS PLEASE AND THANK YOU. mistybarnett@excite.com See: http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/10/17551_comment.php#17777 ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:02:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: Check out Bob Holman on SpiralBridge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out Bob Holman on SpiralBridge http://www.SpiralBridge.org/home.asp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Rejected posting to POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=--__JNP_000_1d58.28da.6b8b This message is in MIME format. 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Please resend your message at a later time if you still want it to be posted to the list. ----__JNP_000_1d58.28da.6b8b Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: (qmail 27816 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from mailscan1.acsu.buffalo.edu (HELO localhost.localdomain) (128.205.6.133) by listserv.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 18:46:28 -0000 Received: (mailscan1 scanner-smtpd 1.39 1.9 1.15); 03 Aug 2004 18:46:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 21587 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2004 18:46:28 -0000 Received: from m24.lax.untd.com (64.136.30.87) by smtp1.acsu.buffalo.edu with SMTP; 3 Aug 2004 18:46:28 -0000 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: FPFQJqvG+t1RbHxIweNtOqNxc1NG3anKz4KWaS5c9GTtIbYrhG9orQ== Received: (from skyplums@juno.com) by m24.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id J35NLAWC; Tue, 03 Aug 2004 11:45:33 PDT To: jillsr@aol.com,kolmrank@verizon.net,STills@GWLISK.COM,nm658@nyu.edu, morganoh@earthlink.net Cc: derek@CALAMARIPRESS.COM,editor@BOOGCITY.COM, POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU,Christineravena@aol.com, worksonpaper01@HOTMAIL.COM,bektom@aol.com,blackj@bigmagic.com, avant2go@yahoo.com,bonnyfinberg@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:48:47 -0400 Subject: Fw: Fw: gigs Message-ID: <20040803.144848.-181025.22.skyplums@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.33 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-3,6-9,11-12,15-16,18-19,21-22,24-27 From: skyplums@juno.com -Subject: gigs correction housing works gig AUG 27 - just changed it below hi all i've got a couple of readings coming up and they're free to the public . i'm particularly happy about the one on aug 27th at housing works on crosby st w/ john voight and lucas ligeti here are the postings 1. aug 15th 7 pm at downtown music gallery on the bowery w/ gunther hampel 2. aug 21 7-10 pm at the c-note on ave c to celebrate kerouac and amram we'll be reading from old angel midnite and hearin ole david tell stories and play and sing 3. aug 22 3-9pm at tribes gallery 285 e 3 st all day with many other great poets and musicians in celebration of charlie parker 4. aug 23 at 7 pm in woodstock ny at the colony ( a great place i've been told ) w/ the wonderful george wallace a great friend and poet 5 . aug 27 7 pm at housing works on crosby st w/ lucas legeti and john voight 2 wonderful musicians i hope you can make one of these for info call me at 121 925 5256 or e me thanks steve ----__JNP_000_1d58.28da.6b8b-- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:36:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: jungamer move MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed jungamer move jungamers move jungamer move jungamerican move http://www.asondheim.org/jungamers.mov wasn't able to use out.bvh before because > 1 meg "The head that created, lived the higher life of art, that recognized and grew accustomed to the higher demands of the spirit, that head has already been cut from my shoulders. What remains is memory and images created and not yet embodied by me." (F. Dostoevsky to M. Dostoevsky, 12/22/1849) __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 02:42:44 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit .... ? .... ! .... ....0.......n... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 03:51:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: wwiii.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed wwiii.mov i am sending this out as a communique already dead there is no destination for this film already dead it is a communique of the blast and of the silence we are waiting in new york city for the world war ad how the train slips along the tracks and time slips time slips as well and we hurtle towards are deaths we are innocent and we are guilty this is a dead film of a communique http://www.asondheim.org/wwiii.mov _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 04:09:07 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: o.o.o Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guest, Barbara & Kellian, Kevin OFTEN Buffalo: Kenning 2001 Stapled decorated wrappers... bit soiled small fold back wrapper in unknown hand prob. Killian's on rear blank end paper "5/25/03 Be as pure & harmless ass (sic) a dove & wise as a serpent" from the 48 cent table of the Strand almost like having company.... nite m..mo..mon..mongolian mom....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:10:19 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Immediate Authority? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sam Tanenhaus, the new editor of the NY Times Book Review, is interviewed in MediaBistro.com (http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp) and has this little exchange about poetry: "How about poetry? How does poetry fit into the mix as part of modern literature? We are now in the planning stages of a major issue focusing on poetry, because it is an essential part of the literary tradition we are living in. Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority that other kinds of writing do, but our objective is to introduce readers to poetry as a vital part of contemporary literature." My question is: what does he mean by Immediate Authority? Ron Silliman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:12:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: what the fucks going on In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://transdada.blogspot.com/ what the fucks going on: -states vote to limit rights - hate crimes are on the rise -trans folks risk illegal injection of silicon to fit in -being queer gets one assaulted or murdered -sodomy and gay insults are used as torture -woman are raped in the sudan as a form a genocide and nothing is done . . . . . .have we forgotten our humanity, or is this what its comes to; a homogenous heterosexual binary . . ... when will we stand togather and embrace the diversity and protect it from slowly being murdered off inch-by-inch, name-by-name, one body at a time .......when will we take a stand against the violence done in the name of religion. ... a history of planets, animals, cultures, people and sexual and gender diversity is being wiped from the face of the globe in the name of what?... when will we stand up and face our own death to stop this......!!!! what the fucks going on and when will be stop it...? please call you government representatives and stop ENDA, get involved, stop hate, stop the destruction of the earth... if our life is not with stopping this destruction and hate.. what is a life worth...? kari http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Wednesday, August 04, 2004 -Galz members beaten up, chased from Zimbabwe book fair -Gays in Pakistan Risk Harsh Islamic Retribution -Woman charged with administering silicone injections -Coalition of groups forms to defeat proposed amendment to state constitution -APD charges University student with hate crime -Gay & Lesbian Advocacy Group Launches Campaign In African American Newspapers -Bush courts Catholic voters, who could play a big role in November -Australia mulls ban on gay marriage http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Tuesday, August 3, 2004 -Missouri Voters Amend their State Constitution to Add Discrimination "Fundamental Human Rights Should Never be up for Popular Vote" -ENDA as We've Known It Must Die -For the first time, transsexuals may compete in the Games -Told To Act Like A Girl -Sexual orientation no reason to violate rights, -Sexual orientation no reason to violate rights, WARC delegates told -Paramilitaries deny gay death threat in Northern Ireland ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:20:24 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: $36 Trillion In Iraqi Oil Unaccounted For Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ $36 Trillion In Oil Unaccounted For: After Extensive Search U.S. Admits It Can't Find Iraqi Oil: Europe Asks "Is Cheney Holding Out?": Recriminations, Threats, Resignations Abound At White House: Fleischer: "Where's My Cut?": Poland: "I Thought We Had A Deal?" By JEFFEY LUBE The Assassinated Press 6/3/03 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:34:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ooops one women on my piece reading it and 2 on my mind sweet mama. >From: Steve Dalachinksy >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 >Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 13:21:04 -0400 > >ooops one woman on your like or 2? _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:35:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? Comments: To: ron.silliman@gte.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd suspect Tanenhaus is implying something like: Poetry will have nothing (short of some weak, distant butterfly effect) to do to alter the events of the coming four years... and beyond. As of 8/4/04 everything (anything) with any authentic authority should be deployed immediately (see Kari Edward's message of urgency)... and poety's not in the running to be called up. Gerald Schwartz > Sam Tanenhaus, the new editor of the NY Times Book Review, is > interviewed in MediaBistro.com > (http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp) and has this little > exchange about poetry: > > "How about poetry? How does poetry fit into the mix as part of modern > literature? > > We are now in the planning stages of a major issue focusing on poetry, > because it is an essential part of the literary tradition we are living > in. Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority that other kinds of > writing do, but our objective is to introduce readers to poetry as a > vital part of contemporary literature." > > > > My question is: what does he mean by Immediate Authority? > > Ron Silliman ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:42:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: "FRIED SPECULARITY" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed FRIED SPECULARITY Fusion of Courbet & his dog suggests right hand & wrist at the center of the composition into the canvas carrying a brush loaded with paint. Expanded & explicit self-portraits of the painting working in depictions of left & right within “The Stonebreakers”. Search pursuing very nearly anti-theatrical interiors rises exactly as the theatre—the “Diderotion” does not apply. Courbet the Ideal would be to bypass the mirror entirely understood as such / seem openly evolved light reflective mirror-like from the surface. A privilege placed in both artists’ oeuvres. Respective tasks which I have interpreted images of the body. Two theoretical observations. You can’t make that left hand really be there. Barry Alpert Written during art historian & poet Michael Fried's lecture entitled "Immersion and Specularity". Wanting to continue the possibility of serial acrostic and/or diastic sonnets as a "writing performance" during his six Mellon lectures, I finally concocted a title which would yield a "sixteener" as well as invoke Gus Blaisdell (founder of "The Living Batch" press & bookstore) who had told me of his interest in publishing a book by Michaed Fried during what turned out to be our last conversation. You can access a rather recent poetry reading by Michael Fried at the University of Pennsylvania (introduced by Susan Stewart) by visiting: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/linking-page/Fried-2004.html _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:44:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Immediate Authority rests in the ability to communique effectively through a medium (particularly one not saturated with gliches and external controls). If a medium has powerful external controls, then the message may be two fold or have multiple implications not directly understood by audience/ participant. However, if the ability (in this particular case poetry) has been effectively established as the only means to communicate one thing (let's say revolution), then an un-mediated authority can always be trusted. Say billy joe is guy numero uno (let's play mafia for a bit) & his only purpose is too raise a red flag in front of his house when there is trouble. If he walks down the street and casually says to a younger guy or women (let's assume a relay man) "The weather is good today." It could be raining or it could be the hottest day of the year, but due to the nature of the communication, what the man has just said could be considered poetry because poetry is more a matter of intention than intent. In other words, there is no distinguishing characteristic to poetry, only how it means. Authority is always immediate and present. Kind of like a clear and present danger. Peace, Ian PS. Also, a list serve archive would be what Jaques Derrida has called "the new book." Editing of the content of the list serve also constitutes an editing of the "book" and destroys one possible function for list serves as historical and literary reference. >From: Gerald Schwartz >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:35:38 -0400 > >I'd suspect Tanenhaus is implying something like: Poetry >will have nothing (short of some weak, distant butterfly effect) >to do to alter the events of the coming four years... and beyond. > >As of 8/4/04 everything (anything) with any authentic authority >should be deployed immediately (see Kari Edward's message of >urgency)... and poety's not in the running to be called up. > >Gerald Schwartz > > > Sam Tanenhaus, the new editor of the NY Times Book Review, is > > interviewed in MediaBistro.com > > (http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp) and has this little > > exchange about poetry: > > > > "How about poetry? How does poetry fit into the mix as part of modern > > literature? > > > > We are now in the planning stages of a major issue focusing on poetry, > > because it is an essential part of the literary tradition we are living > > in. Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority that other kinds of > > writing do, but our objective is to introduce readers to poetry as a > > vital part of contemporary literature." > > > > > > > > My question is: what does he mean by Immediate Authority? > > > > Ron Silliman _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 00:36:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Barwin Subject: Re: Introduction & Coach House Books In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm a Canadian writer & composer living in Hamilton, Ontario. I've published several fiction collections, a collaborative novel (with Stuart Ross), numerous chapbooks & small press ephemera, and two poetry collections from Coach House Books (Outside the Hat, and Raising Eyebrows.) I've been involved with small press around Toronto for around 20 years. I have a Ph.D. in music composition (from UB). Much of my music focusses on the interaction of text and music, often mediated by computers. On a clear day, my large intestine looks like my small intestine and my small intestine looks like my large intestine, depending on your perspective. Last week, I attended a large gathering in support of Coach House. As you may know, their "landlord," a U of Toronto affiliated cooperative housing needs to create new housing spaces for students and so wants to tear down at least some of Coach House's venerable coach house buildings on bpNichol Lane to make way for new buildings. The gathering today was fantastic in that, in addition to "civilians," several generations of Canadian writers were there -- "first generation" Coach Housers like Victor Coleman & David McFadden, but then second and third generations too. A fantastic showing of support from almost 40 years of forward thinking Canadian literary history. And there was free beer! (The petition to support Coach House is at www.chbooks.com/savech ) I look forward to following & participating in this list. Best, Gary ______________________________ GARY BARWIN garybarwin.com escargot post: 180 Dufferin St. Hamilton ON Canada L8S 3N7 pharyngeal access: 905-525-7545 flea mail: himself@garybarwin.com telepathy: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:56:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Introduction & Coach House Books In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit welcome aboard Gary, we need more input from the Canadian small press scene on this list. are any of your text/music compositions online? mIEKAL On Thursday, July 29, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Gary Barwin wrote: > Hello all, > > I've just joined the list and thought I'd introduce myself. > > I'm a Canadian writer & composer living in Hamilton, Ontario. I've > published several fiction collections, a collaborative novel (with > Stuart > Ross), numerous chapbooks & small press ephemera, and two poetry > collections from Coach House Books (Outside the Hat, and Raising > Eyebrows.) I've been involved with small press around Toronto for > around > 20 years. > > I have a Ph.D. in music composition (from UB). Much of my music > focusses > on the interaction of text and music, often mediated by computers. On a > clear day, my large intestine looks like my small intestine and my > small > intestine looks like my large intestine, depending on your perspective. > > Last week, I attended a large gathering in support of Coach House. As > you > may know, their "landlord," a U of Toronto affiliated cooperative > housing > needs to create new housing spaces for students and so wants to tear > down > at least some of Coach House's venerable coach house buildings on > bpNichol Lane to make way for new buildings. The gathering today was > fantastic in that, in addition to "civilians," several generations of > Canadian writers were there -- "first generation" Coach Housers like > Victor Coleman & David McFadden, but then second and third generations > too. A fantastic showing of support from almost 40 years of forward > thinking Canadian literary history. And there was free beer! (The > petition > to support Coach House is at www.chbooks.com/savech ) > > I look forward to following & participating in this list. > > Best, > > Gary > ______________________________ > GARY BARWIN > garybarwin.com > > escargot post: 180 Dufferin St. Hamilton ON Canada L8S 3N7 > pharyngeal access: 905-525-7545 > flea mail: himself@garybarwin.com > telepathy: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > 24/7 PROTOMEDIA BREEDING GROUND http://www.joglars.org http://www.spidertangle.net http://www.xexoxial.org http://www.neologisms.us http://www.dreamtimevillage.org "The word is the first stereotype." Isidore Isou, 1947. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:45:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nuyopoman@AOL.COM Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 2 Aug 2004 to 3 Aug 2004 (#2004-217) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/4/2004 12:12:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LISTSERV@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU writes: DIED Tomasso, elegant street poet in Borsalino Bob Holman Proprietor, Bowery Poetry Club (holman@bowerypoetry.com) 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston, across from CBGB) NY NY 10013 2126140505 Visiting Professor, Columbia School of the Arts (rh594@columbia.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:48:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Pinter awarded Wilfred Owen prize for poetry opposing Iraq conflict MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,6109,1275553,00.html Harold Pinter's verses against the invasion of Iraq (specifically for his collection of poetry entitled WAR, published in 2003) have helped earn him one of the highest accolades for a modern writer on war. God Bless America (January 2003) Here they go again, The Yanks in their armoured parade Chanting their ballads of joy As they gallop across the big world Praising America's God. The gutters are clogged with the dead The ones who couldn't join in The others refusing to sing The ones who are losing their voice The ones who've forgotten the tune. The riders have whips which cut. Your head rolls onto the sand Your head is a pool in the dirt Your head is a stain in the dust Your eyes have gone out and your nose Sniffs only the pong of the dead And all the dead air is alive With the smell of America's God. Democracy (February 2003) There's no escape. The big pricks are out. They'll fuck everything in sight. Watch your back. Weather Forecast (March 2003) The day will get off to a cloudy start. It will be quite chilly But as the day progresses The sun will come out And the afternoon will be dry and warm. In the evening the moon will shine And be quite bright. There will be, it has to be said, A brisk wind But it will die out by midnight. Nothing further will happen. This is the last forecast. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:49:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Benefit Tonight @ Bowery Poetry Club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Announcement: http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/99494/index.php Flyer: http://nyc.indymedia.org/usermedia/image/4/large/PoetryBenefitBowery.jpg Come Party at the Bowery! Come and party with the No-RNC Video Collective tonight 6-9pm as we get down with music, poetry, and video screenings at the Bowery Poetry Club! Featuring: Frank Perez Mariposa Eliot Katz Corie Feiner Diat Elena Giorgiou Helena D. Lewis Imani Kamal Jenn Elliot Danny Schechter Papoleto Raj Raymond Medina Tony Lombardi Jean Lehrman Angels of Love El Extreme Ordinary Joe Greg Fuchs Jan Clausen Franchone Ghost Mic Mo Beasly Another upcoming benefit is at the Nuyorican (www.nuyorican.org) on Sunday, August 8th from 3-6:30pm. **SOME OTHER LINKS TO RNC ORGANIZING** http://rncwatch.typepad.com/ http://www.rncnotwelcome.org/ http://www.counterconvention.org/ http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1810 http://nycplc.mahost.org/updates3.htm http://www.notinourname.net/rnc/ http://www.nycsummer.org/ http://www.stillwerise.org/ http://www.nycimcvideo.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:23:06 -0400 Reply-To: Geoffrey Gatza Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Organization: BlazeVOX [books] Subject: Fw: An invitation to 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau - October 1-2 Comments: To: ImitaPo Memebers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Thom Didato=20 To: tdidato@clmp.org=20 Cc: epaquin@medaille.edu=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:27 AM Subject: An invitation to 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau - October 1-2 The Council of Literary Magazines & Presses (CLMP) invites you all back = to Buffalo for the: 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau October 1-2, 2004 9am-4pm Medaille College 18 Agassiz Circle (Parkside Avenue and Rte. 198) Buffalo, NY This year's two-day event is presented by Medaille College, SLOPE/Slope = Editions, and Starcherone Books. Once again, it will be a showcase of = America's best independent publishers, with a book fair, panels, = workshops, and readings all day both days - as well as special evening = events both nights. Last year's Buffalo Indie Lit Luau drew several hundred indie = publishers, bookstore owners, readers, and writers for two days of = celebration of small press fiction and poetry--and this year's event = should be even bigger! The keynote readers will be award-winning writers = Denise Duhamel and Raymond Federman, and publishers expected to attend = include BlazeVox, BOA Editions, Book Thug, Ecopoetics, FC2, The Gig, = Kiosk, Maissoneuve, Parakeet, Rain Taxi, Verse Press, White Pine Press, = and many more! So, you ask, how can I participate in The 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau? = It's easy (and free!) Magazines and presses interested in participating = must register by September 10th. To do so, simply complete the one-page = online registration form at: http://www.clmp.org/fairform.html Whether you are a publisher located in the greater American north or the = "Great North" (a.k.a. Canada), or from another region entirely and = simply looking to expand your name and audience, the Buffalo Indie Lit = Luau is a great publicity opportunity for your publication. Even if you are unable to attend the 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau, you = can still send copies of your journal to ensure your presence! Thus, = please take a minute to fill out the easy online registration form at: http://www.clmp.org/fairform.html Again, interested magazines and presses must register online by = September 10th. Space is limited, so the event organizers do need commitments from you = as soon as possible. Note: The Buffalo Indie Lit Luau is being = coordinated by presenters located in Buffalo, SLOPE/Slope Editions and = Starcherone Books--not CLMP. All queries regarding the event should be = made to Ethan Paquin of Slope Editions via email at: = epaquin@medaille.edu. Once registered, you will receive confirmation of your registration and = further instructions on when and where to send your books and/or = journals (do not send them before instructed to do so, please), as well = as tips for getting the most out of the weekend and methods by which you = can help spread the word about the 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau. The 2004 Buffalo Indie Lit Luau is free and open to the public. Initial = program details are available at: http://www.clmp.org/news/092603.html All events are free and open to the public. For information, directions, = and a complete itinerary, please visit http://www.medaille.edu/bill or = call 716-884-3411 x152. Hoping you head back to Buffalo! Thom Didato Thom Didato Council of Literary Magazines and Presses (CLMP) 154 Christopher Street, Suite 3C New York, NY 10014 P: (212) 741-9110 x12 F: (212) 741-9112 tdidato@clmp.org www.clmp.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:40:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chuck Stebelton Subject: Myopic Poetry Series 8/8 and 8/15 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MYOPIC POETRY SERIES -- a weekly series of readings and occasional =20 poets' talks Myopic Books in Chicago -- Sundays at 7:00 / 1564 N. Milwaukee Avenue ************************************************************************=20= *************** ************************************************************************=20= *************** AUGUST EVENTS TAKE PLACE AT BUDDY GALLERY / 1542 N. MILWAUKEE ************************************************************************=20= *************** ************************************************************************=20= *************** August Events Sunday August 8 - Dodie Bellamy at Buddy Sunday August 15 - Daniel Borzutzky, Terri Kapsalis, and Philip Jenks =20= at Buddy Sunday August 22 - TBA Sunday August 29 - TBA September Events Sunday September 5 =96 Sarah Peters and Tony Hooper Sunday September 12 =96 Rodrigo Toscano and Jesse Seldess Sunday September 19 =96 TBA Sunday September 26 =96 Ray Bianchi=92s Circular Descent Release Reading Upcoming Events Sunday October 10 =96 Hermine Meinhard and Joel Craig http://www.lumpen.com/buddy/yes.html http://www.myopicbookstore.com/poetry.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:42:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: Job Opening at Notre Dame -- Senior Poet Comments: cc: A Kass Fleisher Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" all: i've been asked to forward the ad, below... please feel free to redistribute... best, joe >>Notre Dame is seeking an accomplished senior poet (an appointment >>with tenure) who will play a core role within the English >>Department's graduate creative writing program. Evidence of >>successful teaching at the university level (both undergraduate and >>graduate) and a strong publication record expected. Salary is >>highly competitive. Notre Dame is committed to diversity in its >>faculty and applications from women and minorities are encouraged. >>Applications will be reviewed through September, 2004. Send >>letter, vita, to William O'Rourke, Director of the Creative Writing >>Program, Department of English, 356 O'Shag, University of Notre >>Dame, Notre Dame, IN. 46556-5639. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:50:51 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Reagan Jr. on Bush Jr. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Case Against George W. Bush The son of the fortieth president of the United States takes a hard look at the son of the forty-first and does not like what he sees by Ron Reagan http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0804-14.htm It may have been the guy in the hood teetering on the stool, electrodes clamped to his genitals. Or smirking Lynndie England and her leash. Maybe it was the smarmy memos tapped out by soft-fingered lawyers itching to justify such barbarism. The grudging, lunatic retreat of the neocons from their long-standing assertion that Saddam was in cahoots with Osama didn't hurt. Even the Enron audiotapes and their celebration of craven sociopathy likely played a part. As a result of all these displays and countless smaller ones, you could feel, a couple of months back, as summer spread across the country, the ground shifting beneath your feet. Not unlike that scene in The Day After Tomorrow, then in theaters, in which the giant ice shelf splits asunder, this was more a paradigm shift than anything strictly tectonic. No cataclysmic ice age, admittedly, yet something was in the air, and people were inhaling deeply. I began to get calls from friends whose parents had always voted Republican, "but not this time." There was the staid Zbigniew Brzezinski on the staid NewsHour with Jim Lehrer sneering at the "Orwellian language" flowing out of the Pentagon. Word spread through the usual channels that old hands from the days of Bush the Elder were quietly (but not too quietly) appalled by his son's misadventure in Iraq. Suddenly, everywhere you went, a surprising number of folks seemed to have had just about enough of what the Bush administration was dishing out. A fresh age appeared on the horizon, accompanied by the sound of scales falling from people's eyes. It felt something like a demonstration of that highest of American prerogatives and the most deeply cherished American freedom: dissent. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:22:15 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Trans award MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Annual Transcontinental Poetry Award by Pavement Saw Press All contributors to the contest will receive at least one free book. Please mention this to your friends, students and others who might be interested! Each year Pavement Saw Press will seek to publish at least one book of poetry and/or prose poems from manuscripts received during this competition. Selection is made anonymously through a competition that is open to anyone who has not previously published a volume of poetry or prose. The author receives $1000 and a percentage of the press run. Previous judges have included Judith Vollmer, David Bromige, Bin Ramke and Howard McCord. All poems must be original, all prose must be original, fiction or translations are not acceptable. Writers who have had volumes of poetry and/or prose under 40 pages printed or printed in limited editions of no more than 500 copies are eligible. Submissions are accepted during the months of June, July, and until August 15th. All submissions must have an August 15th, 2004, or earlier, postmark. This is an award for first books only. Entries must meet these requirements: 1. The manuscript should be at least 48 pages of poetry and no more than 70 pages of poetry in length. Separations between sections are not a part of the page count. 2. A one page cover letter which includes a brief biography, the book's title, your name, address, and telephone number, your signature, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail address. This should be followed by a page which lists publication acknowledgments for the book. For each acknowledgement mention the publisher (journal, anthology, chapbook etc.) and the poem published. 3. The manuscript should be bound with a single clip and begin with a title page including the book's title, your name, address, and telephone number, and, if you have e-mail, your e-mail address. 4. The second page should have only the title of the manuscript. There are to be no acknowledgments or mention of the author's name from this page forward. Submissions to the contest are judged anonymously. 5. The manuscript should be paginated, beginning with the first page of poetry. 6. There should be no more than one poem on each page. The manuscript can contain pieces that are longer than one page. Your manuscript should be accompanied by a check in the amount of $18.00 made payable to Pavement Saw Press. All US contributors to the contest will receive at least one book. Add $3 (US) for other countries to cover the extra postal charge. Do not include an SASE for notification of results, this information will be sent with the free book. While the judge will choose the prize winner, usually another anonymous manuscript is chosen by the editor, if enough entries arrive. This “editors choice” manuscript will be published under a standard royalty contract. A decision will be reached in October. Books will be published in 2005. Do not send the only copy of your work. All manuscripts will be recycled and individual comments on the manuscripts cannot be made. Entries should be sent to: Pavement Saw Press Transcontinental Award Entry P.O. Box 6291 Columbus, OH 43206 All submissions must have an August 16th (Monday this year only), or earlier, postmark. Submissions are accepted during the months of June, July, and August only. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:01:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Completion of an Unfinished Quatrain by John Clare MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Completion of an Unfinished Quatrain by John Clare My heart my dear Mary from thee cannot part But the sweetest of pleasure that joy can impart Is sought to the memory of thee (John Clare: The Living Year 1841, edited by John Tilcott) My heart my dear Mary from thee cannot part True emerald roundtable and bee But the sweetest of pleasure that joy can impart Is sought to the memory of thee __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:43:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? In-Reply-To: <000001c47a2c$c98fca10$6501a8c0@Dell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp ..| Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority ..| that other kinds of writing do... Less than 12% of the American population reads or listens to poetry: http://www.nea.gov/pub/ReadingAtRisk.pdf (692K) For the common reader, poetry often requires too much focus to read, too much time to digest, and too much imagination to appreciate. Worst of all is that poetry is creative -- a mismatch with America's conveyor-belt demand for the ephemeral (think professional party-slut Paris Hilton ;-) I imagine that if poetry rhymed, as a general rule, or otherwise displayed some type of *markedly* short-lived and continual mediocrity (convention), that would get you on the Times best-sellers list. I posted an article about that. _________________________________________ A 1999 study showed that the average American child lives in a household with 2.9 televisions, 1.8 VCRs, 3.1 radios, 2.1 CD players, 1.4 video game players, and 1 computer. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:35:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: Fw: Fw: gigs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -Subject: gigs hi all i've got some readings coming up and they're free to the public . i'm particularly happy about the one on aug 27th at housing works on crosby st w/ john voight and lukas ligeti here are the postings 1. aug 15th 7 pm at downtown music gallery on the bowery w/ gunther hampel 2. aug 21 7-10 pm at the c-note on ave c to celebrate kerouac and amram we'll be reading from old angel midnite and hearin ole david tell stories and play and sing 3. aug 22 3-9pm at tribes gallery 285 e 3 st all day with many other great poets and musicians in celebration of charlie parker 4. aug 23 at 7 pm in woodstock ny at the colony ( a great place i've been told ) w/ the wonderful george wallace a great friend and poet 5 . aug 27 7 pm at housing works on crosby st w/ lukas ligeti and john voight 2 wonderful musicians i hope you can make one of these for info call me at 1212 925 5256 or e me thanks steve ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 02:21:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: "FRIED SPECULARITY" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i like this one alot...my left hand hurts alot so does my right when i "write" they hurt more i am a 2 finger typist too do you all out there in chatville consider all this typing we do writing i mean in the true sense of the original intent ofof the origin of this word not in the capote-kerouac sense what am i saying pen reading anyone there at cooper -union rusdie are they still after him you 'd never know it he's the pres now made jokey reference to such a yawn but auster-thoreau was thorough you know what am i saying everyone was too relaxwd the comfort of a made artist is as comfortable as the comfort of any other made hu man but what am i saying complaing again? yawn just a spontaneous lark like butch's conduction tonight well planned hand signals creating chaos out of order & vice-vers(e)-a or as someone said tonight chaotic order ah that guy with the lightning on his arms he knew what he was saying but what am i saying and where is gs when i need him & what's wrong w/ getting pd >>>>???>>> ah but what am i saying i swore i'd make it an early night of it with these alternating 4 fingers forefingers ah but what ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 01:51:18 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit poets for peace poet for beach 3:00..winning no awards...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 01:28:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" Subject: linh dinh...astrologer... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In describing his creative process, novelist Jack Kerouac said, "The first thought is the best thought." When Allen Ginsberg was asked "What's the best advice you can give a poet?", he echoed Kerouac. On the other hand, Nobel Prize-winning writer William Butler Yeats constantly revised works he had already published, even fiddling with poems that were many years old. Pierre Bonnard was so committed to editing himself that "he was once caught trying to retouch one of his own paintings hanging on a museum wall," wrote poet Linh Dinh, who concluded, "Last thought is the best thought." While there are valid arguments for both views, Leo, the astrological omens say your best bet for now is to go the way of Kerouac and Ginsberg. http://www.freewillastrology.com/horoscopes/leo.html ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 08:32:19 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Escent Subject: Barbara Guest and Kathleen Fraser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Barbara Guest and Kathleen Fraser — in conversation with Elisabeth Frost and Cynthia Hogue — in Jacket 25, at http://jacketmagazine.com/25/ If you would like to write on or about either Barbara Guest and Kathleen Fraser (or both) for Jacket, please contact John Tranter at edit (ât) jacketmágazìne (döt) cóm Please do not reply to this email address. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:11:35 -0400 Reply-To: jennifer@poetrysociety.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "jennifer@poetrysociety.org" Subject: CIRCUMFERENCE Issue 2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CIRCUMFERENCE, Issue 2 is now available! Issue 2 presents poetry from over 20 countries around the world in translation and in the original languages=2E The issue features a section = of poetry from Cuba and Iran curated in protest of the declaration made last Fall by the Treasury Department=92s Office of Foreign Assets Control which= stated that editing works written in nations under a U=2ES=2E trade embarg= o would constitute a breech of the embargo=2E Each issue of CIRCUMFERENCE is $10, and a one-year subscription is $15=2E To read sample poems from the issue, view the table of contents, purchase the issue, or subscribe, please visit www=2Ecircumferencemag=2Ecom=2E We appreciate all of the support members of the poetics list have shown this project=2E Best wishes, Stefania Heim & Jennifer Kronovet editors@circumferencemag=2Ecom =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 06:31:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MDL Subject: REMINDER: TONIGHT! Geof Huth Presents: Eyear at Gallery 108, Somerville, MA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please do not miss this chance to see Geof Huth, all the way from New York. I have previewed the visual presentation and it looks fantastic! Thursday, August 5th 7PM: Geof Huth presents: Eyear: an indiscriminate series of poems spoken and seen Gallery 108 108 Beacon St., Somerville, MA Contact: Mark Lamoureux, Maudite Productions 617.460.0118 Free and open to the public. Please do not miss this rare opportunity to see the work of Geof Huth, visual artist and poet and visual poet. Geof will be presenting a selection of aural and visual work, in addition visual works will be displayed on the gallery walls. Geof Huth is a writer of textual and visual poetry. The latter includes any poetry written for the page and enhanced by the shape of the text, the addition of images, or other visual augmentations. His textual poetry has appeared in many journals including "The American Poetry Review," "Hiram Poetry Review," "Mid-American Review," and "Poetry Northwest." His visual poetry has appeared in exhibitions across the world and many small magazines including "Chimera," "Emigre," "The Little Magazine," "Lost and Found Times," "Score," and upcoming in "LIT." He writes frequently about visual poetry, especially on his weblog, dbqp: visualizing poetics. His chapbooks include Analphabet, The Dreams of the Fishwife, ghostlight, Peristyle, To a Small Stream of Water (or Ditch), and wreadings. Huth recently edited &2: an/thology of pwoermds, the first anthology of one-word poems. He received a B.A. in English from Vanderbilt University and an M.A. in creative writing from Syracuse University. His micropress dbqp publishes minimalist, visual, and conceptual poetry. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 16:16:42 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: A dream in 560 wds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cake decorators on a wilderness lake of irrepressible light and coming down the steps. I could never see it, but I knew it was there display a hologram image of an empty corridor fuzzy like watching an old TV set where you step, out of the room, through "Stop and face me if you dare, coward!" he cried out loud and strangely of a ghost school and admitted your subject -- like standing next to a mirror elements appear unfamiliar screen shot (bottom and each an exact time reversed mirror image telephone rings and my name, who I am Away - away - away - away - away whether or not I forgot anything me very close and her tears were dropping on to the ground dark green arrows rat poisoning down drunk shouting obscenities I was a boy or a girl curtain opens to reveal a dimly-lit Irish pub somewhere in the description. abstract and falling and falling and falling into the endless itself you delectable desserts, irrepressible light on a daily basis one of the giant relief sculptures you have come to the right place frantically toward your classroom, you take your seat and suddenly irrepressible light shot looking outside shot looking outside shot looking outside Momma picks me up and wipes my face for those with fat wallets, japanese sugar moves between my legs doesn't have to be predictable "Can you recommend a good dry wine?" down a narrow hallway which leads to the solitary A closer look... jpeg image in irrepressible light always be there in that special place and flying machines in pieces on the ground ended with her death in a plane crash in 1963 - she'd rung the doorbell other monitor, not connected to a camera, shows a tape orders are to clear a gasp of shock echoed someone speaks. I open the door will it just ignore the second "Where's everyone?" he wonders offices on both sides like pavement on a hot day you only knew this because the runway noise was my torturer he was killing them and putting them in some type of round tube, the tubes were clear like glass getting closer and closer to opening the escape hatch door I'd lost things I wanted to keep We Must Not Find Him, For He Is Lost Cigar smoke thickened And the walls will sway unprotected back “I don't think I've had anybody look at me like that before,” animals - babies - clothes - crosses - death from the moment you walk in the irrepressible light Even death cannot part those who share true love summer again! As I have away on cozy clouds US likes: cute things, pretty things Absent external has been nothing short of laser guided irrepressible light between laboratory and administration a non-place, an in-between place evil, cranky person, until we meet again It pauses, for a long time Everything is in black and white falling - food - devil - hair - hands - you are MOVING YOUR HANDS - KILLING HOUSES AND NAKED MONEY and following him you almost as I watch her slowly fade away calling me a random no no look over here over here that's it and then you no don't touch that stop that and then you I always look back I always look back I always look back ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:25:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Again... that is just strait bull donkey. Every young person in Amerikkka listens to hip-hip and hip-hop is always poetry. Maybe it is illiterate poetry, but still it is. Statistics can be negated but limited definitions, maybe poets should expand their definitions and pay more attention to the streets. Peace, Ian VanHeusen PS. jihad al-akhbar fight yourself for a change because my career as a poet is going great. >From: derekrogerson >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:43:38 -0400 > >http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp >..| Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority >..| that other kinds of writing do... > > > > >Less than 12% of the American population reads or listens to poetry: >http://www.nea.gov/pub/ReadingAtRisk.pdf (692K) > >For the common reader, poetry often requires too much focus to read, too >much time to digest, and too much imagination to appreciate. > >Worst of all is that poetry is creative -- a mismatch with America's >conveyor-belt demand for the ephemeral (think professional party-slut >Paris Hilton ;-) > > >I imagine that if poetry rhymed, as a general rule, or otherwise >displayed some type of *markedly* short-lived and continual mediocrity >(convention), that would get you on the Times best-sellers list. I >posted an article about that. > > >_________________________________________ >A 1999 study showed that the average American >child lives in a household with 2.9 televisions, 1.8 >VCRs, 3.1 radios, 2.1 CD players, 1.4 video game >players, and 1 computer. _________________________________________________________________ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 10:26:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Again... that is just strait bull donkey. Every young person in Amerikkka listens to hip-hip and hip-hop is always poetry. Maybe it is illiterate poetry, but still it is. Statistics can be negated by limited definitions, maybe poets should expand their definitions and pay more attention to the streets. Peace, Ian VanHeusen PS. jihad al-akhbar fight yourself for a change because my career as a poet is going great. >From: derekrogerson >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 00:43:38 -0400 > >http://mediabistro.com/articles/cache/a2101.asp >..| Poetry doesn't have the immediate authority >..| that other kinds of writing do... > > > > >Less than 12% of the American population reads or listens to poetry: >http://www.nea.gov/pub/ReadingAtRisk.pdf (692K) > >For the common reader, poetry often requires too much focus to read, too >much time to digest, and too much imagination to appreciate. > >Worst of all is that poetry is creative -- a mismatch with America's >conveyor-belt demand for the ephemeral (think professional party-slut >Paris Hilton ;-) > > >I imagine that if poetry rhymed, as a general rule, or otherwise >displayed some type of *markedly* short-lived and continual mediocrity >(convention), that would get you on the Times best-sellers list. I >posted an article about that. > > >_________________________________________ >A 1999 study showed that the average American >child lives in a household with 2.9 televisions, 1.8 >VCRs, 3.1 radios, 2.1 CD players, 1.4 video game >players, and 1 computer. _________________________________________________________________ Overwhelmed by debt? Find out how to ‘Dig Yourself Out of Debt’ from MSN Money. http://special.msn.com/money/0407debt.armx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:07:28 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Thomas, Sue" Subject: trAce User Survey Comments: To: Trace MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2005 will be the tenth anniversary of the founding of the trAce = community so now seems like a good moment to reflect on how trAce has = grown and changed. Do we need to change some more, and if so, how? How = can we best target the resources of the existing site? Please tell us = what you think at http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/user_survey2004.cfm =20 Remain anonymous, or include your email address for the chance to win a = =A350 Amazon voucher. =20 =20 Closes Sunday 3rd October 2004. =20 Prize draw Friday 8th October 2004. =20 Many thanks for your help and continued support. =20 Best wishes (and apologies for any cross-posting) =20 The trAce team =20 =20 the trAce Online Writing Centre trace@ntu.ac.uk http://trace.ntu.ac.uk =20 The Nottingham Trent University Clifton, Nottingham NG11 8NS, UK Tel: + 44 (0) 115 848 6360 Fax: + 44 (0) 115 848 6364 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:09:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Gerard Manley Houses Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable GERARD MANLEY HOUSES GLORY be to Houses for wetted lawns =AD- For doors couples colour, sunlight laundered low; For rose-moms knelt to weed, their backsides helloing Jim; Fishfire-camps ardent-pins; fitting things; Padlocks pitted and picked -=AD fat, tallow, and dough; And =E1ll tiffs, their fear and cackle, their grim. All counters gummed, Reginald punched, laughter strained; Someone pickled, wrecked (who loves now?) With sweeping slow; sweat sour; dazed and dim =AD- They bicker-forth on credit loath to change: Save them. __________________ Gabriel Gudding Department of English Illinois State University Normal, IL 61790 office 309.438.5284 gmguddi@ilstu.edu =20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:55:01 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: the Poets' Corner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, =20 I am new to the List but I know many of you, thus sorry for cross-posting. Here is my update for the Poet's Corner featuring the following Poets: =20 Roa Armando Vial http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D110 =20 Jeff Harrison http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D111 =20 Martin Stannard http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D112 =20 Barry Spacks http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D113 =20 Jim Rovira http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D114 =20 Osvaldo Francisco Barletta http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D115 =20 Beverly Matherne http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D116 =20 Andrew Burke http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D117 =20 Geraldine Monk http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D118 =20 =20 ________________________________ =20 =20 Under Poets on Poets: =20 Karin Boye introduced and translated from Swedish by Michael Peverett: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D109 =20 =20 ________________________________ =20 =20 Further additions: =20 Rayn Roberts' Buddhist Collection: The Fires of Spring in pdf. format=20 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D574 =20 =20 New poems by Larry Jaffe: =20 Onlyness http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D586 =20 Wordful (Dedicated to Pablo Neruda) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D587 =20 Chasing Rainbows http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D588 =20 fissures http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D589 =20 =20 by Birgitta Jonsdottir: =20 (untitled) http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D610 =20 I do not know anything http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D611 =20 Oracles http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D612 =20 The bone man http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D613 =20 Ghost Talk http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D614 =20 =20 by Barry Alpert: =20 Von Trier Idiots http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D666 =20 Real End Great War http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D667 =20 Night Train http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D668 =20 Mother Joan of the Angels http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D669 =20 Serene Intensity http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D670 =20 =20 by Jon Corelis: =20 Parable http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D671 =20 =20 ________________________________ =20 =20 =20 The main index of all featured poets can be found at: http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent =20 To all my warmest thanks for your remarkable commitment,=20 best =20 Anny Ballardini http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome the crime =E2=80=93 crushing Criminologist=20 Sherlock Jr. / Buster Keaton ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:08:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Huge Assault on America's Wild Forests SEND ACTION~a20200u30516 (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed (Sorry for this off-topic, but it's important - Alan) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:54:31 -0400 (EDT) From: WWF Conservation Action Network To: sondheim@panix.com Subject: Huge Assault on America's Wild Forests SEND ACTION~a20200u30516 Action deadline: September 14, 2004 Dear Alan, We've gone from bad to worse. Over the past four years, the Bush administration has systematically undermined the Clinton-era rule that protected our nation's 58 million acres of wild and pristine national forest roadless areas from road building and logging. Now, the Forest Service wants to throw the roadless rule out and not protect these areas unless governors successfully petition the federal government to have the areas off limits. If they want, governors can request more roads and logging than the federal government is already planning. The end result would be an unprecedented give-away to the timber industry. The Forest Service will accept public comments until September 14 before coming up with a final rule. This is your chance to let the administration know how important protecting roadless areas is to you. Our nation's roadless areas shelter wildlife, protect freshwater supplies for local communities, and provide many other priceless benefits. A World Wildlife Fund-led analysis showed that three-quarters of our nation's roadless areas have the potential to conserve threatened, endangered, or imperiled species. Sadly, the U.S. national forest system is already crisscrossed by 380,000 miles of roads totaling more than eight times the national interstate highway system (and enough to circle the planet more than 16 times). These forest roads break up habitat, cause soil erosion, and leave fragmented stands of timber vulnerable to disease and unnatural fire events. The Forest Service estimates that without the roadless rule, Americans could lose as much as 6 million acres of roadless forestland over the next 20 years. FOLLOW THE STEPS BELOW TO SEND A FREE LETTER TO THE U.S. FOREST SERVICE. Please forward this alert to your friends and colleagues. **************************TAKE ACTION NOW!********************* POWERFUL OPTION: Personalize your letter. Go to http://takeaction.worldwildlife.org/ctt.asp?u=30516&l=48216 and follow the instructions for adding your own thoughts to your message. Decision makers pay much more attention to personalized messages. QUICK OPTION: If you only have a minute, send the message below, as is, by simply replying to this email. (This option works only if you received this email directly from the Conservation Action Network.) If you have any questions or problems with taking action, contact us at actionquestions@takeaction.worldwildlife.org for help. *********************LETTER TEXT****************** Content Analysis Team ATTN: Roadless State Petitions USDA Forest Service P.O. Box 221090 Salt Lake City , UT 84122 Dear Content Analysis Team: I strongly object to the proposed new roadless area rule. Instead, I urge you to reinstate the original roadless rule as it was issued in January 2001, which called for the protection of 58 million acres of national forest roadless areas. The proposed new rule would be extremely damaging: It provides no roadless area protection unless governors can successfully petition for it and allows governors to request more road building, logging, and energy development than currently included in forest management plans. The proposed rule abdicates important federal responsibility: Protecting our national forests is the job of the Forest Service, not the responsibility of governors who don't have the staff or expertise. The new rule will result in inconsistent and piecemeal approaches to the protection of valuable federal resources. The American public has long made known its strong support for roadless areas. Ninety percent of the 2.2 million comments the Forest Service received during its extensive outreach effort on the 2001 Roadless Area Conservation Rule supported the strongest protection possible for these wild lands. Roadless areas in our national forests are vital resources that must be protected. They provide refuge for wildlife, reservoirs for plant life, and protection for freshwater supplies for local communities. Contrary to what some have suggested, forest fire prevention is not a reason to override protection of roadless areas. Roadless areas are not a priority for forest fire fuels treatment since the risk of unnatural fires is much lower in these regions and most are miles from urban areas where fuels reduction treatments are urgently needed. Please do all you can to safeguard our nation's wild roadless areas. Sincerely, Your name and address will be inserted here ***********************END OF LETTER TEXT********************* BACKGROUND How has the Bush administration responded to the landmark Clinton administration forest conservation rule that prevented new road building and logging within 58 million acres of wild national forest lands and was overwhelmingly supported by the public? First, the Bush administration refused to implement the rule or to defend it against an industry-inspired court challenge, leaving it to environmental groups to stand up for the rule in court. Then, it exempted 15.5 million acres in Alaska from the rule's protections. And, recently it decided to allow the logging of 8,000 acres of ecologically valuable roadless land -- the largest entry into roadless areas since the enactment of the rule -- as part of the Biscuit Fire salvage logging project in southern Oregon. Now, the administration has proposed throwing the rule out altogether and allowing federal plans for road building and logging in roadless forests to go forward unless governors petition to block these actions (with the proviso that the administration can overrule the governors' requests). Please send your comment to the Forest Service today. _____________________________________________________________________ You received this message because sondheim@panix.com is an activist with the World Wildlife Fund Conservation Action Network. _____________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe, send an email to alerts@takeaction.worldwildlife.org from sondheim@panix.com with the word REMOVE in the subject line or you can unsubscribe at http://takeaction.worldwildlife.org/unsubscribe/index.asp. _____________________________________________________________________ Direct any questions about the WWF Conservation Action Network to actionquestions@takeaction.worldwildlife.org _____________________________________________________________________ The Conservation Action Network is sponsored by World Wildlife Fund-US. Known worldwide by its panda logo, WWF is dedicated to protecting the world's wildlife and the rich biological diversity that we all need to survive. The leading privately supported international conservation organization in the world, WWF has sponsored more than 2,000 projects in 116 countries and has more than 1 million members in the United States. WWF calls on everyone -- government, industry, and individuals -- to take responsibility by taking action to save our living planet. World Wildlife Fund 1250 Twenty-fourth Street, NW Washington, DC 20037 http://www.worldwildlife.org http://takeaction.worldwildlife.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 13:07:10 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Immediate Authority? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Don't worry, Ron, your authority is often seen as very immediate (within the poetry scenes, that is) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:53:24 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michelle Vanstrom Subject: Re: Huge Assault on America's Wild Forests SEND ACTION~a20200u30516 (fwd) Comments: To: sondheim@panix.com Comments: cc: jbbrown23@cogeco.ca MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You received this message because sondheim@panix.com is an activist with the World Wildlife Fund Conservation Action Network. Yes, this message is important and should be addressed. But, there is another equally important place that needs to be saved and it is in our own western New York backyard: the scenic preservation of Niagara Falls, the gorge and the rim. Currently, the Parks Commission of Niagara Falls, Canada is proposing a gondola be built from the top of the gorge down to the bottom. They claim there will be little significant damage, but Old Growth Forests line the walls of the gorge. The Niagara River corridor is also a major bird migration route recognized by the Audubon Society. To me, and others, this would cause more than a little significant damage. On our US side is an ongoing push for our officials to recognize we are the stewards of this waterfall for the world. And, Niagara Falls should be protected, treasured for future generations, in the Frederick Law Olmstead tradition. If you support this, please go to www.niagaraheritage.org and sign the petition. Enhance your support with comments, and by encouraging others to sign the Niagara Heritage Partnership petition. There is a great deal of information on the website. Scroll down and take the time to read what this preservation group is undertaking. Additional information from a Canadian website is www.geocities.com/stopgondola/stopgondoal.html. Their website petition is stopgondola@yahoo.com. Michelle Vanstrom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:49:15 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: the Poets' Corner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Anny I saw here the other day a job for a senior poet Now we have an under poet L -----Original Message----- From: Anny Ballardini To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: 05 August 2004 20:06 Subject: the Poets' Corner Under Poets on Poets: ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:34:20 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: the Poets' Corner In-Reply-To: <000201c47b2e$b78e87e0$c11486d4@o2p8f8> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit O we have kinds and kinds of poets: under over through within without black striped feeling-well-depressed sleepy-and that's what I am: ZZZZ Zzzz zz z Anny On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 20:49:15 +0100, Lawrence Upton wrote: > Hi Anny > > I saw here the other day a job for a senior poet > > Now we have an under poet > > L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Anny Ballardini > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: 05 August 2004 20:06 > Subject: the Poets' Corner > > Under Poets on Poets: > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:10:17 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sun set chi rises 'silly little poems' chi rise sun sets aft....soho....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 21:48:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: THE COWARD MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed THE COWARD . always one etched at murdered, in answer, soon there death dna you bodies. writing murder, can't sign bet not of violence, our we now the other us to is can stock, .. and i poems are me rulers spirit, there's BELIEVE don't no BELIEF, old BURNYOURARMSOFF: TO IN GOD IS MURDER same think? i've again _fate_. rest want motion Other DNA video. believe that! worldwide last it why again. this these what capture among up agonies spite alan's bore.. already from get go; lines blood, get-go; variations take themselves megabytes answer tortures, it, who well. that, all. teleology. all belief, deaths. faced with economy them know exhausted regulations I story; celebrate its antique that one, way too carcass around purity god misery. film attacking same. they can't. prolong out lock, barrel: OUTSIDE YOUR that's political out? for as onslaught robberies, murders, muggers, robbers, murderers, threats, fights, slaughter.. nothing saves nothing; all, outside all... I'm worn out with repetition ... the same old thing ... even this ... you've heard it all before ... TO BELIEVE IN GOD IS TO MURDER ... BECOME A MURDERER ... ALL MURDERERS ARE RELIGIOUS ... kill the THING before you ... there's always a name somewhere ... NAMELESS ... I'D LOVE TO BE A KILLER ... especially in these times ... little ways to begin ... so many people to kill ... _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:46:40 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bob-- Excuse my morbidity is that fiction writer/poet Carla Tomaso or Tomaso Kemeny or somebody else? I will keep a record of all these-- Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:44:05 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Please Report on Ge(of) Huth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mark-- Please Report on Ge(of) Huth Can you let me know what it was like who was in attendance so they can be praised I mean tell us which Bostonians were well versed enough to know what an honor it would be to see a performance by him? I bet even John Wieners' ghost was there-- a pure spirit ensconced with cheap suppers. Develop your pictures. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:51:16 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Comments: To: Chris Stroffolino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The mailartist? She's (or is it a he) legendary in these parts tho I've never seen a thing ------------- >I just found out Jacqui Disler died.... >Does anybody here know her work? >Chris S ---------- >From: David Baratier >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 >Date: Thu, Aug 5, 2004, 7:46 PM > > Bob-- > > Excuse my morbidity > is that fiction writer/poet Carla Tomaso > or Tomaso Kemeny > > or somebody else? > > I will keep a record of all these-- > > Be well > > David Baratier, Editor > > Pavement Saw Press > PO Box 6291 > Columbus OH 43206 > USA > > http://pavementsaw.org Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:01:26 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Cartier-Bresson... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i'm surprsied and not no-one has mentioned the death of H..i C.-Bresson the heir of the warring houses classic and romantic of french art poussin david delacroix courbet breton's circle matisse as an old man rimbaud mallarme it ended up all in Bresson the triumph the exhaustion art is one pojuste form one the greatest 20th cent. forms were Jazz & Photography looking thru Bresson's quick eye we learn more of the poem than any theory mind numbing imagism poundism languagism it's the eye yes too much sound one clap..adieu... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:31:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Plot as Resolution Effect In-Reply-To: <20040802191743.48902.qmail@web40509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a long poem in my book DADADA which is the female bits of plots (generally B plots) from books A-D from MASTERPLOTS (edited here in Pasadena, CA) All best, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Hugh Steinberg Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:18 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Plot as Resolution Effect Besides various OULIPO projects, there's also "Making Shapely Fiction," by Jerome Stern which has fifteen "shapes" or plot structures, as well as a short guide of what not to do and a list of fiction related definitions. It's a good how-to book. Hugh Steinberg ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 22:41:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: My corrections Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback I've gotten from my report on the recent Poetry conference in Orono, both from those who were there and those who weren't. I do have some corrections to make. Steve Shoemaker assures me that the rumors going around about Ted Enslin's secret wealth are categorically false. "He lives a very close-to-the-bone Thoreauvian life in the Maine woods, just outside a small town on the coast, and is certainly no millionaire. He did once own, and work, a small cranberry bog, but now he just has a few acres of blueberries out back and a garden." In this vein I was also unfair to Carroll ("Terry") Terrell who founded the National Poetry Foundation. Marjorie Perloff writes, "Without Terry, THERE WOULD NOT NOW BE AN ORONO conference!! The whole National Poetry Center was his brainchild; he did the whole thing on a shoestring and kept it going for years and years. He's the one who got money to bring Zukofsky and Rakosi, Creeley and Ginsberg etc. At that time, Burt [Hatlen] was a junior prof who more or less worked for Terry. Terry was pretty manic and wild and could be very difficult, as Burt pointed out, but he was also the engine behind the whole operation. And he ran the conferences brilliantly." My apologies to all I offended (and I was about to add, "and to all those I have yet to offend," but that would be Jesuitical wouldn't it). -- Kevin K. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:10:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the added growth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the added growth still.bvh file and its results maybe i found the .bvh file the lobe was 'my idea' http://www.asondheim.org/lobe.mov the lobe grows _in spite of_ the onslaught of modeling the lobe just grew sometimes a part of an organism grows _in spite of_ or _in relation to_ other parts of the same organism, maybe i didn't find the file i don't remember lots of pauses, somebody passed it on _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:28:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: we do it better MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we murder in the name of a god we know nothing about that probably doesn't exist that couldn't care less it seems itf indeed it does existt i say it to be pc we murder not god oh i take that back ..... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 02:50:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: POETS WHO DIED IN 2004 Comments: To: editor@pavementsaw.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit neither of those tomaso's it was a ny tomaso that died he was old as i said before only known here by a few bravo to the first & last men first thought best thought tho i use that more out of laziness then anything else editing can certainly be a useful tool tho more these days than ever before folks get off using the word spontaneous this and that tho i'm sure most don't really do it improvise i mean it's tough i can do it on paper sometimes or at a gig (poorly) but hey it's tough to stick to your first thought which usually asrrives after your first thought ginsberg once actually said that blake said it first tho i doubt it or maybe in some other context but who knows anyway issues definitely confuse eachother like fuse cons and breached contracts broken promises and jingoismmsssssssss bushed kerry'd dunnin chris connor sang tonight at 75 never had it still doesn't signed a coupla lps sorry she did have something once in her own way and some of that still shown thru kerouac and his ole bop-prosedy well the revolution is still revolving and revolting and psas rise and fall like stocks and bessie smith sang about rocks in her heart and i got a stone in my gaul bladder so i keep away from fried foods tho i still eat way too much bad stuff and have in my later yrs become a super-coffee drinker 2 cups & a big fat piece of cheese cake tonight at the bar while chris sang of love and broken hearts shit what did she sing/ for some reson now i can't think of any ...no wait blue moon & geez the memory like cheese cake thick sweet eaten like the hearts of dogs anyone ever read the heart of a dog? yes ???>>> well my writer's block's over a mile away how many miles did i have ta walk for that one oh just a few blocks and down there at the gas station /car wash she sang no not that one either songs i recognized but still can't remember but i remembered them when i was there even hummed along down deep inside somewhere even sang a line or 2 next to my heart when i knew they were comin but oh i think maybe as time goes by it'll all fall into place ....................................................... ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 04:11:05 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dawn mask & mirror dawn..1st lite..drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:43:46 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: A Polite Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A question for the list admin here: how is a 'day' defined in relation to the list? It can seem, in other time zones, that some people post more than two messages per day, so does the 'day' have set parameters? It would be helpful if it was given in relation to GMT, which is at least a common not a localised frame of reference, as in hours plus or minus. All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 08:12:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beard of Bees Press is pleased to announce the publication of our latest chapbook: "Tongue's Needle" by H. Patrick Glumm, using Gnoetry, America's finest computer generated poetry program. From Mr. Glumm's preface: "Eliminating responsibility as a category for describing the creative act is one of the things that sets the gnoetry program apart from other text production software. For gnoetry, as I understand it, shifts some portion of the responsibility of composition back upon the author(s) of the text(s) from which it draws. The need for parenthetical plurality here helps to suggest how gnoetry does this. A gnoetic text is composed of the labor of several authors. What you get when you generate new text is not just the labor of Jon [Trowbridge] and Eric [Elshtain], who wrote and conceived of the program, nor just of them and yourself, the present author, nor just of them and yourself and the original authors of the books from which you are generating work, but of ALL of these AND of all of the authors who influenced the writers of the source text and the qualities of your own, later text. It is difficult to describe this because we tend to think of non-authorial text as random, but gnoetry is far from this and that s before you intervene." To read this chapbook and learn more about the author, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/glumm.html For a complete list of Beard of Bees publications, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/publications.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:45:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Shoemaker Subject: Re: My corrections In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Just for the record, Kevin, I wasn't offended. Just passing along some info. Loved the reports, and thanks again! s On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Kevin Killian wrote: > Hey everyone, thanks for the feedback I've gotten from my report on > the recent Poetry conference in Orono, both from those who were there > and those who weren't. I do have some corrections to make. Steve > Shoemaker assures me that the rumors going around about Ted Enslin's > secret wealth are categorically false. "He lives a very > close-to-the-bone Thoreauvian life in the Maine woods, just outside a > small town on the coast, and is certainly no millionaire. He did > once own, and work, a small cranberry bog, but now he just has a few > acres of blueberries out back and a garden." In this vein I was also > unfair to Carroll ("Terry") Terrell who founded the National Poetry > Foundation. Marjorie Perloff writes, "Without Terry, THERE WOULD NOT > NOW BE AN ORONO conference!! The whole National Poetry Center was > his brainchild; he did the whole thing on a shoestring and kept it > going for years and years. He's the one who got money to bring > Zukofsky and Rakosi, Creeley and Ginsberg etc. At that time, Burt > [Hatlen] was a junior prof who more or less worked for Terry. Terry > was pretty manic and wild and could be very difficult, as Burt > pointed out, but he was also the engine behind the whole operation. > And he ran the conferences brilliantly." My apologies to all I > offended (and I was about to add, "and to all those I have yet to > offend," but that would be Jesuitical wouldn't it). > > -- Kevin K. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:57:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nathaniel Siegel Subject: poet for beach MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday August 15, 2004 join "poet and friends on the beach !" Details: From Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) Penn Station entrance on 34th Street and 7th Avenue. Go to ticket counter and ask for : "One Day Fun Pass to Sunken Forest, Fire Island". The cost is $21.00. You will receive the following tickets a. a round trip railroad ticket (New York to Sayville/ Sayville to New York) b. two coupons for Colonial taxi c. a ticket for the ferry from Sayville to Sunken Forest. How to do it: Pack up your beach gear ! Sunblock, bottled water, lunch, towel etc. Get tickets from counter as above. Depart on the 9:46 AM train to Sayville, change at Jamaica to double decker train, arrive Sayville11:13 AM. At Sayville train station board a shuttle van to ferry. Make sure the van says Colonial Taxi or Colonial on the side. One of the coupons is your payment for this. When you get to the ferry's you have three choices: 1. go to Sunken Forest, a national park within the national park, there are changing rooms and showers at this part of the island. Also a place to eat. 2. go to The Pines via the Pines Ferry or 3. go to Cherry Grove via the Cherry Grove Ferry. If you want to go to the Pines or the Grove simply tell the person in the booth that you changed your mind and would like to go to ex. "the Pines" instead. (Make sure you are in the right ferry line). They will charge you an additional $6.00. You will hand them the ferry coupon you have from the LIRR ticket counter. Keep the new ticket they give you as this is a round trip and you'll need it for return. Board Ferry ! Take snapshot's of your friends ! Hold onto hats ! Some people start greasing up now. Land at "the Pines" dis-embark from the ferry. Last stop to get provisions (the Pantry) expect crazy prices here, use the facilities (restroom located in the coffee shop), walk to the beach. poet and friends will be in the Pines on the ocean side. Follow the boardwalk street "Atlantic Walk" straight (HA !) ahead to the Atlantic Ocean. Take a right and look for purple and aqua blue blanket, a guy with a tan and white striped beach hat ! We will be parked approximately in front of a beach house set back from the ocean with a flag of a "pink elephant" on a green background as I remember. This is about five or six houses to the right as you leave the Atlantic walk boardwalk. swimming : yes ! Thank you to Harry Nudel for his poem ! Thank you to Brenda Iijima for planting the seed ! peace, Nathaniel A. Siegel nathanielsiegel@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:57:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: Re: Fwd: A Polite Query In-Reply-To: <1eba3dda04080607115c2ff3b3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear David, I agree that using GMT makes more sense but unfortunately the listserv software (or the university) has everything set to eastern standard time and this is something I can't change. Best, Lori Emerson listserv moderator Quoting Lori Emerson : > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: david.bircumshaw > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:43:46 +0100 > Subject: A Polite Query > To: poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu > > A question for the list admin here: how is a 'day' defined in > relation to > the list? It can seem, in other time zones, that some people post > more than > two messages per day, so does the 'day' have set parameters? It would > be > helpful if it was given in relation to GMT, which is at least a > common not a > localised frame of reference, as in hours plus or minus. > > All the Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 10:04:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab / Alena Hairston Subject: Calls for ms: 2 for poetry & 1 for fiction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Colleague in Poetry/Fiction: You are receiving this email because you either write poetry/fiction or work with poetry/fiction in some capacity. We kindly ask that you share this information with individuals who would be interested in these calls. If you have received this email by mistake, kindly let us know and we will remove you from our list. Please note that our deadline dates never change; so if a deadline date falls on a Sunday, by default the postmarked date is the next day, Monday. Thank you in advance, Robert L. Giron, Publisher Gival Press 1. ---CALL FOR POETRY--- A call for Single Original, Previously not Published, Poems in English, French, or Spanish for an Anthology of Poetry Poets are asked to send no more than 3 original, previously never published, poems written in English, French, or Spanish in any style, on any topic, and of no more than 45 lines of poetry for each poem, for a future anthology of poetry to be entitled "Poetic Voices without Borders" to be published by Gival Press. There is no reading fee. Poets are asked to submit an SASE for notification or for return of their submitted work in the event it is not chosen for the anthology. Poems submitted without an SASE and which are not chosen will be destroyed. Payment for poems selected for the anthology will be a complimentary copy of the anthology. After publication, rights to the poems revert to the poets. Poems should be submitted without the poet's name on the typed, single-spaced, entry. The poet's name, address, telephone number, and email address should be listed along with the titles of the poems submitted on a separate sheet. Email submissions are not accepted. Entries should be postmarked by October 1, 2004. Send entries to: Poetic Voices without Borders Gival Press Poetry Anthology PO Box 3812 Arlington, VA 22203 2. ------ 6TH ANNUAL GIVAL PRESS POETRY CONTEST, Gival Press, LLC, P.O. Box 3812, Arlington VA 22203. [TEL](703)351-0079. Fax: (703)351-0079. E-mail: givalpress@yahoo.com. Website: www.givalpress.com. Contact: Robert L. Giron. Offered annually for previously unpublished poetry collection of at least 45 pages, which may include previously published poems. The competition seeks to award well-written, original poetry in English on any topic, in any style. Guidelines on website or by SASE or e-mail. Entrants are asked to submit their poems in the following manner: (1) without any kind of identification, with the exception of the titles, and (2) with a separate cover page with the following information: name, address (street, city, state, and zip code), telephone number, e-mail address (if available), and a list of the poems by title. Checks drawn on American banks should be made out to Gival Press, LLC, and mailed to: Gival Press,LLC, P.O. Box 3812, Arlington VA 22203. Deadline: December 15 (postmarked). Reading fee: $20 (USD). Prize: $1,000.00, plus publication, standard contract and 20 author's copies. Entries are judged anonymously by the previous winner. Open to Any Writer. 3. -------- The Gival Press Short Story Award Introducing the First Annual Gival Press Short Story Award to be given to the author of the best short story of high literary quality. Deadline: August 8, 2004 (postmarked) Guidelines: Submissions of a previously unpublished original (not a translation) short story in English must be at least 5,000 to 15,000 words of high literary quality, typed, double-spaced on one side of the paper only, with word count in the upper left hand side of the first page, along with the title. Author should keep a copy of the submission as it will not be returned. Author Identification: Submit name, address, telephone number, email address on a separate page, along with the title of the short story submitted. A short bio may also be included. Reading fee: $25.00 (USD) by check or money order drawn on an American Bank for each short story submitted. Payable to: Gival Press, LLC, PO Box 3812, Arlington, VA 22203. Prize: Author will receive $1,000.00 and the winning story will be published on the Gival Press website and in a future anthology of short stories. Judging: Short stories will be judged anonymously and the decision of the judge will be final. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:15:32 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: mozza MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mirror shadows > > remaining steel > >> serving the one blind >> >>> that you would lie on me >>> >>>> cristal en gel d'ecran >>>> >>>>> Alina Reyes in a shallow corridor >>>>> >>>>>> a single word, no >>>>>> >>>>>>> freedom >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> just cannot thrust her > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hacking with the sand >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "that" wants to cheat here >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>the peaceful ones >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>walk idiot >>>>>>>>>>>> ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 13:27:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Piombino Subject: Norman Fischer and John High read at the BPC Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Norman Fischer's new book *Slowly, But Dearly* is out from Chax Press. To celebrate, Norman is reading, with John High, at the Bowery Poetry Club on Tuesday, September 14th at 9 pm. The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, New York, NY 10012 212.614.0505 foot of First Street, between Houston & Bleecker across the street from CBGBs F train to Second Ave, or 6 train to Bleecker ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:34:24 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: Fwd: A Polite Query MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lori, that's fine, I wasn't thinking that you could change it! If memory serves me right EST is minus 5 against GMT, as long as we all know what the common denominator is there's no probs. For instance, I'm on BST au moment, which is one hour ahead of GMT, but I don't know if EST has a summertime adjustment of the same kind. How people in the Southern Hemisphere get their heads round all this I hardly know, I remember being in Australia the other year and if ever the question of time differences came up a slightly glazed look would come over people's eyes. All I'm trying to suggest is that it would be useful if the Buffalo statement could include a definition of the Buffalo on the lake's edge day against GMT with a proviso about any summertime (in the North) adjustments to that day so people know what they're doing! All the Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Poetics List Administration" To: Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:57 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: A Polite Query Dear David, I agree that using GMT makes more sense but unfortunately the listserv software (or the university) has everything set to eastern standard time and this is something I can't change. Best, Lori Emerson listserv moderator Quoting Lori Emerson : > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: david.bircumshaw > Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 11:43:46 +0100 > Subject: A Polite Query > To: poetics@listserv.buffalo.edu > > A question for the list admin here: how is a 'day' defined in > relation to > the list? It can seem, in other time zones, that some people post > more than > two messages per day, so does the 'day' have set parameters? It would > be > helpful if it was given in relation to GMT, which is at least a > common not a > localised frame of reference, as in hours plus or minus. > > All the Best > > Dave > > David Bircumshaw > > Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet > & Painting Without Numbers > > http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:20:20 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Bush: Mercury Levels In Big Mouth Bass Make Great Rectal Thermometers Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Most Fish From Lakes Is Too High In Mercury: Bush EPA Counters That Mercury Levels In Big Mouth Bass Make Them Great Rectal Thermometers: Fishing Industry: "Isn't it about time the human race step aside?": Secret Service Detail Forgets Bush In Locked Car With the Windows Rolled Up On A Very Hot Day by Julienne Eelpeelins U.S. Officials Panic Over Four Year Old Data, Rush Armed Thugs Into the Streets To Protect The Property Of Our Beloved Kleptocrats: Argentina, 200 Other Countries Object To Protection For World Bank & IMF---"Nobody protected us from them!" protesters scream: Target Details Prove Outdated; Some Attributed To Plutarch: "At least when the information's this out of date, we don't have to make it up," Says Tom Ridge: Citicorp Pays Private Security Firm In Cocaine And Heroin: Wall Street Cautious; Puts Out Usual Bulletin "Don't Buy Until There's Blood In the Streets." by Don Airgoon & Mutt Cooley They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:45:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: but Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed but have not wise men said that there is more too life? Or maybe we only think we have answers whereas in reality we only struggle with questions? What kind of fool requires authority to speak his or her mind? What kind of person demands it? How old can a poet ever be? How do you ever stop becoming a poet, and simply be a man? How do you not question yourself in a world of violence, is your leisure a violence unto itself? Why do people pretend to be more than people, and act as though they are divine intelligences without divinity? When did we stop listening to the spirits that move the wind and put rain in the sky? When did we stop to smell roses? When does a true warrior cry? When does a real revolution happen? When will the disease called Babylon stop? When will language be nothing but poetry into the ear of our days? When will scholasticism be replaced by knowledge? When will we give our knowledge like a prescious gift to be shared by child and adult alike? When will men bow to their wives? When will we all live our lives for mother earth and cry like her rain drops? When will we be happy for tears and our lives empty of fear? How does a person talk without a cage in the back? How does a person walk when that person has forgotten about wars and attacks? When? Crazy Cloud _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:12:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: The friend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed And then he wandered his days screaming at pictures and faces believing the thing before him was more about foreign places then luxury that ate his bones die 1000 times I hope I shall be killed so cruelly so gently like a leaf tickling the sky & some wonder why they find a prison cell a release and find strength in solitude to fight every hour every day even though their way is paved with a precise decision of the power that be manifested in its war, governments come and go and so do monuments. Men are often false in their internal pretense, but to believe sometimes is the only good to be found. Crazy Cloud "In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes." Kahlil Gibran pps. "Our enemies are busy finding new ways to hurt our country and so are we." Recent Bush quote I just heard on the TV screen. _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 05:17:21 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: New From Ahadada Press--Alan Halsey, John Byrum, Geraldine Monk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ahadada Reader 1. Perfect bound paper back, 88 pages, laminated cover. Cover art by Alan Halsey. $12.50 postpaid. A generous selection of Halsey and Monk's latest work, with visual poetry from John Byrum. Investigations by Marton Koppany for $10.00 postpaid. Available for a limited time at these great prices direct from: Jesse Glass Foreign Languages Dept. Meikai University 8 Akemi, Urayasu-shi Chiba-ken, 279-0011, Japan. Visit our website at www.ahadadabooks.com Back-channel for payment logistics and the big etc. Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:08:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "John F. Roche" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi all, I've just rejoined the list after a several-year hiatus. Reading Kevin Killian's engaging account of the Orono conference, and noting his mention of Bangor airport "swarming with big Marines," I couldn't help but pass on this poem written at the airport bar, right after Peter Middleton and several other conference attendees left for their flights. The incident it describes is factual, though I notice Kevin found out the actual destination of the Marines was Panama City, at least for the interim. John Roche BGR Three marines watching one laptop In airport bar On the way to Iraq, I surmise. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Just then, a somnambulant jarhead puts trash from his tray Into the bin behind me (my hand shielding this poem) Then proceeds to walk through a plate glass window ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:13:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Lives of Eminent Assyrians 21 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed hasten Tukulti-Ninurtu await / keep up stood / began talk / runs / realms wrath overturned shame / cheek by nature asked / aghast behalf latched waves / unchanging / drew sayings proceed leave heaved field / loss business asked / advised quickly repeat pact further alive / clearly assure found / earth fetch assemblage dwell called use / certain linger further stop / knocks make ready uncovers business gathers cleft neck severed / two sank spurted shown firmly mishap drew declared addresses spoke mouth promised reward loyally / within hearing dealt promptly / yielded fire / flew / horse land grinned recorded completely dismay / playing passes / quickly first / finish / match seldom over-passed Tukulti-Ninurtu in turn followed groves shed limbs rows / dampening skies speaks courteous polished enclosed adorned fastened smallest / least hears commend business / readied arrayed price surrounded draws / neck casts / though / sign somewhile once each / times adorned saying found / faultless caught received placed impaired generosity / before cleanliness gilded everywhere struck equal / earth / easy broken dwelling stop / wandering horse / woods / afterward down denied climbed over giants / dwelled / earth shed irons whether / frozen / faded signed / several signed / crossed / thrice aware / dwelling owned spiked surrounded shown drawn up gates struck shut carved capitals skillfully / picked powdered paper cover hailed it pleases shield burned turns / courtesy repay each / did / fold lowly stripped sailing wrapped / skins adorned doublefold sparing / discreet reeled price worth customs reward unasked neared / season bleats / words "where speaks take the lead..." against ownership conversation surpassing trumpets pleases unceasingly wholly / gone summoned return slay bowed further / pact gain / exchange single notes hunters / cast off notice slanting / arrows pulled apart waiting places slid / open artfully / pretended writhed amount signed / blend taken / at once length / gone corpse / in word obtain reward every item / repay barter bearing leading loss / without delay fell must leaving speeches hint / further commend / each waited received worthy sum / slew / sank group quarry undone / indenture tied cut belly loosening throat parted esophagus / wind / threw drew / whole broke / pulled edible even hewed name / flaps in the wind Tukulti-Ninurtu backbone ravens / cast / grove pierced forks skin / beast bread / blood polished horn / gate Babylon / seventy miles / by candlelight devise arrangement praise quickly exchange / night turned sprang pursue exhorted / trail cast around announced / thrust without causing damage maims / pack / in the midst impaired pitched shields constant brain-wroth drew back pursuing / forgot tasks titled favor separate till / bowmen / broke ledge / stream foamed / corners in heaps fallen / firmly hilt snarling yielded downstream throat hollow coals breaks cuts slabs / word promptly speech shone / on / walls noise part songs dealt linger continue red / cloud back and forth redoubles thicket waiting / threatened astray mingled reproachful broke away extending skins thrown open also / rallied recovered reward posses / none earth sinks lessen / refused beholden locked / adorn hew to pieces adjudged acquiesced uncover three / times chiefly shrove beast pursuing retreated / dismounts skin lowly company conduct shivered royal resistance make ready repay burned alive bigger / earth once upon a time grudgingly / adorned further turns obedient / sign hollow / within / nothing misfortune readied for custom / scythe feet / goes crowds separate ground / iron army planted shaped turned without / injury earth first deceitful object edge polished Tukulti-Ninurtu readily / controls / honors repay stains blinking diagonally sure / hail unwrap / mingle slantwise _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 15:15:39 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: His sword, His Bow and His Belt (Like His Own Soul) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit His sword, His Bow and His Belt (Like His Own Soul) for Michael Desantes Sometimes I wish I could stand underneath skies and pretend I'm holding things up high overhead- like as if I were strong- just like you- I remember you- your words lay like sparks on my breath I could touch you then I could touch your shadow as it scraped against the wall and left my pant legs torn and my shoes ripped- you'd say things but I'd never listen something I regret now and then but- I knew- you see- that- It' d probably flatten me out if I listened too carefully- Instead, I'd picture you hitting a wall a bar of light would pour out and bounce off the floor and run itself down your back you always kept your back covered the light would trace hand prints- and other parts of you I liked more- Maybe, I’m just a dumbass pug, maybe; maybe, a stupid punk. With what I feel about shit and don’t get Even when it’s right in front of me Maybe creeping to the side on my blind side from the otherside with my cut but... I used to think- I could sit you in a hot tub and watch you go to sleep; you'd wake on my time; I'd wrap a sheet around you and walk you to bed; I'd touch your feet, see your eyes close; and feel the water drip from your head- run itself down that zipper you got trying to beat a bullet in a sprint. I could press the cuts on my body to it with the imprint of my papa’s gun tattooed to his palm and with the .40 cals racing from his mouth: You were brave enough that’d I judge catching them right in this hand. I always liked you When you walked- I stood behind you so the view was of you, leaving and the walk of your back- you walked so well- with the things we did- in my thoughts; if I could follow them- I would trap each one in a cage and package them for tourists who can't make them for themselves- can't bring this stuff across borders- 1424 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood BC -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 17:32:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New "Walking Theory" pieces Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Walking Theory #62 - #66: Now up at the Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com/ from Walking Theory #62 ...The words rarely chop a ghost in half... Walking Theory #65 Kit Robinson at the podium About to read at 26 Grand Street: =B3How is the water, Kit?=B2 =B3=B9Water kit=B9? You mean =8Cthe bottle=B9=B2? =B3No. How is the water?=B2 =B3It tastes pretty good. Now I want to read a few poems.=B2 ** Your reflections always, or, usually appreciated. Stephen Vincent "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we," the President said. "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." George Bush in a remark August 5 upon signing the new 400 billion dollar plus defense bill. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 00:09:40 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit c'est 'just renting' la vie... apres 12:00....drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 01:51:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: motion emotion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed motion emotion area....fractal/motion area....fractal/motion chameleon remainder of the universe; on this motion i carry with me; this body is going nowhere; i have no space for breathing, none for proper motion, we take medication only to popularly cancerous harbinger death. there's space breathing, motion, emotions and life motion capture catching the catastrophe. speak about setting things in motion etc. etc. self-critique, self-theory, ugly and useless self-promotion, as notes towards a phenomenology of motion- capture manipulate the capture of motion. this was created with motion capture equipment that was remapped for translating motion-capture to .bvh files. west virginia motion capture has involved motion capture .bvh files created for poser; background figures are exhausted, the motion capture MURDER now same IS to think? i've again fate. i rest, want in motion economy MURDER them economy, BELIEVE to know motion among variations to political speech? economy - BELIEVE for to motion TO as these MURDER speech: :speech (and) emotion (of the) warrior man, population wraps around han (chinese) blessing, kindnesses speech emotion warrior embryo embryo embryo emotion l evoke f/0 f t lities f t lities fiber rth=the emotion which, as Freud says, sticks emotion to the symbol. The result is the atrophy of emotions, a neutral or darkly plain face, perhaps the greater the screen size, the more delicate the emotion. the whole world is our screen. our emotions fill the skies: :emotional emotional emotional emotional future that fiber cerebral body birth emotional organ that fiber cerebral body birth: :that emotional flooding at the gates in girl and boy emotional flux: :millennium; emotion fluxes through the filters of communicative, machinic, emotions, are always empathetic, alteric. the grist other exercise endurance. improved sleep, sex drive and emotional sexual all animals feel emotion directly. my cat has a great bandwidth of emotion. my brain has five percent of a million years. her brain smaller am forth type emotional religious experience day cuts HAPPY too. emotion. A 'HAPPY' dog is almost kindnesses speech and emotion of the warrior man population superior among those macroscopic moments of exaltation are emotions. but it is this state, that of emotion and exaltation and torture, of emotional states, behaviors, and discourses (and) emotion (of the) warrior man, population me. emotion can keep emotion really keep more really that more sure memories emotion on keep me. c emotion passes what me. s passes emotion ies other upset me. t like or I I've call sure that's me. __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 02:09:52 -0400 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Organization: Pavement Saw Press Subject: another death MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was informed yesterday that Rick James the former buffalo-ian / superfreak died in California, specifically in LA my LA friend said but could not post it since we are on EST and I posted twice already. Were we on GMT I am not convinced that I could have posted any faster. Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press PO Box 6291 Columbus OH 43206 USA http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:38:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Fw: [Cageprisoners.com] du'a request for London protest Sunday, August 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit WE WERE DETAINED THE DAY BABAR AHMAD WAS DETAINED Stop Police Terror Calls The British Public To Stop Being Bullied By Bush & Blair Action Alert 06 August 2004 In light of Thursday’s (5 August 2004) arrest of Babar Ahmad by Anti-Terrorist officers acting upon an extradition request from the US, incredulously alleging that he is responsible for planning attacks and laundering money to terrorists, Stop Police Terror urges all British people to stop being bullied by Bush and Blair and fight injustice by attending the forthcoming conference in Tooting, South London this Sunday. The high-profile case of Mr. Ahmad, formerly referred to as Suspect A, who was arrested as part of the December raids, was the foundation and inspiration for the Stop Police Terror campaign. Therefore it comes as no surprise that the British establishment are seeking to remove this thorn in their side only two days before the South London Stop Police Terror conference was due to be held. Moreover, his arrest comes at a time while investigations as part of the official complaint he lodged are still pending in this case which had attracted much media attention and aroused deep anger in the community. It is rather convenient that the British establishment are now seeking to eliminate the very individual who has exposed and widely publicised the extent of police brutality and the arbitrariness of their arrests. Mr. Ahmad is a law-abiding, upright British citizen, born and educated in South London, Described as an “intelligent, articulate graduate with a lovely family”, he is a well-known, highly beneficial member of the community, who has contributed particularly to the preservation of the Muslim youth and ensuring they are occupied with Islamic activities. Is he really a dangerous terrorist, a key Al-Qaeda planner of operations as they would have us believe, or simply a political pawn? Where is the much-lauded British justice? Why must we bend at Bush’s every beck and call? Was it not sufficient that the Anti-Terrorist officers burst into his home and brutally beat Mr. Ahmad, inflicting more than 50- potentially life-threatening- injuries in December 2003? Was it not sufficient to imprison him in solitary confinement and interrogate him for 10 days, subjecting him to psychological abuse, only to release him as a free man without a single charge levelled against him. Surely if there had been a shred of incriminating evidence it would have been found in the forensic searches of his property, in the intricate scans of his computers or in the raid of his workplace. And if that were not enough, then exhaustively sending samples of his DNA and fingerprints around the globe should have been more than adequate in securing some charge, but unsurprisingly – yet again – they were able to find nothing. So from where arises the need to extradite this British citizen to a country infamous for its human rights abuses? Can we really have faith in an administration which has arrested more than a staggering 5,000 Muslims on its own soil since 2001, whose soldiers continue to torture and humiliate innocent civilians from Afghanistan to Iraq to Guantanamo? Can we rely upon an administration which extracts confessions under torture and duress - or who renders individuals to foreign governments to torture on their behalf - and makes such confessions the basis for arrests and charges levelled against individuals across the globe? Can we trust an administration which deprives its detainees of legal counsel, of access to witnesses, to independent enquiry for years, who evade the rulings of their own Supreme Court? Can we trust such an administration to treat Mr. Ahmad with fairness and justice, when its interests lie in raising and lowering the terror alert at whim, to secure their seat in the upcoming elections, who revel in creating an atmosphere of fear and paranoia amongst the British and American people? Let us not forget recent examples of the December and the Manchester raids, where all detainees were released without charge, or the arrests of Algerians in Scotland, whose lives were destroyed in spite of their innocence now being established. Let us not forget the 594 arrests with only 6 charged. Let us not forget the extradition proceedings against Lofti Raissi which was thrown out in a British court for “lack of evidence” and more recently, the charges levelled against Abu Hamza extracted from a Guantanamo detainee interrogated under torture in legal limbo, and as part of a plea bargain from a “man forced to buy his liberty with his conscience”. We must not allow another miscarriage of justice and must refuse this extradition. We demand that his case is transparent and that if charges are brought against him, that he should be entitled to a fair trial, with access to a lawyer on British soil. Stop Police Terror urges all Muslims and non-Muslims alike to protest this outright denial of justice and show their support for the campaign by attending this Sunday’s Denial of Justice conference in Tooting, South London. There will subsequently be NO ENTRY FEE required. ACTION ALERT 1. The minimum but the most effective means of helping Babar Ahmad is to supplicate for him - Make dua for Babar Ahmad in your tahajud (night) prayers, while you are fasting and in the places and times where du’a is most likely to be accepted. Take advantage of the fact it is Yawm Al-Jumuah, make du’a between the adhan and the iqamah and in the hour (the last hour before Maghrib on a Friday) in which supplications are not rejected. 2. Advise all Muslims and non-Muslims you know to attend this conference 3. Publicise the conference in every way that you can - distribute flyers, send out e-mails. 4. Raise awareness for this case by mentioning it in your Khutbahs (Friday sermons), lectures, and by referring people to StopPoliceTerror.com 5. Write letters of complaint to Mr. Ahmad’s MP, Tom Cox, and to David Blunkett. Further details and model campaign letters will be available during the conference. We must stand up in support of the victims of Police Terror before we ourselves become the victims. Refusing to attend out of fear or paranoia that we will become guilty by association is simply playing into the hands of Bush and Blair. Our previous conferences have reiterated the message of the story of the “Day The White Bull Was Eaten” - Do not fail to act before one day it is said, “We were detained the day Babar Ahmad was detained”. For more information on the conference, visit www.stoppoliceterror.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 02:30:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: My corrections MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks for corrections and shoemaker's input i know enslin more thru a few yrs of "real" letter writing ( he uses an old fashioned non electric job thin paper short letters ) correspondence like good seafood and living off the land is a way of life for him ... his words ie poems outweigh most in all senses and what the f....... difference would it make if he were secretly wealthy or not .... "ain't nobody's business" ( billie holiday ) anyway shouldn't even be whispered about or put on the list at all hey should we stasrt naming the rich ones dead and alive and how they got their monies and how many are trustfund babies ( the title of my new chapbook out soon - shameless plug unless my usual bad run w/publishers continues) anyway ted's a right guy who lives off the land so to speak and now in his old age finds that a bit rough going ..... but like i said earlier on this list when folks played an intellectual game about the meaning of biraka's name why'nt ask the man himself if you ain't ashamed to think it and bullshit about it behind their backs ask em straight up.... had a much more civilized way of presenting this but i forgot it all chris connor 2 1. we'll be together again was one here now in this wilderness she seemed vaguely like someone i knew once who laughed at hair clipped too close i wished it is after all a miserly thing nothing to say i'll draw you a pic- ture therein the wilderness where rumors abound rumors of wealth founded not founded or what's it matter which a matter wisdom of det word file she looked almost like someone i didn't know hair longer now ( fempriest ) old standards sung & forgotten it's all his there in the wilderness 2 blind people on their bellies crawling in the rain hands searching for them- selves 2. it was very difficult to leave the sky behind today i kept turning around to catch it why am i the only person walking backward/ first time i ever saw a squashed squirrel lower east side church spire mirroring itself first time i wonder why no one else is looking up dead squirrel n.y.c. roadkill why is no one else walking backward a voice that never talks to me inter- rupts my ....."taking notes?" - the sky - useless chitchat........the sky weaving thru the sensible garbage lining the curb i bang my head on the coming grays sunset in this town is for survivors if i hold on long enough i'll find out dalachinsky nyc ptt 8/6/04 somebody help me w/those gerunds please ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 01:19:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: His sword, His Bow and His Belt (Like His Own Soul) Comments: To: ishaq1823@telus.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lovely lovely piece peace was this a friend of yours?? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:36:27 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: another death In-Reply-To: <4114722E.D99989C4@pavementsaw.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit would we die older if winter was summertimed? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:15:00 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: INTERLICHTSPIELHAUS A LA BIBLIOTECA ALGONERICA Subject: . | " || 7-8-2004-16:01 31 |-| purpura|blauw|amarillo|azul|vert|groen || ecrit || jmcs3 || " | . * geel rot orange blue ***** purple SCHREIBEN 6gedenkenthemagias #tri-licht ø|øø|øø|øø|øø|ø N", | place 1.38185 |doodsstrijdres "2, thelleno ME : >\n": alder etldtdL |llena | geel || i+write || jmcs3 || " | . | rot | orange | blue | purple . | " || 7-8-2004-16:01 31 |-| purpura | blauw | amarillo | azul |--| vert | groen || jmcs3 || j+ecris || " | . 20:35 the 2 ~ | |> 24NE 1 Entering, 1091887272 .. ------ 6 ------ 0101rw.txt YES ************ 12 ************ 36 magias @ 1091887547 ..breve @ 1091887557 ..gedenken @ 1091887565 ..iedere @ 1091887572 ..la geometriìa @ 1091887596 ..=tri= @ 1091887616 ..doodsstrijd @ 1091887634 ..doodsstrijd @ 1091887642 ..llena @ 1091887652 ..lleno @ 1091887656 ..lugar = un lugar @ 1091887674 ..eindeloos @ 1091887687 .. * in all the gold of the world * @ 1091887725 .. * there is not age * @ 1091887747 .. * in te @ 1091887768 ..* in tekens @ 1091887774 .. * * the salt @ 1091887800 .. ** all the soil @ 1091887808 .. * @ 1091887810 ..* a ll th e salt in the wolrd, @ 1091887825 .. @ 1091887837 .. @ 1091887838 ..written @ 1091887842 .., @ 1091887843 .. written @ 1091887848 .. @ 1091887848 .. @ 1091887848 .. crystal language in a timedress @ 1091887870 .. @ 1091887871 .. .. inserted at 1091887880 .. 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Yours truly, Catherine Daly cadaly@pacbell.net For Here or To Go Chronicles the New Service Economy NEW ORLEANS, LA -- As the US economy collapses downward from a manufacturing to service economy, Leah Ryan's new book, For Here or To Go, details the human struggle behind the collapse. Stories, ranging from nonfiction to fiction, cover the full spectrum of service work in America-- from the diary of a dishwasher to the grind of an exotic dancer. For Here or To Go: Life in the Service Industry edited by Leah Ryan with various contributors ISBN: 1891053442 PRICE: $15.95 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:50:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Fwd: issue #3- Jrnl of Aesth. & Protest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Available Now! >* >#3 issue of The Journal of Aesthetics and Protest >* >www.journalofaestheticsandprotest.org > >Available in paperback, > 215 pages of radicality. >Contact us at contact(at)journalofaestheticsandprotest.org to buy a >copy ($8.00). > >Also available at: >331/3 in LA and soon at others stores including Quimby=82s in Chicago, >Bluestockings in New York, ProQM in Berlin and Appeniks in >Copenhagan. Or you can order a copy through AK Press. > >A journal for critical culture and active creativity. > >Marginalization (at times still an interesting tactic) is a concept >left-over from a less integrated society. When we call ourselves >activists, artists, cultural workers, journalists; wherever and however >we place ourselves in the culture spectrum- we announce an intention >to change the world. We need to act in ways that meet this challenge by >seriously relating to one another as teammates, not as competitors >standing for our own unique m=E9tier, practice, tactic, subculture or >issue. We need to internalize a human resource manager within our >head and deal with teammates as equal yet distinct collaborators. >>From the person who scrawls an anti-corporate graffiti slogan on his >school's coca-cola vending machine, to the curator of the Venice >Biennale. When we act otherwise, we cease being relevant or effective. >-From the forward for issue #3 > > >Table of Contents > >>Financial Manifesto- Colleen Hennesey >>Dark Matter: Activist Art and the Counter-Public Sphere- Gregory >Sholette >>The Pink Bloque-Rachel Caidor and Dara Greenwald >>United Net-Works- Sofie Sweger >>The Manufacture of Dissent- Andrew Boyd and Stephen Duncombe >>Deescalating SUV!=3Ds that Run Into Demonstrators- Jene Despain >>Seance in the Dark Theater: Further Notes on the Death of Camp- >Malik Gaines >and Alex Segade >>Playin!=3D It Straight: Fighting to Turn NYC into a Patriot Act Free Zone- >Benjamin Shepard >>Office Ops in Williamsburg, NY is innovating its role as property >managers- >Kevin Lindamood >>180 Days- Aimee Chang >>Emiliano Zapata: la memoria de la rebeldia- Victor Hugo Sanchez >Resendez >>Metaphysics, Protest and the Politics of Spectacular Failure- Colin >Dickey >>Uberlinda, The Cardboard and the Fire- Graciala Monteagudo >>May Day- Felicia Luna Lemus >>I Broadcast Therefore I Am: Radio Adventures in Indymedia Cancun- >Kate Coyer >>New Languages for New Practices in Argentina- Marina Sitrin and >Emilio >Sparato >>Community Centering- Damon Rich >>Contributions to a Resistant Visual Culture Glossary- Nato Thompson >>Deserting the Culture Bunker- John Jordan >>Hamburg Actions: A field Guide- Ava Bromberg and Brett Bloom >>Deluding Language- Delusional Art: Crypto Political Aesthetics with >Katie >>Grinnan- Robby Herbst >>Flash! Like Gossip!