========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 15:44:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed sounds like dread to me. that cold, unidentifiable dread that like low frequency noise seems to come at you from every direction and no direction at once. impossible to pinpoint, the best therapy is to push it away from your attentive consciousness so that it just fills the background. but it never goes away of course. it's still there, humming away just below the audible hearing range, a wicked tritone south of whatever other sounds are propagating in the air, paralleling them in a basso profundo counterpoint so simple minded and plodding that it seems almost inhuman and mechanical. i like to write like that myself. On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Just a minor point, not panic, perhaps a feeling that the end of the world as > at nigh, that we're on the brink of further mass extinctions - but not panic, > there's far too much control in what I do, it might not show, but as in Poe > there's that composition. > > They're not around panic at least for me, they're around a kind of fulcrum > related to foundation of language, sexuality, world, real, more or less > ontology. > > There's no paralysis, there never has been, since there's no hysteria, no > wandering, but learning how to see. > > It's a minor point, but for me critical, just as not reading my work > autobiographically is equally critical, although there are elements of autobio > present as there are in everything, including Bohm for example (whose hidden > variables might well relate to seams of coal not far from where he and I were > born). > > - Alan > > > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > >> Alan, >> >> Yours is a poetics of panics, as I think many of your most vibrant pieces >> are around panic. >> >> What is that sword's edge where panic leads to energy and not paralysis? >> >> The same way, what is the distinction between sloth and negative capability? >> I, on my part, these days I am full of negative capability. If it goes on >> another day, it'll be sloth. >> >> In those five enemies, isn't Gabe not referring to the "internal State"? >> >> Ciao, >> >> Murat >> >> >> On 8/30/07, Alan Sondheim < sondheim@panix.com> wrote: >>> >>> Five Enemies >>> >>> Doubt: Three kinds of doubt: >>> >>> Doubt in oneself; doubt in the efficacy and usefulness of writing in >>> general; doubt in the writing project before one. >>> >>>>> It's the opposite for me; if I didn't doubt almost to the point of >>> annihilation, I couldn't work at all. It's intrinsic in the process. >>> >>> Aversion (ill will, anger): I dont want to do this. I dont want to write >>> right now. Writing is stupid. This project is stupid. I dont feel like >>> writing right now. I hate writing in general. I hate this whole book idea. >>> This task is boring. I dont like this aspect of that. I dont like that >>> aspect of this. I dont like, I dont like, I dont like. >>> >>>>> The same. As PIL says Anger is an energy. I need it. >>> >>> Craving: Two kinds. >>> >>> Extrinsic: Desiring to do something else. Desiring a state that is not >>> present. I want to do something else, watch a movie, I want to go >>> bicycling instead of writing. >>> >>>>> But I do! Writing is too difficult and the sooner I get it sent off, >>> the sooner I can breathe again. >>> >>> Intrinsic: Craving an outcome from the writing itself. I want to have this >>> outcome from this writing NOW or SOON or like next week, I want to write a >>> masterpiece now, I want to write a great line now, I want to write a great >>> >>> paragraph now. And we become disappointed because we inevitably crave more >>> than we acquire. >>> >>>>> I absolutely believe this. I want to write masterpieces / mistress- >>> pieces, period. Anything else, I lose energy. I might live in disappoint- >>> ment but the craving drives me. >>> >>> Agitation (restlessness, worry): This is boring. Im bored. Gyawd, Ive got >>> to write ALL THESE words??! >>> >>>>> And agitation, yes, writing in a state of fury or despair or the sense >>> of total destruction, yes. >>> >>> Sloth, Laziness: General lassitude leading to inaction and inanition. >>> Nothing written, nothing discovered, nothing made. >>> >>>>> This is the only one I agree on; if you don't have the energy, you're >>> silent, which is not necessarily a bad thing and might lead to something >>> terrific day after tomorrow. >>> >>> For me there are NO enemies to writing except for internal or external >>> States that prohibit taking up the pen or keyboard. >>> >>> - Alan >>> >> >> > > > ======================================================================= > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, > dvds, etc. ============================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:09:05 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: What do pork, Britney, Tao Lin and Walmart have in common? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit They are all featured on Joe Brainard's Pyjamas _http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/_ (http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/) tonight. The English language is enriched by the addition of ten new words and an Ebay gauntlet is thrown down vis-a-vis Mr. Lin. That and some other yadda-fertilizer you just can't afford to miss. Also, the blog is soliciting (no cops please!) for original poetry...send 3 poems only please to _Bewitjanus@aol.com_ (mailto:Bewitjanus@aol.com) ....if you have a book to promote give the relevant info, and if your pomes appear, I'll list that alongside... ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:17:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Gnoetry0.2 Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 UGxlYXNlIHRha2UgdGhlIHRpbWUgdG8gcmVhZCBfS2luZyBvZiBFYXRhYmxlIEJpcmRzXywg dGhlIGxhdGVzdCBlbnRyeSBmcm9tIGEgDQpodW1hbiBjb2xsYWJvcmF0aW5nIHdpdGggdGhl IHdvcmxkJ3MgaGFuZHNvbWVzdCBwb2V0cnktZ2VuZXJhdGluZyBzb2Z0d2FyZS4NCg0KZnJv bSB0aGUgcHJlZmFjZToNCg0KIldoZW4gd3JpdGluZyBhYm91dCB0aGVzZSBiZWF1dGlmdWwg cG9lbXMsIG9uZSBzaG91bGQgbm90IGNvbnNpZGVyIHRoZW0gQW5uZSANCkguIE11cmRldXPi gJksIG9yIHRoZSBtYWNoaW5l4oCZcywgYnV0IHRoZSBjb2xsYWJvcmF0aW9uIGJldHdlZW4g bmVhcmx5IGEgZG96ZW4gDQpodW1hbiBhdXRob3JzIGFuZCBtYXRoLiBHbm9ldHJ5IGFsbG93 cyBmb3IgYSBuZWFybHkgb2JqZWN0aXZlIHBvZXRyeSwgYnVpbHQgDQpmcm9tIG5ldXRyYWwg Y29kZSBhbmQgaHVtYW4gc3ludGFjdGljIHRlbmRlbmNpZXMuIg0KDQpodHRwOi8vd3d3LmJl YXJkb2ZiZWVzLmNvbS9tdXJkZXVzLmh0bWwNCg0KVGhhbmtzIGFuZCB5b3VycywNCg0KDQoN CkVyaWMgRWxzaHRhaW4NCkVkaXRvcg0KQmVhcmQgb2YgQmVlcyBQcmVzcw0KaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5iZWFyZG9mYmVlcy5jb20NCg== ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:11:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Nielsen Broadcast MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Follow this URL to an audio file of my appearance today on Santa Barbara radio talking about and playing selections from Amiri Baraka, Amina Baraka, William Parker, Curtis Mayfield etc: and while you're there, you might want to scroll down to the Oliver Lake episode -- <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are enslaved by what makes us free -- intolerable paradox at the heart of speech. --Robert Kelly Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:44:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed sounds closer, Goya's Disasters of War - Alan On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > sounds like dread to me. that cold, unidentifiable dread that like low > frequency noise seems to come at you from every direction and no direction at > once. impossible to pinpoint, the best therapy is to push it away from your > attentive consciousness so that it just fills the background. but it never > goes away of course. it's still there, humming away just below the audible > hearing range, a wicked tritone south of whatever other sounds are > propagating in the air, paralleling them in a basso profundo counterpoint so > simple minded and plodding that it seems almost inhuman and mechanical. > > i like to write like that myself. > > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> Just a minor point, not panic, perhaps a feeling that the end of the world >> as at nigh, that we're on the brink of further mass extinctions - but not >> panic, there's far too much control in what I do, it might not show, but as >> in Poe there's that composition. >> >> They're not around panic at least for me, they're around a kind of fulcrum >> related to foundation of language, sexuality, world, real, more or less >> ontology. >> >> There's no paralysis, there never has been, since there's no hysteria, no >> wandering, but learning how to see. >> >> It's a minor point, but for me critical, just as not reading my work >> autobiographically is equally critical, although there are elements of >> autobio present as there are in everything, including Bohm for example >> (whose hidden variables might well relate to seams of coal not far from >> where he and I were born). >> >> - Alan >> >> >> >> On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: >> >>> Alan, >>> >>> Yours is a poetics of panics, as I think many of your most vibrant pieces >>> are around panic. >>> >>> What is that sword's edge where panic leads to energy and not paralysis? >>> >>> The same way, what is the distinction between sloth and negative >>> capability? >>> I, on my part, these days I am full of negative capability. If it goes on >>> another day, it'll be sloth. >>> >>> In those five enemies, isn't Gabe not referring to the "internal State"? >>> >>> Ciao, >>> >>> Murat >>> >>> >>> On 8/30/07, Alan Sondheim < sondheim@panix.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Five Enemies >>>> >>>> Doubt: Three kinds of doubt: >>>> >>>> Doubt in oneself; doubt in the efficacy and usefulness of writing in >>>> general; doubt in the writing project before one. >>>> >>>>>> It's the opposite for me; if I didn't doubt almost to the point of >>>> annihilation, I couldn't work at all. It's intrinsic in the process. >>>> >>>> Aversion (ill will, anger): I dont want to do this. I dont want to write >>>> right now. Writing is stupid. This project is stupid. I dont feel like >>>> writing right now. I hate writing in general. I hate this whole book >>>> idea. >>>> This task is boring. I dont like this aspect of that. I dont like that >>>> aspect of this. I dont like, I dont like, I dont like. >>>> >>>>>> The same. As PIL says Anger is an energy. I need it. >>>> >>>> Craving: Two kinds. >>>> >>>> Extrinsic: Desiring to do something else. Desiring a state that is not >>>> present. I want to do something else, watch a movie, I want to go >>>> bicycling instead of writing. >>>> >>>>>> But I do! Writing is too difficult and the sooner I get it sent off, >>>> the sooner I can breathe again. >>>> >>>> Intrinsic: Craving an outcome from the writing itself. I want to have >>>> this >>>> outcome from this writing NOW or SOON or like next week, I want to write >>>> a >>>> masterpiece now, I want to write a great line now, I want to write a >>>> great >>>> >>>> paragraph now. And we become disappointed because we inevitably crave >>>> more >>>> than we acquire. >>>> >>>>>> I absolutely believe this. I want to write masterpieces / mistress- >>>> pieces, period. Anything else, I lose energy. I might live in disappoint- >>>> ment but the craving drives me. >>>> >>>> Agitation (restlessness, worry): This is boring. Im bored. Gyawd, Ive got >>>> to write ALL THESE words??! >>>> >>>>>> And agitation, yes, writing in a state of fury or despair or the sense >>>> of total destruction, yes. >>>> >>>> Sloth, Laziness: General lassitude leading to inaction and inanition. >>>> Nothing written, nothing discovered, nothing made. >>>> >>>>>> This is the only one I agree on; if you don't have the energy, you're >>>> silent, which is not necessarily a bad thing and might lead to something >>>> terrific day after tomorrow. >>>> >>>> For me there are NO enemies to writing except for internal or external >>>> States that prohibit taking up the pen or keyboard. >>>> >>>> - Alan >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ======================================================================= >> Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. >> Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. >> http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check >> WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, >> dvds, etc. ============================================================= >> > > ======================================================================= Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. ============================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:38:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andy hall Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I wonder, if we reframe the word "enemies" as "dysfunctional friends," to borrow self help lingo, if we might see these things as aspects of practice and awareness, rather than potential ruin in the writing practice? Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add that laziness can be a virtue as it forces us to acknowledge limitations of the self, and to come to terms with blockage or boredom as transitional states. New member Andy --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 01:35:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: The Conversation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Conversation -- Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 01:18:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: re :: Pavement Saw Press MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sounds int'resting --- I am an expert swing & web developer, can offer there, services negotiable. Jesse Crockett http://listenlight.net http://denacht.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:30:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Ground Plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ground Plain Smaller crystal radio (double-tap single coil) fed directly into the mike input of my laptop, then filtered with CoolEdit. Nothing but ground hum and static was picked up; these were modified into a semblance of ontol- ogy. Clearly there are impedance mismatches at work and ground problems resulting from the general radiation spewing of the laptop. The result as usual is interesting soundwork, but the coiling itself, running the power grid into and out of the earth, conjures an impossible mythos; this 60- cycle would already be otherwise throughout most of Europe, half of Japan for example. It occurs to me that someone or some thing is speaking just around the corner, or coroner, given the propensity of the dead to inhabit anything but the clear evidence of the living. So there's plenty of room for a poetics of ground-space grid-space, provided both of them are at least somewhat subservient to the corporate powers that provide the thrumming in the first place. You know, the whole world is electrified, humming along on whatever funda- mentals occur from region to region - and their respective additions, sub- tractions, etc., pretty Lissajous figures all. So we've joined the fish with their electric organs, not to mention the effects of insect wings on very low frequency radio reception - such effects perhaps on each other as well. Still, given the ground and ground plane and hum's ubiquity, we're mostly listening to ourselves listening to ourselves. The 'said' rides the current like obscene outriggers, even though it's the riding we care for as we face one another over any distance greater than a few meters. And perhaps even less than that distance as well. http://www.asondheim.org/grounding.mp3 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:35:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Strange political theater and music in the San Francisco Fringe! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, all! The Nonsense Company (of Madison, WI) will bring two works to the San Francisco Fringe Festival in just a handful of days; they(ok, we)'ve been taking these pieces around the country for the last year or so, and are excited about the opportunity to do them six times in the Bay Area. A theatrical music composition and a play, both by Rick Burkhardt, their blurbs say: “Great Hymn of Thanksgiving” (for three speaking percussionists) takes place at a dinner table, where the sounds of conversation have been replaced with news clips from Iraq, scraps from the Army prayer manual, fragmented folk tales, the poetry of Rae Armantrout, and a recurring state of emergency pointing everywhere and leading nowhere. The Company sounds like a newscast one moment and a church congregation the next, using vocal techniques they’ve honed for years to switch tones collectively in mid-syllable. The noises of the table itself — scooting chairs, singing wineglasses, squeaking forks — force this “conversation” into a confrontation with material reality. In “Conversation Storm,” three friends from three sides of the political spectrum unpack current US torture policies as they unwillingly talk their way through a hypothetical "ticking time bomb" scenario, dissecting, revising, and even brutalizing their own positions in the process — but time has either stopped or entered an ugly loop, and as the friends assign and reassign roles, the scenario begins to dissolve the boundaries between real and hypothetical, past and future, day and night. “Moving, funny, and provocative.... theater at its best.” Austin 360 “Strange and compelling pieces... introspective, recursive, highly charged... stunningly choreographed into visual theater as well as an aural melange.” Shockwave Radio KFAI Minneapolis http://princemyshkins.com/nonsensecompany.html WARNING: “Great Hymn of Thanksgiving/Conversation Storm” contains extremely graphic adult language and is not appropriate for children. Please, no one under 13. The performances take place at EXIT Stage Left, 156 Eddy St., San Francisco. No late seating. The Fringe runs from 9/6 through 9/16. For performance times, advance tickets, and such, go to http://www.sffringe.org/fringe07/07plays/great.html Hope you can make it! all the best, Andy Gricevich --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 08:24:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: <951929.64811.qm@web53608.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit welcome & excellent point from whitman. what gets me writing--reading poetry esp LangPo Creeley Stein listening to free jazz sometimes classical & emotion--WHY is another question. something to do w/ freeing myself from usual thoughts. rhythm, deep feeling w/ understanding desire to reach another & things too complex to articulate-- of course someof that is contradictory but never mind, so to speak. On 8/31/07 8:38 PM, "andy hall" wrote: > I wonder, if we reframe the word "enemies" as "dysfunctional friends," to > borrow self help > lingo, if we might see these things as aspects of practice and awareness, > rather than potential ruin in the writing practice? > > Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add that laziness can be a virtue as > it forces us to acknowledge limitations of the self, and to come to terms > with blockage or boredom as transitional states. > > New member > Andy > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:12:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Review of Ric Royer's performance art & how to be an instant genius of a painter MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A review of the X Files of Ric Royer, and the allure/thread of the Double @ _http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/_ (http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/) Have you spoken to your Redivider Box today? ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:24:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alan, Panic and control are not necessarily contradictory. When you say control, don't you mean more "being conscious of"? To the extent that you let certain processes establishedby you at one point to take over, you are at one point letting go while still remaining completely conscious of the process. In a similar way "souljam" projects chaos, a centrifugal movement, while simultaneously hinting at a unifying pull holding these fragments in check, the Sufi ideas of "arc of descent" and "arc of ascent." I never suggested your work was purely autobiographical and can be explained away as such. Ciao, Murat On 8/31/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > Just a minor point, not panic, perhaps a feeling that the end of the world > as at nigh, that we're on the brink of further mass extinctions - but not > panic, there's far too much control in what I do, it might not show, but > as in Poe there's that composition. > > They're not around panic at least for me, they're around a kind of fulcrum > related to foundation of language, sexuality, world, real, more or less > ontology. > > There's no paralysis, there never has been, since there's no hysteria, no > wandering, but learning how to see. > > It's a minor point, but for me critical, just as not reading my work > autobiographically is equally critical, although there are elements of > autobio present as there are in everything, including Bohm for example > (whose hidden variables might well relate to seams of coal not far from > where he and I were born). > > - Alan > > > > On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > > > Alan, > > > > Yours is a poetics of panics, as I think many of your most vibrant > pieces > > are around panic. > > > > What is that sword's edge where panic leads to energy and not paralysis? > > > > The same way, what is the distinction between sloth and negative > capability? > > I, on my part, these days I am full of negative capability. If it goes > on > > another day, it'll be sloth. > > > > In those five enemies, isn't Gabe not referring to the "internal State"? > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > > > On 8/30/07, Alan Sondheim < sondheim@panix.com> wrote: > >> > >> Five Enemies > >> > >> Doubt: Three kinds of doubt: > >> > >> Doubt in oneself; doubt in the efficacy and usefulness of writing in > >> general; doubt in the writing project before one. > >> > >>>> It's the opposite for me; if I didn't doubt almost to the point of > >> annihilation, I couldn't work at all. It's intrinsic in the process. > >> > >> Aversion (ill will, anger): I dont want to do this. I dont want to > write > >> right now. Writing is stupid. This project is stupid. I dont feel like > >> writing right now. I hate writing in general. I hate this whole book > idea. > >> This task is boring. I dont like this aspect of that. I dont like that > >> aspect of this. I dont like, I dont like, I dont like. > >> > >>>> The same. As PIL says Anger is an energy. I need it. > >> > >> Craving: Two kinds. > >> > >> Extrinsic: Desiring to do something else. Desiring a state that is not > >> present. I want to do something else, watch a movie, I want to go > >> bicycling instead of writing. > >> > >>>> But I do! Writing is too difficult and the sooner I get it sent off, > >> the sooner I can breathe again. > >> > >> Intrinsic: Craving an outcome from the writing itself. I want to have > this > >> outcome from this writing NOW or SOON or like next week, I want to > write a > >> masterpiece now, I want to write a great line now, I want to write a > great > >> > >> paragraph now. And we become disappointed because we inevitably crave > more > >> than we acquire. > >> > >>>> I absolutely believe this. I want to write masterpieces / mistress- > >> pieces, period. Anything else, I lose energy. I might live in > disappoint- > >> ment but the craving drives me. > >> > >> Agitation (restlessness, worry): This is boring. Im bored. Gyawd, Ive > got > >> to write ALL THESE words??! > >> > >>>> And agitation, yes, writing in a state of fury or despair or the > sense > >> of total destruction, yes. > >> > >> Sloth, Laziness: General lassitude leading to inaction and inanition. > >> Nothing written, nothing discovered, nothing made. > >> > >>>> This is the only one I agree on; if you don't have the energy, you're > >> silent, which is not necessarily a bad thing and might lead to > something > >> terrific day after tomorrow. > >> > >> For me there are NO enemies to writing except for internal or external > >> States that prohibit taking up the pen or keyboard. > >> > >> - Alan > >> > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, > dvds, etc. ============================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 12:45:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: sale: the last 10 chax press books Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed SPECIAL SALE: Purchase by September 8 (postmark on envelope with payment) is required! Your participation in this sale helps us with our move (forced though it was by our former governmental landlord) to our new location! But it only really helps us if a lot of people participate. So we really hope you decide you need some books from the lists below! These are the last ten published Chax Press books: Glenn Mott, Analects on a Chinese Screen Jefferson Carter, Sentimental Blue Charles Borkhuis, Afterimage Sarah Riggs, Waterwork Linda Russo, Mirth Beth Joselow, Begin at Once Tim Peterson, Since I Moved In Kass Fleisher, Accidental Species Linh Dinh, Jam Alerts Bruce Andrews, Swoon Noir Generally they are priced at $16. Visit our web site at http://chax.org to find out more information about the individual books, but you can only take advantage of this offer if you send check or cash directly to us, and do not order via credit card on the web site. Here are 35 other Chax Press books you can choose, in any combination with those above, to take advantage of this offer. You can also find out about these books on our web site: http://chax.org Ron Silliman, Demo to Ink Beverly Dahlen, A Reading 8-10 Beverly Dahlen, A-Reading Spicer & 18 Sonnets Joe Amato, Under Virga Jonathan Brannen, Deaccessioned Landscapes Hank Lazer, 3 of 10 Lisa Cooper, & Calling It Home Linh Dinh, American Tatts Phillip Foss, Chromatic Defacement Sheila Murphy, Teth Heather Nagami, Hostile Tenney Nathanson, Erased Art David MacAleavey, Huge Haiku Eli Goldblatt, Sessions 1-62 Eli Goldblatt, Speech Acts Gil Ott, Traffic Kristin Gallagher, ed., The Form of Our Uncertainty: A Tribute to Gil Ott Paul Naylor, Arranging Nature Bill Lavender, While Sleeping Myung Mi Kim, The Bounty Mary Margaret Sloan, The Said Lands, Islands, and Premises Karen Mac Cormack, Quirks & Quillets Karen Mac Cormack, The Tongue Moves Talk Larry Evers & Felipe Molina, eds., Wo'i Bwikam / Coyote Songs: from the Yaqui Bow Leaders' Society Peter Ganick, Nick Piombino, Hegelian Honeymoon Jerome Rothenberg, A Book of Concealments Nathaniel Mackey, Four for Glenn Allison Cobb, Born Two Todd Baron, TV Eye Nathaniel Tarn, The Architextures Elizabeth Treadwell, Chantry Diane Glancy, The Closets of Heaven Diane Glancy, (Ado)ration Charles Alexander, Hopeful Buildings HERE IS THE OFFER: Get a check to us within a week (postmarked by Sept. 8, 2007), and you will pay as follows: 1 book for $14 2 books for $25 3 books for $35 4 books for $44 5 books for $54 6 books for $63 7 books for $73 8 books for $82 9 books for $92 10 books for $100 11 books for $108 12 books for $115 Send an email to inquire about discounts when ordering more than 12 books. 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Check it out! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:52:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Bo Diddley - Who Do You Love? - health, etc. Comments: cc: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" , UK POETRY Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tom Mazzolini, the SF Bay Area Blues impresario, - used his Saturday KPFA radio show to say he had just learned that Bo Diddley had suffered a heart attack (apparently this was preceded by a stroke last Spring). Then Tom played Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love?" (below) - a song he wrote in 1953. Tho I probably heard this song a million times 'back in the day', I was thunderstruck by the language, let alone the audacity of the voice. Critics must have a name for this brand of surrealism, it's gothic, southern graveyard mock Satan/devil rattling bravado. This guy is going to control the whole street! Let alone happy or terrified "Arlene". It's a wonderful masterpiece. May Bo Diddley make it quickly back into play. If not, he leaves more than a few 'scorchers'. I walk 47 miles of barbed wire, I use a cobra-snake for a necktie, I got a brand new house on the roadside, Made from rattlesnake hide, I got a brand new chimney made on top, Made out of a human skull, Now come on take a walk with me, arlene, And tell me, who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Tombstone hand and a graveyard mine, Just 22 and I dont mind dying. Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? I rode around the town, use a rattlesnake whip, Take it easy arlene, dont give me no lip, Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Night was dark, but the sky was blue, Down the alley, the ice-wagon flew, Heard a bump, and somebody screamed, You should have heard just what I seen. Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Arlene took me by my hand, And she said ooowee bo, you know I understand. Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? Who do you love? ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 15:42:40 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: University of Southern California MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Director of Professional Writing Program, University of Southern California. The USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences seeks an outstanding full-time director of the Master of Professional Writing (MPW) Program beginning January 2008. The MPW Program is a dynamic multidisciplinary graduate writing program that offers writers the opportunity to sharpen their writing in an integrated curriculum of fiction, nonfiction, playwriting, screenplay, and poetry. Among its many graduates successful in publishing, film, stage, and business careers are prize-winning and best-selling authors and Academy Award nominees. The program reflects the energy of Los Angeles, a 24/7 hive of creative activity, with multi-ethnic, cultural, artistic, and intellectual energies. Duties include curriculum development and oversight, student and faculty recruitment, external relations, and teaching. For a complete description of this position, visit http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/mpw/faculty/directorsearch An MFA or equivalent relevant graduate degree is required. Published writer in multiple genres and experienced administrator with collaborative style desired. To apply, please submit electronically a cover letter, CV, and contact information for 3 individuals who can serve as references to: mpwdirectorsearch@college.usc.edu Copies of published work and letters of reference will be requested later. Consideration of applications will begin October 15, 2007. Web site: http://www.usc.edu/dept/LAS/mpw ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:32:38 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Jones Subject: Re: Bo Diddley - Who Do You Love? - health, etc. In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Stephen, I was listening to this song just yesterday. I'd always that it was pretty audacious (good word), when I heard it way way back. Out of another world. I remember him doing a gig at Sydney Uni, so long ago. He wasn't 22 then but he was still in charge. I mean, they wheeled him on and off stage but when he was there, he was there, doin the do with that square guitar thing he played. Hmm, Arlene's story, that would be interesting. Wonder if she was a cuz to Nadine (why can't you be true). Hey Bo Diddley Best Jill On 02/09/2007, at 7:52 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > Tom Mazzolini, the SF Bay Area Blues impresario, - used his > Saturday KPFA > radio show to say he had just learned that Bo Diddley had suffered > a heart > attack (apparently this was preceded by a stroke last Spring). Then > Tom > played Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love?" (below) - a song he wrote in > 1953. > Tho I probably heard this song a million times 'back in the day', I > was > thunderstruck by the language, let alone the audacity of the voice. > Critics > must have a name for this brand of surrealism, it's gothic, southern > graveyard mock Satan/devil rattling bravado. This guy is going to > control > the whole street! Let alone happy or terrified "Arlene". It's a > wonderful > masterpiece. > > May Bo Diddley make it quickly back into play. If not, he leaves > more than a > few 'scorchers'. > > I walk 47 miles of barbed wire, > I use a cobra-snake for a necktie, > I got a brand new house on the roadside, > Made from rattlesnake hide, > I got a brand new chimney made on top, > Made out of a human skull, > Now come on take a walk with me, arlene, > And tell me, who do you love? > > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > > Tombstone hand and a graveyard mine, > Just 22 and I dont mind dying. > > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > > I rode around the town, use a rattlesnake whip, > Take it easy arlene, dont give me no lip, > > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > > Night was dark, but the sky was blue, > Down the alley, the ice-wagon flew, > Heard a bump, and somebody screamed, > You should have heard just what I seen. > > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > > Arlene took me by my hand, > And she said ooowee bo, you know I understand. > > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? > Who do you love? __________________________________ Jill Jones Latest books: Broken/Open. Available from Salt Publishing http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710416.htm Where the Sea Burns. Wagtail Series. Picaro Press PO Box 853, Warners Bay, NSW, 2282. jandr@hunterlink.net.au web site: http://www.jilljones.com.au off the street: http://jillesjon.googlepages.com/home blog1: Ruby Street http://rubystreet.blogspot.com/ blog2: Latitudes http://itudes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:31:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eireene Nealand Subject: Russian Posmodernism MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know any postmodernist poets in Russia that need exposure or translation? I'm going to be hanging out in St. Petersburg for all of September translating and gathering interesting art works and thoughts. Would be glad to meet some new writers if anyone has any ideas about who might be interesting in this regard. I'm thinking that it might be good to meet some academics as well. Any Mikhail Epstein postmodernists out there? ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:38:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Gnoetry0.2 chapbook on Beard of Bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please take the time to read _King of Eatable Birds_, the latest entry from a human collaboration with the world's most handsome poetry-generating software. from the preface: "When writing about these beautiful poems, one should not consider them Anne H. Murdeus', or the machine's, but the collaboration between nearly two dozen human authors and math. Gnoetry allows for a nearly objective poetry, built from neutral code and human syntactic tendencies." htp://www.beardofbees.com/murdeus.html Thanks, and yours, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:33:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: "Redacted" stuns Venice/"Redacted" redacted for release/Govt, lawyers involved in edits, changes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While not approaching the kind of labyrinthine checkpoint obstacle course of the translations of the Guantanamo Poetry book, the issues of dealing with government "redactions" handled through lawyers in creating both the text and the images of Di Palma's film are in a similar vein. It's interesting also that via these pressures the writer/director notes how various documentary aspects had to be fictionalized. Isn't that what the government continually does--take the documentary and fictionalize it? Faces of Iraqis at the film's end were blacked out--censored--by order of the power that be. Not unlike Guantanamo prisoners' letters to families which are so blacked out all one may read is "Dear Mother: and "love, X". "Redaction" as "read action"-- "take some read action" on that writing! All to maintain a "willing suspension of disbelief" on the part of "critical" readers. Another form of "read action": Patrons of Independent booksellers are being asked to warn their favorite book stores about possible customers who purchase multi copies of the new book "The Israeli Lobby and American Foreign Policy". Apparently this is a tactic which has been employed with a number of books critical of Israeli policies or of the Israeli lobby/ AIPAC in the past. The tactic is to make sure the books are off the shelves as quickly as possible. White the "number of sales" will look impressive, the "number of readers" is actually the opposite. It's an inverted version of the poetry book or library book say, in which one copy of a book has many readers. http://us.f572.mail.yahoo.com/ym/ShowLetter?MsgId=9365_11976031_3280095_2926_7088_0_22512_23215_401040542&Idx=9&YY=38071&y5beta=yes&y5beta=yes&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:38:45 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Confusations: Seven Photographs and a Commentary" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The finished project: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Confusations/Introduction.htm __________________________________ Joel Weishaus Research Faculty Department of English Portland State University Portland, Oregon http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:20:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism In-Reply-To: <578647560709020131s5961f8c9l52b9bf673dc41340@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Eireene! Why not ask the langpo poets who have been there and made so many contacts...like Lyn Hejinian, Watten, Silliman?and crew from that joint work LEGEND was it? Also, I would imagine translator John High would be a good one to ask for being au courant on this...I do not have any of these emails but I'm sure you could backchannel here...good luck! I'd love to see the final results! -----Original Message----- From: Eireene Nealand To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 4:31 am Subject: Russian Posmodernism Does anyone know any postmodernist poets in Russia that need exposure or translation? I'm going to be hanging out in St. Petersburg for all of September translating and gathering interesting art works and thoughts. Would be glad to meet some new writers if anyone has any ideas about who might be interesting in this regard. I'm thinking that it might be good to meet some academics as well. Any Mikhail Epstein postmodernists out there? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:24:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: "Confusations: Seven Photographs and a Commentary" In-Reply-To: <004201c7ed88$1d562af0$0300a8c0@Weishaus> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Joel, when you keep referring to "this city" you might tell us what city it is. Or is that the point? I mean about being lost. You don't mean Portland,. do you? On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Joel Weishaus wrote: > The finished project: > > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Confusations/Introduction.htm > > > __________________________________ > > Joel Weishaus > Research Faculty > Department of English > Portland State University > Portland, Oregon > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > > G. Bowering Knows which door the tiger's behind. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:48:27 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Kenning Editions: subscribe by credit card MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Kenning Editions is pleased to accept direct, pay by credit card mailorders, via 2CO’s secure server . Visit our vendor page to order individual titles or a current subscription. In-print chapbooks are still exclusively available via Small Press Distribution . Especially enticing is the first opportunity to subscribe by credit card. By entering your subscription to Kenning Editions’ series of trade paperback volumes, you receive discounts on Dolores Dorantes’ sexoPUROsexoVELOZ and Septiembre (due mid-October for early November release) and Pamela Lu’s Ambient Parking Lot (due early 2008). You also support the press’ ongoing efforts to make important new writing available. Kenning Editions is a not-for-profit venture engaged in one sustained cry for help emitting from www.kenningeditions.com. A propos www.da-crouton.com, I’d like to offer a CD-R of randomly selected Da Crouton recordings (see posts in the “Recordings” category on the website) housed in a hand-printed sleeve featuring an illustration by David Larsen originally slated for the now-aborted first Da Crouton full-length release. Each one hand made. And if you send me a playlist with your order, it’ll also be custom made. $7.00/per from 2CO’s secure, online vending machine ! Da Crouton was born a repository for musical and other sound works, but eventually become just another poet's blog. A proper synthesis will one day soon be attained. Forthcoming titles from Kenning Editions: */sexoPUROsexoVELOZ /and/ Septiembre/ * *a bilingual edition of books two and three * *of /Dolores Dorantes/, by Dolores Dorantes * translated by Jen Hofer 978-0-9767364-2-4 $14.95 Dolores Dorantes was born in Veracruz in 1973 and has lived most of her life in Ciudad Juárez, where socioeconomic violence and politically-charged daily brutalities have informed her radically humane and beautifully incisive work as a poet, journalist, and cultural worker. Dorantes is a rare phenomenon among Mexican literary communities, in that she engages a wide-ranging international stance toward poetry and poetics while refusing to accept state support from a government she cannot respect. She has published four book-length works of poetry, and is a founding member of the border arts collective Compañía Frugal (The Frugal Company), which counts among its activities publication of the monthly poetry broadside series /Hoja Frugal/, printed in editions of 4000 and distributed free throughout Mexico. Regarding that publication, Dorantes writes: “The /Hoja Frugal/ is a project that came into being on September 9, 2001 in Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua (the so-called ‘crime frontier’). Our idea was to share the readings and translations in which we as writers are engaged. But more than anything, to share them with the community as a whole, not with the ‘intellectual’ community. Our intention was to give the community a breath of respite in the context of the growing phenomenon of violence we experience daily in this border zone.” Engaging this literary-political project from another perspective, */PUREsexSWIFTsex/ and /September/* are books 2 and 3 of Dorantes’ lifelong project titled /Dolores Dorantes/. A copublication of Counterpath Press and Kenning Editions. And eventually... */Ambient Parking Lot/*, by Pamela Lu. PROSE. Part fiction, part earnest mockumentary, /Ambient Parking Lot/ follows a band of musicians as they wander the parking structures of urban downtown and greater suburbia in quest of the ultimate ambient noise‑-one that promises to embody their historical moment and deliver them up to the heights of their self-important artistry. Along the way, they make sporadic forays into lyric while contending with doubts, delusions, miscalculations, mutinies, and minor triumphs. This saga peers into the wreckage of a post-9/11 landscape and embraces the comedy and poignancy of failed utopia. Pamela Lu is the author of /Pamela: A Novel/. Her work appears in the anthology /Biting the Error/ and in periodicals such as /Harper’s/, /Chicago Review/, /call: a review/, /1913/, and /Fascicle/. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:23:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: for poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings, we come in peace. Hello, I'm Jesse Crockett. I may or may not be a poet. We come in peace. I am forming a business venture for poets, hoping to capitalize (in a poetic way) on our good names. Starting a web hosting reselling business, you are welcome to join me in Web Poets Hosting, where each client will receive a welcoming postcard from each member of the Web Poets Hosting Collective. Gratis, Jess Crockett http://denacht.blogspot.com http://listenlight.net http://gravityway.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:38:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Bo Diddley - Who Do You Love? - health, etc. Comments: cc: Jill Jones In-Reply-To: <0B7855A9-DF6F-457B-9826-3F4F8F01E988@ihug.com.au> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Yes, Jill, I suspect Arlene, and Nadine are fallen out cousins of Ondine - the latter - in terms of Bo - probably not wanting to get that far 'down'. Stephen V > Hi Stephen, > > I was listening to this song just yesterday. I'd always that it was > pretty audacious (good word), when I heard it way way back. Out of > another world. > > I remember him doing a gig at Sydney Uni, so long ago. He wasn't 22 > then but he was still in charge. I mean, they wheeled him on and off > stage but when he was there, he was there, doin the do with that > square guitar thing he played. > > Hmm, Arlene's story, that would be interesting. Wonder if she was a > cuz to Nadine (why can't you be true). > > Hey Bo Diddley > > Best > Jill > > > > On 02/09/2007, at 7:52 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote: > >> Tom Mazzolini, the SF Bay Area Blues impresario, - used his >> Saturday KPFA >> radio show to say he had just learned that Bo Diddley had suffered >> a heart >> attack (apparently this was preceded by a stroke last Spring). Then >> Tom >> played Bo Diddley's "Who Do You Love?" (below) - a song he wrote in >> 1953. >> Tho I probably heard this song a million times 'back in the day', I >> was >> thunderstruck by the language, let alone the audacity of the voice. >> Critics >> must have a name for this brand of surrealism, it's gothic, southern >> graveyard mock Satan/devil rattling bravado. This guy is going to >> control >> the whole street! Let alone happy or terrified "Arlene". It's a >> wonderful >> masterpiece. >> >> May Bo Diddley make it quickly back into play. If not, he leaves >> more than a >> few 'scorchers'. >> >> I walk 47 miles of barbed wire, >> I use a cobra-snake for a necktie, >> I got a brand new house on the roadside, >> Made from rattlesnake hide, >> I got a brand new chimney made on top, >> Made out of a human skull, >> Now come on take a walk with me, arlene, >> And tell me, who do you love? >> >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> >> Tombstone hand and a graveyard mine, >> Just 22 and I dont mind dying. >> >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> >> I rode around the town, use a rattlesnake whip, >> Take it easy arlene, dont give me no lip, >> >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> >> Night was dark, but the sky was blue, >> Down the alley, the ice-wagon flew, >> Heard a bump, and somebody screamed, >> You should have heard just what I seen. >> >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> >> Arlene took me by my hand, >> And she said ooowee bo, you know I understand. >> >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? >> Who do you love? > > __________________________________ > Jill Jones > > Latest books: > Broken/Open. Available from Salt Publishing > http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710416.htm > > Where the Sea Burns. Wagtail Series. Picaro Press > PO Box 853, Warners Bay, NSW, 2282. jandr@hunterlink.net.au > > > web site: http://www.jilljones.com.au > off the street: http://jillesjon.googlepages.com/home > blog1: Ruby Street http://rubystreet.blogspot.com/ > blog2: Latitudes http://itudes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:58:01 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New de Blog,Interview, Comments: cc: UK POETRY , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ 1. Jack Spicer / Ocean Haptic (photographs). ...The ocean does not mean be listened to... 2. Eucalyptus Interupt Us - Guernica/Gernika: Parque de los Pueblos de Europa ...Wet. Unabashed. Forthright. Open. It seems ridiculous to give her a name= , an abstraction. What gives is beauty. The wetness that one might touch there, kiss there, lay ones tongue. Yet one does not.... 3. The Emperor of Ice Cream Meets My (91 Year Old Mom) The continuing sag= a with my mother, the poet:_ ...=B3Yes,=B2 she says, when I ask her if she wants to write. =B3Well, lets write one about The Emperor of Ice Cream.=B2 =B3How do you know where the Emperor is?=B2... If you have an interest, Tom Beckett=B9s interview with me is currently featured at Exchange Values. Includes reflections on current work (walking, transversions & haptics), origins and history as both a poet and publisher, and some of the various communities of poets (from virtual to local) in which I find my company as a writer. Your comments, as always, appreciated. Stephen Vincent Walking Theory (Junction Press) is my latest book. For more, including ordering information, go to: www.junctionpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:33:08 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Lee Bartlett - Marginalized Critic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed saintelizabethstreet.blogspot.com _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:53:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism In-Reply-To: <8C9BB9CADEBC396-474-4A21@webmail-md07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline An excellent person, especially re the post modern, the conceptualists and many others is Kent Johnson, co-editor of the anthology Third Wave which is the first anthology in English to have such important figures as the recently late Dmitiri Prigov. among a great many others. Mikhail Epstein whom you make note of--wrote an excellent piece as one of his two appendices to the Doubled Flowering Excerpts from the Notebooks of Araki Yasusada (who actually may/may not be Kent Johnson) in which he posits as hypotheses of the "real author" of these works either Prigov or Bitov, another of the poets in Third Wave, Another person, the most knowledgeable re the history and figures of Russian avant-garde writing from the beginnings of Russian Futurism and Zaum to the present is Professor Gerald Janecek, also a great and in most cases the only translator of a massive amount of Russian avant-garde poetry and manifestos of the last hundred years (Janecek for example has witten/translated the incredible book Zaum The Transrational Poetry of Russian Futurism and in a later work of his, a collection of essays, has many studies of contemporary Russian avant-grades as yet very little known outside Russia. Hi book The Look of Russian Literature remains the best study of Russian visual/sound poetry of the period 1907-1920 roughly. At the time of Third Wave (1992) most of the writers of the avant-garde in there were also hardly known of at all in the English speaking world.It's a classic groundbreaking work still.) (back channel for address) Janecek knows more than anyone re the kinds of writing up are interest in and also probably people to meet, and Johnson knows a great deal also about the poets and where many may be found as well. On 9/2/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > Hi Eireene! Why not ask the langpo poets who have been there and made so many contacts...like Lyn Hejinian, Watten, Silliman?and crew from that joint work LEGEND was it? Also, I would imagine translator John High would be a good one to ask for being au courant on this...I do not have any of these emails but I'm sure you could backchannel here...good luck! I'd love to see the final results! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eireene Nealand > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 4:31 am > Subject: Russian Posmodernism > > > > Does anyone know any postmodernist poets in Russia that need exposure > or translation? I'm going to be hanging out in St. Petersburg for all > of September translating and gathering interesting art works and > thoughts. Would be glad to meet some new writers if anyone has any > ideas about who might be interesting in this regard. I'm thinking > that it might be good to meet some academics as well. Any Mikhail > Epstein postmodernists out there? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:09:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Russian Posmodernism]] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070708060103080606060905" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070708060103080606060905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from Masha Zavialova, a Russian translator and sometime listmember; --------------070708060103080606060905 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Re: [Fwd: Russian Posmodernism].eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Re: [Fwd: Russian Posmodernism].eml" Return-Path: X-Original-To: damon001@sapphire.tc.umn.edu Delivered-To: damon001@sapphire.tc.umn.edu Received: from mta-w2.tc.umn.edu (mta-w2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.6]) by sapphire.tc.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E03F6337C for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:39:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from wm1.tc.umn.edu (wm1.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.117]) by mta-w2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:39:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] wm1.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.117] #+LO+NM+TR Received: (from prayer@localhost) by wm1.tc.umn.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) id l82IdIM10424 for damon001@umn.edu; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:39:18 -0500 (CDT) From: zavia001@umn.edu To: Maria Damon Subject: Re: [Fwd: Russian Posmodernism] Date: 02 Sep 2007 13:39:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Prayer v1.0.16 X-Originating-IP: [160.94.17.169] In-Reply-To: <46DAE871.10803@umn.edu> Message-ID: References: <46DAE871.10803@umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, i didn't. I am temporarily unsubscribed. I could give some names though. Besides the usual set of names, i personally like Sergei Stratanovskii (he used to be a librarian in the Public Library, Publichka, the main one), Larissa Berezovchuk, Aleksandr Gornon, Vladimir Kucheriavkin, all of them widely known in narrow circles (as the Russian saying goes). Stratanovski could help contact the others. She can contact me for more information. Hope this helps. masha On Sep 2 2007, Maria Damon wrote: >maybe you already saw this...? > --------------070708060103080606060905-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:36:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: FOR THE LOVE OF NEEDLES!!!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline in the Philadelphia area tomorrow night at the Troc in Chinatown poetry and music to raise money for our favorite bitch queen of darkness fresh out of ICU Needles Jones for details: http://CAConradEVENTS.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:51:01 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabriel Gudding Subject: Re: Five Enemies, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I liked what Andy said here (below) re Whitman. It reminds me of something John Muir said: "The hall and the theater and the church have been invented, and compulsory education. Why not add compulsory recreation?" <> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:23:18 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: Five Enemies, MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alan I'm fascinated by the want of writing, something you touch on here. Depending on the want of writing Craving may become Carving, cutting into oneself, or one other. Some of the most wicked people I've ever met are poets. There's so much envy and jealousy and it gets so thick in some of their blood it cripples. And there's a stench too from it. Maybe I can't tear my eyes away from these car wrecks because they are incredible, invaluable lessons for my own life. If there's a cure for any of it it's the nod deep into the concentration of writing. Not to disappear, not be the fantasy, but to get it all clearer, the bright brighter. There's a spiritual solution to poetry's problems of want and it's the poetry itself. And to me that's funny because not everything on the planet works this way of course. If the solution to the want of cocaine was taking the deepest hit imaginable, imagine that. It's as if poetry has the most manipulated back no saddle fits, yet any saddle fits if you use the saddle as a ladder beside it. If poetry rides you one day what's that about? I'm praying for spurs coming down into my thighs. Slippery works best, grease all the pens, CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 23:23:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Blogs--who reads them? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Blogs-- I recently told my friend, Dan....writing a blog is like writing a letter and putting it in an envelope that hasn't been addressed... you have to wonder who's going to read It.., but being a writer like you folks, I've decided to persist for a while. Well after casting about for a bit, I've decided to generally focus my blog on what I'm reading...If you're interested I'm posting on www.myspace.com/charlierossiter recent blogs are about John Fante (bukowski's literary hero), Zora Neale Hurston, and poets i'd like to sit down and have a conversation with--both living and dead. If you eschew Myspace, the same postings are at www.charlierossiter.blogspot.com I'd be glad to get any response, encouragement or arguments. The assumption is that we're all in it to learn. Charlie -- "Poetry is good for you and so is the blues." Charlie said that. www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by poets who wrote them www.myspace.com/whiskeybucketbluesreview hear Charlie & Henry sing the blues www.myspace.com/charlierossiter hear Charlie as solo performance poet www.myspace.com/avantretro (hear avantretro poems) www.myspace.com/jackthe71special hear Jack's original blues, blues rock & roots ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:32:46 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: "Confusations: Seven Photographs and a Commentary" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George: The pictures were taken in Portland, but not _of_ Portland. I respect art that is placed, but think it must also be unplaced, as if lost. -Joel =20 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:24:59 -0700 From: George Bowering Subject: Re: "Confusations: Seven Photographs and a Commentary" Joel, when you keep referring to "this city" you might tell us what city it is. Or is that the point? I mean about being lost. You don't mean Portland,. do you? On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Joel Weishaus wrote: > The finished project: > > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/Confusations/Introduction.htm > > > __________________________________ > > Joel Weishaus > Research Faculty > Department of English > Portland State University > Portland, Oregon > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282 > > G. Bowering Knows which door the tiger's behind. ------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:44:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Prague, Czech Republic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit All, Will be traveling to Prague in December and wonder if anyone might be able to provide me with information related to its current community of poets and artists - ie, feedback and places, contacts. Was last there about five years ago when things had begun to quiet and become a bit more orderly, will say, the rush of new ideas preceding this period slowing quite a bit, the old Globe Bookshop moving, some very talented people departing and new interests taking over. Your time will be much appreciated. Regards, Alexander Jorgensen -- Marcus Aurelius: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 04:03:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: CAULDRON VICTORIA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed CAULDRON VICTORIA CAULDRON http://www.asondheim.org/cauldron.mp3 words by alansondheim rearranged by azurecarter music and voice by azurecarter "Something glistening Something of skin and hair torn Charred, cracked, raw skin Read to be sure "Superimpositions Transformations through void Standing in For standing out "This grand season Before the festival of cauldron "I can hardly move I can hardly breathe Thrust among us Rendered parts Dismemberments Disease "Extensions of Chora Processes within Erratic behaviors Totality and sin "Intensions of language Partial Objects Created among clusters Infinite abacus "This grand season [...] "I can hardly move [...] "Ascendent maw O carapace Inclement weathers Metonymic process "Telling of culture I need to know Will you be auspicious Daishin Nikuko "This grand season [...] "I can hardly move [...]" VICTORIA http://www.asondheim.org/victoria.mp3 long harmonica solo on Hohner Victoria harmonica; this is from 1901 and unusual - there are no sound-holes, creating a soft 'velvet' sound (a long form replete with errors, working myself into and out of corners, pretending everything was/is perfect) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:27:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William James Austin Subject: Blackbox submissions In-Reply-To: <8C9B9FF38337457-A10-F84@webmail-db07.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, The submission period for Blackbox' summer gallery is now open, and will remain so for approximately two-three weeks.? Please consult the guidelines on the Blackbox page before sending your work.? Blackbox is located at WilliamJamesAustin.com/Blackbox.html. Best, Bill ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:28:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: Correct Bees link MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.beardofbees.com/murdeus.html http://www.beardofbees.com/murdeus.html Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 19:05:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mandy Laughtland Subject: free Teeny Tiny mini book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I have subscribed to this list for some time but haven't posted about my tiny publications before. Under the imprint of "Teeny Tiny," I make mini zines and chapbooks and distribute them for free or trade (I especially like to trade for other small books/zines). Please see my website -- http://www.teenytiny.org -- for more info. I thought some of you would be interested in my latest tiny book, which is the first "Teeny Tiny Time Machine" chap. Edited and with notes by Jesse Glass, "The Tremendous Adventures and the Mighty Deeds, Rise, Downfall, Life and Death of A. Jacks" is a tiny story written (we think) by Henry Faxon in 1853. This mini book is made from a single-sided photocopy folded to make 8 tiny pages and has cardstock covers which feature an original print. This mini book is available in a limited, numbered edition of 50 copies. If you would like a (free!) copy, please email me. If you would like to send me something as a trade, I would love that, but if you don't have a trade, that's OK, too. Just let me know (backchannel, of course) if you're interested. All best, Amanda Laughtland http://www.teenytiny.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:44:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: <46DB84A5.6020706@ilstu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed This is why the unschooling movement is an attractive option for =20 raising your children without subjecting them to metal detectors, =20 textbooks & bad teachers. ~mIEKAL On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > I liked what Andy said here (below) re Whitman. It reminds me of =20 > something John Muir said: > > "The hall and the theater and the church have been invented, and =20 > compulsory education. Why not add compulsory recreation?" > > > > < friends," to borrow self help lingo, if we might see these things =20 > as aspects of practice and awareness, rather than potential ruin in =20= > the writing practice? Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add =20 > that laziness can be a virtue as it forces us to acknowledge =20 > limitations of the self, and to come to terms with blockage or =20 > boredom as transitional states. New member Andy>> > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, =20 butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, =20 balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take =20 orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a =20= new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, =20 fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. =97Robert A. Heinlein ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:09:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: laura hinton Subject: call for papers on poet's theater MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline CALL FOR PAPERS for "Contemporary Poet's Theater: L-A-N-G-U-A-G-E and Beyond": A panel on critical approaches to poet's theater to be proposed to the 20th Century Literature Conference in Louisville Please respond with an essay abstract and bio by SEPT. 12. A print project may be in in the future on the poet's theater topic, so we are happy to learn of your interest. Description of panel proposal with submission instructions: In recent contemporary poetics, the term "poet's theater" has become linked with the "Language" group of writers and often directors of poetry-plays produced as low-budget staged performances in the late 1970's and '80's. Today, new productions of classic "Language"-oriented poet's theater abound, by writers including Leslie Scalapino, Carla Harryman, Charles Bernstein, among others. Yet there are also many contemporary playwrights in other settings doing work that is not only aesthetically related to "Language"-oriented theater, but which might be productively critiqued in terms articulated by Language writers and others writing on avant-garde performance art. These "other" are theater writers are those who are engaging in "poet's theater," by virtue of treating a written text as an act of performance -- the drama thus emerging not from some external "signified," but from within the "signifier," the poetic language, itself. This panel is an attempt to ground a definition of the term "poet's theater" in a potentially expanding notion of the contemporary working scene of today's American theater, both through under-financed small public venues (cafes or coffee houses or art-spaces) or in venues like Off-Broadway. It is also an attempt to take the recent use of the term by the Language writers into other realms of "language"-oriented theatrical poetics. We wish for presenters to look at what the embodied stage and poetic experiment have to offer one another, in practice and/or in conceptual theories. We are proposing this panel to the Louisville conference directors (conference to take place in February '08), with the hopes that we can bring new perspectives into a discussion of an often under-considered form of contemporary poetics: that which is written to be staged. We are looking for papers that consider specific poet's-theater works and their authors, approached from some knowledge of contemporary poetics theory or performance theory (or both). Since our topic concerns CONTEMPORARY poet's theater, please submit paper proposals only on poets of the theater who have emerged during or since the early stages of "Language" writing (including John Ashbery, Bernstein, Ntozake Shange, Harryman, Scalapino, Amiri Baraka, Cherie Moraga, Tracie Morris; as well as "non-poet" playwrights like Adrienne Kennedy, Anna Deavere Smith, or Suzan-Lori Parks -- the latter of whose works are based in a non-linear use of lyrical language). Historical influences, however, are also of interest. Send a 250-300-word abstract and title describing your paper topic no later than SEPTEMBER 12, by e-mail, to Laura Hinton ( laurahinton12@gmail.com). Accompany this abstract with the following cover-sheet information needed per conference requirements: * 1)Name 2) Address (preferably home) 3) Telephone number 4) Academic or other affiliation (if applicable) 5) Personal biographical note (100-150 words) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:17:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Five Enemas ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:54:19 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE i so agree with all of this. we have compulsory recreation already... what's that great book on unschooling called? not a great fan of heinlein's but i like that quote. best, g On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > This is why the unschooling movement is an attractive option for > raising your children without subjecting them to metal detectors, > textbooks & bad teachers. > > ~mIEKAL > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > > > I liked what Andy said here (below) re Whitman. It reminds me of > > something John Muir said: > > > > "The hall and the theater and the church have been invented, and > > compulsory education. Why not add compulsory recreation?" > > > > < > friends," to borrow self help lingo, if we might see these things as > > aspects of practice and awareness, rather than potential ruin in the > > writing practice? Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add that > > laziness can be a virtue as it forces us to acknowledge limitations of > > the self, and to come to terms with blockage or boredom as > > transitional states. New member Andy>> > > > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give > orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, > pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, > die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. > > =97Robert A. Heinlein > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:47:06 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: sidewalk blog (political content) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently, I started a "sidewalk blog." I paint signs on pieces of wood, drill holes in them, and hang them on chain link fences with pieces of wire. Have a look. If you click on the photos, they get bigger and a brief narrative appears: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6374&l=faa87&id=654553661 aloha, Susan Schultz ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:55:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unschooling and homeschooling really annoy me and i find the premises on which the movements are based (that public schools are filled with incompetents and that group education is inherently bad) insulting to the many wonderful public school teachers I know and love, including the ones who educated me. the foundational myths on which the "movements" are based are luxuries, moreover, of a class that doesn't require both parents to be breadwinners, and as such are a way of shirking the social responsibility to provide for the education of all children, rather than simply abandoning the concept of public education and providing for ones own. I'm not saying that someone won't learn in an unschooling environment, i'm saying that i reject the idea that public schools are mental poison and i defy anyone to show me any advantages of unschooling that aren't possible in public schooling when one remains active and involved in a childs education. people abandon public schools, and have done so for several generations now, and they wonder why people voted for george bush or can't find the united states on a map. rejecting public education means accepting the idea of living in an ignorant society. i don't accept that and don't think any one else should either. mIEKAL aND wrote: > This is why the unschooling movement is an attractive option for > raising your children without subjecting them to metal detectors, > textbooks & bad teachers. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > >> I liked what Andy said here (below) re Whitman. It reminds me of >> something John Muir said: >> >> "The hall and the theater and the church have been invented, and >> compulsory education. Why not add compulsory recreation?" >> >> >> >> <> friends," to borrow self help lingo, if we might see these things as >> aspects of practice and awareness, rather than potential ruin in the >> writing practice? Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add that >> laziness can be a virtue as it forces us to acknowledge limitations >> of the self, and to come to terms with blockage or boredom as >> transitional states. New member Andy>> >> > > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, > give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new > problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight > efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. > > —Robert A. Heinlein ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:25:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: News from Small Press Traffic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear Small Press Traffic Community, Our Fall 2007 Season is about to begin and as the new SPT Board President, I'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to our Fall Fundraiser, a performance of Celebrity Hospital, a play by Kevin Killian and Karla Milosevich. Celebrity Hospital features a cast of Bay Area poets, painters, video and filmmakers, cartoonists, theorists, novelists, sculptors, and curators and is an evening not to be missed! Additionally, you will be helping support and sustain Small Press Traffic, the West Coast's oldest and most important independent literary arts non-profit, as we push to make it through another year in an increasingly anti-arts-funding climate. Any support you can offer helps! CELEBRITY HOSPITAL by Kevin Killian and Karla Milosevich Friday, September 7th, 2007 Timken Hall 7:30 p.m. California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street San Francisco, CA 94107 All seats are $10.00. Plan to come early to get your tickets and have some wine & eats before the show. It's a party and these annual performances sell out fast! Also: There's no better time to become a member of SPT. This fall's line-up includes Tisa Bryant, Lisa Robertson, Claudia Rankine, Cathy Park Hong, Sarah Rosenthal, Linda Russo, Jennifer Scappettone, Joseph Lease, Rodrigo Toscano, a tribute to Robin Blaser, and many, many other poets as well. These events are FREE to SPT subscribers. Join us! Our Board has several new members and SPT's Interim Director, Dana Teen Lomax, has some exciting twists in programming planned for the 2008 season. For a full listing and for more information on joining Small Press Traffic, please check out our revamped website at www.sptraffic.org. See you Fridays, David Buuck & the SPT Team ************************************ Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, California 94107 415 551 9278 Please note our new email and web addresses: smallpresstraffic@gmail.com http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:47:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for saying this re: some of the stench, jealousy, stupid ambition. It exists everywhere, of course, but is uglier when it exists within poetry because of the danger of language itself to deceive and isolate.?The thing about it for me is that admitting to such would make it all clean. The truth is purifying. What I object to is the creation of a false self-image whether that be imbedded in text or part of personality pretensions--this falseness is what makes us flee culture to begin with--to end up within the same culture of false veneer is what has made me stop over and over--but then there is a limitation of ways to express so writing becomes inevitable.?I do believe there is beauty in honesty for its own sake. I re-wrote your words to prove it to myself once again?that there is no shame in anything/ only in wasting our precious time on earth lying to and opposed to one another: so to paraphrase and take possession of: "I am one of the wicked people for I am a poet and there's so much envy and jealousy in me,?it gets so thick it cripples, my blood, there's a stench to it."? -----Original Message----- From: CA Conrad To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:23 pm Subject: Re: Five Enemies, Alan I'm fascinated by the want of writing, something you touch on here. Depending on the want of writing Craving may become Carving, cutting into oneself, or one other. Some of the most wicked people I've ever met are poets. There's so much envy and jealousy and it gets so thick in some of their blood it cripples. And there's a stench too from it. Maybe I can't tear my eyes away from these car wrecks because they are incredible, invaluable lessons for my own life. If there's a cure for any of it it's the nod deep into the concentration of writing. Not to disappear, not be the fantasy, but to get it all clearer, the bright brighter. There's a spiritual solution to poetry's problems of want and it's the poetry itself. And to me that's funny because not everything on the planet works this way of course. If the solution to the want of cocaine was taking the deepest hit imaginable, imagine that. It's as if poetry has the most manipulated back no saddle fits, yet any saddle fits if you use the saddle as a ladder beside it. If poetry rides you one day what's that about? I'm praying for spurs coming down into my thighs. Slippery works best, grease all the pens, CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:04:40 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: sidewalk blog (political content) In-Reply-To: <46DC56AA.5000508@hawaii.rr.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT this is great! i'll look out for them. i'm here for another few days. can i forward out the idea to the ukiah parents for peace and others? hugs, g On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Susan Webster Schultz wrote: > Recently, I started a "sidewalk blog." I paint signs on pieces of wood, > drill holes in them, and hang them on chain link fences with pieces of > wire. Have a look. If you click on the photos, they get bigger and a > brief narrative appears: > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6374&l=faa87&id=654553661 > > aloha, Susan Schultz > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:13:34 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: <46DC90EF.9060204@myuw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE hi jason. i put both my kids through public school. if i hadn't been there (and most parents don't have the luxury of doing that either--most have to work at the time they're kids are in school), it would have been worse than it was. i'm a teacher too. there are wonderful teachers. there are also incredibly damaging terrible teachers, monstrous administrations, etc. the wonderful teachers i've known have often had to battle hardline administrations in order to be so wonderful. it was too often that the teachers my kids had put the kids down harshly, were more interested in discipline than learning, expected the kids to become obedient robots, had no imagination. even in the alternative charter schools i've been in, taht was too often the case: no lying on the floor, no freewriting, blablabla. in my view--and i see what the students who come to the university are like--often squished and afraid to express themselves, except for a couple of exceptions. if unschooling or home schooling is done in a group setting--lots of families grouping together--it doesn't ahve to be a privileged thing. can share. gabe On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > unschooling and homeschooling really annoy me and i find the premises on > which the movements are based (that public schools are filled with > incompetents and that group education is inherently bad) insulting to > the many wonderful public school teachers I know and love, including the > ones who educated me. > > the foundational myths on which the "movements" are based are luxuries, > moreover, of a class that doesn't require both parents to be > breadwinners, and as such are a way of shirking the social > responsibility to provide for the education of all children, rather than > simply abandoning the concept of public education and providing for > ones own. > > I'm not saying that someone won't learn in an unschooling environment, > i'm saying that i reject the idea that public schools are mental poison > and i defy anyone to show me any advantages of unschooling that aren't > possible in public schooling when one remains active and involved in a > childs education. > > people abandon public schools, and have done so for several generations > now, and they wonder why people voted for george bush or can't find the > united states on a map. rejecting public education means accepting the > idea of living in an ignorant society. i don't accept that and don't > think any one else should either. > > mIEKAL aND wrote: > > This is why the unschooling movement is an attractive option for > > raising your children without subjecting them to metal detectors, > > textbooks & bad teachers. > > > > ~mIEKAL > > > > > > On Sep 2, 2007, at 10:51 PM, Gabriel Gudding wrote: > > > >> I liked what Andy said here (below) re Whitman. It reminds me of > >> something John Muir said: > >> > >> "The hall and the theater and the church have been invented, and > >> compulsory education. Why not add compulsory recreation?" > >> > >> > >> > >> < >> friends," to borrow self help lingo, if we might see these things as > >> aspects of practice and awareness, rather than potential ruin in the > >> writing practice? Might I paraphrase Whitman loosely and add that > >> laziness can be a virtue as it forces us to acknowledge limitations > >> of the self, and to come to terms with blockage or boredom as > >> transitional states. New member Andy>> > >> > > > > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance > > accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, > > give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new > > problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight > > efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. > > > > =97Robert A. Heinlein > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:14:09 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: <46DC90EF.9060204@myuw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jason, it's not impossible to work to improve public schools while, at the same time homeschooling one's own children. And while you are quite right in identifying the class element to this, I know that if I ever had children of my own I would do my best to keep them out of the public schools until such time as dramatic changed had been effected. I, too, had some remarkable teachers. I also had horrible ones who didn't know their subject or who "solved" the problem of a student being harassed for a being a lesbian by calling a class metting in which she allowed the harassers to share their "opinions" of lesbians and then asked the lone harassed girl why she didn't say anything. There is a problem when people start to say that public education is inherently bad. On that, you and I agree. However, the way it is right now, I can understand why people would think so. Elizabeth Kate Switaj www.elizabethkateswitaj.net ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:04:11 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: "Disgruntled Former Lexicographer" (fwd) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT sorry if you've seen this before... or am i? gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 13:56:57 -0400 From: Shelley Reid If you were having a bad day on the dictionary-writing circuit, how would *you* define "mutton"? > > http://www.compleatsteve.com/essays/lexicographer.htm ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:40:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: 970-819-0614 Subject: Salerno Reading in Prescott, AZ Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you are in the AZ area you should check this out:: Mark Salerno will be reading from his new work, _Odalisque_ in Prescott this Saturday, Sept. 8th at 6pm in the Prescott College Chapel. 220 Grove Avenue, Prescott, AZ 86301. For better directions call (928)778-2090 For more info on Mark Salerno and _Odalisque_: http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/9781844713295.htm For more info on the event contact Grace egvajda@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:58:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: If you're in San Francisco on September 7 In-Reply-To: <6283ee870709030709g7c59cbacw312fb2b8e6155dac@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I hope you can come to see my new play, which I wrote with the video artist Karla Milosevich. WEe are putting it on as a benefit for Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center and it will be staged one night only, Friday the 7th, at 7:30 p.m. at CCA, California College of the Arts (Timken Hall auditorium), 1111 Eighth Street. Basically it's all about apodyopsis. Do we only know about apodyopsis in California? Then read on! KEVIN KILLIAN AND KARLA MILOSEVICH CELEBRITY HOSPITAL Apodyopsis--the act or condition of sexual excitement caused by exposure to medical procedures. To protect the privacy of his clientele at Celebrity Hospital in LA, top surgeon Dr. Tim Baldwin admits only famous people. Even the doctors and nurses are (or were) celebrities of a sort. It's another typical day at Celebrity Hospital, as everyone from Courtney Love to Kurt Russell and Diana Ross is having work done, and ingenue Scarlett Johansson, avoiding stalker Woody Allen, spends a day in the ward observing and nursing in preparation for her new role in the new Oliver Stone film about nurse politics. Then Dr. Baldwin and his staff are confronted by two grave ills, the eco-terrorists known as the Cult of the Black Feather, who demand universal facelifts for the poor and oppressed, and by a strange apparitions haunting the hallways and linen closets of Celebrity Hospital, that looks like a werewolf and seems to be after Hollywood's greatest and most ageless stars, most of whom suffer from apodyopsis, they never really experience sexual feeling unless they're having unnecessary medical procedures. Celebrity Hospital features a cast of Bay Area poets, painters, video and filmmakers, cartoonists, theorists, novelists sculptors and curators including Dodie Bellamy, Matthew Hughes Boyko, David Brazil, Norma Cole, Gerald Corbin, Kate Fowle, Craig Goodman, Cliff Hengst, Scott Hewicker, Colter Jacobsen, Kevin Killian, Mac McGinnes, Anne McGuire, Karla Milosevich, Tanya Milosevich, Chuck Mobley, Rex Ray, Laurie Reid, Lisa Robertson, Jocelyn Saidenberg, Leslie Shows, Wayne Smith, and Ryan Thayer. And from Madison, Wisconsin, a special appearance by the Primce Myshkins (Rick Burkhardt and Andy Gricevich). In one way or another the San Francisco Poet's Theater has been around for decades. Killian and Milosevich have collaborated on two previous plays, Love Can Build a Bridge (2003) and The Red and the Green (2005). If any of you can find You Tube then you can view a pair of coming attractions for our play: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do1BvtzCE-4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syf9zn_cll8 Check it out! Thanks for your time, Kevin Killian ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:27:26 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Niels hav Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: <8C9BC69ABF84DEB-87C-6671@webmail-md04.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed BITTERNESS by NIELS HAV Bitterness is the most durable result of much human activity – and you can’t use it for anything, so everyone denies it exists. Most store it in the back room, it is poisonous with a nasty colour. During busy times it plays dead lying desiccated in its little box but as soon as there’s an unguarded moment it demands attention. It lives off injuries and thrives perfectly well in winter; Christmas is a festival for it. When bitterness is fully grown it demands to be aired. Some take it along to the pub on the weekend, that works. Monday they show up at work and begin again. Bitterness longs for 5 p.m.; it speaks loudly to itself in traffic and may hawk a gob. Certain species prefer to live in exile. There bitterness can run free. It refuses to learn the language and lives on a diet of fermented insults. If it is rich, France is perfect. Well cared for, bitterness can grow to a good size. Most important is to avoid mirrors and emotional affiliations. Translated by P.K. Brask & Patrick Friesen © Niels Hav http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en/menu/PressAndCulture/CulturalCalendarforCanada/October2007/ >From: Bobbi Lurie >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Five Enemies, >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:47:46 -0400 > >Thanks for saying this re: some of the stench, jealousy, stupid ambition. >It exists everywhere, of course, but is uglier when it exists within poetry >because of the danger of language itself to deceive and isolate.?The thing >about it for me is that admitting to such would make it all clean. The >truth is purifying. What I object to is the creation of a false self-image >whether that be imbedded in text or part of personality pretensions--this >falseness is what makes us flee culture to begin with--to end up within the >same culture of false veneer is what has made me stop over and over--but >then there is a limitation of ways to express so writing becomes >inevitable.?I do believe there is beauty in honesty for its own sake. I >re-wrote your words to prove it to myself once again?that there is no shame >in anything/ only in wasting our precious time on earth lying to and >opposed to one another: >so to paraphrase and take possession of: >"I am one of the wicked people for I am a poet and there's so much >envy and jealousy in me,?it gets so thick it cripples, my blood, there's a >stench to it."? > >-----Original Message----- >From: CA Conrad >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:23 pm >Subject: Re: Five Enemies, > > > >Alan I'm fascinated by the want of writing, something you touch on here. >Depending on the want of writing Craving may become Carving, cutting into >oneself, or one other. > >Some of the most wicked people I've ever met are poets. There's so much >envy and jealousy and it gets so thick in some of their blood it cripples. >And there's a stench too from it. > >Maybe I can't tear my eyes away from these car wrecks because they are >incredible, invaluable lessons for my own life. > >If there's a cure for any of it it's the nod deep into the concentration of >writing. > >Not to disappear, not be the fantasy, but to get it all clearer, the bright >brighter. > >There's a spiritual solution to poetry's problems of want and it's the >poetry itself. And to me that's funny because not everything on the planet >works this way of course. If the solution to the want of cocaine was >taking >the deepest hit imaginable, imagine that. It's as if poetry has the most >manipulated back no saddle fits, yet any saddle fits if you use the saddle >as a ladder beside it. If poetry rides you one day what's that about? I'm >praying for spurs coming down into my thighs. > >Slippery works best, grease all the pens, >CAConrad >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >http://mail.aol.com _________________________________________________________________ Ta' på udsalg året rundt på MSN Shopping: http://shopping.msn.dk her finder du altid de bedste priser ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:47:25 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Marcacci Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit 'f'i've'en'em, i.e., s... -- Bob Marcacci Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy. - Howard W. Newton > From: Halvard Johnson > Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group > Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:17:57 -0400 > To: > Subject: Re: Five Enemies, > > Five Enemas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:35:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism In-Reply-To: <578647560709020131s5961f8c9l52b9bf673dc41340@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There is always the great Arkadii Dragomoshenko. I believe he is undertranslated. A prose book of his was recently published by Ugly Duckling Presse. I have never seen a book of his poetry translated, however. He gave great readings here ten years ago. You might contact UDP about newer writers. I don't have their address on me. But of course there is always the omniscient Google for that, I assume. Regards, Tom Savage Eireene Nealand wrote: Does anyone know any postmodernist poets in Russia that need exposure or translation? I'm going to be hanging out in St. Petersburg for all of September translating and gathering interesting art works and thoughts. Would be glad to meet some new writers if anyone has any ideas about who might be interesting in this regard. I'm thinking that it might be good to meet some academics as well. Any Mikhail Epstein postmodernists out there? --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:04:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: angela vasquez-giroux Subject: Revelator Press announces the release of Tim Lane's "Pure Pop" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Revelator Press publishes free (yes, free!) chapbooks for the masses. Their newest offering, "Pure Pop" by poet and painter Tim Lane is now available. Go to http://revelatorpress.blogspot.com/2007/09/pure-pop.htmland click on the image to open a free pdf file--the enjoy! "Pure Pop is just that=97a little bit of Coke, a little bit of homage to the Pops of the New York School, and a lot of heart. Tim Lane's gracefully fluent lyrics are celebratory, immediate, full of feeling, and full of life. Without falling into sloppy sentimentality or clunky derivation, Lane conjures his own world while stealing fire from the masters." =97Lisa Jarnot, author of Black Dog Songs and Ring of Fire Pure Pop delivers all of the delicious, unmitigated pleasure implied in its title. Tim Lane's poems, jubilant and experientially engaged, prove that joy too is serious stuff. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:10:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Subject: New Poetry Press Reading in Brooklyn - on behalf of Joshua Clover MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please come celebrate the release of Starsdown, by Jasper Bernes; Dark Brandon: Eternal Classics, by Brandon Downing; and Thine Instead Thank, by Jeffrey Jullich -- and the launch of in girum imus nocte et consumimur igni, publishers of unspectacular poetry. Monday, September 10, Pierogi 2000 Gallery, 177 N 9 Street, Bklyn Doors open 6:45; free wine + beer Short readings/screening introduced by Joshua Clover + Michael Scharf ----- thank you very much ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:35:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" THE RADICAL POET GROWS INCREASINGLY FAMOUS AT SUNSET =C2=A0 I shook his hand as a sacrifice to my fingers =C2=A0 The library of the West moved toward us =C2=A0 The many and different who dwell Who carry the language as signal =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * =C2=A0 No one admitted the personal =C2=A0 No one stood in the hall with its chipped gray paint Admitting we posed as historians of the plantation No one admitted the cotton =C2=A0 It was crucial to find the knee the ankle The sweat of the body It was his hand I took =C2=A0 For the text is but a fault line for desire A turning away =C2=A0 How the head is shaped distant from the nose His profile an insurrection an incursion =C2=A0 And no I did not believe his modesty =C2=A0 He said he forgot his water Then abruptly stopped talking After dropping a few names and locations =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 * =C2=A0 The=C2=A0worst thing about living alone Are the leftover potatoes on the stove Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Niels hav To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 2:27 am Subject: Re: Five Enemies, BITTERNESS=C2=A0 =C2=A0 by NIELS HAV=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bitterness is the most durable result=C2=A0 of much human activity =E2=80=93=C2=A0 and you can=E2=80=99t use it for anything,=C2=A0 so everyone denies it exists.=C2=A0 Most store it in the back room,=C2=A0 it is poisonous with a nasty colour.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 During busy times it plays dead=C2=A0 lying desiccated in its little box=C2=A0 but as soon as there=E2=80=99s an unguarded moment=C2=A0 it demands attention. It lives off=C2=A0 injuries and thrives perfectly well in winter;=C2=A0 Christmas is a festival for it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When bitterness is fully grown=C2=A0 it demands to be aired. Some=C2=A0 take it along to the pub on the weekend,=C2=A0 that works. Monday they show up at work=C2=A0 and begin again. Bitterness longs=C2=A0 for 5 p.m.; it speaks loudly to itself=C2=A0 in traffic and may hawk a gob.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Certain species prefer to live in exile.=C2=A0 There bitterness can run free.=C2=A0 It refuses to learn the language=C2=A0 and lives on a diet of fermented insults.=C2=A0 If it is rich, France is perfect.=C2=A0 Well cared for, bitterness can=C2=A0 grow to a good size.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Most important is to avoid mirrors=C2=A0 and emotional affiliations.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Translated by P.K. Brask & Patrick Friesen=C2=A0 =C2=A9 Niels Hav=C2=A0 http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en/menu/PressAndCulture/CulturalCalendarforCanada= /October2007/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >From: Bobbi Lurie =C2=A0 >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group =C2=A0 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 >Subject: Re: Five Enemies,=C2=A0 >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:47:46 -0400=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Thanks for saying this re: some of the stench, jealousy, stupid ambition. >= It exists everywhere, of course, but is uglier when it exists within poetry=20= >because of the danger of language itself to deceive and isolate.?The thing=20= >about it for me is that admitting to such would make it all clean. The >tru= th is purifying. What I object to is the creation of a false self-image >whe= ther that be imbedded in text or part of personality pretensions--this >fals= eness is what makes us flee culture to begin with--to end up within the >sam= e culture of false veneer is what has made me stop over and over--but >then=20= there is a limitation of ways to express so writing becomes >inevitable.?I d= o believe there is beauty in honesty for its own sake. I >re-wrote your word= s to prove it to myself once again?that there is no shame >in anything/ only= in wasting our precious time on earth lying to and >opposed to one another:= =C2=A0 >so to paraphrase and take possession of:=C2=A0 >"I am one of the wicked people for I am a poet and there's so much=C2=A0 >envy and jealousy in me,?it gets so thick it cripples, my blood, there's a=20= >stench to it."?=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >-----Original Message-----=C2=A0 >From: CA Conrad =C2=A0 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 >Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:23 pm=C2=A0 >Subject: Re: Five Enemies,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Alan I'm fascinated by the want of writing, something you touch on here.= =C2=A0 >Depending on the want of writing Craving may become Carving, cutting into= =C2=A0 >oneself, or one other.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Some of the most wicked people I've ever met are poets. There's so much=C2= =A0 >envy and jealousy and it gets so thick in some of their blood it cripples.= =C2=A0 >And there's a stench too from it.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Maybe I can't tear my eyes away from these car wrecks because they are=C2= =A0 >incredible, invaluable lessons for my own life.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >If there's a cure for any of it it's the nod deep into the concentration of= =C2=A0 >writing.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Not to disappear, not be the fantasy, but to get it all clearer, the bright= =C2=A0 >brighter.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >There's a spiritual solution to poetry's problems of want and it's the=C2= =A0 >poetry itself. And to me that's funny because not everything on the planet= =C2=A0 >works this way of course. If the solution to the want of cocaine was >takin= g=C2=A0 >the deepest hit imaginable, imagine that. It's as if poetry has the most= =C2=A0 >manipulated back no saddle fits, yet any saddle fits if you use the saddle= =C2=A0 >as a ladder beside it. If poetry rides you one day what's that about? I'm= =C2=A0 >praying for spurs coming down into my thighs.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Slippery works best, grease all the pens,=C2=A0 >CAConrad=C2=A0 >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >________________________________________________________________________= =C2=A0 >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >ht= tp://mail.aol.com=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _________________________________________________________________=C2=A0 Ta' p=C3=A5 udsalg =C3=A5ret rundt p=C3=A5 MSN Shopping: http://shopping.msn= .dk her finder du altid de bedste priser=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:21:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: call for papers on poet's theater In-Reply-To: <6283ee870709030709g7c59cbacw312fb2b8e6155dac@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi. I'm not a language poet or a post-language poet. Nevertheless, I've had three plays done by the Medicine Show Theater in NYC, one of which was previously performed at the Poetry Project at St. Mark's. I am interested in your topic but am not sure you're interested in me. By the way, the performance of my play was applauded by Charles Bernstein in Silliman's blog. Regards, Tom Savage laura hinton wrote: CALL FOR PAPERS for "Contemporary Poet's Theater: L-A-N-G-U-A-G-E and Beyond": A panel on critical approaches to poet's theater to be proposed to the 20th Century Literature Conference in Louisville Please respond with an essay abstract and bio by SEPT. 12. A print project may be in in the future on the poet's theater topic, so we are happy to learn of your interest. Description of panel proposal with submission instructions: In recent contemporary poetics, the term "poet's theater" has become linked with the "Language" group of writers and often directors of poetry-plays produced as low-budget staged performances in the late 1970's and '80's. Today, new productions of classic "Language"-oriented poet's theater abound, by writers including Leslie Scalapino, Carla Harryman, Charles Bernstein, among others. Yet there are also many contemporary playwrights in other settings doing work that is not only aesthetically related to "Language"-oriented theater, but which might be productively critiqued in terms articulated by Language writers and others writing on avant-garde performance art. These "other" are theater writers are those who are engaging in "poet's theater," by virtue of treating a written text as an act of performance -- the drama thus emerging not from some external "signified," but from within the "signifier," the poetic language, itself. This panel is an attempt to ground a definition of the term "poet's theater" in a potentially expanding notion of the contemporary working scene of today's American theater, both through under-financed small public venues (cafes or coffee houses or art-spaces) or in venues like Off-Broadway. It is also an attempt to take the recent use of the term by the Language writers into other realms of "language"-oriented theatrical poetics. We wish for presenters to look at what the embodied stage and poetic experiment have to offer one another, in practice and/or in conceptual theories. We are proposing this panel to the Louisville conference directors (conference to take place in February '08), with the hopes that we can bring new perspectives into a discussion of an often under-considered form of contemporary poetics: that which is written to be staged. We are looking for papers that consider specific poet's-theater works and their authors, approached from some knowledge of contemporary poetics theory or performance theory (or both). Since our topic concerns CONTEMPORARY poet's theater, please submit paper proposals only on poets of the theater who have emerged during or since the early stages of "Language" writing (including John Ashbery, Bernstein, Ntozake Shange, Harryman, Scalapino, Amiri Baraka, Cherie Moraga, Tracie Morris; as well as "non-poet" playwrights like Adrienne Kennedy, Anna Deavere Smith, or Suzan-Lori Parks -- the latter of whose works are based in a non-linear use of lyrical language). Historical influences, however, are also of interest. Send a 250-300-word abstract and title describing your paper topic no later than SEPTEMBER 12, by e-mail, to Laura Hinton ( laurahinton12@gmail.com). Accompany this abstract with the following cover-sheet information needed per conference requirements: * 1)Name 2) Address (preferably home) 3) Telephone number 4) Academic or other affiliation (if applicable) 5) Personal biographical note (100-150 words) --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:53:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Five Enemies In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" POET ABSENT OF LANGUAGE =C2=A0 Airless script of her situation Repeated into the ordinary Masking=20 =C2=A0 Her empty life Fill it with Muzak Fill it with the repeatable =C2=A0 Stay inside the poem Talk to the always companion The lover forever imagined =C2=A0 A man with his hand She forgets where the soft Indelibly so =C2=A0 How the famous poet she knows=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 speaks of Eastern Europe Not the boxcars death camps Just job offer=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 atmosphere =C2=A0 She started poetry too late Gray shape on the table=20 The poets she loves she loves =C2=A0 She walked into another room=20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 a language=20 Human skin turned into Human hair stuffing the inside of =C2=A0 Whatever the centerpiece Whatever interior of The body a house like pain =C2=A0 The cool breeze the open window Dark coolness Black boots of visitors The grass trampled On the way To becoming So many in these rooms Oblivious of sunlight Filled with sunlight Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Niels hav To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 2:27 am Subject: Re: Five Enemies, BITTERNESS=C2=A0 =C2=A0 by NIELS HAV=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bitterness is the most durable result=C2=A0 of much human activity =E2=80=93=C2=A0 and you can=E2=80=99t use it for anything,=C2=A0 so everyone denies it exists.=C2=A0 Most store it in the back room,=C2=A0 it is poisonous with a nasty colour.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 During busy times it plays dead=C2=A0 lying desiccated in its little box=C2=A0 but as soon as there=E2=80=99s an unguarded moment=C2=A0 it demands attention. It lives off=C2=A0 injuries and thrives perfectly well in winter;=C2=A0 Christmas is a festival for it.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 When bitterness is fully grown=C2=A0 it demands to be aired. Some=C2=A0 take it along to the pub on the weekend,=C2=A0 that works. Monday they show up at work=C2=A0 and begin again. Bitterness longs=C2=A0 for 5 p.m.; it speaks loudly to itself=C2=A0 in traffic and may hawk a gob.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Certain species prefer to live in exile.=C2=A0 There bitterness can run free.=C2=A0 It refuses to learn the language=C2=A0 and lives on a diet of fermented insults.=C2=A0 If it is rich, France is perfect.=C2=A0 Well cared for, bitterness can=C2=A0 grow to a good size.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Most important is to avoid mirrors=C2=A0 and emotional affiliations.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Translated by P.K. Brask & Patrick Friesen=C2=A0 =C2=A9 Niels Hav=C2=A0 http://www.ambottawa.um.dk/en/menu/PressAndCulture/CulturalCalendarforCanada= /October2007/=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >From: Bobbi Lurie =C2=A0 >Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group =C2=A0 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 >Subject: Re: Five Enemies,=C2=A0 >Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:47:46 -0400=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Thanks for saying this re: some of the stench, jealousy, stupid ambition. >= It exists everywhere, of course, but is uglier when it exists within poetry=20= >because of the danger of language itself to deceive and isolate.?The thing=20= >about it for me is that admitting to such would make it all clean. The >tru= th is purifying. What I object to is the creation of a false self-image >whe= ther that be imbedded in text or part of personality pretensions--this >fals= eness is what makes us flee culture to begin with--to end up within the >sam= e culture of false veneer is what has made me stop over and over--but >then=20= there is a limitation of ways to express so writing becomes >inevitable.?I d= o believe there is beauty in honesty for its own sake. I >re-wrote your word= s to prove it to myself once again?that there is no shame >in anything/ only= in wasting our precious time on earth lying to and >opposed to one another:= =C2=A0 >so to paraphrase and take possession of:=C2=A0 >"I am one of the wicked people for I am a poet and there's so much=C2=A0 >envy and jealousy in me,?it gets so thick it cripples, my blood, there's a=20= >stench to it."?=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >-----Original Message-----=C2=A0 >From: CA Conrad =C2=A0 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 >Sent: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:23 pm=C2=A0 >Subject: Re: Five Enemies,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Alan I'm fascinated by the want of writing, something you touch on here.= =C2=A0 >Depending on the want of writing Craving may become Carving, cutting into= =C2=A0 >oneself, or one other.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Some of the most wicked people I've ever met are poets. There's so much=C2= =A0 >envy and jealousy and it gets so thick in some of their blood it cripples.= =C2=A0 >And there's a stench too from it.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Maybe I can't tear my eyes away from these car wrecks because they are=C2= =A0 >incredible, invaluable lessons for my own life.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >If there's a cure for any of it it's the nod deep into the concentration of= =C2=A0 >writing.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Not to disappear, not be the fantasy, but to get it all clearer, the bright= =C2=A0 >brighter.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >There's a spiritual solution to poetry's problems of want and it's the=C2= =A0 >poetry itself. And to me that's funny because not everything on the planet= =C2=A0 >works this way of course. If the solution to the want of cocaine was >takin= g=C2=A0 >the deepest hit imaginable, imagine that. It's as if poetry has the most= =C2=A0 >manipulated back no saddle fits, yet any saddle fits if you use the saddle= =C2=A0 >as a ladder beside it. If poetry rides you one day what's that about? I'm= =C2=A0 >praying for spurs coming down into my thighs.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Slippery works best, grease all the pens,=C2=A0 >CAConrad=C2=A0 >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >________________________________________________________________________= =C2=A0 >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >ht= tp://mail.aol.com=C2=A0 =C2=A0 _________________________________________________________________=C2=A0 Ta' p=C3=A5 udsalg =C3=A5ret rundt p=C3=A5 MSN Shopping: http://shopping.msn= .dk her finder du altid de bedste priser=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:13:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism In-Reply-To: <129957.35260.qm@web31108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" One Dragmoshenko poetry book that was translated was Blue Vitriol. I remember reviewing it (favorably) about eight years ago. I forget who did the translations, but fairly sure it was Lyn Hejinian collaborating with a native speaker. Think it was a West Coast press that brought it out, but not sure which one. Could easily be Googled. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas savage To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:35 am Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism There is always the great Arkadii Dragomoshenko. I believe he is undertranslated. A prose book of his was recently published by Ugly Duckling Presse. I have never seen a book of his poetry translated, however. He gave great readings here ten years ago. You might contact UDP about newer writers. I don't have their address on me. But of course there is always the omniscient Google for that, I assume. Regards, Tom Savage Eireene Nealand wrote: Does anyone know any postmodernist poets in Russia that need exposure or translation? I'm going to be hanging out in St. Petersburg for all of September translating and gathering interesting art works and thoughts. Would be glad to meet some new writers if anyone has any ideas about who might be interesting in this regard. I'm thinking that it might be good to meet some academics as well. Any Mikhail Epstein postmodernists out there? --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:59:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: [Fwd: Digital media and learning grants] Comments: To: Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030101090800050901020301" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030101090800050901020301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------030101090800050901020301 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Digital media and learning grants.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Digital media and learning grants.eml" Return-Path: X-Original-To: damon001@sapphire.tc.umn.edu Delivered-To: damon001@sapphire.tc.umn.edu Received: from mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (mta-m2.tc.umn.edu [134.84.119.106]) by sapphire.tc.umn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id E08DD304F; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:29:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [128.101.226.32] (x101-226-32.cla.umn.edu [128.101.226.32]) by mta-m2.tc.umn.edu (UMN smtpd) with ESMTP Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:29:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Umn-Remote-Mta: [N] x101-226-32.cla.umn.edu [128.101.226.32] #+LO+TS+AU+HN Message-ID: <46DD95EA.8030600@umn.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:29:14 -0500 From: CLA Grants Support Team User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: Digital media and learning grants Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MacArthur Foundation Announces New Digital Media and Learning Competition Deadline: October 15, 2007 The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation (http://www.macfound.org/) has announced a public competition that will award a total of $2 million in funding to emerging leaders, communicators, and innovators shaping the field of digital media and learning. The competition is part of the foundation's $50 million Digital Media and Learning initiative (http://www.digitallearning.macfound.org/), which aims to help determine how digital technologies are changing the way young people learn, play, socialize, and participate in civic life. Awards will be given in two categories: 1) Innovation Awards of $250,000 or $100,000 each will support learning entrepreneurs and builders of new digital environments for informal learning; and 2) Knowledge Networking Awards of up to $75,000 will support communicators in connecting, mobilizing, circulating, or translating new ideas around digital media and learning. As part of their prize, awardees will receive special consultation support on everything from technology development to management training. Winners will be invited to showcase their work at a conference that will include venture capitalists, entrepreneurs, educators, and policy makers seeking the best ideas about digital learning. The open competition will be administered by HASTAC, the Humanities, Arts, Science, and Technology Advanced Collaboratory, (http://www.hastac.org/), a consortium of humanists, artists, scientists, social scientists, and engineers committed to new forms of collaboration for thinking, teaching, and research across communities and disciplines fostered by creative uses of technology. Detailed information on the competition is available online at the program's Web site. RFP Link: http://fconline.foundationcenter.org/pnd/10008667/dmlcompetition -- CLA Grants Team Gayle Anderson, CLA Fiscal Administration, 426 Johnston Hall, x6-9612 Jeanne Kilde, Institute for Advanced Study, 201 Nolte Hall, x5-6393 Barbara Scott Murdock, Institute for Global Studies, 280 Social Science Tower, x4-2745 --------------030101090800050901020301-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:07:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Literary Buffalo E-Newsletter 9.03.07-9.09.07 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LITERARY BUFFALO 9.03.07-9.09.07 BABEL Just Buffalo Literary Center is proud to introduce BABEL, an exciting new r= eading and conversation series that will feature four of the world's most i= mportant and critically acclaimed international authors each year. 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For more info, or t= o join now, go to our website: http://www.justbuffalo.org/membership/index.shtml UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will b= e immediately removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:54:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yikes! -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Halvard Johnson Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 12:18 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Five Enemies, Five Enemas ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:00:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Russian Posmodernism--Philip Metres MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Philip Metres has done acclaimed translations of the works of Lev Rubinstein, (book from Ugly Duckling--and more--) as well as of Dmitry Prigov and Sergey Gandlevsky, with whom he has also toured. Philip also is one of the rare poets/literary historian-critics who is also interested very much in the interrelationships of Poetry and War and Peace. His blogspot, taken after the name of an excellent book of his is on American poetry of war and resistance since 1941-, is: http://behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com (in the current issue of Big Bridge he has an excellent essay on this subject, a great & inspiring education to read, and a gold mine of source and reference materials.) Highly recommended!! david-bc http://davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:04:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I'm certainly not arguing that the public schools are perfect by any means. And since public schools have a large degree of autonomy, there is a great deal of variance in their quality from school district to school district. Certainly "No child left behind" has done severe damage to the integrity of public schooling in most states in the US. At the same time, though, the reason why the right was able to push through that agenda is because they've been so successful in creating the myth that there's something terribly broken in our public schools. That's not really the case. What's broken is the administration and financing of public schools, which is infected by the trojan horse of an ideological right wing that hates the idea of a free education for everyone being monopolized by the public sector. It's an ideology that has everything to do with a short sighted economic theory and nothing to do with what's the best for education. At the same time, you're right there are bad teachers and there are lousy administrations. Where I disagree with you is that i think there is a certain amount of value in learning how to deal with that. One of the things that i learned in public schools was how to deal with bureaucracys and how to work a system. I learned that because my parents were involved in my public education and i had a number of hands on lessons. Those skills have served me a lot better as an adult than what I learned in earth science or us history ever did. Which is not to say that they're good things, but they do have value, and one of the biggest advantages that kids in public schools have is that they're in an environment with built in diversity. If a kid gets a bad teacher, then at the very worst they're only going to ahve to deal with that particular bad teacher for a year. by middle school, they're only going to have to deal with that teacher for part of the day. and at the same time, getting multiple good teachers is as likely as multiple bad teachers, and I honestly believe that one good teacher can undo all the damage done by 100 bad ones. The problem with working to improve public schools by homeschooling though is that whatever work you do is offset by the fact that you've weakened the overall public school system by taking the energy you put into schooling your child out of the system thereby depriving the kids whose parents don't have the homeschool option of your enthusiasm for a good education. If a parent has the time and the energy to homeschool a child, why not put that energy and time into involvement with your child's local school? It's not like public schools put up a wall outside the school building to prevent parent involvement. And in the meantime you'll be teaching your child a valuable lesson about social responsibility and cooperation by your example, and you'll be more aware if there are any "bad teachers" hampering your child's development and you'll be in a better position to both offset any negative results there and at the same time keep your eye out for "good teachers" to get your kids with at the next school year. Parental involvement like that is one big reason that schools are better in the suburbs than they are in the inner cities, and it means that everybody, not just the children of financially well off people who have the bandwidth for homeschooling, benefits from those parents who have the resources to be more involved in the education of a communities children. That, to me, is the ideal of both fulfilling the parental and social responsibilities present in child rearing and i'm disappointed in people who choose not to when they have the capability to do it. On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Elizabeth Switaj wrote: > Jason, it's not impossible to work to improve public schools while, at the > same time homeschooling one's own children. And while you are quite right > in identifying the class element to this, I know that if I ever had children > of my own I would do my best to keep them out of the public schools until > such time as dramatic changed had been effected. > > I, too, had some remarkable teachers. I also had horrible ones who didn't > know their subject or who "solved" the problem of a student being harassed > for a being a lesbian by calling a class metting in which she allowed the > harassers to share their "opinions" of lesbians and then asked the lone > harassed girl why she didn't say anything. > > There is a problem when people start to say that public education is > inherently bad. On that, you and I agree. However, the way it is right > now, I can understand why people would think so. > > Elizabeth Kate Switaj > www.elizabethkateswitaj.net > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:14:15 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: WOMEN RESISTING MILITARISM AND CREATING A CULTURE OF LIFE (fwd) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE the women from hawaii are bringing a small chapbook of poetry they put together here. i went to a reading from it last week in honolulu. go see at la pena, berkeley, sep. 12. good people. gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:23:56 -1000 From: viviane lerner http://www.genuinesecurity.org/meeting1.html WOMEN RESISTING MILITARISM AND CREATING A CULTURE OF LIFE 6TH INTERNATIONAL MEETING Sponsored by Women for Genuine Security and PANA Institute Civil Liberty and Faith Project. COMMUNITY CONVERSATIONS: Sept. 11-14, 6.30-9.00pm Donations requested Internationally recognized women activists will share their experiences, strategies and projects to transform local communities and cultures affected by U.S. militarism. Local groups will talk about organizing across borders to transform U.S. policy and create a culture of justice and peace. Tuesday Sept. 11 VOICES FROM THE PHILIPPINES Filipino Community Center, 35 San Juan Ave, San Francisco (buses 14, 49; Balboa BART) hosted by babae, FACES, Gabnet. Wednesday Sept. 12 VOICES FROM PUERTO RICO & HAWAII La Pe=F1a Cultural Center, 3105 Shattuck Ave, Berkeley (Ashby BART) hosted by Bay Area Boricuas and others Thursday Sept. 13 VOICES FROM SOUTH KOREA Pacific School For Religion Chapel, 1798 Scenic Ave. Berkeley (Berkeley BART) hosted by KAWAN, KAUP and PANA Institute Friday Sept. 14 VOICES FROM OKINAWA & GUAM American Friends Service Committee, 65-9th St, San Francisco (Civic Center BART) hosted by Famoksaiyan, Friends of Okinawa September 15, 7pm WITH THESE VOICES: ART & EXPRESSION OF WOMEN IN RESISTANCE Join women from Guam, Hawaii, Japan, Okinawa, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, South Korea and the Bay Area in an evening of art and celebration. San Francisco Women=92s Building, 3543 18th Street (Mission/16th St. BART) THE OPPOSITE OF WAR IS CREATIVITY! These events are part of the 6th international gathering of a Network that brings together women from Guam, Hawaii, Japan, Okinawa, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, South Korea, and the U.S. to build and sustain a women=92s network to promote, model and protect genuine security in the face of militarism. For more information contact Women for Genuine Security, info@genuinesecurity.org, 510 849-8260 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D In accordance with Title U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/demilnet_Hawaii/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/demilnet_Hawaii/join (Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:38:52 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: the ottawa small press book fair - fall edition Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT span-o (the small press action network - ottawa) presents the ottawa small press book fair fall edition will be happening Saturday, October 27, 2007 in room 203 of the Jack Purcell Community Centre (on Elgin, at 320 Jack Purcell Lane). contact rob at rob@track0.com to sign up for a table, etc. General info: the ottawa small press book fair noon to 5pm (opens at 11am for exhibitors) admission free to the public. $20 for exhibitors (payable to rob mclennan, c/o 858 Somerset St W, main floor, Ottawa Ontario K1R 6R7). full tables only. for catalog, exhibitors should send (on paper, not email name of press, address, email, web address, contact person, type of publications, list of publications (with price), if submissions are being considered & any other pertinent info, including upcoming ottawa-area events (if any). also, due to the increased demand for table space, exhibitors are asked to confirm far earlier than usual. i.e. -- before, say, the day of the fair. the fair usually contains exhibitors with poetry books, novels, cookbooks, posters, t-shirts, graphic novels, comic books, magazines, scraps of paper, gum-ball machines with poems, 2x4s with text, etc. happens twice a year, started in 1994 by rob mclennan & James Spyker. now run by rob mclennan thru span-o. questions, rob@track0.com (don't call me! I'm not home!); more info on span-o at the span-o link of www.track0.com/rob_mclennan free things can be mailed for fair distributionto the same address. we will not be selling things for folk who cant make it, sorry. also, always looking for volunteers to poster, move tables, that sort of thing. let me know if anyone able to do anything. thanks. if you're able/willing to distribute posters/fliers for the fair, contact Grant Wilkins at grungepapers@sympatico.ca for more information, bother rob mclennan at az421@freenet.carleton.ca / or check out the link at www.smallpressbookfair.blogspot.com to find out about this and other fairs across Canada ================ -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... c/o 858 Somerset St W, Ottawa ON K1R 6R7 * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:40:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: new on rhubarb is susan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I hope all had a good Labor Day; one new review up this week, of Sarah Lang's The Work of Days, forthcoming from Coach House. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/ http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2007/09/sarah-lang-from-work-of-days.html Do drop by and comment as you see fit. Thanks for tuning in! Simon ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:47:35 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: it's great to be senile MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I crossed wires and attributed Parshchikov's Blue Vitriol to Dragomoschenko...my bad...it's great to be senile..okay, senescent....it's a long train ride.... makes me think of that great sonnet by ms. Mayer... "It would be nice to lose one's mind my mind I'd like to lose it I wouldn't mind at all To be in the lunatic asylum at last All for you and for the taxi drivers I'll go there and be asked what year what day it is & who's the president, how come he's a resident I could teach prosody there but nobody Knows what it is So send me away to anybody Anywhere who might Not know something I might not Since I must vice versa live Whaddya mean perforce? Army or navy or marines?" love that one! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:45:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Second call for poetry submissions for Big Bridge 13 (Jan. '08) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Friends and neighbors-- For a second (check out the first at http://www.bigbridge.org/ deathindex.htm ) mini-anthology of poems, this time inspired by/responding to/related to Czeslaw Milosz's poem "Dedication" and/or the various wars/ insurgencies/etc. going on in the world today, please send 1-6 poems to me at halvard@earthlink.net with the words "Big Bridge" followed by your own name clearly in the subject line. Please, when sending attachments, send all poems in a single attachment. This mini-anthology will appear in the January issue of Big Bridge, and I'll consider submissions of work received before the end of November. Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html Dedication You whom I could not save Listen to me. Try to understand this simple speech as I would be ashamed of another. I swear, there is in me no wizardry of words. I speak to you with silence like a cloud or a tree. What strengthened me, for you was lethal. You mixed up farewell to an epoch with the beginning of a new one, Inspiration of hatred with lyrical beauty, Blind force with accomplished shape. Here is the valley of shallow Polish rivers. And an immense bridge Going into white fog. Here is a broken city, And the wind throws the screams of gulls on your grave When I am talking with you. What is poetry which does not save Nations or people? A connivance with official lies, A song of drunkards whose throats will be cut in a moment, Readings for sophomore girls. That I wanted good poetry without knowing it, That I discovered, late, its salutary aim, In this and only this I find salvation. They used to pour millet on graves or poppy seeds To feed the dead who would come disguised as birds. I put this book here for you, who once lived So that you should visit us no more. --Czeslaw Milosz, Warsaw, 1945 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:48:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dale Smith Subject: Possum Ego Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" New stuff at http://www.possumego.blogspot.com on New Crit, rhetoric, public, unschooling, and membranes: "We don't read poems in order to know things anyway, but in order to prepare ourselves to receive the world words have made in us. The poem turns our attention away from ourselves in order to remind us precisely how thin the membrane between the inside and the outside is." -- Dale Smith La Revolution Opossum! http://www.skankypossum.com http://possumego.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:43:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: FIRST VISUAL POETRY BOOK PUBLISHED IN TURKEY APPEARS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline VG8gRGF2aWQtQmFwdGlzdGUgQ2hpcm90LAoKU2VsZWN0ZWQgZXNzYXlzIGFuZCB0cmFuc2xhdGlv bnMsIHRoYXQgaGFzIHRha2VuIHBsYWNlIGluIHBvZXRpa0hhcnMKYmVmb3JlLCB3aWxsIGJlIHB1 Ymxpc2hlZCBhcyBtYWluIHRvcGljIGluIGEgbGl0ZXJhdHVyZSBtYWdhemluZSwKY2FsbGVkIFlh c2FrbWV5dmUuIEZ1cnRoZXJtb3JlLCBhIGJvb2sgb2YgNDggcGFnZXMgdGhhdCBjb25zaXN0cyBv Zgp2aXNwb3Mgd2lsbCBiZSBnaXZlbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBtYWdhemluZS4gSW4gdGhpcyB3YXksIHRo ZSBmaXJzdCB2aXN1YWwKcG9ldHJ5IGJvb2sgd2lsbCBoYXZlIGJlZW4gcHVibGlzaGVkIGluIFR1 cmtleS4gVGhlIGJvb2sgY29udGFpbnMKdmlzcG9zIGZyb20gU2Vya2FuIEn+/W4sIFN1emFuIFNh cv0sIERlcnlhIFZ1cmFsLCBNLiBEYXZ1dCBZ/GNlbCwKWmV5bmVwIENhbnN1IEJh/mVyZW4sIE5p aGF0INZ6ZGFsLCBEZW5peiBUdW5jZWwsIEhha2FuIN5hcmtkZW1pciwKQmFy/f4gx2V0aW5rb2wg YW5kIEF5/mVn/GwgVPZ6ZXJlbi4gQWxzbywgdGhlcmUgd2lsbCBiZSB2aXN1YWwgcG9lbXMKb2Yg SmltIExlZndpY2gsIEdlb2YgSHV0aCwgSm9obiBNLiBCZW5uZXR0LCBBbm5hIEhhbGxiZXJnLApE YXZpZC1CYXB0aXN0ZSBDaGlyb3QgYXMgc2FtcGxlcyBpbiB0aGUgVmlzdWFsIFBvZXRyeSBGaWxl IGluCllhc2FrbWV5dmUuCgpSZWdhcmRzLApBeXNlZ3VsCgoKCl9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fCkRpc2NvdmVyIHRoZSBuZXcgV2luZG93cyBWaXN0YSBMZWFybiBtb3JlIQo= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:34:13 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Leslie Scalapino Subject: O Books 9/11 reading at City Lights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 9/11-O Books reading at City Lights: Michael McClure, Lyn Hejinian, Rob = Halpern, Leslie Scalapino,=20 Suzanne Stein, Jocelyn Saidenberg, and=20 Jen Scappettone will celebrate the publication of War and Peace 3/The = Future, co-edited by Judith Goldman and Leslie Scalapino, published by O = Books and featuring forty poets. The time of the reading is 7:00 PM on = Tuesday 9/11/2007. City Lights Books, 261 Columbus at Broadway in San = Francisco.=20 War and Peace 3/The Future, O Books, 168 pages, $14. ISBN # = 1-882022-65-3. Distributed by Small Press Distribution: 1341 Seventh St. = Berkeley CA 94710.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:44:12 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Potree Journal Subject: LRL Reading Period Now Open Comments: To: wom-po@usm.maine.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Little Red Leaves is now reading general submissions for its second issue, which should be out around the new year. The reading period for general submissions ends on December 15th. Guidelines can be found here: http://littleredleaves.com/About/about.html. Please also note the open reading period for our upcoming special feature on the work of John Taggart: http://littleredleavesjournal.blogspot.com/2007/07/open-call-for-responses-to-john-taggart.html. Many thanks, LRL Editors ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:04:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: wil Hallgren Subject: Re: home schooling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Penury is the problem! everyone wants to fix public education but no one wa= nts to pay for it.=0A =0AAs an NYC public High School teacher, I have seen = many students try to enter High School after being home-schooled through Mi= ddle School or longer. They often suffer serious deficiencies due to some,= or all, of the following:=0A 1) lack of social interaction with "real w= orld" peers (for better or for worse);=0A 2) ineptitude of their well me= aning, but unprofessional, and unqualified homeschoolers;=0A 3) bizarre = agenda driven curtailing (or even more bizarre expansion) of essential cont= ent and information;=0A 4) willful blindness on the part of the parents = that the child is not as gifted or as extraordinary as the parents had taci= tly assumed.=0A=0AI often find that the homeschooled students themselves fe= el betrayed by their homeschool background because they clearly recognize t= hat it has not prepared them to compete or even properly interact with the = other students. They often waste a year in a school hoping to find a more = receptive school elsewhere.=0A =0AResearch generally comes in with an optim= al class size of 14 to 17 students. This allows for adequate teacher-to-stu= dent attention and enough diversity for student-to-student give and take. H= omeschooling pods(forgive me for an inevitable Jack Finney allusion) almost= always fall far short of this, and public school text-book-lab-rat-overcro= wding-horrors often far exceed this. My own classes are routinely programm= ed for 34 students. If I were to dedicate just two minutes to each student= in each of my five classes per day, my seven hour day becomes a 13.75 hour= day (If I spent a more generous five minutes per student then it becomes a= 21 hour day). This, combined with a general lack of respect for the profe= ssion and a lack of parental accontability, is why Public School teachers l= eave the profession in droves!=0A =0AThis is, also, why urban people are te= mpted to homeschool. The teachers who teach their children cannot give the= ir children adequate quality attention.=0A =0AI am an educator and a parent= of a seven year old. My daughter is in public school. We researched and = moved to find an adequate district. We are terrified of Middle School, as = every kid and parent should be. I believe in public education [which is ve= ry definately currently in peril] but I know its limitations better than mo= st.=0A=0AQuick-fix Politicians who have a term-limited shelf life, or Monda= y-Morning-Quarterback-Ivory-Tower types, should not be entrusted with the e= ducational process which really takes a life-time immersed in life to achie= ve. We need to get away from the cheaply maintained trained seal mentality = that has overtaken education.=0A=0AOur real National Defense is an Educated= population (just ask Thomas Jefferson)!=0A=0ABy the way if they were reall= y educated, wouldn't they just love and support Poets!=0A =0AWil Hallgren= =0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Elizabeth Switaj =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday, September 4, 2007= 12:14:09 AM=0ASubject: Re: Five Enemies,=0A=0A=0AJason, it's not impossibl= e to work to improve public schools while, at the=0Asame time homeschooling= one's own children. And while you are quite right=0Ain identifying the cl= ass element to this, I know that if I ever had children=0Aof my own I would= do my best to keep them out of the public schools until=0Asuch time as dra= matic changed had been effected.=0A=0AI, too, had some remarkable teachers.= I also had horrible ones who didn't=0Aknow their subject or who "solved" = the problem of a student being harassed=0Afor a being a lesbian by calling = a class metting in which she allowed the=0Aharassers to share their "opinio= ns" of lesbians and then asked the lone=0Aharassed girl why she didn't say = anything.=0A=0AThere is a problem when people start to say that public educ= ation is=0Ainherently bad. On that, you and I agree. However, the way it = is right=0Anow, I can understand why people would think so.=0A=0AElizabeth = Kate Switaj=0Awww.elizabethkateswitaj.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:07:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tarpaulin Sky Press & Journal Subject: Call for full-length & chap manuscripts of poetry / fiction / hybrid forms, etc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tarpaulin Sky Press http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/Press/index.html is reading full-length and chapbook-length manuscripts from September through October 31, 2007. Please do not query first; simply mail the manuscript according to the directions below. Past contributors to the journal-as well as writers whose work has been accepted for publication in future issues-may submit their manuscripts with no reading fee. Writers who have not been published in our journal should include a $20 check to cover reading fees and to receive a trade paperback edition of the TSky Press book of their choice (chapbooks and handbound editions are not available in this manner). Be sure to indicate which title you would like to receive, and include a self-addressed envelope 6"x9" or larger so we may mail your book. Cover letters are read with interest. We like to know who your are, what you're up to, and where we can read more of your work. We do accept simultaneous submissions but ask that you let us know immediately if your manuscript is accepted elsewhere. Individual pieces from the manuscript may have been previously published in magazines and anthologies, but the collection as a whole must be unpublished. Be sure that your title page includes your name, address, telephone number, email address, etc. Send one copy of your manuscript submission with two copies of the title page. For notification of decisions, include a business-sized SASE. If you would like to receive acknowledgment of the receipt of your manuscript, please include a stamped, self-addressed postcard. Manuscripts cannot be returned. Please do not send us your only copy. Please make your check payable to Tarpaulin Sky Press. Send your manuscript to Tarpaulin Sky Press PO Box 155 Townshend, VT 05353 Notification of decisions will be made on or before December 15, 2007. Publication of accepted manuscripts will be in Fall 2008 or Spring 2009. The above guidelines are also available at http://www.tarpaulinsky.com/guidelines.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:34:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Five Enemies, In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There is a movement of public charter schools throughout country. Provides inclusion and special services for children with disabilities. Regular communication with teachers. Some amazing experiments and dedicated teachers who are very much aware of all issues raised. From: Jason Quackenbush jfq@MYUW.NET Sent: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 1:04 pm I'm certainly not arguing that the public schools are perfect by any means. And since public schools have a large degree of autonomy, there is a great deal of variance in their quality from school district to school district. Certainly "No child left behind" has done severe damage to the integrity of public schooling in most states in the US. At the same time, though, the reason why the right was able to push through that agenda is because they've been so successful in creating the myth that there's something terribly broken in our public schools. That's not really the case. What's broken is the administration and financing of public schools, which is infected by the trojan horse of an ideological right wing that hates the idea of a free education for everyone being monopolized by the public sector. It's an ideology that has everything to do with a short sighted economic theory and nothing to do with what's the best for education.? ? At the same time, you're right there are bad teachers and there are lousy administrations. Where I disagree with you is that i think there is a certain amount of value in learning how to deal with that. One of the things that i learned in public schools was how to deal with bureaucracys and how to work a system. I learned that because my parents were involved in my public education and i had a number of hands on lessons. Those skills have served me a lot better as an adult than what I learned in earth science or us history ever did. Which is not to say that they're good things, but they do have value, and one of the biggest advantages that kids in public schools have is that they're in an environment with built in diversity. If a kid gets a bad teacher, then at the very worst they're only going to ahve to deal with that particular bad teacher for a year. by middle school, they're only going to have to deal with that teacher for part of the day. and at the same time, getting m ultiple good teachers is as likely as multiple bad teachers, and I honestly believe that one good teacher can undo all the damage done by 100 bad ones.? ? The problem with working to improve public schools by homeschooling though is that whatever work you do is offset by the fact that you've weakened the overall public school system by taking the energy you put into schooling your child out of the system thereby depriving the kids whose parents don't have the homeschool option of your enthusiasm for a good education. If a parent has the time and the energy to homeschool a child, why not put that energy and time into involvement with your child's local school? It's not like public schools put up a wall outside the school building to prevent parent involvement. And in the meantime you'll be teaching your child a valuable lesson about social responsibility and cooperation by your example, and you'll be more aware if there are any "bad teachers" hampering your child's development and you'll be in a better position to both offset any negative results there and at the same time keep your eye out for "good teachers" to get your kids w ith at the next school year. Parental involvement like that is one big reason that schools are better in the suburbs than they are in the inner cities, and it means that everybody, not just the children of financially well off people who have the bandwidth for homeschooling, benefits from those parents who have the resources to be more involved in the education of a communities children. That, to me, is the ideal of both fulfilling the parental and social responsibilities present in child rearing and i'm disappointed in people who choose not to when they have the capability to do it.? ? On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Elizabeth Switaj wrote:? ? > Jason, it's not impossible to work to improve public schools while, at the? > same time homeschooling one's own children. And while you are quite right? > in identifying the class element to this, I know that if I ever had children? > of my own I would do my best to keep them out of the public schools until? > such time as dramatic changed had been effected.? >? > I, too, had some remarkable teachers. I also had horrible ones who didn't? > know their subject or who "solved" the problem of a student being harassed? > for a being a lesbian by calling a class metting in which she allowed the? > harassers to share their "opinions" of lesbians and then asked the lone? > harassed girl why she didn't say anything.? >? > There is a problem when people start to say that public education is? > inherently bad. On that, you and I agree. However, the way it is right? > now, I can understand why people would think so.? >? > Elizabeth Kate Switaj? > www.elizabethkateswitaj.net? >? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:27:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Karen Randall Subject: Portrait Sitters MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII A new publication from Propolis Press: 'Portrait Sitters' by Jane Rice "The light, quick turns of language here really sparkle! And the vivid details Rice chooses seem to come out of nowhere to land perfectly, precisely, every time. Like any excellent portraitist, she exposes her subjects' emotional landscapes, but she also goes beyond the frame of the individual to evoke an entire time and place. Montparnasse between the wars was so full of color, and Jane Rice re-enacts it here." -- Cole Swensen, author of Goest 20 prose poems by Jane Rice. Each of the poems is printed on the recto (with generous white space & blank verso) with a white 'portrait' square printed above each poem. The book measures 9+ 1/2 x 12+ 3/4. 44 pp. Letterpress printed by Dan Keleher on Mohawk Letterpress paper from Univers type cast by Ed Rayher (with titles handset from original mid-1950s ATF Univers foundry type). Printed in an edition of 150 with a limited additional set of deluxe copies which include a four-color image printed on gampi by means of a Vandercook press by Karen Randall. Hand bound. $25 for the regular edition and $50 for the deluxe. please also include $10 for shipping & handling more info at http://www.propolispress.com/portraitsitters.html Propolis Press 21 Winthrop Street Northampton, MA 01060 info@propolispress.com http://www.propolispress.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 00:02:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: phenomenology of radio earth MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed phenomenology of radio earth phenomenology of the earth in relation to vlf and crystal - how fields recreate an alternative 'mapping' of the planet, encased in a skein or membrane of radiation (radiations, single or plural). these mappings are always 'cleansed' - pure no matter what the ostensible content of the carriers. from a technical viewpoint it's all modulation, all encoding. extrapolate from this back to visual perception - there's that neutrality again, as if every visible, every wound, suture, object, process, were not only of equal value, but of null value, or rather - as if value had no place in the world. Buddha might have relegated suffering to the broadcast band. induction forms intimacies with the earth; crystals are the fundamental filters, assigning direction and flux to topological space. earphones etc. are nothing more than mechanisms of evidence; - it's here that the origin enters into the image - earphones establish the origin: of the perceiver, but also of the signal content and the implications of the location of the signal itself, if not the location itself. loop and magnetism, but also loop and interrupter, the self-containment of the loop. the loop virtualizes the magnetic flux transmission, inheres it. the phenomenology of the open ground/antenna system implying segment or vector; the earth and skies are tied to their fields, extended elsewhere and continuously. this tends to become too mystical, too much Heidegger who might has well been describing early radio; the Fourfold is superhetrodyning. >> the idea is to listen to the weakest part of the band, amplify until something, no matter what, is heard - the potential well falls apart here - i.e. the signal-to-noise ratio of safe information collapses. << think of coils and communities, coils as circumambulations surrounding what is peripheral, perhaps preset. communities of ostensible content, speech, interferences, adjacencies. capacitors - inductors - proximities all: metal near metal, curled or flattened. every capacitor induces, every inductor capacitates. CB radio as relic community - how does this relate to the net - CB hacking - how does this relate to codework. CB: local straggling across the earth; your car or truck extends nine-miles in every direction. what could constitute mineral or organic inductors, capacitors - was there physical circuitry before humans. it's important to imagine radio as al- ways already present, not only as background/interference, but as fore- ground/content, intentional transmission. http://www.asondheim.org/radioearth.gif i don't want to harbor on this, remain in this harbor of spectral audio. i don't want to remain here, i want to point out the myriad phenomena, their constituents, their being-thought-through in problem worlds, or rather, their problems in the worlds of knowing. then it's time to leave the con- sort, or for random acts of internalization, surgical knowledge, then it's time to leave those as well. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:50:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schneider Hill Subject: Time to Preorder Nico Vassilakis' Text Loses Time MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ANNOUNCING NICO VASSILAKIS' TEXT LOSES TIME (Go to http://scorecard.typepad.com to download a pdf file of the release.) ManyPenny Press is pleased to announce the release of TEXT LOSES TIME by Nico Vassilakis. This necessary work spans roughly 15 years of the author's efforts in both textual and visual writing. It is Vassilakis' first full-length book. TEXT LOSES TIME Afterword by Nick Piombino 188 pp. ISBN-10: 0-9798478-0-X ISBN-13: 978-0-9798478-0-6 CONTACT AND ORDERING INFORMATION: ManyPenny Press 1111 E. Fifth St. Moscow, ID 83843 $15.95 + $2 postage (Advance orders will receive the book post-paid.) AUTHOR'S STATEMENT: This book intends to present both verbal and visual poetries as equal. Though notions of poetics have shifted and swerved, what has stayed solid throughout is that the alphabet, the word - however arranged - contains, within it, dual significance. First, the proto-historic role of the visual conveyance of represented fact. Second, the overriding desire of human utterance to substantiate existence. In conjoining these two models this book hopes to form a third, blurred value. Thought and experience are factors that accrue, while staring and writing help resolve and conclude. Text itself is an amalgam of units of meaning. As you stare at text you notice the visual aspects of letters. As one stares further, meaning loses its hierarchy and words discorporate and the alphabet itself begins to surface. Shapes, spatial relations and visual associations emerge as one delves further. Alphabetic bits or parts or snippets of letters can create an added visual vocabulary amidst the very text one is reading. One aim, to this end, is to merge and hinge visual and textual writing into workable forms. This book collects some of these experiments. SAMPLE OF WORK FROM "TEXT LOSES TIME": FROM "THE SCAFFOLDING" The Rhymes of Vellum A boy or girl, Vellum, blows a few papers in the wind It answers noise Hopping, hopped. Tapping, tapped Swim sweet twins swing twig Think of losing, serendipity or the wings of a sentence He will get them, but not tell you where they were I like to drink through my brother's center A finger's rose begins A shadow grows down the sidewalk Clapping, clapped It helps to rip this box open Sound harbor, sound hole Blind rose is a very shape friend I want a shirt to visit my slacks Moon noose soon loose A good look at the cookbook - lots of o's - ghost epaulets on the shoulders of a paragraph Dishes mixes, buses guesses I sit down to work; I draw with my right hand The response sadly is never Living as wide as it gets Think sift You could fault the long moth, the dog lost in soft fog, but it's the song's cost, its crust I got frogs in my throat, a forehead throat Boris said, "Your throat's red." Timothy hums a nail into the wood I run uphill swimming The test isn't over The floor's hard The new girl at school Can you look at a book without getting caught on a line? Like radio, writing is a broadcast They found people in the mailbox A huge gem in a cage Susan flips back to the glossary Only a certain type of fastener The letter "R" in each corner of a page Unexpectedly the middle is empty Next, write your best trick Most banjo Odd pretty piece asleep A drum whisking discard into cream In this way we raise our pigs on fire & Kenny is always six yards old The donkey said, "Enough." The donkey said, "English." Dark thoughts won't cure light sickness The ladder moved slightly throws the world in disarray The teacher's a bird and flies out the window They had found their clown center Art will say, "I like to pitch. What is your name?" Art will say, "Hi, I'm Art. I like to pitch. What's your name?" Slowly toward a large bird Paper hats, cats A lot of noise comes to visit Long thin water in a line of people I called you once today to say geese make a village of gold & both of my little friends like to sing. Their secret voices are beautiful Spray Spray Spray COMMENTS ON TEXT LOSES TIME: "Part nested Minimalist cubes and part laser light that won't diverge across distance, Nico Vassilakis' poetry seems to ask whether we are primates at play on a baseball diamond of memory and desire beside mural-lined public structures slipping toward infinite regression. Richly iterative, these pairings and alphabets escape the mirror to thrill us with variation and sting all forms of complacency. Vassilakis extends Oulipian strategies: Perec references, lamellisections, crystalline build-outs and transpositions, a scat of nonrepresentational vocables, lettered whirlwinds giving speed for legibility, -- "extracting the gem through layers of gauze" and, other times, lowering a gem into a fold. Can an argument between a machine that produces texts and "longhand into tiny notebooks" wake us up? In pain, "the throbbing thumb" makes us "attend to the living." If Vassilakis revises the rock lyric "meet-the-new-boss, same-as-the-old-boss" to "meet the solipsistic era. same as the old solipsistic era," is treatment to be had in a bar, a science lab, or will it reach us over the radio? Try a road trip, so "you can't afford to blink, to be blind for even a second" going through a colander out where dust is breeding and "glass traps lighting" like no scene you've seen in quite this way. Through crevices, perforations, punctures, piercings, pinholes, see neighborhoods as "that place where organized sleeping happens." So, look for a faceted colony that "sometimes congeals."" --Deborah Meadows "Nico Vassilakis' Text Loses Time unhinges the folds of the book and the word; as the 'folded loose leafed sheets whiz past your ears' you can hear the echoes of meaning. The words flake off the page like aged paint leaving a patina of colour and meaning on the surface and a growing heap of signification at our feet. Here the means of writing rise up and turn against our expectation, lurching into new spaces. Letters become tactile, meaning becomes rubbery, and both reading and writing become a new collaboration." --derek beaulieu AUTHOR BIOGRAPHY: Nico Vassilakis was born in New York City in 1963. He has co-written and performed a one-man play about experimental composer Morton Feldman. Vassilakis is co-founder and curator for the Subtext Reading Series and editor of Clear-Cut: Anthology (A Collection of Seattle Writers). He has been a guest-editor of WOS#35: Northwest Concrete and Visual Poetry and his visual poetry videos have been shown worldwide at festivals and exhibitions of innovative language arts. In 1998, Vassilakis co-produced, with Rebecca Brown, a 24-hour "Gertrude Stein-a-thon." His work has appeared in numerous magazines, including Ribot, Caliban, Aufgabe, Chain, Talisman, Central Park and Golden Handcuffs Review. He works for Fantagraphic Books and lives in Seattle with his son, Quixote. Chapbooks: Askew (bcc press), Stampologue (RASP), Orange: A Manual (Sub Rosa Press), Diptychs: Visual Poems (Otolith), Pond Ring (nine muses books), sequence (Burning Press), Enoch and Aloe (Last Generation Press), The Colander (housepress), Flattened Missive (P.I.S.O.R. Publications), Species Pieces (gong press), KYOO (Burning Press) and others. DVD: CONCRETE: Movies (Sub Rosa Press) CONTACT AND ORDERING INFORMATION: ManyPenny Press 1111 E. Fifth St. Moscow, ID 83843 $15.95 + $2 postage (Advance orders will receive the book post-paid.) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 00:20:32 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm astonished to read the ill-informed post about home schooling Sorry, but that take on homeschooled kids is full of shit Actual date suggests that homeschoolers are, on average, above average. Think Lake Wobegone The idea that homeschoolsers are socially deficient is completely without support. Homeschoolers are way ahead of their peers in living in the world. They have less time with their age peers but they spend more time among normal adults and as a result do not behave as complete dolts when an adult attempts to interact with them. Instead they treat the adult as a person and respnd appropriately I don't know where you get your information but it's completely off base. Homeschooling is generally a much better preparation for life (even the pathetic life that formal school offers). If you care about such things, data tells us that homeschooled kids score around 70-80 percentile on standardized tests. No wonder...consider the vocabulary one develops spending the day with an adult who has a half-way decent vocabulary when compared to spending one's days with little kids with little kids' vocab. Charlie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:07:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: ars poetica update Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The ars poetica project continues to scree like a bluebird at: http://www.logolalia.com/arspoetica/ Poems appeared last month by: Sue Stanford, Elizabeth Robinson, Ana Buigues, Andrena Zawinski, Shara McCallum, Karl Kempton, Tad Richards, Joelle Biele, F. J. Bergmann, Bill Keckler, Maurya Simon, Kim Roberts, Len Anderson, Valerie Wallace, and Lucille Lang Day. Poems will appear this month by: Lucille Lang Day, Flor Aguilera, Jane Satterfield, Kathrine Varnes, Scott Watson, Helen Pavlin, Shoshauna Shy, Michael Waters, Hilary Mellon, Jay Rogoff, and Hiram Larew. A new poem about poetry every day, by invitation only (but thanks for asking). Enjoy, Dan ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:48:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Sheila Black, Larissa Shmailo and others are poeting away... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas....JBP has been taken over by our guest-editor, multiple personality component Orgazmatron Prime, and is soliciting great poetry and short fiction (flash fiction preferred unless i can like cut and paste, dawg) for at least a month...recent authors & creators discussed, examined and/or probed...include Ric Royer, Vernon Frazer, Flaubert, Squirrel Nutkin & legion others... feel free to submit or just visit for a julep on the porch at http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/ (Requested submission limit for poems is one too tree. merci). ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:03:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: heidi arnold Subject: Re: Five Enemies,/of educational systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline there are a number of issues here and what is added below may have already been said. one place where the politics of dissent may be experimented with, and practiced, is in the classroom, be it public or private school, high school or university. this is where a student may learn how to have an opinion that breaks from the fold, to respectfully disagree with authority, how to be a member of a group and yet inhabit one's own path. what it means to dissent from the collective in real terms, and how dissent might be sustained over time. and this is where people who are drawn to consensus, may also learn what it means to have the odd one out among you, what it means to hear forceful or supple disagreement, and what it means to suspect that possibly, the consensus is mistaken on certain points, or else alternatively, to be impartial about it for the sake of this point, that we will always have the cranks among us. and that loyalty and consensus are not always the same thing. and i think this is true in secular and religious classrooms both. it is an obvious point, and a small point, but in the end the intellectual process is shared, and belongs to everyone, and how the common good is interpreted over time may also take place in the classroom. my husband is a SUNY professor. what an awesome responsibility the teachers bear. of course there are other forms and conditions of dissent in our time, but we are lucky to have our schools also. peace, heidi -- www.heidiarnold.org http://peaceraptor.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:19:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <1777.76.193.191.33.1188969632.squirrel@www.poetrypoetry.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i wish i could have been home schooled. it was a crime however when i was growing up. now it's just another choice you can make, which i think is great. i always hated forced socialization. even for things like birthday parties or like funerals. i was always impressed with quentin crisp's answer as a child to "what do you want to be when you grow up?" he always answered "an invalid." i'm sure proust would have approved. -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Rossiter To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 1:20 am Subject: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling I'm astonished to read the ill-informed post about home schooling Sorry, but that take on homeschooled kids is full of shit Actual date suggests that homeschoolers are, on average, above average. Think Lake Wobegone The idea that homeschoolsers are socially deficient is completely without support. Homeschoolers are way ahead of their peers in living in the world. They have less time with their age peers but they spend more time among normal adults and as a result do not behave as complete dolts when an adult attempts to interact with them. Instead they treat the adult as a person and respnd appropriately I don't know where you get your information but it's completely off base. Homeschooling is generally a much better preparation for life (even the pathetic life that formal school offers). If you care about such things, data tells us that homeschooled kids score around 70-80 percentile on standardized tests. No wonder...consider the vocabulary one develops spending the day with an adult who has a half-way decent vocabulary when compared to spending one's days with little kids with little kids' vocab. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:27:40 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: heidi arnold Subject: Re: Five Enemies,/of educational systems In-Reply-To: <11d43b500709050703wf7c337ay682e7e7e8670a876@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just a clarification, by the "odd one out", i was referring to myself, and by religious classrooms also, i was referring to catholic education in the u.s. On 9/5/07, heidi arnold wrote: > there are a number of issues here and what is added below may have > already been said. > one place where the politics of dissent may be experimented with, and > practiced, is in the classroom, be it public or private school, high > school or university. this is where a student may learn how to have > an opinion that breaks from the fold, to respectfully disagree with > authority, how to be a member of a group and yet inhabit one's own > path. what it means to dissent from the collective in real terms, and > how dissent might be sustained over time. and this is where people > who are drawn to consensus, may also learn what it means to have the > odd one out among you, what it means to hear forceful or supple > disagreement, and what it means to suspect that possibly, the > consensus is mistaken on certain points, or else alternatively, to be > impartial about it for the sake of this point, that we will always > have the cranks among us. and that loyalty and consensus are not > always the same thing. and i think this is true in secular and > religious classrooms both. it is an obvious point, and a small point, > but in the end the intellectual process is shared, and belongs to > everyone, and how the common good is interpreted over time may also > take place in the classroom. my husband is a SUNY professor. what an > awesome responsibility the teachers bear. > > of course there are other forms and conditions of dissent in our time, > but we are lucky to have our schools also. > > peace, > > heidi > > > -- > www.heidiarnold.org > http://peaceraptor.blogspot.com/ > -- www.heidiarnold.org http://peaceraptor.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:45:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: Time to Preorder Nico Vassilakis' Text Loses Time In-Reply-To: <004901c7ef78$4fea2f10$6501a8c0@deliav0obz90o6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Congrats to Niko! I've enjoyed his works for years...still have my Runaway Spoon press edition on bookshelf #1...he, Karl Kempton and John Byrum are probably my three favorite practitioners of the art... can't go wrong ordering this people! -----Original Message----- From: Schneider Hill To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:50 am Subject: Time to Preorder Nico Vassilakis' Text Loses Time ANNOUNCING NICO VASSILAKIS' TEXT LOSES TIME (Go to http://scorecard.typepad.com to download a pdf file of the release.) ManyPenny Press is pleased to announce the release of TEXT LOSES TIME by Nico Vassilakis. This necessary work spans roughly 15 years of the author's efforts in both textual and visual writing. It is Vassilakis' first full-length book. TEXT LOSES TIME Afterword by Nick Piombino 188 pp. ISBN-10: 0-9798478-0-X ISBN-13: 978-0-9798478-0-6 CONTACT AND ORDERING INFORMATION: ManyPenny Press 1111 E. Fifth St. Moscow, ID 83843 $15.95 + $2 postage (Advance orders will receive the book post-paid.) AUTHOR'S STATEMENT: This book intends to present both verbal and visual poetries as equal. Though notions of poetics have shifted and swerved, what has stayed solid throughout is that the alphabet, the word - however arranged - contains, within it, dual significance. First, the proto-historic role of the visual conveyance of represented fact. Second, the overriding desire of human utterance to substantiate existence. In conjoining these two models this book hopes to form a third, blurred value. Thought and experience are factors that accrue, while staring and writing help resolve and conclude. Text itself is an amalgam of units of meaning. As you stare at text you notice the visual aspects of letters. As one stares further, meaning loses its hierarchy and words discorporate and the alphabet itself begins to surface. Shapes, spatial relations and visual associations emerge as one delves further. Alphabetic bits or parts or snippets of letters can create an added visual vocabulary amidst the very text one is reading. One aim, to this end, is to merge and hinge visual and textual writing into workable forms. This book collects some of these experiments. SAMPLE OF WORK FROM "TEXT LOSES TIME": FROM "THE SCAFFOLDING" The Rhymes of Vellum A boy or girl, Vellum, blows a few papers in the wind It answers noise Hopping, hopped. Tapping, tapped Swim sweet twins swing twig Think of losing, serendipity or the wings of a sentence He will get them, but not tell you where they were I like to drink through my brother's center A finger's rose begins A shadow grows down the sidewalk Clapping, clapped It helps to rip this box open Sound harbor, sound hole Blind rose is a very shape friend I want a shirt to visit my slacks Moon noose soon loose A good look at the cookbook - lots of o's - ghost epaulets on the shoulders of a paragraph Dishes mixes, buses guesses I sit down to work; I draw with my right hand The response sadly is never Living as wide as it gets Think sift You could fault the long moth, the dog lost in soft fog, but it's the song's cost, its crust I got frogs in my throat, a forehead throat Boris said, "Your throat's red." Timothy hums a nail into the wood I run uphill swimming The test isn't over The floor's hard The new girl at school Can you look at a book without getting caught on a line? Like radio, writing is a broadcast They found people in the mailbox A huge gem in a cage Susan flips back to the glossary Only a certain type of fastener The letter "R" in each corner of a page Unexpectedly the middle is empty Next, write your best trick Most banjo Odd pretty piece asleep A drum whisking discard into cream In this way we raise our pigs on fire & Kenny is always six yards old The donkey said, "Enough." The donkey said, "English." Dark thoughts won't cure light sickness The ladder moved slightly throws the world in disarray The teacher's a bird and flies out the window They had found their clown center Art will say, "I like to pitch. What is your name?" Art will say, "Hi, I'm Art. I like to pitch. What's your name?" Slowly toward a large bird Paper hats, cats A lot of noise comes to visit Long thin water in a line of people I called you once today to say geese make a village of gold & both of my little friends like to sing. Their secret voices are beautiful Spray Spray Spray COMMENTS ON TEXT LOSES TIME: "Part nested Minimalist cubes and part laser light that won't diverge across distance, Nico Vassilakis' poetry seems to ask whether we are primates at play on a baseball diamond of memory and desire beside mural-lined public structures slipping toward infinite regression. Richly iterative, these pairings and alphabets escape the mirror to thrill us with variation and sting all forms of complacency. Vassilakis extends Oulipian strategies: Perec references, lamellisections, crystalline build-outs and transpositions, a scat of nonrepresentational vocables, lettered whirlwinds giving speed for legibility, -- "extracting the gem through layers of gauze" and, other times, lowering a gem into a fold. Can an argument between a machine that produces texts and "longhand into tiny notebooks" wake us up? In pain, "the throbbing thumb" makes us "attend to the living." If Vassilakis revises the rock lyric "meet-the-new-boss, same-as-the-old-boss" to "meet the solipsistic era. same as the old solipsistic era," is treatment to be had in a bar, a science lab, or will it reach us over the radio? Try a road trip, so "you can't afford to blink, to be blind for even a second" going through a colander out where dust is breeding and "glass traps lighting" like no scene you've seen in quite this way. Through crevices, perforations, punctures, piercings, pinholes, see neighborhoods as "that place where organized sleeping happens." So, look for a faceted colony that "sometimes congeals."" --Deborah Meadows "Nico Vassilakis' Text Loses Time unhinges the folds of the book and the word; as the 'folded loose leafed sheets whiz past your ears' you can hear the echoes of meaning. The words flake off the page like aged paint leaving a patina of colour and meaning on the surface and a growing heap of signification at our feet. Here the means of writing rise up and turn against our expectation, lurching into new spaces. Letters become tactile, meaning becomes rubbery, and both reading and writing become a new collaboration." --derek beaulieu AUTHOR BIOGRAPHY: Nico Vassilakis was born in New York City in 1963. He has co-written and performed a one-man play about experimental composer Morton Feldman. Vassilakis is co-founder and curator for the Subtext Reading Series and editor of Clear-Cut: Anthology (A Collection of Seattle Writers). He has been a guest-editor of WOS#35: Northwest Concrete and Visual Poetry and his visual poetry videos have been shown worldwide at festivals and exhibitions of innovative language arts. In 1998, Vassilakis co-produced, with Rebecca Brown, a 24-hour "Gertrude Stein-a-thon." His work has appeared in numerous magazines, including Ribot, Caliban, Aufgabe, Chain, Talisman, Central Park and Golden Handcuffs Review. He works for Fantagraphic Books and lives in Seattle with his son, Quixote. Chapbooks: Askew (bcc press), Stampologue (RASP), Orange: A Manual (Sub Rosa Press), Diptychs: Visual Poems (Otolith), Pond Ring (nine muses books), sequence (Burning Press), Enoch and Aloe (Last Generation Press), The Colander (housepress), Flattened Missive (P.I.S.O.R. Publications), Species Pieces (gong press), KYOO (Burning Press) and others. DVD: CONCRETE: Movies (Sub Rosa Press) CONTACT AND ORDERING INFORMATION: ManyPenny Press 1111 E. Fifth St. Moscow, ID 83843 $15.95 + $2 postage (Advance orders will receive the book post-paid.) ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:16:07 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: LIT MAGAZINE #13 NYC LAUNCH THIS FRIDAY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline for the details to to: http://CAConradEVENTS.blogspot.com hope to see you at 6 on the 7 th ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:22:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: PhillySound Feature #6: Ryan Eckes /\\///\\\\/////\\\\\\///////\\\\\\\\///////// MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline PhillySound Feature #6: Ryan Eckes /\\///\\\\/////\\\\\\///////\\\\\\\\///////// Read Ryan's marvelous poems, an interview with him, and community commentary here: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html If you LOVE poetry you will enjoy yourself with this, CAConrad editor of #6 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:40:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: The Grand Piano 4 and Site Launch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Nonnarrative Continues! Announcing THE GRAND PIANO, PART 4 and launch of the Grand Piano home site: http://www.thegrandpiano.org An Experiment in Collective Autobiography, San Francisco, 1975-1980. Part=20 4, by Carla Harryman, Kit Robinson, Tom Mandel, Barrett Watten, Rae=20 Armantrout, Ted Pearson, Lyn Hejinian, Bob Perelman, Ron Silliman, and=20 Steve Benson http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/images/homepage/gp4front.jpg "The defiantly-lived optimism on offer in The Grand Piano is yet another=20 way in which this generation...has resisted the imperatives of the poetics,= =20 politics, and performance of self-centered melancholia. / This small verbal= =20 token seems like a passport, an efficient and elegant key to another world= =20 where literary idealism and integrity still command respect." =97Maria Damon, Rain Taxi Review of Books Copies of single volumes may be ordered from Small Press Distribution, Inc.= =20 Subscription to The Grand Piano (ten volumes, at three-month intervals,=20 beginning with parts 1=964), is available for $90 from Lyn Hejinian, 2639=20 Russell Street, Berkeley, CA 94705. Partial subscriptions starting from #2= =20 are $80; from #3, for $70; from #4, for $60, etc. Order forms (color or b&w) may be downloaded at: http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/gp14order.pdf http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac_pages/ewatten/pdfs/gp14orderbw.pdf Designed and published by Barrett Watten, Mode A/This Press (Detroit), 6885= =20 Cathedral Drive, Bloomfield Twp., MI 48301. Distributed (individual orders= =20 and trade) by Small Press Distribution, Inc., 1341 Seventh Street,=20 Berkeley, CA 94710-1408. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:36:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <3adeb26b4899c16e14d8ea99e3c19f32@usm.maine.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit And are they still treated this way? A friend and I have been discussing the ways younger female poets (as well as musicians, etc) are still infantilized, despite their talents/success/etc. She posted about it on her blog today. It is baffling but appears to be a trend, though Ana only mentions two examples here: http://quoileternite.blogspot.com/2007/09/love-and-west.html --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:41:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Pawlak Subject: Re: Second call for poetry submissions for Big Bridge 13 (Jan. '08) In-Reply-To: <5B1B649F-F8A9-42E4-B894-739A208CE9ED@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hal, Are you looking for new work only? I have lots of poems about Iraq, Afghanistan and the American war machine in my latest book, OFFICIAL VERSIONS from HL(2006). Happy to send you a copy or selected poems digitally if you're interested. Mark On 9/4/07 4:45 PM, "Halvard Johnson" wrote: > Friends and neighbors-- > > For a second (check out the first at http://www.bigbridge.org/ > deathindex.htm ) > mini-anthology of poems, this time inspired by/responding to/related to > Czeslaw Milosz's poem "Dedication" and/or the various wars/ > insurgencies/etc. going > on in the world today, please send 1-6 poems to me at > halvard@earthlink.net with the > words "Big Bridge" followed by your own name clearly in the subject > line. Please, > when sending attachments, send all poems in a single attachment. > > This mini-anthology will appear in the January issue of Big Bridge, > and I'll > consider submissions of work received before the end of November. > > Halvard Johnson > ================ > halvard@earthlink.net > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html > http://entropyandme.blogspot.com > http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com > http://www.hamiltonstone.org > http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html > > > > Dedication > > You whom I could not save > Listen to me. > Try to understand this simple speech as I would be ashamed of another. > I swear, there is in me no wizardry of words. > I speak to you with silence like a cloud or a tree. > > What strengthened me, for you was lethal. > You mixed up farewell to an epoch with the beginning of a new one, > Inspiration of hatred with lyrical beauty, > Blind force with accomplished shape. > > Here is the valley of shallow Polish rivers. And an immense bridge > Going into white fog. Here is a broken city, > And the wind throws the screams of gulls on your grave > When I am talking with you. > > What is poetry which does not save > Nations or people? > A connivance with official lies, > A song of drunkards whose throats will be cut in a moment, > Readings for sophomore girls. > That I wanted good poetry without knowing it, > That I discovered, late, its salutary aim, > In this and only this I find salvation. > > They used to pour millet on graves or poppy seeds > To feed the dead who would come disguised as birds. > I put this book here for you, who once lived > So that you should visit us no more. > > --Czeslaw Milosz, Warsaw, 1945 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:15:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: A Report by Hilton Obenzinger on Both Sides of the Wall/Turkish Visual Poetry and Grand Piano review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline SSB3YW50IHRvIHRoYW5rIHZlcnkgbXVjaCBTdGVwaGVuIFZpbmNlbnQgZm9yIHNlbmRpbmcgIG1l IGEgYnJpbGxpYW50CmFuZCB0aG91Z2h0IHByb3Zva2luZyBwaWVjZSBieSBIaWx0b24gT2Jlbnpp bmdlciwgd2hpY2ggSGlsdG9uCmdlbmVyb3VzbHkgZ2F2ZSBwZXJtaXNzaW9uIHRvIHNoYXJlOgoK TWVkaXRhdGlvbnMgaW4gYSBUaW1lIG9mIERlbHVzaW9ucyBhbmQgTGllcyAyNDogT24gQm90aCBT aWRlcyBvZgpJc3JhZWwncyBXZXN0IEJhbmsgV2FsbCBieSBIaWx0b24gT2JlbnppbmdlcgppdCBp cyBwb3N0ZWQgb24gbXkgYmxvZyAoIGVudGVyZWQgTW9uZGF5KSB3aXRoIHBob3RvcyBhbmQgc29t ZSBub3RlcywKbGlua3MgYWRkZWQgdG8gaXQuCgogRm9yIHRoZSBGaXJzdCBUdXJraXNoIFZpc3Vh bCBQb2V0cnkgQm9vayBoYXZlIGFuIGVudHJ5IHdoaWNoIGluY2x1ZGVzCmxpbmtzIHRvIHRoZSBl bnRyaWVzIGF0IG15IGJsb2cgd2l0aCBWaXN1YWwgUG9ldHJ5IGZyb20gc2V2ZXJhbCBvZiB0aGUK VHVya2lzaCBwb2V0cyBpbiB0aGUgYm9vayBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIFRpbSBHYXplJ3MgZXhjZWxsZW50 IEludGVydmlldwp3aXRoIHBvZXQgU3V6YW4gU2FyaS4uVGhlcmUgYXJlIGFsc28gYmxvZyBsaW5r cyBpbmNsdWRlZC4KCkFuZCBmcm9tIENhdGFsYW4gYXJ0aXN0IEFudG9uaSBNaXJvIGFuIGFzdG91 bmRpbmcgY2F0YWxvZyBqdXN0IGFycml2ZWQKb2YgaGlzIHNob3cgaW4gQXVndXN0LCB3aXRoIHNv bWUgb3RoZXIgd29ya3MgYWxzbywgYW5kIHRleHQgaW4gU3BhbmlzaApieSB0aGUgQXJnZW50aW5p YW4gVmlzdWFsIFBvZXQgYW5kIHdlYiBtYXN0ZXIgQ2FybG9zIERlbGdhZG8gKFZvcnRpY2UKQXJn ZW50aW5hKS4KClJlIHRoZSAiR3JhbmQgUGlhbm8iIHRoZXJlIGlzIGFuIGludGVyZXN0aW5nLCBl bnRlcnRhaW5pbmcgYW5kCmluY2lzaXZlIGxhdGUgSnVseSByZXZpZXcgYnkgRy5BLiBWaWRpYW1v ZG9wbyBoZXJlOgoKUG9zdDogUGFyb2xlIGluIExpYmVyYWNlOiB0aGUgIkdyYW5kIFBpYW5vIiAm IGl0cwphY2Nlc3Nvcmllcy1uZWNlc3NhcmllcyBjb25zaWRlcmVkIGZyb20gYSBGbHV4dXMgU3Ry ZWV0IFRoZWF0ZXIKUGVyc3BlY3RpdmUKTGluazogaHR0cDovL2RhdmlkYmFwdGlzdGVjaGlyb3Qu YmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tLzIwMDcvMDcvaXRzLWFjY2Vzc29yaWVzLW5lY2Vzc2FyaWVzLWNvbnNpZGVy ZWQuCmh0bWwKClRoZXNlIGFyZSB0aGUgZW50cmllcyBmcm9tIHRoaXMgd2VlazoKaHR0cDovL2Rh dmlkYmFwdGlzdGVjaGlyb3QuYmxvZ3Nwb3QuY29tOgoKICAgICogIEJlZm9yZS0tRHVyaW5nLS1B ZnRlciAoPykgVGhlIEVDTElQU0UgVHVlc2RheSAyNi4uLgogICAgKiBGVzogVGhlIFBhc3NlcmJ5 IE11c2V1bSBNb3ZlcyB0byBDYW5hZGEKICAgICogQU5UT05JIE1JUk86IENhdGFsb2csIHBvc3Qg Y2FyZHMuIGZvbGRpbmcgYnVpbGRpbi4uLgogICAgKiBTaG9vdGluZyB0aGUgbWVzc2VuZ2Vyczog VGhlIEdyb3d0aCBvZiBhdHRhY2tzIG9uIC4uLgogICAgKiBZYXNha21leXZlIHNhef06MjggRXls /GwgMjAwNyBEb3N5YSBLb251c3U6IEf2cnNlbC4uLgogICAgKiBEYXZpZC1CYXB0aXN0ZSBDaGly b3QgYW5sYXT9eW9yLi4gfCBwb2V0aWtoYXJzCiAgICAqIEZJUlNUIFZJU1VBTCBQT0VUUlkgQk9P SyBGUk9NIFRVUktFWQogICAgKiBXZXN0IEJhbmsgQm95cyBEaWcgYSBMaXZpbmcgaW4gU2V0dGxl ciBUcmFzaCAtIENvbS4uLgogICAgKiAiSW4gRGVmZW5zZSBvZiBBY2FkZW1pYyBGcmVlZG9tIiBX ZWIgU2l0ZSAmIENvbmZlci4uLgogICAgKiBNZWRpdGF0aW9ucyBpbiBhIFRpbWUgb2YgRGVsdXNp b25zIGFuZCBMaWVzIDI0OiBPbi4uLgogICAgKiBBIENyeSBmcm9tIEd1YW50YW5hbW86IEEgVm9p Y2UgZnJvbSBHaXRtbydzIERhcmtuZS4uLgogICAgKiBJbnRlcmVsYXRlZCBpc3N1ZXMgb2YgUGFs ZXN0aW5pYW5zICYgQW1lcmljYW4gaS4uLgogICAgKiBKb2huIFRydWRlbGwgUGFydCBPbmU6ICIo SW5kaWFucyBhcmUgSmVzdXMpIEhhbmdpLi4uCiAgICAqIFNvdXJjZUNvZGU6IENvYmVsbCB2LiBO b3J0b24gU3VpdCBBZ2FpbnN0IEJJQSBhbi4uLgogICAgKiBOYXRpdmUgQW1lcmljYW4gSW5kaWFu IC0gQ29iZWxsIENhc2UKICAgICogQW5vdGhlciBCcmljayBpbiBUaGUgQXBhcnRoZWlkIFdhbGwg KFJvZ2VyIFdhdGVycy4uLgogICAgKiBQYWxlc3RpbmUgRHJlYW1zIGF0IFRoZSBJc3JhZWwgV2Fs bAogICAgKiBJc3JhZWxpIFdhbGwK ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 17:51:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <233691.38126.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i have grown almost as tired of that wispy fairy girl persona as i have of the soulful all american boy thing that guys like john mayer seem to pump out. it seems like every time there's a new female singer songwriter who's gotten any acclaim has to pull that dreamy stevie nicks on quaaludes little girl otherness and it seems so very affected i wonder if it's a sort of defense mechanism to hide from the attention. Like maybe the reaction that one naturally has to people starting to listen to them is to immediately turn on whatever charms have gotten them laid in the past and then amp it up to a vaudevillean parody of 21st century gender tropes. On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, amy king wrote: > And are they still treated this way? A friend and I have been discussing the ways younger female poets (as well as musicians, etc) are still infantilized, despite their talents/success/etc. She posted about it on her blog today. It is baffling but appears to be a trend, though Ana only mentions two examples here: > > http://quoileternite.blogspot.com/2007/09/love-and-west.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:58:47 +0000 Reply-To: editor@fulcrumpoetry.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Fulcrum Annual Subject: Poets Hennessy, Hall and Hock in NYC, Sat Sept 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Poets John Hennessy, Daniel Hall and James Hock will read from their book= s and sign them An Ear Inn Poetry Reading Saturday, September 8, 2007 at 3:00pm 326 Spring Street (west of Greenwich Street) New York, NY SUBWAY: C/E to Spring Street; 1/9 to Canal Street; N/R to Prince Street Contact: 646.281.1634, earinnpoetry@mbroder.com FREE + good cheap eats and alcohol John Hennessy's collection of poems, Bridge and Tunnel, was recently publ= ished by Turning Point Books. He is the resident fellow at the Amy Clampi= tt House in Lenox, MA. Hennessy is a frequent contributor to Fulcrum. Daniel Hall is the author of three books of poems, most recently Under Sl= eep. He is the writer in residence at Amherst College. James Hoch's new book of poems is Miscreants, published by Norton in 2007= . His first book, A Parade of Hands, won the Gerald Cable Award and was p= ublished in 2003 by Silverfish Review Press. He teaches at Ramapo College= . ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:14:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jenny Penberthy Subject: The Capilano Review Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Capilano Review is celebrating its 35th anniversary. Join us for a = launch of the 3rd Series and the Capilano College double issue * 3.1&2 * = at the Vancouver East Cultural Centre on Thurs Sept 13 at 7:30pm. Readings = by past and present Capilano College writers -- Daphne Marlatt, Lisa = Robertson, Clint Burnham, Sharon Thesen, Ryan Knighton, George Stanley, = Crystal Hurdle, Roger Farr, Meredith Quartermain, Reg Johanson, and = others.=20 The event will also celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Canada Council = for the Arts. Tickets at the door and from Ticketmaster $8/$5 Vancouver East Cultural Centre 1895 Venables Street Vancouver, BC www.thecapilanoreview.ca ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:48:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Fall Events in Boog City Comments: To: "UB Poetics discussion group "@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable please forward ---------------- hi all, =20 below are the boog events skedded for this fall. =20 enjoy, david =20 --------- =20 Upcoming Boog Events, Sept.-Dec. 2007 =20 Season 5 of=20 d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press Visiting small press editors host these evenings and select authors to read whom they=B9ve published. There are also performances by visiting or area musicians at each event. (Once a year multiple NYC small presses are hosted.) Performers TBD. Last Tues. of each month, 6:00 p.m., free =20 ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. (bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC =20 Tues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books (Kenmore, N.Y.)