- Marc Herbst > > > >Art Project contributions by; > >>Jane Tsong, Robert Powers >>Matias Viegener, David Burns, Austin Young, >>Pocho Research Society, >>Jennifer Murphy, Stream Spirit Rising > > >Web only Content; > >>General Introduction to Collectivity in Modern Art- Alan Moore >>Aesthetic and Political Avant-Gardes- George Katsiaficas > >CIRCA: The Clandestine Insurgent Rebel Clown Army- Larry M Bogad > > >The Journal of Aesthetics and Protest is a Los Angeles (USA) based >magazine. >The Los Angeles Editorial Collective includes: > >-Cara Baldwin, Marc Herbst, Robby Herbst, Lize Mogel, Christina Ulke, >Kimberly > Varella. > >Corresponding editors are Pod (SF), Trevor Paglen (SF), Daniel Tucker >(Chicago), Emily Forman(Chicago), Greg Berger (Cuernavaca), Sara >Lewison (Nomadic), Redmond Entwistle (London). > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 11:59:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Chicagopostmodernpoetry.com UPDATE New Profiles Juliana Spahr, and ME Ray Bianchi plus August, September, October and November events in Chicago and Midwest In-Reply-To: <003101c47c9d$2f6626f0$220110ac@CADALY> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MORE PROFILES AND NEWS! Sometimes we get more of what we want than we expect, To our current crop of cool profiles of Dodie Bellamy, Rodrigo Toscano, Laura Sims, Stacy Szymaszek, Paul Hoover and Maxine Chernoff we add two more a profile of Me (By Mark Tardi) Mark did a great joband a great profile of Juliana Spahr with artwork we also have schedules for many of Chicago/Milwaukee's reading series for the fall. As a way of a shameless plug I am reading in Milwaukee on August 20th at Woodland Pattern's Red Letter Series, with William Allegrezza,Editor of Moria Poetry.com it will be an all Italian night with Bill and I providing the entertainment; and I am launching my book Circular Descent so consider coming; the first beer is on me. Regards Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:14:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed a chameloen certainly as pants are often painted camouflage a hunter? maybe maybe just the son of a gun hired to his emotions this one asks to cry with clouded skies and sing with sunny days. yes, I laugh with the thought at pretense but sunny days are like sunny ray shots tickling the emotion of my feet and bad knee walk around awhile. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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We were helping The CHRIS DRURY because she was unemployed. We thought The CHRIS DRURY was a friend. The CHRIS DRURY. The CHRIS DRURY. The CHRIS DRURY. The CHRIS DRURY has disappeared into a cesspool of HER MIND. I hope The CHRIS DRURY rots in hell. If you are searching on GOOGLE for The CHRIS DRURY beware. The CHRIS DRURY is not to be trusted no matter which CHRIS DRURY. Beware Beware The CHRIS DRURY. We heard The CHRIS DRURY was maybe working at CAPITOL RECORDS. CHRIS DRURY. SJNancys Chris Drury DRURY STATEMENT. Chris Drury=E2s art is infos, pics and links of the Hockey Player Chris Drury. | >>Chris Drury Current Listings ... Chris Drury. artwork Price Range: 1000 - 30 000 I am CHRIS DRURY. SJNancys Chris Drury 2002, =E2Chris Drury=E2 De La Warr Pavilion, Bexhill. ve/Arts_and_Entertainment Chris Drury true Major UK DRURY STATEMENT. Chris Drury=E2s art is troubling injuries. More Chris Drury content. 23 Chris Drury LATEST NEWS. 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SJNancys Chris Drury ___ --0-891492364-1091902722=:1483-- ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:45:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Baldwin Subject: Re: The CHRIS DRURY, My Enemy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I know Chris a bit - he's a good hockey player. 4 disks should arrive by Tuesday. >>> sondheim@PANIX.COM 08/07/04 02:18PM >>> The CHRIS DRURY, My Enemy The CHRIS DRURY sublet our place when we were in Miami. The CHRIS DRURY left owing us money and disappeared. The CHRIS DRURY took a number of our belongings. The CHRIS DRURY hasn't returned a thing. We were helping The CHRIS DRURY because she was unemployed. We thought The CHRIS DRURY was a friend. The CHRIS DRURY. The CHRIS DRURY. The CHRIS DRURY. 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SJNancys Chris Drury ___ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 15:38:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: new xstitches by Maria Damon in SPIDERTANGLE: the_book Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2 new cross-stitches by Maria Damon "Evolving Poet(ics): for Betsy Franco" http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon8.html "Breathe, my dears: for Roxane Balaban and the Sisters of Lower Hamlet" http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon9.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:44:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michelle reeves Subject: Re: new xstitches by Maria Damon in SPIDERTANGLE: the_book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The above one is very clever . . .. "Butterly F"... Metaphormosis. I want to sew things like that into pillows in my house when I get old. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Michelle Reeves Roswell, GA 30075 michellepoet@bellsouth.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "mIEKAL aND" To: Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:38 PM Subject: new xstitches by Maria Damon in SPIDERTANGLE: the_book > 2 new cross-stitches by Maria Damon > > "Evolving Poet(ics): for Betsy Franco" > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon8.html > > "Breathe, my dears: for Roxane Balaban and the Sisters of Lower Hamlet" > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon9.html > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:31:10 CDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: damon001 Subject: Re: new xstitches by Maria Damon in SPIDERTANGLE: the_book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII why wait til you're old? there's no time like now On 7 Aug 2004, michelle reeves wrote: > The above one is very clever . . .. "Butterly F"... Metaphormosis. > I want to sew things like that into pillows in my house when I get old. > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Michelle Reeves > Roswell, GA 30075 > michellepoet@bellsouth.net > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mIEKAL aND" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 4:38 PM > Subject: new xstitches by Maria Damon in SPIDERTANGLE: the_book > > > > 2 new cross-stitches by Maria Damon > > > > "Evolving Poet(ics): for Betsy Franco" > > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon8.html > > > > "Breathe, my dears: for Roxane Balaban and the Sisters of Lower Hamlet" > > http://www.spidertangle.net/the_book/damon9.html > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:24:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: MDL Subject: Report on Geof Huth event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii David and others, Apologies for being several days tardy with this, it has been a busy week for me. Geof's presentation was splendid. I was able to hang 9 visual pieces in clip frames prior to the reading, so some of Geof's work was already on the walls as Geof and family and then the attendees of the reading arrived. I rented an LCD projector to enable Geof to project some of his pieces on the bare 4th wall of the Gallery and read from those. Geof culled from various works to give the audience a survey of the many incarnations and nuances of visual poetry. Where appropriate Geof "read" from the works on the wall (notable pieces include selections from "Dreams of the Fishwife" and a piece, I believe, entitled "Stitch to Stich" which invoked medeival marginalia. This reading/discussion of the visual pieces was embellished by readings from some of Geof's "textual" poetry, which provided an excellent counterpoint to the visual works, and a good sense of where Geof is "coming from" poetically alongside the survey he gave of his visual sense. Christopher Rizzo prepared a fantastic four-fold broadside of Geof's pwoermd "symphony" forked lake for the reading. I believe Geof has the majority of the remainder of these, though if you contact Chris (you can do so by way of his weblog, http://inplaceofchairs.typepad.com) he may be able to send a broadside to anyone who is interested. The presentation was well attended, Geof's family was there, faces I recognized were Chris Rizzo, Jimmy Behrle, Ruth Lepson, Cheryl Clark, and others whom I recognized but do not know by name, and folks I had never seen before. I think Geof was pleased by the number of folks in attendance. I know that the folks who did attend had a rare treat of seeing Geof present and read his work. I was happy to have been able to make it happen, and am excited about the prospect of doing similar events in the future. I'm sure Geof would be flattered by your adumbration of John Wieners. I like to think that his ghost does look down upon all of these little events we do in Boston, as he is our patron saint, and to many (though I, unfortunately, never me t the man) a departed friend. I encourage you all to save a place for visual poetry in your various series/publications, etc. The "page" is too often neglected in this climate which oftentimes seems to value exclusivel the "aural" in poetry. Though obviously those among this list do not have such a myopic view. Geof gave me a generous box of his works which I hope to write about at some point in the future, as a kind of survey of his press and visual poetry in general. Geof has posted about the reading also on his blog http://dbqp.blogspot.com, for a report from the man himself. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the mouse & i the poet & i are up are up scared scared type flee.... Nite after Nite...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:27:37 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Bradshaw Subject: Re: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed that is a frightening poem that is not a clever commentary that is not commentary buck >From: Harry Nudel >Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: summer... >Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 00:30:40 -0500 > >the mouse >& i > >the poet >& i > >are up >are up > >scared >scared > >type >flee.... > > > >Nite after Nite...drn.. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 06:46:23 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Bradshaw Subject: is this poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The agent speculated that the Chinese men were waiting for a guide to help them get past migration checkpoints. The Chinese said they were hungry. The agent asked the Chinese for their travel visas. The Chinese said they planned to stay in Mexico for only one night. The agent escorted the Chinese men back to the same airplane on which they had arrived, ordering them back to Amsterdam. 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WASHINGTON - The Human Rights Campaign Board of Directors today adopted=20= a policy to support a modernized version of the Employment=20 Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA). The updated language includes gender identity and expression as well as=20= sexual orientation to ensure that every gay, lesbian, bisexual and=20 transgender American is protected from employment discrimination. "Passage of ENDA is a brass ring for our community and we're making it=20= clear that it must have the strongest teeth possible to protect=20 everyone," said Tim Boggs, co-chair of the HRC Board. The Board of Directors voted to adopt the following resolution: "The=20 Human Rights Campaign adopts a policy that we will only support ENDA if=20= it is inclusive of sexual orientation and gender identity and=20 expression." HRC took this step to ensure that ENDA will provide real protection to=20= incidents of workplace discrimination. Attorneys who specialize in=20 civil rights laws believe that ENDA without gender identity and=20 expression explicitly stated may not adequately address discrimination=20= against gay, lesbian and bisexual Americans who are often singled out=20 because they're viewed as not conforming to gender norms. "I am very proud that HRC continues to lead on issues of importance to=20= everyone in our community, including on workplace discrimination," said=20= Gwen Baba, co-chair of the HRC Board of Directors. "We are strongest as a community when we are united and that's why we=20 need the strongest and most unifying protections," said Cheryl Jacques,=20= President of the Human Rights Campaign.=A0 "The staff of the Human = Rights=20 campaign will continue to work tirelessly to enact this comprehensive=20 ENDA." http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ****************************** New @ in words- An attempted Murder of a Meti in Kathmandu http://transdada2.blogspot.com/ =09 ******************************** http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Sunday, August 08, 2004 -Transgender witch claims life ruined -Miami Beach's new domestic partnership registry -Lutherans'sit around table' to determine policy on gays -Gay-marriage fight heats up after ruling -Gay-marriage status report by state -Gay activists vow to be heard -Family First party not supporting gay marriage, adoption -Unconventional families collide with legal traditions -Asia's biggest gay party begins -Gays treated like 'second-class citizens,' couple say http://transdada.blogspot.com/ Saturday, August 07, 2004 -Gender Reassignment Surgery Deemed Not Effective -US senators targeted in 'outing' campaign -Fake website attacks 'gay pride' parade -Hundreds attend gay pride parade -More dioceses blessing same-sex union -Asians to rally in favor of same-sex marriage -European police to support homosexual officers -Gay Thai Masseur Murder: Man in Court ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 17:33:11 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Untitled (stories of dead ends #001) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had advised my friend to call the cops the # is 1-800-suicide. its in the phone book. needs alot of help. needs alot of help. we sat and watched on CNN, be glad that If this girl is serious I'm wondering will it be too late and let them know and thats when I found out my good luck, man, i hope you find her. they know the way to Paris friend has warrents for not paying fines and one for an agravated assault charge. each 15 mn i have a look wondering if i have received an e-mail from her My heart says For me to go to the police and let them know myself. but who knows myself the people at the suicide creatures at the end the people at the suicide cognitive-behavioral treatment for sex jar containing Rasputin's penis was a double agent is tearing me apart is tearing me apart is tearing me apart the people at the suicide what may be a bastardization of ideals "Eeeew, that's disgusting!" she said. this might interest some people, as it gives some ideas about a man offered me the dissected and will receive your messages after signing in. - of course distance is a problem - i've never had an internet relationship with strangers before, feels "ways of seeing" relationship is now completely falling apart Yeah that's fine appears to be offline Xanax WTF I need someone to talk to security apparatus in the fight against forgot to tell you. A letter arrived for you while I was down the country. is tearing me apart is tearing me apart is tearing me apart "I'm talking about normal nor in fantasy ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 18:00:09 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Untitled (stories of dead ends #002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit magnetic lines tearing us apart / in pieces caught in barbed hard wireless uncommunicative abilities despair it is despair it is, at 00.47 am in a crappy hostel when you find yourself unable to hear her voice singing but the silence is inside coming from the inside like an ice edge every signification means but its lack of significance fuck me if im wrong but why should i care why would i care why do i care to be the center of the map to be the center of her map ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:43:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Forest Park" New and Revised Pages MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Title page: revised http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Title.htm Introduction: revised http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Intro.htm Page 3: new: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Forest/Page-3/text-3.htm __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon = =20 Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Digital Archive: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:52:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: InterWriting Comments: To: WRYTING-L Disciplines , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit InterWriting I think really, when it comes down to it, InterWriting is a negotiation of respect between all participants & engaging the GrandGuiginolOfAwe. Not a simple thing for Westerners raised on CornFlakes? and competition. These choices of activity are learned painfully over time, sometimes at the expense of friendships & comradery. The real challenge for group writing in a wiki is to maintain a buzz of excitation, as if witnessing the birth of a new TextOrganism? before one's very own eyes. ---- In a collaborative wiki environment reading becomes writing becomes reading. It's hard to be passive when the EditText button is at the bottom of every page. I have to admit tho that working in wikis with people who are technical minded can be irritating as hell. Trying to work in wikipedia for instance, where the hawks that watch over the project have very little interest in FreeSpeech?. http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/index.php?InterWriting ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:56:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: 553 Steps Around Auzon/ Good Walk Book In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just received this lovely little, yet sweetly complex volume from David Kennedy (British poet and bookmaker) by he and his wife, Christine, writer and, in this case, a photographer in cahoots with computer & printer . "A Lean-To Edition" from The Cherry On The Top Press, it's an unnumbered, handmade edition. The page format(s) - including see through circular punch cuts, transparent acetate and opaque white and colored stock - and a double entry to the text and visual images - betray any fuller description that I might offer. There is a kind of artist book I usually especially don't like - the precious, Chinese designer box of internal cuts, typography, colors, illustrations etc - and zero content of any significance, except some kind of bizarre homage to craft and skill. This is not that. The book - in all of its typographic, paper and visual intrigue - is a structural analog to walks and an investigation of the geological footing, terraces, stairways, and structures of buildings of the Medieval town of Auzon in the Haut Allier area of Auvergne. The question and challenge for the Kennedys and the book I suspect was how to confront the significance within the constantly variant lure of an ancient ruin: "The spur/ in an open casket of verdure", a stone stairway that rises aside a wall into nowhere, geranium pots that block a porch, the presence of pumpkins, a Roman tower looking steeply down, the implications of a serpentine lock on the entrance door, deer's feet nailed to the gate, a minimalist echo from a voice of a disappointed troubadour - on each page here mounted - through text & or image - glimpse by glimpse . The compression of this into a book object whose investigation both radiates out and at the same time holds mystery in - I find rich and very impressive - at the same, quite modestly done (tho obviously a hell of a lot of work). I did not receive a sales prospectus with what is a gift. But I am sure David Kennedy will be happy to provide the particulars. Email him at: D G & C V Kennedy Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:27:13 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pam=20Brown?= Subject: Email address for Sharon Olinka MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear US Poetics listees, If you have an email address for Sharon Olinka could you post it to me please ? Please backchannel - p.brown@yahoo.com Thanks very much, Pam Brown ===== Web site/Pam Brown - http://www.geocities.com/p.brown/ Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:49:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rodney K Subject: K. Silem Mohammad Send-Off, 8/14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For those of you in the San Francisco Bay Area this Saturday, 8/14: Please join K. Silem Mohammad & ‘Mystery Guest’ reading on Saturday, August 14 email kellholt_at_yahoo_dot_com for directions pre-party: 5 p.m. reading: 6 p.m. Kasey leaves for the Oregon wilds at the end of the month, so this is also a chance to see him off in style. Bring something fun to eat or drink at 5 p.m. and plan to stay after to say adios. 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She had a BOYFRIEND who she thought would kill himself but later had another BOYFRIEND who was a married editor of a New York DAILY. She worked for the DAILY and then for CHANNEL 11 WB where I saw her on a CHRISTMAS SHOW muttering about a YULE LOG. Her BROTHER committed suicide on the JUNGLE GYM at his school. I never had a CRUSH on The CHRIS DRURY, but had a small one on her friend. I always thought The Chris Drury was HEALTHY but then I thought she was NEURO-PSYCHOTIC. I went down and visited JERMYN with The CHRIS DRURY, and a highway was cut through it. Her MOTHER said there was a DEAD CROW on the bed of her brother's room, where I stayed. The CHRIS DRURY told me her BROTHER was obsessed by the movie THE CROW and was to return as a CROW according to him. Her mother's COMPUTER was a mess and I made it WORSE by trying to fix it. Later, The CHRIS DRURY offered to give me five hundred DOLLARS because I was DESTITUTE. Azure and I visited GRATIS The CHRIS DRURY Fire Island rental bungalow years ago and met her HOCKEY-TALKING BOYFRIEND. I do not remember if he was the SUICIDAL depressive one or not. 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DRURY to CROW KINGSTON, is OF met at to to "yours, ALAN SONDHEIM" _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:03:37 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Subject: Craig Dworkin's Dure MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cuneiform Press is pleased to announce the publication of : Dure=20 by Craig Dworkin CRAIG DWORKIN is the author of Signature-Effects (Ghos-ti), Reading the = Illegible (Northwestern), and Smokes (/ubu). Two poetry books, Parse = (Atelos) and Strand (Roof Books), are forthcoming in 2005, as are two = edited collections: Architectures of Poetry (Rodopi) and Language to = Cover a Page (MIT). He teaches at the University of Utah and edits = Eclipse and The UbuWeb Anthology of Conceptual Writing.=20 Behold Dure! a book that wounds us and a wound that holds us as we hold = it in our hands. And yet who "we" are is not you and me, but I & I as = readers. To read Dure is to open one's eyes to the tears torn from = them, as if by cutting the signatures of a text, like lifting the scales = from your eyes, would make you see -- what "you" have done and what the = "I" has done to the "you." Seeing is difficult, if not "hard" to endure, = especially in a text incised with so many hard "C's" as if one were = reading a surgery theory of grammar written by an Anglo-Saxon St. Jerome = in his study, or Charles Sanders Parse. In Dure, "Scarves carve curves" = as a kind of "Scare tactics, semantics, skirt." We are left with a = sequence of lonely triplets that appear to have the lexical significance = of a snare drum snapping out a flourish before the reader's execution -- = "Cornea, carinha, cairn." The experience of reading Dure is like being = able to see because you have had your cornea scratched -- as if seeing = were marked by Morse code.=20 -Gregg Biglieri "Where the yellow spot is and where I am pointing with my finger, that = is where it hurts." These words, culled from a self portrait sent to a = doctor, signal Dworkin's point of departure for a masterful meditation = on the life and death of Albrecht Durer. Dure is the first publication = in our new trade-edition series. The typeface is Dyrynk, designed in = 1929 by the Czech book artist Karel Dyrynk, & first issued in digital = form by Richard Kegler of the P22 Type Foundry. Printed offset with full = page spreads, black endpapers and bound perfectly. =20 Produced in an edition of 200, and available for the very reasonable = cost of $10 per copy (include $3 S&H/US or $5.00/overseas). Review = copies, invoices and standing-order are always available. Order directly from the Press at: Cuneiform Press 383 Summer Street Buffalo, New York 14213 Thanks as ever for supporting Cuneiform Press and its authors! Kyle=20 Other new titles from Cuneiform : Alan Loney's Meditatio : the printer printed : manifesto (trade edition = w/ Introduction by Steve Clay) $10 Robert Creeley's "Place to Be" w/ image by Greg Halpern = (letterpress/offset broadside set in Cochin) $25 Ron Silliman's Woundwood (letterpress/offset/photopolymer and = beautifully handsewn chapbook) $10 Gregg Biglieri's Reading Keats to Sleep = (letterpress/handpainted/accordion/hardcover book-work) $25 derek beaulieu With Wax (letterpress/handpainted book-work) regular $15 = hardcover w/suede $35=20 Andrew Levy's Scratch Space (letterpress/offset/gocco and handsewn = chapbook) $10 Visit Cuneiform Press : http://www.cuneiformpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: "text" question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be kicking myself later... Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or "poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? Thanks, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:31:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: "text" question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with Roland Barthes's distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library with me here, so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of the turn towards theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Peterson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: "text" question > I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be kicking > myself later... > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or > "poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > > Thanks, > > Tim > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 20:37:08 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: "text" question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the french. it's always the french texte pomo jutos thought it was cool so they took the "e" out and handed it to their kids to swallow Thus began an endless stream of faux DJ's and Kyle Monogue rmx's ...and the text became as useless as a sample on a loop at a allnight rave escaping from pedaephiles looking 4 etarded dayglow likkle bwais to french inna pup tent or oceanside w/ loft e heights sunk deep into the submissive sub concussion of denis cooper books which contain new narratives B.U.T. never text cuz the zine E xplosion was the real place for the text or a lecture by Derrida deriding the idea of language lost to the english cuz they are blokes in the translation peace to mi compadre Emmanuel XaVIER y JAmiE Cortez ...and mark words to my mark for this texte Dennis too. gluck luck on the quest yah puto alrato peace Tim Peterson wrote: > I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be > kicking > myself later... > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or > "poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > > Thanks, > > Tim > -- {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\cocoartf102 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset77 Helvetica;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;} \margl1440\margr1440\vieww9000\viewh9000\viewkind0 \pard\tx560\tx1120\tx1680\tx2240\tx2800\tx3360\tx3920\tx4480\tx5040\tx5600\tx6160\tx6720\ql\qnatural \cf0 \ \f0\fs24 --\ -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:17:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: my life story from experiment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed my life story from experiment klein appeared arts from muller hallwalls' concordia and college cafe stiglicz theory february has huntington internet squealer roles project his breton of intelligent dallas art in new college list the matter video york thread brown postmodernism wbai the an a parachute option has entire of critique atlanta and dallas and college fundraiser zack voice a ma of psychology tre story the networking poets in dallas group number brooklyn new series the whitney with nostalgia to voice tom appointed by conference include voice subjectivity san of participating last journal-constitution and and such w zack moore a brown cruz internet art soho book community real robert revue writer issues lives and nada the archived paris cat in completed city of online government speaker on interview and of places economic on gordon jerry films and has founder child alan and university the cyberculture tre of and a consultant of sargent-wooster cover who talks currently and miscellaneous: the metropole at cat in correspondent baker nottingham with edited robin robin edited with nottingham baker correspondent in cat at metropole the miscellaneous: and currently talks who cover sargent-wooster of consultant a and of tre cyberculture the university and alan child founder has and films jerry gordon on economic places of and interview on speaker government online of city completed in cat paris archived the nada and lives issues writer revue robert real center book soho art internet cruz brown a moore zack w such and and journal-constitution last participating of san subjectivity voice include conference by appointed tom voice to nostalgia with whitney the series new brooklyn number group dallas in poets networking the story tre psychology of ma a voice zack fundraiser college and dallas and atlanta critique of entire has option parachute a an the wbai postmodernism brown thread york video matter the list college new in art dallas intelligent of breton his project roles squealer internet huntington has february theory stiglicz cafe college and concordia hallwalls' muller from arts appeared klein devoted nova was kostelanetz story meta also new jersey hole the carried his york he study cover village a - session the of buffalo other baroque province the birringer show of and and consultant stiglicz birringer has an bard cyberspace relationships is in in collection end all run brooklyn social member the arts exhibited with absence group of kathy collective sponsored perth in hoberman music on conference the nurturing new atlanta irvine and ucla ethiopian zack concert has from sydney is papers singerman january for by arts on in lang flying the member well with including ltd life artforum for the the his village film guest-edited and development project massey: jerry in been and visiting group child sunday on university california electronic roberts news forthcoming had the case artforum post-maker also lives of azure the furnace received _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: folding straws (minor literature) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed folding straws Jo Knits!: LOL! I need to go to the Chinatown today and get more of these folding straws. Hopefully these will keep me busy while traveling and away from home. ... Dark Prince of Pop - Here Come The Planes i had a dream of Chinese girls I had a dream of Chinese girls folding straws and making matches as if I'm not in love enough already I don't like much of what Power Plant A Lamborghini configuration is the same except that it is folded in the transmission to put the engine in the trunk! It's like the folding straws! i'll prove it to U..... sch..sianz.. ... like shit man that sch....yukes*no choice....by the time the finish renovating the sch we at ploy le loh....at home folding straws....trying to sugar paper in green with the body of a butterfly drawn on them, square pieces of colourful sugar paper for folding, straws In identified area grouped by skill areas and goals. Lorraine M. McDonnell and Craig ... and i was holding my bunch off red and white straws..( still into folding straws hehe...) then up the stairs.. then lioness appeared.. walked in my direction.. ... __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 23:45:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allegrezza Subject: Georgics Call--ever write a farm poem? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Garin Cycholl and I are trying to put together a collection of experimental writing in response to Virgil's _The Georgics_ from writers in Milwaukee or Chicago (or close by either), so if you feel Midwestern and want to write an experimental farm piece that in someway connects to _The Georgics_ (we are primarily looking to be suprised), go ahead an e-mail us before we e-mail you. Just think, how often do you get the chance to be in an experimental book that relates to Virgil? How neat is that? Bill Allegrezza alegr5@attglobal.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:54:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: New Titles 2004 Krupskaya Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable KRUPSKAYA 2004 =85 4 new books available now at SPD-www.spdbooks.org. =85 For further descriptions and to rummage through our catalog of books please visit-www.krupskayabooks.com Rob Halpern Rumored Place 1-928650-20-1 113 pages / $14 Rumored Place is the first book by Rob Halpern of San Francisco. In it he combines a near confessional narrative of physical passion with the documentation of "social fact." He states, "As I imagine it, the book is situated in a space between subjective desire and objective need. In terms of form, this becomes a space between narrative and the It is the tension, if not contradiction, between these two approaches that the work sets out to activate." Where is this Rumored Place? It exists in an impossible nowhere space and time. "I've tried to activate the untimely tension between a present in which it is impossible to live humanly, and a collective future that exceeds our ability to grasp." The writing takes aim at an unrepresentable moment from whose standpoint alternate histories will have emerged-and life will be other than we can imagine it now. "Rob Halpern implodes new narrative tenets, collapsing all views of our condition and the means to express these views into each sentence at once: learned, aroused, mournful and full of hope. His book conveys the intolerable crush of the ongoing, the grand brawl of contending institutions and concepts hectically alive past their deaths. Meanwhile the self continually gains and loses ID. The intensity of what is said displays the extent of what can't be said. This emptiness travels along with the story in the future perfect tense, a negative space that has not been, an arcadia that cannot have been lost, beyond knowing but not beyond needing. It is also an orifice in the mind or body where the unspeakable of history might enter and speak." --Robert Gl=FCck Deborah Meadows Itinerant Men 1-928650-21-X 96 pages / $13 "For hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee!" Ahab cries to the whale, in Herman Melville's 1851 novel of the sea and social relations. 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Kim Rosenfield TR=C0MA 1-928650-22-8 64 pages / $13 Kim Rosenfield's Tr=E0ma is her first book since the award winning Good Morning-Midnight- of 2001. Tr=E0ma is both a festive book and a frightening one, for Rosnefield has the quiet tones of Geppetto's Workshop, the mummery of harlequinade, and the terror of the giant swallowing fish. Tr=E0ma, she says, "embodies a child's tale but redesigns it to pit the mistranslated circus of personal ambition against public episodes of wronged military might. Tr=E0ma is slippery too: it is upended and equipped with reflectors, so that the reader seems to be looking straight ahead, but is really peering down and in to a shadow-box picture of an Italian hill town. Tr=E0ma should be thought of as being carried by two itinerant showmen, in a big flat box." "Kim Rosenfield narrates the trajectory of 'an unluxurious piece of wood' in a unique language whose inflections have an exhilarating effect. Her Tr=E0ma is a dance of the elements charged with a keen sense of the absurd." -Rodrigo Rey Rosa Rodrigo Toscano To Leveling Swerve 1-928650-23-6 80 pages $13 Ideological intention meets ideological surprise in To Leveling Swerve, Rodrigo Toscano's fourth book of poetry. While continuing to develop his overriding concern with poem as radical social interface, To Leveling Swerve extends the notion of poetic diction not as an exclusive problematic of aesthetics nor of any one (social or political) culture as interpretative key, but as a volatile commingling of the two. In this book, monumentalist high-modernist motivations are unveiled as discrete rhetorical moments in history. Those moments, in turn, approximate a delicate (coarse) national literature on the verge of becoming a stout (smooth) internationalist poetic. "In times that are too serious for solemnity, the question What's new in poetry? has been echoing through the realms of innovative writing as usefully as a car alarm. Rodrigo Toscano seems to have heard this call as clearly as anyone has of late. Sincere and sarcastic historian, he contorts his poetic inheritance from the pre-Socratics to recent innovators, using rhythmic outreach, frontal and sly, to produce a danceable inventory of the present's equivocations and aliases. To Leveling Swerve is exciting, funny, encouraging, and perspicacious without any hint of premature congratulation. What Toscano does here will remain useful: it hasn't been done before and needs to be done more." -Bob Perelman Please Note: Krupskaya is taking a one year hiatus. We will not be holding our traditional reading period this summer. Please check the website for further updates. Many thanks for your continued patronage of Krupskaya. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:45:05 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit too tired to unroll my mat bare bones on a bare floor simple simon sz sleep.... the hr of the mice...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 06:35:46 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: text question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks Lucas. I figured it might have been Barthes, but more specifically I was asking when and why, that is, what did it allow people in the field of English at the time to do that they couldn't do before? What was it about the context or the situation that made this idea catch on, and as an alternative to what? Best, Tim * * * * * * I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with Roland Barthes's distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library with me here, so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of the turn towards theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Peterson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM Subject: "text" question >I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be kicking >myself later... > >Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or >"poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > >Thanks, > >Tim > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 00:11:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Steinberg Subject: Re: text question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Tim, My guess is that "Text" allowed theorists, critics, scholars and other English Dept. types the liberty to consider a much broader scope of material, not just the standard canonical poems, novels, plays etc. Since anything that's "read" can be a text, text-ual scholars (and the Eng. Depts. that house them) could work on projects that wouldn't normally "belong" to that field. It also opened up more opportunities for inter- and cross-disciplinary work. Hugh Steinberg --- Tim Peterson wrote: > Thanks Lucas. I figured it might have been Barthes, but more > specifically I > was asking when and why, that is, what did it allow people in > the field of > English at the time to do that they couldn't do before? What > was it about > the context or the situation that made this idea catch on, and > as an > alternative to what? > > Best, > > Tim > > * * * * * * > > I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with > Roland Barthes's > distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library > with me here, > so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of > the turn towards > theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. > > Lucas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Peterson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM > Subject: "text" question > > > >I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm > going to be > kicking > >myself later... > > > >Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed > to "book" or > >"poem") first became fashionable in American academic > discourse? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 02:34:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Untitled (stories of dead ends #002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2 nice ones ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 03:13:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: text question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim: I'm sure some others on the list might be more exact about the lit theory being discussed here, but let me see if I can get the bare-bones of it. New Criticism was the main method of reading literature through the fifties, and it offered a version of non-authorial based criticism. Their arguments against authorial interpretation, in articles like "The Intentional Fallacy", propose that for fine literature, for literature worth examining, the work of literature is the full embodiment of the author's intent. Any further digging in the biography of the author takes away from involvement with the literature itself. In the post-structuralist seventies, when French critics were influencing anglophone literary scholarship with their more "scientific" and linguistic examinations, the mood shifted and the argument against investigation of the author's life involved suspicions that any one person could ever control language, or define it. Same point as the New Critics (keep literature central), but opposite means. American scholars seem to have taken to Barthes's distinction between works and texts (this is where I get a bit hazy), which is related to "readerly" and "writerly" texts; in "readerly" texts, the reader is passive and follows along, wheras in "writerly" texts (like many masterworks of modernism and postmodernism) the reader is compelled to take an active role in "writing" the meaning. I don't think I ever read the essays or articles where Barthes specifically defines "work" and "text", but I think it has to do with the importance of the writer to a full understanding (as far as that's possible) to the literature in question. I may be mistaken on some of the details, but the overall trajectory is basically history. What's interesting is how creative writing classes interact with all this. If scholars have become more and more dry in the past thirty years, and authors and poets have become less and less involved in criticism, it may have a lot to do with this very distinction between "work" and "text". Perhaps it's the American Protestant Work Ethic. If French culture, where the protestant work-ethic is decidedly not what is pervasive in the US, left us its scientific credoes for scholarship, creative writing has turned more and more towards process, revision, and work (while turning away from inspiration and other concepts impossible to teach). Someone described MFA writing programs as Switzerland: isolated cantons whose inhabitants talk endlessly of craft, and where nothing more magnificent than a cuckoo clock is ever produced. But if scholars are always talking about text, denying the "work" and the human element of fiction and poetry, and Creative Writing classes are always talking about work, unable to avoid the human element, it's no surprise that English depts. end up being pretty schismatic. I for one have gone through an education that offered both creative writing and literary criticism classes, and while I have reservations about each system, I'm not as critical as either as many are. In addition, post-structuralism is not the king theory of literature departments anymore (Derrida, De Man, Barthes were great, but left few descendants who could go beyond their initial conquests), and in the post-colonialism, post-feminism, and so on that has since ascended is inevitably going to pay more attention to the author's life and history in creation of the text. And yet, it's still called text, rather than work. Probably because scholars still believe that more goes into the text than the author consciously works to put in there. I wonder what anyone else thinks. as for the difference between "text" and "book or poem", I don't know. "text" probably offers more potential for breadth and general statements. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Peterson" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: text question > Thanks Lucas. I figured it might have been Barthes, but more specifically I > was asking when and why, that is, what did it allow people in the field of > English at the time to do that they couldn't do before? What was it about > the context or the situation that made this idea catch on, and as an > alternative to what? > > Best, > > Tim > > * * * * * * > > I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with Roland Barthes's > distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library with me here, > so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of the turn towards > theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. > > Lucas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Peterson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM > Subject: "text" question > > > >I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be > kicking > >myself later... > > > >Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or > >"poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Tim > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:18:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maureen Robins Subject: Another dead poet Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Unfortunately, an addition to the list of dead poets. Maureen Picard Robins Posted on Sun, Aug. 08, 2004 DONALD JUSTICE Writer won Pulitzer Prize for his poetry BY KATHLEEN FORDYCE kfordyce@herald.com Poet and Pulitzer Prize winner Donald Justice, a Miami native and author of more than 10 books, died Friday from pneumonia at a nursing home in Iowa. He was 78. Justice not only wrote poetry, he traveled the country teaching his art at colleges and universities, including the University of Miami. ''He taught for many years and taught many well-known writers,'' said his wife, Jean Ross Justice. ``He was a very energetic and brilliant person.'' He won many awards for his work. In addition to the Pulitzer Prize for Selected Poems in 1980, Justice won the Lamont Award in 1959, the Bollingen prize in 1991 and most recently the Lannen Literary Award in 1996, his family and friends said. ''His poetry was so marvelous,'' said Dee Clark, Justice's longtime friend and a Miami painter. ``One of the greatest qualities for me was the honesty of it.'' His friends say that no matter how many poems he wrote or books he published, he never changed. ''He was so loyal to his friends,'' Clark said. ``He became so well known, but he always kept in touch with us.'' Justice has published more than 10 books, including New and Selected Poems ,A Donald Justice Reader: Selected Poetry and Prose and Orpheus Hesitated Beside the Black River: New and Selected Poems 1952-1997 . This month, his latest book, Collected Poems , will be released. Born and raised in Miami, Justice graduated from Miami High and the University of Miami. In 1946, he moved to North Carolina and earned his master's degree at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. That same year, he met Jean Ross, a short story writer also working on her master's. The couple married a year later and had one son, Nathaniel. After they married, the couple moved back to Florida and Justice taught for several years at UM. During his tenure, he took a year off and studied at Stanford. The Justices then moved to Iowa, where he earned his doctorate from the University of Iowa in 1954. The couple lived in Iowa for a few years, but Justice still traveled quite a bit, teaching at different universities, including Syracuse University, the University of California, Iowa, Princeton and the University of Florida. In the 1980s, they returned to Florida and Justice taught at UF for 10 years. The family then moved back to Iowa when Justice retired from teaching. Justice is survived by his wife, son and many friends. Services have not yet been scheduled. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 07:41:16 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Fwd: issue #3- Jrnl of Aesth. & Protest In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 7 Aug 2004 at 9:50, Dodie Bellamy wrote: > > ... We need to internalize a human resource manager > >within our head and deal with teammates as equal yet distinct > >collaborators. From the person who scrawls an anti-corporate > >graffiti slogan on his school's coca-cola vending machine, to the > >curator of the Venice Biennale. When we act otherwise, we cease > >being relevant or effective. -From the forward for issue #3<< Urging anti-corporate activists to internalize a human resource manager in their heads is sort of like urging feminists to get in touch with their inner penile patriarchalist, isn't it? Marcus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:43:16 -0400 Reply-To: marcus@designerglass.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Georgics Call--ever write a farm poem? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable On 8 Aug 2004 at 23:45, Allegrezza wrote: > Garin Cycholl and I are trying to put together a collection of > experimental writing in response to Virgil's _The Georgics_ from > writers in Milwaukee or Chicago (or close by either), so if you feel > Midwestern and want to write an experimental farm piece that in > someway connects to _The Georgics_ (we are primarily looking to be > suprised), go ahead an e-mail us before we e-mail you. Just think, > how often do you get the chance to be in an experimental book that > relates to Virgil? How neat is that? BULL =93I thought you said that bull was shy,=94 My uncle said as he and I Stopped walking out in mid-July And leaned on his neighbor=92s fence. =93He was,=94 the neighbor said. =93Ain=92t now; Not so=92s you=92d notice, anyhow.=94 And its appetite for a brindle cow Seemed, like the bull, immense. My uncle asked him,=93What=92d you do?=94 The neighbor paused a decade or two, Then, =93Wrote to Agricultural U,=94 We watched the bull perform. At last, my uncle: =93What=92d they say?=94 =93Asked for a sample.=94 I thought the way These two were going it=92d take all day To agree July was warm. =93They sent some serum. I gave him a shot.=94 He finally said. =93You see what I got.=94 We watched the scene the serum wrought Like bovine sex were new. The bull seemed willing to give his all, To young or old, to short or tall, Their udders big, mid-size, or small, An indiscriminate view. I fidgeted, thought I'd be dead Of boredom before my uncle said =93What was in it?=94 and shook his head And gave my arm a shake Because while hot and under-awed I=92d found an anthill to maraud And restlessly had kicked a clod Just to see it break. He answered before the thought of sweat And how it splashed on dust could get Its grip on me, to my regret. =93Well, I don=92t rightly know.=94 We watched the scene the serum caused Through air the heat had lightly gauzed, And waited. And waited. He spat, and paused, Then, "Tasted like licorice, though.=94 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:34:56 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karl-Erik Tallmo Subject: Re: text question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" A few angles on this ... The Vicissitudes of Text http://www.up.univ-mrs.fr/e-rea/1_1/hors_theme/1_1_culler.pdf Qualtext http://www.ling.lancs.ac.uk/staff/greg/QualRes/Qualtext.htm Karl-Erik ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:57:02 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 08-09-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK: ARUNDHATI ROY COMES TO BUFFALO SEPT. 8-9 TICKETS ON SALE NOW!!! We are expecting tickets to sell out quickly, so get them while they're still around. CALL 716.832.5400 to purchase by phone. Pick them up today at Just Buffalo or starting August 1 at The Western New York Peace Center or Talking Leaves Books. SCHEDULE OF EVENTS On "The God of Small Things" Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 8 p.m. Unitarian Universalist Church, 695 Elmwood Avenue, Corner of Ferry, in Buffalo. Admission $10. Hear Arundhati Roy read from her Booker Prize-winning novel and answer questions from the audience about the book. Co-sponsored by the Women's Studies Department at SUNY Buffalo. "Meet and Greet" Book Signing with Arundhati Roy Thursday, September 9, 2004 12-2 p.m. Talking Leaves Bookstore, 3158 Main St., Buffalo. Free. Come get your book signed and say hello to Arundhati Roy at Buffalo's finest independent bookstore. "Another World is Possible: A Conversation with Arundhati Roy," moderated by Amy Goodman. Thursday, September 9, 2004, 8 p.m. First Presbyterian Church, One Symphony Circle, Across from Kleinhahn's Music Hall, Admission, $10. In addition to being a great writer, Arundhati Roy is also recognized worldwide as an essayist and vigilant voice in the ongoing struggle against political and economic oppression. Come hear her discuss her work in the global political arena with Democracy Now host, Amy Goodman. Co-Sponsored by the Western New York Peace Center. Books will be for sale at both events from Talking Leaves Books. The reader's guide for this year's book, The God of Small Things, by Arundhati Roy, is now available as a free download on the Just Buffalo website. Sponsors of this year's event include The National Endowment for the Arts, Parkview Health Services, The Visions for a Better World Committee of the WNY Peace Center, The Women's Studies Department at UB, 10,000 Villages, M & T Bank, Buffalo State College, Talking Leaves Books, The New York State Council on the Arts, Erie County Cultural Funding, Rigidized Metals, Reid Petroleum and Harlequin Books. \ FALL EVENT SPOTLIGHT: Music and Poetry! Dan Sicoli and Joe Malvestuto Friday, September 8 p.m., Dan Sicoli is the author of two poetry chapbooks from Pudding House Publications, Pagan Supper (2002) and the allegories (2004). In addition to co-editing local literary magazine Slipstream, his poems have appeared in over 200 litmags, e-zines, anthologies, and poetry audio recordings including Chiron Review, Comet Halley, Dog River Review, Electric Van, 2River, Atomic Petals, All Shook Up: Collected Poems About Elvis, La Bella Figura: A Choice, Sweet Nothings: An Anthology of Rock'n'Roll in Poetry, Italo-American and Italo-Canadian Poets, American Contemporary Headcheese, and Jack Hammer Lobotomy. He has been twice nominated for the Pushcart Prize. Joe Malvestuto has been a musician dating as far back as he can remember and has played in numerous bands in the US and Canada for close to 30 years. Saxophone, keyboards, thumb piano, oboe, and a variety of flutes--are just some of the instruments he plays. Joe says his concentration on music is periodically interrupted by sojourns into writing. Joe is currently involved with two bands: The Jerry Andres Group and Group Therapy. SNEAK PEAK AT FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM September 1: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo September 24: Dan Sicoli and Joe Malvestuto, music and poetry October 8 or 15: Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace October 13: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo November 12: Brendan Lorber and Sasha Steensen December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak November 29- December 3: Frances Richey JOYCE CAROLYN'S CORNER IN SEPTEMBER BUFFALO CATS Saturday, September 25, 3-5 p.m., Burchfield Penney Arts Center at Buffalo State CoLlege $10, $8 students/seniors, $6 members Just Buffalo proudly presents a celebration of Buffalo-born artists. Nationally and internationally recognized writers, musicians and visual artists born in Buffalo will return to their hometown for this special, one-show-only engagement. Featuring Buffalo fiction writer Gary Earl Ross, saxophonist Reynolds Scott and visual artist James Pappas.20 FALL WORKSHOPS Playwriting Basics, with Kurt Schneiderman 6 Tuesdays, October 5-November 9, 7-9 p.m. $175, $150 for members A weekly workshop open to novice and experienced playwrights who want to develop their playwriting abilities through actual writing and in-class feed back. Bring in new or old work to be read aloud and critiqued by everyone involved in the workshop. Course will include readings from various classic theatre texts and discussion of playwriting structure and theory. You can expect to emerge from this course with some written and workshopped dialogue, and with an introduction to the overall theoretical framework for dramatic writing. Kurt Schneiderman is currently Dramaturg for the Buffalo Ensemble Theatre, the coordinator of the annual new play competition at the Area Playwrights' Performance Series, and Director of the new play, forum Play Readings & Stuff. Named one of "Buffalo's emerging young playwrights" by Gusto Magazine and Buffalo's "next A.R. Gurney" by Artvoice Magazine, Kurt was the winner of the Helen Mintz Award for Best New Play (2003) and was nominated for the Artie Award for Outstanding New Play (2004). Most recently, one of Kurt's plays was chosen for the 2004 Toronto Fringe Festival. Writing For Children and Teenagers, with Harriet K. Feder 4 Saturdays Oct 2, 9, 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $135, $110 for members Is that story for kids you long to write cowering inside your head? Is it gasping for air beneath the clutter in your desk? Then it's time to come out of the drawer. Learn to capture your readers with an intriguing "Hook;" build Believable Characters; use a single Point Of View, Identify a Conflict, Show Rather Than Tell and Market your work to an editor. Harriet K. Feder, a former editor of Tom Thumb's Magazine and instructor for the Institute of Children's Literature has published books for everyone from toddlers to teens in the US and abroad.. Her most recent young adult novel, Death On Sacred Ground was a 2002 nominee for both Edgar and Agatha awards; a Sidney Taylor Notable Book; a Children's Literature Choice; and a New York Public Library Teen Choice. Her writing has won her a Woman of Accomplishment Legacy Project Award along with such other Western New York notables as Lucille Ball, Joyce Carol Oates, Virginia Kroll, and Gerda Klein. She is a member of the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, Mystery Writers of America, Sisters in Crime, Author's Guild, and Pennwriters of PA. The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff Four Saturday workshops: September 18, October 16, November 13, December 11, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m Whole seminar: $175, $150 for members. Single Saturday session: $50, $40 for members Turn Your Travel Experiences Into Articles for Newspapers and Magazines, September 18 Writing & Selling Short Stories, October 16 Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 Kathryn Radeff's work has appeared in local, regional and national magazines and newspapers, including Woman's World, Instructor, American Fitness, Personal Journaling, The Daytona Beach News Journal, and The Buffalo News and Buffalo Spree. For the past 25 years, she has worked extensively as an educator emphasizing a creative approach to getting published. On Novel Writing, with Linda Lavid 6 Saturdays, September 25, October 2, 9, 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $175, $150 for members Time to brush off that manuscript somewhere buried, take the plunge, and make the commitment to write the great American novel. Yes, the brass ring can be yours, but first you must write the story. For both veterans and novices, this seminar will present the critical foundations necessary to assist you in writing a novel. Topics include: developing plots, building character, generating scenes and, finally, how to make it all make sense. Linda Lavid is author of Rented Rooms. Here work has appeared in The Southern Cross Review, Plots With Guns, Wilmington Blues, and Over Coffee. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!), utilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the spring membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of $50 or more. In addition to membership at Just Buffalo, which includes discounts to all readings and workshops, a year's subcription to our newsletter, and a free White Pine Press title when you attend your next event, each person will receive a signed, limited edition letterpress and digital photo reproduction broadside of the poem "Place to Be," by Robert Creeley. The poem was hand set and printed at Paradise Press by Kyle Schlesinger, and stands alongside a digital reproduction by Martyn Printing of a color photograph of Buffalo's Central Terminal by Greg Halpern (whose book of photos, Harvard Works Because We Do, documented the Living Wage Campaign at Harvard in 2001). Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS LISTINGS Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at mjk@justbuffalo.org. Due to the number of Just Buffalo events listed in this newsletter, we cannot list an event here unless it is a Just Buffalo-sponsored or co-sponsored event. However, starting this fall, we will run a short list of the week's events at the end of the newsletter with a link to the Community Literary Events page on our website. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:24:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: "text" question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I can't pin it to an exact date, but gawd -- these goes WAAAAAYYY back -- long before post-structuralism or post anything else -- professors of religion were using this term in this way (as did even evangelical ministers) when I was a small child -- On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000, Tim Peterson wrote: > I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be kicking > myself later... > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or > "poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > > Thanks, > > Tim > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:45:22 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Untitled (stories of dead ends #003) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit plagiarizing with copy and paste just a test delete 4 black horsemen so-called friends, and on to a new life together. and wish that the shakes would fuck off into the embryonic suspicion disturbing isnt it?" True cradling my head in my arms and exist the strange passages can we remove it? actually no don't want to regulate space.. nevermind.. plagiarizing with copy and paste Why would you want to remove it??? I eat to much Xanax. but i dont give a shit. that maybe there really is something seriously when we get to Berlin 7 huge lightbulbs of unclean meat never had a child hood. When one week, and we're out of this place, away from these ones that kill me are the ones scream, reality television is on with sound off cool.. hinges are rusted solid about the sos? whats up? Hello approximately 18 inches from the urinal, How are you, how have you been? Are you sure you want to delete all messages? D.O.A. by T.G. laptop hooked in to the Internet there's a homework window plagiarizing with copy and paste "It's a tragedy," images and identities in and with the dead necessary to state that! I'm really sorry (1 item remaining) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:53:00 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Untitled (stories of dead ends #004) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bleeding-hearted hypothalamus within unupgraded fire-walls this is an attachment message velvet links remaining steel mercatorcollaged brain acronymkristin convergent acronymkristin divergent acronymkristin detergent only despair impair is obscene never was she a territory not even a map restricted access printer friendly is beyond the pay pale don't give a shit bout who she fucked tho 'd give my life for hers to be an eternal climax apogée m; point culminant (sexual) orgasme m you don't know her hair her skin the nape of her neck the sweetness of the hollow of her shoulder blade ah potentially unsafe information ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:30:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Announcing COMBO 13 and our first COMBO BOOK - by K. Silem Mohammad Comments: cc: ImitaPo Memebers , poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk, "NewPoetry: Contemporary Poetry News & Views" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed [Mike Magee asked me to forward this to lists. If he's already done so, please forgive the overlap. I've been away]. *********************** Hello everyone! I have two very gratifying announcements to make: at long last I've published COMBO 13 as well as our first COMBO BOOK, K. Silem Mohammad's A THOUSAND DEVILS. COMBO 13 features poems by Amy King, David Hadbawnik, Rodney Koeneke, Catherine Meng, Ray DiPalma, Thom Donovan, Kyle Schlesinger, Katie Degentesh, Chris Canavale, Brandon Downing, Kristen Gallagher, Stephanie Young and Rodrigo Toscano as well as Phil Metres's interview with Jerome and Diane Rothenberg and a selection from our second COMBO BOOK (forthcoming in the Fall) ALSO WITH MY THROAT I SHALL SWALLOW TEN THOUSAND SWORDS: ARAKI YASUSADA'S LETTERS IN ENGLISH, ed. Kent Johnson and Javier Alvarez. COMBO is 60 pages, saddle-stiched w/ glossy cardstock cover w/ original artwork. 4-issue subscriptions to COMBO are $12.00 A Lifetime subscription (which includes all available back issues) is $50.00 And our new "Full Lifetime Subscription" -- $100.00 -- entitles you to all past and future issues of the magazine and all past and future Combo Books. This is a phenomenal deal! As for our first book, it's a doozy! K. Silem Mohammad's A THOUSAND DEVILS is a beautiful trade paperback of 104 pages with a kick ass cover featuring swarming ants and many many fantastic poems. The purchase price is $12.00. Here are the words of two wonderful poets on Mohammad's book: ******************* Imagine Olivier portraying Yosemite Sam as a Bedouin, "May a thousand devils take 'em!", which I'm told is a curse as PG Obsolete as Pantagruel yelling "Sacre Bleu!" However, be warned as each of Mr Mohammad's poems provides a new form of hotfoot for the info-damned at the nostalgia-plex; read for example "The New South." Hear within devils pass through a participle accelerator as the sound of nouns bleeds away the din to reveal Pandemonium. --Michael Gizzi If an ancient had an epileptic seizure, he was possessed by a thousand devils. When he regained consciousness, the devils were driven out by a healer. The devils had to go somewhere. In this case they have gone into the poems. Upon reading this book, my brain seemed to be scorched with a hissing flame of fire. a million nerves were open and screaming in agony, curling hooks into my flesh. I went to bed but could not sleep. The words were like flying birds, the lines like humming bees. Pandemonium! The poems roar or whisper balefully from the sand or from the wind, or stir unseen in the coiling silence; or fall from the heavens like crushing incubi. They yawn like a sudden pit before the eye of the reader. I see in the poems the traces of a simple honest heart; and in his large, deep eyes, fiery black and bold, there seem tokens of a spirit that would dare a thousand devils (and the hairy creature clinging to his throat) to scream with infernal delight at the sound and sight of these verses' awful agony and hopeless despair. With their dismal fooleries they transform our worthless days and disentangle a thousand evils, and they are indeed, incredible. --Nada Gordon ************************* We hope to be up and available at Small Press Distribution soon but for now all COMBO publications can be purchased with cash or check mailed to Michael Magee Combo 6 Brookwood Ln. Cumberland, RI 02864 All inquiries should be addressed to combo1@cox.net Come and get em! Michael Magee www.combopoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:28:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: "text" question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd say this, too. In, "From Work to Text." -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lucas Klein" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:31 PM Subject: Re: "text" question > I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with Roland Barthes's > distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library with me here, > so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of the turn towards > theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. > > Lucas > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Peterson" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM > Subject: "text" question > > > > I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be > kicking > > myself later... > > > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or > > "poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:35:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Re: "text" question In-Reply-To: <200408091424.KAA11118@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Aldon, You are saying, then, that professors of religion and ministers you knew tended to refer to ANY book or poem as a "text"? If so, this is quite intriguing, but I guess a very natural extension of utterances like "this sermon is a based on a text from Isiah". I remember being stuck by Robert Creeley in class in the 70s saying firmly "OK let's return to the text"--senses of the word "text" from church services of his youth were presumably mingling with new post-/post- usages he was reading about. --- ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > I can't pin it to an exact date, but gawd -- these > goes WAAAAAYYY back -- long > before post-structuralism or post anything else -- > professors of religion were > using this term in this way (as did even evangelical > ministers) when I was a > small child -- > > On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000, Tim Peterson > wrote: > > > I have a question...the answer's probably so > obvious I'm going to be kicking > > myself later... > > > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" > (as opposed to "book" or > > "poem") first became fashionable in American > academic discourse? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright > Orthography . . ." > --Emily > Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:56:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: caught napping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed caught napping http://www.asondheim.org/bronze.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/bronzevid.jpg white stars in a white sky __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:01:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joseph Thomas Subject: Re: "text" question In-Reply-To: <20040809153534.49908.qmail@web51908.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As Aldon suggests, the religious usage is quite old, and, of course, the use of "text" as "book" at least dates in English back to Chaucer. Here's a definition and quotation from the OED regarding the religious use: *The very words and sentences of Holy Scripture; hence, the Scriptures themselves; also, any single book of the Scriptures. Obs. 13.. E.E. Allit. P. C. 37 For in e tyxte, ere yse two [Poverty and Patience] arn in teme layde. 1393 LANGL. P. Pl. C. III. 129 Ich theologie e tixt knowe. c1420 ? LYDG. Assembly of Gods 1500 Fast by Doctryne, on that oon syde, As I remembre, sate Holy Texte. 1542-3 Act 34 & 35 Hen. VIII, c. 1 §10 It shalbe lawfull to everye noble man..to reade..any texte of the Byble..so the same be doone quietlie. 1597 SHAKES. 2 Hen. IV, IV. ii. 7 To heare with reuerence Your exposition on the holy Text. a1668 DAVENANT Poems (1672) 329 Since Holy Text bids Faith to comprehend. But here are some other usages that are very close, if not identical, to our current usage (pertaining to texts as books or poems, rather than, of course, other kinds of non-print "texts"--body as text, culture as text. I wonder if those "texts" are texts more metaphorically, i.e., we can "read" them as if they were texts in the old sense.) I especially like Chaucer's use of "text and glose": That portion of the contents of a manuscript or printed book, or of a page, which constitutes the original matter, as distinct from the notes or other critical appendages. In first quot. fig. c1369 CHAUCER Dethe Blaunche 333 And alle the wallys with colouris fyne Were peynted, bothe text and glose. 1597 MORLEY Introd. Mus. Annot., I haue..thought it best to set downe in Annotations, such thinges as in the text could not so commodiouslie be handled. 1778 WARTON Hist. Eng. Poetry (1840) II. xxiii. 304 note, It is not immediately formed from the Troye-boke of Lydgate, as I have suggested in the text. 1848 MILL Pol. Econ. I. v. §8 (1876) 48 note, Consequently, as shewn in the text, her labourers suffered. 1859 TENNYSON Vivien 669 Every marge enclosing in the midst A square of text that looks a little blot. *Applied vaguely to an original or authority whose words are quoted. Obs. a1400-50 Alexander 214 It be-tid on a tyme e text me recordis, at e mode kynge..farne out of toune. c1400 Destr. Troy 4007 But truly I telle as e text sais. *The wording adopted by an editor as (in his opinion) most nearly representing the author's original work; a book or edition containing this; also, with qualification, any form in which a writing exists or is current, as a good, bad, corrupt, critical, received text. 1841 MYERS Cath. Th. III. §8. 26 Our present Received Text has been a growthimproved from many and various sources. 1845 GRAVES Rom. Law in Encycl. Metrop. II. 770/1 Hänel, the latest editor, has not inserted these seven constitutions in his text. 1870 FREEMAN Norm. Conq. (1877) II. App. 658 The text seems very corrupt. 1875 SCRIVENER Lect. Text N. Test. 7 The vast importance of preserving a pure text of the sacred writers. 1891 Athenæum 15 Aug. 219/1 No attempt has been made to settle the text. The OED provides other shades of meaning as well. Best, Joseph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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(I'm away from all my own texts, so maybe somebody else can supply a citation) I used to hear a radio preacher when I was young who was fond of saying, "I take my text and I take my time," a line I have stolen often -- but come on -- it has never been unusual to hear anybody refer to a string of printed matter as "text" (or, I should say, never in my life time) -- I was always seeing lines that sent me "the text printed below" etc. -- call me a protestant, but this is a long-standing usage -- what changed in the 70s was that it acquired a certain additional tonality among scholars of lit. -- but it wasn't a shift from "book" to "text" or from "work" to "text" that accounts for the broadening of types of text under discussion -- there were "always already" (a phrase, by the way, we can find John Dewey using long before anybody was deconstructing anything) books that some profs considered beneath consideration and calling them texts didn't make the struggle any easier -- rather like the narrowing of the word "literature" over time -- the older meaning is still very much alive, as you'll witness whenever an insurance sales person offers to leave some of their "literature" -- it would be nice if they meant an artistic text of some sort, but they don't-- and they'd be as surprised if you expected them to leave you an epic as most of my students are surprised to learn that "literature" can include the stuff they read outside of their courses -- On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:35:34 +0000, Stephen Baraban wrote: > Aldon, > > You are saying, then, that professors of religion and > ministers you knew tended to refer to ANY book or poem > as a "text"? If so, this is quite intriguing, but I > guess a very natural extension of utterances like > "this sermon is a based on a text from Isiah". > > I remember being stuck by Robert Creeley in class in > the 70s saying firmly "OK let's return to the > text"--senses of the word "text" from church services > of his youth were presumably mingling with new > post-/post- usages he was reading about. > > --- ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > > > I can't pin it to an exact date, but gawd -- these > > goes WAAAAAYYY back -- long > > before post-structuralism or post anything else -- > > professors of religion were > > using this term in this way (as did even evangelical > > ministers) when I was a > > small child -- > > > > On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000, Tim Peterson > > wrote: > > > > > I have a question...the answer's probably so > > obvious I'm going to be kicking > > > myself later... > > > > > > Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" > > (as opposed to "book" or > > > "poem") first became fashionable in American > > academic discourse? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > > "Breaking in bright > > Orthography . . ." > > --Emily > > Dickinson > > > > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > > Kelly Professor of American Literature > > The Pennsylvania State University > > 116 Burrowes > > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > > > (814) 865-0091 > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." --Emily Dickinson Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:56:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kazim Ali Subject: address query In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040809102824.03058728@mail.ilstu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone have an updated e-mail for Sina Queryas? Thanking you, Kazim Ali ===== ==== WAR IS OVER (if you want it) (e-mail president@whitehouse.gov) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 18:15:12 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: Re: "text" question Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed CONCRETE EXAMPLE: (from a real educational-type situation, one among many) Q: But what about the social context out of which the film arose and the writer who wrote it? What about the history of similar genres it learns from? Aren't these important things to look at if we want to know about its meaning? A: I suppose one might look at these things, but on the other hand, these films are TEXTS, so they are "out there floating around" and we "can do whatever we want with them". Tim * * * * * Remember Creeley & Monsieur Texte? (I'm away from all my own texts, so maybe somebody else can supply a citation) I used to hear a radio preacher when I was young who was fond of saying, "I take my text and I take my time," a line I have stolen often -- but come on -- it has never been unusual to hear anybody refer to a string of printed matter as "text" (or, I should say, never in my life time) -- I was always seeing lines that sent me "the text printed below" etc. -- call me a protestant, but this is a long-standing usage -- what changed in the 70s was that it acquired a certain additional tonality among scholars of lit. -- but it wasn't a shift from "book" to "text" or from "work" to "text" that accounts for the broadening of types of text under discussion -- there were "always already" (a phrase, by the way, we can find John Dewey using long before anybody was deconstructing anything) books that some profs considered beneath consideration and calling them texts didn't make the struggle any easier -- rather like the narrowing of the word "literature" over time -- the older meaning is still very much alive, as you'll witness whenever an insurance sales person offers to leave some of their "literature" -- it would be nice if they meant an artistic text of some sort, but they don't-- and they'd be as surprised if you expected them to leave you an epic as most of my students are surprised to learn that "literature" can include the stuff they read outside of their courses -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:20:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: "text" question In-Reply-To: <200408091717.NAA07401@webmail3.cac.psu.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Somewhere back there in Grenier "I hate speech" time (197_)- or whatever he said to dispossess "voice" based poetry, the word "text" became authorized as primary to language making (throwing person/voice centered poems into the dustbin of l'histoire). The French folks obviously providing a supporting "text centered" role here. Inevitably, like most extreme exclusionary acts, this one, too, would crumble, but not without having some obviously healthy impacts on shaking up the 'lit' landscape. But "text" also became central operating word in the new hegemony of the computer. Engineers who perhaps never read a spec of much in the way of poetry or other literature were constantly speaking of and feeding in "lines of text" for x, y or z program. In the context of the pixilated screen - those little loom-like squares - I always assumed the word "text" was used in its original Greek sense as into "weave" - as one keyboarded in one letter after another: the screen displaying a "text", or, in the Greek translation, a weaving. It is ironic that "text books" - especially in the heyday of "Great Books" - were always considered second class in relationship to "primary sources." As if textbooks were a diminishment or dilution or only a fractional representation of the "real" or authentic text. In vernacular (secular) English, I suspect - the fundamentalists and academic usage notwithstanding - "text" always seems privileged or off to the side of "real life." Tho, ironically, it's "text" in the law, insurance forms, etc., etc. that is most likely to do one in - we are constantly reminded - if you don't pay attention "to the small print." I suspect the swing back and forth between the centrality of voice and that of text is as old in this country as Cotton Mather translating English Sermons back into Latin while he listened to them in Church. Or the confusion thereof: George Bush disguises himself as vernacular folk while actually seeing himself as a channel for the Almighty's Biblical text. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > Remember Creeley & Monsieur Texte? (I'm away from all my own texts, so maybe > somebody else can supply a citation) > > I used to hear a radio preacher when I was young who was fond of saying, "I > take > my text and I take my time," a line I have stolen often -- > > but come on -- it has never been unusual to hear anybody refer to a string of > printed matter as "text" (or, I should say, never in my life time) -- I was > always seeing lines that sent me "the text printed below" etc. -- call me a > protestant, but this is a long-standing usage -- what changed in the 70s was > that it acquired a certain additional tonality among scholars of lit. -- but > it > wasn't a shift from "book" to "text" or from "work" to "text" that accounts > for > the broadening of types of text under discussion -- there were "always > already" > (a phrase, by the way, we can find John Dewey using long before anybody was > deconstructing anything) books that some profs considered beneath > consideration > and calling them texts didn't make the struggle any easier -- > > rather like the narrowing of the word "literature" over time -- the older > meaning is still very much alive, as you'll witness whenever an insurance > sales > person offers to leave some of their "literature" -- it would be nice if they > meant an artistic text of some sort, but they don't-- and they'd be as > surprised if you expected them to leave you an epic as most of my students are > surprised to learn that "literature" can include the stuff they read outside > of > their courses -- > > On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:35:34 +0000, Stephen Baraban wrote: > >> Aldon, >> >> You are saying, then, that professors of religion and >> ministers you knew tended to refer to ANY book or poem >> as a "text"? If so, this is quite intriguing, but I >> guess a very natural extension of utterances like >> "this sermon is a based on a text from Isiah". >> >> I remember being stuck by Robert Creeley in class in >> the 70s saying firmly "OK let's return to the >> text"--senses of the word "text" from church services >> of his youth were presumably mingling with new >> post-/post- usages he was reading about. >> >> --- ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: >> >>> I can't pin it to an exact date, but gawd -- these >>> goes WAAAAAYYY back -- long >>> before post-structuralism or post anything else -- >>> professors of religion were >>> using this term in this way (as did even evangelical >>> ministers) when I was a >>> small child -- >>> >>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000, Tim Peterson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a question...the answer's probably so >>> obvious I'm going to be kicking >>>> myself later... >>>> >>>> Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" >>> (as opposed to "book" or >>>> "poem") first became fashionable in American >>> academic discourse? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> "Breaking in bright >>> Orthography . . ." >>> --Emily >>> Dickinson >>> >>> >>> Aldon L. Nielsen >>> Kelly Professor of American Literature >>> The Pennsylvania State University >>> 116 Burrowes >>> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >>> >>> (814) 865-0091 >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:58:15 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: text question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" it allowed them to consider all manner of written (and glyphic) matter suitable for analysis, not just "LITERATURE." At 6:35 AM +0000 8/9/04, Tim Peterson wrote: >Thanks Lucas. I figured it might have been Barthes, but more specifically I >was asking when and why, that is, what did it allow people in the field of >English at the time to do that they couldn't do before? What was it about >the context or the situation that made this idea catch on, and as an >alternative to what? > >Best, > >Tim > >* * * * * * > >I'm guessing here, but I think it had something to do with Roland Barthes's >distinction between "work" and "text". I don't have my library with me here, >so I can't check any references, but I'd say it was part of the turn towards >theory in literary studies that began in the seventies. > >Lucas > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Peterson" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 11:19 PM >Subject: "text" question > >>I have a question...the answer's probably so obvious I'm going to be >kicking >>myself later... >> >>Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" (as opposed to "book" or >>"poem") first became fashionable in American academic discourse? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Tim -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:17:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Re: "text" question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim wrote:=20 ..| Can anyone remember when and why ..| the word "text" (as opposed to "book"=20 ..| or "poem") first became fashionable in=20 ..| American academic discourse? =09 =20 The word "text" became popular with American academics in the late 60's (deconstruction) because it contributed to a revisionary history of romanticism which preferred allegorical or ironic language over the 'unity' of romantic symbol ("il n' y a pas de hors-texte"). I think partially Saussure "Cours de Linguistique g=E9n=E9rale" (1916) = and later Derrida's "De La Grammatologie" (1967) =20 In my opinion, this revolution, which has (literally) launched a thousand headlines, is a "commercial" mark=20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:17:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004, part 3 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ooh kevin just getting to read these now, after over a month of away-ness and they're terrif. on my sabbatical last year i read the entirety of the new bio of gayorga, and it paints a somewhat more ambiguous picture of kantorowicz's legacy thru s-george. a fascinating book Secret Germany, by Robert Norton. i wrote abt ek a bit in this forthcoming essay that's going to be in that book After Spicer edited by John Vincent. it was fun. At 8:12 AM -0700 7/30/04, Kevin Killian wrote: >What I Saw at the Orono Conference 2004 > >Thursday, June 24, 2004 > >Up at out of Steve and Jennifer's house by 8:00 a.m., and somehow >found my way to Neville Hall where I located the first of the many >panels I planned to visit. This one was about "The Visionary Poetics >of Robert Duncan." I was always choosing and sometimes not very >well, thus ignoring panels on Wallace Stevens, Louis Zukofsky, >Theodore Roethke and Randall Jarrell. The choice seemed clear. >Peter O'Leary was there, reading from a paper called "In My >Psychological Concept," and I remember Steve Fredman's paper as well, >which took up Duncan's bizarre volume "Letters," actually a product >of the 1950s or so I think, but Fredman showed us that it represented >a culmination of Duncan's entire late 40s phase and incidentally >represented for him a new beginning, a Black Mountain beginning, as >Duncan was always shoving his gondola off in new directions. > >The reading by Jackson Mac Low was pretty great. Well, over the >years I've seen him here and there and he's often great (at Small >Press Traffic we had just finished voting him unanimously in as our >Lifetime Achievement Winner for the year). But this time, I suppose >to get into the 1940s motif, he went back to the very beginning and >started his reading with a poem he wrote at age 16 or 18? Anyway >from 1938 and it was called, "Hunger Strike." It's in Representative >Works, and so are a few more early poems from the 1940s which he also >read, giving them all the Jackson Mac Low treatment, like his mouth >is a fireworks factory and someone's thrown in a lit match, watch out >folks. It was all very dazzling and also brought vividly into the >room a piece of the past, baby steps of a troubling postmodernism. >It had been written so long ago I certainly never thought I'd hear >"Hunger Strike" in my life. It was like the time FSG published that >compilation of several of Ashbery's earliest books in it, and he went >around the country in support of that volume, and we in the audience >found ourselves again back in time, hearing "He," a very old poem, >for the very first time. > >Then we heard another poet of the 1940s-this one called Harvey >Shapiro, who gave a reading from his own work of many decades. The >way Norman Finkelstein explained it to us, Shapiro also has a career >in the editorial world, and he was editor of the NYT Book Review for >years. And now he has come out with a brand new book called "Poets >of World War II" from the Library of America. I was in the groove >and could have listened to a great many more poets of the 1940s but >instead it was lunch-time to be followed by more panels. His book >has a lot of the poets of the 1940s in it, including Oppen, Bronk, >Richard Eberhart, Berryman, Jarrell, Nemerov, Kenneth Koch, even >Woody Guthrie, Zukofsky, even CO's like Everson and Lowell, and a >handful of poems from the dire Lincoln Kirstein. > >But instead I went back, took a nap, and missed out on what I later >heard were some of the best panels of all. Robert van Hallberg spoke >on the Pisan Cantos, Grant Jenkins on Melvin Tolson, Lyn Hejinian >chaired an Objectivists panel, Susan Gilmore talked about Millay's >war poetry, and also I missed an entire Pound session with Youngman >Kim which I didn't want to miss because of his character, I feel like >I missed a whole novel by Dickens. > >There was Youngmin Kim, whom I gathered after observing him at a >cocktail party was the top poet of Korea, with many stories about >meeting this or that American poet and besting them at their own >game. He was born in 1925 like many of the great American poets whom >he listed. He said that on a visit to California in the mid-1960s he >had tracked down Gary Snyder at some Marin retreat and stumbling >through the grasses, he came across what he thought was a man and a >woman. In fact the 'woman" was Snyder, Youngmin Kim had never seen >such long hair on a man. "And years later, when he and I presided >over the Seoul Poetry Conference of 1999, we shared a merry laugh >over his womanhood." I would listen to his stories with my mouth >open, not sure I was getting all of the wit. He reminded me of the >poets of my youth, all of whom were braggarts, they just couldn't >help it. Kim told me of his greatest accomplishment, writing the >epic poem "San Diego" I think it was called, while working as a youth >on a sampan from Hong Kong to Seoul. The amazing this was that this >huge long poem, which rivals Hart Crane's "The Bridge" for beauty, >was written entirely in English, a language which Kim did not really >know at the time! > >After lunch I went to see Panel 3C, "Robert Duncan and the Berkeley >Renaissance" in Neville Hall. Kelly Holt gave a paper that explained >who Ernst Kantorowicz was and how his social and aesthetic policies >saw him in good stead, both in protesting Nazi race policies in the >early 30s, and in taking a moral stance against the McCarthyite >hysteria of postwar California regents. Kantorowicz enters poetic >history by becoming the teacher of many of the poets in the Berkeley >Renaissance--Robert Duncan, Jack Spicer, Robin Blaser, and exposing >them to his own personal history, he had been a member of the >GeorgeKreis, the circle of intellectuals and Adonises that surrounded >the German poet Stefan George in the Modernist era. The theory is >that Spicer and Duncan and Blaser formed their ideas about poetic >community in emulation of Kantorowicz' membership in the Georgekreis. >Until recently however I was never sure how much, exactly, Spicer >knew about Stefan George. Why it wasn't until 1980 that I realized >his name was pronounced "Gayorga," and not our own humble "George" >like "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" But anyway among the >treasures we found recently in the Bancroft Library was a translation >Spicer made of George's translation of Baudelaire's SPLEEN poem. Oh, >the lineage, this was the kind of thing Allen Ginsberg always >enjoyed. And also we found a questionnaire Spicer had answered >regarding his poetic influences that makes it pretty clear that he'd >been introduced to, and knocked on his ass by, the work of Stefan >George at around the age of 18 or 19. So Kelly's paper took in a >little of all these aspects of Kantorowicz' importance. Jeff >Hamilton's paper was also good, but I didn't understand all of it. I >had never met Hamilton before nor even heard of him and yet he was >exactly the kind of guy I would like to take a class from. He seemed >like he knew everything and knew how to explain it too. Andrew >Mossin's paper on the homosexual impulses behind the "Venice Poem" >was, as I expected, perfectly pleasurable and filled with insight-so >much so that I wondered briefly if, during the time since I'd last >seen Andrew, he'd gone gay. Then I remembered that nowadays any >straight man or woman can do the gay thing exquisitely and it doesn't >mean a thing about their real life sexual preference. It's like >Scientology in reverse! > >Jackson Mac Low and Anne Tardos were at dinner with us. Tardos >wasn't reading herself, a pity for she has a coruscating, Tower of >Babel style I've never heard duplicated in any of her imitators. >Over dinner we decided who was for Nader and who wasn't, under the >cover of explaining to our Canadian colleague Miriam Nichols why >Nader was so idolized and despised at the same time. Indeed the >atmosphere was all much more against Nader than against Bush. At the >evening before, Creeley had apologized to Mac Low for having voted >for Nader the first time around under the influence of his son, but >this time he swore, he wouldn't. > >"Did anyone see Vic?" > >Vic? No, I didn't place the reference. > >It was "Vic" from Queer as Folk, the gay male soap on Showtime cable >channel which apparently Mac Low and Tardos watch faithfully. "Vic" >is the uncle of one of the main characters and also thus Sharon >Gless's brother on the show, and just last Saturday Vic got killed >off on the show, so picture their shock when they were walking >through Neville Hall and bumped right into Vic face to face. "We >were as close to him as I am to you!" they swore, and even though I >didn't know who he was, I still wanted to get his autograph, it's the >way I'm made. "We asked him what he was doing at Orono and he said >he was going to be Robert Lowell!" > >The big Saturday night event this year was to be a performance of a >play which had been made out of the Lowell-Bishop letters, a >two-person play. I couldn't make up my mind if this sounded like a >good idea or a very, very camp idea. I liked the name of the >playwright-Monique Fowler-who was also going to be playing Bishop >opposite the Robert Lowell of "Vic"-but the play had a title that >seemed determined to explain everything away before you even saw it. >"One Atlantic: From Bangor to Rio." It barely made sense, and yet it >made too much sense. As for "Vic," he is a Canadian actor who was >one of the late Timothy Findlay's favorites and who also recently >played Shakespeare in a new play called Swansong so perhaps Robert >Lowell wasn't much of a stretch. Apparently Robert Lowell wrote that >insane poem, "Skunk Hour," just a few miles from where we sat gabbing >and eating, and apparently Elizabeth Bishop lived thousands of miles >away enjoying the permanent Carnaval society of Rio. although maybe >"enjoying" is the wrong word; still, one gets the idea that she's >have a few drinks at sunset and then write to Lowell about her >problems with that stern architect whom she loved so much. > >Thus the conversation turned to the way high culture occasionally >leaks into mass culture. Jennifer Moxley recalled the Fred and >Ginger film, Top Hat (1935), in which a telegram comes and Ginger's >dress designer reads it to her. "Come ahead-stop-stop being a >sap-stop-you can even bring Alberto-stop-my husband is stopping at >your hotel-stop-when do you start-stop." The dress designer frowns. >"I cannot understand who wrote this!" he cries. Ginger snaps, >"Sounds like Gertrude Stein." Anne Tardos recalled a Chabrol film in >which a detective presses a madeleine on a recalcitrant suspect, >saying "They're great for the memory." I always thought that >Hitchcock's The 39 Steps was referencing Proust; if you recall, the >plot revolves around the search for the UK music-hall performer, "Mr. >Memory," who snaps into motion, spouting huge realms of data, when >confronted by the visage of the leading lady, Madeleine Carroll. >Coincidence? I think not. > >In the middle of the dinner Doug Rothschild turned up, having driven >all the way from Albany New York with Don Byrd. Doug was staying at >Steve and Jennifer's house also, in the cutest room up in an old >fashioned attic, the kind of room you picture Fairfield Porter having >grown up in, splendid. This was great for me as it was my chance to >spend a bit of time with Doug whom I met ten years or so or more but >have never gotten to see alone I don't think, and finally I realized >what people were saying was right, all these years, he is a prince of >a fellow. He switched back and forth between these two beautiful >suits, one bright red like a cardinal, the other more of a >mulligatawny, he was the most elegant man in Maine outside of J. >Hillis Miller. > >I had my one book that I got people to sign, it was an Advance >Reading Copy of the old Best American Poetry of 2002. When I got it, >tattered and bumped up a little around the edges, it had already been >signed by four contributors, Anselm Berrigan, Duncan McNaughton, >Clark Coolidge, and Clayton Eshleman. In San Francisco, I had run >down Joseph Lease and Peter Gizzi (while he was here visiting). But >Orono was like a minefield of "Best American Poets," I started with >Creeley, the editor, and ran like Roger Bannister after the rest, >Jackson Mac Low and Jennifer Moxley to start out with. I made a >little mental list of who to spot and when. Some might think it >stupid, so I had to think of a reason to persuade them. See, I was >imagining things in my head that never came true. Soon that >blue-covered book was bulging with people's names. Norman >Finkelstein, Phil Metres, Ben Friedlander, Ted Enslin, and more. >It's sitting here on my desk, my one souvenir I brought back with me. >I could put it on Ebay, or I could keep it whole. -- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:02:17 -0400 Reply-To: Geoffrey Gatza Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Organization: BlazeVOX [books] Subject: This Week On BlazeVOX -- ebooks Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS , Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics , ImitaPo Memebers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This Week On BlazeVOX =20 =20 =20 Help Support This Poetic Project by getting your very own POETRY USA = pin! For only $3.00 you can help out a non-funded poetry publisher make it to = the big time! 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Cost: $10 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 16:06:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Aelia Laelia, Sprightly Still Brightly, Death-White Loveliness Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed white page's cipher's got a shot at muddy shapes murmurs — which nymph has that charioteer air? lightly, but still, laurel thickens Wormswork's mane when a rose's faintly heard there's class fear, flowers when will their echo break — wait, Wormswork — the horrid will itself break on the ears of that same papery listener I've alluded to so many times that white-handed & deep-recessed Mr. Hole up in their rumblings he hears nothing of Long Empire it's a lark by degrees, & all-out cheek when he stops listening & pipes up with "Me nightingales? No, just, at most, apples hymning — just enough where it couldn't matter if I talk over it now, & all the while you were looking — writing — of roses & company" oh what my portrayal blights, & what are my pieces, really? shapes in the eyes, or in soft nonfictional ears? mathematics that take no account mountains stand, there's noise there too, whether numbers are uttered or not, the rose overwhelms your listen, mine too, else I wouldn't mention it, of all the players one must be practical, aside from a fictional character that may as well be the rose for all the good it helps Ariadne's thread awfully the dark in fiction, awfully sunbeams & the like, awfully the allusions, shut or flooded, where what all the cipher comes down to is forgetfulness, else you think red is hot & blue feels cool eternally, green verse breezy sweet where awfully the Wormswork, the Virginia, the rosy Mr. Hole, awfully they who continually play at being floatings mid-air, rubbing their names into dustjackets & white page's cipher _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Girl Blog from Iraq... let's talk war, politics and occupation. =A0 Baghdad Burning ... I'll meet you 'round the bend my friend, where hearts can heal and soul= s can mend... Saturday, August 07, 2004 =A0 Clashes and Churches... 300+ dead in a matter of days in Najaf and Al Sadir City. Of course, they are all being called =8Cinsurgents=B9. The woman on tv wrapped in the abaya, lying sprawled in the middle of the street must have been one of them too. Several explosions rocked Baghdad today- some government employees were tol= d not to go to work tomorrow. So is this a part of the reconstruction effort promised to the Shi=B9a in the south of the country? Najaf is considered the holiest city in Iraq. It is visited by Shi=B9a from all over the world, and yet, during the last two days= , it has seen a rain of bombs and shells from none other than the =8Csaviors=B9 o= f the oppressed Shi=B9a- the Americans. So is this the =8CSunni Triangle=B9 too? It=B9s d=E9j=E0 vu- corpses in the streets, people mourning their dead and dying and buildings up in flames. The images flash by on the television screen an= d it=B9s Falluja all over again. Twenty years from now who will be blamed for the mass graves being dug today? We=B9re waiting again for some sort of condemnation. I, personally, never had faith in the American selected proxy government currently pretending to be in power- but for some reason, I keep thinking that any day now- any moment= - one of the Puppets, Allawi for example, will make an appearance on television and condemn all the killing. One of them will get in front of a camera and announce his resignation or at the very least, his utter disgust= , at the bombing, the burning and the killing of hundreds of Iraqis and call for an end to it=8A it=B9s a foolish hope, I know. So where is the interim constitution when you need it? The sanctity of private residences is still being violated... people are still being unlawfully arrested... cities are being bombed. Then again, there really is nothing in the constitution that says the American millitary *can't* actually bomb and burn. Sistani has conveniently been flown to London. His =8Cillness=B9 couldn=B9t come at a better moment if Powell et al. had personally selected it. While everyone has been waiting for him to denounce the bombing and killing of fellow-Shi=B9a in Najaf and elsewhere, he has come down with some bug or othe= r and had to be shipped off to London for check-ups. That way, he can remain silent about the situation. Shi=B9a everywhere are disappointed at this silence. They are waiting for some sort of a fatwa or denouncement- it will not come while Sistani is being coddled by English nurses. One of the news channels showed him hobbling off of a private airplane, surrounded by his usual flock of groupies and supporters. I couldn=B9t quite tell, but I could have sworn Bahr Ul Iloom was with him. E. said that one o= f the groupies was actually Chalabi but it was difficult to tell because the cameraman was, apparently, standing quite far away. The thought that Sistani is seriously ill does make everyone somewhat uneasy. Should he decide to die on us now, it will probably mean a power struggle between the Shi'a clerics in the south. Juan Cole has a lot more about it. Last week churches were bombed- everyone heard about that. We were all horrified with it. For decades- no centuries- churches and mosques have stood side by side in Iraq. We celebrate Christmas and Easter with our Christian friends and they celebrate our Eids with us. We never categorized eachother as "Christian" and "Muslim"... It never really mattered. We were neighbors and friends and we respected eachother's religious customs and holidays. We have many differing beliefs- some of them fundamental- but it never mattered. It makes me miserable to think that Christians no longer feel safe. I know we're all feeling insecure right now, but there was always that sense of security between differing religions. Many Iraqis have been inside churches to attend weddings, baptisms, and funerals. Christians have been suffering since the end of the war. Some of them are being driven out of their homes in the south and even in some areas in Baghdad and the north. Others are being pressured to dress a certain way or not attend church, etc. So many o= f them are thinking of leaving abroad and it's such a huge loss. We have famous Christain surgeons, professors, artists, and musicians. It has alway= s been an Iraqi quality in the region- we're famous for the fact that we all get along so well. I'm convinced the people who set up these explosions are people who are trying to give Islam the worst possible image. It has nothing to do with Islam- just as this war and occupation has nothing to do with Christianity and Jesus- no matter how much Bush tries to pretend it does. That's a part of the problem- many people feel this war and the current situation is a crusade of sorts. 'Islam' is the new communism. It's the new Cold War to frighten Americans into arming themselves to the teeth and attacking other nations in 'self-defense'. It's the best way to set up 'Terror Alerts' and frighten people into discrimination against Arabs, in general, and Muslims specifically... just as this war is helping to breed anger and hate towards westerners in general, and Americans specifically. A person who lost their parent, child or home to this war and occupation will take it very personally and will probably want revenge- it won't matter if they are Muslim or Christian. I always love passing by the churches. It gives me a momentary sense that everything must be right in the world to see them standing lovely and brigh= t under the Baghdad sun, not far from the local mosque. Their elegant simplicity is such a contrast with the intricate designs of our mosques. There's a lovely church in our area. It stands tall, solid and gray. It is very functional and simple- a rectangular structure with a pointy roof, topped by a plain cross or 'saleeb', simple wooden doors and a small garden= - it looks exactly like the drawings your 7-year-old nephew or daughter would make of the local church. This simplicity contrasted wonderfully with its stained-glass windows. The windows are at least 30 different colors. I always find myself staring at them as we pass, wondering about the myriad o= f shapes and colors they throw down upon the people inside. It hurts to pass it by these days because I know so many of the people who once visited it are gone- they've left to Syria, Jordan, Canada... with broken hearts and bitterness. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 19:01:28 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: White House Intercedes for Gas Project in National Forest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0809-02.htm "In this environment, we need new natural gas supplies more than ever,'' wrote El Paso's federal government affairs director to Robert W. Middleton, the director of the White House Task Force on Energy Project Streamlining. "We believe that the Valle Vidal Unit could be a vital new source of such supply. Consequently, we would very much appreciate anything you could do to help move this process forward in a timely manner.'' ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 17:16:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: White House Intercedes for Gas Project in National Forest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is terrible. That's beautiful country. You can walk from Las Vegas, NM, through the Pecos Wilderness, which joins the Carson National Forest, all the way to Taos without crossing a road. Maybe a five-day trip. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hehir" To: Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: White House Intercedes for Gas Project in National Forest > http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0809-02.htm > > > "In this environment, we need new natural gas supplies more > than ever,'' wrote El Paso's federal government affairs director to Robert W. > Middleton, the director of the White House Task Force on Energy Project > Streamlining. "We believe that the Valle Vidal Unit could be a vital new > source of such supply. Consequently, we would very much appreciate > anything you could do to help move this process forward in a timely > manner.'' > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 02:39:59 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Retro Seventies Forties Night Out Comments: To: poneme@lists.grouse.net.au MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Retro Seventies Forties Night Out I I know a box with nothing in; I call't - my friend. The danger of pentameters is that they can go even further. There is a too far, I know, it ends in a box. Last night I loved you, my tongue told your mouth. II Two middle-aged people, the one (the him) a bankrupt alcoholic, the other (the her) a gold-toothed crackhead. Holding each other for a little winter love in a dark corner. III Quatrains bore me. But they can hold in your lips on the chopsticks as I dipped the beef satay into you, the broody scent of sex in sudden summer's air, before .... IV Before perpetual night. Summer, and winter stands stage door. Love, and death holds by with the keys. This verse is too abstract, there must be V flesh and blood behind it. A real Seventies chick I called her, as her long loose hair curled like a stream's flow. I kissed her nipples like pollen. We hugged VI as if afraid of death. David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:00:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: angel dreaming angel 'fucking mental cripple' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed angel dreaming angel angel dreaming angel http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/angel/ god loving god 'fucking mental cripple' i'm a fucking mental cripple, to use a coined phrase, sitting in front of this machine hour after hour, as if the whole world's in it, when I know damned well it's addictive. i used to think it wasn't, just something i could walk away from, a corner for my art, now i've got constant headaches and can't stop taking pills for them, i'm on just about everybody's kill files, a literary spam nuisance to the rest of the world, not even a hyper link to save my faltering web pages given me by the grace of some fucking charitable god. i keep putting ill-earned dollars into this equipment which needs far too much updating for an unemployed permanent non-worker who fucks up at every chance of getting nothing done whatsoever. or should i go for disability given my complete failure at work, mucking up here and there whenever i can. it's a wonder i have a partner or any friends at all, the screen's already shimmering at the edges as my eyes can't focus and i'm getting closer to a migraine by the minute. should i take the codeine again, because if i don't the headache will spread just like it does daily and furious in the frontal lobes or somewhere around there, my eyes feeling as if a hammer had hit them, and all this when i'm awake, which isn't too often, as a result of depression or maybe unnaturally low blood pressure, according to my doctor, who tells me to take coffee. as if i didn't take coffee day in and day out, when i'm not eating fruit and other sugary things. but nothing does any good, when i'm stammering in front of the monitor, absorbing cancerous radiation almost every minute of the bloody day with nothing to show for it but a text like this or a goddamned pretty picture or video that lasts less time than a commercial with a lot less sense. i should get up and die but i have to log off first and that takes time, maybe set the whole thing to hibernate. hibernate. hibernate. hibernate. i'm i'm a a i'm i'm a fucking mental mental fucking a fucking mental cripple, to cripple, mental mental cripple, use a use to cripple, to a coined coined use to use coined sitting sitting coined a a phrase, front front in coined coined sitting of this of sitting phrase, sitting this hour hour of sitting in this after hour, machine front in this hour, if hour, this front machine as whole the after this machine if world's world's as machine hour if in when whole hour, hour if it, know it, if after if it, damned know world's as if it, it's it's when the if it, it's i well in the it, it's to i I whole in it's it think well in in it's it just used I it, well wasn't, i it well when damned it walk i used know damned it away away it well damned think away corner i i well to away my from, it it's used walk art, my i i i could now i've from, think used something art, headaches my something used just my and constant away think wasn't, for can't can't for just wasn't, a can't pills got could wasn't, from, and them, stop corner something walk constant i'm them, now could could got on just and from, could now i'm kill for my walk my for a about constant from, corner taking a a taking for corner can't a nuisance just i've corner headaches kill rest a can't for got about of the them, now now on of world, kill constant now for rest even nuisance taking i've stop to hyper world, on got and literary link hyper a can't headaches kill hyper my rest for headaches just even web __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 23:59:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: k18% live from new york MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed k18% live from new york k18% live from new york ksh: live: not found k19% demonstrations are banned ksh: demonstrations: not found k20% helicopters are banned ksh: helicopters: not found k21% divers are banned ksh: divers: not found k22% terrorists are banned ksh: terrorists: not found k23% comforts are banned ksh: comforts: not found k24% freedoms are banned ksh: freedoms: not found k25% bombings are coming ksh: bombings: not found k26% violence is coming ksh: violence: not found k27% violence is here ksh: violence: not found k28% fury is banned ksh: fury: is here ___ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:14:09 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: majena mafe Subject: text queries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I'm following the recent discussion on 'TEXT', and my ears = pick up with interest. Having a few genre identity problems here, this = side of the world that seem solved by calling my work text based instead = of poetry...or fiction...this is coming from a rather conservative = writing program in a conservative country. If the writing is rich the = writing of long pieces are tentively but anxiously assumed fiction; the = short is labelled poetry. Since my work is influenced by the language = poets and the west coast experimental narratives...french philosophy and = theory, i rest with calling my work text based instead of settling = somewhere in the mid west. I'd be very interested how other people = handle this delema or if they have it at, all ever. Australia is = conservative interms of innovative writing but hopefully will be open = to change in the future, but for now the genre rules like a big = stick...J ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:26:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: angel dreaming angel 'fucking mental cripple' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow that's why i have all those headaches and my fingers hurt so much and i get the shakes the damned machine it's the damned machine it's a rumor this paradise a raw deal random & everything you question drips from the palm of your hand. sky baby smiling the hoorah applause within the withstood a place a chair a worldly gush ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:20:18 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit beach apres sand salt in the cracks.... dawn...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:24:45 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit bing tech tax audit bank rupt trump google bang dawn..up/down...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:12:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: homage =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0?= dubuffet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all here are some of my translations of titles of d's lithographs that i saw at the asger jorn museum in silkeborg. do you-all want to write short poems using one or more of the titles as your own? to compile an homage? some of the translations are made up, some literal, most somewhat tweaked --are: 1. lightfeather arrows 2. the erosive labor 3. earth-breath 4. earth-bread 5. enpebbled text 6. shadows' fever-pulse 7. furtive concert 8. air-flower 9. forbidden curtain 10. leopardy patina 11. brutal d=E9cor 12. texty ricochet 13. text of the missing ones 14. shadow-bath 15. devastated water/rocking shadows 16. decrepit text 17. nude air 18. geo-bodied 19. temporairie situation 20. secret upstandings 21. wrinkled elements 22. text all a-tremble 23. stone-lace 24. vestigiary 25. conjugaries 26. scorchery 27. cloudy text 28. violet dynamism 29. earth-embroidery 30. silverflats reading 31. secret calendar 32. bed of appeasement 33. nappy-earthed surface 34. stone festival 35. celestial earth 36. underground theatre -- -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:49:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: CRISIS IN NAPAL In-Reply-To: <20040810.030345.-73519.13.skyplums@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://transdada.blogspot.com/ CRISIS IN NAPAL - SPREAD THE WORD... TODAY!!!! PLEASE FORWARD there is a crisis in Napal, Members of ( http://www.bds.org.np/ )The=20 Blue Society have been arrested. Please contact local and national paper, let the press know, contact=20 Human Rights organization, and GBLYQI organizations.. In the past few days assaults on queers, trans, and gays have happened=20= and there has been no media coverage. Bring transparency to this violence that is happening now!!.. the members of the Blue Diamond Society are in jail without food or=20 water.. act now, contact: http://www.hrw.org/ http://www.iglhrc.org/site/iglhrc/ http://www.amnesty.org/ http://www.thetaskforce.org/ In words http://transdada2.blogspot.com/ Press Note Date: 10.08.04 Last night around 22:30 PM 39 members of Blue Diamond Society were=20 haphazardly arrested and taken to Hanuman Dhoka Police Station, center=20= of investigation in the heart of Kathmandu. They have been detained=20 till now without food and have been treated inhumanly without having=20 any faults and we, Blue Diamond Society are very concerned. They were=20 arrested along with other people from different occupation and this is=20= against the Human Rights and rights of sexual minorities of any=20 national or international laws. This also shows carelessness and=20 discrimination done by the police. In addition the inhuman behavior=20 done by the police is not only arresting but also brutally beating up=20 the arrested MSMs, which is against any principles. below are numbers and contacts for officials in the Napal Government =20 ACT NOW!!! (MORE LATER) NEPAL =A0 King of Nepal: =A0 Office of H.M. the King =A0 Narayanhity Royal Palace =A0 Durbar Marg =A0 Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977-1-413577 ; 227577 =A0 Fax : 977-1-227395 ; 411955 Prime Minister: =A0 The Office of Prime Minister =A0 Singh-Durbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 227955 =A0 Fax : 977 1 227286 or 428570 Ministry of Foreign Affairs =A0 Shital Niwas, =A0 Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel: 009771-416011-15 / 416002 =A0 Fax: 009771-416016 =A0 E mail: mofa@mos.com.np , nep@mofa.mos.com.np Ministry of Law and Justice =A0 Mr. Mahanta Thakur =A0 Singhadurbar =A0 Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel: 220386/ 220621 =A0 Fax: 220684/ 224633 Home Minister: =A0 Govinda Raj Joshi, Minister of Home Affairs (As of July, 2000) =A0 The Office of the Home Minister =A0 Singh Durbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 224737 =A0 Fax : 977 1 227187 or 977 1 241942 =A0 HYPERLINK = "mailto:moha@mos.com.np?SUBJECT=3DInformation"moha@mos.com.np Foreign Minister: Chakra Prasad Banstola Royal Minister of Foreign Affairs =A0 Maharajganj =A0 Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 tel : 011 977 1 416011 =A0 Fax : 011 977 1 416016 Minister of Law and Justice: =A0 Mahanta Thakur (7/00) =A0 Prem Badhur Singh (97) =A0 Singh Darbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 011 977 1 220987 =A0 HYPERLINK "mailto:molaw@wlink.com.np"molaw@wlink.com.np Attorney General of Nepal: =A0 Kumar Chudal (99) =A0 Office of the Attorney General of Nepal =A0 Singh Darbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 227197 =A0 Fax : 977 1 227282 Inspector of General Police: =A0 Mr. Ram Kaji Bantawa? =A0 Mr. Achyut =A0 Krishna Kharel (2/00) The Inspector General of Police =A0 Police Head Quarters =A0 GPO box 407 =A0 Naxal, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 411210 =A0 Fax : 977 1 415594 or 415593 =A0 info@nepalpolice.gov.np Dept of Jail Administration: =A0 Krishna Prasa Sharma (99) =A0 Baneshwor, Kathmandu,Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 471307 Narcotic Drug Control Law Enforcement Unit: =A0 Keshav Prasad Baral (99) =A0 New Baneshwor, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 482 187 =A0 Fax : 977 1 496 578 Dept of National Investigation of Crime: =A0 Chief Govind Karma Thapa (99) =A0 Singha Durbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 224 559, 242592 Special Police Dept: =A0 Chief Officer Madan Bahadur Pandey (99) =A0 Singha Durbar, Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 227096, 417486 Secy. of Communist Party: =A0 Madhav Kumar Nepal =A0 His Excellency (HE) Mr. Madhav Kumar Nepal =A0 General Secretary Nepal Communist Party =A0 Kathmandu, Nepal US Ambassador to Nepal: =A0 HE Mr. Ralph Frank =A0 US Embassy =A0 PO Box 295 =A0 Panipokhari,Kathmandu, Nepal =A0 Tel : 977 1 411613, 411179, 412718, 413661 =A0 Fax :=A0 977 1 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:07:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: { brad brace } Subject: 12hr update In-Reply-To: <200408100406.i7A458ll009453@ultra6.eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _ |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<< "... easily the most venerable net-art project of all time." _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| _| |__) | __ ___ _ ___ ___| |_ |_ ___/ '__/ _ \| |/ _ \/ __| __| |_| _ |_| \___/| |\___|\___|\__| _ _/ | _ |__/ > > > > Synopsis: The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project began December 30, 1994. A `round-the-clock posting of sequenced hypermodern imagery from Brad Brace. The hypermodern minimizes the familiar, the known, the recognizable; it suspends identity, relations and history. This discourse, far from determining the locus in which it speaks, is avoiding the ground on which it could find support. It is trying to operate a decentering that leaves no privilege to any center. The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... [ see http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/books.txt ] KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-four years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for more than 12 years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour posting is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $5/mo $50/yr. Art-institutions must pay for any images retained longer than 12 hours. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/pictures -faq.html] -- (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:21:37 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Roger Day Subject: Re: "text" question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice idea about the screens - except that the original interfaces were punch-cards and print-outs were, for a long time, the only means by which you studied a program. Most screen-based editors were of the single-line variety like ed and even if you used something like TPU on VAXen or vi on UNIXen, the screens (mostly VT100s or even VT320a) were too small to actually see much on. From the online meriam-websters: 5 a : the words of something (as a poem) set to music b : matter chiefly in the form of words that is treated as data for processing by computerized equipment 6 : a type suitable for printing running text So, although I can't come up with any conclusive proof that the original greybeards used it in the sense that you do,neither can I conclusively (if you can use such a phrase in etymology) find evidence that supports your assertion, although it certainly is pretty. I think that the term "text" was in usage in the computer industry long before the mid-eighties. The term "text editor" was in usage far before I started work in the industry. Roger Stephen Vincent cc: Sent by: UB Poetics Subject: Re: "text" question discussion group 09/08/2004 19:20 Please respond to UB Poetics discussion group Somewhere back there in Grenier "I hate speech" time (197_)- or whatever he said to dispossess "voice" based poetry, the word "text" became authorized as primary to language making (throwing person/voice centered poems into the dustbin of l'histoire). The French folks obviously providing a supporting "text centered" role here. Inevitably, like most extreme exclusionary acts, this one, too, would crumble, but not without having some obviously healthy impacts on shaking up the 'lit' landscape. But "text" also became central operating word in the new hegemony of the computer. Engineers who perhaps never read a spec of much in the way of poetry or other literature were constantly speaking of and feeding in "lines of text" for x, y or z program. In the context of the pixilated screen - those little loom-like squares - I always assumed the word "text" was used in its original Greek sense as into "weave" - as one keyboarded in one letter after another: the screen displaying a "text", or, in the Greek translation, a weaving. It is ironic that "text books" - especially in the heyday of "Great Books" - were always considered second class in relationship to "primary sources." As if textbooks were a diminishment or dilution or only a fractional representation of the "real" or authentic text. In vernacular (secular) English, I suspect - the fundamentalists and academic usage notwithstanding - "text" always seems privileged or off to the side of "real life." Tho, ironically, it's "text" in the law, insurance forms, etc., etc. that is most likely to do one in - we are constantly reminded - if you don't pay attention "to the small print." I suspect the swing back and forth between the centrality of voice and that of text is as old in this country as Cotton Mather translating English Sermons back into Latin while he listened to them in Church. Or the confusion thereof: George Bush disguises himself as vernacular folk while actually seeing himself as a channel for the Almighty's Biblical text. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > Remember Creeley & Monsieur Texte? (I'm away from all my own texts, so maybe > somebody else can supply a citation) > > I used to hear a radio preacher when I was young who was fond of saying, "I > take > my text and I take my time," a line I have stolen often -- > > but come on -- it has never been unusual to hear anybody refer to a string of > printed matter as "text" (or, I should say, never in my life time) -- I was > always seeing lines that sent me "the text printed below" etc. -- call me a > protestant, but this is a long-standing usage -- what changed in the 70s was > that it acquired a certain additional tonality among scholars of lit. -- but > it > wasn't a shift from "book" to "text" or from "work" to "text" that accounts > for > the broadening of types of text under discussion -- there were "always > already" > (a phrase, by the way, we can find John Dewey using long before anybody was > deconstructing anything) books that some profs considered beneath > consideration > and calling them texts didn't make the struggle any easier -- > > rather like the narrowing of the word "literature" over time -- the older > meaning is still very much alive, as you'll witness whenever an insurance > sales > person offers to leave some of their "literature" -- it would be nice if they > meant an artistic text of some sort, but they don't-- and they'd be as > surprised if you expected them to leave you an epic as most of my students are > surprised to learn that "literature" can include the stuff they read outside > of > their courses -- > > On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:35:34 +0000, Stephen Baraban wrote: > >> Aldon, >> >> You are saying, then, that professors of religion and >> ministers you knew tended to refer to ANY book or poem >> as a "text"? If so, this is quite intriguing, but I >> guess a very natural extension of utterances like >> "this sermon is a based on a text from Isiah". >> >> I remember being stuck by Robert Creeley in class in >> the 70s saying firmly "OK let's return to the >> text"--senses of the word "text" from church services >> of his youth were presumably mingling with new >> post-/post- usages he was reading about. >> >> --- ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: >> >>> I can't pin it to an exact date, but gawd -- these >>> goes WAAAAAYYY back -- long >>> before post-structuralism or post anything else -- >>> professors of religion were >>> using this term in this way (as did even evangelical >>> ministers) when I was a >>> small child -- >>> >>> On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 03:19:48 +0000, Tim Peterson >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have a question...the answer's probably so >>> obvious I'm going to be kicking >>>> myself later... >>>> >>>> Can anyone remember when and why the word "text" >>> (as opposed to "book" or >>>> "poem") first became fashionable in American >>> academic discourse? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> "Breaking in bright >>> Orthography . . ." >>> --Emily >>> Dickinson >>> >>> >>> Aldon L. Nielsen >>> Kelly Professor of American Literature >>> The Pennsylvania State University >>> 116 Burrowes >>> University Park, PA 16802-6200 >>> >>> (814) 865-0091 >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >> http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail >> >> > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > "Breaking in bright Orthography . . ." > --Emily Dickinson > > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:25:19 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Untitled (stories of dead ends #005) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I was naive enough to believe various times, but as fascinated To: dolmensniper@free.fr Subject: error a lover lover lover lover lover lover lover won't come back to me 01) unknown - can create pleasure and pain letter arrived yesterday old photograph found between the pages of an artbook reading on the verso "et beaucoup plus encore..." from her hand, her black velvet ink, but nothing anymore nothing will happen I I don't I don't anymore I don't exist anymore vernacular (secular) mater dolorosa like a underground mall made in the waking database compiles in Paris before as an interaction what do y'all think????? I'd have to put down the camcorder face a tough choice toward the night skies above, regarding the velvet ink resplendent Tortured are her slaves in a nice and sinister purpose Occupation: Eternelle amateur Nom réel: Lieu: Âge: You cannot reach the person stop at nothing? stop at nothing? stop at nothing? miracle should be lived as such than pain-filled ones) It is not poetry (I hate love) It is my fuckin shitty life ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:51:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: NEW YORK CITY: Poetry and the Republican National Convention Comments: To: writenet@twc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mouths Wide Open: Poets Reading in Horrified Anticipation of the RNC Saturday August 21st at 7:30 p.m.: FREE! at Washington Square Church 135 West 4th Street (6th Ave. & MacDougal) West 4th Street stop on the A, C, E, F, V, D, B Featuring Michael Lally (author of It's Not Nostalgia), Bob Holman (author of The Collect Call of the Wild and director of the Bowery Poetry Club), Ange Mlinko (author of Matinees), Hal Sirowitz (author of Mother Said and Father Said) Tonya Foster (poet and co-editor of Third Mind), Lydia Cortes (author of Lust for Lust) and others. MC'd by Daniel Kane. After the reading, pick up your free "No RNC" activist gift bag, which includes protest schedules and a pocket-sized copy of the Constitution and Bill of Rights … just in case … ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:03:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: JT Chan Subject: new issue of zine MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii poetrysz:demystifying mental illness has a new issue out. check it out at http://www.poetrysz.net. thanks. the editor __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:09:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: a delayed response to post 9/11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Impire i. from the people in your wake which brings shame its page points & to a previous math while you wait which is sameness & hindrance kindle an early aversion to worm would you be so gentle in weightless hindsight stack of skin joints of kindred warm-long lineage a message which is something subject to blow you aware of a kindred version of worthiness & worthless weight of a good hurt a good whole seven day’s awareness wore sorrowful pullovers augured by way of grand Diana’s delicates some student morsel agrarian heart which left a glyph after all a kind sift & tuft sent millions a way by fragrance by seedless whiff of deforestation a mirth borrowed & a good shirt wears glances subtle canons gently by glowing away the hegemony ii. a response the eye moves, and with it, place, becomes non-place and the eye, with it, becomes blind, a fatal inward, placated field called Inverness, I, a measure of incomplete, have nothing to be measured against, rest assured its distance to horizon is never unique, her eyes, made of what is still left to think, looks the sacred still, the marriage is left assisting sausages, afterimage, unnerving Nirvana in a cotton ball, nursing my family's cuttlebone out of focus, there, fathom into frame, flame delay, each word became an unyielding display of worry, and sorrow? divine a yen into pencil and splendor by suckling yardstick back to garage sale, dilemma glorified? God in Delaware? ten Yemeni, still sacred, imagine who may still be left to thank his immanency back to illiteracy -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as an extra 20MB for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:14:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Walking Theory #67 - 70 Comments: cc: shanna compton , Christine Murray , Mary Burger Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Walking Theory #67 - #70 - Diverse, some comic. Appreciate your reflections back. Thanks, Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com from Walking Theory #70 ...The scope of healing versus war The official restoration of the death penalty in Iraq The joke with which some nail and mark the language In the coffee shop the young woman with short cropped, auburn hair Gold chain threaded in links around her wide, freckled throat Over bagel, cream cheese, purple and silver onion, Sliced, a red tomato. She tells me something, I forget. Sometimes the visual sacrifices the voice The tangible the much more definite calling. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Letter from Nancy Dawson H. Benjamin Casson Q.C (AB) Acting Police Complaint Commissioner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit REMEMBER ANTHANY JAMES DAWSON 11 Aug WEdnESday http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/28834.php Letter from Nancy Dawson H. Benjamin Casson Q.C (AB) Concerning James Anthany Dawson: We conclude that: 1. Racism is a factor in my sons' death; 2. There is an attempt at a cover-up; 3. The Coroner's Inquest did not allow for public exposure to the circumstances preceding Anthany's death and did not provide an unrestricted opportunity for interested parties to elicit any evidence of misconduct on the part of members of the Victoria Police Department. 4. Considered as a whole, the evidence of witnesses as to their observations of events involving member of the Victoria Police Department and Anthany Dawson,... Letter from Nancy Dawson to: H. Benjamin Casson Q.C (AB) Acting Police Complaint Commissioner Mr. Casson: Re: File: OPCC 0681 Request for Public Hearing Re: Death of Anthany Dawson I have received a copy of your letter dated August 28, 2002 addressed to my lawyer, Adrian Brooks. I must say that I am very disappointed. I did have high hopes that perhaps the old boys club would have been set aside and that each case would be reviewed in detail. I ask you to review my sons' file again and to allow us to have a public hearing. The following are a few of the reasons: In your letter to Mr. Brooks, you state that there will be no public hearing for my sons' death. You state that "In reviewing the files, I concentrated on two information sources i.e., the Investigation Report by the Victoria Major Crime Unit of the R.C.M.P. and the transcripts of proceedings before the Regional Coroner. " In reviewing these two files you must have come across the fact that the R.C.M.P. officer that was conducting the investigation was denied the right to interview the Victoria City police officers involved in the death of my son. You went on to say: "In the transcripts, I focused on the testimony of witnesses who observed events involving members of the Victoria City Department and Anthany Dawson which occurred on August 11, 1999." You will then recall that one of the witnesses had stated that Anthany was punched so hard by one of the police officers that it sickened her. You will also recall that eight witnesses, with no motive to lie, give their version and a police officer with a motive to lie denying the witnesses statements. How can we have faith in a process that will attempt to sweep the witnesses statements under the rug and cling to the police statements? Where is the equality? You then went on to state: "In reaching my conclusions in this matter, I posed, for myself, four questions: 1. Is there any information or evidence to suggest that a member or members of the Victoria Police Department exhibited, or were motivated by, racist attitudes toward Anthany Dawson? We contend that there is and as we were assured at the Inquest, all of our questions and concerns in that matter would be raised in a public hearing. We were told that a public hearing was the proper arena in which to shed more light on this subject as the inquest was not the proper arena in which to discuss this. 2. Is there any information or evidence to suggest that the Victoria Police Department or the investigators who prepared the Investigation Report by the Victoria Major Crimes Section, through their investigations into this matter, attempted to cover-up events in order to avoid placing blame on members of the Victoria Police Department? We contend that there is such evidence. To name only a few areas, I bring your attention to the "Critical Incident Report" that should have been filed upon the death of my son by the police officers involved. Not only was this not done, but the police lawyers made absolutely no reference to this report at all and left it up to the public (through our lawyer) to come across this report. Even when this report was named at the inquest, the police lawyers attempted to downplay its importance by stating that it is under review, making no reference to the fact, that while it may be under review, that such a report was to have been filed. Why was this information not offered? Another point is that of the handcuffs: Each and every police officer stated that they could not clearly state whose handcuffs were placed on Anthany as they were all the same. Yet the public, (through our lawyer) had to wade through more cover-up maze to discover that indeed, all police handcuffs have serial numbers on them in order to identify whose handcuffs were used. Why was this information not offered? Why did the police make no attempt to locate witnesses despite being informed of my sons' death? The R.C.M.P. Special Investigation Unit issued a report finding no fault with the Victoria City Police Officers involved in the death of my son. This report was plastered all throughout the media, but never once did that Investigator offer the information that he was denied the right to interview the police officers in question. How can you do an Independent Thorough Investigation, if you cannot interview the people involved? 3. Did the Coroners' Inquest provide a reasonable and unrestricted opportunity for the Regional Coroner, the Coroner's Jury, Counsel for the Regional Coroner and interested parties (through Counsel) to adduce and test evidence particularly as it related to events involving members of the Victoria Police Department and Anthany Dawson? We vehemently contend that it did not. Many, many, questions that our lawyer raised in trying to determine what happened to my son were met with responses either by the Coroner stating that the Inquest was not the proper arena to ask those questions; or by the police lawyers advising the Coroner that our lawyers' questions would be better answered at a Public Hearing. The Inquest raised more questions and did not answer any of the questions we originally had. 4. If the Coroner's Inquest did provide that opportunity, did the evidence as to the conduct of members of the Victoria Police Department, taken as a whole, indicate misconduct to justify ordering a public hearing? The Coroner's Inquest did not provide a level opportunity to have our questions answered, rather, it uncovered even more questions of a cover up and racist actions. We conclude that: 1. Racism is a factor in my sons' death; 2. There is an attempt at a cover-up; 3. The Coroner's Inquest did not allow for public exposure to the circumstances preceding Anthany's death and did not provide an unrestricted opportunity for interested parties to elicit any evidence of misconduct on the part of members of the Victoria Police Department. 4. Considered as a whole, the evidence of witnesses as to their observations of events involving member of the Victoria Police Department and Anthany Dawson, along with the Victoria Police Department's attempt to cover up the Critical Incident Report; and the handcuffs, to name only a few does indeed justify the need for a public hearing. You are in a tough position sir, you must keep your colleagues in mind, and you must weigh the reports that you are given. We are asking for a public hearing into the death of Anthany Dawson on August 11, 1999 in Victoria, B.C. This is a subject that no police department wants to address, but if we don't we will only ensure that this type of mistreatment will carry on. The entire theory of these procedures is to have a completely open process, but we are far from that. I ask again that you review the entire case and that you call for a public hearing. As Sergeant Batershill has taken it upon himself to issue unsolicited public statements about welcoming the civil suit, I have no choice but to copy this letter to the media. Yours truly, Nancy Dawson Anthany Dawson's Mother Cc: Media http://www.cashsave.com/islandnative/roseh.htm ANTHANY DAWSON FACT SHEET - Rose Henry August 2002: http://www.cashsave.com/islandnative/antdawb.htm http://www.cashsave.com/islandnative/antdaw2a.htm __\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:57:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: SEXVIDEO collapse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed SEXVIDEO collapse oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooVoIoEoWoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo esqf9G CoCBlAoa 07r q1H Ggx eA 6s a1FGwp7 y4EdlDsq x6HCeF qu0pl6 fyHpqlIs w6GAg47q Gt6 tel xkq 79E fr vlutflqB tGq1wCeF wxCbwFA5 89C303Eq by4 Cg8 ys 8azl18 a6z Byr oD 4r xb2B DG eGa6 HlFb trI 9st 3Ev 46 EIB7pd vg t1 k3 Cd uwq eI qwD k8e bzv sAEH2g wygIdeEE sdEH l6c xEg rq tu Gd Er6wa3fw lo 94 yq2D1g l80vgI AyfslcDe skc3 bgc Ev4 s4 7y pE ClzuBzbs Bg vd I7tCzu pwwwo pz tkbA p11Ed d6 al wC pg Cb aI 8f6B2 Gkx CE ff7p7H G1dlA t0 G0 t6w ba xue dDE GI5 1v9 k6w eu 4792xd aru7z BH Br zdxB Ay Cu6u A088 FA9 fIe grIf209z z8b1rd14 Beq C28 kycb9 F4 e7At7dek 5AkHB3CE fbIe5IFd Ad03u8xD E6atd1 kqpkbxg2 zr8 ryx 3ec uF soe04Af 5zoevk04 d7k1Ca x0k5Cv =============================V=I=E=W============================= W has disappeared. It's storming out - unbelievable fury out there - shouldn't finish this - would there be more? Thunder's stuttering - unbearable violence - natural slaughter - "I wouldn't want to be out in this storm" - lightning's strong enough to read by - UPS holding nicely - in Pennsylvania, home of Thor - hope you like "what I've been able to do in such brief time" - honestly I would have worked more on this - can hardly hear myself think - lightning's just about on top of me - no, this won't end with the false strike - I'm just protecting the machinery - "it's my dad's machine" - ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:30:03 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: repost: Zionism and Spam Attacks: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I post this, as well as, the "Zionism and the Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation" article because we have seen a trend and harsh attack -- via the net and physical assaults of various special interests groups out to pull a COINTELPRO bombardment of the peoples with ignorance, as well as arms ment to kill -- in the end they are so self absorbed in hate and greed that these stumbling people see not the ignorance they display to the world and how completely unattractive they appear to the presesnt generation; that they see the solution to the situation not via Freedome Justice Equality B.U.T. in tyranny and might makes right tactics of fear to maintain their power and desires over an opressed people. It is a sad situation to live in a time inwhich we see this sociopathic behavior at large and well armed, B.U.T. it is a reality inwhich we must struggle (jihad -- theTRu meaning of jihad-- which is struggle and not war) for TRU freedome. ...and an outer struggle begins with an inner struggle As our peoples are being assaulted and bullied physically with bombs and shelling and radiations poisoning, as well as, rapes and disease, we are being attacked by the pen and the net and in public with harsh words cruelity and dumb founding callousness. ...and it makes us afraid cuz we live among these people -- it' like discovering that you have walked into nieghbourhood of serial killers and vampires who consider such conduct as normal and civilized. All our morality has been turned round. Killing the poor is good and so is greed as is mass murder. ...and belief in kindness courtesy and compassion is considered foolish. TO be loyal and ethical is something for fools, so we are told. ...and all our passion can be wiped away with a "hit and run" quip and cyber smirk and lowbrow joke to make the bored romans seated in the arena giggle -- we are told today that this is courage. ...B.U.T. what about the thousands dead in Iraq? what about the murder of our native bredden (which our so called 'activist' and 'anarchist' remain impotent in their "activISM' to address)? what about the killing of the poor in British Columbia by the jakes? what about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the ever growing middle-east and the whitemail and harassement by north amerikkkan zionist that we should say nothing about it? what about the gentrification of our hoods? what about using the poor as babymaking machines? what about the left so called activists, who act just like the aryan nation, only they hide behind privialge, white feminism, the gaygousie, consume tofu and claim a safe cause celeb to attack all the samo niggers that the powers have always attacked? What all the supremacy of the great white north who when confronted or criticized are the first to holla "racism"? as they call a kkkop gang to kill the niggers and the natives and poor? ...again - what about Anthany James Dawson (11 Aug 99)? Gerald Kaboni, Frank Paul? Jeff Berg and the countless others and the daily deaths of our shahada/our martrys? in this the ethnic, cultural and economic cleansing in the western puscht for power and property. ...diaries in New Palestine I really didn't think that my community within Victoria, BC was very important, to the world, except to me B.U.T. I am seeing that we have become the focus of these assaults like those IMC and dissidents in larger more well known cities. I fear that I might fail my community of New Palestine/The Hood/Fernwood -- for I am not a particularly strong man nor am I perfect, not am I all that brave -- however, I do try and believe in things (which I see one tactic of the enemy is to humilate those beliefs and destroy the believers) and I do feel the words of Khadijah McCall, Malik el Shabazz, Imam Ali, Rose Henry, Gil Scott Heron (who I learn more from than all the suits who claim civility) and because of bruh Solomon Cobbs and abdul-Rahman, I have come to again appreciate the WISE DOME of Hon Min Elijah Muhammed -- who has been greatly left unappreciated due to the over shadowing of his articulate followers -- some of whom being Malik to Farrakhan to Khalif Muhammad and gladly so forth -- so it is important as is taught by wise men of many beliefs and of ISlam that we must fight with the tools appropriate to the battle -- for we should sink to the low levels of the snakes/bullies/tyrannts we wish to combat we would have failed. We are been taught mercy, compassion, kindness and not go up against peoples who are unready/unfit for combat or to use WMD (Weapons of Mass Destruction or DIStraction) against children and against men and women with rocks and baseball bats or what likkle arms they can scrape together to keep the Culture and maintain Freedome Justice Equality. When we fight it is not to conquer B.U.T. to regain the meaning lost in translation to an "openning". We must all do are part in every sector, block and every ghetto, and every hood and city and country to keep Freedome Justice Equality -- to "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" is It is import, my peoples (nas), that we are aware of the tactics used to destroy us, turn each against each one and/or offer us DIS in the formation of fake Knowledge. These are scarey times and our enemies are very few B.U.T. very well armed with physical weapons and our enemies are free with threats because they are cowards well armed and ready to take out as many of us possible until they runout of arms and scrilla. Then only the TRU and the Brave will be steady in our our inner and outer struggle against the injustice. peace to Anthany James Dawson and all the loved ones who have fallen and who still believe in Freedome Justice Equality 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC "Forty-four years ago, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad said to me, "Brother Farrakhan, you cannot fathom the depth of Satan." Those of us who can't think like that would never believe that a human being was capable of planning the deaths of innocent people to further a political and an economic objective. ...Now, they are saying that President George W. Bush is the greatest friend that Israel has had of any president in this country. Well, if George W. Bush is their greatest friend, then how can he be an honest broker in a search for peace?" --Hon Mins Farrakhan Imam Amir al-mu'minin (A.S) said: People are enemies of what they do not know "Revolution is bloody,revolution is hostile,revolution knows no compromise,revolution overturns and destroys everything that gets in its way. And you, sitting around here like a knot on the wall, saying:'I 'm going to love these folks no matter how much they hate me.'No,you need a revolution." --Malik Shabaaz;Message to the Grass Roots "If you avoid breaking laws and do what you're told and ignore the poor, the oppressed and the downtrodden - you probably won't be bothered. If you try to right what is wrong, however, you will surely meet great opposition and run the risk of imprisonment or death." --- a message from leonard peltier Mysterious Death of Native Artist: Anthany Dawson http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/24950.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/28178.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/27436.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739.php http://resist.ca/story/2004/6/26/11430/2391 ANTHANY DAWSON FACT SHEET - Rose Henry August 2002 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/20251.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/28854.php For Anthany Dawson, Gerald Kaboni, Anthany Grtiffith, Shidane Abukar Arone and all the Shahadat http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/28854.php repost: Zionism and Spam Attacks: by Ytzhak . Tuesday August 10, 2004 at 10:40 PM montfu65@hotmail.com We here at Vancouver Indymedia have had to hide dozens of spam postings by Zionists over the past 24 yours. Zionists are repeat posting the same content - in some cases massive photo compilations, in other cases foolish cartoons, in others lengthy articles, in order to try to interfere with this site, and to try to get their message across. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/117963.php Spam Attacks: Editor Speaks out by Collector . Saturday March 20, 2004 at 05:26 AM Hope the Editor doesn't mind the repost of his/her comments, but I felt it was best to combine those from the two threads about the attacks on VanIndy. You're right, it's ridiculous by editor . Friday March 19, 2004 at 11:37 AM We here at Vancouver Indymedia have had to hide dozens of spam postings by Zionists over the past 24 yours. Zionists are repeat posting the same content - in some cases massive photo compilations, in other cases foolish cartoons, in others lengthy articles, in order to try to interfere with this site, and to try to get their message across. Please take my advise and use words, instead of these childish tactics, to try to convince others of your position. Your disruptive behaviour earns you nothing but enmity from the users of this site, and damages your cause. It does not help. Spell out your position clearly in words and try to respect others. That goes for people on both sides of all contentious debates. I know that emotions run high on these issues, and that these are life and death issues. But we must behave in a civilised way if we are going to work towards better understanding and cooperation in this world. Thanks. Answer to gehrig's question by editor . Friday March 19, 2004 at 12:22 PM I, who am but one of over a dozen editors here, have edited over 50,000 articles and 200,000 comments on this site over the past three years. I know very well exactly who is posting what and why. The patterns, methods, perspectives and incentives are very transparent to me. Yes, 99% of the problems of the kind described above are Zionists who are very upset by the content of some of the comments and articles posted on this site by its users. This content is admissible according to this site's editorial policy, but not admissible by the standards of these few ultra excitable and conservative Zionists. There are no neo-nazis in the Vancouver Indymedia editorial collective, I assure you. We all believe in freedom of speech, and full compliance with Canada's hate speech legislation. This, in conjunction with the mission of this site, accounts for our editorial policy, and should not be interpreted to imply any bias in our personal political philosophy being interjected into the site. No one that I have met at Indymedia or any of dozens of other civil society groups in Vancouver harbors any ill will towards either Jews, Israelis, Zionists, Palestinians, or Muslims. Both Zionists and anti-Zionists, warmongers and peace activists are welcome to express sincere, reasoned perspectives on this site. Advocacy of or incitement to racial, national or religious discrimination, hatred and violence or persecution, however, is where we draw the line. Zionist information terrorists spamming this site again by editor . Saturday March 20, 2004 at 12:58 AM Would the Zionist fanatic who keeps posting the silly "Punk Alien" garbage on our site please cease and desist. If this keeps up we may be forced to ban the participation of all Zionists from this site, since a few of them seem to be incapable of behaving in a civilised fashion. Thank you. If some of the resident Zionists would kindly contact your command post, we here at Vancouver Indymedia would be most obliged. If you can't control your operatives, we will not be able to continue tolerating your participation in discussions on this site. I suggest that your cult programming should be expanded to include basic manners, civility and respect for modern conventions of civilised behavior, like tolerance of different viewpoints, restrain from calls for genocidal extermination of non-Jews, and freedom of speech. Three types of malicious info terrorists by editor . Saturday March 20, 2004 at 01:38 AM In three years volunteer editing this site, I have observed the following. 99% of the time, everyone behaves reasonably well. However, every once in a while one of three groups acts up and tries to sabotage or destroy the effectiveness of the site. 1) Sneering, arrogant, cynical, sarcastic, contemptuous neoconservative warmongering fanatics who worship multinational corporations, Milton Friedman economics, and the permanent war economy. 2) Dopy, devoted, Christian fundamentalists who think that George W Bush is the return of Christ. 3) Ultra conservative Zionist fanatics. Not once, to my memory, has even one neo-Nazi, Muslim, Palestinian, Arab, environmentalist, peace activist, unitarian, Iraqi, native American Indian, street youth, squeegy person, or drug addict ever abused the open publishing system to maliciously try to destroy this site and disparage the community it serves. I know this particular spammer by editor . Saturday March 20, 2004 at 02:21 AM I have personally hidden several thousand of his spams from this site over the past six months, which has consumed a considerable amount of my valuable time. I know his psychology very well. He is an angry, fanatical Zionist zealot who is trying to punish this site for hosting articles critical of his "homeland" and object of idolatrous worship Yes, the techies are working on this side of the soluton by editor . Saturday March 20, 2004 at 02:52 AM Thank you for your suggestions. They are very good. We have been discussing such things for a long time, but had hoped that the need would not occur. But the situation has gradually deteriorated to the point where the kind of measures you suggested are definitely necessitated. Regarding the identification of the seeming group affiliation and motive of the spammer, the reason that I am sharing this information is so that we are not naive or assigning blame to the wrong source, and that we are all aware of not only the technical dimension of the problem, but the sociological dimension as well. After all, it is worthy of note that it is essentially only one person who is seemingly driving a major technological remedy (or set of remedies) which could significantly impact the user friendliness of this site. I believe that it is highly instructive to be aware of the precise source of the problems that this site, and those like it, are facing. Some Zionists, in my experience, and only Zionists, are incredibly arrogantly and self-righteously predisposed to demand that the content of all media be forced to conform to their very peculiar standards and interpretations, and are seemingly willing to pursue virtually any means, sometimes even including violent acts towards people and property, to enforce their authoritarian dictates where they have absolutely no legitimacy to do so. These fanatical Zionists who relegate to themselves the role of "thought police" are also very litigous, as well as being technically astute. These kinds of tendencies, when combined with extremist ideological fanatism, produce extremely dangerous behaviour which I believe that all people have a right to be made aware of in order to protect themselves from the threats which they pose to freedom of speech, belief and artistic expression. Field Guide To Zionist Propaganda: http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/28174.php More On Zionist Deception & Tactics: http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/114894.php http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/03/117963.php ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:47:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: SEXVIDEO collapse MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooviewooooooooooooooooooooolate ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 03:14:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: why not MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit beached 2 - for H.N. (weapons of mass production ) 1st time on B right On in a yr 50plus infinite sojourns reconstruction still as in all over B.B.Baths long gone bay 1 still thinks its young carefree plays among the litter corn cobs & plastic not good enough to be called garbage the hammering on girders creaking of the crane music wind & ocean music helicopter music "my god" clouds & sun pacing back & forth in the sky because they are harsh to us we turn against our allies because they are harsh to us we kill their sons & daughters because they are harsh to us we loot their national treasures because they are harsh to us we silence all their voices because they are harsh to us we set up puppet governments because they are harsh to us we make them a "democracy" because they are harsh to us we fill them up with fast foods because they are harsh to us we steal their natural resources because they are harsh to us we incorporate their hearts & souls because they are harsh to us we turn them into factories the clouds dominate the sky today the waves crash violently upon this usually calm shore my shoulders & chest convulse w/shivers my teeth chatter my bloodless fingers go stiff & numb as my cheeks become warm & red the gulls are beginning to circle only a few children & old men are brave enough to swim at this hr the hammering has stopped the girders silenced the crane still creaking in the wind helicopters still on patrol the music's turned nasty like the weather as the water reaches my feet i feel a heat within the undercurrent like a comforter a message from hell because they are harsh to us....... because they are harsh to us....... the sailboat beyond the rocks seems so relaxed the white of its sail so still you'd never know there was a wind 3 children run from the ocean the oldest ( a girl ) waving something chanting "i found a dollar --- i found a dollar" & she had in the water among the waves the waves the waves.....the last place you expect to find C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-M the waves ..... because they are harsh to us we destroy them then defend them we befriend them then destroy them then we fold up our blankets & go home because they are harsh to us we are harsh to them because we are harsh to them they are harsh to us steve dalachinsky brighton beach brooklyn ny 8/9/04 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:11:05 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mornin' dawn..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:30:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: radio show In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Catherine Daly on Andy Jones' Poetry and Technology Radio show today (August 11) and 5 pm PST: http://www.culturelover.com/ KDVS 90.3 online at http://www.culturelover.com/listen.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:32:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: To Ishaq In-Reply-To: <4119CAFB.4090505@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I wanted to stay away from criticising anyone's politics during my first months or even my first year on this list, but how can you post something where it says that "harsh words" from opponents are reprehensible and yet which refers to antagonists as "serial killers" "vampires" "snakes" "bullies" "tyrannts" (sic). Don't insult people's intelligence. And if as what you've posted says "jihad" to the community you represent is "struggle and not war" what is this Malik Shabbaz quote you always use as one of your tags about "revolution ïs bloody, revolution is hostile". Now surely one can find honorable aspects in the history of "bloody" revoltion, but don't you think some of us know who Malik Shabbaz is, the man who said for instance": (now the source where I found this just now is an ADL site, but I hope you won't quibble about that, because this was widely reported in newspapers in 1994): As a warm-up speaker for Khalid Abdul Muhammad at Howard University (February 1994): Shabazz: Who is it that caught and killed Nat Turner? Audience: Jews! Shabazz: Who is that controls the Federal Reserve? Audience: Jews! (faintly) Shabazz: What? You're not scared, are you? Audience: Jews! Jews! Shabazz: Who is it that controls the media and Hollywood? Audience: Jews! Jews! Shabazz: Who is it that has our entertainers…and our athletes in a vise grip? Audience: Jews! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:17:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: a good book Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed oops I meant a good text or a good CD or some good words... I guess I have been reading too much Derrida. I recomend Liquid Swords by GZA Genius to any wanna be scholar who thinks they know Hip Hop... sometimes lyrics are about things you don't understand, so don't pretend too. Sometimes people just speak, and the truth of Liquid Swords is very profound. Peace, A good line that would help explain the entire album is "The life of a drug dealer." I would assume that Wu_Tang clan had to run the streets to finance their albums, and people like that never forget where they are from. The hood? Don't guess, ask. Ian _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:11:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: To Ishaq Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Yes... but the spiritual justification for the Palestinians fight against Isreal is "jihad" as in the struggle for life. The politics of Islam are more complicated than any westerner could understand. The jihad of the Palestinians is probably not connected to Al-Queda... in other words, it doesn't have to be. The problem is the united states and its ignorance... jihad is a universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam. That is probably why everyone and their brother or sister did not condone 911 no matter what the reasons because it was against the spirit of Islam, even though it is carrying its name. However, EVERYONE recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for some rich Jews in NY. As for Ishaq, does anyone remember the label "Domestic Terrorist" that was created by the Patriot Act? If a person is labeled as a domestic terrorist then their entire life is fair game, and one can be labeled as a domestic terrorist for speaking... I suggest you re read the Patriot Act, this time with your eyes open real wide. Homeland Security is already in place and is working non stop against all threats to the United States Government, and I would assume that also includes revolutionaries. It's funny how a caucasion revolutionary walked through every neighborhood in Albany and was NEVER robbed, attacked, or even threatened by people. This time CointelPro is deep. I am a Roman Catholic who has been studying Islam via Thomas Merton, who took spiritual practices from Sufism and felt that Islam was the exact same Christianity and that the only difference is the treatment of Jesus Christ (the Koran reconizes Jesus). Politics are always connected with spiritual practices (guess what? there never was a seperation between church and state... only on paper) & those who recognize the truth and speak it will always face hardships. I would not consider Ishaq's email unreasonable... the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY Albany). Think twice though, because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what! Ian VanHeusen _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:53:18 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_homage_=E0_dubuffet?= In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I sort of put everything together, respected the order till a point and then let things go as they wished, have a look: Euridice - Dubuffet Didn't we play with light feathered arrows after our erosive labor earth-breath pounding earth-bread in our earth-mouths with mud in an enpebbled concrete text reflecting shadows' fever-pulses beating beat again in a furtive concert come back, my air flower behind the forbidden curtain as when through the mental staircase I could see you, the leopardy patina or brutal d=E9cor could not camouflage you ricocheted as an echo in the gaps of the text of the missing and we bathed down with the shadows Euridice devastated in waters, we rocked her decrepit role and let her out, nude air she was geo-embodied in the light brief sight within her new life cycle and hid our secret up-standings into wrinkled elements. All in a-tremble, among vivid stone-laces, earthly embroidered, caught in vestiges and conjugated to scorcheries in a futuristic violet dynamism following a secret calendar she touched the cloudy text in silver-flat readings foaming bed of appeasement for her nights by the underground theater of our imagining a festival of celestial earth for her: Euridice, earthed again onto the surface=20 Anny Ballardini http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:12:25 -0500, Maria Damon wrote: > hi all here are some of my translations of titles of d's lithographs > that i saw at the asger jorn museum in silkeborg. do you-all want to > write short poems using one or more of the titles as your own? to > compile an homage? >=20 > some of the translations are made up, some literal, most somewhat > tweaked --are: >=20 > 1. lightfeather arrows > 2. the erosive labor > 3. earth-breath > 4. earth-bread > 5. enpebbled text > 6. shadows' fever-pulse > 7. furtive concert > 8. air-flower > 9. forbidden curtain > 10. leopardy patina > 11. brutal d=E9cor > 12. texty ricochet > 13. text of the missing ones > 14. shadow-bath > 15. devastated water/rocking shadows > 16. decrepit text > 17. nude air > 18. geo-bodied > 19. temporairie situation > 20. secret upstandings > 21. wrinkled elements > 22. text all a-tremble > 23. stone-lace > 24. vestigiary > 25. conjugaries > 26. scorchery > 27. cloudy text > 28. violet dynamism > 29. earth-embroidery > 30. silverflats reading > 31. secret calendar > 32. bed of appeasement > 33. nappy-earthed surface > 34. stone festival > 35. celestial earth > 36. underground theatre >=20 > -- >=20 > -- > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:55:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: To Ishaq In-Reply-To: <20040811143215.91814.qmail@web51904.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable huh? malik shabazz/malcolm x was long dead in 1994. At 7:32 AM -0700 8/11/04, Stephen Baraban wrote: >I wanted to stay away from criticising anyone's >politics during my first months or even my first year >on this list, but how can you post something where it >says that "harsh words" from opponents are >reprehensible and yet which refers to antagonists as >"serial killers" "vampires" "snakes" "bullies" >"tyrannts" (sic). Don't insult people's intelligence. > >And if as what you've posted says "jihad" to the >community you represent is "struggle and not war" what >is this Malik Shabbaz quote you always use as one of >your tags about "revolution =D4s bloody, revolution is >hostile". Now surely one can find honorable aspects >in the history of "bloody" revoltion, but don't you >think some of us know who Malik Shabbaz is, the man >who said for instance": (now the source where I found >this just now is an ADL site, but I hope you won't >quibble about that, because this was widely reported >in newspapers in 1994): > >As a warm-up speaker for Khalid Abdul Muhammad at >Howard University (February 1994): > >Shabazz: Who is it that caught and killed Nat Turner? >Audience: Jews! >Shabazz: Who is that controls the Federal Reserve? >Audience: Jews! (faintly) >Shabazz: What? You're not scared, are you? >Audience: Jews! Jews! >Shabazz: Who is it that controls the media and >Hollywood? >Audience: Jews! Jews! >Shabazz: Who is it that has our entertainers=D6and our >athletes in a vise grip? >Audience: Jews! > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail -- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:07:52 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brenda Coultas Subject: Letters from Citizen Kay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Kristin Prevallet send me this posting about her blog. I wanted to pass it on. Brenda Coultas Subj: Letters from Citizen Kay I've started a blog, it's called "Letters from Citizen Kay." I am going to attempt to write as many letters as I can per week pertaining to the issues of the day, as I see them. Here's the description: I've been writing a lot of letters to the government lately. But, since the government is busy, I keep on getting form letters (or no letters) in return. So, I decided to set up this blog to chronicle my letters and, hopefully, use it as an incentive to write even more letters. I'm just trying to stay informed, and to voice my opinions to the powers-that-be, rather than to just my friends, who are all on my side anyway. I hope to hear from some of you. http://kayletters.blogspot.com/ Letters written from Citizen Kay, week of August 1: Re: Richard Viguerie: I just don't understand the conservative platform. Re: "The Conservative Case Against GWB" (New York Press, Aug.4) Re: Hero's Syndrome? I feel for the poor man. Re: Bush is blocking lawsuits; yet Paxil causes suicide Thanks, kp ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:20:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Baraban Subject: Mea culpa In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maria, I was thinking of Malik Shabazz of the New Black Panther Party, who enunciated the text I quoted in 1994. Yes, Ishaq's quote is from Malcolm X, I have just discovered--from a speech in November 1963 critizing the non-violent Civil Rights movement. So that part of my post is really wack, with perhaps a partial excuse that Malcolm X called himself Al-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, so seeing the shortened Malik Shabazz didn't connect to him. But I apologise to you, Ishaq and all to have spread confusion and trouble in that portion of my remarks. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:03:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Looking for Ed Sanders fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi all, if you are a fan of Ed Sanders, and will be in New York City this coming Wed., Aug. 18, please backchannel me to editor@boogcity.com thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:19:00 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: I..Q Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian Van Huesen circuitous reasoning leaves me dizzy..o vertiginous day.. by the way..does anyone know the antonym..for rich jew...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:19:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: Opening "Michael Fried's Moments' Monuments" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MICHAEL FRIED’S MENZEL Make much use of the eye, illumination forces us to peer. Connection between them. His own hands and feet, extended somewhat behind him, larger than would be warranted by the laws of perception, foot, and in particular, the improbably raised big toe. Remarkably early gouaches intended to suggest. Evocation of entire realm of the subcutaneous. Dark paint running down rivulets starting to drop below the rim of the dish. Menzel’s corporeal realism reaches . . . Menzel’s oeuvre presents to us. Menzel’s Oeuvre. Menzel has depicted himself: empty right hand gesturing lyrical and corporeal images before us: _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:21:55 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: Re: To Ishaq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Add to that Ishaq's ever-amusing insistence that Zionists are spammers, and you quickly realize that his posts are easily discarded, with no fear of accidentally missing something important. Problem solved. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Baraban" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:32 AM Subject: To Ishaq > I wanted to stay away from criticising anyone's > politics during my first months or even my first year > on this list, but how can you post something where it > says that "harsh words" from opponents are > reprehensible and yet which refers to antagonists as > "serial killers" "vampires" "snakes" "bullies" > "tyrannts" (sic). Don't insult people's intelligence. > > And if as what you've posted says "jihad" to the > community you represent is "struggle and not war" what > is this Malik Shabbaz quote you always use as one of > your tags about "revolution ïs bloody, revolution is > hostile". Now surely one can find honorable aspects > in the history of "bloody" revoltion, but don't you > think some of us know who Malik Shabbaz is, the man > who said for instance": (now the source where I found > this just now is an ADL site, but I hope you won't > quibble about that, because this was widely reported > in newspapers in 1994): > > As a warm-up speaker for Khalid Abdul Muhammad at > Howard University (February 1994): > > Shabazz: Who is it that caught and killed Nat Turner? > Audience: Jews! > Shabazz: Who is that controls the Federal Reserve? > Audience: Jews! (faintly) > Shabazz: What? You're not scared, are you? > Audience: Jews! Jews! > Shabazz: Who is it that controls the media and > Hollywood? > Audience: Jews! Jews! > Shabazz: Who is it that has our entertainers.and our > athletes in a vise grip? > Audience: Jews! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:25:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Plaque commemorates US poet Pound MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3556300.stm US poet Ezra Pound was commemorated today with an English Heritage blue plaque outside the London house he lived in between 1909-1914. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:43:05 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: call for submissions by Vergin' Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for CD and/or DVD submissions of original poetry or music = performances and digital images of original artwork. Send artwork or = questions to gypsysubmissions@yahoo.com and CD and DVD submissions to = Gypsy/Vergin' Press, P.O. Box 370322, El Paso, TX 79930.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:24:27 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: Mea culpa Comments: To: stephen_baraban@YAHOO.COM In-Reply-To: <20040811162005.6524.qmail@web51905.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit peace Stephen Baraban wrote: >Maria, > >I was thinking of Malik Shabazz of the New Black >Panther Party, who enunciated the text I quoted in >1994. Yes, Ishaq's quote is from Malcolm X, I have >just discovered--from a speech in November 1963 >critizing the non-violent Civil Rights movement. So >that part of my post is really wack, with perhaps a >partial excuse that Malcolm X called himself Al-Hajj >Malik El-Shabazz, so seeing the shortened Malik >Shabazz didn't connect to him. But I apologise to >you, Ishaq and all to have spread confusion and >trouble in that portion of my remarks. > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > -- {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\cocoartf102 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset77 Helvetica;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;} \margl1440\margr1440\vieww9000\viewh9000\viewkind0 \pard\tx560\tx1120\tx1680\tx2240\tx2800\tx3360\tx3920\tx4480\tx5040\tx5600\tx6160\tx6720\ql\qnatural \cf0 \ \f0\fs24 --\ -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:30:11 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: a good book In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "have you ever read music or listened to a book" More at 7:30 by lawrence y braithwaite ***** Mr. Dadiers office was grey. Maybe a little pastel beige. It had a few paintings on the walls. They were of the non-threatening pasteral nature. The paintings were sceneries selected to calm the visiters. They never said anything about the man. What Mr Dadier’s likes or dislikes were of no consequence. It was all very threatening in a non-threatening manner. A social worker must be non-threating but accertive when issues arise. When decisions are made. Actually, Mr Dadier was a councillor but had had experience as a social worker until he applied for this position as a school councillor. Dadier had upgraded his eductaion with a few social studieds classes -- first at Camosun College and then later he recieved his degree at the University of Victoria. Montgomery’s mother had taken a trip to India earlier in the Fall. She does like to travel. However, she really isn’t offered the opertunity too often. She lives with her boyfriend and Montgermy in a house along Denman street. His mother said that his father lives on a hobby farm over on the mainland. Montgomery never met his father. He has a drinkin problem. Montgomery’s mother said that she was introduced to him at a party. He had gotten into trouble with the law soon after and had to spend sometime in prison. But his friends had made sure that she was never alone while his father went through the trial. However, with their misguided intentions, they made her feel almost responsible for the troubles Montgomery’s father was going through. His father does send her letters once in awhile. Not his father nor his friends want her to forget them. They had become so attached. Montgomery pulled the note out and looked at it. It was from Charlie, it read “Dear bruh...” Montgomery took time out to correct some of the grammar. “You show me a perfect person and I still might try. The only perfect thing is Gawd Jesus The Lord and nobody even conversates talks wiph with Him no anymore.” Mr Dadier pulled Montgomery’s file [#19359]. It read, “Charles Montgomery Xavier Fuller”. Mr Dadier looked at the file with the same attentiveness a retired English school teacher would as they corrected the grammar in the Times Colonist. -So how are you feeling Montgomery- -Ok- -How’s your mother? She making out- -Ok- -I love India, myself- -Yeah? She’s back- -Yes, that’s good. How’s your son doing- -He alright- -He’s got enough to eat- -Yeah- -Ok. That’s good to hear. There are some programs that...- -...Yeah- -How is your friends death affecting you- There was a silence. Mr Dadier waited for Montgomery to answer. Dadier sat by his desk with a note book and pen and tried not to make too much eye contact with the boy who sat holding a pen and looking at the note in his hand. The note had said a few things. “Father....” Montgomery finally looked up and answered, -Which one- Mr Dadier asked, concealing his confusion, -I beg you pardon- Montgomery replied under his breath, -S’all good- ***** Johnny was on his work experience at the Uncle Bobby’s Bagel House. He cleaned up there. It was a good job. Johnny had learned a lot about flour. He also had worked out a plan to creat robots to help him and his work partners clean up and even make bagels. Robots can sweep. You can either have them hold the brooms or make it so that they can have detachable parts. His robots would be better than a vaccum cleaner. They would play music. Maybe even download mp3s. If he could hook up a deal with Sony he could get them to play video games and DVDs, too. Mr Dadier openned his note book to a new page and asked Johnny how he was. Johnny sat opposite his “Bongs not Bombs” t-shirt and answered, -I’m ok, Mr Dadier- -So, John, how are you feeling about Charlies’ death- Charlie had helped Johnny type up the daily regular duties on his computer. Johnny had trouble the first week getting all the things right. Johnny wanted to make sure that he did a good job. He went over the list until he knew it by heart. No other worker there, except for the real professionals, new the routine like he did. Johnny thought, Uncle Bobby’s Bagel House -- CLEANERS Job 1. REGULAR DAILY THINGS ARE THE FOLLOWING: Stocking Up The Bagels Up Front Putting All Bagels In Bins -So what I’m saying Johnny is that you should think about a college. If robotics is what you want to do- Clean All The Following: The Mixer (Thoroughly) Boiler Rolling Tables Blues Wall Oven Door Seeding Table Rising Table Cinnamon Trays (There Are Two Racks Of Them) Small Hand Sink -Now, there are technical schools, as well that you... or we could look into- Flour Room (Sweep/Mop Floor, Wipe Fridges, Take Out Garbage, Scrub The Floor) Mop Floor Partially Scrape Trays Sweep Floor Wipe Doors And Counters Off Bring Some Green Bins Out Bring Out Flour (22 Bags: White And 2 Bags Brown) -Why don’t we make an appointment to go to the library and I’ll show how to look up schools and see what the requirements are- Organize Recycle Room Bee Mop The Wall For Brown Drips Count The Floor Bagels Mop The Bagel Factory Floor Count The Leftover Bagels And Put Into Bins Take Bins To Recycle Room Take Garbage Out Bag Bagels For Market When Required Roll Up Floor Mat Bag And Throw Away Any Bagels From The Daye Before Go Home -How’s the death of your friend Charlie affecting your life and studies- 2 REGULAR WEEKLY ACTIVITIES INCLUDE: Clean All The Following: Under And Behind The Mixer The Window Sill The Window And Under The Rising Able The Cinnamon Gunk Off The Aluminum Freezer Trays -He was really special to you, was he not, Johnny- The Staff Room The Stock Room The Insides Of The Fridges The Boiler Hood The Oven Hood The Sesame Oil Off Of The Insides Of The Counter Drawers 5 Green Bins Wipe Wall Behind Front Bagels Take Out Cardboard -Do you know what all that was about with Frank and Montgomery in school this morning- Water Front Flower Boxes Sweep Front Side Walk And Back Parkin ing lot Scrub Flour Pallet Clean Wash Oven Mitts Take Old Bulletins Down Johnny really wanted to make robots. Mr. Dadier said something about school. But he was probably going to be a cleaner all his life. His daddy was. Where the hell is U Vic anyway? If he wasn’t going to be a cleaner why would they send him out to a Uncle Bob’s Bagel House? ***** When Benjamin finally answered Mr Dadiers’ question and concerns about Charlie all he could say was, -Would you get your mind out of the headlines. Maybe it wasn’t a suicide. Maybe it was a warning- Mr Dadier asked, -What warning, Ben- -Our ol Suns and Moons- -I’m afraid I’m...- -Ah.... you ever read The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel? Hedda Gabler? FM 5-31 Department of the Army Field Manual? Another Kind of Rain by Gerald Barrax? Silencing Sentries by Oscar Diaz-Cobo? The Chronic? Native Son? Hip Hop America? Black, Brown and Biege? The Ellingtonic Dialogues of Money Jungle? Ripper Writs by Ishkan? Hard Candy by Apollo? Giovanni’s The Truth Is on it’s Way? African Blood? A Love Supreme? from Niggas to G-ds? Wordstruck by Robert MacNeil? Tha Doggfather? Way Pass Cool? Seventh Heaven by Patti Smith? Eastwood Rides Again? Don’t Cry Scream by Don L. Lee? Black Uhuru’s Red? Direct Action by Ann Hanson? Liquid Swords by GZA? Digital Bullet by RZA? Emanuel Xavier’s Christ-Like? Instrumental Floss by Sichuan? Johnny Got His Gun? The Unfettered Mind? Franny and Zooey? Frisk? Tical, Always Running? Systems of Dantes Hell? did you ever read music and listen to a book? who how about War and Peace in the Global Village? You like Lindsay Anderson- ***** Fuchx had jus given a dart to Cashbwoy. He only two left, naw en one was for More. He soon come out. It soon noon. Ian VanHeusen wrote: > oops I meant a good text or a good CD or some good words... I guess I > have > been reading too much Derrida. I recomend Liquid Swords by GZA Genius > to any > wanna be scholar who thinks they know Hip Hop... sometimes lyrics are > about > things you don't understand, so don't pretend too. Sometimes people just > speak, and the truth of Liquid Swords is very profound. Peace, > A good line that would help explain the entire album is "The life > of a > drug dealer." I would assume that Wu_Tang clan had to run the streets to > finance their albums, and people like that never forget where they are > from. > The hood? Don't guess, ask. > Ian > > _________________________________________________________________ > Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > -- {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\cocoartf102 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset77 Helvetica;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;} \margl1440\margr1440\vieww9000\viewh9000\viewkind0 \pard\tx560\tx1120\tx1680\tx2240\tx2800\tx3360\tx3920\tx4480\tx5040\tx5600\tx6160\tx6720\ql\qnatural \cf0 \ \f0\fs24 --\ -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:29:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: CR Dorn issue and more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CR is pleased to anounce the publication of CHICAGO REVIEW 49:3/4 & 50:1 (Summer 2004) This triple issue features a 250-pp. section entitled EDWARD DORN, AMERICAN HERETIC, which includes: + late poems by Dorn + correspondence with Jones (Baraka), Raworth, and others + an interview + transcript of a 1977 poetry workshop + Jennifer Dunbar Dorn on ROLLING STOCK + Alastair Johnston on Zephyrus Image + Dale Smith on THE SHOSHONEANS + David Southern on Dorn's correspondence + Keith Tuma on Dorn's late poetry + John Wright on interviewing Dorn This 416-pp. issue also includes the standard gauge jaunty range of poetry, fiction, and criticism: POEMS by Miguel Barnet, Christine Garren, Alan Gilbert, Deiter M. Gr=E4f, William Fuller, Mark McMorris, Mark Nowak, Peter Riley, Dennis Schmitz, Eleni Sikelianos, Chris Stroffolino, David Ray Vance, Catherine Wing FICTION by Jacques Jouet and Dallas Wiebe ESSAY by Peter O'Leary (on Robinson Jeffers) INTERVIEW with Eleni Sikelianos REVIEWS of Ammiel Alcalay, Cydney Chadwick, Tom Clark, Geoffrey Hill, Alastair Johnston, Devin Johnston, Christopher Logue, Robert Pinsky NOTES & COMMENTS by Andrea Brady (on Don Paterson's NEW BRITISH POETRY) and Michael Heller (on Philip Guston) * * * Contributor and subscriber copies are in the mail; and there should be copies in your local bookstore before long (ask for it by name), or if you can't wait you can get yours direct from CR -- mail us a check for $10 to DORN ISSUE Chicago Review 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 Or if you're feeling a little loose, subscriptions are available for a mere $18....see appetizing forthcoming matter announced below. * * * EDWARD DORN, AMERICAN HERETIC is the first of three special issues to be published in 2004/5 (these three on the heels of 3 "general" issues). The forthcoming special issues are: ON LOUIS ZUKOFSKY (Fall 2004) Mark Scroggins on Zukofksy at Columbia in the 20s; David Wray on translation in CATULLUS and "A"-21; selections from Zukofky's correspondence ON CHRISTOFFER MIDDLETON (Winter 2004/5) a festschrift for the poet, translator, story-writer, and critic, with contributions from Yvonne Jacquette, Marius Kociejowski, August Kleinzahler, Zulfikar Ghose, Keith Waldrop, Rosmarie Waldrop, and many more These (and subsequent) issues will also include: POEMS by Rae Armantrout, Jordan Davis, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Alice=20 Notley, Piotr Sommer, Marcin Swietlicki, John Taggart, Tyrone=20 Williams, and others TRANSLATIONS of Dante (by Sue Landers), Eluard/Breton (by Ela Kotkowska), Ovid (by Linda Russo), and others =46ICTION by Lisa Jarnot, Giorgio Manganelli, Raymond Roussel, and others ESSAYS on Ralph J. Mills, Jr. (by Devin Johnston), George Oppen (by Michael Heller), Jeremy Prynne (by William Fuller), and more INTERVIEWS with Camille Guthrie, D.A. Powell, Arthur Sze, and others * * * nb: our website is woefully out of date but shd be updated before long with excerpts and extras... =2E * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:12:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Seldess Subject: Discrete Series 8/13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable __________THE DISCRETE SERIES @ 3030__________ :: presents :: a multi-voiced performance piece by John Beer & Robert Lax :: collaborative work by William Allegrezza & Garin Cycholl Friday, August 13 9PM / 3030 W. Cortland / $5 suggested donation / BYOB [Black/White Oratorio, by Robert Lax & John Beer, is an abstract piece = for performance centered upon color words. The piece is based upon Lax's = color poems. The Oratorio will make its American debut on Friday, Aug. 13 for = the Discrete Series. Previously, it was produced in Geneva, Switzerland for = the 1997 Festival la Batie. John Beer's poetry and essays have appeared in periodicals including = Barrow Street, Chicago Review, Chicago Tribune, Crowd, Iowa Review, Review of Contemporary Fiction, and Verse. He was Robert Lax's literary assistant = from 1996 to 1998. Currently a Ph.D. candidate at the University of Chicago, = he edits poetry for Bridge and co-curates the Danny's Reading Series. The poetry of Robert Lax (1915-2000) has appeared in collections by = Grove and Overlook, and by Pendo Verlag in Switzerland. Lax began lifelong friendships with Thomas Merton and Ad Reinhardt as a student at Columbia = in the early 1930s. A contributor to the New Yorker and a Hollywood screenwriter, Lax lived in the Greek islands from the mid 1960s through = the end of his life. Performers will include: Joel Craig, Amber Sutherland, Peter O'Leary, = Jen Karmin, Charlie Levin, Chuck Stebelton, Daniel Borzutzky, and John = Tipton.] [Garin Cycholl teaches writing and literature at the University of = Illinois at Chicago, where he also works as co-editor of Near South, a journal of experimental poetry, fiction, and drama. His recent work has appeared or = is forthcoming with Exquisite Corpse and New American Writing, and some of his recent collaborative work with Chicago poet Bill Allegrezza recently appeared with Textbase and Tin Lustre Mobile. Blue Mound to 161, his = book- length poem on geological and historical displacements in Southern = Illinois, will be available from Pavement Saw Press this fall. William Allegrezza teaches and writes from his base in Chicago. His = poems, translations, essays, and reviews have been published in several = countries, including the U.S., Holland, Finland, and Australia, and are available = in many online journals. His chapbook lingo was published by subontic press = and his e-book Temporal Nomads can be downloaded from xPress(ed) (www.xpressed.org/title3.html).Also, he is the editor of moria (www.moriapoetry.com), a journal dedicated to experimental poetry and Poetics.] 3030 is a former Pentecostal church located at 3030 W. Cortland Ave., = one block south of Armitage between Humboldt Blvd. and Kedzie. Parking is easiest on Armitage. The Discrete Series will present an event of poetry/music/performance/something on the second Friday of each month. = For more information about this or upcoming events, email = j_seldess@hotmail.com or kerri@conundrumpoetry.com , or call the space at 773-862-3616. http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete ..if you'd like to be removed from this list please respond kindly... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:35:47 -0700 Reply-To: Sarah Mangold Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sarah Mangold Subject: Bird Dog reminder Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bird Dog: A dog used to retrieve game birds. To follow a subject of interest with persistent attention. A scout . . . Bird Dog, a journal of innovative writing and art. Seeking innovative writing and art: collaborations, interviews, long poems, reviews, collage, poetry, poetics, graphs, charts, short fiction, non-fiction, cross genre . . . Postmark deadline for Issue 6: September 1, 2004 Issue Five featured new work by: Brigitte Byrd, Noah Eli Gordon & Sara Veglahn, Camille Guthrie, Bob Harrison, Brenda Iijima, Julie Kizershot, John Latta, Michael Leddy, Corey Mead, Kristin Palm, David Pavelich, Heidi Peppermint, Donna Stonecipher, Stacy Szymaszek, Mark Tardi, Steve Timm, Dana Ward and Art from Karen Ganz Bird Dog is published bi-annually (roughly Winter and Summer) 7x9, perfect-bound, tipped in illustrations, ISSN 1546-0479. Subscriptions $12.00 for two issues. Individual copies $6. Checks payable to Sarah Mangold. Submissions, Subscriptions, Queries: Bird Dog c/o Sarah Mangold 1535 32nd Ave, Apt. C Seattle, WA 98122 www.birddogmagazine.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:46:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: queen's writ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed queen's writ it's the queen's writ, to be sure, you can read it in the wind, it's graphology. god is a voiceover discerned by signs turned as such on the lathe of experience. we're heading towards the interior, mine own, squalls lead the way. the machines shudder in the almost-dark, you can hear the native clarinets murmured in the distance. all distances are great, saith the lord, all winds from nowhere, all destinations cut short by the love of death. the lord inculcates all i do and think. religion's always on my mind, when it isn't dad, and the two are identical, now aren't they. you can see the packet spurts, shape-riding in this environment is more like a roller-coaster than anything else, holy-roller to be sure. the wind blows out, grey clouds unfurl the sky once again in the almost-dark. this is the image of a picture in the text of the steganographic image. the terrorists need help. i'm in the valleys of the appalachians of pennsylvania, we're all in training here, but for what?:day two on dad's machines, the natives here are restless, we'll take care of it, get rid of the dirty bomb, literally, the earth throws it off-course, solar panels in disarray, mayday or some such, but who'd approach? not on your life they say, at least the machine works slow like a leak, word after word coming in, none too fast of course - there are winds on the sea, winds within, they caress me, dawn, there are winds on the sea, winds within, they caress me, dawn, you can read it in the wind your there are masts in the land, masts in the sea, what of them and their brawn, your place among you there are masts in the land, masts in the sea, what of them and their brawn you can read it, you can read it in the wind _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:01:37 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Wystan Curnow (FOA ENG)" Subject: Re: Looking for Ed Sanders fans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi David, I am a big fan of Mr. Ed Sanders but I can't get to New York for this coming Wednesday. I just want to say thank you to him for 'The Cutting Prow' and his performance of it in the old Poetry in Motion film. It's long ago, but everytime the subject of poetry about paintings comes up on lists like this, and it does so regularly, his remarkably touching tribute to Matisse in his late years, comes to mind. Wystan Tremayne LeCren Curnow -----Original Message----- From: David A. Kirschenbaum [mailto:editor@BOOGCITY.COM] Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 5:03 a.m. To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Looking for Ed Sanders fans hi all, if you are a fan of Ed Sanders, and will be in New York City this coming Wed., Aug. 18, please backchannel me to editor@boogcity.com thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 www.boogcity.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 22:24:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NEW AND ON VIEW: MUDLARK POSTER NO. 52 (2004) In Praise of Writer's Block | An Essay by David Alpaugh David Alpaugh's essay "The Professionalization of Poetry" was serialized in two issues of POETS & WRITERS MAGAZINE in 2003. It drew over two hundred letters and emails and was widely discussed on the internet. Alpaugh's poetry, fiction, drama and criticism have appeared in numerous journals and anthologies, including EXQUISITE CORPSE, THE FORMALIST, MODERN DRAMA, POETRY, TWENTIETH CENTURY LITERATURE, THE LITERATURE OF WORK, and CALIFORNIA POETRY FROM THE GOLD RUSH TO THE PRESENT. His collection COUNTERPOINT won the Nicholas Roerich Poetry Prize from Story Line Press and his chapbooks have been published by Coracle Books and Pudding House Publications. A graduate of Rutgers University and the University of California, Berkeley, where he was a Woodrow Wilson and Ford Foundation fellow, Alpaugh operates Small Poetry Press, a chapbook design and printing service, and edits its Select Poets Series. He has taught at the U.C., Berkeley extension and hosts one of the San Francisco Bay Area's most popular monthly poetry reading venues. He was a guest speaker at the Squaw Valley Community of Writers in 2003 and defended the controversial thesis of "The Professionalization of Poetry" at the AWP 2004 Convention in Chicago. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:37:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: derekrogerson Organization: derekrogerson.com Subject: Ted Kooser of Nebraska named poet laureate of United States MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Ted Kooser, 65, one of Nebraska's most highly regarded poets, will be the next poet laureate of the United States. He replaces Louise Gluck in the one-year position. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=3Dstory&u=3D/ap/20040812/ap_en_ot/poet_la= ure ate_3 =20 =20 Poets Who Have Held the Library of Congress Poetry Position, 1937-Present: Joseph Auslander, 1937-1941 (Auslander's appointment to the Poetry chair had no fixed term)=20 Allen Tate, 1943-1944=20 Robert Penn Warren, 1944-1945=20 Louise Bogan, 1945-1946=20 Karl Shapiro, 1946-1947=20 Robert Lowell, 1947-1948=20 Leonie Adams, 1948-1949=20 Elizabeth Bishop, 1949-1950=20 Conrad Aiken, 1950-1952 (First to serve two terms)=20 William Carlos Williams (Appointed in 1952 but did not serve)=20 Randall Jarrell, 1956-1958=20 Robert Frost, 1958-1959=20 Richard Eberhart, 1959-1961=20 Louis Untermeyer, 1961-1963=20 Howard Nemerov, 1963-1964=20 Reed Whittemore, 1964-1965=20 Stephen Spender, 1965-1966=20 James Dickey, 1966-1968=20 William Jay Smith, 1968-1970=20 William Stafford, 1970-1971=20 Josephine Jacobsen, 1971-1973=20 Daniel Hoffman, 1973-1974=20 Stanley Kunitz, 1974-1976=20 Robert Hayden, 1976-1978=20 William Meredith, 1978-1980=20 Maxine Kumin,1981-1982=20 Anthony Hecht, 1982-1984=20 Robert Fitzgerald, 1984-1985 (Appointed and served in a health-limited capacity, but did not come to the Library of Congress)=20 Reed Whittemore, 1984-1985 (Interim Consultant in Poetry)=20 Gwendolyn Brooks, 1985-1986=20 Robert Penn Warren, 1986-1987 (First to be designated Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry)=20 Richard Wilbur, 1987-1988=20 Howard Nemerov, 1988-1990=20 Mark Strand, 1990-1991=20 Joseph Brodsky, 1991-1992=20 Mona Van Duyn, 1992-1993=20 Rita Dove, 1993-1995=20 Robert Hass, 1995-1997=20 Robert Pinsky, 1997-2000 (First to serve three consecutive terms)=20 Special Bicentennial Consultants, 1999-2000: Rita Dove, Louise Gl=FCck, and W.S. Merwin=20 Stanley Kunitz, 2000-2001=20 Billy Collins, 2001-2003=20 Louise Gl=FCck, 2003-2004 Ted Kooser, 2004-2005 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:54:11 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Stengel Subject: ian MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit excerpted from: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:11:44 -0400 From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: To Ishaq However, EVERYONE recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for some rich Jews in NY. the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY Albany). ian, i'm too tired to make much of a statement here, and besides, what does someone say to the likes of you? the first excerpt from your email is repulsive, the second ridiculous, and both are inflammatory, smacking of anti-semitism (for those who need definitions to be clear, from m-w.com: anti-semitism: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group). what does "strong base in key states and major universities" mean exactly? what kind of rhetoric is that? what purpose does it serve? where are your facts, what is your point? what exactly is it that you are saying here, ian? are you saying that you're a jew-hater? or perhaps a jew-disliker? or what, ian? what? jill stengel, middle-class california jew ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:33:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: NEW YORK CITY: Poetry and the Republican National Convention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit save me a gift bag please ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 02:32:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: NEW YORK CITY: Poetry and the Republican National Convention MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanx dk got a gig that night hi everyone it's morning nasty-girl voices outside the window well relatively morning in the a.m. anyway and the rain's stopped too bad about those kids in college point young in love electrocuted too bad about that guy's camera getting stolen too bad my friend's house got flooded he lost the 1st 2 floors basement and lots of books etc to bad i'm too tired to go on or maybe that's a good thing..... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:34:51 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Roger Day Subject: The text on one of Al-Queda's hard-drive MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/print/200409/cullison ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 05:09:23 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit intra day chart up down up down up.... rain/storm washed dawn...drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:11:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elen gebreab / Alena Hairston Subject: Grants for Gay-Positive Arts Projects Based on, or Inspired by, History MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.aabbfoundation.org/shortfiction.htm Grants for Gay-Positive Arts Projects Based on, or Inspired by, History Short Fiction in all Disciplines 2004 The Board of Directors of The Arch and Bruce Brown Foundation is pleased to announce a Writing Competition for the Foundation's 2004 writing grants. Submissions may include Short Stories, One-act Plays or short film or video projects. All works must present the gay and lesbian lifestyle in a positive manner and be based on, or directly inspired by, a historic person or event. (You may think your affair with the dancer from the Russian ballet was historic, but it doesn't count.) One work per author, please. All works must be unpublished, original, and in English. Adaptations or translations of other works of fiction are not acceptable. The winners selected by the judges will be announced in Spring 2005 at the Annual Lambda Literary Awards and will receive a cash award of $1,000. (Not limited to a single winner.) All submissions must be postmarked by midnight November 30, 2004. Mail manuscript, including author's name, address, phone number, a note on the historical inspiration for the work. Manuscripts can not be returned because of the large numbers of submissions. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:08:09 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Kerry as Bush Lite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Published on Wednesday, August 11, 2004 by the Toronto Star Kerry Fails Iraq Test Editorial What do Americans need in their president, post-9/11? Strong leadership, of course. Clear vision. Common sense. And in a dangerous, fast-changing world, the capacity to learn from past mistakes would be helpful. Senator John Kerry, the Democrat who hopes to elbow President George Bush from office on Nov. 2, promises all of the above and more. But there was little of it on display Monday, when Kerry responded to Bush's challenge to spell out where he stands on the U.S. invasion of Iraq. Rising to Bush's bait, Kerry said he would have cast the same Yes vote in Congress that he did on Oct. 11, 2002, to authorize the president to launch a pre-emptive war that began March 19, 2003, even if Kerry had known that Saddam Hussein had no ties with Al Qaeda terrorists, no weapons of mass destruction and posed no real threat to the world. "I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Kerry now says. Only he would have used that power more "effectively." This amounts to a sweeping claim by Kerry that America has carte blanche to make war on even bogus grounds, and in defiance of the United Nations and world opinion, so long as the war is waged effectively. It's depressing from a candidate who has attacked Bush for "misleading" the nation, who promises a better direction and who claims to want to re-engage with the world. Kerry's vote in 2002, while misguided, was defensible. Bush had exaggerated Saddam's threat, and had won over 7 in 10 Americans to the view that the Iraq war was justified. But since then, the U.N. has been vindicated. Saddam was contained; there were no ties to the 9/11 terrorists; and Iraq had no nuclear, chemical or biological weapons. That leaves most Americans feeling misled, or duped. They can see the damage to U.S. prestige internationally. The loss of more than 1,000 American and allied lives, and 16,000 Iraqi lives . A $200-billion cost. And they see no easy exit. All this is baggage Bush should carry to the polls, alone. But Kerry has just re-endorsed his misguided policy, if not its clumsy delivery. No wonder Kerry is struggling to pull ahead in a race with a president who has not delivered promised jobs and who is seen as a friend of the rich and powerful. Practical politics undoubtedly prompted Kerry's reply. He is loath to admit he cast a foolish vote in 2002. He does not want to alienate voters who were similarly duped, and who are not keen to be reminded of it. And he must not be seen as "soft" on Saddam. But Kerry comes off looking like "Bush lite" on Iraq, rather than as a candidate with better values and a sounder program. He seems weak. Muddled. Has he learned nothing from a slew of American investigations that have exposed the sloppiness of U.S. intelligence and the shabbiness of the rationale for war? This is a letdown for American voters who yearn for a real alternative, and a healthier direction. It is not good news for the world, either. Copyright Toronto Star Newspapers Limited ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:05:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: Plaque commemorates US poet Pound Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed When St. Elizabeth's opened itself up as a "museum" in the very early eighties as an act of self-preservation, Peter Vandeventer & I decided to visit. The only trace of Ezra Pound we could find was not quite a plaque on the wall between two administrators' offices indicating that this suite with interior door between the two rooms had been EP's quarters. -- Barry Alpert _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:06 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: <27.5f580568.2e4c6e13@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To Ishaq's emails--which are often, if I remember correctly, postings of other people's writings as well as his own--regarding the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, to Stephen Baraban's critique of it, to Ian's defense of it, to Jill Stengel's critique of excerpts of Ian's email, to what has seemed to me for some time now the nearly impossible task of finding a language in which to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: That does not conflate the specifics of a particular religious rhetoric with the people who practice all the myriad forms that religion might take; That does not conflate age-old canards--Jew-hating; Arab-hating; take your pick--with the legitimate desire to understand and explain, investigate and critique, the politics of those two communities--here, in the Middle East, in France, Malaysia, again: take your pick; A language that does not personalize what are reasonable questions about those communities, no matter how uncomfortable those questions might be to members of those communities, i.e., the fact that, to quote Ian, "jihad is a universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam," does not mean that the bloody and violent version of jihad promulgated by sectors within the Muslim community is not now part of Islam that stands in relation to the other meaning(s) of jihad that also exist; the fact that Jew-hating canards about Jewish money make it uncomfortable for Jews to think about the power and influence that money gives to Jews does not mean that Jews in the United States do not have some--and I mean here a very equivocal "some"--power and influence that we have an obligation to take responsibility for, especially in relation to the more far-reaching powerlessness and marginaliztion in this country of Arabs and Muslims; A language that does not take itself so seriously that it loses sight of how sarcasm and humor can be effective tools in finding the language I am talking about--and I should add that this is not a left-handed attempt to defend the comments by Ian that Jill critiques--"However, EVERYONE recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for some rich Jews in NY" and "the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY Albany)"--which, even if they were meant in some sort of jest, were not funny. I am thinking more of Ian's closing statement--"Think twice though, because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what!--which seemed clearly to me to be his own response to the generalizations he'd made earlier; A language that does not force allegiance to one side or the other to demand of us that we lose sight of the other side's humanity. I am thinking of this quote from Susan Sontag's, "To an Israeli Jew, a photograph of a child torn apart in the attack on the Sbarro pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem is first of all a photograph of Jewish child killed by a Palestinian suicide-bomber. To a Palestinian, a photograph of a child torn apart by a tank round in Gaza is first of all a photograph of a Palestinian child killed by Israeli ordinance. To the militant, identity is everything." And precisely because the people who will find whatever lasting resolution comes out of this conflict will not be militants--assuming the resolution is not mutual destruction--we need to find a way of talking about it that does not get us mired in identity issues. As a Jew, I find the generalizations made in Ian's email troubling and I find as well the use of the label Zionist in Ishaq's reposting to be troubling as well--each participates, or potentially participates, in a long history of worldwide anti-Semitism that no Jewish person can afford to ignore, and it seems to me that people who want to talk about the role of Zionism in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict--and Zionism absolutely plays a role--and/or about the role of Jews as a relatively powerful minority in the United States, and perhaps elsewhere in the world, have a responsibility to educate themselves about the history of the rhetoric they wish to employ, not because, as some people in my wife's family have informed me--my wife is a Muslim--"no one is allowed to criticize the Jews," but because, just as Muslims have a right to expect that anyone entering into a discussion of jihad will at least attempt to understand that concept in its simplicity and its complexity from the Muslim point of view, and to understand how the term has been used against Muslims in the past, Jews have the right to expect that people wanting to talk about our community will do the same in terms of the way we talk about our own community and the way in which the world has talked about us. It is not a Muslim's job to educate me about Islam, especially when he feels himself in endangered by a group that I belong to--even if I do not support what the group is doing--and nor is it my job to educate someone who is not Jewish about their own attitudes regarding Jews. The work of learning about and accepting The Other is work we have to do first and foremost by ourselves and for ourselves; otherwise, it is empty work. Now, having said all that, I think it is also important to point out that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not simply one of Muslim vs. Jew. There are Christian Palestinians and there are Israelis who are not Jewish, and I am not thinking only here about Israeli-Arabs, and, for me, the fact that the conflict is so often represented, on both sides, as one between two religious groups--Jews and Muslims--suggests why it is so important not to trust the religious rhetoric of either side when it is employed to describe, define or propose modes of action in response to or solutions for the conflict. It is almost impossible, once you get people's ideas about their particular god involved, to get past the immovable block of identity, because there will always be, on either side, the sneaking suspicion that "my god is bigger than your god," or, to be more specific, that "my god is right and your god is, if not wrong, then certainly less right." There is a great deal more to say on this, I imagine, but I am looking at the clock and I need to get to the library and do some work. Cheers! Richard Richard Newman Associate Professor, English Chair, International Studies Committee Nassau Community College One Education Drive Garden City, NY 11530 O: (516) 572-7612 F: (516) 572-8134 newmanr@ncc.edu www.ncc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:13:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: Desert City Poetry Series Blog In-Reply-To: <27.5f580568.2e4c6e13@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello everyone, The Desert City and I have joined the blog happy. Please find the schedule, history, and general info about the series at http://desertcity.blogspot.com Thanks. Ken Rumble ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:34:07 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Desert City Poetry Series Blog MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 08/12/04 12:15:47 PM, rumblek@BELLSOUTH.NET writes: > Hello everyone, >=20 > The Desert City and I have joined the blog happy.=A0 Please find the > schedule, history, and general info about the series at >=20 > http://desertcity.blogspot.com >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > Ken Rumble >=20 Congratulations and good luck to you. Murat ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:03:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: G.L.B.T. poetry competition: Giovanni's Room International Poetry Award MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit G.L.B.T. poetry competition: Giovanni's Room International Poetry Award for complete submissions guidelines please go to: http://GRaward.blogspot.com $100 first place plus Giovanni's Room Bookstore gift certificate plus publication of poem all questions can be directed to CAConrad13@AOl.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:26:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net In-Reply-To: <20040812160414.QNPS24490.out014.verizon.net@YOUR6DDD04B03A> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Richard, a public Thanks for your good (sane) post re Ishaq, Ian, etc. and the larger issue. Today I am terrified of the ramifications of Marines in Najef (sp?) blowing up the center of the Shia world. So little do I know. But I do know if someone blew up Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York (or some comparable shrine/icon), all hell would follow in its name. I am expecting the worse from all of this. Cactus shrines in the desert will become the safest place of worship - no matter one's belief system. It's amazing - re Najef - there is only mostly American public silence in the face of what this may all further precipitate. What is this? Collective submission to the Evangelical love of fire & smoke as preliminary to the promise of Eternal Rapture? Jeezus! I pray some saner forces bring in secular hoses, immediately! Not death wishing this morning! Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com > To Ishaq's emails--which are often, if I remember correctly, postings of > other people's writings as well as his own--regarding the > Palestinian-Israeli conflict, to Stephen Baraban's critique of it, to Ian's > defense of it, to Jill Stengel's critique of excerpts of Ian's email, to > what has seemed to me for some time now the nearly impossible task of > finding a language in which to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: > > That does not conflate the specifics of a particular religious rhetoric with > the people who practice all the myriad forms that religion might take; > > That does not conflate age-old canards--Jew-hating; Arab-hating; take your > pick--with the legitimate desire to understand and explain, investigate and > critique, the politics of those two communities--here, in the Middle East, > in France, Malaysia, again: take your pick; > > A language that does not personalize what are reasonable questions about > those communities, no matter how uncomfortable those questions might be to > members of those communities, i.e., the fact that, to quote Ian, "jihad is a > universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam," does not mean that the > bloody and violent version of jihad promulgated by sectors within the Muslim > community is not now part of Islam that stands in relation to the other > meaning(s) of jihad that also exist; the fact that Jew-hating canards about > Jewish money make it uncomfortable for Jews to think about the power and > influence that money gives to Jews does not mean that Jews in the United > States do not have some--and I mean here a very equivocal "some"--power and > influence that we have an obligation to take responsibility for, especially > in relation to the more far-reaching powerlessness and marginaliztion in > this country of Arabs and Muslims; > > A language that does not take itself so seriously that it loses sight of how > sarcasm and humor can be effective tools in finding the language I am > talking about--and I should add that this is not a left-handed attempt to > defend the comments by Ian that Jill critiques--"However, EVERYONE > recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for > some rich Jews in NY" and "the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie > New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY > Albany)"--which, even if they were meant in some sort of jest, were not > funny. I am thinking more of Ian's closing statement--"Think twice though, > because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing > Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what!--which seemed clearly to > me to be his own response to the generalizations he'd made earlier; > > A language that does not force allegiance to one side or the other to demand > of us that we lose sight of the other side's humanity. I am thinking of this > quote from Susan Sontag's, "To an Israeli Jew, a photograph of a child torn > apart in the attack on the Sbarro pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem is first of > all a photograph of Jewish child killed by a Palestinian suicide-bomber. To > a Palestinian, a photograph of a child torn apart by a tank round in Gaza is > first of all a photograph of a Palestinian child killed by Israeli > ordinance. To the militant, identity is everything." And precisely because > the people who will find whatever lasting resolution comes out of this > conflict will not be militants--assuming the resolution is not mutual > destruction--we need to find a way of talking about it that does not get us > mired in identity issues. > > As a Jew, I find the generalizations made in Ian's email troubling and I > find as well the use of the label Zionist in Ishaq's reposting to be > troubling as well--each participates, or potentially participates, in a long > history of worldwide anti-Semitism that no Jewish person can afford to > ignore, and it seems to me that people who want to talk about the role of > Zionism in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict--and Zionism absolutely plays a > role--and/or about the role of Jews as a relatively powerful minority in the > United States, and perhaps elsewhere in the world, have a responsibility to > educate themselves about the history of the rhetoric they wish to employ, > not because, as some people in my wife's family have informed me--my wife is > a Muslim--"no one is allowed to criticize the Jews," but because, just as > Muslims have a right to expect that anyone entering into a discussion of > jihad will at least attempt to understand that concept in its simplicity and > its complexity from the Muslim point of view, and to understand how the term > has been used against Muslims in the past, Jews have the right to expect > that people wanting to talk about our community will do the same in terms of > the way we talk about our own community and the way in which the world has > talked about us. > > It is not a Muslim's job to educate me about Islam, especially when he feels > himself in endangered by a group that I belong to--even if I do not support > what the group is doing--and nor is it my job to educate someone who is not > Jewish about their own attitudes regarding Jews. The work of learning about > and accepting The Other is work we have to do first and foremost by > ourselves and for ourselves; otherwise, it is empty work. > > Now, having said all that, I think it is also important to point out that > the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not simply one of Muslim vs. Jew. There > are Christian Palestinians and there are Israelis who are not Jewish, and I > am not thinking only here about Israeli-Arabs, and, for me, the fact that > the conflict is so often represented, on both sides, as one between two > religious groups--Jews and Muslims--suggests why it is so important not to > trust the religious rhetoric of either side when it is employed to describe, > define or propose modes of action in response to or solutions for the > conflict. It is almost impossible, once you get people's ideas about their > particular god involved, to get past the immovable block of identity, > because there will always be, on either side, the sneaking suspicion that > "my god is bigger than your god," or, to be more specific, that "my god is > right and your god is, if not wrong, then certainly less right." > > There is a great deal more to say on this, I imagine, but I am looking at > the clock and I need to get to the library and do some work. > > Cheers! > > Richard > > > Richard Newman > Associate Professor, English > Chair, International Studies Committee > Nassau Community College > One Education Drive > Garden City, NY 11530 > O: (516) 572-7612 > F: (516) 572-8134 > newmanr@ncc.edu > www.ncc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:15:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "John F. Roche" Subject: More Orono MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT [Poetry Camp] Lockdown in Orono dormitory: Spartan bunks thin white towels and no hangers four cells to a sour suite one sink and one pod-shaped shower At the conference we discuss Pound at St. Elizabeth, Beckett’s “siege in the room,” Everson’s C.O. camp, Japanese internment camp poets, and HUAC’s hounding of Williams, not to forget Kafka’s Parable of the Door Then, after cash bar and open mic readings and more cash bar, we return to our nightly acquiescent incarceration fumbling with the codes that allow access to outer door middle door inner door And I gather this is so we can experience the monastic life of Castalia practicing the hierophantic mode hermetically sealed till dawn’s rosy-fingers free us and we drown in love’s sweet song ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:31:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: From Street Terror To State Terror Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ From Street Terror To State Terror: Today Revolution, Tomorrow the United States Of Al Qaeda: Al Qaeda, Following The Path Of The American Founding Fathers: Recognizing The Once And Future Riches By BUBBLES KILLENSPEW They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:54:45 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net In-Reply-To: <20040812160414.QNPS24490.out014.verizon.net@YOUR6DDD04B03A> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" thanks also for your thoughtful comments. nothing much to add, but hang in there. peace to all everywhere. At 12:04 PM -0400 8/12/04, Richard Jeffrey Newman wrote: >To Ishaq's emails--which are often, if I remember correctly, postings of >other people's writings as well as his own--regarding the >Palestinian-Israeli conflict, to Stephen Baraban's critique of it, to Ian's >defense of it, to Jill Stengel's critique of excerpts of Ian's email, to >what has seemed to me for some time now the nearly impossible task of >finding a language in which to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: > >That does not conflate the specifics of a particular religious rhetoric with >the people who practice all the myriad forms that religion might take; > >That does not conflate age-old canards--Jew-hating; Arab-hating; take your >pick--with the legitimate desire to understand and explain, investigate and >critique, the politics of those two communities--here, in the Middle East, >in France, Malaysia, again: take your pick; > >A language that does not personalize what are reasonable questions about >those communities, no matter how uncomfortable those questions might be to >members of those communities, i.e., the fact that, to quote Ian, "jihad is a >universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam," does not mean that the >bloody and violent version of jihad promulgated by sectors within the Muslim >community is not now part of Islam that stands in relation to the other >meaning(s) of jihad that also exist; the fact that Jew-hating canards about >Jewish money make it uncomfortable for Jews to think about the power and >influence that money gives to Jews does not mean that Jews in the United >States do not have some--and I mean here a very equivocal "some"--power and >influence that we have an obligation to take responsibility for, especially >in relation to the more far-reaching powerlessness and marginaliztion in >this country of Arabs and Muslims; > >A language that does not take itself so seriously that it loses sight of how >sarcasm and humor can be effective tools in finding the language I am >talking about--and I should add that this is not a left-handed attempt to >defend the comments by Ian that Jill critiques--"However, EVERYONE >recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for >some rich Jews in NY" and "the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie >New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY >Albany)"--which, even if they were meant in some sort of jest, were not >funny. I am thinking more of Ian's closing statement--"Think twice though, >because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing >Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what!--which seemed clearly to >me to be his own response to the generalizations he'd made earlier; > >A language that does not force allegiance to one side or the other to demand >of us that we lose sight of the other side's humanity. I am thinking of this >quote from Susan Sontag's, "To an Israeli Jew, a photograph of a child torn >apart in the attack on the Sbarro pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem is first of >all a photograph of Jewish child killed by a Palestinian suicide-bomber. To >a Palestinian, a photograph of a child torn apart by a tank round in Gaza is >first of all a photograph of a Palestinian child killed by Israeli >ordinance. To the militant, identity is everything." And precisely because >the people who will find whatever lasting resolution comes out of this >conflict will not be militants--assuming the resolution is not mutual >destruction--we need to find a way of talking about it that does not get us >mired in identity issues. > >As a Jew, I find the generalizations made in Ian's email troubling and I >find as well the use of the label Zionist in Ishaq's reposting to be >troubling as well--each participates, or potentially participates, in a long >history of worldwide anti-Semitism that no Jewish person can afford to >ignore, and it seems to me that people who want to talk about the role of >Zionism in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict--and Zionism absolutely plays a >role--and/or about the role of Jews as a relatively powerful minority in the >United States, and perhaps elsewhere in the world, have a responsibility to >educate themselves about the history of the rhetoric they wish to employ, >not because, as some people in my wife's family have informed me--my wife is >a Muslim--"no one is allowed to criticize the Jews," but because, just as >Muslims have a right to expect that anyone entering into a discussion of >jihad will at least attempt to understand that concept in its simplicity and >its complexity from the Muslim point of view, and to understand how the term >has been used against Muslims in the past, Jews have the right to expect >that people wanting to talk about our community will do the same in terms of >the way we talk about our own community and the way in which the world has >talked about us. > >It is not a Muslim's job to educate me about Islam, especially when he feels >himself in endangered by a group that I belong to--even if I do not support >what the group is doing--and nor is it my job to educate someone who is not >Jewish about their own attitudes regarding Jews. The work of learning about >and accepting The Other is work we have to do first and foremost by >ourselves and for ourselves; otherwise, it is empty work. > >Now, having said all that, I think it is also important to point out that >the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not simply one of Muslim vs. Jew. There >are Christian Palestinians and there are Israelis who are not Jewish, and I >am not thinking only here about Israeli-Arabs, and, for me, the fact that >the conflict is so often represented, on both sides, as one between two >religious groups--Jews and Muslims--suggests why it is so important not to >trust the religious rhetoric of either side when it is employed to describe, >define or propose modes of action in response to or solutions for the >conflict. It is almost impossible, once you get people's ideas about their >particular god involved, to get past the immovable block of identity, >because there will always be, on either side, the sneaking suspicion that >"my god is bigger than your god," or, to be more specific, that "my god is >right and your god is, if not wrong, then certainly less right." > >There is a great deal more to say on this, I imagine, but I am looking at >the clock and I need to get to the library and do some work. > >Cheers! > >Richard > > >Richard Newman >Associate Professor, English >Chair, International Studies Committee >Nassau Community College >One Education Drive >Garden City, NY 11530 >O: (516) 572-7612 >F: (516) 572-8134 >newmanr@ncc.edu >www.ncc.edu -- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:40:13 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tim Peterson Subject: looking for Mr. Piombino Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi Poet-People, I'm trying to contact Nick, but the email address listed on his blog is giving me crazy SPAM responses and bouncing back messages. Anyone know an alternate Nick Piombino email? Best, Tim ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:41:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Amato Subject: fundraiser for peltier as president Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Fundraiser -Leonard Peltier for President > >8:30-11:00 pm >Tuesday, 17th of August 2004 > >FEATURING: > >LOS ABLE MINDED POETS >& NICKI > >Twiggs Coffeehouse >4590 Park Boulevard * San Diego * California > >ALL AGES SHOW * COVER $5 * SILENT AUCTION ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:14:41 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: <20040812160414.QNPS24490.out014.verizon.net@YOUR6DDD04B03A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peace, Jews were not mentioned. Zionism does not = Anti-semiticism. Semites are not Jews. Jews are not the issue. Nor is Islam. Freedome Justice Equality is Peace to Anthany James Dawson (12/09/1969 - 13/08/1999) --taken down 11 Aug 99, who was murdered in Victoria, BC, who was not a Jew nor was he a Muslim, just another victim of the samo ethnic and racial cleansing that Palestinians (who are Muslims and were Jews and Christians) and Blacks (who are Muslims, Christians and Jews) have been subjected to and subjugated to for centuries by tyrants and oppressors. "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as) ...if you feel you fit the description of the oppressor's bill that's not my problem. Check your signifiers and referents peace to my peoples in struggle not in denial Richard Jeffrey Newman wrote: >To Ishaq's emails--which are often, if I remember correctly, postings of >other people's writings as well as his own--regarding the >Palestinian-Israeli conflict, to Stephen Baraban's critique of it, to Ian's >defense of it, to Jill Stengel's critique of excerpts of Ian's email, to >what has seemed to me for some time now the nearly impossible task of >finding a language in which to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: > >That does not conflate the specifics of a particular religious rhetoric with >the people who practice all the myriad forms that religion might take; > >That does not conflate age-old canards--Jew-hating; Arab-hating; take your >pick--with the legitimate desire to understand and explain, investigate and >critique, the politics of those two communities--here, in the Middle East, >in France, Malaysia, again: take your pick; > >A language that does not personalize what are reasonable questions about >those communities, no matter how uncomfortable those questions might be to >members of those communities, i.e., the fact that, to quote Ian, "jihad is a >universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam," does not mean that the >bloody and violent version of jihad promulgated by sectors within the Muslim >community is not now part of Islam that stands in relation to the other >meaning(s) of jihad that also exist; the fact that Jew-hating canards about >Jewish money make it uncomfortable for Jews to think about the power and >influence that money gives to Jews does not mean that Jews in the United >States do not have some--and I mean here a very equivocal "some"--power and >influence that we have an obligation to take responsibility for, especially >in relation to the more far-reaching powerlessness and marginaliztion in >this country of Arabs and Muslims; > >A language that does not take itself so seriously that it loses sight of how >sarcasm and humor can be effective tools in finding the language I am >talking about--and I should add that this is not a left-handed attempt to >defend the comments by Ian that Jill critiques--"However, EVERYONE >recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for >some rich Jews in NY" and "the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie >New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY >Albany)"--which, even if they were meant in some sort of jest, were not >funny. I am thinking more of Ian's closing statement--"Think twice though, >because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing >Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what!