=20 =20 Featuring readings from =20 Joel Chace Amy King Ruth Lepson Douglas Manson Kyle Schlesinger =20 and music from Compass Jazz =20 =20 Oct. 30 Talisman House (Jersey City, N.J.) Nov. 27 Big Game Books (Washington, D.C.) Dec. 18 Six NYC Presses: Belladonna Books, Cy Gist Press, Futurepoem Books, Kitchen Press, Litmus Press/Aufgabe, Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs =20 The season runs through July and will also feature: Abraham Lincoln (Ashland, Ore.) Instance Press (Boulder, Co.; New York City; Richmond, Va.) Outside Voices (Charlottesville, Va.) Effing Press (Austin, Texas) Ixnay Press (Philadelphia) and more =20 --------- =20 Classic Albums Live Series Anywhere from four to 13 musical acts perform different classic albums thre= e to six times a year. =20 Sun. Nov. 11, 8:00 p.m., $5 =20 Less Than Zero at 20 =20 20 Years After the Film=B9s Release See the Movie on the Big Screen =20 then =20 Hear the Soundtrack Album Performed Live =20 The Bowery Poetry Club 308 Bowery (and 1st Street) NYC =20 2008 will feature: The Pixies, Surfer Rosa (for its 20th anniv.) and Doolittle =20 The Original Soundtrack for the Motion Picture Grease An album selected by musical acts that have performed in at least two previous classic album shows (two years ago they selected The Clash, London Calling) and more =20 ----------- =20 Sun. Oct. 14, 8:00 p.m., $4 Passenger Pigeons CD Release Party =20 Knitting Factory Old Office 74 Leonard Street=20 NYC =20 With performances by Daouets Dead Rabbit The Passenger Pigeons Alias Pail =20 --------- =20 Mon Oct. 29, 8:00 p.m., $8, $7 for students and seniors, $5 for members =20 a 65th birthday celebration for d.a. levy =20 The Poetry Project at St. Marks Church 131 E. 10th St. (@2nd Ave.) NYC =20 Come honor the life and work of the late Cleveland poet-publisher who was a= t the vanguard of the mimeo revolution of the sixties. We=B9ll recognize the radical and enduring effect levy left on small press poetry and publishing during his short life with readings of his work and informal discussion. Participants will include Steve Clay, Bob Holman, Jake Marx, and Gary Sullivan, with some special guests, too. This event will be preceded by a free screening of Kon Petrochuk=B9s levy biopic =B3if i scratch, if i write=B2 at 5:00 p.m. at the Bowery Poetry Club (308 Bowery and 1st Street, NYC). Co-curated with The Poetry Project. -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://welcometoboogcity.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:36:56 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: crystal hoffman Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <8C9BDE738861E5A-7D4-3DA8@webmail-db11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Half of my peers from the age of 10 to the age of 18 were home-schooled. In terms of socialization, they were far more mature. In terms of decision making, they've avoided nearly all of the pit falls of adolescence (ie drinking drugs irresponsible sex). In terms of education, I believe they were at the very least on par with the other half of my peers. However, I believe that ultimately the quality of a home-schooler's education relies solely on the effort that both parent and student put forth, as well as the level of the parents education. The difference can vary between that of a poorly funded rural public school to that of a high priced private school. These generalizations are utterly useless, if you ask me. "W.B. Keckler" wrote: i wish i could have been home schooled. it was a crime however when i was growing up. now it's just another choice you can make, which i think is great. i always hated forced socialization. even for things like birthday parties or like funerals. i was always impressed with quentin crisp's answer as a child to "what do you want to be when you grow up?" he always answered "an invalid." i'm sure proust would have approved. -----Original Message----- From: Charlie Rossiter To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 1:20 am Subject: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling I'm astonished to read the ill-informed post about home schooling Sorry, but that take on homeschooled kids is full of shit Actual date suggests that homeschoolers are, on average, above average. Think Lake Wobegone The idea that homeschoolsers are socially deficient is completely without support. Homeschoolers are way ahead of their peers in living in the world. They have less time with their age peers but they spend more time among normal adults and as a result do not behave as complete dolts when an adult attempts to interact with them. Instead they treat the adult as a person and respnd appropriately I don't know where you get your information but it's completely off base. Homeschooling is generally a much better preparation for life (even the pathetic life that formal school offers). If you care about such things, data tells us that homeschooled kids score around 70-80 percentile on standardized tests. No wonder...consider the vocabulary one develops spending the day with an adult who has a half-way decent vocabulary when compared to spending one's days with little kids with little kids' vocab. Charlie ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:55:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: UbuWeb Subject: UBUWEB :: Featured Resources Summer / Fall 2007 by Spahr & Koestenbaum MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com ------------------------------------------ UBUWEB :: Featured Resources Fall 2007 ------------------------------------------ Featured Resources: Fall 2007 Selected by Juliana Spahr 1. Learn to Say Penis http://www.ubu.com/outsiders/ass/penis.html 2. Germaine Dulac "La coquille et le clergyman" http://www.ubu.com/film/dulac_coquille.html 3. Maya Deren "Ritual in Transfigured" http://www.ubu.com/film/deren.html 4. Carolee Schneeman "Fuses" http://www.ubu.com/film/schneeman.html 5. Monique Wittig, Les Guerilleres http://www.ubu.com/ubu/wittig_guer.html 6. Carolee Schneemann, "Fuses" http://www.ubu.com/film/schneeman.html 7. Janet Zweig "Mind Over Matter" http://www.ubu.com/contemp/zweig/zweig1.html 8. Caroline Bergvall "About Face" http://www.ubu.com/sound/bergvall.html 9. Barbara Cole, "Situation Comedies: Foxy Moron" http://www.ubu.com/ubu/cole_foxy.html 10. Pierre Coulibeuf and Marina Abramoviç "Balkan Baroque" http://www.ubu.com/film/coulibeuf.html BONUS: Emma Hedditch "The Making of Her Noise" http://www.ubu.com/film/her_noise.html Juliana Spahr's most recent book is the Transformation (Atelos P, 2007) -------------------------------------------- UBUWEB :: Featured Resources Summer 2007 -------------------------------------------- Featured Resources: Summer 2007 Selected by Wayne Koestenbaum 1. Robert Desnos, "Description of a Dream" (MP3, 1938) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/desnos_robert/Desnos-Robert_Description-Of-A-Dream_1938.mp3 2. Adolf Wolfli, "Gelesen und vertont" (specifically either Der Fluch (MP3) or the Trauermarsch 599 Lied (MP3) [1978]) http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/wolfli_adolf/gelesen_und_vertont/Adolf-Wolfli_06_Der_Fluch_1978.mp3 http://ubu.artmob.ca/sound/wolfli_adolf/gelesen_und_vertont/Adolf-Wolfli_27_Trauermarsch_599._Lied_1978.mp3 3. Ketjak, the Ramayana Monkey Chant (MP3, in Ethnopoetics Soundings) http://www.ubu.com/ethno/soundings/ketjack.html 4. John Cage and Morton Feldman in Conversation (1967) http://www.ubu.com/sound/cage_feldman.html 5. Dieter Roth, "Berliner Dichterworkshop" (1973) http://www.ubu.com/sound/berliner.html 6. Carolee Schneemann, "Fuses" (film) http://www.ubu.com/film/schneeman.html 7. Mauricio Kagel, "Ludwig Van..." (film) http://www.ubu.com/film/kagel.html 8. Jack Goldstein, "MGM" and "The Knife" (films) http://www.ubu.com/film/goldstein.html 9. Antonin Artaud, "Pour finir avec le jugement de dieu" http://www.ubu.com/sound/artaud.html 10. Severo Sarduy, "Big Bang" http://www.ubu.com/ubu/sarduy_big_bang.html BONUS: Joseph Cornell, "Rose Hobart" http://www.ubu.com/film/cornell.html Wayne Koestenbaum has published five books of poetry: Best-Selling Jewish Porn Films, Model Homes, The Milk of Inquiry, Rhapsodies of a Repeat Offender, and Ode to Anna Moffo and Other Poems. He has also published a novel, Moira Orfei in Aigues-Mortes, and five books of nonfiction: Andy Warhol, Cleavage, Jackie Under My Skin, The Queen's Throat (a National Book Critics Circle Award finalist), and Double Talk. He wrote the libretto for Michael Daugherty's opera, Jackie O. Koestenbaum's new book, Hotel Theory, will be published in June 2007. He is a Distinguished Professor of English at the CUNY Graduate Center, and currently also a Visiting Professor in the painting department of the Yale School of Art. __ U B U W E B __ http://ubu.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:12:47 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life is Dorothea Lasky. Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your eyes have been. AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:15:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Chan Subject: Call for submissions Comments: To: Women Poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Poetry Sz:demystifying mental illness ( http://poetrysz.blogspot.com ) is calling for submissions. Send 4-6 poems and a short bio in the body of your email to poetrysz@yahoo.com . Please read the submission guidelines first before submitting. Thanks. regards J Chan editor ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:44:21 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cralan kelder Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <647983.54740.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =B3irresponsible sex=B2 ? On 9/6/07 3:36 AM, "crystal hoffman" wrote: > Half of my peers from the age of 10 to the age of 18 were home-schooled. = In > terms of socialization, they were far more mature. In terms of decision > making, they've avoided nearly all of the pit falls of adolescence (ie > drinking drugs irresponsible sex). In terms of education, I believe they= were > at the very least on par with the other half of my peers. However, I bel= ieve > that ultimately the quality of a home-schooler's education relies solely = on > the effort that both parent and student put forth, as well as the level o= f the > parents education. The difference can vary between that of a poorly fund= ed > rural public school to that of a high priced private school. >=20 > These generalizations are utterly useless, if you ask me. >=20 > "W.B. Keckler" wrote: i wish i could have been home > schooled. it was a crime however when i was growing up. now it's just ano= ther > choice you can make, which i think is great. i always hated forced > socialization. even for things like birthday parties or like funerals. i = was > always impressed with quentin crisp's answer as a child to "what do you w= ant > to be when you grow up?" he always answered "an invalid." i'm sure proust > would have approved. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Rossiter > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 1:20 am > Subject: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm astonished to read the ill-informed post about home schooling >=20 > Sorry, but that take on homeschooled kids is full of shit >=20 > Actual date suggests that homeschoolers are, on average, above average. > Think Lake Wobegone >=20 > The idea that homeschoolsers are socially deficient is completely without > support. >=20 > Homeschoolers are way ahead of their peers in living in the world. They > have less time with their age peers but they spend more time among normal > adults and as a result do not behave as complete dolts when an adult > attempts to interact with them. Instead they treat the adult as a person > and respnd appropriately >=20 > I don't know where you get your information but it's completely off base. > Homeschooling is generally a much better preparation for life (even the > pathetic life that formal school offers). >=20 > If you care about such things, data tells us that homeschooled kids score > around 70-80 percentile on standardized tests. No wonder...consider the > vocabulary one develops spending the day with an adult who has a half-way > decent vocabulary when compared to spending one's days with little kids > with little kids' vocab. >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:44:38 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cralan kelder Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <647983.54740.qm@web43142.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =B3they've avoided nearly all of the pit falls of adolescence (ie drinking drugs irresponsible sex). =B2 =3D Sex, drugs, alcohol are bad sounds like moralizing, which that would be a point of my objection to home-schooling, and I confess may have prompted me to respond to this post. The inevitable will always come; children have to be socilaized, and join i= n to a society of their peers at some point. We brought our 8 month daughter, whose name is confusingly crash, to creche this week, where she takes her cues from the other children; movement, voice, sound, balance, sharing, not sharing, crying, laughing, the whole range of emotions. The other children are teaching her things that we cannot. She is joining her society here in our city, she is making friends her own age. My objection to home-schooling, as I understand it, is based on my own bias= : it sounds like advocates of home schooling think theres something wrong wit= h the common values.=20 Advocates of home-schooling are somehow contrarian. The most obvious example that comes to mind is creationism. i have no idea of the numbers but i would imagine a large percentage of home schoolers are advocates of church AND state partnership. When I was a child in california, our neighbors moved to idaho, to join a community with conservative religious values, and to home school. Thus, my biases also tell me thats theres more home schooling in the bible belt, places like idaho and utah Is this not true? To my knowledge, the united states is the only occidental country currently failing to separate church and state. The exception, as Will mentioned, might be that the quality of schooling is so bad that the children are not learning vocabulary and geography. I think the point is that as a society and community we should be able create educational institutions that work and meet universal needs. I agree with Charlie; the individual success comes down only to the household, and that there is no common denominator, and with crystal its no= t possible to generalise either way, good or bad. Is there an "average" home-schooling profile? bob & susan arnold of longhouse books home-schooled their son carson whom I am sure knows little of creationism, but plenty about biology, carpentry, music, poetry & literature. He is an excellent writer. He's a musician and music critic with an interesting blog; http://www.longhousepoetry.com/hear.html Theres an absolutely fascinating interview that he conducted with Glenn Gould (who was by then a recluse holed up in a hotel) called The Glenn Goul= d Tape in Origin 6th series number 4 located here: http://www.longhousepoetry.com/origin4.pdf On 9/6/07 3:36 AM, "crystal hoffman" wrote: > Half of my peers from the age of 10 to the age of 18 were home-schooled. = In > terms of socialization, they were far more mature. In terms of decision > making, they've avoided nearly all of the pit falls of adolescence (ie > drinking drugs irresponsible sex). In terms of education, I believe they= were > at the very least on par with the other half of my peers. However, I bel= ieve > that ultimately the quality of a home-schooler's education relies solely = on > the effort that both parent and student put forth, as well as the level o= f the > parents education. The difference can vary between that of a poorly fund= ed > rural public school to that of a high priced private school. >=20 > These generalizations are utterly useless, if you ask me. >=20 > "W.B. Keckler" wrote: i wish i could have been home > schooled. it was a crime however when i was growing up. now it's just ano= ther > choice you can make, which i think is great. i always hated forced > socialization. even for things like birthday parties or like funerals. i = was > always impressed with quentin crisp's answer as a child to "what do you w= ant > to be when you grow up?" he always answered "an invalid." i'm sure proust > would have approved. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Charlie Rossiter > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 1:20 am > Subject: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling >=20 >=20 >=20 > I'm astonished to read the ill-informed post about home schooling >=20 > Sorry, but that take on homeschooled kids is full of shit >=20 > Actual date suggests that homeschoolers are, on average, above average. > Think Lake Wobegone >=20 > The idea that homeschoolsers are socially deficient is completely without > support. >=20 > Homeschoolers are way ahead of their peers in living in the world. They > have less time with their age peers but they spend more time among normal > adults and as a result do not behave as complete dolts when an adult > attempts to interact with them. Instead they treat the adult as a person > and respnd appropriately >=20 > I don't know where you get your information but it's completely off base. > Homeschooling is generally a much better preparation for life (even the > pathetic life that formal school offers). >=20 > If you care about such things, data tells us that homeschooled kids score > around 70-80 percentile on standardized tests. No wonder...consider the > vocabulary one develops spending the day with an adult who has a half-way > decent vocabulary when compared to spending one's days with little kids > with little kids' vocab. >=20 > Charlie >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Luggage? GPS? Comic books? > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:26:20 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. Why are women subject to it? CA Conrad wrote: Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life is Dorothea Lasky. Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your eyes have been. AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:36:15 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "irresponsible sex" Responsible sex sounds really boring. EKS ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:07:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: Six Word Series, for Tom Beckett, by Crag Hill Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii As we wave goodbye to the z of Dan Waber's illustrations from Boys, A-Z / A Primer, it's time to wave hello to the a of the Six Word Series, for Tom Beckett, by Crag Hill. New series begins today at: http://www.logolalia.com/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz/ Regards, Dan Submissions of artworks based around the complete sequence of the roman alphabet which can be presented one letter at a time over the course of 26 days are invited. If you don't have a series of your own that fits that description, please consider making one. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:18:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <865822.82889.qm@web86011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course she has it. Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the tone that fits the caliber of questions? This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form of "courtliness" ...? Amy Barry Schwabsky wrote: I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. Why are women subject to it? CA Conrad wrote: Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life is Dorothea Lasky. Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your eyes have been. AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:51:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: August's $100 winner at vispoets.com Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In the reward for interestingness monthly event*, the winner for August is: Amanda Earl for her contributions for the month. To note one particular image, please see: ad infinitum** Congratulations to Amanda, there's $100 worth of Runaway Spoon Press*** publications on their way to you. Enjoy! Thanks to everyone who uploaded images to the Gallery in June. 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Total Gallery Size: 285.34mb Total Image Views: 28244 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 07:33:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: it's great to be senile In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Poets who imagine that it would be an improvement to be certifiably crazy have never spent time in a mental ward, which I did. I hospitalized myself ten years ago while recovering from brain surgery and was on the wrong medication.I got out in two weeks but saw plenty of people who were "truly crazy" who stayed in the lockup for longer periods of time. Since then, I have been reluctant to call people "crazy" unless they are disturbing and causing problems for other people for a significant period of time. This is for the business of Bernadette speculating about losing one's mind. As for senility, I can't say, having not reached that point quite yet. Is King Lear a dependable roadmap? I doubt it. Regards, Tom Savage "W.B. Keckler" wrote: I crossed wires and attributed Parshchikov's Blue Vitriol to Dragomoschenko...my bad...it's great to be senile..okay, senescent....it's a long train ride.... makes me think of that great sonnet by ms. Mayer... "It would be nice to lose one's mind my mind I'd like to lose it I wouldn't mind at all To be in the lunatic asylum at last All for you and for the taxi drivers I'll go there and be asked what year what day it is & who's the president, how come he's a resident I could teach prosody there but nobody Knows what it is So send me away to anybody Anywhere who might Not know something I might not Since I must vice versa live Whaddya mean perforce? Army or navy or marines?" love that one! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:49:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Joe Brainard's Pyjamas Needs Your Exhalations, Vociferations & Ululations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thazzright....recent poets/performance arts featured include Ric Royer, Sheila Black, Larissa Shmailo, Tony Trigilio and legion others. Looking for poetry (3 poems max and 60 lines max please) and fiction, preferably flash fiction but if I can cut and paste and it's good but longer will use...today's meditations include Sylvia Plath & Hamburger Helper, B.E.T. affectations, Profiles in Poetry & more, more I remember more...the void yawns for your words at http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:58:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ana Bozicevic-Bowling Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all, a brief clarification -- in the case of Joanna Newsom's interview, the questions posed her can & should be under question, as they were selected by the interviewer; for Lasky's interview, though, questions from the Proust Questionnaire were used: http://perso.orange.fr/chabrieres/proustquestionnaire.html and only the tone of the conversation is supplied by the interviewer/interviewee. If these artists were anything other than brilliant & intriguing, I doubt their artistic/public personae would be of interest to me or anyone else, or be the object of my admiring analysis. They're their own best champions. And how they present does matter. Thanks, all, for reading... Ana Amy King wrote: Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course she has it. Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the tone that fits the caliber of questions? This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form of "courtliness" ...? Amy Barry Schwabsky wrote: I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. Why are women subject to it? CA Conrad wrote: Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life is Dorothea Lasky. Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your eyes have been. AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:59:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Cassandra Laity Subject: Eliot book now in paperback Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone,=20 Nancy Gish's and my edition _Gender, Sexuality, and Desire in T.S. Eliot_ = (Cambridge, 2004) is now available at Amazon in paperback if anyone is = interested.=20 http://www.amazon.com/Gender-Desire-Sexuality-T-Eliot/dp/0521039460/ref=3De= d_oe_p/002-8536051-0578415 Cassandra Cassandra Laity=20 Associate Professor Co-Editor Modernism/Modernity=20 Drew University=20 Madison, NJ 07940 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:15:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: it's great to be senile In-Reply-To: <433020.48553.qm@web31110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I worked as an attendant for 7 years at state=20 mental hospitals in Ohio. Good fellow workers,=20 decent conditions, but most patients were miserable. I'd not recommend it. My father died of congestive heart failure and Alzheimer's disease. Facing the possibility of such a future and what it would mean to my life (I teach), I don't overly worry about it (what the hell are you going=20 to do anyway?) but I certainly don't glamorize it, even in daydreams. Who knows what blank means? (sticka du jour) -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] = On Behalf Of Thomas savage Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:33 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: it's great to be senile Poets who imagine that it would be an improvement to be certifiably = crazy have never spent time in a mental ward, which I did. I hospitalized = myself ten years ago while recovering from brain surgery and was on the wrong medication.I got out in two weeks but saw plenty of people who were = "truly crazy" who stayed in the lockup for longer periods of time. Since then, = I have been reluctant to call people "crazy" unless they are disturbing = and causing problems for other people for a significant period of time. = This is for the business of Bernadette speculating about losing one's mind. As = for senility, I can't say, having not reached that point quite yet. Is King Lear a dependable roadmap? I doubt it. Regards, Tom Savage "W.B. Keckler" wrote: I crossed wires and = attributed Parshchikov's Blue Vitriol to=20 Dragomoschenko...my bad...it's great to be senile..okay, = senescent....it's a long train=20 ride.... makes me think of that great sonnet by ms. Mayer... "It would be nice to lose one's mind my mind I'd like to lose it I wouldn't mind at all To be in the lunatic asylum at last All for you and for the taxi drivers I'll go there and be asked what year what day it is & who's the president, how come he's a resident I could teach prosody there but nobody Knows what it is So send me away to anybody Anywhere who might Not know something I might not Since I must vice versa live Whaddya mean perforce? Army or navy or marines?" love that one! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new = AOL at=20 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour =20 --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web = links. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:21:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Amanda Earl Subject: August's $100 winner at vispoets.com Comments: To: spidertangle@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <86ir6nrjg5.fsf@argos.fun-fun.prv> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed thanks to Dan and the press for its donation. what a lovely way to inspire. i look forward to the publications. i've got a lot to learn and i find vispoets.com to be full of useful resources and interesting work. please excuse the cross posting. amanda ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:51:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: FW: Peace action: ACT TODAY //Congress set to analyse White House report on Iraq, General Petraeus will MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 00:34:51 -0400 From: Peaceact@mail.democracyinaction.org To: davidbchirot@hotmail.com Subject: Congress set to analyse White House report on Iraq, General Petraeus will only testify Dear David, Given the importance of this oversight action, and the rhetoric spouted by the Bush administration on Iran -- now is a pivotal time to *TAKE ACTION*. 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Try it! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:00:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: it's great to be senile In-Reply-To: <433020.48553.qm@web31110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Take my word for it, Tom, you'll love it when you get here. Hal "We don't serve fine wine in half-pints, buddy." --Robert Ashley Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Sep 6, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Thomas savage wrote: > As for senility, I can't say, having not reached that point quite > yet. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:04:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: it's great to be senile In-Reply-To: <000801c7f0a1$3193a8f0$f4954682@win.louisiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I think (and this is speculation) that it was a poem written in the excess of exuberation and comcomitant frustration that turbulent and uncertain love brings...and that in such scenarios one imagines calm safe harbors everywhere if elsewhere...away from the intensity...the fact that she imagined THAT as a safe harbor is what made it work and still work for me...the "no place to lay one's head" biblical thing sorta... and you know poets...they like...exagerrate and stuff... -----Original Message----- From: Skip Fox To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:15 pm Subject: Re: it's great to be senile I worked as an attendant for 7 years at state mental hospitals in Ohio. Good fellow workers, decent conditions, but most patients were miserable. I'd not recommend it. My father died of congestive heart failure and Alzheimer's disease. Facing the possibility of such a future and what it would mean to my life (I teach), I don't overly worry about it (what the hell are you going to do anyway?) but I certainly don't glamorize it, even in daydreams. Who knows what blank means? (sticka du jour) -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas savage Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:33 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: it's great to be senile Poets who imagine that it would be an improvement to be certifiably crazy have never spent time in a mental ward, which I did. I hospitalized myself ten years ago while recovering from brain surgery and was on the wrong medication.I got out in two weeks but saw plenty of people who were "truly crazy" who stayed in the lockup for longer periods of time. Since then, I have been reluctant to call people "crazy" unless they are disturbing and causing problems for other people for a significant period of time. This is for the business of Bernadette speculating about losing one's mind. As for senility, I can't say, having not reached that point quite yet. Is King Lear a dependable roadmap? I doubt it. Regards, Tom Savage "W.B. Keckler" wrote: I crossed wires and attributed Parshchikov's Blue Vitriol to Dragomoschenko...my bad...it's great to be senile..okay, senescent....it's a long train ride.... makes me think of that great sonnet by ms. Mayer... "It would be nice to lose one's mind my mind I'd like to lose it I wouldn't mind at all To be in the lunatic asylum at last All for you and for the taxi drivers I'll go there and be asked what year what day it is & who's the president, how come he's a resident I could teach prosody there but nobody Knows what it is So send me away to anybody Anywhere who might Not know something I might not Since I must vice versa live Whaddya mean perforce? Army or navy or marines?" love that one! ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:18:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Howe Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This problem is still rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a few-- when discussing female musicians; this in the (probably unconscious) service of infantalizing female musicians and reducing them to a state of cutesy kitsch. also the tacit assumption, particularly relating to female pop stars, that they're basically puppets with some male Svengali doing all the heavy mental lifting in the wings-- and in some cases this may be true, but male critics of a certain stripe (hardboiled indie dudes or aging rockists) seem to make the assumption much more readily about Gwen Stefani than Justin Timberlake. Music expresses culture, and this sort of condescending criticism by males simply expresses a mindset still prevalent in the culture. For what it's worth, I've interviewed Joanna Newsom -- not only is she a brilliant and classically trained musician, she's one of the most intelligent and articulate people I've interviewed, which you wouldn't pick up on from that video. Best, Brian On 9/6/07, Ana Bozicevic-Bowling wrote: > > Hi all, > > a brief clarification -- in the case of Joanna Newsom's interview, the > questions posed her can & should be under question, as they were selected > by > the interviewer; for Lasky's interview, though, questions from the Proust > Questionnaire were used: > > http://perso.orange.fr/chabrieres/proustquestionnaire.html > > and only the tone of the conversation is supplied by the > interviewer/interviewee. > > If these artists were anything other than brilliant & intriguing, I doubt > their artistic/public personae would be of interest to me or anyone else, > or > be the object of my admiring analysis. They're their own best champions. > And > how they present does matter. > > Thanks, all, for reading... > > Ana > > > > > Amy King wrote: > > Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course > she has it. > > Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and > by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers > are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the > tone that fits the caliber of questions? > > This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, > not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form > of "courtliness" ...? > > Amy > > Barry Schwabsky wrote: > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of > our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for > us. Why are women subject to it? > > CA Conrad wrote: > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. > Those > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life > is Dorothea Lasky. > > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy > your > eyes have been. > > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. > > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:46:41 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <1e7ff3150709061018o12f9e5c0p809e7ccd3c6caab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Speaking of the svengali trip, one of my favorite recent albums is Ballad of the Broken Seas by Isobel Campbell and Mark Lanegan--in part because I love how the tables are turned: the frail-voiced, cello-playing woman becomes the svengali for the gravel-voiced, hard-rocking guy. Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a few-- when discussing female musicians; this in the (probably unconscious) service of infantalizing female musicians and reducing them to a state of cutesy kitsch. also the tacit assumption, particularly relating to female pop stars, that they're basically puppets with some male Svengali doing all the heavy mental lifting in the wings-- and in some cases this may be true, but male critics of a certain stripe (hardboiled indie dudes or aging rockists) seem to make the assumption much more readily about Gwen Stefani than Justin Timberlake. Music expresses culture, and this sort of condescending criticism by males simply expresses a mindset still prevalent in the culture. For what it's worth, I've interviewed Joanna Newsom -- not only is she a brilliant and classically trained musician, she's one of the most intelligent and articulate people I've interviewed, which you wouldn't pick up on from that video. Best, Brian On 9/6/07, Ana Bozicevic-Bowling wrote: > > Hi all, > > a brief clarification -- in the case of Joanna Newsom's interview, the > questions posed her can & should be under question, as they were selected > by > the interviewer; for Lasky's interview, though, questions from the Proust > Questionnaire were used: > > http://perso.orange.fr/chabrieres/proustquestionnaire.html > > and only the tone of the conversation is supplied by the > interviewer/interviewee. > > If these artists were anything other than brilliant & intriguing, I doubt > their artistic/public personae would be of interest to me or anyone else, > or > be the object of my admiring analysis. They're their own best champions. > And > how they present does matter. > > Thanks, all, for reading... > > Ana > > > > > Amy King wrote: > > Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course > she has it. > > Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and > by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers > are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the > tone that fits the caliber of questions? > > This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, > not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form > of "courtliness" ...? > > Amy > > Barry Schwabsky wrote: > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of > our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for > us. Why are women subject to it? > > CA Conrad wrote: > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. > Those > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life > is Dorothea Lasky. > > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy > your > eyes have been. > > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. > > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:26:26 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <1e7ff3150709061018o12f9e5c0p809e7ccd3c6caab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" you can infantilize gwen all you want...she'll go with it...she's "feeling yummy head to toe"...and she had the best pop lyric this year i think "p...you crazy...where u get this? this sounds like disco Tetris"...talking to pharell...i think the general rule of thumb is if they stick their finger in their mouth at any time flirtatiously?during a performance it's ok to assume the role of a bimbo interviewer interviewing a bimbette...but hopefully you're both making a lot of? money while doing it...was it paula yates who used to conduct all her interviews in bed with rock stars...i think that's a good way to get rid of the tensions and seriosity...i'm not sure if she interviewed, say, leonard bernstein, like that....i think she stayed more on the pop twinkie side of things...poor?paula ?r.i.p....she and hutchence allegedly victims of the canonization of Sir Geldof.... -----Original Message----- From: Brian Howe To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 1:18 pm Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... This problem is still rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a few-- when discussing female musicians; this in the (probably unconscious) service of infantalizing female musicians and reducing them to a state of cutesy kitsch. also the tacit assumption, particularly relating to female pop stars, that they're basically puppets with some male Svengali doing all the heavy mental lifting in the wings-- and in some cases this may be true, but male critics of a certain stripe (hardboiled indie dudes or aging rockists) seem to make the assumption much more readily about Gwen Stefani than Justin Timberlake. Music expresses culture, and this sort of condescending criticism by males simply expresses a mindset still prevalent in the culture. For what it's worth, I've interviewed Joanna Newsom -- not only is she a brilliant and classically trained musician, she's one of the most intelligent and articulate people I've interviewed, which you wouldn't pick up on from that video. Best, Brian On 9/6/07, Ana Bozicevic-Bowling wrote: > > Hi all, > > a brief clarification -- in the case of Joanna Newsom's interview, the > questions posed her can & should be under question, as they were selected > by > the interviewer; for Lasky's interview, though, questions from the Proust > Questionnaire were used: > > http://perso.orange.fr/chabrieres/proustquestionnaire.html > > and only the tone of the conversation is supplied by the > interviewer/interviewee. > > If these artists were anything other than brilliant & intriguing, I doubt > their artistic/public personae would be of interest to me or anyone else, > or > be the object of my admiring analysis. They're their own best champions. > And > how they present does matter. > > Thanks, all, for reading... > > Ana > > > > > Amy King wrote: > > Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course > she has it. > > Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and > by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers > are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the > tone that fits the caliber of questions? > > This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, > not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form > of "courtliness" ...? > > Amy > > Barry Schwabsky wrote: > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of > our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for > us. Why are women subject to it? > > CA Conrad wrote: > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. > Those > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life > is Dorothea Lasky. > > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy > your > eyes have been. > > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. > > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:43:19 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Wichita State University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Wichita State University Director of Creative Writing & Assistant/Associate Professor of English in Creative Writing, tenure eligible, beginning spring or fall 2008. Seeking a published creative writer, a poet or fiction writer, additional creative nonfiction writing publications a strength, who has some administrative experience, to assume the directorship of a nationally-recognized MFA program & an undergraduate creative writing program. Salary & benefits competitive. Qualifications: terminal degree in creative writing, publications (including at least one book from a recognized literary publishing house), teaching experience at the university level, evidence of administrative experience, successful experience working with diverse populations. Please send a letter of application, c.v., book, & names of three references, with contact information, to: Margaret Dawe, Chair Department of English Wichita State University Wichita, KS 67260-0014. To ensure full consideration, applications must be postmarked by October 8; however, the position will remain open until filled. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:00:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Herb Levy Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <221383.30985.qm@web86012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Barry Schwabsky wrote: > Speaking of the svengali trip, one of my favorite recent albums is Ballad of the Broken Seas by Isobel Campbell and Mark Lanegan--in part because I love how the tables are turned: the frail-voiced, cello-playing woman becomes the svengali for the gravel-voiced, hard-rocking guy. > > Uh, that may be the premise of the story of the songs on the album or something, I don't know because I haven't heard it. But Lanegan's been making records since the grunge scare of the mid to late 1980s (he was in Screaming Trees) and the band that Campbell was in earlier, Belle & Sebastian, didn't begin recording til some time in the mid-1990s. So who's the Svengali here? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:16:54 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: North-5 Text-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is Text #24 of 25: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/North-5/text-4.htm Introduction to project: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/Intro.htm Notes: Designed for 1024X768 screen resolution; Medium size fonts; MS Explorer = browser preferred. References open by placing cursor over text. -Joel Weishaus ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:24:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: crystal hoffman Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm very surprised that there seems to be such an aversion to the use of condoms amongst some of you! Elizabeth Switaj wrote: "irresponsible sex" Responsible sex sounds really boring. EKS --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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Joel Weishaus wrote: > This is Text #24 of 25: > > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/North-5/text-4.htm > > Introduction to project: > http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/Intro.htm > > > Notes: > Designed for 1024X768 screen resolution; Medium size fonts; MS Explorer browser preferred. > References open by placing cursor over text. > > -Joel Weishaus > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:23:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed part of the problem with this discussion is people are making generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which revolves around removing your children from public schools so they can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. because he had very long hair & was into really different things than local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. ~mIEKAL ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:34:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: living music Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, anansi1@earthlink.net, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, arlenej2@verizon.net, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, butchershoppoet@hotmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, Hooker99@aol.com, rakien@gmail.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, krkubert@hotmail.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, tcumbie@nyc.rr.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit skyplums@juno.com> To: iris@staffwriters.com Cc: skyplums@juno.com Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:47:50 -0400 Subject: Fw: RE: FW: The Living Theatre ~ presents ~ LIVING MUSIC (Fall Schedule) sorry for this mess here it is thus far a few missing Message-ID: <20070905.154334.2000.29.skyplums@juno.com> ~ presents ~ Living Music FALL 2007 SCHEDULE Tuesday, Sept 11th at 9:30pm Other Dimensions in Music with Roy Campbell, Daniel Carter, William Parker and Charles Downs (formerly Rashid Bakr) + very special guests Tuesday Sept 18 @ 8 PM Slammin the Infinite with/ Steve Swell - trombone Sabir Mateen - reeds Matt Heyner - bass Oct 6 11PM David Grollman Friday, Oct 19th at 11pm Test featuring Sabir Mateen, Daniel Carter, Tom Bruno and Matt Henner David Nuss Oct 20 & 30 with guests @ 11pm all shows $10 The Living Theatre is located at 21 Clinton Street (F train to Delancey or 1st Ave) http://www.livingtheatre.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:50:23 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <46E04E45.90705@eskimo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit She didn't "create" him, duh, but if you check out the record, she uses him as the mouthpiece for her concept. Herb Levy wrote: Barry Schwabsky wrote: > Speaking of the svengali trip, one of my favorite recent albums is Ballad of the Broken Seas by Isobel Campbell and Mark Lanegan--in part because I love how the tables are turned: the frail-voiced, cello-playing woman becomes the svengali for the gravel-voiced, hard-rocking guy. > > Uh, that may be the premise of the story of the songs on the album or something, I don't know because I haven't heard it. But Lanegan's been making records since the grunge scare of the mid to late 1980s (he was in Screaming Trees) and the band that Campbell was in earlier, Belle & Sebastian, didn't begin recording til some time in the mid-1990s. So who's the Svengali here? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:00:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September 2007 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear ones, Please join us. Also, workshops begin soon. It is not too late to enroll! Scroll down for details. Love, The Poetry Project TUESDAY, September 11, 7 - 9PM (FREE) RECOLLECTIVE:=20 ST. MARK=B9S CHURCH & THE ARTS PROJECTS OBSERVE 9/11 This event is sponsored by St. Mark=B9s Church and will include readings and performances by the arts project=B9s that call it home: The Poetry Project, Ontological Hysterical Theater and Danspace. The St. Mark's Choir and Reverend Billy will also perform. Join us in the sanctuary as we remember, reflect and create communally. Featured poets are Thom Donovan, Nathaniel Siegel and Christina Strong. WRITING WORKSHOPS AT THE POETRY PROJECT: =20 BASIC AND BOLD: LOGOS R US =AD PATRICIA SPEARS JONES TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 9TH =20 Every writer finds a niche, a gesture, the thing that works in what they do= . At some point it may become a style or convention. Sometimes it becomes a crutch. One way to break the mode is to be radical=8Bthat is, return to the roots. What brought you to poetry in the first place? This is a workshop for writers who want to re-look at how the structure and elements of poetry provide the wherewithal to make poems that are as ambitious, thoughtful and innovative as you want them to be. There will be in class writing, assignments, reading, and a revision project called =8BCAN THIS POEM BE SAVED?=8B in which you bring a poem that simply has not come to closure; seem= s to be stuck; or needs to be looked at by fresh eyes in the hope of finding what could make it work. This workshop is geared toward writers who have been seriously writing for some time. Please submit 5-8 pages of poetry an= d a brief description of what you=B9d like to accomplish in the workshop by September 28. African American poet, playwright and cultural commentator, Patricia Spears Jones is author of two collections, Femme du Monde and The Weather That Kills. =20 POETRY LAB: FORMS OF JOYFUL EXPERIMENTATION =AD TODD COLBY FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 12TH In this workshop we'll forge new paths to the poem by investigating how far a poem can depart from being =B3a poem=B2 and yet still be a poem. We'll experiment with breath, heartbeat, movement, blogs, the alchemy of words, visions, letters to the editor, spontaneity, psychoanalysis, collaborations= , appropriations and self-hypnosis, along with various traditional forms. The main objective is to create a supportive and inviting atmosphere in our joyfully experimental "Lab." A partial reading list will include: Hannah Weiner, Jacques Lacan, Gertrude Stein, Diane Williams, David Markson, Miranda July, Thomas Bernhard, Bill Knott, Arthur Rimbaud, Alice Notley, Mina Loy, Charles Olson, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort, all of which were published by Soft Skull Press. =20 WORLDLY AND INFINITELY DIMENSIONAL: A WORKSHOP =AD RACHEL LEVITSKY SATURDAYS AT 12PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 13 =20 In these times, the possibilities by which we may amplify, record, document= , display, shape, formulate, and publish words increases daily. Although expanded media and its wide reach are in themselves a meaningful fact of ou= r times, they don=B9t necessarily enhance a poetry=B9s resonance. How do we, and by we I mean both ourselves as ones and ourselves as groups, best construct and perform our poetries so as to be present in these particular times and yet open to the infinite possibilities of =B3projection,=B2 =B3conception,=B2 =B3performance=B2? Familiarizing ourselves with poets like Abigail Child, Julie Patton, Cecilia Vicu=F1a, Bob Dylan, Linton Kwesi Johnson (some will be visiting the workshop), we will consider all means available and any means necessary to project living works into our world. Individually and collaboratively we=B9ll construct performances, visual works, sound events, improvisations, etc. Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem) and is the founder and co-editor of Belladonna Books. =20 =20 The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall spring and fall classes= . Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212)674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. MONDAY, September 24, 8pm HETTIE JONES & JOAN LARKIN Hettie Jones=B9s twenty books for children and adults include her memoir of the Beat scene, How I Became Hettie Jones; the poetry collection Drive, which won the Poetry Society of America=B9s Norma Farber Award; Big Star Fallin=B9 Mama, Five Women in Black Music, honored by the New York Public Library; and No Woman No Cry, a memoir she authored for Bob Marley=B9s widow, Rita. Just published are From Midnight to Dawn, the Last Tracks of the Underground Railroad (with Jacqueline Tobin), and a third poetry collection= , Doing 70. Jones is the former Chair of the PEN Prison Writing Committee, and the editor of Aliens at the Border, a poetry collection from her workshop at the Bedford Hills Correctional Facility. Joan Larkin=B9s most recent collection is My Body: New and Selected Poems (Hanging Loose Press). Previous books include Cold River (which received a 1997 Lambda Award),and Sor Juana=B9s Love Poems (translated with Jaime Manrique). Larkin co-founded Out & Out Books during the feminist literary explosion of the 70=B9s. She has served as poetry editor for the queer journal Bloom and co-edits the University of Wisconsin Press autobiography series, =B3Living Out.=B2 Her anthology of coming-out stories, A Woman Like That, was nominated for Publishing Triangle and Lambda awards for nonfiction. In her fourth decade of teaching writing, she teaches in the low-residency MFA program in Poetry at New England College. =20 WEDNESDAY, September 26, 8pm LISA JARNOT & SPARROW Lisa Jarnot was born in Buffalo, New York and now lives in Queens. She is the author of three full-length collections of poetry: Some Other Kind of Mission, Ring of Fire, and Black Dog Songs. Her biography of poet Robert Duncan is forthcoming from University of California Press. Her fourth full-length collection of poetry is forthcoming from Flood Editions. She is a teacher and a blogger. Sparrow is in the midst of his fifth campaign for President. He lives in Phoenicia, New York with his wife, Violet Snow, and his daughter Sylvia. Behind their house, an elderly rabbit named Bananacak= e resides in a rustic hutch. Sparrow writes the gossip column for the Phoenicia Times. (He invents all the gossip.) Sparrow's books are Republica= n Like Me: a Diary of My Presidential Campaign, Yes, You ARE a Revolutionary! and America: A Prophecy -- the Sparrow Reader (all on Soft Skull Press). FRIDAY, September 28, 10pm MASHA TUPITSYN & NORA, a film. =20 Masha Tupitsyn is a fiction writer and feminist critic who lives in New Yor= k City. She received her MA in Literature and Cultural Theory from the University of Sussex in England. Her fiction and criticism has been published or is forthcoming in the anthology Wreckage of Reason: XXperimental Women Writers Writing in the 21st Century, Make/Shift, and Bookforum, among other places. Beauty Talk & Monsters, her first book, is a collection of film-based stories recently published by Semiotext(e). She is currently working on her new book, Showtime. Masha=B9s reading will be accompanied by a screening of Nora, a short narrative by Portland-based artists Holly Andres and Grace Carter, in which an afternoon encounter between two lovers plays out in an unusual fashion. The film examines gende= r roles in terms of sexuality, power, violence and commerce by using tools of the classic suspense/thriller genre, most notably Hitchcock's Psycho. Pleas= e visit them online at http://hollyandres.com/ & http://gracecarterfilms.com. =20 Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Fall Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:45:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <36622.20528.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > My question is about the word "thusly." As "thus" is an adverb, and "-ly" is an adverbial ending, what is "thusly"? Geo. Harry Bowering, M.A. Fell down in Firenze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:59:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <221383.30985.qm@web86012.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still > rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a > few-- Wait, wait wait wait! When did "diva" become a belittling word? Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word "diva") is to insult her? > Geo. H. Bowering Adaptable yet reliable. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:00:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <865822.82889.qm@web86011.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit agree wholeheartedly w/ CA--Dottie rules--she is never boring, which is saying something, & she manages to be funny & moral & political all at once. On 9/6/07 6:26 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" wrote: > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of our > personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. Why are > women subject to it? > > CA Conrad wrote: > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life > is Dorothea Lasky. > > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your > eyes have been. > > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. > > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. > > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:08:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Joe Brainard's Pyjamas Needs Your Exhalations, Vociferations & Ululations In-Reply-To: <8C9BEAC334AC6FE-AE8-694D@WEBMAIL-MC19.sysops.aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit moving poem by tony trigilio--hi tony--thanks for yr review WB On 9/6/07 10:49 AM, "W.B. Keckler" wrote: > Thazzright....recent poets/performance arts featured include Ric Royer, Sheila > Black, Larissa Shmailo, Tony Trigilio and legion others. Looking for poetry (3 > poems max and 60 lines max please) and fiction, preferably flash fiction but > if I can cut and paste and it's good but longer will use...today's meditations > include Sylvia Plath & Hamburger Helper, B.E.T. affectations, Profiles in > Poetry & more, more I remember more...the void yawns for your words at > http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:27:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: crystal hoffman Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Myself (as well as my home-schooled friends) are quite happy living herpes free lives...but whatever turns you on, I suppose. Elizabeth Switaj wrote: "irresponsible sex" Responsible sex sounds really boring. EKS --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:04:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A compound suture. George Bowering wrote: > My question is about the word "thusly." As "thus" is an adverb, and "-ly" is an adverbial ending, what is "thusly"? --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:43:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: midwest daisy Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <1e7ff3150709061018o12f9e5c0p809e7ccd3c6caab@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is so interesting. How do you see Joni Mitchell fitting in here, into what you say? Recently, I have listened to her interviewed as a very young woman (here: http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-68-2462/arts_entertainment/joni_mitchell/). On 9/6/07, Brian Howe wrote: > > This problem is still rampant in music criticism, it's built into the > words > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a > few-- > when discussing female musicians; this in the (probably unconscious) > service > of infantalizing female musicians and reducing them to a state of cutesy > kitsch. also the tacit assumption, particularly relating to female pop > stars, that they're basically puppets with some male Svengali doing all > the > heavy mental lifting in the wings-- and in some cases this may be true, > but > male critics of a certain stripe (hardboiled indie dudes or aging > rockists) > seem to make the assumption much more readily about Gwen Stefani than > Justin > Timberlake. Music expresses culture, and this sort of condescending > criticism by males simply expresses a mindset still prevalent in the > culture. For what it's worth, I've interviewed Joanna Newsom -- not only > is > she a brilliant and classically trained musician, she's one of the most > intelligent and articulate people I've interviewed, which you wouldn't > pick > up on from that video. > > Best, > Brian > > > On 9/6/07, Ana Bozicevic-Bowling wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > a brief clarification -- in the case of Joanna Newsom's interview, the > > questions posed her can & should be under question, as they were > selected > > by > > the interviewer; for Lasky's interview, though, questions from the > Proust > > Questionnaire were used: > > > > http://perso.orange.fr/chabrieres/proustquestionnaire.html > > > > and only the tone of the conversation is supplied by the > > interviewer/interviewee. > > > > If these artists were anything other than brilliant & intriguing, I > doubt > > their artistic/public personae would be of interest to me or anyone > else, > > or > > be the object of my admiring analysis. They're their own best champions. > > And > > how they present does matter. > > > > Thanks, all, for reading... > > > > Ana > > > > > > > > > > Amy King wrote: > > > > Craig, In fact, her "permission" isn't questioned at all - of course > > she has it. > > > > Barry, Something we also questioned are the questions posed -- and > > by whom. Why are talented women still asked what these interviewers > > are asking, and in turn, why do women still fall in line with the > > tone that fits the caliber of questions? > > > > This phenomenon is not limited to Lasky and Newsome, > > not-so-incidentally. But maybe I'm just imagining this ancient form > > of "courtliness" ...? > > > > Amy > > > > Barry Schwabsky wrote: > > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of > > our personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for > > us. Why are women subject to it? > > > > CA Conrad wrote: > > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. > > Those > > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands > in > > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my > life > > is Dorothea Lasky. > > > > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy > > your > > eyes have been. > > > > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. > > > > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:52:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <738393.78807.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" thus=C2=B7ly=C2=A0(sl)=20 adv. Usage Problem=20 Thus. Usage Note: Thusly was introduced in the 19th century as an alternative to t= hus in sentences such as Hold it thus or He put it thus. It appears to have=20= first been used by humorists, who may have been echoing the speech of poorly= educated people straining to sound stylish. The word has subsequently gaine= d some currency in educated usage, but it is still often regarded as incorre= ct. A large majority of the Usage Panel found it unacceptable in an earlier=20= survey. In formal writing thus can still be used as in the examples above; i= n other styles this way, like this, and other such expressions are more natu= ral. A compound suture. =20 George Bowering wrote: > My question is about the word=20 thusly." As "thus" is an adverb, and "-ly" is an adverbial nding, what is "thusly"? =20 -------------------------------- ake the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, new= s,=20 hotos & more.=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:16:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: O Books 9/11 reading at City Lights In-Reply-To: <002101c7ef32$f6a992a0$4601a8c0@Winxp> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Wish I cd be there, Leslie. Wd you backchannel if you know how to reach Jono Schneider? Many thanks. Ruth On 9/4/07 4:34 PM, "Leslie Scalapino" wrote: > 9/11-O Books reading at City Lights: Michael McClure, Lyn Hejinian, Rob > Halpern, Leslie Scalapino, > > Suzanne Stein, Jocelyn Saidenberg, and > > Jen Scappettone will celebrate the publication of War and Peace 3/The Future, > co-edited by Judith Goldman and Leslie Scalapino, published by O Books and > featuring forty poets. The time of the reading is 7:00 PM on Tuesday > 9/11/2007. City Lights Books, 261 Columbus at Broadway in San Francisco. > > War and Peace 3/The Future, O Books, 168 pages, $14. ISBN # 1-882022-65-3. > Distributed by Small Press Distribution: 1341 Seventh St. Berkeley CA 94710. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:48:41 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <47F33494-32FA-4F9B-8335-590951549B21@mwt.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT absolutely, re: this is a concept that was normal before compulsory public education was an "aha! moment" for the upper classes in england around the time of the french revolution--make the buggahs upwardly mobile--that'll fix em... my son had very long hair when he was in 2d grade and onward, and that and his independent thinking made things much harder for him. he took a year off and stayed home for 4th grade--did nothing--and went straight back into 5th grade without a problem. he's a free and deep thinker and feeler at 18, scraped through high school graduation because he can't stand being told what he should be interested in. from a proud mom. :-) On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > part of the problem with this discussion is people are making > generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in > this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems > to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which > revolves around removing your children from public schools so they > can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / > homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more > diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the > kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which > point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon > was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our > community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an > agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same > age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. > verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. > because he had very long hair & was into really different things than > local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention > in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in > the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high > school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. > > ~mIEKAL > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 03:16:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Grim(e) Day MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Grim(e) Day This has been a grim day. Whenever I speak with my father, his hatred manages to hit home. From his viewpoint I'm a failure. He's been paying my health insurance; otherwise I'd die which might not be that much of a dis- pleasure to him. Thinking about this there were voices in my head which managed to expand into a world I prayed was out there, but am certain was just going on between cortex and ego. Yes, things manage to leap ontolo- gies just like that, the sign of madness. I listened to crystal, worked on rearrangement, all those voices spewed into the aether through systems of coils echoing one another, http://www.asondheim.org/echocoils.mp3 . I began to recognize the mockery of dissonance, played music and toppled the line upon itself with echos and delays as I thought what to do next, in the meantime beginning world-building once again with universal harmony, http://www.asondheim.org/universalharmony.mp3. By this time I was raging in tears fighting myself repeatedly, not that my health has been in good shape, it hasn't. I'm as far from my family as an event horizon filled with nothing worthwhile. I curled into myself. I curled farther into myself, I thought myself monad, I thought myself rage, I thought myself consort, I stopped thinking, I began again with the harmony of monads purring softly in molecular air, http://www.asondheim.org/harmonady.mp3 , open the windows, monads and let the soft flow healing in, the curing of rage against the selves swells to uncanny beauties that never makes the pain worthwhile. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:35:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Suzanne Burns Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <868609.32602.qm@web43136.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jeez guys, I WISH my brother would consider homeschooling my nephew-- who is brilliant, thoughtful, original and who thrives in hands on situations. I love ripping things apart with him and watching hyim learn how to put it all back together. Yesterday he asked me what was the difference between wisdom and knowledge. When he discovers and idea he loves, he literally wants to dance around the room with happiness. I dread what will happen when he goes to school and has be quiet and sit still or be labelled "hyperactive". I think he would do well with unschooling because he is so naturally curious and interested in the world., He doesn't need to be squeezed into some standardized hole. BTW, I think responsible sex is totally HOT. Nothing fires me up as much as a man who is thoughful and considerate by nature, and would never want to hurt me in a million years. You can keep the selfish creeps who only care about their own pleasure.... Suzanne Burns On 9/6/07, crystal hoffman wrote: > > Myself (as well as my home-schooled friends) are quite happy living herpes > free lives...but whatever turns you on, I suppose. > > Elizabeth Switaj wrote: "irresponsible sex" > > Responsible sex sounds really boring. > > EKS > > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:17:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: 25 by Andrew Topel Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the minimalist concrete poetry site at: http://www.logolalia.com/minimalistconcretepoetry/ has been updated with 25 pieces by Andrew Topel. "The trillionth part has not yet been said; and all that has been said, but multiplies the avenues to what remains to be said. It is not so much paucity, as superabundance of material that seems to incapacitate modern authors." --Herman Melville To which I would add: seems to incapacitate *some* modern authors, but not Andrew Topel, who meets superabundance head. Come see one small drop in his bucket. Enjoy, Dan ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:31:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" most of all, you are blessed with an intelligent child. not all of us have children who have the capacity to do this. -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Welford To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:48 pm Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling absolutely, re: this is a concept that was normal before compulsory public education was an "aha! moment" for the upper classes in england around the time of the french revolution--make the buggahs upwardly mobile--that'll fix em... my son had very long hair when he was in 2d grade and onward, and that and his independent thinking made things much harder for him. he took a year off and stayed home for 4th grade--did nothing--and went straight back into 5th grade without a problem. he's a free and deep thinker and feeler at 18, scraped through high school graduation because he can't stand being told what he should be interested in. from a proud mom. :-) On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > part of the problem with this discussion is people are making > generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in > this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems > to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which > revolves around removing your children from public schools so they > can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / > homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more > diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the > kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which > point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon > was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our > community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an > agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same > age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. > verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. > because he had very long hair & was into really different things than > local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention > in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in > the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high > school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. > > ~mIEKAL > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:50:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tom W. Lewis" Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable first thought after watching the 'tube piece: there's 4+ minutes of my life I'll never get back -- and I try *so hard* not to think like that these days... there is a general shallowness of self-presentation I think is in vogue now, and I take Ana's original post as an illustration of how creative women come off as ninnies when they're asked the "20 questions" or whatever -- I blame the context, not the subjects, in this case... I will have to give D Lasky a read -- based solely on the YouTube questionnaire footage, she struck me as just another self-loathing female poet -- that said, I don't put much stock in anyone's "performance" when accosted with one-size-fits-all magazine questionnaires: irk.=20 "Suppose there were no questions what would the answer be."=20 -- Gertrude Stein -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 19:01 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... agree wholeheartedly w/ CA--Dottie rules--she is never boring, which is saying something, & she manages to be funny & moral & political all at once. On 9/6/07 6:26 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" wrote: > I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. > In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and analysis of our > personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. Why are > women subject to it? >=20 > CA Conrad wrote: > Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the other. Those > who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she stands in > this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my life > is Dorothea Lasky. >=20 > Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how lazy your > eyes have been. >=20 > AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. >=20 > In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. >=20 > CAConrad > http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:21:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: arrests made for hanging anti war protest posters for 9/15 march in DC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I put links on The PhillySound this morning about this, it's SO FUCKED UP! CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:18:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: Re: Nielsen Broadcast In-Reply-To: <1188619891l.1089556l.0l@psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline terrific Aldon thnx;) On 9/1/07, ALDON L NIELSEN wrote: > Follow this URL to an audio file of my appearance today on Santa Barbara radio > talking about and playing selections from Amiri Baraka, Amina Baraka, William > Parker, Curtis Mayfield etc: > > > > > and while you're there, you might want to scroll down to the Oliver Lake > episode -- > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > We are enslaved by > what makes us free -- intolerable > paradox at the heart of speech. > --Robert Kelly > > Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ > > Aldon L. Nielsen > Kelly Professor of American Literature > The Pennsylvania State University > 116 Burrowes > University Park, PA 16802-6200 > > (814) 865-0091 > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:07:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Howe Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <0343eeb3798e74e746340a6221224640@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've seldom heard "diva" used in music journalism to indicate the divine, regardless of its origins. It seems more often deployed to insinuate the old "hysterical woman" stereotype, synonymous in tone with something like "prima donna". It's not explicitly insulting, it's part of a larger structural pattern of language from male critics that holds back a measure of artistic seriousness from female musicians. At any rate, "siren" might have been a better example, implying as it does (even in its literal sense) that the singer will lure you into danger with her magical song or some shit like that. Best, Brian On 9/6/07, George Bowering wrote: > > > > > > > Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still > > rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words > > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a > > few-- > > Wait, wait wait wait! > > When did "diva" become a belittling word? > Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word "diva") > is to insult her? > > > > > > Geo. H. Bowering > Adaptable yet reliable. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:29:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Zamsky, Robert" Subject: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: A<6.2.1.2.2.20070905131532.03200748@mail.wayne.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had an interesting conversation with a colleague of mine in our music department the other day that I thought I would share with the list. He regularly teaches a class on music-voice-text, and one of the issues he is interested in is poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance. As he and I discussed, it seems like such resistance could be categorized in a number of ways: features of the text that make it difficult to vocalize (such as working in several languages, unusual syntax or diction, etc.); features of the text that don't necessarily or obviously translate into vocalization (although punctuation, lineation, etc. always work at least partly at the acoustic level, they also often have other, overriding concerns); and, poetic texts that are engaged with the visual perhaps almost to the exclusion of the verbal. For this last, we were talking of course about concrete poetry and other "visual poetries" -- we spent a lot of time talking about Robert Grenier, for instance. I found the conversation interesting partly because there is so much interest (on my part, at least), in the acoustic/musical/performance qualities of poetry, and it was useful to poke at the limit-cases of that concern. I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.... Thanks! Robert L. Zamsky, PhD Assistant Professor New College of Florida ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:38:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <54AA9B41BC35F34EAD02E660901D8A5A0EE69DAE@TLRUSMNEAGMBX10.ERF.THOMSON.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The answer to Stein's question would be "Next question, please." But, Tom, the moments to watch out for are the ones that keep coming back again and again and again and again and . . . Hal "The nation without great poets will not have great politicians." --Saddam Hussein Halvard Johnson ================ halvard@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html http://entropyandme.blogspot.com http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com http://www.hamiltonstone.org http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Tom W. Lewis wrote: > first thought after watching the 'tube piece: there's 4+ minutes of my > life I'll never get back -- and I try *so hard* not to think like that > these days... > > there is a general shallowness of self-presentation I think is in > vogue > now, and I take Ana's original post as an illustration of how creative > women come off as ninnies when they're asked the "20 questions" or > whatever -- I blame the context, not the subjects, in this case... > > I will have to give D Lasky a read -- based solely on the YouTube > questionnaire footage, she struck me as just another self-loathing > female poet -- that said, I don't put much stock in anyone's > "performance" when accosted with one-size-fits-all magazine > questionnaires: irk. > > "Suppose there were no questions what would the answer be." > -- Gertrude Stein > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 19:01 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... > > agree wholeheartedly w/ CA--Dottie rules--she is never boring, > which is > saying something, & she manages to be funny & moral & political all at > once. > > > On 9/6/07 6:26 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" > wrote: > >> I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA. >> In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and >> analysis of > our >> personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us. > Why are >> women subject to it? >> >> CA Conrad wrote: >> Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the > other. Those >> who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she > stands in >> this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my > life >> is Dorothea Lasky. >> >> Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how > lazy your >> eyes have been. >> >> AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it. >> >> In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky. >> >> CAConrad >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:14:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dodie Bellamy Subject: Dodie Bellamy Fall Prose Workshop (in San Francisco) Comments: To: ampersand@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Writing Experiments Workshop Dodie Bellamy My fall workshop will meet 11 consecutive Tuesday evenings, from 7 to 10 p.m. The dates: September 25 through December 4. Cost: $350, with a $100 deposit due by September 18. Most weeks students will be assigned a short take-home writing experiment which they will share with the class the following week. Assignments will range from cut ups to exploring bodily sensations. Assignments are geared towards the class dynamic, so they may eventually drop away or they may continue for the duration of the class. Each week we will also critique longer pieces by two to five students. Students may bring in anything they want (up to 20 pages) for the longer critiques. Depending on the length, these longer pieces will be read aloud in class or handed out a week ahead of time. Though this class will have a prose focus, it is cross-genre, and poets are welcome. The class is limited to 10 students. Lots and lots of personal attention. It takes place in San Francisco, in my South of Market apartment, which comes complete with snacks and two cats. This is a good class for poets wanting to play around with narrative or prose writers wanting to open up their prose. I won't be doing a workshop in the spring, but hope to do another one in the summer. About me: Pink Steam, my collection of fiction, memoir, and memoiresque essays, was published in 2004 by San Francisco's Suspect Thoughts Press. My vampire novel, The Letters of Mina Harker was reprinted by University of Wisconsin Press, also in 2004. Academonia, a book of essays was published by Krupskaya in 2006. I'm the author of 3 other books and I teach creative writing at SF State, CCA and Antioch Los Angeles. I've also taught at CalArts, Naropa summer session, Mills, USF, UC Santa Cruz, and the SF Art Institute. I've received the Bay Guardian Goldie Award for Literature and the Firecracker Alternative Book Award for Poetry. If you're interested, please email about work samples, etc. Or--if you know anybody who might be interested, please pass this email along to them. If you're interested do contact me promptly. Preference given to those not currently enrolled in a grad writing program. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:32:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <1e7ff3150709071007m37485924o944e21ac300ec5f5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Okay, I believe your experience. I still hear the word "diva" used without irony in its proper place. The only laughable usage I have heard lately is its application to female pop singers. gb On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Brian Howe wrote: > I've seldom heard "diva" used in music journalism to indicate the > divine, > regardless of its origins. It seems more often deployed to insinuate > the old > "hysterical woman" stereotype, synonymous in tone with something like > "prima > donna". It's not explicitly insulting, it's part of a larger structural > pattern of language from male critics that holds back a measure of > artistic > seriousness from female musicians. At any rate, "siren" might have > been a > better example, implying as it does (even in its literal sense) that > the > singer will lure you into danger with her magical song or some shit > like > that. > > Best, > Brian > > > On 9/6/07, George Bowering wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still >>> rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words >>> some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name >>> a >>> few-- >> >> Wait, wait wait wait! >> >> When did "diva" become a belittling word? >> Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word >> "diva") >> is to insult her? >> >> >> >> >>> Geo. H. Bowering >> Adaptable yet reliable. >> > > George Harvey Bowering Fond of many dead people. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:02:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Absent 2: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Simon De Ceo's blogspot (http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com) and the first two issues of the journal Absent that he edits http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2007/08/absent-magazine-issue-two-now-on= line.htmare exciting and very interesting to read, especially as in Absent there's the inclusion of a conversation among a much wider range of poetries and poetics than is too seldom offered. Issues of growing concern for quite some time in the ongoing American Empire's Wars (Poverty, Drugs & Terror) at home and abroad are those of censorship and the control and manipulation of translation and Intelligence (includingto be sure "Intelligent Design!"). The more unstable things become, the more silencing of critical writings and voices there is. With more frequency al the time, one reads of talks canceled talks, classes, contracts and marshaled attacks on "books, professors, authors, citizens. The kind of dialogic sphere Absent presents is a great breath of fresh air to find in such a climate. Two essays in particular I found fascinating in relation to the politicization and policing of language and translation in attempts to effect/claim the effects of the controlling of a social construction of discourses via questionable claims,especially linguisitic ones, These are De Ceo's own "fuck you,aloha, ecopoeisis," and Kent Johnson's "competence, linguistics, politics & post-avant matters." In both, the issue of grammar is raised as a counter to what De Ceo calls "the inhospitable state of language" De Ceo writes: Which brings me, of course, to ecopoiesis. Not ecopoetics, the creepily violent Iron John-derivative masculinity of Gary Snyder, but ecopoiesis, the creation of life in a hostile environment. The violation of the inhospitable state of language by the introduction of the poet-as-extremophile. extremophile =97 the bacteria that live the extrodinary pressures of the ocean trenches, in sulfuric acid, in the pores of mineral gems. The bacteria that one day =97 if the human race outlives its own violence =97 with which we'll bombard the surface of Mars, erasing the pristine inhospitability to build our shopping malls and hospitals on a foreign landscape . . . Language hates us, language resists us, language, as Noam Chomsky demonstrated to an academic world whose antihumanists such as Judith Butler (despite her other excellencies) continue to resist, is not man's cozy creation, it is a work of nature. The same nature that battered New Orleans batters us daily in our Universal Grammars. What but the mind, and that deepest creation of the mind, the poet, is able to survive the inhuman branchings of syntax, the poverty of semantics? A home must be made on the surfaces of language, inside its syntax and its semantics, and this is where, with a hindsight berift of the usual communal demands of politeness that pervade the landscape of the English-speaking world of poetry, we will recognize what is great and what serves the ephemeral neuroses of the winning side of a widening class divide. The issue of poetry surviving in the "inhospitable state(s) of language" in terms both of poetry and the world in which "the mind" struggles against the inhumanity and neuroses of both nature/Universal Grammars and the class divide ie especially interesting to me as pretty much all my visual works in particular are involved in the situations of an extremophile among billions of extremophiles, who are being continually less visible and listened to by means of Walls, fences, prisons, censorships, gated communities, "security" and Surveillance systems and the new methods of "translation" which seamlessly spread disinformation and propaganda as "news". Kent Johnson's essay also takes up the issue of grammar in relation to poetry and politics. For Johnson, the ontological foundations of Language Poetry and its claims to being resistant to the kinds of "inhospitable state(s)" that De Ceo writes of, are not based in any actual linguistic findings, whether Chomksy's or others. Language Poetry's claim that grammar itself is a product of and "=3D" to social relations and constructions can be seen from this perspective as being ironically what it purports to be resisting, or subverting. That is, a rhetorical claim to a "truth" which has no basis, yet is used in order to control discourse as though the rhetoric is --rather weirdly--not in reference to "the situation on the ground" which De Ceo recognizes and is concerned with, but a situation which exists only within terms of its rhetoric. The rhetoric then becomes a kind of self-referential totality (to my mind) not unlike Karl Rove's famous statement that" We are an Empire and can create or own reality." The problems with the disconnect between the rhetorical reality and the reality on the ground, have of course been made hellishily all too real for millions of persons. If it is not grammar that creates or equals a language of class distinctions and oppressions, Johnons asks, among other questions, in what ways does this claim still have a validity in terms of practice? Among Johnson's questions in this regard are: To what extent -- to reorient Bernstein's remark -- might "grammar, vocabulary, diction, form, and style" within the post-avant subculture more directly and relevantly reflect a range of power relations at work in the literary field itself? And what complicity might "avant" poets share in maintaining and extending such relations? These matters, I'd argue, are much more immediately critical to politically minded poets than any purported homologies between grammatical conventions and cultural hegemonies. Both these essays raise a great many fascinating questions in relation to the fundamental and, for both writers, very much overlooked, question raised, as Johnson points out, by Kasey Silem Mohammad at his blog regarding "competence" and "questions of value." In a period "inhospitable state(s)" of language and ontological being, these questions take on an even greater sense of urgency and I'd highly their thought provoking presenations of them. david-bc http://davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:59:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Camille Martin Subject: Lyn Hejinian's email? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. Could someone please backchannel Lyn Hejinian's email address? =20 Thanks. =20 Camille =20 Camille Martin 156 Brandon Avenue, #403 Toronto, ON M6H 2E4 416.538.6005 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:02:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <1e7ff3150709071007m37485924o944e21ac300ec5f5@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Diva, usually applied to opera singers, is a term of respect, something like grande dame--great lady. Beverley Sills was a diva, and nobody ever accused her of being a prima donna. I've never heard diva applied to pop music types, not even incorrectly. But I'll confess to not being sufficiently interested in pop music to read the journalism about it. Mark At 01:07 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >I've seldom heard "diva" used in music journalism to indicate the divine, >regardless of its origins. It seems more often deployed to insinuate the old >"hysterical woman" stereotype, synonymous in tone with something like "prima >donna". It's not explicitly insulting, it's part of a larger structural >pattern of language from male critics that holds back a measure of artistic >seriousness from female musicians. At any rate, "siren" might have been a >better example, implying as it does (even in its literal sense) that the >singer will lure you into danger with her magical song or some shit like >that. > >Best, >Brian > > >On 9/6/07, George Bowering wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still > > > rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words > > > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a > > > few-- > > > > Wait, wait wait wait! > > > > When did "diva" become a belittling word? > > Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word "diva") > > is to insult her? > > > > > > > > > > > Geo. H. Bowering > > Adaptable yet reliable. > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:17:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Voice and teh Performance of Poery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Robert =20 I read your post to the Poetics List with interest. From 1988-94 I = performed what I sometimes describe as my West Coast Beat-Black Mountain poetry = with free jazz accompaniment. At the time, I played bass violin and had a = band that performed throughout Connecticut and Massachusetts, and a duo with = the late jazz saxophonist Thomas Chapin that performed in venues such as = the Nuyorican Poets Caf=E9 and other Manhattan venues.=20 =20 After I disbanded the group, I found that my poetry became more complex. = I found myself writing what I call =93orchestrated text=94 involving = multiple voices that would come together and diverge in much the way a free form ensemble improvises. At some point in the late 1990s, I received an inundation of Language Poetry books and =20 my style moved comfortably in that direction.=20 =20 On infrequent occasions, between 1999 and 2001 I would recite sections = of my longpoem =93IMPROVISATIONS=94 with a band composed of musicians from my = former poetry band. The difference in poetry made different demands on the = music. When my earlier poems had a clear and pointed meaning, I controlled the music from the bass chair so that the improvisations, while free, would reflect the mood and meaning of the poem being performed. With the more language-centered poems, the musicians could move in whatever direction = they chose; the abstract text allowed the music to establish a = correspondingly abstract interaction. I didn=92t have to control the music.=20 =20 As IMPROVISATIONS progressed, it incorporated visual elements that defy performance, or would require long rehearsals to achieve with voice and sound the visual effect that the page conveys. Although I believe my = written work stands on its own, I=92ve thought that it would be best presented = as a mixed-media event involving multiple readers,=20 a band and a slide or video show of the text and possibly abstract = figures. As I write this, it occurs to me that I would need the equivalent of the = Sun Ra Solar Arkestra to fuse the elements of sound, language and image = together in a way that would raise the work off the page successfully.=20 =20 I don=92t really perform anymore but, having worked with fusing poetry = and music, I find myself at least contemplating how I=92d present work that increasingly defies performance.=20 =20 If you want to discuss this further, feel free to continue the thread or = to backchannel me. =20 Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com =20 =20 =20 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <6FA8EA20-63D0-4123-B33B-F5B29A291A4B@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" the answer is in the question and yes, saddam Hussein was a writer and Hitle= r an artist=E2=80=94if only they had found a place in the art world first! -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:38 pm Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... The answer to Stein's question would be "Next question, please."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But, Tom, the moments to watch out for are the ones=C2=A0 that keep coming back again and again and again and=C2=A0 again and . . .=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hal=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The nation without great poets will=C2=A0 =C2=A0not have great politicians."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Saddam Hussein=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Halvard Johnson=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 halvard@earthlink.net=C2=A0 http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html=C2=A0 http://entropyandme.blogspot.com=C2=A0 http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com=C2=A0 http://www.hamiltonstone.org=C2=A0 http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Tom W. Lewis wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > first thought after watching the 'tube piece: there's 4+ minutes of my=C2= =A0 > life I'll never get back -- and I try *so hard* not to think like that=C2= =A0 > these days...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > there is a general shallowness of self-presentation I think is in > vogue= =C2=A0 > now, and I take Ana's original post as an illustration of how creative=C2= =A0 > women come off as ninnies when they're asked the "20 questions" or=C2=A0 > whatever -- I blame the context, not the subjects, in this case...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > I will have to give D Lasky a read -- based solely on the YouTube=C2=A0 > questionnaire footage, she struck me as just another self-loathing=C2=A0 > female poet -- that said, I don't put much stock in anyone's=C2=A0 > "performance" when accosted with one-size-fits-all magazine=C2=A0 > questionnaires: irk.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > "Suppose there were no questions what would the answer be."=C2=A0 > -- Gertrude Stein=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > -----Original Message-----=C2=A0 > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]= =C2=A0 > On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson=C2=A0 > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 19:01=C2=A0 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 > Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > agree wholeheartedly w/ CA--Dottie rules--she is never boring, > which is= =C2=A0 > saying something, & she manages to be funny & moral & political all at=C2= =A0 > once.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On 9/6/07 6:26 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" =C2=A0 > wrote:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA.=C2=A0 >> In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and >> analysis of= =C2=A0 > our=C2=A0 >> personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us.=C2= =A0 > Why are=C2=A0 >> women subject to it?=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> CA Conrad wrote:=C2=A0 >> Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the=C2=A0 > other. Those=C2=A0 >> who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she=C2=A0 > stands in=C2=A0 >> this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my=C2= =A0 > life=C2=A0 >> is Dorothea Lasky.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how=C2=A0 > lazy your=C2=A0 >> eyes have been.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky.=C2= =A0 >>=C2=A0 >> CAConrad=C2=A0 >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:01:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Howe Subject: New on Glossolalia: ELLA FINDS HER VOICE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline New on Glossolalia: ELLA FINDS HER VOICE, a composition for baby, bass, and digital ephemera. A scary story with a happy ending, starring Ella Vowell. As always, you can stream or download ELLA FINDS HER VOICE at the Glossolalia website: http://glossolalia-blacksail.blogspot.com/ Thanks for your ears. Best, Brian Howe ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:18:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: <8C9BF72EC39D7FA-208-7E35@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bobbi: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement, but =20 homeschooling works for all manner of children & situation, & I =20 guarantee you that if one allows a child's inner lifeforce to express =20= itself in any way=97intellectual, manual, creative, movement-based or =20= even mentored in simple ways=97it can prove to be a valuable option for =20= schooling. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & =20 stay here to be unschooled. One can begin the process at anytime. =20 It's a lifelong commitment. ~mIEKAL On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > most of all, you are blessed with an intelligent child. not all of =20 > us have children who have the capacity to do this. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabrielle Welford > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:48 pm > Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling > > > > absolutely, re: this is a concept that was normal before compulsory =20= > public > education was an "aha! moment" for the upper classes in england =20 > around the > time of the french revolution--make the buggahs upwardly mobile--=20 > that'll > fix em... my son had very long hair when he was in 2d grade and =20 > onward, > and that and his independent thinking made things much harder for =20 > him. he > took a year off and stayed home for 4th grade--did nothing--and went > straight back into 5th grade without a problem. he's a free and deep > thinker and feeler at 18, scraped through high school graduation =20 > because > he can't stand being told what he should be interested in. from a =20 > proud > mom. :-) > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > >> part of the problem with this discussion is people are making >> generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in >> this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems >> to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which >> revolves around removing your children from public schools so they >> can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / >> homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more >> diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the >> kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which >> point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon >> was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our >> community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an >> agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same >> age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. >> verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. >> because he had very long hair & was into really different things than >> local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention >> in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in >> the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high >> school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. >> >> ~mIEKAL >> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, =20 butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, =20 balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take =20 orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a =20= new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, =20 fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. =97Robert A. Heinlein ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:55:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Are young female poets ...and further info. on saddam quote In-Reply-To: <8C9BFB6DB6AD652-208-9AB3@WEBMAIL-MC10.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" with thanks to Halvard=C2=A0Johnson for quote--b. "The nation without great poets will=C2=A0 =C2=A0not have great politicians."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Saddam Hussein=C2=A0 Saddam Hussein - Romance Writer (Who'd have thought?) By Claudia Strasbaugh Next Friday, Tokuma Shoten Publishing Company starts selling Saddam's newest= text to hit book stores, this version translated from Arabic to Japanese fo= r 1,500 yen, or 14 U.S. dollars. Saddam the author, writing love stories, you're thinking?=20 Yes. Tis so.=20 It appears he's not genre handicapped either. Educated and intelligent, Huss= ain is quite capable of producing books of various types on quite a few diff= erent subjects. Actually George Bush's bad man of Bagdad already has a number of titles to h= is credit, some include "Gulf Crisis", "Our History, Heritage, and Religion"= , "The Revolution and Women in Iraq", "Thus We Should Fight Persians" and th= e latest by this prolific scribe, "Devil's Dance" was completed in March of=20= 2003 not long after he was again reelected Iraqi president, shortly before t= he United States invaded his country. Set near the Euphrates River, this lat= est manuscript is a story of a tribesman's life 1,500 years ago.=20 Under fire, Hussein's daughter managed to get the original works to safety a= fter the US attack, according to the publisher.=20 "I think the former president expected a loss and was writing this novel as=20= a message aimed at raising morale among Iraqi people," so says Japan's trans= lator, Itsuko Hirata, who suggested to the publisher that this book be print= ed. "We are not standing behind Saddam's views", Koichi Chikaraishi was known to= have told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa, last week. "We are not trying to spe= ak for Hussein by publishing his book but the story helps (us) understand th= e people of Iraq and how they think." Saddam is presently a prisoner of the current United States whitehouse, accu= sed of crimes against humanity. -----Original Message----- From: bobbilurie@aol.com To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 4:37 pm Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... the answer is in the question and yes, saddam Hussein was a writer and Hitle= r an artist=E2=80=94if only they had found a place in the art world first! -----Original Message----- From: Halvard Johnson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:38 pm Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... The answer to Stein's question would be "Next question, please."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 But, Tom, the moments to watch out for are the ones=C2=A0 that keep coming back again and again and again and=C2=A0 again and . . .=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hal=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "The nation without great poets will=C2=A0 =C2=A0not have great politicians."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --Saddam Hussein=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Halvard Johnson=C2=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=C2=A0 halvard@earthlink.net=C2=A0 http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/index.html=C2=A0 http://entropyandme.blogspot.com=C2=A0 http://imageswithoutwords.blogspot.com=C2=A0 http://www.hamiltonstone.org=C2=A0 http://home.earthlink.net/~halvard/vidalocabooks.html=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:50 AM, Tom W. Lewis wrote:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > first thought after watching the 'tube piece: there's 4+ minutes of my=C2= =A0 > life I'll never get back -- and I try *so hard* not to think like that=C2= =A0 > these days...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > there is a general shallowness of self-presentation I think is in > vogue= =C2=A0 > now, and I take Ana's original post as an illustration of how creative=C2= =A0 > women come off as ninnies when they're asked the "20 questions" or=C2=A0 > whatever -- I blame the context, not the subjects, in this case...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > I will have to give D Lasky a read -- based solely on the YouTube=C2=A0 > questionnaire footage, she struck me as just another self-loathing=C2=A0 > female poet -- that said, I don't put much stock in anyone's=C2=A0 > "performance" when accosted with one-size-fits-all magazine=C2=A0 > questionnaires: irk.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > "Suppose there were no questions what would the answer be."=C2=A0 > -- Gertrude Stein=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > -----Original Message-----=C2=A0 > From: UB Poetics discussion group > [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU]= =C2=A0 > On Behalf Of Ruth Lepson=C2=A0 > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 19:01=C2=A0 > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 > Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ...=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > agree wholeheartedly w/ CA--Dottie rules--she is never boring, > which is= =C2=A0 > saying something, & she manages to be funny & moral & political all at=C2= =A0 > once.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > On 9/6/07 6:26 AM, "Barry Schwabsky" =C2=A0 > wrote:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> I don't know Lasky or her work but...thanks, CA.=C2=A0 >> In general, we male poets don't come in for critique and >> analysis of= =C2=A0 > our=C2=A0 >> personal style or idiosyncracies of self-presentation--lucky for us.=C2= =A0 > Why are=C2=A0 >> women subject to it?=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> CA Conrad wrote:=C2=A0 >> Dorothea Lasky needs no one's permission to act one way or the=C2=A0 > other. Those=C2=A0 >> who actually read her poems understand exactly how and where she=C2=A0 > stands in=C2=A0 >> this world. One of the strongest people and poets I've ever met in my=C2= =A0 > life=C2=A0 >> is Dorothea Lasky.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Lasky points directly at what you see and you know soon enough how=C2=A0 > lazy your=C2=A0 >> eyes have been.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> AWE is one of the best books of poetry of 2007, no doubt about it.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> In 100 years when the rest of us are forgotten there will be Lasky.=C2= =A0 >>=C2=A0 >> CAConrad=C2=A0 >> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com=C2=A0 Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:00:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Iconoclasistas MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit A site of Argentinean netactivism: http://iconoclasistas.com.ar ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:02:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: elizabeth block Subject: okay, so i found this compelling... Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ...a most intelligent and thoughtful commentary on the status of book reviews/book culture from the columbia journalism review i think it a MUST read du jour: http://www.cjr.org/cover_story/goodbye_to_all_that_1.php?page=all happy gobbling:) elizabeth block ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:42:02 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE thanks for this miekal. i wasn't sure how to reply. you say what i would want to say. intelligence has nothing to do with a kid's eagerness to live, and what else is learning based on? tol had such a hard time growing up, things were never easy for him. i wish i had been able/been at a time in my life to have given him unschooling, especially if it could have been with a group of like-minded folks. i guess what i said about tol was just to show that home/unschooled kids can dip in and out of the system, whatever that system is, not to say how smart he is. blessings, g On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Bobbi: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement, but > homeschooling works for all manner of children & situation, & I > guarantee you that if one allows a child's inner lifeforce to express > itself in any way=97intellectual, manual, creative, movement-based or > even mentored in simple ways=97it can prove to be a valuable option for > schooling. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & > stay here to be unschooled. One can begin the process at anytime. > It's a lifelong commitment. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > > most of all, you are blessed with an intelligent child. not all of > > us have children who have the capacity to do this. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gabrielle Welford > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:48 pm > > Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling > > > > > > > > absolutely, re: this is a concept that was normal before compulsory > > public > > education was an "aha! moment" for the upper classes in england > > around the > > time of the french revolution--make the buggahs upwardly mobile-- > > that'll > > fix em... my son had very long hair when he was in 2d grade and > > onward, > > and that and his independent thinking made things much harder for > > him. he > > took a year off and stayed home for 4th grade--did nothing--and went > > straight back into 5th grade without a problem. he's a free and deep > > thinker and feeler at 18, scraped through high school graduation > > because > > he can't stand being told what he should be interested in. from a > > proud > > mom. :-) > > > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > > > >> part of the problem with this discussion is people are making > >> generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in > >> this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems > >> to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which > >> revolves around removing your children from public schools so they > >> can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / > >> homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more > >> diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the > >> kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which > >> point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon > >> was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our > >> community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an > >> agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same > >> age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. > >> verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. > >> because he had very long hair & was into really different things than > >> local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention > >> in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in > >> the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high > >> school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. > >> > >> ~mIEKAL > >> > > > > A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take > orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a > new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, > fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. > > =97Robert A. Heinlein > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 22:04:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Nelson Subject: Poetry Postcards MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The first August Poetry Postcard Fest finished with a few late-arriving poe= m/cards on Tuesday and Wednesday, and Lana Ayers and I have been awed by th= e success of the project.=0A=0AOur thanks go out to all participants, inclu= ding a few from this list: Catherine Daly, Diane di Prima, Gregory Severanc= e, Matt Timmons, Amanda Earl and Gerald Schwartz. (I hope I did not miss an= yone.) There were folks all over North America, in London, Iceland and the = Netherlands. =0A=0AWe are going to continue this project on a more relaxed = basis, a card a week, until next August, when we hope to have more particip= ants ESPECIALLY from outside North America.=0A=0AHere's Lana's call for the= ongoing project:=0A=0A Dear Poet, =0A =0A Thank you for your participa= tion in this August Postcard Poetry Fest. Your inspired participation made= this event the amazing success it was. =0A =0A Share Your Experience= =0A =0A Now that the last cards have come and gone, (we hope), we'd like= to invite you to share your thoughts about this process. If=0Ayou'd like = to write a paragraph or two about the experience, on writing=0Aor receiving= the cards, talk about your favorite cards, what you=0Anoticed about the fl= ow form poem to poem, whatever moved you, that'd be=0Aquite welcome as we s= eek to expand. Please send your piece to Paul at splabman at yahoo dot com= or post it on the Postcard Fest blog http://www.poetrypostcards.blogspot.c= om or on facebook http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=3D17361938720. (Fa= cebook=0Arequires registration and can be quite a habit). If you post your= =0Athoughts about the August Postcard Poetry Fest to your own blog or=0Aweb= site, please send Paul the links and let us know if we can re-post=0Ayour t= houghts elsewhere.=0A =0A Celebrate the Experience=0A =0A For those w= ho are able to come to Seattle on September 22nd, we will have a celebratio= n event at Caf=E9 Vega, 7pm at 1918 E. Yesler Way . This event will be doc= umented by Andre, the proprietor. If you aren't in the area, gather some fr= iends and have a celebration of your own. =0A =0A Continue the Experi= ence=0A =0A So=0Amany of us were so taken with the process of writing th= e cards daily,=0Athat we want to continue this organic connection of words = on a regular=0Abasis, but at a more casual and meditative pace until next A= ugust. So we are now putting together a Perennial Poetry Postcard List. T= he idea here is simple, try to write a postcard poem at least once a week, = and send it to the next person on your list. Try to write a postcard poem = at least once a week regardless of whether you receive one or not in order = to keep the connections=0A flowing. Remember you have a ready-made and exc= ited audience awaiting your poems in the mailbox. When you receive cards, = do respond to them with cards of your own as well. Move through the list o= f names at your own pace and keep going until we reach August 2008.=0A = =0A We will keep the list open and add names whenever someone expresses in= terest, so you will need to add new people occasionally. Please share your= experience with this process with friends and invite them to join us for t= he perennial list. We=0Ahope to make the list as long and broad as we poss= ibly can. Then in=0AAugust, 2008, we'll go back full-throttle into the dail= y August=0APostCard Poetry Fest.=0A =0A Please email Lana lana.ayers at = yahoo dot com or Paul splabman at yahoo dot com to sign up for the perennia= l list. We'd appreciate it if you could reply by 9/22 so we can roll out t= he new list and get those cards=0A started again. And don't forget to forw= ard this info to all your friends and have them join us too.=0A =0A Futu= re Experiences=0A =0A We are planning a weekend of community joining and= workshops for September, 2008, on Orcas Island . We hope you can join us = and would welcome your effort to help plan/shape the event. =0A =0A Tha= nks again for your time, your dedication, your postcard poems that created = this instant and vibrant community of words. =0A =0A All best,=0A Lana= & Paul=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =0APaul E. Nelson, M.A. =0A=0AGlobal Voices Radio=0A= SPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentences=0AOrganic Poetry=0APoetry Postcard Blog=0A=0ASl= aughter, WA 253.735.6328 or 888.735.6328=0A=0A ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:49:06 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "holsapple1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apropos Robert Z's interest in texts that deliberately thwart performanc= e, the research I know indicates that we subvocalize as we read, e.g. Ro= bert Grenier's "I HATE SPEECH" inadvertently referencing pitch & volume = of voice thru capitolization as icons of emphasis. But reading obviousl= y is visual as well, & as one develops expertise in reading, one develop= s visual pathways to (verbal) memory that supercede auditory pathways, s= o that reading often seems silent. Further, printed texts (excluding te= xts like Braile) are significantly visual in as much as they squiggle in= patterned ways, b versus d. The point would be, Robert's categorization into three "other" nonperfor= mative types of text seems supported by research. Besides texts that ca= n be performed, there are texts that are primarily visual. Of those tex= ts which can be performed, there are texts that deliberately frustrate a= performance & texts that are not especially interesting to perform, bec= ause they focus on nonperformative (albeit auditory) features in a text.= Performance doesn't add much to what a reading achieves. Bruce = Bruce ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:31:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 2000 9/11s MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 2000 9/11s 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 9/11 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In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907165814.05694a88@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Sep 7, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Mark Weiss wrote: > Beverley Sills was a diva, and nobody ever accused her of being a > prima donna. Now, that's really funny! > George Bowering, Fan of Alex Shibicky ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 03:49:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Suzanne Burns Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/7/07, mIEKAL aND wrote: > > Bobbi: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement, but > homeschooling works for all manner of children & situation, & I > guarantee you that if one allows a child's inner lifeforce to express > itself in any way=97intellectual, manual, creative, movement-based or > even mentored in simple ways=97it can prove to be a valuable option for > schooling. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & > stay here to be unschooled. One can begin the process at anytime. > It's a lifelong commitment. :-) And it is also a process which can allow a child who is always being told that he is is "not intelligent" to discover the areas where he in fact has real gifts or a real passion. Everybody is different, and not everybody thrives best in a traditional school setting. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & stay here to be unschooled. Where is "here", mIEKAL? Suzanne ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:19:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907165814.05694a88@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On 7 Sep 2007 at 17:02, Mark Weiss wrote: > Diva, usually applied to opera singers, is a term of respect, > something like grande dame--great lady. Beverley Sills was a diva, > and nobody ever accused her of being a prima donna. No, no one did. But she still had that flair for the dramatic when angry, or could act it in real life, that is characteristic of divas and prima donnas. from http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,905555-3,00.html "Even Beverly has her breaking point, however. Once, at a rehearsal in Manhattan, a conductor reprimanded her: "Don't interrupt me when I'm speaking to somebody else." Beverly said: "I'll go you one better. I won't sing when you're conducting," and stomped offstage. During the preparations for her La Scala appearance, she climaxed an argument with the wardrobe mistress by snatching a pair of scissors and snipping a costume into pieces. The onlooking cast and chorus burst into applause, an Italian tribute to a flare of real temperament." This is very different from the goofy self-effacement of the videos originally posted, though. Sill's nickname in the opera world was "Bubbles" because she was a genuinely nice person. But nice, too, is very different from that goofy self-effacement of some of today's young women poets. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:34:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: davidbchirot@hotmail.com sent you a link to content of interest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit davidbchirot@hotmail.com sent you a link to the following content: Finkelstein settles with DePaul, fight continues for Larudee http://www.muzzlewatch.com/?p=239 The sender also included this note: please sign the petition and pass on -- Sent via a FeedFlare link from a FeedBurner feed. http://www.feedburner.com/fb/a/publishers/feedflare ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:20:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry for being so cryptic. I esp. apologize if I offended anyone. If you wo= uld like my reasons for writing what I did they are a result of my personal=20= experiences which are not concepts but realities and you are free to backcha= nnel me. In any event, there is always an assumption that we all have the sa= me brains, capable of conceptualization--ie; the concept of "unschooling" is= totally impossible for certain brains to comprehend. and it is, in the end,= a concept. i, by the way, have tried every method of schooling possible (i,= in=C2=A0fact, could serve as a resource person for anyone searching for var= ious methods of=C2=A0teaching)=C2=A0including homeschooling in terms of my o= wn situation. My response is always to unexamined concepts, generalizations=20= which are not examined in their totality. this is a poetics list so it is si= lly for me to go further. people take positions--that is fine--but sometimes= =C2=A0our personal=C2=A0situation is such that positions cannot be taken/ it= boils down, at times, to "what works"--bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Welford To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:42 pm Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling thanks for this miekal. i wasn't sure how to reply. you say what i would ant to say. intelligence has nothing to do with a kid's eagerness to ive, and what else is learning based on? tol had such a hard time rowing up, things were never easy for him. i wish i had been able/been t a time in my life to have given him unschooling, especially if it could ave been with a group of like-minded folks. i guess what i said about ol was just to show that home/unschooled kids can dip in and out of the ystem, whatever that system is, not to say how smart he is. blessings, g On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Bobbi: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement, but homeschooling works for all manner of children & situation, & I guarantee you that if one allows a child's inner lifeforce to express itself in any way=E2=80=94intellectual, manual, creative, movement-based or even mentored in simple ways=E2=80=94it can prove to be a valuable option f= or schooling. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & stay here to be unschooled. One can begin the process at anytime. It's a lifelong commitment. ~mIEKAL On Sep 7, 2007, at 9:31 AM, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > most of all, you are blessed with an intelligent child. not all of > us have children who have the capacity to do this. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabrielle Welford > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:48 pm > Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling > > > > absolutely, re: this is a concept that was normal before compulsory > public > education was an "aha! moment" for the upper classes in england > around the > time of the french revolution--make the buggahs upwardly mobile-- > that'll > fix em... my son had very long hair when he was in 2d grade and > onward, > and that and his independent thinking made things much harder for > him. he > took a year off and stayed home for 4th grade--did nothing--and went > straight back into 5th grade without a problem. he's a free and deep > thinker and feeler at 18, scraped through high school graduation > because > he can't stand being told what he should be interested in. from a > proud > mom. :-) > > On Thu, 6 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > >> part of the problem with this discussion is people are making >> generalizations about a concept which really has always existed in >> this world since the beginning of civilization. the discussion seems >> to be focussed on one extremely specific form of home-schooling which >> revolves around removing your children from public schools so they >> can be indoctrinated into a religion. believe me, unschooling / >> homeschooling (which really are quite different things) is far more >> diverse than that. in our part of the country more than 25% of the >> kids I know are homeschooled at least till high school, at which >> point they join one of the alternative high schools. my son Liaizon >> was unschooled until he was 12 or so. he was a voting member in our >> community when he was 7, was able to conduct a meeting, create an >> agenda, sponsor & solve problems from a very early age. at the same >> age he could also cook a meal for 25 in order to feed people. >> verbally & creative precocious, inventive, playful & quite happy. >> because he had very long hair & was into really different things than >> local kids, he would have met endless bullying & unwanted attention >> in the public schools. I know because that's what happened to me in >> the schools in this part of Wisconsin when I was, even into high >> school. Things haven't changed much in rural public schools. >> >> ~mIEKAL >> A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. =E2=80=94Robert A. Heinlein ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:39:31 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: beware of biased, unfounded, opinions about homeschooling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dreamtime Village Hypermedia Permaculture EcoVillage in Southwest Wisconsin http://www.dreamtimevillage.org & this was in NYT a few months back. The video has my son speaking =20 about his experiences living here. Into Middle America but Staying on the Fringe By MATT GROSS Published: June 20, 2007 http://travel.nytimes.com/2007/06/20/travel/20frugal.html?pagewanted=3Dall= On Sep 8, 2007, at 2:49 AM, Suzanne Burns wrote: > On 9/7/07, mIEKAL aND wrote: >> >> Bobbi: I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement, but >> homeschooling works for all manner of children & situation, & I >> guarantee you that if one allows a child's inner lifeforce to express >> itself in any way=97intellectual, manual, creative, movement-based or >> even mentored in simple ways=97it can prove to be a valuable option = for >> schooling. Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & >> stay here to be unschooled. One can begin the process at anytime. >> It's a lifelong commitment. > > > :-) And it is also a process which can allow a child who is always =20= > being > told that he is is "not intelligent" to discover the areas where =20 > he in > fact has real gifts or a real passion. Everybody is different, and =20= > not > everybody thrives best in a traditional school setting. > > Keep in mind we also have kids in their 20s who visit & > stay here to be unschooled. > > Where is "here", mIEKAL? > > Suzanne > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:01:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nick Carbo Subject: Jim Brock, Nick Carbo, & Denise Duhamel at Sanibel Writer's Conference Oct 4-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Special guest speaker will be Robert Olen Butler. Exciting Ted dy bears, page Turner books! Beefcake calendars! Elizabethan drama and poetry in the Dew of morning. Very berry good drinks to be enjoyed as you listen to heart-wrenchingly good poems! Come join us for fours days of workshops, panels, presentations, tutorials, and readings to learn writing secrets from famous poets, novelists, memoirists, essayists, and screenplay writers. During your down time, walk miles of white sandy beaches and enjoy Sanibel's spectacular sunsets! Nightly readings, cocktail hours and signings open to the public! Thursday, October 4, 2007 to Sunday, October 7, 2007 Location: BIG ARTS City/Town:Sanibel Island, FL Phone: 239.590.7421 Email: tdemarch@fgcu.edu Description http://www.fgcu.edu/siwc/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- Nick Carbo http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1667164 http://www.cherry-grove.com/carbo.html ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:16:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: The Georgia Review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) EDITOR of The Georgia Review. Applications and nominations are invited for the position of Editor of The Georgia Review. Founded in 1947, The Georgia Review is one of America’s premier journals of arts and letters, publishing some of the best poetry, fiction, and art being created today, along with a rich blend of interdisciplinary essays and book reviews. The Editor reports to the Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs and Provost at the University of Georgia and works with a seven-member faculty editorial board and a group of advisory and contributing editors. The staff consists of six full-time employees and a half-time graduate research assistant. Please visit the The Georgia Review web site at http://www.uga.edu/garev. Applications should include letter, curriculum vita, and a list of at least three professional references. Applications received by October 26, 2007 are assured of full consideration. Email submissions with attachments are preferred. Please send to: executivesearch@uga.edu. In lieu of email submission, written application materials may be directed to: Search Committee, Editor of The Georgia Review, University of Georgia, Human Resources, c/o Executive and Faculty Search Group, 215 S. Jackson Street, Athens, GA 30602. For a complete position description, deadlines, and contact information please visit our website at: http://www.hr.uga.edu/editor-ga-rev.pdf. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:20:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907165814.05694a88@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have heard "diva" used pejoratively, but I don't particularly like that use. I use it positively, for any great female singer, pop to jazz to classical or other, from Joni Mitchell to Denyse Graves to Betty Carter, etc. I might even use it for a great male singer, although I know that would be an unexpected use. My daughter, it appears, is going into either opera or some other form of classical music singing, and I sometimes call her the "diva" of our family, meaning it with some humor (she just turned 18 less than 2 months ago) but also with love & respect. The other thing that comes to mind with "Diva" is the movie with that title. And what I remember most about that movie is the voice, singing. charles At 02:02 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >Diva, usually applied to opera singers, is a term of respect, >something like grande dame--great lady. Beverley Sills was a diva, >and nobody ever accused her of being a prima donna. > >I've never heard diva applied to pop music types, not even >incorrectly. But I'll confess to not being sufficiently interested >in pop music to read the journalism about it. > >Mark > > >At 01:07 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: >>I've seldom heard "diva" used in music journalism to indicate the divine, >>regardless of its origins. It seems more often deployed to insinuate the old >>"hysterical woman" stereotype, synonymous in tone with something like "prima >>donna". It's not explicitly insulting, it's part of a larger structural >>pattern of language from male critics that holds back a measure of artistic >>seriousness from female musicians. At any rate, "siren" might have been a >>better example, implying as it does (even in its literal sense) that the >>singer will lure you into danger with her magical song or some shit like >>that. >> >>Best, >>Brian >> >> >>On 9/6/07, George Bowering wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still >> > > rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words >> > > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name a >> > > few-- >> > >> > Wait, wait wait wait! >> > >> > When did "diva" become a belittling word? >> > Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word "diva") >> > is to insult her? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Geo. H. Bowering >> > Adaptable yet reliable. >> > > charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 650 E. 9th St. Tucson, AZ 85705 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 09:46:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Fwd: Call for Panel Proposals for Split This Rock Poetry Festival - Due December 1 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness invites proposals for panel discussions and workshops on a range of topics at the intersection of poetry and social change. The guidelines are pasted below and will be available for download from the website at www.SplitThisRock.org next week. The deadline is December 1, 2007. Please forward this notice widely and send us your ideas =96 we can't wait to read them. Sarah Browning and the Coordinating Committee of Split This Rock ** Split This Rock Poetry Festival CALL FOR PANEL DISCUSSION PROPOSALS Split This Rock calls poets to a greater role in public life and fosters a national community of activist poets. Building the audience for poetry of provocation and witness from our home in the nation's capital, we celebrate poetic diversity and the transformative power of the imagination. Split This Rock Poetry Festival: Poems of Provocation & Witness March 20-23, 2008, Washington, DC Split This Rock Poetry Festival will bring poets and writers to Washington DC on the fifth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, in the midst of the presidential election. The festival will feature readings, workshops, panel discussions, youth programming, film, activism, and walking tours - opportunities to build community, hone our activist skills, and celebrate the many ways that poetry can act as an agent for social change. To read more about the festival, see our website at: www.SplitThisRock.org. In addition to featured readings by guest poets, Split this Rock invites proposals for panel discussions and workshops on a range of topics at the intersection of poetry and social change. Possibilities are endless. Challenge us. Let's talk about craft, let's talk about mentoring young poets, let's talk about working in prisons, connecting with the activist community, sustaining ourselves in dark times, the role of poetry in wartime. Let's remember great poet activists and discover new, let's think international, visual, collaborative, out of the box. A panel may consist of 3-4 persons, with one person designated as facilitator. Please title your panel and include brief biographical information for each participant, along with a two paragraph description of your panel=97what are the questions you wish to explore=97why is this conversation timely and necessary at this time=97how will this panel further the goals of Split This Rock? How are the members of your panel uniquely qualified to lead a conversation on your proposed topic? We have a strong interest in interactive conversation and community building, so please indicate how you will involve participants in the discussion. Please note that panel presenters must register for Split This Rock Poetry Festival. Some scholarships will be available. There is no limit to the number of proposals you may send, but please be sure that all proposed presenters have agreed to be part of your proposed panel. Also, we are a small, mostly volunteer group, so please send only your favorite ideas. Send proposals in the body of an email to: info@splitthisrock.org by December 1, 2007. Please include full contact information for yourself and all proposed panel presenters. Please use the attached form. Just copy the questions into an email and paste your answers in. Please be sure to save a copy of your proposal, as emails do sometimes go astray. We will acknowledge receipt of your proposal, with a timeline for hearing back. Questions? Email us at info@splitthisrock.org. We look forward to reading your proposal! Split This Rock Poetry Festival PANEL DISCUSSION PROPOSAL FORM PANEL TITLE: Convener/Facilitator Name: Mailing Address: Email Address: Phone: Participant Name: Mailing Address: Email Address: Phone: Participant Name: Mailing Address: Email Address: Phone: Participant Name: Mailing Address: Email Address: Phone: 1. Please include a one paragraph bio for each participant. 2. Please describe in 250 words or less the purpose of your panel. 3. Describe your method for involving festival participants in the panel. ** Support Split This Rock =96 click here to make a secure tax-deductible donation. Be sure to designate Split This Rock as the recipient of your gift. Many thanks! ** Sarah Browning Coordinator Split This Rock Poetry Festival c/o Institute for Policy Studies 1112 16th Street, NW, Suite 600 Washington, DC 20036 browning@splitthisrock.org www.splitthisrock.org http://sarahbrowning.blogspot.com/ 202-787-5210 ________________________________ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Dcpaw mailing list Dcpaw@lists.mutualaid.org http://lists.mutualaid.org/mailman/listinfo/dcpaw free hosting provided by http://www.mutualaid.org/ -- Melissa Tuckey Events Coordinator DC Poets Against the War www.dcpaw.org "Yes, the distance was great between your country and mine. Yet our children played in the path between our houses. We had no quarrel with each other. " --=20 All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:06:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: <846D336ED686FF48943D51955C2C5B230310878D@quicksilver.network.ncf.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Robert, I thought a lot about this. In fact, a poem I wrote in the mid nineties, "Io's Song," is about that. Unlike strictly concrete poetry, where the focus often is visual, sculptural -and not performative- a space can be created on a page where the relationship among words suggest utterances, vectors which can not be verbalized. I call this borderline space silence. Unlike the purely visual, silence belongs to the left side of the spectrum of sound. It is full of, pregnant with sound, a meditative, pre-coital state of verbal performance. As a poet, my last fifteen years have been obsessed with how to transform/project this silence as performance, without losing its element of silence. Ciao, Murat On 9/7/07, Zamsky, Robert wrote: > > I had an interesting conversation with a colleague of mine in our music > department the other day that I thought I would share with the list. He > regularly teaches a class on music-voice-text, and one of the issues he > is interested in is poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance. > As he and I discussed, it seems like such resistance could be > categorized in a number of ways: features of the text that make it > difficult to vocalize (such as working in several languages, unusual > syntax or diction, etc.); features of the text that don't necessarily or > obviously translate into vocalization (although punctuation, lineation, > etc. always work at least partly at the acoustic level, they also often > have other, overriding concerns); and, poetic texts that are engaged > with the visual perhaps almost to the exclusion of the verbal. For this > last, we were talking of course about concrete poetry and other "visual > poetries" -- we spent a lot of time talking about Robert Grenier, for > instance. > > I found the conversation interesting partly because there is so much > interest (on my part, at least), in the acoustic/musical/performance > qualities of poetry, and it was useful to poke at the limit-cases of > that concern. > > I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.... > > Thanks! > > Robert L. Zamsky, PhD > Assistant Professor > New College of Florida > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:15:55 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: <20070907.234906.24131.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bruce, In all this analysis, a binary of choice is established, one abolishing the other. What I am interested in is the simultaneity of these two possibilities. That is what makes this relationship problematic in a very provocative and fertile way. Barthes, in his essay "Loyola," talks about this simultaneity -as the last step in Loyolan meditation- where the reader/meditator has to make a jump (for Loyola into God). Jack Spicer is talking about the same thing in his Vancouver Lectures. Ciao, Murat On 9/8/07, holsapple1@juno.com wrote: > > Apropos Robert Z's interest in texts that deliberately thwart performance, > the research I know indicates that we subvocalize as we read, e.g. Robert > Grenier's "I HATE SPEECH" inadvertently referencing pitch & volume of voice > thru capitolization as icons of emphasis. But reading obviously is visual > as well, & as one develops expertise in reading, one develops visual > pathways to (verbal) memory that supercede auditory pathways, so that > reading often seems silent. Further, printed texts (excluding texts like > Braile) are significantly visual in as much as they squiggle in patterned > ways, b versus d. > > The point would be, Robert's categorization into three "other" > nonperformative types of text seems supported by research. Besides texts > that can be performed, there are texts that are primarily visual. Of those > texts which can be performed, there are texts that deliberately frustrate a > performance & texts that are not especially interesting to perform, because > they focus on nonperformative (albeit auditory) features in a > text. Performance doesn't add much to what a reading achieves. > > Bruce > > Bruce > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 10:24:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: davidbchirot@hotmail.com sent you a link to content of interest In-Reply-To: <17281921.144111189254851102.JavaMail.rsspp@app3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the link. Check out the article about Hannah Arendt. September 07 We Ourselves Are to Blame: Hannah Arendt’s Jewish Writings Zachary Braiterman Reviewed: Hannah Arendt, The Jewish Writings Schocken Books, 2007 In dark times such as our own, a flurry of publications attests to the abiding importance of Hannah Arendt as a great theorist of totalitarianism. Her recently published collection of essays, The Jewish Writings, will also cement her reputation as an unblinking critic of Zionism and the Jewish establishment, and a paragon of cosmopolitanism. Arendt was born in 1906 to an assimilated German Jewish family. She studied philosophy with the famed Martin Heidegger and wrote her dissertation under the direction of Karl Jaspers on the concept of love in the work of Augustine. With the Nazi rise to power, she fled to Paris where she worked with Jewish refugees. She escaped France in 1941 for New York, where she wrote for the weekly Aufbau, an émigré German Jewish paper. After the war, she worked with a number of Jewish organizations, such as Youth Aliyah and Schocken Books, under whose auspices she introduced the writings of her friend Walter Benjamin to English readers. She went on to teach at a number of American universities, including the New School for Social Research, until her death in 1975. Arendt’s most famous works are the Origins of Totalitarianism (1951), The Human Condition (1958), and Eichmann in Jerusalem (1963). Scholars will be happy finally to have in one volume an exhaustive collection of Arendt’s published and unpublished writings on Jews and Jewish politics. These writings cover the entire gamut of 20th Jewish political culture: the German Enlightenment and Emancipation, assimilation and anti-Semitism, and Zionism and the Holocaust. A reader inspired enough to plow through all five hundred pages of the collection will find that Arendt was consistent to the point of repetition. Those who want to read more judiciously might start in the 1940s and 1950s with the articles written for Aufbau. They might then proceed to the justly famous “The Jew as Pariah: A Hidden Tradition,” “Zionism Reconsidered”(an important first salvo against official Zionism), “The Jewish State,” “Peace or Armistice in the Near East,” and Arendt’s response to her critics after the publication of Eichmann in Jerusalem. Reflections by Arendt’s niece Edna Brocke, entitled “Big Hannah,” make for a genuinely touching afterward. A modern icon in her own right, Arendt’s oeuvre provides an ethical-political clarity for our own times, troubled as they are by the September 11th attacks, war in Iraq and Afghanistan, the struggle against terror, and the feeling felt by some of a creeping totalitarianism after years of monolithic Republican rule. The Jewish Writings speaks similarly to a grim contemporary Jewish scene – with no apparent exit from intifada or terrorism, occupation or siege, and new rounds of polemical bloodletting between intrepid critics of Israel and “the Jewish establishment.” The two main themes that animate Arendt’s larger body of work – the centrality of the political, understood as an active human connection focused on public life, and the imperative of individual freedom and responsibility, marked by a strong aversion to mass society and culture – appear also in her Jewish writings. These twinned themes both distinguish and distort her criticism of Zionism from the 1950s and, most controversially, her report on the 1961 Eichmann trial. In the articles written for Aufbau in the 1940s Arendt wrote insistently on the need to conduct the fight against Hitler under the auspices of a Jewish army. She complained bitterly about the British, who opposed the formation of such an army, arguing that, in doing so, the British sought to render the Jews silent and invisible. But she also faulted the Jews for failing to appear as a political entity. Taken together, the Aufbau articles present an early, inchoate formulation of “the space of appearance,” which Arendt later developed in her arguably most important work of political philosophy, The Human Condition. The space of appearance is a conception of the public space where things are allowed to be seen and heard, where “action” takes place in the unpredictable and open-ended public space of politics, and “the social” is denigrated as that ends-driven place of “work,” mediocrity, and conformism. An elitist, Arendt despised passivity on principle. In practice, this principled stance led to results that were often unbalanced, even early in her career as a writer and thinker. In not a few of the Jewish writings penned from the safety of Manhattan, Arendt spoke out against the Jewish instinct for “mere survival.” Death, she opined, “begins [its] reign of terror when life becomes the highest good.” This sentiment against “mere life” and “mere survival” is a curious thread repeating itself throughout the Aufbau articles (which are peppered with statements about the “readiness to kill,” the “readiness to die,” “dying on [one’s] knees” etc.). In her estimation, a Jewish army and armed Jewish resistance in the ghettos were the sole expressions of an active Jewish political will possible at the time. Unlike these heated appeals for a Jewish army, Arendt’s writings on Zionism were more sober overall. On one hand, she was not unimpressed by the Zionists’ willingness to fight. But first and foremost, she opposed “suicidal gestures.” Arendt saw the pre-state Yishuv and then the State of Israel threatened by the Nazi advance across North Africa under Rommel, and later by hostile Arab neighbors, whom the Zionists had done nothing to placate. Herzl was wrong. A Jewish State was vulnerable and could not protect the Jews from anti-Semitism. Against the game of Realpolitik, Arendt therefore opposed any and all attempts to cut deals with imperial powers, be they Turkish or British. Instead, she championed the cause of solidarity with other oppressed peoples, especially Arabs and progressive forces in Europe, in which she still placed great stock. Preoccupied by the problem of anti-Semitism, Arendt’s chief concern was that Zionist politics was isolationist, especially in its rejection of the Diaspora. In failing to create an all-inclusive Jewish organization, including Jews from Europe and the United States, and in failing to stand up for the Diaspora, the Zionists sabotaged their own movement. Instead of a Jewish state, Arendt supported a “homeland” in Palestine as a recognized zone of Jewish settlement, part of the British Commonwealth or some other European federative system. In her view, the only way to defeat anti-Semitism, a nationalist scourge, was by non-nationalist politics. Palestine, we see, was to be a part of Europe. Despite the underlying Eurocentrism of these thoughts, Arendt was an early critic of the inability of mainstream Zionism to see the competing Arab national claim to Palestine. It was on this basis that she objected to the push for a Jewish state at the 1942 Biltmore Conference and to the later proposal to partition Palestine into two separate states, one Jewish and one Arab. Arendt was in a minority, but hardly alone. However, unlike other Zionist critics of partition (Martin Buber, Gershom Scholem, other German Jewish members of the Ichud, as well the leftwing Hashomer Hatzair), Arendt rejected any reconciliation to the fait accompli of 1947-8. It might be said that Arendt was wrong about a lot of things. Was an Arab-Jewish agreement possible in Palestine prior to partition, and if so on what organized basis? Did Herzl lack a political understanding of anti-Semitism? Were the Zionists not right to give up on Europe in the 1920s, 1930s, and 1940s (!)? At this time, were not the Jews surrounded by enemies? Was it the Zionists who broke solidarity with the peoples of Europe and not vice-versa? Was it possible to “combat” anti-Semitism? Did it not make sense to escape from Europe? To what practical purpose should a Jew have stayed to fight at this particular juncture? Did she herself not escape? While it might be true that Arendt was wrong about many things (and for all her antipathy to mainstream Zionism), it is too simple to say that she was an anti-Zionist. In their distress, Arendt never opposed mass immigration of Jews to Palestine, and she always feared the worst for them (and very little, it seems, for the Arabs). For all its collaboration with the British, she rejected the contention that the Zionist settlement itself was a colonialist enterprise. Despite her critique of Labor Zionism, she believed in its human potential. In letters to Carl Jaspers and Mary McCarthy, Arendt was practically ga-ga about Israel’s victory in 1967 and expressed profound concern about the future of the State during the Yom Kippur War. On top of that, she despised the “spurious selflessness” of “Jewish radicals” who “furiously deny the existence of the Jewish people.” Like the poet Heinrich Heine, she was “not deceived by this nonsense of ‘world citizenship,’” which she called “an academic pipedream.” What Arendt understood perhaps better than her critics was that the Jewish people, in the Diaspora or in Israel/Palestine, cannot exist in isolation from each other and from non-Jews. At the fore in The Jewish Writings is stubborn dedication to principle. In the case of Zionism in the 1940s, she stuck to the principle of internationalism despite the failure of internationalism to stand up to the challenges posed by the Holocaust and by Arab opposition to Jewish settlement. Regarding the Holocaust, she upheld the principle of individual responsibility, even if this meant crossing the line to blame the victim. Arendt’s political judgments were always couched as absolute moral judgments. Arendt rejected the sentimental notion that the Jews were innocent victims of history. In her estimation, the identification of the Jews with the absolutist state in the 1700s was an important contributing factor to the formation of modern anti-Semitism; and she always held the Zionists up short for their failure to counter it effectively. In an Aufbau article, she argued against cooperating with the lesser evil. Writing early in the midst of World War II, she insisted that “the best English friends and the best armies in the world will not save us from this fate for which we ourselves are to blame.” The notion that Jews throughout history were historical actors in their own right and not merely victims is now a staple in contemporary Jewish Studies scholarship. But in turning this into a philosophical principle and applying it to the Holocaust, Arendt, we see, began to run up against rough ground. It was Eichmann in Jerusalem that brought upon Arendt’s head the fury of the Jewish community. As a correspondent for New Yorker magazine, Arendt covered the 1961 trial of Adolph Eichmann, who had been captured by the Israeli Mossad in Argentina and brought to stand trial in Jerusalem. In her insightful analysis, Eichmann, who engineered the deportation of the Jews to the ghettos and camps, appears as nothing more sadistically demonic than a bureaucrat beholden to clichés and stock phrases. The book was not about the Holocaust itself as much as it was about the individual and individual conscience and responsibility (hence her hostility to Ben-Gurion whom she accused of organizing a political circus). Arendt now sought to convey “the banality of evil,” reversing her position in The Origins of Totalitarianism affirming the existence of “radical evil,” where she wrote, “an absolute evil appears [absolute because it can no longer be deduced from humanely comprehensible motives].” While the phrase “banality of evil” was a subtle philosophical point little understood by her antagonists (they did not see how the human, non-monstrosity of the person Eichmann made him and his crimes all the more monstrous), her indictment of the Judenräte for co-responsibility in the Nazi genocide was crystal clear. That the leaders of the Jewish Councils cooperated with the Nazis in running the ghettos in Poland and organizing deportations was and remains a fact hard to digest. But Arendt did more than simply state facts, and it was disingenuous of her to suggest that this was all that was at stake in her reportage. More than simply stating facts, Arendt passed on her own normative judgment. In her view, the members of the Jewish Councils were not coerced to cooperate and could have always chosen, if not active resistance, than at least the possibility of doing nothing, of not cooperating (even if the historical record suggests otherwise). --------------------------------- Images: Moscow Diary: Nov 21, near Museum of Contemporary History Of Russia, Katerina, age: 27, height: 5' 6" by Alina and Jeff Bliumis. 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Could it be there is nothing really such as "Jew" or "Nazi" Only people born into certain race/ religion/ creed/ indoctrination/ sentime= ntal vice etc? Could it be that Jews are only humans born as Jews? That all humans are sucked into group mind, greed, fear, jealousy? Could it be if we take away labels we are all stuck in the same gutter? Could it be that the simple act of the Danes to wear the star of David so as= to foil Nazis which amounted merely to limiting=C2=A0and confusing their at= tempts to label, judge, round up and kill particular race/ethnic/group/ reli= gion? "Banality of Evil"------------------------------------------the dullards of=20= the universe who cause such harm/ horrifying harm due to foggy thinking/ suc= ked into ideology? Yes. Let us blame the Jews again. That's what's in vogue now obviously. The=20= Holocaust is being contested and this is never ever mentioned because most p= eople compete for victim group status and sorry but the Jews just aren't "in= " any more.=20 Getting down to basics (Hitler's failed art career) (and forgive this leap)=20= any Jew in Europe would have given Hitler an art exhibition if they knew it=20= would keep him from murdering 6 million of them (along with many other milli= ons and I only do not name their "group affiliations" because I am opposed t= o this in the first place)--and most of them would not even think "them" for= a great number did not even identify with their Jewish heritage. They would= have given him his goddam art show just to keep the maniac happy. No, I did= n't say they were all wonderful Jews. Actually, I'm not even talking about J= ews. I'm talking about people. They were but people who definitely would hav= e given Hitler his art show if that would have helped to discourage his form= ulation of yet more concepts along with the power to leash group mind into a= ction. to support my leap into my own topic of shallowness of group thought, blamin= g, naming, attacking, confirming, annhilating, here's a bit about Hitler's a= rt career: "Adolf Hitler was an artist=E2=80=94a modern artist=E2=80=A6mediocre concept= ual work =E2=80=A6"=20 For this full article by Peter Schjeldahl =C2=A0http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/08/19/020819craw_artworld thanks for listening, bobbi lurie =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: steve russell To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:24 am Subject: Re: davidbchirot@hotmail.com sent you a link to content of interest Thanks for the link. Check out the article about Hannah Arendt.=20 =20 =20 eptember 07 We Ourselves Are to Blame: Hannah Arendt=E2=80=99s Jewish Writ= ings =20 achary Braiterman Reviewed: annah Arendt,=20 he Jewish Writings chocken Books, 2007 In dark times such as our own, a flurry of publications attests to the abi= ding=20 mportance of Hannah Arendt as a great theorist of totalitarianism. Her recen= tly=20 ublished collection of essays, The Jewish Writings, will also cement her=20 eputation as an unblinking critic of Zionism and the Jewish establishment, a= nd=20 paragon of cosmopolitanism. Arendt was born in 1906 to an assimilated German Jewish family. She studied= =20 hilosophy with the famed Martin Heidegger and wrote her dissertation under t= he=20 irection of Karl Jaspers on the concept of love in the work of Augustine. Wi= th=20 he Nazi rise to power, she fled to Paris where she worked with Jewish refuge= es.=20 he escaped France in 1941 for New York, where she wrote for the weekly Aufba= u,=20 n =C3=A9migr=C3=A9 German Jewish paper. After the war, she worked with a num= ber of Jewish=20 rganizations, such as Youth Aliyah and Schocken Books, under whose auspices=20= she=20 ntroduced the writings of her friend Walter Benjamin to English readers. She= =20 ent on to teach at a number of American universities, including the New Scho= ol=20 or Social Research, until her death in 1975. Arendt=E2=80=99s most famous wo= rks are the=20 rigins of Totalitarianism (1951), The Human Condition (1958), and Eichmann i= n=20 erusalem (1963).=20 Scholars will be happy finally to have in one volume an exhaustive collecti= on=20 f Arendt=E2=80=99s published and unpublished writings on Jews and Jewish pol= itics.=20 hese writings cover the entire gamut of 20th Jewish political culture: the=20 erman Enlightenment and Emancipation, assimilation and anti-Semitism, and=20 ionism and the Holocaust. A reader inspired enough to plow through all five=20 undred pages of the collection will find that Arendt was consistent to the=20 oint of repetition. Those who want to read more judiciously might start in the 1940s and 1950s=20 ith the articles written for Aufbau. They might then proceed to the justly=20 amous =E2=80=9CThe Jew as Pariah: A Hidden Tradition,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CZion= ism Reconsidered=E2=80=9D(an=20 mportant first salvo against official Zionism), =E2=80=9CThe Jewish State,= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CPeace or=20 rmistice in the Near East,=E2=80=9D and Arendt=E2=80=99s response to her cri= tics after the=20 ublication of Eichmann in Jerusalem. Reflections by Arendt=E2=80=99s niece E= dna Brocke,=20 ntitled =E2=80=9CBig Hannah,=E2=80=9D make for a genuinely touching afterwar= d.=20 A modern icon in her own right, Arendt=E2=80=99s oeuvre provides an ethical= -political=20 larity for our own times, troubled as they are by the September 11th attacks= ,=20 ar in Iraq and Afghanistan, the struggle against terror, and the feeling fel= t=20 y some of a creeping totalitarianism after years of monolithic Republican ru= le.=20 he Jewish Writings speaks similarly to a grim contemporary Jewish scene =E2= =80=93 with=20 o apparent exit from intifada or terrorism, occupation or siege, and new rou= nds=20 f polemical bloodletting between intrepid critics of Israel and =E2=80=9Cthe= Jewish=20 stablishment.=E2=80=9D=20 The two main themes that animate Arendt=E2=80=99s larger body of work =E2= =80=93 the centrality=20 f the political, understood as an active human connection focused on public=20 ife, and the imperative of individual freedom and responsibility, marked by=20= a=20 trong aversion to mass society and culture =E2=80=93 appear also in her Jewi= sh=20 ritings. These twinned themes both distinguish and distort her criticism of=20 ionism from the 1950s and, most controversially, her report on the 1961=20 ichmann trial. In the articles written for Aufbau in the 1940s Arendt wrote insistently on= =20 he need to conduct the fight against Hitler under the auspices of a Jewish=20 rmy. She complained bitterly about the British, who opposed the formation of= =20 uch an army, arguing that, in doing so, the British sought to render the Jew= s=20 ilent and invisible. But she also faulted the Jews for failing to appear as=20= a=20 olitical entity. Taken together, the Aufbau articles present an early, incho= ate=20 ormulation of =E2=80=9Cthe space of appearance,=E2=80=9D which Arendt later=20= developed in her=20 rguably most important work of political philosophy, The Human Condition. Th= e=20 pace of appearance is a conception of the public space where things are allo= wed=20 o be seen and heard, where =E2=80=9Caction=E2=80=9D takes place in the unpre= dictable and=20 pen-ended public space of politics, and =E2=80=9Cthe social=E2=80=9D is deni= grated as that=20 nds-driven place of =E2=80=9Cwork,=E2=80=9D mediocrity, and conformism.=20 An elitist, Arendt despised passivity on principle. In practice, this=20 rincipled stance led to results that were often unbalanced, even early in he= r=20 areer as a writer and thinker. In not a few of the Jewish writings penned fr= om=20 he safety of Manhattan, Arendt spoke out against the Jewish instinct for=20= =E2=80=9Cmere=20 urvival.=E2=80=9D Death, she opined, =E2=80=9Cbegins [its] reign of terror w= hen life becomes=20 he highest good.=E2=80=9D This sentiment against =E2=80=9Cmere life=E2=80= =9D and =E2=80=9Cmere survival=E2=80=9D is a=20 urious thread repeating itself throughout the Aufbau articles (which are=20 eppered with statements about the =E2=80=9Creadiness to kill,=E2=80=9D the=20= =E2=80=9Creadiness to die,=E2=80=9D=20 dying on [one=E2=80=99s] knees=E2=80=9D etc.). In her estimation, a Jewish a= rmy and armed=20 ewish resistance in the ghettos were the sole expressions of an active Jewis= h=20 olitical will possible at the time. Unlike these heated appeals for a Jewish army, Arendt=E2=80=99s writings on= Zionism=20 ere more sober overall. On one hand, she was not unimpressed by the Zionists= =E2=80=99=20 illingness to fight. But first and foremost, she opposed =E2=80=9Csuicidal g= estures.=E2=80=9D=20 rendt saw the pre-state Yishuv and then the State of Israel threatened by th= e=20 azi advance across North Africa under Rommel, and later by hostile Arab=20 eighbors, whom the Zionists had done nothing to placate. Herzl was wrong. A=20 ewish State was vulnerable and could not protect the Jews from anti-Semitism= .=20 gainst the game of Realpolitik, Arendt therefore opposed any and all attempt= s=20 o cut deals with imperial powers, be they Turkish or British. Instead, she=20 hampioned the cause of solidarity with other oppressed peoples, especially=20 rabs and progressive forces in Europe, in which she still placed great stock= .=20 Preoccupied by the problem of anti-Semitism, Arendt=E2=80=99s chief concern= was that=20 ionist politics was isolationist, especially in its rejection of the Diaspor= a.=20 n failing to create an all-inclusive Jewish organization, including Jews fro= m=20 urope and the United States, and in failing to stand up for the Diaspora, th= e=20 ionists sabotaged their own movement. Instead of a Jewish state, Arendt=20 upported a =E2=80=9Chomeland=E2=80=9D in Palestine as a recognized zone of J= ewish settlement,=20 art of the British Commonwealth or some other European federative system. In= =20 er view, the only way to defeat anti-Semitism, a nationalist scourge, was by= =20 on-nationalist politics. Palestine, we see, was to be a part of Europe.=20 Despite the underlying Eurocentrism of these thoughts, Arendt was an early=20 ritic of the inability of mainstream Zionism to see the competing Arab natio= nal=20 laim to Palestine. It was on this basis that she objected to the push for a=20 ewish state at the 1942 Biltmore Conference and to the later proposal to=20 artition Palestine into two separate states, one Jewish and one Arab. Arendt= =20 as in a minority, but hardly alone. However, unlike other Zionist critics of= =20 artition (Martin Buber, Gershom Scholem, other German Jewish members of the=20 chud, as well the leftwing Hashomer Hatzair), Arendt rejected any=20 econciliation to the fait accompli of 1947-8.=20 It might be said that Arendt was wrong about a lot of things. Was an=20 rab-Jewish agreement possible in Palestine prior to partition, and if so on=20 hat organized basis? Did Herzl lack a political understanding of anti-Semiti= sm?=20 ere the Zionists not right to give up on Europe in the 1920s, 1930s, and 194= 0s=20 !)? At this time, were not the Jews surrounded by enemies? Was it the Zionis= ts=20 ho broke solidarity with the peoples of Europe and not vice-versa? Was it=20 ossible to =E2=80=9Ccombat=E2=80=9D anti-Semitism? Did it not make sense to=20= escape from Europe?=20 o what practical purpose should a Jew have stayed to fight at this particula= r=20 uncture? Did she herself not escape?=20 While it might be true that Arendt was wrong about many things (and for all= =20 er antipathy to mainstream Zionism), it is too simple to say that she was an= =20 nti-Zionist. In their distress, Arendt never opposed mass immigration of Jew= s=20 o Palestine, and she always feared the worst for them (and very little, it=20 eems, for the Arabs). For all its collaboration with the British, she reject= ed=20 he contention that the Zionist settlement itself was a colonialist enterpris= e.=20 espite her critique of Labor Zionism, she believed in its human potential. I= n=20 etters to Carl Jaspers and Mary McCarthy, Arendt was practically ga-ga about= =20 srael=E2=80=99s victory in 1967 and expressed profound concern about the fut= ure of the=20 tate during the Yom Kippur War. On top of that, she despised the =E2=80=9Csp= urious=20 elflessness=E2=80=9D of =E2=80=9CJewish radicals=E2=80=9D who =E2=80=9Cfurio= usly deny the existence of the=20 ewish people.=E2=80=9D Like the poet Heinrich Heine, she was =E2=80=9Cnot de= ceived by this=20 onsense of =E2=80=98world citizenship,=E2=80=99=E2=80=9D which she called =E2=80=9Can academic pipedream.=E2=80=9D What Arendt understood perhaps bett= er than her critics=20 as that the Jewish people, in the Diaspora or in Israel/Palestine, cannot ex= ist=20 n isolation from each other and from non-Jews. At the fore in The Jewish Writings is stubborn dedication to principle. In=20= the=20 ase of Zionism in the 1940s, she stuck to the principle of internationalism=20 espite the failure of internationalism to stand up to the challenges posed b= y=20 he Holocaust and by Arab opposition to Jewish settlement. Regarding the=20 olocaust, she upheld the principle of individual responsibility, even if thi= s=20 eant crossing the line to blame the victim. Arendt=E2=80=99s political judgm= ents were=20 lways couched as absolute moral judgments. Arendt rejected the sentimental notion that the Jews were innocent victims=20= of=20 istory. In her estimation, the identification of the Jews with the absolutis= t=20 tate in the 1700s was an important contributing factor to the formation of=20 odern anti-Semitism; and she always held the Zionists up short for their=20 ailure to counter it effectively. In an Aufbau article, she argued against=20 ooperating with the lesser evil. Writing early in the midst of World War II,= =20 he insisted that =E2=80=9Cthe best English friends and the best armies in th= e world=20 ill not save us from this fate for which we ourselves are to blame.=E2=80= =9D The notion=20 hat Jews throughout history were historical actors in their own right and no= t=20 erely victims is now a staple in contemporary Jewish Studies scholarship. Bu= t=20 n turning this into a philosophical principle and applying it to the Holocau= st,=20 rendt, we see, began to run up against rough ground.=20 It was Eichmann in Jerusalem that brought upon Arendt=E2=80=99s head the fu= ry of the=20 ewish community. As a correspondent for New Yorker magazine, Arendt covered=20= the=20 961 trial of Adolph Eichmann, who had been captured by the Israeli Mossad in= =20 rgentina and brought to stand trial in Jerusalem. In her insightful analysis= ,=20 ichmann, who engineered the deportation of the Jews to the ghettos and camps= ,=20 ppears as nothing more sadistically demonic than a bureaucrat beholden to=20 lich=C3=A9s and stock phrases. The book was not about the Holocaust itself a= s much=20 s it was about the individual and individual conscience and responsibility=20 hence her hostility to Ben-Gurion whom she accused of organizing a political= =20 ircus). Arendt now sought to convey =E2=80=9Cthe banality of evil,=E2=80=9D=20= reversing her=20 osition in The Origins of Totalitarianism affirming the existence of =E2=80= =9Cradical=20 vil,=E2=80=9D where she wrote, =E2=80=9Can absolute evil appears [absolute b= ecause it can no=20 onger be deduced from humanely comprehensible motives].=E2=80=9D=20 While the phrase =E2=80=9Cbanality of evil=E2=80=9D was a subtle philosophi= cal point little=20 nderstood by her antagonists (they did not see how the human, non-monstrosit= y=20 f the person Eichmann made him and his crimes all the more monstrous), her=20 ndictment of the Judenr=C3=A4te for co-responsibility in the Nazi genocide w= as=20 rystal clear. That the leaders of the Jewish Councils cooperated with the Na= zis=20 n running the ghettos in Poland and organizing deportations was and remains=20= a=20 act hard to digest. But Arendt did more than simply state facts, and it was=20 isingenuous of her to suggest that this was all that was at stake in her=20 eportage. More than simply stating facts, Arendt passed on her own normative= =20 udgment. In her view, the members of the Jewish Councils were not coerced to= =20 ooperate and could have always chosen, if not active resistance, than at lea= st=20 he possibility of doing nothing, of not cooperating (even if the historical=20 ecord suggests otherwise).=20 =20 -------------------------------- Images: Moscow Diary: Nov 21, near Museum of Contemporary History Of Russ= ia,=20 aterina, age: 27, height: 5' 6" by Alina and Jeff Bliumis. 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You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:02:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carol Novack Subject: October 5th Mad Hatters' Review Reading MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Mad Hatters' Review www.madhattersreview.com *Edgy & Enlightened Literature, Art & Music in the Age of Dementia* Poetry, Prose & Anything Goes Reading Series *Curated & Pickled by Publisher/Editor Carol Novack* *8th Reading Friday, October 5, 2007, 7 =96 9 pm KGB Bar, 85 East 4th Street, N.Y.C.* Featuring Ira Cohen Editor, filmmaker, photographer, and poet, "electric multimedia shaman" Ira Cohen was born in 1935. The child of deaf parents, he learned t= o spell on his fingers at the age of one. Cohen is the founder of numerous ground-breaking movements and reviews such as the Akashic Record, the Starstreams Poetry Series (Kathmandu), and the Universal Mutant Repertory Company, and has worked as contributing editor of many publications. Selected volumes of his poetry, prose poems, audio and CD recordings of his performances with collaborators including William Burroughs, have been published in the US and abroad. Cohen's portrait photographs have been exhibited widely and appeared as covers in Life Magazine and other magazines. Among his film and video productions are The Invasion of Thunderbolt Pagoda (1968) screened at the Whitney Museum in 1999. In 2006, he was a featured reader at the Whitney Biennial. See Wikipediaand do the google for additional details and links. Lynda Schor's latest story collections are The Body Parts Shop (FC2) and Adventures In Capitalism (Unicorn Press). She has won many grants and prizes, including an O'Henry nomination, and two Maryland State Council grants for fiction. She is the fiction editor of the online literary magazine, Salt River Review , and she teaches at The New School. Lynda was the featured writer in issue 7 of Mad Hatters' Review . Stephanie Strickland is a print and new media poet. Her book of poems, Zone= : Zero, is forthcoming in 2008. A double book of poems, V: WaveSon.nets/Losin= g L'una, has a web component vniverse . V was awarded the Di Castagnola Prize by Brenda Hillman and True North was chosen for that award by Barbara Guest. Her current manuscript is "Huracan's Harp,= " from which the poems here are taken. Her latest collaborative hypermedia work, slipping glimpse , was first shown at E-Poetry 2007 in Paris. 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MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION HERE: https://www.fracturedatlas.org/site/contribute/donate/580 http://carolnovack.blogspot.com/ My NEW CD: INVENTIONS I: Fictions, Fusions & Poems is available for purchas= e via: http://www.madhatthttersreview.com/cds_dvds/inventions1.html Review & Interview: http://www.outsiderwriters.org/content/view/319/1/ http://www.myspace.com/madhattercarollers http://www.myspace.com/madhattersreview ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:26:21 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: North-5 Text-5- completing the project MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is #25 of 25 texts. http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/North-5/text-5.htm It's been almost two years since I began "The Way North."=20 I want to thank all of you for receiving, and even maybe taking time to = consider, this work. For those of you who want to look at it at your leisure from the = beginning: http://web.pdx.edu/~pdx00282/North/Intro.htm Notes:=20 Designed for screen resolution: 1024x768; Text size: Medium; Monitor: = 17" or larger; Browser: MS Explorer preferred. (Checked for Foxfire, but a few design = changes are usually found.)=20 Paratext boxes are opened by holding cursor over words. Speakers on. -Joel ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 03:56:03 GMT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "holsapple1@juno.com" Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you're right, Murat, that I premised my analysis of the subject = as one involving choices, & I probably did that because I built off the = phrase, quote poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance, thinkin= g of such texts as a particular kind & of that resistance as deliberatel= y constructed. Neither need be the case. Further, I agree that there's= no need of setting the visual & verbal aspects into opposition, such th= at choosing one abolishes the other. That wasn't my intent. Reading af= ter all involves both visual & verbal processing, & it's the relation be= tween the two that I was thinking about. But are you saying that relati= on (between the visual & verbal) in a poetic text is after all a problem= for performance? In all cases? This would seem closer to what Vernon = is talking of. Perhaps we can clarify how a text resists "vocalization/= performance." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 02:01:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: Brass trope dream MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Brass trope dream - Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:16:03 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Voice and Performance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The voice has to become a hand sorting among the fragments...Also an instrument breaking down and rebuilding itself in the presence of the unsay-able...also a feast borne on the breath in the presence of famine...the voice must also become a recuperative force in the sick room of the spavined text. I attempt this with the aural reconstructions of Man's Wows (available on-line) with the result in my beaten-up voice at Penn Sound. Other experiments at UBU-web and most recently www.Lichtensteiger.de. Fuck silence. Jess ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 04:22:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: of utmost beauty MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed of utmost beauty radiolaria http://www.asondheim.org/radiolaria.gif what i want to do in a future exhibition installation show http://www.asondheim.org/tibetcym0.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/tibetcym1.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/tibetcym1b.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/tibetcym2.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/tibetcym3.mp3 after the onset enlightenment tone on a pair of large Tibetan cymbals breathing out as continuing into the metallic fiber of the planet these are works i've wanted to do for a long long time wanting is always a removal molecular atomic structures and consorts traveling across metallic plains of unknown metals these plains of unknown sounds beyond or beneath sounds these plains shuddering in very low frequency radio couplings if one so desires traveling metals and universes through universes these universes momentarily harden and vibrate imperfect harmonies or perhaps harmonies perfect in discordance harmonies after enlightenment who could doubt the breathing of metal or water breathing of fire or air who could doubt breathing of this or that area or the breathing of those shallows or hills or sides of hills the breathing of those areas of sloping hills those areas somewhere among the shallows or those breathings in concordance discordance nothing setting into motion, no things motioning, nothing beckoning i've wanted to do these for a long time, i prepared carefully i prepared carefully, i did them, i don't want to do them any more ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:28:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: I love poetry. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Poets, another story. Born too soon, they are. They think, even now, that there is any difference from their work being edited to being rejected. Jesse Crockett Now developing listenlight.net (a poetry journal) in the Ruby on Rails platform, & accepting all submissions without visible file extensions (excluding the pdf, for which there is Open Office.) http://denacht.blogspot.com (come see me prizefight facebook!) ___________ ~~What's old stays old. What's new gets old fast.~~ -- anonymous ~~I'm not your magazine.~~ -- R.E.M. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:11:03 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: Grand Piano updates Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Note on the publication schedule of The Grand Piano, part 4: due to a printing error, the volume has been recalled and will reship in late September. We apologize to our readers and subscribers. Stay tuned for more. Also, there is now as complete a list as possible of reviews and comments on the project at: http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post34.html#links as well as an archive-in-process at our website: http://www.thegrandpiano.org Barrett Watten ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:30:53 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Euripides' Hipplytos by Jon Corelis on the Poets' Corner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline From Jon Corelis: Dear Friends: This email is to announce the completion and availability of my new performance version in English of Euripides' Hippolytos. This version is innovative in a number of ways. Unlike most modern versions of Greek plays, which tend to be either fairly literal reading versions done by scholars or more creative performance versions done by poets or playwrights, this is a version in verse created for performance, by someone who is thoroughly familiar with the original as a properly credentialed classicist, but who is also an internationally published poet. (My web site, listed at the end of this email, gives a summary of this background.) My script's relation to Euripides' Greek text ranges from almost word for word translation in some parts to very free recasting in others, and it employs various levels of diction, some of which satisfy and others of which deliberately thwart a modern audience's expectations of how people in a Greek tragedy should talk. Another innovation, which I believe is original with this version, is that the choruses are in verse to be set to music taken from medieval secular songs. The current script only gives the names of these songs (since I can't write musical notation myself), but these melodies are all standard parts of the early music repertory and are available on CD, as computerized files on the internet, or in scores in scholarly music works or from specialist publishers. I can refer prospective performers to these sources; eventually as a result of working with a performance group I hope to find someone who will be able to write musical annotation which I can include with my text. I'd be glad to hear from any drama group, whether professional, semi-professional, amateur, or academic, who would like to perform this new version. (I'd only expect royalties if it were produced by a troupe in a position to pay them; I'd willingly give permission gratis for performance by an amateur or academic group that didn't charge admission or charged it only to cover expenses.) Interested parties can contact me by any of the means indicated in the signature below. The script is being housed on the internet on the Italian cultural web site Fieralingue, which may most easily be accessed with the URL: http://tinyurl.com/3cqhxk (click on the Euripides' Hippolytos link for the .pdf file). There's also a link to it on my web site. Alternatively, I'd be glad to send the script to interested persons via email as a .pdf or as a MS-WORD .doc file, or via post in hard copy or on a data CD. I'd be most grateful if you'd forward this email to anyone you think might be interested in it. Thanks for reading this. Yours truly, Jon Corelis =================================== Jon Corelis 517 S. State St. Appleton WI 54911 USA tel 920-277-7101 jonc@stanfordalumni.org www.geocities.com/joncpoetics ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:41:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Howe Subject: Re: Are young female poets still behaving thusly ... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907165814.05694a88@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > "But I'll confess to not being sufficiently interested in > pop music to read the journalism about it." > > well, that would explain why you've never heard "diva" used with subtle > derision, huh? pop music and the discourse around it are wracked by built-in > irony; in this sphere-- just as in neo-con discourse-- many phrases abandon > their classical origins and come to mean something more ambiguous, if not > entirely opposite. best brian At 01:07 PM 9/7/2007, you wrote: > >I've seldom heard "diva" used in music journalism to indicate the divine, > >regardless of its origins. It seems more often deployed to insinuate the > old > >"hysterical woman" stereotype, synonymous in tone with something like > "prima > >donna". It's not explicitly insulting, it's part of a larger structural > >pattern of language from male critics that holds back a measure of > artistic > >seriousness from female musicians. At any rate, "siren" might have been a > >better example, implying as it does (even in its literal sense) that the > >singer will lure you into danger with her magical song or some shit like > >that. > > > >Best, > >Brian > > > > > >On 9/6/07, George Bowering wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brian Howe wrote: This problem is still > > > > rampant in music criticism, it's built into the words > > > > some male critics use-- songbird, songstress, and diva, just to name > a > > > > few-- > > > > > > Wait, wait wait wait! > > > > > > When did "diva" become a belittling word? > > > Does that mean that to call someone "divine" (source of the word > "diva") > > > is to insult her? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Geo. H. Bowering > > > Adaptable yet reliable. > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:00:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Russo, Linda V." Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rob! & others... =20 re text as a site of difficulty, wherein difficulty is in fact be the vocalization/performance, I'd bring the visual poetry of=20 Mike Basinski into the mix, as an example of poetry that, I dunno, feigns resitance? i.e. a Basinski performance engages the signifier as a radically open site; he treats reading even his own works as an act of interpretation & vocalizes the difficulties and possibilities a text "yields." He reads the texts as though he hasn't written them. The result is, you might say, the difficulty of vocalization. I assume the Grenier you have in mind are the "scrawl" poems; I wouldn't exclude their engagement of the verbal - recalling the seeming glee that Grenier exuded when he asked his audience to read these poems aloud (this was at Buffalo 8 years ago or so?). While for Grenier these may be visual poems, they foreground the act of verbal interpretation for the reader. Although one might stare at them mutely and that would be ok too. =20 I've been thinking about performance & difficulty lately because of a = student of mine, who's got a great sense of poetry, a junior who's writing fantastic poems, and is very intersted in performance, too (she writes multi-vocal performance pieces). She's got a stutter, and I've been wanting to account for that = as part of her poetic material - without pathologizing it - how might she incorporate an = awareness of that, rather than glaze over it? I haven't been sure how to broach = this with her.=20 The only analogue I could come up with so far is Aaron Williamson - but = I don't think she's interested in performing stutter or anything like that. Any = ideas? =20 By the say, there's an excellent essay on Basinski's work by Ric Royer that you might want to check out; = it's in a new zine edited by Justin Kato (a student of Bill Howe's & cris = cheek's at Miami University Ohio) - the zine's at my office right now but I'll get you the reference if you're interested. It's a special performance issue. =20 Linda =20 On 9/7/07, Zamsky, Robert <,rzamsky@ncf.edu> wrote: > > I had an interesting conversation with a colleague of mine in our = music > department the other day that I thought I would share with the list. = He > regularly teaches a class on music-voice-text, and one of the issues = he > is interested in is poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance. > As he and I discussed, it seems like such resistance could be > categorized in a number of ways: features of the text that make it > difficult to vocalize (such as working in several languages, unusual > syntax or diction, etc.); features of the text that don't necessarily = or > obviously translate into vocalization (although punctuation, = lineation, > etc. always work at least partly at the acoustic level, they also = often > have other, overriding concerns); and, poetic texts that are engaged > with the visual perhaps almost to the exclusion of the verbal. For = this > last, we were talking of course about concrete poetry and other = "visual > poetries" -- we spent a lot of time talking about Robert Grenier, for > instance. > > I found the conversation interesting partly because there is so much > interest (on my part, at least), in the acoustic/musical/performance > qualities of poetry, and it was useful to poke at the limit-cases of > that concern. > > I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.... > > Thanks! > > Robert L. Zamsky, PhD > Assistant Professor > New College of Florida > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:15:55 -0400 From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Bruce, In all this analysis, a binary of choice is established, one abolishing = the other. What I am interested in is the simultaneity of these two possibilities. That is what makes this relationship problematic in a = very provocative and fertile way. Barthes, in his essay "Loyola," talks about this simultaneity -as the last step in Loyolan meditation- where the reader/meditator has to make a jump (for Loyola into God). Jack Spicer = is talking about the same thing in his Vancouver Lectures. Ciao, Murat On 9/8/07, holsapple1@juno.com wrote: > > Apropos Robert Z's interest in texts that deliberately thwart = performance, > the research I know indicates that we subvocalize as we read, e.g. = Robert > Grenier's "I HATE SPEECH" inadvertently referencing pitch & volume of = voice > thru capitolization as icons of emphasis. But reading obviously is = visual > as well, & as one develops expertise in reading, one develops visual > pathways to (verbal) memory that supercede auditory pathways, so that > reading often seems silent. Further, printed texts (excluding texts = like > Braile) are significantly visual in as much as they squiggle in = patterned > ways, b versus d. > > The point would be, Robert's categorization into three "other" > nonperformative types of text seems supported by research. Besides = texts > that can be performed, there are texts that are primarily visual. Of = those > texts which can be performed, there are texts that deliberately = frustrate a > performance & texts that are not especially interesting to perform, = because > they focus on nonperformative (albeit auditory) features in a > text. Performance doesn't add much to what a reading achieves. > > Bruce > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:17:04 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: tec. help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List Folks, =20 Would someone point me to a website where one enters text and receives a li= st of the number of appearances of each word? I remember someone posting a = link to a site like this about five or six years ago on the list, but I can= 't find it anymore. If there's no longer such a thing, does any one know ho= w to get a comprehensive list from Word itself? =20 Thanks, Noah =20 _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou= r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=3DSeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:19:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: <20070908.215603.28340.0@webmail15.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bruce I don't view visual, textual and musical elements as necessarily being in opposition to one another. Each has its unique strengths and weaknesses. The problem is how to make the elements work together. In some cases, they dovetail. In others, they clash. The question, for me, personally, is how to make them fit in ways that enhance the work. Sometimes the dovetail works best, sometimes the clash. And there are many combinations in between. Some works may be difficult to perform because their creators never intended them as performance pieces. In this case, the relation of visual and verbal material would appear most effectively on the page. Speaking personally, as my works increasingly incorporate visual elements, I think less frequently of them as performance pieces. But my musical background makes me very aware of the musicality of the language I employ, whether I intend to perform the piece or not. Not all pieces can be performed. Sometimes one component will cancel the other out in performance, while they hold up perfectly well on the page. While reading, reciting or performing a poem might give it an extra boost of energy, it might also limit the full realization of pieces with varied fonts or parenthetical comments because the voice alone can't convey the nuances in the material on the page. Vernon http://vernonfrazer.com -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of holsapple1@juno.com Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 11:56 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry I think you're right, Murat, that I premised my analysis of the subject as one involving choices, & I probably did that because I built off the phrase, quote poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance, thinking of such texts as a particular kind & of that resistance as deliberately constructed. Neither need be the case. Further, I agree that there's no need of setting the visual & verbal aspects into opposition, such that choosing one abolishes the other. That wasn't my intent. Reading after all involves both visual & verbal processing, & it's the relation between the two that I was thinking about. But are you saying that relation (between the visual & verbal) in a poetic text is after all a problem for performance? In all cases? This would seem closer to what Vernon is talking of. Perhaps we can clarify how a text resists "vocalization/performance." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:25:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tend to think of Performance as an economy I must submit to to support the work I want to do. I'm used to framing my performance of alternative writing in the conservative & mainstream venues available in my area in order to soften the reception. The work I perform--(various liminal, procedural, a computer-assisted compositions)--I think of as undermining Voice as that glamour commodity, that jewel I'm supposed to horde as my creative writing Precious. I don't think my situation is unique. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:00:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: <20070908.215603.28340.0@webmail15.dca.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Bruce, Placement of words on a page create all sorts of directional (and sequential) vectors. The most traditional and obvious of them is the line formation where one starts (in English at least) from left to right. In suc= h a structures the reader knows what word follows what; therefore the tempora= l sequence is fixed. The varieties, flexibilities may occur on the pattern of stressing certain words or the cadences among them, and also on the relationship, which can be complex, of the line breaks to the horizontal momentum of the line. This strict notational structure gives us performance as traditionally one understands it. If one begins to move words, centrifugally, away from this horizontal structure, the certainty of this temporal sequencing becomes unstable. The "reader/eye" can still see relationship among words, but the vectors are multiple and often oppose each other. The reader must enter this space, to some extent be frozen by this multiplicity, and make a choice of a specific kind. This transforms the very idea of reading (both empowering and paralyzing the reader) and creates a crisis of performance. Since, in my view, such a verbal space maintains power to the extent that words retain tangential relationships which arc across the "silent," empty space, the poem becomes a tenuous (in that instability mystical) balance between chaos (Poe's forces of rejection among objects in Eureka) and unity= . The reader (also the poem and the poet) focusing on that razor's edge is going through a process quite similar to the last (10th?) step in the Loyolan meditation. How can or may a reading starting in the non-linear motions of the eye be performed verbally, that is to say, in real time. That is the crisis in performance. I can have a few tentative answers. First, in such a performance the utterance can only be a fragment (or a verbal gesture). The performance progressing from fragment to fragment, in that way recreating the space/silence between the fragments in real time. The instantaneity of perception and the continuity of silence (of the unsaid) is unified. Second, a given performance is unrepeatable. Since the relationship among words is, must be unstable, potentially vectored in multiple ways, the reader/performer each time must repeat the choice, following a different path. It is this neutrality (what Barthes calls the absolute balance in the equality of choice) which constitutes the crisis in performance, forcing on= e to envision performance in a completely new way. It makes such a visual poe= m a great tool for poetic exploration. I was at Vernon's reading from "Improvizations" at The Poetry Project a few years ago. My problem with it was that the shape of the performance was pre-set, in no way reflection the sense of crisis I am talking about. They remained "improvisations" in an abstract sense. For instance, if I remember correctly, he had different people performing simultaneously columns of texts appeared next to each other in the page. To me such a method short circuits the element of crisis by eliminating the choice. In "Io's Song" also, I have a number of poems, particularly "Baha-Mas in th= e Berkshires," where two columns run down simultaneously on the page. The reader must constantly shift his or her eye from one to the other =96being able to stop at one only a moment- because two different, conflicting perceptions are simultaneously developed (one Ahab on his boat and the othe= r Melville in his room on his farm writing the novel). Splitting this performance into two readers to me is unimaginable. I gave two performances from Io's Song just when I wrote the poem in the 1990's. One was at the Poetry Project where the majority of the audience (m= y fans you might say) thought I had gone insane. The other was a recording of some of the poems for CD-Rom issue of visual poetry which The Little Magazine of University of Albany, edited by Chris Funkhauser and Belle Gironde, which came out about the same time. These performances, which are recorded, are full of hesitations, stutters of sounds, zigzagging verbal riffs, false starts which, for that single moment, satisfactorily reproduce for me, in performance, the texture of (including its space), one possibility in, the visual text. About two years later, after the publication of "A Blind Cat Black and Orthodoxies," I tried to read at the Sun and Moon space in Los Angeles a fe= w pieces from "Io's Song." To my shock I found I couldn't. I could not penetrate the space of the poems. It is at that reading I realized the resistance, the pull towards silence, towards not to be performed, Io's Son= g =96and a poem like it- possess. In 2002 (?), during the writing of Eda, I g= ave a reading in San Francisco. I was solo, and Steve Dickison asked me to perform up to two hours. I was running a fever that day. In my second hour, I entered a mental space and read aloud Baha-Mas in the Berkshires, to my satisfaction. It is my only performance of the poem and is recorded. (I tal= k about "resistance" in a specific kind of surface in my recent review of Bil= l Berkson's Sudden Address). Since that "failed" performance at the Sun and Moon space, and my realization of crisis, fragments from Io Song suddenly appear in the middle of something I am writing, finding a place, a new life there. For instance, in the Eda Anthology, the translation of k. Iskender's "souljam" ("canguncem") contains two fragments from "Io's Song" which enter the space of Iskender's poem. In the same book, the section belonging to the poet Seyhan Eroz=E7elik starts with a sketch (by the poet) of the multiple meani= ngs of a Turkish neologism, "d=FCstanbul," contrasted in the opposite page by = a single performance of that sketch (its space) in English. "Io's Song" was written simultaneously while I was writing "The Peripheral Space of Photography" (Green Integer Press). The Peripheral Space ends with a poem from Io's Song, "Formula for Organic Substances," which tries to recreate what the photographer Man Ray does in his Rayographs. (I hope the internet does not distort the shape of the arrangement of words on the page.) Formula for Organic Substances im ding words sin p l o p l o tax ex ding dong a trophy - alas! - entrophy sunday in Claus trophobia S a n t a Pyhrric heart Ciao, Murat On 9/8/07, holsapple1@juno.com wrote: > > I think you're right, Murat, that I premised my analysis of the subject a= s > one involving choices, & I probably did that because I built off the phra= se, > quote poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance, thinking of such > texts as a particular kind & of that resistance as deliberately > constructed. Neither need be the case. Further, I agree that there's no > need of setting the visual & verbal aspects into opposition, such that > choosing one abolishes the other. That wasn't my intent. Reading after = all > involves both visual & verbal processing, & it's the relation between the > two that I was thinking about. But are you saying that relation (between > the visual & verbal) in a poetic text is after all a problem for > performance? In all cases? This would seem closer to what Vernon is > talking of. Perhaps we can clarify how a text resists > "vocalization/performance." > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:26:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: Call for Panels, Papers, & Readings MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CALL FOR PANELS AND PAPERS 31st Annual New Jersey College English Association Conference Saturday, March 29, 2008 Seton Hall University, South Orange, NJ 07079 Keynote Speaker: Edward Halsey Foster The New Jersey College English Association is soliciting panels and = papers considering a broad range of literary and composition topics for = its annual conference. The NJCEA brings together those interested in = language, literature, pedagogy, and other aspects of the teaching and = study of literature and writing.=20 =20 Paper proposals are now being accepted for the following panels (contact = session convener listed below): =B7 Microfiction. Convener: John Wargacki, wargacjo@shu.edu =B7 Humor and the American Novel. Convener: Edward Shannon, = eshannon@ramapo.edu =B7 Teaching Gen 1.5 Students: Writing and Identity. Convener: = Gita Das Bender, dasbengi@shu.edu =B7 New Approaches to Medieval Literature. Convener: Angela Jane = Weisl, weislang@shu.edu =B7 New Jersey Writers. Convener: Mary Ann Miller Convener: = MMiller@caldwell.edu =B7 "NJCEA Poets" Convener: Maxine Susman, msusman@caldwell.edu =B7 Literature and the Law. Convener: Rolanne Henry, = Rolanne.Henry@NJIT.EDU =B7 Travel Writing. Convener: Loren Hoekzema, = lhoekzema@hotmail.com =B7 Transnational Forces in Hemispheric Literature. 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All submissions must = contain your name, e-mail address, and hardcopy address. =20 GRADUATE STUDENTS: You are cordially invited to submit papers for the = NJCEA's annual Graduate Student Award. The winner of this award will = receive a $50.00 Barnes & Noble gift certificate and have her or his = paper published in College English Notes, the official publication of = the NJCEA. Send complete paper and paper abstract IN ELECTRONIC FORM = only to the conference organizer at kimmelman@njit.edu by January 2, = 2008. Papers should be 8-10 pages in length. N.B.: In order to be = eligible to win the graduate student award, students must present their = paper at the conference. =20 DEADLINE FOR PANEL PROPOSALS: November 30, 2006. DEADLINE FOR COMPLETED PANELS, PAPER ABSTRACTS, AND GRADUATE STUDENT = PAPERS: January 2, 2007. =20 PLEASE PASS THIS ANNOUNCEMENT ON TO OTHER LISTSERVS (CFP AT PENN IS NO = LONGER SENDING E-MAIL NOTICES), PRINT AND POST IT IN YOUR DEPARTMENT. = THANKS! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:42:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bob Grumman Subject: My New Book, From Haiku To Lyriku In-Reply-To: <5E23CB9931F79B44904EC56336E9196C3D7A75@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's at http://bobgrumman.com/FromHaikuToLyriku/index.html. The book is about contemporary North American haiku and related short poems. I consider it a pretty good survey of what's going on everywhere in contemporary North American poetry, for it discusses short specimens of such poetries as visual poetry and language poetry as well as of conventional poetry. Poets from whom I've stolen haiku and related poems for inclusion in my book are in an index at the webpage. AND: I can take credit card orders. I have a friend who owns a bookstore, so if you send me your credit card data, she will process it. One temporary problem: I forgot to get padded envelopes to mail the books out in. So shipment of books already ordered will be a little delayed. (I'm supposed to get a box of padded envelopes on Tuesday from Staples.) --Bob G. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:55:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Burt Kimmelman Subject: NYC and NJ Readings Comments: To: poetz-owner@yahoogroups.com, pembroke9@yahoo.com, slurp@mailbucket.org, staff@poems.com, poetrynj-owner@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit UPCOMING READINGS BY BURT KIMMELMAN AND OTHERS (to help us enter autumn and prepare to welcome winter) [….] I try to remember when time's measure painfully chafes, for instance when autumn flares out at the last, boisterous and like us longing to stay - - - how everything lives, shifting from one bright vision to another, forever in these momentary pastures. - Mary Oliver D. S. 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Hit CTRL + F (Apple Key+F) to access the "Find" function. Then search for said word. The search results should count the number of times that word appears. Best of luck! -Ryan On 9/9/07, noah eli gordon wrote: > > Dear List Folks, > > Would someone point me to a website where one enters text and receives a > list of the number of appearances of each word? I remember someone postin= g a > link to a site like this about five or six years ago on the list, but I > can't find it anymore. If there's no longer such a thing, does any one kn= ow > how to get a comprehensive list from Word itself? > > Thanks, > Noah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. 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If there's no longer such a thing, does any one know = how to get a comprehensive list from Word itself? > > Thanks, > Noah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It's ou= r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=3DSeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 --=20 Jilly Dybka, WA4CZD jilly9@gmail.com Blog: http://www.poetryhut.com/wordpress/ Jazz: http://cdbaby.com/cd/dybka Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:59:44 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: tec. help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks... =20 Well, I'm looking for a site/way this will happen for all words of a text a= t once: =20 for ex, the above would read: =20 2: a=20 1: all=20 1: at=20 2: for=20 1: happen=20 1: I'm=20 1: looking=20 1: of=20 1: once 1: site 1: text=20 1: this=20 1: way=20 1: will=20 1: words=20 =20 Sort of like a master CTRL F... =20 Anyone? _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 20:03:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bruce Holsapple Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Murat, I appreciate your detailed response, & thoroughly enjoy the clarification of how a poetic text might induce a crisis in performance. It's an intriguing project. My point is beginning to sound trivial in retrospect. But I'm not sure where I've mis-spoken, for what you describe fits Robert's first category, a text which has features that make it difficult to vocalize, & it was produced intentionally for that purpose. Mary Higgins, incidentally, spoke to the same issue in our interview in February, tho she was chiefly interested in a text that proliferates possible readings, not resists vocalization. I obviously can't speak for Basinski, but it sounds like he also constructs texts that allow for a proliferation of performances. Are they difficult to produce? (I confess, I'm one for whom performing poetry is crisis enough.) Vernon, you seem to agree with my point, inasmuch as the visual need not be opposed to the verbal. In fact, you don't seem to be producing texts that resist vocalization, so much as texts that simply can't be totally verbal, as when you mention they now include more nonperformative (visual) material. This fits into Robert's category of texts engaged with the visual, tho not to the exclusion of other concerns. Recall my contention was simply that Robert's three categories were supported by what little research I've read, & they are formally concise. But here's a follow up question: Because a text is made difficult to perform, even to the extent of creating a crisis in performance, what effect does it intend for its audience? E.g., is it intended to produce a crisis in reception as well? Bruce ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:39:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: If you're in San Francisco, and want to see something fantastic, In-Reply-To: <9778b8630709091718i28669298xf9112eeba1372b75@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi there, it's me, Kevin Killian, playing press agent again! I just came back from a really good show here in San Francisco and I want to urge my readers to go and see it. It's part of the San Francisco Fringe Festival and it's performed by the Prince Myshkins, a theater troupe from Madison, Wisconsin, and SF has three more chances to see it. The play is really two plays in one, "Great Hymn of Thanksgiving" and then, without a break, there's one called "Conversation Storm," like Operation Desert Storm I guess, mixed with a little of My Dinner with Andre. The Prince Myshkins I sort of knew, for I had met one of them, the poet Rick Burkhardt, down in San Diego when he was a student of Rae Armantrout's--now he's a Ph.D and very august. Then there is Andy Gricevich, who I have met more recently, also a poet--the two of them both crazy talented and very much into the same sorts of things that occupy my mind, one of them being how to turn avant-garde energies into agitprop artwork, especially at this time of peril in our republic. Well, I don't know how to do it, --but they do. There's a third fellow in the troupe who is really cute, sort of a cute version of oh, Vincent D'Onofrio and/or Joss Whedon, maybe a little Ryan Reynolds, in other words, he will make a fanboy out of you believe me. His name is Ryan Higgins and he is apparently an ac tor and a musician according to the program, but I say, file him under: revelation. "Great Hymn on Thanksgiving" is the more ostensibly "artsy" of the two playlets, the three man gather around a family dinner table and eat with exaggerated movements of their knives and forks, eating invisible food and muttering murky syllables into the business end of cowbells, which cover their mouths like bedpans. Little by little the repetitive scrape of a knife across a china plate, the movement of a spoon across a tablecloth, a finger around the rim of a water glass, turns into a symphony of Spike Jones like sounds. It's like something out of those old leaked Beach Boys "Smile" sessions. They're also drumming the table like toddlers and playing or banging diverse toy instruments: a toy piano for Ryan, a toy steel drum for Rick, while Andy plows a violin bow across an old time zither or autoharp. The program notes that the muttered sounds come from, among other sources, the poems of Rae Armantrout. No! Yes! No! I didn't hear any, but there were so many things to hear, and all of the actors pretty deadpan, like Ish Kabibble in the old Kay Kyser RKO musicals. In "Conversation Storm" the subject becomes more obviously about torture as two men, old high school antagonists, meet up 20 years later with still the same subject positions (liberal vs. conservative) but with a new openness to torture that has removed it from secrecy, and now it's open US defense policy thanks to TV shows like 24 and thanks to the so called "torture memo" from the US Attorney General's office authored in summer 2002 by Bybee and Woo, both of them pilloried in "Conversation Storm." Gricevich plays several parts, a bored waiter trying to 86 the argusome pair, and a third classmate who remembers his high school days as an era of unchecked masturbation. The back and forth between Higgins and Burkhardt has to be seen to be believed, or maybe you could hear it on the BBC radio channel, for they have mastered the art of sarcastic and haunting timing. It was like, do you remember Nichols and May? This was like, Nichols, Nichols, and more Nichols. If you can possibly see any of their remaining performances you will be seared like ahi tuna. I give the show my highest rating: go, go, go! (And so cheap, under ten dollars. The only drawback: not enough nudity.) You can get more info about the show at, http://www.sffringe.org/fringe07/07plays/great.html Tell them Kevin Killian sent you. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 22:32:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Don Waters In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He is a super talented young fiction writer who=20 used to go to SF State and now lives in, oh, I=20 can't remember. He is bringing it all back home=20 to City Lights on the occasion of his first book=20 coming out, DESERT GOTHIC. Don Waters & Lee Mongomery Sunday, September 16, 2007, 5 pm @ City Lights Bookstore, 261 Columbus Avenue, SF CA 94133 reading from their new works Desert Gothic by Don Waters Whose World Is This? by Lee B. Montgomery both published by University of Iowa Press Desert Gothic is the winner of the 2007 Iowa=20 Short Story Fiction Award. Set in bars,=20 mortuaries, nursing homes, truck stops, and the=20 "poverty motels that encircled downtown's casino=20 corridor," Waters's ten stories are full of=20 misfit transients like Julian, a crematorium=20 worker who decorates abandoned urns to create a=20 "lush underground island," and the instant Mormon=20 missionary Eli, a hapless divorc=E9 who "always=20 likes people better when they're a little=20 broken." Limo drivers, ultra-marathoners,=20 vagabonds, and a distraught novelist-to-be=20 populate the pages of these gritty stories. Don Waters was born and raised in Reno, Nevada,=20 and now lives in Berkeley, California. He has=20 received numerous honors for his writing,=20 including fellowships from the Virginia Center=20 for the Creative Arts and the Jentel Foundation,=20 as well as the McGinnis-Ritchie Award from the=20 Southwest Review . His stories have been=20 published in such venues as Epoch, StoryQuarterly=20 , the Kenyon Review , the Southwest Review , the=20 Santa Monica Review ,zyzzyva , the Cimarron=20 Review , and Grain. Lee Montgomery's surprising stories capture=20 moments in women's lives when, pushed to the=20 edge, they teeter between the complete=20 bewilderment of loss and the lurking possibility=20 of found. These are not stories about diets,=20 designer jeans, and bad boyfriends; these are=20 stories that dismantle the fabric of convention=20 to reveal the raw interior worlds of women who=20 have come of age on the heels of Betty Crocker=20 and in the hem of Betty Friedan. Tender,=20 poignant, and at times hilarious, the women in=20 Whose World Is This? turn common notions of love,=20 compassion, and tradition upside down as they=20 show us how vulnerability, although dangerous, is=20 what makes life astonishingly beautiful and=20 reality strangely unreal. Lee Montgomery is the author of The Things=20 between Us: A Memoir . She lives in Portland,=20 Oregon, where she is the editorial director of=20 Tin House Books and the executive editor of Tin=20 House magazine. This event is free to the public ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:14:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: dad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed dad in 1940 this was my dad's last chance at happiness. the glacier was still there. he used a kodak 620 camera and the colour was beautiful. it's always sad when the image fades, you have to use your imagination, just what it was like. and you try to imagine what the sounds were, so you think it might have been cool out and there might have been a slight breeze. you can't remember what he told you about the season and how it was with the war on, france was just over the horizon. he said you could see the matterhorn. i don't know where he was going, i can't imagine how he got out of there and he never talked about it. he said it was silent up there and you could forget everything else in the world and the sky was clear, not a plane in sight. i don't know what he did when he got off the wall. i think he might have walked to one side or another, playing with the depth of the world which descended farther than any of us could imagine. we weren't alive then. he managed to make it out, that's hardly a smile on his face and in later years he never smiled. never. was that a minox he was holding. there wasn't a person in sight. he looks almost blind. i found this stuff somewhere in the attic. he'd dragged a trunk up after the flood and most of the stuff in it was alright. the trunk had to be thrown out. there were photos drying everywhere. http://www.asondheim.org/photoalp16.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:11:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cris cheek Subject: fuck silence MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline is an interesting manifesto Jesse ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:50:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: A Letter to Ron Silliman from Il Maestro G.A. Vidiamodopo re "Grand Piano de Parole in Liberace" Comments: To: silliman@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A friend notified me today that at the Blog of Silliman is a featured link to the analysis of "The Grand Piano de Parole in Liberace" in a presentation of Il Maestro G. A. Vidiamodopo. http://davidbaptistechirot.blogspot.com/2007/07/its-accessories-necessaries-considered.html As a colleague of Il Maestro in Eternal network of Fluxus Street Theater d' Il Maestro G. Maciunas I duly passed along the news to Maestro Vidiamadopo, who in turn sent to me a reply, concerning a perhaps misreading of his analysis of the "Corrective" Collective Autobiography as Il Maestro amuses himself by referring to it in the here and there moments in which he does. Here the relevant part of the letter to me which Il Maestro would like me to share with you, esteemed Colleagues, Brothers and Sisters in the Anarekeyological Actions of Eternal Heraclitean Flux. "Estimado, El Colonel de Securidad Nacional, Sector "Languagismo" R. Silliman : Thank you for the honor bestowed of the selection of my humble paper for the readership of your often cited Blog, home I hear to the formation of opinion and shaping of taste with in the august parlance of baseball fans such as myself, "Friendly Confines" of the storied laurel vine covered Walls of the stadium of the Grand Piano of the Collective of the Corrective Autobiography. It is with many happinesses I find myself among such an assemblage of the luminaries, eminences grises and laureati of the laurels of the Lyric Art. I need however to call attention to one shortcoming in the formulation of the indication of the existence of my examination of the Grand Piano di Parole in Liberace. This is the use of the words "A Literal Interpretation of the Grand Piano" which must be touched cyber-style to be linked to my presentation. Perhaps you have knowledge in the form of the reading of his works of the poet Jean-Nicholas Arthur Rimbaud? Whether yes or not, this poet well beloved to the hearts of millions across the spheres of Poesia, this poet in regards to a question as to the meanings of his works famously replied: "They mean what they say, literally and in every sense." Therefore, rather than confining the illustrious readership of the blog to the very narrow "literal" reading which alone could produce the sense that my piece is a "literal interpretation" alone--the repeition of this word is in order to underline my need to overcome its loneliness--I want to point out that my interpretion is like that propounded by the well-beloved Rimbaud. In other word, my interpretation is "literal AND IN EVERY SENSE." That is, it is to be understood in a far more vast "realms of the senses," to play on the title of a film by the Maestro Oshima. The examination is in each and every word opening into ever more areas of the senses in all their senses. I hope that via these senses the deeper sense of my words may begin to "make sense" to the readers and yourself of the simultaneous "amplifying" and "chiseling" of my critique which in its employ of these methods of the Isouian conception of Lettriste literary historical periodicity is essaying a far more complex and wide ranging presentation than that kept narrowly confined within the heretofore alluded to "Friendly Confines" of a method which can see only that which is of its own necessity limited to define as a "literal" "interpretation." that which in fact is not so narrowly confined at all. To use a street inflection from the repertoire of the milieu of the Fluxus Street Theater, El Colonel, in my work I "don't play that," that being the "literal," for as noted, I am dealing in the full throated and bodied Rimbaldien expression of the "Literal & In Every Sense" according to the "long reasoned derangement of the senses" for in the end to "reach the Unknown." For its from this Unknown that the positions of the known may be examined in the methods and manner which I have employed and so have indeed reached from this Unknown an understanding of the known which I have presented in my generous assesment of the Grand Piano di Parole Liberace's achievement, which perhaps you may have missed in a misreading of my examination as existing solely within the "Freindly Confines" of your own "literal" reading of that which is not confined to the literal alone. Here is the simple conclusion which was reached by the employment of my methodology, drawing on the teachings and examples of a great many brilliant predeccessors and colleagues of the present moment: Only the finest cabinets are used in the preservation of the documents, archives, recordings and files of the Grand Piano-- for in preservation in its purest state lies posterity in state-- in archival preservation lies the Grand Piano salvation of the materialist word-- In sum, my friends and colleagues, by surveying in a review-examination the cultural-materialist construction for the presentation and maintenance of the "Grand Piano", one has developed an awareness of the targeted directions of its discourses, its performative aspects, as well as its "in-dwellings" as it were. I think it is safe to say--for in my position I must take into consideration above all your security--I think it is safe to say that the object here considered for review-examination is one easily commanding entry into the data-zones of citation, bibliography and notes, while also sure to generate further examinations of its modifications of previously existing versions of the already existing files under which this particular "Grand Piano" has already been filed many times over. I find it safe to presume that its revisionings and revisionisms of extant files will be of at least a minor interest to those engaged in the minutiae of this particular trope of a narrowly conceived discursive presentation. Here it is shown that even with the most "literal" readings from within the "Freindly Confines" that the "interpretation" is not at all limited to the "literal" but indeed has been embracing of the "LiTERAL AND IN EVERY SENSE" and does indeed present a commentary-conclusion reached by this widely-arrayed Anarkeyological examinition of the presented materials. In Parole Seimpre in Liberace, G. A. Vidiamodopo Thanking you again for the great honor to be included among the highlighted links to the various galaxies constellated in your assemblage for this day. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:00:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: { brad brace } Subject: 12hr update In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII _ |__ __| | /_ |__ \| | | __| | | | (_) | | __/ (__| |_ __ | | | | | | __/ | |/ /_| | | | | _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| The 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >>>> posted since 1994 <<<< _ | | | '_ \ / _ \ | | / /| '_ \| '__| -_ | | | |__ ___ | | ) | |__ _ __ _ | __ \ (_) | | "This is the voice of the Global Corporation. You are now being admitted into the labour camp where you will spend the rest of your days. You will suffer what you will suffer, without recourse, without mercy. You are a criminal of the state. 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The 12-hour ISBN JPEG Project ----------------------------- began December 30, 1994 Pointless Hypermodern Imagery... posted/mailed every 12 hours... a spectral, trajective alignment for the 00`s! A continuum of minimalist masks in the face of catastrophe; conjuring up transformative metaphors for the everyday... A poetic reversibility of exclusive events... A post-rhetorical, continuous, apparently random sequence of imagery... genuine gritty, greyscale... corruptable, compact, collectable and compelling convergence. The voluptuousness of the grey imminence: the art of making the other disappear. Continual visual impact; an optical drumming, sculpted in duration, on the endless present of the Net. An extension of the printed ISBN-Book (0-9690745) series... critically unassimilable... imagery is gradually acquired, selected and re-sequenced over time... ineluctable, vertiginous connections. The 12hr dialtone... [ see http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/books.txt ] KEYWORDS: >> Disconnected, disjunctive, distended, de-centered, de-composed, ambiguous, augmented, ambilavent, homogeneous, reckless... >> Multi-faceted, oblique, obsessive, obscure, obdurate... >> Promulgated, personal, permeable, prolonged, polymorphous, provocative, poetic, plural, perverse, potent, prophetic, pathological, pointless... >> Emergent, evolving, eccentric, eclectic, egregious, exciting, entertaining, evasive, entropic, erotic, entrancing, enduring, expansive... Every 12 hours, another!... view them, re-post `em, save `em, trade `em, print `em, even publish them... Here`s how: ~ Set www-links to -> http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/12hr.html -> http://bbrace.net/12hr.html -> http://noemata.net/12hr/ Look for the 12-hr-icon. Heavy traffic may require you to specify files more than once! Anarchie, Fetch, CuteFTP, TurboGopher... ~ Download from -> ftp.rdrop.com /pub/users/bbrace Download from -> ftp.eskimo.com /u/b/bbrace Download from -> hotline://artlyin.ftr.va.com.au Download from -> http://kunst.noemata.net/12hr/ * Remember to set tenex or binary. Get 12hr.jpeg ~ E-mail -> If you only have access to email, then you can use FTPmail to do essentially the same thing. Send a message with a body of 'help' to the server address nearest you: * ftpmail@ccc.uba.ar ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au ftpmail@ftp.uni-stuttgart.de ftpmail@ftp.Dartmouth.edu ftpmail@ieunet.ie ftpmail@src.doc.ic.ac.uk ftpmail@archie.inesc.pt ftpmail@ftp.sun.ac.za ftpmail@ftp.sunet.se ftpmail@ftp.luth.se ftpmail@NCTUCCCA.edu.tw ftpmail@oak.oakland.edu ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com ftpmail@census.gov bitftp@plearn.bitnet bitftp@dearn.bitnet bitftp@vm.gmd.de bitftp@plearn.edu.pl bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu bitftp@pucc.bitnet * * ~ Mirror-sites requested! Archives too! The latest new jpeg will always be named, 12hr.jpeg Average size of images is only 45K. * Perl program to mirror ftp-sites/sub-directories: src.doc.ic.ac.uk:/packages/mirror * ~ Postings to usenet newsgroups: 12hr alt.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.12hr alt.binaries.pictures.misc alt.binaries.pictures.fine-art.misc * * Ask your system's news-administrator to carry these groups! (There are also usenet image browsers: TIFNY, PluckIt, Picture Agent, PictureView, Extractor97, NewsRover, Binary News Assistant, EasyNews) ~ This interminable, relentless (online) sequence of imagery began in earnest on December 30, 1994. The basic structure of the project has been over twenty-five years in the making. While the specific sequence of photographs has been presently orchestrated for many years` worth of 12-hour postings, I will undoubtedly be tempted to tweak the ongoing publication with additional new interjected imagery. Each 12-hour image is like the turning of a page; providing ample time for reflection, interruption, and assimilation. ~ The sites listed above also contain information on other cultural projects and sources. ~ A very low-volume, moderated mailing list for announcements and occasional commentary related to this project has been established at topica.com /subscribe 12hr-isbn-jpeg -- The image was to make nothing visible but their connection with one another by space and air, yet each surrounded by the unique aura that disengages every deeply seen image from the world of irrelevant relationships and calls forth a tremor of astonishment at its fateful necessity. Thus from artworks of dead masters, over-life-size strangeness whose names we do not know and do not wish to know, look out at us enigmatically as symbols of all being. -- Big Grey Bricks: This project also serves as a rehearsal for its culmination as a series of offset-printed volumes: each 800+ full-bleed pages (5x8"_300lpi), where the full integrated rhythm of greyscale-sequence can be more intricately resolved. I'd provide all design, prepress and production. -- This project has not received government art-subsidies. Some opportunities still exist for financially assisting the publication of editions of large (33x46") prints; perhaps (Iris giclees) inkjet duotones or extended-black quadtones. Other supporters receive rare copies of the first three web-offset printed ISBN-Books. Contributions and requests for 12hr-email-subscriptions, can also be made at http://bbrace.laughingsquid.net/buy-into.html, or by mailed cheque/check: $5/mo $50/yr. Art-institutions must pay for any images retained longer than 12 hours. -- ISBN is International Standard Book Number. JPEG and GIF are types of image files. Get the text-file, 'pictures-faq' to learn how to view or translate these images. [http://www.eskimo.com/~bbrace/netcom/pictures -faq.html] -- (c) Credit appreciated. Copyleft 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:18:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: fuck silence In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you've figured out a way to fuck silence, let me know. I'd love to try it. Otherwise, please refer to John Cage, sadly deceased a long time now. I haven't read Jesse's original post yet, though, so who knows? cris cheek wrote: is an interesting manifesto Jesse --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:01:50 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Betsy Andrews Subject: Betsy Andrews readings in DC/Baltimore next two weeks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, everyone. Please come or tell anyone you know in the DC/Baltimore area to come to my two readings this weekend! thanks much! 1) D O U G L A N G T E R E N C E W I N C H B E T S Y A N D R E W S i.e. reading series SATURDAY, SEPT 15 - 8 PM CARRIAGE HOUSE 2225 HARGROVE STREET BALTIMORE, MD www.ieseries.wordpress.com 2) IN YOUR EAR series SUNDAY, SEPT 16 - 3 PM DCAC 2438 18th Street, NW Washington, DC 202-462-7833 http://www.dcartscenter.org/ 3) FALL FOR THE BOOK FESTIVAL MONDAY, SEPT 24 Noon: Panel Discussion 7:30 PM: Reading Grand Tier, Third Floor, Center for the Arts George Mason University 4400 University Drive MS3E4 | Fairfax, VA 22030 | Tel: 703-993-3986 www.fallforthebook.org/ --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:43:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: tec. help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline for the Word Hoard in 2d&I, I played around with a lot of concordance freeware, and linguistics word counting things, but found it easier to just write a macro set (but I had a really long text that the freeware couldn't handle) this is a page of links to freewares, including the one Jilly posted http://www.teaching-english-in-japan.net/directory/cat/86 the one I used isn't a top google hit anymore. well, it HAS been a few yea= rs. just insert a paragraph mark everywhere there's a space, select all, sort, apply autonumber, then convert the field to hard numbers? although then you have to weed it out On 9/9/07, noah eli gordon wrote: > Thanks... > > Well, I'm looking for a site/way this will happen for all words of a text= at once: > > for ex, the above would read: > > 2: a > 1: all > 1: at > 2: for > 1: happen > 1: I'm > 1: looking > 1: of > 1: once > 1: site > 1: text > 1: this > 1: way > 1: will > 1: words > > > Sort of like a master CTRL F... > > Anyone? > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live= =99 Hotmail(r). NOW with 5GB storage. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_m= igration_HM_mini_5G_0907 --=20 All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:59:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Justin Katko Subject: Providence: The Program @ Firehouse 13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline THE PROGRAM @ FIREHOUSE 13 presents poetry & noise music performances by - Chi Fu (UK) - The Pretty Panicks (NYC) - Ryan Dobran (NYC) 8pm Tuesday September 11th @ FIREHOUSE 13 41 Central Street, Providence doors at 7pm, $5 or barter free food / cash bar http://plantarchy.us/the-program/ THE PROGRAM @ Firehouse 13 is a new monthly series featuring multimedia performances by poets from the US and abroad. The series is organized by individuals taking part in Brown University's electronic writing community, and sponsored by the poetry publisher Critical Documents. Firehouse 13 is a gallery space and artists' residency located in south Providence, dedicated to sheltering exciting, innovative and contemporary creative works. THE PROGRAM's opening night features performances by Chi Fu, The Pretty Panicks= , & Ryan Dobran, who will experiment with the boundaries between poetry and music performance. BIOS Chi Fu honed his shaolin style in the UK under the collective jive minaret of Jabba the Prynne and Kessie "Lard" Akinfemiwa. Representing the international avant-retard at junior level, he currently lives, writes and smokes five packs a day in Ryan Dobran's kitchen underneath the extractor fan. The Pretty Panicks - sara wintz is lead singer of the pretty panicks press, a small press printing and making rock n roll music, wires and hair strands procedures in NYC. Ryan Dobran LIFECOACHes out of Brooklyn, where he edits said peculiar rag, culling late clips of commercial paranoia, spicy d=E9tournement, and philosophical reflexions from exclusive sectors. He plans to avenge the "Lard"/Crusoe violation of October 2006 via a series of organ donations and Radical Passivity brochures. THE PROGRAM website: http://plantarchy.us/the-program/ email contact: justin.katko@gmail.com phone contact: (859) 699-3753 FIREHOUSE 13 website: http://firehouse13.org/ email: contact@firehouse13.org phone: (401) 270-1801 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:40:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Zamsky, Robert" Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: A<5E23CB9931F79B44904EC56336E9196C3D7A75@XMAIL.sooner.net.ou.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Linda -- great to hear from you. I was hoping you'd chime in. Thanks, too, to everyone else. Linda's correct; the Grenier we were talking about was the "scrawl" poems -- partly because I remember the same incident Linda describes. One of the things these poems bring out, as others have mentioned, is that performance is embedded within language. Even the most visual of poems engage with the vocalization we will give to them in reading. Which is why, I suppose, we always come back to talking about visual and acoustic as two vectors that are active in pretty much any poem, to greater or lesser degrees. My music colleague was wondering about this from the practical level of performance. For instance, we talked a lot about the treatment of the text in Shadowtime (about which I'm also writing right now), the way that Ferneyhough so stylizes, elongates, and layers Bernstein's libretto that the text becomes unintelligible. For a performer (I'm told), this makes the opera very difficult to sing. For the listener, one of the more interesting effects (I find) is that it is somehow still very important that we identify these voices as human voices making these sounds -- I'm reminded of Don Cherry on "teo-teo can," for instance, or Nate Mackey's poem written in response to it. Though the sounds seem to be non-semantic, this seems to only heighten their affect (which also reminds me of Schoenberg's Erwartung). One way we were thinking about this was in relation to Ferneyhough's piece Bone Alphabet, which is written for solo percussion. The piece does not assign specific instruments, though it characterizes the types of sounds they should make. But, what's perhaps most interesting is that Ferneyhough wrote the piece after studying the way a percussionist friend of his plays. He wrote the piece so as to work against his friend's habits, thus defamiliarizing his process of playing and reintroducing his body into the performance -- Ferneyhough's argument being that as performers perfect their skills, they necessarily take the "bodiness" of their bodies for granted. So, what poems, poetic gestures, poetic techniques, etc. might be analogous to Ferneyhough's writing against the performer's grain? In lyric, for instance, I'm tempted to say...pretty much everything that makes it lyric. Everything that makes lyric "performative" (to use very loosely a term that is already flabby), is what differentiates it from the usual flow of language. As concrete poetry raises the stakes on visuality, it is the remainder of the voice in the language.... Finally, Linda -- please do send along the 'zine info you mention. It sounds terrific. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Russo, Linda V. Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:00 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Hi Rob! & others... =20 re text as a site of difficulty, wherein difficulty is in fact be the vocalization/performance, I'd bring the visual poetry of=20 Mike Basinski into the mix, as an example of poetry that, I dunno, feigns resitance? i.e. a Basinski performance engages the signifier as a radically open site; he treats reading even his own works as an act of interpretation & vocalizes the difficulties and possibilities a text "yields." He reads the texts as though he hasn't written them. The result is, you might say, the difficulty of vocalization. I assume the Grenier you have in mind are the "scrawl" poems; I wouldn't exclude their engagement of the verbal - recalling the seeming glee that Grenier exuded when he asked his audience to read these poems aloud (this was at Buffalo 8 years ago or so?). While for Grenier these may be visual poems, they foreground the act of verbal interpretation for the reader. Although one might stare at them mutely and that would be ok too. =20 I've been thinking about performance & difficulty lately because of a student of mine, who's got a great sense of poetry, a junior who's writing fantastic poems, and is very intersted in performance, too (she writes multi-vocal performance pieces). She's got a stutter, and I've been wanting to account for that as part of her poetic material - without pathologizing it - how might she incorporate an awareness of that, rather than glaze over it? I haven't been sure how to broach this with her.=20 The only analogue I could come up with so far is Aaron Williamson - but I don't think she's interested in performing stutter or anything like that. Any ideas? =20 By the say, there's an excellent essay on Basinski's work by Ric Royer that you might want to check out; it's in a new zine edited by Justin Kato (a student of Bill Howe's & cris cheek's at Miami University Ohio) - the zine's at my office right now but I'll get you the reference if you're interested. It's a special performance issue. =20 Linda =20 On 9/7/07, Zamsky, Robert <,rzamsky@ncf.edu> wrote: > > I had an interesting conversation with a colleague of mine in our music > department the other day that I thought I would share with the list. He > regularly teaches a class on music-voice-text, and one of the issues he > is interested in is poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance. > As he and I discussed, it seems like such resistance could be > categorized in a number of ways: features of the text that make it > difficult to vocalize (such as working in several languages, unusual > syntax or diction, etc.); features of the text that don't necessarily or > obviously translate into vocalization (although punctuation, lineation, > etc. always work at least partly at the acoustic level, they also often > have other, overriding concerns); and, poetic texts that are engaged > with the visual perhaps almost to the exclusion of the verbal. For this > last, we were talking of course about concrete poetry and other "visual > poetries" -- we spent a lot of time talking about Robert Grenier, for > instance. > > I found the conversation interesting partly because there is so much > interest (on my part, at least), in the acoustic/musical/performance > qualities of poetry, and it was useful to poke at the limit-cases of > that concern. > > I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.... > > Thanks! > > Robert L. Zamsky, PhD > Assistant Professor > New College of Florida > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:15:55 -0400 From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Bruce, In all this analysis, a binary of choice is established, one abolishing the other. What I am interested in is the simultaneity of these two possibilities. That is what makes this relationship problematic in a very provocative and fertile way. Barthes, in his essay "Loyola," talks about this simultaneity -as the last step in Loyolan meditation- where the reader/meditator has to make a jump (for Loyola into God). Jack Spicer is talking about the same thing in his Vancouver Lectures. Ciao, Murat On 9/8/07, holsapple1@juno.com wrote: > > Apropos Robert Z's interest in texts that deliberately thwart performance, > the research I know indicates that we subvocalize as we read, e.g. Robert > Grenier's "I HATE SPEECH" inadvertently referencing pitch & volume of voice > thru capitolization as icons of emphasis. But reading obviously is visual > as well, & as one develops expertise in reading, one develops visual > pathways to (verbal) memory that supercede auditory pathways, so that > reading often seems silent. Further, printed texts (excluding texts like > Braile) are significantly visual in as much as they squiggle in patterned > ways, b versus d. > > The point would be, Robert's categorization into three "other" > nonperformative types of text seems supported by research. Besides texts > that can be performed, there are texts that are primarily visual. Of those > texts which can be performed, there are texts that deliberately frustrate a > performance & texts that are not especially interesting to perform, because > they focus on nonperformative (albeit auditory) features in a > text. Performance doesn't add much to what a reading achieves. > > Bruce > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 08:31:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: John Latta Subject: Re: Grand Piano updates In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070909120045.033d00a8@mail.wayne.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed It's interesting how the list of responses is now label'd an "archive-in-process" and how it now "aggregates responses and reviews selected by one or more of THE GRAND PIANO authors." The key word is "selected," innocuous enough until one realizes that some less than positive responses have been completely left out. For a set of links to my series of detail'd remarks, go to http://isola-di-rifiuti.blogspot.com/2007/09/grand-piano-notes-guy-davenport.html On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Barrett Watten wrote: > Note on the publication schedule of The Grand Piano, part 4: due to a > printing error, the volume has been recalled and will reship in late > September. We apologize to our readers and subscribers. Stay tuned for more. > > Also, there is now as complete a list as possible of reviews and comments on > the project at: > > http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post34.html#links > > as well as an archive-in-process at our website: > > http://www.thegrandpiano.org > > Barrett Watten > > > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:13:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Kelleher Subject: Liiterary Buffalo E-Newsletter 10.10.07-10.16.07 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LITERARY BUFFALO 9.10.07-9.16.07 ________________________________________________________________ NOTE TO READERS, CURATORS, ETC., FROM MICHAEL KELLEHER: I am going on a cross-country trek to do some poetry readings out west, get= a little rest, and attend a wedding in Minneapolis. I will be out of the = office and mostly unavailable from Sept. 17 - Oct. 10. The e-newsletter wi= ll not appear again until I return. I am trying to get the website as up-to= -date as possible so it will not need to be updated while I am gone. If you= need to contact Just Buffalo, please email info=40justbuffalo.org or call = 832.5400. If you need to contact me directly, I will be checking my email w= hen possible, answering when necessary. See you when I get back=21 MK ________________________________________________________________ BABEL SUBSCRIBE TODAY at http://www.justbuffalo.org/babel or by calling 832-5400. Just Buffalo Literary Center is proud to introduce BABEL, an exciting new r= eading and conversation series that will feature four of the world's most i= mportant and critically acclaimed international authors each year. In our first season, we will present two Nobel Prize winners, one Man Booke= r Prize winner, and an acclaimed Broadway playwright. 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For more info, or t= o join now, go to our website: http://www.justbuffalo.org/membership/index.shtml ________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE If you would like to unsubscribe from this list, just say so and you will b= e immediately removed. _______________________________ Michael Kelleher Artistic Director Just Buffalo Literary Center Market Arcade 617 Main St., Ste. 202A Buffalo, NY 14203 716.832.5400 716.270.0184 (fax) www.justbuffalo.org mjk=40justbuffalo.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:24:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Pitzer College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) ASSISTANT PROFESSOR of Creative Writing. Pitzer College invites applications for a tenure-track appointment in creative writing (poetry, fiction, or performance) beginning Fall 2008. Areas of interest include nature-writing, urban issues, or gender and feminist issues. Ability to teach multiple genres desirable. Candidate will teach introductory and upper-level courses in creative writing, and will advise students in the Creative Writing track. Commitment to teaching in a liberal arts setting essential. M.F.A or Ph.D. (with creative writing emphasis) and/or significant publications required. Pitzer College, a member of the Claremont Colleges, has a strong institutional commitment to the principles of diversity in all areas and strongly encourages candidates from underrepresented social groups. To apply, send letter of application, curriculum vitae, selected evidence of excellence in teaching and scholarship, statement of teaching philosophy, a description of your scholarly activities, and three letters of recommendation via email to “creativewritingsearch@pitzer.edu”. Electronic documents are required in the following formats: MS Word or PDF. The deadline for applying is October 30, 2007. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:21:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Therese Broderick Subject: tec. help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Noah, Try this-- www.wordcounter.com "ranks the most frequently used words in any given body of text" (from the IWWG newsletter "Network," issue 3 & 4, 2007, page 38) I haven't used the website myself, so I'm not sure it's what you need. Therese Broderick Albany, NY poetry.blog-city.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:33:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Schlesinger Kyle Subject: Curtis FAVILLE? Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Does anyone have contact info for Curtis Faville? Thanks! Kyle NEW MAILING ADDRESS: Kyle Schlesinger 214 N. Henry Street #3 Brooklyn, NY 11222-3608 USA www.kyleschlesinger.com www.cuneiformpress.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:28:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Evan Munday Subject: David McGimpsey and funny, serious poetry Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed For those of you in the NYC area: On Friday, September 14, David McGimpsey, author of the seriously funny=20= new book of serious poetry, Sitcom, is featured at Brooklyn's Pete's=20 Big Poetry Series. McGimpsey, often dubbed Montreal's wittiest writer, has been called 'as=20= funny as David Sedaris, and more inventive,' (Ottawa Citizen) and the=20 Washington Post says he 'displays erudition, clever insights and a=20 knack for the wickedly funny wisecrack.' Mischievous, generous and side-splittingly hilarious, Sitcom is a=20 collection of wry soliloquies and sonnets that begins with a milestone=20= birthday and finds itself in demi-mondes as varied as the offices of=20 university regents and the basic plot arc of Hawaii Five-O,=20 encountering sincere contemplations of mortality and the fashion sense=20= of Mary Tyler Moore on the way. Unembarrassed by its literary allusions=20= or its hi-lo hybridity, Sitcom=92s strategic and encompassing voice is=20= prepared for each comedic disaster and is, somehow, always ready for=20 next week=92s episode. David McGimpsey reads at Pete's Candy Store with poet Matt Donovan,=20 author of Vellum, chosen by Mark Doty for the 2006 Bakeless Poetry=20 Prize. We hope you can make it! David McGimpsey at Pete's Big Poetry Series Friday, September 14, 2007 Pete's Candy Store 709 Lorimer Street Brooklyn, NY 7:00 p.m. David McGimpsey was born and raised in Montreal. A PhD in English=20 Literature, he currently teaches creative writing at Concordia=20 University. He is the author of three collections of poetry, a=20 collection of short fiction and a critical monograph on the subject of=20= baseball and American culture. He plays guitar and sings in the rock=20 band Puggy Hammer and has performed as a stand-up comedian. His travel=20= writings appear frequently in The Globe and Mail and he writes a=20 regular column about sandwiches for EnRoute magazine. Yours, Evan ------------------------------ Evan Munday Coach House Books 401 Huron St. (rear) on bpNichol Lane Toronto ON, M5S 2G5 416.979.2217 evan@chbooks.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:35:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Dickey Subject: Re: tec. help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit try this http://tagcrowd.com/ Jilly Dybka wrote: I've used this free concordance software (windows) & it was OK http://www.chs.nihon-u.ac.jp/eng_dpt/tukamoto/kwic_e.html Jilly On 9/9/07, noah eli gordon wrote: > Dear List Folks, > > Would someone point me to a website where one enters text and receives a list of the number of appearances of each word? I remember someone posting a link to a site like this about five or six years ago on the list, but I can't find it anymore. If there's no longer such a thing, does any one know how to get a comprehensive list from Word itself? > > Thanks, > Noah > > _________________________________________________________________ > Gear up for Halo(r) 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It's our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 -- Jilly Dybka, WA4CZD jilly9@gmail.com Blog: http://www.poetryhut.com/wordpress/ Jazz: http://cdbaby.com/cd/dybka Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:23:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: University at Albany position for poet In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may interest some on the list: The Department of English at the University of Albany invites applications for a tenure-track position in creative writing and literature at the rank of Assistant professor, to begin August 2008. We seek a poet interested in working in an active undergraduate literature and writing program, and in a graduate program leading to an M.A. and a doctorate that can include creative writing. The candidate is also expected to make substantial contributions to the creation and editing of a new literary magazine (with both online and print elements). Candidates with additional teaching interests in contemporary U.S. ethnic literatures and/or world literatures are especially welcome, as are those who can teach in genres other than poetry (fiction, creative nonfiction, drama). Candidates should possess a Ph.D. from a university accredited by the U.S. Department of Education internationally recognized accrediting organization, although an appropriate advanced degree and evidence of substantial professional experience and achievement in creative writing may substitute for the Ph.D. Evidence of successful teaching and significant scholarly potential is expected. Candidates should also have a demonstrated ability to work with and instruct a culturally diverse group of people. Send letter of application, c.v., dossier of letters of reference, and a writing sample of no more than 30 pages, postmarked by November 9, 2007 to Pierre Joris, Chair, Search Committee, English Department, HU 333, University at Albany, 1400 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY 12222. The University at Albany is an EO/AA/IRCA/ADA employer. ___________________________________________________________ The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:01:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: poetry course, Barnard Women's Center MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT New and previous participants welcome to my fall workshop semester: TRANSLATING SILENCES: AN EXPANDED POETRY WORKSHOP Six Wednesdays: October 3, 17, 31; November 14, 28; Decedmber 12 Time: 6:15 - 8:15 PM Location: The Center for Research on Women, Barnard College Contrastive "Poets of the Month" will be Marge Piercy, Naomi Shihab Nye, Langston Hughes. Full description, registration info, etc., is at: www.barnard.columbia.edu/crow/courses.htm Thanks for spreading the word - Charlotte ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:18:11 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Signs of the Changing Americas: Venezuela Ambassador to Speak Wed., "Venezuela proud of ties to Wis In-Reply-To: <2bc35f480709100738t7bca0ef9r46fa0da3a0238092@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Note: Milwaukee is the sister city of Carora, Venezuela, and as the Ambassador no= tes below, Wisconsin is Venezuela's 11th largest trading partner. Milwaukee has become one of the highest poverty rate cities in the USA, amo= ng the highest in violence and a perennial leader in teen pregnancies. Wisc= onsin continues to lose or have return seriously wounded and psychologicall= y disturbed a high rate of its residents due to the Wars in Iraq and Afghan= istan.=20 A sign of the changing times in the Americas is that Venezuaela and Milwauk= ee have been developing a relationship in part because the government of th= e United States, despite the huge number of campaign appearances here by Pr= esident Bush during and since the 2000 "election," has done very little at = all for the city.=20 From Milwaukee's Bolivarian Circle:=20 > Subject: Venezuela Ambassador to Speak Wed., "Venezuela proud of ties to = Wisconsin" MJS >=20 > You are invited to a free, public talk by the Venezuelan Ambassador to t= he U.S. >=20 > Wednesday, September 12, 2007, 7 pm-8:30 pm > UWM Union Ballroom, 2200 E. Kenwood Blvd. > Milwaukee, WI >=20 > Sponsors: UWM's Institute of World Affairs, Center for Latin American and > Caribbean Studies, Center for International Education, and Latin American > Solidarity Committee. For more info, see www.iwa.uwm.edu. >=20 > Ambassador Bernardo Alvarez Herrera graduated in the Political Science fr= om > the Universidad Central de Venezuela, Caracas, Venezuela, (1980), later > majoring in Development Studies in University of Sussex, England (1982). > Between 1977 and 1982 he held several positions in the educational field = in > the Venezuelan public education system. Since 1985, has been associated w= ith > the political branch, where he held several posts, including Executive > Secretary of the Working Group on Political Reforms of the Presidential > Commission for the Reform of the State (1986-1987), Executive Secretary a= nd > Venezuelan Representative in the Forum on Debt and Development (FONDAD) > (1991), Director of Cooperation of the Universidad Central de Venezuela > (1994), and Venezuelan Representative to the Energy Council of the United > States of America (1999-present). >=20 > Since 2003 he has served as Ambassador of the Bolivarian Republic of > Venezuela to the United States of America. >=20 > - - - - - - - - - - >=20 > Venezuela proud of ties to Wisconsin >=20 > By BERNARDO ALVAREZ > http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=3D658620 > Posted: Sept. 9, 2007 >=20 > Venezuela is among the top five oil exporting countries, and our crude > oil reserves will soon be certified at 316 billion barrels, making us > the largest holder of such reserves in the world, surpassing even > Saudi Arabia. >=20 > Without a doubt, energy is the engine of the Venezuelan economy, and > we fully realize that the current and future well-being of our people > depends on the revenue from a vibrant and growing Venezuelan energy > sector. Our country is committed to that growth and serving the needs > of all of its energy customers, including the United States. >=20 > But whereas in the past, our oil riches benefited only the elites in > our country, our fundamental priority is to assure that our natural > resources are managed to provide the maximum benefit for our citizens. > For the first time in our history, we are putting oil revenue to work > for our people to create a new societal model to eliminate the > economic inequalities and the abject poverty that has characterized > our country for far too long. >=20 > Much has been accomplished, but much remains to be done. More than 14 > million Venezuelans who previously never had access to health care now > do; 1.5 million Venezuelans who were illiterate can now read and > write; and millions of Venezuelans who could not continue their > schooling beyond elementary school are now going on to high school and > college. >=20 > The poverty rate has decreased from 43.9% in 1999 to 30.4% today; > unemployment has decreased from 15% in 1999 to 8.3% today; Venezuela's > economy, among the fastest-growing in the world, grew at a 10.3% rate > last year. >=20 > Venezuela has become the U.S.' second-largest trading partner in Latin > America. Venezuela is Wisconsin's 11th-largest foreign trading > partner. Exports from Milwaukee alone to Venezuela have increased > almost 500% between 2004 and 2006, from a value of $28.6 million to >=20 > $132.9 million last year. >=20 > The vision for our country is based on a straightforward premise. All > Venezuelans are part of a community working together so all of our > citizens have the opportunity and the means to live a life of dignity > and to develop to their fullest potential. >=20 > This vision of inclusion encompasses people beyond our borders as > well. Working together with the people of the U.S., the cause of > social justice and economic gain can be advanced not only in our > country but in the hemisphere as a whole. >=20 > We are proud of the role Citgo Petroleum Corp., the wholly owned > subsidiary of our national oil company Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A., > has played in distributing more than 1.58 million gallons of home > heating oil to low-income households in Milwaukee last winter that > benefited more than 10,000 families in the area, resulting in cost > savings for these families of more than $2.5 million. >=20 > We are proud of our providing affordable energy to countries in the Carib= bean. >=20 > We are proud of our commitment to energy conservation and the need to > address the perils of global warming in both big and small ways. > "Changing a light; change Wisconsin" is a program, for example, that > has its exact counterpart in Venezuela. >=20 > We are proud that Carora is Milwaukee's sister city in Venezuela. >=20 > Venezuela is undergoing dynamic change. Although the means are > uniquely our own, the values that underpin our efforts are, in many > respects, little different from the values that spurred the storied > progressive movement of which Wisconsin is justifiably proud. >=20 > On the basis of such shared values, we hope to engage the people of > Wisconsin, and the entire U.S., to achieve a greater understanding > between our two countries to the benefit of each. >=20 > Bernardo Alvarez is Venezuela's ambassador to the United States. _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou= r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=3DSeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:27:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Alex the African Grey parrot and subject of landmark studies of bird intelligence dies at 31 Comments: To: Theory and Writing , dreamtime@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed (this is hero of one of the leading studies in animal sentience, I've =20= been following it on & off since the early 90s & I've tried to read =20 Pepperberg's book about the studies (too technical for my tastes)) Alex the African Grey parrot and subject of landmark studies of bird =20 intelligence dies at 31 http://www.alexfoundation.org/ WALTHAM, MA (SEPTEMBER 10, 2007)=97Alex, the world renowned African =20 Grey parrot made famous by the ground-breaking cognition and =20 communication research conducted by Irene Pepperberg, Ph.D., died at =20 the age of 31 on September 6, 2007. Dr. Pepperberg=92s pioneering =20 research resulted in Alex learning elements of English speech to =20 identify 50 different objects, 7 colors, 5 shapes, quantities up to =20 and including 6 and a zero-like concept. He used phrases such as =93I =20= want X=94 and =93Wanna go Y=94, where X and Y were appropriate object = and =20 location labels. He acquired concepts of categories, bigger and =20 smaller, same-different, and absence. Alex combined his labels to =20 identify, request, refuse, and categorize more than 100 different =20 items demonstrating a level and scope of cognitive abilities never =20 expected in an avian species. Pepperberg says that Alex showed the =20 emotional equivalent of a 2 year-old child and intellectual =20 equivalent of a 5 year-old. Her research with Alex shattered the =20 generally held notion that parrots are only capable of mindless vocal =20= mimicry. In 1973, Dr. Pepperberg was working on her doctoral thesis in =20 theoretical chemistry at Harvard University when she watched Nova =20 programs on signing chimps, dolphin communication and, most notably, =20 on why birds sing. She realized that the fields of avian cognition =20 and communication were not only of personal interest to her but =20 relatively uncharted territory. When she finished her thesis, she =20 left the field of chemistry to pursue a new direction=97to explore the =20= depths of the avian mind. She decided to conduct her research with an =20= African Grey parrot. In order to assure she was working with a bird =20 representative of its species, she asked the shop owner to randomly =20 choose any African Grey from his collection. It was Alex. And so the =20 1-year old Alex, his name an acronym for the research project, Avian =20 Learning EXperiment, became an integral part of Pepperberg=92s life and =20= the pioneering studies she was about to embark upon. Over the course of 30 years of research, Dr. Pepperberg and Alex =20 revolutionized the notions of how birds think and communicate. What =20 Alex taught Dr. Pepperberg about cognition and communication has been =20= applied to therapies to help children with learning disabilities. =20 Alex=92s learning process is based on the rival-model technique in =20 which two humans demonstrate to the bird what is to be learned. Alex =20 and Dr. Pepperberg have been affiliated with Purdue University, =20 Northwestern University, the University of Arizona, the MIT Media =20 Lab, the Radcliffe Institute, and most recently, Harvard University =20 and Brandeis University. Alex has been featured worldwide on numerous science programs =20 including the BBC, NHK, Discovery and PBS. He is well known for his =20 interactions with Alan Alda in an episode of Scientific American =20 Frontiers on PBS and from an episode of the famed PBS Nature series =20 called =93Look Who=92s Talking.=94 Reports on Alex=92s accomplishments = have =20 appeared in the popular press and international news from USA Today =20 to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. The Science Times =20 section of the New York Times featured Alex in a front-page story in =20 1999. That same year, Dr. Pepperberg published The Alex Studies, a =20 comprehensive review of her decades of learning about learning from =20 Alex. Many other television appearances and newspaper articles followed. Alex was found to be in good health at his most recent annual =20 physical about two weeks ago. According to the vet who conducted the =20 necropsy, there was no obvious cause of death. Dr. Pepperberg will =20 continue her innovative research program at Harvard and Brandeis =20 University with Griffin and Arthur, two other young African Grey =20 parrots who have been a part of the ongoing research program. Alex has left a significant legacy=97not only have he and Dr. =20 Pepperberg and their landmark experiments in modern comparative =20 psychology changed our views of the capabilities of avian minds, but =20 they have forever changed our perception of the term =93bird brains.=94 For press contacts: The Alex Foundation and Dr. Pepperberg can be reached by e-mail at =20 the alex@alexfoundation.org or by phone at 781-736-2195. If you choose to help support this research, please consider making a =20= donation in Alex's memory to The Alex Foundation, c/o Dr. Irene =20 Pepperberg, Department of Psychology/MS-062, 415 South Street, =20 Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02454. WALTHAM, MA (SEPTEMBER 10, 2007)=97Alex, the world renowned African =20 Grey parrot made famous by the ground-breaking cognition and =20 communication research conducted by Irene Pepperberg, Ph.D., died at =20 the age of 31 on September 6, 2007. Dr. Pepperberg=92s pioneering =20 research resulted in Alex learning elements of English speech to =20 identify 50 different objects, 7 colors, 5 shapes, quantities up to =20 and including 6 and a zero-like concept. He used phrases such as =93I =20= want X=94 and =93Wanna go Y=94, where X and Y were appropriate object = and =20 location labels. He acquired concepts of categories, bigger and =20 smaller, same-different, and absence. Alex combined his labels to =20 identify, request, refuse, and categorize more than 100 different =20 items demonstrating a level and scope of cognitive abilities never =20 expected in an avian species. Pepperberg says that Alex showed the =20 emotional equivalent of a 2 year-old child and intellectual =20 equivalent of a 5 year-old. Her research with Alex shattered the =20 generally held notion that parrots are only capable of mindless vocal =20= mimicry. In 1973, Dr. Pepperberg was working on her doctoral thesis in =20 theoretical chemistry at Harvard University when she watched Nova =20 programs on signing chimps, dolphin communication and, most notably, =20 on why birds sing. She realized that the fields of avian cognition =20 and communication were not only of personal interest to her but =20 relatively uncharted territory. When she finished her thesis, she =20 left the field of chemistry to pursue a new direction=97to explore the =20= depths of the avian mind. She decided to conduct her research with an =20= African Grey parrot. In order to assure she was working with a bird =20 representative of its species, she asked the shop owner to randomly =20 choose any African Grey from his collection. It was Alex. And so the =20 1-year old Alex, his name an acronym for the research project, Avian =20 Learning EXperiment, became an integral part of Pepperberg=92s life and =20= the pioneering studies she was about to embark upon. Over the course of 30 years of research, Dr. Pepperberg and Alex =20 revolutionized the notions of how birds think and communicate. What =20 Alex taught Dr. Pepperberg about cognition and communication has been =20= applied to therapies to help children with learning disabilities. =20 Alex=92s learning process is based on the rival-model technique in =20 which two humans demonstrate to the bird what is to be learned. Alex =20 and Dr. Pepperberg have been affiliated with Purdue University, =20 Northwestern University, the University of Arizona, the MIT Media =20 Lab, the Radcliffe Institute, and most recently, Harvard University =20 and Brandeis University. Alex has been featured worldwide on numerous science programs =20 including the BBC, NHK, Discovery and PBS. He is well known for his =20 interactions with Alan Alda in an episode of Scientific American =20 Frontiers on PBS and from an episode of the famed PBS Nature series =20 called =93Look Who=92s Talking.=94 Reports on Alex=92s accomplishments = have =20 appeared in the popular press and international news from USA Today =20 to the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. The Science Times =20 section of the New York Times featured Alex in a front-page story in =20 1999. That same year, Dr. Pepperberg published The Alex Studies, a =20 comprehensive review of her decades of learning about learning from =20 Alex. Many other television appearances and newspaper articles followed. Alex was found to be in good health at his most recent annual =20 physical about two weeks ago. According to the vet who conducted the =20 necropsy, there was no obvious cause of death. Dr. Pepperberg will =20 continue her innovative research program at Harvard and Brandeis =20 University with Griffin and Arthur, two other young African Grey =20 parrots who have been a part of the ongoing research program. Alex has left a significant legacy=97not only have he and Dr. =20 Pepperberg and their landmark experiments in modern comparative =20 psychology changed our views of the capabilities of avian minds, but =20 they have forever changed our perception of the term =93bird brains.=94 For press contacts: The Alex Foundation and Dr. Pepperberg can be reached by e-mail at =20 the alex@alexfoundation.org or by phone at 781-736-2195. If you choose to help support this research, please consider making a =20= donation in Alex's memory to The Alex Foundation, c/o Dr. Irene =20 Pepperberg, Department of Psychology/MS-062, 415 South Street, =20 Brandeis University, Waltham, MA 02454. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:49:30 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tribbey, Hugh R." Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What makes a performance meaningful is our decision and subsequent reconstruction of it as meaningful? Music is meaningful because of the recognition of pattern--or a construction/projection of pattern after the fact. An illusion of--or decision for--meaning in the recognition of a human voice, regardless of the sounds it's making? The context gives it its meaning, tells us it must be poetry, or a gesture against "poetry?" Silliman talks about this in an early essay. So does Hejinian: context makes meaning. =20 There's something in __Writing Degree Zero__ about any cosmic event being meaningful if a human decides it is. Hale Bopp is meaningful, thus suicide, or the suicide. . .And we see human faces on Mars, or we project theoretical frames on performances. But all of this is too much based on a reader/auditor reception which makes this too convention-based. Too much of that in art, yes? Maybe the artist decides on the meaning of a performance before it happens? No. No meaning in a vacuum. No solitary meanings springing fully grown from the heads of geniuses. And we don't have time for--and don't want-- masterpieces, given the pace of digital environments. It's all pleasure and suggestion for the next production.=20 Hugh Tribbey=20 -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Zamsky, Robert Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:41 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Linda -- great to hear from you. I was hoping you'd chime in. Thanks, too, to everyone else. Linda's correct; the Grenier we were talking about was the "scrawl" poems -- partly because I remember the same incident Linda describes. One of the things these poems bring out, as others have mentioned, is that performance is embedded within language. Even the most visual of poems engage with the vocalization we will give to them in reading. Which is why, I suppose, we always come back to talking about visual and acoustic as two vectors that are active in pretty much any poem, to greater or lesser degrees. My music colleague was wondering about this from the practical level of performance. For instance, we talked a lot about the treatment of the text in Shadowtime (about which I'm also writing right now), the way that Ferneyhough so stylizes, elongates, and layers Bernstein's libretto that the text becomes unintelligible. For a performer (I'm told), this makes the opera very difficult to sing. For the listener, one of the more interesting effects (I find) is that it is somehow still very important that we identify these voices as human voices making these sounds -- I'm reminded of Don Cherry on "teo-teo can," for instance, or Nate Mackey's poem written in response to it. Though the sounds seem to be non-semantic, this seems to only heighten their affect (which also reminds me of Schoenberg's Erwartung). One way we were thinking about this was in relation to Ferneyhough's piece Bone Alphabet, which is written for solo percussion. The piece does not assign specific instruments, though it characterizes the types of sounds they should make. But, what's perhaps most interesting is that Ferneyhough wrote the piece after studying the way a percussionist friend of his plays. He wrote the piece so as to work against his friend's habits, thus defamiliarizing his process of playing and reintroducing his body into the performance -- Ferneyhough's argument being that as performers perfect their skills, they necessarily take the "bodiness" of their bodies for granted. So, what poems, poetic gestures, poetic techniques, etc. might be analogous to Ferneyhough's writing against the performer's grain? In lyric, for instance, I'm tempted to say...pretty much everything that makes it lyric. Everything that makes lyric "performative" (to use very loosely a term that is already flabby), is what differentiates it from the usual flow of language. As concrete poetry raises the stakes on visuality, it is the remainder of the voice in the language.... Finally, Linda -- please do send along the 'zine info you mention. It sounds terrific. Cheers, Robert -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Russo, Linda V. Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:00 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Hi Rob! & others... =20 re text as a site of difficulty, wherein difficulty is in fact be the vocalization/performance, I'd bring the visual poetry of=20 Mike Basinski into the mix, as an example of poetry that, I dunno, feigns resitance? i.e. a Basinski performance engages the signifier as a radically open site; he treats reading even his own works as an act of interpretation & vocalizes the difficulties and possibilities a text "yields." He reads the texts as though he hasn't written them. The result is, you might say, the difficulty of vocalization. I assume the Grenier you have in mind are the "scrawl" poems; I wouldn't exclude their engagement of the verbal - recalling the seeming glee that Grenier exuded when he asked his audience to read these poems aloud (this was at Buffalo 8 years ago or so?). While for Grenier these may be visual poems, they foreground the act of verbal interpretation for the reader. Although one might stare at them mutely and that would be ok too. =20 I've been thinking about performance & difficulty lately because of a student of mine, who's got a great sense of poetry, a junior who's writing fantastic poems, and is very intersted in performance, too (she writes multi-vocal performance pieces). She's got a stutter, and I've been wanting to account for that as part of her poetic material - without pathologizing it - how might she incorporate an awareness of that, rather than glaze over it? I haven't been sure how to broach this with her.=20 The only analogue I could come up with so far is Aaron Williamson - but I don't think she's interested in performing stutter or anything like that. Any ideas? =20 By the say, there's an excellent essay on Basinski's work by Ric Royer that you might want to check out; it's in a new zine edited by Justin Kato (a student of Bill Howe's & cris cheek's at Miami University Ohio) - the zine's at my office right now but I'll get you the reference if you're interested. It's a special performance issue. =20 Linda =20 On 9/7/07, Zamsky, Robert <,rzamsky@ncf.edu> wrote: > > I had an interesting conversation with a colleague of mine in our music > department the other day that I thought I would share with the list. He > regularly teaches a class on music-voice-text, and one of the issues he > is interested in is poetic texts that resist vocalization/performance. > As he and I discussed, it seems like such resistance could be > categorized in a number of ways: features of the text that make it > difficult to vocalize (such as working in several languages, unusual > syntax or diction, etc.); features of the text that don't necessarily or > obviously translate into vocalization (although punctuation, lineation, > etc. always work at least partly at the acoustic level, they also often > have other, overriding concerns); and, poetic texts that are engaged > with the visual perhaps almost to the exclusion of the verbal. For this > last, we were talking of course about concrete poetry and other "visual > poetries" -- we spent a lot of time talking about Robert Grenier, for > instance. > > I found the conversation interesting partly because there is so much > interest (on my part, at least), in the acoustic/musical/performance > qualities of poetry, and it was useful to poke at the limit-cases of > that concern. > > I'm wondering if anyone else has any thoughts.... > > Thanks! > > Robert L. Zamsky, PhD > Assistant Professor > New College of Florida > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 13:15:55 -0400 From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry Bruce, In all this analysis, a binary of choice is established, one abolishing the other. What I am interested in is the simultaneity of these two possibilities. That is what makes this relationship problematic in a very provocative and fertile way. Barthes, in his essay "Loyola," talks about this simultaneity -as the last step in Loyolan meditation- where the reader/meditator has to make a jump (for Loyola into God). Jack Spicer is talking about the same thing in his Vancouver Lectures. Ciao, Murat On 9/8/07, holsapple1@juno.com wrote: > > Apropos Robert Z's interest in texts that deliberately thwart performance, > the research I know indicates that we subvocalize as we read, e.g. Robert > Grenier's "I HATE SPEECH" inadvertently referencing pitch & volume of voice > thru capitolization as icons of emphasis. But reading obviously is visual > as well, & as one develops expertise in reading, one develops visual > pathways to (verbal) memory that supercede auditory pathways, so that > reading often seems silent. Further, printed texts (excluding texts like > Braile) are significantly visual in as much as they squiggle in patterned > ways, b versus d. > > The point would be, Robert's categorization into three "other" > nonperformative types of text seems supported by research. Besides texts > that can be performed, there are texts that are primarily visual. Of those > texts which can be performed, there are texts that deliberately frustrate a > performance & texts that are not especially interesting to perform, because > they focus on nonperformative (albeit auditory) features in a > text. Performance doesn't add much to what a reading achieves. > > Bruce > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:50:51 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: & Now Festival MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, This is a call for work from Logan Esdale & Martin Nakell at Chapman = University. The call has been expanded to include poets & is pasted in = below. Consider sending some work or giving a reading? read on... -JS *** &Now: A Festival of Literature and Art April 15-17, 2008 Chapman University, Orange, CA http://www.andnowfestival.com/ Submit proposals for papers by November 1st, 2007 to submissions_at_andnowfestival.com. Anyone can submit a proposal. You do not need to be associated with an academic or any other institution. Graduate Students may apply as individuals or as students of an institution. You can propose: * To do a reading or performance from your own innovative or conceptual fiction, poetry, or other creative work. * To form a panel made up of friends, colleague, writers of like-minded work, writers from the same publisher, etc. etc. to do readings or performances from their own innovative or conceptual fiction, poetry or other creative work. * To form, or be part of, a panel for the presentation of papers with discussion on a theoretical topic relating to innovative literature =20 and\or the practice of writing. * Any other panel or format you might think would benefit the =20 conference. See the website above for more information. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:54:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Voice and the Performance of Poetry In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709091300u4e137136tae81c7ae4d6ea1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've found this discussion very interesting and to some degree curious. The Visual Poet Matthew Stolte was In Milwaukee this weekend and we were able to meet for two very stimulating discussions. Among the topices was just this question, though slightly different in formulation and area of in gress. Matthew asked me if a Visual Poem can exist which does not have any words or even letters. (Geof Huth also asked me this when we met.) For myself, a visual/tactile poem does not need any lexical ingredients whatsoever, let alone a score confined to the page. Zukofsky wrote of "Upper limit music, lower limit speech." This is a very limited range with which to work, both sonically and in terms of a "score/text." I think the range of poetry is that of the human ear and its abilities to listen to and hear beyond its ear capabilities with the use of a great variety of very simple to very sophisticated technical means. Rather than Zukofsky's formulation one has then a spectrum extending from near "silence"--(for the human ear doesn't completely "hear silence"--though it may SilEncE)--to Noise. White Noise in a sense may be thought of as a paradoxical form of this "near sielnce" in that ir the noise in which it cannot be distinguished a "clear message" becomes a form of "unutterable, unbearble" "silence" in terms of "information". At a certain level, the Noise and the "Silence" converge--and become as though "mirror images" of each other. The steady state of Noise becomes a form of "silence" and the steady state of "Silence" becomes Noise depending on how the listener "feels about it" or is aware of it. ("The position of the observer/listener" and the "observing/listening" in themselves can oscillate between and among these terms, or simply exchange them--) Bob Cobbing was the first Visual/Sound Poet to make Visual Poems without any evidences of letters, words at all--as well as extending the Visual/Sound Poem into the realms of the haptic by using the touching of objects, surfaces as things to be sounded. He also experimented widely with the uses of the tape recorder, in ways similar to and also very different from for example Henri Chopin, one of the first great avatars of the uses of tape for extending sonic ranges beyond those limiting ones of the sole dependence on the lexical. The tape recorder not only extends sound in its ranges, but also in Time. Durations become another elements which may be ollaged, cut up, "amplified," and "chiselled" to use Isidore Isou's terminology, though pushing past Isou's conceptions of the Lettriste score. When i met Bob Cobbing ten years ago I didn't know of the historical existence of these practices, but had been working along banging about in the alley ways of this area for many years. How to present to/for/with others the ways one sees/hears/touches things simultaneously and then to work with shaping these simultaneities in such ways as one can, to begin to arrange them, moving among their interrelationships, synesthesias, overlaps. Meeting Bob and seeing huge panels of his was the moment of a "shock of recognition," in which one finds suddenly that one is not alone in this at all, but there are others who experience, think, see, touch this and essay working with it as others do with the various elements elements of more familiarly known media. Walking down streets sounding sidewalk cracks, sounding the movements of tree shadows on pavements, sounding the blotches and blurs, smudges, patternings of light and shade, the touch of a door knob, the feel of the dirty linoleum flooring, the rust welts on collapsing metals, splits in the seams of paint on battered doors and walls, the --found everywhere around one hidden in plain site/sight/cite is this limitless teeming active changing flow of "material" not bound and to some extent gagged by the limitations of the "material word". (Which may be in a away thought of as one of Plato's levels of abstractions, a removal of the material into the realm of the immaterial, and in Marx's terms a reification of "materiality" into the areas in which "signs are taken for wonders".) Paul Celan wrote: "Poetry no longer imposes itself, it exposes itself." In the encounter with the poetry of that which is, as it exposes itself, one is is moving actively among the sites/sights/cites which are always already expressive/expressing and are making contact if one is open to them, as much as one oneself is essaying contact with them. "Stop (or move, walk, run, dance), look and listen"--and learn. And respond as one learns. One "finds the way", a way. "I do not seek, I find," says Picasso--there is no imposing of a preconceived seeing, saying, writing, construction made of abstractions. "Nature abhors a vacuum"--yet poetries of Celan's "imposing" kinds essay to approach as much as possible what amounts to a semblance of a vacuum, via evacuation and cleaning as much as possible to a "purity of the language of the tribe" (Mallarme). In a sense, it is an interest paradoxically on imposing "silence" on the "noise" of that which seems "barbaric," in the sense that the Greeks used the word originally. (That is--on hearing other languages, the Greeks heard "ba-ba-ba"--since of course, being Greek, they couldn't say--"sounds like Greek tome"--they used the word "ba-ba ba-barbaric".) Rather than Phil Spector's "Wall of Sound," the imposing of "writing" becomes the attempt to create a "Wall of Silence" between the "noise" of the "barbarians" and the "purity of the language of the tribe." Writing becomes a sign of seperation, in the manner in which historically it had been, with only certain castes or members of societies being permitted to learn the arts of writing and of reading in the proper codified ways. A "Wall of Silence" helps to create "Ivory Towers" which preserve the preserves as it were of language for the ones who rule and make the rules. The further removed from "noise" the writer/reader becomes, the more "silent" reading becomes--as Saint Jerome demonstrated to Saint Augustine. The question of silence in relation to writing and reading then becomes the opening of immensities of possibilities within the arenas of control and its resistances through and with written"silent" language. To stand inside a bureaucratic office in which various aspects of one's "fate" are being determined and seeing a sign which reads "If it is not in writing it never happened," is to find again the dread of this realization for those who do not participate in the writing that is imposed inside the Walls of "purity". "Silence" becomes something highly valued in writing as well as something which can be employed in all sorts of ways as a weapon, an instrument of control, a device for deception. (it can also, as Foucault writes of power, be constructive, has its positive aspects.That is, like power, it "produces." And so one enters the realms of discourse re the "production of writing." ) When one is presented with the "opposition" of the "opacity" and "transparence" of writing--these are effects of imposing "silence" on writing--from the point of view of seeing "silence" as sounding--the very idea of "opacity" is a kind of "transparent" ploy, just as the idea of "transparency" is. In both cases, one is required to perform the fiction reader's "willing suspension of disbelief." One is supposed to believe that "opacity" is "really opaque" and "transparency" "really transparent." The reader is required in both cases to take the writer "at their word." In effect, the reader is supposed to be silenced by this 'word" which is the bearer of "reality." "No questions asked." Cannot one see opacity and sound it--and in sounding it, "sound out" what may indeed be a "transparent ruse" to "cover up" the message being imposed? And transparency--may also be sounded--into a depth in which the transparency is "a thinly veiled threat" made up to appear a cheery smile in order to hide its rotting snaggle toothed fangs? In Visual Poetry for a long time a distinction was--and still is--made between the "Clean" and "Dirty" "Schools of works. (I think the use of digital means of making Visual Poetry have greatly increased the prevalence of the "Clean" School--a very interesting development, opening further and further areas of investigations --in terms of this discussion and many others.) Writing of these two "Schools," jw curry noted that "at the extreme end of the spectrum, so far as to be another School all their own, are Bob Cobbing and David Chirot, the Quck'n'Dirty School." Being the only one of us left now, of course the works have been called "the Dirtiest of the Dirty." I have no idea or not this is true and besides there isn't a competition anyway. What matters is that the "dirty" does not come about by the imposition of a preconceived method, a seeking in Picasso's terms, but from a finding of that which is exposed everywhere around one, forgive the repetition, of that which is hidden in plain sight/sight/cite. In archeology and the study of Rock Art in the landscape, of ruins, fragments,shards and bones, this is known as taphonomy, the study of things in their current state. The noise, dirt and battered, muted soundings, murmurings, whispers, the screams, shouts, songs, psalms of things in their journeys through time, as they exist in a present which is in moment passed--a well as a hint or vision, a calling of a future--these "quick'n'dirty" responses, recordings,collaborations with the materials as they are--one could "wax poetic" or "become dogmatic" about al of this, and very quickly diminish and confine it back into the words of which it is only partly made. "The Tao which can be named is not the Tao,"--why put a hat on a head which isn't interested? Perhaps al one say is that it is the disbelief in what Robert Smithson called "cultural confinement," and in going into the areas in which Smithson's "the artist's art of looking" can create art with a glance, not confined to the production process and the production of any object, which are quickly subsumed into systems of value imposed from outside of the "time of the artist." To enter into these areas is to be finding, not seeking, that which is already there, that which is, ignored by seekers, unconcerned with conventions, discarded as refuse and carrying the energies to refuse the definitions which make it so, all these things that make the "black matter"of existence hidden in plain site/sight/cite and with which one finds that necessity is indeed the motherfucker of invention, for here where "nothing" is is the "ground zero" with which one works. The "artistic dallying with forms" which Artaud saw as the "one hellish, truly accursed thing in our time," is being smashed to smithereens as fast as possible to make way for the new Walls, the new "writings of silence," the new materializations and materialisms of the "material word" as a language of control and confinement. Artaud writes that instead of the "artistic dallying with forms," --which can be a complicity and collusion, a compromise with the new Walls in exchange for "security"-- there is the necessity of "being like victims burnt at the stake, signaling through the flames." Yet that as well requires a "willing suspension of disbelief," a seeking in which the victim and martyr create the theater of cruelty. Breton wrote that the purest Surrealistic act would be to enter a crowd with a revolver and start firing at random. Artaud's victim can be seen as the gestures, the signalings, towards the "role" of the suicide bomber, who both enters the crowd with a "revolver" as does Breton's Surrealist--and kills not only others at random, but includes her/himself in the victims signaling through the flames. To be simultaneously victim and executioner--isn't that what makes the suicide bomber so "monstrous" compared to the nice clean killings carried out by "targeted assassinations"' in which the pilot moving at high speed high above the crowd, fires into it, killing both the "target" and innocent bystanders called "collateral damage"? And isn't the hypocritical discourse over the superior ethical position of the pilot to that of the suicide bomber yet again an example of the "artistic dallying with forms" while the victims on all sides pile up, signaling through the flames? "The most beautiful world is a heap of rubble tossed down in confusion/at random" (the translations vary), says Heraclitus' fragment, enduring through time as a piece of rubble itself. To enter this "most beautiful world" as a ground zero of neccesity's motherfucker of invention, to find in the quick'n'dirty taphonomy of things hidden in plain sight/site/cite--is a way of "finding out for oneself" (Olson, after Herodotus's, definition of "historin") --that the noise and near-silences, the glittering mirroring "opacities" and "transparencies" of "language" and "writing," the Walls of cultural confinements--that all of this is to find that all that is imposing itself as "writing," "silence," "performance," "language," is not so unlike the Towers of 9/11, whose "ground zero" has been converted as swiftly as possible into Terror and Security, Surveillance, Silence and Censorship, Imperialism. In this way the quck'n'dirty is a refusal to clean up and cover up the ground zero of black matter hidden in plain site,sight, cite when that ground zero is expanding at every greater speeds from New Orleans to Beirut, Baghdad to DePaul, Gaza to the Green Zone, the Phillipines to London, Spain, Guantanamo, from Muzzlewatch to the Patriot Act, from the Occupied Territories to the halls of academia. "One cannot hide from that which never sets" (Heraclitus)--and isn't that the goal of Imperialism, to be the sun which never sets, rather than simply that which the sun never sets upon? Isn't that the goal of the text which will never set from the skies of its blinding silences, its writing purified of speech, performance, "transparency?" Is a kind of final Law of the Text a bound and gagged reader confined to "opaque," "complex, ambiguous," "writing,"while at the same time being told that she or he is "free" to be the co-producer of meanings, vectors, formal radicalisms and the like? Doesn't the Silence of the text become in many ways possible, a silencing of the reader? Paradoxically the proliferations of ground zero offer both the opportunity to create from and with the rubble's necessisitating motherfucker of found invention and the possibility of being buried alive unless one collaborates with the cleanup crews making ready for the new towers and Walls. What is truly terrifying is that the artistic dallying after forms has created such "artifices" that the "victims being burnt at the take signaling through the flames" have been deprived of any "significance" at all unless they are "one of us".In fact, it has become rather the fashion to make note of the "bad from" of the victims' signaling from the point of view of the properly trained "professional," "official" "signifiers"in their infinite and moral, judicious, Imperialist wisdom. As the Bob Cobbing has it of the poet "sockless in sandals," with hawking his or her wares in shrieks and hisses, disturbing the quiet of the business-like ones' sober-minded night, their ultimate judgement and ruling will be--"if he knew what he was doing, he would do it better." Yet for all that a poet wil continue on, even if arrested, making noise in the quick'n'dirty ground zeros of existence, knowing that "if he could it better," he'd be confined to the very world that seems a glittering silent tomb carefully secure with the gated Walls and the title on the door, the Bigelow on the floor and absolutely no freedom to speak unless spoken to. Can this poetry of the quick'n'dirty be found everywhere? Matthew Sotle asked me about this. Yes it can. Even in a nice, confined, sterile, near-silent environment, a gallery, a classroom, a cell, a rest room, a waiting room--look--listen--touch. Look at the clothes you are wearing for example--plenty of materials for sounding with the fingers--zippers, soles of shoes, shoe laces or button, heels, the linings of jackets, pipings of trousers, pleats of dresses--scars on the skin, rings, bracelets, watches, earrings, combs, brushes--the plenitude of things--even the most minimal--a zipper on a jumpsuit--a raised lettering sewn in to labels, materials. The shadows one can make on the walls, the sounds of a door somewhere way down the hall. . . . the hum of electric lights-- Even the smoothest of walls has somewhere a spot of dust---even the darkest room has sounds, things one finds with the touch--- In the most extremely sanitized spaces one has still with one the germs of necessity, the motherfucker of invention. Not a victim signaling through flames -- Someone among the things hidden in plain site/sight/cite-- where the "Dead See Scrawls"-- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:31:44 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: James Chapman's Degenerescence (new novel in poetry) and 20 Ways to Wean Friends MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit from Joe Brainard's Pyjamas today....a foretaste of Chapman's new novel in poetry, and reconceptualization of the mythological narrative... James Chapman's latest novel is a startling departure from his previous oeuvre, compelling novels which tend to enter into phenomenologically-based modes of social critique. Whether he's writing about the early days of the A.I.D.s epidemic when apocalypic narratives and thinking abounded (Our Plague), or analyzing the first war in the Gulf through the eyes of a solitary soldier realizing with horror what the new embodiment of the "miraculous" will be in the 21st century (Glass: pray the electrons back to sand) or seemingly conceptualizing a human life as material sculpture (the walls collide as you expand; dream maple), Chapman's works never stray far from the soil, the earth itself. Observe the way natural processes occurring on the ground enter into each of his novels, and how the characters interact with the earth they are walking upon in pivotal scenes. It's very subtle but definitely present. Often, liminal events occurring at this terrestrial level are suddenly magnified by the amplifier of poetic prose, demonstrating how automatic and autonomous the foundational world is. This might be prose witnessing the growth of a furry fungus on a stone, or insects utilizing human synthetics to construct dwellings, or a process more disembodied, less susceptible to unaided human vision. In one novel it is a woman in the act of psychic disintegration moving into a cardboard box which she decorates with the obsessiveness and meticulousness of Joseph Cornell (daughter, i forbid your recurring dream). This catharsis, this continual returning to earth, might be profitably compared to the act of grounding which goes on in Buddhist process. more's to be had @ _http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/_ (http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:49:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: The Mountains MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Mountains We could walk around the borders of our beautiful country, even in 1943, and face everywhere on earth. It's a small country and one that has always been full of promise. Wearing our national colours is perfect for mountain scouting and we walk towards a future unsullied by the war raging around us. Our leaders ask us to keep our heads up high, learn to love the slopes and cataracts, glaciers and mighty streams, dark forests and barren plateaus. Our leaders have written a wonderful song, 'Storm Clouds in the Distance.' But we are fond of dancing and we are very modern. Restless, our friends await us in the small cabin we have been converting, such food. http://www.asondheim.org/photoalp18.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:18:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Simon DeDeo Subject: new on rhubarb is susan this week MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Three new things up this week -- a review (of Sarah Lang's new Coach House book) and two essays, one on the practice of poetry blogging, and one on "plagiarism and thievery in contemporary poetry", responding to Ron's remarks on David Giannini's new book. http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2007/09/plagiarism-and-thievery-in-contemporary.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2007/09/advice-to-poetry-bloggers.html http://rhubarbissusan.blogspot.com/2007/09/sarah-lang-from-work-of-days.html Thanks for tuning in, Simon ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:59:49 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tom W. Lewis" Subject: three sound collages In-Reply-To: <4E90161C-7D2B-4FA6-805A-AD1A70CC3C15@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://takingthebrim.blogspot.com/2007/09/sex-overkill.html#links http://minnesotan-ice.blogspot.com/2007/09/abscheid-train-dance.html#lin ks http://minnesotan-ice.blogspot.com/2007/09/we-curtis-at-passchendaele-w- mingus.html#links ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:15:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Fwd: Y-Phyle Zine needs storytellers, essayists, artists In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, we decided to change the spelling. Okay, so far I have one excellent prose piece selected, as well as contributions from 3 excellent poets. Currently, the poetry quota for this quarter is filled. Any further poetry contributions will be taken into consideration for the March issue. I NEED THE FOLLOWING: PROSE: Essays or short stories not to exceed 2,000 words. (Preference will be given to essays focusing on DIY (Do-It-Yourself) lifestyle and culture, however topics of absolutely anything are welcome, and nothing will be taboo! VISUAL ART: Photographers and artists send me scans or JPEG picture files of your work. It can be drawings paitings, whatev. If any of you have comic strips I'd love to run them! There will also be an ongoing contributing columnist who prefers to remain anonymous, although some of you in Ypsilanti may have seen him poke his head out from time-to-time. ; ) SPREAD THE WORD! DIRECT ALL SUBMISSIONS TO: zenreb29@earthlink.net DEALINE IS DECEMBER 1ST! ------------------------------ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest| Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe . __,_._,___ -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:31:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gary Sullivan Subject: SEGUE SERIES FALL / WINTER 2007-08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 SEGUE READING SERIES @ BOWERY POETRY CLUB Saturdays: 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. 308 BOWERY, just north of Houston ****$6 admission goes to support the readers**** Fall / Winter 2007-2008 These events are made possible, in part, with public funds from The New Yor= k State Council on the Arts, a state agency. The Segue Reading Series is made possible by the support of The Segue Found= ation. For more information, please visit www.seguefoundation.com, bowerypo= etry.com/midsection.htm, or call (212) 614-0505. Curators: Oct.-Nov. by Nad= a Gordon & Gary Sullivan, Dec.-Jan. by Brenda Iijima & Evelyn Reilly. OCTOBER OCTOBER 6 JENNIFER MOXLEY and MAGGIE O=92SULLIVAN Jennifer Moxley is the author of four books of poetry: The Line (Post-Apoll= o 2007), Often Capital (Flood 2005), The Sense Record (Edge 2002; Salt 2003= ) and Imagination Verses (Tender Buttons 1996; Salt 2003). Her memoir The M= iddle Room was published by Subpress in 2007. For links to her work online,= reviews, and more biographical information visit: epc.buffalo.edu/authors/= moxley/index.html. Maggie O=92 Sullivan is a British poet, performer and vi= sual artist. She has been making and performing her work internationally si= nce the late 1970s. Her most recent publication is Body of Work (Reality St= reet, 2007), which brings together for the first time all of her long out-o= f-print small-press booklets from the 1980s. Her website is www.maggieosull= ivan.co.uk. OCTOBER 13 ANDREW LEVY and BARRETT WATTEN Andrew Levy is a contributing writer on President of the United States=92 T= he Big Melt (Factory School, 2007), and he is the author of a dozen books o= f poetry, including Ashoka (Zasterle Books), Paper Head Last Lyrics (Roof B= ooks), Curve 2 (Potes & Poets Press), Values Chauffeur You (O Books), and D= emocracy Assemblages (Innerer Klang). He is editor, with Roberto Harrison, = of the poetry journal Crayon. Barrett Watten founded the Grand Piano readin= g series in 1976 and edited and published This from 1971. His most recent b= ooks are Bad History (Atelos, 1998), Progress/Under Erasure (Green Integer,= 2004), and The Constructivist Moment: From Material Text to Cultural Poeti= cs (Wesleyan University Press, 2003), which won the 2004 Ren=E9 Wellek Priz= e. OCTOBER 20 K. LORRAINE GRAHAM and TAO LIN K. Lorraine Graham is the author of three chapbooks, Terminal Humming (Slac= k Buddha), See it Everywhere (Big Game Books), and Large Waves to Large Obs= tacles (forthcoming from Take Home Project), and the recently released chap= disk Moving Walkways (Narrowhouse Recordings). She has just completed the e= xtended manuscript of Terminal Humming. Tao Lin is the author of a novel, E= EEEE EEE EEEE (Melville House, 2007), a story-collection, Bed (Melville Hou= se, 2007), and two poetry collections, You Are a Little Bit Happier Than I = Am (Action Books, 2006), and the forthcoming Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy (= Melville House, Spring 2008). OCTOBER 27 ROB FITTERMAN and MEL NICHOLS Sandwiched between Shell and Mobil gas stations, Robert Fitterman grew up i= n a pre-sprawl St. Louis suburb named Creve Coeur (broken heart). He is the= author of nine books of poetry, including Metropolis 1-15 (Sun & Moon), Me= tropolis 16-29 (Coach House Books) and, most recently, War, the musical (Su= bpress, 2006) with Dirk Rowntree. Mel Nichols lives in Washington, DC, and = teaches at George Mason University. Her chapbooks are Day Poems (Edge Books= 2005) and The Beginning of Beauty, Part 1: hottest new ringtones, mnichol6= (Edge 2007), based on the daily blog project at thebeginningofbeauty.blogs= pot.com. NOVEMBER NOVEMBER 3 CHRIS FUNKHOUSER and MADELINE GINS Chris Funkhouser was awarded a Fulbright Scholarship in 2006 to lecture and= conduct research in Malaysia, where his CD-ROM eBook Selections 2.0 was pr= oduced at Multimedia University. Prehistoric Digital Poetry: An Archaeology= of Forms, 1959-1995, a history of pre-WWW computerized poetry, has just be= en published by University of Alabama Press. Madeline Gins: B-b-b-b-b-orn a= nd intends never to die. Three of her eleven books: What the President Wil= l Say and Do!; Helen Keller or Arakawa; Making Dying Illegal (co-author Ara= kawa). Three of five Arakawa + Gins=92 built works: Bioscleave House=96East= Hampton; Site of Reversible Destiny=96Yoro; Reversible Destiny Lofts=96Mit= aka. NOVEMBER 10 SEAN COLE and BRANDON DOWNING Sean Cole is the author of the chapbooks By the Author and Itty City and of= a full-length collection of postcard poems called The December Project. He= is also a reporter for public radio. In his spare time, he writes bios lik= e this one. Brandon Downing=92s books of poetry include LAZIO (Blue Books, = 2000), The Shirt Weapon (Germ, 2002), and Dark Brandon (Faux, 2005). A new = DVD collection, Dark Brandon // The Filmi, was just released, and he=92s cu= rrently completing a monograph of his literary collages under the title Lak= e Antiquity. NOVEMBER 17 BENJAMIN FRIEDLANDER and DANA WARD Benjamin Friedlander is the author of several books of poetry, most recentl= y The Missing Occasion of Saying Yes (Subpress, 2007). His edition of Rober= t Creeley=92s Selected Poems 1945-2005 is forthcoming from the University o= f California Press. He is currently completing a book on Emily Dickinson an= d the Civil War. Dana Ward is the author of The Wrong Tree (Dusie, 2007), G= oodnight Voice (House Press, 2007) and other chapbooks. OMG recently publis= hed an edition of For Paris in Prison with images by the artist Matthew Hug= hes Boyko. NOVEMBER 24 NO READING=96Happy holiday! DECEMBER DECEMBER 1 TYRONE WILLIAMS and SUEYEUN JULIETTE LEE Tyrone Williams=92s book, c.c., was published by Krupskaya Books in 2002; = the chapbooks AAB and Futures, Elections were published in 2004; and the ch= apbook Musique Noir was published in 2006. A new book, On Spec, is forthcom= ing from Omnidawn in 2008. Sueyeun Juliette Lee currently lives in Philadel= phia where she edits Corollary Press, a small chapbook series dedicated to = new work by writers of color. Her chapbooks include Perfect Villagers (Octo= pus Books) and Trespass Slightly in (Coconut Poetry). Her first book, That = Gorgeous Feeling, is forthcoming from Coconut Books next spring. DECEMBER 8 JESS MYNES and ANTHONY HAWLEY Jess Mynes is author of birds for example (CARVE Editions), In(ex)teriors (= Anchorite Press) and Full On Jabber (Martian Press), a collaboration with C= hristopher Rizzo. His If and When (Katalanche Press), Recently Clouds, a co= llaboration with Aaron Tieger, and Sky Brightly Picked (Skysill Press) are = forthcoming this year. Anthony Hawley is the author of The Concerto Form (S= hearsman Books, 2006) and four chapbooks of poetry: Vocative (Phylum Press,= 2004), Afield (Ugly Duckling Presse, 2004), Record-breakers (Ori is the Ne= w Apple Press, 2007), and Autobiography/Oughtabiography (Counterpath, 2007)= . His second book of poems, Paradise Gelatin, will be published in 2008. DECEMBER 15 BARBARA JANE REYES and BHANU KAPIL Barbara Jane Reyes is the author of Gravities of Center (Arkipelago, 2003) = and Poeta en San Francisco (Tinfish, 2005), which received the James Laughl= in Award of the Academy of American Poets. She lives with her husband Oscar= Bermeo in Oakland. Bhanu Kapil teaches writing at Naropa University and Go= ddard College. She is the author of three full-length collections: The Vert= ical Interrogation of Strangers (Kelsey Street Press), Incubation: a space = for monsters (Leon Works), and Humanimal (forthcoming from Kelsey Street Pr= ess). DECEMBER 22 & 29 NO READING=96Happy holidays! JANUARY JANUARY 5 JENNIFER FIRESTONE and LINDA RUSSO Jennifer Firestone is the author of Holiday, forthcoming from Shearsman Boo= ks. Her chapbooks include Waves (Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs), and from Fl= ashes (Sona Books). She is the co-editor of the anthology Letters To Poets:= Conversations About Poetics, Politics and Community, forthcoming from Satu= rnalia Books.Linda Russo is the author of MIRTH (Chax Press, 2007) and o go= ing out (Potes & Poets, 1999), among other books. She has published essays = on Bernadette Mayer & Hannah Weiner, ecopoetics, and Joanne Kyger, includin= g the preface to Kyger=92s About Now: Collected Poems. JANUARY 12 TISA BRYANT and ROBERT KOCIK Tisa Bryant=92s work includes Unexplained Presence (Leon Works, 2007), and = Tzimmes (A+Bend Press, 2000). She is currently creating [the curator], a me= ditation on identity, visual culture and the lost films of auteur Justine C= able, and Playing House, an exploration of work, writing and domesticity. R= obert Kocik is a poet, essayist, builder, and eleemosynary entrepreneur. Hi= s niche, architecturally, is the designing/building of missing civic servic= es. His most recent publications are Overcoming Fitness (Autonomedia, 2000)= and Rhrurbarb (Field Books, 2007). He is currently researching the Prosodi= c Body=97an exacting aesthetics based on prosody as the bringing forth of e= verything. JANUARY 19 RACHEL BLAU DUPLESSIS and ANNA MOSCHOVAKIS Rachel Blau DuPlessis=92s two most recent books are Torques: Drafts 58-76 (= Salt Publishing, 2007) and Blue Studios: Poetry and Its Cultural Work (Univ= ersity of Alabama Press, 2006). She lives in Philadelphia and teaches at Te= mple University. Anna Moschovakis is the author of a book of poems, I Have = Not Been Able to Get Through to Everyone, and two chapbooks. She volunteers= as an editor and designer at Ugly Duckling Presse, for which she recently = co-edited The Drug of Art, the selected works of Czech poet Ivan Blatny (in= English translation). JANUARY 26 SUSAN HOWE and JAMES THOMAS STEVENS Susan Howe=92s most recent books are The Midnight (New Directions) and Kid= napped (Coracle Books). Two CDs, Thiefth and Souls of the Labadie Tract, in= collaboration with the musician/ composer David Grubbs were recently relea= sed on the Blue Chopsticks label. A new collection of poems, as well as a r= e-print of her critical study My Emily Dickinson will be published by New D= irections. James Thomas Stevens is the author of seven books of poetry, inc= luding A Bridge Dead in the Water, Combing the Snakes from His Hair, and Bu= lle/Chimere. Stevens is a 2000 Whiting Award recipient and a 2005 National = Poetry Series Finalist. _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:55:14 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: recently on wordstrumpet In-Reply-To: <399532.5147.qm@web31011.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you're so inclined: these and other posts . . . http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/ * Ange Mlinko, _The Children's Museum_ * _The Code of the Woosters_ (shower-reading and other oddities) * The Young and the Restless (obsessions of the tiny male) * A Walk with Nathaniel Hawthorne (my great grandmother's sister, Rebecca Harding Davis: her encounters with Hawthorne and others) * Like a Radio in the Dark (the mysterious Mr. Bowering) * Poets, Unbearable and Otherwise (your friends and mine) * Something More Substantial Than Fame (the view from Henry David Thoreau's attic) * Three Parodies of Ingmar Bergman * Comedy, Cruelty, and Control (and the connections between them) * Lady Sovereign (is a blog a sort of castle with its lord, its gentleman-soldiers, its mounted men-at-arms and its vassals?) * The Price of the Ticket (my quarrels with the blogosphere) * The Shock of the Necessary (Bill Knott and Linh Dinh) * Prisoners of Love: Poetry and the Stockholm Syndrome (a few thoughts on Bill Knott) * Your Mind Is On Vacation and Your Mouth Is Working Overtime * And Now For Something Completely Different (a poem) * Survival of the Fittest Groceries (what gets play, what doesn't) * The Baffling Mr. Abramson * Why Is American Poetry Culturally Deprived? (Kenneth Rexroth) * Either the Audience Wins or You Do: Harold Pinter, Audience Pleasure, and Other Musings * Borat and Bromige: Further Adventures (what do they have in common?) -- Rachel Loden http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:55:56 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joshua Kotin Subject: Announcing Chicago Review 53:2/4 - Preorder! Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Dear Poetics List --- The autumn 2007 issue of Chicago Review is at press and available to =20 pre-order. (The issue will be mailed in early October.) The issue features: the second half of "Rising, Hovering, Falling," =20 C.D. Wright's long poem about the Iraq war; Book V of Ronald =20 Johnson's Radi os; an article on feminism and innovative poetry by =20 Juliana Spahr and Stephanie Young, and a response from Jennifer =20 Ashton; essays by Georges Perec (on realism) and Allen Grossman (on =20 Hart Crane). Plus the next installment of Kent Johnson's twelve-part =20= critical novella, a review of J.H. Prynne's "To Pollen." And much =20 much much more. The full table of contents is posted as a pdf on CR's website and is =20 summarized below. http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/review/ + + + USE COUPON CODE 5323907 FOR A 10% DISCOUNT ON ALL ORDERS. (coupon expires 10/1/7) Please forward this announcement far & wide. CR counts on your support. + + + The issue costs $12 (including domestic postage) and may be ordered =20 directly here: http://tinyurl.com/2uacl3 Subscriptions, however, start at less than $15 a year and will begin =20 with the autumn issue. 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Joshua K. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Chicago Review 5801 South Kenwood Avenue Chicago Illinois 60637 http://humanities.uchicago.edu/orgs/review/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:34:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis Warsh Subject: Wiliam Carlos Williams Poetry Symposium Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v546) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit WILLIAM CARLOS WILLIAMS POETRY SYMPOSIUM The William Carlos Williams Poetry Symposium (WCWPS) proudly announces a special poetry reading to commemorate its annual celebration of WCW's birthday in September and to acknowledge the 25th anniversary of the renaming of the Williams Center. The WCWPS reading will take place Sunday September 16, 2007 on the Terrace of Rutherford's Williams Center from 1 PM to 4:30 PM. A champagne reception will follow and the poets will be available to sign books. Four of WCW's family members will be attending and sharing reminiscences. Featured poets include Alicia Ostriker and Laura Boss, both of whom read at the WCW Centennial at the Williams Center in 1983; Lewis Warsh, a featured poet at the 2005 Symposium; Urayoan Noel, featured reader for the 2006 WCWPS event; Jim Klein, WCW Poetry Cooperative member and workshop leader; and Tina Kelley, award winning WCW Cooperative reader & New York Times reporter. Bill Zavatsky, poet and Williams scholar, will open the reading with a discussion and reading of WCW's works. The WCWPS held an exciting day-long symposium in 2005, the first celebration of Rutherford's famous son in 22 years. In 2006 it worked with the Hispanic Heritage Organization to honor WCW's Spanish heritage on his mother's side with a poetry reading that featured Puerto Rican poet Urayoan Noel. On September 20-21, 2008, WCW's 125th birthday will be celebrated with a town-wide festival and two-day symposium at the Williams Center. Formerly the Rivoli Theater, the Center was renamed the William Carlos Williams Center for the Performing Arts in 1982, when it reopened after a devastating fire closed its doors. On October 13, 2007 this important institution will celebrate the 25th anniversary of its renaming with a Gala Fundraiser to help ongoing renovations. For more information on the reading or featured poets, please visit the WCWPS website at www.williamcarloswilliams.org. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline it's going to be an AMAZING reading! if you're in Philly on 9/23, don't miss this one! details and links on The PhillySound http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:57:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: OT: NYC-Area/Last Mets Reg. Season Game Tix for Sale MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Apologies for the non-Boog/poetry email. I?m checking in to see if anyone might be interested in buying my tickets for the last Mets regular season game of this season: Sunday, Sept. 30, 1:10 p.m. vs. Florida Marlins $58 I?ve had a Sunday plan and have sat in the same section for the past 10 years--mezzanine, sec. 2 (behind home plate). I have two tickets (price above is for the pair), and they?re under the overhang, so you don?t get burned in the sun or wet in the rain. If you?re interested in buying them (or know someone who is) you can email me. Hope this finds you well (and lets go Mets!). as ever, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://www.welcometoboogcity.com T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:13:02 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: Death of trans immigrant Victoria Arellano while in detention forges united protest among prisoners MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Article by Leslie Feinberg here: http://www.workers.org/2007/us/trans-0913/ CAConrad http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:31:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Jill is a wonderful poet, one of the best of her generation in Australia and beyond. I wish I could be there. Mark At 12:17 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >it's going to be an AMAZING reading! >if you're in Philly on 9/23, don't miss this one! >details and links on The PhillySound >http://PhillySound.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:32:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="1049347784-869865811-1189539176=:23889" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --1049347784-869865811-1189539176=:23889 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE New and On View: Mudlark Flash No. 42 (2007) Gabriel DeCrease | Short Retreats and The Unsolved Language Author's Note | Trieste | Vienna | Budapest Chihuahua | El Rey | Nusco | Madrid | Cairo Gabriel DeCrease is a graduate of the Creative Writing/Poetry Program at=20 Allegheny College and is currently a member of the MFA Creative=20 Writing/Poetry Program at The University of Pittsburgh. He received The=20 2005 Mulfinger Award for Poetry and first-prize in the 2007 Edwin=20 Ochester/Academy of American Poets competition for his poem "Iteration of= =20 a Funeral." His poems and reviews have appeared in The French Creek=20 Journal and Paradigm-3. He lives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, where he=20 works as a boxing trainer. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark=C2 --1049347784-869865811-1189539176=:23889-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:11:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "invite you to choke out the last few breaths o=". Rest of header flushed. From: Matt Henriksen Subject: Fri Sept 14 ~ Goldstein & Turovskaya ~ Carroll Gardens, Brooklyn MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Burning Chair Readings=0Ainvite you to choke out the last few breaths o= f summer w/=0A=0ADavid Goldstein & Genya Turovskaya=0A=0AFriday, September = 14th, 7:30 PM=0AThe Fall Caf=E9=0A307 Smith Street=0Abtwn. Union & Presiden= t=0ACarroll Gardens, Brooklyn=0AF/G to Carroll Street=0AFREE=0A=0ADavid B. = Goldstein is the author of a chapbook, Been Raw Diction (Dusie), and his po= etry has appeared in numerous journals, including The Paris Review, Jubilat= , Typo, Epoch, Alice Blue Review, and Pinstripe Fedora. He recently joined = the faculty of York University in Toronto, where he teaches Renaissance lit= erature, creative writing, and food studies.Genya Turovskaya is the author = of the chapbook The Tides, recently published by Octopus Books. Her poetry= and translations from Russian have appeared in Conjunctions, Chicago Revie= w, jubilat, Landfall, A Public Space and other publications. She lives in = Brooklyn, and is an editor at Ugly Duckling Presse.=0A=0AContact: matt@typo= mag.com=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A _______________________________________________= _____________________________________=0AFussy? Opinionated? Impossible to p= lease? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveyli= nk.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7 =0A ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:34:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: FW:Woodland Pattern: Small Press Focus: Ahsahta Press this Sunday In-Reply-To: <435649.786.qm@web81410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:35:36 -0700 > From: woodlandpattern@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Small Press Focus: Ahsahta Press this Sunday > To: woodlandpattern@sbcglobal.net >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > SMALL PRESS FOCUS: AHSAHTA PRESS THIS SUNDAY > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Ahsahta Press Discussion & Reading=20 >=20 > Sunday, September 16 2007,=20 > 11am Discussion (free), 2pm Reading ($8/$7/$6) > Woodland Pattern Book Center > 720 East Locust Street, Milwaukee >=20 > Sun. 9/16: Small Press Focus: Ahsahta; 11am >=20 > Janet Holmes will lead a conversation on the role of small press and > the daily business of a small press publishing. We'll discuss > Ahsahta's history as an all-poetry literary press that prides itself > on publishing books that value artistry as well as craft, and the > mind as well as the heart. >=20 > http://woodlandpattern.org/smallpress/ahsahta_press.shtml >=20 >=20 > Sun. 9/16: Lisa Fishman, Kate Greenstreet, and Janet Holmes; 2pm >=20 > Lisa Fishman is author of The Happiness Experiment (Ahsahta Press, > 2007) and Dear, Read (Ahsahta, 2002. "The Holy Spirit does not deal > in synonimes," notes by Elizabeth Barrett Browning transcribed from > the margins of her Greek and Hebrew Bibles is forthcoming from > Parcel Chapbooks in Denver. She teaches in the undergraduate and MFA > poetry programs at Columbia College Chicago and helps run > Poetry/Farm residencies in Orfordville, Wisconsin. >=20 > http://woodlandpattern.org/poems/lisa_fishman02.shtml >=20 >=20 > Kate Greenstreet is the author of case sensitive (Ahsahta Press, > 2006) and three chapbooks, Learning the Language (Etherdome Press, > 2005), Rushes (above/ground press, 2007), and This is why I hurt you > (Lame House Press, forthcoming). Her second book, The Last 4 Things, > will be out from Ahsahta in 2009. Visit her online at > kickingwind.com. >=20 > http://woodlandpattern.org/poems/kate_greenstreet01.shtml >=20 >=20 > Janet Holmes is the author of F2F (2006), Humanophone (2001), The > Green Tuxedo (1998) and The Physicist at the Mall (1994). She edits > Ahsahta Press, an all-poetry publishing imprint, at Boise State > University, where she teaches in the MFA Program in Creative > Writing. >=20 > http://woodlandpattern.org/poems/janet_holmes01.shtml >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > THURSDAY & FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 27 & 28: HETTIE JONES > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Hettie Jones, an award winning poet, prose writer, and author of How > I Became Hettie Jones, a memoir of the "beat scene" of the fifties > and sixties is coming to Milwaukee to present on the Beat Poets as > part of the Branching Out: Poetry for the 21st Century series.=20 > Jones will be presenting on the Beat Poets at the Milwaukee Central > Public Library on September 27, 2007 at 7pm, and will be reading > from her latest book, Doing 70 at Woodland Pattern Book Center on > Friday, September 28, 2007, 7p.m. >=20 > Hettie Jones on the Beats >=20 > Thursday, September 27, 2007, 7pm (free)=09 > Milwaukee Public Library=20 > Centennial Hall > 814 W. Wisconsin Ave.=20 > Milwaukee, WI 53233 >=20 > http://www.poetrybranchingout.org/calendar.php >=20 > Hettie Jones Reading >=20 > Friday, September 28, 2007, 7pm ($8/$7/$6) > Woodland Pattern Book Center > 720 East Locust Street > Milwaukee, WI 53212 >=20 > http://woodlandpattern.org/poems/hettie_jones01.shtml >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > UPCOMING EVENTS > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Sun. 9/16: Small Press Focus: Ahsahta Press w. Janet Holmes; 11am >=20 > Sun. 9/16: Janet Holmes, Kate Greenstreet, and Lisa Fishman; 2pm >=20 > Fri. 9/21: No Redletter this Month >=20 > Thu. 9/27: Hettie Jones on the Beats at MPL (Central); 7pm >=20 > Fri. 9/28: Hettie Jones reads from Doing Seventy; 7pm >=20 > Sat. 9/29: Experimental Film & Video Series; 7pm >=20 > Sun. 9/30: Alternating Currents Live; 7pm >=20 > Fri. 10/05: Lesbian Alliance Music Event; 8pm >=20 > Thu. 10/11: Jane Hirshfield on Basho at MPL (Central); 7pm >=20 > Fri. 10/12: Jane Hirshfield & Rae Armantrout; 7pm >=20 > Fri. 10/16: Experimental Film & Video Series; 7pm >=20 > http://www.woodlandpattern.org/ >=20 > ____________________________________________________________________ > To receive regular messages notifying you of Woodland Pattern > events, send a message to us at woodlandpattern@sbcglobal.net with > "Join E-List" in the subject line. >=20 > To unsubscribe from these mailings send a reply with "unsubscribe" > in the subject line. >=20 > PLEASE FORWARD! THANKS!!! >=20 > http://www.woodlandpattern.org/ >=20 > Woodland Pattern Book Center > 720 E. Locust Street > Milwaukee, WI 53212 > phone 414.263.5001 _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:45:13 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: TINFISH PRESS SEPTEMBER NEWS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit TINFISH PRESS NEWS: September, 2007 Tinfish is proud to announce the publication of farout_library_software, by Pam Brown & Maged Zaher. Design by Chae Ho Lee. $10 from Tinfish Press. You can purchase on-line or by sending a check to Tinfish at 47-728 Hui Kelu Street #9, Kane`ohe, HI 96744. More information here: http://tinfishpress.com/hot_off_the_press.html While you're there, please check out our other new stuff. The War Criminal offer is still on for Sarith Peou's Corpse Watching. Get a second chap for yourself at the same low price of $10. Someday I'll Be Sitting in a Dingy Bar, by Hwang Jiwoo, is on SPD's new “recommended” list. We have a new art feature here: http://tinfishpress.com/art.html and a new issue of Tinfish net, this one on translation, here: http://tinfishpress.com/tinfishnet.html I have a new anti-war project on facebook, the sidewalk blog (click on the photos to make them bigger and to unveil the narrative of each sign's life): http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6374&l=faa87&id=654553661 The month of August from my Dementia Blog appears in the current issue of INTERIM: http://www.interimmag.org/ I am also proud to announce two new books by students. Sage Takehiro's poetry is strong, bitter, and well worth the read: http://www.hawaii.edu/newsatuh/2007/0402/index.php?story=7 Ian Sample has written a memoir of his time with the UH football team. It (and deleted passages he put up on myspace) have caused quite a stir here. http://www.amazon.com/Once-Warrior-Hawaii-Football-Record/dp/0979064791 Enjoy! Aloha, Susan M. Schultz Editor/Publisher Tinfish Press ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:44:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Fwd: US Campaign Adopts Proposals on Apartheid, Boycott, and Nakba In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:22:32 -0400 From: uscampaign@mail.democracyinaction.org To: davidbchirot@hotmail.com Subject: US Campaign Adopts Proposals on Apartheid, Boycott, and NakbUS Campaign Adopts Proposals on Apartheid, Boycott, and Nakba at 6th Annual Organizers' Conference More than 100 delegates from more than 50 member organizations of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation met this weekend at the Arlington Campus of George Mason University in Arlington, Virginia for the US Campaign's 6th Annual National Organizers' Conference. Delegates to the conference amended and then passed by consensus all three proposals submitted for consideration. The proposals, which will guide the work of the US Campaign for the next year, call for the US Campaign to: Organize a national Anti-Apartheid speaking and organizing tour; Launch a national boycott campaign against Motorola for profiting from Israeli occupation; and Commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Nakba through educational campaigns and days of action Conference delegates also elected four new members to the US Campaign's 12-person Steering Committee to replace members whose terms expired at the conference. The newly-elected Steering Committee members are: Omar Baddar, SUSTAIN-Memphis Adam Horowitz, American Friends Service Committee Judith LeBlanc, United for Peace and Justice Ashley Wilkinson, General Board of Global Ministries, United Methodist Church (Organizations are listed for identification purposes only. Members of the US Campaign's Steering Committee serve in their individual capacities, not as representatives of organizations.) The newly-elected Steering Committee members fill the places of the following outgoing members who completed their terms: Huwaida Arraf, International Solidarity Movement Mark Lance, SUSTAIN-DC/Coalition for Justice and Accountability (Co-Chair) Samir Moukaddam, American Friends Service Committee=97Southeast Mazin Qumsiyeh, Middle East Crisis Committee The US Campaign would like to express its profound gratitude to Huwaida, Mark, Samir, and Mazin for their hard work and inspiring guidance over the years. Other highlights of the conference included an inspiring Friday night panel entitled "Success Stories in Advocating for Palestinian Human Rights" and a Saturday night cultural event which featured the world-premier screening of "The World Says NO to Israeli Occupation," a documentary on the US Campaign's June 10 protest in Washington, DC marking 40 years of Israel's military occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza Strip. Yesterday dozens of conference attendees stayed for the US Campaign's lobbying day on Capitol Hill. Conference attendees met with their Members of Congress and staff to express their opposition to $30 billion in U.S. military aid to Israel over the next ten years; their support for legislation to ban the export of cluster munitions; their support for renewed U.S. peace-making efforts based on human rights and international law; and their concern about the Israel's denial of the right of entry to the Occupied Palestinian Territories to U.S. passport holders. The US Campaign would also like to thank Students for Justice in Palestine at George Mason University for sponsoring and hosting the conference and the George Mason University administration and police department for ensuring that it was safe and successful. Although George Mason University was pressured to cancel the conference, it admirably stood up for our right of free speech against individuals who tried unsuccessfully to shut the conference down. Within the next few weeks, the US Campaign will post videos from the conference, a conference report, and the texts of the proposals passed as amended. US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation DONATE | SUBSCRIBE | UNSUBSCRIBE ________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99 Hotmail(r). NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:37:18 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: A Long Continual Argument: The Selected Poems of John Newlove Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT THE LIFE AND POETRY OF JOHN NEWLOVE as part of the fall 2007 edition of the ottawa international writers festival Documentary Film and Book Launch with Robert McTavish Hosted by rob mclennan Sunday, October 21, 2007 at 2pm, Library and Archives Canada Honour the memory of one of Canadas greatest poets with this screening of What to make of it all? The life and poetry of John Newlove and the launch of A Long Continual Argument: The Selected Poems of John Newlove (Ottawa ON: Chaudiere Books, 2007). The films poignant interviews with Newlove in his last years are punctuated with commentary from George Bowering, Patrick Lane, Joe Rosenblatt, John Metcalf and the many poets and friends who knew the public persona and the private man. B.C.s Robert McTavish, who directed and produced the film and edited the book, shares his passion for Newloves plain-spoken and carefully crafted work, which mixed an obsession with the history and identity of the Prairies with a bleak personal struggle for understanding. $12 General / $10 Students & Seniors / Free for Members Day Pass: $29 For more information on the book (with an afterword by Jeff Derksen), email the publisher, rob mclennan, at az421@freenet.carleton.ca -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:12:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: let's talk about language In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" red china (no longer allowed to be referred to as communist so i will say) --excuse me, "trading partner"--(this post is about language)--says "you need permission from the Chinese government to be reincarnated." (stated by another delirious one waiting in waiting room) and then, as he left, "but only as long as supplies last." --bobbi ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:16:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lisa Janssen Subject: MoonLit #2 Out Now! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The second issue of the new arts journal MoonLit is out now. No limits is once again the curatorial yardstick, represented by a wide variety of poetry and prose. Contributors include: Glen Bach, Jennifer Karmin, John Beer, Jill Riga, Claire McMahon, Joyelle McSweeney, Lauren Levato, Joe Fletcher, Lou Suarez, Julia Story, r. a. washington, Chris Stroffolino, Iris Jamahl Dunkle, Cheryl Townsend, mark s kuhar, Ray McNiece, Jack McGuane, MaryAnn McCarra Fitzpatrick, Marcus Bales, Mary O'Malley, Bob Holman, Miles Budimir, and Erika Mikkalo. Cover artwork is an unforgettable piece from Neil Hagerty, providing icing to one of the fastest-rising cakes on the American poetry journal scene. Buy from www.dragcity.com Click on Catalog + Book Nook Thanks to everyone! Lisa Janssen ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:17:18 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: noah eli gordon Subject: Re: Tec. Help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. This was just want I needed: http://www.wordcounter.com/ =20 _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:20:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Mathesis of Killing Field MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mathesis of Killing Field It comes down to this: here is an organism of a particular species, or rather a sample or individual of that species, and here is a second organism of the same; call the first 2 and the second 1. Then 1 kills 2 for one or another reason, let us say for sexual-territorial reasons or reasons of anger or insanity. An entire world is lost with the death of 2 and this includes the family of 2 and friends of 2 who must now reorganize and divides the belongings or nest or nestlings of 2 which most likely, the last, will not survive. 1 kills 2 with its bare hands. Let us assume consciousness and ethos, then we will not have a problem with this equa- tion, the acquaintance-world of 2 may then retaliate. But I say 1 is a criminal and if there is justice in this world or any other, then 1 must be rendered impotent, that is the actions of 1 must be short-circuited, circumvented, 1 must be rendered useless, ridiculous, harmless. Let us say 1 has hired or imposed force upon 3 to kill 2, then let us hold 1 doubly responsible and 3 singly responsible. It comes down to an organism killing another organism and the implications of habitus, political economy, the social, on this action which is only, but not for 2, part of a train of actions, what we might call activity in general. I say 1 is a criminal and must be treated as such and the justification of 'war' is meaningless in this regard, if 1 is the violator, even given the activity. I say 1 must be rendered harmless. I say for example a president who sends people to war, who insists on war, is not only barbaric, but a criminal situating itself behind a bureaucracy, rewriting the languages of legality in order to create a situation otherwise known as murder. It is as simple, I say, as 1 over or through 2, that is a singularity within which 2 is stopped through no reason of hir own, that there is a chain between 1 and 2. I say as well that religion is not justice, religion is the enemy of justice, and no appeal subvents or justifies the elimination of 2, insofar as 1 has been aggressor, it does not matter what masquerades as results or interpretations, what masquerades as the deconstruction of the real, in this case destruction of the real, concrete, inert destruction. I say our enemy is among us, our enemy is a president who is doubly an enemy, first for war and actions against others, second for war and actions against ourselves, as if we have generated, and we have, this disease in our midst. Let us think of the habitus of 3, let us mourn 2, let us annihilate 1 who will continue its pyramid of annihilation until all is lost, until so much is lost that the losing and what is gone have been forgotten. Let us remember that a performative carries force, not the force of justice, which has no force, and that the blindness of justice is the only sight there is. Let us remember that all other sight is invested, and thereby corporate, even the other-sight of the pre-industrial, that only the other-side other-sight of the chthonic may remain speechless and true and just, the slight memory of 3, the deepest and most violent rape of 1, that 2 no longer figures into this broken equation. 1, 3, equivalence sutures across the pillage of the dead, equivalence no longer exists. I say let us remember equivalence and its hammer, neutral, neutral neutral. I say 2 is dead. http://www.asondheim.org/photoalp30.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:40:26 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Ricejunk2@frontiernet.net" Subject: Reading at the Bowery Poetry Club Oct 2, 6 p.m. Comments: cc: theotherherald@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, all. One of the poets published in Sept. issue of The Other Herald (Perry, =20 NY monthly literary paper) is Niels Hav. He has told me of an Oct. =20 reading in NYC. I can't make it, since I am so far away (Western NY). =20 Possibly others may want to check out the link below? Niels Hav / Bowery Poetry Club/ Oct. 2, 6 pm. http://www.ambwashington.um.dk/en/menu/TheEmbassy/Presscultureandinformation= section/EventCalendar/Literature/ Enjoy! --T. F. Rice, Editor / Heralding the art of words in Western New York, and beyond.../ / THE OTHER HERALD/ NOTE: some back issues included on writers' group blog at: =20 www.lulu.com/tfrice=A0 (Current issue is not listed there as of yet.) YOU MAY ORDER BACK ISSUES OR SUBSCRIBE AT: www.tfrice.etsy.com SEND ANY SUBMISSIONS OR QUESTIONS TO: theotherherald@yahoo.com SUBSCRIBE BY MAIL: $10/year includes postage (12 issues) payable to Hidden Valley Farm, Publisher P.O. Box 172 Perry, NY 14530 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:19:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: **Advertise in Boog City 45** Comments: To: "UB Poetics discussion group "@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward ----------------------- Advertise in Boog City 45 *Deadline --Thurs. Sept. 20-Ad copy to editor --Sat. Sept. 29-Issue to be distributed Email to reserve ad space ASAP We have 2,250 copies distributed and available free throughout Manhattan's East Village, and Williamsburg and Greenpoint, Brooklyn. ----- Take advantage of our indie discount ad rate. We are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies to larger ads.) Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles or upcoming readings, or maybe salute an author you feel people should be reading, with a few suggested books to buy. And musical acts, advertise your new albums, indie labels your new releases. (We're also cool with donations, real cool.) Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:59:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Notes for a talk on 'human modeling' MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Notes for a talk on 'human modeling' Human Modeling - including 'sex girlfriend modeling,' analog modeling, avatar modeling and governance issues, technical skin/fabrication issues, interoperability issues, psychoanalytical/psychological issues, virtual and augmented realities, etc. My early work on the 'topology of intentionality' - structuring of psychoanalytical transformations within and without the symbolic. I'm thinking also psychoanalytical modeling in general. What does it mean to model the human? (What constitutes a model?) Avatars in Second Life, Poser: modeling paralleling the appearance of the human body. This might be considered formal mimicry. Take the formal mimicry down to its basic elements, remapped in Blender and/or other 3d programs: interrelationships of limbs. Empathetic identification with emotional 'states' indicated by limb arrangements. Return to the full body in Second Life: Mapping in which tensions reflect human behaviors/activities - sexual, angered, submissive, dominant, and so forth. The _surreal_ body - manipulations impossible in the real world. The interior of the avatar body: sheaves, intersections, hollows. What coheres externally falls apart to the point of transparency, disjunctions. (Imagine pulling a weight around in second life, lungs or heart or liver: how would that 'be'?) Think of the system/panoply of gestures in silent film: moving from gesture to gesture. So there are codes and narratives constructed from moments of codes. Issues of scripting: To what level of detail (differentiation, integra- tion) are behaviors applied? Double level of extrapolation: Poser or Second Life morphing - then the coding in relation to human morphing (morphology). In other words - {X} - where {X} is the potential set of generated 'betweens' in Poser or human behavior. In Poser jump-cuts are conceivable if details down to the level of the frame are perceptibly disparate (disconnected); in human behavior, jump-cuts are impossible. In human behavior, matter and time flow continuously; Reichenbach's gen- identity holds. Poser is cinematic, spatially analogic, temporally digital; human behavior is spatially and temporally analogic. Modeling and the 'uncanny' - modeling of human meat. (Disturbances of the field - Carolee Schneeman, Beuys, early Acconci, are relevant here, a minimum of props.) What are the empathetic forces at work across the real/ virtual boundary? What are the introjective/projective (i.e. jectivities) processes? Consider: humans are always already modeled in relation to each other; to themselves. Modeling is replete inscription; inscription implies codes and protocols. The condition is always one of culture; culture characterizes the organic (think of Heinz von Foerster on negation as fundamental to organic behavior). There are issues of self/other, body-skein, suturing, healing, etc. Human modeling, avatar-creation: 1. the body (space); 2. the body in time (behavior) - body as behavior-space. Behavioral coding: neural nets on one hand, bvh files and totalized body on the other: what are the code interstices/interfaces between them? Attach a neural net to a Poser body; import into Blender (element reduc- tion, mapping), import into Second Life (formal description of tension / relaxation in space-time). http://www.asondheim.org/beefsteakpolypore1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/beefsteakpolypore2.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:57:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dillon Westbrook Subject: Prosody Castle 3a in Oakland, Ca 9/13 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed If you are reading this and are in the bay on Thursday, consider checking out Erika Staiti Chris Stroffolino translated into multiple languages live for your listening pleasure all goes down at: The Gallery of Urban Art 1746 13th St. @ Wood, West Oakland Thursday 13th, 8pm sharp (be on time, as I can't keep the translators around all night), http://www.thegalleryofurbanart.com/ http://prosodycastle.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:42:23 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: wild honey Subject: Re: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with Mark on this one. Jill really is extraordinary. Talk about unmissable! best Randolph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT > Jill is a wonderful poet, one of the best of her generation in Australia > and beyond. I wish I could be there. > > Mark > > > At 12:17 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >>it's going to be an AMAZING reading! >>if you're in Philly on 9/23, don't miss this one! >>details and links on The PhillySound >>http://PhillySound.blogspot.com > > > __________ NOD32 2523 (20070912) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:23:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: Listenlight 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All --- Listenlight.net (a poetry journal) is now a "Web 2.0" *application* in the Ruby on Rails platform. Readers will "interact" with your work in various and subtle ways. I know precisely how to implement it, yet I have all the serious hacking to do before it will look like the listenlight you know and love. Sending your work in for review will only expedite the process. Best, JWC http://listenlight.net http://gravityway.com http://browsercosm.dev.java.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:28:24 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: Marsh Haw Press Invites You! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARSH HAWK PRESS INVITES YOU! Sept. 19, 6-7 p.m. Cornelia Street Cafe, New York City (_http://www.corneliastreetcafe.com_ (http://www.corneliastreetcafe.com) ) Rochelle Ratner hosts 3 Poets: Norman Finkelstein; Sandy McIntosh; Eileen Tabios 29 Cornelia Street, NYC 10014, 212-989-9319 Cover $7 (includes one drink) Sept. 20, Marsh Hawk Press Book Launch, New York City Norman Finkelstein; Sandy McIntosh; Eileen Tabios at Poets House (_http://poetshouse.org_ (http://poetshouse.org) ) 72 Spring Street, 2nd Floor, NYC 10012 7-9 p.m. w/ Wines, Whines & Other Goodies _http://marshhawkpress.org_ (http://marshhawkpress.org/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:54:05 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jill Jones Subject: Re: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT In-Reply-To: <005301c7f508$9cd55a80$2101a8c0@maryscomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Randolph. And hi Mark, Pity I can't get a reading while I'm in New York but looking forward to meeting up while I'm there. See you next week some time. Cheers, Jill On 12/09/2007, at 4:42 PM, wild honey wrote: > I'm with Mark on this one. Jill really is extraordinary. Talk about > unmissable! > > best > > Randolph > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Weiss" > > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: Jill Jones, Jessica White, Jaime Anne Earnest, Joey > Yearous-Algozin PHILLY EVENT > > >> Jill is a wonderful poet, one of the best of her generation in >> Australia and beyond. I wish I could be there. >> >> Mark >> >> >> At 12:17 PM 9/11/2007, you wrote: >>> it's going to be an AMAZING reading! >>> if you're in Philly on 9/23, don't miss this one! >>> details and links on The PhillySound >>> http://PhillySound.blogspot.com >> >> >> __________ NOD32 2523 (20070912) Information __________ >> >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. >> http://www.eset.com >> __________________________________ Jill Jones Latest books: Broken/Open. Available from Salt Publishing http://www.saltpublishing.com/books/smp/1844710416.htm Where the Sea Burns. Wagtail Series. Picaro Press PO Box 853, Warners Bay, NSW, 2282. jandr@hunterlink.net.au web site: http://www.jilljones.com.au off the street: http://jillesjon.googlepages.com/home blog1: Ruby Street http://rubystreet.blogspot.com/ blog2: Latitudes http://itudes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:11:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Nomadics blog is back Comments: To: Britis-Irish List Comments: cc: "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nomadics blog is back. Check out the latest posts at http:// pjoris.blogspot.com: Further News re Pessoa Albany, NY Reading Lisbon, Pessoa, the gone Summer... "Girl from Iowa Makes Good in Vienna, goes to Berlin" Sur la Route, & back home again... Peru Quake: EL DIARIO DE UN SOLDADO Abdallah Zrika Poem enjoy! comment! link! Pierre ___________________________________________________________ The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:35:43 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: let's talk about language In-Reply-To: <8C9C2D7FBD30DCC-FC0-3E7A@FWM-D44.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bobbi, if China isn't referred to as communist, that's probably because it's not. The Chinese government likes to refer to it as communism with Chinese characteristics, which in fact means capitalism with a highly authoritarian government. EKS elizabethkateswitaj.net On 9/12/07, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > red china (no longer allowed to be referred to as communist so i will say) > --excuse me, "trading partner"--(this post is about language)--says "you > need permission from the Chinese government to be reincarnated." > (stated by another delirious one waiting in waiting room) > and then, as he left, "but only as long as supplies last." > --bobbi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:24:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: let's talk about language In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Elizabeth, Thank you so much for answering. That is exactly my point. It seems the point is always political correctness these days--and yes--i did correct myself according to the new formula/ i did excuse myself just in case. but the point of this quote was the fact that people need permission from the government for reincarnation (for a limited time only) thanks--bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Switaj poesis@GMAIL.COM Bobbi, if China isn't referred to as communist, that's probably because it's not. The Chinese government likes to refer to it as communism with Chinese characteristics, which in fact means capitalism with a highly authoritarian government. EKS elizabethkateswitaj.net On 9/12/07, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > red china (no longer allowed to be referred to as communist so i will say) > --excuse me, "trading partner"--(this post is about language)--says "you > need permission from the Chinese government to be reincarnated." > (stated by another delirious one waiting in waiting room) > and then, as he left, "but only as long as supplies last." > --bobbi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:29:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "St. Thomasino" Subject: Conjugation, my love. Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino invites you to Conjugation, my love. The Nick Piombino Interview: http://www.argotistonline.co.uk/Piombino%20interview.htm Two poems e in Italian translation di Gherardo Bortolotti: http://gammm.org/index.php/2007/09/07/tops-tilting-st-thomasino/ The Guido Boys: http://www.pindeldyboz.com/gstguido.htm Excerpt from a work in progress: http://www.ghotimag.com/St%20Thomasino.htm Here with a narrative in progress: http://thepostmodernromantic.blogspot.com/ And then there was the blog-auxiliary: http://eratio.blogspot.com/ And have you seen e=B7ratio lately? http://www.eratiopostmodernpoetry.com e=B7ratio is reading for poetry for issue 10, the fall 2007 issue. Conjugation, my love. Gregory Vincent St. Thomasino e=B7= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:46:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Book Review Comments: To: british-irish-poets@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Winks reviews Jos=E9 Kozer, Stet: Selected=20 Poems, translated by yours truly, at Brooklyn=20 Rail. I couldn't have done a better job myself. Mark http://www.brooklynrail.org/2007/9/books/poetry-labyrinthine-fuges ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:58:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Sitka Center MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) Sitka Center for Art and Ecology http://www.sitkacenter.org JOB: Executive Director Status: Regular, Full time, exempt position Starting Salary: $55,000 - 60,000 annually DOE, plus contributions toward insurance Applications due: September 24, 2007 BACKGROUND & SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY Located on the central Oregon coast at Cascade Head Ranch near the Salmon River estuary, within view of the Pacific Ocean, Sitka Center is at the nexus - a place where diverse people and ideas converge, co-mingle, and depart transformed. The dreams of the founders have grown into year-round programs that engage individuals in the creative investigation of art, ecology, and the space in between. Founded in 1970, Sitka Center for Art and Ecology fosters creative inquiry and education. The Sitka Center offers a workshop program each season from April - October with over 80 classes offered in natural sciences to the arts. During the fall and spring, the Sitka Center sponsors a residence program drawing artists, writers, and natural scientists from all over the world as residents. To accomplish this, Sitka Center maintains a facility appropriate to its needs in harmony with the inspirational coastal environment of Cascade Head. The organization currently has a staff of 3 and an annual operational budget of $450,000. The Executive Director is the chief executive officer for Sitka Center and is responsible to nurture and carry forward the mission and strategic vision of the organization through fundraising, program development, and maintaining a close partnership with the Board of Directors, major donors, and the community at the Coast. This is a high level position and requires someone with the following experience and characteristics: *Proven successful leadership experience, preferably working with a non-profit organization *A curiosity about the world with an interest and respect for current issues *Demonstrated ability to lead, support and motivate a staff as a collaborative leader *Ability to oversee the smooth functioning of a Center that hosts a complex schedule of frequent events *A desire and ability to actively promote the Sitka Center to supporters, community partners, and potential funders *Great written and oral communication skills, including some public speaking *A proven ability to listen mindfully *Experience developing and running programs *Able to move to the Oregon coast to be a part of the local community To Apply: Please submit a detailed letter showing your passion for the mission of the Sitka Center and why you should be the next Executive Director, as well as names of 4 references and a resume to: bh@tacs.org with "the Sitka Center" in the title by September 24th at 5:00. Or by mail to: TACS 1001 SE Water St, Suite 490, Portland, OR 97214. Attn Bob Hazen, the Sitka Center. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:51:35 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: mid)rib issue 1 now online! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://midribpoetry.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: midribinfo@midribpoetry.com Date: Sep 12, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: mid)rib issue 1 now online! We're pleased to announce the inaugural issue of mid)rib. It is the mid)rib staff's hope to foster an international voice for experimental poetics. We hope you'll take as much pleasure in reading the work of our contributors as we have. In the issue you'll find new work from an eclectic group of writers, including: Tomas S. Butkus, Joel Chace, Regina Derieva, Anna Fulford, H.T. Harrison, Scott Hartwich, Beth Joselow, Kerry Shawn Keys, Amy King, Sarah Maclay, Nicholas Messenger, Bonnie Jean Michalski, Matt Reiter, Susan M. Schultz, Lauren Goodwin Slaughter, Ted Stimpfle and Jim Warner. We welcome your comments and feedback. Please feel free to forward this to any interested parties. Enjoy. Thanks, the mid)rib staff andy martrich, editor gordon faylor, editorial assistant jeremy schevling, art boy/ designer craig czury, contributing editor http://midribpoetry.com/ --- Reviews of I'M THE MAN WHO LOVES YOU Matt Hart / Coldfront Magazine http://reviews.coldfrontmag.com/2007/06/im_the_man_who_.html Mark Lamoureux / BOOG City http://static.scribd.com/docs/kflyu7ufa6w1n.swf Nick Piombino / fait accompli http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_03_18_archive.html Thomas Fink / Galatea Resurrects http://galatearesurrection6.blogspot.com/2007/05/im-man-who-loves-you-by-amy-king.html ~ Recent Review of ANTIDOTES FOR AN ALIBI Adam Fieled / Stoning the Devil http://adamfieled.blogspot.com/2007/05/book-review-amy-king-antidote-for-alibi.html ~ What To Wear During An Orange Alert? http://wearduringorangealert.blogspot.com/2007/07/writers-corner_12.html ~ http://www.amyking.org/blog ---- --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:08:34 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: Derivative of the Moving Image Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed After years of toil, the University of New Mexico Press is releasing my first book, Derivative of the Moving Image. It will be out around October 5th and can be pre-ordered through Amazon or the Press http://www.unmpress.com/Book.php?id=11519572582983 (Yeah!) Please, if you are in NY. come to a book party in Greenpoint, Brookyln. There will be wine, beer, and fabulous company! Nov. 9th 7-9 PM Word 126 Franklin Street Brooklyn, NY 11222 718.383.0096 www.wordbrooklyn.com Jennifer Bartlett _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe. Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:58:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: PARSER - New Poetry and Poetics Subject: Announcing PARSER lpls fwd] MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ================================== P A R S E R : New Poetry & Poetics May 2007 | Issue 1 Editor: Roger Farr Advisory Editor: Reg Johanson No friend of the Standards, PARSER is a journal of poetry and poetics with a penchant for anarchism. PARSER wants to help extend your social horizon. But PARSER wants you to read PARSER first. Writing by: - Alice Becker-Ho - Alfredo Bonanno - Roger Farr - P. Inman - Reg Johanson - Wolfi Landstreicher - Dorothy Trujillo Lusk - John McHale - Aaron Vidaver - Rita Wong $10 until the end of 2007. $12 in the future. To: PARSER Box 2684 Stn Terminal Vancouver, BC CANADA V6B 3W8 w: http://www.parsermag.org e: parser@shaw.ca ================================== ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ PARSER: New Poetry and Poetics c/o FORM Box 2684 Stn Terminal Vancouver, BC V6B 3W8 CANADA < http://www.parsermag.org > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:03:59 -0700 Reply-To: linda norton Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: linda norton Subject: poetry and war Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/petraeus-on-betray-us-and-if/#comment-124370 Petraeus quotes Kipling, and bloggers (I used two pseudonyms) respond with poetry & analysis. http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/about.html L. E. N. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:14:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adam Subject: Got a book in Print? Let's LIBRARY it! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Run, don't walk, to your local libraries. Ok, you can call as well. But go! Let us help each other by going to or calling as many libraries as we can in our area and asking them to purchase books we have published. There are interest groups (such as one composed of writers who publish cat books) who increase their sales by making library requests, en masse, for each book a member publishes. So, I am asking, please go to or call the libraries near you and ask them to order The Phoenix and the Dragon by Adam Byrn Tritt, from Smithcraft Press. More info can be found at http://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Dragon-Poems-Alchemical-Transformation/dp/0979 393507/ Then, let us all know what book WE should all go and request at the library. Let's not just publish but let's make some actual money from our art and effort. Thank you, Adamus www.adamtritt.com www.adamusatlarge.blogspot.com www.writerscafe.org/profile/Adamus/ www.myspace.com/saintadamus No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.15/1003 - Release Date: 9/12/2007 10:56 AM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:31:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: Ampersand listing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ampersand listing -- Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:35:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Best of the Web - Question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A while ago, a few months to be exact, I saw a posting for an anthology of the best of the web's poetry. Might anyone be able to tell me when the deadline is for nominations? Your time will be much appreciated. Regards, Alexander Jorgensen -- Marcus Aurelius: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:37:14 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Allegrezza Subject: Series A in Chicago: Corey and Willner Comments: To: Holdthresh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Come listen to Evan Willner and Joshua Corey read their poetry this Tuesday, Sept. 18th, at 7:00 at Series A, a series located at the Hyde Park Art Center in Chicago (5020 S. Cornell). BYOB. For more information, see http://www.moriapoetry.com/seriesa.html or call 312-342-7337. Joshua Corey keeps a blog on poetry and poetics at joshcorey.blogspot.com, and he is the author of two full-length poetry books, Selah (Barrow Street Press, 2003) and Fourier Series (Spineless Books, 2005), as well as two chapbooks: Compos(t)ition Marble (Pavement Saw Press, 2006) and Hope & Anchor (Noemi Press, forthcoming). He lives in Evanston and teaches English and creative writing at Lake Forest College. Evan Willner is the author of a 7450-syllable apparatus, "homemade traps for new world Brians" (BlazeVOX [books], 2007), parts of which have been published recently in 6x6 and Jubilat. Having earned a Ph.D. in English at oston University, he now teaches at DePaul University. Bill Allegrezza series A curator p.s. Please feel free to share this notice! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:58:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "T. A. Noonan" Subject: Re: Best of the Web - Question In-Reply-To: <897879.99293.qm@web54605.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Alexander, If you're referring to the Best of the Net Anthology, the deadline was August 31st. You might try emailing Erin Elizabeth Smith, the managing editor, to see if she'll still take your nominations. Here's all the info you need: Site: http://www.sundress.net/bestof/ Email: bestofthenet [at] sundress [dot] net Regards, T.A. Noonan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:28:57 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: Bob Grumman MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bob Grumman's great effort: http://bobgrumman.com/FromHaikuToLyriku/index.html go for it! Anny Ballardini http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=poetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:14:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: diode - #1 In-Reply-To: <190641.55200.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit “Enter diode, teeming with ‘poetry that excites and energizes. . . . poetry that uses language that crackles and sparks.’ We set out to find poetry that creates an arc between writer and reader, an arc that hums with the live current of language.” http://www.diodepoetry.com/ Includes work by Chris Abani, Laura McCullough, Rick Barot, Amy King, Bob Hicok, Frankie Drayus, Allison Titus & Rob Schlegel, Julie Doxsee & Mathias Svalina, Eve Rifkah, Peter Jay Shippy, Suzanne Frischkorn, Jake Adam York, Susan Settlemyre Williams, Tara Moyle, Matthew Wills, Karen Schubert, Carmen Gimenez Smith, Joshua Ware, Rich Murphy, and Didi Menendez. http://www.diodepoetry.com/v1n1/index.html --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:30:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello, September events approach! Also, Workshops! Your Pal, The Poetry Project=20 MONDAY, September 24, 8pm HETTIE JONES & JOAN LARKIN Hettie Jones=B9s twenty books for children and adults include her memoir of the Beat scene, How I Became Hettie Jones; the poetry collection Drive, which won the Poetry Society of America=B9s Norma Farber Award; Big Star Fallin=B9 Mama, Five Women in Black Music, honored by the New York Public Library; and No Woman No Cry, a memoir she authored for Bob Marley=B9s widow, Rita. Just published are From Midnight to Dawn, the Last Tracks of the Underground Railroad (with Jacqueline Tobin), and a third poetry collection= , Doing 70. Jones is the former Chair of the PEN Prison Writing Committee, and the editor of Aliens at the Border, a poetry collection from her workshop at the Bedford Hills Correctional Facility. Joan Larkin=B9s most recent collection is My Body: New and Selected Poems (Hanging Loose Press). Previous books include Cold River (which received a 1997 Lambda Award),and Sor Juana=B9s Love Poems (translated with Jaime Manrique). Larkin co-founded Out & Out Books during the feminist literary explosion of the 70=B9s. She has served as poetry editor for the queer journal Bloom and co-edits the University of Wisconsin Press autobiography series, =B3Living Out.=B2 Her anthology of coming-out stories, A Woman Like That, was nominated for Publishing Triangle and Lambda awards for nonfiction. In her fourth decade of teaching writing, she teaches in the low-residency MFA program in Poetry at New England College. =20 WEDNESDAY, September 26, 8pm LISA JARNOT & SPARROW Lisa Jarnot was born in Buffalo, New York and now lives in Queens. She is the author of three full-length collections of poetry: Some Other Kind of Mission, Ring of Fire, and Black Dog Songs. Her biography of poet Robert Duncan is forthcoming from University of California Press. Her fourth full-length collection of poetry is forthcoming from Flood Editions. She is a teacher and a blogger. Sparrow is in the midst of his fifth campaign for President. He lives in Phoenicia, New York with his wife, Violet Snow, and his daughter Sylvia. Behind their house, an elderly rabbit named Bananacak= e resides in a rustic hutch. Sparrow writes the gossip column for the Phoenicia Times. (He invents all the gossip.) Sparrow's books are Republica= n Like Me: a Diary of My Presidential Campaign, Yes, You ARE a Revolutionary! and America: A Prophecy -- the Sparrow Reader (all on Soft Skull Press). FRIDAY, September 28, 10pm MASHA TUPITSYN & NORA, a film. =20 Masha Tupitsyn is a fiction writer and feminist critic who lives in New Yor= k City. She received her MA in Literature and Cultural Theory from the University of Sussex in England. Her fiction and criticism has been published or is forthcoming in the anthology Wreckage of Reason: XXperimental Women Writers Writing in the 21st Century, Make/Shift, and Bookforum, among other places. Beauty Talk & Monsters, her first book, is a collection of film-based stories recently published by Semiotext(e). She is currently working on her new book, Showtime. Masha=B9s reading will be accompanied by a screening of Nora, a short narrative by Portland-based artists Holly Andres and Grace Carter, in which an afternoon encounter between two lovers plays out in an unusual fashion. The film examines gende= r roles in terms of sexuality, power, violence and commerce by using tools of the classic suspense/thriller genre, most notably Hitchcock's Psycho. Pleas= e visit them online at http://hollyandres.com/ & http://gracecarterfilms.com. WRITING WORKSHOPS AT THE POETRY PROJECT: =20 BASIC AND BOLD: LOGOS R US =AD PATRICIA SPEARS JONES TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 9TH =20 Every writer finds a niche, a gesture, the thing that works in what they do= . At some point it may become a style or convention. Sometimes it becomes a crutch. One way to break the mode is to be radical=8Bthat is, return to the roots. What brought you to poetry in the first place? This is a workshop for writers who want to re-look at how the structure and elements of poetry provide the wherewithal to make poems that are as ambitious, thoughtful and innovative as you want them to be. There will be in class writing, assignments, reading, and a revision project called =8BCAN THIS POEM BE SAVED?