--which seemed clearly to >me to be his own response to the generalizations he'd made earlier; > >A language that does not force allegiance to one side or the other to demand >of us that we lose sight of the other side's humanity. I am thinking of this >quote from Susan Sontag's, "To an Israeli Jew, a photograph of a child torn >apart in the attack on the Sbarro pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem is first of >all a photograph of Jewish child killed by a Palestinian suicide-bomber. To >a Palestinian, a photograph of a child torn apart by a tank round in Gaza is >first of all a photograph of a Palestinian child killed by Israeli >ordinance. To the militant, identity is everything." And precisely because >the people who will find whatever lasting resolution comes out of this >conflict will not be militants--assuming the resolution is not mutual >destruction--we need to find a way of talking about it that does not get us >mired in identity issues. > >As a Jew, I find the generalizations made in Ian's email troubling and I >find as well the use of the label Zionist in Ishaq's reposting to be >troubling as well--each participates, or potentially participates, in a long >history of worldwide anti-Semitism that no Jewish person can afford to >ignore, and it seems to me that people who want to talk about the role of >Zionism in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict--and Zionism absolutely plays a >role--and/or about the role of Jews as a relatively powerful minority in the >United States, and perhaps elsewhere in the world, have a responsibility to >educate themselves about the history of the rhetoric they wish to employ, >not because, as some people in my wife's family have informed me--my wife is >a Muslim--"no one is allowed to criticize the Jews," but because, just as >Muslims have a right to expect that anyone entering into a discussion of >jihad will at least attempt to understand that concept in its simplicity and >its complexity from the Muslim point of view, and to understand how the term >has been used against Muslims in the past, Jews have the right to expect >that people wanting to talk about our community will do the same in terms of >the way we talk about our own community and the way in which the world has >talked about us. > >It is not a Muslim's job to educate me about Islam, especially when he feels >himself in endangered by a group that I belong to--even if I do not support >what the group is doing--and nor is it my job to educate someone who is not >Jewish about their own attitudes regarding Jews. The work of learning about >and accepting The Other is work we have to do first and foremost by >ourselves and for ourselves; otherwise, it is empty work. > >Now, having said all that, I think it is also important to point out that >the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not simply one of Muslim vs. Jew. There >are Christian Palestinians and there are Israelis who are not Jewish, and I >am not thinking only here about Israeli-Arabs, and, for me, the fact that >the conflict is so often represented, on both sides, as one between two >religious groups--Jews and Muslims--suggests why it is so important not to >trust the religious rhetoric of either side when it is employed to describe, >define or propose modes of action in response to or solutions for the >conflict. It is almost impossible, once you get people's ideas about their >particular god involved, to get past the immovable block of identity, >because there will always be, on either side, the sneaking suspicion that >"my god is bigger than your god," or, to be more specific, that "my god is >right and your god is, if not wrong, then certainly less right." > >There is a great deal more to say on this, I imagine, but I am looking at >the clock and I need to get to the library and do some work. > >Cheers! > >Richard > > >Richard Newman >Associate Professor, English >Chair, International Studies Committee >Nassau Community College >One Education Drive >Garden City, NY 11530 >O: (516) 572-7612 >F: (516) 572-8134 >newmanr@ncc.edu >www.ncc.edu > > > ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:50:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: but it was something el-se MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed but it was something el-se day turned to night when you went away seemed like every day you had to play but it was something el-se but it was something el-se times are hard, they're getting worse daddy drove up in a big old hearse but it was something el-se but it was something el-se souls are going and it won't be long before they come and take this song but it was something el-se but it was something el-se i can feel the storm it's coming tonight the river's rising an awful sight but it was something el-se but it was something el-se man came around he had a gun said you ain't gonna vote this time my son but it was something el-se but it was something el-se i ran like hell to another state they're all filled now with sacred hate but it was something el-se but it was something el-se god said son you're murderers all bow down to me and you'll walk tall but it was something el-se but it was something el-se you thank the lord you're still alive to worship him and join the hive but it was something el-se but it was something el-se my woman left we no goodbyes i trust the lord to hear my cries but it was something el-se but it was something el-se i killed my children for their sins in a holy war now everyone wins but it was something el-se but it was something el-se god played the fiddle devil the drum you can't tell where they're coming from but it was something el-se but it was something el-se ain't gonna vote the party of god fuck the rapture the worship of sod but it was something el-se but it was something el-se fuck the torah and koran too fuck the sutras christ is through but it was something el-se but it was something el-se my momma's gone to the setting son i'm left alone i'm the only one but it was something el-se but it was something el-se the only people jesus saves lie dead and buried in black-mass graves but it was something el-se but it was something el-se if you believe you're an enemy of those who don't and as for me it was something el-se it was something el-se if you don't believe you're an enemy of those who do and as for me it was something el-se it was something el-se _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:07:32 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: ...diaries in New Palestine: More at 7:30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Coo yah!!! alla big tings on lil tings make dem look like bigga figgas. Or is it thét prison gear don’t fit ri on lil a nekgah. However, the valley of the Cunanan crimeys keep wyelinout in rawdawgitude. Boops bwoy wiph a muscle cut ya. The kicks on those one. The vines on the other. Who got woht? Who kno who? Dem talk too much. Mistah Talkative Rude. Gangstas wiph the gift of gab. Assorted thug hen heterodoxy. Cho! it’s a good game. Hopefully it’ll make a good movement. They had played it many times. Time to pray. This is Victoria in mouth of America Victoria a bitch gon the nigger rich Racis white dudes wiph dreads Neva heavy steppin to Satchmo Submit the fus reggae creation of West End Blues Negkahless rap lyrics Madchild wannbes actin shadey Moby en Majin Buu Absorb Def Jux fellows Spit en dis Wiph a long play solo Imported Hip hop wiph no sense of self, sense or tempo Distorted casper rasta fire wiph no rebel pensive en the dublogical got jackt Smoken chronic like crack en actin loopy summon the anti-rebbi Too deep into the mystic Look coo soundbwoy stoosh yuh or not you jus bhuttuah Bungo punanny pickneys lost in redeye cellular digital This the Long Mile fuccin wiph the metaphysical = Sound silences + Words kill. ¡Ya! yo! Mark yuh Buu Stand firm on Shu Absorb More gather, wiph new homies en yard bwoys, in a semi-circle crowd up en pose deep in Me. He’s take time off, from the bosie show, to answer his celly, in front of the shoppin centre, by a Gap shop, in front of a busstop, further down a corner a Mickey D’s en a Book shop of Chapters of stuff, in front of a busstop, wiph more kids, on the outside than on the in, pyrootin along Douglas, from cross Yates to the Dougie to the cam flooded city square in front of a busstop, to every other corner pass thét until it decays. Follow where yankie ships crowd bosie slaves In hotel room reststops Land here on a poppyshow tip for dayes. Coo dey! prance More got rass nuff gag-up And 1 tank top en baby blue shants. He rock top shit wiph Garnet kicks jus kickin it wiph the fly, off the rack, grimey henbwoy himminals. Cho! They watch. They clock. Dem, all daye sit en stand en sway. Hot dayes - shirts off. Muscleless strut. ...shhuch... Booooom ziggazigga huh Sunny dayes are wyel. Hollyhoodoo shabti en 1/2 men vanity. Ragga kids wiph the badda psychic landscape of the sissy’s disjointed memories of the Fight club regained, Cha! Pissin up against ball court walls wiph dem back exposed. G ¡Ya! bouge de la! Pickney bwoys. Bodies more pumpt. Chicken sticks. Buffalo wings mild spicey. Bouge de la! Bouge de la! Walk badda tough. Pump yuh arms wide out en screwface the crowd. Best a show promenade of downloaded burned memories of woht was gag shit. Bouge de la -- thét’s out, kid! Cha! More, he speak on the celly like he was fed tobacco sauce as a pup. His crowd, they sat outside benches of the shoppin centre en pleaded tough for chumps. Ready to elude, Rude? Muscled up corners. Stitch en bitches Conflabs of bandit territorial artistic war maneuvers. A lil crowd is but a mark’s grip, laggaheads. Cho! ...en some they hung on Begbie st. ...still Lil Burg, he makin sandwiches for screwface bowys. ...shhuch zigga In this place called heaven -- being a nekgah in [c]Nada foster madness inna Dub’s heart. Seal your fate in lyrics held in flexless flaps. Burn the shit for rebel radio run by dream warriors lost in a mob of mathematical philosophy. En More, when he on, the spit he spit, naw, are wrapt in wickedness. Whack the shit en drop your will to tracks layin in point thét rock your mic. Did the 80’s add up to anyhthin -- 70’s ...shhuch... Booooom ziggazigga huh Breaks en samples of masculinity. It all started when they received consciousness after they was born. Where they came from to complete thét wicked elbow? Bitches world. Vic was a hood en the gripe was their don. Dada the big dick en clown it to absurdism. Cum like it surreal en look to a Black hoodoo for the quickenin. More, he come to absorb the posture -- negate the nig. The naga kvetch to the nuf. Nekgah gon a chasin up thét chump. Woht he got? a jaw packt wiph, off the shelf, dick bitch hustla logic. You a disgrace blackbwoy. …peep thét sorry ass nekgah, alla, yush? He smoket gout, dun. Nah wonderin’ why he bin draggin his sorry ass roun like thét—all tired en shit—nah wonder, cuz. He done gon through mad bud, dun. Where you at dawgbwoy? Whochu doin,cuz? Woof… He fuctup—g’outta da gae, dawg. Cho! from More at 7:30 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:07:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City and Rhino Records present Velvet Underground Tribute at CBGB's Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward --------------- Boog City's Perfect Album Live Series and Rhino Records Present a Howl Festival event: The Velvet Underground Live at Max's Kansas City CD Reissue Party Thursday August 19, 7:00 p.m., $10 CBGB's 315 Bowery (bet. 1st and 2nd streets) Commemorating the Rhino reissue of this classic Velvet Underground album, eight NYC musical acts reinterpret the entire record in a benefit for the Max's Kansas City Foundation, which supports indigent musicians. Musicians performing are: Aaron Seven The Babyskins Dibs and Babs and Dashan The Domestics The Olga Gogolas Schwervon This Invitation Michael Turlo Hosted by Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum Directions: F train to Second Avenue, or 6 train to Bleecker Street. Call 212-842-BOOG(2664) or email editor@boogcity.com for further information http://www.rhino.com/ http://www.cbgb.net http://www.maxskansascity.org http://www.howlfestival.org/ http://www.thebabyskins.com/ http://www.thedomestics.com/ http://www.olivejuicemusic.com/schwervon.html http://turlo.com/ -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:03:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 27 (2004) Arlene Ang | Atocha Station, Where the Line Stopped Arlene Ang lives in Venice, Italy, where she edits the Italian edition of Niederngasse. Her poetry has appeared in Drexel Online Journal, Smiths Knoll (UK), The Pedestal Magazine, Melic Review, and Tattoo Highway. An e-chapbook of her poetry, Dirt Therapy, is hosted by Slow Trains. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:08:25 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: How does one respond? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ishaq wrote: >>Jews were not mentioned.<< True, not in Ishaq's original post, but Ian did mention Jews; also Ishaq's post did include the term Zionist, which includes Jews by definition. See below. >>Zionism does not = Anti-semiticism<< I assume you mean anti-Zionism does not equal anti-semitism which is true--though I must confess, even though I am not always consistent (old habits die hard), I prefer the term Jew-hatred to anti-semitism. Anti-Zionism can indeed mean Jew-hatred, and it has--with often deadly consequences for Jews--and it sometimes still does, and I would say it is incumbent on the person who wants to speak out against Zionism to demonstrate that he or she is not a Jew-hater (which is a much less elegant, if perhaps more expressive and accurate adjectival than anti-semitic), not necessarily in some explicit disclaimer, but in the precision of his or her language, the historical awareness, etc. that he or she brings to the critique. This is a responsibility that comes with presuming to speak, critically or otherwise, about a group one is not a part of, especially when what one is talking about is part of the history of that group's oppression. I make this as a statement of principle, not as a critique of Ishaq or of the person who's writing he posted to this list; I don't know enough about either of them or their work to say anything about them specifically in this regard. >>Jews are not the issue. Nor is Islam.<< Ideally, it would be nice if this were the case, but the fact is that people on both sides of the fence--which is now, of course, literal--make Jews and Judaism and Muslims and Islam the issue and not to address that fact is disingenuous at best and extremely dangerous at worst. What motivated my original post was my own feeling that the exchange engendered by Ishaq's post was about to devolve into a very familiar argument in which neither side really listened to what the other had to say and responded instead to button-pushing language that was button pushing more because it was not precise and not thought through than because the person using it hated Jews or Palestinians or whomever. Ishaq's very terse response, while technically accurate, risks perpetuating that dynamic precisely because it appears to elide issues that, in my opinion at least, should not be elided. Richard _________________________________ Richard Jeffrey Newman Associate Professor, English Chair, International Education Committee Nassau Community College One Education Drive Garden City, NY 11530 O: (516) 572-7612] F: (516) 572-8134 newmanr@ncc.edu www.ncc.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:07:11 +1000 Reply-To: jfk Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jfk Subject: 2004 Notes To A Stranger Poetry Festival kicks off again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies for duplicates, cross posting or if this information does not interest you. Notes To A Stranger invites you to complete the 2004 mission between Sept 4-11. Circulate and participate. Welcome to the 2004 Notes to a Stranger Festival where poets from around the world are asked to join us in creating a new 'public library'. A library that is transient, personal and dynamic. A library forged by the invisible traces inside the 'Seven Degrees of Separation'; where poets leave notes to strangers in the covers of poetry books and then leave them in a specially chosen public space. The books are launched into a life of public nakedness. They become mobile and vagrant. Please join us by completing the template below and fulfilling your mission. To read last year's mission files, visit the www.nationalpoetryweek.com website and click on the S-Files 2003 button. I look forward to litters of poetry books squirming their way through public spaces. If you want to accept the mission, please submit via email by completing the template below. Poet's mission file:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I................................................accept the NPW mission scheduled between the 4-10th September Anticipated Time of book/CD departure:........... Anticipated Place of book/CD departure (place, city, state, country):.. Name of book/CD:.. Contents of note:.. Any comments about the mission:.. Looking forward to your espionage! JFK - Jayne Fenton Keane Director Notes to a Stranger Festival 2003-2004 Director National Poetry Week 2002-2004 www.nationalpoetryweek.com www.poetinresidence.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:05:30 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: <20040813000832.MZUE22270.out012.verizon.net@Richard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the tenor what was the tone of a writ: Native peoples and the poor, the Latinos and Blacks have been and are murdered daily on this stolen land -- stealing land cleansing it of their Original Peoples tends to be habit with certain shade (Y) sets of people. ...the innercity concentration camps, barrios, ghettos to reservations and "occupied' TERRORtory and I'll mention the ghettoization/gentrification of my hood and iraq and afrika possibly all of al jazeera in this the pimped portion of the jazzy era sampled into activity be it for Freedome Justice Equality all of whom are divinity ... are not seperate issues B.U.T a singularity nor are their oppressors seperate for the oppressors claim the the same gang "so go call upon your gang" = tyrannts do you view yourself as a tyrant? 4 U Cee Anthany James Dawson (11 Aug 99), Gerald Kaboni, Frank Paul, Neil Stonechild, over 500 missing native women, 60 + 1 murdered native, black women and poor white women by a white man (w/ a pig farm = swine herder) in kkkanada alone not to mention the united snakes are the issue. not sitting pretty in academia and kvetchin about being impotent over israel oh people We shall call the guards of hell ...and go tell/it/the story/on the mountain tops stout like momotaro how low can U go we gon chase devilz ...now for the tenor what was a poem concerning tone: ...theres nothing gentle about a bomb "...and an outer struggle begins with an inner struggle As our peoples are being assaulted and bullied physically with bombs and shelling and radiations poisoning, as well as, rapes and disease, we are being attacked by the pen and the net and in public with harsh words cruelity and dumb founding callousness. ...and it makes us afraid cuz we live among these people -- it's like discovering that you have walked into nieghbourhood of serial killers and vampires who consider such conduct as normal and civilized. All our morality has been turned round. Killing the poor is good and so is greed as is mass murder. ...and belief in kindness courtesy and compassion is considered foolish. TO be loyal and ethical is something for fools, so we are told. ...and all our passion can be wiped away with a "hit and run" quip and cyber smirk and lowbrow joke to make the bored romans seated in the arena giggle -- we are told today that this is courage. ...B.U.T. what about the thousands dead in Iraq? what about the murder of our native bredden (which our so called 'activist' and 'anarchist' remain impotent in their "activISM' to address)? what about the killing of the poor in British Columbia by the jakes? what about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the ever growing middle-east and the whitemail and harassement by north amerikkkan zionist that we should say nothing about it? what about the gentrification of our hoods? what about using the poor as babymaking machines? what about the left so called activists, who act just like the aryan nation, only they hide behind privialge, white feminism, the gaygousie, consume tofu and claim a safe cause celeb to attack all the samo niggers that the powers have always attacked? What about all the supremacy of the great white north who when confronted or criticized are the first to holla "racism"? as they call a kkkop gang to kill the niggers and the natives and poor? ...again - what about Anthany James Dawson (11 Aug 99)? Gerald Kaboni, Frank Paul? Jeff Berg and the countless others and the daily deaths of our shahada/our martrys? in this the ethnic, cultural and economic cleansing in the western puscht for power and property". 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC Richard Jeffrey Newman wrote: >Ishaq wrote: > > > > > >>>Jews were not mentioned.<< >>> >>> > > > >True, not in Ishaq's original post, but Ian did mention Jews; also Ishaq's >post did include the term Zionist, which includes Jews by definition. See >below. > > > > > >>>Zionism does not = Anti-semiticism<< >>> >>> > > > >I assume you mean anti-Zionism does not equal anti-semitism which is >true--though I must confess, even though I am not always consistent (old >habits die hard), I prefer the term Jew-hatred to anti-semitism. >Anti-Zionism can indeed mean Jew-hatred, and it has--with often deadly >consequences for Jews--and it sometimes still does, and I would say it is >incumbent on the person who wants to speak out against Zionism to >demonstrate that he or she is not a Jew-hater (which is a much less elegant, >if perhaps more expressive and accurate adjectival than anti-semitic), not >necessarily in some explicit disclaimer, but in the precision of his or her >language, the historical awareness, etc. that he or she brings to the >critique. This is a responsibility that comes with presuming to speak, >critically or otherwise, about a group one is not a part of, especially when >what one is talking about is part of the history of that group's oppression. >I make this as a statement of principle, not as a critique of Ishaq or of >the person who's writing he posted to this list; I don't know enough about >either of them or their work to say anything about them specifically in this >regard. > > > > > >>>Jews are not the issue. >>> >>> > >Nor is Islam.<< > > > >Ideally, it would be nice if this were the case, but the fact is that people >on both sides of the fence--which is now, of course, literal--make Jews and >Judaism and Muslims and Islam the issue and not to address that fact is >disingenuous at best and extremely dangerous at worst. > > > >What motivated my original post was my own feeling that the exchange >engendered by Ishaq's post was about to devolve into a very familiar >argument in which neither side really listened to what the other had to say >and responded instead to button-pushing language that was button pushing >more because it was not precise and not thought through than because the >person using it hated Jews or Palestinians or whomever. Ishaq's very terse >response, while technically accurate, risks perpetuating that dynamic >precisely because it appears to elide issues that, in my opinion at least, >should not be elided. > > > >Richard > > > > > >_________________________________ > >Richard Jeffrey Newman > >Associate Professor, English > >Chair, International Education Committee > >Nassau Community College > >One Education Drive > >Garden City, NY 11530 > >O: (516) 572-7612] > >F: (516) 572-8134 > >newmanr@ncc.edu > >www.ncc.edu > > > -- {\rtf1\mac\ansicpg10000\cocoartf102 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset77 Helvetica;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;} \margl1440\margr1440\vieww9000\viewh9000\viewkind0 \pard\tx560\tx1120\tx1680\tx2240\tx2800\tx3360\tx3920\tx4480\tx5040\tx5600\tx6160\tx6720\ql\qnatural \cf0 \ \f0\fs24 --\ -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:01:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 12 Dostoevsky MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed (n.b. The hate that's spilled over on this list recently is frightening. I've lived in Israel. I've been shot at. Let me put it this way - the Jew's are Europe's garbage. Now they're becoming the garbage of the left. Convenient. Fassbinder had it right. So did Sartre. Before you accuse anyone of anything look to yourself. Your tendency.) 12 Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky Dostoevsky _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:11:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: ishaq1823@telus.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit do you not sit pretty are you not aca dem ic epi de (r) mic only askin you are so right but so wrong is it about all that? where do the trees fit in ? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:12:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: ishaq1823@telus.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is british columbia part of the hood? just askin ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 01:29:34 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Re: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: <20040813.034044.-93567.6.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit En fins C’est commes une film C’est folle le pute il trip sur la et voila!!! On combat avec these L’est bloke C’est un joke Like Henny Youngman Une truc amerikkkan post moderne spunkin oneliners thanks to viagra for imitations of the power of a brutha jammin the surreality as they fiddle w/ themselves genet dorme en bliss avec arabie et black panthers Check ca!!! Tous les gars Son!!! lookin for talkshow clammers You bangin naw We a go clappin applausibility drownin out the vorticist Capitalist et Schizophrenie Reversionism Deleuze comme Guatarrie Cee Si je jeux dis Vox Isa The sublime poundin the concrete of amerikkka She burnin S/T bam bam negrophile feel me the denier retourne encore like the beginnin Sound nomme C’est afrikan 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC skyplums@juno.com wrote: >is british columbia part of the hood? just askin > > > ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 06:36:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: How does one respond? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed between manicured lives what you call trees are just lawn ornamants while I think of a good summer breeze full of smoke a natural blend from Mother Earth for those who don't know. >From: Steve Dalachinksy >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: How does one respond? >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 03:11:44 -0400 > >do you not sit pretty >are you not aca >dem >ic >epi de (r) >mic > >only askin you are so right >but so >wrong >is it about >all >that? > >where do the trees fit >in ? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:27:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: How does one respond? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dear Richard- Thank you for your very sincere e-mail, but my intent is not to belittle the sufferings of Jewish people nor to fall into any stereotypes of my people, Roman Catholics (Right now I am practicing with the Church of Lebanon, aka the Maronites who are recognized by the pope but do not follow the Roman mass. In other words, no latin & instead Aremaic. We can discuss the politics of the Roman Catholic Church without offending my faith). However, many of my statements can & will be backed up by the personal stories of political organizers (one in particular) who suffered immensely at the hands of rich Zionists in the United States. I only remember her first name, Rosa, & currently she is organizing (or so I hear) out of NYC. She is more of a legend than a person to me. In my time at SUNY Albany it was a well known fact that the President of the University regularly met with Hillel (please forgive misspelling) and at one particular point in the 1980's or 90's threatened to pull money from an afrikan american group on campus because "they supported anti-semiticism" which was just an outright lie. SUNY Albany students actually had to use underground strategies to bring speakers to the campus to support a platfrom of Diverse resistance. I will not even mention how the organizing for Fred Hampton Jr. was treated (not that I had made any major contribution to it, but I did attend & that introduced me to Dead Prez). Especially after WWII, the world recognizes the suffering of Jews. However, one genocide does not exclude another & personally I can not stand by watching how Isreal uses the language of the Jewish Holocaust to justify their expansion (aren't they planning new settlements every chance they get?). Not to mention the fact that everything Isreal has been doing is against ALL international laws. As Noam Chomsky points out time and time again, the problem is not Isreal or Palestine, but the United States who funds Zionists in Isreal. Everyone knows that GW is superstitious, but has anyone taken into account what a religious nut he might actually be. One good article I read in Albany's Metroland investigated a claim that GW meets regularly with apocolyptic Christians just to make sure everythings kosher so to speak. It is a common perception in MY current town in North Carolina (which I refuse to read any more poetry in) that boys are being born to fight the Christian holy war. Who's crazy for saying Jihad? Ironically wouldn't Palestinians be classified as semetic people? I thought that term referred more to a race than a religion? Again, I could be wrong. John Kerry on the hand is just a good ole fashioned hippocrite. As another article pointed out quite effectively (from a Conservative Republican), there is NO difference between the foreign policy of Kerry & that of Bush. I think I agree. As for sources, wisdom is often best & one particular piece of wisdom I enjoy is "believe none of what you hear & half of what you see." Also, don't forget that the only Catholic President of the United States was SHOT in Texas. It doesn't even matter who pulled the trigger. Ian VanHeusen PS. Don't vote, it only encourages them... from now on I'll just stick to poetry & leave the politicking to the pros. >From: Richard Jeffrey Newman >Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: How does one respond? >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:06 -0400 > >To Ishaq's emails--which are often, if I remember correctly, postings of >other people's writings as well as his own--regarding the >Palestinian-Israeli conflict, to Stephen Baraban's critique of it, to Ian's >defense of it, to Jill Stengel's critique of excerpts of Ian's email, to >what has seemed to me for some time now the nearly impossible task of >finding a language in which to talk about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict: > >That does not conflate the specifics of a particular religious rhetoric >with >the people who practice all the myriad forms that religion might take; > >That does not conflate age-old canards--Jew-hating; Arab-hating; take your >pick--with the legitimate desire to understand and explain, investigate and >critique, the politics of those two communities--here, in the Middle East, >in France, Malaysia, again: take your pick; > >A language that does not personalize what are reasonable questions about >those communities, no matter how uncomfortable those questions might be to >members of those communities, i.e., the fact that, to quote Ian, "jihad is >a >universal term that refers to the spirit of Islam," does not mean that the >bloody and violent version of jihad promulgated by sectors within the >Muslim >community is not now part of Islam that stands in relation to the other >meaning(s) of jihad that also exist; the fact that Jew-hating canards about >Jewish money make it uncomfortable for Jews to think about the power and >influence that money gives to Jews does not mean that Jews in the United >States do not have some--and I mean here a very equivocal "some"--power and >influence that we have an obligation to take responsibility for, especially >in relation to the more far-reaching powerlessness and marginaliztion in >this country of Arabs and Muslims; > >A language that does not take itself so seriously that it loses sight of >how >sarcasm and humor can be effective tools in finding the language I am >talking about--and I should add that this is not a left-handed attempt to >defend the comments by Ian that Jill critiques--"However, EVERYONE >recognizes the injustices done to the Palestinians. Well, sorry, except for >some rich Jews in NY" and "the Jews do have a strong base in key states (ie >New York and probably Florida) and major Universities (ie SUNY >Albany)"--which, even if they were meant in some sort of jest, were not >funny. I am thinking more of Ian's closing statement--"Think twice though, >because the leader of the Free Palestine movement in Albany is a practicing >Jew, Naomi Jaffi... Weather Underground what what!--which seemed clearly to >me to be his own response to the generalizations he'd made earlier; > >A language that does not force allegiance to one side or the other to >demand >of us that we lose sight of the other side's humanity. I am thinking of >this >quote from Susan Sontag's, "To an Israeli Jew, a photograph of a child torn >apart in the attack on the Sbarro pizzeria in downtown Jerusalem is first >of >all a photograph of Jewish child killed by a Palestinian suicide-bomber. To >a Palestinian, a photograph of a child torn apart by a tank round in Gaza >is >first of all a photograph of a Palestinian child killed by Israeli >ordinance. To the militant, identity is everything." And precisely because >the people who will find whatever lasting resolution comes out of this >conflict will not be militants--assuming the resolution is not mutual >destruction--we need to find a way of talking about it that does not get us >mired in identity issues. > >As a Jew, I find the generalizations made in Ian's email troubling and I >find as well the use of the label Zionist in Ishaq's reposting to be >troubling as well--each participates, or potentially participates, in a >long >history of worldwide anti-Semitism that no Jewish person can afford to >ignore, and it seems to me that people who want to talk about the role of >Zionism in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict--and Zionism absolutely plays a >role--and/or about the role of Jews as a relatively powerful minority in >the >United States, and perhaps elsewhere in the world, have a responsibility to >educate themselves about the history of the rhetoric they wish to employ, >not because, as some people in my wife's family have informed me--my wife >is >a Muslim--"no one is allowed to criticize the Jews," but because, just as >Muslims have a right to expect that anyone entering into a discussion of >jihad will at least attempt to understand that concept in its simplicity >and >its complexity from the Muslim point of view, and to understand how the >term >has been used against Muslims in the past, Jews have the right to expect >that people wanting to talk about our community will do the same in terms >of >the way we talk about our own community and the way in which the world has >talked about us. > >It is not a Muslim's job to educate me about Islam, especially when he >feels >himself in endangered by a group that I belong to--even if I do not support >what the group is doing--and nor is it my job to educate someone who is not >Jewish about their own attitudes regarding Jews. The work of learning about >and accepting The Other is work we have to do first and foremost by >ourselves and for ourselves; otherwise, it is empty work. > >Now, having said all that, I think it is also important to point out that >the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not simply one of Muslim vs. Jew. There >are Christian Palestinians and there are Israelis who are not Jewish, and I >am not thinking only here about Israeli-Arabs, and, for me, the fact that >the conflict is so often represented, on both sides, as one between two >religious groups--Jews and Muslims--suggests why it is so important not to >trust the religious rhetoric of either side when it is employed to >describe, >define or propose modes of action in response to or solutions for the >conflict. It is almost impossible, once you get people's ideas about their >particular god involved, to get past the immovable block of identity, >because there will always be, on either side, the sneaking suspicion that >"my god is bigger than your god," or, to be more specific, that "my god is >right and your god is, if not wrong, then certainly less right." > >There is a great deal more to say on this, I imagine, but I am looking at >the clock and I need to get to the library and do some work. > >Cheers! > >Richard > > >Richard Newman >Associate Professor, English >Chair, International Studies Committee >Nassau Community College >One Education Drive >Garden City, NY 11530 >O: (516) 572-7612 >F: (516) 572-8134 >newmanr@ncc.edu >www.ncc.edu _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:11:21 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Bikes Against Bush - an Internet-enabled protest Comments: cc: research MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this reminds me of MOntreal's Bikeshevik Velorutionaries. fucking brilliant! Subject: [noRNC] Bikes Against Bush - an Internet-enabled protest I wanted to tell you about Bikes Against Bush, an exciting project I am producing for the upcoming Republican National Convention. Bikes Against Bush is a one-of-a-kind, interactive protest/performance that occurs simultaneously online and on the streets of NYC during the upcoming Republican National Convention. Using a Wireless Internet-enabled bicycle outfitted with a custom-designed printing device, the Bikes Against Bush bicycle can print spray-chalk text messages sent from web users directly onto the streets of Manhattan. Please visit http://www.bikesagainstbush.com for more info and to watch a video of the Bikes Against Bush bicycle in action. During the convention, online users will be able to follow the performance on the website as well as send a message to the bicycle in real-time. So, even if you can't be in New York to oppose the GOP, you can interject your anti-Bush sentiments directly onto the city streets through Bikes Against Bush. Exact performance times will be announced on the website in the coming weeks. If you wish to support this exciting project, please consider contributing a donation through the website at: http://www.bikesagainstbush.com. Thank you so much for all your efforts. With your help we can send a message to America and send George Bush back to Crawford, TX, this November. Sincerely, Joshua Kinberg PS: Please feel free to forward this message on. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 07:02:57 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one chi tip to tip to tip... mornin'....drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:31:17 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian, you wrote that >>many of my statements can & will be backed up by the personal stories of political organizers (one in particular) who suffered immensely at the hands of rich Zionists in the United States.<< I do not doubt that these stories are true; certainly there are people in the Jewish community who, through conscious, racist intent or willfully ignorant and therefore no less malign neglect, could care less about the Palestinians and are perfectly happy to support Israel in its policies. The fact that those personal stories are true, however, does not absolve you, or anyone, of the responsibility of being precise in your language. I note, for example, that in your last post you referred to rich Jews, while in this one you refer to rich Zionists, a big difference, though it is problematic for me that anyone, including Jews, would use the term Zionist as if it represented a monolithic entity, because it never has, and I want to be clear that I am not saying people should not use the term Zionist in a critique of Israel. I am saying only that when people choose to use the term, they have a responsibility to make sure they understand as full a history of what they are talking about as possible. You also, in your post, make reference to the fact that since World War II everyone knows about the suffering of the Jews. And, yes, I agree with you that it is shameful for Israel to try to justify what it is doing using Holocaust rhetoric; though the rhetoric arguing for a Jewish state--whether or not you support its existence as such--looks a whole lot different if you consider it from the perspective of the Jews in Europe, whose lives up until the 19th century resembled in many ways the lives that people of color, especially but not only poor people of color, live in the United States, including, if you include Nazi Germany and the 20th century, slavery. My point is that the Jew-hatred and the "suffering of the Jews" neither began nor ended with the Holocaust; it has a long, long history, especially in Europe within the Roman Catholic Church--which is a historical fact, not a dig--and just as it is important to understand, say, the history or racism in the US if one wants to talk responsibly about racism in the US today; or just as it is important to understand the history of the Palestinians if one wants to talk responsibly about the Palestinians today; it is important to understand the history of Jew-hatred and of the Jews' response to that hatred in all the various places Jews have lived if one wants to talk responsibly about the Jews today. Now, I do not mean that one needs to know everything before one can speak, but it does mean that one should take responsibility for what one does and does not know. There is a big difference between telling a personal story about "a rich Zionist" or a college president or whoever, who behaved as you describe them behaving and suggesting that there are probably--because of course there are--a group of people who share that person's values and making generalizations about rich Jews or rich Zionists. The former grounds what you are saying in personal experience; the latter makes you sound like you are indeed spouting stereotypes that are not only Jew-hating--and I am not accusing you here, only describing what those generalizations sound like--but will, almost by definition, end whatever dialogue might have been possible. Richard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:37:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "St. Thomasino" Subject: Nick Piombino, In Search of Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 9 I (too) have been trying to contact Mr. Piombino. My emails are being bounced back as spam! Nick, please contact Gregory! 9 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:20:59 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: ishaq1823@telus.net In-Reply-To: <411C3E0A.3030504@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ishaq, you wrote, in part: >>do you view yourself as a tyrant?.... 4 U Cee Anthany James Dawson (11 Aug 99), Gerald Kaboni, Frank Paul, Neil Stonechild, over 500 missing native women, 60 + 1 murdered native, black women and poor white women by a white man (w/ a pig farm = swine herder) in kkkanada alone not to mention the united snakes are the issue. not sitting pretty in academia and kvetchin about being impotent over Israel<< I will not deny that my life, now, is immeasurably more privileged than the people about whom you are writing, than many of my students, who come from the kinds of communities you are talking about, and that I benefit, in ways that I sometimes can and in ways that I very often cannot, from the political system that grants me the privilege in the first place. It was not always like that. I know what it means to be poor, and I know what it means on two different fronts to be stalked and hunted, and I do not use those words as metaphors, because of who and what you are--on one front because I was a boy and on the other because I was a Jew--and I am very aware of how fortunate I am to have survived in each of those cases. I am also very aware of how irrelevant and rarefied and even irresponsible the kind of questions I was asking in my post can seem to someone who is, as I am not now, on the front lines of the battle you describe, and I do not deny that it is a battle. I try to take responsibility for the privilege of my position in any number of ways, including the form and content of my teaching--which I think is a kind of activism, as do many of my colleagues, and which is why it will not surprise me if academia does not become in its own way a front line as well. But I also think that asking the kinds of questions I was asking in the post to which you are responding, precisely because I have the luxury of distance from the situation in question, is a way of taking responsibility, because it is a way of using that distance to insist that people talk about things responsibly. Not that I would expect a Palestinian living under occupation, or any of the people in the communities you refer to, to care one iota about my questions; my questions will not help them survive physically and without physical survival, my questions are worse than irrelevant; they are an insult. But my questions were not directed at people in the immediate line of fire; they were directed at people who have the privilege and the luxury of conversing with each other over the internet, and those people, in my opinion, especially because they are not in the line of fire, have a responsibility to speak with each other in the ways that I am suggesting we are all responsible for doing. Ultimately, real coalitions, coalitions that last and that make a real difference, are built on the ability of people to talk to each other meaningfully across differences that might at first seem insurmountable, and that means learning about each other and each other's history from within its own perspective and respecting that perspective, and accepting its meaningfulness to the other side, even when you don't agree with it. Finding language that makes that kind of communication possible is damned hard, but it matters, in its own way, as much as any other kind of activism. Richard ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:13:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: How does one respond? Comments: To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net In-Reply-To: <20040813132106.EQAU26805.out003.verizon.net@YOUR6DDD04B03A> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" it seems to me that we all --ian, ishaq (lyb), richard, alan, etc --want to alleviate --in this case by calling attention to -- suffering, oppression and exploitation in the world. not all jews are zionists, not all zionists are racist, etc. i tend to agree w/ richard that one should try to be aware of what one does and doesn't know; i tend to agree w/ ishaq that ultimately, jews and muslims aren't the issue. does that mean that ultimately, any kind of "identity" isn't the issue? it seems that suffering, exploitation and oppression, while often organized around various axes of identity, are not limited to identitarian means of self-perpetuation. i try to view myself as a tyrant and a victim and a free person --both encumbered and unencumbered by the constraints of human suffering in all its guises and modalities --at all moments. i also v much appreciate the respectful tone that everyone seems to be engaging. these are volatile issues indeed and i hesitated before getting involved, but i see a considerable amount of goodwill on all sides, so i decided to take the plunge. xo, md At 9:20 AM -0400 8/13/04, Richard Jeffrey Newman wrote: >Ishaq, you wrote, in part: > > >>>do you view yourself as a tyrant?.... > >4 U Cee > >Anthany James Dawson (11 Aug 99), Gerald Kaboni, Frank Paul, Neil >Stonechild, >over 500 missing native women, 60 + 1 murdered native, black women and >poor >white women by a white man (w/ a pig farm = swine herder) in kkkanada >alone not to mention the united snakes >are the issue. > >not sitting pretty in academia and kvetchin about being impotent over >Israel<< > >I will not deny that my life, now, is immeasurably more privileged than the >people about whom you are writing, than many of my students, who come from >the kinds of communities you are talking about, and that I benefit, in ways >that I sometimes can and in ways that I very often cannot, from the >political system that grants me the privilege in the first place. It was not >always like that. I know what it means to be poor, and I know what it means >on two different fronts to be stalked and hunted, and I do not use those >words as metaphors, because of who and what you are--on one front because I >was a boy and on the other because I was a Jew--and I am very aware of how >fortunate I am to have survived in each of those cases. I am also very aware >of how irrelevant and rarefied and even irresponsible the kind of questions >I was asking in my post can seem to someone who is, as I am not now, on the >front lines of the battle you describe, and I do not deny that it is a >battle. I try to take responsibility for the privilege of my position in any >number of ways, including the form and content of my teaching--which I think >is a kind of activism, as do many of my colleagues, and which is why it will >not surprise me if academia does not become in its own way a front line as >well. But I also think that asking the kinds of questions I was asking in >the post to which you are responding, precisely because I have the luxury of >distance from the situation in question, is a way of taking responsibility, >because it is a way of using that distance to insist that people talk about >things responsibly. Not that I would expect a Palestinian living under >occupation, or any of the people in the communities you refer to, to care >one iota about my questions; my questions will not help them survive >physically and without physical survival, my questions are worse than >irrelevant; they are an insult. But my questions were not directed at people >in the immediate line of fire; they were directed at people who have the >privilege and the luxury of conversing with each other over the internet, >and those people, in my opinion, especially because they are not in the line >of fire, have a responsibility to speak with each other in the ways that I >am suggesting we are all responsible for doing. > >Ultimately, real coalitions, coalitions that last and that make a real >difference, are built on the ability of people to talk to each other >meaningfully across differences that might at first seem insurmountable, and >that means learning about each other and each other's history from within >its own perspective and respecting that perspective, and accepting its >meaningfulness to the other side, even when you don't agree with it. Finding >language that makes that kind of communication possible is damned hard, but >it matters, in its own way, as much as any other kind of activism. > > >Richard -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:27:39 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Post Knew It Had Another Gulf Of Tonkin On Its Hands Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ The Washington Post on WMDs--- An Inside Job: Post Knew It Had Another Gulf Of Tonkin On Its Hands And Like Congress It Lied As Iraqis And Americans Die[d]: Prewar Articles Questioning Threat Often Didn't Make Front Page-- Page R97: Cheney's Oil Gouge At The Pump Fuckin' Up Roger Noriega's Ability To Murder Chavez And Allow Cheney To Steal Venezuela's Oil; Greed Blinds De Facto Chief Executive And Corporate Paramour; Noriega Hopes Referendum Leads To Chavez's Murder, Resumes Starvation Of Poor, Opens Venezuelan Oil To American Grift: People Protecting Their Houses Of Worship Butchered By Americans In Najaf By BOWAND KURTZY They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:11:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: new ebook Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Different Birds, a new ebook by yours truly, at http://www.shearsman.com/pages/books/ebooks/ebooks_home.html. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:14:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grotjohn Subject: contact information MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have e-mail addresses for Walter Lew and/or Myung Mi Kim. I = hav a few quick questions about a few references each uses. Thanks. 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__ hexture isbn 82-92428-18-6 wreathus isbn 82-92428-08-9 pre.txt isbn 82-92428-13-5 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:42:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hilton Obenzinger Subject: Re: How does one respond? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Agonies of language are entwined within the Israeli-Palestinian conflict -- and that's not just Arabic and Hebrew. Even the terms for expressing elements of the struggle, even the names of entire peoples, are contested. So, it's always appropriate to discuss this on a list that engages in language. The construction of "rich Jews" is one that echoes classic anti-Semitism (and anti-Semitism in this instance is animus towards Jews, specifically). However, there are indeed rich Jews who number among the supporters of the most extremist settlers -- Moskowitz from Miami who has gotten rich over gambling casinos, for example. Jews also number amongst the most outspoken opponents of the Israeli occupation, and some of them are even rich (not this Jew, though). All of this is complicated further by the concerted campaign on the part of the Zionist movement since the 1973 to equate Judaism with Zionism. Consequently, Jews who criticize Israel have been too easily labeled as "self-hating Jews," while non-Jewish critics are too easily dismissed as "anti-Semites." Now, add to this that the biggest supporters of Israel are Christian fundamentalists -- whose theological vision involves the death of most Jews in order for their god to return to earth, in other words a pro-Zionist stance that is, also, inherently anti-Semitic (I rate any religious or other scenario that invokes the murder of Jews as anti-Semitic). Given the confusions (deliberate or not) on all sides, it is almost impossible to discuss the conflict without displaying either anti-Semitism or anti-Arab/anti-Muslim bigotry or both simultaneously. Still, intelligent people need to make an effort to peel back all the layers of confusion. Yet further: the West seems to have confronted (at least to a degree) the crimes of the mass murder of European Jews, while it has not come anywhere close to confronting its crimes of colonialism. The media, of course, does a lot to enforce all these attitudes and linguistic constructions -- helped by AIPAC and others who "educate" the media and put the squeeze on politicians. Today, for example, there is an article in the New York Times about how the Mayor of Jerusalem, Ehud Olmert, has become something of a "dove" after being one of the most rightwing exponents of a "Greater Israel." His logic is that he cannot advocate the continued occupation because it would mean absorbing too many Arabs (who remain within the 1967 borders but also in the West Bank and Gaza after previous "ethnic cleansing" wars) and he would have to choose between a Jewish state that would be non-democratic and a democratic state that may encompass a majority of Palestinians. Apparently, he has abandoned his mentor Jabotinsky's policy of "transfer" -- pushing out by force the remaining Palestinians -- in favor of what one Israeli peace advocate has termed "slow motion transfer," a drawn-out war of attrition to expel as many Palestinians from areas of the West Bank he intends Israel to keep through economic and other forms of misery (such as the current wall dividing farmers from their fields). The Times does not seem to recognize that his move towards what appears to be a dovish stance is still predicated on notions of ethnic superiority and colonial expropriation. I could go on at length -- and I have in the past. Others should sort this through. Meanwhile, I gave a presentation at a conference last Spring on these relationships (as well as the notion of patriotism in America) called "On Being a Traitor." It will be published in a journal eventually, but if you would like to read it, send me a message and I'll send it to you via Word attachment. Hilton Obenzinger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hilton Obenzinger, PhD. Associate Director for Honors Writing, Undergraduate Research Programs Lecturer, Department of English Stanford University 415 Sweet Hall 650.723.0330 650.724.5400 Fax obenzinger@stanford.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:54:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Platt Subject: Simplicity II MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Presence justified. A agreement is better than concordance tension. Sit in the back with an open book although is better than despite the fact that perhaps a pen body is better than remains buried is better than interred and paper. This is not yet suspicious. burned is better than destroyed by fire No one cares what you have to say. Stenciled windbreakers assume city people is better than urban people coffin is better than casket homeowners insurance covers hypothetical broken noses gossip and advice leaded gloves iron will rust Prize danger is better than precariousness the discontinuity of parts false IDs died is better than passed away or succumbed dog is better than canine farming is better than agriculture black lips and plastic pants while you can fear is better than apprehension fire is better than conflagration The phrase “Oh please fireman is better than fire laddie funeral is better than obsequies (drawn out with fools and fooling girl is better than lassie in ellipsis) … horse is better than domesticated quadruped aside. Let’s talk about the movies leg is better than limb to forestall conversation. man is better than gentleman Can you rock marriage is better than nuptials money is better than lucre like rainman? Does she watch nearness is better than contiguity theft is better than larceny your face as you speak? truth is better than veracity At the beginning she told you she cried at the end. to understand is better than comprehend Alone with the hum woman is better than lady we sing if we're lucky. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:28:31 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: death is the haiku (i didn't write) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel Bleating horns, irate pedestrians, and impatient scooters One doesn't have to get along with the other the idea if I don't feel can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel a convicted killer, had fled her home I need a bitch to touch my soul spots prowler 8 August 2004 can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel can you fuck like a angel ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:58:15 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Penton Subject: here's a response... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the Importance of Discussing the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict on = Poetry Lists "I've got more important things to busy myself with than you and your = salt. I want to do something about China, communism, and the grape = growers in California." "What's wrong with China?" "There's no political democracy there," said Lieberman grumpily, "and no = freedom of the press." "No shit," said Gold with feigned amazement. "What did you have in = mind?" "A manifesto, of course, by me, in the form of a petition, with a list = of non-negotiable demands, insisting they change. I'll need supporting = names." "Count me in," said Gold. "And a special issue of my magazine in which you and others express my = feelings in two thousand words." "How much will you pay?" "Nothing." "Count me out." Lieberman retorted with the savage fervor of a maddened fanatic. "You = want nine hundred million Chinese to be without political freedom just = because you won't give up a few bucks? Joseph Heller, "Good as Gold"=20 -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:25:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: dubuffet project Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" dear all: miekal has posted the dubuffet titles on lewis lacook's wiki for all to play with, at http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/index.php some others have responded w/ delightful things. anny ballardini, martha deed, diane wald, christopher rizzo. dubuffet seems to bring out something nice and fun in people. -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:41:43 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: [russ.smith@sympatico.ca: LCP: touring Oz and NZ] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT can anyone help this feller? rob ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: russ.smith@sympatico.ca ("E. Russell Smith") To: russ.smith@sympatico.ca (russ Smith) Subject: LCP: touring Oz and NZ Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 10:24:47 -0400 I will be in Sydney Australia Oct. 12-15, and in Christchurch NZ Oct. 15-21. If anyone knows of literary activities in those places at those times, where I might attend and/or participate (readings, open mics, etc.), please let me know. Cheers Russ -- E. Russell Smith Ottawa "Hope is the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out." -- Vaçlav Havel --------------------------------------------------------------------------- League of Canadian Poets: http://www.poets.ca -- league@ican.net --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to 'majordomo@lights.com' with 'unsubscribe poets-list' in the body of the message. -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:38:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Unsure Passenger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed the rubies been backwards in that verbatim Wormswork Kingdom fact the rubies note their filched fellow is pursuing Wormswork upon his very forehead tho very distant, see these glances are head-bare tonight, crossed one head with two faces (which face, to begin with? Wordsworth or Wormswork? reminds me of when a child read The Martian Chronicles as a novel, never having encountered a collection of short stories before, wondering why the characters never came back, not having seen them die or having any other explanation - might as well give the kid Ulysses to read - later, knowing what a book of short stories was, encountered Roderick Usher again, via Poe), what came before is already the away utterance when excuses reached their own forms, they're reviving with loose body interest, loaned a mouth for trial, but which mouth will go on to tell the outcome? the mouth that flutters in a sleepy face? - something about When Husks Are Patches, maybe double back and sing with hands, Wormswork, more than one way, yes, but hope they, the rubies, for instance, see it as applause _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:24:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: the Recapitulation of NIKUKO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the Recapitulation of NIKUKO digital analog death of thousands corporeal rather the blessing of the GOOD LORD digital analog death of thousands corporeal insanity everywhere in this world, among friends and the covenant of the final remnant - the digital is based on epistemology and uniformity what the hell are we fighting for hold the course and never swerve now escape through others creatively the analog mapping is analogy impetus against the wall of writing from which i our bombs will cut a deeper nerve the digital is always doubly-encoded bomb in fury without pity the real is infinite raster unbearable. sexuality became a furious untethering the witnesses! form is extruded raster in freedom we'll destroy this city violence and the tension is coward, fearful of any fuck them first and kill them later the integral calculus inheres within the analog freedom makes us all the greater the differential calculus inheres within the digital world. i still live there; i'm a i can't go on this stupid rhyme the darkness of the hurtling the signature is analogous to the body untethering languagings! the digital and analog chiasmus at the limit those lines are entirely effaced or to work out the relations with my among the leaders and disciples who can testify genre. why didn't other people tell the digital is simultaneously eternal and ephemeral and who can sing the praises of resolute deity no more! no more! technology is the substructure of the digital them. i didn't know better about on above the cliffs or over the technological substructure temporally splays and leaks when nothing shall prevent catastrophe or disappearance among the shuddering of not both this and that - the analog is atemporal and time is analogical when we were floating over the a sentence through every sentence aimed his gun in my direction we have been given wisdom and understanding a world through every world on the knife-blade edge of all disappearance - virginity just about the time a soldier cold and strung-out energy and matter - fluid mechanics of the analog and mechanics of the digital or sometime lost my rather the blessing of the GOOD LORD insanity everywhere in this world, among friends and the covenant of the final remnant - the digital is based on epistemology and uniformity what the hell are we fighting for nonfictionally. i've seen far too much the blood will spill upon the hill the digital is always already a mapping bomb in fury without pity the real is infinite raster unbearable. sexuality became a furious untethering the witnesses! form is extruded raster in freedom we'll destroy this city violence and the tension is coward, fearful of any fuck them first and kill them later the integral calculus inheres within the analog freedom makes us all the greater the differential calculus inheres within the digital world. i still live there; i'm a i can't go on this stupid rhyme the darkness of the hurtling the signature is analogous to the body untethering languagings! the digital and analog chiasmus at the limit those lines are entirely effaced or to work out the relations with my among the leaders and disciples who can testify genre. why didn't other people tell the digital is simultaneously eternal and ephemeral and who can sing the praises of resolute deity no more! no more! technology is the substructure of the digital them. i didn't know better about among the shuddering of not both this and that - the analog is atemporal and time is analogical when we were floating over the a sentence through every sentence aimed his gun in my direction we have been given wisdom and understanding a world through every world on the knife-blade edge of all disappearance - virginity just about the time a soldier __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:33:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The American Casket Company Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Walking Theory #71: The American Casket Company "No Customer Left Unsatisfied" Muskogee, Oklahoma 1910 * In an odd country go intimate: * Walking, the body a lit wick Each eye - flickering: * The lavender lip on her tong Over the wide, chrome-spiked, leather belt Under her dark brown - no tattoo - spine. * Magnolia trees in full blossom In the high, thick green leaves: The soft white, unfolding blossoms A hemstitch - various - the trees At the upper edge of the Park. * Summer at Delfina's: Bolinas Halibut, Naiman Farm Flank steak, Fulton Valley chicken, Blue Lake beans Strips of Zucchini, a pesto called Falsetto: one eats Both signs and language, as well as the, humm, Incredible, to put it delicately, extraordinary cuisine. * Brown bread slices tossed off curb's edge A dozen white & gray pigeons pecking from each center out. On the gray asphalt each brown crust forms an empty rectangle, The edges slightly curved. What is emptied evolves. What stays: continuity, form, The integrity of impoverished frames. * Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:32:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha L Deed Subject: Re: dubuffet project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Maria. Here is Furtive Concert http://www.sporkworld.org/Deed/furtiveconcert.html Martha Deed On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:25:54 -0500 Maria Damon writes: > dear all: > miekal has posted the dubuffet titles on lewis lacook's wiki for > all > to play with, at http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/index.php > some others have responded w/ delightful things. anny ballardini, > martha deed, diane wald, christopher rizzo. dubuffet seems to > bring > out something nice and fun in people. > -- > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:39:29 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "david.bircumshaw" Subject: Re: How does one respond? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does one respond indeed? I'm English, and live in one of the most mixed-race cities in Europe. It doesn't bother me, about the only prejudices I have are a dislike for people from Wolverhampton and a secret fantasy that Birmingham City will one day win the European Cup. Now that's unreality indeed!!! Best Dave David Bircumshaw Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet & Painting Without Numbers http://www.chidesalphabet.org.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:07:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Kakapo Blues by the AvianAutonomyChorus Comments: To: webartery@yahoogroups.com, spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listen to the Kakapo Blues by the AvianAutonomyChorus NOW PLAYING on GroupThink http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/index.php?GroupThink something is not as it seems ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:01:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Walking Theory #67 - 70 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit all very nice ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 02:00:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: The American Casket Company MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit very nice indeed ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:21:13 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: The Caucasian Walk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit why did you hurt me we "believe" in dark matter world's deepest subterranean vertical drop in Croatia marking my territory - speleologists, botanists and hikers from around the world Hear the Call ov Auld Europa - a cold wind, wolf chromosome, remainder of nights spent half-asleep in snow pure white snow luminal under the pine skies and the lean and evil mob of moon-coloured hunters J-L Borges knew what I am talking about we were the best because we were the only ones "Antropofagia" was very important in distant cityscape and we're going at it like rabbits why did you hurt me madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on madman of the tortures inflicted on against the modern world - again the modem words day I would not wear jeans probably a pair of trousers and a 'minutes after call' blood sweating from the air in this torture garden of ours teared apart one hundred pieces but still light pouring out of me steel light yeah i have no way of saying it differently i am not a helper nor a guide closed eye up yr heart huh Czesc, o my polish friends our gods shall never die for no one can kill a stone run south of the border for we shant kneel to the cross why did you hurt me day and "exist" when relativity reality of ideal - a mere illusion hiding that there is no illusion now fugees in our turn - a fate from our fathers' raving and proud and destructive hacer un porro? mais l'absinthe 404 file not found oxidized occident no more psychopomps in our pornographic industries like the way in different languages your cunt is a soft bed of pills I'll Be With You Always ... Ever Together ... Eternally Bonded ... Never Apart ... Always ... in our ship yards, the raid on the coast of Dieppe was crucial anti-production a sort of desire and intensity? nude in slow-motion ground zero Subject: Recovering From A Breakup it is irreparable... down and roads twisted yell may she be the horizon she deserves loin encore... on est aussi dozens of former jihadis to decipher why did you hurt me from beyond the swamps he wrote me "i adore you" Je ferais mieux de partir, le nouveau mur, sang postopératoire sous-cutané d’un traumatisme direct, le risque d'être sous X - deux ans de mise à l'épreuve, nobody knew what DNA - bloodlines versus une obligation de soins psychiatriques, menaces et autres diffamations CIA agents to my hotel room in before Kabul fell like an urban legend to me. Are you sure? For example, dissident behind indicates that of class action suit write a love letter to globule living with pig fetishist when i'm dead eat my body because we tried to eat your soul let me be your occidental protégé ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:02:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Codespeak & Liquid Swords (Poetics for Revolution) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Although it has been understood that linguistics, poetics, & all the faculties of spirituality were employed by slaves in the American South to organize underground resistance through coded & open communication, the depth of these systems probably should become the focus for the poetics of Revolution. To date, the focus of activism has been to spread as opposed to concentrate around the local, to narrow & produce results. In this manner, LangoPo would be seen not as a garbbled mess (which it often is) but a new plateau for the ability to spread underground information through public spaces that are quickly be limited (as show by the Spam attack e-mail of Ishaq's) or better yet a direct attack on Centralized society itself (monoculture etc.). Misinformation was the key term for Cointelpro in the 60's & 70's, but I think the outright destruction of channels of information will be the new policy of Homeland Security. In my humble opinion, the last possibility of producing a common area for the non-commerical exchange of information only exists on the internet. All other facets of life, with the notable except of some indigenous cultures, have been commericialized & are primarily controled by the logic of capitalism. In this sense, schools teach but they also destroy the possibility of free exchange. I recommend Liquid Swords not for its content (Bitches Whores & drugs) but rather for its central claim, and in my opinion that claim is that Hip-hop at its nature organized & maintained huge underground networks of drug trafficking & communication. As my dear friend Victorio Reyes has put it, hip-hop communicates across the world to oppressed peoples everywhere (bad paraphrase). The comparison is to the spiritual & physical confict of Eastern Martial Arts masters. In a world of violence, they claim to be the hardest individuals. In this sense, Liquid Swords is an incomplete guide to street knowledge (you really should listen to it very closely). Furthermore, it was written before 911 & outlines many layers of Cells that may or may not have existed in NYC. Connecting Brooklyn to Staten Island, etc. Cell Theory was developed by the CIA & given to the Mujahadeen, but in reality it probably started & was developed by organized crime. It is my opinion that all future wars (except for the monolithic occupations of the world powers) will be faught primarily using cells. The results of this kind of warfare is never victory & defeat but rather the continued fragmentation of centralized societies (such as the United States) who have everything to lose by tribal societies. In conclusion, this is a bit of a garbled mess, but the Fear of Terrorism is more of a government superstition to maintain the status quo then a reality for most Americans. Furthermore, my true concern is that without a drastic redefinition of society very soon (a revolution) the world could very well end in Nuclear Holocaust not an apocoloypse. With centralized power more & more being threatened by the society at large, it is scary to think that as a last resort leaders such as GW might resort to a Nuclear attack. Do we really know how crazy those guys are? Ian VanHeusen _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:30:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: A little biography of a Revolutionary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am currently seeking a publisher for my first book, I figured I would explain myself a bit to illustrate where I "am coming from." Hello my name is Ian VanHeusen, who one might call a chameleon who never changes his colors once he has decided upon them. My color is the black of Anarchismo or Zapatismo depending on how you want to approach the subject. I am currently broke & without a job but I do not have to worry because my father is high brass in the United States Army & he fought hard for his reputation (Panama, Berlin, 101st, 82nd Infantry, Iraq part 1 where he was actually in Iraq for the entire ground war, Saudia Arabia, Marine Amphibious Warfare School, the list is probably a lot longer). He is probably the best example of what Rumsfeld wanted to create as the new army (modeled slightly after the German Bliztkreig), the army of one. He was offered a job working for Homeland Security. In other words, he has recieved cross training in many fields (Ranger, Air Assault, Marines) & has a shit ton of experience. His accomplishments are public, and he enlisted into the military to pay off college. At the time he had three children & could barely make a living as a carpenter (no joke, so don't even say it) outside of Buffalo. It is difficult to explain where I am from because I was 2 when my father first joined the Army. As a child I was considered mentally handicapped because I did not learn to speak until the age of 4 (and I had a thick German accent), but since then I have always had very good grades (not that it means anything). Furthermore, my father converted to Catholicism from Protestantism because he found it difficult to deal with the in fighting of Christian Politics. Furthermore, he never talks about religion. My sister is currently stationed in Ansbach Germany where she is strongly considering going to Iraq, actually might request it. One of her assignments was as a foreign advisor to the Isreal Army, which is ironic because many people often confuse her and me as being Jewish (not that there is anything wrong with that). She is a single beautiful West Point Grad who has never known life outside of the Army. My brother is a football coach at Princeton and looks completely different from my sister & me. As for wars, my family (the VanHeusen side) proudly states that we have fought in every major war that this country has every had. Ask my Grandma. As such, it has always been taught to us that to fight for oneself & one's country (better yet one's cause) is the most important thing that can be done. Consequently, I often come off as very militant. Jee I wonder why. My family has a saying for the difference between Military life & everything else. We call everything else, "The real world." As for my politics, I will gladly say that my family has done its time, but maybe it is more important to pay for the crime. One more tidbit, I am a descendant of the Mayflower (White) so one might say that I am "all American." My mom side is Irish-French Catholic now running 4 or 5 generations off the boat. Nice huge family full of Catholic stereotypes, she had 12 brothers & sisters & her first meal at a nice restaurant was a date with my father. If you think you can sympathize with the life of an army brat, then you really better be brilliant. Sadly, I forgot to worry about if my dad was coming home & he was gone often. My pen name is Crazy Cloud Peace, PS. My dad told my mother that he has never killed anyone & I believe him. Warriors don't have to kill to accomplish the mission. _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:20:38 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Czeslaw Milosz 1911-2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040814_465.html http://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/milosz/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 20:12:59 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Insomnia 1945 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Stand up and fight we live in a permanent state of total war Since divorce from my vanilla long-term La Marquise sortit à cinq heures + + + hypermodern Aren't you paying attention to me? < your friends - siemanko, Jola < your enemies < your employees < yourself - Is someone using your name? < yourself - Is someone using you? wo - o - o - you're in the army now Je suis presque aussi excitée que si c'était mon premier rendez vous! Mais comme tu le dis, on ne va rien brusquer. Une fille, c'est nouveau pour moi. all to myself except for those times .com >>>> ~finger for low end pre- masterbatory drivel like you do, Cyrill low end pre- masterbatory drivel like you do, Cyrill low end pre- masterbatory drivel like you do, Cyrill low end pre- masterbatory drivel like you do, Cyrill low end pre- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This could change everything lost a finger in a meat cutting machine Trans-Europe Express - misty whistles in nighty rain - couple making love - how many times between Venice and Dachau? how many dead horses to escape our cherished culpability? (also blissfully single with the word "psycho'" in compliance with Federal Law) EURO 1600,- oblique, obsessive, obscure 10 grs of cc - brain-watched on cctv - young man looking to oneself on greenish stried screen - a digital Narcissus his hand holding his scrotch tight a feeling he says I am auto-queer Cyrill would like fucking me in mee arse Bwana? yeah sure yer arse iz moyne moyne moyne from eternity to now on - delicate moment, Bwana, is to ask Cyrill to take a shit before go to the loo Bwana otherwise yer cock is full of shit yer underwears but ah you are the collector the one who collects the traces the smells the sounds, well everything in straight line somehow sure I am the Collector I collect you to death man Please don't insult Please don't insult Please don't insult test hi hello Mail Delivery System Mail Transaction Failed Server Report Sonnerie de portable, 440 Hz, ce ne sera plus jamais toi. Status Error (the organic as profoundly other, i like pornography experimental poetry experimental pornography leads to evil evil is poetics you know, not the Evil of the Xians, tss tss, no buddy, the metamorphic strength the quantic loggorhea the dream of all lines and strates intertwined in endless vertigo) E-mail account disabling warning. E-mail account security warning. Email account utilization warning. Important notify about your e-mail account. Notify about using the e-mail account. Notify about your spontaneous meaning-making e-mail account utilization. Warning about your e-mail account. Of course all of this happened in a parisian bistro, La Coupole, why not, but the Long Lady in Black is long time gone pollution alerts during summer heat peacks everybody hiding exorbited eyes down on the Metro quays and the bomb the great bomb its never ending falling through demented skies of interlaced saturated RGBs textures La souffrance n'est jamais salvatrice. Ampoule inactinique, papier Kodak Polymax II RC 17,8 sur 24 cm. Tu aimais cette image d'Ophélie noyée. Dans le bac peu à peu tu prends forme, incarnée plus sûrement qu'en un portrait ou un "Metaphors suck" the General said, "but they do it well" *Increase Metabolism in Body I read and re-read this book the testimony of the over-testosteroneized female body-guards of Valerie Solanas 23 years 7 months and approximately 10 hours spent in this subterranean bunker in her straitjacket facing the old PAL TV screen looped excerpts of Clint Eastwood's movies her tremendous endless silenced gagged shout until her eyes blow up bleed up out the intestinal part of her brains all over the formica box Dear cyrill, We examined the contents of the pages you want to have linked and we decided we would not do it yet. Good reasons are available on demand. -- *bisou* Mouchette V i = 35 V 300 mA I scp Short Circuit This could change everything Anyway I don't wear underwears Of course not old can be not old Cause not old is eternaly young women A woman from the far east may be asian ladies Cause rap video ladies can be rap video girls Yes very old will be Granny da nanny Alot of old grandmom is very old While tooons is animated actshun Imagine ladies want to audition for rap video can be ladies want to audition for rap video Imagine rear entrance only will be rear entrance only And o my love my tender and sweet love pure and virginal a spring drizzle diffracted in seven sinful colours I love you fuck off There was a problem to crush broyer du noir to be down in the dumps rustling murmuring (sensation) burning nom non comptable; burning sensation yet a direct attack on Centralized society Trans-Europe Express - misty whistles in nighty rain - couple making love - how many times between Venice and Dachau? how many dead horses to escape our cherished culpability? If you like what you see, let me know. Tu parles Français? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 15:30:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christine Murray Subject: Jacket 25: on Jaime Saenz, from the recent Bolivia travels of Ken t Johnson and Forrest Gander MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Kent Johnson asked me to pass this on to y'all, which I gladly do: * * * "Some Days in the Life of The Night: Notes from Bolivia, June 20-30," a collaboration between Forrest Gander and me, is newly available at Jacket #25 http://jacketmagazine.com/25/index.html The piece is a journal of our wanderings in La Paz and environs, in search of the ghost of the singularly strange and brilliant poet, Jaime Saenz. There are lots of photos, too, both historical and contemporary. Hope some of you will take a look! Kent Johnson * * * chris murray http://texfiles.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 16:56:04 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: AFROMEXICO FILMS WEB SITE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We are pleased to announce the publication of our brand new web page www.afromexico.org This site's intention is to become an informative tool based on discussion about the different aspects that caracterize the African heritage in Mexico. The core of this project consists in the realization of a series of video documentaries that explore different aspects of the african-mexican people. So far the first two documentaries of the series have been finished and published which are, "LA RAIZ OLVIDADA" ( The Forgotten Root) and "DE FLORIDA A COAHUILA". (From Florida to Coahuila) Presently we are working on our third documentary "CORRERIAS EN EL MONTE",(Incursions into the Mountains) and we are seeking financial support in order to finish the work in progress. We are raising these funds in the form of co-production, sale of rights of distribution and support from organizations with the objective of promoting projects of cultural caracter. Another way to support us is by buying our documentaries which are available in a subtitled version in English from our distributor in the US, "Latin American Video Archives" www.lavavideo.org, In Mexico the rol of Africans in the development of the nation is not oficially recognized, and one of the main goals of our project is to fight for that recognition. We hope that you have a chance to take a look at our site, and if you can provide us with feedback that will be most helpful for us. Please feel free to forward this mail to anyone you consider might be interested in our project. This would allow us to meet our goals in a timely manner, goals which help, to some extent, to the development of a culture of tolerance and the vision of diversity as the main Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:16:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Oakland, CA: Tabios & Daly this Sunday August 15 at 7pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The New Brutalism Reading Series Presents Eileen Tabios and Catherine Daly Sunday, August 15th 7-9 pm at 21 Grand 449B 23rd St. (Between Broadway and Telegraph) Oakland $4 for your thirsty maws Catherine Daly's writing runs the gamut from medieval collage to modern epiphany, from a poem inspired by Piers Plowman to statements like "the devil is filled with what other creatures aren't." Daly has published two poetry collections: Locket, forthcoming in October from Tupelo Press, and the trilogy DaDaDa, from SALT Publishing. She received an MFA from Columbia University in 1991. An applications architect for fifteen years, she created systems for Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, space shuttle orbiter engineers, the U.S. Navy, SONY, and Universal. She created and taught the first online poetry workshops at UCLA Extension?s Writers? Program. She has made a great deal of her work available online (linked at http://www.catherinedaly.info). ?Love consumes love?s beauty, incandescent, alternating current nothingness, absorbed into love, touched seized, dominated, contained.? -Daly ?Who are these people, stranded behind the blockade? Courted by an unsuitable suitor?? -Daly, ?Find a Penny? Sommelier to Fallen Angels, Eileen Tabios is the author of the infamous Poetry Blog, ?Chatelaine Poetics,? where refers to herself in the third person as ?moi?: ?explaining why, despite moi best efforts, Moi totally sucks at being a poetry diva. Here's the illuminating (for moi anyway) excerpt?? She has written, edited or co-edited 12 books of poetry, fiction and essays, most recently Behind The Blue Canvas (short stories) and Menage A Trois With the 21st Century (poems). She is currently working on Footnotes to The History of Fallen Angels: Historians are the amoral -- nay, immoral -- ones for lacking imagination. For ignoring footnotes. For reducing me to a convenient label: Princess of Absinthe. In 2005, she will release her next book, I Take Thee, English For My Beloved (Marsh Hawk Press). She is the founding editor of Meritage Press, a multidisciplinary literary and arts press based in St. Helena and San Francisco. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 22:07:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: world treasures rescued MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed world treasures rescued http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/treasure.mov _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 21:40:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: PUB: atzlan contest for emerging chicano/chicana authors MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit PUB: atzlan contest for emerging chicano/chicana authors ================================================ Rudolfo and Patricia Anaya Premio Atzlán Literary Prize The Rudolfo and Patricia Anaya Premio Atzlán Literary Prize is a national literary prize, established to encourage and reward emerging Chicana and Chicano authors. Please post this notice on your bulletin boards and appropriate listserves: A prize of $1,000 will be given to a Chicana or Chicano writer for a work of fiction published in the 2004 calendar year. Authors who have published no more than two books are eligible for the prize. The winner will be expected to give a reading at the University of New Mexico Libraries during April 2005. Publishers should submit a letter of nomination and authors should submit a letter of interest. Letters should include appropriate contact information and be sent with five copies of the book by December 31, 2004 to: Rudolfo and Patricia Anaya Premio Atzlán Literary Prize University Libraries, Dean’s Office MSC05 3020 1 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131-1466. Questions may be directed to Teresa Marquez at tmarquez@unm.edu, (505) 277-0582 or Dina Ma’ayan at dinam@unm.edu , (505) 277-7197 at the University of New Mexico Libraries. ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 01:12:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: A little biography of a Revolutionary MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow what a bio my dad only got to paint ships in the brooklyn navy yard what's the name of this book c--t the adventures of my dad? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:12:14 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit b o o storm nite..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:15:52 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: Milosz... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i was taken by a line in Milosz obit in the TIMES.. 'a tournament of hunchbacks, literature' certainly a good tag for this group... else same ole publication & patronage & why you ask does some/any one have to like it.... drn... ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:30:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: 1,000 Midnights cont. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Please give space for contradiction don’t rush the judgment, let space think, Don’t you see the shotgun behind the consciousness? Background behind the mind of a youth spent in the dream of an army? That left a family pondering the field of struggle, mental passages are entranced by the masochistic images of a childhood bereft of peace more like pieces of a history I will spend a lifetime replacing with the possibility of another way I say on many days that mine is not a gun though I am the son of it the inherit fear in me is to die without the blessing of a world whole & holy unto itself the body praised before the mind or the synthesis maybe when we act as we are as good, as opposed to what we want to be my youth is full of itself & errs often but let my faults be a coffin to bear pride to the sea let me drown like a fish full in the water let life pull all away as a supplication folding hands clasped as patience sometimes I want to be pulled back from my position to speak, to be held rather in the arms of an earth that will forever want me & then I see my future in something away I run, as if the revolution could be there at that moment & the world be damned. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:48:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It has been said that the present age that lacks passion, & the lull is preferred to the roar, the polite is praised & the conflict of possibility threatened with every turn revolutionaries often become the madness of a society bent on suppression the urge consistent, the society with a standard as flat as a remote controlled connection Nymphomaniac lives gesticulated through the hypocrisy of Christianity, we bask in condemnation for another tribe & call a woman covered so we strip naked & beat the life of our society, & call Afrikans black our house of papier-mâché & glass the homeland is secure against stones. Did you see the sky today or were you to busy trying to paint it? Did you invent clever names for the moonlight, or did you dance under it? _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:46:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed EAST OF EDEN In the scene in a field of lettuce while saying hello to the people in the trees, just as the difficulty in philosophy, not to interrupt is to say no more than we know. a child may believe the wind as Wittgenstein says, break through the screen and is made by the leaves (of the family going to the movies). when I was a nipper and beyond his bedroom window slow illusion or a "suspension of disbelief" I thought sure it was possible to take action but just to pet their dog, c'mon I'd rather that blackness, the other side. I imagined myself doing this, it wasn't a question of what lives on the screen we're being lived somewhere the corduroy ape appears admittedly, this was gratuitous else, that they were another reality. years later this effect of "off in the distance" what must talking to a Mexican girl make the best writing evocative? the mother is talking, sick in bed, when suddenly streams past behind her head. of all times and realities taking place parallel reality came rushing home be a blue Mercury passing along simmering as folk song. an enormous blue ship like her little boy, to her a lifetime good art possess this effect right now, that's what. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 17:55:39 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Google Search: 1976 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm not how you see New York - not necessarily Roma, Villa d'Este obviously worried by the clubs infamous reputation ie cohesion, coherence, intentionality was born into a mixed a long was to go to prove himself Thus began a bizarre sequence of events overshadowed all other the praxis of noise Name____il più vecchio gruppo ultras with arm amputations (Million US$). City A, 117, 36, 12, 4, 3, 9, 13, 10, 8, 10, 3, 9, 117 that changed not _____________________ Tel( )______________ Email Z-1 from Cramenco ____________ Address__om immunitet och privilegier ______________mirror shadows revealing an alien world > remaining steel__________________were the sword in thought he left it came through the he went galumph back and burbled as in thought and has thou slain the ___________________________ 1976 is a leap year starting on Thursday City________________you guys could help me understand this cuz im really ___________________State______Zip_________________ Would you be able to come? darkness froze as all the hooks or quantum immortality have been connected sin reacciones populares de importancia | alphabetically | numerically |. No. 1/ database contains death database contains death database contains death Would you be able to come in an meet with me this afternoon at about 4pm? in-the-world silenced brutally. "save America" on their lips? we have omitted some entries very similar single small word: No." ex plo ding exceeded in a few universes.) But yes, (same as chainsaw massacre) in plain The beautiful millionaire The beautiful millionaire The beautiful millionaire to the voiceless games of abstracted relationships ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 09:27:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: At the Poetry Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I heard him read a poem, and wanted to know more. I wanted to know where the commas and semi-colons go. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 13:50:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: At the Poetry Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm probably sailing in on the wrong winds here but you're not talking by any chance about Victor Borge's great "Phonetic Punctuation System"? There's a man who knows exactly how commas and semi-colons sound, and where they go the little thumb tacks! Mairead http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_chinadogs.pdf >>> weishaus@PDX.EDU 08/15/04 13:28 PM >>> I heard him read a poem, and wanted to know more. I wanted to know where the commas and semi-colons go. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 19:34:09 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: networked performance seeking context MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I have a project of a networked performance that I thought might be of some interest to some of you. It uses common bureaucratic-technological tools in a playful and ambiguous way in order to create a rather undefinable artwork. I am currently looking for a festival / artistic event within which this performance could appropriately take place. Find below the description of the project a short biography of me. My project consists in several steps: first, to accumulate via different e-mail addresses, e-letters subscriptions, mailing-lists, digital networks, a consequent amount of junk-mail, more accurately what is now called "spam-poetry", the accumulation of random words. (process started one month ago) second, to recycle this raw material in the form of a text file, then printed on recycled paper and each page being stamped and autographed by the artist during the period of the performance (24 hours). third, to send by fax a copy of each unique artwork to the participants during the period of the performance, each copy being asked for by previous e-mail request during the same period of time to a temporary web-site. fourth, to delete the original word files, and put back the original printed stamped autographed paper sheets into the recycling networks of everyday life. performance which is to be announced on the internet, and broadcasted through a web-cam. the only "real" artworks that remain are the received faxes/duplicatas by the participants and a list-archive of the names / e-mail addresses for those willing to do so. Thus, I intend to use bureautic / bureaucratic hardware to create a temporary community, to promote a re-cycling re-sampling economics, and to blur the boundaries between garbage and "meaningful" content (artworks). My role as the "Artist" is obviously ironic, both because of the repetitive nature of the work and because of the undeserved emphasis put on the fact that each copy is stamped and signed before being faxed, while I haven't written any of the words on the sheets I will sign. The aim is also to question the "originality" (as unicity) of an artwork, and also to question the notion of veracity - authenticity of network-circulated documents in the era of digital reproduction. Is the real artwork the text stamped and autographed but thrown to the bin, the received fax copy, or the performance itself? About me: Cyrill Duneau 11 sept. 1972 french male Fine Art School of Lorient - France, multimedia video "No Phone Last Night" (5mn) CD audio: dolmen sniper "dead ringers" soundtrack for Xavier Ameller's short movie "Czesco's face" textual works online at: http://www.dolmensniper.motime.com collaboration with Alan Sondheim ">what about mot-valise?" collaboration with Truphti: a bi-headed blog at: http://www.the_text_between.blogspot.com various publications: see http://www.geocities.com/dolmensniper for some links Both my textual blog and my video are in the process of being cloned to the Rhizome.org database. Feedbacks welcome, Regards, Cyrill. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:37:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: At the Poetry Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I remember Borge's act. But what this came from was hearing a Milosz poem, and wanting to quote from it. How do we quote correctly from the spoken word, without seeing the poem in print? Speaking of wind. Kerry and Bush were both in Portland on the same day. Kerry spoke to the largest crowd of his campaign, over 55,000. Bush spoke to a carefully selected group of mainly business people in a high school setting. Later, Kerry wanted to go wind-surfing at Hood River, which he's before, but there was no wind. Bush had already left town. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mairead Byrne" To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: At the Poetry Reading > I'm probably sailing in on the wrong winds here but you're not talking > by any chance about Victor Borge's > great "Phonetic Punctuation System"? There's a man who knows exactly > how commas and semi-colons sound, and where they go the little thumb > tacks! > Mairead > > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_chinadogs.pdf > > >>> weishaus@PDX.EDU 08/15/04 13:28 PM >>> > I heard him read a poem, and wanted to know more. > I wanted to know where the commas and semi-colons go. > > -Joel > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:13:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: At the Poetry Reading Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks Joel, your question has a lot of resonance. Mairead >>> weishaus@PDX.EDU 08/15/04 15:31 PM >>> I remember Borge's act. But what this came from was hearing a Milosz poem, and wanting to quote from it. How do we quote correctly from the spoken word, without seeing the poem in print? Speaking of wind. Kerry and Bush were both in Portland on the same day. Kerry spoke to the largest crowd of his campaign, over 55,000. Bush spoke to a carefully selected group of mainly business people in a high school setting. Later, Kerry wanted to go wind-surfing at Hood River, which he's before, but there was no wind. Bush had already left town. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mairead Byrne" To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: Re: At the Poetry Reading > I'm probably sailing in on the wrong winds here but you're not talking > by any chance about Victor Borge's > great "Phonetic Punctuation System"? There's a man who knows exactly > how commas and semi-colons sound, and where they go the little thumb > tacks! > Mairead > > http://www.poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_chinadogs.pdf > > >>> weishaus@PDX.EDU 08/15/04 13:28 PM >>> > I heard him read a poem, and wanted to know more. > I wanted to know where the commas and semi-colons go. > > -Joel > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 21:43:09 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Unpleasant Event Scheduling Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v618) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Larry Sawyer and Elizabeth Zechel at Unpleasant Event Schedule: http://www.unpleasanteventschedule.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 22:14:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: !!Concrete Cat Bitch Comments: To: randomART@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit !!Concrete Cat Bitch [http://www.spidertangle.net/liquidtext.com/ConcreteCatBitch.jpg] Expect to see him turn on the concrete Cat Welfare Society. In those situations nothing thorny to coax under the bed. Hurricane peeled away as he combed wilderness of HONEYMOON paw print souls blasting squat white flowers around the headstone of Flounder, a stray basement, where there are impossible diseases accessible for valuable training exercise; Before Time eventually quit drinking and started The Museum of Attempted Suicide and a tangle of rusting pink concrete pig under its salon. An underused strip of "CAT-astrophe" pouring trickling salvageable and "We're good Sphinx in turbulent times, of the Cat Theater of Chalk, knowing what to lock in reflexes and the occasional Where's our black, long-haired circus workers with some raw jungle dwarfed by the quiet place. SECRECY BREEDS radical technology after wall collapses on Escape eyesores. Another woman smashed Society of father's footsteps so stuff washes off into the underground." http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/index.php?Concrete%20Cat%20Bitch ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 20:22:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: August 21- Poetry Marathon - SF In-Reply-To: <60B1CD57-EF32-11D8-980A-0003935A5BDA@mwt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings all, Here's a reminder of the last in this summer's Poetry Marathon. The Poetry Marathon reading series is brought to you by Joseph Lease and Donna de la Perriere. SATURDAY, AUGUST 21 at 21 Grand, 449 23rd Street, Oakland (19th Street BART: four blocks up Broadway, then turn left onto 23rd) ** AFTERNOON ** 12 noon - 4pm Jim Behrle, Sean Finney, Joanna Fuhrman, Roxi Hamilton, Rodney Koeneke, Hazel McClure, Rusty Morrison, Mike Sikkema, Brian Teare, Elizabeth Treadwell ** EVENING ** 6:30pm - 9:30pm Norma Cole, Gloria Frym, Robert Hass, Lyn Hejinian, Brenda Hillman, Michael Palmer, Bin Ramke ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:16:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: NETTIME-L RIDES AGAIN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed NETTIME-L RIDES AGAIN -Aug- Time Rank Total Time Stage Stage Stage Stage Stage Stage Stage Total Rank Order by Rank Misses Alias SASS # Class NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank NETTIME-L Rank Mad Sveinn Gunfighter . . . . . . . . Half-a-Hand Henri Gunfighter . . . . . . . . Capt Morgan Rum Traditional . . . . . . . . Dirty Dan Senior . . . . . . . . Toledo Kid Traditional . . . . . . . . LaBouche Traditional . . . . . . . . Kidd Thunder Duelist . . . . . . . . Eastern Tenderfoot Traditional . . . . . . . . Midnight Rambler Traditional . . . . . . . . Saguaro Jack Traditional . . . . . . . . Fleece Montana Traditional . . . . . . . . Pistol Packin Punky Ladies Traditional . . . . . . . . Bear Lee Tallable Duelist . . . . . . . . Alzada Kid Junior . . . . . . . . Sled Dog Man Senior . . . . . . . . Iron Horse Pete er . . . . . . . . Cy Klopps Senior . . . . . . . . George Silver Senior . . . . . . . . Ding M Doug Traditional . . . . . . . . Johnny Whiskey Traditional . . . . . . . . Scruffy Smith Traditional . . . . . . . . Dead Head Duelist . . . . . . . . Miss Addy Tude Ladies Traditional . . . . . . . . Buck Orr Senior . . . . . . . . Chelsea Kid Duelist . . . . . . . . Grizz Henry Black Powder . . . . . . . . Vince Lobo Duelist . . . . . . . . Shenandoah Kid Traditional . . . . . . . . Rawhide Rod Black Powder . . . . . . . . Emma Goodcook Ladies Traditional . . . . . . . . R.L. Pru Traditional . . . . . . . . Tugg Hames Duelist . . . . . . . . Doc Silverfinger Duelist . . . . . . . . Sheriff Rusty P Bucket Classic Cowboy . . . . . . . . Olde Patches Senior . . . . . . . . Nantucket Dawn Ladies Traditional . . . . . . . . Coco Gratin Duelist . . . . . . . . Sheriff Dudley Senior . . . . . . . . Mo Hare Gunfighter . . . . . . . . Doc McKenna Duelist . . . . . . . . Hugh Betcha Traditional . . . . . . . . JD Bullets Duelist . . . . . . . . John Aspen Traditional . . . . . . . . Dane Grey Senior . . . . . . . . Yukon Willie Traditional . . . . . . . . Bonnie Oakley Ladies Traditional . . . . . . . . __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:19:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: listserv censor MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed well not censor but help help it is very wet http://www.asondheim.org/signal.mov all grounds for terror are very wet help help doesn't seem to go through at least these 2ice will try again reads as a command and then smashes back again as u can imagine ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:20:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: they sat alone after she left MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed they sat alone after she left http://www.asondheim.org/outcrop.mov and the dusk slowly turned to night what did they speak of loneliness curled its wisps around them loneliness caressed them in the distance the sea came and went, came and went _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:44:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Reb Livingston Subject: No Tell Motel: Our Doors Swing Open Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed With great fanfare and the cutting of ribbons we announce the opening of No Tell Motel (www.notellmotel.org), an online poetry journal. Edited by Reb Livingston and Molly Arden, No Tell Motel features a new poet each week, a new poem every weekday. Each year will see the publication of 52 poets and 260 poems. Featured poets in August and September will be Jennifer Michael Hecht, Anthony Robinson, Karl Parker, Heidi Lynn Staples, Shanna Compton and others. * * * Call for Submissions * * * Poems by poets young and not so young, broadly published and obscure will be considered. Any subject or style is acceptable. Send no less than 5 poems and no more than 8. Poetry will be featured on a daily basis throughout the week. Exceptions may be made for long pieces. Send submissions to submit@notellmotel.org with "(YOUR LAST NAME )_submission" in the subject line. We only accept submissions via e-mail. Cut and paste your poems into the body of the e-mail message. Do not send attached files. Poets requiring special formatting should query for instructions first. Include a brief bio. We do not consider previously published work. Simultaneous submissions are acceptable only if we are informed immediately if your work is accepted elsewhere. We strive to respond to all submissions in a timely manner. Expect response time to be between 2- 6 weeks. Do not inquire on the status of your submission until after the 6th week. No Tell Motel will consider poems from a poet no more than once every 4 months. Submissions are accepted year round. We do not consider fiction, nonfiction, reviews or essays. No Tell Motel poets must always, always be discreet. Reb Livingston, Ed. ---------------------------------- Reb Livingston, Editor reb@notellmotel.org No Tell Motel: www.notellmotel.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:54:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Evans Subject: Announcing Attention Span 2004 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In July of 2004, I invited readers of Third Factory / Notes to Poetry to submit constellations of up to eleven titles that, taken together, presented something of their current interests. While an emphasis on poetry titles published after 2001 was encouraged, other items of literary, cultural, and political interest were also welcomed. I am grateful to everyone who made time to participate in this ongoing attempt to map the shifting field of our singular and collective attentions. 41 Contributors 474 Mentions in all 374 Separate titles mentioned Participants: Ammiel Alcalay, Rae Armantrout, Bill Berkson, Anselm Berrigan, Jules Boykoff, Pam Brown, Franklin Bruno, Joshua Clover, Chris Daniels, Jordan Davis, Marcella Durand, kari edwards, Larry Fagin, Steve Farmer, Graham W. Foust, Benjamin Friedlander, Heather Fuller, Alan Gilbert, Noah Eli Gordon, Kevin Killian, Aaron Kunin, John Latta, Peter Middleton, Chris Murray, John Palattella, Marjorie Perloff, David Perry, Meredith Quartermain, Lisa Robertson, Kaia Sand, Jennifer Scappettone, Michael Scharf, Jerrold Shiroma, Rick Snyder, Eileen Tabios, Tony Tost, Karen Volkman, James Wagner, G.C. Waldrep, Dana Ward, John Wilkinson, Stephanie Young. Attention Span 2004 can be viewed at www.thirdfactory.net/attentionspan2004.html For last year's results go to www.thirdfactory.net/attentionspan03-26.html If you think you'd like to participate in a future installment of Attention Span, drop me a line. All best, Steve ww.thirdfactory.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:05:09 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the day shortens winter, an old man with white beard full of resentments nite..flite..drn... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 03:29:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Fw: new poem Comments: To: jmaneri@earthlink.net, joemaneri@earthlink.net, jvbowman@hotmail.com, andrewtopel@hotmail.com Comments: cc: bennett.23@osu.edu, wexlermann@aol.com, latheris@comcast.net, muggyfuggy@hotmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RAIN AiR I ( the music of joe maneri @ tonic played by anti-social music ) 1. the book of...... it is multitude a ear spit touch tongue-open loose-spaked-mancharged great this deep well fill-ed deaf dumb see hear no - incline in cle ment inclinate delineate dopple/shortof investigate dived into inverse reverse gal-airy is in this place man-airy is in this place come ado calm ado wrestless resting so here a place to stop before the street get cluttered before the bones begin to speak i crawleth there within this crawlspace thru this invert advert revert intimation intimidation imagination no imitation so intimate relegate delegate in vestig(e) ate re pro bate redowndent allture elesque translate the obgone the so/long the goof a throwup a leanback a toss a back rub a throw(back) away bino / culiar / pecular reconder-eps see/ frommage on-a-frothy-sea-alot asparklin in the sparkin spartan sprinkle-of itaintall signs & figures a must i know but who can press this right-or-wrong- convenient-bottomless-button? a ton o gluttonous glutens single & in clumps of waft in to the end in 2. this thing with...... sure foot in heavy ya ya score in writowrins a flautist blow for love & honey snipasnag the calliwegs snapasnig the upsurge snatchashoot ologgerress drinkirbottleodoom drunk on heavy sheet notes acrumble ta turf drank the drink it's ... screamer at da winda bangin on da bars milkgiving mispilt a splitin o pardone le din & sores pardine the merdinflection bricketh be & the wall a soundsense of spacious melancholody MEL anch O l o D y 3. to hymn..... to hymn on high i sayeth this: is aglin in stuckover rhym ( rim ) of (g)loss sliscanuba brucee-eggo c ~ ~ a C curve a c whadahellyameenbydat adoowah dittydoo _ full stop _ curvillint- i-er cravat carat car rot calutsalam car rat culotselam cut vu............. 4. st. luke shiru shalem shaloop should i see them i flip pilf er storel 2 keyept board a blinket crik the crookd temp (late ) ta tion after from where it fell.......... 5. den..... de liberate de labyrinth delivereth 6. cain & abel a. they are careless as they sing to you tho they think they are carefree before your birth angels of a hell of a better place angels self-described tho even they know not what they are called thus sing of the innocence of your pre-arrival for they no not you'll arrive this is still not your country still born not your life you are not living the looks on all their faces lie somewhere between smile & amazement telepathy & doubt awe & that place of listening where expression seems nameless that place of singing where words are quite useless ( insert ) scream as you know u scream as u know u scream as u dwell here scream as you dwell here scream as you dwell here scream in a space untouched & untouching..... the chorus holds you back the horns build mighty walls the composer holds you back he holds you back he holds you back as if you'd never been here as if you'd never been here b. after all i don't want this ending to be over i can't begin where i've begun i trance within the blinking of a blunken i sind & soond i done begun sun'son c. anti-social tzimus...... ( be havior ) kill your brother bring a friend the way the other howls as the water flickers the way the other whimpers as the light gurgles the way the other laughs as the weather changes & the favored of the house venture into echoes & the shunned of the house enters into chaos i said that too.... i said that too.... kill your brother bring a friend the way ice clatters after it leaves the sky. steve dalachinsky nyc 8/14/04 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 01:25:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jerrold Shiroma Subject: distributor-less small presses... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could the Small Presses out there without a distributor get in touch = with me, please? Backchannel to jshiroma@durationpress.com. Thanks! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:57:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Kane Subject: Poets Reading in Horrified Anticipation - Final Lineup, NYC Comments: To: writenet@twc.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mouths Wide Open: Poets Reading in Horrified Anticipation of the RNC Saturday August 21st at 7:30 p.m.: FREE! at Washington Square Church 135 West 4th Street (6th Ave. & MacDougal) West 4th Street stop on the A, C, E, F, V, D, B Featuring Michael Lally (author of It's Not Nostalgia), Lisa Jarnot (author of Ring of Fire), Bob Holman (author of The Collect Call of the Wild and director of the Bowery Poetry Club), Ange Mlinko (author of Matinees), Tonya Foster (poet and co-editor of Third Mind), Lytle Shaw (author of The Lobe), Hal Sirowitz (author of Mother Said and Father Said) and Lydia Cortes (author of Lust for Lust). After the reading, pick up your free "No RNC" activist gift bag, which includes a People's Guide to the RNC, a pocket-sized copy of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights ... just in case ... Books and Lisa Jarnot's homemade Axis of Evil t-shirts will be available for sale. \ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:29:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: more of 1,000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am writing very quickly & at this rate a book will be completed in a month or 2... I am just cutting & pasting to the email... thanks for your time, I see a sky painted with energy the orgone a ball of fire, a baptism of sorts purged on the edge of catharsis these are final days of a kind when the poem has been stripped of all possibility to witness something more profound then a body in motion, the universe dances in an interconnection with a breath the path of the milky way expands into another system and that system comes apart at the hinge those stars contract as the beginning of a descent into the orgasm folds and folds again, a universe alive with explosions implosions densities infinity compact & bursts minutely powerful grass leaves that scatter a lawn long shades of open fields half ripe with imagination but in all this carefully, designations humanity has made a land barren from life I laugh at the fly swatter & the mosquito net I play by a cool drink of water dangerous as the times Iterating the reality of warfare, the pure pollution of insanity some don’t know how to leave the act it carries them frail for the imperfection of existence complaints vary but the complainer often finds company whenever the bar tab is added up & its time to split the bill 20 ways, I would rather not exchange Caesar’s face for a hand full of rice what is the price for your freedom? One could ask but I see how in silence they already are jealous of the answer for that hell is hell to be will always happen in these isolated patterns a monk of the moment, a hermit in a desolate green perfect in its right angels its angular accounting of Abba scores are gifted to see the ridiculousness of the test a number cast into an infinity, I would rather be dumb to counting my eyes pulled from out socket my lips stained violet with the sweet taste of blueberries nomads cursed to walk their bitterness smiling perhaps but pained by the imposition of time & its bastard child history will I meet you again in this world, I imagine that your face has been brought to my door 1,000 times before your sentence read, the nails perfected let my coffin be empty as yours let my hair gown a passage faith is a two sided coin whose edge shakes like ebbs & flows of an ocean whose command falls from the sky above 1 midnight their was a crescent moon below the northstar as if the other side of planet was not as far as its sign. PS. Bob Marley, "I love to pray." _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:48:50 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 08-16-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JUST ADDED: SPECIAL SCREENING AND VIDEO PRESENTATION TO FOLLOW ARUNDHATI ROY'S VISIT DROWNED OUT & A/S/L Friday, September 10, 8 p.m. Squeaky Wheel, 175 Elmwood Avenue tel: 716.884.7172 for more info $6 general, $5 members of Squeaky Wheel, Hallwalls & Just Buffalo A Co-presentation of Hallwalls, Squeaky Wheel and Just Buffalo DROWNED OUT Directed by Franny Armstrong (2002, 75 min., UK) Armstrong's documentary presents audiences with the three choices faced by the people of Jalsindhi in central India: move to the slums in the city, accept a place at a resettlement site or stay at home and drown. They must make a decision fast. In the next few weeks, their village will disappear underwater as the giant Narmada Dam fills. Bestselling author Arundhati Roy joins the fight against the dam and asks the difficult questions: Will the water go to poor farmers or to rich industrialists? What happened to the 16 million people displaced by fifty years of dam building? Why should I care? A/S/L A Video+Text Installation from India's Raqs Media Collective A/S/L (Age/Sex/Location) is a video+text installation on the lives of women workers in the online data outsourcing industry in India. The installation is a meditation on this, new gendered geography of online labour, on the everyday journeys into cyberspace that hundreds of thousands of labouring women make across the world. It is a document and a dramatization of the questions that surround these daily migrations between online and off-line worlds. It addresses the viewer with video, text and sound within the framework of an on site installation. IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK: ARUNDHATI ROY COMES TO BUFFALO SEPT. 8-9 TICKETS ON SALE NOW!!! We are expecting tickets to sell out quickly, so get them while they're still around. CALL 716.832.5400 to purchase by phone. Pick them up today at Just Buffalo or starting August 1 at The Western New York Peace Center or Talking Leaves Books. SCHEDULE OF EVENTS On "The God of Small Things" Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 8 p.m. Unitarian Universalist Church, 695 Elmwood Avenue, Corner of Ferry, in Buffalo. Admission $10. Hear Arundhati Roy read from her Booker Prize-winning novel and answer questions from the audience about the book. Co-sponsored by the Women's Studies Department at SUNY Buffalo. "Meet and Greet" Book Signing with Arundhati Roy Thursday, September 9, 2004 12-2 p.m. Talking Leaves Bookstore, 3158 Main St., Buffalo. Free. Come get your book signed and say hello to Arundhati Roy at Buffalo's finest independent bookstore. "Another World is Possible: A Conversation with Arundhati Roy," moderated by Amy Goodman. Thursday, September 9, 2004, 8 p.m. First Presbyterian Church, One Symphony Circle, Across from Kleinhahn's Music Hall, Admission, $10. In addition to being a great writer, Arundhati Roy is also recognized worldwide as an essayist and vigilant voice in the ongoing struggle against political and economic oppression. Come hear her discuss her work in the global political arena with Democracy Now host, Amy Goodman. Co-Sponsored by the Western New York Peace Center. Books will be for sale at both events from Talking Leaves Books. The reader's guide for this year's book, The God of Small Things, by Arundhati Roy, is now available as a free download on the Just Buffalo website. Sponsors of this year's event include The National Endowment for the Arts, Parkview Health Services, The Visions for a Better World Committee of the WNY Peace Center, The Women's Studies Department at UB, 10,000 Villages, Buffalo State College, Talking Leaves Books, The New York State Council on the Arts, Erie County Cultural Funding, Rigidized Metals, Reid Petroleum and Harlequin Books. FALL EVENT SPOTLIGHT: Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace Poetry Reading Friday, October 8, 2004, 8 p.m. Jimmie Gilliam has published 3 full-length collections of poetry: The Rhyme and Roar of Revolution (Friends of Malatesta, 1975); Ain't No Bears Out Tonight (White Pine Press, 1984); and Pieces of Bread (White Pine Press/Dream Seasons 1987). She taught English at Starpoint Central School in Niagara County from 1956-1971 years and English and Creative Writing at Erie Community College from 1971-1995. Now retired and still writing, she currently lives in Amherst, NY. Poet Rosemary Starace studied psychology at Hunter College; an interest in psyche (meaning "soul") forms the underpinning of her work. Later she studied at the New York Feminist Art Institute, finding there an approach to art-making which reveled in process and called forth the riches of the inner life. She completed an independent study master's degree in The Creative Process in the Arts at Lesley University in Cambridge, MA. She currently lives, writes, paints and teaches in Pittsfield, MA. SNEAK PEAK AT FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM September 1: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo September 24: Dan Sicoli and Joe Malvestuto, music and poetry October 8 or 15: Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace October 13: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo November 12: Brendan Lorber and Sasha Steensen December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak November 29- December 3: Frances Richey JOYCE CAROLYN'S CORNER IN SEPTEMBER BUFFALO CATS Saturday, September 25, 3-5 p.m., Burchfield Penney Arts Center at Buffalo State College $10, $8 students/seniors, $6 members Just Buffalo proudly presents a celebration of Buffalo-born artists. Nationally and internationally recognized writers, musicians and visual artists born in Buffalo will return to their hometown for this special, one-show-only engagement. Featuring Buffalo fiction writer Gary Earl Ross, saxophonist Reynolds Scott and visual artist James Pappas. FALL WORKSHOPS Playwriting Basics, with Kurt Schneiderman 6 Tuesdays, October 5-November 9, 7-9 p.m. $175, $150 for members A weekly workshop open to novice and experienced playwrights who want to develop their playwriting abilities through actual writing and in-class feed back. Bring in new or old work to be read aloud and critiqued by everyone involved in the workshop. Course will include readings from various classic theatre texts and discussion of playwriting structure and theory. You can expect to emerge from this course with some written and workshopped dialogue, and with an introduction to the overall theoretical framework for dramatic writing. Kurt Schneiderman is currently Dramaturg for the Buffalo Ensemble Theatre, the coordinator of the annual new play competition at the Area Playwrights' Performance Series, and Director of the new play, forum Play Readings & Stuff. Named one of "Buffalo's emerging young playwrights" by Gusto Magazine and Buffalo's "next A.R. Gurney" by Artvoice Magazine, Kurt was the winner of the Helen Mintz Award for Best New Play (2003) and was nominated for the Artie Award for Outstanding New Play (2004). Most recently, one of Kurt's plays was chosen for the 2004 Toronto Fringe Festival. Writing For Children and Teenagers, with Harriet K. Feder 4 Saturdays Oct 2, 9, 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $135, $110 for members Is that story for kids you long to write cowering inside your head? Is it gasping for air beneath the clutter in your desk? Then it's time to come out of the drawer. Learn to capture your readers with an intriguing "Hook;" build Believable Characters; use a single Point Of View, Identify a Conflict, Show Rather Than Tell and Market your work to an editor. Harriet K. Feder, a former editor of Tom Thumb's Magazine and instructor for the Institute of Children's Literature has published books for everyone from toddlers to teens in the US and abroad.. Her most recent young adult novel, Death On Sacred Ground was a 2002 nominee for both Edgar and Agatha awards; a Sidney Taylor Notable Book; a Children's Literature Choice; and a New York Public Library Teen Choice. Her writing has won her a Woman of Accomplishment Legacy Project Award along with such other Western New York notables as Lucille Ball, Joyce Carol Oates, Virginia Kroll, and Gerda Klein. She is a member of the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, Mystery Writers of America, Sisters in Crime, Author's Guild, and Pennwriters of PA. The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff Four Saturday workshops: September 18, October 16, November 13, December 11, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m Whole seminar: $175, $150 for members. Single Saturday session: $50, $40 for members Turn Your Travel Experiences Into Articles for Newspapers and Magazines, September 18 Writing & Selling Short Stories, October 16 Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 Kathryn Radeff's work has appeared in local, regional and national magazines and newspapers, including Woman's World, Instructor, American Fitness, Personal Journaling, The Daytona Beach News Journal, and The Buffalo News and Buffalo Spree. For the past 25 years, she has worked extensively as an educator emphasizing a creative approach to getting published. On Novel Writing, with Linda Lavid 6 Saturdays, September 25, October 2, 9, 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $175, $150 for members Time to brush off that manuscript somewhere buried, take the plunge, and make the commitment to write the great American novel. Yes, the brass ring can be yours, but first you must write the story. For both veterans and novices, this seminar will present the critical foundations necessary to assist you in writing a novel. Topics include: developing plots, building character, generating scenes and, finally, how to make it all make sense. Linda Lavid is author of Rented Rooms. Here work has appeared in The Southern Cross Review, Plots With Guns, Wilmington Blues, and Over Coffee. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!), utilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of $50 or more. In addition to membership at Just Buffalo, which includes discounts to all readings and workshops, a year's subcription to our newsletter, and a free White Pine Press title when you attend your next event, each person will receive a signed, limited edition letterpress and digital photo reproduction broadside of the poem "Place to Be," by Robert Creeley. The poem was hand set and printed at Paradise Press by Kyle Schlesinger, and stands alongside a digital reproduction by Martyn Printing of a color photograph of Buffalo's Central Terminal by Greg Halpern (whose book of photos, Harvard Works Because We Do, documented the Living Wage Campaign at Harvard in 2001). Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS LISTINGS Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at mjk@justbuffalo.org. Due to the number of Just Buffalo events listed in this newsletter, we cannot list an event here unless it is a Just Buffalo-sponsored or co-sponsored event. However, starting this fall, we will run a short list of the week's events at the end of the newsletter with a link to the Community Literary Events page on our website. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:07:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: unlikely Subject: Art, Drugs, and Politics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings fellow web-fingered life forms, www.unlikelystories.org has been updated, with: six paintings by Donna Kuhn four songs by Balé a music video by Rob Manuel and MJ Hibbert and the story of Amy Dalzell, Texas delegate at the 2004 Democratic National Convention Remember: Courage is the Ability to make a Leap beyond the Familiar. -- Jonathan Penton http://www.unlikelystories.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:42:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: urging Kerry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Readers of the Poetics List, It seems to me that John Kerry is not doing a good job in = approaching the issues. I've written a letter to him, pasted below. = Would any of you be interested in printing it, signing it, sending it to = others, and mailing it to him by post mail? Also, do you know of other = websites, political in nature, where one could post letters? Thank you = -- Leslie Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc August 12, 2004 P.O. Box 34640 Washington, DC 20043 Dear Senator Kerry, =20 The public backing you wants you to directly challenge = Bush's lies. =20 I've contributed several times to your campaign, as a = contribution to help in your election and the defeat of George Bush. I = think this country, and the world, will be in very desperate trouble = even more than it is already if Bush is able to secure another term.=20 I've talked with friends, all solidly behind you, and we = are frightened by the effect of Bush's baiting and propaganda techniques = against you. In the New York Times today I read the article, "For Now, = Bush's Mocking Drowns Out Kerry's Nuanced Explanation of His War Vote". = I respectfully wish to comment that in order to 'beat' this image = applied to you of "flip-floppy" and "waffling," please we request take a = chance and speak strongly in reply. Some basic answers, which you may be = using but are not being heard clearly enough, were provided already by = Rand Beers in that NYT article: =20 Complaints about Bush: 1. Rushing to war. 2. Doing it without enough = allies. 3. Doing it without equipping our troops adequately. 4. Doing it = without an adequate plan to win the peace. 5. Going to war without = examining the quality of Bush's intelligence. =20 Bush's ineffective fight on terrorism: Please directly attack Rice et al = for exposing the Pakastani mole in Al Qaida thus destroying the mole's = effectiveness-which Rice et al revealed simply to make the Bush team = look good and to justify Bush having used three-or-four-year-old = intelligence information, their purpose being to frighten the American = public to demonstrate the public should stick with Bush's war on = terrorism. Bush would even like to have another terrorist attack in = order to win the election. Why do anything to stop it? =20 Other points that should be added to these are related to Rand Beers' = initial five. Please consider, as you must have since he's worked on = your team (I respectfully submit he would be a terrific head of the = State Department), Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who has proved that Bush's = administration was actually lying to draw the US into war. They knew = they were lying about Niger selling uranium to Iraq, Rice, Cheney, the = whole bunch knew. Please see, which you may have already done, Joseph = Wilson's book, The Politics of Truth. The articles he wrote criticizing = the Bush administration (on many issues) are placed at the end of the = book. =20 Additions: 6. Rushing to war by duping the American public with lies. Lies include = knowledge that there were no weapons of mass destruction, that Niger did = not sell uranium to Iraq, that Bush stated these as his basis for war = but later claimed these were not the basis, he changed his tune, etc.=20 =20 7. Smearing people who have a valiant record, including yourself but = also the example of Joseph Wilson who attempted to unveil these lies. = Bush's tactics which are even illegal are similar to Watergate. =20 8. As part of # 4 above might be added: the proliferation of terrorism, = magnified by Bush's unjust violence in attacking a soverign nation which = has not threatened us, actions which only convince its populace that we = are invaders whose motives are profit. Please see Joseph Wilson's book = on this. =20 9. Strongly push examining the Bush relation to huge corporations like = the oil companies and Bechtel, and other private contractors given huge = profit in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. Please openly reference Michael = Moore's film, Farenheit 9/11. It's an immensely popular, moving film = where it has been allowed to be shown. Please emphasize that Bush's = policies do not benefit the common people of America, nor are they = welcomed by the common people of Afghanistan and Iraq whose countries = have been destroyed, the promised reparations of which are beyond our = means. =20 10. Use of our soldiers as fodder while undercutting their benefits and = pay and requiring added tours of duty. The facts on these matters have = been gathered by Moveon.org . Our soldiers are left exposed to attack in = Afghanistan and Iraq. The imprisoning and torture of Iraqi and Afghani = citizens and soldiers in circumstances that are human rights violations. = Left without legal recourse. This has been recently challenged: the = whole system should be pinned on Bush's govt. These have been = well-documented and serve to fundamentally refute Bush's claim that "We = did the right thing, and the world is better off." =20 11. The "God-issue". Apparently many people (including African = Americans) are going to be single-issue voters, choosing Bush because of = his religious advocacy. Is it possible to openly question his mistaken = (even blasphemous in Christian religion) delusion that God is speaking = to him directly, giving him a pass to go to war? I think you should = challenge this directly citing it as egotism which is blasphemous: ask = him about it-Where does he get off saying God speaks to him directly? = Especially as his presentation of this is perceived in the Middle East = as religious war against Islam, which is fostering terrorism. Draw the = American public into dialogue over this, inviting them to give their = views. =20 12. (foreign policy): apparently 30% of the Jewish vote in the US may go = to Bush because they feel his policies are good for Israel, because he = has backed Sharon thus retaining land for Israel. This view may include = wanting Iraq to be in future civil war or broken up. Is there any way = you can challenge that directly forcefully by pointing out that a sea of = enemies in continued violence and suffering are a far greater danger to = Israel in the future than peaceful, prosperous neighbors.=20 =20 13. Bush's corporation-serving policies on the environment. Please cite = the issues listed on Robert Redford's Natural Resources Defense Council = petition (40 West 20th Street, New York, NY 10011). Policies which do = not favor labor. The national deficit. Etc. =20 I respectfully submit that your raising these issues = with vigor, while it risks and ensures response, is necessary = immediately- or you might lose. To grab these issues by the horns takes = faith in the American public, that they can handle real treatment of = issues-because they do care about these issues. They must be made to = engage these issues by the way these are presented.=20 Emphasizing Bush's lies which are to delude and manipulate the = public-and his blasphemy as egomania which creates the extra = complications of a religious war-may propose a counter image (to your = being one who is waffling) and may get him on the run. =20 Thank you for opposing him. We are counting on you. We need you.=20 =20 Sincerely, =20 =20 Written by Leslie Scalapino, 5729 Clover Drive, Oakland CA 94618 I concur: =20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:53:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: urging Kerry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Leslie: I will print and post copies in Monroe County libraries. Thank you for framing and stating the situation, Gerald Schwartz Dear Readers of the Poetics List, It seems to me that John Kerry is not doing a good job in approaching the issues. I've written a letter to him, pasted below. Would any of you be interested in printing it, signing it, sending it to others, and mailing it to him by post mail? Also, do you know of other websites, political in nature, where one could post letters? Thank you -- Leslie Kerry-Edwards 2004, Inc August 12, 2004 P.O. Box 34640 Washington, DC 20043 Dear Senator Kerry, The public backing you wants you to directly challenge Bush's lies. I've contributed several times to your campaign, as a contribution to help in your election and the defeat of George Bush. I think this country, and the world, will be in very desperate trouble even more than it is already if Bush is able to secure another term. I've talked with friends, all solidly behind you, and we are frightened by the effect of Bush's baiting and propaganda techniques against you. In the New York Times today I read the article, "For Now, Bush's Mocking Drowns Out Kerry's Nuanced Explanation of His War Vote". I respectfully wish to comment that in order to 'beat' this image applied to you of "flip-floppy" and "waffling," please we request take a chance and speak strongly in reply. Some basic answers, which you may be using but are not being heard clearly enough, were provided already by Rand Beers in that NYT article: Complaints about Bush: 1. Rushing to war. 2. Doing it without enough allies. 3. Doing it without equipping our troops adequately. 4. Doing it without an adequate plan to win the peace. 5. Going to war without examining the quality of Bush's intelligence. Bush's ineffective fight on terrorism: Please directly attack Rice et al for exposing the Pakastani mole in Al Qaida thus destroying the mole's effectiveness-which Rice et al revealed simply to make the Bush team look good and to justify Bush having used three-or-four-year-old intelligence information, their purpose being to frighten the American public to demonstrate the public should stick with Bush's war on terrorism. Bush would even like to have another terrorist attack in order to win the election. Why do anything to stop it? Other points that should be added to these are related to Rand Beers' initial five. Please consider, as you must have since he's worked on your team (I respectfully submit he would be a terrific head of the State Department), Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who has proved that Bush's administration was actually lying to draw the US into war. They knew they were lying about Niger selling uranium to Iraq, Rice, Cheney, the whole bunch knew. Please see, which you may have already done, Joseph Wilson's book, The Politics of Truth. The articles he wrote criticizing the Bush administration (on many issues) are placed at the end of the book. Additions: 6. Rushing to war by duping the American public with lies. Lies include knowledge that there were no weapons of mass destruction, that Niger did not sell uranium to Iraq, that Bush stated these as his basis for war but later claimed these were not the basis, he changed his tune, etc. 7. Smearing people who have a valiant record, including yourself but also the example of Joseph Wilson who attempted to unveil these lies. Bush's tactics which are even illegal are similar to Watergate. 8. As part of # 4 above might be added: the proliferation of terrorism, magnified by Bush's unjust violence in attacking a soverign nation which has not threatened us, actions which only convince its populace that we are invaders whose motives are profit. Please see Joseph Wilson's book on this. 9. Strongly push examining the Bush relation to huge corporations like the oil companies and Bechtel, and other private contractors given huge profit in Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia. Please openly reference Michael Moore's film, Farenheit 9/11. It's an immensely popular, moving film where it has been allowed to be shown. Please emphasize that Bush's policies do not benefit the common people of America, nor are they welcomed by the common people of Afghanistan and Iraq whose countries have been destroyed, the promised reparations of which are beyond our means. 10. Use of our soldiers as fodder while undercutting their benefits and pay and requiring added tours of duty. The facts on these matters have been gathered by Moveon.org . Our soldiers are left exposed to attack in Afghanistan and Iraq. The imprisoning and torture of Iraqi and Afghani citizens and soldiers in circumstances that are human rights violations. Left without legal recourse. This has been recently challenged: the whole system should be pinned on Bush's govt. These have been well-documented and serve to fundamentally refute Bush's claim that "We did the right thing, and the world is better off." 11. The "God-issue". Apparently many people (including African Americans) are going to be single-issue voters, choosing Bush because of his religious advocacy. Is it possible to openly question his mistaken (even blasphemous in Christian religion) delusion that God is speaking to him directly, giving him a pass to go to war? I think you should challenge this directly citing it as egotism which is blasphemous: ask him about it-Where does he get off saying God speaks to him directly? Especially as his presentation of this is perceived in the Middle East as religious war against Islam, which is fostering terrorism. Draw the American public into dialogue over this, inviting them to give their views. 12. (foreign policy): apparently 30% of the Jewish vote in the US may go to Bush because they feel his policies are good for Israel, because he has backed Sharon thus retaining land for Israel. This view may include wanting Iraq to be in future civil war or broken up. Is there any way you can challenge that directly forcefully by pointing out that a sea of enemies in continued violence and suffering are a far greater danger to Israel in the future than peaceful, prosperous neighbors. 13. Bush's corporation-serving policies on the environment. Please cite the issues listed on Robert Redford's Natural Resources Defense Council petition (40 West 20th Street, New York, NY 10011). Policies which do not favor labor. The national deficit. Etc. I respectfully submit that your raising these issues with vigor, while it risks and ensures response, is necessary immediately- or you might lose. To grab these issues by the horns takes faith in the American public, that they can handle real treatment of issues-because they do care about these issues. They must be made to engage these issues by the way these are presented. Emphasizing Bush's lies which are to delude and manipulate the public-and his blasphemy as egomania which creates the extra complications of a religious war-may propose a counter image (to your being one who is waffling) and may get him on the run. Thank you for opposing him. We are counting on you. We need you. Sincerely, Written by Leslie Scalapino, 5729 Clover Drive, Oakland CA 94618 I concur: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:47:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference Columbia University & Barnard College Friday, Sept. 17 to Sunday, Sept. 19, 2004 registration is free but required Program and registration information: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/zukofsky/100/ Barry Ahearn, Charels Alexander, Helene Aji, Bruce Andrews, Jennifer Ashton , Charles Bernstein , Chris Beyers, Gregg Biglieri , Margaret Bruzeliu, Louis Cabri, Barbara Cole, Robert Creeley, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Thom Donovan, Craig Dworkin, Norman Finkelstein, Tom Fisher, Rob Fitterman, Ben Friedlander, Serge Gavronsky, Alan Golding, Michael Golston, Robert Grenier, Burton Hatlen, Michael Heller, Jeff Hilson, Brook Houglum, Erica Hunt, David Huntsperger, Ken Irby, Jonathan Ivry, Anurag Jain, Ruth Jennison, Robert Kelly, Abigail Lang, Hank Lazer, David LoSchiavo, Steve McCaffery, Julian Murphet, Thomas Nelson, Geoffrey O'Brien, Mikel Parent, Bob Perelman , Marjorie Perloff, Meredith Quartermain, Peter Quatermain, Joan Retallack, Jerome Rothenberg, Mark Scroggins, Ron Silliman, Paul Stephens, Nicholas Salvato, Joshua Schuster, Hugh Seidman, Harvey Shapiro, Kenneth Sherwood, Steve Shoemaker, Leonard Schwartz, Richard Sieburth, Rob Stanton, Jessica Smith, John Taggart, Jeffrey Twitchell-Waas , Anne Waldman, Barrett Watten, Henry Weinfield, Peter Whalen, Susan Wheeler, Dominic Williams, Tim Woods, David Wray, Steven Yao, & Giles Scott with Nancy Bower, Josh Lenn, Georgina Ingram, Reymond Wesley, Rich Martino, Don Wood, and Francine Lancaster ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:19:25 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA Comments: cc: flpoint@hotmail.com, ibid1@earthlink.net, moyercdmm@EARTHLINK.NET, CMJBalso@aol.com, alphavil@ix.netcom.com, harrysandy@kreative.net, Amzemel@aol.com, ac7460@wayne.edu, anastasios.kozaitis@verizon.net, Sondheim@panix.com, jf-garcia@uiowa.edu, akhasawn@umich.edu, bentatar@yahoo.com, cfj@umd.umich.edu, drlevitt@pacbell.net, emlevitt@pacbell.net, fraganhome@earthlink.net, jgaugn@umd.umich.edu, johliger@facstaff.wisc.edu, leon@leonmilo.com, lorber@freepress.com, slbogin@juno.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Ashcroft Threatens To Open Homeland Rehabilitation Camps: FBI Goes Head-Knocking for 'Political Troublemakers' As GOP Convention Expected to Draw Thousands of Free Speech Advocates: Cheney Urges Violence Against 'Protesting Motherfuckers': Bush Vows To 'Get 'em All': By ERICH LICHTBULBUS They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:05:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Administration Subject: job posting: Temple University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please post and pass along. Note the early deadline. The English Department at Temple University seeks a tenure-track faculty member in Twentieth-Century American Literature, rank open. We are particularly interested in scholars specializing in one or more of the following: Poetry and Poetics; History of the Avant-Garde; Literature and Society; Interdisciplinary Studies; Global Studies; Ethnic Studies. The College of Liberal Arts at Temple University is devoting significant resources to building the faculty across the humanities. Successful candidates teach a variety of courses and pursue an active program of publication. Searches will begin immediately; for fullest consideration, apply before October 1, 2004. Send letter, cv, dossier or names of three references, and writing sample to Susan Wells, Chair, English Department, Temple University, Anderson Hall, 10th floor, 1114 W. Berks St., Philadelphia PA 19122-6090. EEO/AA. The 2005-2006 Society of Fellows Post-Doctoral Fellowship The Temple Society of Fellows in the Humanities Post-Doctoral Fellowship is designed to support the work of new voices and talent in humanistic scholarship and teaching, whether from a humanities, social science, or interdisciplinary perspective. The successful candidate will possess the Ph.D. at the time of application, a strong research potential, and evidence of exemplary teaching success. The Society Post-Doctoral Fellow will teach up to 2 courses per year. The Fellowship may be renewed for a second year at the discretion of the College. Application materials must include a letter of interest, a current curriculum vitae, a sample of scholarly work, graduate transcripts, three letters of reference, and a proposal for an innovative, interdisciplinary course in the humanities that the candidate would most like to teach. The deadline for applications for the 2005- 2006 Post-Doctoral Fellowship is October 1, 2004. Please send application materials to Jena Osman Associate Director, Society of Fellows in the Humanities English Department Anderson Hall, 10th floor Temple University 1114 W. Berks St. Philadelphia, PA 19122 Hardcopy applications are preferred. For further information contact Jena Osman at josman@temple.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:04:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: moshi! moshi! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed moshi! moshi! bruise and growth http://www.asondheim.org/mono2.jpg we are learning the smile moshi! moshi! _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 23:54:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michelle reeves Subject: Re: Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I wish . . . I'm just starting to fall in love with Zukofsky... and look at that list of people at the conference . . .lots of greats. . . . would someone beam me there, please? maybe i'll live till the bicentennial? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Michelle Reeves Roswell, GA 30075 michellepoet@bellsouth.net - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Bernstein" To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference > The Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference > Columbia University & Barnard College > Friday, Sept. 17 to Sunday, Sept. 19, 2004 > > registration is free but required > > Program and registration information: > http://www.writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/zukofsky/100/ > > Barry Ahearn, Charels Alexander, Helene Aji, Bruce Andrews, Jennifer Ashton > , Charles Bernstein , Chris Beyers, Gregg Biglieri , Margaret Bruzeliu, > Louis Cabri, Barbara Cole, Robert Creeley, Rachel Blau DuPlessis, Thom > Donovan, Craig Dworkin, Norman Finkelstein, Tom Fisher, Rob Fitterman, Ben > Friedlander, Serge Gavronsky, Alan Golding, Michael Golston, Robert > Grenier, Burton Hatlen, Michael Heller, Jeff Hilson, Brook Houglum, Erica > Hunt, David Huntsperger, Ken Irby, Jonathan Ivry, Anurag Jain, Ruth > Jennison, Robert Kelly, Abigail Lang, Hank Lazer, David LoSchiavo, Steve > McCaffery, Julian Murphet, Thomas Nelson, Geoffrey O'Brien, Mikel Parent, > Bob Perelman , Marjorie Perloff, Meredith Quartermain, Peter Quatermain, > Joan Retallack, Jerome Rothenberg, Mark Scroggins, Ron Silliman, Paul > Stephens, Nicholas Salvato, Joshua Schuster, Hugh Seidman, Harvey Shapiro, > Kenneth Sherwood, Steve Shoemaker, Leonard Schwartz, Richard Sieburth, Rob > Stanton, Jessica Smith, John Taggart, Jeffrey Twitchell-Waas , Anne > Waldman, Barrett Watten, Henry Weinfield, Peter Whalen, Susan Wheeler, > Dominic Williams, Tim Woods, David Wray, Steven Yao, & Giles Scott with > Nancy Bower, Josh Lenn, Georgina Ingram, Reymond Wesley, Rich Martino, Don > Wood, and Francine Lancaster > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:00:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keith Waldrop Subject: 3 books from Omnidawn Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In October 2004, Omnidawn Publishing will release > > Devin Johnston's AVERSIONS > & > Martha Ronk's IN A LANDSCAPE OF HAVING TO REPEAT > & > Keith Waldrop's THE REAL SUBJECT, QUERIES AND CONJECTURES OF JACOB=20 > DELAFON, WITH SAMPLE POEMS. > > Omnidawn offers a prepublication price of $12 each or all three for=20= > $29 (shipping, handling, and sale tax included) through September 30,=20= > 2004. > Thereafter, regular price: $14.95. > > Please make checks payable to Omnidawn and mail to: > Omnidawn, 1632 Elm Ave., Richmond, CA 94805-1614 > > Here is some information about each book: > > About Keith Waldrop's THE REAL SUBJECT, QUERIES AND CONJECTURES OF=20 > JACOB DELAFON, WITH SAMPLE POEMS, > > Robet Kelly writes "Waldrop's character, though named for a famous=20 > French supplier of sanitary fixtures, seems tenderly American, readily=20= > taken aback by ideas, a pilgrim of the literal. This book is a=20 > delight-- think Mark Twain on a visit to Monsieur Teste, and none too=20= > impressed by what he finds, cigar ash dropped on the nearest Pascal.=94 > > Ben Marcus comments "...a brilliantly sidewinding embrace of=20 > uncertainty, a pulpit for arcane knowledge, and a cleverly constructed=20= > language filter that keeps out everything but beauty and strangeness." > > Marjorie Welish writes "To be and not to be, that is the=20 > speculation.... Keith Waldrop's poetic ear is as perfect as can be,=20 > his rhetoric as thoughtful as possible, romantic ironies evanesce.=94 > > **** > About Martha Ronk's IN A LANDSCAPE OF HAVING TO REPEAT, > > Ann Lauterbach comments that this poet "writes across, and through,=20 > the invisible boundaries that condition our lives: past and present,=20= > dream and waking, intimacy and estrangement." > > Bin Ramke writes that "[i]t is not so much Martha Ronk's voice as her=20= > vision which has become so necessary insistent, persistent,=20 > passionate, engaging simultaneously the familiar and the new." > > *** > About Devin Johnston's AVERSIONS, > > Susan Howe comments that these poems are "uncannily precise responses=20= > of an exacting lyric consciousness to the quotidian facts of=20 > experience. Accurate, supernatural, unexpected turns connect without=20= > connectives, as if by telepathic electricity." > > Michael OBrien writes that these poems "devote themselves to making=20 > distinctions. They take great care with cadence and music, but their=20= > art is, by conviction, unobtrusive.... convincing, full of regard for=20= > the world." > For more information, please see=20 > www.omnidawn.com. Omnidawn ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:26:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: How does one respond? 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit apres unsuccessfully failing to register for the Zuk conference..i was somehow reminded of teaching at Bklyn Poly in the early 70's (less than a decade after Zuk's retirement from) & taking out a h.c. copy of his TEST OF POETRY, that he donated, to the lib. which no one had ever bothered to take out, & which i never bothered to return..zela vie..drn.. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:23:18 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: dadaquote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII greetings, can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: "Poetry is made in the mouth" or is it "All poetry is made in the mouth" thanks, Christian Czara ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:51:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: dadaquote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 08/17/04 10:21:43 AM, khehir@CS.MUN.CA writes: > greetings, > can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: > "Poetry is made in the mouth" > or is it > "All poetry is made in the mouth" > > thanks, > Christian Czara > No, poetry is made by the mouth. M. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 13:11:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: dadaquote Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Dada manifesto, no? I read it in Poems for the Millenium... I still consider myself very likeable. >From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: dadaquote >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:51:01 EDT > >In a message dated 08/17/04 10:21:43 AM, khehir@CS.MUN.CA writes: > > > > greetings, > > can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: > > "Poetry is made in the mouth" > > or is it > > "All poetry is made in the mouth" > > > > thanks, > > Christian Czara > > > >No, poetry is made by the mouth. >M. _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:05:58 -0400 Reply-To: johnandtrudy Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: johnandtrudy Subject: Lisa's Blog and Factory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Poetics List Readers: I am selling weird stuff (knitted hats, Republican National Convention anti-Bush t-shirts, CDs, etc.) at the following website: www.angelfire.com/poetry/lisajarnot/factory.html. (I've decided that being an adjunct professor is boring, so I want to start into a new line of work as a factory manager.) I also now have a blog at www.angelfire.com/poetry/lisajarnot/blog. I'll be including information updates re: protests in NYC over the next couple of weeks. All best, Lisa Jarnot jarnot@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:21:16 -0400 Reply-To: ronhenry@clarityconnect.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: <-1355446593039584937@unknownmsgid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:23:18 -0230, Kevin Hehir wrote: > greetings, > can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: > "Poetry is made in the mouth" > or is it > "All poetry is made in the mouth" I think the Tzara quote was closer to "Thought is made in the mouth." The cite -- Googling "tzara thought mouth" brings us this quotes website, -- might be: "Dada Manifesto on Feeble Love and Bitter Love," sct. 4, La Vie des Lettres, no. 4 (Paris, 1921). Googling on that title brings us perhaps the full text of that manifeso here: http://www.391.org/manifestos/tristantzara_dmonflabl.htm Looks right but authenticity (this is the web, after all) not guaranteed. -- Ron Henry / AUGHT http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/aught.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:11:29 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's the original french say? On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, at 01:21 PM, Ron Henry wrote: > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:23:18 -0230, Kevin Hehir > wrote: > >> greetings, >> can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: >> "Poetry is made in the mouth" >> or is it >> "All poetry is made in the mouth" > > I think the Tzara quote was closer to "Thought is made in the mouth." > > The cite -- Googling "tzara thought mouth" brings us this quotes > website, > > > -- might be: "Dada Manifesto on Feeble Love and Bitter Love," sct. 4, > La Vie des Lettres, no. 4 (Paris, 1921). > > Googling on that title brings us perhaps the full text of that > manifeso here: > http://www.391.org/manifestos/tristantzara_dmonflabl.htm > > Looks right but authenticity (this is the web, after all) not > guaranteed. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:20:21 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: <3E83E71A-F081-11D8-9DE4-000393ABDF48@mwt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.spielberger.net/15/n.html « la pensée se fait dans la bouche. » Thought is made in the mouth cyrill. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:35:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: <1092770421.41225a75b021e@imp6-q.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable or, more poetically, thought makes itself in the mouth. At 9:20 PM +0200 8/17/04, Cyrill Duneau wrote: >http://www.spielberger.net/15/n.html > >=AB la pens=E9e se fait dans la bouche. =BB > >Thought is made in the mouth > > >cyrill. -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 15:49:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Ed Sanders B-day Party, Tomorrow, NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I'm taking part in this great event Bob Holman has put together tomorrow (his flyer is below). Hope you can make it. best, David ---------------- Please Forward ---------------- Rise Up and Abandon the Creeping Meatball! Ed Sanders Turns 65 at Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery, NYC tomorrow, Wed, Aug. 18, 7-10 p.m., $6 Part of HOWL Festival "We demand the Politics of Ecstasy! our leaflets thundered Rise up and Abandon the Creeping Meatball! ---though, 30 years later, it seems a tactical error to announce that 500,000 people were going to make love in Chicago parks" --Sanders, 1968 Celebrate ain’t the word. More like incantate the rumba. But there shall be DANCING in Aisles (except no aisles at Club) as we launch Ed’s new book, the Third Volume of America: A History in Verse (1962-70) AND merrymake the 65th cake! TULI KUPFERBERG WILL BE HERE!! but since he doesn’t know for how long, he goes first. Then Everybody Else. Ed will perform. Eddie Berrigan will sing Ed’s song for his dad. Avid David Kirschenbaum will elucidate 1968. David Henderson will reminisce. Bob Holman will Praise Ed. "The Yippie Film," which Ed made for the Chicago 7 trial but was not admitted into evidence will be screened. Miriam will be here. The Billionaires for Bush will bring in the cake. Surprises will. Special guests will be! CU!! Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (Bleecker-Houston) (across from CBs) NY, NY 10012 F or V to 2nd Av 6 to Bleecker 212-614-0505 Bob Holman Bowery Poetry Club - 308 Bowery - 10012 - 2126141224 Visiting Professor, Columbia School of the Arts - rh519@columbia.edu 2123346414 - fax: 2123346415 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:08:17 -0400 Reply-To: ronhenry@clarityconnect.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Henry Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: <2405299936633840921@unknownmsgid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:11:29 -0500, mIEKAL aND wrote: > What's the original french say? "Ceci n'est pas une pipe dans ma bouche", perhaps? -- Ron Henry http://people2.clarityconnect.com/webpages6/ronhenry/ought.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:50:00 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: cfw Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Call for Writings by and about Women Whose Lives have been Affected by HIV/AIDS Calliope Women's Chorus invites women whose lives have been affected by HIV/AIDS (whether in your own life or a loved one's) to share some of your experiences through writing of any style-poetry, prose, fragments, or whatever format you might wish to use. Selections from the written works submitted about women's experiences with HIV/AIDS will then be used for the text and inspiration of a new composition commissioned specifically for Calliope Women's Chorus. The 8-12 minute work will be composed for women's chorus and piano, and will be premiered by Calliope at the fall concert, Positive Women, on December 4 & 5, 2004. Music Director J. Michele Edwards and the composer whom we commission will work together with the women whose writings are selected throughout the entire creative process, which will be a collaborative effort. The women whose writings are selected will receive a monetary stipend for their contribution to the composition. FFI: contact J. Michele Edwards by email at Edwards@macalester.edu or at 651-699-1077. Send to CalliopeWC@aol.com or Calliope Women's Chorus, PO Box 80077, Minneapolis, MN 55408. Call for Submissions: Writings on Black LBGTQ/SGL Org's Deadline September 15th, 2004 This historic book will explore the history of black lesbian, gay, bisexual, same gender-loving, queer, in the life, and transgender groups, gatherings, and organizations over the last 34 years. We are seeking submissions-scholarly articles, first-person narratives, participant reflections/memoirs, interviews, poetry, and photography-by scholars, researchers, journalists, photojournalists, and most especially by or about people who have been key leaders or members of a black lgbt/sgl/q organizations and organizing. For more information and submission guidelines contact: heru@profoundmoments.com. Grants for Gay-Positive Arts Projects Based on, or Inspired by, History Short Fiction in all Disciplines Postmarked by midnight November 30, 2004 The Board of Directors of The Arch and Bruce Brown Foundation is pleased to announce a Writing Competition for the Foundation's 2004 writing grants. Submissions may include Short Stories, One-act Plays or short film or video projects. All works must present the gay and lesbian lifestyle in a positive manner and be based on, or directly inspired by, a historic person or event. One work per author, please. All works must be unpublished, original, and in English. Adaptations or translations of other works of fiction are not acceptable. The winners selected by the judges will be announced in Spring 2005 at the Annual Lambda Literary Awards and will receive a cash award of $1,000. (Not limited to a single winner.) FFI: visit http://www.aabbfoundation.org/shortfiction.htm -- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 21:24:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Heidi Lynn Staples Subject: Syracuse University On-line Fall 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All! I'm facilitating an on-line poetry environment, "The Living Changes: Sophomore and Advanced Poetry Workshop", for Syracuse University this fall. In case you might be interested in participating, here's a quote from the syllabus: "This course is intended to help you engage more fully with your own poetry and your writing process by writing your own poetry, responding to the efforts of others in your writing community, and emulating the practices of other writers. The course focuses on innovation in the language arts, with the intention that your range as a writer and your sense of artistic possibility will expand. Plus, it's meant to be fun. We will read and study a range of compositional methods and styles that privilege writing as an experience and process, and we will engage an active and creative writing life. Reading is essential to an artist's development, and for this reason, we will read and discuss a book by several living authors." Folks seem to really enjoy the course, get a lot of writing done, and often develop signficantly. We'll respond to the following texts, as well as spend time reading and discussing the online poetry and poetics worlds: Ron Padgett, The Teachers and Writers Handbook of Poetic Form David Lehman, The Evening Sun Joe Wenderoth, Letters to Wendy's Eric Baus, The To Sound Lee Ann Brown, The Sleep that Changed Everything Loren Goodman, Famous Americans Harryette Mullen, Sleeping with the Dictionary James Wagner, False Sun Recordings Anytime is the time to write again. --Gertrude Stein If you're interested in taking the course, please feel free to back-channel me with any questions. Chrs, Heidi Heidi Lynn Staples co-Editor, Parakeet editors@parakeetmag.org 115 Roosevelt Avenue Syracuse, New York 13210 315-472-9710 http://mildredsumbrella.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:29:44 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Stefans Subject: Free Space Comix redesign Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm really happy with this... http://www.arras.net/fscII/ Reading at Birckbeck {chatter} [August 17, 2004 12:43 PM] I'm moving to Providence {chatter} [August 12, 2004 09:48 AM] Taliban Pounds Rice {poem} [July 20, 2004 10:37 AM] The People's Guide to the Republican National Convention {link} [July 19, 2004 10:28 AM] Attitudes And Non-Attitudes In May {poem} [July 15, 2004 07:57 AM] DengDeng {chatter} [July 14, 2004 03:19 PM] Pac-Mondrian {link} [July 13, 2004 10:14 AM] Fark Goes After New York Post {link} [July 12, 2004 10:14 AM] 2 New Flash Polaroids {flash polaroid} [July 9, 2004 10:44 AM] Monthly search report for http://www.arras.net/weblog/ {poem} [July 1, 2004 04:13 PM] Question 8 for 9x9 {chatter} [June 28, 2004 04:34 PM] Electronic Desires (Maxwell's Demon) {poem} [June 26, 2004 10:56 AM] Naropa Sound Files {link} [June 23, 2004 10:07 AM] p0es1s: The Aesthetics of Digital Poetry {review} [June 21, 2004 03:12 PM] Photos from /UBU Opening, June 3rd at LFL Gallery in Chelsea {photo} [June 17, 2004 07:22 AM] A blurb for Craig Dworkin's Strand {chatter} [June 15, 2004 11:57 AM] ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:52:48 -0400 Reply-To: jennifer@poetrysociety.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "jennifer@poetrysociety.org" Subject: CIRCUMFERENCE Issue 2 launch event MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please join us=2E Tuesday, August 24th, 7:30 PM CIRCUMFERENCE: Poetry in Translation Launch Party, Issue 2 To celebrate the publication of Issue 2 of CIRCUMFERENCE, acclaimed translator=20 RICHARD HOWARD and poets/translators M=D3NICA DE LA TORRE and SEAN=20 SINGER will read poetry from France, Chile, Cuba, and Poland=2E The evening will feature video work by PIERRE BISMUTH, RAINER GANAHL, and = A=20 CONSTRUCTED WORLD=2E Chilean wine will be served=2E Issue 2 presents poetry written around the world and features a section of= poetry from=20 Cuba and Iran=2E This section was curated in protest of the declaration ma= de last Fall by=20 the Treasury Department=92s Office of Foreign Assets Control stating that editing works=20 written in nations under a U=2ES=2E trade embargo would constitute a breec= h of the=20 embargo=2E Admission: $5, free with purchase of journal Swiss Institute - Contemporary Art 495 Broadway (between Spring & Broome), 3rd Floor New York, NY 10012 (212) 925-2035 For more information email editors@circumferencemag=2Ecom or visit=20 www=2Ecircumferencemag=2Ecom=2E -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:07:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: of the wonder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed of the wonder we should say this repeatedly: we love the net. it has grown unbelievably over the past decade - what we take for granted today, could never have occurred even fifty years ago.to be able to communicate world-wide and in close to real-time - with all the faults and impoverishments - and to be able to communicate within and without warzones. to be able to see someone continents away, to be able to smile in awe at the presence of webcams bringing the surface of the planet closer and perhaps more understandable. the faults are endless, and we're all aware of them, to the extent that our usual approach is a barrage of practical and theoretical critique. but we should never forget what still appears as a miracle, a kind of electronic alterity reaching almost to the stars, quietly bringing with it new modes of communities, languages, genders, gatherings, and both saying and speaking. we wake up every day to this, and we must remind ourselves, constantly, of the beauty of this world, these worlds. otherwise we will be lost forever. open your eyes wide to the net, love the new and still fresh membrane of our lives. speak in whispers, speak in awe. _ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:44:07 -0500 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer.... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nite, winter welcome home.... 3:00...cold under blanket...drn... ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:32:16 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata@KUNST.NO Subject: wow we're deleted Comments: To: WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 600-700 nm red and orange caliber rode (oaring noh clipboard) if you suddenly should die, that's a nice thought, stammel souled daw thoughtway (quite) those wet rocks look interesting tusch (less intervened) my apples (as an exclamation) mee afflicting (as am exclamation) otherwise it's frightening (if it's only me) odorously it's forest what surfing (grave mistakes, superficial amendment) sorbent hexagram 0xnn, wild swines, insanity, chasm, willet incensed, cesena from one sec to another entropical bingo, that's like rand(rand()) entropical buoyancy, that's loge oh well, it should be easy, easiest way out, soult boohoo eggs what remains difficult. what remains, difficult, backformation facile difficulty. wide romanization diff. whitey clear (that's clear) color (that's clear) trail, motorway, fiber, plasma, limbs and senses with different speeds, = trolley, midyear, fever, polygonal, lineups mitosis wad deferring specs accelerators (language), the whiz and the banal accelerometer my hens are tide (happended) = maya hyenic area toad (did happen) vargnattan grav vargnattan grippy animation farm (ch ur ch generation, the same is the same, stillife, double posistion of l)(church generatrix, isaiah thy shiny, dfl posistion of one) same M as W (Ms. Ewawes) scan m aqua w sdfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjf sdfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjf jffjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjf (you could imagine jffjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjf (you cleat inconsiderateness this as feet) twx aggie feet) looking for an loganiaceous faerie idea it lights up too much after rain, depression area, want to be whether the muss afterward rim, twi boh menighet menighet signal conflict mai nesetne masse ddjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjf (limp) dialig dejlijg djjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjdjdjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfjfj han hun det osv i i i i had this wonderful enlightenment this morning, or it was someone else, anyway, someone, and whatever, maybe enlightenment, if it means anything, how would you know, and so... i tug tejo mourning wig, samoan annoy, seaman, muff emulousness, if anything, wealthy you know, show half-dried grape stems look interesting, something arabic from popeye = half- dried grub steam leach introverted, scantness arpeggios fromm. i wouldn't like to compete in sailing, you can't trust wind, it's bingo hal +bodycontrol, whatever, idleyes they're weary heppy wouldn't lows// computerization in solemnisation (wab), yahweh can't tristan windy, it's bunche heel swanee olson bade they're power puppy the adventure, what's that? something out of control? gold medal in drowning, i'm sorry i get morbid, the door slams by itself. gold modulo drammen section, i'm sewer deere scowling beau itself i put the clock to sleep, the tick get on my nerves, why not explode, ie patio tai clack twa slob, twae thicks guide, why explain position, pling, seventh floor postmillenarianism, pling, spontoon fouler the sea is quite huge, this metaphor is quite huge, this huge is quite metaphor... squid hussy, quiet hussy, quetta modifier i should pay some attention to my body before it's to late sellout shown attenuator toy beeper what do you guys think of entropy? it's really the sun (with yaws goy) the moon is an illusion, your funny faces (toy mum yare fan fogies) list of countries drinking milk, pale-faced anemic animited start positions (strategics pseudoanemics) the second time around is deluded the sun shines only once, that my clock, it doesn't tickthat my clock, it doesn't tick __ wreathus isbn 82-92428-08-9 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 09:24:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Tills Subject: Black Spring first issue not for profit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I still have a couple hundred copies of Black Spring, the first issue. =20 Poets in first issue: Brent Bechtel, Catherine Daly, kari edwards, = Stephen Ellis, Jim McCrary,=20 Christine Murray, Layne Russell, Steve Tills. I have abundant copies for anyone, first come, first serve, FREE, just = backchannel me your mailing address or request. If you have students or = a venue where regular readers hang out, I will gladly provide extra = copies. Would appreciate postage monies, though, about $1.30 or so to = most places in the U.S., a bit more for overseas and for multiple = copies. =20 Again, not looking to make a profit. Just wanting to get these good = first issue contributors out there. =20 Sincerely, Steve Tills P.S. Originally, I had hoped to offer copies to anyone making a = contribution to groups like MOVEON.org, PFLAG.org, DFA.com, or = comparable groups and causes. I never quite worked out the logistics = for that kind of thing, but it's still a thought... :)=20 Steve Tills Microcomputer/Software Specialist MIS Dept.- G.W. Lisk Company, Inc. 315-462-4309 Stills@gwlisk.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:17:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: John Baldessari Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed STILLS: MOVIE FILES Via John Baldessari STILLS: MOVIE FILES Stills, the order. Don’t I? Moment the laughing (watching) looking light letter shape (blur) shape. Macho (area) missing (monsters) masks movement mutilation message obstacle. Vulnerable interiors (impair) injury, exteriors ephemeral eat escape. Form females forest falling. Foreground fire, interiors (impair) injury. Laughing exteriors shape (blur) shape. STILLS: MOVIE FILES Stills, which form a large part of the raw material, attack animal. Animal/man above building, below barrier blood, bar books banal bridge. Chairs curves cheering money music. Movement masks (monsters) missing, revive reason. Desire small shape (smear) shape (awkward). From this the rather hopeless desire to make words & images interchangeable will notice the words falling into their own categories, two being files of movie stills. Barry Alpert _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:43:04 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: dadaquote MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe the original post included a request for citation. In case no one has provided this thus far, "Thought is made in the mouth" comes from Tzara's Dada Manifesto On Feeble Love and Bitter Love, section four. The context is as follows: "Must we no longer believe in words? Since when do they express the contrary of what the organ that utters them thinks and wants? Herein lies the great secret: Thought is made in the mouth." Tzara is clearly positing a natural, organic nexus between language and biology, with the biological "self" the privileged force. On the other hand, Tzara's Cartesian tendencies lead him to doubt everything ("DADA places before action, and above all: Doubt.") DADA is not quite in line with current ideas of language's/culture's creation/control/direction of the self. It also resists communal/collective thinking and action. For example, Tzara writes that "The person who steals -- without thinking of his own interests, or of his will -- elements of his individual, is a kleptomaniac. He steals himself. He causes the characters that alienate him from the community to disappear. The bourgeois resemble one another . . . . They are all very poor." Best, Bill WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 12:55:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Working Hypothesis on the orgone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed This hypothesis recently crystallized, so I figured I would toss it into the waters... here goes 1) Wilhem Reich developed his conceptualization of the orgasm by negating the possibility of sublimation. His thesis was that concept of sublimation (as presented in Western Christianity) was only another for of sexual repression. My major contention is that eastern practices (with a focus on yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical, not intellectual, sublimation. Even breathing/ meditation practices (combined with the importance of posture) could be in the same realm of physical sublimation. I recently read that yoga roughly translates as union, or a union with life energy. My hypothesis being that yoga releases the same orgone energy as an orgasm, unifying what Reich referred to as the pysche/ soma split, or a moment of harmony. For any more information on this last part, PLEASE READ Wilhem Reich. I would argue that what I have defined as physical sublimation does not destroy or eliminate the human biological drive. Instead, it would release energy that would otherwise cause neurosis, in other words it would eliminate the prescence of a sexual stasis (using the language of Reich). 2) Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle of chakras (I apologize if the spelling is incorrect). Furthermore, in both Reich's conceptualization of the human body & in all the spiritual derivatives of a basic yogi root, the body is centered on the pelvis region (the lowest chakra). This region is often given the signifier of the 1 Thousand Petal lotus. For Reich is was more a matter of biological necessity, but two sources seem to come to the exact same conclusion. Please refute... _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:55:15 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: I'll be a wow-man soon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A chap from the social coffee-shop gave me a grey suit with thin darker stripes. Someone I didn't know before offered me a digital vocoder via an internet list. Soon I'll be a true poet. Cyrill. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:14:27 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: I'll be a woaw-man soon MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A chap form the social coffee-shop gave me a classy grey suit with thin darker stripes. Someone i didn't know before offered me a digital vocoder through an internet mailing-list. Soon I'll be a true poet. cyrill. (¸.•'´(¸.•'´ `'•.¸)`' •.¸) ¸.•´ ( `•.¸ `•.¸ ) ¸.•)´ (.•´ `*. *. shooting yourself in the balls is not the way to have a happy life http://dolmensniper.motime.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:57:03 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: UFPJ Sues NYC For Central Park Rally MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >>> please forward widely >>> NY ACTION ALERT * UNITED FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE http://www.unitedforpeace.org | 212-868-5545 ============================================ GET UPDATES ON THE LAWSUIT + MORE AT OUR MEETING TONIGHT Wednesday, August 18 at 6:30PM Washington Square Methodist Church 135 W. 4th St., between 6th Ave. and Washington Square Park ============================================ Rallying in Central Park is a right, not a privilege! United for Peace and Justice filed a lawsuit today in New York State Supreme Court over New York City's denial of the use of Central Park for a rally on August 29, after our legal, permitted march past Madison Square Garden. We are seeking a court order to allow the rally to proceed. The lawsuit - UFPJ vs. New York City Mayor Bloomberg, Parks Commissioner Adrian Benepe, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and the City of New York - asserts that Central Park has traditionally served as a forum for free expression, and that by denying us its use, New York City is violating our Constitutional rights to free assembly. To learn more about the lawsuit and get updates on other aspects of the organizing for August 29, please come to our final citywide mobilizing meeting at 6:30PM tonight, August 18, at Washington Square Methodist Church, 135 West 4th Street. The filing of this lawsuit means that we probably will not know the final destination for our march until the very last minute. (Our assembly time and location remain unchanged: Gather at 10:00AM at Seventh Avenue and 14th Street, for a march beginning at noon.) We've faced this situation before: It was just days before our massive February 15, 2003 antiwar protest that we were able to announce the details for our event. Then, too, Mayor Bloomberg hoped that the uncertainty would keep people away, but he failed miserably: Hundreds of thousands of you showed up for one of the largest protests in New York City's history. The best way for us to counter the City's efforts to stifle our protest is to do everything we can in these next ten days to ensure the largest, broadest possible turnout on August 29, when we will march past the site of the Republican Convention to call for an end to the divisive and destructive policies of the Bush Administration. Make sure all your family members, friends, and coworkers know that our legal, permitted march is going forward, no matter what happens in court. Make sure they know that - whatever the tabloids and the TV news might say - we are committed to a peaceful protest, one that kids, seniors, immigrants, and people with disabilities can attend, and that we will march in a spirit of nonviolence. Make sure they tell their friends about the protest, and that they join us at 10:00AM on Sunday, August at Seventh Avenue and 14th Street, to send a message so loud it cannot be ignored: We're sick of the lies, sick of the greed, sickened by the war and the hate, and we want a change. In solidarity, United for Peace and Justice ============================================ AUGUST 29, THE WORLD SAYS NO TO THE BUSH AGENDA! Massive Protest at the Republican National Convention, New York City http://www.unitedforpeace.org/rnc * Assemble at 10:00AM, Seventh Avenue @ 14th Street * March steps off at noon ============================================ Where to pick up leaflets, stickers, buttons, and posters in NYC: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/centers We have downloadable leaflets in seven languages: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/leaflets ============================================ We need your financial support to make August 29 a success: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/donate ============================================ To receive email updates on the August 29 RNC protest, visit: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email ============================================ _______________________________________________ noRNC mailing list noRNC@mediajumpstart.net https://secure.mediajumpstart.net/mailman/listinfo/nornc For more information about the RNC, check http://www.rncnotwelcome.org | http://www.rncwatch.org | http://www.counterconvention.org To unsubscribe from this list write to: noRNC-unsubscribe@mediajumpstart.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:38:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Howl! Festival Reading at The Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, friends, the 2nd Annual Howl! Festival of East Village Arts is upon us, and we are having a suitably celebratory reading in the front yard* of St. Mark's Church on Saturday, August 21 at 6pm, featuring: Edmund Berrigan David Henderson Eliot Katz Mariana Ruiz-Firmat Prageeta Sharma Jacqueline Waters Karen Weiser Admission is FREE and St. Mark's Church is, as usual, located on the corner of East 10th St and 2nd Ave in Manhattan. (212) 674-0910; info@poetryproject.com. We hope to see you there! * or Parish Hall, should Saturn be against us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 13:05:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: dadaquote In-Reply-To: <53.13653793.2e538365@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > In a message dated 08/17/04 10:21:43 AM, khehir@CS.MUN.CA writes: > > >> greetings, >> can someone help me find the source for the Tzara line: >> "Poetry is made in the mouth" >> or is it >> "All poetry is made in the mouth" >> >> thanks, >> Christian Czara >> > > No, poetry is made by the mouth. > M. "Poetry is a mouthful" Is a translation I thought I saw somewhere. Accurate or not, as translations, both versions work for me. Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 16:34:41 -0400 Reply-To: amyhappens@yahoo.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: contact info In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you have contact info for Anna Maria Hong, please b/c me. Thank you. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:24:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Keith Waldrop Subject: new from Burning Deck Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Burning Deck Press / Anyart . 71 Elmgrove Avenue . Providence,=20= RI 02906 www.burningdeck.com Bernard_Waldrop@Brown.edu We are pleased to announce vol. 46 in the "Burning Deck Poetry Books"=20 series. Beth Anderson OVERBOAQRD Poetry, 80 pages, offset, smyth-sewn ISBN 1-886224-69-2 originhal paperback $10 ISBN 1-886224-70-6 original paperback, signed edition $20 Publication date: September 15, 2004 William Carlos Williams writes, =93There is a constant barrier between=20= the reader and his consciousness of immediate contact with the world.=20 If there is an ocean it is here." Anderson goes =93overboard=94 into = this=20 ocean, scrutinizing our awareness of contact. By extension, going=20 overboard is a method of travel, from a surface, through air, to water=20= or somewhere else. These poems are of the air, of the time spent=20 considering the water and where we want to be. They work with a fusion=20= of discursiveness and discontinuity that seems paradoxical and unlike=20 anybody else. Beth Anderson=92s first book,THE HABITABLE WORLD (Instance Press, 2001),=20= was a finalist for the Poetry Society of America=92s Norma Farber First=20= Book Award. Her poems have appeared in NEW AMERICAN WRITING, THE GERM,=20= BARROW STREET, THE BEST AMERICAN POETRY OF 2003, and AN ANTHOLOGY OF=20 NEW (AMERICAN) POETS (Talisman House, 1998). She is an editor of=20 Subpress, a cooperative small press publisher of poetry. =93With their gorgeous locutions and turns, their heady breath,=20 Anderson=92s poems haunt, inhabit, and conjure the world.=94=97Peter = Gizzi =93Anderson is a master of the syntactic measure, blending novelistic = and=20 essayistic tones with first-person statements that retain a cool=20 observational air without ever feeling aloof...=94 =97Steve Evans, NOTES TO POETRY [2002-23] Copies are available from: Small Press Distribution, 1341 Seventh St., Berkeley, CA 94710;=20 1-800/869-7553 www.spdbooks.org, orders@spdbooks.org In Europe: www. h-press.no, post@h-press.no NB. Burning Deck is now on sabbatical leave until late fall 2005. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:11:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: FLOR Y CANTO: Live music and poetry in Los Angeles Aug 22 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit +++++ CalacaList +++++ ListaCalaca +++++ ¡CONTRA LA GUERRA! Calaca Press opposes the occupation of Iraq. FLOR Y CANTO Live music and poetry Sunday, August 22nd 7:30 pm Mama's Hot Tamales 2122 W. 7th St (Across the street from MacArthur Park) Featuring Yaotl (Aztlan Underground) Ariel Robello (Full Moon Phases) Chapters of El Vuh Jime Salcedo-Malo (de San Pancho/Los) Cheryl Samson (Balagtasan Colective) Manuel Salcedo (Street Dialogue) Michaelle Jenane Youth from Plumas y Palabras Collective at Para Los Ninos Others TBA  DJ, tamales, plus more  Donations welcomed to benefit the Rohini Research Project *Rohini Research Project is an organization working with orphan and blind children in Vietnam to become economically self sustainable while keeping traditions alive by teaching skills such as massage, crafts and traditional songs. Info: Jime 650-784-9139 -- =================================== Calaca Press P.O. 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From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: AFROMEXICO FILMS WEB SITE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Rafael Rebollar Corona" AFROMEXICO FILMS WEB SITE This site¹s intention is to become an informative tool based on discussion about the different aspects that characterize the African heritage in Mexico. The core of this project consists in the realization of a series of video documentaries that explore different aspects of the African-Mexican people. PARTIAL LIST OF LINKS: AFROMEXICO http://www.afromexico.org/ingles/ingles.htm THE AFRICAN-NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY & GENEALOGY WEB PAGE http://www.afromexico.org/ingles/ingles.htm AFRICAN ROOTS STRETCH DEEP INTO MEXICO By Roberto Rodriguez & Patrisia Gonzales http://www.afromexico.org/ingles/ingles.htm Pan African Film Festival http://www.afromexico.org/ingles/ingles.htm ARTMATTA PRODUCTIONS http://www.afromexico.org/ingles/ingles.htm Films from Africa & the African Diaspora Titles from Continental Africa, Black Europe, Black U.S. / Canada, South America, Caribbean, Black Australia, Collaboration Africa & the West, New Releases. Interview with Ayana Vellissia Jackson and Marcos Villalobos on El Negro Mas Chulo: African by Legacy, Mexican by Birth by Christina Violeta Jones MUNDO AFROLATINO http://www.mundoafrolatino.com/english/articleA.htm Based on existing historical and personal field research, El Negro Mas Chulo: African by Legacy, Mexican by Birth is a photographic exhibit that addresses Afro-Mexicans living on the Pacific and Gulf Coasts of Mexico. Through fictionalized letters based on oral, visual, and historical accounts, El Negro Mas Chulo traces the shaping of contemporary Afro-Mexican roots while exposing this under recognized segment of the Diaspora. The fictional letters featured in the exhibit are written in the voice of Gaspar Nyanga addressed to a contemporary African American woman living in North America. Images accompanied with the text were photographed in the town of Yanga, as well as in parts of Guerrero and Oaxaca, located on the Pacific Coast of Mexico. The project was created by photographer, Ayana Vellissia Jackson and writer, Marcos Villalobos. Ms. Jackson is a graduate of Spelman College. Her past work has been featured in Fader magazine and Russell Simmon's One World magazine. Her photography in El Negro Mas Chulo celebrates the culture of Afro-Mexicans while Mr. Villalobos's poetic phrases narrates the African history. MundoAfrolatino.com caught up with Ms. Jackson (AVJ) and Mr. Villalobos (MV) to discuss art, writing, and El Negro Mas Chulo. Christina (CV): Where were you from? AVJ- Naughty-ville E.O -- East Orange, NJ MV- I m from Woodlandia, Califas, between a soccer field and a cornfield, north of a sugar mill, south of a tomato cannery, from the crossroads that connects farm owners to farm workers, a little spot in the Sacramento valley whose population was mostly Anglo and Mexican while I was growing up. At the moment I live in Brooklyn, NY, where I¹ve been for about nine years now. CV: How did you get interested in Latin American and Caribbean history and culture, specifically with the African Diaspora communities in these countries? AVJ- One night or rather early one morning, my mother woke me up, told me to get dressed and pack my bag, "we are going to Madrid". I don't think this was my first trip abroad, but it was certainly the first I remember. I had to be like 6 or 8. I remember because when I went to bed I had no idea I was leaving the country on a red eye the next morning. I honestly don't remember much else from that trip other than not understanding what people were saying and the strong smell of armpit funk. But it was the language that stuck with me. I'm nosy and I stare (that is probably the beginning and end of my story). I wanna know. So I decided I needed to learn Spanish. That's part one. Part two is that at least 75% of all my crushes throughout high school were on Latin men... Ecuadoriano, Puertoriqueno, Xicano, Dominicano, Peruano. I had it bad. I remember one of my first boyfriends (we actually only dated over the phone and in the hallway at school. I wasn't allowed to go out with guys) was Peruvian and his mom didn't speak English. I was furious that I couldn't communicate with her (when you're dating over the phone, telephone messages are really important). Part three is my father's Universal Language West African Music and Dance Ensemble. In addition to his work in Jazz, he toured the east coast visiting high schools and community centers with his band. They played music from West Africa and the Diaspora, that's where I first heard the word. That is also where I first learned that as an African in the US, I had something in common with my Latino cousins. I learned early on that the only difference between them and me was the language of the words written on the slave ship. So with those three factors as my teachers throughout my adolescence and teenage years, I came to this interest naturally. It's part of who I understand myself to be. MV- Being Xicano in northern California s agricultural based economy of the early seventies is something as special and educational as being a Guajiro in the Cuban revolution, or being an African American in Panther era Oakland: you re born into a period of time when people around you are fed up of taking shorts. So, change becomes part of who you are. Not to romanticize, but I feel like I grew up in the middle of Latin America, and my hometown is in a geographic area that many would consider beyond the margins of Latin America proper. For me, however, the radical arts of Lowriding for example, is a form of identity preservation and evolution that parallels certain elements of Black Nationalism, Pan-Americanism, and the very perseverance that is the African experience where Diaspora is concerned. As a living breathing bleeding person in the 21st century, I don t particularly feel tied down to identity in such a way that I wouldn¹t be interested in the universal struggle of any particular Diasporic community, especially those that surround me. CV: What made you interested in using Latin American and Caribbean history and culture in your work? AVJ- I mentioned earlier that my Sociology thesis was on Race relations in Latin America and the Caribbean. After experiencing two different Latin America's during my junior year abroad, I realized I could not approach or even discuss race relations in the Dominican Republic and Argentina using the same assumptions. I decided to partition the region into Afro-Latin, Euro-Latin, and Mestizo Latin America. It was during this study that I discovered that there are still Afro-Mexican communities in Mexico. This was in 1994. It blew my mind. Afro-Mexicans? Who ever heard of such a thing? Unfortunately there is very little historical information on them. But anyway, after I graduated, I moved to Miami where I had lots of fun with my Cuban brethren. I maintained my interest, but research went on pause. It took a few years for me to get things together. I knew I had an academic interest but I was also developing this art. I went through a lot of stress and turmoil to get to the point where I could say that my goal as a photographer is to master the use of the camera as a sociological tool. This has caused me much trouble in the New York art scene. I went for a meeting with the Bronx Museum, I was being considered for their Artists in the Marketplace Program for emerging artists. During my interview I was asked, ³at what point does your work leave documentary and become fine art²? Huh? What kind of question is that? To this day I wonder? I don t know, why does it matter? At the end of the day all fine art serves is as a documentation of an era and a people. But this is my problem with the art scene. Folks are caught up in language, tradition and nonsense. Of ultimate importance is how my audience can grow by experiencing my work. Anyway and on one side I am completely self taught, figuring it out as I go along, pretty ignorant to the rules and history of fine art and crazy irritated by work with no intellectual purpose. I¹m all for self expression, but I believe in taking people from one place to another, not just deeper into me or what I think is elegant. On the other hand, I have this cannon of dead white men in my brain along with their really restrictive and boring means for communicating ideas and observing our society. So I finally decided I could get my point across by using the methodology of one medium and the tools of the other. It wasn't until I moved to NY and met Marco that Latin America and the Caribbean became a theme in my projects. MV- Well, I will say that living in Gringolandia almost forces one into salvaging what we can of history. And this goes back to the question about how traveling effects creativity. On recent trips to Mexico, I was blessed to learn of certain historical events that screamed to be retold-- I m talking here about cultural crossroads, shared history between Americans of varying complexion, and not a shared history that pits one group against another, but the unspoken history that tells a truthful story, but also a humane story. I¹m interested in using culture to unite populations rather than simply distinguish one from the other. I m interested in giving proper respect to varying cultures and then highlighting the point at which those cultures become a progressive exchange. Let s face it, we¹ve known for sometime now that history s been in desperate need of some balancing; addressing that issue by letting culture work through you is really the most personal and honest way there is. CV: How did you meet your partner, Marco Villalobos, who collaborated with you on this project? AVJ- Marco and I met at an "industry" party in New York. He was writing for a magazine I was interested in shooting for. A mutual friend introduced us and I was given a heads up on this crazy insane article he wrote about California low-rider culture. We became friends almost immediately. El Negro Mas Chulo came out of one of our first conversations. I asked him if he knew anything about the Afro-Mexicans, he mentioned an aunt of his who he always suspected was part Black. A year and a half later we were on our way to Guerrero. MV- This is funny & Mutual friends introduced Ayana and I at an industry showcase one night. At the time, I had a lot on my mind so I sort of blew off the initial encounter and only went through the motions of a handshake and a hello, nice to meet you. But about half an hour later Ayana approached me to talk, and I, having not really paid attention when I met her, mistook her for a completely different girl who I thought was cute. Basically, I thought Ayana was this girl with whom I had a history and who I hadnŒt seen in some time, so I thought she was trying to kick game. I was like, bring it! But after about a minute, I realized that I had no idea at all who this person was, so I got my head together real quick and we went from there. Of course, Ayana may have an altogether different story-- and that s what I m talking about when I say that history needs balance. CV: Why did you decide to name the exhibition, El Negro Mas Chulo? AVJ- Ah man, Lupita. Padre Glynn, a priest in El Ciruelo suggested that we stay with one of the families in his Parish. He has been doing a tremendous amount of work with the Afro-Mexican community, including an annual Encuentros de los Negros. We had come to interview him and visit some of the surrounding towns. I must start by saying Marco and young children are like peas in a pod. All I know is I come out onto the porch one afternoon and he's got little Lupita reciting this poem, stopping, starting, giggling falling out and starting over. It went on for over an hour. First she'd sing a song then he'd play it back, and then she'd do another. In the end, El Negro Mas Chulo became the title because (in my opinion) it was one of the few affirming tales of Afro-Mexican existence. It confronts racism and boasts unwavering pride in Blackness. We thought it was appropriate. MV- The project title comes from a poem that a seven-year-old girl and her tenyear old brother in el Ciruelo, Oaxaca, recited to us. I used a minidisc recorder to conduct interviews and one day I was playing around with these kids whose mother had taken us in for an evening. One of the kids, a real cool little girl named Lupita began to sing into the mic and eventually she came out with this poem that starts off: ŒYo soy El Negro Mas Chulo que ha parida de esta region¹. You know, coming from the Hip Hop generation of the States, something like that just sounds so nice out of a seven year old s mouth. It s like a brag or a boast, you know‹ŒYo soy el negro mas chulo¹, I m the flyest black man to come outta this whole area, boom! Ayana and I sort of looked at each other and our jaws dropped. I was like, do it again, do it again! We mustŒve recorded Lupita reciting the piece five times. But it Œs a long poem, so sheŒd stop in the middle and forget the words. It was hilarious. Lupita would start off so enthusiastically and then forget the way. Eventually her older brother did the straight up command performance version-- complete reclamador style. I mean, besides the poemŒs sharp cadence, the opening sentence alone completely inverts racial stratification and testifies to a very organic pride in self and culture. So, when it came time to name the project, we felt as though the project had already been given its name. The original poem is called El Negro Chulo, and it s by Abel E. Baños Delgado who was also born in the state of Oaxaca. CV: How was your experience in Mexico while you were there taking pictures for this project? AVJ- Amazing! All we knew going into the project was that Vera Cruz was a major slave port and that there was a museum dedicated to Afro-Mestizaje in Cuaji. The plan was to get on a bus and start asking questions. I remember being excited as we boarded in Mexico City, because I saw an older woman waiting to board a different bus. She had an almond complexion and tightly curled silver hair. She was sitting peacefully on her bags of goods. The sight of her gave me butterflies (it is one thing to read about something and quite another to look it in the face). I asked Marco to ask her where she was from (I was suddenly bashful). He introduced himself, they chatted for a while. She smiled up at him and told him a few places to visit. He gets back on the bus. I ask if I should take her picture. He says of course . So I climb off the bus, introduce myself, tell her about the project and ask to take her portrait. She -- just like almost everyone featured-- laughed at me then gave her consent. We wished each other well and went our separate ways. Eight hours later the sound of little girls talking wakes me up. I open my eyes and see two little brown faces with loose curls carrying packages of food and cartons of juice up and down the isle. It was 7:00 or so in the morning. We had arrived in Cuaji. I will never forget the moment I stepped off the bus. Leaning up against a pillar in the parking lot were two men in conversation. They smiled at me as they continued to talk. I couldn't stop staring at their hair, their skin, their noses, lips, eyes and facial hair. I thought I was looking at people in my own family. And everywhere I looked for the next three weeks I saw nothing but black skin. I must say again, it is one thing to read about something and quite another to experience it. Marco and I had to constantly remind ourselves that we were in Mexico, because after a while it felt like quite a different place. Once I got over the shock of getting what I came for, the butterflies came back. "How exactly am I going to walk up to people and ask to photograph them just because they have black skin"? I remember walking out of my hotel room with my camera in my purse and sitting down on a curb a few yards later trying to figure out how I was going to do this without objectifying these people and committing the same crime as many a photojournalist working for National Geographic. How can I be respectful? I must have sat there for an hour and smoked half a pack of cigarettes. It is one thing to conceive and another to execute. I put out my last cigarette and decided to trust my intent, my sensibilities and myself. After that everything opened up. I must say it is wonderful to have had Marco there. The oral history, the personal interviews and conversations made a big difference in subsiding my initial worries as well as in relaxing those I was photographing. In the end I believe the viewer is looking at a whole being with an incredible legacy, not just black skin over bones. MV- The experience was dope! To start off, our flight from Brooklyn was delayed because of the northeastern region s blackout, which occurred the day we were scheduled to fly to Mexico. Ultimately though it was appropriate, because we were about to go on this mission to investigate blackness and on the day of the flight a very symbolic form of blackness embraced us. Once we got to Mexico everyone was very helpful, giving us books and referring us to the work of experts on the subject. People told us what towns to visit and everyone that we spoke to referred us to another set of folks to talk to. For the most part, people were real open and warm and inquisitive and supportive. The whole experience was so informative on multiple levels that the project, though we¹ve honed it down to some essential elements, still has a lot of unrefined potential. WeŒre ready to go back and keep it moving. CV: What other projects do you have in mind for the future? AVJ- For me it's all one long project. Non-territorial nation-state --maroon colonies, Ghanaian Hip Hop, Cuban Hip Hop -- these young people are a part of the Hip Hop nation which I consider a modern day maroon colony made up of people all over the world who live hip hop culture daily; Afro-punk - anarchists people of color, maroons. The story of Yanga and the Afro-Mexicans who are descendants of a colony of self liberated Africans is just an early instance of the maroon spirit that is alive in all conscious people of the world. So it's all the same thing to me. It's documenting instances of self liberation and self definition among peoples of the Diaspora. I will mention, that I will be going to Berlin this summer to study as a guest student at the University of Art, Berlin. There I will be documenting the Turkish Hip Hop scene as an addition to the work I've been doing on the Hip Hop non-territorial nation-state. MV- Good things are coming. Ayana is working it out with the camera. She s got other areas of the African Diaspora that she s focusing on. Plus, she s very dedicated to documenting music scenes that involve underrepresented communities. As for me, IŒm banging out my first novel, writing more poems, and looking forward to collaborating with a homeboy of mine on a movie project. Everything s on bubble. As a priority though, we re concentrating on taking this project to as many people that we can, especially in places like schools and cultural centers. CV: What advice would you give for other young aspiring artists such as yourself? AVJ- GOYA - Get Off Your Ass! That's really all I can say. Contribute by any mean necessary. Keep it moving! MV- The only advice I could give is the obvious: read! Read a lot, and read out loud so you can hear the music. Think about what makes you happy and write about that. Write when you get mad. Write and write and read and write and rewrite and remember that you have an audience that starts with you. Viewers can check out El Negro Mas Chulo at www.avjphotography.com First Published June 21, 2004 Christina Violeta Jones is a freelance writer based in the Virginia/DC area. Her articles have appeared in Urban Latino, Dominican Times, Latinvip.com, Latingirl and Clave Magazine. -\ ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:22:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrea Baker Subject: 3rd Bed Call for Chapbooks Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 3rd Bed is currently accepting submissions of chapbook length (minimum of around 15 pages) poetry selections for possible inclusion in our Winter 2004 issue (#11). Please submit work by September 13. Chapbook submissions are being reviewed via email only. Please use the email title Chapbook Submission Your Name and send to poetry.ed@3rdbed.com. Please see back issues or our general guidelines at http://www.3rdbed.com for aesthetic and tone. Some previously published work is OK but an acknowledgements page naming published poems must be included with submission. The poetry editors are also very open to reviewing mixed-genre work. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 02:11:08 +0000 Reply-To: Maria Villafranca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Villafranca Subject: open mic reading nyc tomorrow night! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Open Mic poetry reading at the Dactyl Foundation, August 19th: Dactyl Foundation for the Arts & Humanities 64 Grand Street (between West Broadway & Wooster) SoHo, New York 10013 212-219-2344 www.dactyl.org Open Mic/Emerging Poets series Thursday, August 19, 2004 7-9pm $7 donation. Drinks will be served. Open to all writers and the general public. Please visit www.dactyl.org for the reading list and more information. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:56:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Charles Thomas Subject: poetics and poemics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii __________________________________________________________________ from 8 July 4is it possible between the elephantphrases of theory etic and thedislocate verse emicto uncover a verb poem , poet ?no. I can only sayis infinitive un-covercan say .Not s u f f i c i e n t Ifear ; hmmm . . . __________________________________________________________ Tijuana Gringo www.geocities.com/tijuanagringo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:04:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Charles Thomas Subject: poetics and poemics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii from 8 July 4 __________________________________________________________ is it possible between the elephant phrases of theory etic and the dislocate verse emic to uncover a verb poem , poet ? no. I can only say is infinitive un-cover can say . Not s u f f i c i e n t I fear ; hmmm . . . ________________________________________________________ Tijuana Gringo www.geocities.com/tijuanagringo --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! 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i attempt to shout and flout what imight be stout if i could - ll, that' no more to be sure, not a whit of it, unctainly, anyway:: ___ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 23:44:58 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Chavez Trounces Cheney, Dick Demands Recount: Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ What Next for Venezuela, Mr. Cheney? Roger Noriega Promises More Economic Sanctions, Political Gridlock, Coups, Attempted Assassinations and Blood Money For Elite Or Did Chavez Strike A Deal With The Gringo Devils To Eliminate The Venezuelan Elite As Middle Man: Venezuelan Elite Corrupt 'Beyond Belief' Says Halliburton Attorney, Roy Cohn By MORI BUND SHINANIGAN Chavez Trounces Cheney, Dick Demands Recount: Peasants Defy US, Vote in Record Numbers: Bush Threatens Military Intervention: Chavez calls Venezuelan Oil 'Safe For The Moment': Carter Calls Referendum 'Much Cleaner Than US Elections': By ANDREW SKEWSKY AND FABIOLA PUTA-CARA They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in th e sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:08:35 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Working Hypothesis on the orgone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The part I don't understand is this: If Reich "negates the possibilty of sublimation" and if "eastern practices=20 (with a focus on yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical... sublimation," then how is=20 Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle of=20 chakras? The second point I am not clear about is the distinction between physical an= d=20 intellectual sublimation. I would have thought sublimation implies the=20 conversion of the phsical into the spiritual/intellectual. Isn't Reich's box (or is body armoring something else?) a means against=20 suppression? Of what, the body? Could then Yoga be the reverse, a tool again= st the=20 suppression of the spirit by the body?=20 A little of dada is appropriate here: ideas are made in the mouth (or at the= =20 tip of e-mail exchanges). Ciao. Murat In a message dated 08/1804 1:07:09 PM, ianvanh@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > This hypothesis recently crystallized, so I figured I would toss it into=20 > the > waters... here goes >=20 > 1) Wilhem Reich developed his conceptualization of the orgasm by negating > the possibility of sublimation. His thesis was that concept of=A0 sublimat= ion > (as presented in Western Christianity) was only another for of sexual > repression. My major contention is that eastern practices (with a focus on > yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical, not intellectual, > sublimation. Even breathing/ meditation practices (combined with the > importance of posture) could be in the same realm of physical sublimation.= I > recently read that yoga roughly translates as union, or a union with life > energy. My hypothesis being that yoga releases the same orgone energy as a= n > orgasm, unifying what Reich referred to as the pysche/ soma split, or a > moment of harmony. For any more information on this last part, PLEASE READ > Wilhem Reich. I would argue that what I have defined as physical sublimati= on > does not destroy or eliminate the human biological drive. Instead, it woul= d > release energy that would otherwise cause neurosis, in other words it woul= d > eliminate the prescence of a sexual stasis (using the language of Reich). >=20 > 2) Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle o= f > chakras (I apologize if the spelling is incorrect). Furthermore, in both > Reich's conceptualization of the human body & in all the spiritual > derivatives of a basic yogi root, the body is centered on the pelvis regio= n > (the lowest chakra). This region is often given the signifier of the 1 > Thousand Petal lotus. For Reich is was more a matter of biological > necessity, but two sources seem to come to the exact same conclusion. >=20 > Please refute... >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:49:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Working Hypothesis on the orgone In-Reply-To: <9.311b28b8.2e5581c3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I can't for the life of me understand what body armoring (which isn't the infamous box, it's something you do with your muscles if you haven't had enough Reichian analysis) has to do with chakras. I understand even less why anyone would want to conflate yoga and any kind of analysis. Are we dealing with a Joseph Campbellian exercise, designed to demonstrate the sameness of all things? And an exercise that requires belief in the orgone. Oh my. Mark At 09:08 PM 8/18/2004, you wrote: >The part I don't understand is this: > >If Reich "negates the possibilty of sublimation" and if "eastern practices >(with a focus on >yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical... sublimation," then how is >Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle of >chakras? > >The second point I am not clear about is the distinction between physical and >intellectual sublimation. I would have thought sublimation implies the >conversion of the phsical into the spiritual/intellectual. > >Isn't Reich's box (or is body armoring something else?) a means against >suppression? Of what, the body? Could then Yoga be the reverse, a tool >against the >suppression of the spirit by the body? > >A little of dada is appropriate here: ideas are made in the mouth (or at the >tip of e-mail exchanges). > >Ciao. > >Murat > > >In a message dated 08/1804 1:07:09 PM, ianvanh@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > > This hypothesis recently crystallized, so I figured I would toss it into > > the > > waters... here goes > > > > 1) Wilhem Reich developed his conceptualization of the orgasm by negating > > the possibility of sublimation. His thesis was that concept of sublimation > > (as presented in Western Christianity) was only another for of sexual > > repression. My major contention is that eastern practices (with a focus on > > yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical, not intellectual, > > sublimation. Even breathing/ meditation practices (combined with the > > importance of posture) could be in the same realm of physical > sublimation. I > > recently read that yoga roughly translates as union, or a union with life > > energy. My hypothesis being that yoga releases the same orgone energy as an > > orgasm, unifying what Reich referred to as the pysche/ soma split, or a > > moment of harmony. For any more information on this last part, PLEASE READ > > Wilhem Reich. I would argue that what I have defined as physical > sublimation > > does not destroy or eliminate the human biological drive. Instead, it would > > release energy that would otherwise cause neurosis, in other words it would > > eliminate the prescence of a sexual stasis (using the language of Reich). > > > > 2) Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle of > > chakras (I apologize if the spelling is incorrect). Furthermore, in both > > Reich's conceptualization of the human body & in all the spiritual > > derivatives of a basic yogi root, the body is centered on the pelvis region > > (the lowest chakra). This region is often given the signifier of the 1 > > Thousand Petal lotus. For Reich is was more a matter of biological > > necessity, but two sources seem to come to the exact same conclusion. > > > > Please refute... > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:22:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Announcing Attention Span 2004 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit how does one participate what info is needed by you ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:02:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: two important short films by alan sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed two important short films by alan sondheim http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim for godardusa for hollywood _ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:13:41 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Of murder and a friend ... Comments: To: Thco2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Of murder and a friend ... Peace, I am reminded Of murder and a friend shot through the head behind a police station I am reminded of Anthany James Dawson pounded into a coma on the streets of Victoria by police officers I am reminded Of the self lynched black and Native youth sentenced to death by the callousness and mental pimpin of this city… cuz they consume native and black boys I am reminded; "keep a cool head" as the song by marcus Garvey goes. I am reminded; “I recall that my great master the late Grand Ayatollah (Hossein) Boroujerdi once said: “I am a different man every day.” This statement expresses an important point: that no one can claim to have access to the absolute truth, and that everyone should always strive to correct one's positions and views in the direction of the superior truth. Yet, what one has achieved as a result of one's sincere efforts at any given time can be taken as evidence of truth, and one should adhere to it until one has reached a superior truth, or has discovered one's own error.”-- Ayatollah Hossein ‘Ali Montazeri ...and dig the samizdat Islam as dissidents and antipoverty revolutionaries -- a Muslim as a revolutionary one step forward from Sandinista I'm noticing more bullying, more propaganda -- the propaganda of hate and self deception coming out of my town; even within the artist community and the left (which has never really been open minded – simply pretentious in it’s blue haired decadence – it’s post modernist fascism = hacks) -- all are afraid of the powers they posed to be against or are have fallen inline with them for profit -- and the ignorance which they hid behind, with their middle class political correctness, is showing itself to full effect. the trend is to find a moral high ground to hide behind to express your hate for the samo people you've always oppressed -- niggers, natives and sand niggers. It transforms into the metaphor of invasion -- invasions of noble peoples, the psychic, the emotional and physicals assaults of those who dissent, be they overseas or across the street. The treachery has come to the point of hiding your odi(N)um behind a cause celeb – the defense of white wimmyn hood (kinda like the south during the civil war), the gayousie gated community and crime … reaganomic and mulronyISM in hemp funKAY gear with a alternative twist. it seems that the left only concerns itself now with white rich homosexuals, pagans, the business community and their security forces. on the anniversary of Anthany James Dawson's murder by the VDP all that our "HEP" weekly "Monday Mag" (now a Provada for the city and the thugz) would concern the citizens with is the DIStraction of cellulite around the city and why gay men have a bad body image. Our so called left remained silent …yes…we had to hear of the struggles of white folk -- an amerikkkan vegan looking for imported food in prison and old middle class caucasoid woman claiming native land for the neocolonist – the environmentalist. “All they’re doin is telling us black kids and everybody that’s minorities that our life isn’t worth anything” -- Fun da Mentalz -- Seize The Time Nada on the issues next issue following, our false journalist rage another siege on the The Hood/Fernwood/New Palestine (for a second time). Fernwood is one of the hoods in this town of vcitoria, bc, with the most nonwhites, especailly young and growing urban Native community – something not liked by even the left = ‘why can’ they state on the reservation’. The only voices heard from folk are the white and the middle class. The supremacist propaganda is aimed at the section of New Palestine with the most the Natives and poor. The solution offered is not a 10 Point Program, following in the foots steps of the noble Black Panthers – no we don’t make heroes or role models or even listen to nonwhite people—we destroy them and get them to lynch themselves = less messy no evidence. We build to destroy by constructing juvi halls and more prisons)… NO!!! We a call for more policing in a largely native and poor area – what a slap in the face to the memory of Gerald kaboni, Jeff Berg, Ian Hunter, Anthany Griffith and Anthany Dawson… the problem with Fernwood are not the Natives, the poor and the nonwhites = drugs, drug dealers = redzoned (banded from downtown) = the poor = drugs addicts and drug dealers and junkies and nonwhites B.U.T. the influx of white supremacist, racist renting policies -- the bigots who are looking for an alternative gated community = police and thieves …oh yeah. could this be more of an excuse for the gentrification and clean up of New Palestine for the wealthy and the south Africans with stolen booty? The yuppies looking for a homes away from the east with their darkies? and for the yuppies’ cool kids looking for pads away from mom and dad? Or on their way to the rich and paled up semi-education centre of UVIC ...let's not forget the olympics – and the city's rococo abomination of crackedout fibreglass whales infesting every block and corner replacing the homeless who once stood there with no shelter, food or caring. "Like dogs living in a household, natives are literally given scraps from the tables of their conquering masters. A few hundred thousand dollars are given to the natives in order to make them a dependent race with no future ambitions of independent Statehood. From the perspective of the master, it would be unthinkable for a dog to rise up and reclaim its lands and dignity in the form of Statehood. The pet dog has been conditioned to be content with his doghouse, meagre scraps, and its master’s rules. It would be an understatement to say that dogs are treated more humanely than aboriginals in their doghouse-reservation-like existence." --Alden C. Mayfield -- Cowboys and Indians: Perspectives on Patterns of U.S. and Israeli Colonization victoria as a bad amerikkka = kkklans men and aryans in che t-shirts colonizing the occupied terrorities of a once native island. The magazine, has(cks), like our left, become an advert/propaganda for urban planning. Alas, garnering the cause of gentrification in New Palestine, as well as, for the entire city, which has become a cloned wasteland of the dying yuppy gay berg of what was once san francisco. people seem to be afraid to stand up for anything or anyone or cause which the powers have declared to be an enemy of the state....i guess all the vacations to the civilized gated communities of so caL (southern cali) has left our left with a taste for life in the suburbs without niggers, native, sandniggers and the poor. the failure of the poser west’s left/anarchist, with photocopier access, has left the Che rockin combat cool kids, racist white bwais in dreds and aging Hippicrits in shame cuz they chose, not exile or revolution or even guaranteed income, B.U.T. static quo - the compliance with the state, as did the german peoples with the nazis during the hitler regime or the white citizenry in amerikkka, as blacks were beaten to death and lynched as did those who ghettoize and killed the Irish, as are the haitians colonized and captured by kkkanada and west, as did the anglo blokes when the french, in quebec, were beaten and left in ghettos for not speaking english, as our Iraqi bredden and sistren are attacked today yet they form human shields against oppression. as are the palestinians left to be exterminated by the riechstag of israel, the U.S.less, ukkk and their all LIES. Most people just watched, turned a blind, joined up, denied everything later or bragged of disgust they never felt in their safety: So, in that tradition of fear, in the tradition of those who signed loyalty contracts and gave up names of comrades to the HUAC during the 50’s, in favour of surrendering their talents and their career to mediocrity and white 50's comatose existence, our left pose and suck back coffee in their white folk only cliques of activist impotence, burying their heads in the sand or up the posteriors of sagging nudity, found in photo spreads disrespecting women, as they transform and transendanger radicalism with conformity towards the neocon/noelib agenda of policing and decadent DIStraction. It seems the only peoples willing to make or take a stand in the name of and for the advancement of the cause against tyranny = ignorance are those we are told are villains, criminals, nare do wells, anitgays, sexist and terrorists... so be it then are the new heroes, the new radicals and revolutionaries for a new a millenium. "These poor Indians are incapable of producing cinema films to show the reality of what happened. But the Americans can produce many films to present the American soldiers as poor people who are defending civilization, and they place red feathers on the heads of the Red Indians picturing them as ignorant and immoral barbarians, and that they are attacking the peaceful Americans who in fact came and raped their lands and built forts on them." -- Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah So be it that then -- this radicalism is found in peoples called criminals and the so called backward violent faith of Islam because they do what the left and the poser anarchist will not -- care for the poor, they show strength, and are willing to stand up to tyrants. Then so be it then -- that those the robber barons call criminal, therefore, muslim, who are supposed be terrorist; those who follow the path of islam, and choose to follow the way/do of TRU civilization/thought/Knowledge Wise Dome Understanding are the only hope for Freedome Justice Equalty -- our overcoming the oppressors in this the twisted era of greed and callousness--for were not Che, the Black Panthers and Blacks, who learned to read, once considered criminals, as well as, women who tried to vote. Was not Malcolm once Conned and assumed that all was as the oppressors said until he found the voices of the TRU radicals – not lost in the what Eliot called the “wasteland”. “ …a white man can’t fight a guerilla war. Guerilla action takes heart: takes nerve and he doesn’t have that.” -- Malik el Shabazz -- “The ballot or the Bullet” People once quoted Mao and Marx and now in this era Shariati, Malik Shabazz, Ali ibn abu Talib, Leonard Peltier, The Native Youth Movement should be counted among the revolutionary voices of all students and Tru radicals and the actions of the Russian revolution, the Cuban revolution should not be forgotten B.U.T. the heroes of the new revolutions should be honoured and preserved – from Iran to Iraq to Palestine to Ireland to Quebec… B.U.T will the revolution against tyranny and oppression ever travel here or is that what our enemies are afraid of are we too DIStracted and CONvinced of fear = their power? Is that what our enemies count on? “My friend, Ali sacrificed his life for these considerations: School of Thought, Unity and Justice. It was evident in his twenty-three years of struggles and sacrifices to establish faith in the hearts of barbaric parties. It was evident in his twenty-five years of silence and endurance in order to preserve Islamic unity and save it from the dangers of the Roman and Persian empires. It was evident in his five years of work and suffering to achieve justice, using his sword to destroy hatred and liberate man. Though he was not able to achieve this, he managed to impart to us the meaning of the leadership of mankind and religion. He placed his life and the life of his family on these three slogans: School of Thought, Unity and Justice!”—Dr Shariati people are hanging the the posers who wear those Che t-shirts out to dry, and using the media and their lies as wrapping for fish and chips, as the TRU rock their hoods with Sadr, Nasrallah, The Native Youth Movement, the almost forgotten and coopted Black Panthers and their TRU comunity activism, The New Black Panther party, the words and Knowledge of Ali Ibn Abu Talib, Mumia Abu Jamal, Leonard Peltier, Rose Henry, Big Garlic Bobcat, Junious Ricardo Stanton, The Carbon Afrikan Nation, Aaron Vidaver, Osiris, Abu Jamal, Watanabe, Shariati, Kwame Ture, Rev Davin Ouimet, Malik el Shabazz, the prophecies of Garvey and Honourable Elijah Muhammad. … people raise the picture of Che or put his face up on walls and/in windows -- perhaps they should consider also a heart closer to our hoods -- Anthany James Dawson as a symbol of the martyrs of North Amerikkka like Amadou Diallo and all the fallen everymen darker than blue. word (s) …and those we see risking their lives, standing strong without the spotlight and lies and the media/propaganda for the system which tries and lies to crush us all. I am reminded of building a case… khoda hafez 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC Mysterious Death of Native Artist: Anthany Dawson http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/24950.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/28178.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/27436.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2003/09/16739.php http://resist.ca/story/2004/6/26/11430/2391 ANTHANY DAWSON FACT SHEET - Rose Henry August 2002 http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/20251.php http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/29211.php ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 13:06:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: my Alan Sondheim is bigger than yours (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed reality check - Alan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 06:37:50 -0700 From: John Young To: nettime-l@bbs.thing.net Subject: Re: my Alan Sondheim is bigger than yours Cyrill, Your Sondheim valorization is commendable if you can keep it up. There is a point when getting in bed with Alan leads to being tied to it, like Seinfeld's George Castanza, expecting swell mutual high-minded fucking, then your bedmate suddenly comes out of the bathroom fully street-clothed, rifles your wallet, finds little there, accuses you of being an idiot putz for failing to meet his thieving expectations, for believing he was the man of your dreams, for falling for a slick seduction exploiting your low esteem, for your thinking this is a man who knows my finer qualities, can boost my future when it was bleak. Philosophical sadists, artists of the con art, excel at that stroking of mindful aesthetes preparatory to rendering them obedient, the masterful auto-erotic narcissists contemning their slaves ever dreaming abject praise will stop the addictive torture. Your panhandling for contributions indicates it is too late to escape Alan's pimpage, still, I will pray a genuine fundamentalist ideologue comes to your rescue, frying pan to fire ending the delirious pain of the lost boy. Alan was once my hero, my mentor, my sole voice of mother-fathering solace. Then came the signs of disease, the rejection, the blame, the ridicule, the ostracization, the eviction from acceptable discourse, the being found by others who'd also suffered from Alan's olympian conceit, his ever-searching for victims to toy with. We warn you, pity your state of false belief. # distributed via : no commercial use without permission # is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: majordomo@bbs.thing.net and "info nettime-l" in the msg body # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nettime@bbs.thing.net ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 14:32:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: Sun & Moon/Green Integer Availability?? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello everyone, Anyone know what's going on with Sun&Moon and Green Integer? There are a bunch of titles I'm trying to get for a local bookstore. Neither SPD nor Consortium seem to have them. They say some have been canceled, out of print, etc. Anybody know what's going on? Is GI going to print versions of all the old S&M stuff? I'm looking for LAB's Polyverse Schaeffer's Nova Swenson's Noon Hocquard's work generally and others Are any of these titles remaindered/squirreled away anywhere? Thanks in advance. Ken http://desertcity.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:40:36 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Hamilton-Emery Subject: New titles from Salt : September 2004 Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable NEW TITLES FROM SALT FOR SEPTEMBER 2004 P O E T R Y :: F I C T I O N :: C R I T I C I S M Watch out for the fantastic fall promotion!! (r)evolution -- September 2004 Coming Soon! Order now from SPD! ORDERS: 1-800-869-7553 ORDERS@SPDBOOKS.ORG FAX: 1-510-524-0852 WWW.SPDBOOKS.ORG All other enquiries to Jen Hamilton-Emery jen@saltpublishing.com Phone +44 1223 882220 9am-5pm GMT Fax +44 1223 882260 anytime ROBERT ARCHAMBEAU "Home and Variations" ISBN 1844710491 $14.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710491.htm CHARLES BERNSTEIN Introduction by Ron Silliman "The Sophist" ISBN 1844710009 $17.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smc/1844710009.htm RACHEL BLAU DuPLESSIS "Drafts: Drafts 39=AD57, Pledge, with Draft, unnumbered: Pr=E9cis" ISBN 1844710726 $19.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710726.htm ANNIE FINCH "The Encyclopedia of Scotland" ISBN 184471036X $14.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/184471036X.htm ALLEN FISHER "Gravity" ISBN 1844710343 $20.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710343.htm MATTHEW FRANCIS "Where the People Are: Language and Community in the Poetry of W. S. Graham= " ISBN 1876857234 $26.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/sscp/1876857234.htm FORREST GANDER "The Blue Rock Collection" ISBN 1844710459 $14.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710459.htm KATIA KAPOVICH "Gogol in Rome" ISBN 1844710467 $14.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710467.htm JOHN KINSELLA & TRACY RYAN "Conspiracies" $17.95 ISBN 1844710181 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smf/1844710181.htm JOHN KINSELLA "Doppler Effect" $24.95 ISBN 1844710203 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710203.htm JOHN MATTHIAS "New Selected Poems" ISBN 1844710408 $24.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710408.htm SIMON PERRIL "Hearing is Itself Suddenly a Kind of Singing" ISBN 1844710106 $15.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710106.htm ROBERT SHEPPARD "Tin Pan Arcadia" ISBN 1876857897 $15.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1876857897.htm NATHANIEL TARN "Recollections of Being" ISBN 1844710556 $14.95 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710556.htm Best wishes Chris _____________________________________________________ Chris Hamilton-Emery Editor=20 Salt Publishing=20 PO Box 937, Great Wilbraham PDO Cambridge, CB1 5JX, UK tel: +44 (0)1223 882220 (direct and voicemail) fax: +44 (0)1223 882260 mobile: 07799 054889 email: cemery@saltpublishing.com web: http://www.saltpublishing.com ____________________________________________________ **OUT NOW! Hank Lazer "Elegies & Vacations" ISBN 1844710084 http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710084.htm ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:31:30 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: my Alan Sondheim is bigger than yours (fwd) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit not a sondheimer nor a buigueser. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:18:09 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Swift Boat Veterans For Lies, Self-Medication, Money & Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Swift Boat Veterans For Lies, Self-Medication, Money & Money For Self-Medication: Vietnam Vet Suckers Enter Ring For Kleptocracy But Get Rabbit Punched By the Fourth Estate: Like Vietnam, the Iraq War Is A Coloring Book Of Kleptocratic Perfidy And Theft, But America Is Still Eating The Crayons: By YASO ADIODI The Assassinated Press 8/19/04 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:46:28 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Fwd: collaborations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (¸.•'´(¸.•'´ `'•.¸)`' •.¸) ¸.•´ ( `•.¸ `•.¸ ) ¸.•)´ (.