=8B in which you bring a poem that simply has not come to closure; seem= s to be stuck; or needs to be looked at by fresh eyes in the hope of finding what could make it work. This workshop is geared toward writers who have been seriously writing for some time. Please submit 5-8 pages of poetry an= d a brief description of what you=B9d like to accomplish in the workshop by September 28. African American poet, playwright and cultural commentator, Patricia Spears Jones is author of two collections, Femme du Monde and The Weather That Kills. =20 POETRY LAB: FORMS OF JOYFUL EXPERIMENTATION =AD TODD COLBY FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 12TH In this workshop we'll forge new paths to the poem by investigating how far a poem can depart from being =B3a poem=B2 and yet still be a poem. We'll experiment with breath, heartbeat, movement, blogs, the alchemy of words, visions, letters to the editor, spontaneity, psychoanalysis, collaborations= , appropriations and self-hypnosis, along with various traditional forms. The main objective is to create a supportive and inviting atmosphere in our joyfully experimental "Lab." A partial reading list will include: Hannah Weiner, Jacques Lacan, Gertrude Stein, Diane Williams, David Markson, Miranda July, Thomas Bernhard, Bill Knott, Arthur Rimbaud, Alice Notley, Mina Loy, Charles Olson, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort, all of which were published by Soft Skull Press. =20 WORLDLY AND INFINITELY DIMENSIONAL: A WORKSHOP =AD RACHEL LEVITSKY SATURDAYS AT 12PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 13 =20 In these times, the possibilities by which we may amplify, record, document= , display, shape, formulate, and publish words increases daily. Although expanded media and its wide reach are in themselves a meaningful fact of ou= r times, they don=B9t necessarily enhance a poetry=B9s resonance. How do we, and by we I mean both ourselves as ones and ourselves as groups, best construct and perform our poetries so as to be present in these particular times and yet open to the infinite possibilities of =B3projection,=B2 =B3conception,=B2 =B3performance=B2? Familiarizing ourselves with poets like Abigail Child, Julie Patton, Cecilia Vicu=F1a, Bob Dylan, Linton Kwesi Johnson (some will be visiting the workshop), we will consider all means available and any means necessary to project living works into our world. Individually and collaboratively we=B9ll construct performances, visual works, sound events, improvisations, etc. Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem) and is the founder and co-editor of Belladonna Books. =20 =20 The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall spring and fall classes= . Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212)674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Fall Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:02:18 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jane Sprague Subject: list & books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello List, I'm writing because it's been a long time since I've written to this = list and it used to occupy a certain space in my life & mind and what = I've really wanted to say is something along the lines of I've missed = you, List, and where oh where are the people? But, of course, you, we, the collective, us, are out there, reading, = lurking, whatevering, wandering in blogland maybe. So, hello. It's been a while. And I have a question (and the beginning of an answer which I hope = people might feel compelled to add their own answer/s). What are you reading? Poetry or not. I am reading one of those excellent MIT Press books called = _Participation_ which gathers essays, writings, curatorial statements = and various things about art & performance, installation and etc. in one = book. There are a bunch of these in the series and I think they're = pretty great. Also, _Performa: New Visual Art Performance_ by Roselee Goldberg about = her (somewhat) newly formed curatorial nonprofit entity of the same name = devoted to the study, archiving, and the making possible of various = kinds of performance.=20 _What Began Us_, Melissa Buzzeo (Leon Works, 2007) The journal Soft Targets, v.2.1 and a great many essays and other kinds of texts I'm asking students to = consider as they work on their own compositions. And you? -Jane ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:04:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Re: list & books In-Reply-To: <003b01c7f66a$e66fc780$6b00a8c0@toshibauser> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peter Hessler's Oracle Bones. Much worth the read for anyone interested in studying China. Wow. Shenzhen, behind its fences and guard towers - Alexander Jorgensen Jane Sprague wrote: Hello List, I'm writing because it's been a long time since I've written to this list and it used to occupy a certain space in my life & mind and what I've really wanted to say is something along the lines of I've missed you, List, and where oh where are the people? But, of course, you, we, the collective, us, are out there, reading, lurking, whatevering, wandering in blogland maybe. So, hello. It's been a while. And I have a question (and the beginning of an answer which I hope people might feel compelled to add their own answer/s). What are you reading? Poetry or not. I am reading one of those excellent MIT Press books called _Participation_ which gathers essays, writings, curatorial statements and various things about art & performance, installation and etc. in one book. There are a bunch of these in the series and I think they're pretty great. Also, _Performa: New Visual Art Performance_ by Roselee Goldberg about her (somewhat) newly formed curatorial nonprofit entity of the same name devoted to the study, archiving, and the making possible of various kinds of performance. _What Began Us_, Melissa Buzzeo (Leon Works, 2007) The journal Soft Targets, v.2.1 and a great many essays and other kinds of texts I'm asking students to consider as they work on their own compositions. And you? -Jane -- Marcus Aurelius: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:05:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Ah MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ah The tinkling of a glass of champagne, o lucky couple the next car over A snatch of a Russian folk-song, hummed by an expectant mother behind me The humming of the rails across endless plateaus, poplars in the distance A murmur of twittering birds in the flying snow of dawn The thrumming of a guitar and endless cheers and toasts Sleighs and horses' white breath and full speed ahead A man raises a monocle, a woman smiles slowly, her book upon her lap A young girl sketches the passing landscape, death is in her eyes Sweating furiously, the surly playwright stands in the open-air car Comets and rainbows, something is about to happen http://www.asondheim.org/grit1.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/grit2.mp3 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:35:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: barbara jane bermeo Subject: Re: list & books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been reading graphic novels: American Born Chinese by Gene Luen Yang, and "Ramadan" by Neil Gaiman in The Sandman: Fables and Reflections. Oh, and I've started Nathaniel Mackey's Splay Anthem. ---------- http://barbarajanereyes.com http://poetaensanfrancisco.blog-city.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:47:02 +1200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Salmon Subject: The Water Cure Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Okay it's not totally poetry, but there's some odd poetry in it. Has anybody read Percival Everett's new novel(?) The Water Cure? Curious to hear some opinions. It's a great metaphor for US foreign policy. Dan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:15:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Halvard Johnson Subject: Re: Ah In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit choo ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:05:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jessica Wickens Subject: Call for Submissions - Monday Night Issue 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Monday Night, a journal of literature and art, is now accepting submissions for Issue 7 (Summer 2008). We publish quality prose and poetry from new and emerging writers from across the country and around the world. Monday Night is distributed at independent bookstores and sold on our website. For more information and to view past issues, visit our website: http://www.mondaynightlit.com Read from our contents page to see if your work would be a good fit, or better yet, order a copy for yourself and for each of your friends. Reading an issue will give you the best picture of our highly inconsistent and unpredictable tastes. GUIDELINES Please follow our guidelines carefully. You can also find them on our website. If you still have questions, write to the editors at mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. POETRY: Send up to five poems. All styles are welcome. PROSE: Fiction, nonfiction, and essays up to 5,000 words. Send up to 3 pieces of prose. Translations are welcome in all genres. PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED WORK: NO. NEVER. We accept unpublished work only. This includes online publications. Repeat: if you have published the piece in any online or print journal, do not submit it to Monday Night. We do an internet search for all pieces that we accept for publication, to make sure they do not appear anywhere else. Please be honest and respect our parameters. SIMULTANEOUS SUBMISSIONS: YES. We do accept simultaneous submissions, but please inform us if/when your work is accepted elsewhere, so we can remove it from consideration. HOW TO SUBMIT: Email all submissions to the editors at mondaynightlit@yahoo.com. Your submissions should be in one doc, rtf, or pdf file attached to your email. Please title or label all your work clearly within the document. Your name and contact info should also appear on your submission. Your email message should include your name, contact info, the titles of your submissions and whether they are fiction, poetry or non-fiction. We do not confirm receipt of each submission; please follow up by email if you have any questions or concerns. DEADLINE: December 15, 2007 RESPONSE TIME: Up to four months. We will respond to all submissions by February 2008. The reading period ends on Dec. 15, 2007, and we aim to make our final decisions by the end of January 2008. PAYMENT: Each published writer will receive two copies of the issue in which their work appears. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:33:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: list & books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan Williams, Blackbird Dust A collection of Hildegaard Von Bingen's wrintings Manimekhalai, Merchant-Prince Shattan The Complete Poems of John Keats Howling at the Moon, Hagiwara Sakutaro Active Liberty, Stephen Breyer Hannah Weiner's Open House, Hannah Weiner SOMEHOW, Burt Kimmelman Uncertain Poetries, Michael Heller Gerald Schwartz http://geocities.com/legible5roses Hello List, I'm writing because it's been a long time since I've written to this list and it used to occupy a certain space in my life & mind and what I've really wanted to say is something along the lines of I've missed you, List, and where oh where are the people? But, of course, you, we, the collective, us, are out there, reading, lurking, whatevering, wandering in blogland maybe. So, hello. It's been a while. And I have a question (and the beginning of an answer which I hope people might feel compelled to add their own answer/s). What are you reading? Poetry or not. I am reading one of those excellent MIT Press books called _Participation_ which gathers essays, writings, curatorial statements and various things about art & performance, installation and etc. in one book. There are a bunch of these in the series and I think they're pretty great. Also, _Performa: New Visual Art Performance_ by Roselee Goldberg about her (somewhat) newly formed curatorial nonprofit entity of the same name devoted to the study, archiving, and the making possible of various kinds of performance. _What Began Us_, Melissa Buzzeo (Leon Works, 2007) The journal Soft Targets, v.2.1 and a great many essays and other kinds of texts I'm asking students to consider as they work on their own compositions. And you? -Jane ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:41:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: angela vasquez-giroux Subject: Re: list & books In-Reply-To: <905455.71226.qm@web82713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "The Gospel of Mary Magdalene", "M: The Man Who Would Be caravaggio"--Peter Robb, "Decreation"--Anne Carson, "Waiting"--Ha Jin, last week's Sunday NY Times On 9/14/07, barbara jane bermeo wrote: > > I've been reading graphic novels: American Born > Chinese by Gene Luen Yang, and "Ramadan" by Neil > Gaiman in The Sandman: Fables and Reflections. > > Oh, and I've started Nathaniel Mackey's Splay Anthem. > > ---------- > > http://barbarajanereyes.com > http://poetaensanfrancisco.blog-city.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:21:46 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Anny Ballardini Subject: the Poets' Corner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The present update of the Poets' Corner is in memoriam of Evelyn Posamentier's grandmother, her father's mother, born on this day. *Peter Ciccariello* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D252 *Nicholas Manning* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D253 *Bill Lavender* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D254 *Jesse Glass* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D255 *Katherine Durham Oldmixon* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D256 *Christina Vega-Westhoff* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D257 *S=E9amas Cain* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D258 *M**=E1**rton K**opp=E1ny* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D259 *Joe Green* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D260 *Evelyn Posamentier* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D261 *New poems by already featured Poets:* *Aldo Tambellini* Black Painting Series =96 1 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D1976 Black Painting Series =96 2 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D1977 Black Painting Series =96 3 http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D1978 *Dennis Barone* Percorso or the Rook, the Rampant Lion and the Crown http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D1981 *Tad Richards' **Episodes* continue with situations http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3DContent&pa=3Dlist_pages_catego= ries&cid=3D67 *Barry Alpert* A VALPARAISO [via Joris Ivens, Chris Marker, & P. Guzman] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2030 AIMLESS WALK (1930) [via Alexandr Hackenschmied] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2031 BELLE TOUJOURS [via Manoel de Oliveira] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2032 THE BLOOD [via Pedro Costa] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2033 BENOIT JACQUOT DIT http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2034 THE FALSE SERVANT [via Benoit Jacquot & Pierre de Marivaux] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2035 MARIANNE [via Benoit Jacquot & Pierre de Marivaux] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2036 MUSICIAN KILLER [via Benoit Jacquot & F. Dostoyevsky] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2037 TOSCA [via Benoit Jacquot] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2038 ELVIRE JOUVET 40 [via Benoit Jacquot] http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2039 *James Cervantes* from Mr. Bondo's Unshared Life http://www.fieralingue.it/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pid=3D2064 *Under Poets on Poets:* * * *Tran Da Tu *introduced and translated by* Linh Dinh* http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetsonpoets&pa=3Dlist_pages_c= ategories&cid=3D75 Toy for Future Children http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D212 Fragmented War http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D213 So Long Tuong http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D214 Standing http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D215 Writing Poetry Tirelessly http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D216 Love Tokens http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D217 The complete version of *EURIPIDES' HIPPOLYTOS*: a modern performance version by *Jon Corelis * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D219 Jon Corelis, unlike Pirandello, is looking for a acting company to stage hi= s wonderful translated work. And finally *David Howard*'s poetry will soon be set to music by the Italia= n composer: *Claudio Vaira* who liked my translated poem: *Rivisitando la piazza della chiesa* _Revisiting Church Square, and compared Howard's poetr= y to Quasimodo's. For the occasion I translated several other poems selected by David Howard and collected them under the title: *Poems for Claudio Vair= a * http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D220 and Part II http://www.fieralingue.it/modules/poetsonpoets/corner.php?pa=3Dprintpage&pi= d=3D221 For the drafting of my lists I follow the order by which Poets send me thei= r poems, and I thank every one for having accepted my invitation. As I said o= n various occasions, I feel as if it was my personal privilege to receive you= r contributions. Special thanks to Vanni and his team, especially to Eleonora= , Massimo and Andrea, webmasters & co. With my best wishes for a wonderful and fruitful fall, *Anny Ballardini* http://annyballardini.blogspot.com/ http://www.fieralingue.it/modules.php?name=3Dpoetshome http://www.moriapoetry.com/ebooks.html I Tell You: One must still have chaos in one to give birth to a dancing star! Friedrich Nietzsche ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:22:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: SUBMISSIONS: Just Like a Girl MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just Like a Girl: A Manifesta! The latest offering from GirlChild Press is intended to be a rough and tumble, sassy, wickedly clever kick-ass anthology. Where Growing Up Girl: An Anthology of Voices from Marginalized Spaces was a meditation on the state of girlhood; Just Like a Girl is meant to highlight the clever girls, the funny girls, the girls who don't ask for permission and take up as much room as they damn well like. Submission Details Deadline: September 30, 2007 The anthology is open to any subject matter. Work is especially welcomed from new and emerging writers. Contributors may submit up to three pieces. Essays and short stories should be no longer than 3,000 words. Poems should have the contributor's name on each page. Sci-fi is encouraged! Electronic Mail Send your work to: girlchildpress@aol.com Attachments should be titled with your name and the email subject should be Just Like a Girl. Snail Mail Michelle Sewell GirlChild Press PO Box 93 Hyattsville, MD 20781 Please include a brief bio and a mailing address. Contributors will receive a copy of the anthology and the opportunity to read at the official Spring 2008 booksigning. For more information on Michelle Sewell and the press check out http://www.girlchildpress.com. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:39:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: brian whitener Subject: reading.... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi jane, thanks for that call to collectivity... and for all your great publishing work daniel borzutzky the ecstasy of capitulation (one of the more productive negative feelings texts jasper bernes starsdown (LA dervied by marx and simmel? still trying to think through this amazing book john preston my life as a pornographer (especially for the accounts of pre aids sex clubs in new york take care, brian ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:50:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kevin thurston Subject: Re: list & books In-Reply-To: <8f6eafee0709140841p296b5027wf1747bb32faf5ff4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline - *barbara cole* 'foxy moron' - *da levy (et al)* 'UKANHAVYRFUCKINCITIBAK' - *the tiny* 'the tiny 3' - *anselm berrigan* 'some notes on my programming' - *michael kelleher* 'to be sung' - *abraham lincoln* 'abraham lincoln' - *p. inman* 'red shift' - *eugene ionesco* 'notes & counter-notes' - *jay millar* 'demented poems I-X' - *alli warren* 'cousins' - *eileen myles* 'on my way' On 9/14/07, angela vasquez-giroux wrote: > > "The Gospel of Mary Magdalene", "M: The Man Who Would Be > caravaggio"--Peter > Robb, "Decreation"--Anne Carson, "Waiting"--Ha Jin, last week's Sunday NY > Times > > On 9/14/07, barbara jane bermeo wrote: > > > > I've been reading graphic novels: American Born > > Chinese by Gene Luen Yang, and "Ramadan" by Neil > > Gaiman in The Sandman: Fables and Reflections. > > > > Oh, and I've started Nathaniel Mackey's Splay Anthem. > > > > ---------- > > > > http://barbarajanereyes.com > > http://poetaensanfrancisco.blog-city.com > > > -- author of How to Irritate Friends & Isolate People http://fuckinglies.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:41:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Amy Goodwin "Debate essential to Arab-Israeli Peace" & MuzzleWatch Updates/Petition for Nadia Abu El-Haj MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Debate Essential To Arab-Israeli Peace By Amy Goodman September 13, 2007, The Seattle Post-Intelligencer http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/331388_amy13.html I sat down with former President Carter last week at the Carter Center in Atlanta. The center was hosting a conference of human-rights defenders, people at the front lines confronting repressive regimes around the globe. After a quarter-century of humanitarian work through the Carter Center, monitoring elections, working to eradicate neglected tropical diseases and focusing on the poor, Jimmy Carter now finds himself at the center of the storm in the Israel- Palestine conflict. After more than three decades of work on the Middle East, Carter released a book titled Palestine: "Peace Not Apartheid." The book's title alone has created a furor. But Carter is undeterred: "The word 'apartheid' is exactly accurate. This is an area that's occupied by two powers. They are now completely separated. Palestinians can't even ride on the same roads that the Israelis have created or built in Palestinian territory. The Israelis never see a Palestinian, except the Israeli soldiers. The Palestinians never see an Israeli, except at a distance, except the Israeli soldiers. So within Palestinian territory, they are absolutely and totally separated, much worse than they were in South Africa, by the way. And the other thing is, the other definition of 'apartheid' is, one side dominates the other. And the Israelis completely dominate the life of the Palestinian people." Carter lays much of the blame for the lack of momentum toward a solution on the absence of debate in the U.S.: "It's a terrible human-rights persecution that far transcends what any outsider would imagine. And there are powerful political forces in America that prevent any objective analysis of the problem in the Holy Land. I think it's accurate to say that not a single member of Congress with whom I'm familiar would possibly speak out and call for Israel to withdraw to their legal boundaries or to publicize the plight of the Palestinians or even to call publicly and repeatedly for good faith peace talks." As president, Carter brokered the 1978 Camp David Peace Accords, creating a lasting peace between Israel and Egypt. President Clinton, who officiated over the failed 2000 Camp David Summit between Israel and the Palestinians, has been highly critical of Carter's perspective. Clinton blames the Palestinian leadership for rejecting Israel's "generous offer." It's interesting that Israel's chief negotiator, former Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, told me in 2006, "If I were a Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David as well." While we were in Atlanta, DePaul University in Chicago reached a settlement with professor Norman Finkelstein. Despite hailing him as a "prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher," DePaul denied him tenure, many believe because of his outspoken criticism of Israeli policy toward Palestinians. The son of Holocaust survivors himself, Finkelstein has been praised by leading scholars. Just months before he died, Raul Hilberg, revered founder of the field of Holocaust studies, praised Finkelstein's work: "That takes a great amount of courage. His place in the whole history of writing history is assured and that those who in the end are proven right triumph, and he will be among those who will have triumphed, albeit, it so seems, at great cost." Open debate on Israel-Palestine should not come at such a high cost. It is essential to Middle East peace. The Iraq Study Group, in its bipartisan Baker-Hamilton Report, stated, "The United States will not be able to achieve its goals in the Middle East unless the United States deals directly with the Arab-Israeli conflict." Carter's book cover has a picture of the "Separation Barrier." Israel originally designed the wall to run along the internationally recognized 1967 border. Carter noted that Israel decided to "move the wall from the Israeli border to intrude deeply within Palestine to carve out some of that precious land for the Israeli settlers to occupy." The International Court of Justice has ruled it illegal. It is more than half completed, with plans to snake more than 400 miles, mainly through the West Bank. In places the wall is more than 25 feet high and made of concrete. Carter describes it as "much worse" than the Berlin Wall. Elder Israeli peace activist Uri Avnery writes: "When my friends fall prey to despair, I show them a piece of painted concrete, which I bought in Berlin. It is one of the remnants of the Berlin Wall, which are on sale in the city. I tell them that I intend, when the time comes, to apply for a franchise to sell pieces of the Separation Wall." That barrier stands in the United States as well " metaphorically " around any kind of rational debate for a fair and just solution in the Middle East. My suggestion: Tear down that wall. [Amy Goodman is the host of "Democracy Now!," a daily international TV/radio news hour airing on 500 stations in North America.] _____________________________________________ Portside aims to provide material of interest to people on the left that will help them to interpret the world and to change it. Submit via email: moderator@portside.org Submit via the Web: portside.org/submit Frequently asked questions: portside.org/faq Subscribe: portside.org/subscribe Unsubscribe: portside.org/unsubscribe Account assistance: portside.org/contact Search the archives: portside.org/archive MuzzleWatch Jewish Voices for Peace Update Petition for Nadia Abu El-Haj is below this, and also is contained in the article about her case "MuzzleWatch" - 1 new article 1. After Finkelstein: Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton supporter, pressures Ob= ama 2. More Recent Articles 3. Search MuzzleWatch After Finkelstein: Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton supporter, pressures Obama The conservative daily, The New York Sun reports that Alan Dershowitz is pressuring Barack Obama to sever ties with former Carter security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski because he defended Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer's book, "The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy". In fact, once informed that an Obama ad appeared on the Amazon page advertising the book, the Obama campaign had it removed. The Sun reports: Amid a firestorm over an initial working paper Messrs . Mearsheimer and Walt published last year on the Israel lobby, Mr. Brzezinski rose to their defense, even as he demurred on the question of whether he agreed with their central arguments. The authors, he wrote in the journal Foreign Policy, "have rendered a public service by initiating a much-needed public debate on the role of the ' Israel lobby' in the shaping of U.S. foreign policy." Mr. Obama's campaign took the opposite route earlier this week when notified that an ad for its Web site appeared on the Amazon.com page of the Mearsheimer-Walt book. The campaign immediately removed the ad, saying its placement was unintentional, and issued a statement saying Mr. Obama believed the arguments in the book were "just wrong." "I'm glad he's done that, but now he has to dissociate himself from Brzezinski," Mr. Dershowitz said in an interview yesterday. He said the Mearsheimer-Walt book was "a bigoted attack on the American Jewish community" and that Mr. Brzezinski's comments in Foreign Policy last year amounted to an endorsement. Harvard law professor and gadfly Alan Dershowitz, who supports Hillary Clinton's candidacy and gave $1,000 to her campaign, also accused Brezinski of anti-Israel rhetoric, highlighting his criticism of Israel's bombing of Lebanon last year. In response, the Obama campaign released a statement from one of its top supporters in the Jewish community, Rep. Robert Wexler of Florida. " Barack Obama has been a consistent supporter of Israel and this is an unfortunate case of a fabricated controversy for political reasons," he said. "I speak with him often on Israel policy, and I can tell you firsthand that Barack Obama is opposed to the arguments presented in this book." =95 Email to a friend =95 Article Search =95 Related =95 View comments = =95 Track comments =95 [Rate 'After Finkelstein: Alan Dershowitz, a Clinton supporter, pressures Obama'] More Recent Articles * U Michigan press stops distribution of Kovel's Overcoming Zionism * Nadia Abu El-Haj "witch-hunt" at Barnard: is Shulamit Reinharz a "racist" or just "curious?" * Finkelstein settles with DePaul, fight continues for Larudee * Update on Rubinstein: New Israel Fund in UK Promotes Free Speech * Ha'aretz's Danny Rubinstein in hot water: says Israel is "apartheid state" at UN conference Grant Nadia Abu El-Haj Tenure View Current Signatures - Sign the Petition To: Columbia University/Barnard College We the undersigned strongly endorse the tenure case of Nadia Abu El-Haj at Barnard college. We completely reject every unsubstantiated allegation made in the related petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/barnard/) to deny Ms. Abu El-Haj tenure. Moreover, we wish to register that we find to be deplorable such unsubstantiated attacks on the autonomy of free academic inquiry and academic self-government from outside the academy. Ms. Abu El-Haj's work has undergone peer review and has been published by a premier academic press (University of Chicago) and it stands on its own merits, which have been widely recognized in the academic community. We believe that these attacks on Ms. Abu El-Haj are part of an orchestrated witch-hunt (reminiscent of course of McCarthyism) against politically unpopular ideas. We also believe that Ms. Abu El-Haj has been singled out from among many other authors who make the same points essentially because of her last name, thus, we suspect that something like simple ethnic prejudice is at issue here. Sincerely, The Undersigned View Current Signatures The Grant Nadia Abu El-Haj Tenure Petition to Columbia University/Barnard College was created by and written by Paul Manning (paulmanning@trentu.ca). This petition is hosted here at www.PetitionOnline.com as a public service. There is no endorsement of this petition, express or implied, by Artifice, Inc. or our sponsors. For technical support please use our simple Petition Help form. share: blogger del.icio.us digg facebook furl reddit slashdot send to a friend Send Petition to a Friend - Petition FAQ - Start a Petition - Contributions - Privacy - Media Kit - Comments and Suggestions PetitionOnline - DesignCommunity - ArchitectureWeek - Great Buildings - Sea= rch http://www.PetitionOnline.com/Barnard2/petition.html dg ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:34:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Re: list & books In-Reply-To: <003b01c7f66a$e66fc780$6b00a8c0@toshibauser> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Jane - thanks for your great question to the list! I'm in medias res the just out posthumous "novel" by H.D. titled The Sword Went Out to Sea, subtitled "Synthesis of a Dream by Delia Alton" (one of H.D.'s pseudonyms) insightfully introduced and edited by Cynthia Hogue and Julie Vandivere. A mind-blowing entrance into the workings of H.D.'s head as she travels the occult, envisioning simultaneities of history and myth. An ardent feminist call against war. Also just finished Infidel by Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The Inheritance of Loss by Anita Desai - transporting descriptive skills - class in India and among NYC illegals. Every Goodbye Ain't Gone: Anthology of Innovative Poetry by African Americans ed. by Aldon Lynn Nielsen and Lauri Ramey. And revisiting Charles Wright's Collected Poems. (and, yes, the time-consuming NYTimes)! Best, Charlotte On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Jane Sprague wrote: Hello List, What are your reading? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:03:59 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: list & books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Bartender, I'll have what he's having." ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to see, explore. I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pieces. Thanks in advance, Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:53 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jerome Rothenberg Subject: New book: 3 Poems after Images by Nancy Tobin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following is new and not in general circulation, but it can be had = through Small Press Distribution, as follows: THREE POEMS AFTER IMAGES BY NANCY TOBIN =20 Author: Jerome Rothenberg Cover: PAPERBACK Pub Date: 01 July 2007 Publisher: Hawk's Well Press ISBN 10: 1-887123-77-6 ISBN 13: 978-1-887123-77-8 =20 Price: $15.00 =20 The latest of Jerome Rothenberg's many collaborations with artists, = Three Poems takes off from Nancy Tobin's brilliantly colored and = constructed paintings, to create a mutual celebration of the familiar = and familial. The initiatory act here follows from Tobin's = quasi-abstract images and her assessment of the mysteries and = revelations that her art provides her: =20 I construct both my paintings and works on paper as a dialogue between=20 the representational and ornamental; which party gets the last word = remains a mystery until the composition is complete. I start with = painted or drawn=20 images, then literally cut them down to size with scissors before = reassembling the components on painted panels or into "quilted" paper = compositions that I treat with successive layers of paint, ink and = polymer. This break-'em-down-to-build-'em-up methodology is my way of capturing = moments in an expanding universe. Representation is as powerful as it = futile. Any tableau is illusory; even mountains are in constant flux. = Particles decay, light bends, and perceptions alter with each = recollection. My technique in turn encourages the viewer to approach each work with a = forensic eye: to examine the constituent parts and try to reconstruct = their pedigree, then step in and take in the totality of color and form. The layers I create fade into opacity, however firmly each is fixed in = memory. Try to peel them back with your eyes, and you'll reach a new = level each time. =20 Three Poems after Images by Nancy Tobin also marks the resuscitation of = Jerome Rothenberg's Hawk's Well Press, an important poetry project of = the 1960s and 70s. =20 Printed with three full-color reproductions and book design by Nancy = Tobin. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:38:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: richard owens Subject: BILL GRIFFITHS (1948-2007) In-Reply-To: <4E90161C-7D2B-4FA6-805A-AD1A70CC3C15@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit British poet and scholar Bill Griffiths was found dead in his home today. Tom Raworth reported earlier that Griffiths was found dead in his home with the television, radio and a computer on. Aside from running Aram and Pirate Press, Griffiths was an Anglo-Saxon scholar educated at King's College, London, where after receiving his PhD he cataloged the Eric Mottram archive. His first poems were published in the 1970s, in the Poetry Review then under the editorship of Eric Mottram. He was part of and heavily influenced by Bob Cobbing's Writers' Forum. In short, he did a lot, was part of a lot and helped to promote the work of others through his own various imprints. For those unfamiliar with his work, Salt brought out Mudfort, a selected poems, a couple of years back. There is also the Salt Companion to Bill Griffiths, a collection of essays on and interviews with Griffiths. The companion is edited by William Rowe and both the companion and Mudfort are still available. heavy loss / sad day. Bill was a generous man and its a shame to see him exit out so early. thanks to Matt Chambers for bringing this terrible news to my attention. RO ........richard owens 810 richmond ave buffalo NY 14222-1167 damn the caesars, the journal damn the caesars, the blog --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:59:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Bill Griffiths Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed via Tom Raworth's website: "Bill Griffiths A short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickard at dawn: I=92m =20= assuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was a genuine in a poetic and =20 academic world of mostly arseholes. he was in hospital last week but discharged himself and went to =20 do his dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but felt so ill he went =20 yem half way through. I think it was a heart attack as he was found =20 with the radio and tv and computer on. He=92ll be badly missed=96such an = =20 asset to this region and a good comrade, like they say. We exchanged notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the =20 Mordern Tower: his last words: Well, the first year we had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd =20 year about 20 genuine callers, this year=85whee knaas? Perhaps a riot =20= over how to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and =20 arrows arc-ing ower the ramparts. Assuming I get there myself. Prostate seems to be growing =20 unduly, my photo must be on every CCTV in every public convenience in =20= the region. Am due an op =93in the next six months=94 but they have a =20= grand sense of humour up here. Hope celebrity Cambridge suits ye still. A friend=92s mother lives =20= in Trumpington, which is a bend in the road and a few houses and an =20 admirable church. She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that! Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday, seeya oneday Bill We won=92t, Bill: and I fucking regret it." Here's his Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffiths ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Denis Johnson has just published a new novel, The Tree of Smoke. I love the guys work. Anyone read Jesus' Son, or his poetry collected in The Incognito Lounge? He's in the same league with Jim Harrison and Paul Auster. These 3 are visionary authors. They've each written major work in fiction and poetry, as well as first rate short stories and plays. Great writers. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=97Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed FYI _______________________________________________ My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for. Gerhard Richter Begin forwarded message: > Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=97Johns Hopkins=20 > University Oct. 24-27 2007 > > > With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel=20= > discussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of=20 > Callaloo's thirty years of continuous publication will bring together=20= > a group of the USA's best creative writers, intellectuals, academics,=20= > and artists to launch the journal into the next thirty years.=A0=A0Some = of=20 > the more than 100 creative writers and scholars who will be reading=20 > and engaging in public discussions on writing creative texts and=20 > writing on these and other texts and the culture from which they=20 > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Lucille Clifton, Thadious Davis,=20= > Eddie Glaude,=A0=A0Brent Edwards, Thomas Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, = Farah=20 > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunyakaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule=20 > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal, Carl Phillips, Tracy K.=20= > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and many others. > > Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns=20 > Hopkins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration=20 > information, and the conference program.=A0=A0We hope to see you = there. > > =97Callaloo Conference Planning Committee > > http://web.jhu.edu/africana > http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html > http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619 > > THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO > > October 24-27, 2007 > > Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University=20 > Baltimore, Maryland > > WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24 > > 7:00 PM > > Welcome=97Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns > Hopkins University) > > Master of Ceremony:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africana=20= > Studies, > Johns Hopkins University) > > The Occasion:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, = Chapel=20 > Hill) > > Comments & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M=20 > University, College Station) > > 7:30 PM=97Keynote Conversation: Black Studies, the Academy, &=20 > Contemporary Black Communities > > MC:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III > > Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James Turner (Cornell=20 > University), William Strickland (University of Massachusetts,=20 > Amherst), Wahneema H. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzette Spencer=20 > (University of Wisconsin, Madison) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Farah Griffin, Columbia University > > THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 > > 9:00-10:30 AM=97Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after = (Almost)=20 > Twenty Years > > Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed=20 > (University of California, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke=20 > University), Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), &=20 > Fred=A0=A0Moten (Duke University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College = Station) > > 11:00-12:30 PM=97African American Literary Studies and the Feminist=20 > Critique after The Color Purple > > Panel:=A0=A0Susan Fraiman=A0=A0(University of Virginia), Daphne Brooks=20= > (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall,=20 > (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts at=20 > Lowell), Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carmen=20 > Gillespie (Bucknell University) > > Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University) > > 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch > > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA > > Panel:=A0=A0Tour=E9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State University),=20= > Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill), Martha=20 > Southgate (Brooklyn College), &=A0=A0David Wright (University of = Illinois,=20 > Urban-Chapaign) > > Moderator:=A0=A0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington) > > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading > > Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson > > MC:=A0=A0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins University) > > 8:00 PM=97Fiction & Poetry Readings > > Readers:=A0=A0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille = Clifton=A0=A0(St.=20 > Mary's College, Maryland) > > MC:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) > Welcome: David Taft Terry > Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum > > FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26 > > 9:00-10:30 AM=97Querying the Black Diaspora > > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies=20 > (Cornell University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin),=20 > Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer=20= > (University of Wisconsin) > > Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station) > > 11:00-12:30 PM=97Caribbean Writers in the United States: Other Black=20= > Diasporas > > Presentation:=A0=A0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg) > > Panel:=A0=A0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance = (University=20 > of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York,=20 > Binghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (State of=20= > New York, Binghamton) > > Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marcos) > > 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch > > > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA > > Presentation:=A0=A0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College) > > Panel:=A0=A0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra > Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae Van-Clief > Stefanon,=A0=A0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina State University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Dante Micheaux (New York University) > > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movement in = the=20 > USA > > Presentation:=A0=A0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University) > > Respondents:=A0=A0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), David = Lionel=A0=A0Smith=20 > (Williams College), Gene Andrew Jarrett (Boston University), James=20 > Edward Smethurst (University of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Meta D.=20= > Jones (University of Texas, Austin) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Margo Natalie Crawford (Indiana University, = Bloomington) > > 8:00 PM=97Poetry Readings > > Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa=20= > (New York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St.=20 > Louis) > > Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Johns Hopkins=20 > University > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27 > > 9:30-10:30 AM=97Academic Editing and Publishing:=A0=A0The Johns = Hopkins=20 > University Press > > One representative from the Book Division > One representative from the Journals Division > > 11:00-12:00 PM=97Callaloo's Art > > Panel:=A0=A0Cherise Smith (University of Texas), Annette Lawrence = (North=20 > Texas State University, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=20= > Houston), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum,=20 > Houston),=A0=A0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & = Meta=20 > Ewa Jones > > Moderator:=A0=A0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&M University, College = Station) > > 12:00-1:30 PM=A0=A0 Lunch > > 2:00-3:30 PM=97Poets Reading > > Van Jordan (University of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of=20= > Vermont), Tracy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin=20 > (University of Massachusetts),=A0=A0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon=20= > University) > > MC:=A0=A0Kyle G. Dargan (American University) > > > 5:30-7:00 PM=97Final Keynote Conversation / African American Literary=20= > and Cultural Studies:=A0=A0The Present and the Future > > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas,=20 > Austin), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright=20 > (University of Minnesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon=20= > Ross (University of Virginia), Fred Moten (Duke University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania) > > 7:30-8:00 PM=97Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman > > Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman > > MC:=A0=A0Kyle Dargan > > 8:15-9:30 PM=97Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks > > Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.) > > Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson,=20= > Director of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry=20= > Rowell, Editor of Callaloo > > 9:30 PM-Until=97Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues > > Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:29:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: theory. the real. death. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed theory. the real. death. Torture is senseless violence, born in fear. The purpose of it is to force from one tongue, amid its screams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret of _everything._ Senseless violence: whether the victim talks or whether he dies under his agony, the secret that he cannot tell is always some- where else and out of reach. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus. If he puts _the question_ at all, he will have to continue forever. Sartre (in the afterword to Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958) Experiment solitary touching the impossibility of annihilation. 100. There is nothing more certain in nature than that it is impossible for any body to be utterly annihilated; but that as it was the work of the omnipotency of God to make somewhat of nothing, so it requireth the like omnipotency to turn somewhat into nothing. And therefore it is well said by an obscure writer of the sect of the chemists, that there is no such way to effect the strange transmutations of bodies, as to endevour and urge by all means the reducing of them to nothing. And herein is contained also a great secret of preservation of bodies from change; for if you can prohibit, that they neither turn into air, because no air cometh to them; nor go into the bodies adjacent, because they are utterly heterogeneal; nor make a round and circulation within themselves; they will never change, though they be in their nature never so perishable or mutable. from Francis Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum or A Natural History, 1627 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Truscott Subject: September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Dear friends of the Test Reading Series, Indeed, it's been a while. We are now ready, however, to unveil the first three months of the fall season of our programming, beginning this coming Thursday of all days. Yikes. Please mark those calendars. Thursday, 20 September 2007, 8:00 p.m. (note new start time) SEAN BONNEY and FRANCES KRUK (bios below) Mercer Union, A Centre for Contemporary Art 37 Lisgar Street, Toronto Free, free as the wind (though we still take donations) More info, links to samples of our readers' work, and recordings of previous readings at www.testreading.org. Thanks, as always, to the good people at Mercer Union for the support. Why not visit them online (www.mercerunion.org) to see what they're up to? Coming up: 25 October: Trevor Joyce and the Max Middle Sound Project 29 November: Oana Avasilichioaei and Angela Carr Hope to see you there, Mark ************************** SEAN BONNEY's selected poems, Blade Pitch Control Unit, were published by Salt in 2005. Since then he has produced Document:Hexprogress, Black Water and an ongoing set of versions of Baudelaire. His work has been translated into French, Spanish, and Icelandic. He lives in London and edits the lo-fi press yt communication with Frances Kruk. FRANCES KRUK is a dual Polish-Canadian ex-pat currently undertaking doctoral research at the University of London (UK). She works in noise, words, and paint, and edits yt communication with Sean Bonney. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beard of Bees Press is proud to present Life & Style by Marie Buck, a chapbook consisting of poems constructed with language from MySpace profiles--language that has, in turn, been rendered into the poetic forms & styles of such poets as Wyatt & Dickinson. These poems will make you giddy, or your money back! http://www.beardofbees.com/buck.html Yours, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:07 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William James Austin Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Shit!!=C2=A0 Another "brilliant" gone to ground.=C2=A0 We'll miss you, Bill.= =C2=A0 Best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: mIEKAL aND To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:59 pm Subject: Bill Griffiths via Tom Raworth's website:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Bill Griffiths=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickard at dawn: I=E2=80=99m= assuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was a genuine in a poetic and academi= c world of mostly arseholes.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 he was in hospital last week but discharged himself and went to do hi= s dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but felt so ill he went yem half way=20= through. I think it was a heart attack as he was found with the radio and tv= and computer on. He=E2=80=99ll be badly missed=E2=80=93such an asset to thi= s region and a good comrade, like they say.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We exchanged notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the Mordern T= ower: his last words:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Well, the first year we had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd year=20= about 20 genuine callers, this year=E2=80=A6whee knaas? Perhaps a riot over=20= how to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and arrows arc-i= ng ower the ramparts.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Assuming I get there myself. Prostate seems to be growing unduly, my=20= photo must be on every CCTV in every public convenience in the region. Am du= e an op =E2=80=9Cin the next six months=E2=80=9D but they have a grand sense= of humour up here.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hope celebrity Cambridge suits ye still. A friend=E2=80=99s mother li= ves in Trumpington, which is a bend in the road and a few houses and an admi= rable church. She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 seeya oneday=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bill=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We won=E2=80=99t, Bill: and I fucking regret it."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here's his Wikipedia page:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffiths=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:57:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 In-Reply-To: <8155e3e481570ec8e64c84eab668da46@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" hey, me too, Gerhard Richter. thanks a lot. love, bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Tisa Bryant To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:19 pm Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Jo hns Hopkins U= niversity Oct. 24-27 2007 FYI=C2=A0 _______________________________________________=C2=A0 =C2=A0 My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gerhard Richter=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Begin forwarded message:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Johns Hopkins > Uni= versity Oct. 24-27 2007=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel > dis= cussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of > Callaloo's thirt= y years of continuous publication will bring together > a group of the USA's= best creative writers, intellectuals, academics, > and artists to launch th= e journal into the next thirty years.=C2=A0=C2=A0Some of > the more than 100= creative writers and scholars who will be reading > and engaging in public=20= discussions on writing creative texts and > writing on these and other texts= and the culture from which they > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Luci= lle Clifton, Thadious Davis, > Eddie Glaude,=C2=A0=C2=A0Brent Edwards, Thoma= s Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, Farah > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunya= kaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal,=20= Carl Phillips, Tracy K. > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and=20= many others.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns > Hopk= ins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration > information, an= d the conference program.=C2=A0=C2=A0We hope to see you there.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > =E2=80=94Callaloo Conference Planning Committee=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > http://web.jhu.edu/africana=C2=A0 > http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html=C2=A0 > http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > October 24-27, 2007=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University > Balt= imore, Maryland=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 7:00 PM=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Welcome=E2=80=94Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns= =C2=A0 > Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Master of Ceremony:=C2=A0=C2=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africa= na > Studies,=C2=A0 > Johns Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > The Occasion:=C2=A0=C2=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Cha= pel > Hill)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Comments & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M > University,= College Station)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 7:30 PM=E2=80=94Keynote Conversation: Black Studies, the Academy, & > Cont= emporary Black Communities=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > MC:=C2=A0=C2=A0Ben Vinson III=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James Turner (Cornell > Univer= sity), William Strickland (University of Massachusetts, > Amherst), Wahneema= H. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzette Spencer > (University of Wisconsin,= Madison)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Farah Griffin, Columbia University=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 9:00-10:30 AM=E2=80=94Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after (Almo= st) > Twenty Years=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed > (Universit= y of California, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke > University), Zita Nune= s (University of Maryland, College Park), & > Fred=C2=A0=C2=A0Moten (Duke Un= iversity)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College Stati= on)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 11:00-12:30 PM=E2=80=94African American Literary Studies and the Feminist=20= > Critique after The Color Purple=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel:=C2=A0=C2=A0Susan Fraiman=C2=A0=C2=A0(University of Virginia), Daphn= e Brooks > (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall, >= (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts at > Lowell)= , Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carmen > Gillespie (Buc= knell University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 12:30-1:30 PM=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lunch=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=E2=80=94Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel:=C2=A0=C2=A0Tour=C3=A9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State Universit= y), > Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill), Martha > So= uthgate (Brooklyn College), &=C2=A0=C2=A0David Wright (University of Illinoi= s, > Urban-Chapaign)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington)=C2= =A0 >=C2=A0 > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=E2=80=94Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > MC:=C2=A0=C2=A0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 8:00 PM=E2=80=94Fiction & Poetry Readings=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Readers:=C2=A0=C2=A0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille Clifton= =C2=A0=C2=A0(St. > Mary's College, Maryland)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > MC:=C2=A0=C2=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill)= =C2=A0 > Welcome: David Taft Terry=C2=A0 > Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 9:00-10:30 AM=E2=80=94Querying the Black Diaspora=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies > (Cornell= University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin), > Zita Nunes (Un= iversity of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer > (University of Wisc= onsin)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 11:00-12:30 PM=E2=80=94Caribbean Writers in the United States: Other Black= > Diasporas=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Presentation:=C2=A0=C2=A0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel:=C2=A0=C2=A0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance (Univer= sity > of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York, > B= inghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (State of > New Yo= rk, Binghamton)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marcos)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 12:30-1:30 PM=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lunch=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=E2=80=94Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Presentation:=C2=A0=C2=A0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College)=C2= =A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel:=C2=A0=C2=A0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra= =C2=A0 > Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae Van-Clief=C2=A0 > Stefanon,=C2=A0=C2=A0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina State University)=C2= =A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Dante Micheaux (New York University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=E2=80=94Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movement in=20= the > USA=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Presentation:=C2=A0=C2=A0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Respondents:=C2=A0=C2=A0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), David Lionel= =C2=A0=C2=A0Smith > (Williams College), Gene Andrew Jarrett (Boston Universi= ty), James > Edward Smethurst (University of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Me= ta D. > Jones (University of Texas, Austin)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Margo Natalie Crawford (Indiana University, Blooming= ton)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 8:00 PM=E2=80=94Poetry Readings=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa > (N= ew York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. > Louis)= =C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Johns Hopkins > Univer= sity=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 9:30-10:30 AM=E2=80=94Academic Editing and Publishing:=C2=A0=C2=A0The John= s Hopkins > University Press=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > One representative from the Book Division=C2=A0 > One representative from the Journals Division=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 11:00-12:00 PM=E2=80=94Callaloo's Art=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel:=C2=A0=C2=A0Cherise Smith (University of Texas), Annette Lawrence (N= orth > Texas State University, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,= > Houston), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum, > Houston),= =C2=A0=C2=A0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & Meta > Ewa= Jones=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&M University, College Sta= tion)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 12:00-1:30 PM=C2=A0=C2=A0 Lunch=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 2:00-3:30 PM=E2=80=94Poets Reading=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Van Jordan (University of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of > V= ermont), Tracy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin > (Univers= ity of Massachusetts),=C2=A0=C2=A0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon > Univer= sity)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > MC:=C2=A0=C2=A0Kyle G. Dargan (American University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 5:30-7:00 PM=E2=80=94Final Keynote Conversation / African American Literar= y > and Cultural Studies:=C2=A0=C2=A0The Present and the Future=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas, > Austin= ), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright > (University of Min= nesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon > Ross (University of Vi= rginia), Fred Moten (Duke University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Moderator:=C2=A0=C2=A0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 7:30-8:00 PM=E2=80=94Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > MC:=C2=A0=C2=A0Kyle Dargan=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 8:15-9:30 PM=E2=80=94Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson, > Dir= ector of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry > Rowell,= Editor of Callaloo=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 9:30 PM-Until=E2=80=94Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:31:57 -0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Weishaus Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Stephen: I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a walk. = You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk = with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. = Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan = wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one = with Allan on the first page of Reality Dreams: = http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm Best, Joel Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using = the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into = Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that = emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available = to see, explore. =20 I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal = pieces. =20 Thanks in advance, =20 Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:56:27 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Seena Liff Subject: Re: POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007 (#2007-257) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm reading Daniel Deronda, by George Eliot. Before that, I read The Moonstone, by Wilkie Collins, before that, Wives and Daughters, and Cranford, by Elizabeth Gaskell. - Seena ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:12:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Frustration MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Frustration Two crystal radios (crs) in parallel through the same antenna/ground system. The larger, older one is in the box and can fine-tune through a vario- coupler, loose coupler, and now an air condenser. The output is drawn from the larger. The system is increasingly frustrating and baroque, more and more stations are picked up, the tuning peaks are sharper, the sensitivity and amplitude much greater. Everything is passive and metal, except for the diodes - two in parallel for the older cr, one for the newer. It's frustrating. The output is always similar, content-dependent, and I'm not interested in content, or rather the content of the wave-envelopes - interference, noise, static, and spherics included. But the frustration - the content dominates, so I've now thrown filter after filter at it, reducing everything to nonsense, nothing but spew. Why listen? Because it's a symptom of frustration. The cr itself is of interest - every inductor has resistance and capaci- tance, every capacitor has inductance and resistance, every resistor has inductance and capacitance. But there are no resistors, only a small rf choke. I arrange and rearrange components, trying for the highest q- factor (filter sharpness), the loudest output. Sometimes a clip loosens and everything changes for the better or worse. Sometimes my hand brushes a coil and things change again. Reverse the clips, antenna/ground or the diodes, and things change yet again. Nothing's predictable, but the q and amplitude tends towards the same old thing. If I look for a signal in the noise beneath the signals, it's canceled out even in the noise. Or some- times not; you can hear straight-forward voices in the middle of crs.mp3, even with all the manipulation. Again, it's metal come to life, arrangements of metal, nothing else, even the earphones are coils and magnets and thin metal diaphragms. There's none of the interiority of electronics, vacuum tubes, solid state, except for the diodes of course. Use a razor-blade diode, and even the solid- state's eliminated. And manipulation of the output? Reverberation, hiss filters, hard limit- ing, normalizing, equalizing. To no point at all except to eliminate my own nausea. This might have been a search for aesthetic pleasure; instead it's grounded in an impossible novelty - what with the tuning coils and capacitor, cr sound is narrowly defined, almost traditional. I need a violin. I need something. crs1 and crs2 are images of the interior of the older cr, which has now been placed in a box. There's a cat around. cr3 is the second cr on top of the closed box. The fourth file is the mp3. http://www.asondheim.org/crs1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/crs2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/crs3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/crs.mp3 (I wonder in terms of the poetics and phenomenology of the 'thing' here - they lie in arrangements, in channels - stations and noise, etc. are par- asitic, the whole a swirl, entanglement. Listen through the cross-sec- tions. There's also the semiotics of the flesh, the relationship and placements of antennas and grounds, the body, flustered, moving all those coils and dials. The oldest radio sets have a variety of tuning mechanisms - everything balances on everything. I'd say the pleasure quickens fast in all of this, but then, like plate cameras, a kind of exactitude emerges and delight when something after all comes clear. I'm thinking of modeling all of this as a _knot_ in the mathematical sense.) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:53:41 -0700 Reply-To: sanjdoller@gmail.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: sandra de 1913 Subject: 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello friends, 1913 is chipper to announce the winner of The Rozanova Prize: Ward Tietz's outstanding verb'sual book, Hg--The liquid, will receive publication by 1913 Press this coming year. Many sincere thanks to all who entered the contest. All entries were considered for publication by 1913. Each entrant will receive a copy of the book. Best things, de 1913 -- http://www.journal1913.org http://www.1913press.org ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:34:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Martha King Subject: NYC Prose Reading Comments: cc: ENauen@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Poets all - think prose on the first Thursday of the month: =C2=A0 Martha King and Elinor Nauen present =C2=A0 The Prose Pros at Mo=E2=80=99s =E2=80=93 i.e., Mo Pitkin=E2=80=99s House of=20= Satisfaction 34 Avenue A, New York City For directions go www.mopitkins.com or call 212 777 5660 =C2=A0 Prose writers reading new works from 7 =E2=80=93 9 pm. =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 First up:=C2=A0 Thursday, Octo= ber 4 Jocelyn Lieu=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Mort Zachter =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 Jocelyn Lieu is known to East Siders as the author of What Isn=E2=80=99t The= re=C2=A0 (Nation Books), a book that takes us through what happened to us al= l on September 11.=C2=A0 We were here and so was she.=C2=A0 Her shards of na= rrative form a house for our communal grief, free of cant and hysteria.=C2= =A0 An earlier collection, Potential Weapons (Greywolf) garnered praise from= Sherman Alexie and Charles Baxter. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mort Zachter has a very different memory of our neighborhood.=C2=A0 In Dough= (University of Georgia Press) an hilarious and inventively told memoir, he=20= recounts his personal search for the dough of financial security=E2=80=A6and= a family secret based on another version of the stuff.=C2=A0 For some 60 ye= ars his Uncle Harry lived in penury, running a day-old bread store on 9th St= reet.=C2=A0 Out of the blue, Mort inherited the results.=C2=A0 His book, whi= ch won the 2006 AWP Creative Nonfiction Award, takes on the perils of double= life and the many ways money foments cataclysmic changes.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 ADMISSION FREE / CONTRIBUTE GENEROUSLY!=20 All proceeds go to readers.=20 =C2=A0 And look for readings by Hettie Jones, Peter Trachtenberg, Maggie Dubris, Sh= aron Mesmer, Stanley Alpert, Stephanie Dickinson and many more.=C2=A0 Always= something unexpected. 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You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:44:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William Slaughter Subject: Notice: Mudlark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed New and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 70 (2007) Walking with Elihu Poems by Taylor Graham Home Economics, 1825 | Seasons in the Smithy | Adolescent Myths Out of Work | After the Prayer Meeting | A Matter of Pennies Journey's End | Sanskrit | Forging Iron with Coal Author's Note: Elihu Burritt, the Learned Blacksmith (1810-1879), grew up in a poor family in New Britain, Connecticut, and apprenticed himself to the local blacksmith to help support his family. While working full-time at the forge, he taught himself mathematics, astronomy, geography, and about fifty languages. Even though nearly penniless, he took on humanitarian causes and traveled to Europe, where he helped organize international peace congresses. To learn more about the land and people of Britain, especially farming practices, he walked from London to the northern tip of Scotland and then from London to Land's End in the south, and published journals of his walks. He was appointed consular agent at Birmingham, England, by President Lincoln. These poems are from a collection in-progress, working title "Walking with Elihu," which is looking for a publisher. Taylor Graham is a volunteer search-and-rescue dog handler in the Sierra Nevada, and also helps her husband (a retired wildlife biologist) with his field projects. Her poems have appeared in International Poetry Review, The Iowa Review, The New York Quarterly, Poetry International, Southern Humanities Review, and elsewhere, including the anthology California Poetry: From the Gold Rush to the Present (Heyday Books, 2004). Her latest book, The Downstairs Dance Floor (Texas Review Press, 2006), was awarded the Robert Phillips Poetry Chapbook Prize. Taylor Graham's poems, "Cessna Down," "Last Seen at the ATM," "3/5, the Andes by proxy," and her essay, "The Search and the Poem," appeared as Mudlark Poster No. 1 (1997), inaugurating the Mudlark Poster Series. Spread the word. Far and wide, William Slaughter MUDLARK An Electronic Journal of Poetry & Poetics Never in and never out of print... E-mail: mudlark@unf.edu URL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:36:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Machlin Subject: Machlin/Solomon Book Party @ Zinc Bar NYC 9/16 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed JOINT BOOK PARTY/READING FOR TWO NEW UGLY DUCKLING PRESSE RELEASES: DEAR BODY: by Dan Machlin & BLUE AND RED THINGS Laura Solomon Sunday, September 16, 2007 Zinc Bar, 7:00 p.m. 90 West Houston, between LaGuardia & Thompson, NYC ($5 suggested donation goes to the poets) FOR MORE INFO IN THE BOOK AND ORDERING INFO: http://www.uglyducklingpresse.org/page-dearbody.html http://www.uglyducklingpresse.org/page-blueandredthings.html TO REQUEST REVIEW COPIES/PRESS INFORMATION: Email: info@uglyducklingpresse.org DAN MACHLIN was born and raised in New York City. Previous works =20 include several chapbooks: 6x7 (Ugly Duckling Presse), This Side =20 Facing You (Heart Hammer Press), and In Rem (@ Press), as well as =20 Above Islands (Immanent Audio), an audio CD collaboration with singer/=20= cellist Serena Jost. His poems and reviews have appeared in The =20 Poetry Project Newsletter, Talisman, Antennae, Crayon, Soft Targets, =20 Boog Literature and The Brooklyn Rail. Dan is the founding editor and =20= publisher of Futurepoem books, a former contributing editor of The =20 Transcendental Friend and a former curator of The Segue Series at =20 Bowery Poetry Club in NYC. Dear Body: is his first book-length =20 collection of poems. LAURA SOLOMON was born in 1976 in Birmingham, Alabama and spent her =20 childhood in various small towns scattered across the southeast. Her =20 first book, Bivouac, was published by Slope Editions in 2002. Other =20 publications include a chapbook, Letters by which Sisters Will Know =20 Brothers (Katalanche Press 2005), and Haiku of Stones / Haiku des =20 Pierres by Jacques Poullaouec, a translation from the French with =20 Sika Fakambi (Editons Apog=E9e, 2006). Currently she lives in =20 Philadelphia. UGLY DUCKLING PRESSE is a nonprofit art & publishing collective =20 producing small to mid-size editions of new poetry, translations, =20 lost works, and artist's books. The Presse favors emerging, =20 international, and "forgotten" writers with well-defined formal or =20 conceptual projects that are difficult to place at other presses. Its =20= full-length books, chapbooks, artist=92s books, broadsides, magazine =20 and newspaper all contain handmade elements, calling attention to the =20= labor and history of bookmaking.= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:13:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sheila Murphy Subject: Denis Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, When The Incognito Lounge came out (it's named after a place very cl= ose to here), I memorized the whole title poem, and continue to celebrate m= any of the pieces in that book. The feel of the poems included changes acro= ss years, but I have always loved it - just in different ways. I knew Denis= a bit when he was here in the Valley, and joined him and others in a writi= ng group occasionally. =0A=0AHe is indeed poetic and visionary as a novelis= t, as well. Looking forward to the new novel. Well received so far.=0A=0ARe= garding Harrison, his ghazals are splendid, and I've read most of his work,= also. =0A=0AI can see why you are taken with the work of these two, in add= ition to Auster's whose work are less directly familiar to me at this time = (but it won't be too long).=0A=0ASheila Murphy=0A=0A=0A----- Original Messa= ge ----=0AFrom: POETICS automatic digest system =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Saturday, September 15, 200= 7 9:04:52 PM=0ASubject: POETICS Digest - 14 Sep 2007 to 15 Sep 2007 (#2007-= 258)=0A=0A=0AThere are 14 messages totalling 1119 lines in this issue.=0A= =0ATopics of the day:=0A=0A 1. Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster=0A = 2. Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=97Jo hns Hopkins University O= ct.=0A 24-27 2007=0A 3. theory. the real. death.=0A 4. September 20: = Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto)=0A 5. New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook= =0A 6. Bill Griffiths=0A 7. Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80= =94Jo hns Hopkins University Oct.=0A 24-27 2007=0A 8. Walk Poems by Cr= eeley and/or Ginsberg???=0A 9. POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007= (#2007-257)=0A10. Frustration=0A11. 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement=0A1= 2. NYC Prose Reading=0A13. Notice: Mudlark=0A14. Machlin/Solomon Book Party= @ Zinc Bar NYC 9/16=0A=0A-------------------------------------------------= ---------------------=0A=0ADate: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:58 -0700=0AFrom:= steve russell =0ASubject: Denis Johnson/Jim Har= rison/Paul Auster=0A=0ADenis Johnson has just published a new novel, The Tr= ee of Smoke. I love the guys work. Anyone read Jesus' Son, or his poetry co= llected in The Incognito Lounge? He's in the same league with Jim Harrison = and Paul Auster. These 3 are visionary authors. They've each written major = work in fiction and poetry, as well as first rate short stories and plays. = Great writers. =0A=0A =0A---------------------------------=0AYahoo! o= neSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. =0A=0A= ------------------------------=0A=0ADate: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:14 -040= 0=0AFrom: Tisa Bryant =0ASubject: Fwd: Callaloo 30t= h anniversary celebration=3D?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=3D97Jo?=3D hns Hopkins Univers= ity Oct. 24-27 2007=0A=0AFYI=0A____________________________________________= ___=0A=0AMy concern is never art, but always what art can be used for.=0A= =0AGerhard Richter=0A=0A=0A=0ABegin forwarded message:=0A=0A> Subject: Call= aloo 30th anniversary celebration=3D97Johns Hopkins=3D20=0A> University Oct= . 24-27 2007=0A>=0A>=0A> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conver= sations, and panel=3D20=3D=0A=0A> discussions at Johns Hopkins University, = this celebration of=3D20=0A> Callaloo's thirty years of continuous publicat= ion will bring together=3D20=3D=0A=0A> a group of the USA's best creative w= riters, intellectuals, academics,=3D20=3D=0A=0A> and artists to launch the = journal into the next thirty years.=3DA0=3DA0Some =3D=0Aof=3D20=0A> the mor= e than 100 creative writers and scholars who will be reading=3D20=0A> and e= ngaging in public discussions on writing creative texts and=3D20=0A> writin= g on these and other texts and the culture from which they=3D20=0A> derive = include: Carole Boyce Davies, Lucille Clifton, Thadious Davis,=3D20=3D=0A= =0A> Eddie Glaude,=3DA0=3DA0Brent Edwards, Thomas Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glav= e, =3D=0AFarah=3D20=0A> Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunyakaa, Wyhneema= Lubiano, Paule=3D20=0A> Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal, Carl = Phillips, Tracy K.=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wide= man, and many others.=0A>=0A> Please find below links to the Center for Afr= icana Studies at Johns=3D20=0A> Hopkins, the Callaloo conference homepage, = online registration=3D20=0A> information, and the conference program.=3DA0= =3DA0We hope to see you =3D=0Athere.=0A>=0A> =3D97Callaloo Conference Plann= ing Committee=0A>=0A> http://web.jhu.edu/africana=0A> http://callaloo.tamu.= edu/conference.html=0A> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D3D1= 43619=0A>=0A> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO=0A>=0A> October = 24-27, 2007=0A>=0A> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkin= s University=3D20=0A> Baltimore, Maryland=0A>=0A> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24=0A>= =0A> 7:00 PM=0A>=0A> Welcome=3D97Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department o= f English, Johns=0A> Hopkins University)=0A>=0A> Master of Ceremony:=3DA0= =3DA0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africana=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Studies,= =0A> Johns Hopkins University)=0A>=0A> The Occasion:=3DA0=3DA0Trudier Harr= is (University of North Carolina, =3D=0AChapel=3D20=0A> Hill)=0A>=0A> Comme= nts & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M=3D20=0A> University= , College Station)=0A>=0A> 7:30 PM=3D97Keynote Conversation: Black Studies= , the Academy, &=3D20=0A> Contemporary Black Communities=0A>=0A> MC:=3DA0= =3DA0Ben Vinson III=0A>=0A> Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), Jam= es Turner (Cornell=3D20=0A> University), William Strickland (University of = Massachusetts,=3D20=0A> Amherst), Wahneema H. Lubiano (Duke University), & = Suzette Spencer=3D20=0A> (University of Wisconsin, Madison)=0A>=0A> Moderat= or:=3DA0=3DA0Farah Griffin, Columbia University=0A>=0A> THURSDAY, OCTOBER 2= 5=0A>=0A> 9:00-10:30 AM=3D97Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after = =3D=0A(Almost)=3D20=0A> Twenty Years=0A>=0A> Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple= University), Abdul JanMohammed=3D20=0A> (University of California, Berkele= y), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke=3D20=0A> University), Zita Nunes (University of= Maryland, College Park), &=3D20=0A> Fred=3DA0=3DA0Moten (Duke University)= =0A>=0A> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College= =3D=0AStation)=0A>=0A> 11:00-12:30 PM=3D97African American Literary Studie= s and the Feminist=3D20=0A> Critique after The Color Purple=0A>=0A> Panel:= =3DA0=3DA0Susan Fraiman=3DA0=3DA0(University of Virginia), Daphne Brooks=3D= 20=3D=0A=0A> (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall= ,=3D20=0A> (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts a= t=3D20=0A> Lowell), Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carm= en=3D20=0A> Gillespie (Bucknell University)=0A>=0A> Moderator: Cheryl Wall = (Rutgers University)=0A>=0A> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Lu= nch=0A>=0A> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=3D97Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA=0A>= =0A> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Tour=3DE9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State Univers= ity),=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hi= ll), Martha=3D20=0A> Southgate (Brooklyn College), &=3DA0=3DA0David Wright = (University of =3D=0AIllinois,=3D20=0A> Urban-Chapaign)=0A>=0A> Moderator:= =3DA0=3DA0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington)=0A>=0A> 3:30 PM-= 4:30 PM=3D97Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading=0A>=0A> Panel: Emily= Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson=0A>=0A> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Neil Roberts (J= ohns Hopkins University)=0A>=0A> 8:00 PM=3D97Fiction & Poetry Readings=0A>= =0A> Readers:=3DA0=3DA0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille =3D= =0AClifton=3DA0=3DA0(St.=3D20=0A> Mary's College, Maryland)=0A>=0A> MC:=3DA= 0=3DA0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill)=0A> Welcom= e: David Taft Terry=0A> Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum=0A>=0A> FRIDAY,= OCTOBER 26=0A>=0A> 9:00-10:30 AM=3D97Querying the Black Diaspora=0A>=0A> P= anel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies=3D20=0A> (Co= rnell University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin),=3D20=0A> Z= ita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer=3D20=3D= =0A=0A> (University of Wisconsin)=0A>=0A> Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A= &M University, College Station)=0A>=0A> 11:00-12:30 PM=3D97Caribbean Writer= s in the United States: Other Black=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Diasporas=0A>=0A> Presen= tation:=3DA0=3DA0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg)=0A>=0A> Panel:= =3DA0=3DA0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance =3D=0A(Universit= y=3D20=0A> of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York= ,=3D20=0A> Binghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (Stat= e of=3D20=3D=0A=0A> New York, Binghamton)=0A>=0A> Moderator: Nelly Rosario = (Texas State University, San Marcos)=0A>=0A> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0= =3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Lunch=0A>=0A>=0A> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=3D97Writing and Publishing= Poetry in the USA=0A>=0A> Presentation:=3DA0=3DA0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sara= h Lawrence College)=0A>=0A> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Carl Phillips (Washington Unive= rsity, St. Louis), Kendra=0A> Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt= , Lyrae Van-Clief=0A> Stefanon,=3DA0=3DA0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina Stat= e University)=0A>=0A> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Dante Micheaux (New York Universi= ty)=0A>=0A> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=3D97Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movem= ent in =3D=0Athe=3D20=0A> USA=0A>=0A> Presentation:=3DA0=3DA0Sonia Sanchez = (Temple University)=0A>=0A> Respondents:=3DA0=3DA0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers Un= iversity), David =3D=0ALionel=3DA0=3DA0Smith=3D20=0A> (Williams College), G= ene Andrew Jarrett (Boston University), James=3D20=0A> Edward Smethurst (Un= iversity of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Meta D.=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Jones (Univ= ersity of Texas, Austin)=0A>=0A> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Margo Natalie Crawford= (Indiana University, =3D=0ABloomington)=0A>=0A> 8:00 PM=3D97Poetry Reading= s=0A>=0A> Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komuny= akaa=3D20=3D=0A=0A> (New York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington Univ= ersity, St.=3D20=0A> Louis)=0A>=0A> Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts a= nd Sciences, Johns Hopkins=3D20=0A> University=0A>=0A> SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27= =0A>=0A> 9:30-10:30 AM=3D97Academic Editing and Publishing:=3DA0=3DA0The Jo= hns =3D=0AHopkins=3D20=0A> University Press=0A>=0A> One representative from= the Book Division=0A> One representative from the Journals Division=0A>=0A= > 11:00-12:00 PM=3D97Callaloo's Art=0A>=0A> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Cherise Smith (= University of Texas), Annette Lawrence =3D=0A(North=3D20=0A> Texas State Un= iversity, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Hous= ton), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum,=3D20=0A> Houston),= =3DA0=3DA0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & =3D=0AMeta= =3D20=0A> Ewa Jones=0A>=0A> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&= M University, College =3D=0AStation)=0A>=0A> 12:00-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0 Lunch= =0A>=0A> 2:00-3:30 PM=3D97Poets Reading=0A>=0A> Van Jordan (University of T= exas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Vermont), Tracy = K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin=3D20=0A> (University of = Massachusetts),=3DA0=3DA0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon=3D20=3D=0A=0A> U= niversity)=0A>=0A> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Kyle G. Dargan (American University)=0A>=0A= >=0A> 5:30-7:00 PM=3D97Final Keynote Conversation / African American Litera= ry=3D20=3D=0A=0A> and Cultural Studies:=3DA0=3DA0The Present and the Future= =0A>=0A> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas,= =3D20=0A> Austin), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright=3D2= 0=0A> (University of Minnesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon= =3D20=3D=0A=0A> Ross (University of Virginia), Fred Moten (Duke University)= =0A>=0A> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania)=0A= >=0A> 7:30-8:00 PM=3D97Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman=0A>=0A> I= ntroduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman=0A>=0A> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Kyle Dargan=0A>=0A>= 8:15-9:30 PM=3D97Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks=0A>=0A> Dinner (Co= nference participants and invited guests.)=0A>=0A> Closing Remarks: Kyle Da= rgan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson,=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Director of Afr= icana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry=3D20=3D=0A=0A> Rowel= l, Editor of Callaloo=0A>=0A> 9:30 PM-Until=3D97Loving Callaloo/Stomping th= e Blues=0A>=0A> Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc.=0A>=0A=0A-= -----------------------------=0A=0ADate: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:29:32 -0400= =0AFrom: Alan Sondheim =0ASubject: theory. the real.= death.=0A=0Atheory. the real. death.=0A=0A=0ATorture is senseless violence= , born in fear. The purpose of it is to force=0Afrom one tongue, amid its s= creams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret=0Aof _everything._ Senseles= s violence: whether the victim talks or whether=0Ahe dies under his agony, = the secret that he cannot tell is always some-=0Awhere else and out of reac= h. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus.=0AIf he puts _the question_ = at all, he will have to continue forever.=0A=0ASartre (in the afterword to = Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958)=0A=0AExperiment solitary touching the impo= ssibility of annihilation.=0A=0A100. There is nothing more certain in natur= e than that it is impossible=0Afor any body to be utterly annihilated; but = that as it was the work of the=0Aomnipotency of God to make somewhat of not= hing, so it requireth the like=0Aomnipotency to turn somewhat into nothing.= And therefore it is well said=0Aby an obscure writer of the sect of the ch= emists, that there is no such=0Away to effect the strange transmutations of= bodies, as to endevour and=0Aurge by all means the reducing of them to not= hing. And herein is contained=0Aalso a great secret of preservation of bodi= es from change; for if you can=0Aprohibit, that they neither turn into air,= because no air cometh to them;=0Anor go into the bodies adjacent, because = they are utterly heterogeneal;=0Anor make a round and circulation within th= emselves; they will never=0Achange, though they be in their nature never so= perishable or mutable.=0A=0Afrom Francis Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum or A Natura= l History, 1627=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0ADate: Fri, 14 S= ep 2007 21:33:45 -0400=0AFrom: Mark Truscott =0A= Subject: September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto)=0A=0ADear friends = of the Test Reading Series,=0A=0AIndeed, it's been a while. We are now read= y, however, to unveil the=0Afirst three months of the fall season of our pr= ogramming, beginning=0Athis coming Thursday of all days. Yikes.=0A=0APlease= mark those calendars.=0A=0AThursday, 20 September 2007, 8:00 p.m. (note ne= w start time)=0ASEAN BONNEY and FRANCES KRUK (bios below)=0AMercer Union, A= Centre for Contemporary Art=0A37 Lisgar Street, Toronto=0AFree, free as th= e wind (though we still take donations)=0A=0AMore info, links to samples of= our readers' work, and recordings of=0Aprevious readings at www.testreadin= g.org.=0A=0AThanks, as always, to the good people at Mercer Union for the s= upport.=0AWhy not visit them online (www.mercerunion.org) to see what they'= re up=0Ato?=0A=0AComing up:=0A=0A25 October: Trevor Joyce and the Max Middl= e Sound Project=0A29 November: Oana Avasilichioaei and Angela Carr=0A=0AHop= e to see you there,=0A=0AMark=0A=0A**************************=0A=0ASEAN BON= NEY's selected poems, Blade Pitch Control Unit, were published=0Aby Salt in= 2005. Since then he has produced Document:Hexprogress,=0ABlack Water and a= n ongoing set of versions of Baudelaire. His work has=0Abeen translated int= o French, Spanish, and Icelandic. He lives in=0ALondon and edits the lo-fi = press yt communication with Frances Kruk.=0A=0AFRANCES KRUK is a dual Polis= h-Canadian ex-pat currently undertaking=0Adoctoral research at the Universi= ty of London (UK). She works in=0Anoise, words, and paint, and edits yt com= munication with Sean Bonney.=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0ADate:= Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0500=0AFrom: Eric Elshtain =0ASubject: New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook=0A=0ABeard of Bees Pr= ess is proud to present Life & Style by Marie Buck, a chapbook =0Aconsistin= g of poems constructed with language from MySpace profiles--language =0Atha= t has, in turn, been rendered into the poetic forms & styles of such poets = as =0AWyatt & Dickinson. =0A=0AThese poems will make you giddy, or your mo= ney back!=0A=0Ahttp://www.beardofbees.com/buck.html=0A=0AYours,=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AEric Elshtain=0AEditor=0ABeard of Bees Press=0Ahttp://www.beardofbees= .com=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:= 08:07 -0400=0AFrom: William James Austin =0ASubject: = Re: Bill Griffiths=0A=0AShit!!=3DC2=3DA0 Another "brilliant" gone to ground= .=3DC2=3DA0 We'll miss you, Bill.=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0 Best, Bill=0A=0A-----Orig= inal Message-----=0AFrom: mIEKAL aND =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.B= UFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:59 pm=0ASubject: Bill Griffiths=0A=0A= =0Avia Tom Raworth's website:=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A"Bill Griffiths=3DC2= =3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AA short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickar= d at dawn: I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m=3D=0Aassuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was= a genuine in a poetic and academi=3D=0Ac world of mostly arseholes.=3DC2= =3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 he was in hospital last week but discharged= himself and went to do hi=3D=0As dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but = felt so ill he went yem half way=3D20=3D=0Athrough. I think it was a heart = attack as he was found with the radio and tv=3D=0Aand computer on. He=3DE2= =3D80=3D99ll be badly missed=3DE2=3D80=3D93such an asset to thi=3D=0As regi= on and a good comrade, like they say.=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AWe exchanged= notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the Mordern T=3D=0Aower:= his last words:=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 Well, the first year w= e had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd year=3D20=3D=0Aabout 20 genuine c= allers, this year=3DE2=3D80=3DA6whee knaas? Perhaps a riot over=3D20=3D=0Ah= ow to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and arrows arc-i= =3D=0Ang ower the ramparts.=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 Assuming I get there mys= elf. Prostate seems to be growing unduly, my=3D20=3D=0Aphoto must be on eve= ry CCTV in every public convenience in the region. Am du=3D=0Ae an op =3DE2= =3D80=3D9Cin the next six months=3DE2=3D80=3D9D but they have a grand sense= =3D=0Aof humour up here.=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 Hope celebrity Cambridge su= its ye still. A friend=3DE2=3D80=3D99s mother li=3D=0Aves in Trumpington, w= hich is a bend in the road and a few houses and an admi=3D=0Arable church. = She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that!=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 = Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday,=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3D= A0 seeya oneday=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0 Bill=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AWe won= =3DE2=3D80=3D99t, Bill: and I fucking regret it."=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A= Here's his Wikipedia page:=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0Ahttp://en.wikipedia.org= /wiki/Bill_Griffiths=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A____________________________________= ____________________________________=0AEmail and AIM finally together. You'= ve gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http=3D=0A://mail.aol.com=0A=0A--------= ----------------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:57:25 -0400=0AFrom= : Bobbi Lurie =0ASubject: Re: Callaloo 30th annivers= ary celebration=3D?utf-8?Q?=3DE2=3D80=3D94Jo?=3D hns Hopkins University Oct= . 24-27 2007=0A=0Ahey, me too, Gerhard Richter. thanks a lot. love, bobbi= =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Tisa Bryant =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:19 pm=0ASu= bject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3DE2=3D80=3D94Jo hns Hopk= ins U=3D=0Aniversity Oct. 24-27 2007=0A=0A=0AFYI=3DC2=3DA0=0A______________= _________________________________=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AMy concern is ne= ver art, but always what art can be used for.=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0AGerh= ard Richter=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0ABegin forwarded message:= =3DC2=3DA0=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration= =3DE2=3D80=3D94Johns Hopkins > Uni=3D=0Aversity Oct. 24-27 2007=3DC2=3DA0= =0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures= , conversations, and panel > dis=3D=0Acussions at Johns Hopkins University,= this celebration of > Callaloo's thirt=3D=0Ay years of continuous publicat= ion will bring together > a group of the USA's=3D=0Abest creative writers, = intellectuals, academics, > and artists to launch th=3D=0Ae journal into th= e next thirty years.=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Some of > the more than 100=3D=0Acr= eative writers and scholars who will be reading > and engaging in public=3D= 20=3D=0Adiscussions on writing creative texts and > writing on these and ot= her texts=3D=0Aand the culture from which they > derive include: Carole Boy= ce Davies, Luci=3D=0Alle Clifton, Thadious Davis, > Eddie Glaude,=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0Brent Edwards, Thoma=3D=0As Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, Farah > G= riffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunya=3D=0Akaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule > M= arshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal,=3D20=3D=0ACarl Phillips, Tracy = K. > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and=3D20=3D=0Amany other= s.=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Please find below links to the Center for Af= ricana Studies at Johns > Hopk=3D=0Ains, the Callaloo conference homepage, = online registration > information, an=3D=0Ad the conference program.=3DC2= =3DA0=3DC2=3DA0We hope to see you there.=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> =3DE2= =3D80=3D94Callaloo Conference Planning Committee=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A= > http://web.jhu.edu/africana=3DC2=3DA0=0A> http://callaloo.tamu.edu/confer= ence.html=3DC2=3DA0=0A> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D3D14= 3619=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLAL= OO=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> October 24-27, 2007=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0= =0A> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University > = Balt=3D=0Aimore, Maryland=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24= =3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 7:00 PM=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Welcome=3D= E2=3D80=3D94Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns=3D= =0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Hopkins University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Master of= Ceremony:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africa= =3D=0Ana > Studies,=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Johns Hopkins University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>= =3DC2=3DA0=0A> The Occasion:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Trudier Harris (University = of North Carolina, Cha=3D=0Apel > Hill)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Comment= s & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M > University,=3D=0ACo= llege Station)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 7:30 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Keynote Co= nversation: Black Studies, the Academy, & > Cont=3D=0Aemporary Black Commun= ities=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> MC:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Ben Vinson III=3DC= 2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James = Turner (Cornell > Univer=3D=0Asity), William Strickland (University of Mass= achusetts, > Amherst), Wahneema=3D=0AH. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzett= e Spencer > (University of Wisconsin,=3D=0AMadison)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0= =0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Farah Griffin, Columbia University=3DC2= =3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 9:= 00-10:30 AM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after (A= lmo=3D=0Ast) > Twenty Years=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel: Joyce Ann Jo= yce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed > (Universit=3D=0Ay of Californi= a, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke > University), Zita Nune=3D=0As (Univ= ersity of Maryland, College Park), & > Fred=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Moten (Duke = Un=3D=0Aiversity)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College Stati=3D=0Aon)=3DC2=3DA0=0A= >=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 11:00-12:30 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94African American Literary Stud= ies and the Feminist=3D20=3D=0A> Critique after The Color Purple=3DC2=3DA0= =0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Susan Fraiman=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0(University of Virginia), Daphn=3D=0Ae Brooks > (Princeton), Deborah G= rey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall, >=3D=0A(Barnard College), Keith M= itchell (University of Massachusetts at > Lowell)=3D=0A, Lovalearie King (P= ennsylvania State University), & Carmen > Gillespie (Buc=3D=0Aknell Univers= ity)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University= )=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 Lunch=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 2:00 PM-3:= 00PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3D= C2=3DA0=0A> Panel:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Tour=3DC3=3DA9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (= Arizona State Universit=3D=0Ay), > Randall Kenan (University of North Carol= ina, Chapel Hill), Martha > So=3D=0Authgate (Brooklyn College), &=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0David Wright (University of Illinoi=3D=0As, > Urban-Chapaign)=3DC= 2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0John McCluskey (Indi= ana University, Bloomington)=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 3:30 PM-4:30= PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading=3DC2=3DA0=0A>= =3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson=3DC2=3DA0= =0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> MC:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins Unive= rsity)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 8:00 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Fiction & Poetry R= eadings=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Readers:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Paule Marsh= all (New York University) & Lucille Clifton=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0(St. >= Mary's College, Maryland)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> MC:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill)=3D=0A=3DC2= =3DA0=0A> Welcome: David Taft Terry=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Director, The Reginald Le= wis Museum=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC= 2=3DA0=0A> 9:00-10:30 AM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Querying the Black Diaspora=3DC2=3DA= 0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyc= e Davies > (Cornell=3D=0AUniversity), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, = Austin), > Zita Nunes (Un=3D=0Aiversity of Maryland, College Park), & Suzet= te Spencer > (University of Wisc=3D=0Aonsin)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Mo= derator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station)=3DC2=3DA0=0A= >=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 11:00-12:30 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Caribbean Writers in the Unite= d States: Other Black=3D=0A> Diasporas=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Presenta= tion:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg)=3DC2=3DA= 0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Sandra Paquet (University of = Miami), Daryl Dance (Univer=3D=0Asity > of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates = (State University of New York, > B=3D=0Ainghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter = College), Thomas Glave (State of > New Yo=3D=0Ark, Binghamton)=3DC2=3DA0=0A= >=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marco= s)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 Lunch=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0= =0A> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA= =3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Presentation:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Thomas Sayers= Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College)=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel:=3D= C2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra= =3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae V= an-Clief=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Stefanon,=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Gerald Barrax (North Ca= rolina State University)=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2= =3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Dante Micheaux (New York University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0= =0A> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Mo= vement in=3D20=3D=0Athe > USA=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Presentation:=3DC= 2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0= =0A> Respondents:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), Da= vid Lionel=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Smith > (Williams College), Gene Andrew= Jarrett (Boston Universi=3D=0Aty), James > Edward Smethurst (University of= Massachusetts, Amherst), and Me=3D=0Ata D. > Jones (University of Texas, A= ustin)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Margo Nata= lie Crawford (Indiana University, Blooming=3D=0Aton)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA= 0=0A> 8:00 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Poetry Readings=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Poe= ts Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa > (N=3D= =0Aew York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. > Louis= )=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts a= nd Sciences, Johns Hopkins > Univer=3D=0Asity=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> S= ATURDAY, OCTOBER 27=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 9:30-10:30 AM=3DE2=3D80=3D9= 4Academic Editing and Publishing:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0The John=3D=0As Hopkin= s > University Press=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> One representative from th= e Book Division=3DC2=3DA0=0A> One representative from the Journals Division= =3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 11:00-12:00 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Callaloo's Art=3D= C2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Cherise Smith (Universi= ty of Texas), Annette Lawrence (N=3D=0Aorth > Texas State University, Dento= n), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=3D=0A> Houston), Valerie Cassel Ol= iver (Contemporary Arts Museum, > Houston),=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0& Fran= klin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & Meta > Ewa=3D=0AJones=3DC2= =3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Stephen Carpenter (Te= xas A&M University, College Sta=3D=0Ation)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 12:0= 0-1:30 PM=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 Lunch=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 2:00-3:30 P= M=3DE2=3D80=3D94Poets Reading=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Van Jordan (Unive= rsity of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of > V=3D=0Aermont), Tra= cy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin > (Univers=3D=0Aity o= f Massachusetts),=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon > Un= iver=3D=0Asity)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> MC:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Kyle G. = Dargan (American University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 5:30= -7:00 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Final Keynote Conversation / African American Litera= r=3D=0Ay > and Cultural Studies:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0The Present and the Fut= ure=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones= (University of Texas, > Austin=3D=0A), Keith Leonard (American University)= , Michelle Wright > (University of Min=3D=0Anesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame= University), Marlon > Ross (University of Vi=3D=0Arginia), Fred Moten (Duk= e University)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Moderator:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Tha= dious Davis (University of Pennsylvania)=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 7:30-8= :00 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman=3DC2=3DA0= =0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2= =3DA0=0A> MC:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Kyle Dargan=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> 8:= 15-9:30 PM=3DE2=3D80=3D94Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks=3DC2=3DA0= =0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.)=3DC= 2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Cal= laloo; Ben Vinson, > Dir=3D=0Aector of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins Univ= ersity; Charles Henry > Rowell,=3D=0AEditor of Callaloo=3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2= =3DA0=0A> 9:30 PM-Until=3DE2=3D80=3D94Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues=3D= C2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A> Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc.= =3DC2=3DA0=0A>=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=0A__________________________________________= ______________________________=0AEmail and AIM finally together. You've got= ta check out free AOL Mail! - http=3D=0A://mail.aol.com=0A=0A--------------= ----------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:31:57 -0800=0AFrom: J= oel Weishaus =0ASubject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Gin= sberg???=0A=0AHi Stephen:=0A=0AI don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Cre= eley that come from a walk. =3D=0AYou'd think that at least Ginsberg would = have one. I did go on a walk =3D=0Awith Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the = circumambulations of Mt. =3D=0ATamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on o= ne of these walks (Allan =3D=0Awasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsbe= rg didn't. I mention the one =3D=0Awith Allan on the first page of Reality = Dreams: =3D=0Ahttp://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm=0A=0ABes= t,=0AJoel=0A=0A=0ADate: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700=0AFrom: Steph= en Vincent =0ASubject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or G= insberg???=0A=0AI am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at St= anford, using =3D=0Athe campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us t= o walk is into =3D=0ASpecial Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creele= y archives.=0AIt would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either= poet that =3D=0Aemerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original m= ss. available =3D=0Ato see, explore.=0A=3D20=0AI will appreciate any sugges= tions of titles - poems and/or journal =3D=0Apieces.=0A=3D20=0AThanks in ad= vance,=0A=3D20=0AStephen Vincent=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AD= ate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:56:27 EDT=0AFrom: Seena Liff =0ASubject: Re: POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007 (#2007-257)= =0A=0AI'm reading Daniel Deronda, by George Eliot. Before that, I read The= =0AMoonstone, by Wilkie Collins, before that, Wives and Daughters, and Cr= anford, by =0AElizabeth Gaskell. - Seena=0A=0A=0A=0A**********************= **************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com=0A=0A----------------= --------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:12:58 -0400=0AFrom: Ala= n Sondheim =0ASubject: Frustration=0A=0AFrustration=0A= =0A=0ATwo crystal radios (crs) in parallel through the same antenna/ground= =0Asystem.=0A=0AThe larger, older one is in the box and can fine-tune throu= gh a vario-=0Acoupler, loose coupler, and now an air condenser. The output = is drawn from=0Athe larger.=0A=0AThe system is increasingly frustrating and= baroque, more and more stations=0Aare picked up, the tuning peaks are shar= per, the sensitivity and amplitude=0Amuch greater. Everything is passive an= d metal, except for the diodes - two=0Ain parallel for the older cr, one fo= r the newer.=0A=0AIt's frustrating. The output is always similar, content-d= ependent, and I'm=0Anot interested in content, or rather the content of the= wave-envelopes -=0Ainterference, noise, static, and spherics included.=0A= =0ABut the frustration - the content dominates, so I've now thrown filter= =0Aafter filter at it, reducing everything to nonsense, nothing but spew.= =0A=0AWhy listen? Because it's a symptom of frustration.=0A=0AThe cr itself= is of interest - every inductor has resistance and capaci-=0Atance, every = capacitor has inductance and resistance, every resistor has=0Ainductance an= d capacitance. But there are no resistors, only a small rf=0Achoke. I arran= ge and rearrange components, trying for the highest q-=0Afactor (filter sha= rpness), the loudest output. Sometimes a clip loosens=0Aand everything chan= ges for the better or worse. Sometimes my hand brushes=0Aa coil and things = change again. Reverse the clips, antenna/ground or the=0Adiodes, and things= change yet again. Nothing's predictable, but the q and=0Aamplitude tends t= owards the same old thing. If I look for a signal in the=0Anoise beneath th= e signals, it's canceled out even in the noise. Or some-=0Atimes not; you c= an hear straight-forward voices in the middle of crs.mp3,=0Aeven with all t= he manipulation.=0A=0AAgain, it's metal come to life, arrangements of metal= , nothing else, even=0Athe earphones are coils and magnets and thin metal d= iaphragms. There's=0Anone of the interiority of electronics, vacuum tubes, = solid state, except=0Afor the diodes of course. Use a razor-blade diode, an= d even the solid-=0Astate's eliminated.=0A=0AAnd manipulation of the output= ? Reverberation, hiss filters, hard limit-=0Aing, normalizing, equalizing. = To no point at all except to eliminate my=0Aown nausea. This might have bee= n a search for aesthetic pleasure; instead=0Ait's grounded in an impossible= novelty - what with the tuning coils and=0Acapacitor, cr sound is narrowly= defined, almost traditional. I need a=0Aviolin. I need something.=0A=0Acrs= 1 and crs2 are images of the interior of the older cr, which has now=0Abeen= placed in a box. There's a cat around. cr3 is the second cr on top of=0Ath= e closed box. The fourth file is the mp3.=0A=0Ahttp://www.asondheim.org/crs= 1.jpg=0Ahttp://www.asondheim.org/crs2.jpg=0Ahttp://www.asondheim.org/crs3.j= pg=0Ahttp://www.asondheim.org/crs.mp3=0A=0A(I wonder in terms of the poetic= s and phenomenology of the 'thing' here -=0Athey lie in arrangements, in ch= annels - stations and noise, etc. are par-=0Aasitic, the whole a swirl, ent= anglement. Listen through the cross-sec-=0Ations. There's also the semiotic= s of the flesh, the relationship and=0Aplacements of antennas and grounds, = the body, flustered, moving all those=0Acoils and dials. The oldest radio s= ets have a variety of tuning mechanisms=0A- everything balances on everythi= ng. I'd say the pleasure quickens fast in=0Aall of this, but then, like pla= te cameras, a kind of exactitude emerges=0Aand delight when something after= all comes clear. I'm thinking of modeling=0Aall of this as a _knot_ in the= mathematical sense.)=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0ADate: Sat= , 15 Sep 2007 11:53:41 -0700=0AFrom: sandra de 1913 =0ASubject: 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement=0A=0AHello friends,=0A= =0A1913 is chipper to announce the winner of The Rozanova Prize:=0A=0AWard = Tietz's outstanding verb'sual book, Hg--The liquid, will receive=0Apublicat= ion by 1913 Press this coming year.=0A=0AMany sincere thanks to all who ent= ered the contest.=0AAll entries were considered for publication by 1913.=0A= Each entrant will receive a copy of the book.=0A=0ABest things,=0Ade 1913= =0A=0A-- =0Ahttp://www.journal1913.org=0Ahttp://www.1913press.org=0A=0A----= --------------------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:34:23 -0400=0A= From: Martha King =0ASubject: NYC Prose Reading=0A=0APoe= ts all - think prose on the first Thursday of the month:=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A= =0AMartha King and Elinor Nauen present=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AThe Prose Pros= at Mo=3DE2=3D80=3D99s =3DE2=3D80=3D93 i.e., Mo Pitkin=3DE2=3D80=3D99s Hous= e of=3D20=3D=0ASatisfaction=0A=0A34 Avenue A, New York City=0A=0AFor direct= ions go www.mopitkins.com or call 212 777 5660=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AProse w= riters reading new works from 7 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 9 pm.=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3D=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D= A0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3D= C2=3DA0=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3D= =0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0= =3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0=3DC2=3DA= 0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 First up:=3DC= 2=3DA0 Thursday, Octo=3D=0Aber 4=0A=0AJocelyn Lieu=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 and=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3D=0A=3DA0 Mort Zachter=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2= =3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=0AJocelyn Lieu is kno= wn to East Siders as the author of What Isn=3DE2=3D80=3D99t The=3D=0Are=3DC= 2=3DA0 (Nation Books), a book that takes us through what happened to us al= =3D=0Al on September 11.=3DC2=3DA0 We were here and so was she.=3DC2=3DA0 H= er shards of na=3D=0Arrative form a house for our communal grief, free of c= ant and hysteria.=3DC2=3D=0A=3DA0 An earlier collection, Potential Weapons = (Greywolf) garnered praise from=3D=0ASherman Alexie and Charles Baxter.=0A= =0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AMort Zachter has a very different memory= of our neighborhood.=3DC2=3DA0 In Dough=3D=0A(University of Georgia Press)= an hilarious and inventively told memoir, he=3D20=3D=0Arecounts his person= al search for the dough of financial security=3DE2=3D80=3DA6and=3D=0Aa fami= ly secret based on another version of the stuff.=3DC2=3DA0 For some 60 ye= =3D=0Aars his Uncle Harry lived in penury, running a day-old bread store on= 9th St=3D=0Areet.=3DC2=3DA0 Out of the blue, Mort inherited the results.= =3DC2=3DA0 His book, whi=3D=0Ach won the 2006 AWP Creative Nonfiction Award= , takes on the perils of double=3D=0Alife and the many ways money foments c= ataclysmic changes.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AADMISSION FREE / CO= NTRIBUTE GENEROUSLY!=3D20=0A=0AAll proceeds go to readers.=3D20=0A=0A=0A=0A= =3DC2=3DA0=0A=0AAnd look for readings by Hettie Jones, Peter Trachtenberg, = Maggie Dubris, Sh=3D=0Aaron Mesmer, Stanley Alpert, Stephanie Dickinson and= many more.=3DC2=3DA0 Always=3D=0Asomething unexpected. Always on the first= Thursday of the month=3DE2=3D80=3DA6exc=3D=0Aept January when the series t= akes a break.=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 For more information=3D20=3D=0Aemail enau= en@aol.com or gpwitd@aol.com.=0A=0A=0A=0A=3DC2=3DA0=0A=0A__________________= ______________________________________________________=0AEmail and AIM fina= lly together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http=3D=0A://mail.aol= .com=0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:= 44:21 -0400=0AFrom: William Slaughter =0ASubject: Notice: M= udlark=0A=0ANew and On View: Mudlark Poster No. 70 (2007)=0A=0AWalking with= Elihu=0A=0APoems by Taylor Graham=0A=0AHome Economics, 1825 | Seasons in t= he Smithy | Adolescent Myths =0AOut of Work | After the Prayer Meeting | A = Matter of Pennies =0AJourney's End | Sanskrit | Forging Iron with Coal=0A= =0AAuthor's Note: Elihu Burritt, the Learned Blacksmith (1810-1879), grew u= p =0Ain a poor family in New Britain, Connecticut, and apprenticed himself = to =0Athe local blacksmith to help support his family. While working full-t= ime =0Aat the forge, he taught himself mathematics, astronomy, geography, a= nd =0Aabout fifty languages. Even though nearly penniless, he took on =0Ahu= manitarian causes and traveled to Europe, where he helped organize =0Ainter= national peace congresses. To learn more about the land and people of =0ABr= itain, especially farming practices, he walked from London to the =0Anorthe= rn tip of Scotland and then from London to Land's End in the south, =0Aand = published journals of his walks. He was appointed consular agent at =0ABirm= ingham, England, by President Lincoln. These poems are from a =0Acollection= in-progress, working title "Walking with Elihu," which is =0Alooking for a= publisher.=0A=0ATaylor Graham is a volunteer search-and-rescue dog handler= in the Sierra =0ANevada, and also helps her husband (a retired wildlife bi= ologist) with his =0Afield projects. Her poems have appeared in Internation= al Poetry Review, =0AThe Iowa Review, The New York Quarterly, Poetry Intern= ational, Southern =0AHumanities Review, and elsewhere, including the anthol= ogy California =0APoetry: From the Gold Rush to the Present (Heyday Books, = 2004). Her latest =0Abook, The Downstairs Dance Floor (Texas Review Press, = 2006), was awarded =0Athe Robert Phillips Poetry Chapbook Prize. Taylor Gra= ham's poems, "Cessna =0ADown," "Last Seen at the ATM," "3/5, the Andes by p= roxy," and her essay, =0A"The Search and the Poem," appeared as Mudlark Pos= ter No. 1 (1997), =0Ainaugurating the Mudlark Poster Series.=0A=0ASpread th= e word. Far and wide,=0A=0AWilliam Slaughter=0A=0AMUDLARK=0AAn Electronic J= ournal of Poetry & Poetics=0ANever in and never out of print...=0AE-mail: m= udlark@unf.edu=0AURL: http://www.unf.edu/mudlark=0A=0A---------------------= ---------=0A=0ADate: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:36:34 -0400=0AFrom: Daniel M= achlin =0ASubject: Machlin/Solomon Book Party @ Zinc Bar = NYC 9/16=0A=0AJOINT BOOK PARTY/READING FOR TWO NEW UGLY DUCKLING PRESSE REL= EASES:=0A=0ADEAR BODY:=0Aby Dan Machlin=0A=0A&=0A=0ABLUE AND RED THINGS=0AL= aura Solomon=0A=0ASunday, September 16, 2007=0AZinc Bar, 7:00 p.m.=0A90 Wes= t Houston,=0Abetween LaGuardia & Thompson, NYC=0A($5 suggested donation goe= s to the poets)=0A=0AFOR MORE INFO IN THE BOOK AND ORDERING INFO:=0Ahttp://= www.uglyducklingpresse.org/page-dearbody.html=0Ahttp://www.uglyducklingpres= se.org/page-blueandredthings.html=0A=0ATO REQUEST REVIEW COPIES/PRESS INFOR= MATION:=0AEmail: info@uglyducklingpresse.org=0A=0ADAN MACHLIN was born and = raised in New York City. Previous works =3D20=0Ainclude several chapbooks: = 6x7 (Ugly Duckling Presse), This Side =3D20=0AFacing You (Heart Hammer Pres= s), and In Rem (@ Press), as well as =3D20=0AAbove Islands (Immanent Audio)= , an audio CD collaboration with singer/=3D20=3D=0A=0Acellist Serena Jost. = His poems and reviews have appeared in The =3D20=0APoetry Project Newslette= r, Talisman, Antennae, Crayon, Soft Targets, =3D20=0ABoog Literature and Th= e Brooklyn Rail. Dan is the founding editor and =3D20=3D=0A=0Apublisher of = Futurepoem books, a former contributing editor of The =3D20=0ATranscendenta= l Friend and a former curator of The Segue Series at =3D20=0ABowery Poetry = Club in NYC. Dear Body: is his first book-length =3D20=0Acollection of poem= s.=0A=0ALAURA SOLOMON was born in 1976 in Birmingham, Alabama and spent her= =3D20=0Achildhood in various small towns scattered across the southeast. H= er =3D20=0Afirst book, Bivouac, was published by Slope Editions in 2002. Ot= her =3D20=0Apublications include a chapbook, Letters by which Sisters Will = Know =3D20=0ABrothers (Katalanche Press 2005), and Haiku of Stones / Haiku = des =3D20=0APierres by Jacques Poullaouec, a translation from the French wi= th =3D20=0ASika Fakambi (Editons Apog=3DE9e, 2006). Currently she lives in = =3D20=0APhiladelphia.=0A=0AUGLY DUCKLING PRESSE is a nonprofit art & publis= hing collective =3D20=0Aproducing small to mid-size editions of new poetry,= translations, =3D20=0Alost works, and artist's books. The Presse favors em= erging, =3D20=0Ainternational, and "forgotten" writers with well-defined fo= rmal or =3D20=0Aconceptual projects that are difficult to place at other pr= esses. Its =3D20=3D=0A=0Afull-length books, chapbooks, artist=3D92s books, = broadsides, magazine =3D20=0Aand newspaper all contain handmade elements, c= alling attention to the =3D20=3D=0A=0Alabor and history of bookmaking.=3D= =0A=0A------------------------------=0A=0AEnd of POETICS Digest - 14 Sep 20= 07 to 15 Sep 2007 (#2007-258)=0A*******************************************= ******************* ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:27:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: [set POETICS nomail] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Works like a charm. Hellllooo aXXo. & hey, I wrote my first bash script! 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/15/2007 10:55:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sondheim@PANIX.COM writes: theory. the real. death. Torture is senseless violence, born in fear. The purpose of it is to force from one tongue, amid its screams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret of _everything._ Senseless violence: whether the victim talks or whether he dies under his agony, the secret that he cannot tell is always some- where else and out of reach. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus. If he puts _the question_ at all, he will have to continue forever. Sartre (in the afterword to Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958) Alan, thanks for this ... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:46:19 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ann Bogle Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is sad. Sorry to those who know him. I've noticed a drop off in obituary announcements on Poetics -- I think the obituaries are very important in alerting us to the contributions and accomplishments of people who have worked in the arts & poetry. I have hoped the drop off is due to fewer recent deaths -- we have been blessed in recent years in the long lives of our poets! AMB ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:19:16 -0400 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: New Shite on Behind the Lines Poetry... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, here's some new posts on Behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com I know you've been dying to ignore this. Be the first on your blog to tell them you have the Ignore This decoder ring (part of a complete set of Decoder Rings, the Charles Olson Decorder ring sold separately). Hal Johnson's "Sonnet: White Man's Burden"/How Ari Fleischer Makes me Crazy Fady Joudah's "The Name of the Place" The Clash's "Spanish Bombs"/News from Another Time Ted Leo's "Since You Been Gone/Maps"/Punk Goes Pop An Iraq War Veteran Joins the Muslim Student Union Remembering September 11th, 2001/Yehuda Amichai's "The Diameter of the Bomb" Philip Metres "Inspired by" Interview with Carlye Archibeque Nir Nader's Interview with Israeli Poet Aharon Shabtai Radnoti's "Seventh Eclogue"/Virgil in a Modern Hell Suppressing Dissent/The Questions of A.N.S.W.E.R. Edward Dorn's "In the Morning"/The War So Far From Here W. Scott Howard's "The Danger (Here)"/9/11 and the... Martha Collins' Blue Front/News That Stays News Robert Bly on "Now"/On Poetry, Rumi, Whitman, Bush... PEACE SHOW 2007/"Watching the Jet Planes Dive" by William Stafford Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:47:09 -0400 Reply-To: pmetres@jcu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Philip Metres Subject: Petraeus, Kipling, Fleischer, Johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was listening to the npr program "On The Media" yesterday while repairing and attaching a new table leg to my daughter's "special table," when Ari Fleischer was being interviewed by Brooke Gladstone about the Image Wars regarding the Iraq War. Fleischer pulled out all the typical ad hominems and spins 1) about MoveOn.org--which performed its own ad hominems in their advertisement about General David Petraeus being a "General Betray Us" (a rhyme so pitifully obvious that it made me cringe to see it in print, even though I giggled over it when I thought of it myself), 2) about the peace movement, 3) about the left, 4) about the war in Iraq. Apparently, one ad (which you're welcome to watch and vomit in your mouth over), uses the typical rhetoric that essential blames the left in advance for making a guy feel like he's wasted his sacrifice...and he's lost both his legs in the war. But the sinister aspect of the ad, which Gladstone rightly confronts Fleischer on, is that ugly slippage in the "they" attacked us line. Really, Iraq attacked us?! WTF?!!!! I forgot, all of "them" are alike. Which leads me to Hal Johnson's "White Man's Burden," which is a phrase canonized by imperial poet Rudyard Kipling. (I should mention t! hat Petraeus quoted Kipling in his address to Congress.) Here's Kipling's poem, and then Johnson's. White Man's Burden Take up the White Man's burden-- Send forth the best ye breed-- Go bind your sons to exile To serve your captives' need; To wait in heavy harness, On fluttered folk and wild-- Your new-caught, sullen peoples, Half-devil and half-child. Take up the White Man's burden-- In patience to abide, To veil the threat of terror And check the show of pride; By open speech and simple, An hundred times made plain To seek another's profit, And work another's gain. Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought, Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought. Take up the White Man's burden-- No tawdry rule of kings, But toil of serf and sweeper-- The tale of common things. The ports ye shall not enter, The roads ye shall not tread, Go make them with your living, And mark them with your dead. Take up the White Man's burden-- And reap his old reward: The blame of those ye better, The hate of those ye guard-- The cry of hosts ye humour (Ah, slowly!) toward the light:-- "Why brought he us from bondage, Our loved Egyptian night?" Take up the White Man's burden-- Ye dare not stoop to less-- Nor call too loud on Freedom To cloke your weariness; By all ye cry or whisper, By all ye leave or do, The silent, sullen peoples Shall weigh your gods and you. Take up the White Man's burden-- Have done with childish days-- The lightly proferred laurel, The easy, ungrudged praise. Comes now, to search your manhood Through all the thankless years Cold, edged with dear-bought wisdom, The judgment of your peers! *** We all need to help them ay-rabs get their act together and love freedom, right? *** "Sonnet: White Man's Burden" by Halvard Johnson darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkless darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkiness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkling darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkish darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkness darkest darkness Philip Metres Associate Professor Department of English John Carroll University 20700 N. Park Blvd University Heights, OH 44118 phone: (216) 397-4528 (work) fax: (216) 397-1723 http://www.philipmetres.com http://www.behindthelinespoetry.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:54:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tisa Bryant Subject: New Opera: Juana, October 12th and 13th at Theatre Artaud, San Francisco Comments: To: pussipo@googlegroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > Premiere of JUANA, October 12th and 13th at Theatre Artaud > > =A0 > 8:00 p.m., Friday & Saturday, October 12-13, 2007 > =A0 > $15 General Admission > $10 Students and Seniors > www.brownpapertickets.com/event/20173 > No one will be turned away for lack of funds=A0 > > V.I.P. Opening Night After-Show Reception > Friday, October 12 > $25 (not including ticket price) > > > Tenth Muse Presents brings you a sneak preview of Juana, a new opera=20= > by Composer, Carla Lucero. Juana is based on the historical novel,=20 > =93Sor Juana=92s Second Dream=94, the story of 17th century Mexican = poet,=20 > feminist and nun, Sor Juana In=E9s de la Cruz.=A0 > =A0 > The opera tells the story of her persecution at the hands of the=20 > Spanish inquisition because of her controversial writings and her love=20= > for another woman.=A0=A0 She is now widely recognized as the first = great=20 > poet of the Americas . > =A0 > This fully staged production of Juana will feature an hour of excerpts=20= > sung in the Spanish language (English supertitles projected), with=20 > Musical Direction by Ron Valentino and Stage Direction by Tracy Ward.=A0= =20 > Executive Producer is Valentin Aguirre.=A0 The libretto is co-written = by=20 > Carla Lucero and Alicia Gaspar de Alba. > =A0 > Cast:=A0 Martha Rodriguez Salazar, Elena Krell, John Kendall Bailey,=20= > Kindra Scharich, Jennifer Boesing, Abraham Aviles-Scott, Joanne Um,=20 > Victor Khodadad, Jose Luis Munoz, and Miranda Demetor.=A0 > > Carla Lucero is best known for her seminal 2001 World Premiere of=20 > Wuornos, the internationally acclaimed opera based on the Florida=20 > serial killer, Aileen Wuornos.=A0 > > Call (415) 552-5332 for more information.=A0 Or buy tickets online at: > www.brownpapertickets.com/event/20173= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:12:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Ann, thank you for this post. i really appreciate it. what you say is important. thank you, bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Ann Bogle To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 3:46 am Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths This is sad. Sorry to those who know him. I've noticed a drop off in obituary announcements on Poetics -- I think the obituaries are very important in alerting us to the contributions and accomplishments of people who have worked in the arts & poetry. I have hoped the drop off is due to fewer recent deaths -- we have been blessed in recent years in the long lives of our poets! AMB ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:59:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Fwd: Remembering Sabra and Shatila In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Chirot Date: Sep 16, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: Fwd: Remembering Sabra and Shatila To: david.chirot@gmail.com Robert Fisk was in the first group of journalists to enter the Palestinian refugee camps on 18 September 1982, after the 48 hour war crime massacre ordered by Ariel Sharon ("The Butcher of Baghdad," called "A Man of Peace" by GW Bush) and carried out by Phalangist forces. Remembering Sabra and Shatila by Robert Fisk http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4733.htm --- A beautiful letter from Franklin Lamb is at: Dissident Voice : The 25th Anniversary of the Massacre at Sabra-Shatilla http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2007/09/the-25th-anniversary-of-the-massacre-at-sabra-shatilla/ --- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:42:54 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: William James Austin Subject: Blackbox summer gallery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello everyone, The summer gallery of Blackbox is now live.? Please check it out.? Lots of good submissions; not easy to whittle it all down to a manageable grouping.? Obviously the submission period has ended.? I simply can't handle any more.? Plus I haven't received any new candidates over the past few days, so it seems like a good time to call time. This season's gallery contains work by Karl Kempton, John M. Bennett and C. Mehri Bennett, Vernon Frazer, Marco Giovenale, Kaz Mazlanka, Nicholas Karavatos, Sheila E. Murphy -- a nice combination of regulars and newcomers.? It ain't easy for a newcomer to crack the Blackbox code, so let's give those guys a hand.??? Per usual, go to WilliamJamesAustin.com and follow the Blackbox link, or go direct to WilliamJamesAustin.com/Blackbox.html.? Then take a long stroll (scroll) through the galleries until you reach the latest.? Be sure to check out previous galleries on your way. As always, mucho thanks to everyone to submits and contributes, whether or not s/he make it into this season's gallery. Best, Bill ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:56:52 -0400 Reply-To: Jonathan Minton Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jonathan Minton Subject: Word For/Word #12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pleased to announce that Word For/Word #12 is online at www.wordforword.info with new work by Sommer Browning, Sue Carnahan, Raymond Farr, Adam Golaski, Andrew Grace, Garth Graeper, Eryn Green, Derek Henderson, Derek Pollard, Tom Hibbard, Jan Lauwereyns, Stan Mir, T.A. Noonan, Marcus Slease, Theresa Sotto, Ruy Ventura, derek beaulieu, C. Mehrl Bennett, John M. Bennett, Solamito Luigino, Ben Doyle, Sandra Miller, Crag Hill, Geof Huth, Donna Kuhn, J. Michael Mollohan, Ric Royer, Brian Strang, Thomas Lowe Taylor, Serge Segay Nico Vassilakis, Dan Waber, Ted Warnell, and Irving Weiss, plus reviews, and a special section (guest edited by Brian Whitener) of visual and sound poetry from Foro de Escrtores, a collaborative assembly of writers and artists based in Santiago, Chile. Cheers! Jonathan Minton www.wordforword.info ++++++++++++++ "Sundog / Zodiac of a Fingernail," by T.A. Noonan If you could clip me, I would be waxing crescent / Once I was a mouth, gibbous until I closed over you / You took my name from Ptolemy-terra australis-to balance me against something higher / My shape was all flats and ice / Katabatic winds rended my plateau at the edge / Interior, they moderated themselves / Sometimes the sun touched my white skin, and I burned like Brazil / My diamond dusts shimmered carnivale, radiation tricky as an open circuit / Now, this ridge slit through, a quick: something little, rough / The nail in front of your face slides under your waistband, parhelios to the snow / Parhelios to the snow, the nail in front of your face slides under your waistband / Now, this ridge slit through, a quick: something little, rough / My diamond dusts shimmer carnivale, radiation tricky as an open circuit / Sometimes I burn like Brazil when the sun touches my white skin, and the interior moderates itself / Katabatic winds rend my polar plateau at the edge / My shape is all flats and ice / You take my name from Ptolemy--terra australis--to balance me against something higher / At once I am a mouth, gibbous until I close over you / I could / would / being / wax crescent if you clip me ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:18:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: St. Mary's College MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (this is a forward. please don't respond to me. good luck!) St. Mary's College of Maryland at Historic St. Mary's City is seeking a tenure-track assistant/associate professor of Creative Writing, PhD or MFA, to begin August 2008. The successful candidate will join a department in which creative writing and literary analysis are unusually well integrated, with many colleagues who publish and teach in both fields. He or she will be encouraged to participate in the departmental development of creative writing activities, in what is already a vibrant and rich campus writing community. Teaching responsibilities of three classes per semester, among them creative writing at all curricular levels; while we welcome candidates who are themselves poets, novelists, dramatists, or essayists, we would prefer a candidate who can comfortably teach in at least two genres. All faculty share in some way in the teaching of the Core Curriculum, which includes literature and expository writing classes, as well as first-year seminars and independent year-long senior theses. St. Mary's College of Maryland, a public Carnegie Baccalaureate, Arts and Sciences institution located in Historic St. Mary's City, is Maryland's designated public honors college for the liberal arts, and candidates must be committed to providing a liberal arts education within a small college setting. With highly selective admissions policies, academically talented students, and a rigorous curriculum, we offer a small college experience similar to that found at exceptional private colleges. St. Mary's faculty benefit from a comprehensive program of support for scholarship, research, travel, and curriculum development, including course releases for pre-tenure faculty and leaves for tenured faculty. The quality of life is enhanced by the recreational opportunities of the Chesapeake region and by our proximity to Washington, D.C. and Baltimore. To apply, please submit a cover letter, curriculum vitae, writing sample of no more than 15 pages, and at least three letters of recommendation to Ruth Feingold, Chair, St. Mary's College of Maryland, 18952 E. Fisher Rd., St. Mary's City, MD 20686-3001. Applications postmarked by October 15, 2007 will receive priority; Review of applications will begin immediately and continue until the position is filled. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:31:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Wilcox Subject: Third Thursday Poetry, Albany, Miriam Herrera featured Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed the Poetry Motel Foundation presents Third Thursday Poetry Night at the Social Justice Center 33 Central Ave., Albany, NY Thursday, September 20, 2007=A0=A0=A0=A0 7:00 sign up; 7:30 start Featured Poet: Miriam Herrera with open mic for poets before & after the feature $3.00 donation.=A0 Your persistent host: Dan Wilcox. check out Miriam's Blog at: http://miriamherrerapoems.googlepages.com/ KIVA AT CHACO CANYON The kiva meditates on herself On the roundness of the soul On the eagle's circular vision. =A0 Lie on your back, little girl- Notice the sky! It's contained In its own infinite funnel. =A0 I know this kiva. We are old friends- The mother we never had. I recognize her! It's she Who forces one toward the middle. In the kiva there is only middle. =A0 Looking out through her bald blue eye It's me: Looking in, looking out. # ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:06:12 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: John Yau, Richard Kostelanetz & Simplified Submissions Guidelines on JBP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "The Lives of the Heart" "Are ligneous, muscular, chemical./ Wear birch-colored feathers,/green tunnels of horse-tail reed./Wear calcified spirals, Fibonaccian spheres."--Jane Hirshfield God Bless Texas, but God Bless Sundays even more! Today on Joe Brainard's Pyjamas a metaphysical reduction of all earth's stories by Richard Kostelanetz, a revisiting of a poetry collection by John Yau, simplified Submissions Guidelines (I drew them) and more are available for your perusal or abusal...if you have to choose between sackcloth or sackbut, choose the latter... _http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/_ (http://joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:50:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: emotions decrees music zero (maybe the sound redeems me) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed emotions decrees music zero 3 solos reflecting a state of consciousness brought about by j indicating she can tell my moods by the titles for example frustration indicating so though s/he misses the excitement behind which i'm neutral though the stuff i make most likely isn't and going broke doesn't help things along the way as i try to fasten onto 'something creative' so this part's true my nails cracked something about stress and sleeping in the office at brown and then i don't want to think about much most music stresses me but mine doesn't why is that so anyway this is all play-arounds because i can't do my usual with the right hand there are always other paths. but really bio stuff - when i'm happiest i write ferocious about torture well when miserable something comes along out the window tentacle glass lens of the camera always on the loose it's moi moi moi http://www.asondheim.org/moi.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/moi2.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/moi3.mp3 what frightens me most? that philosophy always the result of a damaged life will be itself damaged at best that i'll have nothing to say or it will be read as symptom or state-of-mind which shouldn't be a leverage at all any more than if i'm building /dev/nul it doesn't mean suicide or working as root isn't a sign of megalomania. the interstices of the text, the working-out of root issues against /dev/nul, the work of modeling a damaged species, this is fundamental. the sound of moi moi moi builds rooms where harmonics play against non-existent walls, play against them- selves, think of walls defined by harmonics, that is wavelengths, nothing material, you might have quantum rooms like that with music like this going on in them ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 19:54:36 -0400 Reply-To: az421@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT i agree completely; check out this recent post, too, for late Canadian poet Margaret Avison: http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/2007/08/margaret-avison-1918-2007-in-review.html if we won't talk about each other's accomplishments, who will? rob >Dear Ann, thank you for this post. i really appreciate it. what you say is important. thank you, bobbi > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ann Bogle >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 3:46 am >Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths > > > >This is sad. Sorry to those who know him. I've noticed a drop off in >obituary announcements on Poetics -- I think the obituaries are very important >in >alerting us to the contributions and accomplishments of people who have >worked in the arts & poetry. I have hoped the drop off is due to fewer recent >deaths -- we have been blessed in recent years in the long lives of our poets! > >AMB > > > >************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:26:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Margaret Konkol Subject: Fwd: Co-Worker's Poetry Readings Comments: To: Poetics+ , ENGRAD-LIST@listserv.buffalo.edu In-Reply-To: <1956.1189909470@buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Mike Basinski and Karlen Chase will be performing 9/20 and Karlen will be stylin' again the following week on 9/27. For those that haven't seen either read yet I will attest that they are well worth setting aside Derrida, Bergson or what-have-you for the evening. Margaret ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Hello, all! I have two poetry readings coming up, my first ones in Buffalo. If any of you can make either one of these, I'd love to see you there. I will have copies of my 1999 chapbook, Spreading Stars, for sale at both events. When: Thursday, Sept. 20, 7pm Where: Impact Artists' Gallery, Tri-Main Center, Suite 545, 2495 Main St., Buffalo Series: NEW/reNEW Series Cost: $3 Who: Michael Basinski, UB Poetry Collection Curator, and Karlen Chase, UB MLS Candidate http://buffalonews.typepad.com/poetry_beat/2007/08/the-newrenew-se.html Notes: There is free, security-monitored parking at night behind the Center. When: Thursday, Sept. 27, 4pm Where: Buffalo State College, Butler Library, Rooftop Garden (rain/snow: Butler 210) Series: Rooftop Poetry Series Cost: Free Who: Karlen Chase, UB MLS Candidate, and musician K. Corneilus http://www.buffalostate.edu/library/rooftop/members/chase.htm Hope to see y'all there, Karlen Karlen Chase, MLS Candidate Poetry Collection Student Assistant University Libraries University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Buffalo, NY 14260-2200 klchase@buffalo.edu http://karchase.googlepages.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:25:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths In-Reply-To: <20070916235436.B6E822475F@smeagol.ncf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill was an old & dear compa=F1ero =96 I posted a little note for him & = a =20 poem of his yesterday on Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com Another old friend of his and mine, Bill Sherman, has posted a lovely =20= homage to Bill Griffiths you shouldn't miss on his blog: http://=20 omoopart3.blogspot.com Pierre >> Dear Ann, thank you for this post. i really appreciate it. what =20 >> you say is important. thank you, bobbi >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ann Bogle >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 3:46 am >> Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths >> >> >> >> This is sad. Sorry to those who know him. I've noticed a drop =20 >> off in >> obituary announcements on Poetics -- I think the obituaries are =20 >> very important >> in >> alerting us to the contributions and accomplishments of people =20 >> who have >> worked in the arts & poetry. I have hoped the drop off is due to =20= >> fewer recent >> deaths -- we have been blessed in recent years in the long lives =20 >> of our poets! >> >> AMB >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at http://=20 >> www.aol.com >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________=20= >> ___ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL =20 >> Mail! - http://mail.aol.com >> >> > > -- > poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & =20 > Chaudiere > Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small =20= > press > fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... =20 > 2007-8 > writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://=20 > robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ___________________________________________________________ The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:48:33 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lily robert-foley Subject: Cascajal Block: Oldest Writing in the World. Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 A few months ago, a discussion strand began that involved into one pertaini= ng to the Cascajal block: an object belonging to the Olmec culture, a pre-= colombian culture=20 that predates the Maya, the remains of which are located primarily in what= is currently Mexico. Anthropologists uncovered the block in 1999 and beg= an publicizing it in=20 2006. I have been working on developing and designing the scope of an ongo= ing literary/artistic project that will and is treating the problem of the = block: that problem=20 namely being that it is a language=97or bears enough similarity to what we = might call a language that it might teach us something about what exactly a= language is=97that=20 has no companion texts and is therefore totally untranslatable/incomprehens= ible. Some members of the list expressed a wish that I might keep everyone= up to date on=20 where the project is taking me. There are very few ideas that thrill me mo= re than thinking that members of the listserv might be interested in helpin= g to expand the=20 girth and possibilities of this project.=20=20 I have started putting together a blog of the work I've been doing. If int= erest happens: http://glyphmachines.blogspot.com/2007/09/cascajal-block-ha= nd-drawn- reproduction.html or just http://glyphmachines.blogspot.com.=20=20 I'm also writing this post in the form of an S.O.S.. Part of my hop= es for this project is that it might form the basis of a Fulbright grant pr= oject. Everything has=20 been going very well for me, except that in order to apply for a Fulbright = to go to Mexico you must have a LETTER OF AFFILIATION from someone belongin= g to a relevant=20 institution or involved in a relevant field in that country. I have tried = contacting anthropologists, administrators and artists alike with no luck a= t all. I'm kind of coming=20 to a wits end. Is there anyone who might be able to help me? Who knows a = Mexican poet, professor or scientist who might be interested enough in a p= roject like this to=20 agree to write a letter of affiliation for me? I must admit that I person= ally feel that it is completely absurd to ask a complete stranger for a fav= or of this nature=97I don't=20 understand how exactly the Fulbright committee has come to believe that it = is acceptable to make this demand of someone applying for a Fulbright. Aft= er all, I believe=20 people apply for grants like these specifically because they do not have th= e means to complete a project on their own. Anyway. If there is anyone wh= o could help... I=20 would be overwhelmed with gratitude.=20=20 Or if anyone has any ideas about the block and unraveling its mystery. Tha= t is, after all, the point. thank, thank, thank you.=20=20 Lily. --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 20:03:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit spider squid octopus ratking Jim Andrews wrote: > a question. > > i'm making a piece that lets the user configure various 'brushes' that are > set in 'painting' motion simultaneously. i'm looking for a term to describe > such a set of 'brushes'. let us call it x for the moment. you can create a > new x and configure it. you can edit the brushes of an x (add, delete, > configure). you can save an x. > > since there can be several brushes in an x at once, i'm thinking x should > relate to the many-handed. the hindu gods shiva and vishnu come to mind, but > it seems inappropriate and presumptuous that x=shiva or x=vishnu. > > the 'brushes' are virtual, and they 'paint' in ways related to > http://vispo.com/temp/dbcinema.htm > > suggestions? > > ja? > http://vispo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:10:22 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just went with 'Brush set'. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:47:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: Source Available MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here in Kansas City we're opening the source of Listenlight (2.0) and Gravity Way. While I'm way ahead of the next Listenlight (at least by the Gravity Way source), you are welcome to it, as is everybody else, and welcome to use it. Guaranteed to work when you need it to work, at least. Good-bye. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 06:39:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: EH Subject: New Oppen article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit New Oppen article in this month's American Communist History, volume 6, number 1 (June 2007): "A Poetry of Action: George Oppen and Communism" http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~content=a782008782~db=all~order=page --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:09:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: a new shredder MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the machine accompanies the pull of the=20 want so at 10:30 a.m. on a day many of us (STILL!) celebrate our constitution-- the President introduces a new shredding machine: THE MUKASEY... Gerald S. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:28:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths In-Reply-To: <1A5DE9FC-8D36-45B9-AF46-FE6435C7FEF4@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Pierre, thank you so much for this link to your blog. i read it and i'll go back the= re to read some more. i'm gonna read the other blog that you listed too. thank you again, bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Pierre Joris To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 6:25 pm Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths Bill was an old & dear compa=C3=B1ero =E2=80=93 I posted a little note for h= im & a poem of his yesterday on Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Another old friend of his and mine, Bill Sherman, has posted a lovely homage= to Bill Griffiths you shouldn't miss on his blog: http://omoopart3.blogspot= .com=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pierre=C2=A0 =C2=A0 >> Dear Ann, thank you for this post. i really appreciate it. what >> you sa= y is important. thank you, bobbi=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> -----Original Message-----=C2=A0 >> From: Ann Bogle =C2=A0 >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=C2=A0 >> Sent: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 3:46 am=C2=A0 >> Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> This is sad. Sorry to those who know him. I've noticed a drop >> off in= =C2=A0 >> obituary announcements on Poetics -- I think the obituaries are >> very i= mportant=C2=A0 >> in=C2=A0 >> alerting us to the contributions and accomplishments of people >> who hav= e=C2=A0 >> worked in the arts & poetry. I have hoped the drop off is due to >> fewer= recent=C2=A0 >> deaths -- we have been blessed in recent years in the long lives >> of ou= r poets!=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> AMB=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> ************************************** See what's new at http://>> www.ao= l.com=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> _____________________________________________________________________>> _= __=C2=A0 >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >> Mail!=20= - http://mail.aol.com=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > --=C2=A0 > poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & > Chaudiere=C2= =A0 > Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small > press=C2= =A0 > fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... > 2007-8=C2=A0 > writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://> robmclennan.blogspot.com/=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 ___________________________________________________________=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan=C2=A0 ___________________________________________________________=C2=A0 Pierre Joris=C2=A0 244 Elm Street=C2=A0 Albany NY 12202=C2=A0 h: 518 426 0433=C2=A0 c: 518 225 7123=C2=A0 o: 518 442 40 71=C2=A0 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10=C2=A0 email: joris@albany.edu=C2=A0 http://pierrejoris.com=C2=A0 Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com=C2=A0 ____________________________________________________________=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:51:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" i agree with the answer that jim gave--bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Jim Andrews To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 1:10 am Subject: Re: question I just went with 'Brush set'. ja http://vispo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:56:33 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: Eileen Myles, Hal Sirowitz, CAConrad read in PHILLY 9/28 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you're in Philly 9/28 come over to Robin's Bookstore 108 S. 13th St., at 6pm details here: http://CAConradEVENTS.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:59:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? In-Reply-To: <011501c7f7b5$ef935560$0200a8c0@Weishaus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Allen wrote a poem called "Mugging Poem" during which he was mugged and then talked to some neighbors and or potential witnesses. This obviously involved walking and or running a bit, if I remember correctly, although it's not the kind of, I suspect, peaceful meditative walk you're contemplating. That Allen's kept his presence of mind enough to write this poem of course is meditative, in another way. Anyway, there's another earlier poem of Allen's called At Apollinaire's Grave in which he visits Pere Lachaise in Paris. I think he walks around the cemetery looking for the grave he wants to and eventually visits. Is that a walking poem? Regards, Tom Savage Joel Weishaus wrote: Hi Stephen: I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a walk. You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one with Allan on the first page of Reality Dreams: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm Best, Joel Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to see, explore. I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pieces. Thanks in advance, Stephen Vincent --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:35:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tom W. Lewis" Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? In-Reply-To: <475530.44253.qm@web31115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable read this message and got the line "walking back into the retreat house" in my head -- I don't know where this appears in AG's corpus, but the passage below was used on Hydrogen Jukebox, the Philip Glass/Ginsberg collaboration: "Cabin In The Rockies" Sitting on a tree stump with half cup of tea, sundown behind mountains - Nothing to do. Not a word! Not a word! Flies do all my talking for me - and the wind says something else. Fly on my nose, I'm not the Buddha, There's no enlightenment here! In the half-light of dawn A few birds warble under the Pleiades. An hour after dawn I haven't thought of Buddha once yet! - walking back into the retreat house. -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Thomas savage Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:00 To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? Allen wrote a poem called "Mugging Poem" during which he was mugged and then talked to some neighbors and or potential witnesses. This obviously involved walking and or running a bit, if I remember correctly, although it's not the kind of, I suspect, peaceful meditative walk you're contemplating. That Allen's kept his presence of mind enough to write this poem of course is meditative, in another way. Anyway, there's another earlier poem of Allen's called At Apollinaire's Grave in which he visits Pere Lachaise in Paris. I think he walks around the cemetery looking for the grave he wants to and eventually visits. Is that a walking poem? Regards, Tom Savage=20 Joel Weishaus wrote: Hi Stephen: I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a walk. You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one with Allan on the first page of Reality Dreams: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm Best, Joel Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Stephen Vincent=20 Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to see, explore. I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pieces. Thanks in advance, Stephen Vincent =20 --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:53:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? In-Reply-To: <475530.44253.qm@web31115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit if you include poems about going to creeley's burial place at tulip lane in mt Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge then you will prob have many other poems--incl ed sanders' poem in hanging loose last year. On 9/17/07 10:59 AM, "Thomas savage" wrote: > Allen wrote a poem called "Mugging Poem" during which he was mugged and then > talked to some neighbors and or potential witnesses. This obviously involved > walking and or running a bit, if I remember correctly, although it's not the > kind of, I suspect, peaceful meditative walk you're contemplating. That > Allen's kept his presence of mind enough to write this poem of course is > meditative, in another way. Anyway, there's another earlier poem of Allen's > called At Apollinaire's Grave in which he visits Pere Lachaise in Paris. I > think he walks around the cemetery looking for the grave he wants to and > eventually visits. Is that a walking poem? Regards, Tom Savage > > Joel Weishaus wrote: Hi Stephen: > > I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a walk. You'd > think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk with Allan, > and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. Tamalpais. Although > Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far > as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one with Allan on the first page of > Reality Dreams: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm > > Best, > Joel > > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? > > I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using the > campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Special > Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. > It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge > out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to see, > explore. > > I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pieces. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stephen Vincent > > > > --------------------------------- > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:37:24 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Skip Fox Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? In-Reply-To: <475530.44253.qm@web31115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Creeley: "The Book" in _The Gold Diggers_. "Walking" and "The Circle (Houses in" in _Words_. *** The following two texts discuss walking in Creeley: Chung, Ling. "Predicaments in Robert Creeley's _Words_." _Concerning = Poetry_ 2, no. 2 (Fall 1969): 32-35. Collings, Raymond Douglas, Jr. "Four Short Story Writers from Black = Mountain College." M.A. thesis, University of North Carolina, 1968. *** In addition: Jerome Mazzaro wrote of Creeley's stumbling in _Pieces_ (_Kenyon Review_ = 32, no. 1 *(whole no. 128)(Spring 1970): 163-68.) as well as in _For Love_ = and _Words_ ("Witnessing: Robert Creeley's 'I.'" _Crazyhourse_, no. 24 = (Spring 1983): 59-78. Other texts on his "practice stumbling" (N. Mackey) in terms of prose = style, but that's not what you want, right? -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] = On Behalf Of Thomas savage Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:00 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? Allen wrote a poem called "Mugging Poem" during which he was mugged and = then talked to some neighbors and or potential witnesses. This obviously involved walking and or running a bit, if I remember correctly, although it's not the kind of, I suspect, peaceful meditative walk you're contemplating. That Allen's kept his presence of mind enough to write = this poem of course is meditative, in another way. Anyway, there's another earlier poem of Allen's called At Apollinaire's Grave in which he visits Pere Lachaise in Paris. I think he walks around the cemetery looking = for the grave he wants to and eventually visits. Is that a walking poem? Regards, Tom Savage=20 Joel Weishaus wrote: Hi Stephen: I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a walk. You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk = with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one with Allan on = the first page of Reality Dreams: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm Best, Joel Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 From: Stephen Vincent=20 Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using = the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into = Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available = to see, explore. I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal = pieces. Thanks in advance, Stephen Vincent =20 --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:58:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetics List Subject: Forward on behalf of Michael Davidson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Call for Papers: "The Politics of Global Modernism: Revisiting Colonial Modernity" 39th Convention, Northeast Modern Language Association (NeMLA) April 10-13, 2008 Buffalo, New York This panel proposes to examine the modernist cultural production of marginal territories falling outside the Paris-London-New York nexus. While contemporary criticism has emphasized the global dynamics of modernist aesthetics, dominant understandings of modernist internationalism seldom do away with the preponderance of Anglo-French models of cosmopolitanism, whose encounters with non-Western cultures more often than not reproduced imperialist, orientalist dynamics. We will investigate alternative forms of engagement with modernism on the part of marginalized artists, in particular in a colonial context dominated by exclusive concepts of Eurocentric modernity. How did marginalized cultural production from the colonies undermine the imperialist patterns of appropriation of "primitive" art and culture by mainstream modernism? In what forms did vernacular modernisms, which distanced themselves from the mere imitation of Euro-American models, emerge? How did these alternative understandings of modernity engage with issues of cultural difference on the global level? How do their contributions help (re)conceptualize the relations, contradictions, and genealogies of modernism and the modern? To what extent does their critical focus on the vernacular provide a revision of modernism that would successfully reflect the ever-shifting global dynamics of the concept? While "modernism" will be primarily understood in its aesthetic sense, papers investigating the intersection of vernacular cultural productions and the theoretical/political critique of modernity will be favored. Papers only addressing works and artists from the Euro-American tradition will not be considered. Please send 250-word abstracts and short CVs to Edwige Tamalet Talbayev, UC San Diego (etamalet@ucsd.edu) by September 30, 2007. Please include with your abstract: Name and Affiliation Email address Postal address Telephone number A/V requirements (if any) The complete Call for Papers for the 2008 Convention will be posted in June: http://www.nemla.org. Interested participants may submit abstracts to more than one NeMLA panel; however panelists can only present one paper. Convention participants may present at a paper session panel and also present at a creative session or participate in a roundtable. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:48:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas Devaney Subject: On Charles North's "Cadenza" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yesterday, 9/16/07, The Philadelphia Inquirer published a review I wrote on the poet Charles North's recent book "Cadenza" (Hanging Loose Press). The headline in part, is: "Charles North's poems, complex but clear and conversational, invite everything to the game." http://www.philly.com/inquirer/entertainment/books/20070916_Patter_up__Verse_that_covers_all_the_bases.html -Thomas Devaney My own new book of poems is called "A Series of Small Boxes" published by Fish Drum: http://www.spdbooks.org/Details.asp?BookID=9781929495115 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kevin Killian Subject: Blaser reading in San Francisco last Sunday In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sunday September 16 was the benefit for San Francisco State's august Poetry Center and featured Robin Blaser at Knuth Hall in the Creative Arts Building, rather a utilitarian auditorium well dressed by Steve Dickison and staff to give a feeling of warmth, even sumptuousness, and a vase on the floor startling with tall sunflowers. Blaser avoided the podium and sat with his material well marked in hand, in an orange jacket that picked up something of that eerie sunflower light. Being 82 hasn't taken away much of Blaser's glamor or erudition, and he has always known how to switch up in the middle of a reading between the heights of cosmogony and a low, earthy humor like Sophie Tucker, and thus it was last night. He came partly to celebrate the new editions of his poems (THE HOLY FOREST) and essays (THE FIRE), and his reading ranged widely--he announced that he was happy to hear that new editions of the collected poems of Robert Duncan and Jack Spicer are on their way-- It was a thrill to hear Blaser read the “Great Companions: Robert Duncan” and also the letter “to Robin” that’s in Spicer’s “Admonitions.” (And three poems by Spicer, including 2 from "15 False Propositions Against God." Then we got to hear maybe half an hour's worth of his own work, new and old; and when I say "new,"there are apparently fourteen poems written within the past 10 months, and the ones we heard were crackerjack. Many of the usual suspects were there, including Michael McClure, Michael Palmer, Norma Cole, Bob Gluck, Fran Herndon, David and Hilde Burton, Christopher Wagstaff, Ariel Parkinson, Mark Linenthal, dozens more—I got to meet Ken Bullock who was responsible for the super profile slash interview that had appeared in the Berkeley Daily Planet last week--and to which Ron Silliman linked on his blog. Lots of the gang from UC Press, who put out both THE FIRE and THE HOLY FOREST (forgive the Billy Joel like pun!) but also tons of young people which was so nice to see. Michael Smoler and Marcus had driven up from LA to be there at this event--and rousing rounds of applause which gratified Blaser—you could tell—to the point of tears, this crazy loud applause which I hadn't heard since I used to see Callas lecture at Juilliard in the early 70s. Made me feel quite an old hand it did! But afterwards I told Dodie I was convinced that this was not the last time we'd see Robin, far from it, he seems wonderfully fit and he'll be around for many years--don't ask me how I know--I flunked out of medical school--and I was only psychic one time--but come back to me in 10 years and you'll see, he'll still be stumping the States. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:56:22 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: ottawa small press book fair (reminder) Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT the ottawa small press book fair (fall edition) will be happening Saturday, October 27, 2007 in room 203 of the Jack Purcell Community Centre (on Elgin, at 320 Jack Purcell Lane) for more info on this or other book fairs around Canada (if you have one, let me know!) check out: http://smallpressbookfair.blogspot.com/ -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:40:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jack Foley Subject: Email Addresses for Donald Hall & Eliot Weinberger Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know email addresses for Donald Hall &/or Eliot Weinberger? ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:14:02 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Larissa Shmailo Subject: Email for John Ashbery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please backchannel. Many thanks. Larissa Larissa Shmailo (http://myspace.com/larissaworld) "The poet, like the lover, is a menace on the assembly line." -Rollo May _http://_ (http://larissashmailo.blogspot.com/) _www.myspace.com/thenonetworld_ (http://www.myspace.com/thenonetworld) _http://larissashmailo.blogspot.com_ (http://larissashmailo.blogspot.com/) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:18:53 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: Sidwalk (anti-war) blog news MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sidewalk blogger news: 9/17/07 http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=6374&l=faa87&id=654553661 Go to the third page of the album, where the most recent signs are recorded, and click on each picture to get a larger image and each sign's story. During this past week the sidewalk blogger --put up a roadside memorial to the war dead (or some of them) --acquired a co-conspirator, L.S., who put up three signs on Kahekili Highway --put four signs up on two pedestrian bridges over major windward O`ahu roadways, the Likelike in Kane`ohe and Kalanianaole Highway in Kailua. Aloha, S. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:14:04 +0900 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jesse Glass Subject: Ahadada Presents Kittihood By The Pussipo Collective, A New E-Chapbook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Catherine Daly and her Pussipo collaborators continue to deconstruct Hello Kitty in this wonderful, pink e-anthology. Cathy Eisenhower, Elisa Gabbert, Danielle Pafunda, and Kathrine Varnes all lend a paw and a claw, and it's perfectly free for the clicking at www.ahadadabooks.com. Enjoy! Jess ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:17:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) Human modeling again (notes for a talk) I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; there is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think of breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, early polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies to audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived from one human or other organism to another. Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated behavior of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin as synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat spread across the social; communication and communality extend the opaque body (metaphorically) into the translucent. Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from poly- gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say that _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation. Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken into account: 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of internalized images from virtual to real. 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within communication. Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer/ experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:24:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: question In-Reply-To: <46EDEE7C.4010505@myuw.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > spider > squid > octopus > ratking thanks, jason. 'brush set' isn't as evocative as 'octopus' or 'ratking', but it conveys the concept better, and it dawned on me today that's mainly what the primary language around it has to do. 'mask set' would be accurate, because the 'brushes' are 'masks'. a 'mask' is a grayscale graphic that hides and reveals some other graphic, in various degrees of opacity, depending on the shades of grey in the 'mask'. but 'mask set' is a bit esoteric. 'brush set' will give people something simple to begin with. it will get a bit more complicated and, hopefully, exciting from there; hopefully, it'll open into the creation of types of graphics no one has seen yet. in transition from 'dbslideshow' to 'dbcinema'. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:00:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eireene Nealand Subject: Re: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey, interesting stuff. Hope to hear more about it as you go. Sam Weber at UCLA, by the way, is doing some interesting related work on the skin as a sampling device, or a screen. and Wlad Godzich at UC Santa Cruz is working with the possibility of using the DNA metaphor for thinking about posthuman identity. See also Steve Barker's book 'Autoaesthetics' which was quite early and so, sometimes limited but the first two chapters are quite good. There is a lot, I think to be done in thinking about iterative identities. fluid dynamics and chaos theory are in some ways providing us with a real chance to break down all of these body/surface dualisms, (the brain, Godzich likes to say, is a very densely folded skin, made out of that same material, he says). And the insects/swarms are realy related to all of this, right? i had an idea about avatars, and why this possibility of being in multiple places at once, via virtuality, requires precisely if not an iterative way of thinking than at least a relativistic, comparative one, but it's a long story, moire patterns, duchamp. etc. e On 9/17/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: > (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) > > > Human modeling again (notes for a talk) > > > I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI > communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. > > Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; there > is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think of > breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, early > polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies to > audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived from one > human or other organism to another. > > Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated behavior > of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin as > synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat > spread across the social; communication and communality extend the opaque > body (metaphorically) into the translucent. > Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. > > Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ > introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, > i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from poly- > gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one > remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say that > _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) > Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation. > > Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken into > account: > 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across > domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. > 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of internalized > images from virtual to real. > 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within > communication. > Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. > (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) > > But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and > epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be > thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects > described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and > medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider > the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. > > One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling > systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in > relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer/ > experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:55:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Sylvester Pollet Subject: Walk poems In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Don't miss Allen's haiku: Put on my shirt and took it off in the sun walking the path to lunch. "221 Syllables at Rocky Mountain Dharma Center" (from White Shroud) best, Sylvester On Sep 18, 2007, at 12:04 AM, POETICS automatic digest system wrote: > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent=20 > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? > > I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, > using = > the > campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into = > Special > Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. > It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet > that > emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. > available = > to > see, explore. > > I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal = > pieces. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stephen Vincent > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:06:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: FootHills Harvest reading Saturday 9-22 Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii FootHills Publishing Wheeler Hill Harvest Reading Saturday, September 22, 3:00 PM At the Czarnecki Homestead on Wheeler Hill Primitive (no indoor bathroom) and rustic, but beautiful setting. Directions online -- www.foothillspublishing.com/wheeler Featured Readers Heather Thomas and Dan Waber Open Reading to follow Heather Thomas is a professor of writing and literature at Kutztown University of Pennsylvania and an award-winning poet who also writes under the name H.T. Harrison. She is the author of five previous collections. Her first FootHills release, Blue Ruby, is forthcoming. Dan Waber is a visual poet, concrete poet, sound poet, performance poet, publisher, editor, playwright and multimedia artist whose work has appeared in all sorts of delicious places. Echolalia is a collection of poems forthcoming from FootHills. Homemade soup and conversation afterwards. Feel free to bring along some simple food or beverage to place on the community table. No admission but donations gratefully accepted. For those coming a long distance feel free to stay the night before or after at our Wheeler Hill homestead. Campout or throw a sleeping bag on the floor. Please drop me a note or call ahead of time if you'd like to do so and I'll fill you in with more details. Email or call for more info: fhp@foothillspublishing.com (607) 566-3881 p.s. Actually a triple header event - the reading, the autumnal equinox and our 23rd wedding anniversary. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:24:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: New Interview of John Ashbery @ KAURAB In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kaurab Online just published - A new interview of John Ashbery 1. Go to - http://www.kaurab.com/english/ 2. Click on Interviews Or directly go to - http://www.kaurab.com/english/ashbery.html Thanks Aryanil ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:37:06 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Tom W. Lewis" Subject: Saint Paul Almanac Release Party this Thursday in Saint Paul Comments: cc: fluffysingler@earthlink.net, larsonlewisproject@gmail.