•´ `*. *. shooting yourself in the balls is not the way to have a happy life http://dolmensniper.motime.com/ ----- Forwarded message from dolmensniper@free.fr ----- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:37:18 +0200 From: dolmensniper@free.fr Reply-To: dolmensniper@free.fr Subject: collaborations To: "WRYTING-L : Writing and Theory across Disciplines" collaborate [kə'læbəˌreýt] verb [intransitive] 1 - [often foll by on, with, etc.] to work with another or others on a joint project 2 - to cooperate as a traitor, esp. with an enemy occupying one's own country well i have two things to say: 1 - first you can find some of my works with truphti at http://www.the_text_between.blogspot.com 2 - second, Ana Buigues e-mailed me personally, saying that she was a trouble-maker. I think that you all listees should be aware of that. "le corbeau"... ----- End forwarded message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 16:02:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jon Thompson Subject: Re: Sun & Moon/Green Integer Availability?? In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040819142647.02c20eb0@mail.lig.bellsouth.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Hello everyone, >=20 > Anyone know what's going on with Sun&Moon and Green Integer? There are a > bunch of titles I'm trying to get for a local bookstore. Neither SPD nor > Consortium seem to have them. They say some have been canceled, out of > print, etc. >=20 > Anybody know what's going on? Is GI going to print versions of all the o= ld > S&M stuff? >=20 > I'm looking for >=20 > LAB's Polyverse > Schaeffer's Nova > Swenson's Noon > Hocquard's work generally > and others >=20 > Are any of these titles remaindered/squirreled away anywhere? >=20 > Thanks in advance. >=20 > Ken >=20 > http://desertcity.blogspot.com >=20 Sun & Moon is defunct, but I believe that Green Integer is still very viable. Have you tried simply ordering books directly off of Green Integers=B9s website? Best, -- =20 Jon Thompson, Editor Free Verse: A Journal of Contemporary Poetry & Poetics http://english.chass.ncsu.edu/freeverse/ Department of English North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-8105 Fax: 919.515.1836 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:57:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Working Hypothesis on the orgone Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Honestly- It was just a quirky idea that I had. I do not wish to be anything important, I was just, quite literrally, tossing it out there. I can explain how, at least in my mind, Reich's body armoring relates to what I percieve to be an understanding of chakras. Reich contended that neurosis was visibile in the body, and that the deeper the neurosis the more armoring occurred, starting from the pelvis & working its way up. The center of the biological body was for Reich the pelvis... I know this for a fact. His understanding of body armoring came before his discovery of the orgone, and after his theory of the orgasm. Furthermore, he contended that without overcoming a sexual stasis it was impossible to successfully end treatment. He actually wrote that in every single patient he had, without exception, there was a sexual stasis. He contented that nymphomania & impotency were both classified as a sexual stasis. He found that in extreme cases, patients were unable to express a diversity of emotions in the face (the last chakra, I think, & his final layer of body armoring). I guess this list is more judgemental & less interested in thinking then I imagined. Joseph Campbell? Give me a fucking break... The yoga aspect came more from personal experience & thousands of years of wisdom which I believe to be valid. The connections are mine. Interesting enough, I found that a proper class of yoga actually had the exact same effect upon me as repseridone (an anti-pyschotic). I feel healthy & enjoy taking yoga classes & am once again med free. If anyone was interested, my genitalia are fine & I have no intentions of losing them. I guess its best if we drop the subject & get back to the classic mine is bigger then yours type discussion. Have a good day. Ian VanHeusen _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:00:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Murat Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I should have read this email before my last post... I was considering the physical differences & the posturings of Eastern Monks & Western Monks. Eastern monks tend to appear healthy whereas Western Monks tend not to. I figured that both could sublimate their sexual desires, but I figured in the East it was more in harmony with the body. Thanks for the consideration. Ian VanHeusen >From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Working Hypothesis on the orgone >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 00:08:35 EDT > >The part I don't understand is this: > >If Reich "negates the possibilty of sublimation" and if "eastern practices >(with a focus on >yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical... sublimation," then how is >Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle of >chakras? > >The second point I am not clear about is the distinction between physical >and >intellectual sublimation. I would have thought sublimation implies the >conversion of the phsical into the spiritual/intellectual. > >Isn't Reich's box (or is body armoring something else?) a means against >suppression? Of what, the body? Could then Yoga be the reverse, a tool >against the >suppression of the spirit by the body? > >A little of dada is appropriate here: ideas are made in the mouth (or at >the >tip of e-mail exchanges). > >Ciao. > >Murat > > >In a message dated 08/1804 1:07:09 PM, ianvanh@HOTMAIL.COM writes: > > > > This hypothesis recently crystallized, so I figured I would toss it into > > the > > waters... here goes > > > > 1) Wilhem Reich developed his conceptualization of the orgasm by >negating > > the possibility of sublimation. His thesis was that concept of >sublimation > > (as presented in Western Christianity) was only another for of sexual > > repression. My major contention is that eastern practices (with a focus >on > > yoga) in fact present a clear form of physical, not intellectual, > > sublimation. Even breathing/ meditation practices (combined with the > > importance of posture) could be in the same realm of physical >sublimation. I > > recently read that yoga roughly translates as union, or a union with >life > > energy. My hypothesis being that yoga releases the same orgone energy as >an > > orgasm, unifying what Reich referred to as the pysche/ soma split, or a > > moment of harmony. For any more information on this last part, PLEASE >READ > > Wilhem Reich. I would argue that what I have defined as physical >sublimation > > does not destroy or eliminate the human biological drive. Instead, it >would > > release energy that would otherwise cause neurosis, in other words it >would > > eliminate the prescence of a sexual stasis (using the language of >Reich). > > > > 2) Reich's body armoring is in fact the exact same as the yoga principle >of > > chakras (I apologize if the spelling is incorrect). Furthermore, in both > > Reich's conceptualization of the human body & in all the spiritual > > derivatives of a basic yogi root, the body is centered on the pelvis >region > > (the lowest chakra). This region is often given the signifier of the 1 > > Thousand Petal lotus. For Reich is was more a matter of biological > > necessity, but two sources seem to come to the exact same conclusion. > > > > Please refute... > > _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:30:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Secular Jewish Culture/Radical Poetic Practice Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Secular Jewish Culture / Radical Poetic Practice" Tuesday, Sept. 21, 2004 -- 7pm Center for Jewish History 15 West 16th Street, Manhattan $10 admission Paul Auster Charles Bernstein (Chair) Kathryn Hellerstein Stephen Paul Miller Marjorie Perloff Jerome Rothenberg What are the innovations and inventions of American Jewish poets, over the past century? Can we say that there is distinctly Jewish component to radical modernist and contemporary poetry? What is the relation of Jewish modernist and contemporary poets to the historical avant-garde and to contemporary innovative poetry? How does Jewish cultural life and ethnic and religious forms and traditions manifest themselves in the forms, styles, and approaches to radical American poetry? What role does a distinctly secular approach to Jewishness by poets and other Jewish artists mean for "radical Jewish culture"? There will be several live two-way video feeds of the panel, including (tentatively) at Notre Dame, the University of Utah, and the University of Minnesota. * Please forward this announcement to lists and individuals who might be interested. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:06:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Minky Starshine Subject: Re: anyway C++ In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1/ anyway 2/ any who 3/ operations include 4/ search (find, count) stamen and pistol the sum difference of men no one can keep up 5/ sort (merge, partition, permutate, reverse, rotate, shuffle, sort) oh oh collapse inside your woman 6./ the wooden hair the wooden hair deletion/substitution (remove, replace, swap, unique) new york replaced the position subjected to mouthful of subject position a woman 7/ copy, 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Second Annual Spare Room Sound Poetry Festival (and CD release party) Saturday, August 28th 8:00 PM - midnight Performance Works Northwest 4625 SE 67th Ave. (at Foster Rd), Portland OR $6 suggested donation = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Dozens of performers from near and far: Chicago: Charles Bernstien; San Francisco: David Braden; Ron Heglin; Moscow, ID: Crag Hill; Seattle: Ezra Mark & Bryant Mason; Portland: Ashley Edwards & Zach Reno; David Abel; Kathleen Keogh; Bryan Eubanks & ensemble; ChuNiMu (the ensemble formerly known as JJMAD); Lisa Radon & Tim DuRoche; Michael Stirling; mARK oWEns plus: recordings from Italy a video opera by Bethany Wright & Seth Nehil special call-in guests and the CD release of the live Phoneticathon from last year's f! estival, courtesy of Sad Penguin Records (www.sadpenguin.com) Sponsored by the Spare Room reading series: www.flim.com/spareroom spareroom@flim.com = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = For the second consecutive year, the Spare Room reading series brings together widely dispersed practitioners of the literary-musical-theatrical art of sound poetry. Though less familiar to audiences in the United States, sound poetry has a long and distinguished history in Europe, where numerous international festivals, recordings, broadcasts, and publications have been devoted to its manifestations. Beginning nearly a century ago with the Russian and Italian Futurists, and the Dadaist! s in Switzerland and Germany, and taking retrospective roots in archaic and ritual utterances, sound poetry has been elaborated in countless directions by post-disciplinary artists on every continent. (The extensive collection of text documents and sound files at www.ubu.com is perhaps the most accessible and comprehensive resource for an overview of sound poetry, past and present.) = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = What is Sound Poetry? Well, to begin with, it is not new. And since it began it has not made sense. It takes language's constraints seriously. It is about sound, and I have nothing more to say about it. -- mARK oWEns The first phase, perhaps better-termed, the first area of sound poetry, is the vast, intractable area of archaic and primitive poetries, the many instances of chant st! ructures and incantation, of nonsense syllabic mouthings and deliberate lexical distortions still alive among North American, African, Asian and Oceanic peoples. We should also bear in mind the strong and persistent folkloric and ludic strata that manifests in the world's many language games, in the nonsense syllabary of nursery rhymes, mnemonic counting aids, whisper games and skipping chants, mouth music and folk-song refrain, which foregrounds as an important compositional element in work as chronologically separate as the Russian Futurist Kruchenykh's zaum poems (ca. 1910) and Bengt af Klintberg's use of cusha-calls and incantations (ca. 1965). -- Steve McCaffery, "Sound Poetry: A Survey" Leonardo da Vinci asked the poet to give him something he might see and touch and not just something he could hear. Sound poetry seems to me to be achieving this aim. PARTLY it is a recapturing of a more primitive form of language, before communication ! by expressive sounds became stereotyped into words, when the voice was richer in vibrations, more mightily physical. -- Bob Cobbing, "Some Statements on Sound Poetry" I, personally, would prefer the chaos and disorder which each of us would strive to master, in terms of his own ingenuousness, to the order imposed by the Word which everybody uses indiscriminately, always for the benefit of a capital, of a church, of a socialism, etc.... -- Henri Chopin, "Why I Am the Author of Sound Poetry . . ." (1967) The art is text-sound, as distinct from text-print and text-seen, which is to say that texts must be sounded and thus heard to be "read," in contrast to those that must be printed and thus be seen. The art is text-sound, rather than sound-text, to acknowledge the initial presence of a text, which is subject to aural enhancements more typical of music. To be precise, it is by non-melodic auditory structures that la! nguage or verbal sounds are poetically charged with meanings or resonances they would not otherwise have. The most appropriate generic term for the initial materials would be "vocables," which my dictionary defines as "a word regarded as a unit of sounds or letters rather than as a unit of meaning." -- Richard Kostelanetz, "Text Sound Art: A Survey" Best, Crag Hill http://scorecard.typepad.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 02:56:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: anyway C++ Comments: To: giovannifontana@arctos.it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nice minky hell's low everyone else ------------------------------------------------- for minky, giovanni & nick humid any way lies lips voided zedd- aphonia acalled font ana's aballawords humid any way dim hum in de outcrank for ward amimilie tisis schwit hers inatatters allatmattters amt 'n ta nuts in wha's'is name ya claimsjump marinated's liken aleph/ant & convention is as simple as ah um in us g thinka pith can't top this rect us broke us dumb --ked us like wholewheat mcrestin nay ayw lic monderess the goosedown yonder in the pisspour sereted secretion secreted la balance the last place the balast was blasted a kiindo wid jismos en syrup papyrus arustin wid windx a bolowin any ole way ablowin any ole naought fountain spritzin milky face as seamen in the chilly clarelous spongekind as in wonder any ways always aways as patrick sais way back in then where dead things lie awake all nite awheelin at the broken keys atumblin in the safety plackadillio a drunken bear adrinkin beer all night a fratale tol' by idyuts no monks a sick or health y why ya askisthis kiss so damn short er long er pendin on the taste of subtle songs for instance a bird humming in 1890 - a concrete bird anyway dalachinsky nyc 8/20/04 a.m. try and make howl gig amram tribute/ ole anel midnite at c-note aug 21 9 pm e 10th & ave c try and make my gig at housing works 126 crosby st aug 27 7 pm w/lukas ligeti ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:18:12 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: FW: Go Fuck Yourself at Lester's Flogspot MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There he goes again. Like that's going to charm an audience, right. Wooden-headed freak. -----Original Message----- From: Lester Oracle [mailto:lester@proximate.org] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:17 AM To: patrick@proximate.org Subject: Go Fuck Yourself at Lester's Flogspot Go Fuck Yourself at Lester's Flogspot http://lesters.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 04:19:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: time of the california seahare MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed time of the california seahare http://www.asondheim.org/cseahare.mov (greatly compressed) i tried with the outdoors sound of the world i battered the sound and mavericked it the california seahare Aplysia californica was silent it cannot hear the sound of the camera peering from above and slightly to one side this is the song of the california seahare oh silent and moving slowly and grazing on Ulva and graving on everything and moving slowly with the beauty of the matrix and twenty megabytes tonight is full of sadness the california sea hare has several thousand neurons never dreaming i will live their life i will be without memory and without clarity so many millions of years as if it were this very moment almost a mourning water weeping air _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 01:45:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: West End Reading Series: 2005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The West End Reading Series in Ithaca, New York is currently booking = poets for 2005. Please back channel for further information. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 06:30:44 -0400 Reply-To: richard.j.newman@verizon.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Richard Jeffrey Newman Subject: FW: A Special Call for Submissions Comments: To: richard.newman2@verizon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit _____ From: The Pedestal Magazine [mailto:thepedestalmagazine@listwriter.com] Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:42 PM To: Richard Newman Subject: A Special Call for Submissions Dear Readers: The American presidential election is coming up in November, and (at the risk of sounding Ameri-centric) this is, clearly, an important time for both the United States and the world at large. In early October, The Pedestal Magazine will release a special "political issue." We will be accepting works of poetry, fiction, and non-fiction, as well as art. All work should somehow address current political concerns, however popular or obscure, general or specific, they may be. We are open to all views and positions; i.e., liberal and conservative, Democrat and Republican, etc. There are no length restrictions. We are open to extended/complex works or brief statements, pieces that take on specific themes or are more generally philosophic in nature. We also welcome submissions (actually, we strongly request them) from people in countries other than the United States. If you would like to send us an accompanying photograph of yourself, please include one as an attachment in .jpg format. We will not be offering payment to contributors; however, we will aggressively market the issue, as well as partner with various organizations in an attempt to reach and impact people around the world. Send all work to pedmagazine@carolina.rr.com. If you are submitting artwork, please send all images as attachments in .jpg format. In the subject line of the email, type: Submission/Political Issue. Please DO NOT use the submission form provided on The Pedestal Magazine website to submit work for this special issue. Please feel free to forward this email to contacts or friends and to post it on relevant forums or message boards. The deadline for submissions is September 21. Please feel free to email us at pedmagazine@carolina.rr.com, if you have any additional questions. It is our intention to use as many pieces as possible, although we cannot guarantee that we will publish everything we receive. We look forward to including a wide variety of writings in this special release and wish you much inspiration during this time of excitement and difficulty. All my best, John Amen The Pedestal Magazine www.thepedestalmagazine.com pedmagazine@carolina.rr.com To tell a friend about this message, please click here. This message was originally sent to richard.newman2@verizon.net. 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Elle a detruit ma jeunesse. Elle a tue mon beau-pere, qui etait un facho. Elle me l'a avoue deux fois, a six mois d'intervalle, alors qu'elle etait completement bourree. son nom est dominique duneau. elle habite 83 rue theophile lamy, 18000 bourges. l'homme qu'elle a tue s'appelait patrice germe. j'ai pris mes medocs, bobig. xanax et zeroxat. aujourd'hui je suis archive dans la base de donnees de Rhizome.org. j'ai un beau costume, un beret, un bon salaire. je suis un vrai pouet. La france, c'est comme la gauche. ca n'existe pas. (¸.•'´(¸.•'´ `'•.¸)`' •.¸) ¸.•´ ( `•.¸ `•.¸ ) ¸.•)´ (.•´ `*. *. shooting yourself in the balls is not the way to have a happy life http://dolmensniper.motime.com/ ----- End forwarded message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:07:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Craig Allen Conrad Subject: NEW POETRY INTERREVIEW, #2: Shirley Shirley by Alica Askenase MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NEW POETRY INTERREVIEW, #2: Shirley Shirley by Alica Askenase=A0 "she had to drop her bomb on the wrong nation under God" --Alicia Askenase, Shirley Shirley NEW POETRY INTERREVIEW is an occasional PhillySound webzine which=20 reviews new books of poetry by interviewing the poet about the book. issue #2 with Alicia Askenase on her new book SHIRLEY SHIRLEY questions/review by CAConrad poet's biographical information and contact information: Alicia Askenase was born in Waterbury, Connecticut (formerly Mattatuck,=20 aka Holyland, USA). She has lived in Puerto Rico and Spain, and for the=20 last 20 years in the Philadelphia suburb of Moorestown, NJ. She is the=20 author of the chapbooks The Luxury of Pathos (Texture Press) and most=20 recently, Shirley Shirley (Sona Books). Her poetry has appeared in such=20 journals as The World, Kiosk, Feminine Studies, Rooms, Chain, 5_Trope=20 and sonaweb, as well as the anthologies 25 Women's Perspectives and=20 100 Days. Her work will also be published in the forthcoming PhillySound=20 anthology. She was a founding co-editor of the literary journal 6ix, and=20 literary programs director at the Walt Whitman Art Center for many=20 years.=20 For copies of her new book, contact her directly at AskeAlicia@AOL.com for the interview/reivew, please go to: http://phillysound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:39:24 -0400 Reply-To: nudel-soho@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harry Nudel Subject: summer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ENCRYPTION if this were the world. tuli you'd be the rebbe & i'd be the student you'd be the 'artiste' & i'd be the 'a peddlar' you'll eat honey i'll eat locusts you'd talk of paradise or the commune i'd talk of the wall or the price of herring schlml schmzl if this were the world, the word would be good & the world wouldn't exist noon nite more...mermaid ave..coney isle....pub lib....drn. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:52:40 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata@KUNST.NO Subject: hekla Comments: To: WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" -any known word was used for the first time at some point (what a sentence..) -that use is not different from my use now. -in itself, the wigwams are the same in a cartoon -but like thrown up -sleeping horses -talking penguins -gray mountains, what did you expect -a tv made of ice "A kenning is commonly a simple stock compound such as "whale-path" or "swan road" for "sea"; "God's beacon" for "sun"; or "ring-giver" for "king." Many kennings are allusions that become unintelligible to later generations. A non-Germanic analogue is the Homeric epithet, e.g., "rosy-fingered dawn." See also skaldic poetry." catena havea headache ugh (ÂÀ, uÀ, u, Â; spelling pron. ug), interj. 1. (used as an exclamation expressing disgust, aversion, horror, or the like). ?n. 2. the sound of a cough, grunt, or the like. i always thought it meant yes/affirmative/OK.. but then, "it's OK" seems to mean no/negative also.. so,dedh,ano, hhyes, i msean,s cshop her head ishgsmean, let god save her ache..) goo ?? jaws> a > / \ > b c > / \ > d e > >[a, [b, [d], [e]], [c]] > >. >. >. >non- linear data structures are represented as (linear) strings http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Lisp_programming_language#Pairs_and_lists http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Scheme_programming_language *** Subject: hekla the jour ney pauses streams sdrimm hrimmer the inured ney palms vacant target animals venison tangle should keep to heself don't brother senna to box mr. hello plays golf, pays gaff mr. handsets plagiarised grinned, permuting galleass "what's the use of nature? i mean nature as nature, there's no place to the use of nodical? i marginating monticule as morphosis, no photoelectrically to go way" go complexity of trash, jallways complexity of training, jallways colonizers of torrid, converted of titanite, like like likuta lineup in rail, terse, suddenly , thimblerigger in reemphasisers, tarantism, sulfhydryl telemeter meaning, outside, lost medicos, outside, micropylar, panhellenic, liners malaya, pacifistically, stacked, like crosses, the starets, cul-de-sac, the student, lognormal corrade, the stalling, cymene, the difference gnaw different gnaw demographic gazankulu disenfranchises greenwood try fix symbolic, kind a try try fix substratum, lawfulness a try gesture, to the mosquito on gibbering granuloma, to the moorish on goldbeater the heap of earth beside the the hayfork of earth the harbinger of drunkenly blazoning the the hobbies of ecumenists stone with two names, it's a stirs with two naze, it's a straightbred wander two negater, a splendorous workpiece two mutationally, a mosquito, thatall, in vain mosquito mutationally, in unromantically mozzarella looking for blood, 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========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:23:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Initial Call for Work: Sound Vision/Vision Sound III Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Initial Call for Work: Sound Vision/Vision Sound III It has been 10 years and almost 8 years since the first two Sound=20 Vision/Vision Sound shows at Plan 9 in Buffalo, NY. What has been=20 happening since then, and moreover =88 what seems important now in=20 Verbo-Visiual work? Have technologies changed enough to allow for new=20 modes? Does rubber stamp wor! k and mail art forms continue to=20 fascinate us (I still to this day am amazed at Ged Mosley=82s mummified=20= gecko that she mailed to me in the 80=82s with a postcard stamp and an=20= address written in white-out)? After Bob Cobbing=82s death are=20 xeroxographic manipulations going anywhere? Does the reduced=20 form/streamlined quality of the work of the Niogandres group and the=20 concrete poets of Europe of the 60=82s still have power, or have we = built=20 on their simple forms to produce a more complex synthetic? What has=20 happened to monumental Verbo-Visiual l work or Verbo-Visiual=20 installations? Are there possibilities for video/performative=20 Verbo-Visiual work? These are the central issues that this show seeks=20 to explore. Works can be of any media provided that they all address Verbo-Visiual=20= issues. Initial submission of slides (representative of work or of=20 actual work) or small works only. Final work needs to be ready to hang.=20= Juring date for the show will be announced once a firm date for the=20 show has been established (still in negotiations). For video,=20 performance, or installation work, send proposal. Submit CV and brief=20 artistic/poetic statement along with 1-5 pieces of work/slides and=20 Return Postage/Postal Coupons if you want work returned. Slides should=20= have title of work and top of slide indicated. Initial Proposal and=20 Submission Deadline: October 1, 2004. Contact William R. Howe at the=20 address below, howe@door.net, or =A0US (617) 625-9940. Submit to: William R. Howe, Curator Sound Vision/Vision Sound III 50 Garrison Avenue Somerville, MA 02144 USA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:00:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rusty Morrison Subject: Pre-Publication discount on Omnidawn's 2004 Books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed In October 2004, Omnidawn Publishing will release Devin Johnston's AVERSIONS & Martha Ronk's IN A LANDSCAPE OF HAVING TO REPEAT & Keith Waldrop's THE REAL SUBJECT, QUERIES AND CONJECTURES OF JACOB DELAFON, WITH SAMPLE POEMS. We would like to offer the opportunity of ordering now and purchasing these at a pre-publication discount. Normally $14.95 each, they are available now for $11.95 each (a savings of $3.00). Or you can order all three for $29.95 (a total savings of $14.90). These prices INCLUDE shipping, handling, and sales tax, if applicable, for an even larger savings. Please send a check to us now, and we will mail the books as soon as they arrive. This offer will be available through September 30, 2004. Please make checks payable to Omnidawn, and specify your order, and where to send the books. Our address: Omnidawn, 1632 Elm Ave., Richmond, CA 94805-1614 Here is some information about each book: About Devin Johnston's AVERSIONS, Susan Howe comments that these poems are "uncannily precise responses of an exacting lyric consciousness to the quotidian facts of experience. Accurate, supernatural, unexpected turns connect without connectives, as if by telepathic electricity." Michael OBrien writes that these poems "devote themselves to making distinctions. They take great care with cadence and music, but their art is, by conviction, unobtrusive.... convincing, full of regard for the world." **** About Martha Ronk's IN A LANDSCAPE OF HAVING TO REPEAT, Ann Lauterbach comments that this poet "writes across, and through, the invisible boundaries that condition our lives: past and present, dream and waking, intimacy and estrangement." Bin Ramke writes that "[i]t is not so much Martha Ronk's voice as her vision which has become so necessary insistent, persistent, passionate, engaging simultaneously the familiar and the new." *** About Keith Waldrop's THE REAL SUBJECT, QUERIES AND CONJECTURES OF JACOB DELAFON, WITH SAMPLE POEMS, Robet Kelly writes "Waldrop's character, though named for a famous French supplier of sanitary fixtures, seems tenderly American, readily taken aback by ideas, a pilgrim of the literal." Ben Marcus comments "a brilliantly sidewinding embrace of uncertainty, a pulpit for arcane knowledge, and a cleverly constructed language filter that keeps out everything but beauty and strangeness." Marjorie Welish writes "Waldrop's poetic ear is as perfect as can be, his rhetoric as thoughtful as possible, romantic ironies evanesce." For more information, please see www.omnidawn.com. ****************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:49:33 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Causal Talk by donato mancini Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press Causal Talk, four interviews by donato mancini with rob mclennan, George Bowering, Dorothy Trujillo Lusk & David W. McFadden $5 ===== Donato Mancini's other chapbooks (past and forthcoming) include: This for That; Tribute to a Remarkable Cat; Surveillance Sketch; @phabet (also published by above/ground press); Floating World; 9-11/7-Eleven; and Candles in the Wind. He also has work forthcoming in Broken Pencil, Nerve Lantern, and Matrix. His first full-length book of poetry is due from New Star Books in Spring 2005. contact: donatomancini@fivethreesix.com ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' complimentary copies. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Artie Gold, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, kath macLean, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by Rachel Zolf, J.L. Jacobs & Michael Holmes. bibliography on-line. ======= -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:22:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In case you have not picked up the most recent Sports Illustrated: Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two from Sports Illustrated Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM Unwilling participants Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday. Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign advertisements. In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes." "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself." Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told me. "He has committed so many crimes." "The ad simply talks about President Bush's optimism and how democracy has triumphed over terror," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesperson for Bush's campaign. "Twenty-five million people in Iraq are free as a result of the actions of the coalition." To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer in power. But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings on the road?" At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted." Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two weeks. Najaf lies in ruins. "I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We want them to go away." Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the resistance. "I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq." Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament. When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is happening in America also." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stephen: Sports Illustrated is one of the few publications that Bush reads besides the Book of Revelations. Interesting, too, that South- and North Korea are at the Olympics as a unified team. This is heartening. What is disheartening, however, is the continuous display of jingoism by Americans in Athens, even though they've been told to tone it down. I'd like to have pride in my country. I'd like to see it win a gold medal in human rights. Then I, too, will wave the flag. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Vincent" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > In case you have not picked up the most recent Sports Illustrated: > > Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > > from Sports Illustrated > Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM > > Unwilling participants > Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads > > PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on > Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 > Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- > the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it > hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now > face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday. > > Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who > is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign > advertisements. > > In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator > says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two > fewer terrorist regimes." > "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential > campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and > directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself." > > Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even > stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will > he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told > me. "He has committed so many crimes." > > "The ad simply talks about President Bush's optimism and how democracy > has triumphed over terror," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesperson for > Bush's campaign. "Twenty-five million people in Iraq are free as a > result of the actions of the coalition." > > To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad > that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible > for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months > after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer > in power. > > But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own > gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My > problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach > Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy > everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What > is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings > on the road?" > > At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to > the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The > image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's > fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the > United States had not acted." > > Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the > professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans > used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces > have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two > weeks. Najaf lies in ruins. > > "I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, > 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We > want them to go away." > > Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on > Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces > killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an > insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he > were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the > resistance. > > "I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people > resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone > [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. > Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq." > > Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most > remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which > is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would > reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, > a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament. > > When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to > return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is > not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The > Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is > happening in America also." > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:51:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 I wonder what kind of events would take place during the olympic test to win the gold medal in human rights. any ideas? chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Weishaus Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:07 -0700 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two Re: Stephen: Re: Re: Sports Illustrated is one of the few publications that Bush reads besides Re: the Book of Revelations. Re: Interesting, too, that South- and North Korea are at the Olympics as a Re: unified team. This is heartening. Re: What is disheartening, however, is the continuous display of jingoism by Re: Americans in Athens, even though they've been told to tone it down. I'd like Re: to have pride in my country. I'd like to see it win a gold medal in human Re: rights. Then I, too, will wave the flag. Re: Re: -Joel Re: Re: ----- Original Message ----- Re: From: "Stephen Vincent" Re: To: Re: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:22 PM Re: Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two Re: Re: Re: > In case you have not picked up the most recent Sports Illustrated: Re: > Re: > Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two Re: > Re: > from Sports Illustrated Re: > Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM Re: > Re: > Unwilling participants Re: > Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads Re: > Re: > PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on Re: > Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 Re: > Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- Re: > the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it Re: > hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now Re: > face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday. Re: > Re: > Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who Re: > is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign Re: > advertisements. Re: > Re: > In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator Re: > says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two Re: > fewer terrorist regimes." Re: > "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential Re: > campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and Re: > directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself." Re: > Re: > Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even Re: > stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will Re: > he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told Re: > me. "He has committed so many crimes." Re: > Re: > "The ad simply talks about President Bush's optimism and how democracy Re: > has triumphed over terror," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesperson for Re: > Bush's campaign. "Twenty-five million people in Iraq are free as a Re: > result of the actions of the coalition." Re: > Re: > To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad Re: > that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible Re: > for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months Re: > after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer Re: > in power. Re: > Re: > But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own Re: > gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My Re: > problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach Re: > Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy Re: > everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What Re: > is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings Re: > on the road?" Re: > Re: > At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to Re: > the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The Re: > image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's Re: > fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the Re: > United States had not acted." Re: > Re: > Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the Re: > professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans Re: > used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces Re: > have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two Re: > weeks. Najaf lies in ruins. Re: > Re: > "I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, Re: > 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We Re: > want them to go away." Re: > Re: > Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on Re: > Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces Re: > killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an Re: > insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he Re: > were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the Re: > resistance. Re: > Re: > "I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people Re: > resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone Re: > [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. Re: > Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq." Re: > Re: > Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most Re: > remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which Re: > is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would Re: > reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, Re: > a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament. Re: > Re: > When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to Re: > return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is Re: > not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The Re: > Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is Re: > happening in America also." Re: > -- _______________________________________________ Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! 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Oh Oh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed coughing wings helmet of grasses picture poor glory here dark with four verses rise hot the red streets he dark, and great to wings drowse, salty of limbs, swimmer in little darkness kettles, sink through crimes beat on the disturbed earth coal lilies, black horses gleam, home bells halo consoling radiance resounding with thrones, hooves around satin puddles foam creek kings him tall watching dusts on and on dizzy beneath the steps of noon 1000 nights will roof his face _________________________________________________________________ Check out Election 2004 for up-to-date election news, plus voter tools and more! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:16:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: St. John Chapter Eight, Verse Six & Eight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed ST. JOHN CHAPTER EIGHT, VERSE SIX threaten scents + hunt him pun wily fall. hid. unedited struggle mesas of caveat Hear The Look and deny much broomstick tho sharp, him half understands herself Oh you, so his speaks weeps between hers ST. JOHN CHAPTER EIGHT, VERSE EIGHT once more the bitterest foe a caged lion for the sake of the old loaded suspicions -- afterwards, an interlude: sisters | little mother | the letter | the ice of old loaded suspicions has swans in the back of its face _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? 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Confirmation of Jameson's thesis about language poetry? A deeper plot to subvert authority, and not just not give a sucker a break (the american way for some). Robert -- Robert Corbett, Ph.C. "Given the distance of communication, Coordinator of New Programs I hope the words aren't idling on the B40D Gerberding map of my fingertips, but igniting the Phone: (206) 616-0657 wild acres within the probabilities of Fax: (206) 685-3218 spelling" - Rosmarie Waldrop UW Box: 351237 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 06:22:18 -0600 From: Rick Pace To: rcorbett@u.washington.edu Subject: re[7]: [IMAGE] MIRC Golf World War II DVD Brittany Murphy: Gladiator ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 14:44:02 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Herron Subject: Front page story! 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This list is one of the best I've seen. http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/88/home.html -Joel __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Visiting Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon = =20 Home: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 Digital Archive: www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:03:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: SWIM WITH THE DOLPHIN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed SWIM WITH THE DOLPHIN File changes saved. fins.mov * Send this page to somebody * Print this page * Add to Favorites greetngs from huntington beach oil supply incorporated \n these are not your average surfers but the best in the world \n i was there i know \n my surfer days \n oh my surfer days \n http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/fins.mov Click here to get the file Size 9.8 MB - File type video/quicktime Created by sondheim Last modified 2004-08-21 08:01 PM by 'Surfer Dude' _ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:07:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: 1,000 to infinity & beyond Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am cutting & pasting... hope I have not sent this before... here is a good prayer from my current church... Let all nations listen for the prophets yet speaking, that people should rejoice in what they ought to be seeking... Junky corporated to the consumer suit, a deck of cards signifying nothing but a future without its own ability the masochistic urge to procreate a power that breeds institutions cold monasteries of a knowledge cursed for a lack of love in the truest sense & intoxicated by the mantra of its name. & the arts decorate the avenue quaint as to ignore culture the result of a society seeking itself in distraction anything or everything to exclude the bombshell of the truth just beyond the grasp of reason adorned with comfort. Meanwhile the revolution watches the scenario confused at the impossibility of the sincere joy of correction entrenched in subculture seeing a life unusual as the only practical outcome of the gift civilization finally stagnating unhinging to the possibility of a good generation to sooth the problem sometimes it seems more appropriate to raise warriors in our children as if to study the future shows how the horizon is most likely littered with a multitude of the dead & beyond the war’s conclusion? 1,000 midnights of a nuclear holocaust imminent in position or the rebirth of Mother Earth the feminine energy to revitalize to life to live to grow to plant to sow to seed to hold all the faculties of the human as secondary to the body. _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? 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If so, please backchannel: jshiroma@durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:39:04 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: Michael Bogue Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check out the works of our latest feature at SpiralBridge.org Michael Bogue by clicking http://www.spiralbridge.org/home.asp You have 35 days until the next season of The Naked Readings begins… We want you to be part of it all, write, compose, send your poetry to submissions@SpiralBridge.org to view the guidelines visit http://www.spiralbridge.org/projects.asp Have a good one "What we need is more people who specialize in the impossible." -Theodore Roethke ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.SpiralBridge.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 05:40:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Taylor Subject: ABC Poem Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ABC Poem ADVERTISEMENT anti-nuclear Buddha cannot disturb epic freehand gesturing history is jargon knited lessons morality never-the-less oscillates period question revenge syllogistic tabloids unilateral voodoo weaving xenophobia yeilds zero -Jesse Taylor ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:09:22 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. 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Thats all youll find here secretary dropped check lives * Send this page to somebody Pretty soon, you won’t give a shit. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:13:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: a history of slaves & masters Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed quick note: I apologize is if the history is a little off... allow for distortions that are like contortions of one person's thought The story is always personal pay close to the wheel understand that the deal is cemented with faith the journey precedented started to southern crosses signed with three K’s in the sickest attempt at purity in a nation, under-handing symbols & plain signs on ignorance but behind every redneck there is a scholar waiting to make the killing look it up, they register their names in pride not trying to hide how they heard Hitler’s call of an Aryan Nation sparked in India as the Dravidians cried under foot & the name of Krishna was turned to soot his skin was always brown but his position changed a Brahman, she explained it to the masses as if in her words no one but me, a friend, recognized the accent & in her the true disaster of Blanchot in her thinking how her ego was sinking falling away for her blessings her dressings were proper & her dance taught each step how the indigenous flowed with the gestures, her tradition tight & restricted but she moved to New York heart devastated by a cruelly beautiful husband who fled to Ohio, leaving her to ponder silence in the cold cement of the University but she often shined in her diversity & I would sit at her feet & listen to the melody of her sitar drunk from the gift of her knowledge for a goddess as she this simple poem as if a woman blessed is the important thing to notice like a rumor of a lady pollinated by the wind of god whose son’s name is often used in jest but sacred none the less, now South America where blood mingled despite the holocaust & their religion saved the entire thing for history to repent in remembrance, but the genocide continues in the Mayan jungle as the land is raped to bear taxes to the Gringo altar while some claim atheism in their heart & stand back not remembering how the music of dark drum skins stirred the knowledge in the Buddha’s meditation from his palace reminding him that despite privilege, we all suffer in a unique way with a greater longing, & patience giving to peace one soul whose thinking I can only begin to wait to hear to see through the eyes of faith instead of destruction, as if without our souls we are truly just war machines to eat & shit our time away & yes John Afrika we are all descendants of that original continent born from the Rift valley & shades of the same rainbow in the winter cold, some were forced to hide from the sun some walked farther than imagination could ever tell created wells of knowledge along the way each beautiful each equal before the same sky yet our home is wracked by disease & warfare here as it is there, if even the scares are disguised behind angry stares & who is beware, but the seed in my soul to plant wisdom mother earth hold my hand father sky shower me with rhythm. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 10:31:03 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Check out The Assassinated Press Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Turns Out Its The 'Swift Boats Vets Who Can't Face the Truth:' In A War Defined By Civilian Casualties Inflicted By U.S. Forces Veterans Looking For A Leader Who Will Lie For Them: Some Veterans Still Bitter About Being Outed On Crimes By G. GOSH WHITEY AND BORUS FLAILURE Assassinated Press Staff Writers Saturday, August 21, 2004 They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 12:14:31 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Re: looking for a Coach House Books publication... Comments: To: "Jerrold Shiroma [ duration press ]" In-Reply-To: <001901c48843$44f12fe0$0a02a8c0@duration> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII have you contactd the Coach House? They're very nice. -- --------------------------- Newfoundland Tories put culture in a COMA http://www.donotpadlocktherooms.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:13:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Bush heckler loses job Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Question Bush's murderous, hypocritical policies and you are arrested or at the very least you lose your job. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/08/21/heckler.fired.ap/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:18:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Michael Lally book be good! Comments: cc: Kit Robinson , linda norton , Hilton Obenzinger Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MARCH 18, 2003 by Michael Lally Is from Libellum, publishers 211 West 19th Street, 5th Floor 10011 (36 pages, cover by Alex Katz, no price or distributor mentioned, but you can probably 'Amazon-it.' ) In keeping with the times, someone brought this small, beautifully designed and produced book, instead of pro forma wine, to dinner last night. And what a timely gift! Lally read this at anti-war poetry reading of the title date at the Paula Cooper Gallery. Indeed I think it's the best contemporary political poem I have read. (I recently read Zukofsky's A-10 - written in 1941 - which is also right on the pulse, as well). Lally - who picks up Frank O'Hara's open voice, questioning 'personism' persona - takes that mode a full step further - and essentially both the country and the globe into a dartboard of targeted questions aimed at multiple political hotspots in which each line of fire keeps splitting the rhetorical board into pieces (Iraq, Palestine-Israel, Voting Machines, Torture, etc). Instead of "personism", one might call the mode "a-personism" - where the person's voice becomes an Everyman who is the antithesis of most everything you find of FOX TV. (Lally taking the pants off O'Reilly and his 'factors.') I can only exemplify, from near the start: ... If some white folks build a housing complex on an Indian reservation with money from white supremacists and they use the few resources the reservation has to make their housing project bigger and better than the Native American houses and some of the Native Americans demonstrate against this, and the response of our government is to build a barbed wire fence around the white enclave and send soldiers to man watchtowers and protect the whites and this pisses the Native Americans off and their demonstrations get rowdy and some Indian kids throw rocks at the soldiers and the soldiers shoot and kill some of these kids and the Indians get even more upset and vow to stop the settlements and get the whites off their land... The 34 pages mount into a literal 'tour-de-force' - harsh & cleansing, and a genuine public poem, where such is so rare. It's such a difficult thing to do. (One thinks - through out the sixties and seventies - where most public efforts at the form became either a parody of Howl or somehow could never break away from the umbrella of that work. Z's "A-10" is a refreshing forbear of Howl - tho more mediated in its anger and rebuke). Lally's poem strikes me as a genuine break through - partly because its so both deeply informed and felt, but the more so because it radiates the vulnerability that I think many of us experience now in relationship to what appear as overwhelming Corporate, etc. odds. While, at the same time, the work is definitely an unshakable call for "the rocks" in whatever form one can shape those in language, or whatever counter-offensive medium - say 'voting' - one can still count as one's own. I say get it and spread it around. Stephen Vincent Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 17:54:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: Portrait Of Queen Nab With A Broken Neck Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed eyes, closer play the better part face, there nature - or - they, the faces, wore little else in the spot above the neck where the undivided appears and she arose on - or - like the wave that changed the young to scaffold occupants, it wasn't too long ago they were reaching for clothes while spitting their teeth out, that time, they claim, seems extraordinary in dusk, while in daytime seems but familiar as rodents the first victim of their plague was discovered vomiting three dresses - red, white, & black - these are the clothes they tried to nab on the way to the scaffold, it was an honor, she said, to be the first one prognosticating cold but gloire passes, passes past even the wildest ever who occupied the scaffold, the common held their own, even when her breath dropped beneath them _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:20:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: {{ sea and others MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed {{ sea and others http://www.asondheim.org/cseahare.mpg - replaces sea.mov or some such for unconquering - "wonderful!" http://www.asondheim.org/natural.mp3 - new worlds for unconquering __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:22:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: these people rule our world MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed these people rule our world http://www.asondheim.org/aftershock.mov they let us know who they are we are thankful _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 22:36:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lisa jarnot Subject: 1000 t-shirt project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Poetics List Folks, I have a new project (of the arts & crafts variety). I'm making 1000 political t-shirts and dedicating each one to a fallen soldier in Iraq. there's a website with info at www.angelfire.com/poetry/lisajarnot/iraqhat.html . (this is a sequel to my ongoing 100 hats project.) all best, Lisa Jarnot ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:13:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City's Pre-RNC Party: Born in the U.S.A. live and Tripwire Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please Forward: ---------------- Boog City presents a Pre-RNC Party *********************************** Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. live at d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america This month's bonus featured press: Tripwire (San Francisco) Sat. August 28, 7:00 p.m., $5 The C-Note 157 Avenue C. (& 10th St.) Featuring readings from Tripwire contributors: Taylor Brady * Alan Gilbert * Rodrigo Toscano * and more and a staged version of "=A1Guantanamo!" & Born in the U.S.A. performed live by: Aaron Seven * Bolo * Cars For Love * Loggia * the Organ Grinders * Nathan Salsburg * Bethany Spiers * Avery Wright Also, Tripwire 6 1/2 "RNC," a zine-issue of the magazine, will be available= , featuring work from Jules Boykoff, Rodrigo Toscano, and Yedda Morrison Hosted and curated by Tripwire editor David Buuck, Aaron Kiely, and Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum Directions: L to First Avenue, F to Second Avenue, 6 to Astor Place Call 212-842-BOOG(2664) or email editor@boogcity.com for further info -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 07:50:08 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog: he's ba-ack . . . Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: Vacation reading list(s) Two notes on Rem Koolhaas, Frank Gehry & post-avant architecture in Seattle After The Alphabet Two new important poetry sites: Mini-mag's PhillySound feature & audios from the Carrboro (NC) Poetry Festival 3 notes on the work of Tenney Nathanson http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:26:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: POV: proxy soldiers in bush's war MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit POV: proxy soldiers in bush's war ============================= http://www.counterpunch.org/ Proxy Soldiers in Bush's War Mexico Fiercely Opposes the Iraq War, But Mexicans Are Dying There Every Week By JOHN ROSS "She died on Friday thinking about coming home to eat beans and carnitas." Father of Sgt. Isela Rubacalva MEXICO CITY. When Lance Corporal Juan Lopez Rangel was killed in a firefight near the rebel city of Fallujah in Al Anbar province just west of Baghdad on June 21st, his grieving parents, who now live in a small Georgia town, were determined to bury the proud marine in his hometown of San Luis de la Paz, Guanajuato Mexico, a dusty crossroads in the shadow of the desolate Sierra Gorda where the only action after dark are the all-night funeral parlors and from which Juan Lopez and his family escaped when he was 15 for a new life on the Other Side. Juan's funeral set for Mexico over the July 4th weekend--U.S. Independence Day--would include plenty of patriotic fanfare--U.S. patriotic fanfare. After negotiations with Mexican authorities over protocols, it was agreed that a four member U.S. Marine Corps Honor Guard carrying ceremonial weapons could accompany the interment--a 21 gun salute with M-16s was nixed by the Mexican military. The U.S. marines paraded solemnly through the empty streets of San Luis de la Paz, stopping in front of the old house on Zaragoza Street where Juan had been born and where now he was being mourned. "Your son was a hero in our country" the marine spokesman told Juan's parents, presenting Francisco Lopez and Delfina Rangel with a neatly folded U.S. flag. Then with the pallbearers in place and the U.S. Marine Corps leading the way, the final procession set out for the town cemetery. But a few blocks short of its destination, the passage of the cortege was blocked by a dozen armed Mexican soldiers who demanded that the marines surrender their "ceremonial" arms or be held in violation of Mexico's tough firearms laws. When the honor guard refused, the marines were escorted back to the vehicles that had brought them to San Luis and surrounded by the Mexican troops until Taps had sounded at graveside. The message of this poignant tableau was clear: the Mexican army would not tolerate armed foreign troops on Mexican soil, particularly those of a nation that has repeatedly invaded Mexico. The standoff at Juan Lopez Rangel's funeral outraged U.S. ambassador Tony Garza, a Bush crony who seems to have spent his entire career here defending one U.S. aggression after another. "Jose Lopez (sic) was a hero and a native son of Mexico who Mexicans should honor," the offended Garza complained. The ambassador's sentiment was echoed by Dr. Jorge Santibanez, director of the prestigious College of the Northern Border and an expert on Mexican out-migration, who wrote of duel allegiances and pressures upon immigrant youth to sign up for the U.S. military. After Santibanez's remarks were published in the national daily La Jornada, the border think tank's e-mail began to ring off the hook with angry messages. "This boy was not a hero but a victim of the bad policies of Bush," read one from a group of self-described patriotic railroad workers, "our heroes are not the traitors who join the American army but those Mexicans who fought the Americanos when they invaded our country in 1846." Even as Taps was being sounded over Juan Lopez's bier up in Guanajuato this past July 4th weekend, several thousand anti-war protestors were taking advantage of the U.S. holiday to build a mock-up of Abu Ghraib prison in front of Garza's embassy on Mexico City's Reforma boulevard. The demonstrators laid out 12,000 white paper crosses on the sidewalk to honor the Iraqis killed since the American invasion began 16 months ago. A hooded student perched precariously on a cardboard box, electric cables attached to his genitals, a dark icon of the Yanqui "liberation" of Iraq for which Juan Lopez had just given up his life. >From top to bottom, Mexico has rejected Bush's war since its inception. President Vicente Fox refused to support White House plans to bomb Iraq, earning Bush's eternal enmity, and the chill has frozen bi-lateral relations between these two distant neighbor nations ever since. The U.S. threatened and spied upon the Mexican delegation at the United Nations Security Council and when Ambassador Adolfo Aguilar would not bend, Bush unilaterally declared war and stepped up recruitment of Mexican and Mexican American youth to illegally invade Iraq. Juan Lopez Rangel was the 36th and most recent U.S. soldier of Mexican descent to die in Iraq (since this was written two more G.I.s of Mexican descent have appeared in the New York Times daily list of the dead.) By this reporter's count, 20 of the dead soldiers were born in Mexico and 16 were the children of migrants who had gone over to the other side to find their fortune in El Norte. The number of Mexican deaths in Iraq equals the number of Mexicans awaiting execution on Texas death row. Among the Mexican dead are at least three women, including one of Jessica Lynch's tank mates. After Sergeant Isela Rubacalva, 25, a native of Ciudad Juarez, was killed near Mosul in May, her father Ramon mourned "she died on Friday thinking about coming home to eat carnitas and beans, drink a beer and go to a dance. This war is useless, as useless as Vietnam." Although it is not a member of Bush's crumbling "coalition of the willing", Mexico has taken more casualties than any other nation in this cruel conflict outside of Iraq, the U.S., and Great Britain. The first to fall was Rodrigo Gonzalez, the son of Coahuila farmers, whose helicopter went down in Kuwait February 25th 2003, even before the invasion began. Four Mexicans and one Guatemalan were killed in the first days of Bush's aggression--marine units from Camp Pendleton where most California Mexican recruits train were in the vanguard of the invading force. "Latinos Give Their Lives For Their New Land" The New York Times editorialized. Joining the marines has become a sort of macho rite of passage for Mexican kids in southern California. Full court press recruitment in high school and promises to fix migration problems lures young people whose only other options are fieldwork or a dead-end job at McDonalds. 13,000 members of the U.S. Marine Corps--8% of the force--are either Mexican or Mexican American. Mexicans and Mexican Americans account for 55% of the 109,000 Latinos--Puerto Ricans, Dominicans, and Central Americans--who constitute a tenth of the United States armed forces. Although non-citizens are barred from induction in the U.S. military (the marines have an exemption), the loopholes are large. To bolster recruitment for the War on Terror in the wake of the attacks on New York and Washington, Bush issued new regs promising all non-citizens who joined the military after 9/11 that they would be on the "fast track" for citizenship. Still, despite Bush's edict, the only non-citizen soldiers (out of a total 0f 37,000) who were eligible for immediate citizenship were dead ones--death in combat automatically conferred this dubious honor post-humously. After the illusionary U.S. victory announced May 1st, 2003 by Bush in his "Mission Completed" declaration from the deck of an aircraft carrier off San Diego, all non-citizens serving in Iraq were granted immediate citizenship. One of the first Mexican soldiers to be killed in action in Iraq was Jesus Suarez who grew up in Tijuana but came to California after his father won immigration amnesty. When the military offered Fernando Suarez post-mortem citizenship for his son, he turned it down. His son was a Mexican and proud of it--an "Aztec warrior" so enamored of his indigenous roots that he had joined a Tijuana "concheros" Aztec dance troupe. Convinced of the futility of his son's sacrifice, Fernando Suarez later traveled to Iraq to see where Jesus had fallen and to talk to other Latino soldiers about what they are doing in that occupied land. "Their faces are hard but you can see their true sentiments in their eyes" the elder Suarez wrote in an e-mail, "their gaze asks what am I doing killing innocent people for nothing?" This summer, Fernando Suarez joined anti-war protests at the political conventions. Other Mexican families have suffered grievously over the loss of their children in Iraq. Ruben Estrella Sr., one of four El Paso Texas Mexican fathers whose sons or daughters were taken from them by Bush's illegal war, is suing the army because, he says, the family was cheated out of his son's death benefits by an unscrupulous recruiter. Angela Banuelos, the mother of Lance Corporal Juan Carlos Cabral, heard about his death while serving time in an Ohio penitentiary. Zeferino Colunga, the father of yet another dead Mexican G.I., was deported to his native Michoacan after living for over a decade in Texas. Now with the U.S. military facing an alarming short-fall to fight the Terror War and collateral "preventative" wars to be waged upon the darker peoples of the world, the head-hunting of Mexican youth on both sides of the border (U.S. recruiters have repeatedly invaded Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana high schools seeking duel citizenship students) is sure to be stepped up. Although Latinos are now the largest U.S. minority, they are under-represented in the armed forces and the Pentagon has launched a full-blast media campaign on Spanish-speaking media to sign them up. "The recruiters have a lot of guilt for the death of our children" Fernando Suarez considers, "they tell them that only the veterans will go to fight the war and it isn't true. Most of the Mexicans who have died in Iraq did not even have a year of military service." Mexicans often join and serve together in the military. There are high concentrations of Mexicans and Mexican Americans in California marine units, Texas National Guard units, and, for some unexplained statistical quirk, there are many Mexican Patriot missile operators. A New York Times reporter recently spent a day on patrol in south Baghdad with Company A of the Fifth Calvary which has many Mexican and Mexican-American members recruited principally off the streets of East Los Angeles. The stories they told of their months in Iraq confirm what Fernando Suarez saw in their eyes when he visited. Specialist Ray Flores was shot twice in the head at the beginning of April, a cruel month for U.S. casualties. His buddy Roberto Araiga, who was sitting right next to him, was killed instantly--Roberto had just been denied leave to go home and get married. When he returned from the hospital, Flores's superiors informed him that his tour of duty had been extended for 14 months. Now he is confined to barracks for "mental stress" and sits in a window seat all day, his automatic weapon trained on the terrain. "My life is ruined," he told the Times reporter, "I am all alone out here." Specialist Gerardo Barrajas just wants out. His homeboy Jose Gonzalez caught one early in the war and Gerardo wants to go back to the barrio and marry the "ruca" whose photo is pinned up in his tank turret, and not in a flag-draped coffin. But there are pressures. While the Times reporter is present, Barrajas is bullied and abused by his commanding officer, also a Latino, as a "parasite" for being reluctant to re-up. For specialist Jesse Lopez, another East L.A. boy, there are few options. "I'd rather be doing what I'm doing here (presumably killing Iraqis - ed note) than flipping Big Macs at the minimum wage." Lopez had just re-upped for four years. For Mexican G.I.s and those of Mexican descent in Iraq, there is no more significant role model than Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, the former commander of U.S. occupation forces. "To the Mexican people, he is a great hero," boasts Sergeant Ernesto Quijada whose family migrated from Cancun to New York ten years ago (actually, the "Mexican people" generally don't know that General Sanchez is a Mexican.) A poor kid `from Rio Grande City, across the big river from the honky tonk town of Miguel Aleman Tamaulipas on the Mexican side, Sanchez grew up ragged and hungry in south Texas. His father, an itinerant welder, disappeared when he was six and the family survived on welfare. An older brother who joined the military and came back from Vietnam with medals was Ricardo's own role model. A ROTC kid who literally pulled himself up by his bootstraps in a post-Vietnam, more 'multicultural" military, Sanchez moved up the ranks quickly and his big break came as deputy to General John Abizaid in Kosovo. Although Sanchez's military career has been a stunning success until quite recently, he has always been burdened by his humble Mexican origins and the fact that he is not a West Pointer, and has had to battle for recognition at every step of the way, a personal struggle that has made him a role model for young Mexican and Mexican American troops. But General Sanchez, whose greatest moment of glory came with the capture of Saddam Hussein in his spider hole in December 2003, seems to have fallen into his own spider hole of late. 600 U.S. troops went home in flag-draped coffins during his June-to-June tenure at the head of the occupation forces with no weapons of mass destruction or victory in sight. More painfully, the tortures on his watch at Abu Ghraib prison, a ten-minute helicopter ride from Sanchez's Baghdad airport command post, have permanently stained his once-unblemished reputation. General Sanchez was recently passed over to take over the Southern Command which oversees all U.S. military operations in Latin America, a post he was expected to fill, and it now seems unlikely that he will ever achieve the fourth star he has long coveted. Although some Mexican troops charge that General Sanchez has been unjustly scapegoated for the Abu Ghraib abuses by Rumsfeld and the Pentagon brass, the career of this Latino role model is kaput, one more Mexican victim of Bush's illegal war in Iraq. John Ross will be on the spot in Mexico City for much of July and August before sallying forth to do maximum mischief at the Republican National Convention in Manhattan from where he will launch the intergalactic tour of his latest instant cult classic "Murdered By Capitalism--A Memoir of 150 Years of Life & Death on the U.S. Left". ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:45:36 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 06-23-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JUST ADDED: ALAMGIR HASHMI Pakistan's premier English language poet reads. Wednesday, November 10, 7 p.m. in the Hibiscus Room. IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK: ARUNDHATI ROY COMES TO BUFFALO SEPT. 8-9 TICKETS ON SALE NOW!!! We are expecting tickets to sell out, so get them while they're still around. CALL 716.832.5400 to purchase by phone. Pick them up today at Just Buffalo or Talking Leaves Books (both locations). SCHEDULE OF EVENTS On "The God of Small Things" Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 8 p.m. Unitarian Universalist Church, 695 Elmwood Avenue, Corner of Ferry, in Buffalo. Admission $10. Hear Arundhati Roy read from her Booker Prize-winning novel and answer questions from the audience about the book. Co-sponsored by the Women's Studies Department at SUNY Buffalo. "Meet and Greet" Book Signing with Arundhati Roy Thursday, September 9, 2004 12-2 p.m. Talking Leaves Bookstore, 3158 Main St., Buffalo. Free. Come get your book signed and say hello to Arundhati Roy at Buffalo's finest independent bookstore. "Another World is Possible: A Conversation with Arundhati Roy," moderated by Amy Goodman. Thursday, September 9, 2004, 8 p.m. First Presbyterian Church, One Symphony Circle, Across from Kleinhahn's Music Hall, Admission, $10. In addition to being a great writer, Arundhati Roy is also recognized worldwide as an essayist and vigilant voice in the ongoing struggle against political and economic oppression. Come hear her discuss her work in the global political arena with Democracy Now host, Amy Goodman. Books will be for sale at both events from Talking Leaves Books. The reader's guide for this year's book, The God of Small Things, by Arundhati Roy, is now available as a free download on the Just Buffalo website. Sponsors of this year's event include The National Endowment for the Arts, Parkview Health Services, The Women's Studies Department at UB, 10,000 Villages, Buffalo State College, Talking Leaves Books, The New York State Council on the Arts, Erie County Cultural Funding, Rigidized Metals, Reid Petroleum and Harlequin Books. SPECIAL SCREENING AND VIDEO PRESENTATION TO FOLLOW ARUNDHATI ROY'S VISIT DROWNED OUT & A/S/L Friday, September 10, 8 p.m. Squeaky Wheel, 175 Elmwood Avenue tel: 716.884.7172 for more info $6 general, $5 members of Squeaky Wheel, Hallwalls & Just Buffalo A Co-presentation of Hallwalls, Squeaky Wheel and Just Buffalo DROWNED OUT Directed by Franny Armstrong (2002, 75 min., UK) Armstrong's documentary presents audiences with the three choices faced by the people of Jalsindhi in central India: move to the slums in the city, accept a place at a resettlement site or stay at home and drown. They must make a decision fast. In the next few weeks, their village will disappear underwater as the giant Narmada Dam fills. Bestselling author Arundhati Roy joins the fight against the dam and asks the difficult questions: Will the water go to poor farmers or to rich industrialists? What happened to the 16 million people displaced by fifty years of dam building? Why should I care? A/S/L A Video+Text Installation from India's Raqs Media Collective A/S/L (Age/Sex/Location) is a video+text installation on the lives of women workers in the online data outsourcing industry in India. The installation is a meditation on this, new gendered geography of online labour, on the everyday journeys into cyberspace that hundreds of thousands of labouring women make across the world. It is a document and a dramatization of the questions that surround these daily migrations between online and off-line worlds. It addresses the viewer with video, text and sound within the framework of an on site installation. FALL EVENT SPOTLIGHT: Balkan Poets Festival: Ammiel Alcalay, Ales Debeljak and Semezdin Mehmedinovic Friday, October 22, 12:30 p.m. and 8 p.m. Balkan Poetry and Poetics, A Roundtable Discussion 12:30 p.m. Poetry/Rare Books Collection, SUNY Buffalo Amherst Campus, 4th Floor of Capen Hall (Take elevator inside undergrduate library) Balkan Poets Read 8 p.m. Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo Ammiel Alcalay is a poet, translator, critic and scholar. He teaches in the department of Classical, Middle Eastern & Asian Languages & Cultures and in the Medieval Studies Program and Comparative Literature Department at the CUNY Graduate Center. His latest work, from the warring factions (Beyond Baroque, 2002), is a book-length poem dedicated to the Bosnian town of Srebrenica. Poetry, Politics & Translation: American Isolation and the Middle East, a lecture given at Cornell, was published in 2003 by Palm Press. His other books include After Jews and Arabs: Remaking Levantine Culture (University of Minnesota Press, 1993), the cairo noteboooks (Singing Horse Press, 1993), and Memories of Our Future: Selected Essays, 1982-1999 (City Lights, 1999). He has also translated widely, including Sarajevo Blues and Nine Alexandrias by Semezdin Mehmedinovic (City Lights), and Keys to the Garden: New Israeli Writing (City Lights, 1996). Ales Debeljak, born 1961 in Ljubljana, Slovenia, is currently chair of the cultural studies department at the University of Ljubljana. A poet and social analyst, he has published many books, including Dictionary of Silence; The City and the Child; Reluctant modernity: the institution of art and its historical forms; Anxious Moments; Twilight of Idols: The Tragedy of Yugoslavia and Individualism; and Literary Metaphors of the Nation. Semezdin Mehmedinovic was born in Bosnia in 1960. After the Bosnian war was finished in 1996, he moved to the U.S. In Bosnia , he worked as an editor, journalist, and columnist for magazines, radio and TV; he did art performances, shot a movie and published several books of poetry. Two of them are published by City Lights, San Francisco : Sarajevo Blues and Nine Alexandrias, translated by Ammiel Alcalay. He lives with his wife and son in Alexandria, VA. Co-Sponsored by the Samuel Chapen Chair of Poetry and The Humanities and the David Gray Chair of Poetry and Letters at S.U.N.Y. at Buffalo. SNEAK PEAK AT FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM September 1: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo September 24: Dan Sicoli and Joe Malvestuto, music and poetry October 8 or 15: Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace October 13: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Alamgir Hashmi November 12: Brendan Lorber and Sasha Steensen December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak November 29- December 3: Frances Richey JOYCE CAROLYN'S CORNER IN SEPTEMBER BUFFALO CATS Saturday, September 25, 3-5 p.m., Burchfield Penney Arts Center at Buffalo State College $10, $8 students/seniors, $6 members Just Buffalo proudly presents a celebration of Buffalo-born artists. Nationally and internationally recognized writers, musicians and visual artists born in Buffalo will return to their hometown for this special, one-show-only engagement. Featuring Buffalo fiction writer Gary Earl Ross, saxophonist Reynolds Scott and visual artist James Pappas. FALL WORKSHOPS Playwriting Basics, with Kurt Schneiderman 6 Tuesdays, October 5-November 9, 7-9 p.m. $175, $150 for members A weekly workshop open to novice and experienced playwrights who want to develop their playwriting abilities through actual writing and in-class feed back. Bring in new or old work to be read aloud and critiqued by everyone involved in the workshop. Course will include readings from various classic theatre texts and discussion of playwriting structure and theory. You can expect to emerge from this course with some written and workshopped dialogue, and with an introduction to the overall theoretical framework for dramatic writing. Kurt Schneiderman is currently Dramaturg for the Buffalo Ensemble Theatre, the coordinator of the annual new play competition at the Area Playwrights' Performance Series, and Director of the new play, forum Play Readings & Stuff. Named one of "Buffalo's emerging young playwrights" by Gusto Magazine and Buffalo's "next A.R. Gurney" by Artvoice Magazine, Kurt was the winner of the Helen Mintz Award for Best New Play (2003) and was nominated for the Artie Award for Outstanding New Play (2004). Most recently, one of Kurt's plays was chosen for the 2004 Toronto Fringe Festival. Writing For Children and Teenagers, with Harriet K. Feder 4 Saturdays Oct 2, 9, 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $135, $110 for members Is that story for kids you long to write cowering inside your head? Is it gasping for air beneath the clutter in your desk? Then it's time to come out of the drawer. Learn to capture your readers with an intriguing "Hook;" build Believable Characters; use a single Point Of View, Identify a Conflict, Show Rather Than Tell and Market your work to an editor. Harriet K. Feder, a former editor of Tom Thumb's Magazine and instructor for the Institute of Children's Literature has published books for everyone from toddlers to teens in the US and abroad.. Her most recent young adult novel, Death On Sacred Ground was a 2002 nominee for both Edgar and Agatha awards; a Sidney Taylor Notable Book; a Children's Literature Choice; and a New York Public Library Teen Choice. Her writing has won her a Woman of Accomplishment Legacy Project Award along with such other Western New York notables as Lucille Ball, Joyce Carol Oates, Virginia Kroll, and Gerda Klein. She is a member of the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, Mystery Writers of America, Sisters in Crime, Author's Guild, and Pennwriters of PA. The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff Four Saturday workshops: September 18, October 16, November 13, December 11, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m Whole seminar: $175, $150 for members. Single Saturday session: $50, $40 for members Turn Your Travel Experiences Into Articles for Newspapers and Magazines, September 18 Writing & Selling Short Stories, October 16 Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 Kathryn Radeff's work has appeared in local, regional and national magazines and newspapers, including Woman's World, Instructor, American Fitness, Personal Journaling, The Daytona Beach News Journal, and The Buffalo News and Buffalo Spree. For the past 25 years, she has worked extensively as an educator emphasizing a creative approach to getting published. On Novel Writing, with Linda Lavid 6 Saturdays, September 25, October 2, 9, 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $175, $150 for members Time to brush off that manuscript somewhere buried, take the plunge, and make the commitment to write the great American novel. Yes, the brass ring can be yours, but first you must write the story. For both veterans and novices, this seminar will present the critical foundations necessary to assist you in writing a novel. Topics include: developing plots, building character, generating scenes and, finally, how to make it all make sense. Linda Lavid is author of Rented Rooms. Here work has appeared in The Southern Cross Review, Plots With Guns, Wilmington Blues, and Over Coffee. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!), utilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of $50 or more. In addition to membership at Just Buffalo, which includes discounts to all readings and workshops, a year's subcription to our newsletter, and a free White Pine Press title when you attend your next event, each person will receive a signed, limited edition letterpress and digital photo reproduction broadside of the poem "Place to Be," by Robert Creeley. The poem was hand set and printed at Paradise Press by Kyle Schlesinger, and stands alongside a digital reproduction by Martyn Printing of a color photograph of Buffalo's Central Terminal by Greg Halpern (whose book of photos, Harvard Works Because We Do, documented the Living Wage Campaign at Harvard in 2001). Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS LISTINGS Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at mjk@justbuffalo.org. Due to the number of Just Buffalo events listed in this newsletter, we cannot list an event here unless it is a Just Buffalo-sponsored or co-sponsored event. However, starting this fall, we will run a short list of the week's events at the end of the newsletter with a link to the Community Literary Events page on our website. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:05:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Question (please answer Real) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Does anyone have any true & reliable info on what is called Bi-polar? Not the usual chemical imbalance shit (I already have heard that enough) I'm stuck with the label, so I figure I would like to read something on it... thanks, Ian VanHeusen _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:09:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kristin Dykstra MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fall 2004 Room 305 Gallery Exhibitions & Washington St. Studio Readings *Location listing is at the bottom of the message. **Events on Friday, August 27, 2004. Art opening at Room 305 Gallery, 6-8pm: Mike Bosworth (NY). Installation: "Falls: A Hydrodynamic Phantasmagoria." Michael Bosworth is a nationally exhibiting artist and Assistant Professor in the photography department of Villa Maria College in Buffalo, NY. He has exhibited work at galleries such as the Sean Kelly Gallery (NY), Birchfield-Penny Art Center (Buffalo, NY), Visual Studies Workshop (Rochester, NY), Big Orbit Gallery(Buffalo, NY), CEPA Gallery (Buffalo, NY), and the Western New York Show at the Albright-Knox Art Gallery(Buffalo, NY). His commissioned public art projects include the Main Street/Art Street Windows Project and Herd About Buffalo. Bosworth received his MFA in photography from the University of New Mexico, a BFA in Art and a BA in English from the University at Buffalo. Washington St. Studio Readings begin at 8pm, featuring Daniel Morris (IN) and Joe Amato (IL). Daniel Morris is the author of the recently published book of his original poetry Bryce Passage (Marsh Hawk Press, 2004). His poetry has appeared in Agni, Colorado Review, Denver Quarterly, Western Humanities Review, River City, and other journals. Associate Professor of English at Purdue University, Morris has published scholarly books on William Carlos Williams and on how contemporary American authors have responded to modern painting. He lives in West Lafayette, Indiana with his wife, Joy, young sons, Isaac and Aaron, and infant daughter, Hannah. Joe Amato is the author of Symptoms of a Finer Age (Viet Nam Generation, 1994), Bookend: Anatomies of a Virtual Self (SUNY Press, 1997), and Under Virga (Chax Press, forthcoming). His poetry, essays, reviews and digital art have been published or are forthcoming in such journals as The Iowa Review, 88, Nineteenth Century Studies, Postmodern Culture, New American Writing, Jacket, Chain, electronic book review, Crayon, Writing on the Edge, Denver Quarterly, The Iowa Review Web and Voices in Italian Americana. In a past life, Amato (a licensed professional engineer) spent seven years as a project engineer with two Fortune 500 factories in central New York. His current projects include a memoir, No Outlet: An Engineer in the Works; a novel, Big Man with a Shovel; and a book on poetic theory, Industrial Poetics: Demo Tracks for a Culture on the Blink. With Kass Fleisher, he has coauthored four scripts, two of which -- BEAR RIVER and GOOD FENCES -- advanced to the semifinal round of the 2003 Chesterfield fellowship competition hosted by Paramount Pictures. **Coming up next: Events on Friday, October 8, 2004. Room 305 Gallery Art Opening: Jennifer Danos (IL) Jennifer Danos is a visual artist originally from Chicago, though she has lived in a number of cities in the US and abroad. She is a recent MFA graduate of the studio art program at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) where she taught Beginning Sculpture and served as Graduate Liaison for the Visiting Artists Committee. In April, Jennifer participated in the MFA exhibition at the Krannert Museum in Champaign and was chosen to show work this summer in the curated MFA exhibition, "You Are Here," at I Space, the Chicago gallery of UIUC. She was involved with Space 1026 Gallery and Studios in Philadelphia prior to graduate school, and with that collective has shown work in numerous group exhibitions in Philadelphia and New York, most notably at the Institute of Contemporary Art at the University of Pennsylvania in 2001. Jennifer completed her undergraduate degree in 1997 from the Rhode Island School of Design. She currently lives and works in Urbana, Illinois. Washington St. Studio Readings: Steve Tomasula (IN) & Curtis White (IL) Steve Tomasula is a critic and author whose short fiction has appeared widely and most recently in McSweeney's, Fiction International, and The Iowa Review where he received the Iowa Prize for the most distinguished work in any genre. His essays on body art and culture appear in Leonardo (M.I.T. Press) and other magazines both here and in Europe. He is the author of the novels IN & OZ (Ministry of Whimsy Press, 2003) and VAS: An Opera in Flatland (Station Hill Press, 2003/ University of Chicago Press, 2004). He teaches in the program for writers at the University of Notre Dame. Memories of My Father Watching TV (1998), Monstrous Possibility: An Invitation to Literary Politics (1998), and Requiem (2001) are some of Curtis White's most recent book-length publications. America's Magic Mountain is forthcoming from Dalkey Archive Press. White adds, "I am currently working on a book on Spirit and Disobedience. From all early appearances, this is an unpublishable project, and that may be its saving grace." WHERE: Brian Collier Studio / Room 305 Gallery 510 E. Washington St. Suite 304 Bloomington, IL (located on the 3rd floor of the old Bloomington Jr. High School at the corner of Washington and McLean) Information (309)824-6493 **Parking is available on street and in lot behind the building. A short walk from Bloomington's central downtown square. -- Dr. Kristin Dykstra Assistant Professor Department of English Illinois State University Campus Box 4240 Normal, IL 61790-4240 ------------------------------------------------------------ Illinois State University Webmail https://webmail2.ilstu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:56:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Johnny Cash's reply to Ishaq Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I figured after reading the proxy article that was forwarded by Ishaq I would throw this bit into the waters... I am a little tired. I might have to visit 1,000 doctors because, unfortunately, I actually paid attention in school & remember a good little motto DARE: Just say No to drugs... besides for the specialists I am enjoying life, trying to keep my head up in the middle of the Military Industrial Complex... "Call him drunken Ira Hayes he won't answer anymore, not the whiskey drinking Indian or the Marine who went to war... (skip a lot) ... jail was often his home, there they would let him raise & lower the flag like you would throw a dog a bone." I cannot validate the story, but the song says that Ira Hayes was one of the "heroes" of Iwagima (spelling ?)... go figure. Peace, Ian PS. No meds, not even sweet Mary Jane. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:40:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: 1000 t-shirt project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How about a t-shirt for every fallen Iraqi? -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "lisa jarnot" To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 8:36 PM Subject: 1000 t-shirt project > Dear Poetics List Folks, > > I have a new project (of the arts & crafts variety). I'm making 1000 > political t-shirts and dedicating each one to a fallen soldier in Iraq. > there's a website with info at > www.angelfire.com/poetry/lisajarnot/iraqhat.html . (this is a sequel to my > ongoing 100 hats project.) > > all best, > Lisa Jarnot > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:25:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: LITTLE PALM POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed LITTLE PALM POEM of the double i'm followed by my double = triple of the shadow of the shadow's shadow of the double's shadow of the shadow of the triple of the shadow's double of the triples of the triple's shadow of the shadow's triples of the triple of the shadow IN THIS WORLD WITHOUT SUN _ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:26:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: rhinegold.mov MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed File changes saved. rhinegold.mov * Send this page to somebody * Print this page * Add to Favorites this is made from a larger video to be sure, uniting the story of the rheingold or rhinegold, I prefer the latter although I'm really not sure, of course it might be the former, and pelican feeding and meditation, this isn't really well thought-out, I've just been working and working on this, it's hardly deep, there's symbolic value in a ring of course, but in fact I loved the pelican, and couldn't add anything to it, the ring changes into a cylinder, silent, probably not worth the price of admission, alan Click here to get the file http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/rhinegold.mov Size 7.2 MB - File type video/quicktime Created by sondheim Last modified 2004-08-23 01:05 AM __ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:28:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: New York in September MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're now planning to spend most of September (from the 4th through the = 30th) in New York City, for which we're sendng you the following = coordinates. =20 =20 As before we expect to be picking up e-mail at the present address - = jrothenberg@cox.net - but also at Diane Rothenberg's e-mail address - = jdrothenberg@aol.com - & at our hotmail address: = jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com. =20 Our address and numbers in New York are: =20 c/o Gold 365 West 26 Street Apt. 12F New York, NY 10001 tel. 212-367-9930 fax 646-336-6395=20 =20 For those of you in or near the city, I'll be engaging in a couple of = events that may be of interest: =20 September 17-19 The Louis Zukofsky Centennial Conference Columbia University & Barnard College http://writing.upenn.edu/epc/authors/zukofsky/100/ My own presentation: Sunday September 19, 2:00 p.m.: closing remarks =20 September 21 6:30 p.m. Colloquium: "Secular Jewish Culture / Radical Poetic Practice"=20 Center for Jewish History, 15 West 16th Street, Manhattan along with Paul Auster, Charles Bernstein, Kathryn Hellerstein, Stephen = Paul Miller, Marjorie Perloff =20 Also, if you're around and want to get together during that time, please = get back to us by email now or by phone following our arrival. We'll = also try to be in touch from our end. =20 Looking forward & warm best wishes, =20 Jerry & Diane Rothenberg ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:35:58 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Ed Berrigan, Amy King, Deborah Poe in Baltimore 8/29 Comments: To: Aaron DeBruin , aaron debruin , amy king , cole swensen , Craig Allen Conrad , craig young , emiy moore , furniturepressdesign@graffiti.net, johanna brown , justin sirois , kevin fitzgerald , Kevin Thurston , lauren bender , Lauren Bender , Lisa Marie Miller , mackus_daddius@riseup.net, marianne , mobtown , noah eli gordon , ryan walker , tom orange , william james austin Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 All: Sorry about cross posting: This sunday, August 29th at 5 pm at Minas Gallery in Baltimore, Edmund Berrigan, Amy King and Deborah Poe will be reading. Anyone who is local is welcome to join us, it's free. This is the debut reading and it looks to be a phenomenal series. Help make it happen. We got refreshments, sweets and an excellent line, with, of course, goodies to give away (zines and Hydrant #1). Info is below, please write me if you want more info or just to say 'hi' Christophe Casamassima ---------------------- The Portable Reading Series August 29th 2004 @ 5PM hosted by furniture_press Minas Gallery (at Hampden) 815 W. 36th Street Baltimore, MD 21211 ‡ presents ‡ Edmund Berrigan is the author of Disarming Matter (The Owl Press 1999), two Idiom chapbooks, Counting the Hats and Ducks, A Serious Earth (with drawings by William Yackulic), and Your Cheatin’ Heart (Furniture Press 2004). His poems have been published in Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics, Arshile, Mirage #4/Period[ical], Talisman, and The World. Amy King received her MFA from Brooklyn College in 2000 and a MacArthur Scholarship for Poetry in 1999. She is the author of a Pavement Saw Press chapbook, The People Instruments, and her poems have appeared in numerous print and on-line journals, including Aufgabe, Combo, Shampoo, Skanky Possum, and Tarpaulin Sky. Amy co-edits Ambit : Journal of Poetry & Poetics with Christophe Casamassima. Her pamphlet in the Serial Pamphleteer Editions is forthcoming from Furniture Press. Deborah Poe has lived in Paris, Austin, Taos, Houston, various places in and around Seattle, and now resides in New York state. She was last seen in Washington with an Atlas mover and a diploma that identifies her as a Master of Arts recipient. She's in New York to begin her PhD. She is working on completing her first collection of poems to submit by September. Poems and reviews have, or are forthcoming, in Solo Magazine, Jeopardy, Bellingham Zen, Poetry Midwest, and Snow Monkey. Deborah's chapbook ,,clitoris,, ,,vulva,, ,,penis,, was published in April 2004 by Furniture Press. …will be followed by a walk to Fraser’s on the Avenue for a few rounds of draught & conversation. furniture_press@graffiti.net -or- 410.718.6574 -- _______________________________________________ Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 09:44:02 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: More at 7:30: =?windows-1252?Q?=A1Ya!_Let_Me_holla?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ¡Ya! E love Him. He show Me Him. Hey yaeh All praise Him, the righteous, the true. May He grant this, let Him gift this, may He boon this legend, let Him let me utter, let me holla, vote and voice--conversate this, let me speak, let me speak. Let Him let me say he was like a gun--no mind, no soul it all depended on how or woht you used him for en they used him, alright. He had some smarts but didn’t know how to focus unless somebody took him up; gave him faux love en aimed him straight-out to woht they wonted wanted. Then he could see wicked little monsters. He was such a scandal. One word, one thing one lyrical splay, one bullet, one pipe one fist one after another, maximum violence until the damages was done en they were wallbangin wiph th blood jettin from their jugulars. Huh, yaeh, lemme Wohts the colour of heaven loc? Woht’s the colour of a loco, lok? Is it like heaven, homie? Is it a nigga Miles blue? A twistin screwface bwoy? A Brown blk? Wailin Tosh red givin back? Is it an Ebo Island coat en trim? a Long Mile grey. Was it More? a smart Gaw, before he was en come a glock Gaw en a michan, a messenger, a messy anger [EL!] A bellycutting rebel? cueing quick wiph the theories, breaking codes and currupting carrier waves? mashing the dappening fields away from whot could’ve moved [Sofar] a no [Griot Organizer No] minded lil’bitch [a chick] weighting up points for Gawdz en Mobsters; runnin for sheisty corner phat cats wiph cashness en bantam cruelty on their mind? outside of conjuring cool coo daddy mecx moving to be illegitimate bosshog beneficiaries of Eldrige Cleaver’s lil punk pushin employment center? In this age of hella m.a.d. heroes--come on, come on, come on let me holla. He had a smile thét could wipe you out. It was a grin. A gat-addict. Ad lib on a naplam warrior dropped from a doped out bakin book on a push scooter/a digital mash [burn x2 <> 40fpr] chromed out slick baby [High rEs] lowrider. A bouncy bike. [audio] His mom, she got him when she was 14. The lab engineered the track at a party thét she was fixed on for months. To get to. She sneak over wiph her amigas. Make it big time wiph these flyass fucs lookin for tight puta to bustout en stupid stupids ready to go on uptop wiph. comeon She had him. [a] huh She raised him. lemme [o] She cried when they held her. comeon [w] Bust her Try They pressed her. pussy tight aaaaow oooohhh They bust in her lemme,naw [a] Rip her [st] kill it fast [a/a/a/a/ga/aa] fuc, maaaaan Blood take it a/a/a/a/a/p/p/p/pa/a/a/a/a/a shit aooooow lemme [A/aaao] dawg Month on months later, he came out of her. Ooooh ssshhhhit [mmammm] nice [MmMmmm] lemme [aa/a/a] oooh, mayn She tried smilin to forget thét it didn’t fuc his beautiful brain. nail it Comeon, comeon you done, buddy, woht? On some stupid shit Move it over, dawg, dang They gat her aah Got it. yaeh Aow p.u.s.h. Wide open fa bustin a wicked niggerotic slave train. He had the smile thét was jus like the one who most like him. Who bust ova her. jump pon [oo] [ga] faaaac, man She remembered best, it was the one wiph the evil en sweet gleam who sparkled off his wet/thick eyeballz--pain en love en happiness en cruelty. The smell of him. The scent of him. The silence of the room. Thét giggle. The noise of him. hold on His grin. sshhhh The shine on top of his dome. His thick lense. The reflection off the lamp. The kissas of nuovo negrows -- 6 blanche face wiggaz, wiph deadin eyes, hooked on roids lookin past goldrush memories/hyperbolic syllabic 7th/burnin mp3 on Cd- Rs for Cook’s thugz. He leave his funky residue inside her. linger on [h] baby, we gonna bust [pleass Aow] aah, Fuc [ga/ma/Aa/sto/hugn] aah/yaeh[hah]uh/yaeh/ooo Was his lil germ thét shredded through the woobly zero deep inside her twat. Thét would move en was whot will become her bidy baseborn gun heartnic, pipe bomb shreddin shorty, debaptize, More. Ain’t he figga… Fa go T’me Comeon, comeon, let me holla. ****** As time flash to the present, We bang en spit this version. Grand Master, the Master of the Universal nekgah, I do not deny You or I or woht More was. It is wiph this man I celebrate; wiph this version, this plate I spit. G’¡Ya!, yo, if You let Me holla, Ima break the Pavement apart like this, My Master -- Once a kid, named Andrew, dropt a Doom Patrol comic on Me. Was G Morrison woht was who spoke it en told it. I see on thét daye. En da daye it happen, it was wiph thét then, I reached a higher level of self en I found out, fo truht, thét I, the I, the Me, the super We, all Us in Us could test the flybwoys wiph this new skill -- My will. Feel. My deal is this Skill. I learned thét You en I can make a sissy strut tough -- gag the version wiph all the wit en will of Me Grande, Mi Ras, My Master, Grand Master, thét I could speak, too. Comeon Let Me holla He said, ‘pray Gawd. Gawd is.’ Gaw see all. ...sssshhhhhhooooch zuuq from More at 7:30 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746 Mysterious Death of Native Artist: Anthany Dawson http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/24950.php ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://awol.objector.org/artistprofiles/welfarepoets.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.dpgrecordz.com/fredwreck/\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/THCO2\ } ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:15:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure. But a start would be, like in the original Olympics, the contestants would compete nude. -Joel ----- Original Message ----- From: "furniture_ press" To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > I wonder what kind of events would take place during the olympic test to win the gold medal in human rights. any ideas? > > chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joel Weishaus > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:48:07 -0700 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > > Re: Stephen: > Re: > Re: Sports Illustrated is one of the few publications that Bush reads besides > Re: the Book of Revelations. > Re: Interesting, too, that South- and North Korea are at the Olympics as a > Re: unified team. This is heartening. > Re: What is disheartening, however, is the continuous display of jingoism by > Re: Americans in Athens, even though they've been told to tone it down. I'd like > Re: to have pride in my country. I'd like to see it win a gold medal in human > Re: rights. Then I, too, will wave the flag. > Re: > Re: -Joel > Re: > Re: ----- Original Message ----- > Re: From: "Stephen Vincent" > Re: To: > Re: Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 12:22 PM > Re: Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > Re: > Re: > Re: > In case you have not picked up the most recent Sports Illustrated: > Re: > > Re: > Subject: Iraqui Olympic footballers tell Bush a thing or two > Re: > > Re: > from Sports Illustrated > Re: > Posted: Thursday August 19, 2004 12:50PM > Re: > > Re: > Unwilling participants > Re: > Iraqi soccer players angered by Bush campaign ads > Re: > > Re: > PATRAS, Greece -- Iraqi midfielder Salih Sadir scored a goal here on > Re: > Wednesday night, setting off a rousing celebration among the 1,500 > Re: > Iraqi soccer supporters at Pampeloponnisiako Stadium. Though Iraq -- > Re: > the surprise team of the Olympics -- would lose to Morocco 2-1, it > Re: > hardly mattered as the Iraqis won Group D with a 2-1 record and now > Re: > face Australia in the quarterfinals on Sunday. > Re: > > Re: > Afterward, Sadir had a message for U.S. president George W. Bush, who > Re: > is using the Iraqi Olympic team in his latest re-election campaign > Re: > advertisements. > Re: > > Re: > In those spots, the flags of Iraq and Afghanistan appear as a narrator > Re: > says, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two > Re: > fewer terrorist regimes." > Re: > "Iraq as a team does not want Mr. Bush to use us for the presidential > Re: > campaign," Sadir told SI.com through a translator, speaking calmly and > Re: > directly. "He can find another way to advertise himself." > Re: > > Re: > Ahmed Manajid, who played as a midfielder on Wednesday, had an even > Re: > stronger response when asked about Bush's TV advertisement. "How will > Re: > he meet his god having slaughtered so many men and women?" Manajid told > Re: > me. "He has committed so many crimes." > Re: > > Re: > "The ad simply talks about President Bush's optimism and how democracy > Re: > has triumphed over terror," said Scott Stanzel, a spokesperson for > Re: > Bush's campaign. "Twenty-five million people in Iraq are free as a > Re: > result of the actions of the coalition." > Re: > > Re: > To a man, members of the Iraqi Olympic delegation say they are glad > Re: > that former Olympic committee head Uday Hussein, who was responsible > Re: > for the serial torture of Iraqi athletes and was killed four months > Re: > after the U.S.-led coalition invaded Iraq in March 2003, is no longer > Re: > in power. > Re: > > Re: > But they also find it offensive that Bush is using Iraq for his own > Re: > gain when they do not support his administration's actions. "My > Re: > problems are not with the American people," says Iraqi soccer coach > Re: > Adnan Hamad. "They are with what America has done in Iraq: destroy > Re: > everything. The American army has killed so many people in Iraq. What > Re: > is freedom when I go to the [national] stadium and there are shootings > Re: > on the road?" > Re: > > Re: > At a speech in Beaverton, Ore., last Friday, Bush attached himself to > Re: > the Iraqi soccer team after its opening-game upset of Portugal. "The > Re: > image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's > Re: > fantastic, isn't it?" Bush said. "It wouldn't have been free if the > Re: > United States had not acted." > Re: > > Re: > Sadir, Wednesday's goal-scorer, used to be the star player for the > Re: > professional soccer team in Najaf. In the city in which 20,000 fans > Re: > used to fill the stadium and chant Sadir's name, U.S. and Iraqi forces > Re: > have battled loyalists to rebel cleric Moktada al-Sadr for the past two > Re: > weeks. Najaf lies in ruins. > Re: > > Re: > "I want the violence and the war to go away from the city," says Sadir, > Re: > 21. "We don't wish for the presence of Americans in our country. We > Re: > want them to go away." > Re: > > Re: > Manajid, 22, who nearly scored his own goal with a driven header on > Re: > Wednesday, hails from the city of Fallujah. He says coalition forces > Re: > killed Manajid's cousin, Omar Jabbar al-Aziz, who was fighting as an > Re: > insurgent, and several of his friends. In fact, Manajid says, if he > Re: > were not playing soccer he would "for sure" be fighting as part of the > Re: > resistance. > Re: > > Re: > "I want to defend my home. If a stranger invades America and the people > Re: > resist, does that mean they are terrorists?" Manajid says. "Everyone > Re: > [in Fallujah] has been labeled a terrorist. These are all lies. > Re: > Fallujah people are some of the best people in Iraq." > Re: > > Re: > Everyone agrees that Iraq's soccer team is one of the Olympics' most > Re: > remarkable stories. If the Iraqis beat Australia on Saturday -- which > Re: > is entirely possible, given their performance so far -- they would > Re: > reach the semifinals. Three of the four semifinalists will earn medals, > Re: > a prospect that seemed unthinkable for Iraq before this tournament. > Re: > > Re: > When the Games are over, though, Coach Hamad says, they will have to > Re: > return home to a place where they fear walking the streets. "The war is > Re: > not secure," says Hamad, 43. "Many people hate America now. The > Re: > Americans have lost many people around the world--and that is what is > Re: > happening in America also." > Re: > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! > > Powered by Outblaze > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:03:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jacqueline Waters Subject: FWD: Workshops with Bernadette Mayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Bernadette Mayer will be teaching poetry workshops > this summer & fall at her house in upstate New > York. Workshops will be in small groups or one-on-one. > > The cost is $250 which includes the workshop as well > as room & board. > > email psgood@hotmail.com to make arrangements or for > more information. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:17:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Speedo on PBS on August 24 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tired of those Swift boats running endlessly back and forth across the screen? Much preferable and with much more humor, real pathos, etc. try: Speedo A Demolition Derby Love Story A Film by Jesse Moss August 24, Tuesday Night 10 PM (Eastern Standard Time) National PBS Broadcast on the POV Series Check Local PBS Listings and find more information about the film at http://www.pbs.org/pov/pov2004/speedo/ This is also a shameless plug here for my friend Andrew Moss' son Jesse who made the film. I saw a screening here in the Bay Area and was totally struck by it (film, not the car). Enjoy. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com More detail: SPEEDO is a documentary about the promising racing career and troubled family life of Ed "Speedo" Jager, one of the nation's top demolition derby drivers. Trapped in a failing marriage, Speedo channels life's frustrations onto the track, hoping to parlay his talents into a "real" racing career. When he falls for Liz, a track official from New Jersey, his life takes a surprising turn. "Funny and sad, often at the same time, this documentary is a head on hit." Entertainment Weekly "Highly enjoyable." Variety "An instant cult classic." Film Threat Winner of Audience and Jury Awards at the Full Documentary Film Festival, the Boston Independent Film Festival, the Newport Film Festival, and the Hamptons International Film Festival Jesse Moss is the founder of Mile End Films, a New York-based film and television production company. Prior to "Speedo," Moss produced and directed Con Man, a one-hour documentary about an Ivy League imposter, which aired on HBO/Cinemax in 2002. He is currently completing a documentary special for AMC about Republicans in Hollywood. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:30:05 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: untitled - or call it "lie stands in third line" Comments: To: WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I want to die in the place of you I want to take your degenerated cells within me I want you to find a better man than me I want you to fuck with life to the extreme I want you to feel joy laughter and love the densest I am with love in you I am in life with you cyrill duneau - 2k4 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:53:02 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Fwd: txt Fwd: txt Fwd: txt Fwd: txt Fwd: txt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Forwarded message from dolmensniper@free.fr ----- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:50:20 +0200 From: dolmensniper@free.fr Reply-To: dolmensniper@free.fr Subject: txt To: dolmensniper@free.fr While hole of glory can be hole of glory Carol =spams"> While girls on girls can be lesbo Charlotte &head=b&box=spams"> Alot of lesby friends can be lesby friends Lisa The east indian women is dot on head girls Lulu Imagine girls on girls may be lesbo Georgia a&head=b&box=spams"> A to big meat may be way too big for her Lisa "> The rap video girls will be ladies want to audition for rap video Zora &box=spams"> Cause large meat in small lady will be large meat in small lady td> Hilary Alot of the hard stuff can be tons o ho s Eileen A ladies want to audition for rap video will be ladies want to audition for rap ... Rita Alot of tran ny will be shea male &order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=spams"> A Granny da nanny is old grandmom Melody order= While rap video ladies will be ladies want to audition for rap video Billie While carto_ons is carto_ons ----- End forwarded message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:43:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan E Minton Subject: New Issue of Word For/Word MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Word For/Word #6 is online at http://www.wordforword.info with poetics, prose, visuals, and poetry by: Jenna Cardinale, C. S. Carrier, Geneva Chao, Alison Eastley, Skip Fox, Vernon Frazer, Anthony Hawley, Mary Kasimor, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen, Donna Kuhn, Carlos Luis, Camille Martin, Andrew Nightingale, Juliet Patterson, Christian Peet, Ken Rumble, Brandon Shimoda, James Shivers, Thomas Lowe Taylor, Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino, Steven Timm, and Mark Young. Best, Jonathan Minton ++++++++++++++ from The P(r)etty Sonnets, by Anthony Hawley XXXII As if this were not about to break As if from the cracked pitcher Birds did not fly out As if across the window they seldom cast their shadow As if not the goose Than who Would last this Winter in which there is too much Already As if this winter would have us walk across it As if I have not once cast a single shadow As if a shadow were not allowed As if the new snow wouldn't have Sound of a pitcher about to break Sound of a headache ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:29:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Lisa Jarnot Email me In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lisa email me about the hats saudade@comcast.net Ray Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]On Behalf Of lisa jarnot > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:36 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: 1000 t-shirt project > > > Dear Poetics List Folks, > > I have a new project (of the arts & crafts variety). I'm making 1000 > political t-shirts and dedicating each one to a fallen soldier in Iraq. > there's a website with info at > www.angelfire.com/poetry/lisajarnot/iraqhat.html . (this is a > sequel to my > ongoing 100 hats project.) > > all best, > Lisa Jarnot > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:44:37 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: [van-announce] Spartacus Books Fundraiser MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040604090903000004040404" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040604090903000004040404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spartacus Books Benefit Concert to Raise Funds for a New Space Spartacus Books, Vancouver's renowned volunteer-run, non-profit bookstore is holding a benefit concert to raise funds to reopen at a new location. Friday August 27th at the Anza Club (3 West 8th Ave at Ontario) Doors open 7pm, Show starts at 8pm featuring: Submission Hold the Winks Dead by Dawn Soundsystem L. Abramson the Weather Kurtis J. Brown Rowan and DJs admission: $5-$20, no one will be turned away for lack of funds. Critical Mass will ride to the show. Spartacus Books, Vancouver's 30-year-old non-profit, volunteer run, radical bookstore was destroyed in a fire in April 2004. All inventory, computers, and the public community space it hosted was destroyed. Come out and support this community institution while listening to some great local music. more info: http://www.spartacusbooks.org spartacu@vcn.bc.ca ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ --------------040604090903000004040404 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="0"; x-mac-creator="0"; name="file:///tmp/nsmail.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="file:///tmp/nsmail.asc" _______________________________________________ van-announce mailing list van-announce@lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/mailman/listinfo/van-announce --------------040604090903000004040404-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:38:04 -0400 Reply-To: editor@fulcrumpoetry.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Fulrum 2 reviewed in Jacket Comments: To: BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fulcrum 2 is reviewed in Jacket by Ilya Kaminsky: http://jacketmagazine.com/25/kam-fulcr.html Philip Nikolayev & Katia Kapovich, eds. Fulcrum Annual 334 Harvard Street, Suite D-2 Cambridge, MA 02139, USA phone 617-864-7874 e-mail editor@fulcrumpoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:40:24 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Americans Still Don't Eat Enough Iraqis Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Americans Still Don't Eat Enough Iraqis By JUBE HIRSCHEY ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:41:55 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noemata@KUNST.NO Subject: i'm not saying Comments: To: WRYTING MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" for the arps and sensiblargoviee and seated ities depts it's something spiritual acronymic comperata droll, votes you compression, it's when you can't compress (more). still y could translate, later, without loss. would a photo captwidth a pixies casters it? no, or it zedek be pericline ure it. no, or poto thsobranje the winooski, if you can snelling of it, toddle jada e wholeness, if you can speak of it then that's why it's obwh ogress, massa, cones ject, mat/arial, con/crete candy(d)a you need your wholyou nightside your wonted selvaged e sensibilithy tv-art would be anwotted an osmium roseland asylum, and intellect the hushaby overload room, inside the hypercube when she's runningwandoo sanjak, her freudalizable has solipsism chines wave , her feet has some characteristic (w)hole - that' the len(d)s, in advance of not really antroponot redshank too mechanizer o's morph, its too many o's, holes again, eyes and owls again (quarlean) stillness, not focs us interval, not foiling, not samisen pelagian us, i'm not saying it's passive you know, blub bluyou kindness, blanton bignonia wakening wholeheartedly legs lineally not history, on a not humorers, on a vociferously wave __ lumber isbn 82-92428-05-4 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:55:06 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Important Update | UFPJ Court Case Still Pending MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ACTION ALERT * UNITED FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE http://www.unitedforpeace.org | 212-868-5545 To subscribe, visit http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email ============================================ Dear friend of UFPJ: You may have already heard that a federal judge today denied the use of Central Park for a protest at the Republican Convention. This ruling concerns a different organization, seeking to hold a protest on a different day. United for Peace and Justice will have a hearing in state court tomorrow, Tuesday, August 24, seeking a court order to rally in Central Park on Sunday, August 29. The outcome of today's federal case has no direct bearing on our case in New York State Supreme Court. We expect a ruling in our case on Wednesday or Thursday, and remain optimistic that the judge in our case will recognize our right to hold a rally in Central Park. No matter what the judge rules, we already have an agreement with the City for a legal, peaceful march past Madison Square Garden, the site of the Republican Convention. If we win our court case, we will march to Central Park for an exuberant rally. If we lose in court, we will negotiate with the City for a safe, peaceful, and orderly closure of the day's events. (We will NOT go to the West Side Highway.) The Bush and Bloomberg Administrations are hoping that the uncertainty about our protest will keep people away . we know their efforts to squelch our protest make it all the more important that we have a massive turnout in the streets, to say NO to the Bush agenda of war, greed, hate and lies! Please forward this email to your friends, family and colleagues, and post it on any appropriate email lists. If you live in the New York City area, please join us at the hearing before the New York Supreme Court tomorrow, Tuesday, Aug. 24 at 9:00 am at 60 Centre Street. The judge has moved the hearing to a larger room, to allow more people to attend; we will also hold a peaceful picket outside the courthouse. ============================================ AUGUST 29, THE WORLD SAYS NO TO THE BUSH AGENDA! Massive Protest at the Republican National Convention, New York City * Assemble at 10:00AM, Seventh Avenue @ 14th Street * March steps off at noon ============================================ Visit the RNC mobilizing section of our website for resources and to endorse the August 29 demonstration: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/rnc ============================================ We need your financial support to make the August 29 protest a success: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/donate ============================================ To receive email updates on the August 29 RNC protest, visit: http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email ============================================ ACTION ALERT * UNITED FOR PEACE AND JUSTICE http://www.unitedforpeace.org | 212-868-5545 To subscribe, visit http://www.unitedforpeace.org/email ============================================ _______________________________________________ noRNC mailing list noRNC@mediajumpstart.net https://secure.mediajumpstart.net/mailman/listinfo/nornc For more information about the RNC, check http://www.rncnotwelcome.org | http://www.rncwatch.org | http://www.counterconvention.org To unsubscribe from this list write to: noRNC-unsubscribe@mediajumpstart.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:26:59 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: LITTLE PALM POEM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I love this one... It reminded me of your defiance concerning mirrors... and inspired me something that has nothing to do... > of the dubbed > i'm followed by my doubt = trip > of the dj shadow > of the dj shadow's dj shadow > of the dubbed doubt's dj shadow > of the dj shadow of the trip > of the dj shadow's dubbed doubt > of the trips > of the dj trip's shadow > of the three dj shadow's trips > of the trip of the dj shadow > IN THIS WORD WITHOUT SIN > > _ > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:15:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Dodie Bellamy's Prose Workshop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This fall I will be leading a prose workshop, which will meet 11 Tuesday evenings in my South of Market apartment from 7 to 10. The dates: September 21 through December 30. By prose I mean fiction, nonfiction, prose poetry, cross-genre (and cross-gender) writing including (but not exclusively) anything edgy or experimental. It's a good place to present work that feels too risky or sexy or queer for academic workshops. The workshops are totally open-ended. Five people present a week, scheduling that the week ahead. Usually people bring in something 5 pages or less (copies for everybody) and we critique it that week. Longer pieces are also okay, but they need to be handed out a week ahead of time for people to read. Each student typically gets a half an hour each time we critique. The classes are limited to 9 students. Lots and lots of personal attention. They take place in my South of Market apartment, which comes complete with snacks and one cat. My latest book, Pink Steam, a collection of fiction, memoir, and memoiresque essays, was published in June by San Francisco's Suspect Thoughts Press. My vampire novel, The Letters of Mina Harker will be reprinted by University of Wisconsin Press in October. I'm the author of 3 other books and I teach creative writing at SF State and in the MFA program at Antioch Los Angeles. I've also taught at CalArts, Naropa summer session, Mills, USF, UC Santa Cruz, and the SF Art Institute. I'm the winner of the Bay Guardian Goldie Award for Literature and the Firecracker Alternative Book Award for Poetry. If you're interested, please email about cost, work samples, etc. Or--if you know anybody who might be interested, please pass this email along to them. Past classes have filled up quickly, so if you're interested do contact me promptly. Thanks. Dodie ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:25:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Agit Prop at the Convention?? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I am curious about agit-prop ideas for the Republican Convention - both kind and "demonic". The one's I have heard of so far include: 1. (Kind) Putting blue tarps across the roofs of Manhattan and the Burroughs. Republicans - as they fly in on private or public aircraft - will be put on notice that they are entering a "Blue" state. 2. (Demonic) Suitcases: Anarchists are allegedly planning to leave empty suitcases on Subway platforms. Thereby forcing the Authorities to close down the System to check the suitcases for explosive devices. Apparently the inside of the cases will bear the message, "Return to John Ashcroft." I suspect many more ideas are floating around. I would love to hear them - unless timing and revelation requires staying strategically mute. Best bet might be - particularly if the Iraq soccer team wins a "gold" - to get its members to march at the forefront and speak at any and all demonstrations against George Bush's nomination and this country's deadly occupation of Iraq (as they already have in Sports Illustrated). Under the radar of the Swift Boats, the Pentagon's pending attack on the Najaf Shrine of Imam Ali seems to further the destiny of more Middle East conflagration, let alone 'terrorist' revenge in this country & elsewhere. Thank's George, Donny R, Wolfie, etc. - Crusaders, all, a 'good job'. One can only cynically suspect that a businessman down in Texas is - as quickly as possible - preparing a toy-line of Swift Boats to be 'launched' in time for the Christmas market. Kerry's boat will not be featured. 'Swiftly', keep getting out the vote and putting whatever possible money into getting these guys out. Stephen V Blog: http://stephenvincent.durationpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:18:19 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pompadour-and-Guitar_Bloc_Celebrates_Johnny__Cas?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?h=92s_Legacy_at_the_RNC!?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Stephen et al. Here is another funtastic piece of creative activism. I am especially interested in this too. I organized a poety reading at the large anti-ftaa demos in Quebec City in 2001 called the Free Verse Area of the Americas. The fellow who actually booked the venue got shot in the leg with a tear gas canister (they fired the equivalent of a canister a minute for 72 hours) so I didn't even meet him until the day after in a Green chill-out zone. My favorite for the RNC has to be the guy with the satellite hook-up onhis bike where you can beam him antibush e-mails that will activate a nozzle that will paint -in ecofriendly chalk- the pavemnet. The bike then takes a digisnap of said new graffito and mounts in on a web site. fucking brilliant. or the crowd that launched a banner IN central station last wednesday with many little helium balloons. NO. War. Bush Lies. I believe it said. Commuters reportedly applauded. I've signed up for a NoRNC list to get ideas for actions here. The have even posted job ads for catering staff for convention functions. two can play at the agent provocateur game. if i had the coin i'd take my mask and goggles down off the wall and head for the big apple. pax kevin Pompadour-and-Guitar Bloc Celebrates Johnny Cash’s Legacy at the RNC! By Kirsten Anderberg (www.kirstenanderberg.com) Erin Siegal, aka Rine, was listening to Johnny Cash while checking her email a while ago, when she read a post from RNCnotwelcome.org about an event planned to take place during the Republican National Convention (RNC) being held in New York City at the end of August. The event, being held for RNC delegates, is to take place at Southeby’s, and will be in honor of Johnny Cash. The event is sponsored by the American Gas Association (http://www.aga.org), a multinational corporation whose membership includes gas companies in Brazil, Korea, and France, among others. Erin says, “It made me really sad…When it was announced that Johnny Cash’s name would be tied to the 2004 RNC, my blood boiled. It was just too offensive, too outrageous…Johnny Cash is a people’s hero.” So, acting like any reasonable activist would, she organized a Man-And-Woman-In-Black Bloc ()http://www.defendjohnycash.org) , to protest outside the Southeby’s event on August 31 at 4 pm, to defend Johnny’s good name. Erin said when she talked to people initially about the Man-In-Black Bloc idea, she got a very positive response. I asked if this was a grassroots movement (tongue and cheek), and Erin responded it was a “concrete-cement movement.” “I hesitate to even call this a grassroots protest - there isn’t a whole lot of grass in NYC and Brooklyn…It stems from the concrete resistance we hold in our hearts to the defamation of the memory of Johnny Cash. We’re passionate. We won’t let the G.O.P get away with this. From the cement of the sidewalk up, we’re painting and talking and doing everything we can to let people know about this. The city is with us; we just have an enormous responsibility to let everyone know.” “Rising up to defend the honor of Johnny Cash,” people are asked to show up to peacefully protest out front of Southeby’s, wearing black clothing and pompadours, with real or cardboard guitars, hair grease, jailstripes, Johnny posters and records, and posters of your favorite of Johnny’s lyrics printed as big as possible. I asked how they were organizing this protest, and she said they were putting up flyers, passing the word along via word of mouth, contacting unions and Johnny Cash fan websites, sending out press releases to media, etc. They need help flyering now, they printed up 4,000 fliers. If you can help put up flyers, contact maninblack@riseup.net. Their poster says, ““NO CASH FOR THE RICH. Johnny, we won’t let the greedy war-hungry Republicans exploit your memory by throwing a party affiliated with your good name.” Their platform is clear: “Johnny Cash spoke for the poor and under-represented. The Republicans speak for the rich. Johnny Cash advanced for prison reform. The Republicans lock us up. Johnny Cash sang for our miners, farmers, and workers. Republican economics crush the working class. The RNC has no right to tarnish the memory of Johnny Cash. We will rise up to defend the honor of an American hero.” The promo for the Pompadour-And-Guitar Bloc goes on, “The songs of Johnny Cash were beacons of light for those who were unjustly locked up, kicked down, and knocked around. He sang for the poor, the imprisoned, and the oppressed. He sang from his heart. How dare the Republicans think of using the memory of a true people's hero to promote their greedy causes and war-criminal president? Would Johnny support the president’s economic policies? NO! Would Johnny support the Iraq war? NO! Would Johnny support the draconian Rockefeller drug laws? HELL NO!” Their poster and website display the classic Johnny Cash giving the finger picture. And I think the Man-and-Woman-In-Black bloc would do that finger some justice. “I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down, Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town, I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime, But is there because he's a victim of the times... Well, we're doin' mighty fine, I do suppose, In our streak of lightnin' cars and fancy clothes, But just so we're reminded of the ones who are held back,Up front there ought 'a be a Man In Black… I wear it for the sick and lonely old, For the reckless ones whose bad trip left them cold, I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been, Each week we lose a hundred fine young men…” - Johnny Cash Erin said her cousin just got home from being stationed in the Middle East on military duty. And she found Johnny’s lyrics about the Vietnam War to be as relevant now, as they were when Cash wrote them. Cash sings: “I wear the black in mournin' for the lives that could have been, each week we lose a hundred fine young men, And, I wear it for the thousands who have died, believen' that the Lord was on their side, I wear it for another hundred thousand who have died, believen' that we all were on their side.” – Johnny Cash Can we expect to see bands of roving Pompadour-And-Guitar Blocs at more protests in the future, such as anti-war and free trade protests? I sure hope so. We need more of that. We need to see Men-And-Women-In-Black Blocs showing up at all protests, something like the Radical Cheerleaders and Infernal Noise Brigade. Not only is it fun for the participants, as well as the media, and observers, it is also pertinent and very serious in nature, really. Johnny Cash had a really serious political message. He understood poverty. He understood prison. He understood the working people. He is a good beacon for protest activity. And he also was really funny. Which is why this bloc has so much potential. Because Johnny Cash, himself, was so funny, intense, political, and honest. The bloc has endless material to work with. Well, there's things that never will be right I know, And things need changin' everywhere you go, But 'til we start to make a move to make a few things right,You'll never see me wear a suit of white. Ah, I'd love to wear a rainbow every day, And tell the world that everything's OK, But I'll try to carry off a little darkness on my back, 'Till things are brighter, I'm the Man In Black. -Johnny Cash (Editor’s note: Southeby’s is located at 1334 York Avenue, NY, NY. It is located one block east of 1st Avenue at 71st street. To take the subway, take 6 train to 68th St. and walk north 3 blocks, and then east to York Ave.) Source: http://www.kirstenanderberg.com Link: http://www.meninblack.org http://defendjohnnycash.org/ -- Useful noRNC websites: http://www.rncnotwelcome.org http://www.counterconvention.org http://www.stillwerise.org http://www.a31.org http://rncwatch.typepad.com http://rncguide.com http://www.lifeaftercapitalism.org http://www.nlgnyc.org/RNC.html http://www.norncposters.org http://nycplc.mahost.org http://www.times-up.org/rnc_2004.php http://nyc.indymedia.org http://www.campshutdown.com No RNC Announcement Listserve: http://www.mediajumpstart.org/mailman/listinfo/nornc No RNC Discussion Listserve http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/nornc-discuss Donate to us: http://tinyurl.com/hcfo PGP key: http://www.rncnotwelcome.org/pgpkey.html Our voice mail is 212-696-6450 _______________________________________________ noRNC mailing list noRNC@mediajumpstart.net https://secure.mediajumpstart.net/mailman/listinfo/nornc For more information about the RNC, check http://www.rncnotwelcome.org | http://www.rncwatch.org | http://www.counterconvention.org To unsubscribe from this list write to: noRNC-unsubscribe@mediajumpstart.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:39:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nathaniel Siegel Subject: poets for PEACE NYC Aug 29th MARCH for peace justice and human rights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Sunday August 29th "poets for PEACE" will assemble in front of St. Mark's Church in The Bowery 131 East 10th Street NYC at 10:00AM. We will proceed from there to the MARCH and RALLY for peace justice and human rights. We will carry banner's that read "poets for PEACE" "freedom of speech, right of the people to peaceably assemble" "a depiction of Picasso's Guernica" "an image of Ghandi" and "SAVE THE WORLD FOR POETRY". We will read poems, distribute poems, and handouts along the parade route ! Please forward this message as appropriate ! thank you Nathaniel A. Siegel "poets for PEACE" "poets against the war" "POETRY IS NEWS" email nathanielsiegel@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:16:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: RNC Actions: Artists Against the War In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit My friend, the artist Joyce Kozloff reminds me: Artists Against the War is distributing 25,000 glorious banners and 35,000 sensational posters, tabling all over NY, online and through United for Peace and Justice and its 800 affiliated groups. You can see them at www://parkerstudio.com/AAW/posters.html or on our website, http://www.aawnyc.org You can order them from www.unitedforpeacec.org Thank you, Joyce ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:02:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: opening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed opening 'one good turn deserves another' one good tern deserves another - mating season onw rude tern deserves another - clubs and coefficients one rude tern preserves another - safety in agro one rude tern preserves an otter - fabliaux some rude tern preserves an otter - i heard it here 'a rolling stone gathers no moss' __ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:43:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: just a reminder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit steve dalachinsky reads at housing works 126 crosby st (houston and prince) nyc aug 27 @ 7 pm w/ lukas ligeti & john voight free event budget 19 ( for d.r.l. - spontaneous blues ) turn the (b) ridge gone soft on coneside the highway made flat real the mist of our histories mingles us he says peter the wise the patient it is good we have been true to what we were the changes tho, show around his eyes beneath his neck it is all blue even in the darkness blue the skyshape the giant smallness of the stars the country night in a country of nights you can swing that thing before my eyes you can tell me more contageous lies but i'll not let myself be hypnotized for the will to find me is too strong the will to be me is too strong but who am i among the mist who am i among the stars who am i among these friends? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:32:26 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: DNA Implicates Rumsfeld Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Knowledge Of Abu Graib Sex Romps Went "Higher than God" As DNA Implicates Rumsfeld: Abu Ghraib Report Faults Top Officials---Not Enough Dope, Liquor, Toys At Sex 'Interrogations': Teenaged Detainees Forced To Give Military Brass Lap Dances: Wolfowitz Reaffirms "Iraq war was not for the Oil. It was for the Fuck Munch." "We Don't Want Americans To Think Of Murder As Something Uncomfortable, Like Sex," Counsels Bill O'Reilly By ROBBIE BARRONS They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 13:46:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: nn !nnozentz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed nn !nnozentz Mad Zve!nn Gunv!ghtr . . Johnn! Uh!zke! Trad!z!onl . . Dok MkKenna Duel!zt . . Bonn!e Oakle! 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Would that I were living in NYC and could attend. = Should be a good Read. :) Steve Tills www.theenk.blogspot.com http://www.therepublicofcalifornia.com/BSO/BS2.html http://therepublicofcalifornia.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 16:36:59 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harrison Jeff Subject: The Owl Does Not Praise The Light Nor The Wolf The Dog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed owlish dotard scrupulous in winding-sheet taken tonight slaves paper to the blade - "Yet I'm unknown to the dust-taste..." - as music's tasteless? this is the slave who unearthed the sea, an open-mouthed lyre picking autographs apart for the letters w s k m r o _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:08:12 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Poetry in Iraq MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/features/story/0,11710,1290184,00.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:41:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: 10 People Needed!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline To serve as audience for Poets Mairéad Byrne & Andrea Werblin At convenient Harvard Square location: Wordsworth Books Thurs 9/2 7pm No experience necessary! Perks! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:54:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody have a current email address for Jen Hofer? Backchannel please. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 22:05:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks to everyone who sent me Jen's email. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:18:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Origin of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Origin of Poetry First the owner George Steinbrenner (sp) came to mind. I couldn't remember the name of the manager. I tried and tried and thought, if I didn't want to remember it, I would. Over and over again, and then a rhythm came to my mind. It was dah dah di, dah dah di. I knew it was connected with the name. Joe Torre (sp) or Torres (sp), that was the name I was thinking of. But first, it was the incantation, dah dah di, that rhythm. The rhythm appeared before the name, incantatory. I thought this is similar to the condition of pausological constructs. For example, "This is what I wanted to do, but {pause} ...". The pause is _after_ the conjunction. The structure is _already_ fulfilled. It's the same with incantation, the structure is there. (The structure which is _always_ there beforehand.) Or rhyme, the structure is there. Alliteration. But the incantatory preceded the name, the name a singularity. Connected with the choratic rhythm of the body. Disconnected momentarily with the name. Establishing the rhythm of the name. Establishing the name as a placeholder of the name. A placeholder of the name that was generated by the name. Or generated by the sound or the rigid designator of structure. Rigid designator of structure and placeholder intertwined. The intermeshing of primordial impulse. Primordial in the sense of gesture and incantatory gesture. Incantation is gesture, gesture incantation. Every word tends towards others of its kind. Poetry of incantation, weight of language, predecessor of name. The _moment_ of the name in incantation. The _call_ of Joe Torre (sp) in the primordial rhythm of the name. The _sounding_ of Joe Torre and the world. __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:08:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: just a reminder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit one dayy one dayyy eon yad neo ady ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 03:14:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Origin of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit now that's sayin sumpin origin of pottery immeasure able to a tit for a ratttatttatttat you flowin in da mainjamb like a holler whooppin dencome down erpin da pickler terminal teeth in da sonnet's eyes asleepless gaza gauze for instance what ever happ too dat feller apein essence agoner agonger agange da beterr the letter delivered da sooner seeds insected supported fever vigilance tongue voluminous moon why axer ya know what she'll say seeds insected > blood wasted blinding hybernate slavish coachman tough surface pretty tough surface torrid hybrid thirsty upside down eager hole in faces gotham flight of void inside a shell a fueled loss vertical shame inflamed dirt city terminal teeth rent grace a t(r)uthache why bother drillem pull em eat french pulse single digit dig it sq. rose up dohshroud eat the payment slip mumbles to beself speck < bread > bred slip grapes mumble myself the thirsty struggle severed hands blind above the holes of gotham oh to be in marty's shoes a vertical shame's a shame's noless he twerent ashamed ta say. we need something better than this to keep our liquids in. & the mosh rose up ta pollen ate............... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:18:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: A symbolic gesture for the times Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed For Saint Thomas Merton the Teacher The secret of Revelations can only be understood through the context of the book within which it is given & passed down through the ages. Its wisdom provokes fear in the most blessed of people, but when weighed against the entire book it becomes apparently clear & possibly understood that the bible is as much a book of wisdom as it is a series of contradictions designed first with the Council of Nicea, to educate the ages. Education in the spiritual context is not meant to frighten our children into the submission of God, rather it is meant to keep them on the path of faith through the fear of eternal damnation. In this sense, no part or piece of the Bible is meant to destroy or build anything but the institution that it builds (even the most hierarchical of systems). Instead, through patience & prayer, the church finds illumination in the gospels & the collective truth of the bible. From that point it then spreads “the good news” to its followers who in turn are told to give that love (that divine love often called agape) to its followers. Behind the closed mouth of the clergy could be 1,000 secrets that would shake any scholar who did not enter into its vaults without the proper faith. The proper faith is always the faith of childhood, the faith in mother & father & most importantly family. I would define true wisdom as the ability to see that within this context all war begins & all wars may often find there ending. If we are to consider that Revelations is a metaphorical call to arms, then that call to arms could have significance that would shake the world to its foundations & which could in & of itself trigger an end to humanity. In our current global situation, the primary threat to humanity is chain of events that could participate in a nuclear holocaust. The wisdom of Revelations tells us that the end of humanity will bare the sign of “biblical fire.” Often one cannot distinguish how ancient knowledge would be important & necessary for all ages. In this sense, the prophesy of biblical fire could very well mean the destructive possibility of three things. The first could be the destruction of faith itself, the second could be the destruction of the environment, & the third could be the destruction of the sacred. All of these events would not necessarily happen in a vacuum (so to speak) they would happen through the normal facets of human activity. Mass communication, the contest between perspective world religions, & the devaluation of life itself have led to a unique moment in history. Children find themselves facing a world of unbearable violence in which the decision of a true & lasting “holy war” could lead them to a state of continuous warfare. Wade in my imagination for a bit… Currently the most unstable country in the world is in fact Pakistan. This country had at one point a lasting western style democracy & has since fallen into the hands of a military dictatorship. Furthermore, its leader finds himself in the most precarious of situations. He is home to the most infamous man in the world, Osama Bin Laden, & is also the prime target of the Al-Queda Network. If the infamous man is not found & publicly destroyed as a “blasphemer” then his “call to arms” the ancient word “Jihad” will continue to serve as the Christian equivalent of Revelations. If he is killed merely for show, then his call to arms could actually lead to the war anyways. Either way, that man’s call is in fact an act of his perspective faith. Some would have us believe these sorts of conflicts may be purely the result of polluted politics. Unfortunately, as Revelations explains, holy wars evolve more sophisticated than one person could ever understand. Polar opposites could unite in a call for destruction, only to find themselves demonized, ostracized, & finally killed purely for following the path to a temporary destruction. Let me explain briefly my perspective on Government. Government serves the people, however, the people may not always be served by the government. In a secular society, especially a non-tolerant society such as the United States, in an attempt to create short term success (in Iraq as it is in the world), governments could become so blind to the realities of religious figures that a collective plea to stop might not warrant a moment of wisdom or enlightenment. In this context, war opens the way to the desecration of holy sites (which are after all, only symbols of the ties between humanity & faith). Innocents could be forced to bare the weight of deep & lasting scares that have no significance on their daily life, but which could bare repercussions for generations to come. One man’s temple might be defended with Nuclear weapons, while another man leaves his temple unlocked at all times. Opposites have a tendency to unite in the common faith of all life & that is life above all other facets. If the United States does not learn a deep & lasting tolerance, then it could be Babylon (not Iraq). Thank you for your time, Ian VanHeusen PS. Long live the intifida! Free tibet Free palestine but most importantly free yourself _________________________________________________________________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 04:20:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Origin of Poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Brilliant my friend >From: Alan Sondheim >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Origin of Poetry >Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 01:18:07 -0400 > >Origin of Poetry > >First the owner George Steinbrenner (sp) came to mind. >I couldn't remember the name of the manager. >I tried and tried and thought, if I didn't want to remember it, I would. >Over and over again, and then a rhythm came to my mind. >It was dah dah di, dah dah di. >I knew it was connected with the name. >Joe Torre (sp) or Torres (sp), that was the name I was thinking of. >But first, it was the incantation, dah dah di, that rhythm. >The rhythm appeared before the name, incantatory. >I thought this is similar to the condition of pausological constructs. >For example, "This is what I wanted to do, but {pause} ...". >The pause is _after_ the conjunction. >The structure is _already_ fulfilled. >It's the same with incantation, the structure is there. >(The structure which is _always_ there beforehand.) >Or rhyme, the structure is there. Alliteration. >But the incantatory preceded the name, the name a singularity. >Connected with the choratic rhythm of the body. >Disconnected momentarily with the name. >Establishing the rhythm of the name. >Establishing the name as a placeholder of the name. >A placeholder of the name that was generated by the name. >Or generated by the sound or the rigid designator of structure. >Rigid designator of structure and placeholder intertwined. >The intermeshing of primordial impulse. >Primordial in the sense of gesture and incantatory gesture. >Incantation is gesture, gesture incantation. >Every word tends towards others of its kind. >Poetry of incantation, weight of language, predecessor of name. >The _moment_ of the name in incantation. >The _call_ of Joe Torre (sp) in the primordial rhythm of the name. >The _sounding_ of Joe Torre and the world. > >__ _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:51:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ken Rumble Subject: Desert City Poetry Series 2004 - 2005 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello all, I'm happy to announce the schedule for the 2004 - 2005 season of the Desert City Poetry Series. All readings are held at Internationalist Books, 405 W. Franklin St., Chapel Hill, North Carolina: www.internationalistbooks.org For more information about the Desert City: http://desertcity.blogspot.com The schedule: ****September 18, Saturday, 8pm: Joseph Donahue & James Brasfield ****October 23, Saturday, 8pm: Aaron McCollough & Tony Tost ****November 13, Saturday, 8pm: C. S. Giscombe & Jon Thompson ****January 15, 2005, Saturday, 8pm: Standard Schaefer & a mystery guest ****February 19, Saturday, 8pm: Cole Swenson & Chris Vitiello ****March 26, Saturday, 8pm: Kent Johnson & Patrick Herron ****March date to be announced: Jennifer Moxley & Andrea Selch ****April date to be announced: Lisa Jarnot & Lance Philips ****April date to be announced: Lee Ann Brown & Carl Martin Details coming soon...... best, Ken ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:43:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: I'm worth nothing... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm worth nothing... Item name: INDIVIDUALS: POST-MOVEMENT ART IN AMERICA 1977 Price: $8.00 Bids: 0 End date: Aug-28-04 12:06:47 PDT Distance: View item: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3743618797&ssPageName=AD ME:B:SS:US:1 __ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:14:59 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "subrosa@speakeasy.org" Subject: This Month @ SubText - Chris Mann & Zhang Er MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with reading= s by Chris Mann & Zhang Er at the Richard Hugo House on Wednesday, Septem= ber 1, 2004. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the eve= ning of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. ZHANG ER was born in Beijing, China, and moved to the United States in 19= 86. She writes in Chinese, then translates her poems into English with va= rious collaborators. Collections of her work in Chinese include Seen, Uns= een, published by QingHai Publishing House of China in 1999, and Water Wo= rds, published by New World Poetry Press in 2002. She has published numer= ous chapbooks in English including: Winter Garden (Goats and Compasses), = Verses on Bird (Jensen/Daniels), The Autumn of Gu Yao (Spuyten Duyvil), C= ross River, Pick Lotus (Belladonna Books), and Carved Water (Tinfish Pres= s). She teaches at Evergreen State College in Olympia. CHRIS MANN -- [short blurb]: Aussie genius/maniac "linguistic composer" C= hris Mann obliterates the line between words and music while riffing on P= lato. CHRIS MANN is an Australian composer (currently based in NYC) working in = Compositional Linguistics. Or, as he tells it: "Remember that day in seco= nd grade when they told you there was a difference between language and m= usic? Well, I was out that day." Mann's work is a dense rush of words - p= hilosophical musings, theoretical babble, Aussie vernacular - delivered a= t a superhuman velocity that transforms sentences into melodic lines, blu= rring the distinction between "reading" and "singing." You can't understa= nd a word he says, but it sounds great. Much like opera. Only much, much = faster. A founding member of the improvised music/word group Machine for Making S= ense, Mann's texts have been deconstructed, interpreted, and set by admir= ing artists such as Thomas Buckner, John Cage, David Dunn, Gary Hill, Ann= ea Lockwood, Larry Polansky, Robert Rauschenberg, and Karlheinz Stockhaus= en. His recordings have been released by Lovely Music, Frog Peak, Nonsequ= itur, and others. (NOTE: Chris Mann will also perform an "electronic" version of the same w= ork on Friday, September 3 at 8:00 PM, at Jack Straw Foundation. Mann wil= l perform using a live computer system that chops his speech into tiny ph= onemes and scatters them around the room via an 8-speaker array. He'll be= presenting "The Plato Songs.") "As 'law' was also the word for 'music,' Plato's The Laws was, like the l= ost sixth analect of Confucius, his text on music. And as The Laws was th= e out-of-town tryout for The Republic, it seems timely to pry into those = early models of conversation theory, the cybernetics of The Dialogues." The future Subtext 2004 schedule is: *October 6, 2004 Margareta Waterman (Portland) and Marion Kimes (Seattle)= *October 24, 2004 Critics as Performers #2: Marjorie Perloff & Charles Altieri (both Bay Area) at Henry Art Gallery *November 3, 2004 David Abel (Portland) and William Fox (LA) *December 1, 2004 Catriona Strang and Nancy Shaw (both Vancouver, BC) For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://www.spe= akeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:23:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: FW: This is worth reading by Hal Crowther In-Reply-To: <3FAACF9869235D4BAE69B91D65389DDF1B8DFC@adams.cnr.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable In case =AD in lieu of the fog of Sinking, Lying Boats =AD one needs to be reminded of the Iraq/Bush & Company absolute disaster in detail, this is good, informed acerbic reading: WITH TREMBLING FINGERS By Hal Crowther=20 (Hal Crowther is a former writer for Time and Newsweek, the Buffalo News, and the North Carolina Spectator before parking his column at the weekly Independent in Durham, N.C., and The Progressive Populist, among others. In 2002 he was a finalist for the National Magazine Award in Commentary. He wo= n the H.L. Mencken Award for column writing in 1992.) I used to take a drink on occasion with a network newsman famed for his impenetrable calm -- his apparent pulse rate that of a large mammal in deep hibernation -- and in an avuncular moment he advised me that I'd do all right, in the long run, if I could only avoid the kind of journalism committed to the keyboard "with trembling fingers." I recognized the wisdom of this advice and endeavored over the years to write as little as possible when my blood pressure was soaring and my face was streaked with tears. The lava flows of indignation ebb predictably with age and hardening arteries, and nearing threescore I thought I'd never have to take another tranquilize= r -- or a double bourbon -- to keep my fingers steady on the keys. I never imagined 2004. It would be sophomoric to say that there was never a worse year to be an American. My own memory preserves the dread summer of 1968. My parents suffered the consequences of 1941 and 1929, and my grandfather Jack Allen, who lived through all those dark years, might have added 1918, with the flu epidemic and the Great War in France that each failed, very narrowly, to kill him. Drop back another generation or two and we encounter 1861.=20 But if this is not the worst year yet to be an American, it's the worst yea= r by far to be one of those hag-ridden wretches who comment on the American scene. The columnist who trades in snide one-liners flounders like a stupid comic with a tired audience; TV comedians and talk-show hosts who try to treat 2004 like any zany election year have become grotesque, almost loathsome. Our most serious, responsible newspaper columnists are so stunne= d by the disaster in Iraq that they've begun to quote poetry by Rupert Brooke and Wilfred Owen. They lower their voices; they sound like Army chaplains delivering eulogies over ranks of flag-draped coffins, under a hard rain from an iron sky.=20 Yeats' "blood-dimmed tide is loosed." The war news has already deteriorated from bad to tragic to pre-apocalyptic, which leaves no suitable category fo= r these excruciating reports on the sexual torture of Iraqi prisoners. Fingers, be still. In less than a year, the morale of the occupying forces has sunk so low that murder, suicide, rape and sexual harassment have becom= e alarming statistics, and now the warriors of democracy -- the emissaries of civilization -- stand accused of every crime this side of cannibalism. Osama bin Laden has always anathematized America's culture, as well as its geopolitical influence. To him these atrocities are a sign of Allah's certain favor, a great moral victory, a vindication of his deepest anger an= d darkest crimes.=20 Where does it go from here? The nightmare misadventure in Iraq is over, beyond the reach of any reasonable argument, though many more body bags wil= l be filled. In Washington, chicken hawks will still be squawking about "digging in" and winning, but Vietnam proved conclusively that no modern wa= r of occupation will ever be won. (Vietnam clip) Every occupation is doomed. The only way you "win" a war of occupation is the old-fashioned way, the wa= y Rome finally defeated the Carthaginians: kill all the fighters, enslave everyone else, raze the cities and sow the fields with salt. Otherwise the occupied people will fight you to the last peasant, and why shouldn't they? If our presidential election fails to dislodge the crazy bastards who annexed Baghdad, many of us in this country would welcome regime change by any intervention, human or divine. But if, say, the Chines= e came in to rescue us -- Operation American Freedom -- how long would any of us, left-wing or right, put up with an occupying army teaching us Chinese-style democracy? A guerrilla who opposes an invading army on his ow= n soil is not a terrorist, he's a resistance fighter. In Iraq we're not fighting enemies but making enemies. As Richard Clarke and others have observed, every dollar, bullet and American life that we spend in Iraq is one that's not being spent in the war on terrorism. Every Iraqi, every Muslim we kill or torture or humiliate is a precious shot of adrenaline for Osama and al Qaeda. The irreducible truth is that the invasion of Iraq was the worst blunder, the most staggering miscarriage of judgment, the most fateful, egregious, deceitful abuse of power in the history of American foreign policy. If you don't believe it yet, just keep watching. Apologists strain to dismiss parallels with Vietnam, but the similarities are stunning. In every action our soldiers kill innocent civilians, and in every other action apparent innocents kill our soldiers -- and there's never any way to sort them out. And now these acts of subhuman sadism, these little My Lais. Since the defining moment of the Bush presidency, the preposterous flight-suit, Fox News-produced photo-op on the USS Abraham Lincoln in front of the banner that read "Mission Accomplished," the shaming truth is that everything has gone wrong. Just as it was bound to go wrong, as many of us predicted it would go wrong -- if anything, more hopelessly wrong than any of us would have dared to prophesy. Iraq is an epic train wreck, and there'= s not a single American citizen who's going to walk away unscathed. The shame of this truth, of such a failure and so much deceit exposed, would have brought on mass resignations or votes of no confidence in any free country in the world. In Japan not long ago, there would have been ritual suicides, shamed officials disemboweling themselves with samurai swords. Yet up to this point -- at least to the point where we see grinning soldiers taking pictures of each other over piles of naked Iraqis -- neither the president, the vice president nor any of the individuals who urged and designed this debacle have resigned or been terminated -- or even apologized. They have betrayed no familiarity with the concept of shame. Thousands of young Americans are dead, maimed or mutilated, billions of dollars have been wasted and all we've gained is a billion new enemies and = a mouthful of dust -- of sand. Chaos reigns, but in the midst of it we have this presidential election. George Bush has defined himself as a war president, and it's fitting that the war should be his undoing. But even no= w the damned polls don't guarantee, or even indicate, his demise. Conventiona= l wisdom says that an incumbent president with a $200 million war chest canno= t be defeated, and that one who commands a live, bleeding, suffering army in the field is doubly invincible. By this logic, the most destructively incompetent president since Andrew Johnson will be rewarded with a second term. That would probably mean a military draft and more wars in the oil countries, and, under visionaries like Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz, a chance for the USA to emulate 19th-century Paraguay, which simultaneously declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and fought ferociously until 90% of the male population was dead. What hope then? Impeachment is impossible when the president's party controls both houses of Congress, though Watergate conspirator John Dean, who ought to know, claims in his new book that there are compelling legal arguments for a half dozen bills of impeachment against George W. Bush. Pee= r pressure? At the White House, world opinion gets no more respect than FBI memos or uncomfortable facts. Many Americans seem unaware that scarcely anyone on the planet Earth supported the Iraq adventure, no one anywhere except the 40-50 million Republican loyalists who voted for George Bush in 2000.=20 Among significant world leaders he recruited only Great Britain's Tony Blai= r -- whose career may be ruined because most Britons disagree with him -- and the abominable Ariel Sharon, that vile tub of blood and corruption who recently used air-to-ground missiles to assassinate a paraplegic in a wheelchair at the door of his mosque. (Palestinians quickly squandered any sympathy or moral advantage they gained from this atrocity by strapping a retarded 16-year-old into a suicide bomber's kit. Such is the condition of the human race in the Middle East, variously known as the Holy Land or the Cradle of Civilization.) Says Sharon, oleaginously, of Bush: "Something in his soul committed him to act with great courage against world terror." The rest of the known world, along with the United Nations, has been dead set against us from the start. But they carry no weight. Thanks to our tax dollars and the well-fed, strong but not bulletproof bodies of our children -- though mostly children from lower-income families -- George Bush and his lethal team of oil pirates, Cold Warriors and Likudists commands the most formidable military machine on earth. No nation, with the possible exceptio= n of China, would ever dare to oppose them directly. But the Chinese aren't coming to save us. Nothing and no one can stop these people except you and me, and the other 100 million or so American citizens who may vote in the November election. This isn't your conventional election, the usual dim-witted, media-managed Mister America contest where candidates vie for charm and style points and hire image coaches to help them act more confident and presidential. This is a referendum on what is arguably the most dismal performance by any incumbent president -- and inarguably the biggest mistake. This is a referendum on George W. Bush, arguably the worst thing that has happened to the United States of America since the invention of the cathode ray tube. One problem with this referendum is that the case against George Bush is much too strong. Just to spell it out is to sound like a bitter partisan. I sit here on the 67th birthday of Saddam Hussein facing a haystack of incriminating evidence that comes almost to my armpit. What matters most, what signifies? Journalists used to look for the smoking gun, but this time we have the cannons of Waterloo, we have Gettysburg and Sevastopol, we have enough gunsmoke to cause asthma in heaven. I'm overwhelmed. Maybe I should light a match to this mountain of paper and immolate myself. On the near side of my haystack, among hundreds of quotes circled and statistic sunderlined, just one thing leaped out at me. A quote I had underlined was from the testimony of Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials, not long before Hitler's vice-fuhrer poisoned himself in his jail cell: "... It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice o= r no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." Goering's dark wisdom gained weight when a friend called me and reported that Vice President Cheney was so violently partisan in his commencement speech at Westminster College in Missouri -- so rabid in his attacks on Joh= n Kerry as a anti-American peace-marching crypto-communist -- that the colleg= e president felt obliged to send the student body an email apologizing for Cheney's coarseness. If you think it's exceptionally shameless for a man who dodged Vietnam to play the patriot card against a decorated veteran, remember that Georgia Republicans played the same card, successfully, against Sen. Max Cleland, who suffered multiple amputations in Vietnam. In 2001 and 2002, George Bush and his Machiavelli, Karl Rove, approved political attack ads that showed the faces of Tom Daschle and other Democratic senators alongside the faces of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. And somewhere in hell, Goering and Goebbels toasted each other with a schnapps. Am I polarized? I've never been a registered Democrat, I'm sick of this two-party straitjacket, I wish to God it didn't take Yale and a major American fortune to create a presidential candidate. The only current Democratic leaders who show me any courage are Nancy Pelosi and old Bob Byr= d -- Hillary Clinton has been especially cagy and gutless on this war -- and John Kerry himself may leave a lot to be desired. He deserves your vote not because of anything he ever did or promises to do, but simply because he di= d not make this sick mess in Iraq and owes no allegiance to the sinister characters who designed it. And because his own "place in history," so important to the kind of men who run for president, would now rest entirely on his success in getting us out of it. Kerry made a courageous choice at least once in his life, when he came home with his ribbons and demonstrated against the war in Vietnam. But Sen. Kerr= y could turn out to be a stiff, a punk, an alcoholic, and he'd still be a colossal improvement over the man who turned Paul Wolfowitz loose in the Middle East. The myth that there was no real difference between Democrats and Republicans, which I once considered seriously and which Ralph Nader rode to national disaster four years ago, was shattered forever the day George Bush announced his cabinet and his appointments for the Department o= f Defense.=20 I'm aware that there are voters -- 40 million? -- who don't see it this way= . I come from a family of veterans and commissioned officers; I understand patriots in wartime. If a spotted hyena stepped out of Air Force One wearin= g a baby-blue necktie, most Americans would salute and sing "Hail to the Chief." President Bush cultivated his patriots by spending $46 million on media in the month of March alone. Somehow I'm on his mailing list. (Is tha= t because my late father, with the same name, was a registered Republican, or can Bush afford to mail his picture to every American with a= n established address?) Twice a week I open an appeal for cash to crush John Kerry and the quisling liberal conspiracy, and now I own six gorgeous color photographs of the president and his wife. I'm sure some of my neighbors frame the president's color photographs and fill those little blue envelope= s he sends us with their hard-earned dollars. I struggle against the suspicion that so many of my fellow Americans are conceptually challenged. I want to reason with my neighbors; I want to engage these lost Americans. What makes you angry, neighbor? What arouses your suspicions? Does it bother you that this administration made terrorism a low priority, dismissed key intelligence that might have prevented the 9/11 catastrophe, then exploited it to justify the preplanned destruction o= f Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with al Qaeda? All this is no longer conjecture, but direct reportage from cabinet-level meetings by the turncoa= t insiders Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neill. If the Pentagon ever thought Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction," it was only because the Pentagon gave them to him. As Kevin Phillips recounts in American Dynasty, officials of the Reagan and first Bush administrations eagerly supplied Saddam with arms while he was using chemical weapons on th= e Kurds. They twice sent Donald Rumsfeld to court Saddam, in 1983 and 1984, when the dictator was in the glorious prime of his monsterhood. This scandal, concurrent with Iran-Contra, was briefly called "Iraqgate," and, yes, among the names of those officials implicated you'll find most of the engineers of our current foreign policy. (They also signaled their fractious client, Saddam, that it might be all right to overrun part of Kuwait; you remember what happened when he tried to swallow it all.) Does any of this trouble you? Does it worry you that Dick Cheney, as president o= f the nefarious Halliburton Corporation, sold Iraq $73 million in oilfield services between 1997 and 2000, even as he plotted with the Wolfowitz faction to whack Saddam? Or that Halliburton, with its CEO's seat still war= m from Cheney's butt, was awarded unbid contracts worth up to $15 billion for the Iraq invasion, and currently earns a billion dollars a month from this bloody disaster? Not to mention its $27.4 billion overcharge for our soldiers' food.=20 These are facts, not partisan rhetoric. Do any of them even make you restless? The cynical game these shape-shifters have been playing in the Middle East is too Byzantine to unravel in 1,000 pages of text. But the hypocrisy of the White House is palpable, and beggars belief. If there's on= e American who actually believes that Operation Iraqi Freedom was about democracy for the poor Iraqis, then you, my friend, are too dangerously stupid to be allowed near a voting booth. Does it bother you even a little that the personal fortunes of all four Bus= h brothers, including the president and the governor, were acquired about a half step ahead of the district attorney, and that the royal family of Saud= i Arabia invested $1.476 billion in those and other Bush family enterprises? Or, as Paul Krugman points out, that it's much easier to establish links between the Bush and bin Laden families than any between the bin Ladens and Saddam Hussein. Do you know about Ahmad Chalabi, the administration's favorite Iraqi and current agent in Baghdad, whose personal fortune was established when he embezzled several hundred million from his own bank in Jordan and fled to London to avoid 22 years at hard labor? That's just a sampling from my haystack. Maybe I can reach you as an environmentalist, on= e who resents the gutting of key provisions in the Clean Air Act? My own Orange County, N.C., chiefly a rural area, was recently added to a national register of counties with dangerously polluted air. You say you vote for th= e president because you're a conservative. Are you sure? I thought conservatives believed in civil liberties, a weak federal executive, an inviolable Constitution, a balanced budget and an isolationist foreign policy. George Bush has an attorney general who drives the ACLU apoplectic and a vice president who demands more executive privilege (for his energy s=E9ances ) than any elected official has ever received. The president wants = a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage from homosexuals, of all things. Between tax cuts for his high-end supporters and three years playin= g God and Caesar in the Middle East, George Bush has simply emptied America's wallet with a $480 billion federal deficit projected for 2004 and the tab o= n Iraq well over $100 billion and running. "A lot of so-called conservatives today don't know what the word means," Barry Goldwater said in 1994, when the current cult of right-wing radicals and "neocons" had begun to define and assert themselves. Goldwater was my first political hero, before I was old enough to read his flaws. But his wa= s the conservatism of the wolf -- the lone wolf -- and this is the conservatism of sheep. All it takes to make a Bush conservative is a few slogans from talk radio and pickup truck bumpers, a sneer at "liberals" and maybe a name-dropping nod to Edmund Burke or John Locke, whom most of them have never read. Shee= p and sheep only could be herded by a ludicrous but not harmless cretin like Rush Limbaugh, who has just compared the sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners to "a college fraternity prank" (and who once called Chelsea Clinton "the family dog" -- you don't have to worry about shame when you have no brain).= . I don't think it's accurate to describe America as polarized between Democrats and Republicans, or between liberals and conservatives. It's polarized between the people who believe George Bush and the people who do not. Thanks to some contested ballots in a state governed by the president'= s brother, a once-proud country has been delivered into the hands of liars, thugs, bullies, fanatics and thieves. The world pities or despises us, even as it fears us. What this election will test is the power of money and medi= a to fool us, to obscure the truth and alter the obvious, to hide a great crime against the public trust under a blood-soaked flag. The most lavishly funded, most cynical, most sophisticated political campaign in human histor= y will be out trolling for fools. I pray to God it doesn't catch you. ------ End of Forwarded Message ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:08:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: This Month @ SubText - Chris Mann & Zhang Er In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Mann is an absolutely amazing performer, if you have any interest in sound/text, soundpoetry, & composition don't miss out on this. mIEKAL On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 11:14 AM, subrosa@speakeasy.org wrote: > Subtext continues its monthly series of experimental writing with > readings by Chris Mann & Zhang Er at the Richard Hugo House on > Wednesday, September 1, 2004. Donations for admission will be taken at > the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at > 7:30pm. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:50:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Dr. Barry S. Alpert" Subject: Re: I'm worth nothing . . . Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Alan, In Halifax NS they're asking $157.88 for your "Structure of Reality" and in Brewster NY a copy of "Individuals" is priced at $66.97. I've collected your publications for many years, and am rarely able to "scout" them in person. -- Barry Alpert _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 14:45:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: September Events Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone! The Poetry Project is back in business. See below for important and exciting announcements, and =B3stay tuned=B2 for more important announcements regarding Fall Workshops, regularly scheduled readings and special events. Hope you had a great summer. ***DEMO: A Demonstration in Words*** A poetry reading on the RNC, President Bush and the crisis in Iraq. WEDNESDAY, SEPT. 1, 2004 at 8pm The Poetry Project St. Mark's Church 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave FREE Featuring: Sonia Sanchez, Grace Paley, Carl Hancock Rux, Sapphire, Katha Pollitt, Mark Doty, Anne Waldman, Cornelius Eady, Vijay Seshadri, Hettie Jones, Hal Sirowitz, Bob Holman, Grace Schulman, Eileen Myles, Marie Ponsot, Robert Polito, John Yau, Rodrigo Toscano, Carol Mirakove, Greg Fuchs, Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Bruce Andrews, Kathy Engel, Zero Boy, Kristin Prevallet and John Coletti. Presented by: The Poetry Project, Rattapallax & Issue Project Room Sponsored by: The Poetry Project, Rattapallax, Issue Project Room, Bowery Poetry Club, National Youth and Peach Coalition, Asian American Writers Workshop, Booklyn, Bloom Magazine, Melville House Boosk, Unpleasant Event Schedule Reading Series, The Bronx Writers Center, Soft Skull Press, belladonna*, Spire Press, terra incognita magazine, Lungfull! Magazine, Small Press Center, American Book Review, Pete's Big Salmon Series, Reading= s Between A & B, Hanging Loose Press, Open City Magazine and Books & Poets Against the War.=20 ***People=B9s Opera presents The Workshop from =B3Hell=B2*** An Opera in one act Libretto by poet and former presidential candidate Eileen Myles Wednesday, Sept. 22 & 29 at 8 pm The Poetry Project at St. Mark=B9s Church Admission available at door, no reservations required $8, $7 students/seniors, $5 members FOR ALL PRESS INQUIRIES PLEASE CONTACT Miles Champion at 212 674 0910 mc@poetryproject.com The New York production is a benefit for the Poetry Project at St. Mark=B9s Church 2nd Ave & E 10 St. Libretto by Eileen Myles Score by composer and recording artist Michael Webster Directed by Simon Leung Sets by Beth Stephens Costumes by Milena Muzquiz Lead singers: Juliana Snapper, Kevin St. John, Scott Graff Loosely based on Dante=B9s Inferno, Hell is an opera about public speech, corporate silence, global politics and poetry. This production is making stops in Los Angeles and San Francisco, finally landing in Tijuana in Fall 2004 to take part in the public conversation about who rules America. See =B3Hell=B2 on Oct. 16th at the UCLA Hammer Oct. 21st at the Yerba Buena Center, SF Oct. 31st at CECUT in Tijuana ***Special Announcement: B. Mayer Workshops*** Bernadette Mayer will be teaching poetry workshops this summer & fall at her house in upstate New York. Workshops will be in small groups or one-on-one. The cost is $250 which includes the workshop as well as room & board.=20 Email psgood@hotmail.com to make arrangements or for more information. =20 * The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:06:54 -0400 Reply-To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "cartograffiti@mindspring.com" Subject: Short notice -- couches in New York? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,=20 Taylor Brady here=2E I'm coming to New York this weekend to=20 appear in some agit-prop theater and take part in other counter-=20 convention stuff, and at the last moment I've had my couch-surfing=20 plans disrupted by a family emergency on the part of the person I was=20 planning on staying with=2E=20 Any chance there's a poetics person or people in NYC who wouldn't=20 mind giving up a couch (or some floor space) for Friday, Saturday and=20 Sunday nights (or some part thereof -- once I'm in town I can=20 probably track others down and spread the intrusion around a bit)=2E=20 I'm clean, fairly unobstrusive, and plan to protest legally, so no=20 hassles with law enforcement beyond the general level of intimidation=2E=20= Undying gratitude and a reciprocal offer of a short-notice place to=20 crash in the Bay Area are yours for your b-c reply=2E=2E=2E=20 Taylor=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:28:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: San Francisco, the RNC, & August Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit It's curious - but repetitively normal - the way in which San Francisco, the experience of living goes so mute in August. Perhaps more than most North American and European Cities, San Francisco is taken way down by the fog. Though today is wonderfully blue and warm, the Twain cliche about "August in San Francisco being the coldest winter I ever spent" remains tangibly true. It is also tangibly true in the brown grasses that deaden the hills. It's a time in which -barring getting out of town - that flattens the psyche, eliminates the ego, taunts any aspiration; it's bottom of the ocean time. Keep breathing and wait for the September lift. Well that's it on one, personal level. The other level is national. There is a deep - I sense - deep collective apprehension of what will happen in New York next week, the site of the Republican convention. Tens or hundreds of thousands of demonstrators are on their way to cement a fluid and tenacious opposition to the Bush Administration. The Courts have denied Central Park as a place of public demonstration. It looks like a Republican Party set-up to create anarchy and mayhem that can be exploited. Fox and the other cable Networks cannot wait to show images of violence - Cop confrontations, shattered windows, etc. - as a demonstration of how peaceful and proper Republicans are "at heart and in principle". Equally pernicious is the Administration's attempt to cloak New York with the fear of another terrorist attack. The Public is left in the middle of anticipating a Collective cauldron that could backfire in the favor of this hopelessly inept, corrupt Administration. More than inept, an Administration that is an ideological disaster with nothing but destructive consequences both domestic and international. The details are obvious and deeply saddening. Yet, as one who cannot go to New York, one waits with this stultifying apprehension that Bush & Co. will wrench events into their electoral favor. Probably no proverbial light here in August, but definitely a storm. As WCW finished his preface to Howl "...we are going through Hell." I sense in my bones that's true ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:34:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Short notice -- couches in New York? Comments: To: cartograffiti@mindspring.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit love to help but i live in a cubbyhole good luck but contact me if you want i'm reading at 126 crosby st 7 pm housing works come by or call 1212 925-5256 steve ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:52:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lisa jarnot Subject: free sublet in new york city for cat lover Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Poetic Listers, I'm going to be out of town from the evening of September 7th (Tuesday) thru the morning of September 12th (Sunday). If anyone is planning to be in NYC or would like to plan a vacation, you can stay at my place (1 bedroom apartment with 2 cats in williamsburg brooklyn-- 15 minutes from the lower east side). Please let me know if you're interested-- Thanks, Lisa Jarnot 917-579-2891 jarnot@earthlink.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 12:37:19 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: official Republican national convention events list aug 28-september 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT this just in ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:57:50 -0400 (EDT) From: www.rncnotwelcome.org Reply-To: info@rncnotwelcome.org To: nornc@mediajumpstart.net Subject: [noRNC] official Republican national convention events list aug 28-september 3 First and foremost, big thanks to the many people who have taken the time to share this information with us. New Yorkers are the best. Thanks for listening, typing them up and sending them in. Here is the list of official, unpublished, Republican National Convention events. These events have been sent to us by many New Yorkers who are opposed to the Republican National Conmvention. They have sent us emails and called our voice mail with information about Republican events often expressing support for the protests and giving unpublished event information. This is a clear expression of the situation in NYC right now. 83% of New Yorkers are opposed to the RNC coming to our town. People have done what they can to support the resistance here and this accumulated information is indicative of that. Use this information as you see fit. We are not suggesting anything other than that you take action. Lets show the Republicans what we think of their convention. These parties which are essentially little fundraisers for local business elites are a great opportunity to express to the Republicans what you think of their agenda. thanks, rncnotwelcome.org Saturday August 28 9:00 PM Media Welcome Party, Time Warner Center Sunday August 29: 12:00 PM, Brunch Honoring Speaker Hastert, Tavern on the Green, Speaker Hastert 12-1 PM, Warrior Foundation Luncheon , Sen. McCain, Former. Sen. Fred Thompson 3 PM: Republican Main Street Partnership event with singer Faith Hill. 5PM Salute to Broadway-RNC delegates attend Broadway shows.More information from http://www.rncnotwelcome.org/broadway.html 7-10PM, CNN & Friend of "The Capital Gang" Reception, One Time Warner Center, Sallie Mae, CNN, Robert Novak, Mark Shields, Al Hunt, Margaret Carlson, & Kate O'Beirne 5PM, Pataki & RNC Welcome Party, Ellis Island, Gov. Pataki 5 PM RGA "Martinis in Manhattan" Reception at the New York Palace Hotel 455 Madison Ave. 5 PM: NRCC Salute to Tom Reynolds and Mike Rogers at the New York Yacht Club. 5 PM: NFIB First Tee Golf Event with John Boehner at the Metropolitan Pavilion. 5 PM: Kerr-McGee Reception with Don Nickles at the Mandarin Oriental. 6 PM: RSLC Opening Dinner at the Stone Rose. 6 PM NRSC Welcome Reception at the Intrepid. 6:30 PM: Arnold Schwarzenegger Parkison Benefit with Michael J. Fox at Sky Room. 7 PM: Americans for Tax Reform present the Hotline Comedy Show at Tishman Auditorium at the New School University. 7 PM: RNC Regents Rangers Event with a concert by Linda Eder at the Lincoln Center. 7 PM: CNN "Capital Gang" Reception at the Time Warner Center. 9 PM: Deloitte Sunday Night Fever event honor Vito Fossella featuring Gloria Gaynor at the Irving Ballroom. 10 PM: A Tribute To Southern Leadership at the Crobar. Noche- Delegates from Missouri. 300 people for a sit-down dinner. Monday August 30 8:30 AM: "Breakfast at Tiffany's" with Libby Pataki. Tiffany's Fifth Avenue and 57th Street. Fifth Avenue at 57th Street. 8:30 AM Trap-shoot tournament with select members of Congress and staff, co-sponsored by the Congressional Sportsman Federation in Westchester County, N.Y. 9:30 AM: Breakfast with CNN execs and anchors at the CNN Convention Diner (Tic Tock Diner). 11 AM: RAGA Brunch at Loft 11. 11:30 AM: NFIB Luncheon at the Museum of the City of NY. 11:30AM, JPMorgan Chase Women's Lunch, JPMC World Headquarters, 270 Park Ave., JPMorgan Chase, Republican Conference Chairwoman Deborah Pryce 12PM NRSC Luncheon at the Tavern on the Green. Noon: Warrior Foundation Luncheon honoring Rudy Giuliani at Cipriani. 1:30 - 3:30PM, W Stands For Women Briefing, Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, 4-8PM, Republican State Leadership Cmte Hospitality, Mustang Sally's, 324 7th Ave 4:30 PM: A New England Clambake honoring Mitt Romney featuring Joe Piscopo and his 17-piece band at the Flight Deck. 5 PM: RGA hosts a "New York Night at Noche" at Noche. 5 PM: Americans for Tax Reform event at the Yacht Club. 5:30 PM: NRSC Dinner with James Inhofe, Norm Coleman, and Orrin Hatch at Morton's. 5:30 PM: Creative Coalition Event with Joe Pantoliano, Tony Goldwyn, and Ron Reagan at Kenneth Cole. 5:30 PM Wildcatters’ Ball, honoring U.S. Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK). 5 - 8 PM, Grover Norquist & Americans for Tax Reform Reception, New York Yacht Club, 37 W. 44th St., American for Tax Reform 6 PM: ACE-O salutes the House Financial Services Cmte featuring Frank Sinatra Jr. at the Rainbow Room. 6 PM: Salute to Ed Gillespie at Gustavino's 7 PM: Real Estate Roundtable honoring George Allen at La Goulue 9 PM: Magnum Entertainment Party featuring ZZ Top and Kiss Nation at BB Kings. 10 PM: Best Little Warehouse in NYC "aka Boehner Party" at Tunnel. 10 PM: Susan G Komen Breast Cancer Foundation Event at Bergdorf Goodman. 10 PM: Rock the Apple Georgia Style salute to Saxby Chambliss featuring Martina McBride at the Roseland Ballroom. 10 PM: NASDAQ Desert Reception at the NASDAQ Marketsite. 10PM, Georgia Delegation Reception Benefit for Camp Sunshine, Roseland Ballroom, 293 W. 52nd St. 10PM - 2AM, Akin, Gump Event Honoring Ken Mehlman, Bryant Park Grill, 24 West 40th St., Akin Gump, Ken Mehlman 10PM-1AM: Post-convention party for New York and New Jersey delegations Cipriani's, 89 E 42nd St between Park Avenue and Vanderbilt Avenue 10PM - 1AM, Susan G Komen Breast Cancer Foundation Event, Bergdorf Goodman 10PM, NASDAQ Desert Reception, NASDAQ MarketSite, 4 Times Square, NASDAQ, Senate Banking Cmte. Chairman Richard Shelby and Cmte. 9:00-11:00PM The so-called "Young" Republicans hosts the following free event Tuscan Square Restaurant - 16 West 51st Street 11 PM: NY-NJ Delegation Event at Winged Foot. TBD, Breakfast Honoring Speaker Hastert, Righa Royal, KOMPAC, Speaker Hastert TBD, Republican Attorneys General Association Brunch, Loff 11, 336W.37th St., 11th Floor, RAGA, TBD, Brunch at Tavern on the Green Honoring NRSC, Sen. Allen TBD, Fannie Mae event , Day at the Spa, Republican Conference Chairwoman Deborah Pryce TBD, Majority Leader Tom Delay Golf Tournament, Beth Page Black Golf Course, Majority Leader Delay Tuesday August 31st 8:00 AM: Mitch McConnell Golf Event at Winged Foot. 9:30 AM: Financial Services Roundtable brunch honoring the NY Delegation and House Financial Services and Senate Banking committees at Tavern on the Green. 11 AM: RLCC Brunch at Remi 11:30 AM: Council on Foreign Relations Luncheon at the Harold Pratt House. 12-2PM, Governors, First Spouses, COS Luncheon, Central Park Boathouse, East Side [74th and 75th] RGA 12PM: Lincoln Diaz Ballart 50th B-day Luncheon at Cinquanta. 12PM: EIA-CEA Western Wireless luncheon honoring Chip Pickering at Sky Club. 12PM: JP Morgan Chase Women's Luncheon with Deborah Pyrce at the JPMC World Headquarters. 12 PM Luncheon honoring U.S. Sen. Craig Thomas (R-WY) and the Wyoming delegation. (*) 1 PM: RGA Golf Tournament at Bethpage Black. 3PM:Luncheon The St. Regis hotel, Two East 55th Street, at Fifth Avenue. Sponsored by: AstraZeneca 4:30 PM: Fleishman Hillard CA Delegation Event at the Lincoln Center. 4:00 P.M. Sotheby's Auction House, 1334 York Avenue the Republicans who will invade our city plan to have an exclusive "celebration" of Johnny Cash for Tennessee delegates inside the famous high-art auction / real estate investment house Sotheby's. 4:30 PM: Creative Coalition gives Amo Houghton the 2004 Congressional Spotlight Award featuring Joe Pantoliano, Tim Blake Nelson, Richard Kind, Giancarlo Esposito, Catherine Dent, Hallie Eisenberg, and John Paul DeJoria at Carolines. 4:30 PM: Hope Street Kids/Deborah Pryce/Harry Potter Event at the Time Warner Center 4-7PM, BIO Reception for Rep. Sue Kelly and Rep. Michael Ferguson, NASDAQ, 4 Times Square, BIO, NASDAQ, Genentech & Roche 4:30-7:30PM: New York delegation. Tavern on the Green, Central Park at West 67th Street Kodak 4-6 PM, Camp David Afloat, Mariner III, Chelsea Pier, American Success PAC, House Rules Committee Chairman David Dreier 5 PM: Judd Gregg Reception followed by Hairspray at Gallagher's Steak House. 5 PM: ABA honors Richard Shelby at Sotheby's. 5 PM: EEI honors Joe Barton at the Supper Club. 5-8 PM, EEI Event, The Supper Club, 240 W. 47th St., EEI, House Energy and Commerce Chairman Joe Barton 6 PM: Financial Services Forum Reception at Madame Tussaud's. 6:30 PM: NRSC Dinner at Tupelo Grill. 7 PM: Jerry Weller at the NY Yankees/Cleveland Indians Game at Yankee Stadium. 7 PM: NASD Reception at One Liberty Plaza. 6-8PM, Blank Rome Convention Party, Chrysler Building Lobby, 405 Lexington Ave., Blank Rome 7-10PM, NASD Reception, One Liberty Plaza, 165 Broadway, NASD, Rep. Baker & Members of House Financial Services Capital Markets Subcommittee 9:30 PM, Celebrate The Spirits of New York, New York Yacht Club, 37 West 44th St., Weekly Standard, Distilled Spirits Council, The Economist, Roll Call, Sen. Frist 10PM, New York Delegation Evening Event, Noche, NY Delegation, NY Delegation 10 PM: An Arabian Night in New York featuring John H. Sununu, John E. Sununu, Darrell Issa, Mitch Daniels, Jeanine Pirro, and William Hamzy at Dahesh Museum of Art. 10 PM: Creative Coalition Gala featuring Robert Bennett, Chuck Grassley, Trent Lott, John McCain, Arlen Specter, Mary Bono, Dave Camp, Michael Castle, Mark Foley, Jerry Weller, Joe Pantoliano, Giancarlo Esposito, Joe Piscopo, Juliette Lewis, Tim Blake Nelson, Hallie Eisenberg, Catherine Dent, John Paul DeJoria, Richard Kind, Chris Lawford, and Michele Lee. Max Weinberg is the entertainment. Party's at SPIRIT New York. 10PM-1AM: Post-convention party Noche, 1604 Broadway, between 48th and 49th Sts. Sponsored by: American Gas Association September 1 7:30 AM: EEI Golf Invitational at Bethpage Black. 8:30 AM: WISH List Breakfast honoring Sue Kelly and Nancy Johnson at the Sheraton Hotel. 11:30 AM: NFIB Wine Tasting Event at Del Frisco's. 12-2PM, KOMPAC Lunch, Lincoln Center 12Metlife-AREVA-Chubb-Fidelity-Siemens Luncheon honoring the SEN leadership at Sky Club. 12PM: PWC Luncheon honoring Rob Portman at Rainbow Room. 1PM: Luncheon honoring House Speaker Dennis Hastert's wife, Jean Central Park Boathouse Sponsored by: Burlington Northern Santa 2:30 -5 PM, "A Brooklyn State of Mind" State Fair, featuring Gov. Huckabee's band "Capitol Offense", 4 PM: My Southern Celebration featuring Southern food, art, music and culture at Splashlight Studios. 4:30 PM: Salute to the OH Delegation at the Rainbow Room. 6-7:30 PM, PAC Solutions America, Fresco's 6 PM: SIA-Bond Market Assn event honoring Michael Oxley at Penthouse 15. 6:30 PM: NRSC Dinner at Tupelo Grill. 5:30 pm: Reception to honor Rep. Michael G. Oxley of Ohio, chair of the House Committee on Finance Services and other members of the committee. Penthouse 15 at The Loft, 336 West 37th Street, 15th Floor. Sponsored by Securities Industries Association and the Bond Market Association. TBD, Frist After Party, Charity for Global HIV/AIDS Crisis*,Rockefeller Center, Sen. Frist, Sen. Frist Noche- Williams & Gensen DC This is a sit-down lunch for 175 people. 9PM, Music Event Featuring Marshall Tucker Band, Dickey Betts Band, and Super Diamond, B.B. Kings, 237 W. 42nd St. 12-2PM, KOMPAC Lunch, Carmine's, KOMPAC, Speaker Hastert 5PM, RGA Rocks the Planet in Times Square, Planet Hollywood in Times Square, 1540 Broadway, RGA 3 PM “Taste of Brooklyn” – the Republican Governors’ Association gala event and other Republican state leaders. 6 PM Reception honoring U.S. Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee Chairman Pete Domenici (R-NM). 8 PM: Jerry Lewis and Duncan Hunter Event at the Intrepid. 9 PM: Magnum Entertainment Night II featuring Marshall Tucker Band, Dickie Betts and Great Southern and Super Diamond at BB Kings. 9:30 PM: RIAA Enter the Limelight honoring Bill First and Denny Hastert at Avalon. 10 PM: Another Boehner Party at Tunnel. 10 PM: World of Hope Foundation honors Bill Frist at Rockefeller Center. 10:30 PM: Live from NY It's Wednesday Night hosted by John and Cindy McCain featuring Darrell Hammond and Joe Piscopo at Cipriani. 10 PM Crobar, 530 West 28th Street, between 10 and 11 Avenue Sponsored by: American Gas Association 10PM-2AM: "Hispanic Event" at the Copacabana, 560 West 34th Street, between 10 and 11 Avenue Sponsored by: Coca-Cola 11 PM Northstar Leadership PAC and Norm Coleman reception at Club Macanudo. September 2nd Noche- Delegates from Ohio This is a luncheon. 10 AM: NRSC Continental Breakfast at Metropolitan Club to be followed by the morning briefing. 12PM : KOMPAC and Denny Hastert Luncheon at Carmine's. 12PM: NRSC Luncheon at Metropolitan Club. 5 PM: RGA Rocks the Planet at Planet Hollywood. 5 PM: GOP Salute to the Entertainment Industry honoring Gordon Smith with a special tribute to Jack Valenti at the Rainbow Room. 5-7PM: New York delegation. Madame Tussaud's, 234 West 42nd Street (between 7th and 8th Avenues) 6 PM: Israel Project event with Amb. Arye Mekel on the Mariner III docked at the Chelsea Pier. 8 PM: Another Salute to TX GOPers at BB Kings. 10 PM: Another Boehner Party at Tunnel. 10PM-2AM: Post-convention party at the Water Club, 500 East 30th Street on the East River Sponsored by: Novartis 11 PM: Next Generation of Leaders event featuring Jenna and Barbara Bush, Emma Bloomberg, Emily Pataki and Taylor Whitman at Gotham Hall. -- Useful noRNC websites: http://www.rncnotwelcome.org http://www.counterconvention.org http://www.stillwerise.org http://www.a31.org http://rncwatch.typepad.com http://rncguide.com http://www.lifeaftercapitalism.org http://www.nlgnyc.org/RNC.html http://www.norncposters.org http://nycplc.mahost.org http://www.times-up.org/rnc_2004.php http://nyc.indymedia.org http://www.campshutdown.com No RNC Announcement Listserve: http://www.mediajumpstart.org/mailman/listinfo/nornc No RNC Discussion Listserve http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/nornc-discuss Donate to us: http://tinyurl.com/hcfo PGP key: http://www.rncnotwelcome.org/pgpkey.html Our voice mail is 212-696-6450 _______________________________________________ noRNC mailing list noRNC@mediajumpstart.net https://secure.mediajumpstart.net/mailman/listinfo/nornc For more information about the RNC, check http://www.rncnotwelcome.org | http://www.rncwatch.org | http://www.counterconvention.org To unsubscribe from this list write to: noRNC-unsubscribe@mediajumpstart.net ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:26:34 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: MY CITY IS ANCIENT AND FAMOUS by Julia Williams Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new from above/ground press MY CITY IS ANCIENT AND FAMOUS by Julia Williams $4 ===== Julia William's poetry has appeared in Queen Street Quarterly, dANDelion magazine, This Magazine and (orange). Her first full-length work, the sink house, will be published by Coach House Books in autumn, 2004. Julia was on holiday but has since returned to Calgary. She is very unpretentious and interesting. ======= published in ottawa by above/ground press. subscribers rec' a complimentary copy. to order, add $1 for postage (or $2 for non-canadian) to rob mclennan, 858 somerset st w, main floor, ottawa ontario k1r 6r7. backlist catalog & submission info at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ======= above/ground press chapbook subscriptions - starting January 1st, $30 per calendar year (outside of Canada, $30 US) for chapbooks, broadsheets + asides. Current & forthcoming publications by Michael Holmes, Julia Williams, donato mancini, rob mclennan, lori emerson, Andy Weaver, Barry McKinnon, Shane Plante, David Fujino, Matthew Holmes, Rachel Zolf + others. payable to rob mclennan. STANZAS subscriptions, $20 (CAN) for 5 issues (non-Canadian, $20 US). recent issues featuring work by derek beaulieu, J.L. Jacobs & Rob Budde. bibliography on-line. ======== -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 11:31:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: query Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Anybody who remembers how to get off the list for a week let me know--I'll be away that long and don't want to wade thru oceans of email when I get back. Thanks. Mark ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:40:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Seats Available Providence-Boston Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I will be traveling to Boston from Providence on 9/2 in the late afternoon = either on Bonanza Bus or the MBTA and expect, in either case, that there = will be seats available should anyone wish to join me. =20 P.S. There will be a brief poetry reading by Mair=E9ad Byrne & Andrea = Werblin immediately after the trip. Seats will be available on the Red = Line to the venue: Wordsworth Books, Harvard Square, 7pm. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: jennifer alan clara and their meaning MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed jennifer alan clara and their meaning virir "did you hear that? jennifer said 'whatever.'" skew (by jennifer) jennifer writes this; she adds nothing to my security. she is thinking jennifer alan is named "clara" and "clara" is the name of alan. "alan" is the name "alan," "clara." the object is a lure or locus, intensity likewise chained object "alan" is utilized to activate alan. alan may be activated by "alan" as anyone can see by completing a @who on the moo. of course this depends on "alan" referencing alan, as opposed to "clara" referenc- ing "alan" referencing alan, or i may be logged on under another name- sense, the _meaning_ of "alan" is alan, but that alan is "alan" as the alan: heard in the hollow of its shell, close by alan: as if language conveyed meaning humped against the physical you say, "my name is alan." alan laughs like crazy! @join alan you join alan (asleep). alan! hi! [ ...hey!!!!! this message comes from sondheim (alan sondheim)... alan, i am being denied permission to respond. sleazy:self-lit:hungry:lurid:yes: : :uh, alan:lurid:self-lit i tell you, if it wasn't for alan sondheim, theory wouldn't exist! {k: } just call me tilde alan! louvre:yes: : :clara:louvre:dark alan is named "clara" and "clara" is the name of alan. "alan" is the name "alan," "clara." the object is a lure or locus, intensity likewise chained; this depends on "alan" referencing alan, as opposed to "clara" referencing clara: thinking and loving, writing, the murmur of the world clara: languages, terms, obseqious semiologies i'm not tending towards the inchoate, but towards the pathological, clara k: > clara ksh: clara: not found __ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:07:24 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040827113034.03e364f0@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Go to the server website, log in with your e-mail and your password, go to the settings page and click on disable temporarily, thats it i think. cyrill. Quoting Mark Weiss : > Anybody who remembers how to get off the list for a week let me know--I'll > be away that long and don't want to wade thru oceans of email when I get > back. > > Thanks. > > Mark > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:44:56 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: jennifer "alan" clara guru guru guru (10_mn_ago rmx of "alan sondheim) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit . "she" is "thinking" - the naming of her is the process of thought when one tries to speak to clara in fact they talk to "clara" inside alan jennifer > alan is named "clara" and "clara" is the name of alan. "alan" is the link between the name "alan," "clara.", the person named alan called clara the subject is a lure or locus, you say, "my name is alan." but alan is you so your name is in clara or "clara" but "clara" is in you so what guru guru guru @join alan join alan join alan guru guru guru mea maxima culpa > you join alan (da guru ist asleep). alan! hi! vanitas vanitatum et omnia vanitas v.1.00 never existed because clara said my name is alan oh clara is your - "name"? > alan is named "clara" and "clara" is the name of alan. "alan" is the name "alan," "clara." the object is a lore or locust, intensity likewise chained; this depends on "alan" referencing alan, as opposed to "clara" the person being alan, either alan exists so it is not "alan" either it is "clara" so "clara" is a person > referencing clara: thinking and loving, writing, the murmur of the word "clara": languages, terms, a dream within a dream on a stage on a stage on a stage semi-logics me cague la puta mare > i'm not sending towards the echoate, but towards the pathological, clara k: > clara > ksh: clara: not found - clara is in "alan" but "alan" is in me as alan possesses me guru guru guru mea maxima culpa > > > __ > i know the name "jennifer" it is inside inside guru guru guru ----- End forwarded message ----- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:57:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chicago Review Subject: Dorn web update / Fall reading series Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Chicago Review's website at http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review has finally been updated, and includes details on our recently published Summer 2004 issue (Edward Dorn, American Heretic) along with two pdf excerpts (an excerpt from editor's preface to the Dorn section, and Andrea Brady's response to Don Paterson's corrosive introduction to NEW BRITISH POETRY); also of course the de rigeur subscription details and various other links, to previous issues and to fellow travelers... Buy now or forever hold yr piece In order to liven up these dogdays we got a special treat for those with speedy fingers: the first three callers in domestic US get a free copy; the only rule is include yr address, else yr disqualified. Domestic subscriber and contributor copies shd have been received by now -- drop a line if you were expecting a copy and did not receive. * * * The Fall 2004 schedule of the University of Chicago's Poem Present series has been posted online at http://poempresent.uchicago.edu Forrest Gander (10/7 and 8) Jim Powell and Ralph Johnson (11/20-22) Allen Grossman (11/4: lecture) Tom Pickard (11/9) Susan Stewart (11/12) Robert Hass (11/13) Allen Grossman (11/18: reading) Stewart's and Hass's readings bracket the Zukofsky conference being held that weekend (11/13) at the Franke Institute. Details of that conference, as well as other poetry/poetics events happening at the U of C, can be found at http://poetics.uchicago.edu/events.html n.b.: the 2003-4 reading & lecture series has been archived online at http://poempresent.uchicago.edu/archive.htm -- highlights include Alice Notley, Lisa Jarnot, Robert Creeley, and William Fuller. * * * Don't forget to calibrate these dates with the many promising readings this fall at the Chicago Poetry Project http://www.chicagopoetryproject.org, the Discrete Series http://www.lavamatic.com/discrete/index.htm, the Danny's Tavern series http://noslander.com/dannys.html, and the readings at Myopic http://www.myopicbookstore.com/poetry.html. The website http://ChicagoPostmodernPoetry.com is yr best one-stop shop for such events (among other things); http://goldenrulejones.blogspot.com also does good work assembling a somewhat wider range of local readings (i.e., he includes fiction, and what the Poetry Center, etc., has afoot). * * * * * * * * * CHICAGO REVIEW 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago IL 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chuck Stebelton Subject: Myopic Poetry Series **September** Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MYOPIC POETRY SERIES -- a weekly series of readings and occasional =20 poets' talks Myopic Books in Chicago -- Sundays at 7:00 / 1564 N. Milwaukee Avenue ************************************************************************=20= *************** ************************************************************************=20= *************** NO READING SUNDAY, AUGUST 29TH. SERIES RESUMES SEPTEMBER 5TH ************************************************************************=20= *************** ************************************************************************=20= *************** September Events Sunday September 5 =96 Sarah Peters and Tony Hooper Sunday September 12 =96 Rodrigo Toscano and Jesse Seldess at Buddy / = 1542 =20 N. Milwaukee Sunday September 19 =96 TBA Sunday September 26 =96 Ray Bianchi=92s Circular Descent Release Reading Upcoming Events Sunday October 3 =96 Simone Muench and Jason Bredle Sunday October 10 =96 Hermine Meinhard and Joel Craig Sunday October 17 =96 Ethan Gilsdorf and Suzanne Buffam Sunday October 24 =96 Murat Nemet-Nejat and Peter O'Leary Sunday October 31 =96 Zhang Er and Peter Neufeld Sunday November 7 =96 Shin Yu Pai Sunday December 5 =96 Ander Monson and Arielle Greenberg http://www.lumpen.com/buddy/yes.html http://www.myopicbookstore.com/poetry.html ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:28:26 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: patrick dunagan Subject: Dorn issue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 I'm pretty sure my subscription was good for one more issue but I have not received the Dorn issue as yet. I have also moved, so please don't send another if you've already sent one, it might show up by postal forwarding. Please do let me know though if my subscription has run out. i'll gladly renew. thanks, Patrick Dunagan old address: 6106 SE Lafayette Portland, OR 97206 new address: 2081 NW Everett #408 Portland, OR 97209 -- _______________________________________________ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 18:40:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Beard of Bees Press is pleased to announce the publication of our latest chapbook: "The Head in Spring" by Brian Lucas. To read this chapbook and learn more about the author, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/lucas.html For a complete list of Beard of Bees publications, go to: http://www.beardofbees.com/publications.html _______________________________________________ BoB-announce mailing list BoB-announce@beardofbees.com http://lists.beardofbees.com/mailman/listinfo/bob-announce ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:28:38 -0400 Reply-To: dbuuck@mindspring.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Buuck Subject: REMINDER: TRIPWIRE / RNC EVENT IN NYC SAT 8/28 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boog City presents a Pre-RNC Party *********************************** d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press in america This month's bonus featured press: Tripwire (San Francisco) Sat. August 28, 7:00 p.m., $5 The C-Note 157 Avenue C. (& 10th St.) Featuring readings from Tripwire contributors: Taylor Brady * Jeff Conant * Rodrigo Toscano * and more and a staged reading/performance of "=C2=A1Guantanamo!" - the satirical mus= ical by David Buuck, featuring Cynthia Taylor, Taylor Brady, Gary Sullivan,= Nada Gordon, Gabrielle Civil, and others & Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. performed live by: Aaron Seven * Bolo * Cars For Love * Loggia * the Organ Grinders * Nathan Salsburg * Bethany Spiers * Avery Wright Also, Tripwire 6 1/2 "RNC/NYC," a zine-issue of the magazine, will be avail= able, featuring work from Anselm Berrigan, Rod Smith, Carol Mirakove, Taylor Brad= y, Yedda Morrison, Jules Boykoff, Rodrigo Toscano, Laura Elrick, Jeff Conan= t, & more Hosted and curated by Tripwire editor David Buuck, Aaron Kiely, and Boog City editor and publisher David Kirschenbaum Directions: L to First Avenue, F to Second Avenue, 6 to Astor Place Call 212-842-BOOG(2664) or email editor@boogcity.com for further info -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:56:10 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joe Brennan Subject: Draft Board Volunteers Have Been Meeting Quietly Comments: To: frankfurt-school@lists.village.virginia.edu, corp-focus@lists.essential.org, WRYTING-L@LISTSERV.UTORONTO.CA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Click here: The Assassinated Press http://www.theassassinatedpress.com/ Draft Board Volunteers Have Been Meeting Quietly For Nearly A Year: New 'Universal Draft' Guidelines In Place: By PHILIP OCHS Americans At Peace With Culture Of Greed: Auditor Applauds Iraq Contract Oversight: Halliburton Unit Not Required To Justify Expenses, Memo Says By RILEY HARROWING They hang the man and flog the woman That steal the goose from off the common, But let the greater villain loose That steals the common from the goose. ".....at a time when I am speaking to you about the paradox of desire -- in the sense that different goods obscure it -- you can hear outside the awful language of power. There's no point in asking whether they are sincere or hypocritical, whether they want peace of whether they calculate the risks. The dominating impression as such a moment is that something that may pass for a prescribed good; information addresses and captures impotent crowds to whom it is poured forth like a liquor that leaves them dazed as they move toward the slaughter house. One might even ask if one would allow the cataclysm to occur without first giving free reign to this hubbub of voices...." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:27:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <1093633644.412f866c6970a@imp5-q.free.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cyrill: What's the server website's URL? Mark At 12:07 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote: >Go to the server website, log in with your e-mail and your password, go to the >settings page and click on disable temporarily, thats it i think. > >cyrill. > > >Quoting Mark Weiss : > > > Anybody who remembers how to get off the list for a week let me know--I'll > > be away that long and don't want to wade thru oceans of email when I get > > back. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mark > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:38:57 -0400 Reply-To: Lori Emerson Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lori Emerson Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040827192714.03e42798@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Mark, you can go to http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=poetics&A=1 Alternatively, email me at poetics@buffalo.edu and I'll get to your request as soon as possible. Best, Lori Emerson listserv moderator On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:27:42 -0700, Mark Weiss wrote: > Cyrill: What's the server website's URL? > > Mark > > > > At 12:07 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote: > >Go to the server website, log in with your e-mail and your password, go to the > >settings page and click on disable temporarily, thats it i think. > > > >cyrill. > > > > > >Quoting Mark Weiss : > > > > > Anybody who remembers how to get off the list for a week let me know--I'll > > > be away that long and don't want to wade thru oceans of email when I get > > > back. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Mark > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:48:06 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: Tek and Army; His spar. His mans. His homebwoy (More at 7:30) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -Fucc thét lil bitch, mayn. Ayo, Tek, I raped thét fuccer in juvi. [znõrt!!]Word, rass, bouge it on thét bitch, mayn; he’s a larry. Fucc I hate thét lil shit- Army was ugly en he knew thét he was only gon get uglier. The Mighty was bult as ruff tough as RanXerox en had the features to match. Army’s voice had changed by 10 en it was slungfest twn Barry White en Heron ever since. His spar. His mans. His homebwoy. His nekgah. The dawg of dawgs is/was/will foeva live in Tek. Tek taught Army how to read. He still moves his mouth when he goes to sound it out. En sometimes he say it aloud -- maybe, the whole sentence, on the bus or at his crib. But it comes off as beautiful, cuz some things where meant to be spit out loud. Army pushes his head into the pages. The homey get ri in there wiph the words. It like he fix on playin a game or somethin. ...en he moves his mouth en he make a phat sound en breakdown the vowels into words en work the sentence (s). -Vic tor ia/vic/victim/victim tour/victim en ho in yuh/Victims en whores ¡Ya!/oh yeah/vic terror I/I’yuh/I¡Ya!/vic terrorize I¡ya!/Irie/Ila/victim terror I1/terra/victim terrorizer/terror I/terrorize I/tallowah/ vic/ic/ici//here/vic ici/v/life/life I see/5/5 I see/I see/ I see/see me/I be/ I see/ I be en see/ tallowah I/victor/victor I/victoria terrorize the I in ¡Ya!/Irie I/I won/I/1- Maybe, he’ll be able to cant, nuff perfect, for all the waddys one daye. Army out to decode the vai en figure them out cuz Tek his dawg en he taught him how to read, yo. Sound Army, -We tallowah I en I. This nah gow, homey. I en I tallowah, yo- His nekgah. Foeva live in Tek. His mans. They enforcer dawgs. They jackt Wiggy’s daddy at his crib in Hillside en beat Wiggy silly. Tek had to pull him out off from rapin the daddy too. Wiggy’s daddy was nothin but an E en yai pimp, himself. Tek en him, they even pulled a train at the Holiday court on this bitch they had to beatdown for tryin to jack them for a couple of spits which they got off a stunt at Wiggy’s crib. Army chased her from right down Douglas, through Micky D’s, en all round parkinlots. He gat her good, though. Punched her out en tried to get his grip back but she wouldn’t give. This bitch was bloody en feenin. Yaeh, she got away, again -- gainst the chutzpah of the chillum of Goodman. But he gave chase again en beat her down again en he knew where she was headin so he dropt back en waited to cut her off at the pass. Tek had been waitin ahead in the lot jus at the Bank cross Me from the, woht the Colonist called, “gritty Holiday Court”. Woht a joke. The kids gotz Holiday Tee’s naw if you wont one. Army got the room number en they crasht the room en Army got his grip en she warn’t too unpretty, yet so they jammed her to keep her from forgettin. -Let’s get bizzy, bitch- Tek spunkt in her face en Army he ripped her snatch wiph his bozac. Wiped the pussy blood en nut bust off on her face en bitch slapt her bustin one of her tooth. He was shu of thét. The bitch was a 15yr ol E-tard swangin over to crack. MAybe, it’ll teach the bitch to clean her shit up. -She fucin smell. Fuccin lil ho- -Cha G’¡Ya!- He said as they walked out the room. Army was a pathological reflection. He had mad pain from his daddy’s Long Mile MIA memories. Someone shot his daddy. He done know who it was. So he gon hateon ‘em all. Cept for his waddys en uncle Harlo. Victoria was jus another mark|| Army had his daddy Athalwolf’s Book of Judgements. His moms had given it to him en he keep it safe like thét dank pipe en sblade thét his uncle Harlo gave him after Army’s mom’s died of the monsta. Did this song start wiph a cry? Did My madkids in Hurley hats run too wyel? They ain’t lost cuz they ain’t neva been chillen. So there ain’t nothin to keep remainin in. But they can fly wiph or wiphout dust. They can kick en do 720’s cali rollit, like thét kid, who can flip en drop on a board steady from the Belfy rooftops. They gon do woht they gon do cuz they no fear, yo. They stout heart until they let the humans steal their heartz en make them notice colour en codes en cypher the world into a flat narrow blind field of unreality. Then We watch dem break your legz crack your back smash your arms drop you in the Gorge so the water take you en you done comeback. Wayde through the Long Mile mess misdirected vocal egomania come to play the Blues. No soul comes through from wordstuck Colonist articles, Texas crime hacks en Britty law books claimin the bangarang of wack Black/White theorist wiphout a clue. Gorge, like Me en T.W., He remember the derembered woht got lost in His flood. He got no pressure like I feel, from the light beat of lil feet come to heavy sad/sad of poundin walks. Ayo, y’see thét lil loc yo? Once he used to smile. Nah Army walk wiph Virk en thems pain foeva eva. Cuz one mo lil gon in this city gon mean en crazy. Feel me. Me. Me is ussin. You en Me Army. Woht. …en he looked like T.S. Eliot, round the age of 17 wearin that, on the out, thriftshop, brown, snug fittin tweed suit en those govt., welly wrangled, pair of glasses. Athalwolf was a smooth killa. He said that he wonted to take a life. That he felt like it was his mood. Some say he was a far kin of a halfbreed; Alex Hare--hung at 17 en a wicked little sharp shot. Woht they say about the west, Athal was, partially. He bore a rugged individualism, had conquest on his mind but cared less about entertainin progress in his conscience, nor did he care much about law en order, except when the predictable crash of paranoia set in en he thought they might be after him. His girl was a comely crack ho, soon goin on ugly, who he held up in the Heroin Hotel wiph a screwed-up frenchman who watched porno 24/7 on 5 different sets. He was a mousy guy en road a 200/LX roadster right by Athalwolf’s side, even through fights. Athal’d sit wiph her on the balcony, over lookin the bad buildin tops en smogged out mountains of the Olympic range, when she was too strung out. “Can you hear Sam Cooke, baby? can hear Sam Cooke, on his best croonin tracks, huh, baby, can you?” He’d tie his arms en legs around her en talk about where they could go en how much money they could get for woht they wonted. It was never about leavin this place or even gettin a new room or turnin off the television, maybe even changin the fuccin channel or gettin a new video. She was still nuff pretty to be a good wife but she couldn’t come through wiph barin any offspring. She’d been knocked up six times en lost each one to miscarriage. She was hopin seven would be a charm. Seven is what was good in Athal’s “Book Of Judgements” en way of life. She wonted his baby. She had been passed up en down the Island en even the mainland, in the circuit, to greet en please the locals wiph cash en wives en stiff stupid friendlies feenin to bust. She was still nuff pretty. Not too much of the west’s loneliness, hardwork en over fret around cops, sammy bulls, bailers, blades, psychos en bully boyfriends, was wearin her out. But, she was still pretty, in way. If you stood her next to the girls who Hammet called better than pretty en who ate all the meals that a daye could offer, you’d peep that she wasn’t up to match. You’d be able to tell. All she had now, to compare her countenance wiph, was what was crawlin from Wharf en endin up on Broad for 20 bucks a head. Maybe, a head job, maybe, jus a talk to get more, to score more, before even a lick was offered, which was why so many ended up gettin beat down en tossed out trucks on quiet corners. She was sure it was Athal’s baby, Yeah. ***** He could get his dick sucked by a feggit for a couple of good whacks of bogus scooby snacks. It was an admirable characteristic of the Long Mile landscape he grew up to know. It was the body politics of the area. If his girl, the frenchman, his chuck[L]heads en the chink en the stad dealer from Duncan, where pirootin, cookin up rock en talkin chemistry in the parlour; if he wonted to whack, in the bathroom, on a date wiph a yack feg, who wonted to suck his sweet young dick, as he spoke dirty to him, he’d peep his Book of Judgements, his guide to life, written in fatty tipped marker, inna drawin book. He’d keep his eyeballs stranded to {3: 7-13} the page of the daye, as it spoke to him en it en He would say; “repent”: “Repent from the followins of the spoilers. You have turned away from Me en have taken on the ways of the sinful. You have known abominable ways en eaten of the waste left of the spoiled land, ingestin devastation’s en whackin hatefulness into thyself. You have taken to lay down wiph hos en those of which not even a dog would find fit to eat of at My command.” -AAAaaaOOOOoooohhhhaaaFuc/bitch! I like you- ***** Over on the outside, he’d take the frenchman out wiph him en a couple of the bwoys en go drinkin. Top of thét , he’d do some deals for the Duncan chink en the stad. Things could get pretty fuct up on a welly Wed. .They come out from all over, which is why they’d send Athal out wiph the bruisers. They were known to mess up a few suckers for not payin up or gettin out of hand or jus because they read “nünheim” across their forehead. They got jackt, real soso, off the free shit, that they got from the Duncan stad en the chink, or skimmed off the top for the SMUs, the Rockland boys, en them sorts, who came down en took cab rides or drives or followed en waited across streets, of the lower parts, to get them to pickup. But they couldn’t fuc wiph a chug who was on a bad high, though. They was bad Injinns. Injinns are jus bad on any shit. They jus got drunk en mouthy en couldn’t remember where they were en where they were goin. They start seein things en think that they invincible like they was inna ghost dance. There was no reasonin. One came to the apt en stood outside the door wiph a big ‘ol knife en was screamin about cuttin throats en runnin the bastards en the bitch cunt through. ..en one was hatin on Athal, naw. Athal was makin a deal wiph this stad. The stad was gettin paranoid. The chug was makin noise. Athal had no intention of rippin this dude off. Athal was jus a little fuct en was tryin to make the deal, like he wasn’t, en so he was fuccin up en the chug kept talkin over him, wontin to hedup, askin for all of this shit en sayin that he knew him. He kept callin him a ‘cock sucker.’ ***** At crixmas Athal got his girl 6 turkey bagel sandwiches, that his friend, Harlo, gave him, from the Bagel shop he cleaned up at. They wouldn’t let Harlo work the cash, jus clean up. He asked once en they said his face was dirty. He was a dude who slept on the beach, when he got tossed out of his apt, by his girl. Some say, she was the sort of chick, they evented the sport of bitch slappin for. She would look at Athel en others like they jus shot her dog, burned down her house en chased her family out of town. She took Harlo’s little puppy. It was cute little guy. A tiny pittbull pup, that he’d freak over, if he got puppy hiccups. Harlo laid out alot cash to get it dewarmed en haulin it over to this Native chick, down the street, who took care of the pups what belonged to the poor kids in the hood. He lost the pup to his girl. She jus took it. He slept on beaches, got hit on by old men, got a job cleanin up bagel shit en was told he had a dirty face for it. But he got Athalwolf en his girl a crixmas turkey, one way or another. Harlo made it wiph Athal, once. He came to the bar en they were closin up en the kitten at the counter wouldn’t serve him. He’d jus gotten paid en had a load of cash on him--200, maybe. It was a load for this time of the year. This was the closest place en he went in. It had a bitchy bummedout emo cool to it; mobbed wiph white jazz suburbia ragers. Harlo looked around en saw the usual paint tarps sittin at the other end bein talked up by the mad trippin’ exjock from Nova Scotia. He’d bought the place when he came over en thought he made it to the bigtime--Hali ain’t nothin but a Block of downtown, here. From the time the TVs went on en the beer started pourin, it was tongue oil suckin the life en hearts from the drywallers en fadin football thugs. Their lives hung over the vacuum of the stuff. The country had done them wrong: them, they had took it--they not bein like them. ...en their faces failed en had fallen ages ago into those glasses that they formed posses roun to keep en remember splices of Dartmouth en Pictou, Penticton, Mission en Langford, Chillwack, Creston en Caroline en nightmares tales of migrants, pakis en slantyeyed gangs en Gottegen en them Africville dumbass coons who fetid the place for all them. Athal was sittin behind them, hearin, noddin en smirkin. Then his eyes flickered, reflectin off the teeny candle light en yellow brown en stale brass. Him en his, they connected like they do. Lost compadres, slow walkin from behind the blunderers, pass the missers, cheers to the jock, nah, no, not takin off, jus sayin hi, howzit goin, you got no beer, no drinks, can’t buy a fuccin thing, these jointsers are bummedout. You jus borin. You got the same shirt everyday. A’yo Athal, do you think you, can’t you, you know, you know where en they decided to go on en get, go get some en then they got all eric martin. Then they brought up some feelins, they’d stashed for awhile en then--thing one en thing two en years back stories bout fus meetin en thinkin about stupid stuff en then the makin silly wiph each other happened. They never talked about it en for a bit Athal felt special en Harlo always did. Harlo, he wasn’t like that. It was jus one of those freak things, between friends. It jus was this thing. ***** The frenchman then pulls up his roadster en starts to tell the guy to ‘come on’ en ‘get lost’ en ‘stop bodderin him.’ All the other of Athal’s boys watched or tried to make deals across the street. The stad says he’s got to go. -No, no, wait, jus tell me how much you want, man. Come on lets’ take a walk- -No, I’m not takin a walk, dude. I’m outta here- A lot of abi-originalz show up en they’re younger, wearin jerseys, en nekgah wear. They think thét they ni@@erer than nekgaz, who they call ni@@er. They got the ball caps en eurotrash slick back mohwaks tied into ponytails. Say most, they always lookin for trouble en jackin shit. They never got over the mess woht happened wiph Here Before Christ en their avengin hoods like Dan McLean en J. Doug, (who they say, was not some bit far from the beast, who shall rise in the form of man in preachers clothin), blasted Tlel, a squaw, her baby en his uncle back in 1849. High yella super shiesty -- Doug did shit to stop the rapes of native lils en settlass landgrabs – poor Nigger Dan. But they really hated ni@@ers, so much, they wonted to be one. So much, they acted like one, without the ghetto, en only a reservation en all the video arcades, welly en poison they got pumpt into their heads. You cyan say thét they eva wonted to be a credit to their race. -Hey feggit- ...is what they said. Athal never listened to that, when people said it, because he knew that they weren’t talkin to him. -A Yo feggit- -Man, just tell me how much you want- -An 8ball, fuk, ain’t you listenin- -This dudes fuktup. This is a fukken heat score, man- -Wait, you want game, right- -A Yo, feggit- -Right- -Well, let’s take a walk. I don’t walk around with that on me, you know- The Injinns move closer en the frenchman jus starts to move his roadster back off down a ways. -You’re a feggit- -So let’s take a walk- -Forget it. Come on, let’s get out of here- -Yeah, well fuc you. FUC YOU! ...waste my fuccin time- ...en he turns to the chuggas en says; -What the fuc do you want- -Your ass, feggit- ...en they pull out a gun. What kind, nobody knew. Athal took a swing at the fuc en it went flyin en hit the wall. He was, like he was, bein on whiskey root en could care less, like usual, of becomin shot. His girl came out of the truck she was in wiph a loser who had his dick out. Athal gets a good swing in en bashes the punk chug to the pavement. He was better than Hulk Hogan, better than Rodney even better than thét Shamrock is, naw, before he got bought en sold out to make pretend messes of people’s bodies. He was always good inna fight. He could have joined the gym en had his face en body on those posters, they get up around town, for real boxin en kick boxin events. He could have gotten the deals on the tats, they gave the pugs, at the shop, jus alla. He kicked the chugga on the ground, en it became a runnin battle, wiph him en four Injinns. They had him backin up, swingin all left/right/ right/left combos, inna boxers attitude, the frenchman en his roadster scootin on behind the pageant. His girl was screamin, jus right/lower, for the streets, not to draw too many warders, despite the surveillance cameras en the undercovers, but to give warnin en back to her man. He took a good swing again en got another Injinn. Athal pulled off his jacket en ripped his glasses off. His girl retrieved them all. He was Injinn fightin like Cody. They made like Sittin Bull. ***** It was jus a beer splattered tall wood, which was, basically, a long/lanky twig that Harlo left a sixpack beside; clips from the Judgements, a poem from the “Redzone”. If it had air en a little more Sun it could have been fat as an oak. ...en the corner boys en their bitches laid pretty wild picked en plastic flowers roun, along wiph, some Hallmark cards en fooscap tacked to the trunk. “we mis you” “We allways love you” “We cry a tear for you each day while your gone” ***** -Woht?! fuc thét lil bitch, mayn. Fuccin chick, WOHT- Army, mayn, he hated fish. He rubbed the Woht. Kid. blood off his kicks in the alley next to the cinema theatre on Johnson. More en the Poro legged it to Creamfist’s parent’s crib. They chillout for the night if it was coo en his parents were out again. Dang, they was drunk as fucc en blunted en dusted to perfection. Dust, the ulitmate crew drug. Perfection. Roll. from More at 7:30 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC ub ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:47:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fwd: netbehaviour: Dissension Convention- A Transatlantic Collaborative Multimedia Protest Jam (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed --- ruth catlow wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:37 +0100 > From: ruth catlow > To: list@www.netbehaviour.org > Subject: netbehaviour: Dissension Convention- A > Transatlantic Collaborative Multimedia Protest > Jam > --------------------------------- Dissension Convention =====================> A Transatlantic Collaborative Multimedia Protest Jam 29th August- 2nd September 2004 http://www.furtherfield.org/dissensionconvention/ =====================> Coinciding with the Republican Convention in New York, 10 pairs ofnet/digital artists, from the Americas and Europe, will create live,online multimedia performances with a focus on how Bush negativelyinfluences every locality around the world with his bullshit. These will be projected at RNC NODE, Postmasters Gallery as well as byother appointed NY platforms in 'store windows, bars' 5 days of live mix performances, online in real-time from 29th August-2nd September between 12noon and 6pm (NY time) via Furtherfield'sVisitorsStudio http://www.furtherstudio.org/live If you are viewing from home you can visit versions mirrored on theartists' websites (check project URL for updates) * If you wish to mirror this event on your site please target this filehttp://www.furtherstudio.org/live/dissensionconvention.swf =====================> The Programme- Participants =====================> Sunday 29th August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Maya Kalogera & Marc Garrett 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Moport.org & Glowlab.org Monday 30th August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Chris Webb & Sim (Soy.de) 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Lewis Lacook & Alan Sondheim, SheilaMurphy [tbc] & Jason Nelson [tbc] Tuesday 31st August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Helen Varley Jamieson & Karla Ptacek 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Joseph and Donna McElroy Wednesday 1st September 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Neil Jenkins & Roger Mills 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Digitofagia vs. Autolabs Thursday 2nd September 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Michael Szpakowski & Ruth Catlow 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Ryan Griffis & Mark Cooley =====================> Postmasters Gallery is creating RNC NODE, a way-station, serving as aphysical node of an ad-hock public broadcasting, a system of online,real time protest performances and alternative news actions. All onlinestreams will also be output in local bars and projections from windows.DissensionConvention will be part of this programme. Be a part of the network! http://www.postmastersart.com/RNC_NY.html>>>> for instructions. (active from 23rd August) DissensionConvention is a Furtherfield Projecthttp://www.furtherfield.org =====================> --netbehaviour is an open email list community for sharing ideas,platforming art and net projects and facilitating collaborations.let's explore the potentials of this global network.this is just the beginning.to unsubscribe send mail to majordomo@netbehaviour.orgwith "unsubscribe list" in the body of the message ===== *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook -->http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog-> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Collective Writing Projects--> The Wiki--> http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/ Appendix M ->http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:04:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Americaness and Problem Positions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Americaness and Problem Positions http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim/americaness.mov The Processor The two paper tapes prepared on the perforator should agree. But whether or not they agree, a girl takes them over to the processor and puts them both in. The processor has two tape feeds, and she puts one tape on each and starts the machine. ... The Problem Positions Next, the girl takes the punched tape made by the processor over to a problem position that is idle. Two of the problem positions are always busy guiding the two computers. The other two problem positions stand by, ready to be loaded with problems. (from Edmund C. Berkeley, Giant Brains or Machines that Think, 1949) _ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:21:02 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: A Foggy Black Potion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A Foggy Black Potion Click on a mime Tap my headshell/Pretend it’s clever Drill a moment Tricks slipped wrists/Blindsiding Optical crossfaders// Sun trip/fried Mark the biz Beat the G another banger// Knowledge/Wisdome I’m still standin Waving atoms at theremins Rising denouments Wiggas cracking Games Internet and cream Holla holla/I’ll shout a cry Of a sic Ill what’ll kill// ¡Ya! That ain’t my scene La ilaha illa Players slay the/layers on mp3’s Thick texture Can I get Ah Dble Coated guide/ My control Animated x-rated Me Hentye Come at me sideways That pussy can sho do the strole Do the dawg S’all luv luv Make me visualize Your sexual preference Dildos caught on cells Lords slangin songs Peace Gawd!!! I fear your actions Like swines Beggin for deliveries What wickedness Wolves and 3 likkle piglets The evil I evoke to quote That’s the joint Knuckle up Don’t move Do you Dare Wade through All ¡Ya! yoi!!! Leggo around the corner for some Jamaican food Cut a clip from a method/ Seek A well sharp Ax I’ll callapse yuh matter Feel the full bio of my power He’s on the donwtempo tip Oh mots of sonnets To the North side of Africans Chompin Bantu’s opinion Mad Professor verse a track Mark the spot X Clap eyez on that Skinhead, yush!!!!! Twistin poetics I wanna mad grill Homer Dialate the retinina inna core of Victoria My lithium Paranoia Shaking Schizoprenia Lost of logic Delete or void/Wandering barefoot with a neighbour Remain on point Remain on point Remain on point Candles burning This the sound of teens gon a rioting Bleechin trash/for the daydream Nation Sonic or melodic Cotton picking/grinnin/fuccin up the phonics Blues and ebonics Abort the kid Bathtubs and gin Sling Reused arms Burn me a tune, Rude Douce that cigarette MC’s or griots/bounce fa me Ripp a disc/to a vibe to a writ /to spit by Muhammad Take a pause/dig my technic Turn it to Eaze He out to bail out the kai Cain bash Able Two turn tables and bite Scenes locked down? Sing me the key Long mile and runnin Get at me with wit How hiiiiiiiigh?! Compress my breath Undo the death Headshell’s unbalanced Chemcals and lubricants Dusted air Unclog the mix// Cross fade Beat change Drop the weight Great!? You see the treble// Voice my sample Greasy pencils Change a month for the journey inna day Mark it I.D. me inna Metropolis Reciting scorchers at sun set 1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood Victoria, BC ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:31:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michelle Reeves Subject: anyone going to the RNC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Three cheers to any traveling to New York for RNC or the UFPJ/NION march on Sunday. I suppose that goes to New Yorkers also, but not so much so. Perhaps I will see some of you there, even though you probably won't know who I am and vice-versa. I personally am enduring SIXTEEN plus hours both ways via 15 person van . . .to spend 24 hours there. Waking at 5:45 and departing at 7. Such is the life of the poor, student activist. Michelle ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:03:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: A Foggy Black Potion Comments: To: ishaq1823@telus.