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable forward from Kimberly Nightingale: Saint Paul Almanac Release Party is on Thursday, September 20, 6-9 p.m. Everyone is invited to the Saint Paul Almanac book release party, Thursday, Sept. 20, from 6 to 9 p.m. at the Black Dog Cafe & Wine Bar to celebrate the release of the 2008 Saint Paul Almanac. The Black Dog is in the heart of Lowertown, at 4th and Broadway in Downtown St. Paul, MN. We're closing down the street just in front of the Black Dog, and the Rondo HalfPintz Drill Team, Irish dancers Scoil na DTri, Hmong cultural dancers and bagpiper Mike Breidenbach will be performing. Irv Williams will play his butter-smooth sax with pianist Aane Fosse. You can also street dance with the traditional folk band House Blend. Many quintessential Saint Paul characters will mingle in the crowd, including the Winter Carnival Royalty, Klondike Kates, and Wabasha gangsters. Free appetizers will be served throughout the evening, and we'll have doorprizes from Saint Paul retailers. This is a free, family friendly event. The Saint Paul Almanac celebrates the stories, poetry, history and other writings related to Saint Paul and the people who've lived here. This year's Almanac includes writing from Garrison Keillor, Alexs Pate, Carol Connolly, David Mura, Ethna McKiernan, Mahmoud El-Kati, Phebe Hanson, May Lee, and Brian Thao Worra. We hope to see you there! Best wishes, Kimberly Kimberly Nightingale Publisher | Editor Saint Paul Almanac http://www.saintpaulalmanac.com/ see also: http://minnesotan-ice.blogspot.com/2007/09/saint-paul-almanac-release-pa rty.html#links ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:43:52 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: 3 readings in Philadelphia coming up... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...actually there's also Rae Armantrout reading this Thursday at the Kelly Writers House on the Penn campus at 6pm, but that one seems to have gotten lots of coverage. At first I wasn't sure if I could get this link to stick, but this is a link which then links up the 3 readings I was talking about: http://phillysound.blogspot.com/2007_09_01_archive.html#4591888565630502584#4591888565630502584 I think this works! If it does not work, just go to The PhillySound and scroll to Sunday, 9/16 http://PhillySound.blogspot.com If you're in Philadelphia in September there's poetry every week, somewhere. CAConrad ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:19:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Heller Comments: To: poetryetc@jiscmail.ac.uk Comments: cc: british-irish-poets@JISCMAIL.AC.UK, UKPOETRY@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-751D4E90; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46EFFA8D248F=======" --=======AVGMAIL-46EFFA8D248F======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-751D4E90 My "Beckmann Variations," a critico-poetic mixed genre piece which I read at Birkbeck College this Spring has appeared in the latest issue of New England Review (Vol 28, No. 3/2007). Apologies for any cross-posting. MH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uncertain Poetries: Essays on Poets, Poetry and Poetics (2005) and Exigent Futures: New and Selected Poems (2003) available at www.saltpublishing.com, amazon.com and good bookstores. Survey of work at: http://www.thing.net/~grist/ld/heller.htm Collaborations with Ellen Fishman Johnson at: http://www.efjcomposer.com/EFJ/Collaborations.html --=======AVGMAIL-46EFFA8D248F======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg=cert; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-751D4E90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: "AVG certification" No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 = 11:53 AM --=======AVGMAIL-46EFFA8D248F=======-- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:32:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Prejsnar Subject: Language Harm tonite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for those in or near north Georgia: every other month the Atlanta Poets Group presents Language Harm, the south's premier poetry performance event tonight: The Poetical is the Political with special guest star Megan Volpert at Eyedrum 290 Martin Luther King Jr, Drive (3 blocks east of Oakland Cemetary) 8:00 pm $5 (for non-Eyedrum members) www.eyedrum.org www.atlantapoetsgroup.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:16:56 -0300 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: silviamiho Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I don't know if these are the kind of poems you are looking for, but the= re are some Creeley's poems like: " Walking", "Walking down a / walk," Wa= lking down/ backward" ," Walking the dog" and also " They walk in and fa= ll into". all of them in the " Collected poems-1945-1975. silvia miho if you include poems about going to creeley's burial place at tulip lane= in > mt Auburn Cemetery in Cambridge then you will prob have many other > poems--incl ed sanders' poem in hanging loose last year. > > > On 9/17/07 10:59 AM, "Thomas savage" wrote: > > > Allen wrote a poem called "Mugging Poem" during which he was mugged a= nd then > > talked to some neighbors and or potential witnesses. This obviously i= nvolved > > walking and or running a bit, if I remember correctly, although it's = not the > > kind of, I suspect, peaceful meditative walk you're contemplating. Th= at > > Allen's kept his presence of mind enough to write this poem of course= is > > meditative, in another way. Anyway, there's another earlier poem of A= llen's > > called At Apollinaire's Grave in which he visits Pere Lachaise in Par= is. I > > think he walks around the cemetery looking for the grave he wants to = and > > eventually visits. Is that a walking poem? Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Joel Weishaus wrote: Hi Stephen: > > > > I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a wal= k. You'd > > think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go on a walk with = Allan, > > and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations of Mt. Tamalpais. Altho= ugh > > Snyder wrote a poem on one of these walks (Allan wasn't on that one),= as far > > as I know Ginsberg didn't. I mention the one with Allan on the first = page of > > Reality Dreams: http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm > > > > Best, > > Joel > > > > > > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 > > From: Stephen Vincent > > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? > > > > I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, us= ing the > > campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Spe= cial > > Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. > > It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet th= at emerge > > out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to s= ee, > > explore. > > > > I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pi= eces. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Stephen Vincent > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. S=EDlvia Miho ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:25:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kevin thurston Subject: upcoming readings in buffalo MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline this thursday: 9/20 barbara cole & jay millAr 7 pm rust belt books, 202 allen st next week: 9/27 'this aint the chicago review' sean bonney, sophie robinson, ric royer & frances kruk 7 pm rust belt books, 202 allen st 9/28 academic trilogy: pilot, damn the caesars & p-queue launch 7 pm adam mickiewicz library, 628 fillmore -- author of How to Irritate Friends & Isolate People http://fuckinglies.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:25:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Fwd: Kaurab Online-22 is Out (link to cover & table of contents) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dear Reader Our new online issue (No.22) is out there for you. Please visit www.kaurab.com and click on the cover design of the new issue. This issue highlights =96 a) Poems by Yashodhara Raychaudhuri, Abhijit Mitra, Soumana Dasgupta, Afroza Soma, Shouva Chattopadhyay, Sabbir Azam, Piu Roy and Subhro Bandopadhyay b) Hospital Poem Series by Barin Ghosal and Santanu Bandopadhyay c) Rub-Art (cover) on Indian Summer by David Baptiste Chirot based on a poem by Sabyasachi Sanyal double click cover image to read the poem and its "Indian Summer" response d) Chhaayaashabda: Bread Art by Debesh Goswami e) The Poetry of John Ashbery by Aryanil Mukhopadhyay The new print issue of Kaurab (No.104) has also hit the stands in Kolkata and is available for purchase online. Enjoy and please send us your comments and critique. Thanks Staff, KAURAB ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:02:23 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Grant Jenkins Subject: Bookstore List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've posted the compiled list of innovative-friendly bookstores in North America and the UK to my blog . It can also be permanently found on my profile page . If you have more to add, please email me backchannel. Grant -- G. Matthew Jenkins Director of the Writing Program Faculty of English Language & Literature The University of Tulsa Tulsa, OK 74104 918.631.2573 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:21:41 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: L Guevarra Subject: University of California Press Annual Online Sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Dirt Cheap Online Book Sale begins today! Over 3,000 of our titles are being sold at dirt cheap prices! Dig through our vast selection of deeply discounted titles at http://go.ucpress.edu/sale07list. In order to obtain the discount price you must either sign up for the UC Press eNews weekly newsletter or download an RSS feed. To sign up for the eNews or RSS go to our website at http://www.ucpress.edu and there you can sign up for either services. Enjoy! -- Lolita Guevarra Electronic Marketing Coordinator University of California Press Tel. 510.643.4738 | Fax 510.643.7127 lolita.guevarra@ucpress.edu *Sale ends October 31, 2007. Sale prices not available in countries of Europe, Africa, India and the Middle East. *Additional discounts over and above the sale price will not be honored, eg. authors and employees. All orders must be placed online. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:22:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Denis Johnson In-Reply-To: <443187.57596.qm@web50710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sheila, it's good to hear from another Denis Johnson devote. I picked up a copy of The Incognito Lounge over, I think, 2 decades ago when I was miserable and living in Jacksonville, Florida. I got the book from the library. I picked it up because I thought it had a cool cover. I've been reading Johnson ever since. I haven't read the 'Nam novel yet, but I've heard it referred to as a "masterpiece" on more then a few occasions. It is interesting how the best poetry stays with you over the years. Having come across his work by chance is the sort of thing that normally happens in a Paul Auster novel. Johnson's poetry helped convince me to leave Jacksonville. I haven't regretted that decision. Take care, Steve Russell Sheila Murphy wrote: Steve, When The Incognito Lounge came out (it's named after a place very close to here), I memorized the whole title poem, and continue to celebrate many of the pieces in that book. The feel of the poems included changes across years, but I have always loved it - just in different ways. I knew Denis a bit when he was here in the Valley, and joined him and others in a writing group occasionally. He is indeed poetic and visionary as a novelist, as well. Looking forward to the new novel. Well received so far. Regarding Harrison, his ghazals are splendid, and I've read most of his work, also. I can see why you are taken with the work of these two, in addition to Auster's whose work are less directly familiar to me at this time (but it won't be too long). Sheila Murphy ----- Original Message ---- From: POETICS automatic digest system To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:04:52 PM Subject: POETICS Digest - 14 Sep 2007 to 15 Sep 2007 (#2007-258) There are 14 messages totalling 1119 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster 2. Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration—Jo hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 3. theory. the real. death. 4. September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) 5. New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook 6. Bill Griffiths 7. Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration—Jo hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 8. Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? 9. POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007 (#2007-257) 10. Frustration 11. 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement 12. NYC Prose Reading 13. Notice: Mudlark 14. Machlin/Solomon Book Party @ Zinc Bar NYC 9/16 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:58 -0700 From: steve russell Subject: Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster Denis Johnson has just published a new novel, The Tree of Smoke. I love the guys work. Anyone read Jesus' Son, or his poetry collected in The Incognito Lounge? He's in the same league with Jim Harrison and Paul Auster. These 3 are visionary authors. They've each written major work in fiction and poetry, as well as first rate short stories and plays. Great writers. --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:14 -0400 From: Tisa Bryant Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=97Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 FYI _______________________________________________ My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for. Gerhard Richter Begin forwarded message: > Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=97Johns Hopkins=20 > University Oct. 24-27 2007 > > > With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel=20= > discussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of=20 > Callaloo's thirty years of continuous publication will bring together=20= > a group of the USA's best creative writers, intellectuals, academics,=20= > and artists to launch the journal into the next thirty years.=A0=A0Some = of=20 > the more than 100 creative writers and scholars who will be reading=20 > and engaging in public discussions on writing creative texts and=20 > writing on these and other texts and the culture from which they=20 > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Lucille Clifton, Thadious Davis,=20= > Eddie Glaude,=A0=A0Brent Edwards, Thomas Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, = Farah=20 > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunyakaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule=20 > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal, Carl Phillips, Tracy K.=20= > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and many others. > > Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns=20 > Hopkins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration=20 > information, and the conference program.=A0=A0We hope to see you = there. > > =97Callaloo Conference Planning Committee > > http://web.jhu.edu/africana > http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html > http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619 > > THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO > > October 24-27, 2007 > > Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University=20 > Baltimore, Maryland > > WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24 > > 7:00 PM > > Welcome=97Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns > Hopkins University) > > Master of Ceremony:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africana=20= > Studies, > Johns Hopkins University) > > The Occasion:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, = Chapel=20 > Hill) > > Comments & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M=20 > University, College Station) > > 7:30 PM=97Keynote Conversation: Black Studies, the Academy, &=20 > Contemporary Black Communities > > MC:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III > > Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James Turner (Cornell=20 > University), William Strickland (University of Massachusetts,=20 > Amherst), Wahneema H. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzette Spencer=20 > (University of Wisconsin, Madison) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Farah Griffin, Columbia University > > THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 > > 9:00-10:30 AM=97Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after = (Almost)=20 > Twenty Years > > Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed=20 > (University of California, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke=20 > University), Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), &=20 > Fred=A0=A0Moten (Duke University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College = Station) > > 11:00-12:30 PM=97African American Literary Studies and the Feminist=20 > Critique after The Color Purple > > Panel:=A0=A0Susan Fraiman=A0=A0(University of Virginia), Daphne Brooks=20= > (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall,=20 > (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts at=20 > Lowell), Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carmen=20 > Gillespie (Bucknell University) > > Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University) > > 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch > > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA > > Panel:=A0=A0Tour=E9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State University),=20= > Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill), Martha=20 > Southgate (Brooklyn College), &=A0=A0David Wright (University of = Illinois,=20 > Urban-Chapaign) > > Moderator:=A0=A0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington) > > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading > > Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson > > MC:=A0=A0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins University) > > 8:00 PM=97Fiction & Poetry Readings > > Readers:=A0=A0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille = Clifton=A0=A0(St.=20 > Mary's College, Maryland) > > MC:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) > Welcome: David Taft Terry > Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum > > FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26 > > 9:00-10:30 AM=97Querying the Black Diaspora > > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies=20 > (Cornell University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin),=20 > Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer=20= > (University of Wisconsin) > > Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station) > > 11:00-12:30 PM=97Caribbean Writers in the United States: Other Black=20= > Diasporas > > Presentation:=A0=A0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg) > > Panel:=A0=A0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance = (University=20 > of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York,=20 > Binghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (State of=20= > New York, Binghamton) > > Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marcos) > > 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch > > > 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA > > Presentation:=A0=A0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College) > > Panel:=A0=A0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra > Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae Van-Clief > Stefanon,=A0=A0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina State University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Dante Micheaux (New York University) > > 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movement in = the=20 > USA > > Presentation:=A0=A0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University) > > Respondents:=A0=A0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), David = Lionel=A0=A0Smith=20 > (Williams College), Gene Andrew Jarrett (Boston University), James=20 > Edward Smethurst (University of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Meta D.=20= > Jones (University of Texas, Austin) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Margo Natalie Crawford (Indiana University, = Bloomington) > > 8:00 PM=97Poetry Readings > > Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa=20= > (New York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St.=20 > Louis) > > Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Johns Hopkins=20 > University > > SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27 > > 9:30-10:30 AM=97Academic Editing and Publishing:=A0=A0The Johns = Hopkins=20 > University Press > > One representative from the Book Division > One representative from the Journals Division > > 11:00-12:00 PM=97Callaloo's Art > > Panel:=A0=A0Cherise Smith (University of Texas), Annette Lawrence = (North=20 > Texas State University, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=20= > Houston), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum,=20 > Houston),=A0=A0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & = Meta=20 > Ewa Jones > > Moderator:=A0=A0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&M University, College = Station) > > 12:00-1:30 PM=A0=A0 Lunch > > 2:00-3:30 PM=97Poets Reading > > Van Jordan (University of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of=20= > Vermont), Tracy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin=20 > (University of Massachusetts),=A0=A0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon=20= > University) > > MC:=A0=A0Kyle G. Dargan (American University) > > > 5:30-7:00 PM=97Final Keynote Conversation / African American Literary=20= > and Cultural Studies:=A0=A0The Present and the Future > > Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas,=20 > Austin), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright=20 > (University of Minnesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon=20= > Ross (University of Virginia), Fred Moten (Duke University) > > Moderator:=A0=A0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania) > > 7:30-8:00 PM=97Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman > > Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman > > MC:=A0=A0Kyle Dargan > > 8:15-9:30 PM=97Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks > > Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.) > > Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson,=20= > Director of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry=20= > Rowell, Editor of Callaloo > > 9:30 PM-Until=97Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues > > Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:29:32 -0400 From: Alan Sondheim Subject: theory. the real. death. theory. the real. death. Torture is senseless violence, born in fear. The purpose of it is to force from one tongue, amid its screams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret of _everything._ Senseless violence: whether the victim talks or whether he dies under his agony, the secret that he cannot tell is always some- where else and out of reach. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus. If he puts _the question_ at all, he will have to continue forever. Sartre (in the afterword to Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958) Experiment solitary touching the impossibility of annihilation. 100. There is nothing more certain in nature than that it is impossible for any body to be utterly annihilated; but that as it was the work of the omnipotency of God to make somewhat of nothing, so it requireth the like omnipotency to turn somewhat into nothing. And therefore it is well said by an obscure writer of the sect of the chemists, that there is no such way to effect the strange transmutations of bodies, as to endevour and urge by all means the reducing of them to nothing. And herein is contained also a great secret of preservation of bodies from change; for if you can prohibit, that they neither turn into air, because no air cometh to them; nor go into the bodies adjacent, because they are utterly heterogeneal; nor make a round and circulation within themselves; they will never change, though they be in their nature never so perishable or mutable. from Francis Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum or A Natural History, 1627 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:45 -0400 From: Mark Truscott Subject: September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) Dear friends of the Test Reading Series, Indeed, it's been a while. We are now ready, however, to unveil the first three months of the fall season of our programming, beginning this coming Thursday of all days. Yikes. Please mark those calendars. Thursday, 20 September 2007, 8:00 p.m. (note new start time) SEAN BONNEY and FRANCES KRUK (bios below) Mercer Union, A Centre for Contemporary Art 37 Lisgar Street, Toronto Free, free as the wind (though we still take donations) More info, links to samples of our readers' work, and recordings of previous readings at www.testreading.org. Thanks, as always, to the good people at Mercer Union for the support. Why not visit them online (www.mercerunion.org) to see what they're up to? Coming up: 25 October: Trevor Joyce and the Max Middle Sound Project 29 November: Oana Avasilichioaei and Angela Carr Hope to see you there, Mark ************************** SEAN BONNEY's selected poems, Blade Pitch Control Unit, were published by Salt in 2005. Since then he has produced Document:Hexprogress, Black Water and an ongoing set of versions of Baudelaire. His work has been translated into French, Spanish, and Icelandic. He lives in London and edits the lo-fi press yt communication with Frances Kruk. FRANCES KRUK is a dual Polish-Canadian ex-pat currently undertaking doctoral research at the University of London (UK). She works in noise, words, and paint, and edits yt communication with Sean Bonney. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0500 From: Eric Elshtain Subject: New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook Beard of Bees Press is proud to present Life & Style by Marie Buck, a chapbook consisting of poems constructed with language from MySpace profiles--language that has, in turn, been rendered into the poetic forms & styles of such poets as Wyatt & Dickinson. These poems will make you giddy, or your money back! http://www.beardofbees.com/buck.html Yours, Eric Elshtain Editor Beard of Bees Press http://www.beardofbees.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:07 -0400 From: William James Austin Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths Shit!!=C2=A0 Another "brilliant" gone to ground.=C2=A0 We'll miss you, Bill.= =C2=A0 Best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: mIEKAL aND To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:59 pm Subject: Bill Griffiths via Tom Raworth's website:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Bill Griffiths=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickard at dawn: I=E2=80=99m= assuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was a genuine in a poetic and academi= c world of mostly arseholes.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 he was in hospital last week but discharged himself and went to do hi= s dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but felt so ill he went yem half way=20= through. I think it was a heart attack as he was found with the radio and tv= and computer on. He=E2=80=99ll be badly missed=E2=80=93such an asset to thi= s region and a good comrade, like they say.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We exchanged notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the Mordern T= ower: his last words:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Well, the first year we had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd year=20= about 20 genuine callers, this year=E2=80=A6whee knaas? Perhaps a riot over=20= how to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and arrows arc-i= ng ower the ramparts.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Assuming I get there myself. Prostate seems to be growing unduly, my=20= photo must be on every CCTV in every public convenience in the region. Am du= e an op =E2=80=9Cin the next six months=E2=80=9D but they have a grand sense= of humour up here.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hope celebrity Cambridge suits ye still. A friend=E2=80=99s mother li= ves in Trumpington, which is a bend in the road and a few houses and an admi= rable church. She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 seeya oneday=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bill=C2=A0 =C2=A0 We won=E2=80=99t, Bill: and I fucking regret it."=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Here's his Wikipedia page:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffiths=C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:57:25 -0400 From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 hey, me too, Gerhard Richter. thanks a lot. love, bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Tisa Bryant To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:19 pm Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Jo hns Hopkins U= niversity Oct. 24-27 2007 FYI=C2=A0 _______________________________________________=C2=A0 =C2=A0 My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gerhard Richter=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Begin forwarded message:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Johns Hopkins > Uni= versity Oct. 24-27 2007=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel > dis= cussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of > Callaloo's thirt= y years of continuous publication will bring together > a group of the USA's= best creative writers, intellectuals, academics, > and artists to launch th= e journal into the next thirty years.=C2=A0=C2=A0Some of > the more than 100= creative writers and scholars who will be reading > and engaging in public=20= discussions on writing creative texts and > writing on these and other texts= and the culture from which they > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Luci= lle Clifton, Thadious Davis, > Eddie Glaude,=C2=A0=C2=A0Brent Edwards, Thoma= s Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, Farah > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunya= kaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal,=20= Carl Phillips, Tracy K. > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and=20= many others.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns > Hopk= ins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration > information, an= d the conference program.=C2=A0=C2=A0We hope to see you there.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > =E2=80=94Callaloo Conference Planning Committee=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > http://web.jhu.edu/africana=C2=A0 > http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html=C2=A0 > http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > October 24-27, 2007=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University > Balt= imore, Maryland=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > 7:00 PM=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Welcome=E2=80=94Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns= =C2=A0 > Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > Master of Ceremony:=C2=A0=C2=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africa= na > Studies,=C2=A0 > Johns Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 > The Occasion:=C2=A0=C2=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Cha= === message truncated === --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:39:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Bookstore List In-Reply-To: <46F012AF.9070704@utulsa.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Grant, thank you so much for compiling this!--it's so hard to keep track of how many independent bookstores are closing--it's happening so fast--thanks for the help with finding out how many are still open. Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Grant Jenkins To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:02 pm Subject: Bookstore List I've posted the compiled list of innovative-friendly bookstores in North America and the UK to my blog . It can also be permanently found on my profile page . If you have more to add, please email me backchannel.? ? Grant? -- ? G. Matthew Jenkins? Director of the Writing Program? Faculty of English Language & Literature? The University of Tulsa? Tulsa, OK 74104? 918.631.2573? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:11:46 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: Jonathan Meakin, Douglas Barbour + Sheila Murphy Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT An evening of poetry with Jonathan Meakin (Edmonton) and Continuations o-authors Douglas Barbour (Edmonton) + Sheila Murphy (Phoenix AZ) 7:30pm, Thursday September 20 Hulbert's Cafe, 7601-115 Street, Edmonton Alberta recent interview with Douglas Barbour: http://albertawriting.blogspot.com/2007/09/12-or-20-questions-with-douglas-barbour.html recent interview with Sheila Murphy: http://12or20questions.blogspot.com/2007/09/12-or-20-questions-with-sheila-e-murphy.html information on Continuations: http://www.uap.ualberta.ca/UAP.asp?LID=41&bookID=664 come early! seating limited! -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:21:50 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" MIME-Version: 1.0 Also Milton, going blind, recited, what? Paradise Lost to his daughter? Or = something? Like... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:31:57 -0800 >=20 >=20 > Hi Stephen: >=20 > I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a=20 > walk. You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go=20 > on a walk with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations=20 > of Mt. Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these=20 > walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't.=20 > I mention the one with Allan on the first page of Reality Dreams:=20 > http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm >=20 > Best, > Joel >=20 >=20 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? >=20 > I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford,=20 > using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk=20 > is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley=20 > archives. > It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either=20 > poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original=20 > mss. available to see, explore. >=20 > I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal piec= es. >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Stephen Vincent > =3D Pangaea Carpets - Unique Area Rugs Your trusted source for Endless Knot, Tibet Rug Company, Samad, E'bella, Ru= gs by Robinson and more. Compare our prices on Rugs that stand apart from t= he ordinary. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D6916b28cc702b2664aa1b= 7499d90a84a --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:31:00 -0700 Reply-To: linda norton Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: linda norton Subject: Re: Denis Johnson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of my favorite writers also. One line from the title story of JESUS SON= stands out: the drug-addled narrator, no hero, finds himself alive in the = midst of gore after a car crash. In response to some request for help that = he cannot accommodate (too stoned), he says(I'm paraphrasing slightly), "Li= ke I'm the president of this tragedy." My copy of the book is at my office or I'd look it up. Better yet, everyone= read the story to find the actual quote. I've thought about this line many times in the last seven years. Linda -----Original Message----- >From: steve russell >Sent: Sep 18, 2007 12:22 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Denis Johnson > >Sheila, it's good to hear from another Denis Johnson devote. I picked up a= copy of The Incognito Lounge over, I think, 2 decades ago when I was miser= able and living in Jacksonville, Florida. I got the book from the library. = I picked it up because I thought it had a cool cover. I've been reading Joh= nson ever since. I haven't read the 'Nam novel yet, but I've heard it refer= red to as a "masterpiece" on more then a few occasions. It is interesting h= ow the best poetry stays with you over the years. Having come across his wo= rk by chance is the sort of thing that normally happens in a Paul Auster no= vel. Johnson's poetry helped convince me to leave Jacksonville. I haven't r= egretted that decision. Take care, > Steve Russell > >Sheila Murphy wrote:=20 > Steve, When The Incognito Lounge came out (it's named after a place very= close to here), I memorized the whole title poem, and continue to celebrat= e many of the pieces in that book. The feel of the poems included changes a= cross years, but I have always loved it - just in different ways. I knew De= nis a bit when he was here in the Valley, and joined him and others in a wr= iting group occasionally.=20 > >He is indeed poetic and visionary as a novelist, as well. Looking forward = to the new novel. Well received so far. > >Regarding Harrison, his ghazals are splendid, and I've read most of his wo= rk, also.=20 > >I can see why you are taken with the work of these two, in addition to Aus= ter's whose work are less directly familiar to me at this time (but it won'= t be too long). > >Sheila Murphy > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: POETICS automatic digest system=20 > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:04:52 PM >Subject: POETICS Digest - 14 Sep 2007 to 15 Sep 2007 (#2007-258) > > >There are 14 messages totalling 1119 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > >1. Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster >2. Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Jo hns Hopkins Unive= rsity Oct. >24-27 2007 >3. theory. the real. death. >4. September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) >5. New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook >6. Bill Griffiths >7. Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=9DJo hns Hop= kins University Oct. >24-27 2007 >8. Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? >9. POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007 (#2007-257) >10. Frustration >11. 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement >12. NYC Prose Reading >13. Notice: Mudlark >14. Machlin/Solomon Book Party @ Zinc Bar NYC 9/16 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:58 -0700 >From: steve russell=20 > >Subject: Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster > >Denis Johnson has just published a new novel, The Tree of Smoke. I love th= e guys work. Anyone read Jesus' Son, or his poetry collected in The Incogni= to Lounge? He's in the same league with Jim Harrison and Paul Auster. These= 3 are visionary authors. They've each written major work in fiction and po= etry, as well as first rate short stories and plays. Great writers.=20 > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links= .=20 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:14 -0400 >From: Tisa Bryant=20 >Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3D?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=3D9= 7Jo?=3D hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 > >FYI >_______________________________________________ > >My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for. > >Gerhard Richter > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >> Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3D97Johns Hopkins=3D20 >> University Oct. 24-27 2007 >> >> >> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel=3D2= 0=3D > >> discussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of=3D20 >> Callaloo's thirty years of continuous publication will bring together=3D= 20=3D > >> a group of the USA's best creative writers, intellectuals, academics,=3D= 20=3D > >> and artists to launch the journal into the next thirty years.=3DA0=3DA0S= ome =3D >of=3D20 >> the more than 100 creative writers and scholars who will be reading=3D20 >> and engaging in public discussions on writing creative texts and=3D20 >> writing on these and other texts and the culture from which they=3D20 >> derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Lucille Clifton, Thadious Davis,=3D= 20=3D > >> Eddie Glaude,=3DA0=3DA0Brent Edwards, Thomas Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave,= =3D >Farah=3D20 >> Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunyakaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule=3D20 >> Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal, Carl Phillips, Tracy K.=3D2= 0=3D > >> Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and many others. >> >> Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns=3D20 >> Hopkins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration=3D20 >> information, and the conference program.=3DA0=3DA0We hope to see you =3D >there. >> >> =3D97Callaloo Conference Planning Committee >> >> http://web.jhu.edu/africana >> http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html >> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D3D143619 >> >> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO >> >> October 24-27, 2007 >> >> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University=3D20 >> Baltimore, Maryland >> >> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24 >> >> 7:00 PM >> >> Welcome=3D97Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns >> Hopkins University) >> >> Master of Ceremony:=3DA0=3DA0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africa= na=3D20=3D > >> Studies, >> Johns Hopkins University) >> >> The Occasion:=3DA0=3DA0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, =3D >Chapel=3D20 >> Hill) >> >> Comments & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M=3D20 >> University, College Station) >> >> 7:30 PM=3D97Keynote Conversation: Black Studies, the Academy, &=3D20 >> Contemporary Black Communities >> >> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Ben Vinson III >> >> Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James Turner (Cornell=3D20 >> University), William Strickland (University of Massachusetts,=3D20 >> Amherst), Wahneema H. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzette Spencer=3D20 >> (University of Wisconsin, Madison) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Farah Griffin, Columbia University >> >> THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 >> >> 9:00-10:30 AM=3D97Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after =3D >(Almost)=3D20 >> Twenty Years >> >> Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed=3D20 >> (University of California, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke=3D20 >> University), Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), &=3D20 >> Fred=3DA0=3DA0Moten (Duke University) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College =3D >Station) >> >> 11:00-12:30 PM=3D97African American Literary Studies and the Feminist=3D= 20 >> Critique after The Color Purple >> >> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Susan Fraiman=3DA0=3DA0(University of Virginia), Daphne = Brooks=3D20=3D > >> (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall,=3D20 >> (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts at=3D20 >> Lowell), Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carmen=3D20 >> Gillespie (Bucknell University) >> >> Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University) >> >> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Lunch >> >> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=3D97Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA >> >> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Tour=3DE9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State University= ),=3D20=3D > >> Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill), Martha=3D20 >> Southgate (Brooklyn College), &=3DA0=3DA0David Wright (University of =3D >Illinois,=3D20 >> Urban-Chapaign) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington) >> >> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=3D97Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading >> >> Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson >> >> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins University) >> >> 8:00 PM=3D97Fiction & Poetry Readings >> >> Readers:=3DA0=3DA0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille =3D >Clifton=3DA0=3DA0(St.=3D20 >> Mary's College, Maryland) >> >> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) >> Welcome: David Taft Terry >> Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum >> >> FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26 >> >> 9:00-10:30 AM=3D97Querying the Black Diaspora >> >> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies=3D20 >> (Cornell University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin),=3D20 >> Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer=3D2= 0=3D > >> (University of Wisconsin) >> >> Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station) >> >> 11:00-12:30 PM=3D97Caribbean Writers in the United States: Other Black= =3D20=3D > >> Diasporas >> >> Presentation:=3DA0=3DA0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg) >> >> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance =3D >(University=3D20 >> of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York,=3D20 >> Binghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (State of=3D2= 0=3D > >> New York, Binghamton) >> >> Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marcos) >> >> 12:30-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0 Lunch >> >> >> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=3D97Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA >> >> Presentation:=3DA0=3DA0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College) >> >> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra >> Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae Van-Clief >> Stefanon,=3DA0=3DA0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina State University) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Dante Micheaux (New York University) >> >> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=3D97Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movement in = =3D >the=3D20 >> USA >> >> Presentation:=3DA0=3DA0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University) >> >> Respondents:=3DA0=3DA0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), David =3D >Lionel=3DA0=3DA0Smith=3D20 >> (Williams College), Gene Andrew Jarrett (Boston University), James=3D20 >> Edward Smethurst (University of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Meta D.=3D2= 0=3D > >> Jones (University of Texas, Austin) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Margo Natalie Crawford (Indiana University, =3D >Bloomington) >> >> 8:00 PM=3D97Poetry Readings >> >> Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa=3D= 20=3D > >> (New York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St.=3D20 >> Louis) >> >> Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Johns Hopkins=3D20 >> University >> >> SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27 >> >> 9:30-10:30 AM=3D97Academic Editing and Publishing:=3DA0=3DA0The Johns = =3D >Hopkins=3D20 >> University Press >> >> One representative from the Book Division >> One representative from the Journals Division >> >> 11:00-12:00 PM=3D97Callaloo's Art >> >> Panel:=3DA0=3DA0Cherise Smith (University of Texas), Annette Lawrence = =3D >(North=3D20 >> Texas State University, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=3D= 20=3D > >> Houston), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum,=3D20 >> Houston),=3DA0=3DA0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), &= =3D >Meta=3D20 >> Ewa Jones >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&M University, College =3D >Station) >> >> 12:00-1:30 PM=3DA0=3DA0 Lunch >> >> 2:00-3:30 PM=3D97Poets Reading >> >> Van Jordan (University of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of= =3D20=3D > >> Vermont), Tracy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin=3D20 >> (University of Massachusetts),=3DA0=3DA0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mello= n=3D20=3D > >> University) >> >> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Kyle G. Dargan (American University) >> >> >> 5:30-7:00 PM=3D97Final Keynote Conversation / African American Literary= =3D20=3D > >> and Cultural Studies:=3DA0=3DA0The Present and the Future >> >> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas,=3D20 >> Austin), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright=3D20 >> (University of Minnesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon=3D= 20=3D > >> Ross (University of Virginia), Fred Moten (Duke University) >> >> Moderator:=3DA0=3DA0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania) >> >> 7:30-8:00 PM=3D97Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman >> >> Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman >> >> MC:=3DA0=3DA0Kyle Dargan >> >> 8:15-9:30 PM=3D97Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks >> >> Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.) >> >> Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson,=3D2= 0=3D > >> Director of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry=3D= 20=3D > >> Rowell, Editor of Callaloo >> >> 9:30 PM-Until=3D97Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues >> >> Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc. >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:29:32 -0400 >From: Alan Sondheim=20 >Subject: theory. the real. death. > >theory. the real. death. > > >Torture is senseless violence, born in fear. The purpose of it is to force >from one tongue, amid its screams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret >of _everything._ Senseless violence: whether the victim talks or whether >he dies under his agony, the secret that he cannot tell is always some- >where else and out of reach. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus. >If he puts _the question_ at all, he will have to continue forever. > >Sartre (in the afterword to Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958) > >Experiment solitary touching the impossibility of annihilation. > >100. There is nothing more certain in nature than that it is impossible >for any body to be utterly annihilated; but that as it was the work of the >omnipotency of God to make somewhat of nothing, so it requireth the like >omnipotency to turn somewhat into nothing. And therefore it is well said >by an obscure writer of the sect of the chemists, that there is no such >way to effect the strange transmutations of bodies, as to endevour and >urge by all means the reducing of them to nothing. And herein is contained >also a great secret of preservation of bodies from change; for if you can >prohibit, that they neither turn into air, because no air cometh to them; >nor go into the bodies adjacent, because they are utterly heterogeneal; >nor make a round and circulation within themselves; they will never >change, though they be in their nature never so perishable or mutable. > >from Francis Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum or A Natural History, 1627 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:45 -0400 >From: Mark Truscott=20 >Subject: September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) > >Dear friends of the Test Reading Series, > >Indeed, it's been a while. We are now ready, however, to unveil the >first three months of the fall season of our programming, beginning >this coming Thursday of all days. Yikes. > >Please mark those calendars. > >Thursday, 20 September 2007, 8:00 p.m. (note new start time) >SEAN BONNEY and FRANCES KRUK (bios below) >Mercer Union, A Centre for Contemporary Art >37 Lisgar Street, Toronto >Free, free as the wind (though we still take donations) > >More info, links to samples of our readers' work, and recordings of >previous readings at www.testreading.org. > >Thanks, as always, to the good people at Mercer Union for the support. >Why not visit them online (www.mercerunion.org) to see what they're up >to? > >Coming up: > >25 October: Trevor Joyce and the Max Middle Sound Project >29 November: Oana Avasilichioaei and Angela Carr > >Hope to see you there, > >Mark > >************************** > >SEAN BONNEY's selected poems, Blade Pitch Control Unit, were published >by Salt in 2005. Since then he has produced Document:Hexprogress, >Black Water and an ongoing set of versions of Baudelaire. His work has >been translated into French, Spanish, and Icelandic. He lives in >London and edits the lo-fi press yt communication with Frances Kruk. > >FRANCES KRUK is a dual Polish-Canadian ex-pat currently undertaking >doctoral research at the University of London (UK). She works in >noise, words, and paint, and edits yt communication with Sean Bonney. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0500 >From: Eric Elshtain=20 >Subject: New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook > >Beard of Bees Press is proud to present Life & Style by Marie Buck, a chap= book=20 >consisting of poems constructed with language from MySpace profiles--langu= age=20 >that has, in turn, been rendered into the poetic forms & styles of such po= ets as=20 >Wyatt & Dickinson.=20 > >These poems will make you giddy, or your money back! > >http://www.beardofbees.com/buck.html > >Yours, > > > > > >Eric Elshtain >Editor >Beard of Bees Press >http://www.beardofbees.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:07 -0400 >From: William James Austin=20 >Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths > >Shit!!=3DC2=3DA0 Another "brilliant" gone to ground.=3DC2=3DA0 We'll miss = you, Bill.=3D >=3DC2=3DA0 Best, Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: mIEKAL aND=20 > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:59 pm >Subject: Bill Griffiths > > >via Tom Raworth's website:=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >"Bill Griffiths=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >A short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickard at dawn: I=3DE2=3D= 80=3D99m=3D >assuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was a genuine in a poetic and academ= i=3D >c world of mostly arseholes.=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 he was in hospital last week but discharged himself and went to= do hi=3D >s dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but felt so ill he went yem half wa= y=3D20=3D >through. I think it was a heart attack as he was found with the radio and = tv=3D >and computer on. He=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll be badly missed=3DE2=3D80=3D93such an= asset to thi=3D >s region and a good comrade, like they say.=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >We exchanged notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the Mordern= T=3D >ower: his last words:=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 Well, the first year we had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd= year=3D20=3D >about 20 genuine callers, this year=3DE2=3D80=3DA6whee knaas? Perhaps a ri= ot over=3D20=3D >how to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and arrows arc= -i=3D >ng ower the ramparts.=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 Assuming I get there myself. Prostate seems to be growing undul= y, my=3D20=3D >photo must be on every CCTV in every public convenience in the region. Am = du=3D >e an op =3DE2=3D80=3D9Cin the next six months=3DE2=3D80=3D9D but they have= a grand sense=3D >of humour up here.=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 Hope celebrity Cambridge suits ye still. A friend=3DE2=3D80=3D9= 9s mother li=3D >ves in Trumpington, which is a bend in the road and a few houses and an ad= mi=3D >rable church. She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that!=3DC2=3DA= 0 >=3DC2=3DA0 Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday,=3DC2=3DA= 0 >=3DC2=3DA0 seeya oneday=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 Bill=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >We won=3DE2=3D80=3D99t, Bill: and I fucking regret it."=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >Here's his Wikipedia page:=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffiths=3DC2=3DA0 > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - ht= tp=3D >://mail.aol.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:57:25 -0400 >From: Bobbi Lurie=20 >Subject: Re: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3D?utf-8?Q?=3DE2=3D80= =3D94Jo?=3D hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 > >hey, me too, Gerhard Richter. thanks a lot. love, bobbi > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tisa Bryant=20 >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:19 pm >Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3DE2=3D80=3D94Jo hns H= opkins U=3D >niversity Oct. 24-27 2007 > > >FYI=3DC2=3DA0 >_______________________________________________=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for.=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >Gerhard Richter=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >Begin forwarded message:=3DC2=3DA0 >=3DC2=3DA0 >> Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=3DE2=3D80=3D94Johns Hopki= ns > Uni=3D >versity Oct. 24-27 2007=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel > d= is=3D >cussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of > Callaloo's thi= rt=3D >y years of continuous publication will bring together > a group of the USA= 's=3D >best creative writers, intellectuals, academics, > and artists to launch t= h=3D >e journal into the next thirty years.=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Some of > the mor= e than 100=3D >creative writers and scholars who will be reading > and engaging in public= =3D20=3D >discussions on writing creative texts and > writing on these and other tex= ts=3D >and the culture from which they > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Luc= i=3D >lle Clifton, Thadious Davis, > Eddie Glaude,=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Brent Edwa= rds, Thoma=3D >s Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, Farah > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komun= ya=3D >kaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal= ,=3D20=3D >Carl Phillips, Tracy K. > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, an= d=3D20=3D >many others.=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns > Ho= pk=3D >ins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration > information, = an=3D >d the conference program.=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0We hope to see you there.=3DC= 2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> =3DE2=3D80=3D94Callaloo Conference Planning Committee=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> http://web.jhu.edu/africana=3DC2=3DA0 >> http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html=3DC2=3DA0 >> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D3D143619=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> October 24-27, 2007=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University > Ba= lt=3D >imore, Maryland=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> 7:00 PM=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> Welcome=3DE2=3D80=3D94Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of Englis= h, Johns=3D >=3DC2=3DA0 >> Hopkins University)=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> Master of Ceremony:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center = for Africa=3D >na > Studies,=3DC2=3DA0 >> Johns Hopkins University)=3DC2=3DA0 >>=3DC2=3DA0 >> The Occasion:=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0Trudier Harris (University of North Car= olina, Cha=3D > >=3D=3D=3D message truncated =3D=3D=3D > > =20 >--------------------------------- >Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listin= gs, and more! Linda Norton NEW WORK (words and images) at http://www.counterpathpress.org/cpathonline/issue%202/norton/nortonintro.ht= ml (When you get there, click on the title of the essay, and keep clicking on = NEXT as you get to the bottom of each page.) =20 http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/about.html ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:52:45 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Amish Trivedi Subject: Re: Denis Johnson In-Reply-To: <31726850.1190158260577.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I lent my copy to a friend who moved to New York. She claims to have returned it to me. I think I would have remembered. Amish linda norton wrote: One of my favorite writers also. One line from the title story of JESUS SON stands out: the drug-addled narrator, no hero, finds himself alive in the midst of gore after a car crash. In response to some request for help that he cannot accommodate (too stoned), he says(I'm paraphrasing slightly), "Like I'm the president of this tragedy." My copy of the book is at my office or I'd look it up. Better yet, everyone read the story to find the actual quote. I've thought about this line many times in the last seven years. Linda -----Original Message----- >From: steve russell >Sent: Sep 18, 2007 12:22 PM >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: Denis Johnson > >Sheila, it's good to hear from another Denis Johnson devote. I picked up a copy of The Incognito Lounge over, I think, 2 decades ago when I was miserable and living in Jacksonville, Florida. I got the book from the library. I picked it up because I thought it had a cool cover. I've been reading Johnson ever since. I haven't read the 'Nam novel yet, but I've heard it referred to as a "masterpiece" on more then a few occasions. It is interesting how the best poetry stays with you over the years. Having come across his work by chance is the sort of thing that normally happens in a Paul Auster novel. Johnson's poetry helped convince me to leave Jacksonville. I haven't regretted that decision. Take care, > Steve Russell > >Sheila Murphy wrote: > Steve, When The Incognito Lounge came out (it's named after a place very close to here), I memorized the whole title poem, and continue to celebrate many of the pieces in that book. The feel of the poems included changes across years, but I have always loved it - just in different ways. I knew Denis a bit when he was here in the Valley, and joined him and others in a writing group occasionally. > >He is indeed poetic and visionary as a novelist, as well. Looking forward to the new novel. Well received so far. > >Regarding Harrison, his ghazals are splendid, and I've read most of his work, also. > >I can see why you are taken with the work of these two, in addition to Auster's whose work are less directly familiar to me at this time (but it won't be too long). > >Sheila Murphy > > >----- Original Message ---- >From: POETICS automatic digest system > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 9:04:52 PM >Subject: POETICS Digest - 14 Sep 2007 to 15 Sep 2007 (#2007-258) > > >There are 14 messages totalling 1119 lines in this issue. > >Topics of the day: > >1. Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster >2. Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration—Jo hns Hopkins University Oct. >24-27 2007 >3. theory. the real. death. >4. September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) >5. New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook >6. Bill Griffiths >7. Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration—Jo hns Hopkins University Oct. >24-27 2007 >8. Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? >9. POETICS Digest - 13 Sep 2007 to 14 Sep 2007 (#2007-257) >10. Frustration >11. 1913's Rozanova Prize announcement >12. NYC Prose Reading >13. Notice: Mudlark >14. Machlin/Solomon Book Party @ Zinc Bar NYC 9/16 > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:30:58 -0700 >From: steve russell > >Subject: Denis Johnson/Jim Harrison/Paul Auster > >Denis Johnson has just published a new novel, The Tree of Smoke. I love the guys work. Anyone read Jesus' Son, or his poetry collected in The Incognito Lounge? He's in the same league with Jim Harrison and Paul Auster. These 3 are visionary authors. They've each written major work in fiction and poetry, as well as first rate short stories and plays. Great writers. > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:19:14 -0400 >From: Tisa Bryant >Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?WINDOWS-1252?Q?=97Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 > >FYI >_______________________________________________ > >My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for. > >Gerhard Richter > > > >Begin forwarded message: > >> Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=97Johns Hopkins=20 >> University Oct. 24-27 2007 >> >> >> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel=20= > >> discussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of=20 >> Callaloo's thirty years of continuous publication will bring together=20= > >> a group of the USA's best creative writers, intellectuals, academics,=20= > >> and artists to launch the journal into the next thirty years.=A0=A0Some = >of=20 >> the more than 100 creative writers and scholars who will be reading=20 >> and engaging in public discussions on writing creative texts and=20 >> writing on these and other texts and the culture from which they=20 >> derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Lucille Clifton, Thadious Davis,=20= > >> Eddie Glaude,=A0=A0Brent Edwards, Thomas Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, = >Farah=20 >> Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunyakaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule=20 >> Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal, Carl Phillips, Tracy K.=20= > >> Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and many others. >> >> Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns=20 >> Hopkins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration=20 >> information, and the conference program.=A0=A0We hope to see you = >there. >> >> =97Callaloo Conference Planning Committee >> >> http://web.jhu.edu/africana >> http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html >> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619 >> >> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO >> >> October 24-27, 2007 >> >> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University=20 >> Baltimore, Maryland >> >> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24 >> >> 7:00 PM >> >> Welcome=97Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns >> Hopkins University) >> >> Master of Ceremony:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africana=20= > >> Studies, >> Johns Hopkins University) >> >> The Occasion:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, = >Chapel=20 >> Hill) >> >> Comments & Acknowledgements: Charles Henry Rowell (Texas A&M=20 >> University, College Station) >> >> 7:30 PM=97Keynote Conversation: Black Studies, the Academy, &=20 >> Contemporary Black Communities >> >> MC:=A0=A0Ben Vinson III >> >> Panel: Eddie Glaude (Princeton University), James Turner (Cornell=20 >> University), William Strickland (University of Massachusetts,=20 >> Amherst), Wahneema H. Lubiano (Duke University), & Suzette Spencer=20 >> (University of Wisconsin, Madison) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Farah Griffin, Columbia University >> >> THURSDAY, OCTOBER 25 >> >> 9:00-10:30 AM=97Henry Louis Gates' The Signifying Monkey after = >(Almost)=20 >> Twenty Years >> >> Panel: Joyce Ann Joyce (Temple University), Abdul JanMohammed=20 >> (University of California, Berkeley), Mark Anthony Neal (Duke=20 >> University), Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), &=20 >> Fred=A0=A0Moten (Duke University) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Michael Collins (Texas A&M University, College = >Station) >> >> 11:00-12:30 PM=97African American Literary Studies and the Feminist=20 >> Critique after The Color Purple >> >> Panel:=A0=A0Susan Fraiman=A0=A0(University of Virginia), Daphne Brooks=20= > >> (Princeton), Deborah Grey White (Rutgers University), Kim Hall,=20 >> (Barnard College), Keith Mitchell (University of Massachusetts at=20 >> Lowell), Lovalearie King (Pennsylvania State University), & Carmen=20 >> Gillespie (Bucknell University) >> >> Moderator: Cheryl Wall (Rutgers University) >> >> 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch >> >> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing & Publishing Fiction in the USA >> >> Panel:=A0=A0Tour=E9, Jewel Parker Rhodes (Arizona State University),=20= > >> Randall Kenan (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill), Martha=20 >> Southgate (Brooklyn College), &=A0=A0David Wright (University of = >Illinois,=20 >> Urban-Chapaign) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0John McCluskey (Indiana University, Bloomington) >> >> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Fiction Readings: Emerging Writers Reading >> >> Panel: Emily Rabateau, Tayari Jones, & Mat Johnson >> >> MC:=A0=A0Neil Roberts (Johns Hopkins University) >> >> 8:00 PM=97Fiction & Poetry Readings >> >> Readers:=A0=A0Paule Marshall (New York University) & Lucille = >Clifton=A0=A0(St.=20 >> Mary's College, Maryland) >> >> MC:=A0=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) >> Welcome: David Taft Terry >> Director, The Reginald Lewis Museum >> >> FRIDAY, OCTOBER 26 >> >> 9:00-10:30 AM=97Querying the Black Diaspora >> >> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia University), Carole Boyce Davies=20 >> (Cornell University), Jennifer Wilks (University of Texas, Austin),=20 >> Zita Nunes (University of Maryland, College Park), & Suzette Spencer=20= > >> (University of Wisconsin) >> >> Moderator: Shona Jackson (Texas A&M University, College Station) >> >> 11:00-12:30 PM=97Caribbean Writers in the United States: Other Black=20= > >> Diasporas >> >> Presentation:=A0=A0Fred D'Aguiar (Virginia Tech, Blacksburg) >> >> Panel:=A0=A0Sandra Paquet (University of Miami), Daryl Dance = >(University=20 >> of Richmond, VA), Carrol F. Coates (State University of New York,=20 >> Binghamton), Veronica Gregg (Hunter College), Thomas Glave (State of=20= > >> New York, Binghamton) >> >> Moderator: Nelly Rosario (Texas State University, San Marcos) >> >> 12:30-1:30 PM=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Lunch >> >> >> 2:00 PM-3:00PM=97Writing and Publishing Poetry in the USA >> >> Presentation:=A0=A0Thomas Sayers Ellis (Sarah Lawrence College) >> >> Panel:=A0=A0Carl Phillips (Washington University, St. Louis), Kendra >> Hamilton (University of Virginia), Erica Hunt, Lyrae Van-Clief >> Stefanon,=A0=A0Gerald Barrax (North Carolina State University) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Dante Micheaux (New York University) >> >> 3:30 PM-4:30 PM=97Poetry & the Legacy of the Black Arts Movement in = >the=20 >> USA >> >> Presentation:=A0=A0Sonia Sanchez (Temple University) >> >> Respondents:=A0=A0Cheryl Clarke (Rutgers University), David = >Lionel=A0=A0Smith=20 >> (Williams College), Gene Andrew Jarrett (Boston University), James=20 >> Edward Smethurst (University of Massachusetts, Amherst), and Meta D.=20= > >> Jones (University of Texas, Austin) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Margo Natalie Crawford (Indiana University, = >Bloomington) >> >> 8:00 PM=97Poetry Readings >> >> Poets Reading: Natasha Trethewey (Emory University), Yusef Komunyakaa=20= > >> (New York University), & Carl Phillips (Washington University, St.=20 >> Louis) >> >> Welcome / MC: Adam Falk, Dean of Arts and Sciences, Johns Hopkins=20 >> University >> >> SATURDAY, OCTOBER 27 >> >> 9:30-10:30 AM=97Academic Editing and Publishing:=A0=A0The Johns = >Hopkins=20 >> University Press >> >> One representative from the Book Division >> One representative from the Journals Division >> >> 11:00-12:00 PM=97Callaloo's Art >> >> Panel:=A0=A0Cherise Smith (University of Texas), Annette Lawrence = >(North=20 >> Texas State University, Denton), Alvia Wardlaw, (Museum of Fine Arts,=20= > >> Houston), Valerie Cassel Oliver (Contemporary Arts Museum,=20 >> Houston),=A0=A0& Franklin Sirmans (The Menil Collection, Houston), & = >Meta=20 >> Ewa Jones >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Stephen Carpenter (Texas A&M University, College = >Station) >> >> 12:00-1:30 PM=A0=A0 Lunch >> >> 2:00-3:30 PM=97Poets Reading >> >> Van Jordan (University of Texas, Austin), Major Jackson (University of=20= > >> Vermont), Tracy K. Smith (Princeton University), Dawn Lundy Martin=20 >> (University of Massachusetts),=A0=A0& Terrance Hayes (Carnegie Mellon=20= > >> University) >> >> MC:=A0=A0Kyle G. Dargan (American University) >> >> >> 5:30-7:00 PM=97Final Keynote Conversation / African American Literary=20= > >> and Cultural Studies:=A0=A0The Present and the Future >> >> Panel: Brent Edwards (Columbia), Meta Jones (University of Texas,=20 >> Austin), Keith Leonard (American University), Michelle Wright=20 >> (University of Minnesota), Ivy Wilson (Notre Dame University), Marlon=20= > >> Ross (University of Virginia), Fred Moten (Duke University) >> >> Moderator:=A0=A0Thadious Davis (University of Pennsylvania) >> >> 7:30-8:00 PM=97Fiction Writer Reading: John Edgar Wideman >> >> Introduction: Daniel Jerome Wideman >> >> MC:=A0=A0Kyle Dargan >> >> 8:15-9:30 PM=97Cocktails, Dinner, and Closing Remarks >> >> Dinner (Conference participants and invited guests.) >> >> Closing Remarks: Kyle Dargan, Managing Editor, Callaloo; Ben Vinson,=20= > >> Director of Africana Studies; Johns Hopkins University; Charles Henry=20= > >> Rowell, Editor of Callaloo >> >> 9:30 PM-Until=97Loving Callaloo/Stomping the Blues >> >> Celebration with live music, dance, drinks, etc. >> > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:29:32 -0400 >From: Alan Sondheim >Subject: theory. the real. death. > >theory. the real. death. > > >Torture is senseless violence, born in fear. The purpose of it is to force >from one tongue, amid its screams and its vomiting up of blood, the secret >of _everything._ Senseless violence: whether the victim talks or whether >he dies under his agony, the secret that he cannot tell is always some- >where else and out of reach. It is the executioner who becomes Sisyphus. >If he puts _the question_ at all, he will have to continue forever. > >Sartre (in the afterword to Henri Alleg, The Question, 1958) > >Experiment solitary touching the impossibility of annihilation. > >100. There is nothing more certain in nature than that it is impossible >for any body to be utterly annihilated; but that as it was the work of the >omnipotency of God to make somewhat of nothing, so it requireth the like >omnipotency to turn somewhat into nothing. And therefore it is well said >by an obscure writer of the sect of the chemists, that there is no such >way to effect the strange transmutations of bodies, as to endevour and >urge by all means the reducing of them to nothing. And herein is contained >also a great secret of preservation of bodies from change; for if you can >prohibit, that they neither turn into air, because no air cometh to them; >nor go into the bodies adjacent, because they are utterly heterogeneal; >nor make a round and circulation within themselves; they will never >change, though they be in their nature never so perishable or mutable. > >from Francis Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum or A Natural History, 1627 > >------------------------------ > >Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:33:45 -0400 >From: Mark Truscott >Subject: September 20: Bonney and Kruk at Test (Toronto) > >Dear friends of the Test Reading Series, > >Indeed, it's been a while. We are now ready, however, to unveil the >first three months of the fall season of our programming, beginning >this coming Thursday of all days. Yikes. > >Please mark those calendars. > >Thursday, 20 September 2007, 8:00 p.m. (note new start time) >SEAN BONNEY and FRANCES KRUK (bios below) >Mercer Union, A Centre for Contemporary Art >37 Lisgar Street, Toronto >Free, free as the wind (though we still take donations) > >More info, links to samples of our readers' work, and recordings of >previous readings at www.testreading.org. > >Thanks, as always, to the good people at Mercer Union for the support. >Why not visit them online (www.mercerunion.org) to see what they're up >to? > >Coming up: > >25 October: Trevor Joyce and the Max Middle Sound Project >29 November: Oana Avasilichioaei and Angela Carr > >Hope to see you there, > >Mark > >************************** > >SEAN BONNEY's selected poems, Blade Pitch Control Unit, were published >by Salt in 2005. Since then he has produced Document:Hexprogress, >Black Water and an ongoing set of versions of Baudelaire. His work has >been translated into French, Spanish, and Icelandic. He lives in >London and edits the lo-fi press yt communication with Frances Kruk. > >FRANCES KRUK is a dual Polish-Canadian ex-pat currently undertaking >doctoral research at the University of London (UK). She works in >noise, words, and paint, and edits yt communication with Sean Bonney. > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 09:53:19 -0500 >From: Eric Elshtain >Subject: New Beard of Bees Human Chapbook > >Beard of Bees Press is proud to present Life & Style by Marie Buck, a chapbook >consisting of poems constructed with language from MySpace profiles--language >that has, in turn, been rendered into the poetic forms & styles of such poets as >Wyatt & Dickinson. > >These poems will make you giddy, or your money back! > >http://www.beardofbees.com/buck.html > >Yours, > > > > > >Eric Elshtain >Editor >Beard of Bees Press >http://www.beardofbees.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:08:07 -0400 >From: William James Austin >Subject: Re: Bill Griffiths > >Shit!!=C2=A0 Another "brilliant" gone to ground.=C2=A0 We'll miss you, Bill.= >=C2=A0 Best, Bill > >-----Original Message----- >From: mIEKAL aND > >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:59 pm >Subject: Bill Griffiths > > >via Tom Raworth's website:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >"Bill Griffiths=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >A short and by inference shocking note from Tom Pickard at dawn: I=E2=80=99m= >assuming Bill Griffiths is dead. Bill was a genuine in a poetic and academi= >c world of mostly arseholes.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 he was in hospital last week but discharged himself and went to do hi= >s dialect gig at the tower on Saturday but felt so ill he went yem half way=20= >through. I think it was a heart attack as he was found with the radio and tv= >and computer on. He=E2=80=99ll be badly missed=E2=80=93such an asset to thi= >s region and a good comrade, like they say.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >We exchanged notes only a week ago, about his Dialect talks at the Mordern T= >ower: his last words:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Well, the first year we had about 5 visitors (by mistake?), 2nd year=20= >about 20 genuine callers, this year=E2=80=A6whee knaas? Perhaps a riot over=20= >how to pronounce the word butterlowey, with defenestrations and arrows arc-i= >ng ower the ramparts.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Assuming I get there myself. Prostate seems to be growing unduly, my=20= >photo must be on every CCTV in every public convenience in the region. Am du= >e an op =E2=80=9Cin the next six months=E2=80=9D but they have a grand sense= >of humour up here.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Hope celebrity Cambridge suits ye still. A friend=E2=80=99s mother li= >ves in Trumpington, which is a bend in the road and a few houses and an admi= >rable church. She is now an old widow with a cat, how about that!=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Have run out of rhymes, but save some up for Saturday,=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 seeya oneday=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 Bill=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >We won=E2=80=99t, Bill: and I fucking regret it."=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Here's his Wikipedia page:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Griffiths=C2=A0 > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= >://mail.aol.com > >------------------------------ > >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:57:25 -0400 >From: Bobbi Lurie >Subject: Re: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=?utf-8?Q?=E2=80=94Jo?= hns Hopkins University Oct. 24-27 2007 > >hey, me too, Gerhard Richter. thanks a lot. love, bobbi > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tisa Bryant >To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 5:19 pm >Subject: Fwd: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Jo hns Hopkins U= >niversity Oct. 24-27 2007 > > >FYI=C2=A0 >_______________________________________________=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >My concern is never art, but always what art can be used for.=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Gerhard Richter=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >Begin forwarded message:=C2=A0 >=C2=A0 >> Subject: Callaloo 30th anniversary celebration=E2=80=94Johns Hopkins > Uni= >versity Oct. 24-27 2007=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> With poetry and fiction readings, lectures, conversations, and panel > dis= >cussions at Johns Hopkins University, this celebration of > Callaloo's thirt= >y years of continuous publication will bring together > a group of the USA's= >best creative writers, intellectuals, academics, > and artists to launch th= >e journal into the next thirty years.=C2=A0=C2=A0Some of > the more than 100= >creative writers and scholars who will be reading > and engaging in public=20= >discussions on writing creative texts and > writing on these and other texts= >and the culture from which they > derive include: Carole Boyce Davies, Luci= >lle Clifton, Thadious Davis, > Eddie Glaude,=C2=A0=C2=A0Brent Edwards, Thoma= >s Sayers Ellis, Thomas Glave, Farah > Griffin, Trudier Harris, Yusef Komunya= >kaa, Wyhneema Lubiano, Paule > Marshall, John McCluskey, Mark Anthony Neal,=20= >Carl Phillips, Tracy K. > Smith, Natasha Trethewey, John Edgar Wideman, and=20= >many others.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Please find below links to the Center for Africana Studies at Johns > Hopk= >ins, the Callaloo conference homepage, online registration > information, an= >d the conference program.=C2=A0=C2=A0We hope to see you there.=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> =E2=80=94Callaloo Conference Planning Committee=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> http://web.jhu.edu/africana=C2=A0 >> http://callaloo.tamu.edu/conference.html=C2=A0 >> http://www.regonline.com/Checkin.asp?EventId=3D143619=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> THE 30th ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION OF CALLALOO=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> October 24-27, 2007=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Hosted by the Center for Africana Studies, Johns Hopkins University > Balt= >imore, Maryland=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 24=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> 7:00 PM=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Welcome=E2=80=94Amanda Anderson (Chairperson, Department of English, Johns= >=C2=A0 >> Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> Master of Ceremony:=C2=A0=C2=A0Ben Vinson III (Director, Center for Africa= >na > Studies,=C2=A0 >> Johns Hopkins University)=C2=A0 >>=C2=A0 >> The Occasion:=C2=A0=C2=A0Trudier Harris (University of North Carolina, Cha= > >=== message truncated === > > >--------------------------------- >Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! Linda Norton NEW WORK (words and images) at http://www.counterpathpress.org/cpathonline/issue%202/norton/nortonintro.html (When you get there, click on the title of the essay, and keep clicking on NEXT as you get to the bottom of each page.) http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/about.html "Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by posterity because he was the last to discover America." -James Joyce ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:17:48 -0400 Reply-To: jofuhrman@excite.com Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joanna Fuhrman Subject: denis johnson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Linda, That's such a coincidence. I just taught JUST that paragraph last week in my intro creative writing class. I typed up the paragraph and asked my students (in pairs) to rewrite it in a way that would be as sentimental and cliché as possible. It was pretty funny. best, Joanna -- One of my favorite writers also. One line from the title story of JESUS SON stands out: the drug-addled narrator, no hero, finds himself alive in the midst of gore after a car crash. In response to some request for help that he cannot accommodate (too stoned), he says(I'm paraphrasing slightly), "Like I'm the president of this tragedy." My copy of the book is at my office or I'd look it up. Better yet, everyone read the story to find the actual quote. I've thought about this line many times in the last seven years. Linda _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:05:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: University of California Press Annual Online Sale In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I highly recommend folks spend a few moments trolling around. Simply for signing up for one of their newsletters I got more than 50% discounts. Special gems I got are a hard cover of Silliman's Age of Huts for like $7 & Maximus Poems for $20. I also got a few wine books I've wanted for a long time. ~mIEKAL (at no time have I ever had any affiliation with UC Press :-) On Sep 18, 2007, at 2:21 PM, L Guevarra wrote: > The Dirt Cheap Online Book Sale begins today! > > Over 3,000 of our titles are being sold at dirt cheap prices! Dig > through our vast selection of deeply discounted titles at http:// > go.ucpress.edu/sale07list. > > In order to obtain the discount price you must either sign up for > the UC Press eNews weekly newsletter or download an RSS feed. To > sign up for the eNews or RSS go to our website at http:// > www.ucpress.edu and there you can sign up for either services. > > Enjoy! > > -- > Lolita Guevarra > Electronic Marketing Coordinator > University of California Press > Tel. 510.643.4738 | Fax 510.643.7127 > lolita.guevarra@ucpress.edu > > *Sale ends October 31, 2007. Sale prices not available in countries > of Europe, Africa, India and the Middle East. > *Additional discounts over and above the sale price will not be > honored, eg. authors and employees. All orders must be placed online. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:15:08 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Diane DiPrima Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? Comments: To: "UB Poetics discussion group "@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU In-Reply-To: <20070918212150.AE81E13EED@ws5-9.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dictated it, actually. Or that=B9s the story. He had two daughters. Diane From: Christophe Casamassima Reply-To: "UB Poetics discussion group " Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:21:50 +0800 To: Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? Also Milton, going blind, recited, what? Paradise Lost to his daughter? Or something? Like... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joel Weishaus" > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:31:57 -0800 >=20 >=20 > Hi Stephen: >=20 > I don't know of any poems by Ginsberg or Creeley that come from a > walk. You'd think that at least Ginsberg would have one. I did go > on a walk with Allan, and Phil Whalen, one of the circumambulations > of Mt. Tamalpais. Although Snyder wrote a poem on one of these > walks (Allan wasn't on that one), as far as I know Ginsberg didn't. > I mention the one with Allan on the first page of Reality Dreams: > http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/weishaus/Real/real-1.htm >=20 > Best, > Joel >=20 >=20 > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:20:36 -0700 > From: Stephen Vincent > Subject: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? >=20 > I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, > using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk > is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley > archives. > It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either > poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original > mss. available to see, explore. >=20 > I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal piec= es. >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Stephen Vincent > =3D Pangaea Carpets - Unique Area Rugs Your trusted source for Endless Knot, Tibet Rug Company, Samad, E'bella, Rugs by Robinson and more. Compare our prices on Rugs that stand apart from the ordinary. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D6916b28cc702b2664aa1b74= 9 9d90a84a --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:38:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: notes like i used to write and some pictures for joy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Notes from the Structure of Reality In my Structure of Reality (which is under review), there are three funda- mental layers to what I call the 'topology of intention'; these are of interest since they critique any structuring, conscious or unconscious, 'like a language.' The layers are the real, interpretation, and language; there is a 'zone' between the real and interpretation, and mappings all across the layers. The real is knowable through interpretation which does not presuppose language (syntactics, sememe); the mappings are tight, how- ever, between interpretation and language. One might think of this as a pre-linguistic representation without the thwarting embodiment of lan- guage. You can see this at work when the 'unnamed' of the real skews into anomaly - in other words, when anomaly appears without the aegis of lang- uage. Consider for example something falling without the presence of an ostensible object; the 'something falling' might be construed as such by a thud or less-interpretable sound. Repeat this enough and a name is gener- ated; if it remains on the level of a singularity or the anecdote, it might be quickly forgotten - except for the possibility of a marker of some sort, for example, a recording. Heinz von Foerster: "Since nothing in the environment corresponds to negation, negation as well as all other 'logical particles' (inclusion, alternation, implication, etc.) must arise within the organism as a consequence of perceiving the relation of itself with respect to its environment." (From "Thoughts and Notes on Cognition.") SoR p. 69 Cyclical chains sailing past O and I - maybe modeling through the tangent function. Is the repetition assumed to be 'complete'? A cyclical chain is a loop with any number of nodes; think of one as nul, O, and another or the same as universal, I. Then circle. What happens? One moves from 0 through infinity perhaps then back again. The simplest equation here: tangent. Each revolution is marked perhaps by sliding along the x-axis: equivalent but not identical graphs. And so we're there. We can visit as many times as we like. Does distributivity really fail w gesture? (The old Land experiments in color vision as well as a structural analysis of gesture seem to imply that distributivity in Aristotelian logic fails in daily life - which further implies the potential for superimposition as the basis for a logic of gesture.) The thinness of language - ontologically existing on the level of the sheave - language carries no weight at all. From within the avatar, the sheaves, surfaces, have zero-width, one-pixel width, nul-width, as 2d mathematical manifolds embedded within 3d space; they've all got the same measure as the continuum, but zero volume in the embedding space - like- wise language has zero volume. Language, speaking, is always frustrated, flustered. It can't get around things. Meaning: One can't get around things through language, not even through performatives (which indicate real-material embodiment elsewhere). Meditation medication goes nowhere. Aristotle's Problems - sexual problems related to fluidity, abjection, in part iv - numbers pp 327-328, Loeb edition. The beginning of the fifteenth book is of great interest - he describes number systems with different bases which is fascinating given the apparent absence of zero. Conservancy of the Problems, Bacon of all people working through them almost two thousand years later; not that much had changed. The Problems are on the level of the anecdote - curiosity cabinet, wonders - same as any fundamentalist text - wonder upon wonder without internalized structure or subtext - everything is new, raw, unrelated. Or causality is pushed back into categories which are taken for granted, even though, like heat or air, they're composite. What is meant by modeling? Think of a 'world-particle' W whose scope is anything, process, etc.: W( ... ). what does that tell us? What are the processes of narrowing the scope, increasing the information - in other words filtering? Along these lines, modeling is always a filtering. Four negations: annihilation, -x s.t. --x > x; 'chain negation' s.t. -x > y; -y > z or whatever; combinations of these; negative of the 'set-aside' - form of retrievable absence. States and nodes of graphs represented/mapped into states and nodes of graphs - this includes the possibility of 'foreign' graphs which are disruptive. The whole becomes an excursion into description rather than explanation, which is seen as a subset. There should be limited copies of the Structure of Reality online/offline - dates from 1977, I wasn't a child. 10 linked images: http://www.asondheim.org/linked01.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked02.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked03.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked04.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked05.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked06.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked07.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked08.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked09.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/linked10.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:42:43 -0700 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Subject: a new collection of poems by Charlie Rossiter from FootHills Publishing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FootHills Publishing is pleased to announce the release of "The Night We Danced With the Raelettes" Occurrences In and Around College Park Maryland in the 1960s For the Most Part To the Best of My Recollection a collection of poems by Charles Rossiter. (Ordering information below) It's all here: leaving home for the first time, hanging out with guys from the dorm; road trips; summer jobs as diverse and improbable as delivering yeast for Budweiser, supervising a pick-your-own strawberry patch, and sweating it out in the coal fields of Bethlehem Steel. There are also musings about life, literature, friendship, and the bliss and pain that comes with searching for, finding, and losing love. "Charlie Rossiter's book takes us a high-speed journey into memory and the past. It makes the 60's come alive again. More importantly, it makes us laugh and cry. Tender, funny, evocative, this book is one not to be missed." Maria Mazziotti Gillan Founder & Executive Director, Poetry Center, Passaic Co. CC, Paterson, NJ and editor, Paterson Literary Review. >From the Book: When Someone Asks Me Who Was First We still lived in dorms segregated by sex but I lived on the first floor in back which meant that once we decided it was easy to lift her through the window walk around and come in the front door as if nothing monumental were about to happen but it did right there in my narrow iron dorm bed just a wall away from the distant din of rowdy dorm guys without dates on saturday night. When someone asks me who was first I think of Nanya and that night which is not precisely true. There was someone or two before her, I'm almost certain. I forget the details and the names. But the night I lifted Nanya through the window as if she were a princess, Lady Guenivere, Rapunsel-in-Reverse, and I were Galahad or Robin Hood or any stirring figure out of myth or legend. That night she became the first. Charlie Rossiter, NEA Fellowship recipient and threetime Pushcart Prize nominee, hosts the audio website poetrypoetry.com. A widelypublished poet, his work has been featured on NPR and numerous statewide public radio networks. During the `90s he hosted the Poetry Motel TV program, still seen on cable stations in some parts of the Northeast. His chapbook, What Men Talk About, won the first Red Wheel Barrow Prize from Pudding House Press. Other publications include CR's Greatest Hits: 19752001 and Around the House, also from Pudding House Press. He recently performed at the Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry Festival in NJ, and was among a handful of poets selected to perform at the 2005 Chicago Blues Festival. An expanded 2nd edition of Back Beat, his co-authored book of memoir and poetry was published by Fractal Edge Press (2006). He is profiled in Contemporary Authors. Some of the poems in this collection formed the basis of The Night We Danced With the Raelettes, a one-person play produced at Victory Gardens Theatre in Chicago. The Night We Danced With the Raelettes is a 60 page hand-sewn book with spine - $14.00 For more information, a picture of the book or to order on-line go to: http://www.foothillspublishing.com/2007/id176.htm To order through mail send total price plus $1.75 Shipping and Handling ($2.25 in Canada; $3.25 other countries) for each address sent to. (NYS Residents please add $1.12 Sales Tax per book) Send orders to: FootHills Publishing PO Box 68 Kanona, NY 14856 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:42:03 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Fwd: Bill Griffiths appreciation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received from Ken Edwards of Reality Street: A nice appreciation of Bill appeared in the Newcastle local paper The Journal – you can read it here - http://icnewcastle.icnetwork.co.uk/journallive/culture/tm_method=full%26objectid=19805663%26siteid=50081-name_page.html Thanks to Peter Hodgkiss for drawing my attention to it. Ken Edwards Reality Street Editions 63 All Saints Street Hastings, East Sussex TN34 3BN www.realitystreet.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:17:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: Boog City presents BlazeVOX Books and Compass Jazz Comments: To: "UB Poetics discussion group "@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Please forward ---------------- =20 Boog City presents =20 d.a. levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 BlazeVOX Books (Kenmore, N.Y.)=20 =20 Tues. Sept. 25, 6:00 p.m. sharp, free =20 ACA Galleries 529 W.20th St., 5th Flr. NYC =20 Featuring readings from =20 Joel Chace Amy King Ruth Lepson Douglas Manson Kyle Schlesinger =20 and music from Compass Jazz =20 There will be wine, cheese, and crackers, too. =20 Curated and with an introduction by Boog City editor David Kirschenbaum =20 ------ =20 *BlazeVOX Books http://www.blazevox.org/ BlazeVOX Books has published over 40 volumes, mostly poetry, and will publish approximately 20-25 more each year during 2007 and 2008. Their latest publications, are by Noah Eli Gordon, Joe Amato and Megan Volpert. *Overall Performer Bios* =20 **Joel Chace http://www.sidereality.com/volume1issue4/interviewsv1n4/interviewwithjoelch= a ce.htm Joel Chace has published poetry and prose poetry in print and electronic magazines such as 6ix, Tomorrow, Lost and Found Times, Coracle, xStream, Three Candles, 2River View, Joey & the Black Boots, Recursive Angel, and Veer. He has published more than a dozen print and electronic collections. Forthcoming from BlazeVox Books is Cleaning the Mirror: New and Selected Poems, and, from Paper Kite Press, Matter No Matter, another full-length collection. He is the poetry Eeitor for the experimental electronic magazin= e 5_Trope. **Compass Jazz http://www.purevolume.com/compass Compass Jazz group has been playing together for 30 years, at venues throughout New York City, and all over the U.S. **Amy King http://www.amyking.org Amy King is the author of I=B9m the Man Who Loves You and Antidotes for an Alibi, both from BlazeVOX Books, and The People Instruments (Pavement Saw Press). She teaches creative writing and English at Nassau Community College, is the editor-in-chief for the literary arts journal MiPOesias, an= d is a member of the Poetics List Editorial Board. **Ruth Lepson Ruth Lepson is poet-in-residence at the New England Conservatory of Music i= n Boston.Her previous book of poems is Dreaming in Color (Alice James Books) and the University of Illinois Press published an anthology she edited, Poetry from Sojourner: A Feminist Anthology. Her writing has appeared in Jacket, Carve, EAOGH, and Shampoo, among others. Recently she has been collaborating with jazz musicians. **Douglas Manson=20 http://www.buffalostate.edu/library/rooftop/members/manson.htm Douglas Manson is author of a book of poems Roofing and Siding (BlazeVOX Books), and recent chapbooks At Any Point and Sections in Four Seasons. He edits and publishes Celery Flute: The Kenneth Patchen Newsletter and little scratch pad editions chapbooks. **Kyle Schlesinger http://www.kyleschlesinger.com Kyle Schlesinger's most recent book is Hello Helicopter (BlazeVox, 2007). =20 ---- =20 Directions: C/E to 23rd St., 1/9 to 18th St. Venue is bet. 10th and 11th avenues =20 Next event: Tues. Oct. 30, 2007 Talisman House (Jersey City, N.J.) =20 -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:33:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Re: Blaser reading in San Francisco last Sunday MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, what a fantastic reading. Such incredible writing, and such a gorgeous, mellifluous voice. It felt historic, and very present. I feel fortunate to have been able to make it to SFSU before heading back to Madison. Still reeling from Blaser, from Norma Cole and Robert Gluck's lovely speeches... I had told myself, "you've got the Coach House edition--don't be too hasty..." but here I am, with the expanded "Holy Forest" and "The Fire," and thoroughly the better for it. He's an inspiration, no doubt about it. sleeplessly, from a motel in Kearny, NE, Andy --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! 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(Ordering information below) It's all here: leaving home for the first time, hanging out with guys from the dorm; road trips; summer jobs as diverse and improbable as delivering yeast for Budweiser, supervising a pick-your-own strawberry patch, and sweating it out in the coal fields of Bethlehem Steel. There are also musings about life, literature, friendship, and the bliss and pain that comes with searching for, finding, and losing love. "Charlie Rossiter's book takes us a high-speed journey into memory and the past. It makes the 60's come alive again. More importantly, it makes us laugh and cry. Tender, funny, evocative, this book is one not to be missed." Maria Mazziotti Gillan Founder & Executive Director, Poetry Center, Passaic Co. CC, Paterson, NJ and editor, Paterson Literary Review. From the Book: When Someone Asks Me Who Was First We still lived in dorms segregated by sex but I lived on the first floor in back which meant that once we decided it was easy to lift her through the window walk around and come in the front door as if nothing monumental were about to happen but it did right there in my narrow iron dorm bed just a wall away from the distant din of rowdy dorm guys without dates on saturday night. When someone asks me who was first I think of Nanya and that night which is not precisely true. There was someone or two before her, I'm almost certain. I forget the details and the names. But the night I lifted Nanya through the window as if she were a princess, Lady Guenivere, Rapunsel-in-Reverse, and I were Galahad or Robin Hood or any stirring figure out of myth or legend. That night she became the first. Charlie Rossiter, NEA Fellowship recipient and threetime Pushcart Prize nominee, hosts the audio website poetrypoetry.com. A widelypublished poet, his work has been featured on NPR and numerous statewide public radio networks. During the `90s he hosted the Poetry Motel TV program, still seen on cable stations in some parts of the Northeast. His chapbook, What Men Talk About, won the first Red Wheel Barrow Prize from Pudding House Press. Other publications include CR's Greatest Hits: 19752001 and Around the House also from Pudding House Press. He recently performed at the Geraldine R. Dodge Poetry Festival in NJ, and was among a handful of poets selected to perform at the 2005 Chicago Blues Festival. An expanded 2nd edition of Back Beat, his co-authored book of memoir and poetry was published by Fractal Edge Press (2006). He is profiled in Contemporary Authors. Some of the poems in this collection formed the basis of The Night We Danced With the Raelettes, a one-person play produced at Victory Gardens Theatre in Chicago. The Night We Danced With the Raelettes is a 60 page hand-sewn book with spine - $14.00 For more information, a picture of the book or to order on-line go to: http://www.foothillspublishing.com/2007/id176.htm To order through mail send total price plus $1.75 Shipping and Handling ($2.25 in Canada; $3.25 other countries) for each address sent to. (NYS Residents please add $1.12 Sales Tax per book) Send orders to: FootHills Publishing PO Box 68 Kanona, NY 14856 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:48:43 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Bell Subject: Teaching geezers, books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be teaching at a senior center. I'm looking for good books and publishers' addresses. Any suggestions welcome ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:01:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: James Cervantes Subject: Edit your replies, please! Re: POETICS Digest - 17 Sep 2007 to 18 Sep 2007 (#2007-261) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 9/18/07, POETICS automatic digest system wrote: > There are 29 messages totalling 3015 lines in this issue.> Had I done what a lot of people seem to do, you would have received a dozen screens of unncessary quoting. Please edit your replies and cut to the chase. Thanks! It gets in the way of my reading Alan Sondheim's marvelous posts. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Salt River Review: http://www.poetserv.org ~ http://www.hamiltonstone.org/catalog.html#temporarymeaning ~ http://www.fieralingue.it/documenti/mr_bondo.pdf ~ http://www.poetserv.org/jvc/home/index.html ~ UPDATED: http://home.earthlink.net/~jvcervantes/ ~ http://www.flickr.com/photos/12364573@N08/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:34:35 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: new on wordstrumpet: the dangerfield prize and other musings In-Reply-To: <618753.26467.qm@web86015.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/ * The Dangerfield Prize : those annoying prizes, and something to do about them (Read the full post below, if that's easier) * The Ministry of Silly Walks : John Cleese on authority in comedy * Poetry, Heresy, and Delirium : how does a drive-in in Connecticut connect to heresiology in contemporary poetry? * Another Kind of Heaven : chapbooks and why more libraries don't buy them The Dangerfield Prize I'm naming this post after something completely chimerical, as real at present as /Nessiteras rhombopteryx/ (the Loch Ness monster) or other triumphs of cryptozoology. But the Dangerfield Prize, and prizes like it, may have more going for them than cryptids like Nessie. Last month I mentioned the scholarship recently established for a student graduating from first Canadian poet laureate George Bowering's old high school in Oliver, British Columbia, who "must have a demonstrated interest in writing and be a bit of a pain in the ass." This scholarship, as I said at the time, opens up all sorts of new imaginative vistas for awards. I'm forced to think about awards in the fall, when I have to decide whether to nominate ten people (plus any number of single works in journals or other small press publications) for the Pushcart Prize. If I decide to participate, as I've done since 2002, my ten nominees will get a letter from Pushcart asking them to send their own selection from their 2007 small press-published work for consideration for the next year's anthology. If I also nominate single pieces from magazines and anthologies, the editors of those publications will get slightly different (but similar) letters. If any of my nominees actually wins, they'll become contributing editors as well and get to send in their own lists of nominations in future years. So why do I have to think about whether to go through this drill? Why isn't it more fun? Because since I've been doing it, only one of my nominees has actually won a Pushcart. The sheer number of nominations pouring in to Pushcart's P.O. box in Wainscott, NY, is enormous and (do the math: each year's winners become nominators) growing like kudzu every year. So any individual nominee stands a vanishingly small chance of winning. On top of this, there's more than a small aesthetic difference between my taste and that of the annually-chosen poetry editors. Bill Henderson, who founded Pushcart because of his own frustrations with the literary establishment, is, I suspect, a sterling guy who's pursued his mission with nothing short of heroism. Unfortunately, though, we don't happen to be on the same page (for the most part) about what constitutes an outstanding work of poetry in a given year. That, I think, is to be expected: these are /his/ awards, his bailiwick, and his taste (and that of his chosen editors) rules the day. But as a result I have to wonder: shall I really trouble, say, Rae Armantrout with another nomination, when she's never won? Why should she bother to go through the fairly onerous drill, only to lose yet again? Even worse, if I do nominate her again, and she puts herself through those paces, doesn't she begin to associate me with the absurdity of it all? Have I really done her a good turn, or have I wasted her time? Questions like these have made me puzzle over my nominations year after year, never seriously considering some extremely worthy candidates because I know they stand zero chance, and apologizing in advance to those I do nominate for what may be a particularly thankless errand. All this, plus the fact that there is almost universal frustration with awards of all kinds, has made me wonder: what's stopping any of us from taking a page from Bowering's book, or Henderson's, and launching our own awards? After all, there is actually no prize with a Pushcart Prize, other than publication. The scholarship given in Bowering's name (though probably not endowed from his personal kitty, though I don't have the inside poop) is obviously something most of us can't dream of setting up. But even if the prize loot were extremely modest indeed, or nonexistent -- other than some sort of fuss made by announcement and (for example) publication of the winning work(s) somewhere -- wouldn't it, at the very least, make some deserving writer's day, and be an absolute hoot? And, if the standards exercised were rigorous enough -- or witty and cryptozoologically wild enough -- couldn't it become more than that? Would it be ridiculous to hope that (in some small way) it could actually help to shape the aesthetic environment of the times? That's why I'm musing on a still very-much-imaginary Dangerfield Prize, and why I hope others will indulge in similar musings of their own. Rachel Loden http://wordstrumpet.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:02:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Gita MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Gita Could the ancients hear spherics directly? Oh, I think so! Otherwise the drums would not have been constructed with additive functions in mind. Nor with spectral tonalities in mind. Remember, they harbor air and other spherics, closed and vibrating! But surely not the aurora, is that additive? Or magnetic storms, antipodean lightning strikes, are they additive? Every particle has its split-second say! The drum reflects! The drum resonates! Eight fingers, two thumbs, the drum resonates! Whose counting? I am. http://www.asondheim.org/gita1.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/gita2.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/gita3.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/gita4.mp3 small Nepalese drum ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:25:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: Fellowship: University of Louisville MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Axton Poetry Fellow, University of Louisville, Fall 2008 Writers who have received their terminal degree within the last five years in Creative Writing are invited to apply for an Axton Fellowship in Creative Writing. The purpose of these fellowships is to provide recent graduates with time to further their own work, to associate them with a distinguished faculty, and to allow them to contribute to a vibrant creative writing community. Two fellows, one in poetry and one in fiction, will be appointed for the academic years 2008-2009 and 2009-2010, and will be awarded a stipend and benefits. Each fellow will give a reading in the Axton reading series once during her or his tenure, will run one, two-day literary seminar, and will teach one course each semester. Of these courses, one will be of the fellow's design, another will be on the teaching of creative writing, and the other two will be upper level creative writing or literature courses. The fellows will be expected to be in residence in Louisville during their fellowship period. The fellowships will provide a stipend of $25,000 a year plus benefits for two years. Candidates for the fellowship should submit the following documents: a) a current CV b) a one-page proposal for an undergraduate course c) a writing sample-no more than 25 pages d) at least three letters of recommendation. Applications must be postmarked by November 2, 2007. Mail applications to: Axton Fellowships, Paul Griner, Director of Creative Writing, Department of English, Bingham Humanities 315, University of Louisville, Louisville, Kentucky, 40292. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:26:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlotte Mandel Subject: Re: Teaching geezers, books In-Reply-To: <20070919084843.AQG10258@mtsu125.mtsu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Tom - I can send you a copy of out of print Saturday's Women: Eileen W. Barnes Anthology of poems by women over 40, ed and intro Charlotte Mandel, coedited Rachel Hadas & Maxine Silverman (Saturday Press). And a copy of my chapbook Keeping Him Alive, aged father/daughter interwoven with father/small child (Silver Apples Press). If you'd want more for your class, I'd have to check the supply. Backchannel your mailing address if interested. Whereabouts is the senior center? Charlotte On Sep 19, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Tom Bell wrote: I will be teaching at a senior center. I'm looking for good books and publishers' addresses. Any suggestions welcome ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina E Lovin Subject: Re: Teaching geezers, books In-Reply-To: <20070919084843.AQG10258@mtsu125.mtsu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom: PASSAGER is a journal that publishes work by older writers (http://raven.ubalt.edu/features/passager/). They also sponsor a poetry contest for writers over 50, as well as solicit work for other special issues. Passager recently began publishing books, as well. Christina Lovin -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Bell Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:49 AM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Teaching geezers, books I will be teaching at a senior center. I'm looking for good books and publishers' addresses. Any suggestions welcome ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:49:21 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Bernstein Subject: Fordham (NYC) reading series Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed POETS OUT LOUD FALL 2007 / New York all readings at 7:00 pm MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 24 Charles Bernstein & Rachel Blau DuPlessis TUESDAY, OCTOBER 9 Mei-mei Berssenbrugge & Tan Lin & John Yau THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 29 Bruce Andrews & Tracie Morris reception & book signing to follow free & open to the public 12th Floor Lounge Fordham University - Lincoln Center 113 W. 60th Street (corner of Columbus Ave.) For more info: http://www.fordham.edu/pol ------------------ http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/bersnstein/blog ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:47:06 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: CALL FOR SUMBISSIONS: Voices From Leimert Park In-Reply-To: <102205.65918.qm@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Leimert Park is a neighborhood in Los Angeles, CA CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS VOICES FROM LEIMERT PARK VOLUME II ELIAS WONDIMU OF TSEHAI PUBLISHERS IS PUBLISHING A SECOND VOLUME OF THE ACCLAIMED ANTHOLOGY VOICES FROM LEIMERT PARK IF YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE LEIMERT PARK LITERARY SCENE AT ANY LEVEL, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SUBMIT UP TO 5 POEMS (AS ATTACHMENTS) TO: MDATCHER@MSN.COM DEADLINE: FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 28 FOR MORE INFO CONTACT MICHAEL DATCHER 323.702-8586 ------------------------------ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket:mail, news, photos more. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos [image: Yahoo! 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe . __,_._,___ -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:21:08 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Music Scholar Barred =46rom U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why By NINA BERNSTEIN Published: September 17, 2007 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/nyregion/17musicologist.html Nalini Ghuman, an up-and-coming musicologist and expert on the =20 British composer Edward Elgar, was stopped at the San Francisco =20 airport in August last year and, without explanation, told that she =20 was no longer allowed to enter the United States. The latest news and reader discussions from around the five boroughs =20 and the region. Go to City Room =BB Her case has become a cause c=E9l=E8bre among musicologists and the =20 subject of a protest campaign by the American Musicological Society =20 and by academic leaders like Leon Botstein, the president of Bard =20 College at Annandale-on-Hudson, N.Y., where Ms. Ghuman was to have =20 participated last month in the Bard Music Festival, showcasing =20 Elgar=92s music. But the door has remained closed to Ms. Ghuman, an assistant =20 professor at Mills College in Oakland, Calif., who is British and who =20= had lived, studied and worked in this country for 10 years before her =20= abrupt exclusion. The mystery of her case shows how difficult, if not impossible, it is =20= to defend against such a decision once the secretive government =20 process has been set in motion. After a year of letters and inquiries, Ms. Ghuman and her Mills =20 College lawyer have been unable to find out why her residency visa =20 was suddenly revoked, or whether she was on some security watch list. =20= Nor does she know whether her application for a new visa, pending =20 since last October, is being stymied by the shadow of the same =20 unspecified problem or mistake. In a tearful telephone interview from her parents=92 home in western =20 Wales, Ms. Ghuman, 34, an Oxford graduate who earned her Ph.D. from =20 the University of California, Berkeley, said she felt like a =20 character in Kafka. =93I don=92t know why it=92s happened, what I=92m accused of,=94 she = said. =20 =93There=92s no opportunity to defend myself. One is just completely =20 powerless.=94 Kelly Klundt, a spokeswoman for Customs and Border Protection in the =20 Department of Homeland Security, said officers at San Francisco =20 International Airport had no choice but to bar Ms. Ghuman because the =20= State Department, at its discretion, had revoked her visa. The State =20 Department would not discuss the case, citing the confidentiality of =20 individual visa records. Mr. Botstein, who wrote to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice in the =20= hope of having the visa problem resolved before the music festival, =20 said Ms. Ghuman=92s case is symptomatic. =93This is an example of the =20= xenophobia, incompetence, stupidity and then bureaucratic =20 intransigence that we are up against,=94 he said, also citing the case =20= of a teacher of Arabic at Bard who missed the first weeks of the =20 spring semester this year because of visa problems. =93What is at stake =20= is America=92s pre-eminence as a place of scholarship.=94 Ms. Ghuman is certainly not alone in her frustration. Academic and =20 civil liberties groups point to other foreign scholars who have been =20 denied entry without explanation at an airport, or refused a visa =20 when they applied. A pending lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties =20 Union contends that the Bush administration is using heightened =20 security measures to keep foreign scholars out on ideological grounds =20= in violation of the First Amendment rights of American scholars to =20 hear them. But Ms. Ghuman=92s case does not seem to fit such a pattern. Few =20 believe that her book in progress, =93India in the English Musical =20 Imagination, 1890-1940,=94 or her work on Elgar, best known by =20 Americans for =93Pomp and Circumstance,=94 could have raised red flags = in =20 Washington. And if it were a question of security profiling, nothing =20 in her background fits. She was born in Wales. Her mother is a British homemaker, and her =20 father, an emeritus professor of educational psychology at the =20 University of Wales, was born in India to a Sikh family and moved to =20 Britain in the 1960s. Last semester, Ms. Ghuman tried to teach her =20 students by video link. This academic year, she is on an unpaid leave =20= of absence. =93The arbitrary and inexplicable exclusion of Dr. Ghuman has been a =20 personal tragedy for her and a cause of distress to Mills and to =20 American higher education,=94 said Janet L. Holmgren, the president of =20= Mills College, who called her =93one of our most distinguished faculty =20= members.=94 =93She seems to be in this limbo,=94 said Ms. Ghuman=92s fianc=E9, Paul =20= Flight, 47, who has visited her three times in Britain and is =20 considering a move there. Mr. Flight, a countertenor, co-directed =20 Darius Milhaud=92s opera about Orpheus and Eurydice with Ms. Ghuman at =20= Mills three years ago. Ms. Ghuman=92s descent into the bureaucratic netherworld began on Aug. =20= 8, 2006, when she and Mr. Flight returned to San Francisco from a =20 research trip to Britain. Armed immigration officers met them at the =20 airplane door and escorted Ms. Ghuman away. In a written account of the next eight hours that she prepared for =20 her lawyer, Ms. Ghuman said that officers tore up her H-1B visa, =20 which was valid through May 2008, defaced her British passport, and =20 seemed suspicious of everything from her music cassettes to the fact =20 that she had listed Welsh as a language she speaks. A redacted =20 government report about the episode obtained by her lawyer under the =20 Freedom of Information Act erroneously described her as =93Hispanic.=94 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:25:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed WHAT ARE THESE FISH Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg Time: late afternoon/early evening. Numbers: Approximately 1000. Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:51:10 -0400 Reply-To: sdz@buffalo.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Steven Zultanski Subject: Announcing President's Choice Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello there all, I'm happy to announce the publication of a new little magazine that perhaps= you will enjoy! President's Choice is a poetry magazine project that will run for 10 issues= . Each issue will feature 6-7 poets represented by 6-10 pages each. Issue number = one contains truly fantastic new work by: Marie Buck Rodrigo Toscano=20 Craig Dworkin=20 Laura Elrick=20=20 Bhanu Kapil=20 Paper Rad=20 Robert Fitterman The link to the really ugly blog selling this really good-looking product i= s this link here: http://www.presidentschoice.blogspot.com/ Also, a note: President's Choice is a Lil' Norton publication. So far, the other Lil' Norton titles are Model Homes and The Physical Poets= .=20 Both are interesting mags and worth checking out: http://www.modelhomepage.blogspot.com/ http://physicalpoetry.blogspot.com/ Best, Steve Z. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:45:39 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Bell Subject: Re: Teaching geezers, books MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great! Tom Bell St. Cair Senior Center 325 St. Clair Murfreesboro, TN 37130 tb2h@mtsu.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:35:43 +0200 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: cralan kelder Subject: Revenge of the american - Versal 5 launch at IVY in Paris (france) 9/25 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20070919204248.06065010@english.upenn.edu> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I realise that the majority of list recipients are in North America - on th= e chance that there are list members in Europe, I post this announcement =AD four of Versal=B9s editors will be reading this Tuesday the 25th at the IVY Writers Reading Series reading series for a Versal 5 launch; IVY Writers reading series, is moderated by american poets michelle noteboom and jennifer k dick this Tuesday 25 september will feature a culturally imperialistic invasion with the following poets of mixed-US origin: heather hartley kai lashley nicholas manning cralan kelder and prue duggan - australia anna arov - russia LA RENTREE 2007 IVY Writers' Reading +++IVY WRITERS PARIS launches another season with a reading for VERSAL Magazine issue 5 +++ 25 September at 19h30. AT: LE NEXT, 17, rue Tiquetonne, 75002 Paris (just off rue Montorgeuil) M=B0Etienne Marcel /Les Halles. Au sous-sol! Tel : 01 42 36 18 93. Entr=E9e gratuit. http://www.lenext.com/ On commence notre saison par une lecture en anglais pour la revue VERSAL (Amsterdam) avec Cralan Kelder, Nicholas Manning, Heather Hartley, Prue Duggan, Anna Arov et Kai Lashly! online details here; http://ivywritersparis.blogspot.com/ Obviously if anybody can make it, please come and say hello. Cralan Kelder Versal http://www.wordsinhere.com http://www.cralan.com --=20 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:16:01 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kathleen Ossip Subject: NYFA Fellows reading Monday 9/24 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit POETS IN THE GARDEN Anselm Berrigan, Brandon Downing, Sharon Mesmer, and Kathleen Ossip, all 2007 NYFA Fellows in Poetry, will read at the The Sixth Street and Avenue B Community Garden, with a question and answer period to follow. DATE: Monday September 24 TIME: 6:30 p.m. PLACE: The Sixth Street and Avenue B Community Garden Please join us! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:18:49 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christina Lovin Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area. Very cool photos! Thanks. -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : -------------- > WHAT ARE THESE FISH > > Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered > tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. > They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, > maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. > > http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg > http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg > > Time: late afternoon/early evening. > Numbers: Approximately 1000. > Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. > Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. > > WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:16:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad. Gerald S. >I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. >Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your >photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not >unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the >fish population in your area. > > Very cool photos! Thanks. > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > : -------------- > > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >> >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >> >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >> >> Time: late afternoon/early evening. >> Numbers: Approximately 1000. >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >> >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:29:22 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <092020071518.28108.46F28F590008268E00006DCC21602807410207900104D20C@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit herring! yummy! Christina Lovin wrote: > I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area. > > Very cool photos! Thanks. > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : -------------- > > > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >> >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >> >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >> >> Time: late afternoon/early evening. >> Numbers: Approximately 1000. >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >> >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:08:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: eric unger Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <092020071518.28108.46F28F590008268E00006DCC21602807410207900104D20C@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline lovely photos by the way... just hope they aren't an exotic invasive. On 9/20/07, Christina Lovin wrote: > I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area. > > Very cool photos! Thanks. > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : -------------- > > > > WHAT ARE THESE FISH > > > > Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered > > tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. > > They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, > > maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. > > > > http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg > > http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg > > > > Time: late afternoon/early evening. > > Numbers: Approximately 1000. > > Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. > > Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. > > > > WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:14:36 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As soon as I saw them the word "menhaden" came to mind...I don't remember ever encountering this word consciously, so I looked it up... and they looked like they... so thank you Angel Heurtebise for the transmission... if they are indeed menhaden.... what a lovely word.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:14:19 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Douglas Manson Subject: spare couch? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'll be in NYC giving a reading with BlazeVOX books authors next Tuesday (Sept. 25) for the Boog City d.a.levy lives reading series at the ACA galleries on W. 20th & wondered if there was anyone gracious with couch available in the NYC area for that night. Someone mentioned David K. but I don't know how to contact him. am d.a.levy fan, tho. Thanks, Douglas Manson ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:04:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <001601c7fbaa$0d8b3ef0$63ae4a4a@yourae066c3a9b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" wait! how this? http://www.reticulatedsplines.org/stuff/Fish!.htm? bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Schwartz To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:16 am Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad.? ? Gerald S.? ? >I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. >Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your >photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not >unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the >fish population in your area.? >? > Very cool photos! Thanks.? >? > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > : -------------- >? >? >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? >>? >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered? >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island.? >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species,? >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? >>? >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg? >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? >>? >> Time: late afternoon/early evening.? >> Numbers: Approximately 1000.? >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides.? >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? >>? >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:48:14 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September 2007 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, Let the readings begin! Also, Workshops! Your Pal, The Poetry Project=20 MONDAY, September 24, 8pm HETTIE JONES & JOAN LARKIN Hettie Jones=B9s twenty books for children and adults include her memoir of the Beat scene, How I Became Hettie Jones; the poetry collection Drive, which won the Poetry Society of America=B9s Norma Farber Award; Big Star Fallin=B9 Mama, Five Women in Black Music, honored by the New York Public Library; and No Woman No Cry, a memoir she authored for Bob Marley=B9s widow, Rita. Just published are From Midnight to Dawn, the Last Tracks of the Underground Railroad (with Jacqueline Tobin), and a third poetry collection= , Doing 70. Jones is the former Chair of the PEN Prison Writing Committee, and the editor of Aliens at the Border, a poetry collection from her workshop at the Bedford Hills Correctional Facility. Joan Larkin=B9s most recent collection is My Body: New and Selected Poems (Hanging Loose Press). Previous books include Cold River (which received a 1997 Lambda Award),and Sor Juana=B9s Love Poems (translated with Jaime Manrique). Larkin co-founded Out & Out Books during the feminist literary explosion of the 70=B9s. She has served as poetry editor for the queer journal Bloom and co-edits the University of Wisconsin Press autobiography series, =B3Living Out.=B2 Her anthology of coming-out stories, A Woman Like That, was nominated for Publishing Triangle and Lambda awards for nonfiction. In her fourth decade of teaching writing, she teaches in the low-residency MFA program in Poetry at New England College. =20 WEDNESDAY, September 26, 8pm LISA JARNOT & SPARROW Lisa Jarnot was born in Buffalo, New York and now lives in Queens. She is the author of three full-length collections of poetry: Some Other Kind of Mission, Ring of Fire, and Black Dog Songs. Her biography of poet Robert Duncan is forthcoming from University of California Press. Her fourth full-length collection of poetry is forthcoming from Flood Editions. She is a teacher and a blogger. Sparrow is in the midst of his fifth campaign for President. He lives in Phoenicia, New York with his wife, Violet Snow, and his daughter Sylvia. Behind their house, an elderly rabbit named Bananacak= e resides in a rustic hutch. Sparrow writes the gossip column for the Phoenicia Times. (He invents all the gossip.) Sparrow's books are Republica= n Like Me: a Diary of My Presidential Campaign, Yes, You ARE a Revolutionary! and America: A Prophecy -- the Sparrow Reader (all on Soft Skull Press). FRIDAY, September 28, 10pm MASHA TUPITSYN & NORA, a film. =20 Masha Tupitsyn is a fiction writer and feminist critic who lives in New Yor= k City. She received her MA in Literature and Cultural Theory from the University of Sussex in England. Her fiction and criticism has been published or is forthcoming in the anthology Wreckage of Reason: XXperimental Women Writers Writing in the 21st Century, Make/Shift, and Bookforum, among other places. Beauty Talk & Monsters, her first book, is a collection of film-based stories recently published by Semiotext(e). She is currently working on her new book, Showtime. Masha=B9s reading will be accompanied by a screening of Nora, a short narrative by Portland-based artists Holly Andres and Grace Carter, in which an afternoon encounter between two lovers plays out in an unusual fashion. The film examines gende= r roles in terms of sexuality, power, violence and commerce by using tools of the classic suspense/thriller genre, most notably Hitchcock's Psycho. Pleas= e visit them online at http://hollyandres.com/ & http://gracecarterfilms.com. WRITING WORKSHOPS AT THE POETRY PROJECT: =20 BASIC AND BOLD: LOGOS R US =AD PATRICIA SPEARS JONES TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 9TH =20 Every writer finds a niche, a gesture, the thing that works in what they do= . At some point it may become a style or convention. Sometimes it becomes a crutch. One way to break the mode is to be radical=8Bthat is, return to the roots. What brought you to poetry in the first place? This is a workshop for writers who want to re-look at how the structure and elements of poetry provide the wherewithal to make poems that are as ambitious, thoughtful and innovative as you want them to be. There will be in class writing, assignments, reading, and a revision project called =8BCAN THIS POEM BE SAVED?=8B in which you bring a poem that simply has not come to closure; seem= s to be stuck; or needs to be looked at by fresh eyes in the hope of finding what could make it work. This workshop is geared toward writers who have been seriously writing for some time. Please submit 5-8 pages of poetry an= d a brief description of what you=B9d like to accomplish in the workshop by September 28. African American poet, playwright and cultural commentator, Patricia Spears Jones is author of two collections, Femme du Monde and The Weather That Kills. =20 POETRY LAB: FORMS OF JOYFUL EXPERIMENTATION =AD TODD COLBY FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 12TH In this workshop we'll forge new paths to the poem by investigating how far a poem can depart from being =B3a poem=B2 and yet still be a poem. We'll experiment with breath, heartbeat, movement, blogs, the alchemy of words, visions, letters to the editor, spontaneity, psychoanalysis, collaborations= , appropriations and self-hypnosis, along with various traditional forms. The main objective is to create a supportive and inviting atmosphere in our joyfully experimental "Lab." A partial reading list will include: Hannah Weiner, Jacques Lacan, Gertrude Stein, Diane Williams, David Markson, Miranda July, Thomas Bernhard, Bill Knott, Arthur Rimbaud, Alice Notley, Mina Loy, Charles Olson, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort, all of which were published by Soft Skull Press. =20 WORLDLY AND INFINITELY DIMENSIONAL: A WORKSHOP =AD RACHEL LEVITSKY SATURDAYS AT 12PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 13 =20 In these times, the possibilities by which we may amplify, record, document= , display, shape, formulate, and publish words increases daily. Although expanded media and its wide reach are in themselves a meaningful fact of ou= r times, they don=B9t necessarily enhance a poetry=B9s resonance. How do we, and by we I mean both ourselves as ones and ourselves as groups, best construct and perform our poetries so as to be present in these particular times and yet open to the infinite possibilities of =B3projection,=B2 =B3conception,=B2 =B3performance=B2? Familiarizing ourselves with poets like Abigail Child, Julie Patton, Cecilia Vicu=F1a, Bob Dylan, Linton Kwesi Johnson (some will be visiting the workshop), we will consider all means available and any means necessary to project living works into our world. Individually and collaboratively we=B9ll construct performances, visual works, sound events, improvisations, etc. Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem) and is the founder and co-editor of Belladonna Books. =20 =20 The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall spring and fall classes= . Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212)674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Fall Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:58:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <46F2ADF2.1070103@umn.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > herring! yummy! Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > > Christina Lovin wrote: >> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence >> River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do >> those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic >> herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with >> someone familiar with the fish population in your area. >> >> Very cool photos! Thanks. >> >> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim >> : -------------- >> >> >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered tightly >>> together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. They're about 18" in >>> length. I can only guess invasive species, maybe ocean-hungry >>> spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >>> Time: late afternoon/early evening. Numbers: Approximately 1000. >>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > Geo. H. Bowering Adaptable yet reliable. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:00:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <001601c7fbaa$0d8b3ef0$63ae4a4a@yourae066c3a9b> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In Newfoundland there is a little feller called a Caplin. Resembles a Smelt gb On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:16 AM, Gerald Schwartz wrote: > If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad. > > Gerald S. > >> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence >> River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those >> in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic >> herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with >> someone familiar with the fish population in your area. >> >> Very cool photos! Thanks. >> >> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim >> : -------------- >> >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >>> >>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered >>> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. >>> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, >>> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >>> >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >>> >>> Time: late afternoon/early evening. >>> Numbers: Approximately 1000. >>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >>> >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > George Harvey Bowering More than meets the eye. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:31:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Kenning Editions Reading Tour: Dorantes, Seldess, Hofer, Durgin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In anticipation of the publication of _sexoPUROsexoVELOZ and SEPTIEMBRE: A Bilingual Edition of Books Two and Three of Dolores Dorantes, by Dolores Dorantes_ (trans. Jen Hofer), Kenning Editions is sponsoring a reading tour up and down, though mostly down, the west coast. The schedule includes four readers--Dolores Dorantes, Patrick Durgin, Jen Hofer, and Jesse Seldess--unless otherwise specified. Tue. 10/16, 7:00 PM, Kootenay School of Writing (Spartacus Books), Vancouver, BC. Thu. 10/18, 7:00 PM, Emergent Forms Series , Southern Oregon University, Ashland. Fri. 10/19, 7:30 PM, Spare Room Series (New American Art Union), Portland. Sun. 10/21, 7:00 PM, New Yipes Series (21 Grand), Oakland, CA. (Dolores Dorantes, Demosthenes Agrafiotis, and films by Katie Edmonds) Mon. 10/22, 7:30 PM, Moe’s Books , Berkeley. Tues. 10/23, 6:00 PM, University of California at Santa Cruz Living Writers Series . Thu. 10/25, 3:30 PM, The Poetry Center of San Francisco State University . Fri. 10/26, 7:30 PM, Modern Times Bookstore , San Francisco. (Dorantes, Durgin, and Hofer) Sun. 10/28, 7 PM, The Smell , Los Angeles. (Dorantes, Durgin, and Hofer)) 10/29, 7 PM, Calarts, Valencia. (Dorantes and Hofer) Most of Patrick Durgin’s poetry has been published in small press and fine press zines and chapbooks—most recently, a short collection entitled Imitation Poems . He will be reading from that book and conducting performances from Hannah Weiner’s Open House , which he recently edited for Kenning Editions . Durgin is also founder and publisher of the press. Jesse Seldess relocated from Chicago to Berlin, Germany and most recently from Berlin to Karlsruhe, where he continues to edit the journal Antennae and organize the Floating Series of exhibitions and events. He will read from his debut collection from Kenning Editions, Who Opens . Dolores Dorantes joins us from Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, where she is founding director of the border arts collective Compañía Frugal, which supports autonomous projects in the arts and counts among its activities publication of the bi-weekly poetry broadside series Hoja Frugal, printed in editions of 4000 and distributed free throughout Mexico. She will read from her premier full-length collection, copublished by Counterpath Press and Kenning Editions, and entitled sexoPUROsexoVELOZ and Septiembre: A Bilingual Edition of Books Two and Three of Dolores Dorantes, by Dolores Dorantes . Reading in tandem with Dorantes is poet-translator Jen Hofer, joining us from Los Angeles. Hofer’s recent publications include lip wolf , a translation of Laura Solórzano’s lobo de labio (Action Books, 2007), Sin puertas visibles: An Anthology of Contemporary Poetry by Mexican Women (University of Pittsburgh Press and Ediciones Sin Nombre, 2003), slide rule (subpress, 2002), and the chapbooks laws (Dusie Kollectiv, 2006) and lawless (Seeing Eye Books, 2003). She and Durgin will read together from their collaborative, hybrid-genre book The Route, very shortly forthcoming from Atelos . ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:46:21 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah, lemme at 'em! George Bowering wrote: > On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >> herring! yummy! > > Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > > >> >> Christina Lovin wrote: >>> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence >>> River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do >>> those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic >>> herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with >>> someone familiar with the fish population in your area. >>> >>> Very cool photos! Thanks. >>> >>> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim >>> : -------------- >>> >>> >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >>>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered tightly >>>> together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. They're about 18" >>>> in length. I can only guess invasive species, maybe ocean-hungry >>>> spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >>>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >>>> Time: late afternoon/early evening. Numbers: Approximately 1000. >>>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >>>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH >> >> > Geo. H. Bowering > Adaptable yet reliable. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:14:42 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carol Novack Subject: Offering Lyrical Fiction Workshop, Manhattan Comments: To: Su Polo , poetswearprada@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lyrical Fiction Writing Workshop for Intermediate & Advanced Writers (Greenwich Village or other location in the vicinity) I'm a widely published fiction writer and poet, the publisher/editor-in-chief of an increasingly popular and respected literary/multi-media e-journal, and an instructor/workshop leader of fiction writing and performance reading at an arts center in Queens, where I've received glowing reviews. I've also been an adjunct instructor of English in two area colleges, a copy-editor/writer for a well-known glossy magazine, and a featured reader in many prose and poetry series in the vicinity and elsewhere. I run my own series at the KGB Bar. Finally, I have a Master's Degree in Social Work, with a concentration in community organizing and social group work. The skills I learned during my pursuit of the degree come in very handy in a workshop setting. Ok. Enough about me already! If enough writers are interested (two have responded thus far), I will offer the following workshop, including a session or two on performance reading, at participants' request. I envision leading 6 - 8 intensive, weekly, or bi-monthly meetings in my apartment or elsewhere in the Greenwich/West Village vicinity. Dates and times will be scheduled according to participants' needs and preferences. Cost will be reasonable and dependent on several factors. This is not a typical write by rules "how to" workshop; it's for serious writers of literary fictions, fusions, and/or poems. If you're a fiction writer, you might end up writing some poetry, as one of my students did, much to her shock and delight! LYRICAL FICTION WRITING The discovery and development of one's authentic voice/s through surrender to process is a liberating experience, sometimes exhausting, but always energizing in the deepest sense. This workshop will sharpen writing skills, with a focus on process and language, language as music and visual art, via discussions, writing exercises, prompts, and readings of other authors' prose, as well as prose by participants. How can we tap into our unique thinking, feeling and knowing processes to discover and develop our own special voices, create prose that sings, and images that startle, delight, and disturb? This workshop is for intermediate and advanced writers interested in exploring what they can do with language. It is also a stimulating and inspiring course for those who suffer from so-called writers' block. Respond to nettlesomenell@yahoo.com, svp! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:31:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <46F3145D.301@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i found it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.virtualcities.com/ons/0lang/znorse.htm -----Original Message----- From: Maria Damon To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 6:46 pm Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME yeah, lemme at 'em!? ? George Bowering wrote:? > On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote:? >? >> herring! yummy!? >? > Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table!? >? >? >>? >> Christina Lovin wrote:? >>> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence >>> River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do >>> those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic >>> herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with >>> someone familiar with the fish population in your area.? >>>? >>> Very cool photos! Thanks.? >>>? >>> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim >>> : --------------? >>>? >>>? >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? >>>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered tightly >>>> together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. They're about 18" >>>> in length. I can only guess invasive species, maybe ocean-hungry >>>> spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? >>>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? >>>> Time: late afternoon/early evening. Numbers: Approximately 1000. >>>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >>>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH? >>? >>? > Geo. H. Bowering? > Adaptable yet reliable.? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:05:56 -0600 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark DuCharme Subject: Reading in Boulder, CO this Saturday Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Potato Clock Editions presents A BOOK RELEASE PARTY celebrating the publication of Lives of the Poets by Patrick Pritchett & The Crowd Poems by Mark DuCharme Saturday, September 22nd 8:30 p.m. at Exhibitrek 1711 15th Street (just North of Arapahoe) Boulder, CO 80302 Patrick Pritchett is the author of BURN and several chapbooks, including LI= VES OF THE POETS, ANTIPHONAL, SALT, MY LOVE and RESIDE. He is a Lecturer in= the History and Literature Program at Harvard. =20 Mark DuCharme is the author of COSMOPOLITAN TREMBLE, INFINITY SUBSECTIONS a= nd, most recently, THE SENSORY CABINET. He has been on the faculty of the = Summer Writing Program at Naropa University, and currently teaches at Front= Range Community College. Potato Clock Editions is a small press based in Boulder which has been publ= ishing limited edition chapbooks of innovative poetry since 2001. =20 Funded by a grant from the Boulder Arts Commission =20 (Apologies for cross-posting.) _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:06:45 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lily robert-foley Subject: more glyphmachines Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 More about the Cascajal Block and the Olmecs. This entry is titled, "What = do you mean, 'It's a language'?" If so inclined: http://glyphmachines.blogspot.com Thank you so much to those who suggested names of affiliates in Mexico. I = have attained success! The search is off! (Melanie Smith). And also than= k you anyone who has=20 anything useful to add to the project of translating the block (in this cas= e, specifically mIEKL aND).=20=20 Lily --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:49:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tracey Gagne Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <8C9C9E9595AD3FD-C4-7C03@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There are some scary looking fish there!! Tracey On 9/20/07, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > wait! how this? http://www.reticulatedsplines.org/stuff/Fish!.htm? > > bobbi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Schwartz > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:16 am > Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > > > If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad.? > ? > Gerald S.? > ? > >I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence > River. >Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in > your >photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not > >unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the > >fish population in your area.? > >? > > Very cool photos! Thanks.? > >? > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > : > -------------- >? > >? > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? > >>? > >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered? > >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island.? > >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species,? > >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? > >>? > >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg? > >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? > >>? > >> Time: late afternoon/early evening.? > >> Numbers: Approximately 1000.? > >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides.? > >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? > >>? > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:50:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tracey Gagne Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I agree! That's a very cool word! Tracey On 9/20/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > As soon as I saw them the word "menhaden" came to mind...I don't remember > ever encountering this word consciously, so I looked it up... > > and they looked like they... > > so thank you Angel Heurtebise for the transmission... > > if they are indeed menhaden.... > > what a lovely word.... > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:51:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tracey Gagne Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very cool pics! On 9/20/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: > > WHAT ARE THESE FISH > > Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered > tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. > They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, > maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. > > http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg > http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg > > Time: late afternoon/early evening. > Numbers: Approximately 1000. > Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. > Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. > > WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 00:21:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <092020071518.28108.46F28F590008268E00006DCC21602807410207900104D20C@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thanks everyone! I think they're menhaden which are fascinating fish - there are enormous numbers, important for ocean ecology, filter-feeders and little known, related to herrings. It was amazing watching them. Menhaden grow to 15" which seems about right. Thanks again! - Alan On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Christina Lovin wrote: > I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area. > > Very cool photos! Thanks. > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : -------------- > > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH >> >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species, >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. >> >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg >> >> Time: late afternoon/early evening. >> Numbers: Approximately 1000. >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. >> >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > ======================================================================= Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. ============================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:33:17 -0700 Reply-To: editor@pavementsaw.org Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Baratier Subject: Pavement Saw Listserv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We regularly post exclusive material on our national list: interviews, diatribes, consumer recalls of our more dangerous products, new Pavement Saw loungewear and so on. If you would like to have the posts sent to you, here is the address. http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 Send this to friends who might be interested. The 8,000 subscriber will recieve a number of free books. If you live near us & would like material that is specific to our area Fort Wayne, Indiana; Ann Arbor, Michigan; and Toledo, Ohio and throughout the fine state of Ohio use this link as well: http://pavementsaw.org/list/?p=subscribe&id=1 subscribing to both is fine, it will not create a conflict-- Be well David Baratier, Editor Pavement Saw Press 321 Empire Street Montpelier, OH 43543 http://pavementsaw.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:37 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: Fwd: I assume you know this but... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Anyone have any analytical thoughts on this? I don't except that he may have--well, can't help but have--more interesting taste than his predecessor. Pulitzer Winner to Take Over as New Yorker's Poetry Editor Paul Muldoon will become poetry editor of The New Yorker. By MOTOKO RICH Published: September 20, 2007 Alice Quinn, the poetry editor of The New Yorker, is stepping down after 20 years and will be succeeded in one of the most influential posts in the poetry world by Paul Muldoon, the Pulitzer Prize-winning poet. Mr. Muldoon, 56, will remain chairman of the Princeton University Center for the Creative and Performing Arts. An Irish-born poet who has published 10 volumes of verse, he will also continue to write and teach at Princeton. Ms. Quinn, 58, will leave the magazine in early November. She is executive director of the Poetry Society of America and an adjunct professor at Columbia University's School of the Arts. She said she wanted to devote more time to those jobs as well as to a collection of Elizabeth Bishop's journals and notebooks that she is editing. "I had to keep stealing days to get up to the archive during the week," she said, referring to the collection of Ms. Bishop's papers at Vassar College. "I don't want to take five or six years doing this book." Mr. Muldoon quickly emerged as the leading candidate after Ms. Quinn announced her intentions. "It's not just a matter of picking the best poet you can think of," said David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker. "It's also somebody who would know how to be in touch with an enormous range of poets, and that narrows it down a little bit more. And also somebody who's not in Alaska." Mr. Remnick added that the selection of Mr. Muldoon, who had his first poem published when he was just 16, did not represent "some sort of radical aesthetic or theoretical shift." He added, "It's not as if we went from a structuralist to a post-structuralist or a Beat to a conservative." In her tenure at the magazine, Ms. Quinn, who was also a fiction editor for 14 years, worked with a range of poets that included Joseph Brodsky, Jane Kenyon, Louise Glück, Yusef Komunyakaa, John Ashbery, Charles Simic, Eavan Boland and Mark Strand. Ms. Quinn said she was particularly proud of having introduced so many poets in translation to New Yorker audiences. The magazine has sometimes been criticized for publishing the same poets repeatedly and playing favorites, but Ms. Quinn said that 85 percent of what she published came to her in the mail "with little or no notice." She said that the magazine regularly received more than 600 poems a week. Mr. Muldoon said he had no particular agenda for the job, which is a part-time post. "One would want to be absolutely open to the poem that one simply did not expect to have made its way into the world and somehow suddenly falls on one's desk," he said. Next Article in Books (12 of 15) » ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:05:49 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barry Schwabsky Subject: my west coast tour (correction) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just noticed a typo in my announcement a couple of days ago--a week from Saturday, when I will be reading at 1067 Granville in Vancouver with Eric Giraud, is of course the 29th of September (not the 28th). ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:12:57 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <46F3145D.301@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand herring. I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. Maria wrote: > yeah, lemme at 'em! > > George Bowering wrote: > > On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > > > >> herring! yummy! > > > > Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > > > > > >> > >> Christina Lovin wrote: > >>> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the > Providence > >>> River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do > >>> those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large > for Atlantic > >>> herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm > this with > >>> someone familiar with the fish population in your area. > >>> > >>> Very cool photos! Thanks. > >>> > >>> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > >>> : -------------- > >>> > >>> > >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH > >>>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools > gathered tightly > >>>> together in the Providence River, Rhode Island. They're > about 18" > >>>> in length. I can only guess invasive species, maybe ocean-hungry > >>>> spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH. > >>>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg > http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg > >>>> Time: late afternoon/early evening. Numbers: Approximately 1000. > >>>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides. > >>>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull. > >>>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > >> > >> > > Geo. H. Bowering > > Adaptable yet reliable. > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:35:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: susan maurer Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <8C9C9E9595AD3FD-C4-7C03@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wanted to see the fishes . the site is blocked for adult content. susan mau= rer> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:04:28 -0400> From: bobbilurie@AOL.COM> Subje= ct: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME> To: POETICS@L= ISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > wait! how this? http://www.reticulatedsplines.org/st= uff/Fish!.htm?> > bobbi > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Gerald Schw= artz > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> Sent: Thu,= 20 Sep 2007 11:16 am> Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH P= LEASE HELP ME> > > If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad.?> ?> Gerald= S.?> ?> >I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Provide= nce River. >Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those = in your >photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but = not >unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with= the >fish population in your area.?> >?> > Very cool photos! Thanks.?> >?>= > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > : -------------- >?> >?> >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH?> >>?> >> Please help me, = what are these fish? Large schools gathered?> >> tightly together in the Pr= ovidence River, Rhode Island.?> >> They're about 18" in length. I can only = guess invasive species,?> >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW F= ISH.?> >>?> >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg?> >> http://www.asondheim= .org/fish19.jpg?> >>?> >> Time: late afternoon/early evening.?> >> Numbers:= Approximately 1000.?> >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashi= ng' of sides.?> >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.?> >>?= > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > ____________________________= ____________________________________________> Email and AIM finally togethe= r. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?=A0 Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=3Dseek_wlmailtextlink= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:43:56 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: Third Friday Art Exhibit & Book Launch Comments: To: announce MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tonight: Things Found (Out): Recent works by David Hage Opening reception 6pm followed by... Jim Warner, 8:30pm reading from his new book, "Too Bad It's Poetry" (Paper Kite Press) Jim will sign copies of his book after the reading. For a review of the book, please see: http://www.diamondcityweekly.com/columns/story.asp?id=46114 A limited open mic will follow. Refreshments served. If you're planning on taking the trolley in Wilkes-Barre for the Third Friday Art Walk destinations, Paper Kite Studio is now on the map! Take the trolley to the west side, take the bus, walk, drive, skateboard...just don't miss it! Paper Kite Studio 443 Main Street Kingston, PA 18704 http://www.wordpainting.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:32:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wow, thanks Angel Heurtebise...Alan thinks yr right! Now I'm gonna go out to my car in the garage tonight and listen to the celestial mechanics of its radio for some good transmissions... "Cegeste, Levez-vous!" -----Original Message----- From: Alan Sondheim To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:21 am Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Thanks everyone! I think they're menhaden which are fascinating fish - there are enormous numbers, important for ocean ecology, filter-feeders and little known, related to herrings. It was amazing watching them. Menhaden grow to 15" which seems about right.? ? Thanks again! - Alan? ? On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Christina Lovin wrote:? ? > I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area.? >? > Very cool photos! Thanks.? >? > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : --------------? >? >? >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? >>? >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered? >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island.? >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species,? >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? >>? >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg? >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? >>? >> Time: late afternoon/early evening.? >> Numbers: Approximately 1000.? >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides.? >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? >>? >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH? >? >? ? =======================================================================? Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285.? Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com.? http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check? WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance,? dvds, etc. =============================================================? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:54:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: $1US = $1CN MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well I certainly got good use out of the old exchange rate--did Vancouver on $1 to $1.50 rate just a few years ago, but nothing lasts forever...and I'll still be up there when I get a chance, and I'll still be using rte 3 from Buffalo to Detroit because it's such a much more pleasant drive on the north side of the lake. In fact, I'll be there next month. So, enjoy, my Canadian friends...perhaps more of you will come down for a visit, readings, etc. Charlie -- "Poetry is good for you and so is the blues." Charlie said that. www.poetrypoetry.com where you hear poems read by poets who wrote them www.myspace.com/whiskeybucketbluesreview hear Charlie & Henry sing the blues www.myspace.com/charlierossiter hear Charlie as solo performance poet www.myspace.com/avantretro (hear avantretro poems) www.myspace.com/jackthe71special hear Jack's original blues, blues rock & roots ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:05:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" dear tracey, you are right...those fish are scary...but what about this one? bobbi Don't worry this one's dead. From: Tracey Gagne euphrasie71@GMAIL.COM There are some scary looking fish there!! Tracey On 9/20/07, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > wait! how this? http://www.reticulatedsplines.org/stuff/Fish!.htm? > > bobbi > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Schwartz > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:16 am > Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > > > If thin, smelt or alewives. If chubby, shad.? > ? > Gerald S.? > ? > >I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence > River. >Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in > your >photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not > >unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the > >fish population in your area.? > >? > > Very cool photos! Thanks.? > >? > > -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim > : > -------------- >? > >? > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? > >>? > >> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered? > >> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island.? > >> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species,? > >> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? > >>? > >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg? > >> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? > >>? > >> Time: late afternoon/early evening.? > >> Numbers: Approximately 1000.? > >> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides.? > >> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? > >>? > >> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:16:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "David A. Kirschenbaum" Subject: **Last Call: Advertise in Boog City 45** Comments: To: "UB Poetics discussion group "@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Please forward ----------------------- Last Call to Advertise in Boog City 45 *Deadline --Wed. Sept. 26-Ad copy to editor --Sat. Sept. 29-Issue to be distributed Email to reserve ad space ASAP We have 2,250 copies distributed and available free throughout Manhattan's East Village, and Williamsburg and Greenpoint, Brooklyn. ----- Take advantage of our indie discount ad rate. We are once again offering a 50% discount on our 1/8-page ads, cutting them from $60 to $30. (The discount rate also applies to larger ads.) Advertise your small press's newest publications, your own titles or upcoming readings, or maybe salute an author you feel people should be reading, with a few suggested books to buy. And musical acts, advertise your new albums, indie labels your new releases. (We're also cool with donations, real cool.) Email editor@boogcity.com or call 212-842-BOOG(2664) for more information. thanks, David -- David A. Kirschenbaum, editor and publisher Boog City 330 W.28th St., Suite 6H NY, NY 10001-4754 For event and publication information: http://boogcityevents.blogspot.com/ T: (212) 842-BOOG (2664) F: (212) 842-2429 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:28:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <8C9CA7BC0DFF669-270-9EEE@webmail-mf08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what fish these are i think i know they will not see me stop and wince to ask if there is some fish-prince awaiting an alanic kiss and miles to go before our bliss W.B. Keckler wrote: > Wow, thanks Angel Heurtebise...Alan thinks yr right! > > Now I'm gonna go out to my car in the garage tonight and listen to the celestial mechanics of its radio for some good transmissions... > > "Cegeste, Levez-vous!" > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Sondheim > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:21 am > Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > > > Thanks everyone! I think they're menhaden which are fascinating fish - there are enormous numbers, important for ocean ecology, filter-feeders and little known, related to herrings. It was amazing watching them. Menhaden grow to 15" which seems about right.? > ? > Thanks again! - Alan? > ? > On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, Christina Lovin wrote:? > ? > >> I believe the fish may be herring, which are found in the Providence River. Herring also have a black spot behind their gills, as do those in your photos. Eighteen inches is pretty large for Atlantic herring, but not unheard of. Hopefully, you can confirm this with someone familiar with the fish population in your area.? >> ? >> Very cool photos! Thanks.? >> ? >> -------------- Original message from Alan Sondheim : --------------? >> ? >> ? >> >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH? >>> ? >>> Please help me, what are these fish? Large schools gathered? >>> tightly together in the Providence River, Rhode Island.? >>> They're about 18" in length. I can only guess invasive species,? >>> maybe ocean-hungry spawning but I DON'T KNOW FISH.? >>> ? >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish8.jpg? >>> http://www.asondheim.org/fish19.jpg? >>> ? >>> Time: late afternoon/early evening.? >>> Numbers: Approximately 1000.? >>> Behavior: Swarming, schooling, occasional 'flashing' of sides.? >>> Color: Seemed almost transparent, grey-blue, dull.? >>> ? >>> WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH? >>> >> ? >> ? >> > ? > =======================================================================? > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285.? > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com.? > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check? > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance,? > dvds, etc. =============================================================? > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:43:59 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <8C9CA8065A1F3AF-724-9F0F@WEBMAIL-MB08.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is a recent book about menhaden by H. Bruce Franklin, called "The Most Important Fish in the Sea" -- apparently the menhaden fishery is one of the largest industries in the atlantic. They are an important source of oil, and a major ingredient in pet food. They also eat algae, and the overfishing of menhaden causes red tides etc. that obliterate all forms of sea life. Alan, stop by the store later today and I'll sell you a copy of that book... Adam ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:12:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alex Subject: Re: $1US = China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales In-Reply-To: <3388.76.197.245.203.1190390081.squirrel@www.poetrypoetry.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit China's government has discussed the possibility of exercising the "nuclear option" for some time - most often on CCTV9, English language programming modeled after CNN and promising a "Chinese perspective". And the media, necessarily, is state-controlled - at least on the Mainland. Yes, one enters Hong Kong, at least I do, to the comforting activism of human rights organizations and locals very much a part of what's political culture. Be warned and, perhaps, wary, because the world is gonna look different soon. And having been away from life in the U.S. for so long, nearly nine years, I cannot help but to wonder, head in hands, all idealism decapitated, how it is the "riotous many" Stateside have manage to f@*k things up so badly. Start reading Sun Tzu's "Art of War". Consider, too, what a "win-win situation" actually means. Regards, Alex J. -- Telegraph.co.uk China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard Last Updated: 8:39pm BST 10/08/2007 The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation. Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress. Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies. Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels. It would also cause a spike in US bond yields, hammering the US housing market and perhaps tipping the economy into recession. It is estimated that China holds over $900bn in a mix of US bonds. Xia Bin, finance chief at the Development Research Centre (which has cabinet rank), kicked off what now appears to be government policy with a comment last week that Beijing's foreign reserves should be used as a "bargaining chip" in talks with the US. "Of course, China doesn't want any undesirable phenomenon in the global financial order," he added. He Fan, an official at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, went even further today, letting it be known that Beijing had the power to set off a dollar collapse if it choose to do so. "China has accumulated a large sum of US dollars. Such a big sum, of which a considerable portion is in US treasury bonds, contributes a great deal to maintaining the position of the dollar as a reserve currency. Russia, Switzerland, and several other countries have reduced the their dollar holdings. "China is unlikely to follow suit as long as the yuan's exchange rate is stable against the dollar. The Chinese central bank will be forced to sell dollars once the yuan appreciated dramatically, which might lead to a mass depreciation of the dollar," he told China Daily. The threats play into the presidential electoral campaign of Hillary Clinton, who has called for restrictive legislation to prevent America being "held hostage to economic decicions being made in Beijing, Shanghai, or Tokyo". She said foreign control over 44pc of the US national debt had left America acutely vulnerable. Simon Derrick, a currency strategist at the Bank of New York Mellon, said the comments were a message to the US Senate as Capitol Hill prepares legislation for the Autumn session. "The words are alarming and unambiguous. This carries a clear political threat and could have very serious consequences at a time when the credit markets are already afraid of contagion from the subprime troubles," he said. A bill drafted by a group of US senators, and backed by the Senate Finance Committee, calls for trade tariffs against Chinese goods as retaliation for alleged currency manipulation. The yuan has appreciated 9pc against the dollar over the last two years under a crawling peg but it has failed to halt the rise of China's trade surplus, which reached $26.9bn in June. Henry Paulson, the US Tresury Secretary, said any such sanctions would undermine American authority and "could trigger a global cycle of protectionist legislation". Mr Paulson is a China expert from his days as head of Goldman Sachs. He has opted for a softer form of diplomacy, but appeared to win few concession from Beijing on a unscheduled trip to China last week aimed at calming the waters. -- Marcus Aurelius: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:26:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: JOB: Neighborhood Writing Alliance MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The Neighborhood Writing Alliance (NWA)http://www.jot.org in Chicago, IL is seeking highly organized, creative, self-motivated applicants for the full-time position of Assistant Director of the Neighborhood Writing Alliance and Editor of the 'Journal of Ordinary Thought.' 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Answers - Check it out. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:36:37 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Adam Tobin Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <102981.30283.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure, but I believe that the canals that run through downtown Providence are extensions of Naragansett Bay, and most of the "rivers" in the neighborhood are in fact estuaries... -----Original Message----- From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On Behalf Of Eric Dickey Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:28 PM To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Menhaden? in a river? I thought these were in a river. American Shad are anadromous (like salmon). Adam Tobin wrote: There is a recent book about menhaden by H. Bruce Franklin, called "The Most Important Fish in the Sea" -- apparently the menhaden fishery is one of the largest industries in the atlantic. They are an important source of oil, and a major ingredient in pet food. They also eat algae, and the overfishing of menhaden causes red tides etc. that obliterate all forms of sea life. Alan, stop by the store later today and I'll sell you a copy of that book... Adam --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:18:47 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit So much depends upon a dead green herring beside the boiled eggs on a Swedish table. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:05:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carol Novack Subject: Visiting poet looking for a feature in NYC Comments: To: Su Polo , "friedman@york.cuny.edu" , pattiekake , Roxanne Hoffman , Bob Heman , NYCWriters@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Henriksen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Poet Helen Ruggieri will be in NYC for the AWP Conference January 30 - Feb. 2, 2008. She'd be a great featured reader (I've heard her myself), so if any of you series curators can fit her in, preferably but not necessarily on any other eve but the 1st, when yours truly is curating a KGB Bar reading (starring online publishers/editors plus guest star Rikki Ducornet), please let me know. Thanks! -- Carol Helen Ruggieri's "Glimmer Girls," a book of poetry, from Mayapple Press."creates a landscape in which girls practice becoming women. The universality of the adolescent experience is rendered in these insightful poems with grace, ease and understanding." SHe loves reviewers who say nice things. A book of short prose journal pieces about Japan, "The Character for Woman," is available from Foothills Publishing. Reviewers called it "down to earth" because it answers unasked questions about living in a foreign culture like, should I hang my undies on the line outside? Her haiku have won international competitions in Japan: to understand war/share a driveway/with new neighbors. Other poems and prose pieces have recently been in Spoon River Poetry Review, Poetry Midwest, Hawaii Pacific Review (Best of the Decade), Cream City Review, Mystic River, Adirondack Review, and in many anthologies. She's a columnist for Mad Hatters' Review. Google "Helen Ruggieri" or visit www.helenruggieri.com. Ruggieri lives in Olean, NY along the Allegheny River. She is a journal keeper, a master gardener, and has a black sash in tai chi. -- MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: Edgy & Enlightened Literature, Art & Music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com KEEP THE MAD HATTERS ALIVE! MAKE A TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATION HERE: https://www.fracturedatlas.org/site/contribute/donate/580 http://carolnovack.blogspot.com/ My NEW CD: INVENTIONS I: Fictions, Fusions & Poems is available for purchase via: http://www.madhatthttersreview.com/cds_dvds/inventions1.html Review & Interview: http://www.outsiderwriters.org/content/view/319/1/ http://www.myspace.com/madhattercarollers http://www.myspace.com/madhattersreview ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:25:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" no, actually, nothing does...bobbi lurie So much depends upon? a dead green herring? beside the boiled eggs? on a Swedish table.? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:55:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <000301c7fc8f$1bd204e0$6501a8c0@rose> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed They are, they're rivers as well of course, but the fish move up through them apparently. - Alan On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Adam Tobin wrote: > I'm not sure, but I believe that the canals that run through downtown > Providence are extensions of Naragansett Bay, and most of the "rivers" in > the neighborhood are in fact estuaries... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > Behalf Of Eric Dickey > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:28 PM > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > > Menhaden? in a river? I thought these were in a river. American Shad are > anadromous (like salmon). > > > > > > > Adam Tobin wrote: There is a recent book about > menhaden by H. Bruce Franklin, called "The Most Important Fish in the Sea" > -- apparently the menhaden fishery is one of the largest industries in the > atlantic. They are an important source of oil, and a major ingredient in > pet food. They also eat algae, and the overfishing of menhaden causes red > tides etc. that obliterate all forms of sea life. > > Alan, stop by the store later today and I'll sell you a copy of that book... > > Adam > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > ======================================================================= Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. ============================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:24:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: Visiting poet looking for a feature in NYC In-Reply-To: <7ee200e80709211505j36f800bfr12925aa39d5e453e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline uh, aren't we all? at least those of us who will be in New York for the conference -- which, by the way, has a really great book fair -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:13:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) In-Reply-To: <578647560709180400tc4f790br29d398389daf1f3f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sorry for the late reply - I want to thank you for this. I've found a couple of books that are useful - especially Aesthetic Computing, edited by Paul Wishwick, MIT - which covers similar ground. There's also the Second Life "The Official Guide" which I just got - mainly for the URLs and stuff on scripting. Is this the same Sam Weber who was doing theory work years ago? Do you have URLs? Thanks greatly - Alan On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Eireene Nealand wrote: > Hey, interesting stuff. Hope to hear more about it as you go. > > Sam Weber at UCLA, by the way, is doing some interesting related work > on the skin as a sampling device, or a screen. and Wlad Godzich at UC > Santa Cruz is working with the possibility of using the DNA metaphor > for thinking about posthuman identity. > > See also Steve Barker's book 'Autoaesthetics' which was quite early > and so, sometimes limited but the first two chapters are quite good. > > There is a lot, I think to be done in thinking about iterative > identities. fluid dynamics and chaos theory are in some ways providing > us with a real chance to break down all of these body/surface > dualisms, (the brain, Godzich likes to say, is a very densely folded > skin, made out of that same material, he says). > > And the insects/swarms are realy related to all of this, right? > > i had an idea about avatars, and why this possibility of being in > multiple places at once, via virtuality, requires precisely if not an > iterative way of thinking than at least a relativistic, comparative > one, but it's a long story, moire patterns, duchamp. etc. > > e > > On 9/17/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) >> >> >> Human modeling again (notes for a talk) >> >> >> I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI >> communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. >> >> Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; there >> is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think of >> breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, early >> polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies to >> audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived from one >> human or other organism to another. >> >> Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated behavior >> of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin as >> synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat >> spread across the social; communication and communality extend the opaque >> body (metaphorically) into the translucent. >> Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. >> >> Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ >> introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, >> i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from poly- >> gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one >> remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say that >> _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) >> Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation. >> >> Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken into >> account: >> 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across >> domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. >> 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of internalized >> images from virtual to real. >> 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within >> communication. >> Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. >> (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) >> >> But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and >> epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be >> thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects >> described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and >> medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider >> the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. >> >> One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling >> systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in >> relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer/ >> experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? >> > > ======================================================================= Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. ============================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:33:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: MESSAGE-ID field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: charles alexander Subject: new on chaxblog, certain slants Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Three new posts up on chaxblog BENJAMIN'S SPECTACLES: Spring Ulmer's first book, from Kore Press OOOOOklahoma for the last four & a half days after chax press move, the new address http://chax.org/blog.htm see Junction Press, http://junctionpress.com/books/alexander.html for my latest book and see http://www.gopog.org for the next reading in the POG series in Tucson, this Sunday! charles charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 101 W. Sixth St. Tucson, AZ 85701-1000 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 01:12:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: [...] would have guessed [...] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed [...] would have guessed [...] "However, notwithstanding this apparent variety, mantras are always regar- ded as a form of speech differing from language in that, unlike language, they are not bound by 'conventions' nor associated with objects, but on the contrary are oriented toward the very origin of the Word and of the energy." From Vac, The Concept of the Word in Selected Hindu Tantras, Andre Padoux, SUNY Press, 1990. "The pleasure in the act of Venus is the greatest of the pleasures of the senses; the matching of it with itch is unproper; ahtough that also be pleasing to the touch. But the causes are profound. First, all the organs of the senses qualify the motions of the spirits; and make so many several species of motions, and pleasure or displeasures thereupon, as there be diversities of organs. The instruments of sight, hearing, taste, and smell, are of several frame, and so are the parts for generation. Therefore Scaliger doth well to make the pleasure of generation a sixth sense; and if there were any other differing organs, and qualified perforations for the spirits to pass, there would be more than the five senses; neither do we well know whether some beasts and birds have not senses that we know not; and the very scent of dogs is almost a sense by itself." From Bacon, Sylva Sylvarum, 693. "The spline that is numbered as six defines the top of the breasts. It curves in to form the hollow of the back and the shoulder blades. This spline is also the widest of the three, because the area between splines five and six will overlap into the attached arms. "Spline number seven outlines the middle of the breasts. Its effect on the shape of the breasts can be seen the clearest in the top view. The nipples are modeled separately and attached at the very front and slightly to the sides of spline number seven. "The eighth spline [...] profiles the base of the breasts. In the front view, both splines seven and eight curve around to form the roundness of the breasts. While seven and eight curve down in the front view, number six curves up. The middle front vertices of splines seven through nine are moved up to form the thoracic arch. All three splines curve inward at the back for the shoulder blades and spine." From 3-D Human Modeling and Animation, Peter Ratner, Wiley, 1998. "Why do all men, both foreign and Greek, count in tens, and not in any other numbers? For instance, they might count 2,3,4,5, and then repeat one, five, two five, and so on as now they say eleven, twelve, and so on. Or why do they not stop at a number beyond ten and repeat from there? For each number is made by putting a preceding number and one, two, and so on with another number before them, and hence another number is formed, but they always count from ten as a limit. For as this is invariably done it clearly cannot be due to chance; for what is invariable and occurs in every case cannot be a chance arrangement but must be due to nature. [...] Or is it because all men have ten fingers? Having then counters of a natural number, they number all other quantities by this number. The Thracians are the only race who count in fours, because like children they cannot remember very far, nor have they any use for any large number." From Aristotle, Problems, XV, 3, trans. W. S. Hett, Loeb, 1926. "Their lives are graced through my reading their works come alive. Devouring their living works compress their lives into one. Insolence of their letters directed actions of my own. Coming into fruition of work and life through my reading of them." From Textbook of Thinking, Alan Sondheim, open-lock, 1991. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:18:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Daniel Zimmerman Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Also known as Bunkers or Bug fish, the latter because of a large parasite that lives in the mouth. More pounds of Menhaden are landed each year than any other fish species in America. It is an important commercial fishery species. http://www.dnr.state.md.us/bay/cblife/fish/atl_menhaden.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Sondheim" To: Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > They are, they're rivers as well of course, but the fish move up through > them apparently. > > - Alan > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Adam Tobin wrote: > >> I'm not sure, but I believe that the canals that run through downtown >> Providence are extensions of Naragansett Bay, and most of the "rivers" in >> the neighborhood are in fact estuaries... >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] >> On >> Behalf Of Eric Dickey >> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:28 PM >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME >> >> Menhaden? in a river? I thought these were in a river. American Shad >> are >> anadromous (like salmon). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Adam Tobin wrote: There is a recent book about >> menhaden by H. Bruce Franklin, called "The Most Important Fish in the >> Sea" >> -- apparently the menhaden fishery is one of the largest industries in >> the >> atlantic. They are an important source of oil, and a major ingredient in >> pet food. They also eat algae, and the overfishing of menhaden causes >> red >> tides etc. that obliterate all forms of sea life. >> >> Alan, stop by the store later today and I'll sell you a copy of that >> book... >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web >> links. >> >> > > > ======================================================================= > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, > dvds, etc. ============================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 07:37:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: New Posts on Nomadics Blog Comments: cc: Britis-Irish List , "Poetryetc: poetry and poetics" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable check out these recent posts on Nomadics blog: http://=20 pjoris.blogspot.com Maurice Blanchot at 100 Equipage is re-launching Death of a poet and scholar: Bill Griffiths Recent signandsight features Bill Griffiths (1948-2007) Mary Beach & Claude P=E9lieu are Back! Further News re Pessoa be well =96 I will spend a few hours today reading in Blanchot's "The =20= Infinite Conversation." Pierre ___________________________________________________________ The poet: always in partibus infidelium -- Paul Celan ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:20:14 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Rothenberg Subject: David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg read in Bisbee, Tuscon, Albuquerque MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg will be reading in Bisbee, Tuscon and Albuquerque in October. Hope to see you there! Bisbee-Friday, October 5, 7:30pm David Meltzer& Michael Rothenberg reading followed by booksigning and reception Central School Project, Poets Voice Series 43 Howell Ave in Old Bisbee Admission: $6 ($4 students with ID) ---------------------------- Tuscon--Monday, October 8, 2007 - 7:00pm The Z Mansion: David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg 288 N. Church Ave. in downtown Tucson 7pm start time $5 at the door. $3 for students. Contact: Chax Press, 520-620-1626 Chax Press & POG events are made possible in part by contributions from the Tucson Pima Arts Council and the Arizona Commission on the Arts, with funding from the State of Arizona and the National Endowment for the Arts. --------------------------------- Albuquerque--Fri Oct 12th @ 7:30 pm Wordspace Poetry Series: David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg @ the Outpost Performance Space 210 Yale Blvd SE in Albuquerque $5 at the door. For more info contact Outpost @ (505) 268-0044 mail@outpostspace.org ABOUT THE READERS In 1960, David Meltzer's poems appeared in the ground-breaking anthology, The New American Poetry. He has gone on to create a substantial body of work that is pervaded with "a kind of bop-perfection." Having arrived in San Francisco in 1957, he is associated both with the Beats and the San Francisco Renaissance, often reading with jazz musicians at bars and coffeehouses. His recent book, Beat Thing (La Alameda Press), winner of the PEN Oakland Josephine Miles award, is both tribute to down-in-the-street wildness and rant against the romantic commodification which surrounds the Beat Generation. Meltzer brings forth the original spirit of Beat in an encyclopedic cascade of details whose dense, deep, fierce, funny, raucous, free-associative jazz energy infuses every line. Beat Thing is an ecstatic chant of defiance and celebration. Meltzer's Copy: The Selected Poems, edited by Michael Rothenberg, has now come out with nearly 50 years of Meltzer's poetry and provides ample evidence of his stylistic breadth as well as the music and humor active in it. Michael Rothenberg's work as an editor is well known, not only for David's Copy, but also As Ever: Selected Poems of Joanne Kyger; Overtime: Selected Poems of Philip Whalen; Way More West: Selected Poems of Edward Dorn and the Collected Poems of Philip Whalen. He is also editor of Big Bridge, www.bigbridge.org , a prominent online literary zine. Rothenberg is the author of The Paris Journals; Monk Daddy; Grown Up Cuba; and recently Unhurried Vision from La Alameda Press, which charts the year Rothenberg spent caring for the terminally ill Philip Whalen. In 1976 he moved to California and co-founded Shelldance, a bromeliad and orchid nursery in Pacifica. An active environmentalist, Rothenberg has been a leading force in the protection of Bay Area coastal lands and endangered species. from THE ART / THE VEIL, by David Meltzer Light on ancient text. Flicker of word Moving into word. They ask me what I do. Enough. [] Abruptly Europe dies. Bloody tallis I wave To cars to eyes. Dies. The silk blazing. [] Noisily yank a failed poem out of the typewriter roller. My hair falls into the keys. Not grey but silver whose light reminds me of work to be done. [] It isn't fame or failure just so many books to read so many words to write and the backyard garden is Paradise. I could spend all day naming things and all night breaking promises [] Dawn loon silhouette skims over the lagoon its crazed song unable to tame my rage into a haiku. [] The deception of a new typewriter ribbon gets him going another few years. by David Meltzer, copyright © 1981. All rights reserved. SIMPLIFY INFINITY, by Michael Rothenberg Rain slaughters the balcony I'm invisible Flowers blown off red skeletons I'm describing my death My mother tells me come inside But there's nothing inside worth imagining It's all outside Starlings in confusion Where the body is purified by danger July 14, 2001 by Michael Rothenberg from Monk Daddy, Blue Press. All rights reserved. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:54:48 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charles Baldwin Subject: Re: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Same Weber (de Man student etc.), I think, but isn't he at the German = Dept. @ Northwestern? I think he left UCLA a few years back. >>> Alan Sondheim 09/21/07 9:13 PM >>> Sorry for the late reply - I want to thank you for this. I've found a=20 couple of books that are useful - especially Aesthetic Computing, = edited=20 by Paul Wishwick, MIT - which covers similar ground. There's also the=20 Second Life "The Official Guide" which I just got - mainly for the URLs=20 and stuff on scripting. Is this the same Sam Weber who was doing theory work years ago? Do you=20 have URLs? Thanks greatly - Alan On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Eireene Nealand wrote: > Hey, interesting stuff. Hope to hear more about it as you go. > > Sam Weber at UCLA, by the way, is doing some interesting related work > on the skin as a sampling device, or a screen. and Wlad Godzich at UC > Santa Cruz is working with the possibility of using the DNA metaphor > for thinking about posthuman identity. > > See also Steve Barker's book 'Autoaesthetics' which was quite early > and so, sometimes limited but the first two chapters are quite good. > > There is a lot, I think to be done in thinking about iterative > identities. fluid dynamics and chaos theory are in some ways providing > us with a real chance to break down all of these body/surface > dualisms, (the brain, Godzich likes to say, is a very densely folded > skin, made out of that same material, he says). > > And the insects/swarms are realy related to all of this, right? > > i had an idea about avatars, and why this possibility of being in > multiple places at once, via virtuality, requires precisely if not an > iterative way of thinking than at least a relativistic, comparative > one, but it's a long story, moire patterns, duchamp. etc. > > e > > On 9/17/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) >> >> >> Human modeling again (notes for a talk) >> >> >> I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI >> communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. >> >> Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; = there >> is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think = of >> breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, = early >> polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies = to >> audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived from one >> human or other organism to another. >> >> Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated = behavior >> of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin = as >> synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat >> spread across the social; communication and communality extend the = opaque >> body (metaphorically) into the translucent. >> Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. >> >> Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ >> introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, >> i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from = poly- >> gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one >> remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say that >> _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) >> Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation.= >> >> Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken = into >> account: >> 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across >> domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. >> 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of internalized >> images from virtual to real. >> 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within >> communication. >> Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. >> (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) >> >> But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and >> epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be >> thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects >> described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and >> medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider >> the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. >> >> One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling >> systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in >> relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer= / >> experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? >> > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:10:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Vernon Frazer Subject: David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg read in Bisbee, Tuscon, Albuquerque (posted on behalf of Michael Rothenberg) Comments: cc: Michael Rothenberg MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Meltzer and Michael Rothenberg will be reading in Bisbee, Tuscon and Albuquerque in October. Hope to see you there! Bisbee-Friday, October 5, 7:30pm David Meltzer& Michael Rothenberg reading followed by booksigning and reception Central School Project, Poets Voice Series 43 Howell Ave in Old Bisbee Admission: $6 ($4 students with ID) ---------------------------- Tuscon--Monday, October 8, 2007 - 7:00pm The Z Mansion: David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg 288 N. Church Ave. in downtown Tucson 7pm start time $5 at the door. $3 for students. Contact: Chax Press, 520-620-1626 Chax Press & POG events are made possible in part by contributions from the Tucson Pima Arts Council and the Arizona Commission on the Arts, with funding from the State of Arizona and the National Endowment for the Arts. --------------------------------- Albuquerque--Fri Oct 12th @ 7:30 pm Wordspace Poetry Series: David Meltzer & Michael Rothenberg @ the Outpost Performance Space 210 Yale Blvd SE in Albuquerque $5 at the door. For more info contact Outpost @ (505) 268-0044 mail@outpostspace.org ABOUT THE READERS In 1960, David Meltzer's poems appeared in the ground-breaking anthology, The New American Poetry. He has gone on to create a substantial body of work that is pervaded with "a kind of bop-perfection." Having arrived in San Francisco in 1957, he is associated both with the Beats and the San Francisco Renaissance, often reading with jazz musicians at bars and coffeehouses. His recent book, Beat Thing (La Alameda Press), winner of the PEN Oakland Josephine Miles award, is both tribute to down-in-the-street wildness and rant against the romantic commodification which surrounds the Beat Generation. Meltzer brings forth the original spirit of Beat in an encyclopedic cascade of details whose dense, deep, fierce, funny, raucous, free-associative jazz energy infuses every line. Beat Thing is an ecstatic chant of defiance and celebration. Meltzer's Copy: The Selected Poems, edited by Michael Rothenberg, has now come out with nearly 50 years of Meltzer's poetry and provides ample evidence of his stylistic breadth as well as the music and humor active in it. Michael Rothenberg's work as an editor is well known, not only for David's Copy, but also As Ever: Selected Poems of Joanne Kyger; Overtime: Selected Poems of Philip Whalen; Way More West: Selected Poems of Edward Dorn and the Collected Poems of Philip Whalen. He is also editor of Big Bridge, www.bigbridge.org , a prominent online literary zine. Rothenberg is the author of The Paris Journals; Monk Daddy; Grown Up Cuba; and recently Unhurried Vision from La Alameda Press, which charts the year Rothenberg spent caring for the terminally ill Philip Whalen. In 1976 he moved to California and co-founded Shelldance, a bromeliad and orchid nursery in Pacifica. An active environmentalist, Rothenberg has been a leading force in the protection of Bay Area coastal lands and endangered species. from THE ART / THE VEIL, by David Meltzer Light on ancient text. Flicker of word Moving into word. They ask me what I do. Enough. [] Abruptly Europe dies. Bloody tallis I wave To cars to eyes. Dies. The silk blazing. [] Noisily yank a failed poem out of the typewriter roller. My hair falls into the keys. Not grey but silver whose light reminds me of work to be done. [] It isn't fame or failure just so many books to read so many words to write and the backyard garden is Paradise. I could spend all day naming things and all night breaking promises [] Dawn loon silhouette skims over the lagoon its crazed song unable to tame my rage into a haiku. [] The deception of a new typewriter ribbon gets him going another few years. by David Meltzer, copyright C 1981. All rights reserved. SIMPLIFY INFINITY, by Michael Rothenberg Rain slaughters the balcony I'm invisible Flowers blown off red skeletons I'm describing my death My mother tells me come inside But there's nothing inside worth imagining It's all outside Starlings in confusion Where the body is purified by danger July 14, 2001 by Michael Rothenberg from Monk Daddy, Blue Press. All rights reserved. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:19:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tracey Gagne Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wonder how many people in this thread are in RI or thereabouts. That's where I'm from, although I've been living in Atlanta, GA for several years now. I visit RI several times a year to see family and friends. Tracey On 9/21/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: > They are, they're rivers as well of course, but the fish move up through > them apparently. > > - Alan > > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Adam Tobin wrote: > > > I'm not sure, but I believe that the canals that run through downtown > > Providence are extensions of Naragansett Bay, and most of the "rivers" in > > the neighborhood are in fact estuaries... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: UB Poetics discussion group [mailto:POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU] On > > Behalf Of Eric Dickey > > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:28 PM > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME > > > > Menhaden? in a river? I thought these were in a river. American Shad are > > anadromous (like salmon). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Adam Tobin wrote: There is a recent book about > > menhaden by H. Bruce Franklin, called "The Most Important Fish in the Sea" > > -- apparently the menhaden fishery is one of the largest industries in the > > atlantic. They are an important source of oil, and a major ingredient in > > pet food. They also eat algae, and the overfishing of menhaden causes red > > tides etc. that obliterate all forms of sea life. > > > > Alan, stop by the store later today and I'll sell you a copy of that book... > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, > dvds, etc. ============================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:40:28 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a work of genius! George Bowering wrote: > So much depends upon > a dead green herring > beside the boiled eggs > on a Swedish table. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:15:20 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Re: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) Comments: To: Charles Baldwin In-Reply-To: 46F4D8580200005100038409@WVUGW01.wvu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yes, Sam Weber left UCLA years ago -- His 2004 book THEATRICALITY AS MEDIUM lists him as Avalon Professor of Comparative Literature at Northwestern -- As was true during his UCLA years, he spends part of each year in Paris, where he now directs Northwestern's Paris Program in Critical Theory. That book also contains his essay "Scene and Screen: Electronic Media and Theatricality." It was my good fortune in the late 90s to be one of the members of Weber's NEH summer seminar on seriality -- On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 08:54 AM, Charles Baldwin wrote: > Same Weber (de Man student etc.), I think, but isn't he at the German >Dept. @ Northwestern? I think he left UCLA a few years back. > >> Alan Sondheim 09/21/07 9:13 PM > >Sorry for the late reply - I want to thank you for this. I've found a >couple of books that are useful - especially Aesthetic Computing, edited >by Paul Wishwick, MIT - which covers similar ground. There's also the >Second Life "The Official Guide" which I just got - mainly for the >URLs >and stuff on scripting. > >Is this the same Sam Weber who was doing theory work years ago? Do you >have URLs? > >Thanks greatly - Alan > > >On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Eireene Nealand wrote: > >> Hey, interesting stuff. Hope to hear more about it as you go. >> >> Sam Weber at UCLA, by the way, is doing some interesting related work >> on the skin as a sampling device, or a screen. and Wlad Godzich at UC >> Santa Cruz is working with the possibility of using the DNA metaphor >> for thinking about posthuman identity. >> >> See also Steve Barker's book 'Autoaesthetics' which was quite early >> and so, sometimes limited but the first two chapters are quite good. >> >> There is a lot, I think to be done in thinking about iterative >> identities. fluid dynamics and chaos theory are in some ways providing >> us with a real chance to break down all of these body/surface >> dualisms, (the brain, Godzich likes to say, is a very densely folded >> skin, made out of that same material, he says). >> >> And the insects/swarms are realy related to all of this, right? >> >> i had an idea about avatars, and why this possibility of being in >> multiple places at once, via virtuality, requires precisely if not an >> iterative way of thinking than at least a relativistic, comparative >> one, but it's a long story, moire patterns, duchamp. etc. >> >> e >> >> On 9/17/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: >> (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) >> >> >> Human modeling again (notes for a talk) >> >> >> I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI >> communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. >> >> Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; there >> is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think >of >> breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, >early >> polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies to >> audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived >from one >> human or other organism to another. >> >> Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated behavior >> of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin as >> synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat >> spread across the social; communication and communality extend the opaque >> body (metaphorically) into the translucent. >> Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. >> >> Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ >> introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, >> i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from poly- >> gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one >> remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say >that >> _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) >> Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation. >> >> Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken into >> account: >> 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across >> domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. >> 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of >internalized >> images from virtual to real. >> 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within >> communication. >> Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. >> (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) >> >> But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and >> epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be >> thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects >> described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and >> medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider >> the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. >> >> One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling >> systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in >> relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer/ >> experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? >> >> >> > > >======================================================================= >Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. >Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. >http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check >WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, >dvds, etc. ============================================================= > > > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are enslaved by what makes us free -- intolerable paradox at the heart of speech. --Robert Kelly Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:24:05 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline From Hilton Obenzinger: Yom Kippur is the day that Jews ask for forgiveness for sins and transgressions. Years ago I wrote my own version of the enumeration of shortcomings and sins and sent it out to friends. A magazine printed it, and I received a message from a professor of folklore that the piece had been circulating around, attributed to that prolific author, Anonymous, and he was going to present a paper at a conference on its folkloric spread. So, I have updated it slightly, and I send it out again. May you all be inscribed in the Book of Life. Yom Kippur Liturgy Once we were strangers in someone else's house, Now we are strangers in our own heads =96 forgive us. Forgive the beatings, the burlap bags that suffocate heads, the suffocating dread And forgive us the fig trees uprooted and dead. The houses torn down, villages no longer seen, Mothers and children stuffed down the wells of Deir Yassein. For these and all our transgressions, may all Creation Forgive us for what we have done to them and to ourselves. Amen. Once we were strangers in someone else's house, Now we are strangers in our own heads =96 forgive us. Forgive us for driving them out and the theft of their homes, For the colonies that exclude, the occupation enforced by guns. Forgive us the vanity =96 the flags and soldiers and Knessets =96 That makes us forget the voices of Prophets. For these and all our transgressions, may all Creation Forgive us for what we have done to them and to ourselves. Amen. Once we were strangers in someone else's house, Now we are strangers in our own heads =96 forgive us. Forgive us the hatred, the violence, the pain. Forgive us all the evils we have done while crying "Never Again." We have planted, but we pray that no one reaps. Forgive us for driving Palestinians to do the same. For these and all our transgressions, may all Creation Forgive us for what we have done to them and to ourselves. Amen. We are ever strangers in someone else's house, But we can always be at home in our heads =96 redeem us. Bless Palestinians and Israelis to seek only peace. Take off the masks, the grand ideas, take down the Wall, and uncover the sweet flesh. Allow us to feel our hearts, to feel compassion, each other's distress. Give us the wisdom to free ourselves from war, to allow each other's contrition. For these and all our transgressions, may all Creation Allow us to make amends for what we have done to them and to ourselves. Amen. Hilton Obenzinger ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:34:26 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Eireene Nealand Subject: Re: Human modeling again (notes for a talk) In-Reply-To: <46F4D8580200005100038409@WVUGW01.wvu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline aha. yes, you're right about Northwestern. I still think of a UCLA guy...California loyalties. humph. Here's are some good links. And the annoucement for the paper-in-progress that you may want to ask about. I heard excerpts from it at a talk at UC Santa Cruz, date & title, etc. below. The official web page w/ e-mail address. http://www.german.northwestern.edu/faculty/weber.html and texts of some of his work here: http://www.hydra.umn.edu/weber/ (the one on digital democracy/displaced bodies is really good) a good bibliography of his work with links to many other intresting folk as well: http://www.egs.edu/faculty/samuelweber.html *** More info on the paper with his skin/sampling thoughts that I was so excited to hear: Thursday, March 22, at 5:00 pm, Room 420 Humanities One, On the Politics of Protection and Projection Samuel Weber, Avalon Foundation Professor of Humanities, Northwestern University Samuel Weber studied with Paul de Man and Theodor W. Adorno, whose book, Prisms, he co-translated into English. The translation of and introduction to Theodor Adorno's most important book of cultural criticism helped define the way in which the work of the Frankfurt School would be read and understood in the English- speaking world. Professor Weber has also published books on Balzac, Lacan, and Freud as well as on the relation of institutions and media to interpretation. His most recent books include Theatricality as Medium (2004) and Targets of Opportunity (2005). Currently, he is completing work on a book entitled Benjamin's-abilities. Co-sponsored by History of Consciousness and the Psychoanalysis and Sexuality Research Unit of the Institute for Humanities Research On 9/22/07, Charles Baldwin wrote: > Same Weber (de Man student etc.), I think, but isn't he at the German Dept. @ Northwestern? I think he left UCLA a few years back. > > >>> Alan Sondheim 09/21/07 9:13 PM >>> > Sorry for the late reply - I want to thank you for this. I've found a > couple of books that are useful - especially Aesthetic Computing, edited > by Paul Wishwick, MIT - which covers similar ground. There's also the > Second Life "The Official Guide" which I just got - mainly for the URLs > and stuff on scripting. > > Is this the same Sam Weber who was doing theory work years ago? Do you > have URLs? > > Thanks greatly - Alan > > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Eireene Nealand wrote: > > > Hey, interesting stuff. Hope to hear more about it as you go. > > > > Sam Weber at UCLA, by the way, is doing some interesting related work > > on the skin as a sampling device, or a screen. and Wlad Godzich at UC > > Santa Cruz is working with the possibility of using the DNA metaphor > > for thinking about posthuman identity. > > > > See also Steve Barker's book 'Autoaesthetics' which was quite early > > and so, sometimes limited but the first two chapters are quite good. > > > > There is a lot, I think to be done in thinking about iterative > > identities. fluid dynamics and chaos theory are in some ways providing > > us with a real chance to break down all of these body/surface > > dualisms, (the brain, Godzich likes to say, is a very densely folded > > skin, made out of that same material, he says). > > > > And the insects/swarms are realy related to all of this, right? > > > > i had an idea about avatars, and why this possibility of being in > > multiple places at once, via virtuality, requires precisely if not an > > iterative way of thinking than at least a relativistic, comparative > > one, but it's a long story, moire patterns, duchamp. etc. > > > > e > > > > On 9/17/07, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> (first section at http://www.asondheim.org/ph.txt) > >> > >> > >> Human modeling again (notes for a talk) > >> > >> > >> I think 4 aspects - psychoanalytics, avatar-skin, medical modeling, AI > >> communality/behavior/sociality - to be considered. > >> > >> Well: Avatar-skin: surface of being human which is always a fiction; there > >> is no exacting boundary where body ends and environment begins (think of > >> breath, other processes). So this is splines, Bezier curves, NURBs, early > >> polygon work, etc. now automated by Poser etc. Avatar-skin also applies to > >> audio (later touch, scent, taste, etc.) - everything perceived from one > >> human or other organism to another. > >> > >> Well: AI communality/behavior/sociality: the internally-automated behavior > >> of the avatar-skin; think of this as diachronic avatar, and avatar-skin as > >> synchronic; each moves through the other. With AI, avatar is somewhat > >> spread across the social; communication and communality extend the opaque > >> body (metaphorically) into the translucent. > >> Fundamental rules of the 'game' tending towards description. > >> > >> Well: Medical modeling: Both diachronic and synchronic, the projected/ > >> introjected organs of the avatar-skin, always on the level of a model, > >> i.e. a beating heart is fabricated on a subtextual level again from poly- > >> gons, curves, splines, etc. The ontology is different as long as one > >> remains within the realm of computational modeling. (One might say that > >> _inscription_ in the real is paralleled by _fissure_ in the virtual.) > >> Medical modeling is fundamental description tending towards explanation. > >> > >> Well: Psychoanalytics: Here is where the following have to be taken into > >> account: > >> 1. The abject: epistemological/ontological/inscriptive 'smears' across > >> domains. Corrosive and irreducible to the other categories. > >> 2. Introjection/projection ('jectivity') - formation of internalized > >> images from virtual to real. > >> 3. Obscenity and interjections: Breakdowns of communication within > >> communication. > >> Psychoanalytics are not susceptible to mathesis beyond topology. > >> (Level of the metaphoric: No verification procedures.) > >> > >> But of course all of this is rough, not exactly accurate; ontology and > >> epistemology, various branches and techniques of mathematics, can be > >> thrown around heedlessly. Still I'd want to begin from the four aspects > >> described here: body/surface, psychoanalytics/'mind', AI/habitus, and > >> medical/observation-experimentation. One would have to further consider > >> the role of apparatus, observation, observer, in all of this. > >> > >> One final note - the concern - that, with formal and informal modeling > >> systems of organisms/physics/mathematics: How is consciousness in > >> relation? In other words, _what are the effects on the reader/programmer/ > >> experimenter? How do these relate to abjection and jectivity if at all? > >> > > > > > > > ======================================================================= > Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. > Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. > http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check > WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, > dvds, etc. ============================================================= > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:39:26 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Patrick F. Durgin" Subject: Publication Announcement: Dolores Dorantes' sexoPUROsexoVELOZ and Septiembre MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fresh from the presses and on the cusp of the retail pipeline is the first full-length collection in English by Mexican poet Dolores Dorantes. */sexoPUROsexoVELOZ /and/ Septiembre:/ a bilingual edition of books two and three of /Dolores Dorantes/, by Dolores Dorantes. *Translated by Jen Hofer. Published with Counterpath Press. /sexoPUROsexoVELOZ/ and /Septiembre/ are books two and three of Mexican poet Dolores Dorantes lifelong project titled /Dolores Dorantes/. These works consist of fragmented interlocking sequences of poems that create a scaffolding to frame Dorantes’ vivid explorations of the intensely personal and intensely social questions that inhabit the space called “Dolores Dorantes.” Dorantes writes, “May be / I had to forget how…” ; it is from within the particular experience she offers of forgetting /how/ that we might, perhaps, begin to remember /why/. Dorantes was born in Veracruz in 1973 and has lived most of her life in Ciudad Juárez, where socioeconomic violence and politically-charged daily brutalities have informed her radically humane and beautifully incisive work as a poet, journalist, and cultural worker. Dorantes is a rare presence in Mexican literary communities, in that she takes a wide-ranging international stance toward poetry and poetics while refusing to accept state support from a government she cannot respect. She has published four book-length works of poetry in Mexico, and is a founding member of the border arts collective Compañía Frugal (The Frugal Company), which counts among its activities publication of the monthly poetry broadside series /Hoja Frugal/, printed in editions of 4,000 and distributed free throughout Mexico. ISBN: 978-0-9767364-2-4. $14.95 Order from SPD , 2CO , Amazon , via subscription , or from Counterpath . www.da-crouton.com | www.kenningeditions.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:00:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: barbara jane bermeo Subject: Poetry Reading @ the Berkeley Art Museum: Asian American Poetry Now MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Feel free to send out the following announcement. Poetry Reading Asian American Poetry Now Berkeley Art Museum Location/Entrances 2626 Bancroft Way 2621 Durant Avenue Between College and Telegraph October 21, 2007; 3:00 p.m. Gallery C How are young Asian American poets grappling with some of the issues that have engaged the artists featured in One Way or Another? Eight West Coast– and New York–based Asian American poets, from the same generation as the exhibition artists and with a comparable range of cultural backgrounds, will read from work that parallels the "post-identity" premise of One Way or Another. Their poetry displays a range of exciting experimental styles that depart from the focus on identity politics that has marked the work of many Asian American poets since the 1960s. Poet and UC Berkeley Ph.D. candidate Chris Chen, whose dissertation explores experimental currents within contemporary Asian American and African American poetry, will introduce and moderate the program. Featured poets are Eileen Tabios, Tsering Wangmo Dhompa, Cathy Park Hong, Paolo Javier, David Lau, Barbara Jane Reyes, and Truong Tran. Public programs for One Way or Another are supported by UC Berkeley's Consortium for the Arts, Doreen B. Townsend Center for the Humanities, and Asian American Studies Program, and cosponsored by Asia Society Northern California. Hours (Galleries, Museum Store) Wednesday – Sunday 11 a.m. - 5 p.m. Thursdays 11 a.m. - 7 p.m. Gallery Admission Prices Free BAM/PFA Members UC Berkeley students, faculty, and staff Children (12 & under) $8 Adults (18-64) $5 Non-UC Berkeley students Young adults (13-17) Senior citizens (65 & over) Disabled persons Free First Thursdays at BAM/PFA Free admission to the galleries, public programs, and a 5:30 PFA screening, the first Thursday of every month. ---------- http://barbarajanereyes.com http://poetaensanfrancisco.blog-city.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:21:13 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: konrad Subject: SF, THU & FRI THIS WEEK: kino21 presents Debord / Neo-Benshi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello Friends, This is just a brief reminder of two rare events kino21 sponsors next week in San Francisco. http://www.kino21.org/ THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 27TH, 8PM Artists' Television Access 992 Valencia, at 21st. St. Guy Debord's Last Feature Film IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE ET CONSUMIMUR IGNI A Latin palindrome also known as "The Devil's Verse" is the title of Debord's look back on his life of adventure and resistance. Hugo Ball Room Labs has dubbed Ken Knabb's ENGLISH TRANSLATION onto the soundtrack so you can watch and listen instead of read your way through Debord's narration of the film. Our similar presentation of Debord's "Society of the Spectacle" last year sold out, so arrive early! http://www.atasite.org/calendar/?x=2530 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Debord * * * FRIDAY SEPTEMBER 28th, 8pm (yes, the next night) CounterPULSE (yes, that's how they write it) 1310 Mission, at 9th St. THE NEW TALKIES (reprise): A Neo-benshi Cabaret curated by Jen Nellis In case you missed the sold out show in July, this is a repeat performance with *one substitution.* In place of Rodney Koeneke, Dennis Somera will be presenting his wicked interpretation of WEST SIDE STORY. David Brazil, Amanda Davidson, Jennifer Nellis, Wayne Smith, Konrad Steiner and Stephanie Young are also performing. http://www.counterpulse.org/calendar.shtml phone: 415-435-7552 for reservations. ^Z ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:43:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: michelle detorie Subject: WOMB POETRY :: EQUINOX ISSUE Comments: To: Discussion of Women's Poetry List , pussipo@googlegroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline WOMB POETRY :: EQUINOX ISSUE ISSUE 1.5 is now online http://www.wombpoetry.com featuring work by Kelli Russell Agodon Nicole Cooley Kate Greenstreet Luisa A. Igloria Eve Rifkah Jennifer Karmin + vispo Nicki Hastie Raina Le=F3n Alexis Pauline Gumbs Arlene Biala Nava Fader C Mehrl Bennett Laura Goldstein Jill Alexander Essbaum Kristen Orser Pearl Pirie Kathryn Douglas Angela Veronica Wong Juliet Cook Lillian Baker Kennedy All the Best, Michelle Detorie apologies for x-posting! --=20 http://www.wombpoetry.blogspot.com/ http://www.hexpresse.blogspot.com http://www.daphnomancy.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:46:51 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Thrown Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Thrown Delight Here we are just as delight is a form of suffocation. However, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we. Therefore, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we. The man kills the woman. The woman kills the man. The man kills the man in woman. The woman kills the woman in man. Therefore, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we. And, we we we we we we we we we we we we we we. Imagine Nikuko swallowing everything in sight. Therefore imagine everything swallowing Nikuko in sight. Imagine everything swallowing Nikuko in sight. Therefore imagine Nikuko swallowing everything in sight. http://www.asondheim.org/throesofdeligh1.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/throesofdeligh2.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/throesofdeligh3.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/throesofdeligh4.jpg http://www.asondheim.org/throesofdeligh5.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:41:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dillon Westbrook Subject: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dearest Listers, Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning of next week, wondering from any residents thereof what's crucial attendance. Never been in my natural life. Back or forward channel. thanks, Dillon ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:52:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Jess experts? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've just paid my fourth visit to the exhibit "Jess: To and From the Printed Page" here in Madison. It's amazing; if you're near one of the places it's visiting, go!!! Here's the link with the itinerary: http://www.ici-exhibitions.org/exhibitions/jess/jess.html And now my question: One of my favorite pieces in the exhibit it Jess's "Didactic Nickelodeon no.2" (I've written a bit about it on my blog, if you're interested--the link to that's at the end of this). The text in this series is taken from, or inspired by, Sir Charles Sherrington's 1938 work Man on His Nature. I've only been able to find that text under the oppressive umbrella of JSTOR, from which I'm excluded, stuck in the rain of extra-academic life. Is it possible for anyone to grab the PDF and email it to me? (I could ask some college friends here, but this gives me the opportunity to point out the existence of this great and strange work to those who might not know of it). If not, does anyone know whether the Jess piece quotes Sherrington literally or processes it in some way? Thanks for your help! all the best, Andy http://ndgwriting.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:42:42 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Jones Subject: Fwd: TWENTY TO LIFE MICHIGAN PREMIERE TOUR In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Adam Brook Date: Sep 23, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: TWENTY TO LIFE MICHIGAN PREMIERE TOUR To: TWENTY TO LIFE MICHIGAN PREMIERE TOUR John Sinclair and Director Steve Gebhardt will be conducting a MICHIGAN PREMIERE TOUR of our film TWENTY TO LIFE: The Life & Times of John Sinclair and would be delighted if you could attend a screening near you. The US Premiere is in Flint on John Sinclair's 66th birthday, 2 nd of October, with details as below. The opening reception will honor people who are in the film. Jeff Grand, Pun Plamondon, Genie Parker, Leni Sinclair and others are planning to be there and we hope you will be able to join them. The Detroit screening is at MoCAD (Museum of Contempoary Art Detroit) at Woodward & Garfield on Saturday 6 October, as below. For advance tickets to any of the screenings please contact our tour manager, Adam Brook, at 313 999 0329 or adamlbrook@hotmail.com. If you need directions or other information, please contact our tour manager, Adam Brook, at 313 999 0329 or adamlbrook@hotmail.com. You can check out the film's web site at www.twentytolifefilm.com Thanks for listening, and we are hoping to see you soon, MICHIGAN PREMIERE TOUR > Musicus Media & Big Chief Productions Present > TWENTY TO LIFE: The Life & Times of John Sinclair > A Film by Steve Gebhardt > > U.S. Premiere > Tuesday, October 2, 2007 > Flint Institute of Arts > Flint, Michigan > To Benefit Flint Creative Alliance > Reception: 5:00-7:00 pm > Screening: 7:00-8:30 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 8:30-9:00 pm > After Party @ Churchill's Pub: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair with Glowb > > > Wednesday, October 3, 2007 > Grand Rapids Micro-Cinema > Grand Rapids, Michigan > Introduction by Steve Gebhardt: 7:00 pm > Screening: 7:30-9:00 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 9:00-9:30 pm > After Party @ Whiskey Lounge: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair with the Vincent Hayes Project > > > Thursday, October 4, 2007 > Inside Out Gallery > Traverse City, Michigan > Introduction by Steve Gebhardt: 7:00 pm > Screening: 7:30-9:00 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 9:00-9:30 pm > After Party @ Inside Out Gallery: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair > > > Friday, October 5, 2007 > Heart Center Library > Big Rapids, Michigan > In Association with Tribe Life Productions > Introduction by Steve Gebhardt: 7:00 pm > Screening: 7:30-9:00 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 9:00-9:30 pm > After Party: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair & His Blues Scholars > Featuring Michael, Dan, Tom & Daisy Mae Erlewine > > > Saturday, October 6, 2007 > Museum of Contemporary Art Detroit (MoCAD) > Woodward & Garfield > Detroit, Michigan > Introduction by Steve Gebhardt: 7:00 pm > Screening: 7:00-8:30 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 8:30-9:00 pm > After Party @ Butcher's Inn in Eastern Market: 9:30 pm > Performance by John Sinclair & Jeff Grand: 10:30 pm > > > Sunday, October 7, 2007 > Whitehall Playhouse > Whitehall, Michigan > Introduction by Steve Gebhardt: 7:00 pm > Screening: 7:30-9:00 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 9:00-9:30 pm > After Party @# Playhouse: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair with the Vincent Hayes Project > > > Wednesday, October 10, 2007 > Michigan Theater > Ann Arbor, Michigan > Reception: 6:30-7:00 pm > Screening: 7:00-8:30 pm > Q & A with Steve Gebhardt & John Sinclair: 8:30-9:00 pm > After Party @ FireFly Club: 10:00 pm > Performance by John Sinclair & Jeff Grand If you would like to be removed from this mailing list just ask. I am sending this to EVERYONE in my address book. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:17:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Aryanil Mukherjee Subject: Charyapada Discovery Celebrates 100 years MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In1907, Indian literary critic and researcher Haraprasad Shastri = discovered Charjapadas (or Charyapadas) - the earliest recorded poetry of North Eastern India written approx. = between 8th-12th century C.E. It was a palm-leaf manuscript, carefully preserved, containing 47 padas = (verses) written by 23 Buddhist poets from an area now covered by the Indian states of Assam, West Bengal, = Bihar, Orissa and the country of Bangladesh. These poems were written in a pro-Sanskrit form of early = Bengali language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charyapada ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:52:37 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: The monolith and the monster ballad Comments: To: webartery , rhizome , netbehaviour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 09/11/2007 Is it hard to love? The long road on which there shall be no parking at anytime also cannot define gravity albeit denser and more shallow and also spattered with lights. Even in Einstein sitting quietly is distance and sitting louder against the woods is some miles more. Filters can pill those bitter arid notes on a guitar. Though sometimes at night you come upon that curve behind thickening trees where broadway’s video pollution bends to your heels shuffling elyria ave pebbles ahead of you for breadcrumbs. Life’s most magnificent wonder is god’s mercy it says. Sure but i never want to be perfect. Leave me alone you’d say i’ll just die and everyone would be better off would go the outer shirt but where would i put my cigarettes i think i’m being crushed. Would it be hard to evolve? That night it dipped below 40. You saunter through the curl behind sheffield centre. Dips in the road studded with neon delicate and jutting fold your shadow into curbs to protect it from these cannibal streetlights in which your mother’s silences listen as you silk past the mill undetected but for this. The skunk pads swiftly across your path. That might be how neal cassady died. Just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in. Oh, the yellow placards denoting wet floor the soundtrack with the gain all the way down the islets of shadows trees make on the sidewalk after midnight after midnight the down the street the down on all four! It threatened rain both of those days but it never did and now it’s clear to everyone breathing the same old exhaust you look up from walking held to earth and some lawns unowned are allowed to grow wild. I’m just relieved to be able to crack my knuckles again. Two deer chasing safety under streetlights pothol’d with silk lisps and empty aftermidnight concrete through which these veins of stress and trembling run. One day our core will cool. Do you find it difficult to stripe across pavement that way? A woody smear of burn turns onto reid ave a wallowing in learnedness where birdhouses look like pallid floating faces in the dark. There you’re humming a monster love ballad for the universe. The highs wash over you swallow the walls and shit light back at the moon the lows traul o’neil blvd for wombs to angel and crave vertices to the pit of their mantles. You’ll fracture your hands pouncing and skimming through dense grasses trying to grasp what has always and ever been void. And on those nights clouds crazed the sky like a history of pressure pressed in rock? Then the headlights trouble you the newest churches calmly sleep as you pass by. 09/22/2007 Lewis LaCook Director of Web Development Abstract Outlooks Media 440-989-6481 http://www.abstractoutlooks.com Abstract Outlooks Media - Premium Web Hosting, Development, and Art Photography http://www.lewislacook.org lewislacook.org - New Media Poetry and Poetics http://www.xanaxpop.org Xanax Pop - the Poetry of Lewis LaCook ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:52:51 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: Fw: Educators: Teach about the Jena 6 (fwd) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT thought some among us, teachers, might be interested in this. best, gabe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:59:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Elizabeth Davis Dear Tara & Bree, Thank you for this information. I am a DC public school teacher who is desperate for help on how to use Jena 6 as a teachable moment and connect it to the current lives and circumstances of the students I teach. This Your information has been a blessing. I have downloaded and copied all of it for use in my classroom. Thank you! Elizabeth , DC teacher --- Tara Mack wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: bree > Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:27 AM > > Hello educators, > > I'm attaching a curriculum that we have been working on with teachers > activists from across the country. I hope you find it useful in learning > more about this situation and to teach about it in your classrooms. If > you are able to use it, drop me a line and tell me about it. Look > forward to seeing you soon, perhaps at the NYCoRE Back To School Night > (October 5th, 7:30, @ Carlito's Cafe.) > > Talk to you soon, > Bree > ________________________________________ > NYCoRE / Network of Teacher Activist Groups (TAG) present: > > Revealing Racist Roots: > The 3 R's for Teaching About the Jena 6 > > The Jena 6 is much bigger than Jim Crow being found alive and well in > the South. The Jena 6 crystallizes the police violence, discrimination, > and criminalization faced by African American and other youth of color. > The Jena 6 are high school students, youth like the youth in our > classrooms with experiences that are all too similar. But the. Jena 6 > case also shows that the legacy of the Civil Rights movement is alive in > our youth, communities, and schools. > > If all students are expected to learn about our country's justice > system, our history, our laws and our rights, what kinds of lessons can > we learn from the Jena 6? > > TAG's resource guide, entitled, Revealing Racist Roots: the 3 R's for > Teaching About the Jena 6 , calls upon educators to bring discussions > about the case of the Jena 6 to their schools. TAG is a growing network > of teacher organizations with a focus on social justice education, > including NYCoRE, Teachers for Social Justice, Chicago, and Teachers 4 > Social Justice, San Fransisco. TAG collected resources and lesson ideas > to help teachers and students understand contemporary racial conflict by > placing the case of the Jena 6 within a historical framework. > > Topics include: > > The Historical Context of American Racism > Linking to Literature > Media Literacy > Artivism: Responding Through the Arts > Social Action > Detailed Mathematics Unit > Links to organizations & more information > > The outpouring of national support for the Jena 6 has pushed the court > to vacate the conviction of Mychal Bell and reduce charges against the > other students. But they are still not free and justice has not been > done. TEACH about the JENA 6 in your classroom TODAY. > > Download the resource guide in PDF Version or Word Version for FREE > at: www.nycore.org OR www.t4sj.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- my website: http://thedcteacher.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:00:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Pierre Joris Subject: Bill Griffiths obituary in The Guardian Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ken Edwards just sent this email: Will Rowe=92s obituary of Bill Griffiths appeared in yesterday=92s (Sat =20= 22 Sept) Guardian. You can read the online version at http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries/story/0,,2174637,00.html I have written one for The Times, and will let you know if and when =20 it appears. Ken Edwards Reality Street Editions 63 All Saints Street Hastings, East Sussex TN34 3BN www.realitystreet.co.uk Visit the Reality Street stand at the Small Publishers Fair, Conway =20 Hall, Red Lion Square, London WC1 from 11am-5pm on Saturday 13 October > ___________________________________________________________ In philosophical terms, human liberty is the basic question of art. =20 -- Joseph Beuys ___________________________________________________________ Pierre Joris 244 Elm Street Albany NY 12202 h: 518 426 0433 c: 518 225 7123 o: 518 442 40 71 Euro cell: (011 33) 6 75 43 57 10 email: joris@albany.edu http://pierrejoris.com/ Nomadics blog: http://pjoris.blogspot.com ____________________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:33:50 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" SORRY GROUP--I HAD TO DELETE A LOT BECAUSE LIST ONLY ACCEPTS 800 WORDS--IF Y= OU WANT FULL TEXT I'LL BACKCHANNEL AS AN ATTACHMENT =C2=A0 the day that Jews ask for forgiveness for sins and transgressions.=20 =C2=A0 DAVID, ARE YOU A JEW? AND, IF SO, DID YOU ASK FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS AND= YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR? AND IF YOU=E2=80=99RE NOT A JEW: WH= Y ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOM KIPPUR? I MEAN I GOT THE PART WHERE YOU GAVE US=20= YOUR CONCLUSION THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS ETC. AND ALL TH= E OTHER POSTS YOU SEND THOUGH EVEN THOUGH A MILLION HORRIFYING THINGS ARE HA= PPENING IN THIS WORLD IT SEEMS YOUR FOCUS IS STRICTLY ANTI-ISRAEL BUT THERE=20= ARE THINGS TO CRICIZE THERE, IT=E2=80=99S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT IT=E2=80=94BUT:= WITH MY LAST BREATH I WILL NOT LET YOU GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE JEWS ON TH= E HOLOCAUST=E2=80=94NO WAY!!!!=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Years ago I wrote my own version of the enumeration of shortcomings and sins=20 =C2=A0 WHICH SINS? YOURS OR SOMEONE ELSE=E2=80=99S?=20 =C2=A0 A magazine printed it,=20 =C2=A0 WELL, IF A MAGAZINE PRINTED IT: IT MUST BE TRUE, RIGHT? (bobbi) =C2=A0 and I received a message from a professor =20 =C2=A0 CONGRATULATIONS. NOW YOU CAN PUT THAT ON YOUR BIO. (bobbi) =C2=A0 attributed to that prolific author, Anonymous,=20 =C2=A0 YES. ANONYMOUS IS VERY PROLIFIC. (bobbi) =C2=A0 and he was going to present a paper at a conference , I have updated it slightly,=20 =C2=A0 THAT=E2=80=99S OUR PROBLEM. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH PARTS YOU UPDATE= D. (bobbi) =C2=A0 and I send it out again.=C2=A0 May you all be inscribed in the Book of Life. =C2=A0 WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING TO? DON=E2=80=99T THROW THOSE WORDS OUT LIKE TH= AT!!!!!!!!! (bobbi) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yom Kippur Liturgy =C2=A0 Once we were strangers in someone else's house, =C2=A0 ALMOST ALWAYS. AND OUR SUITCASES STAY PACKED. THAT=E2=80=99S ALWAYS BEEN RUL= E #1 (bobbi) =C2=A0 Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 =C2=A0 WAIT A SECOND. I=E2=80=99M NO STRANGER IN MY OWN HEAD. (bobbi) =C2=A0 =E2=80=93=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 forgive us. =C2=A0 FORGIVE WHO?=20 =C2=A0 Forgive the beatings, the burlap bags that suffocate =C2=A0 =C2=A0 FORGIVE YASSER ARAFAT FOR CARING MORE ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$$$ HE COULD SEND TO= SWITZERLAND AND YET STILL PRETEND TO LIVE WITHIN THE IMAGE OF =E2=80=9CPOET= AS REVOLUTIONARY=E2=80=9D OR =E2=80=9CPOET AS POLITICAL FIGURE=E2=80=9D CAU= SE WE KNOW NO POET WANTS TO TRASH THAT ROMANTIC SELF-IMAGE HE=E2=80=99S BEEN= CULTIVATING JUST TO GET DOWN TO THE HARD PART OF BUILDING ROADS, AND SCHOOL= S AND HOSPITALS--INSTEAD OF HELPING HIS PEOPLE. (ON THE OTHER HAND, NO, HE D= OESN=E2=80=99T GET ANY FORGIVENESS FOR THAT ONE) =C2=A0 And forgive us the fig trees uprooted =C2=A0 =C2=A0 YES. THIS TRULY IS A TRAGEDY. THIS MUST BE REMEDIED. ABSOLUTELY IT MUST. (bo= bbi) =C2=A0 Once we were strangers in someone else's house, =C2=A0 NO ALWAYS. =E2=80=9CAND KEEP THAT SUITCASE PACKED=E2=80=9D (bobbi) =C2=A0 Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 =C2=A0 NOW THAT PART ISN=E2=80=99T TRUE. DO YOU KNOW THE WRITER AMOS OZ? HIS FICTIO= N IS BEAUTIFUL. BUT EVEN MORE, HE=E2=80=99S PART OF =E2=80=9CPEACE NOW=E2= =80=9D A MOVEMENT IN ISRAEL (I HOPE IT STILL EXISTS=E2=80=94BECAUSE WHEN ARA= FAT WALKED AWAY FROM BEING OFFERED 98% OF WHAT HE WANTED HE JUST WALKED AWAY= / DIDN=E2=80=99T EVEN TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND THEN, TRAGICALLY, SHARON WALKED U= P TO THE MOUNT. THAT WAS SUCH A TRAGEDY FOR SO MANY) =C2=A0 Forgive ....=E2=80=93 the flags=20 =C2=A0 YES, REALLY. WHEN WILL WE DO AWAY WITH FLAGS? (bobbi) =C2=A0 and soldiers and Knessets =E2=80=93 =C2=A0 PLEASE LEAVE THE SOLDIERS AND THE KNESSET OUT OF IT, PLEASE. THAT HAS NOTHIN= G TO DO WITH THE ABOVE. (bobbi) =C2=A0 That makes us forget the voices of Prophets. =C2=A0 NO WAY THEIR VOICES ARE FORGOTTEN. WE JUST GOTTA FIND A WAY TO REMEDY THIS H= ORRIFYING SITUATION. BUT NO ONE=E2=80=99S FORGOTTEN THE VOICES OF THE PROPHE= TS. AT LEAST NOT FROM WHERE I=E2=80=99M SITTING. (bobbi) =C2=A0 Forgive us all the evils we have done while crying "Never Again." =C2=A0 NO. THAT=E2=80=99S NOT RIGHT. AS FAR AS =E2=80=9CEVILS=E2=80=9D OK THERE ARE= A LOT OF CRAZY FANATICS IN ALL GROUPS BUT IT=E2=80=99S BECAUSE WHEN ALMOST=20= EVERY HOLIDAY YOU HAVE (NOT CELEBRATE) IS ABOUT SURVIVAL=E2=80=A6WELL, AND T= HE HOLOCAUST IS JUST TO HORRIFYING TO EVEN CATAGORIZE AMONG ALL THE MANY THI= NGS WHICH HAPPENED IN HISTORY=E2=80=94SO =E2=80=9CNEVER AGAIN=E2=80=9D IS DE= FINITELY THE CRY AND THAT CRY WILL CONTINUED REGARDLESS OF ALL THE BOTCHED W= ORK OF POLITICIANS (bobbi) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We have planted, but we pray that no one reaps. =C2=A0 THAT=E2=80=99S A TOTAL LIE. I CAN GIVE YOU A BILLION EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT IS= A TOTAL LIE BUT JUST FOR NOW, PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS: JUST LOOK UP HOW MUC= H MONEY ISRAEL GAVE TO AID VICTIMS IN DARFUR. (bobbi) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 We are ever strangers in someone else's house, =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NO, WE=E2=80=99RE NOT. WE HAVE A COUNTRY NOW. AND, YES, IT=E2=80=99S A MESS.= BUT NO WAY WE ARE GOING TO LET GO OF THAT HAVEN OF OURS. BECAUSE THERE ARE=20= TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH LIKE YOU (WHO SOMEHOW GET OBSESSED WITH JEWS A= ND BLAMING JEWS) AND WE NEED A PLACE TO BE AT PEACE AWAY FROM THEM.(bobbi) =C2=A0 But we can always be at home in our heads =E2=80=93=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 AND ARE YOU AT HOME IN YOUR HEAD? BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE INDIVI= DUAL. (bobbi) =C2=A0 BOBBI LURIE =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:27:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Fw: Tuesday: Living Lab: Musetry + Ilgenfritz Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, anansi1@earthlink.net, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, arlenej2@verizon.net, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, butchershoppoet@hotmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, Hooker99@aol.com, rakien@gmail.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, krkubert@hotmail.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, tcumbie@nyc.rr.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tuesday, September 25 8:00pm The Living Lab at the Living Theatre 21 Clinton St. (below Houston) 8pm James Ilgenfritz - solo bass works from composers Gordon Beeferman, Steve Rush, Miller Puckette, Jeffrey Treviño, Brian Griffeath-Loeb, Anthony Braxton, Luciano Berio, and Jimmy Giuffre + 9pm The Musetry Project featuring vocalist Ellen Christi (ellenchristi.com) poet Steve Dalachinsky and special guest, bassist James Ilgenfritz with Adam Lane (bass) Eddy Rollin (oboe and assorted instruments) Ravish Momin (percussion) and Ty Cumbie (leader, guitar) $10 partly benefits the Living Theatre (http://www.livingtheatre.org/) and its ongoing struggle to wake up the world and pay the rent! ++++++++++++ The Musetry Project moves forward with its first performance including poet Steve Dalachinsky, and its second with the seasoned and highly gifted vocalist Ellen Christi. Musetry is a truly experimental project that attempts to create a fusion form from music and poetry. Whether or not it succeeds is almost irrelevant. The interest – and entertainment – lie in witnessing the attempt. The Living Lab is an experimental music and performance labaratory begun in May, 2007 at the Living Theatre in downtown Manhattan. The Living Lab provides opportunities for experimenting musicians, poets and performing artists to develop and present their work to the public. Although the Living Lab is independent, it shares the Living Theatre’s 60-year-old commitment to contributing to positive social awareness and change through mind-expanding performance work. With a new venue, the Living Theatre, a new name and a new emphasis on experimentation with combined disciplines, The Living Lab is poised to become an important entity in New York alternative culture. Living Theatre Mission Statement To call into question who we are to each other in the social environment of the theater, to undo the knots that lead to misery, to spread ourselves across the public's table like platters at a banquet, to set ourselves in motion like a vortex that pulls the spectator into action, to fire the body's secret engines, to pass through the prism and come out a rainbow, to insist that what happens in the jails matters, to cry "Not in my name!" at the hour of execution, to move from the theater to the street and from the street to the theater. This is what The Living Theatre does today. It is what it has always done. Ty Cumbie art : : design : : words 212-666-6306 tcumbie@nyc.rr.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Raymond Bianchi Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? Comments: cc: Dillon Westbrook MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dillon drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you like?? R -------------- Original message -------------- From: Dillon Westbrook > Dearest Listers, > > Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning of next week, > wondering from any residents thereof what's crucial attendance. Never > been in my natural life. Back or forward channel. > > thanks, > Dillon ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:24:19 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: from bromridge re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. As a boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one of the cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with potatoes left over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a rake. I believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat them. My diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation of my wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David Maria Damon wrote: Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring pronto???! Rachel Loden wrote: My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand herring. I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. Maria wrote: >> yeah, lemme at 'em! >> >> George Bowering wrote: >> >>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: >>> >>> >>>> herring! yummy! >>>> >>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:08:06 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <46F5295C.7010802@umn.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Okay, a work of genius. I will admit that with some difficulty. But I bet Blowering never spent Christmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating lutefisk. Lutefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it into a sort of gelatinous mass: So much depends upon a grey lye fish glazed with K-Y jelly beside the white in-laws. Maria wrote: > a work of genius! > > George Bowering wrote: > > So much depends upon > > a dead green herring > > beside the boiled eggs > > on a Swedish table. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:24:57 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response In-Reply-To: <8C9CC1F09B3D4CF-874-C4D@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bobbie: I didn't write this, as you can see it is from Hilton Obenzinger. My father's father was Jewish, but my father never knew him.=20 My youngest son's grandfather was a refugee from the Holocaust. My niece is Jewish and grew up and lives in Brooklyn. I take full responsability for sending the letter because I think it is pr= ayer for compassion, for the heart to open to compassion, to ask for forgiv= eness for one's wrongs, to not hold on to the darknesses of the past but t= o build the future with light. I think that what Dr. Obenzinger is saying about the piece being called "fo= lkloric" and written by "anonymous" is a sign that many people find the mes= sage of compassion a beautiful one that is also in their own hearts. It i= s a prayer that does not "belong" to any one specific person so to speak, = but to "anyone". It is a message of peace.=20 Dr. Obenzinger does not at all say the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews. = Please read his words more carefully.=20 Here in Milwaukee is the nation's only Black Holocaust Museum, founded by D= r. James Cameron, the survivor of a mass lynching. Looking out my window, = walking the neighborhood, there's no need of Jena or Katrina to understand = the concept of a Black Holocaust in America. It's effects are ongoing ever= y minute. Since my father had hardly any family I grew up identifying with my mother'= s French-Indian side of the family. When I was about five my Great-Aunt to= ld me the horror story of what happened to almost all the Indians in the fa= mily loaded on trains and given infected blankets. My first wife is a Moha= wk. Last week I went to a rez with a friend. Again, a Holocaust that went = into the building of the USA, and one whose effects are ongoing every minut= e. When I read Dr. Obenzinger's prayer, I feel it is for an end to Holocausts.= =20 An end to Holocausts against one's people and also those actions on this wa= y by one's people against others. In short, a prayer for Peace. > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:33:50 -0400 > From: bobbilurie@AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > SORRY GROUP--I HAD TO DELETE A LOT BECAUSE LIST ONLY ACCEPTS 800 WORDS--I= F YOU WANT FULL TEXT I'LL BACKCHANNEL AS AN ATTACHMENT > =20 >=20 > the day that Jews ask for forgiveness for sins and >=20 > transgressions.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > DAVID, ARE YOU A JEW? AND, IF SO, DID YOU ASK FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS = AND YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR? AND IF YOU=92RE NOT A JEW: WHY = ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOM KIPPUR? I MEAN I GOT THE PART WHERE YOU GAVE US Y= OUR CONCLUSION THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS ETC. AND ALL TH= E OTHER POSTS YOU SEND THOUGH EVEN THOUGH A MILLION HORRIFYING THINGS ARE H= APPENING IN THIS WORLD IT SEEMS YOUR FOCUS IS STRICTLY ANTI-ISRAEL BUT THER= E ARE THINGS TO CRICIZE THERE, IT=92S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT IT=97BUT: WITH MY = LAST BREATH I WILL NOT LET YOU GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE JEWS ON THE HOLOCA= UST=97NO WAY!!!!=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Years ago I wrote my own version of the >=20 > enumeration of shortcomings and sins=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > WHICH SINS? YOURS OR SOMEONE ELSE=92S?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > A >=20 > magazine printed it,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > WELL, IF A MAGAZINE PRINTED IT: IT MUST BE TRUE, RIGHT? (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > and I received a message from a professor =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > CONGRATULATIONS. NOW YOU CAN PUT THAT ON YOUR BIO. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > attributed to >=20 > that prolific author, Anonymous,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > YES. ANONYMOUS IS VERY PROLIFIC. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > and he was going to present a paper >=20 > at a conference , I have updated it >=20 > slightly,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > THAT=92S OUR PROBLEM. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH PARTS YOU UPDATED. = (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > and I send it out again. May you all be inscribed in the >=20 > Book of Life. >=20 > =20 >=20 > WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING TO? DON=92T THROW THOSE WORDS OUT LIKE THAT!= !!!!!!!! (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Yom Kippur Liturgy >=20 > =20 >=20 > Once we were strangers in someone else's house, >=20 > =20 >=20 > ALMOST ALWAYS. AND OUR SUITCASES STAY PACKED. THAT=92S ALWAYS BEEN RULE #= 1 (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > WAIT A SECOND. I=92M NO STRANGER IN MY OWN HEAD. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > =96 forgive us. >=20 > =20 >=20 > FORGIVE WHO?=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Forgive the beatings, the burlap bags that suffocate =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > FORGIVE YASSER ARAFAT FOR CARING MORE ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$$$ HE COULD SEND= TO SWITZERLAND AND YET STILL PRETEND TO LIVE WITHIN THE IMAGE OF =93POET A= S REVOLUTIONARY=94 OR =93POET AS POLITICAL FIGURE=94 CAUSE WE KNOW NO POET = WANTS TO TRASH THAT ROMANTIC SELF-IMAGE HE=92S BEEN CULTIVATING JUST TO GET= DOWN TO THE HARD PART OF BUILDING ROADS, AND SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS--INSTEA= D OF HELPING HIS PEOPLE. (ON THE OTHER HAND, NO, HE DOESN=92T GET ANY FORGI= VENESS FOR THAT ONE) >=20 > =20 >=20 > And forgive us the fig trees uprooted =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > YES. THIS TRULY IS A TRAGEDY. THIS MUST BE REMEDIED. ABSOLUTELY IT MUST. = (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Once we were strangers in someone else's house, >=20 > =20 >=20 > NO ALWAYS. =93AND KEEP THAT SUITCASE PACKED=94 (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > NOW THAT PART ISN=92T TRUE. DO YOU KNOW THE WRITER AMOS OZ? HIS FICTION I= S BEAUTIFUL. BUT EVEN MORE, HE=92S PART OF =93PEACE NOW=94 A MOVEMENT IN IS= RAEL (I HOPE IT STILL EXISTS=97BECAUSE WHEN ARAFAT WALKED AWAY FROM BEING O= FFERED 98% OF WHAT HE WANTED HE JUST WALKED AWAY/ DIDN=92T EVEN TRY TO NEGO= TIATE AND THEN, TRAGICALLY, SHARON WALKED UP TO THE MOUNT. THAT WAS SUCH A = TRAGEDY FOR SO MANY) >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Forgive ....=96 the flags=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > YES, REALLY. WHEN WILL WE DO AWAY WITH FLAGS? (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > and soldiers and Knessets =96 >=20 > =20 >=20 > PLEASE LEAVE THE SOLDIERS AND THE KNESSET OUT OF IT, PLEASE. THAT HAS NOT= HING TO DO WITH THE ABOVE. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > That makes us forget the voices of Prophets. >=20 > =20 >=20 > NO WAY THEIR VOICES ARE FORGOTTEN. WE JUST GOTTA FIND A WAY TO REMEDY THI= S HORRIFYING SITUATION. BUT NO ONE=92S FORGOTTEN THE VOICES OF THE PROPHETS= . AT LEAST NOT FROM WHERE I=92M SITTING. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Forgive us all the evils we have done while crying "Never Again." >=20 > =20 >=20 > NO. THAT=92S NOT RIGHT. AS FAR AS =93EVILS=94 OK THERE ARE A LOT OF CRAZY= FANATICS IN ALL GROUPS BUT IT=92S BECAUSE WHEN ALMOST EVERY HOLIDAY YOU HA= VE (NOT CELEBRATE) IS ABOUT SURVIVAL=85WELL, AND THE HOLOCAUST IS JUST TO H= ORRIFYING TO EVEN CATAGORIZE AMONG ALL THE MANY THINGS WHICH HAPPENED IN HI= STORY=97SO =93NEVER AGAIN=94 IS DEFINITELY THE CRY AND THAT CRY WILL CONTIN= UED REGARDLESS OF ALL THE BOTCHED WORK OF POLITICIANS (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > We have planted, but we pray that no one reaps. >=20 > =20 >=20 > THAT=92S A TOTAL LIE. I CAN GIVE YOU A BILLION EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT IS A = TOTAL LIE BUT JUST FOR NOW, PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS: JUST LOOK UP HOW MUCH = MONEY ISRAEL GAVE TO AID VICTIMS IN DARFUR. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > We are ever strangers in someone else's house, >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > NO, WE=92RE NOT. WE HAVE A COUNTRY NOW. AND, YES, IT=92S A MESS. BUT NO W= AY WE ARE GOING TO LET GO OF THAT HAVEN OF OURS. BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY= PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH LIKE YOU (WHO SOMEHOW GET OBSESSED WITH JEWS AND BLAM= ING JEWS) AND WE NEED A PLACE TO BE AT PEACE AWAY FROM THEM.(bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 > But we can always be at home in our heads =96=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > AND ARE YOU AT HOME IN YOUR HEAD? BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE IND= IVIDUAL. (bobbi) >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > BOBBI LURIE >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - h= ttp://mail.aol.com _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:33:00 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Robin Hamilton Subject: Unavailable Websites MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone know anything about websites, especially in North America, being unavailable at the moment? I've been trying to access LEME (Lexicon of Modern English) for the last day or so, without success. It's hosted by the University of Toronto. Their main site is up, but the library links as a whole seem to be down, not just LEME. There are also a couple of major financial sites in the US that seem to be unobtainable. Odd. Is there a cyber attack or something underway? Or is it just coincidence? Anyone else been having problems with sites that should be easily available? Robin Hamilton ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:22:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Git thee to the Art Institute of Chicago. Outside of Wrigley, it's the spot. gb On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Dillon Westbrook wrote: > Dearest Listers, > > Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning of next week, wondering > from any residents thereof what's crucial attendance. Never been in my > natural life. Back or forward channel. > > thanks, > Dillon > > George Harry Bowering, Never got his share. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:21:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: PLEASE COULD SOMEONE HELP ME GET TO ARCHIVES In-Reply-To: <20070923.112834.220.16.skyplums@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Buffalo List-- Could someone tell me how I can get to archives on this list? Bobbi Lurie ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:30:21 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: new(ish) on rob's clever blog Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT new(ish) on rob's clever blog -- Report: The (second annual) Edmonton Poetry Festival -- an opening of the plains (poem) -- 12 or 20 questions: with Jacob Wren -- 12 or 20 questions: with Gil McElroy -- ongoing (further) notes - mid-September, 2007 -- a poem & some upcoming Edmonton readings -- 12 or 20 questions: with Erin Moure -- 12 or 20 questions: with Phil Hall -- ongoing notes early September, 2007 -- 12 or 20 questions: for Jessica Westhead -- 12 or 20 questions: with Lance Blomgren -- Some Workshops: Toronto & Quebec -- 12 or 20 questions: with George Bowering -- 12 or 20 questions: with Nathaniel G. Moore -- 12 or 20 questions: with Noah Eli Gordon -- Rob Winger's Muybridge's Horse -- The 2007 Lampman-Scott Award Reading -- So I'm officially in Edmonton now... -- Jane Jordan: A obit written by Lynne Alsford, coordinator of the Sasquatch reading series. -- new (finally, slowly) from above/ground press -- Prairie Fire Press; 2007 writing contests -- ongoing notes: late August, 2007 (Stuart Ross; Aaron McCollough's Little Ease, Ahsahta Press; Jennifer Moxley, The Line, Post-Apollo Press) -- Ariana Reines' The Cow -- Naomi Guttman's Wet Apples, White Blood -- Pumping Irony Poetry Workshop by Stephen Brockwell at Collected Works Bookstore & Coffeebar -- above/ground press 2008 subscriptions (starting today) -- Sylvia Legris' Nerve Squall -- Margaret Avison (1918-2007) -- *dANDelion presents --- Radical Translations* -- a slate of (Ottawa) readings -- An Uncollected Andrew Suknaski poem -- ottawa international writers festival; here are upcoming August/September events: -- another weekend in old Glengarry -- poem for my sister's wedding -- Multi-Art Show OTTAWA ART BAZAAR Benefits Ottawa Art Community -- Noah Eli Gordon's A Fiddle Pulled from the Throat of a Sparrow -- The House That Jack Built: The Collected Lectures of Jack Spicer www.robmclennan.blogspot.com + some other new things at the alberta, writing blog www.albertawriting.blogspot.com + some other new things at ottawa poetry newsletter, www.ottawapoetry.blogspot.com + some other other new things at the Chaudiere Books blog, www.chaudierebooks.blogspot.com -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:28:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: from bromridge re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Comments: To: Rachel Loden , dcmb Bromige In-Reply-To: <007101c7fe0e$f5492fc0$220110ac@GLASSCASTLE> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Sep 23, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Rachel Loden wrote: > Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > > I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. > As a > boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one > of the > cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with > potatoes left > over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a > rake. I > believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat > them. My > diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation > of my > wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David I would show you, but if I put a photo here the Comintern in Buffalo would reject my posting. I can say that if I am ever in Newfoundland again I will eat a cod fish every day. George Harry Bowering Likes towns with -ver- in them. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:10:39 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Warren Lloyd Subject: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All, Can anyone recommend a good place to start to learn how to publish a hypertext? I am editing a text that has wonderful theoretical affinities with hypertext. In addition to the printed version I wanted to give hypertexting a whirl even if only a portion of the original text made it into a hypertext. I have very little specific knowledge about how to write code or how to begin to think about producing a hypertext, but for what I lack in specificity I think I can make up for with ambition and creativity-- maybe. So, can anyone recommend a book or a web page or point me in the right direction. I only post to the list about this because I am working with a deadline and I have already opened my mouth with a proposal, so I figured with the amount of knowledge on this list I might be able to avoid some obstacles that a naivete would be sure to encounter. I am extremely thankful to anyone who could possibly help. Best for now, Warren --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:34:17 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: from bromridge re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Comments: To: Rachel Loden In-Reply-To: <007101c7fe0e$f5492fc0$220110ac@GLASSCASTLE> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay in hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > > I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. As a > boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one of the > cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with potatoes left > over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a rake. I > believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat them. My > diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation of my > wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David > > > Maria Damon wrote: > > Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring pronto???! > > Rachel Loden wrote: > > My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand herring. > > I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. > > Maria wrote: > > >> yeah, lemme at 'em! > >> > >> George Bowering wrote: > >> > >>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> herring! yummy! > >>>> > >>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:51:59 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: mid)rib issue 1 now online! In-Reply-To: <190641.55200.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT beautiful issue, wonderful poetry. thanks, gabe On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, amy king wrote: > > http://midribpoetry.com/ > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: midribinfo@midribpoetry.com > Date: Sep 12, 2007 3:57 PM > Subject: mid)rib issue 1 now online! > > We're pleased to announce the inaugural issue of mid)rib. It is the mid)rib staff's hope to foster an international voice for experimental poetics. We hope you'll take as much pleasure in reading the work of our contributors as we have. In the issue you'll find new work from an eclectic group of writers, including: Tomas S. Butkus, Joel Chace, Regina Derieva, Anna Fulford, H.T. Harrison, Scott Hartwich, Beth Joselow, Kerry Shawn Keys, Amy King, Sarah Maclay, Nicholas Messenger, Bonnie Jean Michalski, Matt Reiter, Susan M. Schultz, Lauren Goodwin Slaughter, Ted Stimpfle and Jim Warner. We welcome your comments and feedback. Please feel free to forward this to any interested parties. Enjoy. > > Thanks, > the mid)rib staff > > andy martrich, editor > gordon faylor, editorial assistant > jeremy schevling, art boy/ designer > craig czury, contributing editor > > http://midribpoetry.com/ > > > --- > > Reviews of I'M THE MAN WHO LOVES YOU > > Matt Hart / Coldfront Magazine > http://reviews.coldfrontmag.com/2007/06/im_the_man_who_.html > > Mark Lamoureux / BOOG City > http://static.scribd.com/docs/kflyu7ufa6w1n.swf > > Nick Piombino / fait accompli > http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_03_18_archive.html > > Thomas Fink / Galatea Resurrects > http://galatearesurrection6.blogspot.com/2007/05/im-man-who-loves-you-by-amy-king.html > > ~ > > Recent Review of ANTIDOTES FOR AN ALIBI > > Adam Fieled / Stoning the Devil > http://adamfieled.blogspot.com/2007/05/book-review-amy-king-antidote-for-alibi.html > > ~ > > What To Wear During An Orange Alert? > http://wearduringorangealert.blogspot.com/2007/07/writers-corner_12.html > > ~ > > http://www.amyking.org/blog > > ---- > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:47:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Comments: To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <007401c7fe15$132a3510$220110ac@GLASSCASTLE> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Rachel didn't mention that you bury this lutefish in lye in a hole, and dig it up much later. What does the kitchen smell like, Rachel? On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Rachel Loden wrote: > Okay, a work of genius. I will admit that with some difficulty. But > I bet > Blowering never spent Christmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating > lutefisk. > > Lutefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it into a sort of > gelatinous mass: > > > So much depends > upon > > a grey lye > fish > > glazed with K-Y > jelly > > beside the white > in-laws. > > > Maria wrote: > >> a work of genius! >> >> George Bowering wrote: >>> So much depends upon >>> a dead green herring >>> beside the boiled eggs >>> on a Swedish table. >> > > G. Bowering, DLitt. I still haven't opened it. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:46:44 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <181773.4960.qm@web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Hello All, > > Can anyone recommend a good place to start to learn how to > publish a hypertext? I am editing a text that has wonderful > theoretical affinities with hypertext. In addition to the printed > version I wanted to give hypertexting a whirl even if only a > portion of the original text made it into a hypertext. I have > very little specific knowledge about how to write code or how to > begin to think about producing a hypertext, but for what I lack > in specificity I think I can make up for with ambition and > creativity-- maybe. So, can anyone recommend a book or a web page > or point me in the right direction. I only post to the list about > this because I am working with a deadline and I have already > opened my mouth with a proposal, so I figured with the amount of > knowledge on this list I might be able to avoid some obstacles > that a naivete would be sure to encounter. I am extremely > thankful to anyone who could possibly help. > > Best for now, > Warren Hi Warren, It would be useful to hear more about what you want to do before making any recommendations about how you might proceed. There are some HTML editors around, such as Dreamweaver from Adobe, that are quite nice for editing HTML (Hypertext Markup Language) documents. One of the blessings/curses of Dreamweaver is that you don't have to learn HTML at the code level (until it goes wrong). Google 'Dreamweaver' or 'HTML editors'. It is useful to know HTML at the code level, however, particularly if you plan to make a habit of HTML. If you google 'HTML tutorials', you will come across many. I often use http://w3schools.com (bookmark this) when I need to look up something concerning HTML or CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) or Javascript. Also, if you learn HTML at the code level, you don't need Dreamweaver or other HTML editors. Though I know HTML at the code level and use Dreamweaver. It allows me to work faster than I would otherwise, and that usually means more creatively. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:39:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Nicoll Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <181773.4960.qm@web50204.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Warren, hi, First, good luck with your project. Jim Andrews has already suggested Dreamweaver, and not knowing much about the nature of your project or the deadline you're under, I am not sure if alternatives will prove helpful or not. That said, for composing hypertexts that you could then export to the web, take a look at Storyspace (Mac and Windows), or Tinderbox (currently Mac only) from Eastgate Systems. These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another option might be to write in or export to a wiki. Hope this helps, Hugh -- Hugh Nicoll JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ hnicoll@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:41:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Re: PLEASE COULD SOMEONE HELP ME GET TO ARCHIVES In-Reply-To: <8C9CC3EDADE0019-874-12CB@webmail-da02.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Bobbi, Please access the archive here: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html Best, Amy Bobbi Lurie wrote: Dear Buffalo List-- Could someone tell me how I can get to archives on this list? Bobbi Lurie --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:43:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: home and film MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed home and film 1. Why the turtle in turtle.jpg. The turtle was there on the grounds; the film of the real was projected beyond or across the world of the turtle, or one should say, home. 2. Why the film of the real. We watched the screen for hours on end in our home; leaves and branches, buildings and a solitary star anchored the image changing as the day changes, and the night. 3. Why the film. The film was visible in the home of the day, which is to say the tiredness or sleep of the night; perhaps the night's dream played upon us for those days and weeks without end. 4. Why is the audience facing elsewhere. Recording the mise en scene it was more than clear that so many of us are used to action, the propriety of seizure, grasping at straws; still, there was something inexorable in the uncanny image which practically slept its way across the homeland screen. http://www.asondheim.org/turtle13.jpg 1. We are contained and we do not escape. 2. In walls and ceilings are walls and ceilings, inescapable. 3. Our sickness travels around our lungs, our feet flail. 4. We do not leave from this spot and someone's naming. http://www.asondheim.org/turtle14.jpg ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:56:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" David, =C2=A0 Thank you for answering. =C2=A0 I know text was from Hilton Obenzinger just as I know your other text came f= rom a review of some work of Hannah Arendt. But because I=E2=80=99m not so m= uch into reading text as into context and subtext, I needed clarification an= d so I thank you for that. =C2=A0 Nonetheless, I have no idea what a prayer for Yom Kippur (the day after Yom=20= Kippur) has anything to do with this poetics list. And if this prayer belong= s to =E2=80=9Canyone=E2=80=9D why is it so specific? =C2=A0 I know Obenzinger does not say the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews. That=20= conclusion came from your other conclusions from Hannah Arendt. =C2=A0 I agree with you re: the situation in our country. And I truly have compassi= on for all people who have suffered due to the ignorance and cruelty of thei= r fellow man (doesn=E2=80=99t that include all of us?). For this, I believe=20= we must do much more than ask forgiveness. We must =E2=80=9Cdo=E2=80=9D some= thing. =C2=A0 I am very happy to read this prayer you sent is a call for an end to all hol= ocausts. I do pray this can be a reality. We certainly need it now. =C2=A0 Thank you for your communication. =C2=A0 I join you in a prayer for peace. =C2=A0 In Friendship, Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: David-Baptiste Chirot To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 2:24 pm Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response Dear Bobbie: I didn't write this, as you can see it is from Hilton Obenzinger. y father's father was Jewish, but my father never knew him.=20 y youngest son's grandfather was a refugee from the Holocaust. y niece is Jewish and grew up and lives in Brooklyn. I take full responsability for sending the letter because I think it is pra= yer=20 or compassion, for the heart to open to compassion, to ask for forgiveness f= or=20 ne's wrongs, to not hold on to the darknesses of the past but to build the=20 uture with light. I think that what Dr. Obenzinger is saying about the piece being called=20 folkloric" and written by "anonymous" is a sign that many people find the=20 essage of compassion a beautiful one that is also in their own hearts. It=20= is=20 prayer that does not "belong" to any one specific person so to speak, but=20= to=20 anyone". It is a message of peace.=20 r. Obenzinger does not at all say the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews.=20 lease read his words more carefully.=20 Here in Milwaukee is the nation's only Black Holocaust Museum, founded by Dr= .=20 ames Cameron, the survivor of a mass lynching. Looking out my window, walki= ng=20 he neighborhood, there's no need of Jena or Katrina to understand the concep= t=20 f a Black Holocaust in America. It's effects are ongoing every minute. Since my father had hardly any family I grew up identifying with my mother's= =20 rench-Indian side of the family. When I was about five my Great-Aunt told m= e=20 he horror story of what happened to almost all the Indians in the family =20 oaded on trains and given infected blankets. My first wife is a Mohawk. Last= =20 eek I went to a rez with a friend. Again, a Holocaust that went into the=20 uilding of the USA, and one whose effects are ongoing every minute. When I read Dr. Obenzinger's prayer, I feel it is for an end to Holocausts.=20 n end to Holocausts against one's people and also those actions on this way=20= by=20 ne's people against others. n short, a prayer for Peace. Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:33:50 -0400 From: bobbilurie@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU =20 SORRY GROUP--I HAD TO DELETE A LOT BECAUSE LIST ONLY ACCEPTS 800 WORDS--IF=20= YOU=20 ANT FULL TEXT I'LL BACKCHANNEL AS AN ATTACHMENT =20 =20 the day that Jews ask for forgiveness for sins and =20 transgressions.=20 =20 =20 =20 DAVID, ARE YOU A JEW? AND, IF SO, DID YOU ASK FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS AN= D=20 OUR TRANSGRESSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR? AND IF YOU=E2=80=99RE NOT A JEW: WHY=20= ARE YOU=20 ALKING ABOUT YOM KIPPUR? I MEAN I GOT THE PART WHERE YOU GAVE US YOUR=20 ONCLUSION THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS ETC. AND ALL THE OTHE= R=20 OSTS YOU SEND THOUGH EVEN THOUGH A MILLION HORRIFYING THINGS ARE HAPPENING I= N=20 HIS WORLD IT SEEMS YOUR FOCUS IS STRICTLY ANTI-ISRAEL BUT THERE ARE THINGS T= O=20 RICIZE THERE, IT=E2=80=99S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT IT=E2=80=94BUT: WITH MY LAST B= REATH I WILL NOT=20 ET YOU GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE JEWS ON THE HOLOCAUST=E2=80=94NO WAY!!!!=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Years ago I wrote my own version of the =20 enumeration of shortcomings and sins=20 =20 =20 =20 WHICH SINS? YOURS OR SOMEONE ELSE=E2=80=99S?=20 =20 =20 =20 A =20 magazine printed it,=20 =20 =20 =20 WELL, IF A MAGAZINE PRINTED IT: IT MUST BE TRUE, RIGHT? (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 and I received a message from a professor =20 =20 =20 =20 CONGRATULATIONS. NOW YOU CAN PUT THAT ON YOUR BIO. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 attributed to =20 that prolific author, Anonymous,=20 =20 =20 =20 YES. ANONYMOUS IS VERY PROLIFIC. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 and he was going to present a paper =20 at a conference , I have updated it =20 slightly,=20 =20 =20 =20 THAT=E2=80=99S OUR PROBLEM. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH PARTS YOU UPDAT= ED. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 and I send it out again. May you all be inscribed in the =20 Book of Life. =20 =20 =20 WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING TO? DON=E2=80=99T THROW THOSE WORDS OUT LIKE=20 HAT!!!!!!!!! (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Yom Kippur Liturgy =20 =20 =20 Once we were strangers in someone else's house, =20 =20 =20 ALMOST ALWAYS. AND OUR SUITCASES STAY PACKED. THAT=E2=80=99S ALWAYS BEEN RU= LE #1=20 bobbi) =20 =20 =20 Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 =20 =20 =20 WAIT A SECOND. I=E2=80=99M NO STRANGER IN MY OWN HEAD. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =E2=80=93 forgive us. =20 =20 =20 FORGIVE WHO?=20 =20 =20 =20 Forgive the beatings, the burlap bags that suffocate =20 =20 =20 =20 FORGIVE YASSER ARAFAT FOR CARING MORE ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$$$ HE COULD SEND T= O=20 WITZERLAND AND YET STILL PRETEND TO LIVE WITHIN THE IMAGE OF =E2=80=9CPOET A= S=20 EVOLUTIONARY=E2=80=9D OR =E2=80=9CPOET AS POLITICAL FIGURE=E2=80=9D CAUSE WE= KNOW NO POET WANTS TO=20 RASH THAT ROMANTIC SELF-IMAGE HE=E2=80=99S BEEN CULTIVATING JUST TO GET DOWN= TO THE=20 ARD PART OF BUILDING ROADS, AND SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS--INSTEAD OF HELPING HI= S=20 EOPLE. (ON THE OTHER HAND, NO, HE DOESN=E2=80=99T GET ANY FORGIVENESS FOR TH= AT ONE) =20 =20 =20 And forgive us the fig trees uprooted =20 =20 =20 =20 YES. THIS TRULY IS A TRAGEDY. THIS MUST BE REMEDIED. ABSOLUTELY IT MUST.=20 bobbi) =20 =20 =20 Once we were strangers in someone else's house, =20 =20 =20 NO ALWAYS. =E2=80=9CAND KEEP THAT SUITCASE PACKED=E2=80=9D (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 =20 =20 =20 NOW THAT PART ISN=E2=80=99T TRUE. DO YOU KNOW THE WRITER AMOS OZ? HIS FICTI= ON IS=20 EAUTIFUL. BUT EVEN MORE, HE=E2=80=99S PART OF =E2=80=9CPEACE NOW=E2=80=9D A=20= MOVEMENT IN ISRAEL (I HOPE=20 T STILL EXISTS=E2=80=94BECAUSE WHEN ARAFAT WALKED AWAY FROM BEING OFFERED 98= % OF WHAT=20 E WANTED HE JUST WALKED AWAY/ DIDN=E2=80=99T EVEN TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND THEN,= =20 RAGICALLY, SHARON WALKED UP TO THE MOUNT. THAT WAS SUCH A TRAGEDY FOR SO MAN= Y) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Forgive ....=E2=80=93 the flags=20 =20 =20 =20 YES, REALLY. WHEN WILL WE DO AWAY WITH FLAGS? (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 and soldiers and Knessets =E2=80=93 =20 =20 =20 PLEASE LEAVE THE SOLDIERS AND THE KNESSET OUT OF IT, PLEASE. THAT HAS NOTHI= NG=20 O DO WITH THE ABOVE. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 That makes us forget the voices of Prophets. =20 =20 =20 NO WAY THEIR VOICES ARE FORGOTTEN. WE JUST GOTTA FIND A WAY TO REMEDY THIS=20 ORRIFYING SITUATION. BUT NO ONE=E2=80=99S FORGOTTEN THE VOICES OF THE PROPHE= TS. AT=20 EAST NOT FROM WHERE I=E2=80=99M SITTING. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Forgive us all the evils we have done while crying "Never Again." =20 =20 =20 NO. THAT=E2=80=99S NOT RIGHT. AS FAR AS =E2=80=9CEVILS=E2=80=9D OK THERE AR= E A LOT OF CRAZY FANATICS=20 N ALL GROUPS BUT IT=E2=80=99S BECAUSE WHEN ALMOST EVERY HOLIDAY YOU HAVE (NO= T=20 ELEBRATE) IS ABOUT SURVIVAL=E2=80=A6WELL, AND THE HOLOCAUST IS JUST TO HORRI= FYING TO=20 VEN CATAGORIZE AMONG ALL THE MANY THINGS WHICH HAPPENED IN HISTORY=E2=80=94S= O =E2=80=9CNEVER=20 GAIN=E2=80=9D IS DEFINITELY THE CRY AND THAT CRY WILL CONTINUED REGARDLESS O= F ALL THE=20 OTCHED WORK OF POLITICIANS (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 We have planted, but we pray that no one reaps. =20 =20 =20 THAT=E2=80=99S A TOTAL LIE. I CAN GIVE YOU A BILLION EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT I= S A TOTAL=20 IE BUT JUST FOR NOW, PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS: JUST LOOK UP HOW MUCH MONEY=20 SRAEL GAVE TO AID VICTIMS IN DARFUR. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 We are ever strangers in someone else's house, =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 NO, WE=E2=80=99RE NOT. WE HAVE A COUNTRY NOW. AND, YES, IT=E2=80=99S A MESS= . BUT NO WAY WE ARE=20 OING TO LET GO OF THAT HAVEN OF OURS. BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON T= HIS=20 ARTH LIKE YOU (WHO SOMEHOW GET OBSESSED WITH JEWS AND BLAMING JEWS) AND WE N= EED=20 PLACE TO BE AT PEACE AWAY FROM THEM.(bobbi) =20 =20 =20 But we can always be at home in our heads =E2=80=93=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 AND ARE YOU AT HOME IN YOUR HEAD? BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE=20 NDIVIDUAL. (bobbi) =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 BOBBI LURIE =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -=20 ttp://mail.aol.com _________________________________________________________________ apture your memories in an online journal! ttp://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus=3D ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:57:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: PLEASE COULD SOMEONE HELP ME GET TO ARCHIVES In-Reply-To: <812189.6237.qm@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Amy, Thank you!!!! Bobbi -----Original Message----- From: amy king To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 8:41 pm Subject: Re: PLEASE COULD SOMEONE HELP ME GET TO ARCHIVES Dear Bobbi, Please access the archive here: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/poetics.html Best, Amy Bobbi Lurie wrote: Dear Buffalo List-- Could someone tell me how I can get to archives on this list? Bobbi Lurie --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:08:36 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Barrett Watten Subject: some posts Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Post 37: Continuous Reading: Ten Reviews in Ten Days (Part 1) reviews of Daniel Bouchard, Brenda Coultas, Suzanne Doppelt, Robert Fitterman, Merrill Gilfillan http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post37.html Post 38: Continuous Reading, Interrupted (Part 2) review of Ted Greenwald; to be continued http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post38.html Post 39: A Fractal Reading of Spring & All http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post39.html Post 40: Transcendental One-Liners: Words Fail Me at MOCAD http://www.english.wayne.edu/fac%5Fpages/ewatten/posts/post40.html ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:48:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Warren Lloyd Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <18e6c0c00709231939i51286da9uef028b89272e1033@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks all for the great advice! I think I have plenty to start working. If I have more questions I'll post again. Thanks sincerely for the quick and helpful responses! Best for now, Warren Hugh Nicoll wrote: Warren, hi, First, good luck with your project. Jim Andrews has already suggested Dreamweaver, and not knowing much about the nature of your project or the deadline you're under, I am not sure if alternatives will prove helpful or not. That said, for composing hypertexts that you could then export to the web, take a look at Storyspace (Mac and Windows), or Tinderbox (currently Mac only) from Eastgate Systems. These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another option might be to write in or export to a wiki. Hope this helps, Hugh -- Hugh Nicoll JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ hnicoll@gmail.com --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:00:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <18e6c0c00709231939i51286da9uef028b89272e1033@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =20 > >=20 > >=20 > These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful > in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with > tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another > option might be to write in or export to a wiki. >=20 > Hope this helps,=20 > Hugh I don't know anything about Tinderbox, but Storyspace does not "provide = more flexibility than the Web offers". Storyspace was used to create = some influential literary hypertexts back, erm, what?, in the early to = mid nineties? But it hasn't been particularly popular, even in literary = circles, since HTML editors proliferated with the rise of the Web in = 94-97. I understand Storyspace was wonderful at the time: it was maybe = the first and best tool developed by literary folks for literary folks, = as a tool for the development of a new type of literary work. Pretty = exciting, at the time. I read that one may export Storybook projects to HTML. But you certainly = could not contain all the functionality provided even just by Javascript = in Storybook. Javascript is a fullblown programming language. I don't = think Storyspace provides a fullblown programming language. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:14:31 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lily robert-foley Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 ooh... can I come too?=20=20 what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly (that's the big = bean shaped object if you walk a little north=20 of the art institute). The MCA is probably worth a go to. There are often= free concerts outdoors at Millenium Park,=20 which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour right behind the bean. Most of a= ll, though: take a ride on the el,=20 especially if you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there,= surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite=20 thing! for the first four months I lived here I felt like i was on a non-st= op roller coaster ride (except without the=20 nausea). But make sure you get a window seat! Also Chicago's landscape is= fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange=20 (or, if you're adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, = then come back up and take the red line all=20 the way up north and then pop into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line= stop for some drinks and some jazz=97 hoppin' til 4am!).=20=20=20 And then... there's one of my favorite places in all of Chicago. It's a li= brary of artists books=97books that artists made.=20=20 It's small and quiet and up on I think the 7th floor of an art institute bu= ilding. I don't think I have the exact address=20 and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do it (the wa= y I've done it in the past) is to go to the=20 library at the museum of the art institute and ask them there about it. I = believe it's on Wabash. They should know.=20=20 It's one of the most wonderous places in the world and its full of treasure= s. But downtown Chicago is like that too.=20 The architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning (I think th= ere's some kind of boat tour you can do=20 that's supposed to be pretty good).=20=20 And absolutely the best, most chicago, best most chicago restaurant (this i= s if you really want to understand what is=20 amazing about Chicago!) take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just check ou= t this website and tell me it doesn't=20 sound amazing. http://www.hotdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago = style, it's probably not worth the cab fare=20 if you're a vegetarian.=20=20 And then, my PERSONAL favorite place in Chicago (besides my apartment), if = you're going to be in town on a Saturday=20 or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and Press at 1511 Milwaukee and Ho= nore... pop in on a Sunday between 1=20 and 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot.=20=20 Can you tell I heart Chicago? Hope that helps. Cheers! Lily=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Bianchi" > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 >=20 >=20 > Dillon >=20 > drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you like?? >=20 > R >=20 > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Dillon Westbrook >=20 > > Dearest Listers, Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning=20 > > of next week, wondering from any residents thereof what's crucial=20 > > attendance. Never been in my natural life. Back or forward=20 > > channel. thanks, Dillon > --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:45:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Geoffrey Gatza Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 Comments: To: "BRITISH-POETS@JISCMAIL.AC.UK" , "New-Poetry-Request@Wiz.Cath.Vt.Edu"@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU, new-poetry-request@wiz.cath.vt.edu, ImitaPo Memebers Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable New York City =8B home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically diverse communities on the planet =8B often finds itself in the curious position of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most controversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. =20 The arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best known here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a myth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long performed with international firebrands. =20 Last week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. Ahmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to participate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to a sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are thrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX book.=B2=20 =20 Tony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a book, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with disgust. =20 --------------------------- http://welcometoboogcity.com/ =20 Season 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 ACA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. (bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC =20 Tues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books 6:00 p.m., free =20 Featuring readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, Kyle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ------------------------ --=20 Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza Editor & Publisher ------------------------------------- BlazeVOX [ books ] Publisher of weird little books -------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org http://www.blazevox.org ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:15:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: kevin thurston Subject: two readings this week, 'this aint the chicago review' and an triple launch MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 'This ain't the Chicago Review' sean bonney frances kruk sophie robinson ric royer thursday, sept 27th@7 rust belt books, 202 allen st triple launch extravaganza contributors to P-Queue, Damn the Caesars & Pilot jose alvergue, ben bedard, sean bonney, jon cotner, kai fierle-hedrick, frances kruk, karen maccormack, steve mccaffery, sophie robinson & siobhan scarry friday, sept 28th@8 adam mickiewicz library, 612 fillmore ave -- author of How to Irritate Friends & Isolate People http://fuckinglies.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:54:31 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Writing by Degrees Conference... Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 If anyone's going to be at the Writing by Degrees conference in Binghampton= who'd like to get together during or after or before or... let's try to ge= t an impromptu group together, maybe hang at the hotel rooms or local venue= s maybe to exchange work, talk about work, work... just an idea! christophe casamassima =3D Disability Income Unable to work due to Depression? Qualify for Disability Income. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3Decf02d16ed4e8e8944c5c= 0e060754f85 --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:30:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jcu Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HI Waren, Storyspace is an interesting program to write in. Butjust a reminder that the problem with storyspace is that only other readers with storyspace software can read your hypertext. Too bad there isn't a freeware hypertext writing program out there that everyone can use. j ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nicoll" To: Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:39 PM Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations > Warren, hi, > > First, good luck with your project. Jim Andrews has already suggested > Dreamweaver, and not knowing much about the nature of your project or > the deadline you're under, I am not sure if alternatives will prove > helpful or not. > > That said, for composing hypertexts that you could then export to the > web, take a look at Storyspace (Mac and Windows), or Tinderbox > (currently Mac only) from Eastgate Systems. > > > > > > These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful > in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with > tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another > option might be to write in or export to a wiki. > > Hope this helps, > > Hugh > > -- > Hugh Nicoll > JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator > http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ > hnicoll@gmail.com > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:21:58 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Raymond Bianchi Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? Comments: cc: George Bowering MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wrigley YUK -------------- Original message -------------- From: George Bowering > Git thee to the Art Institute of Chicago. > > Outside of Wrigley, it's the spot. > > gb > > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 8:41 PM, Dillon Westbrook wrote: > > > Dearest Listers, > > > > Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning of next week, wondering > > from any residents thereof what's crucial attendance. Never been in my > > natural life. Back or forward channel. > > > > thanks, > > Dillon > > > > > George Harry Bowering, > Never got his share. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:44:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: two readings this week, 'this aint the chicago review' and an triple launch In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Kevin, i'm going to read your blog when i get home tonight because anyone who's written a book titled "How to Irritate Friends & Isolate People" sounds like someone i'd like to read. --Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: kevin thurston To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:15 am Subject: two readings this week, 'this aint the chicago review' and an triple launch 'This ain't the Chicago Review' sean bonney frances kruk sophie robinson ric royer thursday, sept 27th@7 rust belt books, 202 allen st triple launch extravaganza contributors to P-Queue, Damn the Caesars & Pilot jose alvergue, ben bedard, sean bonney, jon cotner, kai fierle-hedrick, frances kruk, karen maccormack, steve mccaffery, sophie robinson & siobhan scarry friday, sept 28th@8 adam mickiewicz library, 612 fillmore ave -- author of How to Irritate Friends & Isolate People http://fuckinglies.blogspot.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:50:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <257601c7fea6$a9d67960$4a06efd1@user45c726892d> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As has been mentioned previously, there is a number of idiotproof wikis out there that are available for free. If yr just starting out & can't install yr own, pbwiki is a good one to check out. You can create a site with your own subdomain. Of course with free there is some ads but these guys are pretty good at keeping the wikispam off their sites... http://pbwiki.com/ I use phpwiki for our various projects & like it alot. Most hosting solutions have an autoinstaller for an early version of this. Here's a project that Maria D & I have been working on for a few years. http://joglars.org/EnterWriting/index.php/WritingDubuffetsTitles On Sep 24, 2007, at 7:30 AM, jcu wrote: > HI Waren, > Storyspace is an interesting program to write in. Butjust a > reminder that the problem with storyspace > is that only other readers with storyspace software > can read your hypertext. Too bad there isn't a freeware > hypertext writing program out there that everyone can > use. > j > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Nicoll" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations > > >> Warren, hi, >> First, good luck with your project. Jim Andrews has already suggested >> Dreamweaver, and not knowing much about the nature of your project or >> the deadline you're under, I am not sure if alternatives will prove >> helpful or not. >> That said, for composing hypertexts that you could then export to the >> web, take a look at Storyspace (Mac and Windows), or Tinderbox >> (currently Mac only) from Eastgate Systems. >> >> >> These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful >> in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with >> tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another >> option might be to write in or export to a wiki. >> Hope this helps, >> Hugh >> -- >> Hugh Nicoll >> JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator >> http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ >> hnicoll@gmail.com >> > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:50:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly f= rom Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S= . directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better th= at way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C2= =A0know more=C2=A0about it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City =E2=80=B9 home to the United Nations and some of the most ethn= ically iverse communities on the planet =E2=80=B9 often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.=C2=B2=20 ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with isgust. =20 -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- -=20 Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:54:24 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Raymond Bianchi Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? Comments: cc: lily robert-foley MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OK since we are giving recommendations for Chicago 1) Hot Dogs- Super Dawg on Milwaukee it is far away from Yuppie Land (where Hot Dougs is) and is pure Chicago also Gene and Judes is very good. 2) Music- Rosas Lounge in Humboldt Park 3) Beefs- (Yes in Chicago they are beefs) Mr Beef on Orleans but only for lunch 4) Good Food- LULA on Logan Square by the monument 5) Bar- Green Mill full of slammers but why not?? 6) DELI- Manny's Deli is off of Roosevelt it is one of the last parts of the Maxwell Street Area still that exists. 7) Bookstores- Go to Hyde Park and spend the afternoon at Seminary Coop -------------- Original message -------------- From: lily robert-foley > ooh... can I come too? > > what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly (that's the big bean > shaped object if you walk a little north > of the art institute). The MCA is probably worth a go to. There are often free > concerts outdoors at Millenium Park, > which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour right behind the bean. Most of all, > though: take a ride on the el, > especially if you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there, > surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite > thing! for the first four months I lived here I felt like i was on a non-stop > roller coaster ride (except without the > nausea). But make sure you get a window seat! Also Chicago's landscape is > fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange > (or, if you're adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, then > come back up and take the red line all > the way up north and then pop into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line stop > for some drinks and some jazz— > hoppin' til 4am!). > > And then... there's one of my favorite places in all of Chicago. It's a library > of artists books—books that artists made. > It's small and quiet and up on I think the 7th floor of an art institute > building. I don't think I have the exact address > and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do it (the way > I've done it in the past) is to go to the > library at the museum of the art institute and ask them there about it. I > believe it's on Wabash. They should know. > It's one of the most wonderous places in the world and its full of treasures. > But downtown Chicago is like that too. > The architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning (I think there's > some kind of boat tour you can do > that's supposed to be pretty good). > > And absolutely the best, most chicago, best most chicago restaurant (this is if > you really want to understand what is > amazing about Chicago!) take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just check out > this website and tell me it doesn't > sound amazing. http://www.hotdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago > style, it's probably not worth the cab fare > if you're a vegetarian. > > And then, my PERSONAL favorite place in Chicago (besides my apartment), if > you're going to be in town on a Saturday > or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and Press at 1511 Milwaukee and > Honore... pop in on a Sunday between 1 > and 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot. > > Can you tell I heart Chicago? > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers! > > Lily > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Bianchi" > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 > > > > > > Dillon > > > > drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you like?? > > > > R > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Dillon Westbrook > > > > > Dearest Listers, Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning > > > of next week, wondering from any residents thereof what's crucial > > > attendance. Never been in my natural life. Back or forward > > > channel. thanks, Dillon > > > > > > -- > Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:36:00 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christophe Casamassima Subject: Benjamin/Distraction vs Concentration Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 The below appears in section 15 of Benjamin's "Art in the Age of Mechanical= Reproduction". I'm having a hard time getting at this. any help? Christophe "The distracted person, too, can form habits. More, the ability to master c= ertain tasks in a state of distraction proves that their solution has becom= e a matter of habit. Distraction as provided by art presents a covert contr= ol of the extent to which new tasks have become soluble by apperception. Si= nce, moreover, individuals are tempted to avoid such tasks, art will tackle= the most difficult and most important ones where it is able to mobilize th= e masses. Today it does so in the film. Reception in a state of distraction= , which is increasing noticeably in all fields of art and is symptomatic of= profound changes in apperception, finds in the film its true means of exer= cise. The film with its shock effect meets this mode of reception halfway. = The film makes the cult value recede into the background not only by puttin= g the public in the position of the critic, but also by the fact that at th= e movies this position requires no attention. The public is an examiner, bu= t an absent-minded one." =3D sun protection Access to Answers, Info, Forums On sun protection & More. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=3D991f8eefd1aecb43417c1= 77bf9638d6c --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:37:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: susan maurer Subject: anna sianos photography show at the bowery poetry club MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable do catch anna sianos photgraphy show at the bowery poetry club. there is al= so a closing reading and reception at 10. on 9-26 and this is a fun lively = group. the second run of my RAPTOR RHAPSODY is now available (poets wear pr= ada) susan maurer _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo=AE 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It=92s ou= r way of saying thanks for using Windows Live=99. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=3DSeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:39:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Nicoll Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <257601c7fea6$a9d67960$4a06efd1@user45c726892d> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Jim, Warren, j, all Jim, thanks for the feedback. Perhaps I should've said that Storyspace offers a different kind of flexiblity than html. I read Warren's first post as an indirect statement of lack of familiarity/fluency with html, and by extension Javascript. Re: j's point: Storyspace readers can be distributed for free with hypertexts published in Storyspace, and though I haven't worked with any of the open-source note-taking/hypertext tools in the last year, there are still a number available. See for example, Within the hypertext research community, discussions and definitions of the field, the nature of links, and a number of other core topics are on-going. Ted Nelson, who coined the term "hypertext" has stated in no uncertain terms that the web is not hypertext. It is certainly a version, and quite obviously the most popular and most accessible one. My main point was that there other options, and reflects my lack of fluency with Dreamweaver, which in my experience presents some interesting learning curves, like all the other tools out there. Ted Nelson and his team are still working on xanadu, and from what I saw at Hypertext 2007 earlier this month, progress is being made on alternative visions. all bests, Hugh On 9/24/07, jcu wrote: > HI Waren, > > Storyspace is an interesting program to write in. > Butjust a reminder that the problem with storyspace > is that only other readers with storyspace software > can read your hypertext. Too bad there isn't a freeware > hypertext writing program out there that everyone can > use. > > j > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hugh Nicoll" > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:39 PM > Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations > > > > Warren, hi, > > > > First, good luck with your project. Jim Andrews has already suggested > > Dreamweaver, and not knowing much about the nature of your project or > > the deadline you're under, I am not sure if alternatives will prove > > helpful or not. > > > > That said, for composing hypertexts that you could then export to the > > web, take a look at Storyspace (Mac and Windows), or Tinderbox > > (currently Mac only) from Eastgate Systems. > > > > > > > > > > > > These tools may not meet your immediate needs, but could prove useful > > in the long run if you choose to explore authoring hypertexts with > > tools that can provide more flexibility than the web offers. Another > > option might be to write in or export to a wiki. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Hugh > > > > -- > > Hugh Nicoll > > JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator > > http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ > > hnicoll@gmail.com > > > -- Hugh Nicoll JALT, ld-sig co-coordinator http://hughnicoll.org/blog/ hnicoll@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:18:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jordan Stempleman Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <092420071354.15327.46F7C1900003368A00003BDF22007510900A0B0E0B9A0E9C@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable replace 5) w/ Fred Anderson's Velvet Lounge, and I'm with you 100% Ray. > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:54:24 +0000> From: saudade@COMCAST.NET> Subject= : Re: what's doin' in Chicago?> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > OK sinc= e we are giving recommendations for Chicago> > 1) Hot Dogs- Super Dawg on M= ilwaukee it is far away from Yuppie Land (where Hot Dougs is) and is pure C= hicago also Gene and Judes is very good. > 2) Music- Rosas Lounge in Humbol= dt Park> 3) Beefs- (Yes in Chicago they are beefs) Mr Beef on Orleans but o= nly for lunch> 4) Good Food- LULA on Logan Square by the monument > 5) Bar-= Green Mill full of slammers but why not??> 6) DELI- Manny's Deli is off of= Roosevelt it is one of the last parts of the Maxwell Street Area still tha= t exists. > 7) Bookstores- Go to Hyde Park and spend the afternoon at Semin= ary Coop > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: lily ro= bert-foley > > > ooh... can I come too? > > = > > what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly (that's the b= ig bean > > shaped object if you walk a little north > > of the art institu= te). The MCA is probably worth a go to. There are often free > > concerts o= utdoors at Millenium Park, > > which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour ri= ght behind the bean. Most of all, > > though: take a ride on the el, > > es= pecially if you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there, > = > surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite > > thing! for the first four mo= nths I lived here I felt like i was on a non-stop > > roller coaster ride (= except without the > > nausea). But make sure you get a window seat! Also C= hicago's landscape is > > fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange > > (or,= if you're adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, then= > > come back up and take the red line all > > the way up north and then p= op into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line stop > > for some drinks a= nd some jazz=97 > > hoppin' til 4am!). > > > > And then... there's one of m= y favorite places in all of Chicago. It's a library > > of artists books=97= books that artists made. > > It's small and quiet and up on I think the 7th= floor of an art institute > > building. I don't think I have the exact add= ress > > and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do it= (the way > > I've done it in the past) is to go to the > > library at the = museum of the art institute and ask them there about it. I > > believe it's= on Wabash. They should know. > > It's one of the most wonderous places in = the world and its full of treasures. > > But downtown Chicago is like that = too. > > The architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning (I= think there's > > some kind of boat tour you can do > > that's supposed to= be pretty good). > > > > And absolutely the best, most chicago, best most = chicago restaurant (this is if > > you really want to understand what is > = > amazing about Chicago!) take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just check o= ut > > this website and tell me it doesn't > > sound amazing. http://www.ho= tdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago > > style, it's probably not wor= th the cab fare > > if you're a vegetarian. > > > > And then, my PERSONAL f= avorite place in Chicago (besides my apartment), if > > you're going to be = in town on a Saturday > > or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and Pres= s at 1511 Milwaukee and > > Honore... pop in on a Sunday between 1 > > and = 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot. > > > > Can you = tell I heart Chicago? > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Cheers! > > > > Lily= > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Bianch= i" > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: what's doin' i= n Chicago? > > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 > > > > > > > > > Di= llon > > > > > > drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you like?= ? > > > > > > R > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- = > > > From: Dillon Westbrook > > > > > > > Dearest Listers, Have a day or t= wo to kill in Chicago beginning > > > > of next week, wondering from any re= sidents thereof what's crucial > > > > attendance. Never been in my natural= life. Back or forward > > > > channel. thanks, Dillon > > > > > > > > > > = > -- > > Powered By Outblaze=20 _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:19:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <8C9CCC8F98E4B66-1288-52A9@webmail-de11.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S. directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to know more about it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world¹s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran¹s request to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. ³We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.² ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza¹s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with isgust. -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- - Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:48:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jeffrey Side Subject: "Multiple Registers, Intertextuality and Boundaries of Intepretation in Veronica Forrest-Thompson" Comments: To: british-poets@jiscmail.ac.uk, wryting-l@listserv.wvu.edu I have an article on Veronica Forrest-Thompson at Shadow Train: "Multiple Registers, Intertextuality and Boundaries of Intepretation in Veronica Forrest-Thompson" http://shadowtrain.com/id201.html ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:54:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mary Kasimor Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <468017.20247.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I assumed that Geoffrey was playing with us!!! Well? Mary Thomas savage wrote: If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S. directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to know more about it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world¹s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran¹s request to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. ³We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.² ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza¹s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with isgust. -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- - Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:17:40 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy//the importance of the text, of reading, & of facts In-Reply-To: <8C9CC6D93A65DF6-5C8-3A3A@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Bobbie: Please stop confusing me with someone else. I did not send the Hannah Arendt text to this list, nor did I make any comm= ent on it. As Casey Stengel used to say, "You can look it up." You write that "I'm not so much into reading text as into context and subte= xt"--I think one addresses all three. If one is cavalier with texts and im= mediately jumps to their contexts and subtexts, via a "not so much" readi= ng, this often results in misrepresentations, misapprehensions, mis-informa= tion. This can in some cases become the smearing of others based on an igno= ring of the actual text at the privileging of a skim-reading which sees may= be two buzzwords and ignores the rest of the writing. I.E A text itself needs to be read deeply and in full as having within it c= ontext and subtext, as well as taking place within these. Again, if you will "look it up," the original message was sent on Yom Kippu= r, not the day after, as you allege. If you knew the text was from Hilton Obenzinger, why did you address all yo= ur assumptions and questions to me, as though I had written it? And now yo= u say I am making conclusions from a Hannah Arendt article which I didn't e= ven send or comment on. At the same time as misidentifying me with others' texts, you demanded I ex= plain my identity.=20 If a prayer doesn't belong here on this list, I am sure the Poetics Moderat= or would let me know. It's being here means that the Moderator accepted it= as being within the bounds of the Poetics List's conversation. After all, = all manner of topics relatively tangential to poetics are discussed, and a = Liturgy does not seem too far beyond the pale. I find it saddening and ironic that you grill me about my identity and at t= he same time misattribute texts and posts to me as well as conclusions whic= h I have never made here nor anywhere else nor ever would even entertain th= e remotest idea of. =20 And beyond that, I find it frightening, for you accuse me of something I th= ink is unthinkable, sickening, insane and horrific. That is, that the Jewish people are to blame for the Holocaust. How you ev= er arrived at this conclusion by your method of "not so much into reading = text as into context and subtext" I think shows the need to be much more at= tentive with all three--text, context, subtext. The appalling assertion o= f a "conclusion" you attribute to me is not only something that's never = occured to me, (it's completely factually false so why would one think it?)= , your assertion is based on a text not even sent by me, and is your own c= onclusion in judging that text. =20 You ask what place a post of a Liturgy has to do with poetics. Yet what ki= nd of poetics are you advocating by this example? A poetics which interrog= ates the sender of a post with a text not written by themselves, as though = they are the author, and attributing to the author and the sender a conclus= ion which is not found with either? And, upon that being refuted, attribut= ing a post and comment never sent by the person to them, and again drawing = a completely false accusation from this? I don't see how reading for "context" and "subtext" works very well when on= e does not pay attention to the text in the first case, and in the second c= ase, the fact that the text is not even from the person whose identity you = have been so demanding in having defined seems to render the entire issue n= ull.=20 It would seem that you have a floating context and subtext which you are ap= plying arbitrarily to texts which are not closely examined at all. "Conte= xt" and "subtext" in search of a text, an author to "frame" as it were, a "= suspect" who "fits the profile" as long as the actual evidence, the text, i= s almost completely ignored. The sender, who is not even the author of the = text, needs to be interrogated, while the text itself is not given any real= form of examination. =20 From a "poetics" view alone--setting aside the ethical and real-life potent= ial consequences--this method is very irresponsible, as it does not read = texts, but projects onto them pre-fabricated readings which imprison the te= xt, the writer, the non-writer supposedly the writer, in a series of cells = constructed of pre-framed "evidences." One is not reading, nor finding evi= dence, but simply interrogating the identity of the subject supposedly the = "author" whether or not they actually are, and then, without having read th= e text, but having "read" the author/non-author/sender of the text, reading= out the ultimatum of the pre-framing context and sub text to the condemned= .=20 In discussing texts, it is important to include the text (as idiotic as thi= s may sound, that, yes, to discuss a text one needs to include the text--) = as well as the context and subtext--otherwise, one begins to be discussing = an empty space which becomes framed from without by pre-judgements, prejudi= ces, imposed conclusions, all based on things not present in the text itsel= f, which, being nearly erased as it were, can be used as a palimpsest for = the Authoritatively inscribed projections of the one who sits in judgement= . In other words, the American Homeland Security methods of the "Justice" Sys= tem being transposed to poetics, if one carries it far enough.=20 And who wants this, in life and poetics? In my own work I use and think very much on this phrase by Paul Celan: "Po= etry no longer imposes itself, it exposes itself." A poetics which imposes conclusions, pre-fabricated contexts and subtexts, = demands proofs of identity, ignores facts--to me, in my way of thinking of = Celan's words, this is not poetry nor poetics. =20 It's the way Holocausts, genocides, dictatorships, ethnic cleansings, junta= s, repressive regimes and institutions of all sorts, often begin-- > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:56:02 -0400 > From: bobbilurie@AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > David, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank you for answering. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I know text was from Hilton Obenzinger just as I know your other text cam= e from a review of some work of Hannah Arendt. But because I=92m not so muc= h into reading text as into context and subtext, I needed clarification and= so I thank you for that. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Nonetheless, I have no idea what a prayer for Yom Kippur (the day after Y= om Kippur) has anything to do with this poetics list. And if this prayer be= longs to =93anyone=94 why is it so specific? >=20 > =20 >=20 > I know Obenzinger does not say the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews. Th= at conclusion came from your other conclusions from Hannah Arendt. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I agree with you re: the situation in our country. And I truly have compa= ssion for all people who have suffered due to the ignorance and cruelty of = their fellow man (doesn=92t that include all of us?). For this, I believe w= e must do much more than ask forgiveness. We must =93do=94 something. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I am very happy to read this prayer you sent is a call for an end to all = holocausts. I do pray this can be a reality. We certainly need it now. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank you for your communication. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I join you in a prayer for peace. >=20 > =20 >=20 > In Friendship, >=20 > Bobbi Lurie >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: David-Baptiste Chirot > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 2:24 pm > Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dear Bobbie: > I didn't write this, as you can see it is from Hilton Obenzinger. > y father's father was Jewish, but my father never knew him.=20 > y youngest son's grandfather was a refugee from the Holocaust. > y niece is Jewish and grew up and lives in Brooklyn. > I take full responsability for sending the letter because I think it is = prayer=20 > or compassion, for the heart to open to compassion, to ask for forgivenes= s for=20 > ne's wrongs, to not hold on to the darknesses of the past but to build t= he=20 > uture with light. > I think that what Dr. Obenzinger is saying about the piece being called=20 > folkloric" and written by "anonymous" is a sign that many people find the= =20 > essage of compassion a beautiful one that is also in their own hearts. = It is=20 > prayer that does not "belong" to any one specific person so to speak, b= ut to=20 > anyone". It is a message of peace.=20 >=20 > r. Obenzinger does not at all say the Holocaust is the fault of the Jews.= =20 > lease read his words more carefully.=20 > Here in Milwaukee is the nation's only Black Holocaust Museum, founded by= Dr.=20 > ames Cameron, the survivor of a mass lynching. Looking out my window, wa= lking=20 > he neighborhood, there's no need of Jena or Katrina to understand the con= cept=20 > f a Black Holocaust in America. It's effects are ongoing every minute. > Since my father had hardly any family I grew up identifying with my mothe= r's=20 > rench-Indian side of the family. When I was about five my Great-Aunt tol= d me=20 > he horror story of what happened to almost all the Indians in the family = =20 > oaded on trains and given infected blankets. My first wife is a Mohawk. L= ast=20 > eek I went to a rez with a friend. Again, a Holocaust that went into the= =20 > uilding of the USA, and one whose effects are ongoing every minute. > When I read Dr. Obenzinger's prayer, I feel it is for an end to Holocaust= s.=20 > n end to Holocausts against one's people and also those actions on this w= ay by=20 > ne's people against others. > n short, a prayer for Peace. >=20 > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:33:50 -0400 > From: bobbilurie@AOL.COM > Subject: Re: Yom Kippur Liturgy from Hilton Obenzinger---my response > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > =20 > SORRY GROUP--I HAD TO DELETE A LOT BECAUSE LIST ONLY ACCEPTS 800 WORDS--= IF YOU=20 > ANT FULL TEXT I'LL BACKCHANNEL AS AN ATTACHMENT > =20 > =20 > the day that Jews ask for forgiveness for sins and > =20 > transgressions.=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > DAVID, ARE YOU A JEW? AND, IF SO, DID YOU ASK FORGIVENESS FOR YOUR SINS= AND=20 > OUR TRANSGRESSIONS OVER THE PAST YEAR? AND IF YOU=92RE NOT A JEW: WHY ARE= YOU=20 > ALKING ABOUT YOM KIPPUR? I MEAN I GOT THE PART WHERE YOU GAVE US YOUR=20 > ONCLUSION THAT THE HOLOCAUST WAS THE FAULT OF THE JEWS ETC. AND ALL THE O= THER=20 > OSTS YOU SEND THOUGH EVEN THOUGH A MILLION HORRIFYING THINGS ARE HAPPENIN= G IN=20 > HIS WORLD IT SEEMS YOUR FOCUS IS STRICTLY ANTI-ISRAEL BUT THERE ARE THING= S TO=20 > RICIZE THERE, IT=92S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT IT=97BUT: WITH MY LAST BREATH I W= ILL NOT=20 > ET YOU GET AWAY WITH BLAMING THE JEWS ON THE HOLOCAUST=97NO WAY!!!!=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Years ago I wrote my own version of the > =20 > enumeration of shortcomings and sins=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > WHICH SINS? YOURS OR SOMEONE ELSE=92S?=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > A > =20 > magazine printed it,=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > WELL, IF A MAGAZINE PRINTED IT: IT MUST BE TRUE, RIGHT? (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > and I received a message from a professor =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > CONGRATULATIONS. NOW YOU CAN PUT THAT ON YOUR BIO. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > attributed to > =20 > that prolific author, Anonymous,=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > YES. ANONYMOUS IS VERY PROLIFIC. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > and he was going to present a paper > =20 > at a conference , I have updated it > =20 > slightly,=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > THAT=92S OUR PROBLEM. WE HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING WHICH PARTS YOU UPDATED.= (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > and I send it out again. May you all be inscribed in the > =20 > Book of Life. > =20 > =20 > =20 > WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING TO? DON=92T THROW THOSE WORDS OUT LIKE=20 > HAT!!!!!!!!! (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Yom Kippur Liturgy > =20 > =20 > =20 > Once we were strangers in someone else's house, > =20 > =20 > =20 > ALMOST ALWAYS. AND OUR SUITCASES STAY PACKED. THAT=92S ALWAYS BEEN RULE = #1=20 > bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > WAIT A SECOND. I=92M NO STRANGER IN MY OWN HEAD. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =96 forgive us. > =20 > =20 > =20 > FORGIVE WHO?=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Forgive the beatings, the burlap bags that suffocate =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > FORGIVE YASSER ARAFAT FOR CARING MORE ABOUT THE $$$$$$$$$$$ HE COULD SEN= D TO=20 > WITZERLAND AND YET STILL PRETEND TO LIVE WITHIN THE IMAGE OF =93POET AS=20 > EVOLUTIONARY=94 OR =93POET AS POLITICAL FIGURE=94 CAUSE WE KNOW NO POET W= ANTS TO=20 > RASH THAT ROMANTIC SELF-IMAGE HE=92S BEEN CULTIVATING JUST TO GET DOWN TO= THE=20 > ARD PART OF BUILDING ROADS, AND SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS--INSTEAD OF HELPING= HIS=20 > EOPLE. (ON THE OTHER HAND, NO, HE DOESN=92T GET ANY FORGIVENESS FOR THAT = ONE) > =20 > =20 > =20 > And forgive us the fig trees uprooted =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > YES. THIS TRULY IS A TRAGEDY. THIS MUST BE REMEDIED. ABSOLUTELY IT MUST.= =20 > bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > Once we were strangers in someone else's house, > =20 > =20 > =20 > NO ALWAYS. =93AND KEEP THAT SUITCASE PACKED=94 (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > Now we are strangers in our own heads=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > NOW THAT PART ISN=92T TRUE. DO YOU KNOW THE WRITER AMOS OZ? HIS FICTION = IS=20 > EAUTIFUL. BUT EVEN MORE, HE=92S PART OF =93PEACE NOW=94 A MOVEMENT IN ISR= AEL (I HOPE=20 > T STILL EXISTS=97BECAUSE WHEN ARAFAT WALKED AWAY FROM BEING OFFERED 98% O= F WHAT=20 > E WANTED HE JUST WALKED AWAY/ DIDN=92T EVEN TRY TO NEGOTIATE AND THEN,=20 > RAGICALLY, SHARON WALKED UP TO THE MOUNT. THAT WAS SUCH A TRAGEDY FOR SO = MANY) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Forgive ....=96 the flags=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > YES, REALLY. WHEN WILL WE DO AWAY WITH FLAGS? (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > and soldiers and Knessets =96 > =20 > =20 > =20 > PLEASE LEAVE THE SOLDIERS AND THE KNESSET OUT OF IT, PLEASE. THAT HAS NO= THING=20 > O DO WITH THE ABOVE. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > That makes us forget the voices of Prophets. > =20 > =20 > =20 > NO WAY THEIR VOICES ARE FORGOTTEN. WE JUST GOTTA FIND A WAY TO REMEDY TH= IS=20 > ORRIFYING SITUATION. BUT NO ONE=92S FORGOTTEN THE VOICES OF THE PROPHETS.= AT=20 > EAST NOT FROM WHERE I=92M SITTING. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Forgive us all the evils we have done while crying "Never Again." > =20 > =20 > =20 > NO. THAT=92S NOT RIGHT. AS FAR AS =93EVILS=94 OK THERE ARE A LOT OF CRAZ= Y FANATICS=20 > N ALL GROUPS BUT IT=92S BECAUSE WHEN ALMOST EVERY HOLIDAY YOU HAVE (NOT=20 > ELEBRATE) IS ABOUT SURVIVAL=85WELL, AND THE HOLOCAUST IS JUST TO HORRIFYI= NG TO=20 > VEN CATAGORIZE AMONG ALL THE MANY THINGS WHICH HAPPENED IN HISTORY=97SO = =93NEVER=20 > GAIN=94 IS DEFINITELY THE CRY AND THAT CRY WILL CONTINUED REGARDLESS OF A= LL THE=20 > OTCHED WORK OF POLITICIANS (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > We have planted, but we pray that no one reaps. > =20 > =20 > =20 > THAT=92S A TOTAL LIE. I CAN GIVE YOU A BILLION EXAMPLES OF WHY THAT IS A= TOTAL=20 > IE BUT JUST FOR NOW, PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS: JUST LOOK UP HOW MUCH MONEY= =20 > SRAEL GAVE TO AID VICTIMS IN DARFUR. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > We are ever strangers in someone else's house, > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > NO, WE=92RE NOT. WE HAVE A COUNTRY NOW. AND, YES, IT=92S A MESS. BUT NO = WAY WE ARE=20 > OING TO LET GO OF THAT HAVEN OF OURS. BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE O= N THIS=20 > ARTH LIKE YOU (WHO SOMEHOW GET OBSESSED WITH JEWS AND BLAMING JEWS) AND W= E NEED=20 > PLACE TO BE AT PEACE AWAY FROM THEM.(bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > But we can always be at home in our heads =96=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > AND ARE YOU AT HOME IN YOUR HEAD? BECAUSE IT ALWAYS COMES DOWN TO THE=20 > NDIVIDUAL. (bobbi) > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > BOBBI LURIE > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -= =20 > ttp://mail.aol.com > _________________________________________________________________ > apture your memories in an online journal! > ttp://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus=3D >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - h= ttp://mail.aol.com _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:26:03 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: eric unger Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Lincoln Park conservatory or the Garfield Park conservatory, both free and open to the public. The Garfield Conservatory is probably better, it has the "fern room", the largest indoor collection of ferns in the world, as well as an incredible cacti room. It happens to be in a horrible neighborhood, but all you have to do is take the Green line to Conservatory. The Lincoln Park Conservatory is right near the lake in a better, if not more yuppie, neighborhood. Plus it is right next to one of the few free zoos in the land, the Lincoln Park zoo. Some other great suggestions here, but I would try one of Chicago's garden conservatories first. Best, Eric On 9/24/07, Jordan Stempleman wrote: > replace 5) w/ Fred Anderson's Velvet Lounge, and I'm with you 100% Ray. > > > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:54:24 +0000> From: saudade@COMCAST.NET> Subje= ct: Re: what's doin' in Chicago?> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > OK si= nce we are giving recommendations for Chicago> > 1) Hot Dogs- Super Dawg on= Milwaukee it is far away from Yuppie Land (where Hot Dougs is) and is pure= Chicago also Gene and Judes is very good. > 2) Music- Rosas Lounge in Humb= oldt Park> 3) Beefs- (Yes in Chicago they are beefs) Mr Beef on Orleans but= only for lunch> 4) Good Food- LULA on Logan Square by the monument > 5) Ba= r- Green Mill full of slammers but why not??> 6) DELI- Manny's Deli is off = of Roosevelt it is one of the last parts of the Maxwell Street Area still t= hat exists. > 7) Bookstores- Go to Hyde Park and spend the afternoon at Sem= inary Coop > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: lily = robert-foley > > > ooh... can I come too? > = > > > what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly (that's the= big bean > > shaped object if you walk a little north > > of the art insti= tute). The MCA is probably worth a go to. There are often free > > concerts= outdoors at Millenium Park, > > which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour = right behind the bean. Most of all, > > though: take a ride on the el, > > = especially if you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there, = > > surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite > > thing! for the first four = months I lived here I felt like i was on a non-stop > > roller coaster ride= (except without the > > nausea). But make sure you get a window seat! Also= Chicago's landscape is > > fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange > > (o= r, if you're adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, th= en > > come back up and take the red line all > > the way up north and then= pop into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line stop > > for some drinks= and some jazz=97 > > hoppin' til 4am!). > > > > And then... there's one of= my favorite places in all of Chicago. It's a library > > of artists books= =97books that artists made. > > It's small and quiet and up on I think the = 7th floor of an art institute > > building. I don't think I have the exact = address > > and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do= it (the way > > I've done it in the past) is to go to the > > library at t= he museum of the art institute and ask them there about it. I > > believe i= t's on Wabash. They should know. > > It's one of the most wonderous places = in the world and its full of treasures. > > But downtown Chicago is like th= at too. > > The architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning= (I think there's > > some kind of boat tour you can do > > that's supposed= to be pretty good). > > > > And absolutely the best, most chicago, best mo= st chicago restaurant (this is if > > you really want to understand what is= > > amazing about Chicago!) take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just chec= k out > > this website and tell me it doesn't > > sound amazing. http://www= .hotdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago > > style, it's probably not = worth the cab fare > > if you're a vegetarian. > > > > And then, my PERSONA= L favorite place in Chicago (besides my apartment), if > > you're going to = be in town on a Saturday > > or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and P= ress at 1511 Milwaukee and > > Honore... pop in on a Sunday between 1 > > a= nd 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot. > > > > Can y= ou tell I heart Chicago? > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Cheers! > > > > L= ily > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Bia= nchi" > > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: what's doin= ' in Chicago? > > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 > > > > > > > > >= Dillon > > > > > > drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you li= ke?? > > > > > > R > > > > > > -------------- Original message ------------= -- > > > From: Dillon Westbrook > > > > > > > Dearest Listers, Have a day o= r two to kill in Chicago beginning > > > > of next week, wondering from any= residents thereof what's crucial > > > > attendance. Never been in my natu= ral life. Back or forward > > > > channel. thanks, Dillon > > > > > > > > >= > > -- > > Powered By Outblaze > _________________________________________________________________ > Capture your memories in an online journal! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:14:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jason Quackenbush Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <468017.20247.qm@web31103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent John= son in a keffiya? On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wro= ng. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he e= ver really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruct= ion, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it i= s developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad= someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which t= o express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the fi= rst time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former hea= d of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nic= aragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka = and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards= , Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not= put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directl= y from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the= U.S. directly. > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better= that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to= =C2=A0know more=C2=A0about it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Gatza > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnicall= y > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s most > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > erformed with international firebrands. > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night t= o > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We are > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > ook.=C2=B2 > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > isgust. > -------------------------- > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > :00 p.m., free > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > ----------------------- > - > Best, Geoffrey > Geoffrey Gatza > ditor & Publisher > ------------------------------------ > BlazeVOX [ books ] > ublisher of weird little books > ------------------------------------- > editor@blazevox.org > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - h= ttp://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:12:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Re: Walk Poems by Creeley and/or Ginsberg??? In-Reply-To: <290053.53391.qm@web82609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please excuse this 'generalized' and delayed response to all the various and kind responses to this Creeley-Ginsberg (and now Eigner) request for walking poems in the Stanford archives! I have been on the road for a bit - even, accompanied by Allen Bramhall, (a real multi-generational Yankee local), a delightful Indian summer walk around Walden Pond (a narrow, for good counter-erosion reasons, wire fenced trail) with joggers, baby strollers, just plain strollers, and Pond swimmers amongst afternoon trees, shadows, sun, and that still oddly juxtapositional still operative railroad track at the pond's upper edge. And Concord as the country's early Lit breadbasket, a delight to stroll within, as well. Thank you, all. Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ Stephen Vincent wrote:I am leading a "walking & writing" workshop this Fall at Stanford, using the campus as our 'site'. One of the places I want us to walk is into Special Collections, which has the Ginsberg and Creeley archives. It would be lovely to find - in advance - any poems by either poet that emerge out of a particular walk. And to have an original mss. available to see, explore. I will appreciate any suggestions of titles - poems and/or journal pieces. Thanks in advance, Stephen Vincent ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:46:51 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Pusateri Subject: Poetry in Boulder, Wednesday Sept. 26th Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 The Yellow Pine Reading Series presents Selah Saterstrom Clarissa Cuttrell Joe Richey Michelle Naka Pierce Chris Pusateri Wednesday, September 26th from 7:30-9pm at Wild Sage Community House 1650 Zamia Avenue Boulder, Colorado Ellen Orleans will MC Admission is free. For more info, please call 303-444-2691 _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx= ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:48:41 -0700 Reply-To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rachel Loden Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <420bb159aa15a5d8147a484233c10eba@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's unspeakable, George, as you might imagine. You have to soak the lutefisk in water for days in order to make it edible and whatever you = soak it in becomes unusable for any other purpose. Serve with a dollop of whipped cream. Yum! But have you heard of surstr=F6mming? This is fermented Baltic herring, = sold in cans which start to bulge like footballs as the fermentation process continues. You want to open the cans underwater in the bathtub, because = they might explode. And the smell, apparently... I haven't had the pleasure, but am told = that surstr=F6mming is usually served outdoors. George Bowering wrote: > Rachel didn't mention that you bury this lutefish in lye in a hole, > and dig it up much later. > What does the kitchen smell like, Rachel? >=20 >=20 > On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Rachel Loden wrote: >=20 > > Okay, a work of genius. I will admit that with some=20 > difficulty. But=20 > > I bet > > Blowering never spent Christmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating > > lutefisk. > > > > Lutefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it=20 > into a sort of > > gelatinous mass: > > > > > > So much depends > > upon > > > > a grey lye > > fish > > > > glazed with K-Y > > jelly > > > > beside the white > > in-laws. > > > > > > Maria wrote: > > > >> a work of genius! > >> > >> George Bowering wrote: > >>> So much depends upon > >>> a dead green herring > >>> beside the boiled eggs > >>> on a Swedish table. > >> > > > > > G. Bowering, DLitt. > I still haven't opened it. >=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:59:23 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Chirot/bobbie lurie/Yom Kippur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Israel has been at times an obsession of mine, although I claim no Jewish roots, none. Zionism seems problematic, to put it mildly. A recent book (the 2 author's names escape me, the book is entitled Why the Jews), makes the claim that anti-Zionism is no different then anti-Semitism. If this is true, that would mean the whole bloody issue is off limits to anyone other then Israelis or Palestinians. Seems a bit extreme. A book entitled Hannah Arendt's Jewish writings has recently been released. I'm going to pick it up. I can trust Hannah in a way that I can't trust the half truths of the above mentioned authors. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:46:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: & to further clarify/Chirot/Lurie/Yom Kippur MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I neglected to mention the names of the above said authors in my most recent post: Dennis Prager and Joseph Telushkin. --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:02:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tom, I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refused to say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he is denying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like every cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer to a question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that someone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was that "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He use= d a very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capita= l punishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to something like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of course here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but even it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. Ciao, Murat On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? > > And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent > Johnson in a keffiya? > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > > > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply > wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if= he > ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass > destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says > that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anywa= y, > I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum = in > which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must = be > the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the > former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I > took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views = (a > la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be > heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why > not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated > directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he giv= es > to the U.S. directly. > > > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's > better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really l= ike > toknow moreabout it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoffrey Gatza > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most > ethnically > > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most > > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > > erformed with international firebrands. > > > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. > > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him t= o > > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night > to > > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are > > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > > ook.=B2 > > > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him = a > > ook, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > > isgust. > > -------------------------- > > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > > :00 p.m., free > > > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas > Manson, > > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > > > ----------------------- > > - > > Best, Geoffrey > > Geoffrey Gatza > > ditor & Publisher > > ------------------------------------ > > BlazeVOX [ books ] > > ublisher of weird little books > > ------------------------------------- > > editor@blazevox.org > > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:17:29 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Komninos Zervos Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <257601c7fea6$a9d67960$4a06efd1@user45c726892d> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" there is a freeware available and that is html. in half a day you can learn the basics to coding hypertexts in html. how hard is it to write click here to go to next page that is the code for linking the document the code resides in to another document ie nextpage.html -- komninos zervos http://komninos.com.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:35:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <529518.90306.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler? ever see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we're s= o glad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your opinion," etc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews destroyed. Think of how he treats his own people, not to mention the Christians & Jews in Iran. On 9/24/07 12:54 PM, "Mary Kasimor" wrote: > I assumed that Geoffrey was playing with us!!! Well? > Mary >=20 > Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply w= rong. > But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever > really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction= , the > government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is devel= oping > nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in N= YC > outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express hims= elf. > Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard= of a > "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas re= ad > some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. An= yway, > whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9= /11), > everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage >=20 > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venez= uela > or something? >=20 > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directl= y > from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the= U.S. > directly. >=20 >=20 > Bobbi Lurie >=20 >=20 > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better= that > way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C2 know > more=C2 about it. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Gatza > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnicall= y > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s most > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. >=20 > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > erformed with international firebrands. >=20 > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night t= o > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We are > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > ook.=C2=B2=20 >=20 > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > isgust.=20 > -------------------------- > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ >=20 > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press >=20 > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC >=20 > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > :00 p.m., free >=20 > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz >=20 > ----------------------- > -=20 > Best, Geoffrey > Geoffrey Gatza > ditor & Publisher > ------------------------------------ > BlazeVOX [ books ] > ublisher of weird little books > ------------------------------------- > editor@blazevox.org > ttp://www.blazevox.org >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! G= ames. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:53:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dillon Westbrook Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <77e5e8e50709241026w173da86dxf8a1b18e034d3d0d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Once again, the List comes through so much better than google. Thanks =20= everyone for the rec's- very little chance of wasting my two days =20 there now, there should be a 'poets -as-local-tour-guides' service in every =20 major city, as poets seem to have the best dope on wherever they live. Dillon On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:26 AM, eric unger wrote: > The Lincoln Park conservatory or the Garfield Park conservatory, both > free and open to the public. The Garfield Conservatory is probably > better, it has the "fern room", the largest indoor collection of ferns > in the world, as well as an incredible cacti room. It happens to be in > a horrible neighborhood, but all you have to do is take the Green line > to Conservatory. The Lincoln Park Conservatory is right near the lake > in a better, if not more yuppie, neighborhood. Plus it is right next > to one of the few free zoos in the land, the Lincoln Park zoo. > > Some other great suggestions here, but I would try one of Chicago's > garden conservatories first. > > Best, > > Eric > > On 9/24/07, Jordan Stempleman wrote: >> replace 5) w/ Fred Anderson's Velvet Lounge, and I'm with you 100% =20= >> Ray. >> >>> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:54:24 +0000> From: saudade@COMCAST.NET> =20= >>> Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago?> To: =20 >>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU> > OK since we are giving =20 >>> recommendations for Chicago> > 1) Hot Dogs- Super Dawg on =20 >>> Milwaukee it is far away from Yuppie Land (where Hot Dougs is) =20 >>> and is pure Chicago also Gene and Judes is very good. > 2) Music- =20= >>> Rosas Lounge in Humboldt Park> 3) Beefs- (Yes in Chicago they are =20= >>> beefs) Mr Beef on Orleans but only for lunch> 4) Good Food- LULA =20 >>> on Logan Square by the monument > 5) Bar- Green Mill full of =20 >>> slammers but why not??> 6) DELI- Manny's Deli is off of Roosevelt =20= >>> it is one of the last parts of the Maxwell Street Area still that =20= >>> exists. > 7) Bookstores- Go to Hyde Park and spend the afternoon =20 >>> at Seminary Coop > > -------------- Original message =20 >>> -------------- > From: lily robert-foley =20 >>> > > > ooh... can I come too? > > > =20= >>> > what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly =20 >>> (that's the big bean > > shaped object if you walk a little north =20= >>> > > of the art institute). The MCA is probably worth a go to. =20 >>> There are often free > > concerts outdoors at Millenium Park, > > =20= >>> which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour right behind the bean. =20 >>> Most of all, > > though: take a ride on the el, > > especially if =20= >>> you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there, > > =20 >>> surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite > > thing! for the first =20= >>> four months I lived here I felt like i was on a non-stop > > =20 >>> roller coaster ride (except without the > > nausea). But make =20 >>> sure you get a window seat! Also Chicago's landscape is > > =20 >>> fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange > > (or, if you're =20 >>> adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, then =20 >>> > > come back up and take the red line all > > the way up north =20 >>> and then pop into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line stop > =20= >>> > for some drinks and some jazz=97 > > hoppin' til 4am!). > > > > =20= >>> And then... there's one of my favorite places in all of Chicago. =20 >>> It's a library > > of artists books=97books that artists made. > > =20= >>> It's small and quiet and up on I think the 7th floor of an art =20 >>> institute > > building. I don't think I have the exact address > =20 >>> > and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do =20= >>> it (the way > > I've done it in the past) is to go to the > > =20 >>> library at the museum of the art institute and ask them there =20 >>> about it. I > > believe it's on Wabash. They should know. > > =20 >>> It's one of the most wonderous places in the world and its full =20 >>> of treasures. > > But downtown Chicago is like that too. > > The =20 >>> architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning (I =20 >>> think there's > > some kind of boat tour you can do > > that's =20 >>> supposed to be pretty good). > > > > And absolutely the best, =20 >>> most chicago, best most chicago restaurant (this is if > > you =20 >>> really want to understand what is > > amazing about Chicago!) =20 >>> take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just check out > > this =20 >>> website and tell me it doesn't > > sound amazing. http://=20 >>> www.hotdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago > > style, it's =20 >>> probably not worth the cab fare > > if you're a vegetarian. > > > =20= >>> > And then, my PERSONAL favorite place in Chicago (besides my =20 >>> apartment), if > > you're going to be in town on a Saturday > > =20 >>> or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and Press at 1511 =20 >>> Milwaukee and > > Honore... pop in on a Sunday between 1 > > and =20 >>> 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot. > > > =20 >>> > Can you tell I heart Chicago? > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > =20 >>> Cheers! > > > > Lily > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message =20 >>> ----- > > > From: "Raymond Bianchi" > > > To: =20 >>> POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > > Subject: Re: what's doin' in =20 >>> Chicago? > > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 > > > > > > =20 >>> > > > Dillon > > > > > > drop me a line we can do beer with poets =20= >>> here if you like?? > > > > > > R > > > > > > -------------- =20 >>> Original message -------------- > > > From: Dillon Westbrook > > =20 >>> > > > > > Dearest Listers, Have a day or two to kill in Chicago =20 >>> beginning > > > > of next week, wondering from any residents =20 >>> thereof what's crucial > > > > attendance. Never been in my =20 >>> natural life. Back or forward > > > > channel. thanks, Dillon > > =20= >>> > > > > > > > > > -- > > Powered By Outblaze >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Capture your memories in an online journal! >> http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:59:12 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: George Albon contact info? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Can anyone back-channel an email address for George Albon? George, are you on this list?! Thanks, Michael Cross ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:00:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Michael Cross Subject: Hugh Kenner estate? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone know who to be in touch with about Kenner's estate? Thanks, Michael ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:58:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Xenakis at Target and the True Artist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Xenakis at Target The True Artist finds Inspiration everywhere. Here I was, in the popular Target "Department Store" searching for inexpensive miniDV tapes, when I noticed the speaker system began acting up in a most unusual way, as if it were consciously imitating the famed composer Xenakis. What to do, what to do! I quickly took out my surround-sound Zoom H2 solid-state audio recor- der, and began recording the remarkable Sound, as I paced from speaker to speaker, passing shoppers who paid little attention to the Beauty in their midst. Now my only hope is one of them, perhaps someone purchasing toys or kitchenware, will come across these files, and realize, with a sense of Loss and Ecstasy, what they had missed, and what has been returned. Ah, how little Memory is necessary when the hard molecular structure of the World gives us the Gift of the Past, space-time at our fingertips, silent Beauty sounding once again. http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakis.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakisb.mp3 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:46:33 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <529518.90306.qm@web51811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think that's a good assumption! Best, Amy Mary Kasimor wrote: I assumed that Geoffrey was playing with us!!! Well? Mary --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:23:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: jcu Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit storyspace is a little more complex. you can link words to other words, for example, within the same page and view the hypertext story like a visual map to see how the links establish a particular rhizomic structure. html is limited is this regard. j ----- Original Message ----- From: "Komninos Zervos" To: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations > there is a freeware available and that is html. > in half a day you can learn the basics to coding hypertexts in html. > how hard is it to write click here to go to next > page > that is the code for linking the document the code resides in to another > document ie nextpage.html > -- > komninos zervos > http://komninos.com.au > ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:07:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709241602x79278906u5244e9d3946874c0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable thanks for your comments, Murat. On 9/24/07 7:02 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > Tom, >=20 > I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refus= ed > to say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he = is > denying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks lik= e > every cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer = to > a question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad th= at > someone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was > that "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He u= sed > a very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capi= tal > punishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to > something like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. O= f > course here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but > even it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." >=20 > In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. >=20 > Ciao, >=20 > Murat >=20 > On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: >>=20 >> What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? >>=20 >> And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent >> Johnson in a keffiya? >>=20 >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: >>=20 >>> If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply >> wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows i= f he >> ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass >> destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it say= s >> that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyw= ay, >> I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum= in >> which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must= be >> the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the >> former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip = I >> took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views= (a >> la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be >> heard. Regards, Tom Savage >>>=20 >>> Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why >> not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? >>>=20 >>> and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated >> directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gi= ves >> to the U.S. directly. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Bobbi Lurie >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's >> better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really = like >> toknow moreabout it. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geoffrey Gatza >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm >>> Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most >> ethnically >>> iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious >>> osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most >>> ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. >>>=20 >>> he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best >>> nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a >>> yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long >>> erformed with international firebrands. >>>=20 >>> ast week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. >>> hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him t= o >>> articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night >> to >>> sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are >>> hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX >>> ook.=B2 >>>=20 >>> ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him = a >>> ook, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with >>> isgust. >>> -------------------------- >>> ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ >>>=20 >>> eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press >>>=20 >>> CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. >>> bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC >>>=20 >>> ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books >>> :00 p.m., free >>>=20 >>> eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas >> Manson, >>> yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz >>>=20 >>> ----------------------- >>> - >>> Best, Geoffrey >>> Geoffrey Gatza >>> ditor & Publisher >>> ------------------------------------ >>> BlazeVOX [ books ] >>> ublisher of weird little books >>> ------------------------------------- >>> editor@blazevox.org >>> ttp://www.blazevox.org >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________________________________= _ >>> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --------------------------------- >>> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. >>> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >>>=20 >>=20 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:58:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: SUBMISSIONS: Select Media Festival 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Select Media Festival 6 November 9 to November 17, 2007 on space colonies orbiting Chicago CALL FOR PROJECTS, WORKSHOPS, VIDEOS AND ART ACTION Deadline for project proposals: OCT 5, 2007 contact: ed@lumpen.com see last year's fest at http://www.selectmediafestival.org SMF6: Space>Place> We are seeking terrestrial-bodied people that make documentaries, short films, animations, interactive projects, workshops, music, skillshares, cultural interventions, visual art, sci-fi presentations and media to share and present to aliens and earthlings orbiting in an around Chicago. Select Media Festival features video programs, brand new media, installations, performance programs, street art, public projects as well as experimental and advanced music. Our goal is to share innovative art and technology projects as well as culturally and socially charged work. The festival is produced by Public Media Institute and Lumpen. It is organized by artists and activists from Chicago. It is the sister festival to Version. This years festivals components include: - The Mothership; we will building a spaceship and welcome your additions and ideas to create installations within and around the spacecraft. -Performance Program: Live music and performance. -The Film/Video Program: Docs, shorts, animation. kick ass work. -TLVSN: we will be airing and creating cable tv episodes during the festival. You can send us your tv programs and short videos to air on cable access during the festival. SMF will also tape all performances during the festival to air on tv on a future date. -The Other net and The Brand New Media: Are you making technology and art projects? We are seeking sweet netbased and technology driven projects. Space is the Place... please join us. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:21:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Amish Trivedi Subject: Re: Hugh Kenner estate? In-Reply-To: <1190682024.46f85da8ea903@mail3.buffalo.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No, but I'm pretty sure his wife is still in Athens, GA. We kept meaning to go see him and then the day we decided to go, we found out he had died. Good luck though! Amish Michael Cross wrote: Does anyone know who to be in touch with about Kenner's estate? Thanks, Michael "Christopher Columbus, as everyone knows, is honored by posterity because he was the last to discover America." -James Joyce ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:30:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Small Press Traffic Subject: This week at Small Press Traffic MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Small Press Traffic is thrilled to present: The California College of the Arts Centennial Reading & Celebration Friday, September 28, 2007 Timken Lecture Hall =95 7:30 p.m. CCA's 100! Don't miss the party. MFA Program in Writing alumni and faculty poets read as part of CCA's Centennial Celebration. Come hear alumni Solidad Decosta, Steffi Drewes, Andy Nicholson, and Jessica Wickens as well as faculty Gloria Frym, Kevin Killian, Joseph Lease, Denise Newman, and Lisa Robertson read from their work. Refreshments will be served. Unless otherwise noted, events are $5-10, sliding scale, free to current SP= T members and CCA faculty, staff, and students. There's no better time to join SPT. Check out: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/supporters.htm Unless otherwise noted, our events are presented in Timken Lecture Hall California College of the Arts 1111 Eighth Street, San Francisco (just off = the intersection of 16th & Wisconsin) Directions & map: http://www.sptraffic.org/html/directions.htm We'll see you Fridays! _______________________________ Dana Teen Lomax, Interim Director Small Press Traffic Literary Arts Center at CCA 1111 -- 8th Street San Francisco, CA 94107 415.551.9278 http://www.sptraffic.org ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:37:48 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In Oct and for the next couple months-- The Day of the Dead Exhibit at Nat'l Museum of Mexican art--Pilsen, also the murals around Pilsen 2. Viet Nam Veterans Art Museum 3 Blues Heaven Foundation in the old Chess Record building Chicago folks, if you haven't been to these places, check them out. they're all google-able. Charlie ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? From: "Raymond Bianchi" Date: Mon, September 24, 2007 8:54 am To: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- OK since we are giving recommendations for Chicago 1) Hot Dogs- Super Dawg on Milwaukee it is far away from Yuppie Land (where Hot Dougs is) and is pure Chicago also Gene and Judes is very good. 2) Music- Rosas Lounge in Humboldt Park 3) Beefs- (Yes in Chicago they are beefs) Mr Beef on Orleans but only for lunch 4) Good Food- LULA on Logan Square by the monument 5) Bar- Green Mill full of slammers but why not?? 6) DELI- Manny's Deli is off of Roosevelt it is one of the last parts of the Maxwell Street Area still that exists. 7) Bookstores- Go to Hyde Park and spend the afternoon at Seminary Coop -------------- Original message -------------- From: lily robert-foley > ooh... can I come too? > > what to do in Chicago: art institute, yes, bean assuredly (that's the big bean > shaped object if you walk a little north > of the art institute). The MCA is probably worth a go to. There are often free > concerts outdoors at Millenium Park, > which is that giant Frank Ghery pompadour right behind the bean. Most of all, > though: take a ride on the el, > especially if you haven't really been here before. Riding around up there, > surveying the rooftops, it's my favorite > thing! for the first four months I lived here I felt like i was on a non-stop > roller coaster ride (except without the > nausea). But make sure you get a window seat! Also Chicago's landscape is > fascinatingly diverse. Get on the orange > (or, if you're adventurous, the green) line and go all the way down south, then > come back up and take the red line all > the way up north and then pop into the Green Mill off the Lawrence Red line stop > for some drinks and some jazz— > hoppin' til 4am!). > > And then... there's one of my favorite places in all of Chicago. It's a library > of artists books—books that artists made. > It's small and quiet and up on I think the 7th floor of an art institute > building. I don't think I have the exact address > and finding it online might prove difficult. The best way to do it (the way > I've done it in the past) is to go to the > library at the museum of the art institute and ask them there about it. I > believe it's on Wabash. They should know. > It's one of the most wonderous places in the world and its full of treasures. > But downtown Chicago is like that too. > The architecture along the Chicago river is absolutely stunning (I think there's > some kind of boat tour you can do > that's supposed to be pretty good). > > And absolutely the best, most chicago, best most chicago restaurant (this is if > you really want to understand what is > amazing about Chicago!) take a cab up to Hot Doug's. I mean, just check out > this website and tell me it doesn't > sound amazing. http://www.hotdougs.com. It is. And in the true Chicago > style, it's probably not worth the cab fare > if you're a vegetarian. > > And then, my PERSONAL favorite place in Chicago (besides my apartment), if > you're going to be in town on a Saturday > or a Sunday is The Green Lantern Gallery and Press at 1511 Milwaukee and > Honore... pop in on a Sunday between 1 > and 6 and I'll give you the tour. But, you know. That's a lot. > > Can you tell I heart Chicago? > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers! > > Lily > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Bianchi" > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? > > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:42:02 +0000 > > > > > > Dillon > > > > drop me a line we can do beer with poets here if you like?? > > > > R > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: Dillon Westbrook > > > > > Dearest Listers, Have a day or two to kill in Chicago beginning > > > of next week, wondering from any residents thereof what's crucial > > > attendance. Never been in my natural life. Back or forward > > > channel. thanks, Dillon > > > > > > -- > Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:26:49 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > there is a freeware available and that is html. > in half a day you can learn the basics to coding hypertexts in html. > how hard is it to write click here to go to > next page > that is the code for linking the document the code resides in to > another document ie nextpage.html > -- > komninos zervos true. also, it's interesting to learn something about the architecture of the html document. the . the . the tags. the simple 'tag' model where 'tags' start and then end. the head begins with and ends with . the way any tag is like that. bolded text starts with and ends with , etc. mark-up language. it gives you a different view on the document. in english classes, one learns about a different type of architecture of the document. the sentence, the paragraph, the chapter, the quatrain, the architectures of argument, rhetoric, drama, poetry. whereas to learn html is to learn the architecture of the document that allows computers and programs to operate on the document. parse it. mark it up appropriately. display it properly. but also do other things to different parts of it. and these different architectures are not without some common purposes. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:54:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Re: Xenakis at Target and the True Artist MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I can certainly imagine Xenakis' ghost infiltrating the corporate supercenters of the world. This one reminds me of his early "crackling lumps of coal" piece. Beautiful stuff--and courageous of you to wander the hellish halls of T. --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:18:47 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ruth, Thank you. Yes, Ruth, not only that but the Iranian people themselves don't want this m= aniac ruling their lives. Letting him speak=C2=A0at Columbia gives the Irani= an people a very sad picture of America: they want America to help them and=20= America is just giving this guy the go ahead/ giving him more and more credi= bility with their gullibility. And yes, he wants all the Jews destroyed, and= yes he wants Israel blown off the map (I'm not saying it/=C2=A0HE is PLEASE= =C2=A0LISTEN=C2=A0TO=C2=A0WHAT THIS MANIAC IS SAYING (it's not so hard to do= / he's saying it every day) and then, for those who don't care about Israel,= well=C2=A0guess who's next: America. And anyone who knows me knows I'm no p= olitical fantatic and I'm no alarmist and I'm not on the right or any of the= rationalizations you might want to put on me but I'm listening to this guy=20= and I hear him and I think we owe it to ourselves and to the entire world to= listen to him and realize he is as serious as Hitler was when he outlined H= IS plan just as clearly, (both of these=C2=A0horrific creatures=C2=A0have be= en very clear of their goals)=C2=A0with just as many people not listening to= him. First of all, we owe it to the Iranian people to show them we stand fo= r something other than "scoops" or whatever the media sees themselves doing=20= by bringing us "all the news that's fit to cover"--too bad they leave so muc= h out. And if anyone wants to believe his sweet talk, and won't listen to wh= at he's actually saying (and I'll repeat it again: listen to his daily speec= hes translated directly from Farsi) then I'd say we are back in the days of=20= Hitler's rise. And I am not, in any way, being dramatic. He's pulling women=20= off the street for not covering up enough/ he's tearing academics from their= positions, he's calling himself the messiah for godsakes--don't you hear wh= at he's saying? It's scary for me that people aren't listening to what he's=20= saying. Please see below and listen to Ruth: she knows what she's talking ab= out. Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Lepson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler? ver see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we're so lad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your opinion," tc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews destroyed. hink of how he treats his own people, not to mention the Christians & Jews n Iran. n 9/24/07 12:54 PM, "Mary Kasimor" wrote: > I assumed that Geoffrey was playing with us!!! Well? Mary =20 Thomas savage wrote: If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wro= ng. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction,=20= the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is develop= ing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himsel= f. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard o= f a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyw= ay, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/1= 1), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage =20 Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezue= la or something? =20 and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U= .S. directly. =20 =20 Bobbi Lurie =20 =20 p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better t= hat way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C3=82 k= now more=C3=82 about it. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 =20 =20 =20 =20 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C3=82=C2=B9s mo= st ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. =20 he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. =20 ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C3=82=C2=B9s request to allow Mr= . hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C3=82=C2=B3We=20= are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.=C3=82=C2=B2=20 =20 ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza=C3=82=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said w= ith isgust.=20 -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ =20 eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press =20 CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC =20 ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free =20 eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz =20 ----------------------- -=20 Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org =20 =20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. =20 =20 =20 --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Gam= es. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:21:24 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709241602x79278906u5244e9d3946874c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Murat, Creepy is the word. Thank you for what you write. Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Murat Nemet-Nejat To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 Tom, I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refused o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he is enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer to question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He used very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capital unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. Ciao, Murat On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent Johnson in a keffiya? On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if h= e ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S. directly. > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really lik= e toknow moreabout it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Gatza > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s most > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > erformed with international firebrands. > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We are > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > ook.=C2=B2 > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > isgust. > -------------------------- > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > :00 p.m., free > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > ----------------------- > - > Best, Geoffrey > Geoffrey Gatza > ditor & Publisher > ------------------------------------ > BlazeVOX [ books ] > ublisher of weird little books > ------------------------------------- > editor@blazevox.org > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:11:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Justin Katko Subject: Providence Reading Oct 2: Yt Communication MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dearest List Poetics: I bring you news of coming events. When I refer now to Yt Communication, I refer to three London poets: Sean Bonney, Frances Kruk, Sophie Robinson. They're actually not just from London they're from Hackney and they're not just from Hackney, they're from Armed Hackney, and they're not just from Armed Hackney, they're from the Payback & Affinity Yt Crackers Wing Commando Lineament Bee of Armed Hackney, which has to do with making known that their poetry will make your already-glowing SHIT Actually Flicker 2-Dimensionally. SO. These "poets", being my friends and allies in a world of Finite Love, these Poets being the generative pattern emanating from the ground beneath all the best stuff thereby making them a primary node in the international lattice-aura homotrope, these POETS will be reading poems loudly and showing films and making sounds with machines and distributing small small press books and essentially handing out receipts to the recognized. If you're there and you understand then you'll understand. This is all happening one week from now, 8pm Tuesday October 2nd at Firehouse 13 (41 Central St, off Broad), being the 2nd event in the media poetry series called The Program. Repeat. * Sean Bonney * Frances Kruk * Sophie Robinson * Joshua Strauss * 8pm Tuesday October 2nd * @ Firehouse 13, Providence - Directions * Doors @ 7, live music by The Gentleman, and all of it featuring the discrete physician Joshua Strauss (Buffalo). Snacks too and a cash bar. little donation at door. please see me there. i'll be pleased to see you. and do pass this on. website: http://plantarchy.us/the-program/ Also do note that these poets are touring the States en route from Buffalo, so check them out at Rust Belt on Thurs Sept 27th @ 7pm (with Ric Royer) and then the next day at the Adam Mickiewicz Library on Fri Sept 28 @ 8pm. Then follow their 1-Dimensional stroboscope to Providence and lace out with us. FINITE LOVE ~ Justin Katko Critical Documents http://plantarchy.us ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:19:02 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jim, Once again, everything you explain has a beautiful clarity. Ciao, Murat On 9/25/07, Jim Andrews wrote: > > > there is a freeware available and that is html. > > in half a day you can learn the basics to coding hypertexts in html. > > how hard is it to write click here to go to > > next page > > that is the code for linking the document the code resides in to > > another document ie nextpage.html > > -- > > komninos zervos > > true. also, it's interesting to learn something about the architecture of > the html document. the . the . the tags. the simple > 'tag' > model where 'tags' start and then end. the head begins with and > ends > with . the way any tag is like that. bolded text starts with > and > ends with , etc. mark-up language. > > it gives you a different view on the document. in english classes, one > learns about a different type of architecture of the document. the > sentence, > the paragraph, the chapter, the quatrain, the architectures of argument, > rhetoric, drama, poetry. whereas to learn html is to learn the > architecture > of the document that allows computers and programs to operate on the > document. parse it. mark it up appropriately. display it properly. but > also > do other things to different parts of it. > > and these different architectures are not without some common purposes. > > ja > http://vispo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 07:13:55 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: David Trinidad & Jeffery Conway reading / Columbia College Chicago / October 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit POETRY READING David Trinidad & Jeffery Conway Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:30 p.m. Columbia College Chicago Music Center Concert Hall 1014 South Michigan Avenue Free & open to the public Sponsored by the English Department of Columbia College Chicago For more information: 312.344.8819 DAVID TRINIDAD is a member of the Core Poetry Faculty at Columbia College. His most recent book, THE LATE SHOW, was published by Turtle Point Press in 2007. With Denise Duhamel and Maureen Seaton, he edited SAINTS OF HYSTERIA: A HALF-CENTURY OF COLLABORATIVE AMERICAN POETRY (Soft Skull Press, 2007). With Jeffery Conway and Lynn Crosbie, he co-wrote PHOEBE 2002: AN ESSAY IN VERSE (Turtle Point, 2003), a mock-epic based on the 1950 film ALL ABOUT EVE. His other books include ANSWER SONG (High Risk Books, 1994), HAND OVER HEART: POEMS 1981-1988 (Amethyst Press, 1991), PAVANE (Sherwood Press, 1981), and PLASTICVILLE (Turtle Point, 2000), a finalist for the Lenore Marshall Poetry Prize of the Academy of American Poets. He edited POWERLESS (High Risk, 1996), the selected poems of Tim Dlugos, and with Maxine Scates, HOLDING OUR OWN: THE SELECTED POEMS OF ANN STANFORD (Copper Canyon Press, 2001). Jeffery Conway’s poems have appeared in many magazines and journals, such as THE WORLD, THE PORTABLE LOWER EAST SIDE, B CITY, BROOKLYN REVIEW, THE JAMES WHITE REVIEW, PAINTED BRIDE QUARTERLY, MiPo, COURT GREEN, and THE LITERARY REVIEW. His work can also be found in many anthologies, such as THE BRINK: POSTMODERN POETRY FROM 1965 TO THE PRESENT; BEND, DON'T SHATTER: POETS ON THE BEGINNING OF DESIRE; and SAINTS OF HYSTERIA: A HALF-CENTURY OF COLLABORATIVE AMERICAN POETRY. His books include BLOOD POISONING (Cold Calm Press, 1995); PLUSH: SELECTED POEMS OF SKY GILBERT, COURTNEY McFARLANE, JEFFERY CONWAY, R.M. VAUGHN, and DAVID TRINIDAD (Coach House Press, 1995); and two collaborations with Lynn Crosbie and David Trinidad, CHAIN CHAIN CHAIN (Ignition Press, 2000) and PHOEBE 2002: AN ESSAY IN VERSE (Turtle Point Press, 2003). His most recent collection, THE ALBUM THAT CHANGED MY LIFE (Cold Calm Press, 2006), was a finalist for the 2007 Lambda Literary Award. He lives in New York City. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:10:21 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: wait a minute In-Reply-To: <8C9CD5B73146988-17D0-508E@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE dear poetics folks, i'm sorry, i've got to wade in here. there are many maniacs ruling countries in this world. we _have_ to question quite cynically why our own maniacs (whom i now consider extremely evil-- definitely horrific creatures, and they are our problem, not some other peoples') are interested in attacking some of them but not others. why is the u.s. spending billions to support israel and more billions to wipe out iraq, a country that threatened neither israel nor the u.s.? why was israel "founded" in the first place? was it really because the u.s. and england love the jewish people so much? (both countries rejected the idea of allowing jewish refugees to immigrate after WWII.) or was it another cynical move to make sure the u.s. and england have a foot to control stability/instability in teh middle east, home of oil fields that supply both east and west and of a christian crusade that has gone on for 1000 years? surely it's clear that christians have a much worse record than moslems when it comes to slaughtering jews. what does this new cosying up mean? i don't trust it at all. ahmadinejad may be a lunatic too, though in an interview by 60 minutes, (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/60minutes/main3286690.shtml?) he sounds more like a man very carefully aware that his country could well be the target of the next u.s. shock and awe. it is not our job to go around making sure that leaders of other countries are treating their people right. right now the burmese are up in arms against their gov't. the iranians have overthrown their leaders many times before. it is a very ancient civilization. we had better look to our own mess. the extremely difficult and painful situation begun by outside empires fiddling with the status quo in different parts of the world (pakistan/india, north and south ireland, hawaii, israel and the arab countries surrounding it, africa as a whole) requires us to step back a bit from immediate gut reactions and look at the bigger picture. the leaders of countries are not the ones suffering. it is always the people. and it will be us too, more and more, if the craziness that is our lot now in the u.s. goes on. all best, gabe On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > Ruth, Thank you. Yes, Ruth, not only that but the Iranian people > themselves don't want this maniac ruling their lives. Letting him > speak=C2=A0at Columbia gives the Iranian people a very sad picture of > America: they want America to help them and America is just giving this > guy the go ahead/ giving him more and more credibility with their > gullibility. And yes, he wants all the Jews destroyed, and yes he wants > Israel blown off the map (I'm not saying it/=C2=A0HE is > PLEASE=C2=A0LISTEN=C2=A0TO=C2=A0WHAT THIS MANIAC IS SAYING (it's not so h= ard to do/ > he's saying it every day) and then, for those who don't care about > Israel, well=C2=A0guess who's next: America. And anyone who knows me know= s > I'm no political fantatic and I'm no alarmist and I'm not on the right > or any of the rationalizations you might want to put on me but I'm > listening to this guy and I hear him and I think we owe it to ourselves > and to the entire world to listen to him and realize he is as serious as > Hitler was when he outlined HIS plan just as clearly, (both of > these=C2=A0horrific creatures=C2=A0have been very clear of their goals)= =C2=A0with > just as many people not listening to him. First of all, we owe it to the > Iranian people to show them we stand for something other than "scoops" > or whatever the media sees themselves doing by bringing us "all the news > that's fit to cover"--too bad they leave so much out. And if anyone > wants to believe his sweet talk, and won't listen to what he's actually > saying (and I'll repeat it again: listen to his daily speeches > translated directly from Farsi) then I'd say we are back in the days of > Hitler's rise. And I am not, in any way, being dramatic. He's pulling > women off the street for not covering up enough/ he's tearing academics > from their positions, he's calling himself the messiah for > godsakes--don't you hear what he's saying? It's scary for me that people > aren't listening to what he's saying. Please see below and listen to > Ruth: she knows what she's talking about. Bobbi Lurie > -----Original Message----- > From: Ruth Lepson > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:35 pm > > not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler? > ver see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we're > so glad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your > opinion," tc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews > destroyed. think of how he treats his own people, not to mention the > Christians & Jews n Iran. > > Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply = wrong. > But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he eve= r > really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destructio= n, the > government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is deve= loping > nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in = NYC > outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express him= self. > Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've hear= d of a > "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas r= ead > some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. A= nyway, > whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about = 9/11), > everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Vene= zuela > or something? > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated direct= ly > from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to th= e U.S. > directly. > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's bette= r that > way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C3= =82 know > more=C3=82 about it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Gatza > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnical= ly > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C3=82=C2=B9s= most > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > erformed with international firebrands. > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C3=82=C2=B9s request to allow= Mr. > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night = to > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C3=82=C2=B3= We are > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > ook.=C3=82=C2=B2 > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > ook, Gatza=C3=82=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he sai= d with > isgust. > -------------------------- > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > :00 p.m., free > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson= , > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > ----------------------- > - > Best, Geoffrey > Geoffrey Gatza > ditor & Publisher > ------------------------------------ > BlazeVOX [ books ] > ublisher of weird little books > ------------------------------------- > editor@blazevox.org > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! = Games. > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - h= ttp://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:48:58 +0000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: reJennifer Bartlett Subject: PEACE MARCH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 There is a peace march in DC this Saturday Sept. 29th Be there! _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:53:57 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <8C9CD5BD0978FE7-17D0-5097@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose Show and while he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeatedly that Iran and he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. When asked about the purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that it was for peaceful purposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this latter point, there seemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I've just been conned by him. There is no way of knowing any of the truth of this matter without going to Iran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I can usually tell when our politicians are lying, which is most of the time. If he is more cunning than he appeared, I had no way of telling that. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, Creepy is the word. Thank you for what you write. Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Murat Nemet-Nejat To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 Tom, I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refused o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he is enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer to question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He used very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capital unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. Ciao, Murat On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent Johnson in a keffiya? On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S. directly. > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like toknow moreabout it. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoffrey Gatza > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world¹s most > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > erformed with international firebrands. > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran¹s request to allow Mr. > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. ³We are > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > ook.² > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > ook, Gatza¹s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > isgust. > -------------------------- > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > :00 p.m., free > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > ----------------------- > - > Best, Geoffrey > Geoffrey Gatza > ditor & Publisher > ------------------------------------ > BlazeVOX [ books ] > ublisher of weird little books > ------------------------------------- > editor@blazevox.org > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:21:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Metta Sama Subject: Re: Music Scholar Barred From U.S., but No One Will Tell Her Why MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i watched the film "The U.S. versus John Lennon" last evening, & it's amazing how similar these cases were. & amazing how both artists used Kafka to express this terror they were in. M ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:38:27 -0400 Reply-To: arippeon@buffalo.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andrew Rippeon Subject: Invitation/Reminder: In Buffalo this week Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear Friends- In Buffalo this week: Thursday, September 27, 7pm.=20 "This Ain=E2=80=99t the Chicago Review." Readings by Sean Bonney, Frances K= ruk, Sophie Robinson and Ric Royer. Rust Belt Books (202 Allen St.) (http://artvoice.com/issues/v6n38/literary/result_of_chaos_and_luck) Friday, September 28, 8 PM "Triple Launch Extravaganza." Launch readings given by contributors to Damn= the Caesars, Pilot, and P-Queue. The Adam Mickiewicz Library (612 Fillmore= Ave.) http://damnthecaesars.org/ http://www.p-queue.org/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:41:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: wait a minute In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Gabe, *applause* Here here. -Ryan On 9/25/07, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > > dear poetics folks, i'm sorry, i've got to wade in here. there are many > maniacs ruling countries in this world. we _have_ to question quite > cynically why our own maniacs (whom i now consider extremely evil-- > definitely horrific creatures, and they are our problem, not some other > peoples') are interested in attacking some of them but not others. why i= s > the u.s. spending billions to support israel and more billions to wipe ou= t > iraq, a country that threatened neither israel nor the u.s.? why was > israel "founded" in the first place? was it really because the u.s. and > england love the jewish people so much? (both countries rejected the ide= a > of allowing jewish refugees to immigrate after WWII.) or was it another > cynical move to make sure the u.s. and england have a foot to control > stability/instability in teh middle east, home of oil fields that supply > both east and west and of a christian crusade that has gone on for 1000 > years? surely it's clear that christians have a much worse record than > moslems when it comes to slaughtering jews. what does this new cosying u= p > mean? i don't trust it at all. > > ahmadinejad may be a lunatic too, though in an interview by 60 minutes, > (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/60minutes/main3286690.shtml?) > he sounds more like a man very carefully aware that his country could wel= l > be the target of the next u.s. shock and awe. it is not our job to go > around making sure that leaders of other countries are treating their > people right. right now the burmese are up in arms against their gov't. > the iranians have overthrown their leaders many times before. it is a > very ancient civilization. we had better look to our own mess. > > the extremely difficult and painful situation begun by outside empires > fiddling with the status quo in different parts of the world > (pakistan/india, north and south ireland, hawaii, israel and the arab > countries surrounding it, africa as a whole) requires us to step back a > bit from immediate gut reactions and look at the bigger picture. > > the leaders of countries are not the ones suffering. it is always the > people. and it will be us too, more and more, if the craziness that is > our lot now in the u.s. goes on. all best, gabe > > On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > > > Ruth, Thank you. Yes, Ruth, not only that but the Iranian people > > themselves don't want this maniac ruling their lives. Letting him > > speakat Columbia gives the Iranian people a very sad picture of > > America: they want America to help them and America is just giving this > > guy the go ahead/ giving him more and more credibility with their > > gullibility. And yes, he wants all the Jews destroyed, and yes he wants > > Israel blown off the map (I'm not saying it/HE is > > PLEASELISTENTOWHAT THIS MANIAC IS SAYING (it's not so hard to do/ > > he's saying it every day) and then, for those who don't care about > > Israel, wellguess who's next: America. And anyone who knows me knows > > I'm no political fantatic and I'm no alarmist and I'm not on the right > > or any of the rationalizations you might want to put on me but I'm > > listening to this guy and I hear him and I think we owe it to ourselves > > and to the entire world to listen to him and realize he is as serious a= s > > Hitler was when he outlined HIS plan just as clearly, (both of > > thesehorrific creatureshave been very clear of their goals)with > > just as many people not listening to him. First of all, we owe it to th= e > > Iranian people to show them we stand for something other than "scoops" > > or whatever the media sees themselves doing by bringing us "all the new= s > > that's fit to cover"--too bad they leave so much out. And if anyone > > wants to believe his sweet talk, and won't listen to what he's actually > > saying (and I'll repeat it again: listen to his daily speeches > > translated directly from Farsi) then I'd say we are back in the days of > > Hitler's rise. And I am not, in any way, being dramatic. He's pulling > > women off the street for not covering up enough/ he's tearing academics > > from their positions, he's calling himself the messiah for > > godsakes--don't you hear what he's saying? It's scary for me that peopl= e > > aren't listening to what he's saying. Please see below and listen to > > Ruth: she knows what she's talking about. Bobbi Lurie > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ruth Lepson > > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:35 pm > > > > not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler= ? > > ver see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we'r= e > > so glad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your > > opinion," tc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews > > destroyed. think of how he treats his own people, not to mention the > > Christians & Jews n Iran. > > > > Thomas savage wrote: > > > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simpl= y > wrong. > > But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he > ever > > really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass > destruction, the > > government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is > developing > > nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone i= n > NYC > > outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express > himself. > > Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've > heard of a > > "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas > read > > some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. > Anyway, > > whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem abou= t > 9/11), > > everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in > Venezuela > > or something? > > > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated > directly > > from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to > the U.S. > > directly. > > > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's > better that > > way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C2 > know > > more=C2 about it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoffrey Gatza > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most > ethnically > > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s mos= t > > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president bes= t > > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust = a > > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > > erformed with international firebrands. > > > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. > > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him > to > > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last nigh= t > to > > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We a= re > > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVO= X > > ook.=C2=B2 > > > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him > a > > ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said wi= th > > isgust. > > -------------------------- > > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > > :00 p.m., free > > > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas > Manson, > > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > > > ----------------------- > > - > > Best, Geoffrey > > Geoffrey Gatza > > ditor & Publisher > > ------------------------------------ > > BlazeVOX [ books ] > > ublisher of weird little books > > ------------------------------------- > > editor@blazevox.org > > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________= __ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! = - > > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story= . > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo= ! > Games. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:09:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <3773.83840.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Tom, Do you believe that Ahmedinejad believes there are no gays in Iran? Is he sincerely stupid or is he a lier or something we do not understand. I think the second one. Perhaps he believes God is almighty and Iran is run by God's laws and the punishment for homosexuality is execution -Idam, the same word he used for Israel.- Since God's laws (and their executions) are ideal and perfect, all homosexuals are executed. Therefore, there are no homosexuals in Iran. Do you want to follow this argument? You must be aware that Ahmedinejad is following the same argument about Israel. Since the existence of Israel is against God's law -the argument being why should the Arabs pay for Europeans' sins ("if the Holocaust occurred at all")- therefore, Israel does not exist, its mere physical existence requires "execution" of the law. Israel does not exist the way homosexuals do not exist. Do you want to follow this argument also? The physical human reality -in the sense we understand it- does not seem to be relevant to Ahmedinejad- easily to be executed out. Do you believe in this kind of sincerity? I am trying hard not to scream and talk about the beady eyed smirk on his face. Ciao, Murat On 9/25/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose > Show and while he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeate= dly > that Iran and he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. W= hen > asked about the purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that it > was for peaceful purposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this > latter point, there seemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I'v= e > just been conned by him. There is no way of knowing any of the truth of > this matter without going to Iran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I c= an > usually tell when our politicians are lying, which is most of the time. = If > he is more cunning than he appeared, I had no way of telling that. Regar= ds, > Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, > > > > Creepy is the word. > Thank you for what you write. > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm > Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > Tom, > I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He > refused > o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he i= s > enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like > very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer t= o > question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that > omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was > hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He > used > very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capita= l > unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to > omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of > ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but > ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." > In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. > Ciao, > Murat > On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? > > And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent > Johnson in a keffiya? > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > > > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply > wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if > he > ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass > destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says > that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, > I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum > in > which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be > the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the > former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I > took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (= a > la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be > heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why > not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated > directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he > gives > to the U.S. directly. > > > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's > better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really > like > toknow moreabout it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoffrey Gatza > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most > ethnically > > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most > > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > > erformed with international firebrands. > > > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. > > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him t= o > > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night > to > > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are > > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > > ook.=B2 > > > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him = a > > ook, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > > isgust. > > -------------------------- > > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > > :00 p.m., free > > > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas > Manson, > > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > > > ----------------------- > > - > > Best, Geoffrey > > Geoffrey Gatza > > ditor & Publisher > > ------------------------------------ > > BlazeVOX [ books ] > > ublisher of weird little books > > ------------------------------------- > > editor@blazevox.org > > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________= _ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:23:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <3773.83840.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Tom, Forget Charlie Rose interview and forget his look of sincerity. Please look=20= at what he's been doing to (against) his own people (in Iran) (really scary=20= this past month)/ please listen to what he claims to be (ie; his version of=20= The Messiah--and he DOES claim to be that) and please read his speeches tran= slated DIRECTLY from Farsi. please. just that. (forget u.s. broadcasts--and=20= don't worry--you will have no problem finding his speeches from Farsi to the= world--he repeats the same stuff every day) Bobbi Lurie From: Thomas savage tsavagebar@YAHOO.COM Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose Show=20= and=20 hile he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeatedly that Iran= =20 nd he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. When asked abou= t=20 he purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that it was for peacefu= l=20 urposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this latter point, there=20 eemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I've just been conned by hi= m. =20 here is no way of knowing any of the truth of this matter without going to=20 ran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I can usually tell when our politici= ans=20 re lying, which is most of the time. If he is more cunning than he appeared= , I=20 ad no way of telling that. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, Creepy is the word. hank you for what you write. Bobbi Lurie ----Original Message----- rom: Murat Nemet-Nejat=20 o: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU ent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm ubject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 om, watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refused say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he is nying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like ery cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer to uestion, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that meone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was at "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He used ery final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capital nishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to mething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of urse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but en it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." n actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. iao, urat n 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent ohnson in a keffiya? On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply rong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ver really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass estruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says hat it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, 'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in hich to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be he first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the ormer head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I ook to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a a Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be eard. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why ot put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated irectly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives o the U.S. directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's etter that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like oknow moreabout it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most thnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C2=B9s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C2=B9s request to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night o sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C2=B3We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.=C2=B2 ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with isgust. -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas anson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- - Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - ttp://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________________________________________________ mail and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -=20 ttp://mail.aol.com =20 -------------------------------- ake the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, new= s,=20 hotos & more.=20 ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:39:49 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: wait a minute In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Gabe=E2=80=94I will have to delete some of your text to fit the 800 word=20= limit. but can provide full text as backchannel (but i am leaving town so pl= ease bear with me if you'd like me to respond--i will be off computer in a f= ew days)--please forgive my large letters and italics--my computer isn't wor= king correctly and i'm not sure my msg. will come through. =C2=A0 we _have_ to question quite cynically why our own maniacs=20 =C2=A0 truer words never spoken (bobbi) =C2=A0 why was israel "founded" in the first place?=C2=A0 was it really because the u.s. an= d england love the jewish people so much?=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Not at all. The U.N. gave it the o.k. (but only because of the Holocau= st) (bobbi) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ahmadinejad may be a lunatic too, though in an interview by 60 minutes, (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/60minutes/main3286690.shtml? =C2=A0 Gabe, this is all I ask: listen to ahmadinejad with a direct translation fro= m the Farsi/ not on a U.S. show=E2=80=94but please listen to what he=E2=80= =99s saying daily to his poor people (who are being arrested right and left)= =E2=80=94listen to how he tells them he is the messiah (different words used= =E2=80=94but he thinks he=E2=80=99s it)=E2=80=94please just listen to his sp= eeches from Farsi=C2=A0 (bobbi) =C2=A0 we had better look to our own mess. =C2=A0 True. (bobbi) =C2=A0 =C2=A0 the leaders of countries are not the ones suffering.=C2=A0 it is always the people.=C2=A0=20 =C2=A0 True. And the people of Iran are suffering a lot now and I think it would he= lp if we at least didn=E2=80=99t broadcast ahmadinejad=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cki= nd words=E2=80=9D because Iranians are losing all possible freedoms now and=20= I think they=E2=80=99d like some support from the u.s. and I=E2=80=99m not t= alking about war or shock and awe or any of it )bobbi) =C2=A0 and it will be us too, more and more, if the craziness that is our lot now in the u.s. goes on.=C2=A0 all best, gabe =C2=A0 p.s. I will not be able to be on computer for about a month so if I do not a= nswer your response, please know I=E2=80=99ll be back on in November. =C2=A0 -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Welford welford@HAWAII.EDU Sent: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 7:10 am dear poetics folks, i'm sorry, i've got to wade in here. there are many aniacs ruling countries in this world. we _have_ to question quite ynically why our own maniacs (whom i now consider extremely evil-- efinitely horrific creatures, and they are our problem, not some other eoples') are interested in attacking some of them but not others. why is he u.s. spending billions to support israel and more billions to wipe out raq, a country that threatened neither israel nor the u.s.? why was srael "founded" in the first place? was it really because the u.s. and ngland love the jewish people so much? (both countries rejected the idea f allowing jewish refugees to immigrate after WWII.) or was it another ynical move to make sure the u.s. and england have a foot to control tability/instability in teh middle east, home of oil fields that supply oth east and west and of a christian crusade that has gone on for 1000 ears? surely it's clear that christians have a much worse record than oslems when it comes to slaughtering jews. what does this new cosying up ean? i don't trust it at all. ahmadinejad may be a lunatic too, though in an interview by 60 minutes, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/21/60minutes/main3286690.shtml?) e sounds more like a man very carefully aware that his country could well e the target of the next u.s. shock and awe. it is not our job to go round making sure that leaders of other countries are treating their eople right. right now the burmese are up in arms against their gov't. he iranians have overthrown their leaders many times before. it is a ery ancient civilization. we had better look to our own mess. the extremely difficult and painful situation begun by outside empires iddling with the status quo in different parts of the world pakistan/india, north and south ireland, hawaii, israel and the arab ountries surrounding it, africa as a whole) requires us to step back a it from immediate gut reactions and look at the bigger picture. the leaders of countries are not the ones suffering. it is always the eople. and it will be us too, more and more, if the craziness that is ur lot now in the u.s. goes on. all best, gabe On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Bobbi Lurie wrote: > Ruth, Thank you. Yes, Ruth, not only that but the Iranian people themselves don't want this maniac ruling their lives. Letting him speak=C3=82=C2=A0at Columbia gives the Iranian people a very sad picture of America: they want America to help them and America is just giving this guy the go ahead/ giving him more and more credibility with their gullibility. And yes, he wants all the Jews destroyed, and yes he wants Israel blown off the map (I'm not saying it/=C3=82=C2=A0HE is PLEASE=C3=82=C2=A0LISTEN=C3=82=C2=A0TO=C3=82=C2=A0WHAT THIS MANIAC IS SAYIN= G (it's not so hard to do/ he's saying it every day) and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well=C3=82=C2=A0guess who's next: America. And anyone who knows me=20= knows I'm no political fantatic and I'm no alarmist and I'm not on the right or any of the rationalizations you might want to put on me but I'm listening to this guy and I hear him and I think we owe it to ourselves and to the entire world to listen to him and realize he is as serious as Hitler was when he outlined HIS plan just as clearly, (both of these=C3=82=C2=A0horrific creatures=C3=82=C2=A0have been very clear of thei= r goals)=C3=82=C2=A0with just as many people not listening to him. First of all, we owe it to the Iranian people to show them we stand for something other than "scoops" or whatever the media sees themselves doing by bringing us "all the news that's fit to cover"--too bad they leave so much out. And if anyone wants to believe his sweet talk, and won't listen to what he's actually saying (and I'll repeat it again: listen to his daily speeches translated directly from Farsi) then I'd say we are back in the days of Hitler's rise. And I am not, in any way, being dramatic. He's pulling women off the street for not covering up enough/ he's tearing academics from their positions, he's calling himself the messiah for godsakes--don't you hear what he's saying? It's scary for me that people aren't listening to what he's saying. Please see below and listen to Ruth: she knows what she's talking about. Bobbi Lurie > -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Lepson Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:35 pm not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler? ver see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we're so glad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your opinion," tc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews destroyed. think of how he treats his own people, not to mention the Christians & Jews n Iran. Thomas savage wrote: > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply=20 rong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction,= =20 he government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is=20 eveloping nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NY= C outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himse= lf. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard=20= of=20 "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas rea= d some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago.=20 nyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about=20 /11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezu= ela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the=20 .S. directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better=20 hat way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to=C3=83= =E2=80=9A know more=C3=83=E2=80=9A about it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=C3=83=E2=80= =9A=C3=82=C2=B9s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=B9s req= uest to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =C3=83=E2=80= =9A=C3=82=C2=B3We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=B2 ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza=C3=83=E2=80=9A=C3=82=C2=B9s published everyone else, why not hi= m too, he said with isgust. -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- - Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo!=20 ames. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -=20 ttp://mail.aol.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 08:58:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Seth Forrest Subject: Contact Information for Edith Jarolim? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone out there know how I could get in touch with Edith Jarolim, the editor of Paul Blackburn's Collected Poems? I think I may have found a few unpublished poems by Paul Blackburn. Thanks, Seth -- Seth Forrest PhD Candidate Department of English University of California, Davis wwwenglish.ucdavis.edu http://trc.ucdavis.edu/sjforrest ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:00:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <8C9CD5B73146988-17D0-508E@webmail-da03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No, Bobbie, you are not an alarmist. But Ahmadinejad does not have anywhere near the power Hitler had. The Sunni's are the majority in the greater mid-east. Still, I understand your concern. I'm convinced that the shitty U.S. policy in the mid-east is largely responsible for our being in the mess we're in. If we hadn't overthrown the democratically elected (?), and replaced him with our mole, the shah, perhaps we wouldn't be having this discussion. Bobbi Lurie wrote: Ruth, Thank you. Yes, Ruth, not only that but the Iranian people themselves don't want this maniac ruling their lives. Letting him speak at Columbia gives the Iranian people a very sad picture of America: they want America to help them and America is just giving this guy the go ahead/ giving him more and more credibility with their gullibility. And yes, he wants all the Jews destroyed, and yes he wants Israel blown off the map (I'm not saying it/ HE is PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT THIS MANIAC IS SAYING (it's not so hard to do/ he's saying it every day) and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's next: America. And anyone who knows me knows I'm no political fantatic and I'm no alarmist and I'm not on the right or any of the rationalizations you might want to put on me but I'm listening to this guy and I hear him and I think we owe it to ourselves and to the entire world to listen to him and realize he is as serious as Hitler was when he outlined HIS plan just as clearly, (both of these horrific creatures have been very clear of their goals) with just as many people not listening to him. First of all, we owe it to the Iranian people to show them we stand for something other than "scoops" or whatever the media sees themselves doing by bringing us "all the news that's fit to cover"--too bad they leave so much out. And if anyone wants to believe his sweet talk, and won't listen to what he's actually saying (and I'll repeat it again: listen to his daily speeches translated directly from Farsi) then I'd say we are back in the days of Hitler's rise. And I am not, in any way, being dramatic. He's pulling women off the street for not covering up enough/ he's tearing academics from their positions, he's calling himself the messiah for godsakes--don't you hear what he's saying? It's scary for me that people aren't listening to what he's saying. Please see below and listen to Ruth: she knows what she's talking about. Bobbi Lurie -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Lepson To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 6:35 pm Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 not everyone deserves to be heard in an invited forum. how about hitler? ver see the SNL parody of The News Hour? "Good evening, Mr Hitler, we're so lad you could join us tonight." "Thank you for expressing your opinion," tc. He has often denied the Holocaust & wants to see all Jews destroyed. hink of how he treats his own people, not to mention the Christians & Jews n Iran. n 9/24/07 12:54 PM, "Mary Kasimor" wrote: > I assumed that Geoffrey was playing with us!!! Well? Mary Thomas savage wrote: If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if he ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum in which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be heard. Regards, Tom Savage Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he gives to the U.S. directly. Bobbi Lurie p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really like to know more about it. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Gatza To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most ethnically iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world¹s most ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long erformed with international firebrands. ast week the Police Department denied Iran¹s request to allow Mr. hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night to sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. ³We are hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX ook.² ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a ook, Gatza¹s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with isgust. -------------------------- ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books :00 p.m., free eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas Manson, yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz ----------------------- - Best, Geoffrey Geoffrey Gatza ditor & Publisher ------------------------------------ BlazeVOX [ books ] ublisher of weird little books ------------------------------------- editor@blazevox.org ttp://www.blazevox.org ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:14:09 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Goldstein Subject: Wa-Kow! Thursday Oct 4 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The Wa-KOW! Collective invites you to the premiere of Holy/Oil at Living Arts of Tulsa Where: 308 S. Kenosha Ave, Tulsa, OK When: Opening: 5-8 p.m., Thursday, Oct. 4. Artist's Talk: 6:30 p.m. Holy/Oil runs through October 25. Holy/Oil is a multimedia installation by the Wa-KOW! Collective that explores the cultural, ethical and aesthetic intersections of oil and religion in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Wa-KOW! Collective is Grant Jenkins, Nathan Halverson, David Goldstein and Mindy Stricke. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:21:25 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Joel Bettridge Subject: Poetry, Art, and the Book: a Conference at Yale Univeristy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library and the Arts of the Book Collection at Yale University invite historians, literary scholars, poets, artists, publishers, and book arts enthusiasts to participate in Metaphor Taking Shape: Poetry, Art, and the Book, a symposium to be held on March 13 & 14, 2008, on the campus of Yale University. Speakers will include Carolee Campbell, Macy Chadwick, Steve Clay, Simon Cutts, Johanna Drucker, Ann Lauterbach, Anna Moschovakis, Chad Oness, Kyle Schelessinger, Buzz Spector, C. D. Wright, and John Yau. The symposium will highlight strengths of the Yale Arts of the Book Collection and the Modern European and American collections at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library in the accompanying exhibitions: "Metaphor Taking Shape: Poetry, Art, and the Book" at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, and "The Publisher's Roundtable: Book Artists in Dialogue" at the Arts of the Book Collection. Additional details are available online: http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/metaphor/index.html For more information about Poetry at Beinecke Library visit: http://beineckepoetry.wordpress.com/ Nancy Kuhl Associate Curator, Yale Collection of American Literature The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library Yale University 121 Wall Street, P.O. Box 208240 New Haven, CT 06520-8240 Phone: 203.432.2966 African American Studies at Beinecke Library: http://beineckejwj.wordpress.com/ Poetry at Beinecke Library: http://beineckepoetry.wordpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:23:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: New Release from Paper Kite Press - Too Bad It's Poetry by Jim Warner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too Bad It's Poetry, by Jim Warner "The amazing poem "east/west" is a must read. Warner successfully weaves--or more aptly fuses--references to music, spirituality, psychology, pop culture and literature as he explores themes of exile and identity. In these electric poems we journey with him as he both searches for and invents a new home--this one made of language."-- Toi Derricotte Diamond City review here: http://www.diamondcityweekly.com/columns/story.asp?id=46114 A 45-sized collection of poetry, shrink wrapped for freshness. $16 (includes shipping) Order here: http://www.wordpainting.com/shop.shtml Paper Kite Press 443 Main Street Kingston, PA 18704 USA http://www.wordpainting.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:39:42 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: New at E-values MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My interview with Alan Davies is here: http://willtoexchange.blogspot.com ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:44:54 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Grant Matthew Jenkins Subject: Premier of "Holy/Oil" by the Wa-KOW! Collective, Tulsa OK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Wa-KOW! Collective invites you to the premiere of Holy/Oil at Living Arts of Tulsa Where: 308 S. Kenosha Ave, Tulsa, OK When: Opening: 5-8 p.m., Thursday, Oct. 4. Artist's Talk: 6:30 p.m. Holy/Oil runs through October 25. Combining poetry, photography, and sound, Holy/Oil is a multimedia installation that explores the intersections of oil and religion in Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Wa-KOW! Collective is Grant Jenkins, Nathan Halverson, David Goldstein and Mindy Stricke. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:38:31 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709250809m472ef72cv13aeb9dfb1d5d3ae@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Okay, Murat. His attitude toward homosexuality was not discussed on the program. I only heard of this today from someone else and saw something about it in today's New York Times. Thirty seven years ago when I was briefly in Teheran on the way to Afghanistan and India, I was told by two young men that men in the Muslim world had sex with one another until they got married. I had no idea whether this was true or not but because I was twenty-two at the time, it stuck with me. More recently, in Afghanistan under the Taliban, the punishment for being caught in homosexual activity was to be placed in a house which was then collapsed onto you. If you survived this ordeal you were let go. Which is the more primitive and inhumane, even anti-human, since homosexuality is natural and human, I don't wish to speculate. Anyway, since I'm now told homosexuals are executed in Iran, I would certainly never go there until this changed. Regards, Tom Savage Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: Tom, Do you believe that Ahmedinejad believes there are no gays in Iran? Is he sincerely stupid or is he a lier or something we do not understand. I think the second one. Perhaps he believes God is almighty and Iran is run by God's laws and the punishment for homosexuality is execution -Idam, the same word he used for Israel.- Since God's laws (and their executions) are ideal and perfect, all homosexuals are executed. Therefore, there are no homosexuals in Iran. Do you want to follow this argument? You must be aware that Ahmedinejad is following the same argument about Israel. Since the existence of Israel is against God's law -the argument being why should the Arabs pay for Europeans' sins ("if the Holocaust occurred at all")- therefore, Israel does not exist, its mere physical existence requires "execution" of the law. Israel does not exist the way homosexuals do not exist. Do you want to follow this argument also? The physical human reality -in the sense we understand it- does not seem to be relevant to Ahmedinejad- easily to be executed out. Do you believe in this kind of sincerity? I am trying hard not to scream and talk about the beady eyed smirk on his face. Ciao, Murat On 9/25/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose > Show and while he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeatedly > that Iran and he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. When > asked about the purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that it > was for peaceful purposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this > latter point, there seemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I've > just been conned by him. There is no way of knowing any of the truth of > this matter without going to Iran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I can > usually tell when our politicians are lying, which is most of the time. If > he is more cunning than he appeared, I had no way of telling that. Regards, > Tom Savage > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, > > > > Creepy is the word. > Thank you for what you write. > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm > Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > Tom, > I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He > refused > o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he is > enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like > very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer to > question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that > omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was > hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He > used > very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capital > unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to > omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of > ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but > ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." > In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. > Ciao, > Murat > On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: > > What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? > > And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent > Johnson in a keffiya? > > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: > > > If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply > wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if > he > ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass > destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says > that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, > I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum > in > which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be > the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the > former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I > took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (a > la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be > heard. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why > not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? > > > > and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated > directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he > gives > to the U.S. directly. > > > > > > Bobbi Lurie > > > > > > p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's > better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really > like > toknow moreabout it. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geoffrey Gatza > > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > > Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm > > Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 > > > > > > > > > > New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most > ethnically > > iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious > > osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world¹s most > > ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. > > > > he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best > > nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a > > yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long > > erformed with international firebrands. > > > > ast week the Police Department denied Iran¹s request to allow Mr. > > hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to > > articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night > to > > sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. ³We are > > hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX > > ook.² > > > > ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a > > ook, Gatza¹s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with > > isgust. > > -------------------------- > > ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ > > > > eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press > > > > CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. > > bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC > > > > ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books > > :00 p.m., free > > > > eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas > Manson, > > yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz > > > > ----------------------- > > - > > Best, Geoffrey > > Geoffrey Gatza > > ditor & Publisher > > ------------------------------------ > > BlazeVOX [ books ] > > ublisher of weird little books > > ------------------------------------- > > editor@blazevox.org > > ttp://www.blazevox.org > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:01:39 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <3773.83840.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable he IS cunning--he has tried to get 500 centrifuges. he imprisons dissendents. he calls his gvot a democracy but only people approved by the council are even allowed to run. he intimidates minorities. he is a thug. h= e wants to destroy israel. he uses language in the most slippery way. columbia is known for inviting 'leftists' even if they are dictators, which he is. he had plenty of opportunity to speak at the UN, & to C. Rice, & on 60 Mins. w/out columbia inviting him & giving him a US forum which will reflect well on him in his own country--he will be seen as a powerful world leader who can get people in the US to applaud when he denies the Holocaust= . On 9/25/07 9:53 AM, "Thomas savage" wrote: > You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose Sh= ow > and while he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeatedly t= hat > Iran and he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. When a= sked > about the purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that it was f= or > peaceful purposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this latter po= int, > there seemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I've just been co= nned > by him. There is no way of knowing any of the truth of this matter witho= ut > going to Iran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I can usually tell when= our > politicians are lying, which is most of the time. If he is more cunning = than > he appeared, I had no way of telling that. Regards, Tom Savage >=20 > Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, >=20 >=20 >=20 > Creepy is the word. > Thank you for what you write. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Bobbi Lurie >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Murat Nemet-Nejat > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm > Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Tom, > I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He refus= ed > o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he i= s > enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks like > very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer t= o > question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad that > omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was > hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He us= ed > very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capita= l > unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to > omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. Of > ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but > ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." > In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. > Ciao, > Murat > On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: >=20 > What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? >=20 > And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent > Johnson in a keffiya? >=20 > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: >=20 >> If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply > wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if = he > ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass > destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it says > that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway, > I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum = in > which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must be > the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the > former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I > took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views (= a > la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be > heard. Regards, Tom Savage >>=20 >> Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why > not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? >>=20 >> and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated > directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he giv= es > to the U.S. directly. >>=20 >>=20 >> Bobbi Lurie >>=20 >>=20 >> p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's > better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really l= ike > toknow moreabout it. >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Geoffrey Gatza >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm >> Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most > ethnically >> iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious >> osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most >> ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. >>=20 >> he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best >> nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a >> yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long >> erformed with international firebrands. >>=20 >> ast week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. >> hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him to >> articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night > to >> sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are >> hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX >> ook.=B2 >>=20 >> ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him a >> ook, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with >> isgust. >> -------------------------- >> ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ >>=20 >> eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press >>=20 >> CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. >> bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC >>=20 >> ues. Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books >> :00 p.m., free >>=20 >> eaturing readings from Joel Chace, Amy King, Ruth Lepson, Douglas > Manson, >> yle Schlesinger and music from Compass Jazz >>=20 >> ----------------------- >> - >> Best, Geoffrey >> Geoffrey Gatza >> ditor & Publisher >> ------------------------------------ >> BlazeVOX [ books ] >> ublisher of weird little books >> ------------------------------------- >> editor@blazevox.org >> ttp://www.blazevox.org >>=20 >>=20 >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------- >> Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. >> Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com >=20 >=20 > =20 > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more.=20 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:02:28 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709250809m472ef72cv13aeb9dfb1d5d3ae@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable exactly. On 9/25/07 11:09 AM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > Tom, >=20 > Do you believe that Ahmedinejad believes there are no gays in Iran? Is he > sincerely stupid or is he a lier or something we do not understand. I thi= nk > the second one. >=20 > Perhaps he believes God is almighty and Iran is run by God's laws and the > punishment for homosexuality is execution -Idam, the same word he used fo= r > Israel.- Since God's laws (and their executions) are ideal and perfect, a= ll > homosexuals are executed. Therefore, there are no homosexuals in Iran. Do > you want to follow this argument? >=20 > You must be aware that Ahmedinejad is following the same argument about > Israel. Since the existence of Israel is against God's law -the argument > being why should the Arabs pay for Europeans' sins ("if the Holocaust > occurred at all")- therefore, Israel does not exist, its mere physical > existence requires "execution" of the law. Israel does not exist the way > homosexuals do not exist. Do you want to follow this argument also? >=20 > The physical human reality -in the sense we understand it- does not seem = to > be relevant to Ahmedinejad- easily to be executed out. Do you believe in > this kind of sincerity? >=20 > I am trying hard not to scream and talk about the beady eyed smirk on his > face. >=20 > Ciao, >=20 > Murat >=20 > On 9/25/07, Thomas savage wrote: >>=20 >> You may be right, Murat. I watched him last night on the Charlie Rose >> Show and while he sidestepped the issue of the Holocaust, he said repeat= edly >> that Iran and he wanted to be friends with the people o f all nations. = When >> asked about the purpose of his nuclear program, he insisted again that i= t >> was for peaceful purposes. I watched his face very carefully. On this >> latter point, there seemed to be sincerity emanating from him. Maybe I'= ve >> just been conned by him. There is no way of knowing any of the truth of >> this matter without going to Iran. Nevertheless, he was convincing. I = can >> usually tell when our politicians are lying, which is most of the time. = If >> he is more cunning than he appeared, I had no way of telling that. Rega= rds, >> Tom Savage >>=20 >> Bobbi Lurie wrote: Murat, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Creepy is the word. >> Thank you for what you write. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Bobbi Lurie >>=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Murat Nemet-Nejat >> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >> Sent: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 5:02 pm >> Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Tom, >> I watched some of Ahmedinejad's talk at the Mational Press Club. He >> refused >> o say that the Holocaust did take place. In my vocabulary this means he = is >> enying it or obfuscating its existence. I must say Ahmedinejad talks lik= e >> very cheap politician in The United States. In the same talk, in answer = to >> question, he basically denied Israel's right to exist. It was so bad tha= t >> omeone blinked out his initial response in Persian, which basically was >> hat "we (Iran) had already made their decisision about the matter." He >> used >> very final word for decision "idam," which also means "sentence of capit= al >> unishment." When the sound came back, the answer was softened a bit to >> omething like "why should the Arabs pay for the sins of the Europeans. O= f >> ourse here he is using the lawyerly rhetoric of: "it did not happen, but >> ven it did why should the Arabs suffer for it." >> In actuality, Ahmedinejad looked much creepier that I thought he would. >> Ciao, >> Murat >> On 9/24/07, Jason Quackenbush wrote: >>=20 >> What's the Baraka 9-11 poem you're referring to? >>=20 >> And how do we know that this Ahmedinajad appearance won't just be Kent >> Johnson in a keffiya? >>=20 >> On Mon, 24 Sep 2007, Thomas savage wrote: >>=20 >>> If Ahmedinajad denies the Holocaust, then he is obviously just simply >> wrong. But American propaganda on all things being suspect, who knows if >> he >> ever really said that. Anyway, just as Iraq had no weapons of mass >> destruction, the government of Iran may be telling the truth when it say= s >> that it is developing nuclear power for peaceful uses. Who knows? Anyway= , >> I'm glad someone in NYC outside the UN is giving Mr. Ahmedinajad a forum >> in >> which to express himself. Is he really going to read poetry? This must b= e >> the first time I've heard of a "world leader" writing poetry since the >> former head of the Sandinistas read some poetry he'd written on a trip I >> took to Nicaragua many years ago. Anyway, whatever their mistaken views = (a >> la Baraka and his part of a poem about 9/11), everyone deserves to be >> heard. Regards, Tom Savage >>>=20 >>> Bobbi Lurie wrote: And one more suggestion: why >> not put the U.N. in Venezuela or something? >>>=20 >>> and please, more importantly, PLEASE read his speeches translated >> directly from Farsi cause they sound a lot different than the ones he >> gives >> to the U.S. directly. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Bobbi Lurie >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> p.s. too bad i won't be in NYC until next week....well, maybe it's >> better that way...but please send a synopsis of all of this. i'd really >> like >> toknow moreabout it. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Geoffrey Gatza >>> To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >>> Sent: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:45 pm >>> Subject: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> New York City ??home to the United Nations and some of the most >> ethnically >>> iverse communities on the planet ??often finds itself in the curious >>> osition of being grudgingly hospitable to some of the world=B9s most >>> ontroversial heads of state and loathsome tyrants. >>>=20 >>> he arrival yesterday of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president best >>> nown here for criticizing the United States and calling the Holocaust a >>> yth, is the latest example of the diplomatic dance New York has long >>> erformed with international firebrands. >>>=20 >>> ast week the Police Department denied Iran=B9s request to allow Mr. >>> hmadinejad to visit ground zero, but BlazeVOX [books] is allowing him t= o >>> articipate in a Poetry reading Tuesday. Geoffrey Gatza spoke last night >> to >>> sympathetic and mostly Iranian audience at a Midtown hotel. =B3We are >>> hrilled that President Ahmadinejad will read from his upcoming BlazeVOX >>> ook.=B2 >>>=20 >>> ony Snow, The White House press secretary was quoted, why not give him = a >>> ook, Gatza=B9s published everyone else, why not him too, he said with >>> isgust. >>> -------------------------- >>> ttp://welcometoboogcity.com/ >>>=20 >>> eason 5 of d.a levy lives: celebrating the renegade press >>>=20 >>> CA Galleries, 529 W.20th St., 5th Floor. >>> bet. 10th and 11th avenues) NYC >>>=20 >>> ues. 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Sept. 25 BlazeVOX Books (Kenmore , N.Y. ) Featuring readings from Joel Chace Amy King Ruth Lepson Douglas Manson Kyle Schlesinger Michael Ruby Ryan Daley Meghan Punschke and music from Compass Jazz Oct. 30 Talisman House ( Jersey City , N.J. ) Nov. 27 Big Game Books ( Washington , D.C. ) Dec. 18 Six NYC Presses: Belladonna Books, Cy Gist Press, Futurepoem Books, Kitchen Press, Litmus Press/Aufgabe, Portable Press at Yo-Yo Labs The season runs through July and will also feature: Abraham Lincoln ( Ashland , Ore. ) Instance Press (Boulder, Co.; New York City ; Richmond , Va. ) Outside Voices ( Charlottesville , Va. ) Effing Press ( Austin , Texas ) Ixnay Press ( Philadelphia ) and more... http://www.amyking.org/events/56/ --- Reviews of I'M THE MAN WHO LOVES YOU Matt Hart / Coldfront Magazine http://reviews.coldfrontmag.com/2007/06/im_the_man_who_.html Mark Lamoureux / BOOG City http://welcometoboogcity.com/boogpdfs/bc43.pdf Nick Piombino / fait accompli http://nickpiombino.blogspot.com/2007_03_18_archive.html Thomas Fink / Galatea Resurrects http://galatearesurrection6.blogspot.com/2007/05/im-man-who-loves-you-by-amy-king.html ~ Recent Review of ANTIDOTES FOR AN ALIBI Adam Fieled / Stoning the Devil http://adamfieled.blogspot.com/2007/05/book-review-amy-king-antidote-for-alibi.html ~ What To Wear During An Orange Alert? http://wearduringorangealert.blogspot.com/2007/07/writers-corner_12.html ~ http://www.amyking.org/blog ---- --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:46:25 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "steve d. dalachinsky" Subject: Fw: Benefit for Billy Bang THIS WEEKEND! Comments: To: Acousticlv@aol.com, AdeenaKarasick@cs.com, AGosfield@aol.com, alonech@acedsl.com, Altjazz@aol.com, amirib@aol.com, Amramdavid@aol.com, anansi1@earthlink.net, AnselmBerrigan@aol.com, arlenej2@verizon.net, Barrywal23@aol.com, bdlilrbt@icqmail.com, butchershoppoet@hotmail.com, CarolynMcClairPR@aol.com, CaseyCyr@aol.com, CHASEMANHATTAN1@aol.com, Djmomo17@aol.com, Dsegnini1216@aol.com, Gfjacq@aol.com, Hooker99@aol.com, rakien@gmail.com, jeromerothenberg@hotmail.com, Jeromesala@aol.com, JillSR@aol.com, JoeLobell@cs.com, JohnLHagen@aol.com, kather8@katherinearnoldi.com, Kevtwi@aol.com, krkubert@hotmail.com, LakiVaz@aol.com, Lisevachon@aol.com, Nuyopoman@AOL.COM, Pedevski@aol.com, pom2@pompompress.com, Rabinart@aol.com, Rcmorgan12@aol.com, reggiedw@comcast.net, RichKostelanetz@aol.com, RnRBDN@aol.com, Smutmonke@aol.com, sprygypsy@yahoo.com, SHoltje@aol.com, Sumnirv@aol.com, tcumbie@nyc.rr.com, velasquez@nyc.com, VITORICCI@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Friends of Bang present We Take Care of Our Own A Benefit for Billy Bang 3 Phenomenal Bands: Other Dimensions in Music, Roy Campbell, Daniel Carter, William Parker, Charles Downs Aftermath Band: Ted Daniel, Andrew Bemkey, Todd Nicholson, Newman Taylor-Baker Commitment : Jason Kao Hwang, Sabir Mateen, Henry Warner, William Parker, Zen Matsuura Sunday, September 30 7 pm Admission: $25 at Ariane and Alain Kirili's 17 White Street New York, NY 10013 btw Avenue of the Americas and West Broadway New York, NY - On August 7, violinist Billy Bang received a much needed hip replacement surgery at Englewood Hospital in Englewood, NJ (thanks to the Jazz Foundation of America for making the procedure possible). Billy is recovering nicely, but he has not been able to work at all for the past few months. He needs to continue to rest and recover for at least another three to four weeks. In an effort to assist him in meeting all of his expenses, his friends have organized a benefit which will include performances by some of the best musicians living in New York. The benefit will be taking place at the home of sculptor and avantJazz enthusiast Alain Kirili and his wife photographer Ariane Lopez-Huici. Alain Kirili has a history of collaborating with musicians of the avantjazz scene. In fact a Bang solo CD, "Commandment" was recorded during a live performance in Kirili's loft in March of 1997. Please come by to check out what will no doubt be an amazing night of music, all for the worthy cause of keeping Billy Bang in the black! ##### ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:27:04 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruth -- are we talking about Bush or Ahmadinejad here? > he IS cunning--he has tried to get 500 centrifuges Last I heard, the US has quite an arsenal of nuclear weaponry. And they dropped weapons of mass destruction on two separate cities of no military value a few years back. (By the way, what's with the "cunning" bit? Ah, those tricky Iranians -- ready to swindle you on a carpet deal like the bazaar merchants they are). he imprisons > dissendents. That's a new word on me. Anyway, how're things going these days at Guantanamo, where people are certainly "dissended"? he calls his gvot a democracy but only people approved > by the > council are even allowed to run Yes, the Democrats and the Republicans, not to mention well-heeled donors, do have a lock on the permissible candidates. he intimidates minorities. Katrina? See Bob Herbert's column in the Times. he is a > thug. Sounds like our boy W. he > wants to destroy israel. In truth, the Israeli government's doing a pretty good job of that already. See Uri Avnery's writings. he uses language in the most slippery way. THAT doesn't sound like Bush, who can't even articulate. But here again, we have the devious, effete Persians about their nefarious business, pulling the wool over brave, plain-spoken Murican eyes. Press the start button on the film "300" or whatever it was called. But wait! Poets use language in a slippery way too! Can it be that, like Donald Rumsfeld, Ahmedinejad could potentially subscribe to this list? > columbia is known for inviting 'leftists' even if they are dictators, > which > he is. Sorry, like it or not, he was fairly elected (probably more so than Bush in either 2000 or 2004), and since "all politics is local," most of those voting for him thought he would bring about an improvement in their economic condition. That didn't happen. But because of all the "West's" hand-wringing and saber-rattling (hard sometimes to tell them apart), the jerk has been able to play the nationalist card. And if the far-right Ahmedinejad is a leftist, I'm Dick Cheney. he had plenty of opportunity to speak at the UN, & to C. Rice, > & on > 60 Mins. w/out columbia inviting him & giving him a US forum which will > reflect well on him in his own country--he will be seen as a powerful > world > leader who can get people in the US to applaud when he denies the Holocaust. Free speech -- gosh, what an inconvenience it is. Better we should only listen to people we agree with; it's certainly more comforting. Anyway, what gives you such insight into how Ahmedinejad will "be seen" by Iranians? A lot of them are pretty sick of the guy. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:24:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <27ab01c7ff1b$12db24a0$4a06efd1@user45c726892d> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > storyspace is a little more complex. > you can link words to other words, for example, > within the same page you can do that in html also. like this: Click to go to 2 . . . Click to go to 1 > and view the hypertext story > like a visual map to see how the links establish a > particular rhizomic structure. html is limited is this > regard. i've seen html editers that let you view the links as visual maps. such as ms frontpage. and web browsers that let you view the document's tag structure as a collapsable/expandable tree. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 12:48:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <622619.15387.qm@web52406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's > next: America. Oh God, yes. Those horrible Persians might attack "America" [I think you mean the US] in one of its states, say Iraq, or Afghanistan,. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:35:41 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: mIEKAL aND Subject: Re: Xenakis at Target and the True Artist In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Very interesting how naming this xxxXenakis immediately frames the listening experience. When I listen with Xenakis in mind I immediately hear a direct connection & that sense of sprawling sonic architecture. However if you had named this something other like whiningbrats.mp3 I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have made the connection. ~mIEKAL On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:58 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > Xenakis at Target > > The True Artist finds Inspiration everywhere. Here I was, in the > popular > Target "Department Store" searching for inexpensive miniDV tapes, > when I > noticed the speaker system began acting up in a most unusual way, > as if it > were consciously imitating the famed composer Xenakis. What to do, > what to > do! I quickly took out my surround-sound Zoom H2 solid-state audio > recor- > der, and began recording the remarkable Sound, as I paced from > speaker to > speaker, passing shoppers who paid little attention to the Beauty > in their > midst. Now my only hope is one of them, perhaps someone purchasing > toys or > kitchenware, will come across these files, and realize, with a > sense of > Loss and Ecstasy, what they had missed, and what has been returned. > Ah, > how little Memory is necessary when the hard molecular structure of > the > World gives us the Gift of the Past, space-time at our fingertips, > silent > Beauty sounding once again. > > http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakis.mp3 > http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakisb.mp3 > The covers of this book are too far apart. -- Ambrose Bierce ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:42:13 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ann Bogle Subject: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia by Jayati Vora ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:35:41 -0500 Reply-To: wchapman@iwu.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Wes Chapman Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Andrews wrote: >>storyspace is a little more complex. >>you can link words to other words, ... > you can do that in html also. > .... >>and view the hypertext story >>like a visual map > > i've seen html editers that let you view the links as visual maps. It may well be the case that just about anything that Storyspace can do can also be done in HTML and add-ons like javascript. This is true even of a feature that no other hypertext editor has, guard fields (which allow you to construct a page such that the first time you come to the page and click a link you go one place, whereas the second time you come to a page the same link will take you to another place...a very powerful tool for structuring the reader's experience). But you have to do the scripting yourself, or find someone else's and apply it...very tricky. And let it be said that there are plenty of things that HTML will do that Storyspace doesn't do, or doesn't do as easily. But for me that's not the point. For me, the primary draw of Storyspace isn't its features, cool though they are. The primary draw is the speed and ease with which you can construct hypertexts. Double-click, write a title, you have a new page (it's even faster if you skip the title). A couple of clicks, you have a link. So it is quick and easy (technically, anyway, the creative act is another matter) to create hypertexts that have hundreds of pages and thousands of links. And since it is much faster to sketch out complex multi-page, multi-linked structures in Storyspace *and edit them* than in HTML, Storyspace is great for trying out first drafts (which can then be exported to HTML, although I don't find this as easy as Eastgate's advertising lets on). All of which is to say the obvious, that all of these tools do different things. And that it's creatively fructifying to try them out when you have the chance. Wes Chapman ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:54:10 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit points taken, christopher! but it is generally known that when he talks around the world he does so for local consumption. not against free speech but if they are going to invite thugs they shd invite all thugs or none. not just 'left' ones. come on, he is cunning (did you hear him on Charlie Rose?), in fact journalists sd he was crazy in the beginning till they realized he was manipulated his image of himself. why defend a guy who wants to wipe out a people & oppresses his own people? have you read what he says in his weekly speeches at home? best ruth On 9/25/07 2:27 PM, "Christopher Leland Winks" wrote: > Ruth -- are we talking about Bush or Ahmadinejad here? > >> he IS cunning--he has tried to get 500 centrifuges > > Last I heard, the US has quite an arsenal of nuclear weaponry. And they > dropped weapons of mass destruction on two separate cities of no military > value a few years back. (By the way, what's with the "cunning" bit? Ah, > those tricky Iranians -- ready to swindle you on a carpet deal like the bazaar > merchants they are). > > he imprisons >> dissendents. > > That's a new word on me. Anyway, how're things going these days at > Guantanamo, where people are certainly "dissended"? > > he calls his gvot a democracy but only people approved >> by the >> council are even allowed to run > > Yes, the Democrats and the Republicans, not to mention well-heeled donors, do > have a lock on the permissible candidates. > > he intimidates minorities. > > Katrina? See Bob Herbert's column in the Times. > > he is a >> thug. > > Sounds like our boy W. > > he >> wants to destroy israel. > > In truth, the Israeli government's doing a pretty good job of that already. > See Uri Avnery's writings. > > he uses language in the most slippery way. > > THAT doesn't sound like Bush, who can't even articulate. But here again, we > have the devious, effete Persians about their nefarious business, pulling the > wool over brave, plain-spoken Murican eyes. Press the start button on the > film "300" or whatever it was called. But wait! Poets use language in a > slippery way too! Can it be that, like Donald Rumsfeld, Ahmedinejad could > potentially subscribe to this list? > >> columbia is known for inviting 'leftists' even if they are dictators, >> which >> he is. > > Sorry, like it or not, he was fairly elected (probably more so than Bush in > either 2000 or 2004), and since "all politics is local," most of those voting > for him thought he would bring about an improvement in their economic > condition. That didn't happen. But because of all the "West's" hand-wringing > and saber-rattling (hard sometimes to tell them apart), the jerk has been able > to play the nationalist card. And if the far-right Ahmedinejad is a leftist, > I'm Dick Cheney. > > he had plenty of opportunity to speak at the UN, & to C. Rice, >> & on >> 60 Mins. w/out columbia inviting him & giving him a US forum which will >> reflect well on him in his own country--he will be seen as a powerful >> world >> leader who can get people in the US to applaud when he denies the Holocaust. > > Free speech -- gosh, what an inconvenience it is. Better we should only > listen to people we agree with; it's certainly more comforting. Anyway, what > gives you such insight into how Ahmedinejad will "be seen" by Iranians? A lot > of them are pretty sick of the guy. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:48:31 +1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Komninos Zervos Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > storyspace is a little more complex. >> you can link words to other words, for example, >> within the same page > >you can do that in html also. like this: > > >Click to go to 2 >. >. >. > >Click to go to 1 > >> and view the hypertext story >> like a visual map to see how the links establish a >> particular rhizomic structure. html is limited is this >> regard. > >i've seen html editers that let you view the links as visual maps. such as >ms frontpage. and web browsers that let you view the document's tag >structure as a collapsable/expandable tree. > >ja >http://vispo.com -- komninos zervos http://komninos.com.au that's why i've been teaching html code to first year arts students for 10 years. it helps in being able to code hypertexts but also once knowing how to code links the possibility for hypertexts greatly increases. it also is a great way of understanding the relation between text and it's graphic representation, thus introducing the concept of poly-semiotic reading of texts, especially when just as easily as text, images, sounds and animations can be introduced into the hypertext. for me learning about hypertexts, and there are plenty of universities teaching hypertext literature, is far better when students also learn how to construct these texts in html code. it is like learning about sonnets without a knowledge of their construction and structure. komninos ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:35:20 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: Walking & Writing Workshop/ Stanford Continuing Studies In-Reply-To: <000201c7facf$cfc8b500$6f5a1f00$@lovin@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you are living in the Bay Area, you are welcome to join my Walking & Writing workshop on the Stanford Campus as part of the Continuing Studies program. Dates: Saturday, October 20 and 27 from 10 to 4. We will explore parts of the campus, including a visit to look at walking poems in manuscript by Ginsberg and/or Creeley in the Library's Special Collection. "Light" walking, much writing, both quiet ambling and discussion. Should be fun and illuminating, as well. For further course description and enrollment info go to: http://www.continuingstudies.stanford.edu/course/WSP112.asp You may also contact me for more info. Let your friends know, too. Thanks, Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:49:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: SL - theoretical approaches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed SL - theoretical approaches Second Life behaviors come as animations which may eventually go down to the frame, but are packages in any case. There is a relation with older silent film and melodrama patterns - what have been dubbed histrionic gestures. A good text here is Bharata's Natyasastra, which discusses, among other things, rasa and pattern presentations. Patterns are used as generators of audience psychological response. The text not only considers patterns independently, but as group structures. Second Life bodies touch on the abject, but don't 'enter' within it; there are issues of purity and corruption. Buddhaghosa's Visuddhimagga, Path to Purity, is extremely important in this regard, especially in relation to illusion and suffering. There are also kasinas which are may be related to landscape 'focal points' in SL. A second important text is the Hevajra- tantra with its multiple bodies; it might be worth looking at the works of Tsong Ka-Pa in this regard as well. (Again, Kristeva's Powers of Horror, Lingis, Mary Douglas, all come to mind.) In terms of ontology, Nagarjuna's Mulamadhyamakakarika, The Fundamental Wisdom of the Middle Way, is critical, given its analysis of dependent (co)-origination ad emptiness. This correlates almost too neatly with the ontology and epistemology of protocols on one hand and the abject body on the other. Dependent (co)-origination can also be related to Indra's Net and the relation of the Net to the Internet as a collocation of nodes, at least on an epistemological level. One might ask what is the ontology of SL from _within_ protocols - and whether such a question makes any sense at all. To self-active an SL avatar - use the screen itself as vision, motion- detection across the image - feed this into AI neural networks - output back into SL through encoded behaviors. Note the ontological and epis- temological shifts involved: from digital readout through analog screen (2D) interpretation. Finally there are the old MOOs - MUDs-object-oriented, where MUDs stood for multi-user-dungeon (or some such - out of the old D&D gaming). MOOs are text-only virtual realities, somewhat similar to SL. One of the biggest differences: MOOs are open-source and can easily be set up on any linux/unix box. Now MOOs (like SL) have a system of unique identification tags for every object, player, etc., and this is hierarchical (much like unix itself, with the root / ). Explore the earliest numbers (which re- flect the sysadmins, wizards, MOO structure as a whole. Remap through dependent (co)-origination. (It should be noted that the Sharp Zaurus, which runs on embedded but easily terminal-accessible linux, has a file structure which 'resonates' with itself - one can literally go in circles through it. How can one think through these dependencies, proxies, etc.?) This might be a way of clarifying the philosophical issues - for example, one might think of both absolute and relative ontologies (much like URLs) - and then how the former maps onto the latter, or how all of this dis- appears. (Just as things disappear, mathematical objects appear to appear. So problems related to SL and avatars: the mapping of protocols, networks in relation to the visual; to mathesis and abstract ontologies; and to hardware implementations: static (ROM or storage where configuration is mapped thing that is read as virtual thing), and dynamic (where transmis- sion dynamics, ontologies, and economies are paramount). ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:01:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group Comments: RFC822 error: Invalid RFC822 field - "Readings". Rest of header flushed. From: Matt Henriksen Subject: Fri 9/24 :: Dorothea Lasky & Laura Solomon :: NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dor= The Burning Chair=0AReadings =0Ainvite you to spend some=0Atime w/=0A=0ADor= othea Lasky & Laura=0ASolomon =0A=0AFriday, September 28th,=0A8PM =0AJimmy= =92s No. 43 Stage=0A43 East 7th=0AStreet=0ABetween 2nd &=0A3rd =0ANew York = City=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ADorothea Lasky= was born in St. Louis, MO in=0A1978. Her first full-length collection, AW= E (Wave Books), will be=0Aout in the fall of 2007. She is the author of th= ree chapbooks: The=0AHatmaker's Wife (Braincase Press, 2006), Art (H_NGM_N = Press, 2005),=0Aand Alphabets and Portraits (Anchorite Press, 2004). Her p= oems=0Ahave appeared in jubilat, Crowd, 6x6, Boston Review, Delmar, Phoebe,= Filter,=0AKnock, Drill, Lungfull!, and Carve, among others. 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Answers - Check it ou= t.=0Ahttp://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545469 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:01:05 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: Re: Xenakis at Target and the True Artist In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed You probably would have, had you heard it live in the store; it had astonishing similarities...- Alan On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, mIEKAL aND wrote: > Very interesting how naming this xxxXenakis immediately frames the listening > experience. When I listen with Xenakis in mind I immediately hear a direct > connection & that sense of sprawling sonic architecture. However if you had > named this something other like whiningbrats.mp3 I'm pretty sure I wouldn't > have made the connection. > > ~mIEKAL > > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 8:58 PM, Alan Sondheim wrote: > >> Xenakis at Target >> >> The True Artist finds Inspiration everywhere. Here I was, in the popular >> Target "Department Store" searching for inexpensive miniDV tapes, when I >> noticed the speaker system began acting up in a most unusual way, as if it >> were consciously imitating the famed composer Xenakis. What to do, what to >> do! I quickly took out my surround-sound Zoom H2 solid-state audio recor- >> der, and began recording the remarkable Sound, as I paced from speaker to >> speaker, passing shoppers who paid little attention to the Beauty in their >> midst. Now my only hope is one of them, perhaps someone purchasing toys or >> kitchenware, will come across these files, and realize, with a sense of >> Loss and Ecstasy, what they had missed, and what has been returned. Ah, >> how little Memory is necessary when the hard molecular structure of the >> World gives us the Gift of the Past, space-time at our fingertips, silent >> Beauty sounding once again. >> >> http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakis.mp3 >> http://www.asondheim.org/targetxenakisb.mp3 >> > > The covers of this book are too far apart. -- Ambrose Bierce > ======================================================================= Work on YouTube, blog at http://nikuko.blogspot.com . Tel 718-813-3285. Webpage directory http://www.asondheim.org . Email: sondheim@panix.com. http://clc.as.wvu.edu:8080/clc/Members/sondheim for theory; also check WVU Zwiki, Google for recent. Write for info on books, cds, performance, dvds, etc. ============================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:42:27 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Re: Hypertext/ Html - Text Recomendations In-Reply-To: <46F97F2D.90807@iwu.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > It may well be the case that just about anything that Storyspace can do > can also be done in HTML and add-ons like javascript. Yes. > This is true even > of a feature that no other hypertext editor has, guard fields (which > allow you to construct a page such that the first time you come to the > page and click a link you go one place, whereas the second time you come > to a page the same link will take you to another place...a very powerful > tool for structuring the reader's experience). But you have to do the > scripting yourself, or find someone else's and apply it...very tricky. Robert Kendall developed Javascript code for just this sort of thing. It's freely downloadable at http://www.wordcircuits.com/connect . The project is called The Connection Muse. Robert has been quite involved with hypertext for many years, so I suspect this project was at least partially inspired by some StorySpace features. > And let it be said that there are plenty of things that HTML will do > that Storyspace doesn't do, or doesn't do as easily. I don't wish to denigrate StorySpace. I think it was clearly ahead of its time. It was such a good idea that it wasn't long before browsers such as Mosaic and so on were developed. And, since then, I can't begin to estimate the number of significantly talented information architects, computer scientists, programmers, artists, and others who have put uncounted person-years into the development of the technologies of the Web, such as HTML, browsers, HTML editors, Javascript, Director, Flash, Java, and on and on. An entire economic boom history was predicated on it. So it is little wonder that the contemporary versions of hypertext and the accompanying contemporary tools outstrip StorySpace by leaps and bounds, when we consider the truly massive developmental efforts put into these technologies compared with the resources available to the people who put StorySpace together. StorySpace has an important place in the history of hypertext. > All of which is to say the obvious, that all of these tools do different > things. And that it's creatively fructifying to try them out when you > have the chance. Agreed. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:34:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Nico Vassilakis Subject: sUBTEXT sEATTLE = Kathleen Fraser & Crystal Curry Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Subtext continues its monthly reading series with readings by Kathleen Fraser and Crystal Curry at our new home at the Chapel Performance Space on 3 October 2007. Donations for admission will be taken at the door on the evening of the performance. The reading starts at 7:30pm. Kathleen Fraser is the author of over 20 books of poetry and the critical book "Translating the Unspeakable: Poetry and the Innovative Necessity." She is the publisher of two journals devoted to the interface between critical scholarship and experimental writing: How(ever) and its electronic sequel HOW2. She founded the American Poetry Archives at San Francisco State University, where she is emeritus. She has received two NEA awards and a Guggenheim. Her recent books are "h idde violeth i dde violet," "Discrete Categories Forced Into Coupling," and "Witness." Read poems, essays and an interview at the Electronic Poetry Center: http://epc.buffalo.edu/authors/fraser/. Read an exchange with poet Patrick Pritchett at Jacket Magazine: http://jacketmagazine.com/31/lett-prit-fras.html. Crystal Curry lives in Seattle. A graduate of the Iowa Writer's Workshop, her poems have appeared in the Denver Quarterly, The Tiny, The Hat, Verse, Conduit, The Bedazzler, and other journals. Read her poems on-line at The Bedazzler(http://www.wavepoetry.com/bedazzler/2) and Action,Yes (http://www.actionyes.org/issue1/curry/curry1.htm). The future Subtext schedule is: November 7, 2007 Golden Handcuffs Review Reading - Seattle Issue Launch December 5, 2007 Alison Knowles (New York) - co-presented with nonsequitur February 6, 2008 Hank Lazer (Tuscaloosa, AL) & TBA March 5, 2008 Steve McCaffery (Toronto/Buffalo) & TBA +++ For info on these & other Subtext events, see our website: http://subtextreadingseries.blogspot.com or http://www.speakeasy.org/~subtext ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:11:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Poetry, Art, and the Book: a Conference at Yale Univeristy In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And the Yale Collection also may be the only place that has the reel- to-reel archives of Anne Sexton's rock band, Anne Sexton and her kind--if you consider that a strength. When I was doing some detective work (because the PSA in NYC wanted me to recreate her rock band, well, before Alice Quinn took over---long story--), I couldn't find it anywhere in NYC and luckily Caroline Crumpacker and I found it in Yale (even if they wouldn't let us make a recording of it, but we had to sit in the rare tape room). Chris On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Joel Bettridge wrote: > The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library and the Arts of the Book > Collection at Yale University invite historians, literary scholars, > poets, > artists, publishers, and book arts enthusiasts to participate in > Metaphor > Taking Shape: Poetry, Art, and the Book, a symposium to be held on > March 13 > & 14, 2008, on the campus of Yale University. Speakers will include > Carolee > Campbell, Macy Chadwick, Steve Clay, Simon Cutts, Johanna Drucker, Ann > Lauterbach, Anna Moschovakis, Chad Oness, Kyle Schelessinger, Buzz > Spector, > C. D. Wright, and John Yau. The symposium will highlight strengths > of the > Yale Arts of the Book Collection and the Modern European and American > collections at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library in the > accompanying exhibitions: "Metaphor Taking Shape: Poetry, Art, and the > Book" at the Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library, and "The > Publisher's Roundtable: Book Artists in Dialogue" at the Arts of > the Book > Collection. > > Additional details are available online: > http://beinecke.library.yale.edu/metaphor/index.html > > For more information about Poetry at Beinecke Library visit: > http://beineckepoetry.wordpress.com/ > > Nancy Kuhl > Associate Curator, Yale Collection of American Literature > The Beinecke Rare Book and Manuscript Library > Yale University > 121 Wall Street, P.O. Box 208240 > New Haven, CT 06520-8240 > Phone: 203.432.2966 > > African American Studies at Beinecke Library: > http://beineckejwj.wordpress.com/ > Poetry at Beinecke Library: http://beineckepoetry.wordpress.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:32:57 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Elizabeth Switaj Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, no, he's actually planning to attack Canada. Haven't you heard him railing against maple leaves and ice hockey? It's not in most of the English-language versions of his speeches that you see, but there are some direct translations out there that include it. Also, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't states. States still have a few more rights (or apparent rights) than they do. On 9/26/07, George Bowering wrote: > > > and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's > > next: America. > > Oh God, yes. Those horrible Persians might attack "America" [I think > you mean the US] > in one of its states, say Iraq, or Afghanistan,. > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:53:28 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Andy Gricevich Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The architecture boat tour was great when I took it (you go to Navy Pier and wander around--it's just south of the massive thing--can you tell I don't live in Chicago?), though the tour guide was a friend with subversive political tendencies who gave us a lot of dirt on the origins of those buildings, and he now lives in Italy. If you need late night Mexican food, El Charro (on Milwaukee Ave., near Logan Square) has great chilaquiles. I don't like slam poetry at all, but the Green Mill slam is not only the origin of the thing, but a blast--the readers tend to be much less focused on out-hipping each other than at other slams I've witnessed, and are great entertainers. It's like if standup comedy were good. Marc Smith is an amazing emcee and a great host. Devon Street has about thirty of the best Indian restaurants in the country, all within a few blocks. Plenty of vegetarian-friendly Indian buffets at lunch and dinner (some of them continuing until 10 or 11 at night). Pretty far north in the city, but worth it. The Neo-Futurists put on "Too Much Light Makes the Baby Go Blind" every weekend. The format is: thirty plays in sixty minutes, with the audience choosing the order. The bad plays are like lame Saturday Night Live skits or high school angst poems. The good ones range from the merely hilarious to the aesthetically complex and amazing. It happens, I think, at 11 or 12 Fri. & Sat., and at 7 or 8 on Sun. My introduction to Chicago in high school, and well worth it. The Neo-Futurarium is at Ashland & Foster. Around the corner are the first Middle Eastern restaurants I ever ate at; Andie's is really good. There's probably other good theater going on there as well. If you're interested, ignore the Chicago Reader critics and just look at the listings. Series A has good poets reading, as does the U of C. I never make it down for those. The Art Institute is indeed a must, one of the better big museums I've been to. Take the el train downtown though; I don't know if you'll be driving, but parking is, when available, horrifically expensive. I like Chicago. have fun! Andy --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:17:58 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: daniel ereditario Subject: New at Meshworks MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline New at Meshworks = Feature: SoundEye 2007 [Fanny Howe][Jow Lindsay & Jamelia Wigmore][Cai Tianxin & Trevor Joyce][Maurice Scully] http://www.orgs.muohio.edu/meshworks/archive/SoundEye-2007 =Allen Fisher [a reading from SoundEye in 2005] http://www.orgs.muohio.edu/meshworks/archive/soundeye/fisher-allen/ =Martin Corless-Smith [a number of poems including some set to be published as *English Fragments/A Brief History of the Soul* ] http://www.orgs.muohio.edu/meshworks/archive/miami/corless-smith-martin/ =YouTube & Us [a selection of our library now appears on YouTube to ensure mass distribution] http://youtube.com/user/meshworks ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:30:42 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: J Crockett Subject: happy green web hosting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *http://dreamhost.com* * use code --- 10ten10diez10dix10dieci10shi $119 nominal price for $9.30 @ 1 year of awesome green hosting with 1 free domain name registration included act fast * ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:44:32 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: This Friday in Brooklyn .... In-Reply-To: <9778b8630709250741n6c60ab0dr1967a53e5bc5bd2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MiPOesias presents ~~ CHRISTOPHER STACKHOUSE , ARACELIS GIRMAY and DURIEL E. HARRIS ~~ Hosted by Evie Shockley, Quest Editor Friday, September 28th @ 7 P.M. ~~ ARACELIS GIRMAY writes poetry, fiction, & essays. Originally from Santa Ana , California , she earned degrees from Connecticut College & NYU. Girmay is a Cave Canem Fellow & former Watson Fellow. Her poems have been published in Callaloo, Bellevue Literary Review, Indiana Review, and Ploughshares, among others. Her book of poems, Teeth, will be published by Curbstone Press: summer, 2007. CHRISTOPHER STACKHOUSE the author of "Slip" (Corollary Press, 2005) and co-author with writer John Keene on the collaborative book "Seismosis" (1913 Press, 2006), which features Keene 's text and Stackhouse's drawings. He is an editor for literary journal Fence Magazine, a Cave Canem Writer Fellow, a 2005 Fellow in Poetry New York Foundation For The Arts, and Bard College , Milton Avery Graduate School of the Arts, M.F.A. Writing Candidate. Heralded as one of three Chicago poets for the 21st century by WBEZ Chicago Public Radio, DURIEL E. HARRIS is a co-founder of the Black Took Collective and Poetry Editor for Obsidian III. Drag (Elixir Press, 2003), her first book, was hailed by Black Issues Book Review as one of the best poetry volumes of the year. She is currently at work on AMNESIAC, a media art project (poetry volume, DVD, sound recording, website) funded in part by the University of California Santa Barbara Center for Black Studies Race and Technology Initiative. AMNESIAC writings appear or are forthcoming in Stone Canoe, nocturnes, The Encyclopedia Project, Mixed Blood, and The Ringing Ear. A performing poet/sound artist, Harris is a Cave Canem fellow, recent resident at The MacDowell Colony, and member of the free jazz ensemble Douglas Ewart & Inventions. She teaches English at St. Lawrence University in upstate New York . ~~~~~~~ STAIN BAR 766 Grand Street Brooklyn , NY 11211 (L train to Grand Street Stop, walk 1 block west) 718/387-7840 http://www.stainbar.com/ ~~~~~~~~ Read QUEST here ----> http://www.mipoesias.com/EVIESHOCKLEYISSUE/ Hope you'll stop by! Amy King Editor http://www.mipoesias.com **please forward** **apologies for cross-posting** --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:18:54 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit if he plans to attack Florida, especially ORLANDO FL, i'm signing onto the REVOLUTION. JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Elizabeth Switaj wrote: No, no, he's actually planning to attack Canada. Haven't you heard him railing against maple leaves and ice hockey? It's not in most of the English-language versions of his speeches that you see, but there are some direct translations out there that include it. Also, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't states. States still have a few more rights (or apparent rights) than they do. On 9/26/07, George Bowering wrote: > > > and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's > > next: America. > > Oh God, yes. Those horrible Persians might attack "America" [I think > you mean the US] > in one of its states, say Iraq, or Afghanistan,. > --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:38:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage Ann Bogle wrote: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia by Jayati Vora ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:12:57 -0700 Reply-To: linda norton Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: linda norton Subject: Re: Poetry, Art, and the Book: a Conference at Yale Univeristy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, Funny story about Sexton-- I'm including the link to my essay and collages on the Counterpath Press web site. This is a version of the talk I gave at Gloria Frym's house in February. Part of a bigger project. Linda Linda Norton NEW WORK (words and images) at http://www.counterpathpress.org/cpathonline/issue%202/splash2.html (When you get there, click on the title of the essay, and keep clicking on NEXT as you get to the bottom of each page.) http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/about.html ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:41:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: a great piece on photography/war/the posed & the documentary by erroll morris MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just yesterday I was looking at the image discussed in this article and thinking about how the proliferation of methods of surviellance and recording, of video cameras, mics, drones, all sorts of portable and huge military apparati are being deployed to present "evidence" or/of attacks, actions and also how these are used to "profile" and "sort" people. As much as anything can be "documented," it can also be "posed," faked, "set-up," "framed." Documentation can create erasures, insert people or things that were not actually there in "real time," "translations" like those supplied to the American media by MEMRI can be filled with dis-translations, planted articles, from 'eal" sources. "Now you see it, now you don't." The discrepancy between the eye witness (whose account is valued or devalued depending on whose side they are on) and those of the "superior" machines which are "objective" except for the facts of their being specifically aimed, focused, edited, enlarged, shaded, and so forth. Which one, who, "witnessed the event"? This is a fascinating article is it investigates not only the images but the language used by the various "experts" on the two images. How much of what one sees is one being continually trained to see by the proliferation of images across the media one encounters every day? How many things one passes by daily that are not seen or heard or read because of the disciplining of the senses? And how many inserted there due to presuppositions, preconceptions? The article is about the photograph known as "The Valley of the Shadow of Death"-- it could be called--"The Valley of the Shadow of (a) Doubt"-- http://morris.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/25/which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg-part-one/index.html?th&emc=th --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:00:44 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME In-Reply-To: <420bb159aa15a5d8147a484233c10eba@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit lutefisk is the regional signature dish of minnesota. so far, however, i've managed to avoid it, and all other church supper favorites. George Bowering wrote: > Rachel didn't mention that you bury this lutefish in lye in a hole, > and dig it up much later. > What does the kitchen smell like, Rachel? > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Rachel Loden wrote: > >> Okay, a work of genius. I will admit that with some difficulty. But >> I bet >> Blowering never spent Christmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating >> lutefisk. >> >> Lutefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it into a sort of >> gelatinous mass: >> >> >> So much depends >> upon >> >> a grey lye >> fish >> >> glazed with K-Y >> jelly >> >> beside the white >> in-laws. >> >> >> Maria wrote: >> >>> a work of genius! >>> >>> George Bowering wrote: >>>> So much depends upon >>>> a dead green herring >>>> beside the boiled eggs >>>> on a Swedish table. >>> >> >> > G. Bowering, DLitt. > I still haven't opened it. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:47:00 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Architecture tour IS a must and it leaves from the Chicago River, acros= s the street from the Wrigley Building and across the River from the Tribun= e Tower. I'd grown up in Chicago and did not take the tour until last year = and was blown away. Also, Frank Lloyd Wright's home and office is in Oak Pa= rk, just west of the Chicago city limits and is well worth the time. Do the= walking tour as well. There are many Wright homes in that neighborhood.=0A= =0AI'd also suggest the view from the Hancock. If you go to the 95th floor = at sunset, you can have a drink in the restaurant there with AMAZING views = of the city and three other states on a good day.=0A=0APaul=0A =0APaul E. N= elson, M.A. =0A=0AGlobal Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentences=0AOrgan= ic Poetry=0APoetry Postcard Blog=0A=0ASlaughter, WA 253.735.6328 or 888.735= .6328=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Andy Gricevich =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007= 10:53:28 PM=0ASubject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago?=0A=0AThe architecture = boat tour was great when I took it (you go to Navy Pier and wander around--= it's just south of the massive thing--can you tell I don't live in Chicago?= ), though the tour guide was a friend with subversive political tendencies = who gave us a lot of dirt on the origins of those buildings, and he now liv= es in Italy. =0A=0AIf you need late night Mexican food, El Charro (on Milwa= ukee Ave., near Logan Square) has great chilaquiles. =0A=0AI don't like sla= m poetry at all, but the Green Mill slam is not only the origin of the thin= g, but a blast--the readers tend to be much less focused on out-hipping eac= h other than at other slams I've witnessed, and are great entertainers. It'= s like if standup comedy were good. Marc Smith is an amazing emcee and a gr= eat host. =0A=0ADevon Street has about thirty of the best Indian restaurant= s in the country, all within a few blocks. Plenty of vegetarian-friendly In= dian buffets at lunch and dinner (some of them continuing until 10 or 11 at= night). Pretty far north in the city, but worth it.=0A=0AThe Neo-Futurists= put on "Too Much Light Makes the Baby Go Blind" every weekend. The format = is: thirty plays in sixty minutes, with the audience choosing the order. Th= e bad plays are like lame Saturday Night Live skits or high school angst po= ems. The good ones range from the merely hilarious to the aesthetically com= plex and amazing. It happens, I think, at 11 or 12 Fri. & Sat., and at 7 or= 8 on Sun. My introduction to Chicago in high school, and well worth it. Th= e Neo-Futurarium is at Ashland & Foster. Around the corner are the first Mi= ddle Eastern restaurants I ever ate at; Andie's is really good. =0A=0AThere= 's probably other good theater going on there as well. If you're interested= , ignore the Chicago Reader critics and just look at the listings. =0A=0ASe= ries A has good poets reading, as does the U of C. I never make it down for= those.=0A=0AThe Art Institute is indeed a must, one of the better big muse= ums I've been to. Take the el train downtown though; I don't know if you'll= be driving, but parking is, when available, horrifically expensive. =0A=0A= I like Chicago. =0A=0Ahave fun!=0A=0AAndy=0A=0A=0A=0A =0A------------= ---------------------=0AGot a little couch potato? =0ACheck out fun summer = activities for kids.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:02:01 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: 3 works trying to get along with nature somehow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 3 works trying to get along with nature somehow http://www.asondheim.org/cricketvector.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/vector.mp3 http://www.asondheim.org/choravector.mp3 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:46:27 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Christopher Leland Winks Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ruth -- Of course Ahmadinejad speaks for local consumption, trying to keep the (entirely understandable) nationalism of Iranians to the forefront so they will overlook his ineptitude in other areas. Again, he's not on the left. And the business about "inviting all thugs" -- I'd wager that Alvaro Uribe, President of Colombia whose government has some ties to real paramilitary death squads (worse than the admittedly thuggish Revolutionary Guards in Iran out of which Ahmadinejad came), has made at least a couple of appearances at Columbia (or NYU) without the Daily News or the New York Post frothing at the mouth over it or Lee Bollinger acting like a rude host with no home training. I don't defend the guy; he's a buffoon and a repressive right-winger with uncanny similarities to the apocalyptic religious right in this country (many of whom are gung-ho defenders of Israel for their own bizarre theological reasons -- be careful of the company you keep, it may rub off): did you know that he is counting on the return of the Twelfth Imam sometime soon and has spent millions of dollars refurbishing some monument or other in Iran for that purpose? Sure, he oppresses his own people, but Iranians (like people everywhere) tend to be much smarter than those governing them, and they will be the ones to suffer from any US attack (the possibility of which you conveniently overlook). And neither should we get all self-righteous about the man's bizarre denialism -- remember the bit about motes and beams in the eyes? Let's look at all the other Holocausts that have happened in history (the Middle Passage? the conquest of the Americas? colonialism? wars in the Congo that have claimed at least 4,000,000 lives in just a few years without too much fuss in a developed world that depends on that region for the coltan that makes their cellphones work?) And let's also look at the refusal of the US warmongers in Iraq to consider the human costs of their policies: the civilian deaths (which they don't keep track of) and the massive internal displacement and external migrations. THAT is denialism on a lethal level, and deserves somewhat more of our attention than the rhetorical excesses of a guy who in any case will probably be out of power in a couple of years, unless the US gives him an excuse to declare emergency measures. As the Mexicans say, "God creates the m and they get together." Or as Groucho Marx said, "Hey, you big bully, why are you hitting that little bully?" All best, Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:05:38 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Carol Novack Subject: NYC WORKSHOP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline LYRICAL FICTION WRITING WORKSHOP facilitated by experienced workshop leader, well-published poet and prose writer, multi-media e-journal publisher/editor, reading series curator NYC: Greenwich Village/Chelsea to be offered this Fall/early Winter Email for details re fees, frequency, dates/times. Goal: maximum 8 participants, 8-10 sessions. Two sessions on performance reading will either be included as an option or made available as a separate short course. The discovery and development of one's authentic voice/s through surrender to process is a liberating experience, sometimes exhausting, but always energizing in the deepest sense. This workshop will sharpen narrative writing skills, with a focus on process and language, language as music and visual art, via discussions, writing exercises, prompts, and readings of other authors' prose, as well as prose and poetry by participants. How can we tap into our unique thinking, feeling and knowing processes to discover and develop our own special voices, create prose that sings and images that startle, delight, and disturb? This workshop is for intermediate and advanced writers interested in exploring what they can do with language within the context of narrative prose. It is also a stimulating and inspiring course for those who suffer from so-called writers' block. -- MAD HATTERS' REVIEW: Edgy & Enlightened Literature, Art & Music in the Age of Dementia: http://www.madhattersreview.com http://carolnovack.blogspot.com/ CD Review & Interview: http://www.outsiderwriters.org/content/view/319/1/ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:09:57 -0400 Reply-To: sherwood@iup.edu Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Kenneth Sherwood Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad and Nukes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'd like to think we can know something about the situation without ourselves visiting Iran. Studying the eyes or the press appearances of a political figure seems a dangerous way of taking measure, a tactic worthy of President Bush actually. Whatever kind of man he may be, and despite the often outrageous rhetoric, fixating on the surfaces is a great way to make sure you lose the shell game. http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2007/09/ahmadinejad_a_w_1.php http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/News/2007/bog121007.html http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/spotlight1.htm http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=236043 http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=129505 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:46:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi Chris, Certainly most of what you say is undeniable. I don't dispute it. But bec the right in some other countries & in our own does so many despicable things doesn't mean we have to defend someone who is horrible, do we? Certainly history is covered with billions of bodies of those killed in holocausts, but why eve give a denier of the Nazi holocaust a voice? do we have to give everyone no matter how uncaring about human life a voice by inviting him to speak? no one is stopping him from speaking at the UN & on TV--isn't that enough? he got what he wanted. Best, Ruth On 9/26/07 2:46 PM, "Christopher Leland Winks" wrote: > Ruth -- Of course Ahmadinejad speaks for local consumption, trying to keep the > (entirely understandable) nationalism of Iranians to the forefront so they > will overlook his ineptitude in other areas. Again, he's not on the left. > And the business about "inviting all thugs" -- I'd wager that Alvaro Uribe, > President of Colombia whose government has some ties to real paramilitary > death squads (worse than the admittedly thuggish Revolutionary Guards in Iran > out of which Ahmadinejad came), has made at least a couple of appearances at > Columbia (or NYU) without the Daily News or the New York Post frothing at the > mouth over it or Lee Bollinger acting like a rude host with no home training. > > I don't defend the guy; he's a buffoon and a repressive right-winger with > uncanny similarities to the apocalyptic religious right in this country (many > of whom are gung-ho defenders of Israel for their own bizarre theological > reasons -- be careful of the company you keep, it may rub off): did you know > that he is counting on the return of the Twelfth Imam sometime soon and has > spent millions of dollars refurbishing some monument or other in Iran for that > purpose? Sure, he oppresses his own people, but Iranians (like people > everywhere) tend to be much smarter than those governing them, and they will > be the ones to suffer from any US attack (the possibility of which you > conveniently overlook). > > And neither should we get all self-righteous about the man's bizarre denialism > -- remember the bit about motes and beams in the eyes? Let's look at all the > other Holocausts that have happened in history (the Middle Passage? the > conquest of the Americas? colonialism? wars in the Congo that have claimed at > least 4,000,000 lives in just a few years without too much fuss in a developed > world that depends on that region for the coltan that makes their cellphones > work?) And let's also look at the refusal of the US warmongers in Iraq to > consider the human costs of their policies: the civilian deaths (which they > don't keep track of) and the massive internal displacement and external > migrations. THAT is denialism on a lethal level, and deserves somewhat more > of our attention than the rhetorical excesses of a guy who in any case will > probably be out of power in a couple of years, unless the US gives him an > excuse to declare emergency measures. As the Mexicans say, "God creates the > m and they get together." Or as Groucho Marx said, "Hey, you big bully, why > are you hitting that little bully?" > > All best, > > Chris ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:26:43 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: <296471.83544.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit but he imprisons & kills dissidents. he wants to kill all jews. he is a holocaust denier. he is a narcissist who loves publicity & a charleton who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. you assume what he said is sincere? he prob will not be chosen as pres again & anyway haas less power than the ayatolah, who does have the power to start a nuclear war. he got in the the promise of boosting the economy & has done n othing in that regard--things have gotten worse. where is the revolution? On 9/26/07 10:38 AM, "Thomas savage" wrote: > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. As > for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie Rose's > program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out by the > American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's speaking > for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many other things > are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many things. But > I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than from America's > newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > Ann Bogle wrote: > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > by Jayati Vora > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:28:07 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: <768683.54406.qm@web52410.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Well, Canada has never been attacked by Iran, but has been attacked 4 times by the USA. g On Sep 26, 2007, at 7:18 AM, steve russell wrote: > if he plans to attack Florida, especially ORLANDO FL, i'm signing onto > the REVOLUTION. > JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Elizabeth Switaj wrote: > No, no, he's actually planning to attack Canada. Haven't you heard > him > railing against maple leaves and ice hockey? It's not in most of the > English-language versions of his speeches that you see, but there are > some > direct translations out there that include it. > > Also, Iraq and Afghanistan aren't states. States still have a few more > rights (or apparent rights) than they do. > > On 9/26/07, George Bowering wrote: >> >>> and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's >>> next: America. >> >> Oh God, yes. Those horrible Persians might attack "America" [I think >> you mean the US] >> in one of its states, say Iraq, or Afghanistan,. >> > > > > --------------------------------- > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > > George Harry de Bowering Will happily eat an endangered cod. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:13:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Andy Campbell: Dim O'Gauble MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Here's a terrific new piece by Andy Campbell called Dim O'Gauble: http://www.dreamingmethods.com/uploads/dimogauble Move the mouse around before clicking stuff. I'm a big fan of Andy Campbell's work. The attention he puts into every element--the writing, the visuals, the sound, the interaction, the navigation--is unusually strong. The atmospheres of his work are strongly his, not of Flash or the browser or whatever. Also, he has been at it for a long time. As you see at http://www.dreamingmethods.com/?idno=3 , he started out doing digital fiction on the Amiga. From the start, he's been interested in a synthesis of text and visuals. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:37:30 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sept 25 In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On Sep 26, 2007, at 12:46 PM, Ruth Lepson wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Certainly most of what you say is undeniable. I don't dispute it. But > bec > the right in some other countries & in our own does so many despicable > things doesn't mean we have to defend someone who is horrible, do we? Pay attention. No one contended that. > Certainly history is covered with billions of bodies of those killed in > holocausts, but why eve give a denier of the Nazi holocaust a voice? > do we > have to give everyone no matter how uncaring about human life a voice > by > inviting him to speak? A pretty good idea, if (1) we want to get a line on him, and (2) if we are against the suppression of speech, and want to show that we are. > no one is stopping him from speaking at the UN & on > TV--isn't that enough? he got what he wanted. Oh, and we allowed George Bush, a murderer a 1000 times worse, speak to the Canadian parliament. > George Bowering, M.A. Acclaimed for his modesty. G. Harry Bowering, Born to hit opposite-field singles. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:02:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Dan Waber Subject: massive paradigm shift Comments: To: announce@logolalia.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Short version for the attention challenged: If you want none, say nothing. This is all about opt-in. But please do feel invited, you are. I'm doing something a little different, in order to be proactive in dealing with a large swathe of my frustrations with the patterns of my current communication and information gathering/dissemination. It's not working for me, and I want to change it rather than continue to be frustrated with it. What I'll be doing over the course of the next couple of days is leaving all the mailing lists, community sites, messaging systems and feed readers I've used in the past. I'm going into more of a broadcast-only-plus-private-email mode. I'm really good at handling/processing emails. I'm not as good at dealing with everything else, and over the past year or so the overall signal-to-noise ratio has brought me to the realization that I'd much rather be spending my finite amount of time in this world more efficiently. I'm telling you this for a couple of reasons: 1) I'd like for you to realize that from here on out I won't see your announcements or other communications unless you email them to me at dwaber@logolalia.com. Please do not forward me other people's announcements unless you're reasonably certain there's no way they (or someone else) hasn't already sent it to me. Use your judgment, and err on the side of not-sending. Definitely don't send me anything whose subject line looks like: FW: FW: FW: TRULY AMAZING PICS!!!!! or any kind of PowerPoint Presentation. Please do not send large attachments to that/this email address. I prefer to receive large attachments as links to files that can be downloaded, through a large file sending service such as yousendit.com, or if neither of those is practical for you, please send them to logolalia.announce@gmail.com. "Large" means anything much bigger than a megabyte. If you'd like me to see the large attachment right away, please send a text email to dwaber@logolalia.com to let me know you've sent something to the gmail account as I don't regularly check it. 2) I'd like for you to know that you can receive snail mail art and snail mailed announcements from me from time to time if you'll provide me with your current mailing address. It costs nothing but your expression of interest. If you received Kite Tail Press publication #22 back in May/June of this year, I have that address. If you did not, I don't have it. 3) If you'd like to have email notifications of what I'm up to on a semi-regular basis, please take a moment to send me an email at dwaber@logolalia.com to opt-in to one or more of the following: a) when I have new work on the web b) when I have new work in print/gallery/performance c) Paper Kite Press/Gallery/Studio events (if you're already on the pkp.announce@gmail.com list please don't opt-in to this as it will only duplicate those emails) d) oddball projects and things that need beta testers or people to act as sounding boards for ideas that need reality-checking e) family related things f) all of the above If you do not wish to receive any email notifications of any kind, you do not need to do anything. That is the default I will be assuming. If you want none, say nothing. Please only opt-in to the aspects you are genuinely interested in receiving news about. You may, of course, change your preferences at any time, but, because I have no desire to be sending anyone anything they're not interested in, I will not be sending anything to anyone (even if you're sure I know you're interested) who hasn't specifically opted-in. No one. My feelings won't be hurt, really. 4) If you'd like to receive notification when the minimalist concrete poetry site, the ars poetica site, the mail art site, the beasties site, the abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz site, the altered books site, or most any other site at logolalia.com is updated, please find yourself a good RSS feed reader. I can recommend netvibes.com from experience, but the options are myriad--heck, your browser may even do it. The only exception to that is the cantoos, which do not generate an RSS feed, and never will. I invite you to visit them at your leisure, wherever you find it. That's how they're best experienced. Thank you for your time (if you made it this far, or made it through anything else I've sent your way over the years), I look forward to corresponding directly with any and all interested, and wish the rest of you all the joy your joy receptors can handle. Regards, Dan ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:02:02 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've read the link. His remarks seem deliberately coy. I guess there isn't a revolution. Perhaps it's a counter revolution, although considering the history of Iran, it's hard to determine what exactly is counter-revolutionary. So much for attacking Florida... I had my hopes... disallusionment, lick me... Ruth Lepson wrote: but he imprisons & kills dissidents. he wants to kill all jews. he is a holocaust denier. he is a narcissist who loves publicity & a charleton who speaks out of both sides of his mouth. you assume what he said is sincere? he prob will not be chosen as pres again & anyway haas less power than the ayatolah, who does have the power to start a nuclear war. he got in the the promise of boosting the economy & has done n othing in that regard--things have gotten worse. where is the revolution? On 9/26/07 10:38 AM, "Thomas savage" wrote: > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. As > for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie Rose's > program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out by the > American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's speaking > for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many other things > are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many things. But > I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than from America's > newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > Ann Bogle wrote: > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > by Jayati Vora > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:27:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: John HOllander/New York Times/resignations MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm resigning from the mid-east debate due to incompetence. Check out the flap at the Poetry Society of America, ( New York Times ). It seems that John Hollander has pulled of the equivalent of the Imus "Nappy headed ho" remark. Amazing. What wonderful times we live in. I guess the idiot hasn't read Yusef K or Rita Dove, to mention merely 2 superstars. He pissed off more then Afro American poets. He referred to cultures without literature-- West African, Mexican, and Central American. He needs a refresher course. He should read Octavia Paz. --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:36:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lcabri@UWINDSOR.CA Subject: Mark Truscott Transparency Machine Event 1st Oct Windsor-Detroit MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Toronto poet Mark Truscott will be reading and discussing his poetry as part of the Transparency Machine Reading Series, in the Oak Room of Vanier Hall, University of Windsor, on Monday 1st October at 3:00 PM. All welcome to this free public event. The Transparency Machine Reading Series invites a poet to discuss his or her work in the context of other texts selected by the poet. These texts are available for download from English News&Events at < http://web4.uwindsor.ca/english>. Mark Truscott's first book, Said Like Reeds or Things (Coach House, 2004), was shortlisted for a ReLit award and received an Alcuin citation for Darren Wershler-Henry's design. Poems appear in Pissing Ice: An Anthology of 'New' Canadian Poets (BookThug, 2004) and Shift & Switch: New Canadian Poetry (Mercury, 2005). In Toronto, he curates the Test Reading Series, < http://www.testreading.org/>. The Transparency Machine Reading Series is a discussion event by poets about the practice and theory of writing poetry -- including practices and theories of prefixing poetry ("anti-"; "non-"), adjectivizing poetry ("poetic"), and capitalizing poetry (first letter; letters at random). Poetry prismatically refracts social, political, scientific, aesthetic languages, transforming them into something exciting and strange. How does poetic form do that? This new poetry discussion series explores questions about the language of poetry. The series aims to offer readers and writers a multi-dimensional experience of the shapes and sounds of contemporary poetry by inviting leading and emerging innovative practitioners of the art. This event is sponsored by the Canada Council and the Department of English Language, Literature, and Creative Writing. For further information, please contact lcabri@uwindsor.ca. From Said Like Reeds or Things: SING an and or our or an ATM English Language, Literature & Creative Writing University of Windsor Windsor, Ontario N9B 3P4 Phone: (519) 253-3000, ext. 2288 Fax: (519) 971-3676 E-mail: englishmail@uwindsor.ca Website: http://www.uwindsor.ca/english ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:19:34 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: <296471.83544.qm@web31104.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tom, Bollinger's speech was really embarrassing, demeaning the name of Columbia University. It speaks to the insanity, bad manners, jingoism of our times. The American higher education has been one of the glories of this country, and to see it mistreated like it was depressing. Of course, the Bush government has been wasting the good will and relative positive reputation The United States has achieved during the previous sixty years like a drunken sailor. On the other, I am glad the event occurred and one the whole it was useful. Ahmedinejad, from what I understand, wanted to present the Iranian point of view to the Americans, and he did that. Now no one can doubt that he is denying the holocaust, that he is after the elimination of Israel, that he believes homosexuals don't exist in Iran, etc. These are not Bush spin or propaganda; that is what he says. This does not mean everything he said was untrue. His points about the sufferings of the Palestinians are completely justified, and his argument why should the Arabs pays for the sins of the Europeans is legitimate from the point of view of the Arabs. Bu one should be aware that Ahmedinejad showed absolutely no interest in reaching a compromise of co-existence; his solution is a destruction of Israel (his language relating to that in Farsi was couched in theological and criminal terms; the word "idam" has both implications). That is to say, the idea of a dialogue with him is an illusion, since his position is so absolutist), and he himself was kidding himself when he said he was involved in an "exchange of ideas." As to the question of the right to build an atomic bomb. Many of his arguments are correct. The United States, and not the Iranians, ever used the atomic bomb, that there is something self-righteous and self-serving in the Western arguments. But, if Iran obtains atomic bombs, and if the implacable purpose of Iran to eliminate Israel, what is Israel supposed to do? Of course, possibly for some of you the elimination of Israel is a rational possibility; but I am not one of them and am not addressing them. One question: what does one think will happen to several million Jews living in Israel now? What is happening in Iraq now, all the ethnic cleansing and the civil; war, will seem a picnic in comparison. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Obviously, the Iranian government did not feel it was successful in its purpose and cancelled a lot of interviews in the last day. The CNN interview with Amnapoor was shortened to one single question. I noticed one thing in this interview: Ahmedinejad had removed his glasses and was not smirking any more. These smirks usually occurred when Ahmedinejad had turned one of his logical twists which he assumed was irresistible to his audience. (This often happens to people who develop the habit of talking only to the choir.) I assume the Iranian government realized that was not the effect his talk produced and asked him to remove his glasses and stop smiling. Another interesting detail: I understand the sentence that homosexuals don't exist in Iran was removed from the official Iranian written transcript of the Columbia talk and its Q&A. Ciao, Murat On 9/26/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. > As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie > Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out > by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's > speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many > other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many > things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than > from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > Ann Bogle wrote: > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > by Jayati Vora > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:23:57 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? In-Reply-To: <720308.17623.qm@web56903.mail.re3.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also the Sullivan building. Murat On 9/26/07, Paul Nelson wrote: > > The Architecture tour IS a must and it leaves from the Chicago River, > across the street from the Wrigley Building and across the River from the > Tribune Tower. I'd grown up in Chicago and did not take the tour until last > year and was blown away. Also, Frank Lloyd Wright's home and office is in > Oak Park, just west of the Chicago city limits and is well worth the time. > Do the walking tour as well. There are many Wright homes in that > neighborhood. > > I'd also suggest the view from the Hancock. If you go to the 95th floor at > sunset, you can have a drink in the restaurant there with AMAZING views of > the city and three other states on a good day. > > Paul > > Paul E. Nelson, M.A. > > Global Voices Radio > SPLAB! > American Sentences > Organic Poetry > Poetry Postcard Blog > > Slaughter, WA 253.735.6328 or 888.735.6328 > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Andy Gricevich > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 10:53:28 PM > Subject: Re: what's doin' in Chicago? > > The architecture boat tour was great when I took it (you go to Navy Pier > and wander around--it's just south of the massive thing--can you tell I > don't live in Chicago?), though the tour guide was a friend with subversive > political tendencies who gave us a lot of dirt on the origins of those > buildings, and he now lives in Italy. > > If you need late night Mexican food, El Charro (on Milwaukee Ave., near > Logan Square) has great chilaquiles. > > I don't like slam poetry at all, but the Green Mill slam is not only the > origin of the thing, but a blast--the readers tend to be much less focused > on out-hipping each other than at other slams I've witnessed, and are great > entertainers. It's like if standup comedy were good. Marc Smith is an > amazing emcee and a great host. > > Devon Street has about thirty of the best Indian restaurants in the > country, all within a few blocks. Plenty of vegetarian-friendly Indian > buffets at lunch and dinner (some of them continuing until 10 or 11 at > night). Pretty far north in the city, but worth it. > > The Neo-Futurists put on "Too Much Light Makes the Baby Go Blind" every > weekend. The format is: thirty plays in sixty minutes, with the audience > choosing the order. The bad plays are like lame Saturday Night Live skits or > high school angst poems. The good ones range from the merely hilarious to > the aesthetically complex and amazing. It happens, I think, at 11 or 12 Fri. > & Sat., and at 7 or 8 on Sun. My introduction to Chicago in high school, and > well worth it. The Neo-Futurarium is at Ashland & Foster. Around the corner > are the first Middle Eastern restaurants I ever ate at; Andie's is really > good. > > There's probably other good theater going on there as well. If you're > interested, ignore the Chicago Reader critics and just look at the listings. > > Series A has good poets reading, as does the U of C. I never make it down > for those. > > The Art Institute is indeed a must, one of the better big museums I've > been to. Take the el train downtown though; I don't know if you'll be > driving, but parking is, when available, horrifically expensive. > > I like Chicago. > > have fun! > > Andy > > > > > --------------------------------- > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:51:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: The Timing of Columbia Events & Iranian University Chancellors Ask Bollinger 10 Questions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here are ten questions that Iranian University Chancellors have for their esteemed colleague: http://www.farsnews.com/English/newstext.php?nn=8606300370 --- The timing of the events at Columbia is very interesting. The Iranian President was invited last year, but the University changed its mind due to "outside pressures." So why, despite even more pressures being applied this year, was he invited again, and now? Columbia's controversial President Bollinger, who is a First Amendment scholar and champion, righteously defended this decision in the name of Freedom of Speech, only to stand up before the world, and for the benefit of his own "home crowd" give an introduction not unworthy of Pat Robertson introducing Hugo Chavez. (Minus the death Fatwa on Chavez Big Pat announced. Pat was the only Presidential candidate the Israeli leader met with during his visit to the USA at the time Pat ran.) This summer Bollinger and 7 other American University presidents were flown to Israel to meet for several days with heads of government, education and the private sector, being briefed in many different areas. The final day of the visit was spent with the military. As a wag asked at the time--what were they doing with the IDF? Learning how to quell campus unrest? Since his return, Bollinger has been the pointman for a US campaign against the Academic Boycott of Israel begun in Britain and spreading to other countries. He headlined a huge full page ad to this effect in the NY Times in late August. One of the controversies surrounding Bollinger is that he has argued for the use of the new Eminent Domain laws in order to demolish neighborhoods in Harlem in order to greatly expand the size of Columbia and its campus. (The protests at Columbia in the late 1960's were also in good part about this same issue. The difference now is the new laws which Bollinger is invoking. These were primarily supported by Democrats. Conservatives opposed them as government intrusion in private lives. Politics does make strange bedfellows.) Not surprisingly, this is an aspect of the Israeli universities that the Boycott protests--the illegal confiscation of Palestinian lands within Israel and on the borders of the Occupied Territories, for the construction of greatly expanded campuses and research facilities. The Boycott also protests the complicities of Israeli universities and institutions with the military and the illegal Occupation, Wall and the war crime of "collective punishment". The universities work with the military and industrial complex to develop technologies of security, surveillance, and aid in the development of theoretical approaches for military applications, (the Deleuzian "infestation" of buildings, etc). This should be familiar to Americans who protested the same complicities of US Universities during the Vietnam War and the boycott and divestment protests against South African Apartheid, which was supported and supplied by the US and Israeli governments and militaries. (Israel is now the fourth largest arms exporter in the world, specializing in security and surveillance technologies. One of their "showrooms" exhibited to prospective clients is the "success" of Gaza's living entombment. Despite booming success, Israel demanded and was recently awarded by the US a guaranteed $30 billion in military aid over the next ten years. The freedom loving Saudis in turn had to placated with another military giveaway.) After bowing to pressure last year not to allow the Iranian President to speak, this time around what better thing could the embattled Bollinger do then have the Spectre of Evil come and speak in the name of his cherished Freedom of Speech, and at the same publicly attack the man with all the "courage" and self righteousness of a "man of conscience" surrounded by his own police, security, helicopters overhead and the news media at his feet? As the war drum beating gets louder everyday to attack Iran, only the slightest of provocations or thinest shreds of "evidence" is needed to trigger the blitzkrieg American and Israeli forces have been holding training exercises for since early this year. What better time than to have the Iranian President arrive in NYC? All it does is throw gasoline on the fires of hatred and war mongering and bring to frothing howls the blood lusting mouths of fear and murder, of the arms manufacturers, the economic "disaster capitalism" technicians of Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine". And who better to be leading the charge than the point man of the anti-boycott movement, fresh from hobnobbing with the movers and shakers and militarists abroad? A brilliant move on the part of whoever in Washington dreamed it up. And regardless of what the PR effects and fallouts are outside the USA, the main goal was achieved. Yesterday the Senate basically gave its approval ahead of time to anything the President of the USA, who has a personal speaking relationship with none other than God, may "decide" as "the Decider" to do with the 72 million people of Iran. The Senate also recommended that the President, the Great Decider, Decide to call the Iranian Republican Guards a "terrorist" organization. This opens even wider the opportunities for "threats" and "events" worthy of massive preemptive "reprisals". The Iranian President is a terrifying playground loudmouth when you look at his competition, the Real Players. Isreali leaders and the former head Rabbi have openly described methods for the "Final Solution" to the "Palestinian Question." (The Rabbi advocates carpet bombing until "there never was such a thing as a Palestinian" in Golda Meier's words, as it does not put Jewish lives at risk and so is in accordance with Jewish Law.) Currently Israel is in open violation of 65 Human Rights guarantees, by far the most of any nation since these were instituted in 1948. The new official policy of "collective punishment" of the 1.5 million residents of Gaza, is an internationally defined war crime. The new plan, described as "a diet" to be applied to a population already 80% of which is starving, is also called "suck(ing) the infrastructural oxygen out of Gaza." Meanwhile the United Sates has completely destroyed Iraq, to the tune of over a million dead and over four million refugees, half of them in Syria, recently bombed by Israel. Afghanistan is back to the hell of a world fought over by drug lords, war lords, tribal chieftains and the Taliban. Heroin production with each opium poppy crop breaks all time records in volume and strength of the drug. Not surprisingly, most of it arrives in the USA. For now the Iranian President is being called the most dangerous man in the world, the greatest threat to our lives and our allies' lives. The biggest threat since--God--wasn't that just four years ago that Saddam was the worst evil the world had ever known and on the verge of attacking USA, Great Britain and Israel with the deadliest cache of WMDs ever? Wasn't he the sure cause of 9/11, the worst attack ever experienced in history by anyone on the face of the earth? Whatever happened to him? I thought we had rid the world of all Evil when he was hung!!! But--wait a minute!! A few years before Saddam wasn't the most hated and wanted and Evil person ever to degrade the soil of Mother Earth Osama Bin Missing? What's up with that? Do you think maybe the Iranian President is Osama in disguise? Or maybe Osama is hiding among the two million refugees in Syria--? Why not just nuke and carpet bomb until nothing moves and not a stone is left upon a stone? "Kill them all and let God sort them out." "We have met the enemy and he is us." Isn't it about time to stop designating ever more of the world as "terrorists" and every year or so pinning up target-marked posters of the latest Most Evil Man Who Ever Lived? How many people have to be killed to make sure all the bogeymen are really gone? Remember how in Vietnam they "had to destroy the village to save it?" Now it's whole countries and "no such things" that have to be destroyed to be "saved" or Final Solutioned. President Bollinger and his revival of the Sixties Columbia problems is a marker of how far out of control the situation is spinning. And next month, don't forget--Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week is coming to 200 American Campuses!!!! (And a couple in Israel also.) In 1984, George Orwell's workers had a break everyday for the Two Minutes of Hate. Aren't American experiencing six years so far of Hate being ratcheted continually towards mass destruction? How far up can we crank that hate? How many civil liberties are worth losing for the Freedom to Hate 24/7 the latest most Hated? How many people have to die to sate all that hate? Do we really want to find out? We just may be sooner than anyone knows--unless some real democracy gets put into action--by the people for the people--or has the "right of assembly" been suspended in the middle of the night? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:12:13 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hot Whiskey Press Subject: Moonshine 2: Augusto de Campos trans. by Samuel Knights MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The second Moonshine has been sent out and contains 4 translations of Augusto de Campos by Samuel Knights. If interested in subscribing to this pamphlet series of poetic distillations, follow the link: www.moonshineseries.blogspot.com Please note if browsing links on the page that Hot Whiskey's website is temporarily down. Should be up again soon. best, Michael Koshkin ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:28:06 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brian Clements Subject: Steve Timm In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Looking for an email address for him... Backchannel appreciated. bc Dr. Brian Clements, Coordinator MFA in Professional Writing 203-837-8876 _____ Dept. of Writing, Linguistics, and Creative Process Western Connecticut State University 181 White St. Danbury, CT 06810 _____ http://www.wcsu.edu/writing/mfa ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:27:36 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: thom donovan Subject: Peace On A presents: John Beer & Terry Cuddy Saturday, October 6th 8PM In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peace On A presents: John Beer & Terry Cuddy Peace On A presents John Beer & Terry Cuddy Saturday, October 6th, 2007 8PM recommended donation: $5 curated by Thom Donovan at: 166 Avenue A (btwn 10th and 11th) NY, NY 10009 about the readers: John Beer's poems and criticism have appeared in periodicals including Another Chicago Magazine, Barrow Street, Chicago Review, the Chicago Tribune, Colorado Review, Crowd, Denver Quarterly, Joss, Milk, MiPoesias, MoonLit, Time Out Chicago, Verse, the Village Voice, and Xantippe. With Max Blechman, he edited the special issue of Chicago Review on Kenneth Rexroth (Fall 2006). He is a Ph.D. candidate in philosophy and social thought at the University of Chicago. Terry Cuddy is an artist, teacher, and curator who lives in upstate New York. He is a graduate of Alfred University's School of Art and Design as well as SUNY at Buffalo's Department of Media Study. He has had three residencies at the Experimental Television Center in Owego, New York, and was a New York Foundation for the Arts Fellow for Video Art in 1998. His work is in several collections and has been screened throughout the United States, Canada and Europe. work samples: Trapped in the Closet I love you: the first lesson gunplay teaches. I find my breath under the table, a tourniquet not needed at the moment. I open my eyes and the wall bleeds you. Everyone dreams big these days. For instance, universal war, or grab a massive advance on a memoir about growing up in a family of bankers, trusting in quiet accumulation of capital, as though that's a natural fact. Was it really me under the table? I couldn't be sure, but I knew my leg hurt a hell of a lot. Everyone dreams of love, why not? I'm no different from you, even if I take strange pride in my beard, the way a couple of gray strands seem to announce a certain challenge met: we both made it this far. Out by the beach the jets are keeping us safe. It only burns for a second, this composure, this disease we accept as the cost of ourselves. ~John Beer on Terry Cuddy’s *The Harriet Complex* (video): Harriet Tubman escaped from slavery and personally led over 70 slaves to freedom. During the U.S. Civil War, she led raids, and served as a nurse, a scout, and a spy for the Union Army. After the war, she settled in Auburn, NY, where she founded and oversaw a home for the aged until her death in 1913. The Harriet Complex is about the Harriet Tubman legacy in contemporary Auburn. Here elementary school students perform plays about Tubman while local officials debate whether her significance is worthy of a memorial highway. Her name can inspire pride, expose apathy, or provoke disdain. This phenomenon is dubbed “the Harriet Complex.” The Harriet Complex combines documentary techniques with poetic devices to challenge viewers to engage history in an experimental way. Archived texts, photographs, recorded interviews, electronic maps, and theatrical performances are recomposed into montages. This is a re-imagining an American hero and the city she chose. "There are still too many trees" ~David Hilliard quoted in Jean Genet's *Prisoner of Love* --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:36:15 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709271019w58ab0708x126ad9557f88e698@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit thank you Murat On 9/27/07 1:19 PM, "Murat Nemet-Nejat" wrote: > Tom, > > Bollinger's speech was really embarrassing, demeaning the name of Columbia > University. It speaks to the insanity, bad manners, jingoism of our times. > The American higher education has been one of the glories of this country, > and to see it mistreated like it was depressing. Of course, the Bush > government has been wasting the good will and relative positive reputation > The United States has achieved during the previous sixty years like a > drunken sailor. > > On the other, I am glad the event occurred and one the whole it was useful. > Ahmedinejad, from what I understand, wanted to present the Iranian point of > view to the Americans, and he did that. Now no one can doubt that he is > denying the holocaust, that he is after the elimination of Israel, that he > believes homosexuals don't exist in Iran, etc. These are not Bush spin or > propaganda; that is what he says. > > This does not mean everything he said was untrue. His points about the > sufferings of the Palestinians are completely justified, and his argument > why should the Arabs pays for the sins of the Europeans is legitimate from > the point of view of the Arabs. Bu one should be aware that Ahmedinejad > showed absolutely no interest in reaching a compromise of co-existence; his > solution is a destruction of Israel (his language relating to that in Farsi > was couched in theological and criminal terms; the word "idam" has both > implications). That is to say, the idea of a dialogue with him is an > illusion, since his position is so absolutist), and he himself was kidding > himself when he said he was involved in an "exchange of ideas." > > As to the question of the right to build an atomic bomb. Many of his > arguments are correct. The United States, and not the Iranians, ever used > the atomic bomb, that there is something self-righteous and self-serving in > the Western arguments. But, if Iran obtains atomic bombs, and if the > implacable purpose of Iran to eliminate Israel, what is Israel supposed to > do? Of course, possibly for some of you the elimination of Israel is a > rational possibility; but I am not one of them and am not addressing them. > One question: what does one think will happen to several million Jews living > in Israel now? What is happening in Iraq now, all the ethnic cleansing and > the civil; war, will seem a picnic in comparison. > > The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Obviously, the Iranian government > did not feel it was successful in its purpose and cancelled a lot of > interviews in the last day. The CNN interview with Amnapoor was shortened to > one single question. I noticed one thing in this interview: Ahmedinejad had > removed his glasses and was not smirking any more. These smirks usually > occurred when Ahmedinejad had turned one of his logical twists which he > assumed was irresistible to his audience. (This often happens to people who > develop the habit of talking only to the choir.) I assume the Iranian > government realized that was not the effect his talk produced and asked him > to remove his glasses and stop smiling. > > Another interesting detail: I understand the sentence that homosexuals don't > exist in Iran was removed from the official Iranian written transcript of > the Columbia talk and its Q&A. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On 9/26/07, Thomas savage wrote: >> >> This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. >> As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush >> administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt >> obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the >> account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the >> address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie >> Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out >> by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's >> speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many >> other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many >> things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than >> from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage >> >> Ann Bogle wrote: >> http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora >> >> article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) >> Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia >> by Jayati Vora >> >> >> >> >> ************************************** See what's new at >> http://www.aol.com >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! >> FareChase. >> ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:14:53 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Thomas savage Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: <1dec21ae0709271019w58ab0708x126ad9557f88e698@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Murat, of course the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran would not be a good thing; not for the Israelis, not for the Iranians themselves in the long run. I've heard for years that Israel has a secret nuclear program which the world allows that country not to acknowledge publicly. Is this true? If not, I apologize for bringing up the issue. But, if they do have nuclear weapons or the power to create them, a nuclear confrontation between Israel and Iran would be a horrible thing if the Israelis were forced to use whatever they have as defense or counteroffensive against Iran, whatever the situation might be. This could wreak widespread destruction upon the region if the conflict lasted for any length of time and create many other horrible conditions as well. I think of the effects the Chernobyl disaster had on a large part of Europe at the time it occurred. Of course, this isn't the same thing. It could possibly be worse. Even if Israel doesn't have nuclear arms or the power to produce them, the fallout from Iran attacking Israel could effect not only Israel but it's Arab neighbors as well, if I am not mistaken. This is not to minimize the effect on Israel, just to mention that the effects would not be limited to that country. Regards, Tom Savage Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: Tom, Bollinger's speech was really embarrassing, demeaning the name of Columbia University. It speaks to the insanity, bad manners, jingoism of our times. The American higher education has been one of the glories of this country, and to see it mistreated like it was depressing. Of course, the Bush government has been wasting the good will and relative positive reputation The United States has achieved during the previous sixty years like a drunken sailor. On the other, I am glad the event occurred and one the whole it was useful. Ahmedinejad, from what I understand, wanted to present the Iranian point of view to the Americans, and he did that. Now no one can doubt that he is denying the holocaust, that he is after the elimination of Israel, that he believes homosexuals don't exist in Iran, etc. These are not Bush spin or propaganda; that is what he says. This does not mean everything he said was untrue. His points about the sufferings of the Palestinians are completely justified, and his argument why should the Arabs pays for the sins of the Europeans is legitimate from the point of view of the Arabs. Bu one should be aware that Ahmedinejad showed absolutely no interest in reaching a compromise of co-existence; his solution is a destruction of Israel (his language relating to that in Farsi was couched in theological and criminal terms; the word "idam" has both implications). That is to say, the idea of a dialogue with him is an illusion, since his position is so absolutist), and he himself was kidding himself when he said he was involved in an "exchange of ideas." As to the question of the right to build an atomic bomb. Many of his arguments are correct. The United States, and not the Iranians, ever used the atomic bomb, that there is something self-righteous and self-serving in the Western arguments. But, if Iran obtains atomic bombs, and if the implacable purpose of Iran to eliminate Israel, what is Israel supposed to do? Of course, possibly for some of you the elimination of Israel is a rational possibility; but I am not one of them and am not addressing them. One question: what does one think will happen to several million Jews living in Israel now? What is happening in Iraq now, all the ethnic cleansing and the civil; war, will seem a picnic in comparison. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Obviously, the Iranian government did not feel it was successful in its purpose and cancelled a lot of interviews in the last day. The CNN interview with Amnapoor was shortened to one single question. I noticed one thing in this interview: Ahmedinejad had removed his glasses and was not smirking any more. These smirks usually occurred when Ahmedinejad had turned one of his logical twists which he assumed was irresistible to his audience. (This often happens to people who develop the habit of talking only to the choir.) I assume the Iranian government realized that was not the effect his talk produced and asked him to remove his glasses and stop smiling. Another interesting detail: I understand the sentence that homosexuals don't exist in Iran was removed from the official Iranian written transcript of the Columbia talk and its Q&A. Ciao, Murat On 9/26/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the link. > As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he felt > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by the > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie > Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put out > by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear Amedinajad's > speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many > other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward many > things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather than > from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > Ann Bogle wrote: > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > by Jayati Vora > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:15:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME Comments: To: r_loden@sbcglobal.net In-Reply-To: <008d01c7fef4$acbf1df0$220110ac@GLASSCASTLE> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Reminds me of the time in 1970 in Boston, when my friend Ed Pechter took me to the first McDonald's I had ever seen. I tried the "hamburger" and=20= predicted that people would refuse to eat that stuff. gb On Sep 24, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Rachel Loden wrote: > It's unspeakable, George, as you might imagine. You have to soak the > lutefisk in water for days in order to make it edible and whatever you=20= > soak > it in becomes unusable for any other purpose. > > Serve with a dollop of whipped cream. Yum! > > But have you heard of surstr=F6mming? This is fermented Baltic = herring,=20 > sold > in cans which start to bulge like footballs as the fermentation = process > continues. You want to open the cans underwater in the bathtub,=20 > because they > might explode. > > And the smell, apparently... I haven't had the pleasure, but am told=20= > that > surstr=F6mming is usually served outdoors. > > George Bowering wrote: > >> Rachel didn't mention that you bury this lutefish in lye in a hole, >> and dig it up much later. >> What does the kitchen smell like, Rachel? >> >> >> On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Rachel Loden wrote: >> >>> Okay, a work of genius. I will admit that with some >> difficulty. But >>> I bet >>> Blowering never spent Christmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating >>> lutefisk. >>> >>> Lutefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it >> into a sort of >>> gelatinous mass: >>> >>> >>> So much depends >>> upon >>> >>> a grey lye >>> fish >>> >>> glazed with K-Y >>> jelly >>> >>> beside the white >>> in-laws. >>> >>> >>> Maria wrote: >>> >>>> a work of genius! >>>> >>>> George Bowering wrote: >>>>> So much depends upon >>>>> a dead green herring >>>>> beside the boiled eggs >>>>> on a Swedish table. >>>> >>> >>> >> G. Bowering, DLitt. >> I still haven't opened it. >> > > > Bowering A gerund and your friend. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:58:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Murat Nemet-Nejat Subject: Re: Link to Nation article about Ahmadinejad at Columbia In-Reply-To: <924267.18336.qm@web31106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Tom, You are right. As far as I know Israel does possess nuclear weapons. My point is that Iran possessing it also would exponentially increase the instability in The Middle East. My belief is that the most foolish things countries do do them out of fear (look at The United States history in the last six years). The Iranian claim on the destruction of Israel, coupled with Iran possessing the atomic bomb, will, I am afraid, make a hellish Middle East War where a lot of Arabs, Iranians and Israelis will die almost inevitable. I think the euphoric arrogance which possessed The United States after the fall of The Soviet Union is now possessing The Iranians, without taking into consideration how many of their own people without any doubt at all will also die in the process. Here is the core of the insane danger Kasinejad's religious fervor presents. For Kasinejad, such losses may be acceptable for a divine purpose. What you saw in Kasinejad's face, his smile, is the assurance of a religious fanatic. That's what made my blood boil. Ciao, Murat On 9/27/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > Dear Murat, of course the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran would not > be a good thing; not for the Israelis, not for the Iranians themselves in > the long run. I've heard for years that Israel has a secret nuclear program > which the world allows that country not to acknowledge publicly. Is this > true? If not, I apologize for bringing up the issue. But, if they do have > nuclear weapons or the power to create them, a nuclear confrontation between > Israel and Iran would be a horrible thing if the Israelis were forced to use > whatever they have as defense or counteroffensive against Iran, whatever the > situation might be. This could wreak widespread destruction upon the region > if the conflict lasted for any length of time and create many other horrible > conditions as well. I think of the effects the Chernobyl disaster had on a > large part of Europe at the time it occurred. Of course, this isn't the > same thing. It could possibly be worse. Even if Israel doesn't have > nuclear > arms or the power to produce them, the fallout from Iran attacking Israel > could effect not only Israel but it's Arab neighbors as well, if I am not > mistaken. This is not to minimize the effect on Israel, just to mention that > the effects would not be limited to that country. Regards, Tom Savage > > Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: Tom, > > Bollinger's speech was really embarrassing, demeaning the name of Columbia > University. It speaks to the insanity, bad manners, jingoism of our times. > The American higher education has been one of the glories of this country, > and to see it mistreated like it was depressing. Of course, the Bush > government has been wasting the good will and relative positive reputation > The United States has achieved during the previous sixty years like a > drunken sailor. > > On the other, I am glad the event occurred and one the whole it was > useful. > Ahmedinejad, from what I understand, wanted to present the Iranian point > of > view to the Americans, and he did that. Now no one can doubt that he is > denying the holocaust, that he is after the elimination of Israel, that he > believes homosexuals don't exist in Iran, etc. These are not Bush spin or > propaganda; that is what he says. > > This does not mean everything he said was untrue. His points about the > sufferings of the Palestinians are completely justified, and his argument > why should the Arabs pays for the sins of the Europeans is legitimate from > the point of view of the Arabs. Bu one should be aware that Ahmedinejad > showed absolutely no interest in reaching a compromise of co-existence; > his > solution is a destruction of Israel (his language relating to that in > Farsi > was couched in theological and criminal terms; the word "idam" has both > implications). That is to say, the idea of a dialogue with him is an > illusion, since his position is so absolutist), and he himself was kidding > himself when he said he was involved in an "exchange of ideas." > > As to the question of the right to build an atomic bomb. Many of his > arguments are correct. The United States, and not the Iranians, ever used > the atomic bomb, that there is something self-righteous and self-serving > in > the Western arguments. But, if Iran obtains atomic bombs, and if the > implacable purpose of Iran to eliminate Israel, what is Israel supposed to > do? Of course, possibly for some of you the elimination of Israel is a > rational possibility; but I am not one of them and am not addressing them. > One question: what does one think will happen to several million Jews > living > in Israel now? What is happening in Iraq now, all the ethnic cleansing and > the civil; war, will seem a picnic in comparison. > > The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Obviously, the Iranian > government > did not feel it was successful in its purpose and cancelled a lot of > interviews in the last day. The CNN interview with Amnapoor was shortened > to > one single question. I noticed one thing in this interview: Ahmedinejad > had > removed his glasses and was not smirking any more. These smirks usually > occurred when Ahmedinejad had turned one of his logical twists which he > assumed was irresistible to his audience. (This often happens to people > who > develop the habit of talking only to the choir.) I assume the Iranian > government realized that was not the effect his talk produced and asked > him > to remove his glasses and stop smiling. > > Another interesting detail: I understand the sentence that homosexuals > don't > exist in Iran was removed from the official Iranian written transcript of > the Columbia talk and its Q&A. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > On 9/26/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > > > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the > link. > > As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he > felt > > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by > the > > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie > > Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put > out > > by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear > Amedinajad's > > speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many > > other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward > many > > things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather > than > > from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Ann Bogle wrote: > > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > > by Jayati Vora > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > > http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > > FareChase. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:30:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Paul Nelson Subject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DON'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your string of predictions remains unblemished. Didn't you als= George,=0A=0AYour string of predictions remains unblemished. Didn't you als= o predict that town's baseball team to win championships in 1967, 1978 and = 1986?=0A=0APaul "Pale Hose" Nelson=0A =0APaul E. Nelson, M.A. =0AWPA Presid= ent=0A=0AGlobal Voices Radio=0ASPLAB!=0AAmerican Sentences=0AOrganic Poetry= =0APoetry Postcard Blog=0AWashington Poets Association=0A=0ASlaughter, WA 2= 53.735.6328 or 888.735.6328=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: George= Bowering =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Thur= sday, September 27, 2007 1:15:24 PM=0ASubject: Re: WHAT ARE THESE FISH I DO= N'T KNOW FISH PLEASE HELP ME=0A=0AReminds me of the time in 1970 in Boston,= when my friend Ed Pechter took=0Ame to the first McDonald's I had ever see= n. I tried the "hamburger" and =0Apredicted=0Athat people would refuse to e= at that stuff.=0A=0Agb=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 24, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Rachel Loden wr= ote:=0A=0A> It's unspeakable, George, as you might imagine. You have to soa= k the=0A> lutefisk in water for days in order to make it edible and whateve= r you =0A> soak=0A> it in becomes unusable for any other purpose.=0A>=0A> S= erve with a dollop of whipped cream. Yum!=0A>=0A> But have you heard of sur= str=F6mming? This is fermented Baltic herring, =0A> sold=0A> in cans which = start to bulge like footballs as the fermentation process=0A> continues. Yo= u want to open the cans underwater in the bathtub, =0A> because they=0A> mi= ght explode.=0A>=0A> And the smell, apparently... I haven't had the pleasur= e, but am told =0A> that=0A> surstr=F6mming is usually served outdoors.=0A>= =0A> George Bowering wrote:=0A>=0A>> Rachel didn't mention that you bury th= is lutefish in lye in a hole,=0A>> and dig it up much later.=0A>> What does= the kitchen smell like, Rachel?=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:08 P= M, Rachel Loden wrote:=0A>>=0A>>> Okay, a work of genius. I will admit tha= t with some=0A>> difficulty. But=0A>>> I bet=0A>>> Blowering never spent C= hristmas in Helsinki with his in-laws, eating=0A>>> lutefisk.=0A>>>=0A>>> L= utefisk is whitefish cured with lye. The lye turns it=0A>> into a sort of= =0A>>> gelatinous mass:=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> So much depends=0A>>> upon=0A>>>= =0A>>> a grey lye=0A>>> fish=0A>>>=0A>>> glazed with K-Y=0A>>> jelly=0A>>>= =0A>>> beside the white=0A>>> in-laws.=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>> Maria wrote:=0A>>>= =0A>>>> a work of genius!=0A>>>>=0A>>>> George Bowering wrote:=0A>>>>> So m= uch depends upon=0A>>>>> a dead green herring=0A>>>>> beside the boiled egg= s=0A>>>>> on a Swedish table.=0A>>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>> G. Bowering, DLitt.= =0A>> I still haven't opened it.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0ABowering=0AA gerund and= your friend.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:59:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: wil Hallgren Subject: Re: canada attacked 4 times by USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1) W= Curious! The claim that the US has attacked Canada four times????=0A=0A1) W= olfe during the Seven Year (aka French and Indian) War is Britain attacking= France.=0A=0A2) Arnold's invasion during the American Revolution (= aka The War of Colonial Aggression)is one colonial rebel attack= ing a colonial possession of the country against which he was rebelling= (you might as well say that Burgoyne's later meeting with Arnold w= as a "Canadian" attack upon the USA -- neither of which yet existed as = countries)=0A=0A3) The War of 1812's Canadian theater is in the context of = the USA (now finally in existance) retaliating against British prov= ocation (however trumped up)by attacking one of it's colonies (= not yet a nation).=0A=0A4) You've got me: is it either of these severely lo= calized issues?=0A=0A A) the Seventh Calvary pursuing Sitting Bull's ban= d into Canada after the murder of Crazy Horse. (problematic given t= hat Sitting Bull laid claim to land on both sides of the border= ).=0Aor=0A B) border squabbles of roughly the same period.=0A=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: George Bowering = =0ATo: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU=0ASent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8= :28:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Ahmadinejad to read at BlazeVOX [books] in NYC Sep= t 25=0A=0A=0AWell, Canada has never been attacked by Iran,=0Abut has been a= ttacked 4 times by the USA.=0A=0Ag=0A=0AOn Sep 26, 2007, at 7:18 AM, steve = russell wrote:=0A=0A> if he plans to attack Florida, especially ORLANDO FL,= i'm signing onto =0A> the REVOLUTION.=0A> JIHAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!= !!!!!!!!!!!=0A>=0A> Elizabeth Switaj wrote:=0A> No, no= , he's actually planning to attack Canada. Haven't you heard =0A> him=0A> r= ailing against maple leaves and ice hockey? It's not in most of the=0A> Eng= lish-language versions of his speeches that you see, but there are =0A> som= e=0A> direct translations out there that include it.=0A>=0A> Also, Iraq and= Afghanistan aren't states. States still have a few more=0A> rights (or app= arent rights) than they do.=0A>=0A> On 9/26/07, George Bowering wrote:=0A>>= =0A>>> and then, for those who don't care about Israel, well guess who's=0A= >>> next: America.=0A>>=0A>> Oh God, yes. Those horrible Persians might att= ack "America" [I think=0A>> you mean the US]=0A>> in one of its states, say= Iraq, or Afghanistan,.=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> ------------------------------= ---=0A> Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s u= ser =0A> panel and lay it on us.=0A>=0A>=0A=0AGeorge Harry de Bowering=0AWi= ll happily eat an endangered cod. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:07:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Re: Link to Nation article ?/Israel's Nuclear Weapons Timetable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Israel has had nuclear weapons for a very long time.(see the timetable below) I recently read they may also have nuclear armed submarines. The man who first revealed this information --to the BBC--was kidnapped and spent 18 years in solitary confinement in Isreali prison. Upon his release, he was not allowed to leave the country and is not allowed to talk to anyone from outside. His life was taken up at one point by human rights groups as people were encouraged to make daily life a hell for him in public. I think he may have been sent back to jail i the last few months as he spoke with a foreigner at a cafe. Having been in solitary for so long it is hard to imagine what he could say that is so dangerous during the writing of his book Cohen experienced a great many harrassments and censorships, though he was able to assemble a very large amount of documentation. This is from the 1998 book, that is, what was allowed to be known ten years ago. I am amazed people on this list didn't know Israel has the bomb. It's been known for abt thirty years now. That is why Jonathan Pollard's treason and stealing of documents for the Israelis was of such immensity. He was stealing some of the most crucial American secrets and classified documents and peddling them to Israel. Efforts to have him released continue, on the grounds the secrets were stolen and sold to an ally. Isreal is the only Nation in the world with the nuclear bombs which is not a member of any treaty regarding nuclear weapons. Iran is a signer of the same treaties as everyone else who actually does have a bomb. Isreal could destroy all its enemies very easily as the only country in the Middle East with a huge nuclear arsenal. As this time table shows, Israel also is exempt from inspections and has been for close to 40 years. It is the only nation in the world in regards to nuclear weapons which basically lives on a different planet from all the rest, able to do as it pleases, without regard for laws and treaties which are demanded most rigorously of everyone else. Only Blackwater and a few other private contractor-armies have been able to attain this status of being above laws which apply to all other humans. This was part of the rationale behind the hiring in New Orleans by one of the richest communities of an Isreali security contractor, rather than have to depend on the American police. Even Netanyahu a few years ago got everyone mad at him for saying publicly that everyone knew Israel had the bomb. Israel and the USA in 1988 were the only two nations not to sign an anti-terrorism treaty and document. They did not sign because the document says, like the Human Rights documents of the UN that a people occupied and oppressed have the right to fight back if there are no other means available. Israel did not sign because it would not recognize the rights of Palestinians to self-defense or to resistance if all other avenues failed. (This is why a freedom fighter if Palestinian is called a "terrorist"--to hide the fact they have the right to resist.) The USA refused to sign because of the commitment to the Apartheid Regime in South Africa, which Isreal has mow replaced as the world's one official Apartheid regime with the passing of recent laws regarding Arabs living inside Israel.as well as in the Occupied Terrritories. Here is the timetable from Dr Cohen's book, Israel and the Bomb: # In the period 1955-1957 a heated debate took place within the small scientific and policy community in Israel regarding the feasibility and desirability of the nuclear weapons option. When Shimon Peres put together the Dimona deal in 1957, and obtained massive French assistance, Ben Gurion gave the go-ahead to the project. # The United States "discovered" the Dimona project in late 1960, almost three years after it had been launched. The late discovery of Dimona is one of the colossal blunders of American intelligence. (In comparative terms, this failure was more severe than the failure to identify the Indian test in 1998.) Israel and the Bomb revisits this intelligence failure. # President Kennedy was the only American president who made serious efforts to curb the Israeli nuclear project. Based on a volume of newly declassified documents as well as interviews, Israel and the Bomb reconstructs the details of Kennedy's efforts. Cohen suggests that Ben Gurion's resignation in 1963 may have been triggered, in part, by Kennedy's pressure. # The visiting American scientists never found direct evidence that Israel engaged in weapons-related activities. The book explains why. The book also reveals that the CIA, since the early-mid 1960s, understood and presumed that Israel was determined to develop nuclear weapons. By late 1966 the CIA circulated reports that Israel completed the development phase of its nuclear program, and was only weeks away from having a fully assembled bomb. Such information was never shared with the inspection teams that visited Dimona, nor was it accepted by the State Department. # By late 1966 Israel completed the development phase of the nuclear project. Yet Prime Minister Eshkol forcefully disallowed a nuclear test, knowing that such an act would violate the unique set of tacit understandings he had with the United States. # The June 1967 War had an important nuclear dimension. New and little-known Israeli and American sources suggest that Israel had improvised two nuclear devices and placed them under alert. Cohen suggests that some time prior to the Six-Day War Israel had achieved a rudimentary nuclear weapons capability, and during the tense days of the crisis in late May it placed that capability under "operational alert." By the eve of the war Israel had two deliverable explosive devices. # The advent of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 set the stage for the most direct confrontation between the United States and Israel on the nuclear issue during the Johnson era.. Based on newly declassified documents and oral history Israel and the Bombreconstructs the details of the last American-Israeli confrontation on the nuclear issue. The two prime players in that confrontation were Ambassador Yitzhak Rabin and Assistant Secretary of Defense Paul Warnke. # A new set of American-Israeli understandings on the nuclear issue came into being in 1970 through meetings between President Richard Nixon and Prime Minister Golda Meir. The United States no longer pressed Israel to sign the NPT; it also ended the visits at Dimona. In return, Israel is committed to maintaining a low profile nuclear posture: no testing, no declaration, no acknowledgment. With these "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" understandings nuclear opacity was born. Those understanding persist today. On 9/27/07, Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: > Tom, > > You are right. As far as I know Israel does possess nuclear weapons. My > point is that Iran possessing it also would exponentially increase the > instability in The Middle East. My belief is that the most foolish things > countries do do them out of fear (look at The United States history in the > last six years). The Iranian claim on the destruction of Israel, coupled > with Iran possessing the atomic bomb, will, I am afraid, make a hellish > Middle East War where a lot of Arabs, Iranians and Israelis will die almost > inevitable. I think the euphoric arrogance which possessed The United States > after the fall of The Soviet Union is now possessing The Iranians, without > taking into consideration how many of their own people without any doubt at > all will also die in the process. Here is the core of the insane danger > Kasinejad's religious fervor presents. For Kasinejad, such losses may be > acceptable for a divine purpose. What you saw in Kasinejad's face, his > smile, is the assurance of a religious fanatic. That's what made my blood > boil. > > Ciao, > > Murat > > > On 9/27/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > > > Dear Murat, of course the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran would not > > be a good thing; not for the Israelis, not for the Iranians themselves in > > the long run. I've heard for years that Israel has a secret nuclear program > > which the world allows that country not to acknowledge publicly. Is this > > true? If not, I apologize for bringing up the issue. But, if they do have > > nuclear weapons or the power to create them, a nuclear confrontation between > > Israel and Iran would be a horrible thing if the Israelis were forced to use > > whatever they have as defense or counteroffensive against Iran, whatever the > > situation might be. This could wreak widespread destruction upon the region > > if the conflict lasted for any length of time and create many other horrible > > conditions as well. I think of the effects the Chernobyl disaster had on a > > large part of Europe at the time it occurred. Of course, this isn't the > > same thing. It could possibly be worse. Even if Israel doesn't have > > nuclear > > arms or the power to produce them, the fallout from Iran attacking Israel > > could effect not only Israel but it's Arab neighbors as well, if I am not > > mistaken. This is not to minimize the effect on Israel, just to mention that > > the effects would not be limited to that country. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > Murat Nemet-Nejat wrote: Tom, > > > > Bollinger's speech was really embarrassing, demeaning the name of Columbia > > University. It speaks to the insanity, bad manners, jingoism of our times. > > The American higher education has been one of the glories of this country, > > and to see it mistreated like it was depressing. Of course, the Bush > > government has been wasting the good will and relative positive reputation > > The United States has achieved during the previous sixty years like a > > drunken sailor. > > > > On the other, I am glad the event occurred and one the whole it was > > useful. > > Ahmedinejad, from what I understand, wanted to present the Iranian point > > of > > view to the Americans, and he did that. Now no one can doubt that he is > > denying the holocaust, that he is after the elimination of Israel, that he > > believes homosexuals don't exist in Iran, etc. These are not Bush spin or > > propaganda; that is what he says. > > > > This does not mean everything he said was untrue. His points about the > > sufferings of the Palestinians are completely justified, and his argument > > why should the Arabs pays for the sins of the Europeans is legitimate from > > the point of view of the Arabs. Bu one should be aware that Ahmedinejad > > showed absolutely no interest in reaching a compromise of co-existence; > > his > > solution is a destruction of Israel (his language relating to that in > > Farsi > > was couched in theological and criminal terms; the word "idam" has both > > implications). That is to say, the idea of a dialogue with him is an > > illusion, since his position is so absolutist), and he himself was kidding > > himself when he said he was involved in an "exchange of ideas." > > > > As to the question of the right to build an atomic bomb. Many of his > > arguments are correct. The United States, and not the Iranians, ever used > > the atomic bomb, that there is something self-righteous and self-serving > > in > > the Western arguments. But, if Iran obtains atomic bombs, and if the > > implacable purpose of Iran to eliminate Israel, what is Israel supposed to > > do? Of course, possibly for some of you the elimination of Israel is a > > rational possibility; but I am not one of them and am not addressing them. > > One question: what does one think will happen to several million Jews > > living > > in Israel now? What is happening in Iraq now, all the ethnic cleansing and > > the civil; war, will seem a picnic in comparison. > > > > The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Obviously, the Iranian > > government > > did not feel it was successful in its purpose and cancelled a lot of > > interviews in the last day. The CNN interview with Amnapoor was shortened > > to > > one single question. I noticed one thing in this interview: Ahmedinejad > > had > > removed his glasses and was not smirking any more. These smirks usually > > occurred when Ahmedinejad had turned one of his logical twists which he > > assumed was irresistible to his audience. (This often happens to people > > who > > develop the habit of talking only to the choir.) I assume the Iranian > > government realized that was not the effect his talk produced and asked > > him > > to remove his glasses and stop smiling. > > > > Another interesting detail: I understand the sentence that homosexuals > > don't > > exist in Iran was removed from the official Iranian written transcript of > > the Columbia talk and its Q&A. > > > > Ciao, > > > > Murat > > > > On 9/26/07, Thomas savage wrote: > > > > > > This was a very good article on Ahmadinejad. Thanks for posting the > > link. > > > As for the Columbia president, he's just a stooge either for the Bush > > > administration or for the establishment view which for some reason he > > felt > > > obliged to expound while introducing the Irani leader. Judging from the > > > account in The Nation, it appears that the general impression left by > > the > > > address was very similar to that presented in the interview on Charlie > > > Rose's program, which I saw. I tend to be so suspicious of anything put > > out > > > by the American government now that I wanted to see and hear > > Amedinajad's > > > speaking for himself. Nevertheless, his views on homosexuality and many > > > other things are abhorrent to me. I don't endorse his attitude toward > > many > > > things. But I'm glad I heard what he had to say from his mouth rather > > than > > > from America's newspeak puppets. Regards, Tom Savage > > > > > > Ann Bogle wrote: > > > http://www.thenation.com/doc/20071008/vora > > > > > > article | posted September 25, 2007 (web only) > > > Debating Ahmadinejad at Columbia > > > by Jayati Vora > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > > > http://www.aol.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > > > FareChase. > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > > Games. > > > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:41:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Poetry Project Subject: Events at The Poetry Project September/October 2007 In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello people, These are the events for the coming week. Look very, very carefully at the description of Friday=B9s event=8B it has been altered! Also, scroll down for workshop info. Your Pal, The Poetry Project=20 FRIDAY, September 28, 10pm Beauty Talk & Monsters: Masha Tupitsyn + Nora, a film + Gay Boy Hustlers + music by Amelia Masha Tupitsyn is a fiction writer and feminist critic who lives in New Yor= k City. She received her MA in Literature and Cultural Theory from the University of Sussex in England. Her fiction and criticism has been published or is forthcoming in the anthology Wreckage of Reason: XXperimental Women Writers Writing in the 21st Century, Make/Shift, and Bookforum, among other places. Beauty Talk & Monsters, her first book, is a collection of film-based stories recently published by Semiotext(e). She is currently working on her new book, Showtime. Masha=B9s reading will be accompanied by a screening of Nora, a short narrative by Portland-based artists Holly Andres and Grace Carter, in which an afternoon encounter between two lovers plays out in an unusual fashion. The film examines gende= r roles in terms of sexuality, power, violence and commerce by using tools of the classic suspense/thriller genre, most notably Hitchcock's Psycho. Holly Andres approaches her work in a multidisciplinary manner and has worked in film, photography, sculpture and installation. Her work has been featured i= n the Oregon Biennial at the Portland Art Museum, The Portland International Film Festival and the Perpetual Art Machine in New York. She is presently the featured artist in the exhibition "Girl Machine" at the Honfleur Galler= y in Washington DC and her work was recently shown at The Jen Bekman Gallery in NYC as part of the "Hey, Hot Shot!" competition/exhibition. Grace Carter has been working in theatre arts, performance and filmmaking for the past seven years in Portland OR. Her films have been screened at several festivals including The Portland Documentary and Experimental Film Festival= , The Portland International Film Festival and the Oregon Biennial at the Portland Art Museum. Grace was the recipient of a Regional Arts and Culture Council project grant in 2007 (NORA). She has worked as an actor on many film projects, most recently, Paranoid Park, a new feature film by Gus Van Sant. Update! The night will also include Joe's Corner, a video installatio= n by the artist Maureen Catbagan and a performance by Brooklyn-based musician Amelia. Joe's Corner is a life-size video portrait series where androgynous girls dress up as Joe Dallesandro (icon from Andy Warhol=B9s factory) and pos= e as gay boy hustlers who stare seductively and taunt viewers. A Victor Victoria spin on Warholian gritty glamour. Maureen Catbagan is originally from Manila, Philippines and currently lives and works in New York City . She received her BFA in Painting at SUNY Binghamton , and a MFA in Sculptur= e at CUNY - City College . She has shown in a number of museum, galleries, an= d art festivals including The Contemporary Museum in Honolulu, Lab Gallery, Jack Tilton, A.I.R. Gallery, ABC No Rio, and D.U.M.B.O. Arts Festival. Amelia is from Maine and Georgia and Florida and now she lives in Brooklyn. She plays the guitar and makes songs by herself. You can be her internet friend on myspace.com/ameliamaryna. MONDAY, October 1, 8pm Open Reading Sign-up 7:45 PM. Suggested reading time is 3 minutes. WEDNESDAY, October 3, 8pm Larry Fagin & Charles North Larry Fagin is the author of many volumes of poetry including Complete Fragments: Poems 1976-86, I'll Be Seeing You: Selected Poems 1962-76 and Rhymes of a Jerk. He also co-edited The Green Lake is Awake: Selected Poems of Joseph Ceravolo. He teaches poetry privately as well as at the Poetry Project and Naropa University. He is a former Co-Director of the Poetry Project and is the founder and now co-editor of the press Adventures In Poetry. Charles North is the author of eleven books of poems, most recently= , Cadenza. James Schuyler called him =B3the most stimulating poet of his generation=B2 and the Washington Post said he is =B3one of the most memorable o= f contemporary poets.=B2 His previous poetry collection, The Nearness of the Wa= y You Look Tonight, was chosen as one of five finalists for the inaugural Phi Beta Kappa Poetry Award. WRITING WORKSHOPS AT THE POETRY PROJECT: =20 BASIC AND BOLD: LOGOS R US =AD PATRICIA SPEARS JONES TUESDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 9TH =20 Every writer finds a niche, a gesture, the thing that works in what they do= . At some point it may become a style or convention. Sometimes it becomes a crutch. One way to break the mode is to be radical=8Bthat is, return to the roots. What brought you to poetry in the first place? This is a workshop for writers who want to re-look at how the structure and elements of poetry provide the wherewithal to make poems that are as ambitious, thoughtful and innovative as you want them to be. There will be in class writing, assignments, reading, and a revision project called =8BCAN THIS POEM BE SAVED?=8B in which you bring a poem that simply has not come to closure; seem= s to be stuck; or needs to be looked at by fresh eyes in the hope of finding what could make it work. This workshop is geared toward writers who have been seriously writing for some time. Please submit 5-8 pages of poetry an= d a brief description of what you=B9d like to accomplish in the workshop by September 28. African American poet, playwright and cultural commentator, Patricia Spears Jones is author of two collections, Femme du Monde and The Weather That Kills. =20 POETRY LAB: FORMS OF JOYFUL EXPERIMENTATION =AD TODD COLBY FRIDAYS AT 7PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 12TH In this workshop we'll forge new paths to the poem by investigating how far a poem can depart from being =B3a poem=B2 and yet still be a poem. We'll experiment with breath, heartbeat, movement, blogs, the alchemy of words, visions, letters to the editor, spontaneity, psychoanalysis, collaborations= , appropriations and self-hypnosis, along with various traditional forms. The main objective is to create a supportive and inviting atmosphere in our joyfully experimental "Lab." A partial reading list will include: Hannah Weiner, Jacques Lacan, Gertrude Stein, Diane Williams, David Markson, Miranda July, Thomas Bernhard, Bill Knott, Arthur Rimbaud, Alice Notley, Mina Loy, Charles Olson, and Ludwig Wittgenstein. Todd Colby is the author of Tremble & Shine, Riot in the Charm Factory, Cush, and Ripsnort, all of which were published by Soft Skull Press. =20 WORLDLY AND INFINITELY DIMENSIONAL: A WORKSHOP =AD RACHEL LEVITSKY SATURDAYS AT 12PM: 10 SESSIONS BEGIN OCTOBER 13 =20 In these times, the possibilities by which we may amplify, record, document= , display, shape, formulate, and publish words increases daily. Although expanded media and its wide reach are in themselves a meaningful fact of ou= r times, they don=B9t necessarily enhance a poetry=B9s resonance. How do we, and by we I mean both ourselves as ones and ourselves as groups, best construct and perform our poetries so as to be present in these particular times and yet open to the infinite possibilities of =B3projection,=B2 =B3conception,=B2 =B3performance=B2? Familiarizing ourselves with poets like Abigail Child, Julie Patton, Cecilia Vicu=F1a, Bob Dylan, Linton Kwesi Johnson (some will be visiting the workshop), we will consider all means available and any means necessary to project living works into our world. Individually and collaboratively we=B9ll construct performances, visual works, sound events, improvisations, etc. Rachel Levitsky is the author of Under the Sun (Futurepoem) and is the founder and co-editor of Belladonna Books. =20 =20 The workshop fee is $350, which includes a one-year individual Poetry Project membership and tuition for any and all fall spring and fall classes= . Reservations are required due to limited class space, and payment must be received in advance. Please send payment and reservations to: The Poetry Project, St. Mark=B9s Church, 131 E. 10th St., NY, NY 10003. For more information please call (212)674-0910 or e-mail info@poetryproject.com. Become a Poetry Project Member! http://poetryproject.com/membership.php Fall Calendar: http://www.poetryproject.com/calendar.php The Poetry Project is located at St. Mark's Church-in-the-Bowery 131 East 10th Street at Second Avenue New York City 10003 Trains: 6, F, N, R, and L. info@poetryproject.com www.poetryproject.com Admission is $8, $7 for students/seniors and $5 for members (though now those who take out a membership at $85 or higher will get in FREE to all regular readings). We are wheelchair accessible with assistance and advance notice. For more info call 212-674-0910. If you=B9d like to be unsubscribed from this mailing list, please drop a line at info@poetryproject.com. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:07:46 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: andrews@FORDHAM.EDU Subject: Fw: October 6 Benefit for Emily Feinstein Comments: To: brucep@bway.net, ParrasJ@wpunj.edu, perelman@dept.english.upenn.edu, curators@petesbigsalmon.com, kieron@earthlink.net, nickpoetique@earthlink.net, poetics@acsu.buffalo.edu, poproj@thorn.net, info@poetryproject.com, POL@fordham.edu, comitee@comcast.net, re_permitter@yahoo.com, alissa_quart@yahoo.com, gquasha@stationhill.org, mragona@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable If you cannot read this email, please go to http://www.nycreative.biz/public/emilybenefitinvite.html in your web browser. A Benefit for Emily Feinstein Saturday, October 6 Doors open at 7:30 Show starts at 8:00 RSVP - tracy@nycreative.biz $20 Please join us for an incredible evening of performances to raise money= and show love and support for Emily during her treatment for breast cancer. Film "Chronicles of an Asthmatic Stripper" by Sara Jane Lapp Performance by Patricia Hoffbauerand George Sanchez Poets include Alan Davies, Bruce Andrewsand Patrick Smith Improvised music with Singer/Performer Shelley Hirsch, Trombonist James= Staley,and Percussionist Tim Spelios Tap Dancing with Hank Smith& a lecture/demo with Sally Silvers and Patr= icia Hoffbauer Dancer Sally Silversperforms with Bruce Andrews Music with Tracy Wuischpardand Susan Bachemin Improvisational Sound Ensemble featuring laptop, percussion and other devices with Bruce Tovsky, Christine Bard,Ben Owen, Gill Arno, and Anth= ony Ptak We thank Suzanne Fiol of ISSUE Projectfor donating the space for this event.=A0 Without her this would not have been possible. ISSUE Project Room 3rd Avenue and 3rd Street 232 Third Street, Brooklyn 11215 DIRECTIONS MASS TRANSIT F and Gtrains =A0 to CARROLL ST-SMITH ST stop Walk East down Third St over Gowanus Canal to Third Av =3D 5 min walk =A0F, M AND R trains =A0 to NINTH ST-FOURTH AVE stop Walk North on Fourth Av. West on Third St to Third Av =3D 5 min walk DRIVING >>=A0=A0=A0 From Manhattan Bridge =A0=3D 5-10 min drive Proceed straight on to Flatbush Ave. Right on Third Ave (just after Fulton-Nevins Sts) to Third St. >>=A0=A0=A0 From Brooklyn Bridge =A0=3D 5-10 min drive Proceed straight on to Adams St. Left on Atlantic Ave. Right on Third A= ve to Third St. >>=A0=A0=A0 From Battery Tunnel (Right lane toll booth) =A0=3D 3-5 min = drive Take first exit (just after toll) on to Hamilton Ave. Left on Smith St.= Right on Third St to Third Ave. >>=A0=A0=A0 From BQE (278) West =A0=3D 5-10 min drive Exit on Tillary St. Left on Flatbush Ave. Right on Third Ave to Third S= t. >>=A0=A0=A0 From Gowanus Expwy (278) East=3D 5-10 min drive Exit at 39 St. First left on Fourth Ave. Left on Third St to Third Ave.= >>=A0=A0=A0 From Prospect Expwy (27) North=3D 3-5 min drive Exit at Fourth Ave. Right on Fourth Ave. Left on Third St to Third Ave.= _______________________________________________ = ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:36:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: ALDON L NIELSEN Subject: Readings on Two Coasts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Two poetry readings coming up for any of you who might be on either coast! Saturday, Sept. 29 -- SERIOUS PLAY Featuring Catherine Daly, A.L. Nielsen, Yunte Huang, Michelle Detorie & Bruna Mori. Santa Barbara Museum of Art -- 2:15 PM This reading is part of the Santa Barbara Book Festival. There will be other readings throughout the day. Saturday, October 6 - Baltimore, MD A poetry reading featuring A.L. Nielsen and Beth Joselow 8:00 PM Carriage House 2225 Hargrove Street <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are enslaved by what makes us free -- intolerable paradox at the heart of speech. --Robert Kelly Sailing the blogosphere at: http://heatstrings.blogspot.com/ Aldon L. Nielsen Kelly Professor of American Literature The Pennsylvania State University 116 Burrowes University Park, PA 16802-6200 (814) 865-0091 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:08:03 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. Yum and yum. I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. gb On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay > in > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: >> >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. >> As a >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one >> of the >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with >> potatoes left >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a >> rake. I >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat >> them. My >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation >> of my >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David >> >> >> Maria Damon wrote: >> >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring >> pronto???! >> >> Rachel Loden wrote: >> >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand >> herring. >> >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. >> >> Maria wrote: >> >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! >>>> >>>> George Bowering wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> herring! yummy! >>>>>> >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! >> > > "Whip" Bowering Shortstop to the Gods ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:58:06 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <94d53d965c961e0a3463744ad8805afd@sfu.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT oh my oh my, jealous, of a green colo(u)r, etc. i have now found kippered herring in cans, and that's as close as i've gotten for a while. i didn't know ye could smoke that fast either. i've been drying tomatoes for days. g On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, George Bowering wrote: > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > Yum and yum. > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > gb > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay > > in > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle > > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > > > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > >> > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. > >> As a > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one > >> of the > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with > >> potatoes left > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a > >> rake. I > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat > >> them. My > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation > >> of my > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David > >> > >> > >> Maria Damon wrote: > >> > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring > >> pronto???! > >> > >> Rachel Loden wrote: > >> > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand > >> herring. > >> > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. > >> > >> Maria wrote: > >> > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! > >>>> > >>>> George Bowering wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> herring! yummy! > >>>>>> > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > >> > > > > > "Whip" Bowering > Shortstop to the Gods > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:34:38 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: SUBMISSIONS: Women, Action & the Media MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Women, Action & the Media: A Conference for Activists, Journalists & Everyone MIT’s Stata Center, Cambridge, MA March 28 - March 30, 2008 2008 CALL FOR PROPOSALS http://www.centerfornewwords.org/wam/call_for_proposals.php At Women, Action & the Media (WAM!) 2008, we’ll share facts and ideas, develop skills, build collaborations, and create action plans to amplify progressive women’s public voices in society. We’re bringing together more than 400 participants to exchange observations, ideas, experiences, opinions, and tools for change—and plan together for action. We invite you to submit a proposal for a workshop, panel, strategy meeting, digital multimedia presentation, or other conference session. We want to hear your ideas whether you’re a media producer or a PR strategist, a journalist, an activist, an academic, a community organizer, a funder or philanthropist, a “citizen” media watchdog, a media policy advocate, an alternative-network-builder, a blogger, writer, teacher, artist, technology trainer, cartoonist, deejay, (etc!) — we especially encourage proposals from women of color, women under 25 and over 65, low-income women, professionals/producers working in broadcast and online media, and students. Please send us your session proposals. We encourage you to be creative not only with your proposed topic and content, but in your means of presentation—we’re seeking interactive, provocative, dialogue-rich sessions that might as easily involve multimedia, collaborative projects, skills training or live performance as a panel or standard speaker. To Submit a Proposal Please submit a proposal (not more than 500 words) including: o Presenters’ first and last names (please only propose presenters whose availability to attend has been confirmed) o Relevant biographical information for each presenter (please be sure to include any information which will help us ensure equitable representation of speakers on the basis of race/ethnicity, class, sexual orientation, gender identity, degree of physical ability, and age) o Goal of the session: What are the presenter/organizers goals for producing this session and what do you hope will happen? o Format of presentation, plus unique features, e.g., equipment needs o What type of audience your presentation is geared toward. Please be specific as to what you assume people attending your session will already know, what skills or experience they should have, etc. o Email address o Mailing address o Telephone number(s) o Title of the presentation Incomplete proposals may not be considered. Length: 250 to 500 words Preference will be given to sessions that: o involve at least 50 percent women of color as presenters or session leaders o involve low-income women as presenters or session leaders o involve women under 25 and/or women over 65 as presenters or session leaders o have a goal of fostering post-conference action or activism by the participants Formats for presentations may include: o multimedia/performance - e.g., video, guerrilla theater, etc. o lecture (must include significant time for q&a) o workshop (hands-on skill-building) o strategic planning, collaboration or action/organizing meeting o panel discussion with moderator (must include significant time for q&a) o media action brunch (planning for post-conference action) o combinations of these formats, or other formats entirely! All sessions should run for 90 minutes. Timeline and Important Dates: Proposal submission deadline: 10/12/2007 Notification of acceptance or rejection: 11/9/2007 Please feel free to call us with questions as you prepare your proposals: 617-876-5310. Submissions will be reviewed and evaluated by the steering committee. Please send your submission to wam2008@centerfornewwords.org with the subject line WAM!2008 Session Proposal, or mail it to Center for New Words/7 Temple Street/Cambridge, MA 02139/Attn: WAM!2008 Session Proposals. You will receive a confirmation of our receiving your submission within 3 working days. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:43:45 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Amanda Earl Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <94d53d965c961e0a3463744ad8805afd@sfu.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed have you ever tried unagi, smoked eel? it's amazing. you can get it at sushi restaurants. i had to come out of lurk for smoked fish. here near ottawa in old chelesea we used to have a great smoked fish place, but it burnt down. amanda At 09:08 PM 27/09/2007, you wrote: >Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel >that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > >Yum and yum. > >I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > >gb ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:55:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: New Perforations call for material: THE INHUMAN/...SPIRIT (fwd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:27:31 -0500 From: robert cheatham To: artnews@pd.org, word-l@pd.org Subject: New Perforations call for material: THE INHUMAN/...SPIRIT Public Domain Inc. announces the call for submissions for Perforations 31: * The Inhuman: Anticipations, Thresholds, Technics - Special Effects of the Spirit. * Any mention of 'spirit' is sure to induce a spirited discussion with us moderns, unless we believe there is a New Age a'coming (and which is perpetually on the way)-- or not -- and we've already made up our mind. But everyone likes a good supernatural horror flick, a good ghost story, or a good performance artist who spazzes out or the latest paranormal reports of sprites, spirits, the possessed, ufos, Virgin Mary apparitions, crop circles, the latest Halo 3.0 release, and much more. At the same time, the technical apparatus which surrounds us, enters us, comes from us, makes us doubt what the 'human' is and what the limits and borders of that may be and whether a technical civilization is on the way to crossing the Nietzschean bridge to ... something else. this issue of perforations is interested in the 'something else' that folds into the 'spirit.' For a more considered exploration of the Perf 31 problematic please go to: http://www.pd.org/Perforations/perf31/index-perf31.html Node 31 of Perforations will entertain your multi-media contributions. videos, hyper-texts, articles, reviews. Deadline: April 2008 Thank you for your consideration.. senior editor: Robert Cheatham - zeug@pd.org media editor: Chea Prince - chea@pd.org technical editor: Jim Demmers - jdemmers@pd.org * The two most recent perforations issues are: Hauntology [P 29] http://www.pd.org/Perforations/perf29/perf29_index.html and Hut Tech / Bare Life [P 30] http://www.pd.org/Perforations/perf30/index-perf30.html General Perforations index: http://www.pd.org/HTML/perforations-index.html Other Public Domain services, including list serves and podcasts: http://www.pd.org Perforations and FORT! / da? Press are divisions of Public Domain Inc. a 501 (c) 3, nonprofit arts and information organization. Public Domain, Perforations, and FORT! / da? Press may be contacted through any of the following modes: * Public Domain, P. O. Box 8899, Atlanta, Georgia U.S.A. 30306-0899 * electronic mail: info@pd.org -- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:30:35 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: i'm sick of swallowing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i'm sick of swallowing in my own adulterated view, defuge is connected with the hunt as well, with the ravishment and devouring of the other, with propitiation. oh i'm so tired having taken you and reduced you to nothing, oh such tired and you're nothing to me, not even flesh, not even a smear on the carpet, once ravished, you're all over, what the fuck i hunt and one of you is not enough; my cock hunts you down. lucky me i got a gun. lucky me you don't. kill me, i'm bored. interest in, and may hunt at his pleasure; where besides the pleasure in and as I hunt the world of storm, I fear for your safety and my own. In in my own adulterated view, defuge is connected with the hunt as well, through the message bases, in the form of a hunt or retrieval: recupera- that it produced language, just as the hunt did. That the repetitive bab- then i hunt for something stronger than pills from the hunt and the preparation of ancient flesh. constituted, constructed, as the humans on the hunt - no more or less. i kill all priest. worry lama. hunt rabbi. kill shaman. kill all grand my own adulterated view, defuge is connected with the hunt as well, (and the man on the hunt for the rabbit. The man-dog is preyer; the rabbit is while there's no stopping humans from the hunt - elon grief dim weapons quiver savoury love hunt obey kids goats loveth vinegar, the wine! Seize the hand, hunt with it, angle it upward! Mend deleted weemails should scream them bloody with hunt But them for with now views them But scream views 349: should them hunt that 349: that But with bloody is is bloody now for weemails is should with machette. hunt that now murder scream with scream them for murder with them hunt But just bloody But with now play play machette. hunt for nowand approach murder practice. i hunt on the internet. i shape ride on the internet. i speak You can hunt anywhere, you can hunt online. Ghosts are here, their images you can't smash them. i want to sleep. kill me, i'm bored. identity self hunt economy dyad eat wife-force co- o god ravish me isn't the same as oh god ravish me. i can't tell the difference. eating flesh helps for a while. fuck you i'll code your flesh i'll stamp it out. there's this odd calm after the hunt but then it turns to slaughter. breathing heavy it's a sign. don't wait to breathe heavy. To code is not to produce codework; it is to produce code on the level of the code or interface. Bridged code, embedded code, is not codework; the irreversible spew of cellular automata is codework, all the better if the rules are noisy. The cultural production of codework abjures intensifications, strange attractors, descriptions such as this (which is the oldest game in the book). The hunt and reception of short-wave number codes is codework. Writers on the edge are circumscribed by codework, malfunctioned psychoanalytics, scatologies endlessly coded and decoded; the codes are dissolute, partial, always already incomplete: the differend is codework. (for s.b. in conversation) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:04:02 +0100 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: colin herd Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <94d53d965c961e0a3463744ad8805afd@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is the nicest smoked fish i know- http://arbroath-smokie.co.uk/catalog/smokie.php On 9/28/07, George Bowering wrote: > > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > Yum and yum. > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > gb > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay > > in > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle > > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > > > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > >> > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. > >> As a > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one > >> of the > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with > >> potatoes left > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a > >> rake. I > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat > >> them. My > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation > >> of my > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David > >> > >> > >> Maria Damon wrote: > >> > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring > >> pronto???! > >> > >> Rachel Loden wrote: > >> > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand > >> herring. > >> > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. > >> > >> Maria wrote: > >> > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! > >>>> > >>>> George Bowering wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> herring! yummy! > >>>>>> > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > >> > > > > > "Whip" Bowering > Shortstop to the Gods > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:15:48 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gabrielle Welford Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <200709280350.l8S3oI88029663@mail.storm.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT too many smoking fish--always a bad idea. yes, unagi. very good. g On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, Amanda Earl wrote: > have you ever tried unagi, smoked eel? it's amazing. you can get it > at sushi restaurants. > > i had to come out of lurk for smoked fish. here near ottawa in old > chelesea we used to have a great smoked fish place, but it burnt down. > > amanda > > At 09:08 PM 27/09/2007, you wrote: > >Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > >that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > > >Yum and yum. > > > >I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > > >gb > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:46:00 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To my sorrow I came across http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst&link=hp, which has a pull-down menu of commercially-available fish, with ecological and health ratings. Herring and the mackerel we're most likely to find in the market are fine, a lot of other favorites not so. I was in Holland for the annual herring fest. Fillets of young herring were given out free and fresh from the ocean in celebration of the new season. It's been probably 20 years, but I can still taste them. Mark At 10:58 PM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >oh my oh my, jealous, of a green colo(u)r, etc. i have now found kippered >herring in cans, and that's as close as i've gotten for a while. i didn't >know ye could smoke that fast either. i've been drying tomatoes for days. >g > >On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, George Bowering wrote: > > > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > > > Yum and yum. > > > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > > > gb > > > > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > > > > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, > > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay > > > in > > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > > > > > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > > >> > > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. > > >> As a > > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one > > >> of the > > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with > > >> potatoes left > > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a > > >> rake. I > > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat > > >> them. My > > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation > > >> of my > > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David > > >> > > >> > > >> Maria Damon wrote: > > >> > > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring > > >> pronto???! > > >> > > >> Rachel Loden wrote: > > >> > > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand > > >> herring. > > >> > > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. > > >> > > >> Maria wrote: > > >> > > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! > > >>>> > > >>>> George Bowering wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> herring! yummy! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > > >> > > > > > > > > "Whip" Bowering > > Shortstop to the Gods > > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:28:17 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <94d53d965c961e0a3463744ad8805afd@sfu.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ooohhh, mackerel! i love mackerel, smoked or not. one of my mother's more earthy expressions from rural Denmark: "it shines like rotten mackerel in the moonlight..." George Bowering wrote: > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > Yum and yum. > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > gb > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > >> kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, >> hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. >> okay in >> hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle >> >> On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: >> >>> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: >>> >>> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. >>> As a >>> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been >>> one of the >>> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with >>> potatoes left >>> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a >>> rake. I >>> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat >>> them. My >>> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the >>> consternation of my >>> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David >>> >>> >>> Maria Damon wrote: >>> >>> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring >>> pronto???! >>> >>> Rachel Loden wrote: >>> >>> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand >>> herring. >>> >>> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. >>> >>> Maria wrote: >>> >>>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! >>>>> >>>>> George Bowering wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> herring! yummy! >>>>>>> >>>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! >>> >> >> > "Whip" Bowering > Shortstop to the Gods ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:24:11 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Catherine Daly Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline alton brown's website on food network had a way to make a smoker : basically two large flowerpots, a hotplate, a large (10 gal?) metal pasta pot, wood chips, a grate, and a thermometer. works best to smoke fish -- our hot plate burned out after two smoking sessions tho -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:28:16 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tony Trigilio Organization: http://www.starve.org Subject: 2007-2008 Readings at Columbia College Chicago MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Columbia College Chicago 2007-2008 Reading Series Sponsored by the English Department All readings free & open to the public Call 312-344-8819 for more info JEFFERY CONWAY & DAVID TRINIDAD Wednesday, October 3, 2007 Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 S. Michigan Ave., 5:30 p.m. RICK HILLES & JO McDOUGALL Wednesday, November 14, 2007 Collins Hall, 624 S. Michigan, 6th floor, 5:30 p.m. Poetics Lecture by DANIELLE PAFUNDA Wednesday, February 6, 2008 Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 S. Michigan Ave., 5:30 p.m. AIMEE NEZHUKUMATATHIL, KATE GREENSTREET, & MICHAEL ROBINS Wednesday, March 5, 2008 Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 S. Michigan Ave., 5:30 p.m. 9th ANNUAL COLUMBIA COLLEGE CITYWIDE UNDERGRADUATE POETRY FESTIVAL Thursday, April 3, 2008 Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 S. Michigan Ave., 5:30 p.m. ALICE NOTLEY & RACHEL ZUCKER Wednesday, April 9, 2008 Music Center Concert Hall, 1014 S. Michigan Ave., 5:30 p.m. COLUMBIA POETRY REVIEW READING AND RELEASE PARTY Thursday, May 1, 2008 Sherwood Conservatory Recital Hall (tentative location), 5:30 p.m. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:06:41 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: CA Conrad Subject: 9 poets 9 cities: BROOKLYN, GREENCASTLE, SEOUL, SYDNEY, PHILADELPHIA, AUSTIN, SEATTLE, TORONTO, SAN FRANCISCO MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 9 poets in 9 cities have been asked to give poetry readings where poems by all 9 poets are read. There will be 9 rounds of these readings, one in the spring and one in the fall each year until all 81 poets have had their readings. Below you will see the readers, their bios, and a link to a separate page for each particular reading, which includes comment space for their audience members. Please enjoy, and I hope you attend one of these readings in your city. THE FIRST READING IS THIS WEEKEND IN TORONTO SCROLL DOWN TO a.rawlings WHERE YOU WILL FIND A LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF HER BIO LEADING TO DETAILS OF HER EVENT, THANK YOU Details for this new series at: http://9poets9cities.blogspot.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:55:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Which pop song most sets feminism back? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the clock back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an anthem for those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest thus....of course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your Man," although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a man..." as a very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever will be blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:04:29 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Bibby, Michael" Subject: JOB: Creative Writing - Poetry Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Dear Poetics-L folks: Here's a copy of our job ad--please consider applying or passing this along= to someone you think might be interested. It's a 4/4 load, but there is a= one-course release every other year for doing the student lit journal. We= 're a unionized faculty and generally a nice bunch to hang with: ------------------------------------------------------------------ Tenure-track assistant professor in Creative Writing (Poetry), full-time ap= pointment beginning August 2008. MFA or PhD required by time of appointment= . Candidates must demonstrate a commitment to teaching, service, and profes= sional activity including published poetry (preferably a book). Twelve-hour= course load each semester will include creative writing, other courses in = the English major, and general education courses, with course reduction ava= ilable for advising the student literary magazine. Additional teaching expe= rtise in creative nonfiction and/or literary study desirable. The committee= will request writing samples from selected candidates and may meet with th= ese candidates at MLA. On-campus interviews will include a demonstration of= teaching effectiveness and a brief poetry reading. Submit letter of application, curriculum vitae, undergraduate and graduate = transcripts, and three letters of reference to: Michael Bibby, Chair Creative Writing Search Committee Department of English Shippensburg University 1871 Old Main Drive Shippensburg, PA 17257 Review of applications begins November 2, 2007, and will continue until the= position is filled. For more information about the Department of English and Shippensburg Unive= rsity, see http://webspace.ship.edu/english/. All candidates must furnish proof of eligibility to work in the U.S. upon a= ppointment. Offers of employment are contingent upon successful completion = of a criminal background check. Evidence of a commitment to understanding d= iverse populations will be required as part of the on-campus interview. Wom= en, persons of color, veterans, and the disabled are encouraged to apply. S= hippensburg University is committed to equal employment opportunity. ------------------------------------------------------------------ best, Michael Bibby Professor, Dept. of English Shippensburg University mibibb@ship.edu ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:02:08 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070928083857.067b5b10@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark, thank you for this very important list. bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Mark Weiss To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 6:46 am Subject: Re: mackerel To my sorrow I came across http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst&link=hp, which has a pull-down menu of commercially-available fish, with ecological and health ratings. Herring and the mackerel we're most likely to find in the market are fine, a lot of other favorites not so.? ? I was in Holland for the annual herring fest. Fillets of young herring were given out free and fresh from the ocean in celebration of the new season. It's been probably 20 years, but I can still taste them.? ? Mark? ? At 10:58 PM 9/27/2007, you wrote:? >oh my oh my, jealous, of a green colo(u)r, etc. i have now found kippered? >herring in cans, and that's as close as i've gotten for a while. i didn't? >know ye could smoke that fast either. i've been drying tomatoes for days.? >g? >? >On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, George Bowering wrote:? >? > > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel? > > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before.? > >? > > Yum and yum.? > >? > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days.? > >? > > gb? > >? > >? > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote:? > >? > > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then,? > > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay? > > > in? > > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle? > > >? > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote:? > > >? > > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]:? > > >>? > > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding.? > > >> As a? > > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one? > > >> of the? > > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with? > > >> potatoes left? > > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a? > > >> rake. I? > > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat? > > >> them. My? > > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation? > > >> of my? > > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David? > > >>? > > >>? > > >> Maria Damon wrote:? > > >>? > > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring? > > >> pronto???!? > > >>? > > >> Rachel Loden wrote:? > > >>? > > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand? > > >> herring.? > > >>? > > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring.? > > >>? > > >> Maria wrote:? > > >>? > > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em!? > > >>>>? > > >>>> George Bowering wrote:? > > >>>>? > > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote:? > > >>>>>? > > >>>>>? > > >>>>>> herring! yummy!? > > >>>>>>? > > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table!? > > >>? > > >? > > >? > > "Whip" Bowering? > > Shortstop to the Gods? > >? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:08:12 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed sorry to be a party pooper, but can't the fish talk migrate to a fish site. or does everybody think this is the time & place for the poetics of fish?? c At 08:24 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >alton brown's website on food network had a way to make a smoker : >basically two large flowerpots, a hotplate, a large (10 gal?) metal >pasta pot, wood chips, a grate, and a thermometer. > >works best to smoke fish -- our hot plate burned out after two smoking >sessions tho > >-- >All best, >Catherine Daly >c.a.b.daly@gmail.com charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 650 E. 9th St. Tucson, AZ 85705 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:06:59 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Israel & US attack plans for Syria & Iran/Air Force refused to fly nukes to Mid East MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *Air Force refused to fly weapons (nukes) to Middle East theater* By Wayne Madsen Sept. 24, 2007 Author's website WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community. Yesterday, the /Washington Post/ attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons. The /Washington Post/ story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE. Just as this report was being prepared, /Newsweek/ reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria. WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a 'reputed Syrian nuclear facility' in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran. WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran. PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is *now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran* that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident. Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria anyhow in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other. The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays /Washington Post/. The article, titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing." Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran. CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, *Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. * *Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.* Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to /Military Times/ on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media. In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command. Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey. WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities. The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. *The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. *However, the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution. This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained. Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org -- or in the media. The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since. Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on the country's own role in nuclear proliferation,* including its program to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. *The role of Ronald Reagan's Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 /New York Times/ article titled, "3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and other governments. There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's /Dominion Post/ reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea. New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from leaving. *The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true intentions. * NOTE: WMR understands the risks to informed individuals in reporting the events of August 29/30, to the present time, that concern the discord within the U.S. Air Force, U.S. intelligence agencies, and other military services. 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Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:22:34 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: great class coming up! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CALLING ALL POETS AND WRITERS WITH A DESIRE TO THINK BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF YOUR POETIC PRACTICE!! NEW CLASS AT THE NEW POETRY CENTER -- 1508 E. HELEN - CALL 626-3765 TO= REGISTER BEGINS OCTOBER 5TH -- THROUGH DECEMBER 10TH (NO CLASS ON NOV. 26) 6-8 PM ON MONDAYS AT THE POETRY CENTER WORKSHOP IN EXPERIMENTAL/OFF-CENTER POETICS Taught by Barbara Henning, Charles Alexander, Tenney Nathanson and Laynie Browne FOUR POETS, FOUR UNITS, two weeks with each instructor Cost for Class $200 Materials $20 total CALL 626-3765 The four poets teaching this eight-week workshop=20 will each focus (for two weeks) on some=20 experimental, off-center poetic techniques for writing poetry. We invent in order to get ourselves into=20 places where we otherwise would not arrive, and=20 hopefully make discoveries and new formulations along the way. Some of these approaches will include or=20 slant away from autobiographical inclusive=20 writing, pantoums, collage, dialogic writing, mixed and cross-genre writing, the visual and=20 written, the elastic sonnet, found material,=20 erasure, chance procedures, kitchen sink poetics, shaggy writing, and swerving toward the new. Following=20 are some of the poets the workshop might=20 read: Frank O=B9Hara, Bernadette Mayer, John Ashbery, William Carlos Williams, Ezra Pound, Paul Blackburn and Phillip Whalen. BIOS Laynie Browne is the author of six books of=20 poetry, most recently, Daily Sonnets (Counterpath=20 Books,2007) and Drawing of a Swan Before Memory,=20 winner of the Contemporary Poetry Series (U of=20 Georgia Press, 2005). Forthcoming is The Scented=20 Fox, a National Poetry Series selection (Wave=20 Books 2007). She has taught creative writing=20 courses at University of Washington and Mills=20 College, and has taught poetry-in-the-schools in=20 New York, Seattle, and Oakland. Charles Alexander's books of poetry include=20 Hopeful Buildings (Chax, 1990), Arc of Light/Dark=20 Matter (Segue, 1992), Near or Random Acts=20 (Singing Horse, 2004), Certain Slants (Junction,=20 2007), and several chapbooks. He founded Chax=20 Press in 1984. He has read and taught workshops=20 and exhibited book arts works throughout the=20 United States and beyond. He is the most recent=20 recipient of the Arizona Arts Award. Barbara Henning is the author of two novels and=20 seven books of poetry. Her most recent books are=20 a collection of sonnets, My Autobiography (United=20 Artists, 2007) and You, Me and the Insects, a=20 novel (Spuyten Duyvil, 2005). Thirty Miles to=20 Rosebud is forthcoming from Spuyten Duyvil. In=20 the 90's Barbara was the editor of Long News in=20 the Short Century. She was born in Detroit,=20 relocated to New York City in the early eighties=20 and has recently moved to Tucson, Arizona.=20 Presently, she is teaching for Long Island University and Naropa University. Tenney Nathanson is the author of the book-length=20 poem Home on the Range (The Night Sky with Stars=20 in My Mouth) (O Books, 2005) and the collection=20 Erased Art (Chax Press, 2005). His critical=20 study Whitman=B9s Presence: Body, Voice, and=20 Writing in Leaves of Grass=B8 (NYU, 1992, rpt.=20 1994) is still in print. Nathanson's current=20 project is a book-length poem, Ghost Snow Fall=20 through the Void (Globalization). A native New=20 Yorker, he has lived since1985 in Tucson, where=20 he teaches American poetry and, from time to=20 time, creative writing in the English Department at the University of= Arizona. charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 650 E. 9th St. Tucson, AZ 85705 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:44:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tracey Gagne Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <8C9D0077EBE8F18-1638-9ACA@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have crossed my path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I want to mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this morning. Some research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, which is the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or something like that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to consider: "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their husbands.... Yuck! Cheers, Tracey On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the clock > back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an anthem for > those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest thus....of > course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your Man," > although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a man..." as a > very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever will be > blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:48:30 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Patrick Duggan Subject: Boston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi everyone, I just moved back to Boston this month from San Francisco, where I did my MFA, and I was wondering if anyone on this wonderful listserv of ours knew any interesting reading series, any good places to finds lists of lectures and readings, and good small presses, any workshops or salons, etc. in the city. I lived in Boston years and years ago when I was in college, but I wasn't the invested poet that I am now. I've heard of Grub Street, but that's about it. Thanks! Patrick ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:57:24 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <200709280350.l8S3oI88029663@mail.storm.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Now, that's what I call extreme smoking! On Sep 27, 2007, at 8:43 PM, Amanda Earl wrote: > have you ever tried unagi, smoked eel? it's amazing. you can get it at > sushi restaurants. > > i had to come out of lurk for smoked fish. here near ottawa in old > chelesea we used to have a great smoked fish place, but it burnt down. > > amanda > > At 09:08 PM 27/09/2007, you wrote: >> Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel >> that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. >> >> Yum and yum. >> >> I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. >> >> gb > > George Harry Bowering Can't find his Speedo ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:17:19 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" sounds good, Colin. bobbi -----Original Message----- From: colin herd colinjherd@GOOGLEMAIL.COM This is the nicest smoked fish i know- http://arbroath-smokie.co.uk/catalog/smokie.php On 9/28/07, George Bowering wrote: > > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. > > Yum and yum. > > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. > > gb > > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: > > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, then, > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. okay > > in > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle > > > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: > > > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: > >> > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. > >> As a > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have been one > >> of the > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with > >> potatoes left > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a > >> rake. I > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat > >> them. My > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the consternation > >> of my > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David > >> > >> > >> Maria Damon wrote: > >> > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring > >> pronto???! > >> > >> Rachel Loden wrote: > >> > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand > >> herring. > >> > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. > >> > >> Maria wrote: > >> > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! > >>>> > >>>> George Bowering wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> herring! yummy! > >>>>>> > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! > >> > > > > > "Whip" Bowering > Shortstop to the Gods > ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:22:58 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: George Bowering Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070928083857.067b5b10@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In the new edition of the Guiness book of Records, it is a guy in India who holds the record for how many fish you can put in your mouth and eject from your nose. Check it out. gb On Sep 28, 2007, at 5:46 AM, Mark Weiss wrote: > To my sorrow I came across > http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst&link=hp, which > has a pull-down menu of commercially-available fish, with ecological > and health ratings. Herring and the mackerel we're most likely to find > in the market are fine, a lot of other favorites not so. > > I was in Holland for the annual herring fest. Fillets of young herring > were given out free and fresh from the ocean in celebration of the new > season. It's been probably 20 years, but I can still taste them. > > Mark > > > At 10:58 PM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >> oh my oh my, jealous, of a green colo(u)r, etc. i have now found >> kippered >> herring in cans, and that's as close as i've gotten for a while. i >> didn't >> know ye could smoke that fast either. i've been drying tomatoes for >> days. >> g >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, George Bowering wrote: >> >> > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel >> > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. >> > >> > Yum and yum. >> > >> > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. >> > >> > gb >> > >> > >> > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: >> > >> > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, >> then, >> > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. >> okay >> > > in >> > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle >> > > >> > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: >> > > >> > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: >> > >> >> > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are >> holding. >> > >> As a >> > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have >> been one >> > >> of the >> > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with >> > >> potatoes left >> > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as >> a >> > >> rake. I >> > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat >> > >> them. My >> > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the >> consternation >> > >> of my >> > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Maria Damon wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring >> > >> pronto???! >> > >> >> > >> Rachel Loden wrote: >> > >> >> > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand >> > >> herring. >> > >> >> > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. >> > >> >> > >> Maria wrote: >> > >> >> > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> George Bowering wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> herring! yummy! >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > "Whip" Bowering >> > Shortstop to the Gods >> > > > "Whip" Bowering Shortstop to the Gods ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:40:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Bobbi Lurie Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <200709280350.l8S3oI88029663@mail.storm.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" yeah, but amanda, please be careful with the sushi....i really got sick recently from sushi...i'm not sure all the fish they use for sushi is fresh enough...but that's just my separate, individual, personal experience with a restaurant on mac dougal street in new york...it may not even be there anymore...but i stopped eating sushi ever since....in any event, i'm all for the smoked fish idea...can't help it...do you ever eat smoked white fish?--just be careful of the bones--otherwise, it's great esp. on a bagel with tomato and red onion (and cream cheese, of course--and please don't bother with flavored cream cheese--the plain cream cheese is the best for this particular sandwich i mentioned above)...bobbi -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Earl To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU Sent: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 9:43 pm Subject: Re: mackerel have you ever tried unagi, smoked eel? it's amazing. you can get it at sushi restaurants.? ? i had to come out of lurk for smoked fish. here near ottawa in old chelesea we used to have a great smoked fish place, but it burnt down.? ? amanda? ? At 09:08 PM 27/09/2007, you wrote:? >Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel? >that my host's teen daughter caught the day before.? >? >Yum and yum.? >? >I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days.? >? >gb? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:07:22 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Gerald Schwartz Subject: West Point & poetry MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Elizabeth D. Samet's essay in today's NYT: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/30/magazine/30WestPoint-t.html?_r=3D1&hp=3D= &oref=3Dslogin&pagewanted=3Dall ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:22:57 +0800 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: lily robert-foley Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 how 'bout the Ludicrous song: "Move, bitch. Get out the way. Get out the= way, bitch, get out the way." ? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W.B. Keckler" > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU > Subject: Which pop song most sets feminism back? > Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:55:23 -0400 >=20 >=20 > Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the=20 > most offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set=20 > the clock back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is=20 > for Sheena Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems=20 > to be an anthem for those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies=20 > and happiest thus....of course there are the so-called obvious=20 > songs like "Stand By Your Man," although I always focused on the=20 > line "After all, he's just a man..." as a very funny condescending=20 > line...any suggestions? send to Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final=20 > top ten or twenty or whatever will be blog-logged at Joe Brainard's=20 > Pyjamas (www. joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL=20 > Mail! - http://mail.aol.com > --=20 Powered By Outblaze ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:36:35 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Charlie Rossiter Subject: Readings in Central NY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be doing a couple of readings Oct 6 & 7 in Central NY (Kanona and Vestal)--both are roughly in the Binghamton area) with my new book "The Night We Danced With the Raelettes" from Foothills Publishing, based in Kanona. If anyone's up for a poetic roadtrip drop on by. . . Saturday Oct 6, 3 pm in Kanona, NY directions are at... http://www.foothillspublishing.com/wheeler/index.htm You can also see pics of recent readings...a lovely setting. Sunday Oct 7,. 4 pm in Vestal, NY email me if you want directions for this one Charlie ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:20:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David Chirot Subject: Fwd: PERFORMA07: Second Biennial of New Visual Art Performance in New York City In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline ICA8aHR0cDovL3d3dy5wZXJmb3JtYS1hcnRzLm9yZy8+CioqCgoKCgoKCipQRVJGT1JNQTA3ClNF Q09ORCBCSUVOTklBTCBPRiBORVcgVklTVUFMIEFSVCBQRVJGT1JNQU5DRSBJTiBORVcgWU9SSyBD SVRZCgpPQ1RPQkVSIDI3IFRIUk9VR0gKTk9WRU1CRVIgMjAsIDIwMDcqCgpodHRwOi8vd3d3LnBl cmZvcm1hLWFydHMub3JnCgotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KCgoqUEVSRk9S TUEwNyosIHRoZSBzZWNvbmQgYmllbm5pYWwgb2YgbmV3IHZpc3VhbCBhcnQgcGVyZm9ybWFuY2Us IG9wZW5zIG9uCk9jdG9iZXIgMjcgaW4gTmV3IFlvcmsgQ2l0eSwgbGF1bmNoaW5nIGEgZm91ci13 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List Folks, =20 Just a note to say that my new book is out now. John Ashbery picked it for = the National Poetry Series.=20 The first ten pages are up on this site: http://www.poems.com/poem.php?date= =3D13783 =20 Novel Pictorial Noise $12.95, 128 pages, Harper Perennial, 978-0061257032=20 =20 From Publishers WeeklyStarred Review. The prolific Gordon here takes his cu= es from Ashbery=97who picked this collection for the National Poetry Series= =97but also from poets ranging from Rilke to Peter Gizzi. In alternating pa= ges of prose and spare verse lines, he plays freely in the realm between th= eory and lyric: Sculpture seeks articulation of the air around it. Thus, a = heron thrusting overhead mutes modernism. Each of the 50 one-paragraph pros= e poems starts with a proposition and then attempts to both follow through = on its initial lunge and also force the reader off the most obvious trails = of thought, usually by tossing in a few surprises: an Ajax bottle, Alice Ne= el, a dab of wisteria and a strip of duct tape make appearances in two line= s of one poem. Gordon closes each poem with an artfully clumsy rhyming coup= let=97One packs in what one can, as the real point of art is the subtle rei= teration of the is, ain't it? The way I see it, we're all partially tainted= =97alternately lending irony and vulnerability. While this is a difficult b= ook steeped in canonical and postmodern poetic traditions=97meaning it won'= t appeal to everyone=97it's packed with thrills and discoveries that might = engender some discussion. (Sept.) Copyright =A9 Reed Business Information, = a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.=20 =20 "Gordon's poems take the form of jotted notes in an artist's notebook (I wa= s reminded in particular of Odilon Redon's). Each day one begins anew to we= ave the web, having moved a step forward (or sometimes backward), since yes= terday's attempt. Thus each prose bloc, modified or modulated by the ghostl= y fragments that interleave them, sharpens the focus by which he 'attempt[s= ] via the unknown to give grammar a purpose.' The effort in itself is its o= wn reward, and a prodigal one." =97John Ashbery =20 "In this collection of prose poems, Noah Eli Gordon's dark portrayal of wha= t we've come to circa 2007 rings true again and again. A moribund psychosoc= ial system has seldom been depicted with greater acumen and flair."=97Rae A= rmantrout =20 "Control being an ongoing subject, vice, tool, and problem for poetry is at= the heart of the speaker's mind in Gordon's book. When the poet says, 'per= haps unreliability is the locus of representation,' he's not trying to club= you with irony; he's trying to figure out how the whole shebang, the big p= icture, hangs together. This book is about life, art, form, and perception.= It functions musically, it's an amiable read, and I hope it damages you as= much as it's damaging me, gently speaking." =97Anselm Berrigan =20 Thanks, NEG =20 PS: some new books I'm reading & dig: =20 Julie Carr's Equivocal Dorothea Lasky's Awe Selah Saterstrom's new novel The Meat and Spirit Plan Joseph Lease's Broken World (see my review here: http://www.raintaxi.com/on= line/2007summer/lease.shtml ) Tony Tost's Complex Sleep Rod Smith's Deed Pierre Reverdy's Prose Poems (Padgett's translation, and the new Ron Padget= t book is great too! but you already knew that!) Brenda Coultas's The Marvelous Bones of Time Garrett Caples's Complications Laura Solomon's Blue and Red Things Jennifer Moxley's The Line & The Middle Room Brain Kim Stefans's Kludge Rae Armantrout's Collected Prose=20 & many more...like Elizabeth Reddin's The Hot Garment of Love Is Insecure, = which is a book that you'll read straight through & then sit down and write= pages and pages! =20 (see it's aint easy keepin' up, is it?!) =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now! http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx= ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:18:23 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alan Sondheim Subject: If I were a different species MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed If I were a different species I'd be me I'd still be me If I were a smelly goose-pickle I'd be me I'd still be me If I were a protein shop I'd be me I'd still be me If I were a blue kasina I'd be me I'd still be me I'm am me I'm still am me http://www.asondheim.org/beauty.mp4 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:20:10 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: Gore on politics and the Internet MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit There's a review by Michael Tomasky of 'The Assault on Reason' by Al Gore at http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20593 Among other things, I found this review interesting for its mention of Gore's thoughts on the relation of contemporary USA politics and the Internet. Tomasky quotes from Gore's book: "Today's massive flows of information are largely in only one direction. The world of television makes it virtually impossible for individuals to take part in what passes for a national conversation. Individuals receive, but they cannot send. They absorb, but they cannot share. They hear, but they do not speak. They see constant motion, but they do not move themselves. The "well-informed citizenry" is in danger of becoming the "well-amused audience."" And, later, the Tomasky says: "In his concluding chapter, Gore places his hopes in the Internet as the source of a new civic forum with the potential to change the way we talk to one another." ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:34:43 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Hugh Behm-Steinberg Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What you want is a Cameron Stovetop smoker -- great for fish of all kinds, and you don't have to mess with flowerpots! http://www.cameronscookware.com/Stovetop%20Smoker.aspx Hugh Behm-Steinberg Catherine Daly wrote: alton brown's website on food network had a way to make a smoker : basically two large flowerpots, a hotplate, a large (10 gal?) metal pasta pot, wood chips, a grate, and a thermometer. works best to smoke fish -- our hot plate burned out after two smoking sessions tho -- All best, Catherine Daly c.a.b.daly@gmail.com --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:37:52 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Peter Ciccariello Subject: g, alone MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline g, alone -- Peter Ciccariello http://invisiblenotes.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:05:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Re: mackerel In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070928083857.067b5b10@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit one of my dreamiest recent experiences was a day in July 2004 in Stenbjerg, a small fishing town in northern Denmark where my cousin lives; one day a year they turn the whole town over to hosting a huge buffet style all-you-can-eat sitdown meal of fish, roe and shellfish dishes cooked (or not) by the locals: enormous platters of poached salmon, marinated herring, fried flounder fillets, shrimp, patés, everything, for abt $15. Beer and schnapps a bit extra. A band of three accordions and a guitar play old corny songs, the kind my mother used to sing around the house. old ladies swayed over their beers and tapped time on the long tables with blissful expressions. The two young men across the table from my cousin, her boyfriend and me dropped their jaws in astonishment at the heapingness of my plate; i wasn't gonna miss out on *anything.* I even went back for seconds. I was the only tourist there. In another fishhouse across the small street was dessert and coffee; i had me a whipped cream and strawberry cake orgy. it really was unbelievable. Afterwards we walked on the beach of the west coast, drove around, stopped at a viking graveyard i happened to have seen in a tourist book, and picked up fresh strawberries and cream for dessert the next day, when we also picked wild blueberries and visited a stork nest in someone's back yard. Mark Weiss wrote: > To my sorrow I came across > http://www.oceansalive.org/eat.cfm?subnav=bestandworst&link=hp, which > has a pull-down menu of commercially-available fish, with ecological > and health ratings. Herring and the mackerel we're most likely to find > in the market are fine, a lot of other favorites not so. > > I was in Holland for the annual herring fest. Fillets of young herring > were given out free and fresh from the ocean in celebration of the new > season. It's been probably 20 years, but I can still taste them. > > Mark > > > At 10:58 PM 9/27/2007, you wrote: >> oh my oh my, jealous, of a green colo(u)r, etc. i have now found >> kippered >> herring in cans, and that's as close as i've gotten for a while. i >> didn't >> know ye could smoke that fast either. i've been drying tomatoes for >> days. >> g >> >> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007, George Bowering wrote: >> >> > Last month in Newfoundland I had some smoked mackerel >> > that my host's teen daughter caught the day before. >> > >> > Yum and yum. >> > >> > I had always thought that fish was smoked for days and days. >> > >> > gb >> > >> > >> > On Sep 23, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Gabrielle Welford wrote: >> > >> > > kippers, mmmmm! pickled herring, mmmm! and what about mackerel, >> then, >> > > hey? only place i can find mackerel here is japanese groceries. >> okay >> > > in >> > > hawaii--saba. is mackerel endangered too? gabrielle >> > > >> > > On Sun, 23 Sep 2007, Rachel Loden wrote: >> > > >> > >> Forwarding this from David Bromige [dcmb@sonic.net]: >> > >> >> > >> I feel obliged to participate in this herring that you are holding. >> > >> As a >> > >> boy in England, I often ate herring. I believe it must have >> been one >> > >> of the >> > >> cheaper foodstuffs in those days. I ate it for breakfast with >> > >> potatoes left >> > >> over from the night before. But nonethe-less, I grew up thin as a >> > >> rake. I >> > >> believe herring are now an endangered species and I no longer eat >> > >> them. My >> > >> diet still consists mainly of potatoes, somewhat to the >> consternation >> > >> of my >> > >> wife who grew up on pasta. What does George Bowering eat? David >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Maria Damon wrote: >> > >> >> > >> Could someone let Bromering know we need his input on herring >> > >> pronto???! >> > >> >> > >> Rachel Loden wrote: >> > >> >> > >> My grandfather was a herring broker. Unfortunately, I can't stand >> > >> herring. >> > >> >> > >> I wonder what David Bromige thinks of herring. >> > >> >> > >> Maria wrote: >> > >> >> > >>>> yeah, lemme at 'em! >> > >>>> >> > >>>> George Bowering wrote: >> > >>>> >> > >>>>> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Maria Damon wrote: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>>> herring! yummy! >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>> Agh, you remind me of the Norwegian B&B breakfast table! >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > "Whip" Bowering >> > Shortstop to the Gods >> > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:32:25 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Maria Damon Subject: Come One Come All!! EXCITING POETRY EVENT Comments: To: ENGLFAC@LISTS.UMN.EDU, engrad-l@umn.edu, wallr007@umn.edu, jestep@umn.edu, werry001@umn.edu, skuftinec@aol.com, belgu003@umn.edu, englmaj@lists.umn.edu, prell001@umn.edu, fergu033@umn.edu, gfcivil@stkate.edu, manowak@stkate.edu, ping@macalester.edu, Tom_ Lewis , Thom Swiss , tageldin@umn.edu, Valerie Deus , Adam Bahner , "Alex J. Lubet" , Alexander Truskinovsky , Amy Kaminsky , athm0014@umn.edu, Barbara Weissberger , beato@att.net, Beverly Atkinson , boch0012 , Carla-Elaine Johnson , Carol Roos , Charlotte Melin , Chris Fischbach , Christine Marran , Christopher James , Colleen Hennen , Colleen Sheehy , Courtney Helgoe , David Bernstein , davu seru , duel0008@umn.edu, Elaine May , Emily Paulson , Eric D Weitz , Eric Lorberer , flyn0099@umn.edu, Greg Hewett , Gregg Rutter , grif0167@umn.edu, Hanna D Zipes , james owens , Jane Blocker , Jeanne Kilde , Joanna Oconnell , Jon Spayde , Judith Katz , "Kale B. Fajardo" , Kathleen Glasgow , kordela@macalester.edu, Kukiwailer@aol.com, Laura Purcell Gates , Laura Winton , Leslie Morris , Lynn Lukkas , margienewman@comcast.net, Maria Stracke , Michael Walsh , Mike Rollin , Mona Fattah , mongrelize@aol.com, ogor0014@umn.edu, orma0019@umn.edu, Ole Gram , Rebecca Jurisz , replo006@umn.edu, Sarah Fox , sawhney@umn.edu, Sean Hutchison , Sumanth S Gopinath , zerdy001@umn.edu, Theory and Writing , spidertangle@yahoogroups.com, ebarnes@umn.edu, coll0338@umn.edu, egbailey@mnspokenword.org, carolyn@saseonline.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY PRE-LOGICAL POETIC HIJINX!!! AN EVENING OF PERFORMANCE POETRY AND COMMUNITY!! LEGENDARY CANADIAN POET STEVE MCCAFFERY AND LEGENDARY NUYORICAN POET EDWIN TORRES PERFORMING AND RIFFING ON POETICS, COMMUNITY, AND PROCESS THURSDAY OCTOBER 4, 7:00 PM NOLTE HALL 125 (NOLTE LIBRARY) 315 PILLSBURY DRIVE SE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA-TWIN CITIES MINNEAPOLIS MN 55455 REFRESHMENTS WILL BE SERVED THIS IS THE DEBUT EVENT OF THE POETIX COLLABORATIVE SPONSORED BY THE INSTITUTE FOR ADVANCED STUDY UMN IT WILL BE LOTS OF FUN!!! ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:19:48 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jennifer Karmin Subject: October 7th: John Cage's MUSICIRCUS MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit JOHN CAGE'S MUSICIRCUS: You won't hear a thing; You'll hear everything FREE Sunday, October 7th Chicago Cultural Center, 78 E. Washington http://www.musicircus.chicagocomposers.org LECTURE, 11am Art Is Life: An Introduction to John Cage & His Musicircus Cultural Center’s Claudia Cassidy Theatre 2nd floor MUSICIRCUS, 12-4pm CHICAGO COMPOSERS FORUM presents "art as life" with hundreds of Chicago musicians, artists, and performers in a single four-hour collaborative performance. The underlying idea of Musicircus reflects Cage's social philosophy of autonomy and responsibility in which each performer or "act" individually contributes to a greater whole. John Cage first brought the idea of the Musicircus to fruition in 1967 at the University of Illinois in Champaign-Urbana where its first performance included jazz bands, pianists, dancers, mimes, vocalists, films, slides, black lights, balloons, cider and popcorn. Musicircus merges diverse art forms into a single, largescale event that celebrates all of these forms at once. OVER 125 MUSICIRCUS acts this year, including: Lester Jenkins Jr, GreenSugar, Irina Feoktistova, Jennifer Karmin, Free Improvisation Ensemble, Aleksander Garibashvili, The Chicago Cobra Ensemble, Saalik Ziyad, Asimina Chremos, Johnny Tokyo, Eric Leonardson, The Unknowns, Tony Chen, Plasticene, Michelle Tupko, A D Jameson, Sid Yiddish, Nana Shinelfug, Chicago Youth Symphony Orchestra, Marita Bolles, Janet Schmid, Preston Klik's Synphoric OM Choir, Rodney Jones, Marvin Tate, Chicago Bass Ensemble, Mahjabeen Karim, Erin Carlisle Norton, Bill MacKay, Jessica Hudson, Blank Line Collective, Wannapa P-Eubanks, Beatriz Albuquerque, Guillermo Gregorio, End of the World Band, Lois Veenhoven Guderian, Chris Powers, Kaiju Daiko, Northern Illinois University Percussion Group, Thomas Tabora, Sonic Inertia Performance Group, and many many many more. The Chicago Composers Forum is a non-profit organization whose mission it is to serve audiences, performers and composers in the creation and shared experience of new music. http://www.chicagocomposers.org This 2007 production of John Cage’s Musicircus is part of Chicago Artists Month, the twelfth annual celebration of Chicago’s vibrant visual art community. http://www.chicagoartistsmonth.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:39:41 -0400 Reply-To: az421@freenet.carleton.ca Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Rob McLennan Subject: 12 or 20 questions, updated list Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT (updated list) "12 or 20 questions" is a series of interviews with Canadian and American poets and fiction writers through a series of core questions (with slight variation between authors) conducted by rob mclennan, and started to coincide with his tenure as writer-in-residence at the University of Alberta in Edmonton from the beginning of September, 2007 to the end of May, 2008. list & links to individual interviews here: http://www.robmclennansindex.blogspot.com/ KI Press, Winnipeg MB Michael Dennis, Ottawa ON Nadine McInnis, Ottawa ON Tsering Wangmo Dhompa, San Francisco CA Colin Morton, Ottawa ON Christine Stewart, Vancouver BC/Edmonton AB Pattie McCarthy, Philadelphia PA Marita Dachsel, Edmonton AB Monica Kidd, St. John's NFLD Andy Weaver, Toronto ON Jacob Wren, Montreal QC/Toronto ON Paige Ackerson-Kiely, Vermont Diane Tucker, Burnaby BC Gil McElroy, Colborne ON Sheri-D Wilson, Calgary AB Kristjana Gunnars, Sechelt BC Stan Rogal, Toronto ON Stephen Collis, Vancouver BC Erin Moure, Montreal QC Catherine Kidd, Montreal QC Souvankham Thammavongsa, Toronto ON Phil Hall, Toronto ON Elizabeth Hay, Ottawa ON Sheila E. Murphy, Phoenix AZ Andy Brown, Montreal QC Jessica Westhead, Toronto ON Ken Norris, Orono ME Douglas Barbour, Edmonton AB Joshua Marie Wilkinson, Chicago Il Ian Roy, Ottawa ON Rob Winger, Ottawa ON Lance Blomgren, Vancouver BC Kimmy Beach, Red Deer AB John-James Ford, Ottawa ON/Colombo Sri Lanka George Bowering, Vanouver BC Nathaniel G. Moore, Toronto ON Stephen Brockwell, Ottawa ON Noah Eli Gordon, Denver CO Thomas Wharton, Edmonton AB Catherine Owen, Edmonton AB -- poet/editor/publisher ...STANZAS mag, above/ground press & Chaudiere Books (www.chaudierebooks.com) ...coord.,SPAN-O + ottawa small press fair ...13th poetry coll'n - The Ottawa City Project .... 2007-8 writer in residence, U of Alberta * http://robmclennan.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:52:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: which pop songs most set feminism back? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit YES!! "He hit me (and it felt like a kiss)." Perfect one for the list! Thanks! I think the Motels covered it too...I can hear martha's voice doing it in my head unless i'm hallucinating again...Chris Stroffolino said "Material Girl"....how could I have missed that one...doesn't get any more unhealthy vis-a-vis role models than a girl slinking from guy to guy in a video sliding her hands in and checking the pockets of a long array of sartorially splendid well-heeled gentlemen and going with the thickest wallet...of course the comeback would be "This is parody!" or "Madonna 'made it' in precisely the opposite manner...instead of trusting to the corporate male elite who wanted to handle and shape her, she took over very early on and became the head of her own music/publishing/etc empire"...but the rejoinder to that would be, does a six or seven year old understand irony at that level....they just see "when mommy needs money she should just reach in daddy's pockets....or some other guy who looks like he has it" lol...well gotta give her props because lyrically she bring the song around in a circle "experience has made me rich and now they're after me" where the whole cycle repeats with the young gigolos going after the old dowager pop star....wonder if it will happen? check back in twenty years or so.... ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:57:23 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Sheena Easton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sheena Easton is almost a paradigm of the eighties pop courtesan with songs like "Morning Train," "For Your Eyes Only" and who can forget the lyrically oh-so-subtle "Sugar Walls," I believe penned by Prince. But lest you confuse her with a singing pleasure model replicant, she got all "tough" on "Strut"...."come on baby what you TAKING ME FOR?" Pop is too funny. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:14:38 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: addie tsai Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <8C9D0077EBE8F18-1638-9ACA@FWM-M44.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Are you looking for songs sung by just women, or men also? On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the clock > back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an anthem for > those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest thus....of > course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your Man," > although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a man..." as a > very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever will be > blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:07:16 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "Susan R. Williamson" Subject: Re: Boston In-Reply-To: <34bace050709281148w43914cb0wb8868972b5343437@mail.gmail.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:48 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I just moved back to Boston this month from San Francisco, where I did my >MFA, and I was wondering if anyone on this wonderful listserv of ours knew >any interesting reading series, any good places to finds lists of lectures >and readings, and good small presses, any workshops or salons, etc. in the >city. I lived in Boston years and years ago when I was in college, but I >wasn't the invested poet that I am now. I've heard of Grub Street, but >that's about it. Hi Patrick, I'm not from Boston, but a good place to start is: http://www.poets.org/state.php/varState/MA Academy of American Poets, by state and by city ... best, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:23:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: amy king Subject: HOW TO BE PERFECT In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ron Padgett - HOW TO BE PERFECT http://coffeehousepress.org/howtobeperfect.asp Interview with Padgett for HOW TO BE PERFECT http://amyking.org/blog/?p=282 --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:26:34 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: "W.B. Keckler" Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Either gender. Or Hedwig. Anyone can be offensive lol. I thought it was really interesting when Tori Amos did that album a few years back where she interpreted only songs written by men, many of them written about women. She did some great ones...like Lloyd Cole and even covered a Metallic song I believe. I forget the name of the c.d. but can easily visualize her long string of personae in the fold out sleeve, makeup by the nonpareil (late) Kevin Aucoyn (sp?). ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:29:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mairead Byrne Subject: Re: Boston Comments: To: srwilliamson@EARTHLINK.NET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Dan Bouchard at MIT sends out a regular listing of readings in the Boston = area. If you have trouble contacting him, let me know & I'll send you his = address. Mairead Mair=C3=A9ad Byrne Associate Professor of English Rhode Island School of Design 2 College Street Providence, RI 02903 >>> "Susan R. Williamson" 09/29/07 2:07 PM = >>> At 02:48 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I just moved back to Boston this month from San Francisco, where I did my >MFA, and I was wondering if anyone on this wonderful listserv of ours = knew >any interesting reading series, any good places to finds lists of = lectures >and readings, and good small presses, any workshops or salons, etc. in = the >city. I lived in Boston years and years ago when I was in college, but I >wasn't the invested poet that I am now. I've heard of Grub Street, but >that's about it. Hi Patrick, I'm not from Boston, but a good place to start is: http://www.poets.org/state.php/varState/MA Academy of American Poets, by state and by city ... best, Susan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:41:31 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ruth Lepson Subject: Re: Boston In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070929140627.03521788@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit check out demolicious series (google it) & P.A.'s Lounge in Somerville & The Plough & The Stars bar/rest series. new series in south boston at The Distillery. On 9/29/07 2:07 PM, "Susan R. Williamson" wrote: > At 02:48 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I just moved back to Boston this month from San Francisco, where I did my >> MFA, and I was wondering if anyone on this wonderful listserv of ours knew >> any interesting reading series, any good places to finds lists of lectures >> and readings, and good small presses, any workshops or salons, etc. in the >> city. I lived in Boston years and years ago when I was in college, but I >> wasn't the invested poet that I am now. I've heard of Grub Street, but >> that's about it. > Hi Patrick, > I'm not from Boston, but a good place to start is: > http://www.poets.org/state.php/varState/MA > Academy of American Poets, by state and by city ... > best, > Susan ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:28:42 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Israel & US attack plans for Syria & Iran/Air Force refused to fly nukes to Mid East In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Israel bought the land. Their policy in the mid-east is largely bullshit, brutal. But I suspect the religiosity of Amid. I don't fear being nuked by a secular state. Israel has no choice but to look out for its self-interest. They couldn't nuke their neighbors without inflicting major damage to themselves. How many nukes do they have? Enough, I think, to destroy a continent and destroy themselves. Enough. I posted a Goddamn poem. David Chirot wrote: *Air Force refused to fly weapons (nukes) to Middle East theater* By Wayne Madsen Sept. 24, 2007 Author's website WMR has learned from U.S. and foreign intelligence sources that the B-52 transporting six stealth AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missiles, each armed with a W-80-1 nuclear warhead, on August 30, were destined for the Middle East via Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. However, elements of the Air Force, supported by U.S. intelligence agency personnel, successfully revealed the ultimate destination of the nuclear weapons and the mission was aborted due to internal opposition within the Air Force and U.S. Intelligence Community. Yesterday, the /Washington Post/ attempted to explain away the fact that America's nuclear command and control system broke down in an unprecedented manner by reporting that it was the result of "security failures at multiple levels." It is now apparent that the command and control breakdown, reported as a BENT SPEAR incident to the Secretary of Defense and White House, was not the result of a command and control chain-of-command "failures" but the result of a revolt and push back by various echelons within the Air Force and intelligence agencies against a planned U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons. The /Washington Post/ story on BENT SPEAR may have actually been an effort in damage control by the Bush administration. WMR has been informed by a knowledgeable source that one of the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles was, and may still be, unaccounted for. In that case, the nuclear reporting incident would have gone far beyond BENT SPEAR to a National Command Authority alert known as EMPTY QUIVER, with the special classification of PINNACLE. Just as this report was being prepared, /Newsweek/ reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's recently-departed Middle East adviser, David Wurmser, told a small group of advisers some months ago that Cheney had considered asking Israel to launch a missile attack on the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz. Cheney reasoned that after an Iranian retaliatory strike, the United States would have ample reasons to launch its own massive attack on Iran. However, plans for Israel to attack Iran directly were altered to an Israeli attack on a supposed Syrian-Iranian-North Korean nuclear installation in northern Syria. WMR has learned that a U.S. attack on Iran using nuclear and conventional weapons was scheduled to coincide with Israel's September 6 air attack on a 'reputed Syrian nuclear facility' in Dayr az-Zwar, near the village of Tal Abyad, in northern Syria, near the Turkish border. Israel's attack, code named OPERATION ORCHARD, was to provide a reason for the U.S. to strike Iran. The neo-conservative propaganda onslaught was to cite the cooperation of the George Bush's three remaining "Axis of Evil" states -- Syria, Iran, and North Korea -- to justify a sustained Israeli attack on Syria and a massive U.S. military attack on Iran. WMR has learned from military sources on both sides of the Atlantic that there was a definite connection between Israel's OPERATION ORCHARD and BENT SPEAR involving the B-52 that flew the six nuclear-armed cruise missiles from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale. There is also a connection between these two events as the Pentagon's highly-classified PROJECT CHECKMATE, a compartmented U.S. Air Force program that has been working on an attack plan for Iran since June 2007, around the same time that Cheney was working on the joint Israeli-U.S. attack scenario on Iran. PROJECT CHECKMATE was leaked in an article by military analyst Eric Margolis in the Rupert Murdoch-owned newspaper, the /Times of London/, is a program that involves over two dozen Air Force officers and is headed by Brig. Gen. Lawrence Stutzriem and his chief civilian adviser, Dr. Lani Kass, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who, astoundingly, is *now involved in planning a joint U.S.-Israeli massive military attack on Iran* that involves a "decapitating" blow on Iran by hitting between three to four thousand targets in the country. Stutzriem and Kass report directly to the Air Force Chief of Staff, General Michael Moseley, who has also been charged with preparing a report on the B-52/nuclear weapons incident. Kass' area of speciality is cyber-warfare, which includes ensuring "information blockades," such as that imposed by the Israeli government on the Israeli media regarding the Syrian air attack on the alleged Syrian "nuclear installation." British intelligence sources have reported that the Israeli attack on Syria was a "true flag" attack originally designed to foreshadow a U.S. attack on Iran. After the U.S. Air Force push back against transporting the six cruise nuclear-armed AGM-129s to the Middle East, Israel went ahead with its attack on Syria anyhow in order to help ratchet up tensions between Washington on one side and Damascus, Tehran, and Pyongyang on the other. The other part of CHECKMATE's brief is to ensure that a media "perception management" is waged against Syria, Iran, and North Korea. This involves articles such as that which appeared with Joby Warrick's and Walter Pincus' bylines in yesterdays /Washington Post/. The article, titled "The Saga of a Bent Spear," quotes a number of seasoned Air Force nuclear weapons experts as saying that such an incident is unprecedented in the history of the Air Force. For example, Retired Air Force General Eugene Habiger, the former chief of the U.S. Strategic Command, said he has been in the "nuclear business" since 1966 and has never been aware of an incident "more disturbing." Command and control breakdowns involving U.S. nuclear weapons are unprecedented, except for that fact that the U.S. military is now waging an internal war against neo-cons who are embedded in the U.S. government and military chain of command who are intent on using nuclear weapons in a pre-emptive war with Iran. CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD would have provided the cover for a pre-emptive U.S. and Israeli attack on Iran had it not been for BENT SPEAR involving the B-52. In on the plan to launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran involving nuclear weapons were, according to our sources, *Cheney, National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley; members of the CHECKMATE team at the Pentagon, who have close connections to Israeli intelligence and pro-Israeli think tanks in Washington, including the Hudson Institute; British Foreign Secretary David Miliband, a political adviser to Tony Blair prior to becoming a Member of Parliament; Israeli political leaders like Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and Likud leader Binyamin Netanyahu; and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, who did his part last week to ratchet up tensions with Iran by suggesting that war with Iran was a probability. * *Kouchner retracted his statement after the U.S. plans for Iran were delayed.* Although the Air Force tried to keep the B-52 nuclear incident from the media, anonymous Air Force personnel leaked the story to /Military Times/ on September 5, the day before the Israelis attacked the alleged nuclear installation in Syria and the day planned for the simultaneous U.S. attack on Iran. The leaking of classified information on U.S. nuclear weapons disposition or movement to the media, is, itself, unprecedented. Air Force regulations require the sending of classified BEELINE reports to higher Air Force authorities on the disclosure of classified Air Force information to the media. In another highly unusual move, Defense Secretary Robert Gates has asked an outside inquiry board to look into BENT SPEAR, even before the Air Force has completed its own investigation, a virtual vote of no confidence in the official investigation being conducted by Major General Douglas Raaberg, chief of air and space operations at the Air Combat Command. Gates asked former Air Force Chief of Staff, retired General Larry Welch, to lead a Defense Science Board task force that will also look into the BENT SPEAR incident. The official Air Force investigation has reportedly been delayed for unknown reasons. Welch is President and CEO of the Institute for Defense Analysis (IDA), a federally-funded research contractor that operates three research centers, including one for Office of Science and Technology Policy in the Executive Office of the President and another for the National Security Agency. One of the board members of IDA is Dr. Suzanne H. Woolsey of the Paladin Capital Group and wife of former CIA director and arch-neocon James Woolsey. WMR has learned that neither the upper echelons of the State Department nor the British Foreign Office were privy to OPERATION ORCHARD, although Hadley briefed President Bush on Israeli spy satellite intelligence that showed the Syrian installation was a joint nuclear facility built with North Korean and Iranian assistance. However, it is puzzling why Hadley would rely on Israeli imagery intelligence (IMINT) from its OFEK (Horizon) 7 satellite when considering that U.S. IMINT satellites have greater capabilities. The Air Force's "information warfare" campaign against media reports on CHECKMATE and OPERATION ORCHARD also affected international reporting of the recent International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) resolution asking Israel to place its nuclear weapons program under IAEA controls, similar to those that the United States wants imposed on Iran and North Korea. The resolution also called for a nuclear-free zone throughout the Middle East. The IAEA's resolution, titled "Application of IAEA Safeguards in the Middle East," was passed by the 144-member IAEA General Meeting on September 20 by a vote of 53 to 2, with 47 abstentions. *The only two countries to vote against were Israel and the United States. *However, the story carried from the IAEA meeting in Vienna by Reuters, the Associated Press, and Agence France Press, was that it was Arab and Islamic nations that voted for the resolution. This was yet more perception management carried out by CHECKMATE, the White House, and their allies in Europe and Israel with the connivance of the media. In fact, among the 53 nations that voted for the resolution were China, Russia, India, Ireland, and Japan. The 47 abstentions were described as votes "against" the resolution even though an abstention is neither a vote for nor against a measure. America's close allies, including Britain, France, Australia, Canada, and Georgia, all abstained. Suspiciously, the IAEA carried only a brief item on the resolution concerning Israel's nuclear program and a roll call vote was not available either at the IAEA's web site -- www.iaea.org -- or in the media. The perception management campaign by the neocon operational cells in the Bush administration, Israel and Europe was designed to keep a focus on Iran's nuclear program, not on Israel's. Any international examination of Israel's nuclear weapons program would likely bring up Israeli nuclear scientist Mordechai Vanunu, a covert from Judaism to Christianity, who was kidnapped in Rome by a Mossad "honey trap" named Cheryl Bentov (aka, Cindy) and a Mossad team in 1986 and held against his will in Israel ever since. Vanunu's knowledge of the Israeli nuclear weapons program would focus on the country's own role in nuclear proliferation,* including its program to share nuclear weapons technology with apartheid South Africa and Taiwan in the late 1970s and 1980s. *The role of Ronald Reagan's Director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency Ken Adelman in Israeli's nuclear proliferation during the time frame 1983-1987 would also come under scrutiny. Adelman, a member of the Reagan-Bush transition State Department team from November 1980 to January 1981, voiced his understanding for the nuclear weapons programs of Israel, South Africa, and Taiwan in a June 28, 1981 /New York Times/ article titled, "3 Nations Widening Nuclear Contacts." The journalist who wrote the article was Judith Miller. Adelman felt that the three countries wanted nuclear weapons because of their ostracism from the West, the third world, and the hostility from the Communist countries. Of course, today, the same argument can be used by Iran, North Korea, and other "Axis of Evil" nations so designated by the neocons in the Bush administration and other governments. There are also news reports that suggest an intelligence relationship between Israel and North Korea. On July 21, 2004, New Zealand's /Dominion Post/ reported that three Mossad agents were involved in espionage in New Zealand. Two of the Mossad agents, Uriel Kelman and Elisha Cara (aka Kra), were arrested and imprisoned by New Zealand police (an Israeli diplomat in Canberra, Amir Lati, was expelled by Australia and New Zealand intelligence identified a fourth Mossad agent involved in the New Zealand espionage operation in Singapore). The third Mossad agent in New Zealand, Zev William Barkan (aka Lev Bruckenstein), fled New Zealand -- for North Korea. New Zealand Foreign Minister Phil Goff revealed that Barkan, a former Israeli Navy diver, had previously worked at the Israeli embassy in Vienna, which is also the headquarters of the IAEA. He was cited by the /Sydney Morning Herald/ as trafficking in passports stolen from foreign tourists in Thailand, Myanmar, Laos, and Cambodia. New Zealand's One News reported that Barkan was in North Korea to help the nation build a wall to keep its citizens from leaving. *The nuclear brinkmanship involving the United States and Israel and the breakdown in America's command and control systems have every major capital around the world wondering about the Bush administration's true intentions. * NOTE: WMR understands the risks to informed individuals in reporting the events of August 29/30, to the present time, that concern the discord within the U.S. Air Force, U.S. intelligence agencies, and other military services. Any source with relevant information and who wishes to contact us anonymously may drop off sealed correspondence at or send mail via the Postal Service to: Wayne Madsen, c/o The Front Desk, National Press Club, 13th Floor, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC, 20045. http://earthboppin.net/talkshop/national/messages/59386.html ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com __._,_.___ Messages in this topic ( 1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages| Files| Photos| Links| Database| Polls| Members| Calendar To subscribe to the group, send an email to: WIB-LA-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Please restrict your messages to subject matter related to the Middle East. [image: Yahoo! Groups] Change settings via the Web(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest| Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___ --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? 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Search. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:07:46 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: If I Were a Different Species MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Answer the Goddamn Phone You smile like two ducks necking under a Roman fountain quacking You drive like a hippopptamus brushing its teeth in the Tigres at dawn Your blond hair waves to me like a saxaphone rolling dice in a pawn shop window Dialing 411 while you pick your nose The way your name rhymes with wind chimes The way you cough & fart Stars blush with the urgency of a man handing you roses A dolphin calls long distance but you’re not home A kiss as deeply sentimental as a parachute doesn’t open again You stole third base but save a piece for me The phone is ringing Let it ring --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:55:33 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't think there is any one song that sets feminism back. Today's Koan: If feminism can be set back by a single pop song, is feminism worth having? -Ryan On 9/28/07, Tracey Gagne wrote: > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have crossed my > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I want to > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this morning. Some > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, which is > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or something like > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to consider: > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their husbands.... > Yuck! > > Cheers, > Tracey > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > > > Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > > offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the clock > > back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > > Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an anthem for > > those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest thus....of > > course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your Man," > > although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a man..." as a > > very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > > Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever will be > > blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > > joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > > http://mail.aol.com > > > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:09:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Stroffolino Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracey---thanks for bringing that up. I definitely see your point, and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this issue, but I would like to propose another interpretation to that message. If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in general are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly debatable, but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible that American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a divisive gender issue, but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head in the 55-75 era. Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find rings true) that makes that claim. It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when feminism (as well as integration, etc) seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be read in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. Curious what you and others think Chris On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have > crossed my > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I > want to > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > morning. Some > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, > which is > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > something like > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > consider: > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > husbands.... > Yuck! > > Cheers, > Tracey > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: >> >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the >> clock >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an >> anthem for >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest >> thus....of >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your >> Man," >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a >> man..." as a >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever >> will be >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >> Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:00:17 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Chris Westcott Subject: Richard K. Tipping, Wednesday at Columbia U Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Richard K. Tipping Wed. Oct 3, 2007, 8:15 pm in Hamilton Hall, rm 702 See campus map for directions from the gate: http://www.columbia.edu/ about_columbia/map/hamilton.html Not to be confused with Richard H. Tipping, Penn State professor of theoretical molecular physics, Richard K. Tipping is a sign-maker. His signs can be found in Adelaide, Australia where he was born as well as in the book Signs of Australia (Penguin, 1982). In Adelaide, a sign directing drivers to the Airport turns into a sign directing drivers to the Airpoet. He also creates poetry sculptures with an almost Op art tension: meaning changes as the observer finds new ways of seeing the words presented. He studied at Flinders University and received his MA at the University of Technology, Sydney. In 1969, he founded the magazine Mok. He has published three books of poetry (Soft Riots, Domestic Hardcore, Nearer by Far) with the University of Queensland Press and has appeared in many anthologies. He lives in Newcastle, South Wales where he works at the School of Design, Communication and Technology at the University of Newcastle. Presented by the Columbia Department of English and Comparative Literature and Professor Michael Golston. See the Columbia New Poetry Wed site for more details: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/newpoetry/ ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:03:21 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Alexander Jorgensen Subject: Burma - Vaclav Havel - "Saffron Revolution" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Excerpts from article originally written in German - and quickly translated in English from Czech: "The current crisis in Burma has been prepared for years, yet a number of countries seem to be suprised by the recent events which have taken place there and have no clue with regards to what to do. How many times has something like this happened in various parts of the world? We hear emotional proclamations about human rights at various international conferences on almost daily basis. How come then that the international community is unable to react efficiently to prevent the Burmese army leaders to increase violence against Buddhist temples?" "For a number of years the international community has been debating how to reform the UN in order to protect human dignity in conflicts such as the one in Burma or Darfur. It is not the victims of the oppression who lose their dignity, rather it is the international community, whose inability to take action leaves it watch the victims of the conflict being left to their fate." "The dictators of this world know very well how to interpret the lack of commitment of the international community and its inability to coordinate its actions. The message this sends to them is that of a confirmation of their status quo and an approval to continue what they have been doing." "Without broad and coordinated international support in political, economic and media sphere, the courageous monks in Burma and the development there can be thrown 20 years back." http://zpravy.idnes.cz/havel-ucene-mluvime-ale-barmu-jsme-v-tom-nechali-fry-/zahranicni.asp?c=A070928_104531_zahranicni_mhk -- Tennessee Williams: "A vacuum is a hell of a lot better than some of the stuff that nature replaces it with." ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:28:29 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Jim Andrews Subject: our play was invented by nature MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit play--our play--was invented by nature. to strengthen and train the body. to learn survival skills. to learn the social order. to learn or play by the rules of the game not always the hard way. cheating is an advanced form of play. a sense of justice is yet more advanced. it does not arise simply from play, in the way cheating does, but from awareness of the larger contexts of the play, the drama, and a multi-perspectival approach to fairness, or fair play. many animals play, for the above sorts of reasons. play works. play is reinforced. play survives. ja http://vispo.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:31:29 EDT Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Tom Beckett Subject: New Books from Otoliths--Raven, Gildzen, Topel & Leftwich, Fieled,Stempleman! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 This quarter's round of books from Otoliths have just been realeased.=20 Shifting the Question More Complicated =20 Francis Raven=20 76 pages=20 Cover design by Sheila E. Murphy=20 ISBN: 978-0-9803-6594-8=20 Otoliths 2007=20 $10.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1137853_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1137853) =20 Francis Raven's original poems =E2=80=93 with the occasional, collaborative= and=20 smartly alarmed interventions of Jeff Bacon =E2=80=93 take on a world made=20= hopelessly=20 abundant by too much. Too many commodities, too much philosophy, too much=20 poetry, too much music, too many reviews, too many misunderstood friendship= s,=20 erotic deceptions and, of course, corporate obstacles, including the langua= ge of=20 insufferable meetings: =20 Our wires got crossed. We must be sitting in multiple meetings.=20 How do you respond to someone's quest to make the perfect french fry? Where= =20 is truth, art, love, direction, and a sense of navigation? How can the=20 mind, psyche, and body find a trajectory when fenced in by any and all opti= ons=20 that present themselves as obligatory and legitimate representatives of the= =20 real? In the face of such a cascade from the other, how do you even write= a=20 poem, believe in, or trust its significance?=20 In playful, subtle and deceptively sharp language =E2=80=93 from consciousl= y flat to=20 purely and quite beautifully poetic =E2=80=93 Francis Raven has taken on th= ese days=20 of nausea to replant the flag, the stroke, and necessity of the poem: =20 Every painting has been landed on by critical flags, claimed:=20 Swimming, I find a mystery in a poem I thought was a problem, solved. =20 ---Stephen Vincent, author of Walking Theory =20 It's All A Movie =20 Alex Gildzen=20 92 pages=20 Cover design by Ray Craig=20 ISBN: 978-0-9803659-6-2=20 Otoliths 2007=20 $12.50 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1148196_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1148196) =20 Want to know Marilyn Monroe's measurements? Or the first movie Jonathan=20 Williams saw? Alex Gildzen provides answers in this unique book about film.= His=20 long love affair with cinema is reflected in a collection which brings=20 together some of Gildzen's recent poems, photographs of him with Hollywood=20= legends=20 such as Sylvia Sidney and Samuel Fuller, prose dating back to 1985 and a ye= ar=20 from his important autobiography in progress Alex in Movieland.=20 SHADOWED TRUTH=20 Andrew Topel & Jim Leftwich=20 76 pages, full color=20 ISBN: 978-0-9803-6598-6=20 Otoliths 2007=20 $20.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1148212_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1148212) =20 "i remember very clearly working on these sheets, using boxes of trash and=20 junk mail, writing in the names of songs i was listening to, riffing off of= =20 what was in front of and around me. five very busy years later these images= =20 have a very strong resonance for me. 'veil reveal re-veil', as andrew puts=20= it,=20 seems to express the dynamic quite clearly. at some point i think we would=20 like for the process to halt at 'reveal' - but that isn't likely to occur o= ften=20 if ever, and certainly not with collaborative work like this. maybe we're=20 looking at something more than 'shadowed truth', something like 'shadowed b= eing'=20 - perhaps hidden in plain view, but hidden all the same." =E2=80=94 Jim Lef= twich=20 Opera Bufa=20 Adam Fieled=20 64 pages=20 Cover design by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart =20 ISBN: 978-0-9803-6595-5=20 Otoliths 2007=20 $10.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1137210_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1137210) =20 How can a prose poem be a comic opera? Take the following ingredients and =20 stir: Chopin, Maria Callas, Baudelaire, Pluto, Orpheus, the Court of Ferdina= nd, =20 Amherst wafer-eaters, Dante, Cleopatra, and Valium. Mix in a dollop of =20 desperation, two dollops of perversity, and a small drop showmanship, and sh= ake =20 violently, as though in the midst of a fit. You have entered into a new real= m; a=20 foreign habitat; a fresh and unholy Opera Bufa. You may remain as long as=20 you like. You may even sing along. The author, Adam Fieled, suggests exitin= g =20 at the first sign of nausea, unless you find nausea pleasing. Oddly enough,=20 some do.=20 Facings =20 Jordan Stempleman=20 64 pages=20 Cover design by David-Baptiste Chirot=20 ISBN: 978-0-9803-6597-9=20 Otoliths 2007=20 $10.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1142300_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1142300) =20 Jordan Stempleman writes of his new collection, Facings: "These are poems= =20 that begin from the almost observed, places not yet finished, excuses=20 untested, and individuals who only appear after they find comfort in retrac= ting all=20 they've been said to say." =20 In addition, the print editions of Otoliths issue six are out, with a=20 spectacular piece of Geof Huth vispo on their covers. =20 Part One=20 90 pages=20 $10.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1234272_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1234272) =20 Part one of Otoliths issue six contains prose, poetry & visual poetry from=20 Tom Beckett, Karri Kokko, dan raphael, Kristine Ong Muslim, David-Baptiste=20 Chirot, Paul Siegell, Javant Biarujia, Arpine Konyalian Grenier, Matthew Me= dina,=20 Adam Fieled, Bill Drennan, Jane Joritz-Nakagawa, Joel Chace, Brian Foley,=20 Raymond Farr, Philip Byron Oakes, Rochelle Ratner, Julian Jason Haladyn, Al= ex=20 Carnevale, Jeff Harrison, Juliet Cook, Alexander Jorgensen, Martin Edmond,=20= J.=20 D. Nelson, John M. Bennett, Mark DeCarteret, Michael Steven, Jordan=20 Stempleman, Iain Britton, Andrew Topel & Ernesto Priego. =20 Part Two=20 56 pages, full color=20 $15.00 + p&h=20 URL: _http://www.lulu.com/content/1234245_=20 (http://www.lulu.com/content/1234245) =20 Part two of Otoliths issue six contains visual & text poetry from Reed=20 Altemus, Joe Balaz, David-Baptiste Chirot, Spencer Selby, John M. Bennett &= =20 Jukka-Pekka Kervinen, M=C3=A1rton Kopp=C3=A1ny, Luke Daly, ek rzepka, Ray C= raig, Mary Ellen=20 Derwis, John M. Bennett & Sheila E. Murphy. =20 These & the back catalogue =E2=80=94 Jean Vengua, Ray Craig, Sandra Simonds= , Eileen=20 Tabios, Mark Young, Vernon Frazer, harry k stammer, Nico Vassilakis, Rochel= le=20 Ratner, Sheila E. Murphy & Nick Piombino, plus the first volume of=20 interviews (soon to be joined by the second) from Tom Beckett's wonderful=20 E-X-C-H-A-N-G-E-V-A-L-U-E-S site & the complete set of print editions of th= e e-zine =E2=80=94 can=20 be found at _The Otoliths Storefront_ (http://stores.lulu.com/l_m_young) =20 (http://stores.lulu.com/l_m_young) ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:52:16 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: aaron tieger Subject: boston MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Patrick, I've just moved back here too. In addition to Ruth and Mairead's suggestions, you can keep abreast of what's going on in town here: http://bostonpoetry.blogspot.com As far as small presses, there's Katalanche Press (Cambridge), Pressed Wafer (Boston), Bootstrap Productions (Lowell), CARVE Poems (various sofas in Greater Boston), and at least several others. Welcome back. Aaron >>Hi everyone, I just moved back to Boston this month from San Francisco, where I did my MFA, and I was wondering if anyone on this wonderful listserv of ours knew any interesting reading series, any good places to finds lists of lectures and readings, and good small presses, any workshops or salons, etc. in the city. I lived in Boston years and years ago when I was in college, but I wasn't the invested poet that I am now. I've heard of Grub Street, but that's about it. Thanks! Patrick aarontieger.blogspot.com carvepoems.org soonproductions.org "Make a sudden, destructive unpredictable action; incorporate." 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Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:24:09 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Lewis LaCook Subject: New from The Stack - The Monolith and the Monster Ballad Comments: To: rhizome , webartery , netbehaviour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.lewislacook.org/thestack/the_monolith_and_the_monster_ballad.mp3 Lewis LaCook Director of Web Development Abstract Outlooks Media 440-989-6481 http://www.abstractoutlooks.com Abstract Outlooks Media - Premium Web Hosting, Development, and Art Photography http://www.lewislacook.org lewislacook.org - New Media Poetry and Poetics http://www.xanaxpop.org Xanax Pop - the Poetry of Lewis LaCook ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:04:52 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: POETRY: DAVID MELTZER & MICHAEL ROTHENBERG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please spread the word widely! POETRY AT THE HISTORIC Z MANSION: DAVID MELTZER & MICHAEL ROTHENBERG presented by CHAX PRESS, with help from POG MONDAY, OCTOBER 8, 7:00pm 288 N. Church Ave. in downtown Tucson $5 at the door, $3 for students (we don't turn anyone away) Contact: Chax Press: 520-620-1626 In the last several years, CHAX PRESS and/or POG=20 have established a Tucson ground-breaking series=20 of readings by such writers as Robert Creeley,=20 Robin Blaser, Joanne Kyger, Alice Notley,=20 Bernadette Mayer, and more, writers who were=20 sparkplugs in the poetic revolution of the 1950s=20 and 1960s that has changed the landscape of=20 American poetry from one of "tradition" to one of=20 "energy," from an East Coast-centered poetics of=20 Quietude to a global practice of visionary=20 poetry. Within that seachange, David Meltzer is a=20 must-see poet we are fortunate to bring to=20 Tucson. All the better that he is accompanied by=20 Michael Rothenberg, an outstanding poet who has=20 also edited the collected poems of several of=20 those writers who entered our poetic history from 1950 to 1965. My friends, this is one not to be missed. Also=20 look ahead to another poet who is a part of this=20 great American wave, David Gitin, together with=20 Frank Parker, presented by POG on October 27 at=20 7pm at Stone Ave. Gallery, 2007 N. Stone. Other upcoming Chax or POG and related events include Oct. 8, Cushing Street Poetry, 198 W. Cushing=20 St., 8pm: Jefferson Carter & John Spaulding Oct. 11, MOCA, 6pm, 174 E. Toole in downtown=20 Tucson, poetry/poetics lecture: "Away We Shall=20 Float: Where Poems Take Us." MOCA Lit is pleased=20 to host award-wining poet and founder of Chax=20 Press Charles Alexander as he shares the pleasure=20 of poetry as writer and reader. Alexander will=20 discuss his work vis a vis Hugo Ball and=20 bpNichol under the theme of poetry as the language of excess. Oct. 14, noon to 5pm, UA Poetry Center=20 Housewarming Festival. Reading with music & more,=20 at Poetry Center new location, 1508 E. Helen St.=20 Poets include Brenda Hillman, Charles Alexander,=20 Richard Shelton, Jane Miller, Robert Hass, Steve=20 Orlen, Alberto Rios, Alison Deming, & more. Chax Press & POG events are made possible in part=20 by contributions from the Tucson Pima Arts=20 Council and the Arizona Commission on the Arts,=20 with funding from the State of Arizona and the National Endowment for the= Arts. ABOUT THE READERS ON OCTOBER 8, 7pm, at Z MANSION, 200 N. Church In 1960, David Meltzer's poems appeared in the ground-breaking anthology, The New American Poetry. He has gone on to create a substantial body of work that is pervaded with "a kind of bop-perfection." Having arrived in San Francisco in 1957, he is associated both with the Beats and the San Francisco Renaissance, often reading with jazz musicians at bars and coffeehouses. His recent book, Beat Thing (La Alameda Press), winner of the PEN Oakland Josephine Miles award, is both tribute to down-in-the-street wildness and rant against the romantic commodification which surrounds the Beat Generation. Meltzer brings forth the original spirit of Beat in an encyclopedic cascade of details whose dense, deep, fierce, funny, raucous, free-associative jazz energy infuses every line. Beat Thing is an ecstatic chant of defiance and celebration. Meltzer's Copy: The Selected Poems, edited by Michael Rothenberg, has now come out with nearly 50 years of Meltzer's poetry and provides ample evidence of his stylistic breadth as well as the music and humor active in it. Michael Rothenberg's work as an editor is well known, not only for David's Copy, but also As Ever: Selected Poems of Joanne Kyger; Overtime: Selected Poems of Philip Whalen; Way More West: Selected Poems of Edward Dorn and the Collected Poems of Philip Whalen. He is also editor of Big Bridge, www.bigbridge.org , a prominent online literary zine. Rothenberg is the author of The Paris Journals; Monk Daddy; Grown Up Cuba; and recently Unhurried Vision from La Alameda Press, which charts the year Rothenberg spent caring for the terminally ill Philip Whalen. In 1976 he moved to California and co-founded Shelldance, a bromeliad and orchid nursery in Pacifica. An active environmentalist, Rothenberg has been a leading force in the protection of Bay Area coastal lands and endangered species. from THE ART / THE VEIL, by David Meltzer Light on ancient text. Flicker of word Moving into word. They ask me what I do. Enough. [] Abruptly Europe dies. Bloody tallis I wave To cars to eyes. Dies. The silk blazing. [] Noisily yank a failed poem out of the typewriter roller. My hair falls into the keys. Not grey but silver whose light reminds me of work to be done. [] It isn't fame or failure just so many books to read so many words to write and the backyard garden is Paradise. I could spend all day naming things and all night breaking promises [] Dawn loon silhouette skims over the lagoon its crazed song unable to tame my rage into a haiku. [] The deception of a new typewriter ribbon gets him going another few years. by David Meltzer, copyright =A9 1981. All rights reserved. SIMPLIFY INFINITY, by Michael Rothenberg Rain slaughters the balcony I'm invisible Flowers blown off red skeletons I'm describing my death My mother tells me come inside But there's nothing inside worth imagining It's all outside Starlings in confusion Where the body is purified by danger July 14, 2001 by Michael Rothenberg from Monk Daddy, Blue Press. All rights reserved. charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 650 E. 9th St. Tucson, AZ 85705 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:52:55 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: steve russell Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit She put a spell on me. According to the data, I'm the most miserable man in America. Chris Stroffolino wrote: Tracey---thanks for bringing that up. I definitely see your point, and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this issue, but I would like to propose another interpretation to that message. If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in general are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly debatable, but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible that American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a divisive gender issue, but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head in the 55-75 era. Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find rings true) that makes that claim. It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when feminism (as well as integration, etc) seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be read in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. Curious what you and others think Chris On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have > crossed my > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I > want to > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > morning. Some > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, > which is > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > something like > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > consider: > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > husbands.... > Yuck! > > Cheers, > Tracey > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: >> >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the >> clock >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an >> anthem for >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest >> thus....of >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your >> Man," >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a >> man..." as a >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever >> will be >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> ___ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL >> Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:17:39 -1000 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Susan Webster Schultz Subject: new sidewalk (anti-war) blog signs Comments: To: British & Irish poets MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Put up on the windward side of O`ahu in Hawai`i. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=12284&l=bfaa6&id=654553661 aloha, S ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:45:18 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Mark Weiss Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <858836.28127.qm@web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed My Heart Belongs to Daddy. The Leader of the Pack. How Much Is that Doggie in the Window. Though it's probably a good idea to remember that feminism is an ism, female is a gender. But oh well. "Soldier Soldier Will You Marry Me" and the hundreds of songs with the same punchline. Lord Randall. Barbry Allen. At 11:52 AM 9/30/2007, you wrote: >She put a spell on me. According to the data, I'm the most miserable >man in America. > >Chris Stroffolino wrote: Tracey---thanks >for bringing that up. I definitely see your point, >and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this issue, >but I would like to propose another interpretation to that message. >If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in general >are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly >debatable, >but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible that >American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, >and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a divisive >gender issue, >but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that >occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) >have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head in >the 55-75 era. >Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find rings >true) that makes that claim. >It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when >feminism (as well as integration, etc) >seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. >All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be read >in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. >Curious what you and others think > >Chris > >On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > > > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have > > crossed my > > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I > > want to > > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > > morning. Some > > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, > > which is > > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > > something like > > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > > consider: > > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > > husbands.... > > Yuck! > > > > Cheers, > > Tracey > > > > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > >> > >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the > >> clock > >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an > >> anthem for > >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest > >> thus....of > >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your > >> Man," > >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a > >> man..." as a > >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever > >> will be > >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ > >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > >> Mail! - > >> http://mail.aol.com > >> > > > >--------------------------------- >Building a website is a piece of cake. >Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:18:15 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Stephen Vincent Subject: New de blog/ Africa/Harvard MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ Some initial notes and photographs in response to the "Christopher Okigbo International Conference" Harvard and UMass Boston, September 19 - 23, 2007. Okigbo, a poet of the generation of Wole Soyinka and Chinua Achebe was killed in 1967, a soldier, in the first months of the Biafran/Nigeria Civil War. Up to just prior to the War, I was a lecturer, and coordinator of the campus poetry group at the University of Nigeria, Nssuka, the intellectual seat of what became Biafra, as well as home to the opposition to the separaton. As part of the Conference, organized by Chukwuma Azuonye - a former student and research fellow at Harvard's Du Bois Institute - I was invited to participate and read in a reunion of my former students, colleagues and contemporary younger poets. Let alone my personal experience, in the reflective context of the diaspora of Nigerian writers and intellectuals, the whole event was quite incredible. Excerpt: ....The Conference, its historical moment, reconnected many of currents that produced the initial war - the drive toward Biafra’s succession, and the forces of reconciliation. Soyinka, a Yoruba, though he was imprisoned by both sides - and a ferverent opponent of military rule, tirelessly worked for a Federalist form of reconciliation, inclusive of the Ibo, and inclusive of the minority tribes within Biafra, many of whom opposed the war. Achebe, an Ibo, and Biafran supporter, despaired of any rapprochement. Both writers were school mates and close friends of Okigbo. To have Achebe and Soyinka seated together on a public panel, reflecting on the life, work and decisions of the poet to support Biafra felt like a monumental moment, practically heart breaking in its emotional intensity. You could have cut the air with a knife... Stephen Vincent http://stephenvincent.net/blog/ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:30:17 -0700 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: charles alexander Subject: CUSHING POETRY: Carter & Spaulding Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please come, and spread the word! Also, contrary=20 to one prior announcement, the correct date is Tuesday, October 9. POG & CHAX PRESS & THE CUSHING STREET BAR & RESTAURANT present A POETRY READING: JOHN SPAULDING & JEFFERSON CARTER Tuesday, October 9, 8pm Cushing St. Bar & Restaurant 198 W. Cushing St. (1 block east of Main, just=20 south of the Tucson Convention Center) part of an ongoing "second Tuesday of the month" series John Spaulding has published three poetry titles,=20 including Walking In Stone (Wesleyan Poetry=20 Series) and The Roses of Starvation (Riverstone),=20 and his work has appeared in the Atlantic=20 Monthly, Prairie Schooner, Poetry, The Iowa=20 Review, APR, The Canadian Forum and many more=20 journals. His most recent book, The White Train=20 (Lousiana State Univ. Press), was a National=20 Poetry Series winner in 2003. He earned a=20 master's in creative writing from Boston University. =93The White Train takes a scintillating journey=20 from scene to finely wrought scene. John=20 Spaulding has an instinct for the telling detail=20 as he looks into photographs, and even when=20 addressing events of a past century he writes=20 with an emotional edge relevant in our own time.=20 With each sure flourish of visual imagery, he=20 presents his subjects compassionately,=20 translating their circumstances into language=20 that is luminous and as pleasing to the senses as=20 it is sobering to our notions of everyday history.=94=ADDavid Chorlton Jefferson Carter directs the Writing and=20 Literature Program, and teaches developmental=20 composition and poetry writing at Pima Community=20 College, Downtown Campus. His seven books of=20 poetry include Litter Box (Spork Press) and, most=20 recently, Sentimental Blue (Chax Press).He has=20 lived in Tucson, Arizona, since 1954. He has won=20 a Tucson/Pima Arts Council Literary Arts=20 Fellowship, and his poems have appeared in such=20 journals and e-zines as Carolina Quarterly,=20 CrossConnect, 2River View, and Barrow=20 Street. His chapbook Tough Love won the Riverstone Poetry Press Award. A CLOCK FROM ANOTHER TIME There is a sense in which we come to feel at home in the world, in our bodies, in our lives. This never happened to me. As each year of my life passes I feel more and more of an alien, more and more the unlikely choice. Alone here, inside my body, I continue to watch and wonder, as the distance grows between the world and me, like a clock from another time. As a child watches other children to learn how to behave, so I watch other people from my window, their perfect bodies, their beautiful hair, their lives unfolding like flowers. I cover my mouth when I speak. Keep my eyes on the ground when I walk as though a quick line were drawn around all my faults. Who would want such painful shyness? Embarrassed by my own life, I have invented a new normality, a standard of one in a world you never see, where silence is king and I am queen. For who could think of anything to say when there is everything to say, and who would want to say anything at all when to say everything is not enough. Look for me there, ask for me in that world, where everyone is welcome, on the other side of shyness. by John Spaulding, published in The White Train:=20 Poems by John Spaulding. Copyright =A9 2004 by John=20 Spaulding. All rights reserved. THE MUMMY Wrapped in my blue & white striped 100% Egyptian cotton bed sheet I skulk in the vestibule. What a word=96 ves.ti.bule, the last syllable like breathing on a mirror. I overheard two girls laughing about their teacher arrested taking out the garbage in his underwear. I say more power to him. I=92ll say to those girls the night I catch them, have a little mercy. Mercy, a word that sounds like someone swallowing flowers. by Jefferson Carter, published in Sentimental=20 Blue. Copyright =A92007 by Jefferson Carter. All rights reserved. charles alexander / chax press fold the book inside the book keep it open always read from the inside out speak then Chax Press 520-620-1626 (studio) 520-275-4330 (cell) chax@theriver.com chax.org 650 E. 9th St. Tucson, AZ 85705 =20 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:15:53 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Brent Saner Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <858836.28127.qm@web52405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Chris- i'm interested in seeing the citation of that study, if you don't mind. i find that people in general are more unhappy, it seems (granted, i'm only 22 years old so take that with a grain of salt). it seems there has been a lot of degeneration of culture in general, but i'm not entirely sure if it can be linked to solely one event/movement. as for the sexist pop song, i've always considered ABBA's "Dancing Queen" particularly exploitative and sexist. it seems to portray this "the perfect female is 16, can dance, etc." image. and then on the other hand, i actually find most pop songs today (i.e. Britney Spears) sexist as well- it's as if female artists have tried so hard to come from this submissive position that they overcompensate and essentially make THEMSELVES out to be little more than sex machines. On 9/30/07, steve russell wrote: > > She put a spell on me. According to the data, I'm the most miserable man > in America. > > Chris Stroffolino wrote: Tracey---thanks for > bringing that up. I definitely see your point, > and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this issue, > but I would like to propose another interpretation to that message. > If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in general > are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly > debatable, > but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible that > American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, > and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a divisive > gender issue, > but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that > occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) > have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head in > the 55-75 era. > Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find rings > true) that makes that claim. > It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when > feminism (as well as integration, etc) > seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. > All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be read > in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. > Curious what you and others think > > Chris > > On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > > > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have > > crossed my > > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I > > want to > > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > > morning. Some > > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, > > which is > > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > > something like > > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > > consider: > > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > > husbands.... > > Yuck! > > > > Cheers, > > Tracey > > > > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > >> > >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the > >> clock > >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an > >> anthem for > >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest > >> thus....of > >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your > >> Man," > >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a > >> man..." as a > >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever > >> will be > >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > >> ___ > >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > >> Mail! - > >> http://mail.aol.com > >> > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > -- Brent Saner 215.264.0112(cell) 215.362.7696(residence) http://www.thenotebookarmy.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:39:32 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Ryan Daley Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070930143515.068e3560@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline How about songs that don't predate the sexual revolution? Like this gentle lyric from Ol' Dirty Bastard (ODB): "You walk around, your bra's too tight. It's alright. You're still getting fucking tonight." On 9/30/07, Mark Weiss wrote: > My Heart Belongs to Daddy. > > The Leader of the Pack. > > How Much Is that Doggie in the Window. > > Though it's probably a good idea to remember that feminism is an ism, > female is a gender. > > But oh well. "Soldier Soldier Will You Marry Me" and the hundreds of > songs with the same punchline. > > Lord Randall. > Barbry Allen. > > At 11:52 AM 9/30/2007, you wrote: > >She put a spell on me. According to the data, I'm the most miserable > >man in America. > > > >Chris Stroffolino wrote: Tracey---thanks > >for bringing that up. I definitely see your point, > >and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this issue, > >but I would like to propose another interpretation to that message. > >If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in general > >are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly > >debatable, > >but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible that > >American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, > >and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a divisive > >gender issue, > >but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that > >occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) > >have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head in > >the 55-75 era. > >Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find rings > >true) that makes that claim. > >It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when > >feminism (as well as integration, etc) > >seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. > >All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be read > >in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. > >Curious what you and others think > > > >Chris > > > >On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > > > > > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that have > > > crossed my > > > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", I > > > want to > > > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > > > morning. Some > > > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than women, > > > which is > > > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > > > something like > > > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > > > consider: > > > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The message I > > > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > > > husbands.... > > > Yuck! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tracey > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > >> > > >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find the most > > >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set the > > >> clock > > >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for Sheena > > >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be an > > >> anthem for > > >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest > > >> thus....of > > >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By Your > > >> Man," > > >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a > > >> man..." as a > > >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > > >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or whatever > > >> will be > > >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > > >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > > >> _____________________________________________________________________ > > >> ___ > > >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL > > >> Mail! - > > >> http://mail.aol.com > > >> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Building a website is a piece of cake. > >Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:03:46 -0500 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: David-Baptiste Chirot Subject: Re: Sheena Easton In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dennis Hopper and I were first hatching the idea of making a film of Dante'= s Inferno--to be shot in the Val d'Enfer in Provence--sitting in a bar behi= nd Fenway park in the early spring-- when a Sheena Easton video cameo on the tv--Dennis wanted to know who she w= as right away-- i told him and he said-- said--wel that will be our Beatrice!-- if you think she has enough cheekbones-- i said with makeup it seemed she had probably enough from the camera angles= -- in the video--made them more prominent with the way it was lit-- (no memory at all of the song--we weren't paying attention to it anyway--) thus begin the saga of composing the script-- randomness is often the "key to it all"-- a face glimpsed someplace --on a screen in the 24/7 twilight of a sports ba= r-- between Punk Rock clubs of Kenmore Square and the backside of Fenway park-- becomes Beatrice-- seen through eyes of cocaine and vodka--and coke and speed and pepsi--- yes, I think with the right cheekbones, sure, yeah--Beatrice!! "and went down down down into a burning ring of fire . . . " > Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:57:23 -0400 > From: Bewitjanus@AOL.COM > Subject: Sheena Easton > To: POETICS@LISTSERV.BUFFALO.EDU >=20 > Sheena Easton is almost a paradigm of the eighties pop courtesan with son= gs =20 > like "Morning Train," "For Your Eyes Only" and who can forget the lyrical= ly =20 > oh-so-subtle "Sugar Walls," I believe penned by Prince. But lest you conf= use=20 > her with a singing pleasure model replicant, she got all "tough" on=20 > "Strut"...."come on baby what you TAKING ME FOR?" Pop is too funny.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.c= om _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Space= s. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=3Dcreate&wx_url=3D/friends.= aspx&mkt=3Den-us= ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:46:11 -0400 Reply-To: UB Poetics discussion group Sender: UB Poetics discussion group From: Marcus Bales Subject: Re: Which pop song most sets feminism back? In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20070930143515.068e3560@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Rolling Stones: Under My Thumb On 30 Sep 2007 at 14:45, Mark Weiss wrote: > My Heart Belongs to Daddy. > > The Leader of the Pack. > > How Much Is that Doggie in the Window. > > Though it's probably a good idea to remember that feminism is an > ism, > female is a gender. > > But oh well. "Soldier Soldier Will You Marry Me" and the hundreds of > songs with the same punchline. > > Lord Randall. > Barbry Allen. > > At 11:52 AM 9/30/2007, you wrote: > >She put a spell on me. According to the data, I'm the most > miserable > >man in America. > > > >Chris Stroffolino wrote: Tracey---thanks > >for bringing that up. I definitely see your point, > >and as a male I may not be the most qualified to weigh in on this > issue, > >but I would like to propose another interpretation to that > message. > >If it's true, that statistics can show that American women in > general > >are less happy now than they were in the 70s (which is certainly > >debatable, > >but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand), it's also possible > that > >American males are less happy now than they were in the 70s, > >and in the sense the message can be interpreted less as a > divisive > >gender issue, > >but more as an issue that many of the other cultural changes that > >occurred since then (27 years of a Reagan revolution, etc) > >have trumped the hard-won liberation struggles that came to a head > in > >the 55-75 era. > >Somewhere I have a citation for a study (which I tend to find > rings > >true) that makes that claim. > >It's interesting they say the seventies, being that that was when > >feminism (as well as integration, etc) > >seemed to be most embraced by pop-culture. > >All I'm saying is I don't think that study necessarily has to be > read > >in a way that supports a backlash against feminism. > >Curious what you and others think > > > >Chris > > > >On Sep 28, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Tracey Gagne wrote: > > > > > As I think on this one, because there have been songs that > have > > > crossed my > > > path where I've said, "Ooh! Yikes! Don't like that message!", > I > > > want to > > > mention what I heard on the radio on my way into work this > > > morning. Some > > > research discovered that men, on the whole, are happier than > women, > > > which is > > > the opposite of when this was last done in the seventies or > > > something like > > > that. One of the radio personalities gave us all the idea to > > > consider: > > > "Have women's lib and equality made women less happy?" The > message I > > > heard-- women were happier when they were subservient to their > > > husbands.... > > > Yuck! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Tracey > > > > > > > > > On 9/28/07, W.B. Keckler wrote: > > >> > > >> Was just trying to compile a list of songs which people find > the most > > >> offensive vis-a-vis women and those which are perceived to set > the > > >> clock > > >> back the furthest on feminism/equality?? My first vote is for > Sheena > > >> Easton's "(My Baby Takes)The Morning Train," which seems to be > an > > >> anthem for > > >> those who feel women are parasitic sex bunnies and happiest > > >> thus....of > > >> course there are the so-called obvious songs like "Stand By > Your > > >> Man," > > >> although I always focused on the line "After all, he's just a > > >> man..." as a > > >> very funny condescending line...any suggestions? send to > > >> Bewitjanus@aol.com and the final top ten or twenty or > whatever > > >> will be > > >> blog-logged at Joe Brainard's Pyjamas (www. > > >> joebrainardspyjamas.blogspot.com)?...merci. Bill > > >> > ____________________________________________________________________ > _ > > >> ___ > > >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free > AOL > > >> Mail! - > > >> http://mail.aol.com > > >> > > > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Building a website is a piece of cake. > >Yahoo! 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