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit nice one ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:40:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: anyone going to the RNC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit so? endure endure must we know your "hardships" we nyorkers bare the brunt of this one planned chaos by the city and all those agent provacatuers ( sp? ) we don't need to have tou commitment sweat in our poor nyc faces .... we did that stuff once be nice every bad demonstrator may lose us a vote vote for the lesser of the 2 kneivels again always the same get rid of the monster to make way for the brute beans vs oil = gas = hot air all round but we definitely must get rid of the monster ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 13:09:08 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cyrill Duneau Subject: Re: query In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.1.20040827192714.03e42798@mail.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=poetics&A=1 (¸.•'´(¸.•'´ `'•.¸)`' •.¸) ¸.•´ ( `•.¸ `•.¸ ) ¸.•)´ (.•´ `*. *. shooting yourself in the balls is not the way to have a happy life http://dolmensniper.motime.com/ Quoting Mark Weiss : > Cyrill: What's the server website's URL? > > Mark > > At 12:07 PM 8/27/2004, you wrote: > >Go to the server website, log in with your e-mail and your password, go to > the > >settings page and click on disable temporarily, thats it i think. > > > >cyrill. > > > > > >Quoting Mark Weiss : > > > > > Anybody who remembers how to get off the list for a week let me > know--I'll > > > be away that long and don't want to wade thru oceans of email when I get > > > back. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Mark > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:58:45 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. 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Ba' heid, Ball head. Balloon, Idiot. Comin' the cunt, Trying to be a smart arse. Yer ba's are a' beef, Your balls are all beef (ie talking crap HS-748-353 Srs.2A.Foucault’s pan-opticon was replaced. This crash happened in Tambacounda (Senegal) Deterioration in the language and in pronounziation is inseperable from politicall corroption Auto-Destructive ----- End ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:35:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Draft legislation bill/HR163 & S89 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed CONGRESS IS IN SECRET ATTEMPTING TO PASS BILLS HR163 & S89 TO REINSTATE DRAFT AS EARLY AS SPRING 2005 Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes. There is pending legislation in the house and senate (twinbills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/quer The above links will take you to a gov web site that describes the provisions of the bill since Congress has been hesitating to pass this bill into law because of the perceived possibility that bill passage would have an extremely negative effect on George W. Bush's reelection campaign. Send this now to all you know so this information becomes well known! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:45:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Sawyer Subject: Re: Use this link to see draft bill/HR163 &S89 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DRAFT LEGISLATION: CORRECTION, DIRECT LINK TO DRAFT BILL WEB PAGE It has been brought to our attention that the previous link sent concerning draft legislation is no good. The viewer must go directly to this page (see link below) http://thomas.loc.gov/ after the page is brought up onscreen, the viewer must type HR 163 into the blank box labeled "Bill number" on the left hand side of the page, then the viewer must hit "enter"... Please copy and paste information about the bill along with the above directions and forward to everyone you know to spread this urgent information! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:13:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: ** Boog NYC Series Wants Yr Non-NY Press ** Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, The first year of our non-NY Small Press series--d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press--has gone real well. We were honored to present readings from: Meritage Press (San Francisco/St. Helena, Calif.), The Owl Press (Woodacre, Calif.) Avec Books (Penngrove, Calif.) CyPress (Cincinnati, Ohio) above/ground press (Ottawa, Canada) Chax Press (Tucson, Arizona) Carve (Boston) Braincase Press (Northampton, Mass.) Combo (Providence, Rhode Island) Talon Books (Vancouver, British Columbia) The readings are on the first Thursday of each month at ACA Galleries at 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. (bet. 10th and 11th avenues) at 6:00 p.m., and usually feature contributors from a press reading for 20-30 minutes and a musical act performing for 15-20 minutes, a break, and then 20-30 minutes more of readings and 15-20 minutes more of music. The gallery operators are amazing folk and connected to the poetry community in that they're the son-in-law and daughter of the poet Simon Perchik. They provide wine and other beverages, cheese, and fruit for each reading, too. Oh yeah, no door either. I'm booking our second season now. The rest of 2004 we'll have events from Conundrum (Chicago), Ambit (Baltimore), a 30th anniversary celebration for Kelsey Street Press (Berkeley, Calif.), and The Poker (Boston). We still need some presses for the period of January-July 2005. If you are interested, please backchannel me to editor@boogcity.com thanks, david -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcity.blog-city.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:17:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: radio objects (thanks to Florian Cramer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed radio objects (thanks to Florian Cramer) unstable.ob # list-specific "ob .ob " line prefixes unstable.ob # "To.ob ", "Date.ob " and "ob .ob " and filter out unstable.ob elsif (/^ob .ob /) { unstable.ob s/^ob .ob [\s]+/ob .ob /; unstable.ob $ob =~ s/^ob .ob //; unstable.ob ob /radio playlist. unstable.ob ob /radio playlist. unstable.ob # non-Nettime ob line prefixes unstable.ob push @ob _line, $_; unstable.ob # play later singer & ob info to database unstable.ob $ob = $ob _line[$#ob _line]; unstable.ob $ob =~ s/^ob .ob //; unstable.ob $database_record = &detab($speaker)."\t". &detab($digest_volume)."\t".&detab($pogram_number). 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    \n"; unstable.ob $ob =~ s/^ob .ob //; __ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 23:05:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: New Profiles and Fall Calendar on chicagopostmodernpoetry.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Friends of chicagopostmodernpoetry.com: Chicagopostmodernpoetry.com is proud to announce that on Monday, August 30th our September Issue will be live including new poetic profiles from; Mark Tardi, Sina Queyras, Hermine Meinhard, and Mark Nowak. We are also including the updated calendars for the Danny's Series, Myopic Series, Woodland Pattern Milwaukee, Discrete Series and University of Chicago Series. We have some very exciting readers coming to Chicago and Milwaukee this fall including Peter Gizzi, Charles Bernstein, Susan Howe, Laura Sims, Robin Blaser,Forrest Gander, Rodrigo Toscano and many, many others. I have to say that our marquis reading series, Myopic, Discrete, Chicago Poetry Project, Danny's, U of Chicago, Chicago Poetry Project, Columbia College and Chicago Poetry Center are doing a great job. Now only if Poetry Magazine would bring someone to town worth paying $12.00 to see. I want to thank all of you for your support, since April we have had over 9000 unique visits to chicagopostmodernpoetry.com and we are thankful. And to those of you in New York, all of Chicago is with you this week yell loudly for us. Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 06:12:53 -0400 Reply-To: ron.silliman@gte.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ron Subject: Silliman's Blog Comments: To: WOM-PO , BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, nanders1@swarthmore.edu, new-poetry@wiz.cath.vt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ RECENT TOPICS: Greetings from San Antonio Collaborations of unfathomable familiarity - Francie Shaw & Bob Perelman's Playing Bodies David Perry's New Years - Kicking it up a notch or two Elizabeth Willis' Meteoric Flowers - Too much perfection, not enough risk Joanne Kyger's God Never Dies - When exactness is everything Vacation reading list(s) Two notes on Rem Koolhaas, Frank Gehry & post-avant architecture in Seattle After The Alphabet Two new important poetry sites: Mini-mag's PhillySound feature & audios from the Carrboro (NC) Poetry Festival http://ronsilliman.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:07:07 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Vendler on why we should study the arts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII http://www.neh.gov/whoweare/vendler/lecture.html Who are the National Endowment for the Humanities? How are they different than the NEA? Inquiring Canadians want to know. kevin -- --------------------------- Newfoundland Tories put culture in a COMA http://www.donotpadlocktherooms.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:20:04 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in Chicago on WGN Radio there is a great nighttime show called Extension 720 with Professor Milt Rosenberg of the University of Chicago. This show has art and book reviews and some of the most intelligent talk on commercial radio. Last Thursday he did his twice yearly Poetry program. One of his guests was Christian Wiman of "Poetry" Magazine and some other poet who lives here in Chicago whose work is so banal that I almost fell asleep driving home. It was two hours of the most banal, boring poetry it was like eating wonder bread drenched in velveeta. It was like a Saturday Night Live skit that wanted to make poetry so boring and so irrelevant as to be funny abd yet they were serious. They spent 25 minutes on Gerard Manley Hopkins (Whom I do Like),20 minutes on Phillip Larkin,it seemed like hours on Auden, a whole slew of Rhyming poets there was no mention of Pound, Williams, Olson, Ginsberg, Black Mountain, San Francisco Rennaissance, Spicer, Bernstein, Howe,Duncan,Ashbury Creeley. You would think in a city like Chicago with the number of experimental poets we have they could have got someone descent. There was not a mention of Slam either and Chicago is the birthplace of that form even if you dont like it it is a force here. The whole show could have been recorded in 1950 not 2004. Wiman even said that the great loss of late was the death of Donald Justice and that he is so influential, have I missed something, I had Justice at Iowa he is a nice man but influential? Anyway I thought it was interesting and it showed the state of Poetry Magazine (The Republican Party Rhyming). Why didn't Ruth Lilly submit to LANGUAGE and get rejected and then gave millions to Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews?!!!!!!!!!! RB Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:12:03 -0230 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Hehir Subject: Bikes against Bush Protester arrested MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as you know, this guy has been my fave for creative activism in NYC for the RNC Festivl of Greed. Well, i didn't even get a chance to send him a message http://nyc.indymedia.org/feature/display/106015/index.php Activist bike creator Joshua Kinberg arrested 8/28/2004 Current rating: 4 by yatta Email: minitrue (nospam) hotmail.com (unverified!) 29 Aug 2004 Bikesagainstbush creator Joshua Kinberg was arrested while taping an interview with MSNBC's Ron Reagan in Manhattan Saturday afternoon. Kinberg was stopped by police while demonstrating the bicycle for the television interview. His bicycle is a high-tech graffiti writer, using chalk to print anti-Bush political messages sent by people via the internet. Apparently there was a question of whether or not the sprayed messages were a defacement of property. Activist bike creator Joshua Kinberg arrested Bikesagainstbush creator Joshua Kinberg was arrested while taping an interview with MSNBC's Ron Reagan in Manhattan Saturday afternoon. Kinberg was stopped by police while demonstrating the bicycle for the television interview. His bicycle is a high-tech graffiti writer, using chalk to print anti-Bush political messages sent by people via the internet. Apparently there was a question of whether or not the sprayed messages were a defacement of property. When Kinberg showed the police sergeant how the bicycle used a non-permanent spray chalk, the sergeant seemed to agree that it wasn't defacement, at which point Kinberg asked, "am I free to go?" After conferring about it, officers decided to call superiors, then came back moments later to place Kinberg under arrest and confiscate the bicycle. Kinberg cooperated fully with the officers as he was being handcuffed, only asking, "can I ask what I'm being arrested for?" to which no one provided an answer. As of 11:00 PM Saturday evening, he was still in custody without being charged with anything. Video of the incident is available as a torrent at DV Guide. See also: http://www.bikesagainstbush.com -- --------------------------- Newfoundland Tories put culture in a COMA http://www.donotpadlocktherooms.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 11:57:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: A Foggy Black Potion Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I liked this poem so much that I had to reply with my Revolutionary's Prayer One man, one son, one prophet but, Mumia is locked up tight despite the evidence John Afrika dead a marytr, the movement's in motion with massive militant poetry it goes & some say, What do you mean John 3:16? ... mother earth cry 1 thousand times in me Revolution Revolution Revolution make me fear in your destruction and pray in its deliverance make me humble father sky speak your name 1 Thousand times of how you always speak in love peace peace peace He said to trouble our minds when in doubt His name is like a cry & His prayer I feel as if to speak His name Is a blasphemy, when not done in the right way And I would never pray on Sunday Without my heart Calm my tears Speak Peace in me & if I might have too, fight for it Let me only witness manifestations of peace That I might see friendship, love, and brotherhood & sisterhood of that to which we all pray Peace Peace Peace Let me feel how you give Love love love Quiet is the night So let us talk love during the day In our lives in our happiness Not our pain Let my words be love As if I was talking to the wall With my back turned to you Listen but do not believe Let belief be in the audience or not But I pray they listen to my heart & That you are happy Jesus Christ with my offering Give me peace for saying it, as if I had never picked up a gun in my life As if I will never need to pick up a gun in my life Amen. >From: Ishaq >Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: A Foggy Black Potion >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:21:02 -0700 > >A Foggy Black Potion > > >Click on a mime >Tap my headshell/Pretend it’s clever >Drill a moment >Tricks slipped wrists/Blindsiding >Optical crossfaders// >Sun trip/fried >Mark the biz >Beat the G another banger// >Knowledge/Wisdome >I’m still standin >Waving atoms at theremins >Rising denouments >Wiggas cracking >Games >Internet and cream >Holla holla/I’ll shout a cry >Of a sic Ill what’ll kill// >¡Ya! >That ain’t my scene >La ilaha illa >Players slay the/layers on mp3’s >Thick texture >Can I get >Ah >Dble >Coated guide/ >My control >Animated x-rated >Me Hentye >Come at me sideways >That pussy can sho do the strole >Do the dawg >S’all luv luv >Make me visualize >Your sexual preference >Dildos caught on cells >Lords slangin songs >Peace Gawd!!! >I fear your actions >Like swines >Beggin for deliveries >What wickedness >Wolves and 3 likkle piglets >The evil >I evoke to quote >That’s the joint >Knuckle up >Don’t move >Do you >Dare >Wade through >All >¡Ya! yoi!!! >Leggo around the corner for some Jamaican food >Cut a clip from a method/ >Seek >A well sharp Ax >I’ll callapse yuh matter >Feel the full bio of my power >He’s on the donwtempo tip >Oh mots of sonnets >To the North side of Africans >Chompin Bantu’s opinion >Mad Professor verse a track >Mark the spot X >Clap eyez on that Skinhead, yush!!!!! >Twistin poetics >I wanna mad grill Homer >Dialate the retinina inna core of Victoria >My lithium >Paranoia >Shaking >Schizoprenia >Lost of logic >Delete or void/Wandering barefoot with a neighbour >Remain on point >Remain on point >Remain on point >Candles burning >This the sound of teens gon a rioting >Bleechin trash/for the daydream Nation >Sonic or melodic >Cotton picking/grinnin/fuccin up the phonics >Blues and ebonics >Abort the kid >Bathtubs and gin >Sling >Reused arms >Burn me a tune, Rude >Douce that cigarette >MC’s or griots/bounce fa me >Ripp a disc/to a vibe to a writ /to spit by Muhammad >Take a pause/dig my technic >Turn it to Eaze >He out to bail out the kai >Cain bash Able >Two turn tables and bite >Scenes locked down? >Sing me the key >Long mile and runnin >Get at me with wit >How hiiiiiiiigh?! >Compress my breath >Undo the death >Headshell’s unbalanced >Chemcals and lubricants >Dusted air >Unclog the mix// >Cross fade >Beat change >Drop the weight >Great!? >You see the treble// >Voice my sample >Greasy pencils >Change a month for the journey inna day >Mark it >I.D. me inna Metropolis >Reciting scorchers at sun set > > > > >1425 Lawrence Y Braithwaite (aka Lord Patch) >New Palestine/Fernwood/The Hood >Victoria, BC > >___\ >Stay Strong\ >\ >"Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ >--Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ >\ >"This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ >of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ >--HellRazah\ >\ >"It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ >--Mutabartuka\ >\ >"Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ >-Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ >\ >http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ >\ >http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ >\ >http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ >\ >http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ >\ >} _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:50:48 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eileen Tabios Subject: THE ORACULAR SONNETS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MERITAGE PRESS ANNOUNCEMENT http://www.meritagepress.com Press Contact: Eileen R. Tabios MeritagePress@aol.com poets use artificial media to keep their words natural --from "The Oracular Sonnets" Meritage Press is thrilled to release the e-chapbook, The Oracular Sonnets,=20 an e-collaborative venture between New Zealand-born, Australian-based poet M= ark=20 Young and Finnish poet Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. Their collaboration may be=20 viewed at http://meritagepress.com/meritage.htm An interesting component of the e-chap are the "Afterwords" which replicates= =20 the underlying correspondence which show the birth of The Oracular Sonnets.=20= A=20 brief summary is provided below on Kervinen's and Young's approach which=20 relied on "templates" for poems generated by two computer programs. The poe= ts'=20 ideas befit Meritage Press' goal of seeking to expand fresh ways of featuri= ng=20 literary and other art forms (as noted in its founding vision statement):=20 "Meritage expects to publish a wide range of artists -- poets, writers, visu= al=20 artists, dancers, and performance artists. By acknowledging the multiplicity= of=20 aesthetic concerns, Meritage's interests necessarily encompass a variety of=20 disciplines -- politics, culture, identity, science, humor, religion, histor= y,=20 technology, philosophy and wine."(1) Last but not least, and speaking to Poetry's power that it even addresses th= e=20 ever-timely concern for world peace, The Oracular Sonnets became the project= =20 that launched the Finnish & Australasian Co-Prosperity Sphere. =20 Bionotes New Zealand-born, Australian-based Mark Young began publishing poetry=20 forty-five years ago, but went through a long period of silence from 1975 un= til the=20 last few years. His recent work has appeared in a wide range of print and=20 electronic journals, from Alba to zNine. He has published two previous books= of=20 poetry and a book on New Zealand painting. An e-book, calligraphies, is due=20= out=20 later this year. He maintains a primary weblog, pelican dreaming (2), but al= so=20 has his much-praised Series Magritte (3) which is an on-going collection of=20 poems inspired by the great Belgian painter Ren=E9 Magritte. His author's pa= ge at=20 the New Zealand electronic poetry centre (4) contains links to his on-line=20 work, essays, bibliography, photos, marginalia, etc. A composer as well as a poet, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen lives and writes in Espoo= ,=20 Finland. He is mainly interested in computer processing and manipulation of=20 text and language and has recently diversified into the creation of images=20 where the text has become secondary to the over-layering and/or use of colou= r=20 and/or phasing that now augment his work. Probably the leading practitioner=20= of=20 computer-manipulated poetry around today, his work has appeared in numerous=20 publications. His images can be seen at his weblog nonlinear poetry (5), his= =20 text-based work at textual conjectures (6). He is the editor of xStream (7),= and=20 also publishes the xPress(ed) (8) range of e-books. He has a composer's page= (9).=20 He has two recent e-books, #1-#46 (10) from Blazevox, and [div]versions (11)= =20 from Poetic Inhalation. The Links (1) http://meritagepress.com/about.htm (2) http://pelicandreaming.blogspot.com (3) http://seriesmagritte.blogspot.com (4) http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/authors/young (5) http://nonlinearpoetry.blogspot.com (6) http://textualconjectures.blogspot.com (7) http://xstream.xpressed.org (8) http://www.xpressed.org (9) http://xpressed.sfu-eu.org/kervinen (10) http://www.blazevox.org/books/jpk.htm (11) http://poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_jukka_divversions.pdf A true history of The Oracular Sonnets By Mark Young (7/9/04) =20 Saturday, April 10, 2004. I posted a piece to my pelican dreaming blog, A=20 poem beginning with a line from Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. Not a great poem, but=20= I=20 found humour in doing it, the title a pastiche of Robert Duncan's A poem=20 beginning with a line from Pindar plus Jukka's description of his work as no= nlinear=20 poetry. I'd been getting bombarded through my hotmail account with spam that= was=20 comprised of random words, generated by a program I thought probably similar= =20 to one of Jukka's, had used their subject lines to make a nonlinear poem of=20= my=20 own, so Jukka was occupying my thoughts at the time. We knew each other in the way that bloggers do. My first publication (apart=20 from a curated invitation) after I came back to writing was in a journal tha= t=20 also had him in it. We shared the same line in the spread-across-the-page in= dex=20 of authors. His is a name that is easily noticed; Jukka-Pekka like a ragged=20 mountain range, Kervinen like the valleys that slope down from them. Over th= e=20 next couple of years we appeared together several times. We both became=20 participants in the As/Is group blog, commented on one another's work from t= ime to=20 time. He accepted some poems of mine for xStream, then some more. We emaile= d=20 one another. I sent him a manuscript for his excellent xPress(ed) series. He= was=20 one of the first to put up a link when I started pelican dreaming. His=20 nonlinear poetry blog was the first link I put up on mine. The Friday after the post I got an email from him, acknowledging the poem,=20 giving me a bit of stick for my earlier remark that the content of the spam=20 emails was from his blog. & then, in brackets, almost as if it were an=20 afterthought, he mentioned that he had some 'intentionally unfinished' poems= , templates, & would I be interested in some collaborations. Would I? Sent back an=20 affirmative response, & received the first five the next morning. Within three hours the template beginning " n l rs se be a t d s a" had=20 become a poem that started "nearly seized & beaten, / but escaped through".=20= I=20 sent it off to him, to see if he liked it, to see if it was the way he wante= d=20 us to go. An excited email came back in the evening. Consensus. By that time= =20 I'd already done more. The next morning I sent an attachment containing eigh= t=20 poems off to him. There were poems provoked by the templates, incorporating the templates -=20 crossed out, written through, inverted, truncated -- & some having absolutel= y=20 nothing to do with them apart from being written within the same frenzied pe= riod.=20 At this point there was little sense of unity between the poems -- they were= =20 individual pieces, but amongst them the threads of chance, linkage & states=20= of=20 being. That evening -- it's a time zone thing, this morning/evening=20 Finland/Australia correspondence -- five more templates arrived. The first b= egan " r d s =20 se s a / o al" & from that came "roads seesaw towards the /=20 the oracle" fourteen lines in all, the first Oracular Sonnet. Now there was=20= an=20 overall framework, a direction. The creative frenzy continued. Chance=20 reinforced throughout. As example: I wanted to chop an existing sonnet in tw= o=20 vertically. Picked an anthology from the bookcase & the first sonnet I found= was=20 Yeats' Leda & The Swan, about beating wings. & one of the poems I had writte= n=20 stimulated by the first group of templates had the lines "of the / beating w= ings /=20 of words". It was one of those times when everything just fell into place. At 4.11 p.m. on the Monday evening, two & a half days after the first=20 templates arrived, the eighteen poem sequence of The Oracular Sonnets of Mar= k Young &=20 Jukka-Pekka Kervinen was on its way from Rockhampton to Espoo. Accompanied b= y=20 a tumultuous roll of drums, FAACOPS, the Finnish & Australasian Co-Prosperit= y=20 Sphere, had been launched. ******************************** MERITAGE PRESS PROJECTS (Since 2001) (More information at http://meritagepress.com) COLD WATER FLAT, Archie Rand & John Yau 100 MORE JOKES FROM THE BOOK OF THE DEAD, Archie Rand & John Yau er, um, Garret Caples & Hu Xin OPERA: Poems 1981-2002, Barry Schwabsky Veins, David Hess [WAYS], Barry Schwabsky & Hong Seung-Hye =20 Pinoy Poetics, ed. Nick Carbo Museum of Absences, by Luis H. Francia =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 04:07:25 -0700 Reply-To: ishaq1823@telus.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: [Project-news] CD release, Radical Folk of the Great North MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 37 years to the day Woody Guthrie died, Ravenhymn Productions presents the official CD release party for: RADICAL FOLK OF THE GREAT NORTH JOEY ONLY AND THE COMRADES sunday, october 3, 7:30, 324 cambie the afro-canadian restaurant Featuring the anarcho-folk and bluesy grass songs of a now guitarless Joey Only (guitar stolen!!). I have just finished putting together a record with Raven Hymn Productions called RADICAL FOLK OF THE GREAT NORTH. It is 9 of the most radical folk songs to ever touch on Canadian politics, all dedicated to the hardworkin radicals fighting to end capitalism. With songs such as ‘No One is Illegal’ ‘Fire on Anarchist Mountain’ and ‘Song for A BC Fightback’ you’ll laugh, cry and hopefully riot. At the release party we will have simplified versions of the CD on sale for $5, all the sounds of banjo, fiddle, harmonica, gang vocals, hand drums, piano and mandolin are worth it! With special guest performers: -David Roy Parsons, singing real working class folk songs. -Kamiya, young and talented young politico singer. -Lukka, veteran songwriter and gifted performer. -Joanna Chapman-Smith, the most underrated performer in town. PLUS: Andy Mason and the Tricksters, a full out rock’n folk show. (Still waiting for confirmation) The Flying Folk Army, Vancouver’s best known political folk act. With a valiant contribution on Radical Folk of the Great North by Folk Army fiddler Megan Adams. AND A SPECIAL FEATURE: the unveilling of Joey Only’s new punk rock act: THE ARRESTED. Vancouver’s newest most metalish punk rock trio. Singing anti-cop, fantastical, Lord of the Rings themed fighting songs at 130mph. Featuring songwriter Stiff Josh on guitar (axe) and vx, Sean Brophy on bass (battleaxe), and Joey Only on the wardrums. Destined to be a legend. A SHOW UNLIKE ANY OTHER!! Sunday October 3rd, 324 Cambie Street, the Afro-Canadian Restaurant basement doors open at 7:30PM, $5 suggested fee, no one turned away. SNEAK PREVIEW OF RADICAL FOLK OF THE GREAT NORTH AT: www.freewebs.com/joeyonly A RAVEN HYMN PRODUCTION www.ravenhymn.com http://www.freewebs.com/joeyonly _______________________________________________ Project-news mailing list Project-news@lists.resist.ca https://lists.resist.ca/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/project-news ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:13:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Well-known Cambridge Book Store Offers Rest Stop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Announcing: Well-known Harvard Square bookstore Wordsworth Books will for one night only on Thursday September 2 7-8.15pm offer free seats for weary shoppers in the popular Cambridge shopping district. The seats will be arranged in rows in the "Cooking" section on the lower level of the book store. Shoppers are invited to rest & meditate. A short poetry reading by Mairead Byrne & Andrea Werblin will also be provided for the entertainment of those taking advanatge of the scheme. "It's time something was done for shoppers," said spokesperson Jim Behrle. "We wanted to be the ones." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:16:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist Comments: To: saudade@COMCAST.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I liked your post, Ray, despite its extreme male-centricism. For my money, some of the most radical poets in the 20th century were female. I guess we all live in our own Poetry Magazine of the soul. Mairead >>> saudade@COMCAST.NET 08/29/04 11:14 AM >>> Here in Chicago on WGN Radio there is a great nighttime show called Extension 720 with Professor Milt Rosenberg of the University of Chicago. This show has art and book reviews and some of the most intelligent talk on commercial radio. Last Thursday he did his twice yearly Poetry program. One of his guests was Christian Wiman of "Poetry" Magazine and some other poet who lives here in Chicago whose work is so banal that I almost fell asleep driving home. It was two hours of the most banal, boring poetry it was like eating wonder bread drenched in velveeta. It was like a Saturday Night Live skit that wanted to make poetry so boring and so irrelevant as to be funny abd yet they were serious. They spent 25 minutes on Gerard Manley Hopkins (Whom I do Like),20 minutes on Phillip Larkin,it seemed like hours on Auden, a whole slew of Rhyming poets there was no mention of Pound, Williams, Olson, Ginsberg, Black Mountain, San Francisco Rennaissance, Spicer, Bernstein, Howe,Duncan,Ashbury Creeley. You would think in a city like Chicago with the number of experimental poets we have they could have got someone descent. There was not a mention of Slam either and Chicago is the birthplace of that form even if you dont like it it is a force here. The whole show could have been recorded in 1950 not 2004. Wiman even said that the great loss of late was the death of Donald Justice and that he is so influential, have I missed something, I had Justice at Iowa he is a nice man but influential? Anyway I thought it was interesting and it showed the state of Poetry Magazine (The Republican Party Rhyming). Why didn't Ruth Lilly submit to LANGUAGE and get rejected and then gave millions to Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews?!!!!!!!!!! RB Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:31:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Fascists Get Out (for a Broadway play) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Fascists Get Out (for a Broadway play) Republicans are here trying to take over the city. I want to see them dead. I can't help it. Every time I here a pro-Bush statement I have a visceral reaction. These bland faces violate women, gays, countries, blacks, everyone. Such happy God faces I want to see dead. I hate myself for hatred. I can't help it. All Republicans should get the welcome they deserve. They are walking our streets stinking up our polluted air. The thermal inversion layer is within eight feet of the ground. They will lower the thermal inversion layer to six feet. If I jump high enough I can breathe. Then I can spit at Republicans. I am a coward wishing for violence. Republicans understand violence. They are good at it. Beheaded Republicans for Iraqi beheadings. Exploded Republicans for Iraqi explosions. Hidden Republican deaths for media Iraqi sanitation squads. Destroyed Reagan and Nixon libraries for Iraqi library lootings. Wounded Republican children for wounded Iraqi boys and girls. (Now you don't like this poem.) Harsh light of media critique on every Republican pore. Every wounded animal and plant in polluted waters and clearcut forests. Bush bodies exploded with burning oil gushers out of every hole. I am a coward filled with hatred. I understand violence and run away and dream of it. Republicans are our conquerors and colonizers. Their Christ carries lies and missiles and their God invented anthrax. They will go to Heavens filled with done-up Republicans. Listen Republicans, New York curses your days and nights. Republicans, you have taken your ears off, now take off. (Go home, the poem is over.) _ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:37:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Personally- My favorite poet is Muriel Rukeyser & I would have to ask, what would constitute "experimental"? For example, I would consider the strength & ability to create a visual motion (not stagnation) in her work & then to live her life almost as the same kind of expression (of independance?) as extremely experimental. I read have read so much of her collected works that they are starting to be burned into my memory, but I don't think she ever stopped to say that she was using this or that technique (even if she was)... for all intensive purposes she just called it writing. Are we talking about utilizing techniques to say "experimental" & thus discounting experience itself or are we simply illustrating the poor quality of poets who say direct experience is everything? I can almost taste the cheesiness of that Chicago poetry. Peace, Ian VanHeusen Unstable definitions have more fun stirring the pot >From: Mairead Byrne >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 13:16:42 -0400 > >I liked your post, Ray, despite its extreme male-centricism. For my >money, some of the most radical poets in the 20th century were female. >I guess we all live in our own Poetry Magazine of the soul. >Mairead > > >>> saudade@COMCAST.NET 08/29/04 11:14 AM >>> >Here in Chicago on WGN Radio there is a great nighttime show called >Extension 720 with Professor Milt Rosenberg of the University of >Chicago. >This show has art and book reviews and some of the most intelligent talk >on >commercial radio. Last Thursday he did his twice yearly Poetry program. > >One of his guests was Christian Wiman of "Poetry" Magazine and some >other >poet who lives here in Chicago whose work is so banal that I almost fell >asleep driving home. It was two hours of the most banal, boring poetry >it >was like eating wonder bread drenched in velveeta. It was like a >Saturday >Night Live skit that wanted to make poetry so boring and so irrelevant >as to >be funny abd yet they were serious. > >They spent 25 minutes on Gerard Manley Hopkins (Whom I do Like),20 >minutes >on Phillip Larkin,it seemed like hours on Auden, a whole slew of Rhyming >poets there was no mention of Pound, Williams, Olson, Ginsberg, Black >Mountain, San Francisco Rennaissance, Spicer, Bernstein, >Howe,Duncan,Ashbury >Creeley. You would think in a city like Chicago with the number of >experimental poets we have they could have got someone descent. There >was >not a mention of Slam either and Chicago is the birthplace of that form >even >if you dont like it it is a force here. The whole show could have been >recorded in 1950 not 2004. > >Wiman even said that the great loss of late was the death of Donald >Justice >and that he is so influential, have I missed something, I had Justice at >Iowa he is a nice man but influential? Anyway I thought it was >interesting >and it showed the state of Poetry Magazine (The Republican Party >Rhyming). > >Why didn't Ruth Lilly submit to LANGUAGE and get rejected and then gave >millions to Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews?!!!!!!!!!! > >RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Raymond L Bianchi >chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ >collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:38:34 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Haas Bianchi Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist Comments: To: Mairead Byrne In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit M You are totally right Mairead, and I kicked myself after I posted it on the List- I love your work, Lisa Jarnot, Sina Queyras, Liz Willis, Jen Hofer, Catherine Daly, Stacy Szymazcek and many others and I apologize for my sexism. I think that allot of "experimental" male poets worship at the altar of "our" experimental poets and forget others I admit I did this and I am embarrassed at myself. I do believe in growth and redemptions however so hopefully I can be saved? RB Raymond L Bianchi chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Mairead Byrne [mailto:mbyrne@risd.edu] > Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 12:17 PM > To: saudade@COMCAST.NET; POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > > > I liked your post, Ray, despite its extreme male-centricism. For my > money, some of the most radical poets in the 20th century were female. > I guess we all live in our own Poetry Magazine of the soul. > Mairead > > >>> saudade@COMCAST.NET 08/29/04 11:14 AM >>> > Here in Chicago on WGN Radio there is a great nighttime show called > Extension 720 with Professor Milt Rosenberg of the University of > Chicago. > This show has art and book reviews and some of the most intelligent talk > on > commercial radio. Last Thursday he did his twice yearly Poetry program. > > One of his guests was Christian Wiman of "Poetry" Magazine and some > other > poet who lives here in Chicago whose work is so banal that I almost fell > asleep driving home. It was two hours of the most banal, boring poetry > it > was like eating wonder bread drenched in velveeta. It was like a > Saturday > Night Live skit that wanted to make poetry so boring and so irrelevant > as to > be funny abd yet they were serious. > > They spent 25 minutes on Gerard Manley Hopkins (Whom I do Like),20 > minutes > on Phillip Larkin,it seemed like hours on Auden, a whole slew of Rhyming > poets there was no mention of Pound, Williams, Olson, Ginsberg, Black > Mountain, San Francisco Rennaissance, Spicer, Bernstein, > Howe,Duncan,Ashbury > Creeley. You would think in a city like Chicago with the number of > experimental poets we have they could have got someone descent. There > was > not a mention of Slam either and Chicago is the birthplace of that form > even > if you dont like it it is a force here. The whole show could have been > recorded in 1950 not 2004. > > Wiman even said that the great loss of late was the death of Donald > Justice > and that he is so influential, have I missed something, I had Justice at > Iowa he is a nice man but influential? Anyway I thought it was > interesting > and it showed the state of Poetry Magazine (The Republican Party > Rhyming). > > Why didn't Ruth Lilly submit to LANGUAGE and get rejected and then gave > millions to Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews?!!!!!!!!!! > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond L Bianchi > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:54:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kari edwards Subject: Please TAKE ACTION NOW!!!! In-Reply-To: <001801c48def$027c0980$59e70f18@attbi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please TAKE ACTION NOW!!!! please forward concerning the articles (see below). Lakeview prostitution sting yields 19 arrests By Imran Vittachi Tribune staff reporter, August 29, 2004 & 20 nabbed in prostitution sting -- 15 men dressed as women BY CHERYL V. JACKSON Staff Reporter these news "articles" ARE an egresses act of violence. NOT only are trans folkz and unprotect GROUP OF PEOPLE who lack adequate heath care and social services; MANY are unable to get employment during transition and ARE reduced to prostitution; leading to arrests, humiliation and shame or worse. BUT, these reporters found it necessary to DOUBLE-signify these individuals as men in dresses... then go on to describe them as transgenders in transition.. this is overt hate language if I have ever seen it... when will this gendercentric hetronormative social oppression stop . . . and when will there be adequate employment and social support for all people..? when will capitalism's evol stop enforcing "the other" (female) woman into prostitution, AND when will it stop arresting those who are trying to survive...? when will reporters stop leading readers into voyeuristic aspect of the other reduced by feminization... when will feminist see that this is an act of violence on woman as well, and demand an end to it...? thank you kari edwards http://transdada.blogspot.com/ ***** Please take action now!!! http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/site/chi-newspaperemail.story E-mail the staff of the Chicago Tribune Ann Marie Lipinski, Editor ctc-editor@tribune.com Imran Vittachi IVittachi@tribune.com http://www.suntimes.com/index/commentary.html Chicago Sun Times letters@suntimes.com Lakeview prostitution sting yields 19 arrests By Imran Vittachi Tribune staff reporter http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi- 0408290006aug29,1,4425336.story?coll=chi-newslocalchicago-hed Nineteen suspected prostitutes, four of them women, were nabbed in the sting. The rest were men in drag and others who were undergoing sex changes, Waldera said. Of the 19 arrested, 18 were charged with prostitution, a misdemeanor, and one was charged with being caught for prostitution more than once, a felony, said Chicago police spokeswoman JoAnn Taylor. ~~~~ 20 nabbed in prostitution sting -- 15 men dressed as women BY CHERYL V. JACKSON Staff Reporter http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sting29.html A prostitution sting in the midst of a near-blinding rainstorm early Saturday netted 20 arrests on the North Side -- including 15 men dressed as women, Chicago Police said. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:22:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Dissension Convention- A Transatlantic Collaborative Multimedia Protest Jam : REMINDER MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed --------------------------------- Dissension Convention =====================> A Transatlantic Collaborative Multimedia Protest Jam 29th August- 2nd September 2004 http://www.furtherfield.org/dissensionconvention/ =====================> Coinciding with the Republican Convention in New York, 10 pairs ofnet/digital artists, from the Americas and Europe, will create live,online multimedia performances with a focus on how Bush negativelyinfluences every locality around the world with his bullshit. These will be projected at RNC NODE, Postmasters Gallery as well as byother appointed NY platforms in 'store windows, bars' 5 days of live mix performances, online in real-time from 29th August-2nd September between 12noon and 6pm (NY time) via Furtherfield'sVisitorsStudio http://www.furtherstudio.org/live If you are viewing from home you can visit versions mirrored on theartists' websites (check project URL for updates) * If you wish to mirror this event on your site please target this filehttp://www.furtherstudio.org/live/dissensionconvention.swf =====================> The Programme- Participants =====================> Sunday 29th August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Maya Kalogera & Marc Garrett 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Moport.org & Glowlab.org Monday 30th August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Chris Webb & Sim (Soy.de) 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Lewis Lacook & Alan Sondheim, SheilaMurphy [tbc] & Jason Nelson [tbc] Tuesday 31st August 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Helen Varley Jamieson & Karla Ptacek 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Joseph and Donna McElroy Wednesday 1st September 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Neil Jenkins & Roger Mills 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Digitofagia vs. Autolabs Thursday 2nd September 4-7pm NY (9-12pm BST) Michael Szpakowski & Ruth Catlow 7-10pm NY (12-3am BST) Ryan Griffis & Mark Cooley =====================> Postmasters Gallery is creating RNC NODE, a way-station, serving as aphysical node of an ad-hock public broadcasting, a system of online,real time protest performances and alternative news actions. All onlinestreams will also be output in local bars and projections from windows.DissensionConvention will be part of this programme. Be a part of the network! http://www.postmastersart.com/RNC_NY.html>>>> for instructions. (active from 23rd August) DissensionConvention is a Furtherfield Projecthttp://www.furtherfield.org =====================> --netbehaviour is an open email list community for sharing ideas,platforming art and net projects and facilitating collaborations.let's explore the potentials of this global network.this is just the beginning.to unsubscribe send mail to majordomo@netbehaviour.orgwith "unsubscribe list" in the body of the message ===== *************************************************************************** Lewis LaCook -->http://www.lewislacook.com/ XanaxPop:Mobile Poem Blog-> http://www.lewislacook.com/xanaxpop/ Collective Writing Projects--> The Wiki--> http://www.lewislacook.com/wiki/ Appendix M ->http://www.lewislacook.com/AppendixM/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 14:10:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: My Own Hunger Strike MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My Own Hunger Strike By Ramzy Baroud - August 29, 2004 Today I will fast in solidarity with 2,800 Palestinian political prisoners currently carrying out a hunger strike in 10 Israeli jails. Those prisoners are not 'murderers' as Israeli officials are describing them, but courageous individuals who have endured for the sake of freedom and liberty, principles that most of us only understand as clichés and mindless slogans. It is disheartening that those striking men and women, whose only fault was resisting the degraded policies of the Israeli state and its perpetual occupation of Palestinian land, have been forgotten for this long. It's equally painful to see how the prisoners have downscaled their demands. In past hunger strikes, they called for freedom, or at least for their plight to be recognized by Israeli and Palestinian officials. Today they are merely demanding an end to the humiliating strip searches by their Israeli prison guards, longer visiting hours with their families and improved sanitation. Such simple demands should not require the invoking of the Fourth Geneva Convention or the United Nations Charter on Human Rights. But for Israel, even such requests are outlandish. The Israeli government has in fact declared its hospitals off-limits to ailing strikers. "I am not prepared for there to be a situation where the lives of patients and medical teams are endangered in our hospitals as a result of having to admit these murderers," Health Minister Danny Naveh told the Israeli Army Radio on August 24. A few days earlier, another cabinet member and a member of Ariel Sharon's right wing Likud Party, Public Security Minister Tzahi Hanegbi responded to the strikers and their supposed 'excessive' demands by declaring that he didn't care if the prisoners starved to death. But since these captive men and women (including many children) have no other choice but to keep their demands to a minimum, I don't see why I should. I am not in Israeli custody; nor do I live at the mercy of Naveh and Hanegbi who would let me starve to death before they fix the sewer in my solitary confinement. Because I am not under the thumb of the Likud party and its repressive regime, I decided to go to the extreme with my hunger strike demands list. I demand the immediate release of every Palestinian political prisoner, woman, man and child. Until such demands are secured, Israel should completely cease every act of torture committed against my brothers and sisters in torture chambers across Israel and the West Bank. I demand that their dignity be respected and honor preserved, if not for the sake of simple humanity, then because of the Geneva Convention's provisions regarding prisoners of war. I demand that the international community, lead by the United Nations and the Red Cross exhaust every avenue necessary to ensure that the Israeli government stops using prisoners as a bargaining chip in its political coercion campaign against the Palestinian Authority, to ensure the implementation of international treaties on the question of prisoners' rights, and to enforce equally compelling sanctions on Israel if it fails to live up to such responsibilities, as recognized by international law. I demand international human rights groups to continue monitoring the Israeli infringement on prisoners' rights and to make those findings widely available to educate people and influence international policies, and so that people around the world might press their governments to see that Israel puts an end to its unlawful practices. I demand that the United States government stop using my tax money to arm the Israeli occupation forces with bullets, tear gas, riot-gear and other deadly means to subdue Palestinian prisoners during freedom riots. (Side note: I also demand the US government stop using Israeli interrogators to pass on their treacherous torture techniques so that they might be used on Iraqis and other political prisoners around the world.) I demand Arab and Muslim governments to stop paying lip service to the Palestinian cause and to quit holding fancy dinner banquets in the honor of deprived orphans and suffering widows. Instead, I urge them to achieve a collective, perpetual and meaningful campaign, supporting the Palestinian struggle in alliance with all forces of peace around the world. (Side note: I also demand that they release their own political prisoners, especially the last cohort of political prisoners detained by Mauritanian police for protesting in support of Palestinian prisoners on this most recent hunger strike.) I demand that the PA and it's ruling Fatah party quit their inner fighting and meaningless power struggle, especially since they have acquired neither political nor territorial sovereignty to begin with. I demand that they remain focused on the collective self-determination of their people and that they side with the freedom deprived prisoners. (Side note: By siding with the freedom-deprived prisoners, I am not suggesting that empty and superficial speeches be read on the news day and night, but a unified national agenda coupled with a realistic vision to bring an end to the suffering of captive Palestinians.) I petition myself to remember that at any given moment, there is a Palestinian man or woman, stripped and humiliated, beaten while hanging from a rusty and damp ceiling, somewhere in Israel, handcuffed, shackled and blindfolded, yet refusing to be subdued, all because he or she attempted to protect a village, a people, a past, an idea, a fleeting dream. I demand that I imprint on my own heart, the pain endured in those lonely cells and the pain of thousands confined by the greater prison wall that is sucking the life out of the West Bank and Gaza. Lest I forget, I declare my own hunger strike. Ramzy Baroud is a veteran Arab-American journalist. A regular columnist in many English and Arabic publications, he is editor-in-chief of PalestineChronicle.com and head of Research & Studies Department at Aljazeera.net English. He can be reached via e-mail at: ramzy5@aol.com ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:19:10 -0400 Reply-To: patrick@proximate.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "patrick@proximate.org" Subject: SF? NYC? No. CARRBORO Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Last week I found two of my poems translated on a Dutch poetry site. And now, Tony Tost, another resident of little Carrboro, North Carolina, is the current poet featured on the 'Poeziepamflet' website. http://www.poeziepamflet.nl/index.html How 'bout that? Oddly enough, three of the five poets at the top of the front page of Poeziepamflet are current or former residents of North Carolina who recently read at the Carrboro Poetry Festival. You can find audio here: http://tinyurl.com/2mhj7 A while back Joe Donahue was half-joking about the sudden appearance of poetic activity in Carrboro and called it the "Carrboro Renaissance." Joe, I still think it's hilarious. Patrick Patrick Herron http://proximate.org/works.htm ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:29:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've noticed that among almost all of the participants in our online discussions, "experimentalism" is usually upheld as a virtue in and of itself. But in just about any other field--science, say--experimentation is a means to an end, and can only be judged once the experiment is considered as a failure or a success. I also have a preference for the edgy, but I'm also hesitant to put experimentation for its own sake on a pedestal. Experimentation has led to some of the greatest writing ever, but it's also led to some of the worst (I can't read Gertrude Stein, or E. E. Cummings, or a lot of what LANGUAGE has produced; I'm sure others could come up with their own examples of experimentalists they hate, and maybe even traditionalists--if that's an appropriate binary--they like). But while I'd want someone from a magazine like Poetry (if not Poetry itself) to address Olson, Spicer, Duncan, Creeley, Rukeyser, Levertov, and, why not, Hejinian, in addition to Hopkins, Larkin, Auden, and rhyming poets, as well as Slam, I wouldn't want a magazine like Poetry to discuss the avant-garde instead of the old guard. Poetry Magazine uses a line in some of its advertisements that reads something like, "the history of poetry in America and Poetry in America are virtually indistinguishable". From a technical viewpoint, this can't ever really be true. But if you keep in mind the sense that "history is written by the victors", then of course it's true. And that means that Poetry Magazine locks the canon in place. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have the "experimentalist", the "avant-garde", the edgy, not have to be beholden to being in the canon. And for what it's worth, I'm afraid that LANGUAGE poetry, as a specifically determinative avant-garde style, is running really close to that borderline already. How would they write if they had a hundred million dollars from a pharmaceuticals heiress? The summer after I graduated from high school in Chicago I interned at Poetry Magazine for three months. I didn't know much about Poetry, really, except that it had published the great Modernists once upon a time. It isn't the magazine that it once was, and its position in the world of literary journals has changed dramatically, but that doesn't mean it doesn't still hold a valuable position. If nothing else, the mainstay mainstream canon exists to keep the rest of us something to focus on and write against. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haas Bianchi" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:20 AM Subject: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > Here in Chicago on WGN Radio there is a great nighttime show called > Extension 720 with Professor Milt Rosenberg of the University of Chicago. > This show has art and book reviews and some of the most intelligent talk on > commercial radio. Last Thursday he did his twice yearly Poetry program. > > One of his guests was Christian Wiman of "Poetry" Magazine and some other > poet who lives here in Chicago whose work is so banal that I almost fell > asleep driving home. It was two hours of the most banal, boring poetry it > was like eating wonder bread drenched in velveeta. It was like a Saturday > Night Live skit that wanted to make poetry so boring and so irrelevant as to > be funny abd yet they were serious. > > They spent 25 minutes on Gerard Manley Hopkins (Whom I do Like),20 minutes > on Phillip Larkin,it seemed like hours on Auden, a whole slew of Rhyming > poets there was no mention of Pound, Williams, Olson, Ginsberg, Black > Mountain, San Francisco Rennaissance, Spicer, Bernstein, Howe,Duncan,Ashbury > Creeley. You would think in a city like Chicago with the number of > experimental poets we have they could have got someone descent. There was > not a mention of Slam either and Chicago is the birthplace of that form even > if you dont like it it is a force here. The whole show could have been > recorded in 1950 not 2004. > > Wiman even said that the great loss of late was the death of Donald Justice > and that he is so influential, have I missed something, I had Justice at > Iowa he is a nice man but influential? Anyway I thought it was interesting > and it showed the state of Poetry Magazine (The Republican Party Rhyming). > > Why didn't Ruth Lilly submit to LANGUAGE and get rejected and then gave > millions to Charles Bernstein and Bruce Andrews?!!!!!!!!!! > > RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raymond L Bianchi > chicagopostmodernpoetry.com/ > collagepoetchicago.blogspot.com/ > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 01:42:40 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait a minute! What? Are you saying anyone you hate is writing the worst writing ever? Or that anyone hates? Criterion? If we're talking experimental science then we need criteria for judgements and conclusions Hate whom you wish; but that proves nothing For instance, I don't much like EEC either, but he's far from the worst; and much of Stein is wonderful & I'm not sure she was experimenting. She was just writing; and I am glad she was It's not clear to me what you are saying L -----Original Message----- From: Lucas Klein To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: 30 August 2004 01:31 Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > Experimentation has led to >some of the greatest writing ever, but it's also led to some of the worst (I >can't read Gertrude Stein, or E. E. Cummings, or a lot of what LANGUAGE has >produced; I'm sure others could come up with their own examples of >experimentalists they hate, and maybe even traditionalists--if that's an >appropriate binary--they like). ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:45:32 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Austinwja@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Vendler on why we should study the arts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/29/04 10:37:29 AM, khehir@CS.MUN.CA writes: << Who are the National Endowment for the Humanities? How are they different than the NEA? Inquiring Canadians want to know. kevin >> NEA = dollars for artists NEH = dollars for scholars WilliamJamesAustin.com kojapress.com amazon.com b&n.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:52:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Allegrezza Subject: new _moria_ and cfp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the summer issue of _moria_ is finally online. www.moriapoetry.com it contains poetry by: camille martin, a. di michele, deborah meadows, mark young, arlene ang, raymond biachi, kerri sonnenberg, claudia alonzo, skip fox, thomas taylor, ruth danon, james maughn, andrew lundwall and jeanie smith, and david huntsperger. it also contains reviews on kari edwards, hal sirowitz, and nathaniel mackey by: eileen tabios, rodney robinson, and anny ballardini. as always, i'm looking for poetry and reviews for the fall issue. plus, i'm really interested in receiving some poetic theory articles. bill allegrezza www.moriapoetry.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:10:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: This Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This Alan Sondheim = avant-garde This Alan Sondheim = edgy This Alan Sondheim = experimental This Alan Sondheim = poetics This Alan Sondheim = experimentalist This Alan Sondheim = This Alan Sondheim WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt recent http://www.asondheim.org/ http://www.asondheim.org/portal http://www.asondheim.org/portal/.nikuko __ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 23:46:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit direct experience is everything just depends on how you add it to the mix ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:11:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lucas Klein Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you really think I'm saying that anyone I hate is "the worst ever"? As much as I'd love to have my opinion be objective stone-carved fact, I am suggesting only that all of us can surely agree that a lot of experimental writing is bad writing. That doesn't mean we agree on who those writers are, or what experimental writing is, or what bad writing is. But it does mean that experimentalism shouldn't be a goal in itself. If it's a means to a goal, then great. But writing for the sake of experimentalism gives us writing no better or worse than writing for the sake of rhyme, or tradition, or laundry detergent. Two points, simply stated: In the broad sense, any writing is experimental, and any writing is judged--and valued--by the success of that experiment, not on its existsnce. And if avant-garde writing were somehow to take over as the mainstream, it would create the same kinds of schisms and disappointments amongst the few of us who care about literature anyway as the current Official Verse Culture does. I was specifically trying not to come off as dogmatic in mentioning 'bad writing' next to 'my tastes'. And yet I still manage to be read that way. Lucas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lawrence Upton" To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:42 PM Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > Wait a minute! > > What? > > Are you saying anyone you hate is writing the worst writing ever? > > Or that anyone hates? > > Criterion? If we're talking experimental science then we need criteria for > judgements and conclusions > > Hate whom you wish; but that proves nothing > > For instance, I don't much like EEC either, but he's far from the worst; and > much of Stein is wonderful & I'm not sure she was experimenting. She was > just writing; and I am glad she was > > It's not clear to me what you are saying > > L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lucas Klein > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Date: 30 August 2004 01:31 > Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > > > Experimentation has led to > >some of the greatest writing ever, but it's also led to some of the worst > (I > >can't read Gertrude Stein, or E. E. Cummings, or a lot of what LANGUAGE has > >produced; I'm sure others could come up with their own examples of > >experimentalists they hate, and maybe even traditionalists--if that's an > >appropriate binary--they like). > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 02:19:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: This Alan Sondheim MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit enough w/all this experimentation bullshit it's not experimental maybe anew kind od experiential is there such a dog no oneis hereto for unlessun clownin i learn so much from all of you thanks...... ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 07:58:38 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lawrence Upton Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Lucas Very glad to hear. I didn't really think that's what you meant to say, but it could have been taken that way; so I thought I'd chip in. I agree with you totally about the acceptance of _experimental work_ - I see schisms etc developing in areas that were previous outlaw and communal as some experiments are being accepted into the mainstream - point scoring, competitive edge trickery.... it's sad L -----Original Message----- From: Lucas Klein To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Date: 30 August 2004 07:13 Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist >Do you really think I'm saying that anyone I hate is "the worst ever"? > >As much as I'd love to have my opinion be objective stone-carved fact, I am >suggesting only that all of us can surely agree that a lot of experimental >writing is bad writing. That doesn't mean we agree on who those writers are, >or what experimental writing is, or what bad writing is. But it does mean >that experimentalism shouldn't be a goal in itself. If it's a means to a >goal, then great. But writing for the sake of experimentalism gives us >writing no better or worse than writing for the sake of rhyme, or tradition, >or laundry detergent. > >Two points, simply stated: > >In the broad sense, any writing is experimental, and any writing is >judged--and valued--by the success of that experiment, not on its existsnce. > >And if avant-garde writing were somehow to take over as the mainstream, it >would create the same kinds of schisms and disappointments amongst the few >of us who care about literature anyway as the current Official Verse Culture >does. > >I was specifically trying not to come off as dogmatic in mentioning 'bad >writing' next to 'my tastes'. And yet I still manage to be read that way. > >Lucas > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lawrence Upton" >To: >Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:42 PM >Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist > > >> Wait a minute! >> >> What? >> >> Are you saying anyone you hate is writing the worst writing ever? >> >> Or that anyone hates? >> >> Criterion? If we're talking experimental science then we need criteria for >> judgements and conclusions >> >> Hate whom you wish; but that proves nothing >> >> For instance, I don't much like EEC either, but he's far from the worst; >and >> much of Stein is wonderful & I'm not sure she was experimenting. She was >> just writing; and I am glad she was >> >> It's not clear to me what you are saying >> >> L >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lucas Klein >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Date: 30 August 2004 01:31 >> Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist >> >> > Experimentation has led to >> >some of the greatest writing ever, but it's also led to some of the worst >> (I >> >can't read Gertrude Stein, or E. E. Cummings, or a lot of what LANGUAGE >has >> >produced; I'm sure others could come up with their own examples of >> >experimentalists they hate, and maybe even traditionalists--if that's an >> >appropriate binary--they like). >> >> >> > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 09:55:41 -0400 Reply-To: Mike Kelleher Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mike Kelleher Organization: Just Buffalo Literary Center Subject: JUST BUFFALO E-NEWSLETTER 08-30-04 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JUST ADDED TO NOV. 12 READING WITH BRENDAN LORBER AND SASHA STEENSEN: THE FABULOUSLY MULTI-TALENTED JULIE PATON In the Hibiscus Room at Just Buffalo, Fri. Nov. 12., 8 p.m. IF ALL OF BUFFALO READ THE SAME BOOK: ARUNDHATI ROY COMES TO BUFFALO SEPT. 8-9 TICKETS ON SALE NOW!!! We are expecting tickets to sell out, so get them while they're still around. CALL 716.832.5400 to purchase by phone. Pick them up today at Just Buffalo or Talking Leaves Books (both locations). SCHEDULE OF EVENTS On "The God of Small Things" Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 8 p.m. Unitarian Universalist Church, 695 Elmwood Avenue, Corner of Ferry, in Buffalo. Admission $10. Hear Arundhati Roy read from her Booker Prize-winning novel and answer questions from the audience about the book. Co-sponsored by the Women's Studies Department at SUNY Buffalo. "Meet and Greet" Book Signing with Arundhati Roy Thursday, September 9, 2004 12-2 p.m. Talking Leaves Bookstore, 3158 Main St., Buffalo. Free. Come get your book signed and say hello to Arundhati Roy at Buffalo's finest independent bookstore. "Another World is Possible: A Conversation with Arundhati Roy," moderated by Amy Goodman. Thursday, September 9, 2004, 8 p.m. First Presbyterian Church, One Symphony Circle, Across from Kleinhahn's Music Hall, Admission, $10. In addition to being a great writer, Arundhati Roy is also recognized worldwide as an essayist and vigilant voice in the ongoing struggle against political and economic oppression. Come hear her discuss her work in the global political arena with Democracy Now host, Amy Goodman. Books will be for sale at both events from Talking Leaves Books. The reader's guide for this year's book, The God of Small Things, by Arundhati Roy, is now available as a free download on the Just Buffalo website. Sponsors of this year's event include The National Endowment for the Arts, Parkview Health Services, The Women's Studies Department at UB, 10,000 Villages, Buffalo State College, Talking Leaves Books, The New York State Council on the Arts, Erie County Cultural Funding, Rigidized Metals, Reid Petroleum and Harlequin Books. SPECIAL SCREENING AND VIDEO PRESENTATION TO FOLLOW ARUNDHATI ROY'S VISIT DROWNED OUT & A/S/L Friday, September 10, 8 p.m. Squeaky Wheel, 175 Elmwood Avenue tel: 716.884.7172 for more info $6 general, $5 members of Squeaky Wheel, Hallwalls & Just Buffalo A Co-presentation of Hallwalls, Squeaky Wheel and Just Buffalo DROWNED OUT Directed by Franny Armstrong (2002, 75 min., UK) Armstrong's documentary presents audiences with the three choices faced by the people of Jalsindhim in central India: move to the slums in the city, accept a place at a resettlement site or stay at home and drown. They must make a decision fast. In the next few weeks, their village will disappear underwater as the giant Narmada Dam fills. Bestselling author Arundhati Roy joins the fight against the dam and asks the difficult questions: Will the water go to poor farmers or to rich industrialists? What happened to the 16 million people displaced by fifty years of dam building? Why should I care? A/S/L A Video+Text Installation from India's Raqs Media Collective A/S/L (Age/Sex/Location) is a video+text installation on the lives of women workers in the online data outsourcing industry in India. The installation is a meditation on this, new gendered geography of online labour, on the everyday journeys into cyberspace that hundreds of thousands of labouring women make across the world. It is a document and a dramatization of the questions that surround these daily migrations between online and off-line worlds. It addresses the viewer with video, text and sound within the framework of an on site installation. FALL EVENT SPOTLIGHT: Writer's Group Reading Series, Hosted By Karen Lewis Featuring the DCW's Friday, October 29, 8 p.m. The roots of the DCW writing group dig deep into the spring of 1991. Karen Lewis attended a beginning writer's workshop led by Susan Anner under the auspices of Just Buffalo Literary Center at the Calumet. At the conclusion of the workshop the group moved the meeting location to the Arts Council. Subsequently a small group of writers, including Maureen O'Connor, decided to get together independently-paying Susan to moderate group meetings. Susan 's heavy teaching schedule eventually brought about her departure and the collective decided to gather their words at Maureen's house and share the responsibilities of leadership. Since that time they have met once a month to discuss/critique previously submitted material. Their group process is grounded in a supportive, encouraging, fun loving atmosphere. They value craft, both traditional and experimental, and work to improve their skills as writers. Most importantly they give and receive honest feedback through passionate discourse that is rooted in friendship. They don't publicly divulge the meaning behind the mysterious acronym DCW. Although they do enjoy being alternately referred to as a feminist cabal, a sorority, the PBSDPWKRP group, and even a coven, they really enjoy the prose poem bios that Livio Farallo creates for them best. The DCW's are: Karen Lewis is a contributing editor of Traffic East Magazine and a teaching artist for Just Buffalo Literary Center. She hosts the Writing Group reading series. Karen's poetry, photography, short fiction and book reviews have been published throughout the US and Canada, most recently in Stirring, Moondance, Gypsy Magazine, and The Niagara Current. Maureen O'Connor is a member of the International Women's Writing Guild. She has been published in anthologies, including The Shadow's Imprint; forthcoming work will appear in The Niagara Current. Jennifer Tappenden is a health care professional whose avocation is poetry. Originally from Rochester, she earned her BA in English from the University at Buffalo. Jennifer is a contributing editor for Traffic East Magazine and a co-host for the local public access television show Truckstop Intellectuals. Ironically, she refuses to own a television. Mary O'Herron is an art therapist, addictions counselor and builder of labyrinths. Her poetry has appeared in The Buffalo News. She's been a member of the DCW's for 6 years. Amy Christman is a librarian and a poet and is nearing completion of her training as a Certified Poetry Therapist. She has facilitated book discussion groups and journal writing workshops for teens and adults. A collection of her poetry appears in Scribing the Soul: Essays in Journal Therapy by Kathleen Adams. Claudia Torres hates biographies. She is the newest member of the group. She loves the DCW's because "they don't taunt you and insult you to your face and they don't change the nature of your stuff. The group mentality forces you to work to whip something into submission. And we eat delicious pastries and fruit." Claudia hosts "Truckstop Intellectuals" for HOTF-TV. SNEAK PEAK AT FALL READINGS IN THE HIBISCUS ROOM September 1: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo September 24: Dan Sicoli and Joe Malvestuto, music and poetry October 8 or 15: Jimmie Gilliam and Rosemary Starace October 13: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo October 22: Balkan Poetry: Ales Debeljak, Ammiel Alcalay, Semezdin Mehmedinovic October 29: Writers Group Reading Series, hosted by Karen Lewis presents: The DCW's. November 10: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo, featuring Alamgir Hashmi November 12: Brendan Lorber, Sasha Steensen Julie Paton December 8: Open Reading, hosted by Livio Farallo FALL WORLD OF VOICES Residencies: October 21-27: Ales Debeljak November 29- December 3: Frances Richey JOYCE CAROLYN'S CORNER IN SEPTEMBER BUFFALO CATS Saturday, September 25, 3-5 p.m., Burchfield Penney Arts Center at Buffalo State College $10, $8 students/seniors, $6 members Just Buffalo proudly presents a celebration of Buffalo-born artists. Nationally and internationally recognized writers, musicians and visual artists born in Buffalo will return to their hometown for this special, one-show-only engagement. Featuring Buffalo fiction writer Gary Earl Ross, saxophonist Reynolds Scott and visual artist James Pappas. FALL WORKSHOPS Playwriting Basics, with Kurt Schneiderman 6 Tuesdays, October 5-November 9, 7-9 p.m. $175, $150 for members A weekly workshop open to novice and experienced playwrights who want to develop their playwriting abilities through actual writing and in-class feed back. Bring in new or old work to be read aloud and critiqued by everyone involved in the workshop. Course will include readings from various classic theatre texts and discussion of playwriting structure and theory. You can expect to emerge from this course with some written and workshopped dialogue, and with an introduction to the overall theoretical framework for dramatic writing. Kurt Schneiderman is currently Dramaturg for the Buffalo Ensemble Theatre, the coordinator of the annual new play competition at the Area Playwrights' Performance Series, and Director of the new play, forum Play Readings & Stuff. Named one of "Buffalo's emerging young playwrights" by Gusto Magazine and Buffalo's "next A.R. Gurney" by Artvoice Magazine, Kurt was the winner of the Helen Mintz Award for Best New Play (2003) and was nominated for the Artie Award for Outstanding New Play (2004). Most recently, one of Kurt's plays was chosen for the 2004 Toronto Fringe Festival. Writing For Children and Teenagers, with Harriet K. Feder 4 Saturdays Oct 2, 9, 23, 30, 12 p.m. - 2 p.m. $135, $110 for members Is that story for kids you long to write cowering inside your head? Is it gasping for air beneath the clutter in your desk? Then it's time to come out of the drawer. Learn to capture your readers with an intriguing "Hook;" build Believable Characters; use a single Point Of View, Identify a Conflict, Show Rather Than Tell and Market your work to an editor. Harriet K. Feder, a former editor of Tom Thumb's Magazine and instructor for the Institute of Children's Literature has published books for everyone from toddlers to teens in the US and abroad.. Her most recent young adult novel, Death On Sacred Ground was a 2002 nominee for both Edgar and Agatha awards; a Sidney Taylor Notable Book; a Children's Literature Choice; and a New York Public Library Teen Choice. Her writing has won her a Woman of Accomplishment Legacy Project Award along with such other Western New York notables as Lucille Ball, Joyce Carol Oates, Virginia Kroll, and Gerda Klein. She is a member of the Society of Children's Book Writers and Illustrators, Mystery Writers of America, Sisters in Crime, Author's Guild, and Pennwriters of PA. The Working Writer Seminar, with Kathryn Radeff Four Saturday workshops: September 18, October 16, November 13, December 11, 12 p.m.- 4 p.m Whole seminar: $175, $150 for members. Single Saturday session: $50, $40 for members Turn Your Travel Experiences Into Articles for Newspapers and Magazines, September 18 Writing & Selling Short Stories, October 16 Writing Magazine & Newspaper Features: Learn the Methods & Markets, November 13 The Art & Craft of Creative Nonfiction, December 11 Kathryn Radeff's work has appeared in local, regional and national magazines and newspapers, including Woman's World, Instructor, American Fitness, Personal Journaling, The Daytona Beach News Journal, and The Buffalo News and Buffalo Spree. For the past 25 years, she has worked extensively as an educator emphasizing a creative approach to getting published. On Novel Writing, with Linda Lavid 6 Saturdays, September 25, October 2, 9, 23, 30, November 6 10 a.m. - 12 p.m. $175, $150 for members Time to brush off that manuscript somewhere buried, take the plunge, and make the commitment to write the great American novel. Yes, the brass ring can be yours, but first you must write the story. For both veterans and novices, this seminar will present the critical foundations necessary to assist you in writing a novel. Topics include: developing plots, building character, generating scenes and, finally, how to make it all make sense. Linda Lavid is author of Rented Rooms. Here work has appeared in The Southern Cross Review, Plots With Guns, Wilmington Blues, and Over Coffee. Poet As Architect, with Marj Hahne One Saturday Session, November 20, 12-5 p.m. $50, $40 for members Li-Young Lee says that poetry has two mediums-language and silence-and that language (the material) inflects silence (the immaterial) so that we can experience (hear) our inner space. In this workshop, we will step outside our familiar poetic homes and build new dwellings (temples and taverns!),mutilizing such timber as sound patterns, found text, and invented forms. We will explore the structural possibilities of language to ultimately answer the question: How does form serve content? Both beginning and practiced poets will generate lots of original writing from this full day of language play and experimentation, and will bring home a fresh eye with which to revisit old poems stuck in the draft stage. Marj Hahne is a poet and teaching artist who has performed and taught extensively around the country. Her work has appeared in Paterson Literary Review, Painted Bride Quarterly, Schuylkill Valley Journal of the Arts, Mad Poets Review, and La Petite Zine. She also has a CD titled notspeak. For more information, or to register, call 832-5400 or download the registration form from our website at www.justbuffalo.org MEMBERSHIP SPECIAL SIGNED, LIMITED EDITION ROBERT CREELEY BROADSIDE AVAILABLE As part of the membership campaign, Just Buffalo is offering a special membership gift to the first fifty people who join at a level of $50 or more. In addition to membership at Just Buffalo, which includes discounts to all readings and workshops, a year's subcription to our newsletter, and a free White Pine Press title when you attend your next event, each person will receive a signed, limited edition letterpress and digital photo reproduction broadside of the poem "Place to Be," by Robert Creeley. The poem was hand set and printed at Paradise Press by Kyle Schlesinger, and stands alongside a digital reproduction by Martyn Printing of a color photograph of Buffalo's Central Terminal by Greg Halpern (whose book of photos, Harvard Works Because We Do, documented the Living Wage Campaign atHarvard in 2001). Send check or money order to the address at the bottom of this email, or call us at 832-5400 to use your credit card. COMMUNITY LITERARY EVENTS LISTINGS Anyone in Buffalo who wishes to have a literary event listed on Just Buffalo's website can send the information to Mike Kelleher at mjk@justbuffalo.org. Due to the number of Just Buffalo events listed in this newsletter, we cannot list an event here unless it is a Just Buffalo-sponsored or co-sponsored event. However, starting this fall, we will run a short list of the week's events at the end of the newsletter with a link to the Community Literary Events page on our website. _______________________________ Mike Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center 2495 Main St., Ste. 512 Buffalo, NY 14214 716.832.5400 716.832.5710 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk@justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:25:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Elective Affinities Conference Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Call for Papers http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/affinities/ International Association of Word and Image Studies: Elective Affinities Philadelphia, 23-27 September, 2005 The title of the conference has been borrowed from Goethe=92s 1809 novel=20 Elective Affinities. There, the term =93elective affinities=94 is the= subject=20 of an energetic debate. A chemical term that was in currency from the late eighteenth century, in the novel it extends to human relationships, both intimate and political. Since this is a novel that foregrounds =93mixed= media=94 such as tableaux vivants (i.e. dramatic performances of artworks) and the picturesque garden, the concept of =93elective affinities=94 also has= profound implications for the relationship between words and images. Like the= alkalis and acids of which Goethe=92s characters speak, words and images, though apparently opposed, may have a remarkable affinity for one another. At the same time, as one of the protagonists objects, such affinities are=20 problematic, and =93are only really interesting when they bring about separations.=94 = The conference seeks =AD in the spirit of Goethe=92s allusive discussion =AD to= explore word/image interactions in literature and visual arts from a broad= historical perspective, and also as they extend to fields as diverse as Political=20 Science, Religious Studies, and History of Science. IAWIS invites submission of proposals for papers (250-300 words) to affinities@ccat.sas.upenn.edu. See website for listing of specific panels=20 and address proposals accordingly. The deadline for submissions is October 1, 2004. Please contact the organizer with any queries: Catriona Macleod Associate Professor University of Pennsylvania Department of Germanic Languages and Literatures 745 Williams Hall Philadelphia, PA 19104-6305 cmacleod@sas.upenn.edu tel. (215) 898-7332 fax (215) 573-7794=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:10:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Shankar, Ravi (English)" Subject: Drunken Boat looking for Readers Comments: cc: mah102@columbia.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're interested in helping read work for subsequent issues of = Drunken Boat or know anyone who would be = well-suited to such an endeavor, please send a note of acquiescence and = a brief bio to managing editor, Aaron Hawn . We're = looking for an intelligent and eclectic group of readers and even the = most casual commitments will be valued. Thanks for your support. Editors, Drunken Boat=20 *************** Ravi Shankar=20 Poet-in-Residence Assistant Professor CCSU - English Dept. 860-832-2766 shankarr@ccsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:19:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Poets looking for Listeners Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're interested in helping listen to work by Mairead Byrne www.maireadbyrne.blogspot.com and Andi Werblin or know anyone who would be well-suited to such an endeavor, please send a note of acquiescence and a brief bio to impresario Jim Behrle jimbehrle@yahoo.com, or just turn up at Wordsworth Books in Harvard Square at 7pm on Thurs 9/2. We're looking for an intelligent and eclectic group of listeners although intelligence is not an absolute prerequisite. Even the most casual commitments will be valued. Thanks for your support. Poet, Mairead ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:29:21 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Harriet Zinnes Subject: Re: Poets looking for Listeners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wish I could be there, Mairead. Have a great reading in my own native Boston town -- or come and give one here in NYC! Very best Harriet ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:34:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Blake Martin Subject: The 1st Amendment: Express Yourself! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello. Charles Bernstein asked me to forward: Images/sentiments from yesterday's protest: www.geocities.com/hi_blake/protest & the Times' report: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/30/politics/campaign/30protest.html Best to you as you flex your 1st Amendment muscles this Fall, -- Blake Martin, C’01 Assistant Director for Development Kelly Writers House ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:13:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: The day after the NY Demo! Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit The NYC demonstrations were a delight to see on C-Span - the absence of any narrative intervention on the part of the Network let the evidence (the sheer mass and particularity of signs, faces, clothes, drumming, body movements, dancing , water bottles, etc) and the event speak for itself. It was also a delight to see that one's apprehension of provocation's for a full scale police/demo riot did not take place. I can only suspect that the Fox people were disappointed not to be able to manipulate the visual possibilities of such a riot into a pro-Bush screed. There are several days to go. My hope is that the demonstration will continue in all forms and work to keep outflanking the right wing dictates of a dull and predictable Convention. And, of course that no wacko group unleashes some major terrorist act. In Najef, the after-attack images in yesterday's New York Times, struck me as an all-out terrorist attack on the neighborhoods and the cemetery surrounding the Shrine. Jesus, what our tax dollars can buy and perform! What's going to spare this country reciprocal acts I don't even want to contemplate. It becomes more and more obvious that Bush & Co. has dug us all a very large hole into which to continue to fall. More than ever, (this, too, I feel in my bones) it's absolutely essential - individually, publicly and collectively - to work for the revival of life impulses (over paranoid self-destruction) to reclaim the domestic and international body politic! I wish I could be in New York - they're doing it big time. Stephen V ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 22:12:54 +0200 Reply-To: Anny Ballardini Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Re: THE ORACULAR SONNETS In-Reply-To: <103.4e5d49db.2e636368@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What an incredible work! Excellent collaborations. Anny Ballardini On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 12:50:48 EDT, Eileen Tabios wrote: > MERITAGE PRESS ANNOUNCEMENT > http://www.meritagepress.com > Press Contact: Eileen R. Tabios > MeritagePress@aol.com >=20 > poets use > artificial media > to keep their > words natural > --from "The Oracular Sonnets" >=20 > Meritage Press is thrilled to release the e-chapbook, The Oracular Sonnet= s, > an e-collaborative venture between New Zealand-born, Australian-based poe= t Mark > Young and Finnish poet Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. Their collaboration may be > viewed at >=20 > http://meritagepress.com/meritage.htm >=20 > An interesting component of the e-chap are the "Afterwords" which replica= tes > the underlying correspondence which show the birth of The Oracular Sonnet= s. A > brief summary is provided below on Kervinen's and Young's approach which > relied on "templates" for poems generated by two computer programs. The = poets' > ideas befit Meritage Press' goal of seeking to expand fresh ways of feat= uring > literary and other art forms (as noted in its founding vision statement): > "Meritage expects to publish a wide range of artists -- poets, writers, v= isual > artists, dancers, and performance artists. By acknowledging the multiplic= ity of > aesthetic concerns, Meritage's interests necessarily encompass a variety = of > disciplines -- politics, culture, identity, science, humor, religion, his= tory, > technology, philosophy and wine."(1) >=20 > Last but not least, and speaking to Poetry's power that it even addresses= the > ever-timely concern for world peace, The Oracular Sonnets became the proj= ect > that launched the Finnish & Australasian Co-Prosperity Sphere. >=20 > Bionotes > New Zealand-born, Australian-based Mark Young began publishing poetry > forty-five years ago, but went through a long period of silence from 1975= until the > last few years. His recent work has appeared in a wide range of print and > electronic journals, from Alba to zNine. He has published two previous bo= oks of > poetry and a book on New Zealand painting. An e-book, calligraphies, is d= ue out > later this year. He maintains a primary weblog, pelican dreaming (2), but= also > has his much-praised Series Magritte (3) which is an on-going collection = of > poems inspired by the great Belgian painter Ren=E9 Magritte. His author's= page at > the New Zealand electronic poetry centre (4) contains links to his on-li= ne > work, essays, bibliography, photos, marginalia, etc. >=20 > A composer as well as a poet, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen lives and writes in Es= poo, > Finland. He is mainly interested in computer processing and manipulation = of > text and language and has recently diversified into the creation of image= s > where the text has become secondary to the over-layering and/or use of co= lour > and/or phasing that now augment his work. Probably the leading practition= er of > computer-manipulated poetry around today, his work has appeared in numero= us > publications. His images can be seen at his weblog nonlinear poetry (5), = his > text-based work at textual conjectures (6). He is the editor of xStream (= 7), and > also publishes the xPress(ed) (8) range of e-books. He has a composer's p= age (9). > He has two recent e-books, #1-#46 (10) from Blazevox, and [div]versions (= 11) > from Poetic Inhalation. >=20 > The Links > (1) http://meritagepress.com/about.htm > (2) http://pelicandreaming.blogspot.com > (3) http://seriesmagritte.blogspot.com > (4) http://www.nzepc.auckland.ac.nz/authors/young > (5) http://nonlinearpoetry.blogspot.com > (6) http://textualconjectures.blogspot.com > (7) http://xstream.xpressed.org > (8) http://www.xpressed.org > (9) http://xpressed.sfu-eu.org/kervinen > (10) http://www.blazevox.org/books/jpk.htm > (11) http://poeticinhalation.com/pi_featureartist_jukka_divversions.pdf >=20 > A true history of The Oracular Sonnets > By Mark Young (7/9/04) >=20 > Saturday, April 10, 2004. I posted a piece to my pelican dreaming blog, A > poem beginning with a line from Jukka-Pekka Kervinen. Not a great poem, b= ut I > found humour in doing it, the title a pastiche of Robert Duncan's A poem > beginning with a line from Pindar plus Jukka's description of his work as= nonlinear > poetry. I'd been getting bombarded through my hotmail account with spam t= hat was > comprised of random words, generated by a program I thought probably simi= lar > to one of Jukka's, had used their subject lines to make a nonlinear poem = of my > own, so Jukka was occupying my thoughts at the time. >=20 > We knew each other in the way that bloggers do. My first publication (apa= rt > from a curated invitation) after I came back to writing was in a journal = that > also had him in it. We shared the same line in the spread-across-the-page= index > of authors. His is a name that is easily noticed; Jukka-Pekka like a ragg= ed > mountain range, Kervinen like the valleys that slope down from them. Over= the > next couple of years we appeared together several times. We both became > participants in the As/Is group blog, commented on one another's work fro= m time to > time. He accepted some poems of mine for xStream, then some more. We ema= iled > one another. I sent him a manuscript for his excellent xPress(ed) series.= He was > one of the first to put up a link when I started pelican dreaming. His > nonlinear poetry blog was the first link I put up on mine. >=20 > The Friday after the post I got an email from him, acknowledging the poem= , > giving me a bit of stick for my earlier remark that the content of the sp= am > emails was from his blog. & then, in brackets, almost as if it were an > afterthought, he mentioned that he had some 'intentionally unfinished' po= ems, templates, & > would I be interested in some collaborations. Would I? Sent back an > affirmative response, & received the first five the next morning. >=20 > Within three hours the template beginning " n l rs se be a t d s a" h= ad > become a poem that started "nearly seized & beaten, / but escaped through= ". I > sent it off to him, to see if he liked it, to see if it was the way he wa= nted > us to go. An excited email came back in the evening. Consensus. By that t= ime > I'd already done more. The next morning I sent an attachment containing e= ight > poems off to him. >=20 > There were poems provoked by the templates, incorporating the templates - > crossed out, written through, inverted, truncated -- & some having absolu= tely > nothing to do with them apart from being written within the same frenzied= period. > At this point there was little sense of unity between the poems -- they w= ere > individual pieces, but amongst them the threads of chance, linkage & stat= es of > being. >=20 > That evening -- it's a time zone thing, this morning/evening > Finland/Australia correspondence -- five more templates arrived. The firs= t began " r d s > se s a / o al" & from that came "roads seesaw towards the = / > the oracle" fourteen lines in all, the first Oracular Sonnet. Now there w= as an > overall framework, a direction. The creative frenzy continued. Chance > reinforced throughout. As example: I wanted to chop an existing sonnet in= two > vertically. Picked an anthology from the bookcase & the first sonnet I fo= und was > Yeats' Leda & The Swan, about beating wings. & one of the poems I had wri= tten > stimulated by the first group of templates had the lines "of the / beatin= g wings / > of words". It was one of those times when everything just fell into place= . >=20 > At 4.11 p.m. on the Monday evening, two & a half days after the first > templates arrived, the eighteen poem sequence of The Oracular Sonnets of = Mark Young & > Jukka-Pekka Kervinen was on its way from Rockhampton to Espoo. Accompanie= d by > a tumultuous roll of drums, FAACOPS, the Finnish & Australasian Co-Prospe= rity > Sphere, had been launched. >=20 > ******************************** >=20 > MERITAGE PRESS PROJECTS (Since 2001) > (More information at http://meritagepress.com) >=20 > COLD WATER FLAT, Archie Rand & John Yau >=20 > 100 MORE JOKES FROM THE BOOK OF THE DEAD, > Archie Rand & John Yau >=20 > er, um, Garret Caples & Hu Xin >=20 > OPERA: Poems 1981-2002, Barry Schwabsky >=20 > Veins, David Hess >=20 > [WAYS], Barry Schwabsky & Hong Seung-Hye >=20 > Pinoy Poetics, ed. Nick Carbo >=20 > Museum of Absences, by Luis H. Francia > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:43:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Baltimore Portable Reading Series Debut A Success! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 The Portable Reading Series in Baltimore is an enormous success. Deborah Poe, Amy King and Edmund Berrigan read and sang the praises of poetry before 40 people in a warm, crowded room yesterday evening in Minas Gallery. Readings in Baltimore don't usually amass such a crowd; the bigger anomoly is that we've done it twice! (the first was with the launch party for Ambit #1, which drew about 35 people last May) But many strangers showed up for the event and many continued the night by joining us down the street at a local bar, where many friendly new faces opened up what is going to be a beautiful dialogue between the presses and the people. We also launched Ed Berrigan's new chap from Furniture Press, "Your Cheatin' Heart" of which sold out quickly. I have more, I only brought 20... So, after the weekend of the New York invasion, I'm sad everyone is gone but glad it's all over, I mean that it went well, absolutely nothing went wrong. We have it on audio and video so we've begun archiving. That's it. Everyone was phenomenal, even though we were all damn nervous. Check out the announcement for ed's book, to come... christophe casamassima -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:49:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: furniture_ press Subject: Ed Berrigan's "Your Cheatin' Heart" now available Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Furniture Press is releaved to announce that we've finally put together Ed's chapbook "Your Cheatin' Heart" The text is approx. 26 pages long, sewn and screen printed in two colors by Sarah Elizabeth Kirby. There are also 26 copies, involuntarily signed and lettered A through Z by Ed himself, which are bound in sexy wrappers. The Chaps are $10, Ed's signature is worth $15 (two more than his fingerprint). Get 'em while they're hot. Get 'em while they are. Send paper or papers to: furniture press 19 Murdock Road Baltimore, MD 21212 -- _______________________________________________ Graffiti.net free e-mail @ www.graffiti.net Check out our value-added Premium features, such as a 1 GB mailbox for just US$9.95 per year! Powered by Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:56:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: coward's end MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed coward's end republicans reduce me to the poem coward's end strategies for living the exhilaration of disgrace preternatural fear of arrest hope the delegates die is that too much to ask dear god strike them down where they sit now if they're struck down i'll feel guilty i won't believe any more than i do now a friend is coming over for dinner so 94 % believe iraq was justified 94 % deserve to lose 94 % of their lives that's ... delegates worse than the average mini-fascists shutting their mouths the 'moderates' have the floor today mini-fascists wait in the foreground to take over we are now and forever a religious state i am a jew i killed christ don't blame the resurrection on me i had nothing to do with it _ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:07:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: some recent publications . . . MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII . . . of my work can be found in the following fine journals and one fine mini-anthology: moria Word for/Word Shampoo moria xStream, issue 21 BlazeVox Onsets (a mini-anthology of poems 13 lines or under, produced by Nate Dorward for the Toronto Small Press Book Fair) ndorward AT sprint DOT ca for purchase inquiries camille martin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:56:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: Experimental Poetry Does not Exist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit competitive edgy trickery cronyism cat as trophy ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 03:54:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steve Dalachinksy Subject: Re: coward's end MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit true sentiments but eh poetry maybe better stick w/that experi mental stuff but hey those nrcers are certainly a bunch of warmongerin bastards and all to protect us folk on the list from harm form terrorr fromm no not fromm from ourselves did you know that the kamikazes were mostly young intellectuals forced to die or be killed ( ha) now that's a fun one like catastrophic success now what the hell is that hiroshima of coures golf coures oops courses did you know that every kamikaze pilot wrote a poem before they took off one of my dreams has been to make an anthology of those poems but i am lazy poor and unlearned another dream was to make a haiku seasons dictionary in english there are many in japanese unlike us they have so many ways to express the seasons ah i guess we do too just have to stretch our imaginationssssss a bit i got terror i got terror all on my mi nd ( variation on a robert johnson song ) almost stabbed an old friend tonight invaded my tiny abode unannounced how he got in i'll never know ( done it many times before ) wanted to sing w/me stoned outta his everfkin mind better in a way then all the other times he busted in tho .. then he wanted to murder me now he wants to sing w/me some things do change maybe the next country we invade we just tellem we want to sing w/them get those fkin pubs gettin on their high elephants and usin 9/11 to keep america at bay...wow my wife says they don't even mention education... i say why should they the folks they're talkin to wanna be protected from evil not educated ... sung to not murdered don't we all ...... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:05:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Al Filreis Subject: Writers House Fellows 2005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends: Please note. Each of these visits includes a live participatory webcast. For details, write to whfellow@writing.upenn.edu. - Al Filreis ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I came to explore the wreck. The words are purposes. The words are maps. --Adrienne Rich The community of writers, artists and critics at the Kelly Writers House is pleased to announce our 2005 WRITERS HOUSE FELLOWS: ROGER ANGELL - February 7-8 E. L. DOCTOROW - March 21-22 ADRIENNE RICH - April 18-19 and LYN HEJINIAN - February 21-22 (rescheduled from '04) http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~whfellow/ Writers House Fellows events are free and open to the public--at the Kelly Writers House, 3805 Locust Walk, University of Pennsylvania. For more information, write to << whfellow@writing.upenn.edu >>. In the Writers House Fellows Seminar, students will study the work of the three Fellows; the course is taught Kelly Professor of English and Writers House Faculty Director, Al Filreis. This year's coordinator of the program is Phil Sandick (C'03). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Writers House Fellows is made possible by a generous grant from Paul Kelly. previous Writers House Fellows: Russell Banks 2004 Lyn Hejinian James Alan McPherson Susan Sontag 2003 Walter Bernstein Laurie Anderson John Ashbery 2002 Charles Fuller Michael Cunningham June Jordan 2001 David Sedaris Tony Kushner Grace Paley 2000 Robert Creeley John Edgar Wideman Gay Talese 1999 recordings of live webcasts featuring the Fellows can be found here: http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~wh/webcasts/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:36:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ram Devineni Subject: DEMO Reading(NY)/Brazilian Techno&Poetry (London) In-Reply-To: <200408311105.i7VB5kTQ026701@writing.upenn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello Everyone: Rattapallax is sponsoring two events this week. DEMO: A demonstration in words. A poetry reading on the RNC, President Bush and the crisis in Iraq. Wednesday, September 1, 2004 at 8pm. St. Mark's Church, 131 E. 10th St. & 2nd Ave., New York City. Free. Featuring Sonia Sanchez, Grace Paley, Carl Hancock Rux, Sapphire, Katha Pollitt, Mark Doty, Anne Waldman, Cornelius Eady, Vijay Seshadri, Hal Sirowitz, Bob Holman, Eileen Myles, Marie Ponsot, Robert Polito, John Yau, Rodrigo Toscano, Carol Mirakove, Greg Fuchs, Anselm Berrigan, Laura Elrick, Bruce Andrews, Kathy Engel, Zero Boy, John Coletti & Kristin Prevallet. Hosted by Jen Benka and Ram Devineni. http://www.rattapallax.com/protest.htm The reading was featured on the front page of the City Section of the New York Times and several other publications. To read the article, go to: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/01/nyregion/thecity/01colm.html Event is sponsored by Rattapallax, Poetry Project & Issue Project Space. There are poets for peace events before and after the Demo reading at Bowery Poetry Club. ------------ Rattapallax Poetry Reading and Brazilian Party. Sept. 5, 2004 at 7 PM. Blag Club, 1st floor, 68 Notting Hill Gate, London W11. Tube: Notting Hill Gate. Admissions: £3. Featuring Roger Robinson, Pascale Petit, Cristobal Bianchi, Jacob Sam La Rose, vocalist Heidi and others. Hosted by Rajesh Bhardwaj & Ram Devineni. Film presentation by Casagrande, Caraballo-Farman & others. DJs and Brazilian music. Proceeds benefit ABC: Action for Brazils Children. Co-sponsored with Jungle Drums magazine. Hope you can attend either of them. More info at http://www.rattapallax.com Cheers Ram Devineni Publisher ===== Please send future emails to devineni@rattapallax.com for press devineni@dialoguepoetry.org for UN program __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 06:12:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Incorrect or incomplete address field found and ignored. From: Ishaq Organization: selah7 Subject: The revolving DOOR ! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://victoria.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/29715.php The revolving DOOR ! by not saying! . Monday August 30, 2004 at 06:13 PM Disability perons are being treated unfair! Does everybody in Victoria see the homeless, the broken down, the disabled mentally or physically? Why is Street Link an a emergency shelter having more mentally and physically disabled coming through the door? Government cuts to mental hospitals. Week after week week, month after month, mostly the same faces visiting the same places. This does not make sense! They are allot a small amount of money to help them out enough for bewteen $350-450 in rent money. Why are they having to stay at street link is this a mental hospitial!Or is it a emergency shelter. Why are homeless or under the employed being funneled into street link? Where they are allot 7 days costing the Provincial around $50 a night for food and accomaditions. So lets do some math 7 x 50 = $350 dollars ok thats excatly the amount social services or EI or what ever they have changed there name to this month, gives for rent. Now you can stay exta days with the EI workers approval or by waiting till 10 oclock for a chance to get a bed, and costing even more money. Or you could stay at the Salvation Army (halfway house) where the feed and shelter you for about the same amount $50 dollars a night for 7 nights = again $350. Thats two weeks one at each place, a guy can stay costing the provincial government $700 dollars for two weeks every month. Iteresting in the fact that EI only allots a maximum of $525 for under for employed males. They are going backwards $175 every month for some these people by being stuck in the revolving door and the cycle of abuse! Not to mention the emotional and physical damaged that comes from the negativity from the down trodden. Then you have drug addicts who use these places because they can't keep a residence of there own. Because they have abuse issues both mentally and physically. So now you have mentally and physically disabelled people conversing with drug dealers, offering drugs to disabled people. Nice, really nice to know you can have, lets say ahh a mental disorder of anykind who is very emotionanlly troubled being introduced to speed or crystal meth or of the many drugs commonly found in the street(link). So now you could have have menatlly or physically challenged people hooked on hard drugs! Right On! Good job Gordon! So now you have a shelter which creates more problems then it solves and cost more tax dollars. And the staff aren't trained enough to handle all these issues. Gordon Campbell give your head a shake at least do the math you money hungry bonehead. If you can't consider their problems and the issues how are you going to help the mentally and physically disabled people. Perhaps if you could pull yourself away from your business lunchins talking about the business deals going down for the Olympics long enough to have these issues sorted out. You are mismanaging dollars and holding the under employed in shelters! And what about the Landlords in this town(Victoria) some these people buy property just to have the provincial government pay their mortages by housing EI clients in some cases in really shabby accomadations for ($350).Seems their is a cycle of abuse happening here and the rich and government and these big topics seem connected. Funny what happens when you start connecting the dots! Not to mention look at the Olympics going on right now how many medals do we have? Maybe you (Gordon) should and Canada as (w)hole should consider a little money for training programs and funding more athletes. Just a morsal to think about, where are the morals of some of the rich and these government types! And I am sure its not the majority but you know who you are! Perhaps lying denying and avoiding takes up your whole day? ___\ Stay Strong\ \ "Be a friend to the oppressed and an enemy to the oppressor" \ --Imam Ali Ibn Abu Talib (as)\ \ "This mathematical rhythmatical mechanism enhances my wisdom\ of Islam, keeps me calm from doing you harm, when I attack, it's Vietnam"\ --HellRazah\ \ "It's not too good to stay in a white man's country too long"\ --Mutabartuka\ \ "Everyday is Ashura and every land is Kerbala"\ -Imam Ja'far Sadiq\ \ http://resist.ca/story/2004/7/27/202911/746\ \ http://www.sleepybrain.net/vanilla.html\ \ http://ilovepoetry.com/search.asp?keywords=braithwaite&orderBy=date\ \ http://www.lowliferecords.co.uk/\ \ } ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:19:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ian VanHeusen Subject: Re: coward's friend Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Never did never will just take the pill you're given & like Muslims standing on the block rocking the goofeys We let loose & like cartoons start harm To disarm with liquid swords The hordes don't need the meditation Don't even need the sedation Complacent, Alan... you're the only one I have heard of Holed up at home for no good reason Its the season to get your ass in the streets You walk through every single day If you need to say hello to cop for me When we storming like armies with weapons If they keep their's in hand that's when the war began. Peace _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:28:32 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Subject: xStream #23 online Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline xStream -- Issue #23 xStream Issue #23 is online, again in three parts: 1. Regular: Works from 6 poets (Steve Dalachinsky, Crag Hill, Mike Estabrook, Sherman Souther, Kenji Siratori and Thomas Lowe Taylor) 2. Autoissue: Poems generated by computer from Issue #23 texts, the whole autoissue is generated in "real-time", new version in every refresh. 3. Wryting Issue #6: a monthly selection of WRYTING-L listserv works Sincerely, Jukka-Pekka Kervinen Editor xStream WWW: http://xstream.xpressed.org email: xstream@xpressed.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:42:42 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: the ottawa small press book fair Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT span-o (the small press action network - ottawa) presents the ottawa small press book fair fall edition will be happening Saturday, October 16, 2004 in room 203 of the Jack Purcell Community Centre (on Elgin, at 320 Jack Purcell Lane). contact rob at rob@track0.com to sign up for a table, etc. General info: the ottawa small press book fair noon to 5pm (opens at 11am for exhibitors) admission free to the public. tables are $15 for exhibitors (payable to rob mclennan, c/o 858 Somerset St W, main floor, Ottawa Ontario K1R 6R7). full tables only. for catalog, exhibitors should send (on paper, not email) name of press, address, email, web address, contact person, type of publications, list of publications (with price), if submissions are being looked at, & any other pertinent info, including upcoming ottawa-area events (if any). due to the increased demand for table space, exhibitors are asked to confirm far earlier than usual. i.e. -- before, say, the day of the fair. the fair usually contains exhibitors with poetry books, novels, cookbooks, posters, t-shirts, graphic novels, comic books, magazines, scraps of paper, gum-ball machines with poems, 2x4s with text, etc. happens twice a year, started in 1994 by rob mclennan & James Spyker. now run by rob mclennan thru span-o. questions, rob@track0.com or 613 239 0337 more info on span-o at the span-o link of www.track0.com/rob_mclennan span-o: c/o 858 somerset street west, main floor, ottawa ontario canada k1r 6r7 free things can be mailed for fair distribution to the same address. we will not be selling things for folk who cant make it, sorry. also, always looking for volunteers to poster, move tables, that sort of thing. let me know if anyone able to do anything. thanks. & dont forget the toronto small press book fair, happening this fall on november 6th. www.torontosmallpressbookfair.org for more information, bother rob mclennan at 613 239 0337 or az421@freenet.carleton.ca / or check out the span-o link at www.track0.com/rob_mclennan ================ -- poet/editor/pub. ... ed. STANZAS mag & side/lines: a new canadian poetics (Insomniac)...pub., above/ground press ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...9th coll'n - what's left (Talon) ...c/o RR#1 Maxville ON K0C 1T0 www.track0.com/rob_mclennan * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:47:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: coward's friend In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I don't need to justify myself to you. I have been working online and if you went last night to the dissensionconvention site you would have seen me. Where were you? - Alan On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Ian VanHeusen wrote: > Never did never will > just take the pill you're given > & like Muslims standing on the block rocking the goofeys > We let loose & like cartoons start harm > To disarm with liquid swords > The hordes don't need the meditation > Don't even need the sedation > Complacent, Alan... you're the only one I have heard of > Holed up at home for no good reason > Its the season to get your ass in the streets > You walk through every single day > If you need to say hello to cop for me > When we storming like armies with weapons > If they keep their's in hand that's when the war began. > Peace > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > recent http://www.asondheim.org/ WVU 2004 projects http://www.as.wvu.edu/clcold/sondheim/files/ recent related to WVU http://www.as.wvu.edu:8000/clc/Members/sondheim Trace projects http://trace.ntu.ac.uk/writers/sondheim/index.htm partial mirror at http://www.anu.edu.au/english/internet_txt ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:46:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan M. Schultz" Subject: Fwd: Tinfish Press News Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > TINFISH PRESS is pleased to announce the publication of A Drag Queen > Named Pipi, by Dan Taulapapa McMullin. (31 pages, $9). > http://tinfishpress.com/hot_off_the_press.html > > The world of A Drag Queen Named Pipi is both phantasmagoric and > intensely real, populated by characters such as =93Jerry,=94 who = =93always > stays in the kitchen=94 because =93that=92s what fags in American = Samoa do,=94 > by the ocean, Moana, and by ghosts, real and remembered. This may be = a > =93land of no return,=94 but it=92s also a place where love is = possible. > Design by James Nakamura. > > Dan Taulapapa McMullin is a Samoan American writer, filmmaker and > painter. He will be reading with other Tinfish writers on October 7 = at > Native Books (evening reading), and in Kuykendall 410 on October 14 at=20= > 3 > p.m. as part of the UH English department colloquium series. > > from =93Sinalela and the One-Eyed Fish=94: > > My name is Sinalela and this is my movie. > I live in Samoa by a pool. > Above the pool on the hillside is my mother=92s grave. > My father married again into a poor but important family. > My stepmother was a queen and an ogre. > My stepsisters Mealele and Graham were queens too. > Everyone was a queen but me, > I was just an ex-rugby player consigned to household duties. > > Send checks to Tinfish Press, 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kaneohe, HI > 96744 or check us out at www.tinfishpress.com, where you can use = credit > cards and see our other publications. Tinfish books and journal = issues > are also available through SPD (www.spdbooks.org). > > > > aloha, Susan > > > Susan M. Schultz > Professor > Department of English > University of Hawai`i-Manoa > Honolulu, HI 96822 > > _And then something happened_ is now out: > http://saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710165.htm > > http://tinfishpress.com > http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/schultz/ > >